[12:40] <davubuntu> stdin: that's all it was... !?!?!? I hate being stupid sometimes. :)
[12:40] <vip3rousmango> Anyone know how to set a wallpaper to the x11 root window display?? I need it there so Conky can use it to go "transparent"??
[12:41] <davubuntu> stdin: Cheers
[12:41] <stdin> davubuntu: np :)
[12:42] <Tm_T> vip3rousmango: er?
[12:42] <knopnet> vip3rousmango: right click on desktop, select configure desktop
[12:42] <Tm_T> knopnet: that doesnt control root window
[12:42] <Tm_T> knopnet: only kdesktop
[12:43] <Tm_T> vip3rousmango: I use conky, without root window wallpaper
[12:43] <Cequine> someone please tell me the cmd to unlock adept database?
[12:43] <Tm_T> !adeptcrashfix | Cequine
[12:43] <ubotu> Cequine: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[12:43] <knopnet> xset ?
[12:44] <Tm_T> xset eset etc, but that doesnt make sense
[12:44] <vip3rousmango> Tm_T: well it goes black while it runs yet my background is like a grey..
[12:44] <Tm_T> vip3rousmango: huge image, sorry about that, but look the upper right corner http://www.tm-travolta.net/shots/current.png
[12:44] <mefisto__> trying to get compizfusion working, I followed this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion but can't get it to run. Is that page out of date?
[12:44] <knopnet> xsetroot ?
[12:45] <Tm_T> !compiz | mefisto__
[12:45] <ubotu> mefisto__: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:45] <vip3rousmango> oh my god that image is massive.. its almost done
[12:46] <vip3rousmango> duel screen?
[12:46] <Tm_T> vip3rousmango: and still I have blank (black) xroot
[12:46] <Tm_T> vip3rousmango: yes, currently
[12:49] <drif> anyone got slimserver running on feisty?
[12:49] <Tm_T> vip3rousmango: so, I'd say configure your conky instead ;)
[12:49] <Tm_T> drif: doing some poll?
[12:49] <drif> Tm_T: not really, more like trying to troubleshoot my installation process
[12:50] <Cequine> thank you
[12:50] <Tm_T> drif: then spit out your problem ;)
[12:51] <drif> Tm_T: probs with some packages - and remedy mentioned on slimdevice's site (temporarely changing sources.list to edgy) doesn't work
[12:51] <Tm_T> drif: what problems
[12:52] <Tm_T> if you need help, you have to tell your problem
[12:52] <drif> E: Failed to fetch http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/libc/libclass-data-accessor-perl/libclass-data-accessor-perl_0.03-1_all.deb: Size mismatch
[12:53] <Tm_T> my hot tip: dont use fi mirror now
[12:53] <Tm_T> drif: -fi ->
[12:54] <hydrogen> ~tm_t
[01:02] <george_> anyone know how to get the flashplayer file into the .so format so nspluginwrapper will recognize it?
[01:02] <ScorpKing> nite everyone!
[01:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> george_: i assume you're running 64-bit
[01:07] <george_> yes
[01:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> the flashplayer is a .so
[01:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> what do you have, a tar.gz?
[01:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> install it normally (which will extract the .so to the proper directory) is the best idea i can come up with
[01:12] <sutija> hi to alll :)
[01:12] <Biovore> Daisuke_Laptop: stuff it in .mozilla/plugins  (I think)
[01:12] <sutija> all
[01:12] <sutija> ubuntu rulz :)
[01:13] <sutija> could someone help me with ati card
[01:13] <sutija> i have a problem with 3d desktop
[01:13] <Tm_T> !ati | sutija
[01:13] <ubotu> sutija: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:13] <mefisto__> is it normal for your heart to race and palms get sweaty when fsck finds errors on boot and asks if you want to fix them? or is it just me?
[01:14] <sutija> thnx
[01:18] <george_> what is the command line copy command?
[01:19] <Biovore> cp
[01:20] <Biovore> george_: http://rute.2038bug.com/rute.html.gz <-- good starting book for linux.. all online
[01:20] <george_> or is there a way to change to root user so that I can copy a file in Konqueror
[01:20] <sutija> damn
[01:20] <sutija> it's not working
[01:20] <Biovore> george_: sudo
[01:21] <mefisto__> how do I stop compiz?
[01:21] <Biovore> sudo -s or sudo -i will give you a root shell
[01:25] <BluesKaj> what's the configure setting for preventing CTCP notifications in the channel ?
[01:27] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: in what app?
[01:27] <Dragnslcr> mefisto__- usually by starting kwin again
[01:27] <Dragnslcr> mefisto__- kwin --replace should do it
[01:27] <BluesKaj> Tm_T, konversation
[01:27] <mefisto__> Dragnslcr: thanks. worked it out already
[01:29] <mefisto__> is the number of faces in the compiz cube == the number of kde desktops? or is it a compiz setting?
[01:30] <feierfox> we kubunterors are second class *buntureros! >:O
[01:30] <hand``> :D
[01:32] <Dragnslcr> mefisto__- it's a compiz setting
[01:32] <feierfox> and my dolphin is always crashing if i closing hin :(
[01:33] <feierfox> he say that he can write in the KDE dir
[01:33] <feierfox> mybe my HD is full
[01:33] <feierfox> but that isn't true
[01:33] <feierfox> just excuses! >:|
[01:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> in what kde directory?
[01:36] <feierfox> wait... i will close dolphin
[01:37] <feierfox> Saving of the Bookmarks in /home/ubuntu/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml not possible. Error: Permission denied.
[01:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> your username is ubuntu?
[01:37] <feierfox> ;|
[01:38] <feierfox> it is
[01:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> and you aren't on the livecd?
[01:39] <feierfox> no i'm with ubuntu since dapper
[01:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> and you're apparently using an identd of some sort, otherwise your current username would show in your whois
[01:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> (it shows feierfox)
[01:40] <feierfox> no, i use X chat
[01:40] <feierfox> what is wrong with my whois
[01:40] <coreymon77> nothing
[01:40] <JohnFlux_> ls
[01:40] <JohnFlux_> Segmentation fault
[01:40] <JohnFlux_> poor me
[01:40] <feierfox> feierfox is a word-joke in german
[01:41] <feierfox> it sounds like firefox, but feier means party
[01:41] <feierfox> so it means "partyfox" but it is spoken as firefox
[01:41] <feierfox> and it looks like firefox
[01:41] <feierfox> :/
[01:41] <Daisuke_Laptop> nah, there's nothing wrong with it
[01:42] <Tm_T> feierfox: sounds like you have broken filerights in your homedir
[01:42] <feierfox> that could be
[01:42] <feierfox> becaus since dapper i tried all and everything
[01:42] <feierfox> without any knowledge!
[01:42] <Daisuke_Laptop> just saying if you're under a user account called "feierfox", your home directory would be /home/feierfox rather than /home/ubuntu
[01:42] <feierfox> no, ubuntu ist my account
[01:43] <Tm_T> feierfox: have you ever run dolphin with sudo?
[01:43] <feierfox> good idea :O
[01:43] <Tm_T> feierfox: no, not a good idea
[01:43] <Tm_T> feierfox: baad
[01:43] <feierfox> wohooo!
[01:43] <feierfox> it works
[01:43] <sutija> khm...
[01:43] <sutija> :)
[01:44] <Tm_T> feierfox: dont do it
[01:44] <sutija> litle stupid question
[01:44] <sutija> :)
[01:44] <feierfox> but
[01:44] <Tm_T> feierfox: that prolly is the reason why filerights are borked
[01:44] <sutija> i was editing xorg.conf
[01:44] <feierfox> i want use dolphin as file-manager
[01:45] <Tm_T> feierfox: yes, but dont use sudo with it
[01:45] <feierfox> so how to give dolphin the special-right?
[01:45] <sutija> how to restart gdm or else to use new xorg.conf?
[01:45] <Tm_T> feierfox: kdesu
[01:45] <feierfox> kdesu?
[01:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> sutija: the proper way is sudo /etd/init.d/gdm restart
[01:45] <Tm_T> !kdesu | feierfox
[01:45] <ubotu> feierfox: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[01:45] <Daisuke_Laptop> oooooops
[01:46] <Daisuke_Laptop> that should be /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[01:46] <feierfox> hhhmmm...
[01:46] <feierfox> or i wait for a stable gutsy
[01:46] <Tm_T> feierfox: er?
[01:46] <Tm_T> feierfox: this has nothing to do with gutsy
[01:46] <feierfox> :(
[01:46] <Tm_T> feierfox: how about just fix those filerights now?
[01:47] <feierfox> but dolphin is the standard file-manager in gutsy
[01:47] <feierfox> and dolphin came with gutsy
[01:47] <feierfox> so it's a gutsy thing
[01:47] <Tm_T> no its not
[01:47] <feierfox> if you could help me to fix, i will try my best :/
[01:48] <Tm_T> feierfox: run this in Konsole: "sudo chown ubuntu:ubuntu -r /home/ubuntu/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/ "
[01:48] <sutija> daisuke: let's see what we have :)
[01:49] <sutija> :(
[01:49] <feierfox> "invalied option"
[01:49] <Tm_T> feierfox: what is?
[01:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> hmm?
[01:50] <sutija> desktop effects doesn't want to work on my ubuntu :(
[01:50] <mefisto__> should that be /dolphin/ ?
[01:50] <Tm_T> mefisto__: no
[01:50] <feierfox> sorry
[01:50] <Tm_T> feierfox: aah, not -r but -R
[01:50] <feierfox> :D
[01:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> sutija: try #ubuntu-effects
[01:50] <Tm_T> feierfox: my mistake
[01:53] <feierfox> hmmm
[01:53] <Tm_T> feierfox: works?
[01:54] <feierfox> chown: invalid option -- r
[01:54] <Tm_T> feierfox: yes, use R
[01:54] <Tm_T> 0250 < Tm_T> feierfox: aah, not -r but -R
[01:54] <feierfox> no such file or directory
[01:54] <feierfox> :(
[01:55] <george_> everytime I tri to move a file from one directory to another is tell me access is denied
[01:55] <Tm_T> feierfox: give me full error thank you
[01:55] <feierfox> chown: Zugriff auf ubuntu nicht mglich: No such file or directory
[01:56] <feierfox> zugriff (access)
[01:56] <Tm_T> err
[01:56] <feierfox> (nicht mglich) not possible
[01:56] <feierfox> or not able
[01:56] <Chousuke> so access denied
[01:56] <Tm_T> feierfox: ls -al /home/ returns what? pastebin it
[01:56] <Chousuke> it says the reason there quite plainly :P
[01:57] <console_jockey> it looks as though setting up ubuntu via gnome for remote desktop access is pretty easy, but I can't seem to locate the equivelent setup for kubutnu.  Anyone have know how to do this or have a link to help?
[01:57] <Tm_T> Chousuke: yes it does
[01:57] <feierfox>   1 root   root      44 2007-03-24 18:38 .directory -> /etc/kubuntu-default-settings/directory-home
[01:57] <feierfox> drwxr-xr-x 165 ubuntu ubuntu 12288 2007-09-25 22:40 ubuntu
[01:57] <feierfox> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[01:57] <zeicron> Hello
[01:58] <JimmyDee_> sudo chown?
[01:58] <Chousuke> sudo doesn't help if the file doesn't exist
[01:58] <Chousuke> :P
[01:58] <JimmyDee_> point
[01:58] <zeicron> Hey, could someone please help me out for a second?
[01:58] <Chousuke> but yes, chown needs sudo.
[01:58] <feierfox> i'm with ubuntu since dapper
[01:58] <JimmyDee_> forgive me I came in in the middle
[01:58] <zeicron> It won't take more than a few minutes.
[01:58] <feierfox> and changed to KDE with Feisty
[01:58] <Chousuke> zeicron: just ask
[01:58] <feierfox> never did a reinstall
[01:58] <JimmyDee_> whatcha need zeicron?
[01:58] <Tm_T> feierfox: now find out what file is missing
[01:59] <feierfox> now i think about a fresh installation with the final gutsy
[01:59] <zeicron> I just switched to Kubuntu. I've been meaning to switch to Linux for a long time now. Now that I've done that, I'm pretty lost. Could someone please tell me how to install .run files?
[01:59] <Tm_T> zeicron: what you're installing?
[01:59] <JimmyDee_> sudo chmod +x blahblah.run
[01:59] <JimmyDee_> sudo ./blahblah.run
[02:00] <feierfox> but i can past my whole source-list :D
[02:00] <Tm_T> zeicron: usually you install them by running them
[02:00] <zeicron> I'm installing ATI drivers for my x1950 pro.
[02:00] <Tm_T> JimmyDee_: nooooooo
[02:00] <JimmyDee_> or am I on crack?
[02:00] <zeicron> Running the file just opens up a text-like document.
[02:00] <Tm_T> zeicron: yes
[02:00] <feierfox> hey!
[02:00] <JimmyDee_> <-- is wrong
[02:00] <feierfox> the solution would be...
[02:00] <Tm_T> feierfox: yes?
[02:00] <feierfox> sudo apt-get remove dolphin
[02:00] <feierfox> and use konqui
[02:01] <feierfox> :] 
[02:01] <Tm_T> err
[02:01] <zeicron> err
[02:01] <JimmyDee_> sudo apt-get remove JimmyDee
[02:01] <zeicron> No idea what you just said.
[02:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> oi
[02:01] <Tm_T> zeicron: he has his own problems ;)
[02:01] <feierfox> what does err means?
[02:01] <feierfox> please show me the smilie to "err" :] 
[02:01] <Tm_T> feierfox: nothing
[02:01] <zeicron> Well, when I run the file, I get a message that says "The file file:///home/zeicron/ati.run is a binary, saving it will result in a corrupt file."
[02:01] <feierfox> argh?
[02:02] <zeicron> The smilie to err would look something like =\
[02:02] <Tm_T> zeicron: yes, open konsole and run it "sudo sh /path/to/file.run" where you fill the path and file to match yours
[02:03] <zeicron> Open console by pressing... ~? :)
[02:03] <zeicron> Nvm, got it
[02:03] <Tm_T> haha
[02:04] <zeicron> Thanks man.
[02:04] <Tm_T> zeicron: also
[02:04] <zeicron> So what exactly do "Sudo" and "sh" do
[02:04] <Tm_T> !ati | zeicron
[02:04] <ubotu> zeicron: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:04] <zeicron> Neat.
[02:04] <feierfox> anyone experience in running Explorer under Wine?
[02:04] <ardchoille> !sudo | zeicron
[02:04] <ubotu> zeicron: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[02:04] <zeicron> Wow.
[02:05] <ardchoille> zeicron: That is why we don't enable the root account
[02:05] <Tm_T> zeicron: and sh means "run following file whatever it is executable or not"
[02:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> feierfox: why in god's name would you want to?
[02:05] <feierfox> :] 
[02:05] <ardchoille> Daisuke_Laptop: lol
[02:06] <feierfox> oh
[02:06] <feierfox> time for
[02:06] <feierfox> checking new updates!
[02:06] <zeicron> Alright, I've got it installed. Shall I reboot?
[02:06] <`Telroth> After updating my machine, the sata drive (/dev/sda, 250GB) reads at extremely slow speeds and the console spits out http://pastebin.com/f470e3602 over and over again. Any help?
[02:07] <feierfox> reboot and defrag!
[02:07] <Tm_T> zeicron: prolly so
[02:07] <zeicron> Thanks. I really appreciate the help.
[02:07] <`Telroth> feierfox, ext3 doesn't defrag, and the drive reads fine in windows
[02:08] <feierfox> just kidding :/
[02:08] <wesley> does some knows how its possible that i dont see the video of my timeline in Kdenlive?
[02:08] <`Telroth> slow asin taking 10 minutes to get from usplash to load the login bg (not even login text, just bg)
[02:08] <zeicron> Aww, Ctrl+alt+del does not bring up task manager :(
[02:08] <`Telroth> zeicron, you can make it do that
[02:08] <zeicron> Really? How's that?
[02:09] <`Telroth> open up the hotkey manager, unbind it from logout, bind it to show the task list :P
[02:09] <zeicron> Neat. Thanks
[02:09] <`Telroth> i'm in windows right now due to the sata problem i posted earlier, so i can't give you specifics
[02:09] <`Telroth> yw
[02:09] <`Telroth> :)
[02:10] <zeicron> Hmm.
[02:10] <wesley> does someone know about that problem in kdenlive?
[02:10] <zeicron> My Monitor & Display settings would not allow me to increase my resolution above 1280x1024.
[02:11] <zeicron> !ati | zeicron
[02:11] <zeicron> :(
[02:11] <feierfox> what do you think...
[02:12] <feierfox> will KDE4,x be in kubuntu8.04?
[02:12] <`Telroth> After updating my machine, the sata drive (/dev/sda, 250GB) reads at extremely slow speeds and the console spits out http://pastebin.com/f470e3602 over and over again. Any help?
[02:12] <zeicron> Be right back.
[02:13] <hydrogen> feierfox: I'd be surprised if it was the default desktop
[02:13] <feierfox> yes... as LTS
[02:13] <feierfox> :/
[02:14] <iago> hola
[02:14] <feierfox> lol
[02:14] <feierfox> yeah!!!!!
[02:14] <feierfox> yeah!!!!!
[02:14] <feierfox> yeah!!!!!
[02:14] <feierfox> :D
[02:14] <iago> como se instalan programas enn linux?
[02:14] <iago> how doo you insttall programs in linux
[02:15] <feierfox> i solved my problem
[02:15] <hungrysam> cual tipo de programas?
[02:15] <hydrogen> english!
[02:15] <feierfox> by just setting the writing-rights in den bookmarks.xml
[02:15] <hydrogen> !es
[02:15] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:15] <iago> en general
[02:15] <zeicron> Grats feierfox!
[02:15] <iago> es que no sse nada de liiinux
[02:15] <feierfox> just a right-click.. a klick in the tab and set two settings
[02:15] <feierfox> :D
[02:15] <feierfox> no endless console-lines
[02:16] <`Telroth> iago, alt+f2, "kdesu adept-installer", select the program, click install
[02:16] <hungrysam> #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es
[02:16] <feierfox> but thank you all for trying to help me!! :O
[02:16] <feierfox> whoohoo!
[02:16] <zeicron> I don't think kubuntu recognizes my graphics card.
[02:16] <feierfox> \o/
[02:16] <Tm_T> feierfox: no, KDE4 wont be in 8.04 as default
[02:16] <zeicron> it gives me a 1280x1024 max resolution
[02:16] <zeicron> While my monitor's native resolution is 1680x1050
[02:17] <Tm_T> !resolution
[02:17] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:17] <Eeyore-Jr> what would cause a kerel panic from boot on the live cd?
[02:18] <hungrysam> iago:  hablamos en #kubuntu-es
[02:18] <newbi1> xp giving me a headake
[02:19] <newsense07> lol
[02:19] <newsense07> right
[02:19] <`Telroth> After updating my machine, the sata drive (/dev/sda, 250GB) reads at extremely slow speeds and the console spits out http://pastebin.com/f470e3602 over and over again. Any help?
[02:20] <quixogre> telroth, what did you update?
[02:20] <feierfox> lol http://de.rofl.to/abschlussfeier-clip-mix
[02:20] <zeicron> Err.
[02:20] <zeicron> That just restarted my PC
[02:20] <`Telroth> quixogre, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:20] <`Telroth> so, in all honesty, no *real* clue
[02:21] <`Telroth> kernel didn't update though
[02:21] <zeicron> !resolution
[02:21] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:21] <BluesKaj> zeicron, in the terminal to check your video card , lspci | grep video
[02:21] <`Telroth> i quit waiting for it to show the password prompt on the console login after 5 minutes though
[02:21] <zeicron> With the |'s?
[02:22] <quixogre> telrot not running out of room on the drive?
[02:22] <Biovore> pipes?
[02:22] <BluesKaj> yup
[02:22] <`Telroth> 2gb free
[02:22] <zeicron> bash: syntax error near unexpected toekn `|'
[02:22] <BluesKaj> just copy and paste the text into the terminal
[02:22] <mneptok> `Telroth: did you dist-upgrade?
[02:23] <`Telroth> mneptok, no, just upgrade
[02:23] <zeicron> Okay
[02:23] <zeicron> I did
[02:23] <zeicron> Nothing happened
[02:23] <mneptok> `Telroth: do a dist-upgrade
[02:23] <zeicron> Just gave me a new line to write on
[02:23] <`Telroth> mneptok, i can't get into the system
[02:23] <mneptok> `Telroth: there may be modules you need
[02:23] <mneptok> `Telroth: boot to an older kernel.
[02:23] <quixogre> only 2gb free on a 250 gb drive? hehe thats a lotta files
[02:24] <`Telroth> mneptok, i'm booting an older kernel
[02:24] <`Telroth> i'll go try an even older one
[02:24] <BluesKaj> ok zeicron try just lspci .. then check for your videocard
[02:24] <`Telroth> bbiab
[02:24] <`Telroth> quixogre, yeah my two 80's are already full
[02:24] <zeicron> Doesn't :(
[02:24] <zeicron> VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 7280
[02:24] <zeicron> 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Unknown device 72a0
[02:25] <zeicron> But I've installed catalyst control center.
[02:25] <zeicron> Althought it refuses to open
[02:25] <BluesKaj> oh no, a 7000 series...very poor support for those
[02:25] <zeicron> It's not.
[02:25] <zeicron> It's a x1950 pro.
[02:26] <newbi1> Tm_T: i have a kubuntu cd that have the built in driver for my sound card.if i go on xp(witch i dont have sound)and do i search on the kubuntu cd will it take the drivers?
[02:26] <zeicron> =[
[02:27] <Tm_T> newbi1: why you ask from me? also, you try to install Linux drivers to Windows XP ?
[02:27] <newbi1> mmm no i just asking if it compatible
[02:27] <BluesKaj> zeicron, did yo install the 8.40.4 driver ?
[02:27] <zeicron> the what-what driver?
[02:28] <newbi1> because i cant find the right drivers for my sound card for xp
[02:28] <zeicron> 8.40.4 is what I installed, yes
[02:28] <Tm_T> newbi1: Linux driver in Windows?
[02:28] <quixogre> newbi you cant install linux drivers on XP
[02:28] <Tm_T> simply as that, you cant
[02:28] <newbi1> lol
[02:29] <quixogre> although you CAN install some windows drivers in xp
[02:29] <newbi1> this su***
[02:29] <BluesKaj> zeicon , does the fgl_glxgears test work ? ...a spning cube with spinning gears on each face ?
[02:29] <newbi1> quixogre: help me to find the right drivers for my motherboard
[02:29] <Strogol> some community of kubuntu in portuguese
[02:29] <zeicron> Don't
[02:30] <zeicron> Using GLX_SGIX_pbuffer
[02:30] <zeicron> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:30] <zeicron> X Error of failed request:  BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)
[02:30] <zeicron>   Major opcode of failed request:  142 (GLX)
[02:30] <zeicron>   Minor opcode of failed request:  5 (X_GLXMakeCurrent)
[02:30] <zeicron>   Serial number of failed request:  30
[02:30] <zeicron>   Current serial number in output stream:  30
[02:30] <quixogre> newbi, what kind of motherboard is it?
[02:30] <BluesKaj> !pt | Strogol
[02:30] <ubotu> Strogol: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[02:31] <newbi1> quixogre: i have no idea i run lspci on it with the cd live to see all im seing is ati's
[02:31] <Strogol> because I use kde
[02:31] <Eeyore-Jr> is there a way i can view the boot sequence and not the logo/progress bar?
[02:32] <mneptok> Eeyore-Jr: remove "quiet" and "splash" from the kernel boot parameters
[02:32] <quixogre> newbi, find the board make and model, then check their website for drivers
[02:32] <BluesKaj> zeicron, uninstall that driver and install the 8.41.7 here are the uninstall instructions : https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.40.4-inst.html
[02:32] <zeicron> But it only gives me 8.40.4 on the ATI site
[02:33] <quixogre> can someone tell me how to launch beryl?
[02:33] <BluesKaj> zeicon here is the driver you want http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeonhdd.html
[02:33] <zeicron> Thank you.
[02:34] <zeicron> "The AMD Proprietary Linux driver version 8.41 is recommended for the ATI Radeon HD 2000 family only"
[02:34] <BluesKaj> zeicron, all I did was choose the radeon HD 2900 , it works on my X200G :)
[02:35] <BluesKaj> don't beleive everything they tell you
[02:35] <zeicron> Alright
[02:35] <zeicron> Although I have no idea how to uninstall stuff :)
[02:36] <BluesKaj> zeicron, uninstall instructions are here : https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/linux_8.40.4-inst.html
[02:36] <quixogre> can someone tell me how to launch beryl?
[02:36] <mneptok> zeicron: do NOT install drivers from company websites
[02:36] <mneptok> zeicron: especially if you're new to Linux
[02:36] <mneptok> zeicron: use the package system. that's why it exists.
[02:37] <zeicron> Alright.
[02:37] <zeicron> So how do I navigate to a certain location in console? Is there like a "cd" type of command?
[02:37] <Daisuke_Laptop> so i now have a tv that supports vga-in
[02:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> and would like to use it as a second desktop
[02:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> i can get a picture at 1024x768
[02:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> but not 1280x768
[02:38] <mneptok> zeicron: yeah. it's "cd"
[02:38] <zeicron> Oh. Thanks
[02:38] <Daisuke_Laptop> the tv's native res is 1366x768, i wonder if putting that in the xorg.conf would make a difference
[02:39] <Daisuke_Laptop> because i would much rather stream video out here in the living room rather than have to watch it in the bedroom
[02:39] <BluesKaj> thx for the confidence boost mneptok , that really helps
[02:39] <BluesKaj> I'm here to walk him thru
[02:39] <purpleposeidon> fiesty fawn should come with a picture of a fiesty fawn!
[02:39] <george_> i am trying to move a file I downloaded into the /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins directory with konqueror and it says permission denied, how do I sudo in the GUI?
[02:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> you could always launch konqueror with kdesu
[02:40] <joscar_> i get this error message when i try to safely remove my external drive: Device to unmount is not in /media/.hal-mtab so it is not mounted by HAL. What do I do?
[02:40] <Daisuke_Laptop> but be careful
[02:40] <quixogre> george: cp *filename* /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins
[02:40] <newbi1> BluesKaj: how do i find out my motherboard model number?
[02:40] <george_> ok thank
[02:40] <zeicron> zeicron@zeicron-desktop:~$ cd /usr/share/ati folder
[02:40] <zeicron> zeicron@zeicron-desktop:/usr/share/ati$ sh ./fglrx-uninstall.sh
[02:40] <zeicron> [Warning]  Uninstall : must be run as root to execute this script
[02:40] <zeicron> zeicron@zeicron-desktop:/usr/share/ati$
[02:41] <NickPresta> zeicron, !pastebin and use `sudo`. See !sudo
[02:41] <lubos> what package is for amarok mp3 support on feisty ? thanks
[02:41] <quixogre> newbi, worst case, its printed on the motherboard. open the machine up and look
[02:41] <BluesKaj> zeicron , there's nothing wrong with the ati driver but if you're lacking in terminal skills then we're here to help
[02:41] <zeicron> !pastebin
[02:41] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:41] <newbi1> quixogre: i did but it got so manythings writ on it
[02:42] <BluesKaj> newb1 , lspci in the terminal
[02:42] <newbi1> BluesKaj: did it
[02:42] <quixogre> newbi, it'll be one of the larger lettered items on the board. usually towards one corner
[02:43] <newbi1> BluesKaj: witch line is for the motherboard?(its the drivers for the sound im looking for)
[02:43] <BluesKaj> newb1 , lspci | grep audio
[02:44] <quixogre> ubotu, i love you
[02:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i love you - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:44] <zeicron> I've installed the newer version, but it still says unknown device :(
[02:45] <BluesKaj> what says unknown device
[02:45] <quixogre> ubotu beryl
[02:45] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[02:47] <Telroth|Sleep> quixogre, mneptok, back. i'm having it run dist-upgrade
[02:48] <Telroth|Sleep> seems kernel is getting upgrade, though it's weird that 2 different kernels are having the same problem
[02:48] <Telroth|Sleep> i'll be back in about half an hour to let you know how things are going
[02:49] <newbi1> BluesKaj: sorry i went for a 2min break.it says ati tech* inc ixp sb400 ac'97 audio controller (rev 01)
[02:49] <zeicron> Urgh, it still doesn't recognize my card *tear*
[02:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> !xinerama
[02:49] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[02:50] <hydrogen> lubos: libxine-extracodecs
[02:51] <BluesKaj> zeicron, how do you know it doesn't recognize your card,  try 'glxgears ' in the terminal
[02:51] <Daisuke_Laptop> i *will* get this tv working as a second monitor
[02:51] <lubos> hydrogen: what repository... universe?
[02:51] <lubos> hydrogen: got it... thanks
[02:52] <zeicron> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:52] <zeicron> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[02:52] <zeicron> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[02:52] <BluesKaj> bummer
[02:53] <Tm_T> I'm not!
[02:53] <Tm_T> and hi BluesKaj :)
[02:54] <BluesKaj> zeicron, alt+F2 type this: kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[02:54] <BluesKaj> hi Tm_T
[02:55] <zeicron> 	Device		"Generic Video Card"
[02:55] <Tm_T> zeicron: what says driver line?
[02:56] <Tm_T> name of device is irrelevant
[02:56] <zeicron> No such line, I think
[02:56] <Tm_T> !pastebin
[02:56] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:56] <zeicron> Oh
[02:56] <zeicron> says
[02:56] <zeicron> vesa
[02:56] <BluesKaj> zeicron, look in the device section , beside driver type fglrx
[02:56] <zeicron> "vesa"
[02:56] <quixogre> telroth, wb is it running this time?
[02:57] <Telroth|Sleep> the system runs, but that's not the problem. it runs really, really slow
[02:57] <Telroth|Sleep> for example
[02:57] <Telroth|Sleep> at tty1 login
[02:57] <kloplop321> can someone help me with geting my computer to use my 2 mice as seperate cursors?
[02:57] <BluesKaj> zeicron, ?
[02:57] <zeicron> Type what?
[02:57] <Telroth|Sleep> i can type user, wait ~2min for "password:" to appear, wait 7 min for prompt
[02:58] <ironman> hello does every know where i can find more repositories and some repositories for 3rdparty software
[02:58] <BluesKaj> fglrx
[02:58] <Telroth|Sleep> type "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[02:58] <zeicron> And now just save it?
[02:58] <quixogre> telroth, this is happening even without xwindows?
[02:58] <BluesKaj> not yet
[02:58] <Telroth|Sleep> without xwindows
[02:58] <ironman> telroth was that  for me?
[02:58] <Telroth|Sleep> ironman, no
[02:58] <newbi1> mm*
[02:58] <ironman> oh ok
[02:58] <Telroth|Sleep> quixogre, and it spits out that error message i linked to earlier every 6 seconds or so
[02:59] <quixogre> try freeing some disk space...how big is swap space?
[02:59] <Telroth|Sleep> quixogre, no swap, 3gb of ram
[02:59] <xp_killer> :)
[02:59] <zeicron> Alright, what shall I do next?
[02:59] <quixogre> i'd recommend setting up at least 6 gb of swap space then....and with 3 gb of ram, shouldnt be running that slowly
[03:00] <Telroth|Sleep> i had no problems yesterday or this morning. When i got home, system wasn't running (power loss is most likely, i doubt anyone in my family was able to shut down the thing properly so i suspect it hardreset sometime today)
[03:00] <Telroth|Sleep> quixogre, the system runs fine for data it's loaded into ram. the problem is my sata drive (/) is reading very, very slowly
[03:01] <quixogre> have you tried swapping drives?
[03:01] <ironman> can someone help me get more repository list
[03:01] <Telroth|Sleep> quixogre, no, but all drives run fine in windows
[03:01] <quixogre> so the same drive, when running windows runs fine?
[03:01] <Telroth|Sleep> yes
[03:01] <wers> what is the package name of knetworkmanager?
[03:01] <zeicron> Is there anything else I should change?
[03:01] <Telroth|Sleep> well, windows runs from a different drive
[03:01] <wers> E: Couldn't find package knetworkmanger
[03:01] <BluesKaj> BBL , gotta go
[03:02] <Telroth|Sleep> but it can access the sata drive at full speed
[03:02] <zeicron> Have a good one.
[03:03] <xp_killer> wers: why do u want to install knet*?isnt it there allready?
[03:03] <wers> I want to remove it xp_killer
[03:03] <quixogre> telroth how many partitions on this sata drive?
[03:03] <xp_killer> wers: why?
[03:03] <xp_killer> quixogre: 5
[03:03] <xp_killer> hi
[03:04] <wers> It does not work with my hardware xp_killer
[03:04] <xp_killer> !botsnack
[03:04] <quixogre> thow big is boot partition?
[03:04] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[03:04] <xp_killer> goog bot
[03:04] <wers> also, the backend for that.. I forgot the name
[03:04] <Telroth|Sleep> quixogre, 3 (25gb - linux, 25gb - music, 200gb - data)
[03:05] <Telroth|Sleep> boot partition is grub installed to mbr
[03:05] <xp_killer> wers: so leave it there i find a nother one
[03:05] <Telroth|Sleep> mbr of sata drive
[03:05] <Telroth|Sleep> it seems to load fine
[03:07] <xp_killer> wers: if u want to uninstall knet* go in adept
[03:07] <Telroth|Sleep> quixogre, also, why 6gb of swap, i mean, i know the rule of swap = ram * 2, but what's the reasoning behind that? I don't sleep/hibernate the computer
[03:07] <quixogre> telroth, sorry man, no untu completely?clue what to tell ya. maybe try reinstalling ub
[03:08] <quixogre> telroth, same reason you have a page file in windows. it helps prevent the disk from thrashing
[03:08] <hydrogen> err
[03:08] <Telroth|Sleep> thrashing?
[03:08] <Telroth|Sleep> can you explain what that is?
[03:08] <hydrogen> 6gb is a hell of a lot of prevention
[03:08] <hydrogen> its wayy into the overkill zone
[03:08] <Telroth|Sleep> i thought pagefile/swap was for virtual memory
[03:09] <quixogre> thrashing = disk just keeps spinning and spinning
[03:09] <Telroth|Sleep> quixogre, how does storing more data on the drive prevent that?
[03:09] <hydrogen> obviously it makes it heavier
[03:09] <hydrogen> so it spins for less tie
[03:09] <hydrogen> me
[03:09] <hydrogen> don't you know anything about physics!
[03:10] <Telroth|Sleep> if i don't have swap, doesn't that reduce the read/writes compared to if i have swap and it's paging memory off onto it?
[03:10] <quixogre> and hydrogens probably right 6gb is a bit much hehe not used to dealing with single user systems...
[03:10] <xp_killer> Tm_T: **** ***
[03:10] <xp_killer> hiii
[03:10] <hydrogen> Tm_T--
[03:10] <xp_killer> !botsnack
[03:11] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[03:11] <xp_killer> goog bot :)
[03:11] <Tm_T> xp_killer: yes?
[03:11] <ironman> do i need to install a firewall and antivirus?
[03:11] <hydrogen> firewall: yes
[03:11] <Telroth|Sleep> quixogre, i guess what i'm saying is for two years i ran the system with 1gb of ram and 1gb swap, it never paged a kb onto the swap partition, and i don't see how increasing the ram to 3gb is going to make it more likely to decide to put something on swap
[03:11] <hydrogen> or you should
[03:11] <xp_killer> Tm_T: hydrogencall u not me
[03:11] <Tm_T> xp_killer: you did
[03:11] <ironman> so i can do without a anitvirus?
[03:11] <hydrogen> AV: not unless your paranoid or sharing with winddows
[03:11] <xp_killer> Tm_T: where is stdin?
[03:12] <quixogre> telroth if its worked, dont fix it...im going by textbook answer only
[03:12] <Telroth|Sleep> ironman, yes, i fyou know how to brows the internet properly and know your system well
[03:12] <Telroth|Sleep> quixogre, ok
[03:12] <xp_killer> ow
[03:12] <hydrogen> Telroth|Sleep: swap is kind of a precaution.. for desktop usage its not all that necessary usually if you have lots and lots of ram
[03:12] <ironman> ok whats a good firewall for kde
[03:12] <Telroth|Sleep> hydrogen, yes, that's what i thought
[03:12] <xp_killer> >_< i will neever forget that
[03:12] <Tm_T> !firewall | ironman
[03:12] <ubotu> ironman: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[03:12] <Telroth|Sleep> ironman, the computer firewalls itself
[03:12] <xp_killer> !violence
[03:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about violence - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:13] <Tm_T> xp_killer: stop bot abuse
[03:13] <xp_killer> why?
[03:13] <xp_killer> it doesnt kill it
[03:13] <hydrogen> it pains my eyes
[03:13] <hydrogen> L,ASERS
[03:14] <quixogre> remind me not to irk TM_T
[03:14] <Tm_T> quixogre: what?
[03:14] <hydrogen> just take away some karma and tm_t will be happy
[03:15] <quixogre> lol TM_T nothing. just kissing up to the dude with the boot
[03:16] <quixogre> telroth, explain your problem in chat, maybe someone will have an answer, cus im stumped(not hard to do)
[03:18] <hydrogen> I think your doin something crazy when you deop yourself tm_t
[03:18] <hydrogen> because you always take operator priveges from me when you do so (or at least thats what konvi thinks)
[03:18] <Tm_T> hydrogen: what makes you think so?
[03:18] <hydrogen> [21:16]  *** Tm_T takes channel operator privileges from Tm_T.
[03:18] <hydrogen> [21:16]  *** Tm_T takes channel operator privileges from you.
[03:18] <Tm_T> hydrogen: I always take it from you or some one else, yes, as a joke
[03:19] <hydrogen> oh
[03:19] <hydrogen> fine
[03:19] <hydrogen> if you want to try and be funny
[03:19] <hydrogen> I won't complain
[03:19] <hydrogen> why you always hate on me thouhg!
[03:19] <Tm_T> because youre the cutest!
[03:19] <hydrogen> oh
[03:19] <hydrogen> okay
[03:19] <hydrogen> <3
[03:20] <isa268[FAN] > hello how do i install kde4?
[03:20] <hydrogen> RTFT
[03:20] <hydrogen> or
[03:20] <hydrogen> look at the topic
[03:20] <hydrogen> its your choice
[03:20] <Tm_T> now now, hydrogen remember to smile ;)
[03:20] <hydrogen> oops
[03:21] <hydrogen> --0
[03:21] <hydrogen> installing kde4 is most likely going to be a big disappointment though
[03:21] <hydrogen> unless your into reductionism
[03:22] <Telroth|Sleep> I recently upgraded my system and now the root drive (sata) has an extremly slow read speed (symptom of problem). any ideas?
[03:22] <quixogre> linux has been givin mrighte headaches all day. beryl is the only thing thats working
[03:22] <Telroth|Sleep> now that's ironic quixogre :P
[03:23] <quixogre> yeah. tell me about it. wireshark wont work, cus it doesnt recognize my version of gtk+...my wireless network card got deleted, and i cant figure out how to reinstall the drivers
[03:24] <Telroth|Sleep> quixogre, modprobe <wifi module driver> ?
[03:25] <quixogre> anyone here have a broadcom 4401 ethernet card and know how to install it from scratch?
[03:26] <quixogre> telroth, only driver i can find, requires me to build. and glibc is flaking out when i try
[03:26] <tekstacy> This aircard I am looking at says it supportts xp, osx and has ndis driver suppport. Is it likely to work with kubuntu?
[03:27] <quixogre> tekstacy, if it supports ndis worst cae, you'll have to use ndis wrapper for it
[03:28] <tekstacy> quixoge, there is a special page in the ubuntu wiki for broadcom cards.  They are a pain in the ass
[03:28] <quixogre> tekstacy, yeah, that page is why i dont have ANYTHIGN installed right now
[03:28] <quixogre> and ironically, its for a version of card i dont even have
[03:29] <Telroth|Sleep> got i hate my mobo right now
[03:29] <quixogre> i have a 44xx card, the problem child is the 43xx cards
[03:30] <tekstacy> Thanks for the advice. Sorry, I don'nt recall where I got the info but I got broadcom card to work
[03:30] <quixogre> tekstacy, thanks, had it working, just would connect to wpa network
[03:30] <quixogre> wouldnt*
[03:31] <x-men_> hola
[03:31] <quixogre> hewwo
[03:32] <quixogre> back to BF2 for a bit. just made new rank, get to unlock new weapon
[03:33] <ubuntu> ola
[03:33] <ubuntu> ay alguien
[03:35] <quixogre> !spanish |elbuscador
[03:35] <ubotu> elbuscador: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:37] <hydrogen> !inuitikuk | me
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about inuitikuk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:37] <hydrogen> what, no ubuntu for the eskimo's??
[03:37] <quixogre> lol
[03:38] <Telroth|Sleep> quixogre, for the record it seems the system was interrupted mid-apt update
[03:38] <Telroth|Sleep> thank god for livecd + chroot
[03:38] <quixogre> lol telroth so its working now?
[03:38] <Telroth|Sleep> i don't know
[03:38] <Telroth|Sleep> it's still installing the downloaded updates
[03:39] <Telroth|Sleep> what i hate though is the livecd's don't like my mobo hardware
[03:39] <level1> !flv
[03:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flv - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:39] <level1> !mp3
[03:39] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:39] <Telroth|Sleep> (wifi card, jmicron ide controller, etc)
[03:39] <quixogre> i was surprised how easily it installed on my dell laptop
[03:39] <Biovore> if your going to use linux.. buy hardware that works  with it :-P
[03:41] <level1> Biovore: we shouldn't resign ourselves to that solution
[03:41] <Biovore> well.. thats what works :-)
[03:41] <level1> what do I need to play flv from kaffine?
[03:42] <quixogre> agreed. once linux has true plug and play, windows wont have anything left
[03:42] <Biovore> untill hardware venders stop being gay.. were just screwed..
[03:42] <quixogre> well, plug and play, and game development....
[03:42] <level1> quixogre: games?  but even that is starting to fall apart
[03:43] <Biovore> well basicly anything for the PS3 can be ported to linux fairly easilly
[03:43] <quixogre> i dunno. saw previews of halo3...looks like its gonna be awesome
[03:43] <Dragnslcr> It's not even a problem with many hardware vendors
[03:44] <Dragnslcr> Broadcom is the only major problem
[03:44] <Dragnslcr> ATI and nVidia to a lesser extent, but AMD may force that issue
[03:44] <quixogre> im dealing with a broadcom ethernet card right now. their idea of linux support is dumping broken code on the web, and calling it a driver
[03:44] <Biovore> well intel and aceria are the only ones that have put the money where the mouth is..  And maybe AMD..
[03:45] <vip3rousmango> Anyone know what an "has an x86 boot sector" means??
[03:45] <Dragnslcr> AMD just bought ATI, so it'll take them a little time
[03:45] <quixogre> think im gonna reinstall ubuntu/kubuntu....i  need the practice
[03:45] <Dragnslcr> Hopefully it'll force nVidia's hand
[03:45] <Biovore> rgr.. they release the specs for the r200 cards
[03:45] <intelikey> i have an update.    i found the "silent sound" issue.   it seems that some onboard sound devices will not function properly with a non-amplified speeker system.   pluging + amp speakers in solves the problem    the pcm-preamp is adjustable and the extra pcm controls work propperly   they don't snap back to the preset defaults.
[03:45] <Biovore> So we shall see what happens
[03:46] <Biovore> yeah.. sounds on ubuntu has lost of weird problems like that..
[03:46] <quixogre> see if i can get my nic working wifi again
[03:46] <Biovore> the mic input on my sounds  card is line..
[03:46] <intelikey> confirmed on two boxes both using ac'97 drives     one ubuntu hoary the other kubuntu dapper.   same issue same cause, same cure.
[03:47] <vip3rousmango> Anyone know how to erase the MBR on a usb flash drive? I'm trying to whipe a lil 128mb usb drive to install DSL on it. But I keep getting "has x86 boot sector" error saying its a zeroed non-bootable master boot record. This mean it can't be used for DSL?
[03:48] <quixogre> okay noob question: how do i burn an iso to cd with ubuntu/kde?
[03:48] <Biovore> k3b works good
[03:48] <vip3rousmango> quixogre: get Nero Linux
[03:48] <intelikey> vip3rousmango installing any boot loader should fix it's MBR   also you can    dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/<usb_disk> count=1
[03:49] <Dragnslcr> k3b works well for me
[03:49] <vip3rousmango> intel i did dd if=dev/zero of=dev/sdb1 bs=446 count=1
[03:49] <vip3rousmango> yet nothing would happen
[03:49] <vip3rousmango> or, i don't know if it worked
[03:49] <Biovore> isn't the bootsector 512 bytes long?
[03:49] <intelikey> vip3rousmango mbr is 512 bytes    no ?
[03:50] <intelikey> ok i lag now.
[03:50] <vip3rousmango> yeah, but then that kills the tables as well
[03:50] <vip3rousmango> doesn't it?
[03:50] <Biovore> and.. thats what you want..
[03:50] <vip3rousmango> alright then =b
[03:50] <Biovore> if your going to image the device..
[03:51] <vip3rousmango> so then should i try: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb1 count=1?
[03:51] <vip3rousmango> and then after ms-sys -s /dev/sdb1 to create the new MBR?
[03:54] <vip3rousmango> ok, so i just did the cmd and.. now it says /dev/sdb1 has no x86 boot sector and I can't run ms-sys -s /dev/sdb1 because it says i have to run ms-sys -f /dev/sdb1 to force writing of a partiton table.
[03:54] <vip3rousmango> but when i run ms-sys -f /dev/sdb1 i get the error saying no x86 boot sector and im back to where i started. -b
[03:57] <quixogre> bbl all. rebooting, and reinstalling ubuntu from scratch
[03:57] <vip3rousmango> oh fun fun
[04:03] <npurciful> hello i got a stupid question, i close the konsole window with a program windows and i need to know what it is outputing is there a way to reconnect to the program
[04:03] <feierfox> bye
[04:05] <Biovore> npurciful: that program probably died as well
[04:06] <npurciful> no the program is runing
[04:07] <Dragnslcr> npurciful- not that I'm aware of. If a program outputs to stdout and stdout goes away, the output goes off into the void
[04:08] <npurciful> okay i guess i will wait for the program to die
[04:09] <tekstacy> goodnight all
[04:16] <ironman> hey whats up
[04:17] <Eeyore-Jr> heh, real player wont install.  why?
[04:19] <ironman> sup
[04:20] <tazgodx> so i got a problem installing kubuntu witht he alternate cd. everytime i boot up and choose isntall i get an error that it can't mount the cd. anyone know how i can fix that?
[04:20] <tazgodx> does teh same thing with installing ubuntu alt cd, but a few other distros i have installed fine, and the live cd is fine
[04:20] <ironman> kubuntu is cool so far
[04:21] <Eeyore-Jr> how do i do sudo ./RealPlayer, it comes back with "command not found".
[04:21] <Eeyore-Jr> i'm confused
[04:23] <ironman> whats the best media player for divx and wmv
[04:24] <jhutchins> ironman: If there were a best, there wouldn't be twenty-'leven options.
[04:24] <Jucato> !codecs
[04:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[04:25] <tazgodx> ironman: try vlc
[04:25] <ironman> ok thx
[04:25] <Tm_T> ironman: dont know about best but I use kmplayer because I can use xine, mplayer and gstreamer for it
[04:25] <jhutchins> ironman: I like mplayer.  Many people like VLC.
[04:25] <ironman> kubuntu/ubuntu has the best community
[04:25] <ironman> yall are always willing to help
[04:25] <jhutchins> Most of the others are toys that work some of the time.
[04:26] <Jucato> Tm_T: yay for kmplayer :)
[04:26] <jhutchins> There are players that are actually interface shells for other players with less sophisticated interfaces.
[04:26] <Tm_T> jhutchins: xine has worked best in my use this far ;)
[04:26] <Jucato> nah.. mplayer for me hahah :P
[04:27] <jhutchins> xine is one of those back-end players that many people prefer to use as an engine behind a frienly shell.
[04:27] <Tm_T> yup
[04:27] <jhutchins> yuo.
[04:27] <Jucato> yes I would agree
[04:27] <jhutchins> p
[04:27] <jhutchins> er.
[04:27] <jhutchins> whatever.
[04:27] <Tm_T> jhutchins: pyuo indeed
[04:27] <ironman> yea im just trying to find great apps
[04:27] <Jucato> (mplayer doesn't fit the "back-end players that many people prefer to use as an engine")
[04:28] <Tm_T> ironman: try different apps :)
[04:28] <jhutchins> ironman: Well, yeah, welcome to Linux, great apps abound, it's all about what you like.
[04:28] <Jucato> !best
[04:28] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[04:28] <ironman> i need to find a news reader for binary files
[04:31] <kloplop321> can somebody help me with having multiple mice? I found this but http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mouse_Nav_Buttons it doesn't seem to work for me(doesn't crash but just doesn't do anything)
[04:32] <killermach> I have a sony laptop and I bought a larger LCD monitor, plugged it in the side via DB15 connector and I have cloned display, I'm trying to setup dual display like xinerama
[04:33] <kloplop321> I don't think anybody is actually here.. nobody has even replied in the last few minutes
[04:33] <killermach> my laptop is an older viao PCG-V505DC2P and I think the display adapter is ATI radeon mobility 128
[04:33] <killermach> kloplop321:  there here.. just be patient
[04:33] <kloplop321> I have a dual display using xinerama, but I finally went to using my Nvidia settings, so, I don't know what to do for ATI
[04:34] <killermach> what do you need?
[04:34] <kloplop321> well, I have 2 screens set up now, however,
[04:34] <killermach> yeah.. nvidia has a really neat tool from there website.. works great
[04:34] <kloplop321> I want to use both of my mice seperatly
[04:34] <kloplop321> I found this but it doesn't help http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mouse_Nav_Buttons
[04:35] <killermach> well the new monitor has 1680x1050 for display but for now it's 800x600 stretched
[04:35] <kloplop321> I did what it showed as examples, but it made no difference
[04:35] <kloplop321> lol, well I got mine from 1600 by 1200 to like 1840 by something
[04:35] <killermach> what do you mean separately?
[04:35] <kloplop321> I can boost it up to 1920 but it isn't widescreen so it looks weird
[04:35] <tazgodx> so i got a problem installing kubuntu witht he alternate cd. everytime i boot up and choose isntall i get an error that it can't mount the cd. anyone know how i can fix that?
[04:35] <kloplop321> well, as in, there are 2 cursors
[04:35] <tazgodx> does teh same thing with installing ubuntu alt cd, but a few other distros i have installed fine, and the live cd is fine
[04:36] <kloplop321> odd, are you on the live CD right now?
[04:36] <killermach> tazgodx:  after install or during initial boot to install CD?
[04:36] <kloplop321> killermach: what I want is two seperate cursors able to simaltaniously interact with things, the keyboard doesn't matter
[04:37] <sainzeo> kopete has been disconnecting me from groupwise every now and then, anyone know of a solution?
[04:37] <killermach> taz I don't think you can have 2 cursors, just two devices controlling the one cursor
[04:37] <killermach> sainzeo: use gaim.. see if problem still exists
[04:37] <tazgodx> its during the initial boot to try to install. when i start the install it can't mount the cd, so it can't install. says its usually caused by not having th CD in the drive but its there
[04:38] <sainzeo> killermach: i have used pidgin with ubuntu, but i would like to stick with kopete right now - any other suggestions?
[04:38] <kloplop321> killermach: I used this Section "ServerLayout" #....Rest of serverlayout section        InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"          InputDevice    "Mouse1" "AlwaysCore" #....Rest of serverlayout section     EndSection
[04:38] <killermach> tazgodx: I read an article somewhere about having one pc shared for two people with two monitors, two mice and two keyboards..
[04:39] <kloplop321> yeah, I am trying to do the same thing but with just 2 mice
[04:41] <kloplop321> what is the default type of Xserver on Kubuntu 7.06 anyway?
[04:41] <killermach> tazgodx: I have no idea where I found that but I think I was researching thinclients
[04:41] <killermach> try google for that
[04:42] <tazgodx> killermach: kloplop321 is the guy who needs help with the mice problem
[04:42] <tazgodx> killermach: i need help with a cd mounting issue
[04:42] <kloplop321> yah I found this, but, It has no effect on my Xserver when I restart it  http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mouse_Nav_Buttons#Multiple_Mice_Support
[04:43] <sainzeo> kopete has been disconnecting me from groupwise every now and then, anyone know of a solution?
[04:43] <kloplop321> it might just be your connection or it is kopete's problem, as I don't use groupwise
[04:43] <killermach> sainzeo: other than the one I mentioned (gaim) no
[04:44] <killermach> tazgodx: does the CD boot an install properly on other PC? could be bad CD
[04:44] <kloplop321> tazgodx: my friend had the same problem with Xubuntu, are you using a CD-RW?
[04:45] <tazgodx> its a normal CD-R, and yes it has worked before
[04:45] <tazgodx> i used it to install many times actually
[04:45] <killermach> are you trying kernel options like noapic ?
[04:45] <tazgodx> no options at all, just boot up choose install in text mode, and it says can't mount cd
[04:45] <killermach> tazgodx: many laptop installs require that
[04:45] <kloplop321> it may be a Disk drive issue
[04:46] <tazgodx> i know i have installed on this exact PC with exact config not long ago, im just trying to do a quick reinstall
[04:46] <tazgodx> with exact cd
[04:47] <kloplop321> tazgodx: well, I am not really sure on that issue :\
[04:47] <killermach> tazgodx:  have you tried that CD drive on another PC to install, could be a finicky drive
[04:47] <tazgodx> i just bought the drive like 2 months ago
[04:47] <tazgodx> lol
[04:48] <kloplop321> but, do any of you know of a way to have multiple mice on kubuntu?
[04:48] <tazgodx> i know the live ced works
[04:48] <tazgodx> and other distros work, just the kubuntu nad ubuntu alternate cds don't, and i wanted to set up a LVM so i need the alt cds
[04:49] <Biovore> kloplop321: you can.. just have to specify multipule pointers in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:50] <kloplop321> Biovore: that is what I have done, but it has had no effect
[04:50] <killermach> hmm.. I have a new install and I'm on konversation with you but all urls even IP address fail in konqueror .. hmm
[04:51] <kloplop321> well that kinda stinks, have you tried installing firefox via terminal?
[04:52] <killermach> route works, dig works, just no konqueror http:// urls
[04:52] <killermach> kloplop321: still doing updates.. then I'll install firefox
[04:53] <kloplop321> ok
[04:53] <killermach> but I hoped to google for xinerama and ATI radeon mobility while d/l updates
[04:53] <kloplop321> so that is why you were unable to help me find a thing on my problem
[04:55] <killermach> be right back
[04:55] <kloplop321> I'll try an alternative to the confiureation
[04:56] <killermach> kloplop321:  yep.. I can't google ;)
[04:57] <killermach> ok.. updates complete.. lemme rbooot
[04:57] <killermach> brb
[04:57] <kloplop321> I am back
[05:10] <killermach> ok.. back
[05:10] <kloplop321> I've been searching a bit, but no luck yet
[05:12] <killermach> my konqueror is still borked.. but adept-updater shows still a konqueror update and others.. when done I'll install firefox
[05:12] <killermach> and oddly your no mount really sounds like physical issue.. drive, puter, cdrom or combination of those
[05:13] <killermach> I've installed on many architectures and never ran across that
[05:13] <mneptok> killermach: a dist-upgrade should pull the packages held back
[05:13] <kloplop321> my friend has, but only on an old laptop that hates CD-RW's
[05:13] <killermach> mneptok: I'm running fiesty.. is there a newer dist?
[05:14] <killermach> kloplop321: again w/ the physical hardware CDRW
[05:14] <mneptok> killermach: that's not what dist-upgrade does
[05:14] <kloplop321> not that I know of, is there a beta
[05:14] <kloplop321> I am not the one with the CD issue
[05:14] <Tm_T> !gutsy
[05:14] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[05:14] <killermach> kloplop321: sheesh.. I'm lost tonight
[05:15] <mneptok> killermach: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[05:15] <kloplop321> I am the one trying to use 2 different mice(as in 2 different pointers)
[05:15] <killermach> kloplop321: yep.. I remember.. just not paying attention to few enough things at a time :)
[05:15] <Daisuke_Ido> seems like an odd idea
[05:15] <Daisuke_Ido> you're ambidextrous?
[05:16] <Hacker> hi
[05:16] <kloplop321> no, just for when friends come over
[05:17] <kloplop321> but it would be awsome If I was and had 2 mice =D
[05:17] <Biovore> well I know you can have 1 point and multipule pointer devices controling the pointer..
[05:17] <Biovore> I have that on my laptop
[05:17] <Biovore> but 2 mouse pointers..  Not sure on that..
[05:18] <Biovore> Thats a Xorg level problem..
[05:18] <kloplop321> yeah I know, in my case I got two things controlling the same pointer, but I wish them to be seperate
[05:18] <kloplop321> its right here http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Mouse_Nav_Buttons#Multiple_Mice_Support but it doesn't work for me
[05:18] <Hacker> init ctcp ping 0x00 foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo foo
[05:19] <Biovore> kloplop321: google on ZVTM
[05:20] <Hacker> init ctcp ping 0x00
[05:20] <Hacker> init ctcp ping 0x00
[05:20] <kloplop321> Zoomable User Interface?? that's not what I am trying..
[05:20] <Hacker> init ctcp ping 0x00
[05:20] <Biovore> kloplop321: well its more then that..
[05:20] <Jucato> Hacker: stop that
[05:20] <Biovore> Hacker: stop that
[05:20] <Hacker> init ctcp ping 0x00
[05:21] <Jucato> oh yay netsplit...
[05:21] <Biovore> hmm intressting
[05:21] <kloplop321> what's going on?
[05:21] <kloplop321> well, this is cool.
[05:21] <Biovore> one of freenode's server when down
[05:21] <Jucato> kloplop321: netsplit
[05:21] <Jucato> *again*
[05:22] <Biovore> yup
[05:22] <nixternal> no, idiots in #ubuntu
[05:22] <n8k99> must have been that Hacker attack
[05:22] <Biovore> maybe..
[05:22] <nixternal> heh
[05:22] <Biovore> didn't effect here..
[05:22] <kloplop321> does this mean it will happen to me to or what? nothing is happening here
[05:22] <Jucato> I banned him!! maybe it caused the split!! ooooh noes!
[05:22] <Jucato> !netsplit | kloplop321
[05:22] <ubotu> kloplop321: netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[05:22] <Biovore> lol
[05:22] <kloplop321> he broke the laws of physics!
[05:23] <kloplop321> so, this effected other channels right?
[05:23] <nixternal> yes
[05:23] <Biovore> yup.. hole server
[05:23] <kloplop321> big server lol
[05:24] <nixternal> the people you seen leave, were also in the #ubuntu channel
[05:24] <n8k99> Don't Panic
[05:24] <Jucato> hahah
[05:24] <killermach> firefox works... konqueror still broke.. hmm
[05:24] <killermach> no matter
[05:24] <killermach> this is a temp install to a 10GBdrive
[05:24] <kloplop321> lol, Konqueror has bad CSS style recognition
[05:24] <nixternal> !register
[05:24] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[05:25] <kloplop321> !egg
[05:25] <nixternal> ^^ everyone who isn't registered, might be a good time to do so...cuz if the bots try this place, you won't be talking for a bit :)
[05:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about egg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:25] <kloplop321> !Canablized_hobos
[05:25] <nixternal> !botabuse
[05:25] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[05:26] <kloplop321> lol
[05:26] <Jucato> *very* angry ops
[05:26] <Biovore> rgr that
[05:26] <nixternal> *very* *very* angry ops :)
[05:26] <kloplop321> I only said canablized hobos lol
[05:26] <nixternal> I was in the military, so I always feel that if 1 messes up, everyone pays :p
[05:27] <kloplop321> I don't see what ZVTM has to do with having multiple cursors controlled by seperate mice
[05:27] <Biovore> kloplop321: google on MPX
[05:28] <Biovore> looks like its an experimental method for getting multipule pointers
[05:28] <kloplop321> yah I saw the link on bottom
[05:29] <Zombine> Hey!  Funny Story.  The Flash player installer for 64-bit Linux doesn't run on 64-bit archetecture
[05:29] <Zombine> Imagine that right?
[05:29] <kloplop321> will MPX interfere or remove any qualities Xorg has? Yeah I know, there is a petiton against Adobe about that
[05:30] <Tm_T> Zombine: what?
[05:30] <Biovore> Zombine: sounds like a adobe job.. :-P
[05:30] <Zombine> lol
[05:30] <Biovore> there is a reason they don't make there own installer for windows and mac..
[05:30] <Zombine> They are retarded?
[05:31] <Zombine> ERROR: Your architecture, \'x86_64\', is not supported by the
[05:31] <Zombine>        Adobe Flash Player installer.
[05:31] <Zombine> from the x86 download site
[05:31] <Zombine> yeah
[05:31] <Biovore> x86 is not x86_64 though
[05:31] <kloplop321> well MPX seems a bit risky..
[05:31] <Biovore> well its expermiental..
[05:32] <Zombine> Biovore: Maybe it is I that are retarded
[05:32] <kloplop321> true, but I am kinda "iffy" on using experimental stuff
[05:32] <purpleposeidon> So if I want to update from dapper to fiesty, do I just replace all the dapper drakes in source.list with fiesty fawns?
[05:32] <Jucato> purpleposeidon: dapper -> edgy -> feisty
[05:32] <rrbiz> any recommendation on a good KDE audio recorder for ogg ?
[05:32] <purpleposeidon> Do edgy first? :D
[05:32] <Jucato> yep
[05:33] <Biovore> kloplop321: Here is a pic of someone with 18 points on a desktop.. kinda insane.. http://wearables.unisa.edu.au/mpx/?q=node/21
[05:33] <kloplop321> yeah I saw the link , but I'll check it out
[05:34] <kloplop321> lol, its infested
[05:34] <Biovore> rrbiz: record in wave then encode with oggenc
[05:34] <Biovore> there is also rezound..
[05:34] <kloplop321> or mp32ogg
[05:35] <Biovore> eww..  why convert from lossy to lossy.. waste of time..
[05:35] <rrbiz> ahh, so using krec is fine also in this case, then recode ?
[05:35] <Biovore> yeah could do that..
[05:35] <Biovore> rezound or audicity work good as well..
[05:35] <Biovore> they have more advance features..
[05:35] <Zombine> Oh.... No 64-bit support for flash player without 32 bit browsers....
[05:35] <kloplop321> that's why you change the sound encoding settings
[05:36] <Biovore> Zombine: yup that sounds more like it..
[05:36] <Zombine> What am I gonna masturbate to without Newgrounds?!
[05:36] <Biovore> Zombine: have to setup a chroot for all that stuff..
[05:36] <Zombine> Whatchyou talkin' bout Biovore?
[05:37] <Biovore> its on the ubuntu forums somewhere..
[05:37] <Biovore> to get the 32bit flash working on 64bit linux
[05:37] <Zombine> Ah.  I see.  chroot = "change root?"
[05:37] <Zombine> no?
[05:37] <manchicken> Search wiki.ubuntu.com for "flash amd64"
[05:38] <Zombine> Now now, violence is not the answer....
[05:39] <Jucato> but kicking is :)
[05:39] <Zombine> lol
[05:39] <Zombine> eep
[05:39] <nixternal> :)
[05:40] <Zombine> >.>
[05:40] <Jucato> ok commercial's over :)
[05:40] <nixternal> I am lost right now....messing around with them silly developers got me all messed up
[05:40] <purpleposeidon> oh boy... "Need to get 1436MB of archives."
[05:40] <Hirvinen> It is. I have already started to form a local OS control militia.
[05:40] <Hirvinen> (Violence is the answer.)
[05:40] <Tm_T> Hirvinen: militia?!
[05:40] <kloplop321> lol, why  about 1.5 gigs of archives?
[05:40] <Biovore> nixternal: what developers?
[05:41] <Tm_T> Biovore: not us!
[05:41] <Biovore> lol
[05:41] <Zombine> purpleposeidon: Just talk to us and it'll be over soon.... Well that's a lie, but you can at least pretend...
[05:41] <purpleposeidon> So.
[05:41] <purpleposeidon> How's your day been?
[05:41] <nixternal> Biovore: people like Jucato
[05:41] <Tm_T> Jucato: over the hills too?
[05:41] <Biovore> thats all right.. I blame crimson for sound mess ups :-P  easy target
[05:41] <Jucato> climbed every mountain
[05:42] <Zombine> Well I didn't have to wait for 1.5GB of stuff to download.  Of course I'm going to have to kill my X-server again at the very least to get flash to work :D
[05:42] <purpleposeidon> You know, my day has been feeling... like 1% so far. I'm sure it could improve, but....
[05:42] <Zombine> It's part of the gun tho :D
[05:42] <Zombine> er... *fun
[05:42] <purpleposeidon> ha ha, only loosers have to restart X. :P
[05:42] <Zombine> purpleposeidon: :*(
[05:42] <Zombine> yeah...
[05:42] <purpleposeidon> *REAL* men crash canonical's servers by upgrading 2 distros
[05:43] <kloplop321> removing a tong of old stuff
[05:43] <stuq> hi all
[05:43] <Biovore> lol
[05:43] <Zombine> purpleposeidon: I really don't know what most of that means...
[05:43] <stuq> is anyone else having problems with strigi on gutsy?
[05:43] <Zombine> hi stuq!
[05:43] <stuq> hi Zombine
[05:43] <purpleposeidon> well, not 2 distros. 2 releases, I guess...
[05:43] <kloplop321> Install these packages without verification [y/N] ? t
[05:43] <kloplop321> E: Some packages could not be authenticated
[05:43] <kloplop321> woops lol
[05:43] <purpleposeidon> kloplop321: try y
[05:43] <kloplop321> yah I know
[05:44] <stuq> strigidaemon is taking my lapper's cpu up to 99% all the time
[05:44] <stuq> i have to kill the process  before the laptop  overheats and dies
[05:44] <kloplop321> well 229 megs to download, I still got homework and school tomarow, bya peopple
[05:44] <kloplop321> people
[05:44] <purpleposeidon> stuq: try sudo apt-get remove strigi
[05:45] <stuq> heh, well yes, that would do it
[05:45] <stuq> i was hoping to get it working..
[05:45] <Zombine> purpleposeidon: But.... that's not all that much is it?  Like 3 Gb tops.... Unless you somehow upped your bandwidth so it wouldn't take all night
[05:45] <Zombine> But again maybe I are retarded
[05:45] <purpleposeidon> It'll take all night.
[05:46] <purpleposeidon> Except that I think that this way is more reliable than re-installing by CD.
[05:47] <Zombine> purpleposeidon: Updating releases requires full reinstalls?
[05:48] <purpleposeidon> Well, I think dapper => edgy => fiesty == less likely to make me cry than booting up a CD. and I don't have to restart my computer.
[05:48] <Jucato> you'll have to once you get to the final kernel...
[05:48] <Zombine> purpleposeidon: So that's a "no?"
[05:49] <purpleposeidon> Yeah.
[05:49] <purpleposeidon> Well, it did last time I tried it.... :/
[05:49] <purpleposeidon> Mainly because it borked. :P
[05:49] <cesar_> in Spanish help???
[05:49] <purpleposeidon> #kubuntu-es
[05:53] <jeri> hello everyone!
[05:53] <chlorpromazine> hello jeri
[05:53] <jeri> im new in kubuntu dapper drake
[05:54] <chlorpromazine> I'm new as well, except I'm using xubuntu
[05:54] <chlorpromazine> ...and diggin the hell out of it so far
[05:54] <jeri> xubuntu?is there a big dfference compare to kubuntu?
[05:55] <wers> jeri: yes
[05:55] <chlorpromazine> kubuntu uses the KDE
[05:55] <jeri> i really want to install compiz,is it applicable to kde or just gnome only?
[05:56] <jeri> im installing gnome right now
[05:56] <wers> it works on kde and xfce
[05:56] <purpleposeidon> 11% already! Watch mah compeh crash when she configure meh packagers!
[05:56] <jeri> ?!?
[05:57] <Dr_willis> i would have to say. dont mess/worry about compiz at this time.
[05:57] <jeri> can u help me install compiz on dapper?
[05:58] <Dr_willis> Its going to be in the gutsy ubuntu release.. if you want to see the wiggly windows.. that will make it much easier. at this time it can be a big hassle under feisty
[05:58] <Dr_willis> and dapper.. egads...
[05:58] <jeri> is gnome like compiz?
[05:59] <purpleposeidon> Dr_willis: : hey, that's what I've been trying to do! :D
[05:59] <jeri> i see,compiz still have many errors? still on test.
[05:59] <Dr_willis> compiz is still in many ways very much a work in progress..
[06:00] <Dr_willis> best to play with it on some live cd.. :) and see the wiggly bits.. then reboot back to your nice stable system
[06:00] <Biovore> well gusty on gnome has it enabled by default.. :-P
[06:01] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: I like the way youput that.
[06:01] <ardchoille> Biovore: Yes, and that'll be one of the first things I disable.
[06:01] <Biovore> rgr
[06:01] <Biovore> thats what I did
[06:01] <Biovore> can't game with compiz running
[06:01] <Dr_willis> compiz = disabled as soon as i dare put gutsy on my laptop. :)
[06:02] <Dr_willis> which will not be for a month or 2 i bet.
[06:02] <jeri> the first time i use xp i thought it was cool,but months & yrs pass i suck real hard
[06:02] <jeri> i mean it suck real hard
[06:02] <ardchoille> Is compiz enabled by default on kubuntu Gutsy?
[06:02] <Biovore> nope
[06:02] <Dr_willis> not on kubuntu, on ubuntu
[06:02] <Biovore> kubunut people have brains .. :-P
[06:03] <ardchoille> Obviously
[06:03] <Biovore> lol
[06:03] <Dr_willis> kubuntu devs have other reasons I hear. :)
[06:03] <purpleposeidon> jeri: There is probably a #kubuntu-LOCALE for you. :-)
[06:03] <jeri> what is that? #kubuntu locale?
[06:03] <Biovore> local ubuntu group
[06:03] <jeri> ah i see
[06:03] <jeri> is that a channel?
[06:04] <jeri> uhm,,im the only one in the channel
[06:04] <Lynoure> hardly
[06:05] <purpleposeidon> I mean, a two-letters-for-your-prefered-language. X|
[06:05] <jeri> can anyone tell me is there a big dffernce between kde and gnome?
[06:05] <Tm_T> jeri: yes, big differences
[06:05] <Tm_T> jeri: try and see
[06:05] <wers> http://www.psychocats.net/essays/kdevsgnome
[06:05] <jeri> like what? is it 3d? im downloading it right now
[06:06] <jeri> hehe cant wait to see
[06:06] <Dr_willis> 3d? Huh
[06:07] <Dr_willis> they are different desktops. different layouts, tools, and features.
[06:07] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:07] <jeri> ah
[06:07] <Tm_T> different philosophy even
[06:07] <jeri> u really r a doctor
[06:07] <Dr_willis> there are live cd's with both  if you want to test them out.
[06:07] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:07] <Biovore> yeah.. that person dosn't even relize that kubuntu and ubuntu are the same thing really.. except for gui interface..
[06:07] <wers> my Fn+F3 and Fn+F4 volume control keys stopped working.. what can I do?
[06:08] <jeri> im really stupid ive downloaded mndriva metisse and i cant even burn it as an iso so i can boot it in my pc
[06:08] <jeri> i really wnt the 3d desktop
[06:09] <wers> jeri: I was like you nine months ago
[06:09] <wers> ahehehe
[06:09] <jeri> really
[06:09] <wers> jeri: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/index.php
[06:10] <wers> that's a very good resource for you to start with
[06:10] <jeri> it means i will suck 9 more months to come!
[06:10] <wers> no...
[06:10] <flake> hi,  /etc/fstab holds the mount information, what file holds the initial harddrives
[06:10] <Biovore> initial harddrives?
[06:11] <Zombine> Why does it ask for your install CD when you're installing packages?
[06:11] <ardchoille> flake: Are you talking about how the system finds drives on boot?
[06:11] <Biovore> file /etc/mtab contains the list of currently mounted filesytems
[06:11] <jeri> thx it seem to me this site has alot to offer
[06:11] <ardchoille> Zombine: Because you still have the cd sources in your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[06:11] <flake> yes
[06:12] <ardchoille> flake: I believe that is the job of the HAL daemon
[06:12] <flake> mtab looks like what i'm looking for
[06:12] <Zombine> ardchoille: How do I change them?
[06:12] <Biovore> flake: mtab is the list of filesystems that are currently mounted
[06:12] <ardchoille> Zombine: sudo vim /etc/apt/sources.list   <-- comment out the cd sources at the top
[06:12] <Biovore> fstab is a list of avaliable filesystems..
[06:13] <ardchoille> Zombine: Then, when that is dobe, run: sudo apt-get update
[06:13] <jeri> this is my first time to chat in konversation and i appreciate it im glad and happy
[06:13] <Biovore> ardchoille: don't scare beginners with vim :-P
[06:13] <Biovore> they'll spend 4 hours tring to figure out how to quit
[06:13] <ardchoille> Zombine: You can also use: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:13] <Zombine> ardchoille: I see.
[06:13] <ardchoille> Biovore: Good point
[06:14] <Zombine> ardchoille: Alright.  Sounds easy enough.  As long as I use some editor that isn't vim :P
[06:15] <ardchoille> Zombine: vim is a great cli editor.. but you might wanna use kate (a gui) until you're good with vim. And kdesu allows it to run in admin mode.
[06:15] <ardchoille> !kdesu | Zombine
[06:15] <ubotu> Zombine: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[06:15] <flake> welll when i first boot i only get one harddrive, have to enter a password to access the other hardrives which is fine by me.. i just want to rename the harddrives from disk-1 and disk-2 to something meaningful
[06:16] <flake> which mtab has all the names
[06:16] <Zombine> ardchoille: Ah.  Thanks
[06:17] <crxyem> has anyone delt with this error "module disks & filesystems could not be loaded"
[06:17] <ardchoille> Zombine: If you happen to muck up the sources.list, see !easysource
[06:17] <crxyem> fresh install 7.04
[06:18] <Zombine> ardchoille: Okay.  Thanks
[06:19] <jeri> how long does it take to install gnome dr. willis
[06:20] <LordBacon> Hi
[06:20] <LordBacon> can I upgrade to gutsy from an installed feisty?
[06:20] <Biovore> yup
[06:21] <ardchoille> jeri: iirc, the initial install takes somewhere around 15-20 mins
[06:21] <LordBacon> just change the sources, and use dist-upgrade?
[06:21] <jeri> ah,imean the downloading bcause its wat im doing ryt now,in the terminal window
[06:21] <ardchoille> LordBacon: Many folks say that is not recommended and can cause problems.
[06:22] <LordBacon> well, it's a fresh machine, the worst that happens is I burn a proper dvd tomorrow at work
[06:22] <ardchoille> jeri: That would depend on your dl speed and the server load
[06:22] <ardchoille> LordBacon: You can try it.
[06:22] <ardchoille> !upgrade
[06:22] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[06:23] <ardchoille> LordBacon: I have a command you can run to change your sources
[06:24] <LordBacon> I can use sed :)
[06:24] <ardchoille> ok
[06:24] <LordBacon> long ago in a land far far away I was the maintainer of mozilla for debian
[06:24] <ardchoille> That's what I was going to suggest anyway
[06:25] <ardchoille> sudo sed -i.backup 's/feisty/gutsy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:26] <LordBacon> perl -pi -e 's/feisty/gutsy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:26] <ardchoille> :)
[06:26] <denny> tes
[06:26] <LordBacon> I aint no run-of-the-mill newb
[06:26] <ardchoille> hehe
[06:26] <LordBacon> I'm a newb with 12 years experience
[06:27] <LordBacon> I wish networkmanager didn't suck
[06:27] <LordBacon> knetworkmanager shows my wireless card, it shows networks, but when I pick one it never configures it
[06:27] <flake> can I change my harddrive names
[06:27] <LordBacon> if I close knm, and run dhclient ra1 myself, it works fine
[06:28] <ardchoille> LordBacon: ralink?
[06:28] <Lynoure> LordBacon: what's in your /etc/network/interfaces? (having an almost empty one seems to help with that kind of nm trouble, often)
[06:28] <LordBacon> ardchoille: yes
[06:29] <ardchoille> flake: Hard drive names? What are they in fstab?
[06:29] <flake> DRV2_VOL1
[06:29] <flake> in mtab they are  disk,  disk-1 and disk-2
[06:29] <Biovore> I tihnk that has something to do with the volume ID
[06:30] <ardchoille> Thought so
[06:30] <ardchoille> flake: Are you wanting to change that on the desktop icons?
[06:30] <flake> bunch of kde updates coming through
[06:30] <as2000> Can someone tell me how to get the default windows decorations back in Feisty?
[06:30] <flake> yes and the file system if it's possible
[06:31] <coreymon77> night all
[06:31] <ardchoille> nn coreymon77
[06:31] <ardchoille> flake: Can't you just right click the icons and change the name?
[06:31] <flake> it's grayed out
[06:31] <ardchoille> oh
[06:32] <ardchoille> as2000: You still using kwin, or did you try using beryl or something
[06:33] <as2000> ardchoille I think kwin, if that is the default
[06:33] <Dr_willis> i belive part of the issus is the 'default theme' is not saved to a specific file under feisty.
[06:33] <ardchoille> as2000: Ok, run kcontrol, go to Appearances & Themes > Window Decorations and make your choice.
[06:33] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: yeah
[06:33] <Dr_willis> a theme is compozed of carious parts. :)  i dont know what the default window decor is. I perfer 'plastik' myself
[06:34] <as2000> was playing with it and lost the default look that came with feisty
[06:34] <Dr_willis> somthing i always do is go to the theme manager and save the initial theme as 'Kubuntu Default'
[06:34] <ardchoille> as2000: I believe the default win deco theme is Crystal
[06:35] <Dr_willis> i dont care for OS-X wannabes.. :) dont care for OS-X either
[06:35] <ardchoille> I just like the look
[06:35] <Dr_willis> i like the baghria widget look.
[06:35] <ardchoille> Yeah
[06:35] <Dr_willis> but not the window decor. thats whats so nice about how the thmes under kde work. :0
[06:35] <ardchoille> Indeed
[06:37] <Dr_willis> its just hard to explain this is how it works under kde to The various linux beginners. :)
[06:37] <as2000> thanks, getting it somewhat back
[06:37] <LordBacon> I had to explain what KDE/GNOME were to a Windows guy today in windows terms
[06:38] <ardchoille> as2000: You can go back to the "Style" section and get that back too
[06:38] <ardchoille> Dr_willis: Nice idea about saving the default theme in theme manager
[06:40] <sash__> zobber
[06:40] <Dr_willis> ardchoille,  yes - there really should be one allready there called kubuntu human, or somthing I feel.. but then again. i HATE the default theme. :)
[06:40] <ardchoille> same
[06:41] <Dr_willis> i always install that kde-setting wizard also.  and select plastik :)
[06:41] <Dr_willis> oh the themes in the past.. what was once so popular . is now old-hat. :0
[06:41] <Zombine> Well thanks for the help all.  Now back to 32 bit Firefox, but my flash is working :D
[06:41] <jeri> if i install gnome does it mean i dont have problems playing or burning mp3s to audio cd? any one?
[06:41] <Dr_willis> I rember when.. err.. what was it.. was the 'defacto theme' :) heh  ximian had some for a while, then they fade out..
[06:42] <Dr_willis> jeri,  your logic is a bit.. illoigical.
[06:42] <Dr_willis> gnome is just a set of apps/desktop. It includes tools to do that.  as does kde.
[06:42] <ardchoille> jeri: I have no problems playing and burning mp3 files in kubuntu
[06:42] <jeri> ?!? wat do you mean doc?
[06:42] <sash_69> A bit? Lots illogical..
[06:42] <Zombine> jeri: Linux doesn't come with the ability to play mp3s, but you can download it
[06:42] <Dr_willis> gnome itself has nothign to do with 'problems'   of that kind.
[06:42] <jeri> well,my kubuntu dont support mp3s
[06:43] <stdin> it will if you install mp3 support
[06:43] <Zombine> sudo apt-get install xine-engine
[06:43] <Dr_willis> it dosent HAVE the mp3 codecs/neither does ubuntu by default
[06:43] <ardchoille> jeri: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[06:43] <jeri> i cant play or burn mp3s
[06:43] <Dr_willis> for legal reasons.. install the right packages.. and you can.
[06:43] <sash_69> 
[06:43] <ardchoille> !mp3 | jeri
[06:43] <ubotu> jeri: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:43] <Zombine> Listen to ardchoille.  He/she knows more than I
[06:43] <ardchoille> jeri: Awesome links there
[06:44] <stdin> jeri: to play install "libxine1-ffmpeg" to burn install "libk3b2-mp3"
[06:44] <stdin> sash_69: #ubuntu-ru for Russian
[06:44] <jeri> wow thnk u very much!
[06:45] <Zombine> Anyway, I'm not as helpful as I wish I was, so I'm gonna go to bed.  purpleposeidon, don't let small children touch the power button :D
[06:46] <purpleposeidon> kay then.... :/
[06:47] <jeri> now where can i find packages for  libk3b2-mp3?
[06:47] <stdin> it's in the universe repository, Adept should have it listed
[06:48] <jeri> universe rpository? i suck im really at this
[06:48] <jeri> i suck,im really new at this
[06:48] <ardchoille> jeri: Once you have enabled some repos, you can use "apt-cache search appname" (to see if it's in the repos) and "apt-cache policy appname" (to see if it's installed or which repo it's in)
[06:49] <Jucato> jeri: if you are on Kubuntu Feisty, it should just right be there in Adept Manager for you to install
[06:49] <stdin> Adept is in  KMenu > System > Adept Manager
[06:49] <Jucato> Add/Remove Programs would be useful only if...
[06:50] <jeri> i use dapper drake
[06:50] <Jucato> ooh you need to enable Universe
[06:50] <Jucato> !repositories | jeri
[06:50] <ubotu> jeri: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:51] <jeri> i really really nid to read more
[06:54] <cristiano> hi
[06:55] <cristiano> hi
[06:55] <cristiano> hi
[06:55] <cristiano> hi
[06:55] <stdin> stop that
[06:55] <LordBacon> my system is soooo quiet
[07:04] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:04] <Dr_willis> now it squeeks
[07:04] <ardchoille> hahaha
[07:05] <LordBacon> !kde4
[07:05] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[07:09] <Dr_willis> ;0 Heck with 4 !
[07:09] <intelikey> for the life of me,   i will never understand librarry packages, and why we need them     http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39738
[07:09] <drarem> plasma, huh...
[07:09] <drarem> are there any screenshots
[07:09] <Dr_willis> proberly :)
[07:10] <LordBacon> yes, and they are gorgeous
[07:11] <gustavo> is there someone that has an account on demonoid, and wants to give me a invitation? XD
[07:11] <Dr_willis> Hotter then a habanaro!
[07:11] <WaltzingAlong> gustavo: sure
[07:11] <Dr_willis> demonoids invitation stuff.. is one reason i rarely go there. :)
[07:11] <gustavo> WaltzingAlong: :)
[07:12] <Dr_willis> of course thats what i use the other 'meta-search' sites for.
[07:12] <purpleposeidon> intelikey: four lines, I think. :-)
[07:12] <Dr_willis> i dont even see what  'security.provider.1=gnu.java.security.provider.Gnu' does
[07:12] <intelikey> purpleposeidon what did i miss ?
[07:13] <intelikey> if you mean the blank line    i added that
[07:13] <ardchoille> Does anyone know which file holds the adblock filters for konqeror?
[07:13] <intelikey> Dr_willis exactly.
[07:13] <purpleposeidon> some for $0 in dpkg, or something
[07:13] <gustavo> WaltzingAlong: :-(
[07:14] <intelikey> Dr_willis and why we need another dependancy and lib package just to provide that one address ............
[07:14] <intelikey> and that's not the only   lib* package that has nothing in it.  and yet is depended on ...........
[07:14] <WaltzingAlong> gustavo: what happened?
[07:16] <gustavo> WaltzingAlong: wheres my invitation? :P
[07:17] <WaltzingAlong> gustavo: cannot access the site just now, appears to be down
[07:18] <gustavo> WaltzingAlong: yes, i see :(
[07:19] <intelikey> heh  the internet keeps crashing      lol
[07:19] <gustavo> i think i knwo why ;P
[07:19] <ardchoille> I reached the last page once, lol
[07:20] <intelikey> :)
[07:20] <enjoi1216> kkathman whats kickin
[07:21] <kkathman> nada man wassup
[07:21] <enjoi1216> nuttin
[07:21] <enjoi1216> by the way kkathman  you got a copy ?? lol
[07:22] <kkathman> a copy of what hehe
[07:22] <enjoi1216> thats the way they talk over the cb kkathman
[07:23] <kkathman> yeah I know - I actually used to be  a CB er long ago
[07:23] <kkathman> all those 10 codes
[07:23] <enjoi1216> hey lets go in the off topics room and see what is going on in there it seems like it's dead in here
[07:23] <intelikey> des quatro, des quatro
[07:24] <jza873> question can any one point me in the right direction i cant get ping to work it just sits and lags and i had no luck getting this resolved
[07:24] <enjoi1216> copy ?
[07:25] <Dr_willis> 10-4!
[07:25] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:25] <intelikey> jza873 sudo ping 127.0.0.1
[07:25] <enjoi1216> kkathman copy ?
[07:25] <jza873> i can ping the lo
[07:25] <jza873> but nothing else
[07:25] <kkathman> whats yer 20 good buddy?
[07:25] <gore000> is there an easy way to install this on a vanilla ubuntu install
[07:25] <enjoi1216> lets go to the off topic room kkathman
[07:25] <intelikey> jza873 ok it's your dns
[07:26] <intelikey> /etc/resolv.conf
[07:26] <kkathman> heh
[07:26] <intelikey> gore000 sudo apt-get install <this>  ???
[07:27] <jza873> nah my name servers are correct
[07:27] <gore000> well yah
[07:27] <purpleposeidon> por tres, por tres
[07:27] <gore000> or something similar
[07:27] <enjoi1216> kkathman whats the link for off topics chatroom
[07:27] <gore000> I just dont want to start doing things out of nowhere and mess up the whole situation
[07:27] <fulat2k> hi folks, any idea why is kded --new-startup taking 100% of my cpu cycles?  i'm using feisty and it just started happening recently
[07:28] <kkathman> enjoi1216:  #kubuntu-offtopic
[07:28] <ardchoille> !ot
[07:28] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:28] <CVirus> I configured 2 E-mails in contact ... Isn't there anyway to separate them in different inboxes ?
[07:28] <LordBacon> yay, it's installing 2.6.22, now the 16GB thumb drive will work
[07:28] <CVirus> in kmail sorry
[07:28] <jza873> intelikey like i can ping my lo but i cant ping by address or ip i can use every other command but ping
[07:29] <intelikey> jza873 ok firewall
[07:29] <gore000> =[ I want to try kde 4
[07:29] <gore000> boohoo
[07:30] <ardchoille> gore000: kde4 is barely usable
[07:30] <intelikey> jza873 you simply can't blame the app when it "does" work locally.   it has to be a network issue.
[07:30] <jza873>  intelikey no firewall no router direct connect to a new cable modem
[07:31] <intelikey> ping your isp
[07:31] <jza873> cant
[07:31] <jza873> cant ping out at all cept locally
[07:31] <intelikey> maybe blocked there
[07:31] <jza873> when i had a router which i just took off i couldnt even ping that
[07:32] <intelikey> it's network.   and you need a network guru.
[07:32] <jza873> well not much of a network because its just 1 device
[07:33] <jza873>  but imma try to uninstall the ping app and then reinstall it
[07:33] <intelikey> ok.
[07:33] <NightBird> when after playing with the xorg.conf file, and a fail restart of the X server on reboot OS(reboot due to updating kernel), how can I restart the x server so that it's on the F7 screen?
[07:34] <NightBird> er... how do I start the x server so that it's on the F7 screen
[07:34] <intelikey> startx
[07:34] <NightBird> intelikey: yeah, you can do that to get it on the current screen...
[07:34] <CVirus> I configured 2 E-mails in kmail ... Isn't there anyway to separate them in different inboxes ?
[07:35] <intelikey> /etc/init.d/?dm start
[07:35] <intelikey> or restart ^
[07:35] <NightBird> hm... start complained about it already started... but using restart fixed that
[07:36] <intelikey> NightBird correct screen ?      you mean the default tty ?       it will open on the first unused tty
[07:36] <NightBird> ok, well, it's up and working so I'm happy :P
[07:36] <ardchoille> CVirus: You can configure incoming mail into different boxes(folders) in kmail, yes.
[07:37] <intelikey> well actually   startx will open X on the first unused,   ?dm  will open X on the first unused tty above 6
[07:37] <NightBird> ah
[07:37] <NightBird> ok then
[07:37] <intelikey> and the first 6 are noramlly used
[07:37] <CVirus> ardchoille: how can I do that ?
[07:38] <CVirus> ardchoille: found it .. thanks
[07:38] <ardchoille> CVirus: Open kmail, go to Settings > Configure Kmail then go to the Accounts section, hilight an account, click the Modify button on the right. In the General tab, look at the Destination drop down box
[07:38] <intelikey> i've got X running in tty2 as we speak.  but my system is not exactly "default"   i'm also in runlevel 9 atm
[07:39] <CVirus> ardchoille: thanks alot
[07:39] <ardchoille> intelikey: I don't know of many system which stay "default" for too long
[07:39] <ardchoille> CVirus: you're welcome
[07:39] <LordBacon> runlevel 9 seems a bit excessive
[07:39] <CVirus> ardchoille: any way to do it with the sent E-mail ?
[07:39] <ardchoille> CVirus: Let me look..
[07:40] <intelikey> ardchoille well it seems like most people in #ubuntu expect your system to be "totally default" if you want any help...
[07:40] <intelikey> or   #*buntu  for that matter...
[07:40] <ardchoille> CVirus: Yes, go to the Identities section of the options and click Modify, then go to the Advanced tab
[07:41] <ardchoille> CVirus: Sent, Drafts and Templates can all be defined there
[07:42] <intelikey> oh nice kmail has come a long way sense i tried it out,,,,   back in 2002   :)
[07:42] <ardchoille> Indeed it has
[07:43] <intelikey> it was little more that a gui frontend for   /usr/bin/Mail   at that time.
[07:43] <ardchoille> I didn't like it either
[07:43] <CVirus> ardchoille: Thanks again
[07:44] <ardchoille> CVirus: you're welcome
[07:45] <LordBacon> ok, dist-upgrade finished
[07:45] <LordBacon> lets reboot the leenoocks box and see what happens
[07:46] <ardchoille> LordBacon: Good luck
[07:47] <kalorin`> !gimp 2.3
[07:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gimp 2.3 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:47] <kalorin`> !gimp
[07:47] <ubotu> gimp is an advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[07:47] <LordBacon> domo arigato mister ubotu
[07:48] <Dr_willis> engrish.com
[07:48] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:49] <kalorin`> is there a package yet for gimp 2.4?
[07:49] <LordBacon> my system boots too fast!
[07:49] <kalorin`> I know it's beta
[07:49] <intelikey> ? you no will to engrish
[07:49] <kalorin`> but I don't see it listed anywhere in the dpkg -l listings
[07:49] <LordBacon> !find gimp2.4
[07:50] <ubotu> Package/file gimp2.4 does not exist in feisty
[07:50] <stdin> !info gimp
[07:50] <ubotu> gimp: The GNU Image Manipulation Program. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2.13-1ubuntu4.3 (feisty), package size 2901 kB, installed size 7920 kB
[07:50] <intelikey> LordBacon add some sleep commands in the upstart   :)
[07:50] <LordBacon> I win
[07:50] <stdin> 2.4-rc1 is in gutsy, but not in feisty
[07:50] <LordBacon> now to check lspci
[07:50] <kalorin`> due out when next month?
[07:51] <stdin> kalorin`: erm, rc2 actually, Gutsy will be out sometime in october
[07:51] <kalorin`> k
[07:51] <kalorin`> thanks
[07:51] <LordBacon> nope, the only added device on lspci is the nv audio
[07:51] <kalorin`> I can pull the .deb file and just install it without any issues though right?
[07:51] <kalorin`> or should be able to
[07:52] <intelikey> it depends on what it depends on
[07:52] <kalorin`> oh I'll wait
[07:52] <LordBacon> but knetworkmanager works now
[07:52] <LordBacon> woo
[07:52] <kalorin`> hrms...
[07:52] <kalorin`> bunch of stuff updated tonight
[07:52] <stdin> kalorin`: doubt it, gimp has a lot of dependencies. you'd end up with some insane mix of feisty and gutsy
[07:52] <intelikey> :)
[07:52] <kalorin`> k thanks
[07:52] <kalorin`> night time
[07:52] <LordBacon> now to install some proprietary nvidia drivers
[07:53] <enjoi1216> kkathman you got a copy
[07:54] <user1> Dudul
[07:55] <level1> hi, whats the name of the alternative to knetworkmanager?  I think its called kwassist or something
[07:55] <level1> its a kde program to configure wireless connections
[07:56] <intelikey> kdewirelessassistant     errr maybe not.
[07:56] <level1> intelikey: theres a program called kwlan who's purpose seems to discretely remove NetworkManager so you can't connect to the internet
[07:57] <level1> kinda annoying
[07:57] <intelikey> wlassistant - User friendly KDE frontend for wireless network connection
[07:58] <LordBacon> knetworkmanager in gutsy actually works
[07:58] <Dr_willis> 'wireless and user friendly' in the same sentance...
[07:58] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:58] <intelikey> heh.
[08:00] <intelikey> level1 i just ran i simple search in apt   to find that for you.     (/me teaches how to fish)    apt-cache search ass
[08:00] <intelikey> first thing that poped up.
[08:00] <zero1> hi guys, i got this weird behaviour in my kubuntu recently... i'm on my desktop and i suddenly get logged out.  this has happend since last week.
[08:00] <zero1> i'm not sure if it's an X server restart or what.. . any inputs?
[08:00] <intelikey> might want to filter that.    blah...  | grep kde | less
[08:00] <josue> hola
[08:01] <stdin> !es | josue
[08:01] <ubotu> josue: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[08:01] <josue> gracias
[08:02] <intelikey> zero1 runaway process ?     fork bomb ?      anything causing the kernel   OOMK  to start killing off processes could do that.
[08:02] <jza873> ok i figured it out
[08:02] <zero1> intelikey: how do i know what's going on, where do i look?
[08:02] <jza873> got ping to work again
[08:03] <intelikey> zero1  top
[08:03] <intelikey> zero1    pstree
[08:03] <jza873> even though i didnt call upon firestarter it stays running even after reboot so it was blocking icmp
[08:03] <zero1> intelikey: are there logs? coz by the time it crashes, i won't be able to see what happend on top
[08:03] <intelikey> zero1         /var/log/Xorg*
[08:04] <zero1> intelikey: hints on what to look for ? :)
[08:04] <zero1> intelikey: i'm not very good at this
[08:04] <intelikey> zero1 might if you run top in a console...     look for  EE  maybe
[08:05] <intelikey> finding what is closing a program   X in this case.   is not always easy.
[08:05] <zero1> ok
[08:06] <intelikey> might even need to do    strace startx  in a console    the cause should be near the end of it's output.
[08:06] <zero1> intelikey: it couldn't be beryl, right? i have had this setup for so long and beryl crashes, but doesn't render X useless or crash it
[08:06] <intelikey> that assumes that you kill ?dm first.
[08:06] <zero1> intelikey: ok.that's a good suggestion
[08:06] <josue> alguein de aqui sabe sobre
[08:06] <josue> pcb wizard
[08:07] <josue> pcb wizard
[08:07] <intelikey> zero1 also   look in   /var/log/"syslog messages and dmesg"
[08:07] <holyguyver> Hi everyone, I was in this room the other day with questions on how to salve my problems with my hardware so that I could run my Ubuntu Linux. Well I found an error, but could one of you guys tell me what it means if I shall you the thing that says it?
[08:08] <zero1> intelikey: i have this on my X log today - (EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/wacom
[08:08] <intelikey> when x dies the message "if any" should be at the bottom of the log.
[08:08] <intelikey> zero1 no.  wacom errors as "ubuntu intentional"
[08:08] <zero1> and for other X logs this occurs many times: Xorg.3.log:(EE) intel(0): Failed to allocate framebuffer. Is your VideoRAM set too low?
[08:08] <holyguyver> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 167
[08:08] <holyguyver>   Major opcode:  145
[08:08] <holyguyver>   Minor opcode:  3
[08:08] <holyguyver>   Resource id:  0x0
[08:08] <holyguyver> Failed to open device
[08:09] <intelikey> zero1 that is to say they set up wacom devices in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf  file knowing that most people wont have them.  but it makes them "just work" for those that do have them.
[08:09] <holyguyver> Does anyone know what that could mean?
[08:10] <stdin> holyguyver: please use the pastebin when posting large pastes to the channel, link in the topic
[08:10] <stdin> !baddevice | holyguyver
[08:10] <ubotu> holyguyver: If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[08:10] <zero1> intelikey: got that. how about that other error on the Video ram being too low?
[08:10] <intelikey> holyguyver yes   wacom    see my posts above to zero1
[08:11] <intelikey> zero1 that will prevent you using a particular rez/depth   thus it will have to stay less than that.
[08:11] <intelikey> zero1 if that's shared ram  you can add some in BIOS if you want.
[08:11] <intelikey> zero1 prolly isn't.
[08:12] <zero1> intelikey: it is.  it's an Intel 945 GM
[08:12] <intelikey> ah well there you go then
[08:12] <intelikey> but that's most likely NOT your cause of crash.
[08:12] <zero1> intelikey: works really fine, out of the box on kubuntu.  even with desktop effects. i haven't had problems with this until now
[08:13] <intelikey> yes some update i suspect.     but finding what is causing it..............  ;/
[08:13] <LordBacon> !medibuntu
[08:13] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[08:13] <zero1> intelikey: what driver is best for this BTW? 3 weeks ago i changed from i810 to that other one, i think Intel counterpart for this video chip
[08:14] <intelikey> zero1 might check the bug reports for like reports of late.
[08:14] <intelikey> zero1 the 'best' is the one that works for you.
[08:15] <intelikey> as to the bug reports,  it could be something know and a fix "might" be in the works...    never know
[08:16] <zero1> intelikey: ok.  i think  i should just go back to the default.  anyway i didn't notice any difference except for on resolution higher that i reallydidn't need
[08:19] <LordBacon> I just added a medibuntu.list to sources.list.d but it's not getting updated when I do apt-get update
[08:19] <LordBacon> is there some trick to get the .d dir parsed?
[08:21] <LordBacon> nevermind it got toasted somehow
[08:30] <holyguyver> Alright guys well that ubotu for baddevice that you guys gave me did not help at all, that page said that the process would not remove the errors & that if I want to do that that I should ask someone in the Kubuntu forum for help, so I ask again, how may I fix that?
[08:33] <holyguyver> I would like an answer soon, because as everyone who was in here the other day knows, I only have about 15 minutes on my ubuntu before it crashes :(
[08:35] <holyguyver> please :'(
[08:36] <stdin> holyguyver: post your /etc/X11/xorg.conf to pastebin
[08:36] <holyguyver> were is pastebin?
[08:36] <stdin> !paste
[08:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:36] <stdin> the link is also in the /topic
[08:37] <werner_> quit
[08:44] <LordBacon> !find libsigc-2.0.so.0
[08:44] <ubotu> File libsigc-2.0.so.0 found in libsigc++-2.0-0c2a, vmware-player
[08:45] <holyguyver> alright here it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38617/
[08:46] <holyguyver> I hope that is what you wanted
[08:47] <stdin> holyguyver: ok, press Alt-F2 and put in "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf"   then replace what's there with this one http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38618/   save and restart X. the errors should then be gone
[08:49] <LordBacon> I win
[08:49] <LordBacon> I have opera and skype working on kubuntu gutsy on amd64
[08:50] <kkathman> rofl
[08:50] <kkathman> good job LordBacon  :)
[08:51] <stdin> opera and skype? you like the closed source apps I see :p
[08:51] <LordBacon> I like to keep some browsing separate from my normal stuff
[08:51] <LordBacon> and my gf uses skype
[08:51] <LordBacon> she's in new york right now
[08:52] <stdin> whatever floats your boat :p  your computer, your rules
[08:52] <wx> lskdjf
[08:52] <stdin> wx: lskdjf to you too
[08:52] <LordBacon> I really wish I could use VS 2008 on linux though
[08:52] <wx> good  afternoon
[08:52] <LordBacon> I may try it and office in vista in a vm now that I have a decent system though
[08:52] <LordBacon> or I could use them on the office laptop
[08:53] <wx> what are you doing
[08:53] <wx> stdin who is
[08:54] <wx> exit
[08:54] <stdin> hmmmk
[08:54] <holyguyver> how do I restart X?
[08:54] <LordBacon> log out of X, hit ctrl-alt-backspace
[08:54] <stdin> or logout and choose "Restart X server" from the menu
[08:54] <Neil3> or just do ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:54] <stdin> bad ^
[08:55] <Neil3> it will nuke your session though :/
[08:55] <LordBacon> that's why I said to log out first
[08:55] <LordBacon> now, should I go for the compiz lovin?
[08:55] <Neil3> mclovin?
[08:55] <Neil3> :D
[08:55] <LordBacon> with bacon!
[08:55] <holyguyver> in the logout there is no option to restart x
[08:56] <LordBacon> it's on the login screen, after you logout
[08:56] <Neil3> hm, beryl with aquamarine worked well i seem to remember
[08:56] <holyguyver> where?
[08:56] <stdin> in the menu after you logout
[08:56] <Neil3> the login screen, holyguyver
[08:56] <holyguyver> what menu after I log out?
[08:57] <holyguyver> where on the login screen?
[08:57] <Neil3> to the left of the box with the user name and password fields
[08:57] <Neil3> click that menu like icon
[08:57] <holyguyver> O alright :) thanks
[08:57] <Neil3> np :)
[09:06] <evil-rhino> how do i launch an X app from the terminal so that it doesn't terminate when the terminal session is?
[09:06] <stdin> evil-rhino: put a '&' after the command
[09:07] <gustavo> have someone ever run a mysql server chrooted? im having getting this error: /usr/local/mysql/libexec/mysqld: File './mysql-bin.index' not found (Errcode: 13)
[09:08] <twylight> anyone here?
[09:11] <holyguyver> Alright I am back :)
[09:11] <holyguyver> So what problems was that error causing?
[09:12] <stdin> none
[09:12] <holyguyver> well then I have a bigger problem on my hands then :(
[09:12] <twylight> is there a command that will cause zlib to be downloaded?
[09:13] <twylight> because for some reason unknown to me, I don't have zlib
[09:13] <holyguyver> stdin was your in the room about 5 days ago when I originally appeared in here?
[09:13] <stdin> twylight: "sudo apt-get install zlib1g"  but it really should be installed already
[09:13] <twylight> thanks
[09:14] <stdin> holyguyver: possibly
[09:14] <twylight> yeah, it is installed
[09:14] <twylight> strange
[09:15] <holyguyver> If so then you know that I have been trying to switch to linux for the past 3 years since I bought this computer, but some error somewhere is causing it to after around 10  to 15 minutes of running, even if I am not running any programs to slow down so slow that it takes about 25 minutes to open a program.
[09:15] <twylight> trying to compile c code and it's not working, saying I don't have zlib
[09:16] <stdin> twylight: that's because you need the -dev packages for compiling, should be installed with build-essential
[09:16] <holyguyver> it does this slow down thing even if the OS is DamnSmallLinux
[09:16] <twylight> thanks
[09:16] <twylight> thanks
[09:17] <twylight> I'm trying to compile freeciv to put up on my website so I can run it via shell access
[09:17] <twylight> if that will work at all
[09:17] <stdin> holyguyver: I've never experienced that on any system, so I have no clue why it would do that
[09:17] <twylight> it's an experiment
[09:17] <holyguyver> I only have 125MB RAM, but still then DamnSmall, Puppy, or Slax should work fine, & they don't :(
[09:18] <stdin> twylight: isn't that already in the repos?
[09:18] <twylight> hmm?
[09:18] <stdin> !info freeciv-server
[09:18] <ubotu> freeciv-server: Civilization turn based strategy game (server files). In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.8-3 (feisty), package size 416 kB, installed size 1060 kB
[09:18] <stdin> yep, it's there
[09:18] <twylight> yeah, but I don't have root access to the server I'm trying to install it on
[09:19] <twylight> I can't apt-get it on there
[09:19] <holyguyver> & we have already checked & there is no upgrade avaluble for my BIOS.
[09:20] <stdin> twylight: how can you be sure the dependencies of freeciv are going to be installed on the server? or that it's even the same architecture (or OS) as you're running?
[09:20] <twylight> I've asked the person that owns the server
[09:21] <twylight> it's debian based
[09:21] <twylight> so I know it's compatible with what I'm trying to run
[09:21] <stdin> twylight: and it has the same versions of all the libs you have?
[09:21] <twylight> and I'm still getting the zlib error after installing build-essentials
[09:21] <twylight> stdin: so I've been told
[09:22] <stdin> twylight: not likely I have to say, it's best to compile it on the server itself   the version of debian it's running is probably "stable" so the libs will certainly be older
[09:22] <holyguyver> Well, I am hoping that you was wrong & that indeed that error was causing that problem & that now it is fixed :D
[09:23] <twylight> so upload the source code and compile it there
[09:23] <twylight> right
[09:23] <twylight> thanks
[09:23] <twylight> you guys are always helpful
[09:23] <stdin> twylight: we try :)
[09:23] <twylight> even when I'm doing something stupid that I'm oblivious to
[09:24] <niels_> ubotu: !adeptfix
[09:24] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:24] <holyguyver> so stdin what do you think are the chances that that error was causing that problem of mine?
[09:24] <twylight> basically
[09:25] <twylight> my website is hosted on another site
[09:25] <twylight> but I have a domiain name
[09:25] <stdin> holyguyver: not high, that "error" basically does nothing. it's more a warning than an error
[09:25] <twylight> this is all irrelevant
[09:25] <holyguyver> what is it warning me of?
[09:25] <twylight> I have shell access to that server
[09:25] <twylight> and FTP access to my website's directory
[09:26] <twylight> so I put the source code in my website's directory
[09:26] <twylight> compile it there
[09:26] <stdin> twylight: if it was hosted on your system you could just apt-get it, so I already figured it was on another server
[09:26] <twylight> and run it from here and see if it works
[09:26] <twylight> this is just a test to see if I can run programs that are on that server
[09:26] <holyguyver> !warning
[09:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about warning - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:26] <twylight> trying with freeciv because I've been playing that game since 1.4.1
[09:27] <twylight> right, starting to upload the source now
[09:28] <holyguyver> stdin if it is morte of a warning, what is it warning me of?
[09:28] <emilsedgh> anyone knows a good rts game in the form of AgeOfEmpires? thats the only thing that i really miss...
[09:28] <twylight> uploadint 1455 files
[09:28] <stdin> holyguyver: that you don't have a wacom tablet device connected
[09:29] <holyguyver> emilsedgh: I know of one
[09:29] <emilsedgh> holyguyver: really?! tell me...
[09:29] <twylight> emil: you could buy transgaming cedega and play the actual age of empires
[09:29] <twylight> holy: I'd also like to know of this game
[09:30] <emilsedgh> twylight: no, i really dont want to run non-freesoftware, the wifi driver is enough :)
[09:30] <stdin> there is stratagus (package stratagus-gl)  it's like WarCraft II
[09:30] <holyguyver> Well a friend of mine gave me the link to it & I d/led it, but I can't remember the link & I can only somewhat remember the name & it is multiplatform & I have the windows version on that computer of mine, so I can't tell you saidly, but it's name was something like Wasnoth or something like that.
[09:30] <twylight> battle for wesnoth
[09:31] <twylight> that's turn based
[09:31] <emilsedgh> no, Wesnoth is not RTS, thats Turn-Based :( I know a few RTS games but none of them is really good
[09:31] <twylight> and not really like AOE at all
[09:31] <twylight> your best bet would be to invest in cedega
[09:32] <twylight> it's an emulator for windows ( kind of ) that allows the use of windows games
[09:32] <twylight> I'm not 100% sure how it works
[09:32] <twylight> but I know it works
[09:32] <holyguyver> why not use WINE?
[09:32] <jussi01> !wine
[09:32] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:32] <jussi01> wine is not bad either
[09:32] <emilsedgh> twylight: I think wine can run AOE, but i want to use a Free Game
[09:32] <jussi01> !games
[09:32] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[09:32] <twylight> wine isn't that reliable
[09:33] <jussi01> twylight: how so?
[09:33] <twylight> emil: go to sourceforge, look in real time strategy games, hopefully find something you like that's in alpha or beta stage
[09:34] <twylight> jussi: it can be unstable and not fully supportive of some windows applications
[09:34] <holyguyver> only if you configure it badly
[09:34] <twylight> !crossover
[09:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about crossover - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:34] <jussi01> twylight: I understand it doenst support some stuff, but unstable??
[09:35] <twylight> some applications I have run using it have crashed for no reason
[09:35] <jussi01> http://www.codeweavers.com/
[09:35] <twylight> *cough alpha centauri*
[09:35] <holyguyver> from my understanding if configured currectly it is very styable & can support lots of stuff.
[09:35] <jussi01> holyguyver: thats correct
[09:35] <twylight> well I must be doing something wrong
[09:36] <jussi01> twylight: sounds that way. however you are right, to a point. cedega supports more games
[09:36] <twylight> but it costs money
[09:36] <jussi01> twylight: the outlay is minimal, and it saves a lot of time and hassle
[09:36] <twylight> and I switched to linux because of it's functionality and the wide availibility of free software to do what I want
[09:37] <holyguyver> & wine is one of thos freesoftware that can do what you want :p
[09:37] <twylight> at any rate, emil, your best bet is to troll sourceforge for something meeting your requirements
[09:38] <twylight> maybe you'll find something, maybe you won't
[09:38] <twylight> but it's almost certainly where you'll find something if it's there
[09:38] <twylight> wow that was redundant
[09:39] <holyguyver> well stdin so far I have been on a long time & nothing has slowed down so I am hoping it worked :D
[09:39] <emilsedgh> twylight: i did
[09:39] <emilsedgh> twylight: the best one i found is glob2, which is really fun, but im tired of playing it
[09:39] <twylight> not much more I can say
[09:39] <holyguyver> twylight you are female?
[09:40] <twylight> I am indeed
[09:40] <emilsedgh> holyguyver: and please say 'emilsedgh' to highlit me, use Tab for autocompletion :)
[09:40] <holyguyver> amazing a female linux user I am impressed :)
[09:40] <twylight> however I refuse to show pictures of myself or divulge information regarding my location
[09:40] <zeicron> Hello.
[09:40] <holyguyver> I wasn't asking :p
[09:41] <zeicron> How's everybody doing tonight?
[09:41] <twylight> not bad, you?
[09:41] <holyguyver> I was simply saying I am impressed to know of a woman that uses linux :p
[09:41] <zeicron> Err, not too good, actually.
[09:41] <zeicron> my x1950pro is giving me a hard time.
[09:41] <zeicron> Can't find the right drivers.
[09:42] <stdin> holyguyver: many women do, infact one of the core devs is a female
[09:42] <LordBacon> of course not, you're on irc
[09:42] <holyguyver> That is fantastic news stdin :)
[09:43] <twylight> ok
[09:43] <twylight> what's the shell command to unzip a .gz file?
[09:43] <LordBacon> gunzip file
[09:43] <twylight> thanks
[09:43] <twylight> I've been kde spoiled
[09:44] <stdin> twylight: depends, .gz is "gunzip file", tar.gz is "tar xzf file"
[09:44] <twylight> tar.gz
[09:44] <stdin> then tar is what you want
[09:44] <twylight> thanks
[09:44] <twylight> :)
[09:44] <holyguyver> It is just I love to hear of girls who use FLOSS because some women I know are too stupid to stop using propiatary software *Cough girlfriend refuses to use firefox in favor of IE Cough*
[09:45] <zeicron> How can I enable "restricted" Repository?
[09:45] <stdin> zeicron: KMenu > System > Adept Manager    File -> Manage Repositories
[09:45] <zeicron> Thank you.
[09:46] <holyguyver> I have installed fx on her PC 3 times, & the second I leave she uninstalls it
[09:46] <JimmyDee> !ati
[09:46] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:47] <twylight> it's because micro$oft has tricked the common user into thinking anything but proprietary software is bad for their computers
[09:47] <stdin> offtopic chat  #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:48] <zeicron> Urgh
[09:48] <zeicron> I wish there was some sort of "remote assistance".
[09:48] <zeicron> I'm having a really hard time installing my video card drivers :(
[09:48] <twylight> isn't there a remote desktop feature of kubuntu?
[09:49] <JimmyDee> zeicron what kinda card you have?
[09:49] <holyguyver> yes there is
[09:49] <twylight> Krdc
[09:49] <zeicron> x1950pro is what i have.
[09:49] <zeicron> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide#Enable_.22restricted.22_Repository
[09:49] <twylight> !krdc
[09:49] <zeicron> Is what I should be following.
[09:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about krdc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:49] <twylight> O.o
[09:49] <zeicron> although I'm lost
[09:49] <JimmyDee> ati..tryed envy?
[09:49] <holyguyver> !remote
[09:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about remote - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:49] <stdin> twylight: you have looked at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto ?
[09:49] <JimmyDee> !anything
[09:49] <ubotu> So, you wanted to lure me into saying I don't know anything about anything? Yeah, that would be funny, of course. Now leave me alone.
[09:49] <stdin> !envy | don't use it
[09:49] <ubotu> don't use it: envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[09:50] <JimmyDee> well crud
[09:50] <JimmyDee> worked for me
[09:50] <zeicron> You've lost me there.
[09:50] <twylight> !nothing
[09:50] <ubotu> Saying "It says nothing", "It does nothing" is generally not very useful for troubleshooting. Please be as specific as possible: if you see a black screen, say so, if you see a shell prompt, say so, if you see an !error message, say so - Also, most !CLI commands don't print anything when they succeed, but only when they fail.
[09:50] <zeicron> !i hate life :(
[09:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i hate life :( - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:50] <twylight> actually
[09:50] <stdin> !works for me | JimmyDee
[09:50] <ubotu> JimmyDee: Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[09:50] <JimmyDee> I defer to stdin
[09:50] <zeicron> I have no idea what I'm doing :(
[09:50] <twylight> I wonder how many interesting things ubotu says
[09:51] <twylight> like !sex what does that do
[09:51] <stdin> see http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi and find out
[09:51] <stdin> bot abuse get's you a kick, so be warned :)
[09:51] <berkes> has anyone got a good way to open a vnc server on an *existing* kde session, over ssh/cli?
[09:52] <holyguyver> sex does nothing ubotu doesn't know about sex
[09:52] <zeicron> !envy
[09:52] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[09:52] <berkes> I mean: kde has this fancy wizard, but I cannot access that over KIO, or with the commandline
[09:52] <stdin> !info x11vnc
[09:52] <ubotu> x11vnc: VNC server which uses your current X11 session. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-1 (feisty), package size 438 kB, installed size 1104 kB
[09:52] <wayne_1978> Hi folks, is anyone here haveing some time to help a noob with KDE?
[09:52] <holyguyver> however love comes up with something interesting
[09:52] <holyguyver> !love
[09:52] <ubotu> Love is like racing across the frozen tundra on a snowmobile which flips over, trapping you underneath. At night, the ice-weasels come.
[09:52] <twylight> haha
[09:52] <zeicron> !windows
[09:52] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[09:52] <stdin> !botabuse
[09:52] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[09:53] <berkes> stdin: thanks a lot. I am running tightvnc, guess switching is the way to go.
[09:53] <twylight> or your nearest mental health institute, that's great
[09:53] <twylight> !penguins
[09:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about penguins - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:53] <zeicron> !linus
[09:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linus - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:53] <zeicron> :O
[09:53] <wayne_1978> ok
[09:53] <twylight> someone needs to add a comment about penguins to ubotu right away XD
[09:53] <stdin> twylight, zeicron: stop the botabuse, /msg ubotu something        instead of spamming the channel
[09:54] <twylight> right, sorry
[09:54] <wayne_1978> so I'm right that nobody's here able helping someone with a small KDE problem
[09:55] <stdin> wayne_1978: helps if you actually ask the question you want to ask
[09:55] <holyguyver> he knows what tx is though twylight
[09:55] <holyguyver> tux
[09:55] <holyguyver> I meant tux
[09:56] <zeicron> Could somebody please help me out with a Wiki tutorial. It would only take a few minutes.
[09:56] <twylight> wayne_1978: we can't answer a question that hasn't been asked
[09:57] <holyguyver> twylight, did you ask ubotu in privet about tux?
[09:57] <twylight> yep
[09:57] <zeicron> Oh well, I guess I'm going to the ubuntu channel for some help. Have a good night.
[09:57] <wayne__1978> if I type 'firefox' in the console it runs...
[09:57] <twylight> right
[09:57] <holyguyver> see it knows tux, knows linux, doesn't know Linus nor Pienguns
[09:58] <twylight> holyguyver: it needs to be updated
[09:58] <twylight> wayne__1978: please continue
[09:58] <stdin> zeicron: same advice to you, helps if you ask the question rather than asking to ask
[09:59] <wayne__1978> twylight: ok - and when I use the KDE editor I can't link firefox with an icon 'cause my firefox runs in /home...
[09:59] <twylight> how did you install firefox?
[10:01] <wayne__1978> twylight: I didn't install firefox. I just unpacked it to /home/Programme because I want to use the update function as user. There wasn't aprevious verison o firefox installed as root.
[10:01] <twylight> ok
[10:01] <twylight> do you have root access?
[10:01] <wayne__1978> if I want, yes
[10:01] <twylight> open up a terminal window
[10:02] <twylight> sudo apt-get install firefox
[10:02] <twylight> that should install it to /usr
[10:03] <Smorg> hi all
[10:03] <Smorg> So... I'm trying to install the game Diablo II on wine.
[10:03] <Smorg> And I broke one of the disks :/
[10:03] <Smorg> but have the images
[10:03] <Smorg> but they are in mdf format because i made them using alcohol
[10:03] <Smorg> mount them like iso images?
[10:03] <twylight> yeah, usr/share/firefox
[10:04] <holyguyver> twylight asking ubotu about IE came up with a slightly funny phrase :p
[10:04] <twylight> that's where it should install to
[10:04] <twylight> holyguyver: lol
[10:04] <stdin> Smorg: you have to convert them to ISO format before you can use them
[10:04] <Smorg> !mount
[10:04] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[10:04] <Smorg> hrm
[10:05] <stdin> !iso | Smorg
[10:05] <ubotu> Smorg: To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[10:05] <Smorg> idk if alcohol can do that
[10:05] <twylight> ugh
[10:05] <twylight> there has to be a better way to do this
[10:05] <twylight> I just got a "could not guess which client to use" error while trying to compile freeciv remotely
[10:05] <twylight> however all the libraries are there
[10:05] <hueterdesgrals_1> wayne__1978 is now hueterdesgrals_1978
[10:06] <stdin> !info mdf2iso | Smorg, use this
[10:06] <ubotu> smorg, use this: mdf2iso: A simple utility to convert mdf to iso / cue / toc images. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.0-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 6 kB, installed size 60 kB
[10:06] <Smorg> aah awesome thanks!
[10:06] <hueterdesgrals_1> @twylight: I'm back :-)
[10:06] <twylight> ok
[10:06] <twylight> open a terminal window
[10:06] <hueterdesgrals_1> is open
[10:07] <twylight> sudo apt-get install firefox
[10:07] <twylight> that should install it to /usr/share/firefox
[10:07] <twylight> or you could just use adept
[10:08] <hueterdesgrals_1> hmm, but this means getting an older version, don't it? Can I easily update that firefox version?
[10:08] <twylight> do you really need the absolute latest version?
[10:09] <hueterdesgrals_1> yes, beacause of some xpis
[10:09] <hueterdesgrals_1> my firefox runs at the momen; I only cnan't ceate al link
[10:09] <twylight> doesn't firefox have an auto updater
[10:09] <holyguyver> Hey twylight ask ubotu "How are you ubotu?" :p
[10:09] <stdin> hueterdesgrals_1: seen https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion  ?
[10:10] <twylight> haha
[10:10] <JimmyDee_> stdin, is it inexorably fubar if you ran envy or the ati manual install, it seems to forget the driver and default to mesa
[10:10] <twylight> this freeciv compile is aggravating me
[10:10] <twylight> it's refusing to work
[10:11] <holyguyver> also asking ubotu "thanks" also is interesting :p
[10:11] <twylight> there must be a better way to do this
[10:11] <stdin> JimmyDee_: if you installed from envy or from the ati site then you need to reinstall it for every kernel and Xorg update, that's why ubuntu provide packages
[10:12] <JimmyDee_> ok youre right there, what of it forgetting the ati driver and defaulting to mesa?
[10:12] <holyguyver> Twylight I found out ubotu's resonce to "Thanks" when it really gave me good info, so I told it thanks :p
[10:12] <stdin> JimmyDee_: I can't say, I've never used ati
[10:13] <twylight> haha
[10:13] <logixoul> Hey. Is there something special I need to do to get DrKonqi backtraces without a 15sec delay?
[10:14] <twylight> !useradd
[10:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about useradd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:14] <twylight> damn
[10:14] <stdin> !man | twylight
[10:14] <ubotu> twylight: The "man" command brings up the Linux manual pages for the command you're interested in. Try "man intro" at the command line, or see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[10:14] <twylight> there has to be a better way
[10:15] <twylight> I used man -k useradd
[10:15] <twylight> it doesn't give any useful info
[10:15] <stdin> helps if you take off the -k
[10:15] <holyguyver> Hey Jucato , remember me? :D
[10:16] <twylight> thanks
[10:16] <Jucato> holyguyver: um... considering how I'm feeling today, um.. nope... sorry..
[10:17] <holyguyver> O alright :p
[10:17] <holyguyver> sorry
[10:17] <Jucato> nah sorry
[10:17] <twylight> my laptop keyboard doesn't have an "end" key
[10:17] <holyguyver> what happened today Jucato?
[10:18] <Jucato> feeling sick
[10:18] <stdin> my laptop keyboard doesn't have an "any" key, been bugging me for years :p
[10:18] <twylight> oh but ctrl+z works
[10:18] <logixoul> twylight: did you look next to scroll lock? :)
[10:18] <Smorg> heh can't do it
[10:18] <Jucato> twylight: it should have one, but usually you have to press another key to make it behave like End
[10:18] <Smorg> sudo mount -o loop /media/sda1/Documents and Settings/Smorg/My Documents/Files/Disk Images/Diablo II/INSTALL.iso /mnt/install
[10:18] <twylight> scroll lock is also my f12 key
[10:18] <Smorg> right?
[10:18] <twylight> we just had a power failure
[10:18] <twylight> again
[10:18] <logixoul> Smorg: you need to escape spaces with \
[10:18] <stdin> Smorg: you mat want to put those paths in quotes
[10:19] <logixoul> ...or that, yes
[10:19] <holyguyver> Jucato Well I am the idiot who was in here about 5 days ago with a linux PC with an error that made it run very slow.
[10:19] <Smorg> after space you need backslash?
[10:19] <twylight> ugh
[10:19] <Jucato> Smorg: before\ like\ this
[10:19] <Smorg> aah ok
[10:19] <twylight> we always get power failures at this time of night
[10:19] <Jucato> "or just do these"
[10:20] <Jucato> holyguyver: oh... were you able to find a fix?
[10:20] <holyguyver> with the power failers comment twylight I was about to ask "wow, where do you live?" but then I remembered that you said you wouldn't tell that :-p
[10:20] <Smorg> you must specify the filesystem type?
[10:20] <spark_> heyho evryone
[10:20] <twylight> I'll tell you this much
[10:20] <Smorg> image is on ntfs
[10:21] <twylight> ontario is crap for power grid stability
[10:21] <Jucato> Smorg: no, because the type is the cd image (ISO)
[10:21] <logixoul> Guys, are there supposed to be -debug counterparts to all packages? Because ktorrent doesn't have one...
[10:21] <Jucato> logixoul: I don't think all have -dbg ones
[10:21] <Smorg> so use -t iso
[10:21] <holyguyver> Jucato I am not sure stdin just helped me fix one error, he doesn't think that error being fixed should have fixed it, but so far I haven't had any problems sance then :D
[10:21] <twylight> and if you run a traceroute on my machine I will be quite irate
[10:21] <logixoul> Jucato: oh, ok thanks. I'll build then
[10:22] <stdin> Smorg: don't think you have to, only when it doesn't recognise it (and it's  -t iso9660)
[10:22] <Jucato> holyguyver: glad to hear
[10:22] <logixoul> heheh
[10:23] <Smorg> agh, ok maybe i messed up the conversion. we'll try again
[10:23] <Smorg> according to some sites mount can recognise mdf
[10:23] <Smorg> tried that too
[10:23] <logixoul> Ok how about "developer changelogs" in adept? People tend not to fill those, eh?
[10:23] <Smorg> ex: http://lindesk.com/2007/05/how-to-mount-isomdf-images-in-linux/
[10:24] <logixoul> hmm, but `aptitude changelog ktorrent` shows stuff
[10:24] <logixoul> so adept is the one broken :)
[10:24] <spark_> hey guys. is there any way to combine my ntfs partition with my ext3 partition, so i got ONE big ext 3 partition?
[10:24] <Jucato> logixoul: it just fetches the changelogs online
[10:24] <stdin> Smorg: that would only work is the mdf was really an iso, most aren't. it uses some proprietary compression
[10:25] <logixoul> Jucato: but in adept the changelog field is empty, is that normal?
[10:25] <Jucato> that I don't know... but I think there were bugs about that
[10:26] <logixoul> k, thanks
[10:27] <logixoul> spark_: Yep. First, put the data from NTFS somewhere safe (e.g. the ext3 partition, if you have enough space there). Then boot into Kubuntu Live and use Qtparted to delete the ntfs partition and enlarge the ext3 partition (may prove a bit tricky)
[10:27] <twylight> ugh
[10:27] <twylight> I need to compile freeciv
[10:27] <twylight> then tarball it
[10:27] <spark_> so i can't use gparted(works under kde too) to expand my booted partition? :(
[10:27] <twylight> then uncompress it
[10:28] <logixoul> spark_: sure you can...
[10:28] <stdin> spark_: you can't work on any partition that's in use (or any partition on a disk that's in use)
[10:28] <tn> hi
[10:29] <tn> do someone know how to change usb keys mounting options ?
[10:29] <spark_> ok thx guys. so i have to use a live cd... ;)
[10:29] <logixoul> stdin: that second part is false I think. I'm pretty sure I've erased hda2 while hda1 was mounted on /
[10:29] <spark_> cya
[10:29] <tn> without modifying fstab, of course :)
[10:29] <stdin> logixoul: that's formatting, not partitioning (which I was on about)
[10:30] <logixoul> stdin: oh, so what exactly is partitioning? *Creating* partitions?
[10:30] <stdin> logixoul: creating, removing or resizing
[10:30] <stdin> anything that needs to modify the MBR
[10:31] <stdin> erm, MBT actually, not MBR
[10:31] <stdin> I think... :p
[10:31] <stdin> the partition table thing
[10:31] <logixoul> Ahaa, I see.
[10:33] <tn> I have some usb keys with vfat on them. I'd like them to be mounted 664 but not 775.
[10:33] <holyguyver> I can't get mplayer to produce the sounds to my soundcard/speak, what is wrong?
[10:36] <aantipop> the gimp cant save something as .pdf. whats the best way to create a pdf of my collage with low quality loss ?
[10:36] <Smorg> OMG!
[10:36] <Smorg> it worked!
[10:36] <Smorg> <3 kubuntu
[10:36] <logixoul> aantipop: open it in gwenview and print as pdf
[10:36] <logixoul> ...maybe
[10:36] <aantipop> and save from gimp as ?
[10:37] <logixoul> png
[10:37] <Chousuke> something lossless
[10:37] <aantipop> like ?
[10:37] <Chousuke> yeah. like png
[10:37] <logixoul> png
[10:37] <Chousuke> but make sure it's lossless
[10:37] <aantipop> i have no clue about image formats and their quality ;)
[10:37] <Chousuke> AFAIK png can be both lossy and lossless, but I'm not sure :/
[10:37] <holyguyver> Does anyone know hot I may get MPlayer to prodice sound?
[10:38] <Smorg> They said I couldn't install games at school in class.
[10:38] <logixoul> aantipop: png is cool and standard but can't animate, gif has few colors but can animate, jpeg makes tiny files but they only look when they're photos. that's all you need to know :)
[10:38] <Smorg> so i'm bringing qemu
[10:39] <logixoul> s/look/look good/
[10:39] <Smorg> so i'm not... "installing" anything
[10:39] <Smorg> hehe
[10:39] <logixoul> heh
[10:39] <aantipop> logixoul: thanks for that little introduction :)
[10:39] <holyguyver> does anyone here use mplayer?
[10:39] <logixoul> holyguyver: yeah, I use it for videos embedded in Konq
[10:40] <logixoul> via kmplayer
[10:40] <holyguyver> well I need a little help with an mplayer problem I am having
[10:41] <holyguyver> mplayer for me un kubuntu for some reasion is up, is playing the song, but is not sending any sound to my soundcard...?
[10:41] <logixoul> check your volume -- on the speakers and in the mixer
[10:42] <holyguyver> I already did, my mixer is fine, all other sound apps are fine
[10:42] <holyguyver> my speakers are fine
[10:42] <logixoul> you could try xine
[10:42] <holyguyver> what is xine?
[10:42] <logixoul> the same as mplayer, but separate
[10:43] <twylight> has anyone else noticed an extremely high download/upload speed on kubuntu?
[10:43] <holyguyver> no no no that is not what I mean
[10:43] <holyguyver> I have other apps that can do that, but I am wondering why mplayer is messing up?
[10:43] <logixoul> twylight: nope...
[10:44] <twylight> because I always get speeds of like 1mbps
[10:44] <logixoul> holyguyver: dunno ask in #mplayer
[10:44] <twylight> whereas on my desktop windows machine on the same connection I get 25kbps
[10:44] <twylight> does windows cap download speeds?
[10:45] <logixoul> twylight: no
[10:45] <twylight> strange
[10:48] <jmdwyer> hey stdin
[10:48] <twylight> I need another hundred cans of jolt
[10:48] <twylight> I've got this bet with my friend
[10:48] <twylight> who can stay up the longest
[10:48] <twylight> currently I'm at 72 hours
[10:49] <jmdwyer> is stdin still stding in?
[10:49] <stdin> jmdwyer: I'm only just about here :)
[10:49] <twylight> he hasn't said anything for a while
[10:49] <twylight> I stand corrected
[10:50] <jmdwyer> you sir, gave me the key to making compiz fusion work on my box
[10:50] <twylight> right, trying the comile again
[10:50] <stdin> did I now?
[10:51] <jmdwyer> yes, you said "you have to reinstall the ati driver for every kernel..." well there aint no restricted drivers for the server kernel in amd64 land
[10:51] <twylight> stdin: I keep getting a "error: could not guess which client to compile"
[10:51] <twylight> what does that mean?
[10:51] <jmdwyer> so I changed to low latency and wham wobbly windows
[10:51] <stdin> jmdwyer: ahh, well ok then :p
[10:51] <jmdwyer> its wow
[10:52] <Smorg> ok so this instilation requires multiple disks and you have to swap them during the instilation. Where do i have to mount the new disk for wine to detect that it is there
[10:52] <Smorg> just unmount the first one and remount the second?
[10:52] <Smorg> and has to be in the same place?
[10:52] <twylight> smorg: I would imagine so
[10:52] <jmdwyer> what are you trying to wine?
[10:52] <Smorg> diablo II
[10:52] <stdin> twylight: I'm guessing (ie: I have no clue, but) it may need some configure option to choose what client it want to compile.  read the README and INSTALL files and look at "./configure --help"
[10:52] <Smorg> 4 disks
[10:52] <twylight> thanks
[10:53] <Smorg> but I only have isos for em
[10:53] <jmdwyer> my guess its gonna be ./configure --with-blahblah something
[10:53] <jmdwyer> loop mount the iso's
[10:53] <twylight> k
[10:53] <jmdwyer> smorg
[10:53] <Smorg> what does loop do?
[10:54] <jmdwyer> makes iso's mount far as I know
[10:54] <twylight> god I'm tired
[10:54] <jmdwyer> something to the order of sudo mount -o loop myfilename.iso /media/cdrom0
[10:54] <stdin> "loop" is incredibly complicated to explain, just know you need to "loop mount" any file you want to mount that isn't a device
[10:55] <Smorg> gotcha
[10:55] <twylight> if all else fails, read the readme (actually I should have done that first so sue me)
[10:55] <jmdwyer> theres a space between the iso and the / there
[10:55] <jmdwyer> I'm from cali, I might just do that
[10:56] <jmdwyer> I'mma sue stdin, he's got my desktop all wobbly and now I'll never get anything done lookin at the eyecandy
[10:56] <logixoul> heh
[10:57] <twylight> well I figured out the problem
[10:57] <Jucato> :)
[10:57] <twylight> the server doesn't have a window system
[10:57] <twylight> that's why it's not compiling
[10:57] <Smorg> works just to mount to the same /mnt place
[10:57] <Smorg> under the proper disk name
[10:57] <twylight> it's saying to me "there's no window system to create a client for"
[10:58] <Smorg> so long as it matches what the name of the disk should match i guess
[10:58] <twylight> which means I must install nethack instead
[10:58] <stdin> you know, #winehq is a goof place to ask questions about wine, just fyi
[10:59] <Smorg> o yea?
[10:59] <Smorg> thx
[10:59] <stdin> s/goof/good/
[11:00] <Smorg> haha nice... theres a channel for everything!
[11:00] <Smorg> sorry kids like me who don't rtfm come to bother ;)
[11:01] <twylight> how do I uncompress a .tgz file?
[11:01] <logixoul> twylight: rightclickextract
[11:01] <twylight> command line interface
[11:01] <twylight> that's all I've got access to
[11:01] <logixoul> tar xvzf somefile.tgz
[11:01] <logixoul> or something
[11:02] <twylight> thanks
[11:02] <twylight> using filezilla to upload the files because I'm lazy
[11:03] <twylight> and PuTTY to connect to the shell that I'm running my programs on
[11:03] <stdin> you know konqueror does FTP
[11:03] <stdin> and konsole does ssh
[11:03] <twylight> I reject your reality and substitute my own
[11:03] <twylight> :P
[11:03] <stdin> well, I reject your rejections
[11:04] <twylight> well I divide your rejection of my rejections by zero
[11:04] <logixoul> :)
[11:04] <Smorg> uhoh... it froze
[11:04] <Chousuke> I raise a hardware exception
[11:04] <jimmacdonald> hmmm Stdin=$reject|0 >> /dev/null
[11:05] <Smorg> oh gosh, its really frozen, can't even force it closed
[11:05] <jimmacdonald> looks like Perl gone bad to me...
[11:06] <stdin> why would you use >> for /dev/null ?
[11:06] <twylight> well I just broke the KDE menu bar somehow
[11:06] <jussi01> !kicker
[11:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kicker - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:06] <jussi01> gah
[11:07] <jimmacdonald> stdin: because I am the programmer.... and I CAN! Muhhahahahahaahhahaaha!
[11:07] <Smorg> oh good, answer in their faqs ^^
[11:08] <stdin> jimmacdonald: it's not like you can overwrite /dev/null  (and perl doesn't count as a programming language :P )
[11:08] <jimmacdonald> neither does shell scripting..... but tell that to someone who can't read a shell script.
[11:09] <twylight> how do I re-add the home folder icon to my kde menu bar
[11:10] <twylight> nvm I got it
[11:13] <jimmacdonald> stdin: and sometime I wish I could overwrite /dev/null
[11:14] <stdin> with?
[11:15] <logixoul> overwrite /dev/null? Doesn't that make you the conqueror of death? :)
[11:15] <idefix> is kubuntu better and easier than ubuntu?
[11:15] <logixoul> yeah
[11:15] <idefix> in what way
[11:15] <idefix> ?
[11:16] <stdin> because it has KDE, and KDE rules
[11:16] <jimmacdonald> idefix that depends on what kind of UI your looking for....
[11:16] <idefix> right now I use ubuntu
[11:16] <jimmacdonald> I use both... ubuntu on my desktop  and Kubuntu on my laptop...
[11:16] <jimmacdonald> I like them both...
[11:16] <jimmacdonald> though they both have their strengths and weaknesses.
[11:17] <idefix> for desktops ubuntu is better then?
[11:17] <logixoul> KDE has more options and better technology, as well as a vibrant community that listens to users. GNOME is cleaner.
[11:17] <jimmacdonald> stdin: /dev/+1?
[11:17] <jimmacdonald> idefix: not nessesarily... it's just how I installed them.
[11:18] <idefix> can you switch easily between them if you have dapper?
[11:18] <logixoul> yes
[11:18] <jimmacdonald> it seems to me that Ubuntu is a little more polished as far as application integration...
[11:18] <jimmacdonald> whereas Kubuntu seems to have more software loaded by default.
[11:18] <stdin> !kde
[11:18] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[11:18] <logixoul> idefix: also, the next generation of KDE, version 4, will blow everything else out of the water. Coming to you in December.
[11:18] <stdin> ^ (maybe)
[11:19] <jimmacdonald> or possibly next summer.
[11:19] <logixoul> possibly but not really likely
[11:19] <idefix> ok, but first I need to upgrade to dapper
[11:19] <jimmacdonald> idefix: I also have both GUI's loaded on my lappy.
[11:19] <idefix> ok
[11:19] <idefix> after I upgrade I can just download KDE to it
[11:20] <jimmacdonald> Upgrade to dapper? why aren't you running Fiesty?
[11:20] <idefix> because the ubuntu developers tell me you can only upgrade small steps at a time
[11:20] <stdin> if you want to install KDE from Ubuntu run "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[11:20] <stdin> so you're running breezy ?//
[11:20] <jimmacdonald> idefix: ahh.
[11:21] <jimmacdonald> wow... you are in for a treat.
[11:21] <jimmacdonald> life gets much better after dapper.
[11:21] <idefix> what if I want to get fiesty right away?
[11:21] <idefix> what'll go wrong?
[11:21] <stdin> in a word, yes
[11:21] <idefix> no support!
[11:21] <jimmacdonald> I would reccomend a complete reload to do that...
[11:21] <jimmacdonald> dependencies and all that.
[11:22] <idefix> !dependencies
[11:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dependencies - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:22] <idefix> what depends on what?
[11:22] <stdin> plus the change from init to upstart, then the rename of xserver-xorg-driver-* to xserver-xorg-video-*
[11:23] <idefix> is upgrading to dapper easy? why do you need to backup entire harddisks?
[11:23] <jimmacdonald> idefix: that we as users can't tell you... but if there were changes to breezy in dapper for an app and then that app got changed again in edgy and then again in fiesty... well you can see the light at the end of the tunnel and it's not good.
[11:23] <stdin> backup is just always a good idea, even when not upgrading
[11:24] <idefix> aren't the apps supposed to be forward compatible?
[11:24] <jimmacdonald> sysadmin step #1. backup, always and often.
[11:24] <jimmacdonald> yes but you never know.
[11:25] <jimmacdonald> sysadmin step #2. if you don't think you need to backup, do it anyway.
[11:25] <idefix> there's like an updatingiteration process going on in all of ubuntu?
[11:26] <jimmacdonald> sysadmin step #3. if it breaks see #1 if #1 wasn't completed... see HR for your final check.
[11:26] <idefix> !HR
[11:26] <ubotu> za hrvatski dodjite na #ubuntu-hr, da ne zbunjujete engleze.
[11:26] <jimmacdonald> Human Resources.
[11:27] <idefix> the OS upgrades, the programs update.. everything becomes newer.. so if I want to upgrade from ancient OS to stateoftheart OS just do it and get all software you need and you are fine! why do I have to upgrade in three or four steps?
[11:27] <jimmacdonald> data?
[11:27] <jimmacdonald> on the machine?
[11:28] <idefix> if I skip two ubuntu versions data is lost?
[11:28] <jimmacdonald> no what I am saying is if there is data on the machine back it up wipe the disk and start over with the new version.
[11:28] <idefix> I don't have a burner on my machine
[11:29] <jimmacdonald> part of the problem you have, is that before Fiesty there was no functionality to do a distribution upgrade.
[11:30] <idefix> so after fiesty the updating is automated? a new version is uploaded and installed on your machine automatically?
[11:30] <jimmacdonald> if you have no burner then you can't remove the data.....then I would fall back to with Ubuntu told you... upgrade... one step at a time... checking along the way... making sure it keeps working along the way.
[11:31] <jimmacdonald> not automated but much simpler... when gutsy comes out in Oct or there abouts... we will get an alert in our update software that a new distro is avail and a prompt to download the changes.
[11:31] <logixoul> nice
[11:32] <jimmacdonald> logixoul: didn't you get a similar upgrade notice for Fiesty
[11:32] <jimmacdonald> !dist upgrade
[11:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dist upgrade - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:32] <logixoul> jimmacdonald: I was using SUSE before Feisty
[11:35] <jimmacdonald> sorry it was first issued in Dapper https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DapperUpgrades
[11:35] <jimmacdonald> !distupgrade
[11:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about distupgrade - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:35] <jimmacdonald> !upgrade
[11:35] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[11:36] <logixoul> bah, I install new distros on a clean partition and move over the data by hand. At least I know what's going on then.
[11:37] <jimmacdonald> I upgraded the machine I am on with distupgrade and it worked just fine... matter fact it even fixed most of th problems I was having (and probably created myself)
[11:37] <jimmacdonald> logixoul: that may not be for everyone... depending on Linux Literacy.
[11:38] <logixoul> yeah, I know.
[11:39] <logixoul> It's called Mac OS X!
[11:39] <Lynoure> When I do adept_manager --version-upgrade, does it somehow use update-manager though I don't have that package installed?
[11:39] <Lynoure> (sounds like a silly question, I know, but someone in Launchpad set my adept_manager bug to be update-manager bug)
[11:42] <jimmacdonald> Lynoure: I am honestly not sure... I know that Adept is a GUI for the apt software... it's possible it bypasses update_manager and goes straight to apt to get the packages though I am honestly not sure.
[11:42] <Lynoure> jimmacdonald: yes, but then that would be apt, not update-manager...
[11:42] <jimmacdonald> it could e that update-manager also uses apt.
[11:47] <jimmacdonald> I know for instance that clicking on the "fetch updates" button in Adept and running sudo apt-get update from the cmdline are exactly the same thing.
[11:47] <magisu> does any one know how to replace KDE qt-config font substitution engine by default X-windows fontconfig engine?
[11:47] <magisu> thanks
[11:47] <Lynoure> jimmacdonald: yes... but apt is not same thing as update-manager (which is a gnome thing)
[11:48] <jimmacdonald> are you sure?
[11:48] <Lynoure> jimmacdonald: yes. see  apt-cache show apt    vs   apt-cache show update-manager
[11:49] <Lynoure> jimmacdonald: I know for sure that they are not the same thing and that latter is not installed on the system in question
[11:49] <twylight> kde crashed, then everything broke
[11:50] <twylight> I fixed it
[11:50] <jimmacdonald> Lynoure: what I am saying is that Update_manager is a GUI front end for apt...
[11:52] <Lynoure> jimmacdonald: yes. But are you also saying that because adept_manager is also an front end for apt, adept_manager bugs are therefore update-manager bugs?
[11:52] <Lynoure> jimmacdonald: If you are, I'd like to hear the reasoning for that, because in that case there is something I'm not getting at all...
[11:55] <Juno> Can I update to Gutsy without downloading and making a new cd?
[11:55] <Jucato> from Feisty? yes
[11:55] <logixoul> I think you will be able to once Gutsy is released.
[11:55] <jimmacdonald> Lynoure: not nessessarily... different coders, different window managers, same back end... and some of the back end functions have been "tweeked" in the gui...
[11:55] <Jucato> but wait for the release
[11:55] <Lynoure> Juno: you can try adept_manage --version-upgrade   but that's the very thing that crashed for me
[11:56] <Jucato> Lynoure: perhaps you could ask Riddell about that upgrade tool
[11:56] <Juno> When is the official release date?
[11:57] <Juno> I've heard 0ct 2007
[11:57] <Lynoure> Jucato: I'm not sure what to ask anymore as I'm all blabbergasted about it supposedly now being update-manager bug :/
[11:57] <jimmacdonald> Lynoure: I just asked that very question over in #ubuntu and the answer was yes. Update_manager is infact a gui for apt.
[11:57] <Lynoure> jimmacdonald: I never had doubts about that part
[11:57] <jimmacdonald> Lynoure: what happened?
[11:57] <Jucato> Lynoure: well you can ask him about whatever you were asking about earlier :)
[11:57] <Lynoure> jimmacdonald: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/144188
[11:58] <Jucato> for example if it requires update manager to be installed?
[11:58] <Lynoure> Jucato: no, there is no dependency
[11:58] <logixoul> How do I open a TCP port?
[11:59] <logixoul> "Incoming TCP Listen Port"
[11:59] <Lynoure> Jucato: if he is not here, or active, I feel hesitant bothering him. I think I have met him once, but I don't really know the guy
[12:00] <Jucato> Lynoure: iirc you went into #kubuntu-devel last time, and Hobbsee tried to help you right?
[12:01] <Jucato> Lynoure: I'm quite sure that devs will be interested to know about bugs. But why did Launchpad put update-manager as the affected package?
[12:01] <Lynoure> Jucato: Someone called Marco Maini did
[12:01] <Lynoure> Jucato: I assume he is a devel, too?
[12:02] <Jucato> if he has powers to change bug details, yes :)
[12:03] <otzku> Hello. I have a question, how does the "translate this application" button work?
[12:03] <jimmacdonald> Lynoure: I am not sure why you would run anything as "sudo kdesu" I would imagine that if you ran it just as sudo it would work. I think the difference between sudo and kdesu is that sudo is specifically root previledged whereas kdesu is simply an elevated user state.
[12:03] <Jucato> Lynoure: you're upgrading from Feisty to Gutsy or Edgy to Feisty?
[12:03] <Lynoure> jimmacdonald: it did not...
[12:03] <logixoul> otzku: https://launchpad.net/rosetta
[12:04] <otzku> logixoul: Thank you.
[12:04] <Lynoure> Jucato: to Gutsy, but I'm not currently at that system.
[12:04] <logixoul> otzku: np
[12:04] <Jucato> ok
[12:05] <jimmacdonald> Lynoure: according to your bug report you tried to run it as kdesu and it failed but then you tried to run it as sudo kdesu and it worked.... I suspect that was because you used sudo and it gave you root permissions whereas running as kdesu did not.
[12:05] <Lynoure> Jucato: just don't want the bug to be burried in gnome bugs before anyone even tries it...
[12:05] <twylight> well I've proven that I can't remotely run apps that I installed
[12:05] <Jucato> Lynoure: <Jucato> does the adept upgrade tool depend on update-manager?
[12:05] <Jucato> Lynoure: <Riddell> Jucato: no, but it comes from the same source package
[12:05] <logixoul> Jucato: the former is the actual Rosetta thing, while the latter is the project for Rosetta development
[12:05] <Lynoure> jimmacdonald: sudo would not have worked at all without copying the .Xauthority over... cannot be the way it needs to work for mainstream people
[12:06] <otzku> Another question, what do i need to set up in order to remotely log into my other ubuntu box?
[12:06] <Jucato> logixoul: so in that case... translations.launchpad.net is the right URL?
[12:06] <logixoul> Jucato: yes
[12:07] <jimmacdonald> Jucato: so what he is saying is that update_manager (for Gnome) and adept(for KDE) are the same source code tweaked for each window manager?
[12:08] <Jucato> jimmacdonald: um. not exactly correct... but close
[12:08] <Jucato> a single source (code) package can have multiple binary packages (.deb)
[12:08] <jimmacdonald> Jucato: please enlighten this young padawan.
[12:08] <Jucato> um. I'm running w/ a slight fever today so....
[12:09] <fork> http://www.pennergame.de/ref.php?refid=1422950
[12:10] <otzku> I feel like I could spam someone with questions atm. But ill stick with trusty google.
[12:13] <Jucato> Lynoure: perhaps update-manager-core is installed? (you can just check later)
[12:13] <Lynoure> Jucato: I will, when I'm home...
[12:14] <Lynoure> Jucato: but I think making it update-manager bug drops the chance of a kubuntu user verifying that bug to 0
[12:14] <jimmacdonald> Jucato: so your just going to let me sit here and be stupid?  :)
[12:14] <Jucato> perhaps you didn't see what I mentioned earlier?
[12:14] <Jucato> (for both Lynoure and jimmacdonald)
[12:15] <jimmacdonald> I did... I am just teasing you.
[12:15] <Lynoure> Jucato: I saw all you wrote, just do not know what you mean now...
[12:17] <holyguyver> when koqu tells me access denied in a sertion section, what do I do to tell korqu to let me in?
[12:17] <Lynoure> Jucato: did you test adept_manager --version-upgrade yourself? Or know someone who did?  I haven't been able to find anyone not taking the apt-get dist-upgrade route (which is not what will be officially recommended, if I understood right...)
[12:17] <Jucato> jimmacdonald: think of it this way. there are a group of packages or apps that each have individual binary packages (.deb packages), but in reality are all part of one big source code group. During the building of packages, the building tool compiles the single source code package into the multiple, separate binary packages
[12:17] <emilsedgh> holyguyver: kdesu konqueror run it
[12:17] <Jucato> Lynoure: I can't. I'm already on gutsy
[12:17] <holyguyver> emilsedgh how do I do that?
[12:18] <emilsedgh> holyguyver: Kmenu->Run Command
[12:18] <holyguyver> thanks
[12:18] <Jucato> holyguyver: Alt+F2, "kdesu konqueror"
[12:18] <Jucato> runs Konqueror with sudo privileges
[12:19] <Jucato> Lynoure: update-manager (the GNOME app) has the same source code package as update-manager-core (which isn't exclusively GNOME)
[12:19] <Jucato> Launchpad tracks bugs based on source packages it seems
[12:20] <Jucato> if there isn't anything else...
[12:20] <jimmacdonald> Jucato: thanks for the education... hope you feel better ...
[12:20] <holyguyver> Worked Thanks :D
[12:21] <Jucato> thanks
[12:21] <Lynoure> Jucato: yes, I got that... Just sad no one will test it now, if the devs will not.
[12:22] <Jucato> jimmacdonald: just a concrete example before I go. kmail, korganizer, kontact, akregator, etc. all have separate binary packages which you install individually. but they are all part of the single kdepim (KDE PIM applications) source package
[12:22] <Lynoure> (because average kubuntu user will not go to update-manager bugs to see it, and if it turns out to be about kdesu permissions, it will be misdiagnosed completely)
[12:22] <Jucato> jimmacdonald: you can test this by doing "apt-get source kmail" to download the source package for kmail.you'll see that it downloads kdepim
[12:23] <Jucato> Lynoure: how did you nkow that devs will not test it?
[12:23] <Jucato> know*
[12:23] <Lynoure> Jucato: "if the devs will not"
[12:23] <Jucato> also, perhaps the the bug *is* in the update-manager source code
[12:24] <Jucato> so the appropriate devs who work on update-manager will know it because it has been assigned to the correct source package
[12:25] <Jucato> Lynoure: btw, were you able to get a proper backtrace to upload to the bug report?
[12:25] <Lynoure> Jucato: there is just the strace, so far...
[12:25] <Jucato> I think they prefer backtraces over straces for crashes
[12:26] <jimmacdonald> Jucato: gotcha... thanks
[12:27] <Lynoure> Jucato: I'll can try to submit it if anyone wants it... they come much less naturally to me.
[12:29] <Jucato> !away > solid_liq
[12:29] <Jucato> !language > solid_liq
[12:29] <holyguyver> Alright, next quesation, how do I make it so that I always have permissions?
[12:29] <martijn81> is compizfusion also available for feisty?
[12:30] <logixoul> holyguyver: add your user to the root group
[12:30] <jussi01> !compiz | martijn81
[12:30] <ubotu> martijn81: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:30] <Jucato> martijn81: no. feisty has the same compiz/beryl separation
[12:30] <Jucato> holyguyver: that really depends on what you're trying to have permissions for
[12:31] <Jucato> some things in the filesystem are not meant to be modified by regular user accounts
[12:32] <holyguyver> I am the owner of this computer, & I just simply don't want it to be able to tell me no
[12:32] <martijn81> thanks
[12:33] <Smorg> mount: could not find any free loop device
[12:33] <Jucato> holyguyver: you may be the owner of that computer, but do you know everything about how it works that you can confidently rename, move, delete or edit any file or folder?
[12:33] <Smorg> after umounting everything... still happens though
[12:34] <logixoul> Jucato: if he doesn't know what will happen, then he won't do it, and there will be no problems
[12:34] <holyguyver> that is not what I am trying to do Jucato, I just simply don't want to ask permission every time I want to install an MPlayer skin
[12:34] <Jucato> holyguyver: that said, you can still gain temporary access to almost anything using sudo or kdesu. but just because you can. doesn't mean you should right?
[12:34] <stdin> Smorg: try "sudo losetup -d /dev/loop0"
[12:34] <stdin> holyguyver: then install it in your home directory
[12:34] <Jucato> logixoul: not if he becomes part of the root group or whatever
[12:34] <holyguyver> it only finds them in the usr/share/mplayer/skins directory
[12:35] <Jucato> holyguyver: you don't need to do that in places where you don't have access
[12:35] <stdin> holyguyver: it looks in ~/.mplayer/skins/ too
[12:35] <Jucato> it will find them in your home directory too
[12:35] <Jucato> *if* it has something in them in the first place
[12:35] <logixoul> Jucato: becoming part of the root group will mean he _can_ do anything, not that he _will_ do it ;) we're assuming he's not an idiot
[12:35] <wers> Jucato, I'm now using QtCurve.. I don't know if it is heavier than plastik but it sure is more aesthetically pleasing and is lighter than Polyester.... hehe
[12:35] <stdin> logixoul: non idiots make mistakes
[12:36] <Jucato> logixoul: I'm not assuming that he is. but I'm assuming that not everyone (not even me) doesn't/can't make mistakes
[12:36] <holyguyver> I sure you guys I have been using computers since 1985, if I do not know what it is or does, I am not screwing with it
[12:37] <Jucato> wers: you can make KDE and GNOME/GTK apps both use QtCurve to give the **illusion** of similarity
[12:37] <logixoul> (you can do the same, albeit with a few quirks, with any KDE widgetstyle, via gtk-qt-engine)
[12:38] <Jucato> but QtCurve has a native GTK engine
[12:38] <wers> uhmmm.. is the QtCurve for Gtk  2 just the same as choosing my kde style for Gtk apps?
[12:38] <logixoul> Jucato: yep
[12:38] <wers> yep. that's what I'm talking about
[12:38] <wers> are they just the same?
[12:38] <Smorg> works ty :-)
[12:38] <Jucato> wers: install gtk2-engines-qtcurve, then go to System Settings -> Appearance -> GTK Styles and Fonts
[12:38] <Jucato> instead of Use KDE style, select QtCurve from the drop down list
 uhmmm.. is the QtCurve for Gtk  2 just the same as choosing my kde style for Gtk apps? <--- no
[12:39] <wers> ok thanks
[12:39] <logixoul> one wonders how the qtcurve guy has the nerves to maintain the theme twice :)
[12:39] <logixoul> or thrice, with kde4
[12:40] <Jucato> s/nerves/heroism/
[12:40] <logixoul> hehe.
[12:40] <stdin> and the time
[12:40] <Jucato> heroes *make* time
[12:40] <Jucato> that's why I don't have time to be here right now
[12:41] <wers> what is the app for gnome styles again?
[12:41] <wers> gnome-style-chooser?
[12:41] <galea> quick question; generally does konversation allow dcc transfer, do i hv to set it up, or should i use something else?
[12:41] <Jucato> wers: install gtk2-engines-qtcurve, then go to System Settings -> Appearance -> GTK Styles and Fonts
[12:41] <Jucato> galea: it allows it by default. but I think it depends on which port you connected to in the server
[12:42] <pluyo> hi
[12:42] <stdin> galea: it does allow them, if you're behind a router/firewall you'll have to set it to use static port numbers and forward/open those ports
[12:42] <galea> no, directly connected from modem..no router/firewall (unless kb has one bujilt in)
[12:43] <stdin> galea: well it does, but it does nothing by default. so you should just be able to use it
[12:44] <Jucato> stdin: can't recall, but doesn't being on port 8001 block DCC's?
[12:44] <Jucato> !exploit
[12:44] <ubotu> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[12:44] <stdin> Jucato: dcc should be a direct IP -> IP connection  (I think)
[12:45] <galea> hmm using 6667
[12:45] <stdin> DCC = Direct Client-to-Client
[12:45] <galea> hmm ok just thought i would ask
[12:45] <holyguyver> So now that it has been discused & the pros & cons mentioned, how do I add myself to the root group?
[12:46] <Jucato> holyguyver: you are already in the "admin" group, which is the group that can use sudo
[12:47] <holyguyver> but I don't want to have to bother with having to go to kdesu every time I want to enter a serton folder
[12:47] <pluyo> when i try to install any nvidia-glx package the system tryes to install also the old version of the kernel and its accesories packages (linux-image-2.6.20-15-386 linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-15-386), how can i fix it?
[12:47] <Jucato> holyguyver: you don't have to. you can enter/read any folder. what you can't do is modify them
[12:47] <logixoul> holyguyver: you need to be in the root group as well, afaik
[12:48] <holyguyver> well that is what I meant, modify one
[12:48] <holyguyver> well since I installed this computer I am sure I know the root password :p
[12:49] <Jucato> there is no root password (by default)
[12:49] <holyguyver> well it is good to make a root password for sacurety reasions
[12:50] <logixoul> it is?
[12:50] <Jucato> !sudo
[12:50] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[12:50] <holyguyver> but I want !full
[12:50] <holyguyver> !full
[12:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about full - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:51] <stdin> it's good to *not* have a root password for security reasons, and seeing as you seem to want to be root all the time I doubt you're thinking of security
[12:51] <holyguyver> you are indeed right stdin
[12:52] <holyguyver> at least I am honost :p
[12:52] <pluyo> perhaps my question seems silly but it'snt because i have another system with the nvidia-glx-new package installed and working without the old version of kernel installed
[12:52] <holyguyver> by the way stdin you must have fixed my earlier problem because it is gone :D
[12:54] <holyguyver> so here is what I really want, I want to be able to modify any thing on my computer that I want (doesn't mean I will) without having to do anything special. so whatever you want to call that, I wish to do that.
[12:55] <stdin> then I suggest you look in system settings for the way to do that
[12:55] <otzku> Anyone know how BIOS works? :)
[12:55] <ardchoille> holyguyver: Use sudo. One of the reasons it's good to have a locked root account is if I wanted to break into your computer, I know you have a root account and I can try to brute force it. I can't brute force a locked root account.
[12:55] <stdin> and think about if you really do want to, as one miss-click or wrong command and *poof* say goodbye to your system
[12:55] <ardchoille> holyguyver: And I can't brute force user accounts because I don't know the usernames
[12:56] <holyguyver> I am in sys setting, & I am looking into doing that, but I am not sure if I have already done it or not
[12:57] <holyguyver> ardchoille what you have said does consern me, however it does not concern me enough to make me not want to be able to do things more easily on my computer
[12:58] <ardchoille> holyguyver: Typing "sudo" before a command, or "kdesu" before a gui call, isn't that difficult.
[12:58] <holyguyver> yes it is, it is more hassel then I want
[12:59] <ardchoille> holyguyver: sudo is supported, I won't (and others won't either) support circumventing it
[12:59] <pluyo> does anybody read me or nobody knows the answer?
[12:59] <holyguyver> stdin is there any documentation that can tell me how to do it then?
[12:59] <ardchoille> pluyo: Read ya, it could be that the folks looking at their screen right now don't know enough to help.
[12:59] <stdin> pluyo: make sure you have "linux-generic" installed and try again, also a post of the output of "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx" to pastebin would help
[12:59] <pluyo> thans ardchoille
[01:00] <gustavo> by all
[01:00] <gustavo> *bye all
[01:01] <stdin> holyguyver: asking how to do that is like asking "Hi, can you show me how to open a big gaping security hole in my system?"  so I doubt there is documentation on how to do that
[01:01] <holyguyver> so if I go to google or something & type in "Cercumventing sudo Kubunto" I may find an answer then? :p
[01:01] <stdin> helps if you spell "Kubuntu" right too
[01:02] <holyguyver> well you know what I meant :p
[01:02] <stdin> yeah, but google won't
[01:02] <ardchoille> !sudo | holyguyver
[01:02] <ubotu> holyguyver: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[01:02] <holyguyver> I would type it currectly on google, that was a typo
[01:03] <ardchoille> s/currectly/correctly/
[01:03] <holyguyver> you gues have it !sudo a hundred times now, stop, can't you see I don't care :"p
[01:04] <ardchoille> holyguyver: You're asking for help, these folks are trying to help you see that what you want to do is a bad thing.
[01:04] <holyguyver> I want Kavorkian :p
[01:04] <ardchoille> Figures
[01:04] <Inglor> hey, I'm currently running ubuntu 7.04, I want to try kde4 but only in order to test it, I want by default to still have ubuntu, but have KDE as a session option, how do I do that?
[01:04] <casey> can anyone tell me how to fix this?: http://pastebin.com/d676ca220
[01:05] <stdin> Inglor: see the channel topic
[01:05] <ardchoille> !kernel
[01:05] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[01:05] <ardchoille> casey: ^^
[01:05] <holyguyver> !shoot myself in the foot
[01:05] <pluyo> thank you stdin, it was the "linux-generic" package, how did you know it?
[01:06] <ardchoille> holyguyver: Don't laugh, that's exactly what you are trying to do.
[01:06] <stdin> pluyo: was the most likely thing :)
[01:06] <casey> ardchoille: I'm trying to compile a driver...  not a kernel
[01:06] <casey> but I keep getting that error and I never have before
[01:06] <ardchoille> casey: Oh, my bad.
[01:06] <Inglor> stdin, that doesn't really help me that much, I want to install kde4 but that only, and I don't want to fresh install or anything
[01:06] <holyguyver> so, it is not your computer, what is the harm if I shoot myself in the foot?
[01:06] <stdin> casey: yes, but the driver seem to be looking for the source, so you need to install the source (and configure it)
[01:07] <stdin> Inglor: have you read the last link?
[01:07] <casey> stdin: I believe I all ready have the source installed
[01:07] <Inglor> the last link is instructions to install KDE4 under kubuntu, would it work just the same under ubuntu and not change any ubuntu settings like the login screen and such?
[01:07] <pluyo> stidn, i mean how can i fix myself such problems in the future, must i know in my memory all the packages and it's dependancys? i thank that was a work of apt
[01:08] <casey> I compiled my sound driver without an issue.. but this one is giving me problems
[01:08] <holyguyver> I just got this thing running today, if I kill it I will simply reformat & reinstall
[01:08] <stdin> Inglor: instructions work in Ubuntu too
[01:08] <Inglor> stdin, but won't they change any of my settings?
[01:08] <stdin> casey: you sure you have the source (not just headers) and have it configured ?
[01:09] <stdin> Inglor: it just installs KDE4, doesn't touch anything else
[01:09] <ardchoille> holyguyver: The problem is, if you override security, you may not kill it but you will be opening holes for hackers and you may not realise it until they have all your keystrokes and your online bank account (for example) is no longer yours.
[01:09] <Inglor> stdin, ok I'll give it a shot
[01:10] <casey> stdin: it is installed.. what do I have to do to configure it?
[01:10] <holyguyver> but I don't want to open root, I just simply want to be able to modify things without needing to do or type in any other cammands
[01:10] <ardchoille> holyguyver: Of someone else is attempting to hack into www.cia.gov and the men in black show up at your door because hackers took over your box.
[01:11] <holyguyver> as said you are missunderstanding what I want
[01:11] <stdin> casey: copy the /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic file to the source dir as .configure and run "make oldconfig"
[01:11] <ardchoille> holyguyver: It's just not a good idea and you won't get much help here.
[01:11] <stdin> casey: erm, as .config    not .configure
[01:11] <holyguyver> ardchoille you are misunderstanding my idea
[01:11] <holyguyver> you don't understand what I want
[01:12] <ardchoille> holyguyver: And you are misunderstanding how ACL's work
[01:12] <holyguyver> what is acl?
[01:13] <ardchoille> holyguyver: Are you wanting to simply edit system files without having to type "sudo"?
[01:13] <Inglor> are there any liveCDs available with kubuntu + kde4? or another linux with kde4? I'd like to give it a shot on a liveCD first, also, are there ones that come with fglrx?
[01:13] <holyguyver> yes
[01:13] <holyguyver> & without kdesu
[01:13] <ardchoille> holyguyver: If you do that, then your account can edit system files. So, anyone who breaks into your account via a security hole can install a root kit.
[01:14] <ardchoille> Then your box belongs to someone else
[01:14] <holyguyver> what is a root kit?
[01:14] <ardchoille> holyguyver: See? You don't even understand basic security and you are wanting to make your box insecure.
[01:15] <holyguyver> well I was thinking that if I installed a root kit I could take over my computer :)
[01:15] <stdin> Inglor: http://home.kde.org/~binner/kde-four-live/  no fglrx and it's opensuse not kubuntu
[01:15] <ardchoille> holyguyver:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_kit
[01:15] <holyguyver> thank you :)
[01:16] <Inglor> stdin, do those include fglrx on them?
[01:16] <stdin> Inglor: no, I don't think so
[01:16] <Inglor> stdin, well thanks anyway I'll give it a shot regardless
[01:17] <holyguyver> but then you are basicly telling me that I am not my computer's lagetamit owner...
[01:17] <ardchoille> holyguyver: If someone installs a rootkit, then you no longer control your computer, true
[01:18] <casey> stdin: sorry I crashed.  did you ever say what "configuring" my source was?
[01:18] <holyguyver> because if I am it's owner then I should have full permission to do what I want, when I want, even if that means shoot myself, without permission
[01:20] <ardchoille> holyguyver: Use sudo, it's supported. If you want to learn how to circumvent security, go elsewhere.
[01:20] <stdin> casey: yeah, copy the /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic file to the source dir as .config and run "make oldconfig", so if the source is /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.20 then you do "sudp cp /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.20/.config" then from the source run "sudo make oldconfig"
[01:20] <holyguyver> like where?
[01:20] <holyguyver> #hackers
[01:20] <stdin> hacking != cracking
[01:21] <holyguyver> !cracking
[01:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cracking - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:21] <holyguyver> !crack
[01:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about crack - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:21] <martijn81> how do i know on which parition my kubuntu is installed?
[01:21] <ardchoille> Why do I get the feeling he's going to be back in here later wanting help with something he accidentally messed up?
[01:21] <martijn81> seeing i have a dualboot with twice ext3
[01:22] <casey> stdin: when you say "from the source" you mean from /usr/src/linux... right?
[01:22] <stdin> martijn81: use "mount" to see what partition is mounted as root?
[01:22] <stdin> casey: yeah
[01:22] <galea> how do i change my display resolution higher?
[01:22] <casey> whats the shortcut to where you're typing in something and you have the terminal complete it for you?
[01:22] <ardchoille> !fixres | galea
[01:22] <ubotu> galea: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:22] <stdin> casey: tab ?
[01:22] <martijn81> damn, i already did that, but i forgot to look closer
[01:22] <martijn81> thanks stdin!
[01:22] <casey> lol
[01:23] <casey> yup
[01:23] <casey> thanks
[01:23] <holyguyver> so Ardchoille then how do I make it so that kdesu or sudo just automatticly activate permissions for me without having to do anything?
[01:23] <galea> last question for now: iso burner of choice?
[01:23] <ardchoille> holyguyver: I'm sorry, I'm not going to help you with overriding supported system security.
[01:23] <wonko> hokay, so is there any chance of recovering all the files on the still working drives of a broken lvm?
[01:24] <stdin> casey: after that's all done do "sudo ln -s /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.20 /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/source/"  changing /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.20 to point to the right place and then you should be able to compile that module
[01:24] <holyguyver> but it is my system can't it be as insacure as I want it to be?
[01:24] <ardchoille> galea: I use k3b
[01:24] <stdin> galea: k3b is just "the best"
[01:24] <holyguyver> Basicly you are implying that I do not fully own my computer
[01:25] <ardchoille> holyguyver: Please stop
[01:25] <stdin> indeed
[01:25] <holyguyver> but that is what you are saying
[01:25] <holyguyver> you are saying that there is serton parts of my computer that I should not have instant access to
[01:25] <casey> stdin: is said: File exists
[01:25] <galea> apt-get k3b?
[01:26] <ardchoille> galea: sudo apt-get install k3b
[01:26] <galea> yep
[01:26] <stdin> galea: it's already installed by default
[01:26] <galea> too lazy to type it lol
[01:26] <galea> oh
[01:26] <stdin> KMenu > Multimedia > K3B
[01:26] <J-23> Hello!
[01:26] <stdin> casey: what says that?
[01:26] <galea> oh thtqa reconfigure is asking me my X server dirver?
[01:26] <casey> stdin: when I tried the last command you told me
[01:27] <stdin> casey: ok, what does "ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/source" show?
[01:27] <stdin> galea: what make is it?
[01:28] <galea> i dont know..i have a toshiba tecra laptop lol
[01:28] <stdin> galea: what was already selected?
[01:28] <galea> nothign was
[01:28] <rabx> anyone know a ux irc client that is as easy to script as Mirc ?
[01:29] <stdin> galea: in another terminal type in "lspci | grep VGA" and show me what it says
[01:29] <casey> stdin: http://pastebin.com/m3b9b82c4
[01:29] <stdin> rabx: the only client that can use mIrc scripts is mIrc (which can run under wine)
[01:30] <ardchoille> casey: Should that be world writable?
[01:30] <stdin> casey: you're running 2.6.20 but you have the 2.6.22 source ?
[01:31] <stdin> ardchoille: it's a link, all links have those permissions
[01:31] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[01:31] <aguitel> anyone use motherboard asus a8v-vm ultra?
[01:31] <galea> 0:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[01:32] <stdin> galea: ok, do you see an option called "i810" or "intel" ?
[01:32] <casey> stdin: lol... didn't know I had the .22 source
[01:32] <casey> stdin: I apologize I'm still fairly new to this.  for most of the things I've done I just copied the code off forums and sites
[01:32] <rabx> Thanks , but I dont want to particulaly run Mircscript, I want to be able to script easily using whatever scripting a client supports. Mirc and Wine works fine, and I have done so, but Im trying to break away from Vindoze progs altogether
[01:33] <galea> yes
[01:33] <stdin> casey: an easy way to get the source is "apt-get source linux-image-$(umame -r)"
[01:33] <stdin> galea: that's the one you want
[01:33] <galea> now just restart?
[01:34] <holyguyver> well even though he put me on ignore, I just wanted to let everyone know that my quest has ended, I believe I have done it, without help. thank you all for your advise :)
[01:34] <stdin> galea: just restart the X server, logout and choose "Restart the X server" from the menu on the login screen
[01:34] <galea> same as ctrfl alt bckspc?
[01:34] <aguitel> anyone use motherboard asus a8v-vm ultra?
[01:34] <stdin> rabx: konversation can use any scripting language that can call the dcop command
[01:35] <stdin> galea: that's the hard kill way to do it, not recommended
[01:35] <stdin> ok, too late
[01:35] <casey> stdin: if its downloading does that mean I dont have the source?
[01:35] <casey> because synaptic says I do?
[01:36] <casey> this stuff is too confusing sometimes
[01:36] <stdin> casey: it's downloading the source to the directory you're running the command in. it's the most recent source available to you rather than a stock source
[01:36] <rabx> stdin: thanks - Ill investigate that
[01:36] <stdin> rabx: there's #konversation for help with that Sho_ in there is the mastermind :p
[01:37] <casey> stdin: so where should I move it to?
[01:37] <stdin> casey: you don't have to move it anywhere
[01:37] <rabx> cheers n beers all
[01:37] <casey> stdin: i see.  do I need to "configure" this as well?
[01:39] <stdin> casey: you still do, but you don't need sudo now :) copy the config from /boot to .config and run "make oldconfig"  then do "sudo rm /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/source && sudo ln -s . /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/source"
[01:39] <stdin> then you can go back to compiling that module
[01:41] <tzanger> is there a kde equivalent for aptoncd?
[01:41] <angasule> !update
[01:41] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[01:42] <stdin> tzanger: probably not, no
[01:43] <Halicus> Hello, I seem to have lost the use of my usb ports, I have removed and reinstalled udev to no avail. the result being that my usb harddrive is now not even listed, it was previously but became unmountable...
[01:43] <casey> stdin: I'm really sorry...  I dont believe I understand what to do to copy to the .config
[01:44] <tzanger> stdin: didn't think so.  :-)
[01:44] <casey> stdin: because when I tried the "make oldconfig" it didnt work
[01:44] <stdin> casey: "cp /boot/config-2.6.20-16-generic .config"
[01:45] <zed> Hello.
[01:46] <casey> stdin: then I cd /boot and "make oldconfig"?
[01:46] <stdin> casey: no, do that command from the source dir, all the commands are from there (should have probably mentioned that :P )
[01:47] <aguitel> anyone use motherboard asus a8v-vm ultra?
[01:49] <vetall> hi! i have a problem with. i used to have knetworkmanager and decided to try kwlan. it works but connected is broken often. after i installed knetworkmanager back ... it does not see wifi networks anymore. any help?
[01:50] <casey> stdin: I guess I'm lost.  I copied to .config, but I keep getting an error when I try "make oldconfig"
[01:50] <stdin> casey: what error?
[01:51] <casey> stdin: make: *** No rule to make target `oldconfig'.  Stop.
[01:52] <Halicus> any help??
[01:53] <stdin> casey: hmm
[01:53] <casey> stdin: is there a website somewhere where it just shows me the steps to installing the source?  it seems like I'm making this  a lot more complicated then it should be
[01:54] <stdin> casey: take a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild and go as far as the configuration goes (before just "make")
[01:54] <Halicus> all righty then
[01:54] <RivaeAerya> Guys, i'm using a dark color scheme right now and i find it to be much easier on the eyes for me, but i still have one problem... all the pages on the internets have a white background. How can i solve this? something i must change in Konqueror?
[01:56] <testyodude> quesiton: when i start up i am at a black screen..where did my gui go?
[01:56] <emilsedgh> RivaeAerya: you could force your own CSS file to be applied everywhere
[01:56] <RivaeAerya> emilsedgh: how?
[01:56] <emilsedgh> Riddell: Settings :)
[01:57] <RivaeAerya> emilsedgh: I'm not very good at CSS..
[01:58] <emilsedgh> RivaeAerya: body { background-color: black; color: white; } this will make all background colors black
[01:58] <emilsedgh> and text fonts will be white
[02:02] <RivaeAerya> emilsedgh: hmm...
[02:02] <RivaeAerya> emilsedgh: i found a neat option in the konqueror settings
[02:02] <RivaeAerya> emilsedgh: it already has such a stylesheet built-in!
[02:03] <jussi01> hmmm, how do I make flash/firefox sound channel through my usb headphones
[02:03] <internet_> hi
[02:03] <jussi01> ??
[02:03] <otzku> How does packet forging work?
[02:04] <jussi01> otzku: packet forging?
[02:04] <emilsedgh> RivaeAerya: it rocks, it really rocks
[02:04] <casey> stdin: this stuff doesnt seem to work for me.  I think I'll just give up until Gutsy is released.
[02:04] <casey> according to: http://aldeby.wordpress.com/2007/09/11/howto-ubuntu-on-hp-dv65xx-series-laptop/
[02:04] <casey> gutsy has a lot of out-of-the-box support for my hardware.
[02:11] <JimmyDee> wheee wiggly windows, I'm doing a happy dance
[02:11] <JimmyDee> !gnome
[02:11] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[02:12] <emilsedgh> hm, then whats the KDE's Defination ?
[02:12] <emilsedgh> !kde
[02:12] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[02:13] <JimmyDee> ok its off topic but how do I get more than 2 desktops in gnome?
[02:13] <JimmyDee> maybe someone knows
[02:15] <paolo>  Hi. how can i replace in myfile.txt every occourrence of "word1" with "word2" ?
[02:17] <zipper> in vim i think it's something like 's/word1/word2'
[02:17] <ardchoille> paolo: sed -i 's/word1/word2/g' myfile.txt
[02:17] <testyodude> any reason my desktop boots to a cmd prompt? not sure how to get back to the kde gui
[02:18] <Jucato> JimmyDee: #ubuntu perhaps? or doesn't right-click on the workspace applet in the panel work?
[02:18] <nicolas_> salut a tous!
[02:18] <nicolas_> c'est trop bien linux!!!!!!!!!
[02:18] <nicolas_> surtoput pour programmer
[02:18] <Tm_T> !fr | nicolas_
[02:18] <ubotu> nicolas_: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[02:18] <nicolas_> lol
[02:19] <nicolas_> ya personne??
[02:19] <Tm_T> nicolas_: only english here thank you
[02:19] <nicolas_> ok
[02:19] <nicolas_> don't speak english?
[02:20] <ardchoille> testyodude: What does this command return? ls -lha /etc/X11/X /usr/bin/Xorg
[02:20] <paolo> thnks ardchoille
[02:20] <paolo> a more complex question: how can i cut in a text file (myfile.txt) a sentence which starts with "BEGIN" and ends with "END" ?
[02:20] <ardchoille> paolo: Loo into using awk
[02:20] <ardchoille> s/Loo/Look/
[02:20] <paolo> ?
[02:20] <ardchoille> The awk command: man awk
[02:21] <paolo> ok thnks
[02:21] <Eyeless> paolo: you might be able to use grep aswell,
[02:22] <ardchoille> Eyeless: He's going to need something to do the cutting
[02:22] <Eyeless> making a regex that spans multible lines etc
[02:23] <Eyeless> afaik, you can ask grep to print  some text that matches a regex, ignoring newlines, something like BEGIN.*END
[02:23] <Eyeless> i could be horribly wrong tho
[02:26] <Eyeless> i was :P
[02:27] <MarkC> hey, i'm planning to program an app for kde, but hey, can i cross-compile it to windows? just like i can do gtk+? any of you has a link?
[02:27] <MarkC> link for porting a kde app to windows and any problems that might appear on the way?
[02:27] <emilsedgh> MarkC: if you use KDE 4 Libraries, yes
[02:32] <testyodude> any reason my desktop boots to a cmd prompt? not sure how to get back to the kde gui
[02:32] <JimmyDee> sudo kdm
[02:32] <JimmyDee> or startkde
[02:34] <ardchoille> testyodude: What does this command return? ls -lha /etc/X11/X /usr/bin/Xorg
[02:39] <ardchoille> testyodude: ?
[02:39] <testyodude> can programs be built into  the installer as u can with windows or is that not possible?
[02:39] <ardchoille> testyodude: Solve your login problem?
[02:40] <otzku> How do i make a program run every time i start ubuntu?
[02:40] <emilsedgh> !startup
[02:41] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session go to System>Preferences>Sessions and use the Startup Programs tab. For more information, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup - See !boot for starting non-interactive programs at boot
[02:41] <Jucato> otzku: just leave it running when you logout.
[02:41] <Jucato> emilsedgh: wrong factoid :P
[02:41] <Jucato> !autostart | otzku
[02:41] <ubotu> otzku: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[02:41] <emilsedgh> :D
[02:41] <emilsedgh> Jucato: tnx
[02:41] <Jucato> although session management is the easiest
[02:41] <Jucato> and the default
[02:41] <otzku> uboutu: Thank you!
[02:41] <Jucato> !thanks | otzku
[02:41] <ubotu> otzku: You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[02:42] <testyodude> umm
[02:43] <otzku> Is it possible to bypass the loginscreen so it logs in automaticly?
[02:43] <testyodude> when i use startkde it says 'unable to open display'..still left at the cmd prompt :(
[02:43] <ardchoille> testyodude: I have tried to ask you something that may help me help you. Why haven't you responded?
[02:43] <emilsedgh> otzku: SystemSettings->Advanced->Login Manager
[02:44] <otzku> emilsedgh: Thx
[02:45] <testyodude> cant contact kdeinit/xprop: unable to open display
[02:45] <ardchoille> Jucato: Re: testyodude's last question.. deja vu?
[02:45] <ardchoille> testyodude: What does this command return? ls -la /etc/X11/X /usr/bin/Xorg
[02:45] <Jucato> ardchoille: that's a deja vu too ^^^^
[02:45] <ardchoille> lol
[02:45] <khaije1> off hand question... anybody know the best way to synch Kontact info between computers? is merging the ~/.kde/share/apps/kontact sufficient?
[02:45] <ardchoille> well he seems to have me on ignore
[02:46] <testyodude> oh
[02:46] <testyodude> ur text is same color as my screen lol
[02:46] <testyodude> one sec
[02:46] <otzku> If I set to the autorun thing in the session menu: python something.py will it run?
[02:47] <Jucato> otzku: oh better do that in the ~/.kde/Autostart folder I think
[02:47] <testyodude> ardchoille: returns. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 date time /etc/X11/X -> /usr/bin/Xord
[02:47] <testyodude> ardchoille: returns. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 1620408 date time /usr/bin/Xord
[02:47] <otzku> Jucato: Ok.
[02:47] <ardchoille> testyodude: Ok, just checking a possible problem
[02:48] <Jucato> not everyone has xserver-xorg-core uninstalled :P
[02:48] <testyodude> every time this happens and i hv to do a fresh install and it gets quite annoying >/<
[02:49] <ardchoille> lol
[02:49] <testyodude> any other ideas or should i resinstall
[02:49] <Lunar_Lamp> How do you downgrade packages to old versions in synaptic?
[02:49] <testyodude> stupid laptops
[02:50] <Ace2016> Lunar_Lamp: force version
[02:50] <Ace2016> Lunar_Lamp: package > force version BUT! it will update back to the current version if you run apt-get drist-upgrade
[02:51] <Lunar_Lamp> Ace2016: yeah, ofc, I realise that :-)
[02:51] <Lunar_Lamp> I can always lock a version though to avoid that can't I? :-)
[02:51] <Jucato> !pinning
[02:51] <ubotu> pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[02:51] <Ace2016> not sure if that has effect, you could try it though
[02:51] <Ace2016> yea thats it pinning
[02:51] <ardchoille> Lunar_Lamp: You can: sudo aptitude hold package_name  then  sudo aptitude upgrade won't upgrade it
[02:52] <Lunar_Lamp> Yeah, pin, lock, hold - I knew what I meant even if I didn't explain well, hehe!
[02:53] <ardchoille> Lunar_Lamp: My point was that having aptitude hold a package is much easier than that pinning tut
[02:53] <Lunar_Lamp> Ah ok, fair enough :-)
[02:54] <ardchoille> Lunar_Lamp: Be aware that aptitude won't upgrade it, but apt-get upgrade will
[02:54] <Lunar_Lamp> Ah ok - I never use apt-get so that's not too big a deal.
[02:58] <testyodude> haha
[02:59] <testyodude> i just got a call for a free trip to orlando or vegas 3d2n if i attend a 60minute class on travelling
[02:59] <testyodude> where do ppl get my # :(
[02:59] <testyodude> anyway..would selecting the wrong display cause all this commotion with kde?
[03:00] <Ace2016> i would not mind attending some class for a free trip to vagas, do you have to pay for anything at all?
[03:00] <testyodude> interseting enough how ubuntu doesn't recognize my hd and wont install but kde will lol
[03:00] <testyodude> just the tax on the hotel/flight
[03:00] <testyodude> like 40$
[03:01] <Ace2016> oh, and your in the us so no free flight to the us
[03:01] <testyodude> yes
[03:01] <testyodude> although i wish i could use it for my vacation to malaysia in november lol
[03:01] <Jucato> um.. offtopic?
[03:02] <Ace2016> true but there seems to be nothing on topic at the moment
[03:02] <testyodude> well..my issue..that doesn't seem to resolve itself :(
[03:02] <seishinbyou> heh, PCLinux ranked higher over Ubuntu?  Meh, I wonder what is so great about it.  What does it offer that X/K/Ubuntu doesn't?
[03:02] <testyodude> seishinbyou: the letters PC?
[03:02] <Jucato> seishinbyou: that is only as far as DistroWatch is concerned
[03:03] <Ace2016> its an easier name, sounds better, and it has linux in the name itself
[03:03] <Jucato> and it's not even a proper measure as they themselves admit
[03:03] <seishinbyou> Distrowatch calms my boredom when I want to install a random linux image in VMware
[03:03] <testyodude> DistroWatch ga daikirai desu ne :(
[03:03] <emilsedgh> i wanted to try it, but when i see it has its own control panel, i just gived up
[03:03] <seishinbyou> PCLinux only works with English though, isn't that right?
[03:03] <Ace2016> isn't that a good thing?
[03:03] <Jucato> emilsedgh: you didn't see Kubuntu's own control panel? :)
[03:03] <testyodude> nah
[03:04] <seishinbyou> I only use English at home; all of work is in Japanese
[03:04] <Ace2016> why? kcontrol has been modified by kubuntu
[03:04] <Jucato> anyway... #kubuntu-offtopic please
[03:04] <testyodude> i have my kbtu in jp lol
[03:04] <seishinbyou> Same here
[03:04] <emilsedgh> Jucato: thats tooo much different, it shares with KDE, uses kcm modules, etc
[03:04] <testyodude> oh well
[03:04] <testyodude> guess a fresh install is up again
[03:04] <testyodude> lol
[03:04] <Jucato> emilsedgh: true, but there are lots of other stuff you can do in drakconf/yast you can't in kcontrol
[03:04] <mangz74> hello
[03:05] <ardchoille> testyodude: I think until you figure out what you're doing wrong, you'll be installing again and again
[03:05] <essential> Hi! (:
[03:05] <testyodude> ardchoille: im installing it..and when i go to restart my comp it does it
[03:05] <testyodude> ardchoille: i'm not really doing anything wrong
[03:05] <emilsedgh> Jucato: kubuntu as kcm module so it intergrates in kde...
[03:05] <testyodude> i install lampp and amsn..thats it
[03:05] <ardchoille> testyodude: Oh :(
[03:05] <essential> Inappropriate ioctl for device
[03:06] <essential> Got that when extracting
[03:06] <essential> Rar files, if that has anything effect... Mmm.. And what program should I use with Iso files?
[03:06] <testyodude> k2b
[03:06] <Ace2016> k3b
[03:06] <ardchoille> essential: To unpack them or burn them?
[03:07] <kuil> hi all... I just installed gutsy tribe 5 and have a dell d800 laptop. I would like to add a second screen when I am at work and not use that screen at home... Is this possible?
[03:07] <essential> "unpack" :)
[03:07] <testyodude> sudo apt-get install unrar
[03:07] <testyodude> :D
[03:07] <testyodude> oh isos
[03:07] <testyodude> sorry
[03:07] <essential> I mean, ISO :)
[03:07] <seishinbyou> mount?
[03:07] <ardchoille> essential: You can mount an iso and view the files, but you can't change the files in an iso
[03:08] <kuil> I have tried adding a second monitor using kcontrol... but kdm stops working after that
[03:08] <Ace2016> kiso will do it
[03:08] <essential> Yeah, to mount them! Sorry, didnt know the right word :)
[03:08] <testyodude> k2b will mount wont it?
[03:08] <seishinbyou> kuil> I had a setup like that last year (used monitor at work, not at home)...can't remember how I got it working
[03:08] <Ace2016> essential: mountiso is the best then: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=11577
[03:09] <essential> Well, anyway I were using the unrar, it unrarred like 70% then "Inappropriate ioctl for device"
[03:09] <testyodude> aptoncd works
[03:10] <kuil> seishinbyou: do you know if you just used kcontrol?
[03:10] <kuil> or something else?
[03:10] <testyodude> essential: do you get a blkgetsize error?
[03:10] <seishinbyou> kuil> I used just kcontrol, but my system did freeze a few times; I kept backups of xorg.conf though
[03:10] <essential> testyodude: ermm.. ? :D
[03:11] <seishinbyou> Also, on my old LaVie (that I used for this), I remember I had to restart X before I could use the separate monitor
[03:11] <kuil> seishinbyou: kdm stops working.. after restoring the xorg.conf everything is back again (but only one monitor)
[03:11] <essential> It just stops unrarring, then "line output" or something like that.. and there it says "Inappropriate ioctl for device"
[03:11] <kuil> seishinbyou: haven't they (xorg people) fixed that issue long time ago?
[03:11] <kuil> I though HP had offered a patch for that...
[03:11] <kuil> thought
[03:12] <seishinbyou> kuil> The laptop I used was hardly standard
[03:12] <testyodude> what do u use to unrar it
[03:12] <seishinbyou> not that there is such a thing anyways
[03:12] <kuil> :)
[03:12] <tzanger> how does one remove a package and any packages that were installed because of dependencies?
[03:12] <seishinbyou> I couldn't adjust the brightness of the screen on that thing through Linux; only windows
[03:12] <tzanger> I want to remove aptoncd and all the gnome stuff I don't need for anything else but which was pulled in
[03:12] <essential> testyodude: "Sudo apt-get install unrar" :D
[03:12] <testyodude> windows meh..dont even work on my laptop
[03:13] <testyodude> well..i thought u meant for unrar rar files lol..didnt know u meant iso
[03:13] <ardchoille> tzanger: sudo apt-get remove --uaot-remove appname
[03:13] <tzanger> --uaot-remove?
[03:13] <ardchoille> tzanger: sudo apt-get remove --auto-remove appname  Sorry
[03:13] <testyodude> try k3b.. not sure if it can extract, but it can mount
[03:13] <Stevethepirate> y0, i attemped to install compiz, which phailed, i get this error message "GDM: Xserver not found /usr/lib/Xgl :0 :0 -fullscreen -ac -accel glx:pbuffer -accel xv:fbo -auth  /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 Error: Command could not be executed! Please install the X server or correct GDM configuration and restart GDM"
[03:13] <tzanger> oh auto
[03:13] <seishinbyou> Have to hand it to Vista though, it was such a great advertisement for switching to Linux
[03:13] <tzanger> ok
[03:13] <essential> seishinbyou:  :DD
[03:13] <testyodude> haha
[03:13] <essential> testyodude: This is too .. messy. :D IRC sucks at times.
[03:14] <Stevethepirate> 'irc is multiplayer notepad'
[03:14] <Stevethepirate> -bash.org
[03:14] <ardchoille> tzanger: --auto-remove = remove deps that are no longer needed. --purge = remove configuration files
[03:14] <testyodude> try irssi
[03:14] <tzanger> haha
[03:14] <testyodude> :P
[03:14] <testyodude> thats horrid notepad
[03:14] <essential> I were at the local electronicshop.. There was a brandnew HP Pavilion with vista.. It sucks to ruin such a nice bigass laptop with vista :(
[03:14] <seishinbyou> isn't compiz available through aptitude now?  or just beryl?
[03:14] <tzanger> meh, I don't like HPs
[03:14] <Stevethepirate> testyodude: i'm using irssi ATM... its fine.. esp since my X crashed
[03:15] <Stevethepirate> seishinbyou: yeah, but my GDM crashed.
[03:15] <Stevethepirate> some config bug..
[03:15] <testyodude> Stevethepirate: i never could get dcc to work with irssi
[03:15] <Stevethepirate> so, i have no working x
[03:15] <Ace2016> Stevethepirate:   /usr/lib/Xgl :0 :0 -fullscreen -ac -accel glx:pbuffer -accel      <<< wrong command
[03:15] <Stevethepirate> testyodude: then your life is a phail :P.. its easy
[03:15] <kuil> linux works great (most of the time).. but graphics is still a big issue on linux
[03:15] <tzanger> I want my old T60 back (not the shitty-ass widescreen, the nice standard-aspect 1280x1050 or whatever it is...w idescreen is just too damned wide on a laptop and makes them too big
[03:15] <seishinbyou> kuil: how so?
[03:15] <Stevethepirate> Ace2016: I was following an online guide
[03:15] <essential> I meantined it to the sailsman, and my dad were like "Hey dude, did you hear what he said?" The Man: "Yeah, something about fucking good comp with awesome vista" ;D
[03:16] <Stevethepirate> Ace2016: could you pm me what it should be, and what to change please!! :P
[03:16] <testyodude> kuil: i hv to reinstall every time i reboot lol..not sure why my kde gui fails
[03:16] <essential> tzanger: Lapto used as a "desk"comp .. then it's real nice with widescreen
[03:16] <Stevethepirate> like. irssi has its problems.. like keeping up with a convo.. with only 25 line buffer :(
[03:16] <Ace2016> Stevethepirate: this is how i did it: http://ace2016.net/tutorials/linux/howto-run-xgl-nvidia
[03:16] <Stevethepirate> I can't read that.. :(
[03:16] <kuil> seishinbyou: well... if you use your laptop for demonstrations.. a lot of people have issues getting stuff to work
[03:16] <Ace2016> ServerCmd=/usr/bin/Xgl -br -ac -accel glx:pbuffer -accel xv
[03:16] <tzanger> the kubuntu **DVD** has everything in the normal set of repositories, right?
[03:16] <Ace2016> Stevethepirate: why>
[03:16] <Ace2016> Stevethepirate: why?
[03:16] <Stevethepirate> links not installed on the pc i'm sshing into :(
[03:16] <testyodude> kubuntu dvd? :o
[03:17] <seishinbyou> kuil: I use it for presentations and demos...
[03:17] <tzanger> I don't like widescreen laptops, even when used as a desktop replacement
[03:17] <seishinbyou> but I digress
[03:17] <Ace2016> well change it to ServerCmd=/usr/bin/Xgl -br -ac -accel glx:pbuffer -accel xv   and it should work fine
[03:17] <Stevethepirate> Ace2016: could you pipe that page to me please then?
[03:17] <ardchoille> tzanger: but the dvd takes ages to download and you can install the same stuff with apt-get anyway
[03:17] <Stevethepirate> what must i change?
[03:17] <Ace2016> whats pipe?
[03:17] <tzanger> gimme a nice 22" widescreen LCD and sure, but I'm kind of torn beteween the better T60s and something nice and small
[03:17] <kuil> seishinbyou: how do you 'dynamically' attach it to a second screen then?
[03:17] <Stevethepirate> [cat] 
[03:17] <Stevethepirate> :P
[03:17] <essential> kuil: I'm too tired, I just read that "If you use your laptop for mutiny" And then I pictured you with a widescreen HP -throwing it to mass of people
[03:17] <Ace2016> oh
[03:17] <tzanger> ardchoille: if I'm trying to install 13 systems, I'll wait for a DVD image :-)
[03:18] <Stevethepirate> could you pm that command to me then please
[03:18] <Stevethepirate> i can't keep up with it in irssi
[03:18] <Stevethepirate> moving donwwards too fast :(
[03:18] <seishinbyou> kuil: Admittedly, the setup took a few hours of random fiddling, true
[03:18] <tzanger> basically install one system, update, install packages, dpkg --get-selections and then I should be able to install and --set-selections on the other systems
[03:18] <kuil> essential: not me.. but I have watched presentations on javaone with people having (k)ubuntu laptops.. all with lots of problems
[03:18] <ardchoille> tzanger: You can do that with --get-selections and --set-selections :)
[03:18] <testyodude> i need a kubuntu on cd that has my programs preinstalled so i dont have to wait 3 hrs to install everything again lol
[03:18] <tzanger> combine that with a dump of /etc and /home/foo, and I should have 13 identical installs with a minimum of fuss
[03:18] <Stevethepirate> Ace2016: what file must i change that to?
[03:19] <tzanger> ardchoille: no, as each of the systems will have to download the packages that aren't on the default install
[03:19] <Stevethepirate> *make those changes in
[03:19] <essential> Speaking of java.. my flash audio still sucks cock.
[03:19] <testyodude> not gonna get started with getting my webcam to work with kub...that
[03:19] <testyodude> s alost story
[03:19] <essential> Oh! Right.. sorry for cursing.
[03:19] <tzanger> ardchoille: I think after I get the system where I want it, using aptoncd could be another option for the updates not on the DVD
[03:19] <seishinbyou> It's been so long since I have heard swearing/cursing in English, I welcome the change...but I'm weird that way :)
[03:20] <ardchoille> tzanger: Then why not sue something like System Rescue CD to make an image of the hard drive of one computer then install that image on others? I use that to make identical system from my 11 computers.
[03:20] <essential> seishinbyou: Cursing with english or someother foreign language is pretty nice.. I think it should be the way of speaking.. Use the powerwords.
[03:20] <testyodude> hahaha
[03:21] <testyodude> i forget my japanese cursewords :( dont think i learned much of that while i was there for 6 years haha
[03:21] <tzanger> ardchoille: interesting
[03:21] <essential> Here in.. FINLAND the cursing is like having a dump or being at church.. Man's got to do what man
[03:21] <tzanger> where does one go to create this system rescue cd?
[03:21] <essential> 's got to do*
[03:21] <ardchoille> tzanger: This live cd has partimage on it: http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page
[03:21] <essential> testyodude: , Cursing in Japanese isn't so nice.. For some reason, I hate japan.
[03:22] <testyodude> meh
[03:22] <testyodude> It's my favorite next to kl
[03:22] <ardchoille> tzanger: It's the partimage app that you need.
[03:22] <seishinbyou> I just picked it up from the salarymen and overstressed office workers over the years
[03:22] <essential> It reminds me of all of those "Do you have epilepsy" flashes and some mangatigers jumping from the roof to out of space
[03:22] <ardchoille> !ot
[03:22] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[03:23] <testyodude> seishinbyou: nihonjin desu ka
[03:23] <tzanger> ardchoille: hmm this looks like a MUCH nicer solution... thank you!
[03:23] <essential> alt + F2, then kdesu kate.
[03:23] <essential> That's all japanese I need
[03:23] <essential> ;DD
[03:23] <seishinbyou> testyodude: Nah, just some .ca here a bit longer than expected
[03:23] <ardchoille> tzanger: It is, I love it. Making an image takes me ten minutes and restoring it to other computers takes ten minutes.
[03:24] <essential> But if someone has any ideas, why the it wont extract (using the unrar) and says "An error occurred while extracting files." Then you push the command line output and says "Write error in the file x.ISO, Inappropriate ioctl for device"
[03:25] <essential> I dont want to believe that I have downloaded 2days and the reason is ... brockenfiles.
[03:26] <testyodude> ok on a install from 7.04 cd.. /bin/sh: can't access tty; job ocntrol turned off... WHYYY
[03:29] <testyodude> ok on a install from 7.04 cd.. /bin/sh: can't access tty; job ocntrol turned off... what could be wrong now?
[03:33] <esc> help i am having problems with my soundcard
[03:34] <esc> i can't hear a thing
[03:34] <ardchoille> !sound
[03:34] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[03:36] <esc> thanks
[03:37] <poison--> mornin
[03:38] <genii> poison--: Yes, yes it is
[03:39] <poison--> heyyy genii
[03:39] <poison--> sup
[03:40] <genii> poison--: At work #1 , trying to hide so no one thinks to ask me to do anything :)
[03:40] <poison--> ehehheheh
[03:40] <poison--> where u live bud?
[03:40] <esc> i am having trouble connecting to ubuntu.com, could someone check this?
[03:41] <ardchoille> esc: Same here
[03:41] <esc> k, server down?
[03:42] <ardchoille> esc: Try http://www.ubuntu.net/
[03:45] <genii> poison--: I'm in Toronto
[03:45] <genii> (sorry for lag, googling some info)
[03:45] <poison--> nice genii, have a great friend in Calgary
[03:46] <poison--> almost went to work there
[03:46] <kudret> turkiyeden varmi?
[03:47] <poison--> !tk
[03:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:47] <poison--> lol
[03:47] <genii> poison--: Calgary winters are hell. But the oil workers make some pretty good $
[03:47] <poison--> !tu
[03:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:47] <poison--> yes, was invited to work for 6 months as engeneer there
[03:49] <poison--> eheheheh
[03:49] <poison--> lucky dat ex wife didnt let me
[03:51] <genii> Man. Since ubuntuforums is down it's a real PITA trying to find some info
[03:51] <poison--> damn
[03:52] <jrivero_> hola buen dia
[03:54] <eidolon> hi folks - so my feisty installation this morning just gave me a -massive- set of updates to KDE.  the changelog is showing changes going back to 2006.  anyone know what's up?
[03:55] <seishinbyou> things changed since 2006?
[03:55] <eidolon> in the changelog for kdebase, i see:  --Jonathan Riddell ... 5 Dec 2006...
[03:57] <eidolon> oh oh oh.
[03:57] <jussi01> eidolon: I had the same udate, looks like they patched a few holles
[03:57] <eidolon> thisis the -entire- changelog for the entire release.
[03:57] <genii> Woohoo ubuntuforums is back up :)
[03:57] <eidolon> er, for the entire package.
[03:57] <eidolon> not just what's going in today.
[03:57] <sahin_w> That was a security update.
[03:57] <sahin_w> http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20070919-1.txt
[03:57] <sahin_w> I think...
[03:57] <eidolon> yah, i see it at the top of the changelog
[03:57] <eidolon> no, that's right.  i thought the 'developer changelog' option in Adept Updater was just showing me what was goign in with this update.  not the entire history going back to 1997 :)
[03:58] <neusonce> !flash
[03:58] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[03:58] <emilsedgh> kdm's update?
[03:58] <eidolon> yeah, there's a security hole that can allow you to bypass a password protected login.
[03:58] <testyodude> 120gb hd..dual boot xp and kb..how would you guys set it up in the manual partitioning .. im thinking like 15-20gb each with a 80gb share?
[03:58] <eidolon> http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20070919-1.txt
[03:59] <sahin_w> For Kubuntu 15-20GB will be fine.
[04:01] <testyodude> so should i use a swap, ext3 / and a fat32 /share?
[04:01] <testyodude> and a ntfs partition?
[04:02] <sahin_w> testyodude: Yes
[04:02] <sahin_w> My wife's machine also a dual boot pc.
[04:03] <sahin_w> And I use ntfs for partition C:, fat32 for the shared stuff...
[04:03] <sahin_w> ... and so on.
[04:05] <NightBird> there are win32 drivers for accessing ext2/ext3 in windows.... I've had moderate success in using them though
[04:05] <baphonet> hello! I get such messages as "DateTime::Locale version 0.34 required--this is only version 0.3101" when I'm trying to compile some scrips that use DateTime module
[04:05] <baphonet> but there is only libdatetime-locale-perl 0.31
[04:05] <baphonet> I think it is unfair because I am unable to use DateTime on my kubuntu 7.04 :)
[04:05] <baphonet> does anybody know when new libdatetime-locale-perl will appear on http://ru.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ ?
[04:10] <testyodude> why doesnt a manual setup give me ntfs as a option
[04:11] <jthomas> testyodude: for what, an install?
[04:11] <testyodude> yes
[04:12] <testyodude> i want to have a dual boot but it doesnt list ntfs for my xp
[04:12] <testyodude> or hsould i mount it /windows and fat32 it then format it later
[04:13] <jthomas> NTFS is a Windows file system, owned by Microsoft without any sort of help for us.  And I don't particularily like it either ;)  But its not made to support Linux permission etc.  Same with FAT (wich doesn't support any permissions for any OS).  You can read/write to both FAT and NTFS, but cannot use it for any system partitions such as / or /home or anything else.
[04:13] <jthomas> testyodude: sorry, I thought that you wanted to INSTALL on NTFS.
[04:13] <testyodude> naw lol
[04:14] <testyodude> just need help setting this up
[04:14] <jthomas> testyodude: there is a driver called ntfs-3g which can mount, read, and write to NTFS partitions, and there is some sort of config program where you turn on the write support.  You can mount it in /windows or in /home/testyodude/windows or where ever you want.
[04:15] <jthomas> I would: install Windows on a partition, do all of its updates etc; then install Linux and ubuntu should automatically recognize the Windows partition and make it an option at boot up
[04:15] <jthomas> then you would install the ntfs-3g and have access to your NTFS partition
[04:16] <jthomas> and on Windows, install the driver for EXT2/3 filesystems (available on Sourceforge as an exe (i think))
[04:17] <tzanger> I can download the linux kernel source and manipulate it easily enough, but what is the method to grab the kubuntu package for the source for whatever kernel's running?  is it an apt-source thing or??
[04:17] <jthomas> at the command line do apt-get -h
[04:17] <jthomas> tzanger:  ^^
[04:18] <jhatlelid> I'm getting distorted Sound on my Intel HD Audio Optical Output all of the sudden. Remains after reboot. Works in Windows Vista/XP. Suggestions?
[04:19] <tzanger> jthomas: I'm not so much interested in apt-get help, as I know I can use it to get packages and whatnot... I guess the question is geared more toward "is it apt-source linux-image-foo" that I use, or is the kernel a little different int hat regard?
[04:19] <tzanger> er apt-get source rather, no wonder that iddn't sound right
[04:20] <jthomas> it should be but I don't really know.  Check on howtoforge.com maybe for compiling/installing kernels on *buntu ?
[04:20] <Bekker> there's a package "linux-source"....
[04:20] <roguejedix> Hey. Does anyone have any idea what to do when I want to receive files from Jabber users, bearing in mind that I'm behind a router?
[04:20] <tzanger> for example, dpkg --get-selections | grep linux lists a bunch of kernel packages, but uname -a reports that I'm running a kernel that did not come from packages, although I did.  I imagine that the linux image Im running should have come from a linux-image-xxx package, but ?
[04:23] <tzanger> waha
[04:23] <tzanger> xen-image-2.6.19-4-server
[04:24] <fkm> Hi there. I've disabled the device icons via the desktop configuration (KDE) but my USB stick keeps appearing on the desktop after it's mounted :( Does anybody know why this is and if there's a workarround/fix?
[04:26] <tzanger> hmm
[04:26] <deviance> Wow, I have hundred of updates, like kicket, Kwin, kdm, ksplash, should I do it? No side effect for thoes who havE>
[04:26] <deviance> ] ?*
[04:26] <deviance> ?*
[04:26] <tzanger> I guess I"d have to use dpkg directly to get the package so I can unload it in my home directory
[04:26] <tzanger> as opposed to apt-get source
[04:26] <jthomas> fkm: if you right-click on something somewhere :( you can change where they appear.  I think you might have to add the Media applet to the kicker, and then once a device is showing you can use that to change where the device icons appear.  Not positive tho.
[04:27] <jthomas> deviance: over the last few days I've had about 40, and I am running fine.
[04:27] <deviance> Okay  :D
[04:27] <jthomas> deviance: but thats just me!
[04:27] <deviance> 62m :D
[04:27] <jthomas> deviance: do you have aq lot of software, or has it just been a while?
[04:27] <fkm> jthomas, I got the media applet in kicker. That's why I don't want the icon to appear on the desktop. I'll have a look at the contextmenu of the icon for an option. Thanks in advance
[04:28] <deviance> jthomas: I dont have that much, and its usualy uo to date, I diddnt update my kernal yesterday, but there only abour 20, but its main thinks like KDM, Kwin, Kicker, the kernal
[04:29] <deviance> konqueror and kdesktop asweel
[04:29] <fkm> jthomas, Doesn't look good. The contextmenu itself doesn't offer the option to hide the icon and the properties neither. I wonder if I could just delete the icon
[04:29] <jthomas> yeah myne also, today.
[04:29] <jthomas> i did it this AM and then restarted X and it worked fine.  Also updated the kernel yesterday and it too worked fine
[04:29] <jthomas> after a reboot
[04:29] <jthomas> fkm: i don't think so... (deleting the icon)
[04:29] <fkm> kk
[04:30] <jthomas> fkm: go to K Menu > System Settings > Desktop > Behavior, and check out the tabs there
[04:30] <fkm> Well, well... Looks like I can't solve this beeing lazy ;) I'll ask Google :)
[04:30] <jthomas> fkm: go to K Menu > System Settings > Desktop > Behavior, and check out the tabs there
[04:30] <fkm> Hmm
[04:31] <fkm> Which tabs?
[04:31] <jthomas> Device Icons
[04:31] <deviance> Ok thanks jthomas :d
[04:31] <deviance> :D*
[04:31] <jthomas> which is the Devices for the Desktop, and you're changing its Behavior ;)
[04:32] <fkm> jthomas, I already did uncheck this checkbox. That's why I'm here ;)
[04:32] <fkm> Give me a sec. I got an idea :D
[04:32] <jthomas> fkm: hmm ok then... no idea now!
[04:32] <jthomas> lemme know what it is and if it works!
[04:34] <fkm> jthomas, Didn't work. Thought maybe it's because the USB stick was mounted when I first unchecked the option. But unmounting and then check and uncheck this option doesn't work either. Google-time then ;)
[04:34] <jthomas> fkm: also you should file a bug report
[04:35] <jthomas> fkm: but it depends if you're using the Feisty 3.6.7 or the JRiddel 3.5.7 version of KDE...
[04:35] <jthomas> oops, I meant the Feisty 3.5.6...
[04:35] <fkm> I use Feisty. Which verion exactly I don't know. But to find out about that shouldn't be too hard
[04:36] <fkm> I'll look if I can find something through Google and if not I'll file the bugreport
[04:36] <jthomas> fkm: yeah, in any KDE app just select Help menu -> About KDE
[04:36] <fkm> Does KDE has it's own bugtracker or shall I report this to Launchpad?
[04:36] <jthomas> you'd know if you 'pgraded' to Jonathan Riddle's 3.5.7, it would have been some manual effort
[04:37] <esc>  <       esc> i have found the problem
[04:37] <esc> 16:33 <       esc> we had to jumper the front pane audio connector
[04:37] <esc> 16:33 <       esc> on the motherboard
[04:37] <esc> 16:33 <       esc> its an MSI k7n2m
[04:37] <esc> 16:34 <       esc> we read the user manual in *detail*
[04:37] <esc> 16:34 <       esc> no we are going to buy proper jumpers now, and remove the wires :-)
[04:37] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[04:37] <jthomas> fkm: bugs.kde.org but I think this would be for Kubuntu (Launchpad)
[04:37] <jthomas> 'mornin BluesKaj
[04:37] <BluesKaj> !pastebin | esc
[04:37] <ubotu> esc: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:37] <manchicken> fkm: Make sure to post your system log files on that.  If KDE didn't recognize the stick then there's a fair chance that it's not just KDE's fault.
[04:38] <BluesKaj> hi jthomas
[04:38] <jthomas> manchicken: i think its recognized, but its the KDE which is continuing to put device icons on the desktop.  Its not the USB's fault ;)
[04:39] <fkm> manchicken, What system log? And the stick seems to be supported as I can use it without problem (except for that icon thing ;))
[04:39] <manchicken> Oh, so he's just not wanting icons on the desktop?
[04:39] <fkm> Yes :D
[04:39] <manchicken> Ah.  I don't know if you can do that or not.  I've never bothered with it before.
[04:40] <fkm> According to the configuration (Configure Desktop) it's possible. Just it doesn't seem to matter what I set there ;)
[04:40] <manchicken> That sounds like something that someone else may have mentioned before, so search their bug tracker and see if anything like that came up.  bugs.kde.org
[04:41] <BluesKaj> having the usb icon on the desktop is a plus IMO, unless he doesn't want his boss or co-workers to see his screen .. i don't get it
[04:42] <fkm> manchicken, Ok, thank you. I'll do that
[04:42] <manchicken> np
[04:43] <fkm> BluesKaj, I have the media devices applet for kicker. So I don't need the desktop icons
[04:43] <jthomas> yeah I also like it, but I can understand the desire for a clutter-free desktop.
[04:43] <jthomas> And I never ecver use it, always the Kicker applet anyways...
[04:43] <fkm> Since Windows XP I'm a fan of icon free desktops :)
[04:44] <jthomas> fkm: not for sure, but you could try to set the Desktop as read-only...  might make the machine blow up tho (not really)
[04:44] <fkm> But I only want to disable the device icons because otherwise I risk to forgett about stuff I download which is automaticly saved on the desktop - had that on XP sometimes.
[04:45] <jthomas> fkm: you can change Firefox to DL to another location, and I think Konqueror always asks...  just an idea
[04:45] <fkm> Did that. Firefox stores it's stuff per default in /home/fkm/var/mozilla/
[04:49] <ghozala> hi
[04:50] <ghozala> any body here to help
[04:50] <poison--> !ask
[04:50] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:50] <emilsedgh> !hi | ghozala
[04:50] <ubotu> ghozala: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[04:50] <emilsedgh> ghozala: there are many people here to help you, just ask, if someone knows, will answer you
[04:51] <sainzeo> i'm having problems with kopete disconnecting me from groupwise, any suggestions/fixes?
[04:51] <ghozala> this is my frist day to use kubuntu how can i open the disks used by windows and how can play music
[04:52] <poison--> play music: use amarok ( also, go to console and type: sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg )
[04:57] <ghozala> poison what can i do for this E: Couldn't find package libxinel-ffmpeg
[04:57] <ghozala> and amarok doesnt support mp3s
[04:58] <LjL> perhaps it's libxine1, as in "one", not libxinel as in "el"
[04:58] <LjL> !info libxine1-ffmpeg
[04:58] <ubotu> libxine1-ffmpeg: the xine video/media player library, binary files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 1534 kB, installed size 3692 kB
[05:01] <fkm> Well, well, well... Didn't find anything new through Google. I'll check the Bugtrackers afterwards. But I had an idea and it seems to work! :D I checked the "Show device icons" and unchecked all the devices in the list below. Somewhat ugly but at least I still see the normal files with this workaround.
[05:01] <MojoPikonOSL> Hi! :-)
[05:01] <fkm> @ jthomas and manchicken
[05:01] <ghozala> hay any body tell me the command to install libxinel  or player plays mp3s
[05:02] <jthomas> fkm: well, its working...
[05:03] <jussi01> ghozala: sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[05:03] <fkm> Yes! :) And I've just found the bug on Launchpad. I'll file my confiramtion and workarround there
[05:03] <jussi01> fkm: nice :)
[05:03] <ghozala> jussi it is not working
[05:04] <YazzY> hi there
[05:04] <fkm> But atm I'm still at the passwordrecovery ;) I don't use Launchpad that much. In fact. This will be my first post there.
[05:04] <testyodude> um
[05:04] <testyodude> whats teh 2 letter code to display my sda#'s?
[05:04] <testyodude> in konsole
[05:05] <jussi01> ls ?
[05:05] <testyodude> no
[05:05] <jthomas> ghozala: you should install some additional software first.  Go to the KMenu -> System and find Adept Manager (manage packages).  Once loaded, find the Manage Repositories in the menus and turn everything on (universe, multiverse, everything except for Prerelease packages).  Once those are on, you have more access to a ton of software.  Hit "Reload" in Adept, then search for mp3.
[05:05] <testyodude> xmms is winamp
[05:05] <YazzY> I am ubuntu gutsy with 2.6.22-12-generic kernel, after update from 2.6.22-11 I lost my sound due to lack of the snd_hda_intel module. Any idea why it was left out and where i can get it?
[05:05] <sainzeo> i'm having problems with kopete disconnecting me from groupwise, any suggestions/fixes?
[05:05] <poison--> <ghozala, update your machine with adept or synaptic
[05:05] <jussi01> !gutsy | YazzY
[05:05] <poison--> than get libxine1-ffmpeg
[05:05] <ubotu> YazzY: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[05:06] <YazzY> jussi01: thanks
[05:07] <poison--> <sainzeo, try aMSN or Gaim
[05:08] <manchicken> sainzeo: Does it give you an error message?
[05:10] <sainzeo> poison: pidgin works fine with it, but I would like to try and get kopete working
[05:11] <sainzeo> manchicken: no, i will just come back and it will show that i'm offline again - signs on fine and everything - also, when it is online, i'm unable to start any conversations with anyone in groupwise, but they are able to start them with me
[05:11] <jussi01> sainzeo: have you looked on lp for bugs?
[05:11] <sainzeo> jussi01: i know there was a bug dealing with this, and i believe there was a post about a fix, but I'm not sure how to go about implementing the fix they show...
[05:12] <manchicken> sainzeo: Are you able to work with other protocols alright?
[05:12] <jussi01> sainzeo: link to the fix?
[05:13] <sainzeo> manchicken: my AIM protocol seems to work perfectly fine, not sure about others though
[05:13] <sainzeo> jussi01: i'll have to find it again, one moment
[05:13] <jussi01> sainzeo: ok
[05:13] <mkvakin> abe oraaa
[05:13] <sainzeo> jussi01: http://www.mail-archive.com/kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg12240.html i believe this shows something but I don't know what it's talking about haha
[05:13] <mkvakin> teji mi kubuntoto e
[05:13] <jthomas> ghozala are you here?  any success or issues?
[05:13] <mkvakin> xubuntu to i to teji
[05:14] <jussi01> mkvakin: only english in here
[05:14] <manchicken> sainzeo: Are you running any firewalls?  Could it be a networking thing where something is blocking the port?
[05:14] <christian_> cool
[05:14] <jthomas> mkvakin: which language?
[05:14] <manchicken> sainzeo: I wouldn't rule out bugs, but it makes sense to exhaust everything else too :)
[05:14] <sainzeo> manchicken: no, i'm not running any firewalls and i don't believe it is a networking thing as pidgin worked perfectly fine..
[05:14] <sainzeo> manchicken: understandable - i know there is some kind of patch for it, but i'm not sure how to implement it: http://www.mail-archive.com/kubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg12240.html
[05:15] <jussi01> sainzeo: that involves using the svn...
[05:15] <christian_> quit
[05:15] <sainzeo> jussi01: so how would I go about using that then? or is this something you even recommend doing?
[05:15] <jussi01> sainzeo: not for an inexperienced person...no
[05:16] <jussi01> !info kopete
[05:16] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu9 (feisty), package size 7108 kB, installed size 19632 kB
[05:16] <jussi01> !info kopete gutsy
[05:16] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.7-2ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 7134 kB, installed size 19700 kB
[05:16] <jussi01> sainzeo: hang on a sec
[05:16] <manchicken> sainzeo: so those patch instructions would be for if you did an `apt-get source kdenetwork`
[05:16] <sainzeo> jussi01: okay, thanks
[05:17] <manchicken> sainzeo: Are you familiar with building src-deb packages?
[05:17] <sainzeo> manchicken: not really - i'm a fast learner though haha
[05:17] <jussi01> sainzeo: Ill let manchicken help you here.
[05:17] <sainzeo> manchicken: do you think it would be beneficial for me to try and do that?
[05:17] <manchicken> sainzeo: Well, you could try to do this yourself but I'm going to mention something to the current knetwork packager for kubuntu and see what they say about this package.
[05:18] <manchicken> sainzeo: It couldn't hurt.  How comfortable are you with the command line?
[05:18] <mohamed_> how to create session to run one application with autmatic login ?
[05:18] <sainzeo> manchicken: i use the command line quite often, but that's usually following some tutorial or putzing around myself
[05:18] <sainzeo> manchicken: so i wouldn't know all of the commands probably
[05:19] <manchicken> sainzeo: I don't really have the time to walk through this with you because the install and the compile may take some time.
[05:19] <manchicken> sainzeo: What version of KDE are you running?
[05:20] <sainzeo> manchicken: 3.5.6
[05:20] <manchicken> I'd advise you to upgrade KDE.
[05:20] <mkvakin> why
[05:20] <manchicken> This patch is already in 3.5.7
[05:20] <manchicken> :)
[05:20] <sainzeo> manchicken: how do i go about doing that?
[05:20] <sainzeo> manchicken: haha nice
[05:21] <manchicken> sainzeo: Are you on Feisty Fawn 6.10?
[05:21] <manchicken> Err, 7.04
[05:21] <mkvakin> I am on dapper Drake
[05:21] <sainzeo> manchicken: yeah, 7.04
[05:21] <mkvakin> long time support
[05:22] <mkvakin> tell me the difference I have everything I need on my 6.06 dapper drake
[05:22] <sainzeo> manchicken: wouldn't it have been in the list of updates?
[05:22] <Dr_willis> wowsers - whole boatload of kde updates it seems last night.
[05:22] <Dr_willis> updating 101, sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:22] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:23] <sainzeo> Dr_willis: oh believe me, i've tried that haha
[05:23] <manchicken> sainzeo: Sorry, I was taking a phone call
[05:23] <sainzeo> manchicken: haha, no problem - i appreciate the help
[05:24] <manchicken> !3.5.7
[05:24] <manchicken> No?  the bot doesn't know?
[05:24] <manchicken> !kde
[05:24] <manchicken> Stupid bot.
[05:24] <manchicken> sainzeo: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[05:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 3.5.7 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:24] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[05:24] <manchicken> Try that bad boy out.
[05:24] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:25] <poison--> ahahahhaha
[05:25] <poison--> u wish
[05:25] <Dr_willis> then id have her clean up the house.
[05:25] <poison--> :D
[05:25] <manchicken> sainzeo: The link I gave you gives instructions on upgrading KDE to 3.5.7 under Feisty.
[05:25] <dedi> is there any gusty channel available?
[05:25] <sainzeo> manchicken: which one of the links? hehe
[05:25] <manchicken> This one: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[05:25] <sainzeo> manchicken: actually i think i got it...k let me try..
[05:25] <manchicken> Sorry, the bot took time to catch up.
[05:25] <sainzeo> manchicken: thanks a lot by the way!
[05:25] <manchicken> It's probably being abused elsewhere.
[05:26] <manchicken> sainzeo: I like KDE 3.5.7.  It's working really well for me.
[05:26] <sainzeo> manchicken: sounds good - i'll let ya know after it's done - are you gonna be around?
[05:28] <sainzeo> manchicken: how come this wouldn't be included in the automatic updates?
[05:33] <dedi> i lost my automount of usb harddrivers. anyone an idea how to fix this?
[05:35] <manchicken> sainzeo: Because this is a backport, not an update.
[05:35] <k_kiddo> hi
[05:35] <manchicken> sainzeo: The way the release process works, we only release VERY important updates over automatic updates.
[05:35] <manchicken> saizai: Since we release every 6 months, stuff like this isn't considered as important.
[05:36] <k_kiddo> genii : hi
[05:38] <genii> Hmm left before I could offer coffee
[05:38] <poison--> genii, do u use virtualbox?
[05:39] <poison--> havin issues finding the packages i need to install it
[05:40] <Dr_willis> !find virtualbox
[05:40] <Dr_willis> Hmm..
[05:40] <ubotu> Package/file virtualbox does not exist in feisty
[05:42] <Dr_willis> What packages you cant find poison-- ?
[05:42] <genii> poison--: Nah don't use any VM stuff right now. i boot up to separate OS if i need it
[05:43] <poison--> libxalan-c, libxerces-c and version 5 of libstdc++.
[05:43] <deviance> I dont suppose you could help me, my wifi usb key always overheats and stoppes working, especialy when I am downloading something, is there anything I can do about this? Have you heard of anything like this?
[05:43] <poison--> only found rpm googlin
[05:43] <poison--> weird
[05:44] <Dr_willis> ugh.. last i looked the virtualbox homepage had ubuntu packages
[05:44] <Dr_willis> http://www.virtualbox.org/download/1.5.0/virtualbox_1.5.0-24069-1_Ubuntu_feisty_i386.deb
[05:45] <poison--> done dat
[05:45] <Dr_willis> deviance,  you are the first person i have ever heard of with a Over heating wifi key/gizmo. :)
[05:45] <deviance> :P
[05:45] <deviance> SDamn
[05:45] <deviance> Damn*
[05:46] <Dr_willis> Get a little external usb fan, and put on it. :)
[05:46] <poison--> when i try to install it, it says dependencies needed
[05:46] <Dr_willis> poison--,  and what ones......
[05:46] <poison--> think those are the ones
[05:46] <poison--> libxalan-c, libxerces-c and version 5 of libstdc++.
[05:46] <Dr_willis> since you are downloading the .deb and yusing dpkg -i whatever.deb you manually need to install the  related ones.
[05:46] <Dr_willis> I belive. :)
[05:46] <poison--> yeap
[05:46] <poison--> if i could only find em
[05:46] <poison--> :D
[05:46] <deviance> I  have just looked at a few reviews for it, and some others have it, I guess I could get a replacment but I cant remeber how long Ive had it! Ill buy a new one, do you recon an inbuilt pc card would be better? Is there a list of Ubuntu/Lubuntu compatible ones Dr_willis?
[05:47] <Dr_willis> ive had MUCH better luck with vmware then virtualbox
[05:47] <Dr_willis> deviance,  i dont touch wireless if i can help it.
[05:47] <Dr_willis> deviance,  except with a large hammer...
[05:47] <deviance> I could get a really big cable...
[05:48] <Dr_willis> Im, so used to my gigabit lan now.. that wireless is a big step backwards for me.
[05:48] <deviance> Is gigabit lan easy to set up? And will all my current file sharing and printer sharing work on it aswell?
[05:48] <Dr_willis> poison--,  the  http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads   site lists the entrys for your apt/source.list to let you apt-get install the thing.
[05:48] <deviance> Or will I have to set everything up again?
[05:48] <Dr_willis> deviance,  its identical to normal networking.
[05:49] <deviance> Oh ok
[05:49] <Dr_willis> just gotta make sure ya got gigibit switches. :) well i hear cat6 cable helps also. but i dont have any. so i cant tell about that part.
[05:51] <deviance> gigibit switches? cat6? Im unsure Dr_willis
[05:51] <Dr_willis> gigabit = speed 1000, you cant use speed 100 switches. :)
[05:51] <Dr_willis> well they will work.. but willkick down to speed 100
[05:51] <Dr_willis> so whats the point.
[05:51] <Dr_willis> of coruse you need gigibit network cards also. :) or whats the point.
[05:52] <deviance> How can I check if I have gigabit? I have built in lan
[05:52] <sainzeo> manchicken: ok, all updated
[05:52] <deviance> Lemme check my mobos box :P
[05:52] <manchicken> sainzeo: So just restart K and all should be good to go.
[05:52] <sainzeo> manchicken: did that, should i just try kopete and groupwise then and see what happens?
[05:52] <manchicken> Yup.
[05:52] <deviance> gigabit ethernet Dr_willis? I have one of thoes ports
[05:52] <sainzeo> manchicken: k, thanks again for everything!
[05:52] <deviance> And My wifi router has 3 free ports
[05:52] <manchicken> sainzeo: No problem.
[05:52] <poison--> <Dr_willis, did dat also :)
[05:53] <Dr_willis> deviance,  and i bet that the router ports are NOT gigibit ports.
[05:53] <deviance> Hmm
[05:53] <manchicken> sainzeo: Oh, btw, if you use a palm device with kpilot under 3.5.6, you're going to want to switch to using libusb for it under 3.5.7.
[05:53] <Dr_willis> poison--,  i just installed it with dpkg-i whatever.deb
[05:53] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:53] <deviance> I have one PC connecting to it already.
[05:53] <manchicken> sainzeo: But that's only if you use a palm device.
[05:53] <deviance> Lemme see....
[05:53] <Dr_willis> oh wait there was an error.. :)
[05:53] <sainzeo> manchicken: oh, well no palm so no problem
[05:54] <Dr_willis> The following NEW packages will be installed:  libxalan110 libxerces27 virtualbox
[05:55] <Dr_willis> Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe libxerces27 2.7.0-3 [1321kB] 
[05:55] <Dr_willis> Get:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe libxalan110 1.10-3 [1093kB] 
[05:55] <Dr_willis> THose were the 2 packages you cant find?
[05:56] <deviance> Dr_willis: I have An integrated, 4-port 10/100Base-T Ethernet switch also allows you to connect wired computers to the network. on my router
[05:56] <poison--> yeap
[05:56] <poison--> cause in the url says -c
[05:56] <Dr_willis> deviance,  100base is not 1000 base. :)
[05:56] <deviance> Damn, so does that mean it would be slow?
[05:56] <Dr_willis> deviance,  100 is 10x beter.. :) but not 10x faster.. heh heh...
[05:57] <poison--> gonna try the same way u did
[05:57] <Dr_willis> deviance,  not really slow..   but gigibit stuff is getting so common now.  i finially  upgraded my whome lan to it.
[05:57] <Dr_willis> if your pc dosetn have gigibit ports to the other gigibit pc' ports.. theres no point in it.
[05:57] <deviance> What speed does 100base go at do you know? And Coudl I run a cable from My gigabit to it?
[05:57] <Dr_willis> gigibit will NOT NOT NOT speed up your internet access.
[05:57] <deviance> No I see that.
[05:57] <Dr_willis> only the gb pc to other gb pc's :)
[05:58] <deviance> Hmm, so it would still work?
[05:58] <Dr_willis> Of course now im down to 2 pc's - one dont have gb networking.. so.. i aint making full use of it.
[05:58] <deviance> Ill get a new wifi card :(
[05:58] <Dr_willis> good luck there.
[05:58] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:59] <Dr_willis> Id need new wifi cards. and a new wifi router.. and so on. :) so i will stick with wired
[05:59] <Dr_willis> Plus i allready got the whole house wired
[06:01] <Dr_willis> poison--,  now this is interesting.. I got 2 feisty machines.. cant find those libs on one.. but did the other box.
[06:01] <poison--> think its a issue with repos
[06:01] <poison--> succefull installed it now
[06:01] <poison--> thanks mate
[06:03] <Dr_willis> http://papernapkin.org/pastebin/view/4516
[06:03] <Dr_willis> is my sources... :)
[06:03] <Dr_willis> oh NOW ya get it! :0
[06:03] <Dr_willis> heh heh
[06:03] <poison--> lmao
[06:03] <Dr_willis> a bad server? or what was the deal?
[06:04] <poison--> did it the hard way
[06:04] <poison--> apt-get install libxalan110
[06:04] <poison--> apt-get install libxerces27
[06:04] <poison--> :D
[06:05] <Dr_willis> sounds like a bug in their packaging.
[06:05] <Dr_willis> aha - i dident have feisty universe enabled on the other box.
[06:05] <poison--> lmao
[06:05] <poison--> i did
[06:05] <Dr_willis> nope.. stilldident do it.
[06:06] <aflaeh> cannot start kubuntu, kernel - panic
[06:06] <Dr_willis> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[06:06] <Dr_willis>   libxalan110: Depends: libxerces27 but it is not going to be installed
[06:06] <Dr_willis>   virtualbox: Depends: libxerces27 but it is not going to be installed
[06:06] <ubuntu> aflaeh: could it boot before?
[06:06] <Dr_willis> Hmm...
[06:06] <aflaeh> yes
[06:06] <ubuntu> aflaeh: Did you change anything?
[06:06] <aflaeh> did update yesterday
[06:06] <poison--> lol Willis
[06:06] <Dr_willis> BUT then a ---------->  apt-get install libxalan110 libxerces27
[06:07] <Dr_willis> works.. ya gotta install them both at the same time.. :)
[06:07] <Dr_willis> figure that out
[06:07] <Dr_willis> they depend on each other in a circle?
[06:07] <poison--> i didnt had to do that
[06:07] <ubuntu> Dr_willis: can't that be solved by installing them at the same time?
[06:07] <poison--> seemed dat xerces was installed already
[06:07] <Dr_willis> i cut/paste your lines. and it dident work your way poison--
[06:08] <Dr_willis> i did  apt-get install libxalan110 libxerces27   , and it did isntall them..
[06:08] <poison--> weird
[06:08] <Dr_willis> go figure.
[06:08] <poison--> lmao
[06:08] <Dr_willis> seen that befor in a few cases
[06:08] <Dr_willis> !info xalan
[06:08] <ubotu> xalan: XSLT processor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.10-3 (feisty), package size 25 kB, installed size 100 kB
[06:08] <Dr_willis> xalan was suggested.. but dident say why.. :)
[06:08] <Dr_willis> still no idea why its suggested
[06:08] <jthomas> hey does anyone have the root password for MachBoot, the superfast booting ISO from a few weeks ago on distrowatch.com?
[06:10] <Dr_willis> ok    http://www.machboot.com/     - is a scary web site. :)
[06:12] <Dr_willis> -->>>  Anyway, if you have any problem, please mail me freely. okajima@digitalinfra.co.jp
[06:12] <Dr_willis> You can mail him FREELY! :)
[06:13] <Dr_willis> There are forums at  http://bbs1.machboot.com:8000/mini/BBS/index.html   it seems. :)
[06:13] <ScorpKing> i'm installing drupal but when i go to the url it asks me if i want to save the phtml file. has apache gone mad? what mimetype is that?
[06:13] <genii> Dr_willis: Looks like some one-guy show there
[06:13] <tsb> I tried compiling kde 3.5 head from svn and now my panel menus don't work - I have the exact same problem as this guy http://archives.devshed.com/forums/kde-96/missing-module-in-configure-panel-dialog-830352.html and I can't seem to get it fixed..
[06:13] <Dr_willis> genii,  and a good case for engrish.com :)
[06:14] <Dr_willis> but  hes done more gpl work then i have!
[06:14] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:14] <fdoving> ScorpKing: missing .phtml php extension?
[06:14] <genii> heh
[06:14] <fdoving> ScorpKing: that is the apache config.
[06:14] <ubuntu> ScorpKing: What mimetype is it being served with?
[06:15] <ScorpKing> well, drupal is php and i have it installed, so it should work. let me go check if php for apache is installed.
[06:15] <Dr_willis> genii,  under the 'get root password' thread it says 'Push a red ball.' Heh heh.....
[06:15] <fdoving> tsb: did you compile kdelibs and kdebase from svn or just one of them?
[06:16] <tsb> fdoving: both of them, and both of them to /usr/local/kde-svn so I didn't overwrite any kununtu-stuff
[06:16] <fdoving> ScorpKing: in apache you need to add the extensions for the php-module to handle as php, i'm not sure .phtml is treated like php.
[06:16] <fdoving> tsb: ok. should work then i guess.
[06:17] <ScorpKing> fdoving: i'll check. thanks
[06:17] <genii> Dr_willis: Hmm
[06:17] <Dr_willis> genii,  i am now too scared to even download/try that thing. :)
[06:17] <ScorpKing> ah, i don't have libapache2-mod-php5! installing...
[06:18] <fdoving> ScorpKing: if you're using php5 that is /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf
[06:18] <fdoving> ScorpKing: then installing it is enough.
[06:18] <twylight> what's a good wyswyg html editor?
[06:18] <tsb> fdoving: http://rafb.net/p/7MlJY076.html those look okay?
[06:18] <fdoving> phtml is enabled by default.
[06:19] <jussi01> !info quanta | twylight:
[06:19] <ubotu> twylight:: quanta: web development environment for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 2382 kB, installed size 5728 kB
[06:19] <ScorpKing> fdoving: i used phpwebsite on my old box. i must have missed some packages. :)
[06:20] <poison--> <Dr_willis, gonna do a clean install of kubuntu, can i grab all the packages i already downloaded with adept to install after?
[06:20] <poison--> instead of downloading all again
[06:20] <genii> Dr_willis: Just for kicks now i am downloading :) Will burn it and mess around later at home
[06:21] <Dr_willis> poison--,  check whats in /var/cache/apt, backup that up. then restore. I guess. :)
[06:21] <fdoving> twylight: kompozer might be an alternative for you.
[06:21] <poison--> sweet
[06:21] <Dr_willis> poison--,  but not ALL of them may be in there.
[06:21] <poison--> :(
[06:21] <Dr_willis> poison--,  if you ahve a 2nd machinde. you can set up apt-file-caching server so only one machine on the lan ever needs to dnload stff.
[06:22] <ScorpKing> poison--: take a look at apt-move.
[06:22] <poison--> humm
[06:22] <ScorpKing> works wonders...
[06:22] <Dr_willis> !info apt-move
[06:22] <ubotu> apt-move: Maintain Debian packages in a package pool. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.2.26-1ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 48 kB, installed size 212 kB
[06:22] <poison--> problem is im using vmware, weird to move things to other partition
[06:23] <poison--> how do i install dat?
[06:23] <Dr_willis> poison--,  heh - set up ssh,? samba? heck just spawn a 2nd vmware machine...
[06:23] <ScorpKing> poison--: gimme a sec and i'll get a usefull link for you...
[06:23] <poison--> done :D
[06:23] <Dr_willis> The apt-move script is used to move a collection of Debian package files into a proper archive hierarchy of the form $LOCALDIR/dists/... where LOCALDIR is specified in the configuration file.
[06:24] <Dr_willis> http://www.wlug.org.nz/apt-move(8)
[06:24] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:24] <Dr_willis> gotta love html man pages
[06:24] <poison--> whossssssss yer daddy!!
[06:24] <poison--> lmao
[06:25] <Dr_willis> you might want to see how much stuff is even in the cache, befor ya worry about backing it up
[06:25] <ScorpKing> poison--: here is one more - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptMoveHowto :D
[06:25] <tzanger> haha
[06:25] <poison--> 700MB
[06:25] <DaSkreech> poison--: I think My daddy
[06:25] <poison--> eheheheh
[06:25] <Dr_willis> and 1/2 of that may be old/outdated packages
[06:25] <DaSkreech> poison--: Or at least that's what he told me
[06:25] <tzanger> sysrescuecd has no support for e1000, and I have no dvd+rw disks
[06:25] <tzanger> so much for using it to make images
[06:26] <Hammad> i m having problem installing Kubuntu from hard disk, laptop dvd rom not working
[06:26] <Dr_willis> Hmm... what is this eth1 device -->  eth1:avah    - that somthign to with the zeroconf stuff?
[06:27] <twylight> thanks
[06:27] <ScorpKing> poison--: you can setup another vm with only apache and use the files from apt-move as a local mirror on it.
[06:27] <poison--> gonna make some free space here first
[06:27] <poison--> 12GBs is not enough for kubuntu
[06:28] <DaSkreech> really?
[06:28] <ScorpKing> yes
[06:28] <ScorpKing> i have 12GB and i can't do much. :(
[06:28] <poison--> well, i have some mp3s and pics, so...
[06:28] <DaSkreech> Ah
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Right I always have the OS apart from the user directories in my head
[06:30] <ScorpKing> haha. drupal is working! oh yeah!
[06:31] <sainzeo> manchicken: looks like its working fine now! thanks for everything, and have a good one!
[06:32] <Hammad> Hello, i m having problem installing Kubuntu from harddisk
[06:32] <Hammad> i have copied contents of cd to HD and copied grub for DOS , and have entry in boot.ini to start grub
[06:32] <Hammad>  and in grub's menu.lst i have copied whole contents of /isolinux/isolinux.cfg as my entry
[06:33] <Hammad> kernel panic - no syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (8, 3)
[06:33] <DaSkreech> Hammad: Hold on
[06:34] <Hammad> okthanks DaSkreech
[06:36] <DaSkreech> Hammad: http://instantfundas.blogspot.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html
[06:37] <Hammad> tried...not works also
[06:38] <Hammad> says "cannot access tty or something alike"
[06:38] <DaSkreech> !nocdinstall is Wwould you like to stop wasting Cds and help mother earth? issue with your  optical drive booting? take a look at http://instantfundas.blogspot.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html and see if it helps either situation!
[06:38] <LjL> !ttyerror | Hammad
[06:38] <ubotu> Hammad: If you get an error on boot similar to  /bin/sh: can't access tty; job control turned off , you can try the fixes proposed at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TTYError
[06:39] <Hammad> actually my laptop dvdrom is in bad condition!
[06:39] <Hammad> ya same error
[06:40] <kenny__> hola
[06:48] <Hammad> DaSkreech: tell me Kubuntu kernel boot parameters so that i may boot it from GRUB for installing Kubuntu
[06:48] <Hammad> DaSkreech: full boot command
[06:49] <Hammad> like i have here : kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz
[06:49] <Hammad> initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.gz
[06:49] <Hammad> is it correct...well they aren;t
[06:49] <savetheWorld> Hi all - does KDE have a P&C/GUI ftp client?
[06:50] <DaSkreech> savetheWorld: P&C ?
[06:50] <senorpedro> savetheWorld: take konqueror
[06:50] <senorpedro> you can use gftp also
[06:50] <savetheWorld> Point and Click
[06:50] <DaSkreech> savetheWorld: Konqueror
[06:50] <senorpedro> savetheWorld: are you a heroes fan?
[06:50] <savetheWorld> senorpedro: I'm avoiding gnome tools so I dont have to load the gnome stuff and run the extra proccesses
[06:51] <senorpedro> ok, then konqueror
[06:51] <savetheWorld> senorpedro: yes i am, but the nick is not directly related to that. :-)
[06:51] <senorpedro> btw. gftp is no gnome tool, it just uses a gtk gui
[06:52] <savetheWorld> oh.
[06:52] <senorpedro> filezilla is also availible for linux (but using gtk)
[06:52] <savetheWorld> ok.
[06:53] <Hammad> any one gonna help me?
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Hammad: My computer doesn't wanna open up the menu.slt
[06:54] <zipper> So i just installed a new cpu and motherboard. Now my keyboard layout is messed up, and openGL doesnt work. What to do?
[06:54] <DaSkreech> Anyone can glance at the menu.lst and tell hammad the startup codes ?
[06:54] <DaSkreech> zipper: Swap your keyboard layout  and install  accelerated drivers
[06:55] <zipper> DaSkreech, already got the accelerated drivers, but i\ll reinstall them. Keyboard layout.... any hints where to find that?
[06:55] <Hammad> isolinux.cfg contains all booting parameters and commands...not i have copied whole commands into my grub boot entry
[06:56] <DaSkreech> Alt+Space -> System -> press enter -> Keyboard
[06:56] <Hammad> but this error comes up  kernel panic - no syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (8, 3)
[06:56] <zipper> !nvidia
[06:56] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:57] <zipper> DaSkreech, i cant get alt-space to work, but i suppose it\s the same as the Keyboard settings in System Settings?
[06:57] <DaSkreech> zipper: yup
[06:57] <zipper> if so, that doesnt show the keyboard layout anywhere
[06:57] <genii> DaSkreech: Maybe try menu.lst instead of menu.slt ;)
[06:58] <DaSkreech> genii: :-P
[06:59] <DaSkreech> genii: Apparently I don't have one
[06:59] <zipper> DaSkreech, any other suggestions on where to find keyboard layout settings?
[07:00] <DaSkreech> genii: take a quick gander at it for me
[07:00] <genii> DaSkreech: I'll do what i can
[07:01] <genii> DaSkreech: Hammad's VFS error you mean?
[07:01] <DaSkreech> zipper Gah!@
[07:02] <DaSkreech> genii: yes he wants to confirm his startup codes are kosher
[07:02] <DaSkreech> zipper: I was just cursing you :)
[07:02] <DaSkreech> zipper: Try Region and language
[07:02] <genii> Backscrolling, AFK
[07:04] <genii> Interesting, the VFS error during a normal grub boot would mean the initrd file was messy.
[07:05] <genii> Hammad: How did you copy the CD to HD? just put the .iso file onto the hard drive?
[07:06] <otzku> genii:In windows you could use Alcohol.
[07:06] <genii> otzku: Yes, to extract the contents.
[07:06] <Hammad> genii: no copied the contents...and setup GRUB for DOS...and menu.lst of GRUB for DOS i copied whole contents of /isolinux/isolinux.cfg
[07:06] <BluesKaj> otzku, yes but thank god alcohol isn't here
[07:08] <BluesKaj> one can easily copy an iso by using kiso
[07:08] <genii> Hammad: Can you please post to the pastebin website the contents of your c:\boot\grub\menu.lst file?
[07:08] <BluesKaj> no clunky alcohol to deal with
[07:08] <genii> !pastebin | hammad
[07:08] <ubotu> hammad: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:13] <DaSkreech> genii: Wild west days?
[07:14] <Hammad> genii, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38670/
[07:14] <genii> DaSkreech: Pretty much :)
[07:14] <genii> OK reading
[07:20] <genii_> bah ghosted
[07:20] <genii> OK, better
[07:21] <genii> Did my last 3 msgs get thru?
[07:21] <DaSkreech> Ok reading
[07:21] <genii> What is last after "OK reading"  ?
[07:21] <DaSkreech> ^^^
[07:21] <Hammad> bah ghosted OK, better what else?
[07:21] <genii> bah OK
[07:21] <genii> Hammad: everything from below line 8 can go. Also make sure to copy the iso file and not the extracted contents of the iso file to c:\  and the vmlinuz and the initrd.gz files to c:\boot
[07:22] <genii> Hammad: There may be another isue which could complicate but is also unlikely. windows will make any drive into c: even if it is not the drive which grub expects to be hd0
[07:22] <genii> Hammad: Physically in the computer, is that HD the master drive on the primary IDE cable?
[07:22] <Hammad> one partition 40G
[07:23] <genii> Hammad: Yes, that tells the size but it does not tell me if the bios sees the HD as primary master, primary slave, secondary master or secondary slave
[07:23] <Hammad> primary master
[07:24] <genii> If anywhere but primary master the grub hd0,0 will need to be adjusted...lag OK hd0 should be correct then
[07:24] <Hammad> when i boot of cd in my desktop and press F6 i got boot options: like this
[07:25] <genii> I am trying to remember now if the casper vmlinuz and/or initrd.gz are symlinks
[07:25] <Hammad> boot=casper integrity-check initrd=/casper/initrd.gz ramdisk_size=1048576 root=/dev/ram rw quiet splash
[07:25] <genii> Shouldn't be
[07:27] <venik> How do I find out which version of Kubuntu I am running?
[07:27] <venik> Is Gutsy out yet?
[07:27] <genii> Hammad: Change first parts to: boot=vmlinuz integrity-check initrd=/boot/initrd.gz         ** rest stays the same
[07:27] <Hammad> ok genii whats the solution...
[07:28] <genii> might need boot=/boot/vmlinuz
[07:28] <Hammad> and how kernel will come to know that other files are in iso?
[07:29] <genii> hammad: I don't normally install thru this way so i don't know the mechanics of how it knows where/how iso is or how to see it
[07:31] <venik> somehow, my sounds are all lost
[07:32] <DaSkreech> venik: lsb_release -a
[07:32] <DaSkreech> venik: no
[07:33] <Hammad> genii, Error 8: Kernel must be loaded before booting
[07:34] <genii> Hammad: Did you try previously no F6 and the default? If so what error
[07:34] <genii> googling, BRB
[07:35] <genii> bah firefox needs restart...i'll be a bit longer
[07:36] <uga> genii: hi there, what's up?
[07:37] <genii> uga: Trying to sort out Hammad's install issue. grub4dos way etc
[07:37] <genii> Hmm
[07:38] <genii> Hammad: What OS was on there? this whole procedure will not work with NTFS
[07:39] <Hammad> i have FAT32 just made 15G separate...just for FAT32 so i should rename hd(0,0)?
[07:40] <uga> genii: lol, the idea is nice... scanning for all partitions... but ... what if you have left out some buggy loader in a partition and it keeps booting with it? =)
[07:40] <uga> heh
[07:40] <uga> I never read about grub4dos before. I wonder the reason for the name, anyay
[07:40] <uga> w
[07:40] <coreymon77> okay, whats the problem
[07:40] <uga> oh, winders boot manager
[07:40] <uga> tahts' why...
[07:40] <genii> uga: It's surprisingly lacking in documentation :?
[07:41] <genii> :/ rather
[07:41] <uga> genii: http://grub4dos.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Grub4dos_tutorial#Difference_between_GRUB_for_DOS_and_GNU_GRUB
[07:41] <uga> are you there?
[07:41] <coreymon77> uga: what happened? reinstalled doze and now you cant boot?
[07:41] <uga> ignore the # part
[07:41] <uga> coreymon77: the target isn't me
[07:41] <uga> Hammad's box, using grub4dos, it seems
[07:42] <genii> Hammad: Hmm. Where is the fat32 partition you wish to try install from?
[07:43] <coreymon77> Hammad: what happened?
[07:43] <Hammad> i have 15G right at the start of HD set active, FAT32 and unallocated free space for formating to ext
[07:44] <coreymon77> Hammad:what happened?
[07:45] <Hammad> coreymon77: my laptop's cdrom not working,so i attached it to usb converter and copied Kubuntu cd files in Hardisk
[07:45] <genii> Hammad: so 15Gb(active)(fs=fat32?/NTFS?) some other partition (Fat32), unallocated
[07:45] <genii> ?
[07:45] <Hammad> coreymon77: then i copied grub4dos in /boot/grub
[07:45] <Hammad> genii: yes
[07:45] <genii> brb, fetching another coffee
[07:45] <Hammad> FAT32
[07:46] <coreymon77> Hammad: grub4dos? is that different from regular grub?
[07:46] <Hammad> coreymon77: and in menu.lst i tried many thing to boot up /casper/vmlinux & /casper/initrd.gz
[07:46] <genii> hammad:one minute i need caffeine :)
[07:46] <Hammad> i dont know...i m new to this Linux but not Mac & windows
[07:47] <coreymon77> Hammad: okay, did you install kubuntu?
[07:47] <genii> If anyone else wants to help tackle, working from http://instantfundas.blogspot.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html
[07:48] <Stevethepirate> "make: warning:  Clock skew detected.  Your build may be incomplete."  <-- wtf.. trying to compile jukebox3d .. any advice?
[07:48] <uga> genii: I think it'll be easier for me to burn the damn CD and send it over mail to him? =)
[07:48] <coreymon77> oh
[07:49] <coreymon77> is the fact that you cant burn the cd the problem?
[07:49] <deviance> Konqueror is designed to be preloaded but not shows and thats settable in the control pannel, but can you do the same for firefox?
[07:49] <venik> is there a VERSION command or something like it, to find out which version of Linux I am running?
[07:49] <uga> venik: uname -a
[07:50] <venik> I was actually trying to discover the version of Kubuntu I am running
[07:50] <coreymon77> venik: that would be in kubuntu help
[07:50] <llp78> Hi everyone Ive got no sound.. have looked into it and i noticed alsamixer is showing the wrong sound card - anyone know how to change the soundcard in alsamixer to another one?
[07:50] <genii> lsbrelease
[07:50] <llp78> any help would be goof
[07:50] <llp78> good
[07:51] <coreymon77> venik: in te about kubuntu section of the docs
[07:51] <Hammad> genii, begining waiting for root device
[07:51] <genii> no, need coffee then I can be lucid :)
[07:51] <genii> Hammad: Well, this is some progress
[07:52] <Hammad> coreymon77?
[07:52] <llp78> ive got 2 sound cards on my system the onboard one is pretty shit so i bought a sound blaster - but alsamixer points to the onboard card and not the sb
[07:52] <genii> hammad: This is from the default boot line with no F6 interrupting?
[07:52] <llp78> how would you restart the sound service ? can you do that ?
[07:53] <Hammad> genii: this is the simplest script : kernel (hd0,0)/boot/vmlinuz
[07:53] <Hammad> initrd (hd0,0)/boot/initrd.gz
[07:53] <Hammad> genii, yes
[07:53] <genii> Hammad: OK
[07:53] <user_> are there any other network managers other than knetworkmanager?
[07:54] <venik> I looked there but did not find anything that will tell me which version of Kubuntu I am running
[07:54] <BluesKaj> llp78, you will prolly have to go into BIOS peripherals to reset the default souncard, but you can try this first in the terminal: sudo asoundconf list .Then when you find the the card you want to use ,type this in the terminal: sudo asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[07:54] <uga> Stevethepirate: some files got future date or so. or you changed/adjusted the time while it's building
[07:54] <coreymon77> user_: i just use iwconfig
[07:54] <uga> Stevethepirate: that's not nice for Make, which needs to know what's the latest build
[07:54] <genii> venik: lsb_release rather
[07:54] <coreymon77> user_: skip the graphical front and go straight to the command line
[07:55] <coreymon77> Hammad: why not just order some cds from shipit?
[07:55] <uga> Stevethepirate: try make clean; find -exec touch {}; make
[07:55] <Stevethepirate> no worries
[07:55] <Stevethepirate> my internal time was wrong
[07:55] <uga> =)
[07:55] <teiwaz> can I use iwconfig to connect to wireless networks?
[07:55] <venik> no lsb modules are available
[07:56] <genii> Hammad: you know, for all the trouble, it actually might be worth it to wait for a CD from the mail
[07:56] <Stevethepirate> teiwaz: yeah.. kwifimanager is nice too
[07:56] <coreymon77> teiwaz: iwconfig is the command line way to connect
[07:56] <teiwaz> k
[07:56] <coreymon77> teiwaz: i use iwconfig and kwifimanager
[07:56] <coreymon77> teiwaz: the command works like this
[07:56] <teiwaz> knetworkmanager seems to have a known bug with some wep routers
[07:56] <venik> seems weird that there is no simple way to find out the version of the OS
[07:57] <coreymon77> teiwaz: do you have a wep key?
[07:57] <Hammad> genii, but the core problem is my laptop cdrom drive
[07:57] <teiwaz> for some networks
[07:57] <coreymon77> venik: go into the kubuntu help docs
[07:57] <coreymon77> venik: and the go to about kubuntu
[07:57] <uga> Hammad: what's up with the drive?
[07:57] <uga> doesn't work fine?
[07:57] <llp78> BluesKaj: you've just solved the problem - well i have sound for now - thanks
[07:57] <uga> Hammad: you can't get any friend to burn it for you, or lend you a usb CD drive?
[07:58] <uga> cd writer, I mean
[07:58] <sainzeo> hey all, when i'm attempting to transfer files (music, images,etc) kubuntu will suddenly lock-up and I have to power down in order to restart - any thoughts?
[07:58] <BluesKaj> llp78, good :)
[07:58] <venik> I did--   all the stuff there talks about 7.04
[07:58] <venik> is THAT how I am supposed to discover the version I am using?
[07:58] <genii> venik: 7.04 =Feisty
[07:58] <venik> thanks-- that is NOT my question
[07:58] <coreymon77> venik: what do you want then?
[07:58] <venik> but ok
[07:59] <venik> I want to find out which command to use to find out that, for example, my upgrade to Gutsy has worked
[07:59] <Hammad> my laptop is old one cant boot off usb port...
[07:59] <venik> namely, I want the OS to tell me what version it is
 is there a VERSION command or something like it, to find out which version of Linux I am running<uga> venik: uname -a<venik> I was actually trying to discover the version of Kubuntu I am running
[08:00] <uga> venik: didn't I tell you up there, around 1 h ago?
[08:00] <uga> venik: uname -a
[08:00] <uga> that's the OS version
[08:00] <coreymon77> venik: if the docs say 7.04, then you are using feisty
[08:00] <venik> 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Sun Sep 23 19:50:39 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:00] <venik> nothing there about Gutsy or Feisty
[08:00] <uga> venik: that's the OS version. You're using linux 2.6.20, build 126
[08:00] <uga> 16
[08:00] <uga> another thing is you want the distro name. There's one file... lemme remember =)
[08:01] <coreymon77> teiwaz: okay, anyways
[08:01] <venik> I guess it must be my inadequate English
[08:01] <sainzeo> hey all, when i'm attempting to transfer files (music, images,etc) kubuntu will suddenly lock-up and I have to power down in order to restart - any thoughts?
[08:01] <coreymon77> teiwaz: the command goes like this
[08:01] <teiwaz> k
[08:01] <coreymon77> teiwaz: sudo iwconfig essid [your network essid]  key [your wep key] 
[08:01] <venik> The OS tells me what version it is when I reboot, but it does NOT tell me what version of Kubuntu it is running
[08:01] <kreib> how can i make a script run everytime after kubuntu has loaded?
[08:01] <uga> venik: cat /etc/issue.net
[08:02] <SlimeyPete> or uname -r
[08:02] <coreymon77> teiwaz: the key part is only needed if the network is encrypted
[08:02] <coreymon77> teiwaz: oh ya
[08:02] <coreymon77> teiwaz: i forgot
[08:02] <uga> but not sure if that's standard among all distros. There was one file... I believe specified by LSB
[08:02] <venik> thank you-- that is what I was looking for
[08:02] <uga> anyone knows?
[08:02] <sainzeo> hey all, when i'm attempting to transfer files (music, images,etc) kubuntu will suddenly lock-up and I have to power down in order to restart - this seems to happen only when i'm copying files from a SAMBA share to my kubuntu laptop..any ideas?
[08:02] <coreymon77> teiwaz: what are you using, eth0/1, ra0/1, wlan0/1,ath0/1
[08:02] <venik> for this very highly intuitive, self-explanatory way of finding out which Kubuntu version I am running
[08:02] <venik> why didn't I think of that?
[08:03] <teiwaz> "unrecognized wireless request (then it lists the network I'm trying to connect to)
[08:03] <teiwaz> eth1
[08:03] <uga> "he file is a text file which contains a message or system identification to be printed before the login prompt of a telnet session."
[08:03] <uga> oh,
[08:03] <uga> venik: it's not the correct way to get it. Just a message shown when somebody connects... lemme check more
[08:03] <BluesKaj> venik, lsb_release -a
[08:03] <coreymon77> teiwaz: okay
[08:03] <coreymon77> teiwaz: i forgot a part of the command
[08:03] <teiwaz> k
[08:03] <coreymon77> teiwaz: do this
[08:04] <coreymon77> teiwaz: sudo iwconfig eth1 essid [your essid]  key [wep key] 
[08:04] <venik> yes, that was better.  Thanks
[08:04] <coreymon77> for example
[08:04] <nekooni> hello, is there anyone i could query for some help with my fake-raid boot problem ?
[08:04] <coreymon77> teiwaz: sudo iwconfig eth1 essid asdf key 12345
[08:04] <genii> Hammad: Still bearing with us?
[08:04] <uga> okay, found it!!!! =)
[08:04] <uga> venik: /etc/lsb-release
[08:04] <uga> that's the correct way
[08:05] <uga> cat /etc/lsb-release to get it
[08:05] <Hammad> no...i am learning! :-)
[08:05] <uga> part of the LSB standard
[08:05] <teiwaz> k, it looks like it ran clean
[08:05] <keito> I've installed KDE on my ubuntu desktop a while back and now want to remove it.  I thought I installed kubuntu-desktop but looking in synaptic it would appear not.  how do I remove all the packages at once now? -- are there other kde desktop  packages out there?
[08:05] <coreymon77> teiwaz: good
[08:05] <teiwaz> however iwconfig still shows me as being unassociated
[08:05] <coreymon77> teiwaz: you on wired right now?
[08:05] <teiwaz> negative, EVDO cell phone
[08:06] <teiwaz> via wvdial
[08:06] <coreymon77> teiwaz: okay
[08:06] <uga> BluesKaj: oh, damn, why don't you colorise your comments or CC to me, so that I don't waste my time digging ;)
[08:06] <coreymon77> teiwaz: you did the iwconfig command?
[08:06] <uga> BluesKaj: btw,... "No LSB modules are available."
[08:06] <nekooni> or, if this is quick to answer: kernel is 2.6.20-16, using update-initramfs gives me the error "eval: 1: array_dmraid~=: not found" and i have no idea what this message wants to tell me :/
[08:06] <teiwaz> ifconfig shows eth1 with a 169.x.x.x ip
[08:06] <uga> what are lsb modules meant to be?
[08:06] <teiwaz> yeah
[08:07] <jimmacdonald> Ok stupid linux question.  How do I securely copy files between two Ubuntu boxen on the same network?
[08:08] <Chousuke> jimmacdonald: with scp
[08:08] <emilsedgh> jimmacdonald: ssh?
[08:09] <Chousuke> scp local_file user@remote_host:target_dir/
[08:09] <coreymon77> teiwaz: why ifconfig
[08:09] <Chousuke> you need -r if copying directories.
[08:09] <coreymon77> teiwaz: do the iwconfig command again
[08:09] <coreymon77> teiwaz: and then jsut type iwconfig
[08:09] <Chousuke> jimmacdonald: and an ssh server running on the target machine.
[08:09] <teiwaz> oh, I wasn't sure if iwconfig would show me my ip address
[08:09] <BluesKaj> uga, i thought venik just wanted to know which distro he was running ... i guess he upgraded :)
[08:09] <emilsedgh> sudo apt-get install openssh-server on one of them then from konqueror go to fish:/username@host (its same as Chousuke said, just easier)
[08:10] <teiwaz> I did that, and it said unassociated
[08:10] <coreymon77> tyep iwconfig into console, just the one word
[08:10] <Hammad> ok guys i got no solution for my problem ... but to change my laptop DVDROM Driver
[08:10] <uga> BluesKaj: yeah, but I didn't know the lsb command ;)
[08:10] <coreymon77> teiwaz: put the output in pastebin
[08:10] <teiwaz> which is why I also ran ifconfig, to verify that I was indeed not conected
[08:10] <uga> I was grepping through teh whole of etc until I found it
[08:10] <Hammad> thanks for your time and best regards....
[08:10] <BluesKaj> i keep them in a text file on the desktop as a reference
[08:10] <Hammad> Thanks you!
[08:11] <coreymon77> teiwaz: has wireless ever worked?
[08:11] <Menda> hi
[08:11] <teiwaz> yup
[08:11] <coreymon77> teiwaz: so whats the matter right now?
[08:11] <teiwaz> just one day it started crapping out at 28% (configuring device)
[08:11] <coreymon77> teiwaz: ah
[08:11] <coreymon77> okay
[08:11] <teiwaz> did some research, and it seems that knetworkmanager has some issues
[08:11] <teiwaz> so was looking for alternatives
[08:12] <coreymon77> teiwaz: kwifimanager
[08:12] <coreymon77> teiwaz: use apt to get it
[08:12] <teiwaz> ran that one, it keeps just showing "out of range"
[08:13] <coreymon77> teiwaz: okay
[08:13] <teiwaz> even though rescanning networks does show me all of the local networks
[08:13] <coreymon77> paste the output of iwconfig in pastebin
[08:13] <coreymon77> teiwaz: okay?
[08:13] <teiwaz> done
[08:13] <teiwaz> want me to post it here? or?
[08:13] <coreymon77> www.pastebin.ca
[08:13] <teiwaz> k
[08:13] <teiwaz> one sec
[08:14] <coreymon77> teiwaz: paste it there and then give me the post url
[08:14] <teiwaz> http://www.pastebin.ca/716287
[08:14] <teiwaz> that's pretty sweet
[08:15] <coreymon77> teiwaz: its used so that you dont flood the channel
[08:15] <teiwaz> yeah
[08:15] <jimmacdonald> got it guys scp was what I was looking for... I use a different methodology at work. (a unique version of Rdist)
[08:15] <teiwaz> I wasn't gonna paste all that without explicit instructions to ;)
[08:15] <coreymon77> teiwaz: thats all iwconfig says?
[08:16] <teiwaz> and I don't like /msging in help channels, in case someone else is having my same issues
[08:16] <coreymon77> teiwaz: thats all it says?
[08:16] <teiwaz> that's what I get from iwconfig > output, then uploading output
[08:16] <coreymon77> teiwaz: okay then
[08:16] <uga> teiwaz: how about stderr output?
[08:17] <uga> > output would only show stdout afaik
[08:17] <uga> >output.txt 2>&1
[08:17] <uga> should do
[08:17] <coreymon77> teiwaz: try this
[08:17] <teiwaz> iwconfig shows basically the same thing, it just lists all of the other network adapters, and says "no wireless extensions"
[08:17] <coreymon77> teiwaz: iwconfig eth1 scan
[08:17] <genii> Hmm finding some interesting info on no cd install here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=28948 but much conflicting/obfuscated stuff to sift through
[08:17] <teiwaz> unrecognized wireless request
[08:18] <coreymon77> teiwaz: oh, i think thats an ifcommand
[08:18] <coreymon77> teiwaz: ifcommand eth1 scan
[08:18] <teiwaz> you mean ifconfig?
[08:18] <coreymon77> teiwaz: ya, sorry
[08:18] <teiwaz> scan: unknown host
[08:19] <sainzeo> anyone know where i can find a weather applet for the taskbar?
[08:19] <acidBURN> in kontact ,when select a contact, to send a IM to him,
[08:19] <coreymon77> teiwaz: okay
[08:19] <acidBURN> the message tells me, no-instant messaging app
[08:19] <coreymon77> teiwaz: nevermind that
[08:19] <uga> isn't it iwlist scan?
[08:19] <uga> =)
[08:20] <spark_> hey guys
[08:20] <coreymon77> teiwaz: ya, that
[08:20] <coreymon77> uga: i can never get that command right!
[08:20] <uga> man iwlist ;)
[08:20] <mrdigital> in kunbuntu fiesty whats the root password?
[08:20] <coreymon77> mrdigital: unless you have changed it, your user password
[08:21] <mrdigital> authentication failed
[08:21] <mrdigital> the setup never asked for a root password
[08:21] <mrdigital> and my user password doesnt work either
[08:21] <coreymon77> mrdigital: you using su or sudo?
[08:21] <mrdigital> su
[08:21] <teiwaz> bah
[08:22] <grul> maybe he's just shy
[08:22] <teiwaz> pastebin keeps returning errors no
[08:22] <teiwaz> now
[08:22] <coreymon77> mrdigital: su doesnt work in kubuntu
[08:22] <coreymon77> mrdigital: or any of the other *buntus
[08:22] <coreymon77> mrdigital: use sudo
[08:23] <mrdigital> how do i get a root prompt in kunbutu
[08:23] <kkathman> coreymon77:  sure it does you just have to enable it :)
[08:23] <coreymon77> kkathman: ya, but sudo -s works jsut fine
[08:23] <coreymon77> kkathman: no need
[08:23] <coreymon77> mrdigital: sudo -s
[08:23] <kkathman> depends  on what you are used to :)
[08:23] <coreymon77> teiwaz: okay, heres what we do
[08:23] <mrdigital> thank you
[08:23] <coreymon77> teiwaz: open system settings
[08:24] <coreymon77> teiwaz: go to networking
[08:25] <uga> coreymon77: you can sudo su ;)
[08:25] <uga> or passwd and then su
[08:25] <drmartins> :)
[08:25] <kkathman> yep
[08:25] <Chousuke> sudo -s!
[08:25] <kkathman> thank you uga :)
[08:25] <Chousuke> :(
[08:25] <coreymon77> i know i know
[08:25] <kkathman> hehe
[08:26] <coreymon77> im tallking about defaults
[08:26] <uga> :P
[08:26] <coreymon77> sudo -s works perfectly fine
[08:26] <coreymon77> no need for su
[08:26] <spark_> hey guys, is there any way to save the streams i want to rip with kstreamripper or do i have to type them again everytime i restart the program?
[08:26] <Chousuke> yeah, and sudo -i to
[08:26] <Chousuke> too*
 mrdigital: su doesnt work in kubuntu
[08:26] <kkathman> thats not what you said
[08:26] <Chousuke> important difference.
[08:26] <uga> I really wonder if leaving sudo passwordless makes one's system much easier to compromise than without
[08:26] <coreymon77> teiwaz: give me a sec, i gotta boot up my linux box
[08:26] <Chousuke> kkathman: it's useless on kubuntu
[08:26] <kkathman> you said it doesnt work - it does work,....just is disabled :)
[08:26] <coreymon77> kkathman: i meant by default
[08:26] <kkathman> Chousuke:  I disagree
[08:27] <kkathman> there are MANY times that su is very useful
[08:27] <coreymon77> kkathman: he seems to be new, atleast to kubuntu, i wasnt going to go into details
[08:27] <Chousuke> and those are?
[08:27] <kkathman> especially the more you do at the cli
[08:27] <Chousuke> kkathman: sudo -s does everything su does
[08:27] <coreymon77> kkathman: Chousuke take it to offtppic
[08:27] <kkathman> Chousuke:  like copying across networks of dissimilar distros
[08:27] <coreymon77> offtopic*
[08:27] <uga> Chousuke: except it doesn't change to /root home
[08:27] <uga> right?
[08:27] <Chousuke> uga: sudo -s does iirc
[08:27] <Chousuke> sudo -i doesn't
[08:28] <Chousuke> or maybe it was the other way around
[08:28] <teiwaz> k, sorry, had to field a phone call
[08:28] <uga> Chousuke: uhm... okay, else it writes your home files as root and you can run into a little trouble later
[08:28] <coreymon77> kkathman: give me a sec to boot up my kubuntu box
[08:28] <teiwaz> k
[08:28] <coreymon77> kkathman: sorry, wrong person
[08:28] <coreymon77> teiwaz: that was directed to you
[08:29] <teiwaz> yeah
[08:29] <teiwaz> no worries
[08:29] <teiwaz> I appreciate it
[08:29] <uga> Chousuke: it doesnt:
[08:29] <uga> uga@dpcuga:~$ sudo -s
[08:29] <uga> root@dpcuga:~# echo $HOME
[08:29] <uga> /home/uga
[08:29] <coreymon77> everyon
[08:29] <coreymon77> e
[08:29] <uga> Chousuke: have fun ;)
[08:29] <teiwaz> It's just annoying to have to boot back into windows to get onto a wireless network
[08:29] <Chousuke> uga: sudo -i then
[08:29] <coreymon77> take the sudo vs su argument to offtopic
[08:29] <coreymon77> it doesnt belong here
[08:30] <coreymon77> teiwaz: ill fix that
[08:30] <coreymon77> teiwaz: go into system settings
[08:30] <uga> Chousuke: bingo ;)
[08:30] <teiwaz> k, I have kpanel open
[08:30] <teiwaz> and system settings
[08:31] <coreymon77> teiwaz: system settings-network settings
[08:31] <parsnip> hey all
[08:31] <coreymon77> go to network settings
[08:31] <teiwaz> k
[08:31] <coreymon77> teiwaz: click admin mode at the bottom
[08:31] <parsnip> how can you make firefox load up maximised, mine only loads up as a small window
[08:31] <teiwaz> done
[08:31] <coreymon77> teiwaz: is eth1 in the list of interfaces?
[08:31] <teiwaz> I'm rooted
[08:31] <teiwaz> yup
[08:32] <coreymon77> teiwaz: and is kwifimanager open?
[08:32] <drmartins> gnome the best:))
[08:32] <teiwaz> negative
[08:32] <teiwaz> open it?
[08:32] <coreymon77> teiwaz: okay, open it and minimize it to the sys tray
[08:32] <teiwaz> done
[08:32] <coreymon77> teiwaz: it should always be kept open
[08:32] <coreymon77> okay
[08:33] <uga> LOL http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2007092601726NWCY
[08:33] <teiwaz> yeah
[08:33] <teiwaz> I had knetworkmanager open instead
[08:33] <teiwaz> I switched them
[08:33] <coreymon77> teiwaz: click on eth1, and then go to configure
[08:33] <coreymon77> teiwaz: you in the configure window/
[08:33] <coreymon77> ?
[08:33] <nAgoHaK> hi!
[08:34] <teiwaz> yeah
[08:34] <teiwaz> put in ssid and key
[08:34] <coreymon77> teiwaz: is this your usual network
[08:35] <coreymon77> teiwaz: as in, is this the one that you are on most often
[08:35] <parsnip> got it, never mind :)
[08:35] <teiwaz> nah, but I don't mind going in and tinkering if I have to
[08:35] <coreymon77> teiwaz: lappy or desktop?
[08:35] <teiwaz> I just want to be able to get on a network in under a minute or two
[08:35] <teiwaz> lappy
[08:35] <coreymon77> teiwaz: okay
[08:35] <coreymon77> teiwaz: is this your default network?
[08:36] <teiwaz> no, and I've purged it from the list of networks in knetworkmanager
[08:36] <teiwaz> this is the wireless at my wifes office
[08:36] <coreymon77> teiwaz: oh
[08:36] <teiwaz> I've also uninstalled and reinstalled knetworkmanager
[08:36] <coreymon77> teiwaz: alright, so you dont want to connect to this one automatically when you turn on your computer every time
[08:36] <teiwaz> I'm wondering if it could be a device issue at this point
[08:37] <teiwaz> I don't mind if it does, I can easily disable that
[08:37] <coreymon77> w/e
[08:37] <coreymon77> teiwaz: check the activate when computer starts if you want
[08:37] <teiwaz> k
[08:37] <coreymon77> press okay
[08:37] <coreymon77> teiwaz: now go to the routes tab
[08:38] <coreymon77> teiwaz: and put your router's ip into there
[08:38] <teiwaz> k
[08:38] <coreymon77> teiwaz: now go to the domain name system tab
[08:38] <coreymon77> teiwaz: do you know this networks dns?
[08:39] <teiwaz> if need be I can use the router as dns
[08:39] <coreymon77> teiwaz: what router?
[08:39] <coreymon77> teiwaz: company?
[08:40] <teiwaz> hold on a sec
[08:41] <teiwaz> bah
[08:41] <teiwaz> g2g... thanks for the help though
[08:41] <coreymon77> teiwaz: but we are not done yet
[08:45] <Webbmaster> hio
[08:45] <Webbmaster> h
[08:45] <Webbmaster> hi
[08:46] <coreymon77> Webbmaster: hi
[08:46] <soon> anyone know if I can run a 32bit programme (Stata 8 from www.stata.com) on my 64 bit AMD based box?
[08:47] <mefisto_> what's the shutdown option to force fsck on reboot?
[08:47] <Webbmaster> any idea why i can kdesu into other user;s graphical programs in feisty but not gutsy?
[08:48] <august_> i have a problem with linux
[08:48] <BluesKaj> soon , yes
[08:48] <august_> wondering if anyone could help
[08:49] <Webbmaster> august_: tell us what it is, and we;ll see
[08:49] <august_> am trying to run my pc to my tv.  But i do not now how to get the screen over to the tv
[08:49] <soon> BluesKaj - ia32 chroot ?
[08:49] <august_> i have the cord in the pc...but everytime i restart the pc it doesnt come on the tv
[08:50] <august_> i dont know what to push or anything.  Is there anywhere i can go into and click it over to the tv?  I know you can do it on windows...
[08:51] <august_> anyone know this problem?
[08:51] <august_> im trying to watch movies from my pc on my bigscreen....but it doesnt work ...the cord is in!!
[08:51] <mefisto_> I did sudo shutdown -r -F now, but it didn't do a fsck on reboot. what did I get wrong?
[08:51] <Webbmaster> august_: ive not tried getting my pc on my tv so i dunno
[08:52] <Webbmaster> august_: what type of cable are you using?
[08:52] <august_> not sv but the other cable...the one that looks like a monitor cable
[08:53] <august_> anyone have a clue?
[08:53] <Webbmaster> august_: hmmm
[08:53] <august_> isnt there anywhere i can go in to get it over to the tv???
[08:53] <Webbmaster> august_: have you got it to work at all?
[08:53] <august_> nope
[08:55] <Webbmaster> do you konw whether your video out is compatible with linux?
[08:55] <august_> anyone know how to get the picture on the pc to the tv?? i have the chords and everything is plugged in
[08:57] <BillTheFish> I'm not sure if i'm in the right channel here, I'm having a hell of a time figureing out how to record audio.. thus far i've only gotten noise.. Double checked the connection of the mic.. its in the mic slot.. anyone have any thoughts?
[09:01] <Webbmaster> anyone able to help with broken packages?
[09:02] <BluesKaj> Webbmaster, do yo have synaptic ?
[09:02] <Webbmaster> BluesKaj: erm no
[09:03] <Indice> BillTheFish: I cannot record even stream radio even with the program for recording radio
[09:03] <Webbmaster> couldn't i do it through command line as easily as synaptic?
[09:03] <Indice> %\
[09:03] <Indice> u could
[09:03] <Webbmaster> but how?
[09:04] <BluesKaj> Webbmaster, synaptic will detect broken pkges and in it's edit file and there's an option to fix them
[09:05] <Webbmaster> BluesKaj: bah, ill install it then
[09:05] <BillTheFish> well i think i'm close to fixing the issue.. i think.. when i record.. i get noise.. so its not like absolutely nothing.. you get the same Indice?
[09:05] <BluesKaj> Webbmaster, in the terminal : sudo apt-get install synaptic
[09:05] <Webbmaster> BluesKaj: yeah i know that much :D
[09:05] <BluesKaj> good :)
[09:06] <colubro> ciao
[09:06] <blain_> Folk -- I'm having trouble trying to reconfigure my printer settings -- getting the CUPS error "server-error-internal-error" when I try to tell it to not print from the color cartridge -- didn't realize it was making black out of the color cartridge until the black turned to pink.
[09:06] <BluesKaj> one never knows in here , what ppl know and don't know :)
[09:06] <soon> Answers to my previous question are answered (mostly) here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebootstrapChroot  .. just in case others look for it ....
[09:06] <Webbmaster> BluesKaj: yeah, i guess so
[09:06] <Webbmaster> im actually compiling gansh from source atm :D
[09:06] <blain_> googling indicates that this error is damn near useless, but that it might have something to do with permissions someplace.
[09:07] <blain_> Any wild ass guesses as to what's going on and how to fix it?
[09:07] <colubro> italiani
[09:08] <blain_> (fwiw, I'm running a constantly updated Feisty system).
[09:09] <tzanger> if I"ve got an aptoncd cd image with a bunch of updates already downloaded on it, how on earth do I tell adept to use those first,a nd only download if it can't find the file there?
[09:09] <tzanger> I've got the cdrom added to the repo list
[09:10] <soon> at the page I linked above, it reads: sudo sed -i s/dapper/breezy/g /var/chroot/etc/apt/sources.list #point apt-get to the right release
[09:11] <soon> I need sed to point to fiesty ... what should the s/dapper/breezy/g be changed to ???
[09:12] <TameLion> tzanger: It should use the CD-ROM first automatically, unless the versions in the repos are newer
[09:13] <jussi01> blain_: what up?
[09:15] <sainzeo> hey all, i'm unable to start a groupwise conversation in kopete - it gives an error - any suggestions?
[09:15] <blain_> jussi01 -- the printer problem I mentioned above.
[09:16] <jussi01> blain_: can you give it to me again?
[09:16] <blain_> I'm having trouble trying to reconfigure my printer settings -- getting the CUPS error "server-error-internal-error" when I try to tell it to not print from the color cartridge -- didn't realize it was making black out of the color cartridge until the black turned to pink.
[09:18] <jussi01> blain_: ahhh... cups... (cups = cant usually print stuff). lol you could try asking in ##cups
[09:18] <dim__> hello all, when is the next release of kubuntu?
[09:19] <stamen> hi
[09:19] <sainzeo> dim_: october
[09:19] <stamen> how can I upgrade my openofiice to the latest version on their web site?
[09:19] <jussi01> !gutsy | dim__
[09:19] <ubotu> dim__: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[09:19] <dim__> and will the DVD version of kubuntu ever be available for free shipping?
[09:19] <blain_> jussi01 -- Okay.
[09:19] <stamen> I am usin feisty
[09:19] <mrdigital> hey i think i broke KDE i installed the nvidia driver and now when i boot
[09:19] <stamen> and there is still no upgrade for openoffice
[09:19] <mrdigital> it displays Nvidia logo. then the kubuntu screen where it loads the desktop etc it gets to the desktop and that goes away
[09:19] <TameLion> dim_ 18th oct
[09:20] <jussi01> stamen: Wait for gutsy - in 1 month
[09:20] <mrdigital> and now i have a blank desktop no taskbar or anything
[09:20] <stamen> but if I don't want gutsy
[09:20] <stamen> what can I do
[09:20] <mrdigital> any idea?
[09:20] <quixogre> afternoon all
[09:21] <quixogre> anyone need help from a noob?
[09:21] <dim__> ubotu: "(due October 2007) | It is development software": do you mean it is in beta?
[09:22] <jussi01> !bot | dim__:
[09:22] <ubotu> dim__:: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:22] <jussi01> dim__: it will be beta in a few days
[09:22] <genii> dim__: October 17th is tentative release date
[09:23] <BluesKaj> mrdigital, ctrl+alt+F2 , type : startkde , if nothing happens : startx
[09:23] <sainzeo> hey all, i'm unable to start a groupwise conversation in kopete - it gives an error - any suggestions?
[09:24] <TameLion> mrdigital: Re-instate your backup of xorg.config if you get into trouble
[09:25] <quixogre> sainzeno, what error does it give?
[09:26] <quixogre> sainzeo*
[09:26] <mrdigital> i kinda broke my xorg.config backup
[09:26] <jussi01> anyone know if this page is in english somewhere? I cant seem to find it...
[09:26] <jussi01> http://wiki.ubuntu-it.org/Hardware/Video/Ati/RadeonDriver
[09:26] <mrdigital> BluesKaj: if i do startx then it loads and i get the loading desktop icon and poof blank desktop
[09:27] <mrdigital> i did a update kde maybe that will fix it
[09:27] <jussi01> mrdigital: this command gives you a clean xorg - as you would get from a new install: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[09:27] <BluesKaj> mrdigital, make sure you have 'kubuntu-desktop' installed
[09:28] <BluesKaj> mrdigital, check in adept
[09:28] <BluesKaj> in apt  rather
[09:28] <quixogre> anyone know the apt-get command for gtk+ package install?
[09:29] <ronald> hola
[09:29] <quixogre> sorry, no hablamos
[09:29] <Webbmaster> hmm this program isn't removing :S
[09:30] <TameLion> quixogre: If you mean the gtk+ libs, try libgtk2.0-0
[09:30] <jussi01> Webbmaster: ?
[09:30] <BluesKaj> mrdigital, at the prompt like before: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:30] <Webbmaster> jussi01: im trying to apt-get remove something
[09:30] <ronald> alguien es de peru?
[09:30] <Webbmaster> subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 2
[09:31] <jussi01> Webbmaster: have you tried 'sudo apt-get install -f' ?
[09:31] <TameLion> ronald: try channel #Kubuntu-es
[09:31] <quixogre> !spanish |ronald
[09:31] <ubotu> ronald: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[09:31] <Webbmaster> jussi01: yes
[09:31] <jussi01> Webbmaster: and?
[09:31] <TameLion> hehehe thanks quixogre
[09:31] <mrdigital> ok im at loadingn the window manager and it seems to hang here now
[09:32] <ronald> gracias
[09:32] <Webbmaster> jussi01: its installs its dependencies
[09:32] <mrdigital> how could  i have lost kubuntu-desktop?
[09:32] <quixogre> i tried the install for libgtk2.0.0...no luck
[09:33] <jussi01> Webbmaster: how did you install the package in the first place?
[09:33] <Nik> can someone help me with installing a bootsplash?
[09:33] <Webbmaster> jussi01: apt-get
[09:33] <Webbmaster> i think i might have mucked up one of the files it installed :S
[09:33] <quixogre> whats the problem Nik>
[09:33] <jussi01> Webbmaster: which package?
[09:33] <TameLion> quixogre: what is telling you about needing gtk?
[09:33] <Webbmaster> jussi01: iced tea
[09:33] <Nik> there isnt /etc/bootsplash
[09:33] <Phlogi> can I have multiple identities in thunderbird like in kmail? I mean so that I can send from different email adresses over the same send server.
[09:33] <quixogre> tamelion: trying to install wireshark. its needing gtk+ dev libs
[09:33] <Webbmaster> jussi01: its not in an official repo
[09:34] <TameLion> quixogre: Ahhh.. try libgtk2.0-dev ;)
[09:34] <mrdigital> im still hanging at the kubuntu loading window manager screen
[09:34] <jussi01> Webbmaster: ahh
[09:35] <Webbmaster> jussi01: is htere not a brute force method of removal?
[09:35] <jussi01> mrdigital: how is your disk space?
[09:35] <mrdigital> good
[09:35] <jussi01> Webbmaster: yes, there is... just trying to remember how...
[09:35] <quixogre> tamelion: that did the trick. thanks
[09:35] <TameLion> np
[09:36] <Nik> can someone help me with installing a bootsplash?
[09:36] <quixogre> nik, look in /etc/kde/bootsplash
[09:36] <Nik> ok
[09:36] <BluesKaj> Webbmaster, how did you install the pkg initially ?
[09:37] <jussi01> Webbmaster: it may work if you grab the actual deb and dpkg -r packagename.deb but im not certain of that
[09:37] <jussi01> BluesKaj: apt-get
[09:37] <BluesKaj> mrdigital, did you , sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop at the prompt ?
[09:37] <jussi01> third party repo
[09:37] <Webbmaster> jussi01: ill try that
[09:37] <jussi01> Webbmaster: good luck
[09:37] <jussi01> :)
[09:37] <Nik> quixogre: kde3 dosent have it and i dont have a kde
[09:38] <quixogre> nik okies. lemme check right quick, see if i can find it on my system...running kde correct?
[09:38] <Nik> yea
[09:38] <mrdigital> yes says already installed
[09:38] <Nik> fresh install of kubuntu
[09:38] <BluesKaj> Webbmaster, sudo apt-get remove -f 'packagename' , doesn't work ?
[09:39] <Webbmaster> BluesKaj: 1 sec
[09:39] <jussi01> BluesKaj: doh... thats what i was trying to remember
[09:40] <mikael__> wow many people here
[09:40] <Webbmaster> BluesKaj: no, its not working
[09:40] <mikael__> This is my first week with kubuntu and its great!! anyone else think so?
[09:41] <quixogre> kubuntu sucks. UBUNTU w/GNOME FTW!
[09:41] <Webbmaster> quixogre: :O
[09:41] <BluesKaj> Webbmaster, check in adept or synaptic to see if you can remove it that way
[09:41] <emilsedgh> mikael__: most of us :D
[09:41] <mrdigital> i dont think its a kde problem
[09:41] <mikael__> but quixogre
[09:41] <Webbmaster> BluesKaj: ive tried that
[09:41] <mrdigital> can i reinstall xwindow?
[09:41] <mikael__> i couldent play avi in ubuntu
[09:41] <mikael__> why
[09:41] <mikael__> on vlc
[09:41] <aguitel> how i know the temperature from my CP
[09:42] <quixogre> hehe j/k...i'll give up my kde when they pry my cold dead fingers off the keyboard
[09:42] <Webbmaster> hmm whats binfmts
[09:42] <mikael__> why couldent i play avi files on vlc / ubuntu but on kubuntu it works flawless
[09:42] <jussi01> Webbmaster: did you try with the deb?
[09:42] <quixogre> actually, as much fun as kde is, i still prefer straight command line
[09:43] <august__> wondering if anyone can help me???
[09:43] <aguitel> how i know the temperature from my CP
[09:43] <jussi01> !ask | august__
[09:43] <august__> have a problem connecting pc to tv.....i dont know what to push
[09:43] <ubotu> august__: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:43] <quixogre> only if ya  ask august
[09:43] <Webbmaster> jussi01: no not, yet, its rather large and i don't want to download it again
[09:43] <Nik> omg nvm kubuntu im going suse (not kidding)
[09:43] <august__> i have the cord in the pc and the tv
[09:43] <Webbmaster> is there a cache of it somewhere
[09:43] <Webbmaster> jussi01: thing is, i think the error is from dpkg anyway
[09:43] <august__> the cord from the pc to tv is in...
[09:43] <august__> is there anywhere i can go to get my output options
[09:43] <august__> ??????????
[09:44] <august__> i want to play a movie on my tv instead of my computer?
[09:44] <mrdigital> anyone have anymore ideas?
[09:44] <sainzeo> quixogre: it says: An error occurred when trying to start a chat: 53560
[09:44] <august__> can anyone help?
[09:44] <jussi01> Webbmaster: /var/cache iirc
[09:44] <genii> sainzeo: Might be http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112908
[09:44] <quixogre> mrdigital: reinstall kubuntu. its what i do
[09:44] <Webbmaster> august__: have you tried any other channels?
[09:44] <jussi01> !patience | august__
[09:44] <ubotu> august__: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[09:44] <genii> or related
[09:45] <BluesKaj> mrdigital, nd Webbmaster that's the extent of my help knowledge on those probs...maybe some of the theother heavy hitters in here can help
[09:45] <august__> oh ok..im sorry...i can come back later if its ok??
[09:45] <quixogre> sainzeo: the number doesnt do me a whole lot of good. does it say anything else?
[09:45] <Webbmaster> BluesKaj: okies
[09:46] <quixogre> august, just wait a few. someone will help when they can
[09:46] <BluesKaj> august_ are talking about hooking up a tv to your tv out ?
[09:46] <sainzeo> quixogre: no, thats all it says :(
[09:46] <august__> i am trying to get my pc to my tv
[09:46] <sainzeo> quixogre: i'm gonna try logging in with the fully qualified name and see if that does anything
[09:46] <quixogre> sainzeo, im not real familiar with groupwise chat...sorry :(
[09:47] <august__> i have the cable in the pc...but i try to click fn f7 but it doesnt work...so i was wondering if there was like somewhere i coudl go in to get myoutput to the tv?  just like in windows.
[09:47] <sainzeo> quixogre: thats okay! i'm glad you're trying to help!
[09:47] <quixogre> august, do you have a cable capable of connecting the tv to the pc?
[09:47] <jussi01> !dualhead
[09:47] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[09:47] <jussi01> !Xinerama
[09:47] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[09:47] <quixogre> augst, nm you answered my question
[09:47] <genii> sainzeo: The exact sdame symptoms you are describing with kopete are at that url. Perhaps see if initiating a convo fom another user to there works
[09:48] <august__> yes i do have..it works with my windows pc but not with my linux
[09:48] <tatters> will scp copy folders as well as files over ssh?
[09:48] <jussi01> august__: it takes a little setting up
[09:48] <BluesKaj> what tv card august__ ?
[09:48] <august__> i have a brand new tv... 42 daewoo lcd
[09:48] <quixogre> tatters, dont see why it wouldnt
[09:48] <chris___> Hiya new here
[09:48] <quixogre> hello chriss__
[09:49] <chris___> hi quixogre
[09:49] <quixogre> -s
[09:49] <chris___> i need some guidance
[09:49] <quixogre> chris dont ask to ask, just ask
[09:50] <tatters> quixogre thats what I thought but it errors /var/cache/apt-cacher: not a regular file     am I missing something?
[09:50] <tatters> scp /var/cache/apt-cacher test@192.168.1.110:/var/cache/apt-cacher
[09:51] <mrdigital> i fixed it woohoo
[09:51] <TameLion> Well done mrdigital.. feel good? :)
[09:52] <chris___> i've installed kubuntu 6.06.1 alternative i386 on a ibm thinkpad celeron 1000ghz 128 memory i've checked the cd and memory all is well but when i'm actually running kubuntu it is extremely sluggish.
[09:52] <quixogre> might try man scp,tatters: might try using sftp instead
[09:52] <TameLion> chris___: with 128Mb it probably will be
[09:52] <TameLion> That's minimum requirement, really
[09:53] <quixogre> chris, need more meory. or might make a larger swap space
[09:53] <chris___> how do i make a larger swap space?
[09:53] <tatters> hmm sftp sounds like a lot of settimg up compared to scp
[09:54] <sainzeo> genii: not sure if i completely understand you, but another user on groupwise is able to open a conversation with me, i on the other hand cannot start one with someone
[09:54] <quixogre> have to go into format options chris__ wont make it run SUPERfast, but would help take a load off the memory a tad
[09:54] <genii> sainzeo: That is about the essence, yes
[09:55] <quixogre> tatters: should be.  still using the ssh protocols....should be about the same
[09:55] <chris___> what O/S should i use on my system?
[09:55] <sainzeo> genii, quixogre: i've also tried logging in with just "username" as well as "username.context.blah" and the same error occurs
[09:55] <quixogre> tatters, from what i read about scp on man pages, doesnt look like it supports folder copying
[09:56] <august__> hmmmm...should i download somehting?
[09:56] <tatters> quixogre  thnxc for looking , is there a ssh drag n drop package maybe to copy this folder over
[09:57] <quixogre> chris__ picking an O/S is like picking underwear. its mostly a personal choice. find one you like, and go with it
[09:57] <quixogre> tatters, not sure...man sftp. its what i did
[09:57] <TameLion> chris___: If you want to stick with ubuntu, try xubuntu
[09:58] <TameLion> it uses xfce as a desktop manager and is much lighter on the system resources :)
[09:58] <chris___> kay, thanks
[09:58] <quixogre> tamelion, dont forget server editon ;)
[09:58] <tatters> I am sure when I used windows putty had a drag n drop thing but it seems the linux version doesnt else I forgot how to use it :/
[09:58] <chris___> so how do i get to the format to expand swap file
[09:59] <TameLion> chris___: just type    sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop     if you want to try it out
[09:59] <quixogre> chris, if you're using a newer install, i'd recommend just reinstalling
[09:59] <TameLion> chris___: How big is your swap partition at the moment?
[10:00] <TameLion> quixogre: newer install?
[10:00] <quixogre> tamelion: i.e. doesnt have it personalized much yet
[10:01] <chris___> swap:82KB used
[10:01] <TameLion> chris___: out of a total of..?
[10:01] <quixogre> from the sound of it, is a new install, so doesnt have much set up yet
[10:01] <chris___> 263,748 KB free
[10:01] <tatters> if I could get drag n drop working on the vmware but again unlike windows the linux version need commandline kungfu
[10:01] <TameLion> quixogre: that shouldn't matter.. installing xfce is going to be far quicker than downloading an xubuntu image then reinstalling the whole system
[10:02] <quixogre> tha should be plent of swap space then. just try "sudo apt-get install xubuntu"
[10:02] <chris___> where do i type this
[10:02] <quixogre> tamelion: lol im hard core man. i reinstall at the drop of a hat. keep cds of all the distros, for when im bored
[10:03] <TameLion> quixogre: You're obviously ex-Windows ;) hehe
[10:03] <quixogre> tamelion even worse: ex-solaris
[10:04] <TameLion> I didn't think solaris needed touching much
[10:04] <TameLion> ...or maybe I just didn't want to touch it much :)
[10:04] <quixogre> hehe it doesnt. but when solaris decides to drop, it drops HARD
[10:06] <quixogre> we're studying redhat fedora in school. <yawn>
[10:06] <TameLion> *studying* it?
[10:06] <sainzeo> quixogre: any other ideas for the groupwise issue?
[10:07] <quixogre> yeah. im in college. got a course on linux. basic stuff. blew the instructors mind when i mentioned "grep" and "vi" in the same traian of thought
[10:07] <TameLion> LOL
[10:07] <TameLion> He's probably only just finished the course himself.
[10:07] <quixogre> sainzeo, sorry man. the fact that others can do it methinks it might be an issue with kopete, or with firewalls blocking on your side
[10:08] <quixogre> tame he's a great guy, knows cisco like the back of his hand. sorta got volunteered for linux
[10:08] <chris___> thanks guys adieu
[10:08] <sainzeo> quixogre: are there firewalls built into kubuntu automatically?
[10:08] <quixogre> !firewall sainzeo
[10:09] <quixogre> !firewall | sainzeo
[10:09] <ubotu> sainzeo: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[10:10] <quixogre> im falling in love with apt-get...so used to "make"
[10:10] <TameLion> quixogre: I suppose if you've never written any text or searched for any reg exps, it would blow your mind
[10:11] <TameLion> quixogre: aptitude ap> t-get :P
[10:11] <TameLion> oops.. aptitude > apt-get :P
[10:11] <quixogre> hehe ever had to search through a 60 meg makefile, to find the line of code thats making your server puke?
[10:11] <quixogre> !aptitude
[10:11] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[10:11] <sainzeo> quixogre: well i have no custom iprules, and i would assume i wouldn't have to configure anything to get groupwise to work...or am i wrong? haha
[10:12] <TameLion> quixogre: Never. Am I missing out?
[10:12] <tatters> hmm IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOMEONE IS DOING SOMETHING NASTY!Someone could be eavesdropping on you right now (man-in-the-middle attack)!It is also possible that the RSA host key has just been changed.
[10:13] <quixogre> sainzeo, linux isnt like windows. it tends to turn off unused ports, and expects you to know how to open them back up...im not sure what ports groupwise uses, but if ya find out, might check iptables just to make sure the OS isnt blocking em
[10:13] <genii> sainzeo: I am not certain kopete will behave nicely with groupwise protocol at this time. you may want to use GAIM/Pidgin or else the Novell Linux Groupwise client - there is a download of it here http://helpdesk.unb.ca/swdownloads/showfiles.cgi?novell
[10:13] <inteliwasp> i have a quick question, what is the linux equivlent to hyperterm?
[10:14] <quixogre> sainzeo, like i said, not real familiar with groupwise...might check kopete man page, see if it recommends anything specific
[10:14] <quixogre> whats hyperterm?
[10:14] <inteliwasp> figures...
[10:14] <tatters> terminal
[10:14] <genii> sainzeo: I think groupwise may use port 1677
[10:15] <sainzeo> genii: doesn't the chat client use 8300 though?
[10:15] <inteliwasp> i need to access a device on the serial port
[10:15] <genii> sainzeo: Not sure, but it could be found out
[10:16] <quixogre> inteliwasp, getty?
[10:17] <inteliwasp> quixogre: not that, but i found what i am looking for minicom
[10:18] <sainzeo> genii: yeah, it appears its 8300 which is what i've entered, but aybe i will try 1677 as well
[10:18] <quixogre> think getty lets you choose ports/devices as well. but not sure exactly how to connect to serial device with it
[10:20] <waylandbill> is there a daemon with wireshark like capabilities
[10:20] <tatters> tcpdump
[10:20] <quixogre> waylandbill, if you find the answer to that, let me know. been trying for two days to get wireshark running on this system
[10:21] <august_> hey guys...got a little problem here:  Trying to hook up my pc to my tv..  All i need to find is the button to which i need to push to get my screen on the tv?
[10:21] <waylandbill> tatters: I know of tcpdump, but how to run as a daemon?
[10:21] <tatters> wireshark generally works out the box
[10:21] <quixogre> tatters, tried compiling it yesterday, no luck
[10:21] <genii> sainzeo: More info on it than i care to sift through at here http://support.novell.com/techcenter/articles/nc2004_05g.html
[10:22] <sainzeo> genii: thanks a lot!
[10:22] <quixogre> !wireshark
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wireshark - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <genii> sainzeo: np
[10:23] <quixogre> bah. figures...theres an apt-get for wireshark
[10:23] <waylandbill> quixogre: there's a package. you shouldn't need to compile
[10:23] <waylandbill> !info wireshark
[10:23] <quixogre> NOW ya tell me
[10:23] <ubotu> wireshark: network traffic analyzer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.99.4-6 (feisty), package size 566 kB, installed size 1576 kB
[10:24] <quixogre> lol so i installed gkt+ dev libs for nothing....
[10:24] <Level15> hi: is there any app that will show on a portion of my desktop a website? kinda of the that active desktop thingy of win98, but that actually works?
[10:25] <quixogre> level15 try konqueror...KDE filemanger/web browser
[10:25] <Level15> no, i mean... something that sticks in the desktop forever, not that i have to open manually and point it to the website
[10:25] <Level15> and i don't need navigation buttons etc
[10:25] <quixogre> oh nm. you're looking for a desktop manager...
[10:26] <august_> anyone know how to get the pc picture on the tv???
[10:26] <quixogre> !beryl
[10:26] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:26] <Level15> no... not that...
[10:26] <Level15> hmmm
[10:27] <dhq> is it 50% safe to upgrade to gusty
[10:27] <quixogre> sorry bro, im new to xwindows....used to command line
[10:27] <mefisto_> what's the shutdown option to force fsck on reboot?
[10:27] <Level15> !superkaramba
[10:27] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[10:27] <tatters> my first tatste of linux was tribe 2 and I still running on it and it very stable now
[10:28] <TameLion> LOL dhq
[10:28] <dhq> TameLion, hmm
[10:28] <tatters> Few headaches along the way but I learned a lot beta out tommorow
[10:29] <dhq> !schedule
[10:29] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[10:29] <dhq> !releases
[10:30] <tatters> beta out 27th sept 18th oct is release date
[10:30] <tatters> wonder what time in gmt ?
[10:31] <tatters> tubes prob gunna get jammed
[10:31] <mefisto_> what's the shutdown option to force fsck on reboot? someone here must know...
[10:31] <genii> waylandbill: If yer feeling brave why not daemonize it yourself, http://www.itp.uzh.ch/~dpotter/howto/daemonize
[10:31] <dhq> tatters, well i cant wait
[10:32] <TameLion> mefisto_: shutdown -rF now
[10:32] <waylandbill> genii: I'm reading the man page and contemplating it.
[10:32] <genii> waylandbill: :)
[10:33] <mefisto_> TameLion: I did shutdown -r -F now. shouldn't that do the same? or do you have to group the options together?
[10:33] <genii> mefisto_: They are equivelents
[10:33] <tatters> I no idea what feisty looked like so I have nothing to compare gutsy with but on the whole its pretty decent OS
[10:34] <mefisto_> and the F should force a check, even if the disk is clean, right? Because it didn't do the check on reboot
[10:35] <jeri> helo everone!
[10:35] <quixogre> jeri! do you live in oklahoma?
[10:35] <jeri> can anyone help make my dapper drake read mp3s
[10:35] <jeri> no i dont
[10:36] <quixogre> kk. thats my sisters name...not that she'd e ver use linux...
[10:36] <inteliwasp> !mp3
[10:36] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:36] <jeri> ive did wat the starter guide says but it doesnt work
[10:36] <jmichaelx> i just connected a new monitor that supports 1650x1080 to a PC with intel video. i have installed 915resolution, and after some tinkering, i still have not been able to set my resolution to 1650x1080. could anyone offer a suggestion, or point me to docs?
[10:36] <jmichaelx> !915resolution
[10:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 915resolution - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:38] <Level15> ok, any superkaramba theme that displays a configurable website?
[10:38] <jmichaelx> i meant to type 1680x1050...
[10:38] <ti-gris> Hi I have a question can somebody help me ?
[10:39] <quixogre> level15: sorry man, you lost me with superkaramba. good luck though
[10:39] <quixogre> ti-gris dont ask to ask, just ask
[10:39] <ti-gris> thx
[10:39] <ti-gris> I want to reinstall Kubuntu, but I already done that a few time and all the other instalation are still in the choice to log into when I start my computer...how can I erase them
[10:39] <quixogre> edit grub.conf
[10:40] <mefisto_> I have a package installed that constantly wants to be updated, even though it is up-to-date. Is there a way to get adept updater to ignore it (other than not using adept updater)?
[10:40] <quixogre> what package mefisto?
[10:41] <ti-gris> I'M quite new, I dont know how to edit grub
[10:41] <LjL> mefisto_, what package is that? happened with me too
[10:41] <mefisto_> quixogre, LjL: compiz-core
[10:41] <quixogre> ti-gris open kate, the KDE version of notepad. then open /boot/grub.conf
[10:42] <LjL> mefisto_: from the Amaranth repos?
[10:42] <quixogre> mefisto,nk its a bug with adept someone was complaining about that yesterday. thi
[10:42] <quixogre> okay. how do i disable my touchpad???
[10:42] <ti-gris> thanx quixogre
[10:43] <mefisto_> LjL: yes
[10:43] <TameLion> quixogre: Either a button right next to it on the laptop, or a Fn - number key usually
[10:43] <TameLion> The one with the picture of a giraffe having a cup of tea.
[10:43] <TameLion> All laptop function keys look like that to me..
[10:44] <quixogre> lol tamelion
[10:44] <rjune_> ogra: you around?>
[10:44] <jmichaelx> i just connected a new monitor that supports 1680x1050 to a PC with intel video. i have installed 915resolution, and after some tinkering, i still have not been able to set my resolution to 1680x1050 (915resolution -l does not list the resolution i need, either). could anyone offer a suggestion?
[10:44] <jeri> Type 'multiverse' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:44] <jeri> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[10:45] <mefisto_> LjL: so what did you do? remove those repos?
[10:45] <jeri> its wat it says synaptic cant help me
[10:45] <jeri> multiverse cant be enabled?
[10:46] <quixogre> !resolution
[10:46] <TameLion> jeri: type the command "head /etc/apt/sources.list" and paste the first line here
[10:46] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[10:47] <LjL> mefisto_, it's unlikely that the problem with that repository will get fixed. so you could either try with APT pinning, but i can't guarantee that it'll work, or perhaps just ignore the problem and wait for Gutsy...
[10:48] <mefisto_> LjL: pinning?
[10:48] <LjL> !pinning
[10:48] <ubotu> pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[10:48] <mefisto_> LjL: thanks
[10:48] <LjL> but this case is weird, as the version it's trying to upgrade to is the version you have *already* installed
[10:48] <LjL> so i'm not sure that will succeed
[10:49] <mefisto_> LjL: what about just commenting that repo out?
[10:49] <LjL> mefisto_: ah well sure, if you don't think you need it anymore
[10:50] <mefisto_> LjL: is that safe to do when I have installed from those packages?
[10:50] <jeri>  where do i paste that?in the terminal?
[10:50] <waylandbill> okay. tcpdump. I want port 80 and port 5190. I don't know how to write the expression correctly.
[10:50] <waylandbill> I tried "port 80 && port 5190"
[10:51] <LjL> mefisto_: well, the repository is planned to be updated again, and perhaps you'd like to get the newer versions of the packages it contains (but they shouldn't have any major changes)
[10:51] <TameLion> jeri: yes, paste that command in the terminal - that will show the first few lines of your sources file. then paste the output of that here, so we can see what's going wrong.
[10:51] <LjL> all in all, it should be safe to comment it out mefisto_
[10:52] <mefisto_> LjL: I'll just uncomment it every now and then, and check for updates, then comment it out again
[10:52] <jeri> [tamelion] where do i paste that?in the terminal?
[10:52] <jeri> ok
[10:52] <jeri> deb http://www.beerorkid.com/compiz/ dapper main
[10:52] <jeri> deb-src http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[10:53] <jeri> deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt dapper main
[10:53] <poison--> where are located the files adept download?
[10:53] <jeri> (tamelion) thats what it says/displays in the terminal
[10:54] <jeri> and  also this
[10:54] <TameLion> hmm.. and you're getting the error "Type 'multiverse' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list" on an update?
[10:54] <jeri> deb-src http://ph.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper main restricted
[10:54] <jeri> ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
[10:54] <jeri> ## distribution.
[10:54] <jeri> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ dapper-updates main restricted
[10:54] <jeri> jeri@Ultraman:~$
[10:54] <jeri> yes
[10:55] <TameLion> Very strange.. if that was the first line, there's no mention of multiverse..
[10:55] <TameLion> anyone else?
[10:55] <jeri> i hope u cud help out here,bcause im trying to remove my winxp system on my comp.
[10:55] <jeri> there is
[10:56] <TameLion> ..?
[10:56] <kloplop321> does MPX support dual screen?
[10:56] <jeri> ype 'multiverse' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:56] <quixogre> tamelion: im just watching. new to APT and everything related to it
[10:56] <mefisto_> poison--: /var/cache/apt/archives
[10:56] <jeri> he list of sources could not be read.
[10:56] <jeri> Go to the repository dialog to correct the problem.
[10:57] <flopy> waylandbill: tcpdump -vv -i eth0 port 5190 or port 80
[10:57] <TameLion> jeri, there might be an error further down the file
[10:58] <jeri> how do i know that?
[10:59] <TameLion> jeri: if you send me your repository list, I'll take a look at it for you
[10:59] <vlt> Hello. I'm using Kubuntu Feisty and I get a "Konqueror has crashed and caused a SIGSEGV error" sometimes several times an hour. What does this mean and how to prevent it?
[10:59] <drmartins>   ?))
[10:59] <jeri> here is the line from sypnaptic
[10:59] <jeri> Could not download all repository indexes
[10:59] <jeri> The repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in the preferences.
[10:59] <mefisto_> vlt: always, or just this current session?
[11:00] <vlt> mefisto_: Always.
[11:00] <jeri> im using kubuntu 6.06 Lts dapper drake,ive just upgrade my kde into gnome
[11:01] <vlt> jeri: lol
[11:01] <jeri> ?
[11:01] <vlt> "ugrade" kde into gnome
[11:01] <vlt> up*
[11:01] <jeri> wats wrong w/ that?
[11:01] <quixogre> jeri, not really an upgrade...
[11:01] <jeri> really? wat do you call that?
[11:01] <quixogre> more of a downgrade
[11:02] <jeri> ? i think gnome is more than kde?
[11:02] <quixogre> hehe this is the Kubuntu channel...
[11:02] <quixogre> we're all KDE nuts
[11:02] <mefisto_> jeri: kde and gnome are 2 alternatives
[11:03] <jeri> i see
[11:03] <quixogre> although th be fair, i use bo
[11:03] <quixogre> th
[11:03] <vlt> (jehova)
[11:03] <TameLion> bo? that's a new one
[11:03] <TameLion> "bobuntu"?
[11:03] <TameLion> :P
[11:03] <jeri> (tamelion) still there?
[11:03] <quixogre> short for body odor...lift an arm, and the comp begs to do my will
[11:04] <TameLion> jeri: I'm still here.. would you like me to take a look at your sources?
[11:04] <mefisto_> bobuntu - linux for smelly people
[11:04] <jeri> how?
[11:04] <waylandbill> ty flopy
[11:05] <TameLion> copy the file to your home directory, then just send it over
[11:05] <quixogre> mefisto: that might actually work. you ever smelled a room full of enthusistic coders?
[11:05] <TameLion> "cp /etc/apt/sources.list ~"
[11:05] <mefisto_> lol quixogre
[11:05] <vlt> mefisto_: So, what's the difference between "always" and "just this current session" when Konqueror crashes?
[11:06] <mefisto_> vlt: I sometimes get konqueror crashing, but after the next reboot it's ok. until something goes wrong and it starts crashing again
[11:07] <mefisto_> vlt: you could try pasting the error into google and see if you find anything that helps
[11:07] <vlt> Anyone here using Kubuntu Feisty w/o crashing Konqueror?
[11:07] <vlt> w/o Konqueror crashing*
[11:07] <TameLion> lol vlt I think that would have most people raising an arm in the air
[11:08] <mefisto_> vlt: has konqueror always crashed?
[11:08] <jeri> i give up
[11:09] <jeri> how do i Install libxine-extracodecs?
[11:09] <genii> waylandbill: You nut ya! LOL
[11:09] <vlt> mefisto_: Three machines running Feisty. Konqueror crashes on all of them.
[11:09] <mefisto_> what's that automatic sources.list webpage? that might help jeri
[11:10] <LjL> !source-o-matic
[11:10] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:10] <TameLion> jeri: Don't give up.. take a look at http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Dapper#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[11:10] <TameLion> Just try writing the file again and hopefully that should fix your problem :)
[11:10] <jeri> thx for all the help
[11:10] <LjL> !info libxine-extracodecs
[11:10] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, transitional package. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 38 kB, installed size 68 kB
[11:10] <mefisto_> jeri: or try source-o-matic
[11:11] <LjL> you just need to enable Multiverse jeri. it's quite important to know what the various repositories are and how to enable/disable them.
[11:11] <TameLion> jeri: mefisto_: Yes, or try that!
[11:12] <LjL> !souces > jeri    (jeri, see the private message from Ubotu)
[11:12] <jeri> i have error msgs in synaptic bout multiverse
[11:12] <waylandbill> windows xp users can easily do basic tasks on my kde laptop without asking me how to do it. That's worth alot right there. KDE gets my vote. :-D
[11:12] <LjL> jeri: paste the errors into the pastebin then
[11:13] <jeri> ?how will that help?
[11:13] <LjL> jeri: i'll have a look at the errors.
[11:13] <jeri> here it is
[11:14] <jeri> The repository might be no longer available or could not be contacted because of network problems. If available an older version of the failed index will be used. Otherwise the repository will be ignored. Check your network connection and the correct writing of the repository address in the preferences.
[11:14] <jeri> Type 'multiverse' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:14] <mefisto_> jeri: what country are you in?
[11:15] <BluesKaj> jeri , open synaptic/settings/repositories/enable all of them
[11:15] <jmichaelx> i just connected a new monitor that supports 1680x1050 to a PC with intel video. i have installed 915resolution, and after some tinkering, i still have not been able to set my resolution to 1680x1050 (915resolution -l does not list the resolution i need, either). could anyone offer a suggestion?
[11:15] <jeri> philippines
[11:15] <mefisto_> does synaptic let you choose which server to fetch from?
[11:16] <quixogre> !resolution | jmichaelx
[11:16] <ubotu> jmichaelx: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[11:17] <jmichaelx> quixogre: i'm sorry, but i doubt those docs will address what i'm after
[11:17] <jeri> i just go synaptic den setings/repositories/ den click add and check the 2 check boxes universe and multiverse
[11:17] <jmichaelx> hmm,,,,, maybe those docs will help afterall :-D
[11:17] <jeri> den close and reload
[11:18] <mefisto_> jeri: if there's a place to choose which server to download from, try changing to main server, or something else
[11:18] <BluesKaj> jeri, check all of the boxes
[11:19] <jeri> ive done that
[11:20] <quixogre> jmichaelx: im looking through the docs...theres a lot of different options
[11:20] <BluesKaj> jeri ,what apps are you trying to install?
[11:20] <jmichaelx> quixogre: yes, i think you've helped a lot. ty
[11:20] <jmichaelx> brb
[11:20] <jeri> my kubuntu doesnt support mp3s
[11:21] <jeri> brb going to take bath i'll be late for work
[11:21] <emilsedgh> jeri: install libxine-extracodecs from adept manager
[11:21] <uga|away> !mp3
[11:21] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:22] <BluesKaj> jeri, sudo aptitude install libxine-extracodecs
[11:22] <sainzeo> i'm having trouble getting java to work on my machine - i've tried downoading it through adept, but after the install, it doesn't appear to be working - any suggestions?
[11:22] <mefisto_> emilsedgh: BluesKaj: something's wrong with jeri's sources.list I think
[11:23] <BluesKaj> sainzo, you may have anolder version of jre blocking the new
[11:23] <knopnet> sainzeo: are you running the 64bit version?
[11:24] <sainzeo> knopnet: no, 32bit
[11:24] <knopnet> nevermind
[11:24] <BluesKaj> mefisto_, yeah, i suspected so
[11:24] <jeri> stil the same erros msg
[11:24] <jeri> Type 'multiverse' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.listE: The list of sources could not be read.
[11:25] <mefisto_> synaptic users: is there a way to choose which server to download from?
[11:25] <BluesKaj> jeri, I wonder if source-o-matic might help your sources.list...have you checked it out ?
[11:26] <BluesKaj> !source-o-matic | jeri
[11:26] <ubotu> jeri: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[11:26] <LjL> jeri, your /etc/apt/sources.list file is then completely messed up. pastebin it and i'll fix it -- but you should mention my nickname, and give me the URL, otherwise i won't see what you say or paste
[11:27] <mefisto_> jeri: you might want to choose a location other than philipines. the server might be having problems
[11:27] <BluesKaj> mefisto_, agreed
[11:27] <hasan> hi guys
[11:27] <hasan> i ve got a question
[11:28] <quixogre> hasan :)
[11:28] <quixogre> just ask hasan
[11:28] <hasan> i use konqueror in file view i split into 2 windows
[11:28] <hasan> and at the lower part i open konsole
[11:28] <hasan> but whn i change directories in konsole
[11:28] <hasan> windows view does not change it does not change directory in sync with konsole
[11:28] <hasan> how can i do that ?
[11:29] <holyguyver> when I start adept mangager, even if it is the first program I run after startup it says "you will not be able to change your system settings in any way (install remove or upgrade software) because another process is using the pachaging system database (probally some other adept application or apt-get or aptitude) please close the other application before using this one." what do I do to fix that?
[11:29] <quixogre> konsole and konquerer are two different programs. not sure its possible to sync output for both
[11:30] <hasan> it's very importan
[11:30] <BluesKaj> holyguyver, sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock , then relogin
[11:30] <hasan> a matter of life and death
[11:30] <hasan> pzl help me
[11:30] <hasan> :)
[11:30] <quixogre> holyguyver: ps -ef | grep APT
[11:30] <mefisto_> hasan: at the lower part i open konsole? how do you do that?
[11:31] <holyguyver> what is ps -ef grep apt?
[11:31] <hasan> with F8
[11:31] <hasan> mefisto_
[11:31] <hasan> with F8
[11:31] <quixogre> holyguyver, that'll tell you if any APT processes are running
[11:31] <quixogre> holyguyver: type that into terminal window
[11:31] <holyguyver> but it is the first program I run at startup, there is no other program
[11:32] <quixogre> holyguyver. something might be autostarting another process...
[11:32] <holyguyver> here is what it told me back "jack      5270  5253  0 14:32 pts/4    00:00:00 grep APT"
[11:33] <holyguyver> I am runing the messed up adept right now though
[11:33] <holyguyver> here let me do that again for you with it off
[11:34] <quixogre> so no other apt processes are running. but when you start adept manager, it tells you theres other APT programs running?
[11:34] <quixogre> try grepping for adept instead of APT
[11:34] <holyguyver> yes
[11:35] <holyguyver> jack      5118     1  1 14:18 ?        00:00:10 adept_notifier jack      5279  5253  0 14:34 pts/4    00:00:00 grep adept
[11:36] <quixogre> holyguyver is that with the adept programs all closed?
[11:36] <holyguyver> yes
[11:36] <emilsedgh> !adept
[11:36] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[11:36] <quixogre> then kill -9 5118
[11:36] <emilsedgh> ghh
[11:36] <quixogre> type that in terminal
[11:37] <holyguyver> now how do I keep that from autorunning at startup?
[11:37] <quixogre> adept_notifier is ughrunning...not sure what would start it up tho
[11:37] <mefisto_> quixogre: that's just the notifier
[11:38] <emilsedgh> !autostart
[11:38] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[11:38] <quixogre> mefisto: would that prevent adept-manager from kicking off?
[11:38] <mefisto_> quixogre: it normally runs in the background to notify you when there are updates
[11:39] <quixogre> mefisto, holyguyvers getting an error when he tries running adept-manager
[11:39] <gore000> hey guys is there a simple way to install kde 4.0 on a none kunbuntu distro of ubuntu
[11:39] <holyguyver> All I know is that this happened after adept crashed well updating some stuff & now even if I restart my computer adept will give me that one message.
[11:39] <yeo_> gore000: add a repository that has kde 4 within it and then apt-get install kde
[11:39] <quixogre> holy after you killed that process, does adept-manager open?
[11:40] <gore000> yup is in the repo's but is it as simple as just installing kde4base?
[11:40] <quixogre> yeo_ is kde4 the latest greatest?
[11:40] <yeo_> yes. still in development i think
[11:40] <gore000> s/is in/its in
[11:40] <holyguyver> no it doesn't work still :(
[11:41] <yeo_> why do you want it?
[11:41] <gore000> are you runnning i right now yeo?
[11:41] <quixogre> gore000 try sudo apt-get install kde4-desktop
[11:41] <yeo_> No. im running kde3.5 but with compiz fusion
[11:41] <gore000> hmm why isn't alt + f2 working
[11:41] <gore000> booh
[11:42] <quixogre> spoiled kids...doesnt anyone use nohup anymore????
[11:42] <holyguyver> quixogre no it isn't working
[11:42] <jeri> would there be problem if i install gnome on my kubuntu concnerning sources list.cause i cant enable multiverse
[11:42] <quixogre> holyguyver. try reinstalling apedt, see if that fixes it
[11:43] <jeri> in the sypnatic
[11:43] <holyguyver> what, what what?
[11:43] <quixogre> sorry, fat fingers, small keys. 'adept'
[11:43] <holyguyver> how do I do that?
[11:44] <jeri> would there be problem if i install gnome on my kubuntu concnerning sources list.cause i cant enable multiverse
[11:44] <mefisto_> holyguyver: try dpkg --confgure -a
[11:44] <quixogre> jeri, im running both managers on this system(not at once) but i installed gnome version of ubuntu, then installed KDE on top of it
[11:44] <sainzeo> i'm having trouble getting java to work on my machine - i've tried downoading it through adept, but after the install, it doesn't appear to be working - any suggestions?
[11:44] <mefisto_> holyguyver: or sudo dpkg --confgure -a
[11:45] <quixogre> sainzeo, does man java bring up a man page?
[11:45] <BluesKaj> jeri, you can enable multiverse in your sources.list...are you familiar with it ?
[11:45] <jeri> not much,they thought but i stil got error msgs
[11:45] <quixogre> blueskaj, jeri's sources.list is hosed. needs to be rebuilt
[11:45] <holyguyver> it told me back "pkg: unknown option -o"
[11:45] <jeri> i mean they thought me
[11:45] <sainzeo> quixogre: man java?
[11:46] <sainzeo> quixogre: yes it does
[11:46] <jeri> E: Type 'multiverse' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.listE: The list of sources could not be read.
[11:46] <mefisto_> holyguyver: there's 2 hyphens before configure
[11:46] <BluesKaj> quixogre, ok we need to talk him thru building a new one
[11:46] <quixogre> sainzeo, then java SHOULD be installed. what are you running that requires java?
[11:47] <sainzeo> quixogre: there is a webpage that i need access to in order to fill out a timesheet for work
[11:47] <quixogre> blueskaj lol good luck, im taking backseat on that one. never done it before
[11:47] <holyguyver> alright now it is setting up java
[11:47] <jeri> E: Type 'multiverse' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.listE: The list of sources could not be read.
[11:47] <quixogre> sainzeo, and the webpage says you need java installed on your system?
[11:48] <sainzeo> quixogre: yes, and it says that it isn't detected
[11:48] <holyguyver> alright now it is done, now what do I do?
[11:48] <quixogre> sainzeo what browser you using?
[11:48] <sainzeo> quixogre: firefox
[11:48] <sainzeo> quixogre: i did download the plugin for firefox as well
[11:49] <quixogre> sainzeo i hate to even suggest this...but try internet explorer. lot of those private webpages like that use proprietary code
[11:49] <sainzeo> quixogre: could it not be finding my install location of firefox though? i downoaded it straight from the site not through apt-get
[11:49] <sainzeo> quixogre: i have been able to access it before in ubuntu though
[11:49] <holyguyver> mefisto, noe\w that that is done, what do I do?
[11:49] <quixogre> sainzeo, try apt-get....just to make sure
[11:49] <sainzeo> quixogre: to get firefox?
[11:49] <jeri> still tthere?
[11:49] <quixogre> sainzeo, to get java
[11:50] <sainzeo> quixogre: it says it's the newest version
[11:50] <quixogre> sainzeo, and you still cant get into the website...
[11:51] <sainzeo> quixogre: no, also, if i do about:plugins in firefox, it doesn't list java - it must not be putting the plugin in the right place
[11:51] <quixogre> sainzeo, try opening the page with konquerer...see if it opens
[11:51] <BluesKaj> jeri , alt+F2 , type kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list , click edit /select all/copy and paste it in www.pastebin.ca then, copy the url it generates and paste that address in the chat , so we can look at it
[11:51] <holyguyver> well that fixed it thanks, so what was the problem with it?
[11:52] <mefisto_> holyguyver: adept was interrupted before it finished what it was doing. that dpkg command finished the unfinished tasks
[11:52] <quixogre> holyguyver, that basically rebuilt the package....try running adept upgrade now
[11:52] <rustalot> When I hiberate, where does the RAM go?
[11:52] <sainzeo> quixogre: i don't believe the website supports konqueror
[11:52] <holyguyver> thank you :)
[11:53] <quixogre> sainzeo, yeah, sounds like you need the plugin for java for firefox
[11:53] <gore000> what repository contains kde-desktop pkg
[11:54] <mefisto_> sainzeo: do you know which java plugin you installed?
[11:54] <sainzeo> quixogre: i believe that installed as well, the plugin that is, but i don't think it is being put in the right place - 1.5 i believe i installed
[11:55] <mefisto_> sainzeo: you need to install j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin
[11:55] <sainzeo> mefisto: i thought 1.4 was for x64?
[11:55] <mefisto_> sainzeo: that's the firefox plugin
[11:56] <sainzeo> mefisto: ok i'll try that
[11:59] <sainzeo> mefisto: it said something about having broken dependencies or something
[12:00] <quixogre> afk
[12:01] <drmartins> what download thems for ubuntu?
[12:03] <mefisto_> sainzeo: do you know what the other java plugin you installed was?
[12:03] <sainzeo> mefisto: sun-java5-plugin
[12:04] <gakikub> hi
[12:04] <mefisto_> sainzeo: try removing that one, then install j2re1.4-mozilla-plugin
[12:05] <sainzeo> mefisto_: well i think i may have figured out - there was another instance of firefox at /usr/lib/firefox - that version worked fine and the java plugin was installed for that
[12:05] <sainzeo> mefisto_: my downloaded copy of firefox is located in my home directory
[12:05] <mefisto_> sainzeo: why didn't you install firefox from adept or apt-get?
[12:06] <sainzeo> mefisto_: i'll just remove the one i downloade and use the /usr/lib one
[12:06] <sainzeo> mefisto_: obviously cause i'm an idiot haha
[12:06] <mefisto_> sainzeo: I guess you've installed it both ways
[12:07] <sainzeo> mefisto_: i don't remember doing it through apt-get though..hmm..
[12:07] <yeo_> whats wrong with installing firefox thru apt? :P
[12:09] <sainzeo> yeo_: its too easy :P haha
[12:10] <quixogre> c'mon yeo_ you're tqqaking all the fun out of it
[12:11] <sainzeo> mefisto_, quixogre: thanks for all your help again!
[12:12] <yeo_> its the reason i use debian
[12:13] <yeo_> i like doing everything thru a terminal. without having to touch a browser
[12:13] <mefisto_> yeo_: not a youtube fan, then
[12:14] <yeo_> lal
[12:14] <yeo_> i mean when it comes to installing apps
[12:14] <yeo_> i dont want to traul thru sites looking for the download section, then appropriate version yadda yadda
[12:14] <sainzeo> yeo_: i just like to know where everything is, so if i download it myself, i know where i'mputting it, ya know?
[12:14] <yeo_> yeah
[12:14] <yeo_> its not messed up for me yet tho
[12:15] <yeo_> and being a red hat user previously
[12:15] <yeo_> i hate rpms
[12:15] <yeo_> and im lazy and like seeing lots of stuff spam the shell. looks cool ;)
[12:15] <mefisto_> sainzeo: the trouble with that is you have to put everything in the right places. the system can do all that for you
[12:16] <yeo_> mefisto_: yeah right on. and its never done it wrong yet
[12:16] <yeo_> atleast not for me anyway
[12:16] <sainzeo> mefisto_: well yeah, thats def true - but i'm sure there must be a way to point the java plugin at your firefox directory isn't there?
[12:16] <yeo_> yeah you make a sym link from the plugins directory in the mozilla folderi n ~
[12:17] <BluesKaj> yeo are you here to help or just tell us about your linux cli chops :) ?
[12:17] <yeo_> to the java bin
[12:17] <yeo_> the latter
[12:17] <yeo_> and if noones asking questions then i shall banter
[12:17] <yeo_> else ill try help
[12:17] <sainzeo> yeo_: yeah i was figuring that - was just easier to remove my firefox directory and use the system's
[12:17] <BluesKaj> ok, good yeo_
[12:17] <yeo_> :)
[12:18] <yeo_> easyubuntu is nice for lazy ones
[12:18] <yeo_> and why arent you using konq?
[12:19] <sainzeo> yeo_: it doesn't display everything as nice as firefox
[12:19] <sainzeo> yeo_: plus firefox is required for some of the sites i need to get to
[12:19] <kkathman> cuz konq is (a) slow and (b) doesnt render all pages correctly :)
[12:19] <ScorpKing> i'm making a service menu to mount iso images for me. the mount command don't work. what am i doing wrong? - Exec=kdesu mount -o loop  /media/iso
[12:19] <mefisto_> and firefox is cross-platform
[12:20] <kkathman> tru dat
[12:20] <kkathman> great for development :)
[12:20] <yeo_> fair points
[12:20] <sainzeo> mefisto_: you wouldn't now why my kopete wn't allow me to create chats in groupwise but does let met chat with people if they IM me first?
[12:21] <yeo_> sainzeo: you do know that you can change konq's browser ID tho right?
[12:21] <BluesKaj> kkathman, I've been running konq for a few weeks now and i don't miss FF one bit ...feel safer
[12:21] <yeo_> i love Konq. tis my fave
[12:21] <sainzeo> yeo_: but that won't change the way it renders, will it?
[12:21] <yeo_> no
[12:21] <mefisto_> sainzeo: sorry, don't know much about kopete, and don't even know what groupwise is :)
[12:22] <yeo_> but will trick sites sometimes
[12:22] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  I use Konq to view Flash-intensive pages tho, cuz it seems to be the ONLY browser that has no problem with the adobe Flash9 actionscripting
[12:22] <sainzeo> mefisto_: haha damn
[12:22] <yeo_> kkathman: yeah man. i used konq alot when i was doing some flash stuff for uni
[12:23] <yeo_> isnt Apple's Safari browser based on the Konq engine?
[12:23] <BluesKaj> FF does flash ok with the flashplugin-nonfree
[12:23] <kkathman> firefox seems to do about 80%, Opera does about 75%, but opera cant do online video in alot of cases
[12:23] <kkathman> Opera is very fast tho for just surfing
[12:24] <BluesKaj> opera needs the plugins too
[12:24] <ubuntu> hello
[12:24] <yeo_> i find konq is really fast
[12:24] <yeo_> lo
[12:24] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  it can handle alot of flash, but not action scripting on intensive sites
[12:24] <ubuntu> where can I see my dual core processor?
[12:24] <ubuntu> help
[12:24] <yeo_> unscrew the side of your pc's case
[12:24] <BluesKaj> dunno kkathman, gamerz sites ?
[12:25] <mefisto_> my fav thing about opera is how it can zoom the whole page, text, images, video, all at once
[12:25] <yeo_> pull off the fan
[12:25] <yeo_> and the heatsink
[12:25] <kkathman> BluesKaj: Opera cant use the plugins in general their API is different
[12:25] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  ESPN.com for instance
[12:25] <kkathman> Opera does ok with regular flash, and flvs but freezes on intensive sites
[12:26] <yeo_> d'ya think he's gonna really do it?
[12:26] <BluesKaj> yeah, it really loads up the images
[12:27] <BluesKaj> konq worked fine
[12:28] <kkathman> BluesKaj:  yep Konq loads up that video applet on the right on ESPN just fine and plays it...Firefox doesnt and neither does Opera
[12:29] <kkathman> Firefox also has that annoying Javascripting issue where it doesnt recognize layering
[12:29] <yeo_> tbh its one of the reasons i loved kde when i first used it
[12:29] <yeo_> tis nice to easily intermingle web and local content
[12:30] <kkathman> I wish Firefox wasnt such a greedy mem hog
[12:30] <yeo_> yeah. it has a plethora of plugins. thats why i use it on win32
[12:30] <yeo_> and cos its fast
[12:31] <BluesKaj> yeah, opera froze up
[12:32] <yeo_> wish that apple would release safari for linux
[12:32] <BluesKaj> safari is boring IMO ..fugly
[12:32] <yeo_> you using it on win or mac?
[12:32] <BluesKaj> was on windows
[12:33] <yeo_> yeah just like itunes
[12:33] <yeo_> fugly ass on win32
[12:33] <yeo_> it rox on osx
[12:34] <yeo_> i heard that safari's engine is based on konq though
[12:34] <stdin> bases on khtml
[12:35] <yeo_> yea. that's konqerors render engine right?
[12:35] <stdin> yep
[12:35] <yeo_> do u know if apple gave anything back to the proj>
[12:36] <yeo_> ?
[12:36] <stdin> probably not, or I seriously doubt it
[12:36] <BluesKaj> apple give anything back? ...you must be kidding :)
[12:36] <yeo_> your probably right
[12:37] <Jucato> afaik they did, but not in a way that KDE could make use of
[12:37] <stdin> so the comments in the code then then :p
[12:37] <yeo_> Jucato: was a bit specific to their needs eh?
[12:37] <yeo_> haha
[12:38] <BluesKaj> good advice
[12:38] <Jucato> they sent back patches to KHTML that they made... but afaik it was one very big patch, and had "Apple-isms" that definitely won't work on KDE