[01:21] <savvas> zerwas: add it in launchpad, I'll back you up after the upgrade is done
[01:21] <magicrobotmonkey> does gutsy still use xorg.conf?
[01:21] <RAOF> Yes.
[01:22] <zerwas> magicrobotmonkey, yes
[01:22] <magicrobotmonkey> so if i move it aside will it do its autodetect again?
[01:22] <alex-weej> yes
[01:23] <savvas> magicrobotmonkey: well.. if you saved the old xorg.conf it would help if you copied it back to /etc/X11/ :)
[01:23] <magicrobotmonkey> heh
[01:23] <magicrobotmonkey> no such luck
[01:23] <savvas> you should make a backup of some stuff when you're playing around
[01:23] <magicrobotmonkey> well, lets see how this goes...
[01:24] <savvas> otherwise, a format can be a cruel solution :)
[01:24] <wabiD> is there a way to change the menu bar logo in gusty
[01:24] <lerolero> ccsm
[01:24] <savvas> wabiD: locate distributor-logo
[01:25] <RAOF> magicrobotmonkey: Actually "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg" is probably what you want :)
[01:25] <wabiD> thats for the menubar thing on the panel right?
[01:25] <magicrobotmonkey> k thx RAOF
[01:25] <wabiD> and i can have it be as wide as i want
[01:26] <wabiD> :/ search didnt find it
[01:26] <savvas> wabiD: well.. I believe one of those listed icons is used
[01:26] <savvas> impossible
[01:26] <wabiD> search is probably broken :)
[01:26] <savvas> try sudo update-db && locate distributor-logo
[01:27] <savvas> I'll paste it somewhere in the meantime
[01:28] <edgy> Hi, my /etc/X11/xorg.conf has
[01:28] <edgy> Section "Device"
[01:28] <edgy>         Identifier      "Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller"
[01:28] <edgy>         Driver          "intel"
[01:28] <edgy> But xserver-xorg-video-intel is not installed
[01:28] <savvas> wabiD: btw, if an update occurs in the tangerine icon package, don't expect your changed files in /usr/ folders to remain as you changed them, so keep a backup somewhere
[01:29] <edgy> should I install it or from where did it get that driver?
[01:29] <savvas> wabiD: http://pastebin.ca/raw/714290
[01:30] <wabiD> any idea which one is for the menu
[01:30] <wabiD> and does it have to be square
[01:30] <savvas> edgy: is that an open source driver? check if your graphics controller can be installed from system > admin > restricted drivers manager
[01:31] <savvas> well.. by the size, i'd say it's 32x32
[01:32] <magicrobotmonkey> oh good it made its own backups
[01:32] <magicrobotmonkey> all set
[01:32] <edgy> savvas: the restricted manager doesn't show the graphics controller and yes that one is free
[01:32] <edgy> savvas: i don't know whether I need to leave it or change it
[01:33] <zerwas> my goodness, WebKit is really better than Gecko and firefox
[01:33] <Skwid_> hey guys
[01:33] <Skwid_> i have problems with my sound controls on gutsy
[01:33] <Skwid_> on the keyboard, if i change the volume with the buttons, i get the OSD and the appropriate bar shift, but the actual sound does not change, same for the mute
[01:33] <savvas> edgy: I found these two packages, I'm not sure if it's the other one: xserver-xorg-video-i810 - X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver
[01:33] <savvas> xserver-xorg-video-intel - X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver
[01:33] <Skwid_> if i use the sound volume control in the bar everything works fine
[01:34] <Skwid_> I don't really mind, just thought i'd give people a heads up
[01:34] <maccam94> i've got a question about the video card blacklist for compiz/desktop effects
[01:34] <edgy> savvas: yes both are not installed in my system
[01:36] <savvas> edgy: glxgears work ok?
[01:36] <edgy> savvas: yes, I just launched it and it works, what can I check on it?
[01:36] <edgy> 18684 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3736.762 FPS savvas
[01:37] <savvas> if the gears roll fine, with no "cutting", it means the driver works fine
[01:37] <edgy> savvas: what do you mean by no cutting? how can I check this?
[01:37] <maccam94> glxinfo | grep direct
[01:37] <magicrobotmonkey> i saw that there was a gui to install flash for ff but i cant find it
[01:37] <maccam94> edgy: that will tell you if you have DRI working
[01:37] <maccam94> which basically means the driver is working
[01:38] <edgy> maccam94: direct rendering: Yes
[01:38] <savvas> 6388 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1271.435 FPS
[01:38] <savvas> this is without the nvidia driver :)
[01:38] <savvas> my guess is that your driver is installed correctly
[01:38] <edgy> savvas: if I maximize the window it's 2677 frames in 5.0 seconds = 534.967 FPS
[01:39] <maccam94> edgy: you can also try running, or installing and running nvidia-settings
[01:39] <edgy> ok thanks savvas and maccam94, I would live with it
[01:39] <edgy> maccam94: I don't have nvidia, I have intel chipset
[01:39] <savvas> maccam94: no, he has intel :P
[01:39] <maccam94> ah
[01:39] <savvas> i just made a comparing with mine :)
[01:39] <maccam94> k
[01:39] <maccam94> so what was the original issue?
[01:39] <maccam94> i'm on an intel graphics card atm
[01:40] <savvas> he has "intel" in xorg.conf, but not installed xserver-xorg-video-intel
[01:41] <maccam94> that's just the *new* driver
[01:41] <maccam94> the normal one is...
[01:41] <_sidd> maccam94: i810?
[01:42] <maccam94> yes
[01:42] <savvas> xserver-xorg-video-i740 or xserver-xorg-video-i810 ?
[01:42] <maccam94> i810
[01:42] <savvas> edgy: check for xserver-xorg-video-i740 or xserver-xorg-video-i810 once more
[01:42] <maccam94> i740 is for i740 only chipsets, i810 is for i8xx and i9xx
[01:43] <savvas> 401:28:08 < edgy>         Identifier      "Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller"
[01:43] <savvas> 01:28:08 < edgy>         Driver          "intel"
[01:43] <Xero> !DKMS
[01:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dkms - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:43] <Xero> Is Ubuntu going to have Dell's DKMS soon?
[01:43] <maccam94> i think they do already
[01:43] <savvas> what's that?
[01:43] <savvas> :] 
[01:43] <Xero> Dynamic Kernel Module Something
[01:43] <maccam94> dynamic kernel module
[01:43] <maccam94> beat me to it
[01:44] <maccam94> lol
[01:44] <edgy> savvas: I don't know how this happens but when I recheck now both packages are installed I mean the -810 and the -intel! Thanks a lot really
[01:44] <Xero> Dubuntu? Nice.
[01:44] <savvas> edgy: no probs :)
[01:44] <maccam94> and i do think i remember seeing something about dkms when i booted up the first time
[01:44] <Xero> The next computer I get is going to be a Dubuntu.
[01:44] <maccam94> (it runs some configuration scripts or something)
[01:45] <savvas> so.. what does dkms do?
[01:45] <snadge> dell has a custom ver of ubuntu?
[01:45] <savvas> dell really created dubuntu? :P
[01:46] <maccam94> snadge: sorta
[01:46] <maccam94> they customized it a little bit
[01:46] <maccam94> and they do now have a remastered cd available for download
[01:46] <maccam94> check the direct2dell.com blog for details
[01:46] <Xero> savvas, it's a name.
[01:46] <Xero> Dubuntu is Dell Ubuntu, not a Dell customized Ubuntu.
[01:47] <Xero> Dubuntu is any Dell with Ubuntu on it (by this logic, my old Dimension B110 is a Dubuntu)
[01:47] <bastid_raZor> heh, sounds like something a stoner came up with
[01:47] <maccam94> i bought a dubuntu tho ;-)
[01:47] <maccam94> it's the 1420n
[01:47] <Xero> bastid_raZor, some guy on the interweb came up with it
[01:47] <Xero> http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/linux/locutus/archives/dell-and-linux-delnux-or-dubuntu-16042
[01:47] <bastid_raZor> delnux heh
[01:48] <maccam94> they got stuff like the resolution working, mouse stuff, modem drivers, etc
[01:48] <Xero> Dubuntu > Delnux.
[01:48] <maccam94> they didn't do a perfect job (horizontal scrolling wasn't enabled, some other annoyances) but it works great
[01:49] <bastid_raZor> i can't wait till gutsy is released.. compiz-fusion is murder after the latest kernel update
[01:49] <maccam94> murder as in good or bad?
[01:49] <bastid_raZor> for me.. bad
[01:49] <Xero> murder as in good for me.
[01:49] <Xero> I used to get 30FPS on it. Now I get a constant 90 after an NVidia fix.
[01:50] <maccam94> i don't really get why it's blacklisted either
[01:50] <bastid_raZor> i have nvidia 7600 .. but titlebars and such are gone now the update and reboot
[01:50] <maccam94> i hacked /usr/bin/compiz and disabled the blacklist, and then compiz --replace worked just fine
[01:50] <savvas> looks like dubuntu is already taken: http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution=Dubuntu%206.06
[01:50] <savvas> :p
[01:51] <Xero> http://flickr.com/photos/xero2007/ compiz gallery
[01:51] <Xero> The newest one has a rendering artifact (gnome-screenshot + fire plugin = suxx0r)
[01:51] <bastid_raZor> since the next release with have compiz as default i should have less troubles
[01:52] <maccam94> gutsy (admin): Dynamic Kernel Module Support Framework   [universe] 
[01:52] <maccam94> 2.0.17.4-0ubuntu1: all
[01:52] <maccam94> Xero: does that answer your dkms question?
[01:52] <savvas> Xero: compiz or compiz-fusion?
[01:52] <Xero> Oh mah gawd Dell are has insider spywair
[01:52] <Xero> savvas, Fusion.
[01:53] <maccam94> it's in the universe repo, not main :-P
[01:53] <chemturion> hey! So I just plugged my laptop into an external moniter, and my screen resolution changed and won't let me change it back. I tried going into both Screen Resolution and Screens and Graphics, no luck
[01:53] <bastid_raZor> Xero did you have initial problems after the update today/yesterday?
[01:53] <Xero> Dell are still has spywair
[01:53] <bastid_raZor> with fusion
[01:53] <Xero> bastid_raZor, no problems today or yesterday.
[01:53] <bastid_raZor> do you use the emerald theme?
[01:53] <Xero> bastid_raZor, GTK
[01:53] <chemturion> I tried xrandr too, but it won't let me switch
[01:54] <savvas> chemturion: it doesn't let you? no error/information message?
[01:55] <chemturion> savvas: It dosn't have the option for any resolution higher than 640x480
[01:55] <_sidd> chemturion: intel card?
[01:55] <chemturion> no ATI
[01:56] <savvas> did you install the driver?
[01:56] <chemturion> I've been using the non-restricted one fine for about six months
[01:57] <savvas> well I'm out of ideas, maybe someone else can help :] 
[01:58] <maccam94> chemturion: have you been using dual screens for the whole time?
[01:58] <maccam94> you may need the binary for proper dual screens
[01:58] <chemturion> ok
[01:58] <Laibsch> looks like hda is now sda for performance reasons.  Does the hda drive in "sda disguise" have dma or is that not necessary anymore?
[01:59] <Laibsch> This is not a PATA drive, but an old ATA laptop drive
[01:59] <Xero> Mine used to be hda, too.
[01:59] <Xero> Yeah. Mine's IDE. IDE is supposed to be hda, not sda.
[01:59] <chemturion> well  I've removed the second screen and restarted  still no luck
[01:59] <maccam94> ubuntu switched all drives to sd* in feisty methinks
[02:00] <hydrogen> err
[02:00] <Laibsch> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2946827
[02:00] <Laibsch> which does not answer the dma question
[02:00] <maccam94> i think the only thing affected is the name
[02:00] <maccam94> all capabilities should be the same
[02:00] <maccam94> use hdparm to list all info about the drive, it should tell you what you want to know
[02:03] <Laibsch> maccam94: Should is nice
[02:03] <Laibsch> dma is neither listed as on or off anymore
[02:03] <Laibsch> Which is why I ask if it is still relevant
[02:05] <Laibsch> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/110636
[02:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110636 in linux-source-2.6.22 "hdparm - cannot set dma on IDE hard drive that works via pata" [Medium,Incomplete] 
[02:05] <maccam94> Laibsch: so you did hdparm -I /dev/sd??
[02:06] <maccam94> hm, well i guess the bug would explain it...
[02:06] <Laibsch> maccam94: I did "hdparm /dev/sda" without the -i
[02:06] <maccam94> -I makes it list everything it knows about the drive
[02:06] <maccam94> very useful
[02:07] <maccam94> and fyi, hdparm /dev/sda on my system says nothing about dma
[02:07] <maccam94> however hdparm -I /dev/sda says it's enabled
[02:08] <chemturion> Ok so If I change the resolution in Screens and Graphics and hit Test, it changes, and then I hit "Keep Configuration" and it reverts back to the 680 x 480
[02:09] <savvas> 03:00.0 IDE interface: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Unknown device 6121 (rev b1) <- my PATA hard drive :P
[02:09] <maccam94> chemturion: what are the other option(s)
[02:09] <chemturion> cancel
[02:09] <maccam94> have you tried then saving the settings in screens and graphics?
[02:09] <maccam94> instead of doing test, just closing/applying it?
[02:10] <maccam94> Laibsch: you need to pass the -I (capital i)
[02:10] <maccam94> i just double checked on my ancient laptop that's running gutsy
[02:11] <chemturion> ok so Instead of just OK/Apply I saved the profile
[02:11] <chemturion> still nothing
[02:11] <maccam94> maybe you still have to restart X after doing that...
[02:12] <maccam94> you shouldn't have to, but you might
[02:12] <chemturion> ok one sec
[02:12] <lerolero> supah
[02:17] <griznok> hi people
[02:17] <maccam94> hi
[02:17] <leperkhanz> buenos dias.
[02:18] <griznok> too late... I should have read the Topic
[02:18] <griznok> lol
[02:18] <leperkhanz> and no 3d apps under wine.
[02:18] <Skwid_> how do you guys print multiple pages per page ?
[02:18] <leperkhanz> and bad fps under native 3d apps.
[02:18] <griznok> has anyone managed to get an ATI 9600 to do the desktop effects thing yet?
[02:19] <RAOF> leperkhanz: You're using Xgl, right?
[02:19] <maccam94> griznok: what driver are you using?
[02:19] <leperkhanz> RAOF: Yep.
[02:19] <RAOF> leperkhanz: Although I don't get bad 3d performance on native games.
[02:19] <leperkhanz> 10 fps in quake 3. lol
[02:19] <griznok> the default Gutsy one I guess
[02:19] <griznok> let me see...
[02:20] <RAOF> leperkhanz: So, no direct rendering is normal, no 3d under wine is due to a wine bug.
[02:20] <leperkhanz> I see.
[02:20] <leperkhanz> 10 fps under quake 3?
[02:20] <leperkhanz> native?
[02:20] <ConstyXIV> has anyone else run into a bug where your computer tries to commit seppuku?
[02:20] <leperkhanz> I get +5 fps under compiz... lol
[02:20] <leperkhanz> for a grand total of FIFTEEN fps.
[02:20] <griznok> maccam94: the Proprietary one
[02:20] <RAOF> leperkhanz: Well, the games in the repositories run fine for me.
[02:21] <leperkhanz> hmmm
[02:21] <leperkhanz> You tried Urban Terror?
[02:21] <leperkhanz> It's not in the repos.
[02:21] <RAOF> No.
[02:21] <leperkhanz> But it is a GREAT game, and is linux native.
[02:21] <leperkhanz> g2g... c u later.
[02:21] <ConstyXIV> speaking of games, is there a .deb for Enemy Territory?
[02:21] <chemturion> maccam94: Thanks I restarted and it worked
[02:22] <maccam94> chemturion: glad to hear it
[02:22] <ConstyXIV> WolfET, not Quake Wars of course
[02:23] <griznok> actually, got another question... about Truecrypt and gutsy
[02:23] <lerolero> compiz is so awesome, it makes me cry sometimes.
[02:24] <griznok> lol
[02:24] <griznok> I had it working great under Fiesty.. now I'm just plain crying
[02:24] <lerolero> i just ran starcraft, using wine, sent a zerg rush and started playing with the cube.
[02:25] <lerolero> griznok: keybinding problems ?
[02:25] <zetheroo> what is Gutsy going to do for us who use Pocket PC's?
[02:25] <zetheroo> Is there something like ActiveSync coming our way?
[02:25] <griznok> lerolero: nope, just I dont understand how to get the desktop effects to work...
[02:26] <lerolero> must have some Guts to run it on pocket pc
[02:26] <ConstyXIV> is there a fix for the "ghosts" that show up in 3d games when you have compiz running?
[02:26] <lerolero> griznok: they're enabled by default.
[02:26] <griznok> err...
[02:26] <lerolero> :~
[02:26] <zetheroo> anyone?
[02:26] <lerolero> sorry. too obvious ? :~
[02:27] <griznok> well how about how do I disable them (?)
[02:27] <lerolero> pkill compiz; metacity --replace ?
[02:27] <griznok> I mean, the "proper" way
[02:27] <lerolero> i had to do that, cuz the gnome settings stuff is not working here.
[02:27] <griznok> if there is such a thing
[02:27] <griznok> ahhh.. ok
[02:27] <RAOF> griznok: System->preferences->apperance->desktop effects->No effecs
[02:27] <lerolero> but it should be System -> Preferences -> Gl Desktop
[02:28] <RAOF> lerolero: No.  Not unless he's got the (old, unmaintained, probably doesn't work) gnome-compiz-manager package installed.
[02:28] <griznok> RAOF: thanks mate.. unfortunately, nothing happens when I click on the Desktop Effects tab there
[02:29] <RAOF> griznok: You mean, you don't see a tab?
[02:29] <lerolero> RAOF: you're right. I had that installed and got some trouble.
[02:29] <griznok> RAOF: I see a tab called: Visual Effects...
[02:30] <griznok> RAOF: if I click on it.. nothing happens besides the window sortof dying
[02:30] <RAOF> griznok: Ooh.  Yeah.  Name change.  That's what you're after.
[02:30] <RAOF> griznok: Ah.  Bug filing time!
[02:30] <griznok> oO
[02:30] <griznok> right then
[02:30] <lerolero> oh, the joy of beta testing...
[02:30] <griznok> lol :) when is the release supposed to be comming out?
[02:31] <lerolero> october ?
[02:31] <ConstyXIV> griznok: october 28 IIRC
[02:31] <griznok> feels like they're cutting it pretty close
[02:31] <lerolero> one whole month...
[02:31] <lerolero> i wonder how's it in microsoft...
[02:32] <griznok> I had quite a few crashes... and I'm pretty much a noob
[02:32] <griznok> i.e. didn't mess with any of the cooler stuff
[02:32] <lerolero> it went real smooth here, except the keyboard stuff.
[02:33] <griznok> I guess it depends on your hardware.. I've got an ATI (shudder) and an AMD 64-bit old mobo
[02:34] <lerolero> mee too, but i don't wanna mess with 64 bits stuff.
[02:34] <lerolero> not on my desktop.
[02:34] <griznok> then again, I did an upgrade from a pretty-much working fiesty - not a clean install
[02:36] <griznok> oh cool... I just typed in "compiz --replace" and ... it worked!
[02:36] <griznok> lol
[02:36] <lerolero> gotta love when it works...
[02:36] <griznok> absolutely
[02:37] <leperkhan1> Yeah, it works, but it crashes all the time.
[02:37] <leperkhan1> But it's DAMNED pretty.
[02:37] <griznok> :)
[02:37] <griznok> now all I need to do is find some themes to mess about with... Emerald doesn't have any installed
[02:39] <ConstyXIV> compiz works flawlessly for me
[02:39] <ConstyXIV> yesterday it had some glitch where the panel wouldn't show at boot unless i switched desktops, but an update fixed that
[02:39] <Vissud> hello..I recently updated to the latest nvidia drivers, and now X won't recogonize my external lcd when I'm docked..any ideas?
[02:40] <griznok> amazing... now I have emerald themes installed... I'm on a roll here :))
[02:40] <ConstyXIV> Vissud: haven't tried myself, but see if you can enable it in the screens config
[02:40] <ConstyXIV> supposed to work wonders for dual monitor setups
[02:41] <Say10> Problem: no default mixer installed, i do have sound though. only sound not working is flash, have googled problem with no resolve.
[02:41] <m1ke> Does Gutsy have text to speech software?
[02:42] <ConstyXIV> m1ke: flite, but it's console only
[02:42] <ConstyXIV> probably a gui somewhere if you need it
[02:43] <m1ke> is that the only software? How good is it?
[02:48] <griznok> so much for stability :( had to reboot
[02:49] <griznok> has anyone had any luck in using truecrypt under gutsy?
[02:49] <ConstyXIV> how do you set up emerald to be your decorator?
[02:49] <griznok> I think you type "emerald --replace" (??)
[02:50] <Xero> ConstyXIV, if m1ke wants it that badly, he can get kttsd, since that's the only tts gui in ubuntu
[02:50] <ConstyXIV> but you have to type that in every time.  i'm talking about replacing the standard decorator
[02:50] <RAOF> griznok: No, but the alternate CD now allows you to install onto a dm_crypt root.
[02:50] <Xero> ConstyXIV, I would put it in the "sessions" preferences
[02:51] <Xero> startup programs
[02:51] <m1ke> use ksayit front end?
[02:51] <Xero> System>Preferences>Sessions
[02:51] <griznok> RAOF: I guess I need to see what dm_crypt is
[02:52] <Xero> Uh oh.
[02:52] <griznok> I found some blog that explained how to recompile the kernel and truecrypt source...
[02:52] <griznok> I got a whole bunch of errors
[02:53] <RAOF> griznok: No point, I think, unless you need to be able to read the encrypted disc on Windows.
[02:54] <griznok> RAOF: actually, I have volume I created under fiesty... was just trying to see if I could read it
[02:54] <m1ke> where do  i get actual voices from?
[02:55] <fedefede0101> hi guys..is there anyone??
[02:55] <spasticteapot> Dunno.
[02:55] <jim> fedefede0101: there isn't anywone
[02:56] <jim> there might be some ones
[02:56] <fedefede0101> oh :) good
[02:56] <spasticteapot> Anyone know what's causing the big that makes it impossible to adjust screen brightness?
[02:56] <spasticteapot> And why my battery life sucks so bad?
[02:56] <sebastian_> hey guys ... has anybody had the problem with the ubuntu whole day appointments showing a day off in the gnome calendar? it's only been happening in gutsy
[02:56] <griznok> Anyone might know, but someone doesnt
[02:56] <griznok> :P
[02:56] <jim> spasticteapot: current * voltage * time
[02:56] <spasticteapot> sebastian_: Woah. How'd they do that?
[02:56] <fedefede0101> I've dist-upgraded to gutsy today
[02:56] <spasticteapot> jim: Let me rephrase that.
[02:56] <fedefede0101> everything works fine...I think
[02:57] <spasticteapot> Why is my laptop not using power-saving features to reduce current draw?
[02:57] <fedefede0101> but if I put vga=791 into grub
[02:57] <sebastian_> spasticteapot: i wouldn't know :D
[02:57] <jim> (btw... that's one formula for energy transfer)
[02:57] <fedefede0101> I can't see anything :(
[02:57] <fedefede0101> is this a known bug...??
[02:58] <fedefede0101> it's really strange...never happened sth like that :(
[02:58] <fedefede0101> sorry for my english by the way :)
[03:00] <fedefede0101> I think it's not a known bug...maybe I've done sth wrong :(
[03:01] <maccam94> is there a reason ubuntu's servers are so slow lately?
[03:01] <Xero> maccam94, wfm.
[03:01] <maccam94> i usually get 350KB/s, but on the updates i'm only getting ~50KB/s
[03:04] <sebastian_> ok i fixed it ... it turns out that evolution has its own time-zone settings ...
[03:04] <sebastian_> so the time zone of evolution didn't match the gnome time-zome
[03:05] <sebastian_> and gnome seems to bold the date on which an appointment starts rather than ends
[03:09] <fedefede0101> K... I will try a new fresh install on my laptop tomorrow
[03:09] <fedefede0101> maybe I missed something
[03:09] <fedefede0101> :(
[03:09] <fedefede0101> bye
[03:13] <amx> any idea why my /boot partition fails to mount after my upgrade to gutsy?
[03:14] <Laibsc1> amx: "grep boot /etc/fstab"
[03:14] <amx> UUID=d3767e4c-a821-47e5-a88d-863ed0d8635e /boot ext3 defaults 0 2
[03:15] <amx>  /boot is a regular partition, and / is an LVM2 partition
[03:15] <hydrogen> what does mount /boot do ?
[03:15] <hydrogen> er
[03:15] <hydrogen> sudo mount /boot
[03:15] <amx> mount: /dev/hda5 already mounted or /boot busy
[03:16] <amx> I had the same problem with another regular partition on another disk
[03:16] <hydrogen> mount | grep /boot
[03:16] <amx> nothing
[03:17] <hydrogen> is there anyting in /boot currently?
[03:17] <Xero> I heard some guy pronounce ubuntu "uh-boont-uh"
[03:17] <amx> I looked around a bit and there seems to be some weird stuff under /dev/mapper
[03:17] <Xero> isn't it "oo-boon-too"?
[03:17] <hydrogen> uBUTu
[03:17] <hydrogen> uBUTnoo
[03:17] <hydrogen> i don't know!
[03:17] <amx> hydrogen: yeah, a couple of file due to new linux-images packages
[03:18] <Xero> Gah! My messengers all got d/c'ed.
[03:18] <amx> the weird thing is that my regular partitions show up under /dev/mapper, which I though was only for LVM stuff
[03:19] <amx> although all the links are just pointing to themselves
[03:22] <amx> for my other partition (hdb1) that I couldn't mount, I was able to mount after doing 'sudo dmsetup remove hdb1'
[03:22] <amx> but no such luck for my /boot partition
[03:30] <amx> hmm, sounds a bit similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/144595
[03:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144595 in ubuntu "lvm device mapper devs are symlinks to themselves" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[03:31] <slackern> I've got a Creative Labs SB Audigy LS in this machine and if i press volume up/down on my keyboard it adjusts IEC958 Center/LFE instead of Analog Front gnome-volume-control, any ideas how to change it to the correct one?
[03:31] <slackern> It should be "Analog Front in gnome-volume-control"
[03:31] <hydrogen> you probably need to set the "master channel"
[03:32] <slackern> hydrogen, ahh any idea where i might do that?
[03:32] <hydrogen> slackern: I could tell you if you were using kmix
[03:32] <hydrogen> but no idea with g-v-c
[03:32] <hydrogen> try right clicking on the tray applet
[03:32] <slackern> i got kde install too so got kmix up now
[03:33] <n0yd> Does anyone know if epiphany in Gutsy has been compiled with WebKitGtk backend support?  Or did they decide to leave it out, and if so, if anyone knows of a Epiphany package for ubuntu that has WebKit enabled....
[03:34] <hydrogen> last I played with webkit it was far from usable
[03:34] <n0yd> It's plenty usable now
[03:35] <n0yd> Not that I would care either way, it's for development purposes that I want it.
[03:35] <n0yd> I just don't feel like compiling it tonight
[03:36] <slackern> hydrogen, ahh i found it now, im braindead i think maybe i should have looked in system->prefs->sound :)
[03:36] <nomasteryoda> lol
[03:36] <slackern> hydrogen, i thought i could access all the settings through the mixer but that was not the case :)
[03:36] <slackern> all sorted out now atleast
[03:37] <slackern> Always like that, you have it right in front of you all the time but you can't see it
[03:45] <DSMaster> can someone help me with a Internet problemon Tribe 5?
[03:45] <DSMaster> problem on*
[03:48] <spasticteapot> DSMaster: maybe?
[03:48] <DSMaster> I can't get the network working at alll
[03:48] <DSMaster> Ethernet, Wlan, nothing
[03:49] <DSMaster> I may just have to reinstall Ubuntu
[03:49] <DSMaster> but I'm hopingnot
[03:50] <DSMaster> got gfx working beautifully
[03:54] <newcar> where can i check witch parameters i can pass to a module with modproble?
[03:55] <RAOF> newcar: modinfo <modulename> often provides such information.
[03:55] <newcar> nice, thx
[03:55] <DSMaster> and ideas on getting internet working again?
[03:57] <DSMaster> any*
[03:58] <spasticteapot> DsMaster: Well, I'm not quite sure what's wrong.
[03:58] <DSMaster> myinternet won't work
[03:58] <spasticteapot> I've had some glitches with network-manager.
[03:58] <DSMaster> I haen't done anything on it in a few weks
[03:58] <spasticteapot> Try using ifconfig or iwconfig.
[03:59] <VousDeux> !java
[03:59] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre
[03:59] <DSMaster> some helpful commnds pleas?
[03:59] <VousDeux> !64-bit java
[03:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 64-bit java - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:59] <slackern> I had to do 'sudo dhclient eth0' for a couple of days since the networkmanager didn't seem to do it properly, but i no longer have that problem
[04:00] <slackern> sorry that last one was to DSMaster, getting tired here :=
[04:01] <VousDeux> !blackdown
[04:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blackdown - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:01] <DSMaster> ??
[04:01] <DSMaster> ah.
[04:01] <DSMaster> I'll give that a shot
[04:02] <DSMaster> except mine's a Wlan
[04:02] <DSMaster> so isn't it wlan0?
[04:02] <slackern> Oh you are using wifi?
[04:02] <DSMaster> yes
[04:02] <spasticteapot> Iwconfig works for all wifi.
[04:02] <slackern> I have no idea about how wifi works in linux at all im afraid
[04:02] <spasticteapot> For example: sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid (your essid here)
[04:03] <spasticteapot> slackern: type "man iwconfig" in the command line.
[04:03] <DSMaster> it's WPA
[04:03] <DSMaster> lol
[04:03] <spasticteapot> No, I'm not one of the pricks trying to tell you to fix things with "ALT F4"
[04:03] <Vissud> gah, this is killing me..X continues to run only on my close lcd screen of my laptop, while the vt's run on the xternal monitor..grr
[04:03] <DSMaster> lol
[04:03] <VousDeux> is anyone else having trouble installing java plugin?
[04:03] <DSMaster> no
[04:03] <DSMaster> go to a java page and have firefox instl it
[04:04] <DSMaster> it worked for me
[04:04] <VousDeux> oh, I should have mentioned 64-bit java
[04:04] <Vissud> anyone know of a way to tell why X won't use a particxular screen, or if it can even see it?
[04:04] <DSMaster> should still work on that same way
[04:04] <DSMaster> -on
[04:04] <VousDeux> the blackdown site doesn't seem to be responding
[04:04] <DSMaster> -that
[04:04] <DSMaster> the*
[04:05] <gnomefreak> VousDeux: nspluginwrapper allows you to use java with 64bit
[04:06] <gnomefreak> same with flash (but i still perfer gnash) ;)
[04:06] <VousDeux> hmm...any idea when native support might be expected?
[04:06] <VousDeux> the flash seems to be working for me
[04:06] <newcar> where can i edit witch modules are autoloaded?
[04:06] <RAOF>  /etc/modules
[04:07] <gnomefreak> VousDeux: right now its the closest you can get, but i will see about heron its too late in devel cycle afaik but i will talk to java main maintainer
[04:07] <newcar> sorry for all the questions, im starting with linux modules hackin and stuff
[04:07] <VousDeux> alright...thanks for the response
[04:08] <gnomefreak> if you read planet.ubuntu.com when i find out if we can do it ill blog about it
[04:10] <newcar> anyone here have experience with joydev module?
[04:10] <VousDeux> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070919 Ubuntu/7.10 (gutsy) Firefox/2.0.0.6
[04:11] <VousDeux> Flash seems to be working just fine on this.
[04:12] <Vissud> 3
[04:13] <musikgoat> looking to file a bug or add to it,  but i'm not sure if there is already a bug filed.   when resuming from standby, the system hangs with a blank black screen and the word Linu towards the top.   The only way to get past this is to tap on the keys a bunch of times until the system loads my login.   Any suggestions on what I should do?
[04:13] <philip> how do I find out the app that's thrashing my HD?
[04:13] <musikgoat> toshiba a105 with intel chipset
[04:13] <RAOF> philip: echo trackerd :(
[04:16] <philip> RAOF, what do you mean? that doesn't do anything
[04:17] <crdlb> heh
[04:19] <musikgoat> nvm, i found the filed bug report
[04:20] <philip> nothing is even running and the hard drive just runs like a mad man
[04:20] <RAOF> philip: I mean, that will echo to the console what's doing all the disc i/o.
[04:20] <RAOF> philip: It's going to be either trackerd or updatedb.
[04:21] <philip> it's trackerd
[04:21] <RAOF> Indeed.
[04:21] <RAOF> Yay trackerd
[04:21] <philip> RAOF but if I do "echo RAOF" it would return RAOF so
[04:21] <RAOF> :)
[04:22] <RAOF> philip: No, what I meant was "trackerd is almost certainly what's thrashing your disc"
[04:22] <philip> ah ok haha
[04:23] <philip> I thought you wanted me to type "echo trackerd" into the console
[04:24] <philip> RAOF, I just kill -9 trackerd and the IO stopped yay
[04:28] <newcar> anyone knows vojtech@ucw.cz?
[04:28] <newcar> Vojtech Pavlik
[04:29] <newcar> i need to contact him ^^
[04:29] <newcar> well, i know, ill e-mail him
[04:37] <mon^rch> I am using this awesome program called "alltray" but it wont work while compiz is enabled... too bad, hunh?
[04:39] <mon^rch> was very lpeased to find out that I can run opengl apps and games with compiz, however
[04:42] <sparr> i hate broken software DURING an upgrade
[04:45] <Tm_T> I have two hands and one mouth
[04:45] <hydrogen> freak.
[04:46] <Tm_T> hydrogen: I know
[04:50] <sparr> broken software after an upgrade i can handle
[04:50] <sparr> thats to be expected
[04:50] <sparr> but its quite different for something to be working before the upgrade, broken during the upgrade, and working after the upgrade
[04:50] <Tm_T> sounds fun
[04:56] <twb> Good day.  What version of GNOME will Gutsy ship with?
[04:56] <crdlb> twb, 2.20
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> 2.20 or so is what i have now
[04:56] <RAOF> 2.20 (or maybe 2.20.1, or another bugfix release)
[04:56] <twb> Thank you.
[04:56] <nomasteryoda> its good stuff
[04:57] <RAOF> And Hardy will ship with 2.22 :).  And Ubuntu+2 will ship with 2.24, etc :)
[04:57] <hydrogen> err
[04:57] <hydrogen> hardy is ubuntu+2
[04:57] <hydrogen> you mean ubuntu+3
[04:58] <RAOF> Quite true.
[04:58] <hydrogen> plus
[04:58] <twb> Surely it would be Feisty+3
[04:58] <hydrogen> gnome is dead!
[04:58] <slackern> did they do something in gutsy with subpixel smoothing? maybe its my imagination but the fonts look so much better now
[04:58] <hydrogen> so
[04:58] <twb> Otherwise Ubuntu+N is temporally visceral
[04:58] <RAOF> slackern: Yes.
[04:58] <sparr> any heroes fans in the room?  im watching the new season premier, and im confused.  theres a bunch of flashbacks at the beginning, but im seeing a lot of things that i dont remember from last season
[04:59] <RAOF> sparr: SILENCE!
[04:59] <twb> hydrogen: why do you say GNOME is dead?
[04:59] <slackern> RAOF, ahh nice, thought i saw something about it being mentioned but wasn't sure, it's alot better now than before
[04:59] <twb> hydrogen: sure, it's awful, but I don't know anything better to give to idiot mouse users
[04:59] <hydrogen> twb: because its fun to beat a dead horse
[05:00] <twb> Indeed.
[05:04] <musikgoat> I have a bug that is aparently caused by acpi_cpufreq,  will blacklisting that give me undesirable results?
[05:07] <CountX> can anyone help me with making a website
[05:08] <CountX> im at a bit of a loss, i cant use macromedia flash on linux
[05:08] <CountX> i would really like to get back to editing my site, yet i do not know how in linux
[05:09] <musikgoat> how about running flash in qemu?
[05:10] <musikgoat> or you could go the old fashioned route with a text editor :-P
[05:16] <CountX> anyone else have any help?
[05:16] <CountX> i would rather not run in an vm
[05:17] <RAOF> CountX: You could *try* running it under wine, but I don't know of a native alternative.
[05:18] <CountX> poo
[05:18] <CountX> that really does blow
[05:19] <CountX> here i was all excited about do web dev in nix and i cant do flash
[05:27] <CountX> anyone know why when i record my mic i get a bunch of static over my mic?
[05:27] <CountX> like over what im recording?
[05:27] <nomasteryoda> is it an external mic
[05:28] <nomasteryoda> or the one in the laptop?
[05:28] <twb> CountX: interference from other equipment.
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> could be, but i know i have issues with some sound output on my desktop
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> i thought it would be gone with gutsy, but its still there on one user's profile
[05:29] <nomasteryoda> so i'll have to cleanse that to make it nice for him
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> enable all the recording options for gnome panel mixxer or kmix
[05:30] <nomasteryoda> ... then look for capture... maybe
[05:30] <CountX> where is that
[05:30] <CountX> im looking
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> kubuntu?
[05:31] <CountX> noope
[05:31] <CountX> i dont like kda
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> ubuntu then
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> lol
[05:31] <CountX> kde*
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> ye forgot
[05:31] <nomasteryoda> hang on
[05:32] <CountX> ok it works in the sound manager
[05:32] <CountX> but i get a funky error message
[05:32] <BHSPitMonkey> sound recorder?
[05:32] <CountX> "Failed to construct test pipeline for 'gconfaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat'"
[05:32] <CountX> no in the sound manager
[05:32] <CountX> "sound preferences"
[05:33] <CountX> when i use the sound recorder i get a lot of static over what im recording
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> is the gain set too high?
[05:34] <CountX> but in the sound preferences i get fine sound playback of what im getting at the mic
[05:34] <CountX> no its not too loud
[05:34] <nomasteryoda> k
[05:34] <CountX> could be louded
[05:34] <CountX> louder*
[05:35] <CountX> could be doing something wrong
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> could be
[05:35] <CountX> i mean like with the settings, i havent touched anything
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> still looking at settings
[05:35] <nomasteryoda> good
[05:36] <Chiraporn> I recently upgraded to the gutsy pre-release, but the upgrade got messed up. A complete reinstall doesnt recognize my rt2500 wireless, even though the rt61 (and dependent) modules are inserted on boot. Another issue is that Totem wont play DVDs, complaining about the codecs, even though libdvdscc is installed. Any help? (I realize its alpha...)
[05:37] <CountX> ffdmpeg
[05:37] <CountX> and why is your name Chiraporn ???
[05:37] <Chiraporn> Sorry?
[05:37] <CountX> lol
[05:38] <Chiraporn> Its Thai
[05:38] <CountX> it makes no since at all damnit
[05:38] <Chiraporn> install ffmpeg?
[05:38] <CountX> its what i use
[05:38] <Chiraporn> Is this your recommendation?
[05:38] <CountX> yes
[05:38] <Chiraporn> You use it to play or to decode?
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> try using VLC
[05:38] <nomasteryoda> it will work... Totem has issues... imho
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> CountX, did you check the speaker in the tray?
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> preferences
[05:39] <CountX> i used the medibuntu repo and that was that
[05:39] <nomasteryoda> cool
[05:39] <CountX> what about the sound icon
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> right click and open sound control panel
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> then click the menu and find Preferences
[05:40] <nomasteryoda> hang on
[05:41] <CountX> okay....
[05:41] <CountX> i am at your whim
[05:41] <CountX> OMFG its 63 degreed in here
[05:42] <nomasteryoda|w> ok
[05:42] <nomasteryoda|w> now i'm on another profile
[05:42] <nomasteryoda|w> CountX, we can look together
[05:43] <CountX> yay
[05:43] <nomasteryoda|w> i have like 40 items to choose in the Edit, Preferences
[05:43] <nomasteryoda|w> i use kde on the other desktop.. my main one ...=D
[05:43] <nomasteryoda|w> this is nice brown crap
[05:43] <CountX> i have like 5
[05:43] <nomasteryoda|w> lol
[05:43] <nomasteryoda|w> ya
[05:44] <efface> I am trying to get psx32 (for my amd64 system) installed....I cannot find a standalone package to download, only references i can find are to apt dfeer to my source list which i dont wish to do and are only setup for feisty, anyone have any suggestions? I personlly dont care which psx emulator is on here, just as long as it works :P
[05:44] <nomasteryoda|w> family uses this ability to the max
[05:44] <nomasteryoda|w> CountX, check all the Mic boxes
[05:45] <nomasteryoda|w> to let you see them all in the Vol control
[05:45] <CountX> boxes?
[05:45] <CountX> i dont have any to check...
[05:45] <nomasteryoda|w> k
[05:45] <CountX> ok now i do
[05:45] <CountX> i was in the wrong thing
[05:45] <nomasteryoda|w> ya
[05:46] <nomasteryoda|w> there are so many ways to do things here... its nice
[05:46] <CountX> confounding
[05:46] <nomasteryoda|w> ya
[05:46] <nomasteryoda|w> can be
[05:46] <nomasteryoda|w> i can raise vol of the other session too... nice
[05:46] <nomasteryoda|w> listening to coldplay
[05:46] <nomasteryoda|w> very U2ish
[05:47] <nomasteryoda|w> so, enable the Microphone Capture
[05:47] <nomasteryoda|w> and boost and mic select
[05:47] <nomasteryoda|w> this is a laptop, right?
[05:47] <CountX> yeah
[05:47] <nomasteryoda|w> k
[05:47] <CountX> but i have a headset
[05:47] <nomasteryoda|w> mine has 2 mics
[05:47] <CountX> a logitech :)
[05:47] <CountX> mine 2
[05:47] <nomasteryoda|w> and can use both at same time
[05:47] <CountX> ont he front
[05:47] <nomasteryoda|w> ya
[05:48] <CountX> cool
[05:48] <nomasteryoda|w> or it seems that way
[05:48] <CountX> wtf
[05:48] <CountX> its like quiet at like 90-0%
[05:48] <CountX> then its blarring at 95 and 100 is max...
[05:48] <nomasteryoda|w> ya
[05:49] <CountX> wtf is up witht hat
[05:49] <nomasteryoda|w> beats me
[05:49] <RAOF> CountX: Yay logarithmic sensation!
[05:49] <nomasteryoda|w> LOL
[05:49] <CountX> lol
[05:49] <nomasteryoda|w> i am using Exaile now... man, that thing is nice
[05:49] <nomasteryoda|w> much smaller than amarok it seems
[05:50] <CountX> rhythmbox for life
[05:50] <nomasteryoda|w> i should try that too
[05:50] <nomasteryoda|w> i have everything installed for audio...
[05:50] <RAOF> CountX: Now, if only the gapless backend would play wavpack files...
[05:51] <CountX> lol
[05:51] <CountX> i use flac
[05:51] <nomasteryoda|w> Dr_willis, howdy
[05:51] <CountX> flac ftw
[05:51] <CountX> eff mp3 in the A
[05:51] <efface> anyone know where i can download psx32 or any other psx emulator for amd64 without having to get it from a repository via apt-get?
[05:52] <CountX> !botsnack
[05:52] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[05:52] <CountX> !apt
[05:52] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[05:52] <nomasteryoda|w> lol
[05:52] <efface> .....
[05:52] <efface> :(
[05:52] <CountX> use apt?
[05:53] <nomasteryoda|w> what is wrong with apt?
[05:53] <nomasteryoda|w> it makes things easy
[05:53] <CountX> sudo aptitude install pcsx
[05:53] <CountX> there ya go
[05:53] <efface> pcsx is for amd64?
[05:54] <CountX> efface, marcel@marcel-laptop:~$ apt-cache search psx
[05:54] <CountX> pcsx - Sony PlayStation emulator
[05:54] <efface> <3 brb give it a try
[05:54] <CountX> yuo should be able to use any 32bit app on x64
[05:55] <efface> i hate you but love you at the same time
[05:55] <efface> just spent the last 4 hours trying to get epsxe and psx to work
[05:55] <efface> trying all kinds of guides and building 32 libs
[05:55] <efface> sigh
[05:55] <CountX> lo
[05:55] <CountX> lol
[05:56] <CountX> :(
[05:56] <CountX> i cant use stickam :(
[05:56] <CountX> i feel lonely
[05:56] <CountX> thats why im here
[05:56] <nomasteryoda|w> man, i need to snoooooooze
[05:56] <CountX> no you dont
[05:56] <nomasteryoda|w> yawning all over the place
[05:56] <CountX> sleep is the enemy
[05:56] <nomasteryoda|w> lol
[05:56] <CountX> the only time now is party time
[05:56] <nomasteryoda|w> trye
[05:56] <RAOF> efface: That's why...
[05:56] <nomasteryoda|w> true
[05:56] <RAOF> !packages
[05:56] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[05:56] <CountX> im the baskeyball
[05:56] <RAOF> Exists :)
[05:57] <nomasteryoda|w> 23050 to be closer
[05:57] <nomasteryoda|w> =D
[05:57] <CountX> !bug#1
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[05:57] <CountX> ubotu is so informative
[05:57] <nomasteryoda|w> that is a nice bot
[05:59] <pvd2007> hey there everyone, I am on the latest distro of Xubuntu and I can't seem to get my audigy sound card working.  It shows up and I've unmuted everything in alsamixer, turned up all volumes, etc.. Still notw working.
[05:59] <pvd2007> Xubuntu told me to come here since im using gutsy
[05:59] <pvd2007> #xubuntu*
[06:00] <CountX> #xubuntu+1?
[06:00] <pvd2007> there is also a #ubuntu+1
[06:00] <pvd2007> ?
[06:00] <pvd2007> Xubuntu
[06:00] <pvd2007> *
[06:00] <CountX> me no no
[06:01] <CountX> nomasteryoda, i have a effed up audio set up
[06:01] <pvd2007> I also went to applications > settings > mixer  and chose the audigy sound card.
[06:01] <nomasteryoda|w> pvd2007, did you turn off the external amplifier option?
[06:02] <pvd2007> im not sure?
[06:02] <pvd2007> where do I do that
[06:02] <nomasteryoda|w> its one of the alsamixer options
[06:02] <nomasteryoda|w> most right if is the same for your card
[06:02] <nomasteryoda|w> i use a sb live
[06:02] <pvd2007> I have audigy 1
[06:02] <nomasteryoda|w> on the desktop
[06:02] <nomasteryoda|w> its similar
[06:02] <Vissud> ok, well, there must be some bug in the latest nvidia driver because if I use that, my external display doesn't work
[06:02] <pvd2007> I just turned it off
[06:03] <nomasteryoda|w> Vissud, did you try using nvidia-settings tool
[06:03] <nomasteryoda|w> i can make mine work with that
[06:03] <pvd2007> nomasteryoda|w: I locked it, but still no sound coming out of speakers
[06:03] <pvd2007> :-\
[06:04] <nomasteryoda|w> pvd2007, just a min
[06:04] <pvd2007> k
[06:04] <DShepherd> can i start ordering ship it cds for gutsy?
[06:04] <Vissud> nomasteryoda:  how so? did you have the same issue? mind you, i'm not looking for dual display, just my external
[06:04] <nomasteryoda|w> ya
[06:04] <nomasteryoda|w> i know what you mean
[06:04] <nomasteryoda|w> laptop right?
[06:05] <Vissud> yep
[06:05] <nomasteryoda|w> k
[06:05] <Vissud> what was the issue exactly?
[06:05] <nomasteryoda|w> hang on
[06:05] <nomasteryoda|w> check also for vga= added to the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:06] <nomasteryoda|w> can you switch to tty2 or 3 with no problems?
[06:06] <Vissud> yeah, my vt's work normally, on the external
[06:06] <Vissud> X starts up on the laptop lcd, even when the lid is closed
[06:06] <Vissud> 2
[06:07] <nomasteryoda|w> ya
[06:07] <nomasteryoda|w> any response from fn switch?
[06:07] <Vissud> nope
[06:07] <nomasteryoda|w> k
[06:07] <Vissud> no vga line either
[06:07] <CountX> what kinda of webcam stuff can you do on linux?
[06:07] <CountX> like, stickam doesnt work
[06:08] <nomasteryoda|w> never heard of stickam
[06:08] <CountX> is there any other webcam communities that work with linux?
[06:08] <nomasteryoda|w> Vissud, and you installed the nvidia-settings app?
[06:08] <CountX> which is a webcam community
[06:08] <nomasteryoda|w> CountX, looking
[06:09] <nomasteryoda|w> kik
[06:09] <nomasteryoda|w> kk
[06:09] <Vissud> yeah
[06:09] <Vissud> i have nvidia settings
[06:09] <nomasteryoda|w> k
[06:09] <nomasteryoda|w> and the detect displays does not show the external?
[06:10] <CountX> it worked for me
[06:10] <nomasteryoda|w> moving over to other profile... brb
[06:10] <Vissud> ok, one sec
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:10] <CountX> but be careful not to take out the cable and restart
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> my tunes is getting to me...
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> lol
[06:10] <nomasteryoda> ya
[06:11] <nomasteryoda> you can switch to a tty and restart the session wiht sys rsq+k if you need... will lose data ... possibly but its better'n restarting
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> well, i gotta run for a bit
[06:12] <CountX> nomasteryoda, ok
[06:12] <penguincentral> hi did anyone have trouble watching video yesterday?
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> if i'm not back in 12 minutes, i'm either asleep or in the ditch somewhere
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> with totem, always
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> =D
[06:12] <nomasteryoda> smplayer, perfect
[06:13] <penguincentral> because yesterday, any video that i was watching, no matter the codec or program wouldn't show up, then now it's working.  must have been a bug
[06:15] <Vissud> nomasteryoda: it detects it, but has it disabled
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> hmm, and shows it left or right of the main monitor?
[06:15] <pvd2007> well gonna restart make sure I have my onboard sound disabled
[06:15] <pvd2007> brb
[06:15] <nomasteryoda> if you click configure, what happens
[06:16] <Vissud> 3 options, disabled, sep x screen, and twinview
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> try twinview
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> really
[06:18] <Vissud> ok
[06:18] <nomasteryoda> it can clone the screen you have
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> heck, you can't break that... just try and see if it works like you want... then if so, add changes to your xorg.conf...
[06:19] <nomasteryoda> or use the xorg.conf it makes if its good enough
[06:20] <nomasteryoda> you would turn off xinerama to use twinview without widescreen effect
[06:21] <Vissud> that kind of works, though when I restart gdm the  login still comes up on the lcd and not the external
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> right
[06:22] <nomasteryoda> you have to mod the /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[06:22] <Vissud> ok, thanks!
[06:22] <Vissud> i think i'm close now
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> ... now i don't recommend this to much, but you can run that sudo nvidia-settings
[06:23] <Vissud> yeah, i know, that's how I was doing it
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> then save the file
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> ok
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> cool
[06:23] <Vissud> do you know if this is a bug in the driver?
[06:23] <riotkittie> i couldnt figure out why i'd get a system beep when i hit the login screen/desktop. it only took two days to realize that i have no sound. doh.
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> no, don't think so
[06:23] <nomasteryoda> nvidia has always been dorky to do externals to me.. but then again, so has Linux
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> unbreakable x also offers some problems when you have manually setup your system...
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> and it thinks it knows best
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> ouch...
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> riotkittie, audigy card?
[06:24] <riotkittie> you havent lived until you've broken x. people should not be robbed of the experience
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> LOL
[06:24] <nomasteryoda> ya well, ubuntu did that once... to everyone
[06:24] <Vissud> heh
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> it was classice uhoh
[06:25] <snadge> yeah its all well and good until you try to convince your boss that you can use ubuntu at work instead of windows
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> hehe
[06:25] <snadge> that ended up being a failure :P
[06:25] <Vissud> ok, well, thanks a lot..looks like the worst I have to do now is manually switch resolutions when I switch between laptop and external
[06:25] <Vissud> again, thanks a lot
[06:25] <riotkittie> no. it's a turtle beach? turtle bay? turtle soup? turtle something. c-media
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> man, that sux ... welcome Vissud
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> Vissud, you can leave it on
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> with the external setup in the file...
[06:25] <nomasteryoda> then just hook up the monitor
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> until the new x configurator is stable...
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> i think it will work... but spouting speculation will not help
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> =D
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> good luck
[06:26] <nomasteryoda> see ya round
[06:34] <philip> how do I get rid of trackerd? it runs every single time after I reboot causing constant IO
[06:34] <RAOF> You can remove the "tracker" package.
[06:43] <pvd2006> hmm
[06:43] <pvd2006> still no luck getting audigy 1 card working in Xubuntu gutsy gibson :-\
[06:43] <pvd2006> I have onboard disabled.
[06:43] <pvd2006> ive looked through both comand line and gui versin of alsa mixer
[06:43] <pvd2006> nothing is muted
[06:44] <pvd2006>  sudo cat /proc/asound/modules returns " sudo cat /proc/asound/modules"
[06:44] <pvd2006> whoops
[06:45] <pvd2006>  sudo cat /proc/asound/modules returns "0 snd_emu10k1"
[06:46] <pvd2006>  sudo cat /proc/asound/pcm returns the right info
[06:47] <RAOF> ALSA is notoriously finiky.  If you haven't already, check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems .  Also, ALSA bugzilla can be a fertile hunting ground.
[06:50] <pvd2006> thanks
[06:50] <pvd2006> btw, is there suppose to be a standard volume control in xubuntu gutsy gibson?
[06:50] <pvd2006> i dont see one
[06:50] <pvd2006> I had to install alsamixer gui
[06:51] <RAOF> Dunno, I use Ubuntu.
[06:56] <riotkittie> stupid commaa. arr.
[06:57] <riotkittie> yay. i have sound.
[07:01] <DanaG> Odd: my Human metacity theme is different from the one on the LiveCD.
[07:08] <riotkittie> different how?
[07:09] <DanaG> The liveCD one is slimmer, and looks less like (the old-new) Clearlooks.
[07:10] <riotkittie> ah. i didnt even notice that.
[07:26] <ChasingVertigo> I''m using Gutsy Tribe 5 with nvidia-glx-new (via  "Restricted Drivers"), after the initial reboot my screen goes black and the lights on my monitor flash (Its error message, like when I change the resolution to something it can't cope with in windows), but the refresh rate seems okay - is there something I'm missing?
[07:51] <skinnypuppy> Could someone post the link where to download gutsy tribe?
[07:52] <RAOF> https://iso.qa.stgraber.org
[08:11] <kurros> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com
[08:12] <jd20> Does anyone know where I'd find the latest version of the Beta for Gutsy that would include dmcrypt formatting upon install?
[08:13] <RAOF> https://iso.qa.stgraber.org
[08:14] <DanaG> Argh, the Tangerine icons for "Computer" are now brown!
[08:14] <jd20> Thanks RAOF!
[08:14] <DanaG> Since when are tangerines brown?
[08:15] <RAOF> Since they went off.
[08:17] <masterloki> yeah.......
[08:17] <masterloki> i just deleted 3.8GB of logs
[08:17] <masterloki> couldnt even read em b/c they were too long... dmesg | tail gave a lot of vfs errors about inodes being busy... is this common right now or something?
[08:18] <ArmedKing> Anyone having problems with amsn after update to Gutsy. When i start amsn i get the message " loading TkCximage failed. This module is needed to run aMSN. Pleasy compile aMSN first, instructions on how to compile are located in the file INSTALL"
[08:31] <riotkittie> sweet. loading multiple pages in firefox tends to kill my wireless connection randomly.
[08:47] <jscinoz> Hey guys, im having a problem with the 100.14.19 nvidia drivers, they work fine just after i install them, but after a reboot X fails to start, stating that /lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko is missing, any ideas? this problem occurs both with the drivers installed from synaptic, and from Nvidia's binary package.
[08:48] <RAOF> jscinoz: Got nvidia-glx-new installed, and linux-restricted-modules-generic?  Anything in /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules ?
[08:49] <jscinoz> RAOF< yes to the first two, i dont have that restrictd-modules file, only "linux-restricted-modules-common" which shows no disabled modules
[08:51] <RAOF> jscinoz: Ok.  If you run "sudo /etc/init.d/linux-restricted-modules-common start", does it then work?
[08:52] <jscinoz> the command ran successfully, no idea if it changed anything, the problem occurs on reboot
[08:52] <jscinoz> ill be back in a few mins after reboot
[08:53] <DanaG> Oh yeah, is it possible to bind samba to only one interface?
[08:55] <jd20> RAOF:  Does the current implementation of dm-crypt via installer give complete encryption for everything but /boot?
[08:55] <kurros> DanaG interfaces option in  /etc/smb.conf
[08:55] <RAOF> jd20: Depends on what you select.
[08:56] <jd20> So it's capable?
[08:56] <RAOF> Yes.
[08:57] <RAOF> I set up /boot + a crypted partiton, then LVM on that crypt partition.
[08:57] <RAOF> You can do whatever you want, though.
[08:58] <jd20> Sounds like I'm going to have lots of fun testing.  This is neat!
[09:06] <jscinoz> RAOF, now it states API and module version mismatch
[09:06] <RAOF> Yay!  Progress!
[09:06] <jscinoz> >_<
[09:06] <jscinoz> im typing this from bitchx >_<
[09:06] <jscinoz> anyways
[09:06] <jscinoz> what should i try now?
[09:06] <RAOF> Hm.  Do you have a /lib/linux-restricted-modules/.nvidia-new-installed file?
[09:07] <jscinoz> yesh
[09:07] <jscinoz> nuke it?
[09:07] <RAOF> jscinoz: Depends.  Are you trying to use nvidia-glx-new?
[09:07] <jscinoz> yes
[09:08] <RAOF> So, that should probably be there then :)
[09:08] <jscinoz> :P
[09:08] <jscinoz> ugh, tty1 crashed
[09:08] <jscinoz> so what should i do next about nvidia
[09:09] <RAOF> Um... I'm not sure.
[09:09] <jscinoz> >_<
[09:10] <RAOF> :(
[09:10] <jscinoz> -_-
[09:10] <Gutsy> what's the current tribe version? I'm running a partial update on a clean tribe6 I downloaded a few weeks or a month ago
[09:11] <jscinoz> 6 i think
[09:11] <jscinoz> RAOF, i tried purging nvidia-glx-new and reinstalling, same error
[09:11] <jscinoz> api-module mismatch
[09:12] <DanaG> Cool, thanks, kurros.  I read it just now.
[09:12] <RAOF> jscinoz: Man, I don't know how people manage to mess up the nvidia drivers so badly :(
[09:13] <jscinoz> i didnt even mess with it that much
[09:13] <jscinoz> all i did was reinstall from apt-get
[09:14] <jscinoz> >_<
[09:14] <Gutsy> I installed compiz manager in synaptic, what do you do to run it?
[09:16] <RAOF> System->Preferences->Advanced Desktop Effects
[09:17] <jscinoz> Gutsy, if you can find a deb of it, i highly recommend fusion-icon
[09:17] <jscinoz> i had a deb of it but i lost it >_<
[09:17] <jscinoz> fusion-icon isn't in the repos but it darn well should be
[09:18] <RAOF> Eh.
[09:18] <RAOF> Really?
[09:18] <jscinoz> yesh
[09:18] <jscinoz> IMO best application for managing compiz
[09:19] <jscinoz> just have it in your session startup, it'll automatically bring up compiz and emerald
[09:19] <RAOF> Possibly.  But I just want compiz to *run*.
[09:19] <RAOF> jscinoz: You know what?  That's the default behaviour :)
[09:19] <jscinoz> and allows configuring command line options such as loosebinding and indirectrendering from a tray icon
[09:19] <jscinoz> :P
[09:19] <Gutsy> I don't see fusion-icon in gutsy's default repo's
[09:19] <jscinoz> RAOF, without it, didnt wor kfor me
[09:19] <jscinoz> Gutsy, i dont think its there, but a quick google for "fusion-icon deb" should show up something
[09:20] <RAOF> jscinoz: It's changed recently.  But if you've got emerald installed, it'll run emerald (ugh).
[09:20] <jscinoz> oh well
[09:20] <jscinoz> i still love fusion-icon
[09:20] <jscinoz> easy acess to ccsm and emerald-theme-manger
[09:20] <jscinoz> and other settings
[09:20] <RAOF> A lot of people do, I'm just not sure why.
[09:20] <jscinoz> and fast windowmanager/decorater switching
[09:20] <Gutsy> nor is there an advanced desktop effects in system pref...
[09:21] <jscinoz> Gutsy, go to system>pref>Appearance
[09:21] <jscinoz> compiz stuff should be under far right tab
[09:21] <RAOF> Gutsy: Have you installed compizconfig-settings-manager?
[09:21] <jscinoz> RAOF, i think i found the solution to my nvidia-problems, my kernel is out of date, it seems the nvidia-glx-new in the repos is for the current version, not the older one i have :P
[09:21] <Gutsy> I'll double check raof
[09:21] <RAOF> jscinoz: Heh.
[09:22] <jscinoz> going to reboot in a sec and see how it goes
[09:22] <RAOF> jscinoz: You see, I don't *want* to switch window manager or decorator.  I want compiz to run all the time, and pick up my Gnome themes :)
[09:23] <jscinoz> i do most of the time too, but fusion-icon is good to have :P
[09:23] <jscinoz> blast Australia's shite internet.
[09:23] <jscinoz> only country that still has stupid bandwidth limits on home broadband >_<
[09:24] <jscinoz> i have that too
[09:24] <jscinoz> but 60gb a month is too little
[09:24] <Gutsy> RAOF , no  compizconfig-settings-manager wasn't installed but I have now.
[09:24] <jscinoz> I'd settle for 1.5mbps no data limit
[09:24] <jscinoz> be right back, rebooting
[09:29] <jscinoz> yep that did the trick
[09:29] <jscinoz> ^_^
[09:29] <jscinoz> and it seems to have kickstarted apport aswell
[09:29] <jscinoz> and it seems to have kickstarted apport aswell, getting hundreds of crash reports from ages ago
[09:29] <RAOF> Wooo!
[09:30] <DanaG> Hmm, I don't have apport working at all.
[09:30] <jscinoz> wow the apport dialogs just keep coming
[09:30] <jscinoz> counted 20+ sofar
[09:30] <jscinoz> yay all gone, 37 in total :)
[09:31] <jscinoz> only problem i still have with ubuntu is a buggy Azureus
[09:31] <jscinoz> darn thing crashes if  i double click a torrent to see more info
[09:31] <RAOF> I tried to update that package earlier.  Dear lord, it's crazy.
[09:32] <jscinoz> azureus? or apport?
[09:32] <RAOF> azureus
[09:32] <jscinoz> do you get the same bug as i'm getting?
[09:32] <jscinoz> crashing on bringing up a torrents info via double-click or any other means
[09:32] <RAOF> No, I don't use azureus.  I use deluge, when I'm torrenting.
[09:33] <jscinoz> <-- Java fanboy
[09:33] <jscinoz> If its java its awesome
[09:33] <jscinoz> :P
[09:33] <jscinoz> Pity java is so darn slow
[09:34] <RAOF> And ridiculously static.
[09:34] <RAOF> Urgh.  Give me some good strong, dynamic typing anyday.
[09:34] <nanonyme> static?
[09:34] <RAOF> nanonyme: Static typing sucks.
[09:34] <RAOF> Especially when your generics system sucks too.
[09:35] <nanonyme> hmm...
[09:35] <jscinoz> Ever tried a java game called Wurm Online? it uses JOGL. and god is it slow, 10-20fps on a $4000AUD gaming laptop that gets 100+ in most other games
[09:35] <RAOF> Basically, web browsers should just embed a python interpreter :P
[09:36] <jscinoz> :P
[09:36] <jscinoz> RAOF do you live in Aus?
[09:36] <RAOF> Yes.
[09:36] <jscinoz> Got Halo 3 yet?
[09:36] <RAOF> Sydney
[09:36] <jscinoz> Same here
[09:36] <RAOF> No.  Don't even have a 360
[09:36] <jscinoz> aww
[09:37] <jscinoz> I have all 3 7th gen consoles
[09:37] <jscinoz> Wii > 360 > PS3 imo
[09:37] <RAOF> The wii is pretty cool.
[09:39] <daengbo> anyone having trouble with rt2500 wireless?
[09:40] <jscinoz> Laptop with HDMI + tremulous + wiimote + 60" plasma = win
[09:40] <daengbo> It's not recognized
[09:40] <jscinoz> aww, lxdoom doesnt work with compiz
[09:41] <daengbo> Module inserts properly
[09:41] <daengbo> but nothing shows on ifconfig
[09:44] <jscinoz> Anyone remember what that program was that lets you have your screensaver as your desktop background?
[09:45] <RAOF> xwinwrap
[09:46] <jscinoz> cheers
[09:47] <jscinoz> ugh
[09:47] <jscinoz> that isnt in repos
[09:47] <jscinoz> time to find source
[09:47] <RAOF> True.
[09:47] <RAOF> Feel free to package it up :)
[09:48] <jscinoz> will do
[09:48] <jscinoz> I gotta find somewhere to host all the packages i've made with EPM
[09:48] <RAOF> ppa.launchpad.net?
[09:50] <jscinoz> found a deb of xwinwrap
[09:50] <jscinoz> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=44342&d=1190677306
[09:54] <databuddy> hey i noticed that when i use aumix +100 it doesnt actually change volume.... any reason for this?
[09:54] <databuddy> it worked in feisty...
[10:01] <jscinoz> gah xwinwrap hates me
[10:05] <cypherdelic> hehe poking around with xwinwrap settings, takes a evening :)
[11:30] <unggnu> Somebody here with intel graphic card and working suspend?
[11:32] <CV> After running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" on t5 my sound card doesn't work, is this a known issue?
[11:38] <unggnu> CV, I guess xserver-xorg has nothing to do with sound.
[11:45] <benh> I don't know how "useful" are those tracked & strigi-daemon things that gutsy comes with
[11:45] <benh> but they've been totally DOS'ing by brand new core2 duo
[11:45] <benh> all day
[11:45] <benh> until I finally managed to kill them
[11:45] <benh> they render the box totally unuseable
[11:45] <_dan_> hello, is there currently an issue with wireless in gutsy?
[11:46] <Xero> trackerd=good. strigi-daemon=i don't know what that is
[11:46] <cypherdelic> can somebody msg me???
[11:46] <benh> Xero: good ? how so ?
[11:46] <savvas> hm, they still don't have flash for 64 bit
[11:47] <benh> those things have been flooding the machine with disk accesses to a point that it's been totally unuseable most of the day
[11:47] <Xero> benh, it's a desktop search, like Google Desktop, Spotlight, or anything else.
[11:47] <benh> and it's a brand new machine
[11:47] <Xero> It indexes while the CPU is idle.
[11:47] <Eq|work> Xero : so it's like the windows indexing service
[11:47] <benh> hrm that doesn't quite work
[11:47] <Eq|work> thus absolutely useless for many, many peopl
[11:47] <Eq|work> +e
[11:47] <Xero> Eq|work, yes.
[11:47] <wabiD> why does update manager need to update itself every day
[11:47] <Eq|work> (myself included)
[11:47] <benh> because the disk accesses will screw everything up, idle or not idle
[11:47] <Eq|work> i'll stick to updatedb & locate thanks
[11:47] <benh> especially on a dual core machine where one cpu is likely to be idle anyway
[11:47] <Eq|work> benh : fairly sure it isn't normal for it to thrash the disk
[11:48] <Xero> benh, lol wfm (this means it's your problem)
[11:48] <benh> my problem
[11:48] <benh> hrm
[11:48] <benh> so you install a distro and get a unuseable machine for 2 days or whatever
[11:48] <benh> and it's my problem ?
[11:48] <benh> I think it's just POS software :-)
[11:48] <Eq|work> Xero : no, it means that the problem doesn't happen for you
[11:48] <Eq|work> doesn't mean it's specific to benh
[11:48] <benh> hehe
[11:49] <benh> well, I think the problem is that it doesn't deal well with being given suddenly a home dir with a few dozen GB of data on it
[11:49] <Eq|work> benh : i'd try and remove the packages for them.. after checking what they are.
[11:49] <Xero> benh, try this: sudo apt-get remove trackerd strigi-daemon
[11:49] <benh> it starts scrubbing like hell
[11:49] <Eq|work> shouldn't be an issue tbh
[11:49] <benh> if you also have lots of RAM, it probably blows the page & inode cache out of proportion
[11:49] <Eq|work> if it is, then the software is badly written
[11:49] <benh> I'm not sure how it manage to cause so bad IO starvation though, might well be a kernel IO scheduler issue
[11:49] <benh> but it's pretty bad
[11:49] <Xero> I don't know what Strigi is, but you shouldn't need 2 search daemons anyway.
[11:50] <benh> "normal" IOs (such as launching an app) get delayed up to 20 seconds or more
[11:50] <Eq|work> what was the load average after you killed them?
[11:50] <Xero> Oh well, that's why Gutsy is unstable.
[11:50] <benh> Xero: both seem to come with ubuntu desktop
[11:50] <benh> hehe
[11:50] <Xero> Speaking of such, I need to restart XChat. It's beeping like hell
[11:50] <benh> load avergage is fine, it's IO load which is an issue
[11:50] <benh> it might well be that they trigger a pathological case in the kernel IO scheduler tho
[11:52] <Eq|work> benh : using kubuntu?
[11:52] <Xero> benh, as I said, you shouldn't need 2 search daemons, and neither should anyone else. Uninstall one or both and see how it is after your next reboot, if you do that kinda thing
[11:52] <benh> Eq|work: now that you mention it ... I switched to a KDE session and it got worse
[11:52] <benh> Eq|work: I was on gnome earlier and it was more useable
[11:52] <Eq|work> strigi-daemon is, from the looks of thing, usually used by kde
[11:52] <benh> Xero: no need ot reboot, I can kill them just fine :-)
[11:52] <Xero> benh, XD
[11:53] <Eq|work> benh : an interesting test: start one of them (from the hopefully present init scripts), and see what happens.. monitor the process
[11:53] <benh> It's unclear to me which one is killing the box or if it's just the fact of having both
[11:53] <benh> well, monitoring the process is hard, it's generating millions of IOs
[11:53] <Xero> benh, I would say it's because you have both.
[11:53] <Eq|work> can top show io load?
[11:53] <benh> trackerd alone seems to be putting the box on its knees tho
[11:54] <benh> not in a useful manner
[11:54] <Xero> They ( i think) are scanning each other's cache and going insane over it
[11:54] <benh> I remember jens axboe did something for that, I need to dig
[11:54] <Eq|work> Xero : much the same as my theory
[11:54] <benh> Xero: well, situation was still bad with just trackerd alone...
[11:54] <Eq|work> benh : they're both daemons
[11:54] <Eq|work> they'd have likely been started at boot..
[11:55] <Xero> benh: Well, then I have no idea. Tracker runs fine here, but as Eq|work said that doesn't help you.
[11:55] <benh> they seem to be quite tied to the session, I'd say they are started at login time but I haven't checked
[11:55] <benh> hrm, could be a setting
[11:55] <benh> trackerd seems to be configured for fastest indexing and max memory usage
[11:56] <Xero> benh, mine is, too, but I have no problems.
[11:56] <Xero> Maybe I'm just used to a slow system. I don't know.
[11:56] <benh> nah, things got really unuseable
[11:56] <benh> slow at first and then degenerated
[11:56] <benh> strange that you don't see it ...
[11:57] <benh> maybe it gets better once it's indexed all the shit there
[11:57] <benh> there's lots of files... kernel git trees among others
[11:57] <Xero> Maybe. Leave it up all night and check.
[11:57] <Xero> Turn the settings down a bit, too. Mine was at "Faster" on the bar and low mem usage
[11:57] <benh> yup
[11:58] <Xero> This is worse than a few Windows problems I've heard of. Broken X is easy to fix. This kind of isn't.
[11:58] <Eq|work> benh : tbh you probably don't actually want an indexing thing
[11:58] <zerwas> hello
[11:58] <Eq|work> i know i don't :P
[11:58] <benh> Eq|work: indeed
[11:58] <Eq|work> locate + updatedb is all i need
[11:58] <benh> or maybe one that I strictly limit to my ~/docs dir
[11:59] <benh> which contains all sort of HW docos
[11:59] <benh> PDFs mostly
[11:59] <zerwas> i activated the nvidia-driver. now, xorg.conf contains the line "nvidia" at "driver" but it still isn't used. Has anybody an idea what the heck is going on?
[11:59] <benh> thing is
[11:59] <Xero> benh, 'sudo apt-get remove trackerd strigi-daemon' in that case
[11:59] <benh> I can always fix -my- problems
[11:59] <Eq|work> and i can wait the ~5 mins for updatedb to run if it's out of date..
[11:59] <benh> I was just worried that might give other more lusers a bad experience with gutsy update
[11:59] <_dan_> zerwas apt-get remove --purge the nvidia drivers and reinstall only nvidia-glx-new
[11:59] <_dan_> i had the same issue
[12:00] <zerwas> _dan_, i am using the legacy drivers
[12:00] <_dan_> oh
[12:00] <_dan_> dunno then :/
[12:00] <Eq|work> zerwas : is your card only supported by legacy?
[12:00] <zerwas> Eq|work, i think so
[12:00] <benh> Xero: sure, as I said, my problem is mostly irrelevant, it's more like it might bite real users (I don't consider myself one, really :-)
[12:00] <Eq|work> what card is it zerwas ?
[12:00] <benh> heh, there's some very weird transcient pixel corruption when typing in Konversation edit box
[12:00] <zerwas> the first time it worked. but only with 800x600.
[12:00] <zerwas> Eq|work, it is an RIVA TNT2
[12:00] <benh> at the intersection of the latest typed letter and the blinking cursor
[12:00] <Eq|work> holy hell
[12:01] <benh> it's actually the blinking cursor that doesn't refresh very well... looks to me like a gfx driver cache flush bug
[12:01] <zerwas> what? :-o
[12:01] <Eq|work> isn't there an open-source driver that works perfectly with those now?
[12:01] <zerwas> Eq|work, no :-(
[12:01] <zerwas> Eq|work, only nv exists (or vesa...)
[12:01] <benh> Eq|work: not really... probably along the same lines as "nv"
[12:01] <Eq|work> thought nv was pretty good on the ancient cards like that.
[12:01] <benh> though utah-glx might give 3d on these
[12:02] <benh> neither good nor bad... nv is good at accelerating stuff nobody cares about :-)
[12:02] <Eq|work> tbh you're not going to get much in the way of 3d performance on a card that old regardless.
[12:02] <benh> such as polygons
[12:02] <benh> it's probably fast with xtank :-)
[12:02] <Eq|work> benh : yeah well that fits with the tnt2 cards :P
[12:02] <Xero> polyhedra > polygons.
[12:02] <Xero> especially in the case of the Compiz Cube
[12:03] <Eq|work> zerwas : purge all the nvidia packages, then install the legacy glx package.
[12:03] <benh> yeah well, I'm not even talking about 3d :-)
[12:03] <zerwas> i am *sure* that compiz works without problems
[12:03] <Eq|work> essentially start from scratch
[12:03] <zerwas> Eq|work, thank you, i will try that
[12:03] <savvas> is anyone using amd64 tribe 5 and flash works?
[12:04] <Eq|work> savvas : you need the plugin wrapper thing
[12:04] <savvas> I mean out of the box
[12:04] <savvas> ah
[12:04] <Eq|work> nspluginwrapper
[12:04] <savvas> then i guess what they say here doesn't apply: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe5
[12:04] <Eq|work> read up on that.
[12:05] <zerwas> Eq|work, apt-get wants to remove linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-12-generic and linux-generic also, if i am trying to purge all nvidia-packages...
[12:05] <Eq|work> savvas : some does, some doesn't.
[12:05] <Eq|work> it's not a ubuntu issue
[12:06] <Eq|work> adobe are at fault for not releasing a 64bit version :P
[12:06] <Eq|work> zerwas : check the restricted manager to see if anything else on your system is using a restricted module.
[12:06] <zerwas> Eq|work, it isn't
[12:07] <Eq|work> then that's fine
[12:07] <Eq|work> you should reinstall them after, but it doesn't matter right now
[12:07] <zerwas> alright
[12:07] <Eq|work> (ie after you install the legacy glx package)
[12:07] <_dan_> why does my wireless card not work anymore on gutsy? :O
[12:08] <zerwas> _dan_, which card?
[12:08] <_dan_> zerwas hmm i got a sony vaio, with builtin centrino card thingie
[12:08] <Eq|work> we kinda need to know a bit more than that
[12:08] <_dan_> worked out of the box with last two ubuntu releases, with gutsy too but stopped some days ago
[12:08] <jscinoz> Is it possible to get xwinwrap to render below desktop icons so i dont need opacity? and still have my icons
[12:08] <_dan_> lemme boot up laptop
[12:08] <Eq|work> what does lspci say for it?
[12:10] <_dan_> ok ehre we go
[12:10] <_dan_> its a intel pro/wireless 2200BG
[12:11] <_dan_> dmesg detects the card right but fails to load
[12:11] <_dan_> sec ill pastebin it
[12:12] <_dan_> http://pastebin.org/3388
[12:15] <unggnu> _dan_, Does suspend work?
[12:16] <savvas> thanks Eq|work, the nspluginwrapper worked
[12:16] <unggnu> _dan_, please post uname -a
[12:16] <unggnu> _dan_, or better uname -r
[12:17] <_dan_> 2.6.22-12-386
[12:17] <_dan_> suspend uhm yeah worked last time letme try now
[12:17] <unggnu> _dan_, This is your problem. You have upgraded a kept back package
[12:17] <unggnu> _dan_, the 12 kernel misses some packages
[12:18] <_dan_> suspend works like a charm
[12:18] <unggnu> Boot the 11 and your wlan should working again
[12:18] <unggnu> _dan_, Intel card? :)
[12:18] <_dan_> oki thx letma try
[12:18] <_dan_> yes intel card
[12:18] <unggnu> You could check something for me :)
[12:18] <_dan_> same on the -generic kernel?
[12:19] <_dan_> no idea why i got the 386 installed usually i got the -generic one
[12:19] <unggnu> _dan_, you should install the generic especially if you have a dual core
[12:19] <unggnu> _dan_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/136380
[12:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136380 in acpi-support "[Gutsy]  sonybright.sh doesn't use the correct value range" [Undecided,New] 
[12:19] <zerwas> Houston we have a problem
[12:19] <unggnu> This one is importan for sony laptops.
[12:19] <_dan_> its single core, i go genereic installed just not dfaulted as it seems, it was defaulted normally
[12:20] <unggnu> _dan_, if generic works remove 386
[12:20] <jscinoz> Is it possible to get xwinwrap to render the screensaver/video under the desktop icons rather than above them?
[12:20] <zerwas> Eq|work, thanks for your help. i see the nvidia splash at the beginning now, but: glxgears gives me: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[12:20] <_dan_> unggnu ok so boote dthe 11 lets see
[12:21] <_dan_> uh -11 works with wireless thx
[12:21] <_dan_> what do u need me to check?
[12:21] <_dan_> btw sony vaio special keys dont work, only if i install a patched module
[12:21] <_dan_> but thats another thing
[12:21] <_dan_> ;)
[12:22] <savvas> Eq|work: can I use nspluginwrapper for java?
[12:22] <unggnu> _dan_, brightness doesn't work out of the box?
[12:22] <_dan_> well
[12:23] <unggnu> _dan_, could you please check this https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/141063
[12:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141063 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "new Intel driver freezes system on video play after suspend" [Undecided,New] 
[12:23] <_dan_> i reoved the sony_acpi module and substituted it with a patch modul but the gnome brightness stuff, powermanager and applet does work now
[12:23] <unggnu> _dan_, you don't need to replace sony_acpi
[12:23] <_dan_> unggnu i got nvidia card
[12:23] <unggnu> it is deprecated and sony-laptop is used in favor
[12:23] <_dan_> unggnu i do, otherwise special keys dont work on my keyboard
[12:23] <unggnu> _dan_, damn :)
[12:24] <_dan_> but i can try it
[12:24] <unggnu> _dan_, doesn't help, it is an intel problem afaik
[12:24] <_dan_> i mean the sony-laptop
[12:24] <_dan_> for special keys
[12:25] <unggnu> _dan_, it should be automatically loaded since Gutsy
[12:25] <_dan_> gutsy loads the sony_acpi module
[12:25] <unggnu> _dan_, not for me
[12:25] <unggnu> _dan_, maybe because of your patched kernel
[12:25] <_dan_> its only a patched module
[12:25] <_dan_> its the same module gutsy loads just with a patch
[12:26] <_dan_> sec rebooting to generic kernel
[12:26] <_dan_> -12
[12:26] <_dan_> oooh
[12:26] <_dan_> it doenst load the sony_acpi anymore, it did one week ago
[12:26] <unggnu> _dan_, :)
[12:26] <_dan_> lets see
[12:26] <unggnu> _dan_, don't use the -12 kernel
[12:27] <_dan_> ok
[12:27] <_dan_> booting -11
[12:27] <unggnu> until the dependencies are installed. I guess there is a reason why apt-get kept it back.
[12:27] <_dan_> didnt keep it back
[12:27] <_dan_> at least not the update-manager
[12:27] <unggnu> _dan_, not with dist-upgrade
[12:27] <_dan_> anyway booting
[12:28] <unggnu> _dan_, my update manager kept it back too. :)
[12:28] <_dan_> the -11 kernl doesnt load sony_laptop tho
[12:30] <_dan_> which package contains the sony_laptop thing so i can reinstall it
[12:30] <Do``> hey could someone help me with a compiz issue?
[12:31] <unggnu> _dan_, maybe your sony laptop is new
[12:31] <unggnu> Do``, ask
[12:31] <Do``> i just tried it, enabled it in the appearance window
[12:31] <Do``> and when the new windows appear, they have no window frames
[12:31] <_dan_> unggnu its old
[12:31] <Do``> and i dont have any keyboard shortcuts (that i set in gnome)
[12:32] <_dan_> unggnu which packet hols the sony_laptop module?
[12:32] <unggnu> _dan_, linux-image and linux-source
[12:32] <unggnu> it is build in
[12:32] <unggnu> _dan_, maybe you should post your data
[12:33] <_dan_> na i messed with the patched module in that kernel
[12:33] <unggnu> _dan_, there is a thread in ubuntu forum of tj
[12:33] <_dan_> i need to reinstall it ;)
[12:33] <unggnu> _dan_, sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic
[12:34] <unggnu> _dan_, + --reinstal
[12:34] <_dan_> --reinstall
[12:34] <unggnu> +l
[12:34] <_dan_> i know thx
[12:34] <unggnu> :)
[12:34] <_dan_> was debian user for 3 years ;)
[12:35] <unggnu> :)
[12:35] <Eq|work> lol
[12:36] <Eq|work> dammit
[12:36] <Eq|work> wrong window.. sorry folks :P
[12:36] <_dan_> it says the -11 package cant be downloaded wtf :O
[12:36] <dns_56> is unbreakable x implemented yet?
[12:37] <_dan_> dns_56 some medicore version of it which annoyes the hell out of me :P
[12:37] <_dan_> unggnu any idea why apt complains about not being able to download it?
[12:38] <unggnu> _dan_, inet doesn't work?
[12:38] <Do``> so could someone help me get window borders/frames with enabled desktop effects?
[12:38] <_dan_> it does :O
[12:38] <Eq|work> _dan_ : sudo apt-get update
[12:38] <_dan_> already did
[12:40] <_dan_> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[12:40] <unggnu> _dan_, maybe 11 isn't anymore saved on server
[12:40] <_dan_> guess so
[12:40] <unggnu> would be weird because 12 isn't ready for release but don't know
[12:40] <_dan_> but to lazy to check packages.ubuntu.com eheh
[12:40] <_dan_> but i can chec the special key thing with -12 too
[12:41] <_dan_> 11 isnt on server anymore ur right
[12:41] <_dan_> did take a look at package site now ;)
[12:44] <_dan_> ok so
[12:44] <_dan_> the brightness apllet works now out of the box
[12:44] <_dan_> which is great
[12:44] <_dan_> but the special keys on my sony vaio keyboard dont work
[12:50] <_dan_> hmm
[12:50] <_dan_> now nvidia isnt working either :O
[12:50] <chrisboyle> Does anyone know of any changes since Friday that could've caused me to start seeing something like bug #139313? (gnome etc never recognising xinerama info, even though gdm is)
[12:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139313 in ubuntu "nvidia dual head twinview (pseudo-xinerama): gnome-panel and maximized windows span both heads on first login" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139313
[12:51] <chrisboyle> Unlike that report, mine isn't fixed by logging out/in nor by rebooting.
[12:51] <_dan_> fatal: error running install command for nvidia
[12:51] <_dan_> i swear it workd 1 hour ago
[12:51] <RAOF> chrisboyle: Do you have xserver-xgl installed?
[12:51] <chrisboyle> Yep.
[12:52] <chrisboyle> 1:1.1.99.1~git20070727-0ubuntu3
[12:52] <RAOF> chrisboyle: Does disabling Xgl fix it?  (Create a file ~/.config/xserver-xgl/disable)
[12:52] <Xero> _dan_, are you using a -lowlatency kernel?
[12:53] <_dan_> no but
[12:53] <chrisboyle> RAOF: Be right back, finding out. :-)
[12:53] <_dan_> now i know why i got 386 kernel installed all of a sudden
[12:53] <Xero> _dan_, what does 'uname -a' say?
[12:53] <_dan_> no nvidia module for generic yet
[12:53] <_dan_> now it makes sense hehe
[12:54] <_dan_> now i know why -glx-new was dependent on -386 kernel ;)
[12:54] <chrisboyle> RAOF: Yes. Thanks. :-)
[12:55] <RAOF> chrisboyle: Gah.  I *pass* +xinerama to Xgl, what more does it want?!
[12:56] <RAOF> chrisboyle: Want to file a bug saying that Xgl breaks Xinerama?
[12:56] <zerwas> How can i see which xorg.conf  file is used at the moment?
[12:59] <Nukeador> Anyone knows what is the status of the open source ati driver for R500 cards? (I mean the "ati" driver)
[01:01] <chrisboyle> RAOF: Hmm. I'm actually really confused here: I do still have desktop effects; I thought Xgl was needed for that? I'm on nVidia (with TwinView), and my .xsession-errors mentions checking for nvidia as well as checking for Xgl; does all this mean it's using some nvidia-specific magic instead now?
[01:02] <soc> hi
[01:02] <soc> i have a laptop
[01:02] <Eq|work> chrisboyle : no, xgl is only for ati
[01:02] <Eq|work> nvidia uses aiglx
[01:02] <Eq|work> (ati is implementing support for that atm)
[01:02] <soc> i just wonder if it is right, that the cpu frequency is lowered even it is plugged into the wall?
[01:02] <soc> it's weird
[01:02] <RAOF> chrisboyle: Yes; The nvidia driver implements the various features that Compiz requires.
[01:03] <chrisboyle> Hmm. So why, with an nvidia driver, was it using Xgl? Or if it wasn't, why did disabling Xgl matter?
[01:03] <soc> even if there _is_ work for sure (e. g. compiling kde4) it almost never uses a higher frequency ...
[01:03] <soc> additionally the laptop crashes if i close the lid
[01:04] <soc> i have to use the magic sysrq or hard reboot
[01:04] <RAOF> chrisboyle: Because it's still useful - it (among other things) fixes resume-from-suspend for me.
[01:05] <Eq|work> chrisboyle : they conflict.
[01:05] <jgm> I'm having trouble using the nvidia driver in X (this is the nvidia-glx-new package), when I attempt to use it I get an error in the X log saying that it failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module and it gives up, any ideas?
[01:12] <dns_56> jgm: try updateing i had problems with 2.6.22-11-generic on amd64
[01:13] <zerwas> i have a little problem..X is using the nvidia driver but GLX doesn't work (so nothing with 3D works). Has anybody an idea how to check where the problem is?
[01:14] <dns_56> nvidia drivers or the nv (2d) drivers?
[01:15] <dns_56> did you install the restricted drivers?
[01:15] <zerwas> nvidia drivers
[01:15] <zerwas> dns_56, yes i did
[01:15] <zerwas> i also the see nvidia splash before gdm starts
[01:16] <dns_56> try using the nvidia-xconfig tool to edit your x config
[01:17] <jgm> dns_56: I've updated to the latest, still getting the same problem
[01:17] <zerwas> it's in the package "nvidia-settings" i assume
[01:17] <dns_56> i think with the restricted drivers, not sure
[01:18] <zerwas> i don't have such a tool. only nvidia-glx-config after installing "nvidia-settings"
[01:19] <zerwas> but i have "driver" "nvidia" in my xorg.conf if you want to say that
[01:19] <jgm> Which package provides the nvidia module?
[01:19] <zerwas> jgm, nvidia-glx-new, or, if you have an older card: nvidia-glx-legacy
[01:19] <zerwas> you will also need nvidia-kernel-common
[01:20] <jgm> Okay I have them but then get a 'failed to load the nvidia kernel module' when I do a startx
[01:20] <zerwas> jgm, did you use the restricted drivers GUI?
[01:20] <jgm> Nope I can't start X
[01:21] <jgm> One other thing, `uname -r` gives me 2.6.22-12-generic
[01:21] <jgm> Should that be generic or arch-specific?
[01:21] <dns_56> generic is family ie i386 or 64 bit
[01:22] <dns_56> ie does not have as many specific thins such as for amd or intel chipsets
[01:22] <jgm> Is there a better kernel for my CPU (Intel quad-core)?
[01:23] <jgm> Attempting to 'modprobe nvidia' gives me an error 'FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia', does that help?
[01:23] <void^> no.
[01:23] <_dan_> jgm letme gues 2.6.22-12-generic kernel?
[01:24] <_dan_> no nvidia module for it yet u need to use -386 (i think) so nvidia works
[01:24] <_dan_> only a matter of days i think tho
[01:25] <dns_56> use generic, it supports single and smp i think, 386 is only single core but i might be wrong
[01:25] <_dan_> true but
[01:25] <jgm> _dan_: okay thanks.  Think I'll wait for th emodule update
[01:25] <_dan_> no nvidia for that yet
[01:25] <dennda> hi. i have gutsy with latest updates. why does the gnome-preferences-menu in some of my folders not show the pie-chart showing the free space left?
[01:26] <dennda> (ignore the "in some of my folders". i havn't seen it at all, yet)
[01:26] <dns_56> i think it is only on root folders of the partition
[01:27] <dns_56> the release notes do say it is not yet fully working
[01:27] <dennda> ah. i have an extra /home partition, but even there: no pie-chart
[01:27] <zerwas> ok now i know why i don't have GLX support: "(EE) GLX is not supported with the Composite extension"
[01:28] <zerwas> how can i deactivate Composite?
[01:28] <dennda> zerwas: check your xorg.conf
[01:28] <zerwas> dennda: no word of Composite in there
[01:29] <dns_56> hmm it works with /sda (windows) and / but not /home
[01:29] <zerwas> dennda: what's the line i should look for?
[01:30] <dennda> zerwas: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Xfce_Composite-Effekte?highlight=%28composite%29 <- check the second grey box
[01:31] <zerwas> dennda: as i said, in my xorg.conf there is no word about Composite
[01:31] <dennda> well, you asked for the line to look for
[01:31] <zerwas> or do you want to say that i should write Option  "Composite" "Disable"?
[01:31] <dennda> zerwas: i would give that a try, yes. i don't expect anything to explode, so just try it :] 
[01:31] <dns_56> dissable should be the default but you could do that too
[01:32] <dennda> (i guess you are familiar with command-line textfile editing)
[01:32] <zerwas> ok i'll try thank you for your help! :)
[01:44] <zerwas> got nvidia + glx working now with a correct xorg.conf
[01:46] <zerwas> but compiz doesn't work: "Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present."
[01:48] <stdin> I thought nvidia uses aiglx, not xgl
[01:49] <dns_56> did you enable it in xorg.conf?
[01:49] <zerwas> also thought that...
[01:49] <zerwas> dns_56, enable what?
[01:50] <dns_56> in the screen section i have Option         "AllowGLXWithComposite" "True"   and    Option         "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"
[01:51] <zerwas> hm ok i have read about this option..
[01:51] <zerwas> will be back in a second
[01:51] <dns_56> run nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals,
[01:51] <zerwas> i tried, but it says: "Invalid commandline"
[01:52] <zerwas> i think adding the option to xorg.conf is the same...
[01:52] <dns_56> yeah it is just a small application that edit's the xorg.conf for you
[01:52] <zerwas> okay
[01:54] <chrisboyle> RAOF: Bug #145182 filed and xorg.conf attached.
[01:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145182 in xserver-xgl "Xgl breaks xinerama (with nVidia TwinViewXineramaInfo)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145182
[01:54] <zerwas> nothing changed :-(..and it says (WW) Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" is not used
[01:55] <dns_56> you got it in the screen section?
[01:56] <zerwas> ...in "Device"
[01:56] <zerwas> should it go into "Screen"? :-o
[01:56] <dns_56> yes
[01:59] <zerwas> ok did it and restarted X, but still: (WW) Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" is not used
[02:03] <zerwas> should i try Envy?
[02:05] <dns_56> no idea, you do have:  Load           "glx"    in modules?
[02:06] <zerwas> sure
[02:12] <dns_56> my xorg.conf that i use, have a look and see if there is something missing, or post your xorg.conf > http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38629/
[02:32] <martijn> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38630/
[02:32] <martijn> can anyone help me with installed compiz-fusion?
[02:33] <Ownatik> hi, I accidently killed sftab, is there a way I can regenerate it?
[02:35] <Ownatik> fstab*
[02:37] <dns_56> Ownatik: manually, don't think there is a backup anywhere
[02:38] <Ownatik> if it's auto generated at first start , couldn't there be a wayu?
[02:39] <dns_56> it is generated on install, i would start from scratch myself . create a temporary folder and try and mount partitions yourself to see what they are
[02:40] <dns_56> there is no automatic tool, only the information that the partition manager generates as you format your hard drive
[02:55] <weltall> sorry i have a strange problem with amd64 builds which isn't present on x86 builds
[02:55] <weltall> they both start and i see the first lines of the kernel
[02:56] <weltall> but when the ubuntu logo should appear the screen power offs and doesn't power on again
[02:56] <weltall> the system completes booting but i can't see anything
[02:56] <dns_56> what kernel?
[02:58] <weltall> the one in tribe5
[02:58] <__tim> weltall: got that too (on macbook pro rev.3 with nvidia 8600M GT), have always had it with gutsy; but for me at least the screen powers on again when gdm starts
[02:58] <weltall> same card
[02:58] <weltall> could disabling the logo help?
[02:59] <dns_56> well i have not had any problems with 2.6.22-12-generic (current) and 2.6.22-10-generic
[02:59] <__tim> sometimes there's a filesystem check, then it takes a while to come up ...
[03:00] <weltall> but i waited till the system was ready
[03:00] <weltall> so no access on disk and cd
[03:01] <weltall> i've even tried the current version built on the 22nd
[03:02] <weltall> 2.6.22-12-generic (buildd@crested) #1 SMP Thu Sep 20 18:19:18 GMT 2007.....p.fQf.....fI
[03:03] <weltall> well maybe i will try again with logo disabled
[03:04] <weltall> i'm talking about live cd anyway
[03:19] <jussi01> any kubuntu'ers have alt+f2 not working?
[03:20] <jussi01> mine just doesnt do anything
[03:20] <jussi01> :(
[03:24] <Tm_T> jussi01: if you mean rundialog, I have it in super-r
[03:24] <jussi01> Tm_T: yeah... is yours broken?
[03:24] <Tm_T> nope
[03:24] <Tm_T> though I dont use gutsy ;)
[03:25] <jussi01> hmmm... weird... when did they change that?
[03:25] <jussi01> super + r works...
[03:25] <eagles0513875> i am having a problem. just changed the time zone im in but the time is write but not right time of day
[03:26] <Tm_T> jussi01: super-r is KDE default
[03:26] <eagles0513875> for some reaosn when i go into adjust time and date it wont let me change the time
[03:26] <Tm_T> jussi01: IIRC though not sure
[03:26] <jussi01> Tm_T: ok... didnt know that - alt + f2 always worked in the past
[03:26] <eagles0513875> te
[03:42] <aantipop> uhm ubuntu servers down ?
[03:44] <aantipop> try to ping ubuntu.com ubuntuforums.org
[03:46] <void^> works for me
[03:46] <kling0n> hello :) Im looking for a fairly stratightforward way to backup amy package list and revert to something resembling an ubuntu-minimal installation.... any suggestions for a good way of doing so? I'm not completely at home with apt-get with regards to removing stuff with all dependencies nor generating my package list in a usable format
[03:46] <kling0n> *straightforward*
[03:48] <aantipop> they definitly have problems right now
[03:50] <weltall> i was able to launch
[03:50] <weltall> gutsy
[03:50] <weltall> with splash and quiet removed
[03:50] <weltall> from the kernel command line
[03:51] <SpiritD> oki i just upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy now Vmware Aint running my Virtual machine
[03:51] <SpiritD> any ideas?
[03:52] <kling0n> reinstall vmware
[03:52] <SpiritD> oO
[03:52] <weltall> yeah you need to remake the kernel module
[03:52] <weltall> restart the configuration process
[03:53] <stefg> SpiritD: The vmware kernel modules for the gutsy kernel aren't ready yet
[03:53] <SpiritD> ty stefg
[03:54] <stefg> SpiritD: but as i found the gutsy repos still hold vmplayer 1.x consider using the tarball from vmware.com and build your own (you need the any-any-patch)
[03:54] <SpiritD> hmm oki cheers
[04:09] <LjL> is anybody else experiencing problems with - apparently - some keys being mistakenly detected as being kept pressed, when they've only been hit once?
[04:09] <LjL> specifically, my Yakuake trigger key (the "Menu" key) seems to behave like that, resulting in Yakuake showing and hiding in a loop
[04:10] <Pici> Did you spill something on your keyboard??
[04:10] <LjL> this used to happen for me in Edgy, too, but 1) it was fixed in Feisty and 2) it also happened with other keys, while now only Menu has that problem
[04:10] <LjL> Pici: no :)
[04:10] <LjL> alternatively, might there be any way to force X to avoid triggering repeat for that key?
[04:11] <Undress_Bonifaci> any one knows how to install vpn in ubuntu 6.06?
[04:12] <LjL> Undress_Bonifaci, 6.06 support is in #ubuntu
[04:12] <magical_trevsky>   linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-12-generic: Depends: linux-image-2.6.22-12-generic but it is not installable < anyone know what's up with that?
[04:12] <LjL> !info linux-image-2.6.22-12
[04:12] <ubotu> Package linux-image-2.6.22-12 does not exist in gutsy
[04:12] <LjL> !info linux-image-2.6.22-12-generic
[04:12] <ubotu> linux-image-2.6.22-12-generic: Linux kernel image for version 2.6.22 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22-12.39 (gutsy), package size 18090 kB, installed size 62292 kB
[04:12] <LjL> magical_trevsky, try "sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-12-generic" to find out why it's not installable, perhaps
[04:12] <Undress_Bonifaci> ok tnx LjL
[04:13] <magical_trevsky> LjL, got it, ty
[04:13] <darkhack> morning all
[04:13] <LjL> !vpn | Undress_Bonifaci, anyway
[04:13] <ubotu> Undress_Bonifaci, anyway: From more information on vpn please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD
[04:14] <darkhack> So everyone here install gutsy?
[04:14] <LjL> Undress_Bonifaci: uhm no sorry that's probably not what you want
[04:14] <LjL> darkhack: if not everyone, then i guess most
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[04:15] <Undress_Bonifaci> ok thank u guys
[04:15] <boritek> hi there! I have ubuntu gutsy and gnome-panel freezes too often and slows down the system
[04:16] <darkhack> Anyway, a few thing that need to be fix like why is there two doc and desktop folder on places menu
[04:16] <darkhack> another is there should be a download folder in the places menu
[04:17] <darkhack> don't know if anyone here agree with me anyway
[04:18] <LjL> darkhack, you should check if the two folders thing has already been reported as a bug, and if not, report it
[04:18] <LjL> i don't have GNOME myself
[04:18] <darkhack> i see
[04:19] <LjL> about the Download folder, well, perhaps you could submit that as a wishlist. of course however, all (at least the most important) programs that can download stuff should be modified to go there by default
[04:19] <darkhack> boy it hard to choose between gnome and kde
[04:19] <darkhack> I notices kde 4.0 look pretty sexy
[04:19] <LjL> it's not released yet, however, and it's still relatively far from releasable state
[04:20] <darkhack> but heck you have to weit till christmas or before it to be releases
[04:26] <martoss> hi folks
[04:27] <worble> I tried to boot my Gutsy system today and it could not find my LVM volume groups. What should I do?
[04:27] <jussi01> worble: have you tried the preious kernel?
[04:27] <jussi01> previous*
[04:28] <worble> jussi01: Yes
[04:28] <worble> The first time I booted it complained about the volume group having too many levels of symbolic links
[04:29] <martoss> can anyone confirm, that gutsy digikam has an empty usb-camera list?
[04:30] <fr500> hello
[04:30] <martoss> hi
[04:31] <worble> Is it possible to do recovery on LVM volumes?
[04:53] <jetsaredim> is there anyone that can look at 140967
[04:53] <Pici> bug 140967
[04:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140967 in hotkey-setup "package hotkey-setup 0.1-17ubuntu19 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140967
[04:55] <fr500> i have this laptop, with front panle audio controls
[04:55] <fr500> it was working on feisty
[04:56] <fr500> i reinstalled feisty due broken hd
[04:56] <fr500> and never worked again
[04:56] <fr500> i installed gutsy and is not working either
[04:56] <fr500> but i don't think i ever did anything to make they work on previous feisty
[04:56] <Pici> !hotkeys | fr500 try this
[04:56] <ubotu> fr500 try this: Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at http://keytouch.sourceforge.net (GNOME) or https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys (KDE) - See !Keyboard for changing layouts
[04:57] <fr500> Pici: it's not working
[04:58] <fr500> it's not keyboard based keys
[04:58] <fr500> it's a toshiba hardware interface i think
[04:58] <fr500> like one month ago, i figured it was working
[04:58] <fr500> finally since warty, but now i can't get it to work once again
[04:59] <fr500> !Keyboard
[04:59] <ubotu> To find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts
[04:59] <Pici> fr500: Even with keytouch?
[04:59] <fr500> Pici: even with keytouch, and i never installed keytouch before
[05:00] <jetsaredim> Pici: that hotkey-setup bug is causing kubuntu-desktop to fail to install/upgrade
[05:01] <GuyFromHell> nm-applet seems to have completely forgotten that one of my network cards (wireless) exists. where could i start snooping to see what the problem is?
[05:01] <zerwas> GuyFromHell, /etc/network/interfaces
[05:01] <jetsaredim> GuyFromHell: does it show up in ifconfig?
[05:01] <GuyFromHell> jetsaredim, yes, i'm runnign on wireless now but i had to set it up by hand
[05:02] <jetsaredim> are you running networkmanager?
[05:02] <GuyFromHell> zerwas, i can see the interface there after some "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" line
[05:02] <jetsaredim> i recently had a similar issue with my wifi hw on my laptop
[05:02] <GuyFromHell> jetsaredim, i guess, i can use nm-applet to connect when i'm wired.
[05:03] <jetsaredim> i had put some information into the interfaces file that zerwas mentioned and that was preventing networkmanager from auto-detecting my network
[05:03] <fr500> does anoyne here have a toshiba laptop?
[05:03] <jetsaredim> check that file to see if there is anything in there other than auto <iface_name>
[05:04] <GuyFromHell> jetsaredim, alright i'm going to try this, in case what i do causes my wireless to die, thanks guys
[05:04] <jetsaredim> just paste the contents of that file on rafb
[05:05] <GuyFromHell> jetsaredim, a wpa-psk is safe to put on the tubes, right? that's encrypted, no?
[05:05] <jetsaredim> well
[05:05] <jetsaredim> that might be your problem
[05:06] <GuyFromHell> jetsaredim, meh, i tought this happened when i was messing arround with wpa-supplicant but i couldn't be sure, let me delete that and see what happens
[05:06] <clem92> Hi
[05:06] <YazzY> hi guys
[05:06] <jetsaredim> like i said - if you have anything in there related to configuration other than "auto" none of the auto-connection tools will touch your interface because they will think its manually configured
[05:06] <YazzY> I am ubuntu gutsy with 2.6.22-12-generic kernel, after update from 2.6.22-11 I lost my sound due to lack of the snd_hda_intel module. Any idea why it was left out and where i can get it?
[05:06] <clem92> What's the standard theme in gutsy, please?
[05:06] <jussi01> YazzY: youre welcome :)
[05:07] <YazzY> jussi01: :)
[05:07] <jussi01> !intelhda | YazzY
[05:07] <ubotu> YazzY: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[05:07] <fr500> !toshiba
[05:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about toshiba - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:07] <YazzY> jussi01: thanks again
[05:08] <jussi01> YazzY: :D
[05:08] <clem92> Can anyone tell me, what's the new standard theme in Gutsy?
[05:12] <fr500> and an annoying bug....
[05:12] <fr500> synaptic always shows the warning screen
[05:13] <GuyFromHell_> jetsaredim, works now =) thank you
[05:14] <martoss> clem92, now we come to the real interesting questions. But asking twice won't help there...
[05:15] <clem92> martoss: ^^
[05:16] <frogduster> I know this sounds like a rather idiotic question..  ..but how do I get nautilus to forget my passwords in gutsy?
[05:16] <frogduster> (More accurately, I suppose, how do I get the keyring to remove them, etc).
[05:17] <skarface> what's the suggested method for adding medibuntu repos to gutsy?
[05:18] <fr500> is there a tool to scan for any input, be it keyboard or acpi or mouse to see if my keystrokes are being detected?
[05:18] <skarface> nevermind...
[05:27] <martoss> fr500, not sure what you exactly mean, you might try xev
[05:28] <Esteth> Has anyone used ENVY before/after upgrading to gutsy? It says "You must remove these drivers before upgrading to a new distribution version", but i'm not keen on removing graphics drivers, and specifically don't want to have trouble getting them working again under gutsy
[05:29] <jetsaredim> GuyFromHell_: no prob
[05:29] <jetsaredim> like i said - i only knew because I ran into the same thing only over the weekend
[05:30] <dedi> hey there, i just upgraded to gusty, and having troubles booting, getting a kernel panic when trying to boot from my lvm with: new kernel normal, new kernel recovery mode, old kernel. the only one that works is the old kernel recovery, and no clue why this works and the other ones not. here is my grub menu.lst: http://pastebin.org/3410
[05:30] <dedi> Esteth: if you dont want trouble, dont upgrade to gusty :)
[05:31] <Esteth> dedi: Ok, i assumed this close to release it'd be reasonably stable and people would just be ironing out minor issues. One more question then: When gutsy comes out of beta, will i have to remove compiz-fusion from feisty so i don't get conflicts with the one from gutsy?
[05:32] <dedi> Esteth: like the patch notes already say, itsbetter to remove compiz, own graphic drivers, so there has to be a reason
[05:33] <frogduster> resolved.. ..thx.
[05:33] <Esteth> dedi: Thanks, and sorry about not having read the patchnotes ;_;
[05:34] <dedi> Esteth: its easy said, if you dont want trouble, wait for the final release and some days aheead, if you like to play around with linux, go already gusty
[05:34] <dedi> this i generally :)
[05:37] <variant> for some reason, in any full screen game the mouse pointer/cross hair will jump to the center of the screen 2 or 3 seconds after having moved it. anyone know what i can do to fix that?
[05:37] <Esteth> dedi: I'm comfortable with playing around, but i don't really know how to fix things in linux yet. Only been using it a little over a month now.
[05:38] <dedi> fixing things is the biggest part of playing around ^^
[05:39] <Esteth> hehe. Not long until official release anyway now, so i can wait :)
[05:42] <variant> ok, i fixed it. was unclutter that caused the problem
[05:43] <fr500> hrmmmmm
[05:43] <fr500> actually i never cared about this keys till they began to work
[05:43] <fr500> now i'm pissed
[05:52] <d1006> anyone tried the beta candidate iso's out since yesterday or so? specifically/especially the one for 64bit arch?
[05:56] <Vegar> how do I get the desktop cube?
[05:56] <Vegar> do I have to install some extra packages?
[05:58] <darx> greetings
[05:59] <darx> how can i run firefox 3 alpha 8 on gutsy.
[05:59] <darx> even though i made the the start script executable, it still doesnt run for somereason
[06:00] <Lunar_Lamp> How do I go about tracking a dumped core segfault when I try to start mythfrontend?
[06:04] <Pici> Lunar_Lamp: I guess you could try starting it as an argument to strace
[06:05] <Lunar_Lamp> Pici: yes, that's a good idea, I'll try that later.
[06:06] <Lunar_Lamp> I couldn't see any information in launchpad about the bug, so I'm not sure if it's just a problem at my end or not yet.
[06:06] <Lunar_Lamp> But that kind of error always is a bug really, even if it's an obscure use-case.
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Anyone having issues with cookies on the new konqueror?
[06:19] <neildarlow> has anyone got a workaround for hplip/cupsys non--printing with usb printer?
[06:22] <DaSkreech> More specifically Gmail keeps telling me that I need cookies
[06:22] <neildarlow> DaSkreech: and you have them enabled?
[06:23] <DaSkreech> So Konqueror says
[06:23] <DaSkreech> She hasn't lied to me before
[06:23] <DaSkreech> But I may be naive
[06:23] <neildarlow> DaSkreech: can you view cookies to see if any have been set?
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Sure gimme a sec
[06:24] <DaSkreech> Yes there are cookies
[06:25] <DaSkreech> I can view them except the ones from Google
[06:25] <neildarlow> DaSkreech: it might be a third-party thing. perhaps you're enabling them for the originating domain only and it wants to set some other
[06:25] <DaSkreech> No  wait I can it just took a while
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Hmm I do have that enabled
[06:26] <DaSkreech> lets see
[06:27] <DaSkreech> Nope
[06:27] <ku> HI
[06:28] <neildarlow> DaSkreech: it's been a while since i used KDE. i can only suggest trawling through the cookie settings
[06:29] <DaSkreech> neildarlow: Thanks just wanted to see if it was someting funky with this machine or if someone can replicate it
[06:30] <neildarlow> it's probably a gutsy'ism
[06:30] <DaSkreech> I was using it last night with no issues
[06:30] <DaSkreech> Ah I should learn not to update when things are good :)
[06:30] <neildarlow> that's the way with beta stuff
[06:31] <DaSkreech> Well you guys have your stuff cut out for hardy :)
[06:31] <neildarlow> i'm stuck without printing (via hplip) at the moment. perhaps an update will make it right
[06:31] <mluser-work> Hello, I did an upgrade from feisty to Gutsy.  I would like to remove my old feisty kernels, can someone tell me how to remove them please?
[06:32] <neildarlow> mluser-work: the upgrade removed mine for me. search in synaptic for linux-image and linux-headers, i think
[06:33] <DaSkreech> mluser-work: Just apt-get remove them
[06:34] <neildarlow> mluser-work: in synaptic they might already be marked as obsolete
[06:36] <ramatieg> Setting up linux-image-2.6.22-12-386 (2.6.22-12.39) ...
[06:36] <ramatieg> Internal Error: Could not find image (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-12-386)
[06:36] <neildarlow> ramatieg: how did you do that?
[06:36] <ramatieg> neildarlow: apt-get upgrade
[06:37] <neildarlow> ramatieg: ah. i did it the update-manager -c -d way. absolutely no issues
[06:38] <ramatieg> A few packages (image, kernel modules) are stuck unconfigured (I did this a few days ago).
[06:38] <ramatieg> How can I fix this?
[06:39] <neildarlow> i have used synaptic to fix broken packages in the past
[06:39] <ramatieg> (It might have been a dist-upgrade and not upgrade)
[06:39] <neildarlow> ramatieg: i think it probably was :)
[06:40] <neildarlow> if you do the dist-upgrade route, you might have to do it more than once
[06:41] <ramatieg> Okay, I removed the package. But now it doesn't show up in 'upgrade' or 'dist-upgrade'.
[06:42] <neildarlow> ramatieg: you'll need to install it now
[06:44] <ramatieg> neildarlow: 'remove' removes it from the potential upgrades?
[06:45] <ramatieg> I'm trying to figure out if the packages were redacted (no longer recommended to install)
[06:45] <Pici> ramatieg: remove = uninstall
[06:46] <ramatieg> Pici: Yes, but since I have the metapackage linux-image shouldn't it still show up as a suggested upgrade?
[06:47] <Pici> ramatieg: Unless its not a dependency anymore
[06:47] <ramatieg> Pici: Okay. That's what I wanted to knwo
[06:52] <rom1v> hi
[07:09] <cypherdelic> Kids dont do Gates!
[07:10] <roktangent_> will update-manager be able to be used to do an LTS-->LTS upgrade...or will the normal increment upgrade method be used?  I'm thinking about 8.04LTS.
[07:10] <cypherdelic> roktangent: is there any info out about the new release?
[07:11] <roktangent_> well since 8.04 will be the 2nd LTS release, I was wondering.
[07:12] <LjL> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lts-upgrades
[07:13] <roktangent_> thanks
[07:21] <virtuelv> Are there known problems with automounting of ext3 removable volumes?
[07:24] <soc> hi
[07:24] <soc> i have a question regarding the fonts
[07:24] <soc> is there a difference between "sans" and "dejavu sans"?
[07:24] <soc> or are they symlinked somehow ...
[07:25] <soc> because they look the same
[07:26] <Pici> soc: I believe Dejavu has extended unicode characters in addition to the default sans layout.
[07:27] <Dicky> Hi, how can i burn an iso to CD by using the terminal?
[07:29] <rom1v> gnomefreak: are you here?
[07:32] <saispo> anyone have some problem with bcm43xx and gutsy kernel ?
[07:34] <gnomefreak> rom1v: no im not here today feeling kind of crappy today so ill be in bed most of the day.
[07:34] <rom1v> :(
[07:34] <rom1v> do you have some news from asic
[07:34] <rom1v> asac
[07:34] <rom1v> for my wifi wpa pb?
[07:35] <gnomefreak> rom1v: no not yet i spoke to him for like 3 minutes this morning on something else and told him ill be gone most of day, do you have bug report?
[07:35] <rom1v> yes : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/144882
[07:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144882 in network-manager "ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH] : Operation not supported" [Undecided,New] 
[07:35] <gnomefreak> rom1v: give me a bug number and ill post it for him to look at when he returned
[07:35] <gnomefreak> ah yes i remember htis one
[07:37] <rom1v> what's the result of 850*77.1 ? :)
[07:37] <Pici> !offtopic
[07:37] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[07:37] <rom1v> ;)
[07:38] <Stormx2> rom1v: 65535 off the top of my head.
[07:38] <gnomefreak> rom1v: ok i posted it to him, he will ping me when he gets back or he will just comment on it, thats all i can do today since i lost all my build dirs. from testing beta ISO's so ill wait to hear what he says
[07:38] <rom1v> yes, but not for excel 2007, where the result is 100000
[07:38] <Stormx2> rom1v: I know.
[07:38] <rom1v> ok
[07:40] <panosru> Hi
[07:40] <panosru> I have updated to gutsy today
[07:41] <panosru> but when i try to set Visual Effects
[07:41] <panosru> not only effects not working but window titles disapears
[07:41] <panosru> disappears*
[07:41] <gnomefreak> nvidia?
[07:41] <rathel> lmao I finally got AWN working, and I'm running Openbox, anyone know how I can get it to appear on all my desktops?
[07:41] <panosru> yes
[07:41] <panosru> nvidia 7300GS
[07:42] <gnomefreak> panosru: try adding these Option          "AddARGBVisuals"        "True" Option          "AddARGBGLXVisuals"     "True"
[07:43] <gnomefreak> to Section device in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:43] <panosru> and when i press to visual effects preferences i got an error window that says: Sorry, CompizConfig settings Manager closed unexpectedly
[07:44] <gnomefreak> panosru: if you use restricted-manager to enable nvidia drivers (with gutsy) its adds everything and automaticcly starts it (this is not the case on upgrade
[07:44] <panosru> i used restricted-manager
[07:44] <gnomefreak> panosru: on feisty you did
[07:44] <panosru> no on feisty i used envy
[07:45] <gnomefreak> and there can be your biggest issue if you upgraded
[07:45] <panosru> so what can i do for this now?
[07:45] <gnomefreak> envy is far from safe to use on your system
[07:46] <emet> !info qemu
[07:46] <gnomefreak> panosru: TBH i would back things up that you need and grab the daily ISO, all my issues went away with a clean install
[07:46] <ubotu> qemu: fast processor emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.0-2ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 4013 kB, installed size 10792 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 powerpc alpha sparc arm armeb armel s390 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[07:46] <emet> !info qemu feisty
[07:46] <ubotu> qemu: fast processor emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2+dfsg-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 3465 kB, installed size 9460 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 powerpc alpha sparc arm s390 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[07:46] <gnomefreak> panosru: or you need to get rid of everything nvidia realted including l-r-m and everything else.
[07:47] <panosru> if i uninstall envy ? will it work?
[07:47] <gnomefreak> panosru: personally after testing the beta release i was extreamly pleased that it fixed all my X issues and everything else
[07:47] <gnomefreak> panosru: no envy is just a script you need to remove --purge EVERYTHING envy did to install the drivers
[07:48] <panosru> ok i did it through envy (selected the uninstall nvidia drivers)
[07:49] <gnomefreak> envy grabs from nvidia.com and builds the restricted-modules package for your kernel (you are now not using ubuntus restricted-modules for nvidia but nvidias. the nvidia script you get from nvidia.com has a way to remove the r-m package it built but envy does not
[07:49] <gnomefreak> panosru: does it remove the restrictd-modules package it built?
[07:49] <panosru> i don;t know :(
[07:50] <gnomefreak> panosru: last i heard no it didnt. unless he fixed it (but either way i find using restricted-manager a lot easier since its one click and done
[07:50] <gnomefreak> panosru: you NEED to know
[07:50] <baastrup> hey there, I have had som problems with my nvidia card and opengl support, its a geforce 3, so i tryed the legacy driver without luck, the nvidia-glx should be the right one to use but, i did a sudo modprobe -v nvidia and could see that it tryes to probe nvidia_new insted of nvidia so I did an insmod nvidia.ko and everything works, but how do I correct it so it works aftr next reeboot=
[07:50] <gnomefreak> panosru: it will bork your X all up if you keep them there
[07:51] <panosru> w8 a sec  brb
[07:51] <gnomefreak> when you go to use differnet drivers (most common error is cant find volital.so (sp)
[07:51] <jsomers> has anyone experience with backing up evolution?
[07:51] <gnomefreak> oh well im gone the pain pills are kicking in big time
[07:52] <jsomers> I restored .evolution, .gconf/apps/evolution and .gnome2_private/evolution, but it still asks me to create an account if I start it
[07:59] <jetsaredim> is there a way to get a package that was on feisty brought forward to gutsy?
[08:01] <PriceChild> jetsaredim, if it was removed from gutsy, probably for a reason
[08:01] <Pici> jetsaredim: there was probably a reason for tis removal...
[08:01] <Pici> jetsaredim: What package.
[08:01] <jetsaredim> vmware-server-kernel-modules
[08:02] <jetsaredim> on feisty the source package was l-r-m, but its not there for gutsy and the modules aren't in the l-r-m for gutsy either
[08:03] <jetsaredim> its like someone needs to flip the switch to enable it
[08:03] <Pici> I'm completely guessing here, but is it possible that was rolled up into linux-image-virtual
[08:03] <jetsaredim> Pici: good question
[08:05] <jetsaredim> hmm - looking at the description on packages.ubuntu.com it looks like that is meant to be run inside a vmware guest
[08:05] <Pici> Hm..
[08:05] <jetsaredim> to me it looks like no one has triggered a build for that package on gutsy yet
[08:10] <mrtimdog> Hi, I'm having trouble getting any sound from my HDA Intel integrated sound. Are there any known problems at the mo?
[08:11] <Pici> jetsaredim: I'm not sure... could could try asking about it in #ubuntu-kernel, but be patient, its not exactly a support channel.
[08:11] <ReL1K> anyone with a T61 + intel video card got dual monitors work? I have a docking station one with VGA other with DVI, want to have two desktops..
[08:11] <Pici> mrtimdog: There were issues a while ago, have you been updating?
[08:12] <mrtimdog> I have, at latest os of a few mins ago.
[08:12] <jetsaredim> Pici: i did ask in there - have been asking in there for about a week now
[08:12] <Pici> hmm
[08:12] <Pici> And no answers?
[08:12] <jetsaredim> there are at least a couple bugs filed against this
[08:13] <Pici> Any takes on the bugs?
[08:13] <jetsaredim> they are unanswered
[08:13] <jetsaredim> the only answer i got was build the modules from source
[08:13] <jetsaredim> which i had been doing
[08:14] <Pici> What about in #ubuntu-motu?
[08:14] <jetsaredim> haven't tried there
[08:14] <nandemonai> mrtimdog: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/130559 might be related.
[08:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130559 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) - no sound" [Medium,Triaged] 
[08:14] <geser> does somebody know if the xserver-xorg-video-radoenhd driver is usable?
[08:15] <mrtimdog> nandemonai: Thanks, I missed that one. Been through a few simlar bugs, but older.
[08:25] <ReL1K> anyone know why i can't have more then two desktops in compiz? if its off can do 3-4-5-6 or whatever, but as soon as its turned on it only shows two desktops, i.e. cant do full cube
[08:25] <Pici> ReL1K: You need to change the preferences inside the general portion of ccsm to configure more than 2 desktops
[08:26] <ReL1K> Pici, how do I do that, sorry?
[08:27] <ReL1K> got it
[08:27] <ReL1K> got into the compiz stuff, thanks will check it out
[08:27] <ReL1K> thanks pici
[08:28] <ReL1K> works great thanks again pici
[08:31] <mac__> where to download the next release of ubuntu?
[08:31] <mac__> I mean test run
[08:32] <Pici> Have you read an understood the topic?
[08:32] <mac__> ya
[08:32] <mac__> I in IT line have many spare P4 and core 2 dual to test run
[08:33] <Pici> mac__: You can find isos on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[08:33] <mac__> thanks
[08:35] <ReL1K> or google download gutsy :P
[08:35] <ReL1K> there anyway to change the icon on the top of the cube and bottom?
[08:36] <kurros> mac__: beware of the current cd images if you see an .OVERSIZED file
[08:48] <Webbmaster> any idea why i can kdesu into other user's graphical programs in feisty but not gutsy?
[08:49] <neildarlow> Webbmaster: improved security in gutsy maybe?
[08:49] <Webbmaster> neildarlow: hmmmm
[08:50] <Webbmaster> neildarlow: i have that person's password tho
[08:50] <Webbmaster> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[09:03] <panosru> Hi
[09:03] <panosru> gnomefreak are you here?
[09:03] <gnomefreak> panosru: not really
[09:04] <panosru> gnomefreak can you help me now? or you are busy?
[09:04] <gnomefreak> panosru: depends what it is
[09:06] <panosru> well i uninstall envy and nvidia drivers then installed them through restricted driver manager and reboot... all are ok now but again
[09:06] <panosru> when i try to run Visual Effects, 1) i don't have titles in windows
[09:06] <panosru> 2) effects not working
[09:06] <panosru> 3) compiz setting manager not working but it crash
[09:07] <panosru> these are my problems after update  from feisty to gutsy
[09:07] <gnomefreak> panosru: make sur eyou have the 2 lines i gave you earlier in xorg.conf
[09:07] <panosru> "Sorry, CompizConfig Settings Manager closed unexpectedly"
[09:07] <panosru> yes i have them, i have to put them in screen?
[09:07] <Sergemine> Gutsy Beta be reliesed tomorrow?
[09:08] <gnomefreak> panosru: open /etc/X11/xorg.conf in your fav editor
[09:08] <gnomefreak> Sergemine: about that
[09:08] <gnomefreak> panosru: under Section "device" do you have the following 2 lines
[09:08] <gnomefreak> panosru: Option          "AddARGBVisuals"        "True"
[09:08] <panosru> yes i have them
[09:09] <Sergemine> Are is only one beta planned for this release, right?
[09:09] <gnomefreak> Option          "AddARGBGLXVisuals"     "True"
[09:09] <panosru> http://pastebin.com/db07c449
[09:09] <kirkunit> got a question about upgrading from Feisty to Gutsy. Can some tell me the best method? Last time I used the gksu command rather than doing a dist-upgrade.
[09:09] <gnomefreak> Sergemine: yes rc is next
[09:09] <Sergemine> Great! CANT WAIT!!!
[09:09] <gnomefreak> panosru: ar eyou sure nvidia's build restricted-modules is gone?
[09:10] <gnomefreak> panosru: Screen  0 what is this for?
[09:10] <kirkunit> !upgrade
[09:10] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[09:10] <kirkunit> heh
[09:11] <gnomefreak> kirkunit: make sure you have the latest version of update-manager i cant remember if its in backports or updates, im thinking backports but make sur eyou have it or it will fail
[09:11] <panosru> i uninstalled everything from envy and envy it self then reboot and had a 800x600 screen and no nvidia drivers then opened restricted manager and checked nvidia drivers it downloaded the drivers and installed it and required restart so i restarted and then nvidia logo appeared before i login
[09:11] <gnomefreak> kirkunit: if you give me a minute ill grab the site
[09:11] <panosru> i don't know what is this Screen 0 it appeared after update
[09:11] <gnomefreak> panosru: than im not sure try asking in #ubuntu-effects
[09:12] <panosru> ok man thanks ;) will try there :D
[09:12] <panosru> but except this everything else works
[09:12] <panosru> between is there any wish list?
[09:12] <panosru> about ubuntu?
[09:12] <kirkunit> gnomefreak: so sudo apt-get dist-upgrade won't work?
[09:12] <gnomefreak> kirkunit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta
[09:12] <mage> hahaha for some reason the new graphics thing sees I have a 1680x1050 monitor, but doesn't give me that resolution as a choice
[09:12] <gnomefreak> kirkunit: no read that link i just gave you
[09:13] <kirkunit> thanks
[09:13] <gnomefreak> kirkunit: its important you follow the directions under "Upgrading from Feisty)
[09:13] <neildarlow> kirkunit: you need update-manager from feisty proposed-updates
[09:13] <gnomefreak> there has been fixes in update-manager version0.59.25 to allow it to upgrade better
[09:13] <gnomefreak> neildarlow: its in feisty-updates
[09:13] <kirkunit> gnomefreak, neildarlow: thanks... good job I checked here. otherwise i might have hosed my system
[09:14] <neildarlow> kirkunit: i did "sudo dbus-launch update-manager -c -d"
[09:14] <gnomefreak> dbus-launch? why was it crashing?
[09:14] <neildarlow> gnomefreak: no, it complained it couldn't start dbus
[09:15] <gnomefreak> ah ok maybe thats why that post was added to beta wiki :)
[09:15] <neildarlow> gnomefreak: update-manager may be in feisty-updates but a newer one was in proposed. it was recommended to use it on the wiki iirc
[09:16] <neildarlow> anyway the upgrade was flawess doing it that way
[09:17] <gnomefreak> neildarlow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta
[09:18] <neildarlow> hmm. that information must've been updated. i did pick-up that version though.
[09:19] <gnomefreak> the link i gave was the one posting in the devel meeting this morning
[09:19] <Sergemine> Guys, oppening http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ page gives: Not Found The requested URL /releases/gutsy/ was not found on this server. Shouldn't this page be there ono-dependant on Beta page awailable? So is Beta released already?
[09:19] <mrtimdog> Still having trouble getting audio to work, not sure what else to look at at the mo.
[09:20] <mrtimdog> Pici: Do you know if the recent problems were fixed?
[09:20] <neildarlow> Pici: looks like it might be an earlier version
[09:20] <Pici> mrtimdog: The ones I mentioned earlier were fixed after tribe 5 I think
[09:21] <Pici> Sergemine: The beta isnt out yet.
[09:22] <mrtimdog> Ah, then I think there may still be problems with Intel HDA, at least unless I've done something odd here.
[09:23] <mrtimdog> Anyone here know anything of the snd_hda_intel drivers?
[09:23] <jussi01> !intelhda | mrtimdog
[09:23] <ubotu> mrtimdog: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[09:23] <neildarlow> does anyone know of issues relating to hplip/cupsys/apparmor? my usb printer is seen by hplip but won't print anything
[09:24] <ConstyXIV> has anyone tried guild wars with wine in gutsy?
[09:24] <mrtimdog> jussi01: Thanks, giving it a try...
[09:24] <jussi01> mrtimdog: :)
[09:26] <bstock> hey, trying out gutsy tribe 5, trying to add a printer and it keeps asking for my password, but it wont accept my user or root password
[09:27] <gnomefreak> bstock: use the daily ISO to install (if you upgraded than there maybe something that went wrong there (im not here though)
[09:27] <gnomefreak> trying to get away and lay down
[09:27] <soothsayer> bstock: Network printer?
[09:28] <bstock> hmm i used the tribe 5 cd, and did all the updates in apt this morning
[09:28] <bstock> yeah network printer
[09:28] <ggilbert> Is anyone here using a P35 Core 2 Duo motherboard with Gutsy?
[09:28] <soothsayer> bstock: Is it asking for your Windows SMB user/pass credentials?
[09:28] <bstock> tried using the auto-detected one as well as HP JetDirect printer
[09:28] <bstock> i don't think so, asking 'password for bstock on localhost?'
[09:29] <bstock> i just reset my user password to something simple and still not working
[09:29] <neildarlow> bstock: is this adding via cups web interface?
[09:30] <bstock> via Printer Configuration screen from System -> Administration -> Printing
[09:30] <bstock> then clicking 'New Printer' button right away
[09:31] <neildarlow> bstock: ok. not experienced any problem there
[09:31] <bstock> hmm
[09:31] <bstock> maybe it's just this printer? let me try another networked printer
[09:32] <bstock> hmm asking the same thing for another printer, different manufacturer too
[09:32] <bstock> so, sounds like something local
[09:33] <Sergemine> OK. Guys, I have a Q that is very big for me. Need your experts' piece of advice: I use a SAMSUNG R40+ Laptop equipped with ATI RADEION EXPRESS 1250. It wasn't automaically recognized by Feisty (it may be the screen though that caused the problem), but connecting another sceen gave me a chance to install the RADEON's driver and reconfigure the xserver. It work good afterwards, but was pretty scary when doing it all manually. Now, does 
[09:34] <Sergemine> *How does IT work?
[09:35] <cypherdelic> Hello, mozilla-flash-nonfree doesnt work for me since the last update, i see black you tube frame with a zero play doesnt work
[09:35] <cypherdelic> yesterday  youtube worked
[09:38] <jussi01> cypherdelic:
[09:38] <jussi01> try flashplugin-nonfree
[09:39] <neildarlow> cypherdelic: 9.0.48.0.0ubuntu11 works ok here
[09:46] <tormod> Sergemine: what did you do to make it work?
[09:47] <Sergemine> I installed the Radeon driver first, then did xserver-reconfigure and went through thewizard the "advanced" way setting the display size atc...
[09:47] <tormod> Sergemine: is it automatically recognized in Gutsy?
[09:48] <Sergemine> tormod, Nope
[09:48] <tormod> Sergemine: you get vesa instead?
[09:48] <Sergemine> tormod, I wasn't able to boot a nightly build
[09:48] <Sergemine> yes
[09:49] <tormod> and vesa displays on the wrong output/screen?
[09:49] <Sergemine> and my greaphics would probablywork with that, but the sceen res is 1280 by 900 so it fails
[09:49] <tormod> have you tried a recent daily?
[09:50] <Sergemine> no, waiting for beta
[09:50] <tormod> what version of ati did you install
[09:50] <tormod> ?
[09:51] <Sergemine> tormod, I heard of this BulletProofX feature and thought may be that's the solution for my prob
[09:51] <tormod> Sergemine: it might be, but much better if it picks ati and ati works :)
[09:52] <Sergemine> I tried ATI from the list, but it didn't work with that
[09:52] <Sergemine> it uses some other driver
[09:52] <tormod> did you file a bug report?
[09:52] <Sergemine> I will give you the name in a sec
[09:52] <slackern> Sergemine, You could try the avivo driver too it might work for some r5xx cards
[09:53] <tormod> slackern: well if it worked with the -ati driver it is not an r5xx
[09:53] <slackern> Sergemine, there is a new driver in development named radeonhd also, im running it on my X1950 card right now
[09:53] <slackern> tormod, ahh thats right, i didn't read careful enough :)
[09:55] <cypherdelic> jussi01 jussio1 im with flashplugin-nonfree, it doesnt work in current version for me
[09:55] <Sergemine> the search doesn't work for me on packages.ubuntu.com web site ..... =-O
[09:58] <Sergemine> tormod, slackern, sorry, I can't find the name of the driver that worked for me in packages list. It's a name I would never pronounce or remember...
[09:58] <ReL1K> anyone know when intel cards aren't going to be blacklisted? :P
[09:58] <tormod> Sergemine: a name like xserver-xorg-video-ati ?
[09:59] <cypherdelic> jussi01: seems to work right now, hm dont know
[09:59] <Sergemine> tormod, yes, but something else instead of 'ati'
[09:59] <jussi01> cypherdelic: good :)
[10:00] <tormod>  xserver-xorg-video-vesa ?
[10:00] <jussi01> !ati
[10:00] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:00] <slackern> seems like the x1250 is a r6xx gpu, then it might work with radeonhd
[10:01] <tormod> jussi01: pretty confusing that uboto says "Ati" driver for the fglrx driver. cf ati - the open source one.
[10:03] <darkhack> sup all
[10:03] <Sergemine> OOOO!
[10:03] <jussi01> tormod: if you have a suggestiong, do '/msg ubotu' then in the private msg 'ati is your suggestion here' and the ops will have a look and see if it needs changing!
[10:03] <Sergemine> FGLRX
[10:03] <Sergemine> if I'm not mistaking
[10:03] <cypherdelic> jussi01: but YouPorn doesnt work
[10:04] <jussi01> !o4o | cypherdelic:
[10:04] <ubotu> cypherdelic:: Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu+1.  Controversial topics: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.
[10:04] <cypherdelic> arghs
[10:04] <slackern> the opensource 'ati' driver doesn't support r5xx/r6xx but fglrx could work for you, the r5xx/r6xx opensource driver is still in development and might not work yet for your card and it lacks 2d/3d acceleration still only shadowfb in it to speed it up as far as i know
[10:05] <darkhack> anyone know if two documents and desktop on the place menu going to be fix?
[10:05] <tormod> Sergemine: so when you said you installed the "Radeon" driver you installed the fglrx driver?
[10:05] <Sergemine> tormod, xserver-xorg-video-fglrx, http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/misc/xorg-driver-fglrx
[10:05] <cypherdelic> jussi01: sry YouP doesnt work ;D i just count that because it doesnt works the videos are in .vfl format, i can download and watch, but browser doesnt work
[10:05] <cypherdelic> just black
[10:05] <Sergemine> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/misc/xorg-driver-fglrx, yep
[10:05] <Sergemine> tormad, was I wrong?
[10:06] <Sergemine> It has Radeon on the list
[10:06] <darkhack> plus I hope they add downloads folder on the places menu
[10:06] <tormod> Sergemine: the old ati driver didn't support Xpress, so you had no choice. the new ati driver in beta will work I think.
[10:07] <darkhack> which ati driver do u have or using?
[10:07] <slackern> Sergemine, you have a little simple guide here if you want to try out the new driver in development http://www.digitalself.org/?p=36
[10:07] <darkhack> I have X600
[10:08] <skinnypuppy2> Anyone know the no title bar fix for gutsy with compiz-fusion? I'm not running a nvidia card. Intel 82865 on a dell 4600
[10:08] <tormod> slackern: does radeonhd support his Xpress 1250?
[10:08] <Sergemine> tormod, ha. thank you. That's GOOD news. I am not familiar with the ATI driver development. Is there a place to see the list of suppoted cards in this new version?
[10:08] <skinnypuppy2> Everything else in manager works excellent I just have no titlebars
[10:08] <slackern> tormod, Yes it will support it but im not 100% sure if it works right now since it's in heavy development
[10:08] <tormod> what chipset is the Xpress 1250?
[10:09] <gravemind> is there a problem with udevd the processor all the time?
[10:09] <slackern> tormod, RS690
[10:09] <darkhack> ati 8.41.x will support radeonhd
[10:09] <slackern> tormod, the devs had a x1250 card delivered yesterday or earlier today so it would work fine shortly :)
[10:09] <gravemind> for me at least the processor is on at 100% all the time, with udevd using as much as possible
[10:10] <tormod> ok I confused it with the Xpress 1150. Sorry forget what I said about the ati driver!
[10:11] <slackern> tormod, oh im also confused with all these gpu's out there seems like an ocean, atleast after looking into the rhd_id.c file which lists all cards im scared :)
[10:11] <baastrup> hey, when i try to probe nvidia.ko i choose nvidia-new insted, and my card is only supported by nvidia
[10:11] <baastrup> it
[10:12] <tormod> slackern: :) yes I and they use very confusing chipset - modelname mapping (or lack thereof)
[10:12] <darkhack> <  glad amd finally releasing ati driver code to open sources
[10:12] <{{Booh}}> Can I apply a patch made for 2.6.15 to my 2.6.22.1 custom kernel?
[10:13] <slackern> darkhack, it's a step in the right direction but it will take some time to get a driver with full 2d/3d acceleration but atleast its' going somewhere now :)
I agree
[10:14] <tormod> hey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units says Xpress 1250 is based off X700 - its an RV410 then and not an R6??.
[10:14] <tormod> RS6xx = R4xx != R6xx (go ATI Inc)
[10:15] <slackern> haha confusing to say the least
[10:15] <tormod> X700  works perfectly with xserver-xorg-video-ati at least
[10:16] <darkhack> Anyway, I like to know what everyone opinion on Ubuntu Gutsy so far since it near to release or rc releases
[10:16] <nanonyme> tormod, erm, so what's the conclusion?
[10:16] <slackern> 0x791E,0x791F,0x793F,0x7941,0x7942 are all in the X1200 series and listed in the radeonhd driver atleast :)
[10:17] <tormod> nanonyme: not yet there
[10:17] <slackern> maybe easiest to go into #radeonhd and ask the devs :)
[10:17] <gnomefreak> darkhack: can we get beta released first before close to rc releases is mentioned
[10:17] <tormod> Sergemine: what is the PCI ID of your card? lspci -vn|grep VGA
[10:19] <darkhack> gnomefreak>I don't think there won't be anymore beta releases and the RC1 will soon be releases
[10:20] <tormod> darkhack: there is one Beta release and it's next week.
[10:20] <darkhack> hmmm
[10:21] <gnomefreak> darkhack: beta 1 hasnt been released yet
[10:21] <gnomefreak> darkhack: beta1 than rc1
[10:21] <tormod> don't think, search the wiki first (clue: GutsyReleaseSchedule)
[10:21] <darkhack> I see
[10:21] <gnomefreak> tomorrow is the date it should be released but dont be suprised if its friday
[10:22] <darkhack> I'm looking at the scheduler releases right now
[10:22] <enyc> bah!
[10:24] <gnomefreak> darkhack: things may change from that but its close to what is gonna/has happened
[10:24] <darkhack> I see
[10:25] <Sergemine> tormod, thank you very much for the help. unfortunatly I cannot run the command right now, but will do it tomorrow once I download the new BETA iso! Thank you veru much!
What do you think of it so far?
[10:25] <tormod> Sergemine: no problem. please file a bug if the beta doesn't work out of the box!
[10:26] <gnomefreak> darkhack: i blogged about iton planet.ubuntu.com but for a short answer upgrading has some work to be done/ clean install of the beta testing ISO (before beta is released we test them) and it works great
[10:27] <gnomefreak> darkhack: however its not stable and i wouldnt use it on a pc you cant afford for it to not boot
[10:28] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: great job on compiz with mvo testing beta ISos worked great and using r-m to enable drivers gave me the min. compiz effects :) i love it
[10:28] <Amaranth> gnomefreak: thanks :)
[10:28] <gnomefreak> Amaranth: no thank you :)
I hope they fix the dup Documents and Desltip folder on the Places menu, plus would be great if they add the Downloads folders on the Places menu
[10:29] <gnomefreak> darkhack: thats an easy fix and will get done but we are frozen so stuff like that will have to wait
[10:29] <gnomefreak> but yes i agree
i see
[10:31] <gnomefreak> ok im going to get this thing building for weekend/monday upload
[10:31] <darkhack> good luck gnomefreak
[10:31] <gnomefreak> thanks im gonna need it :(
[10:34] <darkhack> Well, I'm off testing out ubuntu and other distro
[10:34] <darkhack> later all
[10:34] <darkhack> keep up the good work
[10:36] <Colossus73> hello
[10:36] <{{Booh}}> I'm on dual xeon 64bits.  I have kernel panic (custom 2.6.22.1) about "not syncing: swiotlb_alloc_coherent: allocated memory is out of range for device".  EM64T doesn't support I/O TLBs.  Is there an option in kernel config tu disable it?
[10:36] <Colossus73> helloI have a problem with the update-notifier; it doesn't notify the updates with the icon in the systray
[10:36] <{{Booh}}> I don't know what it is at all!
[10:36] <Colossus73> I even reinstalled both upgrade-manager and update-notifier but the problem still lies
[10:37] <Colossus73> the daemon is running in the background
[10:37] <Colossus73> but the updates are not notified in the systray
[10:37] <Colossus73> if I run it from the console I can see the other icons in the systray moving a bit like a new icon is to appear
[10:37] <Colossus73> but then they return to the original position
[10:38] <Colossus73> ca anyone help me please^
[10:38] <Aondo> anyone can give warsow a short test for me? just enter the menu with lower res than you have on you normal desktop. my warsow keeps getting really narrow on both sides, except when i have set it to use same res as my X is currently using.
[10:38] <so1> hi
[10:38] <so1> will gimp stay at rc2 or will it be updated when the final will be released?
[10:43] <amio> can any one help please since I upgraded to 7.10 and the video resolution doesnt work good at all. I have ati
[10:44] <amio> can any one help please since I upgraded to 7.10 and the video resolution doesnt work good at all. I have ati
[10:45] <CountX> amio, have you looked online?
[10:46] <CountX> !ati
[10:46] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:46] <CountX> i would try loging in and installing the drivers for ati
[10:50] <panosru> I installed Gutsy but my printer driver don't work... i have Canon i550
[10:52] <ReL1K> careful on the binary drivers for nvidia, some major buffer overflows on *nix for them
[10:52] <ReL1K> http://www.rapid7.com/advisories/R7-0025.jsp
[10:52] <ReL1K> The NVIDIA Binary Graphics Driver for Linux is vulnerable to a
[10:52] <ReL1K>    buffer overflow that allows an attacker to run arbitrary code as
[10:52] <ReL1K>    root. This bug can be exploited both locally or remotely (via
[10:52] <ReL1K>    a remote X client or an X client which visits a malicious web page).
[11:10] <cypherdelic> SEND L3 ERROR: 157 byte packet (0800:01) destined to 221.124.15.89 was not forwarded (libnet_write_raw_ipv4(): -1 bytes written (Operation not permitted)
[11:10] <cypherdelic> is ip forwarding for my kernel enabled???
[11:10] <cypherdelic> how to check?? how to enable??
[11:16] <variant> cypherdelic: what are you trying to do?
[11:19] <LjL> erm, why would i have 2.6.22-12-386 installed rather than -generic, after upgrading?
[11:20] <Xero> LjL, for module dependencies, I'd bet a few dollars.
[11:20] <LjL> Xero: uhm, would trying an "apt-get remove mykernel" tell me which those dependencies are?
[11:21] <Xero> LjL, yeah.
[11:21] <LjL> ... and if there aren't any, uninstall the kernel without asking? =)
[11:21] <Xero> AHHH
[11:21] <Xero> ALL MY APPS ARE CRASHING
[11:22] <LjL> are you for real, or are you mocking me? :P
[11:22] <Xero> LjL, I'm not mocking you
[11:22] <panosru> can i install Emerald on Gutsy?
[11:22] <Xero> I think its just the new crash log
[11:22] <Xero> logging -all- my crashes onto the screen
[11:22] <LjL> ah :)
[11:23] <LjL> Xero, if i remove it though, it only says it will also remove linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-12-386 (unsurprising)
[11:23] <LjL> but i'm quite sure i didn't have that installed on feisty
[11:23] <Xero> LjL, install the -generic kernel and see what happens.
[11:23] <LjL> will do
[11:23] <Xero> If you can boot it, remove the 386 one
[11:24] <LjL> but i'd like to understand why -386 got installed too
[11:24] <LjL> might be worth a bug report
[11:24] <CountX> Xero, lol
[11:24] <Xero> CountX, penis. Is that funny too?
[11:24] <LjL> uhm, i have generic installed *too*
[11:24] <Pici> Xero: ?
[11:24] <Xero> LjL, then I don't know.
[11:25] <CountX> Xero, no
[11:25] <Xero> Attempt to boot into it through the grub menu and if it works remove the 386 one, i guess.
[11:25] <LjL> i'll just boot generic and forget about it i guess - yeah
[11:31] <Reaby> how can't i find a font manager in gnome settings...
[11:33] <Pici> Reaby: Its in the apperance application now
[11:33] <Reaby> woot. it's the last place i could ever try even to find it
[11:34] <Reaby> nonono
[11:34] <Reaby> i mean i want to install new fonts
[11:34] <Reaby> not that manager :)
[11:34] <Reaby> that one is logical place
[11:35] <Reaby> looks like gnome doesn't have proper font manager for installing fonts
[11:35] <ConstyXIV> can you get transparent panels with compiz?
[11:37] <Reaby> gonna drop an email to gnome team, there definetly should be atleast link to fonts:// in control panel menus
[11:37] <Reaby> one can't possible find that without forums
[11:38] <Reaby> better even could be option to install system wide and user fonts on that panel
[11:38] <ConstyXIV> Reaby: appearance->fonts->detail->go to fonts folder
[11:39] <Reaby> ConstyXIV: it's something no usable, i want gnome to have something like fontbook or my fonts in some sort logical place
[11:39] <Reaby> ConstyXIV: that is waaaayyy least expected place for ppl who want to install font
[11:41] <Xero> ConstyXIV, yes.
[11:41] <Webbmaster> hi
[11:41] <Xero> Hold the alt key and mousewheel down on your panel.
[11:41] <Xero> It is now transparent
[11:41] <Webbmaster> how do i set up gutsy so that it will allow me to kdesu graphical apps as other users?
[11:42] <wasabi> rtc: lost some interrupts at 2048Hz.
[11:42] <wasabi> [ 8381.429960]  printk: 249 messages suppressed.
[11:42] <wasabi> That happens right before a bunch of programs start crashing. ;0
[11:43] <Reaby> Webbmaster: http://penguinfonts.com/howto/ubuntu.php
[11:43] <Reaby> Webbmasterhttp://www.zolved.com/synapse/view_content/28019/How_to_add_an_additional_Super_User_DOSUDO_in_Ubuntu
[11:43] <Reaby> Webbmaster: http://www.zolved.com/synapse/view_content/28019/How_to_add_an_additional_Super_User_DOSUDO_in_Ubuntu
[11:43] <Reaby> 3rd time...
[11:45] <LjL> Xero: hm weird, i had to run a 'depmod' before my nvidia kernel blob would load on -generic
[11:45] <_Jaak_> Since 1 or 2 weeks the wammu package has been updated in the repo's of gutsy but.... hehe... ofcourse always a but.... it requires python-gammu version 0.21 but the repo contains python-gammu 0.20-1.
[11:45] <Xero> LjL, strange. I'm gonna go try that on a lowlatency kernel.
[11:48] <Xero> What's the preemptive kernel for Gutsy? I know on Feisty it was -lowlatency.
[11:49] <Xero> !search lowlatency
[11:49] <ubotu> Found:
[11:49] <Xero> !search preemptive
[11:49] <soothsayer> realtime?
[11:50] <soothsayer> -rt
[11:50] <soothsayer> Xero: -rt
[11:50] <Xero> Thanks.
[11:50] <Xero> Is it actually faster?
[11:51] <soothsayer> I don't know. Never used it.
[11:51] <Reaby> you could try also compiling 2.6.23-rc5 from source, it has that new scheduler
[11:52] <Reaby> and for desktop-use it's faster
[11:52] <Xero> Sweet.
[11:52] <Xero> Does it have even a 1FPS difference in Compiz?
[11:52] <Reaby> don't know about realtime thingies / audio use
[11:52] <Reaby> Xero: i doubt
[11:52] <Reaby> but in multitasking it rocks
[11:52] <kurros> Xero: -rt is only going to help sync/lock sensitive applications
[11:52] <Xero> Oh okay. Good.
[11:53] <LjL> what new scheduler?
[11:53] <kurros> the new scheduler in 2.6.23 is nice though for desktop interactivity
[11:53] <Xero> I do multitask a lot.
[11:53] <Reaby> Ljl: fair scheduler
[11:53] <Reaby> you can read a lot from slashdot
[11:53] <Reaby> and / or googling linux fair scheduler
[11:54] <Marfi> how stable is the newest version of ubuntu thus far?
[11:54] <_Jaak_> very
[11:54] <Reaby> well i use it in daily basis, and hasn't crashed a single time.
[11:54] <Reaby> ofc i shutdown for night
[11:54] <LjL> Reaby: you mean CFS? isn't that a *disk* scheduler?
[11:55] <LjL> Marfi: i've had a couple of regressions compared to feisty
[11:55] <Marfi> LjL, like?
[11:55] <Xero> I'm gonna reboot and see if this kernel boots any faster (last time I tried it, it did, but the nvidia module refused to load.
[11:55] <Reaby> LjL: only what i know, is something called fair scheduler, don't know anything more, it should give better multi tasking
[11:55] <Reaby> i read it on slashdot some time ago and compiled that new kernel
[11:56] <LjL> Marfi: keyboard-related problems that i experienced in Edgy, but went away in Feisty.  little usplash-related cosmetic things.  three of my KDE apps crashing (though one wasn't in Feisty, so it's not a regression)
[11:56] <_Jaak_> Marfi, if you're waiting till the release you're in for a surprise! it has so many great new stuff! i couldn't wait!
[11:56] <Marfi> which KDE apps? the only one i really use is amarok
[11:57] <Marfi> _Jaak_, i can't wait until its out. =)
[11:57] <Marfi> i haven't used it, and wanted to do an upgrade to see how it is
[11:57] <_Jaak_> 3 weeks to go
[11:58] <Marfi> how do i upgrade to gutsy?
[11:58] <_Jaak_> it's gonna be like spitting in billy gates face and saying 'you should be getting scared by now, check this release out'
[11:59] <Marfi> i've been using ubuntu since dapper
[11:59] <Marfi> not too long: but for me, long enough that gates can shove a penguin up his ass. =)
[11:59] <_Jaak_> marfi, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe5
[12:00] <Reaby> you can also upgrade it from feisty..
[12:00] <Reaby> just edit /etc/apt/sources.list all feity to gutsy
[12:00] <Reaby> and run upgrade manager
[12:01] <Reaby> but it's maybe safer to download cd image and give fresh install
[12:01] <gnomefreak> much safer atm
[12:01] <gnomefreak> grab daily cd
[12:01] <gnomefreak> Reaby: manully updgrade WILL break his system
[12:02] <Reaby> gnomefreak: ok
[12:02] <bastid_raZor> just wait till the upgrade is available next month. then dist-upgrade
[12:02] <gnomefreak> update-manager if you get the one in feisty-updates (or feisty-proposed) will work but no other versions of that will work
[12:03] <gnomefreak> i just did a clean install while testing beta ISO's and they work like a charm (you get all the little things upgrading would make you miss)
[12:03] <bastid_raZor> they'll be a how-to giving details i'm sure.
[12:03] <gnomefreak> bastid_raZor: once released there will be
[12:03] <gnomefreak> there is one sort of now
[12:04] <Xero> The boot is indeed faster, but it had to fsck the first time, so that doesn't count.
[12:04] <Reaby> Xero: did you time it ?
[12:04] <Xero> Reaby, yes.
[12:04] <gnomefreak> Xero: only once? there is a bug that every reboot fscks
[12:04] <Xero> gnomefreak, only once.
[12:04] <gnomefreak> info on upgrading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta
[12:05] <Reaby> gnomefreak: you got connections to gnome dev?
[12:05] <Xero> lol hot damn firefox in 4 seconds
[12:05] <gnomefreak> you really are best off clean install
[12:05] <_Jaak_> Marfi, i would wait to for the update
[12:05] <bur[n] e1> what's so different in a clean install?
[12:05] <_Jaak_> just wait a bit
[12:05] <bastid_raZor> gnomefreak: yeah, i'm going to wait til the release then follow the how-to
[12:05] <gnomefreak> Reaby: i know some gnome devs most ubuntu devs some suse and fedora devs
[12:06] <Reaby> gnomefreak: what is best place to give a wish, so it could be also head ?
[12:06] <Reaby> heard
[12:06] <gnomefreak> bur[n] e1: upgrading diesnt give you compiz by default it doesnt give you the quick switch and desktop search on panel
[12:06] <gnomefreak> Reaby: for what?
[12:06] <_Jaak_> the best thing is that the bug not showing the icon of my SD card in nautilus is fixed! haha! Love those icons!
[12:06] <bur[n] e1> Reaby: launchpad or bugzilla :)
[12:06] <Reaby> don't know
[12:07] <soothsayer> I booted into an older kernel (which I guess was incompatible with the current binary nvidia drivers). The failsafe monitor utility ran and screwed up my display. Now I can't seem to get it back. System->Administration->Screens & Graphics, can be used to fix the resolution but it doesn't persist when I logout.
[12:07] <Reaby> i just wish for easy installation of fonts by using "font book" or similar
[12:07] <gnomefreak> Reaby: it depends do you want itheis new thing in ubuntu or in gnome?
[12:07] <gnomefreak> Reaby: that would go to launchpad.net
[12:07] <bur[n] e1> gnomefreak: anyone ever play with creating rb plugins?
[12:07] <Reaby> gnomefreak: thanks.
[12:07] <gnomefreak> bur[n] e1: i dont
[12:08] <bastid_raZor> only on a fresh install will you get compiz? not even after the release?
[12:08] <bur[n] e1> i've been trying to hack out a python plugin, but the api documentation is a bit lacking for my n00bie coding
[12:08] <gnomefreak> bastid_raZor: you will get it but do not have the drivers installed when you upgrade and dont have used envy or any other method
[12:09] <bur[n] e1> gnomefreak: oh yeah, you're a mozilla releaser!  Ok, know anything about building songbird?  or do you have a repo with it/
[12:09] <gnomefreak> bastid_raZor: right now clean install click on restricted-manager and enable your drivers (for most cards) and it adds to xorg.conf and enable compiz for you
[12:09] <gnomefreak> bur[n] e1: yes its FTBFS atm
[12:09] <bastid_raZor> so i should remove compiz-fusion (--purge?) prior to upgrading once released
[12:09] <gnomefreak> bur[n] e1: i have it on to do list
[12:10] <bur[n] e1> wow, ftbfs?  that's new to me, but glad to hear it's on the docket!
[12:10] <Xero> The rt kernel actually does help slightly with my Compiz FPS.
[12:10] <gnomefreak> bastid_raZor: you can do it any way you see best. removing packages that were not installed from official repos before upgrading will only help you
[12:10] <Xero> It used to be about 50 all the time, now it runs around 70 when not rotating the cube.
[12:10] <rathel> lol My home folder seems to be freezing whatever application I use to browse it..
[12:11] <bastid_raZor> ok
[12:11] <bur[n] e1> rathel: try removing thumbs.db ?
[12:11] <gnomefreak> bur[n] e1: right now the state its in building it the debain way fails you can grab source and build it that way without the debian dir. it should build
[12:11] <bur[n] e1> er... sorry, .thumbnails ;)
[12:11] <bastid_raZor> amaranth isn't official last i thought..
[12:11] <gnomefreak> bur[n] e1: problem atm is its huge , it ships with xulrunner source
[12:11] <bur[n] e1> gnomefreak: no worries, I know how to run songbird, but I'm hoping to spread it to the masses (aka everyone i've told to use linux)
[12:12] <gnomefreak> bastid_raZor: no if you are on feisty and compiz* its not official
[12:12] <gnomefreak> bur[n] e1: we are hoping to get it in hardy
[12:12] <bur[n] e1> right on, it'll prolly get good by then ;)
[12:12] <bastid_raZor> okay.. understood
[12:12] <crdlb> bastid_raZor, amaranth's repo is designed to safely upgrade to gutsy
[12:12] <gnomefreak> right now other things are taking the top priority slots
[12:12] <gnomefreak> crdlb: are you sure?
[12:12] <crdlb> yes
[12:13] <crdlb> gnomefreak, that was about 90% of the reason Amaranth made that repo :)
[12:13] <bastid_raZor> when the official how-to comes out.. that is all i'll need :)
[12:13] <bur[n] e1> gnomefreak: totally understandable.  songbird isn't really "mature" yet anyway
[12:13] <Tecumseh> hi there, I've recently upgraded to gutsy and I'm playing a bit with it. Network sharing should be easier now but I can't get it running
[12:13] <gnomefreak> bur[n] e1: nope not yet
[12:13] <crdlb> because the same cannot be said for trevinho's repo
[12:13] <Tecumseh> I have added a network share and I'm trying to connect to it from a windows machine
[12:13] <bur[n] e1> Tecumseh: define "network sharing"   samba?  nfs?  something else
[12:13] <bur[n] e1> awww, samba
[12:14] <gnomefreak> trevinhos repo has always had broken packages and upgrading alway failed
[12:14] <bur[n] e1> Tecumseh: did you add a samba user via "smbpasswd -a username" from a terminal?
[12:14] <gnomefreak> he doesnt take care of his repo like he should
[12:14] <Tecumseh> shared folders through smb
[12:14] <Tecumseh> nope bur[n] e1, didn't do that because in gutsy it would have been easier to do
[12:15] <bur[n] e1> Tecumseh: i'd say it's not :)
[12:15] <bur[n] e1> is that "supposed" to be different in gutsy?  I was unaware there was any work on this
[12:15] <gnomefreak> crdlb: is he going to make it so compiz for kde is removed at upgrade?
[12:15] <crdlb> what do you mean?
[12:16] <gnomefreak> kubuntu gutsy will not have compiz for it
[12:16] <crdlb> every package in his repo has a gutsy counterpart
[12:16] <gnomefreak> kubuntu is waiting for kwin in kde4 to get d-e
[12:16] <crdlb> right, but they've already installed compiz, so I guess they would keep it
[12:17] <gnomefreak> didnt know if it was no default or no packages he didnt explain that in blog
[12:17] <crdlb> !info compiz-kde gutsy
[12:17] <ubotu> compiz-kde: OpenGL window and compositing manager - KDE window decorator. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.5.2+git20070918-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 88 kB, installed size 228 kB
[12:18] <gnomefreak> crdlb: its there now yes but this came out during our freeze so they couldnt be removed anyway
[12:18] <gnomefreak> so i guess its keep packages turn off default?
[12:20] <soothsayer> Can anyone tell me why my resolution settings don't persist across logins?
[12:20] <crdlb> gnomefreak, it'll basically be the same as it was in feisty for kubuntu users
[12:20] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:20] <crdlb> they have to install it manually
[12:24] <Tecumseh> bur[n] e1: I apparantly made a false assumption on that
[12:25] <Tecumseh> given the fact that overall usability has improved a lot and that folder sharing is now run through the system menu's I figured all terminal configuration work would be automated as well
[12:27] <scipio> hi. is the tribe 5 the latest version available for download or there is a beta out already?
[12:27] <siriusnova> maniacmusician:
[12:27] <siriusnova> err
[12:27] <siriusnova> mt
[12:27] <siriusnova> man compiling gnu octave is such a pain
[12:27] <siriusnova> :/
[12:28] <Pici> scipio: T5 is the latest, Beta is supposed to be relased tomorrow if you don't mind waiting to download.
[12:28] <scipio> ah thanks
[12:30] <Reaby> wish added to launchpad. hopefully it get's heard
[12:31] <Pici> You only get three, so I hope it was used well ;)
[12:31] <Reaby> hehe
[12:31] <siriusnova> GNU/Buntu
[12:31] <siriusnova> right?
[12:31] <siriusnova> ;)
[12:32] <darkstar> Hello folks. Just installed i386 of gutsy-development: Once logged into gnome I went through major distribution upgrade (850+ pkgs) plus moved to X86_64 branch (?) now compiz-fusion does not draw windows borders, though showing desktop effects... Any clues?
[12:33] <Reaby> darkstar: try to change theme from appearance
[12:33] <Pici> darkstar: You moved to x86_64 but install the i386????
[12:33] <Reaby> it helps some times
[12:33] <Pici> s/install/installed
[12:33] <darkstar> Reaby: done doesn't work
[12:33] <Reaby> damn.
[12:33] <ffm> Has the beta been released yet?
[12:33] <riotkitt1e> i wonder if my wireless will be less tempermental in the beta. or more importantly, the final.
[12:34] <riotkitt1e> ffm: tomorrow
[12:34] <darkstar> Pici: I installed i386 on a 64b but when asked to install upgrades synaptic decided to do a distribution upgrade and moved it all to x86_64:
[12:34] <ffm> but it is already tomorrow.
[12:35] <Pici> darkstar: upgrade or from scratch?
[12:35] <Pici> ffm: it'll be out when its done.
[12:35] <ffm> riotkitt1e: day is the 27th, is it not?
[12:35] <Tecumseh> ffm: depends on what part of the world you live in ;)
[12:35] <riotkitt1e> to be completely honest, i dont know what day it is.
[12:36] <Reaby> yep, it's 27.
[12:36] <darkstar> Pici: waddaya mean? I accepted to install proposed upgrades and ended up doping a distribution ugrade (850+ packages)
[12:36] <riotkitt1e> oh. lookie. its up there on my panel.
[12:36] <riotkitt1e> and the 26th.
[12:36] <soothsayer> Where does Preferences -> Screen Resolution save it's settings?
[12:37] <Pici> darkstar: Did you do an upgrade from feisty?
[12:37] <darkstar> Isn't there an add-on to fix my issue in the OPTIONS section of xorg.conf?
[12:37] <Vorian> anyone using FireFox 3?
[12:37] <darkstar> Nope, freshly installed gutsy from cd
[12:39] <Pici> Vorian: I ran it for a bit.
[12:39] <Pici> darkstar: Okay, just curious.
[12:39] <Vorian> Pici, ok :)
[12:40] <Pici> Vorian: It was still a bit buggy.
[12:40] <Pici> And none of the extensions I need were compatible.
[12:40] <darkstar> Pici: this is going to drive me nuts! its 00:40 and I need to get compiz-fusion working...
[12:40] <scizzo-> darkstar: why do you _need_ to get it working?
[12:41] <darkstar> scizzo-: same as why not?
[12:42] <Pici> darkstar: Is it working at all or just no window borders?
[12:42] <n0yd> Will canonicals commerical repository be updated for gutsy, before final release?
[12:42] <darkstar> Pici: just no windows borders: Animations and cube rotations work fine
[12:43] <scizzo-> darkstar: try to start it from a terminal with compiz --replace
[12:43] <Pici> darkstar: Is the window decorations setting in ccsm on?
[12:43] <h1st0> n0yd: you may want to ask canonical
[12:43] <darkstar> Pici: ccsm?
[12:43] <n0yd> heh
[12:43] <Pici> darkstar: compizconfig-settings-manager
[12:43] <n0yd> Got a 800 number? :-P
[12:46] <darkstar> Pici: just want to try adding Section "Extensions"    Option "Composite" EndSection to xorg.conf
[12:46] <darkstar> going to restart serever: brb
[12:47] <sin1> At this point which is more stable Tribe 5 or the most current daily-builds?
[12:47] <Pici> darkstar: If the cube and everything is working that shouldnt effect it...
[12:48] <darkstar> Uhmmm . So what is it? Anyways added the section to the xorg.conf want to check this out : will be right back (hopefully) :D
[12:50] <sin1> Anyone here know if Tribe 5 is more stable than the current daily builds?
[12:51] <scizzo-> a lot of updates since tribe 5 came
[12:51] <bl4ckfl4m3> so how much trouble/luck has people had with gusty?
[12:51] <scizzo-> it works....
[12:52] <scizzo-> :P
[12:52] <bl4ckfl4m3> lol
[12:52] <sin1> I just had some trouble with the new "screen and graphics" section activating dual monitors
[12:52] <bl4ckfl4m3> does restricted drivers cover more grpahics cards
[12:52] <bl4ckfl4m3> ahh i was going to get a second monitor and was skeptikal about that
[12:52] <scizzo-> I am using geforce 8800 GTS and xinerama with dual monitors
[12:53] <bl4ckfl4m3> skeptical*
[12:53] <sin1> as soon as I activated my second monitor both went to 680 res and I couldn't go back until I manually edited the xorg file
[12:53] <bl4ckfl4m3> ok im running an 8600GT and an 8600M on the laptop
[12:53] <bl4ckfl4m3> 8600Gt (desktop)
[12:53] <sin1> i have a 7800 nvidia GS
[12:54] <bl4ckfl4m3> sin1: you just added the resloutions to xorg.conf?
[12:54] <sin1> ya, I changed the monitors from 680 res to normal
[12:54] <bl4ckfl4m3> ok
[12:54] <sin1> in xorg yes
[12:54] <bl4ckfl4m3> i had to do that manually too on the laptop
[12:55] <bl4ckfl4m3> on the desktop im running the x86 version i dunno if that made a difference but it automatically added all the resolutions
[12:55] <h1st0> There is no need for that anymore in gusty
[12:55] <darkstar> back::
[12:55] <h1st0> they have a better dual monitor and screen resolution setup
[12:55] <bl4ckfl4m3> sweet
[12:56] <sin1> ya I was so happy they finally added a practical way to control a second monitor
[12:57] <sin1> I hated always having to save to xorg to get separate X screens
[12:57] <bl4ckfl4m3> i havent messed with dual monitors in linux yet, but that sounds painful
[12:57] <bl4ckfl4m3> lol
[12:57] <sin1> lol.. ya
[12:58] <sin1> has anyone install GL desktop for compiz-fusion?
[12:58] <bl4ckfl4m3> yeah
[12:58] <bastid_raZor> i have dual monitors working in feisty and yes it was pain.
[12:58] <bl4ckfl4m3> i tried it because beryl took too long on the laptop
[12:58] <sin1> do you have any trouble starting it?
[12:58] <bl4ckfl4m3> im running fiesty not gusty
[12:58] <sin1> i see
[12:58] <bl4ckfl4m3> yeah i read for hours about replacing it with metacity
[12:58] <bl4ckfl4m3> it was a mess
[12:59] <sin1> for some reason I have to start GL twice for it to actually start
[12:59] <bl4ckfl4m3> like mine starts at boot with configuring anything
[12:59] <bl4ckfl4m3> there was just some things i didnt like about it
[12:59] <sin1> or to get the control panel is what I mean
[12:59] <bl4ckfl4m3> im using metacity on the laptop and Beryl on the desktop
[01:00] <bl4ckfl4m3> its under system>preferences
[01:00] <bl4ckfl4m3> and then you can add a taskbar icon thingy
[01:00] <bl4ckfl4m3> brb guys
[01:05] <SpudDogg> can anyone here answer a c++ coding question for me?  i want my program to open and run a command in a new terminal window.  is that even possible?  i know this is not a c++ channel, but i need some help :/
[01:06] <Pici> SpudDogg: have you tried in #C++?
[01:06] <SpudDogg> Pici, nope.  i didnt know it existed.  thanks
[01:06] <Pici> SpudDogg: sorry, ##c++
[01:07] <SpudDogg> Pici, yea, it sent me there automatically.  thanks man
[01:11] <sin1> which is better Tribe 5 or the most curretn daily builds?
[01:12] <Xero> current daily
[01:12] <Xero> !preempt
[01:12] <sin1> cool, thanks
[01:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about preempt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:12] <Xero> !preemptive kernel
[01:13] <kingofnic> does anyone know when openoffice 2.3 will be in the repositories? still rc1 there.
[01:16] <sin1> is GL Desktop the only way to edit options in compiz-fusion?
[01:16] <RAOF> No.  You want compizconfig-settings-manager
[01:17] <sin1> ok thats sounds exactly like what im after
[01:17] <sin1> thanks