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savvaszerwas: add it in launchpad, I'll back you up after the upgrade is done01:21
magicrobotmonkeydoes gutsy still use xorg.conf?01:21
RAOFYes.01:21
zerwasmagicrobotmonkey, yes01:22
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magicrobotmonkeyso if i move it aside will it do its autodetect again?01:22
alex-weejyes01:22
savvasmagicrobotmonkey: well.. if you saved the old xorg.conf it would help if you copied it back to /etc/X11/ :)01:23
magicrobotmonkeyheh01:23
magicrobotmonkeyno such luck01:23
savvasyou should make a backup of some stuff when you're playing around01:23
magicrobotmonkeywell, lets see how this goes...01:23
savvasotherwise, a format can be a cruel solution :)01:24
wabiDis there a way to change the menu bar logo in gusty01:24
leroleroccsm01:24
savvaswabiD: locate distributor-logo01:24
RAOFmagicrobotmonkey: Actually "sudo dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg" is probably what you want :)01:25
wabiDthats for the menubar thing on the panel right?01:25
magicrobotmonkeyk thx RAOF01:25
wabiDand i can have it be as wide as i want01:25
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wabiD:/ search didnt find it01:26
savvaswabiD: well.. I believe one of those listed icons is used01:26
savvasimpossible01:26
wabiDsearch is probably broken :)01:26
savvastry sudo update-db && locate distributor-logo01:26
savvasI'll paste it somewhere in the meantime01:27
edgyHi, my /etc/X11/xorg.conf has01:28
edgySection "Device"01:28
edgy        Identifier      "Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller"01:28
edgy        Driver          "intel"01:28
edgyBut xserver-xorg-video-intel is not installed01:28
savvaswabiD: btw, if an update occurs in the tangerine icon package, don't expect your changed files in /usr/ folders to remain as you changed them, so keep a backup somewhere01:28
edgyshould I install it or from where did it get that driver?01:29
savvaswabiD: http://pastebin.ca/raw/71429001:29
wabiDany idea which one is for the menu01:30
wabiDand does it have to be square01:30
savvasedgy: is that an open source driver? check if your graphics controller can be installed from system > admin > restricted drivers manager01:30
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savvaswell.. by the size, i'd say it's 32x3201:31
magicrobotmonkeyoh good it made its own backups01:32
magicrobotmonkeyall set01:32
edgysavvas: the restricted manager doesn't show the graphics controller and yes that one is free01:32
edgysavvas: i don't know whether I need to leave it or change it01:32
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zerwasmy goodness, WebKit is really better than Gecko and firefox01:33
Skwid_hey guys01:33
Skwid_i have problems with my sound controls on gutsy01:33
Skwid_on the keyboard, if i change the volume with the buttons, i get the OSD and the appropriate bar shift, but the actual sound does not change, same for the mute01:33
savvasedgy: I found these two packages, I'm not sure if it's the other one: xserver-xorg-video-i810 - X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver01:33
savvasxserver-xorg-video-intel - X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver01:33
Skwid_if i use the sound volume control in the bar everything works fine01:33
Skwid_I don't really mind, just thought i'd give people a heads up01:34
maccam94i've got a question about the video card blacklist for compiz/desktop effects01:34
edgysavvas: yes both are not installed in my system01:34
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savvasedgy: glxgears work ok?01:36
edgysavvas: yes, I just launched it and it works, what can I check on it?01:36
edgy18684 frames in 5.0 seconds = 3736.762 FPS savvas01:36
savvasif the gears roll fine, with no "cutting", it means the driver works fine01:37
edgysavvas: what do you mean by no cutting? how can I check this?01:37
maccam94glxinfo | grep direct01:37
magicrobotmonkeyi saw that there was a gui to install flash for ff but i cant find it01:37
maccam94edgy: that will tell you if you have DRI working01:37
maccam94which basically means the driver is working01:37
edgymaccam94: direct rendering: Yes01:38
savvas6388 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1271.435 FPS01:38
savvasthis is without the nvidia driver :)01:38
savvasmy guess is that your driver is installed correctly01:38
edgysavvas: if I maximize the window it's 2677 frames in 5.0 seconds = 534.967 FPS01:38
maccam94edgy: you can also try running, or installing and running nvidia-settings01:39
edgyok thanks savvas and maccam94, I would live with it01:39
edgymaccam94: I don't have nvidia, I have intel chipset01:39
savvasmaccam94: no, he has intel :P01:39
maccam94ah01:39
savvasi just made a comparing with mine :)01:39
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maccam94k01:39
maccam94so what was the original issue?01:39
maccam94i'm on an intel graphics card atm01:39
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savvashe has "intel" in xorg.conf, but not installed xserver-xorg-video-intel01:40
maccam94that's just the *new* driver01:41
maccam94the normal one is...01:41
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_siddmaccam94: i810?01:41
maccam94yes01:42
savvasxserver-xorg-video-i740 or xserver-xorg-video-i810 ?01:42
maccam94i81001:42
savvasedgy: check for xserver-xorg-video-i740 or xserver-xorg-video-i810 once more01:42
maccam94i740 is for i740 only chipsets, i810 is for i8xx and i9xx01:42
savvas401:28:08 < edgy>         Identifier      "Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/GMS, 943/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller"01:43
savvas01:28:08 < edgy>         Driver          "intel"01:43
Xero!DKMS01:43
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about dkms - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:43
XeroIs Ubuntu going to have Dell's DKMS soon?01:43
maccam94i think they do already01:43
savvaswhat's that?01:43
savvas:] 01:43
XeroDynamic Kernel Module Something01:43
maccam94dynamic kernel module01:43
maccam94beat me to it01:43
maccam94lol01:44
edgysavvas: I don't know how this happens but when I recheck now both packages are installed I mean the -810 and the -intel! Thanks a lot really01:44
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XeroDubuntu? Nice.01:44
savvasedgy: no probs :)01:44
maccam94and i do think i remember seeing something about dkms when i booted up the first time01:44
XeroThe next computer I get is going to be a Dubuntu.01:44
maccam94(it runs some configuration scripts or something)01:44
savvasso.. what does dkms do?01:45
snadgedell has a custom ver of ubuntu?01:45
savvasdell really created dubuntu? :P01:45
maccam94snadge: sorta01:46
maccam94they customized it a little bit01:46
maccam94and they do now have a remastered cd available for download01:46
maccam94check the direct2dell.com blog for details01:46
Xerosavvas, it's a name.01:46
XeroDubuntu is Dell Ubuntu, not a Dell customized Ubuntu.01:46
XeroDubuntu is any Dell with Ubuntu on it (by this logic, my old Dimension B110 is a Dubuntu)01:47
bastid_raZorheh, sounds like something a stoner came up with01:47
maccam94i bought a dubuntu tho ;-)01:47
maccam94it's the 1420n01:47
Xerobastid_raZor, some guy on the interweb came up with it01:47
Xerohttp://blogs.ittoolbox.com/linux/locutus/archives/dell-and-linux-delnux-or-dubuntu-1604201:47
bastid_raZordelnux heh01:47
maccam94they got stuff like the resolution working, mouse stuff, modem drivers, etc01:48
XeroDubuntu > Delnux.01:48
maccam94they didn't do a perfect job (horizontal scrolling wasn't enabled, some other annoyances) but it works great01:48
bastid_raZori can't wait till gutsy is released.. compiz-fusion is murder after the latest kernel update01:49
maccam94murder as in good or bad?01:49
bastid_raZorfor me.. bad01:49
Xeromurder as in good for me.01:49
=== maccam94 hasn't been able to really test it, the dubuntu's videocard is blacklisted for some reason, and the machine running it has a radeon 7500
XeroI used to get 30FPS on it. Now I get a constant 90 after an NVidia fix.01:49
maccam94i don't really get why it's blacklisted either01:50
bastid_raZori have nvidia 7600 .. but titlebars and such are gone now the update and reboot01:50
maccam94i hacked /usr/bin/compiz and disabled the blacklist, and then compiz --replace worked just fine01:50
savvaslooks like dubuntu is already taken: http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/index.php?linux_distribution=Dubuntu%206.0601:50
savvas:p01:50
Xerohttp://flickr.com/photos/xero2007/ compiz gallery01:51
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XeroThe newest one has a rendering artifact (gnome-screenshot + fire plugin = suxx0r)01:51
bastid_raZorsince the next release with have compiz as default i should have less troubles01:51
maccam94gutsy (admin): Dynamic Kernel Module Support Framework   [universe] 01:52
maccam942.0.17.4-0ubuntu1: all01:52
maccam94Xero: does that answer your dkms question?01:52
savvasXero: compiz or compiz-fusion?01:52
XeroOh mah gawd Dell are has insider spywair01:52
Xerosavvas, Fusion.01:52
maccam94it's in the universe repo, not main :-P01:53
chemturionhey! So I just plugged my laptop into an external moniter, and my screen resolution changed and won't let me change it back. I tried going into both Screen Resolution and Screens and Graphics, no luck01:53
bastid_raZorXero did you have initial problems after the update today/yesterday?01:53
XeroDell are still has spywair01:53
bastid_raZorwith fusion01:53
Xerobastid_raZor, no problems today or yesterday.01:53
bastid_raZordo you use the emerald theme?01:53
Xerobastid_raZor, GTK01:53
chemturionI tried xrandr too, but it won't let me switch01:53
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savvaschemturion: it doesn't let you? no error/information message?01:54
chemturionsavvas: It dosn't have the option for any resolution higher than 640x48001:55
_siddchemturion: intel card?01:55
chemturionno ATI01:55
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savvasdid you install the driver?01:56
chemturionI've been using the non-restricted one fine for about six months01:56
savvaswell I'm out of ideas, maybe someone else can help :] 01:57
maccam94chemturion: have you been using dual screens for the whole time?01:58
maccam94you may need the binary for proper dual screens01:58
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chemturionok01:58
Laibschlooks like hda is now sda for performance reasons.  Does the hda drive in "sda disguise" have dma or is that not necessary anymore?01:58
LaibschThis is not a PATA drive, but an old ATA laptop drive01:59
XeroMine used to be hda, too.01:59
XeroYeah. Mine's IDE. IDE is supposed to be hda, not sda.01:59
chemturionwell  I've removed the second screen and restarted  still no luck01:59
maccam94ubuntu switched all drives to sd* in feisty methinks01:59
hydrogenerr02:00
Laibschhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=294682702:00
Laibschwhich does not answer the dma question02:00
maccam94i think the only thing affected is the name02:00
maccam94all capabilities should be the same02:00
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maccam94use hdparm to list all info about the drive, it should tell you what you want to know02:00
Laibschmaccam94: Should is nice02:03
Laibschdma is neither listed as on or off anymore02:03
LaibschWhich is why I ask if it is still relevant02:03
Laibschhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/11063602:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 110636 in linux-source-2.6.22 "hdparm - cannot set dma on IDE hard drive that works via pata" [Medium,Incomplete] 02:05
maccam94Laibsch: so you did hdparm -I /dev/sd??02:05
maccam94hm, well i guess the bug would explain it...02:06
Laibschmaccam94: I did "hdparm /dev/sda" without the -i02:06
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maccam94-I makes it list everything it knows about the drive02:06
maccam94very useful02:06
maccam94and fyi, hdparm /dev/sda on my system says nothing about dma02:07
maccam94however hdparm -I /dev/sda says it's enabled02:07
chemturionOk so If I change the resolution in Screens and Graphics and hit Test, it changes, and then I hit "Keep Configuration" and it reverts back to the 680 x 48002:08
savvas03:00.0 IDE interface: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. Unknown device 6121 (rev b1) <- my PATA hard drive :P02:09
maccam94chemturion: what are the other option(s)02:09
chemturioncancel02:09
maccam94have you tried then saving the settings in screens and graphics?02:09
maccam94instead of doing test, just closing/applying it?02:09
maccam94Laibsch: you need to pass the -I (capital i)02:10
maccam94i just double checked on my ancient laptop that's running gutsy02:10
chemturionok so Instead of just OK/Apply I saved the profile02:11
chemturionstill nothing02:11
maccam94maybe you still have to restart X after doing that...02:11
maccam94you shouldn't have to, but you might02:12
chemturionok one sec02:12
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lerolerosupah02:12
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griznokhi people02:17
maccam94hi02:17
leperkhanzbuenos dias.02:17
griznoktoo late... I should have read the Topic02:18
griznoklol02:18
=== leperkhanz is still having numerous crashes and problems, and no direct rendering.
leperkhanzand no 3d apps under wine.02:18
Skwid_how do you guys print multiple pages per page ?02:18
leperkhanzand bad fps under native 3d apps.02:18
griznokhas anyone managed to get an ATI 9600 to do the desktop effects thing yet?02:18
RAOFleperkhanz: You're using Xgl, right?02:19
maccam94griznok: what driver are you using?02:19
leperkhanzRAOF: Yep.02:19
RAOFleperkhanz: Although I don't get bad 3d performance on native games.02:19
leperkhanz10 fps in quake 3. lol02:19
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griznokthe default Gutsy one I guess02:19
griznoklet me see...02:19
RAOFleperkhanz: So, no direct rendering is normal, no 3d under wine is due to a wine bug.02:20
leperkhanzI see.02:20
leperkhanz10 fps under quake 3?02:20
leperkhanznative?02:20
ConstyXIVhas anyone else run into a bug where your computer tries to commit seppuku?02:20
leperkhanzI get +5 fps under compiz... lol02:20
leperkhanzfor a grand total of FIFTEEN fps.02:20
griznokmaccam94: the Proprietary one02:20
RAOFleperkhanz: Well, the games in the repositories run fine for me.02:20
leperkhanzhmmm02:21
leperkhanzYou tried Urban Terror?02:21
leperkhanzIt's not in the repos.02:21
RAOFNo.02:21
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leperkhanzBut it is a GREAT game, and is linux native.02:21
leperkhanzg2g... c u later.02:21
ConstyXIVspeaking of games, is there a .deb for Enemy Territory?02:21
chemturionmaccam94: Thanks I restarted and it worked02:21
maccam94chemturion: glad to hear it02:22
ConstyXIVWolfET, not Quake Wars of course02:22
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griznokactually, got another question... about Truecrypt and gutsy02:23
lerolerocompiz is so awesome, it makes me cry sometimes.02:23
griznoklol02:24
griznokI had it working great under Fiesty.. now I'm just plain crying02:24
leroleroi just ran starcraft, using wine, sent a zerg rush and started playing with the cube.02:24
lerolerogriznok: keybinding problems ?02:25
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zetheroowhat is Gutsy going to do for us who use Pocket PC's?02:25
zetherooIs there something like ActiveSync coming our way?02:25
griznoklerolero: nope, just I dont understand how to get the desktop effects to work...02:25
leroleromust have some Guts to run it on pocket pc02:26
ConstyXIVis there a fix for the "ghosts" that show up in 3d games when you have compiz running?02:26
lerolerogriznok: they're enabled by default.02:26
griznokerr...02:26
lerolero:~02:26
zetherooanyone?02:26
lerolerosorry. too obvious ? :~02:26
griznokwell how about how do I disable them (?)02:27
leroleropkill compiz; metacity --replace ?02:27
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griznokI mean, the "proper" way02:27
leroleroi had to do that, cuz the gnome settings stuff is not working here.02:27
griznokif there is such a thing02:27
griznokahhh.. ok02:27
RAOFgriznok: System->preferences->apperance->desktop effects->No effecs02:27
lerolerobut it should be System -> Preferences -> Gl Desktop02:27
RAOFlerolero: No.  Not unless he's got the (old, unmaintained, probably doesn't work) gnome-compiz-manager package installed.02:28
griznokRAOF: thanks mate.. unfortunately, nothing happens when I click on the Desktop Effects tab there02:28
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RAOFgriznok: You mean, you don't see a tab?02:29
leroleroRAOF: you're right. I had that installed and got some trouble.02:29
griznokRAOF: I see a tab called: Visual Effects...02:29
griznokRAOF: if I click on it.. nothing happens besides the window sortof dying02:30
RAOFgriznok: Ooh.  Yeah.  Name change.  That's what you're after.02:30
RAOFgriznok: Ah.  Bug filing time!02:30
griznokoO02:30
griznokright then02:30
lerolerooh, the joy of beta testing...02:30
griznoklol :) when is the release supposed to be comming out?02:30
lerolerooctober ?02:31
ConstyXIVgriznok: october 28 IIRC02:31
griznokfeels like they're cutting it pretty close02:31
leroleroone whole month...02:31
leroleroi wonder how's it in microsoft...02:31
griznokI had quite a few crashes... and I'm pretty much a noob02:32
griznoki.e. didn't mess with any of the cooler stuff02:32
leroleroit went real smooth here, except the keyboard stuff.02:32
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griznokI guess it depends on your hardware.. I've got an ATI (shudder) and an AMD 64-bit old mobo02:33
leroleromee too, but i don't wanna mess with 64 bits stuff.02:34
leroleronot on my desktop.02:34
griznokthen again, I did an upgrade from a pretty-much working fiesty - not a clean install02:34
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griznokoh cool... I just typed in "compiz --replace" and ... it worked!02:36
griznoklol02:36
lerolerogotta love when it works...02:36
griznokabsolutely02:36
leperkhan1Yeah, it works, but it crashes all the time.02:37
leperkhan1But it's DAMNED pretty.02:37
griznok:)02:37
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griznoknow all I need to do is find some themes to mess about with... Emerald doesn't have any installed02:37
ConstyXIVcompiz works flawlessly for me02:39
ConstyXIVyesterday it had some glitch where the panel wouldn't show at boot unless i switched desktops, but an update fixed that02:39
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Vissudhello..I recently updated to the latest nvidia drivers, and now X won't recogonize my external lcd when I'm docked..any ideas?02:39
griznokamazing... now I have emerald themes installed... I'm on a roll here :))02:40
ConstyXIVVissud: haven't tried myself, but see if you can enable it in the screens config02:40
ConstyXIVsupposed to work wonders for dual monitor setups02:40
Say10Problem: no default mixer installed, i do have sound though. only sound not working is flash, have googled problem with no resolve.02:41
m1keDoes Gutsy have text to speech software?02:41
ConstyXIVm1ke: flite, but it's console only02:42
ConstyXIVprobably a gui somewhere if you need it02:42
m1keis that the only software? How good is it?02:43
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griznokso much for stability :( had to reboot02:48
griznokhas anyone had any luck in using truecrypt under gutsy?02:49
ConstyXIVhow do you set up emerald to be your decorator?02:49
griznokI think you type "emerald --replace" (??)02:49
XeroConstyXIV, if m1ke wants it that badly, he can get kttsd, since that's the only tts gui in ubuntu02:50
ConstyXIVbut you have to type that in every time.  i'm talking about replacing the standard decorator02:50
RAOFgriznok: No, but the alternate CD now allows you to install onto a dm_crypt root.02:50
XeroConstyXIV, I would put it in the "sessions" preferences02:50
Xerostartup programs02:51
m1keuse ksayit front end?02:51
XeroSystem>Preferences>Sessions02:51
griznokRAOF: I guess I need to see what dm_crypt is02:51
XeroUh oh.02:52
griznokI found some blog that explained how to recompile the kernel and truecrypt source...02:52
griznokI got a whole bunch of errors02:52
RAOFgriznok: No point, I think, unless you need to be able to read the encrypted disc on Windows.02:53
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griznokRAOF: actually, I have volume I created under fiesty... was just trying to see if I could read it02:54
m1kewhere do  i get actual voices from?02:54
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fedefede0101hi guys..is there anyone??02:55
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spasticteapotDunno.02:55
jimfedefede0101: there isn't anywone02:55
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jimthere might be some ones02:56
fedefede0101oh :) good02:56
spasticteapotAnyone know what's causing the big that makes it impossible to adjust screen brightness?02:56
spasticteapotAnd why my battery life sucks so bad?02:56
sebastian_hey guys ... has anybody had the problem with the ubuntu whole day appointments showing a day off in the gnome calendar? it's only been happening in gutsy02:56
griznokAnyone might know, but someone doesnt02:56
griznok:P02:56
jimspasticteapot: current * voltage * time02:56
spasticteapotsebastian_: Woah. How'd they do that?02:56
fedefede0101I've dist-upgraded to gutsy today02:56
spasticteapotjim: Let me rephrase that.02:56
fedefede0101everything works fine...I think02:56
spasticteapotWhy is my laptop not using power-saving features to reduce current draw?02:57
fedefede0101but if I put vga=791 into grub02:57
sebastian_spasticteapot: i wouldn't know :D02:57
jim(btw... that's one formula for energy transfer)02:57
fedefede0101I can't see anything :(02:57
fedefede0101is this a known bug...??02:57
fedefede0101it's really strange...never happened sth like that :(02:58
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fedefede0101sorry for my english by the way :)02:58
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fedefede0101I think it's not a known bug...maybe I've done sth wrong :(03:00
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maccam94is there a reason ubuntu's servers are so slow lately?03:01
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Xeromaccam94, wfm.03:01
maccam94i usually get 350KB/s, but on the updates i'm only getting ~50KB/s03:01
sebastian_ok i fixed it ... it turns out that evolution has its own time-zone settings ...03:04
sebastian_so the time zone of evolution didn't match the gnome time-zome03:04
sebastian_and gnome seems to bold the date on which an appointment starts rather than ends03:05
fedefede0101K... I will try a new fresh install on my laptop tomorrow03:09
fedefede0101maybe I missed something03:09
fedefede0101:(03:09
fedefede0101bye03:09
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amxany idea why my /boot partition fails to mount after my upgrade to gutsy?03:13
Laibsc1amx: "grep boot /etc/fstab"03:14
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amxUUID=d3767e4c-a821-47e5-a88d-863ed0d8635e /boot ext3 defaults 0 203:14
amx /boot is a regular partition, and / is an LVM2 partition03:15
hydrogenwhat does mount /boot do ?03:15
hydrogener03:15
hydrogensudo mount /boot03:15
amxmount: /dev/hda5 already mounted or /boot busy03:15
amxI had the same problem with another regular partition on another disk03:16
hydrogenmount | grep /boot03:16
amxnothing03:16
hydrogenis there anyting in /boot currently?03:17
XeroI heard some guy pronounce ubuntu "uh-boont-uh"03:17
amxI looked around a bit and there seems to be some weird stuff under /dev/mapper03:17
Xeroisn't it "oo-boon-too"?03:17
hydrogenuBUTu03:17
hydrogenuBUTnoo03:17
hydrogeni don't know!03:17
amxhydrogen: yeah, a couple of file due to new linux-images packages03:17
XeroGah! My messengers all got d/c'ed.03:18
amxthe weird thing is that my regular partitions show up under /dev/mapper, which I though was only for LVM stuff03:18
amxalthough all the links are just pointing to themselves03:19
amxfor my other partition (hdb1) that I couldn't mount, I was able to mount after doing 'sudo dmsetup remove hdb1'03:22
amxbut no such luck for my /boot partition03:22
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amxhmm, sounds a bit similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/14459503:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 144595 in ubuntu "lvm device mapper devs are symlinks to themselves" [Undecided,Confirmed] 03:30
slackernI've got a Creative Labs SB Audigy LS in this machine and if i press volume up/down on my keyboard it adjusts IEC958 Center/LFE instead of Analog Front gnome-volume-control, any ideas how to change it to the correct one?03:31
slackernIt should be "Analog Front in gnome-volume-control"03:31
hydrogenyou probably need to set the "master channel"03:31
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slackernhydrogen, ahh any idea where i might do that?03:32
hydrogenslackern: I could tell you if you were using kmix03:32
hydrogenbut no idea with g-v-c03:32
hydrogentry right clicking on the tray applet03:32
slackerni got kde install too so got kmix up now03:32
n0ydDoes anyone know if epiphany in Gutsy has been compiled with WebKitGtk backend support?  Or did they decide to leave it out, and if so, if anyone knows of a Epiphany package for ubuntu that has WebKit enabled....03:33
hydrogenlast I played with webkit it was far from usable03:34
n0ydIt's plenty usable now03:34
n0ydNot that I would care either way, it's for development purposes that I want it.03:35
n0ydI just don't feel like compiling it tonight03:35
slackernhydrogen, ahh i found it now, im braindead i think maybe i should have looked in system->prefs->sound :)03:36
nomasteryodalol03:36
slackernhydrogen, i thought i could access all the settings through the mixer but that was not the case :)03:36
slackernall sorted out now atleast03:36
slackernAlways like that, you have it right in front of you all the time but you can't see it03:37
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DSMastercan someone help me with a Internet problemon Tribe 5?03:45
DSMasterproblem on*03:45
spasticteapotDSMaster: maybe?03:48
DSMasterI can't get the network working at alll03:48
DSMasterEthernet, Wlan, nothing03:48
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DSMasterI may just have to reinstall Ubuntu03:49
DSMasterbut I'm hopingnot03:49
DSMastergot gfx working beautifully03:50
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newcarwhere can i check witch parameters i can pass to a module with modproble?03:54
RAOFnewcar: modinfo <modulename> often provides such information.03:55
newcarnice, thx03:55
DSMasterand ideas on getting internet working again?03:55
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DSMasterany*03:57
spasticteapotDsMaster: Well, I'm not quite sure what's wrong.03:58
DSMastermyinternet won't work03:58
spasticteapotI've had some glitches with network-manager.03:58
DSMasterI haen't done anything on it in a few weks03:58
spasticteapotTry using ifconfig or iwconfig.03:58
VousDeux!java03:59
ubotuTo install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre03:59
DSMastersome helpful commnds pleas?03:59
VousDeux!64-bit java03:59
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about 64-bit java - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:59
slackernI had to do 'sudo dhclient eth0' for a couple of days since the networkmanager didn't seem to do it properly, but i no longer have that problem03:59
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slackernsorry that last one was to DSMaster, getting tired here :=04:00
VousDeux!blackdown04:01
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about blackdown - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:01
DSMaster??04:01
DSMasterah.04:01
DSMasterI'll give that a shot04:01
DSMasterexcept mine's a Wlan04:02
DSMasterso isn't it wlan0?04:02
slackernOh you are using wifi?04:02
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DSMasteryes04:02
spasticteapotIwconfig works for all wifi.04:02
slackernI have no idea about how wifi works in linux at all im afraid04:02
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spasticteapotFor example: sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid (your essid here)04:02
spasticteapotslackern: type "man iwconfig" in the command line.04:03
DSMasterit's WPA04:03
DSMasterlol04:03
spasticteapotNo, I'm not one of the pricks trying to tell you to fix things with "ALT F4"04:03
Vissudgah, this is killing me..X continues to run only on my close lcd screen of my laptop, while the vt's run on the xternal monitor..grr04:03
DSMasterlol04:03
VousDeuxis anyone else having trouble installing java plugin?04:03
DSMasterno04:03
DSMastergo to a java page and have firefox instl it04:03
DSMasterit worked for me04:04
VousDeuxoh, I should have mentioned 64-bit java04:04
Vissudanyone know of a way to tell why X won't use a particxular screen, or if it can even see it?04:04
DSMastershould still work on that same way04:04
DSMaster-on04:04
VousDeuxthe blackdown site doesn't seem to be responding04:04
DSMaster-that04:04
DSMasterthe*04:04
gnomefreakVousDeux: nspluginwrapper allows you to use java with 64bit04:05
gnomefreaksame with flash (but i still perfer gnash) ;)04:06
VousDeuxhmm...any idea when native support might be expected?04:06
VousDeuxthe flash seems to be working for me04:06
newcarwhere can i edit witch modules are autoloaded?04:06
RAOF /etc/modules04:06
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gnomefreakVousDeux: right now its the closest you can get, but i will see about heron its too late in devel cycle afaik but i will talk to java main maintainer04:07
newcarsorry for all the questions, im starting with linux modules hackin and stuff04:07
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VousDeuxalright...thanks for the response04:07
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gnomefreakif you read planet.ubuntu.com when i find out if we can do it ill blog about it04:08
newcaranyone here have experience with joydev module?04:10
VousDeuxMozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.8.1.6) Gecko/20070919 Ubuntu/7.10 (gutsy) Firefox/2.0.0.604:10
VousDeuxFlash seems to be working just fine on this.04:11
Vissud304:12
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musikgoatlooking to file a bug or add to it,  but i'm not sure if there is already a bug filed.   when resuming from standby, the system hangs with a blank black screen and the word Linu towards the top.   The only way to get past this is to tap on the keys a bunch of times until the system loads my login.   Any suggestions on what I should do?04:13
philiphow do I find out the app that's thrashing my HD?04:13
musikgoattoshiba a105 with intel chipset04:13
RAOFphilip: echo trackerd :(04:13
philipRAOF, what do you mean? that doesn't do anything04:16
crdlbheh04:17
musikgoatnvm, i found the filed bug report04:19
philipnothing is even running and the hard drive just runs like a mad man04:20
RAOFphilip: I mean, that will echo to the console what's doing all the disc i/o.04:20
RAOFphilip: It's going to be either trackerd or updatedb.04:20
philipit's trackerd04:21
RAOFIndeed.04:21
RAOFYay trackerd04:21
philipRAOF but if I do "echo RAOF" it would return RAOF so04:21
RAOF:)04:21
RAOFphilip: No, what I meant was "trackerd is almost certainly what's thrashing your disc"04:22
philipah ok haha04:22
philipI thought you wanted me to type "echo trackerd" into the console04:23
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philipRAOF, I just kill -9 trackerd and the IO stopped yay04:24
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newcaranyone knows vojtech@ucw.cz?04:28
newcarVojtech Pavlik04:28
newcari need to contact him ^^04:29
newcarwell, i know, ill e-mail him04:29
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mon^rchI am using this awesome program called "alltray" but it wont work while compiz is enabled... too bad, hunh?04:37
mon^rchwas very lpeased to find out that I can run opengl apps and games with compiz, however04:39
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sparri hate broken software DURING an upgrade04:42
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Tm_TI have two hands and one mouth04:45
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hydrogenfreak.04:45
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Tm_Thydrogen: I know04:46
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sparrbroken software after an upgrade i can handle04:50
sparrthats to be expected04:50
sparrbut its quite different for something to be working before the upgrade, broken during the upgrade, and working after the upgrade04:50
Tm_Tsounds fun04:50
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twbGood day.  What version of GNOME will Gutsy ship with?04:56
crdlbtwb, 2.2004:56
nomasteryoda2.20 or so is what i have now04:56
RAOF2.20 (or maybe 2.20.1, or another bugfix release)04:56
twbThank you.04:56
nomasteryodaits good stuff04:56
RAOFAnd Hardy will ship with 2.22 :).  And Ubuntu+2 will ship with 2.24, etc :)04:57
hydrogenerr04:57
hydrogenhardy is ubuntu+204:57
hydrogenyou mean ubuntu+304:57
RAOFQuite true.04:58
hydrogenplus04:58
twbSurely it would be Feisty+304:58
hydrogengnome is dead!04:58
slackerndid they do something in gutsy with subpixel smoothing? maybe its my imagination but the fonts look so much better now04:58
hydrogenso04:58
twbOtherwise Ubuntu+N is temporally visceral04:58
RAOFslackern: Yes.04:58
sparrany heroes fans in the room?  im watching the new season premier, and im confused.  theres a bunch of flashbacks at the beginning, but im seeing a lot of things that i dont remember from last season04:58
RAOFsparr: SILENCE!04:59
twbhydrogen: why do you say GNOME is dead?04:59
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slackernRAOF, ahh nice, thought i saw something about it being mentioned but wasn't sure, it's alot better now than before04:59
twbhydrogen: sure, it's awful, but I don't know anything better to give to idiot mouse users04:59
hydrogentwb: because its fun to beat a dead horse04:59
twbIndeed.05:00
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musikgoatI have a bug that is aparently caused by acpi_cpufreq,  will blacklisting that give me undesirable results?05:04
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CountXcan anyone help me with making a website05:07
CountXim at a bit of a loss, i cant use macromedia flash on linux05:08
CountXi would really like to get back to editing my site, yet i do not know how in linux05:08
musikgoathow about running flash in qemu?05:09
musikgoator you could go the old fashioned route with a text editor :-P05:10
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CountXanyone else have any help?05:16
CountXi would rather not run in an vm05:16
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RAOFCountX: You could *try* running it under wine, but I don't know of a native alternative.05:17
CountXpoo05:18
CountXthat really does blow05:18
CountXhere i was all excited about do web dev in nix and i cant do flash05:19
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CountXanyone know why when i record my mic i get a bunch of static over my mic?05:27
CountXlike over what im recording?05:27
nomasteryodais it an external mic05:27
nomasteryodaor the one in the laptop?05:28
twbCountX: interference from other equipment.05:28
nomasteryodacould be, but i know i have issues with some sound output on my desktop05:29
nomasteryodai thought it would be gone with gutsy, but its still there on one user's profile05:29
nomasteryodaso i'll have to cleanse that to make it nice for him05:29
nomasteryodaenable all the recording options for gnome panel mixxer or kmix05:30
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nomasteryoda... then look for capture... maybe05:30
CountXwhere is that05:30
CountXim looking05:30
nomasteryodakubuntu?05:31
CountXnoope05:31
CountXi dont like kda05:31
nomasteryodaubuntu then05:31
nomasteryodalol05:31
CountXkde*05:31
nomasteryodaye forgot05:31
nomasteryodahang on05:31
CountXok it works in the sound manager05:32
CountXbut i get a funky error message05:32
BHSPitMonkeysound recorder?05:32
CountX"Failed to construct test pipeline for 'gconfaudiosrc ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=chat'"05:32
CountXno in the sound manager05:32
CountX"sound preferences"05:32
CountXwhen i use the sound recorder i get a lot of static over what im recording05:33
nomasteryodais the gain set too high?05:34
CountXbut in the sound preferences i get fine sound playback of what im getting at the mic05:34
CountXno its not too loud05:34
nomasteryodak05:34
CountXcould be louded05:34
CountXlouder*05:34
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CountXcould be doing something wrong05:35
nomasteryodacould be05:35
CountXi mean like with the settings, i havent touched anything05:35
nomasteryodastill looking at settings05:35
nomasteryodagood05:35
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ChirapornI recently upgraded to the gutsy pre-release, but the upgrade got messed up. A complete reinstall doesnt recognize my rt2500 wireless, even though the rt61 (and dependent) modules are inserted on boot. Another issue is that Totem wont play DVDs, complaining about the codecs, even though libdvdscc is installed. Any help? (I realize its alpha...)05:36
CountXffdmpeg05:37
CountXand why is your name Chiraporn ???05:37
ChirapornSorry?05:37
CountXlol05:37
ChirapornIts Thai05:38
CountXit makes no since at all damnit05:38
Chiraporninstall ffmpeg?05:38
CountXits what i use05:38
ChirapornIs this your recommendation?05:38
CountXyes05:38
ChirapornYou use it to play or to decode?05:38
nomasteryodatry using VLC05:38
nomasteryodait will work... Totem has issues... imho05:38
nomasteryodaCountX, did you check the speaker in the tray?05:39
nomasteryodapreferences05:39
CountXi used the medibuntu repo and that was that05:39
nomasteryodacool05:39
CountXwhat about the sound icon05:39
nomasteryodaright click and open sound control panel05:40
nomasteryodathen click the menu and find Preferences05:40
nomasteryodahang on05:40
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CountXokay....05:41
CountXi am at your whim05:41
CountXOMFG its 63 degreed in here05:41
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nomasteryoda|wok05:42
nomasteryoda|wnow i'm on another profile05:42
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nomasteryoda|wCountX, we can look together05:42
CountXyay05:43
nomasteryoda|wi have like 40 items to choose in the Edit, Preferences05:43
nomasteryoda|wi use kde on the other desktop.. my main one ...=D05:43
nomasteryoda|wthis is nice brown crap05:43
CountXi have like 505:43
nomasteryoda|wlol05:43
nomasteryoda|wya05:43
effaceI am trying to get psx32 (for my amd64 system) installed....I cannot find a standalone package to download, only references i can find are to apt dfeer to my source list which i dont wish to do and are only setup for feisty, anyone have any suggestions? I personlly dont care which psx emulator is on here, just as long as it works :P05:44
nomasteryoda|wfamily uses this ability to the max05:44
nomasteryoda|wCountX, check all the Mic boxes05:44
nomasteryoda|wto let you see them all in the Vol control05:45
CountXboxes?05:45
CountXi dont have any to check...05:45
nomasteryoda|wk05:45
CountXok now i do05:45
CountXi was in the wrong thing05:45
nomasteryoda|wya05:45
nomasteryoda|wthere are so many ways to do things here... its nice05:46
CountXconfounding05:46
nomasteryoda|wya05:46
nomasteryoda|wcan be05:46
nomasteryoda|wi can raise vol of the other session too... nice05:46
nomasteryoda|wlistening to coldplay05:46
nomasteryoda|wvery U2ish05:46
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nomasteryoda|wso, enable the Microphone Capture05:47
nomasteryoda|wand boost and mic select05:47
nomasteryoda|wthis is a laptop, right?05:47
CountXyeah05:47
nomasteryoda|wk05:47
CountXbut i have a headset05:47
nomasteryoda|wmine has 2 mics05:47
CountXa logitech :)05:47
CountXmine 205:47
nomasteryoda|wand can use both at same time05:47
CountXont he front05:47
nomasteryoda|wya05:47
CountXcool05:48
nomasteryoda|wor it seems that way05:48
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CountXwtf05:48
CountXits like quiet at like 90-0%05:48
CountXthen its blarring at 95 and 100 is max...05:48
nomasteryoda|wya05:48
CountXwtf is up witht hat05:49
nomasteryoda|wbeats me05:49
RAOFCountX: Yay logarithmic sensation!05:49
nomasteryoda|wLOL05:49
CountXlol05:49
nomasteryoda|wi am using Exaile now... man, that thing is nice05:49
=== CountX is lisining to "Briefcase full of guts"
nomasteryoda|wmuch smaller than amarok it seems05:49
CountXrhythmbox for life05:50
nomasteryoda|wi should try that too05:50
nomasteryoda|wi have everything installed for audio...05:50
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RAOFCountX: Now, if only the gapless backend would play wavpack files...05:50
CountXlol05:51
CountXi use flac05:51
nomasteryoda|wDr_willis, howdy05:51
CountXflac ftw05:51
CountXeff mp3 in the A05:51
effaceanyone know where i can download psx32 or any other psx emulator for amd64 without having to get it from a repository via apt-get?05:51
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CountX!botsnack05:52
ubotuYum! Err, I mean, APT!05:52
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CountX!apt05:52
ubotuAPT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)05:52
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efface.....05:52
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CountXuse apt?05:52
nomasteryoda|wwhat is wrong with apt?05:53
nomasteryoda|wit makes things easy05:53
CountXsudo aptitude install pcsx05:53
CountXthere ya go05:53
effacepcsx is for amd64?05:53
CountXefface, marcel@marcel-laptop:~$ apt-cache search psx05:54
CountXpcsx - Sony PlayStation emulator05:54
efface<3 brb give it a try05:54
CountXyuo should be able to use any 32bit app on x6405:54
effacei hate you but love you at the same time05:55
effacejust spent the last 4 hours trying to get epsxe and psx to work05:55
effacetrying all kinds of guides and building 32 libs05:55
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CountXlo05:55
CountXlol05:55
CountX:(05:56
CountXi cant use stickam :(05:56
CountXi feel lonely05:56
CountXthats why im here05:56
nomasteryoda|wman, i need to snoooooooze05:56
CountXno you dont05:56
nomasteryoda|wyawning all over the place05:56
CountXsleep is the enemy05:56
nomasteryoda|wlol05:56
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CountXthe only time now is party time05:56
nomasteryoda|wtrye05:56
RAOFefface: That's why...05:56
nomasteryoda|wtrue05:56
RAOF!packages05:56
ubotuYou can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!05:56
CountXim the baskeyball05:56
RAOFExists :)05:56
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nomasteryoda|w23050 to be closer05:57
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ubotuFor help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents05:57
CountXubotu is so informative05:57
nomasteryoda|wthat is a nice bot05:57
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pvd2007hey there everyone, I am on the latest distro of Xubuntu and I can't seem to get my audigy sound card working.  It shows up and I've unmuted everything in alsamixer, turned up all volumes, etc.. Still notw working.05:59
pvd2007Xubuntu told me to come here since im using gutsy05:59
pvd2007#xubuntu*05:59
CountX#xubuntu+1?06:00
pvd2007there is also a #ubuntu+106:00
pvd2007?06:00
pvd2007Xubuntu06:00
pvd2007*06:00
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CountXme no no06:00
CountXnomasteryoda, i have a effed up audio set up06:01
pvd2007I also went to applications > settings > mixer  and chose the audigy sound card.06:01
nomasteryoda|wpvd2007, did you turn off the external amplifier option?06:01
pvd2007im not sure?06:02
pvd2007where do I do that06:02
nomasteryoda|wits one of the alsamixer options06:02
nomasteryoda|wmost right if is the same for your card06:02
nomasteryoda|wi use a sb live06:02
pvd2007I have audigy 106:02
nomasteryoda|won the desktop06:02
nomasteryoda|wits similar06:02
Vissudok, well, there must be some bug in the latest nvidia driver because if I use that, my external display doesn't work06:02
pvd2007I just turned it off06:02
nomasteryoda|wVissud, did you try using nvidia-settings tool06:03
nomasteryoda|wi can make mine work with that06:03
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pvd2007nomasteryoda|w: I locked it, but still no sound coming out of speakers06:03
pvd2007:-\06:03
nomasteryoda|wpvd2007, just a min06:04
pvd2007k06:04
DShepherdcan i start ordering ship it cds for gutsy?06:04
Vissudnomasteryoda:  how so? did you have the same issue? mind you, i'm not looking for dual display, just my external06:04
nomasteryoda|wya06:04
nomasteryoda|wi know what you mean06:04
nomasteryoda|wlaptop right?06:04
Vissudyep06:05
nomasteryoda|wk06:05
Vissudwhat was the issue exactly?06:05
nomasteryoda|whang on06:05
nomasteryoda|wcheck also for vga= added to the kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.lst06:05
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nomasteryoda|wcan you switch to tty2 or 3 with no problems?06:06
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Vissudyeah, my vt's work normally, on the external06:06
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VissudX starts up on the laptop lcd, even when the lid is closed06:06
Vissud206:06
nomasteryoda|wya06:07
nomasteryoda|wany response from fn switch?06:07
Vissudnope06:07
nomasteryoda|wk06:07
Vissudno vga line either06:07
CountXwhat kinda of webcam stuff can you do on linux?06:07
CountXlike, stickam doesnt work06:07
nomasteryoda|wnever heard of stickam06:08
CountXis there any other webcam communities that work with linux?06:08
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nomasteryoda|wVissud, and you installed the nvidia-settings app?06:08
CountXwhich is a webcam community06:08
nomasteryoda|wCountX, looking06:08
nomasteryoda|wkik06:09
nomasteryoda|wkk06:09
Vissudyeah06:09
Vissudi have nvidia settings06:09
nomasteryoda|wk06:09
nomasteryoda|wand the detect displays does not show the external?06:09
CountXit worked for me06:10
nomasteryoda|wmoving over to other profile... brb06:10
Vissudok, one sec06:10
nomasteryodaok06:10
CountXbut be careful not to take out the cable and restart06:10
nomasteryodamy tunes is getting to me...06:10
nomasteryodalol06:10
nomasteryodaya06:10
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nomasteryodayou can switch to a tty and restart the session wiht sys rsq+k if you need... will lose data ... possibly but its better'n restarting06:11
nomasteryodawell, i gotta run for a bit06:12
CountXnomasteryoda, ok06:12
penguincentralhi did anyone have trouble watching video yesterday?06:12
nomasteryodaif i'm not back in 12 minutes, i'm either asleep or in the ditch somewhere06:12
nomasteryodawith totem, always06:12
nomasteryoda=D06:12
nomasteryodasmplayer, perfect06:12
penguincentralbecause yesterday, any video that i was watching, no matter the codec or program wouldn't show up, then now it's working.  must have been a bug06:13
Vissudnomasteryoda: it detects it, but has it disabled06:15
nomasteryodahmm, and shows it left or right of the main monitor?06:15
pvd2007well gonna restart make sure I have my onboard sound disabled06:15
pvd2007brb06:15
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nomasteryodaif you click configure, what happens06:15
Vissud3 options, disabled, sep x screen, and twinview06:16
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nomasteryodatry twinview06:18
nomasteryodareally06:18
Vissudok06:18
nomasteryodait can clone the screen you have06:18
nomasteryodaheck, you can't break that... just try and see if it works like you want... then if so, add changes to your xorg.conf...06:19
nomasteryodaor use the xorg.conf it makes if its good enough06:19
nomasteryodayou would turn off xinerama to use twinview without widescreen effect06:20
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Vissudthat kind of works, though when I restart gdm the  login still comes up on the lcd and not the external06:21
nomasteryodaright06:22
nomasteryodayou have to mod the /etc/X11/xorg.conf06:22
Vissudok, thanks!06:22
Vissudi think i'm close now06:22
nomasteryoda... now i don't recommend this to much, but you can run that sudo nvidia-settings06:23
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Vissudyeah, i know, that's how I was doing it06:23
nomasteryodathen save the file06:23
nomasteryodaok06:23
nomasteryodacool06:23
Vissuddo you know if this is a bug in the driver?06:23
riotkittiei couldnt figure out why i'd get a system beep when i hit the login screen/desktop. it only took two days to realize that i have no sound. doh.06:23
nomasteryodano, don't think so06:23
nomasteryodanvidia has always been dorky to do externals to me.. but then again, so has Linux06:23
nomasteryodaunbreakable x also offers some problems when you have manually setup your system...06:24
nomasteryodaand it thinks it knows best06:24
nomasteryodaouch...06:24
nomasteryodariotkittie, audigy card?06:24
riotkittieyou havent lived until you've broken x. people should not be robbed of the experience06:24
nomasteryodaLOL06:24
nomasteryodaya well, ubuntu did that once... to everyone06:24
Vissudheh06:24
nomasteryodait was classice uhoh06:25
snadgeyeah its all well and good until you try to convince your boss that you can use ubuntu at work instead of windows06:25
nomasteryodahehe06:25
snadgethat ended up being a failure :P06:25
Vissudok, well, thanks a lot..looks like the worst I have to do now is manually switch resolutions when I switch between laptop and external06:25
Vissudagain, thanks a lot06:25
riotkittieno. it's a turtle beach? turtle bay? turtle soup? turtle something. c-media06:25
nomasteryodaman, that sux ... welcome Vissud06:25
nomasteryodaVissud, you can leave it on06:25
nomasteryodawith the external setup in the file...06:25
nomasteryodathen just hook up the monitor06:25
nomasteryodauntil the new x configurator is stable...06:26
nomasteryodai think it will work... but spouting speculation will not help06:26
nomasteryoda=D06:26
nomasteryodagood luck06:26
nomasteryodasee ya round06:26
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philiphow do I get rid of trackerd? it runs every single time after I reboot causing constant IO06:34
RAOFYou can remove the "tracker" package.06:34
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pvd2006hmm06:43
pvd2006still no luck getting audigy 1 card working in Xubuntu gutsy gibson :-\06:43
pvd2006I have onboard disabled.06:43
pvd2006ive looked through both comand line and gui versin of alsa mixer06:43
pvd2006nothing is muted06:43
pvd2006 sudo cat /proc/asound/modules returns " sudo cat /proc/asound/modules"06:44
pvd2006whoops06:44
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pvd2006 sudo cat /proc/asound/modules returns "0 snd_emu10k1"06:45
pvd2006 sudo cat /proc/asound/pcm returns the right info06:46
RAOFALSA is notoriously finiky.  If you haven't already, check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DebuggingSoundProblems .  Also, ALSA bugzilla can be a fertile hunting ground.06:47
pvd2006thanks06:50
pvd2006btw, is there suppose to be a standard volume control in xubuntu gutsy gibson?06:50
pvd2006i dont see one06:50
pvd2006I had to install alsamixer gui06:50
RAOFDunno, I use Ubuntu.06:51
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riotkittiestupid commaa. arr.06:56
riotkittieyay. i have sound.06:57
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DanaGOdd: my Human metacity theme is different from the one on the LiveCD.07:01
riotkittiedifferent how?07:08
DanaGThe liveCD one is slimmer, and looks less like (the old-new) Clearlooks.07:09
riotkittieah. i didnt even notice that.07:10
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ChasingVertigoI''m using Gutsy Tribe 5 with nvidia-glx-new (via  "Restricted Drivers"), after the initial reboot my screen goes black and the lights on my monitor flash (Its error message, like when I change the resolution to something it can't cope with in windows), but the refresh rate seems okay - is there something I'm missing?07:26
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skinnypuppyCould someone post the link where to download gutsy tribe?07:51
RAOFhttps://iso.qa.stgraber.org07:52
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kurroshttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com08:11
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jd20Does anyone know where I'd find the latest version of the Beta for Gutsy that would include dmcrypt formatting upon install?08:12
RAOFhttps://iso.qa.stgraber.org08:13
DanaGArgh, the Tangerine icons for "Computer" are now brown!08:14
jd20Thanks RAOF!08:14
DanaGSince when are tangerines brown?08:14
RAOFSince they went off.08:15
masterlokiyeah.......08:17
masterlokii just deleted 3.8GB of logs08:17
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masterlokicouldnt even read em b/c they were too long... dmesg | tail gave a lot of vfs errors about inodes being busy... is this common right now or something?08:17
ArmedKingAnyone having problems with amsn after update to Gutsy. When i start amsn i get the message " loading TkCximage failed. This module is needed to run aMSN. Pleasy compile aMSN first, instructions on how to compile are located in the file INSTALL"08:18
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riotkittiesweet. loading multiple pages in firefox tends to kill my wireless connection randomly.08:31
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jscinozHey guys, im having a problem with the 100.14.19 nvidia drivers, they work fine just after i install them, but after a reboot X fails to start, stating that /lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko is missing, any ideas? this problem occurs both with the drivers installed from synaptic, and from Nvidia's binary package.08:47
RAOFjscinoz: Got nvidia-glx-new installed, and linux-restricted-modules-generic?  Anything in /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules ?08:48
jscinozRAOF< yes to the first two, i dont have that restrictd-modules file, only "linux-restricted-modules-common" which shows no disabled modules08:49
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RAOFjscinoz: Ok.  If you run "sudo /etc/init.d/linux-restricted-modules-common start", does it then work?08:51
jscinozthe command ran successfully, no idea if it changed anything, the problem occurs on reboot08:52
jscinozill be back in a few mins after reboot08:52
DanaGOh yeah, is it possible to bind samba to only one interface?08:53
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jd20RAOF:  Does the current implementation of dm-crypt via installer give complete encryption for everything but /boot?08:55
kurrosDanaG interfaces option in  /etc/smb.conf08:55
RAOFjd20: Depends on what you select.08:55
jd20So it's capable?08:56
RAOFYes.08:56
RAOFI set up /boot + a crypted partiton, then LVM on that crypt partition.08:57
RAOFYou can do whatever you want, though.08:57
jd20Sounds like I'm going to have lots of fun testing.  This is neat!08:58
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jscinozRAOF, now it states API and module version mismatch09:06
RAOFYay!  Progress!09:06
jscinoz>_<09:06
jscinozim typing this from bitchx >_<09:06
jscinozanyways09:06
jscinozwhat should i try now?09:06
RAOFHm.  Do you have a /lib/linux-restricted-modules/.nvidia-new-installed file?09:06
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jscinozyesh09:07
jscinoznuke it?09:07
RAOFjscinoz: Depends.  Are you trying to use nvidia-glx-new?09:07
jscinozyes09:07
RAOFSo, that should probably be there then :)09:08
jscinoz:P09:08
jscinozugh, tty1 crashed09:08
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jscinozso what should i do next about nvidia09:08
RAOFUm... I'm not sure.09:09
jscinoz>_<09:09
RAOF:(09:10
jscinoz-_-09:10
Gutsywhat's the current tribe version? I'm running a partial update on a clean tribe6 I downloaded a few weeks or a month ago09:10
jscinoz6 i think09:11
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jscinozRAOF, i tried purging nvidia-glx-new and reinstalling, same error09:11
jscinozapi-module mismatch09:11
DanaGCool, thanks, kurros.  I read it just now.09:12
RAOFjscinoz: Man, I don't know how people manage to mess up the nvidia drivers so badly :(09:12
jscinozi didnt even mess with it that much09:13
jscinozall i did was reinstall from apt-get09:13
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jscinoz>_<09:14
GutsyI installed compiz manager in synaptic, what do you do to run it?09:14
RAOFSystem->Preferences->Advanced Desktop Effects09:16
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jscinozGutsy, if you can find a deb of it, i highly recommend fusion-icon09:17
jscinozi had a deb of it but i lost it >_<09:17
jscinozfusion-icon isn't in the repos but it darn well should be09:17
RAOFEh.09:18
RAOFReally?09:18
jscinozyesh09:18
jscinozIMO best application for managing compiz09:18
jscinozjust have it in your session startup, it'll automatically bring up compiz and emerald09:19
RAOFPossibly.  But I just want compiz to *run*.09:19
RAOFjscinoz: You know what?  That's the default behaviour :)09:19
jscinozand allows configuring command line options such as loosebinding and indirectrendering from a tray icon09:19
jscinoz:P09:19
GutsyI don't see fusion-icon in gutsy's default repo's09:19
jscinozRAOF, without it, didnt wor kfor me09:19
jscinozGutsy, i dont think its there, but a quick google for "fusion-icon deb" should show up something09:19
RAOFjscinoz: It's changed recently.  But if you've got emerald installed, it'll run emerald (ugh).09:20
jscinozoh well09:20
jscinozi still love fusion-icon09:20
jscinozeasy acess to ccsm and emerald-theme-manger09:20
jscinozand other settings09:20
RAOFA lot of people do, I'm just not sure why.09:20
jscinozand fast windowmanager/decorater switching09:20
Gutsynor is there an advanced desktop effects in system pref...09:20
jscinozGutsy, go to system>pref>Appearance09:21
jscinozcompiz stuff should be under far right tab09:21
RAOFGutsy: Have you installed compizconfig-settings-manager?09:21
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jscinozRAOF, i think i found the solution to my nvidia-problems, my kernel is out of date, it seems the nvidia-glx-new in the repos is for the current version, not the older one i have :P09:21
GutsyI'll double check raof09:21
RAOFjscinoz: Heh.09:21
jscinozgoing to reboot in a sec and see how it goes09:22
RAOFjscinoz: You see, I don't *want* to switch window manager or decorator.  I want compiz to run all the time, and pick up my Gnome themes :)09:22
jscinozi do most of the time too, but fusion-icon is good to have :P09:23
jscinozblast Australia's shite internet.09:23
jscinozonly country that still has stupid bandwidth limits on home broadband >_<09:23
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jscinozi have that too09:24
jscinozbut 60gb a month is too little09:24
GutsyRAOF , no  compizconfig-settings-manager wasn't installed but I have now.09:24
jscinozI'd settle for 1.5mbps no data limit09:24
jscinozbe right back, rebooting09:24
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jscinozyep that did the trick09:29
jscinoz^_^09:29
jscinozand it seems to have kickstarted apport aswell09:29
jscinozand it seems to have kickstarted apport aswell, getting hundreds of crash reports from ages ago09:29
RAOFWooo!09:29
DanaGHmm, I don't have apport working at all.09:30
jscinozwow the apport dialogs just keep coming09:30
jscinozcounted 20+ sofar09:30
jscinozyay all gone, 37 in total :)09:30
jscinozonly problem i still have with ubuntu is a buggy Azureus09:31
jscinozdarn thing crashes if  i double click a torrent to see more info09:31
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RAOFI tried to update that package earlier.  Dear lord, it's crazy.09:31
jscinozazureus? or apport?09:32
RAOFazureus09:32
jscinozdo you get the same bug as i'm getting?09:32
jscinozcrashing on bringing up a torrents info via double-click or any other means09:32
RAOFNo, I don't use azureus.  I use deluge, when I'm torrenting.09:32
jscinoz<-- Java fanboy09:33
jscinozIf its java its awesome09:33
jscinoz:P09:33
jscinozPity java is so darn slow09:33
RAOFAnd ridiculously static.09:34
RAOFUrgh.  Give me some good strong, dynamic typing anyday.09:34
nanonymestatic?09:34
RAOFnanonyme: Static typing sucks.09:34
RAOFEspecially when your generics system sucks too.09:34
nanonymehmm...09:35
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jscinozEver tried a java game called Wurm Online? it uses JOGL. and god is it slow, 10-20fps on a $4000AUD gaming laptop that gets 100+ in most other games09:35
RAOFBasically, web browsers should just embed a python interpreter :P09:35
jscinoz:P09:36
jscinozRAOF do you live in Aus?09:36
RAOFYes.09:36
jscinozGot Halo 3 yet?09:36
RAOFSydney09:36
jscinozSame here09:36
RAOFNo.  Don't even have a 36009:36
jscinozaww09:36
jscinozI have all 3 7th gen consoles09:37
jscinozWii > 360 > PS3 imo09:37
RAOFThe wii is pretty cool.09:37
daengboanyone having trouble with rt2500 wireless?09:39
jscinozLaptop with HDMI + tremulous + wiimote + 60" plasma = win09:40
daengboIt's not recognized09:40
jscinozaww, lxdoom doesnt work with compiz09:40
daengboModule inserts properly09:41
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daengbobut nothing shows on ifconfig09:41
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jscinozAnyone remember what that program was that lets you have your screensaver as your desktop background?09:44
RAOFxwinwrap09:45
jscinozcheers09:46
jscinozugh09:47
jscinozthat isnt in repos09:47
jscinoztime to find source09:47
RAOFTrue.09:47
RAOFFeel free to package it up :)09:47
jscinozwill do09:48
jscinozI gotta find somewhere to host all the packages i've made with EPM09:48
RAOFppa.launchpad.net?09:48
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jscinozfound a deb of xwinwrap09:50
jscinozhttp://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=44342&d=119067730609:50
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databuddyhey i noticed that when i use aumix +100 it doesnt actually change volume.... any reason for this?09:54
databuddyit worked in feisty...09:54
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jscinozgah xwinwrap hates me10:01
cypherdelichehe poking around with xwinwrap settings, takes a evening :)10:05
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unggnuSomebody here with intel graphic card and working suspend?11:30
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CVAfter running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" on t5 my sound card doesn't work, is this a known issue?11:32
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unggnuCV, I guess xserver-xorg has nothing to do with sound.11:38
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benhI don't know how "useful" are those tracked & strigi-daemon things that gutsy comes with11:45
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benhbut they've been totally DOS'ing by brand new core2 duo11:45
benhall day11:45
benhuntil I finally managed to kill them11:45
benhthey render the box totally unuseable11:45
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_dan_hello, is there currently an issue with wireless in gutsy?11:45
Xerotrackerd=good. strigi-daemon=i don't know what that is11:46
cypherdeliccan somebody msg me???11:46
benhXero: good ? how so ?11:46
savvashm, they still don't have flash for 64 bit11:46
benhthose things have been flooding the machine with disk accesses to a point that it's been totally unuseable most of the day11:47
Xerobenh, it's a desktop search, like Google Desktop, Spotlight, or anything else.11:47
benhand it's a brand new machine11:47
XeroIt indexes while the CPU is idle.11:47
Eq|workXero : so it's like the windows indexing service11:47
benhhrm that doesn't quite work11:47
Eq|workthus absolutely useless for many, many peopl11:47
Eq|work+e11:47
XeroEq|work, yes.11:47
wabiDwhy does update manager need to update itself every day11:47
Eq|work(myself included)11:47
benhbecause the disk accesses will screw everything up, idle or not idle11:47
Eq|worki'll stick to updatedb & locate thanks11:47
benhespecially on a dual core machine where one cpu is likely to be idle anyway11:47
Eq|workbenh : fairly sure it isn't normal for it to thrash the disk11:47
Xerobenh, lol wfm (this means it's your problem)11:48
benhmy problem11:48
benhhrm11:48
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benhso you install a distro and get a unuseable machine for 2 days or whatever11:48
benhand it's my problem ?11:48
benhI think it's just POS software :-)11:48
Eq|workXero : no, it means that the problem doesn't happen for you11:48
Eq|workdoesn't mean it's specific to benh11:48
benhhehe11:48
benhwell, I think the problem is that it doesn't deal well with being given suddenly a home dir with a few dozen GB of data on it11:49
Eq|workbenh : i'd try and remove the packages for them.. after checking what they are.11:49
Xerobenh, try this: sudo apt-get remove trackerd strigi-daemon11:49
benhit starts scrubbing like hell11:49
Eq|workshouldn't be an issue tbh11:49
benhif you also have lots of RAM, it probably blows the page & inode cache out of proportion11:49
Eq|workif it is, then the software is badly written11:49
benhI'm not sure how it manage to cause so bad IO starvation though, might well be a kernel IO scheduler issue11:49
benhbut it's pretty bad11:49
XeroI don't know what Strigi is, but you shouldn't need 2 search daemons anyway.11:49
benh"normal" IOs (such as launching an app) get delayed up to 20 seconds or more11:50
Eq|workwhat was the load average after you killed them?11:50
XeroOh well, that's why Gutsy is unstable.11:50
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benhXero: both seem to come with ubuntu desktop11:50
benhhehe11:50
XeroSpeaking of such, I need to restart XChat. It's beeping like hell11:50
benhload avergage is fine, it's IO load which is an issue11:50
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benhit might well be that they trigger a pathological case in the kernel IO scheduler tho11:50
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Eq|workbenh : using kubuntu?11:52
Xerobenh, as I said, you shouldn't need 2 search daemons, and neither should anyone else. Uninstall one or both and see how it is after your next reboot, if you do that kinda thing11:52
benhEq|work: now that you mention it ... I switched to a KDE session and it got worse11:52
benhEq|work: I was on gnome earlier and it was more useable11:52
Eq|workstrigi-daemon is, from the looks of thing, usually used by kde11:52
benhXero: no need ot reboot, I can kill them just fine :-)11:52
Xerobenh, XD11:52
Eq|workbenh : an interesting test: start one of them (from the hopefully present init scripts), and see what happens.. monitor the process11:53
benhIt's unclear to me which one is killing the box or if it's just the fact of having both11:53
benhwell, monitoring the process is hard, it's generating millions of IOs11:53
Xerobenh, I would say it's because you have both.11:53
Eq|workcan top show io load?11:53
benhtrackerd alone seems to be putting the box on its knees tho11:53
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benhnot in a useful manner11:54
XeroThey ( i think) are scanning each other's cache and going insane over it11:54
benhI remember jens axboe did something for that, I need to dig11:54
Eq|workXero : much the same as my theory11:54
benhXero: well, situation was still bad with just trackerd alone...11:54
Eq|workbenh : they're both daemons11:54
Eq|workthey'd have likely been started at boot..11:54
Xerobenh: Well, then I have no idea. Tracker runs fine here, but as Eq|work said that doesn't help you.11:55
benhthey seem to be quite tied to the session, I'd say they are started at login time but I haven't checked11:55
benhhrm, could be a setting11:55
benhtrackerd seems to be configured for fastest indexing and max memory usage11:55
Xerobenh, mine is, too, but I have no problems.11:56
XeroMaybe I'm just used to a slow system. I don't know.11:56
benhnah, things got really unuseable11:56
benhslow at first and then degenerated11:56
benhstrange that you don't see it ...11:56
benhmaybe it gets better once it's indexed all the shit there11:57
benhthere's lots of files... kernel git trees among others11:57
XeroMaybe. Leave it up all night and check.11:57
XeroTurn the settings down a bit, too. Mine was at "Faster" on the bar and low mem usage11:57
benhyup11:57
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XeroThis is worse than a few Windows problems I've heard of. Broken X is easy to fix. This kind of isn't.11:58
Eq|workbenh : tbh you probably don't actually want an indexing thing11:58
zerwashello11:58
Eq|worki know i don't :P11:58
benhEq|work: indeed11:58
Eq|worklocate + updatedb is all i need11:58
benhor maybe one that I strictly limit to my ~/docs dir11:58
benhwhich contains all sort of HW docos11:59
benhPDFs mostly11:59
zerwasi activated the nvidia-driver. now, xorg.conf contains the line "nvidia" at "driver" but it still isn't used. Has anybody an idea what the heck is going on?11:59
benhthing is11:59
Xerobenh, 'sudo apt-get remove trackerd strigi-daemon' in that case11:59
benhI can always fix -my- problems11:59
Eq|workand i can wait the ~5 mins for updatedb to run if it's out of date..11:59
benhI was just worried that might give other more lusers a bad experience with gutsy update11:59
_dan_zerwas apt-get remove --purge the nvidia drivers and reinstall only nvidia-glx-new11:59
_dan_i had the same issue11:59
zerwas_dan_, i am using the legacy drivers12:00
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_dan_oh12:00
_dan_dunno then :/12:00
Eq|workzerwas : is your card only supported by legacy?12:00
zerwasEq|work, i think so12:00
benhXero: sure, as I said, my problem is mostly irrelevant, it's more like it might bite real users (I don't consider myself one, really :-)12:00
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Eq|workwhat card is it zerwas ?12:00
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benhheh, there's some very weird transcient pixel corruption when typing in Konversation edit box12:00
zerwasthe first time it worked. but only with 800x600.12:00
zerwasEq|work, it is an RIVA TNT212:00
benhat the intersection of the latest typed letter and the blinking cursor12:00
Eq|workholy hell12:00
benhit's actually the blinking cursor that doesn't refresh very well... looks to me like a gfx driver cache flush bug12:01
zerwaswhat? :-o12:01
Eq|workisn't there an open-source driver that works perfectly with those now?12:01
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zerwasEq|work, no :-(12:01
zerwasEq|work, only nv exists (or vesa...)12:01
benhEq|work: not really... probably along the same lines as "nv"12:01
Eq|workthought nv was pretty good on the ancient cards like that.12:01
benhthough utah-glx might give 3d on these12:01
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benhneither good nor bad... nv is good at accelerating stuff nobody cares about :-)12:02
Eq|worktbh you're not going to get much in the way of 3d performance on a card that old regardless.12:02
benhsuch as polygons12:02
benhit's probably fast with xtank :-)12:02
Eq|workbenh : yeah well that fits with the tnt2 cards :P12:02
Xeropolyhedra > polygons.12:02
Xeroespecially in the case of the Compiz Cube12:02
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Eq|workzerwas : purge all the nvidia packages, then install the legacy glx package.12:03
benhyeah well, I'm not even talking about 3d :-)12:03
zerwasi am *sure* that compiz works without problems12:03
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Eq|workessentially start from scratch12:03
zerwasEq|work, thank you, i will try that12:03
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savvasis anyone using amd64 tribe 5 and flash works?12:03
Eq|worksavvas : you need the plugin wrapper thing12:04
savvasI mean out of the box12:04
savvasah12:04
Eq|worknspluginwrapper12:04
savvasthen i guess what they say here doesn't apply: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe512:04
Eq|workread up on that.12:04
zerwasEq|work, apt-get wants to remove linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-12-generic and linux-generic also, if i am trying to purge all nvidia-packages...12:05
Eq|worksavvas : some does, some doesn't.12:05
Eq|workit's not a ubuntu issue12:05
Eq|workadobe are at fault for not releasing a 64bit version :P12:06
Eq|workzerwas : check the restricted manager to see if anything else on your system is using a restricted module.12:06
zerwasEq|work, it isn't12:06
Eq|workthen that's fine12:07
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Eq|workyou should reinstall them after, but it doesn't matter right now12:07
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zerwasalright12:07
Eq|work(ie after you install the legacy glx package)12:07
_dan_why does my wireless card not work anymore on gutsy? :O12:07
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zerwas_dan_, which card?12:08
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_dan_zerwas hmm i got a sony vaio, with builtin centrino card thingie12:08
Eq|workwe kinda need to know a bit more than that12:08
_dan_worked out of the box with last two ubuntu releases, with gutsy too but stopped some days ago12:08
jscinozIs it possible to get xwinwrap to render below desktop icons so i dont need opacity? and still have my icons12:08
_dan_lemme boot up laptop12:08
Eq|workwhat does lspci say for it?12:08
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_dan_ok ehre we go12:10
_dan_its a intel pro/wireless 2200BG12:10
_dan_dmesg detects the card right but fails to load12:11
_dan_sec ill pastebin it12:11
_dan_http://pastebin.org/338812:12
unggnu_dan_, Does suspend work?12:15
savvasthanks Eq|work, the nspluginwrapper worked12:16
unggnu_dan_, please post uname -a12:16
unggnu_dan_, or better uname -r12:16
_dan_2.6.22-12-38612:17
_dan_suspend uhm yeah worked last time letme try now12:17
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unggnu_dan_, This is your problem. You have upgraded a kept back package12:17
unggnu_dan_, the 12 kernel misses some packages12:17
_dan_suspend works like a charm12:18
unggnuBoot the 11 and your wlan should working again12:18
unggnu_dan_, Intel card? :)12:18
_dan_oki thx letma try12:18
_dan_yes intel card12:18
unggnuYou could check something for me :)12:18
_dan_same on the -generic kernel?12:18
_dan_no idea why i got the 386 installed usually i got the -generic one12:19
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unggnu_dan_, you should install the generic especially if you have a dual core12:19
unggnu_dan_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/13638012:19
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136380 in acpi-support "[Gutsy]  sonybright.sh doesn't use the correct value range" [Undecided,New] 12:19
zerwasHouston we have a problem12:19
unggnuThis one is importan for sony laptops.12:19
_dan_its single core, i go genereic installed just not dfaulted as it seems, it was defaulted normally12:19
unggnu_dan_, if generic works remove 38612:20
jscinozIs it possible to get xwinwrap to render the screensaver/video under the desktop icons rather than above them?12:20
zerwasEq|work, thanks for your help. i see the nvidia splash at the beginning now, but: glxgears gives me: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".12:20
_dan_unggnu ok so boote dthe 11 lets see12:20
_dan_uh -11 works with wireless thx12:21
_dan_what do u need me to check?12:21
_dan_btw sony vaio special keys dont work, only if i install a patched module12:21
_dan_but thats another thing12:21
_dan_;)12:21
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savvasEq|work: can I use nspluginwrapper for java?12:22
unggnu_dan_, brightness doesn't work out of the box?12:22
_dan_well12:22
unggnu_dan_, could you please check this https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/14106312:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 141063 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "new Intel driver freezes system on video play after suspend" [Undecided,New] 12:23
_dan_i reoved the sony_acpi module and substituted it with a patch modul but the gnome brightness stuff, powermanager and applet does work now12:23
unggnu_dan_, you don't need to replace sony_acpi12:23
_dan_unggnu i got nvidia card12:23
unggnuit is deprecated and sony-laptop is used in favor12:23
_dan_unggnu i do, otherwise special keys dont work on my keyboard12:23
unggnu_dan_, damn :)12:23
_dan_but i can try it12:24
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unggnu_dan_, doesn't help, it is an intel problem afaik12:24
_dan_i mean the sony-laptop12:24
_dan_for special keys12:24
unggnu_dan_, it should be automatically loaded since Gutsy12:25
_dan_gutsy loads the sony_acpi module12:25
unggnu_dan_, not for me12:25
unggnu_dan_, maybe because of your patched kernel12:25
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_dan_its only a patched module12:25
_dan_its the same module gutsy loads just with a patch12:25
_dan_sec rebooting to generic kernel12:26
_dan_-1212:26
_dan_oooh12:26
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_dan_it doenst load the sony_acpi anymore, it did one week ago12:26
unggnu_dan_, :)12:26
_dan_lets see12:26
unggnu_dan_, don't use the -12 kernel12:26
_dan_ok12:27
_dan_booting -1112:27
unggnuuntil the dependencies are installed. I guess there is a reason why apt-get kept it back.12:27
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_dan_didnt keep it back12:27
_dan_at least not the update-manager12:27
unggnu_dan_, not with dist-upgrade12:27
_dan_anyway booting12:27
unggnu_dan_, my update manager kept it back too. :)12:28
_dan_the -11 kernl doesnt load sony_laptop tho12:28
_dan_which package contains the sony_laptop thing so i can reinstall it12:30
Do``hey could someone help me with a compiz issue?12:30
unggnu_dan_, maybe your sony laptop is new12:31
unggnuDo``, ask12:31
Do``i just tried it, enabled it in the appearance window12:31
Do``and when the new windows appear, they have no window frames12:31
_dan_unggnu its old12:31
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Do``and i dont have any keyboard shortcuts (that i set in gnome)12:31
_dan_unggnu which packet hols the sony_laptop module?12:32
unggnu_dan_, linux-image and linux-source12:32
unggnuit is build in12:32
unggnu_dan_, maybe you should post your data12:32
_dan_na i messed with the patched module in that kernel12:33
unggnu_dan_, there is a thread in ubuntu forum of tj12:33
_dan_i need to reinstall it ;)12:33
unggnu_dan_, sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-11-generic12:33
unggnu_dan_, + --reinstal12:34
_dan_--reinstall12:34
unggnu+l12:34
_dan_i know thx12:34
unggnu:)12:34
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_dan_was debian user for 3 years ;)12:34
unggnu:)12:35
Eq|worklol12:35
Eq|workdammit12:36
Eq|workwrong window.. sorry folks :P12:36
_dan_it says the -11 package cant be downloaded wtf :O12:36
dns_56is unbreakable x implemented yet?12:36
_dan_dns_56 some medicore version of it which annoyes the hell out of me :P12:37
_dan_unggnu any idea why apt complains about not being able to download it?12:37
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unggnu_dan_, inet doesn't work?12:38
Do``so could someone help me get window borders/frames with enabled desktop effects?12:38
_dan_it does :O12:38
Eq|work_dan_ : sudo apt-get update12:38
_dan_already did12:38
_dan_hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm12:40
unggnu_dan_, maybe 11 isn't anymore saved on server12:40
_dan_guess so12:40
unggnuwould be weird because 12 isn't ready for release but don't know12:40
_dan_but to lazy to check packages.ubuntu.com eheh12:40
_dan_but i can chec the special key thing with -12 too12:40
_dan_11 isnt on server anymore ur right12:41
_dan_did take a look at package site now ;)12:41
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_dan_ok so12:44
_dan_the brightness apllet works now out of the box12:44
_dan_which is great12:44
_dan_but the special keys on my sony vaio keyboard dont work12:44
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_dan_hmm12:50
_dan_now nvidia isnt working either :O12:50
chrisboyleDoes anyone know of any changes since Friday that could've caused me to start seeing something like bug #139313? (gnome etc never recognising xinerama info, even though gdm is)12:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 139313 in ubuntu "nvidia dual head twinview (pseudo-xinerama): gnome-panel and maximized windows span both heads on first login" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13931312:50
chrisboyleUnlike that report, mine isn't fixed by logging out/in nor by rebooting.12:51
_dan_fatal: error running install command for nvidia12:51
_dan_i swear it workd 1 hour ago12:51
RAOFchrisboyle: Do you have xserver-xgl installed?12:51
chrisboyleYep.12:51
chrisboyle1:1.1.99.1~git20070727-0ubuntu312:52
RAOFchrisboyle: Does disabling Xgl fix it?  (Create a file ~/.config/xserver-xgl/disable)12:52
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Xero_dan_, are you using a -lowlatency kernel?12:52
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_dan_no but12:53
chrisboyleRAOF: Be right back, finding out. :-)12:53
_dan_now i know why i got 386 kernel installed all of a sudden12:53
Xero_dan_, what does 'uname -a' say?12:53
_dan_no nvidia module for generic yet12:53
_dan_now it makes sense hehe12:53
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_dan_now i know why -glx-new was dependent on -386 kernel ;)12:54
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chrisboyleRAOF: Yes. Thanks. :-)12:54
RAOFchrisboyle: Gah.  I *pass* +xinerama to Xgl, what more does it want?!12:55
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RAOFchrisboyle: Want to file a bug saying that Xgl breaks Xinerama?12:56
zerwasHow can i see which xorg.conf  file is used at the moment?12:56
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NukeadorAnyone knows what is the status of the open source ati driver for R500 cards? (I mean the "ati" driver)12:59
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chrisboyleRAOF: Hmm. I'm actually really confused here: I do still have desktop effects; I thought Xgl was needed for that? I'm on nVidia (with TwinView), and my .xsession-errors mentions checking for nvidia as well as checking for Xgl; does all this mean it's using some nvidia-specific magic instead now?01:01
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sochi01:02
soci have a laptop01:02
Eq|workchrisboyle : no, xgl is only for ati01:02
Eq|worknvidia uses aiglx01:02
Eq|work(ati is implementing support for that atm)01:02
soci just wonder if it is right, that the cpu frequency is lowered even it is plugged into the wall?01:02
socit's weird01:02
RAOFchrisboyle: Yes; The nvidia driver implements the various features that Compiz requires.01:02
chrisboyleHmm. So why, with an nvidia driver, was it using Xgl? Or if it wasn't, why did disabling Xgl matter?01:03
soceven if there _is_ work for sure (e. g. compiling kde4) it almost never uses a higher frequency ...01:03
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socadditionally the laptop crashes if i close the lid01:03
soci have to use the magic sysrq or hard reboot01:04
RAOFchrisboyle: Because it's still useful - it (among other things) fixes resume-from-suspend for me.01:04
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Eq|workchrisboyle : they conflict.01:05
jgmI'm having trouble using the nvidia driver in X (this is the nvidia-glx-new package), when I attempt to use it I get an error in the X log saying that it failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module and it gives up, any ideas?01:05
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dns_56jgm: try updateing i had problems with 2.6.22-11-generic on amd6401:12
zerwasi have a little problem..X is using the nvidia driver but GLX doesn't work (so nothing with 3D works). Has anybody an idea how to check where the problem is?01:13
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dns_56nvidia drivers or the nv (2d) drivers?01:14
dns_56did you install the restricted drivers?01:15
zerwasnvidia drivers01:15
zerwasdns_56, yes i did01:15
zerwasi also the see nvidia splash before gdm starts01:15
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dns_56try using the nvidia-xconfig tool to edit your x config01:16
jgmdns_56: I've updated to the latest, still getting the same problem01:17
zerwasit's in the package "nvidia-settings" i assume01:17
dns_56i think with the restricted drivers, not sure01:17
zerwasi don't have such a tool. only nvidia-glx-config after installing "nvidia-settings"01:18
zerwasbut i have "driver" "nvidia" in my xorg.conf if you want to say that01:19
jgmWhich package provides the nvidia module?01:19
zerwasjgm, nvidia-glx-new, or, if you have an older card: nvidia-glx-legacy01:19
zerwasyou will also need nvidia-kernel-common01:19
jgmOkay I have them but then get a 'failed to load the nvidia kernel module' when I do a startx01:20
zerwasjgm, did you use the restricted drivers GUI?01:20
jgmNope I can't start X01:20
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jgmOne other thing, `uname -r` gives me 2.6.22-12-generic01:21
jgmShould that be generic or arch-specific?01:21
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dns_56generic is family ie i386 or 64 bit01:21
dns_56ie does not have as many specific thins such as for amd or intel chipsets01:22
jgmIs there a better kernel for my CPU (Intel quad-core)?01:22
jgmAttempting to 'modprobe nvidia' gives me an error 'FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia', does that help?01:23
void^no.01:23
_dan_jgm letme gues 2.6.22-12-generic kernel?01:23
_dan_no nvidia module for it yet u need to use -386 (i think) so nvidia works01:24
_dan_only a matter of days i think tho01:24
dns_56use generic, it supports single and smp i think, 386 is only single core but i might be wrong01:25
_dan_true but01:25
jgm_dan_: okay thanks.  Think I'll wait for th emodule update01:25
_dan_no nvidia for that yet01:25
denndahi. i have gutsy with latest updates. why does the gnome-preferences-menu in some of my folders not show the pie-chart showing the free space left?01:25
dennda(ignore the "in some of my folders". i havn't seen it at all, yet)01:26
dns_56i think it is only on root folders of the partition01:26
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dns_56the release notes do say it is not yet fully working01:27
denndaah. i have an extra /home partition, but even there: no pie-chart01:27
zerwasok now i know why i don't have GLX support: "(EE) GLX is not supported with the Composite extension"01:27
zerwashow can i deactivate Composite?01:28
denndazerwas: check your xorg.conf01:28
zerwasdennda: no word of Composite in there01:28
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dns_56hmm it works with /sda (windows) and / but not /home01:29
zerwasdennda: what's the line i should look for?01:29
denndazerwas: http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Xfce_Composite-Effekte?highlight=%28composite%29 <- check the second grey box01:30
zerwasdennda: as i said, in my xorg.conf there is no word about Composite01:31
denndawell, you asked for the line to look for01:31
zerwasor do you want to say that i should write Option  "Composite" "Disable"?01:31
denndazerwas: i would give that a try, yes. i don't expect anything to explode, so just try it :] 01:31
dns_56dissable should be the default but you could do that too01:31
dennda(i guess you are familiar with command-line textfile editing)01:32
zerwasok i'll try thank you for your help! :)01:32
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zerwasgot nvidia + glx working now with a correct xorg.conf01:44
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zerwasbut compiz doesn't work: "Checking for texture_from_pixmap: not present."01:46
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stdinI thought nvidia uses aiglx, not xgl01:48
dns_56did you enable it in xorg.conf?01:49
zerwasalso thought that...01:49
zerwasdns_56, enable what?01:49
dns_56in the screen section i have Option         "AllowGLXWithComposite" "True"   and    Option         "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "True"01:50
zerwashm ok i have read about this option..01:51
zerwaswill be back in a second01:51
dns_56run nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals,01:51
zerwasi tried, but it says: "Invalid commandline"01:51
zerwasi think adding the option to xorg.conf is the same...01:52
dns_56yeah it is just a small application that edit's the xorg.conf for you01:52
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zerwasokay01:52
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chrisboyleRAOF: Bug #145182 filed and xorg.conf attached.01:54
ubotuLaunchpad bug 145182 in xserver-xgl "Xgl breaks xinerama (with nVidia TwinViewXineramaInfo)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14518201:54
zerwasnothing changed :-(..and it says (WW) Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" is not used01:54
dns_56you got it in the screen section?01:55
zerwas...in "Device"01:56
zerwasshould it go into "Screen"? :-o01:56
dns_56yes01:56
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zerwasok did it and restarted X, but still: (WW) Option "AddARGBGLXVisuals" is not used01:59
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zerwasshould i try Envy?02:03
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dns_56no idea, you do have:  Load           "glx"    in modules?02:05
zerwassure02:06
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dns_56my xorg.conf that i use, have a look and see if there is something missing, or post your xorg.conf > http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38629/02:12
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martijnhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38630/02:32
martijncan anyone help me with installed compiz-fusion?02:32
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Ownatikhi, I accidently killed sftab, is there a way I can regenerate it?02:33
Ownatikfstab*02:35
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dns_56Ownatik: manually, don't think there is a backup anywhere02:37
Ownatikif it's auto generated at first start , couldn't there be a wayu?02:38
dns_56it is generated on install, i would start from scratch myself . create a temporary folder and try and mount partitions yourself to see what they are02:39
dns_56there is no automatic tool, only the information that the partition manager generates as you format your hard drive02:40
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weltallsorry i have a strange problem with amd64 builds which isn't present on x86 builds02:55
weltallthey both start and i see the first lines of the kernel02:55
weltallbut when the ubuntu logo should appear the screen power offs and doesn't power on again02:56
weltallthe system completes booting but i can't see anything02:56
dns_56what kernel?02:56
weltallthe one in tribe502:58
__timweltall: got that too (on macbook pro rev.3 with nvidia 8600M GT), have always had it with gutsy; but for me at least the screen powers on again when gdm starts02:58
weltallsame card02:58
weltallcould disabling the logo help?02:58
dns_56well i have not had any problems with 2.6.22-12-generic (current) and 2.6.22-10-generic02:59
__timsometimes there's a filesystem check, then it takes a while to come up ...02:59
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weltallbut i waited till the system was ready03:00
weltallso no access on disk and cd03:00
weltalli've even tried the current version built on the 22nd03:01
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weltall2.6.22-12-generic (buildd@crested) #1 SMP Thu Sep 20 18:19:18 GMT 2007.....p.fQf.....fI03:02
weltallwell maybe i will try again with logo disabled03:03
weltalli'm talking about live cd anyway03:04
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jussi01any kubuntu'ers have alt+f2 not working?03:19
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jussi01mine just doesnt do anything03:20
jussi01:(03:20
Tm_Tjussi01: if you mean rundialog, I have it in super-r03:24
jussi01Tm_T: yeah... is yours broken?03:24
Tm_Tnope03:24
Tm_Tthough I dont use gutsy ;)03:24
jussi01hmmm... weird... when did they change that?03:25
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jussi01super + r works...03:25
eagles0513875i am having a problem. just changed the time zone im in but the time is write but not right time of day03:25
Tm_Tjussi01: super-r is KDE default03:26
eagles0513875for some reaosn when i go into adjust time and date it wont let me change the time03:26
Tm_Tjussi01: IIRC though not sure03:26
jussi01Tm_T: ok... didnt know that - alt + f2 always worked in the past03:26
eagles0513875te03:26
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aantipopuhm ubuntu servers down ?03:42
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aantipoptry to ping ubuntu.com ubuntuforums.org03:44
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void^works for me03:46
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kling0nhello :) Im looking for a fairly stratightforward way to backup amy package list and revert to something resembling an ubuntu-minimal installation.... any suggestions for a good way of doing so? I'm not completely at home with apt-get with regards to removing stuff with all dependencies nor generating my package list in a usable format03:46
kling0n*straightforward*03:46
aantipopthey definitly have problems right now03:48
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weltalli was able to launch03:50
weltallgutsy03:50
weltallwith splash and quiet removed03:50
weltallfrom the kernel command line03:50
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SpiritDoki i just upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy now Vmware Aint running my Virtual machine03:51
SpiritDany ideas?03:51
kling0nreinstall vmware03:52
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SpiritDoO03:52
weltallyeah you need to remake the kernel module03:52
weltallrestart the configuration process03:52
stefgSpiritD: The vmware kernel modules for the gutsy kernel aren't ready yet03:53
SpiritDty stefg03:53
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stefgSpiritD: but as i found the gutsy repos still hold vmplayer 1.x consider using the tarball from vmware.com and build your own (you need the any-any-patch)03:54
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SpiritDhmm oki cheers03:54
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LjLis anybody else experiencing problems with - apparently - some keys being mistakenly detected as being kept pressed, when they've only been hit once?04:09
LjLspecifically, my Yakuake trigger key (the "Menu" key) seems to behave like that, resulting in Yakuake showing and hiding in a loop04:09
PiciDid you spill something on your keyboard??04:10
LjLthis used to happen for me in Edgy, too, but 1) it was fixed in Feisty and 2) it also happened with other keys, while now only Menu has that problem04:10
LjLPici: no :)04:10
LjLalternatively, might there be any way to force X to avoid triggering repeat for that key?04:10
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Undress_Bonifaciany one knows how to install vpn in ubuntu 6.06?04:11
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LjLUndress_Bonifaci, 6.06 support is in #ubuntu04:12
magical_trevsky  linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-12-generic: Depends: linux-image-2.6.22-12-generic but it is not installable < anyone know what's up with that?04:12
LjL!info linux-image-2.6.22-1204:12
ubotuPackage linux-image-2.6.22-12 does not exist in gutsy04:12
LjL!info linux-image-2.6.22-12-generic04:12
ubotulinux-image-2.6.22-12-generic: Linux kernel image for version 2.6.22 on x86/x86_64. In component main, is optional. Version 2.6.22-12.39 (gutsy), package size 18090 kB, installed size 62292 kB04:12
LjLmagical_trevsky, try "sudo apt-get install linux-image-2.6.22-12-generic" to find out why it's not installable, perhaps04:12
Undress_Bonifaciok tnx LjL04:12
magical_trevskyLjL, got it, ty04:13
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darkhackmorning all04:13
LjL!vpn | Undress_Bonifaci, anyway04:13
ubotuUndress_Bonifaci, anyway: From more information on vpn please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD04:13
darkhackSo everyone here install gutsy?04:14
LjLUndress_Bonifaci: uhm no sorry that's probably not what you want04:14
LjLdarkhack: if not everyone, then i guess most04:14
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darkhack<LjL>I see04:15
Undress_Bonifaciok thank u guys04:15
boritekhi there! I have ubuntu gutsy and gnome-panel freezes too often and slows down the system04:15
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darkhackAnyway, a few thing that need to be fix like why is there two doc and desktop folder on places menu04:16
darkhackanother is there should be a download folder in the places menu04:16
darkhackdon't know if anyone here agree with me anyway04:17
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LjLdarkhack, you should check if the two folders thing has already been reported as a bug, and if not, report it04:18
LjLi don't have GNOME myself04:18
darkhacki see04:18
LjLabout the Download folder, well, perhaps you could submit that as a wishlist. of course however, all (at least the most important) programs that can download stuff should be modified to go there by default04:19
darkhackboy it hard to choose between gnome and kde04:19
darkhackI notices kde 4.0 look pretty sexy04:19
LjLit's not released yet, however, and it's still relatively far from releasable state04:19
darkhackbut heck you have to weit till christmas or before it to be releases04:20
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martosshi folks04:26
worbleI tried to boot my Gutsy system today and it could not find my LVM volume groups. What should I do?04:27
jussi01worble: have you tried the preious kernel?04:27
jussi01previous*04:27
worblejussi01: Yes04:28
worbleThe first time I booted it complained about the volume group having too many levels of symbolic links04:28
martosscan anyone confirm, that gutsy digikam has an empty usb-camera list?04:29
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fr500hello04:30
martosshi04:30
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worbleIs it possible to do recovery on LVM volumes?04:31
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jetsaredimis there anyone that can look at 14096704:53
Picibug 14096704:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 140967 in hotkey-setup "package hotkey-setup 0.1-17ubuntu19 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14096704:53
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fr500i have this laptop, with front panle audio controls04:55
fr500it was working on feisty04:55
fr500i reinstalled feisty due broken hd04:56
fr500and never worked again04:56
fr500i installed gutsy and is not working either04:56
fr500but i don't think i ever did anything to make they work on previous feisty04:56
Pici!hotkeys | fr500 try this04:56
ubotufr500 try this: Keyboard shortcuts can be set in System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts (Gnome) or "Input Actions" in KControl (KDE). If your multimedia keys don't work with that, try the 'keytouch' package, explained at http://keytouch.sourceforge.net (GNOME) or https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KDEMultimediaKeys (KDE) - See !Keyboard for changing layouts04:56
fr500Pici: it's not working04:57
fr500it's not keyboard based keys04:58
fr500it's a toshiba hardware interface i think04:58
fr500like one month ago, i figured it was working04:58
fr500finally since warty, but now i can't get it to work once again04:58
fr500!Keyboard04:59
ubotuTo find out how to switch your keyboard layout, See https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts04:59
Picifr500: Even with keytouch?04:59
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fr500Pici: even with keytouch, and i never installed keytouch before04:59
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jetsaredimPici: that hotkey-setup bug is causing kubuntu-desktop to fail to install/upgrade05:00
GuyFromHellnm-applet seems to have completely forgotten that one of my network cards (wireless) exists. where could i start snooping to see what the problem is?05:01
zerwasGuyFromHell, /etc/network/interfaces05:01
jetsaredimGuyFromHell: does it show up in ifconfig?05:01
GuyFromHelljetsaredim, yes, i'm runnign on wireless now but i had to set it up by hand05:01
jetsaredimare you running networkmanager?05:02
GuyFromHellzerwas, i can see the interface there after some "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" line05:02
jetsaredimi recently had a similar issue with my wifi hw on my laptop05:02
GuyFromHelljetsaredim, i guess, i can use nm-applet to connect when i'm wired.05:02
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jetsaredimi had put some information into the interfaces file that zerwas mentioned and that was preventing networkmanager from auto-detecting my network05:03
fr500does anoyne here have a toshiba laptop?05:03
jetsaredimcheck that file to see if there is anything in there other than auto <iface_name>05:03
GuyFromHelljetsaredim, alright i'm going to try this, in case what i do causes my wireless to die, thanks guys05:04
jetsaredimjust paste the contents of that file on rafb05:04
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GuyFromHelljetsaredim, a wpa-psk is safe to put on the tubes, right? that's encrypted, no?05:05
jetsaredimwell05:05
jetsaredimthat might be your problem05:05
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GuyFromHelljetsaredim, meh, i tought this happened when i was messing arround with wpa-supplicant but i couldn't be sure, let me delete that and see what happens05:06
clem92Hi05:06
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YazzYhi guys05:06
jetsaredimlike i said - if you have anything in there related to configuration other than "auto" none of the auto-connection tools will touch your interface because they will think its manually configured05:06
YazzYI am ubuntu gutsy with 2.6.22-12-generic kernel, after update from 2.6.22-11 I lost my sound due to lack of the snd_hda_intel module. Any idea why it was left out and where i can get it?05:06
clem92What's the standard theme in gutsy, please?05:06
jussi01YazzY: youre welcome :)05:06
YazzYjussi01: :)05:07
jussi01!intelhda | YazzY05:07
ubotuYazzY: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto05:07
fr500!toshiba05:07
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about toshiba - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi05:07
YazzYjussi01: thanks again05:07
jussi01YazzY: :D05:08
clem92Can anyone tell me, what's the new standard theme in Gutsy?05:08
fr500and an annoying bug....05:12
fr500synaptic always shows the warning screen05:12
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GuyFromHell_jetsaredim, works now =) thank you05:13
martossclem92, now we come to the real interesting questions. But asking twice won't help there...05:14
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clem92martoss: ^^05:15
frogdusterI know this sounds like a rather idiotic question..  ..but how do I get nautilus to forget my passwords in gutsy?05:16
frogduster(More accurately, I suppose, how do I get the keyring to remove them, etc).05:16
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skarfacewhat's the suggested method for adding medibuntu repos to gutsy?05:17
fr500is there a tool to scan for any input, be it keyboard or acpi or mouse to see if my keystrokes are being detected?05:18
skarfacenevermind...05:18
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martossfr500, not sure what you exactly mean, you might try xev05:27
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EstethHas anyone used ENVY before/after upgrading to gutsy? It says "You must remove these drivers before upgrading to a new distribution version", but i'm not keen on removing graphics drivers, and specifically don't want to have trouble getting them working again under gutsy05:28
jetsaredimGuyFromHell_: no prob05:29
jetsaredimlike i said - i only knew because I ran into the same thing only over the weekend05:29
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dedihey there, i just upgraded to gusty, and having troubles booting, getting a kernel panic when trying to boot from my lvm with: new kernel normal, new kernel recovery mode, old kernel. the only one that works is the old kernel recovery, and no clue why this works and the other ones not. here is my grub menu.lst: http://pastebin.org/341005:30
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dediEsteth: if you dont want trouble, dont upgrade to gusty :)05:30
Estethdedi: Ok, i assumed this close to release it'd be reasonably stable and people would just be ironing out minor issues. One more question then: When gutsy comes out of beta, will i have to remove compiz-fusion from feisty so i don't get conflicts with the one from gutsy?05:31
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dediEsteth: like the patch notes already say, itsbetter to remove compiz, own graphic drivers, so there has to be a reason05:32
frogdusterresolved.. ..thx.05:33
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Estethdedi: Thanks, and sorry about not having read the patchnotes ;_;05:33
dediEsteth: its easy said, if you dont want trouble, wait for the final release and some days aheead, if you like to play around with linux, go already gusty05:34
dedithis i generally :)05:34
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variantfor some reason, in any full screen game the mouse pointer/cross hair will jump to the center of the screen 2 or 3 seconds after having moved it. anyone know what i can do to fix that?05:37
Estethdedi: I'm comfortable with playing around, but i don't really know how to fix things in linux yet. Only been using it a little over a month now.05:37
dedifixing things is the biggest part of playing around ^^05:38
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Estethhehe. Not long until official release anyway now, so i can wait :)05:39
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variantok, i fixed it. was unclutter that caused the problem05:42
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fr500hrmmmmm05:43
fr500actually i never cared about this keys till they began to work05:43
fr500now i'm pissed05:43
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d1006anyone tried the beta candidate iso's out since yesterday or so? specifically/especially the one for 64bit arch?05:52
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Vegarhow do I get the desktop cube?05:56
Vegardo I have to install some extra packages?05:56
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darxgreetings05:58
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darxhow can i run firefox 3 alpha 8 on gutsy.05:59
darxeven though i made the the start script executable, it still doesnt run for somereason05:59
Lunar_LampHow do I go about tracking a dumped core segfault when I try to start mythfrontend?06:00
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PiciLunar_Lamp: I guess you could try starting it as an argument to strace06:04
Lunar_LampPici: yes, that's a good idea, I'll try that later.06:05
Lunar_LampI couldn't see any information in launchpad about the bug, so I'm not sure if it's just a problem at my end or not yet.06:06
Lunar_LampBut that kind of error always is a bug really, even if it's an obscure use-case.06:06
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DaSkreechAnyone having issues with cookies on the new konqueror?06:19
neildarlowhas anyone got a workaround for hplip/cupsys non--printing with usb printer?06:19
DaSkreechMore specifically Gmail keeps telling me that I need cookies06:22
neildarlowDaSkreech: and you have them enabled?06:22
DaSkreechSo Konqueror says06:23
DaSkreechShe hasn't lied to me before06:23
DaSkreechBut I may be naive06:23
neildarlowDaSkreech: can you view cookies to see if any have been set?06:23
DaSkreechSure gimme a sec06:24
DaSkreechYes there are cookies06:24
DaSkreechI can view them except the ones from Google06:25
neildarlowDaSkreech: it might be a third-party thing. perhaps you're enabling them for the originating domain only and it wants to set some other06:25
DaSkreechNo  wait I can it just took a while06:25
DaSkreechHmm I do have that enabled06:26
DaSkreechlets see06:26
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DaSkreechNope06:27
kuHI06:27
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neildarlowDaSkreech: it's been a while since i used KDE. i can only suggest trawling through the cookie settings06:28
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DaSkreechneildarlow: Thanks just wanted to see if it was someting funky with this machine or if someone can replicate it06:29
neildarlowit's probably a gutsy'ism06:30
DaSkreechI was using it last night with no issues06:30
DaSkreechAh I should learn not to update when things are good :)06:30
neildarlowthat's the way with beta stuff06:30
DaSkreechWell you guys have your stuff cut out for hardy :)06:31
neildarlowi'm stuck without printing (via hplip) at the moment. perhaps an update will make it right06:31
mluser-workHello, I did an upgrade from feisty to Gutsy.  I would like to remove my old feisty kernels, can someone tell me how to remove them please?06:31
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neildarlowmluser-work: the upgrade removed mine for me. search in synaptic for linux-image and linux-headers, i think06:32
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DaSkreechmluser-work: Just apt-get remove them06:33
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neildarlowmluser-work: in synaptic they might already be marked as obsolete06:34
ramatiegSetting up linux-image-2.6.22-12-386 (2.6.22-12.39) ...06:36
ramatiegInternal Error: Could not find image (/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.22-12-386)06:36
neildarlowramatieg: how did you do that?06:36
ramatiegneildarlow: apt-get upgrade06:36
neildarlowramatieg: ah. i did it the update-manager -c -d way. absolutely no issues06:37
ramatiegA few packages (image, kernel modules) are stuck unconfigured (I did this a few days ago).06:38
ramatiegHow can I fix this?06:38
neildarlowi have used synaptic to fix broken packages in the past06:39
ramatieg(It might have been a dist-upgrade and not upgrade)06:39
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neildarlowramatieg: i think it probably was :)06:39
neildarlowif you do the dist-upgrade route, you might have to do it more than once06:40
ramatiegOkay, I removed the package. But now it doesn't show up in 'upgrade' or 'dist-upgrade'.06:41
neildarlowramatieg: you'll need to install it now06:42
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ramatiegneildarlow: 'remove' removes it from the potential upgrades?06:44
ramatiegI'm trying to figure out if the packages were redacted (no longer recommended to install)06:45
Piciramatieg: remove = uninstall06:45
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ramatiegPici: Yes, but since I have the metapackage linux-image shouldn't it still show up as a suggested upgrade?06:46
Piciramatieg: Unless its not a dependency anymore06:47
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ramatiegPici: Okay. That's what I wanted to knwo06:47
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cypherdelicKids dont do Gates!07:09
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roktangent_will update-manager be able to be used to do an LTS-->LTS upgrade...or will the normal increment upgrade method be used?  I'm thinking about 8.04LTS.07:10
cypherdelicroktangent: is there any info out about the new release?07:10
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roktangent_well since 8.04 will be the 2nd LTS release, I was wondering.07:11
LjLhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/lts-upgrades07:12
roktangent_thanks07:13
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virtuelvAre there known problems with automounting of ext3 removable volumes?07:21
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sochi07:24
soci have a question regarding the fonts07:24
socis there a difference between "sans" and "dejavu sans"?07:24
socor are they symlinked somehow ...07:24
socbecause they look the same07:25
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Picisoc: I believe Dejavu has extended unicode characters in addition to the default sans layout.07:26
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DickyHi, how can i burn an iso to CD by using the terminal?07:27
rom1vgnomefreak: are you here?07:29
saispoanyone have some problem with bcm43xx and gutsy kernel ?07:32
gnomefreakrom1v: no im not here today feeling kind of crappy today so ill be in bed most of the day.07:34
rom1v:(07:34
rom1vdo you have some news from asic07:34
rom1vasac07:34
rom1vfor my wifi wpa pb?07:34
gnomefreakrom1v: no not yet i spoke to him for like 3 minutes this morning on something else and told him ill be gone most of day, do you have bug report?07:35
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rom1vyes : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/14488207:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 144882 in network-manager "ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH] : Operation not supported" [Undecided,New] 07:35
gnomefreakrom1v: give me a bug number and ill post it for him to look at when he returned07:35
gnomefreakah yes i remember htis one07:35
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rom1vwhat's the result of 850*77.1 ? :)07:37
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Pici!offtopic07:37
ubotu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!07:37
rom1v;)07:37
Stormx2rom1v: 65535 off the top of my head.07:38
gnomefreakrom1v: ok i posted it to him, he will ping me when he gets back or he will just comment on it, thats all i can do today since i lost all my build dirs. from testing beta ISO's so ill wait to hear what he says07:38
rom1vyes, but not for excel 2007, where the result is 10000007:38
Stormx2rom1v: I know.07:38
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rom1vok07:38
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panosruHi07:40
panosruI have updated to gutsy today07:40
panosrubut when i try to set Visual Effects07:41
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panosrunot only effects not working but window titles disapears07:41
panosrudisappears*07:41
gnomefreaknvidia?07:41
rathellmao I finally got AWN working, and I'm running Openbox, anyone know how I can get it to appear on all my desktops?07:41
panosruyes07:41
panosrunvidia 7300GS07:41
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gnomefreakpanosru: try adding these Option          "AddARGBVisuals"        "True" Option          "AddARGBGLXVisuals"     "True"07:42
gnomefreakto Section device in /etc/X11/xorg.conf07:43
panosruand when i press to visual effects preferences i got an error window that says: Sorry, CompizConfig settings Manager closed unexpectedly07:43
gnomefreakpanosru: if you use restricted-manager to enable nvidia drivers (with gutsy) its adds everything and automaticcly starts it (this is not the case on upgrade07:44
panosrui used restricted-manager07:44
gnomefreakpanosru: on feisty you did07:44
panosruno on feisty i used envy07:44
gnomefreakand there can be your biggest issue if you upgraded07:45
panosruso what can i do for this now?07:45
gnomefreakenvy is far from safe to use on your system07:45
emet!info qemu07:46
gnomefreakpanosru: TBH i would back things up that you need and grab the daily ISO, all my issues went away with a clean install07:46
ubotuqemu: fast processor emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.0-2ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 4013 kB, installed size 10792 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 powerpc alpha sparc arm armeb armel s390 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)07:46
emet!info qemu feisty07:46
ubotuqemu: fast processor emulator. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2+dfsg-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 3465 kB, installed size 9460 kB (Only available for amd64 i386 powerpc alpha sparc arm s390 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)07:46
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gnomefreakpanosru: or you need to get rid of everything nvidia realted including l-r-m and everything else.07:46
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panosruif i uninstall envy ? will it work?07:47
gnomefreakpanosru: personally after testing the beta release i was extreamly pleased that it fixed all my X issues and everything else07:47
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gnomefreakpanosru: no envy is just a script you need to remove --purge EVERYTHING envy did to install the drivers07:47
panosruok i did it through envy (selected the uninstall nvidia drivers)07:48
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gnomefreakenvy grabs from nvidia.com and builds the restricted-modules package for your kernel (you are now not using ubuntus restricted-modules for nvidia but nvidias. the nvidia script you get from nvidia.com has a way to remove the r-m package it built but envy does not07:49
gnomefreakpanosru: does it remove the restrictd-modules package it built?07:49
panosrui don;t know :(07:49
gnomefreakpanosru: last i heard no it didnt. unless he fixed it (but either way i find using restricted-manager a lot easier since its one click and done07:50
gnomefreakpanosru: you NEED to know07:50
baastruphey there, I have had som problems with my nvidia card and opengl support, its a geforce 3, so i tryed the legacy driver without luck, the nvidia-glx should be the right one to use but, i did a sudo modprobe -v nvidia and could see that it tryes to probe nvidia_new insted of nvidia so I did an insmod nvidia.ko and everything works, but how do I correct it so it works aftr next reeboot=07:50
gnomefreakpanosru: it will bork your X all up if you keep them there07:50
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panosruw8 a sec  brb07:51
gnomefreakwhen you go to use differnet drivers (most common error is cant find volital.so (sp)07:51
jsomershas anyone experience with backing up evolution?07:51
gnomefreakoh well im gone the pain pills are kicking in big time07:51
jsomersI restored .evolution, .gconf/apps/evolution and .gnome2_private/evolution, but it still asks me to create an account if I start it07:52
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jetsaredimis there a way to get a package that was on feisty brought forward to gutsy?07:59
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PriceChildjetsaredim, if it was removed from gutsy, probably for a reason08:01
Picijetsaredim: there was probably a reason for tis removal...08:01
Picijetsaredim: What package.08:01
jetsaredimvmware-server-kernel-modules08:01
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jetsaredimon feisty the source package was l-r-m, but its not there for gutsy and the modules aren't in the l-r-m for gutsy either08:02
jetsaredimits like someone needs to flip the switch to enable it08:03
PiciI'm completely guessing here, but is it possible that was rolled up into linux-image-virtual08:03
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jetsaredimPici: good question08:03
jetsaredimhmm - looking at the description on packages.ubuntu.com it looks like that is meant to be run inside a vmware guest08:05
PiciHm..08:05
jetsaredimto me it looks like no one has triggered a build for that package on gutsy yet08:05
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mrtimdogHi, I'm having trouble getting any sound from my HDA Intel integrated sound. Are there any known problems at the mo?08:10
Picijetsaredim: I'm not sure... could could try asking about it in #ubuntu-kernel, but be patient, its not exactly a support channel.08:11
ReL1Kanyone with a T61 + intel video card got dual monitors work? I have a docking station one with VGA other with DVI, want to have two desktops..08:11
Picimrtimdog: There were issues a while ago, have you been updating?08:11
mrtimdogI have, at latest os of a few mins ago.08:12
jetsaredimPici: i did ask in there - have been asking in there for about a week now08:12
Picihmm08:12
PiciAnd no answers?08:12
jetsaredimthere are at least a couple bugs filed against this08:12
PiciAny takes on the bugs?08:13
jetsaredimthey are unanswered08:13
jetsaredimthe only answer i got was build the modules from source08:13
jetsaredimwhich i had been doing08:13
PiciWhat about in #ubuntu-motu?08:14
jetsaredimhaven't tried there08:14
nandemonaimrtimdog: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/130559 might be related.08:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 130559 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03) - no sound" [Medium,Triaged] 08:14
geserdoes somebody know if the xserver-xorg-video-radoenhd driver is usable?08:14
mrtimdognandemonai: Thanks, I missed that one. Been through a few simlar bugs, but older.08:15
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ReL1Kanyone know why i can't have more then two desktops in compiz? if its off can do 3-4-5-6 or whatever, but as soon as its turned on it only shows two desktops, i.e. cant do full cube08:25
PiciReL1K: You need to change the preferences inside the general portion of ccsm to configure more than 2 desktops08:25
ReL1KPici, how do I do that, sorry?08:26
ReL1Kgot it08:27
ReL1Kgot into the compiz stuff, thanks will check it out08:27
ReL1Kthanks pici08:27
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ReL1Kworks great thanks again pici08:28
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mac__where to download the next release of ubuntu?08:31
mac__I mean test run08:31
PiciHave you read an understood the topic?08:32
mac__ya08:32
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mac__I in IT line have many spare P4 and core 2 dual to test run08:32
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Picimac__: You can find isos on cdimage.ubuntu.com08:33
mac__thanks08:33
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ReL1Kor google download gutsy :P08:35
ReL1Kthere anyway to change the icon on the top of the cube and bottom?08:35
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kurrosmac__: beware of the current cd images if you see an .OVERSIZED file08:36
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Webbmasterany idea why i can kdesu into other user's graphical programs in feisty but not gutsy?08:48
neildarlowWebbmaster: improved security in gutsy maybe?08:49
Webbmasterneildarlow: hmmmm08:49
Webbmasterneildarlow: i have that person's password tho08:50
WebbmasterXlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server08:50
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panosruHi09:03
panosrugnomefreak are you here?09:03
gnomefreakpanosru: not really09:03
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panosrugnomefreak can you help me now? or you are busy?09:04
gnomefreakpanosru: depends what it is09:04
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panosruwell i uninstall envy and nvidia drivers then installed them through restricted driver manager and reboot... all are ok now but again09:06
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panosruwhen i try to run Visual Effects, 1) i don't have titles in windows09:06
panosru2) effects not working09:06
panosru3) compiz setting manager not working but it crash09:06
panosruthese are my problems after update  from feisty to gutsy09:07
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gnomefreakpanosru: make sur eyou have the 2 lines i gave you earlier in xorg.conf09:07
panosru"Sorry, CompizConfig Settings Manager closed unexpectedly"09:07
panosruyes i have them, i have to put them in screen?09:07
SergemineGutsy Beta be reliesed tomorrow?09:07
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gnomefreakpanosru: open /etc/X11/xorg.conf in your fav editor09:08
gnomefreakSergemine: about that09:08
gnomefreakpanosru: under Section "device" do you have the following 2 lines09:08
gnomefreakpanosru: Option          "AddARGBVisuals"        "True"09:08
panosruyes i have them09:08
SergemineAre is only one beta planned for this release, right?09:09
gnomefreakOption          "AddARGBGLXVisuals"     "True"09:09
panosruhttp://pastebin.com/db07c44909:09
kirkunitgot a question about upgrading from Feisty to Gutsy. Can some tell me the best method? Last time I used the gksu command rather than doing a dist-upgrade.09:09
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gnomefreakSergemine: yes rc is next09:09
SergemineGreat! CANT WAIT!!!09:09
gnomefreakpanosru: ar eyou sure nvidia's build restricted-modules is gone?09:09
gnomefreakpanosru: Screen  0 what is this for?09:10
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kirkunit!upgrade09:10
ubotuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes09:10
kirkunitheh09:10
gnomefreakkirkunit: make sure you have the latest version of update-manager i cant remember if its in backports or updates, im thinking backports but make sur eyou have it or it will fail09:11
panosrui uninstalled everything from envy and envy it self then reboot and had a 800x600 screen and no nvidia drivers then opened restricted manager and checked nvidia drivers it downloaded the drivers and installed it and required restart so i restarted and then nvidia logo appeared before i login09:11
gnomefreakkirkunit: if you give me a minute ill grab the site09:11
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panosrui don't know what is this Screen 0 it appeared after update09:11
gnomefreakpanosru: than im not sure try asking in #ubuntu-effects09:11
panosruok man thanks ;) will try there :D09:12
panosrubut except this everything else works09:12
panosrubetween is there any wish list?09:12
panosruabout ubuntu?09:12
kirkunitgnomefreak: so sudo apt-get dist-upgrade won't work?09:12
gnomefreakkirkunit: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta09:12
magehahaha for some reason the new graphics thing sees I have a 1680x1050 monitor, but doesn't give me that resolution as a choice09:12
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gnomefreakkirkunit: no read that link i just gave you09:12
kirkunitthanks09:13
gnomefreakkirkunit: its important you follow the directions under "Upgrading from Feisty)09:13
neildarlowkirkunit: you need update-manager from feisty proposed-updates09:13
gnomefreakthere has been fixes in update-manager version0.59.25 to allow it to upgrade better09:13
gnomefreakneildarlow: its in feisty-updates09:13
kirkunitgnomefreak, neildarlow: thanks... good job I checked here. otherwise i might have hosed my system09:13
neildarlowkirkunit: i did "sudo dbus-launch update-manager -c -d"09:14
gnomefreakdbus-launch? why was it crashing?09:14
neildarlowgnomefreak: no, it complained it couldn't start dbus09:14
gnomefreakah ok maybe thats why that post was added to beta wiki :)09:15
neildarlowgnomefreak: update-manager may be in feisty-updates but a newer one was in proposed. it was recommended to use it on the wiki iirc09:15
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neildarlowanyway the upgrade was flawess doing it that way09:16
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gnomefreakneildarlow: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta09:17
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neildarlowhmm. that information must've been updated. i did pick-up that version though.09:18
gnomefreakthe link i gave was the one posting in the devel meeting this morning09:19
SergemineGuys, oppening http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ page gives: Not Found The requested URL /releases/gutsy/ was not found on this server. Shouldn't this page be there ono-dependant on Beta page awailable? So is Beta released already?09:19
mrtimdogStill having trouble getting audio to work, not sure what else to look at at the mo.09:19
mrtimdogPici: Do you know if the recent problems were fixed?09:20
neildarlowPici: looks like it might be an earlier version09:20
Picimrtimdog: The ones I mentioned earlier were fixed after tribe 5 I think09:20
PiciSergemine: The beta isnt out yet.09:21
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mrtimdogAh, then I think there may still be problems with Intel HDA, at least unless I've done something odd here.09:22
mrtimdogAnyone here know anything of the snd_hda_intel drivers?09:23
jussi01!intelhda | mrtimdog09:23
ubotumrtimdog: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto09:23
neildarlowdoes anyone know of issues relating to hplip/cupsys/apparmor? my usb printer is seen by hplip but won't print anything09:23
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ConstyXIVhas anyone tried guild wars with wine in gutsy?09:24
mrtimdogjussi01: Thanks, giving it a try...09:24
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jussi01mrtimdog: :)09:24
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bstockhey, trying out gutsy tribe 5, trying to add a printer and it keeps asking for my password, but it wont accept my user or root password09:26
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gnomefreakbstock: use the daily ISO to install (if you upgraded than there maybe something that went wrong there (im not here though)09:27
gnomefreaktrying to get away and lay down09:27
soothsayerbstock: Network printer?09:27
bstockhmm i used the tribe 5 cd, and did all the updates in apt this morning09:28
bstockyeah network printer09:28
ggilbertIs anyone here using a P35 Core 2 Duo motherboard with Gutsy?09:28
soothsayerbstock: Is it asking for your Windows SMB user/pass credentials?09:28
bstocktried using the auto-detected one as well as HP JetDirect printer09:28
bstocki don't think so, asking 'password for bstock on localhost?'09:28
bstocki just reset my user password to something simple and still not working09:29
neildarlowbstock: is this adding via cups web interface?09:29
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bstockvia Printer Configuration screen from System -> Administration -> Printing09:30
bstockthen clicking 'New Printer' button right away09:30
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neildarlowbstock: ok. not experienced any problem there09:31
bstockhmm09:31
bstockmaybe it's just this printer? let me try another networked printer09:31
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bstockhmm asking the same thing for another printer, different manufacturer too09:32
bstockso, sounds like something local09:32
SergemineOK. Guys, I have a Q that is very big for me. Need your experts' piece of advice: I use a SAMSUNG R40+ Laptop equipped with ATI RADEION EXPRESS 1250. It wasn't automaically recognized by Feisty (it may be the screen though that caused the problem), but connecting another sceen gave me a chance to install the RADEON's driver and reconfigure the xserver. It work good afterwards, but was pretty scary when doing it all manually. Now, does 09:33
Sergemine*How does IT work?09:34
cypherdelicHello, mozilla-flash-nonfree doesnt work for me since the last update, i see black you tube frame with a zero play doesnt work09:35
cypherdelicyesterday  youtube worked09:35
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jussi01cypherdelic:09:38
jussi01try flashplugin-nonfree09:38
neildarlowcypherdelic: 9.0.48.0.0ubuntu11 works ok here09:39
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tormodSergemine: what did you do to make it work?09:46
SergemineI installed the Radeon driver first, then did xserver-reconfigure and went through thewizard the "advanced" way setting the display size atc...09:47
tormodSergemine: is it automatically recognized in Gutsy?09:47
Sergeminetormod, Nope09:48
tormodSergemine: you get vesa instead?09:48
Sergeminetormod, I wasn't able to boot a nightly build09:48
Sergemineyes09:48
tormodand vesa displays on the wrong output/screen?09:49
Sergemineand my greaphics would probablywork with that, but the sceen res is 1280 by 900 so it fails09:49
tormodhave you tried a recent daily?09:49
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Sergemineno, waiting for beta09:50
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tormodwhat version of ati did you install09:50
tormod?09:50
Sergeminetormod, I heard of this BulletProofX feature and thought may be that's the solution for my prob09:51
tormodSergemine: it might be, but much better if it picks ati and ati works :)09:51
SergemineI tried ATI from the list, but it didn't work with that09:52
Sergemineit uses some other driver09:52
tormoddid you file a bug report?09:52
SergemineI will give you the name in a sec09:52
slackernSergemine, You could try the avivo driver too it might work for some r5xx cards09:52
tormodslackern: well if it worked with the -ati driver it is not an r5xx09:53
slackernSergemine, there is a new driver in development named radeonhd also, im running it on my X1950 card right now09:53
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slackerntormod, ahh thats right, i didn't read careful enough :)09:53
cypherdelicjussi01 jussio1 im with flashplugin-nonfree, it doesnt work in current version for me09:55
Sergeminethe search doesn't work for me on packages.ubuntu.com web site ..... =-O09:55
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Sergeminetormod, slackern, sorry, I can't find the name of the driver that worked for me in packages list. It's a name I would never pronounce or remember...09:58
ReL1Kanyone know when intel cards aren't going to be blacklisted? :P09:58
tormodSergemine: a name like xserver-xorg-video-ati ?09:58
cypherdelicjussi01: seems to work right now, hm dont know09:59
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Sergeminetormod, yes, but something else instead of 'ati'09:59
jussi01cypherdelic: good :)09:59
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tormod xserver-xorg-video-vesa ?10:00
jussi01!ati10:00
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto10:00
slackernseems like the x1250 is a r6xx gpu, then it might work with radeonhd10:00
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tormodjussi01: pretty confusing that uboto says "Ati" driver for the fglrx driver. cf ati - the open source one.10:01
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darkhacksup all10:03
SergemineOOOO!10:03
jussi01tormod: if you have a suggestiong, do '/msg ubotu' then in the private msg 'ati is your suggestion here' and the ops will have a look and see if it needs changing!10:03
SergemineFGLRX10:03
Sergemineif I'm not mistaking10:03
cypherdelicjussi01: but YouPorn doesnt work10:03
jussi01!o4o | cypherdelic:10:04
ubotucypherdelic:: Some things are inappropriate for #ubuntu+1.  Controversial topics: war, race, religion, politics (unless related to software licencing), gender, sexuality, drugs, questionable legal activities, removing of oneself from the planet (except by space travel) are not for here, perhaps #off-topic or ##politics. Microsoft software in ##windows (Please note Freenode Policy) - Thanks.10:04
cypherdelicarghs10:04
slackernthe opensource 'ati' driver doesn't support r5xx/r6xx but fglrx could work for you, the r5xx/r6xx opensource driver is still in development and might not work yet for your card and it lacks 2d/3d acceleration still only shadowfb in it to speed it up as far as i know10:04
darkhackanyone know if two documents and desktop on the place menu going to be fix?10:05
tormodSergemine: so when you said you installed the "Radeon" driver you installed the fglrx driver?10:05
Sergeminetormod, xserver-xorg-video-fglrx, http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/misc/xorg-driver-fglrx10:05
cypherdelicjussi01: sry YouP doesnt work ;D i just count that because it doesnt works the videos are in .vfl format, i can download and watch, but browser doesnt work10:05
cypherdelicjust black10:05
Sergeminehttp://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/misc/xorg-driver-fglrx, yep10:05
Sergeminetormad, was I wrong?10:05
SergemineIt has Radeon on the list10:06
darkhackplus I hope they add downloads folder on the places menu10:06
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tormodSergemine: the old ati driver didn't support Xpress, so you had no choice. the new ati driver in beta will work I think.10:06
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darkhackwhich ati driver do u have or using?10:07
slackernSergemine, you have a little simple guide here if you want to try out the new driver in development http://www.digitalself.org/?p=3610:07
darkhackI have X60010:07
skinnypuppy2Anyone know the no title bar fix for gutsy with compiz-fusion? I'm not running a nvidia card. Intel 82865 on a dell 460010:08
tormodslackern: does radeonhd support his Xpress 1250?10:08
Sergeminetormod, ha. thank you. That's GOOD news. I am not familiar with the ATI driver development. Is there a place to see the list of suppoted cards in this new version?10:08
skinnypuppy2Everything else in manager works excellent I just have no titlebars10:08
slackerntormod, Yes it will support it but im not 100% sure if it works right now since it's in heavy development10:08
tormodwhat chipset is the Xpress 1250?10:08
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gravemindis there a problem with udevd the processor all the time?10:09
slackerntormod, RS69010:09
darkhackati 8.41.x will support radeonhd10:09
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slackerntormod, the devs had a x1250 card delivered yesterday or earlier today so it would work fine shortly :)10:09
gravemindfor me at least the processor is on at 100% all the time, with udevd using as much as possible10:09
tormodok I confused it with the Xpress 1150. Sorry forget what I said about the ati driver!10:10
slackerntormod, oh im also confused with all these gpu's out there seems like an ocean, atleast after looking into the rhd_id.c file which lists all cards im scared :)10:11
baastruphey, when i try to probe nvidia.ko i choose nvidia-new insted, and my card is only supported by nvidia10:11
baastrupit10:11
tormodslackern: :) yes I and they use very confusing chipset - modelname mapping (or lack thereof)10:12
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darkhack<  glad amd finally releasing ati driver code to open sources10:12
{{Booh}}Can I apply a patch made for 2.6.15 to my 2.6.22.1 custom kernel?10:12
slackerndarkhack, it's a step in the right direction but it will take some time to get a driver with full 2d/3d acceleration but atleast its' going somewhere now :)10:13
darkhack<slackern>I agree10:13
tormodhey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units says Xpress 1250 is based off X700 - its an RV410 then and not an R6??.10:14
tormodRS6xx = R4xx != R6xx (go ATI Inc)10:14
slackernhaha confusing to say the least10:15
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tormodX700  works perfectly with xserver-xorg-video-ati at least10:15
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darkhackAnyway, I like to know what everyone opinion on Ubuntu Gutsy so far since it near to release or rc releases10:16
nanonymetormod, erm, so what's the conclusion?10:16
slackern0x791E,0x791F,0x793F,0x7941,0x7942 are all in the X1200 series and listed in the radeonhd driver atleast :)10:16
tormodnanonyme: not yet there10:17
slackernmaybe easiest to go into #radeonhd and ask the devs :)10:17
gnomefreakdarkhack: can we get beta released first before close to rc releases is mentioned10:17
tormodSergemine: what is the PCI ID of your card? lspci -vn|grep VGA10:17
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darkhackgnomefreak>I don't think there won't be anymore beta releases and the RC1 will soon be releases10:19
tormoddarkhack: there is one Beta release and it's next week.10:20
darkhackhmmm10:20
gnomefreakdarkhack: beta 1 hasnt been released yet10:21
gnomefreakdarkhack: beta1 than rc110:21
tormoddon't think, search the wiki first (clue: GutsyReleaseSchedule)10:21
darkhackI see10:21
gnomefreaktomorrow is the date it should be released but dont be suprised if its friday10:21
darkhackI'm looking at the scheduler releases right now10:22
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enycbah!10:22
gnomefreakdarkhack: things may change from that but its close to what is gonna/has happened10:24
darkhackI see10:24
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Sergeminetormod, thank you very much for the help. unfortunatly I cannot run the command right now, but will do it tomorrow once I download the new BETA iso! Thank you veru much!10:25
darkhack<gnomefreak>What do you think of it so far?10:25
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tormodSergemine: no problem. please file a bug if the beta doesn't work out of the box!10:25
gnomefreakdarkhack: i blogged about iton planet.ubuntu.com but for a short answer upgrading has some work to be done/ clean install of the beta testing ISO (before beta is released we test them) and it works great10:26
gnomefreakdarkhack: however its not stable and i wouldnt use it on a pc you cant afford for it to not boot10:27
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gnomefreakAmaranth: great job on compiz with mvo testing beta ISos worked great and using r-m to enable drivers gave me the min. compiz effects :) i love it10:28
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Amaranthgnomefreak: thanks :)10:28
gnomefreakAmaranth: no thank you :)10:28
darkhack<gnomefreak>I hope they fix the dup Documents and Desltip folder on the Places menu, plus would be great if they add the Downloads folders on the Places menu10:28
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gnomefreakdarkhack: thats an easy fix and will get done but we are frozen so stuff like that will have to wait10:29
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gnomefreakbut yes i agree10:29
darkhack<gnomefreak>i see10:30
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gnomefreakok im going to get this thing building for weekend/monday upload10:31
darkhackgood luck gnomefreak10:31
gnomefreakthanks im gonna need it :(10:31
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darkhackWell, I'm off testing out ubuntu and other distro10:34
darkhacklater all10:34
darkhackkeep up the good work10:34
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Colossus73hello10:36
{{Booh}}I'm on dual xeon 64bits.  I have kernel panic (custom 2.6.22.1) about "not syncing: swiotlb_alloc_coherent: allocated memory is out of range for device".  EM64T doesn't support I/O TLBs.  Is there an option in kernel config tu disable it?10:36
Colossus73helloI have a problem with the update-notifier; it doesn't notify the updates with the icon in the systray10:36
{{Booh}}I don't know what it is at all!10:36
Colossus73I even reinstalled both upgrade-manager and update-notifier but the problem still lies10:36
Colossus73the daemon is running in the background10:37
Colossus73but the updates are not notified in the systray10:37
Colossus73if I run it from the console I can see the other icons in the systray moving a bit like a new icon is to appear10:37
Colossus73but then they return to the original position10:37
Colossus73ca anyone help me please^10:38
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Aondoanyone can give warsow a short test for me? just enter the menu with lower res than you have on you normal desktop. my warsow keeps getting really narrow on both sides, except when i have set it to use same res as my X is currently using.10:38
so1hi10:38
so1will gimp stay at rc2 or will it be updated when the final will be released?10:38
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amiocan any one help please since I upgraded to 7.10 and the video resolution doesnt work good at all. I have ati10:43
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amiocan any one help please since I upgraded to 7.10 and the video resolution doesnt work good at all. I have ati10:44
CountXamio, have you looked online?10:45
CountX!ati10:46
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto10:46
CountXi would try loging in and installing the drivers for ati10:46
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panosruI installed Gutsy but my printer driver don't work... i have Canon i55010:50
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ReL1Kcareful on the binary drivers for nvidia, some major buffer overflows on *nix for them10:52
ReL1Khttp://www.rapid7.com/advisories/R7-0025.jsp10:52
ReL1KThe NVIDIA Binary Graphics Driver for Linux is vulnerable to a10:52
ReL1K   buffer overflow that allows an attacker to run arbitrary code as10:52
ReL1K   root. This bug can be exploited both locally or remotely (via10:52
ReL1K   a remote X client or an X client which visits a malicious web page).10:52
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cypherdelicSEND L3 ERROR: 157 byte packet (0800:01) destined to 221.124.15.89 was not forwarded (libnet_write_raw_ipv4(): -1 bytes written (Operation not permitted)11:10
cypherdelicis ip forwarding for my kernel enabled???11:10
cypherdelichow to check?? how to enable??11:10
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variantcypherdelic: what are you trying to do?11:16
LjLerm, why would i have 2.6.22-12-386 installed rather than -generic, after upgrading?11:19
XeroLjL, for module dependencies, I'd bet a few dollars.11:20
LjLXero: uhm, would trying an "apt-get remove mykernel" tell me which those dependencies are?11:20
XeroLjL, yeah.11:21
LjL... and if there aren't any, uninstall the kernel without asking? =)11:21
XeroAHHH11:21
XeroALL MY APPS ARE CRASHING11:21
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LjLare you for real, or are you mocking me? :P11:22
XeroLjL, I'm not mocking you11:22
panosrucan i install Emerald on Gutsy?11:22
XeroI think its just the new crash log11:22
Xerologging -all- my crashes onto the screen11:22
LjLah :)11:22
LjLXero, if i remove it though, it only says it will also remove linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-12-386 (unsurprising)11:23
LjLbut i'm quite sure i didn't have that installed on feisty11:23
XeroLjL, install the -generic kernel and see what happens.11:23
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LjLwill do11:23
XeroIf you can boot it, remove the 386 one11:23
LjLbut i'd like to understand why -386 got installed too11:24
LjLmight be worth a bug report11:24
CountXXero, lol11:24
XeroCountX, penis. Is that funny too?11:24
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LjLuhm, i have generic installed *too*11:24
PiciXero: ?11:24
XeroLjL, then I don't know.11:24
CountXXero, no11:25
XeroAttempt to boot into it through the grub menu and if it works remove the 386 one, i guess.11:25
LjLi'll just boot generic and forget about it i guess - yeah11:25
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Reabyhow can't i find a font manager in gnome settings...11:31
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PiciReaby: Its in the apperance application now11:33
Reabywoot. it's the last place i could ever try even to find it11:33
Reabynonono11:34
Reabyi mean i want to install new fonts11:34
Reabynot that manager :)11:34
Reabythat one is logical place11:34
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Reabylooks like gnome doesn't have proper font manager for installing fonts11:35
ConstyXIVcan you get transparent panels with compiz?11:35
Reabygonna drop an email to gnome team, there definetly should be atleast link to fonts:// in control panel menus11:37
Reabyone can't possible find that without forums11:37
Reabybetter even could be option to install system wide and user fonts on that panel11:38
ConstyXIVReaby: appearance->fonts->detail->go to fonts folder11:38
ReabyConstyXIV: it's something no usable, i want gnome to have something like fontbook or my fonts in some sort logical place11:39
ReabyConstyXIV: that is waaaayyy least expected place for ppl who want to install font11:39
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XeroConstyXIV, yes.11:41
Webbmasterhi11:41
XeroHold the alt key and mousewheel down on your panel.11:41
XeroIt is now transparent11:41
Webbmasterhow do i set up gutsy so that it will allow me to kdesu graphical apps as other users?11:41
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wasabirtc: lost some interrupts at 2048Hz.11:42
wasabi[ 8381.429960]  printk: 249 messages suppressed.11:42
wasabiThat happens right before a bunch of programs start crashing. ;011:42
ReabyWebbmaster: http://penguinfonts.com/howto/ubuntu.php11:43
ReabyWebbmasterhttp://www.zolved.com/synapse/view_content/28019/How_to_add_an_additional_Super_User_DOSUDO_in_Ubuntu11:43
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ReabyWebbmaster: http://www.zolved.com/synapse/view_content/28019/How_to_add_an_additional_Super_User_DOSUDO_in_Ubuntu11:43
Reaby3rd time...11:43
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LjLXero: hm weird, i had to run a 'depmod' before my nvidia kernel blob would load on -generic11:45
_Jaak_Since 1 or 2 weeks the wammu package has been updated in the repo's of gutsy but.... hehe... ofcourse always a but.... it requires python-gammu version 0.21 but the repo contains python-gammu 0.20-1.11:45
XeroLjL, strange. I'm gonna go try that on a lowlatency kernel.11:45
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XeroWhat's the preemptive kernel for Gutsy? I know on Feisty it was -lowlatency.11:48
Xero!search lowlatency11:49
ubotuFound:11:49
Xero!search preemptive11:49
soothsayerrealtime?11:49
soothsayer-rt11:50
soothsayerXero: -rt11:50
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XeroThanks.11:50
XeroIs it actually faster?11:50
soothsayerI don't know. Never used it.11:51
Reabyyou could try also compiling 2.6.23-rc5 from source, it has that new scheduler11:51
Reabyand for desktop-use it's faster11:52
XeroSweet.11:52
XeroDoes it have even a 1FPS difference in Compiz?11:52
Reabydon't know about realtime thingies / audio use11:52
ReabyXero: i doubt11:52
Reabybut in multitasking it rocks11:52
kurrosXero: -rt is only going to help sync/lock sensitive applications11:52
XeroOh okay. Good.11:52
LjLwhat new scheduler?11:53
kurrosthe new scheduler in 2.6.23 is nice though for desktop interactivity11:53
XeroI do multitask a lot.11:53
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ReabyLjl: fair scheduler11:53
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Reabyyou can read a lot from slashdot11:53
Reabyand / or googling linux fair scheduler11:53
Marfihow stable is the newest version of ubuntu thus far?11:54
_Jaak_very11:54
Reabywell i use it in daily basis, and hasn't crashed a single time.11:54
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Reabyofc i shutdown for night11:54
LjLReaby: you mean CFS? isn't that a *disk* scheduler?11:54
LjLMarfi: i've had a couple of regressions compared to feisty11:55
MarfiLjL, like?11:55
XeroI'm gonna reboot and see if this kernel boots any faster (last time I tried it, it did, but the nvidia module refused to load.11:55
ReabyLjL: only what i know, is something called fair scheduler, don't know anything more, it should give better multi tasking11:55
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Reabyi read it on slashdot some time ago and compiled that new kernel11:55
LjLMarfi: keyboard-related problems that i experienced in Edgy, but went away in Feisty.  little usplash-related cosmetic things.  three of my KDE apps crashing (though one wasn't in Feisty, so it's not a regression)11:56
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_Jaak_Marfi, if you're waiting till the release you're in for a surprise! it has so many great new stuff! i couldn't wait!11:56
Marfiwhich KDE apps? the only one i really use is amarok11:56
Marfi_Jaak_, i can't wait until its out. =)11:57
Marfii haven't used it, and wanted to do an upgrade to see how it is11:57
_Jaak_3 weeks to go11:57
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Marfihow do i upgrade to gutsy?11:58
_Jaak_it's gonna be like spitting in billy gates face and saying 'you should be getting scared by now, check this release out'11:58
Marfii've been using ubuntu since dapper11:59
Marfinot too long: but for me, long enough that gates can shove a penguin up his ass. =)11:59
_Jaak_marfi, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe511:59
Reabyyou can also upgrade it from feisty..12:00
Reabyjust edit /etc/apt/sources.list all feity to gutsy12:00
Reabyand run upgrade manager12:00
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Reabybut it's maybe safer to download cd image and give fresh install12:01
gnomefreakmuch safer atm12:01
gnomefreakgrab daily cd12:01
gnomefreakReaby: manully updgrade WILL break his system12:01
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Reabygnomefreak: ok12:02
bastid_raZorjust wait till the upgrade is available next month. then dist-upgrade12:02
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gnomefreakupdate-manager if you get the one in feisty-updates (or feisty-proposed) will work but no other versions of that will work12:02
gnomefreaki just did a clean install while testing beta ISO's and they work like a charm (you get all the little things upgrading would make you miss)12:03
bastid_raZorthey'll be a how-to giving details i'm sure.12:03
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gnomefreakbastid_raZor: once released there will be12:03
gnomefreakthere is one sort of now12:03
XeroThe boot is indeed faster, but it had to fsck the first time, so that doesn't count.12:04
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ReabyXero: did you time it ?12:04
XeroReaby, yes.12:04
gnomefreakXero: only once? there is a bug that every reboot fscks12:04
Xerognomefreak, only once.12:04
gnomefreakinfo on upgrading https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta12:04
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Reabygnomefreak: you got connections to gnome dev?12:05
Xerolol hot damn firefox in 4 seconds12:05
gnomefreakyou really are best off clean install12:05
_Jaak_Marfi, i would wait to for the update12:05
bur[n] e1what's so different in a clean install?12:05
_Jaak_just wait a bit12:05
bastid_raZorgnomefreak: yeah, i'm going to wait til the release then follow the how-to12:05
gnomefreakReaby: i know some gnome devs most ubuntu devs some suse and fedora devs12:05
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Reabygnomefreak: what is best place to give a wish, so it could be also head ?12:06
Reabyheard12:06
gnomefreakbur[n] e1: upgrading diesnt give you compiz by default it doesnt give you the quick switch and desktop search on panel12:06
gnomefreakReaby: for what?12:06
_Jaak_the best thing is that the bug not showing the icon of my SD card in nautilus is fixed! haha! Love those icons!12:06
bur[n] e1Reaby: launchpad or bugzilla :)12:06
Reabydon't know12:06
soothsayerI booted into an older kernel (which I guess was incompatible with the current binary nvidia drivers). The failsafe monitor utility ran and screwed up my display. Now I can't seem to get it back. System->Administration->Screens & Graphics, can be used to fix the resolution but it doesn't persist when I logout.12:07
Reabyi just wish for easy installation of fonts by using "font book" or similar12:07
gnomefreakReaby: it depends do you want itheis new thing in ubuntu or in gnome?12:07
gnomefreakReaby: that would go to launchpad.net12:07
bur[n] e1gnomefreak: anyone ever play with creating rb plugins?12:07
Reabygnomefreak: thanks.12:07
gnomefreakbur[n] e1: i dont12:07
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bastid_raZoronly on a fresh install will you get compiz? not even after the release?12:08
bur[n] e1i've been trying to hack out a python plugin, but the api documentation is a bit lacking for my n00bie coding12:08
gnomefreakbastid_raZor: you will get it but do not have the drivers installed when you upgrade and dont have used envy or any other method12:08
bur[n] e1gnomefreak: oh yeah, you're a mozilla releaser!  Ok, know anything about building songbird?  or do you have a repo with it/12:09
gnomefreakbastid_raZor: right now clean install click on restricted-manager and enable your drivers (for most cards) and it adds to xorg.conf and enable compiz for you12:09
gnomefreakbur[n] e1: yes its FTBFS atm12:09
bastid_raZorso i should remove compiz-fusion (--purge?) prior to upgrading once released12:09
gnomefreakbur[n] e1: i have it on to do list12:09
bur[n] e1wow, ftbfs?  that's new to me, but glad to hear it's on the docket!12:10
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XeroThe rt kernel actually does help slightly with my Compiz FPS.12:10
gnomefreakbastid_raZor: you can do it any way you see best. removing packages that were not installed from official repos before upgrading will only help you12:10
XeroIt used to be about 50 all the time, now it runs around 70 when not rotating the cube.12:10
rathellol My home folder seems to be freezing whatever application I use to browse it..12:10
bastid_raZorok12:11
bur[n] e1rathel: try removing thumbs.db ?12:11
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gnomefreakbur[n] e1: right now the state its in building it the debain way fails you can grab source and build it that way without the debian dir. it should build12:11
bur[n] e1er... sorry, .thumbnails ;)12:11
bastid_raZoramaranth isn't official last i thought..12:11
gnomefreakbur[n] e1: problem atm is its huge , it ships with xulrunner source12:11
bur[n] e1gnomefreak: no worries, I know how to run songbird, but I'm hoping to spread it to the masses (aka everyone i've told to use linux)12:11
gnomefreakbastid_raZor: no if you are on feisty and compiz* its not official12:12
gnomefreakbur[n] e1: we are hoping to get it in hardy12:12
bur[n] e1right on, it'll prolly get good by then ;)12:12
bastid_raZorokay.. understood12:12
crdlbbastid_raZor, amaranth's repo is designed to safely upgrade to gutsy12:12
gnomefreakright now other things are taking the top priority slots12:12
gnomefreakcrdlb: are you sure?12:12
crdlbyes12:12
crdlbgnomefreak, that was about 90% of the reason Amaranth made that repo :)12:13
bastid_raZorwhen the official how-to comes out.. that is all i'll need :)12:13
bur[n] e1gnomefreak: totally understandable.  songbird isn't really "mature" yet anyway12:13
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Tecumsehhi there, I've recently upgraded to gutsy and I'm playing a bit with it. Network sharing should be easier now but I can't get it running12:13
gnomefreakbur[n] e1: nope not yet12:13
crdlbbecause the same cannot be said for trevinho's repo12:13
TecumsehI have added a network share and I'm trying to connect to it from a windows machine12:13
bur[n] e1Tecumseh: define "network sharing"   samba?  nfs?  something else12:13
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bur[n] e1awww, samba12:13
gnomefreaktrevinhos repo has always had broken packages and upgrading alway failed12:14
bur[n] e1Tecumseh: did you add a samba user via "smbpasswd -a username" from a terminal?12:14
gnomefreakhe doesnt take care of his repo like he should12:14
Tecumsehshared folders through smb12:14
Tecumsehnope bur[n] e1, didn't do that because in gutsy it would have been easier to do12:14
bur[n] e1Tecumseh: i'd say it's not :)12:15
bur[n] e1is that "supposed" to be different in gutsy?  I was unaware there was any work on this12:15
gnomefreakcrdlb: is he going to make it so compiz for kde is removed at upgrade?12:15
crdlbwhat do you mean?12:15
gnomefreakkubuntu gutsy will not have compiz for it12:16
crdlbevery package in his repo has a gutsy counterpart12:16
gnomefreakkubuntu is waiting for kwin in kde4 to get d-e12:16
crdlbright, but they've already installed compiz, so I guess they would keep it12:16
gnomefreakdidnt know if it was no default or no packages he didnt explain that in blog12:17
crdlb!info compiz-kde gutsy12:17
ubotucompiz-kde: OpenGL window and compositing manager - KDE window decorator. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.5.2+git20070918-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 88 kB, installed size 228 kB12:17
gnomefreakcrdlb: its there now yes but this came out during our freeze so they couldnt be removed anyway12:18
gnomefreakso i guess its keep packages turn off default?12:18
soothsayerCan anyone tell me why my resolution settings don't persist across logins?12:20
crdlbgnomefreak, it'll basically be the same as it was in feisty for kubuntu users12:20
gnomefreakah ok12:20
crdlbthey have to install it manually12:20
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Tecumsehbur[n] e1: I apparantly made a false assumption on that12:24
Tecumsehgiven the fact that overall usability has improved a lot and that folder sharing is now run through the system menu's I figured all terminal configuration work would be automated as well12:25
scipiohi. is the tribe 5 the latest version available for download or there is a beta out already?12:27
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siriusnovamaniacmusician:12:27
siriusnovaerr12:27
siriusnovamt12:27
siriusnovaman compiling gnu octave is such a pain12:27
siriusnova:/12:27
Piciscipio: T5 is the latest, Beta is supposed to be relased tomorrow if you don't mind waiting to download.12:28
scipioah thanks12:28
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Reabywish added to launchpad. hopefully it get's heard12:30
PiciYou only get three, so I hope it was used well ;)12:31
Reabyhehe12:31
siriusnovaGNU/Buntu12:31
siriusnovaright?12:31
siriusnova;)12:31
darkstarHello folks. Just installed i386 of gutsy-development: Once logged into gnome I went through major distribution upgrade (850+ pkgs) plus moved to X86_64 branch (?) now compiz-fusion does not draw windows borders, though showing desktop effects... Any clues?12:32
Reabydarkstar: try to change theme from appearance12:33
Picidarkstar: You moved to x86_64 but install the i386????12:33
Reabyit helps some times12:33
Picis/install/installed12:33
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darkstarReaby: done doesn't work12:33
Reabydamn.12:33
ffmHas the beta been released yet?12:33
riotkitt1ei wonder if my wireless will be less tempermental in the beta. or more importantly, the final.12:33
riotkitt1effm: tomorrow12:34
darkstarPici: I installed i386 on a 64b but when asked to install upgrades synaptic decided to do a distribution upgrade and moved it all to x86_64:12:34
ffmbut it is already tomorrow.12:34
Picidarkstar: upgrade or from scratch?12:35
Piciffm: it'll be out when its done.12:35
ffmriotkitt1e: day is the 27th, is it not?12:35
Tecumsehffm: depends on what part of the world you live in ;)12:35
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riotkitt1eto be completely honest, i dont know what day it is.12:35
Reabyyep, it's 27.12:36
darkstarPici: waddaya mean? I accepted to install proposed upgrades and ended up doping a distribution ugrade (850+ packages)12:36
riotkitt1eoh. lookie. its up there on my panel.12:36
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riotkitt1eand the 26th.12:36
soothsayerWhere does Preferences -> Screen Resolution save it's settings?12:36
Picidarkstar: Did you do an upgrade from feisty?12:37
darkstarIsn't there an add-on to fix my issue in the OPTIONS section of xorg.conf?12:37
Voriananyone using FireFox 3?12:37
darkstarNope, freshly installed gutsy from cd12:37
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PiciVorian: I ran it for a bit.12:39
Picidarkstar: Okay, just curious.12:39
VorianPici, ok :)12:39
PiciVorian: It was still a bit buggy.12:40
PiciAnd none of the extensions I need were compatible.12:40
darkstarPici: this is going to drive me nuts! its 00:40 and I need to get compiz-fusion working...12:40
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scizzo-darkstar: why do you _need_ to get it working?12:40
darkstarscizzo-: same as why not?12:41
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Picidarkstar: Is it working at all or just no window borders?12:42
n0ydWill canonicals commerical repository be updated for gutsy, before final release?12:42
darkstarPici: just no windows borders: Animations and cube rotations work fine12:42
scizzo-darkstar: try to start it from a terminal with compiz --replace12:43
Picidarkstar: Is the window decorations setting in ccsm on?12:43
h1st0n0yd: you may want to ask canonical12:43
darkstarPici: ccsm?12:43
n0ydheh12:43
Picidarkstar: compizconfig-settings-manager12:43
n0ydGot a 800 number? :-P12:43
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darkstarPici: just want to try adding Section "Extensions"    Option "Composite" EndSection to xorg.conf12:46
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darkstargoing to restart serever: brb12:46
sin1At this point which is more stable Tribe 5 or the most current daily-builds?12:47
Picidarkstar: If the cube and everything is working that shouldnt effect it...12:47
darkstarUhmmm . So what is it? Anyways added the section to the xorg.conf want to check this out : will be right back (hopefully) :D12:48
sin1Anyone here know if Tribe 5 is more stable than the current daily builds?12:50
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scizzo-a lot of updates since tribe 5 came12:51
bl4ckfl4m3so how much trouble/luck has people had with gusty?12:51
scizzo-it works....12:51
scizzo-:P12:52
bl4ckfl4m3lol12:52
sin1I just had some trouble with the new "screen and graphics" section activating dual monitors12:52
bl4ckfl4m3does restricted drivers cover more grpahics cards12:52
bl4ckfl4m3ahh i was going to get a second monitor and was skeptikal about that12:52
scizzo-I am using geforce 8800 GTS and xinerama with dual monitors12:52
bl4ckfl4m3skeptical*12:53
sin1as soon as I activated my second monitor both went to 680 res and I couldn't go back until I manually edited the xorg file12:53
bl4ckfl4m3ok im running an 8600GT and an 8600M on the laptop12:53
bl4ckfl4m38600Gt (desktop)12:53
sin1i have a 7800 nvidia GS12:53
bl4ckfl4m3sin1: you just added the resloutions to xorg.conf?12:54
sin1ya, I changed the monitors from 680 res to normal12:54
bl4ckfl4m3ok12:54
sin1in xorg yes12:54
bl4ckfl4m3i had to do that manually too on the laptop12:54
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bl4ckfl4m3on the desktop im running the x86 version i dunno if that made a difference but it automatically added all the resolutions12:55
h1st0There is no need for that anymore in gusty12:55
darkstarback::12:55
h1st0they have a better dual monitor and screen resolution setup12:55
bl4ckfl4m3sweet12:55
sin1ya I was so happy they finally added a practical way to control a second monitor12:56
sin1I hated always having to save to xorg to get separate X screens12:57
bl4ckfl4m3i havent messed with dual monitors in linux yet, but that sounds painful12:57
bl4ckfl4m3lol12:57
sin1lol.. ya12:57
sin1has anyone install GL desktop for compiz-fusion?12:58
bl4ckfl4m3yeah12:58
bastid_raZori have dual monitors working in feisty and yes it was pain.12:58
bl4ckfl4m3i tried it because beryl took too long on the laptop12:58
sin1do you have any trouble starting it?12:58
bl4ckfl4m3im running fiesty not gusty12:58
sin1i see12:58
bl4ckfl4m3yeah i read for hours about replacing it with metacity12:58
bl4ckfl4m3it was a mess12:58
sin1for some reason I have to start GL twice for it to actually start12:59
bl4ckfl4m3like mine starts at boot with configuring anything12:59
bl4ckfl4m3there was just some things i didnt like about it12:59
sin1or to get the control panel is what I mean12:59
bl4ckfl4m3im using metacity on the laptop and Beryl on the desktop12:59
bl4ckfl4m3its under system>preferences01:00
bl4ckfl4m3and then you can add a taskbar icon thingy01:00
bl4ckfl4m3brb guys01:00
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SpudDoggcan anyone here answer a c++ coding question for me?  i want my program to open and run a command in a new terminal window.  is that even possible?  i know this is not a c++ channel, but i need some help :/01:05
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PiciSpudDogg: have you tried in #C++?01:06
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SpudDoggPici, nope.  i didnt know it existed.  thanks01:06
PiciSpudDogg: sorry, ##c++01:06
SpudDoggPici, yea, it sent me there automatically.  thanks man01:07
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sin1which is better Tribe 5 or the most curretn daily builds?01:11
Xerocurrent daily01:12
Xero!preempt01:12
sin1cool, thanks01:12
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about preempt - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:12
Xero!preemptive kernel01:12
kingofnicdoes anyone know when openoffice 2.3 will be in the repositories? still rc1 there.01:13
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sin1is GL Desktop the only way to edit options in compiz-fusion?01:16
RAOFNo.  You want compizconfig-settings-manager01:16
sin1ok thats sounds exactly like what im after01:17
sin1thanks01:17
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