[12:35] ok i just wasted 20 minuits of my life trying to make an mockup of the gallery thing, just ending up with changing the logo and title of art.gnome.org [12:37] but I think art.gnome.org thing would suite us very well. Its a gallery with comment function, userlogin, space to write at the top of the page, we just need to change the categories and remove the voting system. === terlmann [n=terlmann@207.254.168.168] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:38] Hi terlmann [12:38] lassegul: did you see any of the art.gnome.org-redesign-stuff that some soc student was working on? [12:38] hello [12:38] andreasn: no, you have a link? [12:39] lassegul: let me ask thos [12:39] kwwii : I wanna flame you :-P [12:39] terlmann: as if you haven't already? :D [12:39] yea === melaren [n=melaren@75-92-35-101.boi.clearwire-dns.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:41] Hi melaren [12:41] First of all , that artist you picked was good at real-life imagery. The same does not go for digital art. I would have liked to see a sunset or better yet a sunrise with the morning star visible... A good landscape and a high-res camera would make such a thing breathtaking, and this guy would be good at it. [12:41] However [12:41] alll of the slashy picks you uploaded looked like a 8th graders work [12:42] terlmann: the best way to discuss artwork is to not insult people [12:42] slashy this and shashes on that and all pretty much the same thing >_< [12:43] joseph takes a lot of 'light painting' imagery [12:43] the picture that was included by default was chosen by sabdfl and others, I have little to no say in the matter [12:43] terlmann: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jciv/322205551/in/set-72157594417940191/ [12:43] people accuse me of doing this and that...they even accuse me of including my own pic [12:43] silliness really === BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@unaffiliated/bhspitmonkey] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:44] look at the pics at the top of the wiki page and then tell me which pic on the page best represents that [12:44] troys pics come really close [12:45] he is in second place, as far as recreating the pics at the top of the wiki page [12:45] Hi BHSPitMonkey [12:45] everyone loved the elephant pic (myself included) so is also in the default package [12:45] s/is/it [12:45] Well I have this to say if nothing else : the definition of quality has gone down since hoary , arguably IMHO the best ever. And we seem set apron erasing all the classical work from long ago and replacing it. as for http://www.flickr.com/photos/jciv/322205551/in/set-72157594417940191/ , it looks like something from a sketchbook, not any kind of truly inspiring art. [12:45] hi [12:46] kwwii, what page? [12:46] kwwii [12:46] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GutsyIdeas [12:46] the idea that I can somehow change what I was told by my boss to do is just silly [12:46] we will change things, the next time around [12:47] I want to dcc you a file that is what I think the work of joeseph and troy should look like, or at least aspire to the same level of detail. [12:47] give it to your boss [12:47] but for this release the point was to create something very close and similar to what is at the top of that page [12:47] terlmann: please do, although that almost never works on my network for some reason [12:48] it is called plus infinite [12:48] lassegul: the code is in gnome svn apparently [12:48] as for creating something that looks like what we had before... I say that is just silly >_< [12:48] [DCC] Download of "Plus_Infinite.jpg" from terlmann failed. Reason: Connection failure: timed operation timed out. [12:48] crap [12:48] please send me it per email [12:48] ok [12:49] andreasn: ok, but I was only using it as an example of what kind of system that would suite or needs. [12:49] terlmann: it is not my job to question what I have to do, but rather to do it [12:49] I wanna kick your boss in the rumpus and take his job away :-P [12:49] terlmann: the next release will be very different but I doubt you will like that either as the rules will be very specific [12:50] terlmann: earn a few hundred million, buy the company and perhaps you'll have a chance [12:50] lassegul: apparently the new art.gnome.org isn't ready yet, but anyway, I think it should be fairly easy to just use the art.gnome.org code and adapt it to your own needs [12:50] the big man controls this personally ? [12:50] terlmann: yepp [12:50] him and a few others [12:51] he is sabfdl or something like that ? [12:51] until a couple of months ago there was going to be no big changes in anything [12:51] lassegul: svn.gnome.org/svn/art-web/branches/art-web-3 <- the new art.gnome-stuff [12:51] I spent most of my time working on the mobile project [12:51] terlmann: exactly [12:51] as for his ideas having any merit , I refer his blushing mug to the ubuntu calender [12:52] terlmann: I intend to start the calender again on a private basis [12:52] just to piss everyone off [12:52] :p [12:52] I liked it [12:52] well I say get him in here [12:52] or try to [12:52] no chance [12:52] I would like to speak person to person .... no more wandering off into space ( pun intended ) [12:53] he knows what he wants, the fact that certain people do not like that is simply the way the world works [12:53] after all, he did make one of the most popular linux distris with his own ideas [12:54] I would rather work for someone who knows exactly what he wants and makes a few mistakes from time to time than a huge company that restricts anyone from doing anything really new and interesting again and again [12:54] that was how it felt to work for novell === PWill [n=paul@unaffiliated/pwill] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [12:55] Well I like ubuntu , but ol mark there is a bit eccentric.. and that makes for some hard fighting when it comes to the small details... [12:55] working for canonical reminds me of working for suse when it was only 50 people (the good old days) [12:55] terlmann: yes, it does but nobody ever said that it was a democracy [12:55] Suse is great... RPM's are something I would expect to see in hell though... [12:56] .deb for heaven , .rpm for hell.... .ebuild for purgatory.. lol [12:56] SuSE was great, in the meantime it is no longer what it once was [12:56] now it is simply a small part of a big company [12:56] novell sucks [12:56] I spent weeks at novell defending suse [12:56] they wanted to kill the name and logo [12:56] Hi Misosaki :) [12:57] leaving SuSE when I did was one of the best things that I did, career-wise [12:57] and I spent 7 years giving my heart and soul to suse [12:57] anyway [12:58] kwwii : I say ubuntu revise the debian policies [12:58] like packaging formats [12:58] and tools [12:58] those things are years old [12:58] the new millenia needs new things [12:58] I agree debian based packaging is the current best in the world , but I think it could use improvement [12:59] and I would like to shoot the guy who implemented installing from a live enviroment [12:59] My system hates him [12:59] live disks are just evil [01:00] I wants my install disk back... looking something like the fedora core dvd did... [01:00] hehe, that is one of the things I like the most [01:00] email sent [01:00] check it out [01:00] being able to know exactly what will work and what will not work in advance [01:01] well for a i686 machine with ide and hardware from 2002 ... my system is rather simple [01:02] I bought a gig of ram from newegg today but the purchase won't go through.. I am going to give my bank a headache tommarow for this... [01:02] terlmann: that pic has way too much contrast to put icons on top of [01:02] and it does not fit at all with the oolor scheme [01:02] color [01:03] I admit that many people would love it for their desktop [01:03] it does look pretty nifty [01:03] but that is not default install material [01:03] sorry [01:03] not to be mean or rude [01:03] I did not reccomend the picture itself [01:04] the color is not at all the point [01:04] the use of the depth in the picture to draw something... [01:04] that is important. [01:05] look at all the art we have produced so far (officially) . every release has futured a picture that serves almost as a BLUEPRINT or fingerprint of Ubuntu [01:05] simple curves do not hint of unique quality [01:07] andreasn: the art.gnome. backend code is available? [01:08] andreasn: is it homebrewed or modified? [01:08] terlmann: I promise that we will go in a totally different direction for hardy if that helps [01:08] nothlit: yeah, it's there in svn, um, don't know how it's made exactly [01:08] I still want to code my idea for a dynamic wallpaper [01:08] terlmann: also, you have to know that the plan is not to change drastically from release to release [01:09] we want to keep a general idea between LTS releases [01:09] so that one feels a natural evolution [01:09] well I wanna tell him to let me make the plan :-P .. I will make a whiz-bang release !! [01:10] this is my second release working on ubuntu so nobody can blame me for not making things perfect [01:10] i wonder if that will lead to staleness in between LTS [01:10] stale yes. unspicy no. [01:10] nothlit: some will see it that way but if we define that as part of the plan there is no way around it [01:10] I plan to argue my way into oblivion [01:10] I think it is a good idea [01:11] there is no reason to completely reinvent things every time [01:11] but the idea of completely recreating the wheel every time is silly as well [01:11] evolution is the key [01:11] not stagnation [01:11] but for that we need really good artists [01:12] well to make the wheel over so it looks the same is important... but the quality of anything degrades as time goes on. [01:12] we are only talking about a couple of releases before things change again [01:12] I am a really good artist.. well sorta.. I am a master at gimping at least [01:12] it'd be better if you were a master at inkscaping [01:13] actually inkscape is not my fave [01:13] I prefer the gimp [01:13] being able to edit artwork and being able to create new artwork are two different things [01:13] <3 inkscape [01:13] you wanna see some of my work [01:13] <3 <3 <3 [01:13] original mind you [01:13] gimping is not all about alteration [01:13] gimp is ok, if you can create something nice with it [01:13] gimp is perfectly fine for concepts, wallpapers etc [01:13] I can make art in it too [01:13] I make no limits as to the tools ones use [01:14] I prefer svgs as it is more flexible but that is not a rule [01:14] inkscape is not the end-all and be all of everything, it is a great, if slow app, but it isn't supposed to be used [01:14] the world needs more svg wizards [01:14] heck, make the perfect pic with MS paint and I will still accept it === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:15] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntulooks/+bug/145004 [01:15] Launchpad bug 145004 in ubuntulooks "Implement GtkExpander styling (Code, Screenshot)" [Undecided,New] [01:15] for gutsy! [01:15] alex-weej, uh huh [01:15] alex-weej, find a calendar [01:15] are there even any coders in here lol [01:15] BHSPitMonkey: ? [01:16] i'm sorry i don't understand what you mean, BHSPitMonkey [01:16] alex-weej, more like "for hardy" [01:17] beta freeze has passed [01:17] elephant in my eyes is one of the best pieces of artwork that has happened for ubuntu in a long time but one does have to admit that it looks quite dirty by nature and does not reflect what we are trying to create for gutsy [01:17] there's a hard code freeze now? [01:17] sabdfl@ubuntu.com ? is that where I should send a self-dampened flame ? [01:17] nothlit: Coders, eh? I can code, but whether you would want me to depends on what it is ;) [01:17] kwwii : what about lionmane ? [01:18] terlmann: does that reflect the pics at the top of the wiki page to you? (honestly?) [01:18] sorta [01:18] kwwii, "Linux for Elephants" :) [01:18] to me [01:18] yes [01:18] more so than the other one [01:18] elephant [01:18] wayy more so [01:18] looking at the forum and wiki page elephant has clearly won [01:18] you said you might include my art :-) [01:18] One thing I know is we really need a post-install script to let us rename those wallpapers. The stuck name problem is ridiculous and needs a fix, pronto! [01:18] I put it up on it's own page [01:18] terlmann: it will be included in the community package [01:18] Elephant may win, but I don't think it would do to call it "SimpleUbuntu" [01:19] dmccal1: definitely [01:19] kwii : and about the toolbars.. someone said something about polishing it up... it would be simple to implement such a hing [01:19] dmccal1: if i had known about this in advance I would have had it changed [01:19] it just came up this morning [01:19] transparency in a sense [01:19] and believe me, I screamed [01:19] Should be possible to pop it in as a bug report [01:19] the glasspanel page was good [01:19] I think the ubuntu logo on elephant needs to be closer to white [01:19] And not hard to fix [01:20] Just a script that runs for a user then disables itself [01:20] there should be no logo in the wallpaper at all [01:20] the elephant theme is good. what about branding it :-P [01:20] unless it is part of the design [01:20] well the branding like I did ? where it is burn-in ? [01:20] is that ok ? [01:21] the animal wallpapers struck me as really nice login screens [01:21] or is that going to drive the animal crazies up their trees ? [01:21] pitmonkey : we need something like the avio theme [01:21] for gdm [01:21] I preferred the lion background, myself. The elephant's brown is sort of artificial, whereas lions really are naturally brown [01:22] On the other hand, there is a better chance of that elephant skin still being attached to a living elephant, since elephants are huge [01:22] dmccal1: elephants usually are pretty brown because of the mud :) [01:22] I will get the elephant skin and make it into a gdm theme . is that ok ? [01:22] terlmann, use tab-completion and full IRC nicks when addressing somebody please [01:23] terlmann: i think damian sent the source images to troy to work on a complete theme [01:23] don't quote me on that though [01:23] I'm going to beat him to it [01:23] gimme a sec [01:23] " terlmann: i think damian sent the source images to troy to work on a complete theme" [01:23] terlmann: thats the spirit === darkmatter [n=Miranda@unaffiliated/darkmatter] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:24] darkmatter: heyas [01:24] darkmatter: any further on glory-simplex? :P [01:24] I have the source images as well if anyone wants them [01:24] send me an email [01:24] for now, I am going to bed [01:24] 1:24 am here [01:24] same here. ill see you guys tomorrow. [01:24] nothlit : been a bit busy of late, so no, nothing official yet [01:25] wait, UDS? [01:25] have you invited damian or anything? [01:25] Laters kwwii and lassegul [01:25] darkmatter: ah ok [01:25] sleep well and shot [01:25] short [01:26] :-) [01:26] long nights are the worst [01:26] darkmatter: i look forward to any progress you may make in the future :) [01:26] yeah see you Misosaki. terlmann take it easy [01:26] I have to get up at 6:30 to make sure my son goes to school [01:26] I get about 4 hours of sleep a night [01:26] I finished this year :_) [01:26] nothlit : :) [01:26] :) [01:26] so no worries on me sleeping too much [01:26] night all === dmccal1 is now known as dmccall [01:28] welp, time to play some WoW xD [01:31] Kind of off topic, but does anyone here have an opinion on those Wacom Bamboo tablets? They're a tad simplified, but very sleek and inexpensive. I'm looking forward to where they go with them :) [01:33] Bamboo tablets? Haven't seen them for sale here :( [01:33] At least not in the reg retail chains === swj [n=steven@c-71-226-69-25.hsd1.ms.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:37] so what does everyone think of the brown fluid update? [01:37] dmccall: I have two tablets, I suggest getting the biggest one possible [01:37] Hi swj [01:37] swj: I would be interested in that as well [01:37] hi [01:37] Bamboo? [01:38] not the one that was included in the beta though [01:38] I have a 9x12 intuos2, but I mostly use my tabletpc [01:38] it was messed up (not my fault) [01:38] done [01:38] I've found the supposed doubling in pressure sensitivity doesn't make a difference at all, or at least with the sampling rate [01:38] transformation complete [01:39] gdm theme done [01:39] it is lighter, but I can see a green tone through in lighter areas. 1280x1024 Samsung LCD 50 Hz [01:39] will upload it to your email at once ,and if anyone wants a dcc... [01:41] in fact a lot of green [01:42] swj: in which version? [01:43] the beta version or the one I posted this evening to the mailing list? [01:43] hey does anyone here want me to dcc them a copy of my submission for the new gdm theme? [01:43] it is the elephant on a Avio inteface [01:43] kwwii the newest update [01:44] swj: do you see green on this one? http://sinecera.de/warty-final-ubuntu.png [01:45] uploading my gz'd tar file now... [01:45] kwwii_away : get some sleep man. It will save your life someday. [01:46] http://www.mediafire.com/?12wmssldhwy [01:46] is where my file is at [01:46] 500 kilobytes [01:46] don't everyone rush and get it now [01:46] kwii a lot less but it is still there...also in that version there are added artifacts...it almost seemed that someone colored the image and as a result its not looking just right...well at least that the same look I get when I try to color an image ;) [01:46] you might strain a muscle [01:47] does anyone here package for gutsy ? [01:48] all the artwork packaging was done by me...but don't ask me for help on this [01:48] anyway, I am sleeping now [01:48] swj: I do not see any green in that pic [01:48] crap [01:48] time for me to buy another external monitor [01:48] my gdm theme is broken [01:49] terlmann: just check out another gdm theme and edit is as you need [01:49] the green exists more to the bottom right [01:49] ask dholbach or someone to help you as needed [01:49] -devel is your friend [01:49] kwii [01:50] go to sleep [01:50] brb guys [01:50] gonna go test my theme :-) [01:50] it was dark brown but in the process of making lighter...I guess is what did it...I have seen it before [01:50] swj: the point of posting that pic was to avoid problems, so if anyone else mentions that I will try and fix it === terlmann [n=terlmann@207.254.168.168] has left #ubuntu-artwork [] [01:51] yeah, sleep now [01:51] mind if I post it to the forums or have you already? [01:52] swj: please post it, I am not active on the forum - I am sure that lots of people will still complain though === terlmann [n=terlmann@207.254.168.168] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [01:52] I did it ! [01:52] thanks [01:52] it works [01:52] now just to tweek it a little [01:53] I do want to make as many people happy as possible so post it in a good way [01:53] not "kwwii is telling us that this is what he wants" or such [01:53] anyway [01:53] I am out now [01:53] for good === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-artwork === daniel-hjkl [n=danielmo@202.6.148.16] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:04] has everyone seen the original "brown" fluid [02:04] http://www.flickr.com/photos/jciv/322205551/in/set-72157594417940191/ [02:04] or I should call it blue fluid [02:05] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GutsyIdeas now contains a gdm section !! [02:05] enjoy [02:05] and this time it work [02:05] works [02:05] so get your copy right now. It is only 200kb. [02:06] as a matter of fact.. I should put a screenshot up.. [02:06] http://www.flickr.com/photos/jciv/sets/72157594417940191/ [02:07] terlmann: That there is a nice GDM theme. Icons seem a tad inconsistent with the rest of the desktop, though. (They're prettier icons, actually :b) [02:08] It may rekindle the "elephant for president" debate, however [02:08] err, default* [02:12] terlmann: your download link: Description: Ubuntu Gutsy GDM Theme [02:12] to download this file use "Internet Explorer" [02:12] ADSTechnology [02:12] Please open this link in "Internet Explorer" [02:12] not at all [02:13] <_MMA_> Just a little FYI. Updates have been made: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialHardyIncoming [02:13] i'm using opera btw [02:13] my latest link ( the one on the gutsy page) is a clean file linl [02:13] link [02:13] MMA [02:13] I had a hardy page up weeks ago :-P [02:13] but its not for studio [02:13] :_) [02:14] <_MMA_> ;) [02:14] terlmann: thats what i'm getting from http://fileho.com/download/8e4a67948335/Ubuntu-fresh.tar.gz.html , even masking as FF [02:15] masking as ie asks me to install a .exe [02:27] hmmmmm === kwwii [n=kwwii@p5495490D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/HardyIdeas is complete and fully ready. please view. [02:37] terlmann: uhh [02:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy [02:39] it was GutsyIdeas [02:39] it is HardyIdeas [02:39] nuff said [02:39] o nothit [02:39] you lose [02:39] Mine is better :-) [02:39] theres nothing to lose [02:39] terlmann: Er ... some of the WallpaperRules might have changed. [02:40] nothit [02:40] anyways, thats the one on the front page and set out in mail [02:40] <_MMA_> terlmann: How old are you? [02:40] please feel free to alter the page i made.. [02:40] and please merge them [02:40] nothlit was originally doing some of the documentation, but kwwii did advise waiting until the Tues meeting when we get the process down [02:40] MMA [02:40] 22 [02:40] To avoid hasty or cause confusion [02:41] nothit : you can see mine is more well formed , but you do have some semblence of what the rules will be... [02:41] <_MMA_> Ok. That just looked a little "preteen" there. ;) [02:41] Maybe at the Tues meeting you can suggest to kwwii and let him and everyone else know you'd like to help cover documentation [02:41] there is some hidden stuff [02:41] but i hope you are aware that people have already contributed to the linked pages [02:42] please update the emails and front page to point to whichever adress you like , but please merge them.. the one I made you can clearly see is pretty good === masta [n=ubuntu@pool-71-96-86-98.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-artwork [02:42] terlmann: Please, kwwii advised waiting until Tues or when we get the process straightened out and clear with everyone. [02:42] evening [02:42] Hi masta [02:43] can anyone update me on if anythings being done with the default wallpaper for gutsy? [02:43] Misosaki : read the page I made.. I say clearly that the rules will be specified by kwwii at a later date.. [02:43] terlmann, if you would like to do the documentation, you'd probably be most welcomed to it ... but we should get the info down and clear first. [02:44] terlmann: There's a link to the WallpaperRules ... and some of the items there might no longer apply. [02:44] masta: There are improvements underway for the default wallpaper. [02:44] yea I know [02:44] I will alter those tonight [02:45] I got some pointers [02:45] sweet. thanks Misosaki [02:45] masta: Or rather, there have been already, so if you think it could be improved, please drop by again and let kwwii know. He's away at the moment. [02:45] masta: Np. [02:46] alright, i was hoping more along the lines of it would be changing, but suggestions is a step. thanks again. [02:46] terlmann: Please do. If others see this and already start on things thinking that this is what it's going to be, then efforts will be wasted if things changed. === masta is now known as masta|afk [02:46] (As things are almost certainly bound to change) [02:47] http://myfreefilehosting.com/f/f599867d19_0.25MB [02:47] there is the gdm theme [02:47] for anyone who wants it [02:48] terlmann: Will take a look. Thanks for sharing. [02:48] nothit : I leave the alteration of the /artwork/wallpaperrules file to you. the only thing I can do to improve them at this moment is to most nearly copy the contents of your page :-P [02:50] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/ConceptArt is one to merge with hardyincoming [02:50] so you do it how you want [02:50] just don't let my time go to waste please , this stuff isn't randomly generated :-P [02:56] Yeah, working on merging some of it now [02:56] i'll see about more of it after the meeting and things have been discusses such as resolutions etc [02:57] hey nothit [02:57] you have ddc on? [02:57] i can accept files yes [02:57] do you like landscape art or digital? [02:57] as long as you're not using the passive type [02:57] sure [02:57] i don't mind looking at anybody's art [02:58] this is the best , IMHO [02:59] its not sending [02:59] would you please take this and share it around to your friends ? [03:00] or just keep it to yourself [03:01] sorry, i'm using an irssi proxy, forget to check the actual irc [03:02] i can distribute the images as appropriate if you want [03:02] if you like night-time art I have the best picture of that kind ever too, but it is pitch black in parts :-) [03:02] no I am just sharing with fellow artists [03:02]