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| CIA-18 | ubiquity: superm1 * r2162 mythbuntu-ubiquity/ubiquity/frontend/mythbuntu_ui.py: activate tv-out controls for all nvidia drivers | 09:24 |
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| CIA-18 | ubiquity: superm1 * r2163 mythbuntu-ubiquity/ (5 files in 4 dirs): allow adding/removing mythstream | 09:47 |
| superm1 | evand, in my experiments this evening, i've been getting a lot of transient issues regarding getting stuck in install_extras. Will literally work one boot and fail the next. You guys been encountering anything similar when using install_extras to install language packages lately? | 09:55 |
| superm1 | i narrowed it down to that function with a whole lot of print's around all the function calls of install.py | 09:56 |
| superm1 | the odd thing is that all the extras get installed, and /sys, /proc get umounted. just sits aimlessly otherwise | 10:04 |
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| cjwatson | evand: did you know about http://www.groklaw.net/comment.php?mode=display&sid=20070921112733615&title=There%20is%20more%20to%20Linux%20than%20Ubuntu&type=article&order=&hideanonymous=0&pid=625102#c625432 ? (Mandriva to ship migration-assistant) | 12:06 |
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| xivulon | cjwatson, is netboot a desirable add-on for wubi? | 01:35 |
| cjwatson | I can't really imagine it ... | 01:38 |
| xivulon | same as the debian one | 01:38 |
| cjwatson | the only case where that would make sense would be with a broken CD drive, and surely booting from an ISO on the hard disk covers that | 01:38 |
| cjwatson | does Debian win32-loader support netboot? | 01:38 |
| cjwatson | if so, I don't know what the rationale is | 01:38 |
| cjwatson | perhaps it can't boot from an ISO on the hard disk | 01:38 |
| xivulon | netboot is all win32 loader does | 01:38 |
| xivulon | exactly | 01:38 |
| xivulon | I strongly prefer the ISO approach since 1) you download from windows and do not expose the user to sorting out networking in a text envirnoment | 01:40 |
| xivulon | 2) you use ubiquity interface | 01:40 |
| xivulon | but... if you want to do a dedicated partition installation, using the iso you have to deal with one of the partitions being mounted | 01:41 |
| cjwatson | at some point, you should just use the normal installer :) | 01:42 |
| cjwatson | wubi doesn't have to support everything | 01:42 |
| xivulon | of course | 01:42 |
| xivulon | it does... | 01:42 |
| xivulon | we are running the normal installer | 01:42 |
| cjwatson | I mean just use the normal installer launched normally, not through wubi | 01:42 |
| xivulon | If people are familiar with ISOs and partitions, sure | 01:43 |
| cjwatson | when you start getting into more and more complicated scenarios, ultimately yes, people have to learn | 01:44 |
| xivulon | I always suggest people to do a normal installation if after using wubi they want something extra (usually more disk space or suspend) | 01:44 |
| cjwatson | the more options wubi has, the more complicated it is itself, and the harder it gets to use ... | 01:44 |
| xivulon | I agree there | 01:44 |
| cjwatson | I don't think netboot is particularly desirable for it | 01:45 |
| xivulon | I just mentioned because if you wanted netboot at a later stage we'd need to add lupin find_* and autopartition-loop to the alternate ISO | 01:46 |
| cjwatson | I understand, but we can cross that bridge if and when we come to it | 01:46 |
| xivulon | sure | 01:47 |
| cjwatson | (autopartition-loop is already on the alternate image; the lupin stuff will require changing the option name and probably significantly different code) | 01:48 |
| xivulon | cjwatson, as mentioned in the casper bug report I was thinking about a rewrite anyway | 01:48 |
| cjwatson | that wouldn't help here | 01:49 |
| cjwatson | this is one area where d-i and casper are likely to need separate code | 01:49 |
| cjwatson | the environments are too different to be able to share code at this point | 01:49 |
| xivulon | makes sense | 01:50 |
| xivulon | On a different topic, is it worth the trouble to support amd64? | 02:00 |
| evand | cjwatson: I found out through OSNews. I'm kind of surprised that they didn't try to contact me. I would've been very willing to explain things and help where possible. | 03:09 |
| evand | I can't complain though, I really wanted other distros to pick it up and this is a step in that direction. | 03:09 |
| cjwatson | I wonder if they're keeping the debconf use | 03:10 |
| cjwatson | I didn't know Mandriva supported that | 03:10 |
| evand | I image they're just using the m-a binaries (ma-search-users, ma-search-items, and ma-import) | 03:11 |
| evand | I'll investigate that tonight though as I'm curious if they modified the code at all. | 03:11 |
| evand | If they're keeping the debconf code, I hope they're following my branch closely, given the recent security issue. | 03:12 |
| evand | superm1: What function name? | 03:17 |
| superm1 | evand, under self.install_extras(), self.do_install(self.query_recorded_installed()) | 03:32 |
| superm1 | everything is getting installed, but it appears to be hanging through there | 03:32 |
| evand | Hrm, I haven't noticed any issues installing language packs. | 03:34 |
| evand | So it's not crashing, just taking a long time? | 03:34 |
| superm1 | well i left it overnight in the VM | 03:35 |
| superm1 | when i went to bed | 03:35 |
| superm1 | and its still there | 03:35 |
| superm1 | so yeah | 03:35 |
| evand | wow | 03:35 |
| superm1 | so i'm at a bit of a loss of how to debug it now | 03:35 |
| evand | Python needs a set -x. The rough equivalent in pdb is poor. | 03:36 |
| evand | superm1: I generally use a lot of print statements and --debug. | 03:38 |
| superm1 | yeah i tried --debug and got nowhere regarding that. | 03:38 |
| evand | hrm | 03:38 |
| superm1 | perhaps i'll have to keep tracing further into do_install then with the print statements | 03:39 |
| superm1 | okay well my time this morning for debugging before class is already up, i'll try to continue later on then, thx :) | 03:40 |
| evand | that's what I ended up doing when working on the lang pack issue | 03:40 |
| xivulon | superm1 python logging is more convenient for that sort of tasks | 03:40 |
| evand | no problem, let me know if you need any help and I'll try to reproduce the bug | 03:41 |
| evand | xivulon: python logging? | 03:41 |
| xivulon | the logging module in python | 03:41 |
| xivulon | far better then using print statements | 03:42 |
| cjwatson | only if you want to leave them in place afterwards, which can clutter the code a lot for random debugging stuff and make it hard to read | 03:42 |
| evand | yeah, it seems like overkill for debugging | 03:43 |
| xivulon | cjwatson, let's say that if you "forget" them it's half damage most of the time... | 03:43 |
| xivulon | evand, once you define a proper debug level, then it's as easy as using print statements | 03:44 |
| xivulon | a matter of taste I suppose | 03:44 |
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| superm1_ | evand, I narrowed it down to the command that is causing issues in do_install | 05:45 |
| superm1_ | cache.open(None) | 05:45 |
| superm1_ | around line 1418 or so | 05:45 |
| superm1_ | of install.py | 05:45 |
| evand | hrm | 05:46 |
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| superm1_ | what is that supposed to be doing exactly? | 05:46 |
| cjwatson | it reopens the cache to take account of the stuff that was just committed | 05:46 |
| superm1_ | cjwatson, can you think of any reasons that would not be getting along then? | 05:48 |
| superm1_ | perhaps related to bug 131294 | 05:48 |
| cjwatson | I'd have to look at current python-apt code | 05:48 |
| cjwatson | the temporary workaround for 131294 ought to cover this too, if it's the same thing | 05:49 |
| cjwatson | perhaps mvo can shed light on why that might hang | 05:51 |
| evand | ohh, it completely slipped my mind that mythbuntu uses its own install.py | 05:51 |
| superm1_ | evand, well but it inherits from install.py | 05:51 |
| superm1_ | and uses install.py's functions then for things like this | 05:51 |
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| superm1_ | i'll be back in about 10 min, gotta run to my next building | 05:52 |
| evand | uhhh, shouldn't mythbuntu_install.py call Install.__init__()? | 05:54 |
| cjwatson | it doesn't define its own __init__ - does it need to call the superclass constructor explicitly? | 05:54 |
| cjwatson | I thought that was implicit | 05:54 |
| evand | I'm not sure, actually. | 05:55 |
| cjwatson | "If a base class has an __init__() method, the derived class's __init__() method, if any, must explicitly call it to ensure proper initialization of the base class part of the instance; for example: "BaseClass.__init__(self, [args...] )"." | 05:55 |
| evand | I'm from a C++ background where this kind of thing is simple ;) | 05:55 |
| cjwatson | I interpret "if any" as meaning that it's OK if the derived class doesn't have an __init__ | 05:56 |
| evand | ahh | 05:56 |
| evand | ok | 05:56 |
| evand | indeed it does work that way | 05:58 |
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| evand | speaking of apt_cache, the debconf python module should really throw a meaningful exception when the database is locked. If no one beats me to that, I'll take care of it for Hardy. | 06:07 |
| superm1_ | i'm surprised it doesnt already | 06:09 |
| cjwatson | it's tricky because it's not the confmodule that errors, it's the frontend | 06:10 |
| cjwatson | so it needs to spot the frontend failing and do something useful | 06:11 |
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| superm1__ | well i narrowed it down inside python-apt. it is hanging on self._cache = apt_pkg.GetCache(progress) | 07:10 |
| cjwatson | need mvo really | 07:12 |
| superm1__ | yeah | 07:12 |
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| mathiaz | Hi. I'm trying to install an lvm system with the preseed using the ubuntu-server cd. | 10:22 |
| mathiaz | I've set the following line in the preseed : d-i partman-auto-lvm/disk string /dev/sda | 10:22 |
| mathiaz | and commented #d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sda | 10:22 |
| mathiaz | but I still end up with a system that is not lvm. | 10:23 |
| mathiaz | should I set something else in the preseed file ? | 10:25 |
| cjwatson | d-i partman-auto/method string lvm | 10:26 |
| cjwatson | partman-auto-lvm/disk doesn't exist; put that back to partman-auto/disk | 10:26 |
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| cjwatson | you might want to set "d-i partman-auto-lvm/new_vg_name string <name>" too | 10:27 |
| cjwatson | (it'll default to the hostname) | 10:27 |
| cjwatson | (I think) | 10:27 |
| mathiaz | cjwatson: ok. I'll try that. | 10:27 |
| mathiaz | cjwatson: great ! it works. Thanks. | 10:32 |
| mathiaz | Where should I file a bug for this issue ? | 10:33 |
| mathiaz | I think it's in the installer guide. | 10:33 |
| cjwatson | the current version of the installation guide I have doesn't mention partman-auto-lvm/disk | 10:34 |
| cjwatson | it says: | 10:35 |
| cjwatson | # Alternatively, you can specify a disk to partition. The device name | 10:35 |
| cjwatson | # must be given in traditional non-devfs format. | 10:35 |
| cjwatson | # For example, to use the first SCSI hard disk: | 10:35 |
| cjwatson | d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/sda | 10:35 |
| cjwatson | # In addition, you'll need to specify the method to use. | 10:35 |
| cjwatson | # The presently available methods are: "regular", "lvm" and "crypto" | 10:35 |
| cjwatson | d-i partman-auto/method string lvm | 10:35 |
| mathiaz | hum... I was looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/amd64/preseed-contents.html | 10:35 |
| evand | https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/installation-guide/i386/preseed-contents.html#preseed-partman does | 10:35 |
| evand | whoops, beat me to it | 10:35 |
| mathiaz | it also asked me another question about writing the lvm data to the disk. | 10:36 |
| cjwatson | ah, the 7.04 documentation was out of date there | 10:37 |
| cjwatson | the 7.10 documentation will be correct in this regard | 10:37 |
| mathiaz | I guess I'll be able to find the write preseed configuration line with debconf-get-selections ? | 10:37 |
| cjwatson | bugs on the installation guide go on the installation-guide package | 10:37 |
| cjwatson | # If one of the disks that are going to be automatically partitioned | 10:39 |
| cjwatson | # contains an old LVM configuration, the user will normally receive a | 10:39 |
| cjwatson | # warning. This can be preseeded away... | 10:39 |
| cjwatson | d-i partman-auto/purge_lvm_from_device boolean true | 10:39 |
| cjwatson | # And the same goes for the confirmation to write the lvm partitions. | 10:39 |
| cjwatson | d-i partman-lvm/confirm boolean true | 10:39 |
| cjwatson | that? | 10:39 |
| cjwatson | I should get mdke to publish the 7.10 docs | 10:39 |
| mathiaz | cjwatson: great - thanks. | 10:39 |
| mathiaz | cjwatson: I think they're online at http://doc.ubuntu.com | 10:42 |
| cjwatson | mathiaz: I don't see the installation guide there | 10:43 |
| cjwatson | the doc team tend to conveniently forget things they didn't write :P | 10:43 |
| mathiaz | cjwatson: agreed. And I'm not sure it's gutsy documenation. | 10:44 |
| mathiaz | cjwatson: it says feisty in different places. | 10:44 |
| xivulon | hmm I am testing wubi and am stacked at creating ext3, even using full device zeroing | 11:04 |
| xivulon | everything is frozen solid | 11:04 |
| xivulon | I had top running and that looks fine | 11:05 |
| evand | yeah, that sounds like where we got stuck | 11:08 |
| evand | if it's anything like what I was experiencing you have a very short window where you could potentially get in there and strace mkfs.ext3 | 11:08 |
| xivulon | weird | 11:12 |
| xivulon | can it be a unionfs thing? I still get weird messages when shutting down | 11:12 |
| xivulon | not that unionfs should be directly involved but... | 11:13 |
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| evand | sorry about that | 11:20 |
| evand | most program crashes are boring, compiz at least makes things interesting | 11:20 |
| evand | with pretty flashing colors to keep you entertained while you hold down the power button | 11:21 |
| evand | it could be a unionfs issue, though I'm not sure. There are apparently still isolated issues with unionfs as was reported in our team meeting this morning | 11:23 |
| evand | it could also be a ntfs-3g issue, I think, which I believe Colin suggested as a possibility | 11:24 |
| Knuta | is the 6.06.2 release still estimated for the beginning of october? | 11:27 |
| evand | mid-october, afaik | 11:28 |
| Knuta | :-| | 11:28 |
| evand | but best to ask in #ubuntu-devel | 11:28 |
| evand | as I am by no means an authority on such subjects | 11:28 |
| Knuta | okay, then I guess I'll try to hack the old initrd instead. | 11:29 |
| Knuta | 6.06.1 can't pxe boot on bnx2, and 6.06.2 will fix the issue. I was hoping I didn't have to mess with it on my own. | 11:30 |
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