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| mjg59 | BenC: Are we keeping the snd-hda-intel in lum? | 02:19 |
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| mjg59 | BenC: Also, TIFM still seems to be enabled | 02:19 |
| mjg59 | rtg: The support for the 1984 codec in the Thinkpads doesn't /seem/ to enable the speakers by default | 03:12 |
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| fabbione | jetsaredim: they will arrive, but there is no rush at all. nobody other than vmware can support the modules | 07:44 |
| fabbione | so before or after release makes no diff | 07:44 |
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| dewcrav3r | Can someone point me to the appropriate channel for technical kernel support? | 01:40 |
| soren | dewcrav3r: Depends.. What's the problem? | 01:42 |
| dewcrav3r | I'm getting a division by zero error in jiffies.h, and I can't find the solution anywhere | 01:43 |
| soren | dewcrav3r: In Ubuntu's kernel? | 01:54 |
| soren | dewcrav3r: ...or something you're working on yourself? | 01:54 |
| dewcrav3r | The one I made didn't have the file at all.... but yes, I'm referring to the Ubuntu version | 01:55 |
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| soren | dewcrav3r: If you can trigger a division by zero in the Ubuntu kernel, that's a bug. | 02:09 |
| dewcrav3r | sry, busy in another room. | 02:13 |
| dewcrav3r | whoa.... that's cool ;) | 02:13 |
| dewcrav3r | The thing is, I can Google the problem and find other who trigger it in different ways... but no solutions | 02:14 |
| soren | dewcrav3r: I think you should file a bug and describe the problem. | 02:24 |
| dewcrav3r | I will do that if I can't find a fix for it. Thanks for the help! | 02:25 |
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| rtg | > mjg59: yeah, rtg is supposed to enable orinoco_cs with just the id's not found in hostap_cs | 03:06 |
| rtg | mjg59: Actually, I was just going to remove -MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE from the source. | 03:07 |
| rtg | That way folks with older prism2 cards aren't forced to use hostap or to have to upgrade their firmware. | 03:08 |
| mjg59 | rtg: That would stop it working with genuine orinoco cards | 03:10 |
| mjg59 | Which would be a regression | 03:10 |
| mjg59 | orinoco drives two types of cards - orinoco and prism2. They're similar, but not identical. hostap only drives prism2 hardware (and prism 2.5, but still) | 03:11 |
| rtg | mjg59: shit, so what you are telling me is really do have to do the visual filter of PCI IDs. | 03:13 |
| mjg59 | They're not PCI IDs | 03:14 |
| rtg | mjg59: right, PCMCIA. | 03:14 |
| mjg59 | But yes, IDs that aren't supported by hostap should be in orinoco | 03:14 |
| mjg59 | I've fixed up hostap so that it doesn't leave network-manager completely confused, which should deal with the other issues | 03:14 |
| rtg | There is some overlap, but not easy to spot. Oh well, I'll find 'em. | 03:14 |
| BenC | rtg: you need to create a new ID table, with just the IDs that hostap_cs doesn't support, and reference that in MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE() | 03:14 |
| BenC | leave the full table so that pcmcia reg can still drive the entire list if it gets loaded manually | 03:15 |
| rtg | BenC: ok | 03:16 |
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| rtg | mjg59: what did Feisty do to avoid prism2 collisions? Both hostap_cs and orinoco_cs are built, both with MODULE_DEVICE_TABLE defined. I see a bunch of IDs that overlap. There are some /etc/modprobe.d options for hostap_cs, but no blacklist for orinoco_cs. | 03:40 |
| mjg59 | It would just load whichever came first in the tables, which is determined by inode order | 03:41 |
| mjg59 | So not something that can be depended on | 03:41 |
| rtg | I suppose that caused some problems. | 03:41 |
| mjg59 | Well, users always got a driver that supported their hardware | 03:42 |
| mjg59 | Just not necessarily the one they wanted | 03:42 |
| rtg | Yeah, but no WPA support with orinoco_cs, right? | 03:42 |
| mjg59 | Yeah | 03:44 |
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| kylem | BenC, is internal irc fucked? | 03:54 |
| BenC | kylem: it was, seems to be fine now | 03:54 |
| kylem | hmm. i can't connect. | 03:55 |
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| soren | Have any of you had a chance to look into either #127872 or #140761 ? They seem to be the same problem. The former on actual hardware, the latter in vmware. | 04:22 |
| soren | Bug #127872 and bug #140761 | 04:22 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 127872 in linux-source-2.6.22 "scsi drives not detected " [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127872 | 04:22 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 140761 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Ubuntu 7.10 Alpha Gust OS does not recognize a lun with non zero target id on Vmware ESX Server" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/140761 | 04:22 |
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| rtg | mjg59: Can you have a look at kernel.ubuntu.com:/home/rtg/ubuntu-gutsy commit cceb265a3fe948666ab5dcc413957a6f0d9f5576 to see if it solves the orinoco_cs problem? For some reason my git trees don't show up on gitweb. | 05:18 |
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| mjg59 | rtg: You seem to have removed entries from hostap_cs? | 05:20 |
| mjg59 | Oh, or are they just reformatted? | 05:20 |
| rtg | mjg59: shit, I reformatted so they were easier to read. | 05:20 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, makes it slightly harder to check the diff :) | 05:20 |
| rtg | mjg59: I'll revert that. Other then formatting? | 05:21 |
| mjg59 | I don't understand the: | 05:21 |
| mjg59 | + status = pcmcia_register_driver(&orinoco_driver); | 05:21 |
| mjg59 | + if (status >= 0) | 05:21 |
| mjg59 | + status = pcmcia_register_driver(&orinoco_overlap_driver); | 05:21 |
| mjg59 | hunk | 05:21 |
| rtg | Don't you have to register both tables? | 05:21 |
| mjg59 | Oh, I see - for binding | 05:22 |
| mjg59 | Ok | 05:22 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, looks ok | 05:22 |
| rtg | cool. I'll cleanup the formatting and push it. | 05:22 |
| mjg59 | I'm going to assume that you've moved the right chunks :) | 05:22 |
| rtg | It was tedious. I hope so too. | 05:22 |
| rtg | I think I have exactly one PCMCIA laptop. Maybe I can come up with a prism card that lives in both drivers. | 05:23 |
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| Kano | hi, why is et131x not in the ubuntu modules package? | 05:53 |
| Kano | Agere's chips are very common | 05:55 |
| Kano | http://sourceforge.net/projects/et131x/ | 05:57 |
| rtg | Kano: bug #102291 | 05:59 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 102291 in ubuntu "[needs packaging] et131x driver for Agere ET131x gigabit ethernet cards" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102291 | 05:59 |
| zul | BenC: ping | 06:00 |
| zul | rtg: if you want i could create a patch for that | 06:01 |
| rtg | zul: that would be great. Kano will thank you. | 06:01 |
| zul | rtg: ill put it on my to do list for this weekend | 06:02 |
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| bdmurray | BenC: Have you seen bug 144945? | 06:03 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 144945 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "kernel Oops in unionfs with l-u-m version 2.6.22-12.32 using Edubuntu amd64 daily 200709025" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144945 | 06:03 |
| Kano | zul: maybe create one for aufs too :) | 06:03 |
| zul | Kano: i already updated a fix for aufs last weekend | 06:04 |
| Kano | zul: really, will take a look | 06:04 |
| Kano | why dont add it in that package too? | 06:04 |
| zul | Kano: i did | 06:04 |
| Kano | in ubuntu modules i see no aufs | 06:05 |
| zul | no its the package in universe | 06:05 |
| Kano | thats a very old aufs... | 06:05 |
| zul | tough | 06:06 |
| Kano | i see your patches in the diff, will try to use it for a newer version | 06:07 |
| Kano | you dont like extra patch files | 06:07 |
| zul | i dont like changing existing sources | 06:08 |
| Kano | you dont like dpatch? | 06:09 |
| zul | there is no dpatch i was cutting down on the churn | 06:09 |
| zul | anyways lunch | 06:09 |
| Kano | will see if your patch helps me | 06:10 |
| mjg59 | Kano: Where there's no existing patch system, we don't add one. It makes syncing from Debian more difficult otherwise. | 06:10 |
| Kano | mjg59: a fully outdated module will not be synced... | 06:10 |
| mjg59 | Kano: We sync from Debian every cycle | 06:11 |
| Kano | i will try to package it correctly... | 06:11 |
| mjg59 | It helps if the packages are as similar as possible | 06:11 |
| Kano | the debian one even had missing dependenies on the current kernel | 06:12 |
| mjg59 | It's a source package | 06:12 |
| mjg59 | It's not supposed to depend on the kernel | 06:12 |
| Kano | not the source of course | 06:12 |
| mjg59 | module-assistant is supposed to handle that | 06:12 |
| Kano | in the control.modules.in | 06:13 |
| Kano | you need something like | 06:13 |
| Kano | Provides: aufs-modules | 06:13 |
| Kano | Depends: aufs-tools, linux-image-_KVERS_ | 06:13 |
| Kano | otherwise it is not deleted when you delete the kernel | 06:13 |
| mjg59 | Oh, ok | 06:14 |
| Kano | i found that in 2 packages lately and mailed the maintainers, they did not change it... | 06:14 |
| mjg59 | Have you filed a bug against Debian? | 06:14 |
| mjg59 | Mailing the maintainers will not usually result in things getting done | 06:14 |
| Kano | the et131x package has the same problems... | 06:15 |
| Kano | http://kanotix.com/files/thorhammer/updates/et131x/ | 06:15 |
| Kano | there is the same fix included | 06:16 |
| Kano | i dont ask to add extra kernel patches.. this is always ignored.. | 06:20 |
| Kano | when will be a kernel which has the latest .8 patch? | 06:21 |
| mjg59 | At a point where we're not frozen for the beta release | 06:23 |
| Kano | sure as patches that add just PCI/USB ids to correct drivers are critical... | 06:24 |
| mjg59 | ? | 06:25 |
| Kano | i added 2 out of 3 patches i currently use to your bugtracking system, i still patch em on my own... | 06:26 |
| Kano | the other one was added in the kernel bugzilla, and is still not in it seems... | 06:27 |
| Kano | only in gregkh tree | 06:27 |
| Kano | little patches seem to take ages | 06:28 |
| zul | Kano: which bug numbers I can see if I can get them in | 06:28 |
| mjg59 | Kano: We won't pull stuff from non-mainline trees unless there's a relevant bug | 06:29 |
| kylem | Kano, if you have issues with people ignoring bugs, please mail kernel-team@ to bring them to our attention | 06:29 |
| Kano | for me all users are relevant | 06:30 |
| Kano | and when 1 of those requires a tiny patch i add it | 06:30 |
| mjg59 | Kano: Without a record of a request for a patch and a full justification for why it's needed, we won't apply anything | 06:30 |
| mjg59 | We've got that from you for some bugs, and they'll be handled before release | 06:30 |
| Kano | https://bugs.launchpad.net/~master-kanotix/ | 06:32 |
| Kano | the 2 medium ones are kernel patches | 06:32 |
| Kano | will look for the other | 06:33 |
| Kano | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/gregkh/gregkh-2.6/patches/usb/usb-serial-pl2303-support-for-benq-siemens-mobile-phone-ef81.patch | 06:34 |
| Kano | This patch adds support for the BenQ Mobile Phone EF81 to pl2303 | 06:34 |
| mjg59 | Kano: Please file a bug and attach the patch | 06:35 |
| Kano | ok | 06:35 |
| mjg59 | Thanks | 06:36 |
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| Kano | do you want it as url? | 06:42 |
| Kano | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/145284 | 06:43 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 145284 in linux-source-2.6.22 "BenQ Mobile Phone EF81 id missing in pl2303 driver" [Undecided,New] | 06:43 |
| zul | thanks | 06:46 |
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| jetsaredim | is there a source package for the vmware kernel modules for gutsy? | 07:40 |
| BenC | bdmurray: Thanks, I'll take a look at it | 07:41 |
| bdmurray | BenC: Sure, let me know if you need any more information | 07:42 |
| jetsaredim | i really need to get vmware up and running on my system | 07:44 |
| jetsaredim | if the kernel team is the maintainer of the vmware-server-modules packages, why haven't they been released for gutsy yet? | 07:46 |
| Kano | jetsaredim: isnt it in the lrm package? | 07:46 |
| jetsaredim | it wasn't | 07:47 |
| jetsaredim | on feisty it was a separate packge | 07:47 |
| jetsaredim | in either case, I have lrm-2.6.22-12-generic installed and its not in there | 07:48 |
| jetsaredim | so i guess that's a no | 07:48 |
| jetsaredim | it was previously called out as its own separate package, though based on lrm | 07:49 |
| jetsaredim | which - if that's the case - it should just merely be a case of queuing a builds | 07:50 |
| jetsaredim | Kano: ? | 07:53 |
| Kano | dont know,why dont you compile the things manually | 07:54 |
| Kano | http://knihovny.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/vmware-any-any-update113.tar.gz | 07:54 |
| jetsaredim | what's that? | 07:55 |
| jetsaredim | i was building the kernel modules by hand before (or as part of the install) | 07:56 |
| jetsaredim | but then i installed the vmware-server package from the commercial repo and that uses the pre-packaged/built modules | 07:56 |
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| rtg | zul: I just rejected bug #102291 | 08:03 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 102291 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "[needs packaging] et131x driver for Agere ET131x gigabit ethernet cards" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102291 | 08:03 |
| zul | rtg: ok why? | 08:03 |
| rtg | zul: After looking at the source code kylem and I decided it needs license clarification. | 08:04 |
| zul | rtg: ok | 08:04 |
| mjg59 | rtg: Hm. What was the issue? | 08:09 |
| zul | driver is bsd isnt it? | 08:10 |
| mjg59 | All the files seem to have 3-clause BSD boilerplate | 08:10 |
| mjg59 | Except the makefile, which looks undistributable | 08:11 |
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| kylem | mjg59, indeed. | 08:11 |
| mjg59 | But, well, makefile | 08:12 |
| mjg59 | That one's not hard to deal with | 08:12 |
| kylem | heh, ok, so i didn't notice it was on the Makefile. | 08:13 |
| zul | i never really use the makefile that come with the source though | 08:13 |
| kylem | my face is slightly red. | 08:13 |
| mjg59 | Haha | 08:13 |
| mjg59 | kylem: It's ok, it's hidden under the beard | 08:13 |
| kylem | what are you staring at | 08:13 |
| kylem | STOP LOOKING AT ME | 08:13 |
| zul | so should i still add it? ;) | 08:14 |
| mjg59 | zul: If that's the only issue, I think it's fine | 08:22 |
| mjg59 | Assuming you wrote the Makefile from scratch (which, really, you should do) | 08:23 |
| zul | sure | 08:23 |
| jetsaredim | ok - so it sounds like there is some patch work needed for the vmware modules packages to work on gutsy | 08:24 |
| jetsaredim | can someone point me in the right direction to see if i can get this sorted? | 08:24 |
| BenC | jetsaredim: it's basically vmware that needs to provide you patches | 08:24 |
| jetsaredim | they are in the vmware forums | 08:25 |
| BenC | jetsaredim: and it's not specific to "gutsy", it's a matter of them not working with newer kernel versions | 08:25 |
| jetsaredim | sure | 08:25 |
| jetsaredim | i understand that | 08:25 |
| jetsaredim | i went through that with feisty before i realized there were pre-build packages with the modules in them | 08:25 |
| jetsaredim | they had issues with 2.6.20 originally | 08:25 |
| jetsaredim | the fixes were out there to be had, you just had to look around in the vmware support forums to find them | 08:26 |
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| JanC | jetsaredim: I guess filing a bug on launchpad and including a link to those patches might be useful then | 08:28 |
| jetsaredim | um ok | 08:31 |
| jetsaredim | i have to say though that there are a few bug reports out there about these packages being missing on gutsy | 08:31 |
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| JanC | well, add the link to the relevant bug then | 08:34 |
| JanC | but maybe the Ubuntu developers would rather have a promise from someone to maintain this for the next 18 months... | 08:35 |
| BenC | we aren't including the vmware packages in gutsy | 08:36 |
| BenC | the pre-built modules at least | 08:36 |
| BenC | mainly because they too easily conflict with differing versions of vmware products | 08:37 |
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| JanC | BenC: what about other similar modules (e.g. for virtualbox)? | 08:47 |
| BenC | JanC: wont happen | 08:47 |
| BenC | JanC: we've been bitten too many times with vm kernel modules causing too many problems with users | 08:48 |
| BenC | we had to yank vmware kernel modules and vbox kernel module from feisty, 2 days before release | 08:48 |
| BenC | at the request of the vendor on both counts | 08:48 |
| JanC | well, at least virtualbox provides their own packages for feisty | 08:52 |
| kylem | heh, i forgot we had to do that. | 08:53 |
| BenC | yeah, that experience kind of ruined it for pre-built vm modules :) | 08:58 |
| rtg | mjg59: Not being a license expert myself, how can you tell that its a 3 clause BSD license? Granted, what I read in et131x_main.c says the right things, but I really wanted to see GPLv2 or BSD. | 09:19 |
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| mjg59 | rtg: Compare it to /usr/share/common-licenses/BSD | 09:22 |
| mjg59 | The actual content is basically identical, except for minor formatting changes | 09:22 |
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| rtg | mjg59: I'm not wild about their EULA preamble regarding implied acceptance, but if you think its OK then I'll just go with it. | 09:31 |
| mjg59 | Yeah, that's just ineptitude | 09:34 |
| mjg59 | The license doesn't require us to keep the EULA junk | 09:34 |
| jetsaredim | BenC: re vm kernel modules - does that mean that there is going to be a source package? | 09:39 |
| BenC | jetsaredim: vbox has a -modules source package, and vmware provides source with the product | 09:40 |
| jetsaredim | i don't think that was included in the vmware-server package for feisty | 09:41 |
| jetsaredim | so i should just remove the vmware-server package and download it raw from vmware then? | 09:46 |
| jetsaredim | is this change going to be communicated to the larger user community | 09:48 |
| jetsaredim | cause the wiki still explains how to install from the packages on feisty | 09:48 |
| BenC | jetsaredim: what package is from the commercial repo, right? | 09:50 |
| jetsaredim | yes | 09:50 |
| jetsaredim | the vmware-server package that is | 09:51 |
| BenC | then the commercial support folks would provide that | 09:51 |
| BenC | we wouldn't handle it at all | 09:51 |
| jetsaredim | ie vmware | 09:51 |
| BenC | no, canonical support | 09:51 |
| jetsaredim | i wasn't looking for an updated vmware-server package | 09:51 |
| jetsaredim | just the kernel modules | 09:52 |
| jetsaredim | because technically the version that i had installed on feisty will work on my upgraded gutsy system, as long as it has the kernel modules | 09:52 |
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| BenC | canonical support works with vmware to provide those packages, and I know they are also looking into providing the modules | 10:00 |
| jetsaredim | but prolly not until after gutsy is out | 10:01 |
| rtg | mjg59: Any thoughts on bug #122025? snd-hda-intel after resume appears to be a fairly common problem. What do you think about adding remove/restore support for snd-hda-intel in the acpi-support package? | 10:07 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 122025 in dell "Audio fails on resume from Hibernate on Lanai" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122025 | 10:07 |
| jetsaredim | funny thing | 10:07 |
| jetsaredim | i just downloaded the newest version of vmware-server (1.0.4) and it builds perfectly against the current gutsy kernel | 10:07 |
| mjg59 | rtg: No, we can't unload and insert the module | 10:08 |
| mjg59 | Applications may have it open | 10:08 |
| rtg | like the mixer applet. | 10:08 |
| mjg59 | The mixer applet is guaranteed to, and there's no clean way around that | 10:09 |
| mjg59 | But other userspace applications may do as well | 10:09 |
| rtg | so what do we do about platforms where there is no other workaround? | 10:09 |
| rtg | fix the driver I suppose. | 10:10 |
| mjg59 | Yup | 10:10 |
| mjg59 | If reinitialising the hardware works, then it's a driver bug - there's something it should be doing on resume that it isn't | 10:10 |
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| bdmurray | mjg59: Did I get the uvcvideo information you needed yet? | 10:38 |
| mjg59 | Nope | 10:40 |
| bdmurray | Is http://pastebin.osuosl.org/2510 that what you are looking for? | 10:41 |
| mjg59 | bdmurray: Nope - doesn't look like the uvcvideo tracing is turned on | 10:48 |
| bdmurray | mjg59: and that was trace=255 correct? | 10:49 |
| mjg59 | I think so, yes | 10:49 |
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| bdmurray | mjg59: I'm having a hard time getting more detailed information about where the suspend process is hanging | 11:22 |
| mjg59 | bdmurray: It seems to be pretty clear where it's hanging, but we could do with more data from uvcvideo to find out why it's behaving this way | 11:24 |
| bdmurray | Whenever I try to suspend with trace=255 enabled the suspend process is much less informative | 11:26 |
| bdmurray | kernel: [ 129.290079] ieee80211_crypt: unregistered algorithm 'NULL' - is the last thing I see in my kern.log and I lose video on my system so have to reboot | 11:28 |
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