[09:55] <kraut> moin
[01:14] <ziroday> @schedule Singapore
[01:14] <ubotu> Schedule for Asia/Singapore: 27 Sep 04:00: Edubuntu | 27 Sep 20:00: Desktop Team Development | 27 Sep 23:00: Community Council meeting | 03 Oct 00:00: Kernel Team | 03 Oct 01:00: Ubuntu Artwork Team | 07 Oct 01:00: Xubuntu Developers
[01:56] <juliux> @schedule berlin
[01:56] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Berlin: 26 Sep 22:00: Edubuntu | 27 Sep 14:00: Desktop Team Development | 27 Sep 17:00: Community Council meeting | 02 Oct 18:00: Kernel Team | 02 Oct 19:00: Ubuntu Artwork Team | 06 Oct 19:00: Xubuntu Developers
[03:12] <dthacker> @now
[03:12] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: September 26 2007, 13:12:08 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 6 hours 47 minutes
[03:12] <dthacker> @schedule Chicago
[03:12] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Chicago: 26 Sep 15:00: Edubuntu | 27 Sep 07:00: Desktop Team Development | 27 Sep 10:00: Community Council meeting | 02 Oct 11:00: Kernel Team | 02 Oct 12:00: Ubuntu Artwork Team | 06 Oct 12:00: Xubuntu Developers
[04:59] <bryce_> morning
[05:00] <calc> there is a meeting here right now, correct?
[05:00] <evand> indeed
[05:00] <evand> or so says the email
[05:00] <calc> cjwatson: wake up ;)
[05:02] <cjwatson> hello, sorry I'm a bit late
[05:02] <seb128> ups, sorry I was on the wrong chan
[05:02] <ArneGoetje> hi all
[05:02] <calc> heh
[05:03] <cjwatson> (my stepson's cello lesson is just before this so travel is always rushed)
[05:03] <cjwatson> seb128: could you send your activity report?
[05:03] <seb128> cjwatson: sure, sorry I forgot it was one day earlier now
[05:03] <cjwatson> ok, I see no agenda items at the moment, so unless anyone has anything, the agenda is the beta release :)
[05:04] <cjwatson> slangasek is not here yet
[05:05] <doko> hmm, he was still awake this morning (UTC) ...
[05:05] <cjwatson> yeah, he was planning to make this AFAIK
[05:05] <cjwatson> has everyone here registered on iso.qa.stgraber.org for ISO testing work?
[05:06] <evand> yes
[05:06] <seb128> yes
[05:07] <ArneGoetje> yes
[05:07] <slangasek> (hmm, are we in here today?)
[05:07] <doko> doing ...
[05:07] <cjwatson> slangasek: yes, we alternate
[05:08] <cjwatson> 16:03 <cjwatson> ok, I see no agenda items at the moment, so unless anyone has anything, the agenda is the beta release :)
[05:08] <cjwatson> 16:05 <cjwatson> has everyone here registered on iso.qa.stgraber.org for ISO testing work?
[05:08] <slangasek> yes :)
[05:08] <cjwatson> at the moment, my understanding of the status is that we have probably-final images and are working our way through a test cycle
[05:08] <calc> i have a question about the iso tracker once it is the right time
[05:08] <bryce_> yep (I think)
[05:08] <cjwatson> there are most definitely known bugs
[05:08] <cjwatson> after we've got a plausible distance through a test cycle, we'll assess them
[05:08] <cjwatson> calc: go ahead
[05:09] <calc> ubuntu alternate amd64 lists like 14 bug icons but if you drill down you only see one bug
[05:09] <calc> any idea about what causes that?
[05:09] <cjwatson> calc: I think that's just confusing table display; the icons are actually attached to i386
[05:09] <asac> hi
[05:09] <cjwatson> if you hover over the row, the background colour changes, which helps to see
[05:10] <calc> cjwatson: oh ok
[05:11] <cjwatson> the bug colours are a touch random
[05:11] <cjwatson> (as in, submitter-determined)
[05:11] <cjwatson> so they still need to be assessed by hand
[05:11] <pitti> hi! sorry, missed cjwatson's ping for some minutes
[05:12] <cjwatson> pitti: could you give us a quick rundown of beta status, including where help is currently needed?
[05:12] <cjwatson> slangasek: you too though I expect you're still catching up on the night
[05:12] <pitti> things are looking quite well so far for ubuntu/kubuntu, and I expect that those images will be final (xubuntu, too)
[05:13] <pitti> edubuntu alternates need urgent testing, since they were rebuilt recently for high-prio fixes
[05:13] <pitti> also, we need a cooperative effort to brush up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta
[05:13] <ogra> i'm running a virtualbox install atm ... but its darn slow
[05:13] <pitti> I think I have a reasonable skeleton now, but it could use some more love
[05:14] <pitti> and I need someone with a feisty vmware/real installation to verify bug #127263
[05:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127263 in update-manager "update-manager cannot find meta-release info" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127263
[05:14] <ogra> there is this gnome feature to leave messages on a locked screensaver session ... should we add that ?
[05:14] <pitti> i. e. we need to get the feisty-proposed u-m to -updates ASAP, so that people who upgrade tomorrow have a much better chance to succeed
[05:14] <ogra> (do we list new upstream featres here ?)
[05:14] <pitti> and we do not have wiki pages for server/kubuntu/edubuntu yet
[05:15] <bryce_> pitti, is Caveats where we put stuff that no longer works (e.g. xinerama with certain drivers now using xrandr 1.2)
[05:15] <pitti> the one major issue I see on the desktop CDs so far are unionfs crashes
[05:15] <doko> pitti: the family name of your girlfriend^Wwife seems to be wrong in the screenshot ;)
[05:15] <pitti> but nothing we can do about them any more, I figure
[05:15] <pitti> doko: yep, I noticed :)
[05:15] <cjwatson> bryce_: that sounds useful, though written in user-friendly language of course
[05:15] <evand> pitti: unionfs crashes still?
[05:15] <Riddell> pitti: Kubuntu has one (it just doesn't have anything much on it yet)
[05:15] <cjwatson> pitti: please get in touch with the kernel team about that ASAP
[05:15] <evand> I thought that was fixed for good?
[05:15] <pitti> bryce_: it's usually meant to mention high-impact bugs and their workarounds, so yes
[05:15] <ogra> evand, see the isotracker
[05:15] <bryce_> also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/ReleaseNotes
[05:16] <cjwatson> this is the first time I've heard confirmation that that's still outstanding
[05:16] <ogra> evand, the bugs are linked there
[05:16] <evand> ogra: thanks
[05:16] <pitti> cjwatson: different types of crashes, it got much better with the last versions, but I heard various reports still
[05:16] <ogra> i didnt see any on edubuntu though
[05:16] <pitti> ogra: stgraber had a few
[05:16] <ogra> yeah, heard that
[05:16] <pitti> they were perfect for me, too
[05:16] <cjwatson> it's clearly a set of races so won't happen to everyone
[05:17] <cjwatson> it could easily depend on e.g. CD read speed
[05:17] <pitti> it's a level we can live with for beta, I think
[05:17] <bryce_> yeah so I'll describe it as "New dynamic screen configuration", etc.
[05:17] <cjwatson> the other major thing I want to talk about is beta bugs
[05:17] <cjwatson> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/ubuntu-7.10-beta
[05:17] <dholbach> cjwatson: asac's offline, he just called me
[05:17] <pitti> bryce_: there's already a displayconfig-gtk section, feel free to brush up the language, and maybe make the screenshot smaller if possible
[05:17] <cjwatson> there are a *lot* of them, most of which are clearly not going to be fixed now
[05:17] <dholbach> he tries to be back soon
[05:17] <cjwatson> dholbach: thanks
[05:17] <pitti> right
[05:18] <dholbach> de rien
[05:18] <pitti> this list can be pretty much considered as 'stuff we want to fix for final'
[05:18] <cjwatson> of course those now need to be targeted for rc (there's an ubuntu-7.10-rc milestone now)
[05:18] <bryce_> pitti, will do; unfortunately displayconfig-gtk only works for the old xinerama case (glatzor will be working on xrandr'ing it for hardy)
[05:18] <pitti> so far I did not see any bug which would warrant stalling the beta release
[05:18] <cjwatson> but if there is anything in that list which really is beta-critical that you know about, you need to speak up *now*
[05:19] <cjwatson> I'm sure the release team would appreciate it if you would retarget your own bugs to -rc as necessary, to save them having to go through all couple of hundred of them
[05:19] <pitti> ogra: messages on screensaver> not 'visible' enough for the wiki page, I think
[05:19] <asac_> cjwatson: is there a rc target available now in malone?
[05:19] <cjwatson> for the next few weeks, we all need to be concentrating on squashing that bug list, unless you have anything that's explicitly higher priority
[05:19] <cjwatson> asac_: yes, ubuntu-7.10-rc
[05:19] <pitti> asac_: yes
[05:19] <ogra> pitti, ok
[05:19] <cjwatson> I created it the other day
[05:20] <cjwatson> I would like to ask that all of you list the status of your release-critical bugs in your activity reports, and any bugs you've fixed recently
[05:20] <cjwatson> s/any bugs/any RC bugs/
[05:20] <slangasek> pitti seems to have covered the status pretty well; barring any OMG bugs, the main tasks remaining between now and the release are the ISO testing to make sure we find any OMG bugs that are out there, and getting the wiki documentation into shape (release notes, feisty upgrade documentation)
[05:21] <slangasek> sorry, between now and the beta release that is
[05:21] <cjwatson> this is (a) to make sure we all think about them once a week and defer anything that's not really critical :-) (b) so that we have a good e-mail summary without having to click through all the bugs
[05:21] <pitti> oh, just one thing:
[05:21] <pitti> if you want feedback from ~ubuntu-release, please make sure that this team is subscribed
[05:21] <pitti> I read those bugs with high priority, and so is slangasek, I think
[05:22] <slangasek> yes
[05:22] <pitti> I cannot poll through all of them every day to search for questions
[05:22] <cjwatson> if you need to ask the release team questions in real time, #ubuntu-release is open (though we'd like it to be mostly release coordination)
[05:23] <pitti> together, slangasek and I provide pretty much 24/7 online coverage, so you should get answers very quickly at any time
[05:23] <pitti> well, 24/5 at any rate
[05:23] <slangasek> :)
[05:23] <pitti> and some email on the weekend :)
[05:24] <cjwatson> slangasek mentioned the release notes
[05:24] <pitti> slangasek: did you get feedback from Matt and ubuntu-doc@ already?
[05:24] <cjwatson> as pitti said, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta is there
[05:24] <slangasek> pitti: no, none
[05:24] <cjwatson> but please take a look at it and fill in anything you know about
[05:24] <slangasek> but if mdz is on PDT right now, I wouldn't expect any from him yet
[05:25] <cjwatson> slangasek: apparently I was slightly out of date, and he's just got back to London
[05:25] <slangasek> ok
[05:25] <doko> how's cd space on the i386/amd64 images, would it still be possible to replace gij with icedtea at this point?
[05:25] <cjwatson> when I spoke to him a few hours ago he was planning to head into the office soon
[05:25] <cjwatson> doko: I hope that's post-beta?
[05:25] <Riddell> doko: is icedtea in the archive?
[05:25] <doko> cjwatson: post-beta, sure
[05:25] <pitti> doko: alternates: absolutely overflown, we already cut off some good flesh to make room for the ever-growing OO.o
[05:26] <doko> Riddell: no, see the URL in my emails
[05:26] <pitti> doko: desktops are pretty much full
[05:26] <Riddell> right
[05:26] <pitti> doko: what's the size impact?
[05:26] <doko> +15mb
[05:26] <cjwatson> calc: any time you can spare from bug fixing to cut down OO.o's size further would be appreciated
[05:26] <Riddell> erk
[05:26] <pitti> the one in unapproved should cut down size by some 5 MB
[05:26] <calc> cjwatson: will do my best
[05:27] <pitti> but it was too risky to let it through for beta
[05:27] <calc> i'll be getting a final oo.o into gutsy probably around friday once i get the translations from carlos
[05:27] <doko> could we do a duplicates analysis for the CD to look for some low hanging fruit?
[05:27] <pitti> but once this version hits, I need to add back ooo-base, so that the net effect is zero
[05:27] <calc> or hopefully final anyway
[05:27] <cjwatson> calc: final upstream, but you probably ought to have something to do for the next couple of weeks until release :-)
[05:28] <calc> cjwatson: true :)
[05:28] <pitti> unless we decide to permanently install only a subset of OO.o by default, of course
[05:28] <cjwatson> doko: I think that would be a good idea; would you do a quick initial pass?
[05:28] <calc> cjwatson: meaning hopefully final as in i won't find any more major bugs ;)
[05:28] <cjwatson> and we can see who needs to pick up the rest
[05:28] <calc> cjwatson: then i could work on testing other rc bugs etc
[05:28] <pitti> doko: there might be something to be cut off from changelogs
[05:28] <cjwatson> doko: (as in a quick report, not all the work of fixing it)
[05:28] <mdz> slangasek: I'm back on BST
[05:29] <pitti> what would icedtea give us feature-wise?
[05:29] <pitti> 15 MB is quite a high price to pay
[05:29] <calc> we could go to 90min cds ;)
[05:29] <slangasek> mdz: noted, cheers
[05:29] <doko> cjwatson: ok, will prepare that this week. can I trust the link count on the live CD?
[05:29] <pitti> and right now we basically don't ship any translations at all, whick sucks, too
[05:29] <doko> pitti: working OOo-Base
[05:30] <pitti> doko: (NB that alternates are more pressing)
[05:30] <cjwatson> doko: hmm, I'm not certain
[05:30] <pitti> doko: oh, doesn't it ATM?
[05:30] <cjwatson> it should be straightforward to test
[05:30] <mdz> slangasek: I have your email.  usually the most efficient way to do this is to put your draft into the wiki, where others can make minor tweaks without a round trip to you
[05:30] <doko> ohh, and working java plugin for the browser
[05:30] <calc> doko: it seems to more or less work now, but would work more reliably with icedtea, yea
[05:30] <doko> calc: even the form wizard?
[05:30] <calc> pitti: icedtea is the free version of sun java
[05:30] <calc> doko: i believe so last i looked at it
[05:32] <doko> cjwatson, pitti: for the duplicates scan: could you just run this before creating the live CD image?
[05:32] <pitti> hm, would it be possible to drop -base from the default install in a sane way, so that installing it will pull icedtea and friends from the network sources?
[05:32] <cjwatson> doko: yes, that could be done; an upload of the livecd-rootfs package would be enough to arrange that, and can be done by anyone in core-dev
[05:33] <pitti> doko: that won't help us for alternates, though, right?
[05:33] <cjwatson> pitti: the result ought to be close enough
[05:33] <cjwatson> it doesn't need to be 100% accurate
[05:33] <doko> pitti: the results should be the same
[05:33] <pitti> ah, just for identifying, not for actually merging them
[05:33] <calc> doko: yea base form wizard works for me, for whatever reason, it didn't work for me in the past (several months ago) though anyway
[05:33] <pitti> right
[05:33] <cjwatson> pitti: yes, uploads would be needed to symlink them together
[05:33] <slangasek> mdz: ok, plain text dumped into https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/BetaAnnouncement
[05:34] <cjwatson> ok, if everyone understands what the priorities are for beta and for the next few weeks, is there any other business?
[05:35] <bryce_> bugz bugz bugz :-)
[05:35] <pitti> let's rock da house
[05:35] <doko> do uploads to gutsy need approvals, or should we peer-review things before they are uploaded?
[05:36] <pitti> post-beta we are in normal FF state again
[05:36] <pitti> but of course you should be extra careful now
[05:36] <pitti> we'll have a considerate user base after beta
[05:36] <pitti> considerable, even
[05:36] <cjwatson> and possibly inconsiderate :-)
[05:37] <pitti> Inglisch is hard
[05:37] <mdz> slangasek: oop, too late, I already replied with comments
[05:37] <pitti> so, peer-reviews are a good idea when you can afford them
[05:37] <slangasek> mdz: fine :)
[05:38] <pitti> or using PPAs for testing bigger changes
[05:39] <cjwatson> ok, that's a wrap then, thanks all
[05:39] <seb128> thanks cjwatson
[05:39] <cjwatson> go forth and fix bugs
[05:39] <pitti> thanks all
[05:39] <cjwatson> pitti: thanks for stepping by
[05:40] <pitti> you're welcome
[05:40] <pitti> GO UBUNTU GO!
[05:40] <asac> thanks
[05:40] <evand> thanks
[05:40] <ogra> thanks for all the nice RM work
[05:40] <ArneGoetje> thanks
[05:41] <slangasek> thanks
[05:43] <dholbach> ROCK
[05:57] <slangasek> mdz: supposing we are the first to ship with gnash (I don't know the answer to that yet), how should that be phrased?
[05:58] <ogra> we're providing the latest leading technology of free flash support ?
[05:58] <slangasek> we could presumably say that even if we weren't first :)
[05:59] <mc44> "First!"
[05:59] <cjwatson> slangasek: for compiz, something involving the words "desktop effects" would be good in the early para
[06:00] <mdz> slangasek: maybe get ideas from canonical marketing or the marketing team for the language; the message should be that we are putting the best open source software in the hands of our users, which for the first time includes Flash functionality
[06:00] <slangasek> ok
[06:00] <mdz> slangasek: the fact that it works on amd64 is of particular interest, since Adobe's doesn't
[06:01] <slangasek> cjwatson: mdz's suggested remedy was "features a cutting-edge graphical experience based on the Compiz compositing window manager", "desktop effects" still needed?
[06:02] <cjwatson> I'm definitely not keen on that text for presentation to people who have no idea what a window manager is
[06:02] <cjwatson> "features a cutting-edge graphical experience with composited desktop effects" perhaps?
[06:02] <cjwatson> "composited" is at least jargon in other fields as well
[06:03] <cjwatson> still sets off my bullshit-o-meter something chronic :)
[06:03] <slangasek> leaving out the name "Compiz" there?
[06:03] <cjwatson> I think it's good to mention Compiz somewhere so that that project feels credited
[06:03] <mdz> agreed
[06:03] <cjwatson> but not in the first paragraph
[06:04] <slangasek> ok, it is mentioned below
[06:04] <cjwatson> the feature is "desktop effects", Compiz is the implementation of it
[10:03] <juliux> hi ogra
[10:03] <stgraber> hi
[10:04] <sbalneav> Hey!  Meeting now?
[10:06] <RichEd> hi ...
[10:06] <RichEd> let's kick off then ...
[10:06] <RichEd> ogra: technical
[10:07] <ogra> well
[10:07] <ogra> beta is tomorrow
[10:07] <ogra> the isos were in a very bad condition when beta freeze came into effect
[10:07] <ogra> due to various breakages they couldnt be tested fro quite some time either
[10:08] <ogra> so since monday i'm whilrling to get them in shape ....
[10:09] <ogra> big kudos and a hug from everyone to pitti, he helped a lot on the archive/iso building side as release manager
[10:09] <ogra> moodle was added to the CD
[10:09] <ogra> sadly its to late for proper installer integration
[10:09] <sbalneav> Yay for moodle
[10:10] <ogra> it asks way to many questions and actually breaks the install completely
[10:10] <ogra> i had to take it out of the install again
[10:10] <ogra> but we ship it on the CD and will have a wikipage with install instructions for gutsy
[10:10] <sbalneav> Hey, it's a start.
[10:10] <sbalneav> We'll nail it next time.
[10:11] <ogra> in hardy we can then work out a proper perseed file for it and have it only ask one or two questions (instead of 10)
[10:11] <RichEd> ogra: at least it is an "official app" ... gives them and us credibility
[10:11] <ogra> the CD were so oversized that all remaining edu apps had to move to addon
[10:11] <ogra> so we ship a pretty spare desktop on the server CD now
[10:11] <ogra> *sparse
[10:12] <ogra> the ltsp installer integration is aprantly completely broken ... it worked fine in my test environment but i had no chance to test it in the real installer environment until beta freeze was there
[10:13] <sbalneav> Should we basically say that it's a 2 cd server set?
[10:13] <ogra> it took me the last 36h to get all the issues sorted in a way that at least the installer finishes
[10:13] <ogra> sbalneav, thast what we say already
[10:14] <ogra> hmm, he wanted to be here
[10:14] <RichEd> ogra: 2 cds for server and apps ... 1 cd for just the server ... no ?
[10:14] <sbalneav> Well, no, it's more like "The server cd, and the addon cd"
[10:14] <ogra> laserjock wanted to suggest renaming of the addon CDs
[10:14] <sbalneav> which in my opinion might be confusing to some.
[10:14] <RichEd> if someone wanted e.g  just a moodle resource server, they'd just go with 1CD ?
[10:15] <ogra> i dont really agree with him here, since addon might need dependencies from the server CD  we shouldnt suggest people to install it anywhere else than on a edubuntu-desktop
[10:15] <ogra> so they need to be tied together very closely by naming imho
[10:16] <ogra> RichEd, yes, CD1 will have everything you need for a moodle server
[10:17] <ogra> for a plain moodle server, pick "install a commandline system" in the CD menu and run apt-get install moodle postgresql apache-mpm-prefork on that system while CD is in the tray
[10:17] <RichEd> was just a comment re sbalneav comment ... as an example that it is a 1CD server at times ... not a 2CD set for all requirements
[10:17] <ogra> (thats actually all you need)
[10:18] <ogra> 2CD is neededfor alleducational desktop stuff
[10:18] <ogra> we'll hopefully have an option for "moodle server" as well as "central auth server" in hardy
[10:19] <ogra> so CD1 wont exclusively be an ltsp or edubuntu cd anymore but have a bunch of other customized server stuff
[10:19] <ogra> (which doesnt mean we'll not have ltsp ;) but it will only be one option )
[10:21] <ogra> so all in all this iso is the worst crap i've ever released for edubuntu
[10:22] <stgraber> hmm, I'm not sure that this network problem is really edubuntu related, then the only remaining problem is the ssh known_hosts
[10:22] <ogra> i'm pretty mortified about that thing and hope i find the time to get at least the worst stuff fixed for final
[10:22] <ogra> which we just solved in #edubuntu :)
[10:25] <ogra> pitti just informed me that we likely wont have dvds either
[10:25] <ogra> due to oversizedness
[10:27] <ogra> anyway, thats my report
[10:27] <ogra> looking ad ... hardly getting better due to missing time
[10:27] <ogra> s/ad/bad/
[10:30] <sbalneav> Anything I can help with?
[10:30] <ogra> not really, mainly installer stuff
[10:30] <ogra> for testing i can always need help :)
[10:31] <sbalneav> I, of course, will help with testing once we get some images.
[10:31] <ogra> well, the current ones are "fine"
[10:32] <ogra> read them as extra bold
[10:33] <ogra> well, beyond that i'm working on a gutsy classmate image from next week on
[10:33] <ogra> now that we have a working -desktop CD i can base that on
[10:34] <ogra> -desktop isnt affected by all the above btw and looks good
[10:40] <sbalneav> cool
[10:40] <sbalneav> *bold*?
[10:40] <sbalneav> Works in irssi :)
[10:41] <ogra> *bold*
[10:41] <ogra> not here
[10:41] <ogra> anyway, sorry for being so quite but i'm discuzssing bugs in other channels
[10:46] <ogra> ok, thats all for tech for now ...
[10:46] <ogra> RichEd, anything from your side ?
[10:46] <RichEd> not very much at the moment ...
[10:47] <RichEd> getting the beta out is the main priority though ...
[10:48] <RichEd> no pips1 for community / web sites ...
[10:48] <RichEd> any other items from your side ogra ?
[10:48] <RichEd> documetation ?
[10:49] <RichEd> artwork ?
[10:49] <RichEd> documentation rather
[10:49] <ogra> documentation is done thanks to sbalneav
[10:49] <ogra> edubuntu-docs is in and has the handbook
[10:50] <ogra> due to a breakage in yelp (i was told mdke would work on it) it doesnt show up anywhere
[10:50] <ogra> you find it if you search it though
[10:57] <sbalneav> Who's putting the apple on their head? :)
[10:57] <sbalneav> hooooold stiiiiiillllll......
[10:58] <sbalneav> twang
[10:58] <ogra> doesnt matter, my day cant get worse
[10:58] <sbalneav> lol
[10:58] <RichEd> well do we have any other matters, or else let's free both of you up for some fixing & tweaking
[10:59] <sbalneav> Have a snooze
[10:59] <ogra> RichEd, you could ask jill for a widescreen pic
[10:59] <ogra> just remembered that ...
[11:00] <RichEd> will send a mail right now
[11:00] <ogra> having something i dont have to squeeze and mangle for the classmate would be fine
[11:00] <ogra> no idea what size we need though
[11:00] <ogra> 1280x800should be fine i think
[11:01] <ogra> sad, highvoltage isnt around
[11:01] <ogra> he blogged about jill and the new wallpaper :)
[11:01] <RichEd> i'll ask her ... should be an interesting exercise to change an existing one into the wider screen ratio
[11:01] <RichEd> slight design challenge ...
[11:01] <ogra> its not mandatory ... a nice to have ...
[11:01] <ogra> but would be cool to have :)
[11:02] <RichEd> i'll ask her ... she seems keen ... and it will look good for the classmate demos
[11:07] <RichEd> well let's bring out the gong ...
[11:07] <RichEd> edubuntu meeting going ONCE ?
[11:07] <ogra> twice
[11:07] <ogra> adjourned ?
[11:08] <RichEd> done ...
[11:08] <RichEd> thanks all
[11:08] <ogra> :)
[11:08] <Meshezabeel> thanks for all your hard work everyone! :)
[11:09] <RichEd> and a + each for ogra, sbalneav and stgraber
[11:09] <ogra> :)
[11:09] <ogra> Meshezabeel, thanks for attending :)
[11:09] <stgraber> :)
[11:26] <b4ckd00r_chr1s> Ex-chat