[01:24] <chuk> I'm getting an error when I try to install mythtv-themes
[01:24] <chuk> telles me it depends on frontend mythbuntu3 but mythbuntu2 is to be installed
[01:25] <chuk> btw, this is from trunk
[01:25] <laga> it's a known issue which is already fixed, AFAIK
[01:25] <laga> i guess you're using gutsy?
[01:25] <chuk> xbuntu feisty
[01:26] <laga> it should work on feisty, i fixed it for a friend of mine
[01:26] <laga> maybe you need to apt-get update
[01:26] <chuk> I just did
[01:27] <tgm4883_laptop> chuk, have you tried apt-get install mythbuntufrontend3 or whatever it is called?
[01:27] <chuk> I thikn its just called mythtv-frontend
[01:27] <laga> chuk: it ought to work if you're directly using the ppa
[01:27] <chuk> not using ppa
[01:28] <chuk> using UK mirror
[01:28] <tgm4883_laptop> chuk, have you tried apt-get install mythtv-frontend
[01:28] <chuk> yes, I did that first
[01:28] <laga> then the UK mirror is probably not synced
[01:28] <laga> although it should be
[01:28] <tgm4883_laptop> and it didn't install 3, must not be available in your mirror then
[01:29] <chuk> would appear that way
[01:29] <laga> odd
[01:29] <laga> PPAs have their downsides *sigh*
[01:29] <laga> chuk: what version number are you talking about exactly
[01:30] <chuk> hold one sec, its not on this computer
[01:32] <chuk> says it depends on 0.20.99+trunk14513-0ubuntu0~mythbuntu3
[01:32] <chuk> but 0.20.99+trunk14513-0ubuntu0~ubuntu2 is to be installed
[01:33] <laga> heh, it's fixed in ~mythbuntu4
[01:34] <laga> Daviey: you here? can you sync the UK mirror?
[02:07] <DaveMorris> his prob asleep
[02:10] <DaveMorris> anyway now I've fixed my mistake with m-d-s I''m off to bed
[02:10] <DaveMorris> night all
[02:12] <laga> night
[02:15] <jabagawee> anybody home?
[02:16] <jabagawee> hellooo
[02:16] <laga> ?
[02:16] <jabagawee> wondering about ati tv wonder 650
[02:16] <jabagawee> will it work with ol' mythbuntu?
[02:17] <tgm4883_laptop> does it work in linux?
[02:18] <jabagawee> yes
[02:18] <laga> it should work in mythbuntu then
[02:18] <jabagawee> oh
[02:18] <jabagawee> i meant: yes, i want to know if it works in linux
[02:18] <jabagawee> i have no clue if it works or not
[02:18] <laga> ah
[02:19] <laga> well, you should go to www.linuxtv.org then
[02:19] <laga> or google for "gatos"
[02:19] <jabagawee> gatos?
[02:19] <jabagawee> why?
[02:20] <jabagawee> whats that mean?
[02:20] <laga> other fan finding pictures of spanish cats, you'll also find http://gatos.sourceforge.net
[02:23] <jabagawee> hmm
[02:23] <jabagawee> not really spanish cats
[02:24] <laga> i dunno if they're spanish or not
[02:24] <laga> but i found pictures of kitten
[02:24] <laga> s
[02:28] <jabagawee> wanna help me with the pcHDTV HD-5500?
[02:28] <jabagawee> its fully linux supported
[02:28] <jabagawee> but the mythTV wiki makes it look complicated to install
[02:57] <FatDave> tgm4883?
[02:57] <FatDave> i have some news for you
[02:59] <FatDave> you here laga?
[03:03] <FatDave> superm1?
[03:06] <superm1> what's up?
[03:07] <FatDave> did you keep up with my nvidia problem yesterday?  I can't remember
[03:08] <superm1> um
[03:08] <superm1> i remember helping someone with overclocking
[03:08] <superm1> and someone wanted to do dual screens
[03:08] <superm1> but that's all that comes to mind immediately
[03:09] <FatDave> ah.  that wasn't me
[03:16] <superm1> well what was it?
[03:17] <FatDave> problem with the nvidia restricted drivers
[03:18] <FatDave> install them, reboot, failsafe graphics screen
[03:18] <FatDave> same thing with nvidia-glx-new, nvidia-glx-legacy, and nvidia-glx
[03:18] <superm1> is your card supported?
[03:19] <FatDave> GeForce4 MX
[03:19] <superm1> should be by nvidia-glx then
[03:19] <FatDave> its an onboard GPU
[03:19] <FatDave> on an nforce2 board
[03:20] <superm1> Xorg.0.log informative at all?
[03:21] <FatDave> well, yes.  I posted it on pastebin
[03:22] <FatDave> but I don't have the links anymore
[03:22] <superm1> were you something with interrupts?
[03:22] <superm1> last night?
[03:22] <FatDave> is there anyway I can find them?
[03:22] <FatDave> no
[03:22] <superm1> !logs | FatDave
[03:22] <ubotu> FatDave: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[03:26] <FatDave> hm.  i click on the link for ubuntu-mythtv and nothing shows up
[03:27] <FatDave> oh.  their all 0k
[03:27] <superm1> hm sounds like ubuntulog died then
[03:27] <FatDave> they're*
[03:31] <FatDave> hm.  it appears that they are all gone anyway
[03:31] <FatDave> i'll dig up a fresh copy of that log for you
[03:33] <FatDave> haha.  guess what
[03:33] <FatDave> i guess I am the interrupt guy.
[03:33] <superm1> haha
[03:34] <FatDave> I must have been confusing my nvidia problems with my pvr-500 second tuner no sound problem
[03:34] <FatDave> anyway
[03:34] <MythbuntuGuest42> Hi all
[03:34] <FatDave> i was playing around last night
[03:34] <FatDave> and this is what I did
[03:35] <FatDave> I regenerated my xorg.conf with nvidia-xconfig.  then ran nvidia-glx-config enable.  then ran nvidia-xconfig again.
[03:35] <MythbuntuGuest42> I have a problem with recordings. Everything records when I watch it live, but the scheduled recordings are nothing but black. No sound either.
[03:35] <superm1> FatDave, is that method even supported any more?
[03:35] <superm1> nvidia-xconfig?
[03:35] <FatDave> then I ctrl-alt-backspaced out of X
[03:35] <superm1> hi MythbuntuGuest42
[03:35] <FatDave> and it came up fine!
[03:35] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest42, multiple tuners?
[03:35] <FatDave> then I rebooted.  and it failed again
[03:36] <superm1> sounds to me like transient hardware issues then
[03:36] <FatDave> so I don't know what to think
[03:36] <superm1> if anything
[03:36] <FatDave> its like its not loading the nvidia kernel module at boot time
[03:36] <superm1> well it would say so in that Xorg.0.log
[03:36] <superm1> if that was the case
[03:36] <MythbuntuGuest42> i have only one tuner - PVR350
[03:37] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest42, external cable box by chance?
[03:37] <MythbuntuGuest42> nope
[03:38] <MythbuntuGuest42> my wife is getting pissed at me. Mised dancing with the stars tonight ;-P
[03:38] <superm1> hm
[03:38] <FatDave> is there a kernel log?
[03:39] <superm1> FatDave, dmesg
[03:39] <superm1> or /var/log/messages
[03:39] <FatDave> looks like it is loading that module from what I see in the xorg log
[03:39] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest42, well have you compared logs from live to recordings?
[03:39] <superm1> to see if there is anything funky showing up?
[03:40] <FatDave> MythbuntuGuest42: can you watch live TV while you're recording?
[03:41] <FatDave> or does it tell you that its already in use?
[03:44] <MythbuntuGuest42> I only have one tuner - can hit record and watch, or recordings start while watching and work fine.
[03:44] <MythbuntuGuest42> log sho the following -
[03:44] <MythbuntuGuest42>  MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: Error getting codec params $
[03:44] <MythbuntuGuest42> does not show with livetv
[03:45] <MythbuntuGuest42> perhaps I should look at my recording profiles
[03:48] <superm1> sounds like it
[03:52] <MythbuntuGuest42> yeah, but what am I looking for?
[03:52] <MythbuntuGuest42> All profiles have the same setup as livetv
[03:53] <superm1> sorry guys, i've gotta jet for a bit.  I'll try to be back on later, hopefully someone else in the room can take over help for a little (if anyone else is around), otherwise i'll be back on either later tonight or tomorrow morning
[04:01] <MythbuntuGuest42> thanks!
[04:01] <MythbuntuGuest42> Anyone else had this problem?
[04:02] <MythbuntuGuest42> I am thinking it may be screensaver related
[04:02] <MythbuntuGuest42> just records black
[04:02] <MythbuntuGuest42> when not watching tv
[04:04] <FatDave> you should always have your screensaver turned off on a myth machine
[04:04] <MythbuntuGuest42> I didn't turn anything on
[04:05] <MythbuntuGuest42> but I notice that the screen is black when i turn it on
[04:05] <FatDave> the screensaver is on by default.
[04:05] <FatDave> turn it off in System -> Preferences -> Screensaver
[04:05] <MythbuntuGuest42> that may be my problem
[04:06] <FatDave> i think its a little checkbox that says "Activate screensaver when inactive" or something
[04:07] <MythbuntuGuest42> Thanks!
[04:07] <FatDave> np.  i hope thats all it is
[04:07] <MythbuntuGuest42> Hopefully that will do it
[04:39] <foxxbuntu> evening superm1
[04:40] <foxxbuntu> evening tgm4883_laptop
[04:47] <vanjuggler> hello all
[04:48] <foxxbuntu> vanjuggler, hello
[04:48] <vanjuggler> I just installed the latest mythbuntu, and I'm having trouble getting the nvidia driver to work with my geforce 3 Ti 200.  The screen comes up blank after a reboot, and I see a kernel dump on an ssh console
[04:48] <vanjuggler> hello foxxbuntu
[04:50] <foxxbuntu> you most likley will have to get the restricted drivers, or just download the install from nivida due to the age of that card
[04:50] <foxxbuntu> I reccommend sticking with what is in the repos however
[04:50] <foxxbuntu> what type of install did you do?
[04:51] <foxxbuntu> (of mythbuntu)
[04:54] <dwestendorf> heyyyo
[04:56] <MythbuntuGuest35> i recently did an install of mythbuntu, anyone have any issues with firewire?
[04:56] <MythbuntuGuest35> it will prime, however, the logs show the following:
[04:58] <MythbuntuGuest35> libiec61883 warning: Established connection on channel 0.
[04:58] <MythbuntuGuest35> You may need to manually set the channel on the receiving node.
[04:58] <MythbuntuGuest35> no recording takes place
[04:59] <MythbuntuGuest35> the version of mythbuntu was the 64 bit iso from 9/21
[05:02] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest35, did you set a channel on your stb?
[05:03] <vanjuggler> foxxbuntu: I did an easy install, and didn't install any nvidia stuff until after the install
[05:03] <foxxbuntu> did you install the nvidia stuff?
[05:04] <MythbuntuGuest35> the channel would change
[05:04] <MythbuntuGuest35> but no video would be recorded
[05:06] <MythbuntuGuest35> there is a post on myth wiki instructing to compile older libraw1394, but I also saw some threads in the mythbuntu mailing lists archive asking for tests and they had no issue
[05:12] <tgm4883_laptop> MythbuntuGuest35, there are no issues with the gutsy kernel and firewire
[05:12] <tgm4883_laptop> tune the stb to a channel, then reprime
[05:13] <MythbuntuGuest35> ok, i will give it a shot, thanks.
[05:19] <vanjuggler> foxxbuntu: on the initial install I didn't install any nvidia drivers.  The myth menus were really slow upon install, so I used the restricted drivers manager to install nvidia drivers.
[05:19] <foxxbuntu> vanjuggler, did you do that before or after the reboot?
[06:15] <bendailey> Daviey: ping
[06:26] <bendailey> superm1: ping
[06:26] <superm1> hi bendailey
[06:27] <bendailey> is Daviey the only on with the current list of mirrors and bandwidth restrictions?
[06:27] <superm1> well the only one that has kept up with it afaik
[06:27] <bendailey> I have the redirect script and tables ready
[06:27] <superm1> i've not worried about it at all :)
[06:27] <bendailey> superm1: you have lots else to worry about
[06:28] <bendailey> is the site hosted by tgm4883
[06:28] <superm1> no its hosted by jumpkick
[06:28] <bendailey> or is he just taking care drupal?
[06:28] <superm1> he actually hosts it, and will need to setup the additional DB
[06:28] <bendailey> is jumpkick around often?
[06:28] <superm1> well he appears to be on irc according to /whois
[06:28] <superm1> i'll invite him to the channel
[06:29] <superm1> lets see if he's actually around
[06:30] <superm1> if he doesn't show up, what do you need done?
[06:30] <superm1> a db made?
[06:31] <bendailey> yeah but I will probably want to run the new script past Daviey first see he was the original creator
[06:32] <superm1> well can this all be done in the same db as drupal by chance?
[06:32] <superm1> it just makes an additional table i'd anticipate right?
[06:33] <MythbuntuGuest30> hello all.  got an installation issue.  screen goes black on my monitor when X starts.  Safe mode, same thing.  Set res with F4 same thing.  Any help would be much appreciated.
[06:33] <bendailey> 5 additional tables actually ... well 6 but 1 is only used to import the GeoIP stuff
[06:41] <superm1> but the db itself can be any db
[06:42] <superm1> i can probably juts get you into the drupal one if jumpkick doesn't show up
[06:43] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest30, what kind of monitor?
[06:44] <bendailey> yeah db can be anykind as long as we don't name conflicting names but I can append my tables if needed
[06:44] <superm1> that will make backup restore more straightforward if we just share the db anyhow
[06:44] <bendailey> very true
[06:47] <bendailey> superm1: how do you manage the db now? phpmyadmin?
[06:47] <superm1> well the managing that i've had to do was setting up drupal the first time via command line
[06:47] <superm1> and that was it
[06:47] <superm1> i dont know the mysql root pw
[06:50] <bendailey> do you have a username and passwd with access drupal database?
[06:50] <superm1> i should be able to grab that
[06:50] <bendailey> superm1: do you have shell?
[06:50] <superm1> let me double check
[06:50] <superm1> i have shell yes
[06:50] <bendailey> ok
[06:54] <superm1> bendailey, yeah i've got the u/p for the drupal user
[06:59] <bendailey> superm1: do you want to setup the tables?
[06:59] <superm1> sure bendailey just tell me what i've gotta do
[07:00] <superm1> how are we going to obfuscate the password and username for mysql in this script?
[07:00] <bendailey> bendailey: how does drupal hide them?
[07:01] <superm1> i'm not sure, i was trying to figure that out myself
[07:01] <superm1> i couldnt find it referenced anywhere in drupal
[07:01] <superm1> i had to look back at my old logs from jumpkick to find out what it was
[07:01] <bendailey> superm1: if you grep -r "username" * in the root of the web directory any hits?
[07:02] <superm1> well the username is already used for other stuff, so yea a ton
[07:03] <superm1> oh wait nvm
[07:03] <superm1> i did find it
[07:03] <superm1> in clear text
[07:03] <superm1> so its not really obfuscated then
[07:04] <bendailey> right as long as apache is serving up the pages as php content there should be any easy way to get the u/p in plain text
[07:04] <superm1> *shouldn't* :)
[07:04] <bendailey> exactly :)
[07:04] <superm1> well if you want to make your first few commands in the script to check for these tables
[07:04] <superm1> and if they dont exist
[07:04] <superm1> make them
[07:04] <superm1> that will work fine too
[07:05] <bendailey> but if someone wanted to grab them they would get them from the know location in drupal (security by obscurity?)
[07:05] <bendailey> yeah the mysql script checks for table existence
[07:05] <superm1> okay
[07:05] <superm1> well how about this
[07:06] <superm1> you include the drupal file that has things in clear text
[07:06] <superm1> and just use that information
[07:06] <bendailey> I will pm you the url to get the mysql script
[07:07] <bendailey> what is the file in drupal with the info? I will look at my drupal instal and see if we will have variable conflicts
[07:07] <superm1> well its defined like this in the file: $db_url = 'mysql://user:pass@localhost/mythbuntu';
[07:07] <superm1> (db is mythbuntu)
[07:25] <superm1> frink_, it appears that i'm having trouble installing things on your box?
[07:25] <superm1> i was going to setup apache tonight
[07:26] <superm1> but everytime i try to grab sudo it just returns me to the terminal as what
[07:26] <superm1> i had
[07:50] <superm1> keescook, you got a few (and still up)?
[08:17] <bendailey> by the way I have been trying to download the alpha4 i386 iso via torrent for over 2 days there are no peers/seeds
[08:20] <superm1> no peers or seeds?
[08:21] <superm1> i wonder if the tracker stopped working?
[08:22] <bendailey> yep no peers & no seeds
[08:24] <superm1> i dont recall how to get to the tracker
[08:24] <superm1> from drupal
[08:25] <superm1> hm
[08:26] <superm1> well we can try to sort that out tomorrow
[08:26] <superm1> its almost 2:30 by you anyhow, shouldn't you be getting to bed soon? :)
[08:27] <bendailey> my son is very ill and I am not feeling the best :( so between cleanups I am here
[08:27] <bendailey> I have already emailed of sick tomorrow
[08:28] <superm1> ah i see
[08:28] <bendailey> superm1: Administer->Site Configuration->BitTorrent Tracker Settings
[08:28] <superm1> well i'm going to sort out my last item tonight and then hit the sack myself
[08:28] <superm1> discuss further tomorrow :)
[08:30] <bendailey> ok I looked at bittorrent settings and web seeding is disable :(
[08:30] <bendailey> superm1: thanks and good night
[11:40] <laga> re
[12:30] <DaveMorris> hmm, it still auto logs you out when you exit mythtv, how are you suppose to run the mythtv-control-center
[12:56] <laga> DaveMorris: log out, go to gdm, choose a different session, log in
[12:57] <DaveMorris> thanks
[01:09] <Daviey> DaveMorris: How is the documentation going?
[01:09] <Daviey> What are we doing about publishing it?
[01:12] <DaveMorris> I was working on that xfce4 stuff and for got about it :(
[01:12] <DaveMorris> http://greenacre.no-ip.com/dave/mythbuntu/complete-manual.pdf and http://greenacre.no-ip.com/dave/mythbuntu/
[01:12] <DaveMorris> is the current stages
[01:12] <Daviey> wow 3.1 meg
[01:13] <DaveMorris> alot of the screen shots need redoing
[01:13] <Daviey> Is this in bzr aswell?
[01:13] <DaveMorris> yeah
[01:13] <DaveMorris> might not be as upto date as that one,
[01:15] <DaveMorris> bzr is update
[01:17] <DaveMorris> any comments on it daviey?
[01:22] <Daviey> DaveMorris: aint looked yet :)
[01:23] <Daviey> heh 3 pages of licenece :)
[01:24] <Daviey> You have been a busy bee!
[01:24] <DaveMorris> it just takes a long time to do it all, and to make sure it's correct
[01:25] <DaveMorris> I need to do my master's coursework now though as I'm running out of time for that
[01:28] <Daviey> naa.. drop out of your masters
[01:34] <directhex|work> i work at oxford. a masters is a bad thing, because it makes you eligible to teach students
[01:36] <DaveMorris> lol
[01:37] <directhex|work> they hand out honorary masters left right & center whenever they're short of teaching staff
[01:37] <DaveMorris> lol
[01:40] <DaveMorris> my net connection was slow at work yesterday, was down to 200KB/s coz the students where all back
[01:40] <directhex|work> beat them with spoons
[01:41] <DaveMorris> nah, I just need to get facebook blocked ;)
[01:42] <directhex|work> block facebook, then beat them with spoons?
[01:44] <DaveMorris> prehaps I should just run the 300 machines in the CS through a 10meg hub before it joins my network?
[01:44] <DaveMorris> CS = computer suite
[02:19] <frink_> ho hum
[02:19] <Samson-> agreed
[02:19] <frink_> 10Mb/s hub.. yars.
[02:19] <frink_> plenty isnt it
[02:20] <Samson-> DaveMorris: you could throttle connections to the IP blocks registered to facebook/myspace
[02:21] <frink_> or pass facebook/myspace through upside-down-ternet
[02:21] <Samson-> is that like an upside down pineapple cake?
[02:21] <frink_> http://www.ex-parrot.com/~pete/upside-down-ternet.html
[02:22] <Samson-> ahh yeah, i remember reading that
[02:23] <Samson-> i have a feeling that if ~300 users were surfing facebook/myspace the squid-mogrify box would catch fire
[02:24] <frink_> cpu++
[02:24] <frink_> sep squid/morg/webserver boxes
[02:24] <frink_> then multiple boxes and load balancers
[02:24] <frink_> you can scale this stuff up innit
[02:24] <frink_> :)
[02:25] <Samson-> to infinity and beyond
[02:26] <Daviey> Samson-: Star Trek / Star Wars references are band in this channel i'm afriad..
[02:26] <Daviey> Consider that your first warning :D
[02:27] <Samson-> toy story
[02:27] <frink_> That was a Buzz Lightyear ref from toy story
[02:27] <Daviey> Ah yes.. that's acceptable i think ;)
[02:27] <frink_> So Red Alert, Shields Up, Phasers Ready ;-)
[02:28] <Samson-> hah
[02:44] <bendailey> Daviey: ping
[02:45] <Daviey> bendailey: pong
[02:45] <bendailey> Daviey: ygm?
[02:46] <Daviey> yup
[02:46] <bendailey> what do you think?
[02:47] <Daviey> I haven't had a chance to actually implement it.. but it's a total redesign eh?
[02:47] <Daviey> good work
[02:47] <Daviey> How long does it keep the mysql socket?
[02:48] <bendailey> each request I forgot to put the close at the bottom but it should disappear then
[02:49] <Daviey> heh
[02:49] <bendailey> unless persistent connections are set in php.ini then I believe the connection can stay open between request but I need to confirm
[02:50] <frink_> I am very annoyed, I fixed an ongoing problem (6 months +) that nobody here could fix by moving a dodgy switch port to another switch.
[02:50] <Daviey> bendailey: that's one huge sql file!
[02:50] <Samson-> 3
[02:50] <frink_> This problem has prevented me from  enjoying a satisfactory Myth streaming experience in the office.
[02:50] <bendailey> yeah the reason it so big is all the geoIP stuff is in there
[02:51] <Daviey> bendailey: Did you see how i handled the geoIP stuff?
[02:51] <bendailey> frink_: flaky hardware issues cause headaches and large holes in walls
[02:52] <Daviey> bendailey: GeoIP can expand the 2 letter country code to the full name itself :O
[02:52] <bendailey> Daviey: yeah I saw how you did it
[02:52] <bendailey> I don't every use country name
[02:53] <Daviey> ok
[02:53] <frink_> -rw-rw----  1 mysql mysql 1.8G 2006-04-19 19:56 m_postcode.MYD
[02:53] <frink_> -rw-rw----  1 mysql mysql 716M 2006-04-19 21:46 m_postcode.MYI
[02:53] <frink_> I have a 1.8Gb table
[02:53] <Daviey> frink_: UK postcode database?
[02:54] <bendailey> by putting the GeoIP stuff in mysql I now have small foreign key int for joins as oppose to using string indexes
[02:55] <frink_> Daviey: yup
[02:55] <Daviey> bendailey: good idea
[02:55] <Daviey> frink_: is that free or purchased?
[02:55] <frink_> Daviey: purchased
[02:55] <frink_> Daviey: at _GREAT_ expense!
[02:56] <frink_> which considering it is really public information..
[02:56] <frink_> it has postcodes, streets in the postcode and lat-long boundries of the postcode.
[02:56] <bendailey> frink_: that is interesting does it do zip to city mapping?
[02:56] <bendailey> frink_: much more info then the zip tables I have used in the US
[02:57] <bendailey> Daviey: can we put together a list of mirrors and monthly bandwidth allocations?
[02:58] <laga> i wish i had geoip.
[02:59] <bendailey> we should make 2 entries into the db for canonical one with no country code and one with UK country
[02:59] <bendailey> laga: we are just using GeoIPLIte
[03:00] <frink_> ben	bendddaad
[03:01] <bendailey> frink_: yes?
[03:14] <Daviey> laga: Yeah basic GeoIP is free for non-commerical use
[03:15] <Daviey> bendailey: I'm toying with the idea, of the php script 'pinging' the server, seeing if the file is there - if not use an alternate
[03:16] <bendailey> Daviey: that isn't a bad idea how are you thinking about doing it?
[03:16] <bendailey> Daviey: cache the results for a period of time?
[03:23] <frink_> sorry - broken network!
[03:24] <frink_> bendailey: Yes it does zip-city mapping, zip to lat/long and more importantly..
[03:24] <laga> i thought you were the guy weith the gigabit pipe? :>
[03:24] <laga> s/weith/with/
[03:24] <frink_> it maps sig strength of our network to postcodes
[03:24] <frink_> laga: Yeah, but the office has 100Mb/s over microwave and it looks like a switch just died.. heh
[03:24] <frink_> and it relies on Spanning Tree to fix it :(
[03:27] <frink_> laga: But I can download the latest ubuntu iso at 130Mb/s :)
[03:27] <frink_> and that was slow heh
[03:33] <superm1> frink_, you got my message about how sudo doesnt work right?
[03:34] <frink_> superm1: no
[03:34] <frink_> superm1: email?
[03:34] <frink_> superm1: what happens?
[03:34] <superm1> frink_, i'm just returned to the same prompt
[03:35] <superm1> it appears that i'm not in any groups either
[03:35] <superm1> on that box
[03:35] <frink_> ok try now
[03:36] <frink_> I added you to the groups in /etc/group
[03:39] <superm1> ah good
[03:39] <superm1> works now
[03:39] <frink_> :)
[03:40] <superm1> however my time for this morning to play with this is up already, so i'll have to continue later :)
[03:42] <laga> morning superm1
[03:42] <bendailey> superm1: who should I talk to about bittorrent?
[03:42] <superm1> hi guys, sorry i'm gonna be running out for class.  bendailey talk to tgm4883 since he has setup a majority of the bit torrent related stuff
[03:43] <superm1> laga, we're in much better shape now with regarding the disk, only 2-3 more issues to track down
[03:43] <superm1> but the new builds should be fully xfceicized (before install)
[03:43] <laga> good
[03:43] <laga> i#ll try a test build later
[03:45] <superm1> make sure to update your local mythbuntu-livedisk branch first
[03:45] <superm1> okay cu guys later
[03:45] <laga> k
[03:45] <laga> cu
[03:56] <frink_> suttyl
[03:56] <frink_> ttyl
[04:11] <bendailey> tgm4883: is there a reason we don't have web seeding turned on for the tracker?
[04:24] <DaveMorris> do we need it?  I saw around 500 seeds when I opened mine earlier
[04:24] <tgm4883> bendailey, superm1, didn't turn it on. But I think the reasoning was that A) we have enough seeds, and B) we didn't want to put unnecessary load on the server by having people download from it
[04:25] <directhex|work> hm, adobe.com is horribly insecure
[04:25] <tgm4883> thats why we don't have the ISO on the webserver
[04:34] <laga> directhex|work: yes. quite funny
[04:35] <directhex|work> laga, yeah, but... http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=../../../../../../../../..//usr/local/apache/conf/ssl.key/www.adobe.com.key%00
[04:35] <directhex|work> laga, as far as things which shouldn't get out go, i think an ssl private key is high on the list
[04:35] <frink_> lol
[04:35] <frink_> i cannot believe how far that has traveled now
[04:36] <frink_> I think most of the Internet has Adobe's SSL key now.
[04:36] <frink_> and /etc/passwd
[04:36] <frink_> etc
[04:36] <frink_> And people have like cracked all the passwords
[04:36] <frink_> and downloaded all the source to their website - there are some torrents of it all around.
[04:36] <frink_> much LOL
[04:36] <laga> directhex|work: i saw that. heh
[04:36] <directhex|work> silly adobe! silly!
[04:38] <laga> :>
[04:38] <frink_> Does it still work?
[04:39] <laga> yup
[04:39] <frink_> oh dear
[04:39] <laga> click on it yourself :)
[04:39] <frink_> ahem..
[04:39] <frink_> it would appear that somebody hacked into my desktop, installed tor and already downloaded most of the content of their server already.
[04:40] <frink_> I found it last night in a hidden directory
[04:40] <laga> silly haxx0rs
[04:40] <frink_> gn0rty
[04:41] <laga> i need to set up tor again on this box
[04:41] <Daviey> directhex|work: that is the second IRC channel i have seen that URL
[04:42] <laga> second here, too
[04:42] <frink_> Oh what was your first?
[04:42] <laga> #mythtv-de
[04:43] <frink_> thats very funny
[04:43] <frink_> like the whole Internet knows about it
[04:43] <laga> heh
[04:43] <frink_> I expect Adobe will fix it in the next release of their reader
[04:43] <laga> dont see it on digg frontpage though
[04:44] <Daviey> frink_: an unrelated mythtv channel on another network
[04:44] <Daviey> network blizted #bitfolk
[05:01] <superm1_> alright folks, fyi our forums are now live: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=301
[05:02] <laga> cool
[05:03] <superm1_> can someone update the support page for this?
[05:03] <laga> *circkets*
[05:04] <laga> might do it later unless someone beats me to it. it's perl time again
[05:04] <superm1_> well actually it might make more sense to hold off updating until the beta announce anyhow
[05:04] <superm1_> but if people find it and start using it before hand
[05:04] <superm1_> no biggie
[05:04] <laga> in the end it doesnt really matter i suppose
[05:13] <superm1_> okay i'm gonna fire off a mail to the list regarding this xfce move since i've got a few more things to take care of
[05:13] <superm1_> laga, will you have the rest of the control centre mythweb items fixed up by tomorrow or so?
[05:15] <laga> by whose tomorrow?
[05:16] <superm1_> oh good point
[05:16] <superm1_> mine?
[05:16] <laga> yes, that gives me another 24 hours. i'll do my best
[05:16] <superm1_> depending on how this xfce move is going to be handled, some other big changes will be needed in the control centre
[05:17] <laga> oh
[05:17] <laga> well, your control centre hacking shouldn't be affected by mine
[05:18] <laga> would be cool if we could at least get the strings done ASAP so we can upload to/merge with rosetta
[05:18] <superm1_> well yours breaks mine right now unless i roll back your revision :)
[05:18] <superm1_> that's a good point
[05:18] <laga> what'
[05:18] <superm1_> man there aren't enough hours in a day i swear
[05:18] <laga> s breaking? the help back packages
[05:18] <laga> yes
[05:18] <superm1_> i can't apply anything right now with the mythweb issue
[05:18] <laga> haven't touched the playstation 2 in days :/
[05:19] <laga> because it tries to configure it and it's not installed?
[05:19] <superm1_> i think that's what was happening
[05:20] <laga> k
[05:20] <laga> easy fix
[05:20] <laga> xmltv makes me _want_ to go back to the control centre
[05:20] <laga> control centre has become messy, but at least it's not braindead
[05:20] <superm1_> ubiquity's current problem does too for me
[05:21] <superm1_> yeah the control centre has become really messy.  consequences of rapid coding
[05:21] <laga> consequences of giving my write access to the bzr repo
[05:22] <superm1_> well it was messy before you touched it
[05:22] <superm1_> that whole config framework i had in place so that you could save configs later and replicate them
[05:22] <superm1_> on additional machines
[05:22] <superm1_> but it just got out of hand
[05:30] <superm1_> oh neat, the 'vmware' video module is shipped in gutsy
[05:30] <superm1_> that's why the resolution is incredibly huge
[05:30] <superm1_> i wonder if there is a vmware tools package too?
[05:32] <frink_> cool
[05:32] <frink_> I have not made my card output HDTV resoltuion yet without my TV saying "out of range"
[05:32] <frink_> which is annoying
[05:33] <superm1_> frink_, dvi/hdmi,component,vga?
[05:34] <frink_> vga
[05:34] <superm1_> is it giving you EDID info?
[05:36] <directhex|work> superm1, the vmware driver's been shipped for years
[05:37] <frink_> oh read-edid is broken..it is in the Xorg log isnt it?
[05:39] <superm1_> directhex|work, well this is the first time i've seen it actually doing something for me then :)
[05:39] <superm1_> i normally use virtualbox except on this laptop that i installed vmware-server ages ago
[05:40] <directhex|work> i find virtualbox's netowkring capabilities to be... hrm...
[05:41] <directhex|work> "utter shit" is the phrase i think
[05:41] <Daviey> superm1_: virtual box non-free or from src/.
[05:41] <superm1_> directhex|work, completely agree there
[05:41] <superm1_> Daviey, non-free and OSE i've tried
[05:42] <superm1_> it really would be nice though if vmware-tools was available in multiverse
[05:42] <superm1_> rather than having to go through the annoying manual process of setting things up
[05:43] <Daviey> vmware-tools = the drivers etc, for use within the VM?
[05:44] <superm1_> yeah
[05:45] <Daviey> yeah.. i had to extract them from an ISO - last time i needed them
[05:47] <frink_> What does 0% [Waiting for headers]  mean?
[05:49] <laga> bah, internet went out
[05:52] <superm1_> laga, why'd you break the intarweb?
[05:54] <laga> i think the vmware video driver was in debian woody, too ;)
[06:00] <frink_> has
[06:00] <frink_> mirror.cs.umn.edu/ubuntu/
[06:00] <frink_> died?
[06:00] <laga> use archive.ubuntu.com
[06:00] <laga> instead
[06:00] <frink_> thats all that is in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:00] <laga> doesn't load here
[06:02] <frink_> oh well
[06:02] <frink_> it was all i had in sources.list
[06:04] <laga> 17:47 < laga> use archive.ubuntu.com
[06:04] <laga> instead :)
[06:06] <frink_>         Monitor and video card combination does not support DDC1 transfers
[06:06] <frink_>         Monitor and video card combination does not support DDC2 transfers
[06:06] <frink_> superm1_: No EDID :(
[06:06] <superm1_> frink_, that's unfortunate
[06:06] <superm1_> makes it a bit hard to find the right refresh rate and such
[06:07] <laga> ask the manufacturer?
[06:09] <DaveMorris> google the make and model for some sane defaults
[06:10] <laga> curl up in a corner
[06:12] <frink_> superm1_: Oh i have it in the book :)
[06:13] <frink_>     modeline "1360x768" 85 1360 1424 1536 1792 768 771 777 795 +hsync +vsync
[06:13] <frink_> should work
[06:13] <superm1_> your book says it like *that*?
[06:13] <frink_> lol no
[06:13] <frink_> i found that
[06:14] <frink_> that would be nice wouldnt it.. modelines in the book.
[06:14] <superm1_> one of the reasons i chose the tv i did when i purchased it was because i didn't need to mess with modelines.  EDID told me everything it needed to
[06:15] <DaveMorris> I though all modern monitors support EDID now
[06:15] <laga> how much is a nice HDTV in these US these days?
[06:16] <DaveMorris> http://www.ebuyer.com/UK/product/128474 - I'll gladdy accept that as a donation to make sure it works with mythbuntu
[06:16] <superm1_> you can get a 32" for ~ $1k
[06:16] <laga> hum. that's a bit of money
[06:17] <laga> i should open my old CRT tv to increase the birghtness setting
[06:17] <DaveMorris> laga wait a few more weeks and that'll be about 500
[06:17] <laga> i won't do that before i fix m-c-c though in case i get killed...
[06:17] <laga> we can already get 32" for 500
[06:17] <DaveMorris> we can get budget ones in the Uk for around 250 ish
[06:17] <laga> they're not necessarily the best tv sets but would be acceptable for many people
[06:18] <laga> adobe still hasnt fixed their directory traversal problem
[06:19] <frink_> laga: It must have been known for a week by now. I saw it first over the weekend.
[06:19] <DaveMorris> windows sys admins ;)
[06:19] <frink_> I would consider reporting it, but you know what happens to people who report these things.
[06:20] <frink_> did anybody get Download.cgi yet? It is a exploitable perl script? :)
[06:24] <Daviey> DaveMorris: LG 32LC2D ftw!
[06:25] <Daviey> supports rs232
[06:25] <superm1_> DaveMorris, but that doesn't do 1360x768 over vga...
[06:25] <superm1_> 1024x768 max res isnt it?
[06:25] <superm1_> but dvi/hdmi can do 1280x720
[06:26] <frink_> 1360x768 over rs232 perhaps?
[06:27] <laga> and what are you gonna do with rs232?
[06:27] <Daviey> laga: control the telly
[06:27] <Daviey> ie, on/off
[06:27] <frink_> laga: He can control it remotely.. He can ssh into it.
[06:27] <Daviey> naa, telnet only :(
[06:28] <frink_> Then h4x0r5 will telnet to his telly and change it pr0n channels when his mum's watching.
[07:59] <superm1_> DaveMorris, you here?
[08:00] <DaveMorris> yeah
[08:01] <DaveMorris> for around 15-20 mins till my dinner is cooked
[08:01] <superm1_> DaveMorris, what should we do about /home/ubuntu/ in the background path?
[08:01] <superm1_> i wonder if $HOME works there too
[08:02] <DaveMorris> personally, stick that background in /usr/share
[08:02] <superm1_> and then what about the after install?
[08:02] <DaveMorris> and point to it there, then when we install, we change the image for one we need
[08:02] <superm1_> because that will be a different path likely
[08:03] <DaveMorris> or we can use ~/.background.xpm and install the new background image to the created users account
[08:04] <superm1_> well its already installed into the new user's account
[08:04] <superm1_> well it should be
[08:04] <superm1_> from /etc/skel
[08:04] <superm1_> but i wonder what happens from m-c-c then
[08:05] <superm1_> i guess
[08:06] <DaveMorris> atm, the installed version of mythbuntu has a home dir installed of /home/ubuntu
[08:06] <superm1_> can you try switching it over to ~ ?
[08:06] <DaveMorris> which is still where they image is saved and loaded from
[08:06] <superm1_> right
[08:06] <superm1_> of ~ works, then this shouldn't be too much trouble
[08:07] <superm1_> i dont have a disk on me right now, so can you just boot one and change that one setting, log out and see
[08:10] <DaveMorris> didn't work :(
[08:10] <superm1_> that's a shame.
[08:10] <DaveMorris> I've got it installed and I'm trying with that
[08:10] <superm1_> well you do have a ~/.background.xpm in your user your trying with right?
[08:11] <DaveMorris> yeah
[08:12] <DaveMorris> found a bug though, I have 4 versions of network applet running after logging in and out 4 times with the mythbuntu-admin session
[08:12] <superm1_> oh it's saving your settings of launching it eh?
[08:13] <DaveMorris> I'm guessing it saving that it was running, and our log in script launches it each time
[08:14] <DaveMorris> could we run a different script when the user logs in with mythbuntu-admin session compared to the livecd, then we can use different settings for xfce by not exporting xdg paths for the mythbuntu-admin session, and thus falling back on the ones in ~/.config
[08:14] <superm1_> well when you log out, there is the option to "save your session"
[08:15] <superm1_> well this goes along the lines of that email i sent to ubuntu-mythtv mailing list
[08:15] <superm1_> i'm not sure the most appropriate soluiton
[08:15] <DaveMorris> there prob is, but the admin script should check to see if its running before launching again, I need to re sign up for that list
[08:16] <superm1_> because there is a lot of room for breakage for people migrating from feisty, as well as from alpha4
[08:16] <superm1_> well the options in ~/.config already override
[08:16] <superm1_> anything in the Xdg
[08:17] <DaveMorris> oh, none are installed though
[08:17] <superm1_> right
[08:18] <DaveMorris> my dinner is ready now
[08:18] <superm1_> ok
[08:19] <NeoFax> Hello everyone!  Does myth have a script that will download new video game/movie trailers like XBMC?
[08:24] <superm1_> there is such a thing, but its not an official plugin
[08:24] <superm1_> mythtrailers i think
[08:29] <NeoFax> superm1_: Thanks!
[08:30] <laga> re
[08:30] <superm1_> hi
[11:16] <superm1_> hi therethinker
[11:16] <therethinker> hello
[11:16] <superm1_> are you on gutsy right now?
[11:16] <superm1_> or have a gutsy box?
[11:16] <therethinker> I can set up a VM
[11:16] <superm1_> therethinker, okay well so let me give you a quick overview of what this is
[11:16] <superm1_> so you've heard of mythtv before right?
[11:16] <therethinker> yeah
[11:17] <therethinker> I used it for a bit
[11:17] <superm1_> okay and you've heard of mythbuntu?
[11:17] <therethinker> yes
[11:17] <superm1_> laga, i found him in -devel offering to help with python stuff :)
[11:17] <therethinker> ***laga: me
[11:17] <laga> oh, nice :)
[11:17] <superm1_> okay so last month, i authored an app for it called mythbuntu-control-centre
[11:18] <superm1_> its in pyGTK
[11:18] <therethinker> okay
[11:18] <superm1_> and pretty messy right now, it's what we like to call rapid coding
[11:18] <therethinker> okay
[11:18] <superm1_> so currently it can be spawned from mythtv or directly from command line
[11:18] <superm1_> but it doesnt really fit into the myth interface
[11:18] <therethinker> okay
[11:19] <superm1_> so recently there was this plugin for mythtv announced called mythpython
[11:19] <superm1_> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/290918
[11:20] <therethinker> okay
[11:20] <superm1_> we eventually want to create a second frontend available for mythbuntu-control-centre
[11:20] <superm1_> that fits directly into mythtv's interface
[11:20] <superm1_> via mythpython
[11:20] <therethinker> okay (sorry that's all I'm saying :P)
[11:21] <superm1_> i'm not sure exactly how involved this will be (but i expect very)
[11:21] <superm1_> been worrying about other items before getting started with this
[11:21] <therethinker> yeah
[11:22] <superm1_> so if you'd like to download a copy of the bzr branch of mythbuntu-control-centre and then take a look at mythpython and see what you think
[11:22] <superm1_> no needs to committing until you've taken a look around :)
[11:22] <therethinker> :)
[11:22] <DaveMorris> I assume the mcc wasn't built with facades, where we just need to change the gui facade implementation
[11:23] <therethinker> Okay
[11:23] <laga> therethinker: if you wanna run m-c-c, make sure to revert my last few commits, they're a bit broken *cough*
[11:23] <superm1_> the branch info is here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-control-centre
[11:23] <therethinker> thanks
[11:24] <superm1_> so like i said the coding is a bit messy because it was so rushed, so it probably will need to be abstracted a bit in any which way before much progress will be made on this i think
[11:25] <therethinker> okay
[11:26] <superm1_> okay i've got to run for a little myself and grab some dinner before my next class tonight.  if i'm not here when you respond, let one of the other guys know what you are thinking or send a mail over to ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com.  i should be back later on though
[11:27] <therethinker> okay, thanks! I'll let you know
[11:30] <therethinker> Do I need to use the mythbuntu alpha, or can I just use gutsy?
[11:30] <DaveMorris> I'm pretty sure it can be installed on gutsy
[11:30] <laga> you can use gutsy, yes.
[11:31] <therethinker> Good
[11:52] <MythbuntuGuest07> has anyone had an issue with a missing grub.conf with the latest alpha?
[11:53] <laga> not here
[11:53] <DaveMorris> I've not come across it
[11:54] <tgm4883> nope
[11:54] <tgm4883> although admittedly, I haven't looked for it
[11:54] <MythbuntuGuest07> its weird.  i mean, writing a grub.conf isnt a problem, but it just makes me wonder if its a bad disk or something
[11:54] <MythbuntuGuest07> i did think the install went a little fast for my liking
[11:55] <MythbuntuGuest07> even though im no stranger to linux, this is my first go around with mythbuntu
[12:01] <Samson-> MythbuntuGuest07: i just installed with the latest alpha and my grub config was created just fine
[12:03] <MythbuntuGuest07> ok ill reburn and try again.
[12:03] <MythbuntuGuest07> thanks guys
[12:13] <Samson-> i did have media errors on the CD I installed from though, running the media test on the CD will let you know
[12:13] <MythbuntuGuest96> help,  I have a schedueling issue,  I can select something to record but it does not show up in upcomming recordings or place the icon next to the item in the schedule.  I have tried from the web and the osd.
[12:14] <Samson-> anything in your backend logs?
[12:14] <DaveMorris> Does it record the show?
[12:14] <laga> MythbuntuGuest96: you probably haven't connected your video source to your video input.
[12:15] <MythbuntuGuest96> I can watch live tv and record live, just not schedule
[12:22] <DaveMorris> MythbuntuGuest96: have you checked what laga said?
[12:22] <MythbuntuGuest96> I have,  still no luck
[12:24] <laga> well, you have chedk it. what was the result of that check? :)
[12:25] <laga> checked*
[12:33] <MythbuntuGuest96> ok,  well,  the second reboot cleared up the issue
[12:33] <MythbuntuGuest96> thanks
[12:42] <superm1> laga, most definitely you broke m-c-c with that mythweb change. i rolled back to the old version and was able to switch roles and plugins no trouble.
[12:43] <laga> i know, i already took the blame
[12:44] <superm1> i appear to have found some bug in it too, it's appending to .lircrc
[12:44] <superm1> rather than replacing it
[12:44] <superm1> which can make for double or triple button presses
[12:45] <laga> interesting
[12:45] <superm1> easy enough fix though.  shutil.copy should be shutil.move
[12:45] <superm1> when it backs up the old file
[12:45] <superm1> i'll commit that quickly
[12:48] <laga> bai.
[12:49] <superm1> okay i'll cu later, off to class
[12:49] <laga> how many bugs did you fix in my xmltv grabber?
[12:49] <superm1> haha
[12:49] <laga> :P
[12:49] <laga> don't make me come after you with an IBM model m
[12:51] <laga> (i fixed a bunch in there, btw. :P)
[01:12] <foxbuntu_> evening tgm4883
[01:13] <foxbuntu_> !log
[01:13] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[01:13] <laga> superm1: looks like compile-type=apport is gonna be checked in real soon