=== Matir [n=david@c-76-17-119-30.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-x === jcristau_ [n=jcristau@hydrogene.pps.jussieu.fr] has joined #ubuntu-x [09:05] New bug: #144011 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "GUTSY. No video output firing up X." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144011 [09:06] New bug: #145097 in xorg (main) "Live session directly go to black screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145097 === mvo [n=egon@p54A67B72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-x === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-x [11:10] New bug: #145128 in xorg (main) "LiveCD No intel video" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145128 === mvo [n=egon@p54A67B72.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-x [02:11] New bug: #145186 in xorg (main) "mouse pointer disappears when using external display" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145186 [02:40] New bug: #145198 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "[gutsy] [9700] analog output on DVI-I broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145198 === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkibras-fe24f900-184.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-x [04:02] seb128: exactly how did you reach the conclusion that the broken gtkprint was caused by libcups? [04:04] Q-FUNK: what is the bug number? the backtrace calls are in libcups if I remember correctly [04:05] New bug: #145211 in xorg (main) "OS won't shutdown after certain video usage; memory corruption?" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145211 [04:06] bug #135832 [04:06] Launchpad bug 135832 in cupsys "evince: libgtkprint support is broken" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135832 [04:10] #1 0xb71b5478 in connect () from /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6 [04:10] #2 0xb476513c in httpAddrConnect () from /usr/lib/libcups.so.2 [04:10] #3 0xb47639e6 in httpReconnect () from /usr/lib/libcups.so.2 [04:10] ^ [04:10] that looks like it's hanging while connecting to cups [04:10] and it's a hang in libcups [04:10] maybe you have a firewall blocking it or something [04:11] definitely not [04:11] ok, so maybe the cupsys config is broken [04:11] or libcups has a bug [04:11] or you have a network issue [04:11] I'm not sure, and I don't know cups enough to figure [04:11] besides, gtkprint is the only thing that fails. gnomeprint, OOo, firefox, all work. [04:12] so that tells me that cupslib works fine, given how apps that directly access it and gnomeprint both work. [04:12] does it happen in other applications use gtkprint? yelp, epiphany, gtk-demo [04:13] I can try yelp. just a sec. [04:14] yelp also buggers. [04:14] same symptoms [04:15] k, so it looks like gtkprint, libcups, cupsys issue [04:15] having a backtrace with dbgsym package for those would be useful [04:16] gtkprint, definitely. [04:17] how do you know? [04:17] the backtrace indicates it's hanging in a connect made by libgnomecups [04:17] libcups rather [04:17] and yet gnomeprint doesn't hang during connect. it just works. [04:18] do you know it's internel? [04:18] does it uses the same libcups functions than gtkprint? [04:18] that's not because some part of libcups is not buggy that there is no bug [04:21] well, that's rich. === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-x === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-x [04:47] re [04:48] Q-FUNK: you know, trying to change bug setting over a maintainer is not the way to get it resolved [04:48] seb128: neither is changing it without justification. [04:49] Q-FUNK: I told you my justification [04:49] the stacktrace indicates it's blocked on a libcups listen [04:49] "looks like a libcupsys bug. reassigning." that's not a justification. [04:50] Q-FUNK: I gave you details on this chan [04:50] looks at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9211483/gdb-evince.txt [04:50] connect, httpAddrConnect, httpReconnect, httpConnectEncrypt [04:51] it's clearly hanging on a call from libcups [04:51] why do you think it's a GTK bug? [04:51] might be a httpConnectEncrypt() libcups bug, which is something libgnomeprint maybe doesn't use [04:51] you'd need to write that in the bug as a justification, for this to be usefull to pitti or anyone else. then they can decide for themselves if they agree with your assessment. right now, the one-liner your wrote is useless as an explanation. [04:52] I explain it to you on this chan [04:52] that could be. [04:52] you could have asked that instead of just reassigning [04:52] I already asked. [04:52] you had already reassigned [04:52] from now I'll just ignore this bug since you don't want to work in the right way [04:52] you thus didn't get copy of the question. [04:54] seb128: reassigning the bug with such a laconic justification helps nobody, so please work in the right way and provide details for that sort of action. [04:54] on the bug, where it belongs. [04:55] it was assigned to evince which was clearly wrong [04:55] I reassigned to libcups what is the most likely place according to the backtrace [04:55] what about letting the maintainer make calls? [04:55] bug tracker should not allow users to change settings over maintainers [04:56] anyway could you get a debug backtrace? [04:56] nothing more than what I already attached to the bug. [04:57] libcupsys2-dbgsym libc6-dbg libgtk2.0-0-dbgsym are installed? [04:57] http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9211483/gdb-evince.txt has no debug functions [05:01] New bug: #145244 in xft (main) "[gutsy] libXft library - undefined symbol FT_Library_SetLcdFilter" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145244 [05:58] tepsipakki: on bug 136783, what do you think of forcing TV off in dexconf? Is there a better way we can address this? [05:58] Launchpad bug 136783 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "not using whole widescreen" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136783 [06:28] /querry bryce_ ah :) [06:28] ... [06:28] hi Q-FUNK [06:29] bryce_: did the strace that Scott provide made any sense to oyu? [06:35] bug#? [06:37] bug #140051 [06:37] Launchpad bug 140051 in xserver-xorg-video-amd "amd driver fails to autoconfigure" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/140051 [06:41] New bug: #145276 in xorg (main) "xorg.conf multiple monitor failure" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145276 [06:56] New bug: #145283 in kde-guidance (main) "[gutsy] When Driver in xorg.conf is set to "openchrome" X fails to start. Changing it manually to "via" works." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145283 [07:10] Q-FUNK: interesting === tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-x [07:13] Q-FUNK: it looks like its segfaulting while trying to load vgafb [07:13] er, s/vgafb/vgahw/ [07:21] Q-FUNK, ok left my interpretation of the strace. I have no idea what's going on, but hopefully that should give you some new stuff to test [07:44] bryce_: well, that's one option.. but maybe first ask upstream? [07:51] tepsipakki: who would be best to ask? [07:54] hi, I am building new ati drivers in PPA now, with the post-194 git commit. [07:55] tepsipakki: also see discussion on #ubuntu-desktop about -ati's xrandr and multi-screening [07:55] I sense that glatzor would favor sticking with -ati 6.6.3 since displayconfig-gtk does not support xrandr yet [07:56] uh [07:56] ok [07:57] that's better than skip dualhead with intel&ati? [07:57] in displayconfig-gtk [07:57] &nv [07:58] right [07:58] well, dunno [08:00] stick with 6.6.3? omg we have to reopen many a bug then. like my favorite 22985... [08:00] i'll check the discussion soon [08:02] hmm #ubuntu-desktop is not logged [08:43] hmm, the reason why xresprobe fails for so many is probably that laptop-detect fails [08:45] that's what I'm wondering [08:46] it's easy to check.. [08:46] ask the reporters to run that [09:06] laptop-detect fails? again? [09:07] last time it failed during casper, but would work in installed, which was quite confusing. (#40503) [09:09] and I remember initial resolution detection would also fail. bug # anyone? [09:13] bug 127008 [09:13] Launchpad bug 127008 in xresprobe "Alternate install of Tribe-4 corrupts video display when installing packages (affected hardware includes Santa Rosa)" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127008 [09:20] tormod: btw, when you start a discussion with a user, and esp. after asking a question, could you set the state of the bug from New to Incomplete (or Confirmed)? [09:20] bryce_: ok, I do it sometimes :) [09:21] tormod: this'll help the bug triagers a lot [09:21] sure. It's just that I then feel compelled to assign it to myself, which I sometimes don't want to. [09:21] like bug 145097, can probably be set to incomplete [09:21] Launchpad bug 145097 in xorg "Live session directly go to black screen" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145097 [09:22] in that bug I am not at all sure I am on the right track, would be nice if someone else takes a look. [09:23] tormod, brian murray says the incomplete state should always be set when someone has at least taken a preliminary look, even if it's not clear what's going on [09:23] ok, will do that every time then. [09:24] cool thanks [09:24] yeah I looked at this one too, and it seemed odd [09:24] I wonder if it really is the screensaver coming on [09:24] it sounds very familiar; I think I ran into something similar once [09:25] however there the issue was that the clock got reset, so the screensaver *thought* a lot of time had passed and came on [09:25] doesn't sound like this is happening here [09:28] yes I saw that earlier when coming back from hibernation, but that's fixed (I think). [09:29] if he could change the screensaver and then restart X we would see. But at this point I am not sure he and I understand each other. [09:31] screensaver on/off is that logged somewhere? I guess not. [09:34] I don't think it's logged, but it could be tested for using 'xset q' [09:35] so something like xset q | grep -A 2 "Standby:" could be useful [09:36] if those values are not 0, then it means a screensaver may be active [09:36] you mean the built-in xorg screensaver, ok [09:38] I built an ati driver with verbose dpms messages, I could get him to try that. However, the blanking doesn't call dpms functions I guess, only when it's time to shut off the screen. [09:43] btw the new ati packages (with more "mode" fixes) are done building in my ppa [09:43] awesome [09:49] Brice Goglin mentioned the multi-board multi-head bug on the xorg list (ATI + MGA) [10:05] Looking at an Xorg.0.log I saw "(--) Chipset ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5A62 (PCIE) found" is 5A62 the product part of the pci id? [10:10] I think almost certainly [10:10] I notice ATI Radeon XPRESS 200M 5955 (PCIE) has pciid 1002:5955, so expect 5A62 would be similarly so [10:11] I'm pretty sure too and was trying to figure out if lspci wasn't always necessary. [10:12] I understand that ideally we would like it but instead of bothering a reporter for the umpteenth time. [10:19] it's extremely rare that the device name would include the pciid like in this case [10:22] That is the device name? [10:24] Okay, I see now. [10:24] there are probably so many versions of 200M they had to put in a unique ID [10:25] It seems ATI specific my laptops just says "Chipset 945GM found" [10:45] bbiab [10:46] bryce_: I suggest making a Gutsy/Xrandr page and link to it from the release notes. Otherwise it will be too much with links and workarounds. === Aondo [i=stian@85.19.195.72] has joined #ubuntu-x [11:31] good night === tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #ubuntu-x ["Ex-Chat"]