[12:43] damn [12:43] hm.... waking up to seeing the word "damn"... not a good start to the day... [12:44] I know how to fix gustavonarea's L35 issue, I just did it on Sunday for a guy who has been batteling with Canonical for a month to fix it, and in 15 minutes with mj59, we fixed it [12:44] he [12:44] heh [12:47] cool, he was in ubuntu-devel so I got to link him to bug #144297 [12:47] Launchpad bug 144297 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "[Gutsy] ATI (Radeon) and Linux 2.6.22 will not start" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144297 [12:47] which is the same issue [12:47] OK, I am going for Sushi, back in a bit :) [12:48] yum! [12:54] nixternal: presumably you're not able to do more on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Beta/Kubuntu ? === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-55-216.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-55-216.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === waylandbill [n=waylandb@70-101-124-72.dsl1-field.roc.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === angasule [n=angasule@190.49.248.175] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@khepri.openbios.org] has joined #kubuntu-devel === angasule [n=angasule@190.49.248.175] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === manchicken__ [n=manckn@12-226-72-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-009-088.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.241.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:39] whats current method to upgrade to Gutsy from our point of view [02:40] Tm_T: are you in #ubuntu-devel? [02:41] not currently, that's the channel I forgot, thanks for the tip =) [02:41] Tm_T: that is where they are talking about your question [02:41] before you asked it atleasr [02:41] atleast* [02:42] hum, and resolution was... [02:42] I mean, do we have some upgrade tool to test or should I just go the way I like [02:42] nothing [02:42] heh [02:43] Tm_T: for kde im not sure but for gnome the latest version of update-manager is in feisty-updates and the beta wiki tells you to make sur eyou have that [02:43] version [02:44] adept_manager --version-update ?? [02:44] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades [02:44] Jucato: not sure if its been updated yet [02:44] yep thats what this says but does it work? eh dont have a clue [02:45] er.. --version-upgrade [02:45] someone reported it as now working [02:45] kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade" [02:45] or rather crashing. [02:45] it most likely is if it cant handle unofficial packages [02:45] but it was marked as a bug for update-manager and she's was worried that it wouldn't be tested, known, and fixed for Kubuntu [02:46] bug 144188 [02:46] Launchpad bug 144188 in update-manager "version-upgrade crashes during Preparing for upgrade" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144188 [02:46] she provided an strace, but I asked her if she could get a backtrace... [02:46] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta is the way i saw during meeting but update-manager-kde might be differnet [02:49] we be better to have /var/log/dist-upgrade/all 3 files in there [02:49] s/we/would but i dont know that kde saves there or not [02:50] Jucato: most helpful line afaict is 17796 write(2, "dist-upgrade.py: cannot connect to X server :0\n", 47) = 47 and that isnt very helpful other than adept maybe not being able to keep X connection [02:51] so it may indeed be an Adept bug? [02:51] everything else looks fairly sane from what i see [02:52] oh, hey Jucato [02:52] hi coreymon77 [02:52] Jucato: it looks as if it is but im no expert, when i was triaging update-manager bugs the helpful files were in /var/log/dist-upgrade see if she has those file there than we can tell if a package caused it or if GUI caused it [02:52] gnomefreak: I'll ask her later to try again, seems like mvo said it was fixed [02:53] Jucato: adept uses apt/dpkg so he might have tweaked something [02:53] i have to ping him in morning about upgrade and envy crap so i might ask him about this that is if i dont miss him like today [02:53] but according to Riddel, the upgrade tool of adept is from the same source package, so I'm assuming he meant update-manager-core. === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:54] very possible but i thought there was an upda-manager-kde or something like that [02:54] update-manager-kde [02:54] nah [02:54] unless its combined into adept? [02:54] yep [02:55] hence the --version-upgrade [02:55] look lik eit was === Jucato hopes we can start having problem-free GUI upgrades to new versions soon [02:56] Is there such a thing? :-) [02:56] heh I wish [02:56] at least on Kubuntu that's still a dream [02:56] Jucato: I'm just testing it =) [02:56] 17796 read(4, "No protocol specified\n\277\277", 24) = 24 [02:56] 17796 write(2, "Xlib: connection to \":0.0\" refused by server\r\nXlib: ", 52) = 52 [02:56] 17796 write(2, "No protocol specified\n", 22) = 22 [02:56] that might be it [02:57] update-manager may have also suffered from this but looks like just an GUI issue to my limited knowledge of straces [02:58] ditto [02:58] piu [02:58] hence why mvo gets great pay and i work free [02:58] lol [02:58] piu piu [02:58] hahah [02:58] piu piu piu [02:58] night i have to get to sleep [02:58] so early? :) [02:59] g' night! :) [02:59] its 9pm [02:59] i have to get up at 4 [03:02] hmmmm [03:03] hm??? [03:03] actually, if I dont have and dont intend to have kubuntu-desktop metapackage installed, could --version-upgrade cause some pain? [03:03] afaik it reinstalls it [03:03] ok, so not that then === apachelogger__ [n=me@N929P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:17] Tm_T, stdin: please keep an eye on Hacker_. looks oddly familiar === Jucato ->setStatus( away ); // This is NOT an auto-away message :P [03:19] so I won't do !away > Jucato then :) === jjesse [n=jjesse@adsl-76-212-64-183.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@02-097.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:39] OK everyone...getting ready to work on some release notes...anything off the top of your head, please let me know === Jucato takes of the top of his head [03:40] "Dolphin not the default anymore"? [03:40] j/k [03:41] heh [03:42] is there a way to change that? I haven't looked into it yet? [03:42] File Associations -> inode/directory [03:42] Riddel is enjoying is vacation? [03:42] there are times when I wish Dolphin wouldn't open, and if I can not have it open at all would be bliss [03:42] and inode/system_directory [03:42] k [03:42] is strigi still loading by default? [03:42] OK, stupid question.... [03:42] :) === nixternal boots up live CD [03:43] still crashing by default here :P [03:43] lol [03:46] god, I love how slow KMail deletes a lot of email at once [03:46] actually, 30 seconds this time wasn't as bad..it is getting quicker :p [03:46] I bet strigi would be spectacular if I could only get it to work... [03:48] Tm_T: you can ban his real name Nathaniel Theis the syntax is a bit hard to remember i think nomral ban chars with ? between Nathaniel and Theis like *@* or whatever the first part should look like Nathaniel?Theis [03:48] I see === Jucato switches between channels.. [03:48] I try [03:49] stdin: I was about to set similar ban =) [03:50] Tm_T: *!Hacker@*.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net was the one I set earlier, but that didn't catch him for some reason [03:50] gnomefreak: give one more minute, then we should remove him (abusive, no need to hold him around) [03:50] Tm_T: agreed sorry i didnt want to talk about this in front of him [03:51] gnomefreak: I understand it well [03:52] what's +d again? [03:53] +d is realname ban [03:53] on the channel? [03:53] yeah [03:53] the channel mode I mean [04:01] nixternal: the current flash fix didn't come from mandriva, the one we're using now is a fix in gnome [04:02] roger that [04:02] evening [04:02] morning :) [04:02] smart ass [04:03] yep. I'm smart :D === Jucato was sedated last night too [04:03] Riddell: you are up a little late aren't ya? anyways, add stuff to the list before you pass out if you would like [04:03] early morning [04:04] I pulled the stuff that is currently there from the proposed tribe 6 page as well as the commit logs [04:04] *very* early [04:04] nixternal: these DVDs don't test themselves [04:04] 0504 here [04:04] riddells its 03 (?) [04:04] -t [04:04] 2:04 AM I think [04:04] nixternal: I don't think much has happened since tribe 6, so just add some of the greatest hits from before then and it should be sorted [04:04] roger [04:04] 03:04 it is for me [04:04] Jucato: AM ? [04:05] oh missed by 1 hour :) [04:05] sorry. AM = am :) [04:05] Jucato: Tm_T stdin damn all 3 of you here, can we get this hacker thing over with soon [04:05] am? [04:05] ante meridian [04:05] gnomefreak: what else needs to be done? [04:05] am=a monster in this house [04:05] Jucato: ah, you mean "american thingie" [04:05] gnomefreak: yes? [04:05] am = american morning [04:05] gnomefreak: I think my latest ban stops him from joining "*!??hacker@*snfc21.sbcglobal.net" [04:05] the 12-hour clock thingy [04:06] gnomefreak: he's banned from #kubuntu. period :) [04:06] Jucato: i would start with explaining why he was banned and continue with how long it will be for and warn him about the ctcp thing [04:06] nixternal: while probably good enough for the intended audience, the patch required was to gtk not nspluginviewier :) [04:06] stdin: hes in -ops [04:06] I already explained why [04:06] gnomefreak: yeah, I meant on #k [04:06] Riddell: gotcha [04:06] and I was about to remove the ban earlier this morning until I saw him come back [04:07] nixternal: link to the appropriate part of https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades [04:07] OK [04:07] nixternal: and highlight that you need to have feisty-proposed ("pre-released updates") enabled === Riddell beds [04:07] gnomefreak: he was banned for doing "init ctcp ping 0x00" multiple time, botabuse and random offtopic chatter [04:07] thanks Riddell, and g'nite [04:07] Riddell: so the --version-upgrade works for feisty>gutsy? [04:07] gnomefreak: despite being warned [04:08] stdin: i know why he was :) [04:08] gnomefreak: mostly, yes [04:08] Riddell: ok [04:08] ty === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === coreymon77 [n=coreymon@ubuntu/member/coreymon77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mluser [n=mluser@ip68-0-70-23.tu.ok.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:43] this is going to be a stupid question... what version of GNOME will Gutsy be using? [06:54] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Beta/Kubuntu [06:54] ^^ Ladies and Gentlemen, Children of all ages....check it out :) [06:54] heh I thought you were answering my question :P [06:55] you're amazing at how you were able to produce such a long document :) [06:55] ah wait nixternal! you might want to include strigi-applet in there [06:56] do it for me :) [06:56] my fingers are bleeding [06:56] bwahaha Riddell has a screenshot in his blog :P [06:56] oh, that applet [06:56] the kicker applet that is [06:56] I will do that now [06:56] yep that one [06:57] what were you thinking? [06:57] er. "thinking of" [06:57] I have no idea..and that was the main thing I wanted to get a pic of at that [06:57] hrmm [06:58] well, I know it is long overdue, but MS Paint can save .png files now :p [06:58] hahahahahahahahhaha [06:58] hahahah [06:58] nixternal: The GPG and S/MIME stuff we've had in the previous release notes could/should go in the KDEPIM section. [06:58] I was talking to a guy at Best Buy tonight and he said that was a nice addition [06:58] ScottK: isn't it in there? [06:58] argh, I must have copied over it when I pasted from kwrite [06:58] sorry, I will add that back in [06:58] If it is, I missed it. I'll look again. [06:59] no, it isn't in there...I either copied over it, or when deleting my img links I may have grabbed a little to much [07:00] hm.. perhaps I should do a test upgrade now... [07:00] haha, a comcast employee commented on my blog [07:01] nixternal: Around here when I bitch to the Comcast techs about Comcast, they agree as long as it's not on a recorded line. [07:01] hrmm, strigi doesn't remember what it indexed previously ey? [07:02] a comcast line tech came over to my house after my repeated threats and cancellation of digital phone service today...and he walked the hood trying to find the problem...he not only located it, he fixed it, and then came back to my house with an update...he went way out of his way, which I cannot say I have ever seen with Comcast in the past [07:02] actually, he didn't come to my house, but the box is in my backyard for our side of the street [07:03] So let me know when you think you've put the encryption stuff back in to I can kvetch if you didn't do it right. [07:04] I am going to just copy and paste what you wrote 12 years ago :p [07:04] OK. As long as you copy/paste better than you did last time, that should be fine. === DaSkreech [n=ubuntu@72.252.28.11] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:05] Jucato: ping [07:05] pong === Jucato gets the paddles === Jucato waits for the serve [07:06] nixternal, need any screenshots? [07:06] I think I am covered for screenies [07:07] nixternal: your screenies are great. do you put the shadows there yourself? [07:07] yes [07:07] koolness [07:07] using? MS Paint? [07:08] Vista delux edition. [07:08] hehe anyway, I just saw the http://www.ubuntu.com/products/WhatIsUbuntu/kubuntu page for the first time, and thought we could use one of yours for updated screenies on that page [07:08] gimp [07:08] the only editor I somewhat know how to use [07:08] hahah [07:08] no Krita eh? :) [07:09] nope [07:09] how comes the libsoprano is out of date in gutsy? [07:09] DaSkreech: is that what you ping'ed me for? [07:10] Jucato: no it was along the same lines but I just figured I'd skip the other stuff [07:10] hah === Jucato knows nothing about libsoprano though [07:11] Yeah but nepomuk depends on it and I'm thinking that since KDe4 is coming out for gutsy and work will start on pushing towards 4.1 we should have the libs there for people who want to help out [07:12] oh you mean KDE 4 packages... they will always be out of date... since we can't always keep up with SVN right? :) [07:12] waiting for beta 3 for the next set of packages [07:13] no [07:13] It's a package that's outside of KDE [07:13] for RDF [07:13] ah I see [07:14] the version in the reposis 0.9 the version on the site is 1.9 I think [07:14] nepomuk needs the new one. [07:14] how likely is it that it can be updated if a package is built [07:14] I'm still not sure how packages in universe go with respects to version freezes [07:15] not sure... we're in beta freeze now right? and feature freeze too I think [07:16] right and Universe packages have to respect that as well [07:16] if ever, we could probably just include it in the same repos (kubuntu.org?) for kde4 [07:16] nixternal would most probably know bitter [07:16] done and done [07:16] wow [07:16] that was quick :) [07:16] libsoprano is in the kde support stuff now right? [07:16] nixternal is the man ;-) [07:16] I doubt he was referring to sopranos [07:16] Jucato: I know it was still funny [07:17] yep it was [07:17] nixternal: yeah [07:17] for about 0.2 secs [07:17] no, the strigi applet screenshot and the gpg info [07:17] we know :) [07:17] the version we have now is for the KDE 4 Beta 2 release [07:17] yep [07:18] if they have updated it since, then it won't get updated until Beta 3 unfortunately, since no other application needs it [07:18] Hmm [07:18] um.. DaSkreech [07:18] Si? [07:18] where did you see that it's current is 1.9? === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:18] http://downloads.sourceforge.net/soprano/soprano-1.90.0-beta1.tar.bz2?modtime=1190048817&big_mirror=0 === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:19] Riddell: when you wake up, there is a nice little release notes page awaiting you :) [07:19] I like this set of release notes the best honestly [07:19] ah in trunk === mars [n=cb@LSt-Amand-152-33-21-185.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:19] And I jumped into #kde4-devel to ask about the URL for KDE4 showstoppers and somehow got peppered for it [07:19] this set will make it easier come time for the website release notes [07:20] yay :) [07:20] \o/ [07:20] DaSkreech: ok saw it. was looking at the old SF site === aplg|mobile [n=me@193.170.67.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:20] and yeah, trunk/kdesupport/soprano/README says 1.9 too [07:20] Apparently nepmuk won't build === Jucato has bad luck with strigi and nepomuk... [07:21] the two things I want really badly in KDe4 [07:21] I was sort of looking forward to them... being able to tag files and search by tags [07:21] then sonnet :( [07:21] it's the only sensible use I have of any desktop search [07:21] otherwise, find + grep = power!! [07:21] Man I should stop lusting after things in KDe4 seems to make them wither [07:22] kfind would have actually = power too if it didn't do reg exp by default... [07:22] Jucato: nepomuk is better :) [07:22] well yeah, but only if you got it to work [07:22] otherwise, my guns are on find, grep, and locate [07:23] nixternal: btw, that speedy gonzales is Freddy? [07:23] Yeah I guess having up todate dependencies in a KDE4 repo makes sense [07:24] Jucato: yes [07:24] hehe I knew it! :) [07:24] I got some really great pictures of him this weekend at the LUG from one of our other guys === Jucato now has something to tease him about [07:24] that one, and a few more that probably were not good for the planet [07:24] lol [07:24] ariba ariba! [07:24] hehe [07:25] he will be home in a couple of weeks, and I am going over to his parents for authentic mexican food...man I cannot wait [07:25] burritos and tacos!! [07:25] heh, neither of which are authentic === DaSkreech breaks out the nose clothespin [07:25] lol [07:25] haha [07:26] oh man, there is this TV show on satellite where this guy travels the world and eats all kinds of exotic foods [07:26] and the nastiest yet, was in Riddell's neighborhood [07:26] The Nixternal Show! [07:26] oh really? what was it? [07:26] Haggis? I think that is what it is called....I couldn't stomach it [07:26] Which reminds me I need to write up a review of Vista === Jucato checks [07:26] DaSkreech: I will help you. IT SUCKS! [07:26] there you go, done [07:27] yeah === DaSkreech breaks out the nose clothespin [07:27] Stinks too [07:27] Vista kind of reminds me of this present I got for Christmas many years ago [07:27] oh no nixternal... I don't think that's the nastiest yet === DaSkreech knows he's going to regret this story [07:27] the wrapping paper was really pretty, and it looked great, but low and behold, it contained the ugliest sweater I have ever seen in my life [07:28] Vista is kind of like that....nice wrapping with really crappy innards [07:28] nixternal: has that guy ever gone to our place yet? [07:28] Jucato: I have eaten some weird stuff, especially in Milaysia...but Haggis is something I will not even attempt to touch [07:28] Jucato: as a matter of fact, he has [07:28] nixternal: this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balut [07:29] he ate that in Viet Nam I believe [07:29] he ate some nasty stuff in Viet Nam [07:29] worms was the big one he ate that made me almost gag [07:29] hehe [07:29] something else, but I can't remember what it was [07:30] fertilized duck eggs :) [07:30] ahh, ya that was another one [07:30] but they didn't call it a duck, they called it something else and I can't remember now [07:30] did he ferti... never mind [07:30] lol [07:30] just look at the images :) [07:30] http://travel.discovery.com/tv/bizarre-foods/bizarre-foods.html [07:31] there is his website [07:31] I eat only a part of that.. the part that becomes the egg, not the duck [07:31] what? [07:31] the egg becomes the duck [07:32] part of the egg is still unformed... the yolk part I guess, coz it's yellow :) [07:32] that one I eat. I don't eat the baby duck [07:32] go figure, haggis is listed in his top 10 most bizarre foods he has ever eaten [07:33] one of my favorite foods is filipino...ponset is how it is pronounced [07:33] "So off I go to Pateros, just outside Manila, for my Balut fest. If you havent eaten fertilized duck embryos, then you havent lived. They taste like teeny iron-y liver balls with a duck burp on the back end." [07:33] pansit? [07:34] ya [07:34] mmmmmmmm mmmmm goood! [07:34] hehe [07:34] there are about half a dozen kinds of pansit here... [07:35] yum yum :) [07:35] we had a lot of people from the Phillipines living on our base in Maryland at one point, and a couple worked for the Greeks diner, and they would make it special for the family, and I tell you what, it was the most delicious thing I have tasted [07:36] they say filipinos have a passion for good food :) [07:36] I can't really say, but I have a passion for eating good food :D [07:37] ca say is that duck he ate [07:37] he did not like that [07:37] ship worms was the other thing he ate [07:37] "You know you've been spending too much time in #kubuntu... when you start saying !es when someone speaks in Spanish" [07:37] heh [07:38] oh well, I think it is time I get some sleep...see ya'll on the flipside of Beta! :) [07:38] g'nite [07:38] hehe g'night! [07:38] er.. k'night! [07:38] hahahahaha [07:38] nice [07:38] I am going to do that from now on [07:38] hahah === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:44] Hobbsee: !!! 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[07:46] hey Jucato! === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.16] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-157-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Stecchino [n=bart@fireext.wenk.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a5c7:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:07] nixternal: poke === Shely [n=Sea@60.20.54.11] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:08] Sleeping [09:08] zzzzZZzz [09:09] fg %jucato === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-157-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.16] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@adsl-75-5-236-211.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|mobile [n=me@193.170.67.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@chello084112133091.25.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Stecchino is now known as Stecchino_ === Stecchino_ is now known as Stecchino === aplg|mobile [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:04] new kdepim enterprise snapshot in my ppa - testers appreciated [11:05] there is new attachement list in header (like MS outlook) - but may still change === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@kotnet-149.kulnet.kuleuven.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:19] <_StefanS_> Lure: is it kmail that needs testing? [11:19] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the iso's work fine both cd and dvd. The only thing is usplash doesn't work all the time on amd64 (dont know exactly why). === lucky_lucas [n=lucas@100.81.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:25] _StefanS_: kmail and korganizer were changed primarily (other changes are small/bug fixes) [11:32] (yay korganizer :P) === Riddelll [n=jr@87-194-29-91.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sahin_w [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-58-133.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-126-168.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:02] ryanakca: hey :) [12:02] ryanakca: is that you who told me about a new kdm-theme problem ? [12:02] hi everyone :) [12:02] Riddellkds uploaded with a second kdm theme as promissed [12:04] Tonio_: maybe I did? [12:04] if you meant the kdmtheme control module [12:05] Jucato: ho that was you [12:05] Jucato: yeah I haved seen the problem and I hate the solution, but maybe not the time to do it myself... [12:05] I HAVE the solution [12:05] oooh what is it? [12:06] Jucato: you have to write the selected theme in a /etc/default/kdm.d/30-kdm-theme file for example [12:06] instead of hacking kdmrc [12:06] shouldn't be that hard to do in the code [12:06] looked at the code, it's kinda hardcoded to use kdmrc... but that's just from a noob's point of view === glatzor [n=renate@p54975383.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:06] then to check which one is in use, you have to parse all the /etc/default/kdm.d/ files and get the highest value [12:07] _StefanS_: hey ;) weren't you searching for some code to perform ? ;) [12:07] _StefanS_: this one is interesting :) [12:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sure?! [12:07] _StefanS_: package hint : kdm-theme [12:07] <_StefanS_> A bug I reckon ;) [12:07] <_StefanS_> ah.. remove the userlist? :) [12:07] Tonio_: um.. another problem is that the file in /etc/default/kdm.d/ changes a lot [12:07] _StefanS_: nope [12:07] _StefanS_: done :) [12:08] right now it's 20_kubuntu_default_setting... [12:08] _StefanS_: kdm theme writes the new theme in kdmrc, that doesn't work in kubuntu since we use /etc/Default/kdm.d to set kdm settings [12:08] who knows what number or name we'll reach :) === glatzor [n=renate@p54975383.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:08] _StefanS_: the value is currently in 20-kubuntu-default-settings [12:08] can be overwritten via a 30-xxxxxxxxx file in that folder [12:09] _StefanS_: kdmtheme is a kcontrol module to graphically manage KDM themes. but is hardcoded to use the kdmrc and its values [12:10] so while Tonio_ was able to fix a "No Administrator Mode" bug (yay!!!) this new bug makes it practically useless :( [12:10] <_StefanS_> Jucato: correction. I fixed that one ;) === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@bchm-4d091931.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:10] _StefanS_: oh you did?! kooool! === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a5c7:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so kdmtheme should just look into the kubuntu-fied kdmrc then. [12:10] one day, when I know about KControl modules, I'll ask you what happened === Jucato nods === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@bchm-4d091931.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'll fix that, no problem. === Jucato wonders if the parser (or whatever you call that thing that will read the config) will be case sensitive [12:12] Tonio_: could I ask what was the reason behind the change from /etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc to /etc/default/kdm.d/ ? === Jucato apologizes to _StefanS_ for misattribution [12:14] <_StefanS_> thats ok [12:21] Jucato: dynamic configuration [12:21] hm.. ok :) === Jucato will pretend he understood === rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:36] Jucato: sure, the point is that putting specific kubuntu settings meant to hack the kdmrc file via a postinst script, which is kinda ugly [12:37] ah I see [12:37] ok got it :) [12:37] Jucato: now you can simply create a file and the different files are parsed for the settings [12:37] Jucato: same reason httpd.conf has been split in debian I'd say ;) [12:38]