Daviey"Poll" - how should the date & time be added?01:05
=== popey pokes kiko
popeyany lp admins about, we need a poll deleting 01:27
=== doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-117-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad
=== jml [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad
=== spiv [n=andrew@] has joined #launchpad
=== jml [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad
=== danilo__ [n=danilo@adsl-236-193.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad
=== kiko [n=kiko@canonical/launchpad/pdpc.supporter.active.kiko] has joined #launchpad
Davieykiko: ping02:07
=== Philip5 [n=Philip@c83-253-56-100.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #launchpad
poolie__can anyone tell me: who is allowed to add download files for a project?02:14
kikoDaviey, pong02:17
kikopoolie__, only project owners, I believe.02:17
Davieykiko: Can you remove a poll from a team?02:17
kikoDaviey, you'll need to ask for support, above, because that needs DBA intervention.02:17
pooliekiko, i think this person (bialix) is a member of the ~bzr02:17
=== merriam_ [n=merriam@85-211-21-215.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad
kikopoolie, and he can't see the link, or..?02:18
Davieykiko: raise a Q @ https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad ?02:18
pooliekiko, he gets https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/14541602:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 145416 in launchpad "Who's allowed to add download files?" [Undecided,New]  02:20
kikoDaviey, yes, exactly.02:21
kikopoolie, that sounds like a question, not a bug?02:21
pooliei can change it to an assertion02:23
Davieykiko: done, thanks02:23
pooliekiko, the bug is "it's not clear who's allowed to download files"02:25
pooliebut i guess i should also file a question02:25
kikoDaviey, thanks.02:25
kikopoolie, ah, one thing.02:26
kikopoolie, it is actually possible that the registrant of the series or release is the one allowed.02:26
pooliethat might explain it02:28
pooliei'm not sure that's the best behaviour though02:28
pooliei'd like to let port maintainers upload their work directly02:29
poolieis fix-it-friday still running?02:29
mptGoooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!02:30
ubotuNew bug: #145416 in launchpad "It is not clear who is allowed to add download files" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14541602:30
kikopoolie, it sounds like an ugly bug in fact02:30
kikobut I am pulling a branch to find out.02:30
pooliekiko, it's not super urgent02:30
pooliejust surprising02:30
pooliei can upload for him02:31
pooliehello mpt!02:31
=== gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad
kikohey mpt 02:31
pooliei'm trying to add a comment on https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/1407102:45
poolieand it just stalls - no timeout error02:45
kikopoolie, can you leave it to timeout?02:46
kikoI have seen this happen before 02:46
kikobut it was a backend crash02:46
pooliesorry, i closed the window02:46
poolieit was stalled for more than 2 minutes02:46
ubotuNew bug: #145420 in launchpad "Final batches of 1~2 items are annoying" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14542002:55
=== effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad
ubotuNew bug: #145423 in launchpad "fmt:link shouldn't link to the same page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14542303:01
ubotuNew bug: #145428 in soyuz "Source package page looks like a discussion" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14542803:20
pooliethanks kiko!03:26
kikoyou're welcome poolie 03:26
=== tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad
=== stu1 [n=stub@ppp-] has joined #launchpad
=== tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad
=== jml_ [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad
pwnguinshould i be concerned if uploading a .dsc is taking forever?03:54
=== tck [n=tck@A-78-101.cust.iol.ie] has joined #launchpad
pooliehow do i make a team?04:21
gnomefreaksame way you made your personal account iirc04:26
=== DrSmall [n=Dr@70-41-140-16.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #launchpad
=== effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad
pooliegnomefreak, i have it, it's  in the dropdown menu from the top bar04:31
pooliegnomefreak, i made my account through the login/register window04:31
pooliewhich is much more easily reached04:31
poolieanyhow it's bug 10236104:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 102361 in launchpad "It's not obvious how to register a team" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10236104:31
gnomefreaki see, we did lose the teams/people page or atleast there is no link for it 04:37
gnomefreakgoes to read bug04:37
gnomefreakproblem is the way to get dropdown from home is to click on home than it just reloads launchpad.net so you cant click on the menu items (atleast here)04:38
pooliegnomefreak, if i hover the mouse over it for a couple of seconds then the menu pops down and i can click things04:42
pooliebut it's a bit tricky04:42
spivIt is very hard to find https://help.launchpad.net/UsingMaloneEmail on help.launchpad.net04:43
=== jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad
lifelessspiv: easy via google04:50
=== mayeco [n=mayeco@] has joined #launchpad
=== stu1 is now known as stub
=== cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad
=== tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad
=== stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #launchpad
=== jml_ [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad
=== Martinp23 [n=martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #launchpad
=== tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad
=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad
=== tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #launchpad
=== tonyy is now known as tonyyarusso
=== ddaa [n=ddaa@canonical/launchpad/ddaa] has joined #launchpad
ubotuNew bug: #145472 in launchpad "Acer Aspire 5050 - Sound doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14547208:15
=== carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #launchpad
pwnguinhey uh, do ppas actually have source repos?08:22
pwnguinhah, wrong repo08:24
=== zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #launchpad
=== thumper [n=tim@125-236-193-95.adsl.xtra.co.nz] has joined #launchpad
=== elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #launchpad
mptI will give a chocolate fish to the person who figures out why so many people ask Ubuntu-related questions at http://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad instead of http://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu09:25
Hobbseempt: because launchpad is the ubuntu bugtracker.09:26
Hobbseempt: that's what's on all the information09:26
Hobbseempt: ie, so the bugtracker must be called "launchpad" - they dont get projects.09:26
Hobbsee"oh, i have to ask my question on launchpad.  this says launchpad.  this must be right"09:27
stdinsame reason they report Ubuntu bugs as Launchpad bugs, like bug #14547209:27
mptHobbsee, that's just the thing. We worked hard to eliminate old links to <http://launchpad.net/malone>, and now people *don't* report Ubuntu bugs against the Launchpad project(s) any more.09:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 145472 in launchpad "Acer Aspire 5050 - Sound doesn't work" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14547209:28
mptbut they *do* ask Ubuntu questions, and that's what baffles me.09:28
mptWhere by "don't" I mean "hardly ever" :-P09:28
Hobbseempt: the documentation probably points them without the ubuntu on the end?09:28
Hobbseeand probably because LP is still difficult to use, if you've not seen it before09:28
mptWhat documentation? Something in Ubuntu Help? Something on the wiki? Something in Launchpad itself?09:29
mptSure, I know Launchpad is difficult to use. I mean, specifically.09:29
Hobbseei'd guess ubuntu help & wiki09:29
mptThere is some misleading link, or misleading field, somewhere09:29
Hobbseempt: we're still getting people going "oh, i cant find package X in launcphad - it says it doesnt use this to track it's bugs.  this cant be right.  help, i'm lost!"09:29
pwnguinas hard to use as launchpad may or may not be09:30
mptYes, (I'm almost certain) I know why *that* problem exists -- it's because we have something that looks like a search field that searches only projects, not packages09:30
pwnguinits better than the alternatives =/09:30
mptBut that's a separate problem.09:30
=== Hobbsee looks around
Hobbseepwnguin: that's true.  although i like kde's bugzilla in some ways09:30
pwnguinultimately i think its a branding issue09:31
Hobbseeubuntu.com is pointing to the right page09:31
Hobbseemight be from the forums09:32
pwnguinif people start using say bugs.ubuntu.com instead of "launchpad"09:32
pwnguinin ubuntu09:32
mptHmm, our refer[r] er logs might contain the answer09:34
Hobbseempt: uh, yeah.09:35
Hobbseempt: i thougth you'd have checked that, before asking :)09:35
Hobbseepwnguin: on the release notes and such, it's "The ubuntu bugtracker"09:36
pwnguinhow the heck DO they do that?09:37
pwnguinit takes some effort to report against LP itself =/09:38
Hobbseepwnguin: never underestimate the power of clueless people.09:39
HobbseeAHEM.  did i say that?09:39
Hobbseei must have been working too much09:39
pwnguinmpt: considered asking him when you close the bug?09:40
mptThis is not about bugs09:44
mptThe equivalent problem for bugs is now (almost completely) solved09:44
mptThis is about questions.09:44
mpturgh, I can't open source package pages any more09:44
mptAh, it's an edge-only problem09:47
ubotuNew bug: #145493 in soyuz "Source package page oopses on edge" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14549309:55
Hobbseempt: oh yay, you saw my bug :)09:59
Hobbseempt: the versions/maintainer/etc panel on launchpad10:01
mptoh, in bug pages10:03
mptIt's awkward, because we're also trying to make the bug pages less context-specific10:03
mpt(so that the same bug doesn't end up in Google umpteen times)10:04
=== raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad
mptAnd that box was the one big context-specific thing.10:05
mptThe one big thing about the bug page (apart from the headings) that was different from context to context.10:05
=== intellectronica [i=intellec@nat/canonical/x-c4e88da6e95f6456] has joined #launchpad
=== mrevell [n=matthew@canonical/launchpad/mrevell] has joined #launchpad
DavieyHey, are you LP admins around with DB acess?10:11
=== poolie [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad
=== gmb [i=gmb@nat/canonical/x-41ab0a537b70cbc6] has joined #launchpad
=== schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #launchpad
=== lionel [n=lionel@ip-149.net-89-3-208.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #launchpad
=== nomad_ [n=nomad@] has joined #launchpad
Davieyschwuk: Do you have DB access to LP?10:22
schwukDaviey: Not directly.10:23
Davieypoop... i need a Poll removed :(10:23
=== allenap [i=allenap@nat/canonical/x-995c3c6f7708c1d4] has joined #launchpad
mwhfile a Question, i think10:28
Davieymwh: done :)10:28
=== fabbione [n=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad
=== bigjools-afk [n=ed@82-71-93-254.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #launchpad
=== yeager [n=yeager@ubuntu/member/yeager] has joined #launchpad
=== [Jerry_Teps] [i=Jerry@C-61-68-3-107.hay.connect.net.au] has joined #launchpad
=== Philip5 [n=Philip@c83-253-56-100.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #launchpad
=== sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad
=== mdz_ [n=mdz@] has joined #launchpad
=== Balaams_Miracle [n=balaam@g175073.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #launchpad
=== Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #launchpad
=== Watersevenub [n=Watersev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad
=== Watersevenub [n=Watersev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has left #launchpad ["Saindo"]
=== rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad
=== cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad
=== mdz_ [n=mdz@] has joined #launchpad
=== zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #launchpad
=== xhaker [n=xhaker@di19.di.fct.unl.pt] has joined #launchpad
=== Mez_ [n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad
TomaszDcarlos, 9 days for rosetta .po import. Will it make it before the final langpack is created? :P01:08
carlosI hope it :-(01:09
carloswe are planning a workaround to get this complete as soon as possible01:09
TomaszDoh man, I wish I just used the batch option and translated this in rosetta instead of uploading the po file01:10
TomaszDcarlos, still no langpack this week :(01:14
carloswell, it's planned to be done today or tomorrow01:15
carloswith beta release, the archive was closed01:15
=== TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad
=== niemeyer [n=niemeyer@] has joined #launchpad
=== bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #launchpad
=== bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #launchpad
Ngwhat is implied by marking a LP project as inactive? does it disappear?02:03
=== matsubara [n=matsubar@canonical/launchpad/matsubara] has joined #launchpad
=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad
=== hexmode [n=user@] has joined #launchpad
=== WebMaven [n=webmaven@c-24-218-183-144.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad
=== Spads [i=spacehob@nat/canonical/x-4296768278cf4e6a] has joined #launchpad
hexmodehttps://code.edge.launchpad.net/~hexmode/+junk/i2ce-debian ... Doesn't seem to be mirroring02:35
hexmodethe problem was fixed02:35
=== salgado [n=salgado@canonical/launchpad/salgado] has joined #launchpad
=== allenap [i=allenap@nat/canonical/x-3b529ffea56013a2] has joined #launchpad
=== raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad
=== bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad
=== flacoste [n=francis@modemcable040.144-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad
=== AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@] has joined #launchpad
=== sinzui [n=sinzui@pool-70-17-91-59.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #launchpad
=== bac [n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac] has joined #launchpad
ubotuNew bug: #145624 in malone "Malone footer text partly non-clickable" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14562403:35
ubotuNew bug: #145626 in malone "Malone milestone lists shows last bug twice" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14562603:41
=== adeuring [n=abel@Fc1c3.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #launchpad
=== jtv [n=jtv@125-24-90-248.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #launchpad
=== matsubara [n=matsubar@canonical/launchpad/matsubara] has joined #launchpad
=== stub [n=stub@125-24-90-248.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #launchpad
=== danilo__ is now known as danilos
=== jsk [i=jonathan@nat/canonical/x-947eb83ed00e546f] has joined #launchpad
=== raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad
statikhey there stub, what's the weather like this time of year?03:59
=== sinzui rushes off for coffee
=== mwh [n=mwh@62-31-157-102.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad
=== bigjools-afk is now known as bigjools
=== lakin [n=lakin@] has joined #launchpad
salgadoSteveA is not going to be around today, right?04:00
salgadois mpt going to chair the meeting, then?04:01
bacisn't kiko our leader today?04:01
salgadomaybe. I don't remember04:01
gmbThat's the idea, yes.04:01
salgadowe're calling him. he's not working from the office today04:03
=== jtv imitates the whistle of a bicycle geekette in heat
SteveAsalgado: I'm not around today04:03
statiksweet fancy moses I just saw a ghost04:03
SteveAmpt: would you chair today's meeting please?04:04
mptFor the next I-don't-know-how-many minutes, we'll be discussing Launchpad development.04:04
gmballenap just said "me" out loud.04:04
mptWho is here today?04:04
jskgmb: lol04:04
mreveller, me04:05
mptWe're spreading memes04:05
ddaamwh seems to be late, he went out to collect his fixed laptop04:05
mptteam leads, please check the presence of your colleagues04:06
mpt== Agenda ==04:06
jtvTrying to get to carlos...04:06
mpt * Next meeting04:06
mpt * Actions from last meeting04:06
mpt * Oops report (Matsubara)04:06
mpt * Critical Bugs (Rinchen)04:06
mpt * Bug tags04:06
mpt * Operations report (mthaddon)04:06
mpt * DBA report (stub)04:06
mpt * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen)04:06
schwuka belated me04:06
mpt * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell)04:06
mpt * Poll: who has read the "critical situations" policy - SteveA04:06
=== schwuk was distracted
mpt * Importance for bugs related to missing/failing tests - flacoste04:07
mpt * Blockers04:07
matsubarampt: I think the poll is from the last week meeting04:07
mptAt this point I should apologize for not having published the notes from the last two weeks' meetings yet04:07
mwhhere now04:07
mptso the agenda is probably out of date04:07
mptIf you have any subtractions or additions to make, please /msg me04:07
Hobbseempt: poll was done last week, iirc.04:08
mpt== Apologies ==04:08
Hobbsee"yes, i read it, and it was interesting, thrilling even." or something04:08
jtvgripping, I believe04:08
SteveAas in "I apologise for not being here today"04:08
Hobbseeah, gripping.  that's it.04:08
intellectronicastill is thrilling. i read it daily04:08
=== SteveA disappears again
mptIt appears that most of the apologies are out of date04:08
mptah, and mwh is here now04:09
mptso, all the apologies are from previous weeks04:09
mptok, moving on04:09
mpt== Actions from last meeting ==04:09
flacosteRinchen and thumper are on vacation this week04:09
mpt * matsubara to get feedback from team leads about any security concerns in giving them access to the shared staging mailbox (unfinished from last week)04:09
mptThat smells old. Is it?04:09
flacostethat's also old stuff04:09
jtvwe've done that *twice*04:09
mptno others04:09
statikthat is so 200704:09
matsubarait's old mpt04:09
mpt== Oops report ==04:09
matsubaraToday's oops report is about bugs 13227004:10
ubotuBug 132270 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/132270 is private04:10
matsubarajamesh, news about #132270? It's been happening for quite some time now.04:10
lamontdear launchpad: I want to have https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postfix/+latest go to the right place04:10
danilosmpt: that's old, we've had an OOPS report last week04:10
mptdanilos, nice try04:10
=== lamont should file a bug, I guess.
iwjBjornT: Any news on my vanishing emails ?04:11
matsubarajamesh: ?04:11
jameshmatsubara: I haven't done a fix for that.  Has it been happening in production?04:11
cprovlamont: yes, please.04:11
matsubarajamesh: yes04:11
jamesh(sorry, was waiting for the bug page to load)04:11
BjornTiwj: no, not yet04:11
iwjBjornT: Hmm.  There doesn't seem to be much point me turning the package tester back on until the emails are going to have some effect ...04:12
matsubarajamesh: it's been triggered 6 times since last week.04:13
jameshmatsubara: I'll have a look into it -- I think we've can handle that case with a failed assertion response rather than an OOPS04:13
jamesh(I wonder if that bug needs to be private still?)04:13
matsubarajamesh: it's private because it deals with the SSO stuff. up to you to make it public04:14
BjornTiwj: oh, i didn't realize it was blocking you. i'll take a look at it later today/tonight04:14
carlossorry, I was distracted...04:14
mptok, is that all for the oops report?04:14
matsubarajamesh: thanks for handling that.04:14
iwjBjornT: Thanks.04:14
matsubarampt: I'm done with oops report. I'll follow on with Critical bugs04:15
mpt== Critical bugs (matsubara filling in for Rinchen) ==04:15
matsubaraWe have 3 not in progress critical bugs 129942, 141614, 141652.04:15
ubotuBug 129942 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/129942 is private04:15
matsubarampt, what's the status of #129942 (btw, that bug doesn't seem critical by DefinitionofCriticalPolicy)04:15
matsubara#141614 is another one for you mpt.04:15
matsubarasinzui can you check #141652? It looks like a janitor issue.04:15
matsubaracprov, have an ETA for bug 144392?04:15
ubotuLaunchpad bug 144392 in soyuz "cron.daily dies after poppy restart because of permission problems with queue dot-lock file" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144392 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov)04:15
cprovmatsubara: it's pending review, isn't it ?04:16
ubotuNew bug: #145640 in launchpad "Got an oops looking for openoffice.org2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14564004:16
lamontOOPS-635EA140  04:16
lamonthrm... is that supposed to happen?04:16
mptmatsubara, 129942 is critical because Mark needs it. I'll do it tomorrow.04:16
mpt141614 I don't know how to fix, except that reverting 2007-09-privates probably would do it04:16
matsubaracprov: thank you04:17
mptso I'll get Brilliant onto it if I can get in touch with them in the next day, otherwise I will revert04:17
sinzuisalgado: it is a duplicate of bug 14159704:17
ubotuLaunchpad bug 141597 in malone "bug janitor expires bug reports that should remain open." [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141597 - Assigned to Curtis Hovey (sinzui-is)04:17
salgadosinzui, s/salgado/matsubara/?04:17
sinzuimy applogies04:18
matsubarahello ddaa 04:18
matsubarasinzui: please mark it as a dupe then04:18
ddaamatsubara: ?04:18
matsubaraddaa: just joking. it seems that sinzui can tell me and salgado apart04:18
matsubaraddaa: like you :-)04:19
matsubarathanks mpt.04:19
matsubaraI'm done.04:19
mptok, thanks matsubara 04:19
mpt== Bug tags ==04:19
ddaaI can tell you apart IRL, it's just that I be confused by the nicknames somehow.04:19
mptThere are four proposed tags: oops-tools, librarian, foaf, and another one04:19
mptAre these all from this week?04:20
cprovmatsubara: sorry, I was distracted with a soyuz issue ... uhm, yes that fix is pending-review from kiko, I will poke him later.04:20
mptOr have they already been discussed?04:20
mrevellmpt: I believe they're new this week.04:20
flacostethey are current04:20
matsubaracprov: that's all right. if it's in the queue everything is fine. thanks04:20
mpt * oops-tools, proposed by matsubara04:21
mptBugs related to the scripts used to generate oops reports, oops.cgi and the processes related to oops in general04:21
mptThere are 7 examples that have the tag already04:21
mptActually, since neither SteveA, nor kiko, nor Rinchen are here, we're not really in a position to decide on any of these04:22
flacostethen defer04:22
mptTags deferred to next week.04:22
mpt== Operations report (mthaddon) ==04:23
mpt... Isn't here.04:23
flacostetom is also on vacation this week04:23
mptstub, do you have anything to say about operations?04:23
stubstaging is screwed atm due to unusable backups.04:23
stubfriday rollouts suck04:23
salgadostub, do we have an ETA for staging to be updated again?04:24
stubHopefully tomorrow04:24
mptok, thanks stub04:24
mptand now for an encore04:24
mpt== DBA report (stub) ==04:24
stubIf it doesn't come back tomorrow, then it is blocked on other issues being sorted.04:24
=== zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #launchpad
stubMy email is only trickling in at the moment I think due to blockage at one of my providers.04:24
stubThe postgresql crasher we had has been reported upstream and a fix apparently landed to upstream CVS. We need to get this fix onto our production systems as the current work around only makes it less likely to strike us.04:24
stubWe still have the 'syntax error' issue with the full text indexes to track down and deal with.04:24
stubstaging is dead due to unusable backups, again tsearch2 seems to be the trigger and it is possibly related to the syntax error problem.04:24
stubThe corruption I discovered on the bug table has been repaired.04:24
stubLoad is now becoming a problem, particularly noticible with the Rosetta imports and exports, so sorting out our replication is my priority now when not firefighting. Hopefully the fires will die out enough for this to happen before things fall over.04:24
stubWaiting on a go ahead to unexpire the expired bugs using sinzui's script.04:25
ubotuNew bug: #145642 in launchpad "please add +latest support to source URL" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14564204:25
sinzuiKiko wanted to review a sample of the changes. I waiting for a two-thumbs-up-thunderbirds-are-go-but-I-will-accept-a-simple-go from kiko.04:25
=== pochu [n=emilio@162.Red-88-3-52.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad
stubsounds like all04:26
=== zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"]
carlosstub: we are working on performance improvements to reduce the load caused by import/export scripts04:26
mpt== Sysadmin requests (mrevell filling in for Rinchen) ==04:27
matsubaraI thought that would be me04:27
carlosand the phase2 db changes that we are starting this cycle should also reduce that problem a bit (just to make sure you don't need to do work that maybe we fix improving our model/code)04:27
mrevellmatsubara: Please go ahead, following our earlier conversation.04:27
matsubaraanyway, if anyone has any pending RT please speak04:27
matsubaraI'll pass them on to joey.04:27
mpt28993, fixing brilliant.launchpad.net04:27
mptIt's kinda urgent now04:28
matsubaraif it needs to be solved this week, I'll try to contact elmo or kiko04:28
matsubaranoted mpt 04:28
matsubaraI'll follow up on that with kiko after the meeting.04:28
matsubaraanyone else?04:28
matsubaraok, back to you mpt 04:29
stubcarlos: We still need replication to be scalable - the imports and exports will never be free.04:29
mpt== A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) ==04:29
mrevellWith the release of Launchpad 1.1.9, I came to realise that we need a more robust way to pre-announce changes that we plan to introduce to the way Launchpad works.04:29
mrevellI'm working on a new process for announcing coming changes and, in particular, highlighting any major changes. 04:29
carlosstub: ok04:30
mrevellToday, I've posted to the launchpad-users list with my ideas for the process (subject "Announcing Coming Changes in Launchpad").04:30
Hobbseemrevell: like the mess of auto-closing bugs?04:30
mrevellPlease reply if you have a suggestion or question regarding the way I/we announce coming changes in Launchpad.04:30
mptHobbsee, exactly.04:30
ubotuNew bug: #145647 in launchpad "OOPS-635EC98 on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14564704:30
danilosHobbsee: you are making sinzui hurt04:30
mrevellHobbsee: Well, that's certainly a feature that would get special attention under the new process04:30
stubcarlos: And your changes if they improve throughput might increase load, making replication more of an issue04:30
mrevellSorry, I shouldn't say I've posted with my ideas for the process, I've posted to start discussiokn04:31
sinzuidanilos: Hobbsee: my self-esteem is so low right now I'm living on sarcasm.04:31
Hobbseemrevell: although sometimes, even though we knew about the auto-bug closing, we didnt know that it would do it for bugs that had been commented on in the last 60 days too.04:31
mrevellanyway, looking forward to hearing what people have to say04:31
=== Hobbsee gives sinzui a virtual hug
mrevellHobbsee: I see, right. Well, there are definitely lessons to be learned and we will learn them :)04:31
mptHobbsee, to be fair, nobody knew that. That was a bug.04:31
Hobbseempt: ah right04:31
mrevellmpt thanks, back to you boss.04:31
mptWait, I'm your boss now? You're confusing me04:31
Hobbseeoh, and related to that....please do *NOT* release on a friday!!!!  Especially when we're not in hte middle of a ubuntu freeze!!!04:32
carlosstub: maybe :-)04:32
mpt== Importance for bugs related to missing/failing tests - flacoste ==04:32
jskHobbsee: +104:32
mrevellmpt: boss of the meeting04:32
flacosteWhile triaging bugs I found many bugs for "missing/disabled" tests.04:32
flacosteMost of these bugs didn't have a priority set or it was Low/Medium.04:32
flacosteThis doesn't seem right to me and I'd like us to define a policy for such04:32
flacosteI'll take it to the list for further discussion.04:32
sinzuiHobbsee: yes, we voilated warsaws laws, and paid the pentality04:32
Hobbseeplease do not introduce the possibility of screwing over ubuntu work, unless you are willing to stick around on teh weekend and fix any breakage.04:32
flacosteback to our host, mpt04:32
Hobbseeor phear the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :P04:33
mptthanks flacoste 04:33
Hobbseesinzui: yes...04:33
mptWhich, I think, leaves us only with04:33
mpt== Blockers ==04:33
mptTeam leads, please report04:34
flacosteFoundations Team: not blocked04:34
mrevellRELEASES TEAM: mpt blocked on RT request 28993 regarding replacing brilliant.launchpad.net. Matsubara to chase IS.04:34
barrysinzui: warsaw's 2nd law to be precise :)04:34
jtvTranslations Team: not blocked04:34
bigjoolsSoyuz Team: not blocked04:34
adeuringHWDB Team: not blocked04:34
BjornTBugs: kiko to give sinzui the go-ahead to revert the expiring of bugs04:34
ddaaCode Team: not blocked04:35
statikcollaborative commerce: not blocked04:35
mptThat everyone?04:36
flacostemissing the swat team04:36
mptlooks like it04:36
mptah yes04:36
mptSpecial Ops team, come in please04:36
flacosteSteveA is not here04:37
flacostejamesh, stub?04:37
stubNot blocked04:37
jameshnot blocked either04:37
stubSC: not blocked04:37
mptok, excellent04:37
mptAnd that brings another Launchpad development meeting to a close04:38
flacostethanks mpt!04:38
mptthank you everyone04:38
barrythanks mpt04:38
mwhthanks mpt04:38
mrevellthanks mpt04:38
jskmpt: cheers ;)04:38
statikthanks mpt04:38
gmbthanks mpt04:39
gmbSomeone get him some flowers or something...04:39
=== mdz_ [n=mdz@] has joined #launchpad
stubAnyone send me anything urgent since I haven't seen your emails?04:41
Hobbseesinzui: you're the auto-closing bug man, i take it?04:45
sinzuiHobbsee: I am cause of the conflagration.04:47
Hobbseesinzui: i wasnt going to particularly roast you over it, dont worry04:48
Hobbseesinzui: i've had a thought, though.  we often get users who will give us the required information, yet wont reset the status of the bug.  when the auto-closing was put in, i'd expected it to become more like the answers section - a button for "i've provided the required info" which resets the status, and another for "i'm adding a comment which isnt the info which is being asked for".04:49
Hobbsee(in proper LPesque)04:49
=== PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #launchpad
Hobbseesinzui: were there plans to implement that?04:49
sinzuiHobbsee: that has been discussed in more than one bug04:50
Hobbseesinzui: right.  i havent looked it up.04:51
Hobbseewhat was the outcome?04:51
sinzuiHobbsee: I believe the general issue with is is that bug status are meant to be a forward path to Fix Released, Wont Fix, or Invalid. Bug statuses should not go backwards.04:52
sinzuiHobbsee: So the button is really a worflow operation. 04:52
Hobbseesinzui: which requires that a developer, or someone else, actually gets to the bug to mark it as confirmed, by the required time.04:52
Hobbseesinzui: my problem basically is bugs that we ask for info on, they respond, but we dont get back to in time - and they die.04:53
Hobbseesinzui: really, i'd like to split the bugs into "they've given us the required info - set it back to the previous until i set it something else", or "they havent provided info.  kill it."04:53
sinzuiHobbsee: It is clear that many, (I'd guess 20%) of users believe that Incomplete can mean 'I'm blocked, I need more information'. That is a separate, and I think valid issue.04:54
Hobbseewhat's incomplete supposed to mean then?04:54
Hobbsee"this is missing information"04:54
Hobbsee"i dont have enough info to solve your problem.  i need x,y, and z"04:54
sinzuiHobbsee: The path is New -> (Incomplete) -> Confirmed. Incomplete is an extra step to get it to confirmed.04:55
Hobbseesinzui: indeed, but the problme is, the reporters arent marking them as confirmed when they get the info.04:55
sinzuiIncomplete meas that their is not enough information to identify the report as a bug04:55
lamontHobbsee: the reporter shouldn't be marking it confirmed04:56
Hobbseesinzui: they put the info, and dont change the status (and the fact that the LP UI is horrid (sorry, mpt) for those who havent seen it before, to attempt to change statuses doesnt help with that)04:56
Hobbseelamont: then it relies on a triager, or a dev to get back to it within 60 days - and that's dangerous.04:56
lamontor should they?04:56
lamontcould they move it back to 'New'?04:56
Hobbseelamont: because a whole subset of the packages with large bugs in main dont really have paid devs to deal with them, and so they move very slowly.04:56
Hobbseelamont: i'm thinking they should move back to new, or whatever they were before.04:57
lamontI like that answer04:57
Hobbseelamont: this is talking about hte real world - not the ideal case.04:57
=== lamont has always read "confirmed" as "someone officially labeled 'competent' agrees that this is a bug."
Hobbseei think sinzui is dealing with the ideal case here - that someone will always look at the bugs quickly, when more info has been provided.04:58
sinzuiHobbsee: That does happen, I found a few examples in my review. But comment activity will alleviate much of that. I think we should start this feature at 60 days without comments...send a warning. 30 days later expire it04:58
=== bac [n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac] has joined #launchpad
Hobbseesinzui: the other problem is that people tend to ignore needsinfo bugs, as they still need info.04:58
Hobbseealthough i think this may have been helped with the new 1.1.9, with the new statuses04:59
Hobbseein the search04:59
=== charliecb [n=cb@p54BDAFBD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #launchpad
sinzuiHobbsee: that is why the warning will be helpful. bug 14160404:59
ubotuLaunchpad bug 141604 in malone "Expiration janitor should put an expiration notice on bug page" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141604 - Assigned to Curtis Hovey (sinzui-is)04:59
Hobbseesinzui: perhaps.  so we effectively get 90 days to respond, instead of 60.04:59
charliecbi have a question: when i create a new project on launchpad and upload some sourcecode, which license has this code? i didn't find an option to choose for the registered project on launchpad...05:00
sinzuiHobbsee: yep. Just sending a follow up message asking if the user is still having the problem will add 60 more days before another warning.05:01
Hobbseesinzui: works fine, assuming someone gets to it.05:01
Hobbseesinzui: seeing sa in some of the source packages i've seen, we've got bugs from *breezy* there....05:02
=== mayeco [n=mayeco@] has joined #launchpad
=== dcm_ [n=dcm@adsl-065-015-229-094.sip.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #launchpad
=== pochu [n=emilio@162.Red-88-3-52.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad
=== Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #launchpad
=== Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@ubuntu/member/gwaihir] has left #launchpad []
=== Lllama [n=Lllama@] has joined #launchpad
=== pochu [n=emilio@162.Red-88-3-52.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad
=== charliecb [n=cb@p54BDAFBD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #launchpad []
=== asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #launchpad
=== rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad
=== Lllama [n=Lllama@] has left #launchpad []
=== mdz_ [n=mdz@] has joined #launchpad
=== sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad
=== EdwinGrubbs [n=edwin@cpe-66-25-92-150.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad
=== pitoow [n=nao_@] has joined #launchpad
asachmm ... https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox <- broken ... while https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird works05:46
asacany maintenance work going on? but why would that be for firefox?05:46
gmbasac: It's not a maintenance thing. It looks like a bug.05:47
asac:( ... let me see if it still works if i disable beta05:47
Ubulettehttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox works05:47
Ubuletteso it's edge05:47
gmbOh, joy.05:47
asacmaybe its because firefox has too many bugs :-D05:48
gmbI'll file a bug report for this. Thanks for the heads-up asac, Ubulette.05:48
asacgmb: thanks for taking over ... its essential for me to work on my main package ;)05:48
asacfor now i can do 2 hour batches then ;)05:49
radixwhen you start getting an error page, you know it's time to rest your eyes and wrists ;-)05:49
gmbasac: Filed as bug 145679.05:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 145679 in launchpad "OOPS when viewing Ubuntu Firefox Source Package on Edge" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14567905:57
gmbasac: If you come across any more instances of this, please feel free to add a comment to the bug.05:57
pochuasac: it isn't blocked in the NEW queue, is it?05:59
=== gouki_ [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #launchpad
matsubaragmb, asac: I'm duping all of them against bug 145493. Please, use that one as the master bug06:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 145493 in soyuz "Source package page oopses on edge" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14549306:00
gmbThanks matsubara.06:00
ubotuNew bug: #145679 in launchpad "OOPS when viewing Ubuntu Firefox Source Package on Edge (dup-of: 145493)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14567906:01
asacgmb: ok ... let me subscribe06:01
matsubaraasac, gmb: I believe Mark fixed it in r493406:01
asacany eta for roll-out?06:02
matsubaraasac: the issue seems to affect only edge. next rollout will be tomorrow morning (~5utc)06:03
matsubaraworkaround is to use launchpad.net06:04
asactoday 2 hours are enough for ffox work06:04
=== gouki_ is now known as gouki
=== phanatic [n=phanatic@dsl5402BAFE.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #launchpad
=== pitoow [n=nao_@] has joined #launchpad
=== phanatic_ [n=phanatic@dsl5402BA8B.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #launchpad
=== norsetto [n=Cesare@] has joined #launchpad
norsettocprov: you may know. what should I do to get my ubuntu.com address working?06:31
cprovnorsetto: I don't know what's the current procedure to do so, maybe talk to elmo.06:32
norsettoelmo: James? Do you know?06:32
elmonorsetto: what's your LP ID?06:33
norsettoelmo: norsetto06:33
=== matsubara is now known as matsubara-lunch
=== flacoste is now known as flacoste_lunch
=== lbm [n=lbm@0x555373ab.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #launchpad
norsetto* cough * 07:00
norsettoanyone has a fisherman?07:01
=== sinzui [n=sinzui@pool-70-17-91-59.res.east.verizon.net] has left #launchpad []
=== jkakar [n=jkakar@204-174-36-45.dhcp802.dsl.ucc-net.ca] has joined #launchpad
elmonorsetto: should be fixed now07:15
norsettoelmo: much obliged07:15
=== cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad
=== norsetto [n=Cesare@] has left #launchpad ["g'bye]
=== matsubara-lunch is now known as matsubara
=== hexmode [n=user@] has joined #launchpad
ubotuNew bug: #145719 in soyuz "please strip signature from ppa changes announce mail to prevent uploads to real archive" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14571907:46
=== flacoste_lunch is now known as flacoste
=== bigjools-afk [n=ed@82-71-93-254.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #launchpad
=== bac_ [n=bac@cpe-065-190-191-245.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad
jnthnjngI'm curious -- can I satisfy dependencies in my PPA builds from the backports repositories?  or is it only possible to satisfy dependencies from main, universe and multiverse?08:07
=== bigjools [n=ed@canonical/launchpad/bigjools] has joined #launchpad
kikojnthnjng, currently, only from main, universe and multiverse08:07
jnthnjngkiko: thanks.  Is there any plan to allow backports in the future, or not?08:08
kikojnthnjng, there's a plan to allow depending on other archives, yes.08:08
=== phanatic_ [n=phanatic@dsl54028295.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #launchpad
jnthnjngok, cool.  Thanks.08:09
=== Martinp23 [n=martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #launchpad
=== blueyed [n=daniel@i5387E810.versanet.de] has joined #launchpad
pwnguindo build depends often make it into -backports?08:11
jnthnjngpwnguin: good point.  I was thinking about backporting git-buildpackage which has a dependency on a git from feisty backports, but it's not a build-dep now that I think about it.08:13
=== fernando1 [i=fernando@gateway/tor/x-af2762208419ecd9] has joined #launchpad
pwnguini think you CAN build dep on other packages in your ppa08:15
kikoright -- only in your own PPA.08:16
=== yeager [n=yeager@ubuntu/member/yeager] has joined #launchpad
=== Kmos [n=gothicx@unaffiliated/kmos] has joined #launchpad
=== Martinp24 [n=martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #launchpad
=== dcm_ [n=dcm@] has joined #launchpad
=== PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #launchpad
=== effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad
=== tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad
=== superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #launchpad
ubotuNew bug: #145746 in launchpad "Upgrade to zope 3.3.1" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14574609:01
=== effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad
=== tck [n=tck@A-78-101.cust.iol.ie] has joined #launchpad
statikEdwinGrubbs: hi09:59
EdwinGrubbsstatik: hey09:59
statikEdwinGrubbs: oh sorry, wrong channel/server10:00
=== Arkard [n=Arkard@28-80-62-200.enitel.net.ni] has joined #launchpad
ArkardHi to everyone10:25
=== Ubulette_ [n=Ubulette@APuteaux-153-1-81-1.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #launchpad
=== glatzor [n=renate@p54975383.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #launchpad
Arkardis someone here?10:26
glatzorhello how often are the ppa's upload queues refreshed?10:26
ArkardDunno, daily suppose10:27
glatzorI uploaded a source package some hours ago and haven't yet recieved a failure or success note10:27
Arkardi there any admin here, i need to ask him something10:27
kikoglatzor, that's very unusual. 10:27
=== thumper [n=tim@125-236-193-95.adsl.xtra.co.nz] has joined #launchpad
kikoArkard, I'm an admin!10:28
ArkardHi, how are you?10:28
Arkardis just that i need some information10:28
kikoI'm suffering from DNS timeouts. apart from that I'm okay.10:28
kikosure, ask away.10:28
Arkardi want to be an Ambassador of Kubuntu in Nicaragua10:28
Arkardhow can i do that?10:28
kikoArkard, I'm curious: why do you think #launchpad is the right place to ask about that?10:29
Arkardbecause i jsut registered in launchpad as part of the Ubuntu Ambassadors team10:30
glatzorArkard: you have to set up a l10n team for Nicaraua and the community council will make it an official team10:30
Arkardwhat is a |10n?10:31
Arkardcan you help me glatzor?10:31
ArkardSorry my bad English im not perfect T_T10:31
pwnguinArkard: l10n is "localization"10:32
kikoArkard, launchpad just hosts the team for kubuntu. we don't have anything to do with kubuntu's structure itself :)10:32
pwnguinArkard: it's translating strings and related work for a regional group of people10:32
Arkardi see10:33
glatzorArkard: sorry, I meant loco team10:33
kikoRiddell, where should Arkard ask about that?10:33
Arkardyeah, all help is welcome :D10:33
Arkardlet me see glatzor :D10:34
glatzorkiko: could you check where my uploads ended? I uploaded a displayconfig-gtk 0.3 package into my ppa (glatzor) and the one of the displayconfig-gtk team10:34
Arkardi really wish to be the oficial representant of Kubuntu in Nicaragua :D10:34
kikoglatzor, not really. did your source package at least show up?10:36
glatzorppa.launchpad.net/glatzor does not even exist10:36
Arkardglatzor, there is an Ubuntu team in Nicaragua, is there a problem?10:37
glatzorArkard: if you are not involved in yet, I would say yes :)10:37
=== Ubulette_ is now known as Ubulette
=== WebMaven [n=webmaven@c-24-218-183-144.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad
pwnguinArkard: there's already a team you can join...10:42
Arkardbut they are Ubuntu, and i want to cover exactly Kubuntu, will be that a Problem?10:45
pwnguinyou know, i havent thought about it, but id wager the LoCo teams cover both ubuntu and kubuntu interested people10:49
=== AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host72-133-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #launchpad
pwnguinanyways, the most important thing to take from this is that launchpad is seperate from Ubuntu. there are more appropriate places to ask ubuntu related questions10:50
=== [1] Arkard [n=Arkard@28-80-62-200.enitel.net.ni] has joined #launchpad
=== [1] Arkard [n=Arkard@28-80-62-200.enitel.net.ni] has left #launchpad []
glatzorkiko: who could help me with the ppa issue?10:55
=== mikeos [n=mikeos@40.39.broadband7.iol.cz] has joined #launchpad
kikoglatzor, uhh, have you activated your PPA?11:03
glatzorkiko: for sure11:03
glatzor[my-ppa] 11:03
glatzorfqdn = ppa.launchpad.net11:03
glatzormethod = ftp11:03
glatzorincoming = ~glatzor/ubuntu/11:03
glatzorlogin = anonymous11:03
glatzorallow_unsigned_uploads = 011:03
=== Spads [n=spacehob@host-87-74-18-7.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #launchpad
glatzorthis is my dput configuration11:04
kikothat is strange.11:04
kikocprov-afk, any clue?11:04
kikoglatzor, it's very likely that you are uploading a package with a broken .dsc or .changes file.11:04
kikoand in broken I mean "non-conforming"11:05
kikoglatzor, is your GPG key uploaded to launchpad? is it the same GPG key you used to sign your upload?11:05
=== nao_ [n=nao_@201-24-90-2.fnsce702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #launchpad
kikoglatzor, and are you sure? :)11:05
glatzorkiko: ok, I am a fool. The gnupg key was outdated :/11:07
kikoglatzor, the reason you don't get email is that we have no way of knowing what your email address is from the missing key :)11:07
=== sam008 [n=kumar@] has joined #launchpad
Kmosi'm getting an OOPS here11:18
kikoKmos, it's a bug.11:19
kikoI'll report it 11:19
Kmoskiko: ok, thx11:21
=== lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #launchpad
matsubarait's already reported and fix committed11:24
matsubaraKmos, kiko: bug 14549311:25
ubotuLaunchpad bug 145493 in soyuz "Source package page oopses on edge" [Critical,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145493 - Assigned to Mark Shuttleworth (sabdfl)11:25
Kmosmatsubara: thx11:27
matsubaraKmos: np11:28
kikoKmos, doh.11:30
Kmoskiko: ?11:31
cprov-afkglatzor: is this your key "Signing key 1005044E895638A095B2B0047AE8E8AC934C22D5 not registered in launchpad." ?11:32
kikoit was already reported!11:32
Kmoskiko :)11:32
glatzorcprov-afk: yes11:32
kikocprov-afk, could we perchance look the key up in the keyserver and if there is an email address, email the failure to that person?11:32
cprov-afkkiko: in this case, it's not even in the keyserver. 11:33
cprov-afkkiko: but we could.11:34
kikocprov-afk, is there anything in his upload that could suggest to us he owned it? maintainer, changed-by, etc?11:34
cprov-afkkiko: don't know, nascentupload gives up very early when it can't verify the key using insecure policy11:35
kikoyeah I know11:35
kikobut it's annoying that we don't give /any/ feedback.11:35
kikocprov-afk, hmmm. could we get /poppy/ to look the key up and fail?11:35
kikoi.e. the user's upload would fail if the key wasn't in LP.11:35
kikothat way he'd get notified immediately.11:36
cprov-afkkiko: FTP doesn't seem to be a good transport to implement it, don't you think ?11:36
glatzorkiko: how long does an average build take before it gets performed?11:36
cprov-afkkiko: I have to go now, I will call you tonight to chat more about this idea.11:37
cprov-afkglatzor: not more than 20 minutes.11:37
kikocprov-out, can we not give failure to upload somehow in FTP?11:39
elmokiko: you can, but I'm not sure it's a good idea11:42
elmokiko: it's a massive change in API for rejections11:42
kikoelmo, the problem is that we have no other way of giving the user feedback in the case of an invalid or unregistered key, AFAICS.11:43
elmokiko: and I'd bet large sums of money there'll be tools (dput, dupload, or higher level) not expecting it that'll break11:43
=== Etapien [i=darn@] has joined #launchpad
=== pitoow [n=nao_@201-24-90-2.fnsce702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #launchpad
elmokiko: hmm11:43
kikoelmo, do you have any ideas on how we could solve this? it's tricky11:43
kikothe user signs a package and uploads it. I don't think there's anything in .changes or the .dsc which necessarily identifies him 11:44
elmomaybe you're right - I don't see a good alternative in this one specific case11:44
kiko(for instance, a sponsored upload)11:44
elmokiko: well the reason we don't mail them is because we can't trust an unsigned upload, so it's anti-abuse mechanism11:44
kikoso the only thing we have going for us here is the key11:44
elmo(at least that's why I did it that way in DAK)11:44
kikoelmo, who could we mail even if we ignored the abuse angle? is it guaranteed that he'd be identified in one of the files?11:44
elmonot reliably no, especially not for PPA11:45
pwnguinthe uploader?11:45
elmoyou could use the primary uid of the key, but that's problematic in other ways11:45
pwnguinnot with login=anonymous11:45
kikoelmo, and in some cases the key doesn't even exist in a public keyserver11:46
kikoelmo, and then the user comes in to #launchpad and says "waaah". at which point we have to look at the server logs. :)11:46
elmokiko: heh, right, so that makes it pretty useless11:46
kikoelmo, crazy idea: maybe we could make part of the upload logs public?11:46
elmokiko: yeah, ok, so ignore me, unfortunately you're right, it's really the only way to deal with it11:47
elmokiko: that'll break as soon as we try to do security-in-soyuz11:47
elmoor commercial PPAs or whatever.  well it'll either break or you'll need a second queue, and that's vulnerable to people getting the wrong queue and more overhead etc.11:47
kikoelmo, well, just a log of failures, i.e. "Upload at 2009-02-01 12:11:22.011 UTC failed: public key XXX not found"11:47
elmokiko: oh, yeah, that'd be fine11:48
elmokiko: TBH, I think you'd be best off doing both11:48
kikoI'm thinking how we'd do that, though11:48
elmothen if users are using tools which are too fire and forget and don't expose the ftp error to them, they can still find out if they ask without the need for an admin11:48
kikoelmo, well, how do we advertise the existence of said log? :)11:49
kikowe'd still get support overhead I think11:49
elmoPPA FAQ and other similar docs?11:49
kikoyeah, I guess you're right.11:49
kikoI'll file a pair of bugs. thanks for the discussion, elmo.11:49
=== sam008 [n=kumar@] has left #launchpad []
=== gmb [n=gmb@] has joined #launchpad
=== jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-213-76.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad
ubotuNew bug: #145849 in soyuz "Uploads with unrecognized keys should be publically logged" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14584912:45

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!