[01:05] Hey... [01:05] "Poll" - how should the date & time be added? === popey pokes kiko [01:27] any lp admins about, we need a poll deleting === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-117-178.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad === spiv [n=andrew@86.228.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad === danilo__ [n=danilo@adsl-236-193.eunet.yu] has joined #launchpad === kiko [n=kiko@canonical/launchpad/pdpc.supporter.active.kiko] has joined #launchpad [02:07] kiko: ping === Philip5 [n=Philip@c83-253-56-100.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #launchpad [02:14] can anyone tell me: who is allowed to add download files for a project? [02:17] Daviey, pong [02:17] poolie__, only project owners, I believe. [02:17] kiko: Can you remove a poll from a team? [02:17] Daviey, you'll need to ask for support, above, because that needs DBA intervention. [02:17] kiko, i think this person (bialix) is a member of the ~bzr [02:18] group === merriam_ [n=merriam@85-211-21-215.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [02:18] poolie, and he can't see the link, or..? [02:18] kiko: raise a Q @ https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad ? [02:20] kiko, he gets https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/145416 [02:20] Launchpad bug 145416 in launchpad "Who's allowed to add download files?" [Undecided,New] [02:21] Daviey, yes, exactly. [02:21] poolie, that sounds like a question, not a bug? [02:23] i can change it to an assertion [02:23] doen [02:23] kiko: done, thanks [02:25] kiko, the bug is "it's not clear who's allowed to download files" [02:25] but i guess i should also file a question [02:25] Daviey, thanks. [02:26] poolie, ah, one thing. [02:26] poolie, it is actually possible that the registrant of the series or release is the one allowed. [02:28] ok [02:28] that might explain it [02:28] i'm not sure that's the best behaviour though [02:29] i'd like to let port maintainers upload their work directly [02:29] is fix-it-friday still running? [02:30] Goooooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! [02:30] New bug: #145416 in launchpad "It is not clear who is allowed to add download files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145416 [02:30] poolie, it sounds like an ugly bug in fact [02:30] but I am pulling a branch to find out. [02:30] kiko, it's not super urgent [02:30] just surprising [02:31] i can upload for him [02:31] hello mpt! === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #launchpad [02:31] hey mpt [02:45] i'm trying to add a comment on https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/14071 [02:45] and it just stalls - no timeout error [02:46] poolie, can you leave it to timeout? [02:46] I have seen this happen before [02:46] but it was a backend crash [02:46] sorry, i closed the window [02:46] it was stalled for more than 2 minutes [02:55] New bug: #145420 in launchpad "Final batches of 1~2 items are annoying" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145420 === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad [03:01] New bug: #145423 in launchpad "fmt:link shouldn't link to the same page" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145423 [03:20] New bug: #145428 in soyuz "Source package page looks like a discussion" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145428 [03:26] thanks kiko! [03:26] you're welcome poolie === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.8.124.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === jml_ [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad [03:54] should i be concerned if uploading a .dsc is taking forever? === tck [n=tck@A-78-101.cust.iol.ie] has joined #launchpad [04:21] how do i make a team? [04:26] same way you made your personal account iirc === DrSmall [n=Dr@70-41-140-16.cust.wildblue.net] has joined #launchpad === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad [04:31] gnomefreak, i have it, it's in the dropdown menu from the top bar [04:31] gnomefreak, i made my account through the login/register window [04:31] which is much more easily reached [04:31] anyhow it's bug 102361 [04:31] Launchpad bug 102361 in launchpad "It's not obvious how to register a team" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/102361 [04:37] i see, we did lose the teams/people page or atleast there is no link for it [04:37] goes to read bug [04:38] problem is the way to get dropdown from home is to click on home than it just reloads launchpad.net so you cant click on the menu items (atleast here) [04:42] gnomefreak, if i hover the mouse over it for a couple of seconds then the menu pops down and i can click things [04:42] but it's a bit tricky [04:43] It is very hard to find https://help.launchpad.net/UsingMaloneEmail on help.launchpad.net === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad [04:50] spiv: easy via google === mayeco [n=mayeco@201.218.105.31] has joined #launchpad === stu1 is now known as stub === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #launchpad === jml_ [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === Martinp23 [n=martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #launchpad === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #launchpad === tonyy is now known as tonyyarusso === ddaa [n=ddaa@canonical/launchpad/ddaa] has joined #launchpad [08:15] New bug: #145472 in launchpad "Acer Aspire 5050 - Sound doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145472 === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #launchpad [08:22] hey uh, do ppas actually have source repos? [08:23] http://ppa.launchpad.net/jldugger/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/restricted/source/ [08:24] hah, wrong repo === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #launchpad === thumper [n=tim@125-236-193-95.adsl.xtra.co.nz] has joined #launchpad === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #launchpad [09:25] I will give a chocolate fish to the person who figures out why so many people ask Ubuntu-related questions at http://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad instead of http://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu [09:26] mpt: because launchpad is the ubuntu bugtracker. [09:26] mpt: that's what's on all the information [09:26] mpt: ie, so the bugtracker must be called "launchpad" - they dont get projects. [09:27] "oh, i have to ask my question on launchpad. this says launchpad. this must be right" [09:27] same reason they report Ubuntu bugs as Launchpad bugs, like bug #145472 [09:27] Hobbsee, that's just the thing. We worked hard to eliminate old links to , and now people *don't* report Ubuntu bugs against the Launchpad project(s) any more. [09:28] Launchpad bug 145472 in launchpad "Acer Aspire 5050 - Sound doesn't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145472 [09:28] but they *do* ask Ubuntu questions, and that's what baffles me. [09:28] Where by "don't" I mean "hardly ever" :-P [09:28] mpt: the documentation probably points them without the ubuntu on the end? [09:28] and probably because LP is still difficult to use, if you've not seen it before [09:29] What documentation? Something in Ubuntu Help? Something on the wiki? Something in Launchpad itself? [09:29] Sure, I know Launchpad is difficult to use. I mean, specifically. [09:29] i'd guess ubuntu help & wiki [09:29] There is some misleading link, or misleading field, somewhere [09:29] mpt: we're still getting people going "oh, i cant find package X in launcphad - it says it doesnt use this to track it's bugs. this cant be right. help, i'm lost!" [09:29] probably [09:30] as hard to use as launchpad may or may not be [09:30] Yes, (I'm almost certain) I know why *that* problem exists -- it's because we have something that looks like a search field that searches only projects, not packages [09:30] its better than the alternatives =/ [09:30] But that's a separate problem. === Hobbsee looks around [09:30] pwnguin: that's true. although i like kde's bugzilla in some ways [09:31] ultimately i think its a branding issue [09:31] ubuntu.com is pointing to the right page [09:32] might be from the forums [09:32] if people start using say bugs.ubuntu.com instead of "launchpad" [09:32] in ubuntu [09:34] Hmm, our refer[r] er logs might contain the answer [09:35] mpt: uh, yeah. [09:35] mpt: i thougth you'd have checked that, before asking :) [09:36] pwnguin: on the release notes and such, it's "The ubuntu bugtracker" [09:37] how the heck DO they do that? [09:38] it takes some effort to report against LP itself =/ [09:39] pwnguin: never underestimate the power of clueless people. [09:39] AHEM. did i say that? [09:39] i must have been working too much [09:40] mpt: considered asking him when you close the bug? [09:44] This is not about bugs [09:44] The equivalent problem for bugs is now (almost completely) solved [09:44] This is about questions. [09:44] urgh, I can't open source package pages any more [09:47] Ah, it's an edge-only problem [09:55] New bug: #145493 in soyuz "Source package page oopses on edge" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145493 [09:59] mpt: oh yay, you saw my bug :) [09:59] hmm? [10:01] mpt: the versions/maintainer/etc panel on launchpad [10:03] oh, in bug pages [10:03] yes [10:03] It's awkward, because we're also trying to make the bug pages less context-specific [10:04] (so that the same bug doesn't end up in Google umpteen times) === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad [10:05] And that box was the one big context-specific thing. [10:05] The one big thing about the bug page (apart from the headings) that was different from context to context. === intellectronica [i=intellec@nat/canonical/x-c4e88da6e95f6456] has joined #launchpad === mrevell [n=matthew@canonical/launchpad/mrevell] has joined #launchpad [10:11] Hey, are you LP admins around with DB acess? === poolie [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === gmb [i=gmb@nat/canonical/x-41ab0a537b70cbc6] has joined #launchpad === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #launchpad === lionel [n=lionel@ip-149.net-89-3-208.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #launchpad === nomad_ [n=nomad@87.252.246.115] has joined #launchpad [10:22] schwuk: Do you have DB access to LP? [10:23] Daviey: Not directly. [10:23] poop... i need a Poll removed :( === allenap [i=allenap@nat/canonical/x-995c3c6f7708c1d4] has joined #launchpad [10:28] file a Question, i think [10:28] mwh: done :) [10:28] k === fabbione [n=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #launchpad === bigjools-afk [n=ed@82-71-93-254.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === yeager [n=yeager@ubuntu/member/yeager] has joined #launchpad === [Jerry_Teps] [i=Jerry@C-61-68-3-107.hay.connect.net.au] has joined #launchpad === Philip5 [n=Philip@c83-253-56-100.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #launchpad === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #launchpad === mdz_ [n=mdz@87.254.91.171] has joined #launchpad === Balaams_Miracle [n=balaam@g175073.upc-g.chello.nl] has joined #launchpad === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #launchpad === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #launchpad === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has left #launchpad ["Saindo"] === rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad === mdz_ [n=mdz@87.254.91.171] has joined #launchpad === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #launchpad === xhaker [n=xhaker@di19.di.fct.unl.pt] has joined #launchpad === Mez_ [n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad [01:08] carlos, 9 days for rosetta .po import. Will it make it before the final langpack is created? :P [01:09] I hope it :-( [01:09] we are planning a workaround to get this complete as soon as possible [01:10] oh man, I wish I just used the batch option and translated this in rosetta instead of uploading the po file [01:14] carlos, still no langpack this week :( [01:15] well, it's planned to be done today or tomorrow [01:15] with beta release, the archive was closed [01:16] yeah === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200.140.230.150] has joined #launchpad === bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #launchpad === bluekuja [n=andrea@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has joined #launchpad [02:03] what is implied by marking a LP project as inactive? does it disappear? === matsubara [n=matsubar@canonical/launchpad/matsubara] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === hexmode [n=user@24.115.83.248.res-cmts.eph.ptd.net] has joined #launchpad === WebMaven [n=webmaven@c-24-218-183-144.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad === Spads [i=spacehob@nat/canonical/x-4296768278cf4e6a] has joined #launchpad [02:35] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~hexmode/+junk/i2ce-debian ... Doesn't seem to be mirroring [02:35] the problem was fixed === salgado [n=salgado@canonical/launchpad/salgado] has joined #launchpad === allenap [i=allenap@nat/canonical/x-3b529ffea56013a2] has joined #launchpad === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable040.144-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@87.16.133.72] has joined #launchpad === sinzui [n=sinzui@pool-70-17-91-59.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #launchpad === bac [n=bac@canonical/launchpad/bac] has joined #launchpad [03:35] New bug: #145624 in malone "Malone footer text partly non-clickable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145624 [03:41] New bug: #145626 in malone "Malone milestone lists shows last bug twice" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145626 === adeuring [n=abel@Fc1c3.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #launchpad === jtv [n=jtv@125-24-90-248.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #launchpad === matsubara [n=matsubar@canonical/launchpad/matsubara] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@125-24-90-248.adsl.totbb.net] has joined #launchpad === danilo__ is now known as danilos === jsk [i=jonathan@nat/canonical/x-947eb83ed00e546f] has joined #launchpad === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad [03:58] me [03:59] hey there stub, what's the weather like this time of year? === sinzui rushes off for coffee === mwh [n=mwh@62-31-157-102.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [04:00] me [04:00] me === bigjools-afk is now known as bigjools === lakin [n=lakin@68.147.57.160] has joined #launchpad [04:00] SteveA is not going to be around today, right? [04:00] right [04:01] is mpt going to chair the meeting, then? [04:01] isn't kiko our leader today? [04:01] maybe. I don't remember [04:01] That's the idea, yes. [04:02] kiko? [04:02] me [04:03] we're calling him. he's not working from the office today === jtv imitates the whistle of a bicycle geekette in heat [04:03] salgado: I'm not around today [04:03] sweet fancy moses I just saw a ghost [04:04] mpt: would you chair today's meeting please? [04:04] ok [04:04] MEETING TIME [04:04] For the next I-don't-know-how-many minutes, we'll be discussing Launchpad development. [04:04] allenap just said "me" out loud. [04:04] Who is here today? [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] gmb: lol [04:05] me [04:05] me [04:05] me [04:05] meme [04:05] er, me [04:05] We're spreading memes [04:05] me [04:05] mwh seems to be late, he went out to collect his fixed laptop [04:06] ok [04:06] team leads, please check the presence of your colleagues [04:06] == Agenda == [04:06] Trying to get to carlos... [04:06] * Next meeting [04:06] * Actions from last meeting [04:06] * Oops report (Matsubara) [04:06] * Critical Bugs (Rinchen) [04:06] * Bug tags [04:06] * Operations report (mthaddon) [04:06] * DBA report (stub) [04:06] * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen) [04:06] a belated me [04:06] * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [04:06] * Poll: who has read the "critical situations" policy - SteveA === schwuk was distracted [04:07] * Importance for bugs related to missing/failing tests - flacoste [04:07] me [04:07] * Blockers [04:07] mpt: I think the poll is from the last week meeting [04:07] At this point I should apologize for not having published the notes from the last two weeks' meetings yet [04:07] here now [04:07] so the agenda is probably out of date [04:07] If you have any subtractions or additions to make, please /msg me [04:08] mpt: poll was done last week, iirc. [04:08] ok. [04:08] == Apologies == [04:08] me [04:08] "yes, i read it, and it was interesting, thrilling even." or something [04:08] gripping, I believe [04:08] as in "I apologise for not being here today" [04:08] ah, gripping. that's it. [04:08] still is thrilling. i read it daily === SteveA disappears again [04:08] It appears that most of the apologies are out of date [04:09] ah, and mwh is here now [04:09] so, all the apologies are from previous weeks [04:09] ok, moving on [04:09] == Actions from last meeting == [04:09] Rinchen and thumper are on vacation this week [04:09] * matsubara to get feedback from team leads about any security concerns in giving them access to the shared staging mailbox (unfinished from last week) [04:09] That smells old. Is it? [04:09] that's also old stuff [04:09] ok [04:09] we've done that *twice* [04:09] no others [04:09] that is so 2007 [04:09] it's old mpt [04:09] == Oops report == [04:10] (matsubara) [04:10] Today's oops report is about bugs 132270 [04:10] Bug 132270 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/132270 is private [04:10] jamesh, news about #132270? It's been happening for quite some time now. [04:10] dear launchpad: I want to have https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postfix/+latest go to the right place [04:10] mpt: that's old, we've had an OOPS report last week [04:10] danilos, nice try === lamont should file a bug, I guess. [04:11] BjornT: Any news on my vanishing emails ? [04:11] jamesh: ? [04:11] matsubara: I haven't done a fix for that. Has it been happening in production? [04:11] lamont: yes, please. [04:11] jamesh: yes [04:11] (sorry, was waiting for the bug page to load) [04:11] iwj: no, not yet [04:12] BjornT: Hmm. There doesn't seem to be much point me turning the package tester back on until the emails are going to have some effect ... [04:13] jamesh: it's been triggered 6 times since last week. [04:13] matsubara: I'll have a look into it -- I think we've can handle that case with a failed assertion response rather than an OOPS [04:13] (I wonder if that bug needs to be private still?) [04:14] jamesh: it's private because it deals with the SSO stuff. up to you to make it public [04:14] me [04:14] iwj: oh, i didn't realize it was blocking you. i'll take a look at it later today/tonight [04:14] sorry, I was distracted... [04:14] ok, is that all for the oops report? [04:14] jamesh: thanks for handling that. [04:14] BjornT: Thanks. [04:15] mpt: I'm done with oops report. I'll follow on with Critical bugs [04:15] == Critical bugs (matsubara filling in for Rinchen) == [04:15] We have 3 not in progress critical bugs 129942, 141614, 141652. [04:15] Bug 129942 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/129942 is private [04:15] mpt, what's the status of #129942 (btw, that bug doesn't seem critical by DefinitionofCriticalPolicy) [04:15] #141614 is another one for you mpt. [04:15] sinzui can you check #141652? It looks like a janitor issue. [04:15] cprov, have an ETA for bug 144392? [04:15] Launchpad bug 144392 in soyuz "cron.daily dies after poppy restart because of permission problems with queue dot-lock file" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144392 - Assigned to Celso Providelo (cprov) [04:16] matsubara: it's pending review, isn't it ? [04:16] New bug: #145640 in launchpad "Got an oops looking for openoffice.org2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145640 [04:16] OOPS-635EA140 [04:16] hrm... is that supposed to happen? [04:16] matsubara, 129942 is critical because Mark needs it. I'll do it tomorrow. [04:16] 141614 I don't know how to fix, except that reverting 2007-09-privates probably would do it [04:17] cprov: thank you [04:17] so I'll get Brilliant onto it if I can get in touch with them in the next day, otherwise I will revert [04:17] salgado: it is a duplicate of bug 141597 [04:17] Launchpad bug 141597 in malone "bug janitor expires bug reports that should remain open." [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141597 - Assigned to Curtis Hovey (sinzui-is) [04:17] sinzui, s/salgado/matsubara/? [04:18] my applogies [04:18] hello ddaa [04:18] sinzui: please mark it as a dupe then [04:18] matsubara: ? [04:18] ddaa: just joking. it seems that sinzui can tell me and salgado apart [04:19] ddaa: like you :-) [04:19] thanks mpt. [04:19] I'm done. [04:19] ok, thanks matsubara [04:19] == Bug tags == [04:19] I can tell you apart IRL, it's just that I be confused by the nicknames somehow. [04:19] There are four proposed tags: oops-tools, librarian, foaf, and another one [04:20] Are these all from this week? [04:20] matsubara: sorry, I was distracted with a soyuz issue ... uhm, yes that fix is pending-review from kiko, I will poke him later. [04:20] Or have they already been discussed? [04:20] mpt: I believe they're new this week. [04:20] they are current [04:20] cprov: that's all right. if it's in the queue everything is fine. thanks [04:20] ok [04:21] * oops-tools, proposed by matsubara [04:21] +1 [04:21] Bugs related to the scripts used to generate oops reports, oops.cgi and the processes related to oops in general [04:21] There are 7 examples that have the tag already [04:22] Actually, since neither SteveA, nor kiko, nor Rinchen are here, we're not really in a position to decide on any of these [04:22] then defer [04:22] right [04:22] Tags deferred to next week. [04:23] == Operations report (mthaddon) == [04:23] ... Isn't here. [04:23] tom is also on vacation this week [04:23] stub, do you have anything to say about operations? [04:23] staging is screwed atm due to unusable backups. [04:23] friday rollouts suck [04:24] erm... [04:24] stub, do we have an ETA for staging to be updated again? [04:24] Hopefully tomorrow [04:24] ok, thanks stub [04:24] and now for an encore [04:24] == DBA report (stub) == [04:24] If it doesn't come back tomorrow, then it is blocked on other issues being sorted. === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #launchpad [04:24] My email is only trickling in at the moment I think due to blockage at one of my providers. [04:24] The postgresql crasher we had has been reported upstream and a fix apparently landed to upstream CVS. We need to get this fix onto our production systems as the current work around only makes it less likely to strike us. [04:24] We still have the 'syntax error' issue with the full text indexes to track down and deal with. [04:24] staging is dead due to unusable backups, again tsearch2 seems to be the trigger and it is possibly related to the syntax error problem. [04:24] The corruption I discovered on the bug table has been repaired. [04:24] Load is now becoming a problem, particularly noticible with the Rosetta imports and exports, so sorting out our replication is my priority now when not firefighting. Hopefully the fires will die out enough for this to happen before things fall over. [04:25] Waiting on a go ahead to unexpire the expired bugs using sinzui's script. [04:25] New bug: #145642 in launchpad "please add +latest support to source URL" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145642 [04:25] Kiko wanted to review a sample of the changes. I waiting for a two-thumbs-up-thunderbirds-are-go-but-I-will-accept-a-simple-go from kiko. === pochu [n=emilio@162.Red-88-3-52.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad [04:26] sounds like all === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] [04:26] marvellous [04:26] stub: we are working on performance improvements to reduce the load caused by import/export scripts [04:27] == Sysadmin requests (mrevell filling in for Rinchen) == [04:27] I thought that would be me [04:27] and the phase2 db changes that we are starting this cycle should also reduce that problem a bit (just to make sure you don't need to do work that maybe we fix improving our model/code) [04:27] matsubara: Please go ahead, following our earlier conversation. [04:27] anyway, if anyone has any pending RT please speak [04:27] I'll pass them on to joey. [04:27] 28993, fixing brilliant.launchpad.net [04:28] It's kinda urgent now [04:28] if it needs to be solved this week, I'll try to contact elmo or kiko [04:28] noted mpt [04:28] I'll follow up on that with kiko after the meeting. [04:28] thanks [04:28] anyone else? [04:28] 5 [04:28] 4 [04:28] 3 [04:28] 2 [04:28] 1 [04:29] ok, back to you mpt [04:29] thanks [04:29] carlos: We still need replication to be scalable - the imports and exports will never be free. [04:29] == A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) == [04:29] With the release of Launchpad 1.1.9, I came to realise that we need a more robust way to pre-announce changes that we plan to introduce to the way Launchpad works. [04:29] I'm working on a new process for announcing coming changes and, in particular, highlighting any major changes. [04:30] stub: ok [04:30] Today, I've posted to the launchpad-users list with my ideas for the process (subject "Announcing Coming Changes in Launchpad"). [04:30] mrevell: like the mess of auto-closing bugs? [04:30] Please reply if you have a suggestion or question regarding the way I/we announce coming changes in Launchpad. [04:30] Hobbsee, exactly. [04:30] New bug: #145647 in launchpad "OOPS-635EC98 on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145647 [04:30] Hobbsee: you are making sinzui hurt [04:30] Hobbsee: Well, that's certainly a feature that would get special attention under the new process [04:30] carlos: And your changes if they improve throughput might increase load, making replication more of an issue [04:31] Sorry, I shouldn't say I've posted with my ideas for the process, I've posted to start discussiokn [04:31] danilos: Hobbsee: my self-esteem is so low right now I'm living on sarcasm. [04:31] mrevell: although sometimes, even though we knew about the auto-bug closing, we didnt know that it would do it for bugs that had been commented on in the last 60 days too. [04:31] anyway, looking forward to hearing what people have to say === Hobbsee gives sinzui a virtual hug [04:31] Hobbsee: I see, right. Well, there are definitely lessons to be learned and we will learn them :) [04:31] Hobbsee, to be fair, nobody knew that. That was a bug. [04:31] mpt: ah right [04:31] mpt thanks, back to you boss. [04:31] Wait, I'm your boss now? You're confusing me [04:32] oh, and related to that....please do *NOT* release on a friday!!!! Especially when we're not in hte middle of a ubuntu freeze!!! [04:32] stub: maybe :-) [04:32] == Importance for bugs related to missing/failing tests - flacoste == [04:32] Hobbsee: +1 [04:32] mpt: boss of the meeting [04:32] While triaging bugs I found many bugs for "missing/disabled" tests. [04:32] Most of these bugs didn't have a priority set or it was Low/Medium. [04:32] This doesn't seem right to me and I'd like us to define a policy for such [04:32] bugs. [04:32] I'll take it to the list for further discussion. [04:32] Hobbsee: yes, we voilated warsaws laws, and paid the pentality [04:32] please do not introduce the possibility of screwing over ubuntu work, unless you are willing to stick around on teh weekend and fix any breakage. [04:32] back to our host, mpt [04:33] or phear the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P [04:33] thanks flacoste [04:33] sinzui: yes... [04:33] Which, I think, leaves us only with [04:33] == Blockers == [04:34] Team leads, please report [04:34] Foundations Team: not blocked [04:34] RELEASES TEAM: mpt blocked on RT request 28993 regarding replacing brilliant.launchpad.net. Matsubara to chase IS. [04:34] sinzui: warsaw's 2nd law to be precise :) [04:34] Translations Team: not blocked [04:34] Soyuz Team: not blocked [04:34]