[01:40] <jmichaelx> sorry for the very general question, but does gutsy seem to be somewhat  usable at this point?
[01:43] <kingofnic> I am working with gutsy every day and it seems quite usable for me :-)
[01:43] <Reaby> jmichaelx: many asking this today.. i've used gutsy with ease in daily basis, some upgrades has got minor fall backs, but they have been fixed less than a week, some cases in same day
[01:43] <slackern> I haven't had any problems at all for a couple of weeks that have been caused by it being under development atleast :)
[01:44] <blizzow> I have a dumb question, how can I keep a persistent hosts file and still use dhcp?
[01:44] <_dan_> no question is stupid
[01:45] <_dan_> ./etc/hosts wont get overridden bei dhcp
[01:45] <slackern> blizzow: how do you mean? your hosts file shouldn't change cause you are using dhcp to get your ip?
[01:45] <slackern> blizzow: do you mean /etc/resolv.conf for your dns servers?
[01:46] <jmichaelx> Reaby: ty much, i think i might give it a try
[01:47] <Reaby> jmichaelx: if you try, it's preferably to download daily snapshot
[01:47] <Reaby> and give a clean install
[01:47] <jmichaelx> Reaby: as opposed to an aptitude upgrade?
[01:47] <Reaby> yes
[01:47] <jmichaelx> ahh, ok
[01:47] <Reaby> it brakes system some cases to unusable
[01:48] <jmichaelx> thanks for the info
[01:48] <Reaby> yeah, np
[01:48] <Reaby> hmm.. breaks might be better english...
[01:48] <blizzow> That's what I thought, but for some reason, my hosts file keeps getting overwritten
[01:49] <slackern> blizzow: just to double check you mean /etc/hosts file?
[01:50] <blizzow> yes, the one where I can manually write out what ip address a hostname points at.
[01:50] <blizzow> Everytime I login at work, my hosts file gets overwritten.
[01:50] <blizzow> It's the only place I use dhcp.
[01:52] <slackern> blizzow: hmm odd i have 2 different DHCP servers here that i just swapped between (one small router and a linux machine running dhcp) but never got any problems like that, maybe dhcp servers has an option to send more information to hosts files and that option is enabled at your work, newer experienced it myself though
[01:55] <slackern> blizzow: only thing i was in man dhclient.conf was the option to request host-name too
[01:55] <slackern> was/saw
[01:57] <Pici> Can someone tell me if their deskbar looks like this or not: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=deskbar-search.png
[01:58] <slackern> Pici: mine opens up in a separate window now
[01:58] <Reaby> same here
[01:58] <Pici> Good.
[01:58] <Pici> I'll go bug -devel again then ;)
[02:01] <ffm> Where is the beta?
[02:01] <ffm> It is 0:01 UTC!
[02:01] <Reaby> :D
[02:01] <PriceChild> ffm, it'll be here when its ready
[02:01] <slackern> blizzow: sorry been looking around a bit but i couldn't find anything mentioned about that im afraid =/
[02:01] <PriceChild> ffm, subscribe to the ubuntu-devel list and wait
[02:03] <blizzow> no biggie, I'll do some more research into it when I'm not wicked busy.
[02:03] <branstrom> In mplayer's manual page, in the section for the -gl video mode, it mentions I should use -dr because it could provide a big speedup
[02:03] <slackern> blizzow: btw does it just clean it out and make it the default one with localhost?
[02:03] <branstrom> I don't really know what he's talking about there.
[02:03] <branstrom> Direct rendering perhaps?
[02:04] <branstrom> How do I "use -dr"?
[02:04] <branstrom> mplayer -vo gl-dr ?
[02:04] <branstrom> mplayer -vo gl -dr ?
[02:04] <blizzow> slackern: pretty much, It gets re-written with some ipv6 junk in there a localhost entry and one with my hostname.
[02:05] <slackern> blizzow: aye sound like the default one, hmm could it be that it tries to swap between different networkprofiles perhaps
[02:05] <SuperTeece> hi all
[02:06] <Reaby> yo
[02:06] <SuperTeece> is there a way to only test the gutsy network manager on a feisty system?
[02:06] <slackern> blizzow: and networkprofiles is voodoomagic for me :)
[02:23] <Xero> Is there anything special about the rt kernel besides a small speed boost?
[02:23] <Xero> Well, okay, a large speed boost, but are there any other benefits?
[02:23] <CountX> anyone get thier cam workin on www.stickam.com with linux
[02:24] <CountX> im using the VfL2 driver and it works in Ekiga, but when i try and use it on www.stickam.com all i get is my mic
[02:24] <CountX> ive already tried running firefox with sudo
[02:24] <CountX> anyone?
[02:25] <maccam94> for an issue like that, you may have better luck in #ubuntu
[02:26] <Xero> CountX, sudo firefox = bad.
[02:27] <CountX> yeah
[02:27] <CountX> i'll go bug them in regular ubuntu
[02:31] <ratpoison> hello! using gutsy amd64. Just installed kiba-dock through svn, which I had done successfully in a previous install (also, gutsy amd64) this time though, when I try to run it, I get "kiba-dock: error while loading shared libraries: libakamaru.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[02:32] <ratpoison> need help guys!
[02:32] <ratpoison> (sorry for the enter used as space)
[02:38] <gnomefreak> ratpoison: try in #ubuntu-effects
[02:40] <larson9999> my card needs the 1.9* nvidia driver.  restricted drivers manager says that's the driver it's installing but when i reboot the nvidia driver doesn't load.
[02:43] <ConstyXIV> is there a way to make the desktop wall previews 4:3 instead of 16:9?
[02:45] <DanaG> wtf?  The "enter a WPA key" dialog popped under everything else, so for a long time I thought the connection was broken.
[02:46] <maccam94> i've seen that a lot in feisty too
[02:47] <nemik> is anyone able to run ekiga with SIP and have it not crash
[02:47] <nemik> ?
[02:47] <imperfect-> Howdy
[02:51] <emet> is gutsy going to include the new ATI driver ?
[02:51] <emet> maybe not in the final release but as an update
[02:52] <emet> AIGLX support
[02:54] <Reaby> nice
[02:54] <Reaby> Reloading options
[02:54] <Reaby> beryl: decoration: property ignored because version is 20070319 and decoration plugin version is 20061011
[02:54] <Reaby> what in earth did that.
[02:58] <RAdams> At this time, I would like to complain about the even worse desktop background they've picked for Gusty.
[02:59] <Reaby> and it's gone after relogging
[02:59] <Reaby> :)
[02:59] <RAdams> eh?
[02:59] <Reaby> looks like random beryl bugs
[02:59] <RAdams> ah
[02:59] <RAdams> you're using beryl, not compiz fusion?
[02:59] <Reaby> damn
[02:59] <Reaby> compiz fusion i mean
[02:59] <Reaby> :D
[02:59] <RAdams> :)
[03:00] <RAdams> Here's a puzzler:
[03:00] <RAdams> I've changed the color of my desktop background to a dark red. I changed the background of the login screen to dark red. But when I login, I still, for about 5 seconds, see the default light tan color on my desktop
[03:00] <RAdams> X__X
[03:01] <RAdams> These issues are much more important than a stable kernel and userspace tools, of course.
[03:01] <Reaby> i bet it's gnome splash screen
[03:01] <RAdams> I thought that was disabled?
[03:01] <Reaby> it's called usability
[03:01] <Reaby> :D
[03:02] <Reaby> well i don't know, just tried ice with a stick
[03:02] <Reaby> :)
[03:02] <Reaby> hehe
[03:02] <RAdams> ice with a stick? o.O
[03:02] <Reaby> hmm.. maybe it doesn't work that good translated to english
[03:02] <RAdams> more complaining: my shortcut keys involving the super ("windows") key stopped working in compiz fusion
[03:03] <RAdams> maybe not, Reaby
[03:03] <RAdams> lol
[03:03] <Reaby> it's commonly used here tho.
[03:03] <DanaG> Same here -- also, the Gnome super-key bindings are broken/
[03:03] <DanaG> .
[03:03] <RAdams> Hrmm
[03:03] <RAdams> Mine used to work
[03:03] <RAdams> then they magically stopped
[03:04] <RAdams> Geez, all these problems, you'd think we were running an unstable release or something...
[03:04] <DanaG> If I have 'put' enabled, pressing the 'super' key alone causes the window to jump to the opposite side of the screen.
[03:04] <RAdams> :|
[03:04] <RAdams> DanaG: sounds fun and exciting
[03:04] <DanaG> My super-W key for Water still works, though.
[03:04] <RAdams> like catch the window
[03:04] <RAdams> oh
[03:04] <RAdams> that's good
[03:04] <RAdams> the water effect is very important to usability
[03:04] <DanaG> I want to use the Put plugin, but I can't -- it's bugged.
[03:04] <RAdams> its an integral part of my productivity
[03:05] <RAdams> I want to use Put as well, but I have no farking idea what it does
[03:05] <RAdams> I just like checking boxes
[03:05] <RAdams> I did *not* RTFM
[03:05] <DanaG> It lets you push windows to different edges of the desktop, and to different virtual desktops without bringing yourself with them.
[03:05] <RAdams> oh
[03:05] <RAdams> neat
[03:05] <RAdams> that is handy
[03:05] <RAdams> pity it's bork then
[03:06] <RAdams> let me go mess about with mine
[03:06] <RAdams> Super + KP Begin
[03:06] <RAdams> ...
[03:07] <RAdams> "PC LOAD LETTER? WTF DOES THAT MEAN?!"
[03:07] <RAdams> Seriously though, what's KP Begin?
[03:07] <d4rkmonkey> its loading a letter.
[03:07] <woodwizzle> does the beta come out tonite?
[03:07] <RAdams> d4rkmonkey: http://imdb.com/title/tt0151804/
[03:08] <RAdams> *whoosh*
[03:08] <d4rkmonkey> :D
[03:08] <Reaby> #define tonight, it's allready 04.08 :)
[03:08] <d4rkmonkey> oh lol...
[03:08] <RAdams> heh
[03:08] <RAdams> "Your system is up-to-date"
[03:09] <RAdams> How boring!
[03:09] <RAdams> oooh!
[03:09] <RAdams> an update to flash and parted!
[03:09] <Reaby> (and if you use medibuntu win32 codecs)
[03:09] <RAdams> my life is now ~300 kb more exciting
[03:09] <d4rkmonkey> xbox website is being retarded today.
[03:09] <RAdams> whats so great about medibuntu?
[03:10] <RAdams> d4kmonkey: never forget xbox.com is owned my Microsoft
[03:10] <RAdams> :D
[03:10] <RAdams> retardation is inevitable
[03:10] <Reaby> well it offers some restricted/commercial stuff
[03:11] <DanaG> Argh, hitting my Super key makes my window randomly decide to move.
[03:11] <d4rkmonkey> RAdams usually it works fine. But like, its crawling today and giving me Server is Unavailable things
[03:11] <d4rkmonkey> WELL BUY BETTER SERVERS!!!
[03:11] <DanaG> In USA?
[03:11] <DanaG> Use mirrors.kernel.org.
[03:11] <d4rkmonkey> DanaG talking about xbox site...
[03:11] <DanaG> But keep archive.ubuntu around below it in sources.list.
[03:11] <DanaG> Oh.
[03:11] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[03:11] <RAdams> whoa...
[03:12] <d4rkmonkey> I bet they were dumb enough to do something like have the xbox live servers the same as their web servers or something, and that the massive amount of people playing live cus of halo 3 messed it up or something
[03:12] <DanaG> wtf?
[03:12] <RAdams> :x
[03:12] <DanaG> I backspace the super-r on restore, and yet it pops back.
[03:12] <DanaG> And the tree pops closed.
[03:12] <DanaG> WTF?
[03:12] <RAdams> Yes!~
[03:13] <RAdams> that happens to me
[03:13] <RAdams> all the time
[03:13] <RAdams> wtfuzz
[03:13] <DanaG> WTF?
[03:13] <RAdams> it won't stop happening
[03:13] <RAdams> believe me
[03:13] <RAdams> it's driving me insane
[03:13] <DanaG> And what is "Put Exact"?
[03:13] <RAdams> idk!
[03:13] <DanaG> It doesn't have any bindings to bind.
[03:13] <RAdams> until you told me, I didn't know what "put" was
[03:15] <DanaG> Argh, I have to disable Put.
[03:15] <DanaG> The randomly moving window is a dealbreaker for that plugin.
[03:16] <RAdams> It doesn't happen for me
[03:17] <branstrom> Not for me either
[03:18] <RAdams> DanaG and branstorm: go to general options and try to disable a keystroke for any thing under "Actions"
[03:18] <RAdams> does it cancel the action and collapse the tree?
[03:19] <Xero> Put is indeed b0rked for me.
[03:19] <d4rkmonkey> what do I have to do to un-blacklist intel in compiz-fusion?
[03:20] <DanaG> Nothing for just 'super' there, either.
[03:21] <d4rkmonkey> anyone?] 
[03:22] <d4rkmonkey> I know I'm supposed to remove some line from some file..
[03:22] <d4rkmonkey> but I forget which one..
[03:22] <DanaG> WTF?  I went to disable super-5 on put center, and it reset!
[03:22] <_dan_> wireless works again
[03:22] <_dan_> nice
[03:22] <DanaG> What the ****?
[03:23] <d4rkmonkey> anyone...?
[03:23] <RAdams> DanaG: it seems to happen when trying to disable keystrokes ANYWHERE in compiz fusion
[03:23] <RAdams> verify?
[03:23] <DanaG> And what are kp_begin and kp_next and such?
[03:23] <_dan_> brightness stopped working :O
[03:23] <DanaG> How about calling them home and pgdn?
[03:24] <RAdams> d4kmonkey: http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Intel
[03:24] <RAdams> DanaG: "Keypad"
[03:24] <DanaG> I know that.
[03:24] <DanaG> But I don't ever see keys named "Begin" and "Next".
[03:24] <DanaG> And resetting bindings is borked.
[03:24] <RAdams> true...
[03:24] <RAdams> yes
[03:24] <RAdams> very much so
[03:25] <DanaG> Another issue of naming that bugs me: Madwifi.  The module does not have any anagram of 'mad' or 'wifi' anywhere within them!
[03:25] <DanaG> s/module/modules/
[03:25] <DanaG> do not.
[03:25] <d4rkmonkey> RAdams what now? that deosn't really explain anything... I heard intel was blacklisted, and mine worked fine before.
[03:25] <d4rkmonkey> oh wait... nevermind! I just saw links..
[03:25] <d4rkmonkey> haha...
[03:25] <RAdams> :)
[03:26] <DanaG> What does blue text in ccsm mean?
[03:26] <Xero> I have no idea. Never seen it.
[03:26] <d4rkmonkey> RAdams agg... thats not what I was looking for. Theres like one line in some config file and I should be good after I take that out...
[03:27] <RAdams> d4kmonkey: not sure... I'm on nvidia here
[03:27] <d4rkmonkey> RAdams ok, thanks for the help anyways.
[03:28] <RAdams> hey, does anyone know what happened to the ability to set actions to the screen edges in compiz fusion?
[03:28] <RAdams> I liked that in beryl... where did it go
[03:29] <Xero> RAdams, I still have it.
[03:29] <RAdams> xero: where do you set it?
[03:29] <Xero> Bindings
[03:29] <RAdams> under?
[03:31] <RAdams> xero: is bindings a plugin?
[03:31] <Xero> RAdams, no.
[03:31] <RAdams> where do you set it?
[03:31] <Xero> Actions tab for any plugin
[03:31] <Xero> Only a few work this way though.
[03:31] <RAdams> xero: oh ok ty
[03:31] <RAdams> what's the name of that plugin that shows all your windows?
[03:32] <Xero> Scale
[03:32] <RAdams> yeah that one
[03:32] <Xero> It might have a tracker in it.
[03:32] <RAdams> COOKIE
[03:33] <RAdams> COOOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKKIIIIiiiiieeeeeee.....
[03:33] <Xero> lol
[03:34] <penguincentral> !hi | mrigns
[03:34] <ubotu> mrigns: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[03:35] <RAdams> !hi | ubotu
[03:35] <ubotu> ubotu: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[03:35] <mrigns> lol
[03:36] <mrigns> I think someone might be bored ;P
[03:36] <RAdams> X_x
[03:36] <penguincentral> mrigns: so so true
[03:36] <RAdams> !bored | RAdams
[03:36] <RAdams> ...
[03:36] <RAdams> That's the best definition for boredom I've ever heard
[03:36] <RAdams> like a poem, it was
[03:37] <penguincentral> !botabuse | RAdams
[03:37] <ubotu> RAdams: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[03:37] <penguincentral> yeah
[03:37] <RAdams> :(
[03:37] <penguincentral> i'm in there RAdams
[03:38] <penguincentral> good idea RAdams
[03:38] <penguincentral> back to the topic people, nothing to see here...
[03:38] <RAdams> If making e-love to Ubotu is wrong, I don't wanna be right.
[03:39] <penguincentral> RAdams: lol
[03:39] <slackern> *Ubotu.JR has joined the channel*
[03:39] <slackern> awww
[03:39] <penguincentral> MSG RAdams Someone has fallen in love with the bot
[03:40] <penguincentral> uh, let me try that again...
[03:40] <penguincentral> MSG <UbotusLover> <Someone has fallen in love with the bot>
[03:40] <penguincentral> eh, so much for trying
[03:41] <UbotusLover>  /msg?
[03:41] <penguincentral> i've sent the message
[03:41] <DanaG> Argh, how do I get back the old font rendering?
[03:41] <DanaG> The new rendering hurts my eyes.
[03:41] <UbotusLover> Why can't I set screen edges for scale? It works by default when I go to the upper right, but under the bindings it says "None" for screen edges
[03:42] <UbotusLover> oh
[03:42] <slackern> hehe and i thought this new rendering is the best thing to happen since molten cheese :)
[03:42] <UbotusLover> what are edge buttons?
[03:42] <DanaG> I think it needs to be configurable!
[03:42] <DanaG> Not forced.
[03:42] <slackern> DanaG: aye that would be better most definately
[03:43] <maccam94> the beta is supposed to be out now
[03:43] <maccam94> isn't it?
[03:43] <maccam94> it's now the 27th on GMT time
[03:43] <RAdams> where are the compiz settings stored?
[03:43] <Xero> RAdams, GConf.
[03:43] <maccam94> anybody?
[03:44] <maccam94> or are we expecting the release more in the middle of the day or something?
[03:44] <RAdams> xero: ty
[03:44] <igorgue> @now
[03:44] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: September 27 2007, 01:44:33 - Next meeting: Desktop Team Development in 10 hours 15 minutes
[03:44] <Xero> Wait. You made e-love to Ubotu?
[03:44] <igorgue> maccam94: yep it is 27
[03:45] <RAdams> maccam94: We don't know. We suspect Novell has bought Ubuntu and the beta will feature YAST as the primary installer
[03:45] <RAdams> Xero: perhaps
[03:45] <Xero> Yuck.
[03:45] <igorgue> RAdams: that'll cool :D
[03:45] <RAdams> Yuck to which? e-love to Ubotu or Novell?
[03:45] <maccam94> lol
[03:45] <Xero> Both.
[03:45] <RAdams> oh
[03:45] <RAdams> I agree... the Novell idea makes my stomach turn
[03:46] <Xero> lol
[03:46] <DanaG> Gutsy seems to be full of regressions:
[03:46] <Xero> The mechanosexual idea makes -my- stomach want to implode
[03:46] <DanaG> deskbuttonthatopensawindow-applet
[03:46] <Xero> You made e-love to a freaking computer!
[03:47] <DanaG> painful (to me) font rendering.
[03:47] <philip> anyone has probs with update-manager? it gives me "unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file"
[03:47] <DanaG> Suspend now gives me the black screen again.
[03:47] <MechanoSexual>  /msg nickserv register?
[03:47] <DanaG> Brightness control broke for a while, until I found a workaround.
[03:47] <Xero> I removed Deskbuttonthatopensawindow Applet.
[03:47] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833
[03:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete] 
[03:47] <MechanoSexual> what applet are you guys talking about?
[03:47] <DanaG> I went back to the old deskbar-applet.
[03:47] <Xero> LOL
[03:48] <DanaG> The new one is false advertising.
[03:48] <MechanoSexual> oh
[03:48] <MechanoSexual> that one
[03:48] <MechanoSexual> I like Tracker Live Search
[03:48] <Xero> Me too.
[03:48] <Xero> But you're a sicko.
[03:48] <DanaG> But tracker can't run commands, like
[03:48] <DanaG> Alt-f3.  Appe<enter>
[03:48] <DanaG> for Appearance.
[03:48] <DanaG> Even the new Deskbar can't do that.
[03:49] <DanaG> Ouch, my eyes hurt.
[03:49] <igorgue> DanaG: are you sure about that?
[03:49] <igorgue> you need to see the prefferences in deskbar
[03:49] <MechanoSexual> typing "appe" in my deskbar launches gdmsetup
[03:49] <MechanoSexual> :|
[03:49] <Xero> Please, for the sake of all things Open Source, change your name.
[03:50] <MechanoSexual> :(
[03:50] <igorgue> MechanoSexual: lol
[03:50] <Xero> Once again change it.
[03:50] <UbotoHarlot> :(
[03:51] <Xero> Good enough.
[03:51] <DanaG> My comment: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3432774#post3432774
[03:53] <Xero> <random childish spam> Poop </random childish spam>
[03:54] <RAdams> Xero: why can't I set screen edges for my Scale Plugin?
[03:54] <Xero> RAdams, I have no idea.
[03:56] <Xero> If you really needed to do it, you'd learn C++ and edit the Scale Plugin to be a butthole about it and force the top right corner to do the showing of windows.
[03:56] <Xero> Of course, I've never felt that bad a need for anything (yet)
[03:57] <RAdams> DanaG: System --> Preferences --> Appearance --> Fonts
[03:57] <RAdams> Xero: what I actually want to do is make it not do that
[03:57] <RAdams> Xero: my screen edges are all set to "None" for the scale plugin
[03:57] <RAdams> but it keeps doing it when I go to the upper right
[03:59] <Xero> RAdams, try restarting Compiz. Mine has a bug where I have to reset to change certain settings.
[03:59] <DanaG> The thing is, I had it set to Subpixel rendering before, and it looked great.
[03:59] <DanaG> Now it looks (subjectively) bad, like Cleartype.
[03:59] <RAdams> xero: what's the cleanest way to restart compiz?
[03:59] <Xero> DanaG, change the filtering or whatever
[03:59] <Xero> RAdams, compiz --replace
[04:00] <DanaG> Somehow my QT apps still look like the old way, though.
[04:00] <DanaG> I don't know how.
[04:00] <Xero> Then convert to KDE.
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> KDE KDE KDE!!!
[04:01] <_dan_> twm twm twm!!
[04:01] <Xero> gnome.
[04:01] <Xero> I'm boring :)
[04:13] <tripzero> anyone know how the live cd configures the xorg.conf file?
[04:15] <RAdams> tripzero: satanic incantations
[04:15] <RAOF> tripzero: Probably with the debconf autodetect stuff?  You can re-run it with dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg
[04:15] <RAdams> you can also sprinkle holy water on it
[04:16] <tripzero> RAdams, lol
[04:16] <tripzero> that's what I figured (some sort of black magic)
[04:17] <RAOF> There are a bunch of packages for it - I believe "discover" is one.  You'll also see xresprobe, IIRC.
[04:18] <tripzero> thanks RAOF, that will help alot me thinks :P
[04:18] <tripzero> I'm remastering the ubuntu cd, that's why I ask (I only want it to display 800x600)
[04:20] <RAdams> Horray my Super key commands work again
[04:20] <RAdams> Life is wonderful
[04:22] <RAdams> does anyone know how to improve the focus stealing prevention of compiz fusion?
[04:22] <RAdams> It drives me insane when windows steal focus
[04:23] <maccam94> if you install ccsm, you can adjust the level
[04:25] <DanaG> wtf?  How do I allow guest access to Samba?
[04:25] <RAdams> what is ccsm?
[04:26] <RAdams> oh nvm
[04:26] <RAdams> maccam94: i have it installed
[04:26] <RAdams> where do I set it?
[04:27] <DanaG> [2007/09/26 19:04:23, 0]  auth/auth_util.c:create_builtin_administrators(792)                        create_builtin_administrators: Failed to create Administrators
[04:27] <DanaG> [2007/09/26 19:04:23, 0]  auth/auth_util.c:create_builtin_users(758)                  create_builtin_users: Failed to create Users
[04:28] <maccam94> RAdams: it's in general i believe
[04:29] <h1st0> RAdams: compizconfig-settings-manager is ccsm
[04:29] <h1st0> RAdams: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[04:30] <RAdams> h1st0: yes, I forgot it was called that. lol
[04:30] <RAdams> I have it
[04:30] <RAdams> maccam94: checking
[04:30] <RAdams> maccam94: I see an option for "Focus Prevention Windows" and it is set to "any". That's all I see regarding focus prevention
[04:32] <kevinO> hello, i am using the oem install of gusty, has anyone reported that it is slower than usual?
[04:32] <DanaG> How do I give guest access to samba shares?
[04:32] <kevinO> i did apt-get update and it downloaded about 59 mb of updates, it has taken over 20 minutes to install
[04:33] <maccam94> RAdams: there used to be focus stealing prevention :-\
[04:33] <maccam94> maybe that's the same option, renamed
[04:35] <TiaGo|SouZa> hey, do you have any ideia what time the beta will be released?!
[04:36] <stdin> "When it's ready"
[04:36] <stdin> there is no set time
[04:37] <TiaGo|SouZa> hm
[04:37] <TiaGo|SouZa> and where can I find it to download?!
[04:38] <RAdams> Tiago|Souza: it will appear in your update manager
[04:38] <RAdams> patience
[04:38] <TiaGo|SouZa> "when it's ready", of course
[04:38] <TiaGo|SouZa> :p
[04:38] <kevinO> TiaGo|SouZa:  you can download the latest beta if you want to test
[04:38] <TiaGo|SouZa> the beta version will appear in my update manager?!?!
[04:39] <RAdams> Tiago: are you using gusty?
[04:39] <TiaGo|SouZa> no
[04:39] <TiaGo|SouZa> feisty
[04:39] <RAdams> oh
[04:39] <RAdams> lol
[04:39] <RAdams> then no, it won't
[04:39] <RAdams> one moment...
[04:39] <TiaGo|SouZa> that's what i tought
[04:40] <RAdams> Tiago|Souza: "update-manager -d"
[04:40] <_dan_> guys can anyone hint me why my fonts looklike crap?
[04:40] <RAdams> will offer the latest build of Gusty to you
[04:40] <_dan_> white fionts seem sometimes redish
[04:41] <_dan_> on my laptop
[04:41] <kevinO> deselect crapola font, and change the size to 12
[04:41] <kevinO> hehe
[04:42] <_dan_> standard gutsy fnt
[04:42] <_dan_> dont
[04:42] <_dan_> font ah sry
[04:42] <_dan_> i htink it has omething to do with subpixel thing but i have no clue about that
[04:42] <dcordes> anybody able to compile C code with 64 bit gutsy?
[04:42] <kevinO> Tiago, you can always download the Gutsy tribe 5 cd if you want to test it on another machine.
[04:42] <kevinO> TiaGo|SouZa: i meant
[04:43] <TiaGo|SouZa> yeap, but I'm really courious about the final artwork
[04:43] <TiaGo|SouZa> curious
[04:45] <khatahn> just checking: gutsy beta should come out today? (it's 27. here)
[04:45] <maccam94> khatahn: i was saying the same thing
[04:45] <kevinO> TiaGo|SouZa: the artwork hasnt changed much yet, i did notice a couple other backgrounds in the update earlier
[04:46] <TiaGo|SouZa> khatahn: me too
[04:46] <kevinO> what is everyone talkin about? i thought gutsy beta has been out for a while now
[04:46] <TiaGo|SouZa> but, theoretically, the final artwork will be in the beta release, no?!
[04:46] <kurros> no, only alphas
[04:47] <TiaGo|SouZa> kevinO: yep, only alphas
[04:47] <kevinO> ahh
[04:47] <kevinO> news to me
[04:47] <TiaGo|SouZa> hehehe
[04:47] <maccam94> kevinO: yeah, tribe5 is the latest alpha
[04:47] <maccam94> beta comes out the 27th
[04:47] <kevinO> i did notice some extra backgrounds in the updates earlier
[04:47] <RAdams> really? I only got one
[04:48] <RAdams> and it looks like a brighter version of the poop they originally suggested
[04:48] <kevinO> i found one that looks like elephant skin
[04:48] <maccam94> yes
[04:48] <kevinO> its pretty neat
[04:48] <maccam94> there's that and an abstract one
[04:49] <maccam94> there's actually a lot of neat animal skin wallpapers on the incoming artwork wiki
[04:49] <RAdams> yeah
[04:49] <RAdams> I'm using the darker animal hair one
[04:49] <RAdams> I <3 it
[04:49] <TiaGo|SouZa> an how about the icons?!
[04:49] <TiaGo|SouZa> any changes?!
[04:50] <kevinO> hehe you are yelling a question
[04:50] <kevinO> i try to say it out loud in my head
[04:50] <kurros> kevin0: the changes!! any changes?!
[04:50] <kevinO> heh
[04:51] <kevinO> stop yelling at me
[04:52] <TiaGo|SouZa> sorry
[04:52] <kevinO> its ok im just playin
[04:53] <kevinO> are you askin if there are any new icons in the beta release?
[04:53] <maccam94> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GutsyIdeas
[04:54] <DanaG> Try this in the desktop-effects tab:
[04:54] <DanaG> While already having stuff set up via ccsm, select Custom.
[04:54] <TiaGo|SouZa> yeap
[04:54] <DanaG> It just freezes.
[04:54] <TiaGo|SouZa> maccam94: I already saw this page a dozen times
[04:55] <TiaGo|SouZa> :p
[04:55] <TiaGo|SouZa> some wallpapers are awesome!
[04:56] <kevinO> yeah that link kill my firefox
[04:57] <TiaGo|SouZa> it tooks a life to load that page
[04:57] <dcosson> someone tell me to bugger off if i should... but i've just installed the 9/25 gutsy kubuntu daily and i am not getting any usplash screens.  can someone point me in the right direction?
[04:57] <tonyyarusso> dcosson: did you with feisty?
[04:58] <tonyyarusso> I know on Dell Optiplex machines you have to change a BIOS setting for usplash to work
[04:58] <dcosson> not at first, but i did something.  i have a short memory.
[04:59] <TiaGo|SouZa> kevinO: are u using the latest alpha release?
[04:59] <kevinO> i wish the panel backround changesd with the themes
[04:59] <dcosson> and then i installed just the WM-less gutsy iso and installed kubuntu-desktop through apt, and i did get usplash screens
[04:59] <kevinO> TiaGo|SouZa: yes i am up to date with the latest gutsy
[04:59] <dcosson> but i wanted to try the kubuntu daily iso :-P
[05:00] <kevinO> i dont like kubuntu
[05:00] <kevinO> sorry
[05:01] <kevinO> those are all nice wallpapers on that link
[05:01] <DanaG> Yay, kernel panic due to virtualbox.
[05:01] <Jordan_U> dcosson, Is "splash" in your kernel parameters?
[05:02] <dcosson> yeah, this is maybe where i am over my head.  i don't so much know what that means.
[05:03] <kevinO> Ubuntu - It just works.
[05:03] <TiaGo|SouZa> kevinO: did your icons change to something diferent of feisty's?!
[05:04] <kevinO> TiaGo|SouZa: im using a theme "mydarktheme" [which is an awesome theme]  right now, but ill check
[05:04] <TiaGo|SouZa> did this theme come with gutsy?
[05:05] <TiaGo|SouZa> sorry, probably not..MYdarktheme
[05:05] <TiaGo|SouZa> :P
[05:05] <kevinO> no, i got it from gnome-look.org
[05:05] <tripzero> Anyone tried gutsy with a touchscreen yet, just wondering how much better xorg7.3 is?
[05:05] <kevinO> no its not mine, thats just what the guy namd it
[05:05] <DanaG> argh, #vbox is empty.
[05:05] <TiaGo|SouZa> oh, okey
[05:06] <kevinO> TiaGo|SouZa:  heres a screeny http://kevin.myjot.net/Screenshot-1.png
[05:07] <TiaGo|SouZa> hmmm..looks awesome!
[05:08] <TiaGo|SouZa> can u look at the "default" theme, and maybe take some screenshot of it?!
[05:08] <kevinO> tiago, im looking through the available icons and it looks like there is a new set called nuoveXT-aero
[05:08] <kevinO> hold on
[05:08] <TiaGo|SouZa> ok
[05:09] <kevinO> if i choose human theme, its still the default icons, ill just make you a screenshot of my theme with the new icons
[05:12] <kevinO> hmm my print screen button isnt working
[05:13] <kevinO> oh now it is
[05:16] <kevinO> TiaGo|SouZa:  http://kevin.myjot.net/Screenshot.png
[05:17] <kevinO> i like these icons thay are clean and not to cartoonish looking
[05:17] <TiaGo|SouZa> hmmm
[05:17] <TiaGo|SouZa> awesome!
[05:17] <TiaGo|SouZa> this is nuoveXT-aero?!
[05:18] <kevinO> yeah i think thats what they were called
[05:19] <tripzero> flip, within the livecd there is not xorg.conf???!!!
[05:19] <kevinO> im curious to know if these actually came from ubuntu, they seem like some sort of vista knock off
[05:19] <TiaGo|SouZa> this one came by default?
[05:20] <TiaGo|SouZa> that's what it seems
[05:20] <RAOF> tripzero: Of course not.  You couldn't pre-configure it correctly for everyone.  It needs to be autodetected & created on startup.
[05:20] <kevinO> no, they were just in my icons list, but i have never seen them before
[05:20] <kevinO> i assume they were downloaded with ubuntu updates
[05:20] <kevinO> i know i did not dl them
[05:21] <tripzero> it doesn't look like discover nor xresprobe create the xorg.conf file afaik
[05:22] <TiaGo|SouZa> hm
[05:22] <TiaGo|SouZa> the human's still the same?!
[05:23] <kevinO> yeah
[05:23] <TiaGo|SouZa> hm
[05:23] <TiaGo|SouZa> crap
[05:23] <TiaGo|SouZa> maybe something change in the beta
[05:23] <RAOF> tripzero: It'd be part of the "configure" phase of the xserver-xorg package.
[05:23] <TiaGo|SouZa> the final artwork deadline was seven days ago
[05:24] <kevinO> , i hope there is its always nice to have a professional looking icon set to use
[05:24] <RAOF> tripzero: If you really wanted to, you can grab the xserver-xorg package, then run "dpkg --info <xorg.deb> postinst" to get the shell code run.
[05:25] <TiaGo|SouZa> kevinO: I agree!
[05:26] <TiaGo|SouZa> do u know if something changed in the grub menu?!
[05:26] <kevinO> i have no idea
[05:26] <nb-au> have the beta isos been released?
[05:26] <kevinO> nope i hear they are tomorrow
[05:27] <nb-au> damn :(, gotta wait another day :P
[05:27] <TiaGo|SouZa> hahahaha
[05:27] <nb-au> luckily tomorrow is only 11 hours away :D
[05:27] <TiaGo|SouZa> nb-au: everybody's sainh that
[05:28] <TiaGo|SouZa> *saying
[05:29] <TiaGo|SouZa> kevinO: is gutsy "stable"?!
[05:30] <_dan_> no
[05:30] <nb-au> i havent had a crash yet, but ymmv
[05:30] <kevinO> i have had any problems with it
[05:30] <_dan_> atm generic kernel is majorly bugged
[05:30] <nb-au> though i dont have a usplash either :/
[05:30] <kevinO> sorry, havent had
[05:30] <nb-au> my monitor just turns off until login, rofl
[05:31] <TiaGo|SouZa> I know that officially, it's a unstable release
[05:32] <TiaGo|SouZa> but this is what I'm asking: how about u, guys?! did u have problems with it?!
[05:32] <RAdams> anyone else having a problem with openoffice base not being able to start?
[05:32] <TiaGo|SouZa> apparently no
[05:32] <nb-au> TiaGo|SouZa: its stable but a single new package could bork the system, and if u dont know what your doing could be a bugger to fix
[05:33] <RAdams> "Please *don't* run Gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc"
[05:33] <nb-au> yup yup
[05:33] <TiaGo|SouZa> RAdams: I saw this
[05:34] <TiaGo|SouZa> hm
[05:34] <RAdams> can anyone confirm openoffice base crashing ooffice and causing a hung soffice.bin process?
[05:34] <nb-au> if u dont know what your doing you may have to wait until another update leaving you without a pc for days
[05:34] <TiaGo|SouZa> I see
[05:34] <nb-au> and even then depending on the bug, could have other stuff borked
[05:34] <nb-au> lol
[05:35] <nb-au> chances are you could run it just fine up till release, but if borking ur system is not a risk you want to take then dont :)
[05:35] <DanaG> For me, the biggest breakage (subjectively) was the fonts.
[05:36] <RAdams> DanaG is a FontRendering Crusader
[05:36] <nb-au> the one where u gotta touch the files?
[05:36] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Do you mean the DPI settings?
[05:36] <_dan_> my fonts look so weird
[05:36] <_dan_> in fesity and gutsy
[05:36] <TiaGo|SouZa> thanks, guys!
[05:36] <RAdams> can someone open their database component of openoffice and tell me if it starts?
[05:36] <_dan_> DanaG u got any magic solution for that
[05:36] <TiaGo|SouZa> bye!
[05:36] <RAdams> np, tiago
[05:36] <Jordan_U> _dan_, Screenshot?
[05:36] <_dan_> sure
[05:36] <_dan_> of which application?
[05:37] <_dan_> gnome term fine?
[05:37] <nb-au> radams works fine here
[05:37] <RAdams> odd
[05:37] <RAdams> I can't start mine
[05:37] <nb-au> im running amd64 if thats any help
[05:37] <RAdams> time to install the debugging symbols
[05:37] <RAdams> i'm on x86
[05:37] <DanaG> My fonts looked wonderful in Feisty, but now Gutsy changed them.
[05:38] <nb-au> DanaG all the time? or just in some programs like firefox and wine
[05:39] <DanaG> Everything except KDE apps.
[05:40] <DanaG> My comment: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3432774#post3432774
[05:40] <nb-au> ahh no idea then :(
[05:41] <nb-au> my fonts look exactly the same, except wine and firefox coz i havent install msttcorefonts yet
[05:42] <_dan_> Jordan_U
[05:42] <_dan_> http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8231/blabp9.jpg
[05:42] <_dan_> its hard to see here since jpg makes it a bit not so colerfu
[05:42] <_dan_> but fnts have a redish touch on the sites
[05:43] <Jordan_U> _dan_, Why not save as lossless png then, I don't see any wierdness, can you give an example of what you consider normal?
[05:44] <_dan_> normal = windows fonts, they just look "better"
[05:44] <_dan_> lets see with png
[05:45] <DanaG> For me, normal == the old subpixel hinting.
[05:45] <DanaG> I don't mind having new options, but I hate having a new rendering system forced upon me.
[05:45] <DanaG> At the very least, they should publicize how to get back the old style, even if it means recompiling things.
[05:46] <DanaG> Better: debconf option.
[05:46] <DanaG> Better still: user-specific option.
[05:47] <_dan_> http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/6613/bla2ry2.png
[05:47] <_dan_> here
[05:47] <_dan_> when u zoom in
[05:48] <_dan_> u see clearly redish touch around the edges
[05:48] <RAOF> DanaG: There is one.
[05:49] <RAOF> DanaG: If it's not yet a debconf option, instructions are posted to ubuntu-devel-announce (I think).
[05:50] <bernier>  hi, how can I install compiz-fusion-plugins-unofficial and compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported?
[05:51] <DanaG> Cool, then that'll satisfy me.
[05:53] <RAOF> bernier: So, -unofficial does'nt exist, and -unsupported aren't in Gutsy :)
[05:54] <RAOF> bernier: -unofficial is a package made of a bunch of disparate plugins by Trevino - they aren't developed enough to be put into one of the other -plugins-{main, extra} packages.
[05:55] <RAOF> bernier: And -unsupported are not supported by compiz-fusion, and so are definitely not going to be supported by Ubuntu.
[05:55] <bernier> ok, so there are no extra effects to add?
[05:55] <RAOF> bernier: If you really want to, you can get those plugins from the 0.6.0 branch of git & build them against Gutsy's compiz-dev package.
[05:55] <_dan_> how can i force apt to downgrade?
[05:56] <RAOF> bernier: Not unless you want to go outside the official archives, no.
[05:56] <bernier> ok thank you
[05:57] <RAOF> _dan_: With difficulty, generally.  What do you actually want to do?
[05:58] <_dan_> install some older pkges
[05:58] <_dan_> well dpkg did it for me
[05:58] <_dan_> had to dl manually dunno apt syntax ,)
[05:58] <RAOF> aptitude install packagename=version works, too.
[06:03] <bernier> What is the "super"key?
[06:03] <_dan_> windows key
[06:03] <_dan_> normally
[06:03] <RAOF> Windows key, generally.  Or whatever you mapped it to :)
[06:03] <bernier> ty
[06:03] <_dan_> because windows is so "super"
[06:05] <skinny7puppy> Is there a guide for vmware server install on gutsy?
[06:06] <RAOF> skinny7puppy: (09.10.41|     pkern)) ScottK: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/09/26/how-to-install-vmware-server-on-ubuntu-710/
[06:06] <skinny7puppy> Terrific, thanks RAOF
[06:10] <bullgard4> What is the function of the /etc/init.d directory since the advent of upstart?
[06:11] <jobobo> ello! am i correct in assuming that the 2.6.22 kernel in gutsy will not have tickless support for x86_64 architecture?
[06:11] <RAOF> bullgard4: It still contains everything, for backwards-compatibility at least.
[06:12] <bullgard4> RAOF: No, it does not contain everything. Please be more precise.
[06:13] <RAOF> jobobo: That seems a reasonable assumption.  While it's possible one of the kernel team will feel it's a good idea to go crazy with upstream patches, it seems unlikely.
[06:13] <RAOF> bullgard4: It still contains everything it used to?
[06:13] <jobobo> aww :(
[06:14] <RAOF> jobobo: As an x86-64 laptop user, I sympathise.
[06:14] <bullgard4> RAOF: Yes, I can agree to your second answer much more easily. But please be so kind and tell me what it used to contain in pre-upstart times.
[06:15] <jobobo> i think i will use the i386 one then, the tickless benefits are too big to overlook :-/
[06:15] <jbinder> Does anyone know at what time and what time zone Ubuntu follows?
[06:15] <jbinder> For releasing updates.
[06:15] <RAOF> bullgard4: Oh.  The actual startup scripts.  the various /etc/rc.d directories just contain symlinks to stuff in /etc/init.d
[06:15] <jbinder> Like, in how long will Gutsy Beta be released?
[06:15] <RAOF> jbinder: UTC, generally.  And the beta will be released when it's done.
[06:15] <_dan_> see tpic
[06:15] <bullgard4> RAOF: Thank you.
[06:16] <_dan_> releaseschedule
[06:16] <jbinder> RAOF: Well the beta was scheduled for today (tomorrowish)
[06:16] <skinny7puppy> Whats the easiest way to play saved flv's in gutsy?
[06:16] <RAOF> jbinder: It should be released today, but the exact time is always a bit fluid.
[06:16] <jbinder> Oh.
[06:16] <jbinder> And right when it's released, everyone goes and makes it take a few minutes to time out ubuntu.com
[06:16] <bullgard4> jbinder: Universal time (UT). (Universal time formerly was called 'Greenwich Mean Time'.)
[06:16] <jbinder> Lol.
[06:16] <jbinder> Oh.
[06:16] <jbinder> Is that the one in England?
[06:17] <RAOF> Yes, where many of the canonical employees are, and where archive.ubuntu.com is.
[06:17] <DanaG> I still can't figure out how to do Samba so everybody can read.
[06:17] <jbinder> Oh.
[06:17] <DanaG> Or even with password.
[06:18] <Amaranth> Every time you ask when the beta will be out you delay the beta 24 hours
[06:20] <jbinder> Lol.
[06:20] <jbinder> It would never come out if that were true.
[06:20] <jbinder> Hundreds of people ask per day.
[06:20] <jbinder> Per hour..
[06:20] <jbinder> Lol.
[06:20] <jbinder> Per minute probably.
[06:20] <Amaranth> RAOF: You'd be surprised how empty Canonical's office is :)
[06:21] <RAOF> Amaranth: Oh, I know that not a lot of people actually *work
[06:21] <RAOF> there.
[06:21] <Amaranth> Then again that shouldn't be surprising since they have an entire floor of millbank tower
[06:22] <Amaranth> We had a chair race around it, tiring stuff
[06:24] <RAOF> Heh.
[06:28] <DanaG> argh, I can't open my samba server from my Windows VM.
[06:29] <_dan_> virtualbox?
[06:29] <_dan_> or vmware?
[06:29] <_dan_> or anything else? ;)
[06:29] <DanaG> Virtualbox, but using samba over a tap interface.
[06:30] <_dan_> lets see about mine
[06:31] <_dan_> hm mine works out of the box
[06:31] <_dan_> but i made samba conf by hand, ubuntu/gnome setup didnt work for me
[06:34] <DanaG> sudo smbpasswd -a dana
[06:35] <_dan_> wrong terminal
[06:35] <_dan_> :P
[06:36] <DanaG> no, I was saying what I had to do.
[06:36] <_dan_> ok :)
[06:54] <naught101> anyone know of any major discrepancies in the repositories that should stop me from upgrading from feisty to gutsy tonight?
[06:56] <_dan_> yeah
[06:56] <_dan_> generic kernel isnt working
[06:56] <_dan_> properly
[06:57] <nalioth> naught101: if you have to ask, you probably should wait until a public release candidate is here
[06:57] <naught101> _dan_: what's up with it?
[06:57] <_dan_> some modules missing (for me)
[06:57] <_dan_> like wi fi
[06:58] <_dan_> nvidia
[06:58] <_dan_> and possible others
[06:58] <naught101> which wifi drivers are you using?
[06:58] <_dan_> gutsy is IMHO not useable as everydayssystem yet
[06:58] <_dan_> ipw2200
[06:58] <RAOF> _dan_: WorksForMe.  Sure you have linux-restricted-modules-generic installed?
[06:58] <_dan_> yep
[06:58] <_dan_> RAOF maybe it works now, havend tried for 15 hours or so
[06:58] <Matir> anyone know when the next kernel release for gutsy will be?
[06:59] <RAOF> No.
[06:59] <RAOF> _dan_: Maybe you got caught in-between the -11 & -12 kernels?
[06:59] <_dan_> well i got both installed
[06:59] <_dan_> -386 kernel works fine tho
[06:59] <_dan_> maybe ill tray again l8er
[07:00] <_dan_> got gutsy on my plalaptop so its not that urgent, desktop runs feisty and i wont upgrade till release+1week
[07:00] <corevette> has the beta been release? if not when do they normall
[07:00] <corevette> *normally
[07:00] <_dan_> releaseschedule in topic
[07:01] <corevette> _dan_ it's supposed to be released today, what time do they normally?
[07:01] <Matir> corevette, when it's ready :)
[07:02] <corevette> yarg i hate those answers
[07:02] <_dan_> well since its in the middle of the night now at us
[07:02] <_dan_> i guess not any time soon
[07:02] <naught101> heh
[07:02] <corevette> will the art be final in the beta
[07:03] <Matir> actually i'd guess the release team is mostly in england or thereabouts (canonical hq)
[07:03] <_dan_> icon themes are still fucked for me
[07:03] <_dan_> at least the one i use is
[07:03] <DanaG> Tangerine icons are now brown!  WTF?
[07:03] <DanaG> At least the 'computer' ones.
[07:03] <_dan_> i hate the brown theme anyway
[07:03] <DanaG> I don't care if the default wallpaper _is_ brown -- the icons shouldn't break the color theme.
[07:03] <_dan_> well gives ubuntu an unique touch but i dont like it
[07:04] <DanaG> Now my Places menu has orange folder, orange folder, orange folder, WTFBROWN! computer, white drive, white drive, WTFBROWN Network, orange network folder, orange network folder, etc...
[07:04] <DanaG> The brown clashes!
[07:04] <naught101> damn, packages.ubuntu.com is hard to navigate...
[07:04] <_dan_> its disgusting the color theme
[07:05] <_dan_> no idea what colorblind chose it but well
[07:05] <_dan_> matter of taste
[07:05] <DanaG> I like brown; I like orange.  I don't like brown and orange mixed with no thought to consistency.
[07:05] <naught101> mmmm.... kubuntu
[07:05] <_dan_> i am more the blubuntu fan
[07:08] <Lynoure> Oh, the yearly color debate...
[07:08] <Lynoure> I like the colour themes I choose for myself. I don't think I'd ever be sticking to the default theme.
[07:09] <DanaG> BLINK BLINK!
[07:09] <DanaG> Argh, stupid brightness-change-on-idle.
[07:10] <DanaG> Oh yeah, where was that thing about a debconf option for font renderer?
[07:11] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833
[07:11] <_dan_> guess no one at ubuntu expects someone to use that ugly brownish theme
[07:11] <_dan_> but i have to say
[07:11] <_dan_> it really make the looks of ubuntu unique
[07:11] <_dan_> not many distros have that
[07:12] <panosru> Hi! How can i set my page in openoffice to landscape
[07:13] <DanaG> And don't forget the frickin' huge volume OSD.
[07:13] <cdm10> Is the beta on the site yet?
[07:14] <cdm10> Okay, that was a stupid question.
[07:15] <skinny7puppy> where to find the non free codecs for gutsy?
[07:15] <DanaG> !medibuntu
[07:15] <ubotu> medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org
[07:19] <nanonyme> hmm
[07:19] <nanonyme> i wonder why today there's no sound coming out of my gutsy
[07:20] <DanaG> my brightness bug; hope Launchpad responds:   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833
[07:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete] 
[07:20] <RAdams> anyone here using hamachi?
[07:40] <panosru> Hi, why Gutsy use so old emerald? (emerald: emerald version 0.3.0-svn)
[07:46] <MrKeuner> is there any delay?
[07:55] <DanaG> argh, that damnvidia blinking.
[08:06] <rathel> I forgot, what is the command to get my device id?
[08:11] <rathel> Nevermind Found it.
[08:13] <verb3k> guys is the Gutsy beta out?
[08:14] <Hobbsee> no
[08:15] <corevette> the beta is up? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=559905
[08:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> that's pre-beta
[08:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> if you read the post
[08:17] <Daisuke_Laptop> just making sure there are no huge things that will keep it from being able to be widely tested
[08:17] <verb3k> So when it is released , where can I find it?
[08:18] <Daisuke_Laptop> from the release schedule page
[08:18] <verb3k> matbe here? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/
[08:21] <verb3k> when do you think the beta will be released exactly?
[08:21] <Daisuke_Laptop> well, it's on schedule for *today*
[08:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> but i'll hazard a guess and say 12:17 and 42 seconds, Eastern Standard Time
[08:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> you did say exactly :D
[08:22] <verb3k> :)
[08:22] <verb3k> I don't want to board the hype train yet
[08:23] <verb3k> :)
[08:23] <_dan_> y not?
[08:23] <_dan_> its driving fast
[08:23] <_dan_> almost as fast as the apple train
[08:23] <Daisuke_Laptop> i've been running it here since tribe 5 came out (which puts me pretty near beta status right now), and while i do feel it's an incremental release more than feisty was, every change i've seen is for the better :)
[08:24] <_dan_> i dont know about that
[08:24] <_dan_> but there are some nice things
[08:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> i personally haven't seen anything that was worse than feisty
[08:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> i like having a single applet for appearance settings rather than having to hunt everything down individually
[08:25] <_dan_> i dont like the bulletproof x thingie
[08:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> after de-blacklisting my video card from compiz fusion, i have that working again
[08:25] <verb3k> I think this will build up a tremendously powerful 8.04 plus LTS ( hope it will be stable)
[08:25] <_dan_> wont work for me and annoys the hellout of me
[08:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> then perhaps i haven't really encountered it
[08:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> in theory, x should never crash?
[08:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> fallback to failsafes?
[08:26] <_dan_> i deinstalled it already (the gtk conf thingie)
[08:26] <_dan_> so it wont mess my xorg.conf
[08:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> i don't like the screens and graphics thing...
[08:27] <verb3k> _dan_, you may not want it but others who are newbies will appreciate it if they mess with the system
[08:27] <Daisuke_Laptop> or is that what you're talking about?
[08:28] <_dan_> possible yes
[08:28] <_dan_> but it didnt work for me with nvidia
[08:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> because i cannot for the life of me figure out how to get my tv set to the right without crashing X
[08:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> intel here
[08:28] <_dan_> so i am pretty sure, for newbies it wont work either but yes
[08:28] <_dan_> its beta
[08:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> but an intel 965
[08:28] <_dan_> so lets see what comes out
[08:29] <Daisuke_Laptop> so possibly not well-supported yet
[08:29] <_dan_> well its new, maybe it turns out great l8er
[08:29] <_dan_> just for now it annoys me
[08:29] <_dan_> i am really looking forward to the apt enabled firefox extension
[08:29] <_dan_> anyone any idea how i can use that?
[08:31] <verb3k> _dan_, seems iteresting feature
[08:31] <_dan_> there is no way in fesity (as i know of)
[08:31] <_dan_> to disable totem and say   hey use mplayer instead
[08:31] <_dan_> without messing with uninstall or moving libs
[08:32] <_dan_> so i really welcome that feature
[08:32] <DanaG> I think having TabBrowser Extension in there is very very bad.
[08:32] <_dan_> also, gutsy supports my laptop brightness settings now out of the box which is mucho mucho love
[08:32] <verb3k> you can associate them manually ( I know globally you can't)
[08:32] <DanaG> It's a dangerous, broken (even the developer admits this) extension.
[08:32] <_dan_> verb3k how?
[08:32] <DanaG> Tab Mix Plus is way better.
[08:33] <verb3k> _dan_, oh...you're talking about Firefox?
[08:34] <_dan_> yes
[08:34] <verb3k> _dan_, sorry , I thought you were talking about desktop playback.....yes that's not easily possible
[08:35] <_dan_> but saw screenshot in gutsy with taht apt enabled thing
[08:35] <_dan_> where u can easily choose via one click
[08:35] <_dan_> but i cnat find it how to do on gutsy
[08:35] <verb3k> can you show us the link?
[08:35] <_dan_> anybody?: O
[08:35] <markus> does tribe-5 have to be dist-upgraded on release or will a simple upgrade work?
[08:36] <kurros> it's part of ubufox
[08:36] <kurros> should be installed by default
[08:36] <kurros> ubuntu-desktop depends on it
[08:37] <_dan_> yeah but how can i u know
[08:37] <_dan_> come to the selection screen
[08:37] <verb3k> by the way, I am really looking forward to FF3 it's shaping to be a big release
[08:38] <_dan_> if i want to installa extension with the aptenabled thing
[08:38] <kurros> http://www.geekport.com/files/ubufox.png
[08:38] <kurros> that?
[08:38] <_dan_> how do i do that?
[08:39] <_dan_> same feature yeah but i saw a screen but cant fint it
[08:39] <kurros> if you have the ubufox package installed its there. just click Get Ubuntu Addons in the Add-ons window
[08:39] <_dan_> its on the ubuntu site feature list for gutsy
[08:39] <_dan_> cnat find it tho
[08:40] <_dan_> where is the ubuntu site for gutsy features?
[08:41] <DanaG> Oh, and that ubufox apt also misses adblock plus.
[08:41] <_dan_> ok got it
[08:41] <_dan_> sec
[08:41] <verb3k> _dan_, launchpad.net should be the place (blueprints)
[08:42] <_dan_> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe5
[08:42] <_dan_> scroll down
[08:42] <_dan_> to new features for firfox
[08:42] <_dan_> first pic u can choose which plugin u wnat to use
[08:43] <kurros> yeah
[08:43] <Bryan> ALRIGHT
[08:43] <Bryan> SO
[08:43] <Bryan> errm...sorry about that....anyone got any ideas on why my sound just randomly decided it was not going to work after I updated (Ubuntu 7.10)?
[08:43] <TuTUXG> is there mediaubuntu repo for gutsy?
[08:44] <avatar_> yep
[08:44] <voidmage> TuTUXG: yep
[08:44] <_dan_> TuTUXG yes
[08:44] <TuTUXG> cool
[08:44] <Bryan> what is it.
[08:44] <voidmage> just replace feisty with gutsy in your sources.list
[08:44] <Bryan> k
[08:44] <verb3k> Bryan, maybe muted .....try alsamixer in terminal
[08:44] <TuTUXG> so if i want to upgrade it just change feisty to gutsy?
[08:44] <TuTUXG> cool
[08:44] <voidmage> deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy free non-free
[08:44] <voidmage> deb-src http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy free non-free
[08:45] <TuTUXG> when the beta gonna drop?
[08:45] <voidmage> soon.
[08:45] <kurros> sound is only supported on Dell(R) computers now. didnt you see the announcement?!
[08:45] <Bryan> well I do have a dell
[08:45] <_dan_> verb3k see what i mean?
[08:45] <verb3k> _dan_, yeah
[08:45] <Bryan> inspiron 1520
[08:45] <_dan_> u happen to know how i get there?
[08:45] <kurros> _dan_: like i said its part of ubufox
[08:45] <_dan_> yeah still
[08:45] <_dan_> how do i get there
[08:46] <kurros> _dan_: er, you cant manually bring up that window
[08:46] <kurros> if you dont have flash installed (it's not OOB) the first time you goto a flash page it will come up
[08:46] <kurros> same with the media plugins
[08:46] <verb3k> right
[08:46] <verb3k> it's all about the first time I think
[08:47] <_dan_> well there must be an option to later change default setting right?
[08:47] <kurros> so instead of firefox downloading the tar gz and doings its own local installation like it has in the past it can now use the repos
[08:47] <kurros> no, its not a setting
[08:47] <verb3k> why not ask the developers
[08:48] <verb3k> to make this little button thing :)
[08:48] <verb3k> shouldn't be difficult
[08:49] <_dan_> firefox misses an option completely
[08:49] <_dan_> where u can choose which is default plugin o which has priority
[08:49] <kurros> you can just uninstall your flash plugin and goto a page if you want to see it
[08:49] <_dan_> i am trying that
[08:49] <_dan_> deinstalled als flash
[08:49] <_dan_> still playing flash
[08:49] <_dan_> ehhe
[08:50] <verb3k> _dan_, ((( MAYBE removing /home/user/.mozilla/firefox will get you a clean firefox with no config))) don't really delete it ...just move it somewhere and if nothing goes as planned bring it back to it's original place
[08:50] <verb3k> note the large maybe :)
[08:51] <_dan_> ok
[08:51] <_dan_> now
[08:51] <_dan_> i need a site with flash
[08:52] <verb3k> youtube
[08:52] <_dan_> to trigger the plugin finder
[08:52] <_dan_> a got one
[08:52] <_dan_> ahaha yaeh
[08:52] <verb3k> :)
[08:52] <_dan_> so doing that for flash now for video lets see
[08:52] <verb3k> hope it works
[08:53] <verb3k> _dan_, Note that all your bookmarks are gone
[08:53] <verb3k> 100% Fresh
[08:53] <_dan_> i didnt move .mozilla
[08:53] <_dan_> just deinstalled evrything
[08:53] <_dan_> well i got gutsy on my laptop
[08:53] <_dan_> only for playing around
[08:53] <_dan_> so nothing there to save anyway
[08:54] <verb3k> ok did it work?
[08:54] <_dan_> yes
[08:54] <_dan_> got rif of lame totem
[08:54] <_dan_> replacing with vlc plugin
[08:54] <_dan_> never tried that :O
[08:54] <verb3k> _dan_, I like the way linux saves users config files
[08:55] <_dan_> who doesnt
[08:55] <DanaG> No "Documents<SPACE>and<SPACE>Settings" here
[08:55] <gaminggeek> what is wrong with totem
[08:55] <_dan_> vlc didnt work
[08:55] <DanaG> just ~.
[08:55] <_dan_> mplayer works nice
[08:55] <_dan_> thx for the help guys
[08:55] <_dan_> well i culd live with documents and setting but what i cant live is
[08:55] <verb3k> DanaG, that's right....typing that huge string is a bad idea
[08:56] <_dan_> c:\Documents bla\something\someuser\myactualuser\something\desktop\settings
[08:56] <_dan_> and then u wont find it
[08:56] <_dan_> coz its in registry
[08:56] <verb3k> don't remind of of ActiveX and registry xD
[08:57] <kurros> or you could use %HOMEPATH%
[08:57] <verb3k> ok guys I've got to go know .....see you soon
[08:58] <_dan_> anyone running generic kernel with nvidia?
[08:59] <RAOF> _dan_: Yes :)
[09:02] <DanaG> Oh hey, here's a solution to my fonts thingy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3401658
[09:03] <eMaX_> re
[09:04] <eMaX_> ne1 knows how to insert the current time in kate?
[09:04] <DanaG> I just need to figure out where to put that...
[09:06] <kurros> either /etc/fonts/fonts.conf or ~/.fonts.conf
[09:09] <_dan_> so anyone any idea why with generic kernel setting brightness wont work on my sony
[09:09] <_dan_> with 386 kernel it works
[09:11] <DanaG> I put it in a conf.d file, numbered 100.
[09:11] <DanaG> I assume it goes through in alpha/numeric order.
[09:11] <DanaG> Cool, now I can stop griping.
[09:11] <DanaG> Gotta restart Xorg.
[09:12] <eMaX> ne1 knows how to insert the current time in kate?
[09:12] <DanaG> Yay, I think it's better.
[09:13] <DanaG> I'm not sure, though.
[09:14] <DanaG> Hmm, it's not quite the same, but I can't describe how.
[09:14] <kurros> eMaX: hit F7 and type date?
[09:15] <kurros> eMaX: date hh:mm for time, i suppose
[09:19] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm not getting the same fringes ABOVE the letter 'o', so it's not quite the same rendering.
[09:19] <DanaG> Oh, what DPI should I set?
[09:19] <DanaG> (--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (98, 99); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config
[09:19] <DanaG> 98,99, or 100?
[09:19] <DanaG> The Javascript DPI Calculator says it's 99.89.
[09:20] <eMaX> kurros can I bind that to a key?
[09:21] <Bryan> alright :O I need help
[09:21] <Bryan> I'm using 7.10 and I get an error that says I don't have the right Gstreamer plugins enabled
[09:22] <RAOF> Bryan: When you do what?  I doubt that error comes up without you doing something :)
[09:22] <kurros> eMaX: dont think so
[09:22] <Bryan> when I click on the sonud icon it says "
[09:23] <eMaX> thanks anyway
[09:23] <eMaX> s
[09:23] <Bryan> The volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a card configured
[09:23] <RAOF> Bryan: Right.  So, it can't find your sound card.
[09:23] <DanaG> Heh, editable menu shortcuts.
[09:23] <DanaG> That's a way to wreak havok.
[09:23] <DanaG> s/ok/oc/
[09:23] <Bryan> RAOF, well it started getting screws after the updates
[09:24] <Bryan> after I installed 7.10 it was fine Out of the box. Then I updated and shite hit the fan.
[09:24] <RAOF> Bryan: Right.  Happen to know what got updated?  Probably linux-ubuntu-b
[09:24] <Bryan> umm
[09:24] <RAOF> Bryan: Oh, you updated from *Feisty*?
[09:24] <Bryan> no
[09:24] <Bryan> it was a clean install
[09:24] <Bryan> and then I used the update manager
[09:25] <RAOF> Right.
[09:25] <RAOF> So, something has killed your sound card driver.  I'd guess either: and incomplete kernel upgrade, or someone broke one of the drivers.
[09:25] <Bryan> I'm guessing so
[09:25] <Bryan> I have a dell insprion 1520
[09:25] <Bryan> if that helps
[09:25] <DanaG> Oh yeah, if you custom-compile alsa-hg, you have to remove the linux-ubuntu-modules hda-intel.
[09:26] <Bryan> but I didn't custon compile
[09:26] <Bryan> I just let update manager do what it likes to do...
[09:26] <awk_> hi everyone, is there a beta release today?
[09:26] <RAOF> awk_: No, that's last week :P
[09:27] <awk_> really?
[09:27] <rents> hi, can somebody tell me why some gnome applets won't start after relogin? is it a bug?
[09:27] <RAOF> awk_: No.  See /topic :)
[09:30] <RAOF> Bryan: Hm.  Make sure you've got "linux-generic" installed...
[09:30] <Bryan> yep
[09:31] <Bryan> 2.6.22.12.15
[09:32] <RAOF> Gah.
[09:34] <Bryan> alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
[09:34] <Bryan> 
[09:34] <Bryan> if that helps :o
[09:34] <RAOF> Not really.  It just tells me that the driver isn't working.
[09:35] <Bryan> mk
[09:35] <Bryan> should I remove alsa-base and reinstall it?
[09:36] <RAOF> Probably not, that's unlikely to be where your driver resides.
[09:36] <Bryan> okay
[09:38] <Bryan> brb
[09:39] <rents> hi, can somebody tell me why some gnome applets (i.e trash & notes) won't start after relogin? is it a bug?
[09:39] <PTK> hey
[09:41] <RAOF> rents: I seem to see that after switching Xgl<->Xorg & not restarting.  I'm not sure why.
[09:41] <PTK> I'm getting random X freezes with compiz fusion, I can still SSH in, music continues to play, and i can sysreq-k to kill X (not ctrl-alt-backspace though, and I can't switch to a VT either) is this a known bug? is there a fix?
[09:43] <rents> i log out and right back in, without restarting, gnome trash and notes cannon't start and i'm asked if i want to remove them from panel
[09:45] <RAOF> rents: Ok, I don't see that.
[09:48] <cypherdelic> SEND L3 ERROR: 157 byte packet (0800:01) destined to 221.124.15.89 was not forwarded (libnet_write_raw_ipv4(): -1 bytes written (Operation not permitted)
[09:48] <cypherdelic> )
[09:48] <cypherdelic> I try to MITM with ettercap, but kernel seems not o supor ip4 forwarding
[09:48] <cypherdelic> SEND L3 ERROR: 157 byte packet (0800:01) destined to 221.124.15.89 was not forwarded (libnet_write_raw_ipv4(): -1 bytes written (Operation not permitted)
[09:49] <cypherdelic> i can see all the connections, but no password is beieing sniffed, and arp-poisoning had no successs
[09:50] <DanaG>  sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
[09:50] <cypherdelic> any ideas how to activate that?
[09:50] <cypherdelic> wll it work after restart?
[09:50] <DanaG> Put it in /etc/rc.local
[09:50] <cypherdelic> permanently or do i have to reenable?
[09:51] <cypherdelic> hm ok, but doesnt sudo requieres my pass at boot up?
[09:52] <nanonyme> erm, arp poisoning? what on earth is going on?
[09:52] <nanonyme> should i get my gun?
[09:52] <cypherdelic> why?
[09:53] <nanonyme> in case you're planning to do it on another network than your own :p
[09:53] <cypherdelic> ive got the right to sniff traffic in my LAN, and becaueit is my SWITCH i can do arp poisoning, as i like
[09:53] <cypherdelic> ok?
[09:54] <cypherdelic> but i cant even sniff my own passwords...
[09:54] <cypherdelic> ;D
[09:54] <nanonyme> sounds quite good security ;)
[09:54] <cypherdelic> no sound like a bad auditor
[09:55] <cypherdelic> 4g8 is bullshit, it redirects the traffic to me, but the connection that has been redirected, has been terminated
[09:56] <cypherdelic> the url of my second pc were send to pc1, but pc2 cant connect, so no login can proceed
[09:56] <cypherdelic> and no pw can be sniffed
[09:57] <cypherdelic> combo of dsnsiff, arpspoof is cooler
[09:58] <DanaG> What exactly is  "macintosh mouse button emulation" ?
[10:02] <DanaG> heh, this confused me for a moment: Packet Engines 'Hamachi' GNIC-II Gigabit Ethernet driver
[10:02] <DanaG> I thought it was a driver for the Hamachi software.
[10:05] <DanaG> woah, I just found a bug in the radeonhd-dbg package description:
[10:06] <DanaG> Somebody pasted the description of Intel instead of the thing saying what "debug" is.
[10:06] <RAOF> DanaG: That's awesome.  File a bug :)
[10:06] <DanaG> It has "supports ATI cards .... yadda yadda yadda.   This driver supports Intel ..... yadda yadda.
[10:06] <DanaG> "
[10:18] <Bryan> RAOF, did you happen to figure anything out ?
[10:18] <RAOF> Bryan: About your sound?  No, sorry.
[10:18] <Bryan> drat
[10:20] <Bryan> what is the command to list your sound devices?
[10:21] <RAOF> You may be interested in wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems
[10:24] <hafizan> hello
[10:28] <cypherdelic> SEND L3 ERROR: 28 byte packet (0800:01) destined to 192.168.0.1 was not forwarded (libnet_write_raw_ipv4(): -1 bytes written (Operation not permitted)
[10:28] <cypherdelic> after reboot i still get this error
[10:29] <cypherdelic> sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1
[10:29] <cypherdelic> exit 0
[10:29] <cypherdelic>  --- rc.local
[10:31] <slackern> cypherdelic: is sudo needed in rc.local? it's executed by root anyhow
[10:34] <nanonyme> probably not
[10:38] <jim> cypherdelic: ahh,,, so you're setting your own thing up, your own rules etc... good! but... #networking, #iptables, #netfilter.
[10:39] <jim> or, try ipmasq
[10:39] <rents> i log out and right back in, without restarting, gnome trash and notes cannon't start and i'm asked if i want to remove them from panel
[10:39] <cypherdelic> no i want kernel ip4 forwarding just o be permanently enabled
[10:39] <rents> hi, can somebody tell me why some gnome applets (i.e trash & notes) won't start after relogin? is it a bug?
[10:41] <RAOF> rents: Yes, it's a bug.
[10:42] <rents> whyy, whyyy meee
[10:42] <cypherdelic> i got it with a simple ttercap starting script:
[10:42] <cypherdelic> gksu 'sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1' && gksu 'airmon-ng start eth1' && gksu 'ettercap --gtk'
[10:43] <RAOF> rents: Because you decided to test it for us.
[10:43] <amio> hi can I get some help please?
[10:45] <rents> :)
[10:46] <rents> RAOF, can i maybe find some log about this?
[10:47] <amio> hi can I get some help please? I have ati rv3500 ubuntu reads it as fglrx (because there is always a restricted file to install its name is fglrx, on 7.4 I had no problem with beryl runing and default feiisty effects but now when I upgraded all seems to be wrong. I can not start the advanced compiz appereance either if I install or not install the restriceted driver also beryl doesnt work. graphic card seems not working correctly because th
[10:47] <amio> e pc is very slow and when I move any window it doesnt move smoothly
[10:48] <hafizan> amio
[10:48] <hafizan> you install beryl ?
[10:48] <hafizan> how?
[10:49] <RAOF> hafizan: You don't.
[10:49] <amio> hafizan I have beryl but you mean how on 7.4 or gutsy?
[10:50] <RAOF> rents: I'm not sure where logs would be.  You could just file a bug against the package that contains those applets at bugs.ubuntu.com, and the person who looks at it may have a better idea of how to proceed.
[10:50] <RAOF> hafizan: Gutsy comes out of the box with compiz-fusion, which is what beryl has become.
[10:50] <rents> ok
[10:52] <hafizan> i'm using the 7.10
[10:52] <hafizan> one thing missing here or i didn't know the comman d for cube effect
[10:53] <RAOF> hafizan: You can install the "compizconfig-settings-manager" package, and that goes to system->preferences-
[10:53] <amio> hafizan what you mean? are you having beryl or the default gutsy effects?
[10:53] <RAOF> >advanced desktop effects.
[10:53] <hafizan> advance desktop effects
[10:55] <amio> well I tried myself this advanced by installing compiz-fusion but it did not work with me the oposite I lost all the effects the commmand for rotating the cube is ctrl+alt+ right or left button but anyway I have itworkingnow with beryl just needed to install beryl by adding the DEB  to the session
[10:55] <hafizan> how to install the  compizconfig-settings-manager
[10:55] <RAOF> !synaptic
[10:55] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[10:55] <RAOF> hafizan: ^^^
[10:55] <hafizan> okay
[10:56] <RAOF> hafizan: Also, if you're unsure about how to install packages, I'd *strongly* recommend using a released version of Ubuntu.  Gutsy will almost certainly break between here and release.
[10:56] <amio> hafizan this is all in synaptic just go there ctrl+f then type compiz see all about compiz and what you can install
[10:56] <amio> I HAVE ALOT OF breaks
[10:57] <amio> all is mess the graphic drivers are not working correctly I dont know even how to reinstall the ati driver which I have does any one know about that?
[10:58] <hafizan> thanks alot
[10:58] <amio> its alright
[10:59] <hafizan> but why in default gusty didn't support intel motherboard sound driver.
[10:59] <amio> well its still lets say like a beta
[10:59] <amio> its not perfect yet the final release will be in october I think 14th
[10:59] <hafizan> ohh
[11:00] <amio> still with alot of bugs
[11:00] <hafizan> for now i  just sound problem,but have been solved
[11:01] <hafizan> other fine
[11:01] <amio> I have problem with the driver only of ati its not working
[11:01] <amio> and can not start the effects at all gives me an error
[11:02] <amio> nor default effects neither beryl
[11:04] <DanaG> Odd: when I shut down, my system does a reboot instead.
[11:09] <hafizan> which one the cube effect up and down
[11:09] <defcon_> isnt the beta supposed to be released today?
[11:09] <_dan_> guess so
[11:09] <hafizan> i try   crtl alt up  and down doesn't work
[11:11] <defcon_> https://iso.qa.stgraber.org <-- beta right?
[11:13] <ikonia_> doesn't look official
[11:14] <RAOF> defcon_: Not yet, although it may become the beta disc.  Anyway, the beta disc is unlikely to look substantially different.
[11:14] <defcon_> ok
[11:14] <ramvi> Just got home from work. Ready to squeeze those bugs!
[11:22] <unggnu> hi all
[11:22] <unggnu> Somebody using compiz with resolution of 1680x1050 or higher?
[11:24] <RAOF> Yes, me.
[11:29] <gnomefreak> who was it that had issue supgrading with envy instralled?
[11:29] <gnomefreak> .win 12
[11:30] <Morrowyn> hi
[11:30] <Morrowyn> when 7.10 is release, can i easily upgrade to it from 7.04 ?
[11:30] <Morrowyn> released^
[11:32] <RAOF> Yes
[11:33] <slackern> Is Gnome 2.20 slightly faster now or is it just another thing of my imagination or maybe it's Gutsy in general compared to Feisty?
[11:35] <defcon_> ok this is a serious bug that effects thousands of people that run the ralink chipsets "https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/34902" will this be fixed in gutsy?
[11:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 34902 in ubuntu "Ralink Wireless legacy drivers (rt2500 rt61 rt73 rt2570) USB/PCMCIA/PCI hangs PC" [High,Confirmed] 
[11:35] <defcon_>  all tribe versions havnt fixed it yet
[11:36] <RAOF> defcon_: Since the bug doesn't say "fix released", I'd guess not
[11:36] <defcon_> damn that sucks, these people wont even be able to boot up
[11:36] <defcon_> i cant even boot gutsy it kernel panics
[11:37] <RAOF> Ow
[11:42] <unggnu> RAOF, which graphic card?
[11:43] <unggnu> defcon_, there is still some time but if it is a complicated bug
[11:44] <RAOF> unggnu: nvidia.  Even on ATI or Intel that should work.
[11:46] <unggnu> RAOF, No, Ati and compiz only work with Xgl afaik.
[11:46] <unggnu> RAOF, I have an Intel 915 chipset and 1680x1050 on my external screen lags.
[11:46] <RAOF> unggnu: Depends on the card (or rather, the driver), and anyway, it should still work.
[11:46] <unggnu> 1366x768 works fine so I am not sure if it is only a performance problem.
[11:48] <RAOF> unggnu: You're not using Xgl?  It may just be a performance problem though, yes
[11:48] <unggnu> RAOF, Afaik desktop effects using aiglx on Feisty/Gutsy so there is no need for a sepparate X server.
[11:49] <RAOF> More or less true.
[11:49] <RAOF> But you can use xgl if you like.
[11:49] <RAOF> It's probably a performance problem, though.
[11:50] <unggnu> I guess so but it is a big performance difference while resolution difference isn't that huge.
[11:51] <unggnu> Is there any "tunning howto" for compiz?
[11:52] <spikeb> heh
[11:52] <spikeb> i wish
[11:52] <spikeb> compiz bogs down my machine like crazy if i use it
[11:55] <ramvi_> what time is the beta due?
[11:57] <defcon_> dunno, if I install gutsy beta will it upgrade itself to the final?
[11:57] <defcon_> without probs?
[12:00] <slackern> !upgrade
[12:00] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:00] <slackern> bah
[12:01] <slackern> defcon_: It should, but it's still in development so nothing is certain :)
[12:01] <defcon_> ;] 
[12:03] <ramvi_> Well, not automatically...
[12:05] <jscinoz> Is it possible to get audio output over HDMI with the snd-hda-intel alsa driver? If so how?
[12:05] <slackern> !final | defcon_
[12:05] <ubotu> defcon_: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.
[12:06] <slackern> took me a while to figure out what the command for that was :)
[12:06] <defcon_> ;] 
[12:06] <defcon_> is it a bad idea to dist upgrade from fiesty to gutsy?
[12:07] <slackern> defcon_: I did it once just to try and it worked for me, im now running a tribe5 clean installation though just to try it out that way
[12:07] <_dan_> defcon_ yes
[12:07] <defcon_> i thought so
[12:09] <slackern> phew, had headache for the last 12 hours and it finally went away \o/
[12:09] <defcon_> same here lol
[12:09] <defcon_> Excedrin rocks
[12:09] <slackern> hehe
[12:14] <SpiritD> is it today that the gutsy beta comes out???
[12:15] <defcon_> yes
[12:15] <defcon_> sometime today
[12:15] <SpiritD> oki
[12:15] <jscinoz> gutsy beta?
[12:16] <jscinoz> arent we already using that
[12:16] <SpiritD> no idea what time or nefing?
[12:16] <jscinoz> or are we using alpha?
[12:16] <ramvi_> yep
[12:16] <SpiritD> tribe 5
[12:17] <SpiritD> defcon_, do you know if it will just be an update for the tribe systems?
[12:17] <zerwas> Does somebody know if there is an open bug report for the slow loading icons in "Applications Places System"?
[12:17] <defcon_> yes
[12:17] <jscinoz> whats final gutsy release date? oct19?
[12:17] <defcon_> just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade from tribe
[12:17] <defcon_> 18th
[12:19] <jscinoz> Is it possible to get audio output over HDMI with the snd-hda-intel alsa driver? If so how?
[12:19] <ikonia_> jscinoz you just asked that in #ubuntu
[12:20] <rom1v> gnomefreak: where can I contact asak
[12:20] <jscinoz> yeah... but different people here, maybe another chance :P
[12:20] <AnRkey> I am having some problems with apt-get and the hotkey-setup package. Not sure if it's a bug. Here is my output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38791/ Can some1 take a look at it for me?
[12:20] <darkstar> hi everybody. can anyone tell me why after installing tribe 5 i386 and applying proposed updates, I find myself with a X86_64 system, now?
[12:21] <ikonia_> jscinoz: no - you're asking in in appropriate channels, your not running gusty - this channel is for gusty support, not a back up if you don't get an answer in #ubuntu
[12:21] <ikonia_> darkstar you installed the the wrong cd ?
[12:21] <AnRkey> darkstar, you sure you downloaded the correct ISO?
[12:21] <neildarlow> darkstar: maybe proposed-updates isn't in place for an unreleased version and it's broken
[12:21] <darkstar> Nope. installed i386 and was asked to apply 480+ updates...
[12:21] <darkstar> I am positive.
[12:22] <AnRkey> hmm
[12:22] <AnRkey> odd
[12:22] <jscinoz> well bye
[12:22] <darkstar> It basically ran a distribution upgrade, instead..
[12:22] <ikonia_> darkstar it can't update from 32 to 64
[12:22] <darkstar> Not that I am complaining about it. Just looks funny to me
[12:22] <ikonia_> it must be the wrong cd
[12:23] <darkstar> ikonia_: I am positive it is an i386
[12:23] <darkstar> ikonia_: that's why it looked strange..
[12:26] <darkstar> neildarlow:  as I said it looks weird to me
[12:26] <ikonia_> darkstar can't be
[12:27] <neildarlow> darkstar: did you really expect it to work?
[12:28] <darkstar> all: I am as amazed as you guys are. I installed the i3
[12:28] <ikonia_> maybe the name on the cdrom was wrong
[12:28] <ikonia_> as you can't update from 32 to 64 bit
[12:29] <scizzo-> darkstar: run: uname -a
[12:29] <scizzo-> paste the full line in here
[12:29] <darkstar> but installed packages were NOT deb64!
[12:29] <scizzo-> or if you are using irssi: /exec -o uname -a
[12:29] <scizzo-> Linux psycho 2.6.22-12-server #1 SMP Thu Sep 20 19:25:44 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[12:30] <darkstar> When I ran update manager and accepted proposed upgrades it went through a complete deb64 install
[12:30] <scizzo-> is the result in that case
[12:31] <scizzo-> darkstar: you say you are positive and not complaining but still you are not following the instructions to get information about the computer so we can see what is going on with the machine
[12:31] <ikonia_> darkstar run uname -a
[12:32] <darkstar> Linux w62-gutsy 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 20:03:18 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:32] <scizzo-> nice
[12:32] <scizzo-> he does it when ikonia_ asks
[12:32] <ikonia_> thats not possible
[12:32] <darkstar> scizzo: nice what
[12:32] <scizzo-> I am out of here
[12:32] <ikonia_> you can't update from 32 bit
[12:32] <darkstar> You gottra believe me..
[12:33] <darkstar> Alright, then. suppose this can't be. What happened, then?
[12:33] <AnRkey> I am having some problems with apt-get and the hotkey-setup package. Not sure if it's a bug. Here is my output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38791/ Can some1 take a look at it for me?
[12:33] <scizzo-> darkstar: mount the CD you installed from and then let someone help you to look at the CD to confirm that the image is actually correct
[12:34] <darkstar> scizzo, hold on. I'll mount the install CD
[12:36] <ikonia_> darkstar did you install from cd or from the upgrade process ?
[12:37] <scizzo-> ikonia_: CD -> Update to gutsy
[12:37] <ikonia_> so a fesity cd install then an update to gusty
[12:37] <scizzo-> ikonia_: he says that the update to gutsy was causing the 32bit to 64bit
[12:37] <ikonia_> I can't accept that
[12:37] <ikonia_> it can't update an arch
[12:37] <scizzo-> ikonia_: well either that....or from tribe 5 CD
[12:37] <darkstar> ikonica_: from the CD and I just found out that it is an AMD64 architechture... Sorry for the panica I caused :)
[12:37] <ikonia_> I knew it
[12:38] <scizzo-> darkstar: ok.....as you can see its often easier to do one thing at the time
[12:38] <darkstar> scizzo: one thing at the time menaing what?
[12:39] <scizzo-> darkstar: error searching
[12:40] <darkstar> scizzo: right... But I finished installing and upgrading about two hours ago.... SHould have taken more time to think about it. You're right.
[12:41] <panosru> how to install flash player on firefox ? (i'm on gutsy 64bit)
[12:41] <ikonia_> gnash is the only option
[12:41] <ikonia_> and its buggy
[12:41] <panosru> hm..
[12:41] <darkstar> panosru: like I did: install ia32libs..
[12:41] <panosru> ok i will install 32bit libs an then install firefox 32bit and install plugins?
[12:42] <darkstar> should work.
[12:42] <_dan_> dont use 64bit when u dont need it
[12:42] <ikonia_> and there is the key advice
[12:42] <_dan_> no point in doing so imho
[12:42] <ikonia_> and the advice thats most ignored as 64 bit is twice as fast as 32 bit.....etc
[12:44] <afief> Shouldn't the Beta release be today?
[12:44] <darkstar> ikonia_: it's not that. Can't be twice as fast as the 32 bit. However if you install a development version, like you and I did, why not installing your architecture and get along with all its problems?
[12:45] <ikonia_> darkstar of course its not twice as fast, I was being sarcastic, but thats what all the people who ignore the advice say
[12:46] <Tomcat_> It's still a good idea to use 64 bit when it's available. :)
[12:47] <Tomcat_> No use staying on old technology all the time...
[12:47] <ikonia_> Tomcat_ depends on your needs
[12:47] <_dan_> no its not a good idea actually
[12:47] <darkstar> Right... Still I suppose if you install an unstable branch of no  matters which distribution you know you're going to face issues. That said, this makes me think installing your own architecture is a right choice
[12:47] <_dan_> just gives u trouble and no speed increase *at all*
[12:48] <Tomcat_> But I'm rather using 32bit with 64bit CPU because there are too many disadvantages on 64bit.
[12:48] <darkstar> _da_ why not dropping x86_64 completely, then? what is the use of spending thousands of hours developing an otherwise useless architechture?
[12:49] <ikonia_> darkstar because thats how it develops
[12:49] <ikonia_> and its not usless
[12:49] <_dan_> some say its very usefull for servers
[12:49] <_dan_> when u have big ram sizes
[12:49] <ikonia_> its massivly useful for server and specific desktop requirments
[12:49] <_dan_> since u can addrss more ram
[12:49] <darkstar> Yes but to keep it under development you need guys who install it, run it and crash it, right?
[12:49] <ikonia_> yes
[12:50] <ikonia_> people who can feedback on it
[12:50] <ikonia_> not say "I want flash to work please fix"
[12:51] <darkstar> well we'll all get to the point of having flash animations working under 64b
[12:51] <ikonia_>  you're missing the point
[12:52] <darkstar> I dont't tjink so, ikonia. Just as a choice of freedom i believe that one should install a development version 8either a stable one) of choice. Then he/she should get along with the issues deriving from his/her choice. Just like life...
[12:53] <neildarlow> how about installing 64 bit on a 64 bit system and running 32 bit virualized?
[12:53] <neildarlow> s/virualized/virtualized/
[12:53] <darkstar> need to get some food. BRB
[12:53] <ikonia_> neildarlow done that many times
[12:53] <ikonia_> an excellent development aid
[12:54] <neildarlow> and you confine 32 bit operation/breakage to its own environment
[12:54] <Ng> is there a "correct" way to do encrypted home partitions in Gutsy?
[12:54] <Ng> I don't wanna do it in a way that won't be automatically loved in Hardy ;)
[12:55] <_dan_> well
[12:55] <_dan_> yes
[12:55] <_dan_> its eazy woth PAM
[12:55] <_dan_> crypto home gets mounted when u login
[12:55] <_dan_> there is a howto *somewhere* on forums/wiki
[12:57] <Ng> ok I'll have a look, thanks
[12:58] <Xero> Can you 'nest' VMs within each other?
[12:59] <neildarlow> Xero: virtualizing virtual hardware. might be problematic
[01:01] <Xero> I'm not talking virtual virtual hardware, I'm talking virtual virtual virtual virtual hardware
[01:01] <neildarlow> Xero: most likely to be problematic :)
[01:01] <SpiritD> oO
[01:03] <Xero> gtg
[01:06] <branstrom> How do I get rid of the dialog "The X system keyboard settings differ from your current GNOME keyboard settings" ? How do I set my GNOME keyboard layout?
[01:06] <branstrom> It always pops up when I log in
[01:23] <rhYaN`> hello
[01:23] <rhYaN`> how to set into starup my apache, mysql, im using xampp
[01:24] <Pici> rhYaN`: On Gutsy?
[01:24] <rhYaN`> im using ubuntu 7.04
[01:24] <rhYaN`> fiesty
[01:24] <Pici> rhYaN`: The support channel for 7.04 is #ubuntu, this current channel is only for 7.10/Gutsy.
[01:25] <rhYaN`> ahh ok tnx
[01:25] <rhYaN`> by the way, what is the difference of fiesty and gutsy?
[01:25] <_dan_> gutsy is the current development version of ubuntu
[01:26] <_dan_> its not released yet
[01:26] <rhYaN`> ahh ok... when the gutsy will be release?
[01:26] <_dan_> half a month or so
[01:26] <_dan_> see topic for concrete date
[01:27] <rhYaN`> is beryl compatible in that version?
[01:27] <Pici> rhYaN`: Gutsy will include compiz-fusion by default.
[01:28] <rhYaN`> what do you mean by that?
[01:28] <rhYaN`> sorry this is my first time inn linux
[01:28] <avatar_> today beta1 will be released
[01:29] <Pici> rhYaN`: Its a newer version of Beryl
[01:29] <rhYaN`> ahh ok very nice... brb i take my dinner :D
[01:30] <rom1v> beta1 of what?
[01:30] <Pici> rom1v: Gutsy...
[01:31] <rom1v> if I have tribes5
[01:31] <rom1v> and I update from apt-get
[01:31] <Pici> !final | rom1v
[01:31] <rom1v> it's the same?
[01:31] <ubotu> rom1v: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.
[01:31] <rom1v> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[01:31] <rom1v> oups
[01:31] <rom1v> I believed I was in the konsole :)
[01:31] <rom1v> ok
[01:31] <Pici> :)
[01:32] <_dan_> rhYaN` if thats ya first ime, dont use an unstable distribution
[01:32] <rom1v> -believed +thought
[01:32] <_dan_> use 7.04
[01:32] <phire> odd
[01:33] <phire> my /proc/bus/usb is empty
[01:35] <phire> ah, mounting usbfs in it fixes it
[01:43] <_dan_> uuh
[01:43] <_dan_> 32bit emu on 64bit linux has local root exploit
[01:48] <rhYaN`> hi, no body answer my concern in #ubuntu
[01:48] <rhYaN`> any one can help me here?
[01:50] <_dan_> u can try postin a question@ubuntu forums
[01:50] <_dan_> ppl are usually very helpfull there
[01:54] <Pici> rhYaN`: I sent you a response in #ubuntu, did you see it?
[01:54] <Pici> rhYaN`: er, nevermind
[02:08] <nikolam> Hmm I have "raid" option in bios but xbuntu amd64 7.04 wont boot with that set on.
[02:08] <nikolam> Does Gutsy can use fakeraid (dmraid) setups?
[02:09] <nikolam> Or to coexist with linux software raid together with win`s software raid with Bios support (dmraid)?
[02:09] <stefg> nikolam: you need the alternate installer for raid setups
[02:09] <nikolam> i know. Only alternate i u se nayway
[02:10] <nikolam> Question is how to boot system when that sotware raid is enabled in bios.
[02:10] <stefg> usually the kernel doesn't use the fajeraid onboard controllers, but presents the disks separate, so you can use lvm on tehm
[02:11] <nikolam> But if I use LVM, i cant use bios`s fake raid on win and have dual boot?
[02:11] <stefg> nikolam: you have to find a proper driver if you want to use the fakeraid controller on your mobo
[02:11] <nikolam> I know that win part.
[02:12] <nikolam> Lin. Part with grub/dual boot and lvm as you sugessted is unknown.
[02:12] <Eq|work> it's a really really bad idea
[02:12] <Eq|work> it WILL cause issues
[02:12] <Eq|work> and most likely WILL break
[02:12] <Eq|work> and you CANNOT migrate the drives to other boards
[02:12] <nikolam> i currently use dual boot with non-raid win and linux software raid without lvm
[02:13] <stefg> so what's wrong with taht ?
[02:13] <nikolam> I also have software raid option in XP. It works
[02:14] <nikolam> But don`t know how to make both xp`s and linux software raids to dual boot
[02:14] <hylje> cross-platform software raid is asking for trouble
[02:14] <stefg> Fakeraid controllers a usually a stupid idea... the CPU does the work anyway, so why add extra complexity
[02:14] <nikolam> Maybe 1. make xp sof raid 2. install linux soft raid 2. grub install and dual boot.
[02:15] <nikolam> I know. So, anyway, i should turn it off in bios and use both software raids, but XP software raid uses only altered ntfs disks, I cant install linux on..
[02:16] <nikolam> So my thinking is give xp its fake raid on partition and use linux soft raid on the rest of the space.
[02:17] <nikolam> But i think that I cant install linux on dmraid device or grub on disk with fakeraid setup on partition.
[02:20] <chronographer> Hi all I got a problem in gutsy, I cannot run both dual monitors (set up in Screens and Graphics) and also compiz at the same time. If dual screens is on, compiz segfaults if dual screens off, compiz is fine.
[02:21] <chronographer> so... Can anyone recommend a fix? i.e. should I try to run compiz on one screen while not on the other? or should I set up dual monitors differntly?
[02:22] <nikolam> Hmm. Will it work if one X session is started on one monitor and another session on other monitor?
[02:22] <chronographer> I don't know, i never tried that
[02:23] <chronographer> sounds complex
[02:23] <chronographer> the other monitor is a tv. used for playing movies and kids shows
[02:23] <chronographer> in my other install i have it set up as a unique monitor, but I think gutsys control panel makes it all one wide desktop
[02:24] <nikolam> when I type startx (or when you login throught gdm) it reads some setup. But what if you start another X from console (alt+F2) that have ist own xorg conf , its ogn second gdm etc etc..
[02:26] <chronographer> unfortunately that still sounds too hard. If I do that, i will need to remote desktop in to change things like, play a movie over there. mousing around on a 640 tv screen sucks
[02:26] <chronographer> I might fiddle with my xorg again, try a different method of dual monitor stuff.  maybe nvidias gui?
[02:26] <nikolam> You switch X server with ctrl+alt+F7, F8,F9.. :)
[02:27] <chronographer> ok.. so I could have one with two screens, one with conmpiz eh?
[02:28] <chronographer> can I set F7 to use a certain xorg, and F8 another?
[02:28] <nikolam> I can log multiple users and start multiple X sessions on same monitor. But never tried with multiple monitors. But should not be a problem. Just choose where (on what display) should it put its output in second X setup, I think..
[02:30] <nikolam> Yes , i think. but dont know about if compiz takes over it completely. i would: Start compiz on one (with no dual monitor) and go to console alt-F2 and atart another X but making shure to pass it options for startin on another monitor.
[02:30] <nikolam> Never tryed it actually, just gessing.
[02:30] <chronographer> yreah ok. how do you set it to use a different xorg?
[02:31] <nikolam> I think like passing some option eather if you start gdm or if you start startx directly.
[02:31] <ReL1K> anyone here listen to sirius? if so what are they using to play it?
[02:31] <ReL1K> can't get sipie to work
[02:31] <nikolam> see some manual on startx for second xorg.conf and diplay choose.  Didnt tryed that reely.
[02:32] <chronographer> ok
[02:32] <chronographer> never heard sirius
[02:34] <martalli> Since I disabled xgl, gutsy seems to be working OK.  Here's to the upcoming beta release!
[02:34] <ReL1K> sirius satellite radio?
[02:36] <rom1v> where can I download kubuntu gutsy beta
[02:36] <kwadronaut> any plans to fix gutsy's ekiga with the upstream debian fix? (symbol lookup errors )
[02:36] <kwadronaut> rom1v: get the server install and apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[02:37] <rom1v> I have kubuntu-gutsy tribes 5 in cd, there isn't kubuntu gutsy beta
[02:37] <rom1v> directly with kde?
[02:37] <ReL1K> rom1v, google download kubuntu gutsty
[02:37] <martalli> rom1v: Also you could check google and find: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/
[02:37] <ReL1K> rom1v, tribe is beta
[02:37] <avatar_> kwadronaut: check your mirror again
[02:37] <ReL1K> well pretty much, its not officially beta yet
[02:37] <avatar_> ReL1K: tribe is alpha
[02:38] <rom1v> but some said beta was out today
[02:38] <martalli> I thought the tribe was alpha....but the beta is scheduled to come out today
[02:38] <martalli> There haven't been many updates from the servers for a day or so...I guess they have frozen everything for the beta
[02:38] <ReL1K> avatar_: pretty much exactly what i said
[02:38] <Hobbsee> tribe is alpha, beta will be out today
[02:38] <rom1v> ok
[02:38] <Hobbsee> and you guys fail at patience.
[02:38] <chronographer> i just install gutsy today. it recognised all my hardware, even installed my printer automagically!
[02:39] <rom1v> great!
[02:39] <rom1v> I installed gutsy for that reason, my hardware  was not recognized
[02:39] <rom1v> by feisty
[02:39] <martalli> Hobbsee: I have plenty of patience.  I have been on the alpha for a month and a half =)
[02:39] <Hobbsee> :P
[02:39] <rom1v> but I have a bug with my wifi driver
[02:39] <rom1v> I can't use my wifi card:(
[02:39] <chronographer> just cant use my tv as second screen and compiz at the same time...
[02:39] <chronographer> damn. that sucks
[02:39] <rom1v> it strange because some people with exactly the same computer can
[02:39] <chronographer> google it!  you will find a solution!
[02:39] <rom1v> I reported the bug
[02:40] <sindile_> how do you connect to bluetooth get this error obex://[00:12:62:5d:58:e9] " is not a valid location with BluetoothManager
[02:40] <rom1v> "google it!  you will find a solution!"
[02:40] <rom1v> I took about 8h
[02:40] <rom1v> to find a solution
[02:40] <rom1v> but there wasn't
[02:40] <rom1v> :(
[02:40] <chronographer> I tried to converty a friend but his touchscreen (tablet pc) wouldn't work... so he stuck with XP
[02:40] <qzio> rom1v: tried the madwifi driver?
[02:40] <chronographer> damn... 8 hours is a long time
[02:40] <rom1v> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/144882
[02:40] <rom1v> here is my bug
[02:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144882 in network-manager "ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH] : Operation not supported" [Undecided,Incomplete] 
[02:40] <qzio> oh wait, what kind of card is it?
[02:40] <ReL1K> anyone got dual heads working on t61 intel drivers?
[02:44] <jiphex> Hello, just downloaded the CD testing ISO version of gutsy and tried an install, but it chose the migration assistant by default (didn't ask me), and now the migration assistant has failed at 88% installation and the installation has stalled
[02:44] <Laibsch> When calling "man" under edgy, the info page would "remain on-screen" after quiting the man page.  That is not the case anymore with gutsy.  Is that configurable?
[02:45] <Laibsch> Take a look at http://oz.leggewie.org/tmp.txt for a better, more graphical explanation of what I mean.
[02:45] <jiphex> my error > http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38802
[02:46] <kwadronaut> avatar_: no luck... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/opal/+bug/117732
[02:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117732 in ekiga "ABI changed without a corresponding soname change" [High,Fix committed] 
[02:46] <kwadronaut> fix committed but not yet in repo.
[02:48] <Trewas> Laibsch: that depends on the pager and what it does when it quits, it can be changed with "update-alternatives --config pager" (as root)
[02:50] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[02:50] <contrast83> My Compiz is completely screwed - http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=516373 Any ideas?
[02:50] <ReL1K> anyone know how to change from metacity?
[02:51] <Laibsch> Trewas: Both boxes are configured the same, IOW they use less
[02:52] <chronographer> compiz --replace
[02:52] <chronographer> or metacity --replace
[02:52] <chronographer> to go back
[02:53] <mrtimdog> Laibsch: it may also depend on the terminals capabilities.
[02:54] <Trewas> Laibsch: "more" as pager here leaves the text and "most" and "less" clear it, but maybe the terminal etc also affects it
[02:54] <Laibsch> mrtimdog: Thanks for the hint.  It seems I have hit some problems there that I wanted to adress at a later time (encoding problems).  How do I find out about the terminal capabilities and how to I fix them?
[02:55] <Laibsch> mrtimdog: TERMCAP?
[02:55] <mikedep333> hey, I am interested in grabbing the official beta release since the 9/25.2 build seems to have a failing installer for me. Is it available in CD form yet (my net connection is too slow to download the dvd)?
[02:55] <avatar_> mikedep333: check releases.ubuntu.com
[02:56] <mikedep333> thx
[02:56] <mikedep333> I was looking at cdimage.ubuntu.com
[02:56] <Ng> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta :)
[02:58] <Laibsch> Trewas & mrtimdog: Looks like setting TERMCAP is at least not sufficient
[02:58] <unggnu> Anybody here with intel graphic?
[02:58] <mrtimdog> Laibsch: what's your TERM env var set to, is it the same in both terms?
[02:59] <Trewas> Laibsch: setting TERM to vt100 instead of the default xterm seems to change it
[02:59] <Ng> unggnu: I have an i855GM
[02:59] <Laibsch> Trewas & mrtimdog: this does not seem to be a gutsy vs edgy issue
[02:59] <branstrom> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta#head-c37ee1849c1c754f07736bf7d37acd0592a198c4 "Dynamic screen configuration" sounds interesting for my TV-out setup. I haven't got it working yet...
[02:59] <branstrom> How would I enable xrandr?
[03:00] <ReL1K> unggnu, yes alot of us
[03:00] <ReL1K> and they are still buggy
[03:00] <ReL1K> mines still blacklisted
[03:00] <Laibsch> Trewas & mrtimdog: It does not work in a regular shell (IOW xterm) on the edgy box
[03:00] <unggnu> Ng, does compiz with xv work for you Ng?
[03:00] <mrtimdog> Laibsch: no, it's a common unix issue.
[03:00] <Laibsch> Trewas & mrtimdog: It works inside screen on both boxes
[03:01] <ReL1K> unggnu i got a fix for ya
[03:01] <ReL1K> hangon
[03:01] <Laibsch> Trewas: Thanks, I will try vt100
[03:01] <Ng> unggnu: providing I don't suspend/resume, yes
[03:01] <unggnu> Could anybody with intel graphic card and new Intel driver check this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/141063 ?
[03:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141063 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "new Intel driver freezes system on video play after changing to console" [Undecided,New] 
[03:01] <mikedep333> hmm
[03:01] <unggnu> It has nothing to do with suspend resume, it is just console change
[03:01] <mikedep333> this might be my problem with the two day old desktop cd
[03:01] <ReL1K> unggnu: at the shell type SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace &
[03:01] <mikedep333> The desktop CD sometimes suffers kernel oopses in the "unionfs" driver, which manifests itself as random program crashes, the installation getting stuck, or similar. It usually helps to just reboot and restart the installation. (https://launchpad.net/bugs/144945)
[03:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144945 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "kernel Oops in unionfs with l-u-m version 2.6.22-12.32 using Edubuntu amd64 daily 200709025" [High,New] 
[03:01] <mikedep333> you gotta love the "kernel oopses"
[03:02] <unggnu> ReL1K, But it even happen without compiz
[03:02] <Laibsch> Trewas: Thanks a million.  vt100 indeed works fine.  How do I make that permanent and consistent for all users?
[03:02] <ReL1K> unggnu, yea suspend/hibernate is broke on mine as well
[03:02] <ReL1K> also if im using a screensaver
[03:02] <ReL1K> hangs sometimes
[03:02] <ReL1K> can use a black screen
[03:02] <ReL1K> to fix
[03:02] <unggnu> ReL1K, No, suspend works fine for me even with compiz :)
[03:02] <ReL1K> ahh
[03:02] <ReL1K> interesting
[03:02] <unggnu> ok, sometimes the gray rectangle bug
[03:02] <unggnu> but this one is known
[03:03] <unggnu> Ng, would be great if you could check it.
[03:04] <ReL1K> unggnu: you didn't happen to get dual heads working
[03:04] <ReL1K> one thing im lacking
[03:04] <Ng> unggnu: sure
[03:04] <unggnu> ReL1K, Work fine since Gutsy and new intel driver.
[03:04] <ReL1K> really?
[03:04] <ReL1K> hmmm
[03:04] <unggnu> Ng, A comment would be great.
[03:04] <ReL1K> are you using xrandr?
[03:04] <unggnu> ReL1K, Yes, to disable lfp.
[03:05] <ReL1K> i have a docking station, one with VGA, the other with DVI
[03:05] <ReL1K> can't get them both to span
[03:05] <unggnu> ReL1K, Docking station yes, DVI not.
[03:05] <Laibsch> Trewas: /etc/environment ?
[03:05] <Ng> unggnu: I can play video and switch to/from console fine, but we have fairly different chipsets ;)
[03:05] <Laibsch> Trewas: That file is so far empty
[03:05] <ReL1K> dvi's working fine, can't get it to span over the vga one
[03:05] <unggnu> Ng, So you play a video with xv, close it, change to console and back and then playing a video works fine?
[03:05] <unggnu> Ng, But you use the intel driver not the i810?
[03:06] <unggnu> ReL1K, It automatically starts with clone mode on my laptop if an external screen is connected.
[03:06] <ReL1K> yea, same here, but it has to be the laptop screen not the two monitors
[03:07] <unggnu> ReL1K, disable them with xrandr
[03:07] <Ng> unggnu: yep. and using the intel driver. you're using i9xx and Im i8xx, so I wouldn't expect to see the same bugs (and I'm fairly sure I heard some talk of the i9xx support in the -intel driver having some Xv issues)
[03:07] <unggnu> Ok, thanks.
[03:07] <sindile_> solved my bluetooth
[03:07] <unggnu> Ng, So you haven't the grey rectangle problem too?
[03:07] <unggnu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/127101
[03:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127101 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "laptop hangs when switching video mode" [Unknown,In progress] 
[03:08] <mrtimdog> Trewas: look in /etc/login.defs, and at TTYTYPE_FILE within.
[03:08] <penguincentral> hi, i find that when i try to manually add contacts into gizmo project 3.1 (i run ubuntu 7.10alpha5), Gizmo crashes on me.  Can anyone help me, or are there other places to go?
[03:08] <chronographer> hello. Is there a forum to ask folks about compiz in ubuntu?
[03:08] <mrtimdog> Trewas: sorry that was supposed to be Laibsch:
[03:08] <Ng> unggnu: doesn't seem like it
[03:09] <sindile_> Solved my BluetoothManager problem may be implementation of this would be very useful to a new user https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/bluez-gnome/+bug/131530
[03:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131530 in bluez-gnome "'Browse device...' in the bluetooth applet is useless without gnome-vfs-obexftp" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[03:09] <chronographer> IRC for desktop effects?
[03:09] <unggnu> Ng, weird. Maybe you still using i810 driver or it is really a chipset issue.
[03:10] <mrtimdog> chronographer: #ubuntu-effects
[03:10] <chronographer> thanks
[03:11] <Ng> unggnu: no I'm definitely using the intel driver. I think it's purely because we have different hardware
[03:11] <Ng> unggnu: I see some weird bugs that almost nobody else does :)
[03:12] <unggnu> Yeah, I know this feeling ;)
[03:12] <Laibsch> mrtimdog: I don't understand what value I would need to set TTYTYPE_FILE to.  Should that point to a file that I need to create?
[03:17] <mrtimdog> Laibsch: I'm thinking that's the wrong place now, as you said it's for many users.
[03:19] <nb-au> should the torrents be rejecting my bittorrent?
[03:20] <branstrom> How I enable xrandr as mentioned in http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta#head-c37ee1849c1c754f07736bf7d37acd0592a198c4
[03:20] <branstrom> ?
[03:21] <LjL> Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Beta 1 is out
[03:22] <rom1v> gnomefreak: are u there?
[03:22] <branstrom> Does anyone know about xrandr? :)
[03:23] <gnomefreak> rom1v: yes i am but no im not, im in the middle of something
[03:23] <rom1v> ok
[03:24] <blue|palm> is there a way to dist-upgrade to gutsy from feisty now already?
[03:25] <nb-au> LjL: the torrents still dont work :(
[03:25] <mc44> update-manager -d, blue|palm
[03:25] <LjL> nb-au, are you already running gutsy?
[03:25] <nb-au> yep
[03:25] <blue|palm> mc44, next question, how safe is it atm?
[03:25] <mc44> blue|palm: well, it's "beta"
[03:25] <nb-au> wanna reformat though a few things are borked
[03:26] <blue|palm> mc44, i dont have anything critical on my pc,i just want to avoid having to reformat :P
[03:26] <mc44> blue|palm: don't use on a machine you can't afford not to have break, in other words :)
[03:26] <blue|palm> mc44, hehe ok
[03:26] <blue|palm> mc44, thanks
[03:27] <nIRV_> good evening
[03:27] <ReL1K> how do we update to beta from tribe 5?
[03:27] <ReL1K> nada on dist-upgrade
[03:27] <nIRV_> anyone has a dual monitor setup?
[03:28] <mc44> if you have been updating regually, you already have the beta, ReL1K
[03:28] <corevette> is this the official release: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/
[03:28] <LjL> !beta | ReL1K
[03:28] <ubotu> ReL1K: Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+1
[03:28] <ReL1K> thats probably true
[03:28] <ReL1K> update pretty much everyday
[03:28] <nIRV_> I'm facing a weird problem whereas everytime I open total, it screws up my dual monitor resolution
[03:28] <mc44> LjL: ah you added the regular updates bit :)
[03:28] <ReL1K> when did they release beta?
[03:28] <Hobbsee> ReL1K: around 30 mins ago
[03:29] <Hobbsee> LjL: ?
[03:29] <LjL> ahem
[03:29] <mc44> topic clash!
[03:29] <Hobbsee> i'll fix
[03:29] <mc44> needs revision control :)
[03:29] <Hobbsee> hah
[03:29] <ReL1K> then i probably shouldn't be beta if it was released 30 mins ago, i haven't updated since last night :P
[03:29] <Hobbsee> ReL1K: archives (main) have been frozen anyway
[03:29] <LjL> ReL1K: i haven't updated since yesterday, and i have beta.
[03:29] <nb-au> so is the torrent working for anyone? or is it just me?
[03:30] <ReL1K> Gotchya
[03:30] <Hobbsee> nb-au: should be slowly working - they're having trouble with it
[03:30] <LjL> nb-au: don't know, i'll see
[03:30] <LjL> i meant, seed
[03:30] <ReL1K> good job so far guys, finally pushed the switch off of windows nipple and made it my primary os
[03:30] <nIRV_> (or maybe would it be possible for one of you guys to redirect me to the right channel to get help on dual monitors system? thanks)
[03:31] <ReL1K> intel cards still being blacklisted?
[03:31] <LjL> !dualhead
[03:31] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[03:31] <nb-au> Hobbsee: im getting rejected by the tracker :(
[03:31] <Hobbsee> nb-au: it's still all resyncing.
[03:31] <nb-au> fair enough
[03:31] <nIRV_> !Xinerama
[03:31] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[03:32] <ReL1K> LjL: does that include intel cards for dualhead as well?
[03:32] <LjL> not sure ReL1K
[03:33] <`Matir> ReL1K, for intel, I would look at using xrandr for dual-head
[03:33] <gnomefreak> rom1v: tell him on the bug i cant be your middle man until im better and all my work is caught uphe needs info he will ask for it if you need input reply to bug he will answer most questions.
[03:33] <ReL1K> `Matir: yea, i can get it to span on my actual laptop screen and my monitor without a problem however, i have a docking station, one DVI other VGA, can't get them on both mons
[03:34] <`Matir> ahh... one of them stay blank?
[03:34] <nIRV_> I have a thinkpad r51 -- the display*-gtk shipped with gutsy doesn't allow me to set up a dual monitor in xinerama mode (but can be done by applying some 'vi xorg.conf' magic) -- is xrandx any different?
[03:35] <ReL1K> `Matir: Kinda of yep. Basically, I'll start the boot, it'll show up on my right screen, then when X starts it'll show up on the right
[03:35] <ReL1K> urr left
[03:35] <ReL1K> and the right one stays black
[03:35] <`Matir> odd
[03:35] <ReL1K> yea
[03:35] <`Matir> does xrandr even see both outputs?
[03:35] <ReL1K> and if i try to configure it under screens, it kills X
[03:35] <ReL1K> im not that familar with xrandr, how can i tell?
[03:36] <gleblanc> So, I've got some comments about the Distribution Upgrade window...
[03:36] <ReL1K> when i type xrandr
[03:36] <`Matir> If you run 'xrandr' by itself, it shows all probed outputs
[03:36] <ReL1K> it says "VGA connected (normal left inverted right) LVDS connected 1280 x800+0+0 normal left inverted right 331mm x 207mm and TMDS-1 connected 1280x1024+09+0 normal left inverted right 376mm x 301mm
[03:36] <gleblanc> For starters, it's impossible to see the entire thing when the terminal output is visible
[03:36] <volantares> hi all.. i have a question: will Gusty have support for Geforce 8800 GTS?
[03:37] <gleblanc> because you can't resize the window, and it's taller than my screen
[03:37] <gleblanc> It also got "stalled" on the pam upgrade
[03:37] <`Matir> ReL1K, so it's seeing 3 screens... are you getting output on your DVI or VGA connector?
[03:37] <gleblanc> just sat there for a while, until I finally hit 'enter' and it went on about it's business
[03:38] <gleblanc> But I have no idea what hitting enter did, because I couldn't see the bottom of the terminal window
[03:38] <gleblanc> I also couldn't close the terminal window during that time
[03:38] <nIRV_> matir, when I run xrandr, it only sees one screen (although I'm having two monitors up and running in xinerama mode on an intel (i810) card) and also breaks resolution; is that a problem that sounds familiar to you?
[03:39] <avatar_> nb-au: torrent should be working right now
[03:39] <`Matir> nIRV_, I'm not specifically sure, but I know my laptop did that with the older ati driver that did not have proper randr support, I believe.
[03:39] <`Matir> gleblanc, what resolution do you use?
[03:39] <ReL1K_> `Matir: got discoed rq, did you say something after i showed you the xrandr output?
[03:39] <gleblanc> `Matir: 1280x768
[03:40] <`Matir> ReL1K, I was asking which screen you currently get output on... DVI or VGA
[03:40] <gleblanc> the maximum supported on this laptop
[03:40] <nIRV_> so maybe i810 doesn't support xrandr properly; hrm, which is a shame as I can't seem to make the 'intel' module work with my video card
[03:40] <`Matir> gleblanc, it should be visible there, I would have thought... it works on my ancient 1024x768
[03:40] <ReL1K_> `Matir: dvi
[03:41] <klaxian> has anyone had a problem where mousing over some graphics or scrolling in firefox causes the images to move 1 pixel...it's very annoying
[03:41] <gleblanc> It might be just covered by my panel
[03:41] <`Matir> ReL1K, I would try (just to see if it works) "xrandr --output VGA --same-as TMDS-1" and see if the other screen comes alive
[03:41] <nIRV_> klaxian, firefox version == ?
[03:41] <klaxian> firefox 2.0.0.6
[03:42] <nb-au> avatar_: yep going good now :)
[03:42] <nIRV_> kla, is problem happening on specific sites or in general?
[03:42] <klaxian> nIRV_: in general...it happens on all sites
[03:42] <ReL1K_> `Matir: no go, other screen didnt come on
[03:43] <klaxian> i think it may have started happening when I adjusted my dpi settings in the Gnome Appearance Manager
[03:43] <nIRV_> matir, is totem player calling xrandr when loaded (I dont see any reason why but typing xrandr in terminal results in same monitor breakage as running totem)
[03:43] <klaxian> but changing that setting doesn't seem to fix it
[03:44] <`Matir> nIRV_, just running xrandr without any arguments?
[03:44] <nIRV_> klaxian, yeah it might be a dpi setting problem as firefox 2.x doesn't deal very well with dpi variations
[03:44] <nIRV_> matir, yep
[03:44] <nIRV_> which is weird because I thought that'd only give me a status, not play with screens resolution/setup
[03:44] <klaxian> nIRV_: well i'm trying setting it back to 96 dpi for now to test...
[03:44] <`Matir> nIRV_, I can't think of any reason totem would touch xrandr, but they might both directly interface hardware in a bad way
[03:45] <`Matir> it does only give status... no changes
[03:45] <nIRV_> well it certainly does change things quite a lot here :)
[03:45] <ReL1K_> `Matir: any other ideas? or SOL for now? :)
[03:46] <`Matir> ReL1K, someone who knows more about xrandr might be more helpful, but that's all i can think of... unless it's trying to output at a mode that the monitor doesn't support
[03:46] <klaxian> nIRV_: at 96 dpi, i don't notice the problem...however that's not the correct dpi for my screen
[03:47] <klaxian> nIRV_: it's workable i suppose if that's the only solution
[03:47] <`Matir> Reaby, is the monitor on your VGA fairly new?  CRT or LCD?
[03:47] <`Matir> err, ReL1K ...
[03:47] <Reaby> :)
[03:47] <nIRV_> you can either change screen resolution or download one of the alpha/betaish version of upcoming firefox 3 which fixed many issues regarding dpi to pixel conversions
[03:47] <ReL1K_> `Matir: they are samsung LCD"s
[03:47] <ReL1K_> LCD's
[03:48] <klaxian> nIRV_: i have firefox 3 beta...i'll try that...
[03:48] <nIRV_> matir, in theory, are all video cards supported by i810 driver also supported in the intel driver?
[03:49] <eifzon> hello
[03:49] <gnomefreak> eifzon: it hasnt been released yet
[03:49] <eifzon> I am downloading it
[03:49] <eifzon> hm
[03:50] <gnomefreak> eifzon: from where?
[03:50] <eifzon> ubuntu.com
[03:50] <eifzon> soon done
[03:50] <gnomefreak> gutsy?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: beta 1 is released.
[03:50] <eifzon> kubuntu-7.10-beta-alternate-i386
[03:50] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: they let it go already?
[03:50] <hetauma> hi can u please tell me if gutsy comes with compiz fusion?
[03:50] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yes
[03:50] <leperkhan1> hetauma: yes.
[03:50] <eifzon> I am exited :)D
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hetauma: it does for clean installs.
[03:50] <gnomefreak> must have been while at drs this morning
[03:50] <`Matir> ReL1K, I would check that the mode being output is applicable to the monitor
[03:50] <gnomefreak> or sleeping
[03:51] <hetauma> Hobbsee, and it works even with ati cards?
[03:51] <gnomefreak> yay that means we thaw soon :)
[03:51] <eifzon> gnomefreak, i just looked at distrowatch P:
[03:51] <`Matir> other than that, running out of ideas :)  X is a bit of a beast, even to me
[03:51] <klaxian> nIRV_: firefox 3 seems to fix the dpi rendering problems (mostly).  the url in the location bar still moves when i hover over it
[03:51] <klaxian> nIRV_: well at least i know it's a firefox issue that they are working on
[03:52] <klaxian> nIRV_: i'll just set the dpi to 96 for now
[03:52] <nIRV_> kla, the url moving in location bar is a different issue that has to do with their font rendering engine. that was fixed +/- a week ago in their daily builds.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> hetauma: may do.  no idea
[03:53] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: was only ~1 hr ago
[03:53] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: unfreeze is tomorrow
[03:53] <nIRV_> firefox 3 on linux will be a gigantic leap, they really are working hard to fix core issues
[03:53] <klaxian> nIRV_: ooh, well then it seems firefox 3 will fix the dpi issue :)
[03:53] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: was atdrs than
[03:53] <gnomefreak> at drs. than
[03:53] <klaxian> nIRV_: yah it seems faster too
[03:53] <hetauma> can I check somewhere the changelog for daily cd's?
[03:53] <gnomefreak> i just got home like 20-30 minutes ago
[03:54] <mikedep333> hey guys, I am attempting to use ndiswrapper with my broadcom 802.11n card. ndiswrapper loads the win32 driver and the ndiswrapper kernel module is loaded, but I don't think eth1 or wlan0 or whatever shows up
[03:54] <nIRV_> yep; plus, they finally managed to use native controls within webpage (i.e. buttons and text forms actually uses your current theme graphics)
[03:54] <klaxian> nIRV_: cool!
[03:57] <nIRV_> matir, when I execute xrandr, it outputs this: "Screen 0: minimum 1024 x 768, current 2304 x 1024, maximum 1024 x 768"
[03:57] <`Matir> is that all you get?
[03:57] <nIRV_> matir, it seems xrandr doesn't recognizes I have 2 monitors and add the two resolution together (hence the impossible current resolution)
[03:58] <`Matir> are you using xinerama?
[03:58] <nIRV_> yep
[03:58] <nIRV_> xrandr 2nd output line: default connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right) 0mm x 0mm -- xrandr 3rd output line:    1024x768       75.0*
[03:59] <`Matir> nIRV_, that might be why... I don't know how xrandr and xinerama get along, to be honest... never had xinerama working on here, so hadn't tried
[03:59] <nIRV_> k
[03:59] <rhYaN`> hello all
[03:59] <nIRV_> so xrandr can only deal with cloned dual monitors?
[04:00] <`Matir> no, xrandr can do multi-monitor (non-cloned) as well....
[04:01] <nIRV_> multi monitor (non-cloned) != xinemara ?
[04:01] <`Matir> it does the same thing, but without using xinerama
[04:02] <nIRV_> oh so maybe the solution would be to switch to multi-monitor not using xinerama
[04:02] <rhYaN`> last month, i request a ubuntu 7.04 cd from the ubuntu website, and i paid it 35 pesos. can i request a gutsy cd after the final release with the same price?
[04:02] <nIRV_> which I'm afraid don't really know how to setup :) matir, do you know of any good how to?
[04:05] <`Matir> nIRV_, not in particular, but in most cases, it's as simple as something like xrandr --output CRT-0 --left-of LVDS
[04:07] <nIRV_> matir, your being of great help, thanks. one more question: do I have to setup anything in the xorg.conf to tell X I have 2 monitors? should I just get rid of xorg.conf?
[04:07] <rhYaN`> last month, i request a ubuntu 7.04 cd from the ubuntu website, and i paid it 35 pesos. can i request a gutsy cd after the final release with the same price?
[04:09] <`Matir> nIRV_, in my case, I did it from a very plain xorg.conf with no problems
[04:09] <nIRV_> matir, googling xinemara and xrandr, it's clear both are not meant to be used together. seems you had that right :)
[04:09] <`Matir> yeah, i get the impression that xrandr is supposed to replace xinerama at some point
[04:09] <`Matir> it's nice that it can do it on the fly
[04:10] <nIRV_> okey let me reboot with a plain xorg and see if I can apply same magic as you...
[04:12] <gleblanc> Apparently I need SHMConfig set to true in my xorg.conf
[04:12] <Fracture> !info handbrake
[04:12] <ubotu> Package handbrake does not exist in gutsy
[04:12] <gleblanc> Is there a particular portion of xorg.conf that it needs to exist in?
[04:13] <`Matir> gleblanc, probably the device section for your graphics card
[04:14] <rom1v> hi
[04:14] <gleblanc> oh, sorry, I guess I should have said that I'm trying to configure my synaptics touchpad
[04:14] <rom1v> why all the drivers are in the kernel, but webcams driver have to be installed separately?
[04:16] <nIRV_> matir, working from a fresh xorg.conf
[04:16] <nIRV_> matir, if I type xrandr --output CRT-0 --left-of LVDS , nothing happens
[04:17] <`Matir> nIRV_, what does "xrandr" by itself show?
[04:18] <nIRV_> Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
[04:18] <nIRV_> default connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right) 0mm x 0mm
[04:18] <nIRV_>    1024x768       75.0*
[04:18] <nIRV_>    800x600        75.0
[04:18] <nIRV_>    640x480        75.0
[04:18] <nIRV_> which is my laptop LCD
[04:19] <`Matir> odd... it should show the CRT output as well
[04:19] <nIRV_> (I should say I'm running with no xorg.conf atm, which might affect the chance of success :) )
[04:20] <nIRV_> matir, do you know how to reset xorg.conf to default values? I saw the command somewhere but forgot, had to do with dpkg -XvDlkkslaksla xorg-server
[04:20] <`Matir> the current xorg should autodetect everything just fine
[04:20] <`Matir> dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xorg-xserver
[04:23] <nIRV_> hrm, it says not installed
[04:23] <`Matir> sorry, xserver-xorg
[04:23] <`Matir> just not thinking today
[04:23] <nIRV_> but dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver works ok
[04:23] <nIRV_> oh
[04:23] <nIRV_> k
[04:24] <nIRV_> seems to work just fine
[04:24] <nIRV_> k
[04:24] <nIRV_> (one monitor)
[04:25] <nIRV_> but xrandr still shows only one monitor
[04:28] <nIRV_> matir, progress! I know have two monitors with right resolution but 2nd is cloning the first one (and 2nd should really be primary monitor but I can deal with that later)
[04:29] <`Matir> ok, what does xrandr show now?
[04:29] <`Matir> you can switch the primary and secondary
[04:29] <nIRV_> hrm, it outputs quite a lot, can I paste you output in private msg not to flood channel?
[04:29] <`Matir> sure
[04:33] <nIRV_> hrm, I just noticed I have to register to send you prv msg
[04:33] <nIRV_> w8 a minute
[04:42] <GuyFromHell> is it me or does the new flashplugin-nonfree update... not have the plugin at all...
[04:43] <martalli> nIRV_: Why not just message for all of us to see?  The purpose of the channel is for education and help.  Inevitably, someone else will be having the same problem as you are having.
[04:50] <LoRe> hi, how can I start gnome with metacity instead of compiz?
[04:51] <minimec> LoRe: You find this in the Desktop-settings. If not killall compiz ;)
[04:53] <nIRV_> victory
[04:53] <nIRV_> over
[04:53] <nIRV_> the machine
[04:53] <`Matir> lol
[04:54] <nIRV_> it seems swithing to xrandr also fixed my totem issue
[05:03] <ReL1K> anyone got sirius working on gutsy?
[05:04] <joeamined> since i updated to gutsy, the systems sounds of connecting and leaving the session no longer work. How to fix this ?
[05:05] <nIRV_> matir, didn't work
[05:05] <LoRe> i found the key with gconf-editor now
[05:08] <nIRV_> matir, after further testing, if my external monitor is plugging in, xorg considers it screen0
[05:08] <nIRV_> if unplugged, my lcd becomes screen0 (after an xorg restart
[05:08] <nIRV_> )
[05:09] <nIRV_> that's bit irritating as icons on desktop have to be shifted around every time you remove external monitor
[05:10] <`Matir> yeah, i can't find a way to force choice of screen
[05:11] <nIRV_> matir, oh while I think of it, I noticed xrandr configure doesn't get saved on exit, I have to open a terminal window and retype the xrandr --output <...> command every time I open a new xorg session?
[05:14] <nIRV_> answer to screens: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-August/027670.html
[05:15] <nIRV_> basically it says I'll have to find a way to leave with fact that screen0 will be external monitor as it's hardware coded (weird) ...
[05:15] <ReL1K> `Matir: still no luck on xrandr :P any ideas :P
[05:15] <nIRV_> matir, I only need to pick up your brain one last time, sorry :) do you know how to apply xrandr settings permanently throughout sessions?
[05:23] <nooseisloose> anyone here have an nvidia quadro nvs140m ?
[05:23] <Vegar> yes
[05:24] <ReL1K> anyone know what a tv connector is
[05:24] <ReL1K> following some steps
[05:24] <ReL1K> on xrandr
[05:24] <Vegar> nooseisloose: I do
[05:25] <nooseisloose> Vegar: mind if I pm?
[05:25] <Vegar> no
[05:27] <Ng> ReL1K: presumably a TV output from your graphics card?
[05:27] <Ng> ReL1K: (which you may or may not have, depending on the hardware)
[05:29] <rom> Hi
[05:29] <rom> I am trying to install gutsy beta
[05:29] <rom> but it blocks at 87%
[05:29] <rom> :(
[05:30] <rom> Installing "paquets linguistiques"
[05:30] <rom> 87%
[05:30] <rom> ...
[05:30] <rom> but cd player has stopped
[05:30] <rom> and ... nothing
[05:31] <Ng> rom: it might be the first Caveat listed at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta#head-71c953634fbf2cf5b38e4f469641d08bdb69e9d8
[05:32] <rom> http://fr.releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/7.10/
[05:32] <rom> I took the french kubuntu version
[05:32] <rom> (or english kubuntu version, but from french servers)
[05:33] <nIRV_> defeat
[05:33] <nIRV_> against
[05:33] <nIRV_> the machine
[05:34] <nIRV_> reverted back to xinerama as xrandr simply doesn't deal with screen0/1 the way I need my laptop to deal with ... downside is the strange bug with totem (also affecting skype)
[05:35] <tinin> Hi, will I  have problems upgrading if I did install my graphics with Alberto Milone's "envy" script?
[05:36] <soothsayer> How can I find recursive symlinks?
[05:38] <slackern> soothsayer: how do you mean, you want to see where a symlink points? 'ls -l symlink' will show where it goes
[05:39] <ReL1K> guys quick question
[05:39] <soothsayer> slackern: I mean a series of symlinks that form a cycle.
[05:39] <ReL1K> if i use the screen configuration for my two lcd monitors
[05:39] <ReL1K> i can get them to both display fine under "test"
[05:39] <ReL1K> when i go to click keep configuration, it flashes and then comes up on only one screen
[05:39] <ReL1K> so its *kinda* working, just not when i click on the keep configuration
[05:40] <`Matir> yeah, displayconfig-gtk is buggy, IMO
[05:41] <nIRV_> not only in your opinion :)
[05:41] <ReL1K> `Matir, any idea how i could get it to work with xrandr? :p
[05:41] <nIRV_> but I remember on planet.ubuntu.com seeing someone developing alternative xrandr UI (from same guy behind envy)
[05:42] <`Matir> ReL1K, what exactly are you trying to do?
[05:42] <slackern> soothsayer: ahh hmm, not sure,i only changed dir last time to where the symlink pointed and the did another ls -l on the new symlink
[05:43] <ReL1K> `Matir: same thing we were doing yesterday, i want to have dual monitors working on the intel card. If i use the screens section, select my actual monitor, then hit extend and clone, works fine on both monitors, except for when i hit keep configuration
[05:43] <soothsayer> slackern: What?
[05:43] <soothsayer> slackern: How did you find the symlinks in the first place?
[05:43] <ReL1K> one is hooked up via DVI, other hooked up via VGA, the DVI one shows up as my main one when X has started but when booting it shows up on the VGA one
[05:43] <`Matir> what's your xrandr output again?
[05:44] <ReL1K> vga connected, lvds connected tmds-1 connected
[05:44] <`Matir> so you want dual monitors on the vga and tmds (DVI/HDMI) outputs?
[05:44] <ReL1K> right
[05:44] <slackern> soothsayer: i usually spot them by colour, or they will have a @ symbol infront of the filename but maybe you want to find all symlinks on your system?
[05:45] <soothsayer> slackern: I want to find symlinks cycles (if such a thing is possible). Symlink1 -> Symlink2, Symlink2 -> Symlink1
[05:46] <slackern> soothsayer: this page show different solutions for doing what you want i belive http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=565475
[05:46] <soothsayer> slackern: Thanks but you clearly don't understand my question.
[05:46] <`Matir> ReL1K, try "xrandr --output TMDS-1 --auto --output VGA --auto"
[05:47] <`Matir> soothsayer, do you want infinite depth?
[05:47] <soothsayer> `Matir: Yes, (or depth greater than whatever Ubuntu can handle)
[05:48] <slackern> soothsayer: You are right, i missunderstood you, you wanted to find symlinks that go back to eachself all the time?
[05:48] <ReL1K> it says
[05:48] <ReL1K> cannot find crtc for output VGA
[05:48] <soothsayer> `Matir: Does -depth in 'find' do this?
[05:48] <kozo> hi i have some problem, right now i have ubuntu and grub installed but i want to install xp or vista now too for dualboot wil it be recognise be the vista bootloader?
[05:48] <soothsayer> slackern: Yes.
[05:48] <`Matir> soothsayer, -depth just limits how far in the directory tree it goes
[05:48] <`Matir> ReL1K, ah, you'd need to turn off the built-in monitor with xrandr --output LVDS --off
[05:49] <ReL1K> dude you flippin rule
[05:49] <ReL1K> any way to extend to right
[05:49] <ReL1K> the VGA?
[05:49] <ReL1K> its working omg
[05:49] <`Matir> xrandr --output VGA --right-of TMDS-1
[05:51] <ReL1K> xrandr, close it says screen cannot be larger than 2040x2040 desired size 2560x1024
[05:51] <ReL1K> erm `Matir
[05:51] <ReL1K> owe you a beer btw, you near ohio? ;P
[05:51] <`Matir> atlanta, unfortunately :)
[05:51] <ReL1K> hehe
[05:52] <ReL1K> any clues how to fix the cannot be larger then 2040x2040?
[05:52] <`Matir> as I told nirv_ earlier: <`Matir> and what's happening is that the maximum virtual desktop for your card (by default) is 1280x1280.  If you add a line to your xorg.conf with "Virtual 2304 1024" it'll let you go up to that size.  That line would go in the display subsection of the screen section of xorg.conf.
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[05:52] <`Matir> though in your case, you need "Virtual 2560 1024"
[05:53] <slackern> soothsayer: found 2 scripts to do it, it will show some rubbish also but it will find those symlinks that are 1->2->1 http://wellington.pm.org/archive/200507/one-liners/slide08.html
[05:53] <ReL1K> brb restarting X
[05:53] <nIRV_> matir, last one I promise: is there a way to make current xrandr settings permanent?
[05:54] <soothsayer> slackern: That says broken symlinks
[05:54] <nIRV_> or do we have to run a shell script during session opening?
[05:54] <`Matir> nIRV_, the only way I'm aware of is to add them to your xsession, unfortunately
[05:54] <`Matir> I've been looking for that myself as I need xrandr to get my X to display anything at all
[05:54] <ReL1K> `Matir: worked like a champ man, thank you so much
[05:54] <soothsayer> slackern: Meaning symlinks with an absent destination file
[05:54] <nIRV_> so basically, xrandr is far away from being perfect plug and play solution? :)
[05:55] <ReL1K> slight quirk, my start menu is only on the right side, and not the left hehe
[05:55] <ReL1K> moved it over
[05:55] <`Matir> same issue nIRV_ had... seems to be based on which CRTC is mapped to which output in your card
[05:56] <`Matir> nIRV_, it's not perfect, but it seems pretty powerful... I'm hoping for a way to specify xrandr options in xorg.conf at some point
[05:56] <slackern> soothsayer: aye i made a ln -s doh doh1 and a ln -s doh1 doh and then ran the script and it found it
[05:57] <nIRV_> relik, but every time you will reboot the computer, you'll have to move your bar again
[05:57] <ReL1K> nIRV_: gotchya
[05:57] <soothsayer> slackern: Really? Okay thanks that's great!
[05:57] <ReL1K> when i use compiz, it makes my entire desktop white
[05:57] <ReL1K> any idea how to fix?
[05:57] <ReL1K> guess i cant have both right now :)
[05:59] <`Matir> compiz requires DRI, right?
[05:59] <`Matir> a stupid question... either DRI or crappy speed :)
[05:59] <nIRV_> the xrandr team should really do something about the screen0/1 issue; it doesn't make sense that screen0 switched depending on whether you have external monitor plugged in or not... oh well
[06:00] <`Matir> the issue is that intel graphics cards cannot support DRI on a virtual desktop greater than 2048*2048
[06:00] <slackern> soothsayer: you will get a ton of broken links and stuff in /dev and those places but i guess you know what you are looking for and where so to say
[06:00] <Eq|work> nIRV_ : this on laptops?
[06:00] <`Matir> nIRV_, I agree... haven't had the issue myself (not having a 2nd monitor) but it would be annoying
[06:00] <soothsayer> slackern: Yeah, thanks again
[06:00] <nIRV_> eq, yep
[06:00] <slackern> soothsayer: glad to help, never looked for it myself either before :)
[06:01] <Eq|work> nIRV_ : and they change screen 0 if an external monitor is plugged in? ewww
[06:01] <nIRV_> matir, on a fixed station it doesn't matter so much, but on a laptop, it affects you everyday as soon as you unplug and take it away
[06:01] <Eq|work> screen 0 should, imo, always be the lcd..
[06:01] <ReL1K> `Matir: can i put it at a lower virtual desktop?
[06:01] <ReL1K> to get it to work?
[06:01] <nIRV_> bis
[06:01] <nIRV_> yep
[06:01] <ReL1K> what should i set it at?
[06:02] <nIRV_> eq, one would think so yeah
[06:02] <nIRV_> relik, you should have your virtual desktop width and height no higher than needed (i.e. screen0 width + screen1 width, same for height)
[06:03] <ReL1K> nIRV_ its set to 2560 1024 right now
[06:04] <nIRV_> relik, what are the width x height of your 2 screens?
[06:04] <ReL1K> they are standard 19' lcd's
[06:05] <`Matir> i think he meant in pixels
[06:05] <nIRV_> k but do you have them set to 1028x768 or 1280x1024 ?
[06:06] <ReL1K> 1280x1024
[06:07] <nIRV_> k well then your virtual desktop size's okey (1280+1280 x 1024)
[06:08] <TiaGo|SouZa> beta 1 is ouy?!?!
[06:08] <TiaGo|SouZa> yupie!!!
[06:09] <TiaGo|SouZa> where can I download it?!
[06:09] <ReL1K> so i put in virtual 1280+1280 1024?
[06:09] <nooseisloose> Vegar: That fixed my problem, tyvm
[06:10] <Vegar> nooseisloose: can you file a bug report on the restricted-drivers with your solution?
[06:10] <nIRV_> no no I meant your virtual desktop value is okey at Virtual 2560 1024
[06:10] <nooseisloose> yes, will do
[06:11] <ReL1K> ahh
[06:11] <ReL1K> just trying to figure out how to get compiz to work
[06:11] <_dan_> anyone got any idea why brightness settings work in 386 kernel but not in -generic?
[06:11] <ReL1K> it works fine, looks fine, just desktop goes white
[06:11] <_dan_> Reaby nvidia?
[06:12] <Reaby> ?
[06:12] <nIRV_> cool, this xrandr thing fixes a lot of small annoying bugs that xinerama had (totem screwing up res, print screen not working properly, etc.).
[06:12] <`Matir> ReL1K, do compiz effects work?
[06:12] <ReL1K> yep
[06:12] <ReL1K> sure do
[06:12] <minimec> ReL1K:  you have no wallpaper or you don't see any window at all?
[06:12] <_dan_> Reaby misstell sry
[06:12] <`Matir> nIRV_, yeah, it works nicely, except the screen 0/1 issue
[06:12] <ReL1K> it doesn't show anything on the desktop at all
[06:12] <ReL1K> just white
[06:12] <`Matir> I wonder if you could remap the CRTCs
[06:12] <Reaby> _dan_: np
[06:12] <nIRV_> matir, I wish
[06:13] <nIRV_> matir, do you know where we could get in touch with the xrandr devs on irc>
[06:13] <nIRV_> ?
[06:13] <ReL1K> and if i click on an icon, that i can't see you can click and open it
[06:13] <ReL1K> just cant see shit ont he desktop
[06:13] <ReL1K> cube works and everything
[06:13] <TiaGo|SouZa> where can I download the beta?
[06:13] <minimec> ReL1K: That's not good...
[06:14] <`Matir> nIRV_, not sure to be honest... the ubuntu devs would be in #ubuntu-x, but not sure about upstream
[06:14] <ReL1K> yea i know its not good :P any idea how to fix
[06:14] <minimec> Could it be that you have no Workspace defined?
[06:14] <`Matir> nIRV_, can you send me the output of "xrandr --verbose | grep -i '(connected|crtc)'" ?
[06:15] <nIRV_> yep
[06:15] <ReL1K> in order to get compiz to work with my card
[06:15] <ReL1K> i have to do
[06:15] <minimec> ReL1K: Could it be that you have no Workspace defined?
[06:15] <ReL1K> a SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace &
[06:15] <ReL1K> minimec, works fine if i dont do the VGA to the right in xrandr
[06:15] <ReL1K> if i do dual mons works fine if its a clone
[06:16] <`Matir> ReL1K, does it even work fine cloning with that virtual line in xorg.conf?
[06:16] <nIRV_> matir, no output with the grep -i part
[06:17] <minimec> ReL1K: Ok. I have also a dual screen setup but with E17 without DRI. If I use DRI I am also in clone-mode.
[06:17] <`Matir> nIRV_, sorry, replace that grep with 'egrep'.
[06:18] <ReL1K> `Matir: yepper
[06:18] <ReL1K> just went i do vga to right
[06:18] <ReL1K> extend it
[06:18] <minimec> ReL1K: So you have one screen running, and the other goes white?
[06:18] <ReL1K> minimec: no, so if i do extend to right in xrandra,then i turn compiz on
[06:18] <ReL1K> the desktop goes completely white
[06:18] <ReL1K> the start menus still there
[06:18] <`Matir> nIRV_, yeah, the LVDS is only connected to CRTC 1... so no possibility to swap them
[06:19] <ReL1K> the cube works
[06:19] <`Matir> that's actually by the hardware design... pretty weird
[06:19] <ReL1K> just white background, can see no icons
[06:19] <`Matir> what if you extend after enabling compiz?
[06:19] <ReL1K> lemme try
[06:20] <nIRV_> matir, xrandr should be responsible to assign screen0 to CRTC 1
[06:20] <`Matir> nIRV_, it would be nice :)
[06:20] <minimec> ReL1K: One cube for both screens?
[06:21] <nIRV_> well, sounds to me like it's a very basic feature you'd want to offer to laptop users .. Maybe one day in the xrandr release note, we'll see "New Exciting Feature! Make your laptop lcd the primary screen"
[06:21] <nIRV_> ;)
[06:24] <`Matir> nIRV_, yeah... with every machine i've seen that does NOT use intel graphics, the LVDS is on CRTC 0, and thus primary screen... only intel swaps them... for some reason :)
[06:25] <nIRV_> hope xrandr won't fall into yet another of these debates where theory over practice will not allow intel laptop users to enjoy a nice multi monitor experience :o)
[06:26] <`Matir> lol
[06:26] <`Matir> personally, the next laptop i buy will probably have intel graphics, so i'd be all for making that work
[06:26] <nIRV_> :)
[06:27] <nIRV_> it's probably not that difficult either; maybe a xrandr --switch-crtcs
[06:27] <bronson> why on earth does git-core conflict with git-completion?
[06:27] <nIRV_> :)
[06:30] <bronson> Man, launchpad is utter hell.
[06:31] <LuCypher> anyone here who knows why Gutsy Beta is only on DVD???
[06:31] <bronson> OK, I give up.  I can't figure out how to get launchpad to show me all bugs reported against git-core.
[06:31] <bronson> LuCypher: huh?  tribe 5 cd isos are easy to come by.
[06:31] <nIRV_> zzz; thanks for all the help matir
[06:31] <Eq|work> bronson : go to launchpad, click bugs, search git-core ?
[06:31] <LuCypher> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/
[06:31] <`Matir> nIRV_, np
[06:32] <Eq|work> LuCypher : so same as feisty then?
[06:32] <bronson> Eq|work: I don't think any of those apply to git-core.
[06:32] <bronson> It's hard to tell.
[06:32] <frostburn> LuCypher, it's a beta LIVE dvd, meaning most of the packages are already on the disk
[06:34] <LuCypher> that means , CDs will be available with stable release
[06:34] <LuCypher> ???
[06:34] <frostburn> of course
[06:34] <frostburn> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-4/ is a cd
[06:34] <Eq|work> LuCypher : not necessarily.. feisty seems to be dvd only now..
[06:34] <LuCypher> OK... I already have Tribe5
[06:35] <LuCypher> Why this decision?
[06:35] <frostburn> the live versions yes, but i just downloaded fiesty cd for a relative
[06:36] <Hobbsee> bronson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/git-core ?
[06:36] <Hobbsee> uh, there are normal cds for feisty and gutsy
[06:37] <Eq|work> Hobbsee : not on cdimages :P
[06:37] <Eq|work> cdimages.ubuntu.com only has dvd's
[06:37] <bronson> Hobbsee: awesome.
[06:37] <bronson> Now how the heck did you find that page?
[06:37] <Hobbsee> bronson: lp.net/ubuntu, search for git-core as teh package name, hit bugs.
[06:37] <LuCypher> Eq|work : it seems that all CD versions are removed 7.04...6.10 too
[06:37] <Hobbsee> Eq|work: uh, that's not good
[06:37] <Eq|work> LuCypher : indeed.
[06:38] <Eq|work> Hobbsee : someone screwed up perhaps?
[06:38] <DShepherd> will there be new artwork for gutsy's release?
[06:38] <Hobbsee> Eq|work: no, they're at releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 now, it looks like
[06:38] <Eq|work> i was a bit disappointed when i stumbled across that last week or so.. was at a clients and needed a known livecd that would work well and have a fast dl.. so had him dl ubuntu.. had to get gutsy in the end.
[06:38] <Eq|work> heh
[06:38] <Pici> DShepherd: Different than feisty artwork.
[06:38] <DShepherd> Pici, wallpaper and all?
[06:39] <Pici> DShepherd: Yes.
[06:39] <bronson> Oh, lp.net/ubuntu...  That must be the magic.  I was trying to do it from plain old lp.net.
[06:39] <DShepherd> Pici, is the new artwork in the beta?
[06:39] <Eq|work> should be.
[06:39] <Pici> DShepherd: I think so.
[06:39] <DShepherd> Pici, ok thanks for the info
[06:39] <Eq|work> new wallpapers have been in main for a while..
[06:40] <Hobbsee> bronson: or pick ubuntu from the main page.
[06:41] <Hobbsee> Eq|work: [02:40]  <elmo> the release ISOs are on releases and the  DVDs and non-release isos on cdimages
[06:41] <LuCypher> Hobbsee : that's it
[06:43] <`Matir> gutsy artwork is a little annoying to me
[06:43] <darkstar> ikonia_: decided to reinstall the i386, latest daily build dvd
[06:50] <VousDeux> no updates today?
[06:51] <Pici> VousDeux: We're in a bit of a freeze due to beta.
[06:51] <afief> Why is the Beta on DVD only?:S
[06:51] <whileimhere> Hi I am using fiesty. How do I get gutsy?
[06:52] <`Matir> whileimhere, edit your sources to say gutsy instead of feisty and then run the upgrade
[06:52] <Hobbsee> afief: it's not - see releases.ubuntu.com
[06:52] <darkstar> whileiamhere: go get it
[06:53] <VousDeux> ahhh...okay
[06:53] <`Matir> can anyone tell me when the betafreeze is lifted?
[06:53] <Hobbsee> tomorrow
[06:53] <`Matir> ah, cool
[06:53] <afief> Hobbsee, what about this page? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/
[06:53] <`Matir> hopefully there'll be a new kernel shortly thereafter... 2.6.20 is getting tiring for me
[06:54] <Pici> `Matir: hmm? 2.6.22 is in gutsy...
[06:54] <Hobbsee> afief: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/122229  [02:40]  <elmo> the release ISOs are on releases and the  DVDs and non-release isos on cdimages
[06:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122229 in ubuntu-cdimage "add pointers to releases.ubuntu.com" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[06:54] <`Matir> Pici: yes, but not with support for my wireless card
[06:55] <afief> Hobbsee, okay, on a different note though, have you noticed that gutsy is slower than feisty on low end computers?
[06:55] <Hobbsee> no
[06:56] <pwuertz> i have an old 1GHz celeron notebook
[06:56] <`Matir> i'm not sure 1 GHz is "low end" :)
[06:56] <pwuertz> Hz is nothing.. the processor generation matters
[06:57] <afief> Well, for me a 3GHz desktop with 256 is choking on gutsy
[06:57] <afief> 256MB ram
[06:57] <pwuertz> that laptop is about 5 years old
[06:57] <`Matir> ah... 256... that's the "low end"
[06:57] <`Matir> is it swapping a lot?
[06:57] <pwuertz> 256 is ridiculous ;)
[06:58] <afief> `Matir, a bit, not too much
[06:58] <kwadronaut> afief: i hope you're not running a typical ubuntu install. because they generally don't think of people with a tighter budget
[06:58] <afief> pwuertz, yeah my bro killed the other ram chip while he was "attempting" to fix the PC
[06:58] <afief> kwadronaut, actually i am
[06:58] <darkstar> I have just installed latest daily build of gutsy (sep25) and I see no speed difference, if compared to feisty on my amd64 3gh with 1.5g ram--
[06:59] <afief> guess it's just my ram then
[06:59] <frostburn> it is
[06:59] <pwuertz> afief: thats not a big deal.. I mean... 256mb additional ram are just cheap
[07:00] <bronson> Wait, Gutsy is freezing before tracker 0.6.3 was uploaded?
[07:00] <bronson> Oh noes!
[07:00] <frostburn> you're constantly paging to disk and that's adding 8+ms to most every instruction
[07:00] <afief> pwuertz, I'll probably get 1GB ram for it, I'm sure the 3GHz CPU can use it
[07:00] <pwuertz> sure thing
[07:01] <pwuertz> ram is definetely
[07:01] <Hobbsee> afief: that will tend to choke, yes.  remove tracker for a start
[07:01] <Hobbsee> bronson: that's the plen
[07:01] <bronson> kwadronaut: have you seen the gcc source?
[07:01] <Hobbsee> er, paln
[07:01] <Hobbsee> er, plan
[07:01] <bronson> haha.  Well, I'm glad it's still a possiblity.
[07:01] <kwadronaut> bronson: no i haven't. not even seen the notes to it.
[07:01] <afief> Hobbsee, tracker? sorry but i don't know what that is.
[07:02] <Hobbsee> afief: google it
[07:02] <pwuertz> ram is definitely a problem.... as I said... I got a 5 year old laptop... running modern desktop software just fine... all I did was an upgrade from 256 to 512mb ram
[07:02] <bronson> kwadronaut: well it's, ah, tortured.  Multithreading it would take an act of the gods.  :)
[07:02] <bronson> Much easier to split your source into two files and run make -j2
[07:03] <pwuertz> I really would like to buy a new laptop... but the problem is... the old one is doing great, so I can't really find a reason for getting a new one ;)
[07:03] <afief> Hobbsee, wow:D nice technology that's being added to ubuntu.
[07:04] <bronson> pwuertz: which one do you want to buy?
[07:04] <pwuertz> dapper, feisty and gutsy didn't change that after all
[07:04] <Hobbsee> afief: indeed, but it's kinda heavy on resources.
[07:04] <bronson> afief: tracker 0.6.2 isn't quite awesome yet.  But it's close.
[07:04] <bronson> Yeah, 0.6.2 thrashes your spindles, starving other I/O.
[07:05] <DanaG> Note that the name didn't change -- the app did.
[07:05] <bronson> Apparently that's fixed in 0.6.3.  That's why I can't wait to try it...
[07:05] <pwuertz> bronson: I thought about some mac-book... or a standard laptop... it doesn't really matter because I don't need it for games and stuff
[07:05] <dazrour> anyone know if there is a repo like trevinos for gutsy
[07:05] <afief> Hobbsee, what's the package name for tracker?
[07:05] <bronson> afief: er, tracker.
[07:05] <Pici> dazrour: Why? compiz-fusion is in Gutsy.
[07:05] <dazrour> is it the lates git build?
[07:06] <bronson> pwuertz: oh.  Well, isn't the screen on your current laptop looking pretty dim?  And the keyboard looking sorta grimy?
[07:06] <bronson> Certainly time for a new one!
[07:06] <Pici> dazrour: No.
[07:06] <Hobbsee> afief: bluefish, of course.
[07:07] <dazrour> Pici: how would i install and keep getting the latest git build of it then?
[07:07] <pwuertz> bronson: I use my laptop for reading papers or doing development stuff... when it comes to 3d-graphic development, most laptops can't handle my stuff anyways...
[07:07] <Pici> dazrour: Why not look to see on trevino's site if he offers a gutsy repo?
[07:07] <dazrour> he hasnt yet
[07:08] <pwuertz> bronson: yes... the screen is dark and most of the keyboard-buttons are blank ;)
[07:08] <Pici> dazrour: Then I do not know.
[07:08] <pwuertz> the letters vanished over the time
[07:08] <dazrour> ok thanks
[07:10] <rom> hi
[07:10] <cdm10> Is it just me, or is Gutsy beta a slow download?
[07:10] <rom> gutsy tribes 5 was far stable for me
[07:10] <rom> far more stable
[07:10] <rom> than beta
[07:10] <cdm10> rom: That's... weird
[07:10] <slackern> Anyone good with screen that know how i make pageup/pagedown work properly in a gnome terminal while using screen?
[07:10] <bronson> rom: for me too.
[07:10] <rom> with beta I can't install with desktop cd, it blocks at 87%
[07:10] <rom> and I installed via alternate
[07:10] <rom> when I log
[07:10] <cdm10> I was thinking of installing this as my main OS for the time being, I've completely broken Feisty.
[07:10] <bronson> tribe 5 suspended and resumed, and I didn't have any backlight issues.
[07:10] <Pici> !enter | rom
[07:10] <rom> the laptop BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEPS
[07:10] <ubotu> rom: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:11] <rom> until I reboot
[07:11] <bronson> Current Gutsy crashes on suspend/resume and the backlight is all horked up.
[07:11] <cdm10> I'm stuck in Windows 'till I either reinstall Feisty or use Gutsy... so I was thinking of waiting 'till the beta and installing that.
[07:11] <Pici> If you all were running Tribe 5 and were keeping the updates up-to-date, then you were running the same versions as beta.
[07:11] <rom> no
[07:12] <Pici> Anyway, if you have bugs, feel free to log them, thats what beta testing is for.
[07:12] <rom> for me it worked
[07:12] <rom> with tribes 5
[07:12] <rom> updated
[07:12] <rom> not with beta
[07:12] <slackern> !enter | rom
[07:12] <ubotu> rom: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:12] <cdm10> !enter > rom
[07:12] <rom> ok sorry
[07:12] <slackern> :)
[07:12] <cdm10> Doesn't really matter, my system's already screwed up so I don't really care how much the beta screws it up. I'll reinstall from feisty if it comes to that.
[07:13] <bronson> cdm10: I wouldn't worry too much.  Other than suspend/resume and the backlight on my thinkpad, the beta seems great.
[07:13] <Pici> bronson: What model thinkpad?
[07:13] <DanaG> Hint for suspend: dig around in /etc/default/acpi-support.
[07:13] <bronson> Pici: T42p
[07:13] <cdm10> bronson: well, s/r was already broken for my by the nVidia driver, so I don't really use it.
[07:13] <cdm10> DanaG: Yeah, that's helpful.
[07:13] <Pici> bronson: hm.  Backlight is working normally on my T60.
[07:13] <DanaG> On my laptop, I have 'save vbe state' true, 'vbe post' false, and 'save pci state' true.
[07:14] <DanaG> Note that those are not the exact parameter names.
[07:14] <bronson> Pici: it's probably the old ATI adapter in mine?
[07:14] <bronson> (which supports compiz beautifully btw)
[07:14] <acuster> well let's try installing the beta, eh?
[07:14] <Pici> bronson: Could be any number of things.
[07:15] <bronson> I suppose.  Usually these things magically clear up in a week or two.
[07:15] <bronson> Same thing happened in Edgy and Feisty.
[07:15] <bronson> If it's still not fixed in a few days, I'll file a bug.
[07:15] <bronson> Ah, drat.  Gutsy git is still 1.5.2.
[07:16] <pwuertz> anyone got that "gnome-appearance-properties" take 100% cpu time bug?
[07:19] <rom> :'o I can't have gutsy beta on my laptop... feisty doen't work, gutsy beta doesn't work, but gutsy tribes 5 works
[07:19] <rom> strange o_O
[07:20] <Pici> rom: Have you checked md5sums?
[07:20] <rom> no
[07:20] <rom> I will check
[07:21] <rom> dbd3faba3997e43f9fae3157acdbb0ce *kubuntu-7.10-beta-alternate-i386.iso
[07:21] <rom> what's the command
[07:21] <rom> to check
[07:21] <rom> ?
[07:21] <rom> md5 ... ?
[07:22] <`Matir> md5sum
[07:22] <Pici> !verify | rom
[07:22] <ubotu> rom: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[07:24] <rom> md5 is ok
[07:24] <rom> for the iso
[07:24] <Jaymac> did you try an upgrade from tribe 5?
[07:25] <rom> I tried, before formatting
[07:25] <rom> it worked
[07:25] <rom> but I had a problem with my wifi card that some other people with the same computer have not
[07:25] <rom> so I wanted to try from a clean install
[07:25] <rom> but it doesn't work
[07:28] <Esteth> If i run update-manager -d to upgrade, and i end up messing up my installation, is there a way to roll back to feisty?
[07:28] <amio> hi need help please something wrong ith the graphics pc works slower and when I move some window it moves slowely with some shaking on the background ho to reinstall drivers of ATI I tried from the main web site of ati but pc failed to work in normal mode only in safe
[07:30] <bronson> amio: did you try lowering your desktop effects setting?
[07:30] <bronson> What graphics adapter?
[07:30] <amio> bronson they are the most low no effects at all I disabled them
[07:31] <amio> all was fine with 7.4 but now its not so good
[07:33] <Pici> amio: Are you running the gutsy restricted drivers for your ati?
[07:33] <amio> pici no I am not because even before I had it and it stops graphics. I tried runing it again though but same I disabled it now
[07:34] <Pici> amio: What ati card do you have?
[07:35] <amio> rv350
[07:35] <Hobbsee> Esteth: no
[07:36] <Pici> amio: It should be working with the restricted driver.  I have a card based off the same series and it works fine.
[07:36] <amio> ok one question though is rv a radeon or radeon mobility?
[07:37] <amio> rv350
[07:38] <Pici> amio: I'm not sure.  I have an x1400 in my laptop which is based off of the 300 series chipset.
[07:38] <Esteth> To make sure: before upgrading, i should: remove drivers installed with envy, remove compiz-fusion, and remove anything unnessecary from the "start these apps at startup" list?
[07:39] <Pici> Esteth: Don't tell me you use Automatix too.
[07:39] <amio> all is done but still
[07:39] <Esteth> Pici: I don't use automatix, but restricted-drivers-manager was failing to get the right drivers for my 8800series card
[07:40] <Pici> Esteth: It should work in Gutsy.
[07:40] <Pici> Esteth: I'd remove them though just to be sure.
[07:40] <amio> if you have a laptop then it wont make you problem I have other laptop with m700 ati and it worked with no problem just desktop pis making such which I am now using it
[07:40] <Pici> Esteth: And backup, of course.
[07:40] <Pici> amio: What exactly happens when you use the restricted drivers?
[07:41] <Esteth> Pici: Ok, there's nothing really important on this machine anyway, really. a few bits and pieces it'd be a little annoying to lose, but nothing that would be devastating if i lost it.
[07:41] <Pici> Esteth: As long as you understand the risks :)
[07:42] <Esteth> Pici: As far as i know, it can't go as far as making my computer unable to just wipe the partition and install feisty from scratch, right?
[07:42] <Pici> Yep.
[07:43] <amio> in 7.4 all what  I get is all effects gets disabled beryl and compiz so I didnt install it its an fglrx driver named xorg-driver-fglrx  here now as the pc anyway doesnt work good even if I install doesnt make any difference
[07:43] <Esteth> Ok, thanks for the help :)
[07:44] <Pici> amio: Yes, but have you tried the restricted driver manager in Gutsy?
[07:45] <amio> pici I think I said I did nothing makes changes its not changing anything
[07:45] <amio>  even after restarting
[07:45] <Pici> After restarting and enabling desktop effects it doesn't work?
[07:47] <amio> I did doesnt work
[07:47] <bronson> Anyone know offhand if it's still possible to get git 1.5.3 into Gutsy?
[07:47] <bronson> It is MUCH better than 1.5.2.
[07:48] <bronson> Well, maybe not MUCH, but it does have some pretty important new features.
[07:48] <DanaG> The safe way for new nvidia: install it yourself.
[07:48] <DanaG> And remove the packaged version.
[07:49] <pwuertz> DanaG: isn't nvidia-new up to date?
[07:49] <frostburn> usually no
[07:49] <frostburn> i also just grab the latest off nvidia's site
[07:50] <Pici> bronson: I'd check, but launchpad isnt letting me on the git-core page.
[07:50] <amio> pici also I have installed radeon ati driver and couldnt start with normal session only with safe mode till I put back the old xorg.conf file then worked
[07:50] <amio> pici also another question of the subject how to remove installed ati drivers I want to clean the pc from thtat junk
[07:51] <Pici> amio: Is this an upgrade from Feisty?
[07:51] <bronson> Pici: isn't letting you on the git-core package?  What does that mean?
[07:51] <amio> yes pici
[07:52] <Pici> bronson: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/git-core
[07:52] <Pici> amio: How have you been installing drivers? using the binary packages? envy?
[07:53] <bronson> Pici: works for me.    ...?
[07:53] <Pici> bronson: I'm using a beta version of launchpad, could be the issue
[07:54] <bronson> ah, probably.
[07:55] <amio> pici I did ot install any driver neither before nor now just installed the ubuntu and it worked out well now with this upgrade nothing good works
[07:55] <step1> hi just launched 7.10 live and qwerty + 800x600 display is not fun :(
[07:56] <step1> is this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/49827 the right bug to hit ?
[07:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 49827 in xorg "Available resolutions incompletely set to 1024x768, 800x600, 640x480" [High,Confirmed] 
[07:57] <ReL1K> `Matir: starting compiz first doesn't work either btw
[07:57] <yaser> after last upgrade i cant enter Gdm, I get an X error with two warnings of two process that suposedly are running with "setuid"(i dont know what it is) and then it tries to load my /home/user/.profile, wich is a compiz configuration file and finally reports and error and nothing more. Who can help debug this?
[07:57] <yaser> where i cant get the text of this errors, now i inter into failsafe session?
[07:58] <yaser> where i cant get the text of these errors, now i inter into failsafe session?
[07:58] <step1> ubotu: but i did not see any mention of the beta
[07:58] <step1> should I mention it or is it implicit ?
[07:58] <napkin> are chances good that the upgrade from 7.10 beta to 7.10 final will be smooth?
[07:59] <ReL1K> how long is main going to be locked for updates?
[07:59] <JohnFlux> Hey all
[08:00] <step1> any human to help me ?
[08:00] <JohnFlux> i'm running Gutsy.  I need to fsck my external hard disk.  When I plug in my external hard disk, I get
[08:00] <JohnFlux> Sep 27 18:54:49  kernel: [  398.924760]  Assertion failure in dx_probe() at fs/ext3/namei.c:384: "dx_get_limit(entries) == dx_root_limit(dir, root->info.info_length)"
[08:00] <JohnFlux> Sep 27 18:54:49  kernel: [  398.924833]  ------------[ cut here ] ------------
[08:00] <JohnFlux> Sep 27 18:54:49  kernel: [  398.924836]  kernel BUG at fs/ext3/namei.c:384!
[08:01] <timucin_kizilay> hi !, I've downloaded the kubuntu 7.10 beta iso and when I boot my computer with it, it ask username and password. so, what is that username and password?
[08:01] <yaser> Pici,  where can i get the text of these errors, now i enter into failsafe session and how do i know wich are the warning proceses?
[08:01] <JohnFlux> timucin_kizilay: it's a secret
[08:02] <timucin_kizilay> I've tried kubuntu with no luck... :(
[08:02] <yaser> timucin_kizilay, well in my case the password is telemaco, try and see,:-)
[08:03] <JohnFlux> how do I turn off automount, just temporarily
[08:03] <JohnFlux> so I can plug in my device :)
[08:03] <timucin_kizilay> the older live cd's did not ask me login, they just show me the desktop, but now it's waiting on the login screen. (yes, it's my laptop and I'm on my desktop pc so I can ask this here)
[08:03] <`Matir> does anyone know of a good GUI tool for displaying partition free/used/total space?
[08:04] <yaser> timucin_kizilay, keep with the older live CD
[08:04] <yaser> `Matir, baobab
[08:04] <yaser> `Matir, it is already installed
[08:04] <`Matir> yaser: k, thanks
[08:05] <timucin_kizilay> Bu I want to try the beta release. the older version (7.04) is already installed in the hard disk.
[08:06] <marlun> When moving files over the network from a windows share it keeps timing out after about 1 minute, is this a bug or do I need to change some configuration?
[08:06] <timucin_kizilay> is that an error? I think live cd should go directly to the desktop.
[08:07] <yaser> timucin_kizilay, your sister installed the system?
[08:07] <step1> timucin_kizilay: i use the 7.10 live beta it goes right to desktop
[08:07] <`Matir> timucin_kizilay, it probably is... i haven't downloaded it to test yet, but i would suspect it is
[08:07] <`Matir> timucin_kizilay, are you certain it booted the cd?
[08:07] <timucin_kizilay> yaser? what are you trying to tell me? if you do not know just shut up...
[08:08] <yaser> timucin_kizilay, in that case ask her the password
[08:08] <timucin_kizilay> yes, it booted the cd but it's waiting on the login screen and it's not the feisty login screen, it's the new one.
[08:08] <`Matir> timucin_kizilay, try "ubuntu"... that would definitely be the user, not sure about the password... never had a livecd look for a login
[08:09] <timucin_kizilay> maybe it's a problem with my hardware, I have and old asus a2h notebook with sis chipset.
[08:09] <timucin_kizilay> I've tried the ubuntu username but still no desktop. it keeps returning to the desktop.
[08:09] <stdin> timucin_kizilay: what liveCD is it? a tribe, daily or beta ?
[08:09] <timucin_kizilay> it's beta.
[08:10] <timucin_kizilay> I've downloaded it today, about 2 hours ago.
[08:10] <yaser> timucin_kizilay, i dont think it has any thing to do with your hardware, more likely with your sister putting some pass during install
[08:10] <joakim-> "Way back in the day (2004), President Bush promised to send people to Mars. NewScientist reported that the cost of the mission was "expected to cost $40 billion to $80 billion". That really seemed like a lot of money. A year earlier, in 2003, Bush sent his country's soldiers into Iraq. It is believed that as of September 27, 2007, the war in Iraq has cost the USA a whopping 454 Billion dollars!"
[08:10] <stdin> timucin_kizilay: and you've done all the usual stuff, like verifying the md5sum, burnt at the lowest speed and checked the cd for integrity?
[08:11] <yaser> timucin_kizilay, in fact i do know very much about it because it happened to me,:-)
[08:11] <joakim-> whoops
[08:11] <joakim-> sorry!
[08:11] <calc> joakim-: you sure its only 454B? that may be the yearly cost
[08:11] <joakim-> wrong channel
[08:11] <joakim-> its a quote, so no ;)
[08:11] <joakim-> i have no idea
[08:11] <calc> ok, bbl, lunch
[08:11] <timucin_kizilay> yes, I'm not a total noob, I've burned it with 4x speed with k3b and checked the md5 and before booting, I've done a cd check too.
[08:12] <stdin> timucin_kizilay: then it's probably a bug which you should report
[08:12] <timucin_kizilay> I think so...
[08:13] <Laibsch> How can I set TERM to be vt100 by default for all users instead of xterm?
[08:13] <yaser> timucin_kizilay, tried to boot into text mode?(Ctrl-Alt-F1)
[08:13] <timucin_kizilay> maybe I should make a bug report. I think the problem is with the sis graphics chip.
[08:14] <yaser> timucin_kizilay, what about entering into failsafe session from start
[08:14] <timucin_kizilay> text mode is ok, no problem. the problem is with graphics.
[08:14] <yaser> timucin_kizilay,?
[08:15] <yaser> timucin_kizilay, in text mode you can login properly?
[08:15] <step1> timucin_kizilay: try ubuntu/no password
[08:15] <timucin_kizilay> yes, I've tried the ubuntu user with no password but it tries to load kde and returns back to login screen.
[08:16] <timucin_kizilay> yes, I can login with text mode.
[08:16] <yaser> timucin_kizilay, are you really really sure your sister wasnt around during install?:-)
[08:16] <step1> timucin_kizilay: are you talking about the last 7.10 beta live iso ?
[08:17] <timucin_kizilay> yes, I'm talking about the latest 7.10 beta live iso.
[08:17] <yaser> timucin_kizilay, well if you can login properly with text mode and not with graphics then its surely a bug, a rare one but..
[08:17] <timucin_kizilay> yaser, there is no one near my computers now.
[08:17] <step1> timucin_kizilay: i didn't get this problem
[08:18] <step1> and ubuntu/no pass worked when I relaunched X
[08:18] <yaser> timucin_kizilay, step1 me either, i use Gnome but anyway
[08:18] <timucin_kizilay> I'm using this laptop since 6.06 and it was running ok with some tweaking and it's running 7.04 without problems.
[08:21] <timucin_kizilay> ok, thank you... I'll try to install the server version and manualy install the kde-desktop, maybe that will work better for me.
[08:22] <stdin> timucin_kizilay: if you want to install use the alternate cd, or just upgrade from feisty
[08:23] <timucin_kizilay> I'll upgrade from feisty when the release version comes out, I was just trying to test it now.
[08:23] <timucin_kizilay> I do not want to install a beta version on my working system so I just wanted to try the live cd.
[08:26] <ReL1K> Anyone know when I extend my monitor to dual head and run compiz, the entire background goes white, the cube, everything else works find except my desktop is completely gone
[08:26] <ReL1K> im using the gm965
[08:26] <timucin_kizilay> I think the problem is with the cd drive, I've done the cd test on the boot screen and the firt time it passed and now I tried again and it failed and now I'm trying the cd test for the third time and it's nearly finished without error so the drive is going crazy.
[08:26] <ReL1K> and have to run SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace to get it to run right
[08:28] <soothsayer> My sound system locks up intermittently. Anybody have any troubleshooting pointers (not !sound).
[08:30] <ReL1K> any ideas?
[08:30] <tezem> I just upgraded to Gutsy from Feisty and my xorg.conf was overritten somehow even if I wasnt asked. Is it somehow possible to get it back again somehow
[08:31] <soothsayer> Check /etc/X11/ for backup files
[08:31] <tezem> soothsayer: yes there are loads of them but none of them seems to be my old one
[08:31] <soothsayer> tezem: Sorry I don't know then
[08:32] <soothsayer> tezem: (Had a similar problem yesterday)
[08:33] <tezem> This should be fixed. Now I am typing on a system with tiny fonts with the wrong keymap and without a working mouse wheel
[08:33] <Pici> tezem: Have you checked launchpad or filed a bug for it?
[08:34] <tezem> not yet first I will have to fix my system afterwards I may check
[08:35] <Jork_> helo folks
[08:36] <Jork_> how works latest gutsy beta?
[08:37] <riotkittie> it works. but again, it's a beta, and there are likely to be issues
[08:37] <Jork_> aha
[08:38] <riotkittie> Pici: i'm kind of worried about that, myself
[08:38] <Jork_> thnx <riotkittie>
[08:38] <soothsayer> Sometimes filing meaningful bug reports is not easy.
[08:38] <soothsayer> s/easy/possible
[08:38] <Pici> But its better than not filing them at all.
[08:38] <riotkittie> indeed.
[08:38] <Pici> Some people just come here, complain, and then think that they did their part.
[08:39] <Jork_> :)
[08:39] <Pici> The fact of the matter is that most of the devs are either not in this channel or not paying attention to it.
[08:39] <riotkittie> i wonder if i should file a bug report about my wireless :x
[08:39] <ReL1K> im postin right now on the compiz issue on intel
[08:39] <ReL1K> and dual heads
[08:41] <rathel> I filed a bug.. lol but in the wrong section would it be wrong of me to file another one in the right section this time?
[08:47] <unggnu> rathel, section?
[08:47] <unggnu> rathel, just change package
[08:47] <soothsayer> Anybody know the command that produces a test sound for alsa?
[08:48] <soothsayer> Nevemind, 'speaker-test'
[08:53] <map_> hi. I'm trying out the new beta atm, and I can't find how to set the number of workspaces. where has that option been hidden?
[08:53] <muszek> hi
[08:55] <frostburn> anyone know if openvpn nm resolv.conf has been fixed in gutsy?
[08:55] <Pici> map_: If you have enabled desktop effects then it is in those config settings.
[08:55] <Pici> frostburn: Do you know a bug #?
[08:56] <frostburn> let me see
[08:56] <frostburn> 96260
[08:57] <Pici> Bug #96260
[08:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 96260 in network-manager-openvpn "n-m-openvpn: resolv.conf is erased if endpoint does not push DNS servers" [Low,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/96260
[08:57] <muszek> I just booted beta live cd on my dell inspiron 1720 (pretty much the same hardware as Ubuntu-based 1420N) and the sound card is not detected at all... is this problem known?  I can't find anything on launchpad.
[08:57] <Pici> ubotu: thanks
[08:57] <ubotu> You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)
[08:57] <frostburn> triaged means there's a hack?
[08:57] <slasher> hey, how can i keep apt from updating certain packages?
[08:58] <Reaby> anybody know how to disable blinkin -0:00:00 text in kaffeine when watching digital tv ?
[08:58] <soothsayer> frostburn:  triage: sorting and allocating aid on the basis of need
[08:58] <soothsayer> slasher: You can use a hold or use apt-pinning
[08:58] <map_> Pici, desktop effects were enabled by default, and I can't find the option in either preferences->appearance nor preferences->window.
[08:58] <Pici> frostburn: I'm not sure, and theres no way for me to test.
[08:58] <tallman> hello
[08:58] <tallman> I just downloaded using jigdo from a local mirrror almost all the image of ubuntu-7.10-alternate-beta-i386
[08:58] <soothsayer> slasher: What is the time-frame you want to not upgrade the package for? (temporary or long-term?)
[08:58] <tallman> the where 2 files I couldn't get from even the official mirror
[08:58] <Pici> map_: How about preferences->appearance> and then the effects tab, I think theres a config button on there.
[08:59] <tallman> where=were
[08:59] <riotkittie> map_: it's on one of the appearance tabs. do you have tabs there?
[08:59] <tallman> the where 2 files I couldn't get from even the official mirror
[08:59] <tallman> so I decided to download the rest using .torrent
[08:59] <tallman> and it "successfully" dowloaded the missing chunks
[08:59] <slasher> untill deskbar-applet stops using the rediculous window layout they came up with, so i'm guessing long term
[08:59] <riotkittie> it took me forever to find it
[08:59] <tallman> but the md5sums don't correspond :(
[08:59] <savvas> If i had ubuntu gutsy tribe 5, and upgraded, did it get automatically the beta?
[08:59] <map_> Pici, nope, the visual effects tab only has a selection of "none", "normal" and "extra"
[08:59] <Pici> !final | savvas
[08:59] <ubotu> savvas: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.
[09:00] <Pici> map_: Install compizconfig-settings-manager.
[09:00] <savvas> aye, thanks Pici
[09:00] <map_> Pici, ok, definately a usability bug then :)
[09:00] <Pici> map_: I agree.
[09:00] <savvas> The following packages have unmet dependencies: sun-java6-bin: Depends: sun-java6-jre (= 6-03-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[09:01] <savvas> bummer
[09:01] <Pici> !info sun-java6-jre
[09:01] <ubotu> sun-java6-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-02-1ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 6178 kB, installed size 14164 kB
[09:01] <savvas> yeah i know i know
[09:02] <tallman> DCCso, the official torrnent file at official ubuntu mirror for gutsy beta must be wrong
[09:02] <Pici> tallman: why do you say that?
[09:03] <slasher> soothsayer: I'm thinking the package isn't gonna be updated long term, how would i do that?
[09:03] <map_> oh, nice, unionfs just crashed. dmesg says: kernel BUG at /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-2.6.22/debian/build/build-generic/fs/unionfs/inode.c:1057. anyone else had this?
[09:03] <savvas> Pici: so the new sun-java6-jre wasn't added in the repos, right?
[09:03] <soothsayer> slasher: http://dpaste.com/20834/
[09:03] <tallman> Pici: because I checked the md5sum
[09:03] <soothsayer> slasher: Also see 'man apt_preferences'
[09:03] <soothsayer> slasher: ^ That goes in /etc/apt/preferences
[09:03] <Pici> tallman: Didn't you say that you started the http iso download and finished with the torrent?
[09:03] <tallman> Pici: for the alternate version
[09:04] <Pici> map_: I saw something in the release notes about unionfs, did you look at that?
[09:04] <slasher> soothsayer: thank you
[09:04] <Pici> tallman: And we're talking about the md5 of that, right?
[09:04] <tallman> Pici: no, I downloaded the rest using torrent protocol
[09:04] <tallman> so now it is seeding
[09:05] <Pici> tallman: Sometimes downloads are just corrupt, it doesnt mean that the file on the server is corrupt.  We would have had a lot more people come in here talking about it.
[09:05] <tallman> hm..the Ktorrent did the hash check
[09:05] <tallman> against the .torrent file
[09:06] <tallman> how can it be corrupt?
[09:06] <Pici> tallman: the .torrent file doesnt matter, its the ISO that you need to check the md5 against.
[09:07] <soothsayer> slasher: Actually, you should probably put 'version' as the version you want, and Pin-Priority: 1500 (or anything above 1000). The one I posted would have prevented a specific set of versions from being installed. This way you force a specific version to be installed (ignoring upgrades)
[09:08] <tallman> Pici: it matters...it checks for corrupt chunks
[09:08] <tallman> and downloads the mising ones
[09:09] <Pici> tallman: You said it yourself that the it failed the md5 check. I'm not sure what we are discussing now.
[09:09] <map_> Pici, found it. it's bug #144043. hope it gets fixed :/
[09:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144043 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "kernel BUG at /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-2.6.22/debian/build/build-generic/fs/unionfs/inode.c:1057!" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144043
[09:10] <map_> yeah, that one :)
[09:10] <Pici> map_: Good to see its been logged.
[09:10] <tallman> Pici: sorry, I think you didn't fully understand me..
[09:10] <Pici> tallman: Yeah. I'm not sure I did, sorry.
[09:10] <kyja> I try to install gutsy on my hp zd8000. seems there is lack of cpu scailing or something becuase it over clocks in middle of installer and shuts me down like the plug was pulled.
[09:12] <map_> another question: when I activate windows using the mouse, they sort of "blink" or change transparency very quickly, and I find it quite annoying. is this a bug or a feature?
[09:16] <baastrup> hey there, im having problems with my nvidia gefroce 3 ti 500, wont load the prob,  drivers
[09:17] <DShepherd> anyone have a two "Document" entries in the Places menu? what's causing that?
[09:17] <CountX> my sound dont work in games:(
[09:18] <Fishy> How unstable is the latest beta? Any major problems?
[09:18] <CountX> Fishy, what do you consider unstable?
[09:18] <kyja> CountX, check pcm volume. with gnome-volume-control
[09:18] <BigBambi>  Hi all, I have a probably simple and definitely stupid problem :(  I minimized an app (xchat) to system tray then accidentally removed the icon from the system tray, so now when I minimize xchat it disappears.  Any ideas on how I get the minimized icon on the system tray back?  (Ubuntu Gutsy).
[09:19] <Fishy> Countx; I do not run a nuclear plant or plan to use my computer for a trip to Mars
[09:19] <ReL1K> Fishy: , i got it, isn't bad
[09:19] <CountX> Fishy, i do
[09:19] <ReL1K> stable
[09:19] <bking93> Fishy: Its more stable than Gentoo ever was, though that's not saying a whole lot.
[09:19] <CountX> kyja, nvm my sound isnt working at all right now, and PCM is all the way up
[09:20] <Fishy> Ok, so no kernel panics or major issues for any of you guys?
[09:20] <map_> Fishy, I got the live cd to crash in under 30 minutes :/
[09:20] <Fishy> samba, ssh, vnc all ok?
[09:21] <CountX> Fishy, i dont use any of those
[09:22] <Fishy> map_: Ok I am considering an upgrade from kubuntu edgy. You guys probably get this "how stable is it" question every time a beta is released I suppose :)
[09:22] <CountX> Fishy, if i were u i wouldnt "upgrade" just make a new partition
[09:22] <Fishy> But betas in the linux-world tend to be relatively stable.
[09:23] <Fishy> Countx: hehe, the available space on my harddrive doesn't allow me to do such crazy things.
[09:23] <bking93> Fishy: I've been running it for ~2 months (I think).  No kernel panics, though apparmor kills things for me at present and networkmanager got b0rked a couple of times.
[09:23] <CountX> Fishy, i upgraded from feisty and it poopes
[09:24] <Fishy> bking93: And the consequences of the network manager bogus was that your connection did not work?
[09:24] <bking93> Yep.  Wireless, anyways.
[09:24] <DShepherd> anyone have two "Document" entries in the Places menu? what's causing that?
[09:24] <bking93> But it was usually fixed within a day.
[09:24] <CountX> Fishy, my wireless works, and it didnt work in feisty
[09:25] <CountX> bcm3412 card
[09:25] <bking93> CountX:  Mine didn't, either.  ipw4965
[09:25] <Fishy> hmm, I think I will try an upgrade (and will not blame you guys when or if I run into problems) :b
[09:25] <bking93> (or now its iwl4965)
[09:25] <DShepherd> that's with the beta live cd ... ^
[09:25] <Fishy> Countx: I got a fairly standard onboard ethernet-card so that will not be an issue
[09:25] <kaminix> I have a problem with Gutsy. Just one actually. There's no scim-skim package available, how do I get Japanese typing in KDE? :p
[09:26] <map_> DShepherd, yes
[09:26] <CountX> kaminix, use gnome
[09:26] <CountX> lol
[09:26] <Fishy> As long as samba and ssh works I will be fine really. Guess the standard gpl-utils are rock solid even in a beta.
[09:27] <kaminix> CountX: Oh noes, I like my KDE <3
[09:27] <DShepherd> map_, know why that is happening?
[09:27] <Fishy> thanks for the info guys
[09:27] <atlfalcons866> how can install gusty beta
[09:27] <CountX> kaminix, and i like sound, but i dont have it :(
[09:27] <CountX> !gutsy
[09:28] <CountX> come on ubotu
[09:28] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[09:28] <CountX> !7.10
[09:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 7.10 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:28] <miki> BigBambi: try https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/user-guide/C/panel-default.html
[09:28] <atlfalcons866> !fiesty
[09:28] <ubotu> It is spelt "FEIsty" :)
[09:28] <bking93> CountX:  hda_intel?
[09:28] <CountX> hahaha
[09:28] <atlfalcons866> !dapper
[09:28] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th release of Ubuntu.  Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake".
[09:28] <Pici> !msgthebot
[09:28] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[09:28] <CountX> atlfalcons866, :P
[09:28] <BigBambi> miki: Thanks, will take a look
[09:28] <map_> DShepherd, fixed yesterday apparently. see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-user-dirs-gtk/+bug/122602
[09:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122602 in xdg-user-dirs-gtk "Duplicated entries in Places Menu" [Medium,Fix committed] 
[09:29] <atlfalcons866> is it possible to upgrade to gusty right now
[09:29] <DShepherd> map_, kool thanks
[09:29] <rom> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/145743 double bug for me with gutsy beta : desktop & alternate
[09:29] <rom> :(
[09:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145743 in ubuntu "kubuntu 7.10 beta desktop cd freeze at 87%" [Undecided,New] 
[09:29] <bking93> atlfalcons866:  Sure.  Just change your sources.list and "apt-get dist-upgrade"
[09:29] <CountX> atlfalcons866, download the cd, and make a new partition for it
[09:29] <atlfalcons866> i cant resize my partitions cuz i use JFS
[09:30] <atlfalcons866> and i dont have a cd burner
[09:30] <savvas> atlfalcons866: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[09:30] <slasher> does anyone else here have a problem getting gutsy to go into standby when running fglrx 8.41?
[09:30] <CountX> atlfalcons866, what  type of computer are you running!
[09:31] <CountX> slackern, my computer never did "standyby" in any distro of linux
[09:31] <CountX> slackern, something about the bios
[09:31] <slackern> mooo
[09:31] <atlfalcons866> p3 933Mhz it was a bisness machine i got a slim one with no cd burner
[09:32] <savvas> slackern: the stable is a bit further the keyobard :p
[09:32] <slackern> hehe
[09:32] <DBO> I am having a problem where the upgrade tool is reporting a package is not trusted
[09:32] <DBO> I don't really know what to do...
[09:32] <slasher> CountX: I had standby working with fglrx 8.41 and feisty's 2.6.20 kernel but gutsy never wanted to do it
[09:32] <savvas> DBO: which package
[09:32] <DBO> 2007-09-27 15:29:56,724 ERROR pre-requists item 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/release-upgrader-dpkg/release-upgrader-dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu11.2_i386.udeb' is NOT trusted
[09:33] <slasher> CountX: standby even works if i run the vesa driver
[09:33] <savvas> DBO: you added new repository links and it complained because you haven't added their apt key
[09:33] <CountX> slasher, im on an hp laptop and it never worked for me
[09:33] <savvas> !
[09:33] <savvas> hm
[09:34] <slasher> damn, i really hope 8.42 fixes that
[09:34] <DBO> savvas, where can i get it?
[09:34] <savvas> DBO: it should be .deb, not .udeb
[09:34] <BigBambi> miki: Thanks very much, that page pointed me in the right direction.  All fixed now
[09:34] <savvas> unless I'm wrong
[09:34] <ConstyXIV> what ports does gnome-btdownload use?
[09:35] <savvas> DBO: did you play with the sources.list file?
[09:35] <DBO> no but I been getting the unauthenticated errors since my upgrade to feisty
[09:36] <miki> BigBambi: i am happy for you
[09:36] <DBO> its using the us servers now, before I was using straight archive.ubuntu.com
[09:37] <atlfalcons866> when will gusty be stable
[09:37] <ConstyXIV> atlfalcons866: late october
[09:37] <atlfalcons866> what kernel is gusty using
[09:37] <muszek> is there any way to "restart the sound"?  my sound card isn't working and I did what https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingUbuntuOnADellXPSM1330 says... only I can't reboot (it's a livecd and I don't want to install it)
[09:37] <CountX> atlfalcons866, 2.6.22.12
[09:38] <atlfalcons866> ok
[09:38] <ConstyXIV> atlfalcons866: if you run "uname -r" on any linux, it'll tell you the kernel version
[09:38] <CountX> !info kernel
[09:38] <ubotu> Package kernel does not exist in gutsy
[09:38] <CountX> !info linux
[09:38] <ubotu> linux: Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.22.12.15 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB
[09:38] <CountX> thank you
[09:39] <CountX> i still you could tell me how to get halo running
[09:39] <CountX> :)
[09:39] <CountX> ^wish
[09:39] <atlfalcons866> i am using gustys kernel now
[09:39] <muszek> someone please tell me how to restart audio...
[09:39] <atlfalcons866> fiestys kernel is too big
[09:39] <atlfalcons866> buggy
[09:39] <bking93> muszek:  /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart
[09:40] <bking93> I think
[09:40] <muszek> bking93: thanks
[09:40] <ReL1K> when i run compiz on a dual head expanded desktop, i get a "Comparing resolution (2560x1024) to maximum 3D Texture Size (2048): Failed.
[09:40] <CountX> muszek, i just restarted and my sound came back
[09:40] <ReL1K> any idea how to fix that?
[09:40] <ReL1K> also get /usr/bin/compiz.real (video) - Warn: No 8 bit GLX pixmap format, disabling YV12 image format
[09:40] <CountX> ReL1K, your card doesnt support textures over 2048
[09:40] <ReL1K> my desktop goes completely white
[09:40] <kaminix> How do I get Japanese input working on gutsy? (KDE,"but I think it's same as Gnome)
[09:40] <CountX> Reaby, turn desktop effects off
[09:40] <CountX> ReL1K, *
[09:40] <ReL1K> CountX, how do i decrease my textures then?
[09:40] <Reaby> CountX: :)
[09:41] <CountX> Reaby, lol
[09:41] <CountX> sorry Reaby
[09:41] <muszek>  warning: 'alsactl store' failed with error message 'alsactl: save_state:1253: No soundcards found...'...
[09:41] <Reaby> ReL1K: buy newer 3d card.
[09:41] <ReL1K> Reaby: kinda hard to do when i have the latest intel video card
[09:41] <CountX> ReL1K, or just turn desktop effects completely off
[09:41] <ReL1K> gm965
[09:41] <ReL1K> CountX, its not true persay, its only in extended desktop, works completely fine if i just clone the mons and don't extend
[09:42] <CountX> Reaby, yeah but when you have both on it trying to turn your windows into textures and they are too big
[09:42] <CountX> and rotate cube, thats one big texture
[09:43] <CountX> it has to turn the screens into a videogame and make everything 3d accelerated, but your screens combined are too big
[09:43] <muszek> bking93, CountX: any way to try to detect audio device again?
[09:43] <baastrup> hey there, i got compiz up and running but my windows borders are gone!
[09:43] <CountX> muszek, i unno
[09:43] <ReL1K> CountX: gotchya, any idea on how to get around it?
[09:43] <DBO> baastrup, gtk-window-decorator --replace &
[09:43] <bking93> muszek:  What sound card?
[09:43] <muszek> bking: one sec
[09:43] <baastrup> DBO at every reboot?
[09:44] <DBO> add it to your session baastrup
[09:44] <CountX> ReL1K, if turning desktop effects off doesnt help, then maybe try and turn your desktop resolution down, are you using LCD or CRT?
[09:44] <muszek> bking93: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[09:44] <muszek> bking93: it's Dell 1720 (a bigger sibling of Ubuntu-based 1420N)
[09:44] <baastrup> DBO, this is a bad bug hehe
[09:44] <ReL1K> CountX, wanted to get compiz to work with the extended, if i turn compiz off, it works fine in extended
[09:45] <ReL1K> using a LCD
[09:45] <ReL1K> one VGA one DVI
[09:45] <baastrup> DBO, do you think everyone has it?
[09:45] <bking93> muszek:  Sorry, probably won't work.  I have the same issue.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/131133
[09:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131133 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[gutsy]  no sound on Dell Latitude D630/D830/Precision M4300/Vostro 1500/1700 pci id 8086:284b" [Medium,Triaged] 
[09:45] <CountX> ReL1K, well there ya go, i think thats your problem, the card doesnt support those accelerated gfx
[09:45] <CountX> ReL1K, at those high resolutions
[09:45] <therethinker> Is the background grainy for anyone else?
[09:45] <muszek> bking93: ok, I give up then :).  thanks for your help.
[09:46] <ReL1K> CountX: gotchya
[09:46] <DBO> savvas, I really cant seem to figure out how to add that key... i thought it should have it
[09:46] <ReL1K> can i just turn my res down?
[09:46] <CountX> ReL1K, what res are you at?
[09:47] <ReL1K> 1280x1024, but my xorg is a bit different on the Virtual setting, its set to 2560 1024
[09:47] <ReL1K> secodnly, if i run compiz --replace normally, i get a blacklisted PCIID, have to run skip checks
[09:47] <ReL1K> secondly
[09:47] <CountX> lol
[09:47] <ReL1K> might be because my card is so new *shrug*
[09:47] <CountX> hmm
[09:48] <CountX> your said its an intel card?
[09:48] <savvas> DBO: if you edited any repositories in sources.list.. well it should be mentioned on the website of the repository, otherwise, I wouldn't trust it :)
[09:48] <ReL1K> yepper
[09:48] <ReL1K> Intel GM965
[09:48] <rom> hi
[09:48] <rom> when is the next beta version of gutsy?
[09:48] <savvas> muszek: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)
[09:48] <savvas> mine works
[09:49] <savvas> rom: there's only one beta version
[09:49] <rom> :'o
[09:49] <rom> but it doesn't work
[09:49] <rom> :(
[09:49] <rom> I have to redownload tribes 5
[09:49] <rom> :(
[09:49] <muszek> savvas: have you done anything to it?
[09:49] <CountX> ReL1K, http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/GM965/index.htm that it?
[09:50] <savvas> muszek: well.. the only thing I did was to go to gnome-volume-control and file > change device
[09:50] <muszek> savvas: and are you on gutsy?  it's working almost fine (external mic doesn't) on feisty
[09:50] <rom> what's your pb savvas?
[09:50] <rom> your laptop BEEEEEEPSSSSS?
[09:50] <savvas> muszek: working on feitsy and gutsy
[09:50] <ReL1K> thats it CountX
[09:50] <rom> when you starts on gutsy?
[09:50] <savvas> rom: yes
[09:50] <rom> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/145743
[09:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145743 in ubuntu "kubuntu 7.10 beta desktop cd freeze at 87%" [Undecided,New] 
[09:50] <rom> I have the same
[09:50] <rom> (hmmm, not this bug, but the link in this bug)
[09:50] <savvas> I'm on a desktop btw :)
[09:50] <CountX> ReL1K, i dont see how much ram it has on that page, or its maximum texture size....
[09:51] <rom> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/145707
[09:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145707 in ubuntu "Kubuntu gutsy beta BEEEEEEEPS when I login, and crashes" [Undecided,New] 
[09:51] <muszek> savvas: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. (when I try to open gnome-volume-control)
[09:51] <CountX> rom, mine beeps too when it gets to the login screen, i dont think much of it though...
[09:51] <savvas> rom: wait, it doesn't beep continuously, it beeps once
[09:51] <rom> arf :(
[09:52] <rom> me, it beeps until I reboot
[09:52] <rom> and freeze after about 10 seconds
[09:52] <rom> continuing beeping
[09:52] <`Matir> rom: is it from the speakers or the case speaker?
[09:52] <CountX> rom, try ubuntu
[09:52] <ReL1K> CountX: couldn't tell ya, if they are blacklisting it there must be some known issues
[09:52] <rom> the speakers of the laptop
[09:52] <savvas> muszek: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-gl gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse
[09:52] <CountX> ReL1K, gotta do some research before you get a laptop for linux
[09:53] <ReL1K> CountX, was working fine before updates
[09:53] <CountX> ReL1K, mine has a geforce 7600 in it
[09:53] <savvas> muszek: also try: sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base
[09:53] <ReL1K> and intel has a dedicated staff for open source drivers now
[09:53] <ReL1K> figured it would be a hit
[09:56] <savvas> heh, and to think yesterday this channel had 40-50 users :)
[09:57] <muszek> :)
[09:57] <DShepherd> gutsy beta is not bad at all.. well so far. Some of the icons in the menu needs still need some tango love though :-)
[09:58] <savvas> DShepherd: we'll put you in charge of that
[09:58] <savvas> :p
[09:58] <DShepherd> savvas, ok.. you savvas get to work!!
[09:58] <tezem> I just installed gutsy and wonder where I find the changes to the 3D effects. It seems very equal to the feisty stuff. And I don't know why I don't have the config program for compiz.
[09:58] <DShepherd> savvas, :-)
[09:59] <savvas> muszek: are you using a laptop? Because I have a desktop, MSI P965 Neo2 motherboard
[09:59] <`Matir> tezem: for one reason or another, the compiz control center is not installed by default
[09:59] <muszek> savvas: laptop.  dell inspiron 1720
[09:59] <ReL1K> CountX, fixed.
[09:59] <savvas> weird
[10:00] <ReL1K> changed the verbose "Failed.\n" return 1; to return 0
[10:00] <ReL1K> for the passed
[10:00] <CountX> ReL1K, all i want to do is play games :(
[10:00] <karel> will the gui xorg config work with *any* graphics card? (namely ati x1400)
[10:00] <ReL1K> works fine now.
[10:00] <ReL1K> in the compiz config
[10:00] <ReL1K> :P
[10:00] <ReL1K> not bad for a hack
[10:00] <muszek> savvas: I'm not alone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/131133
[10:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131133 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[gutsy]  no sound on Dell Latitude D630/D830/Precision M4300/Vostro 1500/1700 pci id 8086:284b" [Medium,Triaged] 
[10:00] <ReL1K> blah, still gives a white background
[10:00] <CountX> ReL1K, but people keep saying my nam ein xchat so i have to look and see if its important
[10:01] <muszek> savvas: installed all those gstreamer packages... what now?
[10:06] <savvas> muszek: also try: sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base
[10:06] <CountX> ok, sudo rm -d /folder isnt letting me delete a folder
[10:07] <muszek> savvas: did that already.  anyway, I think I'll stop wasting your time and just wait for final.
[10:09] <savvas> muszek: let's just hope it will be fixed, because I waited a whole 6 months for the next release for the ATA marvell chip to be detected
[10:10] <kbrooks> hi
[10:10] <gleblanc> Anybody know how to adjust the size of the scroll region on a trackpad?
[10:10] <kbrooks> how to upgrade to gutsy
[10:11] <savvas> kbrooks: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades
[10:12] <CountX> every time i start up a terminal it closes
[10:12] <CountX> wow
[10:12] <savvas> CountX: try ctrl-alt-F1, and ctrl-alt-F7 to go back
[10:14] <muszek> savvas: I think I would skip Gutsy... I can't live without music :)
[10:14] <kbrooks> muszek, i can :)
[10:15] <muszek> kbrooks: then we should trade laptops :)
[10:15] <kbrooks> muszek, how did u know i have a lappy? :)
[10:15] <savvas> magic :p
[10:16] <saeed> hi all
[10:16] <saeed> how's the beta version?
[10:16] <muszek> kbrooks: turn around :)
[10:16] <saeed> and why a DVD?
[10:16] <saeed> why not just a CD?
[10:17] <savvas> saeed: what dvd? http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta#head-09942533e683a9d0224069978a37043a49572274
[10:17] <saeed> gutsy gibbon
[10:18] <saeed> it came out on dvd
[10:18] <savvas> choose a country closest to you on the link i posted above
[10:18] <saeed> I am used to CDs fro ubuntu
[10:18] <savvas> they are cds
[10:18] <ReL1K> anyone have any idea why i cant make my screen  resolution 2048 and have to make it 2560? when i use xrandr it says cannot be larger than 2048x1024 (desired size 2560x1024
[10:18] <saeed> it's usually just one CD
[10:18] <savvas> saeed: and stop using cdimage.ubuntu.com :P
[10:19] <therethinker> Oh, I love how the GRUB doesn't go to the list by default, I think that will greatly improve how people feel about linux
[10:19] <kbrooks> therethinker, it wasnt done in gutsy
[10:19] <saeed> OK
[10:19] <therethinker> then... why did it not do that when I booted it>
[10:19] <savvas> saeed: try this: http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/ - it's one cd for each type of computer
[10:19] <saeed> is it really that unstable?
[10:20] <saeed> someone in ubuntu just mentioned the fact it's VERY unstable
[10:20] <kbrooks> therethinker, to rephrase, i mewan that it was not changed in gutsy. it waas changed in an earlier version.
[10:20] <kbrooks> saeed, no.
[10:20] <saeed> do they even know what they'r talking about in ubuntu?
[10:20] <savvas> not so unstable
[10:20] <kbrooks> saeed, it depends on a lot of variables.
[10:20] <savvas> saeed: on mine everything works peach so far :)
[10:20] <saeed> explain please
[10:21] <therethinker> kbrooks: huh, didn't do that for me in fiesty...
[10:21] <saeed> does compix fusion work out of the box?
[10:21] <savvas> never tried it
[10:21] <saeed> compiz-fusion
[10:21] <kbrooks> saeed, kind of processor, kind of monitor, video card, etc.
[10:21] <savvas> saeed: the only problem i faced in amd64 is the flash and java plugins
[10:21] <saeed> someone said that the novelty in gutsy gibbon is that compiz-fusion works out of the box
[10:22] <kbrooks> saeed, um
[10:22] <muszek> I'm trying to compile alsa... getting this error: "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables".  (it's livecd, so pretty much nothing is installed beyond base stuff)
[10:22] <saeed> is it true?
[10:22] <kbrooks> saeed, yes, but it falls back to a regular desktop.
[10:22] <savvas> Desktop 3D effects
[10:22] <savvas> Compiz Fusion is enabled by default and will bring 3D desktop visual effects that improve the usability and visual appeal of the system. Ubuntu 7.10 automatically detects whether the hardware is capable of running compiz; if not, it falls back to normal desktop. Additional effects can be enabled in "System/Preferences/Appearance" under the "Visual Effects" tab. There you can also disable the effects entirely.
[10:22] <saeed> what do u mean?
[10:22] <kbrooks> saeed, if the driver doesnt work with it.
[10:22] <savvas> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta read on
[10:22] <saeed> i have an intel 915 graphics card
[10:23] <saeed> will compiz-fusion work out of the box for me?
[10:23] <kbrooks> saeed, there are just too many objective and subjective variables to ever believe a blanket statement that ubuntu, by itself, comprising a OS of various programs, is unstable.
[10:23] <saeed> will CF work for my laptop?
[10:23] <savvas> saeed: try it
[10:23] <saeed> I have an intel 915 graphics card
[10:23] <saeed> OK
[10:24] <saeed> there are no proprietary drivers for intel video cards
[10:24] <baastrup> compiz gives me this:  Warn: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32
[10:24] <saeed> am I right?
[10:24] <savvas> hm
[10:24] <kbrooks> baastrup, warning
[10:24] <kbrooks> baastrup, not error
[10:24] <savvas> saeed: I've just enabled the visual effects, works great :)
[10:25] <savvas> msi nvidia nx7300gt
[10:26] <kbrooks> baastrup, and i suggest you look into a different graphical driver for your vid card and/or change the depth of your display in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. what's your video card, maybe i can help.
[10:28] <kbrooks> baastrup, if you don't know yet, go into your terminal and type lspci > ~/Desktop/lspci.txt and press enter. then pastebin lspci.txt from your Desktop.
[10:28] <tezem> Where do I have to set the number of virtual workspaces in gnome. I don't find it anymore. :)
[10:29] <minimec> tezem: right click on the workspace-switcher-applet
[10:30] <tezem> minimec: that was my idea before too but setting 4 workspaces doesn't work
[10:31] <minimec> tezem: Your on compiz ;) You have to set them in the compiz configuration manager in the general settings.
[10:32] <tezem> minimec: and there is the strange thing. I set it and it seems I still have only one workspace or I did something wrong. Therefore I thought I have to set it in gnome.
[10:32] <gleblanc> OK, so, not only does my main hard drive not show up
[10:32] <gleblanc> but I also can't boot to windows anymore
[10:33] <gleblanc> How do I go about changing to boot loader to boot from the correct partition?
[10:35] <minimec> tezem: I had the same problem. generel settings '1 Desktop'; '4 Workspaces'. I can't tell you exactly because I am on a feisty machine here.
[10:35] <hendrixski> so, I understand that gutsy is going to have better support for dual monitor displays?
[10:36] <ReL1K> I'm using the Intel GM965 on Gutsy latest, if i run xrandr --output VGA --right-of TMDS-1, it extends my desktop to 2560x1024 for dual heads. If I run compiz, it tells me "Comparing resolution (2560x1024) to Maximum 3D texture size (2048): Failed. If I run it without the extended it works fine. Is this because of a limitation in my intel card or a driver issue? If I change the failed = 1 to...
[10:36] <ReL1K> ...failed = 0 (which is pass) everything works fine except my entire desktop background goes white. Does this mean my card doesn't support 2560 resolution for 3d rendering?
[10:36] <hendrixski> will that work on laptops trying to set up dual monitor displays as well?
[10:36] <ReL1K> I know the Intel GM965 is currently blacklisted
[10:36] <savvas> hendrixski: we surely hope so, the "screens and graphics" looks promising
[10:37] <ReL1K> The Intel GM965 is very new, just came out...
[10:37] <hendrixski> savvas, oh man, I'm looking forward to that 'cause I just tried setting up xinerama on feisty, so that my laptop can dual display... and I wanted to shoot myself
[10:37] <tezem> minimec: General - Desktop Size - Number of Desktops 1 - VIrtual Size n?
[10:37] <hendrixski> savvas, that isn't being backported to feisty is it?
[10:38] <lerolero> oh the joy of using ubuntu+1
[10:38] <savvas> hendrixski: the screens and graphics thingy? no idea
[10:38] <saeed> hi again
[10:38] <hendrixski> :-/
[10:38] <minimec> tezem: That's it. + virtual Destop and then 4 workspaces.
[10:38] <saeed> where can I download the beta version of gutsy?
[10:38] <ReL1K> !google
[10:38] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[10:38] <savvas> hendrixski: try search for it on http://packages.ubuntu.com :)
[10:38] <saeed> all i was able to find was a DVD
[10:38] <hendrixski> right
[10:39] <saeed> I just want one CD
[10:39] <savvas> saeed: you again?
[10:39] <saeed> not a whole DVD
[10:39] <saeed> yes
[10:39] <saeed> please
[10:39] <saeed> I got disconnected
[10:39] <saeed> and lost my downloads
[10:39] <savvas> saeed: unless you're suffering from alzheimer's.. I've already answered
[10:39] <savvas> http://releases.ubuntu.com
[10:39] <saeed> please, all I need is a link
[10:39] <lerolero> anyone here using evolution and search folders ?
[10:39] <`Matir> xrandr is awesome for dual-head
[10:39] <saeed> thanks
[10:39] <savvas> n/p
[10:39] <savvas> :)
[10:40] <gleblanc> Can ubuntu normally read NTFS filesystems?
[10:40] <jens_>  hello; I have a problem with the 7.10 beta when running it in vmware; It seems like I can't change the screen resolution. When I click aply I get a screen asking for confirmation; but nothing changes
[10:40] <saeed> the download is soooo slow
[10:40] <jsomers> it should be able to by default yes
[10:40] <ReL1K> `Matir: any clue on my idea? :P you got me through my first hump hehe.
[10:40] <ReL1K> urr my problem
[10:40] <jens_>  as wel as in preferences;screen resolution as in administration; screens and graphics
[10:40] <ReL1K> im guessing its a driver issue
[10:40] <savvas> jens_: you click the "keep resolution"
[10:41] <jsomers> gleblanc: for writing it might be advised to install ntfs-3g, but reading should be possible by default
[10:41] <jens_> I did that
[10:41] <jens_> it didn't even change
[10:41] <saeed> anybody ever tried mint linux?
[10:41] <saeed> how's it different from ubuntu?
[10:41] <gleblanc> jsomers: so, I just installd gparted, and it says that it's unable to read this partition
[10:41] <gleblanc> jsomers: is that bad?
[10:41] <osmosis> i installed gutsy server beta...and for some reason my eth devices are  eth2 and eth3, rather then eth0 and eth1 ...but /etc/network/interfaces was set for eth0, so no interfaces loaded at boot.
[10:42] <osmosis> I can't find the xen server packages on amd64
[10:42] <lerolero> anyone here using evolution and search folders ?
[10:43] <lerolero> can't find the labels while creating a new search folder.
[10:43] <lerolero> (assigning labels work just fine...)
[10:43] <ReL1K> CountX, found some stats on the GM965, it supports 2048x1536, however says it only supports 2560
[10:44] <baastrup> He im getting the following Warn: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32
[10:45] <khermans_> anyone else see 2 printer menus in System -> Administration in gutsy?
[10:45] <lerolero> khermans_: just one here.
[10:45] <Stutterguard> I'm running gutsy and when my machine boots it is only able to mount the root (/) LVM volume
[10:45] <khermans_> lerolero, latest updates?
[10:46] <lerolero> khermans_: yeap.
[10:46] <Stutterguard> for others, I must run vgscan --mknodes
[10:46] <khermans_> hrmm..
[10:46] <hetauma> hi
[10:46] <baastrup> Im missing the windows borders when using compiz. and I get this error Warn: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32, Error: Couldn't create cairo context for switcher
[10:46] <hetauma> how do I enable compiz fusion on gutsy?
[10:46] <khermans_> lerolero, when you mose over it, does it say "configure printers" or "configure your printers" ?  i have both
[10:47] <lerolero> khermans_: actually, it says 'Printing'
[10:47] <jens_> ok; so my resolution only changes after I restart X
[10:47] <khermans_> lerolero, yes that is the item name, but when you mouse over it ?
[10:48] <minimec> baastrup: change your default depth to 24 in /etc/xorg.conf. That should do.
[10:48] <khermans_> lerolero, what pops up when you hold your mouse over it?
[10:48] <baastrup> minimec, can I do that in x with gui
[10:49] <lerolero> khermans_: uhmmm.. nothing, actually.
[10:49] <khermans_> lerolero, it should say something
[10:49] <lerolero> yea, im missing my icons too.
[10:49] <khermans_> lerolero, mouse over other items in the list
[10:49] <khermans_> something is broked...
[10:50] <minimec> baastrup: <ctrl>F2 gksudo gedit /etc/xorg.conf. You have to restart gdm afterwards.
[10:50] <lerolero> s/broked/broken/
[10:50] <lerolero> ;)
[10:50] <baastrup> minimec, hmm its allready 24
[10:51] <minimec> baastrup: oups... If you set it to 32 ;) Just a try...
[10:51] <baastrup> minimec, I will try, but normal users should be able to do this from a gui
[10:52] <minimec> baastrup: Welcome to a newer world. You have to redifine 'normal' ;)
[10:54] <hetauma> how do u enable compiz-fusion in gutsy?
[10:54] <ReL1K> anyone wondering about the problem im going through its fixed
[10:54] <ReL1K> moved my resolution down to 1024 through xrandr
[10:54] <ReL1K> then enabled ocmpiz
[10:54] <ReL1K> compiz
[10:54] <savvas> hetauma: "System/Preferences/Appearance" under the "Visual Effects" tab
[10:55] <Stutterguard> 
[10:55] <ReL1K> so xrandr --output TMDS-1 --mode 1024x768 --output VGA --mode 1024-768
[10:55] <ReL1K> xrandr --output VGA --right-of TMDS-1
[10:55] <savvas> hetauma: also: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[10:55] <ReL1K> then SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace
[10:55] <savvas> hetauma: you'll find the manager in control center
[10:56] <hetauma> thanx savvas
[10:59] <`Matir> ReL1K, yeah, then it fits in the magic 2048*2048 Intel framebuffer
[11:01] <lerolero> anyone here using evolution and search folders ?
[11:01] <ReL1K> resolution looks really shitty unfortantely :)
[11:01] <lerolero> can't find the labels while creating a new search folder.
[11:01] <lerolero> (assigning labels work just fine...)
[11:01] <ReL1K> `Matir, is that a limitation of my card or the drivers?
[11:02] <joeamined> hi
[11:02] <tezem> anybody who has working fullscreen video display in gutsy with compiz enabled in totem?
[11:03] <joeamined> after an upgrade from feisty to gutsy, system sounds don't work for me anymore. How to fix it ?
[11:05] <`Matir> ReL1K, to be honest, I'm not sure, but I suspect card... 2048*2048*32 bit color works out to be 128MB, which (I believe) is the maximum video memory an intel card can use.
[11:05] <Marco> for some reason
[11:05] <Marco> gutsy is only detecting one of my four cores
[11:06] <Marco> it was working fine last week
[11:06] <ReL1K> ahhh
[11:06] <ReL1K> woould make sense
[11:07] <lerolero> hate the totem. I unistall it everytime.
[11:07] <lerolero> mplayer works here just fine.
[11:07] <hetauma> I'm trying to set up compiz to have 4 workspaces so it would be a cube. installed ccsm and enabled desktop cube and rotate cube. now under General options I set horizontal virtual size to 4 and I get 3 workspaces then I set it to 5 and I get 4. is this a bug? shouls I report it ? how?
[11:07] <`Matir> ReL1K, let me see if i can find details
[11:09] <ReL1K> `Matir: would be much appreciated im guessing thats it, if i do 1280x1024 it hoses
[11:09] <`Matir> ReL1K, look in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if there's a line that says something like "not enough video memory"
[11:09] <osmosis> any admins who can change the status of this bug to confirmed?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-meta/+bug/120536
[11:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120536 in xen-meta "[feature req]  Can someone generate a ununtu-xen-server-amd64 package?" [Wishlist,Fix released] 
[11:10] <ReL1K> nada matir
[11:10] <ReL1K> i do get a lot of
[11:10] <ReL1K> "height too large for virtual size"
[11:10] <`Matir> odd
[11:11] <`Matir> does glxinfo still show direct rendering being on?
[11:11] <ReL1K> yep
[11:11] <`Matir> ReL1K, according to intellinuxgraphics.org: # There is a known issue that DRI doesn't work on pre-965 if maximum is larger than 2048x2048.
[11:11] <`Matir> odd
[11:11] <`Matir> which graphics do you have?
[11:11] <ReL1K> gm965
[11:14] <ReL1K> i mean its really strange
[11:14] <ReL1K> everything works completely fine the cube
[11:14] <ReL1K> the wobbly windows
[11:14] <ReL1K> everything
[11:14] <ReL1K> except my desktop goes white
[11:16] <`Matir> really odd.... i guess it's probably a compiz bug
[11:17] <osmosis> can someone tell me what packages  ubuntu-xen-server  installs ?
[11:18] <hetauma> sorry about before but I managed to "loose" xchat. did any1 reply to me and if so can some1 copy it to me?
[11:21] <ReL1K> yea, guessing the same
[11:21] <ReL1K> its probably why gutsy is blacklisting my card atm
[11:22] <hetauma> I was wondering... opened firefox went to youtube.... install missing plugins... and installed adobe flash player! preety easy! shouldn't I be asked for my password?
[11:22] <`Matir> ReL1K, gutsy is blacklisting your card?
[11:34] <Laibsch> `Matir: I am still trying to understand how to use xrandr
[11:34] <Laibsch> Can you give me a hint?
[11:34] <`Matir> Laibsch, to accomplish what?
[11:34] <Laibsch> gutsy broke my working dual-head
[11:34] <`Matir> what video driver are you using?
[11:34] <Laibsch> radeon
[11:35] <Laibsch> on a Thinkpad X24
[11:35] <`Matir> Laibsch, ok... I'm using radeon here, so shouldn't be too bad... what does 'xrandr' by itself show?
[11:35] <Laibsch> http://oz.leggewie.org/Xorg.0.log
[11:36] <Laibsch> http://oz.leggewie.org/xorg.conf
[11:36] <Laibsch> I think that should still be the current state
[11:36] <Laibsch> I have lost dual head about two days ago
[11:37] <Laibsch> http://oz.leggewie.org/xrandr.txt
[11:37] <`Matir> so you want internal+VGA?
[11:37] <Laibsch> `Matir: the internal display has 1024x768
[11:37] <Laibsch> the external is 1680x1050
[11:37] <Laibsch> at least it should be
[11:38] <Laibsch> `Matir: yes
[11:38] <Laibsch> `Matir: actually, no
[11:38] <Laibsch> internal +WSXGA, I think
[11:38] <Laibsch> I think that is what this resolution is called
[11:40] <`Matir> ok... give this a shot: xrandr --output VGA-0 --left-of LVDS
[11:40] <ffm> How do I enable multiple desktops on the cube?
[11:40] <`Matir> substitute --right-of if it's on the other side :)
[11:41] <Laibsch> xrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1600x1200 (desired size 2048x768)
[11:41] <Jaymac> ffm, go to System>Preferences>Advanced Desktop Effects
[11:41] <Laibsch> `Matir: This used to work just fine
[11:41] <ffm> No Advanced DEsktop effects appears for me.
[11:41] <`Matir> ok, add a line to your xorg.conf that says "Virtual 2047 768" in the Display subsection of the Screen section
[11:42] <Jaymac> ffm, then click General Options, and go to Desktop Size setting Horizontal size to, say 4...
[11:42] <`Matir> Laibsch, the new radeon driver is substantially different from the old one, as far as i can tell
[11:42] <Jaymac> ffm, it may be called CompizConfig Settings Manager
[11:42] <ffm> Jaymac: I have neither. I just have the default installed.
[11:43] <ffm> Jaymac: and visual effects set to "extra"
[11:43] <Laibsch> `Matir: Yes, it looks like things changed.
[11:43] <Laibsch> `Matir: Are you sure about 2047 and 768?
[11:43] <`Matir> sorry, should be 2048, not 2047
[11:43] <`Matir> it's from  (desired size 2048x768)
[11:43] <Laibsch> Shouldn't it be 2704 and 1050?
[11:44] <Laibsch> The external display is 1680x1050
[11:44] <`Matir> ah, true
[11:44] <Jaymac> ffm, then go to synaptic
[11:44] <ffm> kk
[11:44] <`Matir> then yes, that should work
[11:44] <Jaymac> and install Compiz Config Settings Manager
[11:44] <Laibsch> ok
[11:44] <ffm> kk
[11:45] <Jaymac> ffm, or just aptitude install compizconfig-settings-manager
[11:46] <ffm> kk
[11:46] <ffm> got it
[11:48] <ffm> now how do I get more than one desktop ?
[11:48] <ffm> nevermind
[11:48] <Jaymac> Click on the tab General Options, and then along the top there will be a tab Desktop Siz4e
[11:48] <ffm> figured that bit out.
[11:48] <Jaymac> horizontal and vertical.. :)
[11:48] <ffm> kk
[11:51] <Laibsch> `Matir: Sorry, another problem: my X currently freezes the complete machine when I switch away from X
[11:51] <Laibsch> The resolution on the external monitor is fine now.
[11:51] <Laibsch> But is is not an extended desktop
[11:51] <Laibsch> But a cloned one where the external desktop size is bigger
[11:51] <`Matir> Laibsch, it hard freezes?  Not even Caps Lock/Num Lock?
[11:52] <Laibsch> no
[11:52] <Laibsch> nothing
[11:52] <Laibsch> Really complete freeze
[11:52] <Laibsch> Caps Lock?
[11:52] <Laibsch> I try Ctrl-Alt-F1
[11:52] <Laibsch> or Ctrl-Alt-Del
[11:53] <Laibsch> or Ctrl-Alt-F7
[11:53] <Laibsch> or Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[11:53] <Laibsch> Something is still pretty borked here.
[11:54] <frostburn> ssh in and kill the server
[11:54] <`Matir> really weird... i have two radeon boxes, both work fine
[11:54] <Laibsch> frostburn: Just rebooting is faster ;-)
[11:54] <savvas> Laibsch: 3d graphics enabled?
[11:54] <Laibsch> savvas: No idea
[11:55] <Laibsch> not on purpose
[11:55] <savvas> did you enable the fancy window movements?
[11:55] <Laibsch> This is my work machine, I don't care about games or eye candy
[11:55] <Laibsch> savvas: are you talking compiz or some such thing?
[11:55] <Laibsch> I don't have compiz
[11:55] <savvas> yes :) compiz-fusion
[11:55] <savvas> ah very well
[11:55] <savvas> it's installed by default but you have to enable it
[11:56] <Laibsch> I don't have ubuntu-desktop for that reason
[11:56] <Laibsch> Too much stuff I don't want
[11:59] <ConstyXIV> is there a reason it doesn't seem like there have been any updates today?
[11:59] <ffm> I am having some issues gettign TC to compile.
[11:59] <ffm> me@merlin:~/Desktop/truecrypt-4.3a-source-code/Linux$ sudo ./install.sh
[11:59] <ffm> Linux kernel (2.6.22-12-generic) source directory [/usr/src/linux] : /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-12
[11:59] <ffm> Error: Kernel source code is incomplete - /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-12/drivers/md/dm.h not found.
[11:59] <ffm> Error: Build failed - installation aborted
[12:00] <ffm> any idea what the issue is?
[12:01] <Jacob> ConstyXIV: the "whew we got a beta out; time to slow" effect? ;)
[12:02] <Xero> ConstyXIV, I got 4 updates today.
[12:02] <Jaymac> is Gutsy going to b e released on CDs?  When did it jump from a 700MB install to a 4.2GB DVD? hehe
[12:03] <Xero> One from Medibuntu, the rest from univ/multiv/normal repos
[12:03] <Laibsch> `Matir: http://rafb.net/p/isD4vD12.html
[12:03] <Laibsch> The output from xrandr is significantly different now
[12:04] <Laibsch> It shows the correct resolution for the external monitor for example.
[12:04] <Laibsch> xrandr --output VGA-0 --left-of LVDS produced a pretty strange result, though
[12:04] <Jacob> Jaymac: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/7.10/ :)
[12:04] <`Matir> Laibsch, that seems to be set up properly... is it still just mirroring?
[12:04] <`Matir> what result is that?
[12:04] <Laibsch> no, not mirroring
[12:05] <Jaymac> Yeah Jacob I found the CDs...
[12:05] <Laibsch> It looks like the size of the desktop is correct now
[12:05] <Laibsch> Sorry, it is mirroring
[12:05] <Laibsch> But it is mirroring the right side of the 2704x1050 desktop
[12:05] <Laibsch> at 1024x768 resolution on both screens
[12:07] <Laibsch> `Matir: The display config applet crashes when I fiddle with settings there: http://rafb.net/p/JitHpX62.html
[12:08] <Laibsch> sorry, that paste does not display everything.
[12:08] <lymeca_> Is gutsy not getting X.oRG 7.3?
[12:08] <Laibsch> But at any rate it crashes
[12:09] <CountX> i broke my install
[12:09] <CountX> i ran out of space, and when i rebooted i couldnt log in, so i booted form a livecd and delted a couple .iso's, i then tried to boot back up, and guess what, its broken
[12:10] <sin1> Is the beta any more stable than the daily build I have installed currently?
[12:10] <Laibsch> CountX: Try the livecd again
[12:10] <Laibsch> CountX: chroot into your environment
[12:10] <CountX> how do i do that
[12:10] <Laibsch> CountX: don't forget to mount all partitions from fstab
[12:10] <`Matir> lymeca_, any major version not in gutsy will not be in gutsy... at Beta they will not add new software
[12:11] <Laibsch> CountX: then fix the mess with aptitude and possibly dpkg --configure -a
[12:11] <Laibsch> CountX: "chroot $path2yourborkedroot"
[12:11] <CountX> when i boot it says that bin/sh is gone
[12:11] <Yetiamchosen> I'm in the gutsy installer. x64. Every time I double click "install", it just sits there. :P
[12:12] <luca_> hi everyone
[12:12] <Yetiamchosen> hi, luca_.
[12:12] <Laibsch> CountX: well, then it is gone.  And it might be you broke it beyond repair.
[12:12] <Laibsch> But try chroot
[12:12] <CountX> Laibsch, but it didnt delete it
[12:12] <Laibsch> CountX: Try chroot (for the third time, now!)
[12:12] <CountX> Laibsch, to the best of my knowledge its there
[12:12] <Laibsch> CountX: What do you want to hear?
[12:12] <CountX> Laibsch, livecd is booting, its slow
[12:13] <Yetiamchosen> I'm in the gutsy installer. x64. Every time I double click "install", it just sits there. :P Does anyone know why this is happening?
[12:13] <CountX> Laibsch, that i didnt do anything wrong and my laptop is just freaking out
[12:13] <sin1> yetia, does it sit at "starting partition editor"?
[12:13] <luca_> I have a little (only one) problem with Gutsy :) my keys for regulating luminosity of my Dell do not function any more
[12:13] <CountX> Laibsch, TELL ME EVERYTHING WILL BE OK!!!
[12:13] <Laibsch> CountX: "I didn't do anything wrong is BS and you know it"
[12:13] <Laibsch> you should have enough space on the partition
[12:13] <CountX> Laibsch, what'd i do
[12:13] <CountX> Laibsch, i have 6.5gb free
[12:14] <Yetiamchosen> *sigh*
[12:14] <Yetiamchosen> Is any help available in here at all? :|
[12:14] <Laibsch> CountX: not when the problem happened
[12:14] <Zemus> I'm in the gutsy installer. x64. Every time I double click "install", it just sits there. :P Does anyone know why this is happening?
[12:14] <CountX> Laibsch, innorite
[12:14] <Laibsch> innorite?
[12:14] <sin1> yetiamchosen, does it sit at "starting partition editor"?
[12:15] <CountX> Laibsch, means "i know, right"
[12:15] <Laibsch> OMG!
[12:15] <Laibsch> the language
[12:15] <lerolero> BEER!
[12:15] <CountX> lerolero, where
[12:15] <lerolero> CountX: right here.
[12:15] <CountX> lerolero, history channel?
[12:15] <lerolero> gotta love those in-company happy hours...
[12:16] <lerolero> CountX: working and having some beers.
[12:16] <sin1> I installed a daily build yesterday, is it just as stable as the beta?
[12:16] <lerolero> not as fast as I used to, thou
[12:16] <lerolero> ;)
[12:17] <CountX> Laibsch, says its missing bin/bash
[12:17] <spikeb> sin1: yes, plus if you are up to date, you are running the beta.
[12:17] <Laibsch> CountX: OK.  I expected that
[12:17] <sin1> k, thanks
[12:17] <Laibsch> CountX: Try "sudo aptitude"
[12:18] <Laibsch> CountX: Oh, you mean, you never got into the chroot?
[12:18] <CountX> Laibsch, no im on the livecd
[12:18] <ffm>  I am having some issues getting truecrypt to compile.
[12:18] <ffm> Linux kernel (2.6.22-12-generic) source directory [/usr/src/linux] : /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-12
[12:18] <ffm>  Error: Kernel source code is incomplete - /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-12/drivers/md/dm.h not found.
[12:18] <ffm> Error: Build failed - installation aborted
[12:19] <CountX> Laibsch, and when i run sudo chroot /media/disk-1 i get missing /bin/bash
[12:19] <Joe_CoT> i had head gutsy had firefox 3 in universe. is that true?
[12:19] <spikeb> yes Joe_CoT
[12:19] <Laibsch> Try "chroot /media/disk-1 aptitude"
[12:19] <osito> hi, how do I enable desktop-effects on gutsy?
[12:19] <Laibsch> CountX: Try "chroot /media/disk-1 aptitude"
[12:19] <Joe_CoT> spikeb: i can't find the package. what's it called?
[12:19] <crimsun> Joe_CoT: firefox-granparadiso
[12:20] <ffm> osito: Sys>Prefs>Apperance
[12:20] <ffm> And go to last tab
[12:20] <CountX> Laibsch, ok its running
[12:20] <osito> OK
[12:20] <Laibsch> great
[12:20] <Laibsch> CountX: Try to fix things
[12:20] <Joe_CoT> ahh, thanks crimsun ;D
[12:20] <spikeb> firefox-granparadiso
[12:20] <CountX> Laibsch, how :(
[12:20] <Laibsch> press u
[12:20] <CountX> !info firefox-granparadiso
[12:20] <ubotu> firefox-granparadiso: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla (Development Version). In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0~alpha7-0ubuntu6 (gutsy), package size 9717 kB, installed size 27396 kB
[12:20] <Laibsch> CountX: Are you sure you should be running gutsy?
[12:21] <lerolero> i wonder if you can buy developer time @ubuntu
[12:21] <CountX> Laibsch, yes
[12:21] <pwuertz> this deskbar search applet... when I click on it, a window appears... like a new application.... but in the screenshots an edit field with search results appeared right underneath the deskbar applet... this style has been disregarded if favor of this isolated search window?
[12:21] <Laibsch> CountX: I disagree
[12:21] <CountX> Laibsch, ok
[12:21] <lerolero> like: want that bug fixed badly, so I'm paying $$
[12:21] <CountX> Laibsch, still dont wanna help me?
[12:21] <Laibsch> CountX: Have you ever used aptitude before?
[12:21] <CountX> Laibsch, to install stuff yea
[12:21] <Laibsch> you should know package managers
[12:22] <osito> ffm, error "The Composite extension is not available"
[12:22] <Laibsch> CountX: still don't wanna help you?
[12:22] <Laibsch> Who got you into aptitude? for chrissake!
[12:22] <CountX> Laibsch, do wat now
[12:22] <RAOF> pwuertz: Indeed.  The new, window approach works well, I think.
[12:22] <Laibsch> CountX: Press u, then press g to get the upgrade-process going again
[12:22] <mc44> osito: what graphics card do you have?
[12:22] <Jaymac> osito do you  have intel graphics?
[12:23] <Laibsch> CountX: if you run into problems, do
[12:23] <pwuertz> RAOF: so this style is gone? http://raphael.slinckx.net/deskbar/screenshots.php#devel
[12:23] <osito> no, I have a lousy ati
[12:23] <Jaymac> model?
[12:23] <jords> Just trying to upgrade my feisty to gutsy, and update-manager is giving me this error message: Failed to fetch http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/source/Sources.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch
[12:23] <Laibsch> CountX: Try "chroot /media/disk-1 dpkg --configure -a"
[12:23] <jords> Always fails fetching that file
[12:23] <osito> 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS485 [Radeon Xpress 1100 IGP] 
[12:23] <Jaymac> is the fglrx driver enabled in the restricted manager?
[12:23] <mc44> osito: you need to use the fglrx drivers, and install xgl
[12:23] <spikeb> soon, though, that will be a thing of the past!
[12:24] <osito> mc44, is there a guide or commands?
[12:24] <RAOF> pwuertz: Yes.  That style is no longer.
[12:24] <Pici> jords: Looks like theres something wrong with that file.  Try changing your software sources to a different mirror.
[12:24] <jords> heh need a open source nvidia GL driver now :D
[12:24] <mc44> osito: use the restricted driver manager to set up fglrx for your ati card
[12:24] <RAOF> osito: Install the "xserver-xgl"
[12:24] <RAOF> package.
[12:24] <CountX> Laibsch, that didnt do anything :(
[12:24] <Jaymac> osito, go into your restricted manager and make sure that ATI accelerated graphics driver is enabled..
[12:24] <osito> thanks all on the help
[12:25] <Laibsch> CountX: what didn't do anything?
[12:25] <Laibsch> aptitude or dpkg?
[12:25] <spikeb> jords: there's a project working on an open driver for nvidia, as well. they just have to reverse engineer instead of having specs
[12:25] <CountX> Laibsch, dpkg
[12:25] <luca_> spikeb: and one problem is, I guess, that Nvidia does quite good binary drivers :P
[12:25] <CountX> Laibsch, when i press u in aptitude, it fails at 43%
[12:26] <ffm> Does anyone know why I get "Kernel source code is incomplete - /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-12/drivers/md/dm.h not found." when tring to compile?
[12:26] <luca_> anyhow, can someone help me regarding the luminosity keys?
[12:26] <antennae> hi
[12:26] <Zemus> The gutsy installer won't stop hanging. It's getting quite frustrating. This is the third time I've had to run it.
[12:27] <CountX> Laibsch, i might just grab the beta....
[12:27] <PaNzEr> Hi all
[12:27] <Pici> Zemus: Have you checked the disc's md5sum?
[12:27] <Laibsch> CountX: fails?  what error?  try with a very minimal sources.list by commenting out a few lines
[12:27] <Zemus> Pici, no...? I just burned it. :(
[12:27] <Laibsch> CountX: I think you should stick with feisty for another three weeks if you reinstall
[12:27] <Pici> !bot verify Zemus
[12:27] <Pici> er...
[12:27] <Pici> !verify > Zemus (Please see the private messsage from ubotu)
[12:28] <Zemus> wewt, thanks
[12:28] <jords> !verify > jords
[12:28] <jords> just too curious :D
[12:29] <ffm>  Does anyone know why I get "Kernel source code is incomplete - /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-12/drivers/md/dm.h not found." when tring to compile?
[12:30] <mc44> did you install the headers?
[12:30] <ffm> mc44: ?
[12:30] <ffm> mc44: I just upgraded.
[12:31] <mc44> ffm: yes...
[12:31] <mc44> ffm: did you install linux-headers-generic?
[12:31] <ffm> mc44: How do I install the headers?
[12:31] <ffm> with apt?
[12:31] <mc44> sure
[12:31] <T-Connect> Next version of Ubuntu will be 7.10 right?
[12:32] <ffm> mc44: linux-headers-generic is already the newest version.
[12:32] <ffm> T-Connect: yes.
[12:32] <LoRe> T-Connect: yup
[12:32] <T-Connect> Cool
[12:32] <T-Connect> It still looks the same as the 7.04?
[12:33] <luca_> T-Connect: some minor changes, but for me the big deal is that for example compiz is WAY faster now
[12:33] <luca_> guess other things too :D
[12:33] <T-Connect> Ok
[12:33] <luca_> can someone help me with function keys though please? :)
[12:34] <ffm> mc44: any idea why I am still having this issue?
[12:35] <mc44> no
[12:35] <osmosis> how come gutsy has no libc6-xen package ?
[12:35] <ffm> Is there a truecrypt precompiled for gutsy? I cannot seem to compile it myself.
[12:35] <tapoxi> Hello, I just upgraded to Gutsy and I want to remove excess entries in my Places menu
[12:36] <antennae> hey
[12:36] <Jaymac> tapoxi... open up a file browser
[12:36] <Jaymac> tapoxi... and the Places menu entries are bookmarks on the left hand side
[12:37] <savvas> tapoxi: try delete the folder of the entry and logout/login again to see if that helps
[12:38] <Laibsch> gutsy somehow managed to break locales for me and I wonder how I can get it back into working order: http://rafb.net/p/Oa5GTm76.html
[12:38] <ffm> Someone just told me to do this on the forums: You need to compile kernel-module. Can do it simply with build.sh. Remember to install linux-source extract it and make symbolic link to /usr/src/linux.
[12:38] <ffm> How do I do it?
[12:38] <Xero> Naked.
[12:38] <ffm> lol
[12:39] <savvas> :p
[12:39] <savvas> ffm: why would you need to do that?
[12:40] <ffm> savvas: becase I am getting this issue when compiling an app: "Kernel source code is incomplete - /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-12/drivers/md/dm.h not found"
[12:40] <savvas> they also told me I need to compile one, I headed to launchpad and filed a bug, the problem was fixed in gutsy :)
[12:41] <RAOF> ffm: What app, and if it's looking for the source and not just the headers then you probably do need to install the linux-source package (and do a bit of setup), yes.
[12:41] <savvas> hum.. well I'm not a compiling expert heh
[12:41] <ffm> RAOF: Truecrypt
[12:42] <osito> I've installed xserver-xgl, do I need to reboot?
[12:42] <RAOF> osito: No, just log off & log in again.  Compiz should automatically start.
[12:42] <osito> RAOF, thanks I'll be back
[12:42] <savvas> i thought it comes preinstalled
[12:42] <tapoxi> Hello, GNOME seems to have trouble playing sounds for some reason
[12:43] <antennae> has anyone in here observed strange behavior when using two soundcards?
[12:43] <tapoxi> Pidgin wasn't playing anything, then I deleted .gaim, now it works
[12:43] <RAOF> ffm: It is, of course, possible that Truecrypt is broken on our kernel.
[12:43] <ffm> hm.
[12:43] <antennae> i have han hdsp and my on board card, gutsy did not reboot and shutdown, lots of other strange stuff, i blacklisted my hdsp and now everything works fine
[12:43] <ffm> well the repositoies are as slow as a turtle in peanut butter, so no hope getting linux-source tonight.
[12:44] <scizzo-> is the screen and graphics reading from a special archive of monitors or goes from the archive that xorg has?
[12:45] <tapoxi> secondly, how do I edit my places menu?
[12:46] <Jaymac> tapoxi... just open a file browser
[12:46] <Jaymac> you should see a few bookmarks on the left hand side... delete/add bookmarks and they'll appear in your places
[12:47] <osito> seems to be working now Thanks!! how do I configure my effects and the cube now?
[12:47] <tapoxi> Jaymac: Thanks. I can't believe I never knew that.
[12:47] <Jaymac> osito... sudo aptitude install compizconfig-settings-manager
[12:47] <Jaymac> tapoxi, you're welcome :)
[12:47] <CountX> Laibsch, i dont have a bin folder on my disk-1
[12:48] <Jaymac> osito, then System>Preferences>Advanced Desktop Effects Settings
[12:48] <Artimus> Is there anything compiz that can do that's useful?  I'm not a fan of eye candy.  The most "eye candy" I tolerate on a desktop typically is a fake-transparent OSD when Amarok changes songs.
[12:48] <Laibsch> CountX: did you use a single partition?
[12:48] <`Matir> Artimus, then just disable compiz... it's not for everyone. :)
[12:48] <tapoxi> Is there any way to change sound settings for all of GNOME? My sound works, but GNOME isn't playing the system sounds (login, logout) properly.
[12:48] <osito> aren't the effects supposed to be default in gutsy
[12:48] <Jaymac> Artimus an embedded transparent, borderless terminal on my desktop is quite useful :)
[12:48] <spikeb> Artimus: shadows.
[12:48] <Jaymac> osito, they are..
[12:49] <CountX> Laibsch, no i have one for a /home one for my linux, one for my windows boot, and yet another for storing files
[12:49] <spikeb> Artimus: and the expose rip off.
[12:49] <Artimus> `Matir: No, I was asking.  What features are there for usability and not "oooh, shiny"
[12:49] <`Matir> Jaymac, how does one do the embedded/transparent/borderless/etc terminal?
[12:49] <CountX> Laibsch, 2 harddrives, 2 partitions on each
[12:49] <`Matir> Artimus, I was not personally aware of any such features :)
[12:49] <Jaymac> `Matir, http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2007/08/27/transparent-terminal-on-your-desktop/
[12:50] <Laibsch> CountX: IOW, you did not move /bin to a separate partition but it is no longer present on the root partition?  In that case, I'd vote for backing up what you need and reinstalling -> feisty!
[12:51] <CountX> Laibsch, theres nothing i can do to get it back
[12:52] <CountX> ?
[12:52] <Xero> bug 56125
[12:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 56125 in apt "doesnt look like a cow" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/56125
[12:53] <CountX> wow
[12:53] <Xero> lol someone actually confirmed it too
[12:54] <T-Connect> Is there away to disabled the password popup when doing updates and other things?
[12:55] <T-Connect> That drive me crazy.
[12:55] <CountX> thats amazinbg
[12:55] <tapoxi> Anyone else having sound issues?
[12:56] <`Matir> So when I attempt to start compiz --replace, I get the following: Comparing resolution (1024x768) to maximum 3D texture size (512): Failed.
[12:56] <Xero> Matir, there's a fix on the forums
[12:56] <Laibsch> CountX: Sure there is.  But considering the effort needed, the skill set and the potential payoff, I'd say the scale is heavily tilted towards "reinstall"
[12:56] <magicrobotmonkey> if im running gusty now, should i expect it to upgrade a bunch soon to be at the beta
[12:56] <Jaymac> you already are on the beta
[12:56] <Xero> Basically, nano /usr/bin/compiz and replace TEXTURE_SIZE with 3D_TEXTURE_SIZE
[12:57] <magicrobotmonkey> cool
[12:58] <Jaymac> rarely :)
[12:59] <savvas> magicrobotmonkey: if you did your upgrades regularly, then no :)
[01:00] <tapoxi> okay...
[01:00] <tapoxi> apparently ESD is broken
[01:00] <Zemus> I have now tried two different cd's. They both freeze on the part where they are supposed to format a partition.
[01:00] <Jaymac> Yeah, I keep getting the following on a terminal: /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found
[01:00] <`Matir> odd... maximized window title bars go white with compiz
[01:00] <Zemus> I'm talking about installing gutsy.
[01:01] <CountX> how do you cut with a command?
[01:01] <CountX> like with cp -a?
[01:01] <tapoxi> Jaymac: Did they just...forget it?
[01:01] <Zemus> CountX, I just use mv :P
[01:01] <Jaymac> CountX, try the mv command
[01:01] <Zemus> Jaymac, lol
[01:01] <Jaymac> (move)
[01:02] <Jaymac> tapoxi, not sure.. I haven't had any sound issues
[01:02] <savvas> Jaymac: maybe you're doing some sudo/gksudo commands
[01:03] <Jaymac> yeah.. i always cop out and run sudo gedit instead of gksu :)
[01:03] <Jaymac> which is when the message is printed
[01:11] <gnomefreak> Jaymac: its normal to get the error please go into the sound conf GUI and turn off esd
[01:12] <gnomefreak> Jaymac: system>preffernces>sound  go to second tab and uncheck first box
[01:13] <gnomefreak> Jaymac: close it and you should no longer get it
[01:13] <gnomefreak> crimsun: if your here do you have any reasoning behind why that error is poping up?
[01:13] <Jaymac> gnomefreak, thanks :)
[01:14] <gnomefreak> yw
[01:14] <gnomefreak> Jaymac: it worked for others, i just tried it (it wasnt bothing me that much)