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jmichaelxsorry for the very general question, but does gutsy seem to be somewhat  usable at this point?01:40
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kingofnicI am working with gutsy every day and it seems quite usable for me :-)01:43
Reabyjmichaelx: many asking this today.. i've used gutsy with ease in daily basis, some upgrades has got minor fall backs, but they have been fixed less than a week, some cases in same day01:43
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slackernI haven't had any problems at all for a couple of weeks that have been caused by it being under development atleast :)01:43
blizzowI have a dumb question, how can I keep a persistent hosts file and still use dhcp?01:44
_dan_no question is stupid01:44
_dan_./etc/hosts wont get overridden bei dhcp01:45
slackernblizzow: how do you mean? your hosts file shouldn't change cause you are using dhcp to get your ip?01:45
slackernblizzow: do you mean /etc/resolv.conf for your dns servers?01:45
jmichaelxReaby: ty much, i think i might give it a try01:46
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Reabyjmichaelx: if you try, it's preferably to download daily snapshot01:47
Reabyand give a clean install01:47
jmichaelxReaby: as opposed to an aptitude upgrade?01:47
jmichaelxahh, ok01:47
Reabyit brakes system some cases to unusable01:47
jmichaelxthanks for the info01:48
Reabyyeah, np01:48
Reabyhmm.. breaks might be better english...01:48
blizzowThat's what I thought, but for some reason, my hosts file keeps getting overwritten01:48
slackernblizzow: just to double check you mean /etc/hosts file?01:49
blizzowyes, the one where I can manually write out what ip address a hostname points at.01:50
blizzowEverytime I login at work, my hosts file gets overwritten.01:50
blizzowIt's the only place I use dhcp.01:50
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slackernblizzow: hmm odd i have 2 different DHCP servers here that i just swapped between (one small router and a linux machine running dhcp) but never got any problems like that, maybe dhcp servers has an option to send more information to hosts files and that option is enabled at your work, newer experienced it myself though01:52
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slackernblizzow: only thing i was in man dhclient.conf was the option to request host-name too01:55
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PiciCan someone tell me if their deskbar looks like this or not: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=deskbar-search.png01:57
slackernPici: mine opens up in a separate window now01:58
Reabysame here01:58
PiciI'll go bug -devel again then ;)01:58
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ffmWhere is the beta?02:01
ffmIt is 0:01 UTC!02:01
PriceChildffm, it'll be here when its ready02:01
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slackernblizzow: sorry been looking around a bit but i couldn't find anything mentioned about that im afraid =/02:01
PriceChildffm, subscribe to the ubuntu-devel list and wait02:01
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blizzowno biggie, I'll do some more research into it when I'm not wicked busy.02:03
branstromIn mplayer's manual page, in the section for the -gl video mode, it mentions I should use -dr because it could provide a big speedup02:03
slackernblizzow: btw does it just clean it out and make it the default one with localhost?02:03
branstromI don't really know what he's talking about there.02:03
branstromDirect rendering perhaps?02:03
branstromHow do I "use -dr"?02:04
branstrommplayer -vo gl-dr ?02:04
branstrommplayer -vo gl -dr ?02:04
blizzowslackern: pretty much, It gets re-written with some ipv6 junk in there a localhost entry and one with my hostname.02:04
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slackernblizzow: aye sound like the default one, hmm could it be that it tries to swap between different networkprofiles perhaps02:05
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SuperTeecehi all02:05
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SuperTeeceis there a way to only test the gutsy network manager on a feisty system?02:06
slackernblizzow: and networkprofiles is voodoomagic for me :)02:06
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XeroIs there anything special about the rt kernel besides a small speed boost?02:23
XeroWell, okay, a large speed boost, but are there any other benefits?02:23
CountXanyone get thier cam workin on www.stickam.com with linux02:23
CountXim using the VfL2 driver and it works in Ekiga, but when i try and use it on www.stickam.com all i get is my mic02:24
CountXive already tried running firefox with sudo02:24
maccam94for an issue like that, you may have better luck in #ubuntu02:25
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XeroCountX, sudo firefox = bad.02:26
CountXi'll go bug them in regular ubuntu02:27
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ratpoisonhello! using gutsy amd64. Just installed kiba-dock through svn, which I had done successfully in a previous install (also, gutsy amd64) this time though, when I try to run it, I get "kiba-dock: error while loading shared libraries: libakamaru.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"02:31
ratpoisonneed help guys!02:32
ratpoison(sorry for the enter used as space)02:32
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gnomefreakratpoison: try in #ubuntu-effects02:38
larson9999my card needs the 1.9* nvidia driver.  restricted drivers manager says that's the driver it's installing but when i reboot the nvidia driver doesn't load.02:40
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ConstyXIVis there a way to make the desktop wall previews 4:3 instead of 16:9?02:43
DanaGwtf?  The "enter a WPA key" dialog popped under everything else, so for a long time I thought the connection was broken.02:45
maccam94i've seen that a lot in feisty too02:46
nemikis anyone able to run ekiga with SIP and have it not crash02:47
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emetis gutsy going to include the new ATI driver ?02:51
emetmaybe not in the final release but as an update02:51
emetAIGLX support02:52
ReabyReloading options02:54
Reabyberyl: decoration: property ignored because version is 20070319 and decoration plugin version is 2006101102:54
Reabywhat in earth did that.02:54
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RAdamsAt this time, I would like to complain about the even worse desktop background they've picked for Gusty.02:58
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Reabyand it's gone after relogging02:59
Reabylooks like random beryl bugs02:59
RAdamsyou're using beryl, not compiz fusion?02:59
Reabycompiz fusion i mean02:59
RAdamsHere's a puzzler:03:00
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RAdamsI've changed the color of my desktop background to a dark red. I changed the background of the login screen to dark red. But when I login, I still, for about 5 seconds, see the default light tan color on my desktop03:00
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RAdamsThese issues are much more important than a stable kernel and userspace tools, of course.03:01
Reabyi bet it's gnome splash screen03:01
RAdamsI thought that was disabled?03:01
Reabyit's called usability03:01
Reabywell i don't know, just tried ice with a stick03:02
RAdamsice with a stick? o.O03:02
Reabyhmm.. maybe it doesn't work that good translated to english03:02
RAdamsmore complaining: my shortcut keys involving the super ("windows") key stopped working in compiz fusion03:02
RAdamsmaybe not, Reaby03:03
Reabyit's commonly used here tho.03:03
DanaGSame here -- also, the Gnome super-key bindings are broken/03:03
RAdamsMine used to work03:03
RAdamsthen they magically stopped03:03
RAdamsGeez, all these problems, you'd think we were running an unstable release or something...03:04
DanaGIf I have 'put' enabled, pressing the 'super' key alone causes the window to jump to the opposite side of the screen.03:04
RAdamsDanaG: sounds fun and exciting03:04
DanaGMy super-W key for Water still works, though.03:04
RAdamslike catch the window03:04
RAdamsthat's good03:04
RAdamsthe water effect is very important to usability03:04
DanaGI want to use the Put plugin, but I can't -- it's bugged.03:04
RAdamsits an integral part of my productivity03:04
RAdamsI want to use Put as well, but I have no farking idea what it does03:05
RAdamsI just like checking boxes03:05
RAdamsI did *not* RTFM03:05
DanaGIt lets you push windows to different edges of the desktop, and to different virtual desktops without bringing yourself with them.03:05
RAdamsthat is handy03:05
RAdamspity it's bork then03:05
RAdamslet me go mess about with mine03:06
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RAdamsSuper + KP Begin03:06
RAdamsSeriously though, what's KP Begin?03:07
d4rkmonkeyits loading a letter.03:07
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woodwizzledoes the beta come out tonite?03:07
RAdamsd4rkmonkey: http://imdb.com/title/tt0151804/03:07
Reaby#define tonight, it's allready 04.08 :)03:08
d4rkmonkeyoh lol...03:08
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RAdams"Your system is up-to-date"03:08
RAdamsHow boring!03:09
RAdamsan update to flash and parted!03:09
Reaby(and if you use medibuntu win32 codecs)03:09
RAdamsmy life is now ~300 kb more exciting03:09
d4rkmonkeyxbox website is being retarded today.03:09
RAdamswhats so great about medibuntu?03:09
RAdamsd4kmonkey: never forget xbox.com is owned my Microsoft03:10
RAdamsretardation is inevitable03:10
Reabywell it offers some restricted/commercial stuff03:10
DanaGArgh, hitting my Super key makes my window randomly decide to move.03:11
d4rkmonkeyRAdams usually it works fine. But like, its crawling today and giving me Server is Unavailable things03:11
d4rkmonkeyWELL BUY BETTER SERVERS!!!03:11
DanaGIn USA?03:11
DanaGUse mirrors.kernel.org.03:11
d4rkmonkeyDanaG talking about xbox site...03:11
DanaGBut keep archive.ubuntu around below it in sources.list.03:11
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d4rkmonkeyI bet they were dumb enough to do something like have the xbox live servers the same as their web servers or something, and that the massive amount of people playing live cus of halo 3 messed it up or something03:12
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DanaGI backspace the super-r on restore, and yet it pops back.03:12
DanaGAnd the tree pops closed.03:12
RAdamsthat happens to me03:13
RAdamsall the time03:13
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RAdamsit won't stop happening03:13
RAdamsbelieve me03:13
RAdamsit's driving me insane03:13
DanaGAnd what is "Put Exact"?03:13
DanaGIt doesn't have any bindings to bind.03:13
RAdamsuntil you told me, I didn't know what "put" was03:13
DanaGArgh, I have to disable Put.03:15
DanaGThe randomly moving window is a dealbreaker for that plugin.03:15
RAdamsIt doesn't happen for me03:16
branstromNot for me either03:17
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RAdamsDanaG and branstorm: go to general options and try to disable a keystroke for any thing under "Actions"03:18
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RAdamsdoes it cancel the action and collapse the tree?03:18
XeroPut is indeed b0rked for me.03:19
d4rkmonkeywhat do I have to do to un-blacklist intel in compiz-fusion?03:19
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DanaGNothing for just 'super' there, either.03:20
d4rkmonkeyanyone?] 03:21
d4rkmonkeyI know I'm supposed to remove some line from some file..03:22
d4rkmonkeybut I forget which one..03:22
DanaGWTF?  I went to disable super-5 on put center, and it reset!03:22
_dan_wireless works again03:22
DanaGWhat the ****?03:22
RAdamsDanaG: it seems to happen when trying to disable keystrokes ANYWHERE in compiz fusion03:23
DanaGAnd what are kp_begin and kp_next and such?03:23
_dan_brightness stopped working :O03:23
DanaGHow about calling them home and pgdn?03:23
RAdamsd4kmonkey: http://wiki.compiz-fusion.org/Hardware/Intel03:24
RAdamsDanaG: "Keypad"03:24
DanaGI know that.03:24
DanaGBut I don't ever see keys named "Begin" and "Next".03:24
DanaGAnd resetting bindings is borked.03:24
RAdamsvery much so03:24
DanaGAnother issue of naming that bugs me: Madwifi.  The module does not have any anagram of 'mad' or 'wifi' anywhere within them!03:25
DanaGdo not.03:25
d4rkmonkeyRAdams what now? that deosn't really explain anything... I heard intel was blacklisted, and mine worked fine before.03:25
d4rkmonkeyoh wait... nevermind! I just saw links..03:25
DanaGWhat does blue text in ccsm mean?03:26
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XeroI have no idea. Never seen it.03:26
d4rkmonkeyRAdams agg... thats not what I was looking for. Theres like one line in some config file and I should be good after I take that out...03:26
RAdamsd4kmonkey: not sure... I'm on nvidia here03:27
d4rkmonkeyRAdams ok, thanks for the help anyways.03:27
RAdamshey, does anyone know what happened to the ability to set actions to the screen edges in compiz fusion?03:28
RAdamsI liked that in beryl... where did it go03:28
XeroRAdams, I still have it.03:29
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RAdamsxero: where do you set it?03:29
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RAdamsxero: is bindings a plugin?03:31
XeroRAdams, no.03:31
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RAdamswhere do you set it?03:31
XeroActions tab for any plugin03:31
XeroOnly a few work this way though.03:31
RAdamsxero: oh ok ty03:31
RAdamswhat's the name of that plugin that shows all your windows?03:31
RAdamsyeah that one03:32
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XeroIt might have a tracker in it.03:32
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penguincentral!hi | mrigns03:34
ubotumrigns: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!03:34
RAdams!hi | ubotu03:35
ubotuubotu: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!03:35
mrignsI think someone might be bored ;P03:36
penguincentralmrigns: so so true03:36
RAdams!bored | RAdams03:36
RAdamsThat's the best definition for boredom I've ever heard03:36
RAdamslike a poem, it was03:36
penguincentral!botabuse | RAdams03:37
ubotuRAdams: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...03:37
penguincentrali'm in there RAdams03:37
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penguincentralgood idea RAdams03:38
penguincentralback to the topic people, nothing to see here...03:38
RAdamsIf making e-love to Ubotu is wrong, I don't wanna be right.03:38
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penguincentralRAdams: lol03:39
slackern*Ubotu.JR has joined the channel*03:39
penguincentralMSG RAdams Someone has fallen in love with the bot03:39
penguincentraluh, let me try that again...03:40
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penguincentralMSG <UbotusLover> <Someone has fallen in love with the bot>03:40
penguincentraleh, so much for trying03:40
UbotusLover /msg?03:41
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penguincentrali've sent the message03:41
DanaGArgh, how do I get back the old font rendering?03:41
DanaGThe new rendering hurts my eyes.03:41
UbotusLoverWhy can't I set screen edges for scale? It works by default when I go to the upper right, but under the bindings it says "None" for screen edges03:41
slackernhehe and i thought this new rendering is the best thing to happen since molten cheese :)03:42
UbotusLoverwhat are edge buttons?03:42
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DanaGI think it needs to be configurable!03:42
DanaGNot forced.03:42
slackernDanaG: aye that would be better most definately03:42
maccam94the beta is supposed to be out now03:43
maccam94isn't it?03:43
maccam94it's now the 27th on GMT time03:43
RAdamswhere are the compiz settings stored?03:43
XeroRAdams, GConf.03:43
maccam94or are we expecting the release more in the middle of the day or something?03:44
RAdamsxero: ty03:44
ubotuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: September 27 2007, 01:44:33 - Next meeting: Desktop Team Development in 10 hours 15 minutes03:44
XeroWait. You made e-love to Ubotu?03:44
igorguemaccam94: yep it is 2703:44
RAdamsmaccam94: We don't know. We suspect Novell has bought Ubuntu and the beta will feature YAST as the primary installer03:45
RAdamsXero: perhaps03:45
igorgueRAdams: that'll cool :D03:45
RAdamsYuck to which? e-love to Ubotu or Novell?03:45
RAdamsI agree... the Novell idea makes my stomach turn03:45
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DanaGGutsy seems to be full of regressions:03:46
XeroThe mechanosexual idea makes -my- stomach want to implode03:46
XeroYou made e-love to a freaking computer!03:46
DanaGpainful (to me) font rendering.03:47
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philipanyone has probs with update-manager? it gives me "unable to copy the user's Xauthorization file"03:47
DanaGSuspend now gives me the black screen again.03:47
MechanoSexual /msg nickserv register?03:47
DanaGBrightness control broke for a while, until I found a workaround.03:47
XeroI removed Deskbuttonthatopensawindow Applet.03:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete] 03:47
MechanoSexualwhat applet are you guys talking about?03:47
DanaGI went back to the old deskbar-applet.03:47
DanaGThe new one is false advertising.03:48
MechanoSexualthat one03:48
MechanoSexualI like Tracker Live Search03:48
XeroMe too.03:48
XeroBut you're a sicko.03:48
DanaGBut tracker can't run commands, like03:48
DanaGAlt-f3.  Appe<enter>03:48
DanaGfor Appearance.03:48
DanaGEven the new Deskbar can't do that.03:48
DanaGOuch, my eyes hurt.03:49
igorgueDanaG: are you sure about that?03:49
igorgueyou need to see the prefferences in deskbar03:49
MechanoSexualtyping "appe" in my deskbar launches gdmsetup03:49
XeroPlease, for the sake of all things Open Source, change your name.03:49
igorgueMechanoSexual: lol03:50
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XeroOnce again change it.03:50
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XeroGood enough.03:51
DanaGMy comment: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3432774#post343277403:51
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Xero<random childish spam> Poop </random childish spam>03:53
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RAdamsXero: why can't I set screen edges for my Scale Plugin?03:54
XeroRAdams, I have no idea.03:54
XeroIf you really needed to do it, you'd learn C++ and edit the Scale Plugin to be a butthole about it and force the top right corner to do the showing of windows.03:56
XeroOf course, I've never felt that bad a need for anything (yet)03:56
RAdamsDanaG: System --> Preferences --> Appearance --> Fonts03:57
RAdamsXero: what I actually want to do is make it not do that03:57
RAdamsXero: my screen edges are all set to "None" for the scale plugin03:57
RAdamsbut it keeps doing it when I go to the upper right03:57
XeroRAdams, try restarting Compiz. Mine has a bug where I have to reset to change certain settings.03:59
DanaGThe thing is, I had it set to Subpixel rendering before, and it looked great.03:59
DanaGNow it looks (subjectively) bad, like Cleartype.03:59
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RAdamsxero: what's the cleanest way to restart compiz?03:59
XeroDanaG, change the filtering or whatever03:59
XeroRAdams, compiz --replace03:59
DanaGSomehow my QT apps still look like the old way, though.04:00
DanaGI don't know how.04:00
XeroThen convert to KDE.04:00
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nosrednaekimKDE KDE KDE!!!04:00
_dan_twm twm twm!!04:01
XeroI'm boring :)04:01
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tripzeroanyone know how the live cd configures the xorg.conf file?04:13
RAdamstripzero: satanic incantations04:15
RAOFtripzero: Probably with the debconf autodetect stuff?  You can re-run it with dpkg-reconfigure -pcritical xserver-xorg04:15
RAdamsyou can also sprinkle holy water on it04:15
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tripzeroRAdams, lol04:16
tripzerothat's what I figured (some sort of black magic)04:16
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RAOFThere are a bunch of packages for it - I believe "discover" is one.  You'll also see xresprobe, IIRC.04:17
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tripzerothanks RAOF, that will help alot me thinks :P04:18
tripzeroI'm remastering the ubuntu cd, that's why I ask (I only want it to display 800x600)04:18
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RAdamsHorray my Super key commands work again04:20
RAdamsLife is wonderful04:20
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RAdamsdoes anyone know how to improve the focus stealing prevention of compiz fusion?04:22
RAdamsIt drives me insane when windows steal focus04:22
maccam94if you install ccsm, you can adjust the level04:23
DanaGwtf?  How do I allow guest access to Samba?04:25
RAdamswhat is ccsm?04:25
RAdamsoh nvm04:26
RAdamsmaccam94: i have it installed04:26
RAdamswhere do I set it?04:26
DanaG[2007/09/26 19:04:23, 0]  auth/auth_util.c:create_builtin_administrators(792)                        create_builtin_administrators: Failed to create Administrators04:27
DanaG[2007/09/26 19:04:23, 0]  auth/auth_util.c:create_builtin_users(758)                  create_builtin_users: Failed to create Users04:27
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maccam94RAdams: it's in general i believe04:28
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h1st0RAdams: compizconfig-settings-manager is ccsm04:29
h1st0RAdams: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager04:29
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RAdamsh1st0: yes, I forgot it was called that. lol04:30
RAdamsI have it04:30
RAdamsmaccam94: checking04:30
RAdamsmaccam94: I see an option for "Focus Prevention Windows" and it is set to "any". That's all I see regarding focus prevention04:30
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kevinOhello, i am using the oem install of gusty, has anyone reported that it is slower than usual?04:32
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DanaGHow do I give guest access to samba shares?04:32
kevinOi did apt-get update and it downloaded about 59 mb of updates, it has taken over 20 minutes to install04:32
maccam94RAdams: there used to be focus stealing prevention :-\04:33
maccam94maybe that's the same option, renamed04:33
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TiaGo|SouZahey, do you have any ideia what time the beta will be released?!04:35
stdin"When it's ready"04:36
stdinthere is no set time04:36
TiaGo|SouZaand where can I find it to download?!04:37
RAdamsTiago|Souza: it will appear in your update manager04:38
TiaGo|SouZa"when it's ready", of course04:38
kevinOTiaGo|SouZa:  you can download the latest beta if you want to test04:38
TiaGo|SouZathe beta version will appear in my update manager?!?!04:38
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RAdamsTiago: are you using gusty?04:39
RAdamsthen no, it won't04:39
RAdamsone moment...04:39
TiaGo|SouZathat's what i tought04:39
RAdamsTiago|Souza: "update-manager -d"04:40
_dan_guys can anyone hint me why my fonts looklike crap?04:40
RAdamswill offer the latest build of Gusty to you04:40
_dan_white fionts seem sometimes redish04:40
_dan_on my laptop04:41
kevinOdeselect crapola font, and change the size to 1204:41
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_dan_standard gutsy fnt04:42
_dan_font ah sry04:42
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_dan_i htink it has omething to do with subpixel thing but i have no clue about that04:42
dcordesanybody able to compile C code with 64 bit gutsy?04:42
kevinOTiago, you can always download the Gutsy tribe 5 cd if you want to test it on another machine.04:42
kevinOTiaGo|SouZa: i meant04:42
TiaGo|SouZayeap, but I'm really courious about the final artwork04:43
khatahnjust checking: gutsy beta should come out today? (it's 27. here)04:45
maccam94khatahn: i was saying the same thing04:45
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kevinOTiaGo|SouZa: the artwork hasnt changed much yet, i did notice a couple other backgrounds in the update earlier04:45
TiaGo|SouZakhatahn: me too04:46
kevinOwhat is everyone talkin about? i thought gutsy beta has been out for a while now04:46
TiaGo|SouZabut, theoretically, the final artwork will be in the beta release, no?!04:46
kurrosno, only alphas04:46
TiaGo|SouZakevinO: yep, only alphas04:47
kevinOnews to me04:47
maccam94kevinO: yeah, tribe5 is the latest alpha04:47
maccam94beta comes out the 27th04:47
kevinOi did notice some extra backgrounds in the updates earlier04:47
RAdamsreally? I only got one04:47
RAdamsand it looks like a brighter version of the poop they originally suggested04:48
kevinOi found one that looks like elephant skin04:48
kevinOits pretty neat04:48
maccam94there's that and an abstract one04:48
maccam94there's actually a lot of neat animal skin wallpapers on the incoming artwork wiki04:49
RAdamsI'm using the darker animal hair one04:49
RAdamsI <3 it04:49
TiaGo|SouZaan how about the icons?!04:49
TiaGo|SouZaany changes?!04:49
kevinOhehe you are yelling a question04:50
kevinOi try to say it out loud in my head04:50
kurroskevin0: the changes!! any changes?!04:50
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kevinOstop yelling at me04:51
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kevinOits ok im just playin04:52
kevinOare you askin if there are any new icons in the beta release?04:53
DanaGTry this in the desktop-effects tab:04:54
DanaGWhile already having stuff set up via ccsm, select Custom.04:54
DanaGIt just freezes.04:54
TiaGo|SouZamaccam94: I already saw this page a dozen times04:54
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TiaGo|SouZasome wallpapers are awesome!04:55
kevinOyeah that link kill my firefox04:56
TiaGo|SouZait tooks a life to load that page04:57
dcossonsomeone tell me to bugger off if i should... but i've just installed the 9/25 gutsy kubuntu daily and i am not getting any usplash screens.  can someone point me in the right direction?04:57
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tonyyarussodcosson: did you with feisty?04:57
tonyyarussoI know on Dell Optiplex machines you have to change a BIOS setting for usplash to work04:58
dcossonnot at first, but i did something.  i have a short memory.04:58
TiaGo|SouZakevinO: are u using the latest alpha release?04:59
kevinOi wish the panel backround changesd with the themes04:59
dcossonand then i installed just the WM-less gutsy iso and installed kubuntu-desktop through apt, and i did get usplash screens04:59
kevinOTiaGo|SouZa: yes i am up to date with the latest gutsy04:59
dcossonbut i wanted to try the kubuntu daily iso :-P04:59
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kevinOi dont like kubuntu05:00
kevinOthose are all nice wallpapers on that link05:01
DanaGYay, kernel panic due to virtualbox.05:01
Jordan_Udcosson, Is "splash" in your kernel parameters?05:01
dcossonyeah, this is maybe where i am over my head.  i don't so much know what that means.05:02
kevinOUbuntu - It just works.05:03
TiaGo|SouZakevinO: did your icons change to something diferent of feisty's?!05:03
kevinOTiaGo|SouZa: im using a theme "mydarktheme" [which is an awesome theme]  right now, but ill check05:04
TiaGo|SouZadid this theme come with gutsy?05:04
TiaGo|SouZasorry, probably not..MYdarktheme05:05
kevinOno, i got it from gnome-look.org05:05
tripzeroAnyone tried gutsy with a touchscreen yet, just wondering how much better xorg7.3 is?05:05
kevinOno its not mine, thats just what the guy namd it05:05
DanaGargh, #vbox is empty.05:05
TiaGo|SouZaoh, okey05:05
kevinOTiaGo|SouZa:  heres a screeny http://kevin.myjot.net/Screenshot-1.png05:06
TiaGo|SouZahmmm..looks awesome!05:07
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TiaGo|SouZacan u look at the "default" theme, and maybe take some screenshot of it?!05:08
kevinOtiago, im looking through the available icons and it looks like there is a new set called nuoveXT-aero05:08
kevinOhold on05:08
kevinOif i choose human theme, its still the default icons, ill just make you a screenshot of my theme with the new icons05:09
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kevinOhmm my print screen button isnt working05:12
kevinOoh now it is05:13
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kevinOTiaGo|SouZa:  http://kevin.myjot.net/Screenshot.png05:16
kevinOi like these icons thay are clean and not to cartoonish looking05:17
TiaGo|SouZathis is nuoveXT-aero?!05:17
kevinOyeah i think thats what they were called05:18
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tripzeroflip, within the livecd there is not xorg.conf???!!!05:19
kevinOim curious to know if these actually came from ubuntu, they seem like some sort of vista knock off05:19
TiaGo|SouZathis one came by default?05:19
TiaGo|SouZathat's what it seems05:20
RAOFtripzero: Of course not.  You couldn't pre-configure it correctly for everyone.  It needs to be autodetected & created on startup.05:20
kevinOno, they were just in my icons list, but i have never seen them before05:20
kevinOi assume they were downloaded with ubuntu updates05:20
kevinOi know i did not dl them05:20
tripzeroit doesn't look like discover nor xresprobe create the xorg.conf file afaik05:21
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TiaGo|SouZathe human's still the same?!05:22
TiaGo|SouZamaybe something change in the beta05:23
RAOFtripzero: It'd be part of the "configure" phase of the xserver-xorg package.05:23
TiaGo|SouZathe final artwork deadline was seven days ago05:23
kevinO, i hope there is its always nice to have a professional looking icon set to use05:24
RAOFtripzero: If you really wanted to, you can grab the xserver-xorg package, then run "dpkg --info <xorg.deb> postinst" to get the shell code run.05:24
TiaGo|SouZakevinO: I agree!05:25
TiaGo|SouZado u know if something changed in the grub menu?!05:26
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kevinOi have no idea05:26
nb-auhave the beta isos been released?05:26
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kevinOnope i hear they are tomorrow05:26
nb-audamn :(, gotta wait another day :P05:27
nb-auluckily tomorrow is only 11 hours away :D05:27
TiaGo|SouZanb-au: everybody's sainh that05:27
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TiaGo|SouZakevinO: is gutsy "stable"?!05:29
nb-aui havent had a crash yet, but ymmv05:30
kevinOi have had any problems with it05:30
_dan_atm generic kernel is majorly bugged05:30
nb-authough i dont have a usplash either :/05:30
kevinOsorry, havent had05:30
nb-aumy monitor just turns off until login, rofl05:30
TiaGo|SouZaI know that officially, it's a unstable release05:31
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TiaGo|SouZabut this is what I'm asking: how about u, guys?! did u have problems with it?!05:32
RAdamsanyone else having a problem with openoffice base not being able to start?05:32
TiaGo|SouZaapparently no05:32
nb-auTiaGo|SouZa: its stable but a single new package could bork the system, and if u dont know what your doing could be a bugger to fix05:32
RAdams"Please *don't* run Gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc"05:33
nb-auyup yup05:33
TiaGo|SouZaRAdams: I saw this05:33
RAdamscan anyone confirm openoffice base crashing ooffice and causing a hung soffice.bin process?05:34
nb-auif u dont know what your doing you may have to wait until another update leaving you without a pc for days05:34
TiaGo|SouZaI see05:34
nb-auand even then depending on the bug, could have other stuff borked05:34
nb-auchances are you could run it just fine up till release, but if borking ur system is not a risk you want to take then dont :)05:35
DanaGFor me, the biggest breakage (subjectively) was the fonts.05:35
RAdamsDanaG is a FontRendering Crusader05:36
nb-authe one where u gotta touch the files?05:36
Jordan_UDanaG, Do you mean the DPI settings?05:36
_dan_my fonts look so weird05:36
_dan_in fesity and gutsy05:36
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TiaGo|SouZathanks, guys!05:36
RAdamscan someone open their database component of openoffice and tell me if it starts?05:36
_dan_DanaG u got any magic solution for that05:36
RAdamsnp, tiago05:36
Jordan_U_dan_, Screenshot?05:36
_dan_of which application?05:36
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_dan_gnome term fine?05:37
nb-auradams works fine here05:37
RAdamsI can't start mine05:37
nb-auim running amd64 if thats any help05:37
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RAdamstime to install the debugging symbols05:37
RAdamsi'm on x8605:37
DanaGMy fonts looked wonderful in Feisty, but now Gutsy changed them.05:37
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nb-auDanaG all the time? or just in some programs like firefox and wine05:38
DanaGEverything except KDE apps.05:39
DanaGMy comment: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3432774#post343277405:40
nb-auahh no idea then :(05:40
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nb-aumy fonts look exactly the same, except wine and firefox coz i havent install msttcorefonts yet05:41
_dan_its hard to see here since jpg makes it a bit not so colerfu05:42
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_dan_but fnts have a redish touch on the sites05:42
Jordan_U_dan_, Why not save as lossless png then, I don't see any wierdness, can you give an example of what you consider normal?05:43
_dan_normal = windows fonts, they just look "better"05:44
_dan_lets see with png05:44
DanaGFor me, normal == the old subpixel hinting.05:45
DanaGI don't mind having new options, but I hate having a new rendering system forced upon me.05:45
DanaGAt the very least, they should publicize how to get back the old style, even if it means recompiling things.05:45
DanaGBetter: debconf option.05:46
DanaGBetter still: user-specific option.05:46
_dan_when u zoom in05:47
_dan_u see clearly redish touch around the edges05:48
RAOFDanaG: There is one.05:48
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RAOFDanaG: If it's not yet a debconf option, instructions are posted to ubuntu-devel-announce (I think).05:49
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bernier hi, how can I install compiz-fusion-plugins-unofficial and compiz-fusion-plugins-unsupported?05:50
DanaGCool, then that'll satisfy me.05:51
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RAOFbernier: So, -unofficial does'nt exist, and -unsupported aren't in Gutsy :)05:53
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RAOFbernier: -unofficial is a package made of a bunch of disparate plugins by Trevino - they aren't developed enough to be put into one of the other -plugins-{main, extra} packages.05:54
RAOFbernier: And -unsupported are not supported by compiz-fusion, and so are definitely not going to be supported by Ubuntu.05:55
bernierok, so there are no extra effects to add?05:55
RAOFbernier: If you really want to, you can get those plugins from the 0.6.0 branch of git & build them against Gutsy's compiz-dev package.05:55
_dan_how can i force apt to downgrade?05:55
RAOFbernier: Not unless you want to go outside the official archives, no.05:56
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bernierok thank you05:56
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RAOF_dan_: With difficulty, generally.  What do you actually want to do?05:57
_dan_install some older pkges05:58
_dan_well dpkg did it for me05:58
_dan_had to dl manually dunno apt syntax ,)05:58
RAOFaptitude install packagename=version works, too.05:58
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bernierWhat is the "super"key?06:03
_dan_windows key06:03
RAOFWindows key, generally.  Or whatever you mapped it to :)06:03
_dan_because windows is so "super"06:03
skinny7puppyIs there a guide for vmware server install on gutsy?06:05
RAOFskinny7puppy: (09.10.41|     pkern)) ScottK: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/09/26/how-to-install-vmware-server-on-ubuntu-710/06:06
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skinny7puppyTerrific, thanks RAOF06:06
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bullgard4What is the function of the /etc/init.d directory since the advent of upstart?06:10
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joboboello! am i correct in assuming that the 2.6.22 kernel in gutsy will not have tickless support for x86_64 architecture?06:11
RAOFbullgard4: It still contains everything, for backwards-compatibility at least.06:11
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bullgard4RAOF: No, it does not contain everything. Please be more precise.06:12
RAOFjobobo: That seems a reasonable assumption.  While it's possible one of the kernel team will feel it's a good idea to go crazy with upstream patches, it seems unlikely.06:13
RAOFbullgard4: It still contains everything it used to?06:13
joboboaww :(06:13
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RAOFjobobo: As an x86-64 laptop user, I sympathise.06:14
bullgard4RAOF: Yes, I can agree to your second answer much more easily. But please be so kind and tell me what it used to contain in pre-upstart times.06:14
joboboi think i will use the i386 one then, the tickless benefits are too big to overlook :-/06:15
jbinderDoes anyone know at what time and what time zone Ubuntu follows?06:15
jbinderFor releasing updates.06:15
RAOFbullgard4: Oh.  The actual startup scripts.  the various /etc/rc.d directories just contain symlinks to stuff in /etc/init.d06:15
jbinderLike, in how long will Gutsy Beta be released?06:15
RAOFjbinder: UTC, generally.  And the beta will be released when it's done.06:15
_dan_see tpic06:15
bullgard4RAOF: Thank you.06:15
jbinderRAOF: Well the beta was scheduled for today (tomorrowish)06:16
skinny7puppyWhats the easiest way to play saved flv's in gutsy?06:16
RAOFjbinder: It should be released today, but the exact time is always a bit fluid.06:16
jbinderAnd right when it's released, everyone goes and makes it take a few minutes to time out ubuntu.com06:16
bullgard4jbinder: Universal time (UT). (Universal time formerly was called 'Greenwich Mean Time'.)06:16
jbinderIs that the one in England?06:16
RAOFYes, where many of the canonical employees are, and where archive.ubuntu.com is.06:17
DanaGI still can't figure out how to do Samba so everybody can read.06:17
DanaGOr even with password.06:17
AmaranthEvery time you ask when the beta will be out you delay the beta 24 hours06:18
jbinderIt would never come out if that were true.06:20
jbinderHundreds of people ask per day.06:20
jbinderPer hour..06:20
jbinderPer minute probably.06:20
AmaranthRAOF: You'd be surprised how empty Canonical's office is :)06:20
RAOFAmaranth: Oh, I know that not a lot of people actually *work06:21
AmaranthThen again that shouldn't be surprising since they have an entire floor of millbank tower06:21
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AmaranthWe had a chair race around it, tiring stuff06:22
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DanaGargh, I can't open my samba server from my Windows VM.06:28
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_dan_or vmware?06:29
_dan_or anything else? ;)06:29
DanaGVirtualbox, but using samba over a tap interface.06:29
_dan_lets see about mine06:30
_dan_hm mine works out of the box06:31
_dan_but i made samba conf by hand, ubuntu/gnome setup didnt work for me06:31
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DanaGsudo smbpasswd -a dana06:34
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_dan_wrong terminal06:35
DanaGno, I was saying what I had to do.06:36
_dan_ok :)06:36
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naught101anyone know of any major discrepancies in the repositories that should stop me from upgrading from feisty to gutsy tonight?06:54
_dan_generic kernel isnt working06:56
naliothnaught101: if you have to ask, you probably should wait until a public release candidate is here06:57
naught101_dan_: what's up with it?06:57
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_dan_some modules missing (for me)06:57
_dan_like wi fi06:57
_dan_and possible others06:58
naught101which wifi drivers are you using?06:58
_dan_gutsy is IMHO not useable as everydayssystem yet06:58
RAOF_dan_: WorksForMe.  Sure you have linux-restricted-modules-generic installed?06:58
_dan_RAOF maybe it works now, havend tried for 15 hours or so06:58
Matiranyone know when the next kernel release for gutsy will be?06:58
RAOF_dan_: Maybe you got caught in-between the -11 & -12 kernels?06:59
_dan_well i got both installed06:59
_dan_-386 kernel works fine tho06:59
_dan_maybe ill tray again l8er06:59
_dan_got gutsy on my plalaptop so its not that urgent, desktop runs feisty and i wont upgrade till release+1week07:00
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corevettehas the beta been release? if not when do they normall07:00
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_dan_releaseschedule in topic07:00
corevette_dan_ it's supposed to be released today, what time do they normally?07:01
Matircorevette, when it's ready :)07:01
corevetteyarg i hate those answers07:02
_dan_well since its in the middle of the night now at us07:02
_dan_i guess not any time soon07:02
corevettewill the art be final in the beta07:02
Matiractually i'd guess the release team is mostly in england or thereabouts (canonical hq)07:03
_dan_icon themes are still fucked for me07:03
_dan_at least the one i use is07:03
DanaGTangerine icons are now brown!  WTF?07:03
DanaGAt least the 'computer' ones.07:03
_dan_i hate the brown theme anyway07:03
DanaGI don't care if the default wallpaper _is_ brown -- the icons shouldn't break the color theme.07:03
_dan_well gives ubuntu an unique touch but i dont like it07:03
DanaGNow my Places menu has orange folder, orange folder, orange folder, WTFBROWN! computer, white drive, white drive, WTFBROWN Network, orange network folder, orange network folder, etc...07:04
DanaGThe brown clashes!07:04
naught101damn, packages.ubuntu.com is hard to navigate...07:04
_dan_its disgusting the color theme07:04
_dan_no idea what colorblind chose it but well07:05
_dan_matter of taste07:05
DanaGI like brown; I like orange.  I don't like brown and orange mixed with no thought to consistency.07:05
naught101mmmm.... kubuntu07:05
_dan_i am more the blubuntu fan07:05
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LynoureOh, the yearly color debate...07:08
LynoureI like the colour themes I choose for myself. I don't think I'd ever be sticking to the default theme.07:08
DanaGArgh, stupid brightness-change-on-idle.07:09
DanaGOh yeah, where was that thing about a debconf option for font renderer?07:10
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_dan_guess no one at ubuntu expects someone to use that ugly brownish theme07:11
_dan_but i have to say07:11
_dan_it really make the looks of ubuntu unique07:11
_dan_not many distros have that07:11
panosruHi! How can i set my page in openoffice to landscape07:12
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DanaGAnd don't forget the frickin' huge volume OSD.07:13
cdm10Is the beta on the site yet?07:13
cdm10Okay, that was a stupid question.07:14
skinny7puppywhere to find the non free codecs for gutsy?07:15
ubotumedibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org07:15
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nanonymei wonder why today there's no sound coming out of my gutsy07:19
DanaGmy brightness bug; hope Launchpad responds:   https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/12183307:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete] 07:20
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RAdamsanyone here using hamachi?07:20
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panosruHi, why Gutsy use so old emerald? (emerald: emerald version 0.3.0-svn)07:40
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MrKeuneris there any delay?07:46
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DanaGargh, that damnvidia blinking.07:55
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rathelI forgot, what is the command to get my device id?08:06
rathelNevermind Found it.08:11
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verb3kguys is the Gutsy beta out?08:13
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corevettethe beta is up? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=55990508:15
Daisuke_Laptopthat's pre-beta08:17
Daisuke_Laptopif you read the post08:17
Daisuke_Laptopjust making sure there are no huge things that will keep it from being able to be widely tested08:17
verb3kSo when it is released , where can I find it?08:17
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Daisuke_Laptopfrom the release schedule page08:18
verb3kmatbe here? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/08:18
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verb3kwhen do you think the beta will be released exactly?08:21
Daisuke_Laptopwell, it's on schedule for *today*08:21
Daisuke_Laptopbut i'll hazard a guess and say 12:17 and 42 seconds, Eastern Standard Time08:22
Daisuke_Laptopyou did say exactly :D08:22
verb3kI don't want to board the hype train yet08:22
_dan_y not?08:23
_dan_its driving fast08:23
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_dan_almost as fast as the apple train08:23
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Daisuke_Laptopi've been running it here since tribe 5 came out (which puts me pretty near beta status right now), and while i do feel it's an incremental release more than feisty was, every change i've seen is for the better :)08:23
_dan_i dont know about that08:24
_dan_but there are some nice things08:24
Daisuke_Laptopi personally haven't seen anything that was worse than feisty08:24
Daisuke_Laptopi like having a single applet for appearance settings rather than having to hunt everything down individually08:25
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_dan_i dont like the bulletproof x thingie08:25
Daisuke_Laptopafter de-blacklisting my video card from compiz fusion, i have that working again08:25
verb3kI think this will build up a tremendously powerful 8.04 plus LTS ( hope it will be stable)08:25
_dan_wont work for me and annoys the hellout of me08:25
Daisuke_Laptopthen perhaps i haven't really encountered it08:26
Daisuke_Laptopin theory, x should never crash?08:26
Daisuke_Laptopfallback to failsafes?08:26
_dan_i deinstalled it already (the gtk conf thingie)08:26
_dan_so it wont mess my xorg.conf08:26
Daisuke_Laptopi don't like the screens and graphics thing...08:27
verb3k_dan_, you may not want it but others who are newbies will appreciate it if they mess with the system08:27
Daisuke_Laptopor is that what you're talking about?08:27
_dan_possible yes08:28
_dan_but it didnt work for me with nvidia08:28
Daisuke_Laptopbecause i cannot for the life of me figure out how to get my tv set to the right without crashing X08:28
Daisuke_Laptopintel here08:28
_dan_so i am pretty sure, for newbies it wont work either but yes08:28
_dan_its beta08:28
Daisuke_Laptopbut an intel 96508:28
_dan_so lets see what comes out08:28
Daisuke_Laptopso possibly not well-supported yet08:29
_dan_well its new, maybe it turns out great l8er08:29
_dan_just for now it annoys me08:29
_dan_i am really looking forward to the apt enabled firefox extension08:29
_dan_anyone any idea how i can use that?08:29
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verb3k_dan_, seems iteresting feature08:31
_dan_there is no way in fesity (as i know of)08:31
_dan_to disable totem and say   hey use mplayer instead08:31
_dan_without messing with uninstall or moving libs08:31
_dan_so i really welcome that feature08:32
DanaGI think having TabBrowser Extension in there is very very bad.08:32
_dan_also, gutsy supports my laptop brightness settings now out of the box which is mucho mucho love08:32
verb3kyou can associate them manually ( I know globally you can't)08:32
DanaGIt's a dangerous, broken (even the developer admits this) extension.08:32
_dan_verb3k how?08:32
DanaGTab Mix Plus is way better.08:32
verb3k_dan_, oh...you're talking about Firefox?08:33
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verb3k_dan_, sorry , I thought you were talking about desktop playback.....yes that's not easily possible08:34
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_dan_but saw screenshot in gutsy with taht apt enabled thing08:35
_dan_where u can easily choose via one click08:35
_dan_but i cnat find it how to do on gutsy08:35
verb3kcan you show us the link?08:35
_dan_anybody?: O08:35
markusdoes tribe-5 have to be dist-upgraded on release or will a simple upgrade work?08:35
kurrosit's part of ubufox08:36
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kurrosshould be installed by default08:36
kurrosubuntu-desktop depends on it08:36
_dan_yeah but how can i u know08:37
_dan_come to the selection screen08:37
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verb3kby the way, I am really looking forward to FF3 it's shaping to be a big release08:37
_dan_if i want to installa extension with the aptenabled thing08:38
_dan_how do i do that?08:38
_dan_same feature yeah but i saw a screen but cant fint it08:39
kurrosif you have the ubufox package installed its there. just click Get Ubuntu Addons in the Add-ons window08:39
_dan_its on the ubuntu site feature list for gutsy08:39
_dan_cnat find it tho08:39
_dan_where is the ubuntu site for gutsy features?08:40
DanaGOh, and that ubufox apt also misses adblock plus.08:41
_dan_ok got it08:41
verb3k_dan_, launchpad.net should be the place (blueprints)08:41
_dan_scroll down08:42
_dan_to new features for firfox08:42
_dan_first pic u can choose which plugin u wnat to use08:42
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Bryanerrm...sorry about that....anyone got any ideas on why my sound just randomly decided it was not going to work after I updated (Ubuntu 7.10)?08:43
TuTUXGis there mediaubuntu repo for gutsy?08:43
voidmageTuTUXG: yep08:44
_dan_TuTUXG yes08:44
Bryanwhat is it.08:44
voidmagejust replace feisty with gutsy in your sources.list08:44
verb3kBryan, maybe muted .....try alsamixer in terminal08:44
TuTUXGso if i want to upgrade it just change feisty to gutsy?08:44
voidmagedeb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy free non-free08:44
voidmagedeb-src http://packages.medibuntu.org/ gutsy free non-free08:44
TuTUXGwhen the beta gonna drop?08:45
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kurrossound is only supported on Dell(R) computers now. didnt you see the announcement?!08:45
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Bryanwell I do have a dell08:45
_dan_verb3k see what i mean?08:45
verb3k_dan_, yeah08:45
Bryaninspiron 152008:45
_dan_u happen to know how i get there?08:45
kurros_dan_: like i said its part of ubufox08:45
_dan_yeah still08:45
_dan_how do i get there08:45
kurros_dan_: er, you cant manually bring up that window08:46
kurrosif you dont have flash installed (it's not OOB) the first time you goto a flash page it will come up08:46
kurrossame with the media plugins08:46
verb3kit's all about the first time I think08:46
_dan_well there must be an option to later change default setting right?08:47
kurrosso instead of firefox downloading the tar gz and doings its own local installation like it has in the past it can now use the repos08:47
kurrosno, its not a setting08:47
verb3kwhy not ask the developers08:47
verb3kto make this little button thing :)08:48
verb3kshouldn't be difficult08:48
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_dan_firefox misses an option completely08:49
_dan_where u can choose which is default plugin o which has priority08:49
kurrosyou can just uninstall your flash plugin and goto a page if you want to see it08:49
_dan_i am trying that08:49
_dan_deinstalled als flash08:49
_dan_still playing flash08:49
verb3k_dan_, ((( MAYBE removing /home/user/.mozilla/firefox will get you a clean firefox with no config))) don't really delete it ...just move it somewhere and if nothing goes as planned bring it back to it's original place08:50
verb3knote the large maybe :)08:50
_dan_i need a site with flash08:51
_dan_to trigger the plugin finder08:52
_dan_a got one08:52
_dan_ahaha yaeh08:52
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_dan_so doing that for flash now for video lets see08:52
verb3khope it works08:52
verb3k_dan_, Note that all your bookmarks are gone08:53
verb3k100% Fresh08:53
_dan_i didnt move .mozilla08:53
_dan_just deinstalled evrything08:53
_dan_well i got gutsy on my laptop08:53
_dan_only for playing around08:53
_dan_so nothing there to save anyway08:53
verb3kok did it work?08:54
_dan_got rif of lame totem08:54
_dan_replacing with vlc plugin08:54
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_dan_never tried that :O08:54
verb3k_dan_, I like the way linux saves users config files08:54
_dan_who doesnt08:55
DanaGNo "Documents<SPACE>and<SPACE>Settings" here08:55
gaminggeekwhat is wrong with totem08:55
_dan_vlc didnt work08:55
DanaGjust ~.08:55
_dan_mplayer works nice08:55
_dan_thx for the help guys08:55
_dan_well i culd live with documents and setting but what i cant live is08:55
verb3kDanaG, that's right....typing that huge string is a bad idea08:55
_dan_c:\Documents bla\something\someuser\myactualuser\something\desktop\settings08:56
_dan_and then u wont find it08:56
_dan_coz its in registry08:56
verb3kdon't remind of of ActiveX and registry xD08:56
kurrosor you could use %HOMEPATH%08:57
verb3kok guys I've got to go know .....see you soon08:57
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_dan_anyone running generic kernel with nvidia?08:58
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RAOF_dan_: Yes :)08:59
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DanaGOh hey, here's a solution to my fonts thingy: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=340165809:02
eMaX_ne1 knows how to insert the current time in kate?09:04
DanaGI just need to figure out where to put that...09:04
kurroseither /etc/fonts/fonts.conf or ~/.fonts.conf09:06
_dan_so anyone any idea why with generic kernel setting brightness wont work on my sony09:09
_dan_with 386 kernel it works09:09
DanaGI put it in a conf.d file, numbered 100.09:11
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DanaGI assume it goes through in alpha/numeric order.09:11
DanaGCool, now I can stop griping.09:11
DanaGGotta restart Xorg.09:11
eMaXne1 knows how to insert the current time in kate?09:12
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DanaGYay, I think it's better.09:12
DanaGI'm not sure, though.09:13
DanaGHmm, it's not quite the same, but I can't describe how.09:14
kurroseMaX: hit F7 and type date?09:14
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kurroseMaX: date hh:mm for time, i suppose09:15
DanaGHmm, I'm not getting the same fringes ABOVE the letter 'o', so it's not quite the same rendering.09:19
DanaGOh, what DPI should I set?09:19
DanaG(--) NVIDIA(0): DPI set to (98, 99); computed from "UseEdidDpi" X config09:19
DanaG98,99, or 100?09:19
DanaGThe Javascript DPI Calculator says it's 99.89.09:19
eMaXkurros can I bind that to a key?09:20
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Bryanalright :O I need help09:21
BryanI'm using 7.10 and I get an error that says I don't have the right Gstreamer plugins enabled09:21
RAOFBryan: When you do what?  I doubt that error comes up without you doing something :)09:22
kurroseMaX: dont think so09:22
Bryanwhen I click on the sonud icon it says "09:22
eMaXthanks anyway09:23
BryanThe volume control did not find any elements and/or devices to control. This means either you don't have the right GStreamer plugins installed, or that you don't have a card configured09:23
RAOFBryan: Right.  So, it can't find your sound card.09:23
DanaGHeh, editable menu shortcuts.09:23
DanaGThat's a way to wreak havok.09:23
BryanRAOF, well it started getting screws after the updates09:23
Bryanafter I installed 7.10 it was fine Out of the box. Then I updated and shite hit the fan.09:24
RAOFBryan: Right.  Happen to know what got updated?  Probably linux-ubuntu-b09:24
RAOFBryan: Oh, you updated from *Feisty*?09:24
Bryanit was a clean install09:24
Bryanand then I used the update manager09:24
RAOFSo, something has killed your sound card driver.  I'd guess either: and incomplete kernel upgrade, or someone broke one of the drivers.09:25
BryanI'm guessing so09:25
BryanI have a dell insprion 152009:25
Bryanif that helps09:25
DanaGOh yeah, if you custom-compile alsa-hg, you have to remove the linux-ubuntu-modules hda-intel.09:25
Bryanbut I didn't custon compile09:26
BryanI just let update manager do what it likes to do...09:26
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awk_hi everyone, is there a beta release today?09:26
RAOFawk_: No, that's last week :P09:26
rentshi, can somebody tell me why some gnome applets won't start after relogin? is it a bug?09:27
RAOFawk_: No.  See /topic :)09:27
RAOFBryan: Hm.  Make sure you've got "linux-generic" installed...09:30
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Bryanalsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device09:34
Bryanif that helps :o09:34
RAOFNot really.  It just tells me that the driver isn't working.09:34
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Bryanshould I remove alsa-base and reinstall it?09:35
RAOFProbably not, that's unlikely to be where your driver resides.09:36
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rentshi, can somebody tell me why some gnome applets (i.e trash & notes) won't start after relogin? is it a bug?09:39
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RAOFrents: I seem to see that after switching Xgl<->Xorg & not restarting.  I'm not sure why.09:41
PTKI'm getting random X freezes with compiz fusion, I can still SSH in, music continues to play, and i can sysreq-k to kill X (not ctrl-alt-backspace though, and I can't switch to a VT either) is this a known bug? is there a fix?09:41
rentsi log out and right back in, without restarting, gnome trash and notes cannon't start and i'm asked if i want to remove them from panel09:43
RAOFrents: Ok, I don't see that.09:45
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cypherdelicSEND L3 ERROR: 157 byte packet (0800:01) destined to was not forwarded (libnet_write_raw_ipv4(): -1 bytes written (Operation not permitted)09:48
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cypherdelicI try to MITM with ettercap, but kernel seems not o supor ip4 forwarding09:48
cypherdelicSEND L3 ERROR: 157 byte packet (0800:01) destined to was not forwarded (libnet_write_raw_ipv4(): -1 bytes written (Operation not permitted)09:48
cypherdelici can see all the connections, but no password is beieing sniffed, and arp-poisoning had no successs09:49
DanaG sudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=109:50
cypherdelicany ideas how to activate that?09:50
cypherdelicwll it work after restart?09:50
DanaGPut it in /etc/rc.local09:50
cypherdelicpermanently or do i have to reenable?09:50
cypherdelichm ok, but doesnt sudo requieres my pass at boot up?09:51
nanonymeerm, arp poisoning? what on earth is going on?09:52
nanonymeshould i get my gun?09:52
nanonymein case you're planning to do it on another network than your own :p09:53
cypherdelicive got the right to sniff traffic in my LAN, and becaueit is my SWITCH i can do arp poisoning, as i like09:53
cypherdelicbut i cant even sniff my own passwords...09:54
nanonymesounds quite good security ;)09:54
cypherdelicno sound like a bad auditor09:54
cypherdelic4g8 is bullshit, it redirects the traffic to me, but the connection that has been redirected, has been terminated09:55
cypherdelicthe url of my second pc were send to pc1, but pc2 cant connect, so no login can proceed09:56
cypherdelicand no pw can be sniffed09:56
cypherdeliccombo of dsnsiff, arpspoof is cooler09:57
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DanaGWhat exactly is  "macintosh mouse button emulation" ?09:58
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DanaGheh, this confused me for a moment: Packet Engines 'Hamachi' GNIC-II Gigabit Ethernet driver10:02
DanaGI thought it was a driver for the Hamachi software.10:02
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DanaGwoah, I just found a bug in the radeonhd-dbg package description:10:05
DanaGSomebody pasted the description of Intel instead of the thing saying what "debug" is.10:06
RAOFDanaG: That's awesome.  File a bug :)10:06
DanaGIt has "supports ATI cards .... yadda yadda yadda.   This driver supports Intel ..... yadda yadda.10:06
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BryanRAOF, did you happen to figure anything out ?10:18
RAOFBryan: About your sound?  No, sorry.10:18
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Bryanwhat is the command to list your sound devices?10:20
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RAOFYou may be interested in wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingSoundProblems10:21
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cypherdelicSEND L3 ERROR: 28 byte packet (0800:01) destined to was not forwarded (libnet_write_raw_ipv4(): -1 bytes written (Operation not permitted)10:28
cypherdelicafter reboot i still get this error10:28
cypherdelicsudo sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=110:29
cypherdelicexit 010:29
cypherdelic --- rc.local10:29
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slackerncypherdelic: is sudo needed in rc.local? it's executed by root anyhow10:31
nanonymeprobably not10:34
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jimcypherdelic: ahh,,, so you're setting your own thing up, your own rules etc... good! but... #networking, #iptables, #netfilter.10:38
jimor, try ipmasq10:39
rentsi log out and right back in, without restarting, gnome trash and notes cannon't start and i'm asked if i want to remove them from panel10:39
cypherdelicno i want kernel ip4 forwarding just o be permanently enabled10:39
rentshi, can somebody tell me why some gnome applets (i.e trash & notes) won't start after relogin? is it a bug?10:39
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RAOFrents: Yes, it's a bug.10:41
rentswhyy, whyyy meee10:42
cypherdelici got it with a simple ttercap starting script:10:42
cypherdelicgksu 'sysctl -w net.ipv4.ip_forward=1' && gksu 'airmon-ng start eth1' && gksu 'ettercap --gtk'10:42
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RAOFrents: Because you decided to test it for us.10:43
amiohi can I get some help please?10:43
rentsRAOF, can i maybe find some log about this?10:46
amiohi can I get some help please? I have ati rv3500 ubuntu reads it as fglrx (because there is always a restricted file to install its name is fglrx, on 7.4 I had no problem with beryl runing and default feiisty effects but now when I upgraded all seems to be wrong. I can not start the advanced compiz appereance either if I install or not install the restriceted driver also beryl doesnt work. graphic card seems not working correctly because th10:47
amioe pc is very slow and when I move any window it doesnt move smoothly10:47
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hafizanyou install beryl ?10:48
RAOFhafizan: You don't.10:49
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amiohafizan I have beryl but you mean how on 7.4 or gutsy?10:49
RAOFrents: I'm not sure where logs would be.  You could just file a bug against the package that contains those applets at bugs.ubuntu.com, and the person who looks at it may have a better idea of how to proceed.10:50
RAOFhafizan: Gutsy comes out of the box with compiz-fusion, which is what beryl has become.10:50
hafizani'm using the 7.1010:52
hafizanone thing missing here or i didn't know the comman d for cube effect10:52
RAOFhafizan: You can install the "compizconfig-settings-manager" package, and that goes to system->preferences-10:53
amiohafizan what you mean? are you having beryl or the default gutsy effects?10:53
RAOF>advanced desktop effects.10:53
hafizanadvance desktop effects10:53
amiowell I tried myself this advanced by installing compiz-fusion but it did not work with me the oposite I lost all the effects the commmand for rotating the cube is ctrl+alt+ right or left button but anyway I have itworkingnow with beryl just needed to install beryl by adding the DEB  to the session10:55
hafizanhow to install the  compizconfig-settings-manager10:55
ubotusynaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto10:55
RAOFhafizan: ^^^10:55
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RAOFhafizan: Also, if you're unsure about how to install packages, I'd *strongly* recommend using a released version of Ubuntu.  Gutsy will almost certainly break between here and release.10:56
amiohafizan this is all in synaptic just go there ctrl+f then type compiz see all about compiz and what you can install10:56
amioI HAVE ALOT OF breaks10:56
amioall is mess the graphic drivers are not working correctly I dont know even how to reinstall the ati driver which I have does any one know about that?10:57
hafizanthanks alot10:58
amioits alright10:58
hafizanbut why in default gusty didn't support intel motherboard sound driver.10:59
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amiowell its still lets say like a beta10:59
amioits not perfect yet the final release will be in october I think 14th10:59
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amiostill with alot of bugs11:00
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hafizanfor now i  just sound problem,but have been solved11:00
hafizanother fine11:01
amioI have problem with the driver only of ati its not working11:01
amioand can not start the effects at all gives me an error11:01
amionor default effects neither beryl11:02
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DanaGOdd: when I shut down, my system does a reboot instead.11:04
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hafizanwhich one the cube effect up and down11:09
defcon_isnt the beta supposed to be released today?11:09
_dan_guess so11:09
hafizani try   crtl alt up  and down doesn't work11:09
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defcon_https://iso.qa.stgraber.org <-- beta right?11:11
ikonia_doesn't look official11:13
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RAOFdefcon_: Not yet, although it may become the beta disc.  Anyway, the beta disc is unlikely to look substantially different.11:14
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ramviJust got home from work. Ready to squeeze those bugs!11:14
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unggnuhi all11:22
unggnuSomebody using compiz with resolution of 1680x1050 or higher?11:22
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RAOFYes, me.11:24
gnomefreakwho was it that had issue supgrading with envy instralled?11:29
gnomefreak.win 1211:29
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Morrowynwhen 7.10 is release, can i easily upgrade to it from 7.04 ?11:30
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slackernIs Gnome 2.20 slightly faster now or is it just another thing of my imagination or maybe it's Gutsy in general compared to Feisty?11:33
defcon_ok this is a serious bug that effects thousands of people that run the ralink chipsets "https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/34902" will this be fixed in gutsy?11:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 34902 in ubuntu "Ralink Wireless legacy drivers (rt2500 rt61 rt73 rt2570) USB/PCMCIA/PCI hangs PC" [High,Confirmed] 11:35
defcon_ all tribe versions havnt fixed it yet11:35
RAOFdefcon_: Since the bug doesn't say "fix released", I'd guess not11:36
defcon_damn that sucks, these people wont even be able to boot up11:36
defcon_i cant even boot gutsy it kernel panics11:36
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unggnuRAOF, which graphic card?11:42
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unggnudefcon_, there is still some time but if it is a complicated bug11:43
RAOFunggnu: nvidia.  Even on ATI or Intel that should work.11:44
unggnuRAOF, No, Ati and compiz only work with Xgl afaik.11:46
unggnuRAOF, I have an Intel 915 chipset and 1680x1050 on my external screen lags.11:46
RAOFunggnu: Depends on the card (or rather, the driver), and anyway, it should still work.11:46
unggnu1366x768 works fine so I am not sure if it is only a performance problem.11:46
RAOFunggnu: You're not using Xgl?  It may just be a performance problem though, yes11:48
unggnuRAOF, Afaik desktop effects using aiglx on Feisty/Gutsy so there is no need for a sepparate X server.11:48
RAOFMore or less true.11:49
RAOFBut you can use xgl if you like.11:49
RAOFIt's probably a performance problem, though.11:49
unggnuI guess so but it is a big performance difference while resolution difference isn't that huge.11:50
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unggnuIs there any "tunning howto" for compiz?11:51
spikebi wish11:52
spikebcompiz bogs down my machine like crazy if i use it11:52
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ramvi_what time is the beta due?11:55
defcon_dunno, if I install gutsy beta will it upgrade itself to the final?11:57
defcon_without probs?11:57
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ubotuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes12:00
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slackerndefcon_: It should, but it's still in development so nothing is certain :)12:01
defcon_;] 12:01
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ramvi_Well, not automatically...12:03
jscinozIs it possible to get audio output over HDMI with the snd-hda-intel alsa driver? If so how?12:05
slackern!final | defcon_12:05
ubotudefcon_: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.12:05
slackerntook me a while to figure out what the command for that was :)12:06
defcon_;] 12:06
defcon_is it a bad idea to dist upgrade from fiesty to gutsy?12:06
slackerndefcon_: I did it once just to try and it worked for me, im now running a tribe5 clean installation though just to try it out that way12:07
_dan_defcon_ yes12:07
defcon_i thought so12:07
slackernphew, had headache for the last 12 hours and it finally went away \o/12:09
defcon_same here lol12:09
defcon_Excedrin rocks12:09
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SpiritDis it today that the gutsy beta comes out???12:14
defcon_sometime today12:15
jscinozgutsy beta?12:15
jscinozarent we already using that12:16
SpiritDno idea what time or nefing?12:16
jscinozor are we using alpha?12:16
SpiritDtribe 512:16
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SpiritDdefcon_, do you know if it will just be an update for the tribe systems?12:17
zerwasDoes somebody know if there is an open bug report for the slow loading icons in "Applications Places System"?12:17
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jscinozwhats final gutsy release date? oct19?12:17
defcon_just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade from tribe12:17
jscinozIs it possible to get audio output over HDMI with the snd-hda-intel alsa driver? If so how?12:19
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ikonia_jscinoz you just asked that in #ubuntu12:19
rom1vgnomefreak: where can I contact asak12:20
jscinozyeah... but different people here, maybe another chance :P12:20
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AnRkeyI am having some problems with apt-get and the hotkey-setup package. Not sure if it's a bug. Here is my output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38791/ Can some1 take a look at it for me?12:20
darkstarhi everybody. can anyone tell me why after installing tribe 5 i386 and applying proposed updates, I find myself with a X86_64 system, now?12:20
ikonia_jscinoz: no - you're asking in in appropriate channels, your not running gusty - this channel is for gusty support, not a back up if you don't get an answer in #ubuntu12:21
ikonia_darkstar you installed the the wrong cd ?12:21
AnRkeydarkstar, you sure you downloaded the correct ISO?12:21
neildarlowdarkstar: maybe proposed-updates isn't in place for an unreleased version and it's broken12:21
darkstarNope. installed i386 and was asked to apply 480+ updates...12:21
darkstarI am positive.12:21
jscinozwell bye12:22
darkstarIt basically ran a distribution upgrade, instead..12:22
ikonia_darkstar it can't update from 32 to 6412:22
darkstarNot that I am complaining about it. Just looks funny to me12:22
ikonia_it must be the wrong cd12:22
darkstarikonia_: I am positive it is an i38612:23
darkstarikonia_: that's why it looked strange..12:23
darkstarneildarlow:  as I said it looks weird to me12:26
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ikonia_darkstar can't be12:26
neildarlowdarkstar: did you really expect it to work?12:27
darkstarall: I am as amazed as you guys are. I installed the i312:28
ikonia_maybe the name on the cdrom was wrong12:28
ikonia_as you can't update from 32 to 64 bit12:28
scizzo-darkstar: run: uname -a12:29
scizzo-paste the full line in here12:29
darkstarbut installed packages were NOT deb64!12:29
scizzo-or if you are using irssi: /exec -o uname -a12:29
scizzo-Linux psycho 2.6.22-12-server #1 SMP Thu Sep 20 19:25:44 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux12:29
darkstarWhen I ran update manager and accepted proposed upgrades it went through a complete deb64 install12:30
scizzo-is the result in that case12:30
scizzo-darkstar: you say you are positive and not complaining but still you are not following the instructions to get information about the computer so we can see what is going on with the machine12:31
ikonia_darkstar run uname -a12:31
darkstarLinux w62-gutsy 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 20:03:18 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux12:32
scizzo-he does it when ikonia_ asks12:32
ikonia_thats not possible12:32
darkstarscizzo: nice what12:32
scizzo-I am out of here12:32
ikonia_you can't update from 32 bit12:32
darkstarYou gottra believe me..12:32
darkstarAlright, then. suppose this can't be. What happened, then?12:33
AnRkeyI am having some problems with apt-get and the hotkey-setup package. Not sure if it's a bug. Here is my output http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38791/ Can some1 take a look at it for me?12:33
scizzo-darkstar: mount the CD you installed from and then let someone help you to look at the CD to confirm that the image is actually correct12:33
darkstarscizzo, hold on. I'll mount the install CD12:34
ikonia_darkstar did you install from cd or from the upgrade process ?12:36
scizzo-ikonia_: CD -> Update to gutsy12:37
ikonia_so a fesity cd install then an update to gusty12:37
scizzo-ikonia_: he says that the update to gutsy was causing the 32bit to 64bit12:37
ikonia_I can't accept that12:37
ikonia_it can't update an arch12:37
scizzo-ikonia_: well either that....or from tribe 5 CD12:37
darkstarikonica_: from the CD and I just found out that it is an AMD64 architechture... Sorry for the panica I caused :)12:37
ikonia_I knew it12:37
scizzo-darkstar: ok.....as you can see its often easier to do one thing at the time12:38
darkstarscizzo: one thing at the time menaing what?12:38
scizzo-darkstar: error searching12:39
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darkstarscizzo: right... But I finished installing and upgrading about two hours ago.... SHould have taken more time to think about it. You're right.12:40
panosruhow to install flash player on firefox ? (i'm on gutsy 64bit)12:41
ikonia_gnash is the only option12:41
ikonia_and its buggy12:41
darkstarpanosru: like I did: install ia32libs..12:41
panosruok i will install 32bit libs an then install firefox 32bit and install plugins?12:41
darkstarshould work.12:42
_dan_dont use 64bit when u dont need it12:42
ikonia_and there is the key advice12:42
_dan_no point in doing so imho12:42
ikonia_and the advice thats most ignored as 64 bit is twice as fast as 32 bit.....etc12:42
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afiefShouldn't the Beta release be today?12:44
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darkstarikonia_: it's not that. Can't be twice as fast as the 32 bit. However if you install a development version, like you and I did, why not installing your architecture and get along with all its problems?12:44
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ikonia_darkstar of course its not twice as fast, I was being sarcastic, but thats what all the people who ignore the advice say12:45
Tomcat_It's still a good idea to use 64 bit when it's available. :)12:46
Tomcat_No use staying on old technology all the time...12:47
ikonia_Tomcat_ depends on your needs12:47
_dan_no its not a good idea actually12:47
darkstarRight... Still I suppose if you install an unstable branch of no  matters which distribution you know you're going to face issues. That said, this makes me think installing your own architecture is a right choice12:47
_dan_just gives u trouble and no speed increase *at all*12:47
Tomcat_But I'm rather using 32bit with 64bit CPU because there are too many disadvantages on 64bit.12:48
darkstar_da_ why not dropping x86_64 completely, then? what is the use of spending thousands of hours developing an otherwise useless architechture?12:48
ikonia_darkstar because thats how it develops12:49
ikonia_and its not usless12:49
_dan_some say its very usefull for servers12:49
_dan_when u have big ram sizes12:49
ikonia_its massivly useful for server and specific desktop requirments12:49
_dan_since u can addrss more ram12:49
darkstarYes but to keep it under development you need guys who install it, run it and crash it, right?12:49
ikonia_people who can feedback on it12:50
ikonia_not say "I want flash to work please fix"12:50
darkstarwell we'll all get to the point of having flash animations working under 64b12:51
ikonia_ you're missing the point12:51
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darkstarI dont't tjink so, ikonia. Just as a choice of freedom i believe that one should install a development version 8either a stable one) of choice. Then he/she should get along with the issues deriving from his/her choice. Just like life...12:52
neildarlowhow about installing 64 bit on a 64 bit system and running 32 bit virualized?12:53
darkstarneed to get some food. BRB12:53
ikonia_neildarlow done that many times12:53
ikonia_an excellent development aid12:53
neildarlowand you confine 32 bit operation/breakage to its own environment12:54
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Ngis there a "correct" way to do encrypted home partitions in Gutsy?12:54
NgI don't wanna do it in a way that won't be automatically loved in Hardy ;)12:54
_dan_its eazy woth PAM12:55
_dan_crypto home gets mounted when u login12:55
_dan_there is a howto *somewhere* on forums/wiki12:55
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Ngok I'll have a look, thanks12:57
XeroCan you 'nest' VMs within each other?12:58
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neildarlowXero: virtualizing virtual hardware. might be problematic12:59
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XeroI'm not talking virtual virtual hardware, I'm talking virtual virtual virtual virtual hardware01:01
neildarlowXero: most likely to be problematic :)01:01
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branstromHow do I get rid of the dialog "The X system keyboard settings differ from your current GNOME keyboard settings" ? How do I set my GNOME keyboard layout?01:06
branstromIt always pops up when I log in01:06
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rhYaN`how to set into starup my apache, mysql, im using xampp01:23
PicirhYaN`: On Gutsy?01:24
rhYaN`im using ubuntu 7.0401:24
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PicirhYaN`: The support channel for 7.04 is #ubuntu, this current channel is only for 7.10/Gutsy.01:24
rhYaN`ahh ok tnx01:25
rhYaN`by the way, what is the difference of fiesty and gutsy?01:25
_dan_gutsy is the current development version of ubuntu01:25
_dan_its not released yet01:26
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rhYaN`ahh ok... when the gutsy will be release?01:26
_dan_half a month or so01:26
_dan_see topic for concrete date01:26
rhYaN`is beryl compatible in that version?01:27
PicirhYaN`: Gutsy will include compiz-fusion by default.01:27
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rhYaN`what do you mean by that?01:28
rhYaN`sorry this is my first time inn linux01:28
avatar_today beta1 will be released01:28
PicirhYaN`: Its a newer version of Beryl01:29
rhYaN`ahh ok very nice... brb i take my dinner :D01:29
rom1vbeta1 of what?01:30
Picirom1v: Gutsy...01:30
rom1vif I have tribes501:31
rom1vand I update from apt-get01:31
Pici!final | rom1v01:31
rom1vit's the same?01:31
uboturom1v: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.01:31
rom1vsudo apt-get dist-upgrade01:31
rom1vI believed I was in the konsole :)01:31
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_dan_rhYaN` if thats ya first ime, dont use an unstable distribution01:32
rom1v-believed +thought01:32
_dan_use 7.0401:32
phiremy /proc/bus/usb is empty01:33
phireah, mounting usbfs in it fixes it01:35
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_dan_32bit emu on 64bit linux has local root exploit01:43
rhYaN`hi, no body answer my concern in #ubuntu01:48
rhYaN`any one can help me here?01:48
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_dan_u can try postin a question@ubuntu forums01:50
_dan_ppl are usually very helpfull there01:50
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PicirhYaN`: I sent you a response in #ubuntu, did you see it?01:54
PicirhYaN`: er, nevermind01:54
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nikolamHmm I have "raid" option in bios but xbuntu amd64 7.04 wont boot with that set on.02:08
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nikolamDoes Gutsy can use fakeraid (dmraid) setups?02:08
nikolamOr to coexist with linux software raid together with win`s software raid with Bios support (dmraid)?02:09
stefgnikolam: you need the alternate installer for raid setups02:09
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nikolami know. Only alternate i u se nayway02:09
nikolamQuestion is how to boot system when that sotware raid is enabled in bios.02:10
stefgusually the kernel doesn't use the fajeraid onboard controllers, but presents the disks separate, so you can use lvm on tehm02:10
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nikolamBut if I use LVM, i cant use bios`s fake raid on win and have dual boot?02:11
stefgnikolam: you have to find a proper driver if you want to use the fakeraid controller on your mobo02:11
nikolamI know that win part.02:11
nikolamLin. Part with grub/dual boot and lvm as you sugessted is unknown.02:12
Eq|workit's a really really bad idea02:12
Eq|workit WILL cause issues02:12
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Eq|workand most likely WILL break02:12
Eq|workand you CANNOT migrate the drives to other boards02:12
nikolami currently use dual boot with non-raid win and linux software raid without lvm02:12
stefgso what's wrong with taht ?02:13
nikolamI also have software raid option in XP. It works02:13
nikolamBut don`t know how to make both xp`s and linux software raids to dual boot02:14
hyljecross-platform software raid is asking for trouble02:14
stefgFakeraid controllers a usually a stupid idea... the CPU does the work anyway, so why add extra complexity02:14
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nikolamMaybe 1. make xp sof raid 2. install linux soft raid 2. grub install and dual boot.02:14
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nikolamI know. So, anyway, i should turn it off in bios and use both software raids, but XP software raid uses only altered ntfs disks, I cant install linux on..02:15
nikolamSo my thinking is give xp its fake raid on partition and use linux soft raid on the rest of the space.02:16
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nikolamBut i think that I cant install linux on dmraid device or grub on disk with fakeraid setup on partition.02:17
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chronographerHi all I got a problem in gutsy, I cannot run both dual monitors (set up in Screens and Graphics) and also compiz at the same time. If dual screens is on, compiz segfaults if dual screens off, compiz is fine.02:20
chronographerso... Can anyone recommend a fix? i.e. should I try to run compiz on one screen while not on the other? or should I set up dual monitors differntly?02:21
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nikolamHmm. Will it work if one X session is started on one monitor and another session on other monitor?02:22
chronographerI don't know, i never tried that02:22
chronographersounds complex02:23
chronographerthe other monitor is a tv. used for playing movies and kids shows02:23
chronographerin my other install i have it set up as a unique monitor, but I think gutsys control panel makes it all one wide desktop02:23
nikolamwhen I type startx (or when you login throught gdm) it reads some setup. But what if you start another X from console (alt+F2) that have ist own xorg conf , its ogn second gdm etc etc..02:24
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chronographerunfortunately that still sounds too hard. If I do that, i will need to remote desktop in to change things like, play a movie over there. mousing around on a 640 tv screen sucks02:26
chronographerI might fiddle with my xorg again, try a different method of dual monitor stuff.  maybe nvidias gui?02:26
nikolamYou switch X server with ctrl+alt+F7, F8,F9.. :)02:26
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chronographerok.. so I could have one with two screens, one with conmpiz eh?02:27
chronographercan I set F7 to use a certain xorg, and F8 another?02:28
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nikolamI can log multiple users and start multiple X sessions on same monitor. But never tried with multiple monitors. But should not be a problem. Just choose where (on what display) should it put its output in second X setup, I think..02:28
nikolamYes , i think. but dont know about if compiz takes over it completely. i would: Start compiz on one (with no dual monitor) and go to console alt-F2 and atart another X but making shure to pass it options for startin on another monitor.02:30
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nikolamNever tryed it actually, just gessing.02:30
chronographeryreah ok. how do you set it to use a different xorg?02:30
nikolamI think like passing some option eather if you start gdm or if you start startx directly.02:31
ReL1Kanyone here listen to sirius? if so what are they using to play it?02:31
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ReL1Kcan't get sipie to work02:31
nikolamsee some manual on startx for second xorg.conf and diplay choose.  Didnt tryed that reely.02:31
chronographernever heard sirius02:32
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martalliSince I disabled xgl, gutsy seems to be working OK.  Here's to the upcoming beta release!02:34
ReL1Ksirius satellite radio?02:34
rom1vwhere can I download kubuntu gutsy beta02:36
kwadronautany plans to fix gutsy's ekiga with the upstream debian fix? (symbol lookup errors )02:36
kwadronautrom1v: get the server install and apt-get install kubuntu-desktop02:36
rom1vI have kubuntu-gutsy tribes 5 in cd, there isn't kubuntu gutsy beta02:37
rom1vdirectly with kde?02:37
ReL1Krom1v, google download kubuntu gutsty02:37
martallirom1v: Also you could check google and find: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/02:37
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ReL1Krom1v, tribe is beta02:37
avatar_kwadronaut: check your mirror again02:37
ReL1Kwell pretty much, its not officially beta yet02:37
avatar_ReL1K: tribe is alpha02:37
rom1vbut some said beta was out today02:38
martalliI thought the tribe was alpha....but the beta is scheduled to come out today02:38
martalliThere haven't been many updates from the servers for a day or so...I guess they have frozen everything for the beta02:38
ReL1Kavatar_: pretty much exactly what i said02:38
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Hobbseetribe is alpha, beta will be out today02:38
Hobbseeand you guys fail at patience.02:38
chronographeri just install gutsy today. it recognised all my hardware, even installed my printer automagically!02:38
rom1vI installed gutsy for that reason, my hardware  was not recognized02:39
rom1vby feisty02:39
martalliHobbsee: I have plenty of patience.  I have been on the alpha for a month and a half =)02:39
rom1vbut I have a bug with my wifi driver02:39
rom1vI can't use my wifi card:(02:39
chronographerjust cant use my tv as second screen and compiz at the same time...02:39
chronographerdamn. that sucks02:39
rom1vit strange because some people with exactly the same computer can02:39
chronographergoogle it!  you will find a solution!02:39
rom1vI reported the bug02:39
sindile_how do you connect to bluetooth get this error obex://[00:12:62:5d:58:e9] " is not a valid location with BluetoothManager02:40
rom1v"google it!  you will find a solution!"02:40
rom1vI took about 8h02:40
rom1vto find a solution02:40
rom1vbut there wasn't02:40
chronographerI tried to converty a friend but his touchscreen (tablet pc) wouldn't work... so he stuck with XP02:40
qziorom1v: tried the madwifi driver?02:40
chronographerdamn... 8 hours is a long time02:40
rom1vhere is my bug02:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 144882 in network-manager "ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH] : Operation not supported" [Undecided,Incomplete] 02:40
qziooh wait, what kind of card is it?02:40
ReL1Kanyone got dual heads working on t61 intel drivers?02:40
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jiphexHello, just downloaded the CD testing ISO version of gutsy and tried an install, but it chose the migration assistant by default (didn't ask me), and now the migration assistant has failed at 88% installation and the installation has stalled02:44
LaibschWhen calling "man" under edgy, the info page would "remain on-screen" after quiting the man page.  That is not the case anymore with gutsy.  Is that configurable?02:44
LaibschTake a look at http://oz.leggewie.org/tmp.txt for a better, more graphical explanation of what I mean.02:45
jiphexmy error > http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3880202:45
kwadronautavatar_: no luck... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/opal/+bug/11773202:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117732 in ekiga "ABI changed without a corresponding soname change" [High,Fix committed] 02:46
kwadronautfix committed but not yet in repo.02:46
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TrewasLaibsch: that depends on the pager and what it does when it quits, it can be changed with "update-alternatives --config pager" (as root)02:48
contrast83Greets, everyone...02:50
contrast83My Compiz is completely screwed - http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=516373 Any ideas?02:50
ReL1Kanyone know how to change from metacity?02:50
LaibschTrewas: Both boxes are configured the same, IOW they use less02:51
chronographercompiz --replace02:52
chronographeror metacity --replace02:52
chronographerto go back02:52
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mrtimdogLaibsch: it may also depend on the terminals capabilities.02:53
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TrewasLaibsch: "more" as pager here leaves the text and "most" and "less" clear it, but maybe the terminal etc also affects it02:54
Laibschmrtimdog: Thanks for the hint.  It seems I have hit some problems there that I wanted to adress at a later time (encoding problems).  How do I find out about the terminal capabilities and how to I fix them?02:54
Laibschmrtimdog: TERMCAP?02:55
mikedep333hey, I am interested in grabbing the official beta release since the 9/25.2 build seems to have a failing installer for me. Is it available in CD form yet (my net connection is too slow to download the dvd)?02:55
avatar_mikedep333: check releases.ubuntu.com02:55
mikedep333I was looking at cdimage.ubuntu.com02:56
Nghttp://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta :)02:56
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LaibschTrewas & mrtimdog: Looks like setting TERMCAP is at least not sufficient02:58
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unggnuAnybody here with intel graphic?02:58
mrtimdogLaibsch: what's your TERM env var set to, is it the same in both terms?02:58
TrewasLaibsch: setting TERM to vt100 instead of the default xterm seems to change it02:59
Ngunggnu: I have an i855GM02:59
LaibschTrewas & mrtimdog: this does not seem to be a gutsy vs edgy issue02:59
branstromhttp://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta#head-c37ee1849c1c754f07736bf7d37acd0592a198c4 "Dynamic screen configuration" sounds interesting for my TV-out setup. I haven't got it working yet...02:59
branstromHow would I enable xrandr?02:59
ReL1Kunggnu, yes alot of us03:00
ReL1Kand they are still buggy03:00
ReL1Kmines still blacklisted03:00
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LaibschTrewas & mrtimdog: It does not work in a regular shell (IOW xterm) on the edgy box03:00
unggnuNg, does compiz with xv work for you Ng?03:00
mrtimdogLaibsch: no, it's a common unix issue.03:00
LaibschTrewas & mrtimdog: It works inside screen on both boxes03:00
ReL1Kunggnu i got a fix for ya03:01
LaibschTrewas: Thanks, I will try vt10003:01
Ngunggnu: providing I don't suspend/resume, yes03:01
unggnuCould anybody with intel graphic card and new Intel driver check this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/141063 ?03:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 141063 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "new Intel driver freezes system on video play after changing to console" [Undecided,New] 03:01
unggnuIt has nothing to do with suspend resume, it is just console change03:01
mikedep333this might be my problem with the two day old desktop cd03:01
ReL1Kunggnu: at the shell type SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace &03:01
mikedep333The desktop CD sometimes suffers kernel oopses in the "unionfs" driver, which manifests itself as random program crashes, the installation getting stuck, or similar. It usually helps to just reboot and restart the installation. (https://launchpad.net/bugs/144945)03:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 144945 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "kernel Oops in unionfs with l-u-m version 2.6.22-12.32 using Edubuntu amd64 daily 200709025" [High,New] 03:01
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mikedep333you gotta love the "kernel oopses"03:01
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unggnuReL1K, But it even happen without compiz03:02
LaibschTrewas: Thanks a million.  vt100 indeed works fine.  How do I make that permanent and consistent for all users?03:02
ReL1Kunggnu, yea suspend/hibernate is broke on mine as well03:02
ReL1Kalso if im using a screensaver03:02
ReL1Khangs sometimes03:02
ReL1Kcan use a black screen03:02
ReL1Kto fix03:02
unggnuReL1K, No, suspend works fine for me even with compiz :)03:02
unggnuok, sometimes the gray rectangle bug03:02
unggnubut this one is known03:02
unggnuNg, would be great if you could check it.03:03
ReL1Kunggnu: you didn't happen to get dual heads working03:04
ReL1Kone thing im lacking03:04
Ngunggnu: sure03:04
unggnuReL1K, Work fine since Gutsy and new intel driver.03:04
unggnuNg, A comment would be great.03:04
ReL1Kare you using xrandr?03:04
unggnuReL1K, Yes, to disable lfp.03:04
ReL1Ki have a docking station, one with VGA, the other with DVI03:05
ReL1Kcan't get them both to span03:05
unggnuReL1K, Docking station yes, DVI not.03:05
LaibschTrewas: /etc/environment ?03:05
Ngunggnu: I can play video and switch to/from console fine, but we have fairly different chipsets ;)03:05
LaibschTrewas: That file is so far empty03:05
ReL1Kdvi's working fine, can't get it to span over the vga one03:05
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unggnuNg, So you play a video with xv, close it, change to console and back and then playing a video works fine?03:05
unggnuNg, But you use the intel driver not the i810?03:05
unggnuReL1K, It automatically starts with clone mode on my laptop if an external screen is connected.03:06
ReL1Kyea, same here, but it has to be the laptop screen not the two monitors03:06
unggnuReL1K, disable them with xrandr03:07
Ngunggnu: yep. and using the intel driver. you're using i9xx and Im i8xx, so I wouldn't expect to see the same bugs (and I'm fairly sure I heard some talk of the i9xx support in the -intel driver having some Xv issues)03:07
unggnuOk, thanks.03:07
sindile_solved my bluetooth03:07
unggnuNg, So you haven't the grey rectangle problem too?03:07
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ubotuLaunchpad bug 127101 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "laptop hangs when switching video mode" [Unknown,In progress] 03:07
mrtimdogTrewas: look in /etc/login.defs, and at TTYTYPE_FILE within.03:08
penguincentralhi, i find that when i try to manually add contacts into gizmo project 3.1 (i run ubuntu 7.10alpha5), Gizmo crashes on me.  Can anyone help me, or are there other places to go?03:08
chronographerhello. Is there a forum to ask folks about compiz in ubuntu?03:08
mrtimdogTrewas: sorry that was supposed to be Laibsch:03:08
Ngunggnu: doesn't seem like it03:08
sindile_Solved my BluetoothManager problem may be implementation of this would be very useful to a new user https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/bluez-gnome/+bug/13153003:09
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131530 in bluez-gnome "'Browse device...' in the bluetooth applet is useless without gnome-vfs-obexftp" [Medium,Confirmed] 03:09
chronographerIRC for desktop effects?03:09
unggnuNg, weird. Maybe you still using i810 driver or it is really a chipset issue.03:09
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mrtimdogchronographer: #ubuntu-effects03:10
Ngunggnu: no I'm definitely using the intel driver. I think it's purely because we have different hardware03:11
Ngunggnu: I see some weird bugs that almost nobody else does :)03:11
unggnuYeah, I know this feeling ;)03:12
Laibschmrtimdog: I don't understand what value I would need to set TTYTYPE_FILE to.  Should that point to a file that I need to create?03:12
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mrtimdogLaibsch: I'm thinking that's the wrong place now, as you said it's for many users.03:17
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nb-aushould the torrents be rejecting my bittorrent?03:19
branstromHow I enable xrandr as mentioned in http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta#head-c37ee1849c1c754f07736bf7d37acd0592a198c403:20
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LjLUbuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) Beta 1 is out03:21
rom1vgnomefreak: are u there?03:22
branstromDoes anyone know about xrandr? :)03:22
gnomefreakrom1v: yes i am but no im not, im in the middle of something03:23
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blue|palmis there a way to dist-upgrade to gutsy from feisty now already?03:24
nb-auLjL: the torrents still dont work :(03:25
mc44update-manager -d, blue|palm03:25
LjLnb-au, are you already running gutsy?03:25
blue|palmmc44, next question, how safe is it atm?03:25
mc44blue|palm: well, it's "beta"03:25
nb-auwanna reformat though a few things are borked03:25
blue|palmmc44, i dont have anything critical on my pc,i just want to avoid having to reformat :P03:26
mc44blue|palm: don't use on a machine you can't afford not to have break, in other words :)03:26
blue|palmmc44, hehe ok03:26
blue|palmmc44, thanks03:26
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nIRV_good evening03:27
ReL1Khow do we update to beta from tribe 5?03:27
ReL1Knada on dist-upgrade03:27
nIRV_anyone has a dual monitor setup?03:27
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mc44if you have been updating regually, you already have the beta, ReL1K03:28
corevetteis this the official release: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/03:28
LjL!beta | ReL1K03:28
ubotuReL1K: Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+103:28
ReL1Kthats probably true03:28
ReL1Kupdate pretty much everyday03:28
nIRV_I'm facing a weird problem whereas everytime I open total, it screws up my dual monitor resolution03:28
mc44LjL: ah you added the regular updates bit :)03:28
ReL1Kwhen did they release beta?03:28
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HobbseeReL1K: around 30 mins ago03:28
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:LjL] : Gutsy Gibbon Beta 1 is out! If you regularly update ("dist-upgrade" or otherwise), you already have it | Please *don't* run Gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Don't use development version of Ubuntu on production systems | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape!
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HobbseeLjL: ?03:29
mc44topic clash!03:29
Hobbseei'll fix03:29
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mc44needs revision control :)03:29
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:Hobbsee] : Gutsy Gibbon Beta 1 is out! If you regularly update ("dist-upgrade" or otherwise), you already have it | Please *don't* run Gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Don't use development version of Ubuntu on production systems | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape!
ReL1Kthen i probably shouldn't be beta if it was released 30 mins ago, i haven't updated since last night :P03:29
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HobbseeReL1K: archives (main) have been frozen anyway03:29
LjLReL1K: i haven't updated since yesterday, and i have beta.03:29
nb-auso is the torrent working for anyone? or is it just me?03:29
Hobbseenb-au: should be slowly working - they're having trouble with it03:30
LjLnb-au: don't know, i'll see03:30
LjLi meant, seed03:30
ReL1Kgood job so far guys, finally pushed the switch off of windows nipple and made it my primary os03:30
nIRV_(or maybe would it be possible for one of you guys to redirect me to the right channel to get help on dual monitors system? thanks)03:30
ReL1Kintel cards still being blacklisted?03:31
ubotuInformation about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama03:31
nb-auHobbsee: im getting rejected by the tracker :(03:31
Hobbseenb-au: it's still all resyncing.03:31
nb-aufair enough03:31
ubotuxinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead03:31
ReL1KLjL: does that include intel cards for dualhead as well?03:32
LjLnot sure ReL1K03:32
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`MatirReL1K, for intel, I would look at using xrandr for dual-head03:33
gnomefreakrom1v: tell him on the bug i cant be your middle man until im better and all my work is caught uphe needs info he will ask for it if you need input reply to bug he will answer most questions.03:33
ReL1K`Matir: yea, i can get it to span on my actual laptop screen and my monitor without a problem however, i have a docking station, one DVI other VGA, can't get them on both mons03:33
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`Matirahh... one of them stay blank?03:34
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nIRV_I have a thinkpad r51 -- the display*-gtk shipped with gutsy doesn't allow me to set up a dual monitor in xinerama mode (but can be done by applying some 'vi xorg.conf' magic) -- is xrandx any different?03:34
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ReL1K`Matir: Kinda of yep. Basically, I'll start the boot, it'll show up on my right screen, then when X starts it'll show up on the right03:35
ReL1Kurr left03:35
ReL1Kand the right one stays black03:35
`Matirdoes xrandr even see both outputs?03:35
ReL1Kand if i try to configure it under screens, it kills X03:35
ReL1Kim not that familar with xrandr, how can i tell?03:35
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gleblancSo, I've got some comments about the Distribution Upgrade window...03:36
ReL1Kwhen i type xrandr03:36
`MatirIf you run 'xrandr' by itself, it shows all probed outputs03:36
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ReL1Kit says "VGA connected (normal left inverted right) LVDS connected 1280 x800+0+0 normal left inverted right 331mm x 207mm and TMDS-1 connected 1280x1024+09+0 normal left inverted right 376mm x 301mm03:36
gleblancFor starters, it's impossible to see the entire thing when the terminal output is visible03:36
volantareshi all.. i have a question: will Gusty have support for Geforce 8800 GTS?03:36
gleblancbecause you can't resize the window, and it's taller than my screen03:37
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gleblancIt also got "stalled" on the pam upgrade03:37
`MatirReL1K, so it's seeing 3 screens... are you getting output on your DVI or VGA connector?03:37
gleblancjust sat there for a while, until I finally hit 'enter' and it went on about it's business03:37
gleblancBut I have no idea what hitting enter did, because I couldn't see the bottom of the terminal window03:38
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gleblancI also couldn't close the terminal window during that time03:38
nIRV_matir, when I run xrandr, it only sees one screen (although I'm having two monitors up and running in xinerama mode on an intel (i810) card) and also breaks resolution; is that a problem that sounds familiar to you?03:38
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avatar_nb-au: torrent should be working right now03:39
`MatirnIRV_, I'm not specifically sure, but I know my laptop did that with the older ati driver that did not have proper randr support, I believe.03:39
`Matirgleblanc, what resolution do you use?03:39
ReL1K_`Matir: got discoed rq, did you say something after i showed you the xrandr output?03:39
gleblanc`Matir: 1280x76803:39
`MatirReL1K, I was asking which screen you currently get output on... DVI or VGA03:40
gleblancthe maximum supported on this laptop03:40
nIRV_so maybe i810 doesn't support xrandr properly; hrm, which is a shame as I can't seem to make the 'intel' module work with my video card03:40
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`Matirgleblanc, it should be visible there, I would have thought... it works on my ancient 1024x76803:40
ReL1K_`Matir: dvi03:40
klaxianhas anyone had a problem where mousing over some graphics or scrolling in firefox causes the images to move 1 pixel...it's very annoying03:41
gleblancIt might be just covered by my panel03:41
`MatirReL1K, I would try (just to see if it works) "xrandr --output VGA --same-as TMDS-1" and see if the other screen comes alive03:41
nIRV_klaxian, firefox version == ?03:41
nb-auavatar_: yep going good now :)03:42
nIRV_kla, is problem happening on specific sites or in general?03:42
klaxiannIRV_: in general...it happens on all sites03:42
ReL1K_`Matir: no go, other screen didnt come on03:42
klaxiani think it may have started happening when I adjusted my dpi settings in the Gnome Appearance Manager03:43
nIRV_matir, is totem player calling xrandr when loaded (I dont see any reason why but typing xrandr in terminal results in same monitor breakage as running totem)03:43
klaxianbut changing that setting doesn't seem to fix it03:43
`MatirnIRV_, just running xrandr without any arguments?03:44
nIRV_klaxian, yeah it might be a dpi setting problem as firefox 2.x doesn't deal very well with dpi variations03:44
nIRV_matir, yep03:44
nIRV_which is weird because I thought that'd only give me a status, not play with screens resolution/setup03:44
klaxiannIRV_: well i'm trying setting it back to 96 dpi for now to test...03:44
`MatirnIRV_, I can't think of any reason totem would touch xrandr, but they might both directly interface hardware in a bad way03:44
`Matirit does only give status... no changes03:45
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nIRV_well it certainly does change things quite a lot here :)03:45
ReL1K_`Matir: any other ideas? or SOL for now? :)03:45
`MatirReL1K, someone who knows more about xrandr might be more helpful, but that's all i can think of... unless it's trying to output at a mode that the monitor doesn't support03:46
klaxiannIRV_: at 96 dpi, i don't notice the problem...however that's not the correct dpi for my screen03:46
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klaxiannIRV_: it's workable i suppose if that's the only solution03:47
`MatirReaby, is the monitor on your VGA fairly new?  CRT or LCD?03:47
`Matirerr, ReL1K ...03:47
nIRV_you can either change screen resolution or download one of the alpha/betaish version of upcoming firefox 3 which fixed many issues regarding dpi to pixel conversions03:47
ReL1K_`Matir: they are samsung LCD"s03:47
klaxiannIRV_: i have firefox 3 beta...i'll try that...03:48
nIRV_matir, in theory, are all video cards supported by i810 driver also supported in the intel driver?03:48
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gnomefreakeifzon: it hasnt been released yet03:49
eifzonI am downloading it03:49
gnomefreakeifzon: from where?03:50
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eifzonsoon done03:50
Hobbseegnomefreak: beta 1 is released.03:50
gnomefreakHobbsee: they let it go already?03:50
hetaumahi can u please tell me if gutsy comes with compiz fusion?03:50
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Hobbseegnomefreak: yes03:50
leperkhan1hetauma: yes.03:50
eifzonI am exited :)D03:50
Hobbseehetauma: it does for clean installs.03:50
gnomefreakmust have been while at drs this morning03:50
`MatirReL1K, I would check that the mode being output is applicable to the monitor03:50
gnomefreakor sleeping03:50
hetaumaHobbsee, and it works even with ati cards?03:51
gnomefreakyay that means we thaw soon :)03:51
eifzongnomefreak, i just looked at distrowatch P:03:51
`Matirother than that, running out of ideas :)  X is a bit of a beast, even to me03:51
klaxiannIRV_: firefox 3 seems to fix the dpi rendering problems (mostly).  the url in the location bar still moves when i hover over it03:51
klaxiannIRV_: well at least i know it's a firefox issue that they are working on03:51
klaxiannIRV_: i'll just set the dpi to 96 for now03:52
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nIRV_kla, the url moving in location bar is a different issue that has to do with their font rendering engine. that was fixed +/- a week ago in their daily builds.03:52
Hobbseehetauma: may do.  no idea03:53
Hobbseegnomefreak: was only ~1 hr ago03:53
Hobbseegnomefreak: unfreeze is tomorrow03:53
nIRV_firefox 3 on linux will be a gigantic leap, they really are working hard to fix core issues03:53
klaxiannIRV_: ooh, well then it seems firefox 3 will fix the dpi issue :)03:53
gnomefreakHobbsee: was atdrs than03:53
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gnomefreakat drs. than03:53
klaxiannIRV_: yah it seems faster too03:53
hetaumacan I check somewhere the changelog for daily cd's?03:53
gnomefreaki just got home like 20-30 minutes ago03:53
mikedep333hey guys, I am attempting to use ndiswrapper with my broadcom 802.11n card. ndiswrapper loads the win32 driver and the ndiswrapper kernel module is loaded, but I don't think eth1 or wlan0 or whatever shows up03:54
nIRV_yep; plus, they finally managed to use native controls within webpage (i.e. buttons and text forms actually uses your current theme graphics)03:54
klaxiannIRV_: cool!03:54
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nIRV_matir, when I execute xrandr, it outputs this: "Screen 0: minimum 1024 x 768, current 2304 x 1024, maximum 1024 x 768"03:57
`Matiris that all you get?03:57
nIRV_matir, it seems xrandr doesn't recognizes I have 2 monitors and add the two resolution together (hence the impossible current resolution)03:57
`Matirare you using xinerama?03:58
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nIRV_xrandr 2nd output line: default connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right) 0mm x 0mm -- xrandr 3rd output line:    1024x768       75.0*03:58
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`MatirnIRV_, that might be why... I don't know how xrandr and xinerama get along, to be honest... never had xinerama working on here, so hadn't tried03:59
rhYaN`hello all03:59
nIRV_so xrandr can only deal with cloned dual monitors?03:59
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`Matirno, xrandr can do multi-monitor (non-cloned) as well....04:00
nIRV_multi monitor (non-cloned) != xinemara ?04:01
`Matirit does the same thing, but without using xinerama04:01
nIRV_oh so maybe the solution would be to switch to multi-monitor not using xinerama04:02
rhYaN`last month, i request a ubuntu 7.04 cd from the ubuntu website, and i paid it 35 pesos. can i request a gutsy cd after the final release with the same price?04:02
nIRV_which I'm afraid don't really know how to setup :) matir, do you know of any good how to?04:02
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`MatirnIRV_, not in particular, but in most cases, it's as simple as something like xrandr --output CRT-0 --left-of LVDS04:05
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nIRV_matir, your being of great help, thanks. one more question: do I have to setup anything in the xorg.conf to tell X I have 2 monitors? should I just get rid of xorg.conf?04:07
rhYaN`last month, i request a ubuntu 7.04 cd from the ubuntu website, and i paid it 35 pesos. can i request a gutsy cd after the final release with the same price?04:07
`MatirnIRV_, in my case, I did it from a very plain xorg.conf with no problems04:09
nIRV_matir, googling xinemara and xrandr, it's clear both are not meant to be used together. seems you had that right :)04:09
`Matiryeah, i get the impression that xrandr is supposed to replace xinerama at some point04:09
`Matirit's nice that it can do it on the fly04:09
nIRV_okey let me reboot with a plain xorg and see if I can apply same magic as you...04:10
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gleblancApparently I need SHMConfig set to true in my xorg.conf04:12
Fracture!info handbrake04:12
ubotuPackage handbrake does not exist in gutsy04:12
gleblancIs there a particular portion of xorg.conf that it needs to exist in?04:12
`Matirgleblanc, probably the device section for your graphics card04:13
gleblancoh, sorry, I guess I should have said that I'm trying to configure my synaptics touchpad04:14
rom1vwhy all the drivers are in the kernel, but webcams driver have to be installed separately?04:14
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nIRV_matir, working from a fresh xorg.conf04:16
nIRV_matir, if I type xrandr --output CRT-0 --left-of LVDS , nothing happens04:16
`MatirnIRV_, what does "xrandr" by itself show?04:17
nIRV_Screen 0: minimum 640 x 480, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 76804:18
nIRV_default connected 1024x768+0+0 (normal left inverted right) 0mm x 0mm04:18
nIRV_   1024x768       75.0*04:18
nIRV_   800x600        75.004:18
nIRV_   640x480        75.004:18
nIRV_which is my laptop LCD04:18
`Matirodd... it should show the CRT output as well04:19
nIRV_(I should say I'm running with no xorg.conf atm, which might affect the chance of success :) )04:19
nIRV_matir, do you know how to reset xorg.conf to default values? I saw the command somewhere but forgot, had to do with dpkg -XvDlkkslaksla xorg-server04:20
`Matirthe current xorg should autodetect everything just fine04:20
`Matirdpkg-reconfigure -phigh xorg-xserver04:20
nIRV_hrm, it says not installed04:23
`Matirsorry, xserver-xorg04:23
`Matirjust not thinking today04:23
nIRV_but dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver works ok04:23
nIRV_seems to work just fine04:24
nIRV_(one monitor)04:24
nIRV_but xrandr still shows only one monitor04:25
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nIRV_matir, progress! I know have two monitors with right resolution but 2nd is cloning the first one (and 2nd should really be primary monitor but I can deal with that later)04:28
`Matirok, what does xrandr show now?04:29
`Matiryou can switch the primary and secondary04:29
nIRV_hrm, it outputs quite a lot, can I paste you output in private msg not to flood channel?04:29
nIRV_hrm, I just noticed I have to register to send you prv msg04:33
nIRV_w8 a minute04:33
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GuyFromHellis it me or does the new flashplugin-nonfree update... not have the plugin at all...04:42
martallinIRV_: Why not just message for all of us to see?  The purpose of the channel is for education and help.  Inevitably, someone else will be having the same problem as you are having.04:43
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LoRehi, how can I start gnome with metacity instead of compiz?04:50
minimecLoRe: You find this in the Desktop-settings. If not killall compiz ;)04:51
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nIRV_the machine04:53
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nIRV_it seems swithing to xrandr also fixed my totem issue04:54
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ReL1Kanyone got sirius working on gutsy?05:03
joeaminedsince i updated to gutsy, the systems sounds of connecting and leaving the session no longer work. How to fix this ?05:04
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nIRV_matir, didn't work05:05
LoRei found the key with gconf-editor now05:05
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nIRV_matir, after further testing, if my external monitor is plugging in, xorg considers it screen005:08
nIRV_if unplugged, my lcd becomes screen0 (after an xorg restart05:08
nIRV_that's bit irritating as icons on desktop have to be shifted around every time you remove external monitor05:09
`Matiryeah, i can't find a way to force choice of screen05:10
nIRV_matir, oh while I think of it, I noticed xrandr configure doesn't get saved on exit, I have to open a terminal window and retype the xrandr --output <...> command every time I open a new xorg session?05:11
nIRV_answer to screens: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg/2007-August/027670.html05:14
nIRV_basically it says I'll have to find a way to leave with fact that screen0 will be external monitor as it's hardware coded (weird) ...05:15
ReL1K`Matir: still no luck on xrandr :P any ideas :P05:15
nIRV_matir, I only need to pick up your brain one last time, sorry :) do you know how to apply xrandr settings permanently throughout sessions?05:15
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nooseislooseanyone here have an nvidia quadro nvs140m ?05:23
ReL1Kanyone know what a tv connector is05:24
ReL1Kfollowing some steps05:24
ReL1Kon xrandr05:24
Vegarnooseisloose: I do05:24
nooseislooseVegar: mind if I pm?05:25
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NgReL1K: presumably a TV output from your graphics card?05:27
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NgReL1K: (which you may or may not have, depending on the hardware)05:27
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romI am trying to install gutsy beta05:29
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rombut it blocks at 87%05:29
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romInstalling "paquets linguistiques"05:30
rombut cd player has stopped05:30
romand ... nothing05:30
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Ngrom: it might be the first Caveat listed at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta#head-71c953634fbf2cf5b38e4f469641d08bdb69e9d805:31
romI took the french kubuntu version05:32
rom(or english kubuntu version, but from french servers)05:32
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nIRV_the machine05:33
nIRV_reverted back to xinerama as xrandr simply doesn't deal with screen0/1 the way I need my laptop to deal with ... downside is the strange bug with totem (also affecting skype)05:34
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tininHi, will I  have problems upgrading if I did install my graphics with Alberto Milone's "envy" script?05:35
soothsayerHow can I find recursive symlinks?05:36
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slackernsoothsayer: how do you mean, you want to see where a symlink points? 'ls -l symlink' will show where it goes05:38
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ReL1Kguys quick question05:39
soothsayerslackern: I mean a series of symlinks that form a cycle.05:39
ReL1Kif i use the screen configuration for my two lcd monitors05:39
ReL1Ki can get them to both display fine under "test"05:39
ReL1Kwhen i go to click keep configuration, it flashes and then comes up on only one screen05:39
ReL1Kso its *kinda* working, just not when i click on the keep configuration05:39
`Matiryeah, displayconfig-gtk is buggy, IMO05:40
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nIRV_not only in your opinion :)05:41
ReL1K`Matir, any idea how i could get it to work with xrandr? :p05:41
nIRV_but I remember on planet.ubuntu.com seeing someone developing alternative xrandr UI (from same guy behind envy)05:41
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`MatirReL1K, what exactly are you trying to do?05:42
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slackernsoothsayer: ahh hmm, not sure,i only changed dir last time to where the symlink pointed and the did another ls -l on the new symlink05:42
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ReL1K`Matir: same thing we were doing yesterday, i want to have dual monitors working on the intel card. If i use the screens section, select my actual monitor, then hit extend and clone, works fine on both monitors, except for when i hit keep configuration05:43
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soothsayerslackern: What?05:43
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soothsayerslackern: How did you find the symlinks in the first place?05:43
ReL1Kone is hooked up via DVI, other hooked up via VGA, the DVI one shows up as my main one when X has started but when booting it shows up on the VGA one05:43
`Matirwhat's your xrandr output again?05:43
ReL1Kvga connected, lvds connected tmds-1 connected05:44
`Matirso you want dual monitors on the vga and tmds (DVI/HDMI) outputs?05:44
slackernsoothsayer: i usually spot them by colour, or they will have a @ symbol infront of the filename but maybe you want to find all symlinks on your system?05:44
soothsayerslackern: I want to find symlinks cycles (if such a thing is possible). Symlink1 -> Symlink2, Symlink2 -> Symlink105:45
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slackernsoothsayer: this page show different solutions for doing what you want i belive http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=56547505:46
soothsayerslackern: Thanks but you clearly don't understand my question.05:46
`MatirReL1K, try "xrandr --output TMDS-1 --auto --output VGA --auto"05:46
`Matirsoothsayer, do you want infinite depth?05:47
soothsayer`Matir: Yes, (or depth greater than whatever Ubuntu can handle)05:47
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slackernsoothsayer: You are right, i missunderstood you, you wanted to find symlinks that go back to eachself all the time?05:48
ReL1Kit says05:48
ReL1Kcannot find crtc for output VGA05:48
soothsayer`Matir: Does -depth in 'find' do this?05:48
kozohi i have some problem, right now i have ubuntu and grub installed but i want to install xp or vista now too for dualboot wil it be recognise be the vista bootloader?05:48
soothsayerslackern: Yes.05:48
`Matirsoothsayer, -depth just limits how far in the directory tree it goes05:48
`MatirReL1K, ah, you'd need to turn off the built-in monitor with xrandr --output LVDS --off05:48
ReL1Kdude you flippin rule05:49
ReL1Kany way to extend to right05:49
ReL1Kthe VGA?05:49
ReL1Kits working omg05:49
`Matirxrandr --output VGA --right-of TMDS-105:49
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ReL1Kxrandr, close it says screen cannot be larger than 2040x2040 desired size 2560x102405:51
ReL1Kerm `Matir05:51
ReL1Kowe you a beer btw, you near ohio? ;P05:51
`Matiratlanta, unfortunately :)05:51
ReL1Kany clues how to fix the cannot be larger then 2040x2040?05:52
`Matiras I told nirv_ earlier: <`Matir> and what's happening is that the maximum virtual desktop for your card (by default) is 1280x1280.  If you add a line to your xorg.conf with "Virtual 2304 1024" it'll let you go up to that size.  That line would go in the display subsection of the screen section of xorg.conf.05:52
`Matir<nIRV_> ok05:52
`Matirthough in your case, you need "Virtual 2560 1024"05:52
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slackernsoothsayer: found 2 scripts to do it, it will show some rubbish also but it will find those symlinks that are 1->2->1 http://wellington.pm.org/archive/200507/one-liners/slide08.html05:53
ReL1Kbrb restarting X05:53
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nIRV_matir, last one I promise: is there a way to make current xrandr settings permanent?05:53
soothsayerslackern: That says broken symlinks05:54
nIRV_or do we have to run a shell script during session opening?05:54
`MatirnIRV_, the only way I'm aware of is to add them to your xsession, unfortunately05:54
`MatirI've been looking for that myself as I need xrandr to get my X to display anything at all05:54
ReL1K`Matir: worked like a champ man, thank you so much05:54
soothsayerslackern: Meaning symlinks with an absent destination file05:54
nIRV_so basically, xrandr is far away from being perfect plug and play solution? :)05:54
ReL1Kslight quirk, my start menu is only on the right side, and not the left hehe05:55
ReL1Kmoved it over05:55
`Matirsame issue nIRV_ had... seems to be based on which CRTC is mapped to which output in your card05:55
`MatirnIRV_, it's not perfect, but it seems pretty powerful... I'm hoping for a way to specify xrandr options in xorg.conf at some point05:56
slackernsoothsayer: aye i made a ln -s doh doh1 and a ln -s doh1 doh and then ran the script and it found it05:56
nIRV_relik, but every time you will reboot the computer, you'll have to move your bar again05:57
ReL1KnIRV_: gotchya05:57
soothsayerslackern: Really? Okay thanks that's great!05:57
ReL1Kwhen i use compiz, it makes my entire desktop white05:57
ReL1Kany idea how to fix?05:57
ReL1Kguess i cant have both right now :)05:57
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`Matircompiz requires DRI, right?05:59
`Matira stupid question... either DRI or crappy speed :)05:59
nIRV_the xrandr team should really do something about the screen0/1 issue; it doesn't make sense that screen0 switched depending on whether you have external monitor plugged in or not... oh well05:59
`Matirthe issue is that intel graphics cards cannot support DRI on a virtual desktop greater than 2048*204806:00
slackernsoothsayer: you will get a ton of broken links and stuff in /dev and those places but i guess you know what you are looking for and where so to say06:00
Eq|worknIRV_ : this on laptops?06:00
`MatirnIRV_, I agree... haven't had the issue myself (not having a 2nd monitor) but it would be annoying06:00
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soothsayerslackern: Yeah, thanks again06:00
nIRV_eq, yep06:00
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slackernsoothsayer: glad to help, never looked for it myself either before :)06:00
Eq|worknIRV_ : and they change screen 0 if an external monitor is plugged in? ewww06:01
nIRV_matir, on a fixed station it doesn't matter so much, but on a laptop, it affects you everyday as soon as you unplug and take it away06:01
Eq|workscreen 0 should, imo, always be the lcd..06:01
ReL1K`Matir: can i put it at a lower virtual desktop?06:01
ReL1Kto get it to work?06:01
ReL1Kwhat should i set it at?06:01
nIRV_eq, one would think so yeah06:02
nIRV_relik, you should have your virtual desktop width and height no higher than needed (i.e. screen0 width + screen1 width, same for height)06:02
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ReL1KnIRV_ its set to 2560 1024 right now06:03
nIRV_relik, what are the width x height of your 2 screens?06:04
ReL1Kthey are standard 19' lcd's06:04
`Matiri think he meant in pixels06:05
nIRV_k but do you have them set to 1028x768 or 1280x1024 ?06:05
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nIRV_k well then your virtual desktop size's okey (1280+1280 x 1024)06:07
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TiaGo|SouZabeta 1 is ouy?!?!06:08
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TiaGo|SouZawhere can I download it?!06:09
ReL1Kso i put in virtual 1280+1280 1024?06:09
nooseislooseVegar: That fixed my problem, tyvm06:09
Vegarnooseisloose: can you file a bug report on the restricted-drivers with your solution?06:10
nIRV_no no I meant your virtual desktop value is okey at Virtual 2560 102406:10
nooseislooseyes, will do06:10
ReL1Kjust trying to figure out how to get compiz to work06:11
_dan_anyone got any idea why brightness settings work in 386 kernel but not in -generic?06:11
ReL1Kit works fine, looks fine, just desktop goes white06:11
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_dan_Reaby nvidia?06:11
nIRV_cool, this xrandr thing fixes a lot of small annoying bugs that xinerama had (totem screwing up res, print screen not working properly, etc.).06:12
`MatirReL1K, do compiz effects work?06:12
ReL1Ksure do06:12
minimecReL1K:  you have no wallpaper or you don't see any window at all?06:12
_dan_Reaby misstell sry06:12
`MatirnIRV_, yeah, it works nicely, except the screen 0/1 issue06:12
ReL1Kit doesn't show anything on the desktop at all06:12
ReL1Kjust white06:12
`MatirI wonder if you could remap the CRTCs06:12
Reaby_dan_: np06:12
nIRV_matir, I wish06:12
nIRV_matir, do you know where we could get in touch with the xrandr devs on irc>06:13
ReL1Kand if i click on an icon, that i can't see you can click and open it06:13
ReL1Kjust cant see shit ont he desktop06:13
ReL1Kcube works and everything06:13
TiaGo|SouZawhere can I download the beta?06:13
minimecReL1K: That's not good...06:13
`MatirnIRV_, not sure to be honest... the ubuntu devs would be in #ubuntu-x, but not sure about upstream06:14
ReL1Kyea i know its not good :P any idea how to fix06:14
minimecCould it be that you have no Workspace defined?06:14
`MatirnIRV_, can you send me the output of "xrandr --verbose | grep -i '(connected|crtc)'" ?06:14
ReL1Kin order to get compiz to work with my card06:15
ReL1Ki have to do06:15
minimecReL1K: Could it be that you have no Workspace defined?06:15
ReL1Ka SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace &06:15
ReL1Kminimec, works fine if i dont do the VGA to the right in xrandr06:15
ReL1Kif i do dual mons works fine if its a clone06:15
`MatirReL1K, does it even work fine cloning with that virtual line in xorg.conf?06:16
nIRV_matir, no output with the grep -i part06:16
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minimecReL1K: Ok. I have also a dual screen setup but with E17 without DRI. If I use DRI I am also in clone-mode.06:17
`MatirnIRV_, sorry, replace that grep with 'egrep'.06:17
ReL1K`Matir: yepper06:18
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ReL1Kjust went i do vga to right06:18
ReL1Kextend it06:18
minimecReL1K: So you have one screen running, and the other goes white?06:18
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ReL1Kminimec: no, so if i do extend to right in xrandra,then i turn compiz on06:18
ReL1Kthe desktop goes completely white06:18
ReL1Kthe start menus still there06:18
`MatirnIRV_, yeah, the LVDS is only connected to CRTC 1... so no possibility to swap them06:18
ReL1Kthe cube works06:19
`Matirthat's actually by the hardware design... pretty weird06:19
ReL1Kjust white background, can see no icons06:19
`Matirwhat if you extend after enabling compiz?06:19
ReL1Klemme try06:19
nIRV_matir, xrandr should be responsible to assign screen0 to CRTC 106:20
`MatirnIRV_, it would be nice :)06:20
minimecReL1K: One cube for both screens?06:20
nIRV_well, sounds to me like it's a very basic feature you'd want to offer to laptop users .. Maybe one day in the xrandr release note, we'll see "New Exciting Feature! Make your laptop lcd the primary screen"06:21
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`MatirnIRV_, yeah... with every machine i've seen that does NOT use intel graphics, the LVDS is on CRTC 0, and thus primary screen... only intel swaps them... for some reason :)06:24
nIRV_hope xrandr won't fall into yet another of these debates where theory over practice will not allow intel laptop users to enjoy a nice multi monitor experience :o)06:25
`Matirpersonally, the next laptop i buy will probably have intel graphics, so i'd be all for making that work06:26
nIRV_it's probably not that difficult either; maybe a xrandr --switch-crtcs06:27
bronsonwhy on earth does git-core conflict with git-completion?06:27
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bronsonMan, launchpad is utter hell.06:30
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LuCypheranyone here who knows why Gutsy Beta is only on DVD???06:31
bronsonOK, I give up.  I can't figure out how to get launchpad to show me all bugs reported against git-core.06:31
bronsonLuCypher: huh?  tribe 5 cd isos are easy to come by.06:31
nIRV_zzz; thanks for all the help matir06:31
Eq|workbronson : go to launchpad, click bugs, search git-core ?06:31
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`MatirnIRV_, np06:31
Eq|workLuCypher : so same as feisty then?06:32
bronsonEq|work: I don't think any of those apply to git-core.06:32
bronsonIt's hard to tell.06:32
frostburnLuCypher, it's a beta LIVE dvd, meaning most of the packages are already on the disk06:32
LuCypherthat means , CDs will be available with stable release06:34
frostburnof course06:34
frostburnhttp://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-4/ is a cd06:34
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Eq|workLuCypher : not necessarily.. feisty seems to be dvd only now..06:34
LuCypherOK... I already have Tribe506:34
LuCypherWhy this decision?06:35
frostburnthe live versions yes, but i just downloaded fiesty cd for a relative06:35
Hobbseebronson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/git-core ?06:36
Hobbseeuh, there are normal cds for feisty and gutsy06:36
Eq|workHobbsee : not on cdimages :P06:37
Eq|workcdimages.ubuntu.com only has dvd's06:37
bronsonHobbsee: awesome.06:37
bronsonNow how the heck did you find that page?06:37
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Hobbseebronson: lp.net/ubuntu, search for git-core as teh package name, hit bugs.06:37
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LuCypherEq|work : it seems that all CD versions are removed 7.04...6.10 too06:37
HobbseeEq|work: uh, that's not good06:37
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Eq|workLuCypher : indeed.06:37
Eq|workHobbsee : someone screwed up perhaps?06:38
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DShepherdwill there be new artwork for gutsy's release?06:38
HobbseeEq|work: no, they're at releases.ubuntu.com/7.04 now, it looks like06:38
Eq|worki was a bit disappointed when i stumbled across that last week or so.. was at a clients and needed a known livecd that would work well and have a fast dl.. so had him dl ubuntu.. had to get gutsy in the end.06:38
PiciDShepherd: Different than feisty artwork.06:38
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DShepherdPici, wallpaper and all?06:38
PiciDShepherd: Yes.06:39
bronsonOh, lp.net/ubuntu...  That must be the magic.  I was trying to do it from plain old lp.net.06:39
DShepherdPici, is the new artwork in the beta?06:39
Eq|workshould be.06:39
PiciDShepherd: I think so.06:39
DShepherdPici, ok thanks for the info06:39
Eq|worknew wallpapers have been in main for a while..06:39
Hobbseebronson: or pick ubuntu from the main page.06:40
HobbseeEq|work: [02:40]  <elmo> the release ISOs are on releases and the  DVDs and non-release isos on cdimages06:41
LuCypherHobbsee : that's it06:41
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`Matirgutsy artwork is a little annoying to me06:43
darkstarikonia_: decided to reinstall the i386, latest daily build dvd06:43
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VousDeuxno updates today?06:50
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PiciVousDeux: We're in a bit of a freeze due to beta.06:51
afiefWhy is the Beta on DVD only?:S06:51
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whileimhereHi I am using fiesty. How do I get gutsy?06:51
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`Matirwhileimhere, edit your sources to say gutsy instead of feisty and then run the upgrade06:52
Hobbseeafief: it's not - see releases.ubuntu.com06:52
darkstarwhileiamhere: go get it06:52
`Matircan anyone tell me when the betafreeze is lifted?06:53
`Matirah, cool06:53
afiefHobbsee, what about this page? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/06:53
`Matirhopefully there'll be a new kernel shortly thereafter... 2.6.20 is getting tiring for me06:53
Pici`Matir: hmm? 2.6.22 is in gutsy...06:54
Hobbseeafief: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/122229  [02:40]  <elmo> the release ISOs are on releases and the  DVDs and non-release isos on cdimages06:54
ubotuLaunchpad bug 122229 in ubuntu-cdimage "add pointers to releases.ubuntu.com" [Undecided,Confirmed] 06:54
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`MatirPici: yes, but not with support for my wireless card06:54
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:Hobbsee] : Gutsy Gibbon Beta 1 is out! If you regularly update ("dist-upgrade" or otherwise), you already have it | Please *don't* run Gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Don't use development version of Ubuntu on production systems | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | See releases.ubuntu.com
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afiefHobbsee, okay, on a different note though, have you noticed that gutsy is slower than feisty on low end computers?06:55
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pwuertzi have an old 1GHz celeron notebook06:56
`Matiri'm not sure 1 GHz is "low end" :)06:56
pwuertzHz is nothing.. the processor generation matters06:56
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afiefWell, for me a 3GHz desktop with 256 is choking on gutsy06:57
afief256MB ram06:57
pwuertzthat laptop is about 5 years old06:57
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`Matirah... 256... that's the "low end"06:57
`Matiris it swapping a lot?06:57
pwuertz256 is ridiculous ;)06:57
afief`Matir, a bit, not too much06:58
kwadronautafief: i hope you're not running a typical ubuntu install. because they generally don't think of people with a tighter budget06:58
afiefpwuertz, yeah my bro killed the other ram chip while he was "attempting" to fix the PC06:58
afiefkwadronaut, actually i am06:58
darkstarI have just installed latest daily build of gutsy (sep25) and I see no speed difference, if compared to feisty on my amd64 3gh with 1.5g ram--06:58
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afiefguess it's just my ram then06:59
frostburnit is06:59
pwuertzafief: thats not a big deal.. I mean... 256mb additional ram are just cheap06:59
bronsonWait, Gutsy is freezing before tracker 0.6.3 was uploaded?07:00
bronsonOh noes!07:00
frostburnyou're constantly paging to disk and that's adding 8+ms to most every instruction07:00
afiefpwuertz, I'll probably get 1GB ram for it, I'm sure the 3GHz CPU can use it07:00
pwuertzsure thing07:00
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=== kwadronaut wonders why the gnu compiler only uses one cpu.
=== bronson still hopes that tracker gets merged for gutsy... but time is getting horribly tight.
pwuertzram is definetely07:01
Hobbseeafief: that will tend to choke, yes.  remove tracker for a start07:01
Hobbseebronson: that's the plen07:01
bronsonkwadronaut: have you seen the gcc source?07:01
Hobbseeer, paln07:01
Hobbseeer, plan07:01
bronsonhaha.  Well, I'm glad it's still a possiblity.07:01
kwadronautbronson: no i haven't. not even seen the notes to it.07:01
afiefHobbsee, tracker? sorry but i don't know what that is.07:01
Hobbseeafief: google it07:02
pwuertzram is definitely a problem.... as I said... I got a 5 year old laptop... running modern desktop software just fine... all I did was an upgrade from 256 to 512mb ram07:02
bronsonkwadronaut: well it's, ah, tortured.  Multithreading it would take an act of the gods.  :)07:02
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bronsonMuch easier to split your source into two files and run make -j207:02
pwuertzI really would like to buy a new laptop... but the problem is... the old one is doing great, so I can't really find a reason for getting a new one ;)07:03
afiefHobbsee, wow:D nice technology that's being added to ubuntu.07:03
bronsonpwuertz: which one do you want to buy?07:04
pwuertzdapper, feisty and gutsy didn't change that after all07:04
Hobbseeafief: indeed, but it's kinda heavy on resources.07:04
bronsonafief: tracker 0.6.2 isn't quite awesome yet.  But it's close.07:04
bronsonYeah, 0.6.2 thrashes your spindles, starving other I/O.07:04
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DanaGNote that the name didn't change -- the app did.07:05
bronsonApparently that's fixed in 0.6.3.  That's why I can't wait to try it...07:05
pwuertzbronson: I thought about some mac-book... or a standard laptop... it doesn't really matter because I don't need it for games and stuff07:05
dazrouranyone know if there is a repo like trevinos for gutsy07:05
afiefHobbsee, what's the package name for tracker?07:05
bronsonafief: er, tracker.07:05
Picidazrour: Why? compiz-fusion is in Gutsy.07:05
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dazrouris it the lates git build?07:05
bronsonpwuertz: oh.  Well, isn't the screen on your current laptop looking pretty dim?  And the keyboard looking sorta grimy?07:06
bronsonCertainly time for a new one!07:06
Picidazrour: No.07:06
Hobbseeafief: bluefish, of course.07:06
dazrourPici: how would i install and keep getting the latest git build of it then?07:07
pwuertzbronson: I use my laptop for reading papers or doing development stuff... when it comes to 3d-graphic development, most laptops can't handle my stuff anyways...07:07
Picidazrour: Why not look to see on trevino's site if he offers a gutsy repo?07:07
dazrourhe hasnt yet07:07
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pwuertzbronson: yes... the screen is dark and most of the keyboard-buttons are blank ;)07:08
Picidazrour: Then I do not know.07:08
pwuertzthe letters vanished over the time07:08
dazrourok thanks07:08
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cdm10Is it just me, or is Gutsy beta a slow download?07:10
romgutsy tribes 5 was far stable for me07:10
romfar more stable07:10
romthan beta07:10
cdm10rom: That's... weird07:10
slackernAnyone good with screen that know how i make pageup/pagedown work properly in a gnome terminal while using screen?07:10
bronsonrom: for me too.07:10
romwith beta I can't install with desktop cd, it blocks at 87%07:10
romand I installed via alternate07:10
romwhen I log07:10
cdm10I was thinking of installing this as my main OS for the time being, I've completely broken Feisty.07:10
bronsontribe 5 suspended and resumed, and I didn't have any backlight issues.07:10
Pici!enter | rom07:10
uboturom: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!07:10
romuntil I reboot07:11
bronsonCurrent Gutsy crashes on suspend/resume and the backlight is all horked up.07:11
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cdm10I'm stuck in Windows 'till I either reinstall Feisty or use Gutsy... so I was thinking of waiting 'till the beta and installing that.07:11
PiciIf you all were running Tribe 5 and were keeping the updates up-to-date, then you were running the same versions as beta.07:11
PiciAnyway, if you have bugs, feel free to log them, thats what beta testing is for.07:12
romfor me it worked07:12
romwith tribes 507:12
romnot with beta07:12
slackern!enter | rom07:12
uboturom: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!07:12
cdm10!enter > rom07:12
romok sorry07:12
cdm10Doesn't really matter, my system's already screwed up so I don't really care how much the beta screws it up. I'll reinstall from feisty if it comes to that.07:12
bronsoncdm10: I wouldn't worry too much.  Other than suspend/resume and the backlight on my thinkpad, the beta seems great.07:13
Picibronson: What model thinkpad?07:13
DanaGHint for suspend: dig around in /etc/default/acpi-support.07:13
bronsonPici: T42p07:13
cdm10bronson: well, s/r was already broken for my by the nVidia driver, so I don't really use it.07:13
cdm10DanaG: Yeah, that's helpful.07:13
Picibronson: hm.  Backlight is working normally on my T60.07:13
DanaGOn my laptop, I have 'save vbe state' true, 'vbe post' false, and 'save pci state' true.07:13
DanaGNote that those are not the exact parameter names.07:14
bronsonPici: it's probably the old ATI adapter in mine?07:14
bronson(which supports compiz beautifully btw)07:14
acusterwell let's try installing the beta, eh?07:14
Picibronson: Could be any number of things.07:14
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bronsonI suppose.  Usually these things magically clear up in a week or two.07:15
bronsonSame thing happened in Edgy and Feisty.07:15
bronsonIf it's still not fixed in a few days, I'll file a bug.07:15
bronsonAh, drat.  Gutsy git is still
pwuertzanyone got that "gnome-appearance-properties" take 100% cpu time bug?07:16
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rom:'o I can't have gutsy beta on my laptop... feisty doen't work, gutsy beta doesn't work, but gutsy tribes 5 works07:19
romstrange o_O07:19
Picirom: Have you checked md5sums?07:20
romI will check07:20
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romdbd3faba3997e43f9fae3157acdbb0ce *kubuntu-7.10-beta-alternate-i386.iso07:21
romwhat's the command07:21
romto check07:21
rommd5 ... ?07:21
Pici!verify | rom07:22
uboturom: To verify your Ubuntu ISO image (or other files for which an MD5 checksum is provided), see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/VerifyIsoHowto or http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows07:22
rommd5 is ok07:24
romfor the iso07:24
Jaymacdid you try an upgrade from tribe 5?07:24
romI tried, before formatting07:25
romit worked07:25
rombut I had a problem with my wifi card that some other people with the same computer have not07:25
romso I wanted to try from a clean install07:25
rombut it doesn't work07:25
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EstethIf i run update-manager -d to upgrade, and i end up messing up my installation, is there a way to roll back to feisty?07:28
amiohi need help please something wrong ith the graphics pc works slower and when I move some window it moves slowely with some shaking on the background ho to reinstall drivers of ATI I tried from the main web site of ati but pc failed to work in normal mode only in safe07:28
bronsonamio: did you try lowering your desktop effects setting?07:30
bronsonWhat graphics adapter?07:30
amiobronson they are the most low no effects at all I disabled them07:30
amioall was fine with 7.4 but now its not so good07:31
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Piciamio: Are you running the gutsy restricted drivers for your ati?07:33
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amiopici no I am not because even before I had it and it stops graphics. I tried runing it again though but same I disabled it now07:33
Piciamio: What ati card do you have?07:34
HobbseeEsteth: no07:35
Piciamio: It should be working with the restricted driver.  I have a card based off the same series and it works fine.07:36
amiook one question though is rv a radeon or radeon mobility?07:36
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Piciamio: I'm not sure.  I have an x1400 in my laptop which is based off of the 300 series chipset.07:38
EstethTo make sure: before upgrading, i should: remove drivers installed with envy, remove compiz-fusion, and remove anything unnessecary from the "start these apps at startup" list?07:38
PiciEsteth: Don't tell me you use Automatix too.07:39
amioall is done but still07:39
EstethPici: I don't use automatix, but restricted-drivers-manager was failing to get the right drivers for my 8800series card07:39
PiciEsteth: It should work in Gutsy.07:40
PiciEsteth: I'd remove them though just to be sure.07:40
amioif you have a laptop then it wont make you problem I have other laptop with m700 ati and it worked with no problem just desktop pis making such which I am now using it07:40
PiciEsteth: And backup, of course.07:40
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Piciamio: What exactly happens when you use the restricted drivers?07:40
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EstethPici: Ok, there's nothing really important on this machine anyway, really. a few bits and pieces it'd be a little annoying to lose, but nothing that would be devastating if i lost it.07:41
PiciEsteth: As long as you understand the risks :)07:41
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EstethPici: As far as i know, it can't go as far as making my computer unable to just wipe the partition and install feisty from scratch, right?07:42
amioin 7.4 all what  I get is all effects gets disabled beryl and compiz so I didnt install it its an fglrx driver named xorg-driver-fglrx  here now as the pc anyway doesnt work good even if I install doesnt make any difference07:43
EstethOk, thanks for the help :)07:43
Piciamio: Yes, but have you tried the restricted driver manager in Gutsy?07:44
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amiopici I think I said I did nothing makes changes its not changing anything07:45
amio even after restarting07:45
PiciAfter restarting and enabling desktop effects it doesn't work?07:45
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amioI did doesnt work07:47
bronsonAnyone know offhand if it's still possible to get git 1.5.3 into Gutsy?07:47
bronsonIt is MUCH better than
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bronsonWell, maybe not MUCH, but it does have some pretty important new features.07:48
DanaGThe safe way for new nvidia: install it yourself.07:48
DanaGAnd remove the packaged version.07:48
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pwuertzDanaG: isn't nvidia-new up to date?07:49
frostburnusually no07:49
frostburni also just grab the latest off nvidia's site07:49
Picibronson: I'd check, but launchpad isnt letting me on the git-core page.07:50
amiopici also I have installed radeon ati driver and couldnt start with normal session only with safe mode till I put back the old xorg.conf file then worked07:50
amiopici also another question of the subject how to remove installed ati drivers I want to clean the pc from thtat junk07:50
Piciamio: Is this an upgrade from Feisty?07:51
bronsonPici: isn't letting you on the git-core package?  What does that mean?07:51
amioyes pici07:51
Picibronson: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/git-core07:52
Piciamio: How have you been installing drivers? using the binary packages? envy?07:52
bronsonPici: works for me.    ...?07:53
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Picibronson: I'm using a beta version of launchpad, could be the issue07:53
bronsonah, probably.07:54
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amiopici I did ot install any driver neither before nor now just installed the ubuntu and it worked out well now with this upgrade nothing good works07:55
step1hi just launched 7.10 live and qwerty + 800x600 display is not fun :(07:55
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step1is this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/49827 the right bug to hit ?07:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 49827 in xorg "Available resolutions incompletely set to 1024x768, 800x600, 640x480" [High,Confirmed] 07:57
ReL1K`Matir: starting compiz first doesn't work either btw07:57
yaserafter last upgrade i cant enter Gdm, I get an X error with two warnings of two process that suposedly are running with "setuid"(i dont know what it is) and then it tries to load my /home/user/.profile, wich is a compiz configuration file and finally reports and error and nothing more. Who can help debug this?07:57
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yaserwhere i cant get the text of this errors, now i inter into failsafe session?07:57
yaserwhere i cant get the text of these errors, now i inter into failsafe session?07:58
step1ubotu: but i did not see any mention of the beta07:58
step1should I mention it or is it implicit ?07:58
napkinare chances good that the upgrade from 7.10 beta to 7.10 final will be smooth?07:58
ReL1Khow long is main going to be locked for updates?07:59
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JohnFluxHey all07:59
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step1any human to help me ?08:00
JohnFluxi'm running Gutsy.  I need to fsck my external hard disk.  When I plug in my external hard disk, I get08:00
JohnFluxSep 27 18:54:49  kernel: [  398.924760]  Assertion failure in dx_probe() at fs/ext3/namei.c:384: "dx_get_limit(entries) == dx_root_limit(dir, root->info.info_length)"08:00
JohnFluxSep 27 18:54:49  kernel: [  398.924833]  ------------[ cut here ] ------------08:00
JohnFluxSep 27 18:54:49  kernel: [  398.924836]  kernel BUG at fs/ext3/namei.c:384!08:00
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timucin_kizilayhi !, I've downloaded the kubuntu 7.10 beta iso and when I boot my computer with it, it ask username and password. so, what is that username and password?08:01
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yaserPici,  where can i get the text of these errors, now i enter into failsafe session and how do i know wich are the warning proceses?08:01
JohnFluxtimucin_kizilay: it's a secret08:01
timucin_kizilayI've tried kubuntu with no luck... :(08:02
yasertimucin_kizilay, well in my case the password is telemaco, try and see,:-)08:02
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JohnFluxhow do I turn off automount, just temporarily08:03
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JohnFluxso I can plug in my device :)08:03
timucin_kizilaythe older live cd's did not ask me login, they just show me the desktop, but now it's waiting on the login screen. (yes, it's my laptop and I'm on my desktop pc so I can ask this here)08:03
`Matirdoes anyone know of a good GUI tool for displaying partition free/used/total space?08:03
yasertimucin_kizilay, keep with the older live CD08:04
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yaser`Matir, baobab08:04
yaser`Matir, it is already installed08:04
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`Matiryaser: k, thanks08:04
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timucin_kizilayBu I want to try the beta release. the older version (7.04) is already installed in the hard disk.08:05
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marlunWhen moving files over the network from a windows share it keeps timing out after about 1 minute, is this a bug or do I need to change some configuration?08:06
timucin_kizilayis that an error? I think live cd should go directly to the desktop.08:06
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yasertimucin_kizilay, your sister installed the system?08:07
step1timucin_kizilay: i use the 7.10 live beta it goes right to desktop08:07
`Matirtimucin_kizilay, it probably is... i haven't downloaded it to test yet, but i would suspect it is08:07
`Matirtimucin_kizilay, are you certain it booted the cd?08:07
timucin_kizilayyaser? what are you trying to tell me? if you do not know just shut up...08:07
yasertimucin_kizilay, in that case ask her the password08:08
timucin_kizilayyes, it booted the cd but it's waiting on the login screen and it's not the feisty login screen, it's the new one.08:08
`Matirtimucin_kizilay, try "ubuntu"... that would definitely be the user, not sure about the password... never had a livecd look for a login08:08
timucin_kizilaymaybe it's a problem with my hardware, I have and old asus a2h notebook with sis chipset.08:09
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timucin_kizilayI've tried the ubuntu username but still no desktop. it keeps returning to the desktop.08:09
stdintimucin_kizilay: what liveCD is it? a tribe, daily or beta ?08:09
timucin_kizilayit's beta.08:09
timucin_kizilayI've downloaded it today, about 2 hours ago.08:10
yasertimucin_kizilay, i dont think it has any thing to do with your hardware, more likely with your sister putting some pass during install08:10
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joakim-"Way back in the day (2004), President Bush promised to send people to Mars. NewScientist reported that the cost of the mission was "expected to cost $40 billion to $80 billion". That really seemed like a lot of money. A year earlier, in 2003, Bush sent his country's soldiers into Iraq. It is believed that as of September 27, 2007, the war in Iraq has cost the USA a whopping 454 Billion dollars!"08:10
stdintimucin_kizilay: and you've done all the usual stuff, like verifying the md5sum, burnt at the lowest speed and checked the cd for integrity?08:10
yasertimucin_kizilay, in fact i do know very much about it because it happened to me,:-)08:11
calcjoakim-: you sure its only 454B? that may be the yearly cost08:11
joakim-wrong channel08:11
joakim-its a quote, so no ;)08:11
joakim-i have no idea08:11
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calcok, bbl, lunch08:11
timucin_kizilayyes, I'm not a total noob, I've burned it with 4x speed with k3b and checked the md5 and before booting, I've done a cd check too.08:11
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stdintimucin_kizilay: then it's probably a bug which you should report08:12
timucin_kizilayI think so...08:12
LaibschHow can I set TERM to be vt100 by default for all users instead of xterm?08:13
yasertimucin_kizilay, tried to boot into text mode?(Ctrl-Alt-F1)08:13
timucin_kizilaymaybe I should make a bug report. I think the problem is with the sis graphics chip.08:13
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yasertimucin_kizilay, what about entering into failsafe session from start08:14
timucin_kizilaytext mode is ok, no problem. the problem is with graphics.08:14
yasertimucin_kizilay, in text mode you can login properly?08:15
step1timucin_kizilay: try ubuntu/no password08:15
timucin_kizilayyes, I've tried the ubuntu user with no password but it tries to load kde and returns back to login screen.08:15
timucin_kizilayyes, I can login with text mode.08:16
yasertimucin_kizilay, are you really really sure your sister wasnt around during install?:-)08:16
step1timucin_kizilay: are you talking about the last 7.10 beta live iso ?08:16
timucin_kizilayyes, I'm talking about the latest 7.10 beta live iso.08:17
yasertimucin_kizilay, well if you can login properly with text mode and not with graphics then its surely a bug, a rare one but..08:17
timucin_kizilayyaser, there is no one near my computers now.08:17
step1timucin_kizilay: i didn't get this problem08:17
step1and ubuntu/no pass worked when I relaunched X08:18
yasertimucin_kizilay, step1 me either, i use Gnome but anyway08:18
timucin_kizilayI'm using this laptop since 6.06 and it was running ok with some tweaking and it's running 7.04 without problems.08:18
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timucin_kizilayok, thank you... I'll try to install the server version and manualy install the kde-desktop, maybe that will work better for me.08:21
stdintimucin_kizilay: if you want to install use the alternate cd, or just upgrade from feisty08:22
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timucin_kizilayI'll upgrade from feisty when the release version comes out, I was just trying to test it now.08:23
timucin_kizilayI do not want to install a beta version on my working system so I just wanted to try the live cd.08:23
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ReL1KAnyone know when I extend my monitor to dual head and run compiz, the entire background goes white, the cube, everything else works find except my desktop is completely gone08:26
ReL1Kim using the gm96508:26
timucin_kizilayI think the problem is with the cd drive, I've done the cd test on the boot screen and the firt time it passed and now I tried again and it failed and now I'm trying the cd test for the third time and it's nearly finished without error so the drive is going crazy.08:26
ReL1Kand have to run SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace to get it to run right08:26
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soothsayerMy sound system locks up intermittently. Anybody have any troubleshooting pointers (not !sound).08:28
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ReL1Kany ideas?08:30
tezemI just upgraded to Gutsy from Feisty and my xorg.conf was overritten somehow even if I wasnt asked. Is it somehow possible to get it back again somehow08:30
soothsayerCheck /etc/X11/ for backup files08:31
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tezemsoothsayer: yes there are loads of them but none of them seems to be my old one08:31
soothsayertezem: Sorry I don't know then08:31
soothsayertezem: (Had a similar problem yesterday)08:32
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tezemThis should be fixed. Now I am typing on a system with tiny fonts with the wrong keymap and without a working mouse wheel08:33
Picitezem: Have you checked launchpad or filed a bug for it?08:33
tezemnot yet first I will have to fix my system afterwards I may check08:34
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Jork_helo folks08:35
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Jork_how works latest gutsy beta?08:36
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riotkittieit works. but again, it's a beta, and there are likely to be issues08:37
=== Pici just hopes that people log bugs instead of assuming issues will be fixed
riotkittiePici: i'm kind of worried about that, myself08:38
Jork_thnx <riotkittie>08:38
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soothsayerSometimes filing meaningful bug reports is not easy.08:38
PiciBut its better than not filing them at all.08:38
PiciSome people just come here, complain, and then think that they did their part.08:38
PiciThe fact of the matter is that most of the devs are either not in this channel or not paying attention to it.08:39
riotkittiei wonder if i should file a bug report about my wireless :x08:39
ReL1Kim postin right now on the compiz issue on intel08:39
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ReL1Kand dual heads08:39
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rathelI filed a bug.. lol but in the wrong section would it be wrong of me to file another one in the right section this time?08:41
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unggnurathel, section?08:47
unggnurathel, just change package08:47
soothsayerAnybody know the command that produces a test sound for alsa?08:47
soothsayerNevemind, 'speaker-test'08:48
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map_hi. I'm trying out the new beta atm, and I can't find how to set the number of workspaces. where has that option been hidden?08:53
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frostburnanyone know if openvpn nm resolv.conf has been fixed in gutsy?08:55
Picimap_: If you have enabled desktop effects then it is in those config settings.08:55
Picifrostburn: Do you know a bug #?08:55
frostburnlet me see08:56
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PiciBug #9626008:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 96260 in network-manager-openvpn "n-m-openvpn: resolv.conf is erased if endpoint does not push DNS servers" [Low,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9626008:57
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muszekI just booted beta live cd on my dell inspiron 1720 (pretty much the same hardware as Ubuntu-based 1420N) and the sound card is not detected at all... is this problem known?  I can't find anything on launchpad.08:57
Piciubotu: thanks08:57
ubotuYou're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-)08:57
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frostburntriaged means there's a hack?08:57
slasherhey, how can i keep apt from updating certain packages?08:57
Reabyanybody know how to disable blinkin -0:00:00 text in kaffeine when watching digital tv ?08:58
soothsayerfrostburn:  triage: sorting and allocating aid on the basis of need08:58
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soothsayerslasher: You can use a hold or use apt-pinning08:58
map_Pici, desktop effects were enabled by default, and I can't find the option in either preferences->appearance nor preferences->window.08:58
Picifrostburn: I'm not sure, and theres no way for me to test.08:58
tallmanI just downloaded using jigdo from a local mirrror almost all the image of ubuntu-7.10-alternate-beta-i38608:58
soothsayerslasher: What is the time-frame you want to not upgrade the package for? (temporary or long-term?)08:58
tallmanthe where 2 files I couldn't get from even the official mirror08:58
Picimap_: How about preferences->appearance> and then the effects tab, I think theres a config button on there.08:58
riotkittiemap_: it's on one of the appearance tabs. do you have tabs there?08:59
tallmanthe where 2 files I couldn't get from even the official mirror08:59
tallmanso I decided to download the rest using .torrent08:59
tallmanand it "successfully" dowloaded the missing chunks08:59
slasheruntill deskbar-applet stops using the rediculous window layout they came up with, so i'm guessing long term08:59
riotkittieit took me forever to find it08:59
tallmanbut the md5sums don't correspond :(08:59
savvasIf i had ubuntu gutsy tribe 5, and upgraded, did it get automatically the beta?08:59
map_Pici, nope, the visual effects tab only has a selection of "none", "normal" and "extra"08:59
Pici!final | savvas08:59
ubotusavvas: If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.08:59
Picimap_: Install compizconfig-settings-manager.09:00
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savvasaye, thanks Pici09:00
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map_Pici, ok, definately a usability bug then :)09:00
Picimap_: I agree.09:00
savvasThe following packages have unmet dependencies: sun-java6-bin: Depends: sun-java6-jre (= 6-03-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed09:00
Pici!info sun-java6-jre09:01
ubotusun-java6-jre: Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 6 (architecture independent files). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 6-02-1ubuntu3 (gutsy), package size 6178 kB, installed size 14164 kB09:01
savvasyeah i know i know09:01
tallmanDCCso, the official torrnent file at official ubuntu mirror for gutsy beta must be wrong09:02
Picitallman: why do you say that?09:02
slashersoothsayer: I'm thinking the package isn't gonna be updated long term, how would i do that?09:03
map_oh, nice, unionfs just crashed. dmesg says: kernel BUG at /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-2.6.22/debian/build/build-generic/fs/unionfs/inode.c:1057. anyone else had this?09:03
savvasPici: so the new sun-java6-jre wasn't added in the repos, right?09:03
soothsayerslasher: http://dpaste.com/20834/09:03
tallmanPici: because I checked the md5sum09:03
soothsayerslasher: Also see 'man apt_preferences'09:03
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soothsayerslasher: ^ That goes in /etc/apt/preferences09:03
Picitallman: Didn't you say that you started the http iso download and finished with the torrent?09:03
tallmanPici: for the alternate version09:03
Picimap_: I saw something in the release notes about unionfs, did you look at that?09:04
slashersoothsayer: thank you09:04
Picitallman: And we're talking about the md5 of that, right?09:04
tallmanPici: no, I downloaded the rest using torrent protocol09:04
tallmanso now it is seeding09:04
Picitallman: Sometimes downloads are just corrupt, it doesnt mean that the file on the server is corrupt.  We would have had a lot more people come in here talking about it.09:05
tallmanhm..the Ktorrent did the hash check09:05
tallmanagainst the .torrent file09:05
tallmanhow can it be corrupt?09:06
Picitallman: the .torrent file doesnt matter, its the ISO that you need to check the md5 against.09:06
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soothsayerslasher: Actually, you should probably put 'version' as the version you want, and Pin-Priority: 1500 (or anything above 1000). The one I posted would have prevented a specific set of versions from being installed. This way you force a specific version to be installed (ignoring upgrades)09:07
tallmanPici: it matters...it checks for corrupt chunks09:08
tallmanand downloads the mising ones09:08
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Picitallman: You said it yourself that the it failed the md5 check. I'm not sure what we are discussing now.09:09
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map_Pici, found it. it's bug #144043. hope it gets fixed :/09:09
ubotuLaunchpad bug 144043 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "kernel BUG at /build/buildd/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-2.6.22/debian/build/build-generic/fs/unionfs/inode.c:1057!" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14404309:09
map_yeah, that one :)09:10
Picimap_: Good to see its been logged.09:10
tallmanPici: sorry, I think you didn't fully understand me..09:10
Picitallman: Yeah. I'm not sure I did, sorry.09:10
kyjaI try to install gutsy on my hp zd8000. seems there is lack of cpu scailing or something becuase it over clocks in middle of installer and shuts me down like the plug was pulled.09:10
map_another question: when I activate windows using the mouse, they sort of "blink" or change transparency very quickly, and I find it quite annoying. is this a bug or a feature?09:12
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baastruphey there, im having problems with my nvidia gefroce 3 ti 500, wont load the prob,  drivers09:16
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DShepherdanyone have a two "Document" entries in the Places menu? what's causing that?09:17
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CountXmy sound dont work in games:(09:17
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FishyHow unstable is the latest beta? Any major problems?09:18
CountXFishy, what do you consider unstable?09:18
kyjaCountX, check pcm volume. with gnome-volume-control09:18
BigBambi Hi all, I have a probably simple and definitely stupid problem :(  I minimized an app (xchat) to system tray then accidentally removed the icon from the system tray, so now when I minimize xchat it disappears.  Any ideas on how I get the minimized icon on the system tray back?  (Ubuntu Gutsy).09:18
FishyCountx; I do not run a nuclear plant or plan to use my computer for a trip to Mars09:19
ReL1KFishy: , i got it, isn't bad09:19
CountXFishy, i do09:19
bking93Fishy: Its more stable than Gentoo ever was, though that's not saying a whole lot.09:19
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CountXkyja, nvm my sound isnt working at all right now, and PCM is all the way up09:19
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FishyOk, so no kernel panics or major issues for any of you guys?09:20
map_Fishy, I got the live cd to crash in under 30 minutes :/09:20
Fishysamba, ssh, vnc all ok?09:20
CountXFishy, i dont use any of those09:21
Fishymap_: Ok I am considering an upgrade from kubuntu edgy. You guys probably get this "how stable is it" question every time a beta is released I suppose :)09:22
CountXFishy, if i were u i wouldnt "upgrade" just make a new partition09:22
FishyBut betas in the linux-world tend to be relatively stable.09:22
FishyCountx: hehe, the available space on my harddrive doesn't allow me to do such crazy things.09:23
bking93Fishy: I've been running it for ~2 months (I think).  No kernel panics, though apparmor kills things for me at present and networkmanager got b0rked a couple of times.09:23
CountXFishy, i upgraded from feisty and it poopes09:23
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Fishybking93: And the consequences of the network manager bogus was that your connection did not work?09:24
bking93Yep.  Wireless, anyways.09:24
DShepherdanyone have two "Document" entries in the Places menu? what's causing that?09:24
bking93But it was usually fixed within a day.09:24
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CountXFishy, my wireless works, and it didnt work in feisty09:24
CountXbcm3412 card09:25
bking93CountX:  Mine didn't, either.  ipw496509:25
Fishyhmm, I think I will try an upgrade (and will not blame you guys when or if I run into problems) :b09:25
bking93(or now its iwl4965)09:25
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DShepherdthat's with the beta live cd ... ^09:25
FishyCountx: I got a fairly standard onboard ethernet-card so that will not be an issue09:25
kaminixI have a problem with Gutsy. Just one actually. There's no scim-skim package available, how do I get Japanese typing in KDE? :p09:25
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map_DShepherd, yes09:26
CountXkaminix, use gnome09:26
FishyAs long as samba and ssh works I will be fine really. Guess the standard gpl-utils are rock solid even in a beta.09:26
kaminixCountX: Oh noes, I like my KDE <309:27
DShepherdmap_, know why that is happening?09:27
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Fishythanks for the info guys09:27
atlfalcons866how can install gusty beta09:27
CountXkaminix, and i like sound, but i dont have it :(09:27
CountXcome on ubotu09:28
ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+109:28
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about 7.10 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi09:28
mikiBigBambi: try https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/user-guide/C/panel-default.html09:28
ubotuIt is spelt "FEIsty" :)09:28
bking93CountX:  hda_intel?09:28
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ubotudapper is the 4th release of Ubuntu.  Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake".09:28
ubotuPlease investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...09:28
CountXatlfalcons866, :P09:28
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BigBambimiki: Thanks, will take a look09:28
map_DShepherd, fixed yesterday apparently. see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xdg-user-dirs-gtk/+bug/12260209:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 122602 in xdg-user-dirs-gtk "Duplicated entries in Places Menu" [Medium,Fix committed] 09:28
atlfalcons866is it possible to upgrade to gusty right now09:29
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DShepherdmap_, kool thanks09:29
romhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/145743 double bug for me with gutsy beta : desktop & alternate09:29
ubotuLaunchpad bug 145743 in ubuntu "kubuntu 7.10 beta desktop cd freeze at 87%" [Undecided,New] 09:29
bking93atlfalcons866:  Sure.  Just change your sources.list and "apt-get dist-upgrade"09:29
CountXatlfalcons866, download the cd, and make a new partition for it09:29
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atlfalcons866i cant resize my partitions cuz i use JFS09:29
atlfalcons866and i dont have a cd burner09:30
savvasatlfalcons866: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades09:30
slasherdoes anyone else here have a problem getting gutsy to go into standby when running fglrx 8.41?09:30
CountXatlfalcons866, what  type of computer are you running!09:30
CountXslackern, my computer never did "standyby" in any distro of linux09:31
CountXslackern, something about the bios09:31
atlfalcons866p3 933Mhz it was a bisness machine i got a slim one with no cd burner09:31
savvasslackern: the stable is a bit further the keyobard :p09:32
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DBOI am having a problem where the upgrade tool is reporting a package is not trusted09:32
DBOI don't really know what to do...09:32
slasherCountX: I had standby working with fglrx 8.41 and feisty's 2.6.20 kernel but gutsy never wanted to do it09:32
savvasDBO: which package09:32
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DBO2007-09-27 15:29:56,724 ERROR pre-requists item 'http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/r/release-upgrader-dpkg/release-upgrader-dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu11.2_i386.udeb' is NOT trusted09:32
slasherCountX: standby even works if i run the vesa driver09:33
savvasDBO: you added new repository links and it complained because you haven't added their apt key09:33
CountXslasher, im on an hp laptop and it never worked for me09:33
slasherdamn, i really hope 8.42 fixes that09:34
DBOsavvas, where can i get it?09:34
savvasDBO: it should be .deb, not .udeb09:34
BigBambimiki: Thanks very much, that page pointed me in the right direction.  All fixed now09:34
savvasunless I'm wrong09:34
ConstyXIVwhat ports does gnome-btdownload use?09:34
savvasDBO: did you play with the sources.list file?09:35
DBOno but I been getting the unauthenticated errors since my upgrade to feisty09:35
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mikiBigBambi: i am happy for you09:36
DBOits using the us servers now, before I was using straight archive.ubuntu.com09:36
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atlfalcons866when will gusty be stable09:37
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ConstyXIVatlfalcons866: late october09:37
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atlfalcons866what kernel is gusty using09:37
muszekis there any way to "restart the sound"?  my sound card isn't working and I did what https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallingUbuntuOnADellXPSM1330 says... only I can't reboot (it's a livecd and I don't want to install it)09:37
ConstyXIVatlfalcons866: if you run "uname -r" on any linux, it'll tell you the kernel version09:38
CountX!info kernel09:38
ubotuPackage kernel does not exist in gutsy09:38
CountX!info linux09:38
ubotulinux: Generic complete Linux kernel.. In component restricted, is optional. Version (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB09:38
CountXthank you09:38
CountXi still you could tell me how to get halo running09:39
atlfalcons866i am using gustys kernel now09:39
muszeksomeone please tell me how to restart audio...09:39
atlfalcons866fiestys kernel is too big09:39
bking93muszek:  /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart09:39
bking93I think09:40
muszekbking93: thanks09:40
ReL1Kwhen i run compiz on a dual head expanded desktop, i get a "Comparing resolution (2560x1024) to maximum 3D Texture Size (2048): Failed.09:40
CountXmuszek, i just restarted and my sound came back09:40
ReL1Kany idea how to fix that?09:40
ReL1Kalso get /usr/bin/compiz.real (video) - Warn: No 8 bit GLX pixmap format, disabling YV12 image format09:40
CountXReL1K, your card doesnt support textures over 204809:40
ReL1Kmy desktop goes completely white09:40
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kaminixHow do I get Japanese input working on gutsy? (KDE,"but I think it's same as Gnome)09:40
CountXReaby, turn desktop effects off09:40
CountXReL1K, *09:40
ReL1KCountX, how do i decrease my textures then?09:40
ReabyCountX: :)09:40
CountXReaby, lol09:41
CountXsorry Reaby09:41
muszek warning: 'alsactl store' failed with error message 'alsactl: save_state:1253: No soundcards found...'...09:41
ReabyReL1K: buy newer 3d card.09:41
ReL1KReaby: kinda hard to do when i have the latest intel video card09:41
CountXReL1K, or just turn desktop effects completely off09:41
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ReL1KCountX, its not true persay, its only in extended desktop, works completely fine if i just clone the mons and don't extend09:41
CountXReaby, yeah but when you have both on it trying to turn your windows into textures and they are too big09:42
CountXand rotate cube, thats one big texture09:42
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CountXit has to turn the screens into a videogame and make everything 3d accelerated, but your screens combined are too big09:43
muszekbking93, CountX: any way to try to detect audio device again?09:43
baastruphey there, i got compiz up and running but my windows borders are gone!09:43
CountXmuszek, i unno09:43
ReL1KCountX: gotchya, any idea on how to get around it?09:43
DBObaastrup, gtk-window-decorator --replace &09:43
bking93muszek:  What sound card?09:43
muszekbking: one sec09:43
baastrupDBO at every reboot?09:43
DBOadd it to your session baastrup09:44
CountXReL1K, if turning desktop effects off doesnt help, then maybe try and turn your desktop resolution down, are you using LCD or CRT?09:44
muszekbking93: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)09:44
muszekbking93: it's Dell 1720 (a bigger sibling of Ubuntu-based 1420N)09:44
baastrupDBO, this is a bad bug hehe09:44
ReL1KCountX, wanted to get compiz to work with the extended, if i turn compiz off, it works fine in extended09:44
ReL1Kusing a LCD09:45
ReL1Kone VGA one DVI09:45
baastrupDBO, do you think everyone has it?09:45
bking93muszek:  Sorry, probably won't work.  I have the same issue.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/13113309:45
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131133 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[gutsy]  no sound on Dell Latitude D630/D830/Precision M4300/Vostro 1500/1700 pci id 8086:284b" [Medium,Triaged] 09:45
CountXReL1K, well there ya go, i think thats your problem, the card doesnt support those accelerated gfx09:45
CountXReL1K, at those high resolutions09:45
therethinkerIs the background grainy for anyone else?09:45
muszekbking93: ok, I give up then :).  thanks for your help.09:45
ReL1KCountX: gotchya09:46
DBOsavvas, I really cant seem to figure out how to add that key... i thought it should have it09:46
ReL1Kcan i just turn my res down?09:46
CountXReL1K, what res are you at?09:46
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ReL1K1280x1024, but my xorg is a bit different on the Virtual setting, its set to 2560 102409:47
ReL1Ksecodnly, if i run compiz --replace normally, i get a blacklisted PCIID, have to run skip checks09:47
ReL1Kmight be because my card is so new *shrug*09:47
CountXyour said its an intel card?09:48
savvasDBO: if you edited any repositories in sources.list.. well it should be mentioned on the website of the repository, otherwise, I wouldn't trust it :)09:48
ReL1KIntel GM96509:48
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romwhen is the next beta version of gutsy?09:48
savvasmuszek: 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 02)09:48
savvasmine works09:48
savvasrom: there's only one beta version09:49
rombut it doesn't work09:49
romI have to redownload tribes 509:49
muszeksavvas: have you done anything to it?09:49
CountXReL1K, http://www.intel.com/products/chipsets/GM965/index.htm that it?09:49
savvasmuszek: well.. the only thing I did was to go to gnome-volume-control and file > change device09:50
muszeksavvas: and are you on gutsy?  it's working almost fine (external mic doesn't) on feisty09:50
romwhat's your pb savvas?09:50
romyour laptop BEEEEEEPSSSSS?09:50
savvasmuszek: working on feitsy and gutsy09:50
ReL1Kthats it CountX09:50
romwhen you starts on gutsy?09:50
savvasrom: yes09:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 145743 in ubuntu "kubuntu 7.10 beta desktop cd freeze at 87%" [Undecided,New] 09:50
romI have the same09:50
rom(hmmm, not this bug, but the link in this bug)09:50
savvasI'm on a desktop btw :)09:50
CountXReL1K, i dont see how much ram it has on that page, or its maximum texture size....09:50
ubotuLaunchpad bug 145707 in ubuntu "Kubuntu gutsy beta BEEEEEEEPS when I login, and crashes" [Undecided,New] 09:51
muszeksavvas: No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. (when I try to open gnome-volume-control)09:51
CountXrom, mine beeps too when it gets to the login screen, i dont think much of it though...09:51
savvasrom: wait, it doesn't beep continuously, it beeps once09:51
romarf :(09:51
romme, it beeps until I reboot09:52
romand freeze after about 10 seconds09:52
romcontinuing beeping09:52
`Matirrom: is it from the speakers or the case speaker?09:52
CountXrom, try ubuntu09:52
ReL1KCountX: couldn't tell ya, if they are blacklisting it there must be some known issues09:52
romthe speakers of the laptop09:52
savvasmuszek: sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-gl gstreamer0.10-plugins-base gstreamer0.10-plugins-good gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse09:52
CountXReL1K, gotta do some research before you get a laptop for linux09:52
ReL1KCountX, was working fine before updates09:53
CountXReL1K, mine has a geforce 7600 in it09:53
savvasmuszek: also try: sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base09:53
ReL1Kand intel has a dedicated staff for open source drivers now09:53
ReL1Kfigured it would be a hit09:53
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savvasheh, and to think yesterday this channel had 40-50 users :)09:56
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DShepherdgutsy beta is not bad at all.. well so far. Some of the icons in the menu needs still need some tango love though :-)09:57
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savvasDShepherd: we'll put you in charge of that09:58
DShepherdsavvas, ok.. you savvas get to work!!09:58
tezemI just installed gutsy and wonder where I find the changes to the 3D effects. It seems very equal to the feisty stuff. And I don't know why I don't have the config program for compiz.09:58
DShepherdsavvas, :-)09:58
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savvasmuszek: are you using a laptop? Because I have a desktop, MSI P965 Neo2 motherboard09:59
`Matirtezem: for one reason or another, the compiz control center is not installed by default09:59
muszeksavvas: laptop.  dell inspiron 172009:59
ReL1KCountX, fixed.09:59
ReL1Kchanged the verbose "Failed.\n" return 1; to return 010:00
ReL1Kfor the passed10:00
CountXReL1K, all i want to do is play games :(10:00
karelwill the gui xorg config work with *any* graphics card? (namely ati x1400)10:00
ReL1Kworks fine now.10:00
ReL1Kin the compiz config10:00
ReL1Knot bad for a hack10:00
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muszeksavvas: I'm not alone: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/13113310:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131133 in linux-source-2.6.22 "[gutsy]  no sound on Dell Latitude D630/D830/Precision M4300/Vostro 1500/1700 pci id 8086:284b" [Medium,Triaged] 10:00
ReL1Kblah, still gives a white background10:00
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CountXReL1K, but people keep saying my nam ein xchat so i have to look and see if its important10:00
muszeksavvas: installed all those gstreamer packages... what now?10:01
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savvasmuszek: also try: sudo apt-get install --reinstall alsa-base10:06
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CountXok, sudo rm -d /folder isnt letting me delete a folder10:06
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muszeksavvas: did that already.  anyway, I think I'll stop wasting your time and just wait for final.10:07
savvasmuszek: let's just hope it will be fixed, because I waited a whole 6 months for the next release for the ATA marvell chip to be detected10:09
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gleblancAnybody know how to adjust the size of the scroll region on a trackpad?10:10
kbrookshow to upgrade to gutsy10:10
savvaskbrooks: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades10:11
CountXevery time i start up a terminal it closes10:12
savvasCountX: try ctrl-alt-F1, and ctrl-alt-F7 to go back10:12
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muszeksavvas: I think I would skip Gutsy... I can't live without music :)10:14
kbrooksmuszek, i can :)10:14
muszekkbrooks: then we should trade laptops :)10:15
kbrooksmuszek, how did u know i have a lappy? :)10:15
savvasmagic :p10:15
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saeedhi all10:16
saeedhow's the beta version?10:16
muszekkbrooks: turn around :)10:16
saeedand why a DVD?10:16
saeedwhy not just a CD?10:16
savvassaeed: what dvd? http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta#head-09942533e683a9d0224069978a37043a4957227410:17
saeedgutsy gibbon10:17
saeedit came out on dvd10:18
savvaschoose a country closest to you on the link i posted above10:18
saeedI am used to CDs fro ubuntu10:18
savvasthey are cds10:18
ReL1Kanyone have any idea why i cant make my screen  resolution 2048 and have to make it 2560? when i use xrandr it says cannot be larger than 2048x1024 (desired size 2560x102410:18
saeedit's usually just one CD10:18
savvassaeed: and stop using cdimage.ubuntu.com :P10:18
therethinkerOh, I love how the GRUB doesn't go to the list by default, I think that will greatly improve how people feel about linux10:19
kbrookstherethinker, it wasnt done in gutsy10:19
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therethinkerthen... why did it not do that when I booted it>10:19
savvassaeed: try this: http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/ - it's one cd for each type of computer10:19
saeedis it really that unstable?10:19
saeedsomeone in ubuntu just mentioned the fact it's VERY unstable10:20
kbrookstherethinker, to rephrase, i mewan that it was not changed in gutsy. it waas changed in an earlier version.10:20
kbrookssaeed, no.10:20
saeeddo they even know what they'r talking about in ubuntu?10:20
savvasnot so unstable10:20
kbrookssaeed, it depends on a lot of variables.10:20
savvassaeed: on mine everything works peach so far :)10:20
saeedexplain please10:20
therethinkerkbrooks: huh, didn't do that for me in fiesty...10:21
saeeddoes compix fusion work out of the box?10:21
savvasnever tried it10:21
kbrookssaeed, kind of processor, kind of monitor, video card, etc.10:21
savvassaeed: the only problem i faced in amd64 is the flash and java plugins10:21
saeedsomeone said that the novelty in gutsy gibbon is that compiz-fusion works out of the box10:21
kbrookssaeed, um10:22
muszekI'm trying to compile alsa... getting this error: "configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables".  (it's livecd, so pretty much nothing is installed beyond base stuff)10:22
saeedis it true?10:22
kbrookssaeed, yes, but it falls back to a regular desktop.10:22
savvasDesktop 3D effects10:22
savvasCompiz Fusion is enabled by default and will bring 3D desktop visual effects that improve the usability and visual appeal of the system. Ubuntu 7.10 automatically detects whether the hardware is capable of running compiz; if not, it falls back to normal desktop. Additional effects can be enabled in "System/Preferences/Appearance" under the "Visual Effects" tab. There you can also disable the effects entirely.10:22
saeedwhat do u mean?10:22
kbrookssaeed, if the driver doesnt work with it.10:22
savvashttp://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta read on10:22
saeedi have an intel 915 graphics card10:22
saeedwill compiz-fusion work out of the box for me?10:23
kbrookssaeed, there are just too many objective and subjective variables to ever believe a blanket statement that ubuntu, by itself, comprising a OS of various programs, is unstable.10:23
saeedwill CF work for my laptop?10:23
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savvassaeed: try it10:23
saeedI have an intel 915 graphics card10:23
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saeedthere are no proprietary drivers for intel video cards10:24
baastrupcompiz gives me this:  Warn: No GLXFBConfig for depth 3210:24
saeedam I right?10:24
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kbrooksbaastrup, warning10:24
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kbrooksbaastrup, not error10:24
savvassaeed: I've just enabled the visual effects, works great :)10:24
savvasmsi nvidia nx7300gt10:25
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kbrooksbaastrup, and i suggest you look into a different graphical driver for your vid card and/or change the depth of your display in /etc/X11/xorg.conf. what's your video card, maybe i can help.10:26
kbrooksbaastrup, if you don't know yet, go into your terminal and type lspci > ~/Desktop/lspci.txt and press enter. then pastebin lspci.txt from your Desktop.10:28
tezemWhere do I have to set the number of virtual workspaces in gnome. I don't find it anymore. :)10:28
minimectezem: right click on the workspace-switcher-applet10:29
tezemminimec: that was my idea before too but setting 4 workspaces doesn't work10:30
minimectezem: Your on compiz ;) You have to set them in the compiz configuration manager in the general settings.10:31
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tezemminimec: and there is the strange thing. I set it and it seems I still have only one workspace or I did something wrong. Therefore I thought I have to set it in gnome.10:32
gleblancOK, so, not only does my main hard drive not show up10:32
gleblancbut I also can't boot to windows anymore10:32
gleblancHow do I go about changing to boot loader to boot from the correct partition?10:33
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minimectezem: I had the same problem. generel settings '1 Desktop'; '4 Workspaces'. I can't tell you exactly because I am on a feisty machine here.10:35
hendrixskiso, I understand that gutsy is going to have better support for dual monitor displays?10:35
ReL1KI'm using the Intel GM965 on Gutsy latest, if i run xrandr --output VGA --right-of TMDS-1, it extends my desktop to 2560x1024 for dual heads. If I run compiz, it tells me "Comparing resolution (2560x1024) to Maximum 3D texture size (2048): Failed. If I run it without the extended it works fine. Is this because of a limitation in my intel card or a driver issue? If I change the failed = 1 to...10:36
ReL1K...failed = 0 (which is pass) everything works fine except my entire desktop background goes white. Does this mean my card doesn't support 2560 resolution for 3d rendering?10:36
hendrixskiwill that work on laptops trying to set up dual monitor displays as well?10:36
ReL1KI know the Intel GM965 is currently blacklisted10:36
savvashendrixski: we surely hope so, the "screens and graphics" looks promising10:36
ReL1KThe Intel GM965 is very new, just came out...10:37
hendrixskisavvas, oh man, I'm looking forward to that 'cause I just tried setting up xinerama on feisty, so that my laptop can dual display... and I wanted to shoot myself10:37
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tezemminimec: General - Desktop Size - Number of Desktops 1 - VIrtual Size n?10:37
hendrixskisavvas, that isn't being backported to feisty is it?10:37
lerolerooh the joy of using ubuntu+110:38
savvashendrixski: the screens and graphics thingy? no idea10:38
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saeedhi again10:38
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minimectezem: That's it. + virtual Destop and then 4 workspaces.10:38
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saeedwhere can I download the beta version of gutsy?10:38
ubotuGoogle is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux10:38
savvashendrixski: try search for it on http://packages.ubuntu.com :)10:38
saeedall i was able to find was a DVD10:38
saeedI just want one CD10:39
savvassaeed: you again?10:39
saeednot a whole DVD10:39
saeedI got disconnected10:39
saeedand lost my downloads10:39
savvassaeed: unless you're suffering from alzheimer's.. I've already answered10:39
saeedplease, all I need is a link10:39
leroleroanyone here using evolution and search folders ?10:39
`Matirxrandr is awesome for dual-head10:39
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gleblancCan ubuntu normally read NTFS filesystems?10:40
jens_ hello; I have a problem with the 7.10 beta when running it in vmware; It seems like I can't change the screen resolution. When I click aply I get a screen asking for confirmation; but nothing changes10:40
saeedthe download is soooo slow10:40
jsomersit should be able to by default yes10:40
ReL1K`Matir: any clue on my idea? :P you got me through my first hump hehe.10:40
ReL1Kurr my problem10:40
jens_ as wel as in preferences;screen resolution as in administration; screens and graphics10:40
ReL1Kim guessing its a driver issue10:40
savvasjens_: you click the "keep resolution"10:40
jsomersgleblanc: for writing it might be advised to install ntfs-3g, but reading should be possible by default10:41
jens_I did that10:41
jens_it didn't even change10:41
saeedanybody ever tried mint linux?10:41
saeedhow's it different from ubuntu?10:41
gleblancjsomers: so, I just installd gparted, and it says that it's unable to read this partition10:41
gleblancjsomers: is that bad?10:41
osmosisi installed gutsy server beta...and for some reason my eth devices are  eth2 and eth3, rather then eth0 and eth1 ...but /etc/network/interfaces was set for eth0, so no interfaces loaded at boot.10:41
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osmosisI can't find the xen server packages on amd6410:42
leroleroanyone here using evolution and search folders ?10:42
lerolerocan't find the labels while creating a new search folder.10:43
lerolero(assigning labels work just fine...)10:43
ReL1KCountX, found some stats on the GM965, it supports 2048x1536, however says it only supports 256010:43
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baastrupHe im getting the following Warn: No GLXFBConfig for depth 3210:44
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khermans_anyone else see 2 printer menus in System -> Administration in gutsy?10:45
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lerolerokhermans_: just one here.10:45
StutterguardI'm running gutsy and when my machine boots it is only able to mount the root (/) LVM volume10:45
khermans_lerolero, latest updates?10:45
lerolerokhermans_: yeap.10:46
Stutterguardfor others, I must run vgscan --mknodes10:46
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baastrupIm missing the windows borders when using compiz. and I get this error Warn: No GLXFBConfig for depth 32, Error: Couldn't create cairo context for switcher10:46
hetaumahow do I enable compiz fusion on gutsy?10:46
khermans_lerolero, when you mose over it, does it say "configure printers" or "configure your printers" ?  i have both10:46
lerolerokhermans_: actually, it says 'Printing'10:47
jens_ok; so my resolution only changes after I restart X10:47
khermans_lerolero, yes that is the item name, but when you mouse over it ?10:47
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minimecbaastrup: change your default depth to 24 in /etc/xorg.conf. That should do.10:48
khermans_lerolero, what pops up when you hold your mouse over it?10:48
baastrupminimec, can I do that in x with gui10:48
lerolerokhermans_: uhmmm.. nothing, actually.10:49
khermans_lerolero, it should say something10:49
leroleroyea, im missing my icons too.10:49
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khermans_lerolero, mouse over other items in the list10:49
khermans_something is broked...10:49
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minimecbaastrup: <ctrl>F2 gksudo gedit /etc/xorg.conf. You have to restart gdm afterwards.10:50
baastrupminimec, hmm its allready 2410:50
minimecbaastrup: oups... If you set it to 32 ;) Just a try...10:51
baastrupminimec, I will try, but normal users should be able to do this from a gui10:51
minimecbaastrup: Welcome to a newer world. You have to redifine 'normal' ;)10:52
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hetaumahow do u enable compiz-fusion in gutsy?10:54
ReL1Kanyone wondering about the problem im going through its fixed10:54
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ReL1Kmoved my resolution down to 1024 through xrandr10:54
ReL1Kthen enabled ocmpiz10:54
savvashetauma: "System/Preferences/Appearance" under the "Visual Effects" tab10:54
ReL1Kso xrandr --output TMDS-1 --mode 1024x768 --output VGA --mode 1024-76810:55
ReL1Kxrandr --output VGA --right-of TMDS-110:55
savvashetauma: also: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager10:55
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ReL1Kthen SKIP_CHECKS=yes compiz --replace10:55
savvashetauma: you'll find the manager in control center10:55
hetaumathanx savvas10:56
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`MatirReL1K, yeah, then it fits in the magic 2048*2048 Intel framebuffer10:59
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leroleroanyone here using evolution and search folders ?11:01
ReL1Kresolution looks really shitty unfortantely :)11:01
lerolerocan't find the labels while creating a new search folder.11:01
lerolero(assigning labels work just fine...)11:01
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ReL1K`Matir, is that a limitation of my card or the drivers?11:01
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tezemanybody who has working fullscreen video display in gutsy with compiz enabled in totem?11:02
joeaminedafter an upgrade from feisty to gutsy, system sounds don't work for me anymore. How to fix it ?11:03
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`MatirReL1K, to be honest, I'm not sure, but I suspect card... 2048*2048*32 bit color works out to be 128MB, which (I believe) is the maximum video memory an intel card can use.11:05
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Marcofor some reason11:05
Marcogutsy is only detecting one of my four cores11:05
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Marcoit was working fine last week11:06
ReL1Kwoould make sense11:06
lerolerohate the totem. I unistall it everytime.11:07
leroleromplayer works here just fine.11:07
hetaumaI'm trying to set up compiz to have 4 workspaces so it would be a cube. installed ccsm and enabled desktop cube and rotate cube. now under General options I set horizontal virtual size to 4 and I get 3 workspaces then I set it to 5 and I get 4. is this a bug? shouls I report it ? how?11:07
`MatirReL1K, let me see if i can find details11:07
ReL1K`Matir: would be much appreciated im guessing thats it, if i do 1280x1024 it hoses11:09
`MatirReL1K, look in your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and see if there's a line that says something like "not enough video memory"11:09
osmosisany admins who can change the status of this bug to confirmed?  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen-meta/+bug/12053611:09
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120536 in xen-meta "[feature req]  Can someone generate a ununtu-xen-server-amd64 package?" [Wishlist,Fix released] 11:09
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ReL1Knada matir11:10
ReL1Ki do get a lot of11:10
ReL1K"height too large for virtual size"11:10
`Matirdoes glxinfo still show direct rendering being on?11:11
`MatirReL1K, according to intellinuxgraphics.org: # There is a known issue that DRI doesn't work on pre-965 if maximum is larger than 2048x2048.11:11
`Matirwhich graphics do you have?11:11
ReL1Ki mean its really strange11:14
ReL1Keverything works completely fine the cube11:14
ReL1Kthe wobbly windows11:14
ReL1Kexcept my desktop goes white11:14
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`Matirreally odd.... i guess it's probably a compiz bug11:16
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osmosiscan someone tell me what packages  ubuntu-xen-server  installs ?11:17
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hetaumasorry about before but I managed to "loose" xchat. did any1 reply to me and if so can some1 copy it to me?11:18
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ReL1Kyea, guessing the same11:21
ReL1Kits probably why gutsy is blacklisting my card atm11:21
hetaumaI was wondering... opened firefox went to youtube.... install missing plugins... and installed adobe flash player! preety easy! shouldn't I be asked for my password?11:22
`MatirReL1K, gutsy is blacklisting your card?11:22
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Laibsch`Matir: I am still trying to understand how to use xrandr11:34
LaibschCan you give me a hint?11:34
`MatirLaibsch, to accomplish what?11:34
Laibschgutsy broke my working dual-head11:34
`Matirwhat video driver are you using?11:34
Laibschon a Thinkpad X2411:35
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`MatirLaibsch, ok... I'm using radeon here, so shouldn't be too bad... what does 'xrandr' by itself show?11:35
LaibschI think that should still be the current state11:36
LaibschI have lost dual head about two days ago11:36
`Matirso you want internal+VGA?11:37
Laibsch`Matir: the internal display has 1024x76811:37
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Laibschthe external is 1680x105011:37
Laibschat least it should be11:37
Laibsch`Matir: yes11:38
Laibsch`Matir: actually, no11:38
Laibschinternal +WSXGA, I think11:38
LaibschI think that is what this resolution is called11:38
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`Matirok... give this a shot: xrandr --output VGA-0 --left-of LVDS11:40
ffmHow do I enable multiple desktops on the cube?11:40
`Matirsubstitute --right-of if it's on the other side :)11:40
Laibschxrandr: screen cannot be larger than 1600x1200 (desired size 2048x768)11:41
Jaymacffm, go to System>Preferences>Advanced Desktop Effects11:41
Laibsch`Matir: This used to work just fine11:41
ffmNo Advanced DEsktop effects appears for me.11:41
`Matirok, add a line to your xorg.conf that says "Virtual 2047 768" in the Display subsection of the Screen section11:41
Jaymacffm, then click General Options, and go to Desktop Size setting Horizontal size to, say 4...11:42
`MatirLaibsch, the new radeon driver is substantially different from the old one, as far as i can tell11:42
Jaymacffm, it may be called CompizConfig Settings Manager11:42
ffmJaymac: I have neither. I just have the default installed.11:42
ffmJaymac: and visual effects set to "extra"11:43
Laibsch`Matir: Yes, it looks like things changed.11:43
Laibsch`Matir: Are you sure about 2047 and 768?11:43
`Matirsorry, should be 2048, not 204711:43
`Matirit's from  (desired size 2048x768)11:43
LaibschShouldn't it be 2704 and 1050?11:43
LaibschThe external display is 1680x105011:44
`Matirah, true11:44
Jaymacffm, then go to synaptic11:44
`Matirthen yes, that should work11:44
Jaymacand install Compiz Config Settings Manager11:44
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Jaymacffm, or just aptitude install compizconfig-settings-manager11:45
ffmgot it11:46
ffmnow how do I get more than one desktop ?11:48
JaymacClick on the tab General Options, and then along the top there will be a tab Desktop Siz4e11:48
ffmfigured that bit out.11:48
Jaymachorizontal and vertical.. :)11:48
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Laibsch`Matir: Sorry, another problem: my X currently freezes the complete machine when I switch away from X11:51
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LaibschThe resolution on the external monitor is fine now.11:51
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LaibschBut is is not an extended desktop11:51
LaibschBut a cloned one where the external desktop size is bigger11:51
`MatirLaibsch, it hard freezes?  Not even Caps Lock/Num Lock?11:51
LaibschReally complete freeze11:52
LaibschCaps Lock?11:52
LaibschI try Ctrl-Alt-F111:52
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Laibschor Ctrl-Alt-Del11:52
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Laibschor Ctrl-Alt-F711:53
Laibschor Ctrl-Alt-Backspace11:53
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LaibschSomething is still pretty borked here.11:53
frostburnssh in and kill the server11:54
`Matirreally weird... i have two radeon boxes, both work fine11:54
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Laibschfrostburn: Just rebooting is faster ;-)11:54
savvasLaibsch: 3d graphics enabled?11:54
Laibschsavvas: No idea11:54
Laibschnot on purpose11:55
savvasdid you enable the fancy window movements?11:55
LaibschThis is my work machine, I don't care about games or eye candy11:55
Laibschsavvas: are you talking compiz or some such thing?11:55
LaibschI don't have compiz11:55
savvasyes :) compiz-fusion11:55
savvasah very well11:55
savvasit's installed by default but you have to enable it11:55
LaibschI don't have ubuntu-desktop for that reason11:56
LaibschToo much stuff I don't want11:56
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ConstyXIVis there a reason it doesn't seem like there have been any updates today?11:59
ffmI am having some issues gettign TC to compile.11:59
ffmme@merlin:~/Desktop/truecrypt-4.3a-source-code/Linux$ sudo ./install.sh11:59
ffmLinux kernel (2.6.22-12-generic) source directory [/usr/src/linux] : /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-1211:59
ffmError: Kernel source code is incomplete - /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-12/drivers/md/dm.h not found.11:59
ffmError: Build failed - installation aborted11:59
ffmany idea what the issue is?12:00
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JacobConstyXIV: the "whew we got a beta out; time to slow" effect? ;)12:01
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XeroConstyXIV, I got 4 updates today.12:02
Jaymacis Gutsy going to b e released on CDs?  When did it jump from a 700MB install to a 4.2GB DVD? hehe12:02
XeroOne from Medibuntu, the rest from univ/multiv/normal repos12:03
Laibsch`Matir: http://rafb.net/p/isD4vD12.html12:03
LaibschThe output from xrandr is significantly different now12:03
LaibschIt shows the correct resolution for the external monitor for example.12:04
Laibschxrandr --output VGA-0 --left-of LVDS produced a pretty strange result, though12:04
JacobJaymac: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/7.10/ :)12:04
`MatirLaibsch, that seems to be set up properly... is it still just mirroring?12:04
`Matirwhat result is that?12:04
Laibschno, not mirroring12:04
JaymacYeah Jacob I found the CDs...12:05
LaibschIt looks like the size of the desktop is correct now12:05
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LaibschSorry, it is mirroring12:05
LaibschBut it is mirroring the right side of the 2704x1050 desktop12:05
Laibschat 1024x768 resolution on both screens12:05
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Laibsch`Matir: The display config applet crashes when I fiddle with settings there: http://rafb.net/p/JitHpX62.html12:07
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Laibschsorry, that paste does not display everything.12:08
lymeca_Is gutsy not getting X.oRG 7.3?12:08
LaibschBut at any rate it crashes12:08
CountXi broke my install12:09
CountXi ran out of space, and when i rebooted i couldnt log in, so i booted form a livecd and delted a couple .iso's, i then tried to boot back up, and guess what, its broken12:09
sin1Is the beta any more stable than the daily build I have installed currently?12:10
LaibschCountX: Try the livecd again12:10
LaibschCountX: chroot into your environment12:10
CountXhow do i do that12:10
LaibschCountX: don't forget to mount all partitions from fstab12:10
`Matirlymeca_, any major version not in gutsy will not be in gutsy... at Beta they will not add new software12:10
LaibschCountX: then fix the mess with aptitude and possibly dpkg --configure -a12:11
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LaibschCountX: "chroot $path2yourborkedroot"12:11
CountXwhen i boot it says that bin/sh is gone12:11
YetiamchosenI'm in the gutsy installer. x64. Every time I double click "install", it just sits there. :P12:11
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luca_hi everyone12:12
Yetiamchosenhi, luca_.12:12
LaibschCountX: well, then it is gone.  And it might be you broke it beyond repair.12:12
LaibschBut try chroot12:12
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CountXLaibsch, but it didnt delete it12:12
LaibschCountX: Try chroot (for the third time, now!)12:12
CountXLaibsch, to the best of my knowledge its there12:12
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LaibschCountX: What do you want to hear?12:12
CountXLaibsch, livecd is booting, its slow12:12
YetiamchosenI'm in the gutsy installer. x64. Every time I double click "install", it just sits there. :P Does anyone know why this is happening?12:13
CountXLaibsch, that i didnt do anything wrong and my laptop is just freaking out12:13
sin1yetia, does it sit at "starting partition editor"?12:13
luca_I have a little (only one) problem with Gutsy :) my keys for regulating luminosity of my Dell do not function any more12:13
LaibschCountX: "I didn't do anything wrong is BS and you know it"12:13
Laibschyou should have enough space on the partition12:13
CountXLaibsch, what'd i do12:13
CountXLaibsch, i have 6.5gb free12:13
YetiamchosenIs any help available in here at all? :|12:14
LaibschCountX: not when the problem happened12:14
ZemusI'm in the gutsy installer. x64. Every time I double click "install", it just sits there. :P Does anyone know why this is happening?12:14
CountXLaibsch, innorite12:14
sin1yetiamchosen, does it sit at "starting partition editor"?12:14
CountXLaibsch, means "i know, right"12:15
Laibschthe language12:15
CountXlerolero, where12:15
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leroleroCountX: right here.12:15
CountXlerolero, history channel?12:15
lerolerogotta love those in-company happy hours...12:15
leroleroCountX: working and having some beers.12:16
sin1I installed a daily build yesterday, is it just as stable as the beta?12:16
leroleronot as fast as I used to, thou12:16
CountXLaibsch, says its missing bin/bash12:17
spikebsin1: yes, plus if you are up to date, you are running the beta.12:17
LaibschCountX: OK.  I expected that12:17
sin1k, thanks12:17
LaibschCountX: Try "sudo aptitude"12:17
LaibschCountX: Oh, you mean, you never got into the chroot?12:18
CountXLaibsch, no im on the livecd12:18
ffm I am having some issues getting truecrypt to compile.12:18
ffmLinux kernel (2.6.22-12-generic) source directory [/usr/src/linux] : /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-1212:18
ffm Error: Kernel source code is incomplete - /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-12/drivers/md/dm.h not found.12:18
ffmError: Build failed - installation aborted12:18
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CountXLaibsch, and when i run sudo chroot /media/disk-1 i get missing /bin/bash12:19
Joe_CoTi had head gutsy had firefox 3 in universe. is that true?12:19
spikebyes Joe_CoT12:19
LaibschTry "chroot /media/disk-1 aptitude"12:19
ositohi, how do I enable desktop-effects on gutsy?12:19
LaibschCountX: Try "chroot /media/disk-1 aptitude"12:19
Joe_CoTspikeb: i can't find the package. what's it called?12:19
crimsunJoe_CoT: firefox-granparadiso12:19
ffmosito: Sys>Prefs>Apperance12:20
ffmAnd go to last tab12:20
CountXLaibsch, ok its running12:20
LaibschCountX: Try to fix things12:20
Joe_CoTahh, thanks crimsun ;D12:20
CountXLaibsch, how :(12:20
Laibschpress u12:20
CountX!info firefox-granparadiso12:20
ubotufirefox-granparadiso: lightweight web browser based on Mozilla (Development Version). In component universe, is optional. Version 3.0~alpha7-0ubuntu6 (gutsy), package size 9717 kB, installed size 27396 kB12:20
LaibschCountX: Are you sure you should be running gutsy?12:20
leroleroi wonder if you can buy developer time @ubuntu12:21
CountXLaibsch, yes12:21
pwuertzthis deskbar search applet... when I click on it, a window appears... like a new application.... but in the screenshots an edit field with search results appeared right underneath the deskbar applet... this style has been disregarded if favor of this isolated search window?12:21
LaibschCountX: I disagree12:21
CountXLaibsch, ok12:21
lerolerolike: want that bug fixed badly, so I'm paying $$12:21
CountXLaibsch, still dont wanna help me?12:21
LaibschCountX: Have you ever used aptitude before?12:21
CountXLaibsch, to install stuff yea12:21
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Laibschyou should know package managers12:21
ositoffm, error "The Composite extension is not available"12:22
LaibschCountX: still don't wanna help you?12:22
LaibschWho got you into aptitude? for chrissake!12:22
CountXLaibsch, do wat now12:22
RAOFpwuertz: Indeed.  The new, window approach works well, I think.12:22
LaibschCountX: Press u, then press g to get the upgrade-process going again12:22
mc44osito: what graphics card do you have?12:22
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Jaymacosito do you  have intel graphics?12:22
LaibschCountX: if you run into problems, do12:23
pwuertzRAOF: so this style is gone? http://raphael.slinckx.net/deskbar/screenshots.php#devel12:23
ositono, I have a lousy ati12:23
jordsJust trying to upgrade my feisty to gutsy, and update-manager is giving me this error message: Failed to fetch http://nz.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/source/Sources.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch12:23
LaibschCountX: Try "chroot /media/disk-1 dpkg --configure -a"12:23
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jordsAlways fails fetching that file12:23
osito01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RS485 [Radeon Xpress 1100 IGP] 12:23
Jaymacis the fglrx driver enabled in the restricted manager?12:23
mc44osito: you need to use the fglrx drivers, and install xgl12:23
spikebsoon, though, that will be a thing of the past!12:23
ositomc44, is there a guide or commands?12:24
RAOFpwuertz: Yes.  That style is no longer.12:24
Picijords: Looks like theres something wrong with that file.  Try changing your software sources to a different mirror.12:24
jordsheh need a open source nvidia GL driver now :D12:24
mc44osito: use the restricted driver manager to set up fglrx for your ati card12:24
RAOFosito: Install the "xserver-xgl"12:24
CountXLaibsch, that didnt do anything :(12:24
Jaymacosito, go into your restricted manager and make sure that ATI accelerated graphics driver is enabled..12:24
ositothanks all on the help12:24
LaibschCountX: what didn't do anything?12:25
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Laibschaptitude or dpkg?12:25
spikebjords: there's a project working on an open driver for nvidia, as well. they just have to reverse engineer instead of having specs12:25
CountXLaibsch, dpkg12:25
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luca_spikeb: and one problem is, I guess, that Nvidia does quite good binary drivers :P12:25
CountXLaibsch, when i press u in aptitude, it fails at 43%12:25
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ffmDoes anyone know why I get "Kernel source code is incomplete - /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-12/drivers/md/dm.h not found." when tring to compile?12:26
luca_anyhow, can someone help me regarding the luminosity keys?12:26
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ZemusThe gutsy installer won't stop hanging. It's getting quite frustrating. This is the third time I've had to run it.12:26
CountXLaibsch, i might just grab the beta....12:27
PaNzErHi all12:27
PiciZemus: Have you checked the disc's md5sum?12:27
LaibschCountX: fails?  what error?  try with a very minimal sources.list by commenting out a few lines12:27
ZemusPici, no...? I just burned it. :(12:27
LaibschCountX: I think you should stick with feisty for another three weeks if you reinstall12:27
Pici!bot verify Zemus12:27
Pici!verify > Zemus (Please see the private messsage from ubotu)12:27
Zemuswewt, thanks12:28
jords!verify > jords12:28
jordsjust too curious :D12:28
ffm Does anyone know why I get "Kernel source code is incomplete - /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-12/drivers/md/dm.h not found." when tring to compile?12:29
mc44did you install the headers?12:30
ffmmc44: ?12:30
ffmmc44: I just upgraded.12:30
mc44ffm: yes...12:31
mc44ffm: did you install linux-headers-generic?12:31
ffmmc44: How do I install the headers?12:31
ffmwith apt?12:31
T-ConnectNext version of Ubuntu will be 7.10 right?12:31
ffmmc44: linux-headers-generic is already the newest version.12:32
ffmT-Connect: yes.12:32
LoReT-Connect: yup12:32
T-ConnectIt still looks the same as the 7.04?12:32
luca_T-Connect: some minor changes, but for me the big deal is that for example compiz is WAY faster now12:33
luca_guess other things too :D12:33
luca_can someone help me with function keys though please? :)12:33
ffmmc44: any idea why I am still having this issue?12:34
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osmosishow come gutsy has no libc6-xen package ?12:35
ffmIs there a truecrypt precompiled for gutsy? I cannot seem to compile it myself.12:35
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tapoxiHello, I just upgraded to Gutsy and I want to remove excess entries in my Places menu12:35
Jaymactapoxi... open up a file browser12:36
Jaymactapoxi... and the Places menu entries are bookmarks on the left hand side12:36
savvastapoxi: try delete the folder of the entry and logout/login again to see if that helps12:37
Laibschgutsy somehow managed to break locales for me and I wonder how I can get it back into working order: http://rafb.net/p/Oa5GTm76.html12:38
ffmSomeone just told me to do this on the forums: You need to compile kernel-module. Can do it simply with build.sh. Remember to install linux-source extract it and make symbolic link to /usr/src/linux.12:38
ffmHow do I do it?12:38
savvasffm: why would you need to do that?12:39
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ffmsavvas: becase I am getting this issue when compiling an app: "Kernel source code is incomplete - /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.22-12/drivers/md/dm.h not found"12:40
savvasthey also told me I need to compile one, I headed to launchpad and filed a bug, the problem was fixed in gutsy :)12:40
RAOFffm: What app, and if it's looking for the source and not just the headers then you probably do need to install the linux-source package (and do a bit of setup), yes.12:41
savvashum.. well I'm not a compiling expert heh12:41
ffmRAOF: Truecrypt12:41
ositoI've installed xserver-xgl, do I need to reboot?12:42
RAOFosito: No, just log off & log in again.  Compiz should automatically start.12:42
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ositoRAOF, thanks I'll be back12:42
savvasi thought it comes preinstalled12:42
tapoxiHello, GNOME seems to have trouble playing sounds for some reason12:42
antennaehas anyone in here observed strange behavior when using two soundcards?12:43
tapoxiPidgin wasn't playing anything, then I deleted .gaim, now it works12:43
RAOFffm: It is, of course, possible that Truecrypt is broken on our kernel.12:43
antennaei have han hdsp and my on board card, gutsy did not reboot and shutdown, lots of other strange stuff, i blacklisted my hdsp and now everything works fine12:43
ffmwell the repositoies are as slow as a turtle in peanut butter, so no hope getting linux-source tonight.12:43
scizzo-is the screen and graphics reading from a special archive of monitors or goes from the archive that xorg has?12:44
tapoxisecondly, how do I edit my places menu?12:45
Jaymactapoxi... just open a file browser12:46
Jaymacyou should see a few bookmarks on the left hand side... delete/add bookmarks and they'll appear in your places12:46
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ositoseems to be working now Thanks!! how do I configure my effects and the cube now?12:47
tapoxiJaymac: Thanks. I can't believe I never knew that.12:47
Jaymacosito... sudo aptitude install compizconfig-settings-manager12:47
Jaymactapoxi, you're welcome :)12:47
CountXLaibsch, i dont have a bin folder on my disk-112:47
Jaymacosito, then System>Preferences>Advanced Desktop Effects Settings12:48
ArtimusIs there anything compiz that can do that's useful?  I'm not a fan of eye candy.  The most "eye candy" I tolerate on a desktop typically is a fake-transparent OSD when Amarok changes songs.12:48
LaibschCountX: did you use a single partition?12:48
`MatirArtimus, then just disable compiz... it's not for everyone. :)12:48
tapoxiIs there any way to change sound settings for all of GNOME? My sound works, but GNOME isn't playing the system sounds (login, logout) properly.12:48
ositoaren't the effects supposed to be default in gutsy12:48
JaymacArtimus an embedded transparent, borderless terminal on my desktop is quite useful :)12:48
spikebArtimus: shadows.12:48
Jaymacosito, they are..12:48
CountXLaibsch, no i have one for a /home one for my linux, one for my windows boot, and yet another for storing files12:49
spikebArtimus: and the expose rip off.12:49
Artimus`Matir: No, I was asking.  What features are there for usability and not "oooh, shiny"12:49
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`MatirJaymac, how does one do the embedded/transparent/borderless/etc terminal?12:49
CountXLaibsch, 2 harddrives, 2 partitions on each12:49
`MatirArtimus, I was not personally aware of any such features :)12:49
Jaymac`Matir, http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2007/08/27/transparent-terminal-on-your-desktop/12:49
LaibschCountX: IOW, you did not move /bin to a separate partition but it is no longer present on the root partition?  In that case, I'd vote for backing up what you need and reinstalling -> feisty!12:50
CountXLaibsch, theres nothing i can do to get it back12:51
Xerobug 5612512:52
ubotuLaunchpad bug 56125 in apt "doesnt look like a cow" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5612512:52
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Xerolol someone actually confirmed it too12:53
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T-ConnectIs there away to disabled the password popup when doing updates and other things?12:54
T-ConnectThat drive me crazy.12:55
CountXthats amazinbg12:55
tapoxiAnyone else having sound issues?12:55
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`MatirSo when I attempt to start compiz --replace, I get the following: Comparing resolution (1024x768) to maximum 3D texture size (512): Failed.12:56
XeroMatir, there's a fix on the forums12:56
LaibschCountX: Sure there is.  But considering the effort needed, the skill set and the potential payoff, I'd say the scale is heavily tilted towards "reinstall"12:56
magicrobotmonkeyif im running gusty now, should i expect it to upgrade a bunch soon to be at the beta12:56
Jaymacyou already are on the beta12:56
XeroBasically, nano /usr/bin/compiz and replace TEXTURE_SIZE with 3D_TEXTURE_SIZE12:56
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Jaymacrarely :)12:58
savvasmagicrobotmonkey: if you did your upgrades regularly, then no :)12:59
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tapoxiapparently ESD is broken01:00
ZemusI have now tried two different cd's. They both freeze on the part where they are supposed to format a partition.01:00
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JaymacYeah, I keep getting the following on a terminal: /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found01:00
`Matirodd... maximized window title bars go white with compiz01:00
ZemusI'm talking about installing gutsy.01:00
CountXhow do you cut with a command?01:01
CountXlike with cp -a?01:01
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tapoxiJaymac: Did they just...forget it?01:01
ZemusCountX, I just use mv :P01:01
JaymacCountX, try the mv command01:01
ZemusJaymac, lol01:01
Jaymactapoxi, not sure.. I haven't had any sound issues01:02
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savvasJaymac: maybe you're doing some sudo/gksudo commands01:02
Jaymacyeah.. i always cop out and run sudo gedit instead of gksu :)01:03
Jaymacwhich is when the message is printed01:03
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gnomefreakJaymac: its normal to get the error please go into the sound conf GUI and turn off esd01:11
gnomefreakJaymac: system>preffernces>sound  go to second tab and uncheck first box01:12
gnomefreakJaymac: close it and you should no longer get it01:13
gnomefreakcrimsun: if your here do you have any reasoning behind why that error is poping up?01:13
Jaymacgnomefreak, thanks :)01:13
gnomefreakJaymac: it worked for others, i just tried it (it wasnt bothing me that much)01:14

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