[12:29] <Misosaki> Cool
[12:31] <terlmann> how is this cool ?
[12:31] <nothlit> the funding from your grandparents
[12:31] <terlmann> I'm a GEEK in the luddite camp !!
[12:31] <terlmann> really ?
[12:32] <Misosaki> Hi bcasanov
[12:32] <terlmann> how much do you think they give me and for how much manual labor ?
[12:32] <Misosaki> lol Was referring to the money
[12:32] <_MMA_> Wait, wait, wait. :)
[12:32] <_MMA_> "(08:39:50 PM) _MMA_: terlmann: How old are you?" "(08:40:24 PM) terlmann: 22"
[12:32] <_MMA_> "terlmann: I get some funding from grandparents every 6 months though"
[12:32] <_MMA_> And you're waitin' on $ from the Grandparents? :)
[12:32] <terlmann> more like I go there on vacation and I am actually 19
[12:32] <terlmann>  :D
[12:32] <terlmann> :D :D :D
[12:32] <lassegul> lol
[12:32] <Misosaki> lol
[12:32] <lassegul> this is stupid
[12:32] <lassegul> :)
[12:33] <terlmann> I love to laugh up my facts
[12:33] <terlmann> nothing like a little resume padding
[12:33] <terlmann> actually you can check my profile online at deviantart.com
[12:33] <bcasanov> Hi
[12:33] <terlmann> I haven't been there in a year though
[12:33] <lassegul> bcasanov: hi man
[12:33] <terlmann> just telling ya
[12:33] <terlmann> heya bsasanov
[12:34] <_MMA_> terlmann: Be cause the _NO_ way to lie online. ;)
[12:34] <_MMA_> *Because
[12:34] <terlmann> MMA : you may kiss my %$$
[12:34] <lassegul> terlmann: you have like to things in your gallery
[12:34] <lassegul> *two
[12:34] <terlmann> I'm elit0r than you
[12:34] <bcasanov> I'm new to IRC and the ubuntu artwork channel.
[12:34] <_MMA_> Yep. 12.
[12:34] <_MMA_> ;)
[12:34] <terlmann> lassegul : I have gibberish in my gallery
[12:35] <lassegul> i second that emotion
[12:35] <terlmann> I havn't been ther in a  year
[12:35] <Misosaki> bcasanov: Welcome
[12:35] <bcasanov> Thanks!
[12:35] <lassegul> bcasanov: whats up
[12:35] <terlmann> You want to see my work lassegul ?
[12:35] <lassegul> terlmann: yeah but no dccs
[12:35] <bcasanov> I'm just surfing here to see what's going on.
[12:35] <terlmann> no dcc ?
[12:35] <lassegul> terlmann: no upload them somewhere
[12:35] <terlmann> it's a pain in the ass to upload this stuff
[12:36] <terlmann> especially on my bandwidth
[12:36] <lassegul> terlmann: its a pain in the ass with dccs
[12:36] <nothlit> bcasanov: do you have any questions about irc?
[12:36] <lassegul> terlmann: your bandwith is the same if you upload directly to me or to some site.
[12:36] <terlmann> not to filters
[12:36] <Misosaki> bcasanov: Feel free to jump in whenever
[12:37] <lassegul> terlmann: what the *** are you talking about?
[12:37] <lassegul> :)
[12:37] <terlmann> And when I upload more than 1 mb to a site , it is a little hindered
[12:37] <terlmann> what I mean is that my bandwidth is filtered by kinds of requests
[12:37] <bcasanov> Nothlit: Not right now.  Although it's kind of confusing because responses come and go so fast.
[12:37] <terlmann> some just go under the wall and never get noticed
[12:37] <lassegul> terlmann: ok then just mail me at    lasse at sosialisme dot no
[12:37] <joejaxx> lol
[12:37] <bcasanov> Misosaki: Thanks!
[12:37] <terlmann> k
[12:37] <nothlit> bcasanov: that unfortunately, only comes with time
[12:38] <nothlit> bcasanov: you'll get used to it :)
[12:38] <bcasanov> True.
[12:38] <bcasanov> :)
[12:38] <Misosaki> :)
[12:38] <nothlit> bcasanov: although, if you're talking about #ubuntu, i doubt anyone follows the entire thing
[12:38] <bcasanov> That's right.
[12:38] <bcasanov> It's a very large channel.
[12:39] <lassegul> bcasanov: its usually quiter around here.
[12:39] <lassegul> *quieter
[12:39] <bcasanov> Yep.  That makes it more personal, I guess.
[12:40] <lassegul> terlmann: help me out grammar nazi, am i writing this the right way
[12:40] <terlmann> The chat channel does not have any definition of standard english applied to it
[12:40] <terlmann> Your making fun of me right ?
[12:40] <joejaxx> lol
[12:40] <bcasanov> Could someone tell me, what will be discussed in the next artwork meeting?
[12:41] <lassegul> terlmann: im just teasing.
[12:41] <nothlit> bcasanov: let me grab you the agenda
[12:41] <terlmann> bcasanov : the rules !
[12:41] <bcasanov> Thank you!
[12:41] <Misosaki> bcasanov: The link will have the goods
[12:41] <lassegul> terlmann: and im not english so i do have some bad grammar
[12:41] <Misosaki> bcasanov: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Meetings
[12:41] <nothlit> oh, there you go lol
[12:41] <terlmann> the title has  been updated to reflect the meeting
[12:41] <terlmann> the title of this channel
[12:42] <terlmann> or rather the topic
[12:42] <lassegul> terlmann: did you mail me?
[12:42] <terlmann> not yet
[12:42] <nothlit> i've also suggested on further item, or rather, specified a particular area to focus on, in item number two.
[12:42] <nothlit> its in the mailing list
[12:42] <terlmann> 25-60kbs up/down is rather slow
[12:43] <terlmann> I use webmail as well
[12:43] <terlmann> I will just post it to image shack
[12:43] <bcasanov> Gracias!  or rather, thanks again!  (I speak mostly Spanish.)
[12:43] <terlmann> I had to reduce the quality quite a bit
[12:43] <Misosaki> bcasanov: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[12:44] <Misosaki> Just look at nothlit's latest message
[12:44] <bcasanov> Well, I have to leave right now because I was just taking a break from work.  Thank you all for your help and for the nice personal introduction.  I'll be visiting again soon.
[12:44] <terlmann> lassegul : http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6659/droprh3.jpg << is purely my picture
[12:44] <terlmann> I just uploaded
[12:44] <terlmann> it
[12:44] <terlmann> it was originally 5 mb
[12:44] <terlmann> so I reduced quality at great length
[12:45] <joejaxx> terlmann: lol
[12:45] <terlmann> well for a 5 MB jpg to go to a .5 MB jpg...
[12:45] <terlmann> quite a change
[12:46] <lassegul> terlmann: i like the colours. but im really sick of seeing obvious gimp effects.
[12:46] <terlmann> well the image is entirely gimped
[12:46] <terlmann> I made it last fall
[12:46] <terlmann> No source was used
[12:46] <terlmann> lassegul : my use of the effects was effective though.
[12:47] <lassegul> terlmann: im not talking about you using gimp, but youve used some "ripple" effect. and everyone who has ever used that one before know what you did.
[12:47] <Misosaki> Ditto about the colours
[12:47] <terlmann> I used multiple ripple effects
[12:47] <terlmann> not just one
[12:48] <lassegul> terlmann: so what you basicaly got here is a nice set of colours, that has a lot of potential, and then you used the ripple effect.
[12:48] <Misosaki> Kind of also reminds me of a wall kwwii posted the other day, without the rippling
[12:48] <terlmann> as I said as well , the image you are viewing is 1/10 quality
[12:48] <terlmann> and if you do not like waves I can always use my handy Gaussian filter  :-P
[12:48] <lassegul> terlmann: im just saying im a little tired of the gimp effects. they dont show off your skills.
[12:49] <terlmann> well I hate Inkscape and any kind of math based art
[12:50] <lassegul> im not saying you have to use something other than gimp. Just stay clear of obvious effects. when you use them, be subtle.
[12:50] <nothlit> Thats what paint work in gimp is for lol :D
[12:50] <terlmann> So I will have something out soon but You will see plenty of gimp effects (or none , I still have my Gaussy :-P )
[12:51] <Misosaki> http://sinecera.de/rainbow.jpg
[12:51] <Misosaki> Complements of kwwii
[12:51] <lassegul> thats the same picture!
[12:51] <terlmann> yep
[12:51] <terlmann> it is the same plasma seed
[12:51] <terlmann> from the plasma plugin in the gimp :-P
[12:52] <terlmann> or at least very close
[12:52] <Misosaki> Ah
[12:52] <lassegul> hehee. looks like kwwii ripped you off terlmann
[12:52] <terlmann> perhaps our minds are subliminaly  linked :-)
[12:52] <lassegul> :)
[12:53] <terlmann> they are a little different though..
[12:54] <terlmann> mine has some yellow below and navy where his cyan is
[12:54] <terlmann> but he does need to see this
[12:54] <terlmann> very funny
[12:57] <Misosaki> lols You could probably show him the next time he's in, just for the heck of it
[12:57] <terlmann> I will :-)
[12:58] <terlmann> And I will dcc him the original timestamped file
[12:58] <terlmann> just for some ownage
[12:58] <terlmann> I am telepathics ! everyone is copyinz ME :-D
[12:59] <Misosaki> Hehe
[12:59] <lassegul> terlmann: ive got a suggestion. I like your colours. so try making a picture entirely without any effects but maybe blur. Just use layers.
[01:00] <coz_> evening all
[01:00] <Misosaki> Hi coz_
[01:00] <lassegul> lassegul: then your next picture will have the strength of both layers and effects
[01:00] <coz_> Misosaki, hey guy
[01:00] <lassegul> hi
[01:00] <coz_> lassegul, hello :)
[01:00] <lassegul> terlmann: im not teasing or trying to be mean, just a friendly suggestion. because i do like those colours.
[01:01] <terlmann> well whatever I will do , a thorough Gaussian blur come last :-)
[01:01] <coz_> anything new an interesting happening with the team at all ?
[01:01] <Misosaki> coz_: Define interesting?
[01:02] <coz_> Misosaki, beyond same old same old :)
[01:02] <Misosaki> We're just looking at terlmann's work
[01:02] <coz_> ah may I look as well ?
[01:02] <terlmann> wait one
[01:04] <terlmann> I will look among my diminutive creations
[01:04] <terlmann> for something better
[01:05] <terlmann> nope
[01:05] <terlmann> :D
[01:05] <terlmann> not for now anyway
[01:05] <_MMA_> Then wouldnt taking it to a PM be better?
[01:05] <terlmann> only really good work I did (also with the gimp) was my special branded pic online
[01:06] <coz_> _MMA_, you the above conversation?
[01:07] <_MMA_> Its like talking to a group of people, and showing 1 person the pic of what you're talking about.
[01:07] <_MMA_> coz_: You wanted to look. Im sure others would as well.
[01:08] <coz_> _MMA_, ah i see :)
[01:08] <lassegul> 00:44 < terlmann> lassegul :  http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6659/droprh3.jpg <<  is purely my picture
[01:08] <coz_> _MMA_, well I just arrived so
[01:08] <lassegul> theres the link from before you joined.
[01:09] <coz_> lassegul, oh thanks :)
[01:10] <coz_> terlmann, this is an abstract color comp ?
[01:12] <terlmann> yea
[01:14] <coz_> terlmann, nice   I like the colors also... what was your goal with this image?
[01:21] <coz_> terlmann, was this a test of what you could do in gimp?
[01:25] <Misosaki> Hi swj
[01:26] <coz_> terlmann, sorry guy... I may be pushing for something I shouldnt have been
[01:26] <swj> diverting the subject away from the WP for a while ;) I am wondering if any you know why the gnome icons/tango still have some blurry icons in app and system menu.  I realize you don
[01:26] <swj> ignore the last part ;)
[01:28] <swj> I realize you do not actually have anything to do with the gnome icons...I'm just wondering how to fix or will it be fixed before release
[01:28] <nothlit> swj: if no one knows, you should file a bug on launchpad
[01:28] <Misosaki> coz_: He's probably just away
[01:29] <nothlit> or on g-i-t if you think its upstream
[01:29] <Misosaki> swj: Maybe because tango and gnome don't use the same size thing?
[01:29] <Misosaki> 22x22 vs 24x24
[01:30] <Misosaki> wb kwwii
[01:30] <kwwii> hi Misosaki
[01:32] <kwwii> btw...is your real name Misosaki?
[01:32] <kwwii> just wondering
[01:32] <kwwii> my nick comes from my name; Kenneth Wesely Wimer II
[01:33] <swj> hm thanks
[01:33] <nothlit> Misosaki: btw, do you teach origami or something? was trying to find your portfolio and came across your wiki page :P
[01:33] <kwwii> so people call me Ken or Wes
[01:33] <Misosaki> lols No ... it's an anagram for a nick I most often use, but since the other nick is so short, it's often not allowed in some regs lols
[01:34] <Misosaki> Helen's fine, if you insist (or Hell)
[01:34] <kwwii> lol
[01:34] <Misosaki> Usually it's just Iko
[01:34] <kwwii> you can call me claire, we already have a few of those at the company
[01:34] <Misosaki> lol
[01:35] <lassegul> kwwii: i dont get it :S
[01:35] <Misosaki> I have people call me Margaret, but well, that's another story
[01:35] <kwwii> lassegul: if you worked for canonical you would
[01:35] <kwwii> we have two claires
[01:35] <kwwii> claire one and claire two
[01:35] <lassegul> yeah i spoke with one clear today
[01:35] <lassegul> *claire
[01:35] <kwwii> you spoke with clare one
[01:36] <Misosaki> (Incidentally related to the origami thing -- another fellow member is called Margaret)
[01:36] <kwwii> claire one
[01:36] <kwwii> the other claire is leave after having a child so she is not around much
[01:37] <Misosaki> So you're the other claire now? lol
[01:37] <kwwii> is ....on.... leave
[01:37] <kwwii> lol, I wish
[01:37] <lassegul> lol
[01:37] <kwwii> my wife is on a business trip as of today so I am a single father until the weekend
[01:37] <Misosaki> Fun
[01:37] <kwwii> *stress*
[01:38] <kwwii> luckily I am the cook in the house anyway
[01:38] <Misosaki> There's always McD
[01:38] <kwwii> now if I was the one who washed the clothes
[01:39] <kwwii> Misosaki: lol, we do not eat fast food
[01:39] <Misosaki> kwwii: No way lol
[01:39] <kwwii> I cooked a bolognese sauce for noodles for tomorrow this evening
[01:39] <joejaxx> cranberry juice ftw! :D
[01:39] <Misosaki> Hehehe, happy belated b-day, lassegul
[01:39] <kwwii> my wife's father and sister will come for lunch tomorrow
[01:40] <kwwii> I used to work as a cook a long time ago
[01:40] <kwwii> actually, I opened several restaurants
[01:40] <nothlit> awesome
[01:40] <lassegul> kwwii: whats your speciality?
[01:41] <lassegul> (i love hearing about tasty food)
[01:41] <kwwii> lassegul: pretty much anything
[01:41] <kwwii> I am not so good at asian food outside of sushi and sashimi
[01:42] <Misosaki> Doesn't matter ... as long as you make lots of it and add free sake to the mix
[01:42] <kwwii> my wife can still make better potatoe salad and mashed potatoes than I can
[01:43] <kwwii> she is german and those are german specialties
[01:43] <kwwii> spelling
[01:43] <coz_> kwwii, but can she paint with them :)
[01:43] <coz_> just a joke :)
[01:44] <kwwii> lol
[01:44] <lassegul> this is an awesome animation. http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1777187
[01:44] <kwwii> my wife is the least creative person in the world
[01:44] <lassegul> kind of reminds me of Pink Floyd The wall movie animaton.
[01:46] <Misosaki> kwwii: Btw, was just looking at your site ... nice icon work
[01:46] <coz_> I wonder if his parents got upset after they saw the smudges all over the room :)
[01:46] <lassegul> coz_: i would think so.
[01:47] <coz_> :)
[01:47] <coz_> but it was for arts sake  :)
[01:47] <Misosaki> @link: Oops
[01:47] <Misosaki> lol
[01:48] <kwwii> dude, that is some freaking, amazing shit
[01:48] <kwwii> lassegul, I mean
[01:48] <kwwii> nifty
[01:48] <kwwii> I like it
[01:48] <kwwii> Misosaki: well, been around for while
[01:48] <lassegul> kwwii: you did understand that i didnt make this?
[01:48] <kwwii> oxygen was my first icon project all on my own
[01:49] <kwwii> i was everaldo's boss for crystal
[01:49] <coz_> nice^^^
[01:49] <kwwii> and I knew what I needed to improve
[01:49] <Misosaki> Ah
[01:49] <kwwii> my website is pretty crappy though
[01:49] <kwwii> I never really got finished
[01:50] <kwwii> the job at canonical kinda took front row
[01:50] <coz_> kwwii, you are now working for coninical/
[01:50] <coz_> ?
[01:51] <kwwii> coz_: yepp, since January I work for them fulltime
[01:51] <coz_> kwwii, very cool  i assume you didnt have to move to south africa? :)
[01:51] <kwwii> I did two 6 month contracts before that
[01:51] <kwwii> I am an american who lives in germany
[01:52] <coz_> kwwii, oh nice!  what is it you do at coninical?
[01:54] <kwwii> coz_: I do all the kubuntu artwork, a bit of edubuntu and I lead the ubuntu artwork
[01:54] <kwwii> art director without getting paid for it
[01:54] <kwwii> so to speak
[01:54] <coz_> kwwii, very nice     ...love edubuntu
[01:54] <kwwii> anyway
[01:54] <kwwii> time for sleep
[01:54] <coz_> kwwii, but you get paind right ?
[01:54] <coz_> paid
[01:54] <kwwii> epp
[01:55] <kwwii> yepp
[01:55] <coz_> cool
[01:59] <kwwii> sleep now
[01:59] <kwwii> see you all tomorrow
[01:59] <coz_> kwwii, ok guy sleep well
[02:08] <lassegul> ill turn in as well
[02:09] <lassegul> good night peeps.
[02:11] <terlmann> kwwii!
[02:11] <terlmann> I just got bach'
[02:11] <terlmann> back
[02:11] <terlmann> was watching the ending of halo 3 :D
[02:12] <terlmann> http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6659/droprh3.jpg
[02:12] <terlmann> go here kwwii
[02:12] <terlmann> and observe something very weird
[02:12] <terlmann> One half year ago, I made the picture at that link
[02:13] <terlmann> http://sinecera.de/rainbow.jpg is yours right ?
[02:13] <terlmann> strange I say
[02:13] <terlmann> very strange
[02:13] <terlmann> I never shared mine with anyone
[02:27] <kwwii> terlmann: that is gimp magic and show what happens when people play around with plugins
[02:27] <kwwii> anyway, I am in bed aleady
[02:27] <kwwii> night, again
[02:28] <terlmann> night
[02:32] <Misosaki> Night kwwii
[02:41] <coz_> is troy_s  here this evening ? :)
[02:42] <coz_> he must be asleep :)
[02:45] <Misosaki> Haven't heard from him the past few hours
[02:45] <coz_> Misosaki, ah ok I am sure he is in bed it must be aroun3am there
[02:45] <Misosaki> coz_: Ah
[02:49] <coz_> i will have to stop by earlier then   ...ok guys have a good night   all :)
[04:06] <coz_> well i could t sleep :)
[06:59] <kwwii> for anyone who hasn't seen this yet:
[06:59] <kwwii> http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/12/1449201&from=rss
[07:29] <dmccall> Ah, Google Tech Talks is great :)
[10:31] <troy_s> These bloody lynchups are going to drive me to drink.
[12:15] <kworx> lo
[12:16] <lassegul> hi
[03:04] <bersace> Hi every one
[03:04] <bersace> who's responsible for the new artwork ?
[03:04] <bersace> is it planned to update GDM screen to fit new background ?
[03:05] <lassegul> bersace: kwwii is responsible. dont know about GDM theme
[03:05] <bersace> nice !
[03:05] <bersace> kwwii: !
[03:06] <bersace> kwwii:  do you plan to update gdm theme
[03:06] <bersace> ?
[03:06] <bersace> i would like to update HumanList too
[03:15] <kwwii> bersace: nope, no changes in gdm planned this time around
[03:15] <bersace> kwwii: sad :/
[03:15] <kwwii> what would you want to change?
[03:16] <_MMA_> Everything!
[03:16] <_MMA_> /me runs.
[03:16] <lassegul> :)
[03:17] <kwwii> :-)
[03:18] <kwwii> perhaps we could tweak the background or such
[03:18] <terlmann> kwwii : I does that ? :-P
[03:19] <terlmann> I am going to speak in a form of lolcat dialect sometimes...
[03:19] <artnay> kwwii: the one with user list could need some tweaking
[03:20] <terlmann> I did submit a theme artnay
[03:20] <lassegul> kwwii: i saw that video on google tech you linked to this morning. it was interesting.
[03:20] <artnay> but that's probably because of the limitations of GDM
[03:20] <terlmann> the Avio theme , I think , i perfect
[03:20] <artnay> terlmann: link?
[03:20] <terlmann> I put it up on the wiki
[03:20] <_MMA_> kwwii: So I guess the art deadlines meant nothing? We ran into this as well. Tweaking things at the last minute to help placate the masses.
[03:20] <terlmann> at the gutsyideas page
[03:20] <terlmann> at the end
[03:21] <kwwii> _MMA_: yeah, I made those dates up
[03:21] <_MMA_> :)
[03:21] <kwwii> _MMA_: I planned a little extra time for situations like this
[03:21] <_MMA_> Ahh....
[03:21] <kwwii> but we don't want to spread that information around
[03:22] <lassegul> it would be cool to get that GDM theme changed.
[03:22] <_MMA_> ;)
[03:22] <lassegul> just a little
[03:22] <lassegul> just so people feel the evolution :)
[03:22] <terlmann> lassegul : just agree with me to base it on Avio
[03:22] <terlmann> :-P
[03:23] <lassegul> terlmann: i would think its enough with a variation of the current theme.
[03:23] <kwwii> lassegul: perhaps we could tweak things a bit, but I would not want to change it radically as there is little time left to fix something if we break it
[03:23] <artnay> terlmann: avio is ok. currently the user list GDM theme looks like out of place
[03:24] <terlmann> well Avio is one with a user list
[03:24] <terlmann> I think of it as all-purpose
[03:24] <terlmann> I altered it and added the elephant pic
[03:25] <kwwii> terlmann: we can't change it that much
[03:26] <artnay> terlmann: it should be based on the same bg as the normal GDM theme
[03:26] <terlmann> for the next release , kwwii , please try to get some of the old , old ,OLD pics from hoary/warty considered . They are darker, which is what we are looking for , and bringing some of them back would be , like , cool... as no one has them right now.
[03:26] <terlmann> artnay : with Avio that is a 1 second trick
[03:27] <artnay> terlmann: true
[03:27] <kwwii> terlmann: I do not think that reverting to something old is a good idea...the plan so far is to go with black and orange
[03:27] <kwwii> so  something darker but different
[03:27] <kwwii> more orange
[03:27] <kwwii> anyway...gotta run...
[03:27] <terlmann> really old
[03:27] <terlmann> really
[03:27] <terlmann> I will google it
[03:31] <lassegul> Maybe just alter the colour on the current so that it matches the new wallpaper?
[03:37] <terlmann> http://www.cnet.co.uk/i/c/blg/cat/desktops/wallpapers/ubuntu.jpg
[03:37] <terlmann> this should be the template :-)
[03:37] <terlmann> we want to go to darker brown , this is darker brown... all artists should use this as the example..
[03:39] <lassegul> terlmann: this was a template before it got removed for being bad
[03:39] <terlmann> that was ?
[03:39] <terlmann> aww
[03:39] <artnay> who wants to go? kwwii just stated that the idea (his and sabdfl's?) is to focus on black and orange
[03:39] <terlmann> shucks
[03:39] <terlmann> kwwii said earlier that the focus was to get back to a darker color
[03:39] <terlmann> anyway
[03:40] <terlmann> http://kingcritter.pyrom.net/ubuntu/index.html
[03:40] <terlmann> is a good artist
[03:40] <terlmann> kwwwii should look into this
[03:40] <artnay> generally the brown that has been used has been too dark! that's why people dislike it (imho)
[03:40] <lassegul> black and orange can be very cool
[03:40] <terlmann> imho the dapper and feisty releases were just right
[03:40] <artnay> brown just hasn't been used well
[03:41] <terlmann> but I hate orange , just for your information
[03:41] <artnay> lassegul: agree :-)
[03:41] <lassegul> artnay: i agree with your statement too :)
[03:41] <terlmann> orange spells of chaos
[03:43] <artnay> I liked how AndyFitz used brown, it wasn't dominant colour but it still was brown
[03:43] <lassegul> his cell phone number?
[03:44] <_MMA_> (I actually have it)
[03:44] <artnay> http://artnay.divxfinland.org/desktop.jpg - there's an example BG (just a teaser) from AndyFitz
[03:44] <lassegul> artnay: yeah, this is nice.
[03:44] <artnay> light brown is delicious ;-)
[03:51] <terlmann> http://www.socksoff.co.uk/index.html << nother link for kwwii
[03:51] <terlmann> to find artists at
[03:51] <kwwii> re
[03:52] <kwwii> terlmann: I said earlier that we want to go black and orange, which is darker :-)
[03:52] <terlmann> I know that
[03:52] <terlmann> I am trying to find you some decent artists
[03:52] <terlmann> you do have a scrollback right ?
[03:52] <terlmann> http://kingcritter.pyrom.net/ubuntu/index.html
[03:53] <terlmann> and the socksoff above
[03:53] <terlmann> and we have isobalax at deviantart
[03:53] <lassegul> i dont like his use of brown.
[03:53] <terlmann> these guys should be notified
[03:54] <lassegul> terlmann: his name isnt isobalax
[03:54] <kwwii> in any case I think that brown is not where we want to go
[03:54] <lassegul> terlmann: i remember you said it wrong last time too, then you found the right name.
[03:54] <lassegul> terlmann: what was that?
[03:54] <terlmann> isobalax is the user tag on devianart
[03:55] <lassegul> terlmann: no, its something similar.
[03:55] <lassegul> terlmann: isobalax.deviantart.com doesnt work.
[03:55] <terlmann> hmm
[03:55] <terlmann> darnit
[03:56] <terlmann> o yea
[03:56] <terlmann> izobolax
[03:56] <terlmann> with a z
[03:58] <terlmann> brb
[04:37] <bersace> kwwii: hi
[04:37] <bersace> sorry, i didn't answered
[04:38] <bersace> so, yes, i mean to migrate to gdm theme to be more consistent with the new background
[04:38] <bersace> same for gnome-session splash (if any)
[04:38] <JustinJoseph> so what is this?
[04:38] <JustinJoseph> Abuntu?
[04:39] <bersace> JustinJoseph: hi
[04:39] <JustinJoseph> hi
[04:39] <bersace> what are you talking about ?
[04:39] <JustinJoseph> what is Abuntu?
[04:39] <kwwii> hi bersace
[04:39] <bersace> dunno
[04:39] <JustinJoseph> lol
[04:39] <JustinJoseph> what's this chat for?
[04:39] <lassegul> JustinJoseph: this is the artwork channel for the official ubuntu
[04:39] <JustinJoseph> I read art, figured it was a chatroom for artists?
[04:39] <JustinJoseph> was I wrong?
[04:39] <bersace> kind of
[04:40] <kwwii> bersace: we can probably tweak the background a bit
[04:40] <bersace> yep
[04:40] <JustinJoseph> so no digital artists here?
[04:40] <JustinJoseph> :p
[04:40] <bersace> kwwii:  just a refresh
[04:40] <kwwii> but I am not sure if sabdfl wants it to be really close to the wallpaper anyway
[04:40] <bersace> :(
[04:40] <lassegul> JustinJoseph: only digital artists here :P
[04:40] <JustinJoseph> ah
[04:40] <_MMA_> JustinJoseph: Ones that want to work on Ubuntu art yes.
[04:40] <JustinJoseph> any examples of anyones art?
[04:40] <JustinJoseph> :p
[04:41] <terlmann> I have a openpg key now :-)
[04:41] <terlmann> bersace : I agree
[04:41] <kwwii> JustinJoseph: this channel is for artists who are interested in working on Ubuntu (and other variants thereof)
[04:41] <bersace> seems that troy_s isn't there
[04:41] <_MMA_> JustinJoseph: It isnt a "general art" channel. ;)
[04:41] <bersace> did he give up ?
[04:41] <JustinJoseph> What is ubuntu?
[04:41] <_MMA_> lol
[04:41] <terlmann> bersace : do you think that the FOSS community in general needs to slow down and stop changing the artwork every minor release ?
[04:42] <bersace> JustinJoseph: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[04:42] <_MMA_> JustinJoseph: How did you come to be here?
[04:42] <JustinJoseph> just a quick description would be great
[04:42] <JustinJoseph> MMA - I did a search on art channels
[04:42] <JustinJoseph> and this came up ;)
[04:42] <bersace> terlmann: i wish that Ubuntu artwork follows a true guideline
[04:42] <JustinJoseph> I run this business http://www.nemesisstudios.com/
[04:42] <bersace> terlmann: 6 month is far too straight for artwork
[04:42] <bersace> terlmann: 2 years is good
[04:43] <bersace> so, for each LTS, we should ends an artwork cycle
[04:43] <terlmann> bersace : wanna help me make one and blackmail kwwii and sabdfl into using it :-)
[04:43] <JustinJoseph> I think I'm in the wrong place
[04:43] <kwwii> bersace: that is basically the plan
[04:43] <bersace> JustinJoseph: i think too
[04:43] <JustinJoseph> sorry for disturbing you fellows
[04:43] <lassegul> JustinJoseph: no problem
[04:43] <JustinJoseph> :)
[04:43] <_MMA_> np
[04:43] <kwwii> JustinJoseph: what were you looking for?
[04:44] <kwwii> oh well
[04:44] <lassegul> lol
[04:44] <bersace> hh
[04:44] <bersace> :)
[04:44] <bersace> kwwii: i thought it was something like that
[04:44] <bersace> but it seems that Ubuntu has still some obscur decision especially regarding artwork
[04:45] <kwwii> bersace: we are going to discuss straightening things out at the meeting on tuesday
[04:45] <bersace> where ?
[04:45] <kwwii> I will set some very concise rules
[04:45] <bersace> seems fschoep gave up too :/
[04:45] <kwwii> in #ubuntu-meeting at 17:00 UTC
[04:45] <bersace> ok
[04:46] <bersace> i shoud go there
[04:48] <lassegul> bersace: where do you live?
[04:48] <bersace> Paris :)
[04:49] <lassegul> bersace: your are utc+2
[04:49] <bersace> lassegul: thanks, where have you got the info ?
[04:50] <lassegul> http://www.worldtimeserver.com/time_converter.aspx?f=UTC
[04:53] <bersace> lassegul: thanks
[04:54] <terlmann> hey all I now have a home page on launchpad
[04:55] <bersace> good
[04:55] <bersace> which url ?
[04:55] <bersace> kwwii: did read some news about gnome-scan ?
[04:55] <bersace> i use PPA to publish latest version !
[04:55] <bersace> :d
[04:55] <bersace> :D
[05:06] <terlmann> hey kwwii
[05:06] <terlmann> is sabdfl@ubuntu.com marks adress ?
[05:11] <terlmann> I have an Ubuntero account now ! I decided to simply rss sabdfl's blog instead of inviting him to ubuntero
[05:12] <terlmann> I was going to ask if I could do a *Fake Mark* like the *Fake Steve* blog, but I decided it would be too much work :-)
[05:45] <lassegul> hey kwwii, i know this is a bit off topic but; how do you fry a snitzel? Hard/soft heat? Do you cut it, too see if its ready?
[05:45] <lassegul> :)
[06:06] <lassegul> never mind
[07:11] <kwwii> re
[07:11] <kwwii> lassegul: I am a schnitzel expert :-)
[07:12] <kwwii> first off, you have to pound the meat very thin - the thinner the better
[07:12] <kwwii> bread it with flour, then egg, then breadcrumbs
[07:12] <kwwii> and fry it in a 50-50 mixture of oil and butter
[07:12] <kwwii> not too hot
[07:13] <kwwii> when it starts to get stiff it is done
[07:13] <kwwii> it should be nice and brown
[07:13] <kwwii> everyone loves my schnitzel ;-)
[07:14] <kwwii> it is the german equivalent to a hamburger
[07:14] <kwwii> s/to/of
[07:14] <troy_s> jeebus there are a lot of folx idling in here atm.
[07:14] <kwwii> if in doubt, order a schnitzel
[07:14] <kwwii> hi troy_s
[07:14] <troy_s> greetz kwwii-el-schnitzel-head.
[07:14] <kwwii> troy_s: they all want my schnitzel recipe
[07:14] <troy_s> lol
[07:15] <troy_s> not surprising -- you live in the motherland of schnitzel now.
[07:15] <kwwii> another amazingly good german foodstuff is curry-wurst
[07:15] <kwwii> fatening as hell though
[07:15] <troy_s> curried sausage?
[07:15] <kwwii> exactly :-)
[07:16] <kwwii> basically a thick sausage kinda like bologne, fried in a pan with a curry ketchup on it
[07:17] <kwwii> that and a dner kebab sandwich make up the standards of german fast-food
[07:17] <kwwii> but enough about food
[07:19] <troy_s> yeah that sounds about as healthy as fresh fruit.
[07:28] <troy_s> i need a bikeshed filter for the forums.
[07:30] <kwwii> hehe, invent that and you might just get rich
[07:31] <troy_s> the forums are wonderful, and the visceral responses are pretty solid.  it gets to be an issue when people pop off about theory without having a droplet of foundation.
[07:32] <troy_s> it also is a bit of a mixmash as the page turned into what appears to be 'hey this is what i can do'
[07:32] <troy_s> as opposed to following a concrete course
[07:33] <troy_s> (as expected, as the lessons learned have since been forgotten by a newer audience)
[07:33] <kwwii> I have a theory about the length of a thread - it is proportionaly related to the amount of bikeshed
[07:34] <troy_s> There certainly is bikeshed, but one can't just flush everything as it has turned into the defacto thread for discussion.
[07:40] <kwwii> getting things back to a normal discussion is pretty hard though - turning a blind eye to the bikeshed is the best way but it is not easy
[08:04] <terlmann> only beef-based food I love is meatloaf :-)
[08:16] <kwwii> lol, none of the food I mentioned had beef in it :p
[10:03] <nothlit`alpha> lassegul: there is certainly not only digital artists here lol. i'd say most of the people in here have some sort of art background
[10:17] <lassegul> nothlit`alpha: im sorry. maybe im mixing the words.
[10:18] <nothlit> lassegul: ahh, ok, i get what you mean then
[10:18] <nothlit> lassegul: what's your native language?
[10:18] <lassegul> nothlit: norwegian
[10:19] <lassegul> i thought that a digtal artist was an artist who does art digitally
[10:20] <lassegul> nothlit: as well as analouge.
[10:20] <lassegul> nothlit: or saying that you are a digital artist doesnt say that you cant also be an artist.
[10:20] <nothlit> nah
[10:21] <nothlit> what happened is that you said there are "only digital artists here"
[10:21] <nothlit> indicating that only artists that at least primarily do digital art reside in the channel
[10:21] <lassegul> nothlit: ok i get your point.
[10:23] <lassegul> hi Misosaki
[10:23] <Misosaki> Hey lassegul
[10:24] <Misosaki> What's up?
[10:24] <lassegul> nothlit was so bored that he had to correct my english. say something funny
[10:24] <lassegul> :)
[10:24] <Misosaki> lols
[10:24] <nothlit> lassegul: lol, no sorry that wasn't my intention
[10:24] <lassegul> nothlit: no worries. im just kidding.
[10:25] <nothlit> oh ok
[10:26] <Misosaki> Can't do sarcasm? Lucky ... such optimism
[10:27] <nothlit> of most sarcasm lol
[10:27] <nothlit> i can do dry
[10:28] <Misosaki> lol
[10:28] <nothlit> hmm, so I guess in the time between now and the meeting we can try to spread the word more
[10:29] <Misosaki> About the meeting or about getting ready for new designs?
[10:29] <lassegul> about the meeting?
[10:29] <lassegul> Misosaki: :)
[10:29] <Misosaki> lassegul: :)
[10:30] <nothlit> i'd say spreading word about the meeting accomplishes both
[10:31] <nothlit> i'm going to talk to the marketing team and see if i can't get it in the newsletter
[10:32] <Misosaki> Forum spammage? lols
[10:34] <Misosaki> Or has that already been covered?
[10:34] <lassegul> Misosaki: not as a thread i think.
[10:35] <Misosaki> wb _MMA_
[10:35] <_MMA_> Yo. :)
[10:38] <Misosaki> Then as someone dressed in a paintbrush costume walking around?
[10:39] <lassegul> Misosaki: no its quoted by 23meg in the "what do you think about the new wallpaper"-thread.
[10:40] <lassegul> Misosaki: hehe. ill check it out.
[10:40] <Misosaki> lassegul: Ah okay
[10:41] <Misosaki> As good a place as any. The digg post might not be a good idea?
[10:43] <lassegul> i dont we should do that with the meeting.
[10:43] <Misosaki> (Too public?) Who should be attending the meeting though?
[10:43] <Misosaki> Besides the artists and those who want to get involved in doing the artwork
[10:44] <lassegul> Misosaki: anyone else?
[10:45] <lassegul> Misosaki: i think we should have a grand meeting, because that will probably hinder discussion
[10:45] <lassegul> *shouldnt
[10:45] <nothlit> well a digg post, even considering the audience can't be too harmful, the sort that will leave scathing comments aren't likely to be the ones that take the time to clear their schedule for a meeting
[10:45] <nothlit> and figure out irc etc
[10:45] <nothlit> and people can't say we haven't tried then
[10:46] <Misosaki> lassegul: Guess just about anyone who has a vested interest in the artwork -- usually Ubuntu users, but not always
[10:46] <nothlit> its up to you guys though, i'll tell you the approaches i try
[10:46] <lassegul> Misosaki: I dont think anyone will be satisfied with the meeting if it ends up in being a rant fest.
[10:47] <lassegul> Misosaki: that doesnt mean i wouldnt have lots of the forum users there.
[10:48] <Misosaki> nothlit: Up to you. Will try lending an extra mouse if you need a splash image to go with a post or something
[10:49] <kwwii> I do not see the point of having too many people who are not involved in the process to attend, what could they contribute?
[10:49] <Misosaki> lassegul: Yeah ... though if the meeting is long enough and we have some semblance of order if other people want to ask questions or suggest something, then it should be okay
[10:50] <kwwii> the point is to discuss ideas for how to improve the processes, not disucuss gutsy or the current artwork
[10:50] <Misosaki> kwwii: Maybe not much, but at least it's an opportunity for them to say something
[10:50] <kwwii> and it is not going to be a time for people to discuss how they want the decision making process to be
[10:50] <kwwii> Misosaki: no, that will do nothing
[10:50] <lassegul> Misosaki: we should include lots of people elsewhere then the meetings. the goal of the meeting must be to get a message through and discuss some visions. we should do the active inclusion elsewhere.
[10:50] <Misosaki> Ah
[10:51] <kwwii> there is no point in discussing this stuff now
[10:51] <kwwii> the point of the meeting is to discuss exactly the topics that I posted (and the additional one)
[10:51] <Misosaki> kwwii: Okay. I trust you'll make it clear at the start of the meeting what it will be (and not be) about.
[10:52] <kwwii> if too many people interupt they will just get kicked from the channel
[10:52] <kwwii> Misosaki: the mail and wiki page with the topics should make that clear
[10:52] <nothlit> kwwii: this is what i'm sending to the newletter https://people.fluxbuntu.org/~nothlit/communitytheme/hardy/newslettersubmission.txt
[10:53] <Misosaki> kwwii: It should, but some people go off topic anyway because they figured they can talk out and be heard.
[10:53] <nothlit> i'm sure some sort of order will be kept?
[10:55] <kwwii> which newsletter?
[10:55] <kwwii> Misosaki: they will be told that they are off-topic and if they do not stop they will be removed from the channel
[10:56] <kwwii> nothlit: I do not like the wording of that text
[10:56] <kwwii> why talk about the discontent
[10:56] <Misosaki> kwwii: nods Okay.
[10:56] <kwwii> I do not see the need for that text
[10:56] <nothlit> kwwii: do you want to reword it? or just take out that sentence
[10:56] <kwwii> post the topics if you want with a notice that we are having a meeting but I do not see the point of posting text like that anywhere
[10:57] <kwwii> and it is not about choosing rules and guidelines for contributors but about talking about how best to communicate the rules and guidelines
[10:58] <kwwii> I will clearly explain the decision making process
[10:58] <kwwii> the rules will also be clearly stated, although in another meeting once we know how best to communicate them
[10:59] <kwwii> and it is not ever going to be a discussion of deciding the artwork direction
[10:59] <kwwii> I will clearly give a direction
[10:59] <kwwii> for anything that is going to be default that is the way that things will work
[11:00] <kwwii> people have already started to post artwork on the wiki for hardy which are, to put it simply, useless
[11:01] <kwwii> they might be nice additions to some community package but they are not in line with what we want as default
[11:02] <kwwii> put it this way: we know what we want we only need help getting there
[11:02] <nothlit> kwwii: ok, i've updated the link
[11:03] <nothlit> Thanks for clearing things up btw
[11:03] <nothlit> or, for correcting my misinterpretation
[11:04] <kwwii> nothlit: sounds much better now
[11:04] <lassegul> "this meeting is not for voicing your discontent, and is about making things better." should maybe leaves too much open for interpretation?
[11:04] <lassegul> *-should
[11:05] <kwwii> yeah, people will probably start posting their "good ideas"
[11:06] <lassegul> "This meeting is not for voicing your discontent, but coordinate the work toward the next release Hardy Heron"
[11:06] <lassegul> or something like that
[11:06] <kwwii> that sounds better
[11:11] <nothlit> ok sent
[11:11] <dmccall> October 2, right?
[11:11] <kwwii> yepp
[11:11] <dmccall> Random question: Who is in charge of the default settings for Compiz?
[11:11] <kwwii> which newsletter, btw?
[11:11] <nothlit> ubuntu-marketing-submissions@lists.ubuntu.com
[11:11] <kwwii> dmccall: canonical...what exactly are you thinking?
[11:12] <nothlit> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/
[11:12] <kwwii> dmccall: you could talk to Macslow
[11:27] <nothlit> kwwii: is there another?
[11:43] <dmccall> kwii: I'm thinking that Compiz's settings fall very closely in line with the rest of the theming, and so default configurations for Desktop Effects should be suggested by the same group that does the rest of the theme ;)
[11:44] <dmccall> For example, the default settings, at the moment, for Compiz in Gutsy are rather different from Ubuntu's regular appearance, and not entirely consistent with themselves
[11:45] <dmccall> (Fonts seem quite varied, for example)
[11:45] <nothlit> does artwork have that much power lol
[11:50] <kwwii> nothlit: another what?
[11:50] <kwwii> dmccall: we are all on the same team although Macslow just joined the team
[11:50] <kwwii> dmccall: you have brought up a very good piont
[11:51] <kwwii> and yes, the artwork team, through myself could improve on this
[11:51] <kwwii> dmccall: feel free to send me any suggestions you have and I can make sure that they get to the right place
[11:53] <nothlit> kwwii: newsletter
[11:54] <_MMA_> kwwii: Some ideas I had. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Artwork/OfficialHardyIncoming/Wallpaper
[11:57] <kwwii> nothlit: to be honest, I have never seen that before
[11:58] <nothlit> lol, i haven't either, just knew there was a newsletter somewhere
[11:58] <kwwii> _MMA_: the marshall cabinet looks awesome
[11:58] <lassegul> kwwii: it has actually been dugg to digg frontpage a couple of times.
[11:58] <kwwii> add perhaps a couple of scraps of paper on top with some funky text or such
[11:59] <_MMA_> :D
[11:59] <kwwii> _MMA_: I am somewhat of a metal freak myself
[11:59] <_MMA_> \m/
[11:59] <kwwii> i played in bands for a long time...been thinking about starting up again
[12:00] <kwwii> I never miss a motrhead concert :-)
[12:00] <_MMA_> kwwii: I looked around Boston for something to hit with Jono while I was there but I couldnt really find anything.
[12:01] <kwwii> lol, it would be soooo cool to go to a concert with Jono and others
[12:01] <kwwii> but he digs death metal
[12:01] <_MMA_> My favorite place in Worcester (45mins away) has mostly Hi-Hop all week. Im into some. Just not the commercial stuff.
[12:02] <kwwii> getting older I have taken to listening to all kinds of music
[12:02] <kwwii> my wife keeps looking at me funny when she comes in my office and i am listening to some old hank williams sr. or such
[12:02] <_MMA_> I grew up on stuff from Motown on up.
[12:02] <kwwii> old hank wrote some fscked up music
[12:02] <_MMA_> :)
[12:03] <_MMA_> Ive been to see Hank III. :)
[12:03] <_MMA_> _He's_ crazy.
[12:03] <kwwii> after living in missouri for so long I hated country but then I found that there is a totally other side to it
[12:03] <kwwii> lol
[12:03] <kwwii> actually I just bought a new microphone today
[12:04] <_MMA_> Well country now, isnt country.
[12:04] <_MMA_> Whatcha buy?
[12:04] <kwwii> my son takes guitar lessons...at his recital they played korn
[12:04] <_MMA_> lol
[12:04] <lassegul> how old is he?
[12:04] <kwwii> I have this mp3 of my son and others playing korn and it rocks
[12:04] <_MMA_> Ibenez 7-string and all?
[12:04] <kwwii> 9
[12:04] <lassegul> 9 and he plays korn. lol
[12:04] <lassegul> nice.
[12:05] <kwwii> it was the guitar teachers idea
[12:05] <kwwii> great teacher
[12:05] <lassegul> school of rock maybe?
[12:06] <kwwii> _MMA_: nope, but it is more like an orchestra of little kids with nylon strings accompanying an electric band
[12:06] <_MMA_> Cute. :)
[12:06] <kwwii> they learn classical guitar but they always go back to learning newer stuff to keep them interested
[12:06] <_MMA_> Its been neat to see Korn evolve. I was a fan of the 1st 2 albums. Saw them in tons of dinky clubs 94-98.
[12:07] <kwwii> they also played F.U.C.K from the bloodhound gang
[12:07] <_MMA_> lol!!
[12:07] <kwwii> something like that can only happen in germany
[12:07] <_MMA_> Best guitarists I know can play various styles. Jazz/Blues is usually a good base.
[12:11] <kwwii> yeah, I couldn't get into jazz when I was younger for some reason
[12:11] <kwwii> I went to college on a music scholarship
[12:12] <kwwii> I played piano mainly but also trumpet, baby tuba, bass and guitar
[12:12] <lassegul> kwwii: and you went on to be a chef and then your interest for art led you to computers?
[12:12] <_MMA_> Im a Art Blakey fan. I have some live stuff with him and Winton Marcellas.
[12:13] <lassegul> kwwii: thats some wierd career.
[12:15] <kwwii> lassegul: and I finshed with a degree in civil engineering
[12:16] <kwwii> then I started cooking
[12:16] <_MMA_> Wow. :)
[12:16] <lassegul> kwwii: and you are how old?
[12:16] <lassegul> (if I may ask?
[12:16] <_MMA_> Ancient. In his 30's. ;)
[12:17] <lassegul> a regular leonardo davinci then :)
[12:17] <kwwii> met a german girl, fell in love, sold everything and moved to germany....opened several restaurants...got sick of that, started a company making tv commercials and music videos
[12:17] <_MMA_> kwwii is a "Hoff" fan. :D
[12:17] <kwwii> got a job at suse after my son was born to pay the bills
[12:18] <kwwii> _MMA_: lol, anything but that
[12:18] <_MMA_> :D
[12:21] <lassegul> i need sleep. You guys have fun and play safe. good night.