[01:19] <AaronL2> for instance, there might be multiple wireless access points
[01:19] <AaronL2> and you want a different IP address for each one
[01:19] <AaronL2> or a proxy for one but not the other
[01:19] <AaronL2> or a different WEP key, etc.
[01:19] <ToddBrandt> well gnome just pops up the root user password dialog when you kick off network mananger, we could do the same things here but the consensus is that it's annoying
[01:20] <AaronL2> yeah, and I wouldn't expect the user to know it on an actual device
[01:20] <AaronL2> the OEM might not want that
[01:20] <ToddBrandt> actually all that is already changeable by nm-applet, it's pretty slick
[01:20] <AaronL2> true, but once you change with nm-applet
[01:21] <AaronL2> does it remember static IP address, DHCP, proxy servers, etc.?
[01:21] <AaronL2> that are specific to that connection?
[01:21] <ToddBrandt> yep
[01:21] <AaronL2> then what do you need the network control panel applet for?
[01:21] <ToddBrandt> the question I don't know the answer to is where
[01:22] <ToddBrandt> i.e. what actual files contain those settings and why is network configuration not using those instead of digging into a root-user area of the fs
[01:23] <AaronL2> ToddBrandt:  which package installs the network icon in the status bar?
[01:23] <ToddBrandt> oh I see, it saves in gconf and the gnome keyring and those changes are picked up by the NetworkManager daemon
[01:24] <ToddBrandt> network-manager installs the daemon, network-manager-gnome installs the nm-applet status bar applet.
[01:24] <ToddBrandt> we're building network-manager-gnome on moblin temporarily as we make some minor tweaks, so if you apt-get the version should be 0.6.5-moblin0
[01:25] <AaronL2> well, /usr/sbin/NetworkManager seems to be being run as root
[01:25] <AaronL2> and the applet probably communicates with it
[01:26] <ToddBrandt> the configuration applet must be circumventing NetworkManager and using the if scripts
[01:27] <AaronL2> also, I think it uses dbus to communicate
[01:27] <AaronL2> I doubt it even knows about network manager
[01:27] <AaronL2> but of course, if you already have nm-applets, why do you even need the network control panel applet?
[01:28] <AaronL2> the way I see it, it might be useful for just getting some current information about the network settings
[01:28] <AaronL2> but any changes are made using nm-applets
[01:30] <ToddBrandt> hmm, that's an interesting point
[01:30] <AaronL2> still, having two separate network thingies might confuse the user
[01:30] <AaronL2> might be best just to have one, nm-applets
[01:30] <ToddBrandt> It's really on there for advanced users who have some wierd non-standard network
[01:30] <AaronL2> but, the changes would be lost when the user switched to a different wireless network
[01:30] <AaronL2> or, if not lost, possibly conflict
[01:31] <ToddBrandt> nm-applets stores all the changes in gconf, you can switch back and forth with a single click
[01:31] <AaronL2> right, but you were referring to advanced users who have some weird non-standard network
[01:32] <ToddBrandt> nm-applet doesn't allow you to set up a static ip though, or manually add in DNS servers
[01:32] <AaronL2> such settings as you were referring to are probably only accessible via the network control panel applet
[01:32] <AaronL2> and if you change them there, I don't think they will be remembered or even known by nm-applets
[01:32] <ToddBrandt> oh, yea right
[01:32] <AaronL2> so, the user switches to another hotspot
[01:32] <AaronL2> and changes made to network control panel applet could actually conflict
[01:33] <AaronL2> I don't think it is realistic that such special situations will come up
[01:33] <AaronL2> I think it's mostly going to DHCP via a wireless network
[01:33] <AaronL2> s/to/to be
[01:34] <ToddBrandt> interestingly, gnome-nettool is already available and provides all the info on the connections
[01:35] <ToddBrandt> if it's just a read-only applet we want that might be a better starting point
[01:35] <AaronL2> except that it crashed when I clicked the ping tab
[01:35] <AaronL2> and it isn't ported to Hildon :-)
[01:35] <ToddBrandt> exactly, it needs hildonization
[01:35] <ToddBrandt> But we could easily add it into moblin applets
[01:35] <AaronL2> yeah, perhaps
[01:38] <ToddBrandt> AaronL2: oh, and network configuration apparantly uses liboobs as its interface
[01:38] <ToddBrandt> Liboobs is a lightweight library that provides a GObject based interface
[01:38] <ToddBrandt> to system-tools-backends. It's completely abstracted of the
[01:38] <ToddBrandt> communication and authentication details, making it easy for
[01:38] <ToddBrandt> applications to integrate with the system details.
[01:38] <ToddBrandt> sounds kindof hacky
[01:41] <AaronL2> hmm
[01:41] <AaronL2> liboops? :-)
[04:07] <defendguin> hi i was thinking of installing ubuntu mobile on my dell axim 5x  i know it has a 400mhz intel processor but i don't know if it is x86   
[04:07] <mjg59> It's not
[04:08] <mjg59> The Axims are all ARM
[04:08] <mjg59> We don't support ARM at the moment
[04:08] <defendguin> what a bummer
[04:10] <defendguin> it doesn't have a wireless card built in what wireless cards are supported for these devices?
[04:11] <defendguin> what other distributions use the gnome mobile and embedded platform?
[04:14] <mjg59> As far as I know, the Linux port to the X5 never got to a usable state
[04:14] <mjg59> It was missing a native bootloader and proper support for the flash
[04:15] <defendguin> damn
[04:16] <defendguin> my ipaq doesn't even have a slot for a wireless card
[04:16] <defendguin> i installed gpe on it but it was not very useful without a network connection and very buggy 
[07:35] <dholbach> good morning
[12:53] <asac> ToddBrandt: ok, can you please target the changelog for gutsy upload (changelog: UNRELEASED -> gutsy + update changelog date) and commit that to git?
[12:57] <ToddBrandt> ok
[01:01] <ToddBrandt> asac: this is the changelog entry I;m pushing:
[01:01] <ToddBrandt> moblin-applets (0.7) gutsy; urgency=low
[01:01] <ToddBrandt>   * added man page, fixed all the remaining lintian package
[01:01] <ToddBrandt>     warnings and errors.
[01:01] <ToddBrandt>   * moving to ubuntu gutsy
[01:01] <ToddBrandt>  -- Todd Brandt <todd.e.brandt@intel.com>  Thu, 27 Sep 2007 10:55:32 +0000
[01:02] <ToddBrandt> it;s pushed
[02:59] <asac> ToddBrandt: ok great
[03:00] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: can you test today's daily on your q1 and make sure you see hildonised apps?
[03:01] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Sure, I'll start to download now.
[03:01] <Mithrandir> thanks
[03:05] <asac> ToddBrandt: hmmm you left over an UNRELEASED changelog ... maybe merge them next time
[03:06] <agoliveira> Hmmm... will take some time tought... the download is kind of slugish...
[03:08] <asac> ToddBrandt: uploaded
[03:29] <asac> ToddBrandt: whats your launchpad id?
[03:34] <asac> Mithrandir: gksu is not available in UME default install? Whats the idea?
[03:41] <Mithrandir> asac: I guess we could make it be.
[03:54] <asac> Mithrandir: ok ... i would need it to include the nm-applet patch todd submitted (to open UME network configuration).
[03:56] <Mithrandir> sounds like NM should depend appropriately and it'll be pulled in
[03:57] <asac> ok ... fine.
[05:14] <bspencer_> kwwii:   you on ?
[05:21] <HappyCamp> asac, Is moblin-applets good for you?
[05:24] <kwwii> bspencer_: I am heading out the door...be back in about an hour
[05:24] <bspencer_> kwwii: ok.  see ya !
[05:25] <bspencer_> kwwii:   I was just going to chat about themes :)
[05:25] <bspencer_> a never-ending topic
[05:25] <bspencer_> but can wait.
[05:49] <HappyCamp> dholbach, any change you might be willing to help me get moblin-chat into Ubunut?
[05:49] <dholbach> it should be already
[05:49] <dholbach> currently in a meeting, but I'll check its state in a bit
[05:49] <HappyCamp> okay, thanks :)
[05:50] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$ apt-cache showsrc moblin-chat | grep ^Dir
[05:50] <dholbach> Directory: pool/universe/m/moblin-chat
[05:50] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$ apt-cache show moblin-chat | grep ^File
[05:50] <dholbach> Filename: pool/universe/m/moblin-chat/moblin-chat_0.11.2ubuntu2_i386.deb
[05:50] <dholbach> daniel@lovegood:~$ 
[05:50] <dholbach> should be there
[05:56] <HappyCamp> Woo hoo!  Only four more minutes to meeting time!!!! :D
[05:56] <HappyCamp> dholbach, thanks.
[05:57] <Mithrandir> indeed.
[05:57] <dholbach> HappyCamp: I uploaded it, when we were all in Boston
[05:57] <HappyCamp> Ah, so we need to push a newer version.
[05:58] <Mithrandir> amitk,asac,kwwii: Around?  Meeting in two
[05:58] <HappyCamp> Silly me.  Okay.  Now I remember.  So I need to to look at that patch file again.
[05:58] <Mithrandir> hiya Mauri
[05:58] <mawahlen> Hi Tollef
[06:00] <HappyCamp> agoliveira, I'm just wierd like that ;)  Unfortunately I have a phone meeting at the same time :(
[06:00] <agoliveira> That meeting for sure going to be fun :)
[06:01] <Mithrandir> mawahlen: do you have all your people here?
[06:01] <bspencer_> only missing rusty
[06:01] <mawahlen> Rusty isn't at his desk...
[06:01] <mawahlen> still looking for him
[06:02] <bspencer_> he was sick yesterday
[06:02] <bspencer_> maybe he didn't pull through
[06:02] <Mithrandir> and we're still missing Charlie
[06:02] <Mithrandir> hi rusty
[06:02] <rustyl> morning
[06:02] <rustyl> or afternoon
[06:02] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: BTW, the daily image seems to have some sort od splash problem as the screen flashes like crazy during boot but boots normally otherwise for what I can see.
[06:03] <amitk> I am here
[06:04] <agoliveira> hmmm... also can't switch to a console....
[06:04] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: on the Q1?
[06:04] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Yep
[06:05] <Mithrandir> hm, ok.
[06:05] <Mithrandir> hello Don_Johnson
[06:05] <Mithrandir> Don_Johnson: have you seen Charlie today?
[06:05] <Don_Johnson> hello,  yes charlie is in his office, and should be calling in
[06:06] <Mithrandir> ok, good
[06:06] <bspencer_> besides, Charlie would never like that
[06:06] <bspencer_> oh, never mind, here he is
[06:06] <Charliefjohnson> bspencer_: Like what?
[06:07] <bspencer_> Charliefjohnson: just kidding :)  welcome
[06:07] <Mithrandir> hiya Charlie
[06:07] <Mithrandir> let's start then.
[06:07] <Mithrandir> #startmeeting
[06:07] <MootBot> Meeting started at 17:07. The chair is Mithrandir.
[06:07] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC] , [IDEA] , [ACTION] , [AGREED] , [LINK] , [VOTE] 
[06:08] <Mithrandir> I don't see any extra agenda items on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/Meeting .  dholbach has requested to go first with his item.
[06:08] <Mithrandir> so,
[06:08] <dholbach> I just have one quick agenda item; I'm in the Community Council meeting at the same time. I wanted to remind you all of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess - it seems that the stream of uploads that concern ubuntu-mobile is quite steady, but it'd really help to get you all as Ubuntu developers, if you did some uploads yourself using the usual process. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment outlines how to get there.
[06:08] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  Using SponsorshipProcess (DanielHolbach)
[06:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Using SponsorshipProcess (DanielHolbach) 
[06:08] <dholbach> Does anybody have any questions about that?
[06:08] <agoliveira> Oh... that was quick :)
[06:09] <bspencer_> dholbach:  I understand that we need to fill out a long FreezeException bug
[06:09] <bspencer_> dholbach: but I haven't gone through the SponsorshipProcess 
[06:09] <dholbach> bspencer_: for new upstream versions?
[06:09] <Mithrandir> bspencer_: that depends on your change, but for some cases, yes, you do.
[06:09] <dholbach> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess explains who to talk to and what kind of information to provide
[06:09] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess explains who to talk to and what kind of information to provide 
[06:10] <dholbach> Please talk to me about that: ping me on IRC, drop me a mail; I'm happy to help you get started with whatever you need to get into Ubuntu
[06:10] <robr_home> hi everyone
[06:11] <agoliveira> Yeah, ask dholbach because seb128 is too picky! :)
[06:11] <Charliefjohnson> dholbach:  I can't really comment since I understand what we're talking about.  I'll have to read that web page.
[06:11] <dholbach> agoliveira: tssssss :)
[06:11] <dholbach> Charliefjohnson: that's fine - let me know if you have any questions
[06:11] <ian_brasil> cool, i wanna be a MOTU too
[06:11] <Mithrandir> I'd like to echo what Daniel's saying here, what we want to happen is you guys to be able to contribute directly so uploads happen smoother and we don't end up blocking on people.
[06:11] <agoliveira> ian_brasil: Get in the line :)
[06:12] <Charliefjohnson> Mithrandir: Oh - this is starting to make more sense.
[06:12] <dholbach> basically other will upload packages for you (you send patches / packages in by bug reports that have the right people subscribed to it), once you have gone through the process a few times; you can ask the MOTU Council to get an approved MOTU (ubuntu developer) yourself
[06:13] <agoliveira> dholbach: That's a good point: you have to ask or this is something the council pay attention to?
[06:13] <dholbach> agoliveira: once your sponsors (people who do uploads for you) tell you "man, you're doing well, you should be able to do this yourself", you should ask the MC; also a good idea to CC your sponsors
[06:14] <agoliveira> dholbach: Got it.
[06:14] <dholbach> any more questions?
[06:15] <Charliefjohnson> No
[06:15] <Mithrandir> ok, moving on then
[06:15] <dholbach> that's all from me; feel free to ping me and talk to me if you need anyting
[06:15] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  Action items from last meeting
[06:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Action items from last meeting 
[06:16] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: you were to look at the packaging of the theme based on what's on LP, what's happened with that?
[06:16] <bspencer_> LP
[06:16] <Mithrandir> lp = launchpad
[06:17] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: I'm modifing the theme-tools to use this theme as a base so one can modify it and generate a new theme easily, ready to upload.
[06:17] <bspencer_> agoliveira: is this kwwii 's theme?
[06:17] <agoliveira> Yes
[06:18] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: it's ready to upload?  Have you pushed it into the SponsorshipProcess?
[06:19] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Not yet, it still have some issues with the resulting package. Sometimes the splitter crashes.
[06:19] <agoliveira> But shouldn't take much longer, I'll return to it as soon as I finish the tests I'm doing with the new images.
[06:19] <Mithrandir> thanks.
[06:19] <agoliveira> No problem.
[06:20] <bspencer_> agoliveira: does this theme include the marquee?
[06:20] <bspencer_> we can take it offline ... nevermind
[06:20] <agoliveira> bspencer_: I don't remember seeing it.
[06:20] <Mithrandir> Charliefjohnson: you were to talk with Steve and Bryce about PSB/exa 2.1; how's that gone?
[06:21] <Charliefjohnson> Mithrandir: I was out of town Mon-Wed so no.  
[06:21] <Charliefjohnson> Mithrandir:  With it looking like UME is going to rebase on Hardy - it seams to be a mute point though.
[06:21] <Mithrandir> ok.  This still needs resolving, right?
[06:22] <Mithrandir> ok, so we'll drop it then
[06:22] <Mithrandir> thanks
[06:22] <Mithrandir> ToddBrandt: you sent an email about gconf and dbus to the list; is there anything which needs further discussion or clarification there?
[06:23] <ToddBrandt> I don't think so, bspencer_?
[06:23] <bspencer_> oy, did I see that email?
[06:23] <bspencer_> was that asking whether we need dbus for gconf?
[06:23] <ToddBrandt> I sent it to the ubuntu-mobile list
[06:24] <ToddBrandt> basically the idea is that we need to wait until we're using gconf more aggressively so we can compare the speed benefit/loss by relying on DBUS instead of CORBA
[06:24] <Mithrandir> ok, sounds fine to me.
[06:24] <bspencer_> yes, right.  I want gconf+dbus, but ToddBrandt said it is a couple days work.  We are going to focus on it after the current stuff
[06:24] <ToddBrandt> bspencer_: right
[06:24] <Mithrandir> sounds fine to me.
[06:24] <bspencer_> k
[06:25] <Mithrandir> I was to send Charliefjohnson a list of licences for UME stuff; we discussed that offline last week, so I believe that's resolved now?
[06:26] <Charliefjohnson> Mithrandir:  The GPLv3 issue is being worked outside this meeting.   Canonical is suppose to give what they believe is the GPLv3 roadmap for packages you're including.
[06:26] <Mithrandir> Charliefjohnson: ack
[06:27] <Mithrandir> moving on then.
[06:27] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  Status reports
[06:27] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status reports 
[06:27] <Mithrandir> cwong1: can you please start to send your status report a bit earlier than just when the meeting starts?
[06:28] <bspencer_> cwong1: is such a slacker!
[06:28] <cwong1> Mithrandir: wil do.. sorry
[06:28] <bspencer_> always 2mins late
[06:28] <Mithrandir> cwong1: thanks.
[06:28] <Mithrandir> bspencer_: can you give us an update on chat?
[06:28] <Mithrandir> ah, you did to the list, sorry.
[06:28] <bspencer_> well, moblin-chat is functional
[06:28] <bspencer_> and I think it has been uploaded
[06:28] <bspencer_> yes, it is in the status
[06:29] <Mithrandir> moblin-chat | 0.11.2ubuntu2 | gutsy/universe | source, amd64, i386, powerpc
[06:29] <Mithrandir> it's in gutsy
[06:29] <bspencer_> Mithrandir: thanks
[06:29] <Mithrandir> if it needs updating, HappyCamp should be pushing for that
[06:29] <bspencer_> Mithrandir: right I saw him say that
[06:30] <Mithrandir> Charliefjohnson: I didn't see an update about mobile-hw-decode, is there any progress to report apart from "working on it"?
[06:31] <Charliefjohnson> Mithrandir:  hw-video-decode will be made available for upload into UME as an Beta around Oct. 12th.  Same as graphics.
[06:32] <bspencer_> Charliefjohnson: any indication of the performance of the 3D graphics on that date?
[06:32] <bspencer_> will an OpenGL desktop be functional?
[06:32] <bspencer_> with limited animations ?
[06:33] <Charliefjohnson> bspencer_: it should be.  That is the first time the 3D driver will be available.  There is an issue with redistribution license that we're working since the 3D driver is closed.
[06:34] <bspencer_> hm, what does that mean for Ubuntu?
[06:34] <Charliefjohnson> It means we have to get our ducks in a row as far as the license.  We're looking at modeling the license to be similar to the firmware license Intel's uses for WiFi.
[06:35] <Charliefjohnson> agoliveira: What's the Nokia effect you mention?
[06:35] <Mithrandir> Charliefjohnson: having the licence ready as early as possible so we have time to review it would be very useful.
[06:36] <agoliveira> Charliefjohnson: There was a lot of developers that fled from N770/N800 due the closeness of some parts of the system.
[06:36] <Charliefjohnson> Mithrandir: This Intel legal beavers are working on it right now.  
[06:36] <agoliveira> But this is an issue for another time, I guess.
[06:37] <bspencer_> agoliveira: "fled"  
[06:37] <Mithrandir> Charliefjohnson: ok.
[06:37] <bspencer_> sounds dramatic
[06:37] <amitk> agoliveira: N800 does not use the 3D acceleration HW, they do use the DSP though.
[06:37] <agoliveira> amitk: I didn't mean to compare the hardware part but the closeness problem :)
[06:37] <Mithrandir> can we move on?
[06:38] <agoliveira> Sure
[06:38] <Charliefjohnson> amitk: N800 uses a PowerVR 3D graphics core ?  If so, they had the same issue we did.
[06:38] <Mithrandir> I think that covers the status reports missing from the mailing list.
[06:39] <Mithrandir> unless somebody feels I've missed them?
[06:39] <Charliefjohnson> Mithrandir:  Was there a power policy management update?  Did the blueprint get created?
[06:39] <Mithrandir> Charliefjohnson: the power-management-in-ubuntu spec?
[06:39] <Mithrandir> amitk: ^^
[06:40] <amitk> Charliefjohnson: no they don't use the HW at all for the exact reason - That PowerVR isn't willing to open the driver..
[06:40] <Charliefjohnson> amitk: that is why our's is closed also.
[06:40] <amitk> Mithrandir: The spec was being driven by Intel AFAIK
[06:40] <kwwii> re
[06:41] <Charliefjohnson> bspencer_:  Is Rusty still on the hook for PPM ?
[06:41] <rustyl> an implementation of the Power Policy Manager was officially launched on the new lesswatts site
[06:42] <Charliefjohnson> rustyl: What about the UME blueprint ?
[06:42] <rustyl> and this friday this ppm implementation will be ready to start the process for pushing into ubuntu
[06:42] <rustyl> Charliefjohnson, that still needs to be done
[06:42] <rustyl> but it's just going to reflect the project page 
[06:42] <Charliefjohnson> rustyl: Do you have a target ??  It's been on the TODO list for quite a while.
[06:43] <rustyl> target?
[06:43] <rustyl> target date for the blueprint?  is that what you are asking?
[06:43] <Charliefjohnson> rustyl: Target date for getting the blueprint in place.  
[06:43] <rustyl> friday
[06:43] <Mithrandir> as in, Tomorrow?
[06:43] <rustyl> yeap
[06:44] <Mithrandir> sounds good to me
[06:44] <amitk> rustyl: could you send an email to the list when this is done?
[06:44] <rustyl> yes
[06:45] <amitk> rustyl: thanks
[06:45] <rustyl> for those that want a sneak preview... see http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/power-policy/power-policy_works.php
[06:46] <Mithrandir> interesting.
[06:47] <rustyl> and the source is at http://www.lesswatts.org/repos/projects/ppm.git/
[06:47] <Mithrandir> does anybody have any more items for the agenda?
[06:47] <Mithrandir> if not, I think we're done.
[06:47] <asac> thanks
[06:47] <Mithrandir> adjourned
[06:47] <Mithrandir> #endmeeting
[06:47] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 17:47.
[06:48] <Mithrandir> woo, way less than an hour.  We're getting good at this
[06:48] <Mithrandir> heh
[06:48] <Mithrandir> slacker. :-P
[06:49] <ian_brasil> i have written a porting tutorial for C..i will post it at the weekend just incase someone was thinking of writing one
[06:49] <bspencer_> agoliveira: if I have a non-lpia chroot, can I change it so that I can build an LPIA app ?
[06:49] <bspencer_> agoliveira: or do I have to chagne the debian/rules file?
[06:49] <Mithrandir> bspencer_: the easiest is to just rebuild the chroot
[06:49] <agoliveira> bspencer_: In the case, the later would be better
[06:50] <agoliveira> Well, that is for sure the better way but if you don't want to put away the i386 chroot...
[06:50] <kwwii> bspencer_: did you need something earlier?
[06:50] <bspencer_> agoliveira: I wanted to apologize for being somewhat disjoint lately
[06:51] <bspencer_> agoliveira: so many things coming to a head and I'm swamped!  
[06:51] <agoliveira> bspencer_: No problem :)
[06:51] <bspencer_> agoliveira: but I want to go through all the apps you've hildonized
[06:51] <HappyCamp> bspencer_, when is that new UI going to be down :P
[06:51] <bspencer_> and we have a few guys that want to help out with these, so I want to get them setup to do so
[06:51] <bspencer_> agoliveira: for example, clayne asked recently about helping with email.  
[06:52] <agoliveira> Looks like that neither the daily build nor the image-creator images for lpia are working on the Q1.
[06:52] <agoliveira> bspencer_: Yes, I already answered that
[06:52] <bspencer_> agoliveira: so I was going to point him at claws to check it out and see if there were places he could improve.
[06:52] <bspencer_> agoliveira: I saw your reply
[06:52] <bspencer_> :)
[06:52] <bspencer_> kwwii: howdy sir
[06:52] <bspencer_> kwwii: I was going to ask about theme stuff.  When you made your theme, did it include the marquee?
[06:52] <agoliveira> bspencer_: For sure. It needs work on the dialogs in general that don't appear correctly on the Q1 for instance.
[06:53] <bspencer_> agoliveira: ok.  good place to start.  nice and simple.
[06:53] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: ok, I'll spend time fixing that tomorrow, don't worry too much about it today.
[06:53] <bspencer_> agoliveira: does the image-creator LPIA image work in Xephyr?
[06:53] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Sure.
[06:53] <agoliveira> bspencer_: Didn't try.
[06:54] <kwwii> bspencer_: nope, it is not in the template yet
[06:54] <agoliveira> bspencer_: On Q1 it just freezes with a flashing screen.
[06:54] <bspencer_> kwwii: where do we draw the line on pieces that go in the theme?  For example, what if I create a new marquee plugin, how does thta get themed?
[06:54] <bspencer_> agoliveira: its a feature ;)
[06:54] <kwwii> agoliveira: did you find time to finish package the theme?
[06:54] <HappyCamp> bspencer_, any objection to me making melow LPIA only?
[06:54] <bspencer_> agoliveira: emergency beacon
[06:55] <bspencer_> HappyCamp: none from me
[06:55] <agoliveira> bspencer_: :-D
[06:55] <bspencer_> HappyCamp: I thikn that makes sense
[06:55] <kwwii> bspencer_: I think if one wants to add some new widget the stuff would go in the template and the layout file would have to be changed
[06:55] <HappyCamp> Okay.
[06:55] <agoliveira> kwwii: Not yet. I have some issues with the splitter.
[06:55] <kwwii> bspencer_: naturally, the icons would go with the icon theme
[06:55] <agoliveira> kwwii: But it shouldn't take much longer.
[06:55] <bspencer_> kwwii: will our main theme be separate from our icon theme?
[06:55] <kwwii> agoliveira: cool, once we get the done we need to set it as default
[06:55] <agoliveira> kwwii: Ok.
[06:55] <bspencer_> like mobile-ken-theme and mobile-ken-icons
[06:56] <kwwii> bspencer_: for now I have named it ume-basic...both the hildon theme and the icon theme can share that name I guess
[06:56] <patm> HappyCamp: when would you go lpia only?
[06:56] <bspencer_> kwwii: same package?  or two different packages?
[06:57] <kwwii> bspencer_: because we are going to use tango as a base our ume-basic icon theme would only be a few specific icons for ume itself
[06:57] <kwwii> bspencer_: ideally we would have different packages which are bundled in some metapackage
[06:57] <kwwii> if not we just put them all in one package with scripts to install the right places, the right way
[06:57] <bspencer_> kwwii: ok.  I saw that in the icon configuration file.  Can it include tango and "hildon" ?  (sdk-default-icons pkg) Or do we no longer need hildon icons when you are done?
[06:58] <kwwii> that depends on how many of the hildon icons we want to use
[06:58] <kwwii> we might want to keep it and put something ahead of that in the heirarcha
[06:58] <kwwii> y
[06:59] <bspencer_> yes, ok.  having hildon around as a backup might be nice for apps ported from maemo that have an assumption
[06:59] <bspencer_> backup = fallback
[06:59] <kwwii> bspencer_: right, I think that we will find the same true for the hildon widget theme
[06:59] <bspencer_> can themes have a fallback too?
[06:59] <kwwii> in the end it comes down to how we handle the policy of being able to install 3rd party apps
[08:35] <pjm> Mithrandir, are you there
[08:35] <Mithrandir> pjm: yes
[08:36] <pjm> Mithrandir, new subject, do the nightly menlow builds include all the apps and the flash ui?
[08:37] <mjg59> pjm: We don't have permission to distribute the non-free flash
[08:38] <Mithrandir> pjm: they include the same as the mccaslin builds, but with a different kernel
[08:38] <Mithrandir> so no flash plugin by default
[08:38] <pjm> ok, but everything else I assume, all apps...
[08:39] <pjm> and are they currently lpia or 386?
[08:39] <Mithrandir> they should be there, yes
[08:39] <Mithrandir> what are you asking about?  All packages in the current dailies are lpia packages.
[08:39] <Mithrandir> you can't (reasonably) mix and match packages of multiple architectures.
[08:39] <pjm> right, again I am behind the lpia curve
[08:41] <pjm> Mithrandir, so how does it come up, what is show at boot? 
[08:42] <Mithrandir> the same UI you get today with the "please install flash plugin"
[08:42] <pjm> got it, thanks
[08:42] <Mithrandir> (except menlow's currently broken, so there you get X looping, but that's in the pipe to be fixed)
[08:43] <pjm> what package is broken?
[08:44] <Mithrandir> the kernel/linux-ubuntu-modules; the psb module is missing
[08:44] <pjm> yikes
[08:49] <AaronL2> Mithrandir:  when do you think you might push up a new samsung-q1-ultra-config package?
[08:49] <Mithrandir> AaronL2: now?
[08:49] <AaronL2> sure :-)
[08:49] <AaronL2> btw, I noticed that Rusty made the same change a few check-ins ago
[08:49] <AaronL2> it's in the git log for xorg.conf
[08:52] <Mithrandir> ok, uploaded
[10:31] <agoliveira> Bye guys. I'm a little feverish today (I think I got a flu) so I'll just eat and tuck in earlier.
[10:31] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: get well
[10:32] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Thanks. The worse was last night anyway so I should be fine in the morning.
[12:46] <AaronL2> anyone here?  there is a dependency issue--no way to install mobile-basic-flash
[12:46] <AaronL2> it depends on libxul0d
[12:47] <AaronL2> libxul0d depends on libxul-common, but the dependency is such that it wants a version of libxul-common that isn't in the repository
[12:47] <AaronL2> this for the menlow-lpia platform
[12:58] <AaronL2> bspencer_:  did you see my messages about the dependency issue when installing fsets?
[01:00] <bspencer_> AaronL2, no, do I need to?
[01:12] <AaronL2> no, just chatted with you about the issue