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galileoI need advice/suggestions for getting the TV Out working on my old All-In-Wonder 8500...  or for someone to tell me it's not possible so I can quit wasting my time.02:44
Tariafaik, all-in-wonder cards aren't supported well at all under linux02:45
galileoah, that sucks.  I've seen some references to success stories, but the instructions are all pretty thin and linux video configurations are about as far from my strong points as is possible.02:47
galileoMaybe it's finally time to ditch this old card and go buy some cheap new thing.02:47
galileoAny suggestions for what works most readily?  (Cheap, no need for HD, it's going in a slow computer anyway)02:49
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Lunar_LampWhen I start mythfrontend I get an error that mythtv-setup does not appear to have been run - do I want to run it now.  So I run it, configure, exit, and then mythfrontend asks again when I try to run it.02:53
Lunar_LampWhat's going on?02:53
Tarigalileo, the pvr-150 is a good choice02:54
tgm4883Tari, I think he needs something with TV out03:04
tgm4883galileo, I suggest the Hauppauge card with TV out, it's either the PVR-250, or PVR-350, I dont remember which03:04
TariI got a nvidia 6200 with a composite (RCA) output03:04
TariPVR-350 has the TV-out03:05
tgm4883I knew it was one of the two03:05
tgm4883Lunar_Lamp, is this a mythbuntu setup or a gutsy setup with mythtv installed03:05
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Lunar_LampWell, I installed mythtv a while ago, upgraded to gutsy and latest stuff, had issues so removed all the myth packages, and installed ubuntu-mythtv-frontend and mythtv-backend03:06
Lunar_Lamp(I think those are the package names)03:06
Lunar_LampEverything seems to be working fine, except for that error message, and I cannot watch TV as I just get a blank screen.03:06
Lunar_LampI've just repaired the keybindings database, but not sure if that would have been relevant to teh error I was getting.03:07
tgm4883Lunar_Lamp, I came across that while writing the gutsy to mythbuntu guide although I wasn't sure if it was related to it being in my VM.  Care to write a bug report?03:08
galileoLunar, I'm getting the same thing from my fresh mythbuntu install... I just haven't had gotten over my other issues to look at it yet.  :-)03:08
tgm4883superm1_, did you see this ^^03:08
superm1_tgm4883, i just waled in03:08
superm1_what happens?03:08
tgm4883<Lunar_Lamp> When I start mythfrontend I get an error that mythtv-setup does not appear to have been run - do I want to run it now.  So I run it, configure, exit, and then mythfrontend asks again when I try to run it.03:08
superm1_ah yes, the same thing you were getting last night tgm488303:08
Lunar_LampI'm not sure if I'm glad to be in good company or not!03:08
superm1_can one of you guys file a bug against the mythtv source package?03:09
superm1_i'll investigate as soon as i can with it03:09
tgm4883galileo just said he had the same problem on a mythbuntu install, but im not sure where he would have gotten it from03:09
superm1_i have a feeling i know what it is03:09
superm1_hopefully a quick fix :)03:09
tgm4883Lunar_Lamp, are you going to file a bug report?  Otherwise i'll do it after dinner03:09
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Lunar_LampI'm thinking of dropping the whole database and starting the configuration again, but that seems a little radical.03:10
Lunar_Lamptgm4883: er, where do you want me to file the bug report? launchpad?03:10
Lunar_LampIt's 2am here though, so I was about to call it a night :-/03:10
superm1_launchpad yes03:11
superm1_well if you've got a few, it will be most appreciated (and less likely to be looked over) :)03:11
Lunar_LampHmm, ok, not sure exactly what to file in the bug report, but I'll see if I can get around to it in the next 30msin or so03:12
superm1_awesome thanks03:13
superm1_just file exactly what you did03:13
superm1_which user you were when you did it03:13
superm1_and such03:13
superm1_okay back home for me now03:16
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bendaileytgm4883: any news on bittorrent?03:39
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tgm4883bendailey, did you not get my message yesterday?03:53
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bendaileytgm4883_laptop: no sorry my laptop crashed while I was away04:08
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bendaileytgm4883_laptop: I will check the irc logs tomorrow thanks04:10
bendaileygood night everyone04:10
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MythbuntuGuest25I have a question05:16
MythbuntuGuest25What are my options when xserver fails to work?05:16
MythbuntuGuest25I have a PCI NVidia card (5200 or something)...05:16
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foxxbuntuevening superm107:46
foxxbuntuI think I just broke the land speed record for fatties everywhere07:47
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foxxbuntusuperm1, how would you provide a patch to an upstream?07:55
superm1to what upstream?07:55
superm1um what for?07:56
foxxbuntuwell I was wondering if anyone has taken care of bug 13283307:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 132833 in gdm "login background color is hardcoded" [Low,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13283307:56
foxxbuntuI was intrested in how that works07:56
superm1well if its marked Triaged, then we're aware of it07:57
superm1we meaning ubuntu07:57
superm1if we have a local patch it will get applied and then submitted upstream07:57
foxxbuntuanything else I could dig in on?08:00
superm1you mean in terms of investigating / bug fixing?08:01
foxxbuntusure if thats what needs doing08:01
superm1well there are a few big things left08:01
superm1one sec though i was just pinged in -devel08:02
superm1okay so the pressing issues yet, 1) ubiquity freezing when adding/removing packages.  i need to talk to mvo about that tomorrow.  2) the session setup.  3) triaging any bugs, fixing what's fixable08:08
foxxbuntuy session setup you mean Openbox ==> Xfce08:10
superm1well yeah08:11
superm1there is a mess involved with getting that sorted out correctly still08:11
superm1i was hoping to get some responses to the ML08:12
superm1to find out an opinion of best approach for it08:12
foxxbuntucould a session switch be done? as in let the users chose what they want as a default from CC for this round, and then remove the choice and the old session in the next...thus preventing breakage?08:13
superm1well the breakage is mostly going to be for feisty upgrades i expect08:14
superm1whose login behavior is suddenly very very different08:14
foxxbuntuisn't it that way however going from f to g?08:14
superm1well right now no08:15
superm1you can upgrade to gutsy08:15
superm1and expect a clean upgrade08:15
superm1but if ubuntu-mythtv-frontend suddenly has these new dependencies, i expect trouble08:15
superm1especially since things are done as a normal user now08:16
superm1and for feisty its all the mythtv user08:16
foxxbuntuso essentially its a rebuild going up to gutsy for the new depends08:17
foxxbuntuunless they are already using ubuntu-desktop08:18
superm1well i'd like to avoid it being a rebuild for people going up to gutsy08:18
superm1but yeah08:18
foxxbuntuok...I think i have a grasp on it now08:18
superm1so what i'm leaning towards right now08:19
superm1is making it all done from that one mythbuntu session08:19
superm1and just abolish the administration mode08:19
superm1its just "Mythbuntu" session08:19
foxxbuntuwould make more sense08:19
foxxbuntuand a simplier config08:20
superm1yeah perhaps that's the best solution then08:21
superm1makes it a mess for alpha4-> onward migrators08:21
superm1but otherwise people should be fine08:21
superm1okay well in agreeing to that, there is a mess of things that need to be determined08:22
superm1probably the biggest one will be control centre changes08:22
superm1to reflect that new behavior08:22
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foxxbuntuand changing the mythbuntu-gdm-theme into a mythbuntu-xfce-theme08:24
superm1changing it into?08:25
superm1gdm is still used08:25
foxxbuntudefault settings i mean08:25
ubotuNew bug: #145475 in mythmusic (multiverse) "mythmusic does not play" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14547508:25
foxxbuntuso basically for that, a new splash, desktop settings, moving icons around, and tracking down all of the packages needed for more "user friendly" interaction correct?08:28
superm1well we do need a splash screen for xfce08:30
superm1that is another item that needs to be tackled08:30
superm1not urgent, but eventually08:30
superm1but yeah generally what you said08:30
foxxbuntuso will all that go into -default-settings?08:32
superm1well more or less yeah08:32
superm1there might be more binary packages produced at one point08:33
foxxbuntuor should I create a -xfce-settings-dev for now?08:33
superm1but they will all be in that source package08:33
foxxbuntuwell I will start clawing away at the xfce envrionment then08:34
foxxbuntuwell superm1 nite...08:36
superm1okay well i'll sort out the login properties for it, so worry more about other items with it08:36
superm1like the splash08:36
superm1and icon themes08:36
superm1and such08:36
superm1night foxxbuntu08:36
foxxbuntuI will work out the gui08:36
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ubotuNew bug: #139591 in mythbuntu-control-centre (universe) "while configuring auto login, i get a python back trace" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13959110:20
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superm1tgm4883, i think i've narrowed down this issue that was cropping up with regard to continually asking to configure the backend10:35
superm1it looks like is a bash/dash problem10:35
superm1i'm gonna push a few things to the ppa and then get to bed10:36
DaveMorrisyeah goto bed :P10:36
superm1well i got hopefully the rest of the xfce migration prepped now10:37
superm1we'll see on tomorrow's livedisk build10:37
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superm1laga needs to fix the control centre stuff that he broke for the last piece though10:37
superm1that does seem annoying10:37
DaveMorrisand then expect you to work on it and go away10:38
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superm1argh i guess i cant go to bed10:39
DaveMorriswhy not?10:39
superm1the person i needed to talk to just joined -devel10:40
superm1he was busy all day yesterday, so i figured i'd grab him today10:40
superm1i should probably talk to him before he is busy again10:40
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superm1whew i really need to get to bed now11:20
superm1hopefully talking to mvo ends up being worth it11:20
lagawhat do you want from him11:20
superm1well i was going to have him help debug an issue with ubiquity freezing after installing packages11:20
superm1he wanted to try to reproduce it himself11:21
lagai'll fix mcc later11:21
superm1so i'm uploading an iso to http://uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/~superm1/11:21
superm1but that will be like 2 hours until its done11:21
lagano worries, it's 11am here. just got up :)11:21
Davieyso so11:21
Davieysuperm1: you confused me there... forgot uk.cdimages isn't mine anymore :)11:22
lagamy xmltv grabber is starting to look good. it should be baseline compliant. only problem is the messy code and that the channel ids are not valid11:22
lagabut 3.5 minutes for 10 days worth of epg data for 70 channels is quite fast :)11:22
superm1haha Daviey11:23
superm1laga, i fixed a few other things in the control centre too, so don't forget to bzr update before you commit11:24
lagaok. did you revert my changes?11:24
superm1all still intact11:24
superm1i did my changes in another branch11:24
superm1and then brought them back in11:24
superm1after i made sure they worked as expected11:24
lagaso this CD has a broken control centre. unless mythweb is installed ;)11:25
superm1the one that is showing up on uk.cdimages right now?11:25
superm1that's from yesterday, before i added the rest of the xfce changes tonight11:25
superm1so, no :)11:26
lagashouldnt be hard to fix m-c-c11:26
lagai hope :/11:26
superm1yeah hopefully :)11:26
superm1okay night all11:26
Davieynn superm111:27
laganight superm111:27
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Samson-curse you mcc02:24
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DaveMorrisblame laga02:24
Samson-aahaha, i had CS/Math flashbacks, thought you were talking about matlab02:25
lagayou should take less LSD in class02:25
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lagait looks like i can't store a value "True" with configparser02:26
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lagayes. :/02:32
lagaTypeError: argument of type 'bool' is not iterable02:32
lagaoh well, i'll just add some more hackish workaround cruft to the script then02:33
laga^^ can anyone with feisty try that script`02:35
Samson-un momento02:36
lagaah, it works if i put "" around true02:36
Samson-TypeError: argument of type 'bool' is not iterable02:36
lagasuperm1: thanks02:36
lagaerr, Samson-02:36
lagai hope i didn't just wake him up :(02:37
Samson-it does indeed02:37
Samson-laga: blame it on ChanServ02:37
lagadamn you, chanserv02:37
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Davieyyeah, I blame chanserv on interest rate rises aswell02:41
lagaSamson-: thanks for testing, btw02:43
Samson-no problemo02:45
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Lunar_LampRight, I can't work out what's going on with my setup - tv playback in myth just isn't working at all.  I think I need to delete the database and start from the beginning.03:20
Lunar_LampWhat's the best way to delete the database?03:20
lagadrop database mythconverg; in mysql03:22
Lunar_Lamplaga: ok, I thought so, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing another way.03:23
DaveMorrisI've just been looking at the statistics of users visiting mythbuntu.org and 57% of them are using Windows, do you think many of them are running it, do we have statstics of how many people are running mythbuntu?03:37
lagathat scares me.03:37
laga"help! in mce, it just worked!"03:38
DaveMorrisyeah, for some reason we had 13k hits yesterday03:38
directhex|workhm. strange. installing torrentflux appears to have become non-trivial on feisty compared to dapper03:39
chuk1I do all my surfing on windows, but I use mythbuntu03:39
chuk1I think thats common03:40
DaveMorrischuk1: how come you've not swtiched to linux on your desktop?03:41
chuk1I need it for work03:42
chuk1plus, mythbuntu is good for the novice user03:43
chuk1so I think you see a large % of windows users going there03:43
lagais it?03:43
chuk1its a hell of a lot easier than doing it yourself03:43
chuk1compiling, etc.03:43
DaveMorrisI noticed they are mainly savvy, with 78% firefox useage compared to 14% IE03:43
directhex|workdoes mythtv-database use dbconfig-common ?03:44
chuk1true, I think to even be interested in myth, you need to be somewhat savvy03:44
chuk1but I mean novice linux users, not novice pc users03:44
lagabut still, sometimes i think the whole thing (not only mythbuntu) needs to be made more robust. but then, i run svn trunk and tinker way too much03:44
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DaveMorrishis only been asleep for arund 5hrs then03:46
Davieywell he was scp'ing some iso's to http://uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/ ... they were there; now they have gone :s03:46
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lagaDaviey: http://uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/~superm1/ ?03:47
Davieysuperm1's ethos is that sleep is for the weak... he only pretneds to be asleep..  How else could one person find the 25+ hrs in a day to stuff??03:47
lagahe told me he didn't coffee03:47
Davieylaga: eeek, good point03:47
lagai dont think i can believe him03:47
DaveMorrisprehaps he uses the 28hr day model - http://xkcd.com/320/03:47
lagayeah, saw that, too03:48
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Daviey(30.88 MB/s) - `mythbuntu-7.10~070926-i386.iso' saved  <--- hell yeah03:48
DaveMorrisare we doing another alpha release now then?03:49
lagaDaviey: gutsy beta has been released today.03:49
lagameh :/03:50
lagai want a new lolcat every day03:53
DavieyI can download @ 2.33MB/s (max speed i can get) to home from frink_'s box03:56
lagabah, only 300-400k from uk-cdimages03:57
Davieylaga: hmm.. that blows03:57
lagai wish03:57
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DavieyI'm not adverse to the idea... i just think it floats like a rock04:13
bendaileyDaviey: have you gotten a chance to play with the new script?04:14
Davieybendailey: eeek, no04:14
Davieybendailey: Did you discuss with superm1 about what database to use?04:14
Davieya fresh one, or drupal?04:14
bendaileyDaviey: yes I talked with superm1 and he is planning on putting it inside the drupal db to minimize backup/restore of mysql04:15
DavieyI could demo it on uk.weeklybuilds.myth'04:15
DavieyAnd do we know what happens, upon a drupal upgrade?04:15
Davieysurely a full mysql dump is no extra effort?04:16
bendaileydrupal upgrade great question how does drupal deal with plugin tables?04:16
Davieyno idea..04:16
bendaileyDaviey: I just looked at the update.php script in drupal and it seems to touch table on an individual basis extra tables *should* cause no harm04:24
directhex|workhm, definitely have a problem here. i suspect a lack of sudo-awareness04:49
DaveMorriswhats wrong>04:52
directhex|worknothing mythbuntuish, but no doubt something you guys have dealt with. torrentflux, which also needs to set up a mysql db/user, doesn't seem happy on any system where there's no real root account or mysql root password05:01
lagacreate the DB manually?05:02
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directhex|workwell, yes, that's the user-friendly workaround05:10
directhex|worklooks like a known bug which is fixed in gutsy, but that doesn't really help05:10
lagause sane software05:11
lagabut if i did that, i'd have ditched gutsy already..05:12
superm1guys no next alpha announce yet.05:12
superm1that disk was mainly for mvo to test things05:12
lagasuperm1: oh. i was already announcing betas. ;)05:12
superm1but wow Daviey nice speeds05:12
DaveMorrisI've made a amd64 version today superm1 and I'll grab some screen shots of xfce on it05:12
superm1cool cool.  so things that i pushed last night worked then?05:12
DaveMorrisI'll test it around 5:30ish after work :)05:13
bendaileysuperm1: do you have time to setup those tables?05:13
lagasuperm1: control centre is not completely fixed yet05:13
lagasuperm1: it doesn't bork anymore, but i need to work out some last quirks05:13
superm1getting there?05:13
superm1good good05:13
bendaileyDaviey: are you comfortable with superm1 adding the tables for my download script to the drupal db?05:14
lagaworking with mcc makes me wanna go back to xmltv, though05:14
superm1yeah i can do that bendailey05:14
superm1you got things ready to go with them?05:14
superm1laga, python is supposed to be 'fun'05:15
lagaso is heroine05:15
directhex|workit is? i prefer c#05:15
lagaoh, wait.05:15
lagasuperm1: so, what's the problem with making config files you can put on other boxes?05:16
superm1laga, it's an unfinished thought at this point05:17
superm1because you wouldnt want to duplicate *everything* in there05:17
lagaadding support shouldn't be hard. at least not writing out config files05:17
lagatrue, but you could use it as a starting point05:17
superm1yeah writing out the config files is very easy05:17
lagaor define which settings to export05:17
lagabtw, is there a config file for the control centre already?05:17
laga(or keep it all in debconf? ;))05:18
superm1it's all generated on the fly05:18
superm1as you run it05:18
bendaileysuperm1: I am feeling lazy about writing an admin script is using05:18
lagasuperm1: ok05:18
bendaileyhttp://drupal.org/project/dba out of the question?05:18
superm1bendailey, well as long as there is some way to admin the box and easily add/remove mirrors05:18
superm1and disable mirrors05:18
superm1oh that looks pretty nice05:19
superm1i'll pop that on if you want to play with things with it05:19
bendaileyyeah I think that would be simple and powerful05:19
bendaileythat would be great05:19
superm1as long as everyone agrees no breaking the site...05:21
superm1since we all have equal rights on it :)05:21
lagawho's our primus inter pares?05:21
Davieybendailey: sorry was afkb05:24
DavieyI'd prefer a different database, but If it's easier to do - then it shouldn't matter05:24
superm1bendailey, dba should be installed now05:25
bendaileyDaviey: no problem05:25
bendaileysuperm1: great and I promise to not back the site :)05:25
superm1and you can upload scripts directly it looks like05:25
bendaileysuperm1: can you edit apache confs on the box?05:25
superm1yeah i can05:25
bendaileyok do we want to setup .com .net?05:26
superm1bendailey, here will be what you need to get at dba: http://mythbuntu.org/admin/build/database05:26
superm1yeah, i'm not sure how it should be done though?  More vhosts?05:26
superm1or what's most appropriate05:26
tgm4883eh, im for domain forwarding05:27
bendaileyare we using rewrite for clean urls in drupal?05:27
Daviey"Access denied05:27
DavieyYou are not authorized to access this page."05:27
bendaileysuperm1: same as Daviey here05:28
superm1interesting. well so maybe you don't have access by default05:29
superm1give me a moment and i'll add access05:29
superm1try now05:29
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bendaileyhmm site is just spinning but I can tracert to it05:32
tgm4883yea i can't access anything at mythbuntu.org now05:33
tgm4883which i would think is a bad thing05:33
bendaileysuperm1: can you get shell at the box?05:34
superm1let me try05:34
lagarenaming variables *always* breaks stuff when i do it :/05:35
tgm4883heh, this would be why we have a test site05:35
superm1well i got shell but it is *crawling*05:36
superm1hm everything still appears to be alive05:36
superm1top doesnt show anythign using a ton of cpu05:36
superm1its just not very responsive05:36
bendaileyhmm net issues?05:37
tgm4883something using a ton of bandwidth?05:37
tgm4883bendailey, that would be highly coincidencle05:37
superm1well hm what to do then.05:37
bendaileyagreed but .... you never know05:38
lagainstall bmon or what it's caleld and take a look? ;)05:38
superm1i'll restart apache205:38
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bendaileymythbuntu just loaded05:39
superm1okay so restarting apache2 helped05:39
superm1i wonder what was with that05:39
bendaileynow have access to dba also05:39
bendaileysuperm1: I am going to to prefix all the download script tables with dl_ so they are grouped in the dba make sense to you?05:41
bendaileyDaviey: ^^^05:41
superm1yeah that makes sense05:41
bendaileycan I upload the download script?05:41
tgm4883alright, off to apply to graduate, biab05:43
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bendaileysuperm1: why don't we add server aliases for .com and .net then use a rewrite rule to send all request to .org05:45
bendaileythat way we can keep a single vhost05:45
superm1yeah go for it bendailey05:45
superm1yeah that is probably the easiest route to go05:46
superm1without needing to make more vhosts05:46
bendaileyI can't get to the vhost conf  can i?05:46
lagafsckin'g intendation with python. i never actually modified the debconf database because that code block belonged to the wrong if clause05:51
directhex|workwhitespace sensitivity is my main python complaint05:52
bendaileysuperm1: dns changes are done for .com and .net05:53
bendaileyhow/who/when do you want do the apache conf changes?05:54
superm1directhex|work, that is my favorite thing about python05:54
superm1bendailey, i'll do it right now05:54
bendaileyok do you want the rewrite rules?05:54
directhex|worksuperm1, why? the python whitespace conventions are *wrong*05:55
directhex|workand so is the lack of a proper switch statement05:55
superm1well that proper switch statement does annoy me too though05:55
superm1but the whitespace thing makes things readable05:55
directhex|worknot to me, since it's not the same whitespace convention i use :p05:55
superm1bendailey, okay the aliases for com and .net are in place05:56
superm1i added www.mythbuntu.com mythbuntu.com www.mythbuntu.net mythbuntu.net05:56
bendaileysuperm1: great05:57
bendaileyhere is the rewrite rules I would use05:57
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bendaileysuperm1: Here are the rules: http://work.bhmsd.k12.in.us/mythbuntu_rewrite.txt06:00
superm1bendailey, where will those need to go?06:00
bendaileydoes drupal use the .htaccess for clean urls?06:00
superm1so just in that .htacess then i take it06:01
superm1by the other rewrite rules06:01
bendaileyok at the top of the .htaccess I believe06:01
bendaileyyeah but we better test to make sure it doesn't break the other rules06:01
tgm4883superm1, is there a special tickless kernel or is it that built into generic06:01
superm1tgm4883, its built into generic i thought?06:02
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bendaileytgm4883: in gutsy yes tickless is default06:02
tgm4883I just wanted to be sure I was using the right one :)06:02
tgm4883did you figure out the dimmer setting for your thinkpad?06:02
lagatickless is not on for amd64, AFAIK06:02
lagait'll be there in 2.6.23 afaik06:03
superm1well that doesn't redirect anything bendailey06:03
superm1just tried06:03
tgm4883I think i figured out why it shows in mine for gutsy but didn't for feisty06:03
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superm1tgm4883, yeah something broke with that dimmer on my thinkpad too06:03
superm1i wasnt sure if it was just me06:03
tgm4883so is it there now or not?06:03
tgm4883in the power settings?06:03
superm1but it used to work perfectly on feisty06:03
bendaileyhmm nothing gets redirected...06:04
superm1try hitting the keys for it06:04
superm1and see what thegui shows06:04
superm1(fn home/end)06:04
bendaileysuperm1: did you reload apache?06:04
tgm4883I *think* that mine didn't show up in feisty because I used the 915resolution package instead of the correct intel video driver that im now using in gutsy06:04
superm1bendailey, should i need to?  Its in a home directory06:04
bendaileynot sure but won't hurt06:04
lagasuperm1: ok, mcc is fixed. it still requires some polishing and there's lots of debugging messages, but i'll clean that up later06:05
tgm4883mine still doesn't work correctly though, as I pretty much have to manually set it in power settings instead of with the keyboard06:05
lagasuperm1: i'll push it now if you dont mind06:05
superm1laga, can you at least comment out the debugging messages?06:05
lagasuperm1: ok06:05
bendaileysuperm1: I don't think those rules are valid in the .htaccess context06:06
superm1bendailey, just the same with it06:06
bendaileyI think they need placed inside the vhost config sorry06:06
lagasuperm1: or rather, if you don't need it right i'll hold off the commit till i feel it's completely ready06:06
superm1bendailey, ah okay06:06
lagas/right/right now/06:06
superm1laga, yeah that's fine06:06
superm1mvo still hasn't caught the other pressing issue06:07
superm1and i'm waiting on the xubuntu-devel for some info about how to prevent network manager gnome from coming up many times06:07
lagaare these problems in the bug tracker06:07
lagaright now, i'm not sure what else is needed for beta06:07
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superm1well the only things left (other than pushing changes to the archive)06:09
superm1are ubiquity and the freezing apt06:09
lagais unionfs OK now?06:09
superm1xfce background06:09
superm1and migrating autostarted processes to the proper xfce method06:09
superm1unionfs is OK now06:09
superm1from what i've heard06:10
DaveMorrissuperm1: did you remove the pannel at the bottom for xfce?06:10
superm1edubuntu was getting kernel oops',06:10
lagasuperm1: ok, that sounds manageable.06:10
superm1but we haven't06:10
superm1so i'm hoping this transient issue with apt/ubiquity isn't from unionfs still06:10
superm1since there are no oops', but i wouldnt put that out of the question06:10
DaveMorrisalso I can't seem to be able to do a manual configuration of my network settings with the network manager gnome panel icon thing06:10
bendaileysuperm1: did you get a chance to move the rewrite rules and restart apache?06:11
superm1DaveMorris, yeah i took off the bottom panel.06:11
superm1DaveMorris, what is needed for manual configuration to work?06:11
superm1do you know06:11
DaveMorrisnot sure, it just doesn't launch anything for me06:11
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superm1bendailey, okay so where do these go in the vhost config?06:12
superm1i dont see a very appropriate area06:12
bendaileythey should be able to go last thing before the closing VirtualHost tag06:13
superm1ah like that06:13
superm1yeah that works :)06:14
bendaileyso now even mythbunt.org get redirected to www.mythbuntu.org06:15
superm1yeah i noticed that too06:15
superm1good side effect06:15
bendaileysuperm1: this works great thanks06:16
superm1thanks from you too :)06:16
bendaileyno problem06:16
bendaileyhas anyone seen laptop screen distortion problems in tribe 5?06:18
tgm4883what kind of distortion?06:18
tgm4883also, beta came out today06:18
bendaileylike color inversion and unreadable fonts06:19
tgm4883nope haven't seen that06:19
superm1it's too bad wubi didn't make it in for this disk06:19
tgm4883just a few issues with sleeping06:19
superm1~ubuntu-installer has been working really hard on it06:19
bendaileygreat I just installed on a acer tablet yesterday should have waited06:19
tgm4883bendailey, yep, always check the release schedule :)06:20
superm1well you can just apt-get update/dist-upgrade now though06:20
bendaileyyeah I was home sick with my son yesterday and had time to do the install06:20
tgm4883of course, if you downloaded the daily build it really doesn't matter06:20
bendaileyI dist-upgrade last night and had >300 packages update so I am probably at beta06:21
DaveMorrishas anyone else tried to manually change the network settings?06:24
tgm4883DaveMorris, of mythbuntu?06:24
superm1DaveMorris, i'm building a new disk right now.  I'll try right after that comes up06:24
DaveMorrisyeah, using the panel applet06:24
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DaveMorrissuperm1: the disk built yet?06:51
superm1DaveMorris, just finished06:51
DaveMorrisbtw amd64 version works fine06:52
superm1yeah manual configuration doesn't do anythign for me either06:52
superm1DaveMorris, if you install gnome-system-tools, that network settings dialog works06:58
DaveMorrisok, you gonna add it to the script then?06:58
DaveMorrisor as a depends?06:58
superm1i'll add it to the meta06:58
superm1although apt claims that there was at one point a xubuntu-system-tools06:59
superm1wonder where that went06:59
Lunar_LampRight, I said last night that I'd file a bug report in launchpad about the error message on loading the gutsy mythtvfrontend that talks about running myth-setup. I haven't done it yet - Im about to do it now. Does anyone know if someone has already filed one though?07:00
superm1i dont think so Lunar_Lamp07:00
superm1i didnt get any bug mail on it07:00
Lunar_LampI'll try and write a good bug report then07:02
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DaveMorrisdid you know someone is translating our mythbuntu posts into Italian for us and posting them on wordpress - http://farrebyc.wordpress.com/07:13
superm1ha sweet07:13
DaveMorrisany way we can link to them from our site?07:14
Lunar_LampGah, I'm going to be a bit slow with that bug report superm1 - trying to solve an ODD error I'm getting at the moment when I try to run screen - Cannot make directory '/var/run/screen': Permission denied07:15
superm1Lunar_Lamp, hm odd07:15
DaveMorrisI've got my local LUG to goto now07:15
DaveMorriscatch you all later07:15
Lunar_LampHmm, well, sorted it out but no idea what caused it.07:17
ubotuNew bug: #145706 in mythtv (multiverse) "mythfrontend.real crashed with SIGSEGV in glXMakeCurrentReadSGI()" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14570607:20
lagasigh :/07:26
lagasegfaults suck, especially when we cant debug them07:26
Lunar_Lampok, superm1, I've filed a very poor bug report - Please feel free to request more info though as i had no idea what you'd need to trace the bug (and included nothing accordingly).07:32
superm1Lunar_Lamp, okay thanks :)07:32
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ubotuNew bug: #145714 in mythtv (multiverse) "mythtv-frontend not detecting previous runs of mythsetup" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14571407:40
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lagahey superm1. have you heard about problems with mythweb auth where just the first line in htaccess gets uncommented?08:03
superm1can't say i have08:03
laganeed to fix the trunk packages myself then08:03
superm1but just because i didn't hear of it, doesnt mean its not a problem for -fixes too :)08:04
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lagasuperm1: ok, mcc is pushed.08:20
superm1laga, k i'll pull it in a sec08:21
laganeeds some polishing here and there, but it works here.08:21
superm1hopefully things are working now :)08:21
lagai hope so08:21
lagaspend like 6h on it today08:21
superm1i've been pushing changes to the ppa left and right related to this xfce stuff all morning too08:21
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superm1i'm hoping that it is about ready to go08:21
superm1so i can push it to the archive08:22
superm1but i have a feeling there are a few more things that will be found with it still08:22
lagawish i had more time to test08:22
lagabut my xmltv grabber needs some atttention08:22
therethinkerHey guys, I've been downloading gutsy several times, and it keeps hanging, so I'm sorry I can't help much until then08:23
superm1therethinker, you might want to jump on the torrent for it08:24
superm1since the beta was announced today08:24
superm1for gutsy08:24
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lagawhat keeps hanging - gutsy or the download?08:24
therethinkerAh, well, I have Comcast for an ISP, and they block seeding, so I can't send anything up08:24
therethinkerthe download08:24
therethinkerIts my net connection, I think08:25
lagatried a different mirror?08:25
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superm1laga, wouldnt the u/p stuff make more sense 'below' the checkbox to enable it?08:26
superm1rather than above08:26
lagayeah. but i couldn't work out how to do that. maybe you know how?08:26
lagai suck a bit at glade08:26
superm1sure let me try08:26
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therethinkerwow, the torrent's fast :P08:31
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hansoffate|workwhat do you guys think about this card for a mythtv box?08:34
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superm1laga, how come the revert button takes forever now?08:36
Lunar_LampHow do I get channel icons configured?08:37
Lunar_LampIt seems that at random 3 of my channels have icons, and the rest don't. I can't work out why.08:37
lagasuperm1: no clue. didn't take that long here08:37
lagalemme check08:38
superm1i crashed it08:38
superm1by removing mythweb w/o turning on/off authentication08:38
lagabad superm1.08:38
superm1let me pastebin the output08:38
superm1looks like you can't speak debconf unless you have it installed :)08:40
superm1i fixed the gui stuff though08:40
superm1let me push it back up08:40
lagayeah, i can reproduce it08:40
lagano, i got a different backtrace. interesting.08:41
lagasuperm1: don't you have "debconf-communicate" on your box?08:42
tgm4883sweet, I got a postcard from a friend08:42
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lagaa nice russian lady wrote to me today, too08:43
tgm4883ahhhhh whats it dooooinggggggg.   Whyy iss it erasing all my files!!!08:43
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superm1okay gui fixes are up in revno 6408:43
tgm4883oh guys, I just had this horrible nightmare that I was using windows08:44
lagasuperm1: ok. to cure yours, i'll add a "workaround" which disables mythweb auth as soon as mythweb is to be removed. that should be good enough08:44
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lagasuperm1: ok. to cure yours, i'll add a "workaround" which disables mythweb auth as soon as mythweb is to be removed. that should be good enough08:45
lagahaving to go through the code to find the right spot to add that makes me sick08:46
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tgm4883therethinker, I think it took me about an hour this morning over bittorrent08:51
therethinkerits probably going to take 2.5 hrs08:51
tgm4883how fast?08:52
therethinkerI don't mind, I'm excited its going faster than last night :P08:52
therethinkerits 23KBpS08:52
tgm4883i was rolling at around 25008:53
therethinkerooh, 2508:53
lagaabout 400 here08:53
lagamaybe you need another mirror?08:53
tgm4883yea, but you live accross the pond laga08:53
therethinkerI never use BT, so I think its one of those things where they're not giving a lot to me08:53
tgm4883your connection is probably faster08:53
therethinkerI'm using a torrent08:53
therethinkerand I've downloaded ubuntu in just over 30 minutes before08:54
hansoffate|workwhat are you downloading?08:54
lagatgm4883: yeah, but i'd imagine that canonical has more than one mirror location?08:54
hansoffate|workis there an update to mythbuntu? i just downloaded it 2 days ago08:54
therethinkergutsy beta08:54
hansoffate|workoh ok08:54
hansoffate|worki need to get a video card before i can install it08:54
tgm4883laga, were doing it over torrent. And high speed internet here is about 6Mbps08:55
lagatgm4883: ah.08:55
lagawhere is "here"?08:55
therethinkerthe HTTP is going to take 6.5 hours at this rate08:55
tgm4883west coast to be exact08:55
lagatherethinker: let me put it on my private server08:55
therethinkerno, its fine08:55
tgm4883what kinda speed you get over there?08:56
therethinkerI think its just my slow net08:56
therethinkerNormally, fast, but its been really slow the last week or so08:56
superm1laga gotta run for a bit.  late for class.  ping me when you've pushed the mythweb stuff and i'll give her another go08:56
lagasuperm1: "her"? o_O08:56
lagayou need to get out more ;)08:56
lagatgm4883: i have 26Mbps, but that's one of the faster connections available.08:57
lagatgm4883: wow, is it a DVD image?08:57
Davieylaga: 26Mbps up and down?08:57
superm1well you were complaining about it, and trying to find the parts that make her work, so i assumed her was a good definition08:57
tgm4883I have 7Mbps, and thats one of the faster connections available08:57
lagaDaviey: no, 1Mbps down.08:57
lagasuperm1: i know how to make "her" work, she's just complaining a lot ;)08:58
tgm48831Mbps down?08:58
Daviey20Mbps down : 768kbs up here08:58
superm1okay cu08:58
tgm48837 down, 1.5 up08:58
lagaasynchronous pipes suck08:58
lagabut better than nothing08:58
Davieylaga: but yours is upside down!08:58
laga1Mbps up08:58
lagai mean08:58
lagais gutsy beta just a dvd image?08:59
tgm4883theres a cd08:59
therethinkerCD, right?08:59
therethinkeroh, I'm getting 50KBPS on BT09:00
laga^^ only talking about the DVD here09:00
tgm4883beat me to it09:01
laga250kbps on my dedicated server09:02
therethinkerWhat IS the DVD? How can it be 4.3 GB?09:02
lagatherethinker: maybe KDE, too09:02
lagaor all locales09:02
lagaor openoffice :>09:02
tgm4883just FYI if you like to see google "dressed up" as my GF says, it's google's birthday.09:02
therethinkerHaha, dressed up :P09:03
laga(EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)09:04
lagaoops, sorry09:04
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therethinkerHmm... even if it was X/K/ubuntu, it would still only be 2.1 GB, assuming that they shared no common files (which they do, so it's probably closer to 1.5 GB)09:05
lagasome additional software i suppose.09:05
therethinkerMaybe ubuntu studio too or something, that's a DVD, right?09:06
lagano clue09:06
lagabut the software repos are huge09:06
lagaso there's no problem filling a dvd09:06
therethinkerYeah :P09:06
therethinkerhttp://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/ubuntu-7.10-beta-dvd-i386.list -- I'm poking around what's in it09:07
tgm4883therethinker, why bother reinventing the wheel09:08
therethinkerWow, I feel smart :P09:08
tgm4883don't beat yourself up.  That took me like 4 seconds on google09:09
tgm4883Personalized Results 1 - 10 of about 2,060,000 for ubuntu dvd vs cd. (0.16 seconds)09:09
tgm4883i mispoke .16 seconds09:09
therethinkerAnd I bet 3 of those seconds were spent looking at the new logo09:09
tgm4883of course09:09
tgm4883oogling the google logo09:10
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therethinkerOh wow09:24
therethinkerI'm getting 450KBpS now :D09:25
therethinkerI'm just so happy :P09:26
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mattbany idea why my dpi settings are all screwed after reinstalling the mythbuntu packages?09:27
chukmine were too, I had to turn off EDID09:31
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therethinkerOkay, done downloading. That's weird... it peeked at 800KBPS09:35
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camelreefhello everyone09:36
camelreef<- Nico on launchpad09:36
camelreefI just added a comment09:36
camelreef!bug 13977009:36
ubotuLaunchpad bug 139770 in mythbuntu "gnome-screensaver coming up when watching TV or recording" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13977009:36
camelreefI hope it helps09:37
camelreefand I have another weird thing since an update or 2 ago, maybe linked to the nvidia blob09:37
tgm4883ok, have you resolved your issue though?09:37
therethinkerHow big is mythtv, about? I'm allocating VM space09:38
camelreefnot resolved09:38
tgm4883ok, well you can disable the gnome screensaver manually09:38
camelreefI can kill it from an ssh session, sure09:38
camelreefbut it comes back whenever I restart the frontend09:38
tgm4883camelreef, you can disable it via gnome-display-properties09:39
tgm4883that should last though a reboot09:39
camelreefas mentionned in the comment, I cannot access the gnome-display-properties as the session uses the mythtv user, a no password user09:40
camelreefsu-ing to it is not really a possibility09:40
camelreefand I am wondering why I am getting this, quite suddenly09:41
camelreefI cannot be the only one09:41
camelreefand disabling it via the properties is hardly a long term fix09:41
lagayou are not running latest mythbuntu09:41
camelreefI am running the latest gutsy09:42
tgm4883camelreef, you shouldn't need to su to it09:42
laga"mythtv" should not be used anymore to run the mythtv session09:42
lagacheck mythbuntu-control-centre09:42
tgm4883camelreef, and while i agree that it's a workaround and not a fix, it's an upstream issue that we're waiting to see is fixed with the next release09:43
tgm4883if not we will find a way to fix it09:43
tgm4883but what is your other issue that we might be able to help you with09:43
camelreefinstalling the control center09:43
camelreefI'll explore this09:44
lagais gnome-display-properties session-specific or will it modify xorg.conf?09:45
camelreefbut tell me, is an up-to-date Gutsy the same thing as an up-to-date mythbuntu ?09:45
lagaah, you are talking about the screensaver issue09:45
tgm4883laga, it's user specific, im not sure about session specific09:45
lagai'll keep quiet then :)09:45
lagacamelreef: yes, if you install mythbuntu-control-centre :)09:45
camelreefdone, then09:46
camelreefso, another problem, I don;t know if I should open a bug yet09:46
tgm4883what is it?09:46
camelreeffreshly started fontend. If I play a video from Mythvideo (using mplayer) I get a picture. If I then go to live TV, I get a green mass instead of a picture. I have sound, though09:47
camelreefthe reverse is the same09:47
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camelreeffresh frontend, start watching livetv, good, go to mythvideo, green mass09:48
tgm4883camelreef, hardware?09:48
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camelreefIntel motherboard, nvidia card09:48
tgm4883camelreef, i'm going to need a little more than that09:48
camelreeffull details here: http://www.youplala.net/linux/home-theater-pc/09:48
camelreeftyhe project is documented :o)09:49
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therethinkerAww, he knows about women at least :P09:50
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camelreefPNY nVidia GeForce 7100 GS - 128 MB - PCI Express 16x with DVI-HDMI adapter -  Hauppauge WinTV NOVA-T-500 dual DVB-T tuners PCI Digital TV card - Intel DG965WH motherboard - 1 GB RAM -  Core 2 Duo Proc - AMD64 distro09:51
tgm4883camelreef, looks like you know what your doing.  I can assume that you have the proprietary drivers installed and xvmc enabled?09:52
superm1_laga, how come things have to be called like this         subprocess.call(["/var/lib/dpkg/info/mythweb.postinst", "configure"] )09:53
superm1_rather than dpkg-reconfigure mythweb?09:53
camelreefIt could be related to the new nvidia-glx blob that came the other day09:53
superm1_or better yet dpkg-reconfigure -fnoninteractive mythweb09:53
camelreefif this is the case, I know the answer..... binary blob, you lose09:53
lagasuperm1_: i didn't want to deal with the frontend, that's it09:54
tgm4883eh, I dont' think thats the issue09:54
superm1_laga, ah if you pass the -fnoninteractive, it won't show you the frontend09:54
tgm4883camelreef, which driver did you install?09:54
lagasuperm1_: and it wont wait for input i hope09:54
superm1_laga, as long as you09:54
camelreefhmmm.... let me check the xvmc stuff09:54
superm1_preseed the data09:54
superm1_it wont matter09:54
lagasuperm1_: ok. that data should have sane defaults anyways09:55
camelreeftgm4883, nvidia-glx-new 100.14.19, latest stuff from nvidia09:55
lagasuperm1_: almost done with the fix...09:55
superm1_awesome :)09:55
camelreef cat /etc/X11/XvMCConfig - libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.109:56
lagasuperm1_: do you IRC from class?09:56
tgm4883lets try something, i'd disable xvmc in mythtv and test that.  While your doing that, i'm going to look somehting up09:56
superm1_laga, shhhh :)09:57
lagasuperm1_: BTW, beat ya to it in ticket 14571409:57
camelreef/usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 -> libXvMCNVIDIA.so.100.14.1909:57
tgm4883also, is there a reason you chose nvidia-glx-new instead of nvidia-glx?09:57
superm1_laga, i think i see something that can be trouble on line 832 of core.py09:57
camelreefso XvMC is fine as far as X is concerned09:57
superm1_that's probably where the delay is for pressing revert09:58
lagasuperm1_: huh? 832 is a comment here :)09:58
camelreefmplayer.conf has vo=xvmc,xv,x1109:58
superm1_well the area where you try to get usernames and passwords and such09:58
camelreeftgm4883, because of the -new ?09:58
superm1_in query_system_state09:58
superm1_so i guess there isn't any way to speed that up09:59
tgm4883camelreef, you chose nvidia-glx-new because of the -new?09:59
camelreeftgm4883, would you recommend an older 9000 seris driver ?09:59
lagasuperm1_: moving out doesnt really help, we need to recaulcate those values09:59
superm1_whats bug 14571409:59
ubotuLaunchpad bug 145714 in mythtv "mythtv-frontend not detecting previous runs of mythsetup" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14571409:59
camelreefwell, latest driver and all, not an old card09:59
tgm4883not exactly09:59
tgm4883for instance10:00
tgm4883the 8600 would be a new card10:00
tgm4883as well as the 880010:00
tgm4883the naming scheme they use kinda sucks10:00
camelreefsure, but a 7100 is not legacy yet10:00
tgm4883camelreef, right10:00
tgm4883not nvidia-glx-legacy10:00
camelreefso I guess I could use a nvidia-glx=963910:00
tgm4883my nvidia onboard 6200 uses nvidia-glx, and my nvidia 7300GS uses nvidia-glx10:01
tgm4883both work great10:01
camelreeflemme check on the mythfrontend setup around xvmc, brb10:01
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superm1_okay got to run again.10:02
superm1_cu guys10:02
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camelreeftgm4883, back. Mythtv was on "standard". I put it on XvMC, same problem10:05
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camelreeftgm4883, I'm going on nvidia-glx away from -new10:05
camelreefis the mythbuntu-control-center documented anywhere ?10:08
tgm4883only in superm1's head ;)10:08
lagai doubt it10:08
lagafor what would you need documentation?10:08
camelreefknow that it exists, for one ;o)10:09
camelreefis that a gtk app ? a mythtv module ?10:09
lagait's just checkboxes and stuff, so you don't need a lot of documentation. some items should be explained, but most should be intuitive.10:10
lagacamelreef: python + glade, so yes, it's gTK.10:10
lagayou can launch it from mythfrontend, but you can't yet use it with your remote10:10
camelreefand what can you do with it ?10:10
lagaDescription: Mythbuntu Configuration Application The Mythbuntu control centre is used to modify settings on a Mythbuntu system that are not necessarily MythTV specific.  These settings range from setting up system roles, to configuration of drivers, remotes, and services. . This application can also be used on a standard Ubuntu system to convert10:11
laga it directly toa Mythbuntu box or to add Mythbuntu role(s)r in addition to the existing desktop role.10:11
camelreefso you just install this, and it will fetch the correct packages, setup GDM, etc.. ?10:12
lagatry it.10:12
camelreefyou don't need to know the package name10:12
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lagayeah, you just click on stuff and then you hit apply and does it all automagically for you10:13
lagait's a really cool app, imho :)10:13
camelreefthis will allow you to trash 95% of the wiki docs, then10:14
lagai#m currently adding support for mythweb authntication so you set your mythweb password in the control centre10:14
lagaheh, not quite ;)10:14
tgm4883most of the wiki docs are trashed by mythbuntu10:17
lagaah, those docs10:17
lagai especially like LIRC support in gutsy10:17
lagait kicks ass.10:17
tgm4883it's going to be more like this I think https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Gutsy10:17
camelreefok, nvidia-glx in place10:20
camelreeftesting, brb10:20
bendaileytgm4883: that wiki page is great10:21
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bradley_Anyone out there?10:27
therethinkerI'm not here either10:28
bradley_raise your hand if your not here10:28
therethinker*raises your hand*10:28
bradley_sorry, new to IRC normally go to forums10:29
therethinker's fine10:29
bradley_anyone install from alternate kubuntu?  raid and such?10:29
ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)10:29
tgm4883do you have kubuntu gutsy installed?10:30
tgm4883did you install the control-centre?10:30
tgm4883what exactly is the problem?10:30
bradley_video card and HD, has anyone used the nvidia 8500gt and got it working with HD?10:31
bradley_driver kills the output then have to reset xorg.conf10:31
tgm4883which driver?10:31
bradley_only working with vga monitor right now10:31
bradley_100. something10:32
bradley_nvidia-glx new10:32
bradley_I did notice the new restricted driver manager, do I have to go through that now instead of adept (favorite package manager here):10:33
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therethinkerbzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-control-centre10:35
therethinker2sorry, thanks10:35
tgm4883^^ thats interesting10:36
therethinker2hopefully thats not a closely secret :P10:36
tgm4883bradley_, you don't have to use that10:36
tgm4883therethinker2, not anymore10:36
therethinkerYay! I contributed to the downfall of Linux :D... wait that's not good10:37
bradley_yeah, no problem I was just seeing if anyone else out there has the same problem10:37
bradley_thanx for the help10:37
bradley_and your time10:37
tgm4883next you're going to tell us who killed kennedy and where the missing dna is in the OJ case10:38
bradley_never had a serious problem with nvidia drivers before10:38
tgm4883bradley_, i'd check in #ubuntu+110:38
foxbuntu_tgm4883, I think this channel has become a damn radio station10:38
foxbuntu_random callers with strange questions10:39
tgm4883well thats good though10:39
lagaagain, i vote for a separate dev channel10:39
tgm4883and not necessarly random10:39
lagamaybe #mythbuntu-pytrhon-bitching for me as well10:39
foxbuntu_laga I am for it too10:39
therethinkerOH! Me too!10:39
therethinkerexcept I'd call it #mythbuntu-python-bitching10:39
foxbuntu_although I think we should not publish the dev channel10:40
lagatherethinker: bah ;)10:40
therethinkerNow THAT would be a radio station10:40
foxbuntu_so only us devs can get to it10:40
tgm4883then we'd have to get stuff done :)10:40
therethinkerWhat's the mythtv giant metapackage, mythtv, or mythbuntu?10:40
lagai am getting stuff done10:40
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therethinkerI'm getting stuff doen that will let me get stuff done10:40
foxbuntu_tgm4883, I am always gettin stuff done10:40
therethinkerso, what's the mythtv metapackage?10:41
tgm4883free mythbuntu download to caller number 1010:41
tgm4883therethinker, which one?10:41
foxbuntu_hell right now I am building a Windows Application server with an App I know nothing about10:41
lagatherethinker: install the control centre and go from there10:41
therethinkerI installed it10:41
therethinkerbut I get an error on run10:41
therethinker2File "/usr/share/mythbuntu-control-centre/bin/mythbuntu-control-centre", line 26, in <module>10:42
therethinker2    from MythbuntuControlCentre.core import ControlCentre10:42
therethinker2  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MythbuntuControlCentre/core.py", line 39, in <module>10:42
therethinker2    from MythbuntuControlCentre.changer import Applicator10:42
therethinker2  File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/MythbuntuControlCentre/changer.py", line 48, in <module>10:42
therethinker2    from MythbuntuLircGenerator.mythtvhandler import MythTVHandler10:42
therethinker2ImportError: No module named MythbuntuLircGenerator.mythtvhandler10:42
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)10:42
therethinker2sorry, I should have used pastebin :P10:42
lagatherethinker: you need to get the dependencies.10:42
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lagatherethinker: did you build from source?=10:42
therethinker2Whats the dependancies, Mythbuntu?10:42
lagatherethinker: you need to install the deps then, huh? :) try lirc and mythbuntu-lirc-generator for a start10:42
therethinker2Ah, thanks10:43
lagatherethinker: you should have created a package. that's how i do my testing10:43
therethinkerAh, sorry10:43
tgm4883mmmm, egg rolls10:43
lagatherethinker: dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot is what i use10:43
therethinkerOoh, can I have some?10:43
lagause dpkg -i to install10:44
tgm4883no.  No egg roll for you10:44
tgm4883i use a script10:44
tgm4883wait, thats the wrong one10:44
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therethinker2*makes mental note to not mess with laga10:46
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therethinker2I'm not an IRC... guy... I've forgotten the thing to make the action...10:47
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camelreefI still have a 100.14.19 kernel module, not a 9639 for nvidia10:47
tgm4883but im a gold member10:47
camelreefwith a 9639 X drive....10:47
foxbuntu_tgm4883, bronze that is10:48
foxbuntu_but your donation went towards hosting anyhow10:48
lagagold member? where?10:48
foxbuntu_in the Foxbuntu Foundation10:49
lagatherethinker: btw, bzr up the control centre10:49
foxbuntu_tgm4883, why would you insult me by trying to call laga me?10:49
foxbuntu_that was so rude10:49
therethinker2me? why?10:50
lagatherethinker: because i just committed something10:50
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therethinkerRight, of course :P10:51
lagatherethinker: hey, you how do i say "if a but not b then do" in python?10:58
lagaif a <???> b:10:58
laga  do10:58
therethinkera and not b10:58
lagaso, my pseudo code would work.10:58
lagacool :)10:58
therethinkerbut = and not :P10:58
therethinkerI studied logic, although I doubt that it will ever come in handy to the extent I learned :P10:59
therethinker(That had nothing to do with that, just... random caller)10:59
lagaah, radio station mode :)10:59
camelreefmodprobe nvidia and modprobe nvidia-new both load 100.14.1910:59
lagacamelreef: reboot? ;)11:00
camelreefbut an insmod /lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/volatile/nvidia.ko gives me 963911:00
lagaubuntu does some magic11:00
lagacheck /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video11:01
lagait does weird things occasionally *sigh*11:01
therethinker2Argh, brain fart. How do you remove something using setup.py? Its not remove or uninstall11:02
camelreefinstall nvidia /sbin/lrm-video nvidia $CMDLINE_OPTS11:02
camelreefinstall nvidia_legacy /sbin/lrm-video nvidia_legacy $CMDLINE_OPTS11:02
camelreefinstall nvidia_new /sbin/lrm-video nvidia_new $CMDLINE_OPTS11:02
lagatherethinker: no clue :/11:02
therethinker2ah well, nevermind11:02
camelreeflaga, any clue ?11:02
lagacamelreef: no.. maybe you need to investigate yourself. or bug the guys who came up with that stuff11:03
therethinker2Okay, for the first time ever, I launched mythbuntu-command-centre, and I have to say, I'm very impressed with what you guys have done.11:03
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tgm4883_laptopheh, forgot to join the channel, was anyone talking to me when I was gone?11:04
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therethinker2Not much11:04
therethinker2well, camelreef has a problem, otherwise no11:04
camelreeftgm4883_laptop, my kernel desperately wants to load 100.14.19 instead of 9639 module for nvidia11:05
camelreefother than no X, I'm fine ;o)11:05
lagatgm4883_laptop: no, but about you. nasty things.11:05
lagacamelreef: reboot?11:05
camelreefdid it11:05
lagacamelreef: is nvidia-glx-new still on your system or did you remove it?11:06
camelreefmodprobe nvidia and modprobe nvidia-new both load 100.14.1911:06
camelreefnvidia-glx-new is purged11:06
tgm4883_laptopcamelreef, did you remove the nvidia kernel module?11:06
camelreefbut an insmod /lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/volatile/nvidia.ko gives me 963911:06
lagacamelreef: try to reinstall nvidia-glx. this smells like a bug so you should definitely report it!11:06
foxbuntu_tgm4883_laptop, I was trashing you11:06
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camelreeftgm4883_laptop, I have the lrm package, is there a specific package juste for the module ?11:07
camelreefI've reinstall all kernel packages, nvidia-glx (this one after a previous purge, just in case)11:08
lagasuperm1: fixes are committed.11:08
lagasuperm1: i hope that's enough now11:08
lagatherethinker: bzr up11:08
camelreeflaunchpad bug search is screwed up11:09
camelreefI cannot make it work11:09
lagahow many bugs have i fixed today? n11:09
lagahow many bugs have i introduced today?11:09
tgm4883_laptopno, it should be nvidia-kernel-common11:09
therethinkerbzr up again?11:10
camelreefgot it re-installed too11:10
therethinkerOh, I'll start on fixing bugs11:10
therethinker2Oh, and I understand where that script could come in handy11:11
camelreefpurging all lrm and nvidia stuff11:12
camelreefreboot, and get it back in there11:12
camelreefbtw, thanks for the mythfrontend logs in the right place11:13
therethinker2Does anyone want to be save me time (and let me work on bugs so you don't have to)  and share their script with me?11:13
tgm4883_laptopwhat script11:14
therethinker2you mentioned one to do the building and stuff... you made the joke ./hack_laga..?11:14
tgm4883_laptopfor building packages?11:15
therethinker2or whatever you meant11:15
therethinker2I assumed you made it just for this....11:15
tgm4883_laptopare you trying to build packages or build an ISO?11:15
therethinker2the Mcc package11:16
lagacamelreef: do you get mythfrontend logs in /var/log/mythtv now?11:16
lagatherethinker: ok11:16
therethinker2I can do it, btu I thought you said you made a script to automate it11:16
tgm4883_laptopI'd build it the same way laga builds it11:16
tgm4883_laptopheh, just a joke11:16
therethinker2which is...?11:16
camelreeflaga, yes, cool, many thanks11:16
tgm4883_laptoplaga, you have that command handy?11:16
lagatherethinker: so, if you bzr up'ed to rev 67 (i pushed a new rev a few minutes ago), you just run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot.you prolly have to install fakeroot11:16
lagacamelreef: glad you like it.11:16
therethinker2yeah, thats what I did, I installed fakeroot11:17
ubotuThe packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports11:17
tgm4883_laptopthese are handy11:17
camelreefoh crap, of course, by removing all those packages, I lost the network11:17
tgm4883_laptopfor the love of god, why will neither of my optical drives boot the CD?11:17
therethinker2Yeah, I just though you had something to download the branch, and package it11:17
camelreefgot to reinstall physically on the box...11:17
tgm4883_laptopcamelreef, are you installing gutsy, mythbuntu, or what?11:18
therethinker2What should I do, now that I'm all ready? None of the bugs are mcc related11:25
lagatherethinker2: play around with mcc :) how do you like it?11:25
therethinker2Really good11:26
therethinker2Wait, bad grammer has I11:26
camelreeftgm4883_laptop, nothing like a good purge, and a reinstall, 9639 loaded properly and green mass issue gone11:26
lagatherethinker2: cool. so, the problem is that the code is incredibly messy11:26
tgm4883_laptopcamelreef, thats good news11:26
camelreeftgm4883_laptop, yup11:26
therethinker2Okay... so neaten it up?11:26
camelreefgot to get my remote control back, though, nothing like a linux-dvb trunk recompile :o)11:27
lagatherethinker2: that'd be cool. it's kind of an annoying task, but it'll make things much easier :)11:27
lagatherethinker2: want a quick overview or do you think you can find your way around? have you already worked with glade?11:27
therethinker2laga: I've never worked with glade before11:27
foxbuntu_I think I missed the Memo when I became a DBA for this place11:28
camelreefbless multiple cores and make -j411:28
therethinker2but once I heard about glade, I started reading up/playing with it11:28
lagatherethinker2: ok.11:29
lagatherethinker2: so.11:29
camelreefI should recompile v4l-dvb on my Dell, dual Xeon 5300 (quads) with a -j16 :o)11:29
camelreefI will now try mcc11:30
lagatherethinker2: most of the interesting stuff lives in the MythbuntuControlCentre/ subdir. here we have *glade files, which define our UI11:30
therethinker2laga: if you're typing out therethinker2, you don't have to, I'll still follow. or just tr: if it needs to be said11:30
therethinker2laga: yep. I'm poking around in core.py right now11:31
camelreefif anybody has a clue on smooth 1080p on nvidia with VC1 files, I'm ready for the bat11:31
lagatherethinker2: we have debconftalk.py which i hacked up the other day to talk to debconf, we have changer.py which applies changes that were made in the UI and we have core.py which shows the GUI, gathers the config and tells changer.py what to do11:31
camelreeftgm4883_laptop, thanks for the help11:31
camelreefsame to laga11:32
camelreefoh, and is it normal to have the backend segfault once in a while ?11:32
therethinker2laga: okay11:32
camelreefI do get those, but I'm not ready to point fingers yet, it may be my DVB-T board, the drier is not completely there yet11:33
lagatherethinker2: in core.py, you will find functions like "toggle_remotecontrol" and "on_mythweb_password_checkbutton_toggled". those are called by glade when the corresponding button in the UI is toggled11:34
therethinker2ah, okay11:34
lagatherethinker2: you can modify that stuff in glade, when you select a widget and go to "signals"11:34
therethinker2ah, see that11:35
lagatherethinker2: when m-c-c starts, one of the first things it does is to set everything to sane defaults, eg the state of checkboxes, in set_gui_defaults(). after that, it tries to determine how the system is configured in query_system_state().11:36
therethinker2oh, slightly unrelated-- should I join the launchpad group?11:37
lagatherethinker2: the stuff it finds in query_system_state is stored with self.config.set("mythbuntu","myoption","myvalue"). if the user hits the "apply button", find_case_for_change() tries to figure out what's changed and will then tell changer.py what to do.11:39
lagaquick example:11:39
lagaold_mythwebauthenable=self.config.get("mythbuntu","mythweb_auth_activated") new_mythwebauthenable=self.mythweb_password_checkbutton.get_active()11:39
lagaif old_mythwebauthenable != new_mythwebauthenable:11:39
lagato_reconfigure["mythweb_auth_activated"] =new_mythwebauthenable11:39
lagaso, that' s the big picture i guess.11:39
lagatherethinker2: what launchpad group? mythbuntu? sure11:40
therethinker2hmm... wow, that seems relitively easy :P11:40
therethinker2Oh, mythbuntu is restricted11:41
lagajust apply, superm1 will add a later11:41
lagafrink_: welcome, o master of the big pipes11:41
lagatherethinker2: i#ll switch to perl mode now. if you need to know something, ask superm1 or me11:41
therethinker2Okay :P11:41
therethinker2Argh, I think its restricted in a way that I can't apply... you have to add me manually11:42
lagatherethinker2: ok, superm1 can do that later11:44
camelreefmcc is nice11:46
lagait's teh win.11:47
camelreefonce I got my mythbuntu user a password and into the admin group11:47
camelreefgot rig of gnome-screensaver too :o)11:47
lagatherethinker2: for example, there's a duplicated list of plugins which could unified etc11:47
camelreefso, in theory, I can use mcc to transform my normal user into a auto-login auto-start front-end ?11:48
camelreefand then get rid of the mythtv user11:48
lagaor your ubuntu box into a mythbuntu box etc11:48
tgm4883_laptoptheres even a semi functional guide for doing that11:48
lagadont ever delete "mythtv", it's used by the backend11:48
lagatgm4883_laptop: it's not overly hard...11:49
camelreefonce I have moved my few cconfig files from /home/mythtv, like remote stuff11:49
therethinkerI'm going to go grab some grub11:49
tgm4883_laptopi know11:49
tgm4883_laptopbut there has to be a guide11:49
lagacamelreef: dont ever delete "mythtv", it's used by the backend11:49
camelreefah, ok, no delete then, so I might as well leave ot at the frontend user, then11:49
camelreefot at = it as11:49
lagacamelreef: na, just switch to a different user11:50
camelreefany reason for this switch ?11:50
camelreefhmmm, strong argument! ;o)11:51
camelreefnow, the remote control stuff in mcc looks good11:52
lagacamelreef: yes, you dont have sudo privileges11:52
lagacamelreef: yup11:52
camelreefI do, it is my user :)11:52
lagaah, right.11:52
camelreefand now mythtv has it11:53
camelreefand if you want to use mcc, you need the user in the sudoers11:53
camelreefso, my remote is not in the list, what can I give you to add it ?11:53
camelreefI have already worked quite bit on this: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-NOVA-T-50011:54
camelreefis the info in lircd.conf sufficient ?11:54
lagait just needs to be a regular lircd.conf11:55
lagacamelreef: you need to file a bug against lirc in ubuntu gutsy11:55
camelreefwhat do you mean ? regular as in the package ?11:55
lagacamelreef: attach your config file11:55
laga"regular" as in "works with lircd"11:56
camelreefit does11:56
camelreefusing it right now11:56
lagain that bug report, you need to describe exactly for what receiver/remote the conf file is. superm1 will add it then11:56
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brunnerhi all11:57
lagahi brunner11:57
lagahow may tgm4883_laptop help you today?11:57
brunnerI just installed Mythbuntu for the first time11:57
tgm4883_laptopnice laga11:57
tgm4883_laptop!slap laga11:57
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about slap laga - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi11:57
lagatgm4883_laptop: scnr11:58
brunnerit looks really nice, but for whatever reason, my box can't access my MPEG-2 encoder cards11:58
tgm4883_laptopwhat cards?11:58
=== camelreef hates launchpad
=== camelreef found the gutsy lirc package cannot find where to file a bug... grrrrr !
tgm4883_laptopunder bugs?11:59
brunnerHauppauge PVR-250's, if I remember correctly11:59
brunnerthe 350's were the ones with MPEG-2 decoders, right?12:00
brunnerthat's not what I have12:00
camelreefhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+package/lirc - bugs is greyed12:00
tgm4883_laptopcamelreef,   https://bugs.launchpad.net/lirc/12:00
camelreeftgm4883_laptop, tvm12:00
tgm4883_laptopbrunner, do they show up in lspci?12:01
brunnerI was trying to SSH into my box to see, but auth fails as the RSA keys no longer match (since it's a new install)12:01
brunnergive me one second12:01
tgm4883_laptopcamelreef, you can't file a bug against a binary package, you have to file it against the project12:02
tgm4883_laptopbrunner, that would be in .ssh12:02
camelreeftgm4883_laptop, can;t open a bug for upstream...12:02
tgm4883_laptopin the link I gave you?12:03
brunneryeah, I just wiped out my known_keys and used touch12:03
camelreefdamn, I'm not a newbie, but I can;t wrap my head around launchpad12:03
camelreeftgm4883_laptop, yeah, your link12:03
tgm4883_laptopcamelreef, in the link I gave you here https://bugs.launchpad.net/lirc/?12:03
lagacamelreef: ^^ you need to file it there. but it's broken for me :/12:03
brunneralright, they seem to show up like this:12:03
brunner04:01.0 Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC16 (CX23416) MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01)12:03
lagatgm4883_laptop: that's upstream, the ubuntu package is in .net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/12:03
brunnerand 04:02.012:04
tgm4883_laptoplaga, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc12:04
tgm4883_laptopyour link doesn't work :)12:04
camelreeflaga, broken for me too12:04
lagano shit.12:04
camelreeftgm4883_laptop, yes, this link12:04
lagayeah, i'm in the launchpad beta testers team12:04
tgm4883_laptopme too12:04
tgm4883_laptopyet it was still broken for me12:04
lagaalyways wondered if they redirect normal people to their normal servers12:04
tgm4883_laptopwait I dont think im logged in12:04
brunneris anyone running the Hauppauge PVR-250's?12:05
therethinkerI had a 150...12:05
camelreefgot it: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc12:05
brunneraside from this, I really dig everything I've seen about Mythbuntu12:05
tgm4883_laptopbrunner, do they work outside of mythtv12:05
brunnergood question12:06
brunneruhm, how do I prevent my frontend from respawning when I exit back to X?12:06
lagait should log out?12:07
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tgm4883_laptopbrunner, you should be able to find out if it works though ssh12:07
brunnertgm4883_laptop: I should, but I don't remember the mplayer parameters to use aaout... and I don't even know if I have aa12:08
brunnertgm4883_laptop: feel free to contribute a suggestion as to the easiest or best way to test it via ssh12:09
tgm4883_laptoperr something like12:09
=== brunner installs tvtime
lagabrunner: does it show up in dmesg?12:10
tgm4883_laptopcat /dev/video0 > test.mpg12:10
frink_is it safe to do an apt-get update/apt-get upgrade?12:10
tgm4883_laptopfrink_, why wouldn't it?12:11
=== frink_ is used to Fedora
frink_where everythign breaks12:11
camelreef!bug 14584712:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 145847 in lirc "Remote codes for Hauppauge Nova-T-500 dual tuner DVB-T PCI card" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14584712:12
brunnerlaga: I'm not sure how it would appear12:12
camelreefdone :o)12:12
frink_camelreef: What was the bug?12:12
lagabrunner: you can't miss it. ========== start init ivtv =========== or something12:12
camelreeffrink_,  not really a bug, but additional support12:13
lagaftrion gutsy, you should use dist-upgrade12:13
brunnerhmm, no, it doesn't show up12:13
brunnerand /dev/video0 doesn't exist12:13
brunneralthough it did when I was doing the initial setup on the box12:13
brunnerduring the install, that is12:13
frink_camelreef: Ah ok, yeah, I downloaded the remote codes for mine.. Is ne v4l-dvb included yet (so the Nova-t 500 remote receiver is supported) ?12:14
camelreeffrink_, nothing to do with your issue12:14
frink_camelreef: K12:14
camelreefnova-t-500 still has some firmware issues, but the remote stuff is good12:15
brunnerI wonder what would prevent ubuntu from detecting my cards12:15
lagacamelreef: just commented on your bug - don't worry ;)12:16
brunnermaybe I should boot from the live cd12:16
camelreefonce the nova-t-500 support is 100%, it will be a killer card in Europe, like the PVRs are in the US12:16
lagacamelreef: i dont get dvb-t here yet12:16
tgm4883_laptopsounds like something wrong with ivtv12:16
camelreeflaga, where are you ?12:16
lagacamelreef: germany, close to the french border. we'll get it by the end of the year.12:17
brunnerworking fine in knoppmyth for years12:17
camelreeflaga, switchover is soon :o)12:17
camelreefBerlin did it already, no ?12:17
lagai think so12:17
=== camelreef is French, but lieves in aberdeen, scotland
lagabrunner: ivtv in gutsy is supposed to work. does ivtv show up in "lsmod"?12:18
=== camelreef is going to bed
brunnerlaga: no12:18
camelreefthanks all for the help and for mythbuntu12:18
camelreefkeep it up12:19
laganight camelreef12:19
brunnerroot@mythbox:~# modprobe ivtv12:19
brunnerFATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18-chw-13/modules.dep: No such file or directory12:19
lagaglade you like it12:19
lagabrunner: um12:19
tgm4883_laptopbrunner, did you md5sum the iso and burn the cd slow and test the cd before installation?12:19
lagabrunner: that's not a mythbuntu kernel.12:19
lagayou booted the wrong kernel.12:19
lagathat's a knoppmyth kernel, IMHO12:19
brunnerhow'd I manage that?12:19
tgm4883_laptopyea he did12:19
lagacheck uname -a12:19
tgm4883_laptopthat would explain a lot12:20
brunnerLinux mythbox 2.6.18-chw-13 #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Mar 6 19:57:00 PST 2007 i686 GNU/Linux12:20
tgm4883_laptopLinux hermes 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 20:03:18 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux12:20
brunnerI swear I installed from the mythbuntu CD12:20
brunneroh shot12:20
brunnerI know what it was12:20
brunnerI installed using TV-out12:20
brunnerbecause I was too lazy to hook up a monitor12:21
ubotuNew bug: #145847 in lirc (main) "Remote codes for Hauppauge Nova-T-500 dual tuner DVB-T PCI card" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14584712:21
brunnerso I had to boot using the graphics-safe option or whatever it was on the livecd12:21
brunnerso I suppose it installed that kernel instead of the mythbuntu kernel?12:21
tgm4883_laptopbrunner, it would install a 2.6.22 kernel12:22
brunnerI can't imagine how else I managed to end up with this kernel12:22
tgm4883_laptopyour using a way old kernel12:22
tgm4883_laptopif I were you, i'd reboot and look in grub to see if you have other kernels listed12:22
tgm4883_laptopand boot a 2.6.22 one if you have it12:22
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brunnerdoes the mythbuntu CD not format before it installs?12:23
tgm4883woohoo for gutsy12:24
tgm4883bradley_, something is way wrong with your setup, i would check grub.  You may have selected something very strange.12:24
tgm4883brunner, ^^^^12:24
tgm4883i'd be interested in how to reproduce it12:24
lagawhen i installed gutsy and had my usb stick eith a linux install on it plugged it12:25
lagait recognized those kernels, too12:25
lagabut they were put under the gutsy kernels12:25
brunnerI suppose I should have formatted before I did the install.. I really can't imagine where this kernel came from, unless it's somehow leftover from knoppmyth12:25
brunnerand I thought my partitions would be formatted anyhow12:26
brunnerI didn't do any customized partitioning12:26
brunnerI just stuck to defaults12:26
tgm4883it's leftover from knoppmyth12:27
tgm4883my best guess12:28
tgm4883that the default partitioner used a guided setup of a large area of free space rather than the entire disk12:28
superm1laga i'm back12:28
lagasuperm1: hello darling o_O12:29
brunneroh, it's using LILO, not GRUB12:29
brunnerthis sure as hell isn't right12:29
brunneralright, I'm gonna wipe my disks and try again12:29
brunnerthis is a really strange mix of knoppix and mythbuntu12:29
superm1oh god.12:30
superm1laga, you have another remote config to upload?12:30
superm1go ahead and file a bug, i'll wait to do another lirc set until you get it up12:30
lagasuperm1: ok12:30
lagacan take 1-2 days, though12:31
superm1that's fine12:31
superm1i'm holding off on lirc until next week at least12:31
superm1focus right now is m-c-c and ubiquity :)12:31
lagalirc#s stable enough i suppose12:31
superm1speaking of which, you sort out the m-c-c mythweb stuff?12:31
lagai hope so at least.12:33
superm1okay i'll pull and try it again12:33
=== laga wants a cookie if it works
superm1well lets wait and see if it works before i agree to that :)12:34
=== superm1 goes and removes all his mythweb and apache2 stuff before starting to avoid any previous breakage
superm1i saw a bunch of signal stuff that was added, should mythweb auth be showing up as avail right after i check the mythweb box?12:36
superm1or after applying12:36
lagaafter applying12:36
lagathat's the trick12:36
lagaactually, it should be OK if it's available right before install..12:37
lagabut i don't really care.12:37
superm1you own the mythweb stuff your call12:37
lagait could be extended so we register these questions12:37
lagai own?12:37
superm1well you coded all that part :)12:37
superm1um debconf still crashed on it12:38
lagasorry, english parsing is a bit broken tonight12:38
superm1exact same thing12:38
lagaoh :/12:38
superm1interrupted system call12:38
lagacan't be the exact same thing12:38
lagacan you pastebin it again?12:38
lagaif we don't preseed mythweb, it might open a security hole12:39
lagai couldn't reproduce that problem here.. wait, so mythweb was purged, right?12:40
superm1maybe a stale htaccess file from before didn't get pulled out?12:40
superm1let me purge again and hunt for them12:40
lagawhat exactly did you do to trigger that?12:40
superm1installed mythweb, and then hit enable mythweb auth12:41
superm1and then put in test/test12:41
superm1for u/p12:41
frink_hey superm1 - sorry the box was unreachable today.. a switch crashed. - it's just been replaced.12:41
superm1oddly enough it remembered 'test'12:41
superm1frink_, no biggie, i'm only using it right now for getting an iso to someone for debugging12:41
superm1its going live as a mirror once the next image is ready12:41
lagasuperm1: yeah, it pulls the stuff out of debconf.12:41
superm1but if i purged12:41
superm1it shouldnt know that12:41
lagadid you restart mcc in between?12:42
superm1okay let me try once more12:42
lagayes, please.12:42
superm1it still copied in 'test'12:43
superm1for username12:43
lagaafter purging mythweb12:43
superm1but this time it appears to have not crashed.12:43
lagacan you run echo "get mythweb/username" | debconf-communicate ?12:43
superm1okay well it appears to not be crashing12:45
superm1but there is still an issue12:45
superm1it always thinks that i'm enabling/disabling mythweb auth now12:45
superm1when its checked12:45
lagawhen you apply?12:45
superm1even if i dont check 'set password for mythweb'12:45
lagaare you sure you're running rev76?12:46
Lunar_Lamp_Is there any reason why I shouldn't mount a USB drive as /var/lib/mythtv - i.e. is a usb drive fast enough to keep up with recording etc?12:46
lagadid you *install* the deb? i keep forgetting to do that :)12:46
frink_superm1: OK.12:46
superm1laga, yeah i installed it twice12:47
superm1the last branch change in my changelog is 'Account for the problem where mythweb auth would be configured after mythweb was removed.'12:47
superm1which should be at 6712:47
lagayes, that's correct.12:47
superm1i just got it to crash on revert too12:47
superm1with that same type of crash12:47
lagalet me purge mythweb here12:47
superm1   response = debconf_read.readlines()[0] .partition(' ')12:47
superm1IOError: [Errno 4]  Interrupted system call12:47
superm1that thing again12:48
lagawell, it indicates a problem with debconf-communicate i'd say.12:48
lagaAFAIK, the only sys call we're doing is popen with debconf-communicate, right?12:48
superm1how are you doing that lets see.12:48
superm1there are other ways to pass arguments to popen12:49
superm1and different popens you can use too12:49
superm1i dont know which is preferable or why though12:49
lagai know :)12:49
lagathe different opens seem to different wether stdout, stderr or whatever is exported12:50
superm1yeah i had to use one for passing things among pipes12:50
lagai just purged mythweb and stuff is looking sane12:50
lagathe culprit is with debconftalk.py12:50
therethinkerOh superm1: I need to be added to mythbuntu12:50
brunnerso I shouldn't use the guided partitioner when I install and I should be okay, right?12:51
superm1therethinker, whats your LP id?12:51
lagathings get in an incosistent state in mcc on your box somehow and i'm gonna get another beer12:51
therethinkersuperm1: thanks, I just wanted to make sure I don't forget12:51
therethinkersuperm1: Thanks!12:52
superm1no prob12:52
lagasuperm1: i#d even go as far as saying that your debconf database is broken. i mean, how is mcc supposed to know you set "test" as user name after purging mythweb?12:53
superm1that's what i'm wondering12:53
superm1oh i think i know.....12:53
superm1i have ubiquity installed12:53
superm1which probably knows about it too12:53
superm1let me purge that too12:54
superm1any other apps that use the mythweb debconf info?12:54
lagai doubt it12:54
superm1okay ubiquity is gone12:55
superm1lets try this again :)12:55
superm1still knew about it.12:55
laga"get mythweb/username" | debconf-communicate12:56
laga^^ do that please.12:56
brunnerwait, when I installed I remember telling it to use the entire disk!12:56
brunnerhow could knoppmyth still be around?12:56
superm1well this time it says that mythweb/username doesn't exist12:56
superm1before it was saying 'test'12:56
brunnerscrew it. I'm just going to select manual this time.12:57
superm1okay finally12:57
lagasuperm1: mythweb/authenable12:57
superm1it didn't think it was there12:57
superm1somehow things must have been in an inconsistent state12:57
superm1like you said from before12:57
superm1let me try once more to break it.12:57
superm1you might consider greying out 'apply'12:57
superm1until a username and pw are entered12:57
superm1similar to what i do for vnc12:58
lagaand i shouldn't allow empty passwords12:58
superm1the next time you run the control centre, it doesnt fill in the pw box12:58
superm1is that expected?12:58
superm1it does still think that i'm always enabling/disabling mythweb though when i hit apply still12:59
lagathe password is deleted from debconf db after config is applied. that happens in mythweb01:00
superm1perhaps you will want to fill that with garbage or something then?01:00
superm1i dunno01:00
lagawhy would i fill it with garbage. someone will just change the user name and will be screwed :)01:01
superm1eh i'm just worried someone opens it and sees oh this box is empty01:01
superm1lets fill it01:01
tgm4883I've never had that problem superm101:01
superm1tgm4883, what problem?01:01
tgm4883now I have had the problem of people at my house saying, hey, there is beer in the fridge, lets drink it01:02
tgm4883but never the empty box one01:02
lagaanother reason we can't do it: it'll trigger a reconfigure for mythweb (unless i add another special case, say "ignore the random garbage we've just generated") :/#01:02
superm1well its already triggering every time :)01:03
lagasuperm1: not here.01:03
superm1hmm ok01:03
superm1well i'll be back in a bit01:03
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lagasuperm1: i specifically coded it so it doesn't get triggered every where. guess it breaks on your box :)01:03
lagasuperm1: i'll investigate tomorrow in a -fixes VM01:03
lagaunless... hey therethinker, still here?01:05
brunnermy install seems to freeze when I check the box labeled "Install Proprietary Video Driver"01:12
Tarithat's a known issue01:13
brunnerk, I figured01:13
brunnersorry for not checking first01:13
Tariinstall the system, then proprietary drivers01:13
brunneryeah, that was my plan01:13
mattbhmm, so it's one of the recent package updates that's screwing up my fonts01:17
brunnerwhen you connect to the VNC service, do you see what's on the MythTV, or does it put you into your own X and/or GNOME environment?01:17
mattbcdimage from 070830 works nicely, dist-upgrade to today and it's screwed01:17
Davieylaga: have you tried the cd superm1 rolled today?01:18

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