[01:41] !ubotu training [01:41] Sorry, I don't know anything about training - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi [01:42] !brain [01:42] I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [01:42] !flac [01:42] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats === edson [n=edson@unaffiliated/edson] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === MythbuntuGuest24 [n=Mythbunt@ip72-204-38-36.fv.ks.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === MythbuntuGuest24 is now known as galileo [02:44] I need advice/suggestions for getting the TV Out working on my old All-In-Wonder 8500... or for someone to tell me it's not possible so I can quit wasting my time. [02:45] afaik, all-in-wonder cards aren't supported well at all under linux [02:47] ah, that sucks. I've seen some references to success stories, but the instructions are all pretty thin and linux video configurations are about as far from my strong points as is possible. [02:47] Maybe it's finally time to ditch this old card and go buy some cheap new thing. [02:49] Any suggestions for what works most readily? (Cheap, no need for HD, it's going in a slow computer anyway) === Lunar_Lamp [n=Lunar@unaffiliated/lunarlamp/x-038437] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:53] When I start mythfrontend I get an error that mythtv-setup does not appear to have been run - do I want to run it now. So I run it, configure, exit, and then mythfrontend asks again when I try to run it. [02:53] What's going on? [02:54] galileo, the pvr-150 is a good choice [03:04] Tari, I think he needs something with TV out [03:04] hrm [03:04] galileo, I suggest the Hauppauge card with TV out, it's either the PVR-250, or PVR-350, I dont remember which [03:04] I got a nvidia 6200 with a composite (RCA) output [03:05] PVR-350 has the TV-out [03:05] I knew it was one of the two [03:05] Lunar_Lamp, is this a mythbuntu setup or a gutsy setup with mythtv installed === superm1_ [n=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:06] Well, I installed mythtv a while ago, upgraded to gutsy and latest stuff, had issues so removed all the myth packages, and installed ubuntu-mythtv-frontend and mythtv-backend [03:06] (I think those are the package names) [03:06] Everything seems to be working fine, except for that error message, and I cannot watch TV as I just get a blank screen. [03:07] I've just repaired the keybindings database, but not sure if that would have been relevant to teh error I was getting. [03:08] Lunar_Lamp, I came across that while writing the gutsy to mythbuntu guide although I wasn't sure if it was related to it being in my VM. Care to write a bug report? [03:08] Lunar, I'm getting the same thing from my fresh mythbuntu install... I just haven't had gotten over my other issues to look at it yet. :-) [03:08] superm1_, did you see this ^^ [03:08] tgm4883, i just waled in [03:08] what happens? [03:08] When I start mythfrontend I get an error that mythtv-setup does not appear to have been run - do I want to run it now. So I run it, configure, exit, and then mythfrontend asks again when I try to run it. [03:08] ah yes, the same thing you were getting last night tgm4883 [03:08] I'm not sure if I'm glad to be in good company or not! [03:08] yep [03:09] can one of you guys file a bug against the mythtv source package? [03:09] i'll investigate as soon as i can with it [03:09] galileo just said he had the same problem on a mythbuntu install, but im not sure where he would have gotten it from [03:09] i have a feeling i know what it is [03:09] hopefully a quick fix :) [03:09] Lunar_Lamp, are you going to file a bug report? Otherwise i'll do it after dinner === tgm4883 is off to dinner [03:10] I'm thinking of dropping the whole database and starting the configuration again, but that seems a little radical. [03:10] tgm4883: er, where do you want me to file the bug report? launchpad? [03:10] It's 2am here though, so I was about to call it a night :-/ [03:11] launchpad yes [03:11] well if you've got a few, it will be most appreciated (and less likely to be looked over) :) [03:12] Hmm, ok, not sure exactly what to file in the bug report, but I'll see if I can get around to it in the next 30msin or so [03:13] awesome thanks [03:13] just file exactly what you did [03:13] which user you were when you did it [03:13] and such [03:16] okay back home for me now === bendailey [n=Jackie@64.20.65.84] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:39] tgm4883: any news on bittorrent? === foxxbuntu [n=nfoxqci@12-216-16-102.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:53] bendailey, did you not get my message yesterday? === tgm4883_laptop [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:08] tgm4883_laptop: no sorry my laptop crashed while I was away === Mersault [n=Mersault@TOROON02-1178071093.sdsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:10] tgm4883_laptop: I will check the irc logs tomorrow thanks [04:10] good night everyone === bendailey [n=Jackie@64.20.65.84] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === Alowishus [n=jpenix@fwsdo.projectdesign.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === MythbuntuGuest25 [n=Mythbunt@128.187.138.215] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:16] I have a question [05:16] What are my options when xserver fails to work? [05:16] I have a PCI NVidia card (5200 or something)... === Mersault [n=Mersault@TOROON02-1178071093.sdsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [07:46] evening superm1 [07:46] hi [07:47] I think I just broke the land speed record for fatties everywhere [07:47] lol [07:49] anyways === cann [n=cann@h88-206-148-3.vokby.se] has joined #Ubuntu-Mythtv [07:55] superm1, how would you provide a patch to an upstream? [07:55] to what upstream? [07:55] gdm [07:56] um what for? [07:56] well I was wondering if anyone has taken care of bug 132833 [07:56] Launchpad bug 132833 in gdm "login background color is hardcoded" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132833 [07:56] I was intrested in how that works [07:57] well if its marked Triaged, then we're aware of it [07:57] we meaning ubuntu [07:57] oh [07:57] if we have a local patch it will get applied and then submitted upstream [07:58] ah [08:00] anything else I could dig in on? [08:01] you mean in terms of investigating / bug fixing? [08:01] sure if thats what needs doing [08:01] well there are a few big things left [08:02] one sec though i was just pinged in -devel [08:08] okay so the pressing issues yet, 1) ubiquity freezing when adding/removing packages. i need to talk to mvo about that tomorrow. 2) the session setup. 3) triaging any bugs, fixing what's fixable [08:09] k [08:10] y session setup you mean Openbox ==> Xfce [08:10] ? [08:10] by* [08:11] well yeah [08:11] there is a mess involved with getting that sorted out correctly still [08:12] i was hoping to get some responses to the ML [08:12] to find out an opinion of best approach for it [08:13] could a session switch be done? as in let the users chose what they want as a default from CC for this round, and then remove the choice and the old session in the next...thus preventing breakage? [08:14] well the breakage is mostly going to be for feisty upgrades i expect [08:14] oh [08:14] whose login behavior is suddenly very very different [08:14] isn't it that way however going from f to g? [08:15] well right now no [08:15] you can upgrade to gutsy [08:15] and expect a clean upgrade [08:15] oh [08:15] but if ubuntu-mythtv-frontend suddenly has these new dependencies, i expect trouble [08:15] hmm [08:16] especially since things are done as a normal user now [08:16] and for feisty its all the mythtv user [08:17] so essentially its a rebuild going up to gutsy for the new depends [08:18] unless they are already using ubuntu-desktop [08:18] right? [08:18] well i'd like to avoid it being a rebuild for people going up to gutsy [08:18] but yeah [08:18] ok...I think i have a grasp on it now [08:19] so what i'm leaning towards right now [08:19] is making it all done from that one mythbuntu session [08:19] and just abolish the administration mode [08:19] its just "Mythbuntu" session [08:19] would make more sense [08:20] and a simplier config [08:21] yeah perhaps that's the best solution then [08:21] makes it a mess for alpha4-> onward migrators [08:21] but otherwise people should be fine [08:21] yea [08:22] okay well in agreeing to that, there is a mess of things that need to be determined [08:22] probably the biggest one will be control centre changes [08:22] to reflect that new behavior === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [08:24] and changing the mythbuntu-gdm-theme into a mythbuntu-xfce-theme [08:25] changing it into? [08:25] er [08:25] gdm is still used [08:25] default settings i mean [08:25] New bug: #145475 in mythmusic (multiverse) "mythmusic does not play" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145475 [08:28] so basically for that, a new splash, desktop settings, moving icons around, and tracking down all of the packages needed for more "user friendly" interaction correct? [08:30] well we do need a splash screen for xfce [08:30] that is another item that needs to be tackled [08:30] not urgent, but eventually [08:30] but yeah generally what you said [08:32] so will all that go into -default-settings? [08:32] well more or less yeah [08:33] there might be more binary packages produced at one point [08:33] or should I create a -xfce-settings-dev for now? [08:33] but they will all be in that source package [08:33] k [08:34] well I will start clawing away at the xfce envrionment then [08:36] well superm1 nite... [08:36] okay well i'll sort out the login properties for it, so worry more about other items with it [08:36] like the splash [08:36] sure [08:36] and icon themes [08:36] and such [08:36] night foxxbuntu [08:36] I will work out the gui [08:36] night === hugolp [n=tu@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Wy|laptop [n=wy@c-24-21-162-35.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === troy_s [n=troy_s@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === hugol1 [n=tu@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === DaveMorris [n=dave@cubert.itri.bton.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === hugolp [n=tu@217.168.3.246] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] [10:20] New bug: #139591 in mythbuntu-control-centre (universe) "while configuring auto login, i get a python back trace" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139591 === hugolp [n=tu@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === hugolp [n=tu@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === hugol2 [n=tu@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === troy_s [n=troy_s@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [10:35] tgm4883, i think i've narrowed down this issue that was cropping up with regard to continually asking to configure the backend [10:35] it looks like is a bash/dash problem [10:36] i'm gonna push a few things to the ppa and then get to bed [10:36] yeah goto bed :P [10:36] haha [10:37] well i got hopefully the rest of the xfce migration prepped now [10:37] cool [10:37] we'll see on tomorrow's livedisk build === DaveMorris dislikes people who put stuff in the group www dir at work yet don't assign it to the group, nor give them write access [10:37] laga needs to fix the control centre stuff that he broke for the last piece though [10:37] that does seem annoying [10:38] and then expect you to work on it and go away === DaveMorris glad he has root [10:39] argh i guess i cant go to bed [10:39] why not? [10:40] the person i needed to talk to just joined -devel [10:40] he was busy all day yesterday, so i figured i'd grab him today [10:40] i should probably talk to him before he is busy again === hugol1 [n=tu@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === troy_s [n=troy_s@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === troy_s [n=troy_s@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === hugolp [n=tu@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [11:19] morning [11:20] whew i really need to get to bed now [11:20] hopefully talking to mvo ends up being worth it [11:20] what do you want from him [11:20] well i was going to have him help debug an issue with ubiquity freezing after installing packages [11:21] he wanted to try to reproduce it himself [11:21] ah [11:21] i'll fix mcc later [11:21] so i'm uploading an iso to http://uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/~superm1/ [11:21] cool. [11:21] but that will be like 2 hours until its done [11:21] no worries, it's 11am here. just got up :) [11:21] so so [11:22] superm1: you confused me there... forgot uk.cdimages isn't mine anymore :) [11:22] my xmltv grabber is starting to look good. it should be baseline compliant. only problem is the messy code and that the channel ids are not valid [11:22] but 3.5 minutes for 10 days worth of epg data for 70 channels is quite fast :) [11:23] haha Daviey [11:24] laga, i fixed a few other things in the control centre too, so don't forget to bzr update before you commit [11:24] ok. did you revert my changes? [11:24] Nope [11:24] all still intact [11:24] i did my changes in another branch [11:24] and then brought them back in [11:24] after i made sure they worked as expected [11:25] so this CD has a broken control centre. unless mythweb is installed ;) [11:25] the one that is showing up on uk.cdimages right now? [11:25] yes [11:25] that's from yesterday, before i added the rest of the xfce changes tonight [11:26] k [11:26] so, no :) [11:26] shouldnt be hard to fix m-c-c [11:26] i hope :/ [11:26] yeah hopefully :) [11:26] okay night all [11:27] nn superm1 [11:27] night [11:27] night superm1 === hugol1 [n=tu@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-58-133.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === hugolp [n=tu@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === hugol2 [n=tu@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === laga curses mcc === Lunar_Lamp [n=Lunar@unaffiliated/lunarlamp/x-038437] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === TelnetManta [n=benwilli@72.159.132.4] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === hugol1 [n=tu@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === claydoh__ [n=claydoh@66-252-59-100.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === bendailey [n=bendaile@mail.bhmsd.k12.in.us] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:24] curse you mcc === laga curses configparser as well [02:24] blame laga [02:25] aahaha, i had CS/Math flashbacks, thought you were talking about matlab [02:25] heh [02:25] nevermind [02:25] you should take less LSD in class === Samson- <-- done with class [02:26] so [02:26] it looks like i can't store a value "True" with configparser === laga hacks up a quick script to verify [02:32] yes. :/ [02:32] TypeError: argument of type 'bool' is not iterable [02:33] oh well, i'll just add some more hackish workaround cruft to the script then [02:34] http://www.pastebin.ca/717128 [02:35] ^^ can anyone with feisty try that script` [02:35] ? [02:36] un momento [02:36] ah, it works if i put "" around true [02:36] TypeError: argument of type 'bool' is not iterable [02:36] superm1: thanks [02:36] err, Samson- [02:37] i hope i didn't just wake him up :( [02:37] it does indeed [02:37] laga: blame it on ChanServ [02:37] yup [02:37] damn you, chanserv === laga shakes fist [02:41] yeah, I blame chanserv on interest rate rises aswell [02:43] Samson-: thanks for testing, btw [02:45] no problemo === cooper76_ [n=cooper76@169.203.82.5] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:20] Right, I can't work out what's going on with my setup - tv playback in myth just isn't working at all. I think I need to delete the database and start from the beginning. [03:20] What's the best way to delete the database? [03:22] drop database mythconverg; in mysql [03:23] laga: ok, I thought so, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing another way. [03:37] I've just been looking at the statistics of users visiting mythbuntu.org and 57% of them are using Windows, do you think many of them are running it, do we have statstics of how many people are running mythbuntu? [03:37] that scares me. [03:38] "help! in mce, it just worked!" [03:38] yeah, for some reason we had 13k hits yesterday [03:38] nifty! [03:39] hm. strange. installing torrentflux appears to have become non-trivial on feisty compared to dapper [03:39] I do all my surfing on windows, but I use mythbuntu [03:40] I think thats common [03:41] chuk1: how come you've not swtiched to linux on your desktop? [03:42] I need it for work [03:43] plus, mythbuntu is good for the novice user [03:43] so I think you see a large % of windows users going there [03:43] is it? [03:43] its a hell of a lot easier than doing it yourself [03:43] compiling, etc. [03:43] I noticed they are mainly savvy, with 78% firefox useage compared to 14% IE [03:43] yup [03:44] does mythtv-database use dbconfig-common ? [03:44] true, I think to even be interested in myth, you need to be somewhat savvy [03:44] but I mean novice linux users, not novice pc users [03:44] but still, sometimes i think the whole thing (not only mythbuntu) needs to be made more robust. but then, i run svn trunk and tinker way too much === Daviey thinks superm1 is awake === laga thinks he should head back to bed [03:46] his only been asleep for arund 5hrs then [03:46] well he was scp'ing some iso's to http://uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/ ... they were there; now they have gone :s === directhex|work thinks packages shouldn't b0rk on install when one hasn't set up a real root account or real mysql root password, runs some scientific tests [03:47] Daviey: http://uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/~superm1/ ? [03:47] superm1's ethos is that sleep is for the weak... he only pretneds to be asleep.. How else could one person find the 25+ hrs in a day to stuff?? [03:47] yeah [03:47] he told me he didn't coffee [03:47] laga: eeek, good point [03:47] i dont think i can believe him [03:47] prehaps he uses the 28hr day model - http://xkcd.com/320/ [03:48] yeah, saw that, too === DaveMorris thinks a cool screen saver could download the cartoons from rss and give you different ones each day [03:48] (30.88 MB/s) - `mythbuntu-7.10~070926-i386.iso' saved <--- hell yeah [03:49] are we doing another alpha release now then? [03:49] Daviey: gutsy beta has been released today. [03:50] 30.88MB/s! [03:50] meh :/ [03:53] i want a new lolcat every day [03:56] I can download @ 2.33MB/s (max speed i can get) to home from frink_'s box [03:57] bah, only 300-400k from uk-cdimages [03:57] laga: hmm.. that blows [03:57] i wish === Daviey shoots laga's idea to dust === laga cries [04:13] I'm not adverse to the idea... i just think it floats like a rock [04:14] Daviey: have you gotten a chance to play with the new script? [04:14] bendailey: eeek, no [04:14] bendailey: Did you discuss with superm1 about what database to use? [04:14] a fresh one, or drupal? [04:15] Daviey: yes I talked with superm1 and he is planning on putting it inside the drupal db to minimize backup/restore of mysql [04:15] I could demo it on uk.weeklybuilds.myth' [04:15] And do we know what happens, upon a drupal upgrade? [04:16] surely a full mysql dump is no extra effort? [04:16] drupal upgrade great question how does drupal deal with plugin tables? [04:16] :s [04:16] no idea.. [04:24] Daviey: I just looked at the update.php script in drupal and it seems to touch table on an individual basis extra tables *should* cause no harm [04:49] hm, definitely have a problem here. i suspect a lack of sudo-awareness [04:52] whats wrong> [05:01] nothing mythbuntuish, but no doubt something you guys have dealt with. torrentflux, which also needs to set up a mysql db/user, doesn't seem happy on any system where there's no real root account or mysql root password [05:02] create the DB manually? === hugolp [n=tu@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:10] well, yes, that's the user-friendly workaround [05:10] looks like a known bug which is fixed in gutsy, but that doesn't really help [05:11] use sane software [05:12] but if i did that, i'd have ditched gutsy already.. [05:12] guys no next alpha announce yet. [05:12] that disk was mainly for mvo to test things [05:12] superm1: oh. i was already announcing betas. ;) [05:12] but wow Daviey nice speeds [05:12] I've made a amd64 version today superm1 and I'll grab some screen shots of xfce on it [05:12] cool cool. so things that i pushed last night worked then? [05:13] I'll test it around 5:30ish after work :) [05:13] superm1: do you have time to setup those tables? [05:13] superm1: control centre is not completely fixed yet [05:13] superm1: it doesn't bork anymore, but i need to work out some last quirks [05:13] getting there? [05:13] good good [05:14] Daviey: are you comfortable with superm1 adding the tables for my download script to the drupal db? [05:14] working with mcc makes me wanna go back to xmltv, though [05:14] yeah i can do that bendailey [05:14] you got things ready to go with them? [05:15] laga, python is supposed to be 'fun' [05:15] so is heroine [05:15] it is? i prefer c# [05:15] oh, wait. [05:15] haha [05:16] superm1: so, what's the problem with making config files you can put on other boxes? [05:17] laga, it's an unfinished thought at this point [05:17] because you wouldnt want to duplicate *everything* in there [05:17] adding support shouldn't be hard. at least not writing out config files [05:17] true, but you could use it as a starting point [05:17] yeah writing out the config files is very easy [05:17] or define which settings to export [05:17] btw, is there a config file for the control centre already? [05:18] (or keep it all in debconf? ;)) [05:18] it's all generated on the fly [05:18] as you run it [05:18] superm1: I am feeling lazy about writing an admin script is using [05:18] superm1: ok [05:18] http://drupal.org/project/dba out of the question? [05:18] bendailey, well as long as there is some way to admin the box and easily add/remove mirrors [05:18] and disable mirrors [05:19] oh that looks pretty nice [05:19] i'll pop that on if you want to play with things with it [05:19] yeah I think that would be simple and powerful [05:19] that would be great [05:21] as long as everyone agrees no breaking the site... [05:21] since we all have equal rights on it :) [05:21] who's our primus inter pares? [05:24] bendailey: sorry was afkb [05:24] I'd prefer a different database, but If it's easier to do - then it shouldn't matter [05:25] bendailey, dba should be installed now [05:25] Daviey: no problem [05:25] superm1: great and I promise to not back the site :) [05:25] and you can upload scripts directly it looks like [05:25] superm1: can you edit apache confs on the box? [05:25] yeah i can [05:26] ok do we want to setup .com .net? [05:26] bendailey, here will be what you need to get at dba: http://mythbuntu.org/admin/build/database [05:26] yeah, i'm not sure how it should be done though? More vhosts? [05:26] or what's most appropriate [05:27] eh, im for domain forwarding [05:27] are we using rewrite for clean urls in drupal? [05:27] "Access denied [05:27] You are not authorized to access this page." [05:27] yah [05:28] superm1: same as Daviey here [05:29] interesting. well so maybe you don't have access by default [05:29] give me a moment and i'll add access [05:29] try now === hugol1 [n=tu@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:32] hmm site is just spinning but I can tracert to it [05:33] yea i can't access anything at mythbuntu.org now [05:33] which i would think is a bad thing [05:34] superm1: can you get shell at the box? [05:34] let me try [05:35] renaming variables *always* breaks stuff when i do it :/ [05:35] heh, this would be why we have a test site [05:36] well i got shell but it is *crawling* [05:36] top? [05:36] hm everything still appears to be alive [05:36] top doesnt show anythign using a ton of cpu [05:36] its just not very responsive [05:37] hmm net issues? [05:37] something using a ton of bandwidth? [05:37] bendailey, that would be highly coincidencle [05:37] well hm what to do then. [05:38] agreed but .... you never know [05:38] install bmon or what it's caleld and take a look? ;) [05:38] i'll restart apache2 === DaveMorris [n=dave@cubert.itri.bton.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:39] mythbuntu just loaded [05:39] okay so restarting apache2 helped [05:39] i wonder what was with that [05:39] now have access to dba also [05:41] superm1: I am going to to prefix all the download script tables with dl_ so they are grouped in the dba make sense to you? [05:41] Daviey: ^^^ [05:41] yeah that makes sense [05:41] can I upload the download script? [05:43] alright, off to apply to graduate, biab [05:43] gah === laga mutters under his breath [05:45] superm1: why don't we add server aliases for .com and .net then use a rewrite rule to send all request to .org [05:45] that way we can keep a single vhost [05:45] yeah go for it bendailey [05:46] yeah that is probably the easiest route to go [05:46] without needing to make more vhosts [05:46] I can't get to the vhost conf can i? [05:51] bah [05:51] fsckin'g intendation with python. i never actually modified the debconf database because that code block belonged to the wrong if clause [05:52] whitespace sensitivity is my main python complaint [05:53]