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ubotuIn #ubuntu, quittt_ said: ubotu: nobody is shouting... it just big letters01:18
mneptokopen and revolving!01:40
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ubotuIn ubotu, Pici said: no beta is <reply> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta | ISOs and torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ | Remember this is development software and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+101:47
ubotuIf you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.01:47
Picithats <alias> final01:48
PriceChildsounds like a plan01:48
PriceChildone of those links is broken01:49
PiciYes. Its on the wiki page, I assume that'll be fixed when the beta actually is releaed.01:49
PriceChildthe beta isn't even out yet?01:50
PiciWant me to resubmit it again tomorrow when the link is live?01:50
PriceChildyeah poke one of us when its ready :)01:51
PriceChildWe'll have to get you access to the bot soon :)01:51
PiciWill do :)01:51
gnomefreakPriceChild: the ISO's should be about ready but hasnt been released. todays daily is the release ISO iirc01:54
PriceChildyeah, checking stgrabber or w/e its called would probably give hte best indication of status01:55
gnomefreakit might i cant remember if its just test results but they were spinning the final beta 1 today or first thing tomorrow afaik01:55
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ubotuIn ubotu, coreymon77 said: what is a bot02:53
coreymon77what the02:53
coreymon77soryy bout that02:54
PriceChildcoreymon77, don't use "is" when you talk to him.02:55
coreymon77playing around with ubotu02:55
coreymon77what does that do02:55
PriceChildbecause then hat happens.02:55
PriceChildbecause it thinks you're trying to teach it a new factoid02:56
PriceChildcoreymon77, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots02:56
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Jucatoso we all get to see what you're trying to teach ubotu and have a small laugh :)03:01
coreymon77why dont the fun mess plugin commands work for me in offtopic03:07
stdinthey're broke afaik, they don't work anywhere03:08
coreymon77are they broke03:10
ubotuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, coreymon77 said: !dumber is the mess plugin not working03:11
coreymon77had to do that03:11
ubotuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, coreymon77 said: !mc44 is dumb03:12
coreymon77Jucato: you can have your fun03:12
Jucatowell my fun is short lived. gtg03:13
ubotuIn #ubuntu-bots, coreymon77 said: !no dumber is none of the non-factoid functions of ubotu working03:19
coreymon77im done03:19
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Jucatostdin: the nick and IP of that Hacker dude looks mightily familiar to the one I banned yesterday03:34
Jucatothe one that caused CTCP flooding in #kubuntu03:34
stdinahh, yes I see03:35
coreymon77Jucato: want me to do more ubotu is things to entertain you?03:35
Jucatocoreymon77: no thanks. that would be enough for today :)03:36
coreymon77im bored now03:36
mneptoki'm Chairman Of The Bored03:37
coreymon77im president of the bored03:38
Jucatowhere is the motherbored?03:38
Jucatook that was cheesy03:39
JucatoI thought you meant yes :)03:39
stdinJucato: I set the ban to *!Hacker@*.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net for now03:39
Jucatostdin: cool03:39
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gnomefreakget ready for him03:40
tonyyarussowho is it?03:41
Jucatognomefreak: thought you were asleep?03:41
gnomefreaki am :(03:41
gnomefreakJucato: i forgot to do something before ending my day03:41
gnomefreaktonyyarusso: a troll that told us to f*** off or something like it03:41
gnomefreakit was a while ago03:41
stdinwhy did *!Hacker@*.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net not work??03:42
gnomefreakljl pricechild and nal_ioth were here i dont want to ping any of them until needed ;)03:43
gnomefreakstdin: do 2 separeate bans see if that helps03:43
stdinI've banned *!*@adsl-70-132-24-244.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net too, but he has a dynamic IP03:43
stdinhe's n=Hacker@adsl-70-132-24-244.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net  so the 1st one should have got that03:44
gnomefreaknow do a +d or +b on his name03:44
gnomefreaki would go with +b on Hacker TBH03:44
gnomefreakheh im evil03:45
gnomefreakTm_T: try a +d on Nathaniel Theis03:45
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gnomefreakyou would need a ? between the 203:45
gnomefreakHacker: can we help you with something?03:45
stdindoes case matter with nicks, usernames?03:45
Tm_Tgnomefreak: sorry I fail to understand what you mean03:46
Picistdin: Not to my knowlege03:46
gnomefreakTm_T: talk about it in a few03:46
Tm_Tstdin: no03:47
gnomefreakHacker: is there a reason why you are in here? do you need something?03:49
Jucatohere he goes again03:50
Jucato[09:50]  <Hacker> init ctcp 0x00 in a PM03:50
gnomefreakJucato: ok lets see if he continues03:51
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Tm_TMadpilot <303:51
gnomefreakslow down :)03:51
gnomefreaki was kind of waiting for a bit more than ping staffers since its wider than channel03:52
naliothso what exactly is going on?03:53
Madpilotlet him back in if you want...03:53
gnomefreaknalioth: hacker (from what i gather) is evading bans and ctcp pinging people03:55
stdinI think those bans in #k should keep him out for now03:55
gnomefreakTm_T: Jucato can tell you more details about it03:55
naliothyes, let him in03:55
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naliothnoboby should be banned from here immediately03:55
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Madpilothe's been bouncing in and out, I gather03:55
gnomefreaknalioth: i unbanned that other guy from earlier03:55
gnomefreakMadpilot: more in #kubuntu than here03:56
gnomefreakhere he joined left joined banned03:56
Madpilotbut ya, I might have jumped the gun a bit :)03:56
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gnomefreakMadpilot: i dont think you did03:57
Madpilotperhaps not03:57
HackerI am sorry. I was going to the bathroom.03:57
MadpilotHacker, welcome to #ubuntu-ops. Any actual reason you're visiting?03:57
HackerYes. I was banned from #kubuntu.03:58
Jucatofor bot abuse and consistently talking non-sense in the channel03:59
Tm_Tin short, abusive behaviour04:00
Jucatoand yesterday was another story04:00
Tm_Talso ban evading04:00
gnomefreaklooking for it atm04:00
Jucatoaround 12 hours ago based on the bad I put04:01
gnomefreaki got it04:01
Jucatoaround 15:20 UTC I think04:01
gnomefreakHacker: do you know why you were banned yesterday?04:06
HackerI was repeating "init ctcp ping 0x00" over and over again.04:08
gnomefreakHacker: ok do you know why you were banned today?04:08
Jucatoyes that was 12 hours ago04:08
Tm_Tstdin: hey04:09
gnomefreakmost bans are 24hours but at the ops choice04:09
stdinTm_T :)04:09
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JucatoI was about to, but then you had to. so...04:09
Hackerone sec04:10
HackerI do not know04:12
Jucato<Jucato> for bot abuse and consistently talking non-sense in the channel04:13
Jucato<Tm_T> in short, abusive behaviour04:13
gnomefreakHacker: you were banned today for 1 ban evading than also from pinging users with the init ctcp ping 0x00 crap04:13
gnomefreakas well as what was just stated.04:13
ubotuIn ubotu, RAdams said: hate is the only thing that keeps me warm at night04:13
gnomefreakJucato: i was getting there04:13
Jucatooh sorry04:13
gnomefreak!ubotu > RAdams04:13
ubotuIn ubotu, RAdams said: masochism is gratification gained from pain, deprivation, degradation, etc., inflicted or imposed on oneself, either as a result of one's own actions or the actions of others, esp. the tendency to seek this form of gratification.04:14
HackerAnd you don't say RAdams is talking nonsense, do you?04:15
PiciHacker: Don't worry about that, we're dealing with it.04:15
gnomefreakHacker: i just said something to him but we are not here to talk about him04:15
JucatoHacker: but he's doing it in a PM with ubotu. not in a main channel04:15
HackerBut ubotu is saying it right back to the channel.04:16
gnomefreakJucato: who was las tto ban him in #kubuntu04:16
gnomefreakstdin: how long do you propose the ban stand?04:16
stdinwell, I originally said to Hacker to come back in 24 hours and we'd see about the ban04:17
stdinthe ban evading makes me want to rethink that tho04:17
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=== gnomefreak cant think give me a minute please (this is why gf dont let me online at ned time
HackerReally? I thought you said come back now and you would un-ban me in 24 hours.04:20
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stdinSep 27 02:45:08 <stdin> in 24 hours join #ubuntu-ops and we'll see04:21
gnomefreakbed sorry04:21
Jucatognomefreak: your one minute is over :)04:21
stdinok, my decision is: Hacker read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines and http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct  then in 24 hours you ban(s) will be lifted if you don't try evading the ban again. after that you can join #kubuntu but remember you will be observed in there04:21
gnomefreakJucato: yeah i know04:21
gnomefreakstdin: may i add something?04:22
HackerI actually was not trying to evade the ban.04:22
stdinHacker: you were after I banned you and you rejoined04:22
HackerMy hostmask changes every 24 hours.04:23
gnomefreakhow about he comes in here in 24 hours and if he has read them hes good to go but instead of just unbanning have him ask in here04:23
stdingnomefreak: well yes, that's actually what I meant. but you put it more clearly 04:23
gnomefreakah ok04:23
stdinHacker: do you understand ?04:24
HackerI think so04:24
gnomefreakHacker: please join this channel in 24 hours and we will than concider unbanning you but please read the 2 links above04:24
gnomefreakdoes that sound ok to all parties?04:24
HackerOK. Thank you for your time. 04:25
stdinsounds acceptable to me04:25
Jucatono problem here04:26
gnomefreakok good im going to bed than ;) night all04:26
Jucatog'night gnomefreak!04:27
stdinnight gnomefreak04:27
stdinHacker: if there is nothing else you can leave this channel now04:28
Hackeroops. knew there was something i forgot to do!04:28
stdinfore reference (and incase I'm not here in 24 hours) these are the bans currently in place for Hacker http://stdin.pastebin.us/3975404:29
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Picithose bans are kind of redundant04:30
Jucatooh... I consider myself idling in here :)04:30
stdinit's ok for ops to idle, it's our job :p04:30
JucatoI think this is the first time I was actively involved in an op-related discussion in here :P04:30
stdindido :)04:31
mneptok"ditto"  :)04:31
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stdinahh, Jucato knows my typing skills have been lacking the last few days :p04:32
mneptokDido was the mythic founder of Carthage in Roman mythos04:32
PiciShe 'fell' on her sword04:32
Jucato"and I... want to thank you... for giving me the best day of my life..."04:32
gnomefreakno meant you are an op you can stay04:34
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Madpilot'first op-related discussion' - yes, normally we're discussing mneptok's strangeness or LongPointyStick's scariness...04:35
JucatoI meant the first time I'm involved in :)04:36
MadpilotPici, at least four of them are bots04:37
PiciMadpilot: Yes, thank you for pointing that out.04:37
Madpilot<== Master of the Obvious. ;)04:38
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ubotuIn #ubuntu, FuBaR said: !ask how well is ubuntu with windows applications and games?06:06
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cirkitsome faggots in #ubuntu have banned me for asking how to install Ubuntu Linux. How do I get these dumb niggers to remove the ban?06:48
naliothwho resembles that remark?06:49
robdunno, skinheads?06:51
Madpilotthere is actually a ban against that... person... in #u - set a few days ago. 06:52
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naliothhi Hobbsee 07:49
Hobbseehi nalioth 07:51
naliothhowzit goin, Hobbsee ?07:51
Hobbseenalioth: it's going OK07:52
naliothafter 8 months, i got a haircut07:52
naliothpoor hairdresser almost slipped and fell down on the carpet . . .07:52
naliothhad a big ol' ZZ Top beard (it's gone now, too)07:53
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tonyyarussonixternal: yaaaaaay comcast08:00
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ShadowXPmy router isnt affected by said dcc exploit08:41
ShadowXPis it the startkeylogger exploit?08:42
ShadowXPor a new one?08:42
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tonyyarussoI think it was keylogger08:42
tonyyarussoa sec08:42
tonyyarussoShadowpillar: can you join ##tonyyarusso for a minute?08:43
tonyyarussowow, my connection is terrible atm08:49
tonyyarussoShadowpillar: still there?08:49
Shadowpillartomaw, yes09:02
Shadowpillartonyyarusso, yes09:02
tonyyarussoShadowpillar: should be all good now09:04
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ubotuMenZa called the ops in #ubuntu09:07
Mez/cs l ftw09:11
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elkbuntuw00t for still having windows installed on my PC... gateway baby!09:15
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Hobbseeyou found internet!09:16
elkbuntui got the PC booted into windows acting as gateway09:17
Hobbseewhere are you now?  gj?09:18
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elkbuntuHobbsee, nope, home with dialup. phone got connected last night, and i was in bed when i got your message but was too close to sleep tor espond09:20
Hobbseeelkbuntu: ahhh.  i suspected as much09:21
ubotuoverclucker called the ops in #ubuntu10:47
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ubotusoundray called the ops in #ubuntu11:30
livingdaylightcan someone test me?11:35
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PiciSeveas: And good morning to you too02:21
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SeveasPici, it's afternoon already02:22
PiciSeveas: Yeah yeah...02:22
Hobbseehi Seveas 02:23
HobbseeSeveas: can we get ubotu in #ubuntu-testing to shout out the bug #'s?02:23
SeveasHobbsee, was fixed already02:25
HobbseeSeveas: ah good, thanks.  wasnt last time i checked02:26
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livingdaylightcan someone test my conection?02:27
LjLexploit again?02:28
LjLjust how many times have you been affected?02:29
LjLlivingdaylight, i've seen you affected by the exploit way too many times. i really want to make sure you've fixed it for good - so, i'll test you now, but *please* don't let it happen again or i'll have to believe you just don't want to join #ubuntu02:31
livingdaylightLjL, huh?02:32
HobbseeLjL: doesnt he usually get banned for other reasons?02:32
LjLHobbsee: that too02:32
LjLlivingdaylight, huh about which part?02:32
livingdaylightno i don't02:32
LjLwhich both parts? you don't believe you have been forwarded because of that connection issue before?02:33
livingdaylighti can't help if my router is susceptible02:33
LjLno, but you certainly can set up things like you've done now02:33
LjLand *keep it* set up like that02:33
livingdaylighthow does mean i don't want to join #ubuntu when i do?02:33
Seveasand you *can* fix it02:33
Seveasfirmware upgrade02:34
LjLwell maybe that's not always very much likely to work, but still02:34
livingdaylightSeveas, i'm not a computer/linux geek/pro ok?02:34
livingdaylighti just use this stuff02:34
Seveasthe thing has a *manual* explaining how to do it02:34
livingdaylightso, why am i being accused?02:34
LjLlivingdaylight, the point is: you *know* how to connect to port 8001, because you've done it. so, i have no idea why you always seem to revert it back to the wrong port.02:35
livingdaylightLjL, i don't 'revert' I reinstall Ubuntu or something and don't think of setting it to 800102:35
LjLdon't the last versions of irc clients in the latest ubuntus come with 8001 by default?02:35
livingdaylightits been working for some weeks now and i just haven't thought of it... but no intentional malice 02:36
HobbseeLjL: they do, yes.02:36
LjLincluding xchat 2.8.0?02:36
Hobbseein gutsy02:36
LjLah, in gutsy02:36
livingdaylighthow do i know... i'm running feisty02:36
LjLlivingdaylight, anyway, please just remember to set 8001 next time you reinstall or things like that'02:37
LjLnow you can join02:37
livingdaylightI don't appreciate you coming down heavy on me like that... no need... and the other 'huh' is about being banned02:37
livingdaylightthere was an issue some time back with #ubuntuforums but thats another story02:38
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LjLlivingdaylight, i think you incurred in bans kind of often, which can make us suspicious, though it's not really relevant to the issue at hand02:38
LjLwell, some people play Tetris when they're bored02:39
LjLsome people format hard drives02:39
livingdaylightpffff... whatever... thanks amigo... peace02:39
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LjLi'm kind of the latter too tbh02:40
LjLbut i also play tetris when i'm not *that* bored02:40
jdongI've learned over the years to rsync my entire drive though :)02:40
LjLi think he's laughing his ass off02:40
LjLi've learned over the years that it's more trouble to make backups than to just scream and throw a couple of chairs around when data loss occurs02:41
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Seveaskenchu will be banned for that02:46
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LjLSeveas, he was banforwarded to here from #ubuntu02:46
LjLhe always has that kick message02:46
PiciSeveas: I think thats why hes here in the first place, banforwarded.02:46
LjLi don't think anyone's got around to talking to him yet02:46
Seveaswell, he's now banned from here as well 02:46
LjLi didn't notice he was here now02:46
Seveaswasn't banned in ubuntu02:47
Piciodd then..02:47
Seveasdhcp I guess02:47
LjLwell i had banned *someone* who had that quit message02:47
LjLyeah, dynamic address02:48
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jdongthen someone told him just to ask his question02:49
jdongnow he's asking the ether whether or not us mods can hear him02:49
jdong*sigh* I should be nice and talk, but class is in 10m02:50
LjLtoo bad02:50
LjLsome people have a fetish for joining channels and looking for "moderators" just for the sake of doing it02:50
ikonia_jdong: just as a warning he's an arse 02:51
jdongikonia_: oh lovely.02:51
ikonia_jdong: he's been banned from #ubuntu about 10,0000 times02:51
LjLwho's that02:51
LjLyeah i even have him on highlight, but still missed him in the /who02:52
ikonia_ahhh he's complaining that he's banned from the forums now02:52
jdongLjL: eep02:52
LjLhe remembers i banned him02:52
ikonia_shock horror02:53
Pici <LjL> some people have a fetish for joining channels and looking for "moderators" just for the sake of doing it. -- Yeah, but they usually ask right afterwords how they can become a moderator/op02:53
ikonia_I don't think you're getting that from ken02:54
LjLsometimes, yes02:54
LjLno, i don't think either :)02:54
Piciikonia_: I know, just giving an example ;)02:54
LjL[14:54:06]  --> tmccrary has joined this channel (n=tmccrary@  yay!02:54
ikonia_I need to put my <sarcasm> tags on 02:54
ikonia_which channel02:54
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LjLa "friend" of mine02:54
LjLhe's actually helping me this time though02:55
naliothwow you guys are loud02:55
ikonia_seveas is funy02:55
ikonia_genunily makes me laugh02:55
ikonia_LjL: I think there mucst be something in the water, your all on good humour form 02:57
LjLi know, they keep insisting the tap water is fine and better than mineral, but it still tastes weird, i'm sure it's a conspiracy02:58
ikonia_I'm laughing in the office, people are wondering what I'm laughing at02:58
LjLthat's a typical side effect of IRC03:00
ikonia_yes, but its pleasent03:01
Hobbseeoh no, not kenthompson03:03
ikonia_ha ha ha ha ha03:03
LjLoh yes03:03
ikonia_he been banned from the forums now03:04
ikonia_ha ha ha03:04
ikonia_he's showing maturity by not registering another account 03:05
LjLhe thinks he does03:05
ikonia_I'll be good, put your trust in me, etc etc03:05
ikonia_he used to get banned once a week 03:05
LjLand tmccrary too is the usual tmccrary... my reply to him wasn't satisfying, so he suddenly left rather irritated *sigh*03:05
ikonia_jdong: get in #ubuntoforums, I want to read more pleas03:06
=== Pici is *still* reading through kenthompson's bantracker
=== Hobbsee didnt bother
Hobbseeoh, this is the one who was arguing with me about common sense, wasnt it?03:06
PiciHe was arguing with you a lot it seems.03:07
ikonia_Hobbsee: think of any situation you can of why someone will be banned and ken will have done it so "yes"03:07
LjLPici: try without a "p" in the name :P03:07
PiciLjL: yeah yeah ;)03:07
Hobbseeikonia_: heh03:07
ikonia_LjL: is he still banned in #ubuntu without the p in his name ?03:07
HobbseePici: likely03:07
Piciikonia_: It was a typo, I was searching in the bantracker w/o the p03:07
LjLikonia_, no, he was in there a couple of minute ago03:08
ikonia_LjL: yeah, I wondered if he'd subtle changed his nick to get in there03:08
LjLhe's always been kenthomson with*out* the P as far as i'm aware03:08
LjLthat's what i have as a highlight and what is in the tracker03:08
LjLjdong: you fool03:09
jdonglol was I supposed to pretend I got hit by a bus? :D03:09
ikonia_yes jdong is back !03:10
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=== Pici waits patiently
ikonia_I wonder when "I've found jesus and will behave" line will be used03:10
ikonia_I predict 5 minutes, any takes $$$03:10
LjLjdong: you were merely supposed to not be that masochistic :)03:10
jdongikonia_: ROFL you're not joking, right?03:12
ikonia_thats the only line I've not seen him use, so yeah, I'll take that bet03:12
ikonia_its all he has left to plead with03:12
Hobbseeoh damn, it hasnt been logging03:12
Hobbseecan someone pastebin me the backscroll, from when he entered?03:13
ikonia_Hobbsee: that wave was menecing03:13
LjL[15:11:58]  [Whois]  freeAgent is n=spamhote@c-71-57-71-252.hsd1.il.comcast.net (David)    there's this guy, he had joined before with a 'GotAMD' nickname... he's registered but the ident is kind of weird, i've never seen him say anything03:14
LjLthe Pointy Wave of Doom?03:14
ikonia_is he a "smith"03:15
PiciHobbsee: http://pastebin.com/f99e8b4a03:15
jdongwow... talk about a troll...03:16
ikonia_ha ha ha03:16
LjLaaaah jdong, that's professionalism, not like us03:16
ikonia_apprantly he has changed his way03:16
ikonia_if he adds it to the council agenda, I want to see it03:16
ikonia_wow - no offesnive message on part03:17
jdongLjL: meh it's just me being naive :)03:17
ikonia_$10 says a new nick will be reigstered under the same ip in less than 2 minutes03:18
ikonia_any takers ?03:18
=== ikonia_ feels like betting
LjLi don't bet03:18
ikonia_I don't normally however I like winning ;)03:19
jdongthe guy simply sounds like a troll; i'm not convinced at all that he has changed03:20
=== jdong checks his IP's
ubotuIf you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.03:20
Picimc44: I have one ready03:20
mc44Pici: well, it's out :)03:21
Picino beta is <reply> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta | ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ | It is development software and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+103:21
PiciCan someone with bot access do their magic?03:22
LjL!no beta is <reply> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+103:23
ubotuI'll remember that LjL03:23
PiciSounds good :)03:23
HobbseePici: you dont have bot access?03:24
Hobbseehm, seems not03:24
Hobbsee%addeditor Pici 03:25
HobbseePici: can you register with the bot please?03:25
LjLmc44: oooh i see in the screenshot what you meant with the deskbar having become crap03:25
LjLwhy on earth did they do that? it was fine as a drop-down menu03:25
ikonia_can you share the screen shot03:26
LjLbut then again, strigi was fine as an applet rather than a tray icon03:26
LjLikonia, the first link in !beta03:26
ikonia_!beta >ikonia03:26
ikonia_the bot redirect appears borked03:26
ikonia_!beta > ikonia03:27
LjLanyway the link is up there03:27
PiciHobbsee: Er, @register is not a valid command for whatever reason.03:32
HobbseePici: /msg ubotu register Pici <p/w>03:32
Pici@help register <ubotu> Error: There is no command "register".03:33
PiciI have my own supybot, I know how it should work.03:34
LjLubotu: register ljl blah03:34
=== jdong sits in awe....
LjLguess he disabled it03:34
jdongthis recitation instructor is giving all the answers to the problems Iw was too lazy to do03:34
jdonghow can this day get any better?03:34
LjLyes Pici, if you do a "list user", you'll see that "unregister" is there, but "register" is not03:35
ikonia_jdong who ?03:35
jdongikonia_: my chemistry TA03:35
PiciLjL: Yep.03:35
ikonia_jdong how lukcy are you 03:35
LjLwow, i'm consistently downloading from the ubuntu servers at a speed in excess of 1mb per second... never happened03:36
ikonia_good connection03:36
=== jdong hugs himself
LjLyeah but i usually cannot download that fast from my ISP's own servers... and i'm on fiber optics, it shouldn't that much depend on the time of the day!03:36
LjLbesides, shouldn't the ubuntu servers be loaded :o)03:37
jdongLjL: I've noticed that recently03:37
jdongLjL: the main ubuntu servers all sped up the past month or so03:37
ikonia_not many updates going on though to e honest03:37
ikonia_look at the latest, few hearders03:37
ikonia_very small 03:37
LjLbeta's always like that...03:38
ikonia_not many people doing clean installs possibly down to gusty 03:38
ikonia_headers that should read 03:38
LjLjdong: well i *am* downloading from 4 servers at a time just to make it a faster -- i mean, to spread the load among the servers :)03:38
jdongLjL: ROFL the last time I said that elmo strangled me :D03:38
LjLjdong, i'm not afraid of people 20000km away from me strangling me... :P besides, it makes no sense, because one thing is setting up multiple connections to the *same* server, which is a bad thing to do -- another is to concurrently download from *multiple* servers, which really *does* spread the load and actually does them a favor03:39
jdongLjL: I know your rational and I believe in that too, but the flipside is that it reduces the total number of download slots across all mirrors... and that does not do Ubuntu a favor as a whole03:40
jdongLjL: unless it's release day, it's a nonissue03:40
LjLwell the number of download slots should depend on the bandwidth taken by each, not be independent of that03:41
LjLtheir issue if it is :)03:41
jdonglol, it's slightly dependent on maximum allowed number of clients though03:42
LjLalso, i *do* it on release day, but merely to seed the torrents fast03:42
jdongyeah, I do similar too03:46
jdongand jump on and uncap  my upload on 2 or 3 machines03:46
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neyvaroalcual es tu msn 04:39
neyvaroalel mio es neyvafasion@hotmail.com04:39
neyvaroaltienes msn04:39
neyvaroalel mio no es es de mi ermana04:39
LjLno tenemos msn aqui04:40
neyvaroalel mio es mirella-xula@hotmai.com si kieres hablar conmigo04:40
neyvaroala onde04:40
LjLpor que IRC es mas friki y nos somos frikis04:40
neyvaroalagrarame plis04:40
PiciWhats a frikis?04:41
LjLPici: nerd04:41
Piciand "agrarame plis"?04:42
LjLPici: plis is please, the other i'm wondering04:42
LjLPici: most likely a misspelling of something weird04:43
LjLwhich wouldn't be too surprising04:43
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LjLmy regex isn't working04:50
LjLi blame mc4404:50
LjLola loka04:50
Piciloka ola04:50
lokakien ere04:50
LjLes mi amigo04:50
Hobbseeola loka 04:50
lokad donde ere04:51
LjLde frikia, un pais al lao de la luna04:51
lokavenga d donde ere en serio yo de espaa04:52
LjLok, yo de italia04:52
LjLxenophobe, tsk04:52
PiciThe last one gave 2 hotmail addresses.04:53
LjLat such an advanced stage that even the network is affected and one gets plenty multiple IPs04:55
PriceChilddidn't realise there was a CC meeting today04:57
ubotuCurrent time in Etc/UTC: September 27 2007, 14:58:16 - Next meeting: Community Council meeting in 1 minute04:58
PriceChild1 minute Pici!!!! quick run!04:58
=== Pici scurries
PriceChildSeveas, #ubuntuforums been up to any naughtiness? 8-)05:00
LjLPriceChild: we didn't do anything, honest05:01
PiciPriceChild: kenthomson was around earlier.05:01
SeveasPriceChild, I had a bit of fun, not too naughty05:10
PiciPriceChild: heres part of the conversation  http://pastebin.com/f99e8b4a05:11
PriceChildlovely :)05:14
LjLmc44, Pici, little update, the original author of the tty error wiki page confirmed to me that the instructions about using a /dev instead of the UUID were written intentionally, as he had experienced cases when the *correct* UUID would result in the error, while the device node wouldn't05:15
PriceChildSeveas, did you poke jono about that irc-council@l.u.c email btw?05:17
SeveasPriceChild, I did, mailing list is there but slipped my mind05:17
Seveasbeen working on ubuntu-nl the past days05:18
Seveasmeeting, new structures, google maps integration, website updates, new logo, 05:18
PriceChildRather you than me :)05:19
Seveasit's been fun05:19
PriceChildSeveas, have you got admin on the list then...? I just emailed it and it bounced waiting approval...05:19
SeveasPriceChild, I have05:19
PriceChild"Post by non-member to a members-only list"05:19
SeveasWill set it up later05:19
PriceChildhehe cool :)05:19
Seveasinkscape ++05:20
mc44my eeeeyes!05:20
LjLstop poking them after eating spices05:21
=== Pici gives mc44 his eyes back
Seveasmc44, http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/ubuntu-nl/steunpunten/2/cd/05:21
Seveasthat'll kill your eyes05:21
mc44way to get some stalkers :)05:22
LjLnot so much as your launchpad picture05:22
LjLoh and, water pumps sometimes break05:22
PriceChildPici, did someone change the beta factoid?05:29
uboturiotkittie called the ops in #ubuntu05:29
PiciPriceChild: It got changed.05:29
PriceChildgd gd :)05:29
PriceChildis it on releases. now?05:30
ubotuGutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+105:30
LjLPriceChild isn't it better to do the nicknames, the addresses tend to change05:33
PriceChildLjL, but so do the nicknames?05:33
LjLPriceChild: well usually not, unless one *wants* to evade the bans05:33
PriceChildAnd they do :)05:34
LjLbut with people forwarded to -read-topic, the assumption is they don't05:34
PriceChild*thwacks livingdaylight amongst others*05:34
LjLwell ok, some do05:34
LjLbut those are the ones that get banned for other things too =)05:34
PriceChildthose spammers are still going into -unregged05:34
tonyyarussoIf it helps, they aren't only getting #ubuntu :S05:35
Picianyone ! staff yet?05:36
PiciOr do they look to be on it already?05:37
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EstethI was supposed to come here to be tested for DCC exploit05:37
LjLEsteth: sure, i'll test you05:37
tonyyarussoPici: not sure05:37
tonyyarussousually they notice05:38
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LjLesteth, i suggest that you re-read the instructions more carefully05:38
EstethHmm. I changed the port in pidgin. Let me double check.05:38
PriceChild*cringes at pidgin for irc* :P05:39
LjLEsteth, make sure you disconnect and reconnect05:39
LjLor the port won't be changed05:39
EstethLjL: Ah, that might be my problem then. I'll be back in a sec then05:39
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LjLthe server, not the channel, damn05:39
nixternal10:39:30 DCC aborted receiving file ILOVEPENIS from forthelulz05:40
nixternalwhat is this world coming too?05:40
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EstethBack, mind re-testing?05:40
LjLnixternal, just the same old exploit05:40
PriceChildEsteth, you need to leave the server, not the channels05:40
LjLEsteth: you seem good now, one second please05:41
PiciI should work on finishing my join-flood and dcc exploit detection script for irssi.05:41
PriceChildah gd gd then :)05:41
nixternalya, but can you come up with something more unique? god, I am starting to hate kids :p05:41
PiciIt already kind of works.05:41
EstethThanks a lot :)05:41
LjLthank you05:41
EstethPriceChild: I was told irssi was good and better than pidgin, and i tried it, but i like the "everything is allready set up and it just works" thing i get with pidgin, whereas in irssi i had to do lots of configuration to set up highlighting messages with my nick in them etc...05:43
PriceChildIf you used the clients from ubuntu, i'm pretty sure 8001 is the default port in gaim and you wouldn't have had this problem :P05:43
PriceChildEsteth, I'm an xchat man.05:43
LjLtonyyarusso, are they still around in other channels afayk?05:45
PriceChildNot that I can see...05:45
PriceChildand they seem to have stopped popping into #ubuntu-unregged05:46
tonyyarussoLjL: not sure of channels, since by default Freenode only shows mutual channels in whois.  They are on-network though.  (non-ubuntu)05:46
PriceChildtonyyarusso, I don't think that's the default... you need to set that mode on you don't you?05:46
PriceChildor +s on the channel05:47
PiciIts not the default.05:47
tonyyarussoPriceChild: could be wrong - isn't that the +i *user* mode, which is default?05:47
LjLPriceChild: attempt a provisional -r?05:47
PriceChild*readies his trigger finger*05:48
LjLlet's wait a little before kicking from -unregged05:48
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ubotu"Hola" tiene una H inicial. Y puesto que el autor de este mensaje no habla espaol pero esribe "hola", *tu* podrias tambien hacer el esfuerzo! Pero, hagalo en #ubuntu-es, por que aqu solo hablamos ingls.05:49
PriceChildjust had another exploit05:51
LjL+r reset05:51
PriceChildLjL, zwob was registered05:51
Picizwob sounds familiar.05:52
LjLPriceChild: *shrug*05:52
LjLregistered 5 minutes ago05:52
LjLprepare for +m05:52
Picizwob = zewb, zewb is still tehre.05:52
Picior he was.05:53
LjL!staff | many exploits occurring05:53
ubotumany exploits occurring: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)05:53
PiciHes done this a few times iirc.05:54
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eidolonre-instate me please.05:59
PriceChildeidolon, you want a test?06:00
eidolonand, does someone have a pointer to a an exact description of this exploit?06:00
eidolonplease.  i changed my connect port to 8001.06:00
ubotuThere are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit06:00
eidolonthat web page says -zero- about what the xploit is, and how it works, and what to do about it, thanks, i looked there already.06:00
eidolon"Fix your router" is insufficient information.06:00
LjLeidolon: the exploit simply involves fooling your router into believing that some strings are DCC commands. since some routers think they're so smart that they can parse IRC commands correctly, but aren't, they crash.06:01
PriceChildeidolon, you're unbanned in #ubuntu.06:01
eidolonPriceChild: i got the DCC, nothing happened.06:01
PriceChildLjL, lets try another -r?06:01
eidolonthat's interesting.  i don't think my router has been crashing.06:01
eidolonthough i suppose it's possible.06:01
PriceChildeidolon, you _were_ affected earlier.06:01
gnomefreakthats why you ended up here :)06:02
eidolonnoted.  was that my router resetting?  or something in xchat?06:02
eidolon*nod* 06:02
eidolonif this is my router whacking out, i'd like to know it :)  i've had problems with my router stopping handing out DHCP leases and if this is the root cause, that'd be nice.06:03
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ubotu"Hola" tiene una H inicial. Y puesto que el autor de este mensaje no habla espaol pero esribe "hola", *tu* podrias tambien hacer el esfuerzo! Pero, hagalo en #ubuntu-es, por que aqu solo hablamos ingls.06:03
gnomefreakeidolon: it was a DCC 'expliot. when you were removed by the exploit someone banfowarded you to #ubuntu-read-topicor whatever the channel name is06:03
=== Pici thinks its about time LjL got rid of that...
LjLeidolon, router reset, although you might not even notice that outside of the IRC connection06:03
eidolonwell i have a ton of stateful connections (VPN on other machines, plus a bunch of ssh connections)06:03
LjLeidolon, well, maybe on your router only the IRC connection is lost - several different makes are affected, as far as i know06:04
eidolon(sorry if i'm taking up time here, but this is sort of important).  how long has this sploit been running?06:04
eidoloni'm running a linksys wrt54g.06:04
PiciOver a year.06:04
eidolonwow.  i've been poking my client because my VPN keeps dropping with them.  i wonder if this has been it.06:04
eidolonwhat is the test?  i'm on another irc network, folks are asking how to test for a vulnerability (I run my own IRC network - 4-5 servers)06:05
eidoloni see PriceChild's dcc at me, but i don't know if that had special chars.06:06
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LjLeidolon, we simply replicate the exploit06:06
ubotu"Hola" tiene una H inicial. Y puesto que el autor de este mensaje no habla espaol pero esribe "hola", *tu* podrias tambien hacer el esfuerzo! Pero, hagalo en #ubuntu-es, por que aqu solo hablamos ingls.06:06
LjLeidolon, it doesn't in fact06:06
eidolonenglish please.06:06
LjLit's just a plain malformed exploit06:06
LjLeidolon that wasn't directed at you06:06
eidolonso dcc send "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" ?06:06
eidolonthe chars don't matter i take it :)06:06
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LjLnote that doing it in a channel will most often get you banned - or k-lined06:06
LjLso, avoid it06:06
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CoasterMasterCan I be tested for the DCC Exploit?06:07
Picieidolon: can you not repeat that in here though, it tends to ping all of us ;)06:07
Hobbseethat should have triggered the auto-kline script06:07
eidolonyep, i know.  i'm not doing it on freenode.  i'm doign it back on my local net.06:07
eidolonright, i know :)06:07
tonyyarussoHobbsee: no longer on06:07
eidolonHobbsee: i didn't DCC it.06:07
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CoasterMasterAlso, what is kline? I've heard the term, but don't know what it means06:07
Hobbseetonyyarusso: damn06:07
PriceChildCoasterMaster, you seem ok06:07
eidolonit's a 'kill' line.  you're banned from the server by the configuration.06:07
LjLHobbsee, i think the script is long gone...?06:07
CoasterMasterThanks PriceChild06:07
CoasterMastereidolon, but what causes it?06:07
PriceChildCoasterMaster, ircops placing it on you if you're naughty06:07
gnomefreakLjL: there were a few of htem atm06:07
eidolonCoasterMaster: a k-line is added by an IRCop.06:08
LjLgnomefreak what?06:08
CoasterMasteroh got it, hahah....well thanks for testing me06:08
gnomefreakthere were a few scripts at one point06:08
PiciThe fellow who was exploiting before is still around and is kline evading according to my logs :/06:08
eidoloninteresting.  (at the risk of gettin banned)... in Xchat.  /dcc send #channel (that long string) ?  i got a 'file not found' error?06:08
Seveasaoirthoir has been vandalizing the IrcGuidelines again...06:08
gnomefreaks/atm/ at one point06:08
LjLPici: kline evading? nickname?06:08
PiciLjL: zewb06:08
LjLah always him06:08
PriceChildSeveas, lovely... wasn't he asked not to?06:08
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eidolon(feel free to /msg me if you don't want to share on channel)06:08
LjLPici: other nicknames of his that you've seen?06:08
HobbseeSeveas: what'd he say?06:08
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Hobbseeeidolon: dont remember, offhand06:09
eidolonnuts.  k.06:09
Seveas"friendly alterations"06:09
PiciLjL: let me grep a bit06:09
Seveasadding 'please' in a zillion places where it was intentionally not said06:09
PriceChildSeveas, hmm i thought i was subscribed to changes... ah there are the emails :)06:09
LjLcmon that's not vandalizing06:10
LjLit's just being subtly irritating :)06:10
eidolonPriceChild: can you /msg me the command you were using for testing?06:10
SeveasI call that vandalizing if it's repeat offense06:10
eidolon(no, i'm not a hax0r, really.  do a /whois.  i'm a freenode supporter :)06:11
LjLeidolon: just the very string you've sent above06:11
LjLwith a /ctcp, /notice or /privmsg06:11
eidolonright, but i did that in xchat, and the syntax is wrong.06:11
eidolonOh oh.06:11
LjLeidolon: /ctcp nickname DCC SEND aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa06:13
eidolonright, got it, i'm in msg wth pricechild. t hanks :)06:13
PiciLjL: zewb, zwob, zorf06:13
eidolonthe end result should be, what, everyone drops off thec hannel?  or they'll ping out?06:14
LjLdrop with connection reset by pear06:14
Hobbseeeidolon: no, they get remote closed connection, and thrown off the network.06:14
LjLpeer even06:14
Hobbseeeidolon: it's not fun.06:14
Hobbseeoh yeah, i'ts a peer, that's right06:14
Hobbseewhile since it happened to me, obviously :P06:14
eidolonhuh.  *nod*  no one dropped.06:14
eidoloni think that's good. :)06:14
eidolonthanks guys.06:15
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PriceChildeidolon, anything else we can help you with? :)06:32
LjLwth they requires level 1 just to view the access list on -es06:36
PriceChildI'm sure someone told them to remove that not long ago :/06:36
PriceChildWe had big problems finding someone to talk to about something or other.06:36
PiciShouldnt the channel contact be on the irc channels list?06:37
PriceChildPici, "yes"... but surprisingly the person listed there isn't online atm06:39
PriceChildPici, and his nick is private, so can't see how long he's been gone etc.06:40
PriceChildno alt nicks listed on launchpad etc.06:40
PiciWell thats annoying.06:41
LjLi'll make a note about that to erUSUL, though i doubt he can do anything about it06:42
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PriceChild!staff | just had another exploiter in #ubuntu "hellhouse"06:44
ubotujust had another exploiter in #ubuntu "hellhouse": Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)06:44
LjLgood thing he's not hitting anyone by now...06:45
PiciCoincidence that these are all happening on beta release day?06:46
LjLSeveas: ping06:50
SeveasLjL, pang06:50
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Hobbseestupid questions deserve stupid answers, and the guy in +1 is one of them.07:07
PiciHobbsee: Which stupid guy?07:07
PriceChildPici, asking for package name of tracker07:08
HobbseePici: the one who just asked which package tracker was in.07:08
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PiciOkay okay ;)07:08
PriceChildHobbsee is eeeeeeevil07:08
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LjLHobbsee: next time say: to find out the package name, you can type "apt-cache search tracker | grep tracker | awk ' { print $1 } ' | head -n 107:08
LjLand point out to them how easy it is to remember07:08
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PriceChild*dives for cover wondering what he's done*07:09
Hobbseethis was after he was told to use google,a fter asking what tracker does07:09
PriceChildits installed by default in gutsy isn't it? :/07:09
PiciI think so.07:09
LjLnalioth: referring to which of the funny events?07:10
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PiciHes still looking for tracker in bluefish.07:14
naliothLjL: the PING PING PING of 'someone is exploiting heavily in #ubuntu-ops' (and then i find it was YOU)07:16
LjLnalioth: ah well... i didn't get burned :P07:16
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naliothsometimes people that play with fire, don't.07:16
PiciLjL: did you talk to any staff about zewb or did you just set the banforwarsd07:17
naliothPici: what about zewb?07:17
LjLPici, i only set the forwards. if he's changing addresses anyway, i doubt staff can do much more than i07:17
LjLnalioth: he's one of the obstinate exploiters, changes nicks and IPs07:17
Picinalioth: Hes a repeat exploit offender, been already klined twice I think.07:17
naliothLjL: i know. i kline him daily07:19
naliothPici: ^^^07:19
PiciAh. :)07:19
ubotumagnetron called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic07:24
LjLSeveas, i think aubade meant that too, since otherwise it's quite obvious that you have a "relationship" with your housepets07:28
LjLi think the !ops might not have been warranted but kind of made sense07:28
Picidid anyone talk to magnetron about what he thought it was?07:28
Seveasgave him enough time to explain...07:29
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winbondcan someone unban me from the #ubuntu channel?07:50
LjLwhy were you banned?07:50
winbondbecause the damn irc chat wasnt working right, same like few minutes ago ,and some dude banned me for spaming07:51
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LjLso winbond, you asked that question several times because it was konversation getting stuck?07:53
LjLwinbond, another thing, you should note that expressions like a "damn piece of crap" are not particularly welcome on these channels, so please avoid them07:56
LjLwinbond anyway, how exactly is konversation getting stuck? does it seem like a keyboard-related problem?07:57
LjLi think you should fix it before rejoining07:57
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PriceChildSeveas, peanutb poked me for a cloak, hasn't been added to the ubuntu-members group yet but was approved in the meeting. He's got a linked nick and email fine, is it ok to poke a staffer for a cloak etc. without waiting for ubuntu-members to catch up?08:01
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SeveasPriceChild, rather not08:02
PriceChildOk sure, will tell him to poke us again when its sorted :)08:03
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ompaulwinbond, want me to replay your conversation with the nice people here when I removed you from #ubuntu the other day?08:05
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ompaulthat needs a on part removal08:15
ompaulmove it to #ubuntu-troll 08:16
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ompaulwho's trollin who08:16
ompaulcould be a van halen song08:16
LjLi'm trolling you!08:16
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ompaulfrom nineteeneightytroll08:17
LjLyou're crazy :)08:18
ompaulLjL, can you not join the dots to that one, 1984 by VH song Jump/troll ;-)08:18
ompaulI remember seeing them onstage in 198408:19
ompaulun believable 08:19
LjLi'm not vanmiliar with van halen's songs, i could have googled, but you're still crazy nonetheless :P08:19
ompaulLjL, ack08:19
LjLnevermind, fin08:22
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JavidHi. I didn't do anything. let me back in please.08:23
LjLJavid, calm down man, nobody said you did anything08:24
LjLhowever, your router is affected by a problem08:24
JavidI understand that, but it isn't my fault, I don't admin the thing08:24
LjLand that problem is exploited by malicious people to 1) disconnect your IRC connection and 2) annoy the entire channel08:24
LjLof course, but you can change the port you connect to IRC from08:24
JavidAnd I did that08:24
LjLthen i can test you if you don't mind, and let you back08:24
LjLJavid: you seem fine, just hang on a second08:25
JavidMy router has been fine for the last several months, it didn't just spontaneously start sucking08:25
LjLJavid, it doesn't until people do something special to make it disconnect08:26
ubotuThere are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit08:26
PiciJavid: Its an exploit that someone er, exploited in #ubuntu, we noticed and banned the people who were effected.08:26
PriceChildLjL, oh yeah another reason we had a while ago for using ips not usernames, is because people sometimes use the same nicks at work and at home08:26
LjLJavid: if you wish, reconnect to port 6667, and i'll show you without doubt that your router is affected by the problem... but then again08:26
JavidWell, banning people while they're asleep for something that isn't their fault is really frigging dumb.08:26
PriceChildthey'd be affected at work, go home, get tested, go to work and get affected the next day08:26
LjL!exploit | Javid, read it again08:27
ubotuJavid, read it again: There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit08:27
LjLand please, when you're in your job, or in your house, you can decide what is dumb and what is not08:27
LjLhere, it's up to us to use our best judgement08:27
PriceChildJavid, Its not a real "ban", its a way to help you fix a vulnerability in your system so that y ou don't experience this problem again, and so that users of #ubuntu aren't anoyed08:27
LjLand the only way to make people fix their routers appears to be to confine them to a special channel08:27
LjLwhere they can read instructions with calm, while not being bitten by the problem, and fix it08:28
PriceChildJavid, we let you back in as soon as we're sure you won't be affected next time. We have nothing personal against you at all.08:28
LjLdinnertime now08:28
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ubotuYou have lag, I don't have lag09:38
ubotuleave the ops alone ktnxbye09:40
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about badtrip - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi09:51
LjLkahrytan has an interesting APT problem on #ubuntu... one third-party package, xwinwrap, initially complained about being half-installed and needing to be reinstalled, but APT didn't have that package available anymore09:59
LjLhe tried reinstalling a fresh copy of it (as did i, and my own installs fine)09:59
LjLand now every apt-get command -- actually, even dpkg -- he types gives a "corrupted package" error10:00
jdongLjL: eep :(10:00
jdongLjL: if you think he is worthy, cjwatson visitation time....10:00
jdongLjL: I would say just edit /var/lib/dpkg/status, but the last time I said that cjwatson killed me10:01
LjLalso this is interesting: it's the output of his "apt-cache show xwinwrap" http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38840/10:01
jdongsounds like he screwed up the status file10:01
LjLit's it quite remarkable10:01
jdongLjL: yeah, that's DEFINITELY screwed up status file10:01
jdonger: Ubuntu Core Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>10:01
jdong^^ truncation10:01
LjLjdong, i don't know cjwatson and i never edited a status file... if you could put him in contact, or have a hint10:01
LjLi can understand "edit the status file", but i'd have no idea what to put in it :)10:02
jdongLjL: I'm not sure if Colin would appreciate being the status-file-fixing drone particularly during the release cycle...10:02
jdongand editing the file manually is also beyond my area of expertise10:03
LjLindeed, i don't even ping people i know about that sort of things, much less so people i don't know10:03
jdongLjL: there should be a /var/lib/dpkg/status.old file10:03
LjLwouldn't there be a "regenerate status file" command?10:03
jdongLjL: have him first back up his current status, then copy status.old onto status10:03
jdongand see if that solves it10:03
jribI had someone with a missing new line in the status file that totally messed up apt as well10:04
jdongstatus-old rather10:04
LjLjdong: uhm i'll try. but i see that, on my box, the *only* difference between status and statu-old is the *one* last package that i installed10:04
LjLsince he already messed up with a couple of apt-get commands, i'm afraid even his status-old is borked now10:04
jdongLjL: that's my worry too10:04
jdongPackage: readlinE: Handler silently failed10:04
jdong^^ looks like multiple problems10:05
jdongworth a shot though10:05
LjLdo you think there is a difference between the 'status' file and the concatenation of all 'Packages' files from the repositories?10:07
LjLit looks very much like those to me10:07
LjLah well right, it has the... status too10:07
jdongLjL: lol if you've installed every package ;-)10:08
jdongLjL: keescook IIRC posted something on planet recently for reconstructing apt commands from dpkg.log10:08
LjLjdong: random launchpad googling also gives a "dpkg --clear-avail" suggestion10:09
jdongthat can be used if the status file is too old10:10
jdongI'm disappointed Debian doesn't rotate and back up a few more status/available files10:10
jdongthat's the achilles heel of APT10:10
jdonghe'd want just install instead of --reinstall10:11
LjLwell, the achilles heel of APT in general is that it doesn't have "memory protection"10:11
LjLi don't really mean it, but i mean, like a kernel that has memory protection can't be taken down by its processes, APT shouldn't be able to be taken down by its packages10:11
jdongLjL: APT is indeed weak against badly made packages, along with other mishaps10:12
LjLthat requires dpkg --get-selections to work jdong, and i've just asked him if it does10:12
jdongLjL: nah, that's just a few of the comments' versions; using a variant of Kees's original method and dpkg.log.*, one can theoretically regenerate all the APT commands ever issued from day zero10:13
LjLafter all...10:13
jdongeffectively regenerating a brand new status file10:13
LjLperhaps the best bet would be just to have the status file in front of me, and fix it by hand10:13
LjLand "by ear"10:13
jdongyeah, perhaps have him e-mail it to you then you can poke at it in an editor10:13
LjLhm well yes, i see what you mean there10:13
LjLbut i also think it's beyond my greppesed sk1llz10:14
jdongmine too :)10:14
LjLasked him to send status via mail10:15
LjLhe's complaining it's too big though, let's see after he gzips...10:18
LjL(and honestly i have no idea what's the limit on my mailbox either =)10:18
jdongtypically corrupted dpkg status files should NEVER happen unless he has either (a) SIGKILL'ed dpkg/apt (b) done a hard reset while dpkg was running10:18
jdongand many versions of automatix2 did (a) so.....10:18
LjLwhich is my favorite hobby10:18
LjLi mean, both a and b, depending on my mood10:19
jdonglol :)10:19
jdongtry to do both at the same itme!10:19
LjLi was thinking about disconnecting the IDE cable to the HD while dpkg was running10:19
LjLhe said he's fixed it10:20
LjLby manually removing the xwinwarp entry from status10:20
LjLi'm not entirely sure it was the only thing that had to be fixed, but... he says it works now10:21
jdongLjL: well that's good I guess, though tell him to erase his memory and never ever mention editing the status file ever again :)10:21
jdongapparently it's one of the big deadly Debian sins10:21
jdongyou know it's bad when you get an all-caps message from a TB member!10:22
LjLi should perhaps mention to him that he probably has files from that package hanging around10:22
LjLthat will be forgotten for all eternity10:22
LjLbut perhaps he doesn't need to know10:22
LjLjdong: what's their stance on adding "exit 0" at the beginning of postinst/postrm scripts? :P10:22
jdongpreferred to editing the status file to deal with dpkg breakage loops10:23
jdongbut of course done with a brain (i.e. manually perform the IMPORTANT actions of the scripts)10:23
LjLah good, 'cause i have no idea what else to do with some broken packages from *universe* sometimes. and i'm saying universe, not automatixlolandia or godknowswhat :P10:24
jdongyeah, Universe sometimes has packages like that, because the less-cared-about packages tend to just be blindly-synced from an arbitrary sid date.10:24
jdongI remember from some anti-Ubuntu information in Warty days someone did an install/remove test across universe, and on the order of 600 packages failed a simple install/uninstall cycle test.10:26
LjLjdong: i understand that but i always wondered whether they couldn't do a basic sanity check by performing installation and removal of each package10:26
LjLi mean, automatically of course, on a dedicated machine10:26
LjLi'd assume canonical would have one =)10:26
jdongright; I believe that should be a standard test by the build daemons10:26
jdongat least try a noninteractive-frontend installtest before calling the build success10:26
LjL[22:25:52]  <kahrytan> LjL,  moved the deb file when it was installinh?10:26
LjLcould this be a valid reason why the status file could break?10:27
jdongI don't find it terribly plausible10:27
jdongdpkg should keep an open handle to the file throughout the procedure10:27
LjLclaims he's the only "fishy" thing he did10:27
LjLit's, even10:27
jdongthough I am not a dpkg expert10:27
jdongnonetheless, that still sounds like a bad idea :)10:28
LjLyeah i did tell him that ;)10:30
LjLthis shouldn't be the channel for these things though...10:34
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winbondLjL, so are u going to unban me ?11:03
ompaulwinbond, want me to replay your conversation with the nice people here when I removed you from #ubuntu the other day?11:10
winbondwhy don't u go suck a dick, why dont you tell people why u banned me first11:11
LjLyou just gave us a perfect explanation11:11
jribthat's not the way to get unbanned11:11
gnomefreakwinbond: i would say no now11:11
LjLso, my answer is "no, not for the next month"11:12
gnomefreakwinbond: when someone offers to help you be nice11:12
gnomefreakjust a hint11:12
gnomefreakwinbond: ompaul didnt ban you from what he says he removed you11:12
ompaulgnomefreak, eh there was a ban 11:13
winbondno he banned me 11:13
winbondi can read11:13
ompaulthe ban was based on repeated asking how many channels freenode has11:13
ompaulhaving been advised that winbond was on the wrong channel11:13
ompaulthis advise was ignored11:13
LjLthe answer to which is, many, yet too few for trolls to be unlikely to end up on any given channel11:13
ompaulso what could I do 11:13
gnomefreakompaul: from what i was reading you removed him and since he went to LjL for unban figured LjL banned him11:13
ompaulwell 11:14
gnomefreakim caught up for most part11:14
winbondyeah, and the repeat was only like 3 times, and it wasnt my fault, 11:14
ompaulwinbond, rubbish11:14
LjLgnomefreak, no, it's just that the same repeating happened in #kubuntu while i was looking, and he claimed it was due to a Konversation glitch -- so later he asked to be unbanned from #ubuntu, since the same thing had happened11:14
winbondgo look at the logs11:14
LjLsomething that i now find doubtful11:14
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ompaulwinbond, you seem to have a problem with non slackware users11:15
gnomefreakLjL: ah11:15
LjLwinbond, i did look at the logs, and i was even kind of prepared to provisionally believe the konversation glitch story, but it is now apparent to me that you don't even remotely have the manners to be on an IRC channel like #Ubuntu11:16
ompauland of course everyone will be converted to your version of what is reality by their admiration of your views11:16
winbondi dont even use slackware11:16
ompaulso who pays you to abuse the FLOSS community on irc then?11:16
winbondLjL, i have manners but not when an asshole bans me for something thats not even my fault11:16
ompaulyou seem to do it with great gusto11:16
LjLwinbond: 1) how could he know it wasn't your fault? people repeat-spamming stuff happens everyday11:17
LjLwinbond: 2) since you still didn't get the point about manners (see "asshole", classified as vulgar and insulting by my dictionary), i'm forced to make you wait until you're calmer11:18
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gnomefreakwinbond: how about not using that language in here please noon is using it to you no need to use it to others11:18
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ompaulwinbond, you really did miss how to win friends and influence people11:18
LjLwinbond, i *really* must remind you that swearing and personal attacks cannot be tolerated. no matter how upset you may be, if you want a discussion, it has to be a civil one. i suggest you read the links i am about to give you before deciding what to do.11:26
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gnomefreaknot worth the trouble11:26
ompaulwell you can unmute it11:26
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LjLaaaah he's also got a "jo momma" real name.11:28
LjLi missed that.11:28
gnomefreakLjL: hes in channel?11:29
LjLgnomefreak, the only non-secret channel he's in is ##slackware. he's banned from #ubuntu, though not from #kubuntu where he was earlier11:29
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jdonghey, where'd winbond go?11:30
LjLgah. people shouldn't have a "clockbot.net" host, it starts my reflexes11:30
jdonghis initial comeback made me laugh out loud11:30
LjLjdong: just wait for the second series, he'll be back ;)11:31
ompaulI think LjL his ban needs some "advisory" attached11:32
mneptokooo! mhuddeye miss?!11:32
LjLompaul, bantracker comment?11:32
gnomefreakor to a ##slackware op :)11:32
gnomefreaki know im evil ;)11:32
ompaulgnomefreak, no point - that is not the politics here11:33
ompaulif he had a cloak then there would be mileage in it11:33
gnomefreakbut thinnking make his life a bit harder than it is 11:33
LjLompaul: i've submitted mine11:33
gnomefreakstdin: you gonna be here in 4 hours or so?11:34
ompaulLjL, :)11:34
stdingnomefreak: probably 11:34
gnomefreakstdin: ty than maybe ill get to sleep early tonight11:34
gnomefreakstdin: dont forget your troll friend11:34
LjLgnomefreak: besides really, ops *don't* have a thing for listening to advice from "foreign" ops, which is often perceived as, well, "who the hell are you"11:34
stdingnomefreak: yeah, I remember, still got his list of 6 bans open :p11:35
gnomefreakstdin: :)11:35
gnomefreakLjL: you mean it isnt my job to make friends with other ops in other channels :( damn wasted time11:36
gnomefreaki havent used slackware in ages but didnt they have #slackware at one time? now its ##11:37
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LjLgnomefreak: well if you manage to make friends with them, then it's ok11:39
LjLbut telling them "warning, this person is a troll" is usually the way to make them *suspicious* of you =)11:39
LjLdunno, #slackware is taken by... lilo and forwards there, so it's likely11:40
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InstabinI need to be tested11:40
LjLInstabin: sure, i'll test you11:40
Instabinlol i see it11:41
InstabinReceived a malformed DCC request from LjL.11:41
LjLInstabin: you seem fine, i'll let you join in a second11:41
InstabinI was fine for ever11:41
Instabinthen all of a sudden it changed11:41
ompaulnew hardware?11:41
ompaulnew location?11:41
LjLInstabin, it seemed like you were affected by the exploit. you quit at the very second with the standard 104 connection reset by peer11:41
InstabinI had it once before11:42
InstabinJust a crappy dsl connection...11:42
InstabinIt was a couple of months ago11:43
ompaulwell if you quit at the same time as that d-c-c action you will be removed11:43
LjLwell Instabin, in any case make sure you always connect to port 8001, just in case11:43
InstabinWhy does it only effect 666711:43
LjLit certainly can't hurt11:43
LjLbecause 6667 is the standard IRC port, and routers look at that one11:44
mneptokand it's a sexier number11:44
mneptokthat angular 7, dangling off the end, tempting me ....11:44
ompaulInstabin, bad "closed source" code in the router11:45
ompaulyou can't fix it11:45
ompaulInstabin, you could be lucky and the maker fixes it or not11:47
ompaulInstabin, yiou have been asked to fix it in april - august and now11:47
ompaulmaybe he is not happy cos he can't get in11:48
InstabinNot unhappy just wounder why it was doing it11:51
InstabinLinksys router11:52
Instabinompaul^ 11:52
Instabinwrt54gs... My old one with dd-wrt died11:53
ompaulthere ya go11:53
InstabinShouldnt the port be change in xchat for gutsy11:53
LjLi think so11:53
InstabinIm running gutsy11:53
ompaulit is a router bug11:53
ompaulnot xchat11:53
LjLInstabin, but if you upgraded from feisty, i guess the port wasn't changed11:54
InstabinI didnt upgrade11:54
LjLhmm well i dunno11:54
ompauld-cc tries to talk to 6667 and the router has a hissy fit11:54
InstabinIv been running gutsy... maybe they changed it after i installed11:54
ompauldefault IRC is 666711:54
Instabinhow come ubuntu+1 wasnt effected....11:55
stdinmy WRT54GC never had a problem, I still connect to 8001 and set +C11:55
Instabinwhat is +C11:55
Instabinstdin ^11:56
stdinblocks CTCP11:56
stdinstops the server from sending to your client (afaik)11:56
Instabinhow do i set that11:56
LjLindeed you don't repy to CTCP11:57
stdinI think it still lets you receive ctcp to channels tho11:57
stdin"You'll still receive CTCP messages sent to a channel you are on, although the network will block your response to them" 11:58
stdinstops hax0rz from ctcp'ing me anyway :p11:58
LjLnot that they would gain very much knowledge by ctcping you11:59
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mc44stops bot attacks from flooding you out11:59
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PriceChild*wonders where his broadband has gone*12:02
LjLfor that matter, where's your cloak12:03
mneptokPriceChild: the Spice Girls, or a different broad band?12:03
mc44shame ompaul wasn't here to enjoy that12:03
LjLand shame i was12:03
PriceChildLjL, on windows atm as haven't figured out how to dial up using my mobile on ubuntu... and so the password that i have hidden somewhere in little gpg encrypted file, i haven't managed to get hold of yet.12:04
LjLyou... don't know your nickserv password? :)12:04
PriceChildits just one i randomly generated, plugged into xchat and forgot about :/12:04
mc44yeah, not much point making your nickserv password is secure12:04
PriceChildmc44, pardon?12:05
mc44well, it's transmitted in plaintext12:05
mc44so pretending it's secure at all is silly12:05
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jdongPriceChild: impostor!! ;-)12:05
PriceChildhmmm I'm gonna go decrypt that file... would appreciate a few other logins :/12:06
LjLhello oriez, anything we may do to you?12:06
LjLor perhaps i meant "for", or perhaps not?12:06
mneptokLjL: at least you didn't use "inside" this time12:08
LjLthis time?12:08
jdongmneptok: hey the outside stuff can be just as good!12:08
mneptokjdong: you really need to move past Chapter 1 of that manual.12:09
oriezyou are such a hater12:09
LjLoriez: oh, i'm just facetious.12:09
mc44mneptok: I'm still on the table of contents12:09
LjLmc44: you are the contents12:09
jdongfacetious... I think that's chapter 2....12:10
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mc44jdong: there will be a test on the material12:10
jdonguh oh.... do I get to pick who administers it?12:11
mc44jdong: you can choose between mneptok's two personalities, sure12:11
mneptokand you also don't get to choose the method of delivery. you may begin hoping it's oral.12:11
jdongROFL :)12:12
LjLi'd start considering !o4o except we're in the wrong channel12:12
mneptokOfftopic 4 -Ops ?12:12
mneptokwhat's that? polite users?12:12
LjLon the topic of bot terrorism, though...12:12
mc44er ops12:12
LjLwhat was your question oriez?12:12
jdong"in the wrong channel" -- hey, how'd you get to chapter 12 so fast?!?12:12
jdonglol this joke is getting old, back on topic :)12:12
LjLjdong, i wrote it.12:13
LjLwhich tells you it isn't worth a dime.12:13
mneptokjdong: by Chapter 17 we learn that "wrong channel" is an oxymoron12:13
jdonglol :D you guys are amazong12:13
oriezi will show you in picture so wait a second to the uploadingggg12:13
mc44oh, this should be fun12:13
LjLoriez: oh i'm thrilled12:13
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mc44A diagram from Chapter 14 perhaps12:14
LjLi bet12:14
oriezhttp://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2453/0927071753uc7.jpg this is the problem no chance to resolved12:14
oriezsolved 12:14
jdongoriez: this is not a support channel12:14
LjLyou really made a screenshot of your bootup12:15
LjLi mean, a photograph12:15
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jdonghi PriceChild!12:15
oriezhow can i make a screenshot if i cant bootup12:15
LjLoriez: you cannot... but then again, i knew the error message12:15
PriceChildcloak and all :P12:15
LjLdidn't you find anything in the link i gave you yesterday?12:16
PriceChildjdong, make my adsl go up12:16
jdongPriceChild: is THAT what you kids call it nowadays?!12:16
oriezno nothing12:16
LjLoriez, because of taking a picture of a boot error message, you win being unbanned for half an hour12:16
LjLhope someone has a solution during that time12:16
oriezstill  #ubuntu unable to join channel (address is banned)12:17
LjLi'll ban you again though, given what you've done in #ubuntu AND what you've done in here yesterday that ban can't be considered lifted12:17
LjLjoin now12:17
LjLoriez: ask your question in a meaningful manner, give a link to the picture if you want, and wait patiently if nobody answers you at once.12:19
LjLthat's the beginning of the hitchhicker's guide to not be banned12:19
LjLoriez, no, as i said, that isn't the right way.12:21
LjLask your question in a way that's *understandable*, because "<link> ubuntu bug?!?" isn't, and don't immediately complain about people ignoring you.12:21
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LjLoriez, i gave you a chance, but i see that you completely aren't listening. sorry.12:25
LjLsomeone also suggested having a look at  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=251944 oriez, for what it's worth.12:26
LjLand i *would* try noapic, see the link from ubotu for how.12:27
oriezi looked at the forums and its look like many people have the same problem but no solution12:28
LjLoriez, also https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/64125 was suggested12:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 64125 in linux-source-2.6.17 "BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0! (dup-of: 63418)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  12:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 63418 in linux-source-2.6.17 "CPU soft lockup during boot if ipw3945 kill switch is on" [High,Confirmed]  12:30
LjLwell oriez, i'm giving you a possible solution - boot with the "noapic" kernel parameter. let us know how it goes.12:31
oriezthey are not showing a solution12:31
LjLsometimes one has to do his own research, as not all problems have a ready-made solution.12:31
oriezand i can't open the websites thats you gave me12:31
LjLbesides, there *are* some solutions in there12:31
LjLoriez: then try http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/6412512:32
ubotuLaunchpad bug 64125 in linux-source-2.6.17 "BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0! (dup-of: 63418)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  12:32
ubotuLaunchpad bug 63418 in linux-source-2.6.17 "CPU soft lockup during boot if ipw3945 kill switch is on" [High,Confirmed]  12:32
LjLmust be that firefox bug again12:32
oriezit's great if you can open the page that could be cool12:32
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NickPrestaCould I please be tested for the DCC Exploit?12:33
oriezi might even find a answer12:33
LjLoriez: i can. one solution that's proposed there is disabling the ipw3945 module. i'll tell Ubotu to give you a link on how to "blacklist" modules.12:33
LjLNickPresta: sure12:33
NickPrestaLjL, thank you12:33
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oriezit has to do someting with the common unix printing system12:34
LjLNickPresta, that didn't work. have you disconnected and reconnected your IRC client, after following the instructions?12:34
LjLoriez, it merely happens after CUPS starts, but i'm not sure it has something to *do* with it12:34
NickPrestaI would imagine that meant I failed12:34
LjLNickPresta: correct conclusion12:34
jdongLjL: I don't see why disabling ipw3945 should be a deciding factor... I have two laptops here that use ipw3945 on dual-core setups without issue12:35
NickPrestaLjL, give me a moment to check my network list. I thought I changed my port to 8001. Simply setting the server to irc.freenode.net/8001 should do it, correct?12:35
oriezhttp://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8241/0927071756oq7.jpg check this screenshot12:35
LjLjdong, i haven't the slightest idea, but it solved it for someone on that bug report. anyway, what *i* would try first is "noapic", but it's like the 10th time i tell him, and i'm making a fool of myself now12:36
LjLNickPresta: yes, that's the idea12:36
LjLNickPresta: although the exact syntax (wether it's servername/port, or something else) depends on the client12:36
jdongLjL: I concur with testing noapic.... ipw3945 doesn't make sense to me.12:36
LjLoriez, we have that link.12:36
NickPrestaLjL, okay. Allow me to reconnect again..12:36
LjLoriez, two possible fixes for you:12:36
LjL1) try adding the "noapic" kernel option to your kernel, it's done like this12:37
ubotuBoot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto12:37
LjL2) if that fails, try blacklisting the ipw3945 module, which is done like this12:37
ubotuTo blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add  blacklist <modulename>  to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type  sudo update-initramfs -u 12:37
LjLnow oriez, i've gone way too far already. this isn't a support channel12:37
LjLso try the above, and i'll be glad to hear from you whether it succeeds or fails.12:37
LjLhave a good day12:37
oriezi dont have access to the filesystem12:38
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oriezhow can i recover my files12:38
LjLoriez: you don't need to, to test "noapic". it's done in GRUB.12:38
NickPrestaLjL, I'm connected on port 8001. Could you test me once again? Thanks.12:38
LjLNickPresta: you're ok now, one moment12:38
LjLNickPresta: thank you12:39
NickPrestaThank you.12:39
oriezdo you thing i'm Einstein how can i do it12:39
LjL!boot > oriez    (oriez, see the private message from Ubotu)12:39
LjLTHE LINKS oriez, use THE LINKS12:39
mc44Einstein was rubbish with computers anyway. Couldnt use a mouse to save his life12:39
LjLit's EXPLAINED there. now, no support anymore.12:39
oriezwhere is pelo he is a good guy12:39
LjLhow the heck do i know12:39
oriezya right you are a lamer12:40
LjLoriez: wait until your Ubuntu starts booting. if you don't usually see a menu, then hit Esc until you do. when you see it, hit the "E" key. then go to the longest line, and hit "E" again. type " noapic" with a space before the word. then hit "B". see if it fixes it12:41
LjLas i said, have a good day12:41
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LjLsomeone should save myself from myself12:41
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LjL(he's gone offline in case you wonder)12:43
PriceChildI'm guessing I won't have a fixed connection tomorrow, and probably won't have internets at new house that i'm moving into on saturday for a few weeks so won't be on irc much if at all. Bye :)12:48
LjLgood luck PriceChild12:48
PriceChildyou too, have fun :)12:48
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