[01:18] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, quittt_ said: ubotu: nobody is shouting... it just big letters
[01:19] <mc44> I'M NOT SHOUTING, JUST WHISPERING IN LARGE LETTERS
[01:40] <mneptok> open and revolving!
[01:47] <ubotu> In ubotu, Pici said: no beta is <reply> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta | ISOs and torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ | Remember this is development software and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[01:47] <PriceChild> !beta
[01:47] <ubotu> If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.
[01:48] <Pici> thats <alias> final
[01:48] <PriceChild> sounds like a plan
[01:49] <PriceChild> one of those links is broken
[01:49] <PriceChild> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/
[01:49] <Pici> Yes. Its on the wiki page, I assume that'll be fixed when the beta actually is releaed.
[01:50] <PriceChild> the beta isn't even out yet?
[01:50] <PriceChild> ah
[01:50] <Pici> Nope.
[01:50] <Pici> Want me to resubmit it again tomorrow when the link is live?
[01:51] <PriceChild> yeah poke one of us when its ready :)
[01:51] <PriceChild> We'll have to get you access to the bot soon :)
[01:51] <Pici> Will do :)
[01:51] <Pici> :)
[01:54] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: the ISO's should be about ready but hasnt been released. todays daily is the release ISO iirc
[01:55] <PriceChild> yeah, checking stgrabber or w/e its called would probably give hte best indication of status
[01:55] <gnomefreak> it might i cant remember if its just test results but they were spinning the final beta 1 today or first thing tomorrow afaik
[02:53] <ubotu> In ubotu, coreymon77 said: what is a bot
[02:53] <coreymon77> what the
[02:54] <coreymon77> soryy bout that
[02:55] <PriceChild> coreymon77, don't use "is" when you talk to him.
[02:55] <coreymon77> playing around with ubotu
[02:55] <coreymon77> why
[02:55] <coreymon77> what does that do
[02:55] <PriceChild> because then hat happens.
[02:55] <PriceChild> *that
[02:55] <coreymon77> why
[02:56] <PriceChild> because it thinks you're trying to teach it a new factoid
[02:56] <coreymon77> oh
[02:56] <PriceChild> coreymon77, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:01] <Jucato> so we all get to see what you're trying to teach ubotu and have a small laugh :)
[03:07] <coreymon77> why dont the fun mess plugin commands work for me in offtopic
[03:08] <coreymon77> ?
[03:08] <stdin> they're broke afaik, they don't work anywhere
[03:08] <coreymon77> bah!
[03:09] <Tm_T> good
[03:10] <coreymon77> why
[03:10] <coreymon77> are they broke
[03:11] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, coreymon77 said: !dumber is the mess plugin not working
[03:11] <coreymon77> sorry
[03:11] <coreymon77> had to do that
[03:11] <Jucato> (bwahahah)
[03:12] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, coreymon77 said: !mc44 is dumb
[03:12] <coreymon77> Jucato: you can have your fun
[03:13] <Jucato> :)
[03:13] <Jucato> well my fun is short lived. gtg
[03:19] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-bots, coreymon77 said: !no dumber is none of the non-factoid functions of ubotu working
[03:19] <coreymon77> okay
[03:19] <coreymon77> im done
[03:34] <Jucato> stdin: the nick and IP of that Hacker dude looks mightily familiar to the one I banned yesterday
[03:34] <Jucato> the one that caused CTCP flooding in #kubuntu
[03:35] <stdin> ahh, yes I see
[03:35] <coreymon77> Jucato: want me to do more ubotu is things to entertain you?
[03:36] <Jucato> coreymon77: no thanks. that would be enough for today :)
[03:36] <coreymon77> okay
[03:36] <coreymon77> im bored now
[03:37] <mneptok> i'm Chairman Of The Bored
[03:38] <coreymon77> lol
[03:38] <coreymon77> im president of the bored
[03:38] <Jucato> where is the motherbored?
[03:39] <Jucato> ok that was cheesy
[03:39] <coreymon77> ys
[03:39] <coreymon77> ya*
[03:39] <Jucato> I thought you meant yes :)
[03:39] <coreymon77> yes*
[03:39] <stdin> Jucato: I set the ban to *!Hacker@*.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net for now
[03:39] <coreymon77> :P
[03:39] <Jucato> stdin: cool
[03:40] <gnomefreak> get ready for him
[03:41] <tonyyarusso> who is it?
[03:41] <Jucato> gnomefreak: thought you were asleep?
[03:41] <gnomefreak> i am :(
[03:41] <gnomefreak> Jucato: i forgot to do something before ending my day
[03:41] <Jucato> :(
[03:41] <gnomefreak> tonyyarusso: a troll that told us to f*** off or something like it
[03:41] <gnomefreak> it was a while ago
[03:42] <tonyyarusso> ah
[03:42] <stdin> why did *!Hacker@*.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net not work??
[03:43] <gnomefreak> ljl pricechild and nal_ioth were here i dont want to ping any of them until needed ;)
[03:43] <gnomefreak> stdin: do 2 separeate bans see if that helps
[03:43] <stdin> I've banned *!*@adsl-70-132-24-244.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net too, but he has a dynamic IP
[03:44] <Tm_T> bah
[03:44] <stdin> he's n=Hacker@adsl-70-132-24-244.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net  so the 1st one should have got that
[03:44] <gnomefreak> now do a +d or +b on his name
[03:44] <gnomefreak> i would go with +b on Hacker TBH
[03:45] <gnomefreak> heh im evil
[03:45] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: try a +d on Nathaniel Theis
[03:45] <gnomefreak> you would need a ? between the 2
[03:45] <gnomefreak> Hacker: can we help you with something?
[03:45] <stdin> does case matter with nicks, usernames?
[03:46] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: sorry I fail to understand what you mean
[03:46] <Pici> stdin: Not to my knowlege
[03:46] <Pici> s/knowlege/knowledge
[03:46] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: talk about it in a few
[03:47] <Tm_T> stdin: no
[03:49] <gnomefreak> Hacker: is there a reason why you are in here? do you need something?
[03:50] <Jucato> here he goes again
[03:50] <Jucato> [09:50]  <Hacker> init ctcp 0x00 in a PM
[03:51] <gnomefreak> Jucato: ok lets see if he continues
[03:51] <Madpilot> there
[03:51] <Tm_T> Madpilot <3
[03:51] <gnomefreak> slow down :)
[03:51] <Jucato> hahah
[03:52] <gnomefreak> i was kind of waiting for a bit more than ping staffers since its wider than channel
[03:53] <nalioth> so what exactly is going on?
[03:53] <Madpilot> let him back in if you want...
[03:55] <gnomefreak> nalioth: hacker (from what i gather) is evading bans and ctcp pinging people
[03:55] <stdin> I think those bans in #k should keep him out for now
[03:55] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: Jucato can tell you more details about it
[03:55] <nalioth> yes, let him in
[03:55] <nalioth> noboby should be banned from here immediately
[03:55] <Madpilot> he's been bouncing in and out, I gather
[03:55] <gnomefreak> nalioth: i unbanned that other guy from earlier
[03:56] <gnomefreak> Madpilot: more in #kubuntu than here
[03:56] <gnomefreak> here he joined left joined banned
[03:56] <Madpilot> but ya, I might have jumped the gun a bit :)
[03:57] <gnomefreak> Madpilot: i dont think you did
[03:57] <Madpilot> perhaps not
[03:57] <Hacker> I am sorry. I was going to the bathroom.
[03:57] <Madpilot> Hacker, welcome to #ubuntu-ops. Any actual reason you're visiting?
[03:58] <Hacker> Yes. I was banned from #kubuntu.
[03:59] <Jucato> for bot abuse and consistently talking non-sense in the channel
[04:00] <Tm_T> in short, abusive behaviour
[04:00] <Jucato> and yesterday was another story
[04:00] <Tm_T> also ban evading
[04:00] <gnomefreak> looking for it atm
[04:01] <Jucato> around 12 hours ago based on the bad I put
[04:01] <gnomefreak> i got it
[04:01] <Jucato> around 15:20 UTC I think
[04:02] <gnomefreak> 2007-09-26T05:18:59
[04:06] <gnomefreak> Hacker: do you know why you were banned yesterday?
[04:08] <Hacker> I was repeating "init ctcp ping 0x00" over and over again.
[04:08] <gnomefreak> Hacker: ok do you know why you were banned today?
[04:08] <Jucato> yes that was 12 hours ago
[04:09] <Tm_T> stdin: hey
[04:09] <gnomefreak> most bans are 24hours but at the ops choice
[04:09] <stdin> Tm_T :)
[04:09] <Jucato> I was about to, but then you had to. so...
[04:10] <Hacker> one sec
[04:12] <Hacker> No.
[04:12] <Hacker> I do not know
 for bot abuse and consistently talking non-sense in the channel
 in short, abusive behaviour
[04:13] <gnomefreak> Hacker: you were banned today for 1 ban evading than also from pinging users with the init ctcp ping 0x00 crap
[04:13] <gnomefreak> as well as what was just stated.
[04:13] <ubotu> In ubotu, RAdams said: hate is the only thing that keeps me warm at night
[04:13] <gnomefreak> Jucato: i was getting there
[04:13] <Jucato> oh sorry
[04:13] <gnomefreak> !ubotu > RAdams
[04:14] <ubotu> In ubotu, RAdams said: masochism is gratification gained from pain, deprivation, degradation, etc., inflicted or imposed on oneself, either as a result of one's own actions or the actions of others, esp. the tendency to seek this form of gratification.
[04:14] <Pici> ...
[04:15] <Hacker> And you don't say RAdams is talking nonsense, do you?
[04:15] <Pici> Hacker: Don't worry about that, we're dealing with it.
[04:15] <Hacker> ok.
[04:15] <gnomefreak> Hacker: i just said something to him but we are not here to talk about him
[04:15] <Jucato> Hacker: but he's doing it in a PM with ubotu. not in a main channel
[04:16] <Hacker> But ubotu is saying it right back to the channel.
[04:16] <gnomefreak> Jucato: who was las tto ban him in #kubuntu
[04:16] <Hacker> stdin
[04:16] <gnomefreak> stdin: how long do you propose the ban stand?
[04:17] <stdin> well, I originally said to Hacker to come back in 24 hours and we'd see about the ban
[04:17] <stdin> the ban evading makes me want to rethink that tho
[04:20] <Hacker> Really? I thought you said come back now and you would un-ban me in 24 hours.
[04:21] <stdin> Sep 27 02:45:08 <stdin> in 24 hours join #ubuntu-ops and we'll see
[04:21] <gnomefreak> bed sorry
[04:21] <Hacker> ahh
[04:21] <Jucato> gnomefreak: your one minute is over :)
[04:21] <stdin> ok, my decision is: Hacker read http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines and http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct  then in 24 hours you ban(s) will be lifted if you don't try evading the ban again. after that you can join #kubuntu but remember you will be observed in there
[04:21] <gnomefreak> Jucato: yeah i know
[04:22] <gnomefreak> stdin: may i add something?
[04:22] <stdin> sure
[04:22] <Hacker> I actually was not trying to evade the ban.
[04:22] <stdin> Hacker: you were after I banned you and you rejoined
[04:23] <Hacker> My hostmask changes every 24 hours.
[04:23] <gnomefreak> how about he comes in here in 24 hours and if he has read them hes good to go but instead of just unbanning have him ask in here
[04:23] <stdin> gnomefreak: well yes, that's actually what I meant. but you put it more clearly 
[04:23] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[04:24] <stdin> Hacker: do you understand ?
[04:24] <Hacker> I think so
[04:24] <gnomefreak> Hacker: please join this channel in 24 hours and we will than concider unbanning you but please read the 2 links above
[04:24] <gnomefreak> does that sound ok to all parties?
[04:25] <Hacker> OK. Thank you for your time. 
[04:25] <stdin> sounds acceptable to me
[04:26] <Jucato> no problem here
[04:26] <gnomefreak> ok good im going to bed than ;) night all
[04:27] <Jucato> g'night gnomefreak!
[04:27] <stdin> night gnomefreak
[04:28] <stdin> Hacker: if there is nothing else you can leave this channel now
[04:28] <Hacker> oops. knew there was something i forgot to do!
[04:29] <stdin> fore reference (and incase I'm not here in 24 hours) these are the bans currently in place for Hacker http://stdin.pastebin.us/39754
[04:29] <gnomefreak> no
[04:30] <Pici> those bans are kind of redundant
[04:30] <Jucato> oh... I consider myself idling in here :)
[04:30] <stdin> it's ok for ops to idle, it's our job :p
[04:30] <Jucato> hahah
[04:30] <Jucato> I think this is the first time I was actively involved in an op-related discussion in here :P
[04:31] <stdin> dido :)
[04:31] <mneptok> "ditto"  :)
[04:32] <stdin> ahh, Jucato knows my typing skills have been lacking the last few days :p
[04:32] <mneptok> Dido was the mythic founder of Carthage in Roman mythos
[04:32] <Pici> She 'fell' on her sword
[04:32] <Jucato> "and I... want to thank you... for giving me the best day of my life..."
[04:34] <gnomefreak> no meant you are an op you can stay
[04:35] <Madpilot> 'first op-related discussion' - yes, normally we're discussing mneptok's strangeness or LongPointyStick's scariness...
[04:36] <Jucato> I meant the first time I'm involved in :)
[04:37] <Madpilot> Pici, at least four of them are bots
[04:37] <Pici> Madpilot: Yes, thank you for pointing that out.
[04:38] <Madpilot> <== Master of the Obvious. ;)
[06:06] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, FuBaR said: !ask how well is ubuntu with windows applications and games?
[06:48] <cirkit> some faggots in #ubuntu have banned me for asking how to install Ubuntu Linux. How do I get these dumb niggers to remove the ban?
[06:49] <Madpilot> lovely...
[06:49] <Jucato> sweet
[06:49] <nalioth> who resembles that remark?
[06:51] <tonyyarusso> wow........
[06:51] <rob> dunno, skinheads?
[06:52] <Madpilot> there is actually a ban against that... person... in #u - set a few days ago. 
[07:49] <nalioth> hi Hobbsee 
[07:51] <Hobbsee> hi nalioth 
[07:51] <nalioth> howzit goin, Hobbsee ?
[07:52] <Hobbsee> nalioth: it's going OK
[07:52] <nalioth> after 8 months, i got a haircut
[07:52] <nalioth> poor hairdresser almost slipped and fell down on the carpet . . .
[07:52] <Hobbsee> haha
[07:53] <nalioth> had a big ol' ZZ Top beard (it's gone now, too)
[08:00] <tonyyarusso> nixternal: yaaaaaay comcast
[08:41] <ShadowXP> um
[08:41] <ShadowXP> my router isnt affected by said dcc exploit
[08:41] <tonyyarusso> oh?
[08:42] <ShadowXP> is it the startkeylogger exploit?
[08:42] <ShadowXP> or a new one?
[08:42] <tonyyarusso> I think it was keylogger
[08:42] <tonyyarusso> a sec
[08:43] <tonyyarusso> Shadowpillar: can you join ##tonyyarusso for a minute?
[08:49] <tonyyarusso> wow, my connection is terrible atm
[08:49] <tonyyarusso> Shadowpillar: still there?
[09:02] <Shadowpillar> tomaw, yes
[09:02] <Shadowpillar> tonyyarusso, yes
[09:04] <tonyyarusso> Shadowpillar: should be all good now
[09:07] <ubotu> MenZa called the ops in #ubuntu
[09:07] <rob> k
[09:11] <Mez> /cs l ftw
[09:15] <elkbuntu> w00t for still having windows installed on my PC... gateway baby!
[09:15] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu!!!!
[09:16] <elkbuntu> :D
[09:16] <Hobbsee> you found internet!
[09:17] <elkbuntu> i got the PC booted into windows acting as gateway
[09:18] <Hobbsee> heh
[09:18] <Hobbsee> where are you now?  gj?
[09:20] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, nope, home with dialup. phone got connected last night, and i was in bed when i got your message but was too close to sleep tor espond
[09:21] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: ahhh.  i suspected as much
[10:47] <ubotu> overclucker called the ops in #ubuntu
[11:30] <ubotu> soundray called the ops in #ubuntu
[11:35] <livingdaylight> can someone test me?
[11:47] <livingdaylight> hello
[01:45] <penapay> ola
[01:45] <penapay> olaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[01:46] <Pici> olaaaa
[01:46] <Gary> arggggghhhhla
[02:21] <Seveas> killlllll
[02:21] <Pici> Seveas: And good morning to you too
[02:22] <Seveas> Pici, it's afternoon already
[02:22] <Pici> Seveas: Yeah yeah...
[02:23] <Hobbsee> hi Seveas 
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Seveas: can we get ubotu in #ubuntu-testing to shout out the bug #'s?
[02:25] <Seveas> Hobbsee, was fixed already
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Seveas: ah good, thanks.  wasnt last time i checked
[02:27] <livingdaylight> hello?
[02:27] <livingdaylight> can someone test my conection?
[02:28] <LjL> exploit again?
[02:29] <LjL> just how many times have you been affected?
[02:31] <LjL> livingdaylight, i've seen you affected by the exploit way too many times. i really want to make sure you've fixed it for good - so, i'll test you now, but *please* don't let it happen again or i'll have to believe you just don't want to join #ubuntu
[02:32] <livingdaylight> LjL, huh?
[02:32] <Hobbsee> LjL: doesnt he usually get banned for other reasons?
[02:32] <LjL> Hobbsee: that too
[02:32] <livingdaylight> wtf?
[02:32] <LjL> livingdaylight, huh about which part?
[02:32] <livingdaylight> no i don't
[02:33] <livingdaylight> both
[02:33] <LjL> which both parts? you don't believe you have been forwarded because of that connection issue before?
[02:33] <livingdaylight> i can't help if my router is susceptible
[02:33] <LjL> no, but you certainly can set up things like you've done now
[02:33] <LjL> and *keep it* set up like that
[02:33] <livingdaylight> how does mean i don't want to join #ubuntu when i do?
[02:33] <Seveas> and you *can* fix it
[02:34] <Seveas> firmware upgrade
[02:34] <LjL> well maybe that's not always very much likely to work, but still
[02:34] <livingdaylight> Seveas, i'm not a computer/linux geek/pro ok?
[02:34] <livingdaylight> i just use this stuff
[02:34] <Seveas> so?
[02:34] <Seveas> the thing has a *manual* explaining how to do it
[02:34] <livingdaylight> so, why am i being accused?
[02:35] <LjL> livingdaylight, the point is: you *know* how to connect to port 8001, because you've done it. so, i have no idea why you always seem to revert it back to the wrong port.
[02:35] <livingdaylight> LjL, i don't 'revert' I reinstall Ubuntu or something and don't think of setting it to 8001
[02:35] <LjL> don't the last versions of irc clients in the latest ubuntus come with 8001 by default?
[02:36] <livingdaylight> its been working for some weeks now and i just haven't thought of it... but no intentional malice 
[02:36] <Hobbsee> LjL: they do, yes.
[02:36] <LjL> including xchat 2.8.0?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> in gutsy
[02:36] <LjL> ah, in gutsy
[02:36] <livingdaylight> how do i know... i'm running feisty
[02:37] <LjL> livingdaylight, anyway, please just remember to set 8001 next time you reinstall or things like that'
[02:37] <LjL> now you can join
[02:37] <livingdaylight> I don't appreciate you coming down heavy on me like that... no need... and the other 'huh' is about being banned
[02:38] <livingdaylight> there was an issue some time back with #ubuntuforums but thats another story
[02:38] <LjL> livingdaylight, i think you incurred in bans kind of often, which can make us suspicious, though it's not really relevant to the issue at hand
[02:38] <LjL> ~?
[02:38] <jdong> home
[02:38] <LjL> ah
[02:39] <LjL> well, some people play Tetris when they're bored
[02:39] <LjL> some people format hard drives
[02:39] <livingdaylight> pffff... whatever... thanks amigo... peace
[02:40] <LjL> i'm kind of the latter too tbh
[02:40] <LjL> but i also play tetris when i'm not *that* bored
[02:40] <jdong> I've learned over the years to rsync my entire drive though :)
[02:40] <LjL> i think he's laughing his ass off
[02:41] <LjL> i've learned over the years that it's more trouble to make backups than to just scream and throw a couple of chairs around when data loss occurs
[02:46] <Seveas> err
[02:46] <Seveas> kenchu will be banned for that
[02:46] <LjL> Seveas, he was banforwarded to here from #ubuntu
[02:46] <LjL> he always has that kick message
[02:46] <Pici> Seveas: I think thats why hes here in the first place, banforwarded.
[02:46] <LjL> i don't think anyone's got around to talking to him yet
[02:46] <Seveas> well, he's now banned from here as well 
[02:46] <LjL> i didn't notice he was here now
[02:47] <Seveas> wasn't banned in ubuntu
[02:47] <Pici> odd then..
[02:47] <Seveas> dhcp I guess
[02:47] <LjL> oh
[02:47] <LjL> well i had banned *someone* who had that quit message
[02:48] <LjL> yeah, dynamic address
[02:49] <jdong> then someone told him just to ask his question
[02:49] <jdong> now he's asking the ether whether or not us mods can hear him
[02:50] <jdong> *sigh* I should be nice and talk, but class is in 10m
[02:50] <LjL> too bad
[02:50] <LjL> some people have a fetish for joining channels and looking for "moderators" just for the sake of doing it
[02:51] <ikonia_> jdong: just as a warning he's an arse 
[02:51] <jdong> ikonia_: oh lovely.
[02:51] <ikonia_> jdong: he's been banned from #ubuntu about 10,0000 times
[02:51] <LjL> who's that
[02:51] <ikonia_> kenthomson
[02:51] <LjL> aaah.
[02:52] <LjL> yeah i even have him on highlight, but still missed him in the /who
[02:52] <ikonia_> ahhh he's complaining that he's banned from the forums now
[02:52] <jdong> LjL: eep
[02:52] <LjL> *shrug*
[02:52] <LjL> he remembers i banned him
[02:53] <ikonia_> yeah
[02:53] <ikonia_> shock horror
[02:53] <Pici>  <LjL> some people have a fetish for joining channels and looking for "moderators" just for the sake of doing it. -- Yeah, but they usually ask right afterwords how they can become a moderator/op
[02:54] <ikonia_> I don't think you're getting that from ken
[02:54] <LjL> sometimes, yes
[02:54] <LjL> no, i don't think either :)
[02:54] <Pici> ikonia_: I know, just giving an example ;)
[02:54] <LjL> [14:54:06]  --> tmccrary has joined this channel (n=tmccrary@68.78.185.227).  yay!
[02:54] <ikonia_> I need to put my <sarcasm> tags on 
[02:54] <ikonia_> which channel
[02:54] <LjL> a "friend" of mine
[02:55] <LjL> he's actually helping me this time though
[02:55] <nalioth> wow you guys are loud
[02:55] <ikonia_> seveas is funy
[02:55] <ikonia_> genunily makes me laugh
[02:57] <ikonia_> LjL: I think there mucst be something in the water, your all on good humour form 
[02:58] <LjL> i know, they keep insisting the tap water is fine and better than mineral, but it still tastes weird, i'm sure it's a conspiracy
[02:58] <ikonia_> I'm laughing in the office, people are wondering what I'm laughing at
[03:00] <LjL> that's a typical side effect of IRC
[03:01] <ikonia_> yes, but its pleasent
[03:03] <Hobbsee> oh no, not kenthompson
[03:03] <ikonia_> ha ha ha ha ha
[03:03] <LjL> oh yes
[03:04] <ikonia_> he been banned from the forums now
[03:04] <Hobbsee> excellent
[03:04] <ikonia_> ha ha ha
[03:05] <ikonia_> he's showing maturity by not registering another account 
[03:05] <ikonia_> apparantly
[03:05] <LjL> he thinks he does
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[03:05] <ikonia_> I'll be good, put your trust in me, etc etc
[03:05] <ikonia_> he used to get banned once a week 
[03:05] <LjL> and tmccrary too is the usual tmccrary... my reply to him wasn't satisfying, so he suddenly left rather irritated *sigh*
[03:06] <ikonia_> jdong: get in #ubuntoforums, I want to read more pleas
[03:06] <Hobbsee> oh, this is the one who was arguing with me about common sense, wasnt it?
[03:07] <Pici> He was arguing with you a lot it seems.
[03:07] <ikonia_> Hobbsee: think of any situation you can of why someone will be banned and ken will have done it so "yes"
[03:07] <LjL> Pici: try without a "p" in the name :P
[03:07] <Pici> LjL: yeah yeah ;)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> ikonia_: heh
[03:07] <ikonia_> LjL: is he still banned in #ubuntu without the p in his name ?
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Pici: likely
[03:07] <Pici> ikonia_: It was a typo, I was searching in the bantracker w/o the p
[03:08] <LjL> ikonia_, no, he was in there a couple of minute ago
[03:08] <ikonia_> ahh
[03:08] <ikonia_> LjL: yeah, I wondered if he'd subtle changed his nick to get in there
[03:08] <LjL> he's always been kenthomson with*out* the P as far as i'm aware
[03:08] <LjL> that's what i have as a highlight and what is in the tracker
[03:09] <LjL> jdong: you fool
[03:09] <jdong> lol was I supposed to pretend I got hit by a bus? :D
[03:10] <ikonia_> yes jdong is back !
[03:10] <ikonia_> I wonder when "I've found jesus and will behave" line will be used
[03:10] <ikonia_> I predict 5 minutes, any takes $$$
[03:10] <LjL> jdong: you were merely supposed to not be that masochistic :)
[03:12] <jdong> ikonia_: ROFL you're not joking, right?
[03:12] <ikonia_> thats the only line I've not seen him use, so yeah, I'll take that bet
[03:12] <ikonia_> its all he has left to plead with
[03:12] <Hobbsee> oh damn, it hasnt been logging
[03:13] <Hobbsee> can someone pastebin me the backscroll, from when he entered?
[03:13] <ikonia_> Hobbsee: that wave was menecing
[03:13] <ikonia_> menacing
[03:14] <LjL> [15:11:58]  [Whois]  freeAgent is n=spamhote@c-71-57-71-252.hsd1.il.comcast.net (David)    there's this guy, he had joined before with a 'GotAMD' nickname... he's registered but the ident is kind of weird, i've never seen him say anything
[03:14] <LjL> the Pointy Wave of Doom?
[03:15] <ikonia_> is he a "smith"
[03:15] <Pici> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.com/f99e8b4a
[03:16] <jdong> wow... talk about a troll...
[03:16] <ikonia_> ha ha ha
[03:16] <LjL> aaaah jdong, that's professionalism, not like us
[03:16] <ikonia_> apprantly he has changed his way
[03:16] <ikonia_> if he adds it to the council agenda, I want to see it
[03:17] <ikonia_> wow - no offesnive message on part
[03:17] <jdong> LjL: meh it's just me being naive :)
[03:18] <ikonia_> $10 says a new nick will be reigstered under the same ip in less than 2 minutes
[03:18] <ikonia_> any takers ?
[03:18] <LjL> i don't bet
[03:19] <ikonia_> I don't normally however I like winning ;)
[03:20] <jdong> the guy simply sounds like a troll; i'm not convinced at all that he has changed
[03:20] <mc44> !beta
[03:20] <ubotu> If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.
[03:20] <mc44> hmm
[03:20] <Pici> mc44: I have one ready
[03:21] <mc44> Pici: well, it's out :)
[03:21] <Pici> no beta is <reply> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta | ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ | It is development software and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[03:22] <Pici> Can someone with bot access do their magic?
[03:23] <LjL> !no beta is <reply> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+1
[03:23] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[03:23] <Pici> Sounds good :)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Pici: you dont have bot access?
[03:24] <Hobbsee> hm, seems not
[03:25] <Hobbsee> %addeditor Pici 
[03:25] <Hobbsee> Pici: can you register with the bot please?
[03:25] <LjL> mc44: oooh i see in the screenshot what you meant with the deskbar having become crap
[03:25] <mc44> yep
[03:25] <LjL> why on earth did they do that? it was fine as a drop-down menu
[03:26] <ikonia_> can you share the screen shot
[03:26] <LjL> but then again, strigi was fine as an applet rather than a tray icon
[03:26] <LjL> ikonia, the first link in !beta
[03:26] <ikonia_> ah
[03:26] <ikonia_> !beta >ikonia
[03:26] <ikonia_> the bot redirect appears borked
[03:27] <LjL> hm?
[03:27] <ikonia_> !beta > ikonia
[03:27] <LjL> anyway the link is up there
[03:27] <ikonia_> thanks
[03:32] <Pici> Hobbsee: Er, @register is not a valid command for whatever reason.
[03:32] <Hobbsee> Pici: /msg ubotu register Pici <p/w>
[03:33] <Pici> @help register <ubotu> Error: There is no command "register".
[03:34] <Pici> I have my own supybot, I know how it should work.
[03:34] <LjL> ubotu: register ljl blah
[03:34] <LjL> guess he disabled it
[03:34] <jdong> this recitation instructor is giving all the answers to the problems Iw was too lazy to do
[03:34] <jdong> how can this day get any better?
[03:35] <LjL> yes Pici, if you do a "list user", you'll see that "unregister" is there, but "register" is not
[03:35] <ikonia_> jdong who ?
[03:35] <jdong> ikonia_: my chemistry TA
[03:35] <Pici> LjL: Yep.
[03:35] <ikonia_> jdong how lukcy are you 
[03:35] <ikonia_> lucky
[03:36] <LjL> wow, i'm consistently downloading from the ubuntu servers at a speed in excess of 1mb per second... never happened
[03:36] <ikonia_> good connection
[03:36] <LjL> yeah but i usually cannot download that fast from my ISP's own servers... and i'm on fiber optics, it shouldn't that much depend on the time of the day!
[03:37] <LjL> besides, shouldn't the ubuntu servers be loaded :o)
[03:37] <jdong> LjL: I've noticed that recently
[03:37] <jdong> LjL: the main ubuntu servers all sped up the past month or so
[03:37] <ikonia_> not many updates going on though to e honest
[03:37] <ikonia_> look at the latest, few hearders
[03:37] <ikonia_> very small 
[03:38] <LjL> beta's always like that...
[03:38] <ikonia_> not many people doing clean installs possibly down to gusty 
[03:38] <ikonia_> headers that should read 
[03:38] <LjL> jdong: well i *am* downloading from 4 servers at a time just to make it a faster -- i mean, to spread the load among the servers :)
[03:38] <jdong> LjL: ROFL the last time I said that elmo strangled me :D
[03:39] <LjL> jdong, i'm not afraid of people 20000km away from me strangling me... :P besides, it makes no sense, because one thing is setting up multiple connections to the *same* server, which is a bad thing to do -- another is to concurrently download from *multiple* servers, which really *does* spread the load and actually does them a favor
[03:40] <jdong> LjL: I know your rational and I believe in that too, but the flipside is that it reduces the total number of download slots across all mirrors... and that does not do Ubuntu a favor as a whole
[03:40] <jdong> LjL: unless it's release day, it's a nonissue
[03:41] <LjL> well the number of download slots should depend on the bandwidth taken by each, not be independent of that
[03:41] <LjL> their issue if it is :)
[03:42] <jdong> lol, it's slightly dependent on maximum allowed number of clients though
[03:42] <LjL> also, i *do* it on release day, but merely to seed the torrents fast
[03:46] <jdong> yeah, I do similar too
[03:46] <jdong> and jump on and uncap  my upload on 2 or 3 machines
[04:25] <Pici> !ping
[04:25] <ubotu> pong
[04:38] <neyvaroal> ola
[04:39] <Pici> ola
[04:39] <neyvaroal> cual es tu msn 
[04:39] <Pici> non.
[04:39] <neyvaroal> el mio es neyvafasion@hotmail.com
[04:39] <neyvaroal> tienes msn
[04:39] <neyvaroal> el mio no es es de mi ermana
[04:40] <LjL> no tenemos msn aqui
[04:40] <neyvaroal> el mio es mirella-xula@hotmai.com si kieres hablar conmigo
[04:40] <neyvaroal> a onde
[04:40] <LjL> por que IRC es mas friki y nos somos frikis
[04:40] <neyvaroal> k??
[04:40] <neyvaroal> agrarame plis
[04:41] <Pici> Whats a frikis?
[04:41] <LjL> Pici: nerd
[04:42] <Pici> Ah.
[04:42] <Pici> and "agrarame plis"?
[04:42] <LjL> Pici: plis is please, the other i'm wondering
[04:43] <LjL> Pici: most likely a misspelling of something weird
[04:43] <LjL> which wouldn't be too surprising
[04:50] <LjL> my regex isn't working
[04:50] <LjL> i blame mc44
[04:50] <LjL> ola loka
[04:50] <loka> ola
[04:50] <Pici> loka ola
[04:50] <loka> ola
[04:50] <loka> kien ere
[04:50] <LjL> es mi amigo
[04:50] <Hobbsee> ola loka 
[04:51] <loka> d donde ere
[04:51] <LjL> de frikia, un pais al lao de la luna
[04:52] <loka> venga d donde ere en serio yo de espaa
[04:52] <LjL> ok, yo de italia
[04:52] <LjL> bam
[04:52] <Gary> lol
[04:52] <LjL> xenophobe, tsk
[04:53] <Pici> The last one gave 2 hotmail addresses.
[04:54] <LjL> schizophrenia
[04:55] <LjL> at such an advanced stage that even the network is affected and one gets plenty multiple IPs
[04:57] <PriceChild> didn't realise there was a CC meeting today
[04:58] <Pici> oops
[04:58] <Pici> @now
[04:58] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: September 27 2007, 14:58:16 - Next meeting: Community Council meeting in 1 minute
[04:58] <PriceChild> 1 minute Pici!!!! quick run!
[05:00] <PriceChild> Seveas, #ubuntuforums been up to any naughtiness? 8-)
[05:01] <LjL> PriceChild: we didn't do anything, honest
[05:01] <Pici> PriceChild: kenthomson was around earlier.
[05:01] <PriceChild> gah
[05:10] <Seveas> PriceChild, I had a bit of fun, not too naughty
[05:10] <PriceChild> :P
[05:11] <Pici> PriceChild: heres part of the conversation  http://pastebin.com/f99e8b4a
[05:14] <PriceChild> lovely :)
[05:15] <LjL> mc44, Pici, little update, the original author of the tty error wiki page confirmed to me that the instructions about using a /dev instead of the UUID were written intentionally, as he had experienced cases when the *correct* UUID would result in the error, while the device node wouldn't
[05:17] <PriceChild> Seveas, did you poke jono about that irc-council@l.u.c email btw?
[05:17] <Pici> Interesting.
[05:17] <Seveas> PriceChild, I did, mailing list is there but slipped my mind
[05:18] <Seveas> been working on ubuntu-nl the past days
[05:18] <Seveas> meeting, new structures, google maps integration, website updates, new logo, 
[05:19] <PriceChild> Rather you than me :)
[05:19] <Seveas> it's been fun
[05:19] <Seveas> http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/kaart/
[05:19] <PriceChild> Seveas, have you got admin on the list then...? I just emailed it and it bounced waiting approval...
[05:19] <Seveas> PriceChild, I have
[05:19] <PriceChild> "Post by non-member to a members-only list"
[05:19] <Seveas> Will set it up later
[05:19] <PriceChild> hehe cool :)
[05:20] <Seveas> http://media.ubuntu-nl.org/images/ubuntu-nl-logo.png
[05:20] <Seveas> inkscape ++
[05:20] <Pici> Neat!
[05:20] <mc44> my eeeeyes!
[05:21] <LjL> stop poking them after eating spices
[05:21] <Tm_T> peces!
[05:21] <Pici> temt
[05:21] <Seveas> mc44, http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/ubuntu-nl/steunpunten/2/cd/
[05:21] <Seveas> that'll kill your eyes
[05:22] <mc44> haha
[05:22] <mc44> way to get some stalkers :)
[05:22] <LjL> not so much as your launchpad picture
[05:22] <LjL> oh and, water pumps sometimes break
[05:29] <PriceChild> Pici, did someone change the beta factoid?
[05:29] <ubotu> riotkittie called the ops in #ubuntu
[05:29] <Pici> PriceChild: It got changed.
[05:29] <PriceChild> gd gd :)
[05:30] <PriceChild> is it on releases. now?
[05:30] <Pici> !beta
[05:30] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+1
[05:33] <LjL> PriceChild isn't it better to do the nicknames, the addresses tend to change
[05:33] <PriceChild> LjL, but so do the nicknames?
[05:33] <LjL> PriceChild: well usually not, unless one *wants* to evade the bans
[05:34] <PriceChild> And they do :)
[05:34] <LjL> but with people forwarded to -read-topic, the assumption is they don't
[05:34] <PriceChild> *thwacks livingdaylight amongst others*
[05:34] <LjL> well ok, some do
[05:34] <LjL> but those are the ones that get banned for other things too =)
[05:34] <PriceChild> those spammers are still going into -unregged
[05:35] <tonyyarusso> If it helps, they aren't only getting #ubuntu :S
[05:36] <PriceChild> #debian
[05:36] <Pici> anyone ! staff yet?
[05:37] <Pici> Or do they look to be on it already?
[05:37] <Esteth> I was supposed to come here to be tested for DCC exploit
[05:37] <LjL> Esteth: sure, i'll test you
[05:37] <tonyyarusso> Pici: not sure
[05:38] <tonyyarusso> usually they notice
[05:38] <Pici> failed.
[05:38] <LjL> esteth, i suggest that you re-read the instructions more carefully
[05:38] <Esteth> Hmm. I changed the port in pidgin. Let me double check.
[05:39] <PriceChild> *cringes at pidgin for irc* :P
[05:39] <LjL> Esteth, make sure you disconnect and reconnect
[05:39] <LjL> or the port won't be changed
[05:39] <Esteth> LjL: Ah, that might be my problem then. I'll be back in a sec then
[05:39] <LjL> the server, not the channel, damn
[05:40] <nixternal> 10:39:30 DCC aborted receiving file ILOVEPENIS from forthelulz
[05:40] <nixternal> what is this world coming too?
[05:40] <nixternal> s/too/to
[05:40] <Esteth> Back, mind re-testing?
[05:40] <LjL> nixternal, just the same old exploit
[05:40] <PriceChild> Esteth, you need to leave the server, not the channels
[05:41] <LjL> Esteth: you seem good now, one second please
[05:41] <Pici> I should work on finishing my join-flood and dcc exploit detection script for irssi.
[05:41] <PriceChild> ah gd gd then :)
[05:41] <nixternal> ya, but can you come up with something more unique? god, I am starting to hate kids :p
[05:41] <Pici> It already kind of works.
[05:41] <Esteth> Thanks a lot :)
[05:41] <LjL> thank you
[05:43] <Esteth> PriceChild: I was told irssi was good and better than pidgin, and i tried it, but i like the "everything is allready set up and it just works" thing i get with pidgin, whereas in irssi i had to do lots of configuration to set up highlighting messages with my nick in them etc...
[05:43] <PriceChild> If you used the clients from ubuntu, i'm pretty sure 8001 is the default port in gaim and you wouldn't have had this problem :P
[05:43] <PriceChild> Esteth, I'm an xchat man.
[05:45] <LjL> tonyyarusso, are they still around in other channels afayk?
[05:45] <PriceChild> Not that I can see...
[05:46] <PriceChild> and they seem to have stopped popping into #ubuntu-unregged
[05:46] <tonyyarusso> LjL: not sure of channels, since by default Freenode only shows mutual channels in whois.  They are on-network though.  (non-ubuntu)
[05:46] <PriceChild> tonyyarusso, I don't think that's the default... you need to set that mode on you don't you?
[05:47] <PriceChild> or +s on the channel
[05:47] <Pici> Its not the default.
[05:47] <tonyyarusso> PriceChild: could be wrong - isn't that the +i *user* mode, which is default?
[05:47] <LjL> PriceChild: attempt a provisional -r?
[05:48] <PriceChild> *readies his trigger finger*
[05:48] <LjL> let's wait a little before kicking from -unregged
[05:49] <LjL> !ola
[05:49] <ubotu> "Hola" tiene una H inicial. Y puesto que el autor de este mensaje no habla espaol pero esribe "hola", *tu* podrias tambien hacer el esfuerzo! Pero, hagalo en #ubuntu-es, por que aqu solo hablamos ingls.
[05:49] <mcgc950> MARICUEVA-@HOTMAIL.COM
[05:49] <Pici> OKAY
[05:49] <Gary> arghhh
[05:51] <PriceChild> just had another exploit
[05:51] <LjL> +r reset
[05:51] <PriceChild> LjL, zwob was registered
[05:52] <Pici> zwob sounds familiar.
[05:52] <LjL> PriceChild: *shrug*
[05:52] <LjL> registered 5 minutes ago
[05:52] <LjL> prepare for +m
[05:52] <Pici> zwob = zewb, zewb is still tehre.
[05:53] <Pici> or he was.
[05:53] <LjL> banned
[05:53] <Pici> ty
[05:53] <LjL> !staff | many exploits occurring
[05:53] <ubotu> many exploits occurring: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[05:54] <Pici> Hes done this a few times iirc.
[05:56] <LjL> staff joined
[05:59] <eidolon> re-instate me please.
[06:00] <PriceChild> eidolon, you want a test?
[06:00] <eidolon> and, does someone have a pointer to a an exact description of this exploit?
[06:00] <eidolon> please.  i changed my connect port to 8001.
[06:00] <LjL> !exploit
[06:00] <ubotu> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[06:00] <eidolon> that web page says -zero- about what the xploit is, and how it works, and what to do about it, thanks, i looked there already.
[06:00] <eidolon> "Fix your router" is insufficient information.
[06:01] <LjL> eidolon: the exploit simply involves fooling your router into believing that some strings are DCC commands. since some routers think they're so smart that they can parse IRC commands correctly, but aren't, they crash.
[06:01] <PriceChild> eidolon, you're unbanned in #ubuntu.
[06:01] <eidolon> PriceChild: i got the DCC, nothing happened.
[06:01] <eidolon> thankyou.
[06:01] <PriceChild> LjL, lets try another -r?
[06:01] <eidolon> that's interesting.  i don't think my router has been crashing.
[06:01] <eidolon> though i suppose it's possible.
[06:01] <PriceChild> eidolon, you _were_ affected earlier.
[06:02] <gnomefreak> thats why you ended up here :)
[06:02] <eidolon> noted.  was that my router resetting?  or something in xchat?
[06:02] <eidolon> *nod* 
[06:03] <eidolon> if this is my router whacking out, i'd like to know it :)  i've had problems with my router stopping handing out DHCP leases and if this is the root cause, that'd be nice.
[06:03] <LjL> !ola
[06:03] <ubotu> "Hola" tiene una H inicial. Y puesto que el autor de este mensaje no habla espaol pero esribe "hola", *tu* podrias tambien hacer el esfuerzo! Pero, hagalo en #ubuntu-es, por que aqu solo hablamos ingls.
[06:03] <gnomefreak> eidolon: it was a DCC 'expliot. when you were removed by the exploit someone banfowarded you to #ubuntu-read-topicor whatever the channel name is
[06:03] <LjL> eidolon, router reset, although you might not even notice that outside of the IRC connection
[06:03] <LjL> :(
[06:03] <eidolon> well i have a ton of stateful connections (VPN on other machines, plus a bunch of ssh connections)
[06:04] <LjL> eidolon, well, maybe on your router only the IRC connection is lost - several different makes are affected, as far as i know
[06:04] <eidolon> (sorry if i'm taking up time here, but this is sort of important).  how long has this sploit been running?
[06:04] <eidolon> i'm running a linksys wrt54g.
[06:04] <Pici> Over a year.
[06:04] <eidolon> wow.  i've been poking my client because my VPN keeps dropping with them.  i wonder if this has been it.
[06:05] <eidolon> what is the test?  i'm on another irc network, folks are asking how to test for a vulnerability (I run my own IRC network - 4-5 servers)
[06:06] <eidolon> i see PriceChild's dcc at me, but i don't know if that had special chars.
[06:06] <LjL> eidolon, we simply replicate the exploit
[06:06] <LjL> !ola
[06:06] <ubotu> "Hola" tiene una H inicial. Y puesto que el autor de este mensaje no habla espaol pero esribe "hola", *tu* podrias tambien hacer el esfuerzo! Pero, hagalo en #ubuntu-es, por que aqu solo hablamos ingls.
[06:06] <LjL> eidolon, it doesn't in fact
[06:06] <eidolon> english please.
[06:06] <LjL> it's just a plain malformed exploit
[06:06] <LjL> eidolon that wasn't directed at you
[06:06] <eidolon> so dcc send "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" ?
[06:06] <LjL> yes
[06:06] <eidolon> the chars don't matter i take it :)
[06:06] <LjL> note that doing it in a channel will most often get you banned - or k-lined
[06:06] <LjL> so, avoid it
[06:07] <CoasterMaster> Can I be tested for the DCC Exploit?
[06:07] <Pici> eidolon: can you not repeat that in here though, it tends to ping all of us ;)
[06:07] <Hobbsee> that should have triggered the auto-kline script
[06:07] <eidolon> yep, i know.  i'm not doing it on freenode.  i'm doign it back on my local net.
[06:07] <eidolon> right, i know :)
[06:07] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: no longer on
[06:07] <eidolon> Hobbsee: i didn't DCC it.
[06:07] <CoasterMaster> Also, what is kline? I've heard the term, but don't know what it means
[06:07] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: damn
[06:07] <PriceChild> CoasterMaster, you seem ok
[06:07] <eidolon> it's a 'kill' line.  you're banned from the server by the configuration.
[06:07] <LjL> Hobbsee, i think the script is long gone...?
[06:07] <CoasterMaster> Thanks PriceChild
[06:07] <CoasterMaster> eidolon, but what causes it?
[06:07] <Hobbsee> pity
[06:07] <PriceChild> CoasterMaster, ircops placing it on you if you're naughty
[06:07] <gnomefreak> LjL: there were a few of htem atm
[06:08] <gnomefreak> them
[06:08] <eidolon> CoasterMaster: a k-line is added by an IRCop.
[06:08] <LjL> gnomefreak what?
[06:08] <CoasterMaster> oh got it, hahah....well thanks for testing me
[06:08] <gnomefreak> there were a few scripts at one point
[06:08] <Pici> The fellow who was exploiting before is still around and is kline evading according to my logs :/
[06:08] <eidolon> interesting.  (at the risk of gettin banned)... in Xchat.  /dcc send #channel (that long string) ?  i got a 'file not found' error?
[06:08] <Seveas> aoirthoir has been vandalizing the IrcGuidelines again...
[06:08] <gnomefreak> s/atm/ at one point
[06:08] <LjL> Pici: kline evading? nickname?
[06:08] <Pici> LjL: zewb
[06:08] <LjL> ah always him
[06:08] <PriceChild> Seveas, lovely... wasn't he asked not to?
[06:08] <eidolon> (feel free to /msg me if you don't want to share on channel)
[06:08] <Seveas> yes
[06:08] <LjL> Pici: other nicknames of his that you've seen?
[06:08] <Hobbsee> Seveas: what'd he say?
[06:09] <Hobbsee> eidolon: dont remember, offhand
[06:09] <igomez> hola
[06:09] <eidolon> nuts.  k.
[06:09] <Seveas> "friendly alterations"
[06:09] <Pici> LjL: let me grep a bit
[06:09] <Seveas> adding 'please' in a zillion places where it was intentionally not said
[06:09] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[06:09] <LjL> mwahaha
[06:09] <PriceChild> Seveas, hmm i thought i was subscribed to changes... ah there are the emails :)
[06:10] <LjL> cmon that's not vandalizing
[06:10] <LjL> it's just being subtly irritating :)
[06:10] <eidolon> PriceChild: can you /msg me the command you were using for testing?
[06:10] <Seveas> I call that vandalizing if it's repeat offense
[06:11] <eidolon> (no, i'm not a hax0r, really.  do a /whois.  i'm a freenode supporter :)
[06:11] <LjL> eidolon: just the very string you've sent above
[06:11] <LjL> with a /ctcp, /notice or /privmsg
[06:11] <eidolon> right, but i did that in xchat, and the syntax is wrong.
[06:11] <eidolon> Oh oh.
[06:13] <LjL> eidolon: /ctcp nickname DCC SEND aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
[06:13] <eidolon> right, got it, i'm in msg wth pricechild. t hanks :)
[06:13] <Pici> LjL: zewb, zwob, zorf
[06:14] <eidolon> the end result should be, what, everyone drops off thec hannel?  or they'll ping out?
[06:14] <LjL> drop with connection reset by pear
[06:14] <Hobbsee> eidolon: no, they get remote closed connection, and thrown off the network.
[06:14] <LjL> peer even
[06:14] <Hobbsee> eidolon: it's not fun.
[06:14] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, i'ts a peer, that's right
[06:14] <Hobbsee> while since it happened to me, obviously :P
[06:14] <eidolon> huh.  *nod*  no one dropped.
[06:14] <eidolon> i think that's good. :)
[06:15] <eidolon> thanks guys.
[06:19] <LjL> [18:19:31]  *** LjL sets mode: -b *!*@83.230.*!#ubuntu-ops
[06:19] <LjL> [18:19:35]  --> ivanovick has joined this channel (n=espejoma@83.230.234.218).
[06:19] <LjL> [18:19:37]  *** LjL sets mode: +b *!*@83.230.*!#ubuntu-83
[06:23] <Gary> yay
[06:32] <PriceChild> eidolon, anything else we can help you with? :)
[06:36] <LjL> wth they requires level 1 just to view the access list on -es
[06:36] <PriceChild> I'm sure someone told them to remove that not long ago :/
[06:36] <PriceChild> We had big problems finding someone to talk to about something or other.
[06:37] <Pici> Shouldnt the channel contact be on the irc channels list?
[06:39] <PriceChild> Pici, "yes"... but surprisingly the person listed there isn't online atm
[06:40] <PriceChild> Pici, and his nick is private, so can't see how long he's been gone etc.
[06:40] <PriceChild> no alt nicks listed on launchpad etc.
[06:41] <Pici> Well thats annoying.
[06:42] <LjL> i'll make a note about that to erUSUL, though i doubt he can do anything about it
[06:44] <PriceChild> !staff | just had another exploiter in #ubuntu "hellhouse"
[06:44] <ubotu> just had another exploiter in #ubuntu "hellhouse": Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, BearPerson or ompaul! I could use a bit of your time :)
[06:45] <LjL> good thing he's not hitting anyone by now...
[06:46] <Pici> Coincidence that these are all happening on beta release day?
[06:46] <LjL> naah
[06:50] <LjL> Seveas: ping
[06:50] <Seveas> LjL, pang
[07:07] <Hobbsee> stupid questions deserve stupid answers, and the guy in +1 is one of them.
[07:07] <Pici> Hobbsee: Which stupid guy?
[07:08] <PriceChild> Pici, asking for package name of tracker
[07:08] <Hobbsee> Pici: the one who just asked which package tracker was in.
[07:08] <Pici> Okay okay ;)
[07:08] <PriceChild> Hobbsee is eeeeeeevil
[07:08] <LjL> Hobbsee: next time say: to find out the package name, you can type "apt-cache search tracker | grep tracker | awk ' { print $1 } ' | head -n 1
[07:08] <LjL> and point out to them how easy it is to remember
[07:09] <PriceChild> *dives for cover wondering what he's done*
[07:09] <Hobbsee> this was after he was told to use google,a fter asking what tracker does
[07:09] <PriceChild> its installed by default in gutsy isn't it? :/
[07:09] <Hobbsee> yes
[07:09] <Pici> I think so.
[07:10] <LjL> nalioth: referring to which of the funny events?
[07:14] <Pici> Hes still looking for tracker in bluefish.
[07:15] <Hobbsee> *g*
[07:16] <nalioth> LjL: the PING PING PING of 'someone is exploiting heavily in #ubuntu-ops' (and then i find it was YOU)
[07:16] <LjL> nalioth: ah well... i didn't get burned :P
[07:16] <nalioth> sometimes people that play with fire, don't.
[07:17] <Pici> LjL: did you talk to any staff about zewb or did you just set the banforwarsd
[07:17] <Pici> s/sd/ds
[07:17] <nalioth> Pici: what about zewb?
[07:17] <LjL> Pici, i only set the forwards. if he's changing addresses anyway, i doubt staff can do much more than i
[07:17] <LjL> nalioth: he's one of the obstinate exploiters, changes nicks and IPs
[07:17] <Pici> nalioth: Hes a repeat exploit offender, been already klined twice I think.
[07:19] <nalioth> LjL: i know. i kline him daily
[07:19] <nalioth> Pici: ^^^
[07:19] <Pici> Ah. :)
[07:24] <ubotu> magnetron called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:28] <LjL> Seveas, i think aubade meant that too, since otherwise it's quite obvious that you have a "relationship" with your housepets
[07:28] <LjL> i think the !ops might not have been warranted but kind of made sense
[07:28] <Pici> did anyone talk to magnetron about what he thought it was?
[07:29] <Seveas> gave him enough time to explain...
[07:50] <winbond> can someone unban me from the #ubuntu channel?
[07:50] <LjL> why were you banned?
[07:51] <winbond> because the damn irc chat wasnt working right, same like few minutes ago ,and some dude banned me for spaming
[07:53] <LjL> so winbond, you asked that question several times because it was konversation getting stuck?
[07:54] <winbond> yes
[07:56] <LjL> winbond, another thing, you should note that expressions like a "damn piece of crap" are not particularly welcome on these channels, so please avoid them
[07:57] <LjL> winbond anyway, how exactly is konversation getting stuck? does it seem like a keyboard-related problem?
[07:57] <LjL> i think you should fix it before rejoining
[08:01] <PriceChild> Seveas, peanutb poked me for a cloak, hasn't been added to the ubuntu-members group yet but was approved in the meeting. He's got a linked nick and email fine, is it ok to poke a staffer for a cloak etc. without waiting for ubuntu-members to catch up?
[08:02] <Seveas> PriceChild, rather not
[08:03] <PriceChild> Ok sure, will tell him to poke us again when its sorted :)
[08:05] <ompaul> winbond, want me to replay your conversation with the nice people here when I removed you from #ubuntu the other day?
[08:14] <Pici> hn
[08:15] <LjL> jm
[08:15] <ompaul> that needs a on part removal
[08:16] <ompaul> move it to #ubuntu-troll 
[08:16] <ompaul> who's trollin who
[08:16] <ompaul> could be a van halen song
[08:16] <LjL> i'm trolling you!
[08:17] <ompaul> from nineteeneightytroll
[08:18] <LjL> you're crazy :)
[08:18] <ompaul> LjL, can you not join the dots to that one, 1984 by VH song Jump/troll ;-)
[08:19] <ompaul> I remember seeing them onstage in 1984
[08:19] <ompaul> un believable 
[08:19] <LjL> i'm not vanmiliar with van halen's songs, i could have googled, but you're still crazy nonetheless :P
[08:19] <ompaul> brilliant
[08:19] <ompaul> LjL, ack
[08:22] <Pici> nack
[08:22] <LjL> syn
[08:22] <LjL> nevermind, fin
[08:23] <Javid> Hi. I didn't do anything. let me back in please.
[08:24] <LjL> Javid, calm down man, nobody said you did anything
[08:24] <LjL> however, your router is affected by a problem
[08:24] <Javid> I understand that, but it isn't my fault, I don't admin the thing
[08:24] <LjL> and that problem is exploited by malicious people to 1) disconnect your IRC connection and 2) annoy the entire channel
[08:24] <LjL> of course, but you can change the port you connect to IRC from
[08:24] <Javid> And I did that
[08:24] <LjL> then i can test you if you don't mind, and let you back
[08:25] <Javid> ok
[08:25] <LjL> Javid: you seem fine, just hang on a second
[08:25] <Javid> My router has been fine for the last several months, it didn't just spontaneously start sucking
[08:26] <LjL> Javid, it doesn't until people do something special to make it disconnect
[08:26] <LjL> !exploit
[08:26] <ubotu> There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[08:26] <Pici> Javid: Its an exploit that someone er, exploited in #ubuntu, we noticed and banned the people who were effected.
[08:26] <PriceChild> LjL, oh yeah another reason we had a while ago for using ips not usernames, is because people sometimes use the same nicks at work and at home
[08:26] <LjL> Javid: if you wish, reconnect to port 6667, and i'll show you without doubt that your router is affected by the problem... but then again
[08:26] <Javid> Well, banning people while they're asleep for something that isn't their fault is really frigging dumb.
[08:26] <PriceChild> they'd be affected at work, go home, get tested, go to work and get affected the next day
[08:27] <LjL> !exploit | Javid, read it again
[08:27] <ubotu> Javid, read it again: There are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[08:27] <LjL> and please, when you're in your job, or in your house, you can decide what is dumb and what is not
[08:27] <LjL> here, it's up to us to use our best judgement
[08:27] <PriceChild> Javid, Its not a real "ban", its a way to help you fix a vulnerability in your system so that y ou don't experience this problem again, and so that users of #ubuntu aren't anoyed
[08:27] <LjL> and the only way to make people fix their routers appears to be to confine them to a special channel
[08:28] <LjL> where they can read instructions with calm, while not being bitten by the problem, and fix it
[08:28] <PriceChild> Javid, we let you back in as soon as we're sure you won't be affected next time. We have nothing personal against you at all.
[08:28] <LjL> dinnertime now
[09:28] <Pici> !ping
[09:28] <Pici> hm
[09:28] <ubotu> pong
[09:38] <stdin> !lag
[09:38] <ubotu> You have lag, I don't have lag
[09:39] <anthony> haha
[09:40] <Gary> !opabuse
[09:40] <ubotu> leave the ops alone ktnxbye
[09:51] <mneptok> !badtrip
[09:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about badtrip - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:59] <LjL> kahrytan has an interesting APT problem on #ubuntu... one third-party package, xwinwrap, initially complained about being half-installed and needing to be reinstalled, but APT didn't have that package available anymore
[09:59] <LjL> he tried reinstalling a fresh copy of it (as did i, and my own installs fine)
[10:00] <LjL> and now every apt-get command -- actually, even dpkg -- he types gives a "corrupted package" error
[10:00] <jdong> LjL: eep :(
[10:00] <jdong> LjL: if you think he is worthy, cjwatson visitation time....
[10:01] <jdong> LjL: I would say just edit /var/lib/dpkg/status, but the last time I said that cjwatson killed me
[10:01] <LjL> also this is interesting: it's the output of his "apt-cache show xwinwrap" http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38840/
[10:01] <jdong> sounds like he screwed up the status file
[10:01] <LjL> it's it quite remarkable
[10:01] <jdong> LjL: yeah, that's DEFINITELY screwed up status file
[10:01] <jdong> er: Ubuntu Core Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
[10:01] <jdong> ^^ truncation
[10:01] <LjL> jdong, i don't know cjwatson and i never edited a status file... if you could put him in contact, or have a hint
[10:02] <LjL> i can understand "edit the status file", but i'd have no idea what to put in it :)
[10:02] <jdong> LjL: I'm not sure if Colin would appreciate being the status-file-fixing drone particularly during the release cycle...
[10:03] <jdong> and editing the file manually is also beyond my area of expertise
[10:03] <LjL> indeed, i don't even ping people i know about that sort of things, much less so people i don't know
[10:03] <jdong> LjL: there should be a /var/lib/dpkg/status.old file
[10:03] <LjL> wouldn't there be a "regenerate status file" command?
[10:03] <jdong> LjL: have him first back up his current status, then copy status.old onto status
[10:03] <jdong> and see if that solves it
[10:04] <jrib> I had someone with a missing new line in the status file that totally messed up apt as well
[10:04] <jdong> status-old rather
[10:04] <LjL> jdong: uhm i'll try. but i see that, on my box, the *only* difference between status and statu-old is the *one* last package that i installed
[10:04] <LjL> since he already messed up with a couple of apt-get commands, i'm afraid even his status-old is borked now
[10:04] <jdong> LjL: that's my worry too
[10:04] <jdong> Package: readlinE: Handler silently failed
[10:05] <jdong> ^^ looks like multiple problems
[10:05] <jdong> worth a shot though
[10:07] <LjL> do you think there is a difference between the 'status' file and the concatenation of all 'Packages' files from the repositories?
[10:07] <LjL> it looks very much like those to me
[10:07] <LjL> ah well right, it has the... status too
[10:07] <LjL> duh
[10:08] <jdong> LjL: lol if you've installed every package ;-)
[10:08] <jdong> LjL: keescook IIRC posted something on planet recently for reconstructing apt commands from dpkg.log
[10:09] <LjL> jdong: random launchpad googling also gives a "dpkg --clear-avail" suggestion
[10:10] <jdong> http://www.outflux.net/blog/archives/2007/09/26/stupid-dpkg-tricks-when-fighting-xfs-bugs/
[10:10] <jdong> that can be used if the status file is too old
[10:10] <jdong> I'm disappointed Debian doesn't rotate and back up a few more status/available files
[10:10] <jdong> that's the achilles heel of APT
[10:11] <jdong> he'd want just install instead of --reinstall
[10:11] <LjL> well, the achilles heel of APT in general is that it doesn't have "memory protection"
[10:11] <LjL> i don't really mean it, but i mean, like a kernel that has memory protection can't be taken down by its processes, APT shouldn't be able to be taken down by its packages
[10:12] <jdong> LjL: APT is indeed weak against badly made packages, along with other mishaps
[10:12] <LjL> that requires dpkg --get-selections to work jdong, and i've just asked him if it does
[10:13] <jdong> LjL: nah, that's just a few of the comments' versions; using a variant of Kees's original method and dpkg.log.*, one can theoretically regenerate all the APT commands ever issued from day zero
[10:13] <LjL> after all...
[10:13] <jdong> effectively regenerating a brand new status file
[10:13] <LjL> perhaps the best bet would be just to have the status file in front of me, and fix it by hand
[10:13] <LjL> and "by ear"
[10:13] <jdong> yeah, perhaps have him e-mail it to you then you can poke at it in an editor
[10:13] <LjL> hm well yes, i see what you mean there
[10:14] <LjL> but i also think it's beyond my greppesed sk1llz
[10:14] <LjL> :P
[10:14] <jdong> mine too :)
[10:15] <LjL> asked him to send status via mail
[10:17] <jdong> excellent
[10:18] <LjL> he's complaining it's too big though, let's see after he gzips...
[10:18] <LjL> (and honestly i have no idea what's the limit on my mailbox either =)
[10:18] <jdong> typically corrupted dpkg status files should NEVER happen unless he has either (a) SIGKILL'ed dpkg/apt (b) done a hard reset while dpkg was running
[10:18] <jdong> and many versions of automatix2 did (a) so.....
[10:18] <LjL> which is my favorite hobby
[10:19] <LjL> i mean, both a and b, depending on my mood
[10:19] <jdong> lol :)
[10:19] <jdong> try to do both at the same itme!
[10:19] <LjL> nah
[10:19] <LjL> i was thinking about disconnecting the IDE cable to the HD while dpkg was running
[10:19] <jdong> lol
[10:20] <LjL> he said he's fixed it
[10:20] <LjL> by manually removing the xwinwarp entry from status
[10:21] <LjL> i'm not entirely sure it was the only thing that had to be fixed, but... he says it works now
[10:21] <jdong> LjL: well that's good I guess, though tell him to erase his memory and never ever mention editing the status file ever again :)
[10:21] <LjL> haha
[10:21] <jdong> apparently it's one of the big deadly Debian sins
[10:22] <jdong> you know it's bad when you get an all-caps message from a TB member!
[10:22] <anthony> haha
[10:22] <LjL> i should perhaps mention to him that he probably has files from that package hanging around
[10:22] <LjL> that will be forgotten for all eternity
[10:22] <LjL> but perhaps he doesn't need to know
[10:22] <LjL> =)
[10:22] <LjL> jdong: what's their stance on adding "exit 0" at the beginning of postinst/postrm scripts? :P
[10:23] <jdong> preferred to editing the status file to deal with dpkg breakage loops
[10:23] <jdong> but of course done with a brain (i.e. manually perform the IMPORTANT actions of the scripts)
[10:24] <LjL> ah good, 'cause i have no idea what else to do with some broken packages from *universe* sometimes. and i'm saying universe, not automatixlolandia or godknowswhat :P
[10:24] <jdong> yeah, Universe sometimes has packages like that, because the less-cared-about packages tend to just be blindly-synced from an arbitrary sid date.
[10:26] <jdong> I remember from some anti-Ubuntu information in Warty days someone did an install/remove test across universe, and on the order of 600 packages failed a simple install/uninstall cycle test.
[10:26] <LjL> jdong: i understand that but i always wondered whether they couldn't do a basic sanity check by performing installation and removal of each package
[10:26] <LjL> i mean, automatically of course, on a dedicated machine
[10:26] <LjL> i'd assume canonical would have one =)
[10:26] <jdong> right; I believe that should be a standard test by the build daemons
[10:26] <jdong> at least try a noninteractive-frontend installtest before calling the build success
[10:26] <LjL> [22:25:52]  <kahrytan> LjL,  moved the deb file when it was installinh?
[10:26] <LjL> ehm
[10:27] <LjL> could this be a valid reason why the status file could break?
[10:27] <jdong> I don't find it terribly plausible
[10:27] <jdong> dpkg should keep an open handle to the file throughout the procedure
[10:27] <LjL> claims he's the only "fishy" thing he did
[10:27] <LjL> it's, even
[10:27] <jdong> though I am not a dpkg expert
[10:28] <jdong> nonetheless, that still sounds like a bad idea :)
[10:30] <LjL> yeah i did tell him that ;)
[10:34] <LjL> this shouldn't be the channel for these things though...
[11:03] <winbond> LjL, so are u going to unban me ?
[11:10] <ompaul> winbond, want me to replay your conversation with the nice people here when I removed you from #ubuntu the other day?
[11:11] <winbond> why don't u go suck a dick, why dont you tell people why u banned me first
[11:11] <LjL> well
[11:11] <LjL> you just gave us a perfect explanation
[11:11] <jrib> that's not the way to get unbanned
[11:11] <gnomefreak> winbond: i would say no now
[11:12] <LjL> so, my answer is "no, not for the next month"
[11:12] <gnomefreak> winbond: when someone offers to help you be nice
[11:12] <gnomefreak> just a hint
[11:12] <gnomefreak> winbond: ompaul didnt ban you from what he says he removed you
[11:13] <ompaul> gnomefreak, eh there was a ban 
[11:13] <winbond> no he banned me 
[11:13] <winbond> i can read
[11:13] <ompaul> the ban was based on repeated asking how many channels freenode has
[11:13] <ompaul> having been advised that winbond was on the wrong channel
[11:13] <ompaul> this advise was ignored
[11:13] <LjL> the answer to which is, many, yet too few for trolls to be unlikely to end up on any given channel
[11:13] <ompaul> so what could I do 
[11:13] <gnomefreak> ompaul: from what i was reading you removed him and since he went to LjL for unban figured LjL banned him
[11:14] <ompaul> ahh
[11:14] <ompaul> well 
[11:14] <gnomefreak> im caught up for most part
[11:14] <winbond> yeah, and the repeat was only like 3 times, and it wasnt my fault, 
[11:14] <ompaul> winbond, rubbish
[11:14] <LjL> gnomefreak, no, it's just that the same repeating happened in #kubuntu while i was looking, and he claimed it was due to a Konversation glitch -- so later he asked to be unbanned from #ubuntu, since the same thing had happened
[11:14] <winbond> go look at the logs
[11:14] <LjL> something that i now find doubtful
[11:15] <ompaul> winbond, you seem to have a problem with non slackware users
[11:15] <gnomefreak> LjL: ah
[11:16] <LjL> winbond, i did look at the logs, and i was even kind of prepared to provisionally believe the konversation glitch story, but it is now apparent to me that you don't even remotely have the manners to be on an IRC channel like #Ubuntu
[11:16] <ompaul> and of course everyone will be converted to your version of what is reality by their admiration of your views
[11:16] <winbond> i dont even use slackware
[11:16] <ompaul> so who pays you to abuse the FLOSS community on irc then?
[11:16] <winbond> LjL, i have manners but not when an asshole bans me for something thats not even my fault
[11:16] <ompaul> you seem to do it with great gusto
[11:17] <LjL> winbond: 1) how could he know it wasn't your fault? people repeat-spamming stuff happens everyday
[11:18] <LjL> winbond: 2) since you still didn't get the point about manners (see "asshole", classified as vulgar and insulting by my dictionary), i'm forced to make you wait until you're calmer
[11:18] <gnomefreak> winbond: how about not using that language in here please noon is using it to you no need to use it to others
[11:18] <ompaul> winbond, you really did miss how to win friends and influence people
[11:18] <gnomefreak> s/noon/noone
[11:26] <LjL> winbond, i *really* must remind you that swearing and personal attacks cannot be tolerated. no matter how upset you may be, if you want a discussion, it has to be a civil one. i suggest you read the links i am about to give you before deciding what to do.
[11:26] <LjL> bleah
[11:26] <gnomefreak> not worth the trouble
[11:26] <ompaul> well you can unmute it
[11:28] <LjL> aaaah he's also got a "jo momma" real name.
[11:28] <LjL> i missed that.
[11:29] <gnomefreak> LjL: hes in channel?
[11:29] <LjL> gnomefreak, the only non-secret channel he's in is ##slackware. he's banned from #ubuntu, though not from #kubuntu where he was earlier
[11:29] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:30] <jdong> hey, where'd winbond go?
[11:30] <jdong> lol
[11:30] <LjL> gah. people shouldn't have a "clockbot.net" host, it starts my reflexes
[11:30] <jdong> his initial comeback made me laugh out loud
[11:31] <LjL> jdong: just wait for the second series, he'll be back ;)
[11:31] <gnomefreak> lol
[11:32] <ompaul> I think LjL his ban needs some "advisory" attached
[11:32] <mneptok> ooo! mhuddeye miss?!
[11:32] <LjL> ompaul, bantracker comment?
[11:32] <ompaul> yeap
[11:32] <gnomefreak> or to a ##slackware op :)
[11:32] <gnomefreak> i know im evil ;)
[11:33] <ompaul> gnomefreak, no point - that is not the politics here
[11:33] <gnomefreak> true
[11:33] <ompaul> if he had a cloak then there would be mileage in it
[11:33] <gnomefreak> but thinnking make his life a bit harder than it is 
[11:33] <ompaul> hm
[11:33] <LjL> ompaul: i've submitted mine
[11:34] <gnomefreak> stdin: you gonna be here in 4 hours or so?
[11:34] <ompaul> LjL, :)
[11:34] <stdin> gnomefreak: probably 
[11:34] <gnomefreak> stdin: ty than maybe ill get to sleep early tonight
[11:34] <gnomefreak> stdin: dont forget your troll friend
[11:34] <LjL> gnomefreak: besides really, ops *don't* have a thing for listening to advice from "foreign" ops, which is often perceived as, well, "who the hell are you"
[11:35] <stdin> gnomefreak: yeah, I remember, still got his list of 6 bans open :p
[11:35] <gnomefreak> stdin: :)
[11:36] <gnomefreak> LjL: you mean it isnt my job to make friends with other ops in other channels :( damn wasted time
[11:37] <gnomefreak> i havent used slackware in ages but didnt they have #slackware at one time? now its ##
[11:39] <LjL> gnomefreak: well if you manage to make friends with them, then it's ok
[11:39] <LjL> but telling them "warning, this person is a troll" is usually the way to make them *suspicious* of you =)
[11:40] <LjL> dunno, #slackware is taken by... lilo and forwards there, so it's likely
[11:40] <Instabin> I need to be tested
[11:40] <LjL> Instabin: sure, i'll test you
[11:41] <Instabin> lol i see it
[11:41] <Instabin> Received a malformed DCC request from LjL.
[11:41] <LjL> Instabin: you seem fine, i'll let you join in a second
[11:41] <Instabin> I was fine for ever
[11:41] <Instabin> then all of a sudden it changed
[11:41] <ompaul> new hardware?
[11:41] <ompaul> new location?
[11:41] <Instabin> nope
[11:41] <Instabin> nope
[11:41] <LjL> Instabin, it seemed like you were affected by the exploit. you quit at the very second with the standard 104 connection reset by peer
[11:42] <Instabin> oh
[11:42] <Instabin> I had it once before
[11:42] <Instabin> Just a crappy dsl connection...
[11:43] <Instabin> It was a couple of months ago
[11:43] <ompaul> well if you quit at the same time as that d-c-c action you will be removed
[11:43] <LjL> well Instabin, in any case make sure you always connect to port 8001, just in case
[11:43] <Instabin> Why does it only effect 6667
[11:43] <LjL> it certainly can't hurt
[11:44] <LjL> because 6667 is the standard IRC port, and routers look at that one
[11:44] <mneptok> and it's a sexier number
[11:44] <mneptok> that angular 7, dangling off the end, tempting me ....
[11:45] <ompaul> Instabin, bad "closed source" code in the router
[11:45] <ompaul> you can't fix it
[11:47] <ompaul> Instabin, you could be lucky and the maker fixes it or not
[11:47] <ompaul> Instabin, yiou have been asked to fix it in april - august and now
[11:48] <ompaul> maybe he is not happy cos he can't get in
[11:51] <Instabin> Not unhappy just wounder why it was doing it
[11:52] <Instabin> Linksys router
[11:52] <Instabin> ompaul^ 
[11:53] <Instabin> wrt54gs... My old one with dd-wrt died
[11:53] <ompaul> there ya go
[11:53] <Instabin> Shouldnt the port be change in xchat for gutsy
[11:53] <LjL> i think so
[11:53] <ompaul> yes
[11:53] <Instabin> Im running gutsy
[11:53] <ompaul> it is a router bug
[11:53] <ompaul> not xchat
[11:54] <LjL> Instabin, but if you upgraded from feisty, i guess the port wasn't changed
[11:54] <Instabin> I didnt upgrade
[11:54] <LjL> hmm well i dunno
[11:54] <ompaul> d-cc tries to talk to 6667 and the router has a hissy fit
[11:54] <Instabin> Iv been running gutsy... maybe they changed it after i installed
[11:54] <ompaul> notpe
[11:54] <ompaul> default IRC is 6667
[11:55] <Instabin> how come ubuntu+1 wasnt effected....
[11:55] <stdin> my WRT54GC never had a problem, I still connect to 8001 and set +C
[11:55] <Instabin> what is +C
[11:56] <Instabin> stdin ^
[11:56] <stdin> blocks CTCP
[11:56] <stdin> stops the server from sending to your client (afaik)
[11:56] <Instabin> how do i set that
[11:57] <LjL> indeed you don't repy to CTCP
[11:57] <stdin> I think it still lets you receive ctcp to channels tho
[11:57] <Instabin> oh
[11:58] <stdin> "You'll still receive CTCP messages sent to a channel you are on, although the network will block your response to them" 
[11:58] <stdin> stops hax0rz from ctcp'ing me anyway :p
[11:59] <Instabin> lol
[11:59] <LjL> not that they would gain very much knowledge by ctcping you
[11:59] <mc44> stops bot attacks from flooding you out
[12:02] <PriceChild> *wonders where his broadband has gone*
[12:03] <LjL> for that matter, where's your cloak
[12:03] <mneptok> PriceChild: the Spice Girls, or a different broad band?
[12:03] <mc44> shame ompaul wasn't here to enjoy that
[12:03] <LjL> and shame i was
[12:04] <PriceChild> LjL, on windows atm as haven't figured out how to dial up using my mobile on ubuntu... and so the password that i have hidden somewhere in little gpg encrypted file, i haven't managed to get hold of yet.
[12:04] <LjL> you... don't know your nickserv password? :)
[12:04] <LjL> bwahahah
[12:04] <PriceChild> its just one i randomly generated, plugged into xchat and forgot about :/
[12:04] <mc44> yeah, not much point making your nickserv password is secure
[12:05] <PriceChild> mc44, pardon?
[12:05] <mc44> well, it's transmitted in plaintext
[12:05] <mc44> so pretending it's secure at all is silly
[12:05] <jdong> PriceChild: impostor!! ;-)
[12:06] <PriceChild> hmmm I'm gonna go decrypt that file... would appreciate a few other logins :/
[12:06] <LjL> hello oriez, anything we may do to you?
[12:06] <LjL> or perhaps i meant "for", or perhaps not?
[12:08] <mneptok> LjL: at least you didn't use "inside" this time
[12:08] <LjL> this time?
[12:08] <jdong> mneptok: hey the outside stuff can be just as good!
[12:09] <mneptok> jdong: you really need to move past Chapter 1 of that manual.
[12:09] <oriez> you are such a hater
[12:09] <LjL> oriez: oh, i'm just facetious.
[12:09] <mc44> mneptok: I'm still on the table of contents
[12:09] <LjL> mc44: you are the contents
[12:10] <jdong> facetious... I think that's chapter 2....
[12:10] <mc44> jdong: there will be a test on the material
[12:11] <jdong> uh oh.... do I get to pick who administers it?
[12:11] <LjL> no
[12:11] <mc44> jdong: you can choose between mneptok's two personalities, sure
[12:11] <mneptok> and you also don't get to choose the method of delivery. you may begin hoping it's oral.
[12:12] <jdong> ROFL :)
[12:12] <LjL> i'd start considering !o4o except we're in the wrong channel
[12:12] <mneptok> Offtopic 4 -Ops ?
[12:12] <mneptok> what's that? polite users?
[12:12] <mc44> Obscene4p[s
[12:12] <LjL> on the topic of bot terrorism, though...
[12:12] <mneptok> ;)
[12:12] <mc44> er ops
[12:12] <LjL> what was your question oriez?
[12:12] <jdong> "in the wrong channel" -- hey, how'd you get to chapter 12 so fast?!?
[12:12] <mc44> :)
[12:12] <jdong> lol this joke is getting old, back on topic :)
[12:13] <LjL> jdong, i wrote it.
[12:13] <LjL> which tells you it isn't worth a dime.
[12:13] <mneptok> jdong: by Chapter 17 we learn that "wrong channel" is an oxymoron
[12:13] <jdong> lol :D you guys are amazong
[12:13] <jdong> amazing*
[12:13] <oriez> i will show you in picture so wait a second to the uploadingggg
[12:13] <mc44> oh, this should be fun
[12:13] <LjL> oriez: oh i'm thrilled
[12:14] <mc44> A diagram from Chapter 14 perhaps
[12:14] <LjL> i bet
[12:14] <oriez> http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2453/0927071753uc7.jpg this is the problem no chance to resolved
[12:14] <oriez> solved 
[12:14] <jdong> oriez: this is not a support channel
[12:14] <LjL> jes...
[12:15] <LjL> you really made a screenshot of your bootup
[12:15] <LjL> i mean, a photograph
[12:15] <jdong> "screenshot"
[12:15] <jdong> *giggle*
[12:15] <PriceChild> *waves*
[12:15] <jdong> hi PriceChild!
[12:15] <oriez> how can i make a screenshot if i cant bootup
[12:15] <Pici> *blinks*
[12:15] <LjL> oriez: you cannot... but then again, i knew the error message
[12:15] <PriceChild> cloak and all :P
[12:16] <LjL> didn't you find anything in the link i gave you yesterday?
[12:16] <PriceChild> jdong, make my adsl go up
[12:16] <jdong> PriceChild: is THAT what you kids call it nowadays?!
[12:16] <oriez> no nothing
[12:16] <LjL> oriez, because of taking a picture of a boot error message, you win being unbanned for half an hour
[12:16] <LjL> hope someone has a solution during that time
[12:17] <oriez> thx
[12:17] <oriez> still  #ubuntu unable to join channel (address is banned)
[12:17] <LjL> i'll ban you again though, given what you've done in #ubuntu AND what you've done in here yesterday that ban can't be considered lifted
[12:17] <LjL> join now
[12:19] <LjL> oriez: ask your question in a meaningful manner, give a link to the picture if you want, and wait patiently if nobody answers you at once.
[12:19] <LjL> that's the beginning of the hitchhicker's guide to not be banned
[12:21] <LjL> oriez, no, as i said, that isn't the right way.
[12:21] <LjL> ask your question in a way that's *understandable*, because "<link> ubuntu bug?!?" isn't, and don't immediately complain about people ignoring you.
[12:25] <LjL> oriez, i gave you a chance, but i see that you completely aren't listening. sorry.
[12:26] <LjL> someone also suggested having a look at  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=251944 oriez, for what it's worth.
[12:27] <LjL> and i *would* try noapic, see the link from ubotu for how.
[12:28] <oriez> i looked at the forums and its look like many people have the same problem but no solution
[12:30] <LjL> oriez, also https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/64125 was suggested
[12:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 64125 in linux-source-2.6.17 "BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0! (dup-of: 63418)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[12:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 63418 in linux-source-2.6.17 "CPU soft lockup during boot if ipw3945 kill switch is on" [High,Confirmed]  
[12:31] <LjL> well oriez, i'm giving you a possible solution - boot with the "noapic" kernel parameter. let us know how it goes.
[12:31] <oriez> they are not showing a solution
[12:31] <LjL> sometimes one has to do his own research, as not all problems have a ready-made solution.
[12:31] <oriez> and i can't open the websites thats you gave me
[12:31] <LjL> besides, there *are* some solutions in there
[12:32] <LjL> oriez: then try http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/64125
[12:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 64125 in linux-source-2.6.17 "BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0! (dup-of: 63418)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  
[12:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 63418 in linux-source-2.6.17 "CPU soft lockup during boot if ipw3945 kill switch is on" [High,Confirmed]  
[12:32] <LjL> must be that firefox bug again
[12:32] <oriez> it's great if you can open the page that could be cool
[12:33] <NickPresta> Could I please be tested for the DCC Exploit?
[12:33] <oriez> i might even find a answer
[12:33] <LjL> oriez: i can. one solution that's proposed there is disabling the ipw3945 module. i'll tell Ubotu to give you a link on how to "blacklist" modules.
[12:33] <LjL> NickPresta: sure
[12:33] <NickPresta> LjL, thank you
[12:33] <LjL> blnt
[12:34] <oriez> it has to do someting with the common unix printing system
[12:34] <LjL> NickPresta, that didn't work. have you disconnected and reconnected your IRC client, after following the instructions?
[12:34] <LjL> oriez, it merely happens after CUPS starts, but i'm not sure it has something to *do* with it
[12:34] <NickPresta> I would imagine that meant I failed
[12:34] <LjL> NickPresta: correct conclusion
[12:35] <jdong> LjL: I don't see why disabling ipw3945 should be a deciding factor... I have two laptops here that use ipw3945 on dual-core setups without issue
[12:35] <NickPresta> LjL, give me a moment to check my network list. I thought I changed my port to 8001. Simply setting the server to irc.freenode.net/8001 should do it, correct?
[12:35] <oriez> http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8241/0927071756oq7.jpg check this screenshot
[12:36] <LjL> jdong, i haven't the slightest idea, but it solved it for someone on that bug report. anyway, what *i* would try first is "noapic", but it's like the 10th time i tell him, and i'm making a fool of myself now
[12:36] <LjL> NickPresta: yes, that's the idea
[12:36] <LjL> NickPresta: although the exact syntax (wether it's servername/port, or something else) depends on the client
[12:36] <jdong> LjL: I concur with testing noapic.... ipw3945 doesn't make sense to me.
[12:36] <LjL> oriez, we have that link.
[12:36] <NickPresta> LjL, okay. Allow me to reconnect again..
[12:36] <LjL> oriez, two possible fixes for you:
[12:37] <LjL> 1) try adding the "noapic" kernel option to your kernel, it's done like this
[12:37] <LjL> !boot
[12:37] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[12:37] <LjL> 2) if that fails, try blacklisting the ipw3945 module, which is done like this
[12:37] <LjL> !blacklist
[12:37] <ubotu> To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add  blacklist <modulename>  to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type  sudo update-initramfs -u 
[12:37] <LjL> now oriez, i've gone way too far already. this isn't a support channel
[12:37] <LjL> so try the above, and i'll be glad to hear from you whether it succeeds or fails.
[12:37] <LjL> have a good day
[12:38] <oriez> i dont have access to the filesystem
[12:38] <oriez> how can i recover my files
[12:38] <LjL> oriez: you don't need to, to test "noapic". it's done in GRUB.
[12:38] <NickPresta> LjL, I'm connected on port 8001. Could you test me once again? Thanks.
[12:38] <LjL> NickPresta: you're ok now, one moment
[12:39] <LjL> NickPresta: thank you
[12:39] <NickPresta> Thank you.
[12:39] <oriez> do you thing i'm Einstein how can i do it
[12:39] <LjL> sigh
[12:39] <LjL> oriez
[12:39] <LjL> !boot > oriez    (oriez, see the private message from Ubotu)
[12:39] <LjL> THE LINKS oriez, use THE LINKS
[12:39] <mc44> Einstein was rubbish with computers anyway. Couldnt use a mouse to save his life
[12:39] <LjL> it's EXPLAINED there. now, no support anymore.
[12:39] <oriez> where is pelo he is a good guy
[12:39] <LjL> how the heck do i know
[12:40] <oriez> ya right you are a lamer
[12:41] <LjL> oriez: wait until your Ubuntu starts booting. if you don't usually see a menu, then hit Esc until you do. when you see it, hit the "E" key. then go to the longest line, and hit "E" again. type " noapic" with a space before the word. then hit "B". see if it fixes it
[12:41] <LjL> as i said, have a good day
[12:41] <LjL> someone should save myself from myself
[12:43] <LjL> (he's gone offline in case you wonder)
[12:48] <PriceChild> I'm guessing I won't have a fixed connection tomorrow, and probably won't have internets at new house that i'm moving into on saturday for a few weeks so won't be on irc much if at all. Bye :)
[12:48] <LjL> good luck PriceChild
[12:48] <PriceChild> you too, have fun :)