=== kwwii [n=kwwii@khepri.openbios.org] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [01:01] manchicken: ping, how did you install compiz? apt-get? [01:01] ryanakca: Yup === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #kubuntu-devel === emilsedgh [n=emilsedg@84.47.209.28] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:06] manchicken: cool :) [01:07] sorry, why kde4 packages are built with debugging? they are huge... [01:08] its so hard to get them for people with low connection [01:17] manchicken: hmm.... does compiz crash for you whenever you minimize/hide yakuake? [01:17] emilsedgh: probably because they are considered alpha/beta and debug informations helps to report bugs? [01:18] Goliath23: well, at the current state of kde, no one goes to report a bug, like 'konqueror crashes when i do something', its just waste of time and bandwidth... [01:19] emilsedgh: so you are suggesting to provide packages w/o debug information and switch to packages w debug info when? [01:19] Goliath23: maybe from RC releases? [01:21] emilsedgh: hm. given that most (contributor) ppl. have enough bandwidth, I think its right to ship unstable packages meant for testing with debug info. [01:22] Goliath23: but contributor ppl do not use kubuntu packages, they usually have trunk from svn or at least source packages [01:23] i don't know. maybe. [01:24] I'm on a 16mbit line. and the slowest line you can get these days in germany is about 2mbit... so I don't think this is so much of an issue here. [01:24] Goliath23: youre doing a global job, im on a dial up connection here in Iran :), im not asking this for just myself, lots of ppl are yelling about this at the moment [01:25] and, klash is just showing a black rectangle while firefox can show swf files with gnash...(just to inform you) [01:26] klash? [01:26] emilsedgh: how fast is your dial up, and what's the "usual" internet connection speed in iran these days? [01:27] Goliath23: klash, konqueror plugin for gnash :) [01:27] ah okay [01:27] Goliath23: usually ppl use dialup and usuall download rate is about 3/4Kbps [01:28] okay, that's a problem if you want do download distro's or even stay up to date with updates... [01:29] the cheapest way to stay up-to-date would probably be to use svn. which tries to reduce traffic by design.. [01:29] the initial checkout would takes ages, though :/ [01:29] Goliath23: ah yes, i checked out the kdelibs, took many hours [01:30] yeah, but the following svn up's are faster. [01:30] much faster than downloading an updated kubuntu .deb [01:32] emilsedgh: anyway, gotta go to bed. cu and greetings to iran :) [01:32] thanks Goliath23 [01:32] and, what are the requirements to be a MOTU? I already can make packages, i packaged kirocker music display for feisty, it didnt have very nice quality and didnt met the standards, but i think i can help, is there any place that shows me a list of non-packaged stuff? [01:34] dunno, I just hang around here sometimes. seems to be very quiet here right now. maybe it's better to ask on a (k)ubuntu developer mailing list or so [01:35] ok, thanks Goliath23 [01:35] Goliath23: and good night [01:35] thanks, cu === emilsedgh [n=emilsedg@84.47.209.28] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-048-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.241.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sacater [n=sacater@ubuntu/member/colchester-lug.sacater] has joined #kubuntu-devel === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1ccc:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Pitabred [n=pita@c-67-190-48-101.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger_ [n=me@N797P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Goliath23 [n=david@vidsolbach.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Pitabred [n=pita@c-67-190-48-101.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@02-202.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@122.2.250.148] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === maniacmusician_ [n=maniacmu@66.251.24.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken [n=manckn@12-226-72-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.241.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@adsl-75-5-236-211.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:38] evening [03:38] it is...good observation [03:40] good morning :) === imbrandon [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:45] hello again Jucato [03:45] hello again jjesse :) [03:47] anything crazy and fun going on? [03:47] fortunately nothing much :) [03:53] Jucato, gnomefreak: it's time :p [03:53] for what? [03:53] ok ill be there in a minute this guy is gonna give me a headache [03:53] for the fun to begin :) [03:54] what fun? [03:56] a boarderline troll === Jucato would hate to be interrogated by stdin... [03:57] I can be a b***h yes :p [03:58] so are you going to unban him or what? hehehe [03:58] I'm letting the suspense get to him :p === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.241.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.241.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:15] jjesse: I am not superspicious, I am just a little spicious [04:15] hahaha === Jucato couldn't make sense of that [04:16] really.. [04:16] it was on a TV show here tonight [04:16] he will get it, I believe it is his favorite show [04:16] wth did jack_wyt get k-lined for ? :) [04:16] hehe [04:18] "do you use Kopete a lot? do you have friends who use Kopete a lot, too? Then try out this fun emoticon: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/show.php?content=54396" === nixternal uses bitlbee [04:18] hehehe :) [04:19] from someone who uses irssi, I expected that already :) === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-58-249.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:20] nixternal: you moving to DC soon? [04:21] maybe in the spring === Jucato wonders when is spring... [04:21] we only have 2 seasons here.. wet and dry === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:21] but that has kinda been whacked lately [04:22] 6 to 8 months [04:22] ah I see.. [04:22] :) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #kubuntu-devel === innovati [n=innovati@d38-133-139.home1.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:12] ryanakca: I don't use yakuake. [05:16] Jucato: hey [05:17] yo [05:17] ive got a pretty intense set up here [05:17] the pm that you are about to get will tell you why [05:17] okaaay.. :) [05:18] ooh hehe :) === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-048-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Pitabred [n=pita@c-67-190-48-101.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:27] boo [06:27] hiya Hobbsee [06:27] hi nixternal! [06:31] can I quit now, I feel my job is done? :p [06:32] can you believe my x-wife had the nerve to tell me that when I move out to DC in a few months that I will have to cut back on my computer use and hang out with her and my daughter more :/ [06:32] I don't know if I can do the whole "go to bed when I go to bed" deal...that will take a few years to get into :p [06:35] nixternal: no you cant. [06:35] nixternal: awwww [06:35] what if she tries to make me? [06:35] tell her no? [06:35] will you beat her up for me? [06:35] no [06:35] I am scared of her [06:35] she is greek! [06:35] then you're in trouble. [06:35] damn the luck [06:35] i take it you're going to go back and live with your X wife? [06:35] eventually [06:36] right [06:36] but I am heading out there next year to be closer and not be the big ass I was in the 90s [06:36] :) [06:36] that's a good start :) [06:36] I am still a big ass, I just know how to control it a little better now :) === Jucato thinks... if nixternal is a big scary man.. and nixternal is scared of his ex... can't imagine what the ex is... === nixternal goes to the gallery [06:49] :) === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | 7.10 Beta out === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Thu Sep 27 15:13:38 2007 === aplg|mobile [n=me@193.170.67.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rraphink is now known as raphink === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.16] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:49] anyone know who dropped my libjasper deps, and why? [09:49] coudl have sworn i had it added === jpetso [n=jpetso@chello080109015135.5.14.vie.surfer.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:52] hmm, why wouldn't strigi-applet be installed? "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop" doesn't install it [09:52] stdin: because you didnt use --install-recommends, when you upgraded. [09:53] well even adding --with-recommends to aptitude doesn't add it [09:53] and it's the only recommend of k-desktop that isn't installed [09:58] i was meaning with apt, not aptitude [09:58] otherwise, remove k-d, then install it again either with apt with --i-r, or aptitude [09:59] yeah, did that. but the strange thing is that other recommends of k-desktop got installed with aptitude upgrades before === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.16] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:00] oh well, doesn't matter much I guess === Hobbsee wonders if aptitude installs recommends for upgrades, too [10:02] I think it does, not 100% on it tho === Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === waylandbill [n=waylandb@70-101-124-72.dsl1-field.roc.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|mobile1 [n=me@193.170.67.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@p54976B32.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180069186.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:58] stdin: are you around and not busy? [10:58] Hobbsee: sure [10:58] stdin: i'm looking to make a kdebase upload, but i need some help in seeing if there's anything else we want to fix in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase [11:01] what's fixed so far? [11:01] or just stuff that's still confirmed? [11:03] stdin: [11:03] * Added kubuntu_17_check_for_prelinking.diff. (Closes LP: #107694) [11:03] * Added konqueror dependancy for konqueror-nsplugins. (LP: #139893) [11:03] * Added kubuntu_fix_kscreensaver_with_compiz_fixed_in_3.5.8.diff [11:03] (LP: #141628) [11:03] and the CVE one there === apachelogger__ [n=me@N712P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:18] Hobbsee: from what I can see that should be ok [11:18] stdin: OK === milian [n=milian@p57BB322C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:18] tho there are a few to trawl through :p [11:18] yay for Hobbsee!! :) [11:19] stdin: yeah, just a few [11:22] too many bugs.... head exploding... *BOOM* [11:23] lol [11:24] that's what i keep finding [11:25] too many bugs... Hobbsee will have a chomping feast! :) [11:28] hmm, do you think bug #132245 is really a "bug", or just a side effect of the way kdesudo works [11:28] Launchpad bug 132245 in kdesudo "Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-privat" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132245 [11:29] thought it was a sudo -u bug mentioned by Tonio_? [11:29] well sudo would produce that error too [11:29] jeroenvrp: confonrming concerning kdesudo -u that's a sudo problem..... [11:30] but it seems to be because the UID the app is running under is 0 but it's running in the users environment [11:30] so is it really a bug or just side effect of running an app as another user [11:30] ? [11:31] ie: "kdesudo -u stdin kate" produces no errors [11:32] stdin: kdesudo -u just performs a sudo -u [11:32] and sudo -u doesn't work as expected, at list here [11:32] least === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Stecchino [n=bart@d54C2FD62.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Stecchino [n=bart@d54C2FD62.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:13] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey, I wrote a comment on the launchpad bug for kdesu fade, and why we pulled it. === Jucato waves at _StefanS_ [12:16] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato, Hobbsee and all [12:17] _StefanS_: super, thanks :) [12:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: nothing yet for the kdmtheme, but I'm going to look at it more in a moment [12:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: had to sleep a little aswell [12:19] you ok? [12:20] _StefanS_: hehe [12:21] <_StefanS_> Jucato: i'm fine :) [12:21] good :) [12:21] now get back to work :P === Jucato runs and hides [12:21] <_StefanS_> Jucato: kids all over the place, and we're getting extension to the house, my wife is starting a webshop, and I have to work, and do kubuntu stuff aswell. And sleep :D [12:22] <_StefanS_> but its all fun [12:22] wow :) [12:23] <_StefanS_> yep a bit of coordination on the house thingy [12:23] <_StefanS_> ensurance, contracts and stuff [12:23] <_StefanS_> but its almost done. [12:23] <_StefanS_> oh, and I need to finish with the c++ reading aswell. [12:23] the "kids all over the place" alone would have made me go to sleep already, much less the other stuff :) [12:24] <_StefanS_> hehe, our girl is almost walking all the time now, so really gets "around". Last time she messed with all my antistatic bags, motherboards and memory modules [12:24] <_StefanS_> you really gotta act fast [12:27] <_StefanS_> I'm up for at VIA EPIA-EX15000G giveaway if anyone is interested. [12:27] <_StefanS_> 1gb memory on it. [12:28] O.o === \sh_away is now known as \sh [12:28] <_StefanS_> at/a :D [12:29] very tempting :) [12:29] <_StefanS_> how was the shipping options to you ? poor still? [12:29] always :( [12:30] <_StefanS_> hmm not even ups deliver? [12:30] although my relatives from NY used to send boxes through Johnny Air [12:31] <_StefanS_> Johnny air? sounds like buzz lightyears pal from toy story [12:31] <_StefanS_> haha === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.241.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:31] hehe yeah [12:31] hi _StefanS_ [12:31] <_StefanS_> hey Hobbsee [12:32] <_StefanS_> did anyone else notice the ubuntu livedvd doesnt show the gnome app panel anymore ? [12:32] <_StefanS_> looks kinda nice actually. [12:33] gnome app panel? [12:33] <_StefanS_> yep the one in the top is missing [12:33] ooooh? [12:33] <_StefanS_> gnome menu or whatever === Jucato didn't know that [12:33] yeah main menu [12:33] <_StefanS_> yes look like a real installer [12:34] <_StefanS_> i mean , not like a working system :) [12:34] <_StefanS_> or maybe it just crashed hehe === Stecchino [n=bart@d54C2FD62.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:50] I see some strange uploads of kdebluetooth: some on beta7 and some on beta8 [12:51] i suspect that was due to the freeze === Stecchino [n=bart@d54C2FD62.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:52] Hobbsee: ok, so probably they are just announced in random order... [12:52] well, the most recent one would have been taken [12:52] others would have been rejected - or should have [12:52] sorry, highest version === lucky_lucas [n=lucas@42.79.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEEC64.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|mobile [n=me@193.170.67.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel === milian [n=milian@p57BB322C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor_ [n=renate@p57AEEC64.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.241.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.241.211] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:52] Riddell: just read your comment. did you start from a clean source tree? [01:52] Goliath23: yes [01:52] and it builds fine? [01:52] yes [01:53] what resolution do you use on the screen? [01:53] 1024x768 [01:53] and are you on a laptop which maybe has a disabled second screen? [01:53] nope [01:53] desktop [01:53] what shall I say... it works for me.. [01:54] on a 1 screen system? [01:54] I even tested it on single head setup by modifying my xorg.conf [01:54] yes [01:54] so you did apt-get source, copied the patch do debian/patches and then installed the new deb? === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:57] MOTU Q&A session in #ubuntu-classroom in 2 minutes :) === aplg|mobile [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@bchm-4d091956.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180069186.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.3.7] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:46] Riddell: I just retested the patch, this time on my workstation in the office. it works (dual screen setup 2x1600x1200). === freeflyi1g [n=freeflyi@123.116.101.20] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-26-33.w90-14.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/dholbach] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.93.79.20] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:25] Riddell: at least no one was silly enough to ask me to do anything for the open week. [03:25] it doesn't match your timezone well [03:29] anyone else fancy testing Goliath23's patch? === Riddell eyes up Hobbsee, Tonio_ === Hobbsee sees Riddell's eyes, and raises him some eyebrows. [03:30] which patch is this? [03:33] bottom of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ksplash-engine-moodin/+bug/41407 [03:33] Launchpad bug 41407 in ksplash-engine-moodin "Kubuntu's Ksplash icons are too close to each other" [Medium,Confirmed] [03:33] also the Theme.rc on comment 22 [03:34] Riddell: yes ? [03:34] Riddell: testing [03:36] Riddell: hum..... I don't have the bug here. hard to test the patch then...... ksplash theme just works on my computer, as expected [03:37] Riddell: i have no twinview nvidia card, sorry [03:37] like Tonio_, mine "Just Works" (tm) === Karajan [n=Sea@60.20.54.11] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:45] Riddell: are the archives reopened ? my uploads seems to still be in the queue atm [03:47] Tonio_: it seems so === mluser-work [n=mluser-w@208.178.12.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:48] Hobbsee: oki I'll just have to wait a bit then :) === Jucato can imagine uploads patiently standing in line... waiting... [03:54] Hobbsee, Tonio_: the point is to test if the patch breaks anything on single screen computer [03:54] Tonio_: there's no freeze on [03:54] ah right === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:55] Riddell: okay, let's test then [03:55] Hobbsee: are you testing, do I test ? WTF ? [03:55] Tonio_: go ahead adn test [03:55] adn ? [03:55] dyslexic :) [03:56] and :) [03:57] has there been a decision regarding compiz-fusion on Kubuntu gutsy? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:58] Tonio_: and. i cant type. i thought you knew that. [03:58] Jucato: long ago. no [03:59] Hobbsee: okie dokei. thanks :) [03:59] Jucato: because the kde windecorator *sucks* [03:59] Heya [03:59] and the integration w/ kicker too [03:59] :) [04:00] Jucato: that too [04:00] just wanted to get the official say on the matter when someone asks [04:00] hi bddebian [04:00] Hi Jucato === Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:11] hola Sime [04:11] hey, hello. [04:11] what's the status of gutsy? [04:11] should I dare an upgrade? [04:12] I hear beta is out [04:12] upgrade should mostly work although I've had little feedback on it recently [04:12] so long as you follow the instructions [04:13] Riddell: are recommends getting installed by default for new upgrades though? [04:13] I might try the laptop === Hobbsee suspects there are still bugs in it, as she hsant fixed htem [04:13] I've been busy spending time on pykde4 stuff. [04:13] someone in #k earlier said he just had --version-upgrade crash on him [04:14] Hobbsee: that is a very good question, I don't know [04:15] Jucato: hrm [04:15] if i want to upgrade my feisty to gutsy anything i need to be aware of? [04:15] it also crashes for me at the remove packages stage, that konsole stuff still causes problems [04:15] jjesse: the gremlins. [04:15] Riddell: locked adept. he was able to unlock it, but then apt-get fails on circular dependencies [04:15] let me get the pastebin [04:15] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38912/ [04:16] any serious gremlins? [04:16] morning jjesse! :) [04:16] afternoon Jucato [04:16] jjesse: yeah - hte big green ones. [04:16] evening :) [04:16] jjesse: what time is it there? [04:16] Jucato: 10:16 am [04:16] and i'm hungry for lunch already [04:17] jjesse: oh... we're exactly 12 hours apart :) === Jucato is ahead 12 hours === freeflyi1g [n=freeflyi@123.118.8.60] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:18] seriously folks, is an upgrade worth attempting or should I wait a bit longer? [04:18] go ahead and attempt it, file bugs for anything that breaks [04:20] Sime: yes [04:20] Sime: there's glitches but nothing should break badly [04:20] I assume that if the GUI breaks then I can fix things by running apt enough times, etc [04:21] yes [04:21] but there's no reason the GUI should break at an inconvenient time [04:21] best way is to run it through adept updater? [04:22] jjesse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f52 [04:22] Sime too ^^ === jjesse likes pictures [04:26] Sime: would you know how to get libpythonise to load libpython2.5.so.1 and not libpython2.5.so ? [04:28] when i click on the upgrade wizard and get the warning message on upgrading, shouldn't i see Kubuntu instead of Ubuntu, i mean Welcome to Kubuntu 7.10 'Gutsy Gibbon'? [04:29] ooo error: "could not verify the integrity of the upgrader application. this program will now exit" [04:30] jjesse: try again [04:30] jjesse: you have feisty-proposed enabled? [04:30] yes i did [04:30] worked this time === jjesse crosses fingers [04:33] d'oh not enough free space on / === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@81.202.65.108.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:43] so only 2 hours and 30 minutes remaining on my upgrade [04:47] wow now up to 1 day, 10 hours and 28 minutes === manchicken [n=manckn@209-252-75-168.ip.mcleodusa.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|mobile [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.93.79.20] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:09] k'morning nixternal [05:09] nixternal: so how is you comcrap connection these days? [05:09] it was broken when I woke up this morning [05:09] ;( [05:09] and I thought it was already ok [05:09] but I don't think that was a comcrap problem...there was a fire in one of the substations this morning [05:10] aw... [05:13] HI nixternal you got dugg [05:14] yay! [05:14] Riddell: have to go or a moment, brb to fix bugs and test the ksplash thing [05:25] hi all. [05:26] hi fdoving [05:26] hi jucato. === fdoving is testing gnomebuntu. === mendred_ [n=mendred@59.93.79.20] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech hands fdoving a little red hat === Stecchino [n=bart@d54C56F83.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:29] DaSkreech: redhat? - i don't do .rpm. [05:30] been a while since i did gnome too.. late 2002 iirc. [05:31] I like the new gnome [05:31] Looks pretty [05:34] Riddell: dunno. Isn't it just linked to libpython? [05:35] Sime: it is, but there must be more to it than that since if you delete the /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so symlink guidance modules stop loading [05:36] DaSkreech: the old (2002) gnome did that job rather well too. now it's even usable, to some degree. :) [05:36] I wouldn't go that far. [05:37] Gnome is so strange. [05:37] They agressively go after anything that duplicates efort then they cut out anything that can possibly be cut and yet somehow they still end up with a feeling of bloat [05:39] Riddell: well... it is linked to /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so. I would expect that to happen. [05:39] why do need .so.1? === marcel [n=marcel@lt3.xs4all.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:40] DaSkreech: exactly, i end up changing all settings in gconf-editor. [05:49] Sime: .so only exists in the python2.5-dev package, which isn't installed by default [05:49] and should only be needed at build time [05:49] fdoving: What's the argument for gconf-editor ? [05:54] DaSkreech: it's the only way you can set some advanced options on anything. similar to any kde settings dialog. [05:55] where the settings are similar, not the gui. or something like that. [05:55] fdoving: No I understand the idea of having advanced options. Whats the argument of dumping them all in one place [05:56] DaSkreech: think: about:config [05:56] it's actually very convenient [05:56] Jucato: That's for one app [05:57] DaSkreech: multiply that for all GNOME apps [05:57] DaSkreech: i have no idea, but it's not all that bad to use gconf-editor, if you find your way around it. [05:57] what's the argument for having all them in one place? [05:57] convenience [05:57] and the fact that GNOME afaik stores config files in XML [05:57] gconf [05:57] can one use about:config in nautilus? [05:57] nope [05:57] but anytime I use it half the time I have to make my own keys [05:58] just creating an anology to firefox [05:58] and? [05:58] I never quite get analogies like that [05:58] then ignore it [05:58] itls like comparing gconf-editor to the windows registry [05:58] same interface but very different [05:58] it is. the app, but not the concept [05:59] i'd rather compare it to system-settings without the icons. === tmske [n=thomas@102.66-65-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:59] Yeah I guess [05:59] Wait [05:59] is gconf really like that? [05:59] it's an amalgamation of different configs ? [05:59] basically gconf-editor lets you access options in GNOME (global) and GNOME apps that aren't available through the normal dialogx [05:59] it's not one monolithic app? [05:59] dialogs* [05:59] gconf-editor [05:59] you're mixing gconf w/ gconf-editor [06:00] I get that but does it go and aggregate settings or does it have one huge file in the background? [06:00] Oh [06:00] .. [06:00] aggregates [06:00] Ah ok that I guess I can live with. I was always of the impression that it was a huge file [06:01] :) [06:01] i belive it's more like HAL. [06:01] it does use a key - value pair like windows registry though [06:01] kde configs do that too. [06:01] but per config file, not a monolithic database [06:01] yeah, but in plain text :) [06:01] ksycoca in kde is not that different. [06:02] ok ok!! trivia! what does ksycoca mean? :) [06:02] kde system config cache. [06:02] or something like that. [06:02] yay!!! :) [06:02] give the man a prize! hhehe [06:03] http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/kdeqt/kde3arch/ksycoca.html [06:03] :D === Jucato feels hunger [06:09] He isn't even here [06:09] and of course pitabread flees :) [06:09] http://polishlinux.org/gnome/gconf-gnome-under-the-hood/ [06:09] that's how gconf works. === Jucato tries to verifies what he knows [06:10] hm.. I think this is what I read before :) [06:10] one of the first google hits. [06:10] brb. [06:10] hehe thanks === Pitabred [n=pita@c-67-190-48-101.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === meduxa [n=agustin@199.Red-83-36-56.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:17] Pitabred: run! [06:18] hi meduxa, did that article get written? [06:18] I'm into it [06:19] haven't recieved the photos [06:19] from the organization yet [06:19] if I don't have them [06:19] today, I'll send it to toy with the only picture I have [06:19] to you [06:20] I like conduit [06:21] Riddell: ping [06:22] look like I'm here DaSkreech [06:23] Riddell: has there been any movement in *buntu in regards to smolt ? [06:23] never heard of it [06:23] RedHat/Fedora's Hardware profiling thingy [06:24] but don't we have HWDB already? [06:24] don't think so [06:25] I know but smolt is a) supposed to be more distro independet and b) would have more aggregate info which is good [06:25] Who would know? [06:26] ogra, lifeless [06:26] but hwdb is pretty under-loved [06:26] Another good reason to work with smolt [06:28] fair point [06:35] only 1 hour and 13 minutes remaining on upgrade [06:36] Jucato: http://www.kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/66323-1.png [06:36] That's aggregation done right :) [06:36] ... [06:36] DaSkreech: that's a pretty cool screenshot [06:36] for what distro is that? [06:37] Kubuntu :) [06:37] yeah right.. [06:37] http://nookie.kbfx.org/?p=11 [06:37] it's a mockup [06:37] KDE4 [06:37] Yeah it is but it's still done right [06:37] yes, according to you [06:37] no idea how the logics of getting the AMD logo would work [06:37] unfortunately... [06:38] some devs didn't agree on it iirc [06:38] on what grounds? [06:38] dunno [06:38] I just said iirc === Jucato shrugs [06:38] perhaps on the ground that it doesn't exist yet? [06:38] where were they disagreeing? Mailing lists? [06:38] Ha ha :) [06:39] You would think that devs would be the last set of people to argue on those grounds === Jucato wonders what part of iirc isn't clear === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:39] the recall part ? === maini10 [n=marco@host81-49-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:40] Still aggregation that has glimpse value as well as digging value [06:40]