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| dholbach | MOTU Q&A session in 12 minutes | 01:47 |
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| dholbach | HEY flohack | 01:48 |
| flohack | Hi! I'll wait until 14.00 before I repost my question | 01:49 |
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| dholbach | heya jussi01 | 01:49 |
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| jussi01 | hi dholbach :) | 01:49 |
| BugMaN | hi | 01:49 |
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| dholbach | hey guys :) | 01:49 |
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| Hobbsee | hiya! | 01:49 |
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| dholbach | hello everybody - welcome to another MOTU Q&A session | 01:59 |
| dholbach | if you're here for the session, please quickly introduce yourself :-) | 01:59 |
| dholbach | I'm Daniel Holbach, MOTU for quite a long time now and trying to make it as easy as possible to join the developer crowd - if you still have questions after the session, please mail me with anything | 02:00 |
| dholbach | Who else do we have here? :-) | 02:00 |
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| flohack | Hi! I'm one of the developers of ktikz, a small application designed for scientific writers who use TikZ for drawing their illustrations. I try to get ktikz into Ubuntu :-) | 02:00 |
| dholbach | great to have you here flohack | 02:01 |
| TheMuso | Hi. I am Luke Yelavich, a MOTU since January, and packaging lead for the UbuntuStudio project, as well as a regular accessibility team contributer. | 02:01 |
| dholbach | seb128: we're going through a round of introductions atm | 02:01 |
| flohack | Don't laugh at the name ktikz please...not one of my most creative inventions I know gg | 02:01 |
| seb128 | Hi, I'm Sebastien and I'm working on the Ubuntu Desktop for canonical | 02:02 |
| dholbach | flohack: don't worry - I think there are names for software that are worse :) | 02:02 |
| dholbach | anybody else? | 02:02 |
| BugMaN | Hi! I'm Maurizio, i try to improve my skills on packages activities | 02:02 |
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| dholbach | great to have you here, BugMaN | 02:02 |
| pleia2 | hey, I'm Lyz, I do some software packaging for Debian, will sort of be lurking (I'm at work) but am interested in starting to pick up on how things work in MOTU | 02:02 |
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| dholbach | AstralJava, adam_b: we're going through a quick round of introductions atm - nice you are stopping by :) | 02:03 |
| dholbach | pleia2: excellent | 02:03 |
| porthose | Hi I packaged ampache for debian, just hanging out | 02:03 |
| dholbach | porthose: nice to see you again | 02:04 |
| porthose | :) | 02:04 |
| dholbach | ok, maybe everybody else will introduce themselves during the session; let's go :-) | 02:04 |
| dholbach | the documents I can suggest to all those of you who are new to packaging are | 02:04 |
| dholbach | - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU (of course) | 02:04 |
| dholbach | - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Recipes (to start playing with tools you use for packaging everyday) | 02:05 |
| dholbach | - https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/ (to look up whatever might be new to you) | 02:05 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation (has important links to all kinds of packaging docs) | 02:06 |
| dholbach | who of you started packaging new software or working on existing packages already? | 02:06 |
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| porthose | new | 02:07 |
| flohack | I just uploaded ktikz to REVU, could someone please give me a link to the review procedure, or explain? Do I have to ask someone here for a review explicitly, or are you reviewing packages all the time and should I just wait until my package is reviewed? | 02:07 |
| jussi01 | Hei, Im Jussi, Im a motu mentoree - hopefully one day I'll get to MOTU. Im also part of the ubuntu studio team | 02:07 |
| flohack | so that would be new then | 02:07 |
| dholbach | flohack: yes, that's a NEW package | 02:07 |
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| dholbach | flohack: good question... the MOTU policy says that two MOTUs will have to give a positive review for your package | 02:08 |
| flohack | Yes that's clear from the docs | 02:08 |
| TheMuso | Since we are close to a release, bug fixing is more of a priority at the moment, so your package likely won't be looked at till next cycle. | 02:08 |
| dholbach | flohack: you can ask for reviews on #ubuntu-motu on the ubuntu-motu-mentors@ mailing list, but at the moment we're in NewPackagesFreeze | 02:08 |
| dholbach | so we're focusing more on existing bugs, etc | 02:08 |
| TheMuso | dholbach: That too. | 02:08 |
| dholbach | flohack: but it does not hurt to send a mail to ubuntu-motu-mentors@; somebody with a bit of free time will look after your package | 02:09 |
| flohack | I thought that was just for main atm...but you just released beta...which probably introduced the freeze i suppose | 02:09 |
| TheMuso | flohack: The freeze has been in place for a few weeks actually. | 02:09 |
| dholbach | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule has more info on all the freezes | 02:09 |
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| porthose | During next release cycle will MOTU be reviewing packages in PPA's | 02:09 |
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| dholbach | porthose: yes, if they have bugs with needs-packaging assigned to them | 02:10 |
| TheMuso | porthose: They would be better on revu, as there is a comments system that allows for viewing of what has been reviewed, and what needs work etc. | 02:10 |
| TheMuso | IMO | 02:10 |
| flohack | Is FeatureFreeze the relevant deadline for new Universe packges? | 02:10 |
| dholbach | yes, it's as TheMuso says; we currently are in a state where we have not integrated the PPA system into our review processes fully yet | 02:11 |
| porthose | Cool Thx | 02:11 |
| dholbach | flohack: yes, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze | 02:11 |
| dholbach | Who of you worked on existing packages already? Like applied a patch? | 02:12 |
| norsetto | me :-) | 02:12 |
| jussi01 | me | 02:12 |
| BugMaN | me sometimes :) | 02:12 |
| AstralJava | o/ | 02:12 |
| dholbach | great :) | 02:13 |
| dholbach | how did you get your packages uploaded? | 02:13 |
| dholbach | first of all, I'm pleased to see that you are working on existing packages like that - that's one thing I like about MOTU: if there's a bug that bothers you, it's very easy to just change it and get things fixed | 02:14 |
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| dholbach | did you make use of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess to get the change included in Ubuntu or did you ping somebody to get it done? | 02:14 |
| BugMaN | yes, usual i'm subscribe bug to universe or main sponsors | 02:15 |
| jussi01 | no, pinged | 02:15 |
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| jussi01 | nice page to know though :) | 02:15 |
| dholbach | BugMaN: nice | 02:16 |
| dholbach | jussi01: yeah, it's good to use that process, because you're not blocked on individual persons, who might or might not have time | 02:16 |
| BugMaN | dholbach: i done that via LP and not with a tool | 02:16 |
| flohack | Thank you very much for helping! Unfortunately I have to get back to my thesis. Keep up the good work! | 02:16 |
| dholbach | jussi01: also you get input from not just one, but lots of different people | 02:16 |
| dholbach | flohack: let me know how your attempts at becoming a MOTU go | 02:16 |
| flohack | I'll do! | 02:17 |
| dholbach | flohack: I'm keen to see you on that team and keen to see you project in Ubuntu soon | 02:17 |
| dholbach | rock on! | 02:17 |
| flohack | thanks! | 02:17 |
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| dholbach | BugMaN: yeah that's fine too; as long as ubuntu-*-sponsors are on the bug | 02:17 |
| dholbach | does anybody have any concrete questions? | 02:17 |
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| dholbach | any package or problem we could take a look at together? | 02:17 |
| jussi01 | dholbach: is there a list of things you need to know for becoming a motu? | 02:18 |
| dholbach | jussi01: good question | 02:19 |
| dholbach | jussi01: no, there's not; but the process is very easy and very straight-forward | 02:19 |
| TheMuso | My answer to that would be, you can't know everything, but you need to know where to go to get the answers you seek. | 02:19 |
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| dholbach | 1) basically you contribute changes, new packages, patches, etc by the process described above | 02:19 |
| TheMuso | THings you do need to know, are how to read and understand diffs, understand the commonly used files in the debian directory, and how a package goes together. | 02:20 |
| dholbach | 2) at some stage your sponsors tell you "hey man, you should be able to do this yourself; you're doing good work" | 02:20 |
| dholbach | 3) you send a small application to the MOTU Council | 02:20 |
| dholbach | 4) You become MOTU | 02:20 |
| jussi01 | ahhh :) | 02:20 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Hopeful/Recruitment is the process for that | 02:20 |
| jussi01 | cool. thank you | 02:20 |
| dholbach | it's really straight-forward and it takes people like norsetto just a few weeks ;-) | 02:20 |
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| jussi01 | (and people like jussi01 a few years...lol) | 02:21 |
| dholbach | but TheMuso has a good point: it's really important to know who to ask and when to ask other people | 02:21 |
| dholbach | that's why it's good to be on the ubuntu-motu and ubuntu-motu-mentors mailing lists and ask people if you're unsure | 02:21 |
| dholbach | also to get your packages reviewed by a variety of people | 02:21 |
| dholbach | jussi01: I doubt that :-) | 02:22 |
| TheMuso | Agreed. Getting known amongst the MOTUs, means a better chance of becoming one yourself. | 02:22 |
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| dholbach | hey gpocentek | 02:22 |
| gpocentek | hello dholbach | 02:22 |
| jussi01 | dholbach: :) One more question - is it necessary to become an ubuntu member before becoming a motu? | 02:22 |
| TheMuso | jussi01: No. | 02:22 |
| dholbach | jussi01: no, motu membership includes ubuntumembers membership | 02:23 |
| jussi01 | ok. :) | 02:23 |
| dholbach | if you want to get involved with the MOTUs and don't know what to work on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO has a variety of easy bugs and packages to fix | 02:23 |
| dholbach | for example the weekly bitesize tasks at the bottom of the page | 02:23 |
| huats | jussi01: and you will notice that everyone is very nice with you when you start (even after ofcourse...) | 02:23 |
| === TheMuso has been trawling the big pile of universe bugs lately, and found a fair few that he could fix. | ||
| jussi01 | huats: very true :) | 02:24 |
| TheMuso | SO theres plenty there, just be prepared to do some bug triaj along the way. :p | 02:24 |
| dholbach | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=unmetdeps for example | 02:24 |
| norsetto | jussi01: a little word of advice from a fresh motu: don't be shy or afraid to ask, ask, ask, and when in doubt ask. oh, and ask | 02:24 |
| dholbach | that's a list of bugs of packages that are not installable in gutsy at the moment | 02:24 |
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| TheMuso | jussi01: Thanks for dropping by. | 02:25 |
| jussi01 | norsetto: thanks...dont worry... I do | 02:25 |
| dholbach | jussi01: see you around and let me know how things go | 02:25 |
| ian_brasil | hi ..i have just ported a couple of apps to ubuntu mobile. I assume that I need to make the .deb packages now and then ping someone when it is done ..is this the correct procedure. Also is there a canonical tutorial for packaging? | 02:25 |
| BugMaN | dholbach: for those bugs it's better to have a pbuilder envy for gutsy to test? | 02:25 |
| jussi01 | dholbach: np. I will | 02:25 |
| dholbach | BugMaN: and probably a chroot to test-install the packages in afterwards | 02:25 |
| dholbach | BugMaN: but yeah, that's a requirement | 02:25 |
| BugMaN | dholbach: | 02:26 |
| BugMaN | dholbach: ok | 02:26 |
| TheMuso | dholbach: Do we have a good document explaining what a chroot is? | 02:26 |
| dholbach | ian_brasil: I can paste you a few documentation links I mentioned at the beginning of the session | 02:26 |
| ian_brasil | cool | 02:26 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: DebuggingProgramCrash has one I think | 02:26 |
| TheMuso | dholbach: ah ok. | 02:26 |
| dholbach | sudo mkdir /chroots; sudo debootstrap gutsy /chroots/gutsy should work I think | 02:27 |
| dholbach | (getting debootstrap from -backports is necessary for that) | 02:27 |
| norsetto | TheMuso: I find this very good https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot | 02:27 |
| dholbach | ah nice | 02:27 |
| TheMuso | norsetto: Yeah thats another good one, but it uses the slowly phasing out dchroot. | 02:27 |
| dholbach | ian_brasil: after that uploading them and asking for review using http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess will get you reviews for those packages | 02:28 |
| norsetto | TheMuso: yes, but it says so ;-) | 02:28 |
| TheMuso | I use LVM snapshots with chroots and sbuild personally. | 02:28 |
| dholbach | ian_brasil: after having gone through a bunch of successful sponsored uploads, people will ask you to become a MOTU yourself and you can send an application to the MOTU Council | 02:28 |
| dholbach | ian_brasil: that's basically it | 02:29 |
| dholbach | any more questions? | 02:29 |
| dholbach | any packages / patches we should look at together? | 02:29 |
| ian_brasil | dholbach: that helps a lot...thx | 02:29 |
| Goliath23 | dholbach: i have a technical question. debuild fails on my machine here with an error message. | 02:31 |
| Goliath23 | can I post it? | 02:31 |
| dholbach | Goliath23: fire away | 02:31 |
| norsetto | !ask | goliath23 | 02:31 |
| ubotu | goliath23: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :) | 02:31 |
| Goliath23 | checking if C++ programs can be compiled... no | 02:31 |
| Goliath23 | configure: error: Your Installation isn't able to compile simple C++ programs. | 02:31 |
| Goliath23 | Check config.log for details - if you're using a Linux distribution you might miss | 02:31 |
| Goliath23 | a package named similar to libstdc++-dev. | 02:31 |
| TheMuso | Goliath23: DO you have build-essential installed? | 02:31 |
| dholbach | Goliath23: do you have build-essential installed? | 02:31 |
| Goliath23 | I have the standard c++ libs installes. on my computer at home debuild works fine | 02:31 |
| dholbach | hehe | 02:31 |
| Goliath23 | yes | 02:32 |
| dholbach | is this a certain package? | 02:32 |
| dholbach | or some other software? | 02:32 |
| Goliath23 | nono, ist ksplash-engine-moodin | 02:32 |
| Goliath23 | works fine and builds fine at home | 02:32 |
| dholbach | try sudo apt-get build-dep ksplash-engine-moodin | 02:32 |
| Goliath23 | nothing installed | 02:33 |
| dholbach | then config.log will have the answer | 02:33 |
| Goliath23 | can I somehow remove and reinstall build-essential and all deps of it? | 02:33 |
| norsetto | Goliath23: can you paste your configure.log to pastebin? | 02:33 |
| Goliath23 | #ifdef __cplusplus | 02:33 |
| Goliath23 | extern "C" void std::exit (int) throw (); using std::exit; | 02:33 |
| Goliath23 | configure: exit 1 | 02:33 |
| Goliath23 | norsetto: sure | 02:33 |
| Goliath23 | http://pastebin.com/m658d4398 | 02:34 |
| slytherin | Is there any page mentioning what kind of changes can/should/should not be done when creating a package from existing debian package? | 02:34 |
| TheMuso | slytherin: What reason do you have to modify a debian packge for Ubuntu | 02:35 |
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| TheMuso | Usually f possible, its better to send the fix to Debian, and sync accross to Ubuntu. | 02:35 |
| dholbach | slytherin: not to my knowledge. but there's an easy rule of thumb: if it addresses a certain need that we can't achieve by syncing from debian, keep the changes as small as possible | 02:35 |
| Goliath23 | norsetto: hm, line 1012 something about pthread.. | 02:35 |
| slytherin | TheMuso: ex. I modified copyright year and download url in debian/copyright of a package. I also added version for libvorbis-dev as per my understanding of configure sript. | 02:36 |
| dholbach | slytherin: the thing is: we re-merge all our changed packages with debian in the beginnign of the release cycle and the bigger your change, the more conflicts it's probably going to have with a new version from debian we're merging with | 02:36 |
| TheMuso | slytherin: That sounds like something that could go to Debian, and synced accross. | 02:37 |
| slytherin | dholbach: That is right. That is why I wanted to know if their are any guidelines. | 02:37 |
| dholbach | slytherin: that sounds like cosmetical changes the user probably has no benefit of | 02:37 |
| dholbach | slytherin: no strict guidelines, but bear in mind that you or somebody else will have to re-do your changes to package when merging again | 02:37 |
| norsetto | Goliath23: yes, sounds like an header problem | 02:38 |
| slytherin | dholbach: hmm | 02:38 |
| dholbach | slytherin: does that make sense? | 02:38 |
| slytherin | dholbach: yes, it does | 02:38 |
| dholbach | ok | 02:38 |
| dholbach | Goliath23: what kind of modifications did you do? | 02:39 |
| Goliath23 | dholbach: no modifications.. I guess I'll be able to continue from here... I guess I have to remove some deprecated libsomthing-dev ... | 02:39 |
| norsetto | Goliath23: try reinstalling libc6-dev | 02:39 |
| Goliath23 | kk, thanks guys | 02:40 |
| huats | Hey all | 02:40 |
| dholbach | generally a: sudo apt-get install devscripts build-essential fakeroot; sudo apt-get build-dep <package>; fakeroot apt-get source -b <package> should enable you to build it | 02:40 |
| Goliath23 | ah... apt-get remove --purge libpthread-dev did the job! | 02:40 |
| dholbach | hey huats | 02:40 |
| dholbach | any more packaging problems? any packages we should look at? | 02:41 |
| huats | oups I thought Goliath23 was over... I let you finish and then I ask mine :-) | 02:41 |
| dholbach | huats: fire away | 02:41 |
| Goliath23 | i'm finished | 02:41 |
| dholbach | ian_brasil: any mobile packages you have lined up? :) | 02:41 |
| huats | I have problems for solving bug #36733 | 02:41 |
| huats | the rubber part.... | 02:42 |
| dholbach | oh, the py[co] one? :) | 02:42 |
| huats | yep | 02:42 |
| norsetto | bug 36733 | 02:42 |
| === dholbach remembers the bug number :) | ||
| dholbach | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adonthell/+bug/36733 | 02:42 |
| huats | you saw it so many times... | 02:42 |
| dholbach | yes :) | 02:42 |
| dholbach | alright, which source package are we looking at? | 02:42 |
| huats | well I have been searching a way to remove the pyc and the only one was to make a find /rm | 02:43 |
| dholbach | rubber? | 02:43 |
| huats | rubber | 02:43 |
| huats | yep | 02:43 |
| slytherin | is ubotu sleeping? Why didn't he read the bug description for us? | 02:43 |
| dholbach | slytherin: no idea | 02:43 |
| ian_brasil | i have ported gpodder and liferea to UME | 02:43 |
| dholbach | ian_brasil: wow - nice | 02:43 |
| ian_brasil | i python and i C app | 02:43 |
| huats | so I tried to insert that in debian/rules inside the install target | 02:43 |
| huats | but nothing seems to work... | 02:43 |
| dholbach | can you post the new rules file somewhere? | 02:44 |
| huats | yep | 02:44 |
| huats | pastebin.... | 02:44 |
| dholbach | does everybody understand what huats' bug is about? | 02:44 |
| ian_brasil | I am writing the UME Guide so my idea is to document the whole MOTU process for other mobile devs | 02:44 |
| dholbach | ian_brasil: that's great - we should chat about that at some stage | 02:44 |
| ian_brasil | for sure..i was hoping you would say that :) | 02:44 |
| porthose | is there a way to setup multiple pbuilder like one for feisty, one for gusty etc? | 02:44 |
| dholbach | porthose: I think that's documented too on PbuilderHowto | 02:45 |
| TheMuso | porthose: Yes. There is a script in ubuntu-dev-tools to do this I think. | 02:45 |
| dholbach | yeah | 02:45 |
| TheMuso | pbuilder-dist | 02:45 |
| dholbach | huats: do you have the rules file up somewhere? | 02:45 |
| huats | paste.ubuntu.com/491/ | 02:45 |
| porthose | Thx | 02:45 |
| huats | sorryfor the delay (the file was on another compuer) | 02:46 |
| huats | I have put in purpose the find/rm twice | 02:46 |
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| TheMuso | huats: WHy did you put the find line twice? | 02:47 |
| huats | TheMuso: juste to shiw you where I have tried to use it | 02:47 |
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| huats | s/shiw/show/ | 02:47 |
| TheMuso | huats: Right | 02:47 |
| TheMuso | huats: Wht has worked, and what hasn't? | 02:47 |
| huats | nothing has worked... it builds correctly, but the .pyc are still there... | 02:48 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 02:48 |
| TheMuso | huats: Have you considered building the package step by step by hand, and attempting to determine which step creates the files? By steps I mean, fakeroot debian/rules clean, ./debian/rules build, fakeroot debian/rules install and fakeroot debian/rules binary | 02:49 |
| huats | TheMuso: no but I'll be very interested in doing it... | 02:49 |
| TheMuso | I personally have found this very helpful, especially recently, in finding problems. | 02:49 |
| huats | TheMuso: how can I do that ? | 02:50 |
| huats | TheMuso: after a pbuilder login or not ? | 02:51 |
| TheMuso | huats: You need to make sure you have all the package's build-dependencies installed, and run the above commands manually. | 02:51 |
| TheMuso | huats: If you can login to a pbuilder, and get the package into the chroot, thats great, but things like this need a general purpose chroot handy. | 02:51 |
| TheMuso | i.e not specifically for pbuilder use. | 02:52 |
| huats | TheMuso: ok so I chroot to my pbuilder env | 02:52 |
| huats | TheMuso: and the I can build it step by step... | 02:52 |
| TheMuso | huats: Yes. | 02:53 |
| norsetto | dholbach: you may want to look at my changes some time today: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Mentoring/Contributor | 02:53 |
| dholbach | norsetto: will do | 02:53 |
| dholbach | I found the problem | 02:54 |
| dholbach | install: build | 02:54 |
| dholbach | dh_testdir | 02:54 |
| dholbach | dh_testroot | 02:54 |
| dholbach | dh_clean -k | 02:54 |
| dholbach | dh_installdirs | 02:54 |
| dholbach | $(MAKE) install prefix=$(CURDIR)/debian/rubber/usr | 02:54 |
| dholbach | find $(CURDIR) -name '*.pyc' -exec rm {} \; | 02:54 |
| dholbach | # Build architecture-independent files here. | 02:54 |
| dholbach | this will make it work | 02:54 |
| dholbach | you have to put *.pyc into '' | 02:54 |
| huats | dholbach: I know | 02:54 |
| huats | dholbach: :-) | 02:54 |
| TheMuso | find is funny like that at times. | 02:54 |
| dholbach | else the shell will expand it to the first thing it finds | 02:54 |
| dholbach | ok great :) | 02:55 |
| dholbach | another bug solved | 02:55 |
| huats | dholbach: oh | 02:55 |
| dholbach | huats: let me know when you put up the debdiff for the fix :-) | 02:55 |
| huats | dholbach: I had misread your sentence | 02:55 |
| huats | dholbach: ok | 02:55 |
| huats | dholbach: sorry for bothering... | 02:55 |
| dholbach | huats: does it make sense? | 02:55 |
| dholbach | huats: no, you're not bothering at all | 02:55 |
| dholbach | huats: what do you think how many times I made that particular mistake | 02:56 |
| TheMuso | huats: This is what we are here for. | 02:56 |
| huats | dholbach: yes... you use the same command at the same place, but with the correct syntax... | 02:56 |
| dholbach | it's a mistake that's easy to make | 02:56 |
| TheMuso | dholbach: Often not quoting the name parameter stuff works. | 02:56 |
| dholbach | in debian/rules you often mix shell code with Makefile code | 02:56 |
| dholbach | it's easy to be wrong there | 02:56 |
| TheMuso | As I said, find can be an unusual beast. | 02:56 |
| dholbach | yes | 02:57 |
| dholbach | any other bugs you want to talk about? if not I have one | 02:57 |
| === TheMuso will be heading off to bed soon, so won't be round much longer. | ||
| dholbach | I talked about 'unmetdeps' bugs before; package that are not installable because their dependencies cannot be resolved | 02:57 |
| dholbach | I'll make this the last one then | 02:57 |
| dholbach | we should have another session next week :) | 02:58 |
| === norsetto keeps TheMuso awake by hammering him on the head every 30 sec | ||
| dholbach | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wammu/+bug/145538 is one of the list I mentioned earlier | 02:58 |
| dholbach | norsetto: you're so mean | 02:58 |
| TheMuso | norsetto: DO you want me to fix bugs, or not? :) | 02:58 |
| dholbach | can anybody find out what the problem is with this bug? | 02:58 |
| === norsetto keeps TheMuso awake by gently hammering him on the head every 30 sec | ||
| TheMuso | norsetto: DO you want me to fix bugs, or not? :) | 02:59 |
| TheMuso | To fix bugs, I need sleep at some point. | 02:59 |
| dholbach | if you look at the bug you will notice that it mentions amd64 - you can ignore that | 02:59 |
| === norsetto sings a lullaby to TheMuso | ||
| dholbach | this bug affects all architectures | 02:59 |
| === TheMuso listens to the lullaby, and then sings along with it, singing a harmony. | ||
| dholbach | so? anybody up for fixing the bug? :) | 03:00 |
| === norsetto notice all the cats are suddendly fleeing his house .... | ||
| dholbach | ok, maybe we can get this one fixed next time or you can look at it and let me know what you find :-) | 03:01 |
| norsetto | dholbach: give them time to donwload the source :-) | 03:01 |
| dholbach | you don't need to download the source if you're on gutsy | 03:02 |
| dholbach | just try to install it by running sudo apt-get install --dry-run wammu | 03:02 |
| TheMuso | dholbach: Often though, you do need to look atht e source package to get a good idea of why the unmet dep is the way it is. | 03:03 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: absolutely | 03:03 |
| === TheMuso makes the meeting the last task for tonight. | ||
| AstralJava | wammu: Depends: python-gammu (>= 0.21) but it is not going to be installed | 03:05 |
| dholbach | AstralJava: yep | 03:05 |
| norsetto | AstralJava: and why is that? | 03:05 |
| adam_b | dholbach: the dry run was happy to install (until I updated repositorys, then as AstralJava) | 03:05 |
| dholbach | why is this not possible to install? | 03:06 |
| AstralJava | Hang on, I'll get the source. :) | 03:06 |
| norsetto | AstralJava: no need yet ..... | 03:06 |
| adam_b | python-gammu is only 0.20-1 | 03:06 |
| dholbach | exactly | 03:06 |
| dholbach | so we need to get a newer version from Debian | 03:06 |
| AstralJava | Heh, didn't think of that. | 03:07 |
| dholbach | http://packages.debian.org/src:python-gammu | 03:07 |
| adam_b | dholbach: thats ok with freeze? | 03:07 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment#SyncingAndMerging is the process for that | 03:07 |
| dholbach | adam_b: it will have to get a FeatureFreeze exception | 03:08 |
| dholbach | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-1d28045481b8803d4815989e93edc4206f4848c4 | 03:08 |
| dholbach | but I'm sure it will get granted, because it fixes a serious bug | 03:08 |
| dholbach | does anybody of you want to work on that? | 03:08 |
| dholbach | and follow up with our findings on the bug report? | 03:08 |
| === AstralJava can volunteer if no one else wants to | ||
| dholbach | AstralJava: that's great | 03:09 |
| dholbach | AstralJava: be sure to let me know if it gets stuck somewhere | 03:09 |
| TheMuso | AstralJava: Great. Feel free to ask me any questions if you have any. | 03:10 |
| dholbach | so you see; sometimes being a MOTU is some kind of detective work | 03:10 |
| adam_b | what about testing if wammu really needs the new version of python-gammu? | 03:10 |
| dholbach | and it's important to follow up on bug reports with what you've found out | 03:10 |
| AstralJava | Sure thing, and dholbach, TheMuso is my sponsor so I'll see him first before bugging all the world. :) | 03:10 |
| AstralJava | Oh wait, no that's wrong. | 03:10 |
| AstralJava | Nevermind. | 03:10 |
| === AstralJava is still a bit buggered-up because of the flu | ||
| TheMuso | AstralJava: mentor. | 03:10 |
| AstralJava | Heh, yeah that too. :) | 03:11 |
| dholbach | adam_b: we inherited both versions from Debian (no Ubuntu changes), so the debian maintainer must have thought that it's necessary to have that new version | 03:11 |
| norsetto | adam_b: note as well the version of wammu | 03:11 |
| dholbach | adam_b: as it happens the debian maintainer is also the upstream author, so it's probably right what he's doing :-) | 03:11 |
| === porthose thinks this has been a good Q&A session :) | ||
| dholbach | adam_b: but you're right; sometimes version numbers are too strict and you can "bend" them to make packages installable again | 03:12 |
| dholbach | adam_b: in this case I think it's not applicable | 03:12 |
| dholbach | porthose: thanks a lot for that | 03:12 |
| dholbach | it's been great to have you all around | 03:12 |
| adam_b | ahh ok, and probably worth checking that the newer python_gammu dosnt need any other new things? | 03:12 |
| dholbach | and make sure you're on the ubuntu-motu-mentors list, then I'll announce the next session there | 03:12 |
| pleia2 | dholbach: quick policy question? | 03:12 |
| norsetto | everybody a good applause for dholbach! | 03:12 |
| dholbach | adam_b: exactly | 03:12 |
| TheMuso | Great to see the Q&A sessions are attracting peopl. | 03:12 |
| TheMuso | people | 03:12 |
| dholbach | pleia2: fire away | 03:12 |
| === norsetto applauds | ||
| dholbach | thanks a lot... applaud yourselves too - you all were great | 03:13 |
| dholbach | and I hope to see you all as MOTUs soon :-) | 03:13 |
| === porthose claps | ||
| === TheMuso seconds dholbach. | ||
| pleia2 | so I'm wondering what the opinion is about packaging in general because of my involvement with Ubuntu-Women, we've sort of been pushing women to contribute directly to Debian rather than Ubuntu since it'll benefit both distros | 03:13 |
| === huats claps | ||
| dholbach | pleia2: right... that's a valid point | 03:14 |
| pleia2 | so is this appropriate? | 03:14 |
| dholbach | pleia2: I can only speak for myself: I contribute to Ubuntu, because I use Ubuntu and test things on Ubuntu | 03:14 |
| pleia2 | I do tend to suggest they check out their package in Ubuntu too, see how it's doing and all, if it needs help | 03:14 |
| === pleia2 nods | ||
| dholbach | pleia2: but I have close contact to debian developers, so I let them know about things I do | 03:14 |
| AstralJava | Thank you norsetto, dholbach, TheMuso and all others for having us here. :) Great job. | 03:15 |
| Hobbsee | pleia2! | 03:15 |
| pleia2 | hey Hobbsee :) | 03:15 |
| dholbach | or another example: if I package a new software, I follow up on a debian RFP (request for package) or ITP (intent to package) bug to let them know, that I've already done the work in UBuntu, so they can benefit from that | 03:15 |
| pleia2 | dholbach: good to know, thanks | 03:15 |
| dholbach | pleia2: so my answer would be something like: to contribute to Debian (and make other people benefit from our work too) you don't have to be a debian developer | 03:16 |
| dholbach | as long as you're easy to work with and maintain good channels of communication | 03:16 |
| dholbach | I hope that makes sense | 03:16 |
| pleia2 | well the RFP and ITP bug notification if you package in ubuntu is a great idea | 03:17 |
| Hobbsee | of course, it helps that there are DD's around that you can persuade to upload your package to debian too | 03:17 |
| pleia2 | I come from Debian, so that's why my dev work is over there, and it's neat to see my packages end up in Ubuntu too ;) | 03:17 |
| TheMuso | Well folks, I must be off. Hope to see all you hopefuls around ni the community, asking questions, and fixing bugs/updating packages. | 03:18 |
| === norsetto notices the use of thw word "persuade" | ||
| TheMuso | s/ni/in/ | 03:18 |
| dholbach | I'm off for lunch now | 03:18 |
| pleia2 | enjoy, thanks! | 03:18 |
| dholbach | I'll let you all know on ubuntu-motu-mentors about the next session | 03:18 |
| norsetto | TheMuso: thanks for sticking with us so late :-) | 03:18 |
| dholbach | thanks a lot to all of you again! | 03:18 |
| TheMuso | norsetto: This is my normal time for staying up anyway. | 03:19 |
| huats | TheMuso: finally the hammer thing will stop :-) | 03:19 |
| AstralJava | Thanks again. | 03:19 |
| TheMuso | huats: heh. | 03:19 |
| huats | thanks all once again.... | 03:19 |
| porthose | Thanks to all | 03:19 |
| huats | dholbach: will you put the log of this meeting somewhere ? | 03:19 |
| huats | well daniel or someone else :-) | 03:20 |
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| dholbach | huats: http://daniel.holba,ch/temp/motu-qa.log | 03:22 |
| dholbach | it'd be nice if somebody could put this into some better place | 03:23 |
| dholbach | maybe on the wiki somewhere | 03:23 |
| huats | dholbach: ok thanks | 03:25 |
| dholbach | de rien | 03:25 |
| huats | dholbach: :-) | 03:25 |
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| norsetto | dholbach: perhaps in the MOTU/School section | 03:25 |
| === dholbach -> lunch | ||
| huats | dholbach: I have provided the debdiff to correct the rubber pb... | 03:25 |
| dholbach | huats: great, will take look later | 03:26 |
| huats | dholbach: of course... and "bon apptit" | 03:26 |
| dholbach | merci | 03:27 |
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