[12:33] terlmann: So, file a bug against an appropriate SDL lib then, particularly if you can reproduce it with more than just sauerbraten. [12:33] That's just it [12:33] it only happens in sauer [12:33] file a bug against sauer [12:33] and let someone reassign when they know what to file against [12:33] And I do not know the lib mano. Just wanted to share an interesting(IMHO) bug [12:33] that got here from debian [12:34] and upstream [12:34] terlmann: You will, however, notice that the very first thing in all this advice is "file a bug". 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[04:34] but umm... I am guessing that's not intended functionality [04:36] in 2.12? === dobey guesses someone broke stuff in an attempt to make it use less memory or something, and so it hits the disk a LOT more [04:36] which is bad === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:37] ell [04:37] well [04:37] using 1Gb of ram is bad too [04:38] There is an issue whereby with Google Desktop search indexing active it'll slow Evolution to a crawl when you're navigating mail folders, due to disk activity too [04:38] in Gutsy [04:38] lifeless: Can't evolution assume that the kernel can deal with memory allocation? [04:38] RAOF: no [04:38] evo didn't use 1GB of ram for the message list [04:39] leaking is one thing. breaking cache and killing your hard disk, is another [04:39] dobey: I'm sorry, you're right, its only using 407m at the moment [04:39] dobey: for the message list === frostburn [n=archlich@cpe-74-74-219-225.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:39] for only the message list? [04:39] i doubt it [04:39] dobey: no windows open [04:40] you have no evolution windows open? [04:40] and evolution is running? [04:40] only the message list window [04:40] that doesn't mean the message list is all that's eaten the ram [04:40] and is that RSS or VIRT? [04:41] virt; rss is 262 [04:41] xorg and firefox are eating the rest [04:41] icon theme caches cause VIRT to be fairly high in gnome apps [04:41] RSS is what matters [04:41] fair enough [04:42] I've seen the rss significantly igher [04:42] and i think federico has been working on how to make the icon theme caching not cause VIRT to be so big [04:42] yes [04:42] but how long has evo been open? do you keep it open to auto-poll an imap server? [04:42] a few days [04:42] normally it would be open for a few weeks [04:43] right [04:43] and you use evo with imap presumably, with auto-check enabled? [04:43] yes, via ssh === dendrobates is now known as dendro-away [04:43] there are probably some fairly large leaks in that bit of the code [04:44] I would hope so, because that offers the chance to fix things [04:45] RAOF: the kernel is reasonably good at pushing unused pages out to disk === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:45] i would certainly look toward that code for leaks [04:45] lifeless: I suppose that if evo is actually using those pages it's a problem. [04:45] RAOF: but you pay a performance price twice-over to do this; if its not a static page (such as a library), then it has to be created, populated, and hang around long enough to get paged [04:45] anyway, pub calls [04:46] dobey: enjoy [04:46] later [04:46] RAOF: this page has just pushed something else out; either a cache page has been removed, causing disk IO to read it later, or another dirty page has been written and reused [04:48] RAOF: secondly, if its not a really unneeded page then it will have to be paged back in [04:48] lifeless: Right. [04:48] *much* better to not use the page in the first place [04:48] disk io is slow :) [04:48] I find it hard to believe, though, that scrolling up and down between 2 e-mails is enough to break cache on a 1GB RAM system [04:48] jdong: blktrace is your friend [04:48] lol I'll investigate when it bugs me more :) [04:49] right now, I like the scrolly sound effect [04:49] it reminds me of MS Word 97 :D === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-170-245.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === JonCruz [n=joncruz@adsl-75-51-189-55.dsl.lsan03.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holymoo [n=start@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === holycow [n=start@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phoenixx [n=phoenix@144022.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phoenixx is now known as jweyrich === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D814E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.10.123.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Gutsy Beta released! | main will thaw tomorrow === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by pitti at Thu Sep 27 14:53:59 2007 === #ubuntu-devel [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup [09:32] Congratulations on the addition of the Linspire developers, Randy Linnell and Brian Thomason. === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A67C68.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@19-112.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] cjwatson_, slangasek: since we had no "OMGdeadkittens" feedback on the beta so far, I'd really like to thaw gutsy now. WDYT? [10:11] unapproved piles up and is starting to become a nuisance for further development and bug fixing [10:11] pitti: OMG dead kittens. Or something. :-P [10:11] pitti: If you thaw gutsy, does unapproved empty itself? === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:11] StevenK: no, that needs to be done manually [10:12] StevenK: if you want, we could combine this with a quick tutorial to operate the queue tool [10:12] pitti: Just finishing off gimp, by the way [10:12] morning [10:12] hey pitti StevenK [10:12] seb128: ^ [10:12] StevenK: (unless you are heading to bed soon, of course; you certainly deserve it :) ) [10:12] hey seb128 [10:12] StevenK: cool [10:12] StevenK: erm, ignore me; that was meant for slangasek [10:12] StevenK: cool [10:12] pitti: Yeah, I was wondering. :-) [10:13] pitti: ah, if the stuff in unapproved stays where it is, that sounds good to me [10:13] StevenK: not enough tea, or something [10:13] pitti: :-) [10:13] I'd recommend emptying unapproved so we don't hold up development more; accepting stuff from unapproved is just like doing NEW [10:13] slangasek: well, we should flush it after gutsy thaws, but you could do one or two approvals manually just to see how it works [10:13] is usb disk detection on boot known issue? [10:13] (c.f. 145326, a UVFe request that's already been uploaded to unapproved... :) [10:14] pitti: have him do -proposed or something instead? [10:14] Mithrandir: well, five more minutes for one package certainly doesn't hurt [10:14] since that's less time sensitive [10:14] Okay, it passes the first test, it actually runs === Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:14] pitti: oh, if you're doing it now, that's fine, I was thinking if stuff's still locked up until Monday then it starts to hurt. [10:15] pitti: in any case, yes, let's get gutsy thawed and then settle unapproved one way or another [10:15] oh, noes [10:15] slangasek: ok, can we do it right now? === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-213-76.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:16] pitti: yes please [10:17] I asked IS for thawing === Spads [n=spacehob@80.187.145.92] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@p54976B32.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:29] sladen: ping [10:29] mjg59: possibly ping as well === mbiebl [n=michael@e180069186.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] hey Hobbsee === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] hiya seb128! === torstehu [i=torstehu@tvilling2.pvv.ntnu.no] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:35] could a buildd admin give back dasher package on amd64? thank you. [10:36] DktrKranz: dholbach already asked for that two hours ago; if it failed again, it's a real problem and I won't give it back [10:36] please, forget about it....fixed [10:36] ah :) [10:36] pitti, sorry for the confusion === ..[topic/#ubuntu-devel:pitti] : Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Gutsy Beta released! === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F7438E.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:41] delta: gutsy thawed, go wild! [10:42] yay! [10:46] Hobbsee: do you want to have a look at bug #141628 ? I attached the patch against the kde screensaver that I posed yesterday [10:46] Launchpad bug 141628 in compiz "Compiz w/ kde screensaver blanks 1/4 screen" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141628 [10:48] mvo: what's that patch against? [10:48] Hobbsee: oh, sorry. kdescreensaver [10:48] mvo: oh, kdebase. [10:48] /storage/devel/kde3.5.7/kdebase/kdebase-3.5.7/kdesktop/lock/lockprocess.cc [10:48] mvo: can do. [10:49] Hobbsee: rock, thanks === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo hugs Hobbsee === rulus [n=rulus_|@d54C1A033.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee hugs mvo === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-23.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@242-23.dial.nortenet.pt] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Saindo"] === Hobbsee notes that there's something really useful about having the main kde components sources on her hard drive. [10:58] mvo: got any more patches for me? [11:03] Hobbsee: not currently [11:03] mvo: OK === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:10] is there a format for those closes bug foo lines in changelogs i should be following? [11:10] pwnguin: Yes [11:10] LP: #foo [11:11] vi with syntax highlighting will show you if you got it wrong [11:11] i should probably set editor away from nano then [11:12] nano sucks. yes, you would. [11:12] er, should [11:12] welcome to the world of *real* text editors. [11:13] nano's quite fine for small changes [11:13] pwnguin: Google for "pretty emacs" [11:13] better than vi :P [11:13] heh [11:13] i dont need special fonts [11:13] plain emacs is good enough for me [11:13] pwnguin: Yes. You do. [11:13] lies [11:13] pwnguin: You may not know it, but you desperately want XFont rendered emacs. [11:14] i just want emacs without a splash [11:14] RAOF: xfont rendered emacs? [11:14] RAOF: is there anything that i'm relaly missing by not using emacs, though? [11:14] carpal tunnel [11:14] pwnguin: whether you choose vi or emacs, it's still better than vi. [11:14] Hobbsee: emacs-snapshot, but with actual font rendering, rather than ugly ass stuff. [11:14] er, nano [11:14] Hobbsee: yes [11:14] everything is better than vi [11:14] RAOF: ah, right === pwnguin had a bad experience with MINIX vi === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] RAOF: you must realize, i use monospace for irc [11:16] pwnguin: So what? I use monospace for everything in emacs. It *still* looks amazingly better with actual font antialiasing, subpixel rendering, et al [11:16] at any rate [11:16] if its not a package i'll wait [11:17] pwnguin: It is a package on a PPA. === gicmo [n=gicmo@91.64.103.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:17] pwnguin: That's on my "Absolutely must be pushed into Hardy" pile. [11:18] RAOF: so i encountered a mysterious xset bug. it seems nvidia wont let me turn off the backlight with dpms, but nv will [11:18] pwnguin: That's awesome. [11:18] nv ftw [11:18] *nouveau* FTW [11:18] its possible im missing some xorg.conf setting in their massive pile of README === RAOF needs to unbreak his packages. === pwnguin needs to get rotate 180 into nv [11:19] pwnguin: NvEnableDPMSNoReally [11:19] heh [11:20] ok [11:20] billard-gl has two original maintainer entries [11:21] one of which is MOTU [11:21] is this expected behavior? [11:21] yes - maintainer and original maintainer [11:22] no no [11:22] XSBC original maintainer [11:22] two entries [11:22] and then maintainer [11:22] which is also motu [11:22] what does the OM field say? [11:23] Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers [11:23] XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers [11:23] XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Thierry Reding [11:23] did you use an update-maintainer script there? [11:23] thats straight from the archive [11:23] you can delete the middle line there [11:23] pwnguin: Someone ran "update-maintainer" on it while it was already done. [11:23] soren: it shouldnt add twice, unless the script is wrong [11:24] Hobbsee: Quite. [11:24] ok. well, im fixing another bug in that package, so i guess i'll take care of that while im there === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:26] RAOF: whats with emacs highlighting changelogs? === Spads [n=spacehob@80.187.145.92] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:27] whats more hilarious about that is the changelog for the previous version: [11:27] * debian/control: Update maintainer fields according to debian- maintainer-field spec [11:27] and thats it === slytherin [n=Salazar@pdpc/supporter/base/slytherin] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] pwnguin: who was the uploader? [11:28] heh [11:28] well, the person in the changelog? [11:28] martin pitt [11:28] pwnguin: ah - that's an automated script. [11:29] i wonder why it thought that Ubuntu MOTU Developers was not right === norsetto [n=Cesare@host15-209-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:34] hello Hobbsee, could you please upload a svn snapshot of kde-guidance? I updated the MonitorsDB in the kde3 branch. [11:34] Hobbsee: so the changelog entry would be: * Update monitor definitions - fixes LP: #113520 #113514 === cjwatson_ is now known as cjwatson [11:37] glatzor: I can do that [11:37] Riddell: thanks a lot. [11:41] seb128: did you see my message about the ubuntulooks AMD64 crasher (with a workaround patch)? [11:42] jamesh: yes, it's on my list of "unread bug mails" (ie, things I've to look at) [11:42] okay, cool. [11:42] I've been running with it for most of the week with no ill effects or badly drawn progress bars :) [11:43] jamesh: ok, good to know, thanks ;) === osc [n=osc@59.95.19.204] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:46] jamesh: I just read your comment on the totem bug [11:48] okay [11:48] jamesh: we used to build the package without xrandr, maybe we should do that again? [11:48] I thought we were still doing that bug looking at the build log it doesn't look like [11:49] seb128: the Gnome bug sounds like they're using Xrandr 1.0 functions -- perhaps they behave subtly different with an Xrandr 1.2 capable server [11:49] ? [11:49] not sure [11:49] bugzilla doesn't want to reply at the moment [11:49] so I've not read the upstream bug yet [11:50] but previous cycle we built the package without xrandr because the resolution change was really confusing users === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable045.37-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Martinp23 [n=martinp2@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] seb128, thanks for f-spot and bluez-gnome fixes! [11:54] TomaszD_: you are welcome [11:56] seb128, when it comes to g-c-c, there is this improved desktop effects panel, but rosetta doesn't seem to include the updated template (it has the strings for the previous simplistic no effects/normal/extra switcher). [11:57] is this something to be concerned about? [11:57] or should I ask carlos [11:57] TomaszD_: ask carlos, looks like rosetta is busy, it might still be importing things [11:57] seb128: about the gst bluetooth crasher, Marcel committed something to CVS today which is said to fix it. [11:58] seb128, alright [11:58] seb128: I'm going to talk with him about whether he'd prefer us to ship the gstreamer plugin or not. [11:58] TomaszD_: g-c-c is being imported right now [11:58] carlos, right on, thanks [11:58] Mithrandir: we have a pretty easy testcase, "touch example.mp3 && totem example.mp3" [11:59] so expect to have the new strings in next hour or so (maybe earlier) [11:59] seb128: indeed. [11:59] carlos, btw my gnome-app-install import took 9 days and 8hrs :( [11:59] seb128: I'm more thinking about general quality concerns. [11:59] oh well, at least it went through [12:00] TomaszD_: I know, I already implemented a patch that will improve the import performance a bit, it's in our QA process [12:00] Mithrandir: otherwise an option to make everybody happy is to binary split the gst plugin (which makes sense to do anyway) and not seed it so it's not creating issue on the default installation [12:00] :] [12:00] TomaszD_: at least, we are again catching up and reducing import time that grow again to 9 days ... [12:01] cool. [12:02] TomaszD_: danilo found another way to improve import performance, but that will take a bit more time to be deployed because we cannot do big changes so close to gutsy release [12:03] carlos, tell me, when the language pack update finally reaches the archive, is the rosetta snaphot included in it up-to-date or is it being generated for such a long time that it takes a few days, thus when langpack reaches the users it is not actually very up-to-date [12:03] ? [12:03] TomaszD_: the lang pack export is already exported from Launchpad [12:03] TomaszD_: pitti is preparing the .deb package already and should be ready today [12:04] TomaszD_: it has data from Tuesday-Wednesday [12:04] ah [12:04] ok [12:04] and sunday, we will do an update with all changes since Tuesday-Wednesday [12:04] at least that's the plan [12:04] and this would be one of the last updates right? [12:04] will there be more on the road to final gutsy? [12:05] every Sunday and Wednesday we should provide updates until final release when we will do another full export [12:05] cool, that's what I needed to know [12:05] thanks [12:06] pitti: just to be sure, that's the plan, right? === asisak [n=coNP@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] yo [12:23] there is a bug that has been with ubuntu for a few years that has never been fixed [12:23] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/34902 [12:23] Launchpad bug 34902 in ubuntu "Ralink Wireless legacy drivers (rt2500 rt61 rt73 rt2570) USB/PCMCIA/PCI hangs PC" [High,Confirmed] [12:24] Gutsy beta didnt fix this issue [12:24] the ralink drivers/rt73 dont work at all [12:24] why even have the driver [12:24] same as bcm43xx [12:24] you should just remove the driver because it doesnt work [12:24] and say "ubuntu doesnt support ralink" [12:25] ralink=thousands, maybe millions of people [12:25] I've seen some ralinks working fine - perhaps they changed the chipset at some point? [12:25] seb128, I'm afraid I have other intltool-related problems, neither nautilus nor nautilus-sendto build-depend on intltool, the templates aren't being updated [12:26] yea, that is why we should keep the driver updated [12:26] http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/linville/wireless-dev.git;a=shortlog;h=rt2x00 [12:26] this is rather serious :] [12:26] Ubuntu is using a old driver [12:26] very old [12:27] and I have a old card [12:27] I was wondering why do I have "Home folder" instead of Folder domowy, now I know why [12:27] seb128, pitti: Isn't there a way to add intltool build dependency to any package using the gnome rule that uses intltool? [12:27] if I build my own driver im fine [12:28] the problem is with the USB id's [12:28] a hardware/driver conflict [12:28] the new driver needs to be pushed through with ubuntu gutsy final [12:30] seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/146244 [12:30] Launchpad bug 146244 in nautilus "Nautilus doesn't update the translation template, should build-depend on intltool" [Undecided,Confirmed] [12:30] the old drivers=flawed [12:30] defcon_: we get your point, you can stop repeating it at length now, thanks :) [12:30] defcon_: you need to talk to the kernel team, not #ubuntu-devel. I've reassigned the bug to a more appropriate package [12:31] cjwatson, thankyou === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.241.211] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:31] seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus-sendto/+bug/146247 [12:31] Launchpad bug 146247 in nautilus-sendto "nautilus-sendto should build-depend on intltool, doesn't update translation template [gutsy] " [Undecided,Confirmed] === jamiemcc [n=jamie@82-32-8-26.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] carlos: no, there isn't; auomatically changing debian/control during build is EBW === osc [n=osc@59.95.19.204] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] TomaszD, carlos: plan> right [12:42] ebw? [12:43] evil, bad and wrong [12:43] 'evil, bad and wrong' [12:43] lol [12:43] :] [12:43] pitti: I was thinking more on an indirect dependency, but I guess that means that packages not using the gnome rule would get such dependency too, which is not correct... [12:43] carlos: right, if there's a package common to all of those [12:43] I assume there was some sort of an infrastructure change, because there wouldn't be so many intltool buil-depend related problems otherwise === TomaszD looks at his feet in awkward silence [12:51] dholbach: ping === ion_ looks at tomaszds feet === lucky_lucas [n=lucas@42.79.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] TomaszD: maybe it was dropped from a fairly common gnome build dep, I don't kno9w === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEEC64.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] slytherin: pong [01:00] carlos: no [01:01] dholbach: I will be back in 5 minutes, drafting mail about theora. [01:01] TomaszD: please look for bugs before sending duplicates, the nautilus issue is known and Fix Commited [01:01] Hobbsee: Hi [01:01] pitti: we could make cdbs Depends on intltool [01:01] slytherin: how can I help you with that? [01:02] seb128: good idea - I think that'd drop quite some diff (Build-Depends + stuff in debian/rules) [01:03] dholbach: I have created packages by syncing to debian version. Unfortunately I am unable to upload it to my PPA due to the version I chose for previous packages I had created on my own. I hoped that you could help me with hosting the packages. :-D [01:03] slytherin: why can't you use PPA? [01:04] glatzor: new guidance uploaded [01:05] seb128: I thought about this, and I don't think it's too evil [01:05] seb128: after all, it ships langpacks.mk which needs it [01:05] dholbach: The version I used for previous packages which I created on my own supersedes the version from debian. 1.0.beta1.dfsg-0ubuntu1 (mine) vs libtheora_1.0~beta1-1ubuntu1 (created from the package in debian). :-( [01:06] seb128, sorry I was looking, but didn't find it [01:06] slytherin: ask in #launchpad to get that version removed and use 1.0~beta1-1ubuntu1~ppa1 for the next upload [01:07] dholbach: Can I have all the necessary files hosted somewhere else just for the sake of discussion? [01:08] slytherin: sure, if you don't want to wait on the LP folks helping you, just upload them somewhere === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:09] dholbach: I want to initiate discussion today before I leave for home. :-) === Skiessi [n=qwe@dsl-roibrasgw1-ff90c100-219.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira [n=adilson@201.22.83.196.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:11] PPA is not a requirement for discussions === Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:16] mjg59: your'e the usual uploader of hotkey-setup - have you seen https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hotkey-setup/+bug/140967 ? [01:16] Launchpad bug 140967 in hotkey-setup "package hotkey-setup 0.1-17ubuntu19 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:16] mjg59: looks like a few people are getting it, and it appears to be breaking upgrades === glatzor_ [n=renate@p57AEEC64.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] TomaszD: that's alright [01:20] dholbach: sent message to ubuntu-devel-discuss list. [01:20] mvo: one guy very happy with the upgrade manager, and the smooth upgrade, btw [01:20] mvo: thought you might like to know === jinty [n=jinty@dslb-088-073-067-131.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.241.211] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] Hobbsee: I honestly can't see why that would suddenly trigger now, but I'll look into it [01:24] mjg59: great, thanks :) [01:25] Hobbsee: yeah, I'm very happy about this. I usually get the bad upgrade reports as bugs, so every one that worked fine warms my heart :) [01:25] TomaszD: also please don't assign bug to me, it's up to me to decide what I want to work on or not, subscribe is enough to let me know about a bug [01:26] no need to subscribe, seb128 reads all the bug mails anyway :P [01:26] seb128, alright. [01:26] dholbach: that will not allow to drop debian/rules changes, Depends are not magical ;) === seb128 hugs mvo === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.241.211] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:26] mvo: :D [01:26] mvo, I figured ;] [01:27] seb128: but we could add magic somewhere :) [01:27] <\sh> pitti, keescook : Are you working on the off-by-one buffer-overflow fix in openssl ? if not, I push a debdiff to LP [01:27] dholbach: we already did, gnome.mk call the langpack.mk [01:28] seb128: maybe debhelper.mk should include it ;-) [01:28] dholbach: but for debian/rules done the hard way there is not a lot we can do magically [01:28] dholbach: we already cover the cdbs cases [01:28] right [01:28] dholbach: kde and xfce also include it [01:28] \sh: I'm not, no idea about kees [01:28] \sh: thank you [01:29] dholbach: the Build-Depends is the common issue, there is very few packages that we patch to call intltool-update [01:29] <\sh> pitti, ok...I'm pushing a debdiff with the inline fix (just a few lines in ssl/ssl_lib.c) checking dapper to feisty too [01:29] and those should ideally be converted to cdbs ;) [01:29] yeah [01:30] seb128: that reminds me of "if somebody CDBSes one of my packages there will an error in the archive" [01:30] "accident", I believe [01:30] yeah, makes sense :) [01:30] dholbach: NO IDEA who could have said that :-P === norsetto_ [n=Cesare@host49-197-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] "ideally" [01:30] seb128++, though === seb128 hugs dholbach pitti === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.255.208] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@wall2.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === liw [n=liw@a91-154-119-10.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:47] MOTU Q&A session in #ubuntu-classroom in 12 minutes === edson [n=edson@unaffiliated/edson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kopfgeldjaeger [n=nicolai@p54AD5A62.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:00] hi === pedro [n=pedro@pc-32-217-44-190.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira is now known as agoliveira_BRB === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dendro-away is now known as dendrobates === Rospo_Zoppo [n=Mario_Bo@d83-184-99-30.cust.tele2.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira_BRB is now known as agoliveira === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:26] carlos: the nautilus-sendto build log mention that the template is updated correctly, could you look if there is an isse on the rosetta side? ThomaszD opened bug #146247 about it [02:26] Launchpad bug 146247 in nautilus-sendto "nautilus-sendto should build-depend on intltool, doesn't update translation template [gutsy] " [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146247 === mbiebl [n=michael@e180069186.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] <\sh> pitti: please review bug 146269 [02:29] Launchpad bug 146269 in openssl "[openssl security] OpenSSL SSL_get_shared_ciphers() off-by-one buffer overflow" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146269 [02:29] keescook: ^ forwarding to you [02:30] jdstrand: ^ or you === Rospo_Zoppo [n=Mario_Bo@d83-184-99-30.cust.tele2.it] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:30] pitti: thanks === edson [n=edson@unaffiliated/edson] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chand [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@80.187.145.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:38] <\sh> jdstrand, stop..found a mistake...in my patch...give me a sec [02:38] \sh: np === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.118.3.7] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:41] <\sh> jdstrand, fixed debdiff attached [02:41] \sh: thanks! [02:43] <\sh> jdstrand, do you want separate bug reports for dapper up to feisty? or should I attach the dapper/edgy/feisty debdiffs to this bug too? [02:43] \sh: at most, separate tasks; there should not be differnet bug reports [02:43] \sh to that one bug report would be easiest I think === sabdfl [i=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:44] hey sabdfl === pochu [n=emilio@162.Red-88-3-52.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:44] Mithrandir: will you do a bluez-utils upload with this cvs patch today? We get several duplicates a day and that would be nice to fix that before the weekend ;) === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [02:45] seb128: sure, let me check it [02:46] carlos: thanks === highvoltage is now known as highvoltiige === freeflyi1g [n=freeflyi@123.116.101.20] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:48] seb128: there is already a template waiting to be imported. Did it change any string recently that was added with that last upload? [02:49] carlos: no [02:49] carlos: I've asked details on the bug, thanks for looking [02:50] seb128: confirmed, the .pot file we got was generated with the build so it should be up to date [02:50] seb128: ok === jykiv [i=Tervuv@modemcable144.186-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:51] http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/sec [02:51] -jykiv:#ubuntu-devel- http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/sec === requested unknown ctcp URL http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/sec from #ubuntu-devel [02:51] carlos: thanks === jykiv [i=Tervuv@modemcable144.186-201-24.mc.videotron.ca] has left #ubuntu-devel ["] [02:52] seb128: sure [02:52] Mithrandir: thanks === asisak [i=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:06] Riddell, pitti: I would appreciate some input from you about this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/146289 [03:06] Launchpad bug 146289 in kde-i18n "Translations for non main packages are discarded" [Undecided,New] [03:07] will look in a bit [03:07] pitti: ok, thanks === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asisak [i=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-devel === DktrKranz [n=Luca@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:12] hum [03:12] canonical network issues? [03:12] no, it's good again === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] howdy pitti et al [03:15] hey sabdfl === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === andrunko [n=andrunko@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:20] seb128: fix confirmed and uploaded. [03:20] hi sabdfl, Mithrandir [03:20] Mithrandir: you rock ;) === seb128 hugs Mithrandir === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+b *!*@modemcable144.186-201-24.mc.videotron.ca!#ubuntu-ops] by Hobbsee === mode/#ubuntu-devel [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ === cjwatson eyes unionfs === Hobbsee eyes cjwatson [03:20] apparently it creates COW entries if you open a file O_RDWR even if you close it without making any changes [03:21] as it happens, modprobe does exactly this (it opens it read/write so that it can set a write lock) [03:21] bye-bye 3MB+ of memory [03:21] yikes === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dobey [n=dobey@ip68-229-101-154.hr.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Karajan [n=Sea@60.20.54.11] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@3e44adce.adsl.enternet.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=cr3@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mathiaz [n=mathiaz@ubuntu/member/mathiaz] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:53] Riddell: which package contains the network-configuration for kde? 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