| proppy | crimsun: nice one | 12:38 |
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| proppy | crimsun: thanks a lot | 12:38 |
| proppy | crimsun: that was exactly what I was looking for | 12:38 |
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| blueyed | crimsun: build-deps are satisfied in this case. It's not the same bug.. (I've just built the new packages before). apt-get build-dep should not upgrade any pending packages, should it? | 12:39 |
| proppy | I forgot to include dhelper.ml | 12:41 |
| proppy | mk | 12:41 |
| proppy | thanks a lot | 12:41 |
| crimsun | blueyed: yes, it should. | 12:45 |
| blueyed | why? | 12:46 |
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| blueyed | Night, norsetto. | 12:47 |
| crimsun | blueyed: it does what's necessary to satisfy having the build-dependencies present. | 12:47 |
| blueyed | but, postfix does not depend on apache at all. Also the dependencies would be fulfilled then with the currently installed packages. | 12:48 |
| blueyed | the new version is just "$VERSION+aptbuild". | 12:48 |
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| blueyed | crimsun: do you still consider this a non-bug? | 12:58 |
| crimsun | blueyed: no, I don't | 12:59 |
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| blueyed | crimsun: hmm. that appears to happen on Feisty only. I cannot confirm it on my Gutsy system.. | 01:27 |
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| jalvesaq | hi | 02:39 |
| jalvesaq | I'm following the instructions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU, and uploaded two packages to revu, but I don't know what to do now. | 02:41 |
| jalvesaq | Can anyone help me? | 02:42 |
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| minghua | jalvesaq: Not much to do next, basically just wait until someone reviews you packages. | 02:46 |
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| jalvesaq | minghua: Thanks for the answer! One package is interesting only for Brazilian people. Is there any way of making Brazilian Motus knowing about the package? | 02:49 |
| minghua | jalvesaq: Not sure. You can always send them private emails if you know who they are. | 02:51 |
| jalvesaq | I don't know them. So, I'll just wait. Thanks again. Theses were my questions, so, good by! | 02:53 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:14 |
| RAOF | hey bddebian | 03:14 |
| bddebian | Hello RAOF | 03:15 |
| RAOF | Stupid frikkin nvidia screenflashing with opengl crap mutter mutter grumble... | 03:15 |
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| Amaranth | RAOF: wow, the iwl3945 driver causes a lot less wakeups | 03:38 |
| slavi1 | who would be the proper party to notify regarding package dependency breakage in gutsy? | 03:38 |
| Amaranth | (i finally got it working) | 03:38 |
| pwnguin | maybe not so much | 03:40 |
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| imbrandon | hrm | 03:43 |
| ajmitch | yes? | 03:49 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: just getting fed up with licenses, considering using *bsd, was just looking at Debian GNU/kFreeBSD | 03:53 |
| imbrandon | tis all | 03:53 |
| ajmitch | I see | 03:53 |
| imbrandon | but that still is the gnu toolchain | 03:53 |
| ajmitch | and you want to avoid anything GNU now | 03:53 |
| imbrandon | bah, probably just the mood i'm in after some blog posts etc | 03:53 |
| bddebian | imbrandon: Debian GNU/Hurd baby :-) | 03:53 |
| bddebian | Oh, NM :-) | 03:53 |
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| imbrandon | heh | 03:54 |
| bddebian | There's always Windows :-) | 03:54 |
| imbrandon | LOL | 03:54 |
| ajmitch | from the sound of things, that's what he wants, except free in $ | 03:55 |
| imbrandon | well honestly here is my delima ( and has been for a while but its been bugging me more this release cycle ) I absolutely hate GPLv3 and and some other licenses etc but i love the tools Debian offers | 03:55 |
| imbrandon | but BSD is almost as bad because it can just be stolen | 03:55 |
| imbrandon | heh | 03:55 |
| ajmitch | and why do you absolutely hate gplv3? | 03:56 |
| bddebian | Plan9? :) | 03:56 |
| imbrandon | actualy i just am agrovated at the invaraint thang in gdfl and gplv3 | 03:56 |
| bddebian | Minix? | 03:56 |
| imbrandon | ajmitch: mostly because of things that RMS tried to free us from like tvoization etc i think is un needed burdens | 03:57 |
| minghua | If you don't like the GNU toolchain in Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, why not just use the real FreeBSD? | 03:57 |
| minghua | Is there a invariant section in GPLv3? | 03:58 |
| imbrandon | minghua: well thats the thing its not that i dont like GNU infact i LOVE Debian/Ubuntu | 03:58 |
| imbrandon | i guess i would be happy with freebsd + apt + dpkg + debs etc etc etc | 03:58 |
| imbrandon | but thats tons of work | 03:58 |
| imbrandon | i dunno actualy i havent made a decision in months over this because i dont see a clear awnser | 03:59 |
| imbrandon | just grumbling | 03:59 |
| imbrandon | and no there is no invaraint section in gplv3 iirc | 03:59 |
| minghua | Well, debian/rules requires GNU Make to work, so it's probably a long short to port Debian to anything without GNU toolchain. | 04:00 |
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| imbrandon | yup | 04:00 |
| minghua | ... and who told you that APT or dpkg won't adopt GPLv3? ;-) | 04:00 |
| imbrandon | i can only hope they wont | 04:01 |
| minghua | Let me check... | 04:01 |
| imbrandon | as i said i dont have a clear plan but the deeper i get the more unhappy i have become, just grumbling at this point i'm sure i'll be arround ubuntu for alot longer | 04:01 |
| imbrandon | just clearing some thoughts | 04:01 |
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| minghua | Both APT and dpkg are licensed under GPLv2+, so v3 is a real probability. | 04:02 |
| imbrandon | freebsd is too gentooish for me ( yes i know thats where ports came from , atleaste the idea ) | 04:02 |
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| imbrandon | actualy you know linux ( kernel ) + bsd userland + apt (gplv2fork) + dpkg (gplv2fork) + deb would rock but highly highly unlikely | 04:04 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 04:04 |
| imbrandon | wonder if anyone has done any work on getting linux to compile with bsd tools | 04:05 |
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| pwnguin | i could have sworn nv can push 1440x900 | 04:10 |
| minghua | You need a non-GCC compiler first. | 04:11 |
| minghua | And IMHO a non-GCC compiler that can compile Linux is not gonna happen. | 04:11 |
| bddebian | imbrandon: Why not just write your whole own OS? ;-P | 04:12 |
| imbrandon | bddebian: hehe | 04:12 |
| slavi1 | minghua: ICC | 04:12 |
| slavi1 | add a ? to that | 04:12 |
| pwnguin | does ICC compile the kernel yet? | 04:12 |
| imbrandon | intel's compiler? | 04:13 |
| pwnguin | yea | 04:13 |
| pwnguin | look on the bright side | 04:13 |
| pwnguin | nobody can steal their source | 04:13 |
| imbrandon | heh | 04:13 |
| slavi1 | dunno, don't see why I couldn't | 04:14 |
| slavi1 | why IT couldn't | 04:14 |
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| pwnguin | imbrandon: just switch to openSolaris | 04:15 |
| pwnguin | imbrandon: Ian Murdock did | 04:15 |
| imbrandon | pwnguin: hehe i already package for gnusolaris.org | 04:15 |
| imbrandon | lol | 04:15 |
| imbrandon | but not a bad idea | 04:15 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 04:15 |
| pwnguin | its a horrible idea | 04:16 |
| pwnguin | none of my hardware works with their CDs | 04:16 |
| imbrandon | i havent tried a ton of hardware but the important things work | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | for me | 04:17 |
| minghua | slavi1: Good point, but I think I'll stick with GCC. :-) | 04:18 |
| slavi1 | minghua: was just a suggestion | 04:19 |
| slavi1 | also, anyone know how to get ut2k4 to work with alsa sound? | 04:19 |
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| imbrandon | slavi1: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=363 | 04:23 |
| slavi1 | hmm, I think the problem is because ut2k4 is 32bit | 04:23 |
| slavi1 | I get an error with aoss that libaoss.so cannot be preloaded | 04:24 |
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| RAOF | slavi1: Yeah, that'll be your problem (if you're running x86-64). It needs to load a 32bit aoss, and we don't ship one. | 04:30 |
| slavi1 | RAOF: I read that there is a 64bit ut2k4, any idea where to get it? | 04:32 |
| slavi1 | I found a demo version for amd64 ... | 04:32 |
| RAOF | slavi1: No. Google might. | 04:33 |
| slavi1 | :( | 04:33 |
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| slavi1 | RAOF: are you part of motu? | 04:35 |
| RAOF | slavi1: Yes, although the plaque still hasn't lost it's shine. | 04:36 |
| slavi1 | because java packages are sort of messed up (6.0.3 java6 jre needs to be uploaded since other java6 packages depend on it) | 04:36 |
| === slavi1 tried building packages, but not successfully | ||
| slavi1 | also, may I request anjuta 2.2.1 with all plugins for amd64? ^^ | 04:36 |
| === RAOF shudders. Java is *not* my thing, and those packages were... complex, last I checked. | ||
| slavi1 | grr | 04:37 |
| slavi1 | anjuta then? | 04:37 |
| slavi1 | ^^ | 04:37 |
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| RAOF | slavi1: Bug number? Is it a bug with the current packages, or a request for a new upstream version? | 04:37 |
| slavi1 | new upstream version :) | 04:38 |
| TheMuso | Upstream version freeze is in effect. | 04:39 |
| slavi1 | oh ... ok | 04:39 |
| RAOF | Colour the archives frozen solid. Blowtorches exist, but there needs to be a good reason to crack them out. | 04:39 |
| slavi1 | anjuta 2.x is still in dev and 2.2.1 is a bugfix release AFAIK | 04:39 |
| slavi1 | Anjuta 2.2.1 is follow up bugfix release to stable 2.2.x (Hurricane) series. It fixes several important crash bugs and improves stability. | 04:40 |
| RAOF | slavi1: So, find a *whole bunch* of bugs open in launchpad that the new release fixes, check that the new release doesn't break anything, and follow the procedures for a UVFe. | 04:40 |
| slavi1 | http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=733330 | 04:41 |
| RAOF | Please, not sourceforge! NOOOOOOO! | 04:41 |
| slavi1 | what if the bugfixes were submitted to anjuta? (not on launchpad) | 04:41 |
| slavi1 | oh, come on ... | 04:41 |
| slavi1 | as in "people went to the dev and he fixed them" | 04:41 |
| RAOF | slavi1: Well, they should have filed bugs on the Ubuntu packages, but I *suppose* the UVFe team may accept "it fixes bugs in Ubuntu that haven't been reported". Maybe. | 04:42 |
| minghua | slavi1: Somebody need to audit the code changes in the new upstream version. If you care about anjuta, that "somebody" means you. :-) | 04:42 |
| slavi1 | where is the howto for UVFe (what it is and such) | 04:43 |
| slavi1 | minghua: what do you mean by audit? | 04:43 |
| RAOF | It just seems to me that "hosted on sourceforge" correlates well with "is essentially unmanaged, and is a bugger to package". | 04:43 |
| minghua | slavi1: Let me find the procedure page for you. | 04:43 |
| slavi1 | RAOF: how come? | 04:43 |
| slavi1 | RAOF: don't you compile the stuff from source anyway? | 04:44 |
| minghua | ! info anjuta | 04:44 |
| ubotu | anjuta: A GNOME development IDE for C/C++. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.2.4a-5build1 (feisty), package size 913 kB, installed size 2144 kB | 04:44 |
| slavi1 | !info anjuta gutsy | 04:44 |
| ubotu | anjuta: A GNOME development IDE, for C/C++. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:2.2.0-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 1782 kB, installed size 4324 kB | 04:44 |
| minghua | Hmm, it surprises me that anjuta is not in main. | 04:44 |
| RAOF | slavi1: Yeah, but there's source, and there's source. It's very possible for code to work, but be difficult to package/maintain. | 04:44 |
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| slavi1 | RAOF: I tried to compile anjuta, but for some reason it told me that it couldn't find libapr, libapr-utils, subversion and neon ... also, libapr is named "libapr0", is the zero necessary? | 04:46 |
| minghua | slavi1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-1d28045481b8803d4815989e93edc4206f4848c4 | 04:46 |
| slavi1 | thank you | 04:46 |
| RAOF | slavi1: Yes, see the debian library packaging guide. | 04:46 |
| slavi1 | err | 04:47 |
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| slavi1 | maybe I should wait for the backports team if there is one? | 04:47 |
| slavi1 | or until there is a debian package for it? :P | 04:47 |
| pwnguin | there isnt one? | 04:48 |
| minghua | There is. | 04:48 |
| minghua | anjuta | 2:2.2.1-1 | unstable | source, amd64, i386 | 04:48 |
| slavi1 | ^^ | 04:49 |
| jdong | the mythical backports team | 04:49 |
| slavi1 | is it safe to use debian packages? | 04:49 |
| pwnguin | source packages yes | 04:50 |
| minghua | (if it builds) | 04:50 |
| jdong | slavi1: it is safe to build debian source packages on Ubuntu, then use them | 04:50 |
| jdong | slavi1: it is NOT safe to take a .deb file from Debian and install it onto Ubuntu | 04:50 |
| slavi1 | :( | 04:51 |
| slavi1 | I shouldn't have a problem building from the source package right? | 04:53 |
| slavi1 | should I get anjuta-common and anjuta source packages? | 04:54 |
| slavi1 | hmm, I remember seeing these original.tar.gz and stuff I just forget where the packaging guide is :( | 04:56 |
| RAOF | !packagingguide | 04:57 |
| ubotu | The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports | 04:57 |
| slavi1 | ty | 04:58 |
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| RAOF | Amaranth: How do people handle the screen-flashes with nvidia & compiz??? | 05:08 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: What screen flashes? | 05:08 |
| StevenK | Amaranth: So, does compiz talk yet? :-) | 05:08 |
| RAOF | Amaranth: Where, every now and then, there's a black flash for a frame or so. | 05:08 |
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| Amaranth | RAOF: I get that maybe once a day | 05:09 |
| RAOF | I've only just noticed this because I spent a little time with Xgl disabled. | 05:09 |
| ajmitch | RAOF: never seen that problem, but I haven't used compiz for quite awhile on my desktop | 05:09 |
| RAOF | Happens multiple times a minute for me. | 05:09 |
| bddebian | StevenK: No but it burps :-) | 05:09 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: your refresh rate is set wrong in compiz? | 05:09 |
| Amaranth | and/or vsync is disable | 05:09 |
| bddebian | StevenK: Oh, btw, I hope you don't mind, I asked for libapache-asp-perl to be removed | 05:09 |
| Amaranth | disabled* | 05:09 |
| RAOF | Amaranth: No? Set to 60, which is the LCD rate. | 05:09 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: weird | 05:10 |
| Amaranth | RAOF: restart X | 05:10 |
| Amaranth | and/or the system | 05:10 |
| RAOF | Amaranth: Oh, is *that* the cause? nvidia-settings suggests that the refresh rate is *actually* 59.9something Hz? | 05:10 |
| RAOF | Amaranth: Or use Xgl, which I am again. | 05:10 |
| RAOF | No, if only wine wasn't totally broken... | 05:11 |
| ajmitch | RAOF: how is it broken this week? | 05:19 |
| RAOF | ajmitch: It doesn't work when it can't get a direct rendering context (ie: under Xgl). | 05:20 |
| RAOF | Even though it's perfectly possible for it to work. | 05:20 |
| StevenK | bddebian: Meh, file one for libapache-filter-perl too, saying that libapache2-mod-perl2 provides the same functionality for apache 2 | 05:20 |
| StevenK | I need to sit down and figure out why WoW hangs on exit with wine 0.9.45 | 05:21 |
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| RAOF | StevenK: Because it's not a new wine release if it doesn't break something that was previously working. | 05:22 |
| Amaranth | Yeah, like freelancer | 05:23 |
| === Amaranth loves that game | ||
| Amaranth | been playing it in vmware, it actually runs too fast | 05:23 |
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| === RAOF hates on Banshee | ||
| RAOF | When you import a CD, please use the profile that I've told you to. | 05:25 |
| RAOF | Also, when I say "remove from disc", I expect files to be deleted. | 05:25 |
| StevenK | RAOF: Yes, well. | 05:25 |
| StevenK | If I could find a 0.9.44 .deb, I'd see if it was broken with that | 05:26 |
| bddebian | StevenK: I was thinking that too but I was starting to feel like an idiot when talking to Thom :'-( What about libapache-ssi-perl? I think perl2 has that too, no? | 05:27 |
| RAOF | StevenK: It wasn't, that I remember. | 05:27 |
| ajmitch | StevenK: that's not hard | 05:27 |
| StevenK | bddebian: I've not looked at libapache-ssi-perl | 05:27 |
| === ajmitch tends to use winehq packages anyway | ||
| StevenK | ajmitch: Meh, I haven't looked that much | 05:28 |
| bddebian | Well get on it man.. ;-) | 05:28 |
| ajmitch | 0.9.41 is the last one that works well for me :) | 05:28 |
| StevenK | bddebian: Bite me, I have paid work to do | 05:28 |
| StevenK | bddebian: :-) | 05:28 |
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| bddebian | I don't even know how it's different than mod_include to be honest | 05:28 |
| ajmitch | Hobbsee! | 05:28 |
| bddebian | mod_include in apache2 uses perl from what I understood | 05:28 |
| bddebian | Do we really need a freakin' manpage for a gui-only package? | 05:29 |
| RAOF | bddebian: Yes, so I can go apropos foo | 05:29 |
| bddebian | pfft | 05:30 |
| Amaranth | bddebian: Apparently everything needs a man page | 05:30 |
| Hobbsee | ajmitch! | 05:30 |
| bddebian | I know, I've been told that, it just seems so dumb | 05:30 |
| Amaranth | alacarte has a man page, which is really stupid | 05:30 |
| === ajmitch hugs Hobbsee | ||
| Amaranth | It doesn't even have any documentation but it does have a boiler plate man page | 05:30 |
| === Hobbsee hugs ajmitch :) | ||
| Amaranth | Last touched in 2005 :) | 05:31 |
| bddebian | Hrm, do I try to get this in Debian first... Hmm | 05:34 |
| ajmitch | yes | 05:34 |
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| TheMuso | Afternoonfolks | 05:36 |
| TheMuso | Or should I say, good $Time_Of_Day | 05:36 |
| ajmitch | hi TheMuso | 05:37 |
| Hobbsee | hi TheMuso | 05:40 |
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| bddebian | Hello TheMuso | 05:47 |
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| bddebian | Holy crap does classpath take a while to build | 06:21 |
| StevenK | It only took ten minutes to fail on the buildds. | 06:24 |
| bddebian | Ah, well maybe I have "fixed" it then :) | 06:24 |
| === minghua finally built poedit to have a try. | ||
| bddebian | If I stick the stupid man pages in debian/ will dh_installman pick them up or do I need to pass the files to dh_installman? | 06:26 |
| StevenK | The latter, or in debian/manpages or debian/<package>.manpages | 06:26 |
| bddebian | Duh, no shit, thanks StevenK | 06:26 |
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