[12:38] crimsun: nice one [12:38] crimsun: thanks a lot [12:38] crimsun: that was exactly what I was looking for === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-213-76.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:39] crimsun: build-deps are satisfied in this case. It's not the same bug.. (I've just built the new packages before). apt-get build-dep should not upgrade any pending packages, should it? [12:41] I forgot to include dhelper.ml [12:41] mk [12:41] thanks a lot [12:45] blueyed: yes, it should. [12:46] why? === norsetto goes to bed [12:47] Night, norsetto. [12:47] blueyed: it does what's necessary to satisfy having the build-dependencies present. [12:48] but, postfix does not depend on apache at all. Also the dependencies would be fulfilled then with the currently installed packages. [12:48] the new version is just "$VERSION+aptbuild". === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcin_ant [n=marcin@194.114.146.124] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] crimsun: do you still consider this a non-bug? [12:59] blueyed: no, I don't === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypher1 [n=cypher1@pool-71-187-249-82.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@cpe-204-210-227-26.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] crimsun: hmm. that appears to happen on Feisty only. I cannot confirm it on my Gutsy system.. === wolfger [n=wolfger@c-68-61-59-149.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-208-222.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-088-195.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.255.214] has joined #ubuntu-motu === albert23 [n=albert@86.81.99.204] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon [n=brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-1d3fa56dae306b5c] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-d7efc28780c121a3] has joined #ubuntu-motu === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-048-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [i=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jalvesaq [n=jakson@201.56.115.240] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] hi [02:41] I'm following the instructions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/REVU, and uploaded two packages to revu, but I don't know what to do now. [02:42] Can anyone help me? === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sacater [n=sacater@ubuntu/member/colchester-lug.sacater] has joined #ubuntu-motu === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1ccc:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:46] jalvesaq: Not much to do next, basically just wait until someone reviews you packages. === phoenixx [n=phoenix@144022.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.236.52] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:49] minghua: Thanks for the answer! One package is interesting only for Brazilian people. Is there any way of making Brazilian Motus knowing about the package? [02:51] jalvesaq: Not sure. You can always send them private emails if you know who they are. [02:53] I don't know them. So, I'll just wait. Thanks again. Theses were my questions, so, good by! === jalvesaq [n=jakson@201.56.115.240] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Konversation] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === valles_ [n=valles@200.71.131.36] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apachelogger_ [n=me@N797P000.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:14] Heya gang [03:14] hey bddebian [03:15] Hello RAOF [03:15] Stupid frikkin nvidia screenflashing with opengl crap mutter mutter grumble... === fedefede0101 [n=Fede@host244-68-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fedefede0101 [n=Fede@host244-68-dynamic.50-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-motu ["ciaociao..."] === Knightlust [n=dax@122.2.250.148] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussio1 [n=jussi@oul088-gw3.netplaza.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === djennewe [n=djennewe@65-102-95-224.sxfl.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ogra1 [n=ogra@83-59-118.netrun.cytanet.com.cy] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xeruno [n=xeruno@cable200-116-11-46.epm.net.co] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slavi1 [n=slavik@67-100-227-140.adsl.lbdsl.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:38] RAOF: wow, the iwl3945 driver causes a lot less wakeups [03:38] who would be the proper party to notify regarding package dependency breakage in gutsy? [03:38] (i finally got it working) [03:40] maybe not so much === imbrandon [n=ubuntu@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:43] hrm [03:49] yes? [03:53] ajmitch: just getting fed up with licenses, considering using *bsd, was just looking at Debian GNU/kFreeBSD [03:53] tis all [03:53] I see [03:53] but that still is the gnu toolchain [03:53] and you want to avoid anything GNU now [03:53] bah, probably just the mood i'm in after some blog posts etc [03:53] imbrandon: Debian GNU/Hurd baby :-) [03:53] Oh, NM :-) === Pici [n=Pici@unaffiliated/pici] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:54] heh [03:54] There's always Windows :-) [03:54] LOL [03:55] from the sound of things, that's what he wants, except free in $ [03:55] well honestly here is my delima ( and has been for a while but its been bugging me more this release cycle ) I absolutely hate GPLv3 and and some other licenses etc but i love the tools Debian offers [03:55] but BSD is almost as bad because it can just be stolen [03:55] heh [03:56] and why do you absolutely hate gplv3? [03:56] Plan9? :) [03:56] actualy i just am agrovated at the invaraint thang in gdfl and gplv3 [03:56] Minix? [03:57] ajmitch: mostly because of things that RMS tried to free us from like tvoization etc i think is un needed burdens [03:57] If you don't like the GNU toolchain in Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, why not just use the real FreeBSD? [03:58] Is there a invariant section in GPLv3? [03:58] minghua: well thats the thing its not that i dont like GNU infact i LOVE Debian/Ubuntu [03:58] i guess i would be happy with freebsd + apt + dpkg + debs etc etc etc [03:58] but thats tons of work [03:59] i dunno actualy i havent made a decision in months over this because i dont see a clear awnser [03:59] just grumbling [03:59] and no there is no invaraint section in gplv3 iirc [04:00] Well, debian/rules requires GNU Make to work, so it's probably a long short to port Debian to anything without GNU toolchain. === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:00] yup [04:00] ... and who told you that APT or dpkg won't adopt GPLv3? ;-) [04:01] i can only hope they wont [04:01] Let me check... [04:01] as i said i dont have a clear plan but the deeper i get the more unhappy i have become, just grumbling at this point i'm sure i'll be arround ubuntu for alot longer [04:01] just clearing some thoughts === javier_galicia [n=Javier@189.130.233.168] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:02] Both APT and dpkg are licensed under GPLv2+, so v3 is a real probability. [04:02] freebsd is too gentooish for me ( yes i know thats where ports came from , atleaste the idea ) === EliasAmaral [n=dark@unaffiliated/EliasAmaral] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:04] actualy you know linux ( kernel ) + bsd userland + apt (gplv2fork) + dpkg (gplv2fork) + deb would rock but highly highly unlikely [04:04] hehe [04:05] wonder if anyone has done any work on getting linux to compile with bsd tools === imbrandon ponders === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:10] i could have sworn nv can push 1440x900 [04:11] You need a non-GCC compiler first. [04:11] And IMHO a non-GCC compiler that can compile Linux is not gonna happen. [04:12] imbrandon: Why not just write your whole own OS? ;-P [04:12] bddebian: hehe [04:12] minghua: ICC [04:12] add a ? to that [04:12] does ICC compile the kernel yet? [04:13] intel's compiler? [04:13] yea [04:13] look on the bright side [04:13] nobody can steal their source [04:13] heh [04:14] dunno, don't see why I couldn't [04:14] why IT couldn't === wolfger [n=wolfger@c-68-61-59-149.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:15] imbrandon: just switch to openSolaris [04:15] imbrandon: Ian Murdock did [04:15] pwnguin: hehe i already package for gnusolaris.org [04:15] lol [04:15] but not a bad idea [04:15] ;) [04:16] its a horrible idea [04:16] none of my hardware works with their CDs [04:17] i havent tried a ton of hardware but the important things work [04:17] for me [04:18] slavi1: Good point, but I think I'll stick with GCC. :-) [04:19] minghua: was just a suggestion [04:19] also, anyone know how to get ut2k4 to work with alsa sound? === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tru_`z24 [n=truz_`24@74-129-166-232.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:23] slavi1: http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=363 [04:23] hmm, I think the problem is because ut2k4 is 32bit [04:24] I get an error with aoss that libaoss.so cannot be preloaded === RobinD [n=robind@adsl-66-218-47-243.dslextreme.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:30] slavi1: Yeah, that'll be your problem (if you're running x86-64). It needs to load a 32bit aoss, and we don't ship one. [04:32] RAOF: I read that there is a 64bit ut2k4, any idea where to get it? [04:32] I found a demo version for amd64 ... [04:33] slavi1: No. Google might. [04:33] :( === slavi1 is preordering ut3 collector's edition === RAOF fights the urge to package libgnome-keyring-cil instead of marking. [04:35] RAOF: are you part of motu? [04:36] slavi1: Yes, although the plaque still hasn't lost it's shine. [04:36] because java packages are sort of messed up (6.0.3 java6 jre needs to be uploaded since other java6 packages depend on it) === slavi1 tried building packages, but not successfully [04:36] also, may I request anjuta 2.2.1 with all plugins for amd64? ^^ === RAOF shudders. Java is *not* my thing, and those packages were... complex, last I checked. [04:37] grr [04:37] anjuta then? [04:37] ^^ === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:37] slavi1: Bug number? Is it a bug with the current packages, or a request for a new upstream version? [04:38] new upstream version :) [04:39] Upstream version freeze is in effect. [04:39] oh ... ok [04:39] Colour the archives frozen solid. Blowtorches exist, but there needs to be a good reason to crack them out. [04:39] anjuta 2.x is still in dev and 2.2.1 is a bugfix release AFAIK [04:40] Anjuta 2.2.1 is follow up bugfix release to stable 2.2.x (Hurricane) series. It fixes several important crash bugs and improves stability. [04:40] slavi1: So, find a *whole bunch* of bugs open in launchpad that the new release fixes, check that the new release doesn't break anything, and follow the procedures for a UVFe. [04:41] http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=733330 [04:41] Please, not sourceforge! NOOOOOOO! [04:41] what if the bugfixes were submitted to anjuta? (not on launchpad) [04:41] oh, come on ... [04:41] as in "people went to the dev and he fixed them" [04:42] slavi1: Well, they should have filed bugs on the Ubuntu packages, but I *suppose* the UVFe team may accept "it fixes bugs in Ubuntu that haven't been reported". Maybe. [04:42] slavi1: Somebody need to audit the code changes in the new upstream version. If you care about anjuta, that "somebody" means you. :-) [04:43] where is the howto for UVFe (what it is and such) [04:43] minghua: what do you mean by audit? [04:43] It just seems to me that "hosted on sourceforge" correlates well with "is essentially unmanaged, and is a bugger to package". [04:43] slavi1: Let me find the procedure page for you. [04:43] RAOF: how come? [04:44] RAOF: don't you compile the stuff from source anyway? [04:44] ! info anjuta [04:44] anjuta: A GNOME development IDE for C/C++. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.2.4a-5build1 (feisty), package size 913 kB, installed size 2144 kB [04:44] !info anjuta gutsy [04:44] anjuta: A GNOME development IDE, for C/C++. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:2.2.0-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 1782 kB, installed size 4324 kB [04:44] Hmm, it surprises me that anjuta is not in main. [04:44] slavi1: Yeah, but there's source, and there's source. It's very possible for code to work, but be difficult to package/maintain. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:46] RAOF: I tried to compile anjuta, but for some reason it told me that it couldn't find libapr, libapr-utils, subversion and neon ... also, libapr is named "libapr0", is the zero necessary? [04:46] slavi1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess#head-1d28045481b8803d4815989e93edc4206f4848c4 [04:46] thank you [04:46] slavi1: Yes, see the debian library packaging guide. [04:47] err === slavi1 hasn't had luck in building packages [04:47] maybe I should wait for the backports team if there is one? [04:47] or until there is a debian package for it? :P [04:48] there isnt one? [04:48] There is. [04:48] anjuta | 2:2.2.1-1 | unstable | source, amd64, i386 [04:49] ^^ [04:49] the mythical backports team [04:49] is it safe to use debian packages? [04:50] source packages yes [04:50] (if it builds) [04:50] slavi1: it is safe to build debian source packages on Ubuntu, then use them [04:50] slavi1: it is NOT safe to take a .deb file from Debian and install it onto Ubuntu [04:51] :( [04:53] I shouldn't have a problem building from the source package right? [04:54] should I get anjuta-common and anjuta source packages? [04:56] hmm, I remember seeing these original.tar.gz and stuff I just forget where the packaging guide is :( [04:57] !packagingguide [04:57] The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports [04:58] ty === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-170-245.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === porthose [n=charliej@67.60.186.55] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Whoopie_ [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD [n=robind@adsl-66-218-47-243.dslextreme.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:08] Amaranth: How do people handle the screen-flashes with nvidia & compiz??? [05:08] RAOF: What screen flashes? [05:08] Amaranth: So, does compiz talk yet? :-) [05:08] Amaranth: Where, every now and then, there's a black flash for a frame or so. === slavi1 [n=slavik@67-100-227-140.adsl.lbdsl.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [05:09] RAOF: I get that maybe once a day [05:09] I've only just noticed this because I spent a little time with Xgl disabled. [05:09] RAOF: never seen that problem, but I haven't used compiz for quite awhile on my desktop [05:09] Happens multiple times a minute for me. [05:09] StevenK: No but it burps :-) [05:09] RAOF: your refresh rate is set wrong in compiz? [05:09] and/or vsync is disable [05:09] StevenK: Oh, btw, I hope you don't mind, I asked for libapache-asp-perl to be removed [05:09] disabled* [05:09] Amaranth: No? Set to 60, which is the LCD rate. [05:10] RAOF: weird [05:10] RAOF: restart X [05:10] and/or the system [05:10] Amaranth: Oh, is *that* the cause? nvidia-settings suggests that the refresh rate is *actually* 59.9something Hz? [05:10] Amaranth: Or use Xgl, which I am again. [05:11] No, if only wine wasn't totally broken... [05:19] RAOF: how is it broken this week? [05:20] ajmitch: It doesn't work when it can't get a direct rendering context (ie: under Xgl). [05:20] Even though it's perfectly possible for it to work. [05:20] bddebian: Meh, file one for libapache-filter-perl too, saying that libapache2-mod-perl2 provides the same functionality for apache 2 [05:21] I need to sit down and figure out why WoW hangs on exit with wine 0.9.45 === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-048-086.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:22] StevenK: Because it's not a new wine release if it doesn't break something that was previously working. [05:23] Yeah, like freelancer === Amaranth loves that game [05:23] been playing it in vmware, it actually runs too fast === brylie [n=brylie@CPE-75-81-97-106.kc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RAOF hates on Banshee [05:25] When you import a CD, please use the profile that I've told you to. [05:25] Also, when I say "remove from disc", I expect files to be deleted. [05:25] RAOF: Yes, well. [05:26] If I could find a 0.9.44 .deb, I'd see if it was broken with that [05:27] StevenK: I was thinking that too but I was starting to feel like an idiot when talking to Thom :'-( What about libapache-ssi-perl? I think perl2 has that too, no? [05:27] StevenK: It wasn't, that I remember. [05:27] StevenK: that's not hard [05:27] bddebian: I've not looked at libapache-ssi-perl === ajmitch tends to use winehq packages anyway [05:28] ajmitch: Meh, I haven't looked that much [05:28] Well get on it man.. ;-) [05:28] 0.9.41 is the last one that works well for me :) [05:28] bddebian: Bite me, I have paid work to do [05:28] bddebian: :-) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:28] I don't even know how it's different than mod_include to be honest [05:28] Hobbsee! [05:28] mod_include in apache2 uses perl from what I understood [05:29] Do we really need a freakin' manpage for a gui-only package? [05:29] bddebian: Yes, so I can go apropos foo [05:30] pfft [05:30] bddebian: Apparently everything needs a man page [05:30] ajmitch! [05:30] I know, I've been told that, it just seems so dumb [05:30] alacarte has a man page, which is really stupid === ajmitch hugs Hobbsee [05:30] It doesn't even have any documentation but it does have a boiler plate man page === Hobbsee hugs ajmitch :) [05:31] Last touched in 2005 :) [05:34] Hrm, do I try to get this in Debian first... Hmm [05:34] yes === phoenixx [n=phoenix@144022.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:36] Afternoonfolks [05:36] Or should I say, good $Time_Of_Day [05:37] hi TheMuso [05:40] hi TheMuso === AstralJava [n=jaska@e82-103-217-184.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:47] Hello TheMuso === asantoni [n=alb@CPE00095be80fce-CM001868e2c60e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayeco [n=mayeco@201.218.105.31] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:21] Holy crap does classpath take a while to build [06:24] It only took ten minutes to fail on the buildds. [06:24] Ah, well maybe I have "fixed" it then :) === minghua finally built poedit to have a try. [06:26] If I stick the stupid man pages in debian/ will dh_installman pick them up or do I need to pass the files to dh_installman? [06:26] The latter, or in debian/manpages or debian/.manpages [06:26] Duh, no shit, thanks StevenK === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu