[01:20] no [01:20] been busy hacking at stuff [01:22] hum [01:22] every time i do /topic [01:22] bug [01:22] i think: one day i'm gonna vandalize it. [01:24] that's strange... my 140GB drive shows up as free space in the partitioner [01:25] it should have an ext2 partition [01:50] Fuck. I just installed with a hostname of chris-desktop [01:50] whoops [01:55] ;) [01:56] damn this low-rez TV screen [01:57] and damn the FCC for hampering the free market and causing me to have a low rez TV screen [01:57] "free market"? [01:57] well, would-be free market [01:58] i bet that the free market would consist of getting your tongue cut out if you mentioned the word "tivo" if it wasn't for the FCC [01:58] did anything happen while I was gone? [01:58] laga: why would that be the case? [01:59] brunner: well, AFAIK is regulating the cable/media companies to make sure they're not completely locking out their customers [02:02] but what do i know, i'm not from the US [02:02] okay, any bugs? [02:03] I want to start with adding something, to get to know it, rather than rewriting [02:06] oh, does anyone know how to add in shell? [02:07] like [02:07] maths in bash? [02:07] yeah [02:07] echo $((2+2)) [02:07] I want to increment an envi. variable [02:08] ought to work [02:08] echo $(($FOO+2)) [02:08] 4 [02:08] yup [02:08] Ahhh [02:08] superm1: you here? [02:08] Yay! Worked [02:11] I just have a script that makes a new directory, downloads the latest branch, builds and installs it [02:12] cool [02:12] but what needs to be done, other than neatining up? [02:13] does it increment the version number as well? [02:13] ok [02:13] what needs to be done [02:13] hum [02:13] superm1 might have some ideas... [02:13] personally i'd like to add some performance tuning stuff to mythbuntu. [02:13] Okay [02:14] eg the ability to modify the fstab to include an allocsize= mount option to avoid fragmentation [02:14] It doesn't do it based on the version number in bazaar, but it just goes by whenever you run the script. I'm sure if I had time, I could do that, but this is just really quick [02:14] Okay [02:14] possibly only for the file system which holds /var/lib/mythtv/recordings [02:14] but that's probably a rather big task [02:15] therethinker: if you install devscripts, you can do "dch -v 1.3.37-mine "my changelog entry"" and be done === Tari_ [n=Tari@CPE-72-133-204-1.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:16] well, what do _you_ like to see in the control centre? [02:16] What? If you haven't noticed by lack of knowledge, I'm new to bazaar, so I'm a tad (scratch that, very) slow [02:17] therethinker: sudo aptitude install devscripts [02:17] hmm... I'll look around, [02:17] that's a bunch of helper scripts for debian package maintainers [02:17] oh, thats awesome [02:17] use dch -v to set a new version number for the debian package [02:17] and use dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot to build afterwards [02:17] okay [02:18] sorry I keep switching users, I hope its not too confusing :P [02:18] no problem [02:22] any eta on new mythbuntu CD? this week? [02:22] chuk: likely [02:27] my perl-fu is weak. [02:28] perl blows [02:28] I've never liked perl [02:28] what do you use? [02:28] Well I'm a C++ / Java Coder [02:29] oh [02:29] scripting, bash or python :) [02:29] ah, ypthon. so we have another mcc victim :) [02:29] but my python is pretty weak tbh [02:29] python* [02:29] mine is worse... [02:30] not sure if my perl or my python is worse [02:30] i think it's python [02:30] well perl sucks rocks [02:30] heh [02:30] it's such an illogical language [02:31] that's probably what i like about it [02:31] not sure why my stuff is breaking, though [02:31] cause you suck? [02:31] it's interesting how everyone in here is harassing me. :> === laga makes a note to fight back [02:32] At least you aint German... that would be really unfortuante [02:32] yes === therethinker harasses laga [02:32] having such a great vriety of beer available would kill me [02:32] s/vriety/variety/ [02:32] weiss beer ftw [02:33] i probably like perl because it doesn't matter how i spell stuff [02:33] :P [02:33] laga: Have you ever been to the Munich beer halls? [02:33] no [02:33] it's teh suck [02:33] only stupid british tourists find it interesting [02:33] yup [02:33] but then, that's cause we have class === Daviey huggles laga [02:34] yes. puking british tourists, that's what i call class [02:34] heh [02:35] And what are the cycle paths all about eh? === laga checks for new jokes on sickipedia [02:35] ding ding ding... "get out of the way" [02:35] heh [02:35] well, WE care about people who can't afford a car [02:36] why? [02:36] Geez, i didn't know sikipedia existed.. thanks! :) [02:36] yes [02:37] it's awesome [02:37] if you are a sick fuck [02:37] <3 sickipedia [02:37] <------------ [02:37] Oh... some are sick [02:44] Wow, this does a lot in such little code [02:44] Is all the changing done by some other component? [02:44] and its just a GUI to launch these things? [02:44] therethinker: changing is done in changer.py [02:45] still... [02:45] but okay === laga curses === laga stops cursing === therethinker2 asks what happened? === therethinker2 likes talking in 3rd person! [03:04] oh, just coding perl and messing around with hashes [03:05] looks like some data has some additional presents attached [03:05] spaces or newlines [03:05] ah [03:05] BTW: you cursed for exactly 50 seconds, thats quick! [03:05] channel="1.orf.at " [03:05] heh [03:05] does anyone know what means? [03:06] so, are you doing anything to mcc currently? [03:06] I'm looking it over [03:07] trying to be one with the code [03:07] ah, yes [03:07] the old black leather coat thing [03:07] waiting for the moment when I think that "self.sleep(10)" means I get a 10 minute break === laga considers putting in a self.torture(666) === therethinker2 considers putting in self.fix_line(618) [03:09] what's wrong? [03:09] nothing, just a random line :P [03:10] heh === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === OpenMediaSupport [n=steve@60-234-129-166.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === gcleric_ [n=ericjk@74.95.16.13] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:37] laga, stilll around? [03:37] ye [03:37] s [03:37] i figured out why it kept asking me to redo my auth status [03:37] small oversight on your part [03:37] very small actually [03:38] ? [03:38] i'll commit it right now [03:38] and you can see [03:38] k [03:39] revno68 has it [03:41] duh [03:41] thanks :/ [03:42] silly eh? [03:42] yes [03:42] i'm really wondering why that worked on your box though [03:42] makes little sense [03:43] do you have any other items to get in? If no, i'm going to prep debian/changelog and debian/rules to push this to the archive [03:43] right.. i was storing a boolean variable as a string and forgot to conver it back to boolean [03:43] TBH, it totally sucks that configparser cant do this natively [03:43] well that configparser isn't usually used for this [03:43] it was just a convenient structure [03:43] that would be conducive to saving settings later [03:43] superm1: i'd like to jclean it up a bit maybe and add some sanity checks here and there. can you push it tomorrow? [03:44] yes [03:44] as long as you promise not to break anything else sure :) [03:44] but still, i should be able to save "yes"/"no" with configparser without converting them to strings beforehand *shrug* [03:44] heh [03:44] xmltv grabber is fixed, too [03:44] big productive day today eh? [03:44] now it's outputting nice xmltv ids [03:44] same as yesterday [03:45] you get that effect if you spend ~14h coding even if you can't actually do it ;) [03:45] haha [03:45] yeah [03:45] okay well looking at the list of things to hit upon before beta, only two things left. [03:45] push these to the archives [03:45] and stop apt from freezing in ubiquity [03:45] is xfce sane now? [03:46] in theory yeah [03:46] good [03:46] there is a small bug that nm-applet starts over and over [03:46] if you save settings upon logout [03:46] but otherwise things should be good [03:46] i talked to the xubuntu guys [03:46] and by rc they will have some cleanup that will make our lives easier [03:46] is the mythtv session xfce or still openbox? [03:47] its xfce now via control centre [03:47] or ubiquity [03:47] ok [03:47] you can go openbox if you use ubuntu-mythtv-frontend [03:47] but nothing is pushed to the archive [03:47] won't nm-applet ask for a password for wlans? :/ [03:47] i'm going to push it all at once [03:47] ok [03:47] hmu [03:47] m [03:47] it's almost time for weekly builds again [03:48] well it asks to unlock the keyring [03:48] that's right [03:48] that's a big annoyance [03:48] someone ine here told me you can use pam-keyring [03:48] well by rc we can look at adding pam keyring [03:48] yeah [03:48] but i have no clue what that is [03:48] but you need to set your keyring password identical [03:48] right [03:48] to your login password [03:48] and i think it doesnt work upon auto login [03:48] should be able to enforce that in mcc [03:49] lets see what kind of response we get post beta [03:49] and whether that will be necessary [03:49] unessl i do it, in which case you'll get dancing clowns or something [03:49] you can always save the setting via network-admin too [03:49] rathre than use nm-applet [03:49] since network-admin is part of our install now [03:49] true. we can still modify wpa-supplicant.conf [03:49] what does network-admin do? modify config files statically? [03:49] yeah [03:49] it modified /etc/network/interfaces [03:50] and tells nm-applet to take a hike [03:50] that's great. [03:50] for those interfaces [03:50] i think that should be sufficient [03:50] yeah hopefully [03:50] ignoring the fact that it's gnome. ;) [03:50] well the gnome dependencies are stripped from it [03:50] from what the xfce guys told me [03:50] wee [03:50] they used to have an xfce variant of it [03:51] until they convinced gnome guys to build it differently [03:51] okay i'm going to push this version to the ppa at least [03:51] and do another build of the iso in a few hours [03:52] and take a look and see if maybe for some reason apt decides to not freeze anymore [03:52] does i+t freeze in ubiquity proper, too? [03:52] well can't test the gtk frontend in our env [03:52] since we are missing language packs [03:52] and it expects those [03:52] and cant test our ubiquity in a normal env [03:52] because we expect mythtv-common [03:52] and a few other things [03:53] great [03:54] i'm wondering if perhaps installing from the ppa on an alpha4 disk is feasible though === laga imports his XMLTV file for the first time [03:54] that would definitely be a good way to test [03:55] and it would rule out unionfs crap [03:55] i still dont believe unionfs is solved [03:55] it may not kernel oops for us [03:55] unionfs seems to be "teh suck" lately [03:55] but i dont trust it [03:55] are older kenrles still available? maybe we can build a disk with an old kernel [03:56] unfortuantely not [03:56] bah [03:56] also older kernels have older versions of lirc modules [03:56] which is bad [03:56] well, just for testing, so we can yell at the kernel guys [03:57] well the problem though is that the cd repository is broken on disk remember for alpha4 [03:57] so it has to be an app that hasn't changed since a4 that gets installed [03:57] perhaps openchrome [03:57] that'd be feasible [03:58] you mean openchrome breaks apt? [03:58] well need a deb to install during ubiqiuty [03:58] to test apt [03:58] but needs to be one still valid on mirrors.cs.umn.edu [03:59] since all the others have expired [04:00] what happens if there is no intarweb available during install? [04:00] the install gets unhappy on a4 [04:00] beta its fixed [04:00] since on cd repo works properly [04:00] good [04:01] Grabber did not validate ok. See /tmp/q8JyReIDRx/t_commands.log for a list of the commands that were used [04:01] it did boil down to that one apt config option [04:01] /tmp/q8JyReIDRx/t_commands.log: No such file or directory [04:01] that's not good [04:01] XMLTV is bersolid software. [04:02] woah i forgot usplash was so f*d on a4 [04:02] wow [04:05] i iwhs asus would finally release their EEE [04:05] EEE? [04:06] New bug: #139585 in mythbuntu-control-centre (universe) "Desktop roles: should be able to select more than one" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139585 [04:08] small notebook for $199-$350 [04:08] http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.mobilemag.com/content/images/12559_large.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/334/C12559/&h=300&w=400&sz=33&hl=de&start=2&um=1&tbnid=5kLfj1_mSfgs0M:&tbnh=93&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dasus%2Beee%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dde%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dcom.ubuntu:de:official%26sa%3DN [04:08] /tmp/1QRwA0T9Ep/t_1_2.xml validates ok [04:08] yay [04:08] wow 200 bucks [04:09] what kind of cpu in the things? [04:09] something intel i guess [04:10] http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3829 [04:10] Processor: Intel mobile CPU (Intel 910 chipset, 900MHz Dothan Pentium M) [04:10] more than enough [04:10] for myth and sdtv :) [04:10] yeah for sure [04:11] too bad they won't ship it next month like they planned to [04:11] need one for university [04:12] no you just want to be able to irc in class dont you :S? [04:12] no, that wouldn't justify the 2Gb RAM and the dual core CPU i'm gonna get ;) [04:13] the only reason i'd want a faster laptop is so that i can run VM's faster [04:13] yup [04:13] if my old laptop wasn't falling apart, it#d keep it [04:13] at least one core for a vm and one for normal session [04:13] nice small asus thing with a pentium m 1.4GHz [04:13] i should just fix my other box already though, so i can use my desktop for vmware server again [04:14] yes [04:14] shame on you [04:14] you used vmware server's remote connection stuff? [04:14] its actually pretty nice [04:14] no [04:14] but virtualbox can do rdp, too [04:15] but can it forward cdroms and usb over rdp? [04:15] and virtualbox's networking is horrible compared to vmware's [04:15] i mean for most purposes its not a big deal [04:15] "The Eee PC even comes with its own Anti-Virus software" wtf [04:15] but in general [04:15] haha [04:15] true, but i managed to get virtualbox working so i won't bother [04:15] ok, virtualbox breaks often but i tinker a lot [04:16] laga: go to bed! [04:16] okay i was able to upgrade ubiquity in the a4 vm [04:16] Daviey: bah [04:16] so perhaps we'll know in about 42 percent [04:16] whether unionfs is being mean [04:16] unionfs is fixed, aint it? [04:16] that's what they 'say' [04:16] psh [04:16] i dont buy it [04:17] so. what's your favourite webcomics? === Tari__ [n=Tari@adsl-70-231-16-54.dsl.milwwi.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === laga waits for 42% to happen [04:18] webcomics? [04:18] cant say i look at any ever === laga recommends www.xkcd.com [04:19] :O just googled and came to that site aswell [04:19] now we know why you are so darn productive [04:19] eeek [04:19] also, www.sinfest.net [04:19] oh i've been to xkcd before === laga will keep the sick ones to himself [04:19] there are some good things on there [04:20] yup === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-58-249.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:21] Everbody loves eric raymond... they are good [04:21] yes [04:21] http://geekz.co.uk/shop/images/che-stallman-tshirt-show.jpg?1174745457 [04:23] by goly it works on a4 [04:24] so now its time to play the game what has changed that could have broken it since then [04:24] argh [04:25] superm1: that's probably even less fun than git-bisect on a few thousand changes.. === superm1 curls up in a ball and wishes there was a way to just ship the older kernel [04:27] its probably unionfs. [04:27] and now that the beta disks are out for normal ubuntu there is no priority to them rushing to fix things [04:28] well [04:28] they just shipped thousands of borked disks.. [04:28] we could switch to Fedora? [04:28] oh well, it's not like _my_ bugs get fixed === laga burns Daviey [04:29] erm, are beta disks shipping? [04:29] yeah they are [04:29] Why?! [04:29] honestly, make a disk and look at dmesg [04:29] its a mess [04:29] i swear unionfs cant be fixed [04:30] surely beta testers are capiable of burning an iso!? [04:30] This makes me sad - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icyQDl2eN5g [04:30] okay next experiment. lets upgrade apt and python in an alpha4 disk [04:30] and try [04:31] Daviey: they are not shipped [04:31] Daviey: shipped as in "available for download" [04:31] ah [04:33] god can you guys imagine how hard it would have been to start coding ubiquity and this live disk if things were broke at the *start* of the dev cycle? [04:33] it would have been impossible [04:33] http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/copa-cobandit [04:33] ^^ the "everybody loves eric s raymond" is nice, indeed [04:33] yeah.. i'm still looking forward to a major merge.. no doubt hungry hippo will change ubiquity radically [04:34] hungry hippo? [04:34] better than herdly heroine [04:34] s/herdly/hardly/ [04:34] http://www.thinginabag.com/node/688 [04:34] ok, it#s 4:30 or something, i need to go to bed [04:35] night [04:35] laga: sleep is for the weak [04:35] this week i agree === Daviey is writing documentation... [04:36] 11,257 words so far... i hate writing docs [04:36] cat dem from /dev/random and use clever perl script [04:36] g'night [04:36] Has to be written to 3 levels aswell... This is just the low level stuff [04:37] laga: nn [04:40] I'm going aswell [04:40] nn [04:40] nn [04:43] man it works with updated python-apt and apt on the live disk too [04:43] it really is looking like unionfs [05:00] laga, look at bug 144395 and tell me i'm not crazy. i swear this is the exact same time that things fail for us too. [05:00] Launchpad bug 144395 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "unionfs oopses for http processes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144395 [05:09] well laga: it does sound to be unionfs. i knew i couldn't trust it. http://pastebin.ca/718102 === jumpkick [n=GED@bas2-toronto47-1242398775.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [05:12] sigh... mythbackend crashed 4 hours before prime time... [05:12] makes me sad [05:12] ouch :( [05:12] why'd it crash? [05:13] EIT scanning I guess [05:13] that's the last thing in the log [05:14] [26917.539354] mythbackend[3815] : segfault at 00002aaaaae55000 rip 00002aaf01d23a48 rsp 00000000480108f0 error 4 [05:14] in dmesg [05:15] ugh yuck. [05:15] did apport catch anything? [05:15] how do I check? [05:16] oh I suppose I should install it [05:16] haha well too late then if it wasn't installed [05:17] seems I already have it [05:17] but X was not running at the time [05:18] guess I'll just put in an f-in cron script to keep things running [05:19] well i dont know if apport needs to be cron'ed [05:19] its a service [05:21] oh no [05:21] I was thinking more like this [05:21]