[12:48] <nixternal> ooh, akademy is in august...wooohoooo, count me in!
[12:49] <n8k99> nixternal: in belgium
[12:50] <nixternal> yup
[12:50] <n8k99> sounds like fun
[01:01] <mluser-work> Does anyone know if its possible to get a history of installed packages using apt-get or any other utility?
[01:02] <mluser-work> I'm trying to find out what the last version of the xserver-xorg-video-ati was
[01:07] <nixternal> dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-ati
[01:08] <nixternal> not a history, but it will tell you the version you have installed
[01:08] <mluser-work> nixternal: Thank you, I already did that, but what I'm trying to find out was the previous version of the ati driver.. the latest package messed up my resolutions
[01:10] <mluser-work> what part of this is the actual version of the package: '1:6.6.193-1ubuntu1'
[01:10] <nixternal> 1:6.7.193-1ubuntu1
[01:10] <DaSkreech> Riddell: ping
[01:10] <mluser-work> so 'sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati=1:6.6.193-1ubuntu1' should work.. right?
[01:11] <nixternal> yes
[01:12] <mluser-work> Ok, well its not working, so I guess I can assume that when a new package is uploaded to the repositories, the old versions are removed, because it cant find that package
[01:12] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Hey
[01:13] <nixternal> yo yo
[01:13] <nixternal> no, the old versions stay
[01:13] <DaSkreech> nixternal: The invite to upgrade to gutsy
[01:13] <nixternal> try and remove the 1: and see if that helps
[01:14] <nixternal> if not, you can go to archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu and download the old version from there
[01:14] <DaSkreech>  is it intended for package tests or for "user experience" ?
[01:14] <coreymon77> invite?
[01:14] <coreymon77> what are you talking about
[01:14] <nixternal> I have no idea, I haven't been following all that much this week
[01:14] <DaSkreech> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3013
[01:15] <mluser-work> nixternal: Thanks for you help :)
[01:19] <DaSkreech> coreymon77: ^^^
[01:20] <mluser-work> nixternal: excellent, downgrading to the previous ati driver fixed my X resolutions.. thanks again :)
[01:23] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Ok going home I'm going to setup the upgrades
[01:24] <coreymon77> meh
[01:24] <coreymon77> i dont tend to trust linux betas
[01:24] <coreymon77> especially with my linux box
[01:37] <nixternal> I use nothing but development releases....they are more interesting
[03:19] <DaSkreech> Riddell: reping
[03:20] <nixternal> bddebian: boo! HAH
[03:21] <nixternal> man, if you are running a gutsy server, whatever you do, do not upgrade!
[03:21] <nixternal> perl breakage, udev breakage, volumeid breakage, just flat out total carnage
[03:21] <bddebian> heh
[03:21] <nixternal> and is anyone else on gutsy seeing a goofy email to the amarok bugs or some garbage?
[03:21] <DaSkreech> nixternal: sooooo distupgrading now is a bad idea?
[03:21] <nixternal> I see it every now and then after a reboot
[03:21] <nixternal> DaSkreech: very bad idea
[03:22] <nixternal> wait until gcc, perl, udev, and such settle down
[03:22] <DaSkreech> nixternal: is there a time period of that?
[03:23] <DaSkreech> for
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> add to that that adept_updater wants to remove every package on peoples computers.
[03:23] <nixternal> couple of days
[03:23] <nixternal> because if I seen correctly, there are a couple of FTBS on gcc and perl
[03:23] <coreymon77> i guess this is why they are called betas
[03:24] <DaSkreech> So I brought home my computer for nothing :(
[03:24] <nixternal> I just had the update ask me to type "Yes, I am really sure" or something like that on my server update because it was going to remove everything "perl"
[03:24] <DaSkreech> ah well
[03:24] <nixternal> it even told me that doing so will ruin my life :)
[03:25] <nixternal> chill time...back in a bit
[03:25] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[04:15] <Jucato> stdin: have fun with them :)
[04:15] <stdin> Jucato: I'm getting board with it now :p
[04:17] <Jucato> just kinda sad to see that people who "seem" to know better don't actually get involved in making things better... they seem to be satisfied just ranting about it to show that they know better :(
[04:19] <Jucato> security is one of my waterloos...
[04:19] <Jucato> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesudo/+bug/146562
[04:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146562 in kdesudo "default sudo timeouts too long. Potential risks from gui pov. (dup-of: 132456)" [Undecided,New] 
[04:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132456 in kdesudo "User account 'remembers' admin password" [High,Triaged] 
[04:20] <Jucato> hehe ok...
[04:20] <Jucato> there really is no pleasing people...
[04:22] <DaSkreech> Jucato: You do know everything there is to know!
[04:22] <Jucato> no I don't
[04:22] <Jucato> I apparently don't know what is the right way to do aggregation
[04:25] <DaSkreech> Ha ha What do you know about aggregation?
[04:27] <DaSkreech> Jucato: What's your vision of perfect aggregation?
[04:27] <Jucato> nothing. I don't claim to know perfection at all
[04:28] <DaSkreech> I don't either :) I just know what I like
[04:28] <Jucato> that's a different matter then
[04:29] <DaSkreech> I think once you accept your earlier statement then you realize perfection is either relative or nonexistent once details are brought in
[04:29] <Jucato> hm.. totally weird.. I seem to have lost some of my systray icons.... and can't bring them back...
[04:29] <Jucato> by essence, perfection isn't relative. it is absolute
[04:30] <DaSkreech> In essence yes
[04:30] <DaSkreech> in details no
[04:31] <Jucato> then it is not perfection. but an imperfection...
[04:31] <Jucato> where is my korgainzer daemon? O.o
[04:31] <DaSkreech> absolutely
[06:37] <Riddell> DaSkreech: pong
[06:38] <Jucato> moin Riddell! :)
[06:39] <Jucato> you're up a bit early :)
[06:40] <Riddell> like all good geeks I like to be up before 6 in the morning to get the most out of the day
[06:40] <DaSkreech> Riddell: I was asking if the invite to upgrade was to test packages or "user experience"
[06:40] <Riddell> DaSkreech: it's to know if the upgrade works or breaks your system
[06:41] <DaSkreech> So user experience
[06:42] <DaSkreech> nixternal warned me off of it :)
[06:42] <Jucato> we won't know what's wrong until we try right?
[06:42] <Jucato> it's bound for a repartition anyway...
[06:42] <DaSkreech> I'll wait till the known problem packages get fixed then I'll toss my hat into the altar
[06:43] <Jucato> I'm claiming an addition 10-20GB from my sister's windows partition
[06:43] <DaSkreech> Make sure you metaphors are well mixed before adding the batter
[06:45] <Jucato> DaSkreech: mattr changed his mind. we're going to see Kopete in 4.0 (hopefully)
[06:45] <DaSkreech> I heard the hope earlier
[06:45] <DaSkreech> as I said I'm at peace with that now
[06:45] <DaSkreech>  I see 4.0 as a public beta
[06:46] <DaSkreech> What with no printing and all
[06:46] <Jucato> we can still hope for printing...
[06:46] <Jucato> Riddell: by any chance, would you happen to know if/where aseigo kept slides he used in Tenerife?
[06:55] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Point is I don't hope for it be a silencer of doubters
[07:11] <Stecchino> I just had my xsession crash while running adept-manager. It was just starting configuration phase, downloads were finished.
[07:56] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Ping
[07:57] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech :)
[07:57] <DaSkreech> Hallo
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Riddell: You may want to proof read the fridge article you have a line that starts "Jonathan about Kubuntu Gutsy "
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Jucato: That's pretty funny looking
[08:02] <Jucato> DaSkreech: what is?
[08:02] <DaSkreech> Onion
[08:02] <Jucato> ah heh :)
[08:03] <DaSkreech> What's the sharing thing you were talking about?
[08:04] <Jucato> DaSkreech: you can just tell them to get the theme from KDE-Look or from Get New Themes :)
[08:04] <Jucato> or if you made/have one, you can just send them around
[08:04] <DaSkreech> From in kopete?
[08:05] <Jucato> Send File... themes are in .tar.gz right?
[08:05] <Jucato> not exactly automated though... :)
[08:05] <DaSkreech> Oh I thought you meant some magic button siince you brought up Yahoo
[08:05] <Jucato> but the "Get New Themes" is in Kopete
[08:10] <DaSkreech> I love GHNS
[08:11] <DaSkreech> Kopete in pointoh will be a nice boon
[08:53] <Hobbsee> Jucato: how good are you at menu's stuff?
[08:53] <Jucato> what kind of menus?
[08:54] <Hobbsee> Jucato: thinking of fixing https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebluetooth/+bug/78155
[08:54] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 78155 in kdebluetooth "fd.o compliant *.desktop files" [Undecided,New] 
[08:54] <Jucato> oh .desktop files...
[08:54] <Jucato> not really knowledgeable of any fd.o related thing :(
[08:55] <Jucato> sorry Hobbsee :(
[08:55] <Hobbsee> darn.  that means that maybe i'll have to think about it.
[10:12] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you around?
[11:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hi
[11:02] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: dont worry, i fixed it.
[11:02] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: when's a good meeting time for you?
[11:03] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: by 10 PM
[11:03] <Tonio_> 9 PM UTC
[11:03] <Tonio_> something like this
[11:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: OK.  as in, from what time, up until 10pm?
[11:05] <Hobbsee> oh, 9pm utc.  right
[11:05] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: fyi I'm just fixing kds to use easylist for adblock
[11:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: great, thanks :)
[11:14] <Jucato> Tonio_: the author of kdmtheme just released a new version. he says it's much nicer to work with (300+ vs 500+ lines). _StefanS_ might be interested in using that instead (if there's still time?)
[11:15] <Tonio_> Jucato: hum, interesting, let's test
[11:15] <Tonio_> Jucato: okay I'll do the package so that we all can test
[11:15] <Tonio_>  ;)
[11:15] <Jucato> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/download.php?content=22120&id=1
[11:18] <Tonio_> Jucato: I hope it is just not too late, for a new version
[11:18] <Jucato> that's what I was worried about too
[11:19] <Jucato> the 300+ lines really got me sold though. much easier for Stefan
[11:19] <Jucato> heheh
[11:20] <Jucato> the author said that it's sort of a backport of kdmtheme from KDE 4, so it's much cleaner. and kdmtheme has been merged with kdm in kde4
[11:20] <Tonio_> yep I can figure out this :)
[11:20] <Tonio_> well I'll upload and we'll see hat happens....
[11:20] <Tonio_> what's the status of universe apps ?
[11:20] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: is the feature freeze actually concerning universe ?
[11:21] <Jucato> we could probably make an excuse that it has to be patched anyway to make it work with the new kdm settings :P
[11:22] <Tonio_> Jucato: haha ;)
[11:22] <Tonio_> Jucato: package currently building here
[11:23] <Jucato> oh good one of the bluetooth brothers is here...
[11:24] <Jucato> and the kdesudo guy too :)
[11:24] <Jucato> boy do I have questions for you :P
[11:24] <Jucato> Tonio_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebluetooth/+bug/146337
[11:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146337 in kdebluetooth "[gutsy]  package libkbluetooth0 1.0~beta7-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libqobex.so.0.0.9', which is also in package qobex" [High,Triaged] 
[11:24] <Jucato> just confirming, remove qobex to get around that?
[11:26] <Jucato> didn't we get kdesudo in order to fix the bug of kdesu not remembering passwords? :)
[11:28] <Tonio_> Jucato: beta8 is out and in the repos
[11:28] <Tonio_> Jucato: is the bug still there with beta8 ?
[11:28] <Jucato> one person said that the same problem happens
[11:28] <Tonio_> Jucato: fyi beta8 changes the obex protocol so it might fix the issue
[11:29] <Jucato> ok. well gonna upgrade my laptop now
[11:29] <Jucato> so we'll see :)
[11:29] <Tonio_> Jucato: kdebluetooth beta is there for a while so I'm a bit surprised I must say, nobody complained till now
[11:29] <Jucato> iirc Stefan mentioned it. but not sure whether it was beta7 or beta8 he was referring to
[11:30] <Tonio_> Jucato: in fact qobex is coming with the old kdebluetooth package..... I suspect those guys are just upgrading from feisty
[11:30] <Tonio_> that may explain
[11:30] <Jucato> a lot of guys will be upgrading from feisty :)
[11:31] <Jucato> let's see.. not going to remove qobex
[11:31] <Tonio_> hum we have to put a conflict there :)
[11:31] <Jucato> conflict of interest... :)
[11:34] <Jucato> rawr feisty updates getting in the way :P
[11:34] <Jucato> Tonio_: wanna hear the kdesudo bug? although it's not really something with kdesudo (again)
[11:35] <Tonio_> Jucato: those are sudo bugs
[11:36] <Tonio_> Jucato: in fact some people have crappy sudo installation, probably outdated and coming from dapper or so
[11:36] <Jucato> Tonio_: yeah. but this one is funny. someone was actually complaining that kdesu now remembers passwords :)
[11:36] <Tonio_> Jucato: we can't really do something concerning this, especially since kdesudo really closes lots of bugs generated by kdesu
[11:36] <Tonio_> Jucato: sure, but that's just sudo again :)
[11:37] <Jucato> yeah. it's just ironic.. people complaining kdesu not remembering passwords.. now people complaining that it does
[11:37] <Jucato> bug 146337
[11:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146337 in kdebluetooth "[gutsy]  package libkbluetooth0 1.0~beta7-0ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libqobex.so.0.0.9', which is also in package qobex" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146337
[11:37] <Jucato> er sorry
[11:37] <Jucato> lol
[11:38] <Jucato> bug 146562
[11:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146562 in kdesudo "default sudo timeouts too long. Potential risks from gui pov. (dup-of: 132456)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146562
[11:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132456 in kdesudo "User account 'remembers' admin password" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/132456
[11:38] <Jucato> at least the suggestion now is to reduce the time for remembering passwords... or make a popup or whatever :)
[11:43] <Tonio_> Jucato: new kdmtheme package is done, uploading, we'll see what happens.....
[11:43] <Jucato> kool
[11:46] <Tonio_> did those guys ever use sudo ?
[11:47] <Tonio_> cause all of their troubles are reproducibles with sudo everytime
[11:47] <Tonio_> I'm a bit surprised on that point I must say
[11:47] <Jucato> I guess what he's worried about is that normal users would be less likely to run commands using sudo than start programs that require sudo
[11:47] <Jucato> GUI programs
[11:48] <Jucato> but yeah, it's kinda ridiculous... you should ask mneptok, he was there in #kubuntu during the great debate
[11:54] <Tonio_> jcastro: weren't we supposed to talk about the openweek ? :)
[12:35] <Tonio_> GRMPF !!!!!!!!!
[12:35] <Tonio_> how is that possible ?????
[12:35] <Tonio_> I apt-get source kdebluetooth, then change the control file, fill changelog, and reupload, nothing else
[12:36] <Tonio_> upload is rejected due to "md5sum mismatch"
[12:36] <Jucato> O.o
[12:40] <Sime> strigi is running constantly here on my upgraded gutsy... ;-/
[12:41] <Tonio_> ah :) hobbsee already uploaded, that explains :)
[12:41] <Jucato> ah beloved strigi :)
[12:41] <Tonio_> Sime: yeah we know, we'll probably look at removing strigi for final release
[12:41] <Tonio_> Sime: that's a well known problem, it uses 90% cpu all the time....
[12:42] <Tonio_> according to upstream, using cpu is not bad as long as it doesn't make the computer slow (hiw own words)
[12:42] <Tonio_> I suspect that guy doesn't use a laptop......
[12:42] <Jucato> lol
[12:42] <Sime> hehe
[12:42] <Sime> I just don't know what it is doing.
[12:42] <Tonio_> Sime: no idea......
[12:42] <Sime> It has run all night.
[12:43] <Jucato> trying to index probably?
[12:43] <Sime> it must be a bug
[12:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah, that'll do it.
[12:43] <Sime> 15hours??
[12:43] <Jucato> lol
[12:43] <Jucato> yeah bug
[12:43] <Sime> and still going!?
[12:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yes, it is.
[12:43] <Sime> I've got kde4 svn on here.
[12:43] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: (FF)
[12:43] <Sime> so I don't expect it to be fast at the start.
[12:43] <Sime> but 15 hours???!
[12:45] <Tonio_> just that the point is that scanning with 90% of cpu is good as long as it make it fast to scan the datas
[12:45] <Tonio_> I can understand why scanning 3 GB of datas creates a 2 GB index, and seem to scan forever
[12:45] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well I uploaded, we'll see what happens
[12:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you got the md5sum mismatch.  mine will have been taken
[12:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we need the new kdmtheme to easilly fix a big bug -> application fails to set the kdm theme :)
[12:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: sounds fine
[12:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: (pls upload)
[12:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yep, look like we did about the same time :)
[12:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: but launchpad is a gentleman, women are given priority :)
[12:47] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you're supposed to do the proper UVFe, btw :P
[12:47] <Hobbsee> haha ;)
[12:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yeah gonna do it :)
[12:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: isn't upstream version freeze removed ?
[12:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I saw pitty email yesterday
[12:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what's important is freeture freeze now no ?
[12:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah - but new features are still covered.
[12:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i dont think universe has changed, yet, actually
[12:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well there is no much new feature in fact
[12:48] <Hobbsee> no one told the motu-uvf team about it - it's not been discussed
[12:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well atm the upload is gone, let's see what happens, and I'll ping Daniel in case of problem with it ;)
[12:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: upload was accepted by soyouz atm
[12:49] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: of course it was.
[12:49] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: we dont hardlock the uploads
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i trust you to not be on crack - but i dont trust some of our MOTU's, which is why everyone is supposed to follow the process, at least to some respect.
[12:50] <Hobbsee> (where i is the motu-uvf team)
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: because then we shoot those who do upload crakc, against the freezes.
[12:51] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: so I'm taking the risk to be shooted ? :)
[12:52] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: not really, but we'd prefer to avoid the people whining "well, you let them do it, why cant we do it too?"
[12:52] <Tonio_> okay so I'll take care of anyfurther upload then, you're right on that point
[12:52] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i know it's a pain.
[12:53] <Hobbsee> and i have plans to remove the uvf team in hardy+1, i think.
[12:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: no, it's just respecting the rules, I understand that
[12:53] <Hobbsee> but, for now...
[12:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: just that I thought the UVF process was gone due to pitti yesterday's email
[12:53] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: still fits in feature freeze, i think.  i havent been watching mail
[12:53] <Tonio_> and that whaat was important was just the feature and api/abi breaking things
[12:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: no new feature, just code cleaning, which'll help _StefanS_ fixing the code to work against our patched kdm
[12:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that's why according the yesterday's email it just souned reasonnable for me to upload this :)
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: cool :)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: motu-uvf needs to be all made aware of that change.  no idea if they are or not
[12:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: as you know the universe process more than I do actually, I'll ping you before any other upload :)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> ideally they all read u-a...but...we know that not all do
[12:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: about pitty email ?
[12:55] <Hobbsee> yeah
[12:55] <Tonio_> no idea, but I suspect Daniel and pitti already discussed together
[12:55] <Tonio_> otherwise motu-uvf will have problems in the next days
[12:56] <Tonio_> as a lot of people might do like me and upload against the freeze........
[12:58] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it's not up to daniel?
[12:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146691 in ubuntu-restricted-extras "ubuntu-restricted-extras install jack" [Undecided,New] 
[01:14] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hehe, some people consider any change as a bug
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: it hasnt changed in ages...
[01:14] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: like the kdesudo one says "SECURITY PROBLEM, kdesudo remembers my password !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
[01:15] <nosrednaekim> haha... there was a two hour long flame about that last night.
[01:15] <Tonio_> yep, my friend, as sudo does and it seems logic than kdesudo uses............. sudo as a backend :)
[01:15] <Tonio_> about what ? jack ?
[01:15] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: haha, yeah
[01:15] <Tonio_> mouarv ;)
[01:15] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: what about?
[01:15] <nosrednaekim> kdesudo.
[01:15] <Tonio_> mouarv
[01:15] <Hobbsee> oh
[01:15] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: here ?
[01:15] <nosrednaekim> no, over at the main channel.
[01:16] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: well I know and I see there are problems against kdesudo, but most of the time they are sudo problems, not kdesudo ones
[01:16] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: #kubuntu ?
[01:16] <nosrednaekim> and alot of times they are just personal preferences as well. Yeah, #kubuntu
[01:17] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: I can't see anything in the logs.....
[01:17] <nosrednaekim> at about 10:00 eastern time.
[01:17] <nosrednaekim> that would be about 2 GMT
[01:17] <Jucato> Tonio_: try grepping to the time when mneptok was talking
[01:18] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: heh... did you see? the kopete developer is asking for help.
[01:18] <Jucato> nope
[01:19] <nosrednaekim> yeah...he wants it out for KDE4.http://matt.rogers.name/blog/2007/09/28/who-wants-to-be-a-kopete-developer/
   people are funny.. when kdeus acted like su and didn't save passwords, it was complained as a bug.. now that kdesudo is there that does it, it's still being complained as a bug
[01:19] <Tonio_> Jucato is right
[01:19] <Tonio_> I see no problem in kdesudo working as sudo does
[01:20] <Jucato> nosrednaekim: ah ok. thought you meant asking for help in #kubuntu
[01:20] <Tonio_> btw the password caching is done by sudo, not kdesudo, so WTF is the problem ?
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> no. but I noticed you blogged about it, so I thought you might be interested.
      but then all of them also want their boxes secure
[01:20] <Tonio_> Jucato: to that you should have answer : don't use the fuckin' sudo at all !!!!!!!!!
[01:20] <nosrednaekim> Tonio_: there will always be a problem... :) no matter what you do you will not be able to please EVERYONE
[01:21] <nosrednaekim> followed by an !ohmy
[01:21] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[01:21] <Tonio_> nosrednaekim: sure but I don't understand what the problem is for those guys that sudo caches the password -> ok kdesudo does the same -> problem
[01:21] <Tonio_> they can use the non-caching sudo mode and that's it
[01:21] <lucas_> Hi, is there something integrated to kde  to handle hp printers card reader ?
[01:22] <lucas_> Hi remember that it was mounted once
      Jucato: I could send you a .desktop file over the net that could kdesudo rm -rf /
[01:22] <Tonio_> LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
[01:22] <lucas_> But no it s not and I m forced to use hptooltip
[01:23] <Jucato> Tonio_: :)
[01:23] <Tonio_> I can send a .desktop file on the net that just bash sudo rm -rf /
[01:23] <Tonio_> if the guy ever used sudo in it's session, it'll do the same
[01:23] <Tonio_> that's just a stupid comment
[01:23] <Tonio_> and the funny thing is that nobody complains about gksudo that does EXACTLY the same as kdesudo
[01:24] <Tonio_> well no need to say that's just stupid.......
[01:25] <Tonio_> a user that is stupid enough to click on a desktop file he doesn't know should be in the admi group, and therefore not have sudo permissions :)
[01:25] <Tonio_> and that's it :)
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> amen.
[02:42] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you suck.
[02:42] <nosredna_ekim> 0.o
[02:42] <Hobbsee> nixternal: please dont commit uncompiling stuff to the repos.  see http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9585156/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-powerpc.kdebase_4%3A3.5.7-1ubuntu24_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz and other arches.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> s/uncompiling/non-compiling/
[02:43] <Hobbsee> (that includes bzr)
[03:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: did you apply buildprep ?
[03:17] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sometimes required as we have lots of patches that touch makefiles :)
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: as in, sudo make -f debian/rules buildprep?  yes.
[03:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I use fakeroot instead but yes
[03:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum but there the patch seems to concern a c++ code error
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yes, that was my thought.
[03:18] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: is one of the patches you changed touching konqueror ?
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: and it's from nixternal
[03:18] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no, it's nixternal's doc stuff, i think.
[03:18] <Tonio_> seems that one of those patches is invalid
[03:19] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yep, there is probably something going wrong there
[03:19] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: want me to have a look at the source package ?
[03:19] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: was going to let nixternal look at it - seeing as it is his code.
[03:19] <Tonio_> 4 eyes are more efficient than 2 :)
[03:20] <Tonio_> mouarf :)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: if you want something to track down, perhaps look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/135084
[03:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135084 in kdebase "Kicker adds _: Entries in K-menu: to certain programs" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[03:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: wow, that's fucked up :)
[03:26] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah.  and i dont get it, either.
[03:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: btw, I don't think there can be any fix to that problem
[03:26] <Hobbsee> oh?
[03:26] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: 95% chances the issue is within an existing account
[03:28] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: this was on the live cd too.
[03:28] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hum problem on the livecd seems different, as the icons are duplicated
[03:29] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: btw, I tested the livecd and discovered the issue, but no problem on the system once installed within the cd
[03:29] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: so hard to say what's going wrong
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: right
[03:29] <Tonio_> I'd be interested to know what happens when those guys delete ~/.kde/share/config/kmenueditrc
[03:30] <Hobbsee> ask freeflying when he comes in
[03:31] <Tonio_> also removing ~/.local/menu would be interesting
[03:31] <Tonio_> appart from that, maybe the issue can be linked to one specific locale
[03:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: most people use the default on the livecd, and then choose the locale to use on the local system
[03:32] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: see what I mean ? that would explain the difference between the live and locale session
[03:32] <Hobbsee> true
[03:32] <Tonio_> maybe something broken in the EN_us locale or something
[03:32] <Hobbsee> it's already been a copule of locales - because that was my first guess
[03:32] <Tonio_> that's my thought at the moment
[03:32] <Tonio_> let's comment on the bug
[03:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: found the kdebase bug issue
[03:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee:
[03:39] <Tonio_> +      .arg( i18n( "About Kubuntu" ) )
[03:39] <Tonio_> +      .arg( i18n( "<a href=\"help:/kubuntu/">Kubuntu Documentation</a>" ) )
[03:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: second line a " should be antislashed
[03:39] <Tonio_> \"
[03:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ahhh...
[03:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: testing the build here and reuploading if succeeded
[03:40] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: great, thanks
[03:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll have to go for a moment today, so if you don't see the upload, don't mind, I'll upload tomorrow morning or at midnight :)
[03:40] <Hobbsee> ok
[03:58] <manchicken> Lots of updates today.
[03:59] <manchicken> Although I haven't updated for a few days I suppose.
[04:08] <aplg|mobile> hm
[04:09] <aplg|mobile> zeroconf enable option broken due to missing enable script -.-
[04:09] <aplg|mobile> I don't like merges which break features
[05:23] <nixternal> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9585156/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-powerpc.kdebase_4%3A3.5.7-1ubuntu24_FAILEDTOBUILD. manchick~
[05:25] <nixternal> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9585156/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-powerpc.kdebase_4%3A3.5.7-1ubuntu24_FAILEDTOBUILD. freeflyi~
[05:25] <Jucato> O.o
[05:26] <gnomefreak> nixternal: yes PPA if borked if thats what that is
[05:26] <gnomefreak> that looks like repo builds though
[05:26] <gnomefreak> nixternal: i get 404 errors on both of those
[05:29] <nixternal> err
[05:29] <nixternal> I was using stupid putty
[05:29] <nixternal> and I am used to right clicking to copy
[05:30] <gnomefreak> putty :(
[05:31] <nixternal> ya, fsck was doing it 30 mount thing and I couldn't wait :)
[05:31] <nixternal> Hobbsee: did you fix the about patch yet?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> nixternal: Tonio_ did
[05:31] <nixternal> nope, I am on it
[05:31] <nixternal> err
[05:31] <nixternal> it hasn't been uploaded yet then
[05:31] <Hobbsee> it has
[05:32] <Hobbsee> probably hasnt built yet
[05:32] <nixternal> sorry, I meant uploaded to bzr
[05:32] <nixternal> 25 has been uploaded, but it has FTBS as well
[05:33] <Hobbsee> heh, oh dear
[05:33] <Hobbsee> chroot problem, or real problem?
[05:33] <nixternal> looking now
[05:34] <nixternal> hppa FTBS on ubuntu25
[05:35] <Hobbsee> hppa is in a bad way anyway.  we dont care.
[09:47] <fdoving> why do i have 60 instances of /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon running?
[09:47] <fdoving> do they do anything usefull?
[10:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey, thanks for fixing the deps for kdebluetooth, I sort of missed that
[10:13] <nixternal> new KNetworkMangler out for NM 0.7
[10:20] <_StefanS_> nixternal: yep it contains a few fixes
[10:21] <_StefanS_> nixternal: maybe we should package it
[10:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ^?
[10:25] <fdoving> i feel knetworkmanager is wrong with the new rightclick-thing.
[10:27] <fdoving> the primary function (Selecting networks) should be on leftclick.
[10:28] <DaSkreech> We are shipping with the new 0.7 Knetworkmanger/
[10:28] <DaSkreech> ?
[10:28] <DaSkreech> Sweet
[11:12] <Riddell> DaSkreech: nixternal was supposed to proof read the article
[11:12] <Riddell> tsk tsk
[11:12] <Riddell> no photo added either
[11:13] <nixternal> what article is that?
[11:15] <jjesse> hello
[11:24] <DaSkreech> the fridge article
[11:29] <nixternal> what did I miss on it?
[11:32] <DaSkreech> Find a sentence that starts with jonathon
[11:34] <Riddell> I fixed one such sentence
[11:35] <Riddell> anyone fancy submitting that article to KDE Dot News
[11:35] <nixternal> better?
[11:35] <nixternal> Jonathan Riddell described the expanding Ubuntu eco-system as well as the many different distributions based on Kubuntu including Linux MCE, mEDUXa and many others.
[11:37] <Riddell> nixternal: sillest problem with fridge I've discovered is you can't add an author it doesn't have an account for
[11:37] <Riddell> so that article can't be written by augustin, it has to be me or anonymous
[11:37] <nixternal> I was wondering why your name wasn't present in the write up of that
[11:37] <Riddell> it wasn't written by me
[11:37] <nixternal> ahhh
[11:37] <nixternal> OK, I see what you are getting at
[11:37] <nixternal> that is supposed to change
[11:38] <nixternal> when? your guess is as good as mine...I personally am getting tired of the promises that never get fulfilled with it
[11:38] <Riddell> (actually that's the second sillyest, most silly is not being able to submit articles without being an editor)
[11:38] <nixternal> that is another promise I have yet to see
[11:38] <Riddell> we have the same problem with the Dot, only 1 guy has access to the software running it and he doesn't have time to maintain it much
[11:39] <nixternal> I am starting to think the fridge is useless except for hosting meeting times and dates
[11:39] <DaSkreech> Sounds like a call to write a better dot!
[11:39] <nixternal> the amount of readers have been cut by more than half this time last year
[11:39] <Riddell> well that's why I posted this article there, it's about the first non-fridge editor written article I've seen on it
[11:39] <jjesse> do you miss anything if you don't read the fridge?
[11:39] <Riddell> but I wasn't sure it was even on topic
[11:40] <nixternal> I told someone about 6 months ago that I would write articles for the Dot if they needed the help, and I never heard back
[11:40] <Riddell> you did?
[11:40] <nixternal> I think I may have responded to a request sent out by sebas possibly
[11:40] <Riddell> mm, you probably responded to kde-promo, which alas I don't have time to read
[11:40] <nixternal> ahhh
[11:40] <nixternal> that is exactly where it went, I am positive
[11:41] <nixternal> ya, I would rather write for the Dot than the fridge honestly...at least the Dot has readers
[11:42] <Riddell> please do.  but it kindae takes someone to decide what to write about
[11:42] <Riddell> since that is half the way to writing an article
[11:42] <Riddell> nixternal: how about we get you on the dot-editors mailing list
[11:42] <Riddell> then you can comment and make suggestions on stories people submit
[11:42] <nixternal> is it open? if so I will join it right now
[11:42] <nixternal> ahh, OK
[11:42] <jjesse> nixternal: are there any mailing lists you aren't on?
[11:42] <Riddell> it's super secret
[11:42] <nixternal> ahh, super duper secret
[11:43] <Riddell> before long you can become a proper dot editor with access to the website
[11:43] <nixternal> jjesse: I have started cutting back on some lists
[11:43] <nixternal> mainly *buntu lists though
[11:43] <Riddell> nixternal: please send me an e-mail saying you'd be interested in helping with the dot, I'll forward it to the right dude
[11:43] <nixternal> will do that right now
[11:44] <nixternal> jjesse: are you doing your dist-upgrade in a chroot or something? I have only seen the language errors in a chroot
[11:44] <jjesse> nixternal: nope, standard load on my dell laptop
[11:44] <nixternal> hrmm
[11:44] <nixternal> export LC_ALL=C
[11:44] <nixternal> then try it
[11:44] <jjesse> had serious problems via update-manager
[11:45] <nixternal> I did a dist-upgrade this morning and it ran through fine
[11:45] <nixternal> I had perl issues last night when I tried it, as well as udev and volumeid errors
[11:45] <jjesse> cool that export worked
[11:45] <nixternal> ya, I set that in my chroots to fix that issue
[11:45] <jjesse> hmmm
[11:46] <jjesse> nope still getting some erros
[11:46] <jjesse> pastebin.ca/720032
[11:47] <jjesse> eading package lists... Done
[11:47] <jjesse> Building dependency tree
[11:47] <jjesse> Reading state information... Done
[11:47] <jjesse> Reading extended state information
[11:47] <jjesse> Initializing package states... Done
[11:47] <jjesse> doh
[11:47] <jjesse> sorry bout that
[11:47] <jjesse> http://pastebin.ca/720032
[11:50] <nixternal> sent
[11:50] <nixternal> jjesse: sudo apt-get -f install
[11:50] <nixternal> see if that fixes some deps
[11:52] <jjesse> nope still having problems w/ kubutnu-dekstop acpid acpi-support powermanagement-interface
[11:52] <nixternal> umm, didn't we already release "Beta"?
[11:53] <jjesse> what do you mean?  i thought the beta was out?
[11:53] <nixternal> ya, check the ubuntu-doc list
[11:53] <jjesse> somethings pecific?
[11:55] <nixternal> ya, a canonical employee sent an email to the list with the first line reading...
[11:55] <nixternal> The Gutsy Beta release is a day away, and so it's time to collect our
[11:55] <nixternal> thoughts and tell our users all about it this shiny new release.
[11:55] <nixternal> nevermind
[11:55] <nixternal> must have gotten caught up in the filters and was just let through
[11:55] <jjesse> ah
[11:55] <nixternal> it was from Wednesday
[11:55] <jjesse> i saw that it was dated older
[11:57] <nixternal> Riddell: sent that email out to you
[11:57] <nixternal> this client/server stuff is absolutely insane
[11:57] <jjesse> in class on a saturday?  that sucks
[11:57] <nixternal> no no
[11:57] <nixternal> I am doing my homework
[11:58] <nixternal> since I was out of class this whole week
[11:58] <nixternal> I finished C++ homework on recursion and algorithms already...that was a fun one
[12:00] <jjesse> hmmm gmail is super slow w/ konqi on guutys
[12:08] <DaSkreech> Can I do a negative search in less?
[12:15] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: what do you mean negative search?
[12:15] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: less just pipes it to fit on screen
[12:15] <DaSkreech> I want to search for any lines that Don't have the pattern
[12:15] <DaSkreech> Yeah but you can hit / and then search for things
[12:16] <gnomefreak> not really i dont even think grep allows you to do that
[12:16] <DaSkreech> grep does
[12:16] <DaSkreech>  grep -v
[12:16] <DaSkreech> grep --inverse
[12:16] <gnomefreak> use example : find bleh | grep -v bleh <if any> | less
[12:17] <gnomefreak> you should beable to pass | 2 times
[12:17] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know but the pattern I'm looking for is being picked up by grep as a regexp
[12:17] <gnomefreak> learned it a couple of months ago
[12:17] <gnomefreak> hmmmm
[12:18] <DaSkreech> gnomefreak: It's bloody great :)
[12:18] <gnomefreak> maybe its the string your using?
[12:18] <gnomefreak> try it with something simple
[12:18] <DaSkreech> Yeah it is but the string can double as a regexp
[12:19] <gnomefreak> thats what im thinking is why its outputing like that maybe
[12:19] <DaSkreech> I want to delete all .exe files from a box but I want ot make sure no unix files turn up in the search
[12:20] <DaSkreech> i'm grepping for exe$ but I wanna double check the list to make sure nothing slips through
[12:21] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: unix .exe file on unix bax for windows?
[12:21] <gnomefreak> unix doesnt use .exe as any file ending
[12:21] <DaSkreech> Unix filesystem with windows virii
[12:22] <gnomefreak> ok maybe than but still my law == .exe its garbage no matter what :)
[12:23] <DaSkreech> Yeah but this is from two folders that were mapped to a windows network which then got massively infected which deposited a lovely number of .exe files through the file system
[12:23] <DaSkreech> So yeah garbage
[12:25] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: windows should have only used one dir?
[12:25] <gnomefreak> or more than one
[12:25] <DaSkreech> What?
[12:25] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: you have .exe files on a ubuntu box right?
[12:25] <gnomefreak> those are what you want gone?
[12:26] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[12:26] <gnomefreak> example using the .exe under wine they should all be in one place
[12:26] <DaSkreech> Redhat but principle is the same :)
[12:28] <gnomefreak> whats redhat ;)
[12:28] <gnomefreak> since linux cant do anything with the .exe without an emulater than you shouldnt worry too much
[12:29] <gnomefreak> in theory
[12:29] <DaSkreech> when was the last time unix people worried about a virus? :)
[12:29] <DaSkreech> I'm worried about the poor saps who keep mounting this drive
[12:29] <DaSkreech> Serial reinfector
[12:30] <gnomefreak> DaSkreech: people worry all the time but the viruses almost never make it out of lab :)
[12:30] <DaSkreech> Well this one has
[12:32] <DaSkreech> I'll just look through it manually :*(
[12:34] <gnomefreak> sorry helping people with bugs