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thomas__fkm: um i just finished a webpage though12:42
thomas__fkm: a really easy one though12:42
webulator70ardchoille you there or afk?12:43
thomas__fkm: i know basic html and can write it, but this xhtml validation crap is messing me up thats why i have problems...otherwise i would be able to put up a page12:43
fkmthomas__, If it's done, leave it as is and after you've learned strict, you can still then rewrite the one you've just done12:43
fkmWell, XHTML isn't as hard12:44
thomas__oh you mean its really different12:44
fkm<img/> instead of <img>, and so on12:44
thomas__i c12:44
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fkmBut strict and transitorial make the real difference12:44
webulator70is anyone else for that matter able to help me with nvidia stuff?12:44
thomas__fkm: ahh good to know didn't know12:44
fkmno <font>, no <ul start="6">, no <b> and <i>12:45
fkmhi niyado12:45
thomas__fkm: yes theres i isn't there12:45
niyadoal fin tengo instalado el compiz fusion12:45
niyadopero tengo una pregunta12:45
thomas__fkm: o well i have <i> tags12:45
NickPresta!br | niyado12:45
ubotuniyado: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.12:45
fkmniyado, English please. And I guess you search for #compiz-fusion12:45
niyadono soy brazile~o12:45
niyadosoy Puerto Rico12:45
NickPresta!pr | niyado12:45
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about pr - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi12:46
niyadook sorry12:46
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fkmthomas__, let's use the offtopic channel12:46
niyadoso i go to compiz-fusion12:46
niyadobye bye12:46
NickPresta!es | niyado12:46
ubotuniyado: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.12:46
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niyadomuchas gracias bye bye12:46
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monte48loweshello. has anyone had troubles upgrading to gutsy?12:50
wvalterstried today , but repositories were sort of unresponsive12:51
intelikey/join #ubuntu+112:51
wvalterssame for you?12:51
monte48lowesthe download is rather large, almost 2GB12:51
wvaltersyeah, but I could not even get the headers to come across12:51
wvaltersprobably busy as all hell too12:51
monte48lowesadept did not automatically start the upgrade process12:52
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monte48lowesI will wait a couple of days and try again12:52
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wvaltersim thinking ovenight on sunday or something as well12:52
monte48lowesyes, sometime when I don't have to sit here and watch the scrolling bar go by12:52
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intelikeyat this rate about another two hours...12:56
jarkkoHello, there seems to something fishy going on. When upgrading from feisty to gutsy I had to reinstall programs to get them working. One example is openoffice calc was segfaulting, but oowriter was ok.. very funny.12:56
carlosi wanna configurate extra monitor12:56
carlosi have intel video card12:56
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carlossomebody help me?12:56
ubotuInformation about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama12:56
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jarkkooocalc: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker: Assertion `_dl_ debug_initialize (0, args->nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed!12:57
ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+112:57
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jarkkoafter sudo apt-get install --reinstall openoffice.org-calc it worked ok.. funny12:57
intelikeyfunny ?12:58
carlosbut, i use xorg?12:58
carloscan i configurate as a X11?12:58
intelikeycarlos the configs for X11 and xorg are enterchangable12:59
carloscan i configurate it as X1112:59
carlosok, thakn you12:59
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MinatakuI much prefer "Gassy Giraffe"12:59
MinatakuOr perhaps "Grabby Gorilla"12:59
intelikeyyour config is  /etc/X11/xorg.conf  carlos12:59
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intelikeygrumpy goose01:00
intelikeygiddy gopher01:01
intelikeymousey Minataku   :)01:01
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MinatakuThough I'd consider myself more of a cat than a mouse01:04
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MinnozzMy network keeps failing, and I have no idea what to do against it. The error message is syslog is 'IRQ 17: nobody cared'01:06
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MinatakuThat's not good01:08
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mez_Hi, just upgraded to gutsy. My cd is constantly being probed. I see evms_activate is being run all the time by udev. dmesg shows: "device-mapdevice-mapper: table: 254:1: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed".  Anything I should look at?per: ioctl: error adding target to table" and "01:08
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MinnozzWhat does 'IRQ xx: nobody cared' actually mean?01:09
tim I was having problems with warcardt 3 running slow ON wine and sombody gave me a registry fix for that i did it and it worked nice...........but i fogot it and can't fidn it any more01:10
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mez_Ok, got it...01:11
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MinatakuMinnozz: The kernel experienced a serious error regarding that interrupt01:11
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MinnozzMinataku: Does this mean anything to you? It's the whole error message http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=rawpaste&p=103401:14
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MinatakuMinnozz: Yeah, something is up with that card01:15
MinatakuFollow the suggestion, boot with the irqpoll option01:15
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MinnozzHow can I do that?01:15
MinatakuWhy it's causing your networking to fail is probably because this ATA card is on the same interrupt as 1701:15
MinatakuWhich may actually be the issue, they may not like IRQ sharing01:16
MinnozzI don't know much of those things, is it possible to change on which IRQ they are?01:16
MinatakuYeah, one of those drivers, quite possibly the sky2 driver, doesn't want to share01:17
intelikeyMinnozz only you bios can answer that01:17
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Minnozzintelikey: I've seen a whole list of IRQ's in my bios, they are all set to 'assing to pci' iirc01:18
MinatakuI'm intrigued now... I don't quite know what the message means exactly01:18
intelikeyMinnozz try adjusting the irq 17 and see if it helps01:18
Minnozzintelikey: I think I can only disable them, will that do anything good?01:19
intelikeytry it and see.01:19
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MinatakuAh, I see it01:19
MinatakuIt's in /usr/src/linux/kernel/irq/spurious.c01:20
MinatakuIt's when there's a spurious interrupt01:20
MinatakuWhat happens is that something asserts an interrupt line, then nothing on that line answers it01:20
MinatakuThe kernel looks, and when all the devices say "No, it wasn't me", the kernel disabled the IRQ as bad01:21
intelikeycorrect    irq 17 called.  but "nobody cares"   i.e. unanswered01:21
Minnozzaaah that makes sense01:21
MinatakuAh, here it is01:21
MinatakuIf there's an immense number of failures01:21
timHow do i force the game to RUn in OPENgl in wine?01:22
MinatakuThe IRQ is disabled, since it's assumed that something is screwed up with it01:22
Minataku * If 99,900 of the previous 100,000 interrupts have not been handled01:22
Minataku * then assume that the IRQ is stuck in some manner. Drop a diagnostic01:22
Minataku * and try to turn the IRQ off.01:22
Minataku * (The other 100-of-100,000 interrupts may have been a correctly01:22
Minataku *  functioning device sharing an IRQ with the failing one)01:22
intelikeyMinnozz i would still advise adjusting it in bios.   and testing.01:23
MinatakuLikely, the ATA card on 17 is conflicting with the network card on 1701:23
MinatakuOne of them, I believe, is hogging the IRQ01:23
timHow do i force the game to RUn in OPENgl in wine?01:24
intelikeyyep.  and possably "fritz"  ???01:24
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MinatakuSo the other device asserts it, and the jerk device says "No, I didn't assert jack, go to hell"01:24
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MinatakuEventually, the kernel has enough of that crap and tells everyone on that line to piss off01:24
intelikeytim doesn't look like anyone in here atm knows.  so try   #wine-hq01:24
intelikeyor is it #winehq01:24
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MinatakuI'm sure either one will get him the same amount of help he got in here01:25
MinatakuNone, that is01:25
MinnozzMinataku: that made it a lot clearer01:25
MinatakuMinnozz: Heehee, yw01:25
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Minnozzthere's one file in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-16/kernel/irq , has that anything to do with it? It's name is 'Makefile'01:26
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MinatakuNothing in there is going to help you01:26
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MinatakuYou need to route the IRQs a different way so that the offending device has it's own IRQ01:26
MinatakuIf you have an APIC, you should be able to route them however you wish01:27
mark_does anyone in here know nothing about computers?01:27
mark_cause i'd like to talk to that person01:27
MinnozzOk, I'll try in the BIOS then01:27
npurcifulhey does anyone know how to extract a iso image commandline with no sudo01:27
Minatakunpurciful: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso01:27
MinnozzMinataku: what's an APIC01:27
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MinatakuMinnozz: Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller01:27
MinatakuFrom what you've told us, your BIOS has an interface to it's routing table01:27
intelikeymark_ that's an oximoron of sorts,  if they are here they are here on a computer01:27
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MinatakuTry putting every device it lists on a different01:28
MinatakuWrite down what it is originally, though01:28
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MinnozzIn the BIOS, I can only chose to disable or assign to PCI, iirc01:28
MinatakuIn case changing it fails worse and you have to set them all back01:28
Minnozzbut I'll check that01:28
npurcifuli was told dd was the wayto go but havent figured it out01:28
mark_oh trust me, i'm here01:28
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Minatakunpurciful: Your user may not have read access to the device01:29
MinatakuIf that's so, then sudo is the only way possible01:29
mark_what does i r c stand for anyway?01:29
Minatakumark_: Please troll someplace else.01:29
Minnozzinternet relay chat01:29
tobiasinternet relay chat01:29
intelikeyinternet relay chat01:29
mark_thank you01:29
tobiasnice answers :)01:29
mark_i'm not trolling dude. i'm new to this stuff, trying to learn01:29
Minnozzat least we agree =)01:29
mark_and btw, i couldn't find someplace else if i tried. this window just poped up01:29
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Minatakumark_: Funny. You don't know what IRC stands for, but you're quite well-versed otherwise.01:30
Minatakumark_: Please troll someplace else.01:30
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MinatakuNice try, though01:30
Minnozzbut I'm rebooting and changing BIOS options now, brb01:30
mark_hold on i'm gonna google troll01:30
MinatakuWell... not really... I spotted it really fast this time01:30
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intelikeymark_ you can join other channels by typing in   /join #ubuntu-offtopic       or what ever the channel name is ...    /join ##windows    for example.01:31
mark_is there a way to get a list of channels so i can choose?01:31
ubotuA list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines01:31
MinatakuHeya, LjLjLjLjLjLjLjL01:31
intelikeymark_ yeah.  but the list on freenoed is long.         /list01:31
intelikeyMinataku turn the reverb down.01:32
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MinatakuI'm just bored, sorry. X301:32
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siimohi anyone running kubuntu dapper still?01:33
MinatakuDapper is LTS01:33
jeremehow can I configure twinview on kubuntu?01:33
MinatakuLong Term Support01:33
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nosrednaekimsiimo: its officially supported, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone running it.01:33
ubotuxinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead01:34
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MinatakuI use Gentoo and NetBSD primarily01:34
nosrednaekimya... I forgot about you intelikey01:34
intelikeyhave one hoary box01:34
jerememmm not xinerama...01:34
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jeremexinerama is slow01:34
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ubotuInformation about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama01:34
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mark_of ffs01:35
nonewmsgsok i learned my lesson about betas, but now how do i downgrade back to feisty01:35
kalorin_man i notice that netscape seems really slow lately01:35
MinatakuFast File System? No, not here. That's a BSD thing.01:35
npurcifulMinataku: it not a device but a ISO Image01:35
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intelikeyMinataku am i lysdexic or is that tokyo ?01:35
Minatakunpurciful: You said you want to dump an ISO, right?01:36
Minatakuintelikey: Kyoto and Tokyo are two different cities01:36
nosrednaekimintelikey: Kyoto is also a city..01:36
MinatakuiNiku: :P01:36
intelikeyok, bad joke.  i'll quit.01:36
MinatakuEr... intelikey (Sorry, iNiku)01:36
npurcifulyeah, extract the iso without mounting it01:36
Minatakunpurciful: Right. You use dd, but you need read access to the CDROM device01:36
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MinatakuIf you can't read from the device, you can't dump the ISO with _anything_01:37
kalorin_did he spell it sdrawkcab?01:37
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npurcifulMinataku: why i have the image already gutsy-alt*.iso01:37
intelikeycorrect' permissions on the device node dictate raw access01:37
Minatakunpurciful: You want to BURN the ISO, then, don't you?01:38
MinatakuWhich way is the data going, from the CD to the HDD or the other way around?01:38
MinatakuAre we taking the data from the CD and putting it into a file on the HDD?01:38
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npurcifulI want the files in the image extracted without sudo access to a folder for rebuilding a image01:38
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JimmyDeeso loop mount the image01:39
MinatakuTo access the files on the CD, it has to be mounted somewhere01:39
mark_so is everyone in here a computer tech?01:39
JimmyDeenot me, I'm a gardener, I just like the geeky talk01:40
MinatakuI'm a Computer Engineer01:40
mark_ah i see01:40
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MinatakuA couple steps above a tech01:40
MinatakuA couple dozen or so01:40
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mark_my roommate's an it guy, so that's how i'm here01:40
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nosrednaekimmark_: i'm 17 and like to ACT that way :)01:41
JimmyDeeengineers make them, technicians fix the engineers problems01:41
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Minatakumark_: Sorry, I thought you were trolling01:41
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MinatakuThough if you ARE, I'll be really mad01:41
mark_mintaku man i didn't know what trolling ment01:41
npurcifulI read that dd could extract the image to files on a HDD01:41
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JimmyDeejust loop mount the image01:41
intelikeyi resemble the remark of being call a "computer tech"    i'm pure g33k through and through,  thank you very much.01:42
mark_nosrednaekim: so shouldn't you be out at a party? it's friday01:42
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nosrednaekimmark_: me?party? haha.01:42
mark_how the fuck do you guys make it red?01:42
nosrednaekimmark_: I don't "party"01:42
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ubotuPlease watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.01:42
Minatakunpurciful: dd can extract the ENTIRE CD IMAGE to a single file01:42
npurcifulI am making a script that run in the middle of the night without intervention01:42
PriceChild!hilight | mark_01:42
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about hilight - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:42
mark_oh right, sorry01:42
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PriceChildmark_, basically use the person's name in your sentence01:42
MinatakuYou can take the whole CD and make a copy of it as a file on your hard drive01:43
intelikeymark_ your irc client highlights on your nick.01:43
mark_!hilight | PriceChild like this?01:43
npurcifulMinataku: oh ok01:43
mark_oh i see ok01:43
MinatakuWhich can then... nevermind, you've already got iy01:43
PriceChildmark_, doesn't need the !hilight, i just thought ubotu had a factoid to explain it.01:43
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mark_lol i'm learning allready01:44
MinatakuMinnozz: Did anyone care about IRQ 17 this time?01:44
diggywhats a good video recording program for webcams?01:44
ugasstchur: everything fine?01:44
MinnozzMinataku: Didn't get any messages yet, but they only show up once in a while01:44
intelikey!webcam | diggy01:44
ubotudiggy: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras01:44
persen_Hi all, just installed new mobo, gfx and cpu and want to use my old kubuntu feisty.. Is it an easy way to "detect and setup" my new hardware?01:44
MinatakuMinnozz: Ah.01:44
MinatakuWe'll see then01:45
sstchuruga: yeah01:45
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MinnozzIRQ17 wasn't in the list though01:45
Minnozzthe highest was 1501:45
MinatakuLet's see, it's 8:44AM in Japan01:45
jeremepersen_: it will probably just work with the exception of changing your X driver01:45
sstchuruga: except that I installed compiz, ran compiz -- replace, and now all of my windows borders are gone01:45
intelikeypersen_ what's to detect/setup ???01:45
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sstchurI can't resize or move anything01:45
MinatakuMinnozz: Are there more than one device on any IRQ line?01:45
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ugasstchur: you're missing the window decorator then01:45
MinnozzMinataku: there are no devices, just "assigned to pci"01:46
persen_intelikey, All my new hardware. Like install drivers and such..01:46
nosrednaekimsstchur: alt+f2, "kwin --replace"01:46
nosrednaekimsstchur: and you need emerald01:46
intelikeypersen_ sudo dpkg-recongifure xserver-xorg -phigh01:46
ussersstchur: do u use kubuntu?01:46
uganosrednaekim: that won't help him run compiz ;)01:46
sstchurusser: yea01:46
Minnozzbut I enabled something that makes my OS assign the IRQ's (it was off)01:46
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Philistine_how many operating systems are there? seem slike i only ever har of linux, unix, windows, and whatever macs use01:46
ussersstchur: install compiz-kde01:46
persen_jereme, My new card is an geforce8xxx, my old card was geforce 4xxx. Ive installed the nvidia driver, should it still work you think?01:46
MinatakuMinnozz: You'll need to have Linux read the routing differently, then01:46
ussersstchur: run ccsm01:46
nosrednaekimuga: well... its better than nothin ;)01:47
ugaPhilistine_: openbsd, freebsd, netbsd, gnu hurd,...01:47
ussersstchur: and in the window decoration type in kde-window-decorator01:47
sstchurusser: I did include compiz-kde when I run apt-get... but I think it crashed when I first ran compiz --replace01:47
MinatakuMinnozz: Well, pastebin /proc/interrupts for me01:47
ugaPhilistine_: sun solaris, hp  ux... =)01:47
ussersstchur: what does it say under window decoration in ccsm01:47
MinatakuThere are also old ones01:47
Philistine_uga i've never heard of those, are they just not used as often?01:47
sstchurusser: yeah, it crashes everytime I do altF2: compiz --replace01:47
ugaMinataku: I was meant to type that. Not sure what I pressed01:47
MinatakuLike OS/801:48
nosrednaekimPhilistine_: Mac OS is a branch of BSD BTW01:48
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MinatakuThere's also OpenVMS01:48
Minatakunosrednaekim: WRONG01:48
sstchurusser: I don't see window decoration.... I see window management, utility, and some others01:48
nosrednaekimMinataku: oh rly?01:48
MinnozzMinataku: http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=rawpaste&p=103501:48
nosrednaekimMinataku: its at least a derivative01:48
MinatakuDarwin is a hacked-up combination of CMU Mach ala NeXTSTEP and FreeBSD userland01:48
MinatakuReally, it's only link to BSD is that it's userland is completely stolen from FreeBSD01:49
ussersstchur: hm its supposed to there, als try starting compiz from the console and pastebin the output01:49
MinatakuAs for OSX, what actually makes it OSX is only the GUI01:49
MinatakuCalling OSX an OS is much akin to calling X11 an OS01:49
MinatakuCompletely wrong. :301:49
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sstchurusser: maybe I found it under advanced search | settings tab01:49
MinatakuMinataku: You're gonna get it again01:49
intelikeyMinataku yes but one could/should call grub an os01:49
sstchurusser: says decoration windows: any01:49
usserMinataku: well how about the leopard is it still considered just a gui?01:49
MinatakuMinnozz: On either 17 or 19, I think01:50
Philistine_Intelikey what's bsd?01:50
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ugaMinataku: userland? I thought they grabbed the kernel, rather ;)01:50
intelikeyPhilistine_ no comment.01:50
ussersstchur: nah its not it01:50
ugaPhilistine_: another OS, just like linux01:50
Minatakuintelikey: GRUB lacks quite every feature considered of an OS01:50
Minatakuuga: Wrong01:50
sstchurusser: ok, so what do I do?01:50
persen_Should i take "nv" or "nvidia" as the X driver? I think "nv" is the proprietary nvidia driver (best) or am i wrong?01:50
ugaMinataku: what did they steal then, the graphics? =)))01:50
sstchurrun it from the cosonle01:50
MinatakuDarwin uses the "xnu" kernel, which is the CMU Mach kernel from NeXTSTEP01:51
MinatakuMuch like the entirety of OS X is built off NeXTSTEP01:51
MinatakuAnd slightly evolved01:51
Philistine_uga so why do most people either go for linux or windows if there are some many options?01:51
MinatakuOS X is the ultimate in cheapness01:51
MinatakuEvery part of it came from something that already existed01:51
ugaMinataku: I was completely convinced it was a bsd kernel. Then I get corrected01:51
MinnozzMinataku: There are a lot of devices on the same lines, is that normal?01:51
MinatakuApple are completely greedy jerks01:51
MinatakuMinnozz: Yes01:51
MinatakuWanna see one of mine?01:52
ussersstchur: yea try that01:52
Minataku 11:   99788880    XT-PIC-XT        yenta, yenta, ehci_hcd:usb1, ohci_hcd:usb2, ohci_hcd:usb3, ohci_hcd:usb4, ALI 5451, ohci_hcd:usb5, ehci_hcd:usb6, pcmcia0.001:52
MinatakuTry that one on for size01:52
sstchurwhat am i looking for? it just crashes the same way01:52
ugaPhilistine_: because their current status is similar to the status linux had 10 years ago. Hard to install for most01:52
intelikeyMinataku no.  it has everything required by the classification    grub is an os    it's a boot loader OS    it has a task schedular, it provides an interface with the cpu "command line and graphic"   and mounts file systems / reads files.01:52
Minatakuintelikey: The shell is only to interact with GRUB01:52
ugaPhilistine_: there's easier to install distributions like PCBSD, but I can't suggest them. Not very nice distributions01:52
intelikeybut it still qualifies01:53
MinatakuIt's a single-task bare-metal program01:53
MinnozzMinataku: Where can I change which IRQ's are assigned to which devices?01:53
MinatakuIt's merely a step in the bootstrap process01:53
Philistine_uga don't worry. i couldn't install an OS if i tried01:53
MinatakuMinnozz: You can try using the "irqpoll" option suggested in the IRQ disable message01:53
Philistine_uga my talents lie elsewhere01:53
intelikeyand probably is more indepth than ibm or ms dos started out...01:53
ussersstchur: no output at all?01:53
Minatakuintelikey: Not at all01:53
MinatakuGRUB does not qualify as an OS01:54
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ugaPhilistine_: heh, so how did you install Kubuntu ;)01:54
MinnozzMinataku: how can I boot with that option? can I enter it in GRUB?01:54
MinatakuIt does not run anything within itself, it loads and passes control from itself to another program01:54
MinatakuThis is why it is a bootloader01:54
Philistine_uga my roommate did it cause when i bought this comp it had vista on it and he refused to let me on his lan01:54
ussersstchur: do u have emerald installed?01:54
ugaPhilistine_: LOL01:54
Philistine_uga so now i run linux01:54
ugathat's nice01:54
Philistine_i'm very slowly learning01:54
ugaVista is really confusing, anyway01:54
MinatakuIt sits as part of the boot process, to transition from BIOS bootstrap to OS initalization01:55
MinatakuMinnozz: Yes01:55
Philistine_most of my info comes from either asking him quesitons or reading his slashdot scroller on his desktop01:55
usseruga: oh u in the wrong camp then, linux is far more confusing )01:55
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MinatakuI don't know how Kubuntu has GRUB set up, though01:55
sstchurusser: I have beryl installed, so I think so01:55
Philistine_vista isn't confusing at all. i needed the babysitter01:55
sstchuri did emerald-themes a while back01:55
sstchuroh but wait, i've done a reinstall since then so maybe not01:55
ugausser: believe me or not, it took me ages to setup the damn network on a friend's pc,... and on linux it works out of the box01:55
MinatakuUsually when I have to add things to my command line in GRUB, I hit "e" on the entry I want then edit the command line and hit "b"01:56
MinatakuTBH, I haven't really used GRUB in a while, last time was 24d ago01:56
ussersstchur: ok so try this compiz --replace -c emerald01:56
LeeJunFanMan, I really have reservations about compiz being on by default. If you don't mind your window decorations crashing.01:56
sstchuryeah, it worked01:56
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MinnozzMinataku: I'll try01:56
MinatakuMinnozz: Sorry I'm not too helpful on this right now, my mind has become kinda fried in the past 5 minutes01:57
Philistine_i can help with that01:57
Philistine_we'll lower the bar01:57
ussersstchur: thats good01:57
Minataku(;`) 01:57
sstchurthis is very different from beryl; how do I rotate the cube?01:58
jeremewhat's the default hotkey for katapult config?01:58
Philistine_for example, if i can haev windows in VMWare, can i also have those other OS's you've mentioned? and would there be a point to it?01:58
ussersstchur: the cube rotation is not on by default01:58
ussersstchur: theres this wall plugin01:58
MinatakuI have reservations about all these fancy-ass GUIs01:58
ussersstchur: go to ccsm and turn on desktop cube and cube rotation01:58
MinatakuBunch of completely useless eyecandy to me01:58
MinatakuJust a load of flashy crap with no purpose or benefit01:59
jeremethe cube desktop has total benefit01:59
jeremecrap like wavey windows, not so much01:59
Philistine_jereme that's not quite true01:59
intelikeyi ran katapult the other day.    got a picture of a sling shot in the middle of the screen that covered everything else.    had to xkill it.01:59
MinatakuBut then I'm a much more practical person, especially when it comes to computing01:59
sstchurusser: i can't seem to find them01:59
usserMinataku: u ppl like u started the inquisition, *shakes fist* lol )))01:59
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Philistine_jereme i dont know much about computers and the main thing which keeps me interested are things like the cube and flame effects01:59
sstchurBeryl seems to have a better interface... will that be merged into compiz eventually?02:00
intelikeyperhaps katapult should only be ran from kde ???02:00
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Philistine_if it weren't for things like that, i'd be even worse off02:00
sstchurweird, my cube is flat02:00
nonewmsgssstchur beryl and compiz have already merged and the result is called fusion02:00
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LeeJunFansstchur: I doubt it - the underpinnings of the plugins and stuff have changed a lot, the beryl configuration tool would have to be redone from scratch. I liked it better too.02:01
ussersstchur: pbbly not, in the search box in the top left corner enter cube02:01
sstchurnonewmsgs: right, that's why I was asking if the beryl interface would make it into compiz fusion02:01
hangthedjhas anyone ever had their back forward and up icons disapear from konqueror?02:01
ussersstchur: its supposed to find it02:01
quixogreso without  fedora?TOO much bias. whats the difference between ubuntu and02:01
intelikeycompiz was a fork of beryl anyway wasn't it ?02:01
Philistine_this is a good time to ask, Minataku what is compiz? it's always there when i start my comp up02:01
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LeeJunFanintelikey: other way around.02:01
usserintelikey: beryl was the fork )02:01
jeremeintelikey: apparently you hit ctrl+x when the slingshot is up to open the config, then you can tell katapult to run in the systray and be accessible via alt+space for quicksliver like goodness02:01
MinatakuI just said I don't like any of that stuff02:01
quixogreso without TOO much bias. whats the difference between ubuntu and fedora?02:01
MinatakuPhilistine_: Sorry, I don't know exactly what it is02:01
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MinatakuI don't care about it, so I don't use it02:02
Philistine_Minataku its ok, i use it and i don't care about it02:02
LeeJunFanquixogre: the biggest diff is RPM vs deb, and the package management system in general.02:02
sstchurhow do I make it actually a cube and not just flat?02:02
webulator70quixogre fedora is not based on debian so for one thing it doesnt use apt or .deb files but .rpm system instead02:02
webulator70damn beaten to the punch, lol02:02
quixogredamn. i hate rpm files. thanks02:02
LeeJunFanquixogre: there are differences that are notable in the way most redhat based systems do things in /etc from other systems as well. Slack,deb, and redhat based systems seem to differ the most in /etc.02:02
webulator70i like fedora 2nd best but i also hate rpms02:03
MinatakuHeh, wait until you try one of the BSDs02:03
jeremeubuntu makes people happy... fedora makes people sad02:03
webulator70other then rpms i gotta admit, fedora is solid too02:03
jeremebsd makes people kill02:03
MinatakuInsanely different :302:03
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MinatakuNot at all02:03
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MinatakuI've used Linuxes, I've used BSDs, I've even used SysVs02:03
Philistine_bsd? i googled it and all it came up with was a company, which dosen't fit the way you're using the term02:03
webulator70what does windows make people do?02:03
jeremewebulator70: fling poo at eachother02:04
webulator70whats sysv?02:04
Minatakuwebulator70: Become brain damaged02:04
MinatakuSystem V02:04
MinatakuAs in AT&T Unix System V02:04
jeremePhilistine_: OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD to name a few02:04
ugaPhilistine_: the first entry in google is "freebsd"02:04
ugawhich is a bsd distribution02:04
MinatakuSolaris (used to be) a System V02:04
uganot a company ;)02:04
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ugasecond entry is bsd.org02:04
ugawhich lists all of them02:04
webulator70im not a fan of sun products really02:04
Philistine_uga jereme yeah it's some sort of project02:05
ugaPhilistine_: just like linux is a project02:05
Minataku*BSD is derived from Berkeley BSD, which was derived initially from 6th Edition Unix02:05
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Philistine_oh i see02:05
ugaa project of a "kid" called Linus Torvalds =)02:05
Philistine_alright then02:05
MinatakuBSD stands for Berkeley System Distribution02:05
Philistine_and they put out operating systems?02:06
MinatakuBerkeley being University of California, Berkeley02:06
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MinatakuIn Berkeley, California, USA02:06
Philistine_i know about universities, i'm in one02:06
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Philistine_just not for computes02:06
MinatakuI don't believe UCB still does BSD02:06
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MinnozzMinataku: I don't know if I booted with irqpoll now, when I hit 'b' the power went off02:06
ugaPhilistine_: they create operating systems for computers, yes02:06
Philistine_uga thanks02:06
ugafrom home computers to supercomputers02:06
MinatakuThe original BSD is long gone02:07
ugato embedded systems like your pdas or iStuff02:07
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MinatakuLiving on in the various forks02:07
Philistine_ah i see02:07
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webulator70bsd is more closer to unix then linux is right?02:07
MinatakuCheck that out, it has a whole timeline of Unices02:07
Minatakuwebulator70: Much closer02:07
Philistine_laright thanks02:08
Philistine_we'll see if i can understand it though02:08
ugaMinataku: possibly the Hurd is pretty close to the original version, though ;)02:08
MinatakuBSD has a direct link back to the original Unix02:08
webulator70linux is just a clone right?02:08
webulator70well not "just" but you know what i mean02:08
MinatakuBSD was initially derived from 6th Edition Unix from Bell Telephone Laboratories in Murray Hill, NJ02:08
MinatakuLinux is a Unix Clone, correct02:08
MinatakuBSD is a Unix Derivative02:08
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Philistine_so if unix was around first, why did linux develop faster? shouldn't people have developed the original programs and improved them, seems like it would ave been easier02:09
webulator70are there any easy repos for compiz fusion?02:10
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persen_dpkg-reconfigure -xserver-xorg -phigh didnt work.. Is there any other ways to config X nowadays? Im using a Full HD tv as monitor btw.02:10
ugaPhilistine_: people couldn't afford computers and unix OSes back then. Too expensive02:10
stdinPhilistine_: because linux is open source02:10
ScorpKingquixogre: hi. i did a dd to nfs. :D02:10
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MinnozzMinataku: what is 'irqpoll' supposed to do?02:10
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ugaPhilistine_: and these guys created something cheaper, called Linux02:10
ugathat everyone run at home on cheaper cups02:10
webulator70persen, take the dash out before xserver02:10
MinatakuMinnozz: Linux has a couple different ways of mapping out the IRQs02:11
ugaPhilistine_: back then only universities etc could afford having unix running in those expensive machine02:11
Philistine_uga are there any substantive differences between operating systems?02:11
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xennetworkHello everybody02:11
Philistine_uga unix was that expensive? like windows?02:11
MinatakuActually, BSD came to the 386 first02:11
ugaPhilistine_: from the user's point of view, they are same. Internally, completely different02:11
MinatakuIn the form of 386BSD02:11
ugaPhilistine_: much more =)02:11
xennetworkIs there a command i can so from the command line to open the control panel?02:11
MinatakuAnd it was actually fairly cheap02:11
ugaPhilistine_: notice we are talking about .. uhm... 25+ years ago?02:12
MinatakuBefore that, BSD was available to students free of charge02:12
ugacomputers weren't very common back then02:12
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Philistine_so what changed?02:13
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MinnozzMinataku: this is /proc/interrupts now: http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=showpaste&paste=103602:14
xennetworkcan some one tell me a command that will open the control panel from the command line or recovery window?02:14
Philistine_was it just the avaliablity of computers which led to the rise of cheaper OS's and the development of linux?02:14
ugaPhilistine_: exactly02:14
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jeremestudents and professors with access to large unix mainframes wanted those same abilities on smaller cheaper PC's02:15
Philistine_uga so with the continued development of computer tech is it actually hurting the advancement of programming by keeping the prices high?02:15
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ugaPhilistine_: actually I said 25years, but that was too long reach. it began on the 9102:15
jeremewithout spending the insane licensing fees02:15
Philistine_if the development stopped, the price of comps would drop, would we see another lead like we did02:15
ugaPhilistine_: well, I wouldn't say prices are kept high. They get lower02:16
Philistine_uga true, but the dramatic drop you mentioned hasn't been matched has it?02:16
ugayou can buy laptops fairly cheap these days02:16
xennetworkcan some one please help me?02:16
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ugaPhilistine_: the dramatic drop happened back then02:16
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ugapeople at home found the x86, and finally PCs existed02:16
Philistine_uga yeah, if it happened again would we see another explosion in software development?02:16
MinatakuMinnozz: Looks exactly the same >.<02:17
Philistine_uga what i mean is, are today's prices holding us back like they did before?02:17
MinatakuTry it with... hm... I think this may be unresolvable02:17
ugaPhilistine_: the boom was because it was from "nobody got a pc" to "now everyone can afford one"02:17
MinnozzMinataku: I don't know if I entered irqpoll the right way02:17
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ugaPhilistine_: that won't happen again. Everyone got a pc at home02:17
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MinnozzI placed it on a new line, right before savedefault02:17
jeremewow I have the answer for xennet and he's gone02:17
MinatakuMinnozz: Oh, no, that's wrong02:18
MinatakuIt has to be on that first line02:18
intelikeyuga not to "now everyone can afford one"  but to   "now everybody dumb enough to buy one."    ;/02:18
Philistine_uga true. they're getting way to powerful though. until a few months ago i was happily using a 90's 566mhz copm with windows 9802:18
MinatakuWhere it has the /boot/vmlinuzblahblah stuff02:18
Philistine_now i've got a comp that's way more powerful than i'll ever need02:18
Philistine_capable of doing things i don't understand02:18
ugaPhilistine_: you don't need the most expensive machines to run nowadays02:18
MinnozzMinataku: just a space behind the last character and then 'irqpoll' without quotes?02:19
Minnozzor is it a switch02:19
Minnozz--irqpoll or so02:19
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jeremeMinnozz: are you troubleshooting the ata issues at boot?02:19
MinatakuNo, it's not a switch02:19
Minnozzjereme: what do you mean?02:20
Minatakujereme: No, it's an IRQ conflict02:20
jeremefor what reason are you adding irqpoll?02:20
ugaPhilistine_: you may see more coders from other countries if projects like OLPC suceed02:20
ugasucceed, even02:20
MinatakuSome device doesn't seem to be happy being on a shared IRQ02:20
jeremeoh, because I'm having a problem with my ata that is supposedly solved by doing the same solution02:20
Minnozzjereme: see http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=rawpaste&p=103402:20
jeremebut I was concerned if there was any performance cost02:20
persen_Hm, I've installed (as i said earlier) that i've installed new mobo, cpu and gfx card. Now, ALL my hardware is changed literally.. I see that some of the old drivers from my old computer setup is still trying to be used. Is there a way i can perform an full "hardware check" where it erases all preexisting knowledge of my hardware ? As if i were to install a fresh kubuntu.02:20
Minatakujereme: Good, you help him02:20
Philistine_olpc eh, that's the uh, one with the development. right?02:20
MinatakuAnd no, no performace cost02:20
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wersanyone knows what opensync's kde frontend in gutsy is?02:21
MinatakuWell, perhaps a slight hit02:21
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MinatakuNothing significant, though02:21
MinatakuThough I don't really know02:21
jeremewell, I haven't applied the fix yet.. so I'm not sure I'm much help02:21
MinatakuIt may be the only solution, however02:21
ugaPhilistine_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olpc02:21
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about bootoption - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi02:21
jeremefor me I hang like 2 minutes on boot02:21
jeremewhile this ata stuff pukes all over itself02:21
jeremethen I'm fine02:22
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Philistine_oh i've heard of that02:22
WillabeeHey, I'm having trouble partitioning02:22
intelikeyfritz maybe ?02:22
Philistine_what blows my mind is that they have internet access in countries where they don't have decent access to medical and educational systems02:22
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WillabeeWhenever I try to partition my HD (ntfs), it just says to check the file system and fix problems if possible02:23
Philistine_speaking of foreigners, anyone from outside NA?02:23
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MinnozzPhilistine_: Netherlands here02:23
jeremeI'm from US02:23
intelikeyWillabee you need to boot M$ up and defrag that drive with pagefile turned off.02:23
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Philistine_Netherlands eh Minnozz, good to know there're people from there02:23
Philistine_never met anyone from there before02:24
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Skiffhey, any1 has a link how to properly partition in kubuntu?02:24
MinnozzWell, it's an honor to be the first one ^^02:24
WillabeeWhere do I turn pagefile off02:24
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Philistine_is it normal for 5 people to be talking in a channel with 342 people logged in?02:25
MinnozzI'm afraid it is02:25
Philistine_you creepers should stop reading our convo's and go have one of your own02:25
intelikeyidk. i don't do windows.    i found it when i installed linux for a friend that does do windows.  but forcing me to look at windows is hard on a friendship02:25
ScorpKingWillabee: do a defrag and chkdsk before resizing.02:26
Minnozz@everyone who reads this: say 'Hi!' ^^02:26
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ugaMinnozz: your irc client is broken, we can't read you02:26
ScorpKinghi uga02:27
Philistine_Minnozz that was a resounding failure02:27
ugahi ScorpKing02:27
Minnozzuga: whoa that's one hack of a coincidence, I can't read your text too! =O02:27
ScorpKinguga, dd to nfs did work. :)02:27
intelikeyPhilistine_ """you creepers should stop reading our convo's and go have one of your own"""    in an open channel ????     and not only open but also the official kubuntu support channel ???02:27
ugaScorpKing: uh? cloning hdd through nfs???02:28
ugaor files02:28
ScorpKinguga, yes. :D02:28
ScorpKingi'll explain02:28
ugathat sounds strange ;)02:28
Philistine_intelikey yeah, what's the point of being in a channel where the only thing discussed is computers if you don't ahve a computer issue02:28
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intelikeyPhilistine_ you mean you don't want anyone to lurk here ?      then you obviously wouldn't like   #ubuntu02:29
Philistine_intelikey i have to reg before i can send pm's02:29
ScorpKinguga: i booted from the live cd and mounted nfs. uid on nfs is 1000 so i added another user which had uid 1000. /dev/hda is owned by root:disk so i added the new user to group disk and just did a dd to nfs dir. simple :D02:30
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intelikeyPhilistine_ the whole point of an open channel, is so many people can participate, admittedly it does seem odd that people leave their computers loged in and go on vacation for a month...02:31
MinnozzMinataku: so I can just add irqpoll to the vmlinuz-line?02:31
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Philistine_ok so who just saw me register?02:31
ScorpKingnot me02:32
intelikeyonly the ircops02:32
intelikeycan't hide anything from the server operator.02:32
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jeremeMinnozz: open up /boot/grub/menu.lst and scroll down to the kernel entries... find the line that sais kernel and add irqpoll to the end right after the word splash02:32
MinatakuMinnozz: Yes02:32
MinatakuLike jereme said02:33
jeremein all likelyhood you are running the first kernel listed02:33
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MinatakuSorry, was writing a program for a Programmable Logic Controller02:33
ScorpKinguga: i think someone will need to do that in the future. where is the best place to post a howto?02:33
jeremedo not mess with the recovery mode kernels02:33
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MinatakuNothing to actually be implemented, just a homework assignment02:33
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Philistine_i'm one of you now02:34
Philistine_i'm registered02:34
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Philistine_who needs tech support?02:34
ScorpKingPhilistine_: how can i pipe dd to scp?02:34
Philistine_ScorpKing have you tried to reboot your BIOS with your ethernet port set in the on position?02:34
Philistine_sometimes that helps02:35
MinatakuI was getting a bit worried, but it turned out to be an insanely easy PLC program to wite02:35
Philistine_ScorpKing if that dosen't work, format and try again02:35
Minnozzjereme, Minataku: I edited the line, going for another reboot now02:35
MinatakuPhilistine_: How about this... what model PLC would I use if I need at least 500 bits of internal RAM?02:35
MinatakuSorry, I'll go save this file and email it off now02:36
Philistine_well first i'd reccomend getting them all combined into one, cause i doubt you have room for 500 of em02:36
Philistine_trick question 0 me 102:36
intelikeyi guess i need tech support...  umount: /home: device is busy02:36
Philistine_ok i'll take care of this one02:36
Philistine_it happneed to me last thursday02:36
ScorpKingPhilistine_: lol. i just spend a lot of time to copy my old laptop hd to a new one without format or reinstall. :D02:36
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jeremewell if Minnozz did it right, we won't hear from him02:37
intelikeyi don't see anything that should be accessing /home   what's the fuser command to find what it is ?02:37
jeremeif he did it wrong, we won't hear from him02:37
Philistine_ScorpKing i wouldn't do that, any slight magnetic disturbance in the atmosphere could delete it in the middle of the process. say if the jetstream shifted the northern lights to be above your city02:37
intelikeyjereme oh yeah. he'll be back either way.02:37
Philistine_that happened back in 92 in the Great Computer Disaster, i'm sure you remember02:37
ScorpKingPhilistine_: will it help if i live underground?02:37
Philistine_but remember that you need to make sure your hardrive has enough sunlight02:38
ScorpKinguga: u still here?02:38
Philistine_who's next?02:38
nosrednaekimor if you bury your computer under 15 feet of conrete...but hat might not be good for other parts of your computer ;)02:38
ScorpKingPhilistine_: and put a strong magnet on it right?02:38
Philistine_no magnets are overrated02:39
Philistine_take 3 empty spray paint cans, and tie them together, then place a single cherry pip in the middle02:39
Philistine_...not in that order02:39
ScorpKingthat should work. ;)02:39
Philistine_seriously though, who needs some comp help02:40
ScorpKingPhilistine_: i guess that will get me to format.02:40
nosrednaekimPhilistine_: heh.... there will come a time when you are going to be swamped... :)02:40
Philistine_ScorpKing there's really no need to format, i was kidding02:40
ScorpKing:P i know02:40
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Philistine_all you gotta do is refresh your ram02:40
intelikeysomeone help me findout what is accessing /home and thus preventing me from umounting it02:41
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ScorpKinglmao @ Philistine_ :D02:41
Philistine_nosrednaekim do you mean with requests or is that a computer term for something sinister people are going to do to me for being ignorant?02:41
Philistine_ok intelikey, have you refreshed your ram?02:41
nosrednaekimPhilistine_: with requests02:41
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Philistine_nosrednaekim i'm ok with that02:41
Philistine_best way to learn02:42
intelikeyPhilistine_ i'm about too    the command is   /ignore Philistine_ all   isn't it ?02:42
nosrednaekimintelikey: did you disable your dma in the request IRC section of /etc/be/an/idiot?02:42
ScorpKingPhilistine_: where do i click to refresh the ram?02:42
|neon|how do i automatically enable compiz on gutsy? thx02:42
Philistine_you gotta do it manually02:42
Philistine_open the case, take them out, and let sit for about a half hour02:42
Philistine_that should give them a long enough break02:42
MinnozzMinataku, jereme: don't think it worked... http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=showpaste&paste=103702:43
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jeremerefresh the ram... what in the crap?02:43
intelikeynosrednaekim be serious here.   what's accessing my /home ?02:43
nosrednaekimintelikey: are you typing right now?02:43
jeremeMinnozz: I can't help you with your problem... I was only able to help with the solution you were trying to apply02:43
Scunizijereme, doesn't that mean dip them in water while holding both contacts on a 9v battery? :)02:43
ScorpKingintelikey: if any terminal is in your current /home/you dir it won't unmount.02:43
intelikeynosrednaekim yes.     there is noone logged in on that box.   just ssh root02:44
intelikeyScorpKing ^02:44
nosrednaekimintelikey: oh... you're serious?02:44
nosrednaekimI thought you were kidding :)02:44
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ScorpKingintelikey: someting is using something on the /home dir02:44
intelikeyyeah i know.  that's why i said.   "<intelikey> nosrednaekim be serious here."02:44
jeremehow can anyone cut through the sarcasm to get help in here02:44
MinatakuMinnozz: Yeah, I'm out of ideas, sorry02:45
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intelikeyScorpKing there is nothing running that should be accessing /home02:45
Philistine_jereme you need help? what's the problem?02:45
MinnozzMinataku, jereme: Thanks a lot for your help so far02:45
intelikeybut obviously something is accessing it.02:45
jeremeI don't need help, I'm making an observation02:45
ugaintelikey: lsof |grep /home02:46
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nosrednaekimintelikey: wonder if there is a way to check what is...02:46
jeremeintelikey: seriously, if you have any login sitting in /home, you can't unmount it02:46
intelikeyah wait i found it.02:46
jeremeintelikey: if you became root through sudo or su, perhaps the login above that is sitting in home?02:46
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ScorpKingintelikey: the only time that happens is when you pwd and it shows /home/you or some program use something on /home/you. try sudo umount -f /home02:46
ugajereme: you'd need to passwd to root, and login as root02:46
intelikeyjereme it's not a login.   it's   the modem control script.02:46
Philistine_!identify all02:47
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about identify all - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi02:47
intelikeyScorpKing it's a script02:47
jeremeI'm audi02:47
ardchoilleuga: There's never a reason to log in as root02:47
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ScorpKingintelikey: kill it02:47
ugaardchoille: check the backlog...02:47
ugaardchoille: trying to umount /home02:47
wersI can't find ksync from gutsy's repos.. do you have an idea why?02:48
intelikeywhen i do you won't be hearing from me in here.   that's on the gateway box   and it will kill the modem02:48
ugathere's always a good reason to log in as root ,)02:48
Philistine_!show subscript02:48
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about show subscript - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi02:48
ardchoilleuga: Why would anyone need to umount /home?02:48
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ksync - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi02:48
ubotuA list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines02:49
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ScorpKingsomeone pls do a botabuse02:49
ugaardchoille: don't ask me. to each their own. HE wants to umount it, so I explained how =)02:49
Philistine_ScorpKing what's that?02:49
ScorpKing:D wait and see02:49
ubotuPlease investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...02:49
ardchoilleuga: fwiw, logging in as root is not supported and we aren't supposed to suggest it.02:49
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ugaardchoille: for what it may concern you, I'm not a platform maintainer, nor supporter, nor coder, nor... anything official.02:50
ugahe asked, I answered. If you can do that without logging in as root, let me know02:50
Philistine_who is ubotu and why is he telling me what to do02:50
ubotuYum! Err, I mean, APT!02:50
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ScorpKingPhilistine_: it's a bot (program)02:51
Philistine_ScorpKing so why was it getting all up in my face?02:51
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ScorpKingPhilistine_: he doesn't know better. :D02:52
Philistine_stupid bot02:52
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about stupidbot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi02:52
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about rapebot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi02:52
ScorpKingPhilistine_: don't do that!02:52
wers!botabuse | Philistine_02:52
ubotuPhilistine_: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...02:52
ubotuPlease watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.02:52
Philistine_there it goes again02:53
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intelikeyok guys i'll dismount that drive now for mantainance,  means i probably wont be back for a while.02:55
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ugaardchoille: actually, I find it more dangerous allowing sudo with a default timeout, than logging in as root.02:56
ugait means you run sudo once, enter password, and anyone that gains access to your normal user, got root permissions for a while02:57
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nabil2199need help:when I use the intel driver the fonts on both kde and konqueror are gigantic02:57
nabil2199thus unusable02:57
MinatakuMmmm... NetBSD/pmax 4.0RC102:58
ugaardchoille: as the user is running as normal user, doesn't take cautions, and runs anything. That script/executable/whatever can sudo and bang! the user is root02:58
ardchoilleuga: If I wanted to break into your box, I know you have a root account I can spend weeks brute forcing.. can't brute force a locked root account :)02:58
quixogreokay. need help please. is there a reason all my print jobs go to "job hold-until-specified?02:58
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs02:58
ugaardchoille: who said I have the root account enabled02:58
ugayou can disable it back02:58
nabil2199need help:when I use the intel driver the fonts on both kde and konqueror are gigantic02:58
ugaardchoille: and by the time you manage, I'll have you traced back and got FBI in your doors ;)02:59
ardchoilleuga: Ok, ok, whatever02:59
ugaardchoille: anyway, the sudo thing is worrying me, seriously02:59
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ugaI don't find it very safe02:59
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uga(the defaults)02:59
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uga15 minutes of free sudo without password is way too open03:00
quixogreokay. need help please. is there a reason all my print jobs go to "job hold-until-specified"?03:00
ardchoilleuga: So change the timeout03:00
nosrednaekimquixogre: can you send them manually?03:00
ugaardchoille: I can take care of my box. I'm worried about users in general03:01
quixogrenosrednaekim: hehe been a while...how would i do that?03:01
ugaardchoille: notice kubuntu mods kdesu to use sudo instead03:01
ugawhich means the whole desktop got root access for 15 whole minutes without password!03:01
nosrednaekimquixogre: pop up a the print job viewer with "kjobviewer" and then send the job from there03:02
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quixogrenope, goes back to held03:03
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quixogrenosrednaekim: nope, goes back to held03:03
nosrednaekimquixogre: is your print server working?03:03
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quixogrenosred, dunno. im just setting it up now03:03
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MinatakuHeehee, they're playing American rap music on this Japanese radio station03:03
nosrednaekimMinataku: yech.. I hate rap03:04
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nosrednaekimquixogre: is the printer local?03:04
MinatakuI like it. The words typically not so much03:04
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ardchoilleuga: You have a good point about the timeout. Perhaps file a bug report and mention that kubuntu needs some kind of ui that allows users to easily change the timeout?03:04
MinatakuBut the rhythm03:04
tim***How do i isntall GNOME in Kubuntu??*03:04
quixogreps -ef | grep lpd doesnt find a printer daemon....03:04
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MinatakuBut see, I like chiptunes03:04
MinatakuIf it's got a good beat, I don't care if it's the same thing over and over03:04
ardchoilletim: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop03:04
quixogretim: sudo apt-get ubuntu-desktop03:05
Philistine_ok now that i'm back, who needs some tech help?03:05
ugaardchoille: uhm, I should check if such gui exists... maybe it does?03:05
nabil2199need help:when I use the intel driver the fonts on both kde and konqueror are gigantic03:05
nabil2199I need cedega03:05
Philistine_google it03:05
quixogrenosrednaekim: no, networked03:05
ardchoilleuga: It would be trivial to write one03:05
MinatakuPhilistine_: Please stop harassing users03:05
ugaat least I think the default should be lower. Like 5 minutes at most03:05
ugalots of things happen in a quarter of an hour03:06
Philistine_sorry dude, i ment i'm googling it so i can figure out what he's talking about, and maybe help03:06
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timE: Invalid operation ubuntu-desktop03:06
ardchoilleuga: File it.. the worst that can happen is they say "no".03:06
nosrednaekimquixogre: on a windos or linux computer>03:06
Minataku!resolution | nabil219903:06
ubotunabil2199: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto03:06
__monolithI have a dual-core CPU, if I wanted to stress the cores individualy to test the load and temprature readings, how would i do that?03:06
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Minatakulo, Jucato03:06
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timE: Invalid operation ubuntu-desktop03:07
quixogrenosrednaekim: straight networked printer...dell 52xx laserjet...basically a reworked HP403:07
nosrednaekimmorning Jucato03:07
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ardchoilletim: you forgot the word "install"03:07
nosrednaekimquixogre: ah... gotcha03:07
ardchoilletim: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop03:07
ScorpKinguga: you got the thing i posted earlier?03:07
Jucatogood morning :)03:07
ugaScorpKing: no, what?03:07
MinatakuScorpKing: "Hey Birdman, you get that thing I sent ya?"03:07
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tim sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop wroks03:08
ScorpKinguga: i booted from the live cd and mounted nfs. uid on nfs is 1000 so i added another user which had uid 1000. /dev/hda is owned by root:disk so i added the new user to group disk and just did a dd to nfs dir. simple :D03:08
timwhat is gnomes size?03:08
MinatakuSorry, I think of that everytime someone says something like that03:08
ScorpKinguga: i think someone will need to do that in the future. where is the best place to post a howto?03:08
Minatakutim: Insanely massive03:08
nosrednaekimtim: expect to install about 1 gig..03:08
ardchoilletim: don't kow, but it's going to be a lot of packages03:09
MinatakuActually, it's stupidly massive03:09
Philistine_Minataku are you an op or soemthing?03:09
timIt says 6 minutes left03:09
timnow 403:09
ScorpKinghiya Minataku. lol03:09
coreymon77tim: how much space do you have to spare?03:09
ugaScorpKing: oh, you backed up the disk. I thought you _cloned_ the disk over the net03:09
tim i have about 55 gb03:09
MinatakuPhilistine_: No, but it certainly seems like I am03:09
quixogrenosrednaekim: i can ping the printer. but jobs seem to get stuck when i send em03:09
MinatakuEither way, that's no excuse to act up03:09
timto spare03:09
MinatakuBecause while I may not be one, I can get one pretty quickly03:09
nosrednaekimquixogre: even tests?03:10
MinatakuAnyway, brb03:10
ScorpKinguga: that's what i did. i'm using the new disk cloned from the old one now.03:10
coreymon77tim: okay then, you have nothing to worry about then03:10
nosrednaekimtim: you're fine :)03:10
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timANY ONe runs Warcrafr 3 in wine here???????03:10
ugaScorpKing:  a second... okay, I know dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb  clones one disk to the other. But the destination needs to be a device03:10
quixogrewierd, just looked at ipp report, is showing localhost in the name...lemme check something03:10
coreymon77tim: never worked for me03:10
ugaScorpKing: in your case you have a mounted dir, which isn't a device, right?03:10
timIT works for me!!03:11
ugaso what do you put on of=?03:11
coreymon77tim: i just use doze or my mac for that game03:11
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timI was even able to RUN it in OPengl in PSlinux but ........... I can't make it run in opengl in Kubuntu!!03:11
|neon|does anyone knows where i can get GyachI for gutsy03:11
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ScorpKinguga: yes. i made an image to nfs and copied it back to the new disk. the problem i had is that root can't write to nfs so sudo dd won't work.03:11
coreymon77tim: no real need for wine on a old single core when i now have vmware fusion on a dual core to do it with03:12
coreymon77ScorpKing: and why would you do that03:12
kalorin_vmware fusion?03:12
nosrednaekim!info gyachi03:12
ugaScorpKing: heh, I was thinking you were doing the whole of it in one go. I was wondering if there was /dev/nfsa ;)03:12
ubotuPackage gyachi does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas03:12
Minnozzg2g guys, cya03:12
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coreymon77kalorin_: vmware's special mac program03:12
ardchoille!info gyachi gutsy03:12
ubotuPackage gyachi does not exist in gutsy03:12
ScorpKinguga: i think i asked you about it yesterday.03:13
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coreymon77kalorin_: meaning its made to compete with parallels03:13
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ugaScorpKing: yes, about permissions03:13
|neon|umm thx03:13
uganot allowing root03:13
timwhy was able to run in in Open gl in Pclinux os But not in Kubuntu?03:13
Philistine_Minataku so how am i supposed to learn if i'm not allowed to use the bots, or ask ignorant questions?03:13
enjoi1216whats going on uga03:13
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ScorpKingcoreymon77: i had to clone a laptop hd to a nfs server and back to a bigger one without reinstalling linux.03:13
MinatakuPhilistine_: Wasting everyone's time and abusing the channel assistance bot isn't learning. It's trolling.03:13
ScorpKinguga: well, what i did solved the problem. :D03:14
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coreymon77ScorpKing: why have root not be able to write to it though03:14
MinatakuThese things are, for obvious reasons, not allowed.03:14
kalorin_Philistine_: you could go abuse google03:14
kalorin_that's a good place to start03:14
ugaScorpKing: yeah, I understood. You just got me very confused at first ;))03:14
Philistine_what you call wasting time on stupid quesitons i call me being where you were years ago03:14
timI finished loading GNOME03:14
Philistine_google uses terms i dont understand03:14
ScorpKingcoreymon77: root can't write to a nfs filesystem for security reasons.03:14
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MinatakuThis is where you get a dictionary03:14
Philistine_a dictionary only helps if you speak the language03:15
ugaMinataku: dictionary? what's that =)03:15
MinatakuOr use Google to look up said terms as well03:15
ardchoillePhilistine_: Type this in your irc client:  /msg ubotu !<factoid_here>03:15
ScorpKinguga: lol. what you told me yeaterday helped me a lot. i had that problem for some time. thanks for the info. :D03:15
MinatakuBeginner-level questions are fine03:15
MinatakuStupid, pointless, meaningless questions intended purely to waste time and resources are not03:15
MinatakuNeither is giving other people completely retarded answers to their serious questions03:16
ugaScorpKing: uhm... np. But I wonder how I helped ;)03:16
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ScorpKinguga: i didn't know root can't write to nfs. after that i knew i had to find a way to get user to dd. :)03:16
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Philistine_whatever man, i'm trying to learn here, i'm asking questions. if you think they're stupid then i guess you're just that much better at this than i am03:17
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ardchoilleIs there an app that will allow me to put a window off the side off the screen and have it slide into the desktop when the cursor reaches that edge?03:19
ScorpKingardchoille: when you find one i need it. :)03:19
enjoi1216uga are you too good to talk to me03:20
ardchoilleScorpKing: That would rock03:20
JimmyDeelike a drawer ard03:20
DaSkreechardchoille: yakuake :)03:20
DaSkreechardchoille: or trying to keep Wow addiction quiet at work?03:20
ardchoilleJimmyDee: Yes, but I would like to be able to do it with any window (file manager, web browser, etc)03:20
ScorpKingardchoille: i know. i connect my laptop to the tv to watch movies but the menu bar shows and i cant move it out the way. that suck03:21
JimmyDeeenlightenment does something similar03:21
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enjoi1216JimmyDee do i know you from somewhere03:21
ardchoilleJimmyDee: Id' like to stick with kde tho03:21
ugaardchoille: heh, I am supposed to select a package to report the bug on... sudo?03:21
JimmyDeeenjoi never know03:21
ugaI think it concernts more the gui than anything else, but...03:22
ardchoilleuga: That's what I would think03:22
enjoi1216well i think all and all ardchoille that KDE so far i mean even as far back as 6.0 has been and excellent program03:22
ardchoilleenjoi1216: True03:22
ugaardchoille: would you mark "this bug is a security vulnerability"? :P03:22
JimmyDeeardchoille: I think if you install enlightenment it creates an E-KDE session03:23
ugaI think it's on the edge of being one, but it's not03:23
ardchoilleuga: Hmm.. don't know.. maybe03:23
MinatakuThat's really strange03:23
ardchoilleJimmyDee: Not sure Baghira would work in that03:23
MinatakuIt's nice and fast booting off the CD, but off the HDD, it's 1/2 slower03:23
enjoi1216well ardchoille03:23
enjoi1216but see heres the thing that you have to look at03:23
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enjoi1216i remember reading an article in a magazine a long time ago and it said in there and see this when Windows 98 was big back when i was growing up03:24
ardchoilleenjoi1216: Well, I thought that if yakuake can do it, then another app could too03:24
DaSkreechardchoille: Yeah sure but that's kinda different from everything doing it03:25
JimmyDeeenjoi1216: back when I was growing up we had Pong03:25
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enjoi1216that a lot of regular users were coming off of home software and going to desktop operating systems due to the ease of use03:25
ardchoilleDaSkreech: True, just thought that maybe there was a devilspie for kde03:25
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enjoi1216and even now i mean i don't care almost what it is as a rule of thumb ardchoille even now you can almost bank that your desktop operating system a majority of times is giong to be easier to use unless it's like advanced server operating system that you need to step your skills up so that you can learn how to use it.03:27
swanflwhere do I get help with kde4?03:28
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nosrednaekimswanfl: #kde03:28
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enjoi1216i don't know desktop operating systems are easier to use because most usually you just set a few different things and then boom! you're done as opposed to a home operating system you have to go in and tweek this that this that this and that .03:28
enjoi1216because i mean really ardchoille there is no sense in that crap03:29
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ardchoilleenjoi1216: Opinions vary03:29
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niyadoim having a problem whit adding programs03:29
webulator70hey ardchoille, i got it working finally03:29
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niyadoin the add remove programas03:30
ardchoillewebulator70: You got the irq problem solved too?03:30
niyadommm i dont know03:30
JimmyDeeniyado: what does it say when you try?03:30
niyadoim going to tell the msg that appears03:30
webulator70i spent a while searching for a bios update, just did that, formatted and then i could install the drivers 100% np with the resitricted driver app03:30
wersDo you know what the GUI of OpenSync for Kubuntu Gutsy is?03:30
ardchoillewebulator70: Good job!03:30
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webulator70yeah, im ecstatic03:31
JimmyDeewebulator is gonna get wobbly windows?03:31
enjoi1216yeah ardchoille heres the thing you have to look at is how many of the users and people that play around with software i mean i don't care if it's Win XP or what it is a lot of time that varies on the users experience and how much exposure to an operating system that he or she has had03:31
webulator70oh yes i am, for the 1st time since before it was called beryl03:31
niyadoThe APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see4 if it helps to resolve the problem03:31
enjoi1216like how much exposure that he or she has had to different operating systems03:32
webulator70is compiz fusion just an addon to compiz because all i see in the repos here are compiz fusion extras and compiz fusion plugins03:32
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ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 03:32
JimmyDeeniyado: I would "Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem"03:32
enjoi1216because i have always foung that the more exposure that you get the more open minded that it makes you.03:32
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niyadoyes but i dont know what to do03:33
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niyadoi think that i crash that by my self doing this03:34
JimmyDeecompiz fusion is beryl/compiz combined03:34
webulator70i know but in the repos all is see are 2 fusion listings03:34
niyadoInstalling From Git03:35
webulator70is that all there is or am i missing something?03:35
JimmyDeedid you add the new repos?03:35
niyadoi put all this stuff in the repositories03:35
webulator70i added 1 repo03:35
niyadoand that is an error tryin to put compiz fusion in my kubuntu03:35
webulator70deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/amaranth/ubuntu feisty main03:35
niyadorepos like this git://git.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/app/compiz03:35
JimmyDeeok that one should do it, did you update03:35
DaSkreechwebulator70: did You ask in #ubuntu-effects03:35
MinatakuHooray for Naru, my newly-named Digital Equipment Corporation Personal DECstation 5000/3303:35
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webulator70oh, no i didnt sorry03:36
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JimmyDeeder deee der in the vernacular03:36
webulator70no errors just wanted to make sure before i installed it but its ok, ill just install it03:36
nosrednaekimMinataku: and how oldis that thing?03:36
MinatakuNot sure03:36
niyadohey people. i can put compiz fusion in kubuntu?? i think that i have only compiz03:36
JimmyDeegod's -parents computed on it03:36
wersI can't see opensync in the members for syncing in kitchensync.. any ideas on how to add opensync?03:36
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MinatakuIt's got a MIPS R3000 + R3010 @ 33MHz03:36
MinatakuIt's pre-Alpha but post-VAX03:37
JimmyDeeit runs at ludicris'ly slow speed03:37
Vaxterniyado, u don't have compiz fusion in repository03:37
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MinatakuActually, it's not that slow03:37
DaSkreechniyado: Yes you can please ask about it in #ubuntu-effects03:37
tomazhelp, i'm using kubuntu 7.10 beta , and strigidaemon is taking 100% cpu all the time,03:37
Vaxtertry adding some debian sources03:37
MinatakuNetBSD is a bit pokey on it for some reason03:37
tomazeverytime i need to kill it, but it starts again after the reboot03:37
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niyadohey people. i can put compiz fusion in kubuntu?? i think that i have only compiz03:37
tomazthe strigi database is about 1gb03:37
JimmyDeeits a 33mhz box Minataku, a bit pokey came standard on that model03:38
DaSkreechtomaz: can you ask in #ubuntu+103:38
tomazhm... thanks03:38
MinatakuJimmyDee: Please cease harassing me and my hardware03:38
MinatakuI will not accept such03:38
Vaxterniyado, it's possible to install compiz fusion03:38
Minatakujimmacdonald: Okay?03:38
JimmyDeeI'm not harrassing, I'm telling the truth03:38
MinatakuEr... JimmyDee03:38
MinatakuSorry, jimmacdonald03:39
MinatakuJimmyDee: Seriously. Cease it.03:39
JimmyDeethat box came with a sticker that said "waiting inside"03:39
ubotuHelp! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!03:39
nosrednaekimcall me dmb, but how do you set your home page in konqueror?03:39
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stdinMinataku: ?03:39
nosrednaekimniyado: yes you can put compiz fusion on it.03:39
gnomefreakstdin: you got it?03:39
Minatakugnomefreak: Could you tell JimmyDee to not make fun of my and my hardware?03:39
JimmyDeegrats on your conquest Minataku03:39
stdingnomefreak: sure03:40
MinatakuAs a collector I don't appreciate such harassment03:40
naliothJimmyDee: let's stay on topic, please03:40
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stdinMinataku: the ops call is for emergencies only, please don't abuse it03:40
Minatakustdin: Considering I was about to attack, I feel it was warranted. I felt that I should take the official route instead,03:41
Jucatoabout to attack?03:41
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ardchoillenosrednaekim: The only thing I could find was to open the homepage and then click on Setting > Save View Profile "web browsing". it works.03:41
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MinatakuJucato: My usual bout of swearing and namecalling03:42
nosrednaekimah... ok03:42
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stdinMinataku: understandable, but there is always /ignore03:42
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ugaardchoille: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesudo/+bug/146562 reported. Shame the bugzilla doesn't allow fixing comments03:45
ugaI should have written "password timeout" but I missed the timeout part ;)03:45
Philistine_what's to stop kubuntu from becoming as unstable and massive as windows?03:46
ScorpKingnite guys!03:47
ugaPhilistine_: please, will you just use it or leave it, instead of commenting on the history and possible futures of linux/kubuntu/whatever?03:47
ugawhat will be will be03:47
ardchoilleuga: My kdesu doesn't cache passwords.. it asks everytime. It's the sudo in a term that caches passwords.03:47
ghozalai was installing my printer by konsole and i found this Install Software Development (gcc) package03:47
webulator70for one thing its open source so if it gets bad enough some one will make a lighter alternative03:47
ghozalawhat can i do03:47
Jucatoardchoille: fixed in gutsy03:47
Philistine_uga i'm asking questions about the os, i didn't know there were conditions about the tense03:47
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about uptime - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:47
ardchoilleJucato: What's fixed?03:47
ugaardchoille: I'm running kdesu without password for the last 10 minutes03:47
Jucatoardchoille: that kdesu thing03:48
nosrednaekimThug-life: prgram for that is called "uprecords"03:48
ugaJucato: I'm running gutsy03:48
ardchoilleuga: Then I think you changed it somehow, my kdesu doesn't cache passwords and that's the way I like it.03:48
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stdinPhilistine_: #kubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-offtopic an ##linux are more appropriate places to ask03:48
ardchoilleuga: Oh, ok, you're on gutsy.03:48
Jucatoardchoille: again. fixed in gutsy  :)03:48
Thug-lifenosrednaekim, nah i was checking my own :P it notice's it me03:48
ugaJucato: so it's a gutsy thing only?03:48
DaSkreechJucato: I was going to dist-upgrade today. Might hold off03:49
ardchoilleJucato: How does one return to "don't cache passwords for kdesu"?03:49
ugaJucato: should I add a comment maybe ... I didn't see any place mentioning version03:49
ugawhen reporting03:49
ghozalai was installing my printer by konsole and i found this Install Software Development (gcc) package what can i do03:49
nosrednaekimghozala: "sudo apt-get install build-essential"03:49
Jucatoardchoille: you have to turn it of for sudo itself03:50
Jucatouga: what do you mean? why report it?03:50
ardchoilleJucato: That is what I was thinking.. I feel the need for a gui to allow that as some folks might be hesitant to modify the sudoers file03:50
ugaJucato: because it's a security problem03:50
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Jucatouga: why?03:50
ugaJucato: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesudo/+bug/14656203:50
ugaI think I described it there rather well03:51
ghozalathanks nosrednaekim ur the best03:51
ugaunlike terminal mode, where you close and no more you can root access passwordless, on teh gui...03:51
Jucatopeople are funny.. when kdeus acted like su and didn't save passwords, it was complained as a bug.. now that kdesudo is there that does it, it's still being complained as a bug03:51
nosrednaekimghozala: nah.... just done that way too many times :)03:51
ugaJucato: different point of views. People don't like passwords, but people love security03:52
ugaJucato: I can't accept that my desktop is open for any script willing to access it for a whole 15 minutes03:52
Jucatoand when you say people I presume you represent all users, correct?03:52
ugaand the only way to avoid it is logging out, or setting lower timeout03:52
ugaJucato: reread...03:52
stdinuga: you can lock your session03:53
ugaJucato: I said, people don't like passwords and thus they don't want being asked for passwords03:53
ugabut then all of them also want their boxes secure03:53
ugaJucato: if that doesn't cover you, me and everyone in thsi channel, then something is wrong03:53
Jucatothen reduce the timeout for sudo?03:54
ardchoilleJucato: I feel that neither sudo nor kdesu should cache passwords at all and it would be nice if there were a tutorial on that or a gui that allows beginners to easily turn off password caching03:54
uganow _my_ opinion is that 15 minutes of a completely open desktop is too long03:54
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coreymon77that is true03:54
mneptokuga: it's not completely open03:54
coreymon77sudo does last for a long time03:54
Jucatoardchoille: tell that to *the* sudo developers03:54
mneptokuga: it still requires someone to have access to your account03:54
ugaJucato: as I said before in this channel, I took care of my box. But I find most users don't know about these issues03:54
Jucatoardchoille: it's a feature that they put in sudo03:54
MinatakuThere is03:54
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MinatakuIt's in /etc/sudoers03:55
stdinwhen you step away, lock your session. problem solved :)03:55
ugamneptok: then the security is same as running the gui as root03:55
ugamneptok: isn't that especially what you all hate?03:55
ardchoilleMinataku: How many newbies will be comfortable editing sudoers without messing it up? I feel a gui would help with that.03:55
mneptokuga: no, it order for someone to expoit the cache, they need to have your login credentials. if they have those, they could use sudo at any time anyway.03:56
nosrednaekimardchoille: include modifyig sudo permissions for other uses..03:56
ugastdin: that's letting the user do the security03:56
ugastdin: it's never been the way in linux ;)03:56
ardchoilleSeems it would be trivial to write a small gui that allows newbies to turn off password caching in sudoers03:56
coreymon77ardchoille: how many newbies would be comfortable messing with something like sudo settings in the first place03:56
DaSkreechSudo works ona per application basis right?03:56
coreymon77ardchoille: most are still getting used to the concept of root03:56
ardchoillecoreymon77: Good point.. all the more reason for a gui.03:56
stdinuga: if the limit is set too low, people complain. too high, people complain. no timeout, people complain03:57
ardchoilleDaSkreech: No, sudo caches passwords for 15 minutes by default for any app03:57
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DaSkreechardchoille: I know what it does. I'm asking what it is capable of doing03:57
ardchoillestdin: I feel that is more reason to have a gui that can easily take care of individual users needs.03:57
ugastdin: my best suggestion would be forcing kdesu to show a message: "this program is about to be run in root mode!"03:57
ugaat least let the user know03:58
ardchoilleuga: Hmm.. I think that would get annoying real quick03:58
mneptokuga: is there a time that kdesu would *not* run in root mode?03:58
ugaany script he could be running...03:58
stdinuga: that's a possibility, but I bet people still complain :p03:58
ugaardchoille: maybe03:58
coreymon77ardchoille: gui or not, i dont think many newbies would be comfortable playing around with sudo and root config files03:58
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ugastdin: ardchoille: actually that reminds me of Vista's warning messages... very annoying actually03:58
ardchoillecoreymon77: But, you have to admit, having a small gui takes some of the "worry" out of changing a config03:59
claydohw00t its been a while since I last say a su/sudo/root discussion :)03:59
intelikeyexpert = drip = spert that the pressure has been releaved from03:59
ugaJucato: it's not about experts or not experts. It's about keeping the user safe while keeping them happy03:59
stdinuga: yeah, but at least this one wouldn't halt the entire system to ask you03:59
ugaJucato: hard to do both at the same time =(03:59
mneptokuga: if you want blatantly obvious advisories like "the app used to acquire root privileges requires root privileges" then how about "Firefx is about to access the Internet. Bad people ahead."03:59
intelikeyspert = drip under pressure.03:59
Jucatouga: I mean I'm staying out of it coz I don't know about it03:59
coreymon77why would you use kdesu if it wasnt for root privs03:59
coreymon77wbat other use does it have04:00
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ugaJucato: uh, just give a try to your apps. Run adept as root once, adn then any script I send you through e-mail, can run kdesu, without asking your for aa password04:00
mneptokuga: i can *guarantee* that "ZOMG REWT 4 SUDO!!1!!" warnings will result in tremendous user frustration04:00
Jucatouga: I know how it works. I just don't know about security issues you raise04:00
ugamneptok: =)04:00
DaSkreechI keep thinking about aging GUI user warnings04:00
DaSkreechthat naturally get quieter as time goes on04:01
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intelikeyoh.   uga is ranting about the  "root jr."  approach to security.04:01
ugaJucato: I could send you a .desktop file over the net that could kdesudo rm -rf /04:01
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ugaJucato: it's just an example04:01
mneptokuga: and it wouldn't work04:01
coreymon77whats root jr04:01
ugamneptok: why not?04:01
Jucatocoreymon77: sudo04:01
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DaSkreechuga: How would you ensure that he ran kdesudo legitmately right before it?04:01
mneptokbecause the command is "kdesu" ;)04:01
ardchoilleIt's simple. Have a small gui window that allows the user to set the sudo/kdesu password cache timeout to their needs. I could set mine to 0 (no cache) and my gf could set hers to 10 minutes. She refuses to edit sudoers in a text editor out of fear.04:01
Jucatomneptok: it's both, in gutsy04:01
intelikeycoreymon77 the initial user account of any *buntu box. == root jr.04:02
ugaDaSkreech: what do you mean... knowing it's the same user running it again?04:02
coreymon77this is reminding me of that mac commercial about vista04:02
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coreymon77mac is issuing a salutation cancel or allow, you are returning macs salutation cancel or allow...04:02
coreymon77we'd be no better than vista04:03
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ugaintelikey: root jr? =) ranting? =). I'm just saying the default is a bit tooooo open for any intruder touching my desktop04:03
ugaintelikey: if people think otherwise, I'm fine. I fixed my box before04:03
stdinuga: intruder on the desktop? then lock the session :)04:03
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intelikeyuga like i said,   i'm teaming up with uga on this one.    been there, done that.04:04
ugastdin: you trust users (even uga) to lock their sessions each time? =)04:04
stdinuga: may be "leaving the security to use user", but it *is* up to the user to secure their system04:04
coreymon77even if there was a simple gui to change things04:04
ugaI'd suggest letting the user making the box unsafe, but default to closed04:04
stdinif they want to set sudo to use no passwords, should we stop that?04:04
ardchoilleHow do I change the password cache timeout for sudo? Edit sudoers? What if I make a mistake? Then I can't even "sudo rm /etc/sudoers && cp /etc/sudoers.bak /etc/sudoers". This is why a simple gui would help IMHO.04:05
intelikeystdin not at all04:05
coreymon77how many people do you think would go through the bother of doing it04:05
stdinardchoille: there is visudo04:05
ugastdin: but no password isn't the default. The 15 minutes kdesu timeout is04:05
nosrednaekimardchoille: then go out and write it !04:05
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DaSkreechuga: Yeah04:05
ardchoillenosrednaekim: You seem to forget that I suck at coding, lol04:05
intelikeystdin but setting up sudo as a root jr. and calling it "more secure than having a root password" is ludicrise04:05
coreymon77stdin: visudo?04:06
nosrednaekimardchoille: I never knew.04:06
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stdinuga: still, if the timeout was one minute and someone ran a command as root, then you stepped away, that's a security problem04:06
ugaDaSkreech: I don't think you can, unless you setup a fingerprint reader or so,or you force the user to authenticate with passwd each time04:06
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ugastdin: it is04:06
ugajust chances are lower, but it's still an issue04:06
stdincoreymon77: visudo is a tool to edit the sudoers file with error checking04:06
ugamy timeout is 0 ;)04:06
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coreymon77uga: how far would you go with this04:06
coreymon77uga: you could go on forever wiht this04:07
stdinuga: that's why I say it is up to the user to secure their own system04:07
coreymon77uga: thats what vista did04:07
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ugacoreymon77: I saw it...04:07
coreymon77uga: and do you like what vista has done?04:07
ugacoreymon77: I prefer being annoyed with passwords each time. Vista's isn't only about passwords04:07
intelikeycoreymon77 you could go all the way to mounting your system nosuid  and thereby solving the whole security issue....04:07
ugait warns you each time a program wants to do something04:07
BluesKajjust watched an relatively old documentary (2002) about Richard Stallman and Linus Torvalds in the early yrs of the open source and free software movement04:08
intelikeyassuming you don't then make a security hole some place else....04:08
DaSkreechuga: Huh? You said you could mail someone a .desktop with a kdesudo command how could you ensure they had run a kdesudo command right before?04:08
coreymon77intelikey: but tha is extremely annoying, irritating and a pain in the neck04:08
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ugaDaSkreech: ah nono. I said that if you keep doing system administration on teh gui, and at some point an intruder sent spam over e-mail with a nice .desktop file....04:09
nosrednaekimBluesKaj: youtube?04:09
mneptokuga: feel free to set a prohibitive AppArmor policy04:09
ugaDaSkreech: the guy could take over the boxes of all those doing gui sysadmin04:09
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mneptokuga: deny +x on the /home partition except for dirs04:09
ugamneptok: read about it somewhere, but no idea what apparmor is04:09
ardchoilleuga: That is why you never allow file attachments from strangers04:09
coreymon77computers, no matter what, will always have some sort of vulnerability04:10
DaSkreechuga: If a admin doing Gui admin is running programs sent to him over e-mail I could just as easily setup a repo that would do much worse04:10
coreymon77you have to live with that04:10
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coreymon77if you dont, you could drive yourself crazy04:10
mneptokuga: i suggest you acquaint yourself before Gutsy drops :)04:10
ugaardchoille: and non-strangers... e-mails are easy to fake04:10
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about apparmor - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:10
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about apparmour - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:10
mneptok!infa apparmor04:10
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about infa apparmor - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:10
BluesKajnosrednaekim, no the documentary channel on a satellite network here , the name of it is called "revolution"04:10
ardchoilleuga: Well, I don't allow file attachments atll and my friends know that04:10
mneptok!info apparmor04:10
ubotuapparmor: User-space parser utility for AppArmor. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.0.1+510.dfsg-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 344 kB, installed size 1632 kB04:10
stdinin any case, this discussion is getting too off topic for a support channel.  please take it to #kubuntu-offtopic04:10
nosrednaekimBluesKaj: interesting.04:10
ugaanyway, my intention wasn't creating flamewars. Each will think what they do, and maintainers will think about it too, I hope04:11
ugamy box is fixed. I'm not worried about this issue. Possibly others ;)04:11
mneptokuga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppArmor04:11
ugamneptok: cheers04:11
mneptoknp np04:11
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BluesKajit may be on a torrent site somewhere , nosrednaekim ...gonna check04:11
ardchoillestdin: How do I stop password caching for sudo? Which file, what do I add/remove, what is the exact syntax and where in the file do I put it?04:12
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mneptokuga: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppArmor04:12
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intelikeyardchoille that's a pretty specific quarry04:12
stdinardchoille: I don't know, look in man sudoers :)04:12
ardchoilleIf I screw up sudoers, then I can't sudo in to fix it04:12
stdinardchoille: I lock my session when I'm not on it, even when only moving away for a couple mins04:13
ardchoilleThis is why I was thinking a gui would make it much easier04:13
mneptokardchoille: Bad Idea04:13
intelikeyardchoille simple solution.   open a konsole   run sudo -i   then visudo from there  but test from elswhere04:13
stdinardchoille: use visudo, you can't mess it up then04:13
ardchoillestdin: Oh, ok, never used visudo04:13
intelikeyardchoille then until you exit the root shell you don't need sudo to fix sudo...04:14
ardchoilleintelikey: Good idea04:14
mneptokardchoille: advocating making obtuse and complex Unix security functionality "easy for the average user" is like advocating the need for simpler controls for the Airbus 380, so anyone can operate one.04:14
intelikeystdin can't mess it up ?   actually you can lock your self out pretty easily.04:14
stdinintelikey: yeah, but the syntax will be correct :p04:14
mneptokIOW, if you don't know what you're doing in the shell, you prolly shouldn't be doing this.04:15
ardchoillemneptok: All the more reason for a gui to help get it done04:15
intelikeystdin yeah like    delete the  % on the line that says  %admin   and   bang your out.  but sudo works perfectly04:15
mneptokardchoille: did you read what i just said?04:15
intelikeyyou just can't use it anymore...04:16
mneptokardchoille: would you go to a brain surgeon that needed someone to tattoo "CUT HERE" on your scalp?04:16
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intelikeyheh  my sudoers file would scare most of you.   one line      ALL ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL04:16
ardchoillemneptok: Not talking about brain surgery.. my gf won't use visudo because she is scared of locking herself out. But, she said she would use a gui if it existed. You have to remember that you are a guru compared to her skills :)04:17
ugaintelikey: LOL04:17
intelikeyand only root can sudo04:17
stdinI'll say it again now, if you want to continue the discussion, please take it to #kubuntu-offtopic   consider this an "End Of Discussion" mark04:17
ugaintelikey: hehe04:17
BluesKajnosrednaekim, i found it on btjunkie04:17
nosrednaekimBluesKaj: not enough bandwidth04:18
mneptokardchoille: if your girlfriend is afraid of visudo she is NOT the type of user that should be definig custom security rulesets04:18
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BluesKajdialup, nosrednaekim ?04:18
nosrednaekim26K of slowness04:19
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BluesKajok :(04:19
intelikeymneptok correct.   and that means that on avarage,  3 out of 5  ubuntu users  should not admin their own box.04:19
JimmyDeeand your point?04:19
mneptokintelikey: i agree. they shourd purchase commercial support from Ubuntu professionals04:19
JimmyDeemajor sucking up04:20
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JimmyDeeardchoille: if you have a girlfriend that thought of using visudo. does she have a sister?04:20
mneptokintelikey: me, for one ;)04:22
mneptokand all my colleagues04:22
mneptokor ... so we claim04:22
JimmyDeedo you get paid to do it?04:22
JimmyDeethen you are a professional04:22
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evildrdani have a quick question about hotkeys04:23
JucatoJimmyDee: yes he does04:23
evildrdani accidentally unmapped my mute key, where can i fix that?04:23
Jucatoanyway, incoming user support question. offtopic out -->04:23
ardchoilleok, I have visudo running and it looks lke it has opened the sudoers file in the nano editor. What do I do to stop password caching?04:24
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intelikeyJimmyDee is that the test for that deff?    cause i've been paid to do things on the amiture level, not at all a professional in those fields....04:24
nosrednaekimevildrdan: its in the keyboard set up in system settings04:24
evildrdannosrednaekim: that was the first place i looked, but there was nothing about volume control, and going through the mixer doesn't work either04:25
nosrednaekimoh... mute..04:25
nosrednaekimevildrdan: why doesn't it work?there is a setting for it there.04:25
Jucatoevildrdan: click on the speaker icon in your system tray, then in the KMix window go to Settings -> Configure Global Shortcuts04:25
mneptokevildrdan: it's in the keymap settings04:26
evildrdantoggle mute is mapped to xf86audiomute04:26
evildrdanbut pressing the key does nothing04:26
mneptokSystem > Prefs > Keyboard shortcuts04:26
Jucatomneptok: er.. that's GNOME :P04:26
mneptokoh, sorry. forgot to check the channel name.04:27
Jucatohahah :)04:27
Jucatoevildrdan: you tried in kmix?04:27
mneptokevildrdan: map it to 0xa004:27
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evildrdanyes Jucato that's what i was referring to when i said "toggle mute"04:27
intelikeyanyone know a way to recover recently deleted files ?04:28
nosrednaekimintelikey: deleted how?04:28
intelikeywhen i saw what i did i remounted ro  to stop disk writes.04:28
intelikeynosrednaekim wrong key in mc  reached for f6 hit f804:29
intelikeymoved to /dev/null rather than the intended destination04:29
nosrednaekimintelikey: does mc put things to trash?04:29
ardchoilleintelikey: ouch!04:29
DaSkreech /dev/null is pretty much gone04:29
nosrednaekimoh.... fugettaboutit04:29
DaSkreechintelikey: What FS?04:29
intelikeyor 3   i'll have to check04:30
nosrednaekimdouble ouch.04:30
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wersis it safe if I add opensync's repo for feisty to my gutsy?04:30
nosrednaekimwers: what is opensync?04:30
DaSkreechOk You can recover from ext204:31
DaSkreechext3 it's gone04:31
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nosrednaekimwers: if its not anything kernel related, probably.04:31
BluesKajgot a fix for ppl who want to defeat the caps-lock on their KBs , i found it while reconfiguring xorg.config: under the Section "Input Device" , Generic Keyboard , at the bottom of the options list copy and paste this line : Option"XkbOptions""ctrl:nocaps"04:31
ardchoillewers: I don't think it's safe to mix repos like that, no.. but that's just what I have been told.04:31
intelikeywers general rule of thumb.    no    don't mix versions.04:31
wersapps for syncing04:31
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nosrednaekimBluesKaj: sweet....not like i'd ever want that.04:31
evildrdanJucato: do you have any clue what program it is that pops up that progress bar when you change the volume?04:32
JucatoKMilo. but it isn't a "real" program. it's a KDE service04:32
BluesKajnosrednaekim, the line should actually read :  Option "Xkb Options "ctrl:nocaps"04:32
BluesKajwell nosrednaekim with my phat phingers I need it :)04:33
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nosrednaekimbye everyone! its getting late here!04:36
_2oh i'm back.04:36
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mneptokoh, happy day04:36
_2so was there an easy to grab the deleted files from ext2 ?04:36
_2licks dm-crypt ????04:37
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_2i don't think i want to know.04:38
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_2why isn't there an "unremove" for ext# fs ?04:40
wersWhat if I use debian sid's or debian stable's OpenSync repo on gutsy for a while?04:41
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_2M$ had undelete cause people deleted things then wanted them back.    i removed all 'language*' and would kinda like to have them back.04:41
DaSkreech_2: There is for ext2 I found one once04:41
wersI will just install one package then remove the repo again, is that ok?04:41
DaSkreech_2: That's also cause they have a crap inefficent file system04:41
_2DaSkreech heh  /04:41
_2DaSkreech yeah.  but i know the data is still there if i could reattach it to the fs04:42
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DaSkreechnot in ext3 it aint :-)04:42
_2this aint fot a journal tho04:42
DaSkreechEmacs is kinda fat04:43
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_2ugg   can't open another console cause pam can't write in /var04:44
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_2and i just crashed my root console trying to ssh into the same box....04:45
_2looks like i blew that one.       oh well.04:45
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_2easy come...  easy...04:46
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DaSkreechJohnFlux_: I was gonna ask you something04:49
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yintelikethere are limitations to imposing limitations on any computer i guess04:50
yintelikeoh my nickname is still here.04:50
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Kr4t05I'm trying to play Quake 3 on Kubuntu Feisty, and I'm having sound issues.04:53
Kr4t05The output in Konsole mentions /dev/dsp being busy.04:53
Kr4t05Is there anyway I can free up /dev/dsp so Quake 3 will give me sound?04:53
stdinKr4t05: kill artsd04:53
Kr4t05stdin: Nah, I got it.04:54
stdinand kde app that tries to make a noise will lock it again04:54
intelikeyarts uses /dev/dsp ?04:54
stdinintelikey: no, but having alsa in use will block it04:55
intelikeyoh   ok04:55
intelikeyand switching to oss would do what in that case ?04:55
stdinlock /dev/dsp directly (until artsd suspends)04:56
intelikeystdin did i tell you i found the issue with the "ultra-quiet and unadjustable" sound ?04:57
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stdinonly one of the systems can be in use, if artsd connected to oss then it would be used to "emulate" alsa by allowing the apps to connect to artsd instead of /dev/dsp04:57
stdinintelikey: nope04:58
intelikeythis hardware "requires" powered speaker system.   if you use non-powered speakers then alsamixer malfunctions   well alsa malfunctions.04:59
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stdinso it needs an amp :p04:59
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intelikeystdin tested on two different boxes with the same onboard sound   both  have to have powered speakers or you can't adjust some things in alsamixer   "they don't stay where you put them"05:00
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intelikeythe <pcm-*> things  ^      yes strange.   but plug in powered speakers and it automagicly starts working correctly05:01
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veddiehowdy all; i having issues with my wireless card accessing my router05:02
intelikeythat is totally non-sensical i know.  but i did retest it on two boxes one with hoary one with dapper   same hardware.05:02
intelikey!wifi | veddie can the help page help you?   here ;05:03
ubotuveddie can the help page help you?   here ;: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs05:03
veddiewould anyone have an idea why wlassistant can see my router but it wont let me access it... and it was working fine yesterday05:03
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veddieyeah, ive looked through the docs05:03
intelikeyk just checking.05:03
veddiefor sure, i hear ya05:03
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webulator70anyone else have compiz-core stuck in a perpetual update?05:06
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webulator70ok so its just a bug and not something i did then05:09
JimmyDeeyou are correct sir05:09
JimmyDeeunless we did the same thing05:09
webulator70you know of any work arround at the moment?05:09
intelikeykill the updater ?05:10
JimmyDeeI've been steady avoiding it05:10
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JimmyDeeitll be fixed in Horny Hampster05:10
webulator70its not stuck like that, its marked for update, when you apply it looks like its updating ok but then its just marked again next time05:10
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intelikeyremove it ?05:11
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webulator70i did, i purged all of compiz and reinstalled it05:11
JimmyDeef o r m a __05:11
webulator70i just formated about 3h ago05:11
JimmyDeeoh thats windows..sorry05:11
webulator70hahaha yep pretty much05:11
Jucatowebulator70: what did the people in #ubuntu-effects say about the issue?05:12
webulator70nothing, that chan is silent right now05:12
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webulator70no one appears to be talking05:13
ardchoillewebulator70: Great, you broke irc :(05:13
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Jucatoyou tried to ask? it's not a high-traffic channel so maybe their just waiting05:13
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webulator70just the effects chan05:13
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webulator70atleast compiz runs now05:14
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Jucaton8k99: thanks! :)05:15
ghfjggfjhow do i remove a program completely?05:15
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n8k99careful there maybe some rice left in that cup05:15
intelikeyand,   he's back !05:15
Jucatoghfjggfj: what do you mean by "completely"?05:15
ardchoilleghfjggfj: sudo apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove appname05:15
ardchoilleghfjggfj: Mind the spaces05:15
Jucatohm... that --auto-remove thing again...05:15
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ghfjggfj^^^^^ thats what i meant...thanx ardchoille   been a month since i used linux. just needed to refresh my memory05:16
intelikeysujests using regex '.*' in that chain  :)))05:16
Jucaton8k99: all the better. something to chew on :)05:16
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ardchoilleintelikey: Teach me what you mean with the '.*'05:17
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intelikeyardchoille sudo apt-get remove '.*'       but when it asks dont type in 'Yes, do as I say!'  :)05:18
ardchoilleHad to think about that for a min05:19
stdinregex .*  means anything repeated any number of time, like * in bash05:19
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intelikeythat's almost as good as   cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda   but better than   sudo rm / -r    cause it leaves too much on the drive.05:19
intelikeystdin yea   regex .* == shell *05:20
ardchoilleintelikey: Well, "sudo rm -r /" will only go until it removes the rm app and then you get errors, right?05:21
intelikeyardchoille no.   removing it's self doesnt stop it.   but as soon as it attacks /lib/libc6  it fails05:21
ardchoilleAh, ok05:22
intelikeyi have a question,    another  "serious" one.   can you    copy a cdrom to disk, then streach the iso and write it back to dvd    are the formats compatable ?05:24
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stdinyou can write standard CD ISO to DVD yes05:25
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avt3kkmy best buddys!! :D05:26
stdinyou can even write a (small) DVD image to CD  (UDF filesystem)05:26
intelikeystdin ok   so if i took the *buntu live cd made an iso of it   added about a gig of things i could burn it to dvd and have a live dvd  right ?05:26
avt3kkis there a kubuntu that has a safe mode live cd boot and install?05:26
ardchoilleintelikey: I've used k3b to write a knoppix livecd image to a blank dvd when I had no blank cd's05:26
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stdinintelikey: I don't see why not, so yeah05:27
nonewmsgson the widgets i try it always says upstream 0kb and downstream 0kb.  what gives?  i am certainly online05:27
ardchoilleintelikey: I think you would need to remaster the livecd05:27
Jucatoavt3kk: what do you mean? the Desktop (Live) CD has a Safe Graphics Mode05:27
intelikeyardchoille ?05:27
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avt3kkI mean I have ardeon saphire x800 video card and if I install kubuntu it never seems to work because of the video card05:28
ardchoilleintelikey: to get the new data to launch properly? I thought you wanted to add apps to the livecd05:28
intelikeyavt3kk safe graphics mode ?05:28
avt3kkI need it to install in safe graphics mode also05:28
intelikeyavt3kk i thought all of them did05:28
stdinintelikey: uses the vesa driver05:28
Jucatothe Live CD has a safe graphics mode05:28
avt3kkubuntu does05:28
stdinand kubuntu does05:28
Jucatokubuntu does too05:28
avt3kkya live does05:28
avt3kkbut does it install as safe mode05:29
avt3kkdont think so05:29
intelikeyavt3kk you can install and then copy the working xorg.conf over to the newly installed system05:29
avt3kkonly thing I was able to install as safe mode was05:29
avt3kkubuntu dapper drake05:29
avt3kkwell I cant do that..05:29
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intelikeywhy not ?05:30
avt3kkdont know how05:30
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avt3kkwhy you hiding? lol05:30
ubuntuHello homeslices05:30
ubuntuHows everyone05:30
avt3kkUbuntu dapper drake installs safe mode :D05:31
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avt3kkI use it now as a dual boot with xdp05:31
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ubuntuhello mythbuntu05:31
avt3kkxp and ubuntu and xp both have images05:31
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avt3kkand disk clone :)05:31
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avt3kkshould I find kubuntu dvd iso?05:32
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avt3kkis there a special vwersion thats better then the rest?05:32
ubuntukubuntu is pretty05:32
Jucatoif you can go through the installation using a text-based installer, you can download the Alternate Install CD05:32
ubuntudo you want gnome or kde?05:32
Jucatoubuntu: that's offtopic05:32
avt3kkI cant do text lol05:33
Jucatoand since this is a #kubuntu channel, the answer is a bit obvious05:33
Jucatoavt3kk: it's not completely text though.05:33
intelikey-hiddenardchoille sorry for getting side tracked with helping.   yes that is what i was talking about,  adding data to a livecd.  so the live dvd has the additions...    you think i need to "remaster" it ?   i'm still not following you there?05:33
avt3kkwhats the best version of kubuntu dvd maybe05:33
JucatoI mean, text-based windows and dialog boxes05:33
avt3kkas long as I dont have to use term to set it up im happy05:33
Jucatonah, it's a step by step process05:34
MythbuntuGuest27anyone use the linux mce, mythtv, or mythbuntu?05:34
n8k99avt3kk: the latest one05:34
avt3kkso should I get the dvd?05:34
ubotuMythbuntu is an Ubuntu derivative centered upon setting up a standalone MythTV system. See: http://www.mythbuntu.org for more information05:34
JucatoMythbuntuGuest27:  ^^^05:34
Jucatodon't know if there's a #mythbuntu channel05:34
ubuntuI use mythbuntu05:35
ardchoilleintelikey-hidden: Yes, to add apps you would need to remaster the live cd.. simply adding apps to the livecd won't allow the system to launch them. Here is a url I found while learning to remaster the ubuntu livecd: http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/05:35
MythbuntuGuest27there is but no one in it05:35
MythbuntuGuest27is it good enough to replace my dvr?05:35
intelikey-hiddenardchoille ok.  you do know that i'm talking about data not   gui apps   don't you ?05:35
Jucatoardchoille: by now you should know that "intelikey" and "GUI" don't mix05:36
intelikey-hiddenalthough i might add an app or two if that's going to be easy enough.05:36
ardchoilleintelikey-hidden: I may have misunderstood you then. What "data"?05:36
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intelikey-hiddenardchoille it's some things i use.   only about 400m   i could just use a usb key huh...05:37
wershow do I compress my folders into .zip?05:38
ardchoilleintelikey-hidden: I usually use a usb key with a livecd to save docs and such.05:38
intelikey-hiddeninstall onto a thumb drive....   that would work, and probably easier.05:38
Jucatowers: right-click on the Folder -> Compress As ?05:38
intelikey-hiddenardchoille ok.  ty   i'll examine my options some more before i commit05:38
Jucatowers: right-click on the Folder -> Compress -> Compress As -> filename.zip05:39
MythbuntuGuest27ubuntu, do you think mythbuntu... is good enough to replace my hd digital video recorder?05:39
wersI saw a "compress here" but no compress as05:39
DaSkreechMythbuntuGuest27: try LinuxMCE05:39
Jucatowers: oh dolphin lol sorry05:39
ubuntuMybuntu: It all depends on what you are going for. I really like it, the hard part is once it's setup and running, to just let it be.05:40
wersokay.. imma use konq instead05:40
intelikey-hiddenwers you can use the command line for that ?   tar -czf outputfile.tgz /path/to/compress05:40
DaSkreechavt3kk: you can copy the working X config to the install before booting05:40
Jucatointelikey-hidden: zip05:40
intelikey-hiddenzip -r05:40
ardchoilleman zip ?05:40
intelikey-hiddenyeah that05:41
wersJucato, I just used Konqueror.. hehe05:41
Jucatowers: right-click Actions -> Compress Here05:41
Jucatoin Dolphin05:41
Jucatoer wait05:41
intelikey-hiddenwers and it's a zip archive now ?05:41
JucatoDolphin only does .tar.gz hahaha05:41
ardchoilleI wonder why they went from konqueror to dolphin.. seems like a step back to me.05:41
wersthere is now intelikey-hidden05:41
Jucatointelikey-hidden: if he followed by Konqi instructions... of course :)05:42
wersI never use konq as a file manager that's why I don't know that05:42
Jucatowers: thanks. you just made me realize another thing lacking in D3lphin05:42
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Jucato!nickspam | intelikey05:42
ubotuintelikey: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines05:42
intelikey!botabouse | Jucato05:42
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about botabouse - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi05:42
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about dual_head - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi05:43
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intelikeywell you get the gest.05:43
avt3kkDaskreech how do I do that???? :O05:43
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Jucatoardchoille: try "dualhead"05:43
DaSkreechavt3kk: mount your drive and copy the /etc/X11/xorg.config file05:43
ardchoilleJucato: Yeah, found that05:43
intelikeyDaSkreech /etc/X11/xorg.conf   no ig on it.05:44
avt3kkcopy to??05:44
avt3kkwhat you mean target05:45
intelikeywhere /target/ is the mountpoint of the new installation.05:45
avt3kkI cant paste in a folder I know will install??05:45
avt3kktarget is confusing05:45
intelikeyubiquity used to use  /target  to install    but it may now use /media/hd<something>  idk05:45
avt3kkso email the conf to myself first??05:46
intelikeydapper is as far as i've kept up with the installer05:46
intelikeyavt3kk wouldn't hurt.05:46
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avt3kk2000 junk emails omfg :O05:48
avt3kkwhos sending me spam? lol :P05:48
intelikeyerrr  ummmm     well    not me.05:49
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intelikeyactually i used email for about 5 years,   then just stopped one day.  havent used any email in about a year now.05:49
avt3kkIntel did you take a 7 step course? :O05:52
intelikeyno i changed isp's05:52
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avt3kkalcoholics anonimis? EA email anonomis lol05:53
avt3kkI send all my tech tutorials to my email like a dumba$$ haha05:53
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avt3kkwow look at thjis girls face; you would think shes going to take over the world hahaha http://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php05:56
avt3kkyou see that girl? lol05:57
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avt3kkdvds are only bittorrent? :O that will take a week I have a router and cant open a port on it lol05:59
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stdinavt3kk: dvd isos are on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com06:01
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avt3kk0928 or current>?06:01
avt3kkunder dvd06:02
stdinfrom dapper to gutsy I think06:02
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avt3kkStdin your amazing :) ty06:06
avt3kkI remember pclinuxos that piece of cr@p gave me a headache06:07
avt3kkI was so pissed; even sabayon linux made me feel like my eyes were going to fall out onto the floor06:08
avt3kkI hate os that give you a headache06:08
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avt3kkwow have you guys heard of  Xpress Linux 1.006:11
avt3kkit comes with wine preinstalled06:11
avt3kkbased on kubuntu06:11
DaSkreechI'm sure there are quite a few distros that do that06:11
avt3kkim searching my fav forum lol06:12
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avt3kklook at this picture hahaha06:14
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ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto06:16
ubotuInformation about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama06:16
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avt3kkwow this guy realy raves about kubuntu im going to pastebin it all lol06:18
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avt3kkheres the pastbin link guys06:20
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waltercoolhow can i get 2 apps with audio??06:20
intelikeyhe raves i rant.06:20
Jucatoand I !offtopic :)06:21
intelikeywaltercool that should be normal for arts  or  esound06:21
intelikeyyes you do  :)06:21
avt3kkdid you see the pastbin?06:21
avt3kkman see all the stuff it found06:21
waltercoolintelikey: but i cant get amarok + another sound app :(06:21
stdinmake sure amarok is set to use alsa06:22
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avt3kkDRI usbdongle06:22
intelikeycofigure  both apps to use alsa/arts06:22
waltercoolis using alsa06:22
waltercoolbut i cant get 2 apps with alsa06:22
avt3kkim going to download the feisty kubuntu dvd guys06:23
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tzangerhere's a question... konqueror lets me use nfs://server/share, but my NFS server is denying it due to "authentication not supported" --the nfs server has read-only access for anyone, so what authentication is konq talking about?06:23
avt3kkhow do I get here in windows? :/06:23
avt3kkwhile im waiting for it to download I want to talk with you guys06:24
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Servashi guys06:24
DaSkreechavt3kk: I install chatzilla or pidgin06:24
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avt3kk? whats that06:25
Servasi am install ubuntu now, but my install packet has been stay in 83% hmm now i run live cd06:25
Servassomeone can help me06:25
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waltercooli cant play with wine + amarok working, or see a movie in firefox + amarok, or see a movie in firefox + game in wine06:25
DaSkreechavt3kk: pidgin is an instant messenger that has IRC06:25
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avt3kkwelp ima restart see you guys soon06:26
DaSkreechChatzilla is an extension for firefox06:26
DaSkreechavt3kk: You have firefox ?06:26
avt3kkI wrote it down Daskreech :) ty06:26
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avt3kkyup thats how im going to download kubuntu06:26
DaSkreechavt3kk: Ok get chatzilla then before you start the download06:27
DaSkreechyou have to restart firefox06:27
DaSkreechsearch for it and look for Firefox addons06:27
avt3kkook ty06:27
DaSkreechinstall it and it will tell you to restart firefoc06:27
avt3kkbrb after reboot06:27
DaSkreechit's in the tools menu06:27
Servashow i install wine to my kubuntu ?06:27
DaSkreech!wine | Servas06:27
ubotuServas: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.06:27
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wersI can view my webcam using the Kopete configuration window but whenever I try to upload my webcam images to a Y!M contact, "I cannot find the jasper image convert program.jasper is required to render the yahoo webcam images."06:30
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keeksSorry to ask again, how can i format my HD? My internet connection drop me.06:31
stdinwers: install libjasper-runtime06:32
wersthanks stdin! :D06:32
ardchoillekeeks: You can format with a partitioning app such as qtparted or gparted06:33
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Jucatowers: hope that solves your kopete problem06:35
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aruni tried unzipping an archive, and it says end-of-central directory signature not found06:36
aruni've downloaded the file correctly06:36
arunany way i can salvage this?06:36
Jucatothe archive itself might be corrupt06:36
arunany way i can recover the files from it?06:37
Jucatoif the site provides a way for you to check the integrity of the archive (md5, sha1, etc), try testing it06:37
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aruni checked teh command line as to exactly what type of file it was06:38
arun Zip archive data, at least v2.0 to extract06:38
ardchoillearun: what did you use to dl it? Whent hat happens with me I usually wget it and it helps06:38
aruni got that ^06:38
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arunardchoille: oh ok.. i'll try doing that. i just downloaded it using my browser06:39
yintelikearun sounds turncated to me.06:39
arunmany times06:39
tzangerhmm, I'm trying to grab the source for the linux kernel that is running and put it in my home directory (so I can work on it without being root)06:39
tzangerapt-get source linux-image-generic grabs the linux-meta package but the source is not there06:39
tzangerwhat is the correct way to do this06:39
Jucatotzanger: you have to get the exact package name06:39
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Jucatoapt-get source doesn't resolve dependencies :)06:40
Jucato(that would be a mess!)06:40
tzangerJucato: aha06:40
arunif i do a wget, where will the file be saved?06:40
tzangerso apt-get source linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic06:40
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DaSkreecharun: in the same folder yo uare in06:40
arunDaSkreech: alright, thanks06:41
tzangerJucato: is there a way to ask the distribution which package the running kernel is from?06:41
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DaSkreechuname -r06:41
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tzangeruname -a shows the version, and that does seem to have the -generic suffix too06:41
Jucatotzanger: uname -r06:42
Jucatotzanger: then prefix "linux-image-" to that06:42
_2well -r "release" is included in -a "all"06:42
Jucatoyeah, but less messy06:43
_2and i though that there was a meta package for the kernel too.   linux-image-generic    ???06:44
Jucatoyes.. but06:44
Jucato<Jucato> apt-get source doesn't resolve dependencies :)06:44
_2that always gets the latest06:44
tzangeryeah, that works06:44
tzangerapt-get source linux-image-`uname -r` :-)  perfect06:44
Jucato_2: imagine if apt-get source downloaded the source for every dependency too :)06:45
_2and linux kernel depends on ???06:45
_2libc6   is about it isn't it...06:45
JucatoI'm just saying imagine if apt-get source worked that way06:45
_2oh yeah   i see that.06:46
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_2and raise you one .rpms06:47
tzangerthe linux-meta package apt-source also gets is *ONLY* for making new kernel .debs, right?06:48
ubotuRPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)06:48
patriciaIs this a help channel?06:48
Jucatotzanger: hm??06:48
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_2patricia that's what they call it.06:49
Jucatopatricia: for Kubuntu yes06:49
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tzangerJucato: apt-get source grabbed the linux-source-2.6.20-2.6.20 but also grabbed linux-meta-
tzangerwhat's that linux-meta used for06:49
_2and some mental issues too06:49
Jucatotzanger: ah that I don't know06:49
patriciaNeed help mounting ntfs partition.06:49
DaSkreechpatricia: For some things06:49
tzangerit just contains the debian/ directory which seems to have teh usual control/rules/etc06:49
_2hanging out here help me develop mental issues....06:49
_2!ntfs-3g | patricia06:50
ubotupatricia: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions06:50
_2!ntfs | patricia06:50
ubotupatricia: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse06:50
patriciaI really just need read access.  Will check out the links.06:51
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tzangerhmm the kernel source it downloaded has botha  debian/ and ubuntu/ extra directory in it06:54
tzangerhow do I cmoe up with the config that went into the making the kernel that the linux-image-`uname -r` kernel has?06:54
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tzangerthe debian/ directory has a bunch of configs that seem to be split up06:54
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intelikeyi think my isp is using a windows 95 server.06:54
Jucatotzanger: are you trying to make a .deb package or just compiling a new kernel?06:54
tzangerJucato: I am trying to make a kernel image which has all the same config options as the package (I only want to play with one option and not disturb the rest of it)06:55
Jucatotzanger: I think you can find that config file in /boot/ the name would be config-*06:55
tzangerthe running kernel does not have /proc/config.gz support06:55
ubotukernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild06:55
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intelikeycause about every 10 minutes i loose connectivity with the isp.06:56
Jucatointelikey: c'mon?!?! it's probaly already using MS-DOS06:56
intelikeyJucato wouldn't that be digression ?06:57
Jucatonope. hahaha06:57
Jucatoand it's a regression yes06:57
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wersstdin: after installing libjasper-runtime, the old error message was gone. Now, whenever I start to upload webcam, "Webcam for is not available."06:58
intelikeyno i meant the move from  !offtopic   to   your post   :)06:58
intelikeygot ya  !06:58
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matt001Hi! anybody had problems upgrading to gusty beta?07:05
intelikeyseveral,   i'm not one of them07:06
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intelikeysupport is still in the plus one channel07:06
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Jucatoborrow ubotu for a while07:11
ubotuInformation about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration07:11
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hervehi all07:13
ardchoillehi herve07:14
hervehave ever tried to install xen on ubuntu07:14
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herveare u there ?07:16
Agent_bobwas eariler...07:17
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Agent_bobhmmm hows this for a test to see if you have an ext2 partition   lol.    there is so much wrong with this script i don't know where to start rewriting it....07:18
Agent_bobls /hd | grep -q lost+found07:18
Agent_bobcase $? in 0);;07:18
Agent_bob  *) echo "Sorry, I can not find an ext2 partition on /hd."07:18
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ubotuXEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy07:18
hervebye all07:20
hervesee later07:20
hervethanx ubotu07:21
DaSkreechNot if we see you first!07:21
arunwhat does zip -f do?07:21
Jucatoarun: there's a long description in man:/zip07:22
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aruni read that it rescues zip files that won't get extracted07:22
arunjust wanted to see if you guys could tell me anything about it07:23
JucatoI think you meant -F07:23
arunah yeah07:23
arunwht's -F fo07:23
JucatoFix the zip archive. This option can be used if some portions of the archive are missing. It is not guaranteed to work, so you MUST make a backup of the original archive first.07:23
Jucatofrom man:/zip07:23
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arunYAY it worked07:25
arundamn, but now i cant extract the files, though i can see them in the archive07:26
arunit says error:  invalid compressed data to inflate07:26
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ardchoillearun: I'm beginning to think that the zip file on the server is bad07:27
Jucatoor somewhere along the download, got corrupted..07:28
Jucatowithout md5 or sha1 to check, we'll never know07:28
Agent_bobpacket loss on the net07:28
ardchoillearun: What is the url to that zip file?07:29
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towliebahas anyone here instaled kubuntu in a virtual machine ? im trying to install kubuntu and i selected the first install option and i see the sliding progress bar but its been on there for at least 5 minutes07:31
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Agent_bobhmmm now where will i ever find a dos formated floppy disk........07:41
Daisuke-LaptopAgent_bob: what is this "floppy disk" you speak of?07:42
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SilentDisi'm having a bad day, and need a quick refresher.  what's the switch i need to allow a mount of a Fat32 drive as RW to all users on a machine?07:44
Agent_bobhmm thought i found some but they  are macentosh by gosh07:44
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Agent_bobSilentDis umask=00007:45
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SilentDisAgent_bob: thank you :)07:46
Agent_bobSilentDis i actually do prefer  dmask=000,fmask=111   but both work.07:47
SilentDisAgent_bob: just a qnd check of an old hard drive.  a friend's 'puter died on him, so i was gonna set it up for kubuntu and install it for him :)07:48
SilentDisthere, nice clean drive.  time to hook it up and install kubuntu.  thanks :)07:49
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Agent_bobi just down loaded a new linux system.    i'm thinking about switching from kubuntu to this new system... although it's packaging system does seem to be wanting...07:53
kkathmanwhich one?07:54
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Agent_bobit's a two floppy disk system.   loads all  in ram.07:56
Agent_bobonly needs 12m ram    :)07:56
orcbaneHey, i have a question about a game07:56
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kkathman10 frames, 2 balls to a fram07:57
ardchoillekkathman: lol07:57
kkathmanwell he didnt specify a game - so I thought I would07:57
orcbanehow do i get an SDL image with PNG support?07:58
orcbanethats what i was thinking07:58
Daisuke-Laptopyou asked a question about a game07:59
Daisuke-Laptopwhat game07:59
orcbanebattle for wesnoth07:59
Daisuke-Laptopwhat's the problem?07:59
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orcbanei cant seem to get past the ./configure stage07:59
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu07:59
ubotuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)07:59
ubotuYou can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!07:59
Daisuke-LaptopAgent_bob: no07:59
Daisuke-Laptopwesnoth is in the repos07:59
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Daisuke-Laptopthere's absolutely no point in compiling it08:00
Agent_bobDaisuke-Laptop and your don't  ./configure unless you are building.08:00
Daisuke-LaptopAgent_bob: that's what i'm saying08:00
orcbanei am08:00
Agent_bobread his post.08:00
ubotuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)08:00
Daisuke-Laptopwhy would you compile when it's *in the repos*08:00
Agent_bobthat's most likely the problem.   ^08:00
Daisuke-LaptopAgent_bob: why would you recommend that rather than, hey, INSTALLING it from the repos, where it already exists and where these problems *don't* exist?08:01
Agent_bobDaisuke-Laptop i'm not always right.   but think before you jump me on things like that.08:01
orcbanebecause i wanted to try and compile it08:01
DaSkreech!info wesnoth08:02
ubotuwesnoth: fantasy turn-based strategy game. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.2.3-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1937 kB, installed size 4396 kB08:02
Daisuke-Laptoporcbane: the repos are there for a reason, and will cause a whole lot less problems08:02
DaSkreechorcbane: ok make sure you localize it :)08:02
DaSkreechDaisuke-Laptop: Hey don't dissuade him if he wants to do it and knows what he is doing08:03
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DaSkreechassuming that the bane of orc's is a male08:03
Daisuke-Laptophe's having problems with sdl headers.08:03
orcbaneDaSkreech: i got so far in compiling it i did not want to give up08:03
Daisuke-Laptopi'm going to call the second part of what you just suggested "false"08:03
DaSkreechorcbane: Why are you compiling ?08:04
Daisuke-Laptopif you're just now configuring, you haven't gotten that far08:04
DaSkreechDaisuke-Laptop: I do too but lets try and educate while dissuading eh?08:04
Daisuke-Laptoporcbane: why do you feel the need to compile?  is there a feature that doesn't exist in the repository version?  that would be a very good reason.08:05
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Agent_bobmaybe he/she want's to learn how to compile things.    there doesn't even need to be a reason.   we have all sujested looking into the repos version,  if that's not what they want,   don't try to force them.08:06
DaSkreechAgent_bob: We aren't08:06
Agent_boblooked pretty pushy from here.08:07
DaSkreechWe just want to ensure that it fits the two requirements for compiling08:07
Agent_bobrequirements ?08:07
DaSkreechYep :)08:07
Agent_bobonly requirement is that the user want's to do it that way.08:07
Daisuke-Laptopbut okay08:07
Agent_bobit's their linux.08:07
DaSkreechAgent_bob: Wants to and knows what they are doing08:08
orcbaneDaSkreech: well you see the thing is i installed everything i needed to install and am at a stop. It says my SDL image does not have PNG support08:08
Agent_bobDaSkreech you knew how first time you tried ?08:08
DaSkreechorcbane: Right. But you are just compiling to see if you can compile ?08:08
Daisuke-Laptopthen you don't have everything you need08:08
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DaSkreechAgent_bob: I did it in GNU's hello world so ....08:08
orcbaneDaSkreech: yes08:08
Daisuke-LaptopAgent_bob: i taught myself.  it's not rocket science08:09
DaSkreechorcbane: Ok You probbaly want to ./configure --prefix=~/games/wesnoth08:09
Daisuke-Laptop"don't have xxx headers"08:09
Daisuke-Laptopinstall xxx headers08:09
Daisuke-Laptoptry again08:09
Daisuke-Laptopdon't have yyy headers08:09
Daisuke-Laptopetc, etc.08:09
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ironmanwhats up folks08:10
DaSkreechorcbane: try the sdl-dev packages and when you run configure run it with the prefix option I showed you08:10
orcbaneDaSkreech will do brb08:10
Agent_bobhmmm i wonder if the 2.2 kernel supports my three nic cards in this box....08:11
ironmani want to be able to convert to just linux one  day and only have to use windows to play games08:11
Daisuke-Laptopironman: the real dream is being able to play games in linux as well :D08:12
Daisuke-Laptopbut i agree, let's keep it realistic08:12
Daisuke-Laptopfor now :)08:12
DaSkreechironman: admirable statement of goals :)08:12
DaSkreechDaisuke-Laptop: The best would be booting out of windows to Linux to be able to play games :)08:12
Daisuke-LaptopDaSkreech: nah, that requires having windows08:12
DaSkreechDaisuke-Laptop: Yeah. You could be a history teacher08:13
Daisuke-Laptopand since linux does the non-gaming stuff better...08:13
DaSkreechteaching history08:14
ironmanshould my windows partition be mounted somewhere, i want to copy my mp3s over08:14
DaSkreechof things long gone08:14
NickPrestagoodnight #kubuntu08:14
DaSkreechso you would show windows08:14
DaSkreechNickPresta: Nigh08:14
DaSkreechironman: That's a bit of a waste of space right now. Why don't you just play them from the Windows drive?08:14
orcbaneDaskreech: im not sure what you mean  by the prefix08:14
DaSkreechyou know when you type ./configure08:15
ironmani dont see the partition mounted08:15
ironmanso i cant access it08:15
orcbaneDaskeech which prefix?08:15
orcbaneDaSkreech: should i use08:16
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DaSkreechorcbane: You know when you type ./configure ?08:16
Daisuke-Laptop"now kids, this is the operating system most popular in the 90s and early 2000s.  does anyone want to tell me why it failed?  tommy?  very good tommy!  vendor lock-in.  anyone else?  missy?  excellent, DRM!  yes, Jack?  no, Jack, steve ballmer wasn't a professional wrestler.  yes, i know he liked to throw chairs, but he was a professional."08:16
DaSkreechyou can pass that an option of --prefix=08:16
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DaSkreechwhich will install the program into a folder08:16
DaSkreechyou can run it from that folder and it doesn't mess with anything08:17
DaSkreechYou can just delete the folder and that "uninstalls" the application08:17
orcbaneDaskreech ok ill try that08:17
ubotuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)08:17
Daisuke-Laptopyeah, i could teach history.08:17
DaSkreechso it's ./configure --prefix=/home/orcbane/games/wesnoth for example08:17
DaSkreechJucato: He just wants to compile it08:18
Daisuke-LaptopJucato: i was already yelled at for recommending he install from the repos08:18
Jimmeydoes anyione know a good ftd program for kubuntu feisty?08:18
Daisuke-Laptopyou need to deliver flowers?08:19
JucatoDaSkreech: I know. that's why I gave that factoid08:19
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ironmanhey how do i mount my windows partition so i can read files08:19
Jucatowhich explains your --prefix instructions08:19
DaSkreechJimmey: Whats an ftd ?08:19
Jimmeygamees and stuf08:19
Daisuke-Laptopi'm thinking he maybe meant ftp?08:19
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Jimmeyyou know the program openftd?08:20
DaSkreechJucato: Oh I never actually read those08:20
Daisuke-Laptopi know openttd08:20
DaSkreechJimmey: No do you have a URL ?08:20
orcbaneDaSkreech i tried it it it tells me the same thing i will copy and paste it: configure: error: *** SDL_image has no PNG support! You need SDL_image with PNG support08:20
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DaSkreechAgent_bob: Want to help out ironman?08:20
Jucato(and he tells me off for not reading what the user wanted to do?)08:20
Jimmeyits a dutch site08:21
DaSkreechJucato: Usual issue with me. Near 1:0008:21
Jimmeyi'm dutch so i can read it but i dont know if anyone is duth here08:21
Daisuke-Laptopthat's fine, can still get an idea of what it is.08:21
DaSkreech!find ftd08:21
ubotuFound: ftdi-eeprom, giftd, libftdi-dev, libftdi008:21
DaSkreechJucato: Oh how do you get the Bot to show more?08:22
DaSkreechI think that's broken >.<08:22
Jucatotry -more08:22
Daisuke-Laptopah ha08:22
Daisuke-LaptopJimmey: not "games and stuff"08:23
Jucatothe bot didn't say there are more08:23
Daisuke-Laptoplook into klibido08:23
Jimmeyi know usenet08:23
DaSkreechJucato: I know I was messing with it the other day and couldn't get it to show me the other 5 packages I was looking for08:23
DaSkreech I can't get it to do quotes either :(08:23
Jimmeyi installed PAn newsreader but it won't open bnz files08:24
DaSkreechThough those might be disabled in chans which are not #ubuntu-bots08:24
Daisuke-Laptopthat's because they're nzb files08:24
Jimmeyyeah sorry mistyped there08:24
Daisuke-Laptop!search usenet08:24
Jimmeyoke relax08:24
DaSkreechironman: do you want to just look at the files or you want your drive mounted permanently ?08:25
Daisuke-LaptopJimmey: one moment, i may have something that will be good for you08:25
Jimmeyoke thnx08:25
orcbaneDaSkreech i tried it it it tells me the same thing i will copy and paste it: configure: error: *** SDL_image has no PNG support! You need SDL_image with PNG support08:25
ironmani just found a site sudo mkdir /media/windows then another command after that08:25
Daisuke-Laptop!info hellanzb08:25
DaSkreechironman: what command?08:25
ubotuhellanzb: Newzbin (nzb) & BinNews (bns) files downloader and post-processor. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 159 kB, installed size 720 kB08:25
Daisuke-Laptopthat might work for ya :)08:26
ironmanusenet servers are the best thing ever08:26
ironmansudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=022208:26
Jimmeythnx man08:26
Daisuke-Laptopi use klibido, but there's gotta be something better :)08:26
Daisuke-Laptop(i don't use nxbs though)08:26
Daisuke-Laptopnzbs :)08:27
ironmanif u dont mind using wine08:27
ironmango to altbinz.com08:27
Daisuke-Laptopif i were using wine, i'd use powergrab08:27
ironmanbest news read that will work in wine08:27
Daisuke-Laptopthat was my preference in windows08:27
ironmannews leecher08:27
Jimmeyi'll try powergrab also then08:27
Daisuke-Laptopmulti-threaded highly configurable binary leecher08:27
ironmanalso try altbinz.com08:27
ironmanauto repair and unrar08:28
Jimmeyand altbinz.om08:28
ironmanglobal usenet sercher08:28
Daisuke-Laptoppar2 and unrar :)08:28
Jimmeyi'll try both08:28
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Daisuke-Laptopthe searcher would be a nice feature08:29
Daisuke-Laptopi would love to get another giganews account08:29
Daisuke-Laptop100+ day binary retention O_O08:29
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Myrth[home] hi, i've just changed in sources.list from feisty to gutsy and do apt-get upgrade. it downloaded many pages and installed many but when i try to upgrade again it shows about 500 packages that "The following packages have been kept back:"08:29
Myrth[home] what does it mean?08:30
ironmanwhat server yall use08:30
ironmani use usenetserver08:30
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stdinMyrth[home] : see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f5208:31
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ironmanoh man i just got a permission denied while trying to mount my windows partition08:32
Philistine_how do i find the other channels?08:32
DaSkreechironman: You started with sudo ?08:32
ubotuA list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines08:32
DaSkreechPhilistine_: back for more learning?08:32
Philistine_haha hey mang08:33
Philistine_pretty much08:33
Myrth[home] stdin: doing so didn't upgrade, just exited without saying anything08:33
DaSkreechironman: do you have a /dev/hda1 ?08:33
Philistine_as long as you don't get mad at me for not being as wise as you, it's all goo08:33
ironmannvm i think i didnt put sude08:33
stdinMyrth[home] : do you know about the "dist-upgrade" apt-get command?08:33
ironmani dont fdisk command my hd is sda108:33
Myrth[home] oh i see thanks08:33
ironmannot hda108:33
Philistine_DaSkreech seriously, how do i find that list of other channels?08:34
DaSkreechPhilistine_: You want all of them or just the useful ones ?08:34
stdinPhilistine_: /list08:34
Philistine_just he useful ones08:34
Jucatobe careful with that /list, as you might lag a bit08:34
stdin"helpful" ?08:34
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Myrth[home] stdin: hm.. adept version upgrade shows me 7.04 release announcement08:35
Philistine_thanks everyone08:35
DaSkreechPhilistine_: ubotu just gave you a list08:35
jduckettanyone running lighttpd web server??08:35
Philistine_so um why aren't there any hockey channels?08:35
DaSkreechstdin: ones like #jacksprivatecorner aren't really helpful08:35
ironmanyessssssssssss it work damn i love this community08:35
DaSkreechPhilistine_: feel free to make one but that's probably on anotehr server08:35
DaSkreechironman: :-)08:35
Philistine_i dont know how to make one dude08:36
JucatoPhilistine_: Freenode is a server used mostly for Free and Open Source Software related things08:36
Myrth[home] stdin: dist-upgrade worked08:36
Philistine_oh, thank you08:36
Philistine_i take it i'm on that server?08:36
Philistine_and btw, sorry for being offtopic08:36
DaSkreechPhilistine_: you know where offtopic stuff belongs already08:36
Philistine_ye/msg NickServ IDENTIFY <JohnnyC>08:36
DaSkreechWhoops :)08:37
ironmanany audio player that will play flac08:37
Daisuke-Laptopironman: all of them08:37
Daisuke-Laptopflac is an open format :)08:37
Philistine_DaSkreech care to join ye olde channel to help a young gun out?08:37
Daisuke-Laptopamarok does a great job08:37
jduckettanyone running LightTPD web server??08:37
ironmanit will not play it08:37
DaSkreechThere already08:37
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats08:38
Daisuke-Laptopthat would be a question for lighttpd08:38
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DaSkreechreally? I would think that amarok would play it08:38
jducketti need help with apt-get install08:38
ironmanno avi decoder is the erro i get08:38
jduckettneed to know how to force upgrade to latest version of lightTPD08:38
DaSkreechjduckett: If you >need< the new version >now< you can try gutsy or compile and install08:40
DaSkreech otherwise maybe wait a week or so?08:40
Philistine_is the new kubuntu out yet??08:40
DaSkreechPhilistine_: No08:40
Philistine_oh, does anyone know what's going to be improved?08:41
jduckettNeed help with apt-get install.  I am running Feisty Fawn on a clean install.  apt-get install lighttpd worked fine.  it installed lightTPD 1.4.13 and the latest release is 1.4.18.  How can I use apt-get to pickup the latest version lightTPD 1.4.18??08:41
JucatoPhilistine_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Beta/Kubuntu and read the other Tribe release pages linked in that page08:41
Philistine_thank you08:42
stdinjduckett: you can't, that version isn't in feisty. is there any reason you *need* 1.4.18 rather than 1.4.13 ?08:42
jduckettyeah, bugs with FastCGI08:43
Philistine_this might be a dumb question to you guys but what's the diff between the upcomjing kubuntu 7.10 and kde 4?08:44
stdinPhilistine_: kubuntu isn't kde08:45
stdinkubuntu _uses_ kde08:45
Philistine_please go on stdin, i'm not a troll, i'm just ignorant08:45
ubotuKDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php08:45
Philistine_no that really won't help08:45
Philistine_i need thigs explained in a way that is easy to understand, those links ALWAYS use computer speak08:45
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stdinPhilistine_: kubuntu is the name of a distribution that uses KDE as the desktop environment, so you can't compare them.08:46
Philistine_consider the position of someone who knows how a comp makes itself work, but the software angle is totally foreign08:46
Philistine_ah i see,08:46
jduckettI know I can download and compile, however, will download and compile break apt-get package management??08:46
ironmanthanks for the help yall im out08:46
Philistine_so can kubuntu use other desktop environments? and if so, what are the differences?08:47
ubotuA desktop environment is what "puts the pieces of a !GUI together". The available desktop environments in Ubuntu are !GNOME (ubuntu-desktop), !KDE (kubuntu-desktop), !Xfce (xubuntu-desktop), IceWM, !Fluxbox, WindowMaker (wmaker), FVWM and others - See also !Flavors08:47
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Philistine_hmm are there any significant differences between ubuntu, kubuntu, and xubuntu?08:48
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stdinyes, the user interface08:48
DaSkreechPhilistine_: The desktop environemnt08:48
JucatoPhilistine_: Ubuntu uses GNOME, Kubuntu uses KDE, Xubuntu uses Xfce08:48
stdinI suggest you look on wikipedia and google. perhaps install them and try them out08:48
Philistine_oh so it's all about the way the data is presented on my screen08:48
Philistine_stdin to be honest i've tried, but i don't know enough about computers to understand what they tell me08:49
stdinPhilistine_: no, the user interface is more than that. it's the way the user interfaces with the desktop.08:49
Philistine_so it's actually esier to ask people08:49
Jucatohow it's presented, the default apps that are available, etc08:49
Philistine_and have them explain it08:49
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Philistine_oh ok08:49
Philistine_thank you all08:49
Jucatoof course, but not everyone has the time to answer always :)08:49
DaSkreechPhilistine_: Have you seen windows?08:49
Jucatothat's why when good stuff has been written about it, we just point to it :)08:49
Philistine_ii grew up with windows, why do you think i'm so ignorant?08:49
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DaSkreechPhilistine_: Have you seen a Mac?08:50
Philistine_i hate macs08:50
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Philistine_they're confusing and frustrating at the same time08:50
DaSkreechPhilistine_: That's not an answer :)08:50
Philistine_yes i've seen a mac08:50
Philistine_please, go on08:50
DaSkreechPhilistine_: Ok they functionally do the same thing. But with a differnt interface08:50
DaSkreechand a different "idea" for the environment08:51
Philistine_ok so it's all about the way the data is displayed with my "gui" ( i learned that the other day, give me cudos, seriosuly)08:51
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DaSkreechso a mac "environment" has all the menus attached to the top of the screen08:51
Philistine_i hate macs08:51
DaSkreechon windows they are on the same box for the application08:51
DaSkreechPhilistine_: regardless they help you to understand things more08:52
Philistine_if you say so08:52
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DaSkreechthey both allow you to write e-mail, write documents and listen to music08:52
DaSkreechThey just do it in different ways08:52
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hgarciawhat up pplz08:53
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Philistine_i'm back08:53
Philistine_sorry ppl08:53
DaSkreechWell in Linux you can swap out how the Desktop environment works to one that you like.08:54
Philistine_between being like 10 beers into my night, and ignorant, things are ahrd08:54
Philistine_ok i get that08:54
DaSkreechone is called Gnome one is called KDE and one is called XFCE08:54
Philistine_my roommate explained it to me08:54
Philistine_and i understand it now08:54
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DaSkreechthat's the difference between ubuntu kubuntu and xubuntu08:54
mark__are you sure?08:54
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DaSkreechyeah pretty sure08:54
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Philistine__so ubuntu can only support certain desktop environments?08:55
hgarciaaren't there more programs ported for kde?08:56
Philistine__i thought i was just told the diff was the way the desktop was presented. with each os being diff08:56
kkathmanPhilistine__: I think it can support just about any desktop environment you want to throw at it08:56
stdinUbuntu just comes pre-installed with Gnome, Kubuntu just comes pre-installed with KDE, Xubuntu just comes pre-installed with Xfce  etc08:56
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Philistine__then wht is the diff between ubuntu and kubuntu and xubutnu08:56
stdinPhilistine__: Kubuntu and Ubuntu aren't different OS's08:56
Philistine__but thanks for all your support peole08:56
kkathmanPhilistine__: the graphical interface08:56
DaSkreechPhilistine__: the defaults are different08:57
Philistine__i was here earlier and i got ragged on for being ignorant, and called a "troll"08:57
DaSkreechAll distributions are linux08:57
kkathmanits all "ubuntu" underneath the covers, just each product has its own default graphical interface08:57
DaSkreechWith enough effort you can turn any distro into any ohter distro by yourself08:57
Philistine__ok so lets start from the beginnning..l..08:57
kkathmanno those arent equal'08:57
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Philistine__could you describe each of those?08:58
DaSkreechWhat makes the difference is the defaults. where you start off08:58
Philistine__so that i know the differences?08:58
DaSkreechlinux is the kernel08:58
Philistine__kernal. right08:58
Philistine__like popcorn08:58
kkathmanlinux = operating system, kubuntu = linux + kde08:58
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DaSkreechit is what enables you to use the computer08:58
stdincan you take this to -offtopic please08:58
DaSkreech!offtopic | Philistine__08:58
ubotuPhilistine__: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!08:58
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Philistine__thanks, will be there08:59
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sn00pyi try to install kubuntu 7.10 on my notebook! when it comes to ~84% (setting up the german language package) nothing happens anymore. it doesn't continue! i waited about 10 minuten and nothing happened anymore08:59
sn00pywhat can i do?08:59
sn00pymy installation cs is errer free08:59
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kristjan_sn00py: then it does language setup, it dl language packages09:00
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sn00pyit downloades them from the internet??09:01
kristjan_sn00py: yeah, if connection isn't available, it finishes with english only09:01
kristjan_sn00py: how long did you wai?09:02
sn00pynot shure, about 5-7 minuten so i will try it again now and wait longer09:02
kristjan_with something like 128KB connection it takes around 5-10minutes09:02
kristjan_it downloads openoffice language packs also09:03
kristjan_sn00py: you know what? install with english only09:03
kristjan_sn00py: you can make it later german09:03
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sn00pyow can i change it to german later?09:05
sn00pyow = how09:05
kristjan_sn00py: yep, system settings> regional and language09:06
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DaSkreechNight all09:07
sn00pyokay thank you :)09:07
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momalHey, can anyone who has set up 5.1 with k/ubuntu help me out. I have a set of logitech 5.1 speakers they all work but the center speaker(front)  I set kaffine/amarok to use xine,alsa,5.1 surround. Kmix and alsamixer seem to be all set correctly 6channel, everything there full volume. The cables+speaker do work fine (tested that already) I am using on board sound card "Nvidia CK804, Realtek ALC850"09:08
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hgarciawhen is gutsy release?09:12
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towliebais anyone around09:13
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kristjan_towlieba: there is always someone around, just not responding within 10secs09:18
flaketoo many free fps's, not enough time :/09:20
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fedsFederal has signed in09:28
iziohi, in which file i can find the application that kubutu lunch at start up (the applications in he right side of the bottom bar)09:29
kristjan_izio: the icons near the volume control?09:31
iziokristjan_: yes09:33
stdinin /usr/share/autostart I think09:33
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kristjan_izio: this part of the panel is called system tray; by default kubuntu launches there next apps: adept_notifier, kmix, klipper, networkmanager and guidance-power-manager (if you use laptop)09:34
Nysanderwhat is default uid/gid for user created during install of kubuntu?09:35
iziokristjan_: thanks but i think that they are also wtitten in some tectual file09:35
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kristjan_izio: ? what's the problem? do you want to disable a few of them autostarting?09:36
stdinNysander: 1000/100009:36
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towliebahave any of you installed kubuntu in a virtual machine ?09:36
stdinizio: remember, kde will start apps that were running when you logged out09:36
xenolstdin: can it be disabled?09:37
Xerossi installed kubuntu but now when i try to boot it it hangs on loading bar thingy09:37
iziokristjan_: i know how to remove or add application, my question is only for aknowledge09:37
stdinxenol: if you want, System Settings > Advanced tab > Session Manager09:37
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kristjan_izio: the list of apps starting there is written to system tray config I guess09:39
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flakewelp,  bf2 still doesn't seem to work under wine - has problem with dx9c09:39
towliebahave any of you installed kubuntu in a virtual machine ?09:39
stdinizio: #kde would be a better place to ask that09:40
iziokristjan_:sorry i'm a beginner...where are system tray onfig09:40
iziostdin: ok thanks09:40
Xerosscan someone help me?09:40
flakedepends Xeross, whats up09:40
Xerosswhen i boot kubuntu it hangs at 3/4 of the loading bar09:41
Xerossand it only works when i boot in recovery mode09:41
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ubotuesk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.09:43
flakexeross - what did you change or update09:44
Xerossi just installed it from the dvd09:44
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momalAnyone here set up 5.1 before under ubuntu? I am having some problems09:47
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sn00py@kristian okay i waited now about 20 minutes and still nothing happens... the installation is stuck at 87%. with kubuntu 7.04 there wasn't any problem09:48
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sn00pyi think something is wrong with the installation :(09:48
sn00pyso i will try to install it in english only09:48
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DocTomoeI have some weird sonud issue with kubuntu on a shuttle pc. this machine has two sound cards, the onboard HDA ULI M5461 and an Audigy2 ZS. For wome weird reason, sound works 33% of the reboots, but not on the other two thirds. Where can I look?09:51
DocTomoebtw: this is Feisty09:52
xenolis it normal that kde is slow with compiz fusion and it does stupid things on my desktop?09:52
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DocTomoexenol: you mean like spinning cubes and stuff? ;)09:52
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xenolDocTomoe: i get probs after i use desktop cube my desktop whitens out09:53
Xerossuhm flake you have any suggestions or should i reinstall ?09:53
xenolDocTomoe: all the time i have to reload compiz09:54
DocTomoexenol: sounds like a driver issue? NVidia?09:54
xenolDocTomoe: ati09:54
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DocTomoexenol: "official" drivers?09:54
xenolDocTomoe: flgrx or whats that crap called09:55
xenolDocTomoe: but prob is it shows dri vers r installed and working correctly :/ i got probs on feisty watching films when my drivers were not installed09:56
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DocTomoe"working correctly" does not mean "working correctly ANY TIME". you might want to update the drivers, or stick without compiz.09:57
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xenolDocTomoe: without compiz why kubuntu is so sluggish :/09:57
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DocTomoexenol: I am not houndini ... there are a thousand reasons machines are "sluggish". Inadequate hardware, too small swap space, just to name a few09:59
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Xerosshow do you install with the alternate install ?10:00
xenolDocTomoe: my kubuntu was running w/o any probs till installing and logging to xgl session10:00
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DocTomoexenol: you might try sudo apt-get --purge remove xserver-xgl10:00
DocTomoexenol: then, try restarting your x-server with [alt] -[strg] -[backspace] 10:01
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xenolDocTomoe:  will that remove xgl?10:02
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xenolDocTomoe: i want to keep it :S only want to know why it doesnt work as it should :/10:02
flakeXeross - sorry, I have no idea10:02
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flakeare you sure it is hanging?10:03
Xerosswaited for 5 mins and it didnt move10:03
Xerossand my pc was more silent then ever10:03
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manuel__how can i start an Eterm window before KDM apperars and write into it?10:05
manuel__thanks for help10:05
manuel__i need this because of my luks enctypted home partition10:06
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lipanhai all10:07
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luca_hi everyone10:09
luca_does someone know how to slow down the strigdaemon?10:09
Xerosscya gonna reinstall10:10
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manuel__ok i test something cu later10:13
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Kachnahow can i unpack .rar with password on linux? :/ (well,i know the password,but not the way :P)10:15
luca_Kachna: install the unrar package10:16
Kachnayep i have it :P10:16
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Kachnawell was trying to do it in gui...i see now :)10:17
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monziehi all10:17
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monzieI want set the resolution to 1440x960 , ( i switched to a new monitor )10:18
monziecan someone please guide me as to how to do it?10:18
Kachnaluca_: ok works fine in console,thanks :)10:18
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Kachnamonzie: create that value in xorg.conf...screen section i think10:19
monzieThe monitor is now at 1280x1024 which sucks :(10:19
monzieKachna:  i have already done that10:19
Kachnarestarted X?10:20
monzieKachna: yup10:21
Kachnamm strange10:21
Kachnai've no idea then :(10:21
monzieit now comes up in 1280x1024, which makes it particularly hard to read10:21
JesterHi, I'm trying to figure out how the openoffice theme is set up in kubuntu. It looks like any other kde app with kde icons. the best I've been trying to achieve on another distro is gnome theme+icons using OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome or the ugly default theme and kde icons with OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=kde. However, on kubuntu this env. variable isn't even used. Anyone knows how this works ?10:22
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pionhello everyone10:24
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DocTomoeI have some weird sonud issue with kubuntu on a shuttle pc. this machine has two sound cards, the onboard HDA ULI M5461 and an Audigy2 ZS. For wome weird reason, sound works 33% of the reboots, but not on the other two thirds. Where can I look?10:28
flakeDocTomoe - have you tried to disable the onboard soundcard through bios?10:29
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manuel__hi im back10:31
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yeo__morning all10:43
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manuel__how can i start a failsave session as the user root (with the # at start)10:47
flake  /dev/dsp  is for OSS audio?10:48
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yeo__manuel__, you need to assign a password to root. but you also need to allow login in the KDE options10:48
yeo__(login from the login screen that is)10:49
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ardchoilleyeo__ , manuel__ We don't recommend logging in as root. Use sudo.10:49
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ubotusudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.10:50
momalAnyone know much about 5.1 under k/ubuntu ?10:50
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manuel__i know about sudo but if i start a failsave session i start it as user and this is ok but i need the shell as root and only the shell10:51
ardchoillemanuel__: Then you can do: sudo -i10:51
ardchoillemanuel__: But logging in as root is a bad thing10:51
JesterHi, I'm trying to figure out how the openoffice appearance is set up in kubuntu. It looks like any other kde app (theme+icons). The best I've been able to achieve on another distro is gnome theme+icons using OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome or the ugly default theme and kde icons with OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=kde. However, on kubuntu this env. variable isn't even used. Anyone knows how this works ?10:52
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manuel__i build my own session becouse luks encrypted home10:52
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ardchoilleJester: man ooffice mentions "--widgets-set" but I don't know if it needs qt or kde and I don't know how to use it.10:57
Jesterardchoille: ooh interesting. thanks I'll check it out10:58
ardchoilleJester: Lemme know if you figure it out, I've been trying to do the same thing in kde10:58
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Jesterardchoille: the OOo that ships with kubuntu by default looks perfect, I just want to replicate the behavior elsewhere ;)10:59
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ardchoilleJester: It looks good, but it doesn't behave like my other kde apps. I have a menubar at the top of the screen and OOo doesn't honour it11:01
ardchoille.. which is why I use koffice11:02
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TheGateKeeperwhen is the next lts version released ?11:03
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Jesterapril 2008 I believe11:03
TheGateKeeperahhh ok thanks Jester11:04
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ubotuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases11:05
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highlandersalut a  vous11:07
JimmyDeeardchoille: sleeep man. sleeep11:07
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Jesterthe timing for 8.04 LTS is quite good... xorg-server-1.4 kde-4, and all the power enhancements (dynticks x86_64), virtualization stuff fully merged11:08
Jestergonna be a nice release11:08
ardchoilleJimmyDee: Sleep? What's that?11:08
Jucato(kde4.x not going into LTS)11:08
Jesterreally, that's too bad11:08
highlanderj'ai un proble de pilote ati avec kubunt7.0411:08
Jucatonot by default at least11:08
Jucato!fr | highlander11:08
ubotuhighlander: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.11:08
Jucatokde4 packages will always be available though11:09
highlanderi'm sorry11:09
ardchoilleJucato: Really? Wow, looks like we'll be waiting a while for inclusion11:09
Jucatoyeah. but who knows....11:09
Jucatothe important thing is that packages will be made available11:09
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JesterJucato: yeah but maintaining KDE-4 all these years would have been more interesting than KDE 311:10
Jesteror supporting, rather11:10
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Jester"long term support" -> long term support for whatever ships with LTS ie kde-311:11
Jucato"would have been more interesting", but goes against the reason for an LTS11:12
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bjacobhi. how can I install gcc 4.2 on kubuntu feisty, without replacing the installed 4.1 ?11:20
JimmyDeesorry I'm just a bit sleepy, but why would you want both?11:22
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bjacobi'm developing a c++ library and want to see if g++ 4.2 optimizes it better than 4.111:22
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JimmyDeegood reason, as for how, dunno11:23
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bjacobwill compile gcc 4.3-pre from sources, then11:24
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manuel__how can i mount luks partitions on kdm start?11:24
Jestermanuel__: add it to /usr/kde/3.5/share/config/kdm/kdmrc11:26
ugabjacob: aren't thee multiple debs for separate gcc versions, in feisty? there are for gutsy at least11:26
manuel__what schould i add?11:26
ugain gutsy you can install 3.3, 3.4, 4.1,4.2...11:26
bjacobin feisty it doesn't go beyond 4.111:27
Jesterand you can install them side by side ?11:27
bjacobi'll compile 4.3 from source package11:27
ugabjacob: oh okay then11:27
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ugabjacob: I was about to suggest to use the gutsy debs, but possibly that would be a nightmare that would force you a full system upgrade11:28
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xenolis it possible to turn off shadows on compizfusion?11:28
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manuel__Jester: what shoud i write into it?11:30
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Jestermanuel__: the mount commands11:31
manuel__Jester: in the end if the file ?11:31
manuel__opk thx i try it now11:33
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ugaJester: kdmrc isn't a runnable script. it's a config file11:34
ugait won't be executed11:34
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manuel__Jester: nothing happend11:36
Jesterhumm I might have mixed two files11:36
Jesterwhatever happened to the true meaning of rc files11:36
ugaJester: rc files are config files for all kde apps11:36
ugamanuel__: edit /etc/init.d/kdm11:36
ugathat's the service that starts up kdm11:36
ugaie, the one that executes it11:37
manuel__uga: can you post your kdm plz11:37
ugakdmrc is just a list of parameters that kdm will read when starting up. It's not a shell script11:37
ugamanuel__: my what11:37
manuel__./etc/init.d/kdm with luks opening comamnds11:38
Jesteryes imo that's not right, it should be named kdm.conf then, rc is run commands plain and simple (by convention)11:38
manuel__ok i have modded the kdm file in init.d i test it now11:39
ugaJester: whatever anyone's conventions are, you can't just go and say mod this or that file without looking what it does...11:41
ugathere's a good reason why they're stored under share/config11:42
ugajust config files11:42
ugabtw, wtf is a "luk"11:42
ugaor a luk partition11:42
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Evolution2can someone help me compile a couple of tarballs11:48
Evolution2iam new to linux11:48
Jucato!compile | Evolution211:49
ubotuEvolution2: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)11:49
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Evolution2yeah i tried11:50
sn00pyhi! i'm using kubuntu 7.10 and i have an ati card (fglrx). can i run "Compiz" ? it fails to start, it sais i need xgl(?)11:50
sn00pyhow can i activate it will it work?11:51
Jucatosn00py: try in #ubuntu-effects11:51
Evolution2well the details are i want to install kooldock off source11:51
Jucatowell you do need XGL afaik. so..11:51
JucatoEvolution2: you tried the one in the repository? what problems are you having?11:51
Evolution2i didnt11:52
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Evolution2i downloaded the new version from KDE look11:52
Evolution2and its a source11:52
ugaJucato: can't ati use aiglx yet??11:52
Jucato!info kooldock | Evolution211:52
ubotuevolution2: kooldock: Dock for KDE with cool visual enhancements. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 521 kB, installed size 964 kB11:52
Evolution2and i have no clue how to install or start11:52
Jucatouga: dunno really11:52
Evolution2not that one11:53
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ugaEvolution2: theres a kooldock package in gutsy11:53
Evolution2i have FF11:53
Jucatohe wants a more updated version11:54
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JucatoEvolution2: first time trying to compile somethign from source11:54
ugaEvolution2: I was wondering if there was one for feisty too11:54
Jucatook she, sorry11:54
Evolution2hmm no clue11:54
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ugaEvolution2: you'll need to install a lot of -dev files, but the process is simple. ./configure; make; sudo make install11:54
Evolution2appearently there are two kooldocks11:54
Jucatotry reading the link about Compiling Software11:54
Evolution20.3 and 0.4.711:54
Jucatoit should guide you about the basic steps11:55
Jucato!info kooldock feisty-backports11:55
ubotuPackage kooldock does not exist in feisty-backports11:55
enjoi1216whats going on Evolution11:55
Evolution2the 0.4.7 has some reflection taskbar which i like too11:55
Evolution2i already have crystal project intalled11:56
Evolution2well...they are all tarballs...11:56
enjoi1216hey room i know that they say Linux Kubuntu they say never needs defragmentation but is there any defragmentation software for linux and how can i reset Linus to make it run faster11:56
Jucatoreset Linus..heheh :)11:57
ugaenjoi1216: each time a file is written to disk, the fragmentation is kept to minimum. That's why it doesn't need that. And no, afaik there's no defrag tool11:57
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Jucatoactually there is :)11:57
Jucato!info defrag11:57
flakeby default after 30 mounts it does do a harddrive check11:58
ubotudefrag: ext2, minix and xiafs filesystem defragmenter. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.73pjm1-8ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 68 kB, installed size 208 kB11:58
enjoi1216well uga i'm not trying to be stupid11:58
enjoi1216but i'm just curious11:58
Jucatobut look it's for ext211:58
ugaI'm not trying either ;)11:58
Jucatowhich doesn't have journaling11:58
Jucatoflake: but not because of fragmentation11:58
ugaJucato: oh heh, not nice =)11:58
ugaminix maybe, heh11:58
enjoi1216because i mean you neve really know because someone like in the u.s. could invent something or good lor somebody invent something for linux11:58
enjoi1216over in Germany11:59
Jucatoenjoi1216: the default filesystem, ext3, uses a journaling system that minimizes defragmentation. so there really is no need to defrag...11:59
ugaminimizes "fragmentation" I hope. Else we are in trouble ;)11:59
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ugaafaik even ext2 kept fragmentation to minimals12:00
Jucatolol sorry12:00
enjoi1216well jucato i ws reading in a red hat book and i mean this has been long ago12:00
Jucatoenjoi1216: and it's still true today. that means it's gooooood :)12:00
enjoi1216and it said that the way that linux is installed on your harddrive that it does not fragment itself at all12:00
Jucatoer sorry about that. journalling = for corruption12:01
ugaenjoi1216: each time a piece is written to the disk, it tries not to fragment it12:01
ugathat's why there's no need to defrag afterwards12:01
enjoi1216so in other words uga it tries not to scatter it everywhere12:01
flakemine still runs quick since first install12:02
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Jesterit's just that unix filesystems have traditionally been much more aware of the geometry of a disk, and the cost of less abstraction for diverse hardware12:02
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flakeJester - watch your mouth, there are kids in here12:02
enjoi1216so technically linux does not fragment itself at all on all terms12:03
ugaflake: LOL12:03
Jesterflake: I don't get it lol12:03
ugaJester: summary: your loquaciousness blew his mind =)12:04
flake:] 12:04
mirage`I have a problem installing nvidia drivers: http://users.tkk.fi/~mirage/nvidia-installer.log12:04
mirage`which packages I actually need to have installed to get the nvidia installer working?12:05
flakemirage -  synaptic?12:05
Jesterenjoi1216: no it does fragment, but for example where ntfs will throw a file on a sector until it runs of of free space then resume elsewhere (not entirely true), ext2 will take into account the number of platters on the disk and arrange the file as such so there is less movement of the reading head. sorry that doesn't go very much in depth but that's the best I can manage right now :P12:05
ugamirage`: you need to install libc6-dev12:05
ugahad you read the error, you'd know ;)12:05
uga"ERROR: You do not appear to have libc header files installed on your system."12:06
ugaso just install them12:06
ugaand it'll build12:06
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mirage`uga: thanks, just didn't know which package it is12:06
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enjoi1216well i didn't know jester because now since i am getting used to Kubuntu and feeling more comfortable with the operating system i'm wanting to tweek and tune it and get it setup and liek make Kubuntu superfast12:07
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Jesterjust build a nice RAID for great speed and less work :P12:08
enjoi1216well is there anyway you can tweak and tune the Linux software12:08
ugait's a shame that kubuntu doesn't do parallel service startup (afaik)12:08
enjoi1216i mean i'm not trying to destroy it but i mean just things you can do to keep everything in spec12:09
Jesterwell yes, you could use gentoo and build everything from source, with insane gcc compile flags for example12:09
Jesterand prelink all your binaries, for shits and giggles12:09
ugaJester: and brokenness ;)12:09
enjoi1216jester i'll tell you something that you will laugh your ass off at12:09
ugaJester: gentoo's parallel service startup works just nicely though12:10
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persen_Any good apps to browse a smb network? Like check what shares the PC with name \\MYCOMP has12:10
Jesteruga: agreed12:10
enjoi1216back in the day i remember when we were studying redhat linux 6.012:10
ugawhy would I want to wait for the network to be loaded to be able to start up X for example12:10
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Jesteruga: iirc they are working on replacing init altogether with init-ng12:10
ugaJester: I installed that around... 2 years ago? =)12:10
ugaon gentoo12:10
mirage`uga: got the drivers installed, but now the X fails to start with an error: Failed to load NVIDIA kernel module!12:11
Jesteruga: I think I tried it but it had problems heh12:11
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ugamirage`: strange... can you check if /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko exists?12:13
ugaJester: it was buggy at the beginning, but I managed fixing it nicely12:13
Jestermight be worth another try...12:13
enjoi1216well see you had to manually setup your XWindows settings when you were doing a linux install well when you setup your video card you had to setup your video settings either a little less or more depending on how  many megabytes your video card was well if you exceeded your video settings like beyond the megabytes on your video card you coudl actually burn or blow your monitor up because you were outputting too much at one12:13
enjoi1216time there was actually a guy that did that back in redhat linux 6.0 that my college professor was telling me about i mean it's just crazy that linux is that powerful of an operating system12:13
ugathat was on too, though12:13
ugaJester: I don't think I'd dare installing it on kubuntu12:14
ugatoo easy to break12:14
mirage`uga: nw, just had to reinstall the kernel-restricted module, which I had removed when following instructions from nvtalk boards12:14
mirage`works now.. ty12:14
ugaenjoi1216: do you have ,. symbols in your keyboard layout??12:14
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Jesterenjoi1216: lol12:15
enjoi1216no i don't12:15
enjoi1216what makes you last12:15
enjoi1216yeah i am the covenant from halo12:15
enjoi1216i use an alienated format unique keyboard12:15
Jucatoum guys... #kubuntu-offtopic please12:15
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ugamirage`: wrong12:16
Jesterenjoi1216: "XWindows" is kind of a forbidden word in some circles, for reference ;)12:16
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ugamirage`: restricted modules install their own nvidia drivers. Installing them will prevent xorg from loading the Nvidia driver you just installed12:16
ugaso it's not using it12:16
ugaeither you install linux-restricted-modules, or nvidia .run. But not both12:17
mirage`but, not the nvidia-settings is working etc.12:17
TautoaMorning all. Does anyone know how to change the location of the Kopete chat logs? :)12:17
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ugamirage`: whatever, but building nvidia was pointless12:17
ugait's not using it12:17
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enjoi1216hey if i accidentally cussed i would like to apologize room i didn't mean to i was trying to keep it clean and i just accidentally slipped up12:18
momalHey, can anyone who has set up 5.1 with k/ubuntu help me out. I have a set of logitech 5.1 speakers they all work but the center speaker(front)  I set kaffine/amarok to use xine,alsa,5.1 surround. Kmix and alsamixer seem to be all set correctly 6channel, everything there full volume. The cables+speaker do work fine (tested that already) I am using on board sound card "Nvidia CK804, Realtek ALC850"12:19
mirage`uga: can I see it from any log file which driver it is using atm?12:19
ugamirage`: did you see an nvidia splashscreen?12:19
ugawhen loading X12:19
mirage`no, it just bring up the login screen immediately12:19
ugathen it's using the lrm one12:19
ugaelse it'd have shown a nice nvidia screen first12:20
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ugamirage`: try "modinfo nvidia"12:25
ugawhat does it say12:25
ugathat's the one that modprobe would have loaded12:25
ugaunless modprobe is hacked in a different way12:25
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ugait'd have been faster :P12:27
uga"got a problem with..." "gimme your IP address"... "done"12:28
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RivaeAeryaWhat's the best iconset for KDE?12:29
ugaRivaeAerya: depends on how bad your taste is ;)12:30
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto12:30
RivaeAeryauga: hmm, i'd like an iconset with much detail and looks like it's been painted or drawed out on paper12:31
ugaRivaeAerya: you have tons of icon sets in http://www.kde-look.org12:31
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ugaRivaeAerya: there http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=22x2712:32
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Jucato!info kde-icons-nuvola12:32
ubotukde-icons-nuvola: Nuvola icon theme for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.final-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 13355 kB, installed size 22928 kB12:32
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ugaRivaeAerya: sorry no, there http://www.kde-look.org/?xcontentmode=2712:32
JucatoRivaeAerya: ^^^ :)12:32
ubotuUsually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.12:33
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about worst - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi12:33
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ugaI expected something like "don't ever try to use mplayer to edit your sudoers file. That's the worst approach. Use visudo instead"12:34
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mauriwhen i install updates from adept it says the errors you can find in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39012/12:44
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waylandbillmauri: there is a device in your xorg.conf that does not exist. You can ignore the warning or edit the xorg.conf to make it go away12:46
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waylandbilluga: I'm not sure that would be a good tidbit as mplayer isn't a text editor. :)12:47
enjoi1216hey uga are you still out there12:47
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Jesteruga is omnipotent12:47
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ugawaylandbill: a good reason for not using it as an editor, right? =)12:47
ugaJester: lol12:47
kaminixIf I play a vob file through mplayer via the console, will I see all errors the file contains? If I get no error, can I be sure my video is error free then?12:48
enjoi1216hey uga i found a degragmenter for Kubuntu12:48
mauriwaylandbill: do you know wich is the devices that is not existing12:48
waylandbillkaminix: error free? I suppose you could have corrupted video and it would not necessarily produce errors.12:48
enjoi1216but the thing is i don't know where to find the file at because it said that it stored it in my file home from the way i understood it12:48
ugaenjoi1216: defrag - ext2, minix and xiafs filesystem defragmenter ?12:49
kaminixwaylandbill: Is there any non-checksum way to see that a videofile (vob) is errorfree?12:49
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ugaenjoi1216: that's only for ext2 filesystems. Although it possibly works for ext3 too12:49
ugait's same fs internally12:50
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enjoi1216well i just want to try it to see what it's liek and see how much more quicker it makes my system12:50
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waylandbillkaminix: checksum... hmm.. an md5 of when it was made would be a good idea. :)12:51
ugasudo defrag /dev/sda1 -> or something like that, possibly12:51
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Jestercmake is so colorful12:51
enjoi1216now wait a minute uga is that a command line you are giving me12:51
kaminixwaylandbill: and if I don't have that? ^^12:51
waylandbillmauri: one that is not installed in your system such as a wacom driver.12:51
kaminixwaylandbill: note: non-checksum. ^^12:52
mauriwaylandbill: what is it wacom12:52
enjoi1216is that i command line that i can use to degrag linux uga12:52
waylandbillkaminix: what are you trying to find out? if it has gotten corrupted or something? I don't know that you can tell unless you know exactly how the file was when it was made.12:52
kaminixwaylandbill: exactly, if there are errors in the video.12:53
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waylandbillmauri: I'm not saying it is wacom or not. That's typically one that is included in the xorg.conf that is not always installed in the hardware. You have to look at the file and determine which is not installed in your computer.12:54
ugaenjoi1216: "man defrag"12:54
ugawill tell you12:54
ugaI don't have it installed12:54
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waylandbillkaminix: if someone else created it, then ask them for a checksum of the original. If you created it, all I can suggest is to checksum it next time.12:54
enjoi1216well how do i go about finding that uga12:55
mauriwaylandbill: yes you are right, there is a wacom dirver in the xorg.conf but what i asked you was what is a wacom, which type of device12:55
enjoi1216or do i just punch it in on a commmand line12:55
ugaenjoi1216: as I said, on a command line "man defrag"12:55
ugathat's the manual12:55
ugaI can't tell how to use it since I don't have it installed12:55
waylandbillmauri: oh. sorry. It's a tablet.12:56
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waylandbilluga: defrag?!?12:57
ugawaylandbill: he insists on defragging his disk12:57
ugathere's a deb package12:57
waylandbilluga, enjoi1216: the kernel defrags the disk automatically.12:57
ugawaylandbill: he insists on defragging his disk12:57
ugawaylandbill: he insists on defragging his disk12:57
enjoi1216ok uga12:57
enjoi1216i'm just asking how12:57
enjoi1216now don't get haterfied12:58
waylandbilldon't make me repeat what the kernel does. =)12:58
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ugaenjoi1216: lol no. The asnwer is "I don't know, read the manual"12:58
ugaenjoi1216: so "man defrag" and read through it12:58
ugaI can't explain how to use a tool that I don't even have installed12:58
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enjoi1216it doesn't have a manual on how to defrag linux12:58
enjoi1216but anyway i do have that program downloaded12:58
ugaenjoi1216: then try defrag --help12:59
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waylandbillenjoi1216: you are not required to defrag as in windows xp. It is handled by the kernel. It will relocate files on the disk whenever it determines it is necessary to.12:59
kaminixI thought you didn't need to defragment Linux filesystems?12:59
ugawaylandbill: he knows12:59
kaminixThere. :up12:59
enjoi1216but wayland i want to learn how12:59
ugawaylandbill: and still wants to defrag it. So why not ;)12:59
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waylandbillenjoi1216: I wouldn't trust a program that does something like that since it's already being handled. I wouldn't want it done outside of a LiveCD at the very least.01:00
mauriwaylandbill: what is it  a tablet01:00
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waylandbillmauri: you use a pen to write on it and it appears on the screen. It's used for graphics applications.01:01
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mauriwaylandbill: ok now I understand but i don't understad why it is in the xorg file even if i don't have this tools01:02
enjoi1216uga i downloaded the file01:02
enjoi1216it downloaded it the the linux kernel01:03
ugalinux kernel???01:03
waylandbillenjoi1216: you don't have to think of the environment in a way that's similar to windows. There are differences that there is no equivalent. In this case it is a good thing. Why would I want to waste cpu time and my time to defrag?01:03
Alp`i try to customize the kde style. in fact i dont have an idea how to make the whole bottom system bar appear in another color. how can i do this?01:04
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waylandbillmauri: it's there to support those tools. I agree that it should be inserted only after detection. That's probably the key though. Perhaps it can't be easily detected at install without adding more libraries and such.01:05
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waylandbillAlp`: right click the kicker panel, select configure and look at the Appearance page.01:05
mauriwaylandbill: thk you very much01:06
waylandbillAlp`: (the bottom bar's name is kicker BTW)01:06
Alp`waylandbill: thank you01:06
Alp`that was an easy one -.- i searched in kcontrol01:06
waylandbillAlp`: in kde almost anything can be right clicked and configured when it comes to the desktop environment. I think it's part of the design plan.01:07
enjoi1216hey uga it said to make sure i had the universe component installed how do i install the universe component01:07
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ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu01:08
Alp`waylandbill: ok. but i guess a central with all needed information is good too01:08
Jesteruga: oO $ rc-update show | wc -l && ng-update show | wc -l01:08
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waylandbillAlp`: most is also available in kcontrol as well.01:09
ugaJester: ng-update is the config tool, right?01:10
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Jesteruga: yeah, to add/remove scripts to runlevels, similar to rc-update01:10
Jesteruga: but there's a shitload of them already included :P01:11
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ugaJester: are you using it on kubuntu??01:12
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.01:12
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ugawaylandbill: I'll never more use the word kubuntu, sorry01:13
enjoi1216hey uga can you help me01:13
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ugaenjoi1216: if you tell me what you did and what you're trying to do ;)01:14
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enjoi1216ok i used the command uga that you told me to use in order to download the software but it said to make sure that i have universe installed on my computer01:15
Evolution2hey guys, i was just wondering if there is a way to extract a folder into /usr/share/apps because it tells me that i dont have enough permissions01:16
ugaenjoi1216: I didn't tell you any commands to download the software... what did you exactly run01:16
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nosrednaekimEvolution2: prefix with "sudo"01:16
Evolution2how to do i type the command01:16
enjoi1216well it installed the software01:16
waylandbill!universe | enjoi121601:17
ubotuenjoi1216: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu01:17
enjoi1216but the thing is i don't know if i have universe to make the defragmenting software work01:17
ugaenjoi1216: which software. From the message it seems you haven't actually installed01:17
ugathat's why I'm asking how you installed it ;)01:17
waylandbillenjoi1216: that tells exactly about the universe and how to enable it. If you're running fiesty it's already enabled BTW.01:17
enjoi1216yeah i'm running fiesty01:18
enjoi1216ok it said it installed the program and i went to add remove programs to look the program up and i didn't see it01:18
waylandbillenjoi1216: that worries me more. The instructions reference enabling universe which makes me assume it was for edgy or dapper.01:18
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waylandbillenjoi1216: what is the name of the program you installed? I'm curious now.01:19
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enjoi1216what so you can sit around and preach and harp at me some more01:19
miroslav_hi all01:19
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miroslav_here anybody can speak russian ?01:20
miroslav_i have question about XMMS cyrillic problem01:20
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miroslav_with Ubuntu 7.0401:21
Jucato!ru | miroslav_01:22
ubotumiroslav_:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke01:22
enjoi1216http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe defrag 0.73pjm1-8ubuntu1 [70.1kB] 01:22
enjoi1216thats what i downloaded uga01:22
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waylandbillenjoi1216: I would like to see it and investigate it's source code. but if you don't want to give the information then I won't lose sleep over it.01:22
Evolution2nosrednaekim: can you be more specific01:22
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ubotu   #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke01:23
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enjoi1216wayland i just gave it to you01:23
ugaenjoi1216: you don't need to download the package and separately install them. adept_manager downloads and installs it for you01:23
miroslav_ubuntu 10x01:23
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ugaenjoi1216: I'm not sure how you are doing that or what you're using. Please follow the url waylandbill pointed at you01:24
ugathat will explain you how to enable universe and install packages01:24
ugaenjoi1216: if you already installed it through adept_manager, then you can use it from command line01:24
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enjoi1216but see thats the thing uga i don't see it in adept manager to see if the program is there01:25
enjoi1216like i can't see the progarm visually when i go to add remove programs01:25
uga!universe | enjoy01:25
ubotuenjoy: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu01:25
uga!universe | enjoi121601:26
ubotuenjoi1216: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu01:26
ugaargh, better01:26
ugaenjoi1216: follow those instructions and you'll see it in adept01:26
ugaelse it's only in gutsy, and I won't be abl eto help... :/01:26
enjoi1216ok uga help me hands on01:26
ugaenjoi1216: just follow the instructions in that page and enable universe, please01:27
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devianceIs there an official release date for gutsy yet?01:27
waylandbill"However, defrag is old (last updated August 1997!), is unmaintained, was always experimental, and is very likely dangerous to your data. (If you do use it, it's vital that you allow it to complete, or you will almost certainly lose data.)"01:27
ugaif we went and explained it each time somebody asks, the channel would be about repeating alwasy same thing. that's what the doc was created01:27
devianceIm guessing some time in october01:27
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enjoi1216uga that page you gave me isn't worth a crap01:28
michael_Hi Leute01:28
enjoi1216everytime i go there looking for something i get confused about what to do01:29
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ugaenjoi1216: those are step by step instructions on how to enable repositories, in your case, universe01:29
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waylandbillit tells exact steps with pictures even.01:29
ugaenjoi1216: they are pretty clear, if you can't follow them, maybe you should ask somebody to come over and help01:30
ugaI can't help better than those pictures01:31
enjoi1216uga it's confsusing01:31
nosrednaekimEvolution2: what command are you using to extract?01:31
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Jesteruga: no not kubuntu ;)01:31
Evolution2nosrednaekim: thats the thing, i dont know. i was trying to do it manually01:32
ugaJester: shame. I'm so very tempted to install it, but I know, I know for real sure that *buntu will have some weird tangled scripts that won't boot if not run under the standard system...01:32
waylandbillEvolution2: what have you tried already? what type of archive is it you're trying to unpack?01:33
nosrednaekimEvolution2: ok do "sudo tar xvzf <archive> /usr/share/apps"01:33
ugaJester: initng in dapper, heh https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InitNG01:33
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emilsedgh_people who want to try KDE4, my friend created new packages.his packages are small and include playground branch of plasma (which has most of the plassmoids): http://khorshid.ut.ac.ir/~s.taghavi/downloads/kde4-trunk/01:35
Jestersysvinit is so slow it's terrible01:35
nosrednaekimemilsedgh_: there is an official place to get those...01:36
emilsedgh_nosrednaekim: really? where? Beta2 packages are huge and do not include playground branch01:37
Jucatonot as packaged debs though01:37
nosrednaekimemilsedgh_: ah.... didn't see the playground part.01:37
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JucatoF1 F1 F1!!!!01:37
nosrednaekimemilsedgh_: are they SVN or beta2?01:37
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emilsedgh_nosrednaekim: svn01:38
darkman1983hi all01:38
phoenix7emilsedgh_: thanks about announce01:38
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darkman1983i have a question! ^^01:39
nosrednaekimemilsedgh_: ah... now thats nice. How often are they built?01:39
Jucatodarkman1983: ask01:39
nosrednaekimdarkman1983: ask!01:39
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emilsedgh_Jucato: whats your problem with Kopete? I love it, really more than YMessenger, just install K0NE chat window and love it! ;)01:39
emilsedgh_nosrednaekim: oh, phoenix7 created them :)01:39
Jucatoemilsedgh_: read my comment :)01:39
darkman1983will the x-fi beta drivers released on 25.09. get included to the restricted modules?01:39
darkman1983i was just waiting for x-fi drivers to switch to linux *g*01:40
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enjoi1216ok uga here is what i found out about universe01:40
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enjoi1216"universe" component01:41
enjoi1216The universe component is a snapshot of the free, open source, and Linux world. In universe you can find almost every piece of open source software, and software available under a variety of less open licences, all built automatically from a variety of public sources. All of this software is compiled against the libraries and using the tools that form part of main, so it should install and work well with the software in01:41
enjoi1216main, but it comes with no guarantee of security fixes and support. The universe component includes thousands of pieces of software. Through universe, users are able to have the diversity and flexibility offered by the vast open source world on top of a stable Ubuntu core.01:41
enjoi1216Canonical does not provide a guarantee of regular security updates for software found in universe but will provide these where they are made available by the community. Users should understand the risk inherent in using packages from the universe component.01:41
enjoi1216Popular or well supported pieces of software will move from universe into main if they are backed by maintainers willing to meet the standards set for main by the Ubuntu team.01:41
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)01:41
Jucato!flood | enjoi121601:41
ubotuenjoi1216: please see above01:41
ugaenjoi1216: pasting huge lines is forbidden in this channel...01:41
enjoi1216ok i didn't know that01:41
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ugaenjoi1216: universe is a third party maintained repository for packages. you just need to follow the instructions in the page I pointed to you, and enable it01:42
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu01:42
ugaenjoi1216: once enabled, update the package list and you'll see your packages there01:42
ugadeviance: 3rd time we point to the url01:42
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enjoi1216but uga you don't understand i have read and read and read that page again and it's not telling me how to enable universe01:43
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waylandbillof course he's running fiesty, so it's already enabled. I provided the link so he has a better understanding of the repositories in general.01:43
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ugaenjoi1216: just follow it until the end where it says "enable the features you want" or similar. one of the features is "universe"01:43
ugais it that hard?01:43
waylandbillenjoi1216: it's enabled by default in fiesty.01:43
enjoi1216wayland please just for one minute01:44
enjoi1216uga continue please01:44
ugaenjoi1216: it's just that. Follow the instructions until the end, and enable universe01:44
ugait's the only thing you need to do ;)01:44
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ugaif you can't understand something in concrete, just point us to it, and we'll discuss01:45
ugabut there's no point in describing all steps that have already been written down01:45
waylandbillto which I have to say that the fact that the site references enabling universe may mean that it has not been maintained in a bit and therefore caution should be used.01:45
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waylandbillat the very, very least backup all your data before attempting to manually defrag. That's the point that needs to be stressed.01:46
ugawaylandbill: well, the application remains still same01:46
emilsedgh_Jucato: what are plans for 8.04, do you know/report/wish anything?01:46
Jucatoother than LTS? nope01:46
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waylandbilluga: that's true, but it's hard to predict changes in the system that the application may not have been written to handle.01:47
ugawaylandbill: you're saying adept is broken? =)01:48
waylandbilluga: no. I meant the defrag program. I hope adept isn't broken. lol01:48
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emilsedgh_Jucato: what you wish to see in kubuntu? (asking because you, st-din and people who support others know issues better that everyone)01:48
ugaah heh01:48
nosrednaekimheh.... slashdot is down :)01:48
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ugawaylandbill: when I said application is same, I was referring to adept and the instructions to enable universe01:49
uganot to defrag01:49
waylandbilluga: I understand that now. :-D01:49
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Jucatoemilsedgh_: um.. too many to mention... and probably offtopic. I did mention one in my blog post though :P01:49
waylandbillJucato: where's your blog located?01:50
Jucatowaylandbill: on Planet KDE and Planet Ubuntu :)01:50
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emilsedgh_Jucato: hope that they will be fixed too :P01:51
nosrednaekimyou know what I want? I want smarter users ;)01:51
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Jucatodon't!! we'd be out of a job01:52
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ugaoh damn, you guys get paid for _this_? I want too! =)01:52
Jucatoheh I wish!01:52
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MinnozzHi, I installed a new DVD writer yesterday, but it isn't in /media . how can I 'add' it there?01:53
waylandbillJucato: I like the Why KDE entry.01:54
Jucatowaylandbill: thanks :)01:54
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nosrednaekimMinnozz: is there a DVD in it?01:54
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Minnozznosrednaekim: Well, I have already used it to burn a dvd with, but in /media is only 'cdrom0' (I have 2 drives), and cdrom0 becomes the writer if I insert a disk in it (or so)01:55
uganosrednaekim: devices don't turn up in media:/ unless there's something in them01:55
uganeither dvds/cds nor CF readers, etc01:55
nosrednaekimuga: I know... thats why I was asking if there was a DVD/cd in it.01:56
MinnozzI tried it with an audio cd in the dvd drive and a game disk in the writer, but still only 'cdrom0'01:56
uganosrednaekim: ouch, sorry, wrong nick =)01:56
uganosrednaekim: just pop in your latest Vista DVD, you'll see a popup window arise. Open it, and you'll see it in media:/. At that point, open k3b, and overwrite the Vista DVD with something more usable ;)01:57
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nosrednaekimuga: no thanks!01:57
ugaouch, again,...01:57
waylandbillJucato: not only is there sometimes too many options, some screen resolutions make the options bigger than the window and you could miss that there is a scrollbar. That's the rough edge I've noticed. I'm sure it can frustrate a new user that never saw the dialog before.01:57
ugagotta train typing.... Mi...01:58
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uganosrednaekim: okay... that's more strange. It sounds like the device isn't configured01:58
uganosrednaekim: do you have devices like /dev/cdrw...01:58
ugamore than one of them?01:58
Jucatowaylandbill: yeah.. terrible ain't it? :)01:59
nosrednaekimI DON"T HAVE A PROBLEM :)01:59
Minnozzlol xD01:59
ubotuPLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.01:59
nosrednaekimMinnozz: try manually mounting it.01:59
ugaMinnozz: : do you have devices like /dev/cdrw...01:59
nosrednaekimJucato: thank you very very much.01:59
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Minnozzuga: there's 'cdrom' and 'cdrw'01:59
waylandbillMinnozz: when you insert a disc, kde should bring up an actions dialog. does that happen?02:00
ugauhm.. that sounds like a single detected drive02:00
Minnozzwaylandbill: yes it does02:00
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ugaMinnozz: what if you pop CDs into both drives02:00
ugado you see the two?02:00
ugaI thought the drive wasn't working, but if actions pop up, it means it is02:00
uganosrednaekim: btw, finally I managed typing the correct nick. hoooray02:01
Minnozzuga: I tried it yesterday with an audio cd and a data dvd, but the audio cd didn't show up in /media (but maybe that's normal?)02:01
waylandbillMinnozz: if you put a data cd in and say open in new window to that dialog, it should appear in media://  .. I don't know if an audio cd would appear there.02:01
ugaMinnozz: even the audio CD should turn up. You can open them and it'll show like ogg files inside02:01
nosrednaekimuga: tab completion...02:01
waylandbillMinnozz: it would appear on the desktop though.02:01
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ugawaylandbill: they do for me (audio cds)02:02
Minnozzwaylandbill: it does appear on the desktop02:02
uganosrednaekim: n<tab> doesn't give me Minnozz though ;)02:02
uganosrednaekim: stupid irc client :P02:02
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waylandbilluga: I had a feeling they did, but wasn't positive. :)02:03
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Minnozzhmm this is strange02:03
Minnozz2 data dvd's, one shows up as 'cdrom0' and the other as 'PCGP_DVD109', which is the title (both in /media)02:04
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Minnozzis that supposed to happen?02:04
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ugaMinnozz: yeah, it will identify as the DVD's name if it's got one02:05
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Minnozzok, then the 'problem' is solved, thanks all =)02:05
ugajust like, if you plug a CF card it'll read like "EOS Camera"02:05
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enjoi1216uga i tried those instructions on that webpage and i only get 2 steps of everything completed and then when i klik manage repositories i don't even have the same screen as it has in the webpage02:06
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ugaenjoi1216: ignore the screen on the webpage then. Under manage repositories, you should see the "universe" option02:07
ugajust enable it02:07
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nosredna_ekimEvolution2: sorry, internet crash02:08
nosredna_ekimEvolution2: can't PM now... did you do that?02:08
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MinnozzI had another question, yesterday when I finished burning a DVD from an image, the drive opened but couldn't close anymore. Is that a software error or a hardware failure?02:10
enjoi1216no uga because when i klik on adept i don't have a universe option02:10
ugaenjoi1216: are you in the manage repositories dialog?02:11
sn00pyhi! i installed samba on kubuntu 7.10 and shared one of my folders. when i try to access my notebook from windows i need to enter a loginname and password02:11
sn00pywhat is it?02:11
enjoi1216i'm in adept manager right now02:11
sn00pyi didn't set any in samba02:11
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waylandbillenjoi1216: K-Menu, System, Adept. Enter password. Adept menu, manage repositories, kubuntu software. Enable the universe entry.02:11
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ugawaylandbill: bet a beer that won't work ;)02:12
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waylandbillenjoi1216: then after that, close the software sources dialog and click fetch updates.02:12
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enjoi1216waylandbill thats the whole problem02:13
enjoi1216i can't do anything to enable universe02:13
ugawaylandbill: see?02:13
waylandbilluga: depends on the brand of beer if I take that bet. :)02:13
enjoi1216i feel like a dog chasing it's tail in circles it's just a little bit annoyying02:13
ugaenjoi1216: you just didn't read the options in that dialog02:14
waylandbillenjoi1216: do you see the checkbox for universe in that dialog?02:14
ugauniverse option is there02:14
MinnozzIs there a command to open the dvd drive tray?02:15
ugaMinnozz: eject02:15
enjoi1216yes i do wayland02:15
enjoi1216now what do i need to do02:15
waylandbillMinnozz: right click the icon on the desktop and select eject.02:15
waylandbillenjoi1216: is the checkbox checked (with an X in it)02:16
Minnozzwaylandbill: eject isn't in the list02:16
nosredna_ekimMinnozz: eject /dev/cdrom02:16
enjoi1216i'm getting ready to check it02:17
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waylandbillMinnozz: you could press the eject button on the drive itself. Kde will auto unmount it and eject it.02:17
Minnozzwaylandbill: that doesn't work...02:17
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emulationHi, I don't know how but I can not see my wireless network interface in KNetworkManager, is there a comment to take it back02:17
sn00pyI try again :) I shared a folder on linux with samba. Now I try to acces it through Windows. I have to enter a username and a password, what is it? I didn't set any password in samba!02:17
ugaMinnozz: gimme a second. Popping-in a CD myself02:17
enjoi1216ok i checked it now what02:17
enjoi1216do i klik close or reset02:18
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waylandbillMinnozz: interesting. nosredna_ekim's advice will work though. :)02:18
waylandbillenjoi1216: close. and don't forget to fetch updates02:18
JimmyDeeumm snoopy try your username and password for your unix logon02:18
adz21csn00py: have you set samba to share access not user access?02:18
Minnozznosredna_ekim: thanks, worked!02:18
Minnozz(the name was different though)02:18
ugaMinnozz: right click->Actions->eject02:19
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ugashould be there02:19
enjoi1216and now it tells me the information about available software is out of date what do i do now wayland bill02:19
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sn00pyWhere can I set it to "share" acces?02:19
adz21csn00py: what gui you using to configure samba?02:19
ugaenjoi1216: press "fetch updates"02:19
ugaon the main dialog02:19
enjoi1216uga i know that but to close that flag out uga do i need to close or reload it02:20
sn00pyI configure it in the "system settings" men02:20
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ugaenjoi1216: close what flag?02:20
enjoi1216and it also says in that flag that i need a working internet connection02:20
ugaenjoi1216: to enable universe you don't need to reload02:21
ugajust close the dialog, and fetch updates02:21
sn00pyi could also change it with the console but i don't know which file02:21
enjoi1216because when i kliked the universe check box heres what it said02:21
ugaenjoi1216: you have a working internet connection right?02:21
ugaelse how are you connecting to irc02:21
enjoi1216The information about available software is out-of-date02:21
enjoi1216To install software and updates from newly added or changed sources, you have to reload the information about available software.02:21
enjoi1216You need a working internet connection to continue.02:21
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enjoi1216thats the flag i'm getting uga02:21
adz21csn00py: I don't know where you look in the config files. Do you have the kde controll center on your menu?02:21
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ugaenjoi1216: say okay02:22
ugaand press fetch updates02:22
enjoi1216and my internet connection is working02:22
ugaso just go on02:22
ugait doesn't say "ERROR", right?02:22
eugeniociao facendo gli aggiornamenti a gutsy mi  uscito questo errore02:22
enjoi1216i can choose close or reload02:22
ugaenjoi1216: whichever02:22
enjoi1216which one do i select uga02:22
ugaenjoi1216: close will not update, reload will update02:22
ugaif you dont' update, then you can do so through "fetch updates"02:23
enjoi1216okay i told it to reload02:23
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sn00pyYes I cann also configure it with the KDE controll center02:23
enjoi1216now uga do i need to repeat the process after the system updates itself02:23
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ugaenjoi1216: no, just search for the defrag package02:24
adz21cunder internet and network, access samba, then its security there02:24
ugaenjoi1216: select it, press install, and then press "apply" on the toolbar02:24
ugayou're done02:24
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adz21csn00py: under internet and network, access samba, then its security level there,  select share02:24
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enjoi1216okay i'm going to go ahead and reinstall it since i messed up the first time i installed it02:25
sn00pyfound it thx!02:25
adz21csn00py: gd gd :-)02:26
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Minnozz] hydrairc02:28
Minnozz(sorry wrong window)02:29
enjoi1216ok uga now how to i find and run this program02:29
ugaenjoi1216: as I said before, open a console and type "man defrag". I can't help from this point on, because I don't have it installed myself, and it's discouraged to run it anyway02:30
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waylandbillenjoi1216: I would not recommend running on a mounted drive, especially the partition containing the operating system that is currently running.02:33
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waylandbillenjoi1216: if you don't understand what it is doing and how it does it, I don't recommend running it at all.02:34
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Stiloim using kubuntu and my fav browser is firefox. Is it normal, that the Buttons under the "search line" are blurred?02:36
enjoi1216i'm just rying to find the program waylandbill02:36
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waylandbillenjoi1216: the source code has defrag.c, so the executable would likely be 'defrag'\02:40
turborobbanhi can any one tell me a working flash player for 64bit kubuntu thx02:41
adz21cturborobban: most common way is to install a 32bit browser02:41
adz21cturborobban: I got it working in x64 konqueror but its a bit hacky02:41
nosredna_ekimturborobban: use nspluginwrapper02:41
turborobbanwill check that out m802:41
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enjoi1216waylandbill i entered it in the command line02:43
enjoi1216i typed defrag\02:43
enjoi1216and then it said this02:43
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)02:43
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enjoi1216and thats the only symbol that i got after that i didn't know what else to type in order to get it to work02:44
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LjLenjoi1216: well, of course, because \ is an escape character. if you don't type anything after it, it prompts02:44
LjLhit ctrl+c to go back to your shell prompt02:44
ugaturborobban: http://www.linux.com/articles/5538002:44
ugathat should help02:44
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enjoi1216ok but what to i type LjL02:45
enjoi1216because if i type defrag02:45
Chai_Sangeenhello everyone....02:45
LjLenjoi1216: i have no idea since i don't know what you want to do. i joined when you were already on this.02:45
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enjoi1216it says it can't determine the filesystem02:46
turborobbanthx <uga>02:46
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waylandbillenjoi1216: probably because you are running your operating system on that filesystem.02:46
LjLenjoi1216: be kind and start from the beginning please. you're trying to defragment a partition? which partition? why? is the partition mounted? is the partition ext3?02:46
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waylandbillenjoi1216: you probably would have to use sudo.02:47
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enjoi1216yeah it's ext302:47
LjLand ruing your mounted filesystem? sure.02:47
LjLruin even02:47
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LjLenjoi1216: is it mounted?02:47
enjoi1216i think so how do i mount it if it isn't02:47
LjLenjoi1216: it must NOT be mounted02:48
LjLotherwise you'll trash your data02:48
LjLenjoi1216: which partition is it?02:48
enjoi1216i don't know LjL02:48
Chai_Sangeenjust installed kubuntu 7.04 from the live cd on my macmini... everything worked well.  i also installed it twice on a another machine. installation says it was successful but one i reboot i don't see grub.. just a flashing cursor. can anyone help?02:48
LjLenjoi1216: you... don't know?02:48
waylandbillLjL: I've explained that the kernel does this automatically and using a manual one from 1998 is probably a bad idea. And I said to backup everything first.02:48
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LjLyou're trying to defragment a partition, but you don't know which?02:48
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LjLwaylandbill, the kernel doesn't do it automatically to be honest02:49
enjoi1216i'm defragmenting the operating system thats installed on this hard drive02:49
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enjoi1216and the only OS thats installed on this hard drive is linux02:49
LjLenjoi1216: and you're *running* that operating system right now?02:49
enjoi1216and that is all02:49
waylandbillLjL: I've also explained that using the program without knowing what it does and how it does it is not a wise idea as well.02:49
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enjoi1216i am02:49
enjoi1216i'm running on my desktop02:49
enjoi1216surfing the web02:49
LjLwaylandbill, not putting any blame on you, but enjoi1216, if you defragment a partition you are using, YOU WILL LOSE YOUR DATA02:50
LjLif you REALLY want to defragment it (but there is most likely absolutely no need to), start from a Live CD02:50
enjoi1216but how so02:50
LjLenjoi1216: because ext3 does not support online defragmentation.02:50
enjoi1216ok and how do i do that02:50
LjLenjoi1216: by putting a live CD in your drive and booting it?02:50
Chai_Sangeenit used to run ubuntu 7.04 and i never have any issues with installation..02:51
enjoi1216ok and what do i put in there02:51
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Chai_Sangeenplease if anyone can help me out.02:51
LjLenjoi1216: ...?02:51
enjoi1216i mean how do i defrag02:51
enjoi1216once i insert a live cd i don't understan d02:51
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LjLenjoi1216:  sudo defrag /dev/partitionname . you'd certainly have to find out the partition name first.02:51
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LjLenjoi1216: type  mount  to see.02:51
enjoi1216i'm not getting anywhere ljl02:53
waylandbillLjL: the filesystem is designed to reduce fragmentation was really my point. I didn't mean there is a process that goes and defragments.02:53
enjoi1216i need to know what to do so you can tell02:53
LjLwaylandbill: that one is true, yes02:53
LjLenjoi1216, i thought i just had.02:53
enjoi1216ljl please work with me please don't be confusing02:54
wersdaluvshould alien be ran as root?02:54
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Jucato!alien | wersdaluv02:54
ubotuwersdaluv: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)02:54
enjoi1216on the first line it says02:54
Jucatobut yeah, I think it needs to be run withsudo02:54
wersdaluvok.. thanks02:54
jpatrickor fakeroot02:55
LjLenjoi1216, i strongly believe you should NOT do this. that said, type  mount  and pastebin the output.02:55
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enjoi1216it said on the first line that it said rw errors and was = to remount02:56
LjLenjoi1216: what?02:56
LjLplease, just *pastebin* what it's saying *exactly*02:57
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enjoi1216ok now what syntax should i klik on teh downlist arrow02:58
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LjLenjoi1216: it doesn't matter02:59
jpatrickenjoi1216: doesn't matter02:59
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LjLenjoi1216: what matters if that you give me the resulting URL03:00
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enjoi1216ok ljl i'm going to copy this to you line by line03:01
enjoi1216enjoi1216@enjoi1216:~$ mount03:02
jpatrickenjoi1216: use the pastebin03:02
enjoi1216proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)03:03
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enjoi1216varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755)03:03
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enjoi1216varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777)03:04
enjoi1216procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)03:04
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enjoi1216udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)03:04
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LjLrunlevelten: *shrug*03:05
enjoi1216devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)03:05
enjoi1216devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)03:05
LjLjust how many darn virtual filesystem do you have03:05
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enjoi1216lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw)03:05
LjLjpatrick, leave him please, or we'll never get around to making him not destroy his partition03:06
enjoi1216binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw)03:06
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ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)03:06
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LjLenjoi1216... you also have /03:06
enjoi1216and that is everything lJl03:06
LjLyou have omitted that03:06
LjLno, it is not03:06
enjoi1216thats all that it posted03:07
enjoi1216why would i sit up here and lie to you03:07
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enjoi1216thats all that was on that file03:07
LjLenjoi1216: i don't know, but i know you have a root partition03:07
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LjLit's not a file03:07
enjoi1216so is it safe of unsafe to do this03:07
volcanoya Til un FR?03:08
LjLenjoi1216: unsafe.03:08
LjL!fr | volcano03:08
ubotuvolcano: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.03:08
waylandbillit should be listed first before the proc even.03:08
enjoi1216i know that but i'm saying based on the information i gave you03:08
waylandbillvery unsafe.03:08
LjLenjoi1216: you did not give me any information, since all i wanted was the single line that is not in the output03:08
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LjLenjoi1216: type  df | grep /$  and give me the output03:09
waylandbillenjoi1216: mount | grep ext303:09
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enjoi1216anyway thta error i gave you is a line and here is the rest of it03:14
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enjoi1216 55296988   2610444  49877584   5% /03:14
runleveltenenjoi1216: Are you going to use pastebin this time like a normal person?03:15
LjLenjoi1216: troll.03:15
enjoi1216i do not know03:15
LjLyou have, of course, skipped the first column of the output of that.03:15
waylandbillLjL: yes. I figured that.03:15
LjLfool me once03:15
LjLshame on you03:15
LjLfool me twice03:15
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LjLshame on me03:15
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waylandbillLjL: he probably feels proud now. ;-)03:19
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LjLwaylandbill: he should, he's made me realize that my filesystem is full of errors03:21
LjLi wouldn't have run fsck if it weren't for him03:21
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LjL(was intending to use it to show him that his drive is not fragmented)03:21
LjL(and was later intending to make him run defrag in read-only mode)03:22
LjLbut then again, he doesn't really want to defragment anything03:22
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runleveltentbh I'd just give them something that'll make their disk tick for a bit if they insist on "defragging" an ext3 fs03:22
runleveltenfind ~ > /dev/null & for i in `seq 1 100`; do clear && echo "Defrag. You will have negligible disk fragmentation on your ext3 file system when this script completes" && echo "Working: $i % Done" && sleep 1; done03:22
LjLrunlevelten: well, defrag *does* have that effect in any case03:23
JimmyDeetick tick rick03:23
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ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de03:23
runlevelten^ Save that to "defrag.sh" heh :)03:23
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LjLrunlevelten: more blinkenlighten little jedi, more blinkenlighten. a percentage figure is not enough.03:24
runleveltenI did think turning #'s into [ ] 's might help :)03:24
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BluesKajHowdy all :)03:25
JimmyDeeincreaser blinkenlightzen factor to 10003:25
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runleveltenHello BluesKaj03:26
BluesKajhi runlevelten03:26
emilsedghwelcome back BluesKaj03:27
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BluesKajthx emilsedgh03:28
waylandbillhiya BluesKaj03:28
BluesKajhey waylandbill03:28
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DevideZerowhen kubuntu gusty (7.1) stable will be released for 32bit ?03:29
runleveltenthanks BluesKaj03:29
JimmyDeewill it ever be stable?03:29
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BluesKajOct 1803:30
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DevideZeroJimmyDee , i dont think so . . .03:30
runleveltenOoh, speaking of release dates, I may go and play etqw demo. :) later all03:30
BluesKajemilsedgh, I'm a retired old guy who still plays drums in a band on weekends , hence : Blues and my swedish given name is Kaj , but I live in Canada  :)03:32
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poison--mornin guys03:32
BluesKajhi poison--03:33
poison--sup Blue03:33
DevideZeroBluesKaj , the default kubuntu 7.10 desktop willbe kde 4 ?03:33
BluesKajnot much poison--03:33
BluesKajDevideZero,no kde 3.5.703:34
emilsedghBluesKaj: its nice to know all you guys, really :)03:34
BluesKajthis is a cool room ,emilsedgh03:34
emilsedghBluesKaj: and, friendly (oh, Jucato will kick us out of here, we are in offtopic :D)03:35
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BluesKajDevideZero, the KDE development is mostly independent of any kubuntu releases due to it's use on other LInux OS's as well03:36
BluesKajyeah, the offtopic cops are always around03:36
JimmyDeeas nwa said ...03:37
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JimmyDeeawwww my music laptop just took a dump, kubuntu people please help me03:39
emilsedghjimmacdonald: whats the problem?03:39
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kahamriWhere does an external hard drive mount? I thought it used to just show up on the desktop, but it does not.03:42
kahamriIs it supposed to go to /mnt?03:42
Lunar_LampIt will be in /media03:43
Lunar_Lamp(I've never had anything automatically mount in /mnt when using ubuntu)03:43
kahamrihmm, well then i dont believe it's mounting03:43
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kahamriwhen i plug it in, it comes up "view these files" when i do that, no window opens03:44
kahamrionly thing in /media is cdrom cdrom0 floppy and floppy003:44
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BluesKajkahamri, usb outboard drive?03:48
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DevideZeroi have found 2 bug ( 1 in kde , second in kopete ) what i need todo ?03:49
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BluesKajMounting an External USB Drive in Linux: http://www.netshiftmedia.com/netshift/archives/2006/09/15/mounting-external-usb-drive-linux.php03:50
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kahamrithanks guys03:51
kahamriyeah it's a usb outboard drive03:51
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BluesKajhi karol03:52
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poison--damn, my 36 ports hub just died03:57
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fulat2khi folks, is this the proper channel to report kubuntu gutsy beta problems?  or does it go to #ubuntu+1?04:26
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ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+104:26
fulat2kgot it.  thx04:26
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lupin__sto diventando matto con k3b04:31
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Jucato!it | lupin__04:31
ubotulupin__: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!04:31
ubotuThe #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat04:31
lupin__sorry! tought i was in kubuntu-it!04:32
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lupin__someone could help me with k3b?04:33
CharlieKaneI'll try04:33
lupin__it's very slow04:34
CharlieKaneslow burning ?04:34
lupin__i've a samsung dvd-burber04:34
CharlieKaneon cd's or dvd's ?04:34
lupin__the best is 4x04:34
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lupin__the burner buffer goes full and empty04:35
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lupin__on xp works perfectly04:36
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CharlieKanehmm sorry I dunno...04:36
lupin__i've tried ide-scsi, but no luck04:37
CharlieKaneusing kubuntu ?04:37
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CharlieKanelupin__: this might help: http://k3b.plainblack.com/message-board/slow-burns-and-a-fix#4dbXOcDso7rwXOdkOGXEzw04:39
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Dr_williside-scsi is like way outdated now a days I thought.04:44
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CharlieKaneyes I would think so04:45
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lupin__disabled kded. trying to burn04:46
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ubunturos!hi | florin04:48
ubotuflorin: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!04:48
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ubunturoshey dhq_,04:49
dhq_ubunturos, hey04:49
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lupin__no, it's the same04:49
BluesKajlupin__, what are you trying to burn ?04:50
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lupin__an iso04:51
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lupin__very small04:51
lupin__50 mb04:51
lupin__g4l (ghost for linux)04:51
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dhq_how do i block range of ports with iptables04:53
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BluesKajok lupin__ , will the burner work ok on other apps ...if you have a cdrw , you can try that without wasting cdrs04:54
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BluesKaj!iptables | dhq_04:56
ubotudhq_: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).04:56
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RytmenPinnenthis may seem like a lame question but where can I acces the trash can04:56
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JucatoRytmenPinnen: isn't it on your panel by default? at the far right of the screen?04:57
BluesKajRytmenPinnen, right click on the app you want to delete..the dialog box will have a "move to trash" option04:57
amigohi ppl! how to configure apt to using wget to downloading packages?04:58
alejandroi need a simply dhcp server that04:58
RytmenPinnenIt was once but I think i've removed it by mistake somehow, sometime, I normally dont use it but I figured I have tons of tons of stuff in there04:58
alejandrolisten on eth0:104:58
alejandroand aply an ip04:58
llutzalejandro: dnsmasq04:58
JucatoRytmenPinnen: you can either type in Konqueror "trash:/"04:58
RytmenPinnenI just learned that you can do trash --empty to empty it04:58
JucatoRytmenPinnen: or put it back on your panel: right-click on the panel -> Add Applet to Panel -> Trash04:59
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RytmenPinnenWell, I already deleting the stuff in it, I had 4 gigs in there :S ....... aah, yes that's what I wanted, thanks04:59
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RytmenPinnenaaah, now I understand why I couldn't do that earlier(I tried what you said) but it seems that I've locked the panels so I coudn't edit it /me is blind05:01
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arsenio__lupinsorry, my connection was down05:03
nonewmsgshows it going boies and ghouls?05:03
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ArtimusUnder the Screensavers section in kcontrol, I don't have any screensavers listed.  They are still installed, "Euphora" is still running after a few minutes on my computer.  They're just not listed.05:08
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volcanosvp puis je avoir le lien pr lirc FR05:11
BluesKajArtimus, you should be able to change the settings by choosing desktop, then slideshow/setup/fileyou-want-to-use05:11
volcanocest sa?05:11
NickPresta!fr | volcano05:11
ubotuvolcano: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.05:11
BluesKajcest ca05:12
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ArtimusBluesKaj: The list is blank05:12
BluesKajArtimus, do you have an image folder of pics you want to use in the screensaver?05:13
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Artimus...  no05:19
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Artimuskcontrol says I don't have any screensavers05:19
ArtimusAs in, the ones that should come with the kubuntu-desktop deb are missing05:19
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DexterFtried printing from gimp, failed. tried printing a text file with lpr - failed: no standard target available.05:33
DexterFwhat's tihs?05:33
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DexterFI'm in a hurry and need to rpint something, all other apps print fine.05:33
earl_hello guys. I'm running the kubuntu 7.10 beta. just wanted to report that the restricted driver installer is pretty cool,05:33
earl_made my ATI card work in a hurry05:33
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earl_but it had no such success with my wireless chip.05:34
earl_which remains ineffectual.05:34
emilsedgh!hi | DexterF05:34
ubotuDexterF: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!05:34
emilsedghearl_: so please report the bug :)05:34
earl_i dunno if it has anything to do with me having dist-upgraded, as opposed to a clean install, but my dell 1390 wireless card still doesn't work05:34
earl_how do i go about doing that05:34
wightstrakerearl_: Think it will make my iMac actually display 1440x900?05:34
earl_probably... mine's running 1280x800 right now without problems.05:35
earl_not a imac though.05:35
wightstrakerIt thinks my graphics card is from outer space05:35
earl_no the graphics card works beautifully05:35
earl_which is weird 'cause it hought the ATI xpress series wasnt supported by linux05:35
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wightstrakerWhere there's a will there's a way05:36
Dr_willisHmm.. is there a 'network switch' or hub that can run off of usb power? That would be handy for work....05:36
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Ashfire908how do you show the main window in amarok05:37
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earl_what's a good number for glxgears to report?05:38
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drcoxhi ther05:39
shadowspiderCan anyone help a beginner, whom is about to install Ubuntu on a partition on his Packard Bell machine running Linux????05:39
drcoxdoes anyone  know how to print with an epson CX5400  ?05:39
drcoxwhich cups driver do I have to use ?05:39
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tsdgeosdrcox: www.linuxprinting.org05:41
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earl_i'm trying to mount an external hard drive in dolphin and it gives me the following error: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 100005:44
earl_how do i fix that05:44
shadowspiderAnyone with the partition help or can you point me in right direction???05:44
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pag!gparted | shadowspider05:47
poison--wicked bot05:47
ubotuGParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php05:48
ubotushadowspider: please see above05:48
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shadowspiderCan I run it on linux before I install a dual boopt of Ubuntu? Are my Vista + files and folders safe?05:48
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shadowspiderThanks: Pag, ubotu, speaker219 and poison05:49
pagnp :)05:49
Jucatoit's always a good idea to backup your important files and folders05:49
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shadowspiderGreat. And (sorry for all these questions) but what should I be aware of before installing, partitioning and using Dual boot. Ps, how long would my first linux ful backup take?05:50
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Ashfire908i put amarok into that small mode how do i get the main window back05:50
earl_i'm trying to mount an external hard drive in dolphin and it gives me the following error: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000, how do i mount it05:51
JucatoAshfire908: right-click on the Player window or press Win+P05:51
ksivajiJucato i need your help05:51
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dhqstrigideamon what is this05:52
Jucatodhq: strigi is a desktop search app. like beagle for GNOME05:52
Jucatoksivaji: what is it?05:52
ksivajiJucato i wnat to browse my bro system file(xp ) from ubutnu connected via switch05:52
Jucatonetworking stuff... I don't know those. sorry05:52
dhqJucato, well it is taking like 94 % of my system memory just upgraded to gusty and it is sucking processor05:53
BluesKajJucato, i preferred the old "locate" command05:53
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coreymon77ksivaji: is that file ntfs?05:53
Jucatodhq: yeah it's a bit buggy right now. but hey, it's beta...05:53
ksivajicoreymon77 yes05:53
JucatoBluesKaj: preferences preferences preferences :)05:53
Jucatolocate is still there btw05:53
coreymon77ksivaji: well then thats gonna be slightly difficult05:53
Jucatobut strigi's designed to be more powerful and flexible... but for KDE 4...05:54
ksivajicoreymon77 tell me what to do let me try05:54
dhqJucato, could it be like it is taking that much processor cauz its searching through the files05:54
ksivajicoreymon77  i have ssh but i cant login into his system05:55
Jucatodhq: it shouldn't. but that's the bug...05:55
coreymon77ksivaji: sorry, dont know05:55
dhqJucato, should i kill it or let it continue05:55
Jucatoyou can kill it05:56
JucatoI murder it at least once a day :)05:56
Jucatoor more if I'm feeling happy05:56
JimmyDeekill kill kill05:56
dhqJucato, haha :)05:56
dhqJucato, i will kill him now :P05:56
earl_does anyone have a clue why my ex. hard drive isn't mounting?05:56
Jucatodhq: kill him next time you reboot too05:56
JimmyDeeknow why my ex wife isnt....05:57
dhqJucato, :)05:57
ksivajiearl_  try to mount from terminal05:58
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waylandbillwoo hoo. got my iptables set up to nat, but filter all packets from myspace. :)05:59
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earl_first of all i dont know how to do that, but i've fixed the problem, it was set to mount as user and i unchecked that option in dolphin and now it works06:00
BluesKajearl_, does the drive show up in storage media ?06:00
dhqthe tapping on mu mouse pad doesntwork06:00
earl_yeah it does, it just wasn't mounted.06:01
earl_i unchecked mount as user and it works fine now06:01
earl_as an aside, my windows partition of my internal HD worked fine. i only had problems with the external06:01
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dhqJucato, do you use a laptop06:02
BluesKajyeah, external HDDs can be finicky06:02
Jucatodhq: I have one yes06:02
Jucatobut currently in the process of upgrading to gutsy as we speak06:02
Daisuke-Laptopgood morning06:02
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dhqJucato, well which one is it06:03
Jucatoohayo Daisuke06:03
BluesKajJucato, network upgrade ?06:03
Jucatodhq: what do you mean which one?06:03
dhqJucato, model06:03
JucatoBluesKaj: regular upgrade through adept06:03
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Jucatodhq: Twinhead EFIO!121i06:04
dhqwell ok06:04
dhqJucato, i was having some problem do you use synaptics drivers06:04
BluesKajJucato, I assume you edited the sources.list first ?06:04
Jucatodhq: hm.. not that I'm aware of... just worked out of the box06:05
JucatoBluesKaj: manually? nope. adept manager06:05
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dhqJucato, well i am screwed as my tapping doesnt work06:05
Jucatoon gutys?06:05
Jucatowell, we'll see tomorrow...06:06
wightstrakerAre there any good media server clients for Kubuntu?06:06
wightstrakerI'd like a movie box for my living room06:06
wightstrakerAnd Kubuntu would be preferred06:06
dhqJucato, well its there when i was using fiesty also06:06
Jucatodhq: oh... never had a problem in feisty06:06
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dhqJucato, well have to read more on synaptics :)06:07
dhqJucato, where did you get the repos for gusty06:07
Jucatodhq: for the laptop, I just followed the upgrade guide. basically everything's automated by adept manager and the upgrade tool06:08
dhqJucato, ok06:08
Jucatowightstraker: take a look into mythbuntu and ubuntustudio06:08
ubotuMythbuntu is an Ubuntu derivative centered upon setting up a standalone MythTV system. See: http://www.mythbuntu.org for more information06:08
ubotuUbuntuStudio is a site for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best parts of Audio/Graphical/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories, and extra! Available at http://ubuntustudio.org Or visit #ubuntustudio06:08
wightstrakerFantastic, thanks06:09
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Jucatowightstraker: there's another one that I'm sure is KDE-based. LinuxMCE. but not sure if we have a repo for that06:09
dhqJucato, but i must say the guys at kubuntu really do a gr8 job as there are not much bugs like when i had upgraded from drapper to edgy06:09
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Jucatoit's getting better and better. it's not perfect yet, but it's getting there :)06:10
wightstrakerJucato: I'll poke around, I definitely would prefer KDE06:10
rickeyman  have i ever made a mess of my desk top06:10
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rickeyis there a command that will set it back to defult?06:11
JimmyDeeoops this aint offtopic06:11
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Jucatorickey: what's the problem? might just need a couple of files to rename/move/delete06:12
rickeyi am running kubuntu 7.0406:12
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rickeyno i was messing around in setting06:13
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dhqrickey, but wats the problem06:13
Jucatorickey: yes. and settings are all saved in single files (per app)06:13
Jucatoso the solution might be to just delete/move/rename those affected files06:13
DaSkreechdhq: Don't forget that you guys at Kubuntu includes you as well :)06:13
Willabeecan anyone help me with activating USB speakers?06:13
rickeywindow to big06:13
dhqDaSkreech, :) thanks i feel big06:14
Jucatorickey: how is it too big? maximized? or the resolution?06:14
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rickeyooooooooooo waite it6 is over sized06:14
dhqJucato, huh06:14
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dirtbag666hi there06:15
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dhqJucato, y06:15
JimmyDeeyoure so big06:15
dhqJucato, :P06:15
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dirtbag666Problem with 7.04 feisty: I'm running on KDE/Beryl/Emerald and if I start my girlfriend's account as a new session, it crashes after a while trying to restart06:16
dhqhey if i wanted to work for kubuntu where would i apply06:16
Jucatorickey: all windows? can't you click on the restore button (beside the minimize button)?06:16
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Jucatodhq: you mean paid work?06:16
dhqJucato, well for a living06:16
DaSkreechdhq: paid work?06:16
Jucatoum.. well Canonical... but..06:16
dhqDaSkreech, well i guess so06:17
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rickeylet me explane this better06:17
Jucatothere's only one developer hired by Canonical that works on Kubuntu06:17
Jucatorickey: yes please06:17
dhqJucato, ok06:17
Jucatoso we can try to help better06:17
DaSkreechregardless You'd start off in #kubuntu-devel unless you have overtly obvious mad skills and FOSS sensitivity06:17
rickeyi dint like the way the defult setting looked06:17
rickey so i messed with  them06:18
DaSkreechAnd even then we'd want you to start there otherwise you'd just get thrown into Ubuntu06:18
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DaSkreechJucato: I thought there was two06:18
rickeycan no matter what i do i cant get them back rigth06:18
DaSkreechand one contractor06:18
dhqrickey, nothing is messed till you cant get in the gui am i not riye Jucato06:18
JucatoDaSkreech: who would be the other one?06:19
dhqerr rite06:19
DaSkreechAhhh Tm_T was it?06:19
JucatoDaSkreech: nope. only Riddel06:19
rickeyis there not a command that will put it all back rigth or defult06:19
DaSkreechJucato: Oh! You know what it was06:20
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DaSkreechHe was hired to work on Kubuntu but not by Canonical so yeah you are right06:20
Jucatoyeah I know who that is. but I did say "by Canonical" :)06:20
Jucatorickey: so you only messed with the windows?06:20
Jucatothat and only that?06:20
DaSkreechJucato: Who was it?06:21
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JucatoDaSkreech: Tonio06:21
DaSkreechRight knew it started with T :)06:21
DaSkreech Yeah brain fart06:21
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rickeyyes i went into setting and messed with look and felll06:21
Jucatorickey: ok06:22
Jucatokinda hard to guess... :(06:22
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Jucatoto guess what was affected...06:22
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rickeyi could reinstall06:23
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rickey but that sucks06:24
Jucatonah don't06:24
Jucatorickey: you could try this. I can't guarantee it will work because I'm only working based on the details you gave06:24
Jucatocan you still run other apps?06:24
Jucatolike Konsole?06:24
rickeysence i am on dail up , it realy suck06:24
rickey like it takes two day to up daye06:25
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Jucatoyou don't need to reinstall06:25
Jucatocan you still run other apps?06:25
Jucatorun Konsole now06:25
Jucatoor better yet, Konqueror06:25
ardchoilleI thought you had to install either compiz or beryl to get translucency in windows and menus for kde.06:25
rickey wen i can get to the bottom of the page06:25
ardchoilleI was wrong.06:25
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Jucatoardchoille: there's kompmgr for KDE06:26
Jucatobeen there for ages...06:26
Jucato(and beta for ages....)06:26
ubotuPrinting in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows06:26
Jucatorickey: are you in Konsole or Konqueror now?06:26
ardchoilleJucato: Yes, I discovered that.06:26
Jucatorickey: bottom of what page?06:26
ardchoilleJucato: http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/274/trnslcntrk0.jpg06:27
rickeyyea pages are way to big06:27
rickeyi am not in konsole06:27
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JucatoDaSkreech, or anyone who can, please help rickey.....06:28
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Jucatoso my brain isn't working06:28
rickeyjucato i went into look and fell in setting and messed with suff06:28
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Jucatodo you remember what stuff?06:29
rickeyalmost everything by now06:29
Jucatorickey: I'm having trouble understanding what is messed up right now.06:29
Jucatobasically because I can't obviously see your desktop06:29
Jucatoand the only description you could give me is "it's messed up" or "too big".... so...06:30
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rickeyok most pages i can use  the top , but i cant get to the bottom06:30
rickeywell thanks anyway guy06:31
rickey i dont apperseat it06:32
rickeyi mean i do06:32
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stamenwhen will be the official release of gutsy gibon06:38
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llutzoct 1806:39
stamensoon :)06:39
stamendoes anybody use the beta release06:39
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stamenwhich is on the web site06:40
davitytengo un "ligero" problema06:40
stamendavity: engl. ?06:40
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uga!es | davity06:41
ubotudavity: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.06:41
ugaargh. Too late06:41
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stamenwho knows how to check network configuration in slackware, but in console ?06:45
stamenI know that here are kubuntu users, but just asking06:45
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=== abominius saluti
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BluesKaj!it | abominius06:52
ubotuabominius: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!06:52
abominius!ok | BluesKaj06:52
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ok - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:52
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earl_hey again fellas. so i typed iwlist scan into a terminal06:55
earl_and got a bunch of information on the networks around me06:55
earl_but knetworkmanager doesn't show anything, at all.06:55
earl_so i can't really uh, use any of these networks.06:55
earl_what gives?06:55
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earl_is knetwork manager just really really buggy?06:59
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AV1611greeting to all!07:02
BluesKajearl_, does knetwork manager show in the panel ?07:02
AV1611kubuntu, the last beta...07:02
BluesKajhi AV161107:02
AV1611apt-get install vim-full07:02
AV1611gives the following output07:02
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AV1611The following packages have unmet dependencies:07:03
AV1611vim-full: Depends: libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.15.1) but it is not going to be installed07:03
AV1611and on, and on....07:03
earl_yeah it is in the panel07:03
BluesKajAV1611, post it on pastebin07:03
poison--install libbonoboui2-007:03
AV1611what is pastebin (excuse me)?07:04
earl_blueskaj: if i click on it, it comes up with a window labeled "Device" that says no device active,07:04
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)07:04
earl_blueskaj: if i right click on it, the top option is "Manual configuration..." i know that's not how its supposed to look.07:04
mickenI just did install 7.10 on my mac mini , but I have no sound , everything seems to be there but it doesn't work07:04
mickenalsamixer works07:05
BluesKajearl_, are you looking for a wireless or wired conection ?07:05
poison--did u check if there isnt nutin muted?07:05
mickennutin ?07:05
poison--earl_, whats the nic brand and model?07:05
earl_i'm connected by a wired connection right now, but knetworkmanager doesn't even mention that. but yes, the end goal is wireless07:05
AV1611here it is - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39036/07:05
poison--nutin = nothing07:05
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earl_wireless: Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI07:06
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poison--tried ndiswrapper?07:06
earl_wired: Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX07:06
mickenseems ok07:06
earl_iwlist scan shows all the local wireless networks. my driver is working.07:06
earl_and i'm obviously online right now, using my wired connection.07:07
earl_that driver is working.07:07
poison--can u connect with wireless?07:07
earl_i don't know how. knetworkmanager doesn't give me an option to07:07
earl_although i guess theoretically i could, since it's reporting accurate informatino about these networks07:07
BluesKajearl , one never knows how ppl are online ..it's not as obvious as you think07:07
BluesKaj!wireless | earl_07:08
ubotuearl_: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs07:08
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ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs07:09
mickenthe kernelmodules is there , muting is ok , but no sound  ..07:09
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poison--earl_, try the manual configuration07:10
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earl_not an option. i cannot be bothered to be typing in ip addresses and default gateways and ssid's and such every time i move from place to place.07:11
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earl_i need it to work automatically, and i dont think that's too much to ask considering my computer has all the information it needs.07:11
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BluesKajmicken, have you configured kmix as well07:11
mickenBluesKay: yes07:12
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poison--earl_, u can always install other network manager07:12
sfireI get this when trying to play enemy territory "/dev/dsp: Device or resource busy -- Could not open /dev/dsp"  anyone know of a fix?07:12
earl_for example?07:12
BluesKajmicken, make sure the kmix switches and inputs are setup, they can be a bit tricky07:13
turborobbanhi sorry if i jump in here but is there any chance that i can get my wirless mx5000 logitech to work on kubuntu 64bit to work? thx for any replay07:13
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volcanole FR svp07:14
jhutchins!wireless | turborobban07:14
ubotuturborobban: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs07:14
BluesKajsfire, will your dvdp play any dvds at all ? if not ,install libdvdcss207:14
jhutchinsturborobban: ^ everything we know.07:14
mickenBluesKay: it's all setup07:14
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sfireBluesKaj: its a game07:14
BluesKajsame goes for games , sfire07:15
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sfireoh ok07:15
HanzZhm.. In latest Feisty update nvidia driver doesn't work... has somebody same problem as me?07:15
poison--earl_: kwlan07:15
sfireBluesKaj: already installed07:15
earl_i'll give that a shot.07:16
BluesKaj!nvidia | HanzZ07:16
ubotuHanzZ: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto07:16
poison--earl_ : http://wifi-radar.systemimager.org/07:16
DaSkreechearl_: Kinda07:16
BluesKajsfire, libxine-extracodecs, ffmpeg07:18
HanzZi have drivers installed and in old kernel they works, but after kernel upgrade not07:18
poison--hanzz, try envy07:18
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DaSkreechearl_: Is the wireless on in the knetworkmanager?07:19
BluesKajHanzZ, check for new drivers07:19
HanzZBluesKaj: yes.. i'm installing them now07:19
sfireBluesKaj: I didn't have ffmpeg.. installed that and still no go :(07:19
earl_it should've been. although i think installing kwlan might've gotten rid of knetworkmanager, so i dunno. let me try that.07:20
earl_the only available option is "disable wireless"07:22
earl_so i'd say it's enabled07:22
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earl_is kwifimanager any good?07:24
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ugaearl_: last time I used it in my kubuntu lappie, the GUI was so very badly designed, but worked just fine07:25
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ugawhoever designed it isn't best at graphics nor usability guidelines ;))07:26
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earl_yeah it doesn't seem to be working very well for me07:26
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HanzZhm.. i don't know :)07:27
HanzZFATAL: Error running install command for nvidia07:28
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HanzZbut linux-restricted-modules-generic is installed and nvidia-glx-new also..07:28
HanzZkernel 2.6.20-16-generic07:28
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poison--<sfire, sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg07:28
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HanzZand in /lib/linux-restricted-modules/$KERNEL/ i have directories nvidia, nvidia_legacy,nvidia_new ... so modules are there :)07:30
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poison--<HanzZ, did u try Envy?07:35
ubotuenvy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!07:35
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klobsterno envy. envy bad...07:36
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BluesKajHanzZ, good :)07:36
bjacobhey, about to upgrade from feisty to gutsy.... is this reasonably safe or are there big known issues?07:36
bjacobi mean, upgrade not fresh-install07:36
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dannionigutsy is pretty stable, running beta now, but I don't know about the upgrade part07:37
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BluesKajbjacob, not sure , i'll let you know in a couple of hrs...using adept to upgrade to gutsy as we speak07:37
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BluesKajdannioni, upgraded to gutsy ?07:38
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DaSkreechbjacob: Bit broken right now07:40
sfirepoison--: already installed07:41
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sfireI think it may have something to do with a program locking the /dev/dsp file07:41
sfirehow would I check what is using it?07:41
dannioniBluesKaj: No fresh install07:41
poison--really dunno sfire07:41
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sfirethe one guy online I found said he got it to work by disabling ESD ? what is that?07:42
BluesKajhow is it running dannioni ?07:42
dannionijust fine, I had some hardware problems, had to use ndiswrapper and modify alsa a bit but otherwise, hadn't had any crashes yet :)07:43
SolifugusHow can I make konqueror show all folders in info list view, instead of that stupid, useless, default icon view??07:43
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BluesKajsfire, try this in the konsole if you have a locked install ; sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock07:44
BluesKajcool dannioni , not worried about wireless07:45
dannioniBluesKaj: Great for you :P, since none of the problems were in kubuntu itself I'd say it's rather stable07:46
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BluesKajdannioni, glad to hear that :)07:47
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bjacobDaSkreech: ok thanks. i made up my mind in favor of a fresh install :)07:47
DaSkreechbjacob: If you are like me that's a good thing every 5 or so upgrades07:48
DaSkreechIt's getting so that I can crash Vista pretty reliably now07:48
JimmyDeethats a plus07:49
BluesKaji have a wireless capability (speedstream router), but I'm happy with wired setup since we're not using laptops on our little network