[12:41] <fkm> kk
[12:42] <thomas__> fkm: um i just finished a webpage though
[12:42] <thomas__> fkm: a really easy one though
[12:43] <webulator70> ardchoille you there or afk?
[12:43] <thomas__> fkm: i know basic html and can write it, but this xhtml validation crap is messing me up thats why i have problems...otherwise i would be able to put up a page
[12:43] <fkm> thomas__, If it's done, leave it as is and after you've learned strict, you can still then rewrite the one you've just done
[12:44] <fkm> Well, XHTML isn't as hard
[12:44] <thomas__> oh you mean its really different
 instead of <img>, and so on
[12:44] <thomas__> i c
[12:44] <fkm> But strict and transitorial make the real difference
[12:44] <webulator70> is anyone else for that matter able to help me with nvidia stuff?
[12:44] <thomas__> fkm: ahh good to know didn't know
[12:45] <fkm> no <font>, no <ul start="6">, no <b> and <i>
[12:45] <niyado> hello
[12:45] <fkm> hi niyado
[12:45] <thomas__> fkm: yes theres i isn't there
[12:45] <niyado> al fin tengo instalado el compiz fusion
[12:45] <niyado> pero tengo una pregunta
[12:45] <thomas__> fkm: o well i have <i> tags
[12:45] <NickPresta> !br | niyado
[12:45] <ubotu> niyado: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[12:45] <fkm> niyado, English please. And I guess you search for #compiz-fusion
[12:45] <niyado> no soy brazile~o
[12:45] <niyado> soy Puerto Rico
[12:45] <NickPresta> !pr | niyado
[12:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pr - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:46] <niyado> ok sorry
[12:46] <fkm> thomas__, let's use the offtopic channel
[12:46] <niyado> so i go to compiz-fusion
[12:46] <niyado> bye bye
[12:46] <NickPresta> !es | niyado
[12:46] <ubotu> niyado: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:46] <niyado> muchas gracias bye bye
[12:50] <monte48lowes> hello. has anyone had troubles upgrading to gutsy?
[12:50] <wvalters> yes
[12:51] <wvalters> tried today , but repositories were sort of unresponsive
[12:51] <intelikey> /join #ubuntu+1
[12:51] <monte48lowes> ok
[12:51] <wvalters> same for you?
[12:51] <monte48lowes> the download is rather large, almost 2GB
[12:51] <wvalters> yeah, but I could not even get the headers to come across
[12:51] <wvalters> probably busy as all hell too
[12:52] <monte48lowes> adept did not automatically start the upgrade process
[12:52] <monte48lowes> I will wait a couple of days and try again
[12:52] <wvalters> im thinking ovenight on sunday or something as well
[12:52] <monte48lowes> yes, sometime when I don't have to sit here and watch the scrolling bar go by
[12:52] <wvalters> hehe
[12:56] <carlos> hi
[12:56] <intelikey> at this rate about another two hours...
[12:56] <jarkko> Hello, there seems to something fishy going on. When upgrading from feisty to gutsy I had to reinstall programs to get them working. One example is openoffice calc was segfaulting, but oowriter was ok.. very funny.
[12:56] <carlos> i wanna configurate extra monitor
[12:56] <carlos> i have intel video card
[12:56] <carlos> somebody help me?
[12:56] <intelikey> !dualhead
[12:56] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[12:57] <jarkko> oocalc: Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-open.c: 260: dl_open_worker: Assertion `_dl_ debug_initialize (0, args->nsid)->r_state == RT_CONSISTENT' failed!
[12:57] <intelikey> !gutsy
[12:57] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[12:57] <jarkko> after sudo apt-get install --reinstall openoffice.org-calc it worked ok.. funny
[12:58] <intelikey> funny ?
[12:58] <carlos> but, i use xorg?
[12:58] <carlos> can i configurate as a X11?
[12:59] <intelikey> carlos the configs for X11 and xorg are enterchangable
[12:59] <carlos> can i configurate it as X11
[12:59] <carlos> ok, thakn you
[12:59] <Minataku> I much prefer "Gassy Giraffe"
[12:59] <Minataku> Or perhaps "Grabby Gorilla"
[12:59] <intelikey> your config is  /etc/X11/xorg.conf  carlos
[01:00] <intelikey> grumpy goose
[01:01] <intelikey> giddy gopher
[01:01] <intelikey> mousey Minataku   :)
[01:04] <Minataku> lol
[01:04] <Minataku> Though I'd consider myself more of a cat than a mouse
[01:04] <Minataku> X3
[01:06] <Minnozz> My network keeps failing, and I have no idea what to do against it. The error message is syslog is 'IRQ 17: nobody cared'
[01:08] <Minataku> That's not good
[01:08] <mez_> Hi, just upgraded to gutsy. My cd is constantly being probed. I see evms_activate is being run all the time by udev. dmesg shows: "device-mapdevice-mapper: table: 254:1: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed".  Anything I should look at?per: ioctl: error adding target to table" and "
[01:09] <Minnozz> What does 'IRQ xx: nobody cared' actually mean?
[01:10] <tim>  I was having problems with warcardt 3 running slow ON wine and sombody gave me a registry fix for that i did it and it worked nice...........but i fogot it and can't fidn it any more
[01:11] <mez_> Ok, got it...
[01:11] <Minataku> Minnozz: The kernel experienced a serious error regarding that interrupt
[01:14] <Minnozz> Minataku: Does this mean anything to you? It's the whole error message http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=rawpaste&p=1034
[01:15] <Minataku> Minnozz: Yeah, something is up with that card
[01:15] <Minataku> Follow the suggestion, boot with the irqpoll option
[01:15] <Minnozz> How can I do that?
[01:15] <Minataku> Why it's causing your networking to fail is probably because this ATA card is on the same interrupt as 17
[01:16] <Minataku> Which may actually be the issue, they may not like IRQ sharing
[01:16] <Minnozz> I don't know much of those things, is it possible to change on which IRQ they are?
[01:17] <Minataku> Yeah, one of those drivers, quite possibly the sky2 driver, doesn't want to share
[01:17] <intelikey> Minnozz only you bios can answer that
[01:17] <intelikey> your
[01:18] <Minnozz> intelikey: I've seen a whole list of IRQ's in my bios, they are all set to 'assing to pci' iirc
[01:18] <Minataku> I'm intrigued now... I don't quite know what the message means exactly
[01:18] <intelikey> Minnozz try adjusting the irq 17 and see if it helps
[01:19] <Minnozz> intelikey: I think I can only disable them, will that do anything good?
[01:19] <intelikey> try it and see.
[01:19] <Minataku> Ah, I see it
[01:20] <Minataku> It's in /usr/src/linux/kernel/irq/spurious.c
[01:20] <Minataku> It's when there's a spurious interrupt
[01:20] <Minataku> What happens is that something asserts an interrupt line, then nothing on that line answers it
[01:21] <Minataku> The kernel looks, and when all the devices say "No, it wasn't me", the kernel disabled the IRQ as bad
[01:21] <Minataku> *disables
[01:21] <intelikey> correct    irq 17 called.  but "nobody cares"   i.e. unanswered
[01:21] <Minnozz> aaah that makes sense
[01:21] <Minataku> Ah, here it is
[01:21] <Minataku> If there's an immense number of failures
[01:22] <tim> How do i force the game to RUn in OPENgl in wine?
[01:22] <Minataku> The IRQ is disabled, since it's assumed that something is screwed up with it
[01:22] <Minataku>  * If 99,900 of the previous 100,000 interrupts have not been handled
[01:22] <Minataku>  * then assume that the IRQ is stuck in some manner. Drop a diagnostic
[01:22] <Minataku>  * and try to turn the IRQ off.
[01:22] <Minataku>  * (The other 100-of-100,000 interrupts may have been a correctly
[01:22] <Minataku>  *  functioning device sharing an IRQ with the failing one)
[01:23] <intelikey> Minnozz i would still advise adjusting it in bios.   and testing.
[01:23] <Minataku> Likely, the ATA card on 17 is conflicting with the network card on 17
[01:23] <Minataku> One of them, I believe, is hogging the IRQ
[01:24] <tim> How do i force the game to RUn in OPENgl in wine?
[01:24] <intelikey> yep.  and possably "fritz"  ???
[01:24] <Minataku> So the other device asserts it, and the jerk device says "No, I didn't assert jack, go to hell"
[01:24] <Minataku> Eventually, the kernel has enough of that crap and tells everyone on that line to piss off
[01:24] <intelikey> tim doesn't look like anyone in here atm knows.  so try   #wine-hq
[01:24] <intelikey> or is it #winehq
[01:25] <Minataku> I'm sure either one will get him the same amount of help he got in here
[01:25] <Minataku> None, that is
[01:25] <Minataku> :P
[01:25] <Minnozz> Minataku: that made it a lot clearer
[01:25] <Minataku> Minnozz: Heehee, yw
[01:26] <Minnozz> there's one file in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.20-16/kernel/irq , has that anything to do with it? It's name is 'Makefile'
[01:26] <Minataku> Nothing in there is going to help you
[01:26] <intelikey> BIOS
[01:26] <mark_> hello
[01:26] <Minataku> You need to route the IRQs a different way so that the offending device has it's own IRQ
[01:27] <Minataku> If you have an APIC, you should be able to route them however you wish
[01:27] <mark_> does anyone in here know nothing about computers?
[01:27] <mark_> cause i'd like to talk to that person
[01:27] <Minnozz> Ok, I'll try in the BIOS then
[01:27] <npurciful> hey does anyone know how to extract a iso image commandline with no sudo
[01:27] <Minataku> npurciful: dd if=/dev/cdrom of=file.iso
[01:27] <Minnozz> Minataku: what's an APIC
[01:27] <Minataku> Minnozz: Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller
[01:27] <Minataku> From what you've told us, your BIOS has an interface to it's routing table
[01:27] <intelikey> mark_ that's an oximoron of sorts,  if they are here they are here on a computer
[01:28] <Minataku> Try putting every device it lists on a different
[01:28] <Minataku> IRQ
[01:28] <Minataku> Write down what it is originally, though
[01:28] <Minnozz> In the BIOS, I can only chose to disable or assign to PCI, iirc
[01:28] <Minataku> In case changing it fails worse and you have to set them all back
[01:28] <Minnozz> but I'll check that
[01:28] <npurciful> i was told dd was the wayto go but havent figured it out
[01:28] <mark_> oh trust me, i'm here
[01:29] <Minataku> npurciful: Your user may not have read access to the device
[01:29] <Minataku> If that's so, then sudo is the only way possible
[01:29] <mark_> what does i r c stand for anyway?
[01:29] <Minataku> mark_: Please troll someplace else.
[01:29] <Minnozz> internet relay chat
[01:29] <tobias> internet relay chat
[01:29] <intelikey> internet relay chat
[01:29] <mark_> thank you
[01:29] <intelikey> iirc
[01:29] <tobias> nice answers :)
[01:29] <mark_> i'm not trolling dude. i'm new to this stuff, trying to learn
[01:29] <Minnozz> at least we agree =)
[01:29] <mark_> and btw, i couldn't find someplace else if i tried. this window just poped up
[01:30] <Minataku> mark_: Funny. You don't know what IRC stands for, but you're quite well-versed otherwise.
[01:30] <Minataku> Again
[01:30] <Minataku> mark_: Please troll someplace else.
[01:30] <Minataku> Nice try, though
[01:30] <Minnozz> but I'm rebooting and changing BIOS options now, brb
[01:30] <mark_> hold on i'm gonna google troll
[01:30] <Minataku> Well... not really... I spotted it really fast this time
[01:31] <intelikey> mark_ you can join other channels by typing in   /join #ubuntu-offtopic       or what ever the channel name is ...    /join ##windows    for example.
[01:31] <mark_> oh
[01:31] <mark_> thanks
[01:31] <mark_> is there a way to get a list of channels so i can choose?
[01:31] <LjL> !channels
[01:31] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[01:31] <mark_> thanks
[01:31] <Minataku> Heya, LjLjLjLjLjLjLjL
[01:31] <intelikey> mark_ yeah.  but the list on freenoed is long.         /list
[01:32] <intelikey> Minataku turn the reverb down.
[01:32] <Minataku> Heehee
[01:32] <Minataku> I'm just bored, sorry. X3
[01:32] <LjL> :)
[01:33] <siimo> hi anyone running kubuntu dapper still?
[01:33] <Minataku> Dapper is LTS
[01:33] <jereme> how can I configure twinview on kubuntu?
[01:33] <Minataku> Long Term Support
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> siimo: its officially supported, but you'd be hard pressed to find someone running it.
[01:33] <Minataku> Right
[01:34] <LjL> !twinview
[01:34] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[01:34] <Minataku> I use Gentoo and NetBSD primarily
[01:34] <nosrednaekim> ya... I forgot about you intelikey
[01:34] <intelikey> have one hoary box
[01:34] <jereme> mmm not xinerama...
[01:34] <jereme> xinerama is slow
[01:34] <jereme> !DualHead
[01:34] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[01:35] <mark_> of ffs
[01:35] <nonewmsgs> ok i learned my lesson about betas, but now how do i downgrade back to feisty
[01:35] <kalorin_> man i notice that netscape seems really slow lately
[01:35] <Minataku> Fast File System? No, not here. That's a BSD thing.
[01:35] <npurciful> Minataku: it not a device but a ISO Image
[01:35] <intelikey> Minataku am i lysdexic or is that tokyo ?
[01:36] <Minataku> npurciful: You said you want to dump an ISO, right?
[01:36] <Minataku> intelikey: Kyoto and Tokyo are two different cities
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: Kyoto is also a city..
[01:36] <Minataku> iNiku: :P
[01:36] <intelikey> ok, bad joke.  i'll quit.
[01:36] <Minataku> Er... intelikey (Sorry, iNiku)
[01:36] <npurciful> yeah, extract the iso without mounting it
[01:36] <intelikey> :)
[01:36] <Minataku> npurciful: Right. You use dd, but you need read access to the CDROM device
[01:37] <intelikey> lol
[01:37] <Minataku> If you can't read from the device, you can't dump the ISO with _anything_
[01:37] <kalorin_> did he spell it sdrawkcab?
[01:37] <kalorin_> ;)
[01:37] <npurciful> Minataku: why i have the image already gutsy-alt*.iso
[01:37] <intelikey> correct' permissions on the device node dictate raw access
[01:38] <Minataku> npurciful: You want to BURN the ISO, then, don't you?
[01:38] <npurciful> No,
[01:38] <Minataku> Which way is the data going, from the CD to the HDD or the other way around?
[01:38] <Minataku> Are we taking the data from the CD and putting it into a file on the HDD?
[01:38] <mark_> !channels
[01:38] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[01:38] <npurciful> I want the files in the image extracted without sudo access to a folder for rebuilding a image
[01:39] <JimmyDee> so loop mount the image
[01:39] <Minataku> To access the files on the CD, it has to be mounted somewhere
[01:39] <mark_> so is everyone in here a computer tech?
[01:40] <JimmyDee> not me, I'm a gardener, I just like the geeky talk
[01:40] <Minataku> I'm a Computer Engineer
[01:40] <mark_> ah i see
[01:40] <Minataku> A couple steps above a tech
[01:40] <mark_> oh
[01:40] <Minataku> A couple dozen or so
[01:40] <Minataku> lol
[01:40] <mark_> my roommate's an it guy, so that's how i'm here
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> mark_: i'm 17 and like to ACT that way :)
[01:41] <JimmyDee> engineers make them, technicians fix the engineers problems
[01:41] <Minataku> mark_: Sorry, I thought you were trolling
[01:41] <Minataku> Though if you ARE, I'll be really mad
[01:41] <Minataku> lol
[01:41] <mark_> mintaku man i didn't know what trolling ment
[01:41] <npurciful> I read that dd could extract the image to files on a HDD
[01:41] <JimmyDee> just loop mount the image
[01:42] <intelikey> i resemble the remark of being call a "computer tech"    i'm pure g33k through and through,  thank you very much.
[01:42] <mark_> nosrednaekim: so shouldn't you be out at a party? it's friday
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> mark_: me?party? haha.
[01:42] <mark_> how the fuck do you guys make it red?
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> mark_: I don't "party"
[01:42] <nosrednaekim> !ohmy
[01:42] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:42] <Minataku> npurciful: dd can extract the ENTIRE CD IMAGE to a single file
[01:42] <npurciful> I am making a script that run in the middle of the night without intervention
[01:42] <PriceChild> !hilight | mark_
[01:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hilight - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:42] <PriceChild> bah
[01:42] <mark_> oh right, sorry
[01:42] <PriceChild> mark_, basically use the person's name in your sentence
[01:43] <Minataku> You can take the whole CD and make a copy of it as a file on your hard drive
[01:43] <intelikey> mark_ your irc client highlights on your nick.
[01:43] <mark_> !hilight | PriceChild like this?
[01:43] <npurciful> Minataku: oh ok
[01:43] <mark_> oh i see ok
[01:43] <Minataku> Which can then... nevermind, you've already got iy
[01:43] <Minataku> *it
[01:43] <PriceChild> mark_, doesn't need the !hilight, i just thought ubotu had a factoid to explain it.
[01:43] <Minataku> lol
[01:43] <intelikey> mark_
[01:43] <mark_> intelikey
[01:43] <intelikey> see.
[01:43] <Minataku> Minataku:
[01:44] <Minataku> \o/
[01:44] <mark_> lol i'm learning allready
[01:44] <tobias> >o<
[01:44] <Minataku> Minnozz: Did anyone care about IRQ 17 this time?
[01:44] <diggy> whats a good video recording program for webcams?
[01:44] <uga> sstchur: everything fine?
[01:44] <Minnozz> Minataku: Didn't get any messages yet, but they only show up once in a while
[01:44] <intelikey> !webcam | diggy
[01:44] <ubotu> diggy: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[01:44] <persen_> Hi all, just installed new mobo, gfx and cpu and want to use my old kubuntu feisty.. Is it an easy way to "detect and setup" my new hardware?
[01:44] <Minataku> Minnozz: Ah.
[01:45] <Minataku> k
[01:45] <Minataku> We'll see then
[01:45] <sstchur> uga: yeah
[01:45] <Minnozz> IRQ17 wasn't in the list though
[01:45] <Minnozz> the highest was 15
[01:45] <Minataku> Let's see, it's 8:44AM in Japan
[01:45] <jereme> persen_: it will probably just work with the exception of changing your X driver
[01:45] <sstchur> uga: except that I installed compiz, ran compiz -- replace, and now all of my windows borders are gone
[01:45] <intelikey> persen_ what's to detect/setup ???
[01:45] <sstchur> I can't resize or move anything
[01:45] <Minataku> Minnozz: Are there more than one device on any IRQ line?
[01:45] <uga> sstchur: you're missing the window decorator then
[01:46] <Minnozz> Minataku: there are no devices, just "assigned to pci"
[01:46] <persen_> intelikey, All my new hardware. Like install drivers and such..
[01:46] <Minataku> Hm
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> sstchur: alt+f2, "kwin --replace"
[01:46] <nosrednaekim> sstchur: and you need emerald
[01:46] <intelikey> persen_ sudo dpkg-recongifure xserver-xorg -phigh
[01:46] <usser> sstchur: do u use kubuntu?
[01:46] <uga> nosrednaekim: that won't help him run compiz ;)
[01:46] <sstchur> usser: yea
[01:46] <Minnozz> but I enabled something that makes my OS assign the IRQ's (it was off)
[01:46] <Philistine_> how many operating systems are there? seem slike i only ever har of linux, unix, windows, and whatever macs use
[01:46] <usser> sstchur: install compiz-kde
[01:46] <persen_> jereme, My new card is an geforce8xxx, my old card was geforce 4xxx. Ive installed the nvidia driver, should it still work you think?
[01:46] <Minataku> Minnozz: You'll need to have Linux read the routing differently, then
[01:46] <Minataku> Ah
[01:46] <usser> sstchur: run ccsm
[01:47] <nosrednaekim> uga: well... its better than nothin ;)
[01:47] <uga> Philistine_: openbsd, freebsd, netbsd, gnu hurd,...
[01:47] <usser> sstchur: and in the window decoration type in kde-window-decorator
[01:47] <sstchur> usser: I did include compiz-kde when I run apt-get... but I think it crashed when I first ran compiz --replace
[01:47] <Minataku> Minnozz: Well, pastebin /proc/interrupts for me
[01:47] <uga> Philistine_: sun solaris, hp  ux... =)
[01:47] <Minataku> HP-UX
[01:47] <usser> sstchur: what does it say under window decoration in ccsm
[01:47] <Minataku> There are also old ones
[01:47] <Philistine_> uga i've never heard of those, are they just not used as often?
[01:47] <sstchur> usser: yeah, it crashes everytime I do altF2: compiz --replace
[01:47] <uga> Minataku: I was meant to type that. Not sure what I pressed
[01:48] <Minataku> Like OS/8
[01:48] <nosrednaekim> Philistine_: Mac OS is a branch of BSD BTW
[01:48] <Minataku> There's also OpenVMS
[01:48] <Minataku> nosrednaekim: WRONG
[01:48] <sstchur> usser: I don't see window decoration.... I see window management, utility, and some others
[01:48] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: oh rly?
[01:48] <Minnozz> Minataku: http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=rawpaste&p=1035
[01:48] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: its at least a derivative
[01:48] <Minataku> Darwin is a hacked-up combination of CMU Mach ala NeXTSTEP and FreeBSD userland
[01:49] <Minataku> Really, it's only link to BSD is that it's userland is completely stolen from FreeBSD
[01:49] <usser> sstchur: hm its supposed to there, als try starting compiz from the console and pastebin the output
[01:49] <Minataku> As for OSX, what actually makes it OSX is only the GUI
[01:49] <Minataku> Calling OSX an OS is much akin to calling X11 an OS
[01:49] <Minataku> Completely wrong. :3
[01:49] <Philistine_> bsd?
[01:49] <sstchur> usser: maybe I found it under advanced search | settings tab
[01:49] <Minataku> Minataku: You're gonna get it again
[01:49] <intelikey> Minataku yes but one could/should call grub an os
[01:49] <sstchur> usser: says decoration windows: any
[01:49] <Minataku> Er
[01:49] <usser> Minataku: well how about the leopard is it still considered just a gui?
[01:50] <Minataku> Minnozz: On either 17 or 19, I think
[01:50] <Philistine_> Intelikey what's bsd?
[01:50] <uga> Minataku: userland? I thought they grabbed the kernel, rather ;)
[01:50] <intelikey> Philistine_ no comment.
[01:50] <usser> sstchur: nah its not it
[01:50] <uga> Philistine_: another OS, just like linux
[01:50] <Minataku> intelikey: GRUB lacks quite every feature considered of an OS
[01:50] <Minataku> uga: Wrong
[01:50] <sstchur> usser: ok, so what do I do?
[01:50] <persen_> Should i take "nv" or "nvidia" as the X driver? I think "nv" is the proprietary nvidia driver (best) or am i wrong?
[01:50] <uga> Minataku: what did they steal then, the graphics? =)))
[01:50] <sstchur> run it from the cosonle
[01:50] <sstchur> ?
[01:51] <Minataku> Darwin uses the "xnu" kernel, which is the CMU Mach kernel from NeXTSTEP
[01:51] <Minataku> Much like the entirety of OS X is built off NeXTSTEP
[01:51] <Minataku> And slightly evolved
[01:51] <Philistine_> uga so why do most people either go for linux or windows if there are some many options?
[01:51] <Minataku> OS X is the ultimate in cheapness
[01:51] <Minataku> Every part of it came from something that already existed
[01:51] <uga> Minataku: I was completely convinced it was a bsd kernel. Then I get corrected
[01:51] <Minnozz> Minataku: There are a lot of devices on the same lines, is that normal?
[01:51] <Minataku> Apple are completely greedy jerks
[01:51] <Minataku> Minnozz: Yes
[01:52] <Minataku> Wanna see one of mine?
[01:52] <usser> sstchur: yea try that
[01:52] <Minataku>  11:   99788880    XT-PIC-XT        yenta, yenta, ehci_hcd:usb1, ohci_hcd:usb2, ohci_hcd:usb3, ohci_hcd:usb4, ALI 5451, ohci_hcd:usb5, ehci_hcd:usb6, pcmcia0.0
[01:52] <Minataku> Try that one on for size
[01:52] <sstchur> what am i looking for? it just crashes the same way
[01:52] <uga> Philistine_: because their current status is similar to the status linux had 10 years ago. Hard to install for most
[01:52] <Minnozz> wow
[01:52] <intelikey> Minataku no.  it has everything required by the classification    grub is an os    it's a boot loader OS    it has a task schedular, it provides an interface with the cpu "command line and graphic"   and mounts file systems / reads files.
[01:52] <Minataku> intelikey: The shell is only to interact with GRUB
[01:52] <uga> Philistine_: there's easier to install distributions like PCBSD, but I can't suggest them. Not very nice distributions
[01:53] <intelikey> but it still qualifies
[01:53] <Minataku> It's a single-task bare-metal program
[01:53] <Minnozz> Minataku: Where can I change which IRQ's are assigned to which devices?
[01:53] <Minataku> It's merely a step in the bootstrap process
[01:53] <Philistine_> uga don't worry. i couldn't install an OS if i tried
[01:53] <Minataku> Minnozz: You can try using the "irqpoll" option suggested in the IRQ disable message
[01:53] <Philistine_> uga my talents lie elsewhere
[01:53] <intelikey> and probably is more indepth than ibm or ms dos started out...
[01:53] <usser> sstchur: no output at all?
[01:53] <Minataku> intelikey: Not at all
[01:54] <Minataku> GRUB does not qualify as an OS
[01:54] <uga> Philistine_: heh, so how did you install Kubuntu ;)
[01:54] <Minnozz> Minataku: how can I boot with that option? can I enter it in GRUB?
[01:54] <Minataku> It does not run anything within itself, it loads and passes control from itself to another program
[01:54] <Minataku> This is why it is a bootloader
[01:54] <Philistine_> uga my roommate did it cause when i bought this comp it had vista on it and he refused to let me on his lan
[01:54] <usser> sstchur: do u have emerald installed?
[01:54] <uga> Philistine_: LOL
[01:54] <Philistine_> uga so now i run linux
[01:54] <uga> that's nice
[01:54] <Philistine_> i'm very slowly learning
[01:54] <uga> Vista is really confusing, anyway
[01:55] <Minataku> It sits as part of the boot process, to transition from BIOS bootstrap to OS initalization
[01:55] <Minataku> Minnozz: Yes
[01:55] <Philistine_> most of my info comes from either asking him quesitons or reading his slashdot scroller on his desktop
[01:55] <usser> uga: oh u in the wrong camp then, linux is far more confusing )
[01:55] <Minataku> I don't know how Kubuntu has GRUB set up, though
[01:55] <sstchur> usser: I have beryl installed, so I think so
[01:55] <Philistine_> vista isn't confusing at all. i needed the babysitter
[01:55] <sstchur> i did emerald-themes a while back
[01:55] <sstchur> oh but wait, i've done a reinstall since then so maybe not
[01:55] <uga> usser: believe me or not, it took me ages to setup the damn network on a friend's pc,... and on linux it works out of the box
[01:56] <Minataku> Usually when I have to add things to my command line in GRUB, I hit "e" on the entry I want then edit the command line and hit "b"
[01:56] <Minataku> TBH, I haven't really used GRUB in a while, last time was 24d ago
[01:56] <Minataku> lol
[01:56] <usser> sstchur: ok so try this compiz --replace -c emerald
[01:56] <LeeJunFan> Man, I really have reservations about compiz being on by default. If you don't mind your window decorations crashing.
[01:56] <sstchur> yeah, it worked
[01:56] <Minnozz> Minataku: I'll try
[01:57] <Minataku> Minnozz: Sorry I'm not too helpful on this right now, my mind has become kinda fried in the past 5 minutes
[01:57] <Minataku> @.@
[01:57] <Philistine_> i can help with that
[01:57] <Philistine_> we'll lower the bar
[01:57] <usser> sstchur: thats good
[01:57] <Minataku> (;`) 
[01:58] <sstchur> this is very different from beryl; how do I rotate the cube?
[01:58] <jereme> what's the default hotkey for katapult config?
[01:58] <Philistine_> for example, if i can haev windows in VMWare, can i also have those other OS's you've mentioned? and would there be a point to it?
[01:58] <usser> sstchur: the cube rotation is not on by default
[01:58] <usser> sstchur: theres this wall plugin
[01:58] <Minataku> I have reservations about all these fancy-ass GUIs
[01:58] <usser> sstchur: go to ccsm and turn on desktop cube and cube rotation
[01:58] <Minataku> Bunch of completely useless eyecandy to me
[01:59] <Minataku> Just a load of flashy crap with no purpose or benefit
[01:59] <jereme> the cube desktop has total benefit
[01:59] <jereme> crap like wavey windows, not so much
[01:59] <Philistine_> jereme that's not quite true
[01:59] <intelikey> i ran katapult the other day.    got a picture of a sling shot in the middle of the screen that covered everything else.    had to xkill it.
[01:59] <Minataku> But then I'm a much more practical person, especially when it comes to computing
[01:59] <sstchur> usser: i can't seem to find them
[01:59] <usser> Minataku: u ppl like u started the inquisition, *shakes fist* lol )))
[01:59] <Philistine_> jereme i dont know much about computers and the main thing which keeps me interested are things like the cube and flame effects
[02:00] <sstchur> Beryl seems to have a better interface... will that be merged into compiz eventually?
[02:00] <intelikey> perhaps katapult should only be ran from kde ???
[02:00] <Philistine_> if it weren't for things like that, i'd be even worse off
[02:00] <sstchur> weird, my cube is flat
[02:00] <nonewmsgs> sstchur beryl and compiz have already merged and the result is called fusion
[02:01] <LeeJunFan> sstchur: I doubt it - the underpinnings of the plugins and stuff have changed a lot, the beryl configuration tool would have to be redone from scratch. I liked it better too.
[02:01] <usser> sstchur: pbbly not, in the search box in the top left corner enter cube
[02:01] <sstchur> nonewmsgs: right, that's why I was asking if the beryl interface would make it into compiz fusion
[02:01] <hangthedj> has anyone ever had their back forward and up icons disapear from konqueror?
[02:01] <usser> sstchur: its supposed to find it
[02:01] <quixogre> so without  fedora?TOO much bias. whats the difference between ubuntu and
[02:01] <intelikey> compiz was a fork of beryl anyway wasn't it ?
[02:01] <Philistine_> this is a good time to ask, Minataku what is compiz? it's always there when i start my comp up
[02:01] <LeeJunFan> intelikey: other way around.
[02:01] <usser> intelikey: beryl was the fork )
[02:01] <jereme> intelikey: apparently you hit ctrl+x when the slingshot is up to open the config, then you can tell katapult to run in the systray and be accessible via alt+space for quicksliver like goodness
[02:01] <Minataku> I just said I don't like any of that stuff
[02:01] <Minataku> lol
[02:01] <quixogre> so without TOO much bias. whats the difference between ubuntu and fedora?
[02:01] <Minataku> Philistine_: Sorry, I don't know exactly what it is
[02:02] <Minataku> I don't care about it, so I don't use it
[02:02] <Philistine_> Minataku its ok, i use it and i don't care about it
[02:02] <LeeJunFan> quixogre: the biggest diff is RPM vs deb, and the package management system in general.
[02:02] <sstchur> how do I make it actually a cube and not just flat?
[02:02] <webulator70> quixogre fedora is not based on debian so for one thing it doesnt use apt or .deb files but .rpm system instead
[02:02] <Minataku> lol
[02:02] <webulator70> damn beaten to the punch, lol
[02:02] <quixogre> damn. i hate rpm files. thanks
[02:02] <LeeJunFan> quixogre: there are differences that are notable in the way most redhat based systems do things in /etc from other systems as well. Slack,deb, and redhat based systems seem to differ the most in /etc.
[02:03] <webulator70> i like fedora 2nd best but i also hate rpms
[02:03] <Minataku> Heh, wait until you try one of the BSDs
[02:03] <jereme> ubuntu makes people happy... fedora makes people sad
[02:03] <webulator70> other then rpms i gotta admit, fedora is solid too
[02:03] <jereme> bsd makes people kill
[02:03] <Minataku> Insanely different :3
[02:03] <webulator70> hahha
[02:03] <Minataku> Not at all
[02:03] <Minataku> I've used Linuxes, I've used BSDs, I've even used SysVs
[02:03] <Philistine_> bsd? i googled it and all it came up with was a company, which dosen't fit the way you're using the term
[02:03] <webulator70> what does windows make people do?
[02:04] <jereme> webulator70: fling poo at eachother
[02:04] <webulator70> whats sysv?
[02:04] <Minataku> webulator70: Become brain damaged
[02:04] <Minataku> System V
[02:04] <webulator70> lolage
[02:04] <Minataku> As in AT&T Unix System V
[02:04] <jereme> Philistine_: OpenBSD, NetBSD, FreeBSD to name a few
[02:04] <uga> Philistine_: the first entry in google is "freebsd"
[02:04] <uga> which is a bsd distribution
[02:04] <Minataku> Solaris (used to be) a System V
[02:04] <uga> not a company ;)
[02:04] <uga> second entry is bsd.org
[02:04] <uga> which lists all of them
[02:04] <webulator70> im not a fan of sun products really
[02:05] <Philistine_> uga jereme yeah it's some sort of project
[02:05] <uga> Philistine_: just like linux is a project
[02:05] <Minataku> *BSD is derived from Berkeley BSD, which was derived initially from 6th Edition Unix
[02:05] <Philistine_> oh i see
[02:05] <uga> a project of a "kid" called Linus Torvalds =)
[02:05] <Philistine_> alright then
[02:05] <Minataku> BSD stands for Berkeley System Distribution
[02:06] <Philistine_> and they put out operating systems?
[02:06] <Minataku> Berkeley being University of California, Berkeley
[02:06] <Minataku> In Berkeley, California, USA
[02:06] <Philistine_> i know about universities, i'm in one
[02:06] <Philistine_> just not for computes
[02:06] <Minataku> I don't believe UCB still does BSD
[02:06] <Minnozz> Minataku: I don't know if I booted with irqpoll now, when I hit 'b' the power went off
[02:06] <uga> Philistine_: they create operating systems for computers, yes
[02:06] <Philistine_> uga thanks
[02:06] <uga> from home computers to supercomputers
[02:07] <Minataku> The original BSD is long gone
[02:07] <uga> to embedded systems like your pdas or iStuff
[02:07] <Minataku> Living on in the various forks
[02:07] <Philistine_> ah i see
[02:07] <Minataku> www.levenez.com/unix
[02:07] <webulator70> bsd is more closer to unix then linux is right?
[02:07] <Minataku> Check that out, it has a whole timeline of Unices
[02:07] <Minataku> webulator70: Much closer
[02:08] <Philistine_> laright thanks
[02:08] <Philistine_> we'll see if i can understand it though
[02:08] <uga> Minataku: possibly the Hurd is pretty close to the original version, though ;)
[02:08] <Minataku> BSD has a direct link back to the original Unix
[02:08] <webulator70> linux is just a clone right?
[02:08] <webulator70> well not "just" but you know what i mean
[02:08] <Minataku> BSD was initially derived from 6th Edition Unix from Bell Telephone Laboratories in Murray Hill, NJ
[02:08] <Minataku> Linux is a Unix Clone, correct
[02:08] <Minataku> BSD is a Unix Derivative
[02:09] <webulator70> ah
[02:09] <Philistine_> so if unix was around first, why did linux develop faster? shouldn't people have developed the original programs and improved them, seems like it would ave been easier
[02:10] <webulator70> are there any easy repos for compiz fusion?
[02:10] <persen_> dpkg-reconfigure -xserver-xorg -phigh didnt work.. Is there any other ways to config X nowadays? Im using a Full HD tv as monitor btw.
[02:10] <uga> Philistine_: people couldn't afford computers and unix OSes back then. Too expensive
[02:10] <stdin> Philistine_: because linux is open source
[02:10] <ScorpKing> quixogre: hi. i did a dd to nfs. :D
[02:10] <Minnozz> Minataku: what is 'irqpoll' supposed to do?
[02:10] <uga> Philistine_: and these guys created something cheaper, called Linux
[02:10] <uga> that everyone run at home on cheaper cups
[02:10] <uga> cpus
[02:10] <webulator70> persen, take the dash out before xserver
[02:11] <Minataku> Minnozz: Linux has a couple different ways of mapping out the IRQs
[02:11] <uga> Philistine_: back then only universities etc could afford having unix running in those expensive machine
[02:11] <Philistine_> uga are there any substantive differences between operating systems?
[02:11] <xennetwork> Hello everybody
[02:11] <Philistine_> uga unix was that expensive? like windows?
[02:11] <Minataku> Actually, BSD came to the 386 first
[02:11] <uga> Philistine_: from the user's point of view, they are same. Internally, completely different
[02:11] <Minataku> In the form of 386BSD
[02:11] <uga> Philistine_: much more =)
[02:11] <xennetwork> Is there a command i can so from the command line to open the control panel?
[02:11] <Minataku> And it was actually fairly cheap
[02:12] <uga> Philistine_: notice we are talking about .. uhm... 25+ years ago?
[02:12] <Minataku> Before that, BSD was available to students free of charge
[02:12] <uga> computers weren't very common back then
[02:13] <Philistine_> so what changed?
[02:14] <Minnozz> Minataku: this is /proc/interrupts now: http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=showpaste&paste=1036
[02:14] <xennetwork> can some one tell me a command that will open the control panel from the command line or recovery window?
[02:14] <Philistine_> was it just the avaliablity of computers which led to the rise of cheaper OS's and the development of linux?
[02:14] <uga> Philistine_: exactly
[02:15] <jereme> students and professors with access to large unix mainframes wanted those same abilities on smaller cheaper PC's
[02:15] <Philistine_> uga so with the continued development of computer tech is it actually hurting the advancement of programming by keeping the prices high?
[02:15] <uga> Philistine_: actually I said 25years, but that was too long reach. it began on the 91
[02:15] <jereme> without spending the insane licensing fees
[02:15] <Philistine_> if the development stopped, the price of comps would drop, would we see another lead like we did
[02:15] <Philistine_> *leap
[02:16] <uga> Philistine_: well, I wouldn't say prices are kept high. They get lower
[02:16] <Philistine_> uga true, but the dramatic drop you mentioned hasn't been matched has it?
[02:16] <uga> you can buy laptops fairly cheap these days
[02:16] <xennetwork> can some one please help me?
[02:16] <uga> Philistine_: the dramatic drop happened back then
[02:16] <uga> people at home found the x86, and finally PCs existed
[02:16] <Philistine_> uga yeah, if it happened again would we see another explosion in software development?
[02:17] <Minataku> Minnozz: Looks exactly the same >.<
[02:17] <uga> nah
[02:17] <Philistine_> uga what i mean is, are today's prices holding us back like they did before?
[02:17] <Minataku> Try it with... hm... I think this may be unresolvable
[02:17] <uga> Philistine_: the boom was because it was from "nobody got a pc" to "now everyone can afford one"
[02:17] <Minnozz> Minataku: I don't know if I entered irqpoll the right way
[02:17] <uga> Philistine_: that won't happen again. Everyone got a pc at home
[02:17] <Minnozz> I placed it on a new line, right before savedefault
[02:17] <jereme> wow I have the answer for xennet and he's gone
[02:17] <jereme> genius
[02:18] <Minataku> Minnozz: Oh, no, that's wrong
[02:18] <Minataku> It has to be on that first line
[02:18] <intelikey> uga not to "now everyone can afford one"  but to   "now everybody dumb enough to buy one."    ;/
[02:18] <Philistine_> uga true. they're getting way to powerful though. until a few months ago i was happily using a 90's 566mhz copm with windows 98
[02:18] <Minataku> Where it has the /boot/vmlinuzblahblah stuff
[02:18] <Philistine_> now i've got a comp that's way more powerful than i'll ever need
[02:18] <Philistine_> capable of doing things i don't understand
[02:18] <uga> Philistine_: you don't need the most expensive machines to run nowadays
[02:19] <Minnozz> Minataku: just a space behind the last character and then 'irqpoll' without quotes?
[02:19] <Minnozz> or is it a switch
[02:19] <Minnozz> --irqpoll or so
[02:19] <jereme> Minnozz: are you troubleshooting the ata issues at boot?
[02:19] <Minataku> No, it's not a switch
[02:20] <Minnozz> jereme: what do you mean?
[02:20] <Minataku> jereme: No, it's an IRQ conflict
[02:20] <jereme> for what reason are you adding irqpoll?
[02:20] <uga> Philistine_: you may see more coders from other countries if projects like OLPC suceed
[02:20] <uga> succeed, even
[02:20] <Minataku> Some device doesn't seem to be happy being on a shared IRQ
[02:20] <jereme> oh, because I'm having a problem with my ata that is supposedly solved by doing the same solution
[02:20] <Minnozz> jereme: see http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=rawpaste&p=1034
[02:20] <jereme> but I was concerned if there was any performance cost
[02:20] <persen_> Hm, I've installed (as i said earlier) that i've installed new mobo, cpu and gfx card. Now, ALL my hardware is changed literally.. I see that some of the old drivers from my old computer setup is still trying to be used. Is there a way i can perform an full "hardware check" where it erases all preexisting knowledge of my hardware ? As if i were to install a fresh kubuntu.
[02:20] <Minataku> jereme: Good, you help him
[02:20] <Philistine_> olpc eh, that's the uh, one with the development. right?
[02:20] <Minataku> And no, no performace cost
[02:21] <wers> anyone knows what opensync's kde frontend in gutsy is?
[02:21] <Minataku> Well, perhaps a slight hit
[02:21] <Minataku> Nothing significant, though
[02:21] <Minataku> Though I don't really know
[02:21] <jereme> well, I haven't applied the fix yet.. so I'm not sure I'm much help
[02:21] <Minataku> It may be the only solution, however
[02:21] <uga> Philistine_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olpc
[02:21] <Minataku> !bootoption
[02:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bootoption - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:21] <Minataku> Bleh
[02:21] <jereme> for me I hang like 2 minutes on boot
[02:21] <jereme> while this ata stuff pukes all over itself
[02:22] <jereme> then I'm fine
[02:22] <Philistine_> oh i've heard of that
[02:22] <Willabee> Hey, I'm having trouble partitioning
[02:22] <intelikey> fritz maybe ?
[02:22] <Philistine_> what blows my mind is that they have internet access in countries where they don't have decent access to medical and educational systems
[02:23] <Willabee> Whenever I try to partition my HD (ntfs), it just says to check the file system and fix problems if possible
[02:23] <Philistine_> speaking of foreigners, anyone from outside NA?
[02:23] <Minnozz> Philistine_: Netherlands here
[02:23] <jereme> I'm from US
[02:23] <intelikey> Willabee you need to boot M$ up and defrag that drive with pagefile turned off.
[02:23] <Philistine_> Netherlands eh Minnozz, good to know there're people from there
[02:24] <Philistine_> :D
[02:24] <Philistine_> never met anyone from there before
[02:24] <Skiff> hey, any1 has a link how to properly partition in kubuntu?
[02:24] <Minnozz> Well, it's an honor to be the first one ^^
[02:24] <Willabee> Where do I turn pagefile off
[02:25] <Philistine_> is it normal for 5 people to be talking in a channel with 342 people logged in?
[02:25] <Minnozz> I'm afraid it is
[02:25] <Philistine_> you creepers should stop reading our convo's and go have one of your own
[02:25] <intelikey> idk. i don't do windows.    i found it when i installed linux for a friend that does do windows.  but forcing me to look at windows is hard on a friendship
[02:26] <ScorpKing> Willabee: do a defrag and chkdsk before resizing.
[02:26] <Willabee> ok
[02:26] <Minnozz> @everyone who reads this: say 'Hi!' ^^
[02:26] <Willabee> brb
[02:26] <Daskreech> Lo!
[02:26] <Philistine_> Hi
[02:26] <Philistine_> !
[02:26] <ScorpKing> 'Hi'^^
[02:26] <uga> Minnozz: your irc client is broken, we can't read you
[02:27] <ScorpKing> hi uga
[02:27] <Philistine_> Minnozz that was a resounding failure
[02:27] <uga> hi ScorpKing
[02:27] <Minnozz> uga: whoa that's one hack of a coincidence, I can't read your text too! =O
[02:27] <ScorpKing> uga, dd to nfs did work. :)
[02:27] <intelikey> Philistine_ """you creepers should stop reading our convo's and go have one of your own"""    in an open channel ????     and not only open but also the official kubuntu support channel ???
[02:28] <uga> ScorpKing: uh? cloning hdd through nfs???
[02:28] <uga> or files
[02:28] <Daskreech> brb
[02:28] <ScorpKing> uga, yes. :D
[02:28] <ScorpKing> dd
[02:28] <ScorpKing> i'll explain
[02:28] <uga> that sounds strange ;)
[02:28] <Philistine_> intelikey yeah, what's the point of being in a channel where the only thing discussed is computers if you don't ahve a computer issue
[02:29] <intelikey> Philistine_ you mean you don't want anyone to lurk here ?      then you obviously wouldn't like   #ubuntu
[02:29] <Philistine_> intelikey i have to reg before i can send pm's
[02:30] <ScorpKing> uga: i booted from the live cd and mounted nfs. uid on nfs is 1000 so i added another user which had uid 1000. /dev/hda is owned by root:disk so i added the new user to group disk and just did a dd to nfs dir. simple :D
[02:31] <intelikey> Philistine_ the whole point of an open channel, is so many people can participate, admittedly it does seem odd that people leave their computers loged in and go on vacation for a month...
[02:31] <Minnozz> Minataku: so I can just add irqpoll to the vmlinuz-line?
[02:31] <ScorpKing> lol
[02:31] <Philistine_> ok so who just saw me register?
[02:32] <ScorpKing> not me
[02:32] <intelikey> only the ircops
[02:32] <intelikey> can't hide anything from the server operator.
[02:32] <jereme> Minnozz: open up /boot/grub/menu.lst and scroll down to the kernel entries... find the line that sais kernel and add irqpoll to the end right after the word splash
[02:32] <Minataku> Minnozz: Yes
[02:33] <Minataku> Like jereme said
[02:33] <jereme> in all likelyhood you are running the first kernel listed
[02:33] <Minataku> Sorry, was writing a program for a Programmable Logic Controller
[02:33] <ScorpKing> uga: i think someone will need to do that in the future. where is the best place to post a howto?
[02:33] <jereme> do not mess with the recovery mode kernels
[02:33] <Minataku> Nothing to actually be implemented, just a homework assignment
[02:33] <Minataku> lol
[02:34] <Philistine_> i'm one of you now
[02:34] <Philistine_> i'm registered
[02:34] <Philistine_> who needs tech support?
[02:34] <ScorpKing> me
[02:34] <Philistine_> ok
[02:34] <Minataku> Haha
[02:34] <ScorpKing> Philistine_: how can i pipe dd to scp?
[02:34] <Philistine_> ScorpKing have you tried to reboot your BIOS with your ethernet port set in the on position?
[02:35] <ScorpKing> lol
[02:35] <Philistine_> sometimes that helps
[02:35] <Minataku> I was getting a bit worried, but it turned out to be an insanely easy PLC program to wite
[02:35] <Minataku> *write
[02:35] <Philistine_> ScorpKing if that dosen't work, format and try again
[02:35] <Minnozz> jereme, Minataku: I edited the line, going for another reboot now
[02:35] <Minataku> Philistine_: How about this... what model PLC would I use if I need at least 500 bits of internal RAM?
[02:35] <Minataku> XD
[02:36] <Minataku> Sorry, I'll go save this file and email it off now
[02:36] <Philistine_> well first i'd reccomend getting them all combined into one, cause i doubt you have room for 500 of em
[02:36] <Philistine_> trick question 0 me 1
[02:36] <intelikey> i guess i need tech support...  umount: /home: device is busy
[02:36] <Philistine_> ok i'll take care of this one
[02:36] <Philistine_> it happneed to me last thursday
[02:36] <ScorpKing> Philistine_: lol. i just spend a lot of time to copy my old laptop hd to a new one without format or reinstall. :D
[02:37] <jereme> well if Minnozz did it right, we won't hear from him
[02:37] <intelikey> i don't see anything that should be accessing /home   what's the fuser command to find what it is ?
[02:37] <jereme> if he did it wrong, we won't hear from him
[02:37] <Philistine_> ScorpKing i wouldn't do that, any slight magnetic disturbance in the atmosphere could delete it in the middle of the process. say if the jetstream shifted the northern lights to be above your city
[02:37] <intelikey> jereme oh yeah. he'll be back either way.
[02:37] <Philistine_> that happened back in 92 in the Great Computer Disaster, i'm sure you remember
[02:37] <ScorpKing> Philistine_: will it help if i live underground?
[02:38] <Philistine_> usually
[02:38] <ScorpKing> lol
[02:38] <Philistine_> but remember that you need to make sure your hardrive has enough sunlight
[02:38] <ScorpKing> uga: u still here?
[02:38] <Philistine_> who's next?
[02:38] <nosrednaekim> or if you bury your computer under 15 feet of conrete...but hat might not be good for other parts of your computer ;)
[02:38] <ScorpKing> Philistine_: and put a strong magnet on it right?
[02:39] <Philistine_> no magnets are overrated
[02:39] <Philistine_> take 3 empty spray paint cans, and tie them together, then place a single cherry pip in the middle
[02:39] <Philistine_> ...not in that order
[02:39] <ScorpKing> that should work. ;)
[02:40] <Philistine_> seriously though, who needs some comp help
[02:40] <ScorpKing> Philistine_: i guess that will get me to format.
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> Philistine_: heh.... there will come a time when you are going to be swamped... :)
[02:40] <Philistine_> ScorpKing there's really no need to format, i was kidding
[02:40] <ScorpKing> :P i know
[02:40] <Philistine_> all you gotta do is refresh your ram
[02:41] <intelikey> someone help me findout what is accessing /home and thus preventing me from umounting it
[02:41] <ScorpKing> lmao @ Philistine_ :D
[02:41] <Philistine_> nosrednaekim do you mean with requests or is that a computer term for something sinister people are going to do to me for being ignorant?
[02:41] <Philistine_> ok intelikey, have you refreshed your ram?
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> Philistine_: with requests
[02:41] <Philistine_> nosrednaekim i'm ok with that
[02:42] <Philistine_> best way to learn
[02:42] <intelikey> Philistine_ i'm about too    the command is   /ignore Philistine_ all   isn't it ?
[02:42] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: did you disable your dma in the request IRC section of /etc/be/an/idiot?
[02:42] <ScorpKing> Philistine_: where do i click to refresh the ram?
[02:42] <|neon|> how do i automatically enable compiz on gutsy? thx
[02:42] <Philistine_> you gotta do it manually
[02:42] <Philistine_> open the case, take them out, and let sit for about a half hour
[02:42] <Philistine_> that should give them a long enough break
[02:43] <Minnozz> Minataku, jereme: don't think it worked... http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=showpaste&paste=1037
[02:43] <jereme> refresh the ram... what in the crap?
[02:43] <intelikey> nosrednaekim be serious here.   what's accessing my /home ?
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: are you typing right now?
[02:43] <jereme> Minnozz: I can't help you with your problem... I was only able to help with the solution you were trying to apply
[02:43] <Scunizi> jereme, doesn't that mean dip them in water while holding both contacts on a 9v battery? :)
[02:43] <ScorpKing> intelikey: if any terminal is in your current /home/you dir it won't unmount.
[02:44] <intelikey> nosrednaekim yes.     there is noone logged in on that box.   just ssh root
[02:44] <intelikey> ScorpKing ^
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: oh... you're serious?
[02:44] <intelikey> yes
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> lol
[02:44] <ScorpKing> lol
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> I thought you were kidding :)
[02:44] <ScorpKing> intelikey: someting is using something on the /home dir
[02:44] <intelikey> yeah i know.  that's why i said.   "<intelikey> nosrednaekim be serious here."
[02:44] <jereme> how can anyone cut through the sarcasm to get help in here
[02:45] <Minataku> Minnozz: Yeah, I'm out of ideas, sorry
[02:45] <intelikey> ScorpKing there is nothing running that should be accessing /home
[02:45] <Philistine_> jereme you need help? what's the problem?
[02:45] <Minnozz> Minataku, jereme: Thanks a lot for your help so far
[02:45] <intelikey> but obviously something is accessing it.
[02:45] <jereme> I don't need help, I'm making an observation
[02:46] <uga> intelikey: lsof |grep /home
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: wonder if there is a way to check what is...
[02:46] <jereme> intelikey: seriously, if you have any login sitting in /home, you can't unmount it
[02:46] <intelikey> ah wait i found it.
[02:46] <jereme> intelikey: if you became root through sudo or su, perhaps the login above that is sitting in home?
[02:46] <ScorpKing> intelikey: the only time that happens is when you pwd and it shows /home/you or some program use something on /home/you. try sudo umount -f /home
[02:46] <uga> jereme: you'd need to passwd to root, and login as root
[02:46] <intelikey> jereme it's not a login.   it's   the modem control script.
[02:47] <jereme> ah
[02:47] <ubuntu> Malade!!!!!!!!!
[02:47] <Philistine_> !identify all
[02:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about identify all - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:47] <intelikey> ScorpKing it's a script
[02:47] <jereme> I'm audi
[02:47] <ardchoille> uga: There's never a reason to log in as root
[02:47] <ScorpKing> intelikey: kill it
[02:47] <uga> ardchoille: check the backlog...
[02:47] <uga> ardchoille: trying to umount /home
[02:48] <wers> I can't find ksync from gutsy's repos.. do you have an idea why?
[02:48] <intelikey> when i do you won't be hearing from me in here.   that's on the gateway box   and it will kill the modem
[02:48] <uga> there's always a good reason to log in as root ,)
[02:48] <Philistine_> !show subscript
[02:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about show subscript - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:48] <wers> !ksync
[02:48] <ardchoille> uga: Why would anyone need to umount /home?
[02:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksync - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:49] <Philistine_> !irc
[02:49] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[02:49] <ScorpKing> someone pls do a botabuse
[02:49] <uga> ardchoille: don't ask me. to each their own. HE wants to umount it, so I explained how =)
[02:49] <Philistine_> ScorpKing what's that?
[02:49] <ScorpKing> :D wait and see
[02:49] <wers> !botabuse
[02:49] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[02:49] <ardchoille> uga: fwiw, logging in as root is not supported and we aren't supposed to suggest it.
[02:49] <ScorpKing> lol
[02:50] <uga> ardchoille: for what it may concern you, I'm not a platform maintainer, nor supporter, nor coder, nor... anything official.
[02:50] <uga> he asked, I answered. If you can do that without logging in as root, let me know
[02:50] <Philistine_> who is ubotu and why is he telling me what to do
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> !botsnack
[02:50] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[02:51] <Philistine_> !botsnack
[02:51] <ScorpKing> Philistine_: it's a bot (program)
[02:51] <Philistine_> ScorpKing so why was it getting all up in my face?
[02:52] <ScorpKing> Philistine_: he doesn't know better. :D
[02:52] <ardchoille> lol
[02:52] <Philistine_> stupid bot
[02:52] <Philistine_> !stupidbot
[02:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stupidbot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:52] <ScorpKing> lol
[02:52] <Philistine_> !rapebot
[02:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rapebot - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:52] <ScorpKing> Philistine_: don't do that!
[02:52] <wers> !botabuse | Philistine_
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> !ohmy
[02:52] <ubotu> Philistine_: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[02:52] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:53] <Philistine_> there it goes again
[02:55] <intelikey> ok guys i'll dismount that drive now for mantainance,  means i probably wont be back for a while.
[02:56] <uga> ardchoille: actually, I find it more dangerous allowing sudo with a default timeout, than logging in as root.
[02:57] <uga> it means you run sudo once, enter password, and anyone that gains access to your normal user, got root permissions for a while
[02:57] <nabil2199> need help:when I use the intel driver the fonts on both kde and konqueror are gigantic
[02:57] <nabil2199> thus unusable
[02:58] <Minataku> Mmmm... NetBSD/pmax 4.0RC1
[02:58] <uga> ardchoille: as the user is running as normal user, doesn't take cautions, and runs anything. That script/executable/whatever can sudo and bang! the user is root
[02:58] <ardchoille> uga: If I wanted to break into your box, I know you have a root account I can spend weeks brute forcing.. can't brute force a locked root account :)
[02:58] <Philistine_> !wireless
[02:58] <quixogre> okay. need help please. is there a reason all my print jobs go to "job hold-until-specified?
[02:58] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:58] <uga> ardchoille: who said I have the root account enabled
[02:58] <uga> you can disable it back
[02:58] <nabil2199> need help:when I use the intel driver the fonts on both kde and konqueror are gigantic
[02:59] <uga> ardchoille: and by the time you manage, I'll have you traced back and got FBI in your doors ;)
[02:59] <ardchoille> uga: Ok, ok, whatever
[02:59] <uga> ardchoille: anyway, the sudo thing is worrying me, seriously
[02:59] <uga> I don't find it very safe
[02:59] <uga> (the defaults)
[03:00] <uga> 15 minutes of free sudo without password is way too open
[03:00] <quixogre> okay. need help please. is there a reason all my print jobs go to "job hold-until-specified"?
[03:00] <ardchoille> uga: So change the timeout
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> quixogre: can you send them manually?
[03:01] <uga> ardchoille: I can take care of my box. I'm worried about users in general
[03:01] <quixogre> nosrednaekim: hehe been a while...how would i do that?
[03:01] <uga> ardchoille: notice kubuntu mods kdesu to use sudo instead
[03:01] <uga> which means the whole desktop got root access for 15 whole minutes without password!
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> quixogre: pop up a the print job viewer with "kjobviewer" and then send the job from there
[03:03] <quixogre> nope, goes back to held
[03:03] <quixogre> nosrednaekim: nope, goes back to held
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> quixogre: is your print server working?
[03:03] <quixogre> nosred, dunno. im just setting it up now
[03:03] <Minataku> Heehee, they're playing American rap music on this Japanese radio station
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: yech.. I hate rap
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> quixogre: is the printer local?
[03:04] <Minataku> I like it. The words typically not so much
[03:04] <ardchoille> uga: You have a good point about the timeout. Perhaps file a bug report and mention that kubuntu needs some kind of ui that allows users to easily change the timeout?
[03:04] <Minataku> But the rhythm
[03:04] <tim> ***How do i isntall GNOME in Kubuntu??*
[03:04] <quixogre> ps -ef | grep lpd doesnt find a printer daemon....
[03:04] <Minataku> But see, I like chiptunes
[03:04] <Minataku> If it's got a good beat, I don't care if it's the same thing over and over
[03:04] <Minataku> lol
[03:04] <ardchoille> tim: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:05] <quixogre> tim: sudo apt-get ubuntu-desktop
[03:05] <Philistine_> ok now that i'm back, who needs some tech help?
[03:05] <uga> ardchoille: uhm, I should check if such gui exists... maybe it does?
[03:05] <nabil2199> need help:when I use the intel driver the fonts on both kde and konqueror are gigantic
[03:05] <nabil2199> please
[03:05] <nabil2199> I need cedega
[03:05] <Philistine_> google it
[03:05] <quixogre> nosrednaekim: no, networked
[03:05] <ardchoille> uga: It would be trivial to write one
[03:05] <Minataku> Philistine_: Please stop harassing users
[03:05] <uga> at least I think the default should be lower. Like 5 minutes at most
[03:06] <uga> lots of things happen in a quarter of an hour
[03:06] <Philistine_> sorry dude, i ment i'm googling it so i can figure out what he's talking about, and maybe help
[03:06] <tim> E: Invalid operation ubuntu-desktop
[03:06] <ardchoille> uga: File it.. the worst that can happen is they say "no".
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> quixogre: on a windos or linux computer>
[03:06] <Minataku> !resolution | nabil2199
[03:06] <uga> heh
[03:06] <ubotu> nabil2199: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[03:06] <__monolith> I have a dual-core CPU, if I wanted to stress the cores individualy to test the load and temprature readings, how would i do that?
[03:06] <Minataku> lo, Jucato
[03:07] <tim> E: Invalid operation ubuntu-desktop
[03:07] <quixogre> nosrednaekim: straight networked printer...dell 52xx laserjet...basically a reworked HP4
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> morning Jucato
[03:07] <ardchoille> tim: you forgot the word "install"
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> quixogre: ah... gotcha
[03:07] <ardchoille> tim: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[03:07] <ScorpKing> uga: you got the thing i posted earlier?
[03:07] <Jucato> yo
[03:07] <Jucato> good morning :)
[03:07] <uga> ScorpKing: no, what?
[03:07] <Minataku> ScorpKing: "Hey Birdman, you get that thing I sent ya?"
[03:07] <Minataku> XD
[03:08] <tim>  sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop wroks
[03:08] <ScorpKing> uga: i booted from the live cd and mounted nfs. uid on nfs is 1000 so i added another user which had uid 1000. /dev/hda is owned by root:disk so i added the new user to group disk and just did a dd to nfs dir. simple :D
[03:08] <tim> what is gnomes size?
[03:08] <Minataku> Sorry, I think of that everytime someone says something like that
[03:08] <ScorpKing> uga: i think someone will need to do that in the future. where is the best place to post a howto?
[03:08] <Minataku> tim: Insanely massive
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> tim: expect to install about 1 gig..
[03:09] <ardchoille> tim: don't kow, but it's going to be a lot of packages
[03:09] <Minataku> Actually, it's stupidly massive
[03:09] <Philistine_> Minataku are you an op or soemthing?
[03:09] <tim> It says 6 minutes left
[03:09] <tim> now 4
[03:09] <ScorpKing> hiya Minataku. lol
[03:09] <coreymon77> tim: how much space do you have to spare?
[03:09] <uga> ScorpKing: oh, you backed up the disk. I thought you _cloned_ the disk over the net
[03:09] <tim>  i have about 55 gb
[03:09] <Minataku> Philistine_: No, but it certainly seems like I am
[03:09] <quixogre> nosrednaekim: i can ping the printer. but jobs seem to get stuck when i send em
[03:09] <Minataku> Either way, that's no excuse to act up
[03:09] <tim> to spare
[03:09] <Minataku> Because while I may not be one, I can get one pretty quickly
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> quixogre: even tests?
[03:10] <Minataku> Anyway, brb
[03:10] <ScorpKing> uga: that's what i did. i'm using the new disk cloned from the old one now.
[03:10] <coreymon77> tim: okay then, you have nothing to worry about then
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> tim: you're fine :)
[03:10] <tim> ANY ONe runs Warcrafr 3 in wine here???????
[03:10] <uga> ScorpKing:  a second... okay, I know dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb  clones one disk to the other. But the destination needs to be a device
[03:10] <quixogre> wierd, just looked at ipp report, is showing localhost in the name...lemme check something
[03:10] <coreymon77> tim: never worked for me
[03:10] <uga> ScorpKing: in your case you have a mounted dir, which isn't a device, right?
[03:11] <tim> IT works for me!!
[03:11] <uga> so what do you put on of=?
[03:11] <coreymon77> tim: i just use doze or my mac for that game
[03:11] <tim> I was even able to RUN it in OPengl in PSlinux but ........... I can't make it run in opengl in Kubuntu!!
[03:11] <|neon|> does anyone knows where i can get GyachI for gutsy
[03:11] <ScorpKing> uga: yes. i made an image to nfs and copied it back to the new disk. the problem i had is that root can't write to nfs so sudo dd won't work.
[03:12] <coreymon77> tim: no real need for wine on a old single core when i now have vmware fusion on a dual core to do it with
[03:12] <coreymon77> ScorpKing: and why would you do that
[03:12] <kalorin_> vmware fusion?
[03:12] <nosrednaekim> !info gyachi
[03:12] <uga> ScorpKing: heh, I was thinking you were doing the whole of it in one go. I was wondering if there was /dev/nfsa ;)
[03:12] <ubotu> Package gyachi does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[03:12] <Minnozz> g2g guys, cya
[03:12] <coreymon77> kalorin_: vmware's special mac program
[03:12] <ardchoille> !info gyachi gutsy
[03:12] <ubotu> Package gyachi does not exist in gutsy
[03:13] <ScorpKing> uga: i think i asked you about it yesterday.
[03:13] <Minataku> Back
[03:13] <coreymon77> kalorin_: meaning its made to compete with parallels
[03:13] <uga> ScorpKing: yes, about permissions
[03:13] <|neon|> umm thx
[03:13] <uga> not allowing root
[03:13] <tim> why was able to run in in Open gl in Pclinux os But not in Kubuntu?
[03:13] <Philistine_> Minataku so how am i supposed to learn if i'm not allowed to use the bots, or ask ignorant questions?
[03:13] <enjoi1216> whats going on uga
[03:13] <ScorpKing> coreymon77: i had to clone a laptop hd to a nfs server and back to a bigger one without reinstalling linux.
[03:13] <Minataku> Philistine_: Wasting everyone's time and abusing the channel assistance bot isn't learning. It's trolling.
[03:14] <ScorpKing> uga: well, what i did solved the problem. :D
[03:14] <coreymon77> ScorpKing: why have root not be able to write to it though
[03:14] <Minataku> These things are, for obvious reasons, not allowed.
[03:14] <kalorin_> Philistine_: you could go abuse google
[03:14] <kalorin_> that's a good place to start
[03:14] <uga> ScorpKing: yeah, I understood. You just got me very confused at first ;))
[03:14] <Philistine_> what you call wasting time on stupid quesitons i call me being where you were years ago
[03:14] <tim> I finished loading GNOME
[03:14] <Philistine_> google uses terms i dont understand
[03:14] <ScorpKing> coreymon77: root can't write to a nfs filesystem for security reasons.
[03:14] <Minataku> This is where you get a dictionary
[03:15] <Philistine_> a dictionary only helps if you speak the language
[03:15] <uga> Minataku: dictionary? what's that =)
[03:15] <Minataku> Or use Google to look up said terms as well
[03:15] <ardchoille> Philistine_: Type this in your irc client:  /msg ubotu !<factoid_here>
[03:15] <ScorpKing> uga: lol. what you told me yeaterday helped me a lot. i had that problem for some time. thanks for the info. :D
[03:15] <Minataku> Beginner-level questions are fine
[03:15] <Minataku> Stupid, pointless, meaningless questions intended purely to waste time and resources are not
[03:16] <Minataku> Neither is giving other people completely retarded answers to their serious questions
[03:16] <uga> ScorpKing: uhm... np. But I wonder how I helped ;)
[03:16] <ScorpKing> uga: i didn't know root can't write to nfs. after that i knew i had to find a way to get user to dd. :)
[03:17] <Philistine_> whatever man, i'm trying to learn here, i'm asking questions. if you think they're stupid then i guess you're just that much better at this than i am
[03:19] <ardchoille> Is there an app that will allow me to put a window off the side off the screen and have it slide into the desktop when the cursor reaches that edge?
[03:19] <ScorpKing> ardchoille: when you find one i need it. :)
[03:20] <enjoi1216> uga are you too good to talk to me
[03:20] <ardchoille> ScorpKing: That would rock
[03:20] <JimmyDee> like a drawer ard
[03:20] <JimmyDee> ?
[03:20] <DaSkreech> ardchoille: yakuake :)
[03:20] <DaSkreech> ardchoille: or trying to keep Wow addiction quiet at work?
[03:20] <ardchoille> JimmyDee: Yes, but I would like to be able to do it with any window (file manager, web browser, etc)
[03:21] <ScorpKing> ardchoille: i know. i connect my laptop to the tv to watch movies but the menu bar shows and i cant move it out the way. that suck
[03:21] <JimmyDee> enlightenment does something similar
[03:21] <enjoi1216> JimmyDee do i know you from somewhere
[03:21] <ardchoille> JimmyDee: Id' like to stick with kde tho
[03:21] <JimmyDee> E-kde
[03:21] <uga> ardchoille: heh, I am supposed to select a package to report the bug on... sudo?
[03:21] <JimmyDee> enjoi never know
[03:22] <uga> I think it concernts more the gui than anything else, but...
[03:22] <ardchoille> uga: That's what I would think
[03:22] <enjoi1216> well i think all and all ardchoille that KDE so far i mean even as far back as 6.0 has been and excellent program
[03:22] <ardchoille> enjoi1216: True
[03:22] <uga> ardchoille: would you mark "this bug is a security vulnerability"? :P
[03:23] <JimmyDee> ardchoille: I think if you install enlightenment it creates an E-KDE session
[03:23] <uga> I think it's on the edge of being one, but it's not
[03:23] <ardchoille> uga: Hmm.. don't know.. maybe
[03:23] <Minataku> That's really strange
[03:23] <ardchoille> JimmyDee: Not sure Baghira would work in that
[03:23] <Minataku> It's nice and fast booting off the CD, but off the HDD, it's 1/2 slower
[03:23] <enjoi1216> well ardchoille
[03:23] <enjoi1216> but see heres the thing that you have to look at
[03:24] <enjoi1216> i remember reading an article in a magazine a long time ago and it said in there and see this when Windows 98 was big back when i was growing up
[03:24] <ardchoille> enjoi1216: Well, I thought that if yakuake can do it, then another app could too
[03:25] <DaSkreech> ardchoille: Yeah sure but that's kinda different from everything doing it
[03:25] <JimmyDee> enjoi1216: back when I was growing up we had Pong
[03:25] <enjoi1216> that a lot of regular users were coming off of home software and going to desktop operating systems due to the ease of use
[03:25] <ardchoille> DaSkreech: True, just thought that maybe there was a devilspie for kde
[03:27] <enjoi1216> and even now i mean i don't care almost what it is as a rule of thumb ardchoille even now you can almost bank that your desktop operating system a majority of times is giong to be easier to use unless it's like advanced server operating system that you need to step your skills up so that you can learn how to use it.
[03:27] <ardchoille> Yeah
[03:28] <swanfl> where do I get help with kde4?
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> swanfl: #kde
[03:28] <enjoi1216> i don't know desktop operating systems are easier to use because most usually you just set a few different things and then boom! you're done as opposed to a home operating system you have to go in and tweek this that this that this and that .
[03:29] <enjoi1216> because i mean really ardchoille there is no sense in that crap
[03:29] <ardchoille> enjoi1216: Opinions vary
[03:29] <niyado> im having a problem whit adding programs
[03:29] <webulator70> hey ardchoille, i got it working finally
[03:30] <niyado> in the add remove programas
[03:30] <ardchoille> webulator70: You got the irq problem solved too?
[03:30] <niyado> mmm i dont know
[03:30] <JimmyDee> niyado: what does it say when you try?
[03:30] <niyado> im going to tell the msg that appears
[03:30] <webulator70> i spent a while searching for a bios update, just did that, formatted and then i could install the drivers 100% np with the resitricted driver app
[03:30] <wers> Do you know what the GUI of OpenSync for Kubuntu Gutsy is?
[03:30] <ardchoille> webulator70: Good job!
[03:31] <webulator70> yeah, im ecstatic
[03:31] <JimmyDee> webulator is gonna get wobbly windows?
[03:31] <enjoi1216> yeah ardchoille heres the thing you have to look at is how many of the users and people that play around with software i mean i don't care if it's Win XP or what it is a lot of time that varies on the users experience and how much exposure to an operating system that he or she has had
[03:31] <webulator70> oh yes i am, for the 1st time since before it was called beryl
[03:31] <niyado> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see4 if it helps to resolve the problem
[03:32] <enjoi1216> like how much exposure that he or she has had to different operating systems
[03:32] <webulator70> is compiz fusion just an addon to compiz because all i see in the repos here are compiz fusion extras and compiz fusion plugins
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> !adeptfix
[03:32] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[03:32] <JimmyDee> niyado: I would "Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem"
[03:32] <enjoi1216> because i have always foung that the more exposure that you get the more open minded that it makes you.
[03:33] <enjoi1216> foung=found
[03:33] <niyado> yes but i dont know what to do
[03:34] <niyado> i think that i crash that by my self doing this
[03:34] <JimmyDee> compiz fusion is beryl/compiz combined
[03:34] <webulator70> i know but in the repos all is see are 2 fusion listings
[03:35] <niyado> Installing From Git
[03:35] <webulator70> is that all there is or am i missing something?
[03:35] <JimmyDee> did you add the new repos?
[03:35] <niyado> i put all this stuff in the repositories
[03:35] <webulator70> i added 1 repo
[03:35] <niyado> and that is an error tryin to put compiz fusion in my kubuntu
[03:35] <webulator70> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/amaranth/ubuntu feisty main
[03:35] <niyado> repos like this git://git.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/app/compiz
[03:35] <JimmyDee> ok that one should do it, did you update
[03:35] <DaSkreech> webulator70: did You ask in #ubuntu-effects
[03:35] <Minataku> Hooray for Naru, my newly-named Digital Equipment Corporation Personal DECstation 5000/33
[03:36] <webulator70> oh, no i didnt sorry
[03:36] <JimmyDee> der deee der in the vernacular
[03:36] <webulator70> no errors just wanted to make sure before i installed it but its ok, ill just install it
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> Minataku: and how oldis that thing?
[03:36] <Minataku> Not sure
[03:36] <niyado> hey people. i can put compiz fusion in kubuntu?? i think that i have only compiz
[03:36] <JimmyDee> god's -parents computed on it
[03:36] <wers> I can't see opensync in the members for syncing in kitchensync.. any ideas on how to add opensync?
[03:36] <Minataku> It's got a MIPS R3000 + R3010 @ 33MHz
[03:37] <Minataku> It's pre-Alpha but post-VAX
[03:37] <JimmyDee> it runs at ludicris'ly slow speed
[03:37] <Vaxter> niyado, u don't have compiz fusion in repository
[03:37] <Minataku> Actually, it's not that slow
[03:37] <DaSkreech> niyado: Yes you can please ask about it in #ubuntu-effects
[03:37] <tomaz> help, i'm using kubuntu 7.10 beta , and strigidaemon is taking 100% cpu all the time,
[03:37] <Vaxter> try adding some debian sources
[03:37] <Minataku> NetBSD is a bit pokey on it for some reason
[03:37] <tomaz> everytime i need to kill it, but it starts again after the reboot
[03:37] <niyado> hey people. i can put compiz fusion in kubuntu?? i think that i have only compiz
[03:37] <tomaz> the strigi database is about 1gb
[03:38] <JimmyDee> its a 33mhz box Minataku, a bit pokey came standard on that model
[03:38] <DaSkreech> tomaz: can you ask in #ubuntu+1
[03:38] <tomaz> hm... thanks
[03:38] <Minataku> JimmyDee: Please cease harassing me and my hardware
[03:38] <Minataku> I will not accept such
[03:38] <Vaxter> niyado, it's possible to install compiz fusion
[03:38] <Minataku> jimmacdonald: Okay?
[03:38] <JimmyDee> I'm not harrassing, I'm telling the truth
[03:38] <Minataku> Er... JimmyDee
[03:39] <Minataku> Sorry, jimmacdonald
[03:39] <Minataku> JimmyDee: Seriously. Cease it.
[03:39] <JimmyDee> that box came with a sticker that said "waiting inside"
[03:39] <Minataku> !ops
[03:39] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> call me dmb, but how do you set your home page in konqueror?
[03:39] <gnomefreak> ?
[03:39] <stdin> Minataku: ?
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> niyado: yes you can put compiz fusion on it.
[03:39] <gnomefreak> stdin: you got it?
[03:39] <Minataku> gnomefreak: Could you tell JimmyDee to not make fun of my and my hardware?
[03:39] <JimmyDee> grats on your conquest Minataku
[03:40] <stdin> gnomefreak: sure
[03:40] <gnomefreak> ty
[03:40] <Minataku> As a collector I don't appreciate such harassment
[03:40] <nalioth> JimmyDee: let's stay on topic, please
[03:40] <stdin> Minataku: the ops call is for emergencies only, please don't abuse it
[03:41] <Minataku> stdin: Considering I was about to attack, I feel it was warranted. I felt that I should take the official route instead,
[03:41] <Jucato> about to attack?
[03:41] <Philistine_> :D
[03:41] <ardchoille> nosrednaekim: The only thing I could find was to open the homepage and then click on Setting > Save View Profile "web browsing". it works.
[03:42] <Minataku> Jucato: My usual bout of swearing and namecalling
[03:42] <Minataku> lol
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> ah... ok
[03:42] <stdin> Minataku: understandable, but there is always /ignore
[03:45] <uga> ardchoille: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesudo/+bug/146562 reported. Shame the bugzilla doesn't allow fixing comments
[03:45] <uga> I should have written "password timeout" but I missed the timeout part ;)
[03:46] <Philistine_> what's to stop kubuntu from becoming as unstable and massive as windows?
[03:47] <ScorpKing> nite guys!
[03:47] <uga> Philistine_: please, will you just use it or leave it, instead of commenting on the history and possible futures of linux/kubuntu/whatever?
[03:47] <uga> what will be will be
[03:47] <ardchoille> uga: My kdesu doesn't cache passwords.. it asks everytime. It's the sudo in a term that caches passwords.
[03:47] <ghozala> i was installing my printer by konsole and i found this Install Software Development (gcc) package
[03:47] <webulator70> for one thing its open source so if it gets bad enough some one will make a lighter alternative
[03:47] <ghozala> what can i do
[03:47] <Jucato> ardchoille: fixed in gutsy
[03:47] <Thug-life> !uptime
[03:47] <Philistine_> uga i'm asking questions about the os, i didn't know there were conditions about the tense
[03:47] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uptime - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:47] <ardchoille> Jucato: What's fixed?
[03:47] <uga> ardchoille: I'm running kdesu without password for the last 10 minutes
[03:48] <Jucato> ardchoille: that kdesu thing
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> Thug-life: prgram for that is called "uprecords"
[03:48] <DaSkreech> -+
[03:48] <uga> Jucato: I'm running gutsy
[03:48] <ardchoille> uga: Then I think you changed it somehow, my kdesu doesn't cache passwords and that's the way I like it.
[03:48] <stdin> Philistine_: #kubuntu-offtopic #ubuntu-offtopic an ##linux are more appropriate places to ask
[03:48] <ardchoille> uga: Oh, ok, you're on gutsy.
[03:48] <Jucato> ardchoille: again. fixed in gutsy  :)
[03:48] <Thug-life> nosrednaekim, nah i was checking my own :P it notice's it me
[03:48] <uga> Jucato: so it's a gutsy thing only?
[03:49] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I was going to dist-upgrade today. Might hold off
[03:49] <ardchoille> Jucato: How does one return to "don't cache passwords for kdesu"?
[03:49] <Jucato> yep
[03:49] <uga> Jucato: should I add a comment maybe ... I didn't see any place mentioning version
[03:49] <uga> when reporting
[03:49] <ghozala> i was installing my printer by konsole and i found this Install Software Development (gcc) package what can i do
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> ghozala: "sudo apt-get install build-essential"
[03:50] <Jucato> ardchoille: you have to turn it of for sudo itself
[03:50] <Jucato> uga: what do you mean? why report it?
[03:50] <ardchoille> Jucato: That is what I was thinking.. I feel the need for a gui to allow that as some folks might be hesitant to modify the sudoers file
[03:50] <uga> Jucato: because it's a security problem
[03:50] <Jucato> uga: why?
[03:50] <uga> Jucato: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdesudo/+bug/146562
[03:51] <uga> I think I described it there rather well
[03:51] <ghozala> thanks nosrednaekim ur the best
[03:51] <uga> unlike terminal mode, where you close and no more you can root access passwordless, on teh gui...
[03:51] <Jucato> people are funny.. when kdeus acted like su and didn't save passwords, it was complained as a bug.. now that kdesudo is there that does it, it's still being complained as a bug
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> ghozala: nah.... just done that way too many times :)
[03:52] <uga> Jucato: different point of views. People don't like passwords, but people love security
[03:52] <uga> Jucato: I can't accept that my desktop is open for any script willing to access it for a whole 15 minutes
[03:52] <Jucato> and when you say people I presume you represent all users, correct?
[03:52] <uga> and the only way to avoid it is logging out, or setting lower timeout
[03:52] <uga> Jucato: reread...
[03:53] <stdin> uga: you can lock your session
[03:53] <uga> Jucato: I said, people don't like passwords and thus they don't want being asked for passwords
[03:53] <uga> but then all of them also want their boxes secure
[03:53] <uga> Jucato: if that doesn't cover you, me and everyone in thsi channel, then something is wrong
[03:54] <Jucato> then reduce the timeout for sudo?
[03:54] <ardchoille> Jucato: I feel that neither sudo nor kdesu should cache passwords at all and it would be nice if there were a tutorial on that or a gui that allows beginners to easily turn off password caching
[03:54] <uga> now _my_ opinion is that 15 minutes of a completely open desktop is too long
[03:54] <coreymon77> that is true
[03:54] <mneptok> uga: it's not completely open
[03:54] <coreymon77> sudo does last for a long time
[03:54] <Jucato> ardchoille: tell that to *the* sudo developers
[03:54] <mneptok> uga: it still requires someone to have access to your account
[03:54] <uga> Jucato: as I said before in this channel, I took care of my box. But I find most users don't know about these issues
[03:54] <Jucato> ardchoille: it's a feature that they put in sudo
[03:54] <Minataku> There is
[03:55] <Minataku> It's in /etc/sudoers
[03:55] <stdin> when you step away, lock your session. problem solved :)
[03:55] <uga> mneptok: then the security is same as running the gui as root
[03:55] <uga> mneptok: isn't that especially what you all hate?
[03:55] <ardchoille> Minataku: How many newbies will be comfortable editing sudoers without messing it up? I feel a gui would help with that.
[03:56] <mneptok> uga: no, it order for someone to expoit the cache, they need to have your login credentials. if they have those, they could use sudo at any time anyway.
[03:56] <Minataku> Perhaps
[03:56] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille: include modifyig sudo permissions for other uses..
[03:56] <nosrednaekim> *users
[03:56] <uga> stdin: that's letting the user do the security
[03:56] <uga> stdin: it's never been the way in linux ;)
[03:56] <ardchoille> Seems it would be trivial to write a small gui that allows newbies to turn off password caching in sudoers
[03:56] <coreymon77> ardchoille: how many newbies would be comfortable messing with something like sudo settings in the first place
[03:56] <DaSkreech> Sudo works ona per application basis right?
[03:56] <coreymon77> ardchoille: most are still getting used to the concept of root
[03:56] <ardchoille> coreymon77: Good point.. all the more reason for a gui.
[03:57] <stdin> uga: if the limit is set too low, people complain. too high, people complain. no timeout, people complain
[03:57] <ardchoille> DaSkreech: No, sudo caches passwords for 15 minutes by default for any app
[03:57] <DaSkreech> ardchoille: I know what it does. I'm asking what it is capable of doing
[03:57] <ardchoille> stdin: I feel that is more reason to have a gui that can easily take care of individual users needs.
[03:57] <uga> stdin: my best suggestion would be forcing kdesu to show a message: "this program is about to be run in root mode!"
[03:58] <uga> at least let the user know
[03:58] <ardchoille> uga: Hmm.. I think that would get annoying real quick
[03:58] <mneptok> uga: is there a time that kdesu would *not* run in root mode?
[03:58] <uga> any script he could be running...
[03:58] <stdin> uga: that's a possibility, but I bet people still complain :p
[03:58] <uga> ardchoille: maybe
[03:58] <coreymon77> ardchoille: gui or not, i dont think many newbies would be comfortable playing around with sudo and root config files
[03:58] <uga> stdin: ardchoille: actually that reminds me of Vista's warning messages... very annoying actually
[03:59] <coreymon77> true
[03:59] <ardchoille> coreymon77: But, you have to admit, having a small gui takes some of the "worry" out of changing a config
[03:59] <claydoh> w00t its been a while since I last say a su/sudo/root discussion :)
[03:59] <intelikey> expert = drip = spert that the pressure has been releaved from
[03:59] <uga> Jucato: it's not about experts or not experts. It's about keeping the user safe while keeping them happy
[03:59] <stdin> uga: yeah, but at least this one wouldn't halt the entire system to ask you
[03:59] <uga> Jucato: hard to do both at the same time =(
[03:59] <mneptok> uga: if you want blatantly obvious advisories like "the app used to acquire root privileges requires root privileges" then how about "Firefx is about to access the Internet. Bad people ahead."
[03:59] <intelikey> spert = drip under pressure.
[03:59] <Jucato> uga: I mean I'm staying out of it coz I don't know about it
[03:59] <coreymon77> why would you use kdesu if it wasnt for root privs
[04:00] <coreymon77> wbat other use does it have
[04:00] <uga> Jucato: uh, just give a try to your apps. Run adept as root once, adn then any script I send you through e-mail, can run kdesu, without asking your for aa password
[04:00] <mneptok> uga: i can *guarantee* that "ZOMG REWT 4 SUDO!!1!!" warnings will result in tremendous user frustration
[04:00] <Jucato> uga: I know how it works. I just don't know about security issues you raise
[04:00] <uga> mneptok: =)
[04:00] <DaSkreech> I keep thinking about aging GUI user warnings
[04:01] <DaSkreech> that naturally get quieter as time goes on
[04:01] <intelikey> oh.   uga is ranting about the  "root jr."  approach to security.
[04:01] <uga> Jucato: I could send you a .desktop file over the net that could kdesudo rm -rf /
[04:01] <uga> Jucato: it's just an example
[04:01] <mneptok> uga: and it wouldn't work
[04:01] <coreymon77> whats root jr
[04:01] <uga> mneptok: why not?
[04:01] <coreymon77> ?
[04:01] <Jucato> coreymon77: sudo
[04:01] <DaSkreech> uga: How would you ensure that he ran kdesudo legitmately right before it?
[04:01] <mneptok> because the command is "kdesu" ;)
[04:01] <ardchoille> It's simple. Have a small gui window that allows the user to set the sudo/kdesu password cache timeout to their needs. I could set mine to 0 (no cache) and my gf could set hers to 10 minutes. She refuses to edit sudoers in a text editor out of fear.
[04:01] <Jucato> mneptok: it's both, in gutsy
[04:02] <intelikey> coreymon77 the initial user account of any *buntu box. == root jr.
[04:02] <uga> DaSkreech: what do you mean... knowing it's the same user running it again?
[04:02] <coreymon77> this is reminding me of that mac commercial about vista
[04:02] <coreymon77> mac is issuing a salutation cancel or allow, you are returning macs salutation cancel or allow...
[04:03] <coreymon77> we'd be no better than vista
[04:03] <coreymon77> **hackcoughhackcough**
[04:03] <uga> intelikey: root jr? =) ranting? =). I'm just saying the default is a bit tooooo open for any intruder touching my desktop
[04:03] <uga> intelikey: if people think otherwise, I'm fine. I fixed my box before
[04:03] <stdin> uga: intruder on the desktop? then lock the session :)
[04:04] <intelikey> uga like i said,   i'm teaming up with uga on this one.    been there, done that.
[04:04] <uga> stdin: you trust users (even uga) to lock their sessions each time? =)
[04:04] <stdin> uga: may be "leaving the security to use user", but it *is* up to the user to secure their system
[04:04] <uga> heh
[04:04] <coreymon77> even if there was a simple gui to change things
[04:04] <uga> I'd suggest letting the user making the box unsafe, but default to closed
[04:04] <stdin> if they want to set sudo to use no passwords, should we stop that?
[04:05] <ardchoille> How do I change the password cache timeout for sudo? Edit sudoers? What if I make a mistake? Then I can't even "sudo rm /etc/sudoers && cp /etc/sudoers.bak /etc/sudoers". This is why a simple gui would help IMHO.
[04:05] <intelikey> stdin not at all
[04:05] <coreymon77> how many people do you think would go through the bother of doing it
[04:05] <stdin> ardchoille: there is visudo
[04:05] <uga> stdin: but no password isn't the default. The 15 minutes kdesu timeout is
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille: then go out and write it !
[04:05] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[04:05] <DaSkreech> uga: Yeah
[04:05] <ardchoille> nosrednaekim: You seem to forget that I suck at coding, lol
[04:05] <intelikey> stdin but setting up sudo as a root jr. and calling it "more secure than having a root password" is ludicrise
[04:06] <coreymon77> stdin: visudo?
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> ardchoille: I never knew.
[04:06] <stdin> uga: still, if the timeout was one minute and someone ran a command as root, then you stepped away, that's a security problem
[04:06] <uga> DaSkreech: I don't think you can, unless you setup a fingerprint reader or so,or you force the user to authenticate with passwd each time
[04:06] <uga> stdin: it is
[04:06] <uga> just chances are lower, but it's still an issue
[04:06] <stdin> coreymon77: visudo is a tool to edit the sudoers file with error checking
[04:06] <uga> my timeout is 0 ;)
[04:06] <coreymon77> uga: how far would you go with this
[04:07] <coreymon77> uga: you could go on forever wiht this
[04:07] <stdin> uga: that's why I say it is up to the user to secure their own system
[04:07] <coreymon77> uga: thats what vista did
[04:07] <uga> coreymon77: I saw it...
[04:07] <coreymon77> uga: and do you like what vista has done?
[04:07] <uga> coreymon77: I prefer being annoyed with passwords each time. Vista's isn't only about passwords
[04:07] <intelikey> coreymon77 you could go all the way to mounting your system nosuid  and thereby solving the whole security issue....
[04:07] <uga> it warns you each time a program wants to do something
[04:08] <BluesKaj> just watched an relatively old documentary (2002) about Richard Stallman and Linus Torvalds in the early yrs of the open source and free software movement
[04:08] <intelikey> assuming you don't then make a security hole some place else....
[04:08] <DaSkreech> uga: Huh? You said you could mail someone a .desktop with a kdesudo command how could you ensure they had run a kdesudo command right before?
[04:08] <coreymon77> intelikey: but tha is extremely annoying, irritating and a pain in the neck
[04:09] <uga> DaSkreech: ah nono. I said that if you keep doing system administration on teh gui, and at some point an intruder sent spam over e-mail with a nice .desktop file....
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: youtube?
[04:09] <mneptok> uga: feel free to set a prohibitive AppArmor policy
[04:09] <uga> DaSkreech: the guy could take over the boxes of all those doing gui sysadmin
[04:09] <uga> easily
[04:09] <mneptok> uga: deny +x on the /home partition except for dirs
[04:09] <uga> mneptok: read about it somewhere, but no idea what apparmor is
[04:09] <ardchoille> uga: That is why you never allow file attachments from strangers
[04:10] <coreymon77> computers, no matter what, will always have some sort of vulnerability
[04:10] <DaSkreech> uga: If a admin doing Gui admin is running programs sent to him over e-mail I could just as easily setup a repo that would do much worse
[04:10] <coreymon77> you have to live with that
[04:10] <coreymon77> if you dont, you could drive yourself crazy
[04:10] <mneptok> uga: i suggest you acquaint yourself before Gutsy drops :)
[04:10] <uga> ardchoille: and non-strangers... e-mails are easy to fake
[04:10] <DaSkreech> !apparmor
[04:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apparmor - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:10] <DaSkreech> !apparmour
[04:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apparmour - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:10] <mneptok> !infa apparmor
[04:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about infa apparmor - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:10] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, no the documentary channel on a satellite network here , the name of it is called "revolution"
[04:10] <ardchoille> uga: Well, I don't allow file attachments atll and my friends know that
[04:10] <mneptok> !info apparmor
[04:10] <ubotu> apparmor: User-space parser utility for AppArmor. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.0.1+510.dfsg-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 344 kB, installed size 1632 kB
[04:10] <stdin> in any case, this discussion is getting too off topic for a support channel.  please take it to #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: interesting.
[04:11] <uga> anyway, my intention wasn't creating flamewars. Each will think what they do, and maintainers will think about it too, I hope
[04:11] <uga> my box is fixed. I'm not worried about this issue. Possibly others ;)
[04:11] <mneptok> uga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppArmor
[04:11] <uga> mneptok: cheers
[04:11] <mneptok> np np
[04:11] <BluesKaj> it may be on a torrent site somewhere , nosrednaekim ...gonna check
[04:12] <ardchoille> stdin: How do I stop password caching for sudo? Which file, what do I add/remove, what is the exact syntax and where in the file do I put it?
[04:12] <intelikey> lol
[04:12] <mneptok> uga: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppArmor
[04:12] <intelikey> ardchoille that's a pretty specific quarry
[04:12] <stdin> ardchoille: I don't know, look in man sudoers :)
[04:12] <ardchoille> If I screw up sudoers, then I can't sudo in to fix it
[04:13] <stdin> ardchoille: I lock my session when I'm not on it, even when only moving away for a couple mins
[04:13] <ardchoille> This is why I was thinking a gui would make it much easier
[04:13] <mneptok> ardchoille: Bad Idea
[04:13] <intelikey> ardchoille simple solution.   open a konsole   run sudo -i   then visudo from there  but test from elswhere
[04:13] <stdin> ardchoille: use visudo, you can't mess it up then
[04:13] <ardchoille> stdin: Oh, ok, never used visudo
[04:14] <intelikey> ardchoille then until you exit the root shell you don't need sudo to fix sudo...
[04:14] <ardchoille> intelikey: Good idea
[04:14] <mneptok> ardchoille: advocating making obtuse and complex Unix security functionality "easy for the average user" is like advocating the need for simpler controls for the Airbus 380, so anyone can operate one.
[04:14] <intelikey> stdin can't mess it up ?   actually you can lock your self out pretty easily.
[04:14] <stdin> intelikey: yeah, but the syntax will be correct :p
[04:15] <mneptok> IOW, if you don't know what you're doing in the shell, you prolly shouldn't be doing this.
[04:15] <ardchoille> mneptok: All the more reason for a gui to help get it done
[04:15] <intelikey> stdin yeah like    delete the  % on the line that says  %admin   and   bang your out.  but sudo works perfectly
[04:15] <mneptok> ardchoille: did you read what i just said?
[04:16] <intelikey> you just can't use it anymore...
[04:16] <mneptok> ardchoille: would you go to a brain surgeon that needed someone to tattoo "CUT HERE" on your scalp?
[04:16] <intelikey> heh  my sudoers file would scare most of you.   one line      ALL ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL
[04:17] <ardchoille> mneptok: Not talking about brain surgery.. my gf won't use visudo because she is scared of locking herself out. But, she said she would use a gui if it existed. You have to remember that you are a guru compared to her skills :)
[04:17] <uga> intelikey: LOL
[04:17] <intelikey> and only root can sudo
[04:17] <stdin> I'll say it again now, if you want to continue the discussion, please take it to #kubuntu-offtopic   consider this an "End Of Discussion" mark
[04:17] <uga> intelikey: hehe
[04:17] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, i found it on btjunkie
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: not enough bandwidth
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> sorry
[04:18] <BluesKaj> bummer
[04:18] <mneptok> ardchoille: if your girlfriend is afraid of visudo she is NOT the type of user that should be definig custom security rulesets
[04:18] <BluesKaj> dialup, nosrednaekim ?
[04:19] <nosrednaekim> 26K of slowness
[04:19] <BluesKaj> ok :(
[04:19] <intelikey> mneptok correct.   and that means that on avarage,  3 out of 5  ubuntu users  should not admin their own box.
[04:19] <JimmyDee> and your point?
[04:19] <mneptok> intelikey: i agree. they shourd purchase commercial support from Ubuntu professionals
[04:19] <mneptok> *should
[04:20] <JimmyDee> major sucking up
[04:20] <intelikey> lol
[04:20] <ardchoille> lol
[04:20] <JimmyDee> ardchoille: if you have a girlfriend that thought of using visudo. does she have a sister?
[04:20] <ardchoille> lol
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> haha
[04:22] <mneptok> intelikey: me, for one ;)
[04:22] <mneptok> and all my colleagues
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[04:22] <mneptok> or ... so we claim
[04:22] <JimmyDee> do you get paid to do it?
[04:22] <JimmyDee> then you are a professional
[04:23] <evildrdan> i have a quick question about hotkeys
[04:23] <Jucato> JimmyDee: yes he does
[04:23] <evildrdan> i accidentally unmapped my mute key, where can i fix that?
[04:23] <Jucato> anyway, incoming user support question. offtopic out -->
[04:24] <ardchoille> ok, I have visudo running and it looks lke it has opened the sudoers file in the nano editor. What do I do to stop password caching?
[04:24] <intelikey> JimmyDee is that the test for that deff?    cause i've been paid to do things on the amiture level, not at all a professional in those fields....
[04:24] <nosrednaekim> evildrdan: its in the keyboard set up in system settings
[04:25] <evildrdan> nosrednaekim: that was the first place i looked, but there was nothing about volume control, and going through the mixer doesn't work either
[04:25] <nosrednaekim> oh... mute..
[04:25] <nosrednaekim> evildrdan: why doesn't it work?there is a setting for it there.
[04:25] <Jucato> evildrdan: click on the speaker icon in your system tray, then in the KMix window go to Settings -> Configure Global Shortcuts
[04:26] <mneptok> evildrdan: it's in the keymap settings
[04:26] <evildrdan> toggle mute is mapped to xf86audiomute
[04:26] <evildrdan> but pressing the key does nothing
[04:26] <mneptok> System > Prefs > Keyboard shortcuts
[04:26] <Jucato> mneptok: er.. that's GNOME :P
[04:27] <mneptok> oh, sorry. forgot to check the channel name.
[04:27] <Jucato> hahah :)
[04:27] <Jucato> evildrdan: you tried in kmix?
[04:27] <mneptok> evildrdan: map it to 0xa0
[04:27] <evildrdan> yes Jucato that's what i was referring to when i said "toggle mute"
[04:28] <Jucato> hm...
[04:28] <intelikey> anyone know a way to recover recently deleted files ?
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: deleted how?
[04:28] <intelikey> when i saw what i did i remounted ro  to stop disk writes.
[04:29] <intelikey> nosrednaekim wrong key in mc  reached for f6 hit f8
[04:29] <intelikey> moved to /dev/null rather than the intended destination
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> intelikey: does mc put things to trash?
[04:29] <intelikey> nope
[04:29] <ardchoille> intelikey: ouch!
[04:29] <DaSkreech>  /dev/null is pretty much gone
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> oh.... fugettaboutit
[04:29] <DaSkreech> intelikey: What FS?
[04:30] <intelikey> ext2
[04:30] <intelikey> or 3   i'll have to check
[04:30] <nosrednaekim> double ouch.
[04:30] <intelikey> ext2
[04:30] <wers> is it safe if I add opensync's repo for feisty to my gutsy?
[04:30] <nosrednaekim> wers: what is opensync?
[04:31] <DaSkreech> Ok You can recover from ext2
[04:31] <DaSkreech> ext3 it's gone
[04:31] <nosrednaekim> wers: if its not anything kernel related, probably.
[04:31] <BluesKaj> got a fix for ppl who want to defeat the caps-lock on their KBs , i found it while reconfiguring xorg.config: under the Section "Input Device" , Generic Keyboard , at the bottom of the options list copy and paste this line : Option		"XkbOptions"	"ctrl:nocaps"
[04:31] <ardchoille> wers: I don't think it's safe to mix repos like that, no.. but that's just what I have been told.
[04:31] <intelikey> wers general rule of thumb.    no    don't mix versions.
[04:31] <wers> apps for syncing
[04:31] <wers> okay
[04:31] <Vaxter> http://www.opensync.org/
[04:31] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: sweet....not like i'd ever want that.
[04:31] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[04:32] <evildrdan> Jucato: do you have any clue what program it is that pops up that progress bar when you change the volume?
[04:32] <Jucato> KMilo. but it isn't a "real" program. it's a KDE service
[04:32] <evildrdan> hmm
[04:32] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, the line should actually read :  Option "Xkb Options "ctrl:nocaps"
[04:33] <BluesKaj> well nosrednaekim with my phat phingers I need it :)
[04:33] <nosrednaekim> hehe
[04:36] <nosrednaekim> bye everyone! its getting late here!
[04:36] <_2> oh i'm back.
[04:36] <mneptok> oh, happy day
[04:36] <_2> so was there an easy to grab the deleted files from ext2 ?
[04:37] <_2> licks dm-crypt ????
[04:38] <_2> i don't think i want to know.
[04:40] <_2> why isn't there an "unremove" for ext# fs ?
[04:41] <wers> What if I use debian sid's or debian stable's OpenSync repo on gutsy for a while?
[04:41] <_2> M$ had undelete cause people deleted things then wanted them back.    i removed all 'language*' and would kinda like to have them back.
[04:41] <DaSkreech> _2: There is for ext2 I found one once
[04:41] <wers> I will just install one package then remove the repo again, is that ok?
[04:41] <DaSkreech> _2: That's also cause they have a crap inefficent file system
[04:41] <_2> DaSkreech heh  /
[04:42] <_2> DaSkreech yeah.  but i know the data is still there if i could reattach it to the fs
[04:42] <DaSkreech> not in ext3 it aint :-)
[04:42] <_2> this aint fot a journal tho
[04:42] <_2> got
[04:43] <DaSkreech> Emacs is kinda fat
[04:44] <_2> ugg   can't open another console cause pam can't write in /var
[04:45] <_2> and i just crashed my root console trying to ssh into the same box....
[04:45] <_2> looks like i blew that one.       oh well.
[04:46] <_2> easy come...  easy...
[04:49] <DaSkreech> JohnFlux_: I was gonna ask you something
[04:50] <yintelike> there are limitations to imposing limitations on any computer i guess
[04:50] <yintelike> oh my nickname is still here.
[04:53] <Kr4t05> I'm trying to play Quake 3 on Kubuntu Feisty, and I'm having sound issues.
[04:53] <Kr4t05> The output in Konsole mentions /dev/dsp being busy.
[04:53] <Kr4t05> Is there anyway I can free up /dev/dsp so Quake 3 will give me sound?
[04:53] <stdin> Kr4t05: kill artsd
[04:54] <Kr4t05> stdin: Nah, I got it.
[04:54] <stdin> and kde app that tries to make a noise will lock it again
[04:54] <intelikey> arts uses /dev/dsp ?
[04:55] <stdin> intelikey: no, but having alsa in use will block it
[04:55] <intelikey> oh   ok
[04:55] <intelikey> and switching to oss would do what in that case ?
[04:56] <stdin> lock /dev/dsp directly (until artsd suspends)
[04:57] <intelikey> stdin did i tell you i found the issue with the "ultra-quiet and unadjustable" sound ?
[04:57] <stdin> only one of the systems can be in use, if artsd connected to oss then it would be used to "emulate" alsa by allowing the apps to connect to artsd instead of /dev/dsp
[04:58] <stdin> intelikey: nope
[04:59] <intelikey> this hardware "requires" powered speaker system.   if you use non-powered speakers then alsamixer malfunctions   well alsa malfunctions.
[04:59] <stdin> so it needs an amp :p
[05:00] <intelikey> stdin tested on two different boxes with the same onboard sound   both  have to have powered speakers or you can't adjust some things in alsamixer   "they don't stay where you put them"
[05:00] <stdin> strange
[05:01] <intelikey> the <pcm-*> things  ^      yes strange.   but plug in powered speakers and it automagicly starts working correctly
[05:02] <veddie> howdy all; i having issues with my wireless card accessing my router
[05:02] <intelikey> that is totally non-sensical i know.  but i did retest it on two boxes one with hoary one with dapper   same hardware.
[05:03] <intelikey> !wifi | veddie can the help page help you?   here ;
[05:03] <ubotu> veddie can the help page help you?   here ;: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:03] <veddie> would anyone have an idea why wlassistant can see my router but it wont let me access it... and it was working fine yesterday
[05:03] <veddie> yeah, ive looked through the docs
[05:03] <intelikey> k just checking.
[05:03] <veddie> for sure, i hear ya
[05:06] <webulator70> anyone else have compiz-core stuck in a perpetual update?
[05:08] <JimmyDee> yup
[05:09] <webulator70> ok so its just a bug and not something i did then
[05:09] <JimmyDee> you are correct sir
[05:09] <JimmyDee> unless we did the same thing
[05:09] <webulator70> you know of any work arround at the moment?
[05:10] <intelikey> kill the updater ?
[05:10] <JimmyDee> I've been steady avoiding it
[05:10] <JimmyDee> itll be fixed in Horny Hampster
[05:10] <webulator70> its not stuck like that, its marked for update, when you apply it looks like its updating ok but then its just marked again next time
[05:10] <webulator70> lol
[05:11] <intelikey> remove it ?
[05:11] <webulator70> i did, i purged all of compiz and reinstalled it
[05:11] <JimmyDee> f o r m a __
[05:11] <webulator70> i just formated about 3h ago
[05:11] <JimmyDee> oh thats windows..sorry
[05:11] <webulator70> hahaha yep pretty much
[05:12] <Jucato> webulator70: what did the people in #ubuntu-effects say about the issue?
[05:12] <webulator70> nothing, that chan is silent right now
[05:13] <webulator70> no one appears to be talking
[05:13] <ardchoille> webulator70: Great, you broke irc :(
[05:13] <Jucato> you tried to ask? it's not a high-traffic channel so maybe their just waiting
[05:13] <webulator70> just the effects chan
[05:14] <webulator70> atleast compiz runs now
[05:15] <Jucato> n8k99: thanks! :)
[05:15] <ghfjggfj> how do i remove a program completely?
[05:15] <n8k99> careful there maybe some rice left in that cup
[05:15] <intelikey> and,   he's back !
[05:15] <Jucato> ghfjggfj: what do you mean by "completely"?
[05:15] <ardchoille> ghfjggfj: sudo apt-get remove --purge --auto-remove appname
[05:15] <ardchoille> ghfjggfj: Mind the spaces
[05:15] <Jucato> hm... that --auto-remove thing again...
[05:16] <ghfjggfj> ^^^^^ thats what i meant...thanx ardchoille   been a month since i used linux. just needed to refresh my memory
[05:16] <intelikey> sujests using regex '.*' in that chain  :)))
[05:16] <Jucato> n8k99: all the better. something to chew on :)
[05:17] <ardchoille> intelikey: Teach me what you mean with the '.*'
[05:18] <intelikey> ardchoille sudo apt-get remove '.*'       but when it asks dont type in 'Yes, do as I say!'  :)
[05:18] <ardchoille> lol
[05:19] <ardchoille> Had to think about that for a min
[05:19] <stdin> regex .*  means anything repeated any number of time, like * in bash
[05:19] <intelikey> that's almost as good as   cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda   but better than   sudo rm / -r    cause it leaves too much on the drive.
[05:20] <intelikey> stdin yea   regex .* == shell *
[05:21] <ardchoille> intelikey: Well, "sudo rm -r /" will only go until it removes the rm app and then you get errors, right?
[05:21] <intelikey> ardchoille no.   removing it's self doesnt stop it.   but as soon as it attacks /lib/libc6  it fails
[05:22] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[05:22] <intelikey> s/6/6.*/
[05:24] <intelikey> i have a question,    another  "serious" one.   can you    copy a cdrom to disk, then streach the iso and write it back to dvd    are the formats compatable ?
[05:25] <stdin> you can write standard CD ISO to DVD yes
[05:26] <avt3kk> my best buddys!! :D
[05:26] <stdin> you can even write a (small) DVD image to CD  (UDF filesystem)
[05:26] <intelikey> stdin ok   so if i took the *buntu live cd made an iso of it   added about a gig of things i could burn it to dvd and have a live dvd  right ?
[05:26] <avt3kk> is there a kubuntu that has a safe mode live cd boot and install?
[05:26] <ardchoille> intelikey: I've used k3b to write a knoppix livecd image to a blank dvd when I had no blank cd's
[05:27] <stdin> intelikey: I don't see why not, so yeah
[05:27] <nonewmsgs> on the widgets i try it always says upstream 0kb and downstream 0kb.  what gives?  i am certainly online
[05:27] <ardchoille> intelikey: I think you would need to remaster the livecd
[05:27] <Jucato> avt3kk: what do you mean? the Desktop (Live) CD has a Safe Graphics Mode
[05:27] <intelikey> ardchoille ?
[05:28] <avt3kk> I mean I have ardeon saphire x800 video card and if I install kubuntu it never seems to work because of the video card
[05:28] <avt3kk> radeon
[05:28] <ardchoille> intelikey: to get the new data to launch properly? I thought you wanted to add apps to the livecd
[05:28] <intelikey> avt3kk safe graphics mode ?
[05:28] <avt3kk> yes
[05:28] <avt3kk> I need it to install in safe graphics mode also
[05:28] <intelikey> avt3kk i thought all of them did
[05:28] <stdin> intelikey: uses the vesa driver
[05:28] <Jucato> the Live CD has a safe graphics mode
[05:28] <avt3kk> ubuntu does
[05:28] <stdin> and kubuntu does
[05:28] <Jucato> kubuntu does too
[05:28] <avt3kk> ya live does
[05:29] <avt3kk> but does it install as safe mode
[05:29] <avt3kk> dont think so
[05:29] <Jucato> hmm
[05:29] <intelikey> avt3kk you can install and then copy the working xorg.conf over to the newly installed system
[05:29] <avt3kk> only thing I was able to install as safe mode was
[05:29] <avt3kk> ubuntu dapper drake
[05:29] <avt3kk> well I cant do that..
[05:30] <intelikey> why not ?
[05:30] <avt3kk> dont know how
[05:30] <intelikey> oh
[05:30] <avt3kk> why you hiding? lol
[05:30] <ubuntu> Hello homeslices
[05:30] <ubuntu> Hows everyone
[05:31] <avt3kk> Ubuntu dapper drake installs safe mode :D
[05:31] <avt3kk> I use it now as a dual boot with xdp
[05:31] <MythbuntuGuest27> hello
[05:31] <ubuntu> hello mythbuntu
[05:31] <avt3kk> xp and ubuntu and xp both have images
[05:31] <avt3kk> and disk clone :)
[05:32] <avt3kk> should I find kubuntu dvd iso?
[05:32] <avt3kk> is there a special vwersion thats better then the rest?
[05:32] <avt3kk> version
[05:32] <ubuntu> kubuntu is pretty
[05:32] <Jucato> if you can go through the installation using a text-based installer, you can download the Alternate Install CD
[05:32] <ubuntu> do you want gnome or kde?
[05:32] <Jucato> ubuntu: that's offtopic
[05:33] <avt3kk> I cant do text lol
[05:33] <Jucato> and since this is a #kubuntu channel, the answer is a bit obvious
[05:33] <Jucato> avt3kk: it's not completely text though.
[05:33] <intelikey-hidden> ardchoille sorry for getting side tracked with helping.   yes that is what i was talking about,  adding data to a livecd.  so the live dvd has the additions...    you think i need to "remaster" it ?   i'm still not following you there?
[05:33] <avt3kk> whats the best version of kubuntu dvd maybe
[05:33] <Jucato> I mean, text-based windows and dialog boxes
[05:33] <avt3kk> o
[05:33] <avt3kk> as long as I dont have to use term to set it up im happy
[05:33] <avt3kk> rofl
[05:34] <Jucato> nah, it's a step by step process
[05:34] <avt3kk> kool
[05:34] <MythbuntuGuest27> anyone use the linux mce, mythtv, or mythbuntu?
[05:34] <n8k99> avt3kk: the latest one
[05:34] <avt3kk> so should I get the dvd?
[05:34] <Jucato> !mythbuntu
[05:34] <ubotu> Mythbuntu is an Ubuntu derivative centered upon setting up a standalone MythTV system. See: http://www.mythbuntu.org for more information
[05:34] <Jucato> MythbuntuGuest27:  ^^^
[05:34] <Jucato> don't know if there's a #mythbuntu channel
[05:35] <ubuntu> I use mythbuntu
[05:35] <ardchoille> intelikey-hidden: Yes, to add apps you would need to remaster the live cd.. simply adding apps to the livecd won't allow the system to launch them. Here is a url I found while learning to remaster the ubuntu livecd: http://reconstructor.aperantis.com/
[05:35] <MythbuntuGuest27> there is but no one in it
[05:35] <MythbuntuGuest27> is it good enough to replace my dvr?
[05:35] <intelikey-hidden> ardchoille ok.  you do know that i'm talking about data not   gui apps   don't you ?
[05:36] <Jucato> ardchoille: by now you should know that "intelikey" and "GUI" don't mix
[05:36] <Jucato> so...
[05:36] <intelikey-hidden> although i might add an app or two if that's going to be easy enough.
[05:36] <ardchoille> intelikey-hidden: I may have misunderstood you then. What "data"?
[05:37] <intelikey-hidden> ardchoille it's some things i use.   only about 400m   i could just use a usb key huh...
[05:38] <wers> how do I compress my folders into .zip?
[05:38] <ardchoille> intelikey-hidden: I usually use a usb key with a livecd to save docs and such.
[05:38] <intelikey-hidden> install onto a thumb drive....   that would work, and probably easier.
[05:38] <Jucato> wers: right-click on the Folder -> Compress As ?
[05:38] <intelikey-hidden> ardchoille ok.  ty   i'll examine my options some more before i commit
[05:39] <Jucato> wers: right-click on the Folder -> Compress -> Compress As -> filename.zip
[05:39] <MythbuntuGuest27> ubuntu, do you think mythbuntu... is good enough to replace my hd digital video recorder?
[05:39] <wers> I saw a "compress here" but no compress as
[05:39] <DaSkreech> MythbuntuGuest27: try LinuxMCE
[05:39] <Jucato> wers: oh dolphin lol sorry
[05:39] <Jucato> holdon
[05:40] <ubuntu> Mybuntu: It all depends on what you are going for. I really like it, the hard part is once it's setup and running, to just let it be.
[05:40] <wers> hahaha
[05:40] <wers> okay.. imma use konq instead
[05:40] <intelikey-hidden> wers you can use the command line for that ?   tar -czf outputfile.tgz /path/to/compress
[05:40] <DaSkreech> avt3kk: you can copy the working X config to the install before booting
[05:40] <Jucato> intelikey-hidden: zip
[05:40] <intelikey-hidden> zip -r
[05:40] <ardchoille> man zip ?
[05:41] <intelikey-hidden> yeah that
[05:41] <wers> Jucato, I just used Konqueror.. hehe
[05:41] <Jucato> wers: right-click Actions -> Compress Here
[05:41] <Jucato> in Dolphin
[05:41] <Jucato> er wait
[05:41] <intelikey-hidden> wers and it's a zip archive now ?
[05:41] <Jucato> Dolphin only does .tar.gz hahaha
[05:41] <ardchoille> I wonder why they went from konqueror to dolphin.. seems like a step back to me.
[05:41] <wers> there is now intelikey-hidden
[05:42] <Jucato> intelikey-hidden: if he followed by Konqi instructions... of course :)
[05:42] <intelikey-hidden> :)
[05:42] <wers> I never use konq as a file manager that's why I don't know that
[05:42] <wers> hehe
[05:42] <Jucato> wers: thanks. you just made me realize another thing lacking in D3lphin
[05:42] <Jucato> !nickspam | intelikey
[05:42] <ubotu> intelikey: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[05:42] <Jucato> :P
[05:42] <intelikey> !botabouse | Jucato
[05:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about botabouse - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:43] <ardchoille> !dual_head
[05:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dual_head - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:43] <intelikey> well you get the gest.
[05:43] <avt3kk> Daskreech how do I do that???? :O
[05:43] <Jucato> ardchoille: try "dualhead"
[05:43] <DaSkreech> avt3kk: mount your drive and copy the /etc/X11/xorg.config file
[05:43] <ardchoille> Jucato: Yeah, found that
[05:44] <intelikey> DaSkreech /etc/X11/xorg.conf   no ig on it.
[05:44] <avt3kk> copy to??
[05:44] <intelikey> /target/etc/X11/
[05:45] <avt3kk> what you mean target
[05:45] <intelikey> where /target/ is the mountpoint of the new installation.
[05:45] <avt3kk> I cant paste in a folder I know will install??
[05:45] <avt3kk> target is confusing
[05:45] <intelikey> ubiquity used to use  /target  to install    but it may now use /media/hd<something>  idk
[05:46] <avt3kk> so email the conf to myself first??
[05:46] <intelikey> dapper is as far as i've kept up with the installer
[05:46] <intelikey> avt3kk wouldn't hurt.
[05:48] <avt3kk> 2000 junk emails omfg :O
[05:48] <ardchoille> hehe
[05:48] <avt3kk> whos sending me spam? lol :P
[05:49] <intelikey> errr  ummmm     well    not me.
[05:49] <intelikey> actually i used email for about 5 years,   then just stopped one day.  havent used any email in about a year now.
[05:50] <MythbuntuGuest44> hello
[05:51] <intelikey> MythbuntuGuest44
[05:52] <avt3kk> Intel did you take a 7 step course? :O
[05:52] <intelikey> no i changed isp's
[05:52] <intelikey> :)
[05:53] <avt3kk> alcoholics anonimis? EA email anonomis lol
[05:53] <avt3kk> I send all my tech tutorials to my email like a dumba$$ haha
[05:56] <avt3kk> wow look at thjis girls face; you would think shes going to take over the world hahaha http://kubuntu.org/announcements/breezy-release.php
[05:57] <avt3kk> you see that girl? lol
[05:59] <avt3kk> dvds are only bittorrent? :O that will take a week I have a router and cant open a port on it lol
[06:01] <stdin> avt3kk: dvd isos are on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com
[06:01] <avt3kk> 0928 or current>?
[06:02] <avt3kk> under dvd
[06:02] <stdin> from dapper to gutsy I think
[06:02] <stdin> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/feisty/release/
[06:06] <avt3kk> Stdin your amazing :) ty
[06:07] <avt3kk> I remember pclinuxos that piece of cr@p gave me a headache
[06:08] <avt3kk> I was so pissed; even sabayon linux made me feel like my eyes were going to fall out onto the floor
[06:08] <avt3kk> I hate os that give you a headache
[06:11] <avt3kk> wow have you guys heard of  Xpress Linux 1.0
[06:11] <avt3kk> it comes with wine preinstalled
[06:11] <avt3kk> based on kubuntu
[06:11] <DaSkreech> I'm sure there are quite a few distros that do that
[06:12] <avt3kk> o
[06:12] <avt3kk> im searching my fav forum lol
[06:14] <avt3kk> look at this picture hahaha
[06:14] <avt3kk> http://img230.imageshack.us/my.php?image=redx13ctvh6.gif
[06:16] <s1amson> !ati
[06:16] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:16] <s1amson> !dualhead
[06:16] <ubotu> Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[06:18] <avt3kk> wow this guy realy raves about kubuntu im going to pastebin it all lol
[06:20] <avt3kk> heres the pastbin link guys
[06:20] <avt3kk> http://www.pastebin.org/3687
[06:20] <waltercool> how can i get 2 apps with audio??
[06:20] <intelikey> he raves i rant.
[06:21] <Jucato> and I !offtopic :)
[06:21] <intelikey> waltercool that should be normal for arts  or  esound
[06:21] <intelikey> yes you do  :)
[06:21] <avt3kk> did you see the pastbin?
[06:21] <avt3kk> man see all the stuff it found
[06:21] <waltercool> intelikey: but i cant get amarok + another sound app :(
[06:22] <stdin> make sure amarok is set to use alsa
[06:22] <avt3kk> DRI usbdongle
[06:22] <intelikey> cofigure  both apps to use alsa/arts
[06:22] <waltercool> is using alsa
[06:22] <waltercool> but i cant get 2 apps with alsa
[06:23] <avt3kk> im going to download the feisty kubuntu dvd guys
[06:23] <tzanger> here's a question... konqueror lets me use nfs://server/share, but my NFS server is denying it due to "authentication not supported" --the nfs server has read-only access for anyone, so what authentication is konq talking about?
[06:23] <avt3kk> how do I get here in windows? :/
[06:24] <avt3kk> while im waiting for it to download I want to talk with you guys
[06:24] <Servas> hi guys
[06:24] <DaSkreech> avt3kk: I install chatzilla or pidgin
[06:24] <waltercool> xD
[06:25] <avt3kk> ? whats that
[06:25] <Servas> i am install ubuntu now, but my install packet has been stay in 83% hmm now i run live cd
[06:25] <Servas> someone can help me
[06:25] <waltercool> i cant play with wine + amarok working, or see a movie in firefox + amarok, or see a movie in firefox + game in wine
[06:25] <waltercool> :S
[06:25] <DaSkreech> avt3kk: pidgin is an instant messenger that has IRC
[06:26] <avt3kk> welp ima restart see you guys soon
[06:26] <DaSkreech> Chatzilla is an extension for firefox
[06:26] <DaSkreech> avt3kk: You have firefox ?
[06:26] <avt3kk> I wrote it down Daskreech :) ty
[06:26] <avt3kk> yup thats how im going to download kubuntu
[06:27] <DaSkreech> avt3kk: Ok get chatzilla then before you start the download
[06:27] <DaSkreech> you have to restart firefox
[06:27] <avt3kk> ook
[06:27] <DaSkreech> search for it and look for Firefox addons
[06:27] <avt3kk> ook ty
[06:27] <Servas> DasSkreech
[06:27] <DaSkreech> install it and it will tell you to restart firefoc
[06:27] <avt3kk> brb after reboot
[06:27] <DaSkreech> it's in the tools menu
[06:27] <Servas> how i install wine to my kubuntu ?
[06:27] <DaSkreech> !wine | Servas
[06:27] <ubotu> Servas: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[06:30] <wers> I can view my webcam using the Kopete configuration window but whenever I try to upload my webcam images to a Y!M contact, "I cannot find the jasper image convert program.jasper is required to render the yahoo webcam images."
[06:31] <keeks> Sorry to ask again, how can i format my HD? My internet connection drop me.
[06:32] <stdin> wers: install libjasper-runtime
[06:32] <wers> thanks stdin! :D
[06:33] <ardchoille> keeks: You can format with a partitioning app such as qtparted or gparted
[06:34] <keeks> Thanks!
[06:35] <Jucato> wers: hope that solves your kopete problem
[06:36] <arun> i tried unzipping an archive, and it says end-of-central directory signature not found
[06:36] <arun> i've downloaded the file correctly
[06:36] <arun> any way i can salvage this?
[06:36] <Jucato> the archive itself might be corrupt
[06:37] <arun> hmm
[06:37] <arun> any way i can recover the files from it?
[06:37] <Jucato> if the site provides a way for you to check the integrity of the archive (md5, sha1, etc), try testing it
[06:38] <arun> nope
[06:38] <arun> :(
[06:38] <Jucato> :(
[06:38] <arun> i checked teh command line as to exactly what type of file it was
[06:38] <arun>  Zip archive data, at least v2.0 to extract
[06:38] <ardchoille> arun: what did you use to dl it? Whent hat happens with me I usually wget it and it helps
[06:38] <arun> i got that ^
[06:39] <arun> ardchoille: oh ok.. i'll try doing that. i just downloaded it using my browser
[06:39] <yintelike> arun sounds turncated to me.
[06:39] <arun> many times
[06:39] <tzanger> hmm, I'm trying to grab the source for the linux kernel that is running and put it in my home directory (so I can work on it without being root)
[06:39] <tzanger> apt-get source linux-image-generic grabs the linux-meta package but the source is not there
[06:39] <tzanger> what is the correct way to do this
[06:39] <Jucato> tzanger: you have to get the exact package name
[06:40] <Jucato> apt-get source doesn't resolve dependencies :)
[06:40] <Jucato> (that would be a mess!)
[06:40] <tzanger> Jucato: aha
[06:40] <arun> if i do a wget, where will the file be saved?
[06:40] <tzanger> so apt-get source linux-image-2.6.20-16-generic
[06:40] <DaSkreech> arun: in the same folder yo uare in
[06:41] <arun> DaSkreech: alright, thanks
[06:41] <tzanger> Jucato: is there a way to ask the distribution which package the running kernel is from?
[06:41] <DaSkreech> uname -r
[06:41] <tzanger> uname -a shows the version, and that does seem to have the -generic suffix too
[06:42] <Jucato> tzanger: uname -r
[06:42] <Jucato> tzanger: then prefix "linux-image-" to that
[06:42] <_2> well -r "release" is included in -a "all"
[06:43] <Jucato> yeah, but less messy
[06:44] <_2> and i though that there was a meta package for the kernel too.   linux-image-generic    ???
[06:44] <Jucato> yes.. but
 apt-get source doesn't resolve dependencies :)
[06:44] <_2> that always gets the latest
[06:44] <tzanger> yeah, that works
[06:44] <Jucato> ...
[06:44] <tzanger> apt-get source linux-image-`uname -r` :-)  perfect
[06:45] <Jucato> _2: imagine if apt-get source downloaded the source for every dependency too :)
[06:45] <_2> and linux kernel depends on ???
[06:45] <_2> libc6   is about it isn't it...
[06:45] <Jucato> I'm just saying imagine if apt-get source worked that way
[06:46] <_2> oh yeah   i see that.
[06:46] <Jucato> :)
[06:47] <_2> and raise you one .rpms
[06:47] <_2> :)
[06:47] <Jucato> :P
[06:48] <tzanger> the linux-meta package apt-source also gets is *ONLY* for making new kernel .debs, right?
[06:48] <DaSkreech> !rpm
[06:48] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[06:48] <DaSkreech> Alien!!!
[06:48] <patricia> Is this a help channel?
[06:48] <Jucato> tzanger: hm??
[06:49] <_2> patricia that's what they call it.
[06:49] <Jucato> patricia: for Kubuntu yes
[06:49] <tzanger> Jucato: apt-get source grabbed the linux-source-2.6.20-2.6.20 but also grabbed linux-meta-2.6.20.16.28.1
[06:49] <tzanger> what's that linux-meta used for
[06:49] <_2> and some mental issues too
[06:49] <Jucato> tzanger: ah that I don't know
[06:49] <patricia> Need help mounting ntfs partition.
[06:49] <DaSkreech> patricia: For some things
[06:49] <tzanger> it just contains the debian/ directory which seems to have teh usual control/rules/etc
[06:49] <_2> hanging out here help me develop mental issues....
[06:50] <_2> !ntfs-3g | patricia
[06:50] <ubotu> patricia: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:50] <_2> !ntfs | patricia
[06:50] <ubotu> patricia: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[06:51] <patricia> I really just need read access.  Will check out the links.
[06:51] <patricia> Thanks.
[06:54] <tzanger> hmm the kernel source it downloaded has botha  debian/ and ubuntu/ extra directory in it
[06:54] <tzanger> how do I cmoe up with the config that went into the making the kernel that the linux-image-`uname -r` kernel has?
[06:54] <tzanger> the debian/ directory has a bunch of configs that seem to be split up
[06:54] <intelikey> i think my isp is using a windows 95 server.
[06:54] <Jucato> tzanger: are you trying to make a .deb package or just compiling a new kernel?
[06:55] <tzanger> Jucato: I am trying to make a kernel image which has all the same config options as the package (I only want to play with one option and not disturb the rest of it)
[06:55] <Jucato> tzanger: I think you can find that config file in /boot/ the name would be config-*
[06:55] <tzanger> the running kernel does not have /proc/config.gz support
[06:55] <Jucato> !kernel
[06:55] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[06:56] <intelikey> cause about every 10 minutes i loose connectivity with the isp.
[06:56] <Jucato> intelikey: c'mon?!?! it's probaly already using MS-DOS
[06:57] <intelikey> Jucato wouldn't that be digression ?
[06:57] <Jucato> nope. hahaha
[06:57] <Jucato> j/k
[06:57] <intelikey> :)
[06:57] <Jucato> and it's a regression yes
[06:58] <wers> stdin: after installing libjasper-runtime, the old error message was gone. Now, whenever I start to upload webcam, "Webcam for is not available."
[06:58] <intelikey> no i meant the move from  !offtopic   to   your post   :)
[06:58] <Jucato> lol
[06:58] <intelikey> got ya  !
[06:58] <intelikey> :)
[07:05] <matt001> Hi! anybody had problems upgrading to gusty beta?
[07:06] <intelikey> several,   i'm not one of them
[07:06] <intelikey> support is still in the plus one channel
[07:07] <matt001> thanks
[07:11] <Jucato> borrow ubotu for a while
[07:11] <Jucato> !register
[07:11] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[07:13] <herve> hi all
[07:14] <ardchoille> hi herve
[07:14] <herve> hi
[07:14] <herve> have ever tried to install xen on ubuntu
[07:15] <herve> ?
[07:15] <herve> ardchoille
[07:16] <herve> are u there ?
[07:17] <Agent_bob> was eariler...
[07:18] <Agent_bob> hmmm hows this for a test to see if you have an ext2 partition   lol.    there is so much wrong with this script i don't know where to start rewriting it....
[07:18] <Agent_bob> ls /hd | grep -q lost+found
[07:18] <Agent_bob> case $? in 0);;
[07:18] <Agent_bob>   *) echo "Sorry, I can not find an ext2 partition on /hd."
[07:18] <DaSkreech> !xen
[07:18] <ubotu> XEN is a virtual machine monitor for x86 that supports execution of multiple guest operating systems with unprecedented levels of performance and resource isolation. Information on installing it for Ubuntu can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenOnEdgy
[07:19] <herve> thanx
[07:20] <herve> bye all
[07:20] <herve> see later
[07:21] <herve> thanx ubotu
[07:21] <DaSkreech> Not if we see you first!
[07:21] <arun> what does zip -f do?
[07:22] <Jucato> arun: there's a long description in man:/zip
[07:22] <arun> alright
[07:22] <arun> i read that it rescues zip files that won't get extracted
[07:23] <arun> just wanted to see if you guys could tell me anything about it
[07:23] <Jucato> I think you meant -F
[07:23] <arun> ah yeah
[07:23] <arun> sorry
[07:23] <Jucato> :)
[07:23] <arun> wht's -F fo
[07:23] <arun> do*
[07:23] <Jucato> Fix the zip archive. This option can be used if some portions of the archive are missing. It is not guaranteed to work, so you MUST make a backup of the original archive first.
[07:23] <Jucato> from man:/zip
[07:25] <arun> YAY it worked
[07:25] <Jucato> :)
[07:26] <arun> damn, but now i cant extract the files, though i can see them in the archive
[07:26] <arun> it says error:  invalid compressed data to inflate
[07:27] <ardchoille> arun: I'm beginning to think that the zip file on the server is bad
[07:28] <Jucato> ditto
[07:28] <Jucato> or somewhere along the download, got corrupted..
[07:28] <Jucato> without md5 or sha1 to check, we'll never know
[07:28] <ardchoille> Yeah
[07:28] <Agent_bob> packet loss on the net
[07:29] <ardchoille> arun: What is the url to that zip file?
[07:31] <towlieba> has anyone here instaled kubuntu in a virtual machine ? im trying to install kubuntu and i selected the first install option and i see the sliding progress bar but its been on there for at least 5 minutes
[07:41] <Agent_bob> hmmm now where will i ever find a dos formated floppy disk........
[07:42] <Daisuke-Laptop> Agent_bob: what is this "floppy disk" you speak of?
[07:43] <SilentDis> hello
[07:43] <ardchoille> Daisukelol
[07:44] <SilentDis> i'm having a bad day, and need a quick refresher.  what's the switch i need to allow a mount of a Fat32 drive as RW to all users on a machine?
[07:44] <Agent_bob> hmm thought i found some but they  are macentosh by gosh
[07:45] <Agent_bob> SilentDis umask=000
[07:46] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: thank you :)
[07:46] <Agent_bob> np
[07:47] <Agent_bob> SilentDis i actually do prefer  dmask=000,fmask=111   but both work.
[07:48] <SilentDis> Agent_bob: just a qnd check of an old hard drive.  a friend's 'puter died on him, so i was gonna set it up for kubuntu and install it for him :)
[07:48] <Agent_bob> tov
[07:49] <SilentDis> there, nice clean drive.  time to hook it up and install kubuntu.  thanks :)
[07:53] <Agent_bob> i just down loaded a new linux system.    i'm thinking about switching from kubuntu to this new system... although it's packaging system does seem to be wanting...
[07:54] <kkathman> which one?
[07:54] <Agent_bob> ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/baslinux/bl3-50fd.zip
[07:54] <Agent_bob> :)
[07:56] <Agent_bob> it's a two floppy disk system.   loads all  in ram.
[07:56] <Agent_bob> only needs 12m ram    :)
[07:56] <orcbane> Hey, i have a question about a game
[07:57] <kkathman> 10 frames, 2 balls to a fram
[07:57] <ardchoille> kkathman: lol
[07:57] <kkathman> well he didnt specify a game - so I thought I would
[07:58] <orcbane> how do i get an SDL image with PNG support?
[07:58] <Daisuke-Laptop> huh?
[07:58] <orcbane> thats what i was thinking
[07:59] <Daisuke-Laptop> you asked a question about a game
[07:59] <Daisuke-Laptop> what game
[07:59] <orcbane> battle for wesnoth
[07:59] <Daisuke-Laptop> what's the problem?
[07:59] <orcbane> i cant seem to get past the ./configure stage
[07:59] <Daisuke-Laptop> uh
[07:59] <Daisuke-Laptop> !repositories
[07:59] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:59] <Agent_bob> !b-e
[07:59] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:59] <Daisuke-Laptop> !packages
[07:59] <ubotu> You can browse and search for Ubuntu packages using !Synaptic, !Adept, "apt-cache search <keywords or regex>", the "apt:/" URL in KDE, or online at http://packages.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu has about 20000 packages available, so please *search* for an official package before installing things in awkward ways!
[07:59] <Daisuke-Laptop> Agent_bob: no
[07:59] <Daisuke-Laptop> wesnoth is in the repos
[08:00] <Daisuke-Laptop> there's absolutely no point in compiling it
[08:00] <Agent_bob> Daisuke-Laptop and your don't  ./configure unless you are building.
[08:00] <Daisuke-Laptop> Agent_bob: that's what i'm saying
[08:00] <orcbane> i am
[08:00] <Agent_bob> read his post.
[08:00] <Agent_bob> !b-e
[08:00] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[08:00] <Daisuke-Laptop> why would you compile when it's *in the repos*
[08:00] <Agent_bob> that's most likely the problem.   ^
[08:01] <Daisuke-Laptop> Agent_bob: why would you recommend that rather than, hey, INSTALLING it from the repos, where it already exists and where these problems *don't* exist?
[08:01] <Agent_bob> Daisuke-Laptop i'm not always right.   but think before you jump me on things like that.
[08:01] <orcbane> because i wanted to try and compile it
[08:02] <DaSkreech> !info wesnoth
[08:02] <ubotu> wesnoth: fantasy turn-based strategy game. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.2.3-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1937 kB, installed size 4396 kB
[08:02] <Daisuke-Laptop> orcbane: the repos are there for a reason, and will cause a whole lot less problems
[08:02] <DaSkreech> orcbane: ok make sure you localize it :)
[08:03] <DaSkreech> Daisuke-Laptop: Hey don't dissuade him if he wants to do it and knows what he is doing
[08:03] <DaSkreech> assuming that the bane of orc's is a male
[08:03] <Daisuke-Laptop> he's having problems with sdl headers.
[08:03] <orcbane> DaSkreech: i got so far in compiling it i did not want to give up
[08:03] <Daisuke-Laptop> i'm going to call the second part of what you just suggested "false"
[08:04] <DaSkreech> orcbane: Why are you compiling ?
[08:04] <Daisuke-Laptop> if you're just now configuring, you haven't gotten that far
[08:04] <DaSkreech> Daisuke-Laptop: I do too but lets try and educate while dissuading eh?
[08:04] <Daisuke-Laptop> alright
[08:05] <Daisuke-Laptop> orcbane: why do you feel the need to compile?  is there a feature that doesn't exist in the repository version?  that would be a very good reason.
[08:06] <Agent_bob> maybe he/she want's to learn how to compile things.    there doesn't even need to be a reason.   we have all sujested looking into the repos version,  if that's not what they want,   don't try to force them.
[08:06] <DaSkreech> Agent_bob: We aren't
[08:07] <Agent_bob> looked pretty pushy from here.
[08:07] <DaSkreech> We just want to ensure that it fits the two requirements for compiling
[08:07] <Agent_bob> requirements ?
[08:07] <DaSkreech> Yep :)
[08:07] <Agent_bob> only requirement is that the user want's to do it that way.
[08:07] <Daisuke-Laptop> wants
[08:07] <Daisuke-Laptop> but okay
[08:07] <Agent_bob> it's their linux.
[08:08] <DaSkreech> Agent_bob: Wants to and knows what they are doing
[08:08] <orcbane> DaSkreech: well you see the thing is i installed everything i needed to install and am at a stop. It says my SDL image does not have PNG support
[08:08] <Agent_bob> DaSkreech you knew how first time you tried ?
[08:08] <DaSkreech> orcbane: Right. But you are just compiling to see if you can compile ?
[08:08] <Agent_bob> :)
[08:08] <Daisuke-Laptop> then you don't have everything you need
[08:08] <DaSkreech> Agent_bob: I did it in GNU's hello world so ....
[08:08] <orcbane> DaSkreech: yes
[08:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> Agent_bob: i taught myself.  it's not rocket science
[08:09] <DaSkreech> orcbane: Ok You probbaly want to ./configure --prefix=~/games/wesnoth
[08:09] <Agent_bob> exactly.
[08:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> "don't have xxx headers"
[08:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> install xxx headers
[08:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> try again
[08:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> don't have yyy headers
[08:09] <Daisuke-Laptop> etc, etc.
[08:10] <ironman> whats up folks
[08:10] <DaSkreech> orcbane: try the sdl-dev packages and when you run configure run it with the prefix option I showed you
[08:10] <Agent_bob> ironman
[08:10] <orcbane> DaSkreech will do brb
[08:11] <Agent_bob> hmmm i wonder if the 2.2 kernel supports my three nic cards in this box....
[08:11] <ironman> i want to be able to convert to just linux one  day and only have to use windows to play games
[08:12] <Daisuke-Laptop> ironman: the real dream is being able to play games in linux as well :D
[08:12] <Daisuke-Laptop> but i agree, let's keep it realistic
[08:12] <Daisuke-Laptop> for now :)
[08:12] <DaSkreech> ironman: admirable statement of goals :)
[08:12] <DaSkreech> Daisuke-Laptop: The best would be booting out of windows to Linux to be able to play games :)
[08:12] <Daisuke-Laptop> DaSkreech: nah, that requires having windows
[08:13] <DaSkreech> Daisuke-Laptop: Yeah. You could be a history teacher
[08:13] <Daisuke-Laptop> and since linux does the non-gaming stuff better...
[08:13] <Daisuke-Laptop> huh?
[08:14] <DaSkreech> teaching history
[08:14] <ironman> should my windows partition be mounted somewhere, i want to copy my mp3s over
[08:14] <DaSkreech> of things long gone
[08:14] <NickPresta> goodnight #kubuntu
[08:14] <DaSkreech> so you would show windows
[08:14] <ironman> peace
[08:14] <Daisuke-Laptop> ah...
[08:14] <DaSkreech> NickPresta: Nigh
[08:14] <DaSkreech> ironman: That's a bit of a waste of space right now. Why don't you just play them from the Windows drive?
[08:14] <orcbane> Daskreech: im not sure what you mean  by the prefix
[08:15] <DaSkreech> you know when you type ./configure
[08:15] <ironman> i dont see the partition mounted
[08:15] <ironman> so i cant access it
[08:15] <orcbane> Daskeech which prefix?
[08:16] <orcbane> DaSkreech: should i use
[08:16] <DaSkreech> orcbane: You know when you type ./configure ?
[08:16] <orcbane> yeah
[08:16] <Daisuke-Laptop> "now kids, this is the operating system most popular in the 90s and early 2000s.  does anyone want to tell me why it failed?  tommy?  very good tommy!  vendor lock-in.  anyone else?  missy?  excellent, DRM!  yes, Jack?  no, Jack, steve ballmer wasn't a professional wrestler.  yes, i know he liked to throw chairs, but he was a professional."
[08:16] <DaSkreech> you can pass that an option of --prefix=
[08:16] <DaSkreech> which will install the program into a folder
[08:17] <DaSkreech> you can run it from that folder and it doesn't mess with anything
[08:17] <DaSkreech> You can just delete the folder and that "uninstalls" the application
[08:17] <orcbane> Daskreech ok ill try that
[08:17] <Jucato> !compile
[08:17] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[08:17] <Daisuke-Laptop> yeah, i could teach history.
[08:17] <DaSkreech> so it's ./configure --prefix=/home/orcbane/games/wesnoth for example
[08:18] <DaSkreech> Jucato: He just wants to compile it
[08:18] <Daisuke-Laptop> Jucato: i was already yelled at for recommending he install from the repos
[08:18] <Jimmey> does anyione know a good ftd program for kubuntu feisty?
[08:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> you need to deliver flowers?
[08:19] <Jucato> DaSkreech: I know. that's why I gave that factoid
[08:19] <ironman> hey how do i mount my windows partition so i can read files
[08:19] <Jucato> which explains your --prefix instructions
[08:19] <DaSkreech> Jimmey: Whats an ftd ?
[08:19] <Jimmey> gamees and stuf
[08:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> i'm thinking he maybe meant ftp?
[08:20] <Daisuke-Laptop> ?
[08:20] <Jimmey> you know the program openftd?
[08:20] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Oh I never actually read those
[08:20] <Daisuke-Laptop> no
[08:20] <Daisuke-Laptop> i know openttd
[08:20] <DaSkreech> Jimmey: No do you have a URL ?
[08:20] <orcbane> DaSkreech i tried it it it tells me the same thing i will copy and paste it: configure: error: *** SDL_image has no PNG support! You need SDL_image with PNG support
[08:20] <DaSkreech> Agent_bob: Want to help out ironman?
[08:20] <Jucato> (and he tells me off for not reading what the user wanted to do?)
[08:21] <Jimmey> its a dutch site
[08:21] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Usual issue with me. Near 1:00
[08:21] <Jimmey> i'm dutch so i can read it but i dont know if anyone is duth here
[08:21] <Daisuke-Laptop> that's fine, can still get an idea of what it is.
[08:21] <DaSkreech> !find ftd
[08:21] <ubotu> Found: ftdi-eeprom, giftd, libftdi-dev, libftdi0
[08:21] <Jimmey> nice
[08:22] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Oh how do you get the Bot to show more?
[08:22] <Jucato> dunno
[08:22] <DaSkreech> I think that's broken >.<
[08:22] <Jucato> try -more
[08:22] <DaSkreech> -more
[08:22] <Daisuke-Laptop> ah ha
[08:23] <Daisuke-Laptop> Jimmey: not "games and stuff"
[08:23] <Jucato> the bot didn't say there are more
[08:23] <Daisuke-Laptop> "usenet"
[08:23] <Daisuke-Laptop> look into klibido
[08:23] <Jimmey> i know usenet
[08:23] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I know I was messing with it the other day and couldn't get it to show me the other 5 packages I was looking for
[08:23] <DaSkreech>  I can't get it to do quotes either :(
[08:24] <Jimmey> i installed PAn newsreader but it won't open bnz files
[08:24] <DaSkreech> Though those might be disabled in chans which are not #ubuntu-bots
[08:24] <Daisuke-Laptop> that's because they're nzb files
[08:24] <Jimmey> yeah sorry mistyped there
[08:24] <Daisuke-Laptop> !search usenet
[08:24] <ubotu> Found:
[08:24] <Daisuke-Laptop> bleh
[08:24] <Jimmey> oke relax
[08:24] <DaSkreech> iro
[08:25] <DaSkreech> ironman: do you want to just look at the files or you want your drive mounted permanently ?
[08:25] <Daisuke-Laptop> Jimmey: one moment, i may have something that will be good for you
[08:25] <Jimmey> oke thnx
[08:25] <orcbane> DaSkreech i tried it it it tells me the same thing i will copy and paste it: configure: error: *** SDL_image has no PNG support! You need SDL_image with PNG support
[08:25] <ironman> i just found a site sudo mkdir /media/windows then another command after that
[08:25] <Daisuke-Laptop> !info hellanzb
[08:25] <DaSkreech> ironman: what command?
[08:25] <ubotu> hellanzb: Newzbin (nzb) & BinNews (bns) files downloader and post-processor. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.10-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 159 kB, installed size 720 kB
[08:26] <Daisuke-Laptop> that might work for ya :)
[08:26] <ironman> usenet servers are the best thing ever
[08:26] <Daisuke-Laptop> amen
[08:26] <ironman> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /media/windows/ -t ntfs -o nls=utf8,umask=0222
[08:26] <Jimmey> thnx man
[08:26] <Daisuke-Laptop> i use klibido, but there's gotta be something better :)
[08:26] <Daisuke-Laptop> (i don't use nxbs though)
[08:27] <Daisuke-Laptop> nzbs :)
[08:27] <ironman> if u dont mind using wine
[08:27] <ironman> go to altbinz.com
[08:27] <Daisuke-Laptop> if i were using wine, i'd use powergrab
[08:27] <ironman> best news read that will work in wine
[08:27] <Daisuke-Laptop> that was my preference in windows
[08:27] <ironman> news leecher
[08:27] <Jimmey> i'll try powergrab also then
[08:27] <Daisuke-Laptop> multi-threaded highly configurable binary leecher
[08:27] <ironman> also try altbinz.com
[08:28] <ironman> auto repair and unrar
[08:28] <Jimmey> and altbinz.om
[08:28] <ironman> global usenet sercher
[08:28] <Daisuke-Laptop> par2 and unrar :)
[08:28] <Jimmey> i'll try both
[08:28] <ironman> searcher
[08:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> the searcher would be a nice feature
[08:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> i would love to get another giganews account
[08:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> 100+ day binary retention O_O
[08:29] <Myrth[home] > hi, i've just changed in sources.list from feisty to gutsy and do apt-get upgrade. it downloaded many pages and installed many but when i try to upgrade again it shows about 500 packages that "The following packages have been kept back:"
[08:30] <Myrth[home] > what does it mean?
[08:30] <ironman> what server yall use
[08:30] <ironman> i use usenetserver
[08:31] <stdin> Myrth[home] : see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f52
[08:31] <Philistine_> hello
[08:32] <ironman> oh man i just got a permission denied while trying to mount my windows partition
[08:32] <Philistine_> how do i find the other channels?
[08:32] <DaSkreech> ironman: You started with sudo ?
[08:32] <Philistine_> !channels
[08:32] <ubotu> A list of official Ubuntu IRC channels, as well as IRC clients for Ubuntu, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat - For a general list of !freenode channels, see http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#channellist - See also !Guidelines
[08:32] <DaSkreech> Philistine_: back for more learning?
[08:33] <Philistine_> haha hey mang
[08:33] <Philistine_> pretty much
[08:33] <ironman> yes
[08:33] <Myrth[home] > stdin: doing so didn't upgrade, just exited without saying anything
[08:33] <DaSkreech> :-)
[08:33] <DaSkreech> ironman: do you have a /dev/hda1 ?
[08:33] <Philistine_> as long as you don't get mad at me for not being as wise as you, it's all goo
[08:33] <Philistine_> d
[08:33] <ironman> nvm i think i didnt put sude
[08:33] <stdin> Myrth[home] : do you know about the "dist-upgrade" apt-get command?
[08:33] <ironman> i dont fdisk command my hd is sda1
[08:33] <Myrth[home] > oh i see thanks
[08:33] <ironman> not hda1
[08:34] <Philistine_> DaSkreech seriously, how do i find that list of other channels?
[08:34] <DaSkreech> Philistine_: You want all of them or just the useful ones ?
[08:34] <stdin> Philistine_: /list
[08:34] <Jucato> er..
[08:34] <Philistine_> just he useful ones
[08:34] <Jucato> be careful with that /list, as you might lag a bit
[08:34] <stdin> "helpful" ?
[08:35] <Myrth[home] > stdin: hm.. adept version upgrade shows me 7.04 release announcement
[08:35] <Philistine_> thanks everyone
[08:35] <DaSkreech> Philistine_: ubotu just gave you a list
[08:35] <Philistine_> yep
[08:35] <jduckett> anyone running lighttpd web server??
[08:35] <Philistine_> so um why aren't there any hockey channels?
[08:35] <DaSkreech> stdin: ones like #jacksprivatecorner aren't really helpful
[08:35] <ironman> yessssssssssss it work damn i love this community
[08:35] <DaSkreech> Philistine_: feel free to make one but that's probably on anotehr server
[08:35] <DaSkreech> ironman: :-)
[08:36] <Philistine_> i dont know how to make one dude
[08:36] <Jucato> Philistine_: Freenode is a server used mostly for Free and Open Source Software related things
[08:36] <Myrth[home] > stdin: dist-upgrade worked
[08:36] <Philistine_> oh, thank you
[08:36] <Philistine_> i take it i'm on that server?
[08:36] <Jucato> (mostly)
[08:36] <Jucato> yes
[08:36] <Philistine_> and btw, sorry for being offtopic
[08:36] <DaSkreech> Philistine_: you know where offtopic stuff belongs already
[08:36] <Philistine_> ye/msg NickServ IDENTIFY <JohnnyC>
[08:36] <Philistine_> yep
[08:37] <DaSkreech> Whoops :)
[08:37] <ironman> any audio player that will play flac
[08:37] <Daisuke-Laptop> ironman: all of them
[08:37] <Daisuke-Laptop> flac is an open format :)
[08:37] <Philistine_> DaSkreech care to join ye olde channel to help a young gun out?
[08:37] <Daisuke-Laptop> amarok does a great job
[08:37] <jduckett> anyone running LightTPD web server??
[08:37] <ironman> it will not play it
[08:37] <DaSkreech> There already
[08:38] <DaSkreech> !flac
[08:38] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:38] <Daisuke-Laptop> that would be a question for lighttpd
[08:38] <DaSkreech> really? I would think that amarok would play it
[08:38] <jduckett> i need help with apt-get install
[08:38] <ironman> no avi decoder is the erro i get
[08:38] <jduckett> need to know how to force upgrade to latest version of lightTPD
[08:40] <DaSkreech> jduckett: If you >need< the new version >now< you can try gutsy or compile and install
[08:40] <DaSkreech>  otherwise maybe wait a week or so?
[08:40] <Philistine_> is the new kubuntu out yet??
[08:40] <DaSkreech> Philistine_: No
[08:41] <Philistine_> oh, does anyone know what's going to be improved?
[08:41] <jduckett> Need help with apt-get install.  I am running Feisty Fawn on a clean install.  apt-get install lighttpd worked fine.  it installed lightTPD 1.4.13 and the latest release is 1.4.18.  How can I use apt-get to pickup the latest version lightTPD 1.4.18??
[08:41] <Jucato> Philistine_: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Beta/Kubuntu and read the other Tribe release pages linked in that page
[08:42] <Philistine_> thank you
[08:42] <stdin> jduckett: you can't, that version isn't in feisty. is there any reason you *need* 1.4.18 rather than 1.4.13 ?
[08:43] <jduckett> yeah, bugs with FastCGI
[08:44] <Philistine_> this might be a dumb question to you guys but what's the diff between the upcomjing kubuntu 7.10 and kde 4?
[08:45] <stdin> Philistine_: kubuntu isn't kde
[08:45] <stdin> kubuntu _uses_ kde
[08:45] <Philistine_> please go on stdin, i'm not a troll, i'm just ignorant
[08:45] <Jucato> !kde4
[08:45] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[08:45] <Philistine_> no that really won't help
[08:45] <Philistine_> i need thigs explained in a way that is easy to understand, those links ALWAYS use computer speak
[08:46] <stdin> Philistine_: kubuntu is the name of a distribution that uses KDE as the desktop environment, so you can't compare them.
[08:46] <Philistine_> consider the position of someone who knows how a comp makes itself work, but the software angle is totally foreign
[08:46] <Philistine_> ah i see,
[08:46] <jduckett> I know I can download and compile, however, will download and compile break apt-get package management??
[08:46] <ironman> thanks for the help yall im out
[08:47] <Philistine_> so can kubuntu use other desktop environments? and if so, what are the differences?
[08:47] <stdin> !desktop
[08:47] <ubotu> A desktop environment is what "puts the pieces of a !GUI together". The available desktop environments in Ubuntu are !GNOME (ubuntu-desktop), !KDE (kubuntu-desktop), !Xfce (xubuntu-desktop), IceWM, !Fluxbox, WindowMaker (wmaker), FVWM and others - See also !Flavors
[08:48] <Philistine_> hmm are there any significant differences between ubuntu, kubuntu, and xubuntu?
[08:48] <stdin> yes, the user interface
[08:48] <DaSkreech> Philistine_: The desktop environemnt
[08:48] <Jucato> Philistine_: Ubuntu uses GNOME, Kubuntu uses KDE, Xubuntu uses Xfce
[08:48] <stdin> I suggest you look on wikipedia and google. perhaps install them and try them out
[08:48] <Philistine_> oh so it's all about the way the data is presented on my screen
[08:49] <Philistine_> stdin to be honest i've tried, but i don't know enough about computers to understand what they tell me
[08:49] <stdin> Philistine_: no, the user interface is more than that. it's the way the user interfaces with the desktop.
[08:49] <Philistine_> so it's actually esier to ask people
[08:49] <Jucato> how it's presented, the default apps that are available, etc
[08:49] <Philistine_> and have them explain it
[08:49] <Philistine_> oh ok
[08:49] <Philistine_> thank you all
[08:49] <Jucato> of course, but not everyone has the time to answer always :)
[08:49] <DaSkreech> Philistine_: Have you seen windows?
[08:49] <Jucato> that's why when good stuff has been written about it, we just point to it :)
[08:49] <Philistine_> ii grew up with windows, why do you think i'm so ignorant?
[08:50] <DaSkreech> Philistine_: Have you seen a Mac?
[08:50] <Philistine_> i hate macs
[08:50] <Philistine_> they're confusing and frustrating at the same time
[08:50] <DaSkreech> Philistine_: That's not an answer :)
[08:50] <Philistine_> yes i've seen a mac
[08:50] <Philistine_> please, go on
[08:50] <DaSkreech> Philistine_: Ok they functionally do the same thing. But with a differnt interface
[08:51] <DaSkreech> and a different "idea" for the environment
[08:51] <Philistine_> ok so it's all about the way the data is displayed with my "gui" ( i learned that the other day, give me cudos, seriosuly)
[08:51] <DaSkreech> so a mac "environment" has all the menus attached to the top of the screen
[08:51] <Philistine_> i hate macs
[08:51] <DaSkreech> on windows they are on the same box for the application
[08:52] <DaSkreech> Philistine_: regardless they help you to understand things more
[08:52] <Philistine_> if you say so
[08:52] <DaSkreech> they both allow you to write e-mail, write documents and listen to music
[08:52] <DaSkreech> They just do it in different ways
[08:53] <hgarcia> what up pplz
[08:53] <Philistine_> JohnnyC
[08:53] <Philistine_> i'm back
[08:53] <Philistine_> sorry ppl
[08:54] <DaSkreech> Well in Linux you can swap out how the Desktop environment works to one that you like.
[08:54] <Philistine_> between being like 10 beers into my night, and ignorant, things are ahrd
[08:54] <Philistine_> ok i get that
[08:54] <DaSkreech> one is called Gnome one is called KDE and one is called XFCE
[08:54] <Philistine_> my roommate explained it to me
[08:54] <Philistine_> and i understand it now
[08:54] <DaSkreech> that's the difference between ubuntu kubuntu and xubuntu
[08:54] <mark__> are you sure?
[08:54] <DaSkreech> yeah pretty sure
[08:55] <Philistine__> so ubuntu can only support certain desktop environments?
[08:55] <stdin> no
[08:56] <hgarcia> aren't there more programs ported for kde?
[08:56] <Philistine__> i thought i was just told the diff was the way the desktop was presented. with each os being diff
[08:56] <kkathman> Philistine__: I think it can support just about any desktop environment you want to throw at it
[08:56] <stdin> Ubuntu just comes pre-installed with Gnome, Kubuntu just comes pre-installed with KDE, Xubuntu just comes pre-installed with Xfce  etc
[08:56] <Philistine__> then wht is the diff between ubuntu and kubuntu and xubutnu
[08:56] <stdin> Philistine__: Kubuntu and Ubuntu aren't different OS's
[08:56] <Philistine__> but thanks for all your support peole
[08:56] <kkathman> Philistine__: the graphical interface
[08:57] <DaSkreech> Philistine__: the defaults are different
[08:57] <Philistine__> i was here earlier and i got ragged on for being ignorant, and called a "troll"
[08:57] <DaSkreech> All distributions are linux
[08:57] <Philistine__> ah
[08:57] <kkathman> its all "ubuntu" underneath the covers, just each product has its own default graphical interface
[08:57] <DaSkreech> With enough effort you can turn any distro into any ohter distro by yourself
[08:57] <Philistine__> ok so lets start from the beginnning..l..
[08:57] <Philistine__> linux...kubuntu...kde
[08:57] <kkathman> no those arent equal'
[08:58] <Philistine__> could you describe each of those?
[08:58] <DaSkreech> What makes the difference is the defaults. where you start off
[08:58] <Philistine__> so that i know the differences?
[08:58] <DaSkreech> linux is the kernel
[08:58] <Philistine__> kernal. right
[08:58] <Philistine__> like popcorn
[08:58] <kkathman> linux = operating system, kubuntu = linux + kde
[08:58] <DaSkreech> it is what enables you to use the computer
[08:58] <stdin> can you take this to -offtopic please
[08:58] <sn00py> hi
[08:58] <DaSkreech> !offtopic | Philistine__
[08:58] <ubotu> Philistine__: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:59] <Philistine__> thanks, will be there
[08:59] <sn00py> i try to install kubuntu 7.10 on my notebook! when it comes to ~84% (setting up the german language package) nothing happens anymore. it doesn't continue! i waited about 10 minuten and nothing happened anymore
[08:59] <sn00py> what can i do?
[08:59] <sn00py> my installation cs is errer free
[09:00] <kristjan_> sn00py: then it does language setup, it dl language packages
[09:01] <sn00py> it downloades them from the internet??
[09:01] <kristjan_> sn00py: yeah, if connection isn't available, it finishes with english only
[09:02] <kristjan_> sn00py: how long did you wai?
[09:02] <kristjan_> *wait
[09:02] <sn00py> not shure, about 5-7 minuten so i will try it again now and wait longer
[09:02] <kristjan_> with something like 128KB connection it takes around 5-10minutes
[09:03] <kristjan_> it downloads openoffice language packs also
[09:03] <kristjan_> sn00py: you know what? install with english only
[09:03] <kristjan_> sn00py: you can make it later german
[09:05] <sn00py> ow can i change it to german later?
[09:05] <sn00py> ow = how
[09:06] <kristjan_> sn00py: yep, system settings> regional and language
[09:07] <DaSkreech> Night all
[09:07] <DaSkreech> !
[09:07] <sn00py> okay thank you :)
[09:08] <momal> Hey, can anyone who has set up 5.1 with k/ubuntu help me out. I have a set of logitech 5.1 speakers they all work but the center speaker(front)  I set kaffine/amarok to use xine,alsa,5.1 surround. Kmix and alsamixer seem to be all set correctly 6channel, everything there full volume. The cables+speaker do work fine (tested that already) I am using on board sound card "Nvidia CK804, Realtek ALC850"
[09:12] <hgarcia> when is gutsy release?
[09:13] <towlieba> hi
[09:13] <towlieba> is anyone around
[09:18] <kristjan_> towlieba: there is always someone around, just not responding within 10secs
[09:20] <flake> too many free fps's, not enough time :/
[09:28] <feds> Federal has signed in
[09:29] <izio> hi, in which file i can find the application that kubutu lunch at start up (the applications in he right side of the bottom bar)
[09:31] <kristjan_> izio: the icons near the volume control?
[09:33] <izio> kristjan_: yes
[09:33] <stdin> in /usr/share/autostart I think
[09:34] <kristjan_> izio: this part of the panel is called system tray; by default kubuntu launches there next apps: adept_notifier, kmix, klipper, networkmanager and guidance-power-manager (if you use laptop)
[09:34] <kristjan_> *knetworkmanager
[09:35] <Nysander> what is default uid/gid for user created during install of kubuntu?
[09:35] <izio> kristjan_: thanks but i think that they are also wtitten in some tectual file
[09:36] <kristjan_> izio: ? what's the problem? do you want to disable a few of them autostarting?
[09:36] <stdin> Nysander: 1000/1000
[09:36] <towlieba> have any of you installed kubuntu in a virtual machine ?
[09:36] <Xeross> hey
[09:36] <stdin> izio: remember, kde will start apps that were running when you logged out
[09:37] <xenol> stdin: can it be disabled?
[09:37] <Xeross> i installed kubuntu but now when i try to boot it it hangs on loading bar thingy
[09:37] <izio> kristjan_: i know how to remove or add application, my question is only for aknowledge
[09:37] <stdin> xenol: if you want, System Settings > Advanced tab > Session Manager
[09:39] <kristjan_> izio: the list of apps starting there is written to system tray config I guess
[09:39] <flake> welp,  bf2 still doesn't seem to work under wine - has problem with dx9c
[09:39] <towlieba> have any of you installed kubuntu in a virtual machine ?
[09:40] <stdin> izio: #kde would be a better place to ask that
[09:40] <izio> kristjan_:sorry i'm a beginner...where are system tray onfig
[09:40] <izio> stdin: ok thanks
[09:40] <Xeross> can someone help me?
[09:40] <flake> depends Xeross, whats up
[09:41] <Xeross> when i boot kubuntu it hangs at 3/4 of the loading bar
[09:41] <Xeross> and it only works when i boot in recovery mode
[09:42] <garvin_> hello
[09:43] <ubuntu> cze
[09:43] <Jucato> !cz
[09:43] <ubotu> esk uivatele dme, aby mluvili v kanle #ubuntu anglicky. esky je mono se domluvit v #ubuntu-cz. Dkujeme.
[09:44] <flake> xeross - what did you change or update
[09:44] <Xeross> nothing
[09:44] <Xeross> i just installed it from the dvd
[09:47] <momal> Anyone here set up 5.1 before under ubuntu? I am having some problems
[09:48] <sn00py> @kristian okay i waited now about 20 minutes and still nothing happens... the installation is stuck at 87%. with kubuntu 7.04 there wasn't any problem
[09:48] <sn00py> i think something is wrong with the installation :(
[09:48] <sn00py> so i will try to install it in english only
[09:51] <DocTomoe> I have some weird sonud issue with kubuntu on a shuttle pc. this machine has two sound cards, the onboard HDA ULI M5461 and an Audigy2 ZS. For wome weird reason, sound works 33% of the reboots, but not on the other two thirds. Where can I look?
[09:52] <DocTomoe> btw: this is Feisty
[09:52] <xenol> is it normal that kde is slow with compiz fusion and it does stupid things on my desktop?
[09:52] <DocTomoe> xenol: you mean like spinning cubes and stuff? ;)
[09:53] <xenol> DocTomoe: i get probs after i use desktop cube my desktop whitens out
[09:53] <Xeross> uhm flake you have any suggestions or should i reinstall ?
[09:54] <xenol> DocTomoe: all the time i have to reload compiz
[09:54] <DocTomoe> xenol: sounds like a driver issue? NVidia?
[09:54] <xenol> DocTomoe: ati
[09:54] <DocTomoe> xenol: "official" drivers?
[09:55] <xenol> DocTomoe: flgrx or whats that crap called
[09:55] <Xeross> ...
[09:56] <xenol> DocTomoe: but prob is it shows dri vers r installed and working correctly :/ i got probs on feisty watching films when my drivers were not installed
[09:57] <DocTomoe> "working correctly" does not mean "working correctly ANY TIME". you might want to update the drivers, or stick without compiz.
[09:57] <xenol> DocTomoe: without compiz why kubuntu is so sluggish :/
[09:59] <DocTomoe> xenol: I am not houndini ... there are a thousand reasons machines are "sluggish". Inadequate hardware, too small swap space, just to name a few
[10:00] <Xeross> how do you install with the alternate install ?
[10:00] <xenol> DocTomoe: my kubuntu was running w/o any probs till installing and logging to xgl session
[10:00] <DocTomoe> xenol: you might try sudo apt-get --purge remove xserver-xgl
[10:01] <DocTomoe> xenol: then, try restarting your x-server with [alt] -[strg] -[backspace] 
[10:02] <xenol> DocTomoe:  will that remove xgl?
[10:02] <DocTomoe> jupp
[10:02] <xenol> DocTomoe: i want to keep it :S only want to know why it doesnt work as it should :/
[10:02] <flake> Xeross - sorry, I have no idea
[10:02] <Xeross> damn
[10:03] <flake> are you sure it is hanging?
[10:03] <Xeross> yep
[10:03] <Xeross> waited for 5 mins and it didnt move
[10:03] <Xeross> and my pc was more silent then ever
[10:05] <manuel__> hi
[10:05] <manuel__> how can i start an Eterm window before KDM apperars and write into it?
[10:05] <manuel__> thanks for help
[10:06] <manuel__> i need this because of my luks enctypted home partition
[10:07] <lipan> hai all
[10:08] <manuel__> hi
[10:09] <luca_> hi everyone
[10:09] <luca_> does someone know how to slow down the strigdaemon?
[10:10] <Xeross> cya gonna reinstall
[10:11] <manuel__> cu
[10:13] <manuel__> ok i test something cu later
[10:15] <Kachna> mornin
[10:15] <Kachna> how can i unpack .rar with password on linux? :/ (well,i know the password,but not the way :P)
[10:16] <luca_> Kachna: install the unrar package
[10:16] <Kachna> yep i have it :P
[10:17] <Kachna> well was trying to do it in gui...i see now :)
[10:17] <monzie> hi all
[10:18] <monzie> I want set the resolution to 1440x960 , ( i switched to a new monitor )
[10:18] <monzie> can someone please guide me as to how to do it?
[10:18] <Kachna> luca_: ok works fine in console,thanks :)
[10:18] <luca_> np
[10:19] <luca_> bye
[10:19] <Kachna> monzie: create that value in xorg.conf...screen section i think
[10:19] <monzie> The monitor is now at 1280x1024 which sucks :(
[10:19] <Kachna> afk
[10:19] <monzie> Kachna:  i have already done that
[10:20] <Kachna> restarted X?
[10:21] <monzie> Kachna: yup
[10:21] <Kachna> mm strange
[10:21] <Kachna> i've no idea then :(
[10:21] <monzie> it now comes up in 1280x1024, which makes it particularly hard to read
[10:22] <Jester> Hi, I'm trying to figure out how the openoffice theme is set up in kubuntu. It looks like any other kde app with kde icons. the best I've been trying to achieve on another distro is gnome theme+icons using OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome or the ugly default theme and kde icons with OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=kde. However, on kubuntu this env. variable isn't even used. Anyone knows how this works ?
[10:22] <Jester> s/trying/able
[10:24] <pion> hello everyone
[10:28] <DocTomoe> I have some weird sonud issue with kubuntu on a shuttle pc. this machine has two sound cards, the onboard HDA ULI M5461 and an Audigy2 ZS. For wome weird reason, sound works 33% of the reboots, but not on the other two thirds. Where can I look?
[10:29] <flake> DocTomoe - have you tried to disable the onboard soundcard through bios?
[10:31] <manuel__> hi im back
[10:43] <yeo__> morning all
[10:47] <manuel__> how can i start a failsave session as the user root (with the # at start)
[10:48] <flake>   /dev/dsp  is for OSS audio?
[10:48] <yeo__> manuel__, you need to assign a password to root. but you also need to allow login in the KDE options
[10:49] <yeo__> (login from the login screen that is)
[10:49] <ardchoille> yeo__ , manuel__ We don't recommend logging in as root. Use sudo.
[10:50] <ardchoille> !sudo
[10:50] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:50] <momal> Anyone know much about 5.1 under k/ubuntu ?
[10:51] <manuel__> i know about sudo but if i start a failsave session i start it as user and this is ok but i need the shell as root and only the shell
[10:51] <ardchoille> manuel__: Then you can do: sudo -i
[10:51] <ardchoille> manuel__: But logging in as root is a bad thing
[10:52] <Jester> Hi, I'm trying to figure out how the openoffice appearance is set up in kubuntu. It looks like any other kde app (theme+icons). The best I've been able to achieve on another distro is gnome theme+icons using OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=gnome or the ugly default theme and kde icons with OOO_FORCE_DESKTOP=kde. However, on kubuntu this env. variable isn't even used. Anyone knows how this works ?
[10:52] <manuel__> i build my own session becouse luks encrypted home
[10:57] <ardchoille> Jester: man ooffice mentions "--widgets-set" but I don't know if it needs qt or kde and I don't know how to use it.
[10:58] <Jester> ardchoille: ooh interesting. thanks I'll check it out
[10:58] <ardchoille> yw
[10:58] <ardchoille> Jester: Lemme know if you figure it out, I've been trying to do the same thing in kde
[10:59] <Jester> ardchoille: the OOo that ships with kubuntu by default looks perfect, I just want to replicate the behavior elsewhere ;)
[11:01] <ardchoille> Jester: It looks good, but it doesn't behave like my other kde apps. I have a menubar at the top of the screen and OOo doesn't honour it
[11:02] <ardchoille> .. which is why I use koffice
[11:03] <TheGateKeeper> when is the next lts version released ?
[11:03] <Jester> april 2008 I believe
[11:04] <TheGateKeeper> ahhh ok thanks Jester
[11:05] <ardchoille> !schedule
[11:05] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[11:07] <highlander> salut a  vous
[11:07] <JimmyDee> ardchoille: sleeep man. sleeep
[11:08] <Jester> the timing for 8.04 LTS is quite good... xorg-server-1.4 kde-4, and all the power enhancements (dynticks x86_64), virtualization stuff fully merged
[11:08] <Jester> gonna be a nice release
[11:08] <ardchoille> JimmyDee: Sleep? What's that?
[11:08] <Jucato> (kde4.x not going into LTS)
[11:08] <yeo__> lal
[11:08] <Jester> really, that's too bad
[11:08] <highlander> j'ai un proble de pilote ati avec kubunt7.04
[11:08] <Jucato> not by default at least
[11:08] <Jucato> !fr | highlander
[11:08] <ubotu> highlander: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:09] <Jucato> kde4 packages will always be available though
[11:09] <highlander> i'm sorry
[11:09] <ardchoille> Jucato: Really? Wow, looks like we'll be waiting a while for inclusion
[11:09] <Jucato> yeah. but who knows....
[11:09] <Jucato> the important thing is that packages will be made available
[11:10] <ardchoille> Yeah
[11:10] <Jester> Jucato: yeah but maintaining KDE-4 all these years would have been more interesting than KDE 3
[11:10] <Jester> or supporting, rather
[11:11] <Jester> "long term support" -> long term support for whatever ships with LTS ie kde-3
[11:11] <Jester> ;)
[11:12] <Jucato> "would have been more interesting", but goes against the reason for an LTS
[11:20] <bjacob> hi. how can I install gcc 4.2 on kubuntu feisty, without replacing the installed 4.1 ?
[11:22] <JimmyDee> sorry I'm just a bit sleepy, but why would you want both?
[11:22] <bjacob> i'm developing a c++ library and want to see if g++ 4.2 optimizes it better than 4.1
[11:23] <JimmyDee> good reason, as for how, dunno
[11:23] <bjacob> ok
[11:24] <bjacob> will compile gcc 4.3-pre from sources, then
[11:24] <manuel__> hi
[11:24] <JimmyDee> hi
[11:24] <manuel__> how can i mount luks partitions on kdm start?
[11:26] <Jester> manuel__: add it to /usr/kde/3.5/share/config/kdm/kdmrc
[11:26] <uga> bjacob: aren't thee multiple debs for separate gcc versions, in feisty? there are for gutsy at least
[11:26] <manuel__> what schould i add?
[11:26] <uga> in gutsy you can install 3.3, 3.4, 4.1,4.2...
[11:27] <bjacob> in feisty it doesn't go beyond 4.1
[11:27] <Jester> and you can install them side by side ?
[11:27] <bjacob> i'll compile 4.3 from source package
[11:27] <uga> bjacob: oh okay then
[11:27] <bjacob> :)
[11:28] <uga> bjacob: I was about to suggest to use the gutsy debs, but possibly that would be a nightmare that would force you a full system upgrade
[11:28] <xenol> is it possible to turn off shadows on compizfusion?
[11:30] <manuel__> Jester: what shoud i write into it?
[11:31] <Jester> manuel__: the mount commands
[11:31] <manuel__> Jester: in the end if the file ?
[11:31] <Jester> yep
[11:33] <manuel__> opk thx i try it now
[11:34] <uga> Jester: kdmrc isn't a runnable script. it's a config file
[11:34] <uga> it won't be executed
[11:35] <manuel__> hi
[11:36] <manuel__> Jester: nothing happend
[11:36] <Jester> humm I might have mixed two files
[11:36] <Jester> whatever happened to the true meaning of rc files
[11:36] <uga> Jester: rc files are config files for all kde apps
[11:36] <uga> manuel__: edit /etc/init.d/kdm
[11:36] <uga> that's the service that starts up kdm
[11:37] <uga> ie, the one that executes it
[11:37] <manuel__> uga: can you post your kdm plz
[11:37] <uga> kdmrc is just a list of parameters that kdm will read when starting up. It's not a shell script
[11:37] <uga> manuel__: my what
[11:38] <manuel__> ./etc/init.d/kdm with luks opening comamnds
[11:38] <Jester> yes imo that's not right, it should be named kdm.conf then, rc is run commands plain and simple (by convention)
[11:38] <Jucato> ???
[11:39] <manuel__> ok i have modded the kdm file in init.d i test it now
[11:41] <uga> Jester: whatever anyone's conventions are, you can't just go and say mod this or that file without looking what it does...
[11:42] <uga> there's a good reason why they're stored under share/config
[11:42] <uga> just config files
[11:42] <uga> btw, wtf is a "luk"
[11:42] <uga> or a luk partition
[11:48] <Evolution2> can someone help me compile a couple of tarballs
[11:48] <Evolution2> iam new to linux
[11:49] <Jucato> !compile | Evolution2
[11:49] <ubotu> Evolution2: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[11:50] <Evolution2> yeah i tried
[11:50] <sn00py> hi! i'm using kubuntu 7.10 and i have an ati card (fglrx). can i run "Compiz" ? it fails to start, it sais i need xgl(?)
[11:51] <sn00py> how can i activate it will it work?
[11:51] <Jucato> sn00py: try in #ubuntu-effects
[11:51] <Evolution2> well the details are i want to install kooldock off source
[11:51] <Jucato> well you do need XGL afaik. so..
[11:51] <Jucato> Evolution2: you tried the one in the repository? what problems are you having?
[11:52] <Evolution2> i didnt
[11:52] <Evolution2> i downloaded the new version from KDE look
[11:52] <Evolution2> and its a source
[11:52] <uga> Jucato: can't ati use aiglx yet??
[11:52] <Jucato> !info kooldock | Evolution2
[11:52] <ubotu> evolution2: kooldock: Dock for KDE with cool visual enhancements. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 521 kB, installed size 964 kB
[11:52] <Evolution2> and i have no clue how to install or start
[11:52] <Jucato> uga: dunno really
[11:53] <Evolution2> no
[11:53] <Evolution2> not that one
[11:53] <Evolution2> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/kooldock?content=50910
[11:53] <uga> Evolution2: theres a kooldock package in gutsy
[11:53] <Evolution2> i have FF
[11:54] <Jucato> he wants a more updated version
[11:54] <Evolution2> *she
[11:54] <Jucato> Evolution2: first time trying to compile somethign from source
[11:54] <uga> Evolution2: I was wondering if there was one for feisty too
[11:54] <Jucato> ok she, sorry
[11:54] <Evolution2> hmm no clue
[11:54] <uga> Evolution2: you'll need to install a lot of -dev files, but the process is simple. ./configure; make; sudo make install
[11:54] <Evolution2> appearently there are two kooldocks
[11:54] <Jucato> try reading the link about Compiling Software
[11:54] <Evolution2> 0.3 and 0.4.7
[11:55] <Jucato> it should guide you about the basic steps
[11:55] <Jucato> !info kooldock feisty-backports
[11:55] <ubotu> Package kooldock does not exist in feisty-backports
[11:55] <Jucato> hm..
[11:55] <Evolution2> ok
[11:55] <Evolution2> hmm
[11:55] <Evolution2> well
[11:55] <enjoi1216> whats going on Evolution
[11:55] <Evolution2> the 0.4.7 has some reflection taskbar which i like too
[11:56] <Evolution2> i already have crystal project intalled
[11:56] <Evolution2> well...they are all tarballs...
[11:56] <enjoi1216> hey room i know that they say Linux Kubuntu they say never needs defragmentation but is there any defragmentation software for linux and how can i reset Linus to make it run faster
[11:57] <enjoi1216> Linus=Linux
[11:57] <Jucato> reset Linus..heheh :)
[11:57] <uga> enjoi1216: each time a file is written to disk, the fragmentation is kept to minimum. That's why it doesn't need that. And no, afaik there's no defrag tool
[11:57] <Jucato> actually there is :)
[11:57] <Jucato> !info defrag
[11:58] <uga> oh?
[11:58] <flake> by default after 30 mounts it does do a harddrive check
[11:58] <ubotu> defrag: ext2, minix and xiafs filesystem defragmenter. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.73pjm1-8ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 68 kB, installed size 208 kB
[11:58] <enjoi1216> well uga i'm not trying to be stupid
[11:58] <enjoi1216> but i'm just curious
[11:58] <Jucato> but look it's for ext2
[11:58] <uga> I'm not trying either ;)
[11:58] <Jucato> which doesn't have journaling
[11:58] <Jucato> flake: but not because of fragmentation
[11:58] <uga> Jucato: oh heh, not nice =)
[11:58] <uga> minix maybe, heh
[11:58] <enjoi1216> because i mean you neve really know because someone like in the u.s. could invent something or good lor somebody invent something for linux
[11:59] <enjoi1216> over in Germany
[11:59] <Jucato> enjoi1216: the default filesystem, ext3, uses a journaling system that minimizes defragmentation. so there really is no need to defrag...
[11:59] <uga> minimizes "fragmentation" I hope. Else we are in trouble ;)
[12:00] <uga> afaik even ext2 kept fragmentation to minimals
[12:00] <Jucato> lol sorry
[12:00] <enjoi1216> well jucato i ws reading in a red hat book and i mean this has been long ago
[12:00] <Jucato> enjoi1216: and it's still true today. that means it's gooooood :)
[12:00] <enjoi1216> and it said that the way that linux is installed on your harddrive that it does not fragment itself at all
[12:01] <Jucato> er sorry about that. journalling = for corruption
[12:01] <uga> enjoi1216: each time a piece is written to the disk, it tries not to fragment it
[12:01] <uga> that's why there's no need to defrag afterwards
[12:01] <enjoi1216> so in other words uga it tries not to scatter it everywhere
[12:02] <uga> yup
[12:02] <flake> mine still runs quick since first install
[12:02] <Jester> it's just that unix filesystems have traditionally been much more aware of the geometry of a disk, and the cost of less abstraction for diverse hardware
[12:02] <flake> Jester - watch your mouth, there are kids in here
[12:03] <enjoi1216> so technically linux does not fragment itself at all on all terms
[12:03] <uga> flake: LOL
[12:03] <Jester> flake: I don't get it lol
[12:04] <uga> Jester: summary: your loquaciousness blew his mind =)
[12:04] <flake> :] 
[12:04] <mirage`> I have a problem installing nvidia drivers: http://users.tkk.fi/~mirage/nvidia-installer.log
[12:05] <mirage`> which packages I actually need to have installed to get the nvidia installer working?
[12:05] <flake> mirage -  synaptic?
[12:05] <Jester> enjoi1216: no it does fragment, but for example where ntfs will throw a file on a sector until it runs of of free space then resume elsewhere (not entirely true), ext2 will take into account the number of platters on the disk and arrange the file as such so there is less movement of the reading head. sorry that doesn't go very much in depth but that's the best I can manage right now :P
[12:05] <uga> mirage`: you need to install libc6-dev
[12:05] <uga> had you read the error, you'd know ;)
[12:06] <uga> "ERROR: You do not appear to have libc header files installed on your system."
[12:06] <uga> so just install them
[12:06] <uga> and it'll build
[12:06] <mirage`> uga: thanks, just didn't know which package it is
[12:07] <enjoi1216> well i didn't know jester because now since i am getting used to Kubuntu and feeling more comfortable with the operating system i'm wanting to tweek and tune it and get it setup and liek make Kubuntu superfast
[12:08] <Jester> just build a nice RAID for great speed and less work :P
[12:08] <enjoi1216> well is there anyway you can tweak and tune the Linux software
[12:08] <uga> it's a shame that kubuntu doesn't do parallel service startup (afaik)
[12:09] <enjoi1216> i mean i'm not trying to destroy it but i mean just things you can do to keep everything in spec
[12:09] <Jester> well yes, you could use gentoo and build everything from source, with insane gcc compile flags for example
[12:09] <Jester> and prelink all your binaries, for shits and giggles
[12:09] <Jester> :P
[12:09] <uga> Jester: and brokenness ;)
[12:09] <enjoi1216> jester i'll tell you something that you will laugh your ass off at
[12:10] <uga> Jester: gentoo's parallel service startup works just nicely though
[12:10] <persen_> Any good apps to browse a smb network? Like check what shares the PC with name \\MYCOMP has
[12:10] <Jester> uga: agreed
[12:10] <enjoi1216> back in the day i remember when we were studying redhat linux 6.0
[12:10] <uga> why would I want to wait for the network to be loaded to be able to start up X for example
[12:10] <Jester> uga: iirc they are working on replacing init altogether with init-ng
[12:10] <uga> Jester: I installed that around... 2 years ago? =)
[12:10] <uga> on gentoo
[12:11] <mirage`> uga: got the drivers installed, but now the X fails to start with an error: Failed to load NVIDIA kernel module!
[12:11] <Jester> uga: I think I tried it but it had problems heh
[12:13] <uga> mirage`: strange... can you check if /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko exists?
[12:13] <uga> Jester: it was buggy at the beginning, but I managed fixing it nicely
[12:13] <Jester> might be worth another try...
[12:13] <enjoi1216> well see you had to manually setup your XWindows settings when you were doing a linux install well when you setup your video card you had to setup your video settings either a little less or more depending on how  many megabytes your video card was well if you exceeded your video settings like beyond the megabytes on your video card you coudl actually burn or blow your monitor up because you were outputting too much at one
[12:13] <enjoi1216> time there was actually a guy that did that back in redhat linux 6.0 that my college professor was telling me about i mean it's just crazy that linux is that powerful of an operating system
[12:13] <uga> that was on too, though
[12:14] <uga> Jester: I don't think I'd dare installing it on kubuntu
[12:14] <uga> too easy to break
[12:14] <mirage`> uga: nw, just had to reinstall the kernel-restricted module, which I had removed when following instructions from nvtalk boards
[12:14] <mirage`> works now.. ty
[12:14] <uga> enjoi1216: do you have ,. symbols in your keyboard layout??
[12:15] <Jester> enjoi1216: lol
[12:15] <enjoi1216> no i don't
[12:15] <enjoi1216> what makes you last
[12:15] <enjoi1216> yeah i am the covenant from halo
[12:15] <enjoi1216> i use an alienated format unique keyboard
[12:15] <Jucato> um guys... #kubuntu-offtopic please
[12:16] <uga> mirage`: wrong
[12:16] <Jester> enjoi1216: "XWindows" is kind of a forbidden word in some circles, for reference ;)
[12:16] <uga> mirage`: restricted modules install their own nvidia drivers. Installing them will prevent xorg from loading the Nvidia driver you just installed
[12:16] <uga> so it's not using it
[12:17] <uga> either you install linux-restricted-modules, or nvidia .run. But not both
[12:17] <mirage`> but, not the nvidia-settings is working etc.
[12:17] <mirage`> now
[12:17] <Tautoa> Morning all. Does anyone know how to change the location of the Kopete chat logs? :)
[12:17] <flake> goodnite
[12:17] <uga> mirage`: whatever, but building nvidia was pointless
[12:17] <uga> it's not using it
[12:18] <uga> Jester.append(new QWidget("Holy widget"));
[12:18] <Jester> :)
[12:18] <enjoi1216> hey if i accidentally cussed i would like to apologize room i didn't mean to i was trying to keep it clean and i just accidentally slipped up
[12:19] <momal> Hey, can anyone who has set up 5.1 with k/ubuntu help me out. I have a set of logitech 5.1 speakers they all work but the center speaker(front)  I set kaffine/amarok to use xine,alsa,5.1 surround. Kmix and alsamixer seem to be all set correctly 6channel, everything there full volume. The cables+speaker do work fine (tested that already) I am using on board sound card "Nvidia CK804, Realtek ALC850"
[12:19] <mirage`> uga: can I see it from any log file which driver it is using atm?
[12:19] <uga> mirage`: did you see an nvidia splashscreen?
[12:19] <uga> when loading X
[12:19] <mirage`> no, it just bring up the login screen immediately
[12:19] <uga> then it's using the lrm one
[12:19] <uga> possibly
[12:20] <uga> else it'd have shown a nice nvidia screen first
[12:25] <uga> mirage`: try "modinfo nvidia"
[12:25] <uga> what does it say
[12:25] <uga> that's the one that modprobe would have loaded
[12:25] <uga> unless modprobe is hacked in a different way
[12:27] <uga> it'd have been faster :P
[12:28] <uga> "got a problem with..." "gimme your IP address"... "done"
[12:29] <RivaeAerya> What's the best iconset for KDE?
[12:30] <uga> RivaeAerya: depends on how bad your taste is ;)
[12:30] <momal> !nvidia
[12:30] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:31] <RivaeAerya> uga: hmm, i'd like an iconset with much detail and looks like it's been painted or drawed out on paper
[12:31] <uga> RivaeAerya: you have tons of icon sets in http://www.kde-look.org
[12:32] <uga> RivaeAerya: there http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=22x27
[12:32] <Jucato> !info kde-icons-nuvola
[12:32] <ubotu> kde-icons-nuvola: Nuvola icon theme for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.final-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 13355 kB, installed size 22928 kB
[12:32] <uga> RivaeAerya: sorry no, there http://www.kde-look.org/?xcontentmode=27
[12:32] <Jucato> RivaeAerya: ^^^ :)
[12:33] <Jucato> !best
[12:33] <ubotu> Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose among a number of different applications, depending on your preferences, the features you require, and other factors.
[12:33] <uga> !worst
[12:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about worst - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:33] <uga> shame
[12:34] <uga> I expected something like "don't ever try to use mplayer to edit your sudoers file. That's the worst approach. Use visudo instead"
[12:44] <mauri> when i install updates from adept it says the errors you can find in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39012/
[12:46] <waylandbill> mauri: there is a device in your xorg.conf that does not exist. You can ignore the warning or edit the xorg.conf to make it go away
[12:47] <waylandbill> uga: I'm not sure that would be a good tidbit as mplayer isn't a text editor. :)
[12:47] <enjoi1216> hey uga are you still out there
[12:47] <Jester> uga is omnipotent
[12:47] <uga> waylandbill: a good reason for not using it as an editor, right? =)
[12:47] <uga> Jester: lol
[12:48] <kaminix> If I play a vob file through mplayer via the console, will I see all errors the file contains? If I get no error, can I be sure my video is error free then?
[12:48] <enjoi1216> hey uga i found a degragmenter for Kubuntu
[12:48] <mauri> waylandbill: do you know wich is the devices that is not existing
[12:48] <waylandbill> kaminix: error free? I suppose you could have corrupted video and it would not necessarily produce errors.
[12:48] <enjoi1216> but the thing is i don't know where to find the file at because it said that it stored it in my file home from the way i understood it
[12:49] <uga> enjoi1216: defrag - ext2, minix and xiafs filesystem defragmenter ?
[12:49] <kaminix> waylandbill: Is there any non-checksum way to see that a videofile (vob) is errorfree?
[12:49] <enjoi1216> yeah
[12:49] <uga> enjoi1216: that's only for ext2 filesystems. Although it possibly works for ext3 too
[12:50] <uga> it's same fs internally
[12:50] <enjoi1216> well i just want to try it to see what it's liek and see how much more quicker it makes my system
[12:51] <enjoi1216> ftp://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/gnewsense/gnewsense/pool/universe/d/defrag/defrag_0.73pjm1.orig.tar.gz
[12:51] <waylandbill> kaminix: checksum... hmm.. an md5 of when it was made would be a good idea. :)
[12:51] <uga> sudo defrag /dev/sda1 -> or something like that, possibly
[12:51] <Jester> cmake is so colorful
[12:51] <Jester> 8)
[12:51] <enjoi1216> now wait a minute uga is that a command line you are giving me
[12:51] <kaminix> waylandbill: and if I don't have that? ^^
[12:51] <waylandbill> mauri: one that is not installed in your system such as a wacom driver.
[12:52] <enjoi1216> ??
[12:52] <kaminix> waylandbill: note: non-checksum. ^^
[12:52] <mauri> waylandbill: what is it wacom
[12:52] <enjoi1216> is that i command line that i can use to degrag linux uga
[12:52] <enjoi1216> defrag
[12:52] <waylandbill> kaminix: what are you trying to find out? if it has gotten corrupted or something? I don't know that you can tell unless you know exactly how the file was when it was made.
[12:53] <kaminix> waylandbill: exactly, if there are errors in the video.
[12:54] <waylandbill> mauri: I'm not saying it is wacom or not. That's typically one that is included in the xorg.conf that is not always installed in the hardware. You have to look at the file and determine which is not installed in your computer.
[12:54] <uga> enjoi1216: "man defrag"
[12:54] <uga> will tell you
[12:54] <uga> I don't have it installed
[12:54] <waylandbill> kaminix: if someone else created it, then ask them for a checksum of the original. If you created it, all I can suggest is to checksum it next time.
[12:55] <enjoi1216> well how do i go about finding that uga
[12:55] <mauri> waylandbill: yes you are right, there is a wacom dirver in the xorg.conf but what i asked you was what is a wacom, which type of device
[12:55] <enjoi1216> or do i just punch it in on a commmand line
[12:55] <uga> enjoi1216: as I said, on a command line "man defrag"
[12:55] <uga> that's the manual
[12:55] <uga> I can't tell how to use it since I don't have it installed
[12:56] <waylandbill> mauri: oh. sorry. It's a tablet.
[12:57] <waylandbill> uga: defrag?!?
[12:57] <uga> waylandbill: he insists on defragging his disk
[12:57] <uga> there's a deb package
[12:57] <waylandbill> uga, enjoi1216: the kernel defrags the disk automatically.
[12:57] <uga> waylandbill: he insists on defragging his disk
[12:57] <uga> waylandbill: he insists on defragging his disk
[12:57] <uga> =)
[12:57] <enjoi1216> ok uga
[12:57] <enjoi1216> i'm just asking how
[12:58] <enjoi1216> now don't get haterfied
[12:58] <waylandbill> don't make me repeat what the kernel does. =)
[12:58] <uga> enjoi1216: lol no. The asnwer is "I don't know, read the manual"
[12:58] <uga> enjoi1216: so "man defrag" and read through it
[12:58] <uga> I can't explain how to use a tool that I don't even have installed
[12:58] <uga> understand?
[12:58] <enjoi1216> it doesn't have a manual on how to defrag linux
[12:58] <enjoi1216> but anyway i do have that program downloaded
[12:59] <uga> enjoi1216: then try defrag --help
[12:59] <waylandbill> enjoi1216: you are not required to defrag as in windows xp. It is handled by the kernel. It will relocate files on the disk whenever it determines it is necessary to.
[12:59] <kaminix> I thought you didn't need to defragment Linux filesystems?
[12:59] <uga> waylandbill: he knows
[12:59] <kaminix> There. :up
[12:59] <enjoi1216> but wayland i want to learn how
[12:59] <uga> waylandbill: and still wants to defrag it. So why not ;)
[01:00] <waylandbill> enjoi1216: I wouldn't trust a program that does something like that since it's already being handled. I wouldn't want it done outside of a LiveCD at the very least.
[01:00] <mauri> waylandbill: what is it  a tablet
[01:01] <waylandbill> mauri: you use a pen to write on it and it appears on the screen. It's used for graphics applications.
[01:02] <mauri> waylandbill: ok now I understand but i don't understad why it is in the xorg file even if i don't have this tools
[01:02] <enjoi1216> uga i downloaded the file
[01:03] <enjoi1216> it downloaded it the the linux kernel
[01:03] <enjoi1216> through
[01:03] <uga> linux kernel???
[01:03] <waylandbill> enjoi1216: you don't have to think of the environment in a way that's similar to windows. There are differences that there is no equivalent. In this case it is a good thing. Why would I want to waste cpu time and my time to defrag?
[01:04] <Alp`> i try to customize the kde style. in fact i dont have an idea how to make the whole bottom system bar appear in another color. how can i do this?
[01:05] <waylandbill> mauri: it's there to support those tools. I agree that it should be inserted only after detection. That's probably the key though. Perhaps it can't be easily detected at install without adding more libraries and such.
[01:05] <waylandbill> Alp`: right click the kicker panel, select configure and look at the Appearance page.
[01:06] <mauri> waylandbill: thk you very much
[01:06] <waylandbill> Alp`: (the bottom bar's name is kicker BTW)
[01:06] <Alp`> waylandbill: thank you
[01:06] <Alp`> that was an easy one -.- i searched in kcontrol
[01:07] <waylandbill> Alp`: in kde almost anything can be right clicked and configured when it comes to the desktop environment. I think it's part of the design plan.
[01:07] <enjoi1216> hey uga it said to make sure i had the universe component installed how do i install the universe component
[01:08] <waylandbill> !universe
[01:08] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:08] <Alp`> waylandbill: ok. but i guess a central with all needed information is good too
[01:08] <Jester> uga: oO $ rc-update show | wc -l && ng-update show | wc -l
[01:08] <Jester> 25
[01:08] <Jester> 485
[01:09] <waylandbill> Alp`: most is also available in kcontrol as well.
[01:10] <uga> Jester: ng-update is the config tool, right?
[01:10] <Jester> uga: yeah, to add/remove scripts to runlevels, similar to rc-update
[01:11] <Jester> uga: but there's a shitload of them already included :P
[01:12] <uga> Jester: are you using it on kubuntu??
[01:12] <waylandbill> !language
[01:12] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:13] <uga> waylandbill: I'll never more use the word kubuntu, sorry
[01:13] <uga> =)
[01:13] <enjoi1216> hey uga can you help me
[01:14] <uga> enjoi1216: if you tell me what you did and what you're trying to do ;)
[01:15] <enjoi1216> ok i used the command uga that you told me to use in order to download the software but it said to make sure that i have universe installed on my computer
[01:16] <Evolution2> hey guys, i was just wondering if there is a way to extract a folder into /usr/share/apps because it tells me that i dont have enough permissions
[01:16] <uga> enjoi1216: I didn't tell you any commands to download the software... what did you exactly run
[01:16] <nosrednaekim> Evolution2: prefix with "sudo"
[01:16] <Evolution2> how to do i type the command
[01:16] <enjoi1216> well it installed the software
[01:17] <waylandbill> !universe | enjoi1216
[01:17] <ubotu> enjoi1216: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:17] <enjoi1216> but the thing is i don't know if i have universe to make the defragmenting software work
[01:17] <uga> enjoi1216: which software. From the message it seems you haven't actually installed
[01:17] <uga> that's why I'm asking how you installed it ;)
[01:17] <waylandbill> enjoi1216: that tells exactly about the universe and how to enable it. If you're running fiesty it's already enabled BTW.
[01:18] <enjoi1216> yeah i'm running fiesty
[01:18] <enjoi1216> ok it said it installed the program and i went to add remove programs to look the program up and i didn't see it
[01:18] <waylandbill> enjoi1216: that worries me more. The instructions reference enabling universe which makes me assume it was for edgy or dapper.
[01:19] <waylandbill> enjoi1216: what is the name of the program you installed? I'm curious now.
[01:19] <enjoi1216> what so you can sit around and preach and harp at me some more
[01:19] <miroslav_> hi all
[01:20] <miroslav_> here anybody can speak russian ?
[01:20] <miroslav_> i have question about XMMS cyrillic problem
[01:21] <miroslav_> with Ubuntu 7.04
[01:22] <Jucato> !ru | miroslav_
[01:22] <ubotu> miroslav_:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[01:22] <enjoi1216> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe defrag 0.73pjm1-8ubuntu1 [70.1kB] 
[01:22] <enjoi1216> thats what i downloaded uga
[01:22] <waylandbill> !ru
[01:22] <waylandbill> enjoi1216: I would like to see it and investigate it's source code. but if you don't want to give the information then I won't lose sleep over it.
[01:22] <Evolution2> nosrednaekim: can you be more specific
[01:23] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[01:23] <enjoi1216> wayland i just gave it to you
[01:23] <uga> enjoi1216: you don't need to download the package and separately install them. adept_manager downloads and installs it for you
[01:23] <miroslav_> ubuntu 10x
[01:24] <uga> enjoi1216: I'm not sure how you are doing that or what you're using. Please follow the url waylandbill pointed at you
[01:24] <uga> that will explain you how to enable universe and install packages
[01:24] <savetheWorld> fsoip
[01:24] <uga> enjoi1216: if you already installed it through adept_manager, then you can use it from command line
[01:25] <enjoi1216> but see thats the thing uga i don't see it in adept manager to see if the program is there
[01:25] <enjoi1216> like i can't see the progarm visually when i go to add remove programs
[01:25] <uga> !universe | enjoy
[01:25] <ubotu> enjoy: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:26] <uga> !universe | enjoi1216
[01:26] <ubotu> enjoi1216: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:26] <uga> argh, better
[01:26] <uga> enjoi1216: follow those instructions and you'll see it in adept
[01:26] <uga> else it's only in gutsy, and I won't be abl eto help... :/
[01:26] <enjoi1216> ok uga help me hands on
[01:27] <uga> enjoi1216: just follow the instructions in that page and enable universe, please
[01:27] <deviance> Is there an official release date for gutsy yet?
[01:27] <waylandbill> "However, defrag is old (last updated August 1997!), is unmaintained, was always experimental, and is very likely dangerous to your data. (If you do use it, it's vital that you allow it to complete, or you will almost certainly lose data.)"
[01:27] <uga> if we went and explained it each time somebody asks, the channel would be about repeating alwasy same thing. that's what the doc was created
[01:27] <deviance> Im guessing some time in october
[01:28] <enjoi1216> uga that page you gave me isn't worth a crap
[01:28] <michael_> Hi Leute
[01:29] <enjoi1216> everytime i go there looking for something i get confused about what to do
[01:29] <uga> enjoi1216: those are step by step instructions on how to enable repositories, in your case, universe
[01:29] <waylandbill> it tells exact steps with pictures even.
[01:30] <uga> enjoi1216: they are pretty clear, if you can't follow them, maybe you should ask somebody to come over and help
[01:31] <uga> I can't help better than those pictures
[01:31] <enjoi1216> uga it's confsusing
[01:31] <nosrednaekim> Evolution2: what command are you using to extract?
[01:31] <Jester> uga: no not kubuntu ;)
[01:32] <Evolution2> nosrednaekim: thats the thing, i dont know. i was trying to do it manually
[01:32] <uga> Jester: shame. I'm so very tempted to install it, but I know, I know for real sure that *buntu will have some weird tangled scripts that won't boot if not run under the standard system...
[01:33] <Jester> yeah
[01:33] <waylandbill> Evolution2: what have you tried already? what type of archive is it you're trying to unpack?
[01:33] <nosrednaekim> Evolution2: ok do "sudo tar xvzf <archive> /usr/share/apps"
[01:33] <uga> Jester: initng in dapper, heh https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InitNG
[01:35] <Jester> cool
[01:35] <emilsedgh_> people who want to try KDE4, my friend created new packages.his packages are small and include playground branch of plasma (which has most of the plassmoids): http://khorshid.ut.ac.ir/~s.taghavi/downloads/kde4-trunk/
[01:35] <Jester> sysvinit is so slow it's terrible
[01:36] <nosrednaekim> emilsedgh_: there is an official place to get those...
[01:37] <emilsedgh_> nosrednaekim: really? where? Beta2 packages are huge and do not include playground branch
[01:37] <Jucato> not as packaged debs though
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> emilsedgh_: ah.... didn't see the playground part.
[01:37] <Jucato> F1 F1 F1!!!!
[01:37] <nosrednaekim> emilsedgh_: are they SVN or beta2?
[01:38] <waylandbill> LOL
[01:38] <emilsedgh_> nosrednaekim: svn
[01:38] <darkman1983> hi all
[01:38] <phoenix7> emilsedgh_: thanks about announce
[01:39] <darkman1983> i have a question! ^^
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> emilsedgh_: ah... now thats nice. How often are they built?
[01:39] <Jucato> darkman1983: ask
[01:39] <nosrednaekim> darkman1983: ask!
[01:39] <emilsedgh_> Jucato: whats your problem with Kopete? I love it, really more than YMessenger, just install K0NE chat window and love it! ;)
[01:39] <emilsedgh_> nosrednaekim: oh, phoenix7 created them :)
[01:39] <Jucato> emilsedgh_: read my comment :)
[01:39] <darkman1983> will the x-fi beta drivers released on 25.09. get included to the restricted modules?
[01:40] <darkman1983> i was just waiting for x-fi drivers to switch to linux *g*
[01:40] <enjoi1216> ok uga here is what i found out about universe
[01:41] <enjoi1216> "universe" component
[01:41] <enjoi1216> The universe component is a snapshot of the free, open source, and Linux world. In universe you can find almost every piece of open source software, and software available under a variety of less open licences, all built automatically from a variety of public sources. All of this software is compiled against the libraries and using the tools that form part of main, so it should install and work well with the software in
[01:41] <enjoi1216> main, but it comes with no guarantee of security fixes and support. The universe component includes thousands of pieces of software. Through universe, users are able to have the diversity and flexibility offered by the vast open source world on top of a stable Ubuntu core.
[01:41] <enjoi1216> Canonical does not provide a guarantee of regular security updates for software found in universe but will provide these where they are made available by the community. Users should understand the risk inherent in using packages from the universe component.
[01:41] <enjoi1216> Popular or well supported pieces of software will move from universe into main if they are backed by maintainers willing to meet the standards set for main by the Ubuntu team.
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> !paste
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[01:41] <Jucato> !flood | enjoi1216
[01:41] <ubotu> enjoi1216: please see above
[01:41] <Jucato> :P
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> heh
[01:41] <uga> enjoi1216: pasting huge lines is forbidden in this channel...
[01:41] <enjoi1216> ok i didn't know that
[01:42] <uga> enjoi1216: universe is a third party maintained repository for packages. you just need to follow the instructions in the page I pointed to you, and enable it
[01:42] <deviance> !universe
[01:42] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:42] <uga> enjoi1216: once enabled, update the package list and you'll see your packages there
[01:42] <uga> deviance: 3rd time we point to the url
[01:43] <enjoi1216> but uga you don't understand i have read and read and read that page again and it's not telling me how to enable universe
[01:43] <waylandbill> of course he's running fiesty, so it's already enabled. I provided the link so he has a better understanding of the repositories in general.
[01:43] <uga> enjoi1216: just follow it until the end where it says "enable the features you want" or similar. one of the features is "universe"
[01:43] <uga> is it that hard?
[01:43] <waylandbill> enjoi1216: it's enabled by default in fiesty.
[01:44] <enjoi1216> wayland please just for one minute
[01:44] <enjoi1216> uga continue please
[01:44] <uga> enjoi1216: it's just that. Follow the instructions until the end, and enable universe
[01:44] <uga> it's the only thing you need to do ;)
[01:45] <uga> if you can't understand something in concrete, just point us to it, and we'll discuss
[01:45] <uga> but there's no point in describing all steps that have already been written down
[01:45] <waylandbill> to which I have to say that the fact that the site references enabling universe may mean that it has not been maintained in a bit and therefore caution should be used.
[01:46] <waylandbill> at the very, very least backup all your data before attempting to manually defrag. That's the point that needs to be stressed.
[01:46] <uga> waylandbill: well, the application remains still same
[01:46] <emilsedgh_> Jucato: what are plans for 8.04, do you know/report/wish anything?
[01:46] <Jucato> other than LTS? nope
[01:47] <waylandbill> uga: that's true, but it's hard to predict changes in the system that the application may not have been written to handle.
[01:48] <uga> waylandbill: you're saying adept is broken? =)
[01:48] <waylandbill> uga: no. I meant the defrag program. I hope adept isn't broken. lol
[01:48] <emilsedgh_> Jucato: what you wish to see in kubuntu? (asking because you, st-din and people who support others know issues better that everyone)
[01:48] <uga> ah heh
[01:48] <nosrednaekim> heh.... slashdot is down :)
[01:49] <uga> waylandbill: when I said application is same, I was referring to adept and the instructions to enable universe
[01:49] <uga> not to defrag
[01:49] <waylandbill> uga: I understand that now. :-D
[01:49] <Jucato> emilsedgh_: um.. too many to mention... and probably offtopic. I did mention one in my blog post though :P
[01:50] <waylandbill> Jucato: where's your blog located?
[01:50] <Jucato> waylandbill: on Planet KDE and Planet Ubuntu :)
[01:50] <Jucato> (seriously)
[01:50] <waylandbill> :-S
[01:51] <emilsedgh_> Jucato: hope that they will be fixed too :P
[01:51] <nosrednaekim> you know what I want? I want smarter users ;)
[01:52] <Jucato> don't!! we'd be out of a job
[01:52] <uga> oh damn, you guys get paid for _this_? I want too! =)
[01:52] <Jucato> heh I wish!
[01:53] <Minnozz> Hi, I installed a new DVD writer yesterday, but it isn't in /media . how can I 'add' it there?
[01:53] <emilsedgh> lol
[01:54] <waylandbill> Jucato: I like the Why KDE entry.
[01:54] <Jucato> waylandbill: thanks :)
[01:54] <nosrednaekim> Minnozz: is there a DVD in it?
[01:55] <Minnozz> nosrednaekim: Well, I have already used it to burn a dvd with, but in /media is only 'cdrom0' (I have 2 drives), and cdrom0 becomes the writer if I insert a disk in it (or so)
[01:55] <uga> nosrednaekim: devices don't turn up in media:/ unless there's something in them
[01:55] <uga> neither dvds/cds nor CF readers, etc
[01:56] <nosrednaekim> uga: I know... thats why I was asking if there was a DVD/cd in it.
[01:56] <Minnozz> I tried it with an audio cd in the dvd drive and a game disk in the writer, but still only 'cdrom0'
[01:56] <uga> nosrednaekim: ouch, sorry, wrong nick =)
[01:57] <uga> nosrednaekim: just pop in your latest Vista DVD, you'll see a popup window arise. Open it, and you'll see it in media:/. At that point, open k3b, and overwrite the Vista DVD with something more usable ;)
[01:57] <nosrednaekim> uga: no thanks!
[01:57] <uga> ouch, again,...
[01:57] <waylandbill> Jucato: not only is there sometimes too many options, some screen resolutions make the options bigger than the window and you could miss that there is a scrollbar. That's the rough edge I've noticed. I'm sure it can frustrate a new user that never saw the dialog before.
[01:58] <uga> gotta train typing.... Mi...
[01:58] <uga> nosrednaekim: okay... that's more strange. It sounds like the device isn't configured
[01:58] <uga> nosrednaekim: do you have devices like /dev/cdrw...
[01:58] <uga> more than one of them?
[01:59] <Jucato> waylandbill: yeah.. terrible ain't it? :)
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> I DON"T HAVE A PROBLEM :)
[01:59] <Minnozz> lol xD
[01:59] <uga> arf!
[01:59] <Jucato> !caps
[01:59] <ubotu> PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[01:59] <Jucato> :P
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> Minnozz: try manually mounting it.
[01:59] <uga> Minnozz: : do you have devices like /dev/cdrw...
[01:59] <nosrednaekim> Jucato: thank you very very much.
[01:59] <Minnozz> uga: there's 'cdrom' and 'cdrw'
[02:00] <waylandbill> Minnozz: when you insert a disc, kde should bring up an actions dialog. does that happen?
[02:00] <uga> uhm.. that sounds like a single detected drive
[02:00] <Minnozz> waylandbill: yes it does
[02:00] <uga> oh
[02:00] <uga> Minnozz: what if you pop CDs into both drives
[02:00] <uga> do you see the two?
[02:00] <uga> I thought the drive wasn't working, but if actions pop up, it means it is
[02:01] <uga> nosrednaekim: btw, finally I managed typing the correct nick. hoooray
[02:01] <Minnozz> uga: I tried it yesterday with an audio cd and a data dvd, but the audio cd didn't show up in /media (but maybe that's normal?)
[02:01] <waylandbill> Minnozz: if you put a data cd in and say open in new window to that dialog, it should appear in media://  .. I don't know if an audio cd would appear there.
[02:01] <uga> Minnozz: even the audio CD should turn up. You can open them and it'll show like ogg files inside
[02:01] <nosrednaekim> uga: tab completion...
[02:01] <waylandbill> Minnozz: it would appear on the desktop though.
[02:02] <uga> waylandbill: they do for me (audio cds)
[02:02] <Minnozz> waylandbill: it does appear on the desktop
[02:02] <uga> nosrednaekim: n<tab> doesn't give me Minnozz though ;)
[02:02] <uga> nosrednaekim: stupid irc client :P
[02:03] <waylandbill> uga: I had a feeling they did, but wasn't positive. :)
[02:03] <nosrednaekim> lol
[02:03] <Minnozz> hmm this is strange
[02:04] <Minnozz> 2 data dvd's, one shows up as 'cdrom0' and the other as 'PCGP_DVD109', which is the title (both in /media)
[02:04] <Minnozz> is that supposed to happen?
[02:05] <uga> Minnozz: yeah, it will identify as the DVD's name if it's got one
[02:05] <Minnozz> ok, then the 'problem' is solved, thanks all =)
[02:05] <uga> just like, if you plug a CF card it'll read like "EOS Camera"
[02:06] <enjoi1216> uga i tried those instructions on that webpage and i only get 2 steps of everything completed and then when i klik manage repositories i don't even have the same screen as it has in the webpage
[02:07] <uga> enjoi1216: ignore the screen on the webpage then. Under manage repositories, you should see the "universe" option
[02:07] <uga> just enable it
[02:08] <nosredna_ekim> Evolution2: sorry, internet crash
[02:08] <nosredna_ekim> Evolution2: can't PM now... did you do that?
[02:10] <Minnozz> I had another question, yesterday when I finished burning a DVD from an image, the drive opened but couldn't close anymore. Is that a software error or a hardware failure?
[02:10] <enjoi1216> no uga because when i klik on adept i don't have a universe option
[02:11] <uga> enjoi1216: are you in the manage repositories dialog?
[02:11] <sn00py> hi! i installed samba on kubuntu 7.10 and shared one of my folders. when i try to access my notebook from windows i need to enter a loginname and password
[02:11] <sn00py> what is it?
[02:11] <enjoi1216> i'm in adept manager right now
[02:11] <sn00py> i didn't set any in samba
[02:11] <waylandbill> enjoi1216: K-Menu, System, Adept. Enter password. Adept menu, manage repositories, kubuntu software. Enable the universe entry.
[02:12] <uga> waylandbill: bet a beer that won't work ;)
[02:12] <waylandbill> enjoi1216: then after that, close the software sources dialog and click fetch updates.
[02:13] <enjoi1216> waylandbill thats the whole problem
[02:13] <enjoi1216> i can't do anything to enable universe
[02:13] <uga> waylandbill: see?
[02:13] <waylandbill> uga: depends on the brand of beer if I take that bet. :)
[02:13] <enjoi1216> i feel like a dog chasing it's tail in circles it's just a little bit annoyying
[02:14] <uga> enjoi1216: you just didn't read the options in that dialog
[02:14] <waylandbill> enjoi1216: do you see the checkbox for universe in that dialog?
[02:14] <uga> universe option is there
[02:15] <Minnozz> Is there a command to open the dvd drive tray?
[02:15] <uga> Minnozz: eject
[02:15] <enjoi1216> yes i do wayland
[02:15] <enjoi1216> now what do i need to do
[02:15] <waylandbill> Minnozz: right click the icon on the desktop and select eject.
[02:16] <waylandbill> enjoi1216: is the checkbox checked (with an X in it)
[02:16] <Minnozz> waylandbill: eject isn't in the list
[02:16] <nosredna_ekim> Minnozz: eject /dev/cdrom
[02:17] <enjoi1216> i'm getting ready to check it
[02:17] <waylandbill> Minnozz: you could press the eject button on the drive itself. Kde will auto unmount it and eject it.
[02:17] <Minnozz> waylandbill: that doesn't work...
[02:17] <emulation> Hi, I don't know how but I can not see my wireless network interface in KNetworkManager, is there a comment to take it back
[02:17] <sn00py> I try again :) I shared a folder on linux with samba. Now I try to acces it through Windows. I have to enter a username and a password, what is it? I didn't set any password in samba!
[02:17] <uga> Minnozz: gimme a second. Popping-in a CD myself
[02:17] <enjoi1216> ok i checked it now what
[02:18] <enjoi1216> do i klik close or reset
[02:18] <waylandbill> Minnozz: interesting. nosredna_ekim's advice will work though. :)
[02:18] <waylandbill> enjoi1216: close. and don't forget to fetch updates
[02:18] <JimmyDee> umm snoopy try your username and password for your unix logon
[02:18] <adz21c> sn00py: have you set samba to share access not user access?
[02:18] <Minnozz> nosredna_ekim: thanks, worked!
[02:18] <Minnozz> (the name was different though)
[02:18] <nosredna_ekim> :)
[02:19] <uga> Minnozz: right click->Actions->eject
[02:19] <uga> should be there
[02:19] <enjoi1216> and now it tells me the information about available software is out of date what do i do now wayland bill
[02:19] <sn00py> Where can I set it to "share" acces?
[02:19] <adz21c> sn00py: what gui you using to configure samba?
[02:19] <uga> enjoi1216: press "fetch updates"
[02:19] <uga> on the main dialog
[02:20] <enjoi1216> uga i know that but to close that flag out uga do i need to close or reload it
[02:20] <sn00py> I configure it in the "system settings" men
[02:20] <uga> enjoi1216: close what flag?
[02:20] <enjoi1216> and it also says in that flag that i need a working internet connection
[02:21] <uga> enjoi1216: to enable universe you don't need to reload
[02:21] <uga> just close the dialog, and fetch updates
[02:21] <sn00py> i could also change it with the console but i don't know which file
[02:21] <enjoi1216> because when i kliked the universe check box heres what it said
[02:21] <uga> enjoi1216: you have a working internet connection right?
[02:21] <uga> else how are you connecting to irc
[02:21] <enjoi1216> The information about available software is out-of-date
[02:21] <enjoi1216> To install software and updates from newly added or changed sources, you have to reload the information about available software.
[02:21] <enjoi1216> You need a working internet connection to continue.
[02:21] <enjoi1216> thats the flag i'm getting uga
[02:21] <adz21c> sn00py: I don't know where you look in the config files. Do you have the kde controll center on your menu?
[02:22] <uga> enjoi1216: say okay
[02:22] <uga> and press fetch updates
[02:22] <enjoi1216> and my internet connection is working
[02:22] <uga> so just go on
[02:22] <uga> it doesn't say "ERROR", right?
[02:22] <eugenio> ciao facendo gli aggiornamenti a gutsy mi  uscito questo errore
[02:22] <enjoi1216> i can choose close or reload
[02:22] <uga> enjoi1216: whichever
[02:22] <enjoi1216> which one do i select uga
[02:22] <uga> enjoi1216: close will not update, reload will update
[02:23] <uga> if you dont' update, then you can do so through "fetch updates"
[02:23] <enjoi1216> okay i told it to reload
[02:23] <sn00py> Yes I cann also configure it with the KDE controll center
[02:23] <enjoi1216> now uga do i need to repeat the process after the system updates itself
[02:24] <uga> enjoi1216: no, just search for the defrag package
[02:24] <adz21c> under internet and network, access samba, then its security there
[02:24] <uga> enjoi1216: select it, press install, and then press "apply" on the toolbar
[02:24] <uga> you're done
[02:24] <adz21c> sn00py: under internet and network, access samba, then its security level there,  select share
[02:25] <enjoi1216> okay i'm going to go ahead and reinstall it since i messed up the first time i installed it
[02:25] <sn00py> found it thx!
[02:26] <adz21c> sn00py: gd gd :-)
[02:28] <Minnozz> ] hydrairc
[02:29] <Minnozz> (sorry wrong window)
[02:29] <enjoi1216> ok uga now how to i find and run this program
[02:30] <uga> enjoi1216: as I said before, open a console and type "man defrag". I can't help from this point on, because I don't have it installed myself, and it's discouraged to run it anyway
[02:33] <waylandbill> enjoi1216: I would not recommend running on a mounted drive, especially the partition containing the operating system that is currently running.
[02:34] <waylandbill> enjoi1216: if you don't understand what it is doing and how it does it, I don't recommend running it at all.
[02:34] <Stilo> hello!
[02:35] <nosredna_ekim> hola?
[02:35] <nosredna_ekim> !
[02:36] <Stilo> im using kubuntu and my fav browser is firefox. Is it normal, that the Buttons under the "search line" are blurred?
[02:36] <enjoi1216> i'm just rying to find the program waylandbill
[02:40] <waylandbill> enjoi1216: the source code has defrag.c, so the executable would likely be 'defrag'\
[02:41] <turborobban> hi can any one tell me a working flash player for 64bit kubuntu thx
[02:41] <adz21c> turborobban: most common way is to install a 32bit browser
[02:41] <adz21c> turborobban: I got it working in x64 konqueror but its a bit hacky
[02:41] <nosredna_ekim> turborobban: use nspluginwrapper
[02:41] <turborobban> ok
[02:41] <turborobban> will check that out m8
[02:43] <enjoi1216> waylandbill i entered it in the command line
[02:43] <enjoi1216> i typed defrag\
[02:43] <enjoi1216> and then it said this
[02:43] <enjoi1216> >
[02:43] <LjL> !paste
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[02:44] <enjoi1216> and thats the only symbol that i got after that i didn't know what else to type in order to get it to work
[02:44] <LjL> enjoi1216: well, of course, because \ is an escape character. if you don't type anything after it, it prompts
[02:44] <LjL> hit ctrl+c to go back to your shell prompt
[02:44] <uga> turborobban: http://www.linux.com/articles/55380
[02:44] <uga> that should help
[02:45] <enjoi1216> ok but what to i type LjL
[02:45] <enjoi1216> because if i type defrag
[02:45] <Chai_Sangeen> hello everyone....
[02:45] <LjL> enjoi1216: i have no idea since i don't know what you want to do. i joined when you were already on this.
[02:46] <enjoi1216> it says it can't determine the filesystem
[02:46] <turborobban> thx <uga>
[02:46] <waylandbill> enjoi1216: probably because you are running your operating system on that filesystem.
[02:46] <LjL> enjoi1216: be kind and start from the beginning please. you're trying to defragment a partition? which partition? why? is the partition mounted? is the partition ext3?
[02:47] <waylandbill> enjoi1216: you probably would have to use sudo.
[02:47] <enjoi1216> yeah it's ext3
[02:47] <LjL> and ruing your mounted filesystem? sure.
[02:47] <LjL> ruin even
[02:47] <LjL> enjoi1216: is it mounted?
[02:47] <enjoi1216> i think so how do i mount it if it isn't
[02:48] <LjL> enjoi1216: it must NOT be mounted
[02:48] <LjL> otherwise you'll trash your data
[02:48] <LjL> enjoi1216: which partition is it?
[02:48] <enjoi1216> i don't know LjL
[02:48] <Chai_Sangeen> just installed kubuntu 7.04 from the live cd on my macmini... everything worked well.  i also installed it twice on a another machine. installation says it was successful but one i reboot i don't see grub.. just a flashing cursor. can anyone help?
[02:48] <LjL> enjoi1216: you... don't know?
[02:48] <waylandbill> LjL: I've explained that the kernel does this automatically and using a manual one from 1998 is probably a bad idea. And I said to backup everything first.
[02:48] <LjL> you're trying to defragment a partition, but you don't know which?
[02:49] <LjL> waylandbill, the kernel doesn't do it automatically to be honest
[02:49] <enjoi1216> i'm defragmenting the operating system thats installed on this hard drive
[02:49] <enjoi1216> and the only OS thats installed on this hard drive is linux
[02:49] <LjL> enjoi1216: and you're *running* that operating system right now?
[02:49] <enjoi1216> and that is all
[02:49] <waylandbill> LjL: I've also explained that using the program without knowing what it does and how it does it is not a wise idea as well.
[02:49] <enjoi1216> yes
[02:49] <enjoi1216> i am
[02:49] <enjoi1216> i'm running on my desktop
[02:49] <enjoi1216> surfing the web
[02:50] <LjL> waylandbill, not putting any blame on you, but enjoi1216, if you defragment a partition you are using, YOU WILL LOSE YOUR DATA
[02:50] <LjL> if you REALLY want to defragment it (but there is most likely absolutely no need to), start from a Live CD
[02:50] <enjoi1216> but how so
[02:50] <LjL> enjoi1216: because ext3 does not support online defragmentation.
[02:50] <enjoi1216> ok and how do i do that
[02:50] <LjL> enjoi1216: by putting a live CD in your drive and booting it?
[02:51] <Chai_Sangeen> it used to run ubuntu 7.04 and i never have any issues with installation..
[02:51] <enjoi1216> ok and what do i put in there
[02:51] <Chai_Sangeen> please if anyone can help me out.
[02:51] <LjL> enjoi1216: ...?
[02:51] <enjoi1216> i mean how do i defrag
[02:51] <enjoi1216> once i insert a live cd i don't understan d
[02:51] <LjL> enjoi1216:  sudo defrag /dev/partitionname . you'd certainly have to find out the partition name first.
[02:51] <LjL> enjoi1216: type  mount  to see.
[02:53] <enjoi1216> i'm not getting anywhere ljl
[02:53] <waylandbill> LjL: the filesystem is designed to reduce fragmentation was really my point. I didn't mean there is a process that goes and defragments.
[02:53] <enjoi1216> i need to know what to do so you can tell
[02:53] <LjL> waylandbill: that one is true, yes
[02:53] <LjL> enjoi1216, i thought i just had.
[02:54] <enjoi1216> ljl please work with me please don't be confusing
[02:54] <wersdaluv> should alien be ran as root?
[02:54] <Jucato> !alien | wersdaluv
[02:54] <ubotu> wersdaluv: RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[02:54] <enjoi1216> on the first line it says
[02:54] <Jucato> but yeah, I think it needs to be run withsudo
[02:54] <wersdaluv> ok.. thanks
[02:55] <jpatrick> or fakeroot
[02:55] <LjL> enjoi1216, i strongly believe you should NOT do this. that said, type  mount  and pastebin the output.
[02:56] <enjoi1216> it said on the first line that it said rw errors and was = to remount
[02:56] <LjL> enjoi1216: what?
[02:57] <LjL> please, just *pastebin* what it's saying *exactly*
[02:57] <LjL> !paste
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[02:58] <enjoi1216> ok now what syntax should i klik on teh downlist arrow
[02:59] <LjL> enjoi1216: it doesn't matter
[02:59] <jpatrick> enjoi1216: doesn't matter
[03:00] <LjL> enjoi1216: what matters if that you give me the resulting URL
[03:00] <LjL> if=is
[03:01] <enjoi1216> ok ljl i'm going to copy this to you line by line
[03:01] <LjL> ...
[03:02] <enjoi1216> enjoi1216@enjoi1216:~$ mount
[03:02] <jpatrick> enjoi1216: use the pastebin
[03:03] <enjoi1216> proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)
[03:03] <enjoi1216> varrun on /var/run type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=0755)
[03:04] <enjoi1216> varlock on /var/lock type tmpfs (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,mode=1777)
[03:04] <enjoi1216> procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[03:04] <enjoi1216> udev on /dev type tmpfs (rw,mode=0755)
[03:05] <LjL> runlevelten: *shrug*
[03:05] <enjoi1216> devshm on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw)
[03:05] <enjoi1216> devpts on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620)
[03:05] <LjL> just how many darn virtual filesystem do you have
[03:05] <enjoi1216> lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw)
[03:06] <LjL> jpatrick, leave him please, or we'll never get around to making him not destroy his partition
[03:06] <enjoi1216> binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw)
[03:06] <runlevelten> !pastebin
[03:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:06] <enjoi1216> enjoi1216@enjoi1216:~$
[03:06] <LjL> enjoi1216... you also have /
[03:06] <enjoi1216> and that is everything lJl
[03:06] <LjL> you have omitted that
[03:06] <LjL> no, it is not
[03:07] <enjoi1216> thats all that it posted
[03:07] <volcano> Salut^
[03:07] <enjoi1216> why would i sit up here and lie to you
[03:07] <enjoi1216> thats all that was on that file
[03:07] <LjL> enjoi1216: i don't know, but i know you have a root partition
[03:07] <LjL> it's not a file
[03:07] <enjoi1216> ok
[03:07] <enjoi1216> so is it safe of unsafe to do this
[03:08] <volcano> ya Til un FR?
[03:08] <LjL> enjoi1216: unsafe.
[03:08] <LjL> !fr | volcano
[03:08] <ubotu> volcano: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:08] <waylandbill> it should be listed first before the proc even.
[03:08] <enjoi1216> i know that but i'm saying based on the information i gave you
[03:08] <waylandbill> very unsafe.
[03:08] <LjL> enjoi1216: you did not give me any information, since all i wanted was the single line that is not in the output
[03:09] <LjL> enjoi1216: type  df | grep /$  and give me the output
[03:09] <waylandbill> enjoi1216: mount | grep ext3
[03:14] <enjoi1216> anyway thta error i gave you is a line and here is the rest of it
[03:14] <enjoi1216>  55296988   2610444  49877584   5% /
[03:15] <runlevelten> enjoi1216: Are you going to use pastebin this time like a normal person?
[03:15] <LjL> enjoi1216: troll.
[03:15] <enjoi1216> i do not know
[03:15] <LjL> you have, of course, skipped the first column of the output of that.
[03:15] <waylandbill> LjL: yes. I figured that.
[03:15] <LjL> fool me once
[03:15] <LjL> shame on you
[03:15] <LjL> fool me twice
[03:15] <LjL> shame on me
[03:19] <waylandbill> LjL: he probably feels proud now. ;-)
[03:21] <LjL> waylandbill: he should, he's made me realize that my filesystem is full of errors
[03:21] <LjL> i wouldn't have run fsck if it weren't for him
[03:21] <LjL> (was intending to use it to show him that his drive is not fragmented)
[03:22] <LjL> (and was later intending to make him run defrag in read-only mode)
[03:22] <LjL> but then again, he doesn't really want to defragment anything
[03:22] <runlevelten> tbh I'd just give them something that'll make their disk tick for a bit if they insist on "defragging" an ext3 fs
[03:22] <runlevelten> find ~ > /dev/null & for i in `seq 1 100`; do clear && echo "Defrag. You will have negligible disk fragmentation on your ext3 file system when this script completes" && echo "Working: $i % Done" && sleep 1; done
[03:23] <LjL> runlevelten: well, defrag *does* have that effect in any case
[03:23] <JimmyDee> tick tick rick
[03:23] <ubuntu_> !de
[03:23] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:23] <runlevelten> ^ Save that to "defrag.sh" heh :)
[03:24] <LjL> runlevelten: more blinkenlighten little jedi, more blinkenlighten. a percentage figure is not enough.
[03:24] <runlevelten> I did think turning #'s into [ ] 's might help :)
[03:25] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[03:25] <JimmyDee> increaser blinkenlightzen factor to 100
[03:26] <runlevelten> Hello BluesKaj
[03:26] <BluesKaj> hi runlevelten
[03:27] <emilsedgh> welcome back BluesKaj
[03:28] <BluesKaj> thx emilsedgh
[03:28] <waylandbill> hiya BluesKaj
[03:28] <BluesKaj> hey waylandbill
[03:29] <DevideZero> when kubuntu gusty (7.1) stable will be released for 32bit ?
[03:29] <runlevelten> thanks BluesKaj
[03:29] <JimmyDee> will it ever be stable?
[03:30] <BluesKaj> Oct 18
[03:30] <DevideZero> JimmyDee , i dont think so . . .
[03:30] <runlevelten> Ooh, speaking of release dates, I may go and play etqw demo. :) later all
[03:32] <BluesKaj> emilsedgh, I'm a retired old guy who still plays drums in a band on weekends , hence : Blues and my swedish given name is Kaj , but I live in Canada  :)
[03:32] <poison--> mornin guys
[03:33] <BluesKaj> hi poison--
[03:33] <poison--> sup Blue
[03:33] <DevideZero> BluesKaj , the default kubuntu 7.10 desktop willbe kde 4 ?
[03:33] <BluesKaj> not much poison--
[03:34] <BluesKaj> DevideZero,no kde 3.5.7
[03:34] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: its nice to know all you guys, really :)
[03:34] <BluesKaj> this is a cool room ,emilsedgh
[03:35] <emilsedgh> BluesKaj: and, friendly (oh, Jucato will kick us out of here, we are in offtopic :D)
[03:36] <BluesKaj> DevideZero, the KDE development is mostly independent of any kubuntu releases due to it's use on other LInux OS's as well
[03:36] <BluesKaj> yeah, the offtopic cops are always around
[03:37] <JimmyDee> as nwa said ...
[03:39] <JimmyDee> awwww my music laptop just took a dump, kubuntu people please help me
[03:39] <emilsedgh> jimmacdonald: whats the problem?
[03:42] <kahamri> Where does an external hard drive mount? I thought it used to just show up on the desktop, but it does not.
[03:42] <kahamri> Is it supposed to go to /mnt?
[03:43] <Lunar_Lamp> It will be in /media
[03:43] <Lunar_Lamp> (I've never had anything automatically mount in /mnt when using ubuntu)
[03:43] <kahamri> hmm, well then i dont believe it's mounting
[03:44] <kahamri> when i plug it in, it comes up "view these files" when i do that, no window opens
[03:44] <kahamri> only thing in /media is cdrom cdrom0 floppy and floppy0
[03:48] <BluesKaj> kahamri, usb outboard drive?
[03:49] <DevideZero> i have found 2 bug ( 1 in kde , second in kopete ) what i need todo ?
[03:50] <BluesKaj> Mounting an External USB Drive in Linux: http://www.netshiftmedia.com/netshift/archives/2006/09/15/mounting-external-usb-drive-linux.php
[03:51] <kahamri> thanks guys
[03:51] <kahamri> yeah it's a usb outboard drive
[03:51] <karol> hi
[03:52] <BluesKaj> hi karol
[03:57] <poison--> damn, my 36 ports hub just died
[03:58] <abominius> RIP
[04:26] <fulat2k> hi folks, is this the proper channel to report kubuntu gutsy beta problems?  or does it go to #ubuntu+1?
[04:26] <CharlieKane> !gutsy
[04:26] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[04:26] <fulat2k> got it.  thx
[04:26] <CharlieKane> ah
[04:26] <CharlieKane> :)
[04:30] <lupin__> ciao
[04:31] <lupin__> sto diventando matto con k3b
[04:31] <Jucato> !it | lupin__
[04:31] <ubotu> lupin__: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[04:31] <CharlieKane> !english
[04:31] <ubotu> The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[04:32] <CharlieKane> ah
[04:32] <Jucato> :)
[04:32] <lupin__> sorry! tought i was in kubuntu-it!
[04:33] <lupin__> someone could help me with k3b?
[04:33] <CharlieKane> I'll try
[04:34] <lupin__> it's very slow
[04:34] <CharlieKane> slow burning ?
[04:34] <lupin__> yes
[04:34] <lupin__> i've a samsung dvd-burber
[04:34] <CharlieKane> on cd's or dvd's ?
[04:34] <lupin__> cd
[04:34] <lupin__> the best is 4x
[04:35] <lupin__> the burner buffer goes full and empty
[04:36] <lupin__> on xp works perfectly
[04:36] <lupin__> 40x
[04:36] <CharlieKane> hmm sorry I dunno...
[04:37] <lupin__> i've tried ide-scsi, but no luck
[04:37] <CharlieKane> using kubuntu ?
[04:38] <lupin__> yep
[04:38] <CharlieKane> ok
[04:38] <lupin__> feisty
[04:39] <CharlieKane> lupin__: this might help: http://k3b.plainblack.com/message-board/slow-burns-and-a-fix#4dbXOcDso7rwXOdkOGXEzw
[04:42] <lupin__> reading
[04:44] <Dr_willis> ide-scsi is like way outdated now a days I thought.
[04:45] <CharlieKane> yes I would think so
[04:46] <lupin__> disabled kded. trying to burn
[04:47] <florin> hi
[04:48] <ubunturos> !hi | florin
[04:48] <ubotu> florin: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[04:49] <ubunturos> hey dhq_,
[04:49] <dhq_> ubunturos, hey
[04:49] <lupin__> no, it's the same
[04:50] <BluesKaj> lupin__, what are you trying to burn ?
[04:51] <lupin__> an iso
[04:51] <lupin__> very small
[04:51] <lupin__> 50 mb
[04:51] <lupin__> g4l (ghost for linux)
[04:53] <dhq_> how do i block range of ports with iptables
[04:54] <BluesKaj> ok lupin__ , will the burner work ok on other apps ...if you have a cdrw , you can try that without wasting cdrs
[04:56] <BluesKaj> !iptables | dhq_
[04:56] <ubotu> dhq_: Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[04:56] <RytmenPinnen> this may seem like a lame question but where can I acces the trash can
[04:57] <alejandro> hi
[04:57] <Jucato> RytmenPinnen: isn't it on your panel by default? at the far right of the screen?
[04:57] <BluesKaj> RytmenPinnen, right click on the app you want to delete..the dialog box will have a "move to trash" option
[04:58] <amigo> hi ppl! how to configure apt to using wget to downloading packages?
[04:58] <alejandro> hi
[04:58] <alejandro> i need a simply dhcp server that
[04:58] <RytmenPinnen> It was once but I think i've removed it by mistake somehow, sometime, I normally dont use it but I figured I have tons of tons of stuff in there
[04:58] <alejandro> listen on eth0:1
[04:58] <alejandro> and aply an ip
[04:58] <llutz> alejandro: dnsmasq
[04:58] <alejandro> ok
[04:58] <Jucato> RytmenPinnen: you can either type in Konqueror "trash:/"
[04:58] <alejandro> thanks
[04:58] <RytmenPinnen> I just learned that you can do trash --empty to empty it
[04:59] <RytmenPinnen> ah
[04:59] <Jucato> RytmenPinnen: or put it back on your panel: right-click on the panel -> Add Applet to Panel -> Trash
[04:59] <RytmenPinnen> Well, I already deleting the stuff in it, I had 4 gigs in there :S ....... aah, yes that's what I wanted, thanks
[05:01] <RytmenPinnen> aaah, now I understand why I couldn't do that earlier(I tried what you said) but it seems that I've locked the panels so I coudn't edit it /me is blind
[05:03] <Jucato> :)
[05:03] <arsenio__lupin> sorry, my connection was down
[05:03] <nonewmsgs> hows it going boies and ghouls?
[05:08] <Artimus> Under the Screensavers section in kcontrol, I don't have any screensavers listed.  They are still installed, "Euphora" is still running after a few minutes on my computer.  They're just not listed.
[05:10] <volcano> FR
[05:11] <volcano> svp puis je avoir le lien pr lirc FR
[05:11] <BluesKaj> Artimus, you should be able to change the settings by choosing desktop, then slideshow/setup/fileyou-want-to-use
[05:11] <volcano> #kubuntu-Fr
[05:11] <volcano> cest sa?
[05:11] <NickPresta> !fr | volcano
[05:11] <ubotu> volcano: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:12] <BluesKaj> cest ca
[05:12] <Artimus> BluesKaj: The list is blank
[05:13] <BluesKaj> Artimus, do you have an image folder of pics you want to use in the screensaver?
[05:19] <Artimus> ...  no
[05:19] <Artimus> kcontrol says I don't have any screensavers
[05:19] <Artimus> As in, the ones that should come with the kubuntu-desktop deb are missing
[05:33] <DexterF> hi
[05:33] <wightstraker> Hey
[05:33] <DexterF> tried printing from gimp, failed. tried printing a text file with lpr - failed: no standard target available.
[05:33] <DexterF> what's tihs?
[05:33] <DexterF> I'm in a hurry and need to rpint something, all other apps print fine.
[05:33] <earl_> hello guys. I'm running the kubuntu 7.10 beta. just wanted to report that the restricted driver installer is pretty cool,
[05:33] <earl_> made my ATI card work in a hurry
[05:34] <earl_> but it had no such success with my wireless chip.
[05:34] <earl_> which remains ineffectual.
[05:34] <emilsedgh> !hi | DexterF
[05:34] <ubotu> DexterF: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[05:34] <emilsedgh> earl_: so please report the bug :)
[05:34] <earl_> i dunno if it has anything to do with me having dist-upgraded, as opposed to a clean install, but my dell 1390 wireless card still doesn't work
[05:34] <earl_> how do i go about doing that
[05:34] <wightstraker> earl_: Think it will make my iMac actually display 1440x900?
[05:35] <earl_> probably... mine's running 1280x800 right now without problems.
[05:35] <earl_> not a imac though.
[05:35] <wightstraker> It thinks my graphics card is from outer space
[05:35] <earl_> no the graphics card works beautifully
[05:35] <earl_> which is weird 'cause it hought the ATI xpress series wasnt supported by linux
[05:36] <wightstraker> Where there's a will there's a way
[05:36] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. is there a 'network switch' or hub that can run off of usb power? That would be handy for work....
[05:37] <Ashfire908> how do you show the main window in amarok
[05:38] <earl_> actually
[05:38] <earl_> what's a good number for glxgears to report?
[05:39] <drcox> hi ther
[05:39] <drcox> e
[05:39] <shadowspider> Can anyone help a beginner, whom is about to install Ubuntu on a partition on his Packard Bell machine running Linux????
[05:39] <drcox> does anyone  know how to print with an epson CX5400  ?
[05:39] <drcox> which cups driver do I have to use ?
[05:41] <tsdgeos> drcox: www.linuxprinting.org
[05:44] <earl_> i'm trying to mount an external hard drive in dolphin and it gives me the following error: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[05:44] <earl_> how do i fix that
[05:44] <shadowspider> Anyone with the partition help or can you point me in right direction???
[05:44] <shadowspider> Please
[05:46] <speaker219> Gparted
[05:46] <shadowspider> Gparted?
[05:47] <poison--> !gparted
[05:47] <pag> !gparted | shadowspider
[05:47] <poison--> wicked bot
[05:48] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[05:48] <ubotu> shadowspider: please see above
[05:48] <shadowspider> Can I run it on linux before I install a dual boopt of Ubuntu? Are my Vista + files and folders safe?
[05:49] <shadowspider> Thanks: Pag, ubotu, speaker219 and poison
[05:49] <poison--> yes
[05:49] <poison--> np
[05:49] <pag> np :)
[05:49] <Jucato> it's always a good idea to backup your important files and folders
[05:50] <shadowspider> Great. And (sorry for all these questions) but what should I be aware of before installing, partitioning and using Dual boot. Ps, how long would my first linux ful backup take?
[05:50] <Ashfire908> i put amarok into that small mode how do i get the main window back
[05:51] <earl_> i'm trying to mount an external hard drive in dolphin and it gives me the following error: hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid 1000, how do i mount it
[05:51] <Jucato> Ashfire908: right-click on the Player window or press Win+P
[05:51] <ksivaji> Jucato i need your help
[05:52] <dhq> strigideamon what is this
[05:52] <Jucato> dhq: strigi is a desktop search app. like beagle for GNOME
[05:52] <Jucato> ksivaji: what is it?
[05:52] <ksivaji> Jucato i wnat to browse my bro system file(xp ) from ubutnu connected via switch
[05:52] <Jucato> networking stuff... I don't know those. sorry
[05:53] <ksivaji> ok
[05:53] <dhq> Jucato, well it is taking like 94 % of my system memory just upgraded to gusty and it is sucking processor
[05:53] <BluesKaj> Jucato, i preferred the old "locate" command
[05:53] <coreymon77> ksivaji: is that file ntfs?
[05:53] <Jucato> dhq: yeah it's a bit buggy right now. but hey, it's beta...
[05:53] <ksivaji> coreymon77 yes
[05:53] <Jucato> BluesKaj: preferences preferences preferences :)
[05:53] <BluesKaj> hehe
[05:53] <Jucato> locate is still there btw
[05:53] <coreymon77> ksivaji: well then thats gonna be slightly difficult
[05:54] <Jucato> but strigi's designed to be more powerful and flexible... but for KDE 4...
[05:54] <ksivaji> coreymon77 tell me what to do let me try
[05:54] <dhq> Jucato, could it be like it is taking that much processor cauz its searching through the files
[05:55] <ksivaji> coreymon77  i have ssh but i cant login into his system
[05:55] <Jucato> dhq: it shouldn't. but that's the bug...
[05:55] <coreymon77> ksivaji: sorry, dont know
[05:55] <dhq> Jucato, should i kill it or let it continue
[05:56] <Jucato> you can kill it
[05:56] <Jucato> I murder it at least once a day :)
[05:56] <Jucato> or more if I'm feeling happy
[05:56] <JimmyDee> kill kill kill
[05:56] <dhq> Jucato, haha :)
[05:56] <dhq> Jucato, i will kill him now :P
[05:56] <earl_> does anyone have a clue why my ex. hard drive isn't mounting?
[05:56] <Jucato> dhq: kill him next time you reboot too
[05:57] <JimmyDee> know why my ex wife isnt....
[05:57] <Jucato> er...
[05:57] <dhq> Jucato, :)
[05:58] <ksivaji> earl_  try to mount from terminal
[05:59] <waylandbill> woo hoo. got my iptables set up to nat, but filter all packets from myspace. :)
[06:00] <earl_> first of all i dont know how to do that, but i've fixed the problem, it was set to mount as user and i unchecked that option in dolphin and now it works
[06:00] <BluesKaj> earl_, does the drive show up in storage media ?
[06:00] <dhq> the tapping on mu mouse pad doesntwork
[06:01] <BluesKaj> ok
[06:01] <earl_> yeah it does, it just wasn't mounted.
[06:01] <earl_> i unchecked mount as user and it works fine now
[06:01] <earl_> as an aside, my windows partition of my internal HD worked fine. i only had problems with the external
[06:02] <dhq> Jucato, do you use a laptop
[06:02] <BluesKaj> yeah, external HDDs can be finicky
[06:02] <Jucato> dhq: I have one yes
[06:02] <Jucato> but currently in the process of upgrading to gutsy as we speak
[06:02] <Daisuke-Laptop> good morning
[06:03] <JimmyDee> DaisyDuke!
[06:03] <dhq> Jucato, well which one is it
[06:03] <Jucato> ohayo Daisuke
[06:03] <BluesKaj> Jucato, network upgrade ?
[06:03] <Jucato> dhq: what do you mean which one?
[06:03] <dhq> Jucato, model
[06:03] <Jucato> BluesKaj: regular upgrade through adept
[06:04] <Jucato> dhq: Twinhead EFIO!121i
[06:04] <dhq> well ok
[06:04] <dhq> Jucato, i was having some problem do you use synaptics drivers
[06:04] <BluesKaj> Jucato, I assume you edited the sources.list first ?
[06:05] <Jucato> dhq: hm.. not that I'm aware of... just worked out of the box
[06:05] <Jucato> BluesKaj: manually? nope. adept manager
[06:05] <dhq> Jucato, well i am screwed as my tapping doesnt work
[06:05] <Jucato> on gutys?
[06:06] <Jucato> well, we'll see tomorrow...
[06:06] <wightstraker> Are there any good media server clients for Kubuntu?
[06:06] <wightstraker> I'd like a movie box for my living room
[06:06] <wightstraker> And Kubuntu would be preferred
[06:06] <dhq> Jucato, well its there when i was using fiesty also
[06:06] <Jucato> dhq: oh... never had a problem in feisty
[06:07] <dhq> Jucato, well have to read more on synaptics :)
[06:07] <dhq> Jucato, where did you get the repos for gusty
[06:08] <Jucato> dhq: for the laptop, I just followed the upgrade guide. basically everything's automated by adept manager and the upgrade tool
[06:08] <dhq> Jucato, ok
[06:08] <Jucato> wightstraker: take a look into mythbuntu and ubuntustudio
[06:08] <Jucato> !mythbuntu
[06:08] <ubotu> Mythbuntu is an Ubuntu derivative centered upon setting up a standalone MythTV system. See: http://www.mythbuntu.org for more information
[06:08] <Jucato> !ubuntustudio
[06:08] <ubotu> UbuntuStudio is a site for the artist who wishes to use Ubuntu as their Digital Audio Workstation. It contains all the best parts of Audio/Graphical/Visual components from the Ubuntu repositories, and extra! Available at http://ubuntustudio.org Or visit #ubuntustudio
[06:09] <Jucato> hm..
[06:09] <wightstraker> Fantastic, thanks
[06:09] <Jucato> wightstraker: there's another one that I'm sure is KDE-based. LinuxMCE. but not sure if we have a repo for that
[06:09] <dhq> Jucato, but i must say the guys at kubuntu really do a gr8 job as there are not much bugs like when i had upgraded from drapper to edgy
[06:10] <Jucato> it's getting better and better. it's not perfect yet, but it's getting there :)
[06:10] <wightstraker> Jucato: I'll poke around, I definitely would prefer KDE
[06:10] <rickey> man  have i ever made a mess of my desk top
[06:11] <rickey> is there a command that will set it back to defult?
[06:11] <JimmyDee> parted?
[06:11] <JimmyDee> oops this aint offtopic
[06:11] <Jucato> tsk
[06:12] <Jucato> rickey: what's the problem? might just need a couple of files to rename/move/delete
[06:12] <wightstraker> http://www.news.com/Microsoft-extends-Windows-XPs-stay/2100-1016_3-6210524.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-20&subj=news
[06:12] <rickey> i am running kubuntu 7.04
[06:13] <rickey> no i was messing around in setting
[06:13] <dhq> rickey, but wats the problem
[06:13] <Jucato> rickey: yes. and settings are all saved in single files (per app)
[06:13] <Jucato> so the solution might be to just delete/move/rename those affected files
[06:13] <DaSkreech> dhq: Don't forget that you guys at Kubuntu includes you as well :)
[06:13] <Willabee> can anyone help me with activating USB speakers?
[06:13] <rickey> window to big
[06:14] <dhq> DaSkreech, :) thanks i feel big
[06:14] <Jucato> rickey: how is it too big? maximized? or the resolution?
[06:14] <rickey> max
[06:14] <rickey> ooooooooooo waite it6 is over sized
[06:14] <dhq> Jucato, huh
[06:15] <dirtbag666> hi there
[06:15] <dhq> Jucato, y
[06:15] <dhq> oh
[06:15] <JimmyDee> youre so big
[06:15] <dhq> :)
[06:15] <Jucato> ...
[06:15] <Jucato> :P
[06:15] <dhq> Jucato, :P
[06:16] <dirtbag666> Problem with 7.04 feisty: I'm running on KDE/Beryl/Emerald and if I start my girlfriend's account as a new session, it crashes after a while trying to restart
[06:16] <dhq> hey if i wanted to work for kubuntu where would i apply
[06:16] <Jucato> rickey: all windows? can't you click on the restore button (beside the minimize button)?
[06:16] <Jucato> dhq: you mean paid work?
[06:16] <dhq> Jucato, well for a living
[06:16] <DaSkreech> dhq: paid work?
[06:16] <Jucato> um.. well Canonical... but..
[06:17] <dhq> DaSkreech, well i guess so
[06:17] <rickey> let me explane this better
[06:17] <Jucato> there's only one developer hired by Canonical that works on Kubuntu
[06:17] <Jucato> rickey: yes please
[06:17] <dhq> Jucato, ok
[06:17] <Jucato> so we can try to help better
[06:17] <DaSkreech> regardless You'd start off in #kubuntu-devel unless you have overtly obvious mad skills and FOSS sensitivity
[06:17] <rickey> i dint like the way the defult setting looked
[06:18] <rickey>  so i messed with  them
[06:18] <DaSkreech> And even then we'd want you to start there otherwise you'd just get thrown into Ubuntu
[06:18] <DaSkreech> Jucato: I thought there was two
[06:18] <rickey> can no matter what i do i cant get them back rigth
[06:18] <DaSkreech> and one contractor
[06:18] <dhq> rickey, nothing is messed till you cant get in the gui am i not riye Jucato
[06:19] <Jucato> DaSkreech: who would be the other one?
[06:19] <dhq> err rite
[06:19] <DaSkreech> Ahhh Tm_T was it?
[06:19] <Jucato> O.o
[06:19] <Jucato> DaSkreech: nope. only Riddel
[06:19] <rickey> is there not a command that will put it all back rigth or defult
[06:20] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Oh! You know what it was
[06:20] <Jucato> ??
[06:20] <DaSkreech> He was hired to work on Kubuntu but not by Canonical so yeah you are right
[06:20] <Jucato> yeah I know who that is. but I did say "by Canonical" :)
[06:20] <Jucato> rickey: so you only messed with the windows?
[06:20] <Jucato> that and only that?
[06:21] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Who was it?
[06:21] <Jucato> DaSkreech: Tonio
[06:21] <DaSkreech> Right knew it started with T :)
[06:21] <DaSkreech>  Yeah brain fart
[06:21] <rickey> yes i went into setting and messed with look and felll
[06:22] <Jucato> rickey: ok
[06:22] <Jucato> hm...
[06:22] <Jucato> kinda hard to guess... :(
[06:22] <Jucato> to guess what was affected...
[06:23] <rickey> i could reinstall
[06:24] <rickey>  but that sucks
[06:24] <Jucato> nah don't
[06:24] <Jucato> rickey: you could try this. I can't guarantee it will work because I'm only working based on the details you gave
[06:24] <Jucato> can you still run other apps?
[06:24] <Jucato> like Konsole?
[06:24] <rickey> sence i am on dail up , it realy suck
[06:25] <rickey>  like it takes two day to up daye
[06:25] <rickey> date
[06:25] <Jucato> you don't need to reinstall
[06:25] <Jucato> can you still run other apps?
[06:25] <Jucato> run Konsole now
[06:25] <rickey> yes
[06:25] <Jucato> or better yet, Konqueror
[06:25] <ardchoille> I thought you had to install either compiz or beryl to get translucency in windows and menus for kde.
[06:25] <rickey>  wen i can get to the bottom of the page
[06:25] <ardchoille> I was wrong.
[06:26] <Jucato> ardchoille: there's kompmgr for KDE
[06:26] <Jucato> been there for ages...
[06:26] <Jucato> (and beta for ages....)
[06:26] <soulrider> !printing
[06:26] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[06:26] <Jucato> rickey: are you in Konsole or Konqueror now?
[06:26] <ardchoille> Jucato: Yes, I discovered that.
[06:26] <Jucato> rickey: bottom of what page?
[06:27] <ardchoille> Jucato: http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/274/trnslcntrk0.jpg
[06:27] <rickey> yea pages are way to big
[06:27] <rickey> i am not in konsole
[06:28] <Jucato> DaSkreech, or anyone who can, please help rickey.....
[06:28] <Jucato> so my brain isn't working
[06:28] <rickey> jucato i went into look and fell in setting and messed with suff
[06:29] <Jucato> do you remember what stuff?
[06:29] <rickey> almost everything by now
[06:29] <Jucato> rickey: I'm having trouble understanding what is messed up right now.
[06:29] <Jucato> basically because I can't obviously see your desktop
[06:30] <Jucato> and the only description you could give me is "it's messed up" or "too big".... so...
[06:30] <rickey> ok most pages i can use  the top , but i cant get to the bottom
[06:31] <rickey> well thanks anyway guy
[06:32] <rickey>  i dont apperseat it
[06:32] <rickey> i mean i do
[06:38] <stamen> hi
[06:38] <stamen> when will be the official release of gutsy gibon
[06:39] <llutz> oct 18
[06:39] <stamen> soon :)
[06:39] <stamen> does anybody use the beta release
[06:39] <davity> buenas
[06:40] <stamen> which is on the web site
[06:40] <davity> tengo un "ligero" problema
[06:40] <stamen> davity: engl. ?
[06:41] <uga> !es | davity
[06:41] <ubotu> davity: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:41] <uga> argh. Too late
[06:45] <stamen> who knows how to check network configuration in slackware, but in console ?
[06:45] <stamen> I know that here are kubuntu users, but just asking
[06:45] <stamen> :)
[06:52] <BluesKaj> !it | abominius
[06:52] <ubotu> abominius: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[06:52] <abominius> !ok | BluesKaj
[06:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ok - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:55] <earl_> hey again fellas. so i typed iwlist scan into a terminal
[06:55] <earl_> and got a bunch of information on the networks around me
[06:55] <earl_> but knetworkmanager doesn't show anything, at all.
[06:55] <earl_> so i can't really uh, use any of these networks.
[06:55] <earl_> what gives?
[06:57] <poison--> lmao
[06:59] <earl_> is knetwork manager just really really buggy?
[07:02] <AV1611> greeting to all!
[07:02] <BluesKaj> earl_, does knetwork manager show in the panel ?
[07:02] <AV1611> kubuntu, the last beta...
[07:02] <BluesKaj> hi AV1611
[07:02] <AV1611> apt-get install vim-full
[07:02] <AV1611> gives the following output
[07:03] <AV1611> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:03] <AV1611> vim-full: Depends: libbonoboui2-0 (>= 2.15.1) but it is not going to be installed
[07:03] <micken> hello
[07:03] <AV1611> and on, and on....
[07:03] <earl_> yeah it is in the panel
[07:03] <BluesKaj> AV1611, post it on pastebin
[07:03] <poison--> install libbonoboui2-0
[07:04] <AV1611> what is pastebin (excuse me)?
[07:04] <earl_> blueskaj: if i click on it, it comes up with a window labeled "Device" that says no device active,
[07:04] <poison--> !paste
[07:04] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:04] <earl_> blueskaj: if i right click on it, the top option is "Manual configuration..." i know that's not how its supposed to look.
[07:04] <micken> I just did install 7.10 on my mac mini , but I have no sound , everything seems to be there but it doesn't work
[07:05] <micken> alsamixer works
[07:05] <BluesKaj> earl_, are you looking for a wireless or wired conection ?
[07:05] <poison--> did u check if there isnt nutin muted?
[07:05] <micken> nutin ?
[07:05] <poison--> earl_, whats the nic brand and model?
[07:05] <earl_> i'm connected by a wired connection right now, but knetworkmanager doesn't even mention that. but yes, the end goal is wireless
[07:05] <AV1611> here it is - http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39036/
[07:05] <poison--> nutin = nothing
[07:06] <earl_> wireless: Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM94311MCG wlan mini-PCI
[07:06] <poison--> hummm
[07:06] <poison--> tried ndiswrapper?
[07:06] <earl_> wired: Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401-B0 100Base-TX
[07:06] <micken> seems ok
[07:06] <earl_> iwlist scan shows all the local wireless networks. my driver is working.
[07:07] <earl_> and i'm obviously online right now, using my wired connection.
[07:07] <earl_> that driver is working.
[07:07] <poison--> ohh
[07:07] <poison--> can u connect with wireless?
[07:07] <earl_> i don't know how. knetworkmanager doesn't give me an option to
[07:07] <earl_> although i guess theoretically i could, since it's reporting accurate informatino about these networks
[07:07] <BluesKaj> earl , one never knows how ppl are online ..it's not as obvious as you think
[07:08] <BluesKaj> !wireless | earl_
[07:08] <ubotu> earl_: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:09] <BluesKaj> !broadcom
[07:09] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:09] <micken> the kernelmodules is there , muting is ok , but no sound  ..
[07:10] <poison--> earl_, try the manual configuration
[07:11] <earl_> not an option. i cannot be bothered to be typing in ip addresses and default gateways and ssid's and such every time i move from place to place.
[07:11] <earl_> i need it to work automatically, and i dont think that's too much to ask considering my computer has all the information it needs.
[07:11] <BluesKaj> micken, have you configured kmix as well
[07:11] <BluesKaj> ?
[07:12] <micken> BluesKay: yes
[07:12] <poison--> earl_, u can always install other network manager
[07:12] <sfire> I get this when trying to play enemy territory "/dev/dsp: Device or resource busy -- Could not open /dev/dsp"  anyone know of a fix?
[07:12] <earl_> for example?
[07:13] <BluesKaj> micken, make sure the kmix switches and inputs are setup, they can be a bit tricky
[07:13] <volcano> #kubuntu-FR
[07:13] <turborobban> hi sorry if i jump in here but is there any chance that i can get my wirless mx5000 logitech to work on kubuntu 64bit to work? thx for any replay
[07:14] <volcano> le FR svp
[07:14] <volcano> FR
[07:14] <jhutchins> !wireless | turborobban
[07:14] <ubotu> turborobban: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:14] <BluesKaj> sfire, will your dvdp play any dvds at all ? if not ,install libdvdcss2
[07:14] <jhutchins> turborobban: ^ everything we know.
[07:14] <micken> BluesKay: it's all setup
[07:14] <sfire> BluesKaj: its a game
[07:15] <BluesKaj> same goes for games , sfire
[07:15] <sfire> oh ok
[07:15] <chook> #kubuntu-fr
[07:15] <HanzZ> hm.. In latest Feisty update nvidia driver doesn't work... has somebody same problem as me?
[07:15] <poison--> earl_: kwlan
[07:15] <sfire> BluesKaj: already installed
[07:16] <earl_> i'll give that a shot.
[07:16] <BluesKaj> !nvidia | HanzZ
[07:16] <ubotu> HanzZ: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:16] <poison--> earl_ : http://wifi-radar.systemimager.org/
[07:16] <DaSkreech> earl_: Kinda
[07:16] <earl_> kinda...?
[07:18] <BluesKaj> sfire, libxine-extracodecs, ffmpeg
[07:18] <HanzZ> i have drivers installed and in old kernel they works, but after kernel upgrade not
[07:18] <poison--> hanzz, try envy
[07:19] <DaSkreech> earl_: Is the wireless on in the knetworkmanager?
[07:19] <BluesKaj> HanzZ, check for new drivers
[07:19] <HanzZ> BluesKaj: yes.. i'm installing them now
[07:19] <sfire> BluesKaj: I didn't have ffmpeg.. installed that and still no go :(
[07:20] <earl_> it should've been. although i think installing kwlan might've gotten rid of knetworkmanager, so i dunno. let me try that.
[07:22] <earl_> the only available option is "disable wireless"
[07:22] <earl_> so i'd say it's enabled
[07:22] <DaSkreech> ok
[07:24] <earl_> is kwifimanager any good?
[07:25] <uga> earl_: last time I used it in my kubuntu lappie, the GUI was so very badly designed, but worked just fine
[07:26] <uga> whoever designed it isn't best at graphics nor usability guidelines ;))
[07:26] <earl_> yeah it doesn't seem to be working very well for me
[07:27] <earl_> brb
[07:27] <HanzZ> hm.. i don't know :)
[07:28] <HanzZ> FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia
[07:28] <HanzZ> but linux-restricted-modules-generic is installed and nvidia-glx-new also..
[07:28] <HanzZ> kernel 2.6.20-16-generic
[07:28] <poison--> <sfire, sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[07:30] <HanzZ> and in /lib/linux-restricted-modules/$KERNEL/ i have directories nvidia, nvidia_legacy,nvidia_new ... so modules are there :)
[07:35] <poison--> <HanzZ, did u try Envy?
[07:35] <BluesKaj> !envy
[07:35] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[07:35] <HanzZ> no
[07:36] <klobster> no envy. envy bad...
[07:36] <BluesKaj> HanzZ, good :)
[07:36] <bjacob> hey, about to upgrade from feisty to gutsy.... is this reasonably safe or are there big known issues?
[07:36] <bjacob> i mean, upgrade not fresh-install
[07:37] <dannioni> gutsy is pretty stable, running beta now, but I don't know about the upgrade part
[07:37] <BluesKaj> bjacob, not sure , i'll let you know in a couple of hrs...using adept to upgrade to gutsy as we speak
[07:38] <BluesKaj> dannioni, upgraded to gutsy ?
[07:40] <DaSkreech> bjacob: Bit broken right now
[07:41] <sfire> poison--: already installed
[07:41] <sfire> I think it may have something to do with a program locking the /dev/dsp file
[07:41] <sfire> how would I check what is using it?
[07:41] <dannioni> BluesKaj: No fresh install
[07:41] <poison--> really dunno sfire
[07:42] <sfire> the one guy online I found said he got it to work by disabling ESD ? what is that?
[07:42] <BluesKaj> how is it running dannioni ?
[07:43] <dannioni> just fine, I had some hardware problems, had to use ndiswrapper and modify alsa a bit but otherwise, hadn't had any crashes yet :)
[07:43] <Solifugus> How can I make konqueror show all folders in info list view, instead of that stupid, useless, default icon view??
[07:44] <BluesKaj> sfire, try this in the konsole if you have a locked install ; sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[07:45] <BluesKaj> cool dannioni , not worried about wireless
[07:46] <dannioni> BluesKaj: Great for you :P, since none of the problems were in kubuntu itself I'd say it's rather stable
[07:47] <BluesKaj> dannioni, glad to hear that :)
[07:47] <bjacob> DaSkreech: ok thanks. i made up my mind in favor of a fresh install :)
[07:48] <DaSkreech> bjacob: If you are like me that's a good thing every 5 or so upgrades
[07:48] <DaSkreech> It's getting so that I can crash Vista pretty reliably now
[07:49] <JimmyDee> thats a plus
[07:49] <BluesKaj> i have a wireless capability (speedstream router), but I'm happy with wired setup since we're not using laptops on our little network
[07:50] <boris> #ubuntu-hr
[07:52] <BluesKaj> BBL, gents and gentilles ...stuff to do
[07:52] <uga> DaSkreech: I bet that didn't take you much effort
[07:52] <DaSkreech> uga: I've got it down to playing an MP3 now
[07:53] <uga> ugh, no wonder. mp3? you pushed the OS too hard
[07:53] <uga> lest make it .txt for now
[07:53] <uga> s/lest/lets
[07:53] <poison--> lmao
[07:53] <uga> and maybe in a couple versions it'll be able to open *.rtf
[07:54] <DaSkreech> Well I just crashed it with a powerpoint
[07:54] <uga> heh
[07:54] <uga> DaSkreech: did you try installign openoffice for windows? =)
[07:54] <DaSkreech> THat's what crashed it
[07:54] <DaSkreech> OO.o is fine
[07:54] <uga> lol
[07:55] <DaSkreech> Vista is screwed though
[07:55] <poison--> vista is a big screwup
[07:55] <otzku> Indeed.
[07:56] <GUMMM> which is more difficult to learn, c++ or java
[07:56] <Interfere> Hello! Anybody russian?
[07:56] <PaBLoX> i've some problems running the live-cd of kubuntu feisty... someone can help me?
[07:56] <uga> !ru | Interfere
[07:56] <ubotu> Interfere:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[07:56] <GUMMM> wats ur problem
[07:57] <poison--> <PaBLoX, WHATS THE ISSUE?
[07:57] <adz21c> GUMMM: I found them both about the same
[07:57] <PaBLoX> it hangs up when it is going to start the graphic server
[07:57] <GUMMM> java and c++??
[07:57] <adz21c> GUMMM: yup
[07:58] <DaSkreech> GUMMM: They aren't that different
[07:58] <GUMMM> so which is easier to learn
[07:58] <adz21c> GUMMM: in difficulty to learn i mean
[07:58] <DaSkreech> Java is chattier but that's about it
[07:58] <poison--> <PaBLoX, laptop?
[07:58] <GUMMM> about the livecd   umm. try ubuntu 7.04
[07:58] <PaBLoX> yes
[07:58] <uga> PaBLoX: after "hanging", can you switch to terminal mode? ie, ctrl+alt+f1
[07:58] <uga> or f2
[07:58] <poison--> u need to disable ACPI
[07:58] <adz21c> GUMMM: well neither is harder, imo
[07:58] <poison--> acpi=off
[07:58] <poison--> !boot
[07:58] <GUMMM> thanx adz. i know java and i wanted to know if c++ is any tougher
[07:58] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[07:58] <otzku> Boot options ACPI = off
[07:59] <PaBLoX> nop, i cant switch to another terminal
[07:59] <DaSkreech> GUMMM: To learn no. To master maybe
[07:59] <poison--> no need, just press "ESC" while booting and edit the boot line
[07:59] <GUMMM> hmm thanx all
[07:59] <PaBLoX> ok... i can press f6 in the menu
[07:59] <PaBLoX> and had that parameter?
[07:59] <poison--> reboot the laptop, when the msg with black background apears, press "ESC"
[07:59] <PaBLoX> *add
[07:59] <poison--> yes, add: acpi=off
[08:00] <poison--> if it works, try after: acpi=off apm=on
[08:00] <PaBLoX> ok...
[08:00] <PaBLoX> im going to try
[08:00] <poison--> :D
[08:00] <PaBLoX> but, tell me
[08:00] <PaBLoX> that will give me problems later?
[08:01] <PaBLoX> *doing that
[08:01] <DaSkreech> From the Live CD?
[08:01] <poison--> no
[08:01] <DaSkreech> Naw reboot fixes all :)
[08:01] <poison--> whats the laptop brand?
[08:01] <DaSkreech> breaks all too but that's not a half full thought
[08:01] <PaBLoX> is a compaq f545l
[08:02] <PaBLoX> but i dont get what is the problem...
[08:02] <poison--> well, try dat thing, install kubuntu, it might work fine after the install
[08:02] <poison--> usually a bios upgrade fixes some acpi issues
[08:02] <PaBLoX> ok hope that works
[08:02] <PaBLoX> hmm
[08:02] <PaBLoX> i've notice that  bios update
[08:02] <poison--> PABLOX, acpi manages alot of stuff in laptops, and its not 100% supported by linux
[08:03] <PaBLoX> =(
[08:03] <PaBLoX> yes i've seen that
[08:03] <poison--> if u disable acpi, probably your wireless wont work
[08:03] <PaBLoX> =S
[08:03] <poison--> and battery management too
[08:03] <PaBLoX> hmm
[08:03] <PaBLoX> i cant do that...
[08:03] <poison--> but u can always disable acpi and use apm, almost the same
[08:04] <PaBLoX> hmm
[08:04] <uga> poison--: does apm still work nowadays?
[08:04] <poison--> i had a few issues with asus laptops, but apm works fine
[08:04] <poison--> yes, and a swiss knife
[08:04] <poison--> :D
[08:04] <poison--> as*
[08:04] <PaBLoX> is going to be supported some day??
[08:04] <poison--> sometimes apm deals better with some new laptop models
[08:05] <poison--> it is supported, but not on all laptops
[08:05] <poison--> i have a headache every week with laptops
[08:05] <poison--> i get 3-5 diferent models per week
[08:05] <poison--> not all of them work 100%
[08:05] <PaBLoX> hmm
[08:06] <PaBLoX> it'll be a better solution to update the bios first?
[08:06] <poison--> yes
[08:07] <PaBLoX> and why the problem is when its starting the graphics server?
[08:08] <PaBLoX> it has something to do with the graphics card?
[08:08] <uga> heh, I really can't undesrtand it either. if the driver works I don't see a reason why it should lock up the whole OS
[08:09] <uga> PaBLoX: have you tested the gutsy CD?
[08:09] <poison--> cause when os trys to load network, it uses acpi
[08:09] <poison--> and it freezes to death
[08:09] <uga> poison--: that happens earlier than X startup
[08:09] <poison--> depends
[08:09] <PaBLoX> hmm...
[08:09] <poison--> with the alternate it happens just when it starts to load
[08:10] <PaBLoX> there's a way to know EXACTLY what is the problem?
[08:10] <poison--> im pretty sure its acpi
[08:10] <uga> PaBLoX: anyway, give it a try to disabling acpi. Did it make it boot right?
[08:10] <uga> I doubt so
[08:10] <PaBLoX> i mean, i can read...
[08:10] <PaBLoX> *cant
[08:10] <otzku> I had the same problem when i was installing with the live CD and acpi=off worked just fine.
[08:11] <PaBLoX> hmm
[08:11] <PaBLoX> anyway
[08:11] <PaBLoX> i'll give a try
[08:11] <uga> otzku: and you had to disable acpi after the install too?
[08:11] <poison--> like i said before, i manage a laptop industry here, i deal with that issue every week
[08:11] <otzku> nope
[08:11] <uga> or did it work
[08:11] <poison--> 99% of the issues are acpi
[08:11] <uga> okay, so it's an issue with the live cd implementation alone
[08:11] <PaBLoX> epidemiology =)
[08:11] <poison--> uga, weird is dat after the install it works fine
[08:11] <otzku> uga: It gave the error: ACPI not found but it started up.
[08:12] <poison--> seems after the install, it writes sumtin dat enable it
[08:12] <uga> poison--: kernels are different, modules too... I've seen same here. Complete different behaviours. Unfortunately you can't trust live CD behavior to say the final install will work or not
[08:12] <poison--> uga, and u have dat issue with almost all distros
[08:12] <uga> dat?
[08:12] <otzku> that :)
[08:12] <uga> oh lol
[08:12] <poison--> tried with knoppix, gentoo, ubuntu, kubuntu, edubuntu, kurumin, etc, etc.. all same error
[08:12] <otzku> Script kiddie talking.
[08:13] <poison--> even fedora
[08:13] <PaBLoX> hmm, i dont get it
[08:13] <uga> poison--: same as with my box. All failed loading the IDE drive etc.
[08:13] <PaBLoX> i installed mandriva in taht laptop without a problem
[08:13] <poison--> like uga said, depends on the distro
[08:13] <uga> poison--: all use the same methodology and similar kernels...
[08:13] <otzku> PaBLoX: Youre using a old PC right?
[08:13] <poison--> seems debian based ones have issues
[08:13] <PaBLoX> nop...
[08:13] <PaBLoX> compaq f565la
[08:13] <otzku> Hmm weird.
[08:14] <poison--> <otzku, my grandaughter teached me dat "dat"
[08:14] <poison--> lmao
[08:14] <otzku> :):)
[08:14] <PaBLoX> why mandriva works and kubuntu don't?
[08:14] <uga> poison--: like first time I tried kubuntu... both debian and *buntu had buggy implemnetations of dhcp. I saw that with so many different versions that I gave up for a long while. All rest distros worked just fine
[08:14] <poison--> true
[08:14] <poison--> had bad issues with ubuntu 6
[08:15] <poison--> kubuntu seems the best atm for me
[08:15] <Solifugus> I am looking for OTS -- the Open Text Summerizer package... OTS comes up with LOTS of packages, how can I narrow them down?
[08:15] <uga> oh, what's that. Something for lazy readers?
[08:15] <poison--> lmao
[08:16] <jhutchins> Does ANYBODY know how to turn off httpd error reporting in logwatch?
[08:16] <uga> poison--: not kidding, I believe that's what it is ;)
[08:16] <uga> poison--: http://libots.sourceforge.net/
[08:16] <uga> yeah
[08:17] <poison--> damn
[08:17] <uga> I wouldn't let any computer decide on what parts of a text are important and what not...
[08:17] <poison--> true
[08:17] <poison--> do dat with my wife
[08:17] <jhutchins> poison--: You are not in the hood here, please watch your language.
[08:17] <poison--> :D
[08:17] <poison--> duh?
[08:18] <poison--> did i miss sumtin?
[08:19] <otzku> Hmm. ACPI shouldnt give problems with newer computers. Expecially HP ones since they developed ACPI.
[08:19] <PaBLoX> aaa
[08:19] <PaBLoX> hate that...
[08:19] <PaBLoX> damen acpi
[08:20] <otzku> Does it give you problems even after the install?
[08:20] <poison--> weird is thta im havin issues with the new santarosa lapies
[08:20] <Solifugus> uga: something for lazy readers and more efficient readers
[08:20] <Solifugus> uga: and especially for automated processes..
[08:20] <Solifugus> The Open Text Summerizer does an amazingly good job.
[08:21] <Solifugus> I have 42 pages of text to summerize.... and no--i don't want to read them.
[08:21] <PaBLoX> im goint to try to run with the "noapic"... but i cant right now... (is my girlfriend laptop =P)
[08:22] <PaBLoX> thanks for your help
[08:22] <uga> Solifugus: doing that with a linux man page is the best way to screw up the whole system (jumping over 'non important' sentences)
[08:22] <uga> I can't really trust any automated system to "read" for me, since those methods are errrm.. unlikely to do any reading comprehension
[08:23] <DaSkreech> Time to clean house!
[08:23] <Solifugus> uga: its really meant for things like news or science articles... and is quite trustable... though, really meant for creating some to help you decide if you want to read the whole thing.
[08:23] <Solifugus> uga: again.. ots does an amazingly good job at summerizing.
[08:24] <uga> Solifugus: science articles are 100% to be read through. if you mean technical articles
[08:24] <uga> if you jump over a single equation, the rest usually doesn't make sense
[08:24] <uga> notice that most authors run into trouble to put the whole text into the limits they are forced to
[08:24] <otzku> Try to learn a programming language by skipping some chapters.
[08:24] <Solifugus> uga: in doing research, first you need to determine what articles are relevent to your needs... you cannot humanly read 100% of everything.
[08:24] <uga> so they summarise as much as they can. Removing a single piece makes no sense on those
[08:24] <zblach> quick question. are the power manager values available from the command line?
[08:24] <Solifugus> uga: the ability to be lazy is a virtue...
[08:25] <uga> Solifugus: filtering articles is one thing. Eating text in them is another ;)
[08:25] <Solifugus> uga: well... that's why its called a summery.. don't take it for something it isn't.  that would be your own fault.
[08:26] <uga> Solifugus: lol. Summary is on top of each article ;P
[08:26] <uga> and at the end (conclusions)
[08:26] <Solifugus> uga: frankly--few people ready whole man pages, anyway....
[08:26] <uga> Solifugus: true. And the rest (99%) come asking here ;)
[08:26] <uga> 366 nicks with trouble :P
[08:27] <Solifugus> uga: techincally, the summary (abstract) is at the top of each.. and the conclusion should not be  a summary..  Summarizing the conclusion sections of hundreds of articles, is something I've been asked to do before...
[08:27] <uga> well, I mean the conclusion is usually shortish, and quite summarises what the authors achieved
[08:27] <Aranel> how can I install Kubuntu on a flash disk ?
[08:28] <otzku> What are the key differences between as and nasm?
[08:28] <JimmyDee> as it appears, an n and an m
[08:28] <JimmyDee> sorry
[08:29] <JimmyDee> attached storage and network attached storage media?
[08:29] <sergio> hello
[08:30] <Daisuke-Laptop> that was a good answer, though
[08:30] <poison--> yo JimmyDee
[08:30] <JimmyDee> ehlo
[08:30] <JimmyDee> attached storage would be something akin to an external hard disk, whereas network attached storage meda would be networked
[08:31] <sergio> is there a conversation spanish?
[08:32] <zblach> sergio: #kubuntu-es
[08:32] <sergio> thaks you
[08:33] <jack__> I have a question about constant HD polling?
[08:35] <sergio> I have problems with compiz fusion. It does not changer
[08:35] <votaguz_> Hi
[08:37] <sergio> please
[09:03] <bert_> Hi all
[09:03] <speaker219> AUSTRALIA OWNS!
[09:04] <bert_> has kubuntu also have an automated way for getting dualscreen working?
[09:07] <maverick> Guys, does anyone recall the konsole command which if u forgot  a command you can type what it does and it proposes list of commands that do the job ?
[09:07] <speaker219> history?
[09:08] <maverick> speaker219: No :d i know i sound crazy, but i just don't recal that command :D for example    XXXXX ip addreses
[09:08] <emilsedgh> maverick: tab key? search history (ctrl+r) ?
[09:08] <maverick> and it lists all the commands that has a thing to do with ip addresses
[09:10] <emilsedgh> i dunno a way of showin all programs that do something with ip address'es...
[09:12] <Scunizi> how do you start a kdm session from the console?  I'm attempting to have gnome in VT7 and kde in VT6 if possible.
[09:13] <maverick> emilsedgh: apropos
[09:13] <maverick> emilsedgh: try typing apropos ip address
[09:13] <ratsel> salve a tutti
[09:14] <maverick> for example
[09:14] <ratsel> italiani?
[09:14] <emilsedgh> maverick: thanks :)
[09:15] <ratsel> c'e' nessuno?
[09:15] <ratsel> potete aiutarmi
[09:15] <ratsel> ho una domanda da fare
[09:15] <maverick> !it
[09:15] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:16] <ratsel> buona sera a tutti
[09:16] <ratsel> potete aiutarmi
[09:16] <ratsel> ho scaricato GoogleEarth per Linux
[09:16] <maverick> !it @ ratsel
[09:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about it @ ratsel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:16] <maverick> !it | ratsel
[09:16] <ubotu> ratsel: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:18] <LjL> ratsel: c' un pacchetto in medibuntu, usa quello, non installarlo a mano. e cmq chiedi in #ubuntu-it
[09:18] <LjL> !medibuntu > ratsel    (ratsel, see the private message from Ubotu)
[09:21] <trompelemonde> hi all, my update manager tells me there's 1 updated package available but when i try to install it adept tells me the confirmation would corrupt the packages information
[09:21] <trompelemonde> can someone help me?
[09:21] <speaker219> Try the "large monkeys" method
[09:21] <trompelemonde> what's that?
[09:22] <speaker219> 1) install windows
[09:22] <trompelemonde> yes, i have it already
[09:22] <trompelemonde> then what?
[09:24] <bert_> hmmm i installed restricted-manager but i can't find it in the menu bar
[09:25] <trompelemonde> is there a way to fix it through the console? i don't know almost any command...
[09:25] <bert_> normally it should be in System -> Administration -> Restricted Drivers Manager, but nothing to see there
[09:25] <trompelemonde> or konsole
[09:25] <trompelemonde> there's no 'Administration' under my System menu either
[09:26] <bert_> i know trompelemonde, but the website in the topic says so: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[09:28] <trompelemonde> thanks a lot anyway, bert_. By the way, does anyone know where can i find tutorials for kubuntu?
[09:28] <bert_> ow did you had the same problem as i trompelemonde?
[09:28] <trompelemonde> which ones?
[09:28] <bert_> oh the last one ;-) with the ATI problem
[09:28] <trompelemonde> i'm not sure but i think so, there's only one left :)
[09:29] <trompelemonde> a solitary package
[09:29] <trompelemonde> hehehe
[09:29] <bert_> ah ic :) wow i have to reboot after install ati drivers, bye bye :-)
[09:30] <trompelemonde> wish i could say the same
[09:33] <jussi01> hmmm, anyone familiar with kde4?
[09:34] <emilsedgh> jussi01: what do you want to know?
[09:35] <jussi01> emilsedgh: When i load into the DE, I dont have any items on the panel, except 2x "this object could not be created. what I want to know is a fix... :9
[09:36] <emilsedgh> jussi01: well, the panel and most of the objects (Plasmoids) are created in a different branch of KDe repositories, they are not there in the Packages and original kde release
[09:36] <jussi01> emilsedgh: ok. do I then need a new repo? or more packages installed?
[09:37] <emilsedgh> jussi01: there is no official package for kubuntu, if you want you can checkout and compile kde repositories from svn, thats a little bit hard for newbie users
[09:38] <emilsedgh> jussi01: or you can install packages from this place:http://khorshid.ut.ac.ir/~s.taghavi/downloads/kde4-trunk/
[09:38] <emilsedgh> jussi01: please remembr that these are un-official and not-tested by me
[09:38] <jussi01> emilsedgh: Thats not a problem. Im not a "newbie"
[09:38] <jussi01> emilsedgh: :)
[09:38] <speaker219> You could also install packages from http://iamalargemonkey.museum/
[09:39] <jussi01> speaker219: are you spammiing?
[09:40] <Avt3kk> hello
[09:40] <jussi01> emilsedgh: So which packages do I then need for the plasmoids?
[09:40] <Avt3kk> I downloaded kubuntu
[09:40] <stuq> damn, i wish there were a way to get gkrellm running inside of a panel
[09:40] <Avt3kk> we going out soon though
[09:41] <Quixogre> Avt3kk: your computer will thank you
[09:41] <Avt3kk> its kubuntu dvd :D
[09:41] <stuq> in fluxbox, it runs in a little pop-out panel
[09:41] <Avt3kk> running from live now
[09:41] <peter_unt> can anyone help me with setting up a blue tooth headset on ubuntu ?:)
[09:43] <Avt3kk> welp im getting ready to go out
[09:47] <trompelemonde> is there a channel for newbies to kubuntu or linux? it seems a certain level of knowledge that i don't have is required here
[09:48] <jussi01> trompelemonde: not at all
[09:49] <trompelemonde> jussi01: thanks for the answer, do you by any chance know any tutorials for kubuntu that i could download?
[09:49] <jussi01> !help
[09:49] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[09:49] <jussi01> hmmm
[09:49] <jussi01> trompelemonde: Have a look on the wiki
[09:49] <jussi01> !wiki
[09:49] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation.
[09:50] <poison--> <trompelemonde, you can also just ask about your doubts here
[09:50] <bjacob> argh -- i upgraded to gutsy to enjoy g++-4.2
[09:50] <ScorpKing> hi poison-- :)
[09:50] <bjacob> there is gcc-4.2
[09:50] <bjacob> there is g++-4.1
[09:50] <bjacob> but no g++-4.2 !
[09:50] <bjacob> packaging bug?
[09:50] <peter_unt> can I get help about setting up bluetooth on ubuntu here?:)
[09:51] <poison--> heyyyyyyyyyy ScorpKing
[09:51] <trompelemonde> well, my updates manager tells me there's one updated package available
[09:51] <umformer> hallo, problem with koqueror and modem
[09:51] <trompelemonde> but adept tells me it would corrupt the packages information, if i installed it
[09:51] <poison--> trompelemond, then open adept and download it
[09:51] <poison--> hummm
[09:51] <poison--> weird
[09:51] <trompelemonde> i got to that part, thanks poison :)
[09:52] <umformer> umpf....
[09:52] <trompelemonde> yes, it is weird. another thing is that i have previously installed two games that i then desinstalled but they keep showing on the kmenu
[09:52] <trompelemonde> i have no idea if this is related
[09:52] <bjacob> grrr
[09:52] <trompelemonde> to the update
[09:52] <Quixogre> i've got a question: i want to dual boot this machine. but i dont want to lose any of my data. is there a way to create a partition at the END of the existing data so i dont lose my OS?
[09:53] <poison--> trompelemond, its a good idea to purge things trough adept
[09:53] <trompelemonde> i desinstalled them with adept
[09:53] <trompelemonde> and still...
[09:53] <poison--> <Quixogre, when u install kubuntu, i can choose to manual make partition
[09:53] <LjL> !gparted | Quixogre
[09:53] <ubotu> Quixogre: GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[09:54] <poison--> <trompelemonde, sudo apt-get install -f
[09:54] <poison--> try dat
[09:54] <peter_unt> bluetooth help anyone ?:*(
[09:55] <Quixogre> poison--so just use gparted to create the new patition for ubuntu?
[09:55] <dhq> can anyone tell me if the site works http://demonoid.com
[09:56] <trompelemonde> poison--: it did something but the problem persists...
[09:56] <fdoving> dhq: not for me. no.
[09:56] <poison--> <Quixogre, did u installed ubuntu already?
[09:56] <dhq> fdoving, what message do you get
[09:56] <Quixogre> another question: im using a gforce 8500 video card. how well does ubuntu support it?
[09:56] <trompelemonde> where can i find a list of these sudo commands and what they do, by the way?
[09:56] <Quixogre> poison, i installed it on my laptop...not on my desktop(this pc)
[09:57] <poison--> ohh
[09:57] <fdoving> dhq: cannnot connect to host.
[09:57] <poison--> and u want to install into the desktop?
[09:57] <dhq> fdoving, thanks
[09:57] <Quixogre> poison, i want to create a new partition on my 250gb hd for linux/ubuntu
[09:58] <dhq> fdoving, are you on gusty
[09:58] <poison--> ok, and does that 250GBHD has any OS?
[09:58] <Quixogre> poison-- is there a way to do that WITHOUT losing my existing windows data?
[09:58] <poison--> yes, always
[09:58] <Quixogre> poison--yes. it has windows xp installed on it
[09:58] <poison--> ok, then just boot with the Live CD
[09:59] <poison--> and Install
[09:59] <Quixogre> poison the ubuntu cd? or the gparted?
[09:59] <poison--> while in instalation, it will ask youi the way u want to partitions
[09:59] <poison--> ubuntu
[09:59] <Quixogre> do i need to defrag or anything before i start?
[09:59] <poison--> no
[09:59] <tv_> how do I make sure my video driver is running properly?  I've checked xorg.conf and the driver is listed as ati.
[09:59] <poison--> nutin
[10:00] <Quixogre> poison, thanks.
[10:00] <Quixogre> bbl. going to install ubuntu on this PC
[10:01] <BluesKaj> tv_, k-menu/system settings/monitor&display/hardware-tab/admin mode/graphics card/configure. Find your card in the list and "apply" , same goes for the monitor, if possible.Click "test". If all is well, logout and back in again.
[10:01] <tv_> BluesKaj: thanks...
[10:02] <ashley_> hi
[10:02] <Quixogre> is there a way to make sure ubuntu supports my video card BEFORE i install?
[10:02] <ashley_> i only just installed Ubuntu, and had no problems :D
[10:02] <poison--> good luck <Quixogre
[10:02] <poison--> <Quixogre, whats your gfx?
[10:03] <Quixogre> poison-- nvidia gforce 8500
[10:03] <poison--> yes, it supports it
[10:03] <Quixogre> correction: 8600 GT
[10:04] <poison--> <trompelemonde, it sa good idea to register on the kubuntu/ubuntu forums
[10:04] <poison--> theres always great help there
[10:04] <poison--> its a*
[10:04] <mike> hi ashley
[10:04] <BluesKaj> !nvidia | Quixogre
[10:04] <mike> well done
[10:04] <ubotu> Quixogre: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:04] <poison--> ?
[10:05] <ashley_> =] 
[10:05] <Quixogre> BluesKaj not installing yet, just wanna make sure its supported BEFORE i install ubuntu. ran into issues with my wireless card on my dell laptop, trying to avoid the same issues here
[10:05] <trompelemonde> poison--: i am registered, thanks, i just forgot about that powerful resource :) i won't bother you anymore, have a wonderful evening, all those close to GMT time :)
[10:06] <poison--> :D
[10:06] <poison--> cheers
[10:06] <ashley_> thought i might listen in on the conversations on an Ubuntu irc server, see if i learn anything
[10:06] <Quixogre> ashley this is a good palce to pick up info
[10:06] <poison--> !hi | ashley_
[10:06] <ubotu> ashley_: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:06] <ashley_> are there any channels involving C programming
[10:06] <ashley_> im currently learning it
[10:06] <poison--> think so
[10:06] <ashley_> c99 standard that is
[10:07] <ashley_> and im glad this OS has GCC
[10:07] <SlimeyPete> ashley_: join ##c
[10:07] <SlimeyPete> iirc
[10:07] <swperman> ubotu: i also have an nVidia video card, but I'm using gutsy (7.10) and the howto (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia) says under "Ubuntu 7.04": If you are using Kubuntu, please follow the instructions for Ubuntu 6.10... So in my case (7.10), do I follow instructions for 7.04 ?
[10:07] <BluesKaj> Quixogre, your best bet is to check the nvidia site for your card and make sure thatthere are linux drivers available for your card
[10:08] <swperman> haha
[10:08] <Quixogre> BluesKaj thanks. will do that now
[10:08] <swperman> didnt know it was a bot ... ops
[10:08] <Quixogre> www.nvidia.com
[10:08] <poison--> lol
[10:08] <ashley_> slimeypete, sure is quiet in ##c
[10:08] <peter_unt> can anyone help me with bluetooth on ubuntu?
[10:09] <poison--> <ashley_: try c++
[10:09] <fred__> bonsoir
[10:09] <poison--> ./j #c++
[10:09] <ashley_> i wanna learn procedural before the step to OO
[10:09] <poison--> !fr
[10:09] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[10:09] <ashley_> thought it might be good practice
[10:12] <adk> Hello, I must send 90k mails and I'm looking at esmtp for that. Is that a good idea?
[10:12] <Quixogre> cool. nvidia supports my gfx in linux. so gonna go afk, and install ubuntu now
[10:12] <poison--> :D
[10:12] <VSpike> Is there any way to resolve the way gnome apps in kde seem to use a totally different scheme for default applications for various file types than KDE?  Very annoying particularly with Firefox & Thunderbird.
[10:14] <emilsedgh> VSpike: go go systemSettigns->Appreance->GTK+
[10:15] <ashley_> what are the paremeters for the /nick command so i can register my nick 'ashley_'?
[10:15] <ashley_> parameters*
[10:15] <poison--> ./nickserv register
[10:16] <ashley_> so would i type /nickserv register ashley_
[10:16] <ashley_> + a password on the end?
[10:16] <VSpike> Like I just downloaded a MOV file, and Firefox tried to open it with totem, which totally borked on it whereas it works fine in kaffeine, which is what I get when I run the file in konqueror
[10:16] <VSpike> emilsedgh: nothing relevant in there, is there?
[10:17] <ashley_> darn ashley_ is already registered -_-
[10:18] <VSpike> it's bad enough that the setting for default email client in KControl->KDE Components->Default Applications seems to be ignored by most apps
[10:18] <ashley1> wooo
[10:18] <ashley1> i think ive successfully registered my nick
[10:19] <ashley1> yay :D
[10:19] <dhq> fdoving, do you use kbluetoothd
[10:19] <VSpike> What with that and the regular kicker crashes, I'm finding lots of small things in kde creating an annoying experience overall at the moment
[10:20] <Sigurney> With Kubuntu is there a way to make it so there is some sort of animation/video in the background at the login screen!?!?
[10:20] <ashley1> is there a command to show your afk at all?
[10:20] <ashley1> you're*
[10:20] <VSpike> ashley1: normally /away <some message>
[10:20] <ashley1> ok
[10:20] <VSpike> ashley1: how to turn it off again depends on client :)
[10:21] <VSpike> ashley1: in konversation, it's /back
[10:22] <VSpike> ah, nice to see that the documentation is still wrong for that
[10:22] <fdoving>  /away with no message usually brings you back.
[10:22] <VSpike> not in konversation it doesn't
[10:22] <VSpike> although the docs says it does :)
[10:24] <VSpike> Arnold's law at work again
[10:25] <VSpike> Arnold's Laws of Documentation: (1) If it should exist, it doesn't. (2) If it does exist, it's out of date. (3) Only documentation for useless programs transcends the first two laws.
[10:25] <satan> hello all
[10:27] <satan> I'm using a Lenovo Thinkpad T60 with an ATI x1300 Mobility Radeon card and I've installed the proprietary ATI driver (fglrx), but i cant set the resolution to 1400x1050, it only goes as high as 1024x768, despits 1400x1050 being the first option in xorg.conf
[10:27] <satan> any suggestions?
[10:27] <poison--> does the thinkpad even support that resolution?
[10:28] <satan> yes it does
[10:28] <satan> according to the literature anyway...
[10:28] <poison--> well, than u should try Envy
[10:28] <poison--> !envy
[10:28] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[10:29] <jussi01> !adeptfix
[10:29] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[10:29] <satan> envy eh
[10:29] <satan> i used the instructions on the wiki, word for word...but no luck
[10:29] <poison--> try envy mate
[10:29] <VSpike> satan: i know the nvidia driver ignores most of what you put in the xorg.conf file, maybe the fglrx one is the same
[10:30] <satan> VSpike: ah i see
[10:30] <satan> ok let me try Envy
[10:30] <VSpike> satan: but there are specific ways to override it.  Try looking at the readme or other docs for the driver to see what options it supports
[10:30] <VSpike> satan: basically it tries to autodetect everything, but sometimes it gets it wrong
[10:30] <ashley1> how come ubuntu names the partitions that have windows xp and the recovery files in them to sda1 and sda2?
[10:31] <satan> VSpike: ok i've been googling this for hours, i'll look around some more
[10:31] <jhutchins> Why would the nvidia driver pay any attention to the xorg conf in the first place?
[10:31] <VSpike> satan: I don't think envy will help, since it only automates the installation of the driver, which it seems like you've already done
[10:31] <satan> VSpike: right, i just read its page
[10:32] <jhutchins> It's a kernel module.
[10:32] <VSpike> ashley1: they are the device names for the drives in linux
[10:32] <VSpike> jhutchins: I'm talking about the proprietary nvidia X11 driver
[10:32] <ashley1> oh right, is it similar to how windows names its devices? (like C: and D:)
[10:32] <VSpike> jhutchins: it has a kernel component sure
[10:33] <jhutchins> So kernel modules get their configs from the modules/modprobe file(s).
[10:34] <VSpike> ashley1: similar in that they are assigned by convention to the partitions, yeah.  IDE drives are hda, hdb, hdc etc.  SCSI or SATA drives are sda, sdb, sdc etc.  Partitions are hda1, hda2, sda1, sda2 and so on
[10:34] <ashley1> ah i see, thanks vspike
[10:35] <VSpike> ashley1: the complication is when you have primary and extended partitions.. primary partitions are 1 through 4, and extended partitions are 5 upwards
[10:35] <VSpike> ashley1: you probably don't need to know that, but anyway, just in case :)
[10:35] <jhutchins> ashley1: sudo fdisk -l will show available partitions.
[10:36] <ashley1> ive got 4 partitions on my hdd, ntfs for winxp, fat32 for recovery, swap partition (for ubuntu, i dont actually understand why) and an ext3 for unbuntu
[10:36] <jhutchins> VSpike: actually, you can have more than 4 primary partitions, but that's all DOS/Windows see.
[10:36] <ashley1> i think theyre all primary
[10:36] <ashley1> not sure
[10:36] <poison--> !swap
[10:36] <ubotu> swap is used to move unused programs and data out of main memory to make your system faster. It can also be used as extra memory if you don't have enough. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq for more info
[10:37] <ashley1> ill have to make good use of this ubotu bot :D
[10:37] <poison--> :D
[10:37] <jussi01> ashley1: be nice to it...
[10:37] <jhutchins> Linux is fine with more than 4 primary partitions.  (So's OS-X.)
[10:37] <ashley1> lol :D
[10:38] <ashley1> so does this swap partition take out the unnecessary stuff from my extended memory?
[10:39] <theblast> Just wonder witch kubuntu package i shall install on a intel pentium m
[10:39] <BluesKaj> ashley1, how much RAM do you have ?
[10:39] <ashley1> 1 gb
[10:40] <BluesKaj> ashley1, then your swap partition will seldom have to be used
[10:40] <ashley1> ah right, what is the recommended RAM when one should use the swap?
[10:40] <BluesKaj> ashley1, a 1-2G swap partition  is plenty
[10:42] <BluesKaj> ashley1, the spill over from  1G of RAM is minimal unless you are gaming or some such data intrensive actitvity
[10:43] <ashley1> I see
[10:43] <ashley1> ive learnt a lot from #kubuntu and ##c today
[10:43] <ashley1> this irc server rocks
[10:43] <biovore> thats the point of freenode I think..
[10:43] <BluesKaj> a lot of your so called "used" RAM in Linux is actaully reserved for Cache so it only appears to be in use
[10:43] <NO_SOUND> my sound quit working. Does anybody know how I could reinstall my sound system?
[10:44] <cdpuk> Hello, trying to connect to wired network, Network Manager says eth0 connected but it never actually gets an IP, any help much appreciated after hours of frustration :/
[10:44] <ashley1> im gonna go, c ya whenever im next on people
[10:45] <fdoving> cdpuk: quit knetworkmanager and try to use 'sudo dhclient eth0' from a konsole.
[10:45] <BluesKaj> NO_SOUND, did you recently upgrade or update some apps , if so just go back into alsa and kmix and reconfigure your settings
[10:46] <biovore> I noticed on gusty the 386 kernel's sound dosn't seem to work on some cards..
[10:46] <cdpuk> fdoving: No responses offered
[10:46] <cdpuk> Strange thing is, this is the same cable I've tried successfully in my laptop
[10:46] <biovore> well explains why knetworkmanger didn't work..
[10:46] <fdoving> cdpuk: check the cables etc.
[10:46] <cdpuk> I've been through 3 different cables now
[10:47] <fdoving> cdpuk: it might be crossed, newer network cards are smart and figure that out.
[10:47] <cdpuk> What might be crossed, fdoving?
[10:47] <biovore> cdpuk: what does mii-tool -v say
[10:47] <NO_SOUND> BluesKaj: Kmix shows nothing. except for a blank drop-box. There's nothing for me to change
[10:47] <fdoving> cdpuk: the cable.
[10:47] <biovore> eth0 have a link..
[10:48] <cdpuk> biovore: Operation not supported on eth0
[10:48] <biovore> as root..
[10:48] <cdpuk> Yep
[10:49] <tim__> hi guys i keep getting this message The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[10:49] <cdpuk> I got "not permitted" then "not supported" as root
[10:49] <NO_SOUND> BluesKaj: I got another error when trying to adjust the volume that said "no GStreamer plugins and/or devices found"
[10:49] <shark> hey
[10:49] <shark> pple
[10:49] <shark> i need hlp
[10:49] <fdoving> !adept fix | tim__
[10:49] <ubotu> tim__: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[10:49] <NO_SOUND> BluesKaj: is there just some way I can reinstall my sound?
[10:49] <biovore> shark: dmesg | grep eth0 show a link?
[10:49] <biovore> cdpuk: I mean
[10:50] <shark> i need audio player for kubuntu
[10:50] <biovore> amarok
[10:50] <cdpuk> biovore: Showing eth0 up, yeah
[10:50] <NO_SOUND> shark: Amarok
[10:50] <shark> wer is it
[10:50] <biovore> multimedia
[10:51] <tim__> I just did it and now result
[10:51] <biovore> cdpuk: you have a dhcpd server on your network your conneting too?
[10:51] <NO_SOUND> Is it possible to have Ubuntu just reinstall the sound portion of my system?
[10:51] <cdpuk> biovore: Yes indeed, 4 other people on this house using it :/
[10:51] <BluesKaj> NO_SOUND, in the konsole : sudo asoundconf list
[10:52] <biovore> NO_SOUND: cat /proc/asound/cards
[10:52] <NO_SOUND> biovore: no such file or directory
[10:52] <biovore> well explains the no sound thing..
[10:53] <biovore> you update your kernel recently?
[10:53] <NO_SOUND> not knowingly, why?
[10:53] <BluesKaj> NO_SOUND, look for a sound card : lspci | grep audio
[10:53] <biovore> well you havn't got any sound drivers loaded atm
[10:54] <BluesKaj> brb
[10:54] <NO_SOUND> biovore: ok. How do I go about installing the correct drivers?
[10:54] <NO_SOUND> BluesKag: 00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1)
[10:54] <NO_SOUND> drat, he's gone
[10:54] <biovore> well the card is there.. but the OS isn't loading the drivers for it for some reason..
[10:55] <jussi01> !tab | NO_SOUND
[10:55] <ubotu> NO_SOUND: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[10:55] <biovore> I had a simular problem on gusty
[10:55] <NO_SOUND> jussi01: thanks. That just saved me a whole lot of time ;)
[10:55] <shark> not gettin sounf
[10:55] <shark> sound
[10:55] <shark> wen m playin song
[10:55] <shark> hlp me out ppl
[10:56] <jussi01> NO_SOUND: :)
[10:56] <biovore> is your sound working?
[10:56] <poison--> shark: sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[10:56] <shark> how do i do dat
[10:56] <poison--> at the console
[10:56] <davubuntu> Hey there. I was wondering if someone can give me a hand with trying to get konqueror to open at start up with two windows and setting their geometry etc.
[10:57] <davubuntu> I tried creating symbolic links and appending the options and putting them in .kde/Autostart but it doesn't work
[10:57] <NO_SOUND> hm. Well, biovore... a while back, I tried to make a live CD out of my Ubuntu install as a favor for my friend. It involved manually messing with stuff in the root directories, and I didn't know what I was doing. It's not unlikely at all that I screwed something up because of that.
[10:57] <shark> m in console
[10:57] <biovore> NO_SOUND: very possibly..
[10:57] <NO_SOUND> biovore: so... I just want to reinstall the whole thing.
[10:58] <poison--> shark: type this in the console: sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[10:58] <NO_SOUND> biovore:  know how to do thjat?
[10:58] <davubuntu> I'm just not sure what is stopping them from launching... other links I have put in there work
[10:59] <shark> Couldn't find package libxine1-ffmpeg
[10:59] <shark> tihs is wat i got
[10:59] <poison--> update your kubuntu first
[11:00] <NO_SOUND> biovore: so, any thoughts?
[11:00] <shark> Building dependency tree... Done
[11:00] <biovore> NO_SOUND: nope.. probably changed something with the kernel so its not starting alsa
[11:00] <biovore> !alsa
[11:00] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:03] <shark> reply
[11:03] <Philistine__> hey how do i get that list of all the channels?
[11:03] <Philistine__> sorry for offtopic
[11:04] <poison--> <Philistine__: /list
[11:04] <Philistine__> thank you
[11:04] <poison--> np
[11:05] <davubuntu> Can someone tell me why ln -s '/usr/bin/konqueror --geometry 1300x1024+380+0 http://www.google.com/reader' in my .kde/Autostart dir won't launch konqueror at startup?
[11:08] <davubuntu> Okay... can anyone suggest a better place for me to try finding out? I wouldn't have a clue what to look for on google and I've read the man pages.
[11:08] <tim__> The document could not be saved, as it was not possible to write to file:///etc/apt/sources.list.           how do i save oit?????????
[11:10] <BluesKaj> tim__, you need permission ..alt+F2 then type your password , then,  kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:10] <BluesKaj> password is always required for editing most files
[11:13] <NO_SOUND> Thank you very much biovore. It works now.
[11:14] <cdpuk> biovore: Fixed my network issue, for future reference, it's something to do with the nVidia MCP51 controller - a full power off and unplug for 5 minutes fixes it...
[11:20] <ashley1> hi
[11:21] <SlimeyPete> hi
[11:21] <ashley1> there are these icons on my desktop and i cant remove them >=[
[11:22] <ashley1> one is an icon of my RECOVERY partition, the other is sda1 (windows xp partition)
[11:22] <poison--> use the console as sudo
[11:22] <poison--> i guess
[11:24] <Russell> hi guys
[11:24] <ashley1> what is sudo used for?
[11:24] <poison--> to run things as root
[11:24] <Russell> how do i change my disply resolution on 7.04? i mean graphically?
[11:25] <ashley1> which parameter is used to remove icons off the desktop?
[11:25] <ashley1> =/
[11:26] <poison--> !sudo
[11:26] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:26] <shark> guys plz help me to play mp3
[11:26] <ashley1> ah i forgot about that bot
[11:26] <ashley1> :D
[11:26] <poison--> shark, already told u how to
[11:26] <shark> stuk in middle
[11:26] <shark> E: Couldn't find package libxine1-ffmpeg
[11:27] <poison--> sudo apt-get update
[11:27] <poison--> reboot machine
[11:27] <ashley1> oh poison i wanted to ask something else too
[11:27] <ashley1> you know that Desktop Effects thing
[11:27] <poison--> check if adept offer any updates and if so, update
[11:27] <ashley1> that makes windows go all wobbly
[11:27] <ashley1> and cool
[11:27] <poison--> Beryl
[11:27] <ashley1> ?
[11:27] <ashley1> well do you know of anything similar to it
[11:27] <poison--> !beryl
[11:27] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:27] <Russell> poison--: how do i change my display resolution?
[11:27] <ashley1> i like these desktop effects
[11:28] <poison--> russel, system settings
[11:28] <mark105> irc://irc.p2p-network.net/pornbits
[11:29] <Russell> poison--:  it's not there on system settings... the "display" option is gone after i updated from fiesty to edgy... now that i upgraded to gutsy, it's still not there
[11:29] <poison--> "updated"?
[11:29] <Russell> poison--: upgraded
[11:29] <poison--> mkay
[11:30] <poison--> edit the xorg.conf
[11:30] <ashley1> poison
[11:30] <ashley1> i recently updated ubuntu
[11:30] <ashley1> and when i restarted
[11:30] <ashley1> i noticed there were two extra options on dual boot
[11:30] <Russell> poison--: yeah that's how i did it, but i want get back the GUI app... did they remove it from system settings?
[11:30] <poison--> no
[11:31] <poison--> u must have some broken package there
[11:31] <poison--> <ashley1, recovery mode
[11:31] <ashley1> oh, is it incase the updates screwed up?
[11:32] <Russell> poison--: anyway to "update" this system settings thingy?
[11:32] <poison--> or u :D
[11:32] <ashley1> i see
[11:32] <ashley1> :D
[11:32] <shark> how do i install flash player
[11:32] <shark> in kubuntu
[11:32] <ForeverZero> Hellow?
[11:33] <ForeverZero> Am
[11:33] <ashley1> poison--: are there two different environments in Ubuntu, one being GNOME and the other KDesktop?
[11:33] <Russell> shark, u better install easyubuntu... it can install the restricted drivers for u
[11:33] <tim__> Whats Hu. ?
[11:33] <Russell> shark: sudo apt-get easyubuntu
[11:33] <jussi01> !u | Russell
[11:33] <ubotu> Russell: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[11:33] <ForeverZero> I_screwed_my_display_I_need_a_nvidia_module_or_something_or_X_won't_start
[11:34] <jussi01> Russell: easyubuntu is dead
[11:34] <Russell> oops
[11:34] <Syufs> How do I install VLC media player for kubuntu? When I installed regular ubuntu (gnome) it was found in the Add/Remove Programs utility but now there isn't much available compared to ubuntu and no VLC.
[11:34] <tim__> U can't kille that has NO life !!
[11:34] <ashley1> LOL
[11:34] <ForeverZero> erhm
[11:34] <jussi01> Syufs: sudo apt-get install vlc
[11:35] <Russell> sudo apt-get install easyubuntu
[11:35] <ForeverZero> Help_me_please!
[11:35] <jussi01> !flash | shark
[11:35] <ubotu> shark: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[11:35] <ashley1> poison are you there?
[11:35] <jussi01> ForeverZero: whats your question?
[11:35] <tim__> How do u UNinstall Waraft 3 ?????
[11:35] <poison--> ashley1, sorry, im gone for the weekend now
[11:35] <ashley1> ah ok
[11:35] <Syufs> jussi01: thx
[11:35] <poison--> take care guys
[11:35] <jussi01> Syufs: :)
[11:35] <poison--> *gone*
[11:35] <ashley1> c ya man
[11:35] <ForeverZero> ..
[11:36] <ForeverZero> Can_YOu_see_my_messages?
[11:36] <ashley1> can anyone else answer my question?
[11:36] <jussi01> ForeverZero: I missed it...c an you tell me again?
[11:36] <jussi01> ashley1: what was your issue?
[11:36] <ashley1> what is the difference between ubuntu and kubuntu, is it KDesktop?
[11:36] <Syufs> So in kde the Adept Manager is the same thing as the Synaptic Package Manage in Gnome?
[11:37] <jussi01> ashley1: ubuntu = gnome, kubuntu =kde
[11:37] <jussi01> Syufs: yes
[11:37] <ashley1> oh right
[11:37] <ashley1> i think im on GNOME
[11:37] <ashley1> Because there isnt an option for KDE at the login screen options
[11:37] <jussi01> ashley1: #ubuntu then
[11:38] <ForeverZero> *waits_patiently_for_an_answer.
[11:38] <Syufs> dang, i wish i would've realized kde was so much cooler than gnome before this
[11:38] <jussi01> :)
[11:38] <ashley1> actually
[11:38] <jussi01> ForeverZero: what was your question?
[11:38] <ashley1> im not sure if i have gnome or kde
[11:38] <ashley1> ;/
[11:38] <ForeverZero> Fin
[11:38] <jussi01> ashley1: do a lot of you apps stat with k?
[11:38] <jussi01> or g?
[11:38] <ForeverZero> I_screwed_my_X_server_It_won't_load
[11:39] <ForeverZero> I'm_using_a_command_line_IRC_client_I_wrote_a_few_days_ago
[11:39] <ashley1> hardly any start with k or g
[11:39] <ForeverZero> Someone_help_me_get_X_going
[11:39] <jussi01> ForeverZero: run: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:39] <ForeverZero> ItOK,_hold_on
[11:40] <jussi01> ashley1: do you have a panel only on the bottom? or both on the bottom and top?
[11:40] <ashley1> both
[11:40] <jussi01> ashley1: you are on gnome, #ubuntu for you
[11:40] <ashley1> ah ok
[11:40] <ashley1> c ya guys
[11:40] <jussi01> see you
[11:40] <jussi01> heh
[11:41] <giordano> Mmm
[11:41] <giordano> Come funziona qui?
[11:41] <jussi01> !it | giordano
[11:41] <ubotu> giordano: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:41] <giordano> Ok, sorry
[11:41] <jussi01> :)
[11:42] <Syufs> so if i want to install beryl or the 3D or whatever it'll be what, sudo apt-get install beryl ?
[11:42] <giordano> So, it's the first time I use this SW
[11:42] <abaqueiro> congratulations
[11:42] <jussi01> !beryl | Syufs:
[11:42] <ubotu> Syufs:: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:42] <abaqueiro> hello everyone here
[11:42] <giordano> Is it a IRC for KUbuntu's wiki and help?
[11:42] <abaqueiro> yes beryl is great in effects, but there are still some problems like watching video in some cases
[11:43] <abaqueiro> yes
[11:43] <jussi01> giordano: yes, we are here for support. how can we help?
[11:43] <jussi01> !wiki | giordano:
[11:43] <ubotu> giordano:: http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation.
[11:44] <giordano> Nothing, thank you all. I just never use Konversation and I tried. Wonderful, it's a real.time wiki!!! By the way, I had the same problems with Beryl:
[11:45] <ForeverZero> Yay!
[11:45] <ForeverZero> It_works!
[11:45] <abaqueiro> I have a laptop Compaq V2000, I use the propietary drivers for the ATI and the Wireless, but the problem is since I instaled the drivers I can not anymore turn off the computer the normal way
[11:45] <jussi01> ForeverZero: great :)
[11:45] <giordano> great in effect, but it gave me problems with video
[11:45] <ForeverZero> I'm_gonna_log_off_and_log_back_in_now,_to_see_it_again,_BRB
[11:45] <jussi01> brb
[11:45] <flx> I installed Kubuntu, and when i try to boot it i end up with a black screen. i think its related to my video card (an ati x850) anyone know how i can get drivers installed?
[11:45] <Syufs> Ok, when I open the Adept Manager, it loads for about 30 seconds without poping up any windows and then closes and stops loading. What could the problem be?
[11:46] <giordano> Boys, have a good night! See U.
[11:46] <ubuntu_> wow
[11:46] <abaqueiro> flx: is the black screen only a black screen or does it have a login prompt?
[11:47] <flx> abaqueiro no its just black.. no nothing
[11:47] <abaqueiro> flx: interesting, nothing, does it boot?
[11:47] <flx> abaqueiro yes it goes fine until it starts to load up the login screen
[11:48] <flx> i had this problem before and i fixed it by installing the drivers through the command prompt without X but i cant remember how i did it was a long time ago
[11:48] <abaqueiro> flx: do you know how to boot in text mode?
[11:48] <flx> abaqueiro nope..
[11:49] <abaqueiro> do you know what is GRUB?
[11:49] <flx> yes but i dont use grub
[11:49] <flx> see i installed kubuntu through "Wubi"
[11:49] <abaqueiro> no? what do you use?
[11:49] <flx> so it uses windows own boot manager..
[11:49] <abaqueiro> Wubi?
[11:50] <jussi01> !grub
[11:50] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:50] <flx> yes it lets you install ubuntu through windows
[11:50] <abaqueiro> mmmmm
[11:50] <flx> http://wubi-installer.org/
[11:50] <tim__> Can debain run UBUNTU files????????????
[11:50] <flx> tim__ if you mean .deb yes
[11:51] <abaqueiro> flx: why do you choose that way? are you new to linux?
[11:52] <flx> abaqueiro i want to try linux again but i dont have any CDR's to burn a distro..
[11:52] <tim__> SO deb and UBubntu use the EXACTLy the same REpristories or could possible use??
[11:53] <flx> tim__ no it could break your system im pretty sure
[11:53] <sea4ever> I'm back!
[11:53] <sea4ever> It worked, thanks to whomever told me that X server thing
[11:53] <ghozala_> hay how can i change my input language (alt+shift in windows)
[11:53] <abaqueiro> well, I made it tens of times
[11:53] <abaqueiro> the most risky part is the partition
[11:54] <abaqueiro> but it seems pretty simple using partition magic to resize the windows partition and make room for linux partitions
[11:54] <hdevalence> tim__: as far as I know, Ubuntu has its own set of repositories, but it can access the Debian repos to get more packages.
[11:55] <Syufs> i'm not seeing where to go for customizing the login screen and changing the screen resolution. Where are those option menus located?
[11:55] <ghozala_> hay how can i change my input language (alt+shift in windows)
[11:55] <tim__> Can debain acces Ubuntu or at least a year old ubuntu rep.???
[11:55] <abaqueiro> flx: but if you are afraid you can try the virtualization way
[11:55] <Syufs> or like the desktop background options
[11:55] <Syufs> where are they
[11:55] <abaqueiro> with qemu or vmplayer
[11:55] <hdevalence> tim__: I have no idea.
[11:55] <flx> abaqueiro i know how to do it but i dont have a linux cd to install
[11:56] <hdevalence> Syufs: are you using the app that launches from the K menu as "System Settings"
[11:56] <tim__> I am sure it can use old Ubuntu rep... the one that are 6 - 12 months old i think so..........
[11:56] <abaqueiro> flx: you can burn one
[11:56] <flx> abaqueiro well yes if i had an empty CD i would
[11:57] <abaqueiro> jajaja, you do not have
[11:57] <ghozala_> hay how can i change my input language (alt+shift in windows)
[11:57] <hdevalence> tim__: why do you want to access ubuntu repos from a debian install?
[11:57] <Syufs> hdevalence: Nope. I just installed kubuntu for the first time... not sure where everything is, but i can't find what im looking for in the System > or Utilities > menus
[11:57] <abaqueiro> what do you have and what do you want to do?
[11:58] <Syufs> but now that you say system settings, i got it haha
[11:58] <abaqueiro> syufs: what are you searching for?
[11:58] <abaqueiro> flx:
[11:58] <Syufs> abaqueiro: login screen settings
[11:58] <abaqueiro> syufs: what window manager do you use?
[11:58] <Syufs> kde?
[11:59] <hdevalence> oh, speaking of which, why does the "system settings" not have the same interface as kcontrol?
[11:59] <WaaZaa> is possible to save data from net while running from cd?
[11:59] <tim__> i am just curious
[11:59] <tim__> i dont  even have debain isntalle4d
[11:59] <abaqueiro> syufs: well if you see a K instead of Start (Inicio) you use KDE do you?
[11:59] <Ahmuck> so, it appears that installing firefox installs a bunch of gnome, python, and ubuntu installers.  i assume this means that ubuntu has tied firefox into the gutsy install.  who came up with that stupid idea?
[11:59] <abaqueiro> WaaZaa: yes it is
[11:59] <Syufs> abaqueiro: Yes, im using KDE for sure
[11:59] <Ahmuck> when is kubuntu going to come up with it's own untied distro?
[11:59] <hdevalence> WaaZaa: yes, but you have to save it onto like a usb drive or something
[12:00] <abaqueiro> syufs: ok, I thing that settings is in the Control Center
[12:00] <WaaZaa> thx abaqueiro
[12:00] <Syufs> abaqueiro: I went to the K at the bottom left and then to system settings... is that the same thing as Control Center?
[12:01] <abaqueiro> WaaZaa: not necesarily you can setup networking and connect to any other machine in your network, linux throug sftp or windows throu samba (windows shares)
[12:01] <abaqueiro> syufs: no
[12:01] <abaqueiro> syufs: well I have it in spanish, I am not sure
[12:02] <Syufs> k thx
[12:02] <tom_> where would I go to ask a question about Gimp?
[12:02] <flx> Ahmuck it downloads some things because firefox depends on thoose
[12:02] <flx> Ahmuck it has nothing to do with Kubuntu ;)
[12:03] <abaqueiro> syufs: well is simpler
[12:03] <Ahmuck> flx, yes, why does firefox depend upon synaptic, or gnome for that matter
[12:03] <abaqueiro> syufs: Alt+f2 or from the command line run systemsettings
[12:03] <Ahmuck> firefox is a mozilla program, not a ubuntu program
[12:03] <abaqueiro>  Alt+f2 or from the command line run systemsettings
[12:03] <Syufs> abaqueiro: I can find everything except the login screen settings heh
[12:03] <Ahmuck> like i said, whoever tied those togather was just an idiot that day
[12:04] <flx> Ahmuck youre doing something wrong i do not need synaptic or anything like that to install Firefox
[12:04] <Ahmuck> flx - kubuntu gutsy beta - sudo aptitude install firefox - downloads synaptic
[12:04] <Ahmuck> first program i put on
[12:05] <flx> Ahmuck well thats beta
[12:05] <abaqueiro> flx: I dont know I dont tried Wubi
[12:05] <abaqueiro> flx: you should try vmplayer or qemu for virtualization
[12:05] <abaqueiro> flx: there are image files with the system preinstalled
[12:05] <flx> abaqueiro ok thanks
[12:06] <abaqueiro> flx: you download the images and run the entire system in a virtual machine, no way you screw up the system
[12:06] <WaaZaa> can i install kubuntu in a usb stick?
[12:06] <abaqueiro> syufs: is the seventh icon, some kind of bubles
[12:07] <otzku> How can i play swf files?
[12:07] <abaqueiro> waazaa: yes, you can if suported the boot from your bios, GRUB can handle that
[12:07] <abaqueiro> otzku: using firefox with the flashplayer installed or with the standalone player
[12:08] <otzku> abaqueiro: Where do i get the plugin for firefox?
[12:09] <navets> is there a a program that can make a movie file playable on PSP
[12:10] <abaqueiro> otzku: well, you enter youtube site, try to wath a video, and it will say you need flash player and point you to the correct macromedia link
[12:10] <abaqueiro> http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&Lang=Spanish
[12:12] <tom_> what is the name of the Gimp channel, please?
[12:12] <Syufs> abaqueiro: I got in now. Thanks
[12:13] <otzku> Argh. Im running x86_64
[12:14] <dna_> Hello! How do I create a ad-hoc wlan connection in gutsy?
[12:14] <Jumjoola> tom: http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/Ir
[12:14] <Jumjoola> http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/Irc   <<<
[12:15] <tom_> thx!
[12:15] <dna_> can this be done in knetworkmanager?
[12:15] <abaqueiro> otzku: uta, well that is a problem
[12:16] <otzku> abaqueiro: Solvable one?
[12:16] <abaqueiro> otzku: i dont know
[12:17] <otzku> abaqueiro: Thank you anyway.
[12:17] <abaqueiro> otzku: http://www.darronschall.com/weblog/archives/000258.cfm
[12:17] <Ahmuck> tom_ gimp
[12:19] <otzku> abaqueiro: Thats for suse?
[12:19] <Kachna> guys how was that command showing running kernel version please? :-)
[12:19] <abaqueiro> otzku: not sure
[12:19] <Jumjoola> uname -a
[12:19] <abaqueiro> otzku: i never use 64 bits
[12:19] <Kachna> thanks
[12:20] <abaqueiro> otzku: I read in internet you can use 32bits linux on 64bits machines
[12:20] <Kachna> otzku: what's up? i run 32bit system on 64b machine :P coz opera isn't natively for 64 :P
[12:20] <Jumjoola> abaq: like running on one leg ^^
[12:20] <amgat> I'm really looking forward to get my hands on the UHS when its released!
[12:21] <otzku> Yes you can but i want pure 64bits for asm programming.
[12:21] <otzku> And now i wanna watch some flash movies? :D
[12:22] <abaqueiro> otzku: try google for factibility
[12:22] <otzku> abaqueiro: Nope I found the solution.
[12:23] <otzku> abaqueiro: 32bit emulation libraries. Then firefox 32bit.
[12:23] <abaqueiro> otzku: well i learned something new
[12:23] <abaqueiro> otzku: thanks
[12:24] <otzku> abaqueiro: You can find it in the ubuntu documentation web page.
[12:25] <j0an> hello
[12:25] <j0an> does any one knows how to install .theme files
[12:26] <otzku> system>preferences>theme
[12:26] <otzku> then click install theme
[12:26] <Myrth[home] > hi, after upgrade to gutsy most of KDE icons became generic doc icon.. how do i fix it?
[12:27] <stdin> Myrth[home] : ask in #ubuntu+1
[12:27] <j0an> mm
[12:27] <j0an> im on kubuntu
[12:27] <j0an> its a icon theme
[12:28] <otzku> oh
[12:34] <tabman> I already have a dual boot xp+ubuntu installation....I have a kubuntu CD and I want to replace my ubuntu installation with kubuntu.....Ubuntu is installed on a separate drive....I would like to just format that specific drive and clean install kubuntu on it without effecting any part of grub or windows.....what would be the procedure ?
[12:36] <stdin> tabman: you should just be able to install over Ubuntu by selecting Manual Partitioning from the installer. you could just install the "kubuntu-desktop" package to install Kubuntu (and if you want to remove all gnome apps) follow http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[12:38] <tabman> stdin: after inserting the kubuntu CD you mean the installer that'll appear in kubuntu installation would have an option to just format the specific drive & install over it ?
[12:38] <newone1234> which is the command to show/hide the kwrite menu?