[01:23] <Leonekl> sp hows it look
[01:23] <Leonekl> ?
[01:23] <Leonekl> booted fine
[01:23] <Leonekl> ?
[01:23] <Pici> !pinning | mluser-work
[01:23] <nosrednaekim> mluser-work: you can lock it in synaptic
[01:23] <ubotu> mluser-work: pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[01:24] <mluser-work> Pici: thanks
[01:24] <Jordan_U> raymondjtoth, You might have problems in the future ( Gutsy is still beta ) but if apt-get dist-upgrade runs without errors you should be up to date. You may want to make sure that the ubuntu-desktop package is installed though
[01:24] <mluser-work> nosrednaekim: thanks
[01:24] <Jordan_U> Leonekl, What does GDM have to do with Restricted Manager?
[01:24] <VousDeux> now, if I could just get something besides 1680x1050 to work
[01:24] <raymondjtoth> Jordan_U how i do thsi
[01:25] <Leonekl> i mean just ur GUI in genereal
[01:25] <raymondjtoth> im havethsi on a laptop the beta
[01:25] <raymondjtoth> so no big problem with intel wireless card from dell e1505 i have
[01:25] <raymondjtoth> Jordan_U
[01:25] <wabiD> can i tell my window list to sort programs , so that if i have 2 firefox windows open they are next to each other?
[01:25] <Jordan_U> raymondjtoth, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ( or use synaptic )
[01:25] <Leonekl> click hey vous u use aim by any chance
[01:25] <nosrednaekim> mluser-work: not sure how to do it on the CLI
[01:25] <raymondjtoth> Jordan_U i have synaptic install
[01:26] <VousDeux> Leonekl, I don't use any im
[01:26] <Jordan_U> Leonekl, Then you install the nvidia-glx package
[01:26] <Leonekl> k
[01:26] <Leonekl> click applications
[01:26] <Leonekl> system tools
[01:26] <mluser-work> Pici: nosrednaekim: Actually I dont want to pin this version, I just want to blacklist a specific version which is breaking things
[01:26] <Leonekl> check the NVIDIA config program there
[01:26] <raymondjtoth> Jordan_U do i want prerelease checked
[01:27] <Jordan_U> raymondjtoth, I am not sure what that is ( I don't use synaptic )
[01:27] <raymondjtoth> ok
[01:27] <raymondjtoth> Jordan_U i read on site it release in oct. 2007 for 7.10
[01:27] <raymondjtoth> is that right
[01:28] <Jordan_U> raymondjtoth, Yes, the release names for Ubuntu stand for the year and month of the release
[01:28] <nosrednaekim> _dan_: heh...don't worry about it... you did your best
[01:28] <Leonekl> so vousdeux
[01:28] <Leonekl> is it working?
[01:28] <raymondjtoth> Jordan_U when is thsi release full verson out of beta an will i jsut update to fullk version with out loseing any thing when out of beta
[01:28] <VousDeux> yes, but I'm back to my old problem...only one resolution available (1680x1050)
[01:29] <Leonekl> ok nvidia install a program for ya
[01:29] <Leonekl> go to applications
[01:29] <Leonekl> system tools
[01:29] <Jordan_U> VousDeux, Could you please test the new resolution configuration tool
[01:29] <Leonekl> NVIDIA x server settings
[01:29] <Leonekl> and change em thru there
[01:29] <VousDeux> I have it open, but it only lists 1680x1050
[01:29] <Leonekl> k
[01:30] <Leonekl> lcd screen
[01:30] <Leonekl> ?
[01:30] <VousDeux> yes, 17" widescreen
[01:30] <Leonekl> k
[01:30] <nosrednaekim> odd... the kubuntu liveCD feels faster..
[01:30] <VousDeux> the computer is MS-1719, if you want to have a look
[01:31] <Leonekl> what ya mean
[01:31] <Leonekl> ?
[01:31] <VousDeux> Leonekl, was that question for me?
[01:31] <Leonekl> thru the tmernial?
[01:31] <Leonekl> yes
[01:32] <panosru> hi, i try to make partial upgrade and i get this error : http://pastebin.com/d1bccb13c
[01:32] <Leonekl> what did u mean the computer is MS-1719
[01:32] <VousDeux> Leonekl, I'm not sure I understand your question
[01:32] <Leonekl> ?
[01:32] <VousDeux> oh, that is the model#
[01:32] <Leonekl> oh ok
[01:32] <Leonekl> its ok
[01:32] <Leonekl> hehe
[01:32] <Leonekl> what u can do is
[01:32] <Leonekl> open ur terminal
[01:32] <VousDeux> if you plug that into google it comes right up to the top
[01:33] <Leonekl> for the ladies
[01:33] <Leonekl> lol?
[01:33] <Leonekl> thats neat
[01:33] <VousDeux> hehe
[01:34] <Leonekl> k
[01:34] <Leonekl> in ur terminal
[01:34] <Leonekl> type in
[01:34] <Leonekl> sudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:35] <Xero> or gksu mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf (i like mousepad better)
[01:35] <VousDeux> I like vi
[01:35] <Leonekl> u got it
[01:35] <Leonekl> ?
[01:35] <VousDeux> yes
[01:35] <Leonekl> scroll down to were it says section screen
[01:35] <Leonekl> in subsection display
[01:35] <Leonekl> under modes
[01:36] <Leonekl> go ahead and put ur number
[01:36] <Leonekl> hehe
[01:36] <Leonekl> save it
[01:36] <Leonekl> and restart xorg
[01:36] <VousDeux> funny thing is...it says 1024x768
[01:37] <Leonekl> hehe
[01:37] <Leonekl> change it to what u need it
[01:37] <Leonekl> or
[01:37] <Leonekl> maybe u can change it thru system preferences
[01:37] <Leonekl> and go to screen resolution
[01:39] <Laibsch> I have set LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8 and LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8 in /etc/environment.  The menus are still in German.  I searched through /etc and the dot-files in ~/ and found nothing that would explain this.
[01:39] <raymondjtoth> Jordan_U pm or im pl
[01:39] <raymondjtoth> pls
[01:39] <Leonekl> hey
[01:39] <Leonekl> vous
[01:40] <VousDeux> yes
[01:40] <Leonekl> u can change it under preferences and screen resolution also
[01:40] <Leonekl> its better that way
[01:40] <nosrednaekim> hey... does the ubuntu liveCD have all the packages on it?
[01:40] <VousDeux> yeah, still just says 1680x1050
[01:40] <Leonekl> u cant change it?
[01:40] <VousDeux> no
[01:40] <Leonekl> hmm
[01:40] <Jordan_U> nosrednaekim, What do you mean by "all" it has all of the packages in ubuntu-desktop
[01:41] <Leonekl> ur gonna have to enter it manually
[01:41] <raymondjtoth> Jordan_U get my pm or im
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> Jordan_U: yeah.. thats what I meant, thanks.
[01:41] <Leonekl> just change the xorg.conf file accordinly
[01:41] <VousDeux> cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:41] <VousDeux> ack...wrong keyboard
[01:41] <nosrednaekim> Jordan_U: that way I can install the latest version of openoffice off it, right?
[01:41] <Leonekl> hey
[01:42] <VousDeux> it doesn't seem to read whatever is in the xorg.conf
[01:42] <Leonekl> were it says modes
[01:42] <VousDeux> I had a ton of modes in there before
[01:42] <Leonekl> replace that line
[01:42] <Leonekl> Modes      "1680x1050" "1600x1200" "1440x1440" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1280x800" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"
[01:42] <Jordan_U> nosrednaekim, Yes
[01:42] <Leonekl> does it look like that?
[01:42] <VousDeux> it did before
[01:42] <raymondjtoth> jordan see me last im or pm pls
[01:42] <VousDeux> now I just have "1280x800"
[01:42] <Leonekl> k
[01:43] <Leonekl> did u restart?
[01:43] <VousDeux> which I just changed from 1024x768
[01:43] <VousDeux> yes, complete restart
[01:43] <Leonekl> its good now then?
[01:44] <VousDeux> well, like I said...it's back to where I only have 1680x1050 :)
[01:44] <VousDeux> but at least it has a better driver
[01:44] <Leonekl> did u save the conf file when u edited it?
[01:44] <VousDeux> yes
[01:44] <Leonekl> k
[01:44] <Leonekl> hehe
[01:44] <VousDeux> :wq usually does the trick
[01:44] <Leonekl> i guess when it comes to laptops
[01:45] <Leonekl> thigns are diff with the screens
[01:45] <VousDeux> I'm not so sure that's it...I think things are still being developed
[01:45] <Leonekl> yes
[01:46] <Leonekl> i just upgraded my last 7.04
[01:46] <Leonekl> to this
[01:46] <Leonekl> hehe
[01:46] <VousDeux> I would rather be able to configure my touch pad than change my resolution right now
[01:46] <Leonekl> hehe
[01:46] <raymondjtoth>  lo no wireless extnrsions eth0 no wireless extensions
 <raymondjtoth> what i do
 sorry if sound dumb new to 7.10
[01:46] <raymondjtoth> sorry wrong ox
[01:46] <Pici> wrong ox?
[01:46] <_dan_> VousDeux u can config the scrolling options
[01:46] <Pici> There would be a right ox?
[01:46] <raymondjtoth> box
[01:47] <_dan_> and mous sensetivity right?
[01:49] <Fastly> i'm testing out gutsy beta - would it be recommended to now do a "partial upgrade" through the update manager?
[01:49] <VousDeux> _dan, no... it just says it cannot access shared memory
[01:50] <VousDeux> _dan_, I have the SHMConfig option "on" in the xorg.conf, but I don't think it is loading the synaptics driver when it boots
[01:51] <_dan_> hmmm :// worked out of the box for mine. (
[01:52] <DanaG> Aack, compiz-kde just gave me a big fright.
[01:52] <DanaG> I thought it had trampled on all my settings, but it had merely changed the config backend.
[01:52] <VousDeux> hehe, I've been to hell and back with this thing...nothing seems to get it going for me
[01:52] <Fastly> ??
[01:53] <VousDeux> see, now it's stuff like this I don't understand...I just rebooted and the updater notifier came on
[01:53] <riotkittie> beta's being really cruel to me. herd 5 live disc installed fine. beta's live disc hangs at 53% into the partition scan. alt disc install goes fine, but booting into it, nothing happens. splash off, no messages of any sort, no disk activity. not a hard freeze.
[01:53] <VousDeux> when I told it to fetch updates, it gave me back a list that says it wants to uninstall just about every single thing on the whole system
[01:54] <riotkittie> maybe this is what i get for naming the box wasteland. :|
[01:59] <extra9> really weird.  I upgraded and after it restarted, only safe graphics mode works
[01:59] <VousDeux> okay, so how do I fix this Adept Updater now...it just wants to remove everything and it won't let me change from remove
[01:59] <extra9> dell inspiron 1420 n, with intel gma 965
[02:00] <VousDeux> when I try to Cancel Changes, the Requested column changes to BREAK (no change), then reverts back to 'remove'
[02:03] <SeanConnery> hi, I'm getting a weird error when upgrading to gutsy: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libkbluetooth0_1.0~beta8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):
[02:03] <SeanConnery>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libqobex.so.0.0.9', which is also in package qobex
[02:04] <SeanConnery> how can I err.. fix it?
[02:14] <SeanConnery> well I just dpkg --purged the bluetooth since I don't care about it anyway
[02:14] <SeanConnery> \o/ for me
[02:16] <sayers> what's with the horrible sound?
[02:17] <eeanm> is there a way to tell the upgrade-manager to use a local mirror?
[02:18] <sayers> eeanm, use sources.list ?
[02:18] <eeanm> the *update-manager changes the sources.list as part of its thing
[02:18] <attunix> I love the new elephant wallpaper! :D
[02:18] <sayers> oh
[02:18] <attunix> I don't really like the new "Simple Ubuntu"
[02:18] <sayers> I dont like the sound
[02:19] <sayers> it sounds really etchy
[02:19] <DanaG> !find /usr/share/avahi/enable_avahi 1
[02:19] <DanaG> Can't enable Avahi in KDE.
[02:19] <ubotu> Package/file /usr/share/avahi/enable_avahi does not exist in gutsy
[02:21] <cornell> Can anyone tell me how to ssh into a ubuntu box in recovery mode?
[02:22] <user_> Any other Gutsy users have prob with firefox being a cpu hog after it has been open a while?
[02:22] <VousDeux> alright, so here's what I think is going on...about an hour ago, the Adept Updater came up with more updates.
[02:23] <VousDeux> I chose to update them all, but it left an error saying it couldn't install volumeid
[02:24] <VousDeux> now, the Adept Updater is acting goofy and wants to remove everything.
[02:24] <eeanm> gosh does that sound familiar
[02:24] <eeanm> I had some sort of problem with volumeid, I forget what though :)
[02:24] <eeanm> about 8 months ago
[02:24] <VousDeux> I tried to dpkg --configure -a, but is says: dpkg error processing volumeid
[02:25] <Xero> If the computer site below my desk, would a Bluetooth dongle/Wiimote setup work?
[02:25] <Xero> s/site/sits
[02:25] <VousDeux> it should work, bluetooth range isn't strong, but it's not line of sight
[02:26] <Xero> so it's not a straight signal like some crappy remote.
[02:26] <Xero> It's more like a radio.
[02:26] <Xero> Right?
[02:27] <VousDeux> yes
[02:27] <attunix> Xero: did you PM me?
[02:27] <Xero> Okay. Wiimote should work. Just need to tune it so that cwiid knows the "sensor bar" is below the "TV"
[02:27] <Xero> attunix, no.
[02:27] <attunix> weird... my client keeps doing that
[02:27] <attunix> sorry
[02:27] <Xero> its ok
[02:28] <attunix> :)
[02:28] <DanaG> How do you enable zeroconf in kde?
[02:28] <Nubbie> hey guys, i'm so glad gutsy sorta fixed up sleep/hibernation so it doesn't hard lock anymore... but I was wondering if you guys could help me figure out how i could get suspend to work?
[02:28] <Xero> NVidia suspend/hiber still screws up like that.
[02:29] <Nubbie> i have intel 810 graphics
[02:29] <Xero> Now I'm jealous.
[02:29] <Nubbie> and i'm using the intel drivers
[02:29] <Nubbie> can i make it work?
[02:29] <DanaG> I've never gotten an nvidia hard lock; I just get an all-black xorg.
[02:30] <Nubbie> does restarting xorg fix it for you at lease?
[02:30] <Nubbie> least*
[02:30] <ReL1K> Nubbie: intel's are having some major issues
[02:30] <Xero> Nubbie, no. I have to reboot.
[02:30] <ReL1K> alot of them are blacklisted
[02:30] <Nubbie> ReL1K: really... if i used the i810 drivers instead, would I have better luck?
[02:31] <Nubbie> or does it not matter which drivers i'm using?
[02:31] <Nubbie> ie: it's hardware issues...
[02:31] <ReL1K> yea, actually there was a good artcile on that let me see if i can dig em up, the intel is still experimental, i hear the i810 works better in your case
[02:31] <Nubbie> thanks a lot
[02:31] <Nubbie> especially with a laptop i'd love to have suspend working.
[02:32] <Nubbie> you'd think intel would have their act together on this... it seems to me they're the only company who is actually helping with their open source drivers.
[02:32] <ReL1K> yea, they are working on updates
[02:32] <Xero> ePSXe is having problems... I'm gonna go reboot.
[02:32] <Nubbie> thats good news.
[02:33] <eeanm> Nubbie: did it work in Feisty?
[02:33] <Nubbie> eeanm: nah i've never had it working.
[02:33] <eeanm> ok good :P
[02:33] <Nubbie> it's not a gutsy issue... its a permanent issue lol.
[02:33] <eeanm> my intel-dominated Toshiba suspends just fine in Feisty and I'm upgrading right now
[02:33] <Nubbie> ohh really?
[02:33] <Nubbie> i have intel everything in here.... CPU, Wireless, and graphics.
[02:34] <eeanm> yep same here
[02:34] <Xero> Intel everything here too except gfx card.
[02:34] <Nubbie> what graphics chip do you have?
[02:34] <Xero> Me?
[02:34] <Nubbie> 810 i assume
[02:34] <Nubbie> eeanm <--
[02:34] <Xero> Old NVidia Geforce4 MX4000
[02:34] <Reaby> is there a way to change _NET_WORKAREA by hand, i tried with devilspie to get an window panel status with no luck
[02:34] <eeanm> yea I don't really know, it works though
[02:34] <eeanm> let me see
[02:34] <Nubbie> lol.
[02:34] <Xero> Works a bit better than the 810, but still not good.
[02:34] <eeanm> a Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML
[02:35] <eeanm> according to lspci
[02:35] <eeanm> actually 1 in 10 times it doesn't work when I try to resume it
[02:36] <Nubbie> hey i can't even get it to sleep to begin with.
[02:36] <eeanm> ah heh
[02:36] <Nubbie> but gutsy is much better at preventing the hard locks fortunately.
[02:36] <VousDeux> okay, I can't reinstall volumeid, and I can't remove it or it will trash the whole system, how can I fix it?
[02:37] <Nubbie> VousDeux: dance on one foot.
[02:37] <eeanm> VousDeux: hmm, doesn't apt-get have a reinstall thing?
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> in Gutsy...
[02:37] <eeanm> maybe I made that up
[02:37] <nosrednaekim> thanks everyone!
[02:37] <eeanm> VousDeux: yea there
[02:38] <eeanm> VousDeux: yea there's a --reinstall option
[02:38] <ReL1K> eeanm: i got the 965gm, have some major issues
[02:38] <VousDeux> I tried apt-get install volumeid, but it gives me an error because volumeid is broken
[02:38] <eeanm> nopaste the error
[02:39] <Nubbie> VousDeux: use the fix broken filter in synaptic
[02:39] <eeanm> ReL1K: get a 945 then, it works fine ;)
[02:39] <Nubbie> ReL1K: were you able to dig up that article?
[02:39] <ReL1K> Nubbie: nope sorry guy
[02:39] <ReL1K> eeanm: yea, let me downgrade :)
[02:39] <Skiff> guys I have WIn installed on SDE and Im also installing Gutsy on the same drive, I made 3 partitions for it and in advanced options I should specify boot loader I take it it should be also (sde) ? or I need to create a separate partition for bootloader and how will it work with win one?
[02:40] <Nubbie> ReL1K: thanks anyways.
[02:41] <VousDeux> http://nopaste.com/p/aQNBH9ECq
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> Skiff: bootloader can go on any hard drive.
[02:41] <nosrednaekim> Skiff: and no need to create a separate partition.
[02:41] <Skiff> thnx
[02:42] <Skiff> so Im just going to install it on the same one
[02:42] <Nubbie> ReL1K: i'm trying pm-utils.
[02:42] <Skiff> ty
[02:42] <eeanm> Skiff: nosrednaekim: well the bootloader needs to go on whatever the BIOS is going to boot
[02:42] <eeanm> so likely /dev/sda
[02:42] <Skiff> sde is one bios boots here
[02:42] <Skiff> eeanm, yeah thanks
[02:43] <nosrednaekim> Skiff: then yeah, put it on /dev/sde, which should be (hd4)
[02:43] <Xero> yeah im gonna reboot
[02:43] <Xero> ePSXe wont start
[02:43] <Skiff> I just hope its not going to screw up my win boot
[02:43] <VousDeux> Nubbie, Adept will not run properly without volumeid
[02:44] <Skiff> oops I specified sde instead of hd4 and pressed install :/
[02:44] <Skiff> I guess I will need to reinstall or I can edit it?
[02:44] <VousDeux> eeanm, did you see my nopaste link?
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> Skiff: ummm... it didn't give you an error?
[02:45] <Skiff> installing so far
[02:45] <Nubbie> ReL1K: yeah that didn't end well.
[02:45] <ReL1K> laff
[02:46] <Nubbie> ReL1K: it slept in a sense... but the screen didn't shut off, and pretty much every light on the damn thing was blinking. on the plus side though, my hard drive stopped spinning.
[02:46] <Nubbie> lol
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> Skiff: weird...
[02:46] <wabiD> is there a way to have my window list sort like items, next to each other?
[02:46] <Nubbie> it was a hard lock.
[02:47] <Skiff> guys btw do you keep your /boot on a separate partition?
[02:48] <Nubbie> ReL1K: trying again with one of those quirks
[02:48] <Nubbie> ReL1K: MY GOD IT WOOOORKS
[02:48] <eeanm> Skiff: I do... but I really forget why. Its mostly pointless I think.
[02:48] <Nubbie> lol.
[02:48] <Nubbie> sudo pm-suspend --quirk-dpms-suspend
[02:49] <Nubbie> works for me ;)
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> Skiff: I don
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> t
[02:50] <Nubbie> is there any way I can use that command for sleeping all the time, like from the system > Quit... menu ?
[02:50] <VousDeux> eeanm, any thoughts on my nopaste error?
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> Nubbie: sure, just add a new menu entry
[02:51] <Nubbie> nosrednaekim: do you have any idea how I would do that? is it accessible via a gconf key?
[02:51] <Nubbie> how would I enter the sudo password?
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> Nubbie: heh... I use KDE, where its a simple right-click.
[02:52] <Nubbie> nothing about KDE is simple.
[02:52] <VousDeux> Nubbie, are you sure this one foot dance will help? I'm getting kinda tired.
[02:53] <Nubbie> VousDeux: lol i've been dancing for a while now
[02:53] <Nubbie> and i just got my laptop to suspend correctly.
[02:53] <VousDeux> I wish I was having that much fun
[02:53] <Nubbie> i'm gonna go for a proper hibernation now
[02:54] <VousDeux> all day it seems every time I fix one thing it breaks something else
[02:54] <Nubbie> lol
[02:54] <Nubbie> my problem is remembering all the fixes when i reinstall.
[02:54] <Nubbie> brb i HOPE
[02:56] <nb-au> so is anyone else getting broken dependencies or is it just me?
[02:56] <TQuid> Oh yeah.
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> Nubbie: KDE is simple
[02:56] <TQuid> Error in volumeid's postinst script. I think I see it.
[02:56] <nb-au> yep
[02:57] <nb-au> causing all kinds of probs here :P
[02:57] <TQuid> Does a case statement *) case in shell normally end with ;;, or does the last one not take that?
[02:57] <VousDeux> my voluemeid is broke too
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> nb-au: whats you broken dep on?
[02:57] <nb-au> nosrednaekim, volumeid is where it all starts
[02:57] <Nubbie> ReL1K: k it seemed to have hibernated correctly, writing to disk and all, however when powering on again, it just powered up normally.
[02:57] <TQuid> Ah, yes, there it is.
[02:58] <TQuid> OK, guys, line 56, /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst, previous line should have the ";;" and it doesn't.
[02:58] <nb-au> i tried forcing it to complete the upgrade it was doing, and now if i tell synaptic to update all, it wants to remove nearly every package in my system, rofl
[02:58] <TQuid> A wee typo, looks like.
[02:58] <nb-au> fix and see if it works
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> Nubbie: but did it seem faster?
[02:58] <nosrednaekim> Nubbie: suspend to disk still has to go through grub
[02:59] <Nubbie> nosrednaekim: yeah it still hit grub
[02:59] <TQuid> Fixed!
[02:59] <TQuid> Should I submit a patch somewhere?
[02:59] <Nubbie> nosrednaekim: it seemed like a very typical boot.
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> TQuid: #ubuntu-motu
[02:59] <nb-au> sweet, yeah you probably should :P
[02:59] <TQuid> Danke.
[02:59] <Nubbie> chien?
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> Nubbie: hmm ok, did it come up to locked screen,. or to a login prompt?
[03:00] <Nubbie> nope, GDM as always.
[03:00] <Nubbie> i was expecting a login prompt.
[03:00] <nb-au> works here too
[03:00] <bicchi> I am running gutsy and the latest upgrade broke a few dependencies. are there any known problems with volumeid and udev?
[03:00] <Nubbie> errr... yeah i was expecting the locked screen login prompt.
[03:01] <Nubbie> oh no....
[03:01] <nb-au> bicchi, yep volumeid
[03:01] <Nubbie> queue the volumeid flood.
[03:01] <nb-au> easy to fix
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> i'm confuzzlled..
 OK, guys, line 56, /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst, previous line should have the ";;" and it doesn't.
[03:01] <nb-au> add that line in bicchi
[03:02] <ReL1K> anyone else here using gutsy as main and virtualbox with vista as guest?
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> Nubbie: queue it? I think its HERE...
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> ReL1K: I was doing it with fiesty.
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> yesterday.
[03:03] <Nubbie> there's only 3 people with the problem so far....
[03:03] <ReL1K> my cdrom isn't being detected
[03:03] <ReL1K> was working ifne awhile ago
[03:03] <bicchi> nb-au: thanks for the easy fix. I am surprised that this hasn't been corrected.
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> ReL1K: worked for me... did you enable drive pass-through?
[03:04] <VousDeux> hey, that fixed it for me too...thanks!
[03:04] <ReL1K> how do i do that? :P sorry
[03:04] <bicchi> how i have a bunch of packages that have been kept back.
[03:04] <nb-au> TQuid, you getting a problem with update manager now, or is it coz of me messing about before i bothered to read the error :(
[03:04] <ReL1K> bicchi, we all do
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> ReL1K: should be under settings->cdrom
[03:04] <ReL1K> nosrednaekim: Yea, its not even there is the problem
[03:05] <ReL1K> can't enable passthrough if its not showing my cdrom
[03:05] <VousDeux> funny how much damage ;; can do
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> ReL1K: its not showing an option to enable /dev/cdrom as the cdrom?
[03:05] <nb-au> youd think they would run the package themselves before uploading
[03:06] <nb-au> would have also saved the big xorg failure a while back
[03:06] <ReL1K> noper
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> ReL1K: is you cd drive otherwise working?
[03:07] <ReL1K> yep
[03:07] <bicchi> i hope that the ;; problem gets fixed soon since a bunch of people are now beta testing gutsy since it is in almost ready to be released.
[03:07] <ReL1K> shows up on desktop
[03:07] <ReL1K> can click on it and everything
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> ReL1K: odd odd..
[03:07] <nb-au> anyone getting problems with perl
[03:08] <Nubbie> k so pm-hibernate didn't work...
[03:08] <nb-au> wants to update but wont without removing every other package in existance
[03:08] <nb-au> rofl
[03:08] <ReL1K> yea man i can't figur eit out :P
[03:09] <Nubbie> wish me luck
[03:09] <stonebear> Anyone have an issue w/ the info boxes that popup on the pointer of a mouse, always being blacked out boxes?
[03:10] <VousDeux> not that it's really that big of a deal, but do you know if they plan to put the boot-time splash screens on the x86_64 version of kubuntu?
[03:10] <VousDeux> the little progress bar looks better than a black screen
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> VousDeux: splash is working here for me..
[03:10] <nb-au> VousDeux, afaik its a problem with all versions of x64 bit gutsy
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> of course, i'm still on alpha5 ;)
[03:10] <nb-au> i have no splash here on plain old buntu
[03:11] <nb-au> didnt in alpha either
[03:11] <VousDeux> hmmm...the 32-bit live cd has one...it's kinda cool
[03:12] <VousDeux> okay, so this Adept Updater still wants to remove everything
[03:12] <nb-au> lol, so does mine
[03:12] <nb-au> just to get perl on
[03:12] <nb-au> :/
[03:12] <ReL1K> anyone else here use virtualbox?
[03:13] <VousDeux> I would have given virtualbox a try had I known about it before I bought VMware
[03:13] <nosrednaekim> VousDeux: everything?
[03:13] <ReL1K> VousDeux, how do you like VMware?
[03:13] <ReL1K> easy to use?
[03:13] <VousDeux> no,not everything, but 283 packages
[03:13] <ReL1K> fairly good?
[03:14] <VousDeux> I've used vmware for years, it's very nice
[03:14] <Nubbie> yeah so that didn't work either....
[03:14] <ReL1K> easy to install on gutsy?
[03:14] <_dan_> vmware works alot better tho on vista and xp, less bugs   but i like virtualbox
[03:14] <Nubbie> vmware is pro. but you SHOULD use qemu.
[03:14] <nosrednaekim> virtualbox is better inmho
[03:14] <ReL1K> and can i use vdi's in vmware?
[03:14] <ReL1K> vbox is better then vmware?
[03:14] <VousDeux> it was very easy, yes, I was suprised
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> ReL1K: I couldn't ever get vmware (server or player) installed
[03:15] <VousDeux> I don't know what vdi's are
[03:15] <_dan_> ReL1K imho not, but its easier to use
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> VousDeux:  a vdi is basically a vmdk
[03:16] <_dan_> for example
[03:16] <ReL1K> thnx
[03:16] <_dan_> streaming video isnt running smoothly in virtualbox/vista
[03:16] <_dan_> tvuplayer isnt working properly in xp
[03:16] <VousDeux> all I did was unpack the tarball and run the installer perl script...nothing fancy at all
[03:16] <_dan_> works tho in VMware
[03:16] <penguincentral> !ubotu
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[03:16] <ReL1K> hmmm mebbe i should switch, need to see if i can use a vdi though
[03:17] <penguincentral> !microsoft | _dan_
[03:17] <ubotu> _dan_: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[03:17] <_dan_> PecisDarbs u missed what the discussion is all about
[03:17] <_dan_> penguincentral sry
[03:18] <nb-au> !equivalents
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[03:18] <penguincentral> _dan_: that's ok.  Just remember that this is the ubuntu+1 channel, not the ignorent_microsoft_users channel ;)
[03:19] <ReL1K> NICE!
[03:19] <ReL1K> just ficed cdro missue
[03:19] <ReL1K> cdrom
[03:19] <_dan_> penguincentral well i was simply giving examples what does not work so well in virtualbox but works in vmware, i dont even have a windows installed on that machine
[03:19] <Nubbie> so when does #ubuntu+2 party start?
[03:19] <ReL1K> it was mapping to cdrom1 in /dev/
[03:19] <ReL1K> so i did a export VBOX_CDROM='/dev/cdrom1'
[03:19] <ReL1K> fixed
[03:19] <nosrednaekim> sweet
[03:19] <VousDeux> so, does anyone know how to make this Adept Updater stop trying to remove all of this important stuff like adept, xorg, kde...you know, useful stuff
[03:19] <penguincentral> _dan_: ok then.
[03:19] <penguincentral> carry on
[03:19] <_dan_> i was finished :P
[03:20] <saeed> hi all
[03:20] <nb-au> VousDeux, is yours hanging on perl like mine?
[03:20] <saeed> anybody knows how do I get to compiz-fusion settings control
[03:20] <nb-au> saeed, its in system -> preferences
[03:20] <VousDeux> no, the last time I ran it, it messed up on volumeid
[03:20] <AmyRose> saeed: You need to have the compizconfig settings manager installed first
[03:21] <saeed> I tried it
[03:21] <VousDeux> the volumeid problem seems to be okay now
[03:21] <nb-au> VousDeux, apply the fix above
[03:21] <saeed> all I could find is 3 options
[03:21] <AmyRose> In KDE, it's under Settings
[03:21] <saeed> no 3d, simple 3d and advanced 3d
[03:21] <ReL1K> does everyone have like 15 things held back in apt? like a bunch of openoffice?
[03:21] <saeed> nothing else
[03:21] <devaudio> how can i change the default spot for where new application windows open? i have dual monitors, and appliations open up in the middle, right on the black bar between to monitors
[03:21] <nb-au> ReL1K, i did, but i foorced them to install
[03:21] <saeed> do I install compiz-config from synaptic?
[03:22] <nb-au> i widdled the list down to perl, perl-base, and libperl
[03:22] <AmyRose> saeed: Did you install compizconfig-settings-manager ?
[03:22] <nb-au> which wont install no matter what, and want to remove EVERY package in my system
[03:22] <VousDeux> nb-au, what fix? I already did the volumeid thing...did I miss something else?
[03:22] <devaudio> and on a side note, i must say Xgl + ati binary driver + compiz is pretty slick
[03:22] <saeed> nope, I haven't installed it yet
[03:22] <nb-au> VousDeux, i thought u were still having probs with volumeid
[03:23] <AmyRose> devaudio: It's sweeter on Nvidia :)
[03:23] <devaudio> yeah
[03:23] <nb-au> AmyRose, indeed :P
[03:23] <devaudio> i know
[03:23] <VousDeux> no, I was just trying to answer your question about perl
[03:23] <devaudio> but tough to change out my laptop video card
[03:23] <devaudio> ;)
[03:23] <AmyRose> devaudio: I know how that goes...
[03:23] <nb-au> VousDeux, ah okies :)
[03:23] <AmyRose> My first laptop had an ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 and it sucked
[03:23] <VousDeux> after I had the problem with volumeid, then it started trying to remove all of this other stuff
[03:24] <nb-au> my old laptop had a 200M, devil  spawn i tell ye all
[03:24] <devaudio> renderer string: ATI MOBILITY RADEON X300
[03:24] <VousDeux> now, I won't be able to use it until I can get it to stop trying to remove everything
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> nb-au: eh... my 200M is working good :)
[03:24] <VousDeux> I tried dpkg --configure -a
[03:24] <nb-au> VousDeux, i think we have diffenrent problems then, as mine wants to remove EVERYTHING
[03:25] <nb-au> nosrednaekim, yeah, its just insanely slow
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> nb-au: really? mine is decently fast...
[03:25] <AmyRose> My current laptop ( a free secondhand gift :) ) has an nVidia GeForce 4 420 Go chipset and I could not be more pleased with it...
[03:25] <VousDeux> oh, mine says I have 1041 installed and it wants to remove 283 of them
[03:25] <Xero> ePSXe won't start. Any ideas?
[03:25] <nb-au> nosrednaekim, i assume youve probably got 8.41.7 on it
[03:25] <Xero> It doesn't even give me acknowledgement that the core is dumped.
[03:25] <VousDeux> but those 283 would trash everything
[03:25] <AmyRose> Xero: I recommend PSX instead
[03:25] <lch> is it broken at the moment? i have dependency errors with xserver-xorg-video-all
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> nb-au: lol.. actually I have a Xpress1100 which is the same chipset, and no I don't have that on it.
[03:26] <Xero> AmyRose, PCSX can't play from CDs, the sound is horrible, and so are the graphics.
[03:26] <AmyRose> Xero: PSX, *not* PCSX
[03:26] <VousDeux> I'm getting to where I don't trust this updater much
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> heh
[03:26] <Xero> The normal PSX is sold, the PS2 is at my other house.
[03:26] <lix> Hi. How can I become (contribute) an official gutsy beta mirror (http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta) ?
[03:26] <VousDeux> it already removed some of my programs
[03:26] <AmyRose> Xero: No, there is another PlayStation emulator called PSX
[03:27] <Xero> oh
[03:27] <Xero> Where is it? Googling would just come up with the console 10000+ times.
[03:27] <ReL1K> anyone know if you can use a vdi in vmware?
[03:27] <VousDeux> and a couple of weeks ago I tried to install something simple and it removed my whole gui environment
[03:28] <nb-au> VousDeux, how are you getting the numbers of each, ill report back what mine says
[03:28] <AmyRose> Xero: http://psxemulator.gazaxian.com/
[03:28] <VousDeux> well, at least I'm getting a lot of good practice, but eventually I would like to actually be able to use this thing
[03:28] <VousDeux> nb-au, they are at the bottom of the Adept Updater on mine
[03:29] <nb-au> well,  mine says failed to mark all available updates
[03:29] <nb-au> rofl
[03:29] <AmyRose> Xero: There is a repo with Feisty debs too, but as this is the Gutsy channel... well, you get the idea
[03:30] <VousDeux> yeah, I'd say your problem is different, but similar
[03:30] <Xero> AmyRose, pSX is slow (amazingly slow for some reason) booting up
[03:30] <Xero> but the games play fine
[03:30] <nb-au> wait
[03:30] <lix> Hi. How can I become an official gutsy beta mirror? Git 100 MBit uplink!
[03:30] <nb-au> got numbers now
[03:30] <nb-au> missed them before
[03:30] <nb-au> wants to remove 345
[03:30] <nb-au> to add 2
[03:30] <devaudio> are there plans for including kiba-dock in gutsy?
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> lix: maybe host a bittorent seed
[03:31] <nb-au> 345/1100ish, so not everything, but well anything that relies on a gui
[03:31] <nb-au> lol
[03:31] <AmyRose> Xero: Oh, I hope you have better luck with it... I liked pSX better so I have not used ePSXe in a while now
[03:31] <VousDeux> nb-au, so, we are in about the same boat then
[03:32] <nb-au> yep
[03:32] <Xero> AmyRose, it seems to be working quite well.
[03:32] <cliechti> i have problems updating gutsy. i'm running it since a few months but now i have broken dependencies
[03:32] <Xero> I use a japanese BIOS, so I can boot NTSC/PAL games.
[03:32] <AmyRose> Ah
[03:32] <cliechti> is it broken at the moment? i have dependency errors with xserver-xorg-video-all
[03:32] <Xero> SCPH1000 no regionlock
[03:32] <nb-au> cliechti, yep im getting similar here
[03:32] <AmyRose> cool, Xero
[03:32] <VousDeux> cliechti, do you have it configured to install from pre-release repositories?
[03:33] <cliechti> nb-au: ok so waiting may solve the issue :-)
[03:33] <nb-au> cliechti, im also getting all kinds of strange crap going on, so what pc is experiencing may not be appliacable
[03:33] <cliechti> VousDeux: i used the update manager to switch to gutsy back then
[03:34] <VousDeux> I had a problem with broken dependencies earlier, with regards to my nvidia, I had to enable pre-release repositories
[03:34] <cliechti> VousDeux: apt/sources.list references "htp://mirror gutsy ..."
[03:35] <chronographer> Hello. Anyone aware of a prolem with msttcorefonts in gutsy? apt keps timing out when trying to get them from sourceforge
[03:35] <VousDeux> that rotten updater even broke my vmware
[03:36] <Assid> yoza
[03:36] <nb-au> VousDeux, so your system isnt runnable?
[03:36] <Xero> Compiz+MediEvil 2 = lol.
[03:37] <cliechti> the update manager does not longer  work here, since a few months already. it displays the packages but it wont do anything on "install" i used apt-get the last few times
[03:37] <VousDeux> yes, it's running, but I can't use the updater anymore until it will stop trying to remove all of this stuff
[03:37] <nb-au> ah
[03:37] <VousDeux> I'm afraid to try an install anything because it won't let me change the status from 'remove'
[03:38] <nb-au> if its like mine, telling it to install will fail anyway
[03:38] <ReL1K> so whats everyones opinions for vmware workstation vs virtualbox?
[03:39] <tomaz> help, i'm using kubuntu 7.10 beta, and strigidaemon is taking too much cpu all the time.
[03:39] <chronographer> I have only used vBox and I think its great
[03:39] <tomaz> the strigi database is about 1gb
[03:39] <tomaz> and i need to kill it every reboot
[03:39] <Xero> My only objection to pSX is that the BIOS is very choppy
[03:39] <cliechti> ReL1K: i dont know vmware but virtualbox runs fine here. installing ubuntu on a windows host was a bit slow though. windows on my linux box is fast
[03:40] <VousDeux> I cleared the boxes for installed and requested, Adept Manager doesn't show anything waiting to be removed...only the updater I guess
[03:40] <Assid> hrmmm anyone here running a c2q?
[03:40] <VousDeux> I'm going to try installing firefox
[03:40] <VousDeux> it worked
[03:41] <chronographer> How canI add mpd to the services which start at start up?
[03:41] <nb-au> i think i might have found my problem
[03:41] <tomaz> somebody?
[03:41] <nb-au> perl-modules hasnt been update yet
[03:41] <nb-au> :|
[03:42] <ReL1K> thnx
[03:42] <ReL1K> yea i got linux running windows, find it very fast on virtualbox
[03:42] <VousDeux> maybe try updating those from the command-line
[03:43] <Assid> linux guest ? host?
[03:43] <Assid> i tried it with vmware.. its pretty decently fast.. nothinng like native tho
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> tomaz: I run kubuntu, but i'm still back on alpha5.
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> tomaz: and no strigi
[03:45] <TQuid> nb-au, thanks for the followup, I have submitted a patch.
[03:46] <tomaz> no strigi?
[03:46] <tomaz> i'm thinking about removing it,
[03:46] <tomaz> is taking away way too many resources.
[03:46] <Assid> i keep trying gutsy but something or another goes wrong for me :(
[03:46] <saeed> hi guys
[03:46] <Assid> last time didnt install properly
[03:46] <Assid> and it killed my mbr
[03:46] <saeed> how do I put 4 desktops on my system?
[03:46] <saeed> I ve installed compiz-fusion
[03:47] <nb-au> Assid, when i had alpha 3, it wouldnt even install proerly on system with more then one hdd ;P
[03:47] <saeed> but I have only 2 desktops
[03:47] <saeed> how do I make it 4 desktops
[03:47] <saeed> so I can use the 3d cube
[03:47] <nb-au> saeed, rofl, rightclick -> preferences
[03:47] <Assid> nb-au: yeah.. after that som time back compiz refused to work with borders
[03:47] <Assid> and emerald refused to install emerald-themes
[03:47] <saeed> where?
[03:47] <saeed> right-click?
[03:47] <nb-au> on the 2desktops
[03:48] <saeed> I can't even see the 2 desktops
[03:48] <saeed> all I know is that when I flip the desktops
[03:48] <nb-au> u just said u have 2 desktops
[03:48] <saeed> I have 2 sides
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> tomaz: yeah..remove it.
[03:48] <nb-au> should be next to the garbage bin
[03:48] <saeed> got it
[03:48] <saeed> thanks
[03:49] <saeed> how do I add more desktops?
[03:49] <nb-au> in prefences put it upto 4
[03:50] <nb-au> the number of workspaces
[03:50] <saeed> I don't have that option
[03:50] <saeed> how do I add it
[03:50] <saeed> ?
[03:50] <nb-au> yes you do
[03:50] <nb-au> lol
[03:50] <Assid> im gonna try loading up gutsy one last time later in a day or so... else im sticking to xp
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> Assid: ouch... what a threat.
[03:50] <saeed> all I have under preferences
[03:50] <Nubbie> gutsy is beta software.
[03:50] <nb-au> Assid, your coming from XP to a beta release of aa system not ready for a month
[03:50] <Assid> nosrednaekim: you keep wanting to shift.. but stupid things break :(
[03:50] <nb-au> install feisty
[03:51] <Nubbie> you should have expected beta software to have bugs.
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> Assid: I understand... but doesn't fiesty work?
[03:51] <Assid> nb-au:  i used to have gutsy before.. it worked better if you installed feisty and then upgraded  to gutsy
[03:51] <saeed> I don't have any options for adding more desktops
[03:51] <Assid> nosrednaekim: i prefer the direct support for compiz etc.
[03:52] <nb-au> saeed, its there, number of workspaces
[03:52] <saeed> all I have is workspace switcher
[03:52] <saeed> nope
[03:52] <saeed> I swear
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> Assid: did you try any other distros?
[03:52] <nb-au> Assid, if your just coming over from windows you shouldnt be using a beta release
[03:52] <steven_> it seems like all the ports are closed
[03:52] <steven_> so torrents arent being to nice...
[03:52] <nb-au> mainly coz if it fscks up, u cant fix it
[03:52] <Assid> nosrednaekim: plus i have pretty new hardware .. i would prefer gutsy as it would have the latest kernel
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> Assid: whats breaking then?
[03:52] <Assid> nosrednaekim: nah.. i like debian based systems
[03:53] <nb-au> Assid, how new? if feisty runs install it
[03:53] <saeed> all I have is "workspace switcher"
[03:53] <cliechti> saeed: you can select the number of workspaces in the preferences of the switcher applet
[03:53] <Assid> nb-au: feisty on my p4 machine. i JUST got my core2quad
[03:53] <Nubbie> i think feisty just received a kernel update yesterday or the day before..
[03:53] <nb-au> Assid, will feisty install on it?
[03:53] <nb-au> if it does, use it
[03:53] <Assid> nosrednaekim: atheros l1 gigabit ethernet didnt catch.. libpython2.5.so  missing..  mbr corrupt
[03:54] <nb-au> only use gutsy if you have to
[03:54] <nb-au> or know what your doing or both
[03:54] <Assid> nb-au: it was more "stable" before
[03:54] <TQuid> Yeah, I went to gutsy when I could not get atheros to work in feisty.
[03:54] <nb-au> Assid, no it wasnt :P
[03:54] <nb-au> i went to gutsy, to fix bugs, then when my new pc arrived i had no choice
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> Assid: probably all issues you could have avoided with fiesty........
[03:54] <Assid> nb-au: must have tbeen the underlying feisty at that time.. cause i remember as tribe 3 and 4 came in.. my machine went bonkers
[03:55] <nb-au> Assid, ahhh, well i went gutsy at tribe 3
[03:55] <Nubbie> because tribes 3 and 4 were ALPHA SOFTWARE.
[03:55] <saeed> how about if I don't have the number of workspaces?
[03:55] <Assid> tribe 2 for me on the p4 was nice.. even the printer and OO worked
[03:56] <nb-au> saeed, you do, if u dont ur doing something wrong
[03:56] <riotkittie> wow. it only took 5 attempts but i've finally got the beta installed and running.
[03:56] <nb-au> riotkittie, welcome to bug central :D
[03:56] <saeed> OK, let me tell you what I am doing
[03:56] <saeed> next to the trash bin, there are 2 squares
[03:56] <nb-au> yep
[03:56] <nb-au> right click
[03:56] <saeed> if I click on anyone, the workspace switches
[03:56] <nb-au> on them
[03:56] <saeed> I have 2 of them
[03:57] <saeed> I right clicked on them
[03:57] <saeed> there's preferences
[03:57] <nb-au> goto preferences
[03:57] <saeed> I clicked on it
[03:57] <riotkittie> what number of workspaces? in the panel  thingie?
[03:57] <saeed> but it said the following
[03:57] <Nubbie> saeed: do you have effects enabled...
[03:57] <saeed> 2
[03:57] <saeed> yes, I have effects enebaled
[03:57] <riotkittie> saeed: try going to system > appearance ... if you have tabs there, it will be on one of the tabs. if not, install compiz-settings-manager
[03:57] <Nubbie> saeed: so why don't you add desktops in GL Desktop menu?
[03:57] <riotkittie> or something similar. i'm not 100% pos thats the package name
[03:57] <Assid> lets see.. i might play with it  maybe on sunday or so
[03:57] <Assid> already downloaded the latest beta
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> riotkittie: I know the executable is called ccsm
[03:58] <Nubbie> saeed: System > Preferences > GL Desktop
[03:58] <Assid> best part is .. ive gotten 3 people onto macs
[03:58] <Assid> lol
[03:58] <Nubbie> macs are disgusting.
[03:58] <Xero> Indeed
[03:58] <Assid> nah.. they are nice
[03:58] <Xero> They thought your Linux was a Mac? Noobs.
[03:59] <Nubbie> you can get a equal or better intel laptop for less money.
[03:59] <Assid> nah
[03:59] <Assid> i told them that there are other OS's out there.. and mac is one of them..
[03:59] <nb-au> you can get a better amd laptop for even less :P
[03:59] <Nubbie> yeah everybody thinks i somehow installed OSX onto a sony laptop.
[03:59] <Assid> 1 of them lost it when i said look no exes and "virii"
[03:59] <nb-au> its viruses
[04:00] <Assid> nb-au: yeah well rm -rf / would be a virus too
[04:00] <Nubbie> lol.
[04:00] <Assid> hence the quote
[04:00] <Nubbie> sudo rm -R /
[04:00] <Nubbie> do it.
[04:00] <DanaG> No.
[04:00] <Nubbie> lol
[04:00] <Nubbie> i was joking
[04:00] <Assid> i have to keep reminding them its a nix based system thats why it performing well
[04:00] <DanaG> That's bad to even joke about!
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> Nubbie: you are not supposed to be doing that.
[04:01] <Nubbie> right i'm sorry guys
[04:01] <Assid> seriously these ghuys were just brainwashed into thinking windows is the only OS out there
[04:01] <Nubbie> i have nuked my own system once... when i first started using linux... running the file manager as a superuser...
[04:01] <Nubbie> Assid: it is, i don't know what you're talking about.
[04:02] <Assid> although yeah.. i like the out of the box support for most of the stuff. WPA-PSK in wifi / synchronising your phone etc.
[04:02] <Xero> Good the night, persons.
[04:02] <Nubbie> you can sync your phone in linux.
[04:02] <cliechti> .... /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst: 56: Syntax error: ")" unexpected (expecting ";;")
[04:02] <Xero> I shall do the talkings to thine faces in the tomorrowtime.
[04:03] <Nubbie> multisync syncs your phones.
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> cliechti: <TQuid> OK, guys, line 56, /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst, previous line should have the ";;" and it doesn't.
[04:03] <Assid> Nubbie: yeah first you hcitool  then multisync and all that
 OK, guys, line 56, /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst, previous line should have the ";;" and it doesn't.
[04:03] <nb-au> arg beaten
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> lol
[04:03] <nb-au> lol
[04:03] <Assid> needs to be a bit more simpler
[04:03] <nosrednaekim> beaten again HA!
[04:03] <nb-au> damn you :'(
[04:03] <nb-au> :P
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> lol
[04:04] <TQuid> As long as you guys are repeating my words, here is the link to the launchpad bug report:
[04:04] <TQuid> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/146513
[04:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146513 in udev "package volumeid 113-0ubuntu13 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[04:04] <Nubbie> i'm still trying to figure out hibernation
[04:04] <Xero> Oh hell. So I shouldn't install updates to volumeid?
[04:05] <nb-au> Xero, its an easy fix
[04:05] <Nubbie> what would happen if you purged it, then reinstalled it?
[04:05] <Xero> True enough.
[04:05] <TQuid> Xero, well, you can just pop in that line and re-run dpkg --configure
[04:05] <Nubbie> forcibly...
[04:05] <Assid> Nubbie: you ever used isync ? or nokia pc suite on windows?
[04:05] <Xero> Nope nope nope. Never heard of the Windy Dose.
[04:05] <Nubbie> Assid: i stay away from macintosh. and i haven't used windows in 4 years.
[04:06] <Assid> lucky you
[04:06] <Nubbie> but i will tell you this, multisync took all of 3 minutes to get going.
[04:06] <TQuid> I'm a sysadmin by trade. i get to use Windows. Sigh.
[04:06] <Assid> again.. luycky you.. last time i tried on feisty.. it just refused to..
[04:06] <Xero> Windee Dose are bad bad bad bad for you I hear.
[04:06] <Nubbie> does your phone and computer have bluetooth?
[04:06] <Assid> i did managed to get most of the bluetooth explorer working
[04:06] <Assid> yeah
[04:06] <cliechti> TQuid: you need to know the bad things to value the good ones ;-)
[04:06] <Assid> although i do prefer cable
[04:07] <TQuid> cliechti, sure. :)
[04:07] <Xero> It makey the boomboom in the compooter parts
[04:07] <Nubbie> the hardest thing for me with multisync was finding out which terminal it was connecting with.
[04:07] <Xero> and not works anymore and gives you no fweeeeeeeeeeeeedum
[04:07] <Xero> the windy dose are bad.
[04:07] <Assid> hrmm what about support for those cheap end chinese cameras
[04:07] <Nubbie> plus buying a good phone with proper UMS is a good idea.
[04:07] <Assid> i got a nokia e61
[04:07] <TQuid> I can't get the nicer 3d games to work with my crap-ass Intel gfx card, that's my only complaint. Booting in less than a minute is pretty sweet.
[04:07] <Assid> think it supports opensync
[04:08] <Xero> Mine takes a bit longer. It uses Samba server, Apache, etc.
[04:08] <Assid> hrmm
[04:08] <Xero> Mine takes about 2 mins to boot including GUI and all servers.
[04:08] <Assid> nb-au: i got the evga 8600gts
[04:08] <nb-au> hehe kewl
[04:08] <Xero> MPD, Apache, Samba, Virtualization, KVM, NVidia module, GUI all loaded in 2 minutes.
[04:08] <Assid> apparently evga gives it superclocked
[04:08] <nb-au> dual core 6000+, and 4GB ram :P
[04:09] <TQuid> The main pride of my < 1-wk old machine is that I finally have RAID1 at home. This of course makes me a huge stud and I get dates like anything.
[04:09] <Xero> If windows had to do that, it would take about 10 minutes.
[04:09] <Skiff> guys if I dont specify /home it will just be on the same partition as / ?
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> TQuid: lol
[04:09] <TQuid> Skiff, yep.
[04:09] <Xero> Skiff, yes.
[04:09] <Skiff> ty
[04:09] <Assid> nb-au: core2quad Q6600 @3.29 o/c but with only 2GB corsair
[04:09] <Xero> Okay personages. Sleeping tiem is now.
[04:09] <Xero> Good the nightings.
[04:09] <TQuid> Assid: good lord.
[04:10] <Assid> TQuid: i used windows
[04:10] <Assid> hehe
[04:10] <Assid> im excused
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> I want a barcelona...
[04:10] <TQuid> I had to go through some hell getting this thing put together, turned out the FSB speed was incompatible betwixt the first cpu + mobo I got.
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> $340 for a quad core.
[04:10] <Assid> nosrednaekim: not bad.. or wait for the penryns
[04:11] <nb-au> Assid, 2gb is more then enough ive never seen my 4gb over 10% used, rofl, a tad of overkill on my part i think
[04:11] <TQuid> I was trying to replace a dead machine so I could write my final paper for B.A. Justice Studies degree. Never, ever, build a computer in a hurry.
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> Assid: you can't ALWAYS keep on waiting.
[04:11] <nb-au> will be used when i install some games in wine but
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[04:12] <Assid> nosrednaekim: yeah one of the reasons why i bougth this rig.. i just got it last week
[04:12] <Assid> nosrednaekim: one of the reasons why i wanna move away to linux SOON.. dont wanna keep waiting for MS to remove an OS that doesnt need 8GB of ram
[04:13] <TQuid> I gotta get wine figured.
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> Assid: try gutsy in about 3 weeks when its all finished.
[04:13] <TQuid> People have been telling me it "just works" but that's not my experience so far.
[04:14] <Assid> i think my biggest accomplishment was to move my bro and his friend onto a mac.. they both were MS fan boys.. according to them if it ran MS, it had to be good cause they were the richest software co.
[04:14] <TQuid> Assid: yeah, and the USA is the best country because it's richest.
[04:14] <TQuid> *cough*
[04:14] <Assid> nosrednaekim: honestly.. once im settled in, im gonna feel realllly lazy to wanna shift later
[04:14] <Assid> richest ?
[04:14] <DanaG> Mac isn't for me -- I can't stand one-corner-only browsing, and one-button touchpad without 2- and 3-finger tapping.
[04:14] <nb-au> inserts more coughing
[04:14] <nb-au> MUCH MORE COUGHING
[04:15] <nb-au> :)
[04:15] <DanaG> 2-fingers-plus-button doesn't count.
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> TQuid: I was just about to say that
[04:15] <TQuid> Not to dis too much my fine American friends, speaking as a hybrid CanuckiMerican myself.
[04:15] <Assid> DanaG: thats why they came out with the "mighty mouse"
[04:15] <Assid> ofcourse apple is too arrogant to say "we screwed up"
[04:16] <Assid> but seriously tho.. the prices you guys spend for computers in the US, vs what we spend here is just EVIL
[04:16] <DanaG> But I need a good touchpad.
[04:16] <Assid> i need a better monitor
[04:16] <DanaG> I love using a good touchpad; regular mice cause more RSI for me.
[04:16] <TQuid> Where ya at, Assid? I probably get screwed even worse in Canada.
[04:17] <TiaGo|SouZa> any tips on how to activate the compiz effects on ATI ?!
[04:17] <TiaGo|SouZa> I already installed xgl
[04:17] <Assid> TQuid: india
[04:18] <Assid> we normally spend 20% higher here for high end parts
[04:18] <nb-au> TiaGo|SouZa, they were disabled in the latest drivers if u did an envy instal iirc
[04:18] <nb-au> get new version of envy
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> TiaGo|SouZa: umm did you log into a XGL session?
[04:18] <DanaG> Why use envy?  It's one of those seven sins.......... (joke.)
[04:18] <nb-au> Assid, cant imagine your prices been much more expensive then here in Oz
[04:19] <TiaGo|SouZa> nosrednaekim: yeap
[04:19] <TiaGo|SouZa> I'm on XGL session
[04:19] <TiaGo|SouZa> at least gusty told me so
[04:19] <TiaGo|SouZa> :P
[04:19] <Assid> nb-au: the 8600GTS here is like $275
[04:19] <nosrednaekim> TiaGo|SouZa: run the command "compiz --replace"
[04:19] <nb-au> same, ebay was my friend though :P
[04:19] <TiaGo|SouZa> nb-au: envy doesn't work!
[04:19] <TiaGo|SouZa> :D
[04:19] <nb-au> got mine for 215
[04:19] <TiaGo|SouZa> I'm on my on
[04:19] <nb-au> TiaGo|SouZa, you can hack it
[04:19] <Assid> nb-au: ASUS P5KC - 237.5
[04:19] <DanaG> You can just install nvidia drivers yourself.
[04:20] <DanaG> Or use the nvidia-glx-new package -- it's 100.14.19, I think.
[04:20] <TQuid> I thought nvidia was part of -restricted now.
[04:20] <nb-au> yeah it is lol
[04:20] <TQuid> Speaking of gfx, what's a decent pci-e card that won't break the bank?
[04:20] <TiaGo|SouZa> nb-au: I don't know how
[04:20] <Assid> TQuid: 8500 or 8600GTS
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> TQuid: the new ATI ones.
[04:20] <Assid> ATI on linux ?!
[04:21] <Assid> i thoguht the support was bad
[04:21] <TiaGo|SouZa> shortly, I'll have to download the latest ATI drivers from their site, and then install it
[04:21] <chronographer> Hello I got a problem. i run dpkg-reconfigure mpd and i get this response start-stop-daemon: --start needs --exec or --startas Try `start-stop-daemon --help' for more information.
[04:21] <TiaGo|SouZa> am I right?!
[04:21] <Skiff> guys I get this error while installing "migration-assistant needs to mount a partition but cannot do so because the following mount point could not be unmounted : /mnt/migrationassistant     please close any applications using these mount points ( I dont have anything opened in the live cd)      any idea what it is?
[04:21] <nb-au> TiaGo|SouZa, theres howtos floating around, your probably better off with the 8.41's if ur running r500/600 card
[04:21] <TiaGo|SouZa> hm
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> Assid: it just got a whole lot better
[04:21] <nb-au> envy doesnt support that driver yet but
[04:21] <Assid> really? then why did i buy this?
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> Skiff: you on beta?
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> Assid: because it just got better like 3 weeks ago
[04:21] <Assid> TQuid: you can get the 8600GTS in the US for 165 bucks
[04:21] <nb-au> Assid, nv still has perf. crown
[04:22] <Skiff> nosrednaekim, yeah
[04:22] <TiaGo|SouZa> no, the latest driver for my card is still 8.40
[04:22] <TiaGo|SouZa> :S
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> Skiff: that made my install crash too.
[04:22] <Skiff> nosrednaekim, so how did you install it?
[04:22] <nb-au> TiaGo|SouZa, which card?
[04:22] <TQuid> Skiff, lsof will usually give a clue.
[04:22] <Assid> hrmm i think my machine just migfht be overkill for my usage
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> Skiff: I went back to an old kubuntu alpha 5
[04:22] <Assid> developing php scripts :|
[04:22] <TiaGo|SouZa> X1300
[04:22] <nb-au> Assid, it is
[04:22] <Skiff> nosrednaekim, ah gotcha
[04:22] <Skiff> so its a known issue I take it
[04:22] <buttercups> skiff:  same here, went back to old 5 and updated
[04:22] <TiaGo|SouZa> I already look for it in ATI site
[04:23] <Assid> hrmm might just run boinc
[04:23] <TiaGo|SouZa> 8.40
[04:23] <nb-au> i can have several things running one core on 1-2% and the other on nil
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> TiaGo|SouZa: just use the restricted-manager
[04:23] <DanaG> Open-source drivers haven't gotten far yet... these things take time.
[04:23] <TQuid> Assid, $149 at the place 2 blocks from my place.
[04:23] <TiaGo|SouZa> it didn't work
[04:23] <Assid> TQuid: nice..
[04:23] <TiaGo|SouZa> actually, the restricted manager brought me a lot of bugs instead!
[04:24] <TiaGo|SouZa> the graphics turn to be very slow and bugful
[04:24] <TiaGo|SouZa> don't know why
[04:24] <TQuid> That's the Asus version Assid, is that the one you meant?
[04:24] <Assid> TQuid: id go with the evga or xfx
[04:24] <Assid> primarily xf
[04:25] <Assid> xfx
[04:25] <TQuid> Hrm, seems like Asus is the main thing this joint carries.
[04:26] <TQuid> Let's try ncix.
[04:26] <TQuid> What's to choose among gfx card manufacturers anyway? i quite like Asus for mobo's, for example.
[04:26] <TiaGo|SouZa> ok, I just thought that gusty would do all that by itself..sorry for that
[04:27] <TiaGo|SouZa> I know how to install the ATI restricted driver
[04:27] <nb-au> all graphics cards are basically the same, manufacturers only matter if you want to OC
[04:27] <Assid> TQuid: xfx is the most recommended if your using the 8600GTS .. some companies used HDCP support/compatible and some actually carry the HDCP chip
[04:27] <Assid> nb-au: wrong
[04:27] <Skiff> when I try enabling restricted drivers I get the software source for the package xorg-driver-fglrx is not enabled, well how do I enable it?
[04:28] <nb-au> Assid, not wrong :)
[04:28] <Assid> yeah
[04:28] <Assid> like your card has HDCP chip
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> Skiff: enable universe and multiverse and run apt-get update
[04:28] <Assid> mine just supports hdcp
[04:28] <Skiff> nosrednaekim, universe and mutivrse how?
[04:28] <TQuid> 'course I should probably get that WRT54GL router first.
[04:29] <nb-au> Assid, by the time we need HDCP, we wont be running our current cards
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> Skiff: open up synaptic/adept and go to manage repositories and make sure those repositores are enabled, then update the package lists
[04:29] <TQuid> Considering the D-link crap thing is slowing me down 5x.
[04:29] <Assid> nb-au: i dont plan to upgrade anytime soon
[04:29] <Assid> atleast for the next 4 years
[04:29] <nb-au> hell ill probably even have a HDCP compat lcd by then :P
[04:29] <TQuid> What the hey is hdcp?
[04:29] <Assid> this machine costed me a pretty penny
[04:30] <Assid> TQuid: you need it if you ever wanna play real high def content .. blue ray movies included
[04:30] <nb-au> TQuid, that tech for bluray/hd-dvd that makes sure ur not copying whatever it is, u need to support it if u want full res on windows
[04:30] <nb-au> on linux we just hacked around it :P
[04:30] <TQuid> I don't think the drive I have will do that.
[04:30] <nb-au> u have a bluray/hddvd drive?
[04:31] <TQuid> Nope, just DVD DL blahblah
[04:31] <nb-au> yeah same
[04:31] <chronographer> hey all anyone want to havea guess at why sudo dpkg-reconfigure mpd  returns an error of something to do with the daemon?  and also how to get mpd running as a service at startup without using dpkg????????
[04:31] <TQuid> chkconfig mpd on?
[04:31] <chronographer> ??
[04:31] <chronographer> what is that
[04:31] <TQuid> That's the traditional "make this go as a service." I'm not sure Deb-derived does that though.
[04:32] <chronographer> command not found
[04:32] <TQuid> Huh.
[04:32] <chronographer> mustn't be a debia thing?
[04:32] <TQuid> Well it's using SysV-style init.
[04:32] <nosrednaekim> well...actually its trying to go to upstart..
[04:32] <Assid> nb-au: actually since im planning to do some pc gaming.. the main idea when i got this is to keep windows for gaming and extra crap and linux for my work and everythiung else and use wine for the likes of dreamweaver
[04:32] <nosrednaekim> wihch may be why
[04:33] <Skiff> nosrednaekim, how do I enable universe and multiverse? because when I run apt-get update  Iget and error
[04:33] <TQuid> Hm, this is fancier than chkconfig, some kinda dependency thing . . .
[04:33] <nosrednaekim> Skiff: what error>
[04:33] <chronographer> i can run mpd. using sudo mpd
[04:33] <chronographer> its fine
[04:33] <TQuid> What the heck IS the command-line tool to fiddle the init files?
[04:33] <chronographer> i just want it to start at boot and cant use dpkg
[04:34] <nb-au> add the command to startup?
[04:34] <chronographer> or need to fix this dpkg error
[04:34] <chronographer> it needs a password
[04:34] <chronographer> doesn't it?
[04:34] <Skiff> E; could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock open (11 resource temporarily unavailable
[04:34] <nb-au> try it
[04:34] <Skiff> E; unable to lock the list directory
[04:34] <nosrednaekim> !adeptfix | Skiff
[04:34] <ubotu> Skiff: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[04:35] <nb-au> so was anyone else offered this broken perl update?
[04:35] <nb-au> or am i the only one :(
[04:35] <nosrednaekim> I'm out ya'lll have fun.
[04:35] <Skiff> nosrednaekim, worked
[04:35] <Skiff> thanks
[04:35] <nickrud> sear_yoda: tried the apt-get -f install yet?
[04:36] <sear_yoda> i've tried it before with mixed luck; i've been forcing packges left and right for awhile
[04:36] <chronographer> maybe i will purge mpd and install again... apt-get --purge mpd is right right?
[04:36] <sear_yoda> right now it's picked up a bunch more packages, i'm letting that run
[04:37] <sear_yoda> the main thing is getting update-manager to not throw the error: A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[04:37] <CountX> can i get a woop woop
[04:37] <CountX> :)
[04:37] <nickrud> sear_yoda: forget update manager, you're in apt-get & aptitude territory now
[04:37] <sear_yoda> nickrud, i'm fine with that, i just know the reccomended way of doing a dist upgrade is with that
[04:38] <Skiff> ok restarting with restricted drivers, lets see how this new badboy will look
[04:38] <nickrud> sear_yoda: yes, but it's totally useless for fixing a borked upgrade.
[04:38] <sear_yoda> i did find a bug in volumeid's postinst script
[04:38] <sear_yoda> it was missing a ;; and that was causing some problems
[04:38] <CountX> borked?
[04:38] <nickrud> hm, I haven't got that upgrade yet. I'll hold it for a while, thanks :)
[04:38] <CountX> thats a new one
[04:39] <nb-au> sear-yoda welcome to my world
[04:39] <nb-au> widdled it down to just the perl updates yet :p
[04:39] <nickrud> from the senate confirmation hearings of robert bork, who the right claims was screwed. Borked is now a verb
[04:39] <HHornblower> Hey all. Have an odd question. Both Adept and Synaptic want to upgrade 64 packages and remove 996... essentially all of KDE.
[04:39] <HHornblower> any clue why?
[04:39] <CountX> should i go to winehq, or here for help with getting BF2 playing on ubuntu?
[04:40] <nb-au> CountX, winehq
[04:40] <CountX> they said to go here
[04:40] <CountX> lol
[04:40] <nickrud> HHornblower: try apt-get upgrade , compare that as well
[04:40] <nb-au> HHornblower, coz gutsy has shat itself :)
[04:40] <HHornblower> nb-au: thanks for the tip. ;)
[04:40] <HHornblower> nickrud: roger
[04:41] <nb-au> i managed to fix everything on mine by forcing upgrades, etc. except ive got only perl left which requires a non-existant dependancy
[04:41] <Skiff> hmm I restarted with restricted drivers, saw the ubuntu logo loading and then blank screen :/
[04:41] <nickrud> nb-au: the package doesn't exist, but perl claims it needs it??
[04:41] <nb-au> Skiff, will reappear at login probably
[04:41] <nb-au> nickrud, yep
[04:41] <HHornblower> nickrud: hmmm. that shows only the upgrades.
[04:41] <Skiff> nb-au, well its been 2 min
[04:42] <nb-au> nickrud, perl-modules 5.8.8-7ubuntu3
[04:42] <nickrud> HHornblower: yup, gutsy is seriously out of whack then.
[04:42] <HHornblower> gotcha.
[04:42] <HHornblower> nickrud: so, just use apt-get for the time being?
[04:42] <sear_yoda> here's a general question for ya - what constitutes running 7.10? using the 7.10 package set?
[04:43] <nb-au> nickrud, perl-modules 5.8.8-7ubuntu2 exists, which is what it was upgrading from, the other 5.8.8-7ubuntu3's exist, just not perl-modules :(
[04:43] <nickrud> HHornblower: try one more, see what aptitude upgrade wants to do
[04:43] <nickrud> nb-au: just a chronological problem then.
[04:43] <HHornblower> nickrud: same as apt-get upgrade
[04:44] <nickrud> HHornblower: then i'd use aptitude
[04:44] <HHornblower> nickrud: gotcha. more feature-intensive?
[04:44] <TQuid> Seems like this gfx card is destined for DirectX 10 & that's part of the price; whereas other cards have higher performance, no dx10, but cheaper.
[04:44] <nb-au> nickrud, so just wait?
[04:45] <Assid> TQuid: are you ever gonna game on it?
[04:45] <nickrud> it's the only tool I use to actually install packages. It tracks a few more things than apt-get does, and has a really useful ncurses interface for fixing broken stuff
[04:45] <nickrud> nb-au: yeah, it'll probably show up in the next package push
[04:45] <TQuid> Assid . . . well, I kinda wanna. Dunno if I want to go so far as installing windows and doing serious gaming on a different partition.
[04:45] <HHornblower> nickrud: handy. I'll have to figure out the interface. It made my head hurt for the few minutes I poked around with it then.
[04:45] <nb-au> okies, kewl, any timeframe on that, or just wait and see?
[04:45] <Assid> TQuid: if you really wanna game ..that wouldbe your choice
[04:46] <TQuid> They're dissin' it hard on this bbs.
[04:46] <TQuid> http://forum.ncix.com/forums/index.php?mode=showthread&msg_id=1324821&threadid=1324821&forum=101&product_id=23700&msgcount=19&overclockid=0#msg1324821
[04:46] <Assid> there arent really much opengl games out there that that would push this card tho
[04:46] <nickrud> HHornblower: a quicky guide is at help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide. It has a link to the complete docs as well. The search stuff is worth learning
[04:46] <nb-au> Assid, wine does a good job for most games
[04:46] <Assid> nb-au: nothing like native
[04:46] <HHornblower> nickrud: much thanks, good sir!
[04:47] <TQuid> I tend to play a lot of stuff I find on Home of the Underdogs anyway. :)
[04:47] <nb-au> Assid, err, some games wine is faster then native, of course on others it can be slow or buggy
[04:47] <nb-au> TQuid, that place rules, ruled more before they had to remove all the good games :(
[04:47] <HHornblower> HotU rocks. :-D
[04:47] <TQuid> nb-au, what happened?!
[04:48] <nb-au> TQuid, a few years back it was more like a dos-games warez site :P
[04:48] <TQuid> Ah.
[04:48] <TQuid> But I thought they always had a policy that they only put up what had no clear rights-holder.
[04:49] <nb-au> not afaik
[04:49] <nb-au> u used to see through it "removed due to <that american piracy thingo>
[04:51] <Skiff> hmmm after ubuntu loading screen, restricted drivers dont load anything
[04:51] <Skiff> how can I remove them or make it work :/
[04:51] <Skiff> for ati
[04:53] <Skiff> ok finally I got an error saying couldnt start x
[04:53] <nickrud> Skiff: look at the error file it mentions
[04:54] <Skiff> the image that showed was all screwed up as well
[04:54] <Skiff> so  I couldnt really see much
[04:54] <nickrud> it should be ~/.xsession-errors iirc
[04:55] <CountX> wow, i just got baned from winehq...
[04:55] <nickrud> lol, must hate the aristocracy there
[04:56] <scizzo-> nice openoffice updates
[04:56] <nb-au> CountX, y?
[04:56] <CountX> nb-au, i really dont know
[04:57] <CountX> i hadnt said anything for a looong time in that channel
[04:57] <TQuid> So, kinda dumb question, when aptitude decides to keep stuff back with safe-upgrade, does that stay kept back till I try full-upgrade and dependencies are OK?
[04:58] <TQuid> Or will a later safe-upgrade, once the dependencies are fixed, work?
[04:59] <nickrud> TQuid: safe-upgrade simply doesn't install new packages, full-upgrade will. The packages that are being held back probably require new packages. You can run full-upgrade -s (simulate) to see what will happen
[05:00] <CountX> anyone think they can take  alook at this pastebin for trying to run BF2 with wine? http://pastebin.com/d6107369c
[05:00] <TQuid> Yeah, right now full-upgrade is pissed about some vaporware that perl wants.
[05:00] <nb-au> TQuid, yep, dont force it whatever you do
[05:00] <Skiff> brb
[05:00] <nb-au> u need perl-modules new version
[05:00] <TQuid> It generally seems to offer a few opportunities: a) don't upgrade some stuff; b) fuck shit up; and c) fuck shit up real bad. [y/n/q] 
[05:00] <wabiD> is anyone else having this problem with gran paradiso - http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/857/screenshotvt1.png
[05:01] <nb-au> so we play the waiting game
[05:01] <woodwizzle> how do i install sun-java in gutsy?
[05:01] <TQuid> I can live without the very latest perl. :)
[05:01] <TQuid> I'd like to know why sun-java doesn't have javaws and I have to put in 1.4's jre for that. That's just weird.
[05:02] <woodwizzle> didn't there used to be just a sun-java package?
[05:02] <CountX> when do we get wine 0.9.46 in gutsy?
[05:02] <woodwizzle> like a meta package
[05:02] <TQuid> I think it's sun-java6
[05:02] <CountX> is it going to eventually float to the repos?
[05:02] <TQuid> Er, -bin and -sdk
[05:02] <wabiD> sun-java6-plugin is the firefox one
[05:02] <nb-au> CountX, it should, up until not long back we didnt have .45
[05:03] <wabiD> and the plugin comes with jre
[05:03] <woodwizzle> sun-java6-jre?
[05:03] <nb-au> should keep updating until final, at which point it wont matter coz winehq repos for gutsy will open
[05:03] <woodwizzle> i should probably point out I'm on amd64
[05:03] <CountX> like, shouldnt wine just go to 1.0??
[05:03] <wabiD> sun-java6-source
[05:03] <wabiD> jk
[05:03] <nb-au> woodwizzle, no amd64 java plugin iirc
[05:04] <TQuid> *snrk* there are industry-standard tools out there that are at like 0.4, been in use for years.
[05:04] <nb-au> java works fine, just not in a browser :P
[05:04] <woodwizzle> poop
[05:04] <woodwizzle> well I need it for out of azerus
[05:04] <nb-au> CountX, it will go 1.0 when its fulfilled what theyve stated will be in 1.0
[05:04] <woodwizzle> but thats a bummer about browsers
[05:05] <CountX> whats that?
[05:05] <woodwizzle> so which package do i need?
[05:05] <woodwizzle> can't be -source (i hope)
[05:05] <nb-au> cant remember, but basically stuff to do with compatibility CountX
[05:06] <CountX> nb-au, sorry to bother you, id ask in winehq if i wasnt baned
[05:06] <nb-au> it was in the news on their website a few months back
[05:06] <CountX> i just got involved with linux
[05:07] <joeamined> hi
[05:07] <joeamined> systems sounds aren't triggered in my gutsy. How to fix that ? has it been reported ?
[05:07] <_dan_> are they enabled in sound options?
[05:08] <stonebear> Anyone have an issue w/ the info boxes that popup on the pointer of a mouse, always being blacked out boxes?
[05:09] <nb-au> stonebear, nope, filed a bug?
[05:09] <joeamined> dan : yes they are
[05:09] <_dan_> esd running?
[05:09] <stonebear> not yet
[05:09] <joeamined> dan : i can hear them in preferences dialog, but they aren't triggered at login, disconnect....
[05:10] <_dan_> for some login messages u have to config gdm
[05:10] <_dan_> the bing when gdm comes up
[05:10] <_dan_> besides that i dont know of that bug no
[05:11] <joeamined> yes esd is running..
[05:12] <nickrud> stonebear: I've heard that if you change themes, that goes away. Haven't seen it myself
[05:12] <TQuid> G'night folks, have fun. Thanks for the advice Assim and others.
[05:17] <pavan> ubuntu (almost) no functional after attempted upgrade to gutsy 7.10 .. can i please get some help.. thanks
[05:18] <stonebear> nickrud, That helped.  Thanks
[05:18] <RAOF> pavan: Sorry, you'll also get a better response if you actually say what's wrong (exact text of error messages have be extremely useful) :)
[05:18] <osmosis> anyone tried Xen on gutsy. I havent been able to get it to work on amd64.
[05:19] <pavan> OK... i will try & explain what happend..
[05:19] <CountX> anyone know how i can plee to the ops on #winehq to get un-banned
[05:20] <pavan> update-manager -d .. it took for a while.. but unfortunatly.. i was not there when it completed .. so not sure of the status.. this is a laptop where it rebooted to windows
[05:21] <CountX> maybe i can use a prox?
[05:21] <CountX> proxy*
[05:21] <pavan> when i switch to ubuntu.. i am in gutsy 7.10 .. but NO network.. eth0 or wlan0.. neither work.. Gnome is all garbled up.. i don't see what i am trying in console..
[05:21] <CountX> pavan, in windows?
[05:22] <pavan> sorry.. i dual boot.. still
[05:22] <CountX> pavan, is it a laptop?
[05:23] <pavan> yes it is.. i had fiesty working wonderfully..
[05:23] <CountX> hmm
[05:24] <pavan> when i tried /etc/init.d/networks restart.. i am getting all kinds of unable to access messages.. unfortunatly i don't have much of actual messages..
[05:24] <pavan> let me see if i can look @ the messages file..
[05:25] <igorgue> last update broke the apt db right?
[05:25] <pavan> there was a windows program.. that i used to access my linux partition / files.. cannot remember it..anyone has an idea??
[05:26] <pavan> also when i try update-manager -d again.. it says.. i don't have gtk..
[05:28] <igorgue> I get exactly this: 'E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.'
[05:29] <nb-au> igorgue, we are waiting on a perl update
[05:29] <igorgue> cool
[05:31] <pavan> using explore2fs app.. i am able to get to the /var/log/messages...
[05:33] <pavan> this line in the messages file "No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled. " doesnt sound correct.. any ideas what needs to be done
[05:35] <pavan> any one here to help please..
[05:37] <dns_56> it seems xorg is not installable, problems with dependencies in xbase-clients
[05:43] <Kstrings> Is anyone else have minor issues with xorg.conf getting munged up with wrong drivers every couple of reboots?
[05:44] <HHornblower> Kstrings: my problem was getting compiz enabled. that fixed most of my problems.
[06:24] <zengen> I installed the daily alternative on a laptop, encrypting all but the boot partition.  After Grub loads it hangs for a few minutes and then I get "/dev/mapper/sda2_crypt does exist.  Dropping to a shell!"  Any ideas?
[06:24] <zengen> does not exist*
[06:25] <RAOF> zengen: Yeah, that's a bug.
[06:25] <zengen> Any current way to fix it?
[06:26] <RAOF> zengen: You can run "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda2 sda2_crypt" and then enter your passphrase, then type exit to continue booting.
[06:26] <RAOF> zengen: Basically our boot sequence doesn't unlock the drive early enough, so you need to do it manually.
[06:30] <zengen> I'm getting "Failed to setup dm-crypt key mapping." "Check the kernel for support..." and Command failed: No key availiable with this passphrase."
[06:31] <osmosis> anyone know why my eth interfaces have the wrong numbers ?
[06:31] <osmosis> should I file a bug or does that already exist ?
[06:32] <RAOF> zengen: That suggests to me that you've entered the wrong passphrase.
[06:32] <RAOF> zengen: That's the error I get when I enter the wrong passphrase twice.
[06:32] <CountX> how can i resize a videos resolution?
[06:32] <zengen> I was thinking that, too, but I tried it multiple times.
[06:32] <CountX> i have a screencap at 1440x900 and i need it down a lot, maybe half
[06:32] <RAOF> zengen: :(
[06:33] <CountX> its ogg video format, anyone?
[06:33] <zengen> Oh, well.  Thanks, anyway.  I just wanted to see how the install encryption worked.
[06:43] <CountX> mjpegtools
[06:43] <CountX> ?
[06:44] <RAOF> CountX: ffmpeg is good.
[06:44] <CountX> to encode?
[06:45] <CountX> how?
[06:46] <RAOF> CountX: Well, by installing it, and going man ffmpeg, generally.
[06:46] <CountX> ...
[06:46] <CountX> the man is huge
[06:47] <RAOF> CountX: But a quick cheat sheet goes something like 'ffmpeg -i input file output_file"
[06:47] <CountX> how would you encode a ogg file to a smaller resolution?
[06:47] <CountX> mmaybe make it xvid?
[06:48] <RAOF> CountX: So, you'd go "ffmpeg -i my.ogg -s WIDTHxHEIGHT -vcodec mpeg4 -b <bitrate> output.mp4"
[06:48] <RAOF> Or something similar.
[06:48] <CountX> cool
[06:49] <defcon> I see there is a new "Custom" setting for gutsy desktop effects, it doesnt give an option to customize, where is the tool located
[06:50] <CountX> oh wow thats bad quality
[06:50] <RAOF> defcon: Compizconfig-settings-manager.  If you've got that installed, the "custom" option should have a configure button next to it.
[06:50] <defcon> RAOF, I see, will compiz settings manager screw up the normal desktop effectrs
[06:50] <defcon> effects*
[06:51] <defcon> is it compatible together?
[06:51] <RAOF> CountX: There are a number of traps for the uninitiated.  It's possible that <bitrate> is in bits/sec at this point, so you probably want something like "-b 500k" for 500kbit/sec
[06:51] <defcon> i know in feisty is screwed things up
[06:51] <RAOF> defcon: It won't break anything.  It's just a configuration frontend.
[06:51] <defcon> RAOF, cool
[06:51] <defcon> thankyou
[06:51] <defcon> RAOF, your always here :) thanks for the help now and in the past ur chillin :)
[06:52] <sear_yoda> I'm very close to having this working now, but I'm stuck at:  libfontconfig1: Depends: fontconfig-config (= 2.4.2-1.2ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[06:52] <CountX> RAOF, COOL
[06:52] <sear_yoda> even through my version of fontconfig-config = that version
[06:52] <CountX> how might i tell it to do multiple passes?
[06:52] <CountX> like a triple pass?
[06:52] <nb-au> sear_yoda, rofl
[06:52] <nb-au> o well at least urs doesnt need a nonexistent package
[06:53] <jumpkick> wtf?  Adept wants to remove 484 packages (1.6GB of Gutsy)...  very strange
[06:54] <nb-au> jumpkick, gutsy has shat itself
[06:54] <nb-au> alot of us have had similar or the same
[06:54] <jumpkick> nb-au: I see
[06:55] <CountX> whats a good codec thats popular enough to use for distrubuting on a website?
[06:55] <jumpkick> at least I don't feel so bad, since I'm not alone
[06:55] <nb-au> CountX, mpeg?
[06:55] <CountX> k
[06:57] <sear_yoda> grr, why does synaptic want to remove all of my packages
[06:58] <Kstrings> sear_yoda:  It dosent like you.  Nothing personal =)
[06:58] <kurros> hehe
[06:58] <sear_yoda> but i treat it so well...
[06:59] <kurros> there was a short period today where the language meta package hadn't caught up with the openoffice update
[07:06] <sear_yoda> looks like my problem is a confirmed bug
[07:06] <sear_yoda> i'll sleep on it, i guess
[07:15] <sear_yoda> is the sticky notes gnome panel applet not gutsy compatible?
[07:20] <sear_yoda> nb-au, I'm stuck with only perl as well :P
[07:33] <mikubuntu> knock knock, anybody home
[07:33] <Hobbsee> no
[07:33] <cdm10> Hey, how's the beta going? I've been thinking of installing it... Feisty's already broken, so I don't care if it screws anything up.
[07:37] <kurros> hehe
[07:39] <Kstrings> Has anyone here tested building a package from source on 7.10? (apt-get source, then pbuilder)
[07:46] <Hobbsee> uh, yes
[07:54] <mikubuntu> oh, why, oh, why .... ?  i downloaded tribe 5 last week and was so thrilled because i got a nice crisp 1024 x 768 screenres, which i have not been able to get the last 4 mos on feisty ... so today i decided to go ahead and upgrade the beta of gutsy ... was kind of scary.  lots of errors in the process for some reason, and after couple hours of updating, i got a message that there was a...
[07:54] <mikubuntu> ...failure to upgrade, and my system might have been left 'unuseable' ... YIPES! but anyways, it's not unuseable, and after i rebooted, i ran sudo apt-get update, and seems to have updated most everything ok, and no probs with my data, BUT, i still have this DAMN 800 x 600 screenres, and i'm just BESIDE MYSELF about it ... lol ... <-- effort at humor)   can someone PLEASE help me get my...
[07:54] <mikubuntu> ...screenresolution up to snuff?
[07:55] <hylje> consider using slightly shorter lines
[07:55] <hylje> as it is you're putting out a wall of text
[07:56] <Daisuke-Laptop> yeah, bear in mind this is a chat medium, and not a forum
[07:56] <Nubbie> k let me start...
[07:57] <Nubbie> System > Administration > Screens and Graphics
[08:00] <fulat2k> hi folks, is there something broken upgrading kubuntu feisty to gg b1?  i'm using the method in the wiki but adept-manager says it can't get the repos.
[08:00] <nIRV_> good day. where can I find the ".xsession" file? thanks
[08:01] <Juggie> hey, i've just tried ubuntu for the first time and i must say its awesome on my laptop... but i cant get desktop effects working, i've followed all the steps in the howto, and i've previously had it working on fedora without issue.. does anyone know of any outstanding issues with gutsy desktop acceleration
[08:02] <Juggie> or where i could look to debug it
[08:02] <nickrud> nIRV_: if you don't have one in your home dir, you'd make one
[08:02] <nIRV_> okeydokey, thanks
[08:03] <nIRV_> that .xsession will be used while launching a user session or while launching gdm?
[08:04] <frostburn> where can i get perl-modules-5.8.8-7ubuntu3
[08:05] <frostburn> nm, just read devel
[08:05] <nickrud> nIRV_: it'd be used when you start X with xsession, or use the xsession session from gdm
[08:05] <nickrud> nIRV_: erm replace the first xsession with startx, please
[08:06] <luckyone> can anyone help me resolve dependency problems with volumeid and udev?
[08:07] <frostburn> luckyone, you'll have to edit line 56 or whatever and add the ;;
[08:07] <nIRV_> nickrud, I'm basically trying to add a xrandr command to enable dual monitors when GDM starts; what would be the best way to do it? My understanding is that if I add command to my ~/.xsession, it will only be executed once I input username and password, right?
[08:07] <luckyone> frostburn: do you have a link?
[08:07] <frostburn> nah, i just did it though
[08:08] <frostburn> sec, let me find what i did
[08:08] <luckyone> I kinda remember seeing that error, but dpkg-reconfigure --a is a long process
[08:08] <frostburn> sudo gedit /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst
[08:09] <frostburn> then go to line uh... 56 and add;; after continue
[08:09] <HHornblower> anyone have experience with compiz?
[08:09] <nickrud> nIRV_: I'm hazy at the moment about where you'd put it for gdm, probably under /etc/X11/xsession.d
[08:09] <HHornblower> I'm trying to get the Super_L key to register.
[08:09] <luckyone> then what?
[08:09] <HHornblower> it simply refuses to.
[08:10] <luckyone> frostburn: dpkg-reconfigure volumeid?
[08:10] <frostburn> luckyone, uh, i just continued my upgrade
[08:11] <nIRV_> thanks for the help
[08:11] <nIRV_> trying out
[08:12] <nickrud> nIRV_: or /etc/gdm/PreSession or Xsession ? I haven't followed that path for a while. But if you look over that stuff, you'll probably find it. Also, ~/.gnomerc is read at gnome startup. Not gdm, but maybe that would work
[08:13] <nickrud> Luckily, I have volumeid on hold. I'll wait for the fix :)
[08:13] <luckyone> grrr, it still says I have broken deps
[08:14] <frostburn> mine does too
[08:14] <luckyone> xbase-clients and xorg?
[08:15] <frostburn> yep
[08:15] <luckyone> well, known evil I guess
[08:15] <luckyone> what do you plan to do? not worry about it?
[08:15] <frostburn> pretty much
[08:15] <luckyone> I am okay with that, I just don't know how I will install updates tomorrow
[08:16] <luckyone> I mean, do I really need xorg anyway? That one can't be *that* important
[08:16] <frostburn> they're talking about it in #ubuntu-devel as well
[08:17] <luckyone> is it only on amd64
[08:17] <luckyone> my 32bit machine didn't do this on upgrade
[08:17] <frostburn> i think so
[08:19] <Juggie> hey, i've just tried ubuntu for the first time and i must say its awesome on my laptop... but i cant get desktop effects working, i've followed all the steps in the howto, and i've previously had it working on fedora without issue.. does anyone know of any outstanding issues with gutsy desktop acceleration, or where i could look to debug it
[08:25] <chewd> hello folks
[08:26] <chewd> anybody home?
[08:31] <CountX> me home
[08:31] <CountX> chewd, j00 need something
[08:41] <chewd> whoa
[08:41] <chewd> hey
[08:41] <chewd> having virtual desktop probs
[08:42] <chewd> virtual desktop is larger than my screen rez... its doing the old pan & scan
[08:42] <nb-au> hehe
[08:42] <chewd> didnt start until i enabled dual display
[08:43] <chewd> is there some way to manually set the virtual desktop size?
[08:43] <chewd> im in xorg.conf... but im not sure ive got it right
[08:44] <fraco> chewd: I have dual display working as I want it (without the panning), want me to pastebin my xorg.conf?
[08:44] <chewd> should there be a virtual desktop size for each display? ive only found the entry for one of my monitors
[08:44] <chewd> yea id like to get a look at that
[08:44] <chewd> what rez do you run your screens in?
[08:45] <chewd> id like to do 1280x1024 on each
[08:45] <chewd> otherwise everythings too small
[08:45] <fraco> i got 1600x1200 and 1024x786
[08:45] <chewd> really, 2 different rezs
[08:45] <chewd> & no panning?
[08:46] <fraco> you mean scrolling like when desktop is larger than the screen, no i aint got that
[08:46] <chewd> yea
[08:46] <chewd> drives me nuts
[08:46] <chewd> i hate it
[08:46] <chewd> why would you want that?
[08:46] <fraco> chewd:http://pastebin.com/m76b7d088
[08:47] <fraco> i believe the key think is the Option "metamodes" line
[08:47] <nanonyme> hmm, i wonder if the latest kernel broke audio support for my laptop
[08:47] <fraco> chewd: i got that generated by the nvidia settings tool, but i understand it is valid for all graphics cards
[08:48] <chewd> i tried the nvidia settins tool
[08:48] <chewd> but it doesnt seem to keep the changes i make
[08:48] <chewd> well not all of them anyway
[08:48] <fraco> yeah it is quirky
[08:49] <chewd> yea
[08:49] <fraco> did you run it as sudo just to be sure?
[08:49] <nanonyme> hehe, forgot i had put audio silence from the keyboard :D no problems anymore :)
[08:49] <chewd> lol
[08:49] <chewd> darn mute virus
[08:49] <chewd> i had that
[08:50] <chewd> easy to repair tho :)
[08:50] <nanonyme> yeah, if you come to think of it
[08:50] <chewd> im not sure i understand whats going on in this metamodes option
[08:51] <fraco> me neither, but i believe it is a list of possible configurations for both screens
[08:51] <fraco> the one i normally use is CRT-0: nvidia-auto-select +1600+432, CRT-1: 1600x1200 +0+0;
[08:52] <fraco> meaning that on CRT-0 (small lcd screen) it will autoselect the rez and set an offset of +1600+432 (it is to the right bottom of the other screen)
[08:52] <chewd> ohhh... ok so those are different sets of presets
[08:52] <fraco> yep
[08:52] <fraco> when i run a fullscreen game it picks on of the other sets
[08:52] <chewd> ahhhh
[08:52] <chewd> my dos-riddled mind is beginning to comprehend
[08:53] <fraco> I think if you google for xorg.conf metamodes you will find much more info
[08:53] <chewd> yea will do
[08:53] <chewd> metamodes
[08:53] <chewd> hmmm
[08:53] <fraco> I think you need the twinview thing too
[08:54] <fraco> and i suppose that makes it nvidia only
[08:57] <chewd> oy... i think i may have it
[08:58] <chewd> gotta restart to find out
[08:58] <chewd> brb
[09:01] <Chewd> arg
[09:07] <Laser87> Gr Gott!
[09:08] <nb-au> looks like the servers just got updated
[09:08] <nb-au> give it a go
[09:09] <chewd> anybody know a way to trick automatx into running on 7.10?
[09:09] <Hobbsee> ew
[09:09] <chewd> ew?
[09:10] <crdlb> heh that's a phenomenally bad idea
[09:10] <chewd> nm then lol
[09:10] <Hobbsee> just, ew
[09:11] <chewd> i thought it was a good lil prog... it got all my vids workin :)
[09:11] <chewd> ah well
[09:11] <nb-au> ive got the perl prob fixed guys :D
[09:12] <chewd> anybody know why the nvidia settings prog dumps my settings?
[09:14] <chewd> should i just bugger off then?
[09:14] <nb-au> chewd, dont get upset if noone responds, it means noone knows
[09:14] <chewd> naw im not upset
[09:15] <crdlb> what do you mean by dump?
 should i just bugger off then? <----orly?
[09:15] <chewd> just wondering if ive commited a faux pas
[09:15] <nb-au> :)
[09:15] <crdlb> certain settings aren't remembered across sessions unless you put nvidia-settings --load-config-only
[09:15] <crdlb> or something like that in your startup apps
[09:15] <chewd> oh?
[09:16] <chewd> its almost like nvidia-settings doesnt have root privilege & therefore cant write to the conf file
[09:16] <chewd> is that basically whats happening?
[09:17] <chewd> cant save changes to it manually either
[09:17] <chewd> do i have to open gedit from root or something?
[09:17] <pvandewyngaerde> Instellen van volumeid (113-0ubuntu13) ...
[09:17] <pvandewyngaerde> /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst: 56: Syntax error: ")" unexpected (expecting ";;")
[09:17] <chewd> <--- kinda new at this... just lemme know when i go to far :D
[09:20] <chewd> so... where do i insert this "nvidia-settings -load-config-only" then?
[09:26] <nb-au> pvandewyngaerde, add in a line at 56 in that file consisting of ;;
[09:28] <pvandewyngaerde> k, done
[09:28] <pvandewyngaerde> should i report it as a bug ?
[09:29] <nb-au> pvandewyngaerde, done already :)
[09:30] <pvandewyngaerde> k, thx for the help, but i should have figured it out myself too,   too sleepy
[09:31] <nb-au> hehe, dont worry ive been bug busting all day. Only just got a fully working system back
[09:31] <nb-au> they messed up bad with the servers
[09:31] <nb-au> so damn tired :(
[09:32] <Lynoure> Are you saying today is a bad day to upgrade?
[09:33] <pvandewyngaerde> perl is upgradable here, but it wants to remove almost anything for that
[09:34] <nb-au> Lynoure, yep :)
[09:34] <nb-au> pvandewyngaerde, i had to get mine done using debs from launchpad
[09:35] <nb-au> worked but
[09:35] <nb-au> after that theres another 11MB of upgrades, then ur upto date :)
[09:35] <Lynoure> oh, it's morning for me now :)
[09:35] <Lynoure> and I have nice bandwidth
[09:36] <nb-au> lynoure theres a busted package, then multiple dependancy problems
[09:36] <nb-au> so unless ur up for some fun
[09:37] <nb-au> wait :P
[09:37] <pvandewyngaerde> where is that deb from launchpad ?
[09:37] <Lynoure> nb-au: I hope you reported bugs?
[09:37] <Lynoure> nb-au: Which package?
[09:37] <goodhabit> Hello. How I can upgrade to gutsy using local repo and this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades manual. Is it possible? Should I just change my local feisty to local gutsy repo?
[09:37] <nb-au> the busted package was definately reported
[09:38] <nb-au> everything else i assume was reported by others
[09:38] <Lilacor> How do I make my SMP box SMP again?
[09:38] <pvandewyngaerde> with a smp kernel ?
[09:38] <nb-au> :P
[09:39] <pvandewyngaerde> uname -a       Linux pvandewyngaerde-desktop 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP
[09:39] <Lynoure> nb-au: Do you remember what package it was? The thing is, I'm a kubuntu user... so critical for gnome might not be critical for me
[09:39] <nb-au> volumeid
[09:39] <pvandewyngaerde> Lynoure:  im a kubuntu guy too
[09:39] <nb-au> its an easy fix
[09:40] <nb-au> add ;; on line 56
[09:40] <nb-au> try and install it again
[09:40] <nb-au> and it should work
[09:41] <dougie> wow....why is gutsy so big?
[09:42] <pvandewyngaerde> in size ? or your screen resolution ?
[09:42] <nb-au> no bigger then feisty really?
[09:42] <dougie> size
[09:42] <dougie> ...4.3 gig dvd image
[09:42] <Lilacor> I think 7.1 is great...I'm not the best with manipulating kernels ...that's all
[09:42] <dougie> while the ubuntu fiesty cd is like 800mb
[09:43] <sin1> dougie, you got the DVD get the desktop cd
[09:43] <dougie> sin1, thats all thats listed on the thing
[09:44] <dougie> install/live dvd
[09:44] <dougie> cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta
[09:45] <sin1> http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/
[09:45] <sin1> try that, get the desktop one
[09:46] <dougie> hmm...i have ati i may need the alternate lol
[09:46] <dougie> at least i did with the other versions
[09:46] <sin1> oh well its sitll smaller at least
[09:47] <sin1> 4 GBs takes a bit to dnload..lol
[09:48] <dougie> yes...yes it does
[09:48] <dougie> what does that dvd image have that the desktop cd doesn't?
[09:49] <Laser87> dougie: it has a lot more packages
[09:49] <dougie> ah
[09:49] <dougie> ok well going to bed while this downloads... probably be in here tomorrow searching for help possibly
[09:49] <sin1> I think it has both alt and desktop
[09:49] <Laser87> but with the cd you all can download from the sources
[09:51] <Laser87> system uptodate :-)
[09:51] <CountX> how might i report a bug?
[09:52] <Laser87> CountX: on laumchpad? u need an account
[09:52] <CountX> poo
[09:52] <pvandewyngaerde> http://www.fsckin.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/animation.gif
[09:52] <CountX> pvandewyngaerde, coool
[09:52] <CountX> pvandewyngaerde, did you make it?
[09:53] <pvandewyngaerde> nope
[09:53] <pvandewyngaerde> http://www.fsckin.com/2007/09/28/how-to-install-gutsy-gibbon-a-21-step-guide-for-technical-support/  <<  ATTENTION  ! IRONY
[09:58] <joakim-> anyone more having problems with configuring volumeid, and thus also having problems with installing udev?
[09:59] <joakim-> seems to be a bug in volumeid, "/var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst: 56: Syntax error: ")" unexpected (expecting ";;")"
[10:02] <Laser87> joakim-: we had this a few minutes ago - nb-au said: pvandewyngaerde, add in a line at 56 in that file consisting of ;;
[10:05] <joakim-> nice!
[10:05] <joakim-> should have figured that out maybe :)
[10:06] <Laser87> bug is already reported
[10:07] <Hobbsee> bug #?
[10:07] <CountX> anyone use a webcam here?
[10:07] <Laser87> don't know - sry
[10:07] <Hobbsee> !anyone | CountX
[10:07] <ubotu> CountX: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[10:07] <CountX> ...
[10:08] <CountX> im trying to use my webcam with a website, it accesses your cam through flash, it doesnt work for me
[10:08] <CountX> it did on windows, but not on linux, i was just wondering if anyone here could see if it worked for them
[10:08] <CountX> i think i know my webcams folder, /dev/video0
[10:09] <cdm10> I'm having a big issue with Gutsy.
[10:09] <CountX> i got something about access to webcam denied
[10:09] <cdm10> Whenever the "busy" cursor is supposed to be displayed, the cursor just disappears.
[10:09] <cdm10> This happens QUITE often.
[10:10] <Hobbsee> oh, that's already fixed in the archives.  great.
[10:10] <cdm10> Hobbsee: Are you talking to me?
[10:10] <Hobbsee> cdm10: no
[10:10] <cdm10> ok
[10:10] <cdm10> Has anyone else noticed this in Gutsy?
[10:10] <Hobbsee> i was meaning Laser87's udev thing
[10:10] <cdm10> I'm using the nVidia drivers, and desktop effects make no difference.
[10:11] <nurettin> hello
[10:11] <nurettin> when this morning update
[10:11] <nurettin> this update error occoured
[10:11] <nurettin> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libkbluetooth0_1.0~beta8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libqobex.so.0.0.9', which is also in package qobex
[10:11] <Hobbsee> nurettin: known.
[10:12] <Hobbsee> (bug filed)
[10:12] <Laser87> Hobbsee: i just replied what nb-au said...
[10:12] <nurettin> resolution ?
[10:12] <Frezeeer> hi, I want to be able to upgrade, I fill in a bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gnome-control-center/+bug/120957, I think is some package i installed from a non official source, I want to downgrade all my packages to the official versions, is there a way I can do that or do I have to do it one by one
[10:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120957 in update-manager "UpdateManager fails to fetch dist-upgrade tarball" [High,Invalid] 
[10:12] <Hobbsee> Laser87: OK, then both of yours
[10:12] <CountX> anyone help me with my problem?
[10:14] <cdm10> Or mine? :(
[10:14] <CountX> im thinking that flash cant access the cam
[10:14] <CountX> or doesnt know how
[10:14] <Hobbsee> nurettin: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libkbluetooth0_1.0~beta8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[10:14] <CountX> is there some way that i can make flash see my cam?
[10:15] <Hobbsee> or any development versoin.
[10:15] <nurettin> thank you
[10:15] <nurettin> my problem is resolved.
[10:16] <cdm10> damn, the text selection pointer is gone, too.
[10:16] <nurettin> very thank you hobbsee
[10:16] <cdm10> Pretty much everything except the normal pointer.
[10:16] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: yeah, well.  but until i, or somene else, actually fixes the bug...
[10:17] <ajmitch> why a shared lib was in qobex is beyond me
[10:18] <andruk> i just loaded the prop. nvidia driver for my card using the restricted-drivers-manager, and restarted.  my comp almost loaded gnome all the way (im missing a few - not all - applets) and then it completely froze - not even ctrl+alt+f1 worked
[10:18] <CountX> which is directly related to my problem
[10:18] <CountX> so, CONFIRMED
[10:19] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: qobex doesnt seem to exist anymore, though.
[10:20] <cdm10> Turning HWCursor off in xorg.conf fixed it, but I'm still sorta unhappy... it would be nice if HWCursor worked properly.
[10:21] <cdm10> Damn, desktop effects won't work with HWCursor off... I guess it's either compiz or a working mouse cursor.
[10:21] <penguincentral> can anyone help me out with an issue regarding Gizmo Project VOIP?
[10:21] <CountX> the is right off the press release for flash 9 "Only ALSA is supported for microphone input and speaker output, and only Video4Linux v1 is supported for camera input."
[10:22] <CountX> so why doesnt it recognize my cam?
[10:23] <penguincentral> can anyone help me with Gizmo Project?
[10:23] <cdm10> !repeat
[10:23] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[10:23] <cdm10> Although I'm probably guilty of that too, so I'll shut up.
[10:23] <penguincentral> cdm10: aren't we all ;)
[10:24] <jussi01> penguin, whats the issue
[10:24] <Juggie> does gutsy not have a package for emerald-themes?
[10:24] <jussi01> gah... stupid tab... penguincentral^
[10:24] <jussi01> !find emerald
[10:24] <penguincentral> jussi01: when i click on add contacts, gizmo crashes
[10:24] <ubotu> Found: emerald, libemeraldengine-dev, libemeraldengine0, xemeraldia
[10:24] <cdm10> How would I go about reporting a bug in Gutsy, relating to cursors?
[10:24] <jussi01> Juggie: looks like it
[10:24] <jussi01> !bug | cdm10
[10:25] <ubotu> cdm10: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[10:25] <cdm10> ok
[10:25] <penguincentral> jussi01: what do you think?
[10:25] <jussi01> penguincentral: which version is it? and did you use the latest deb
[10:25] <jussi01> ??
[10:25] <penguincentral> jussi01: 3.1 (v77)
[10:26] <Juggie> jussi01, all those are installed, but still no themes, i found an open thread about it on the forum
[10:27] <jussi01> Juggie: go grab some from gnome look then...
[10:27] <penguincentral> jussi01: is there a newer build?
[10:27] <jussi01> penguincentral: yes
[10:27] <jussi01> 3.1.2.91
[10:27] <Juggie> jussi01, on packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/x11/emerald it says 'emerald-themes' is unavail, what does that mean, it hasnt been built from gutsy
[10:27] <jussi01> penguincentral: hang on no..
[10:28] <jussi01> Juggie: either that or its been held back for some reason
[10:28] <jussi01> penguincentral: try purging and reinstallin
[10:28] <penguincentral> jussi01: how do i purge?
[10:29] <jussi01> and make sure you have all the deps installed
[10:29] <CountX> ok ok, i found my usb cam in the device manager, its video4linux.device is /dev/video0
[10:29] <CountX> now how do i make it work in flash?
[10:29] <jussi01> penguincentral: sudo apt-get remove --purge packagename
[10:29] <penguincentral> jussi01: ok, i get what i have to do...
[10:29] <jussi01> :)
[10:30] <penguincentral> jussi01: this would be easier if i wasn't speed limited :(
[10:30] <jussi01> penguincentral: ?
[10:30] <Almindor> hello
[10:30] <jussi01> !hi | Almindor
[10:30] <ubotu> Almindor: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[10:31] <penguincentral> jussi01: long story, australian broadband SUCKS
[10:31] <penguincentral> my rant is over
[10:31] <Almindor> 1. the upgrade broke on some python script (after all .debs got updated, so I'm fine)
[10:31] <jussi01> penguincentral: I know what you mean
[10:31] <Almindor> 2. the "logout" window takes about 20 seconds to show up 1st time
[10:31] <Almindor> otherwise everything seems to work
[10:31] <penguincentral> jussi01: where did you get the latest build of Gizmo Project?
[10:31] <Almindor> does anyone know if #2 is known thing or specific?
[10:31] <jussi01> penguincentral: from the gizmo website
[10:32] <jussi01> Almindor: I seem to remember there being a bug about that
[10:32] <penguincentral> jussi01: i am http://www.gizmoproject.com/download-linux.html the version listed there is what i have got
[10:32] <Almindor> jussi01, ah ok, was afraid it was tied to the broken upgrade process
[10:32] <jussi01> penguincentral: yeah,
[10:32] <Hobbsee> penguincentral: seconded!
[10:32] <Almindor> one odd thing is tho
[10:32] <jussi01> hello Hobbsee!!
[10:32] <Almindor> I got +4gb of diskspace wasted now
[10:32] <penguincentral> good to hear fromyou Hobbsee!
[10:32] <Almindor> and I already checked all packages..
[10:33] <Hobbsee> Almindor: would be helpful if you sadi which python script
[10:33] <Hobbsee> hi jussi01!
[10:33] <Almindor> Hobbsee, sorry, I didn't record it :(
[10:33] <Hobbsee> Almindor: how *not* useful.
[10:33] <penguincentral> jussi01: where do i get this latest build, or do i have to purge and reinstall
[10:33] <Almindor> Hobbsee, was a bit afraid how broken it would end up so I went restarting to see
[10:34] <Almindor> Hobbsee, perhaps you should "log" it?
[10:34] <Hobbsee> Almindor: log what?
[10:34] <jussi01> penguincentral: purge and reinstall.
[10:34] <Almindor> you know.. upgrade log into some nice /var file?
[10:34] <penguincentral> jussi01: ok
[10:34] <Almindor> log the upgrade..
[10:34] <Hobbsee> Almindor: if you used update-manager, it likely did.  apport files with them.
[10:34] <Almindor> Hobbsee, hmm I'll look
[10:35] <jussi01> Hobbsee: curiousity q: do you know how the progress on actually fixing the bluetooth is going?
[10:35] <Hobbsee> jussi01: fixing, as in, the file overwrite problem?
[10:35] <jussi01> Hobbsee: yeah
[10:36] <penguincentral> jussi01: matt@matt-desktop:~$ penguincentral: sudo apt-get remove --purge gizmo-project_3.1.0.77_libstdc++6_i386.deb
[10:36] <penguincentral> KABOOOM!!!
[10:36] <penguincentral> Whoops, command-not-found has crashed! Please file a bug report at:
[10:36] <penguincentral> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/command-not-found
[10:36] <penguincentral> Please include the following information with the report:
[10:36] <penguincentral> No module named CommandNotFound
[10:36] <penguincentral> Traceback (most recent call last):
[10:36] <penguincentral>   File "/usr/lib/command-not-found", line 10, in <module>
[10:36] <penguincentral>     from CommandNotFound import CommandNotFound
[10:36] <jussi01> !paste
[10:36] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:36] <cdm10> !paste
[10:36] <penguincentral> ImportError: No module named CommandNotFound
[10:36] <penguincentral> Python version: 2.5.1 final 0
[10:36] <Almindor> Hobbsee, /var/log/installer?
[10:36] <penguincentral> bash: penguincentral:: command not found
[10:36] <Almindor> hmm no
[10:36] <jussi01> penguincentral:  I kill you!! :P
[10:36] <Almindor> that's original
[10:36] <Hobbsee> jussi01: already uploaded.
[10:36] <Hobbsee> Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):
[10:36] <Hobbsee>   kdebluetooth_1.0~beta8-0ubuntu4.dsc: done.
[10:36] <Hobbsee>   kdebluetooth_1.0~beta8-0ubuntu4.diff.gz: done.
[10:36] <Hobbsee>   kdebluetooth_1.0~beta8-0ubuntu4_source.changes: done.
[10:36] <Hobbsee> Successfully uploaded packages.
[10:36] <Hobbsee> Not running dinstall.
[10:37] <jussi01> Hobbsee: ahh great, just waiting for my mirror then
[10:37] <penguincentral> jussi01: what do i do?
[10:37] <Hobbsee> jussi01: i only uploaded a coupl eof mins ago, so..
[10:37] <penguincentral> jussi01: and thanks for linking me to the pastebin
[10:37] <Almindor> Hobbsee, I think I got it
[10:37] <jussi01> penguincentral: ahh, i forgot it didnt come from a repo,...
[10:37] <penguincentral> jussi01: yeah
[10:37] <Almindor> Hobbsee, /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log sounds right?
[10:38] <Hobbsee> Almindor: anything in that folder should, yes.
[10:38] <Almindor> Hobbsee, I think it's that error I'm looking at right now, altough not 100% sure
[10:38] <Almindor> Hobbsee, but it's localised :D
[10:38] <Hobbsee> Almindor: if you could translate it into english, that would help
[10:38] <Almindor> yeah sec.
[10:38] <CountX> whats the chmod for allowing everything
[10:39] <Almindor> !pastebin perhaps?
[10:39] <penguincentral> jussi01: what do i do?
[10:39] <Hobbsee> Almindor: that'd be good
[10:39] <jussi01> penguincentral: Im not trying to be annoying, but I suggest you use dpkg to remove those 2 debs. use 'man dpkg' to find out the cammands :)
[10:40] <jussi01> penguincentral: that way you learn to do it yourself, instead of just copy pasting from me
[10:40] <penguincentral> jussi01: yeah, you are doing a great job at it ;)
[10:41] <CountX> anyone use stickam? my cam doesnt work on it
[10:41] <Almindor> Hobbsee, http://pastebin.com/ma2e4f9d
[10:42] <penguincentral> jussi01: i have no bloody idea...
[10:42] <jussi01> penguincentral: hehe ok.
[10:43] <jussi01> something like dpkg -r packagename
[10:43] <Hobbsee> Almindor: OK.  can you file that pastebin (copy it into a file, add it as an attachment - pastebins dont stay up forever), along with the stuff in  /var/log/dist-upgrade/, under update-manager, and explain that you upgraded to gutsy?
[10:43] <jussi01> with sudo of course
[10:43] <Almindor> Hobbsee, sure
[10:43] <Hobbsee> Almindor: great, thanks.
[10:44] <Hobbsee> Almindor: it should be useful enough for the guy who does update-manager to find the problem
[10:44] <Hobbsee> (seeing as it's an update-manager bug, not a random package bug)
[10:44] <penguincentral> jussi01: i ran the command, what do i do now?
[10:45] <jussi01> penguincentral: did that remove them fine?
[10:45] <penguincentral> i'll make a pastebin...
[10:46] <penguincentral> jussi01: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38998/plain/
[10:47] <jussi01> penguincentral: you should remove the other package also
[10:47] <penguincentral> jussi01: what package?
[10:47] <jussi01> penguincentral: libstdc++6
[10:47] <jussi01> if you installed that from a deb
[10:48] <penguincentral> jussi01: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38999/
[10:49] <jussi01> penguincentral: ahh, ok
[10:49] <unggnu> hi all
[10:49] <jussi01> all goo then,
[10:49] <jussi01> ggood*
[10:49] <jussi01> gah
[10:49] <penguincentral> !hi | unggnu
[10:49] <ubotu> unggnu: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[10:49] <unggnu> Anybody with Alsa software mixing problems. Sound works but only one program atm
[10:49] <unggnu> penguincentral, :)
[10:50] <unggnu> Feisty hasn't this problem.
[10:50] <penguincentral> jussi01: what do i do now?
[10:50] <jussi01> penguincentral: grab the deb and reinstall.
[10:51] <penguincentral> ok then
[10:51] <jussi01> (and stop being so impatient ;)
[10:51] <penguincentral> jussi01: hold on, let me find a suitable ubotu response for this
[10:52] <jussi01> !patience | penguincentral
[10:52] <ubotu> penguincentral: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[10:52] <jussi01> :)
[10:53] <penguincentral> !ping | jussi01
[10:53] <ubotu> jussi01: pong
[10:53] <jussi01> lol
[10:54] <jussi01> unggnu: which sound card
[10:54] <pschulz01> !issues
[10:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about issues - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:54] <penguincentral> jussi01: it's installed
[10:54] <penguincentral> jussi01: and it didn't work...
[10:55] <unggnu> jussi01, thanks, one second.
[10:55] <unggnu> jussi01,  Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)
[10:55] <jussi01> penguincentral: doh. ummm
[10:55] <jussi01> !intelhda | unggnu
[10:55] <ubotu> unggnu: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[10:56] <jussi01> unggnu: its a know bug
[10:56] <jussi01> pschulz01: can we help?
[10:56] <unggnu> jussi01, Do you have the bug number?
[10:56] <jussi01> unggnu: ummm no
[10:56] <unggnu> jussi01, But it works fine in Feisty.
[10:56] <pschulz01> Errors while processing: voliumeid udev
[10:57] <jussi01> unggnu: go read the link i just got for you
[10:57] <penguincentral> !ask | pschulz01
[10:57] <ubotu> pschulz01: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:57] <pschulz01> I'm wondering if it's a known issue
[10:57] <jussi01> pschulz01: what were you doing when that happened?
[10:57] <RAOF> pschulz01: Yes, very much so.
[10:57] <unggnu> What would you make without a bot? :)
[10:58] <jussi01> :)
[10:58] <RAOF> pschulz01: Also, a very brief launchpad search would find you about 20 duplicates of that bug :)
[10:58] <pschulz01> !udev
[10:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about udev - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:58] <pschulz01> !volumeid
[10:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about volumeid - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:58] <jussi01> !botabuse | pschulz01
[10:58] <ubotu> pschulz01: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[10:58] <Lynoure> pschulz01: wait
[10:58] <Lynoure> pschulz01: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/146513
[10:58] <Hobbsee> pschulz01: known
[10:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146513 in udev "package volumeid 113-0ubuntu13 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Fix released] 
[10:59] <pschulz01> Ta.
[10:59] <Hobbsee> pschulz01: fixed, package needs to be given back.
[10:59] <mikubuntu> why, oh why ... when i tried gutsy tribe 5 live, my screen was finally resolving at 1024x768, and yet when i upgraded to gutsy beta today, my screenres is still at 8-- x 6--? i'm *not* yet familiar with dpkg and dependancies, but since i don't store anything locally on the computer, i don't mind risking re-installs or whatever i have to face... this must be some kind of bug, tho, that ubuntu...
[10:59] <mikubuntu> ...doesn't recognise my graphics card or drivers properly ... any help for me?
[10:59] <unggnu> jussi01, My problem isn't listed there. Sound works fine except of software mixing :)
[11:01] <pschulz01> Ta.
[11:02] <Lilacor>  I don't see any SMP kernels available....
[11:02] <Lilacor> am I supposed to custom build my own?
[11:03] <unggnu> Lilacor, generic is SMP
[11:03] <Lilacor> hrmmmm
[11:03] <Lilacor> I have i386 right now, how do I make generic my booting kernel?
[11:03] <unggnu> Lilacor, install it or choose it in grub and remove 386 kernel
[11:04] <Lilacor> hmmm...okay
[11:04] <syke_> hi
[11:04] <syke_> I'm getting an error during dist-upgrade from feisty to edgy: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libkbluetooth0_1.0~beta8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[11:04] <unggnu> lol
[11:04] <unggnu> from feisty to gutsy I guess
[11:04] <syke_> er
[11:04] <syke_> yea
[11:04] <syke_> sorry
[11:04] <syke_> it's late here ;)
[11:05] <unggnu> :)
[11:05] <jussi01> syke_: known, fixed, should be in your archive soon.
[11:05] <syke_> I've rm'd the libkbluetooth from /var/cache/apt
[11:05] <syke_> jussi: ok, awesome!
[11:05] <syke_> I'll just try again tomorrow morning
[11:05] <syke_> thanks and good night!
[11:05] <unggnu> jussi01, You know everything, what is with software mixing ;)
[11:05] <jussi01> syke_: yeah, probably best
[11:05] <jussi01> unggnu: no, i dont know everything.
[11:06] <ajmitch> jussi01: why not?
[11:06] <unggnu> but everything guts related ;)
[11:06] <unggnu> +y
[11:06] <unggnu> lol
[11:06] <jussi01> ajmitch: because im not you... ;)
[11:06] <ajmitch> haha
[11:07] <jussi01> unggnu: I dont know the answer to your problem. sorry.
[11:07] <unggnu> np
[11:08] <unggnu> I haven't found a specific bug so I guess I made a new one
[11:09] <fausto> hello
[11:10] <jussi01> unggnu: just out of curiosity, you have got all your sound volumes up?
[11:10] <jussi01> !hi fausto
[11:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hi fausto - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:10] <jussi01> !hi | fausto
[11:10] <ubotu> fausto: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[11:10] <unggnu> jussi01, yes and sound works fine at least for one program using it :)
[11:10] <fausto> I inteled the beta and foun a bug (regrassion from feisty), where should I report ?
[11:10] <unggnu> fausto, what is it?
[11:10] <jussi01> !bug | fausto
[11:10] <ubotu> fausto: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[11:10] <unggnu> fausto, maybe it is known
[11:12] <fausto> I'll have a look. The bug is: gutsy wrongly auto-detects my laptop's screen resolutoin to 1400 something whent it actualy is 1280x800
[11:12] <fausto> feisty used to detect correctly
[11:12] <unggnu> fausto, Which graphic card?
[11:12] <fausto> an ATI, wait a secon I'll see witch model
[11:13] <riotkittie> ugh. why am   i awake and on irc at 5am.
[11:13] <unggnu> fausto, And which driver do you use?
[11:13] <Jaymac> riotkittie, dedicated to the cause
[11:13] <Jaymac> :)
[11:13] <fausto> the proprietary
[11:13] <acuster> hey all, how do I get the uuid's of each of my partitions?
[11:13] <acuster> my older grub doesn't like either /dev/hd* or /dev/sd*
[11:13] <Tomcat_> acuster: blkid in terminal :)
[11:14] <acuster> merci
[11:14] <unggnu> fausto, Do you could change it to the correct resolution with "Screen Resolution"?
[11:14] <unggnu> acuster, sudo vol_id /dev/XXX
[11:14] <chronographer> Hello. I have a strange issue when changing users in gutsy. If i switch from main to my sons user, screen goes a bit purple. When i switch back to my account i can log in to a normally colored screen, then I get a bright green screen with mouse and no keyboard response (cant ctrl alt backspace etc.)
[11:14] <fausto> unggnu: yes, but then the resolution is wrong on GDM
[11:15] <unggnu> chronographer, Intel graphic card?
[11:15] <chronographer> nvidia
[11:15] <chronographer> FX5600
[11:15] <unggnu> fausto, Which resolution is saved in xorg.conf?
[11:15] <chronographer> with working dual monitor and compiz
[11:15] <Jaymac> bah, this libkbluetooth problem has hosed my latest upgrade
[11:15] <jussi01> Jaymac: no, easy fix
[11:15] <chronographer> although there are no window borders on the tv!
[11:15] <jussi01> Jaymac: sudo apt-get install -f
[11:16] <oly-> hi, i have upgraded to gutsy but have no wifi, sudo modprobe rt2x00 or sudo modprobe ndiswrapper both return fatal module not found
[11:16] <Jaymac> i know.. i'm waiting for the 2nd upgrade to finish
[11:16] <jussi01> Jaymac: :)
[11:16] <unggnu> chronographer, Seems to be a different one.
[11:16] <oly-> is this a bug / something i am doing wrong
[11:16] <Jaymac> didn't think it would bugger things up though
[11:16] <oly-> or some conflict from the upgrade
[11:16] <fausto> unggnu: found the problem, my xorg have the line "		Virtual	1400	1050"
[11:16] <chronographer> a different what?
[11:16] <jussi01> Jaymac: its a beta...
[11:17] <unggnu> oly-, maybe you have to compile a new ndiswrapper module
[11:17] <unggnu> fausto, But it is still recognized wrong.
[11:17] <oly-> does the gutsy one not work then ?
[11:17] <Jaymac> jussi01, again I know :) been using it since tribe 1... my comment was just that i didn't expect a libkbluetooth problem to kill my openoffice upgrade ;)
[11:17] <unggnu> fausto, Upgrade or ne install?
[11:17] <oly-> its an pci ralink card that i am using
[11:17] <riotkittie> i wish i could get rt2x00 to work for me
[11:17] <chronographer> my ralink wifi card worked out of the box
[11:17] <riotkittie> i also wish i hadnt bought an ralink card
[11:17] <nb-au> theres big probs with some ralink cards iirc
[11:18] <oly-> but i can not modprobe the rt2x00 driver
[11:18] <nb-au> bit like broadcoms :P
[11:18] <oly-> it says its not found
[11:18] <fausto> unggnu: new install
[11:18] <riotkittie> oly- try rt2x00pci ?
[11:18] <oly-> unless its got a different module name
[11:18] <oly-> thats not found as well
[11:18] <riotkittie> i think thats in there but i'm in win and i cant check <hangs head in shame>
[11:18] <fausto> unggnu: it is setting the default res to 1024 with a virtual of 1400 when my monitor is 1280
[11:18] <unggnu> fausto, I would report it. X seems to have some issues with resolution. This is the third one I have heard from. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xresprobe/+bug/115220
[11:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 115220 in xresprobe "feisty fresh install sets xorg.conf to 1440x1440 instead of 1440x900 nvidia" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[11:19] <unggnu> Hm, ok, it is dedicated to Feisty.
[11:19] <oly-> why would all these not be found, am i missing a package or something ?
[11:19] <riotkittie> my wireless worked out of the box on gutsy too but my connection drops like crazy
[11:19] <unggnu> fausto, Just make a bug report. It searches for others if you have entered the title so you can recheck if it is listed already.
[11:20] <oly-> usually you can modprobe a module even if you do not have the hardware
[11:20] <fausto> unggnu: ok, thanks
[11:21] <chronographer> anyone else got a green or purple screen after user switch?
[11:21] <oly-> will try on forum see if anyone knows
[11:22] <riotkittie> i love my computer too much to have any other users on it, so i've never had reason to try the switch
[11:22] <darrend> hhh
[11:23] <riotkittie> i did see someone mention a similar problem tho. i think it was on the forums in the 'what doesnt work for you in gutsy' thread
[11:23] <chronographer> yeah.  I got a 2 year old, he gets on and breaks things... like putting all the folders on my desktop into gnome panel. So he gets his own desktoP!
[11:23] <chronographer> ok thanks riot Ill have adig
[11:24] <unggnu> chronographer, 2 years and computer ?
[11:24] <riotkittie> my two year old has his daddy's desktop
[11:24] <riotkittie> i tried to warn him, but nooo, he wouldnt listen to me. now he's paying for it. <g>
[11:24] <unggnu> Is it one of the clones of Star Wars? ;) Computer without reading makes no sense for me.
[11:24] <chronographer> he started early. i got hes first open office document saved! =)
[11:25] <unggnu> But not bad
[11:25] <chronographer> its gibberish. but probably also is modern art eh?
[11:25] <unggnu> :)
[11:27] <unggnu> chronographer, Does compiz work on more than one desktop for you?
[11:28] <unggnu> Maybe nvidia is able to do it but with Intel it is only possible on one desktop.
[11:32] <fausto> unggnu: I'm back, do you know in each package should I report the bug abou the wrong resolutio? Should be xorg or something more specific?
[11:33] <chronographer> not really
[11:33] <slytherin> fausto: How about xserver-xorg-video-yourcarddriver
[11:33] <fausto> slytherin: thanks
[11:33] <chronographer> but it works fine on one, the telly is only for movies so its fine ( i get no window decs on that one tho)
[11:34] <chronographer> Compiz did work using ubuntu's dual monitor setup, but that made me have one big desk. I like two separate small ones
[11:36] <Lilacor> what is the virtual kernel image's purpose?
[11:36] <unggnu> fausto, Which driver was used at first?
[11:37] <slytherin> fausto: is this related to intel card?
[11:37] <unggnu> fausto, fglrx isn't installed by default so I guess it wasn't the bad one which recognizes the wrong resoluiton
[11:37] <unggnu> slytherin, no, ati
[11:37] <slytherin> unggnu: ahh, looks like fglrx got uninstalled for some reason
[11:38] <fausto> unggnu: in fact the list of problems is bigger, for starters the xorg don't work on the live cd (unles in save graphics mode), den when I select safe it starts with vesa (i think)
[11:39] <fausto> now after install i instaled the proprietary
[11:39] <fausto> but my xorg.conf is showing ati, should,t it be fglrx?
[11:40] <fausto> slytherin: fglxr got uninstaled? this is about me ?
[11:44] <unggnu> fausto, Do you used the Beta?
[11:44] <fausto> yes
[11:44] <unggnu> fausto, yes, it should fglrx so ati works
[11:45] <fausto> unggnu: sorry ?
[11:45] <unggnu> fausto, Hm, the Vesa-Ati-Bug should be fixed so Live CD should start with Vesa if no free driver works
[11:45] <unggnu> fausto, The driver listed under xorg.conf is used.
[11:45] <fausto> ok, so I'm not running the proprietary?
[11:46] <unggnu> yes
[11:46] <fausto> and how do I enable it ?
[11:47] <unggnu> fausto, change ati to flgrx under driver
[11:47] <unggnu> *fglrx
[11:49] <fausto> I'll try, be back soon
[11:50] <unggnu> fausto, And you really tested the Beta LIve-CD with normal start or directly went to failsafe?
[11:51] <fausto> I tested the normal start, twice
[11:51] <fausto> what is the package casper? Why is this bug there? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/136396
[11:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136396 in casper "Gnome startup doesn't go through correctly on Gutsy" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[11:51] <unggnu> fausto, So X doesn't start and you see a console?
[11:52] <CountX> how can i test a video device, just to see if it works/
[11:52] <fausto> unggnu: no, it keeps restarting the xorg untill crashes
[11:55] <CountX> where do i set the number of workspaces
[11:55] <CountX> its stuck at 2 :(
[11:55] <CountX> !workspaces
[11:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about workspaces - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:57] <salty-horse> hi. I have lots of upgrade problems :)
[11:57] <salty-horse> launchpad-integration and python-apport failed to install, and many packages are "left unconfigured"
[11:58] <salty-horse> dpkg even crashed once (with a core dump) after giving the error "too many errors"
[11:58] <rom> hi
[11:59] <salty-horse> the dump is in ../../src/packages.c:252: process_queue:Assertion '!queuelen' failed
[11:59] <slytherin> CountX: using compiz?
[11:59] <rom> I have a problem with connexion manager with kubuntu gutsy
[12:00] <salty-horse> is there a way to install launchpad-integration and apport, and then return to the old installation?
[12:00] <rom> I wanted to change only the fonts, in connexion manager configuration, but now it is totally different
[12:00] <rom> how to "reset" the default one?
[12:07] <CountX> slytherin, yesa
[12:07] <CountX> slytherin, yes*
[12:08] <Whoopie> Hi, anybody interested in uswsusp with usplash support? I re-added usplash support in bug 109151.
[12:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109151 in uswsusp "no hibernate with uswsusp installed" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109151
[12:08] <CountX> how do you get the boot up sounds to work/
[12:09] <CountX> i have a shotgun sound i want to play when i boot
[12:09] <CountX> any way i can do that
[12:09] <slytherin> CountX: sorry keyboard broken
[12:10] <CountX> ive heard that one before
[12:12] <dystopianray> is displayconfig not randr 1.2 aware?
[12:16] <unggnu> dystopianray, it should be afaik
[12:17] <dystopianray> it wants to make a new xorg.conf file and restart
[12:17] <dystopianray> and does not allow me to select anythinga but 640x480 for the second display
[12:18] <rom> in gutsy (kubuntu), there is not KDM theme manager anymore :(:(:( ?
[12:18] <rom> how to change the login screen?
[12:20] <CountX> rom its in prefences, login
[12:21] <rom> ... no :(
[12:21] <rom> II have : about me , regional & language, accessibility, default softwares
[12:21] <rom> then apparence, desktop, login screen (but not the one where you put the login/password), window behavior
[12:21] <rom> notifications
[12:21] <rom> ...
[12:24] <CountX> i still dont know where to change the number of workspaces
[12:27] <wabiD> is there a way to have my window list sort like items next to each other?
[12:29] <CountX> what is a keyring?
[12:30] <wabiD> i know in ubuntu gusty that you can control the number of desktops from the compiz options
[12:30] <penguincentral> wabiD: yeah, compiz is great
[12:31] <wabiD> agreed i still want to be able to group like windows
[12:31] <wabiD> its annoying after years of xp
[12:31] <wabiD> if im looking for a firefox window, they should all be next to each other
[12:31] <wabiD> not in the order i opened them
[12:31] <dopez> last i tried (a week or so ago, all updated) compiz didn't play very well with kde (mostly the desktop pager) anyone know if something has changed ?
[12:32] <wabiD> not a kde fan sorry
[12:32] <dystopianray> kde can group windows in the taskbar
[12:32] <penguincentral> wabiD: i couldn't care less about the war between KDE and GNOME ;)
[12:32] <wabiD> i dont want to group though
[12:32] <wabiD> theres no war, im just saying i cant help there
[12:33] <dystopianray> that's exactly what you're asking for
[12:33] <wabiD> i just want to sort
[12:33] <dystopianray> grouped windows
[12:33] <wabiD> gnome can group
[12:33] <wabiD> that makes them all one button
[12:33] <wabiD> i just want them to be next to each other
[12:33] <dystopianray> well kde does that too
[12:33] <wabiD> cool, can i do it in gnome?
[12:33] <dystopianray> no idea
[12:34] <wabiD> well switching really wasnt the solution i was looking for
[12:35] <fausto> any one knows how can I reintall/regenerate my xorg.conf file?
[12:35] <wabiD> delete it
[12:35] <dystopianray> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[12:35] <wabiD> when you delete it, it creates a failsafe mode file
[12:35] <acuster> hey all, anyone else having gutsy hang on boot right after detecting the cd drive?
[12:35] <wabiD> with just the most basic settings
[12:35] <fausto> wabiD: i did that now I have a working xorg, but no xorg.conf
[12:36] <wabiD> that doesnt sound right
[12:36] <fausto> wabiD: it didn't wrote a new xorg.conf, just detected everything and runned
[12:37] <wabiD> sometimes reconfigure creates shitty xorg that doesnt boot
[12:37] <dopez> anyone running gutsy on a r100/r200 based radeon ? i'd like to confirm something, in 16bit mode neverwinter nights just crashes xorg when started up, in 24bit all is okay but i'm very limited on video memory and all (2d/3d) becomes really slow
[12:37] <acuster> yea for the new X
[12:37] <wabiD> what happens if you edit a xorg setting from the gui
[12:37] <wabiD> like screen resolution
[12:37] <dystopianray> i'm surprised nwn plays at all with the radeon driver
[12:38] <dopez> nwn plays quite nice actually
[12:38] <dystopianray> but you don't even have s3 compressed texture support
[12:38] <fausto> wabiD: it fails saing "You need administrative rights to change all screen settings" eaven thow I entered the sudo password
[12:38] <wabiD> that error is because xorg.conf doesnt exist :)
[12:38] <dopez> there used to be a trick to get it running in 16 bit mode, setting DepthBits to 24 in xorg.conf, but even that doesn't seem to work anymore
[12:39] <dopez> dystopianray: i have s3tc support
[12:39] <wabiD> what happens if you create a blank xorg.conf
[12:39] <fausto> wabiD: i know, but I think xorg was supose to create a xorg.conf when none is present
[12:39] <dystopianray> dopez: how?
[12:39] <wabiD> yea its probably a bug, i think i fixed it by renaming a backup
[12:39] <wabiD> i had the same problem one day
[12:39] <dopez> dystopianray: http://homepage.hispeed.ch/rscheidegger/dri_experimental/s3tc_index.html
[12:42] <dystopianray> ah i see
[12:42] <wabiD> i cant believe reservation rewards still exists
[12:42] <fausto> wabiD: with a blanc xorg.conf the gui tool starts with all fields and options blanc
[12:43] <wabiD> do you have any automatic backups
[12:43] <wabiD> show hidden files first
[12:43] <wabiD> or, did you restart x, or reboot the computer
[12:44] <fausto> wabiD: i'm kinda of a experienced user, i have several backups i made (includding one where everything works), i'm trying to find more finormation for a bug repor i'm writing
[12:44] <fausto> wabiD: and in the process i found 3 more bugs :-(
[12:45] <fausto> wabiD: i rebooted
[12:45] <wabiD> dont you think it should recreate the file on reboot
[12:45] <wabiD> i have a bug for you. when you select 1920x1200 as your lcd profile, the default resolution is 1920x1440
[12:46] <wabiD> and 1920x1200 isnt even an option
[12:47] <fausto> this is one of the bug i'found/will report later, in my case when i select 1280x800 it doesn't have 1280x800 as an option
[12:47] <wabiD> yea thats dumb, so mine is the same thing
[12:47] <wabiD> heres another bug
[12:47] <wabiD> preferences > screen resolution does let you set 1920x1200
[12:48] <TheInfinity> is it possible that something with apt-sources are bad this morning?
[12:48] <wabiD> but it only applies to the desktop, not gdm
[12:48] <fausto> wabiD: have you reported those ones ?
[12:48] <wabiD> no
[12:48] <TheInfinity> a update will kill almost everything ...
[12:48] <dystopianray> is anyone noticing that compiz does not maximise windows properly?
[12:48] <wabiD> dystopianray, yea
[12:48] <dystopianray> is that normal?
[12:48] <wabiD> sometimes it over maximises
[12:48] <wabiD> like terminal
[12:48] <dystopianray> it's undermaximising here
[12:48] <dystopianray> there is a gap all around windows when they are maximised
[12:48] <wabiD> yea
[12:48] <wabiD> i think its the drop shadow or something
[12:49] <wabiD> mine is undermaximizing right now too
[12:49] <wabiD> thats odd the other day it was opposit
[12:49] <dystopianray> it's like the curved window edges disappear
[12:49] <wabiD> yea
[12:49] <wabiD> because it thinks its maximized
[12:52] <wabiD> gimp is a terrible png compressor
[12:53] <penguincentral> wabiD: if we were all quality obsessed, we'd ALL own a copy of photoshop for MAC ;)
[12:53] <wabiD> no but printscreen takes a 1.8mb image of my screen
[12:54] <wabiD> then if i open it in gimp and save with max compression it turns into 2.2mb
[12:54] <wabiD> i lied, nevermind, interlacing the image adds the extra .4mb
[12:55] <dystopianray> randr 1.2 is awesome
[12:57] <scizzo-> moin
[01:01] <wabiD> can anyone explain this or help me fix it - http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4123/granju7.png
[01:01] <bXi> whats the problem?
[01:02] <bXi> the big google logo?
[01:02] <kurros> lol
[01:02] <kurros> dpi setting
[01:03] <wabiD> dpi settings just for one program?
[01:03] <wabiD> my about config values are the same
[01:04] <dystopianray> is anyone else getting a default resolution of 1024x768 with intel graphics?
[01:04] <wabiD> layout.css.dpi are set to -1 for both programs
[01:04] <Laser87> hi, i'm using tb as email-client and gran paradiso as browser
[01:04] <Laser87> but links in tb open in firefox
[01:04] <wabiD> edit
[01:05] <Laser87> how can i change this?
[01:05] <wabiD> preferences > set as default
[01:05] <nosrednaekim> heh... the ATI 8.41 driver doesn'tlike my 64bit install
[01:05] <wabiD> sorry for the linebreak k- urros my gran paradiso was like that since i installed it
[01:05] <wabiD> i havnt made one change
[01:05] <Laser87> gran paradiso is the standard browser
[01:06] <nosrednaekim> wha? I thought it was still bon echo..
[01:07] <wabiD> wasnt that 2
[01:07] <dystopianray> is anyone else finding that kopete does not work at all from the livecd?
[01:07] <Laser87> gran paradiso is firefox 3
[01:07] <Hobbsee> dystopianray: it should be wroking...
[01:07] <jc-denton> morning
[01:08] <wabiD> yea i still cant get my gran paradiso images to be normal sizes
[01:08] <dystopianray> Hobbsee: it doesn't do anything when I try to connect to msn or jabber
[01:09] <dystopianray> i will try again on a different system
[01:10] <jc-denton> does anybody have cube running on gutsy?
[01:10] <Hobbsee> dystopianray: oh, erk.  i see.
[01:11] <dystopianray> Hobbsee: it doesn't work for you either?
[01:11] <wabiD> does anyone else have a reason that only one program would have its own dpi settings
[01:11] <Hobbsee> correct
[01:12] <jc-denton> i changed the value for hsize and vsize in /app/compiz/general/screen0/options
[01:12] <jc-denton> but still my 'cube' is still flat and has only 2 workspaces
[01:13] <Hobbsee> dystopianray: if you can track down why that bug occurs, file it.
[01:13] <Laser87> problem solved: edit  network.protocol-handlerapp in the about:config of tb to firefox-granparadiso
[01:14] <Hobbsee> (with a fix)
[01:14] <Hobbsee> dystopianray: it may already be filed, iirc
[01:14] <dystopianray> ok I will look into it
[01:15] <wabiD> whats the difference between desktop plane and desktop wall
[01:20] <penguincentral> !hi | defcon
[01:22] <jc-denton> aha
[01:22] <jc-denton> virtual desktops and workspaces with gnome/compiz are confusing
[01:22] <ubotu> defcon: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[01:23] <BlueParrot> penguincentral: you can have multiple desktops that you switch between
[01:23] <jc-denton> now i got it
[01:23] <penguincentral> ok
[01:23] <jc-denton> you have to set the number of virtual desktops to 1
[01:24] <jc-denton> then set hsize and vsize
[01:24] <penguincentral> eh, if you have no idea what you are doing, then it is best to leave it alone
[01:31] <cypherdelic>  udev hngt ab von volumeid (= 113-0ubuntu13); aber:
[01:31] <cypherdelic>   Paket volumeid ist noch nicht konfiguriert.
[01:31] <cypherdelic> dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von udev (--configure):
[01:31] <cypherdelic>  Abhngigkeitsprobleme - lasse es unkonfiguriert
[01:31] <TheInfinity> hello ... perl pakages are broken atm, hmm?
[01:32] <cypherdelic> wine packages are broken
[01:32] <TheInfinity> wine pakages are also broken, yes ;)
[01:32] <TheInfinity> because of perl gutsy wants to uninstall almost everything - including xorg etc
[01:33] <jc-denton> oohh i hate localized stuff in the bash
[01:40] <cypherdelic> TheInfinity: no gutsy wine seems not to be broken
[01:40] <cypherdelic> 0.9.45 gutsy seems to work
[01:40] <cypherdelic> but 0.9.46 is out ...
[01:41] <cypherdelic> volumeid 1.1.3 btw is broken
[01:41] <panosru> Hi, how can i input Euro sign in Gutsy?
[01:42] <TheInfinity> cypherdelic: if i install wine via kde control center (it asks to install wine) it installs wine - but then the control center still says that no wine is installed
[01:42] <TheInfinity> alt gr + e
[01:42] <panosru> what is "gr"?
[01:43] <nosrednaekim> cypherdelic: you know, there is a fix for that. look it up on launchpad
[01:43] <TheInfinity> the key right side to space key
[01:43] <vader1102> TheInfinity, that would be alt on my keyboard
[01:43] <TheInfinity> its a german keyboard, dont know if it has another text on it in other languages
[01:44] <panosru> oh you mean press righ alt and e ok it worked thanks! :D
[01:44] <TheInfinity> german keyboards have alt and alt gr
[01:44] <vader1102> ahhhhh ok lol
[01:44] <TheInfinity> i think most english ones, too
[01:44] <panosru> in windows i used to press (left) ctrl + (left) alt + e is there a way to make this in ubuntu too?
[01:44] <TheInfinity> some keyboards have 2 times alt although they have different meenings
[01:45] <TheInfinity> nosrednaekim: you never used latex? ;)
[01:45] <panosru> i have russian keyboard for which one i can't find drivers lool
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> TheInfinity: nope :)
[01:45] <nosrednaekim> can't say i'm any worse for it either..
[01:45] <BlueParrot> panosru: if you feel really adventurous you could create a custom keyboard layout
[01:45] <Laser87> panosru: In German System - Einstellunegen - Tastatureinstellungen
[01:45] <BlueParrot> panosru: I did that because I use both norwegian and swedish characters, and I don't like dead-keys
[01:46] <panosru> cool, well for now right alt and e suits me :D
[01:46] <Fastly> i just installed a fresh gutsy beta 1 from cd and update manager says i must now perform a partial upgrade.... then whilst preparing the upgrade the following error is displayed: Could not calculate the upgrade
[01:46] <Fastly> any ideas?
[01:46] <panosru> by the way, does anyone have ergomedia 700? (i'm just curious)
[01:47] <mrtimdog> Hi, which version off gcc was used to build the current generic kernel?
[01:47] <panosru> Fastly, same thing here, i suppose that these upgrades are not yet ready
[01:47] <RAOF> mrtimdog: Probably 4.2
[01:47] <panosru> Fastly, maybe the packages are not uploaded yet
[01:48] <mrtimdog> Thanks RAOF, is that a guess?
[01:48] <Laser87> panosru: should be in English system - preferences - tastatur layout
[01:48] <Fastly> ok, well i suppose this is still a beta release..
[01:49] <panosru> Fastly, yes
[01:49] <panosru> Laser87, what should be there?
[01:49] <RAOF> mrtimdog: Well, that's the default gcc IIRC.  It's possible that it's deliberately built with an older gcc, but I can't think why.
[01:50] <mrtimdog> Ok, thanks. Just building ALSA libs to try and get my sound working.
[01:50] <Laser87> panosru: to give special tastatur combinations a special function
[01:50] <Laser87> (my english left me)
[01:51] <Blackgoth> \\o
[01:51] <Blackgoth> o//
[01:51] <panosru> Laser87, oh great i will check it
[01:51] <vader1102> Laser87, my english allways goes away........ no worries
[01:51] <Blackgoth> what kind of major changes are we seeing in gutsy gibbon beta?
[01:52] <panosru> btw, does anyone know anything about the future of reiserFS ? will they continue the development? will the russian programmers continue the development of reiserFS as i read somewhere in announcements?
[01:52] <Laser87> in compare with tribe 5? no major changes
[01:52] <Blackgoth> oh
[01:52] <mrtimdog> RAOF: Just checked, default gcc is currently 4.1.
[01:52] <scizzo-> Laser87: ?
[01:53] <scizzo-> Laser87: there are loads of changes since tribe 5
[01:53] <Blackgoth> perfect \o/
[01:53] <scizzo-> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing
[01:53] <RAOF> mrtimdog: Sorry, I must be thinking of Debian :).  Anyway, the kernel is almost certanily built with the default gcc :)
[01:53] <scizzo-> for info about changes
[01:53] <Blackgoth> scizzo-: thanks :)
[01:54] <Laser87> scizzo-: I just got 45 actualisations - mostly from one ubuntu-version to the other - no big deal...
[01:55] <scizzo-> Laser87: well then one kernel version from the other is not a big change either then?
[01:57] <Laser87> scizzo-:  I still have 2.6.22-generic... something wrong with my update?
[01:57] <panosru> TheInfinity, hey man (offtopic) are you from frankfurt?
[01:58] <Laser87> 2.6.22-12 sry
[01:58] <gianluca> hi guys i dont find the page so i ask u when will be disponible all languages pack for 7.10
[01:58] <scizzo-> Laser87: its the latest kernel build for ubuntu
[01:59] <Laser87> I had it already last weekend - so it's nothing new for the beta?
[01:59] <scizzo-> Laser87: no
[01:59] <scizzo-> Laser87: you have surely been on gutsy for a long time
[02:00] <scizzo-> Laser87: you probably already was fully updated since you use gutsy since before the beta release
[02:00] <Laser87> That's why I said, no major differences between the last alpha and the beta
[02:00] <scizzo-> Laser87: ok...install the tribe 5 CD and then upgrade
[02:00] <Laser87> scizzo-: Ok - just a misunderstanding :-)
[02:01] <Blackgoth> damnit, im in a loop
[02:01] <Laser87> I installed alpa tribe 1 and then always updated
[02:01] <scizzo-> Laser87: you are saying that there is no difference between a alpha 5 > beta release?
[02:02] <Laser87> scizzo-: Not no, but no major changings - there have been major changings between the alphas
[02:02] <scizzo-> jesus...I give up
[02:04] <Laser87> I had several Kernel-updates from one alpha to the next - but no from the latest alpha to beta and just 45 actualisations...
[02:04] <TheInfinity> panosru: bochum ;)
[02:05] <panosru> TheInfinity, oh ok... i try to find any mma gym or luta livre in frankfurt and i can't find any :P thats why i'm asksing :P
[02:05] <TheInfinity> just ask in #ubuntu-de e.g.
[02:06] <TheInfinity> i think you will find someone from ffam ;)
[02:06] <panosru> lol right
[02:08] <scizzo-> Laser87: yes I was only talking about kernel changes.......now leave it
[02:08] <kadaka1> whats the command for turning your laptops screen brightness towards maximum ?
[02:08] <scizzo-> Laser87: if you really say there is no major changes between tribe 5 and beta then ok....
[02:15] <Seivan|> Excuse me, I got no sound at all, and I'm running gutsy, Got a Realtek card, but what for  realtek I don't know
[02:15] <Seivan|> ITs a laptop
[02:15] <nosredna_ekim> Seivan|: what chipset?
[02:15] <nosredna_ekim> ATI?
[02:16] <Seivan|> nosredna_ekim: ehm Sound
[02:16] <nosredna_ekim> I know... is it an ATI?
[02:16] <Seivan|> Ati doesnt make sounds for all I know?
[02:16] <kadaka1> heelp! i cant see anything on my screen. I can turn the brightness down, but i cant turn it up
[02:16] <kadaka1> its killing my eyes :S
[02:17] <Seivan|> nosredna_ekim: no its RealTek
[02:17] <nosredna_ekim> kadaka1: lol.. is this a laptop?
[02:17] <kadaka1> i tried this:  xgamma -gamma 0.6
[02:17] <kadaka1> Xlib:  extension "XFree86-VidModeExtension" missing on display ":1.0".
[02:17] <kadaka1> Unable to query video extension version
[02:17] <kadaka1> nosredna_ekim: yeah
[02:17] <kadaka1> Lenovo 3000 N200
[02:18] <nosredna_ekim> Seivan|: I know I know...but do you have an intel or an ATI or an nvidia chipset, i.e what is your graphics card
[02:18] <Seivan|> I have Intel, but my graphicscard is nvidia 8600
[02:18] <nosredna_ekim> ok.. so its intel.
[02:19] <Seivan|> yeah
[02:19] <nosredna_ekim> look up your laptop on www.linux-laptop.net
[02:19] <Seivan|> I can choose between two devices, HDA Intel (Alsa mixer) and Realtek ID 268 (OSS Mixer)
[02:19] <nosredna_ekim> use the HDA intel
[02:19] <kadaka1> the brighness controls worked under 7.04
[02:20] <nosredna_ekim> kadaka1: heh... i'm glad I have hardware brightness control'
[02:20] <Seivan|> nosredna_ekim: still no sound
[02:20] <nosredna_ekim> Seivan|: look up you laptop on the above link and see if anyone has done this b4.
[02:22] <kadaka1> if i plug AC in, then its normal brightness
[02:22] <nosredna_ekim> kubuntu or ubuntu?
[02:23] <kadaka1> ubuntu 7.10
[02:24] <nosredna_ekim> kadaka1: ah. I only know how to hack the kubuntu power/brightness manager
[02:24] <kadaka1> tell me, maybe its usable
[02:25] <nosredna_ekim> its called guidance-power-manager
[02:26] <CountX> yo yo yo wats up
[02:27] <cwillu> I spent 8 hours at denny's yesterday, and I'm not an employee of theirs
[02:27] <CountX> lol
[02:27] <CountX> i spend 9 hours at class
[02:27] <CountX> sometimes 10
[02:27] <CountX> today
[02:27] <CountX> at 9am
[02:27] <CountX> till 5
[02:27] <nosredna_ekim> they have goood wifi or someting ?
[02:28] <igorgue> udev broken on last update?
[02:28] <CountX> no i go to class
[02:28] <cwillu> yes, in the sense of having it at all, and giving me lots and lots of coffee
[02:28] <CountX> is ut2k4 fun on linux?
[02:28] <CountX> like can i play with windows users on a LAN?
[02:28] <ssam> igorgue, yes
[02:29] <igorgue> :S
[02:29] <igorgue> a lot of changes since yesterday
[02:29] <ssam> igorgue, there is a bug, and i think it has been fix, but the new package has not hit the repos yet
[02:30] <igorgue> ok cool
[02:33] <CountX> F@#!
[02:33] <CountX> I CANT PLAY UT2004
[02:33] <CountX> Can't find 'ini:Engine.Engine.GameEngine' in configuration file
[02:34] <DjDarkman> hello
[02:34] <cwillu> hey hey
[02:34] <cwillu> look at this guy, saying hello to the channel
[02:34] <cwillu> who does he think he is?  :p
[02:34] <DjDarkman> I have a problem here, If I install xgl, then kubuntu will run it automaticle with every session
[02:35] <d1006> that's the intended working of XGL
[02:35] <cwillu> DjDarkman: I _think_ it'll just work
[02:35] <DjDarkman> but the problem comes when I need a _non_xgl session
[02:35] <cwillu> DjDarkman: it's not too hard to change it if it doesn't though;  any kdm guide can walk you through it
[02:36] <cwillu> gdm, kdm et al all have ways of specifying alternate sessions
[02:36] <d1006> cwillu: he's saying it *does* start every time, presumably he doesn't want that
[02:36] <d1006> or that's what i understood ^_^
[02:36] <DjDarkman> I mean that I feisty
[02:36] <DjDarkman> I made an xgl session
[02:36] <d1006> it's changed since feisty
[02:37] <d1006> look on the forums, there's posts about how toggle it on/off as such
[02:37] <DjDarkman> and if I wanted to go to kde without xgl then I selected the kde session
[02:37] <nosredna_ekim> DjDarkman: gutsy doesn't do that? wow..
[02:37] <DjDarkman> gutsy runs xgl no mather what the session
[02:37] <nosredna_ekim> gutsy automatically makes your only session XGL?
[02:37] <nosredna_ekim> thats not good.
[02:38] <DjDarkman> and my ati videocard is so good that it can only run OpenGL if I`m in a non-xgl session
[02:38] <d1006> xgl automatically makes xgl your default session
[02:38] <d1006> like i already said though, just check the forums for how to disable it, it's easy
[02:38] <nosredna_ekim> d1006: didn't do that for me before...
[02:38] <cwillu> DjDarkman: free driver doesn't work?
[02:38] <nosredna_ekim> DjDarkman: just remove xgl?
[02:39] <DjDarkman> cwillu: no it doesn`t
[02:39] <d1006> xgl in gutsy does nosredna_ekim - old xgl didn't
[02:39] <nosredna_ekim> ah.
[02:39] <DjDarkman> nosredna_ekim: but I want to sometimes use compiz and sometimes I don`t
[02:39] <nosredna_ekim> DjDarkman: same here...
[02:39] <d1006> DjDarkman: look on the forums. your solution is easy
[02:40] <LjL> i suppose xgl is still supposed to be used for ati cards only...?
[02:40] <d1006> if the reason for using it is to enable a compix/et al then yes
[02:41] <LjL> what's another reason?
[02:41] <nosredna_ekim> old old nvidia cards
[02:41] <cwillu> LjL: I'm planning on using it to do multiseat with accelerated opengl
[02:41] <cwillu> but I don't know of any good reasons beyond that :p
[02:50] <Reaby> can i change easily nautilus / metacity _NET_WORKAREA thing.
[02:51] <Reaby> or change how big will windows grow when maximized
[02:54] <CountX> oh my
[02:54] <CountX> when i try any play ut2004 i get this error "Critical: Negative delta time!"
[02:54] <CountX> wtf
[03:01] <CountX> how can i specify that a program only use one core of my cpu?
[03:02] <cwillu> CountX: 'apropos affinity' in the console
[03:03] <CountX> ?
[03:03] <CountX> i need to tell the program i launch to use one cpu because it crashes when i run it with both
[03:03] <TheVault> Why I ran 7.10 for the first time, There was no ubuntu startup sound like usual nor was there that screen showing whats loading up. Has this not been implemented yet in the beta?
[03:03] <CountX> so i cant change it after i start it....
[03:04] <cwillu> CountX: I'm telling you how to find the answer.
[03:04] <bullgard4> Is there a manual page for 'libdiscover1' in Gutsy?
[03:04] <CountX> i cant figure out how to use it
[03:04] <CountX> can you give me an example?
[03:04] <cwillu> TheVault: doesn't sound right, but I could be mistaken
[03:05] <cwillu> CountX: have you run the command yet?
[03:05] <CountX> yes
[03:05] <cwillu> did it mention taskset?
[03:05] <CountX> yes
[03:05] <cwillu> man taskset
[03:05] <TheVault> cwillu: Yeah, it did not have no startup sound nor the screen where it shows whats loading up. but in feisty fawn it does that jus fine. I downloaded the Beta ISO last night
[03:05] <cwillu> TheVault: is it playing any sound at all?
[03:06] <cwillu> it might have been disabled (running off tribe-3 upgraded)
[03:06] <TheVault> cwillu: Well I have not gone that far. Gutsy was taking a really slow time loading up and I have a very fast computer. I donno.
[03:06] <d1006> TheVault: the gnome splash screen is disabled atm for gutsy, so it's not a bug that you don't see it
[03:06] <cwillu> TheVault: off the livecd, or after an install?
[03:06] <cwillu> d1006: ah, didn't know that
[03:06] <TheVault> d1006: Ahh that makes sense
[03:07] <CountX> cwillu, i have to leave, how might i run something with 1 cpu using that?
[03:07] <TheVault> cwillu: LIVE CD, I'm not installing Gutsy til final release
[03:07] <TheVault> d1006: Also, I was told there is a built in settings manager for Compiz Fusion, where is that? I can't use the cube & other things. Any ideas on that?
[03:08] <d1006> TheVault: you need to install that, it's not installed by default (well, the default is like...2 options i think)
[03:08] <d1006> compiz-configuration-manager or similar in synaptic
[03:09] <MatthewV> compizconfig-settings-manager iirc
[03:09] <TheVault> d1006: Ahh ok, Thank you very much for the information. I thought something went wrong during when I burned the ISO onto the DVD
[03:09] <TheVault> And that it skipped the Gnome Splash Manager & things
[03:09] <d1006> nps and yes it's called what MatthewV said
[03:11] <TheVault> d1006: Any other information that I should be aware of?
[03:12] <d1006> TheVault: it's beta and some things are or get broke :D searching the gutsy forums is A+ though
[03:12] <cwillu> I feel the need to point out that it's a beta, and that breakage is expected
[03:12] <d1006> snap cwillu :P
[03:13] <cwillu> :p
[03:13] <TheVault> d1006: Of course its the beta :P
[03:13] <TheVault> d1006: Well I'm off to try out Gutsy again and see if I get AWN installed using the LIVE cd. Laters & thanks again 4 the help
[03:14] <cwillu> awn?
[03:14] <d1006> :shrug: :P
[03:15] <bullgard4> Is there a manual page for 'libdiscover1' in Gutsy?
[03:15] <cwillu> bullgard4: might need a -doc package installed first
[03:16] <cwillu> although I don't see one
[03:16] <cwillu> could check the -dev package
[03:16] <cwillu> but the package itself only has a changelog and copyright in share/doc/
[03:17] <cwillu> bullgard4: what do you need it for?
[03:18] <bullgard4> cwillu: To better understand and use the hardware identification mechanism of Ubuntu.
[03:19] <cwillu> have you looked through hal and udev stuff yet?
[03:24] <savvas> um has anyone updated today?
[03:24] <savvas> Unpacking replacement xserver-xorg-core ...
[03:24] <savvas> Setting up volumeid (113-0ubuntu13) ...
[03:24] <savvas> /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst: 56: Syntax error: ")" unexpected (expecting ";;")
[03:24] <LjL> ugh
[03:25] <LjL> let me check if my xserver-xorg-core got updated
[03:25] <Hobbsee> savvas: yes....
[03:25] <d1006> yes but that error is a udev error
[03:25] <Hobbsee> LjL: read more carefully.
[03:25] <savvas> yeah, I saw it crash
[03:25] <Hobbsee> savvas: already fixed, waiting to build.
[03:25] <savvas> Hobbsee: so I shouldn't restart gnome?
[03:25] <Hobbsee> or you could just fix the script if you like
[03:25] <Hobbsee> gnome?  that wont make any differnece, i expect
[03:26] <savvas> oh, ok then :)
[03:26] <LjL> Hobbsee: sorry. how come i wasn't caught by that? (on the other hand, i think there's a file in kbluetooth that is also in qobex)
[03:26] <savvas> brb
[03:26] <RainCT> hi
[03:26] <Hobbsee> LjL: i've already fixed tha tone.
[03:27] <LjL> Hobbsee: oh, that must be why my adept icon is still in the tray :P
[03:27] <RainCT> will there be Gutsy CDs? I'm looking on the Beta download page but there are only DVD images :S
[03:27] <Hobbsee> LjL: yeah
[03:27] <Hobbsee> RainCT: please read the /topic
[03:27] <Tomcat_> RainCT: See topic
[03:27] <Hobbsee> it sometimes contains useful information
[03:27] <Hobbsee> and really wouldnt kill you to read it.  it'd make you look less like an idiot, too.
[03:28] <d1006> ouch ^_^
[03:29] <LjL> Hobbsee: oh wait, you've fixed that by pulling qobex? :o)
[03:30] <Hobbsee> LjL: qobex was removed earlier in the gutsy release cycle.  i fixed it by making libkbluetooth0 conflict with qobex, and qobex-dev so it doesnt break upgrades.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> (qobex in turn already conflicted with qobex-dev, and we need to nuke both)
[03:31] <savvas> cool, so waiting for udev and volumeid :)
[03:31] <MarkC> i've made a program that does nothing(it's blank) but i have a problem on linking: /usr/include/gtkmm-2.4/gtkmm/papersize.h:37: undefined reference to `Glib::ustring::ustring(char const*)'. so what could cause this? im sure my automake.am file's cool. i even used: INCLUDES = `pkg-config --libs --cflags gtkmm-2.4`it ran the last time, but ever since ive upgraded to gutsy this happens could it be related?
[03:31] <LjL> uhm Hobbsee, not that i couldn't just purge qobex out of the planet, but out of curiosity, how come libkbluetooth isn't removing qobex itself even after an apt-get clean?
[03:31] <Hobbsee> LjL: because you dont have the latest one?
[03:32] <Hobbsee> apt-get clean is unrelated
[03:32] <RainCT> Hobbsee: I see you are specially kindly today
[03:32] <LjL> Hobbsee: well, i've typed apt-get update+dist-upgrade like a dozen times, though perhaps it hasn't made it to my mirrors yet
[03:33] <savvas> I'm using the uk mirrors
[03:33] <Hobbsee> RainCT: you're the 50 billionth person who has asked about those cds.  what do you expect me to say?  we put things in the topic, like we do in the bot, so we dont have to keep answering the same questions.  and so what do people do?  dont bother to read them.
[03:33] <Hobbsee> LjL: which version of kdebluetooth do you have?
[03:33] <Hobbsee> (you're wanting ubuntu4)
[03:33] <LjL> Hobbsee: Installed: 1.0~beta8-0ubuntu3
[03:33] <d1006> savvas:
[03:34] <LjL> same for candidate
[03:34] <savvas> d1006: ?
[03:34] <d1006> just fix the file yourself if you don't wanna wait
[03:34] <Hobbsee> LjL: that's why, then.
[03:34] <Hobbsee> LjL: (mirror outdated)
[03:34] <LjL> Hobbsee: trying archive.ubuntu.com
[03:34] <savvas> d1006: no, it's fine, since nothing's broken :)
[03:34] <Hobbsee> LjL: oh, it's just building now
[03:34] <Hobbsee> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds
[03:34] <d1006> okay ^_^
[03:34] <Hobbsee> LjL: there was a mass perl-modules giveback, so everything's still building.
[03:35] <LjL> i'll wait then
[03:35] <RainCT> Hobbsee: I don't see it says anything about CDs or DVD in the topic and it's easy to thing releases.ubuntu.com is the same as cdimage.ubuntu.com. What's the difference between them, btw?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> holy crap.  https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending
[03:35] <savvas> hm.. I had an error with update-manager before this big update. when I ran update-manager it popped an error saying: Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the following error message:
[03:35] <savvas> 'E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.'
[03:35] <Hobbsee> that's a *lot* to  build
[03:35] <Hobbsee> savvas: already reported.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> although if you've got useful logs to add, please find the bug and add it to them.
[03:36] <savvas> didn't find anything in the system logs I checked, Hobbsee :(
[03:36] <cwillu> RainCT: main difference being that one has the beta, the other doesn't
[03:36] <savvas> I might as well sit back then :)
[03:36] <Hobbsee> RainCT: the last line, yeah.  r.u.c != cdimage.u.c.  releases.u.c does the official cds (as in,official arches), and cdimage does the daily builds, and unofficial images.
[03:36] <Hobbsee> savvas: darn.  was hoping that there was something.  oh well.
[03:37] <RainCT> ah ok, thx
[03:37] <LjL> Hobbsee: about bluetooth... there is a bug report about that - kblueplugd crashing on login - with people saying conflicting things. but i kind of suspect it's just that... 'bluetooth' doesn't get installed by default (even even when it is, it doesn't get *started* by default as it gets no /etc/rc2.d script)
[03:37] <savvas> Hobbsee: haven't checked dpkg though, let me see
[03:37] <LjL> and kblueplugd doesn't like that i suppose
[03:37] <Hobbsee> LjL: i didnt look into that one
[03:37] <DevideZero> un kubuntu 7.10 i will not able to choose the root pass like kubuntu 7.04 ?
[03:37] <phil_> RainCT: i think one has cd images and the other dvd images
[03:38] <Hobbsee> DevideZero: incorrect.  it hasnt changed.
[03:38] <LjL> Hobbsee: it's a bug that will get quite a few duplicates i suspect, as apport catches it right when you login
[03:38] <foondan> hi
[03:39] <Hobbsee> phil_: please read what i said.  i said that hte unofficial arches are on cdimage, (which includes things like ppc), and the dvds are, because they'r eunofficial.
[03:39] <DevideZero> Hobbsee , it will be changed sometime ?
[03:39] <Hobbsee> phil_: the official cds are on releases.u.c
[03:39] <Hobbsee> DevideZero: why would it be?
[03:39] <DevideZero> Hobbsee , in all the other linux dist i can choose root pass . . .
[03:39] <LjL> not that kblueplugd *ought* to crash just because bluez isn't installed, but
[03:40] <Hobbsee> !root
[03:40] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[03:40] <LjL> !root | DevideZero
[03:40] <ubotu> DevideZero: please see above
[03:40] <cwillu> DevideZero: #ubuntu might be a better place to discuss it
[03:40] <foondan> I've got a question about a sl-modem bug
[03:40] <cwillu> ooo, ubotu's getting smarter :)
[03:41] <hylje> cwillu: always been doing that
[03:41] <savvas> Hobbsee: sorry, it's long gone, but I think it was the tracker tool, it was listed in the kept back while I was updating
[03:41] <cwillu> hylje: 'please see above?'   not always.  for a while, but not always :p
[03:41] <LjL> cwillu: yeah, for a while though
[03:41] <DevideZero> cwillu , i know who to run software with root access , and i know that i can sudo -i . . . but i dont understand wahy kubuntu ban the users to choose root pass and get to super user
[03:42] <cwillu> DevideZero: it doesn't.  It just doesn't make it easy for them to shoot themselves in their feet
[03:42] <LjL> DevideZero: how does it ban you from getting to super user?
[03:42] <LjL> when you type sudo -i, you *become* the superuser
[03:42] <foondan> There is no dev assigned to the sl-modem kernel module compile bug. would somebody please have a look at it?
[03:42] <Hobbsee> DevideZero: they dont.  please actually read that page.
[03:43] <Hobbsee> gah.  damned people who are incapable of searching for dupes.
[03:43] <Hobbsee> nope, someone else go tit.
[03:43] <bullgard4> cwillu: hal-spec.html does not mention libdiscover1.
[03:43] <DevideZero> Hobbsee , one question i can choose *somehow* even iin "hard" way the root pass (like in ubuntu) or not ?
[03:44] <LjL> DevideZero: you didn't read the page did you
[03:44] <Hobbsee> DevideZero: you'll find the answer to that if you actually read the page.
[03:44] <RAdams> Any thoughts on Reiser4 as a main FS for an Ubuntu install? I'm on the live CD and pondering a change from ext3
[03:45] <LjL> oh wait Hobbsee...
[03:45] <cwillu> RAdams: -> #ubuntu
[03:45] <void^> RAdams: the livecd/default ubuntu kernels support reiser4?
[03:46] <Tecumseh> anyone having problems with the updates that came today? package volumeid is nog able to be configured
[03:46] <jack_mcdowell> they just worked now,
[03:46] <Hobbsee> Tecumseh: /topic.
[03:46] <RAdams> void^: You have to install the reiser4 tools
[03:46] <Tecumseh> thx Hobbsee
[03:46] <RAdams> cwillu: I asked there, no opinions were presented
[03:47] <DevideZero> Hobbsee , so i need this ? "sudo passwd -l root"
[03:47] <RAdams> I'm using Gusty anyway :o
[03:47] <Hobbsee> DevideZero: yeah.  (and i'm not sure who changed that page)
[03:47] <Hobbsee> sorry, without the -l
[03:47] <cwillu> RAdams: so obviously the answer is to come bug people in the beta :p
[03:47] <RAdams> cwillu: Of course, if I'm using Gusty
[03:47] <RAdams> which I am
[03:48] <RainCT> lol
[03:48] <DevideZero> Hobbsee , ok last question , for kde what will be this command ? "gksudo "gnome-open %u""
[03:48] <foondan> Could some dev please have a look at #103072
[03:48] <foondan> bug ##103072
[03:48] <asisak> bug 103072
[03:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 103072 in sl-modem "[Feisty & Gutsy Tribe]  sl-modem module doesn't compile" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/103072
[03:48] <void^> RAdams: there's a module available?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> DevideZero: depends on what %u expands to, but usually kdesudo %u
[03:49] <RAdams> void^: sudo apt-get install reiser4progs libaal-dev libreiser4-dev
[03:50] <DevideZero> Hobbsee , to create shortcut with "kdesudo %u" command ?
[03:51] <void^> RAdams: it suggests kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4
[03:51] <Hobbsee> DevideZero: what shortcut do you want to create?
[03:51] <Hobbsee> DevideZero: but yes, if you wish
[03:51] <RAdams> void^: yes, it does
[03:52] <DevideZero> Hobbsee , like they say in this page , sortcut for "drag and drop" what i will run something with "automatic" sudo
[03:52] <void^> RAdams: so you need to compile it and make sure it gets included in the initramfs which is a bit of a pain
[03:53] <RAdams> void^: I can format a partition as reiser4 right now
[03:53] <RAdams> void^: from the live CD, then boot from it. I'm just not sure I want to
[03:54] <cwillu> RAdams: what are you looking for?  or just because it seems cool?
[03:54] <void^> you can format it, but how are you going to mount it..?
[03:54] <cwillu> RAdams: it's not cool, it's not fun, there's nothing to see here :)
[03:54] <RAdams> cwillu: Please don't patronize me. I understand the difference between filesystems.
[03:55] <RAdams> I'm looking for increased speed and handling many small files, while maintaining integrity in the event of system crashes, hung inodes, etc.
[03:55] <cwillu> iirc, you'll lose some integrity (ext3 can do more extensive journalling)
[03:56] <Hobbsee> LjL: udev stuff has all been built now.  we should be right.
[03:56] <savvas> yep, updated
[03:59] <RAdams> cwillu: http://kernelnewbies.org/WhyReiser4IsNotIn Interesting article I found via google.
[04:00] <RAdams> and http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/7/21/109 for Hans' side
[04:01] <savvas> I'm glad everything works in Gutsy, even the Marvell ATA/SATA controller :)
[04:03] <Dr_willis> Howdies all.
[04:03] <penguin42> Does anyone know how to 1) disable totem-plugin (or turn off individual file type bindings) or  2) Configure the plugin so it doesn't do 3D visualisation stuff (It seems to be turned off in the stand alone app)
[04:04] <penguin42> Hi Dr
[04:08] <foondan> Does some dev have some time to help me?
[04:08] <penguin42> LjL: Does that mean the fix for volumeid has gone in?
[04:08] <cwillu> penguin42: you can rename/move/delete the plugin from the mozilla plugins directory (assuming you're talking about firefox?)
[04:09] <kirkunit> urgh.. i've managed to hose my system doing a dist-upgrade from feisty to gutsy. Boot splash screen hangs and if I try and earlier Kernel X is not configured. Can anyone help?
[04:09] <LjL> penguin42: it should have, though i guess it still depends on the mirror
[04:09] <penguin42> cwillu: Well I am using firefox; and if I go to about:plugins it has 'enabled: yes' for all the items - that does suggest you can disable it!
[04:09] <penguin42> LjL: OK, the update I did a couple of hours ago still had it
[04:10] <Hobbsee> !weekend | foondan
[04:10] <ubotu> foondan: It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[04:11] <cwillu> penguin42: are you sure it's not xv related?
[04:11] <panosru> hi, how can i convert video files into 3gp format?
[04:11] <Dr_willis> Testing out some New installs -  and i noticed a oddity. if you use restricted-manager on a clean new install (first thing i did) it was unable to get the nvidia (or ati) drivers. due to the proper repository not being enabled,  - Anyone else notice this?
[04:11] <cwillu> penguin42: I didn't think totem's visuals were actually accelerated
[04:11] <Dr_willis> Took me 5 sec to enable them.. but my newbie friend was confused. :)
[04:11] <cwillu> panosru: --> #ubuntu (this is mostly about gutsy beta troubleshooting)
[04:12] <d1006> Dr_willis: without changing repos on a fresh install restricted drivers worked fine
[04:12] <d1006> (for me)#
[04:12] <panosru> oh ok! :D
[04:12] <Dr_willis> d1006, did ya do a apt-get update first?   Could be somthign tehy fixed real fast.
[04:12] <penguin42> cwillu: I thought it was Xv related when I had a crash with compiz+video playing last week; but I just had a matching crash playing an MP3 via the totem plugin - I guess it might startup Xv even if it has no video
[04:12] <cwillu> kirkunit: reboot, and remove splash and quiet from the kernel line
[04:12] <cwillu> penguin42: that's what I'm guessing
[04:12] <penguin42> cwillu: What's broken with it? Xv used to be stable as a rock on feisty on i945
[04:12] <cwillu> penguin42: open gstreamer-properties, go to video, and set it to noxv
[04:13] <kirkunit> cwillu: ok thanks.. i'll try that...brb
[04:13] <d1006> Dr_willis: pretty sure it was from a totally fresh install. perhaps a repo or connection issue. need more details though i think, as it did work for me fine
[04:13] <cwillu> Xv was/is broken on some intel's with compiz running
[04:13] <penguin42> cwillu: But the thing is I've now got compiz off - which is what confused me
[04:13] <cwillu> a recent update fixed it on my particular card, so you might try that
[04:13] <d1006> however if it was fixed /updated between me using it and the beta fresh install, there's no prob now i guess
[04:14] <cwillu> penguin42: it's only broken in the browser?
[04:14] <penguin42> cwillu: I'm not 100% sure
[04:14] <ReL1K> cwillu: the updates today?
[04:14] <gnomefreak> penguin42: if it worked in feisty not in gutsy using a i945 my thought would be the new intel drivers (since they ahve been an issue for a month or 2
[04:14] <gnomefreak> s/ahve/have
[04:14] <ReL1K> i got an intel card and xv is still unstable..haven't updated yet today
[04:14] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Is this the 'intel' as opposed to 'i810' drivers?
[04:15] <cwillu> ReL1K: no, updated a week ago
[04:15] <ReL1K> ah
[04:15] <gnomefreak> penguin42: its the experimental intel drivers this houses driver for i810 and up
[04:15] <gnomefreak> maybe one or 2 lower as well
[04:16] <gnomefreak> penguin42: its wrapped up in xserver-xorg-intell-something   (cant think of name of it off hand
[04:16] <penguin42> gnomefreak: If the new driver is flaky why not just stick to the old one for older chips?
[04:16] <gnomefreak> xserver-xorg-video-intel
[04:16] <cwillu> penguin42: newer driver has much better head-detection, among other things
[04:16] <gnomefreak> penguin42: im guessing they will get bugs out of it
[04:17] <gnomefreak> since it was uploaded yesterday/early this morning they have changed a few things | hard to tell since im not looking at changelog
[04:18] <ReL1K> there were intel driver updates today?
[04:18] <penguin42> hmph - no changelog.hz in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-intel
[04:18] <gnomefreak> .hz?
[04:18] <penguin42> typo
[04:18] <penguin42> no changelog.gz
[04:19] <gnomefreak> source or LP will hold the changelog
[04:19] <penguin42> LP?
[04:19] <gnomefreak> give me a minute
[04:19] <penguin42> a bit unfortunate - I'm used to looking at the changelog.gz's
[04:19] <gnomefreak> launchpad
[04:19] <penguin42> ah
[04:20] <penguin42> there is a note in the xserver-xorg-video-i810 in the last update of 'use xf86XVFillKeyHelperDrawable() to fix video playback with compositing enabled'
[04:20] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel
[04:21] <penguin42> hmm but that i810 fix was August
[04:21] <LjL> reinstating the topic because at least 1.0~beta8-0ubuntu4 of kdebluetooth hasn't made it to archive.ubuntu.com yet, not to mention the other mirrors
[04:22] <gnomefreak> penguin42: the link i gave you is the changelog for the experimental package (not really experimental) not sure why we call it that maybe due to some of the drivers in it
[04:22] <penguin42> nod - thanks; I think that is the driver I'm using now - although as I said; I turned compiz of last week - I'd rather have stable than pretty
[04:22] <gnomefreak> Allow xserver-xorg-video-i810 and xserver-xorg-video-intel to coexist until -intel is able to replace it completely.
[04:22] <gnomefreak> lol
[04:23] <xero9364> upping the dates
[04:23] <xero9364> 90 of em
[04:23] <penguin42> which is why was more surprised when it crashed in the same way
[04:24] <xero9364> Wait. What's broken in this batch?
[04:24] <gnomefreak> LjL: the broken packages is it just kdebluetooth? i know bluetooth on gnome is up to its old tricks again
[04:24] <penguin42> if intel cards aren't stable on release it'll be pretty bad; I hate to think how many people we'll get with it
[04:25] <gnomefreak> penguin42: again it will get fixed "forget the word "experimental" for now
[04:25] <LjL> gnomefreak, there also seems to be an udev problem, though i haven't experienced it, but it has been confirmed. people won't die out of waiting a few minutes before pressing Enter on their dist-upgrade, anyway ;)
[04:25] <TheVault> how do you get the cube to work in gutsy. I'm using the LIVE CD right now I can do other things besides the cube. Any ideas or maybe a change in key combination?
[04:26] <gnomefreak> LjL: thats not good
[04:26] <xero9364> TheVault, the cube isn't there until you install compizconfig-settings-manager
[04:26] <xero9364> and tweak it
[04:26] <Trewas> xvideo actually works now on 915GM with intel driver, it did not work a week or so ago when I tested... at least the driver improves :)
[04:26] <TheVault> xero9364: I did sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager and it said "something not found. So that don't work
[04:27] <LjL> savvas, please inform me if/when you can upgrade without the udev error, if you don't mind
[04:27] <xero9364> TheVault, then I don't know. Ask someone else.
[04:27] <gnomefreak> LjL: either i did the udev update yesterday or it was pulled out of updates
[04:27] <TheVault> Hmmm I'll keep trying
[04:27] <fulat2k> hi folks, i'm using adept-manager to upgrade from feisty.  but upon installing the packages, i'm having core dump from perl.  any ideas?
[04:27] <gnomefreak> but i am not getting errors
[04:27] <xero9364> Do you have an Advanced Desktop Effects Settings in your System>Preferences?
[04:27] <gnomefreak> fulat2k: dont use adept to upgrade
[04:27] <xero9364> If so, CLICKY CLICKY!!!
[04:27] <TheVault> Nah, its not there
[04:27] <fulat2k> gnomefreak: i'm on kubuntu
[04:28] <LjL> gnomefreak, well, for that matter i didn't get the problem at all, but hobbsee confirmed it - she also confirmed it as fixed now, but since she also said the new kdebluetooth package has finished building, and yet i still can't get it from archive.ubuntu.com...
[04:28] <gnomefreak> fulat2k: upgrading for some reason is broken for 98% of users with adept or not
[04:28] <TheVault> xero9364: Nah, the Advanced Desktop Effects is not there
[04:28] <gnomefreak> LjL: hmmmm
[04:28] <xero9364> TheVault, then I'm stumped.
[04:28] <TheVault> Yeah I know :P
[04:28] <TheVault> Unless I gotta enable more repositories here on the LIVE CD :P
[04:29] <xero9364> Try universe/mltiverse
[04:29] <gnomefreak> TheVault: no but depends what crad you have
[04:29] <TheVault> Yeah, I'm opening up that now
[04:29] <wersdaluv> what's the opensync gui frontend for gutsy?
[04:29] <gnomefreak> card*
[04:29] <TheVault> gnomefreak: crad?
[04:29] <TheVault> oh :P
[04:29] <gnomefreak> card*
[04:29] <TheVault> Yeah I got a card that works with Compiz Fusion
[04:30] <TheVault> Its the Intel Integrated 945GM Chipset
[04:30] <gnomefreak> TheVault: some of the intels work outof box others you have to use restricted-manager to enable the drivers and it wil set everything up for you.
[04:30] <gnomefreak> TheVault: should be out of box supportt
[04:30] <TheVault> gnomefreak: Well in my case the restricted manager did not come up so I'm assuming thaat it works right outta the box
[04:31] <TheVault> I'll figure it out. Thanks guys for the help
[04:33] <penguin42> Which Intel cards need restricted?
[04:36] <jack_mcdowell> penguin42: to get the most up to date drivers I use envy, ubuntu will probably run anyway, but you wont get the most out of your card
[04:37] <jack_mcdowell> penguin, sorry, envy is for ati and nvidia :)
[04:37] <sear_yoda> whee, the new perl-modules made it in!
[04:38] <jack_mcdowell> penguin: but the same goes for intel, if you want the most out your card  use the restricted drivers (you should also be willing to edit the xorg.conf if you do this)
[04:39] <Trewas> there are no restricted drivers for intel graphics cards
[04:39] <Trewas> though "cards" is a bit overstatement because they only have integrated stuff
[04:39] <jack_mcdowell> :) my bad, I'm not an intel person
[04:40] <albert23> LjL: I just survived 148 updates, including udev (on Gnome)
[04:40] <sear_yoda> udev/volumeid are fixed as of now
[04:40] <LjL> fixed *and* on the mirrors?
[04:40] <sear_yoda> looks like it
[04:40] <LjL> because *ubuntu4 of kdebluetooth still isn't
[04:41] <sear_yoda> Get:10 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main volumeid 113-0ubuntu14 [74.3kB] 
[04:41] <jack_mcdowell> yep, all upgrades work on the mirrors it seems
[04:41] <Hobbsee> LjL: may just not be published yet?
[04:42] <LjL> Hobbsee: 'published' meaning... on the mirrors?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:42] <Hobbsee> well, even on a.u.c
[04:42] <LjL> Hobbsee: were the udev thing and the kdebluetooth thing in the same batch?
[04:42] <Hobbsee> hm, definetly should be there by now
[04:42] <Hobbsee> LjL: udev was earlier
[04:42] <Hobbsee> LjL: but i've no idea how long the mass giveback took
[04:43] <LjL> uhm well Hobbsee, i don't suppose many people have qobex installed? (it wasn't a dependency of much, was it)
[04:43] <Hobbsee> LjL: they probably did from feisty
[04:43] <Hobbsee> i suspect it was a dep of kdebluetooth then.
[04:44] <LjL> then it's still a big issue for kubuntu users - i still have 18 packages not fully updated or blah blah
[04:44] <LjL> i think i'll wait before changing the topic
[04:44] <Hobbsee> LjL: patience, patience.  give it a couple of hours.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> besides, that thing's been broken for days.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> a couple more hours wont hurt.
[04:44] <LjL> sure Hobbsee, i'm just thinking about whether to change the topic back or not
[04:44] <Hobbsee> based on how many people use kubuntu, it should be fine
[04:45] <Hobbsee> but i would leave it, for the perl stuff
[04:45] <LjL> ...
[04:45] <LjL> well *i* use kubuntu and you use kubuntu, it makes almost 1% of the users of this channel :P
[04:45] <Hobbsee> LjL: hehe :)
[04:45] <Hobbsee> LjL: point
[04:46] <d1006> no one seems to read the topic anyway so.. ;)
[04:46] <LjL> that, too
[04:46] <darwin81> Can anyone post in the pastebin what the default Gutsy sources.list is? I was stupid and forgot to make a backup before messing with it.
[04:46] <sear_yoda> try the sources.list generator
[04:46] <LjL> !source-o-matic | darwin81
[04:46] <ubotu> darwin81: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:47] <LjL> mine is not very "default"!
[04:47] <kevinO> does ubuntu support bluetooth devices
[04:47] <penguin42> yeh! /me forcibly extracts the URL to the realplayer stream for a Beeb radio program and stuffs into gmplayer
[04:47] <penguin42> kevinO: Yes
[04:47] <LjL> kevinO: yes
[04:47] <kevinO> penguin, can you guys point me in the right direction
[04:48] <LjL> kevinO, do you have the 'bluetooth' package installed?
[04:48] <kevinO> nop
[04:48] <LjL> sure?
[04:48] <LjL> try  apt-cache policy bluetooth 
[04:48] <kevinO> cool
[04:48] <Vorbote> darwin81, there is always /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
[04:49] <LjL> The following packages will be REMOVED:  qobex
[04:49] <LjL> so, i think it has made it
[04:50] <kevinO> LjL:  ok i did that it says there are none installed, should I install the "bluetooth" package
[04:50] <LjL> kevinO: i think so
[04:50] <LjL> Hobbsee: (see, bluetooth isn't installed by default even on gnome... even though perhaps the gnome bluetooth tools don't crash like the kde ones :>)
[04:51] <kevinO>  ok i installed the package "bluetooth", now how do i configure it?
[04:52] <LjL> kevinO, you could use the console tools, but i'm pretty sure there are some GUI tools available by default in GNOME. you should ask someone else or check your menus, though, because i'm on KDE
[04:52] <Vorbote> ./j ##freebsd
[04:52] <Vorbote> rats!
[04:52] <kevinO> ok
[04:52] <penguin42> Haha! Revealed
[04:53] <LjL> traitor
[04:53] <Vorbote> Hahaha
[04:53] <LjL> oh and, i got a new udev too in the current batch of archive.ubuntu.com uploads
[04:55] <Vorbote> I wish there was support for vserver in Gutsy....
[04:55] <LjL> what's a vserver exactly?
[04:56] <dopez> Vorbote: userspace apps for openvz seems to be in gutsy, so you only need to make your own kernel
[04:56] <fraco> I use gnome, but with the upgrade to gutsy the default mouse pointer changed to that of kde. How do I get it back to the gnome default?
[04:56] <Vorbote> It is like a souped up freebsd jail environment. A chroot with its own network, devices and security isolated from the host, but using the host's kernel. It doesn't have the DomU/Dom0 overhead of Xen.
[04:56] <LjL> uhm i thought the default mouse pointer was the same in GNOME and KDE
[04:56] <Dr_willis> fraco,  gnome has selectable cursor themes, it can even show them/change them on the fly.
[04:57] <Vorbote> And you don't need a hypervisor for have run at metal speeds.
[04:57] <Dr_willis> Theres the 'X' cursor, then kde, and gnome both can have their own. I recall. but they both default to the normal X cuersor.
[04:57] <dopez> oh, and i just saw that the utils for vserver is also already included in gutsy
[04:57] <fraco> Dr_willis, how do I change them?
[04:57] <LjL> Vorbote, doesn't that sound like kvm - which i think is supported?
[04:57] <fraco> coz all the gnome desktop themes refer to the default pointer
[04:57] <LjL> (since feisty)
[04:57] <fraco> i g2g
[04:57] <fraco> sorry
[04:57] <Dr_willis> fraco,  theres a Mouse cursor theme tool somewhere...
[04:58] <kevinO> anyone know why I get this error: W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool main/b/bluez-gnome/bluez-gnome_0.14-0ubuntu1_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.89.6 80] 
[04:58] <Vorbote> LjL, no, KVM needs a hardware hypervisor. vserver does resource partitioning on the system.
[04:58] <Dr_willis> or at least there used to be.. :) cant find it.
[04:58] <LjL> what is this, bluetooth-packages-breakage day?
[04:58] <Vorbote> LjL, it is very mush alike to Solaris Zones.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> kevinO: because it's not there?
[04:58] <LjL> Vorbote: uhm well i'll have to read up on that. though apt-cache search vserver does show some related stuff
[04:59] <kevinO> Hobbsee: i think your wrong
[04:59] <Hobbsee> kevinO: at least, according to wget it's not there.
[04:59] <LjL> ehm no, she's not wrong
[04:59] <Vorbote> LjL, yes, the tools but not the patched kernels. BTW, Debian seems to have halted Xen kernels and focused on vserver. I'm using Sid to play with vserver and I'm very enthusiastic about it.
[04:59] <LjL> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool main/b/bluez-gnome/bluez-gnome_0.14-0ubuntu1_i386.deb is a 404
[05:00] <xero9364> Is it safe to update yet?
[05:00] <kevinO> well maybe i shgould rephrase my question, Why is it not there
[05:01] <LjL> kevinO: that's another question, to which i don't know the answer
[05:01] <Hobbsee> kevinO: is it on the regular a.u.c?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> if so, then it just hasnt propogated to your mirror.
[05:01] <Hobbsee> if not, then you'll need to look further
[05:02] <LjL> Hobbsee: it is there on the italian mirror for instance, but it's not on a.u.c
[05:03] <LjL> kevinO, short answer, just wait
[05:03] <kevinO> looks like they changed the name
[05:03] <Hobbsee> LjL: duh.  because 0ubuntu2 is out.
[05:03] <Hobbsee> i thought that sounded fishy
[05:03] <Hobbsee> and your mirror is (yet again) out of date
[05:03] <kevinO> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/bluez-gnome/bluez-gnome_0.14-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[05:04] <Hobbsee> LjL: aare you aware that you can use two sets of mirrors?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> kevinO: new version, yes.
[05:04] <LjL> Hobbsee, no, maybe it isn't this time -- i didn't check with apt-get, i just went straight to the URL on both mirrors
[05:04] <LjL> (and i don't normally use the italian mirror, either :)
[05:04] <LjL> Hobbsee: how? by simply putting both into sources.list?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> LjL: yep.  works a charm.
[05:04] <LjL> what about apt-torrent for gutsy+1 :)
[05:05] <Hobbsee> LjL: that brings up a whole other group of issues
[05:05] <LjL> actually, what about apt-get-with-axel-or-aria2-and-bother-the-hell-out-of-the-server-admins
[05:05] <Hobbsee> the what now?
[05:05] <Hobbsee> i hope sladen does some nice work with delta updates
[05:05] <LjL> Hobbsee: i meant, downloading from multiple mirrors concurrently :)
[05:06] <Hobbsee> he mentioned it at UDS, but i never heard anything else
[05:06] <LjL> (something that the 'axel' and 'aria2' packages can do)
[05:06] <Hobbsee> LjL: ahhh.  apt never does things concurrently.
[05:06] <Hobbsee> (perhaps for good reason?_
[05:06] <LjL> Hobbsee: no, it doesn't, but it would be just a matter of making it use aria rather than wget i think
[05:06] <LjL> but then again, i'm not sure the mirror admins would appreciate that
[05:07] <LjL> what would a delta update be?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> LjL: the downloads concurrently would be good
[05:07] <Hobbsee> LjL: only download the part that needs upgrading
[05:07] <LjL> well in a way, yes, they'd spread the load on multiple servers
[05:07] <LjL> but each user would take up many more download slots
[05:07] <Dr_willis> apt-torrent   :) get updates via bitrorrent!
[05:07] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:08] <LjL> Dr_willis: it *does* exist
[05:08] <Dr_willis> actually im suprised thats not more common.
[05:08] <Dr_willis> LjL,  i figured it did. :) just wasent sure if it was useable. heh
[05:08] <LjL> Hobbsee: the part *of a single package*? i suppose that means storing multiple diff files on the servers
[05:08] <LjL> Dr_willis: i don't think it is, easily at least
[05:08] <xero9364> bug 1 is surely not going to be fixed with this kind of Bluetooth breakage...
[05:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[05:08] <Dr_willis> I could see my ISP yelling at me for sharing too much LEGAL stuff. :)
[05:08] <LjL> xero9364, come on, it's just mirrors updating
[05:09] <Dr_willis> xero9364,  given how much ive fought with Bluetooth under windows.. Im suprised anyone even uses bluetooth.
[05:09] <xero9364> LjL, the US mirror (which most download from) isn't updated.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> LjL: i suspect that's the idea - but have no idea about the feasibility
[05:09] <LjL> who says most download from there?
[05:09] <Hobbsee> xero9364: ...
[05:09] <LjL> i'd say most download from archive.ubuntu.com
[05:09] <Hobbsee> xero9364: patience, patience.
[05:09] <LjL> which as far as i'm aware, isn't in the US
[05:09] <xero9364> Hobbsee, k.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> LjL: you're correct.
[05:09] <gnomefreak> xero9364: sure it is
[05:09] <Hobbsee> LjL: isle of mann, iirc.
[05:10] <Dr_willis> I notice a lot of openoffice updates... joy.. I need to remove openoffice someday..and soon. :)
[05:10] <gnomefreak> xero9364: im using them atm and they are for the most part up to date
[05:10] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: mostly?
[05:10] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: updates are good that means bugs are being fixed
[05:10] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: a.u.c is the *leading* mirror.  it has to be up to date.
[05:10] <Dr_willis>  http://us.archive.ubuntu.com is what i seem to be using by default
[05:10] <LjL> Hobbsee: tax paradise with no copyright laws in place? ;P
[05:10] <gnomefreak> yeah i dont run mirrors so i cant say fully
[05:10] <Dr_willis> gnomefreak,  yep. :) but i never use openoffice... gotta love updates for stuff ya never use.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> LjL: ahhh, so that's why they have multiverse there presumably
[05:10] <LjL> Dr_willis: just because you told the installer that you're in the US
[05:11] <Hobbsee> Dr_willis: you can remove it
[05:11] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: i used it first time in over a year the other day
[05:11] <gnomefreak> LjL: yeah i know :(
[05:11] <Dr_willis> gnomefreak,  yep. I find that abiword does what little wordprocessng i need.
[05:11] <gnomefreak> LjL: i normally use gb or uk if gb is down
[05:11] <LjL> i use se, it's faster than it.
[05:11] <Dr_willis> I did hand out Openoffice cd's to my friends at work who were wanting a decent wordprocessor.
[05:11] <LjL> for me, that is.
[05:12] <Hobbsee> just because it's not worth lagging behind, when uploading things.
[05:12] <LjL> gnomefreak: i think gb *is* archive.ubuntu.com... or at least, uhm, it used to be
[05:12] <gnomefreak> it is
[05:12] <LjL> some time ago, when the US mirrors were badly down, their DNS actually redirected to the se mirrors
[05:12] <Hobbsee> LjL: hasnt been for a while.
[05:12] <Dr_willis> !info o3read
[05:12] <ubotu> o3read: standalone converter for OpenOffice.org documents. In component main, is optional. Version 0.0.4-1 (gutsy), package size 14 kB, installed size 96 kB
[05:12] <Hobbsee> LjL: gb is ubuntu.datahop.it
[05:12] <gnomefreak> but i noticed archive.ubuntu.com is US if us is removed from sources
[05:13] <LjL> Hobbsee: ... excuse me? the british mirror is located in italy? =)
[05:13] <gnomefreak> or was
[05:13] <gnomefreak> i hope not
[05:13] <Hobbsee> LjL: as in, gb != a.u.c
[05:13] <gnomefreak> that would be weird
[05:13] <woodwizzle> I have a HDD with data on it. I'm not sure which filesystem it is. I need to put it in my fstab, but I'm not sure if it is ext3, reiserfs etc.
[05:13] <woodwizzle> how can I find out?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> LjL: or so ping tells me
[05:13] <LjL> Hobbsee: yeah, i got that, but at least i'd have figured it was *british*
[05:13] <penguin42> woodwizzle: You can say auto
[05:13] <Hobbsee> LjL: true
[05:13] <woodwizzle> penguin42: Yeah, thats how I've been doing it, out of fstab
[05:14] <LjL> Hobbsee: it's not the same network that provides it.archive.ubuntu.com, however
[05:14] <woodwizzle> penguin42: but I'm also kinda curious
[05:14] <LjL> datahop.it... first time i hear of them
[05:14] <penguin42> woodwizzle: You can put auto in the fstab itself
[05:14] <woodwizzle> penguin42: Is there a utility I can run to find out what fs it is?
[05:14] <darwin81> The touchpad on my laptop has a button to turn it off and on. When I use the button to turn it off then on again the Ubuntu Help Center comes up. This happened in Feisty too.
[05:14] <penguin42> woodwizzle: If you want to know which it is, then with it mounted I think if you type   mount    it should tell you
[05:14] <LjL> uhm, actually they *are* british, looking at the home page
[05:14] <LjL> suppose an .it domain costed less :P
[05:14] <woodwizzle> ok thanks
[05:14] <gnomefreak> hmmmmmm thats odd
[05:14] <Hobbsee> LjL: *nod*
[05:15] <penguin42> .uk domains don't cost much
[05:15] <gnomefreak> it seems disabling ESD doesnt help the error unless one of the updates reset it
[05:15] <LjL> anyway, everybody believes ".it" stands for information technology
[05:15] <LjL> which is why we always get tons of offtopic postings in English on the Usenet
[05:15] <gnomefreak> thats odd
[05:15] <cdm10> I'm noticing a really strange delay with any network activity in Gutsy.
[05:16] <cdm10> It pauses for about 10 seconds before it starts transferring data.
[05:16] <LjL> it concentrates.
[05:16] <Vorbote> You would have seen the uproar when some boofin tried to market our country ISO id commercially (I'm in .co).
[05:16] <Vorbote> s/boofin/boffin/
[05:16] <cdm10> So, if I go to any site, it'll stick for 10 seconds in the "Looking up bla.com" stage and then start loading it.
[05:17] <cdm10> This doesn't happen in Windows or Feisty.
[05:17] <LjL> cdm10: seems like a DNS issue
[05:17] <penguin42> cdm10: What happens if you try dig blah.com from a command line?
[05:17] <cdm10> penguin42: dig?
[05:17] <LjL> cdm10: what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf? do you have resolvconf running? did you have it running in feisty?
[05:17] <penguin42> cdm10: It does DNS lookups
[05:17] <cdm10> I had feisty running with defaults, and gutsy is as well.
[05:17] <Hobbsee> hm, didnt know about dig
[05:17] <gnomefreak> that might explain why i didnt see udev issue
[05:17] <cdm10> the problem is, it's now cached.
[05:18] <cdm10> can anyone think of a random site for me to use?
[05:18] <penguin42> Hobbsee: Very useful - it's like nslookup was years ago but more flexible - and it's only 3 characters :-)
[05:18] <LjL> google.com?
[05:18] <cdm10> Already been done today.
[05:18] <cdm10> It only delays once, seemingly.
[05:18] <cdm10> Actually, it seems to be pretty random.
[05:18] <LjL> cdm10: amiga.org
[05:18] <cdm10> ok.
[05:18] <LjL> aros.org
[05:18] <cdm10> instant response.
[05:18] <LjL> and if you want more Amiga-related spam, i'm here for you.
[05:19] <gnomefreak> cdm10: yes give me a sec
[05:19] <cdm10> but with Firefox, or APT, or anything else, I get a delay.
[05:19] <Vorbote> cdm10, as well, try using "mtr <target site>" See if there is a bottleneck somewhere in the route.
[05:19] <gnomefreak> http://spiralflog.com/
[05:19] <cdm10> Vorbote: it's with every site.
[05:19] <penguin42> cdm10: Are you using a proxy?
[05:19] <cdm10> penguin42: not unless one is enabled by default.
[05:19] <Vorbote> cdm10, if your ISP has a transparent proxy, mtr would allow you to discover it.
[05:19] <cdm10> I have to go now, but I'll be back in 5 minutes.
[05:20] <cdm10> Hmm, it seems to be getting caught at the router.
[05:20] <cdm10> Strange that Gutsy would have that problem but nothing else...
[05:20] <cdm10> i'll be back in 5...
[05:21] <penguin42> gutsy doesn't do anything like get more aggressive about ipv6 or the like does it?
[05:21] <branstrom> Hi guys. I'm running gutsy since a few days before the beta. Now, tracker is freezing whenever I use deskbar with either of the plugins (live or normal search) and start typing something
[05:22] <gnomefreak> branstrom: does it do it on a fresh boot?
[05:22] <branstrom> Yes. Rebooted twice.
[05:22] <branstrom> Hm, no.
[05:22] <branstrom> Now it works. The last reboot fixed it apparently.
[05:22] <LjL> they're evil
[05:23] <Dr_willis> im still not sure what    avahi   even is..or what its part of.
[05:23] <gnomefreak> reboots dont fix anything really but they are good at cleaning out memory
[05:24] <gnomefreak> Dr_willis: its garbage but needed garbage from what i understand hal and avahi are close to earchother
[05:24] <LjL> needed, bah
[05:24] <Dr_willis> i just rember seeing some 'eth0:avahi' and thinking.. i need to research that some day...
[05:24] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:24] <LjL> my computer runs fine without them
[05:24] <LjL> while it didn't with
[05:24] <LjL> oh, and i forgot network-manager.
[05:24] <gnomefreak> but not real sure what it does, i think its for hardware detection or soemthing lije that
[05:25] <Dr_willis> They part of the upnp stuff ? or what does avahi stand for anyway?
[05:25] <Dr_willis> upnp routers and so forth?
[05:26] <Vorbote> avahi is the OSS implementation of the Bounjour protocol (invented at the Fruit Company). Allows for network auto-configuration without a DNS nor a DHCP server in the neighborhood
[05:26] <LjL> also known as "why me?"
[05:26] <Dr_willis> so its like a distributed dhcp server? althe pcs have a say in it?
[05:27] <attunix> Where can I download the new "Elephant" wallpaper available in Gutsy? I'm on Feisty.
[05:28] <gnomefreak> its in gutsy already
[05:28] <penguin42> Dr_willis: Yeh something like that - the idea is that you can get a switch or a crossover cable and just glue a pile of machines together without having to have any servers
[05:28] <gnomefreak> one of them anyway
[05:29] <penguin42> it vaguely ensures they get unique IPs and I think names
[05:29] <gnomefreak> albert23: you can find them on wiki.ubuntu.com <search for gutsy> and look for artwork or art and its there
[05:29] <Vorbote> AFAIK, yes. It has its own network subclass assigened by IANA and everything. In theory, if a machine can't find a DHCP server that assigns it its network config, it broadcasts a Bounjour/Rendevouz packet and negotiates with the surrounding machines an IP in the Bounjour range. It can discover DNS servers in the LAN as well.
[05:29] <gnomefreak> the readish brown elephant is already in gutsy-wallpapares
[05:29] <LjL> penguin42: i crashed a Macintosh (i mean, another guy's Macintosh) once by setting the same IP as his on my machine...
[05:29] <LjL> i mean, of course that was entirely unintended
[05:29] <cdm10> Hi, I'm back.
[05:30] <attunix> gnomefreak: what do you mean?
[05:30] <Dr_willis> That reminds me.. do many mondern laptops support crossover 'detection' where one can put a normal cable from one to another, and haveit realize it its not a crossover cable. and 'enable' the crossover feature?
[05:30] <LjL> attunix: he means you can have more useless eyecandy that looks funny
[05:30] <Dr_willis> whats the right term.. 'auto senseing' ?
[05:30] <penguin42> Dr_willis: I believe it's a standard of GigE
[05:31] <Dr_willis> penguin42,  ahh.. cool.  too bad my laptop dont have GigE.
[05:31] <penguin42> ditto
[05:31] <LjL> too bad my laptop is not a laptop
[05:31] <Dr_willis> needign to find a little 'crossover' cable or adaptor for 2 laptops at work then.
[05:31] <gnomefreak> attunix: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GutsyIdeas?highlight=%28gutsy%29
[05:31] <penguin42> Yeh Avahi is a pain when you are trying to hunt network problems and keep unplugging the cable and avahi keeps fiddling
[05:31] <LjL> Dr_willis: build one. if you get one pre-built, it's 1 meter long and it costs you ten times as much
[05:32] <gnomefreak> attunix: the redish/brown eleiphant is already in default gutsy gnome
[05:32] <LjL> some places will happily cut the cable for you and crimp it for you
[05:32] <penguin42> we have an elephant?
[05:32] <Dr_willis> LjL,  i got one.. its just 30ft long.. :) and i broke off one of the plastic bits.. heh
[05:32] <attunix> gnomefreak: yeah, but I'm on Feisty :(
[05:32] <gnomefreak> penguin42: yes i didnt download it so im assuming it is default
[05:32] <Dr_willis> LjL,  id like to have some simple adaptor i can put between 2 cables.
[05:32] <gnomefreak> attunix: than you should be asking in #ubuntu not in here
[05:32] <LjL> Dr_willis: plus, if you get a crimping tool, you can easily build your own ethernet-to-mains "adaptor"
[05:32] <penguin42> Dr_willis: Yeh you can get little crossover boxes
[05:33] <Dr_willis> looking for bits and parts for my
[05:33] <attunix> gnomefreak: sorry; it's because it's a gutsy wallpaper so I thought here'd be alright :(
[05:33] <Dr_willis> 'pc toolbox' i am gathering up. :)
[05:33] <gnomefreak> attunix: its not a gutsy wallpaper its a proposed wallpaper for gutsy
[05:33] <attunix> oh
[05:33] <attunix> do you know where I can get it, though?
[05:33] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. is there a 'network switch' or hub that can run off of usb power? That would be handy.
[05:33] <attunix> Like apt-get ..... ?
[05:34] <gnomefreak> attunix: the wallpapers are pretty much same there added a few from the page i gave you but if you read the page it should explain that these are markups (how do you like my wallpaper for gutsy type thing)
[05:34] <gnomefreak> attunix: download it from the page i gave you
[05:35] <LjL> rats - yeah!
[05:35] <attunix> gnomefreak: the problem is that I want the copy without the logo
[05:35] <attunix> like in the beta
[05:35] <gnomefreak> attunix: than look on the g=page there should be ones without the logo
[05:36] <attunix> gnomefreak: where's the g= page?
[05:36] <Vorbote> attunix, as well you can go to packages.u.c and grab the source package there.
[05:36] <gnomefreak> attunix: scroll up in your irc lcient and look for the link i gave you
[05:37] <attunix> ok I'm there
[05:37] <attunix> gnomefreak: where's the g=?
[05:39] <gnomefreak> attunix: you looking at the page?
[05:39] <attunix> gnomefreak: yes
[05:39] <gnomefreak> attunix: look/scroll down the page until you find it and download it
[05:40] <attunix> but it's not there
[05:40] <gnomefreak> attunix: there is nothing hard about that. and i have way too much load on my pc to open links and search them
[05:40] <Dr_willis> friend at works wants a program like yakuake  - Only for gnome.. any reccomendations?
[05:40] <attunix> ok
[05:40] <Vorbote> Dr_willis, tilda
[05:40] <gnomefreak> attunix: than it was taken off the page (highly unlikely) than either get it from package.ubuntu.com or wait until you install gutsy (ask someone on gutsy to post it somewhere
[05:41] <Dr_willis> Vorbote,  ok. :) looking at the package managers.. i dident want to install/try themn ALL :) to find one that works decently
[05:41] <attunix> ok
[05:41] <Vorbote> Dr_willis, tilda is basically a neutered gnome-terminal, so it works mostly OK... :-P
[05:42] <martalli_> I am trying to figure out where my pilot is showing up to configure kpilot in gutsy kubuntu... in dmesg it merely says http://pastebin.ca/719724 but doesn't say what /dev link the device is on.  How can I check that?
[05:42] <Dr_willis> Vorbote,  heh..  Yea. once ya get used to those tools.. its hard to live without
[05:43] <Dr_willis> Doh... tilda aint liking the compiz stuff i think...
[05:44] <Dr_willis> it showed up once... then now its just all solid white. :)
[05:44] <Vorbote> :-(
[05:44] <Dr_willis> white on white. :)
[05:44] <Dr_willis> little hard to read the text that way
[05:45] <wers> I am having problems with the new Appearance Preferences App
[05:46] <wers> it is slow and the gui does not refresh
[05:46] <wers> before, I had no problems with it. might be because of an upgrade
[05:49] <redheat> hi everyone
[05:49] <redheat> just a quicky question,
[05:49] <redheat> I just installed gutsy, ubuntu 7.10, and I was wondering which nvidia drivers to use
[05:49] <Vorbote> Dr_willis, try yeahconsole (I've noever used it myself).
[05:49] <vishalrao> i know i asked this on the ubuntu channel, but, is it too late to send in some feedback on the beta, not bug reports, but suggestions more like it?
[05:49] <redheat> the one that came bundled with the distro or the nvidia drivers provided by nvidia
[05:49] <Dr_willis> Vorbote,  yea. that one works ok.. but setting the keyboard short cut is a bit awkward. :0
[05:50] <Dr_willis> you can configure it via xresources:
[05:50] <redheat> guys
[05:50] <redheat> anyone
[05:51] <redheat> I can install the others drivers in a second
[05:51] <redheat> other*
[05:51] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. with the compiz stuff..be nice to see some embeded term ya could bringup easy.
[05:51] <Dr_willis> redheat,  i run the restricted-manager tool and check 'use the nvidia drivers'
[05:51] <Dr_willis> takes me.. 2 sec.. :) well theres the download it does also.
[05:52] <Dr_willis> takes me less time to do it.. then it took you to ask about it. :)
[05:52] <redheat> you mean, you want me, if I want to use the other drives,, to uncheck the nvidia drivers part
[05:52] <redheat> and then install the other ones..
[05:52] <Dr_willis> what other ones?
[05:52] <redheat> I also got the restricted manager tool
[05:52] <Dr_willis> Its best to use the nvidia drivers from the reposiutories.. dont use the ones from the nvidia web site.
[05:53] <redheat> the drivers provided by Nvidia
[05:53] <redheat> not the glx-new ones provided by Ubuntu
[05:53] <redheat> to show you what I mean, this is my post on ubuntuforums.org
[05:53] <Dr_willis> using the nvidia ones fromt heir site.. can cause issues..  and can be  pain to trouble shoot.
[05:54] <redheat> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=497284&highlight=redheat
[05:54] <Dr_willis> On a new install. i run restricted-manger, click the enable nvidia, it then downloads the rght packages from the repositories. i reboot. and thats all i do.
[05:54] <redheat> no no..it is so easy..a breeze actually
[05:54] <Dr_willis> Using the 'latest from the nvidia web site' can cause some issues with upgrading later.
[05:54] <redheat> I do that all the time, only the last time I was running it on Feisty Fawn not gutsy gibbon
[05:54] <redheat> and they still worked like a charm
[05:55] <redheat> Dr_willis, did you get that URL?
[05:55] <platius> unable to find which app I need to execute the codecs-gnome.ymp from the 10.3 restricted formats page, I am using 10.3_64
[05:56] <Dr_willis> redheat,  i dident say they WONT work..im saying they can cause problems later. IF you use them.
[05:56] <redheat> absolutley not..they never did, at least for me, they never did
[05:56] <redheat> especially if you followed that way
[05:56] <Dr_willis> redheat,  and i can point out a dozen peopel a week - that have huge problems doing it that way.
[05:57] <redheat> I tried the one by Tseliot
[05:57] <redheat> it sucks
[05:57] <redheat> still
[05:57] <redheat> anyway,
[05:57] <Dr_willis> of course I stick with whats in the repos.. so.. what was the original question anyway? i missed it.
[05:57] <redheat> where did beryl go?
[05:57] <redheat> its called compizfusion now, right?
[05:57] <cdm10> redheat: yes
[05:57] <Dr_willis> yep
[05:57] <redheat> how do I start it ?
[05:57] <cdm10> redheat: it's built in
[05:58] <cdm10> redheat: go to System>Preferences>Appearance
[05:58] <cdm10> redheat: it's in the visual effects tab.
[05:58] <cdm10> redheat: if you want an advanced configuration thingy, do < sudo aptitude install compizconfig-settings-manager >
[05:59] <redheat> that's what I was looking for
[05:59] <redheat> oh one more thing, just commenting on what Dr_willis said..
[05:59] <savvas> LjL: i upgraded fine, the next "wave" of upgrades was ok :)
[05:59] <Dr_willis> i wonder if theres a compiz faq factoid allready out? :)
[05:59] <redheat> where's that part of the settings configuration that controls the Anti Aliasig, and Anistropic FIltering
[05:59] <redheat> don't see that anywhere
[05:59] <Lilacor> is there any way I can get movies to not fuzz up while compiz fusion is on?
[06:00] <Dr_willis> Lilacor,  hmm.. not noticed that.. let me see..
[06:00] <Dr_willis> oh wait i need the video codecs first. heh :)
[06:00] <savvas> Lilacor: graphics card?
[06:00] <Dr_willis> the list of 'things to do on a clean install' gets longer for me every time
[06:00] <Lilacor> nvidia
[06:00] <savvas> i have nvidia nx7300gt and the movies are ok
[06:01] <Lilacor> if I play movies without desktop effects, it's fine
[06:01] <savvas> did you install the restricted driver?
[06:01] <Lilacor> if I turn on desktop effects and run vmware/play movies....everything goes wacky
[06:01] <Lilacor> yes
[06:01] <redheat> anyhow, gonna try my luck with the Nvidia drivers..
[06:01] <redheat> cdm10, Dr_willis..thank you so much for your help
[06:02] <ratpoison> hello! using gutsy amd64 I have encountered some problems with packages udev and volumeid http://pastebin.com/m7d270735
[06:02] <redheat> thank you guys and take care
[06:02] <savvas> ratpoison: try upgrade again
[06:03] <Lilacor> I find it hard to believe that nobody else gets a fuzzy screen of crap when playing movies under compiz fusion
[06:03] <Daisuke-Laptop> Lilacor: no, just you :P
[06:03] <ratpoison> savvas: same output. btw are you greek? (in case you're not savvas is a greek name)
[06:03] <savvas> i am :)
[06:03] <savvas> cypriot actually
[06:03] <savvas> ratpoison: gksu gedit /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst
[06:04] <savvas> on line 56 press enter and add: ;;
[06:04] <MattUK> what date is the final release of Gutsy expected?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> MattUK: see the release schedule in teh topic
[06:04] <savvas> ratpoison: forgot to mention, ctrl-I jumps to the line you want
[06:05] <MattUK> Oh thanks, I couldnt see the topic on this client
[06:05] <ratpoison> I'm greek, but let's use the english in the channel.
[06:05] <MattUK> Greek? Off-topic but Im going to Greece soon
[06:05] <MattUK> Hobbsee: thanks
[06:06] <savvas> good luck heh
[06:06] <ratpoison> MattUK, if you got any questions I can answer, come prvt
[06:06] <ratpoison> savvas: all fixed, many thnx
[06:07] <savvas> kanena provlima :)
[06:08] <Dr_willis> Lilacor,  i dont see any issues here.
[06:08] <savvas> Lilacor: did you restart after enabling the visual effects?
[06:08] <Lilacor> savvas: no sir.
[06:09] <MattUK> ratpoison: done
[06:09] <savvas> Lilacor: which graphics card do you have? can you restart and see if that fixes it?
[06:09] <kadakas> after upgrading to 7.10 the resolution is all messed up
[06:10] <Lilacor>  G72M [Quadro NVS 110M/GeForce Go 7300] 
[06:10] <kadakas> my laptops screen is 1680x1050, but when i choose this resolution in xorg.conf, the screen does not fit in my laptops screen
[06:10] <Lilacor> savvas: yes, I'll try that right now
[06:10] <kadakas> although the resolution is correct
[06:10] <vishalrao> im unable to find/install the w32codecs to play an AAC online radio stream... i installed vlcplayer and tried a search on synaptic, no go... are the packages still in flux until final release?
[06:11] <eeanm> vishalrao: you have multiverse and everything?
[06:11] <savvas> kadakas: try system > admin > screens and graphics
[06:11] <kadakas> ok
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Woa awsome.. whenya alt-tab or Super-Tab. for the task switcher.. the video stillplays inside the 'mini-window-taskswitcher' thing. :)
[06:11] <vishalrao> eeanm: yup looks like i do
[06:11] <eeanm> vishalrao: well I just upgraded, I have w32codecs installed
[06:11] <Dr_willis> Video Playback seems find here. Nvidia 8800
[06:12] <eeanm> any idea why digikam is being "held back" from upgrade?
[06:12] <vishalrao> doh, eeanm: what mirror/server are you using as your source?
[06:12] <eeanm> a local mirror
[06:12] <vishalrao> can you paste the actual hostname and whether its http or ftp?
[06:12] <vishalrao> i tried a couple of mirrors, no luck
[06:12] <eeanm> it would be really slow for you, our university has crap internet. but it just syncs with the main server every night
[06:12] <savvas> eeanm: try sudo apt-get install -f && sudo apt-get install digikam
[06:13] <Dr_willis> apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:13] <Dr_willis> perhaps?
[06:13] <vishalrao> hmmm, i already tried main, anyways its not important, will try again tomorrow :)
[06:13] <Dr_willis> im not sure when one should use 'dist-upgrade' really. :)
[06:13] <eeanm> savvas: heh well apt-get install digikam appears to have worked
[06:13] <Lilacor> awww man! this window's bar wobbled above the top and I can't reach it!
[06:13] <Lilacor> grrr
[06:13] <Daisuke-Laptop> i found an upgrade and then a dist upgrade worked best for me
[06:14] <Daisuke-Laptop> Lilacor: holt alt and drag the window
[06:14] <savvas> eeanm: sometimes when there are a lot of upgrades, you upgrade first and then try again the packages that are held back
[06:14] <Daisuke-Laptop> hold*
[06:14] <Dr_willis> that alt-drag feature is SOOOO handy. :)
[06:14] <Lilacor> Daisuke-Laptop: whew! now *THAT'S* a command handy to remember - thanks!
[06:14] <Daisuke-Laptop> you're welcome
[06:14] <Daisuke-Laptop> and it is handy :D
[06:15] <Dr_willis> thats like been in X for... ages hasent it?
[06:15] <savvas> you should try the fire writing :)
[06:15] <Dr_willis> Or is that actually window manager specific.
[06:15] <savvas> I use it for a "Don't touch" message while I'm away :P
[06:16] <Dr_willis> we were showing off the compiz stuff last night at work.
[06:16] <Dr_willis> woobly windows, exploding windows. water effects...
[06:16] <Dr_willis> it willbe scary - a year fromnow - there will be sooooo much silly eye candy out..
[06:16] <xero9364> lol
[06:16] <xero9364> not just silly
[06:16] <xero9364> holographic
[06:16] <xero9364> like the window is pwning your face when it explodes
[06:17] <Vorbote> vishalrao, there are no AAC streams that gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse hasn't reproduced for me yet.
[06:17] <savvas> Dr_willis: I hope you gave them some cds for the road :)
[06:17] <Dr_willis> floating cubes as dock spaces.. with video playing on them as you watch.
[06:17] <Lilacor> okay, I don't know what happened yesterday but *NOW* it's working fine!! >_<;; double grrr!
[06:17] <Dr_willis> when are we going to get icons that are actual movies... :)
[06:19] <savvas> hm..
[06:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> now *that* has a large number of uses...
[06:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> >_>
[06:19] <savvas> what's this message: ldconfig deferred processing now taking place ?
[06:19] <Lilacor> isn't there a way to have moving backgrounds?
[06:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> Lilacor: in enlightenment, yes
[06:19] <savvas> happens every time an install/upgrade is done
[06:19] <Dr_willis> icon.avi in every folder.. for  videos :)
[06:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> anywhere else, i don't thing so...  yet...
[06:20] <Dr_willis> yea enlightment has some scripting thang that lets ya do animated  backgrounds
[06:20] <Dr_willis> we got that water drip effect. but not quite the same
[06:20] <eeanm> is there documentation of this new audit thing in dmesg?
[06:20] <eeanm> [ 1622.256000]  audit(1191082768.875:33):  type=1503 operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="rw" denied_mask="rw" name="/dev/tty" pid=9673 profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd"
[06:20] <Dr_willis> I want a nice pretty  Aquarium in the background. :)
[06:20] <RAdams> has anyone else noticed gParted crashes almost constantly on the Gusty Live CD?
[06:20] <eeanm> what does that mean :)
[06:21] <Dr_willis> RAdams,  cant say that ive seen it crash onme - in the 3 installs ive done.
[06:21] <Dr_willis> but all i did was delete some partitions
[06:21] <savvas> RAdams: what are you trying to do? :)
[06:21] <penguin42> eeanm: I think that is apparmor
[06:21] <vishalrao> speaking of crashes, anyone seen ekiga softphone crash upon startup everytime?
[06:22] <bonj> hi, got a question with the lpd printing...
[06:22] <savvas> RAdams: you have the gutsy beta right?
[06:22] <Daisuke-Laptop> i do like that it dropped the ring switcher in favor of the shift thing
[06:22] <RAdams> dr_willis: it crashes everytime I delete partitions, then try to make a new one, also crashes everytime it finishes ANYTHING, though it does do it correctly
[06:22] <Daisuke-Laptop> pretty groovy
[06:22] <RAdams> savvas: yes
[06:22] <eeanm> penguin42: my printer isn't working (didn't work in feisty either) so I'm thinking this info might be relevant :)
[06:22] <Daisuke-Laptop> it = compiz fusion
[06:22] <savvas> RAdams: dell laptop?
[06:22] <RAdams> savvas: no
[06:23] <savvas> weird
[06:23] <Daisuke-Laptop> sounds like the issues i've been having with ktorrent on the desktop
[06:23] <bonj> lolz... mine printed send the job, but after that it will says lpr spooling 93% or 97% completed
[06:23] <Lilacor> How do I take advantage of the new virtualization features in this kernel?
[06:23] <savvas> try with another partition manager
[06:23] <Daisuke-Laptop> it crashes whenever i add or remove a torrent :(
[06:23] <savvas> qtparted or.. i dunno :\
[06:23] <Daisuke-Laptop> make sure you have hardware virtualization
[06:23] <savvas> Daisuke-Laptop: try deluge-torrent :)
[06:24] <Lilacor> Daisuke-Laptop: I do.
[06:24] <Daisuke-Laptop> then you can use virtualbox in seamless mode with nearly any guest OS
[06:24] <Daisuke-Laptop> savvas: does it properly respect the private flag, and report correctly?
[06:24] <Lilacor> I'm more interested in KVM at the moment and was wondering if I needed to change any features to take advantage of this new feature
[06:25] <bonj> thanks
[06:27] <Daisuke-Laptop> mmmkay, deluge is allowed on the tracker i'm most concerned about.
[06:27] <savvas> Daisuke-Laptop: what flag? :\ don't know anything about flags, all i know is that it works
[06:27] <eeanm> is there a GUI for App Armor?
[06:28] <Dr_willis> i saw that gutsy has app-armor but not sure what it is. :)
[06:28] <Dr_willis> !info app-armor
[06:28] <ubotu> Package app-armor does not exist in gutsy
[06:28] <Dr_willis> !find armor
[06:28] <ubotu> Found: apparmor, apparmor-utils, libapparmor-dev, libapparmor1, linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-12-386 (and 8 others)
[06:28] <Dr_willis> !info apparmor
[06:28] <Dr_willis> i wonder whats in apparmor-utils :)
[06:28] <ubotu> apparmor: User-space parser utility for AppArmor. In component main, is standard. Version 2.1+993-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 306 kB, installed size 2056 kB
[06:29] <penguin42> Dr_willis: It's a layer that allows for a particular program to restirct what it is allowed to do - much finer grain than unix permisisons
[06:29] <Dr_willis> penguin42,  cool.. no idea why I personally would use it..:) but still...
[06:29] <Dr_willis> I rember seeing it mentioned on some other disrtos befor.
[06:29] <penguin42> Dr_willis: e.g. I think you could restrict which files your webbrowser can read or write so even if there is a hole in the browser it can't do as much harm
[06:30] <savvas> I remember seeing apparmor mentioned in the logs.. brb
[06:31] <Dr_willis> Lunch time.. bbl
[06:31] <penguin42> it looks by default only cupsd has any restrictions loaded
[06:31] <vishalrao> Lilacor asked about KVM, Im interested too whether gutsy will have KVM and virt-manager etc... ?
[06:31] <Lilacor> kvm is available in feisty
[06:32] <vishalrao> for feisty some forum posts seem to indicate virt-manager is not packaged? will it be for gutsy?
[06:32] <Lilacor> gutsy has kvm also but I want to make sure I'm using the new virtualization layer
[06:32] <vishalrao> Lilacor: what is the "new" virt layer?
[06:34] <penguin42> kvm is cute, but I think you do need VT in your processor, xen lets you do stuff without that
[06:34] <Lilacor> http://lwn.net/Articles/175706/
[06:35] <Lilacor> http://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/suse_linux_enterprise_server_with_virtualization_interface
[06:35] <vishalrao> oh is that VMI a hypervisor? what if we want regular full-virt to simply run a guest os? that will still work, right?
[06:36] <vishalrao> i mean, for unmodified guests...
[06:37] <Lilacor> vishalrao: I'm pretty sure it's _not_ a hypervisor...it's a common interface for all virtualization software to use... it's to clean up the various implementations and how they interact with the linux kernel
[06:38] <vishalrao> ok :)
[06:47] <branstrom> How do I get some pixels of padding between icons on my Gnome panel?
[06:51] <branstrom> Like "Applet Padding" at the bottom of this document: http://www.collaborium.org/onsite/jos2000/related/guides/gnome/confglobal.html
[06:51] <branstrom> I can't find it anywhere...
[07:02] <mrtimdog> What's the official way of applying a ubuntu patch onto a source tree? The source tree being for alsa-driver.
[07:05] <gnomefreak> !packaging | mrtimdog
[07:05] <ubotu> mrtimdog: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[07:06] <mrtimdog> Thanks gnomefreak.
[07:06] <gnomefreak> yw
[07:06] <gnomefreak> mrtimdog: best place to ask in #ubuntu-motu for packagiing questions
[07:06] <mrtimdog> Ok, not visited there as yet.
[07:11] <penguin42> 2nd X crash of the dya
[07:19] <Skiessi> :/ flash player doesn't care about mouse clicks when compiz-fusion is enabled
[07:19] <Skiessi> "Disable Flash."
[07:20] <Puaff> please, does anyone know when will be available the vmware kernel package?
[07:20] <Puaff> vmware module kernel package, I meant
[07:27] <TQuid> Oi folks.
[07:28] <TQuid> So, I increased my gnome desktops to four, and now when I switch to other than the first one, I lose my top & bottom bars, and am thus stuck. Is there a default screen-switching key combo.?
[07:28] <TQuid> And is that a known bug?
[07:28] <penguin42> TQuid: I think I once saw that ages ago - but are you using compiz, and how are you switching desktops?
[07:29] <TQuid> using compiz, yes, and just using the little mini-screen in the lower-right corner to switch--the default method, afaik.
[07:29] <TQuid> (I've actually been trying to figure how to set edge sensitivity and haven't found it so far. Just finding how to increase # of desktops was a pain in the patookus--that really ought to be in the context menu of the little map.)
[07:30] <TQuid> Hm, guess I'll kill the X session, now, as my download seems to be done. *grumble*
[07:31] <TQuid> Hm, I bet it's cause I had the pager show the desktops in a square.
[07:31] <TQuid> I'll test that presently.
[07:32] <penguin42> TQuid: That little mini square (desktop switcher) doesn't really play well with compiz
[07:32] <TQuid> Hm, no repeat of that behaviour now, though I do lose the desktop shortcuts.
[07:33] <TQuid> What's the recommended switcher?
[07:33] <penguin42> With compiz ctrl-alt-left/right seem to work OK and you can ctrl-alt-down to get a strip where you can flick through; personally I just turn off compiz
[07:33] <penguin42> and I get a nice 3x3 desktop set
[07:33] <TQuid> I tried ctl-alt-<arrow> when i was stuck & it didn't seem to work.
[07:34] <TQuid> Let me make sure I understand, isn't compiz where you get all the fine-grained control over animations &c.?
[07:34] <richard> howdy, I'm trying to get my synaptics touchpad workin in the lovely gutsy gibbon
[07:34] <kRush> you shouldn't set the number of desktops in gnome when using compiz afaik
[07:35] <TQuid> Hrm.
[07:35] <kRush> there are options in compiz that behave better
[07:35] <TQuid> I did use compiz.
[07:36] <TQuid> It was under "advanced settings" (whatever it's called on the menu--it's compiz) and the General button, and the desktops tab. That is compiz, yes?
[07:37] <kRush> I misunderstood your previous statement then
[07:38] <TQuid> Hm, but I see here there is a separate "desktop plane" option.
[07:38] <TQuid> And that has the ctl-alt-arrow shortcuts, and is *not* enabled. So I'm better off leaving it at one desktop in general and enabling the plane?
[07:40] <TQuid> No, wait, now it says use desktop wall . . . yeesh.
[07:45] <TQuid> Hm, weird.
[07:50] <ray_> hi any one good with helix here
[07:50] <ray_> ?
[07:50] <ray_> any one here
[07:51] <ray_> hi jacob
[07:52] <ray_> k
[07:52] <ray_> jacob any good with helix player
[07:52] <Pumpernickel> !anyone
[07:52] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[07:53] <Jacob> ray_: other than using it once ;)
[07:53] <ray_> jacob cant seem to get it going with firefox
[07:53] <ray_> what i do
[07:54] <Jacob> hmmm... i don't think i know; haven't tried the plugin
[07:57] <ray_> any good with helix player?
[08:00] <penguin42> does anyone else have a read-edid package?
[08:00] <ray_> penguin you any good with helix player
[08:01] <penguin42> sorry, no - I tend to use gmplayer with realplayer streams
[08:01] <penguin42> I don't think I've ever had helix work on here
[08:01] <ray_> penguin how i remove a helix player if installed from real page and use this one
[08:01] <ray_> how do i
[08:02] <penguin42> Is this the helix plugin - how did you install it exactly?
[08:02] <ray_> penguin42 i did this one https://player.helixcommunity.org/2007/releases/hx1gold/HX1_0_9ReleaseNotes.html#install
[08:02] <ray_> how i get ride of it
[08:03] <penguin42> did you install as root or your normal user?
[08:03] <ray_> normal user
[08:03] <penguin42> ok, so do an ls -l of ~/.mozilla/plugins
[08:04] <ray_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 ray ray 48 2007-09-29 12:29 nphelix.so -> /home/ray/Desktop/HelixPlayer/mozilla/nphelix.so
[08:04] <ray_> lrwxrwxrwx 1 ray ray 49 2007-09-29 12:29 nphelix.xpt -> /home/ray/Desktop/HelixPlayer/mozilla/nphelix.xpt
[08:04] <penguin42> ok
[08:04] <ray_> thats what i get how i get ride of it so i can install yours
[08:04] <penguin42> so move those nphelix.so and nphelix.xpt soemwhere else and restart your firefox
[08:05] <ray_> how do i do this never did this im new to 7.10
[08:05] <ray_> i want to delet it
[08:05] <ray_> and get helix off my system for good
[08:05] <ray_> and install yours
[08:06] <penguin42> so just use mv   to move those two files into a temporary directroy somewhere else or just delete them
[08:06] <ray_> penguin42 hope can help
[08:06] <ray_> penguin42 but how do i i never did this in this build
[08:06] <ray_> penguin42 can you walk me throw it
[08:06] <penguin42> It's the same as all unixes - just do   rm ~/.mozilla/plugins/nphelix.so
[08:06] <penguin42> and the same for .xpt
[08:07] <penguin42> that should remove the helix stuff from mozilla
[08:07] <pvandewyngaerde> how do i change the kubuntu splash screen to the gutsy one ?
[08:08] <gnomefreak> the usplash and i guess you mean from kubuntu to ubuntu?
[08:09] <gnomefreak> if you installed kubuntu in gutsy it is a gutsy usplash
[08:09] <ray_> penguin42  what can i use for real fopormate i saw it put helix in my trash
[08:10] <gnomefreak> if using feisty dont make it gutsys just wait until you install it
[08:10] <penguin42> ray_: Sorry, I don't understand that question
[08:10] <ray_> hold on
[08:12] <ray_> penguin42 what player can i use to play back real player files
[08:13] <ray_> ?
[08:14] <ray_> penguin42 still with me
[08:14] <penguin42> IF you are on a 32 bit machine then the binary RealPlayer should work; I also find that gmplayer works, you can also try 'kaffeine' from KDE
[08:14] <ray_> i have theat im in ubuntu 7.10 for dell lqaptop
[08:14] <ray_> e1505
[08:14] <penguin42> but if you can get Real's realplayer to work I would try to stick with that; but I've not got realplayer to work on 64 bit
[08:17] <isthatall> is there any compelling reason to upgrade to gutsy like today? are things pretty stabilized now?
[08:18] <d1006> it's a beta so no unless something doesn't work for you in fesity and you've heard it's fixed in gutsy
[08:18] <gnomefreak> isthatall: upgrade is broken
[08:18] <isthatall> lol, that answers that
[08:19] <gnomefreak> isthatall: clean install is fine some issues here and there but it is beta
[08:19] <isthatall> I'll just wait then, thanks
[08:19] <d1006> Since when is 'upgrade broken'? ^_^
[08:20] <gnomefreak> d1006: about 5 days ago it started
[08:21] <d1006> People on forums seem to be upgrading... maybe there should be a warning... breaking upgrade just as beta starts seems pretty insane
[08:21] <nanonyme> how broken?
[08:21] <nanonyme> you mean aptitude dist-upgrade doesn't work?
[08:21] <afief> My intel sound card is not working on Gutsy, is this a known problem?
[08:22] <thegrover> it's been 50/50 for me - my amd64 machine didn't take well to it, but my 32-bit machine worked fine
[08:22] <DanaG> Hmm, have any of you used apt-zeroconf?  I've installed it, but without anybody else around, it's useless.
[08:22] <gnomefreak> nanonyme: no i mean update-manager works less than 30% of time and adept --version-upgrade is all kids of borked
[08:22] <DanaG> And the originator's domain has now been squatted, as of yesterday or today.
[08:22] <gnomefreak> nanonyme: doing it manualy is not the best idea atm either
[08:22] <nanonyme> gnomefreak, well, i did just that
[08:22] <nanonyme> when i upgraded
[08:23] <gnomefreak> nanonyme: if update-manager cant resolve conflicts you may run in to issues with it.
[08:23] <gnomefreak> nanonyme: i didnt say for everyone
[08:23] <gnomefreak> i spent 4+ hours with another user helping someone with a borked upgrade this morning.
[08:23] <nanonyme> aptitude dist-upgrade <3
[08:23] <d1006> not to argue but uh saying it's 'broken' seems to suggest it wont work for anyone ^_^
[08:23] <gnomefreak> when it takes 4 hours to fix its broken
[08:24] <nanonyme> it even gives alternatives on how to fix the problem :)
[08:24] <gnomefreak> aptitude didnt work
[08:24] <gnomefreak> nanonyme: not always safe
[08:24] <nanonyme> yeah, i suppose not
[08:24] <gnomefreak> d1006: i gave a % if you re read it
[08:24] <nanonyme> had to intentionally break my system a bit to get it back together
[08:24] <gnomefreak> d1006: and next time i will say yes upgrade works fine for 3 users are you the 4th?
[08:25] <d1006> you mentioned the % later actually, rather than 'it's broken for 70%'
[08:25] <gnomefreak> d1006: easier to tell people its broken for most as i cant predict who it will break for
[08:26] <nikolam> Hello Beta Xubuntu wont upgrade properly.
[08:26] <gnomefreak> saying it is broke is best
[08:26] <nikolam> tried even comman line update and upgrade
[08:26] <gnomefreak> they can try all they want after words its advice and nothiing more
[08:26] <nikolam> I did clean install of beta
[08:26] <d1006> 'upgrading seems broken for most/etc' is quite different from 'upgrade is broken' imo ^_^
[08:27] <gnomefreak> d1006: adept --version-upgrade is BROKEN FOR EVERYONE
[08:27] <d1006> nikolam: what's the error?
[08:27] <gnomefreak> update-manager if over 50% broken its broken
[08:27] <nikolam> just a sec.
[08:27] <Daisuke-Laptop> bleh, tons of openoffice help in tons of languages i don't use :\
[08:27] <gnomefreak> d1006: he cleaned installed to fix it
[08:27] <Daisuke-Laptop> been updating for hours now
[08:27] <nikolam> A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.
[08:27] <nikolam> Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the following error message:
[08:27] <nikolam> 'E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.'
[08:28] <d1006> well you didn't say 'adept --version blah' you said 'upgrade is broken' so lets leave it there ^_^
[08:28] <gnomefreak> nikolam: its known about already
[08:28] <gnomefreak> d1006: please re read i gave examples from both
[08:28] <nikolam> So ok. I just wait till tommorow?.
[08:28] <gnomefreak> nikolam: the maintianer for update-manager is of fhte weekends expect it fixed in a week or so
[08:29] <d1006> nikolam: the problem only appeared for a short time for me and then left
[08:29] <nikolam> I suppose this wont harm testing process. I am using beta on testin partition, anyway.
[08:29] <d1006> nikolam: though i don't remember what i did
[08:29] <d1006> nikolam: perhaps a partial upgrade or something of the sort
[08:30] <gnomefreak> d1006: dist-upgrade by hand its the OO.o packages that are held back with upgrade
[08:30] <nikolam> No upgade helped. I ll just wait and update daily. or I might re-install tribe5 and update?
[08:30] <gnomefreak> it will remove some locales and install the OO.o upgrades
[08:30] <defcon> any way to report a bug on launchpad that only effects Gutsy
[08:30] <defcon> or make sure a bug gets to the gutsy bug list
[08:31] <gnomefreak> that was this mornings problem mvo has to fx it in update-manager it did this in feisty and edgy and dapper as well
[08:31] <nikolam> At my present level of experience, I can yous wait for fix and report some bug in UI thats all..
[08:31] <gnomefreak> nikolam: drop to a terminal and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:31] <gnomefreak> nikolam: should fix it
[08:31] <nikolam> I already tried it.
[08:31] <gnomefreak> nikolam: and the error was?
[08:32] <nikolam> a sec.
[08:32] <gnomefreak> nikolam: i need pakcages here since ther eis a udev issue as well but OO.o was most popular today
[08:32] <DanaG> Wow, the Ubuntu US mirror is slow.
[08:32] <DanaG> Glad I use mirrors.kernel.org also.
[08:32] <gnomefreak> d1006: also not up to date
[08:32] <gnomefreak> oops
[08:32] <d1006> defcon: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy
[08:32] <gnomefreak> DanaG: not up to date either
[08:32] <nikolam>  xserver-xorg-input-all: Depends: xserver-xorg-input-   ** everything *** but it is not going to be installed
[08:32] <DanaG> I use both, though:
[08:33] <unggnu> Does anyone have still a menu entry to HP-Toolbox under Preferences?
[08:33] <DanaG> My sources.list has kernel.org above the official, so if it IS up to date on a package, it'll use that source.
[08:33] <gnomefreak> nikolam: sudo apt-get -f install? what did that give you (dont list package with that command)
[08:33] <defcon> d1006, how do I add an existing bug to /ubuntu/gutsy
[08:33] <gnomefreak> !bugs
[08:33] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[08:34] <nikolam> E: Invalid operation instal
[08:34] <gnomefreak> defcon: goit o first link and file a bug
[08:34] <gnomefreak> nikolam: install
[08:34] <gnomefreak> nikolam: you typoed it
[08:34] <d1006> defcon: be sure to check for duplicates first ^_^
[08:34] <pvandewyngaerde> how do i get this splash in KDE  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ksplash.png  ? i still have the edgy one
[08:34] <nikolam> gnomefreak: should I copy/paste to you on private?
[08:34] <gnomefreak> nikolam: use pastebin
[08:35] <gnomefreak> !pastebin | nikolam
[08:35] <ubotu> nikolam: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:35] <gnomefreak> nikolam: i said use patebin
[08:36] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39043/
[08:36] <d1006> hehe :P
[08:37] <d1006> nikolam: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst
[08:37] <d1006> add @ line 56 ;;
[08:38] <d1006> after line 55's 'continue'
[08:38] <d1006> then retry
[08:40] <gnomefreak> its old packages
[08:40] <gnomefreak> run sudo apt-get update after saving the changes in the file
[08:40] <gnomefreak> we are on ubuntu14 for udev and volumeid they were fixed today and broken this morning
[08:40] <nikolam> I have contiue in line 55
[08:41] <isthatall> penguin42: @later tell NICK blah blah
[08:41] <d1006> nikolam: make a new line after continue and make it ;;
[08:41] <d1006> so the format is the same as the surrounding code...
[08:41] <penguin42> isthatall: Huh? Oh - I mean on the screen lock now there is a button that says 'leave a message'
[08:42] <nikolam> aahhh. :) ok added.
[08:42] <gnomefreak> penguin42: screensaver lock?
[08:42] <d1006> you should be 'fixed' then to update/upgrade
[08:42] <penguin42> gnomefreak: but what displays the messages later?
[08:42] <nikolam> i will try momentarily. :)
[08:43] <gnomefreak> penguin42: i dont know is that what you are talking about though?
[08:43] <gnomefreak> penguin42: if it is i can find out i hope :)
[08:43] <penguin42> gnomefreak: You using GNOME?  do a lockscreen and look at the left most button
[08:44] <rukuartic> Hum... I really have nowhere to put this but here... When I'm ssh-ing into my ubuntu-server box (7.10 beta) there's a good delay that shouldn't quite be there... removed ipv6 module (which seemed to be causing a little bit of trouble with name resolution etc--but not the problem, the lag existed with ipv6 as well)
[08:44] <gnomefreak> penguin42: its just a little bubble added to the code
[08:44] <gnomefreak> it shows up in lower right hand screen
[08:44] <penguin42> rukartic: Can you reverse resolve the IP of the thing you are sshing from?
[08:44] <AV1611> greeting! is it a place where I can paste a bug report (besides its usual place)?
[08:45] <gnomefreak> penguin42: same thing they use for updates bubble restart bubble
[08:46] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Hmm OK, I guess it's gnome-screensaver then
[08:46] <nikolam> update and upgrade was fine. dist-upgrade dont work , still.
[08:46] <gnomefreak> AV1611: bug reports get filied on bugs/launchpad/net
[08:46] <gnomefreak> nikolam: same package failing on?
[08:46] <rukuartic> penguin42: Hold on
[08:47] <penguin42> gnomefreak: I noticed if you put some text in there it doesn't get passed through
[08:47] <gnomefreak> bugs.launchpad.net even
[08:47] <gnomefreak> penguin42: did for me
[08:47] <rukuartic> penguin42: You think its trying to resolve it?
[08:47] <penguin42> rukuartic: Yes
[08:47] <rukuartic> penguin42: Yea I can (dig 192.168.1.103 ran quickly)
[08:47] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39046/
[08:48] <gnomefreak> nikolam: sudo apt-get -f install
[08:48] <gnomefreak> what doe sit tell you
[08:48] <penguin42> rukuartic: Try dig -x 192.168.1.103
[08:48] <gnomefreak> does it
[08:48] <rukuartic> query time 6 ms
[08:48] <rukuartic> completes
[08:49] <gnomefreak> nikolam: you are still in update-manager or only terminal?
[08:49] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39047/
[08:49] <penguin42> gnomefreak: OK, it looks like it got fixed in the updates I pulled in today
[08:49] <nikolam> terminal update manager closed. Should i?
[08:49] <gnomefreak> nikolam: close update-manager if it is open
[08:49] <gnomefreak> leave terminal open
[08:49] <nikolam> closed
[08:49] <rukuartic> penguin42: What else do you think could be causing the issue? I'm on the same network as it..
[08:50] <gnomefreak> ok you have terminal ready?
[08:50] <nikolam> yup
[08:50] <gnomefreak> nikolam: sudo aptitude upgrade
[08:50] <gnomefreak> nikolam: paste me any failures with the command to pastebin
[08:50] <nikolam> ok
[08:50] <gnomefreak> ill be right back
[08:50] <albert23> rukuartic: from what system do you run ssh? Is it Feisty?
[08:51] <penguin42> rukuartic: It might be worth running a tcpdump on the server to see if you can see what happens during an ssh - other than a reverse resolve the only other thing I can think is if it's trying to connect to the identd port
[08:51] <nikolam> I see no errors http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39048/
[08:52] <rukuartic> albert23: Yeah, 7.04
[08:53] <rukuartic> penguin42: Oh. I am running inetd, but I'm not running ssh as an inetd service.
[08:53] <albert23> rukuartic: I had that problem from Feisty when avahi was running
[08:53] <penguin42> rukuartic: i*d*entd not inetd
[08:53] <gnomefreak> nikolam: ok try sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[08:54] <penguin42> ah - if it's avahi related I'll just hold my flippers up and run away...
[08:54] <gnomefreak> didnt know he added safe upgrade yet
[08:54] <albert23> penguin42: I just turned avahi off :-)
[08:55] <rukuartic> albert23: Aha!
[08:55] <rukuartic> Hold on...
[08:55] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Yeh, aptitude tells you that upgrade is deprecated and you should use safe-upgrade
[08:55] <nikolam> done http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39049/
[08:55] <gnomefreak> nikolam: if that gives you same output please run sudo dpkg --configure -a see if that errors
[08:55] <rukuartic> albert23: Holy crap thats it
[08:55] <gnomefreak> nikolam: did you see anything set up the xserver packages?
[08:55] <sid> I just installed gutsy beta alt command line, and there is no eth0 for some reason.
[08:56] <rukuartic> albert23: whats the deal with avahi?
[08:56] <sid> sudo ifconfig shows no eth0, I can't do apt-get or anything.
[08:56] <nikolam> nothing. :)
[08:56] <rukuartic> sid: Yeah, I had eth1 as my default too
[08:56] <rukuartic> sid: try ifconfig -a
[08:56] <gnomefreak> sid: yah theres bugs on that
[08:56] <gnomefreak> asac is working on them but hes gone for the weekend
[08:56] <albert23> rukuartic: It tries to do dns using some special local service
[08:56] <rukuartic> gnomefreak: any idea how to change or alias eth1 to eth0?
[08:56] <sid> lspci shows the ethernet controller
[08:56] <rukuartic> albert23: Is it evil/worth removing?
[08:56] <albert23> rukuartic: you can see it with wireshark
[08:56] <gnomefreak> rukuartic: nope not off hand
[08:57] <sid> strange
[08:57] <nikolam> gnomefreak: sudo dpkg --configure -a reports nothing :)
[08:57] <albert23> I just stopped it and disabled it from starting
[08:57] <rukuartic> Man
[08:57] <sid> it made it eth1
[08:57] <sid> wonder why it did that
[08:57] <rukuartic> sid: bugs
[08:57] <gnomefreak> nikolam: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:58] <gnomefreak> nikolam: those packages didnt go anywhere i would like to kno where they are this command fails on them theres a few things we can try. if it doesnt tell you about them than you are good
[08:58] <sid> If I want to make this CLI system like a default gui ubuntu system, I only have to apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[08:58] <bur[n] e1> sid: correct
[08:58] <sid> k
[08:58] <gnomefreak> sid: yeah there are somethings that get installed with system that you wont get
[08:59] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39050/
[08:59] <gnomefreak> they maybe part of ubuntu-minimal or ubuntu-standard
[08:59] <gnomefreak> ha
[08:59] <bur[n] e1> ubuntu-minimal is part of a CLI 'server' system right?
[08:59] <gnomefreak> nikolam: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[08:59] <gnomefreak> bur[n] e1: yes that it is -standard that may not be
[09:00] <gnomefreak> nikolam: let me know when its open
[09:00] <nikolam> open
[09:00] <gnomefreak> nikolam: add a # to the first line
[09:00] <gnomefreak> nikolam: its starts with deb cdrom
[09:00] <gnomefreak> or something alike
[09:00] <nikolam> firs line have #
[09:00] <gnomefreak> nikolam: second line? what doe sit say
[09:01] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39051/
[09:01] <rukuartic> nikolam: look for deb-cdrom
[09:01] <gnomefreak> nikolam: ok than why is it looking for it
[09:01] <gnomefreak> nikolam: comment out the other one as well
[09:02] <gnomefreak> see you have 2 deb cdrom lines both need the # infront
[09:02] <nikolam> # added to line 4
[09:02] <gnomefreak> the extra one on top means nothing
[09:02] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:02] <gnomefreak> nikolam: now save and close
[09:02] <nikolam> ok.
[09:03] <gnomefreak> nikolam: now at term. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:03] <gnomefreak> nikolam: that should fix you
[09:04] <gnomefreak> it couldnt fix the pakages because they are not on the cd they are either on the dvd or the net (well both)
[09:04] <gnomefreak> fix == find
[09:04] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39052/
[09:05] <gnomefreak> nikolam: open up sources.list and pastebin what you have in there please
[09:05] <gnomefreak> nikolam: same as you did before with gksudo
[09:05] <nikolam> ok. its xubuntu/mousepad.
[09:06] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39053/
[09:06] <nikolam> Maybe i shoud use other mirror?
[09:06] <gnomefreak> nikolam: ok take all the cz out and in thier place use gb
[09:07] <gnomefreak> nikolam: im thinking that is the issue testing with gb will tell me
[09:07] <nikolam> should I choose gb in Gui settings?
[09:07] <gnomefreak> nikolam: i would do it right from text editor to be honest
[09:07] <d1006> works the same nikolam
[09:07] <d1006> in theory :P
[09:08] <gnomefreak> as long as its not synaptic as it corrupts /etc/apt/sources.list.d most of time
[09:08] <nikolam> you think: United kingdom?
[09:08] <gnomefreak> nikolam: i know gb works i am not on uk
[09:09] <gnomefreak> gb gets hit first anyway
[09:09] <d1006> it does?
[09:09] <gnomefreak> than gives it to uk than everyone eolse grabs from there to update thier repos
[09:09] <gnomefreak> servers even
[09:09] <bretzel> Hi there - I had troubles with gusty and brand new computer ( parts not the latest but compared to my old P4 2.4 S478... ) and I managed to find what was wrong ( hey I lost some updates with todays hardware!! ) 8-)
[09:09] <gnomefreak> d1006: yes
[09:09] <nikolam> what counrty/region is "gb" (me-stupit)
[09:09] <d1006> nice
[09:09] <d1006> england
[09:09] <gnomefreak> gb great britian
[09:10] <nikolam> ok, uk, archive.ubuntu.com then_
[09:10] <penguin42> that'll be the one in italy then :-)
[09:11] <d1006> gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[09:11] <d1006> not uk.a.u.c
[09:11] <bretzel> .ca is :-)
[09:11] <d1006> uk seems up to date, recent udev fixes are in at least
[09:11] <nikolam> ok, ill make it in sources.list to gb.archive.ubuntu.com
[09:12] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/506/
[09:12] <gnomefreak> nikolam: look at mine
[09:12] <gnomefreak> nikolam: no hold backs to updated or failed packages i dont know about any other mirror but this one
[09:12] <nikolam> ok. shoul i copy/paste yours or change mine?
[09:12] <gnomefreak> nikolam: no just change cz to gb
[09:12] <bascule> hi, I went to gutsy from feisty last night and have taken about 15% drop in gfx performance, intel 945, anyone else seeing this?
[09:13] <gnomefreak> its easier that wasy
[09:13] <gnomefreak> bascule: most people do its because of the new drivers package
[09:13] <penguin42> bascule: Have you started using compiz?
[09:13] <Plinskin> hi
[09:13] <bascule> penguin42: well I was but that is another one for later :)
[09:13] <d1006> bascule: i went from gutsy 32bit to 64bit and took 50% :| 32bit feisty to 32bit feisty on same ati fglrx was the same tho
[09:14] <Plinskin> anybody knows why when i boot my gutsy livecd it freezes at the menu?
[09:14] <gnomefreak> they bundled all intel drivers into one package to replace xserver-xorg-intel-i810 ect...
[09:14] <d1006> Plinskin: do you have a usb keyboard?
[09:14] <bascule> gnomefreak: I see guess the new drivers are not quite as good
[09:14] <penguin42> bascule: Have you changed to the 'intel' driver from 'i810' ?
[09:14] <Plinskin> d1006: no, i have a laptop
[09:14] <gnomefreak> bascule: they are buggy still but should be worked out by release. still wont beable to use i965 with compiz though
[09:14] <d1006> Plinskin: at the menu does hittin F[x]  work for you?
[09:14] <bascule> penguin42: no, never knew there was one
[09:15] <d1006> F[some numer1-6 iirc] 
[09:15] <penguin42> bascule: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf - do you see intel or i810 ?
[09:15] <Plinskin> d1006: yes, and i can go up and down thorug options
[09:15] <bascule> gnomefreak: using 945m here and it is proably as good as gf4 mx|| 5200
[09:15] <nikolam> OK, I selected uk in gui and then added gb in front of archive.ubuntu.com in sources.list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39055/
[09:15] <bretzel> ( graphics perfomances ) ==> I do have a Gf8 8600GTS and see no diffs with my old 7600GS... something is wrong with the drivers/settings/XOrg...certainly!
[09:15] <Plinskin> but when i choose one an press enter it freezes
[09:15] <d1006> Plinskin:  So what's frozen?gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[09:15] <gnomefreak> nikolam: run sudo apt-get update than sudo apt-get dist-upgrade after you save it
[09:15] <gnomefreak> nikolam: wait
[09:16] <bascule> penguin42: still i810
[09:16] <gnomefreak> nikolam: you dont put CC in security repos
[09:16] <d1006> er ignore the paste at the end of my line ^_^
[09:16] <gnomefreak> nikolam: take gb. out of the last section of repos
[09:16] <penguin42> bascule: Hmm OK; I changed to the intel one - although as mentioned; it's a bit flaky
[09:16] <gnomefreak> nikolam: wait a minute wtf
[09:17] <Plinskin> its when i choose one option of the menu when it freezes
[09:17] <d1006> nothing happens at all, it freezes at the menu?
[09:17] <Plinskin> yes
[09:17] <Plinskin> no black screens, just freezes
[09:17] <gnomefreak> nikolam: your security repos are messed up now
[09:17] <bascule> penguin42: it works ok, just gettin 950 on (the unscientific) glxgears was up at 1150 before
[09:18] <d1006> Plinskin:  did you try various noacpi type options?
[09:18] <Plinskin> and keyboard doesnt respond, i have to turn off my computer
[09:18] <nikolam> Ok, I fixed sec. repos . http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39057/
[09:18] <Plinskin> no, i didnt
[09:18] <gnomefreak> nikolam: make the last section loo like http://paste.ubuntu.com/507/
[09:18] <bretzel> corrupted cd maybe ...
[09:18] <nikolam> re-run update (in progress)
[09:18] <gnomefreak> nikolam: no
[09:18] <stonebear> Anyone know how to get more than 2 workspaces?
[09:18] <Plinskin> im a lttle rocky ^^
[09:18] <gnomefreak> nikolam: still not right
[09:18] <d1006> try editing the boot options, noapic, nolapic, noacpi are the usual ones to try iirc
[09:18] <gnomefreak> nikolam: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security main restricted  is how it should read
[09:19] <d1006> Plinskin: did you ever have similar problems with a linux install on that laptop?
[09:19] <Plinskin> yes
[09:19] <bretzel> cd drive
[09:19] <Plinskin> i had the busybox one with my feisty
[09:19] <penguin42> bascule: To be honest I haven't done any performance tests
[09:19] <gnomefreak> nikolam: show me new list when done, im gonna go for a smoke
[09:19] <d1006> stonebear: do you have compiz running by chance?
[09:20] <cps1966> !fsck
[09:20] <ubotu> fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[09:20] <d1006> Plinskin: I suggest looking up your laptop and looking for kernel boot options that might go with it, if you're sure the media (cd/dvd) you're using is defect free
[09:21] <nikolam> Ok, done :) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39058/
[09:21] <Plinskin> ok, thanks
[09:23] <gnomefreak> nikolam: remove is how it should read from that line
[09:23] <gnomefreak> nikolam: remove the part that says "is how it should read"
[09:24] <nikolam> sorry i`m idiot :) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39059/
[09:24] <gnomefreak> nikolam: after you remove that part you should be good
[09:24] <gnomefreak> nikolam: ok sudo apt-get update
[09:24] <gnomefreak> make sure no errors
[09:25] <nikolam> redo update then dist-upgrade?
[09:25] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:25] <gnomefreak> nikolam: it should try to update all packages now
[09:25] <nikolam> doing
[09:26] <gnomefreak> nikolam: after gutsy is released you can enable the partner repos and it should give you more packages but right now they are not up and running
[09:26] <nikolam> 14mins ETA minimum
[09:26] <gnomefreak> nikolam: for update or dist-upgrade?
[09:26] <nikolam> dist
[09:26] <gnomefreak> nikolam: is it upgrading all the cserver and perl packages?
[09:27] <gnomefreak> xserver
[09:27] <penguin42> partner repos?
[09:27] <nikolam> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39060/
[09:27] <gnomefreak> penguin42: they are in sources.list if clean install
[09:28] <gnomefreak> penguin42: they were the commericial repos
[09:28] <gnomefreak> penguin42: # deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner
[09:28] <rom> hi
[09:28] <bur[n] e1> anyone familiar with this?  I'm seeing it as well.  http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg466821.html
[09:28] <gnomefreak> nikolam: ok that should do it than. when done with that just make sure you run sudo dpkg --configure -a
[09:29] <rom> one kubuntu gutsy, I can modify the sound volume with my keyboard, but I can only choose 89% or 100%
[09:29] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Ah I haven't got that
[09:29] <gnomefreak> nikolam: that will make sure everything is good
[09:29] <rom> -one +on
[09:29] <gnomefreak> penguin42: upgrade?
[09:29] <nikolam> gnomefreak: Okidoki. Ok.
[09:29] <gnomefreak> penguin42: or tribe4-5?
[09:29] <rom> I can't select under 89%
[09:29] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Upgrade
[09:29] <gnomefreak> penguin42: thats why
[09:29] <gnomefreak> penguin42: they dont work anyway for now
[09:30] <gnomefreak> penguin42: add them after release or add now and just leave the # for both of them
[09:31] <afief> When pressing print screen on my keyboard nothing happens, is there a way to get a screen capture anyway?
[09:31] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Thanks
[09:31] <gnomefreak> afief: its because compiz is running
[09:31] <gnomefreak> afief: you have to enable it in conpiz
[09:32] <gnomefreak> or gconf-editor should have it as well
[09:32] <cps1966> thats dumb
[09:32] <gnomefreak> agreed
[09:32] <bur[n] e1> lol
[09:32] <gnomefreak> but compiz takes over you keyboards config
[09:32] <gnomefreak> because it uses it for other things
[09:33] <cps1966> i'm about to give up on ubuntu
[09:33] <gnomefreak> cps1966: eh its nto that hard
[09:33] <gnomefreak> not
[09:33] <afief> I guess the printscreen should be enabled by default... it's one hell of a lifesaver sometimes
[09:33] <cps1966> well if you had my machine everyting is hard
[09:33] <nikolam> cps1966: Dont give it up ;) You know the song :)
[09:34] <cps1966> fsck dies at boot
[09:34] <gnomefreak> afief: if you turn conpiz off it works (this is something i will ask about since i keep forgetting i makinga note
[09:34] <d1006> afief: tbh I never use printscreen
[09:34] <gnomefreak> cps1966: oh that is always fun :( i believe i saw a bug report on that as well
[09:34] <afief> d1006, well, I use it to show people my node setup in blender, tell friends what "unfindable" button to press....etc
[09:34] <gnomefreak> applications>accesories>screen shot
[09:35] <cps1966> getting daily now see if it was fixed
[09:35] <gnomefreak> cps1966: what date were you using?
[09:35] <d1006> afief: yeah i'm sure it's pretty useful for some peeps :)
[09:35] <cps1966> beta1
[09:35] <bur[n] e1> cps1966: works here on gutsy of today
[09:35] <gnomefreak> cps1966: that should been fine
[09:35] <gnomefreak> cps1966: but i have seen people have issues
[09:36] <gnomefreak> just cant remember if in here or bug report
[09:36] <cps1966> yeah but its not took over an hour to get OO crap that i dont use  and i wish it would let you pick your own stuff you want installed
[09:37] <cps1966> gnomefreak:  when you have 1.9 TB its important
[09:39] <Plinskin> d1006: hi, im back
[09:40] <Plinskin> it didnt work
[09:40] <d1006> Plinskin: didn't find any useful info?
[09:42] <d1006> tell me your laptop info...
[09:44] <stonebear> d1006: sorry bout that, i think so
[09:44] <d1006> stonebear: mm? sorry i forget what you said/i said ^_^
[09:44] <stonebear> Anyone know how to get more than 2 workspaces?
[09:45] <d1006> ah
[09:45] <bur[n] e1> now if only flash player would work with compiz so we could watch the office in wobbly, transparent glory, life would be wonderful!
[09:45] <d1006> well if you have compiz you need to install compizconfig- blah settings manager
[09:45] <d1006> to enable more desktops
[09:46] <stonebear> thanks
[09:46] <d1006> bur[n] e1: I hope you mean the real The Office with Ricky Gervais ^_^
[09:46] <Plinskin> d1006: no, i didnt
[09:46] <d1006> stonebear: compizconfig-settings-manager
[09:46] <bur[n] e1> d1006: i appreciate them both...
[09:47] <nikolam> For screenshots: sudo apt-get install scrot  http://linuxbrit.co.uk/scrot/
[09:47] <stonebear> sweet, thanks d
[09:47] <d1006> Plinskin: you'll need to share your laptop details (make/model etc) with us then
[09:47] <d1006> bur[n] e1: :P
[09:48] <penguin42> nikolam: If you want command line you can always do   convert X: blah.jpg
[09:48] <nikolam> niice :)
[09:49] <Plinskin> siemens-fujitsu, cpu:intel core2duo santa rosa, grafics: intel GMA x300, hd: sata 160gb with a volume of 40gb for windowsxp, wifi intel 4965AGN, RAM 2gb
[09:50] <nikolam> gnomefreak: Done update/dist-upgrade http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39063/ Reboot?
[09:51] <d1006> Plinskin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474693&highlight=BusyBox+v1.1.1
[09:51] <d1006> santa rosa machines do have probs with ubuntu atm afaik tho
[09:52] <Plinskin> thats y i wanted to get the 7.10 version
[09:53] <nikolam> Plinskin: 7.10 is developer version still. For stability use 7.04
[09:53] <d1006> nikolam: to be fair, santa rosa systems are presumably even less supported in feisty
[09:53] <cps1966> kernels to old
[09:54] <nikolam> Didn`t know that.
[09:54] <Plinskin> its not stable 4 me. i have changed so many configs that it has many bugs 4 my system
[09:55] <d1006> Plinskin: does it change anything when try the 'live boot=break' boot option?
[09:55] <cps1966> i had to move to 2.6.23 series kernel
[09:55] <Plinskin> no
[09:56] <d1006> Plinskin: if cps1966 is running a santa rosa system maybe he can help you more than i ^_^
[09:56] <cps1966> na i'm not but have lots of hardware
[09:57] <d1006> apart from trying the various boot options i have no suggestions what so ever and can only ominously say that i've heard santa rosa and bad linux experiences a lot recently
[09:58] <Plinskin> i have 2.6.22 kernel and my computer freezes sometimes when im downloading things, i cant run beryl properly, startup aplications doesnt always work...
[09:58] <d1006> "Turns out all those with Santa Rosa processors couldn't even start the system."
[09:59] <Plinskin> thats y i wanted gutsy
[09:59] <d1006> "According to people commenting on the relevant bug in Launchpad, the alternate CD works fine."
[09:59] <d1006> did u try the alternate CD?
[09:59] <d1006> Plinskin: I highly suggest reading http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=536414&highlight=santa+rosa
[10:00] <d1006> it seems possible to get it working
[10:00] <d1006> but gutsy doesn't seem like a 'work out of the box' solution for your santa rosa problems
[10:00] <d1006> if that's what you're after ^_^
[10:02] <nikolam> :So it works fine with kernel re-compile?
[10:02] <d1006> looks like it might simply need special boot option or a bios tweak to me
[10:04] <nikolam> so santa rosa should use alternate cd and enable legacy emulated HD settings in bios.
[10:07] <yeager> why does rsvg-convert consume 100% cpu during the first minutes after a reboot?
[10:13] <cps1966> why do all ubuntu mirrors choke your download so much
[10:14] <cps1966> 450kbs to 5 kbs
[10:16] <cps1966> looks like a problem on the fat end
[10:17] <frostburn> a lot of updates last night
[10:19] <penguin42> WEIRD!
[10:19] <penguin42> If I tap this 3 button mouse on the desk it generates button 4 and 5 events!
[10:20] <nikolam> Please click button 5 on mouse to continue.. :))
[10:20] <cps1966> hit it with hammer it might do 6 and 7
[10:20] <hylje> hit mouse9 to continue
[10:20] <penguin42> I'd just started using it and wondered why the window was sometimes scrolling
[10:21] <nikolam> Its hidden ability to mouse and mouse is m$oft-controlled. Bill Gates possessed it :))
[10:22] <cps1966> anyone for vista to xp upgrade
[10:23] <nikolam> Hack-a-mouse: Add 2 more buttons to your mouse, and feel better :))
[10:23] <nikolam> I am more for xp to ubuntu upgrade :)
[10:23] <penguin42> weird - it looks like a 3 button mouse internally
[10:24] <nikolam> I once had bugs in my computer and bios died. Actally I had ants in apartment those days :)
[10:25] <BHSPitLappy> that must have been back when bios chips were made from sugar
[10:25] <Ben_Cs> if i use feisty, and CLI: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  , then i'll be upgraded to gutsy right?
[10:26] <BHSPitLappy> Ben_Cs, no, because your sources are feisty sources
[10:26] <Ben_Cs> so what will the above command accomplish?
[10:26] <bur[n] er> aww... pidgin doesn't let you run ! commands!!
[10:27] <bur[n] er> ubotu: tell Ben_Cs about Upgrade
[10:27] <BHSPitLappy> if you change your sources and do that, then you'll be good... though I encourage searching for a published way of doing this rather than taking my word
[10:27] <BHSPitLappy> huh
[10:27] <bur[n] er_> !upgrade | Ben_Cs
[10:27] <ubotu> Ben_Cs: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[10:27] <BHSPitLappy> I
[10:27] <BHSPitLappy> I've only heard of usb -> ps/2
[10:28] <Ben_Cs> ok. but what does: dist-upgrade do then?
[10:30] <Gnontghol> "Getting upgrade pre-requists failed"
[10:32] <cps1966> just edit /etc/apt/sources.list put gutsy in place of feisty
[10:33] <Gnontghol> cps1966: thanks
[10:33] <cps1966> then do sudo apt-get update
[10:34] <DanaG> !aptitude
[10:34] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[10:34] <DanaG> run it with no parameters, for a nifty GUI.
[10:37] <Xero> DanaG, I like my Aptitude with marshmallows, not GUI.
[10:39] <Xero> !test
[10:39] <ubotu> Failed.
[10:39] <cps1966> flunky
[10:39] <Xero> Does that actually have a different outcome, or is it simply a command that tells ubotu to reply "Failed"?
[10:40] <cps1966> !itime
[10:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about itime - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:41] <cps1966> that why he flunked
[10:42] <jussi01> ok, I think it hates me... :(
[10:42] <jussi01> My pc now has decided to have a screen bigger than mine actually is...
[10:43] <sebastian> does anybody know how to add arbitrary characters to the keyboard when alt+another key is pressed?
[10:44] <sebastian> i saw there is an option for  in the keyboard preferences dialogue, but no such thing for say british pound key
[10:48] <jussi01> Is there a way to reinstall a package and all its dependencies?
[10:49] <Turms> jussi01: apt-get install --reinstall package, obviously just for the main pkg
[10:50] <jussi01> Turms: no, that only reinstalls the main package
[10:50] <Turms> jussi01: yes
[10:50] <jussi01> I want all the deps reinstalled also
[10:51] <Turms> jussi01: apt-get install --reinstall list of pkgs
[10:51] <sirrus> Good evening. Does anyone know whether rt2500 is working in latest snapshot of Gutsy with WPA?
[10:51] <jussi01> Turms: yes ok. but its a big list and I dont really want to type it out....
[10:51] <sirrus> It didn't when I did a clean install from gutsy beta iso
[10:54] <sirrus> Anyone has any experience with rt2500 + WPA in latest snapshot of gutsy?
[10:54] <jussi01> !repeat | sirrus
[10:54] <ubotu> sirrus: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[10:55] <Turms> jussi01: well another way would be remove --purge the main pkg and than perform an upgrade-system which would remove all the unneeded pkgs among them there should be the pkgs on which the main pkg depended provided that some of them are not needed by some other pkg
[10:59] <Jamesinator> On boot, GDM loads in 640x800 and when I try to log in, the screen goes to the default background and hangs
[10:59] <Jamesinator> I'm on the latest devel release of Gutsy
[11:01] <Jamesinator> This rather limits the use of Ubuntu as a "desktop" operating system, hence why I'm typing this on the recovery terminal in IRSSI
[11:02] <jussi01> Jamesinator: try running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:03] <jussi01> !find 2.6.22-12-rt
[11:03] <ubotu> Found: linux-headers-2.6.22-12-rt, linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-12-rt, linux-image-2.6.22-12-rt, linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-12-rt, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-12-rt
[11:05] <Centaur5> Does anybody know if pxe installs are broken in Gutsy?
[11:15] <ray_> any one know hoe to get mplayer tp play the new real player for mate like real 10 or real 11 dose
[11:15] <ray_> only dose up[ to 9 i need the newer formate thanks
[11:16] <ray_> rooms dead
[11:16] <ray_> penguin42 still here
[11:16] <penguin42> do you have an example  of a real 10 or real 11 stream?
[11:17] <ray_> penguin42 i use mplayer and need the new file formate that real used mplayer only dose up to 9 any plug in for mplayer to get real 11 or 10 files to work
[11:17] <ray_> rea
[11:17] <ray_> yes
[11:17] <penguin42> if you can point me at one I can try it here
[11:17] <ray_> ok
[11:18] <ray_> penguin42 will do hold on please
[11:18] <ray_> http://service.real.com/test/
[11:18] <penguin42> ok
[11:18] <jussi01> OK, my resolution is bigger than the screen. Anyone know how to fix it?
[11:18] <ray_> penguin42 im a disbility person but when comes to pc im a wiz
[11:18] <ray_> hope understand all
[11:19] <ray_> penguin42   what i do to play the new 9 8 and 10 and 11 formte
[11:19] <ray_> ?
[11:19] <penguin42> nod
[11:20] <ray_> formate
[11:20] <ray_> penguin42 what mean?
[11:21] <penguin42> you are right - I can't play the type 10 streams
[11:21] <ray_> penguisin42  what i do any plug in can he;lp with th
[11:21] <ray_> this
[11:22] <ray_> ?
[11:23] <asobi> so fyi, and I know this isn't the right place to report it, but the gutsy installer fails silently when a windows partition is given a mount point
[11:23] <asobi> install just finished but only because I gave my windows partition a blank mount point
[11:24] <ray_> how i remove a file that has root user privlige
[11:24] <asobi> this thread has the problem and solution listed - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=560055&highlight=gutsy+install+freezes
[11:25] <ray_> penguin42 what i do to play the 10 files?
[11:25] <penguin42> ray: I'm sorry, but I don't know anything which will do it
[11:25] <ray_> penguin42 is there any codedx
[11:25] <ray_> penguin42 hoe i remove a file that has root privige
[11:25] <ray_> to it says user is root
[11:26] <penguin42> use sudo to become root
[11:26] <ray_> penguin42 yes but wehat command
[11:26] <ray_> sudo not ssure wat command
[11:27] <slackern_> ray_, sudo rm filename
[11:28] <penguin42> ray_: Try the commands here for realplayer   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealplayerInstallationMethods?action=show&redirect=RealPlayerInstallationMethods
[11:29] <ray_> will not remove in a folder the root file
[11:30] <osmosis> Why is there no ubuntu-xen-server  package on amd64 ?
[11:30] <mwright1> Hi, just wandering if I can update to Gutsy release if I install the beta with no hassles
[11:30] <osmosis> mwright1: nah...still has bug
[11:30] <mwright1> is it the same repo as the final release around Oct 18?
[11:30] <ray_> slack i tryed you command get this err rm: cannot remove `doc-pak': Is a directory
[11:30] <ray_> what i do
[11:30] <secion8> anyone have luck running the desktop effects with an ati radeon 200m?
[11:31] <mwright1> Also is there a xen kernel?
[11:31] <mwright1> osmosis: what is the bug?
[11:31] <osmosis> mwright1: bugs...lots of them.
[11:31] <Tenso> Maybe
[11:31] <osmosis> mwright1: are you doing xen ?
[11:31] <ray_> what i do with my err
[11:31] <mwright1> This is just to get a LTSP going under Xen on top of a Centos5 dom0
[11:31] <osmosis> mwright1: ive been playing with xen on gutsy for weeks, but it has issues, and it doesnt seem like there is anyone around to fix them.
[11:32] <mwright1> need to get it working then switch my users from FC7 to gutsy when the relase comes out
[11:32] <osmosis> mwright1: why are you using a Centos dom0 ?
[11:32] <mwright1> cause it has 5 years support, and because we are a Centos / FC shop
[11:32] <mwright1> but we use LTSP for 50 users, so we want to try the desktops on ubuntu
[11:33] <secion8> I also tried using xgl but it was extremely slow
[11:33] <mwright1> we have lots of RAM on a HP DL385 quad core
[11:33] <osmosis> mwright1: how is the xen support on centos ?
[11:33] <Tenso> Busola is a retarded halo loving biiiaaatch
[11:33] <mwright1> so we can switch some users over for testing -- Redhat has no sound under LTSP while LTSP is native to ubntu and has sound
[11:33] <mwright1> osmosis: Xen support on centos is fine
[11:33] <osmosis> mwright1: how about on fedora core 7 ?
[11:33] <penguin42> mwright1: There appears to be a linux-image-2.6.22-12-xen package
[11:33] <osmosis> mwright1: what version of kernel? what version of xen ?
[11:34] <mwright1> fedora 7 - ok we tried to do something fancy - ended up running the centos kernel in FC7
[11:34] <osmosis> penguin42: my issue is that it fails on AMD64. Works pretty good on 386 actually.
[11:34] <osmosis> penguin42: check this out..  http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ubuntu-xen&searchon=names&subword=1&version=gutsy&release=all
[11:34] <penguin42> ah I hadn't actually tried it
[11:35] <mwright1>  2.6.18-8.1.14.el5
[11:35] <osmosis> penguin42: no server package for amd64.
[11:35] <mwright1> 2.6.18-8.1.10.el5xen
[11:35] <osmosis> penguin42: and even without the meta package, if I try installing the linux-xen  i get an unbootable kernel.
[11:35] <mwright1> is running on the FC7 box
[11:35] <mwright1> in any case want to get Xen going with ubuntu
[11:35] <osmosis> mwright1: do you want a ubuntu dom0 or a ubuntu guest ?
[11:35] <mwright1> osmosis: ignoring xen -- is the beta version in the same repos as the release?
[11:35] <mwright1> ubuntu guest
[11:35] <osmosis> mwright1: you want debootstrap then
[11:36] <penguin42> mwright1: It's a beta because things are expected to be fixed
[11:36] <osmosis> mwright1: or xen-tools
[11:36] <osmosis> penguin42: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=gutsy&subword=1&exact=&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=linux-xen&searchon=names
[11:36] <mwright1> sorry -- trying to understand - I'm happy with it being beta - -want to know if it's the same repos.
[11:36] <penguin42> mwright1: Ah, all the repository addresses etc are the same
[11:36] <mwright1> ie if I setup the entire environment - come Oct 20 i can do a apt-get update
[11:36] <osmosis> mwright1: uhh...yah,  gutsy repository is all there is.
[11:37] <mwright1> ok so I can start on it now - it will just be a bit buggy but apart from that it is identical to the relaese
[11:37] <mwright1> great -- I appreciate that
[11:38] <penguin42> mwright1: It will probably be fairly close unless they have found something particularly broken needing fixing
[11:41] <secion8> How do I speed up xgl with the fglrx driver, I am running ati radeon 200m in ubuntu gutsy beta
[11:41] <secion8> The refresh rate is extremely slow? Please help me
[11:42] <ray_> ok i inbstalled real player how i open it
[11:42] <ray_> not showing in sound and video at all
[11:42] <ray_> how i open it any one see my q
[11:43] <soundray> !intelhda | taggie
[11:43] <ubotu> taggie: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[11:44] <taggie> thx soundray, in earlier alphas, i had installed alsa by hand, and it worked great
[11:44] <taggie> my main concern is that this is a pretty common chipset, in a really popular laptop (thinkpad t60) and it seems strange it would require any special handling out of the box
[11:45] <secion8> Anyone? Please?
[11:45] <ray_>  any one know how to add the real player icon back in sounbd and vido i cant figer it our
[11:45] <taggie> i figured i'd do a full wipe-reinstall to help out the beta cause. and this is really the only issue i have. absolutely everything else is working.
[11:46] <darkangel_> should i install gusty beta (ubuntu)
[11:46] <kaminix|away> What does a freeze mean? I understand that something's stopped, but what is? What changes can still be made after a freeze?
[11:48] <darkangel_> im new to ubuntu and all should i update to the  7.10 beta or wait for the real update
[11:48] <penguin42> wait
[11:48] <rico_> has anyone encountered any problems with totem? it once worked (w/ gstreamer backend), but I tried replacing it iwth the xine backend and it wont play any videos anymore. same with trying to bring it back to gstreamer
[11:49] <darkangel_> penguin42: was the wait for me ?
[11:49] <rico_> darkangel_, probably best to wait, it's only a few days from now :)
[11:49] <darkangel_> rico_: true
[11:49] <penguin42> darkangel_: Yes, I'd wait
[11:49] <darkangel_> penguin42: ok plus my pc wont install the beta anyway
[11:50] <penguin42> darkangel_: If you have a spare machine or a VM to try it in
[11:51] <darkangel_> penguin42:  nope just my pos laptop
[11:52] <penguin42> darkangel_: Ah then I'd wait; but you might like to try the CD without installing it, and if it doesn't work please bug report it with the model of the laptop
[11:53] <sid> I'm using a dell inspiron 1100 laptop, with Intel 845G graphics.
[11:53] <darkangel_> penguin42: cd where? its a 9yr old 333mhz compaq lol im getting a kick ass laptop for christmus
[11:53] <sid> I am running the latest gutsy, and when I boot, everything is in a small box. It doesn't uset he whole screen
[11:53] <sid> X seems to be forced to use 800x600, but it doesn't use the full screen
[11:54] <rico_> darkangel_, you can try downloading the gutsy beta .iso and burn it to a CD. then you can boot to it and try it live (w/o installing it to your HD)
[11:55] <penguin42> darkangel_: Haha OK - borrow a USB CD drive :-)
[11:55] <darkangel_> penguin42: i could find a link for a cd then again is it that much differernt
[11:55] <sid> I tried to specify vga=773 in grub on the kernel line, but when I do this..nothing shows up
[11:56] <ray_> how i remove all of real to start fresh inclding the one i installed from real.com
[11:56] <ray_> so i get fresh install
[11:56] <ray_> any help
[11:57] <kRush> sid, is this only whilst booting or also on the desktop?
[11:58] <sid> kRush: both
[12:00] <rico_> anyone know of any issues with gutsy with Totem not being able to play DIVX files (or most other video formats of rthat matter)?
[12:00] <penguin42>  sid: If it was only in X then I'd think it might be related to one of the parts of this bug; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/49827
[12:00] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 49827 in xorg "Available resolutions incompletely set to 1024x768, 800x600, 640x480" [High,Confirmed] 
[12:02] <sid> penguin42: This isn't a wide screen laptop
[12:02] <penguin42> sid: True, it is a laptop with screwy res however
[12:03] <maccam94> my synaptic touchpad doesn't seem to work when switching to another user via fast user switching. it's like it's locked to the first session or something.
[12:03] <maccam94> this has been a bug for a couple weeks now
[12:03] <ray_> how i remove all of real player folerds?
[12:03] <maccam94> anyone know of having to set options manually or anything?
[12:03] <penguin42> sid: If you scroll near the bottom of that there is the last entry by Bryce Harrington; it lists 3 commands to try and submit the results of to that report - they might help
[12:03] <ray_> folders i mean
[12:05] <ray_> hi room
[12:05] <ray_> hi room how i remove all of real player folder so i start fresh
[12:05] <ray_> ?
[12:05] <ray_> so it remakes it right
[12:06] <ray_> its nor making i right
[12:06] <ray_> saying i have other one in here
[12:06] <sid> I can't seem to start X at all. I can't get to a login screen
[12:06] <ray_> any see my q?
[12:06] <sid> It shows me some video dialog gui
[12:07] <maccam94> ray_: rm -rf ~/.realplayerrc
[12:07] <slackern_> btw which tool is used for to configure "Custom Visual Effects" with compiz-fusion enabled?
[12:07] <penguin42> sid: Hit ctrl-alt-F1 - what do you see?
[12:07] <maccam94> actually the -rf is unneccessary
[12:07] <sid> penguin42: vt1
[12:07] <penguin42> any text?
[12:07] <maccam94> ray_: just rm ~/.realplayerrc
[12:07] <sid> yes, login etc
[12:07] <ray_> maccam94 ok did now what
[12:07] <penguin42> ok, so at least that is OK
[12:07] <maccam94> ray_: but idk about removing mozilla plugins
[12:08] <maccam94> ray_: then apt-get remove --purge realplayer (or whatever the package is called)
[12:08] <penguin42> sid: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[12:08] <ray_> maccam94 how do i
[12:08] <ray_> maccam94 telling me not installed
[12:09] <ray_> what now
[12:09] <maccam94> ray_: then that's not the right package name, or it wasn't installed via apt/synaptic
[12:10] <slackern_> slackern, i'll answer my own question compizconfig-settings-manager needs to be installed to be able to use the custom option.
[12:10] <kRush> sid, is your laptops bios up to date? it's known to cause trouble
[12:12] <sid> kRush: yes
[12:12] <sid> It has the very latest, A32
[12:12] <cps1966> well the only way this will boot is fastboot
[12:13] <secion8> does the ati 8.41 driver work with ati radeon 200m cards?
[12:13] <maccam94> if i want to file a bug in fast user switching, where do i file it? i wouldn't say it's so much a problem with the applet...
[12:16] <MugginsM> so gutsy seems to have missed our changed daylight savings times in NZ. Dapper and Fiesty seem to have gotten it ok
[12:16] <ray_> maccam94 how i add the real player icon to the sound and video didnt make one
[12:17] <maccam94> ray_: ALT + F2. run this: alacarte
[12:17] <maccam94> ray_: go to the sound/video section
[12:18] <maccam94> ray_: click "New Item"
[12:18] <ray_> maccam94 ok now what i do
[12:18] <maccam94> ray_: set the name to Real Player
[12:18] <sid> kRush / penguin42 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-i810/+bug/117892
[12:18] <maccam94> ray_: set the command to realplay
[12:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117892 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 "i810/intel xorg drivers hang Inspiron 1100" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[12:18] <sid> Looks like this bug is confirmed.
[12:19] <sid> since feisty
[12:19] <ray_> maccam94 ok now what
[12:19] <maccam94> click where it says No icon and choose one you like
[12:19] <maccam94> ray_: then hit ok and close alacarte
[12:19] <maccam94> there should now be an entry in the menu
[12:20] <ray_> maccam94 says i need a command
[12:20] <ray_> befor i close it
[12:20] <maccam94> i told you, for command put realplay
[12:21] <ray_> maccam94 never got that in text never cme throw
[12:21] <ray_> is it a aplation
[12:21] <ray_> maccam94
[12:21] <ray_> its mine end not yours
[12:21] <ray_> maccam94 thanks so much
[12:22] <awkorama> hi allz
[12:22] <maccam94> ray_: no problem
[12:23] <ray_> maccam94 do i need mplayer
[12:23] <awkorama> is there a reason to install restricted driver for ait radeon mobility 9600 on gutsy (will desktop effects work with it) ?
[12:24] <ray_> !mplayer
[12:24] <ubotu> mplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs
[12:24] <maccam94> ray_: mplayer or vlc can do everything realplayer does and more
[12:24] <maccam94> ray_: are you new to ubuntu?
[12:24] <rico_> !codecs
[12:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:24] <ray_> maccam94 just to 7.10
[12:25] <ray_> maccam94 im a disabod on dsability person not great speller but real good on pc
[12:25] <rico_> anyone know how to make VLC only have up to one instance open?
[12:25] <rico_> :p
[12:25] <ray_> i mean disability person
[12:27] <Myrth[home] > hi, i've just upgraded to gutsy and most kde icons became generic doc icon... how do i fix it?
[12:31] <savvas> gotta love the automatic report :)
[12:32] <cypherdelic_> greetings
[12:33] <r3m0t> did grub/volumeid break today?
[12:33] <sid> o shit
[12:33] <sid> it works now
[12:33] <cypherdelic_> beta runs well
[12:34] <sid> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-i810/+bug/117892
[12:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117892 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 "i810/intel xorg drivers hang Inspiron 1100" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[12:34] <sid> I downloaded the xorg.conf from Charles Ulrich, located here: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8180312/xorg.conf
[12:35] <cypherdelic_> what about the next releaese whats the release name?
[12:35] <sid> Gutsy?
[12:36] <slackern_> Hardy Heron is after Gutsy
[12:36] <jussi01> !hardy
[12:36] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for Ubuntu 8.04-LTS, due April 2008. For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron
[12:36] <Meroigo> cool name
[12:37] <crdlb> at least it's easy to spell :)
[12:37] <jussi01> !gusty
[12:37] <ubotu> It is spelt !guTSy :)
[12:37] <jussi01> :)
[12:38] <r3m0t> since when did all the media switch to DVD?
[12:38] <savvas> i thought the mascot was supposed to be a gibbon, not an adjective :P
[12:38] <maccam94> gutsy gibbon
[12:38] <maccam94> feisty fawn is just called feisty, gutsy gibbon is shortened to gutsy
[12:38] <maccam94> etc
[12:38] <jussi01> r3m0t: it didnt afaik
[12:39] <r3m0t> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/
[12:39] <Pici> !codenames
[12:39] <r3m0t> tribe 5 was CDs, now we're on DVDs all of a sudden
[12:39] <ubotu> Ubuntu has awesome release codenames. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames for more
[12:39] <Pici> r3m0t: There are still CDs available on cdimage.ubuntu.com
[12:40] <r3m0t> this *is* cdimage.ubuntu.com
[12:40] <r3m0t> are DVDs now recommended?
[12:40] <maccam94> r3m0t: why?
[12:41] <cypherdelic_> libxul depends on wrong libxul-common package
[12:41] <r3m0t> I'm curious. also does this now include live+alternate+alternate for servers?
[12:41] <Martinp23> r3m0t: http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/
[12:41] <r3m0t> ah thanks.
[12:42] <Martinp23> There are CDs there - I'm not sure why there are DVDs only on cdimage. - took me ages of wondering about it before I found the releases.. subdomain :)
[12:42] <r3m0t> now I have a choice! this is too difficult
[12:43] <r3m0t> I think I'll pick the x86 desktop CD.
[12:43] <sid> Now X works fine, but the console doesn't work fine. it's too small
[12:43] <searayman> when i try an enable desktop effects in gutsy it doeesnt work any ideas?
[12:44] <sid> and vga=foo doesn't help at all. if I do vga=773, it shows nothing, same with vga=791
[12:44] <r3m0t> sorry for the silly question: how do I, as a one-off, make my computer shut down two hours from now?
[12:44] <sid> r3m0t: go to a terminal type "sleep #ofseconds; shutdown -h now"
[12:45] <sid> So two hours is 120 minutes, times 60 seconds.
[12:45] <r3m0t> sid: I was thinking the same, but I would need to sudo bash first. :-P
[12:45] <sid> sleep 7200; shutdown -h now;
[12:45] <r3m0t> well, that's an acceptable solution.
[12:45] <sid> yes, or just login as root
[12:45] <Martinp23> sudo shutdown -h 120m
[12:45] <sid> and you can control alt l, to lock the screen
[12:45] <sid> so no one touches anything
[12:45] <searayman> when i try and enable desktop effects the screen blinks and it says desktop effects coudl not be enabled
[12:45] <sid> ahh, it's built-in to shutdown now
[12:46] <r3m0t> it's sudo shutdown -h +120m for future reference
[12:46] <Martinp23> sudo shutdown -h +120
[12:46] <r3m0t> sorry, I was still wrong
[12:46] <r3m0t> heh heh, good night everybody
[12:46] <secion8> Can someone help me through getting xgl to run on ati radeon 200m.
[12:46] <Martinp23> ooof sorry - my fault :)
[12:47] <hype_> hi :)
[12:47] <hype_> any hints why the new gstreamer equalizer appears in mplayer, but doent make effect? (all alsa seems quite broken for me: creative audigy 2)
[12:47] <Xero> My laptop's wireless won't work. It is bcm48xx compatible and ndiswrapper/driverloader refuse to make it work.
[12:47] <secion8> I Installed it but it is very slow.
[12:47] <RAOF> secion8: Are you using Compiz?  'cause there's a bug in the fglrx drivers which makes xgl+metacity slow.
[12:47] <Xero> The bcm48xx firmware is installed in /lib/firmware and the card still refuses to do anything at all. Wired networking somehow works, though.
[12:47] <Martinp23> Xero: Which laptop?
[12:48] <secion8> Where are the options set for xgl in ubuntu 7.10, Seeing as we do not need all those login scripts to get it running.
[12:48] <Xero> Martinp23, Dell Inspiron B120
[12:48] <Xero> Quite old and slow.
[12:48] <RAOF> secion8: In /usr/share/xserver-xgl/Xgl-session
[12:48] <secion8> xgl used to run perfectly before this new way of running xgl.
[12:48] <afief> Hello, I to have two soundcards(one's actually a modem) and the sound driver appears to be outputing through the modem, how can i change this?
[12:48] <Xero> dmesg returns nothing of use and lspci returns Broadcom something. I can't quote it because the laptop is off.
[12:48] <secion8> RAOF: Thnks
[12:49] <savvas> some help please? when an application crashes, it opens apport to send some info, but where is that info stored? It look like it doesn't save it anywhere in the report list
[12:49] <maccam94> Xero: do you mean bcm43xx?
[12:49] <Xero> maccam94, yes.
[12:50] <Xero> As I said, I can't quote it :)
[12:50] <maccam94> Xero: you've confirmed that it does indeed work with bcm43xx?
[12:50] <maccam94> and not ndiswrapper?
[12:50] <Xero> maccam94, it does -not- work with it. The firmware loads and the card is not detected.
[12:50] <maccam94> Xero: yeah, the firmware is incomplete
[12:50] <maccam94> have you tried specifically modprobing bcm43xx?
[12:51] <Xero> maccam94, yes.
[12:51] <Xero> And ndiswrapper/driverloader
[12:51] <maccam94> i've done that and gotten the interface to show up, but actually connecting to an access point fails
[12:51] <maccam94> ndiswrapper works for me though :-\
[12:51] <Xero> maccam94, wait. Let me try something. If i load them both, it does as you described.
[12:51] <Xero> The interface appears as eth1
[12:52] <afief> Hello, I to have two soundcards(one's actually a modem) and the sound driver appears to be outputting through the modem, how can i change this?
[12:52] <Xero> !patience | afief
[12:52] <ubotu> afief: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[12:52] <Xero> !repeat | afief
[12:52] <ubotu> afief: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[12:52] <tretle> whats the story with those animal wallpapers?
[12:53] <saeed> hi all
[12:54] <nergar> hello
[12:54] <maccam94> tretle: what do you mean by wallpapers? the ones on the incoming artwork page? or the one included in the wallpaper package?
[12:54] <searayman> can i gte help with desktop effects on gutsy please?
[12:55] <savvas> searayman: what do you mean?
[12:55] <penguin42> searayman: Possibly - just ask a more detailed question
[12:55] <Xero> maccam94, the bcm43xx does indeed show an interface. However, this interface is basically useless, can't connect to anything, and phailz0rz on WEP auth.
[12:55] <searayman> savvas: it just say it cant be enabled when i try an dturn them on
[12:55] <searayman> savvas: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1226/1460466106_f9bd154767_o.png
[12:55] <Martinp23> Xero: Does this help at all? http://www.mepis.org/node/11915
[12:55] <maccam94> Xero: yeah, i think i have a 4306 and it can't connect with bcm43xx
[12:55] <nergar> i'm having a problem with gutsy beta http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=563231 (instead of pastebin)
[12:56] <savvas> searayman: graphics card?
[12:56] <searayman> savvas: nvidia
[12:56] <savvas> searayman: did you download the nvidia restricted driver
[12:57] <penguin42> nergar: Odd - what type of machine is it? Anything unusual about it?
[12:57] <Xero> Martinp23, lol!!!!!
[12:57] <savvas> searayman ? :)
[12:57] <nergar> penguin42: no
[12:57] <searayman> savvas: in restricted drivers i enabled it....do i need to download soemthign else too?
[12:57] <savvas> ah
[12:57] <nergar> penguin42: its a dell inspiron 6000
[12:57] <penguin42> nergar: Have you run any Linux on it successfully?
[12:57] <Xero> Martinp23, i'm going to try that.
[12:57] <savvas> no, it should be fine, searayman .. did you restart after installing it?
[12:58] <maccam94> Martinp23: that's an intel card
[12:58] <searayman> savvas: yes
[12:58] <nergar> penguin42: yes, slackware, debian, edgy, dapper, feisty, zenwalk, sabayon
[12:58] <maccam94> Xero, Martinp23: i don't think the broadcom cards usually have physical switches for them (i know mine doesn't anyway)
[12:58] <penguin42> nergar: Have you tried another CD burn just in case?
[12:59] <savvas> searayman: well.. I'm out of ideas heh, unless you haven't updated your pc with update-manager, I can't think of anything else. which graphics card do you use?
[12:59] <searayman> savvas: GeForce2 MX/MX 400] 
[12:59] <nergar> penguin42: no, i'm out of cd
[12:59] <nergar> s
[12:59] <Martinp23> maccam94: Mine on a dell 1501 (AMD64) does have one on fn-F2
[12:59] <savvas> searayman: maybe it's too old for graphics
[12:59] <savvas> I mean 3d effects
[12:59] <searayman> savvas: i had compiz fusion on here in feisty...
[01:00] <Martinp23> though it's likely that YMMV
[01:00] <penguin42> nergar: Hmm, how about reading the CD back under another Linux to check it can be read?
[01:00] <wsjunior> i installed virtualbox ose on my kubuntu gutsy beta, but there isnt any usb section, do i need to create it somehow?
[01:00] <maccam94> savvas: which graphics driver are you using?
[01:00] <maccam94> savvas: nv or nvidia?
[01:01] <Xero> Martinp23, wireless was disabled in the BIOS.
[01:01] <nergar> penguin42: the cd works, i chacked the cd for errors and checked written data when i burnt it
[01:01] <frostburn> anyone else have a problem with the screen randomly flickering on gutsy 64 with restricted nvidia binaries
[01:01] <maccam94> Xero: lol
[01:01] <Martinp23> Xero: :D
[01:01] <Xero> Martinp23, I'm still not sure if it works. Don't lol and smile yet.
[01:02] <maccam94> afief: do you still need help with sound?
[01:02] <penguin42> nergar: OK, hmm it's an odd place to hang - how hard does it hang - does capslock still work? Can you ctrl-alt-f1 ?
[01:03] <nergar> penguin42: i'm using the live cd right now
[01:03] <afief> maccam94, yes please
[01:03] <nergar> the only thing that hangs is ubiquity
[01:04] <penguin42> nergar: So can you get to a shell to see if there are any errors?
[01:04] <maccam94> afief: go to system -> preferences -> sound. under Default Mixer Tracks you can choose the device
[01:04] <savvas> maccam94: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=544840
[01:04] <nergar> penguin42: lol, never thought off that :)
[01:04] <savvas> oops
[01:05] <savvas> searayman left
[01:05] <savvas> bah
[01:05] <afief> maccam94, should i restart?
[01:05] <maccam94> afief: i don't think so
[01:06] <penguin42> nergar: Two thoughts; 1 how much RAM do you have?   2) Before the installer is run it isn't using your hard drive at all is it? e.g. mounted one of the hard drives partitions or done something stupid like enabled the swap partitition - but I doubt it's either of those
[01:06] <NightBird> so, I just upgraded to gusty.... but I can't get past the login screen....
[01:06] <penguin42> NightBird: But you get the login screen OK?
[01:06] <NightBird> yeap
[01:06] <nergar> penguin42: its very weird, this is the 4rd time i install gutsy, i been testing it since tribe 2, never had any problems
[01:07] <penguin42> NightBird: So what happens when you try and log in?
[01:07] <penguin42> nergar: Hopefully from a shell you'll be able to find out if there are any errors
[01:07] <NightBird> penguin42: it ends up with the just blue background of the login screen
[01:08] <nergar> penguin42: 1 gb ram, and also tried unmounting the swap partition and nothing else was mounted
[01:08] <afief> maccam94-away, nothing:(
[01:08] <penguin42> NightBird: I think there is an option on the login screen to choose a session type and one of the options is 'failsafe' try that
[01:09] <NightBird> that one gets me the konsole to pop up, but that's it
[01:09] <NightBird> doesn't appeared to be managed(this is on a kubuntu gutsy)
[01:10] <penguin42> NightBird: I can't honestly remember how much failsafe noramlly gives
[01:10] <Xero> Holy magical death powers. The BIOS trick worked.
[01:10] <Martinp23> Yay :D
[01:10] <penguin42> NightBird: If you can get a failsafe login I'd probably try moving all the .kde* files to a temporary directory and see if you could log in now
[01:11] <penguin42> nergar: So if 'free' shows 0 swap, and everything is unmounted, I think I'd check dmesg and /var/log/messages for any errors and see if the ubiquity task or anything else is still running
[01:11] <nergar> penguin42: it hung again and no output
[01:11] <penguin42> nergar: OK - but you've got a shell?
[01:11] <NightBird> penguin42: trying that now
[01:12] <NightBird> penguin42: doesn't appear to be working
[01:12] <nergar> penguin42: ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo ubiquity
[01:12] <nergar> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[01:13] <penguin42> NightBird: Try moving your .qt directory as well
[01:13] <Xero> I have wireless.
[01:13] <penguin42> NightBird: and any other .k* - in a lot older versions of KDE I've seen it leave a lock file around which it then hung on during startup very occasionally
[01:14] <Xero> It can stream music and download codecs for said music all in about 5 minutes because its crappy wireless that doesn't in any way parallel the speed of my almighty wired desktop connection.
[01:14] <nergar> is the beta ISO built daily like the alpha?
[01:16] <NightBird> penguin42: do you know where the options for the session types are stored?
[01:16] <Martinp23> nergar: There is *an* image built daily - let me find the link
[01:17] <Xero> NightBird, I used to know.
[01:17] <Xero> Something like /usr/share/Xsessions
[01:17] <penguin42> NightBird: Sorry, no
[01:17] <nergar> thanks Martinp23
[01:18] <Martinp23> nergar: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ - however it's probably best to use the beta iso on releases.ubuntu.com - I downloaded the daily image today and it failed during the installation.
[01:18] <nergar> :( the beta also failed for me
[01:18] <Dr_willis> Bumner - no packages for my G15 keyboard in the repos. :( heh.
[01:19] <Martinp23> nergar: Ahh :( - I've seen some suggestions of using a tribe cd and apt-get upgrading from that.