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Leoneklsp hows it look01:23
Leonekl?01:23
Leoneklbooted fine01:23
Leonekl?01:23
Pici!pinning | mluser-work01:23
nosrednaekimmluser-work: you can lock it in synaptic01:23
ubotumluser-work: pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto01:23
mluser-workPici: thanks01:24
Jordan_Uraymondjtoth, You might have problems in the future ( Gutsy is still beta ) but if apt-get dist-upgrade runs without errors you should be up to date. You may want to make sure that the ubuntu-desktop package is installed though01:24
mluser-worknosrednaekim: thanks01:24
Jordan_ULeonekl, What does GDM have to do with Restricted Manager?01:24
VousDeuxnow, if I could just get something besides 1680x1050 to work01:24
raymondjtothJordan_U how i do thsi01:24
Leonekli mean just ur GUI in genereal01:25
raymondjtothim havethsi on a laptop the beta01:25
raymondjtothso no big problem with intel wireless card from dell e1505 i have01:25
raymondjtothJordan_U01:25
wabiDcan i tell my window list to sort programs , so that if i have 2 firefox windows open they are next to each other?01:25
Jordan_Uraymondjtoth, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop ( or use synaptic )01:25
Leoneklclick hey vous u use aim by any chance01:25
nosrednaekimmluser-work: not sure how to do it on the CLI01:25
raymondjtothJordan_U i have synaptic install01:25
VousDeuxLeonekl, I don't use any im01:26
Jordan_ULeonekl, Then you install the nvidia-glx package01:26
Leoneklk01:26
Leoneklclick applications01:26
Leoneklsystem tools01:26
mluser-workPici: nosrednaekim: Actually I dont want to pin this version, I just want to blacklist a specific version which is breaking things01:26
Leoneklcheck the NVIDIA config program there01:26
raymondjtothJordan_U do i want prerelease checked01:26
Jordan_Uraymondjtoth, I am not sure what that is ( I don't use synaptic )01:27
raymondjtothok01:27
raymondjtothJordan_U i read on site it release in oct. 2007 for 7.1001:27
raymondjtothis that right01:27
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Jordan_Uraymondjtoth, Yes, the release names for Ubuntu stand for the year and month of the release01:28
nosrednaekim_dan_: heh...don't worry about it... you did your best01:28
Leoneklso vousdeux01:28
Leoneklis it working?01:28
raymondjtothJordan_U when is thsi release full verson out of beta an will i jsut update to fullk version with out loseing any thing when out of beta01:28
VousDeuxyes, but I'm back to my old problem...only one resolution available (1680x1050)01:28
Leoneklok nvidia install a program for ya01:29
Leoneklgo to applications01:29
Leoneklsystem tools01:29
Jordan_UVousDeux, Could you please test the new resolution configuration tool01:29
LeoneklNVIDIA x server settings01:29
Leonekland change em thru there01:29
VousDeuxI have it open, but it only lists 1680x105001:29
Leoneklk01:29
Leonekllcd screen01:30
Leonekl?01:30
VousDeuxyes, 17" widescreen01:30
Leoneklk01:30
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nosrednaekimodd... the kubuntu liveCD feels faster..01:30
VousDeuxthe computer is MS-1719, if you want to have a look01:30
Leoneklwhat ya mean01:31
Leonekl?01:31
VousDeuxLeonekl, was that question for me?01:31
Leoneklthru the tmernial?01:31
Leoneklyes01:31
panosruhi, i try to make partial upgrade and i get this error : http://pastebin.com/d1bccb13c01:32
Leoneklwhat did u mean the computer is MS-171901:32
VousDeuxLeonekl, I'm not sure I understand your question01:32
Leonekl?01:32
VousDeuxoh, that is the model#01:32
Leonekloh ok01:32
Leoneklits ok01:32
Leoneklhehe01:32
Leoneklwhat u can do is01:32
Leoneklopen ur terminal01:32
VousDeuxif you plug that into google it comes right up to the top01:32
Leoneklfor the ladies01:33
Leonekllol?01:33
Leoneklthats neat01:33
VousDeuxhehe01:33
Leoneklk01:34
Leoneklin ur terminal01:34
Leonekltype in01:34
Leoneklsudo gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf01:34
Xeroor gksu mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf (i like mousepad better)01:35
VousDeuxI like vi01:35
Leoneklu got it01:35
Leonekl?01:35
VousDeuxyes01:35
Leoneklscroll down to were it says section screen01:35
Leoneklin subsection display01:35
Leoneklunder modes01:35
Leoneklgo ahead and put ur number01:36
Leoneklhehe01:36
Leoneklsave it01:36
Leonekland restart xorg01:36
VousDeuxfunny thing is...it says 1024x76801:36
Leoneklhehe01:37
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Leoneklchange it to what u need it01:37
Leoneklor01:37
Leoneklmaybe u can change it thru system preferences01:37
Leonekland go to screen resolution01:37
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LaibschI have set LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8 and LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8 in /etc/environment.  The menus are still in German.  I searched through /etc and the dot-files in ~/ and found nothing that would explain this.01:39
raymondjtothJordan_U pm or im pl01:39
raymondjtothpls01:39
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Leoneklhey01:39
Leoneklvous01:39
VousDeuxyes01:40
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Leoneklu can change it under preferences and screen resolution also01:40
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Leoneklits better that way01:40
nosrednaekimhey... does the ubuntu liveCD have all the packages on it?01:40
VousDeuxyeah, still just says 1680x105001:40
Leoneklu cant change it?01:40
VousDeuxno01:40
Leoneklhmm01:40
Jordan_Unosrednaekim, What do you mean by "all" it has all of the packages in ubuntu-desktop01:40
Leoneklur gonna have to enter it manually01:41
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raymondjtothJordan_U get my pm or im01:41
nosrednaekimJordan_U: yeah.. thats what I meant, thanks.01:41
Leonekljust change the xorg.conf file accordinly01:41
VousDeuxcat /etc/X11/xorg.conf01:41
VousDeuxack...wrong keyboard01:41
nosrednaekimJordan_U: that way I can install the latest version of openoffice off it, right?01:41
Leoneklhey01:41
VousDeuxit doesn't seem to read whatever is in the xorg.conf01:42
Leoneklwere it says modes01:42
VousDeuxI had a ton of modes in there before01:42
Leoneklreplace that line01:42
LeoneklModes      "1680x1050" "1600x1200" "1440x1440" "1280x1024" "1280x960" "1280x800" "1024x768" "832x624" "800x600" "720x400" "640x480"01:42
Jordan_Unosrednaekim, Yes01:42
Leonekldoes it look like that?01:42
VousDeuxit did before01:42
raymondjtothjordan see me last im or pm pls01:42
VousDeuxnow I just have "1280x800"01:42
Leoneklk01:42
Leonekldid u restart?01:43
VousDeuxwhich I just changed from 1024x76801:43
VousDeuxyes, complete restart01:43
Leoneklits good now then?01:43
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VousDeuxwell, like I said...it's back to where I only have 1680x1050 :)01:44
VousDeuxbut at least it has a better driver01:44
Leonekldid u save the conf file when u edited it?01:44
VousDeuxyes01:44
Leoneklk01:44
Leoneklhehe01:44
VousDeux:wq usually does the trick01:44
Leonekli guess when it comes to laptops01:44
Leoneklthigns are diff with the screens01:45
VousDeuxI'm not so sure that's it...I think things are still being developed01:45
Leoneklyes01:45
Leonekli just upgraded my last 7.0401:46
Leoneklto this01:46
Leoneklhehe01:46
VousDeuxI would rather be able to configure my touch pad than change my resolution right now01:46
Leoneklhehe01:46
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raymondjtoth lo no wireless extnrsions eth0 no wireless extensions01:46
raymondjtoth<raymondjtoth> <raymondjtoth> what i do01:46
raymondjtoth<raymondjtoth> sorry if sound dumb new to 7.1001:46
raymondjtothsorry wrong ox01:46
Piciwrong ox?01:46
_dan_VousDeux u can config the scrolling options01:46
PiciThere would be a right ox?01:46
raymondjtothbox01:46
_dan_and mous sensetivity right?01:47
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Fastlyi'm testing out gutsy beta - would it be recommended to now do a "partial upgrade" through the update manager?01:49
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VousDeux_dan, no... it just says it cannot access shared memory01:49
VousDeux_dan_, I have the SHMConfig option "on" in the xorg.conf, but I don't think it is loading the synaptics driver when it boots01:50
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_dan_hmmm :// worked out of the box for mine. (01:51
DanaGAack, compiz-kde just gave me a big fright.01:52
DanaGI thought it had trampled on all my settings, but it had merely changed the config backend.01:52
VousDeuxhehe, I've been to hell and back with this thing...nothing seems to get it going for me01:52
Fastly??01:52
VousDeuxsee, now it's stuff like this I don't understand...I just rebooted and the updater notifier came on01:53
riotkittiebeta's being really cruel to me. herd 5 live disc installed fine. beta's live disc hangs at 53% into the partition scan. alt disc install goes fine, but booting into it, nothing happens. splash off, no messages of any sort, no disk activity. not a hard freeze.01:53
VousDeuxwhen I told it to fetch updates, it gave me back a list that says it wants to uninstall just about every single thing on the whole system01:53
riotkittiemaybe this is what i get for naming the box wasteland. :|01:54
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extra9really weird.  I upgraded and after it restarted, only safe graphics mode works01:59
VousDeuxokay, so how do I fix this Adept Updater now...it just wants to remove everything and it won't let me change from remove01:59
extra9dell inspiron 1420 n, with intel gma 96501:59
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VousDeuxwhen I try to Cancel Changes, the Requested column changes to BREAK (no change), then reverts back to 'remove'02:00
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SeanConneryhi, I'm getting a weird error when upgrading to gutsy: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libkbluetooth0_1.0~beta8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb (--unpack):02:03
SeanConnery trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libqobex.so.0.0.9', which is also in package qobex02:03
SeanConneryhow can I err.. fix it?02:04
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SeanConnerywell I just dpkg --purged the bluetooth since I don't care about it anyway02:14
SeanConnery\o/ for me02:14
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sayerswhat's with the horrible sound?02:16
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eeanmis there a way to tell the upgrade-manager to use a local mirror?02:17
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sayerseeanm, use sources.list ?02:18
eeanmthe *update-manager changes the sources.list as part of its thing02:18
attunixI love the new elephant wallpaper! :D02:18
sayersoh02:18
attunixI don't really like the new "Simple Ubuntu"02:18
sayersI dont like the sound02:18
sayersit sounds really etchy02:19
DanaG!find /usr/share/avahi/enable_avahi 102:19
DanaGCan't enable Avahi in KDE.02:19
ubotuPackage/file /usr/share/avahi/enable_avahi does not exist in gutsy02:19
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cornellCan anyone tell me how to ssh into a ubuntu box in recovery mode?02:21
user_Any other Gutsy users have prob with firefox being a cpu hog after it has been open a while?02:22
VousDeuxalright, so here's what I think is going on...about an hour ago, the Adept Updater came up with more updates.02:22
VousDeuxI chose to update them all, but it left an error saying it couldn't install volumeid02:23
VousDeuxnow, the Adept Updater is acting goofy and wants to remove everything.02:24
eeanmgosh does that sound familiar02:24
eeanmI had some sort of problem with volumeid, I forget what though :)02:24
eeanmabout 8 months ago02:24
VousDeuxI tried to dpkg --configure -a, but is says: dpkg error processing volumeid02:24
XeroIf the computer site below my desk, would a Bluetooth dongle/Wiimote setup work?02:25
Xeros/site/sits02:25
VousDeuxit should work, bluetooth range isn't strong, but it's not line of sight02:25
Xeroso it's not a straight signal like some crappy remote.02:26
XeroIt's more like a radio.02:26
XeroRight?02:26
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VousDeuxyes02:27
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attunixXero: did you PM me?02:27
XeroOkay. Wiimote should work. Just need to tune it so that cwiid knows the "sensor bar" is below the "TV"02:27
Xeroattunix, no.02:27
attunixweird... my client keeps doing that02:27
attunixsorry02:27
Xeroits ok02:27
attunix:)02:28
DanaGHow do you enable zeroconf in kde?02:28
Nubbiehey guys, i'm so glad gutsy sorta fixed up sleep/hibernation so it doesn't hard lock anymore... but I was wondering if you guys could help me figure out how i could get suspend to work?02:28
XeroNVidia suspend/hiber still screws up like that.02:28
Nubbiei have intel 810 graphics02:29
XeroNow I'm jealous.02:29
Nubbieand i'm using the intel drivers02:29
Nubbiecan i make it work?02:29
DanaGI've never gotten an nvidia hard lock; I just get an all-black xorg.02:29
Nubbiedoes restarting xorg fix it for you at lease?02:30
Nubbieleast*02:30
ReL1KNubbie: intel's are having some major issues02:30
XeroNubbie, no. I have to reboot.02:30
ReL1Kalot of them are blacklisted02:30
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NubbieReL1K: really... if i used the i810 drivers instead, would I have better luck?02:30
Nubbieor does it not matter which drivers i'm using?02:31
Nubbieie: it's hardware issues...02:31
ReL1Kyea, actually there was a good artcile on that let me see if i can dig em up, the intel is still experimental, i hear the i810 works better in your case02:31
Nubbiethanks a lot02:31
Nubbieespecially with a laptop i'd love to have suspend working.02:31
Nubbieyou'd think intel would have their act together on this... it seems to me they're the only company who is actually helping with their open source drivers.02:32
ReL1Kyea, they are working on updates02:32
XeroePSXe is having problems... I'm gonna go reboot.02:32
Nubbiethats good news.02:32
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eeanmNubbie: did it work in Feisty?02:33
Nubbieeeanm: nah i've never had it working.02:33
eeanmok good :P02:33
Nubbieit's not a gutsy issue... its a permanent issue lol.02:33
eeanmmy intel-dominated Toshiba suspends just fine in Feisty and I'm upgrading right now02:33
Nubbieohh really?02:33
Nubbiei have intel everything in here.... CPU, Wireless, and graphics.02:33
eeanmyep same here02:34
XeroIntel everything here too except gfx card.02:34
Nubbiewhat graphics chip do you have?02:34
XeroMe?02:34
Nubbie810 i assume02:34
Nubbieeeanm <--02:34
XeroOld NVidia Geforce4 MX400002:34
Reabyis there a way to change _NET_WORKAREA by hand, i tried with devilspie to get an window panel status with no luck02:34
eeanmyea I don't really know, it works though02:34
eeanmlet me see02:34
Nubbielol.02:34
XeroWorks a bit better than the 810, but still not good.02:34
eeanma Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML02:34
eeanmaccording to lspci02:35
eeanmactually 1 in 10 times it doesn't work when I try to resume it02:35
Nubbiehey i can't even get it to sleep to begin with.02:36
eeanmah heh02:36
Nubbiebut gutsy is much better at preventing the hard locks fortunately.02:36
VousDeuxokay, I can't reinstall volumeid, and I can't remove it or it will trash the whole system, how can I fix it?02:36
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NubbieVousDeux: dance on one foot.02:37
eeanmVousDeux: hmm, doesn't apt-get have a reinstall thing?02:37
nosrednaekimin Gutsy...02:37
eeanmmaybe I made that up02:37
nosrednaekimthanks everyone!02:37
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eeanmVousDeux: yea there02:37
eeanmVousDeux: yea there's a --reinstall option02:38
ReL1Keeanm: i got the 965gm, have some major issues02:38
VousDeuxI tried apt-get install volumeid, but it gives me an error because volumeid is broken02:38
eeanmnopaste the error02:38
NubbieVousDeux: use the fix broken filter in synaptic02:39
eeanmReL1K: get a 945 then, it works fine ;)02:39
NubbieReL1K: were you able to dig up that article?02:39
ReL1KNubbie: nope sorry guy02:39
ReL1Keeanm: yea, let me downgrade :)02:39
Skiffguys I have WIn installed on SDE and Im also installing Gutsy on the same drive, I made 3 partitions for it and in advanced options I should specify boot loader I take it it should be also (sde) ? or I need to create a separate partition for bootloader and how will it work with win one?02:39
NubbieReL1K: thanks anyways.02:40
VousDeuxhttp://nopaste.com/p/aQNBH9ECq02:41
nosrednaekimSkiff: bootloader can go on any hard drive.02:41
nosrednaekimSkiff: and no need to create a separate partition.02:41
Skiffthnx02:41
Skiffso Im just going to install it on the same one02:42
NubbieReL1K: i'm trying pm-utils.02:42
Skiffty02:42
eeanmSkiff: nosrednaekim: well the bootloader needs to go on whatever the BIOS is going to boot02:42
eeanmso likely /dev/sda02:42
Skiffsde is one bios boots here02:42
Skiffeeanm, yeah thanks02:42
nosrednaekimSkiff: then yeah, put it on /dev/sde, which should be (hd4)02:43
Xeroyeah im gonna reboot02:43
XeroePSXe wont start02:43
SkiffI just hope its not going to screw up my win boot02:43
VousDeuxNubbie, Adept will not run properly without volumeid02:43
Skiffoops I specified sde instead of hd4 and pressed install :/02:44
SkiffI guess I will need to reinstall or I can edit it?02:44
VousDeuxeeanm, did you see my nopaste link?02:44
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nosrednaekimSkiff: ummm... it didn't give you an error?02:44
Skiffinstalling so far02:45
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NubbieReL1K: yeah that didn't end well.02:45
ReL1Klaff02:45
NubbieReL1K: it slept in a sense... but the screen didn't shut off, and pretty much every light on the damn thing was blinking. on the plus side though, my hard drive stopped spinning.02:46
Nubbielol02:46
nosrednaekimSkiff: weird...02:46
wabiDis there a way to have my window list sort like items, next to each other?02:46
Nubbieit was a hard lock.02:46
Skiffguys btw do you keep your /boot on a separate partition?02:47
NubbieReL1K: trying again with one of those quirks02:48
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NubbieReL1K: MY GOD IT WOOOORKS02:48
eeanmSkiff: I do... but I really forget why. Its mostly pointless I think.02:48
Nubbielol.02:48
Nubbiesudo pm-suspend --quirk-dpms-suspend02:48
Nubbieworks for me ;)02:49
nosrednaekimSkiff: I don02:49
nosrednaekimt02:49
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Nubbieis there any way I can use that command for sleeping all the time, like from the system > Quit... menu ?02:50
VousDeuxeeanm, any thoughts on my nopaste error?02:50
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nosrednaekimNubbie: sure, just add a new menu entry02:50
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Nubbienosrednaekim: do you have any idea how I would do that? is it accessible via a gconf key?02:51
Nubbiehow would I enter the sudo password?02:51
nosrednaekimNubbie: heh... I use KDE, where its a simple right-click.02:52
Nubbienothing about KDE is simple.02:52
VousDeuxNubbie, are you sure this one foot dance will help? I'm getting kinda tired.02:52
NubbieVousDeux: lol i've been dancing for a while now02:53
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Nubbieand i just got my laptop to suspend correctly.02:53
VousDeuxI wish I was having that much fun02:53
Nubbiei'm gonna go for a proper hibernation now02:53
VousDeuxall day it seems every time I fix one thing it breaks something else02:54
Nubbielol02:54
Nubbiemy problem is remembering all the fixes when i reinstall.02:54
Nubbiebrb i HOPE02:54
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nb-auso is anyone else getting broken dependencies or is it just me?02:56
TQuidOh yeah.02:56
nosrednaekimNubbie: KDE is simple02:56
TQuidError in volumeid's postinst script. I think I see it.02:56
nb-auyep02:56
nb-aucausing all kinds of probs here :P02:57
TQuidDoes a case statement *) case in shell normally end with ;;, or does the last one not take that?02:57
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VousDeuxmy voluemeid is broke too02:57
nosrednaekimnb-au: whats you broken dep on?02:57
nb-aunosrednaekim, volumeid is where it all starts02:57
NubbieReL1K: k it seemed to have hibernated correctly, writing to disk and all, however when powering on again, it just powered up normally.02:57
TQuidAh, yes, there it is.02:57
TQuidOK, guys, line 56, /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst, previous line should have the ";;" and it doesn't.02:58
nb-aui tried forcing it to complete the upgrade it was doing, and now if i tell synaptic to update all, it wants to remove nearly every package in my system, rofl02:58
TQuidA wee typo, looks like.02:58
nb-aufix and see if it works02:58
nosrednaekimNubbie: but did it seem faster?02:58
nosrednaekimNubbie: suspend to disk still has to go through grub02:58
Nubbienosrednaekim: yeah it still hit grub02:59
TQuidFixed!02:59
TQuidShould I submit a patch somewhere?02:59
Nubbienosrednaekim: it seemed like a very typical boot.02:59
nosrednaekimTQuid: #ubuntu-motu02:59
nb-ausweet, yeah you probably should :P02:59
TQuidDanke.02:59
Nubbiechien?02:59
nosrednaekimNubbie: hmm ok, did it come up to locked screen,. or to a login prompt?03:00
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Nubbienope, GDM as always.03:00
Nubbiei was expecting a login prompt.03:00
nb-auworks here too03:00
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bicchiI am running gutsy and the latest upgrade broke a few dependencies. are there any known problems with volumeid and udev?03:00
Nubbieerrr... yeah i was expecting the locked screen login prompt.03:00
Nubbieoh no....03:01
nb-aubicchi, yep volumeid03:01
Nubbiequeue the volumeid flood.03:01
nb-aueasy to fix03:01
nosrednaekimi'm confuzzlled..03:01
nb-au<TQuid> OK, guys, line 56, /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst, previous line should have the ";;" and it doesn't.03:01
nb-auadd that line in bicchi03:01
ReL1Kanyone else here using gutsy as main and virtualbox with vista as guest?03:02
nosrednaekimNubbie: queue it? I think its HERE...03:02
nosrednaekimReL1K: I was doing it with fiesty.03:02
nosrednaekimyesterday.03:02
Nubbiethere's only 3 people with the problem so far....03:03
ReL1Kmy cdrom isn't being detected03:03
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ReL1Kwas working ifne awhile ago03:03
bicchinb-au: thanks for the easy fix. I am surprised that this hasn't been corrected.03:03
nosrednaekimReL1K: worked for me... did you enable drive pass-through?03:03
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VousDeuxhey, that fixed it for me too...thanks!03:04
ReL1Khow do i do that? :P sorry03:04
bicchihow i have a bunch of packages that have been kept back.03:04
nb-auTQuid, you getting a problem with update manager now, or is it coz of me messing about before i bothered to read the error :(03:04
ReL1Kbicchi, we all do03:04
nosrednaekimReL1K: should be under settings->cdrom03:04
ReL1Knosrednaekim: Yea, its not even there is the problem03:04
ReL1Kcan't enable passthrough if its not showing my cdrom03:05
VousDeuxfunny how much damage ;; can do03:05
nosrednaekimReL1K: its not showing an option to enable /dev/cdrom as the cdrom?03:05
nb-auyoud think they would run the package themselves before uploading03:05
nb-auwould have also saved the big xorg failure a while back03:06
ReL1Knoper03:06
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nosrednaekimReL1K: is you cd drive otherwise working?03:07
ReL1Kyep03:07
bicchii hope that the ;; problem gets fixed soon since a bunch of people are now beta testing gutsy since it is in almost ready to be released.03:07
ReL1Kshows up on desktop03:07
ReL1Kcan click on it and everything03:07
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nosrednaekimReL1K: odd odd..03:07
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nb-auanyone getting problems with perl03:07
Nubbiek so pm-hibernate didn't work...03:08
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nb-auwants to update but wont without removing every other package in existance03:08
nb-aurofl03:08
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ReL1Kyea man i can't figur eit out :P03:08
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Nubbiewish me luck03:09
stonebearAnyone have an issue w/ the info boxes that popup on the pointer of a mouse, always being blacked out boxes?03:09
VousDeuxnot that it's really that big of a deal, but do you know if they plan to put the boot-time splash screens on the x86_64 version of kubuntu?03:10
VousDeuxthe little progress bar looks better than a black screen03:10
nosrednaekimVousDeux: splash is working here for me..03:10
nb-auVousDeux, afaik its a problem with all versions of x64 bit gutsy03:10
nosrednaekimof course, i'm still on alpha5 ;)03:10
nb-aui have no splash here on plain old buntu03:10
nb-audidnt in alpha either03:11
VousDeuxhmmm...the 32-bit live cd has one...it's kinda cool03:11
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VousDeuxokay, so this Adept Updater still wants to remove everything03:12
nb-aulol, so does mine03:12
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nb-aujust to get perl on03:12
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nb-au:/03:12
ReL1Kanyone else here use virtualbox?03:12
VousDeuxI would have given virtualbox a try had I known about it before I bought VMware03:13
nosrednaekimVousDeux: everything?03:13
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ReL1KVousDeux, how do you like VMware?03:13
ReL1Keasy to use?03:13
VousDeuxno,not everything, but 283 packages03:13
ReL1Kfairly good?03:13
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VousDeuxI've used vmware for years, it's very nice03:14
Nubbieyeah so that didn't work either....03:14
ReL1Keasy to install on gutsy?03:14
_dan_vmware works alot better tho on vista and xp, less bugs   but i like virtualbox03:14
Nubbievmware is pro. but you SHOULD use qemu.03:14
nosrednaekimvirtualbox is better inmho03:14
ReL1Kand can i use vdi's in vmware?03:14
ReL1Kvbox is better then vmware?03:14
VousDeuxit was very easy, yes, I was suprised03:14
nosrednaekimReL1K: I couldn't ever get vmware (server or player) installed03:15
VousDeuxI don't know what vdi's are03:15
_dan_ReL1K imho not, but its easier to use03:15
nosrednaekimVousDeux:  a vdi is basically a vmdk03:15
_dan_for example03:16
ReL1Kthnx03:16
_dan_streaming video isnt running smoothly in virtualbox/vista03:16
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_dan_tvuplayer isnt working properly in xp03:16
VousDeuxall I did was unpack the tarball and run the installer perl script...nothing fancy at all03:16
_dan_works tho in VMware03:16
penguincentral!ubotu03:16
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ReL1Khmmm mebbe i should switch, need to see if i can use a vdi though03:16
penguincentral!microsoft | _dan_03:17
ubotu_dan_: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents03:17
_dan_PecisDarbs u missed what the discussion is all about03:17
_dan_penguincentral sry03:17
nb-au!equivalents03:18
ubotuA comprehensive list of of Windows-equivalent applications in Linux can be found at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WhatWindowsUsersWant03:18
penguincentral_dan_: that's ok.  Just remember that this is the ubuntu+1 channel, not the ignorent_microsoft_users channel ;)03:18
ReL1KNICE!03:19
ReL1Kjust ficed cdro missue03:19
ReL1Kcdrom03:19
_dan_penguincentral well i was simply giving examples what does not work so well in virtualbox but works in vmware, i dont even have a windows installed on that machine03:19
Nubbieso when does #ubuntu+2 party start?03:19
ReL1Kit was mapping to cdrom1 in /dev/03:19
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ReL1Kso i did a export VBOX_CDROM='/dev/cdrom1'03:19
ReL1Kfixed03:19
nosrednaekimsweet03:19
VousDeuxso, does anyone know how to make this Adept Updater stop trying to remove all of this important stuff like adept, xorg, kde...you know, useful stuff03:19
penguincentral_dan_: ok then.03:19
penguincentralcarry on03:19
_dan_i was finished :P03:19
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saeedhi all03:20
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nb-auVousDeux, is yours hanging on perl like mine?03:20
saeedanybody knows how do I get to compiz-fusion settings control03:20
nb-ausaeed, its in system -> preferences03:20
VousDeuxno, the last time I ran it, it messed up on volumeid03:20
AmyRosesaeed: You need to have the compizconfig settings manager installed first03:20
saeedI tried it03:21
VousDeuxthe volumeid problem seems to be okay now03:21
nb-auVousDeux, apply the fix above03:21
saeedall I could find is 3 options03:21
AmyRoseIn KDE, it's under Settings03:21
saeedno 3d, simple 3d and advanced 3d03:21
ReL1Kdoes everyone have like 15 things held back in apt? like a bunch of openoffice?03:21
saeednothing else03:21
devaudiohow can i change the default spot for where new application windows open? i have dual monitors, and appliations open up in the middle, right on the black bar between to monitors03:21
nb-auReL1K, i did, but i foorced them to install03:21
saeeddo I install compiz-config from synaptic?03:21
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nb-aui widdled the list down to perl, perl-base, and libperl03:22
AmyRosesaeed: Did you install compizconfig-settings-manager ?03:22
nb-auwhich wont install no matter what, and want to remove EVERY package in my system03:22
VousDeuxnb-au, what fix? I already did the volumeid thing...did I miss something else?03:22
devaudioand on a side note, i must say Xgl + ati binary driver + compiz is pretty slick03:22
saeednope, I haven't installed it yet03:22
nb-auVousDeux, i thought u were still having probs with volumeid03:22
AmyRosedevaudio: It's sweeter on Nvidia :)03:23
devaudioyeah03:23
nb-auAmyRose, indeed :P03:23
devaudioi know03:23
VousDeuxno, I was just trying to answer your question about perl03:23
devaudiobut tough to change out my laptop video card03:23
devaudio;)03:23
AmyRosedevaudio: I know how that goes...03:23
nb-auVousDeux, ah okies :)03:23
AmyRoseMy first laptop had an ATI Mobility Radeon 7000 and it sucked03:23
VousDeuxafter I had the problem with volumeid, then it started trying to remove all of this other stuff03:23
nb-aumy old laptop had a 200M, devil  spawn i tell ye all03:24
devaudiorenderer string: ATI MOBILITY RADEON X30003:24
VousDeuxnow, I won't be able to use it until I can get it to stop trying to remove everything03:24
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nosrednaekimnb-au: eh... my 200M is working good :)03:24
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VousDeuxI tried dpkg --configure -a03:24
nb-auVousDeux, i think we have diffenrent problems then, as mine wants to remove EVERYTHING03:24
nb-aunosrednaekim, yeah, its just insanely slow03:25
nosrednaekimnb-au: really? mine is decently fast...03:25
AmyRoseMy current laptop ( a free secondhand gift :) ) has an nVidia GeForce 4 420 Go chipset and I could not be more pleased with it...03:25
VousDeuxoh, mine says I have 1041 installed and it wants to remove 283 of them03:25
XeroePSXe won't start. Any ideas?03:25
nb-aunosrednaekim, i assume youve probably got 8.41.7 on it03:25
XeroIt doesn't even give me acknowledgement that the core is dumped.03:25
VousDeuxbut those 283 would trash everything03:25
AmyRoseXero: I recommend PSX instead03:25
lchis it broken at the moment? i have dependency errors with xserver-xorg-video-all03:25
nosrednaekimnb-au: lol.. actually I have a Xpress1100 which is the same chipset, and no I don't have that on it.03:25
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XeroAmyRose, PCSX can't play from CDs, the sound is horrible, and so are the graphics.03:26
AmyRoseXero: PSX, *not* PCSX03:26
VousDeuxI'm getting to where I don't trust this updater much03:26
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nosrednaekimheh03:26
XeroThe normal PSX is sold, the PS2 is at my other house.03:26
lixHi. How can I become (contribute) an official gutsy beta mirror (http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta) ?03:26
VousDeuxit already removed some of my programs03:26
AmyRoseXero: No, there is another PlayStation emulator called PSX03:26
Xerooh03:27
XeroWhere is it? Googling would just come up with the console 10000+ times.03:27
ReL1Kanyone know if you can use a vdi in vmware?03:27
VousDeuxand a couple of weeks ago I tried to install something simple and it removed my whole gui environment03:27
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nb-auVousDeux, how are you getting the numbers of each, ill report back what mine says03:28
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AmyRoseXero: http://psxemulator.gazaxian.com/03:28
VousDeuxwell, at least I'm getting a lot of good practice, but eventually I would like to actually be able to use this thing03:28
VousDeuxnb-au, they are at the bottom of the Adept Updater on mine03:28
nb-auwell,  mine says failed to mark all available updates03:29
nb-aurofl03:29
AmyRoseXero: There is a repo with Feisty debs too, but as this is the Gutsy channel... well, you get the idea03:29
VousDeuxyeah, I'd say your problem is different, but similar03:30
XeroAmyRose, pSX is slow (amazingly slow for some reason) booting up03:30
Xerobut the games play fine03:30
nb-auwait03:30
lixHi. How can I become an official gutsy beta mirror? Git 100 MBit uplink!03:30
nb-augot numbers now03:30
nb-aumissed them before03:30
nb-auwants to remove 34503:30
nb-auto add 203:30
devaudioare there plans for including kiba-dock in gutsy?03:30
nosrednaekimlix: maybe host a bittorent seed03:31
nb-au345/1100ish, so not everything, but well anything that relies on a gui03:31
nb-aulol03:31
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AmyRoseXero: Oh, I hope you have better luck with it... I liked pSX better so I have not used ePSXe in a while now03:31
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VousDeuxnb-au, so, we are in about the same boat then03:31
nb-auyep03:32
XeroAmyRose, it seems to be working quite well.03:32
cliechtii have problems updating gutsy. i'm running it since a few months but now i have broken dependencies03:32
XeroI use a japanese BIOS, so I can boot NTSC/PAL games.03:32
AmyRoseAh03:32
cliechtiis it broken at the moment? i have dependency errors with xserver-xorg-video-all03:32
XeroSCPH1000 no regionlock03:32
nb-aucliechti, yep im getting similar here03:32
AmyRosecool, Xero03:32
VousDeuxcliechti, do you have it configured to install from pre-release repositories?03:32
cliechtinb-au: ok so waiting may solve the issue :-)03:33
nb-aucliechti, im also getting all kinds of strange crap going on, so what pc is experiencing may not be appliacable03:33
cliechtiVousDeux: i used the update manager to switch to gutsy back then03:33
VousDeuxI had a problem with broken dependencies earlier, with regards to my nvidia, I had to enable pre-release repositories03:34
cliechtiVousDeux: apt/sources.list references "htp://mirror gutsy ..."03:34
chronographerHello. Anyone aware of a prolem with msttcorefonts in gutsy? apt keps timing out when trying to get them from sourceforge03:35
VousDeuxthat rotten updater even broke my vmware03:35
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Assidyoza03:36
nb-auVousDeux, so your system isnt runnable?03:36
XeroCompiz+MediEvil 2 = lol.03:36
cliechtithe update manager does not longer  work here, since a few months already. it displays the packages but it wont do anything on "install" i used apt-get the last few times03:37
VousDeuxyes, it's running, but I can't use the updater anymore until it will stop trying to remove all of this stuff03:37
nb-auah03:37
VousDeuxI'm afraid to try an install anything because it won't let me change the status from 'remove'03:37
nb-auif its like mine, telling it to install will fail anyway03:38
ReL1Kso whats everyones opinions for vmware workstation vs virtualbox?03:38
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tomazhelp, i'm using kubuntu 7.10 beta, and strigidaemon is taking too much cpu all the time.03:39
chronographerI have only used vBox and I think its great03:39
tomazthe strigi database is about 1gb03:39
tomazand i need to kill it every reboot03:39
XeroMy only objection to pSX is that the BIOS is very choppy03:39
cliechtiReL1K: i dont know vmware but virtualbox runs fine here. installing ubuntu on a windows host was a bit slow though. windows on my linux box is fast03:39
VousDeuxI cleared the boxes for installed and requested, Adept Manager doesn't show anything waiting to be removed...only the updater I guess03:40
Assidhrmmm anyone here running a c2q?03:40
VousDeuxI'm going to try installing firefox03:40
VousDeuxit worked03:40
chronographerHow canI add mpd to the services which start at start up?03:41
nb-aui think i might have found my problem03:41
tomazsomebody?03:41
nb-auperl-modules hasnt been update yet03:41
nb-au:|03:41
ReL1Kthnx03:42
ReL1Kyea i got linux running windows, find it very fast on virtualbox03:42
VousDeuxmaybe try updating those from the command-line03:42
Assidlinux guest ? host?03:43
Assidi tried it with vmware.. its pretty decently fast.. nothinng like native tho03:43
nosrednaekimtomaz: I run kubuntu, but i'm still back on alpha5.03:44
nosrednaekimtomaz: and no strigi03:44
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TQuidnb-au, thanks for the followup, I have submitted a patch.03:45
tomazno strigi?03:46
tomazi'm thinking about removing it,03:46
tomazis taking away way too many resources.03:46
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Assidi keep trying gutsy but something or another goes wrong for me :(03:46
saeedhi guys03:46
Assidlast time didnt install properly03:46
Assidand it killed my mbr03:46
saeedhow do I put 4 desktops on my system?03:46
saeedI ve installed compiz-fusion03:46
nb-auAssid, when i had alpha 3, it wouldnt even install proerly on system with more then one hdd ;P03:47
saeedbut I have only 2 desktops03:47
saeedhow do I make it 4 desktops03:47
saeedso I can use the 3d cube03:47
nb-ausaeed, rofl, rightclick -> preferences03:47
Assidnb-au: yeah.. after that som time back compiz refused to work with borders03:47
Assidand emerald refused to install emerald-themes03:47
saeedwhere?03:47
saeedright-click?03:47
nb-auon the 2desktops03:47
saeedI can't even see the 2 desktops03:48
saeedall I know is that when I flip the desktops03:48
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nb-auu just said u have 2 desktops03:48
saeedI have 2 sides03:48
nosrednaekimtomaz: yeah..remove it.03:48
nb-aushould be next to the garbage bin03:48
saeedgot it03:48
saeedthanks03:48
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saeedhow do I add more desktops?03:49
nb-auin prefences put it upto 403:49
nb-authe number of workspaces03:50
saeedI don't have that option03:50
saeedhow do I add it03:50
saeed?03:50
nb-auyes you do03:50
nb-aulol03:50
Assidim gonna try loading up gutsy one last time later in a day or so... else im sticking to xp03:50
nosrednaekimAssid: ouch... what a threat.03:50
saeedall I have under preferences03:50
Nubbiegutsy is beta software.03:50
nb-auAssid, your coming from XP to a beta release of aa system not ready for a month03:50
Assidnosrednaekim: you keep wanting to shift.. but stupid things break :(03:50
nb-auinstall feisty03:50
Nubbieyou should have expected beta software to have bugs.03:51
nosrednaekimAssid: I understand... but doesn't fiesty work?03:51
Assidnb-au:  i used to have gutsy before.. it worked better if you installed feisty and then upgraded  to gutsy03:51
saeedI don't have any options for adding more desktops03:51
Assidnosrednaekim: i prefer the direct support for compiz etc.03:51
nb-ausaeed, its there, number of workspaces03:52
saeedall I have is workspace switcher03:52
saeednope03:52
saeedI swear03:52
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nosrednaekimAssid: did you try any other distros?03:52
nb-auAssid, if your just coming over from windows you shouldnt be using a beta release03:52
steven_it seems like all the ports are closed03:52
steven_so torrents arent being to nice...03:52
nb-aumainly coz if it fscks up, u cant fix it03:52
Assidnosrednaekim: plus i have pretty new hardware .. i would prefer gutsy as it would have the latest kernel03:52
nosrednaekimAssid: whats breaking then?03:52
Assidnosrednaekim: nah.. i like debian based systems03:52
nb-auAssid, how new? if feisty runs install it03:53
saeedall I have is "workspace switcher"03:53
cliechtisaeed: you can select the number of workspaces in the preferences of the switcher applet03:53
Assidnb-au: feisty on my p4 machine. i JUST got my core2quad03:53
Nubbiei think feisty just received a kernel update yesterday or the day before..03:53
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nb-auAssid, will feisty install on it?03:53
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nb-auif it does, use it03:53
Assidnosrednaekim: atheros l1 gigabit ethernet didnt catch.. libpython2.5.so  missing..  mbr corrupt03:53
nb-auonly use gutsy if you have to03:54
nb-auor know what your doing or both03:54
Assidnb-au: it was more "stable" before03:54
TQuidYeah, I went to gutsy when I could not get atheros to work in feisty.03:54
nb-auAssid, no it wasnt :P03:54
nb-aui went to gutsy, to fix bugs, then when my new pc arrived i had no choice03:54
nosrednaekimAssid: probably all issues you could have avoided with fiesty........03:54
Assidnb-au: must have tbeen the underlying feisty at that time.. cause i remember as tribe 3 and 4 came in.. my machine went bonkers03:54
nb-auAssid, ahhh, well i went gutsy at tribe 303:55
Nubbiebecause tribes 3 and 4 were ALPHA SOFTWARE.03:55
saeedhow about if I don't have the number of workspaces?03:55
Assidtribe 2 for me on the p4 was nice.. even the printer and OO worked03:55
nb-ausaeed, you do, if u dont ur doing something wrong03:56
riotkittiewow. it only took 5 attempts but i've finally got the beta installed and running.03:56
nb-auriotkittie, welcome to bug central :D03:56
saeedOK, let me tell you what I am doing03:56
saeednext to the trash bin, there are 2 squares03:56
nb-auyep03:56
nb-auright click03:56
saeedif I click on anyone, the workspace switches03:56
nb-auon them03:56
saeedI have 2 of them03:56
saeedI right clicked on them03:57
saeedthere's preferences03:57
nb-augoto preferences03:57
saeedI clicked on it03:57
riotkittiewhat number of workspaces? in the panel  thingie?03:57
saeedbut it said the following03:57
Nubbiesaeed: do you have effects enabled...03:57
saeed203:57
saeedyes, I have effects enebaled03:57
riotkittiesaeed: try going to system > appearance ... if you have tabs there, it will be on one of the tabs. if not, install compiz-settings-manager03:57
Nubbiesaeed: so why don't you add desktops in GL Desktop menu?03:57
riotkittieor something similar. i'm not 100% pos thats the package name03:57
Assidlets see.. i might play with it  maybe on sunday or so03:57
Assidalready downloaded the latest beta03:57
nosrednaekimriotkittie: I know the executable is called ccsm03:58
Nubbiesaeed: System > Preferences > GL Desktop03:58
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Assidbest part is .. ive gotten 3 people onto macs03:58
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Assidlol03:58
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Nubbiemacs are disgusting.03:58
XeroIndeed03:58
Assidnah.. they are nice03:58
XeroThey thought your Linux was a Mac? Noobs.03:58
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Nubbieyou can get a equal or better intel laptop for less money.03:59
Assidnah03:59
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Assidi told them that there are other OS's out there.. and mac is one of them..03:59
nb-auyou can get a better amd laptop for even less :P03:59
Nubbieyeah everybody thinks i somehow installed OSX onto a sony laptop.03:59
Assid1 of them lost it when i said look no exes and "virii"03:59
nb-auits viruses03:59
Assidnb-au: yeah well rm -rf / would be a virus too04:00
Nubbielol.04:00
Assidhence the quote04:00
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Nubbiesudo rm -R /04:00
Nubbiedo it.04:00
DanaGNo.04:00
Nubbielol04:00
Nubbiei was joking04:00
Assidi have to keep reminding them its a nix based system thats why it performing well04:00
DanaGThat's bad to even joke about!04:00
nosrednaekimNubbie: you are not supposed to be doing that.04:00
Nubbieright i'm sorry guys04:01
Assidseriously these ghuys were just brainwashed into thinking windows is the only OS out there04:01
Nubbiei have nuked my own system once... when i first started using linux... running the file manager as a superuser...04:01
NubbieAssid: it is, i don't know what you're talking about.04:01
Assidalthough yeah.. i like the out of the box support for most of the stuff. WPA-PSK in wifi / synchronising your phone etc.04:02
XeroGood the night, persons.04:02
Nubbieyou can sync your phone in linux.04:02
cliechti.... /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst: 56: Syntax error: ")" unexpected (expecting ";;")04:02
XeroI shall do the talkings to thine faces in the tomorrowtime.04:02
Nubbiemultisync syncs your phones.04:03
nosrednaekimcliechti: <TQuid> OK, guys, line 56, /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst, previous line should have the ";;" and it doesn't.04:03
AssidNubbie: yeah first you hcitool  then multisync and all that04:03
nb-au<TQuid> OK, guys, line 56, /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst, previous line should have the ";;" and it doesn't.04:03
nb-auarg beaten04:03
nosrednaekimlol04:03
nb-aulol04:03
Assidneeds to be a bit more simpler04:03
nosrednaekimbeaten again HA!04:03
nb-audamn you :'(04:03
nb-au:P04:03
nosrednaekimlol04:04
TQuidAs long as you guys are repeating my words, here is the link to the launchpad bug report:04:04
TQuidhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/14651304:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 146513 in udev "package volumeid 113-0ubuntu13 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Confirmed] 04:04
Nubbiei'm still trying to figure out hibernation04:04
XeroOh hell. So I shouldn't install updates to volumeid?04:04
nb-auXero, its an easy fix04:05
Nubbiewhat would happen if you purged it, then reinstalled it?04:05
XeroTrue enough.04:05
TQuidXero, well, you can just pop in that line and re-run dpkg --configure04:05
Nubbieforcibly...04:05
AssidNubbie: you ever used isync ? or nokia pc suite on windows?04:05
XeroNope nope nope. Never heard of the Windy Dose.04:05
NubbieAssid: i stay away from macintosh. and i haven't used windows in 4 years.04:05
Assidlucky you04:06
Nubbiebut i will tell you this, multisync took all of 3 minutes to get going.04:06
TQuidI'm a sysadmin by trade. i get to use Windows. Sigh.04:06
Assidagain.. luycky you.. last time i tried on feisty.. it just refused to..04:06
XeroWindee Dose are bad bad bad bad for you I hear.04:06
Nubbiedoes your phone and computer have bluetooth?04:06
Assidi did managed to get most of the bluetooth explorer working04:06
Assidyeah04:06
cliechtiTQuid: you need to know the bad things to value the good ones ;-)04:06
Assidalthough i do prefer cable04:06
TQuidcliechti, sure. :)04:07
XeroIt makey the boomboom in the compooter parts04:07
Nubbiethe hardest thing for me with multisync was finding out which terminal it was connecting with.04:07
Xeroand not works anymore and gives you no fweeeeeeeeeeeeedum04:07
Xerothe windy dose are bad.04:07
Assidhrmm what about support for those cheap end chinese cameras04:07
Nubbieplus buying a good phone with proper UMS is a good idea.04:07
Assidi got a nokia e6104:07
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TQuidI can't get the nicer 3d games to work with my crap-ass Intel gfx card, that's my only complaint. Booting in less than a minute is pretty sweet.04:07
Assidthink it supports opensync04:07
XeroMine takes a bit longer. It uses Samba server, Apache, etc.04:08
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Assidhrmm04:08
XeroMine takes about 2 mins to boot including GUI and all servers.04:08
Assidnb-au: i got the evga 8600gts04:08
nb-auhehe kewl04:08
XeroMPD, Apache, Samba, Virtualization, KVM, NVidia module, GUI all loaded in 2 minutes.04:08
Assidapparently evga gives it superclocked04:08
nb-audual core 6000+, and 4GB ram :P04:08
TQuidThe main pride of my < 1-wk old machine is that I finally have RAID1 at home. This of course makes me a huge stud and I get dates like anything.04:09
XeroIf windows had to do that, it would take about 10 minutes.04:09
Skiffguys if I dont specify /home it will just be on the same partition as / ?04:09
nosrednaekimTQuid: lol04:09
TQuidSkiff, yep.04:09
XeroSkiff, yes.04:09
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Skiffty04:09
Assidnb-au: core2quad Q6600 @3.29 o/c but with only 2GB corsair04:09
XeroOkay personages. Sleeping tiem is now.04:09
XeroGood the nightings.04:09
TQuidAssid: good lord.04:09
AssidTQuid: i used windows04:10
Assidhehe04:10
Assidim excused04:10
nosrednaekimI want a barcelona...04:10
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TQuidI had to go through some hell getting this thing put together, turned out the FSB speed was incompatible betwixt the first cpu + mobo I got.04:10
nosrednaekim$340 for a quad core.04:10
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Assidnosrednaekim: not bad.. or wait for the penryns04:10
nb-auAssid, 2gb is more then enough ive never seen my 4gb over 10% used, rofl, a tad of overkill on my part i think04:11
TQuidI was trying to replace a dead machine so I could write my final paper for B.A. Justice Studies degree. Never, ever, build a computer in a hurry.04:11
nosrednaekimAssid: you can't ALWAYS keep on waiting.04:11
nb-auwill be used when i install some games in wine but04:11
nosrednaekim;)04:11
Assidnosrednaekim: yeah one of the reasons why i bougth this rig.. i just got it last week04:12
Assidnosrednaekim: one of the reasons why i wanna move away to linux SOON.. dont wanna keep waiting for MS to remove an OS that doesnt need 8GB of ram04:12
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TQuidI gotta get wine figured.04:13
nosrednaekimAssid: try gutsy in about 3 weeks when its all finished.04:13
TQuidPeople have been telling me it "just works" but that's not my experience so far.04:13
Assidi think my biggest accomplishment was to move my bro and his friend onto a mac.. they both were MS fan boys.. according to them if it ran MS, it had to be good cause they were the richest software co.04:14
TQuidAssid: yeah, and the USA is the best country because it's richest.04:14
TQuid*cough*04:14
Assidnosrednaekim: honestly.. once im settled in, im gonna feel realllly lazy to wanna shift later04:14
Assidrichest ?04:14
DanaGMac isn't for me -- I can't stand one-corner-only browsing, and one-button touchpad without 2- and 3-finger tapping.04:14
nb-auinserts more coughing04:14
nb-auMUCH MORE COUGHING04:14
nb-au:)04:15
DanaG2-fingers-plus-button doesn't count.04:15
nosrednaekimTQuid: I was just about to say that04:15
TQuidNot to dis too much my fine American friends, speaking as a hybrid CanuckiMerican myself.04:15
AssidDanaG: thats why they came out with the "mighty mouse"04:15
Assidofcourse apple is too arrogant to say "we screwed up"04:15
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Assidbut seriously tho.. the prices you guys spend for computers in the US, vs what we spend here is just EVIL04:16
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DanaGBut I need a good touchpad.04:16
Assidi need a better monitor04:16
DanaGI love using a good touchpad; regular mice cause more RSI for me.04:16
TQuidWhere ya at, Assid? I probably get screwed even worse in Canada.04:16
TiaGo|SouZaany tips on how to activate the compiz effects on ATI ?!04:17
TiaGo|SouZaI already installed xgl04:17
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AssidTQuid: india04:17
Assidwe normally spend 20% higher here for high end parts04:18
nb-auTiaGo|SouZa, they were disabled in the latest drivers if u did an envy instal iirc04:18
nb-auget new version of envy04:18
nosrednaekimTiaGo|SouZa: umm did you log into a XGL session?04:18
DanaGWhy use envy?  It's one of those seven sins.......... (joke.)04:18
nb-auAssid, cant imagine your prices been much more expensive then here in Oz04:18
TiaGo|SouZanosrednaekim: yeap04:19
TiaGo|SouZaI'm on XGL session04:19
TiaGo|SouZaat least gusty told me so04:19
TiaGo|SouZa:P04:19
Assidnb-au: the 8600GTS here is like $27504:19
nosrednaekimTiaGo|SouZa: run the command "compiz --replace"04:19
nb-ausame, ebay was my friend though :P04:19
TiaGo|SouZanb-au: envy doesn't work!04:19
TiaGo|SouZa:D04:19
nb-augot mine for 21504:19
TiaGo|SouZaI'm on my on04:19
nb-auTiaGo|SouZa, you can hack it04:19
Assidnb-au: ASUS P5KC - 237.504:19
DanaGYou can just install nvidia drivers yourself.04:19
DanaGOr use the nvidia-glx-new package -- it's 100.14.19, I think.04:20
TQuidI thought nvidia was part of -restricted now.04:20
nb-auyeah it is lol04:20
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TQuidSpeaking of gfx, what's a decent pci-e card that won't break the bank?04:20
TiaGo|SouZanb-au: I don't know how04:20
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AssidTQuid: 8500 or 8600GTS04:20
nosrednaekimTQuid: the new ATI ones.04:20
AssidATI on linux ?!04:20
Assidi thoguht the support was bad04:21
TiaGo|SouZashortly, I'll have to download the latest ATI drivers from their site, and then install it04:21
chronographerHello I got a problem. i run dpkg-reconfigure mpd and i get this response start-stop-daemon: --start needs --exec or --startas Try `start-stop-daemon --help' for more information.04:21
TiaGo|SouZaam I right?!04:21
Skiffguys I get this error while installing "migration-assistant needs to mount a partition but cannot do so because the following mount point could not be unmounted : /mnt/migrationassistant     please close any applications using these mount points ( I dont have anything opened in the live cd)      any idea what it is?04:21
nb-auTiaGo|SouZa, theres howtos floating around, your probably better off with the 8.41's if ur running r500/600 card04:21
TiaGo|SouZahm04:21
nosrednaekimAssid: it just got a whole lot better04:21
nb-auenvy doesnt support that driver yet but04:21
Assidreally? then why did i buy this?04:21
nosrednaekimSkiff: you on beta?04:21
nosrednaekimAssid: because it just got better like 3 weeks ago04:21
AssidTQuid: you can get the 8600GTS in the US for 165 bucks04:21
nb-auAssid, nv still has perf. crown04:21
Skiffnosrednaekim, yeah04:22
TiaGo|SouZano, the latest driver for my card is still 8.4004:22
TiaGo|SouZa:S04:22
nosrednaekimSkiff: that made my install crash too.04:22
Skiffnosrednaekim, so how did you install it?04:22
nb-auTiaGo|SouZa, which card?04:22
TQuidSkiff, lsof will usually give a clue.04:22
Assidhrmm i think my machine just migfht be overkill for my usage04:22
nosrednaekimSkiff: I went back to an old kubuntu alpha 504:22
Assiddeveloping php scripts :|04:22
TiaGo|SouZaX130004:22
nb-auAssid, it is04:22
Skiffnosrednaekim, ah gotcha04:22
Skiffso its a known issue I take it04:22
buttercupsskiff:  same here, went back to old 5 and updated04:22
TiaGo|SouZaI already look for it in ATI site04:22
Assidhrmm might just run boinc04:23
TiaGo|SouZa8.4004:23
nb-aui can have several things running one core on 1-2% and the other on nil04:23
nosrednaekimTiaGo|SouZa: just use the restricted-manager04:23
DanaGOpen-source drivers haven't gotten far yet... these things take time.04:23
TQuidAssid, $149 at the place 2 blocks from my place.04:23
TiaGo|SouZait didn't work04:23
AssidTQuid: nice..04:23
TiaGo|SouZaactually, the restricted manager brought me a lot of bugs instead!04:23
TiaGo|SouZathe graphics turn to be very slow and bugful04:24
TiaGo|SouZadon't know why04:24
TQuidThat's the Asus version Assid, is that the one you meant?04:24
AssidTQuid: id go with the evga or xfx04:24
Assidprimarily xf04:24
Assidxfx04:25
TQuidHrm, seems like Asus is the main thing this joint carries.04:25
TQuidLet's try ncix.04:26
TQuidWhat's to choose among gfx card manufacturers anyway? i quite like Asus for mobo's, for example.04:26
TiaGo|SouZaok, I just thought that gusty would do all that by itself..sorry for that04:26
TiaGo|SouZaI know how to install the ATI restricted driver04:27
nb-auall graphics cards are basically the same, manufacturers only matter if you want to OC04:27
AssidTQuid: xfx is the most recommended if your using the 8600GTS .. some companies used HDCP support/compatible and some actually carry the HDCP chip04:27
Assidnb-au: wrong04:27
Skiffwhen I try enabling restricted drivers I get the software source for the package xorg-driver-fglrx is not enabled, well how do I enable it?04:27
nb-auAssid, not wrong :)04:28
Assidyeah04:28
Assidlike your card has HDCP chip04:28
nosrednaekimSkiff: enable universe and multiverse and run apt-get update04:28
Assidmine just supports hdcp04:28
Skiffnosrednaekim, universe and mutivrse how?04:28
TQuid'course I should probably get that WRT54GL router first.04:28
nb-auAssid, by the time we need HDCP, we wont be running our current cards04:29
nosrednaekimSkiff: open up synaptic/adept and go to manage repositories and make sure those repositores are enabled, then update the package lists04:29
TQuidConsidering the D-link crap thing is slowing me down 5x.04:29
Assidnb-au: i dont plan to upgrade anytime soon04:29
Assidatleast for the next 4 years04:29
nb-auhell ill probably even have a HDCP compat lcd by then :P04:29
TQuidWhat the hey is hdcp?04:29
Assidthis machine costed me a pretty penny04:29
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AssidTQuid: you need it if you ever wanna play real high def content .. blue ray movies included04:30
nb-auTQuid, that tech for bluray/hd-dvd that makes sure ur not copying whatever it is, u need to support it if u want full res on windows04:30
nb-auon linux we just hacked around it :P04:30
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TQuidI don't think the drive I have will do that.04:30
nb-auu have a bluray/hddvd drive?04:30
TQuidNope, just DVD DL blahblah04:31
nb-auyeah same04:31
chronographerhey all anyone want to havea guess at why sudo dpkg-reconfigure mpd  returns an error of something to do with the daemon?  and also how to get mpd running as a service at startup without using dpkg????????04:31
TQuidchkconfig mpd on?04:31
chronographer??04:31
chronographerwhat is that04:31
TQuidThat's the traditional "make this go as a service." I'm not sure Deb-derived does that though.04:31
chronographercommand not found04:32
TQuidHuh.04:32
chronographermustn't be a debia thing?04:32
TQuidWell it's using SysV-style init.04:32
nosrednaekimwell...actually its trying to go to upstart..04:32
Assidnb-au: actually since im planning to do some pc gaming.. the main idea when i got this is to keep windows for gaming and extra crap and linux for my work and everythiung else and use wine for the likes of dreamweaver04:32
nosrednaekimwihch may be why04:32
Skiffnosrednaekim, how do I enable universe and multiverse? because when I run apt-get update  Iget and error04:33
TQuidHm, this is fancier than chkconfig, some kinda dependency thing . . .04:33
nosrednaekimSkiff: what error>04:33
chronographeri can run mpd. using sudo mpd04:33
chronographerits fine04:33
TQuidWhat the heck IS the command-line tool to fiddle the init files?04:33
chronographeri just want it to start at boot and cant use dpkg04:33
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nb-auadd the command to startup?04:34
chronographeror need to fix this dpkg error04:34
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chronographerit needs a password04:34
chronographerdoesn't it?04:34
SkiffE; could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock open (11 resource temporarily unavailable04:34
nb-autry it04:34
SkiffE; unable to lock the list directory04:34
nosrednaekim!adeptfix | Skiff04:34
ubotuSkiff: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 04:34
nb-auso was anyone else offered this broken perl update?04:35
nb-auor am i the only one :(04:35
nosrednaekimI'm out ya'lll have fun.04:35
Skiffnosrednaekim, worked04:35
Skiffthanks04:35
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nickrudsear_yoda: tried the apt-get -f install yet?04:35
sear_yodai've tried it before with mixed luck; i've been forcing packges left and right for awhile04:36
chronographermaybe i will purge mpd and install again... apt-get --purge mpd is right right?04:36
sear_yodaright now it's picked up a bunch more packages, i'm letting that run04:36
sear_yodathe main thing is getting update-manager to not throw the error: A unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.04:37
CountXcan i get a woop woop04:37
CountX:)04:37
nickrudsear_yoda: forget update manager, you're in apt-get & aptitude territory now04:37
sear_yodanickrud, i'm fine with that, i just know the reccomended way of doing a dist upgrade is with that04:37
Skiffok restarting with restricted drivers, lets see how this new badboy will look04:38
nickrudsear_yoda: yes, but it's totally useless for fixing a borked upgrade.04:38
sear_yodai did find a bug in volumeid's postinst script04:38
sear_yodait was missing a ;; and that was causing some problems04:38
CountXborked?04:38
nickrudhm, I haven't got that upgrade yet. I'll hold it for a while, thanks :)04:38
CountXthats a new one04:38
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nb-ausear-yoda welcome to my world04:39
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nb-auwiddled it down to just the perl updates yet :p04:39
nickrudfrom the senate confirmation hearings of robert bork, who the right claims was screwed. Borked is now a verb04:39
HHornblowerHey all. Have an odd question. Both Adept and Synaptic want to upgrade 64 packages and remove 996... essentially all of KDE.04:39
HHornblowerany clue why?04:39
CountXshould i go to winehq, or here for help with getting BF2 playing on ubuntu?04:39
nb-auCountX, winehq04:40
CountXthey said to go here04:40
CountXlol04:40
nickrudHHornblower: try apt-get upgrade , compare that as well04:40
nb-auHHornblower, coz gutsy has shat itself :)04:40
HHornblowernb-au: thanks for the tip. ;)04:40
HHornblowernickrud: roger04:40
nb-aui managed to fix everything on mine by forcing upgrades, etc. except ive got only perl left which requires a non-existant dependancy04:41
Skiffhmm I restarted with restricted drivers, saw the ubuntu logo loading and then blank screen :/04:41
nickrudnb-au: the package doesn't exist, but perl claims it needs it??04:41
nb-auSkiff, will reappear at login probably04:41
nb-aunickrud, yep04:41
HHornblowernickrud: hmmm. that shows only the upgrades.04:41
Skiffnb-au, well its been 2 min04:41
nb-aunickrud, perl-modules 5.8.8-7ubuntu304:42
nickrudHHornblower: yup, gutsy is seriously out of whack then.04:42
HHornblowergotcha.04:42
HHornblowernickrud: so, just use apt-get for the time being?04:42
sear_yodahere's a general question for ya - what constitutes running 7.10? using the 7.10 package set?04:42
nb-aunickrud, perl-modules 5.8.8-7ubuntu2 exists, which is what it was upgrading from, the other 5.8.8-7ubuntu3's exist, just not perl-modules :(04:43
nickrudHHornblower: try one more, see what aptitude upgrade wants to do04:43
nickrudnb-au: just a chronological problem then.04:43
HHornblowernickrud: same as apt-get upgrade04:43
nickrudHHornblower: then i'd use aptitude04:44
HHornblowernickrud: gotcha. more feature-intensive?04:44
TQuidSeems like this gfx card is destined for DirectX 10 & that's part of the price; whereas other cards have higher performance, no dx10, but cheaper.04:44
nb-aunickrud, so just wait?04:44
AssidTQuid: are you ever gonna game on it?04:45
nickrudit's the only tool I use to actually install packages. It tracks a few more things than apt-get does, and has a really useful ncurses interface for fixing broken stuff04:45
nickrudnb-au: yeah, it'll probably show up in the next package push04:45
TQuidAssid . . . well, I kinda wanna. Dunno if I want to go so far as installing windows and doing serious gaming on a different partition.04:45
HHornblowernickrud: handy. I'll have to figure out the interface. It made my head hurt for the few minutes I poked around with it then.04:45
nb-auokies, kewl, any timeframe on that, or just wait and see?04:45
AssidTQuid: if you really wanna game ..that wouldbe your choice04:45
TQuidThey're dissin' it hard on this bbs.04:46
TQuidhttp://forum.ncix.com/forums/index.php?mode=showthread&msg_id=1324821&threadid=1324821&forum=101&product_id=23700&msgcount=19&overclockid=0#msg132482104:46
Assidthere arent really much opengl games out there that that would push this card tho04:46
nickrudHHornblower: a quicky guide is at help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide. It has a link to the complete docs as well. The search stuff is worth learning04:46
nb-auAssid, wine does a good job for most games04:46
Assidnb-au: nothing like native04:46
HHornblowernickrud: much thanks, good sir!04:46
TQuidI tend to play a lot of stuff I find on Home of the Underdogs anyway. :)04:47
nb-auAssid, err, some games wine is faster then native, of course on others it can be slow or buggy04:47
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nb-auTQuid, that place rules, ruled more before they had to remove all the good games :(04:47
HHornblowerHotU rocks. :-D04:47
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TQuidnb-au, what happened?!04:47
nb-auTQuid, a few years back it was more like a dos-games warez site :P04:48
TQuidAh.04:48
TQuidBut I thought they always had a policy that they only put up what had no clear rights-holder.04:48
nb-aunot afaik04:49
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nb-auu used to see through it "removed due to <that american piracy thingo>04:49
Skiffhmmm after ubuntu loading screen, restricted drivers dont load anything04:51
Skiffhow can I remove them or make it work :/04:51
Skifffor ati04:51
Skiffok finally I got an error saying couldnt start x04:53
nickrudSkiff: look at the error file it mentions04:53
Skiffthe image that showed was all screwed up as well04:54
Skiffso  I couldnt really see much04:54
nickrudit should be ~/.xsession-errors iirc04:54
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CountXwow, i just got baned from winehq...04:55
nickrudlol, must hate the aristocracy there04:55
scizzo-nice openoffice updates04:56
nb-auCountX, y?04:56
CountXnb-au, i really dont know04:56
CountXi hadnt said anything for a looong time in that channel04:57
TQuidSo, kinda dumb question, when aptitude decides to keep stuff back with safe-upgrade, does that stay kept back till I try full-upgrade and dependencies are OK?04:57
TQuidOr will a later safe-upgrade, once the dependencies are fixed, work?04:58
nickrudTQuid: safe-upgrade simply doesn't install new packages, full-upgrade will. The packages that are being held back probably require new packages. You can run full-upgrade -s (simulate) to see what will happen04:59
CountXanyone think they can take  alook at this pastebin for trying to run BF2 with wine? http://pastebin.com/d6107369c05:00
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TQuidYeah, right now full-upgrade is pissed about some vaporware that perl wants.05:00
nb-auTQuid, yep, dont force it whatever you do05:00
Skiffbrb05:00
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nb-auu need perl-modules new version05:00
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TQuidIt generally seems to offer a few opportunities: a) don't upgrade some stuff; b) fuck shit up; and c) fuck shit up real bad. [y/n/q] 05:00
wabiDis anyone else having this problem with gran paradiso - http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/857/screenshotvt1.png05:00
nb-auso we play the waiting game05:01
woodwizzlehow do i install sun-java in gutsy?05:01
TQuidI can live without the very latest perl. :)05:01
TQuidI'd like to know why sun-java doesn't have javaws and I have to put in 1.4's jre for that. That's just weird.05:01
woodwizzledidn't there used to be just a sun-java package?05:02
CountXwhen do we get wine 0.9.46 in gutsy?05:02
woodwizzlelike a meta package05:02
TQuidI think it's sun-java605:02
CountXis it going to eventually float to the repos?05:02
TQuidEr, -bin and -sdk05:02
wabiDsun-java6-plugin is the firefox one05:02
nb-auCountX, it should, up until not long back we didnt have .4505:02
wabiDand the plugin comes with jre05:03
woodwizzlesun-java6-jre?05:03
nb-aushould keep updating until final, at which point it wont matter coz winehq repos for gutsy will open05:03
woodwizzlei should probably point out I'm on amd6405:03
CountXlike, shouldnt wine just go to 1.0??05:03
wabiDsun-java6-source05:03
wabiDjk05:03
nb-auwoodwizzle, no amd64 java plugin iirc05:03
TQuid*snrk* there are industry-standard tools out there that are at like 0.4, been in use for years.05:04
nb-aujava works fine, just not in a browser :P05:04
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woodwizzlepoop05:04
woodwizzlewell I need it for out of azerus05:04
nb-auCountX, it will go 1.0 when its fulfilled what theyve stated will be in 1.005:04
woodwizzlebut thats a bummer about browsers05:04
CountXwhats that?05:05
woodwizzleso which package do i need?05:05
woodwizzlecan't be -source (i hope)05:05
nb-aucant remember, but basically stuff to do with compatibility CountX05:05
CountXnb-au, sorry to bother you, id ask in winehq if i wasnt baned05:06
nb-auit was in the news on their website a few months back05:06
CountXi just got involved with linux05:06
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joeaminedhi05:07
joeaminedsystems sounds aren't triggered in my gutsy. How to fix that ? has it been reported ?05:07
_dan_are they enabled in sound options?05:07
stonebearAnyone have an issue w/ the info boxes that popup on the pointer of a mouse, always being blacked out boxes?05:08
nb-austonebear, nope, filed a bug?05:09
joeamineddan : yes they are05:09
_dan_esd running?05:09
stonebearnot yet05:09
joeamineddan : i can hear them in preferences dialog, but they aren't triggered at login, disconnect....05:09
_dan_for some login messages u have to config gdm05:10
_dan_the bing when gdm comes up05:10
_dan_besides that i dont know of that bug no05:10
joeaminedyes esd is running..05:11
nickrudstonebear: I've heard that if you change themes, that goes away. Haven't seen it myself05:12
TQuidG'night folks, have fun. Thanks for the advice Assim and others.05:12
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pavanubuntu (almost) no functional after attempted upgrade to gutsy 7.10 .. can i please get some help.. thanks05:17
stonebearnickrud, That helped.  Thanks05:18
RAOFpavan: Sorry, you'll also get a better response if you actually say what's wrong (exact text of error messages have be extremely useful) :)05:18
osmosisanyone tried Xen on gutsy. I havent been able to get it to work on amd64.05:18
pavanOK... i will try & explain what happend..05:19
CountXanyone know how i can plee to the ops on #winehq to get un-banned05:19
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pavanupdate-manager -d .. it took for a while.. but unfortunatly.. i was not there when it completed .. so not sure of the status.. this is a laptop where it rebooted to windows05:20
CountXmaybe i can use a prox?05:21
CountXproxy*05:21
pavanwhen i switch to ubuntu.. i am in gutsy 7.10 .. but NO network.. eth0 or wlan0.. neither work.. Gnome is all garbled up.. i don't see what i am trying in console..05:21
CountXpavan, in windows?05:21
pavansorry.. i dual boot.. still05:22
CountXpavan, is it a laptop?05:22
pavanyes it is.. i had fiesty working wonderfully..05:23
CountXhmm05:23
pavanwhen i tried /etc/init.d/networks restart.. i am getting all kinds of unable to access messages.. unfortunatly i don't have much of actual messages..05:24
pavanlet me see if i can look @ the messages file..05:24
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igorguelast update broke the apt db right?05:25
pavanthere was a windows program.. that i used to access my linux partition / files.. cannot remember it..anyone has an idea??05:25
pavanalso when i try update-manager -d again.. it says.. i don't have gtk..05:26
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igorgueI get exactly this: 'E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.'05:28
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nb-auigorgue, we are waiting on a perl update05:29
igorguecool05:29
pavanusing explore2fs app.. i am able to get to the /var/log/messages...05:31
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pavanthis line in the messages file "No module symbols loaded - kernel modules not enabled. " doesnt sound correct.. any ideas what needs to be done05:33
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pavanany one here to help please..05:35
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dns_56it seems xorg is not installable, problems with dependencies in xbase-clients05:37
KstringsIs anyone else have minor issues with xorg.conf getting munged up with wrong drivers every couple of reboots?05:43
HHornblowerKstrings: my problem was getting compiz enabled. that fixed most of my problems.05:44
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zengenI installed the daily alternative on a laptop, encrypting all but the boot partition.  After Grub loads it hangs for a few minutes and then I get "/dev/mapper/sda2_crypt does exist.  Dropping to a shell!"  Any ideas?06:24
zengendoes not exist*06:24
RAOFzengen: Yeah, that's a bug.06:25
zengenAny current way to fix it?06:25
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RAOFzengen: You can run "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda2 sda2_crypt" and then enter your passphrase, then type exit to continue booting.06:26
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RAOFzengen: Basically our boot sequence doesn't unlock the drive early enough, so you need to do it manually.06:26
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zengenI'm getting "Failed to setup dm-crypt key mapping." "Check the kernel for support..." and Command failed: No key availiable with this passphrase."06:30
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osmosisanyone know why my eth interfaces have the wrong numbers ?06:31
osmosisshould I file a bug or does that already exist ?06:31
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RAOFzengen: That suggests to me that you've entered the wrong passphrase.06:32
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RAOFzengen: That's the error I get when I enter the wrong passphrase twice.06:32
CountXhow can i resize a videos resolution?06:32
zengenI was thinking that, too, but I tried it multiple times.06:32
CountXi have a screencap at 1440x900 and i need it down a lot, maybe half06:32
RAOFzengen: :(06:32
CountXits ogg video format, anyone?06:33
zengenOh, well.  Thanks, anyway.  I just wanted to see how the install encryption worked.06:33
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CountXmjpegtools06:43
CountX?06:43
RAOFCountX: ffmpeg is good.06:44
CountXto encode?06:44
CountXhow?06:45
RAOFCountX: Well, by installing it, and going man ffmpeg, generally.06:46
CountX...06:46
CountXthe man is huge06:46
RAOFCountX: But a quick cheat sheet goes something like 'ffmpeg -i input file output_file"06:47
CountXhow would you encode a ogg file to a smaller resolution?06:47
CountXmmaybe make it xvid?06:47
RAOFCountX: So, you'd go "ffmpeg -i my.ogg -s WIDTHxHEIGHT -vcodec mpeg4 -b <bitrate> output.mp4"06:48
RAOFOr something similar.06:48
CountXcool06:48
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defconI see there is a new "Custom" setting for gutsy desktop effects, it doesnt give an option to customize, where is the tool located06:49
CountXoh wow thats bad quality06:50
RAOFdefcon: Compizconfig-settings-manager.  If you've got that installed, the "custom" option should have a configure button next to it.06:50
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defconRAOF, I see, will compiz settings manager screw up the normal desktop effectrs06:50
defconeffects*06:50
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defconis it compatible together?06:51
RAOFCountX: There are a number of traps for the uninitiated.  It's possible that <bitrate> is in bits/sec at this point, so you probably want something like "-b 500k" for 500kbit/sec06:51
defconi know in feisty is screwed things up06:51
RAOFdefcon: It won't break anything.  It's just a configuration frontend.06:51
defconRAOF, cool06:51
defconthankyou06:51
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defconRAOF, your always here :) thanks for the help now and in the past ur chillin :)06:51
sear_yodaI'm very close to having this working now, but I'm stuck at:  libfontconfig1: Depends: fontconfig-config (= 2.4.2-1.2ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed06:52
CountXRAOF, COOL06:52
sear_yodaeven through my version of fontconfig-config = that version06:52
CountXhow might i tell it to do multiple passes?06:52
CountXlike a triple pass?06:52
nb-ausear_yoda, rofl06:52
nb-auo well at least urs doesnt need a nonexistent package06:52
jumpkickwtf?  Adept wants to remove 484 packages (1.6GB of Gutsy)...  very strange06:53
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nb-aujumpkick, gutsy has shat itself06:54
nb-aualot of us have had similar or the same06:54
jumpkicknb-au: I see06:54
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CountXwhats a good codec thats popular enough to use for distrubuting on a website?06:55
jumpkickat least I don't feel so bad, since I'm not alone06:55
nb-auCountX, mpeg?06:55
CountXk06:55
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sear_yodagrr, why does synaptic want to remove all of my packages06:57
Kstringssear_yoda:  It dosent like you.  Nothing personal =)06:58
kurroshehe06:58
sear_yodabut i treat it so well...06:58
kurrosthere was a short period today where the language meta package hadn't caught up with the openoffice update06:59
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sear_yodalooks like my problem is a confirmed bug07:06
sear_yodai'll sleep on it, i guess07:06
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sear_yodais the sticky notes gnome panel applet not gutsy compatible?07:15
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sear_yodanb-au, I'm stuck with only perl as well :P07:20
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mikubuntuknock knock, anybody home07:33
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Hobbseeno07:33
cdm10Hey, how's the beta going? I've been thinking of installing it... Feisty's already broken, so I don't care if it screws anything up.07:33
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kurroshehe07:37
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KstringsHas anyone here tested building a package from source on 7.10? (apt-get source, then pbuilder)07:39
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Hobbseeuh, yes07:46
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mikubuntuoh, why, oh, why .... ?  i downloaded tribe 5 last week and was so thrilled because i got a nice crisp 1024 x 768 screenres, which i have not been able to get the last 4 mos on feisty ... so today i decided to go ahead and upgrade the beta of gutsy ... was kind of scary.  lots of errors in the process for some reason, and after couple hours of updating, i got a message that there was a...07:54
mikubuntu...failure to upgrade, and my system might have been left 'unuseable' ... YIPES! but anyways, it's not unuseable, and after i rebooted, i ran sudo apt-get update, and seems to have updated most everything ok, and no probs with my data, BUT, i still have this DAMN 800 x 600 screenres, and i'm just BESIDE MYSELF about it ... lol ... <-- effort at humor)   can someone PLEASE help me get my...07:54
mikubuntu...screenresolution up to snuff?07:54
hyljeconsider using slightly shorter lines07:55
hyljeas it is you're putting out a wall of text07:55
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Daisuke-Laptopyeah, bear in mind this is a chat medium, and not a forum07:56
Nubbiek let me start...07:56
NubbieSystem > Administration > Screens and Graphics07:57
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fulat2khi folks, is there something broken upgrading kubuntu feisty to gg b1?  i'm using the method in the wiki but adept-manager says it can't get the repos.08:00
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nIRV_good day. where can I find the ".xsession" file? thanks08:00
Juggiehey, i've just tried ubuntu for the first time and i must say its awesome on my laptop... but i cant get desktop effects working, i've followed all the steps in the howto, and i've previously had it working on fedora without issue.. does anyone know of any outstanding issues with gutsy desktop acceleration08:01
Juggieor where i could look to debug it08:02
nickrudnIRV_: if you don't have one in your home dir, you'd make one08:02
nIRV_okeydokey, thanks08:02
nIRV_that .xsession will be used while launching a user session or while launching gdm?08:03
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frostburnwhere can i get perl-modules-5.8.8-7ubuntu308:04
frostburnnm, just read devel08:05
nickrudnIRV_: it'd be used when you start X with xsession, or use the xsession session from gdm08:05
nickrudnIRV_: erm replace the first xsession with startx, please08:05
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luckyonecan anyone help me resolve dependency problems with volumeid and udev?08:06
frostburnluckyone, you'll have to edit line 56 or whatever and add the ;;08:07
nIRV_nickrud, I'm basically trying to add a xrandr command to enable dual monitors when GDM starts; what would be the best way to do it? My understanding is that if I add command to my ~/.xsession, it will only be executed once I input username and password, right?08:07
luckyonefrostburn: do you have a link?08:07
frostburnnah, i just did it though08:07
frostburnsec, let me find what i did08:08
luckyoneI kinda remember seeing that error, but dpkg-reconfigure --a is a long process08:08
frostburnsudo gedit /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst08:08
frostburnthen go to line uh... 56 and add;; after continue08:09
HHornbloweranyone have experience with compiz?08:09
nickrudnIRV_: I'm hazy at the moment about where you'd put it for gdm, probably under /etc/X11/xsession.d08:09
HHornblowerI'm trying to get the Super_L key to register.08:09
luckyonethen what?08:09
HHornblowerit simply refuses to.08:09
luckyonefrostburn: dpkg-reconfigure volumeid?08:10
frostburnluckyone, uh, i just continued my upgrade08:10
nIRV_thanks for the help08:11
nIRV_trying out08:11
nickrudnIRV_: or /etc/gdm/PreSession or Xsession ? I haven't followed that path for a while. But if you look over that stuff, you'll probably find it. Also, ~/.gnomerc is read at gnome startup. Not gdm, but maybe that would work08:12
nickrudLuckily, I have volumeid on hold. I'll wait for the fix :)08:13
luckyonegrrr, it still says I have broken deps08:13
frostburnmine does too08:14
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luckyonexbase-clients and xorg?08:14
frostburnyep08:15
luckyonewell, known evil I guess08:15
luckyonewhat do you plan to do? not worry about it?08:15
frostburnpretty much08:15
luckyoneI am okay with that, I just don't know how I will install updates tomorrow08:15
luckyoneI mean, do I really need xorg anyway? That one can't be *that* important08:16
frostburnthey're talking about it in #ubuntu-devel as well08:16
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luckyoneis it only on amd6408:17
luckyonemy 32bit machine didn't do this on upgrade08:17
frostburni think so08:17
Juggiehey, i've just tried ubuntu for the first time and i must say its awesome on my laptop... but i cant get desktop effects working, i've followed all the steps in the howto, and i've previously had it working on fedora without issue.. does anyone know of any outstanding issues with gutsy desktop acceleration, or where i could look to debug it08:19
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chewdhello folks08:25
chewdanybody home?08:26
CountXme home08:31
CountXchewd, j00 need something08:31
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chewdwhoa08:41
chewdhey08:41
chewdhaving virtual desktop probs08:41
chewdvirtual desktop is larger than my screen rez... its doing the old pan & scan08:42
nb-auhehe08:42
chewddidnt start until i enabled dual display08:42
chewdis there some way to manually set the virtual desktop size?08:43
chewdim in xorg.conf... but im not sure ive got it right08:43
fracochewd: I have dual display working as I want it (without the panning), want me to pastebin my xorg.conf?08:44
chewdshould there be a virtual desktop size for each display? ive only found the entry for one of my monitors08:44
chewdyea id like to get a look at that08:44
chewdwhat rez do you run your screens in?08:44
chewdid like to do 1280x1024 on each08:45
chewdotherwise everythings too small08:45
fracoi got 1600x1200 and 1024x78608:45
chewdreally, 2 different rezs08:45
chewd& no panning?08:45
fracoyou mean scrolling like when desktop is larger than the screen, no i aint got that08:46
chewdyea08:46
chewddrives me nuts08:46
chewdi hate it08:46
chewdwhy would you want that?08:46
fracochewd:http://pastebin.com/m76b7d08808:46
fracoi believe the key think is the Option "metamodes" line08:47
nanonymehmm, i wonder if the latest kernel broke audio support for my laptop08:47
fracochewd: i got that generated by the nvidia settings tool, but i understand it is valid for all graphics cards08:47
chewdi tried the nvidia settins tool08:48
chewdbut it doesnt seem to keep the changes i make08:48
chewdwell not all of them anyway08:48
fracoyeah it is quirky08:48
chewdyea08:49
fracodid you run it as sudo just to be sure?08:49
nanonymehehe, forgot i had put audio silence from the keyboard :D no problems anymore :)08:49
chewdlol08:49
chewddarn mute virus08:49
chewdi had that08:49
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chewdeasy to repair tho :)08:50
nanonymeyeah, if you come to think of it08:50
chewdim not sure i understand whats going on in this metamodes option08:50
fracome neither, but i believe it is a list of possible configurations for both screens08:51
fracothe one i normally use is CRT-0: nvidia-auto-select +1600+432, CRT-1: 1600x1200 +0+0;08:51
fracomeaning that on CRT-0 (small lcd screen) it will autoselect the rez and set an offset of +1600+432 (it is to the right bottom of the other screen)08:52
chewdohhh... ok so those are different sets of presets08:52
fracoyep08:52
fracowhen i run a fullscreen game it picks on of the other sets08:52
chewdahhhh08:52
chewdmy dos-riddled mind is beginning to comprehend08:52
fracoI think if you google for xorg.conf metamodes you will find much more info08:53
chewdyea will do08:53
chewdmetamodes08:53
chewdhmmm08:53
fracoI think you need the twinview thing too08:53
fracoand i suppose that makes it nvidia only08:54
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chewdoy... i think i may have it08:57
chewdgotta restart to find out08:58
chewdbrb08:58
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Chewdarg09:01
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Laser87Gr Gott!09:07
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nb-aulooks like the servers just got updated09:08
nb-augive it a go09:08
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chewdanybody know a way to trick automatx into running on 7.10?09:09
Hobbseeew09:09
chewdew?09:09
crdlbheh that's a phenomenally bad idea09:10
chewdnm then lol09:10
Hobbseejust, ew09:10
chewdi thought it was a good lil prog... it got all my vids workin :)09:11
chewdah well09:11
nb-auive got the perl prob fixed guys :D09:11
chewdanybody know why the nvidia settings prog dumps my settings?09:12
chewdshould i just bugger off then?09:14
nb-auchewd, dont get upset if noone responds, it means noone knows09:14
chewdnaw im not upset09:14
crdlbwhat do you mean by dump?09:15
nb-au<chewd> should i just bugger off then? <----orly?09:15
chewdjust wondering if ive commited a faux pas09:15
nb-au:)09:15
crdlbcertain settings aren't remembered across sessions unless you put nvidia-settings --load-config-only09:15
crdlbor something like that in your startup apps09:15
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chewdoh?09:15
chewdits almost like nvidia-settings doesnt have root privilege & therefore cant write to the conf file09:16
chewdis that basically whats happening?09:16
chewdcant save changes to it manually either09:17
chewddo i have to open gedit from root or something?09:17
pvandewyngaerdeInstellen van volumeid (113-0ubuntu13) ...09:17
pvandewyngaerde/var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst: 56: Syntax error: ")" unexpected (expecting ";;")09:17
chewd<--- kinda new at this... just lemme know when i go to far :D09:17
chewdso... where do i insert this "nvidia-settings -load-config-only" then?09:20
nb-aupvandewyngaerde, add in a line at 56 in that file consisting of ;;09:26
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pvandewyngaerdek, done09:28
pvandewyngaerdeshould i report it as a bug ?09:28
nb-aupvandewyngaerde, done already :)09:29
pvandewyngaerdek, thx for the help, but i should have figured it out myself too,   too sleepy09:30
nb-auhehe, dont worry ive been bug busting all day. Only just got a fully working system back09:31
nb-authey messed up bad with the servers09:31
nb-auso damn tired :(09:31
LynoureAre you saying today is a bad day to upgrade?09:32
pvandewyngaerdeperl is upgradable here, but it wants to remove almost anything for that09:33
nb-auLynoure, yep :)09:34
nb-aupvandewyngaerde, i had to get mine done using debs from launchpad09:34
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nb-auworked but09:35
nb-auafter that theres another 11MB of upgrades, then ur upto date :)09:35
Lynoureoh, it's morning for me now :)09:35
Lynoureand I have nice bandwidth09:35
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nb-aulynoure theres a busted package, then multiple dependancy problems09:36
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nb-auso unless ur up for some fun09:36
nb-auwait :P09:37
pvandewyngaerdewhere is that deb from launchpad ?09:37
Lynourenb-au: I hope you reported bugs?09:37
Lynourenb-au: Which package?09:37
goodhabitHello. How I can upgrade to gutsy using local repo and this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades manual. Is it possible? Should I just change my local feisty to local gutsy repo?09:37
nb-authe busted package was definately reported09:37
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nb-aueverything else i assume was reported by others09:38
LilacorHow do I make my SMP box SMP again?09:38
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pvandewyngaerdewith a smp kernel ?09:38
nb-au:P09:38
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pvandewyngaerdeuname -a       Linux pvandewyngaerde-desktop 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP09:39
Lynourenb-au: Do you remember what package it was? The thing is, I'm a kubuntu user... so critical for gnome might not be critical for me09:39
nb-auvolumeid09:39
pvandewyngaerdeLynoure:  im a kubuntu guy too09:39
nb-auits an easy fix09:39
nb-auadd ;; on line 5609:40
nb-autry and install it again09:40
nb-auand it should work09:40
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dougiewow....why is gutsy so big?09:41
pvandewyngaerdein size ? or your screen resolution ?09:42
nb-auno bigger then feisty really?09:42
dougiesize09:42
dougie...4.3 gig dvd image09:42
LilacorI think 7.1 is great...I'm not the best with manipulating kernels ...that's all09:42
dougiewhile the ubuntu fiesty cd is like 800mb09:42
sin1dougie, you got the DVD get the desktop cd09:43
dougiesin1, thats all thats listed on the thing09:43
dougieinstall/live dvd09:44
dougiecdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta09:44
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sin1http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/09:45
sin1try that, get the desktop one09:45
dougiehmm...i have ati i may need the alternate lol09:46
dougieat least i did with the other versions09:46
sin1oh well its sitll smaller at least09:46
sin14 GBs takes a bit to dnload..lol09:47
dougieyes...yes it does09:48
dougiewhat does that dvd image have that the desktop cd doesn't?09:48
Laser87dougie: it has a lot more packages09:49
dougieah09:49
dougieok well going to bed while this downloads... probably be in here tomorrow searching for help possibly09:49
sin1I think it has both alt and desktop09:49
Laser87but with the cd you all can download from the sources09:49
Laser87system uptodate :-)09:51
CountXhow might i report a bug?09:51
Laser87CountX: on laumchpad? u need an account09:52
CountXpoo09:52
pvandewyngaerdehttp://www.fsckin.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/animation.gif09:52
CountXpvandewyngaerde, coool09:52
CountXpvandewyngaerde, did you make it?09:52
pvandewyngaerdenope09:53
pvandewyngaerdehttp://www.fsckin.com/2007/09/28/how-to-install-gutsy-gibbon-a-21-step-guide-for-technical-support/  <<  ATTENTION  ! IRONY09:53
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joakim-anyone more having problems with configuring volumeid, and thus also having problems with installing udev?09:58
joakim-seems to be a bug in volumeid, "/var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst: 56: Syntax error: ")" unexpected (expecting ";;")"09:59
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Laser87joakim-: we had this a few minutes ago - nb-au said: pvandewyngaerde, add in a line at 56 in that file consisting of ;;10:02
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joakim-nice!10:05
joakim-should have figured that out maybe :)10:05
Laser87bug is already reported10:06
Hobbseebug #?10:07
CountXanyone use a webcam here?10:07
Laser87don't know - sry10:07
Hobbsee!anyone | CountX10:07
ubotuCountX: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?10:07
CountX...10:07
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CountXim trying to use my webcam with a website, it accesses your cam through flash, it doesnt work for me10:08
CountXit did on windows, but not on linux, i was just wondering if anyone here could see if it worked for them10:08
CountXi think i know my webcams folder, /dev/video010:08
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cdm10I'm having a big issue with Gutsy.10:09
CountXi got something about access to webcam denied10:09
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cdm10Whenever the "busy" cursor is supposed to be displayed, the cursor just disappears.10:09
cdm10This happens QUITE often.10:09
Hobbseeoh, that's already fixed in the archives.  great.10:10
cdm10Hobbsee: Are you talking to me?10:10
Hobbseecdm10: no10:10
cdm10ok10:10
cdm10Has anyone else noticed this in Gutsy?10:10
Hobbseei was meaning Laser87's udev thing10:10
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cdm10I'm using the nVidia drivers, and desktop effects make no difference.10:10
nurettinhello10:11
nurettinwhen this morning update10:11
nurettinthis update error occoured10:11
nurettinE: /var/cache/apt/archives/libkbluetooth0_1.0~beta8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libqobex.so.0.0.9', which is also in package qobex10:11
Hobbseenurettin: known.10:11
Hobbsee(bug filed)10:12
Laser87Hobbsee: i just replied what nb-au said...10:12
nurettinresolution ?10:12
Frezeeerhi, I want to be able to upgrade, I fill in a bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/gnome-control-center/+bug/120957, I think is some package i installed from a non official source, I want to downgrade all my packages to the official versions, is there a way I can do that or do I have to do it one by one10:12
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120957 in update-manager "UpdateManager fails to fetch dist-upgrade tarball" [High,Invalid] 10:12
HobbseeLaser87: OK, then both of yours10:12
CountXanyone help me with my problem?10:12
cdm10Or mine? :(10:14
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CountXim thinking that flash cant access the cam10:14
CountXor doesnt know how10:14
Hobbseenurettin: dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libkbluetooth0_1.0~beta8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb10:14
CountXis there some way that i can make flash see my cam?10:14
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Hobbseeor any development versoin.10:15
nurettinthank you10:15
nurettinmy problem is resolved.10:15
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cdm10damn, the text selection pointer is gone, too.10:16
nurettinvery thank you hobbsee10:16
cdm10Pretty much everything except the normal pointer.10:16
Hobbseeajmitch: yeah, well.  but until i, or somene else, actually fixes the bug...10:16
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ajmitchwhy a shared lib was in qobex is beyond me10:17
andruki just loaded the prop. nvidia driver for my card using the restricted-drivers-manager, and restarted.  my comp almost loaded gnome all the way (im missing a few - not all - applets) and then it completely froze - not even ctrl+alt+f1 worked10:18
=== CountX found http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/peripherals-hardware/93931-webcam.html
CountXwhich is directly related to my problem10:18
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CountXso, CONFIRMED10:18
Hobbseeajmitch: qobex doesnt seem to exist anymore, though.10:19
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cdm10Turning HWCursor off in xorg.conf fixed it, but I'm still sorta unhappy... it would be nice if HWCursor worked properly.10:20
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cdm10Damn, desktop effects won't work with HWCursor off... I guess it's either compiz or a working mouse cursor.10:21
penguincentralcan anyone help me out with an issue regarding Gizmo Project VOIP?10:21
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CountXthe is right off the press release for flash 9 "Only ALSA is supported for microphone input and speaker output, and only Video4Linux v1 is supported for camera input."10:21
CountXso why doesnt it recognize my cam?10:22
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penguincentralcan anyone help me with Gizmo Project?10:23
cdm10!repeat10:23
ubotuDon't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience10:23
cdm10Although I'm probably guilty of that too, so I'll shut up.10:23
penguincentralcdm10: aren't we all ;)10:23
jussi01penguin, whats the issue10:24
Juggiedoes gutsy not have a package for emerald-themes?10:24
jussi01gah... stupid tab... penguincentral^10:24
jussi01!find emerald10:24
penguincentraljussi01: when i click on add contacts, gizmo crashes10:24
ubotuFound: emerald, libemeraldengine-dev, libemeraldengine0, xemeraldia10:24
cdm10How would I go about reporting a bug in Gutsy, relating to cursors?10:24
jussi01Juggie: looks like it10:24
jussi01!bug | cdm1010:24
ubotucdm10: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots10:25
cdm10ok10:25
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penguincentraljussi01: what do you think?10:25
jussi01penguincentral: which version is it? and did you use the latest deb10:25
jussi01??10:25
penguincentraljussi01: 3.1 (v77)10:25
Juggiejussi01, all those are installed, but still no themes, i found an open thread about it on the forum10:26
jussi01Juggie: go grab some from gnome look then...10:27
penguincentraljussi01: is there a newer build?10:27
jussi01penguincentral: yes10:27
jussi013.1.2.9110:27
Juggiejussi01, on packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/x11/emerald it says 'emerald-themes' is unavail, what does that mean, it hasnt been built from gutsy10:27
jussi01penguincentral: hang on no..10:27
jussi01Juggie: either that or its been held back for some reason10:28
jussi01penguincentral: try purging and reinstallin10:28
penguincentraljussi01: how do i purge?10:28
jussi01and make sure you have all the deps installed10:29
CountXok ok, i found my usb cam in the device manager, its video4linux.device is /dev/video010:29
CountXnow how do i make it work in flash?10:29
jussi01penguincentral: sudo apt-get remove --purge packagename10:29
penguincentraljussi01: ok, i get what i have to do...10:29
jussi01:)10:29
penguincentraljussi01: this would be easier if i wasn't speed limited :(10:30
jussi01penguincentral: ?10:30
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Almindorhello10:30
jussi01!hi | Almindor10:30
ubotuAlmindor: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!10:30
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=== Almindor just upgraded to gutsy beta.. and.. :)
penguincentraljussi01: long story, australian broadband SUCKS10:31
penguincentralmy rant is over10:31
Almindor1. the upgrade broke on some python script (after all .debs got updated, so I'm fine)10:31
jussi01penguincentral: I know what you mean10:31
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Almindor2. the "logout" window takes about 20 seconds to show up 1st time10:31
Almindorotherwise everything seems to work10:31
penguincentraljussi01: where did you get the latest build of Gizmo Project?10:31
Almindordoes anyone know if #2 is known thing or specific?10:31
jussi01penguincentral: from the gizmo website10:31
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jussi01Almindor: I seem to remember there being a bug about that10:32
penguincentraljussi01: i am http://www.gizmoproject.com/download-linux.html the version listed there is what i have got10:32
Almindorjussi01, ah ok, was afraid it was tied to the broken upgrade process10:32
jussi01penguincentral: yeah,10:32
Hobbseepenguincentral: seconded!10:32
Almindorone odd thing is tho10:32
jussi01hello Hobbsee!!10:32
AlmindorI got +4gb of diskspace wasted now10:32
penguincentralgood to hear fromyou Hobbsee!10:32
Almindorand I already checked all packages..10:32
HobbseeAlmindor: would be helpful if you sadi which python script10:33
Hobbseehi jussi01!10:33
AlmindorHobbsee, sorry, I didn't record it :(10:33
HobbseeAlmindor: how *not* useful.10:33
penguincentraljussi01: where do i get this latest build, or do i have to purge and reinstall10:33
AlmindorHobbsee, was a bit afraid how broken it would end up so I went restarting to see10:33
=== jussi01 give Hobbsee a big hug, and hands here a chunk of bandwidth from his 10/10 connection.. ;)
AlmindorHobbsee, perhaps you should "log" it?10:34
HobbseeAlmindor: log what?10:34
jussi01penguincentral: purge and reinstall.10:34
Almindoryou know.. upgrade log into some nice /var file?10:34
penguincentraljussi01: ok10:34
Almindorlog the upgrade..10:34
HobbseeAlmindor: if you used update-manager, it likely did.  apport files with them.10:34
AlmindorHobbsee, hmm I'll look10:34
jussi01Hobbsee: curiousity q: do you know how the progress on actually fixing the bluetooth is going?10:35
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Hobbseejussi01: fixing, as in, the file overwrite problem?10:35
jussi01Hobbsee: yeah10:35
penguincentraljussi01: matt@matt-desktop:~$ penguincentral: sudo apt-get remove --purge gizmo-project_3.1.0.77_libstdc++6_i386.deb10:36
penguincentralKABOOOM!!!10:36
penguincentralWhoops, command-not-found has crashed! Please file a bug report at:10:36
penguincentralhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/command-not-found10:36
penguincentralPlease include the following information with the report:10:36
penguincentralNo module named CommandNotFound10:36
penguincentralTraceback (most recent call last):10:36
penguincentral  File "/usr/lib/command-not-found", line 10, in <module>10:36
penguincentral    from CommandNotFound import CommandNotFound10:36
jussi01!paste10:36
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)10:36
cdm10!paste10:36
penguincentralImportError: No module named CommandNotFound10:36
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penguincentralPython version: 2.5.1 final 010:36
AlmindorHobbsee, /var/log/installer?10:36
penguincentralbash: penguincentral:: command not found10:36
Almindorhmm no10:36
jussi01penguincentral:  I kill you!! :P10:36
Almindorthat's original10:36
Hobbseejussi01: already uploaded.10:36
HobbseeUploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):10:36
Hobbsee  kdebluetooth_1.0~beta8-0ubuntu4.dsc: done.10:36
Hobbsee  kdebluetooth_1.0~beta8-0ubuntu4.diff.gz: done.10:36
Hobbsee  kdebluetooth_1.0~beta8-0ubuntu4_source.changes: done.10:36
HobbseeSuccessfully uploaded packages.10:36
HobbseeNot running dinstall.10:36
jussi01Hobbsee: ahh great, just waiting for my mirror then10:37
penguincentraljussi01: what do i do?10:37
Hobbseejussi01: i only uploaded a coupl eof mins ago, so..10:37
penguincentraljussi01: and thanks for linking me to the pastebin10:37
AlmindorHobbsee, I think I got it10:37
jussi01penguincentral: ahh, i forgot it didnt come from a repo,...10:37
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penguincentraljussi01: yeah10:37
AlmindorHobbsee, /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log sounds right?10:37
HobbseeAlmindor: anything in that folder should, yes.10:38
AlmindorHobbsee, I think it's that error I'm looking at right now, altough not 100% sure10:38
AlmindorHobbsee, but it's localised :D10:38
HobbseeAlmindor: if you could translate it into english, that would help10:38
Almindoryeah sec.10:38
CountXwhats the chmod for allowing everything10:38
Almindor!pastebin perhaps?10:39
penguincentraljussi01: what do i do?10:39
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HobbseeAlmindor: that'd be good10:39
jussi01penguincentral: Im not trying to be annoying, but I suggest you use dpkg to remove those 2 debs. use 'man dpkg' to find out the cammands :)10:39
jussi01penguincentral: that way you learn to do it yourself, instead of just copy pasting from me10:40
penguincentraljussi01: yeah, you are doing a great job at it ;)10:40
CountXanyone use stickam? my cam doesnt work on it10:41
AlmindorHobbsee, http://pastebin.com/ma2e4f9d10:41
penguincentraljussi01: i have no bloody idea...10:42
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jussi01penguincentral: hehe ok.10:42
jussi01something like dpkg -r packagename10:43
HobbseeAlmindor: OK.  can you file that pastebin (copy it into a file, add it as an attachment - pastebins dont stay up forever), along with the stuff in  /var/log/dist-upgrade/, under update-manager, and explain that you upgraded to gutsy?10:43
jussi01with sudo of course10:43
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AlmindorHobbsee, sure10:43
HobbseeAlmindor: great, thanks.10:43
HobbseeAlmindor: it should be useful enough for the guy who does update-manager to find the problem10:44
Hobbsee(seeing as it's an update-manager bug, not a random package bug)10:44
penguincentraljussi01: i ran the command, what do i do now?10:44
jussi01penguincentral: did that remove them fine?10:45
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penguincentrali'll make a pastebin...10:45
penguincentraljussi01: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38998/plain/10:46
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jussi01penguincentral: you should remove the other package also10:47
penguincentraljussi01: what package?10:47
jussi01penguincentral: libstdc++610:47
jussi01if you installed that from a deb10:47
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penguincentraljussi01: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/38999/10:48
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jussi01penguincentral: ahh, ok10:49
unggnuhi all10:49
jussi01all goo then,10:49
jussi01ggood*10:49
jussi01gah10:49
penguincentral!hi | unggnu10:49
ubotuunggnu: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!10:49
unggnuAnybody with Alsa software mixing problems. Sound works but only one program atm10:49
unggnupenguincentral, :)10:49
unggnuFeisty hasn't this problem.10:50
penguincentraljussi01: what do i do now?10:50
jussi01penguincentral: grab the deb and reinstall.10:50
penguincentralok then10:51
jussi01(and stop being so impatient ;)10:51
penguincentraljussi01: hold on, let me find a suitable ubotu response for this10:51
jussi01!patience | penguincentral10:52
ubotupenguincentral: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines10:52
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jussi01:)10:52
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penguincentral!ping | jussi0110:53
ubotujussi01: pong10:53
jussi01lol10:53
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jussi01unggnu: which sound card10:54
pschulz01!issues10:54
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about issues - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi10:54
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penguincentraljussi01: it's installed10:54
penguincentraljussi01: and it didn't work...10:54
unggnujussi01, thanks, one second.10:55
unggnujussi01,  Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801FB/FBM/FR/FW/FRW (ICH6 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 03)10:55
jussi01penguincentral: doh. ummm10:55
jussi01!intelhda | unggnu10:55
ubotuunggnu: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto10:55
jussi01unggnu: its a know bug10:56
jussi01pschulz01: can we help?10:56
unggnujussi01, Do you have the bug number?10:56
jussi01unggnu: ummm no10:56
unggnujussi01, But it works fine in Feisty.10:56
pschulz01Errors while processing: voliumeid udev10:56
jussi01unggnu: go read the link i just got for you10:57
penguincentral!ask | pschulz0110:57
ubotupschulz01: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)10:57
pschulz01I'm wondering if it's a known issue10:57
jussi01pschulz01: what were you doing when that happened?10:57
RAOFpschulz01: Yes, very much so.10:57
unggnuWhat would you make without a bot? :)10:57
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jussi01:)10:58
RAOFpschulz01: Also, a very brief launchpad search would find you about 20 duplicates of that bug :)10:58
pschulz01!udev10:58
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about udev - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi10:58
pschulz01!volumeid10:58
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about volumeid - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi10:58
jussi01!botabuse | pschulz0110:58
ubotupschulz01: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...10:58
Lynourepschulz01: wait10:58
Lynourepschulz01: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/14651310:58
Hobbseepschulz01: known10:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 146513 in udev "package volumeid 113-0ubuntu13 failed to install/upgrade: " [Undecided,Fix released] 10:58
pschulz01Ta.10:59
Hobbseepschulz01: fixed, package needs to be given back.10:59
mikubuntuwhy, oh why ... when i tried gutsy tribe 5 live, my screen was finally resolving at 1024x768, and yet when i upgraded to gutsy beta today, my screenres is still at 8-- x 6--? i'm *not* yet familiar with dpkg and dependancies, but since i don't store anything locally on the computer, i don't mind risking re-installs or whatever i have to face... this must be some kind of bug, tho, that ubuntu...10:59
mikubuntu...doesn't recognise my graphics card or drivers properly ... any help for me?10:59
unggnujussi01, My problem isn't listed there. Sound works fine except of software mixing :)10:59
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pschulz01Ta.11:01
Lilacor I don't see any SMP kernels available....11:02
Lilacoram I supposed to custom build my own?11:02
unggnuLilacor, generic is SMP11:03
Lilacorhrmmmm11:03
LilacorI have i386 right now, how do I make generic my booting kernel?11:03
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unggnuLilacor, install it or choose it in grub and remove 386 kernel11:03
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Lilacorhmmm...okay11:04
syke_hi11:04
syke_I'm getting an error during dist-upgrade from feisty to edgy: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libkbluetooth0_1.0~beta8-0ubuntu3_i386.deb11:04
unggnulol11:04
unggnufrom feisty to gutsy I guess11:04
syke_er11:04
syke_yea11:04
syke_sorry11:04
syke_it's late here ;)11:04
unggnu:)11:05
jussi01syke_: known, fixed, should be in your archive soon.11:05
syke_I've rm'd the libkbluetooth from /var/cache/apt11:05
syke_jussi: ok, awesome!11:05
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syke_I'll just try again tomorrow morning11:05
syke_thanks and good night!11:05
unggnujussi01, You know everything, what is with software mixing ;)11:05
jussi01syke_: yeah, probably best11:05
jussi01unggnu: no, i dont know everything.11:05
ajmitchjussi01: why not?11:06
unggnubut everything guts related ;)11:06
unggnu+y11:06
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unggnulol11:06
jussi01ajmitch: because im not you... ;)11:06
ajmitchhaha11:06
jussi01unggnu: I dont know the answer to your problem. sorry.11:07
unggnunp11:07
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unggnuI haven't found a specific bug so I guess I made a new one11:08
faustohello11:09
jussi01unggnu: just out of curiosity, you have got all your sound volumes up?11:10
jussi01!hi fausto11:10
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about hi fausto - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi11:10
jussi01!hi | fausto11:10
ubotufausto: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!11:10
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unggnujussi01, yes and sound works fine at least for one program using it :)11:10
faustoI inteled the beta and foun a bug (regrassion from feisty), where should I report ?11:10
unggnufausto, what is it?11:10
jussi01!bug | fausto11:10
ubotufausto: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots11:10
unggnufausto, maybe it is known11:10
faustoI'll have a look. The bug is: gutsy wrongly auto-detects my laptop's screen resolutoin to 1400 something whent it actualy is 1280x80011:12
faustofeisty used to detect correctly11:12
unggnufausto, Which graphic card?11:12
faustoan ATI, wait a secon I'll see witch model11:12
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riotkittieugh. why am   i awake and on irc at 5am.11:13
unggnufausto, And which driver do you use?11:13
Jaymacriotkittie, dedicated to the cause11:13
Jaymac:)11:13
faustothe proprietary11:13
acusterhey all, how do I get the uuid's of each of my partitions?11:13
acustermy older grub doesn't like either /dev/hd* or /dev/sd*11:13
Tomcat_acuster: blkid in terminal :)11:13
acustermerci11:14
unggnufausto, Do you could change it to the correct resolution with "Screen Resolution"?11:14
unggnuacuster, sudo vol_id /dev/XXX11:14
chronographerHello. I have a strange issue when changing users in gutsy. If i switch from main to my sons user, screen goes a bit purple. When i switch back to my account i can log in to a normally colored screen, then I get a bright green screen with mouse and no keyboard response (cant ctrl alt backspace etc.)11:14
faustounggnu: yes, but then the resolution is wrong on GDM11:14
unggnuchronographer, Intel graphic card?11:15
chronographernvidia11:15
chronographerFX560011:15
unggnufausto, Which resolution is saved in xorg.conf?11:15
chronographerwith working dual monitor and compiz11:15
Jaymacbah, this libkbluetooth problem has hosed my latest upgrade11:15
jussi01Jaymac: no, easy fix11:15
chronographeralthough there are no window borders on the tv!11:15
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jussi01Jaymac: sudo apt-get install -f11:15
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oly-hi, i have upgraded to gutsy but have no wifi, sudo modprobe rt2x00 or sudo modprobe ndiswrapper both return fatal module not found11:16
Jaymaci know.. i'm waiting for the 2nd upgrade to finish11:16
jussi01Jaymac: :)11:16
unggnuchronographer, Seems to be a different one.11:16
oly-is this a bug / something i am doing wrong11:16
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Jaymacdidn't think it would bugger things up though11:16
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oly-or some conflict from the upgrade11:16
faustounggnu: found the problem, my xorg have the line "Virtual14001050"11:16
chronographera different what?11:16
jussi01Jaymac: its a beta...11:16
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unggnuoly-, maybe you have to compile a new ndiswrapper module11:17
unggnufausto, But it is still recognized wrong.11:17
oly-does the gutsy one not work then ?11:17
Jaymacjussi01, again I know :) been using it since tribe 1... my comment was just that i didn't expect a libkbluetooth problem to kill my openoffice upgrade ;)11:17
unggnufausto, Upgrade or ne install?11:17
oly-its an pci ralink card that i am using11:17
riotkittiei wish i could get rt2x00 to work for me11:17
chronographermy ralink wifi card worked out of the box11:17
riotkittiei also wish i hadnt bought an ralink card11:17
nb-autheres big probs with some ralink cards iirc11:17
oly-but i can not modprobe the rt2x00 driver11:18
nb-aubit like broadcoms :P11:18
oly-it says its not found11:18
faustounggnu: new install11:18
riotkittieoly- try rt2x00pci ?11:18
oly-unless its got a different module name11:18
oly-thats not found as well11:18
riotkittiei think thats in there but i'm in win and i cant check <hangs head in shame>11:18
faustounggnu: it is setting the default res to 1024 with a virtual of 1400 when my monitor is 128011:18
unggnufausto, I would report it. X seems to have some issues with resolution. This is the third one I have heard from. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xresprobe/+bug/11522011:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 115220 in xresprobe "feisty fresh install sets xorg.conf to 1440x1440 instead of 1440x900 nvidia" [Medium,Confirmed] 11:18
unggnuHm, ok, it is dedicated to Feisty.11:19
oly-why would all these not be found, am i missing a package or something ?11:19
riotkittiemy wireless worked out of the box on gutsy too but my connection drops like crazy11:19
unggnufausto, Just make a bug report. It searches for others if you have entered the title so you can recheck if it is listed already.11:19
oly-usually you can modprobe a module even if you do not have the hardware11:20
faustounggnu: ok, thanks11:20
chronographeranyone else got a green or purple screen after user switch?11:21
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oly-will try on forum see if anyone knows11:21
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riotkittiei love my computer too much to have any other users on it, so i've never had reason to try the switch11:22
darrendhhh11:22
riotkittiei did see someone mention a similar problem tho. i think it was on the forums in the 'what doesnt work for you in gutsy' thread11:23
chronographeryeah.  I got a 2 year old, he gets on and breaks things... like putting all the folders on my desktop into gnome panel. So he gets his own desktoP!11:23
chronographerok thanks riot Ill have adig11:23
unggnuchronographer, 2 years and computer ?11:24
riotkittiemy two year old has his daddy's desktop11:24
riotkittiei tried to warn him, but nooo, he wouldnt listen to me. now he's paying for it. <g>11:24
unggnuIs it one of the clones of Star Wars? ;) Computer without reading makes no sense for me.11:24
chronographerhe started early. i got hes first open office document saved! =)11:24
unggnuBut not bad11:25
chronographerits gibberish. but probably also is modern art eh?11:25
unggnu:)11:25
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unggnuchronographer, Does compiz work on more than one desktop for you?11:27
unggnuMaybe nvidia is able to do it but with Intel it is only possible on one desktop.11:28
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faustounggnu: I'm back, do you know in each package should I report the bug abou the wrong resolutio? Should be xorg or something more specific?11:32
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chronographernot really11:33
slytherinfausto: How about xserver-xorg-video-yourcarddriver11:33
faustoslytherin: thanks11:33
chronographerbut it works fine on one, the telly is only for movies so its fine ( i get no window decs on that one tho)11:33
chronographerCompiz did work using ubuntu's dual monitor setup, but that made me have one big desk. I like two separate small ones11:34
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Lilacorwhat is the virtual kernel image's purpose?11:36
unggnufausto, Which driver was used at first?11:36
slytherinfausto: is this related to intel card?11:37
unggnufausto, fglrx isn't installed by default so I guess it wasn't the bad one which recognizes the wrong resoluiton11:37
unggnuslytherin, no, ati11:37
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slytherinunggnu: ahh, looks like fglrx got uninstalled for some reason11:37
faustounggnu: in fact the list of problems is bigger, for starters the xorg don't work on the live cd (unles in save graphics mode), den when I select safe it starts with vesa (i think)11:38
faustonow after install i instaled the proprietary11:39
faustobut my xorg.conf is showing ati, should,t it be fglrx?11:39
faustoslytherin: fglxr got uninstaled? this is about me ?11:40
unggnufausto, Do you used the Beta?11:44
faustoyes11:44
unggnufausto, yes, it should fglrx so ati works11:44
faustounggnu: sorry ?11:45
unggnufausto, Hm, the Vesa-Ati-Bug should be fixed so Live CD should start with Vesa if no free driver works11:45
unggnufausto, The driver listed under xorg.conf is used.11:45
faustook, so I'm not running the proprietary?11:45
unggnuyes11:46
faustoand how do I enable it ?11:46
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unggnufausto, change ati to flgrx under driver11:47
unggnu*fglrx11:47
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faustoI'll try, be back soon11:49
unggnufausto, And you really tested the Beta LIve-CD with normal start or directly went to failsafe?11:50
faustoI tested the normal start, twice11:51
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faustowhat is the package casper? Why is this bug there? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/13639611:51
ubotuLaunchpad bug 136396 in casper "Gnome startup doesn't go through correctly on Gutsy" [Undecided,Confirmed] 11:51
unggnufausto, So X doesn't start and you see a console?11:51
CountXhow can i test a video device, just to see if it works/11:52
faustounggnu: no, it keeps restarting the xorg untill crashes11:52
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CountXwhere do i set the number of workspaces11:55
CountXits stuck at 2 :(11:55
CountX!workspaces11:55
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about workspaces - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi11:55
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salty-horsehi. I have lots of upgrade problems :)11:57
salty-horselaunchpad-integration and python-apport failed to install, and many packages are "left unconfigured"11:57
salty-horsedpkg even crashed once (with a core dump) after giving the error "too many errors"11:58
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romhi11:58
salty-horsethe dump is in ../../src/packages.c:252: process_queue:Assertion '!queuelen' failed11:59
slytherinCountX: using compiz?11:59
romI have a problem with connexion manager with kubuntu gutsy11:59
salty-horseis there a way to install launchpad-integration and apport, and then return to the old installation?12:00
romI wanted to change only the fonts, in connexion manager configuration, but now it is totally different12:00
romhow to "reset" the default one?12:00
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CountXslytherin, yesa12:07
CountXslytherin, yes*12:07
WhoopieHi, anybody interested in uswsusp with usplash support? I re-added usplash support in bug 109151.12:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 109151 in uswsusp "no hibernate with uswsusp installed" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10915112:08
CountXhow do you get the boot up sounds to work/12:08
CountXi have a shotgun sound i want to play when i boot12:09
CountXany way i can do that12:09
slytherinCountX: sorry keyboard broken12:09
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CountXive heard that one before12:10
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dystopianrayis displayconfig not randr 1.2 aware?12:12
unggnudystopianray, it should be afaik12:16
dystopianrayit wants to make a new xorg.conf file and restart12:17
dystopianrayand does not allow me to select anythinga but 640x480 for the second display12:17
romin gutsy (kubuntu), there is not KDM theme manager anymore :(:(:( ?12:18
romhow to change the login screen?12:18
CountXrom its in prefences, login12:20
rom... no :(12:21
romII have : about me , regional & language, accessibility, default softwares12:21
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romthen apparence, desktop, login screen (but not the one where you put the login/password), window behavior12:21
romnotifications12:21
rom...12:21
CountXi still dont know where to change the number of workspaces12:24
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wabiDis there a way to have my window list sort like items next to each other?12:27
CountXwhat is a keyring?12:29
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wabiDi know in ubuntu gusty that you can control the number of desktops from the compiz options12:30
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penguincentralwabiD: yeah, compiz is great12:30
wabiDagreed i still want to be able to group like windows12:31
wabiDits annoying after years of xp12:31
wabiDif im looking for a firefox window, they should all be next to each other12:31
wabiDnot in the order i opened them12:31
dopezlast i tried (a week or so ago, all updated) compiz didn't play very well with kde (mostly the desktop pager) anyone know if something has changed ?12:31
wabiDnot a kde fan sorry12:32
dystopianraykde can group windows in the taskbar12:32
penguincentralwabiD: i couldn't care less about the war between KDE and GNOME ;)12:32
wabiDi dont want to group though12:32
wabiDtheres no war, im just saying i cant help there12:32
dystopianraythat's exactly what you're asking for12:33
wabiDi just want to sort12:33
dystopianraygrouped windows12:33
wabiDgnome can group12:33
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wabiDthat makes them all one button12:33
wabiDi just want them to be next to each other12:33
dystopianraywell kde does that too12:33
wabiDcool, can i do it in gnome?12:33
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dystopianrayno idea12:33
wabiDwell switching really wasnt the solution i was looking for12:34
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faustoany one knows how can I reintall/regenerate my xorg.conf file?12:35
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wabiDdelete it12:35
dystopianraysudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg12:35
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wabiDwhen you delete it, it creates a failsafe mode file12:35
acusterhey all, anyone else having gutsy hang on boot right after detecting the cd drive?12:35
wabiDwith just the most basic settings12:35
faustowabiD: i did that now I have a working xorg, but no xorg.conf12:35
wabiDthat doesnt sound right12:36
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faustowabiD: it didn't wrote a new xorg.conf, just detected everything and runned12:36
wabiDsometimes reconfigure creates shitty xorg that doesnt boot12:37
dopezanyone running gutsy on a r100/r200 based radeon ? i'd like to confirm something, in 16bit mode neverwinter nights just crashes xorg when started up, in 24bit all is okay but i'm very limited on video memory and all (2d/3d) becomes really slow12:37
acusteryea for the new X12:37
wabiDwhat happens if you edit a xorg setting from the gui12:37
wabiDlike screen resolution12:37
dystopianrayi'm surprised nwn plays at all with the radeon driver12:37
dopeznwn plays quite nice actually12:38
dystopianraybut you don't even have s3 compressed texture support12:38
faustowabiD: it fails saing "You need administrative rights to change all screen settings" eaven thow I entered the sudo password12:38
wabiDthat error is because xorg.conf doesnt exist :)12:38
dopezthere used to be a trick to get it running in 16 bit mode, setting DepthBits to 24 in xorg.conf, but even that doesn't seem to work anymore12:38
dopezdystopianray: i have s3tc support12:39
wabiDwhat happens if you create a blank xorg.conf12:39
faustowabiD: i know, but I think xorg was supose to create a xorg.conf when none is present12:39
dystopianraydopez: how?12:39
wabiDyea its probably a bug, i think i fixed it by renaming a backup12:39
wabiDi had the same problem one day12:39
dopezdystopianray: http://homepage.hispeed.ch/rscheidegger/dri_experimental/s3tc_index.html12:39
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dystopianrayah i see12:42
wabiDi cant believe reservation rewards still exists12:42
faustowabiD: with a blanc xorg.conf the gui tool starts with all fields and options blanc12:42
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wabiDdo you have any automatic backups12:43
wabiDshow hidden files first12:43
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wabiDor, did you restart x, or reboot the computer12:43
faustowabiD: i'm kinda of a experienced user, i have several backups i made (includding one where everything works), i'm trying to find more finormation for a bug repor i'm writing12:44
faustowabiD: and in the process i found 3 more bugs :-(12:44
faustowabiD: i rebooted12:45
wabiDdont you think it should recreate the file on reboot12:45
wabiDi have a bug for you. when you select 1920x1200 as your lcd profile, the default resolution is 1920x144012:45
wabiDand 1920x1200 isnt even an option12:46
faustothis is one of the bug i'found/will report later, in my case when i select 1280x800 it doesn't have 1280x800 as an option12:47
wabiDyea thats dumb, so mine is the same thing12:47
wabiDheres another bug12:47
wabiDpreferences > screen resolution does let you set 1920x120012:47
TheInfinityis it possible that something with apt-sources are bad this morning?12:48
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wabiDbut it only applies to the desktop, not gdm12:48
faustowabiD: have you reported those ones ?12:48
wabiDno12:48
TheInfinitya update will kill almost everything ...12:48
dystopianrayis anyone noticing that compiz does not maximise windows properly?12:48
wabiDdystopianray, yea12:48
dystopianrayis that normal?12:48
wabiDsometimes it over maximises12:48
wabiDlike terminal12:48
dystopianrayit's undermaximising here12:48
dystopianraythere is a gap all around windows when they are maximised12:48
wabiDyea12:48
wabiDi think its the drop shadow or something12:48
wabiDmine is undermaximizing right now too12:49
wabiDthats odd the other day it was opposit12:49
dystopianrayit's like the curved window edges disappear12:49
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wabiDyea12:49
wabiDbecause it thinks its maximized12:49
wabiDgimp is a terrible png compressor12:52
penguincentralwabiD: if we were all quality obsessed, we'd ALL own a copy of photoshop for MAC ;)12:53
wabiDno but printscreen takes a 1.8mb image of my screen12:53
wabiDthen if i open it in gimp and save with max compression it turns into 2.2mb12:54
wabiDi lied, nevermind, interlacing the image adds the extra .4mb12:54
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dystopianrayrandr 1.2 is awesome12:55
scizzo-moin12:57
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wabiDcan anyone explain this or help me fix it - http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4123/granju7.png01:01
bXiwhats the problem?01:01
bXithe big google logo?01:02
kurroslol01:02
kurrosdpi setting01:02
wabiDdpi settings just for one program?01:03
wabiDmy about config values are the same01:03
dystopianrayis anyone else getting a default resolution of 1024x768 with intel graphics?01:04
wabiDlayout.css.dpi are set to -1 for both programs01:04
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Laser87hi, i'm using tb as email-client and gran paradiso as browser01:04
Laser87but links in tb open in firefox01:04
wabiDedit01:04
Laser87how can i change this?01:05
wabiDpreferences > set as default01:05
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nosrednaekimheh... the ATI 8.41 driver doesn'tlike my 64bit install01:05
wabiDsorry for the linebreak k- urros my gran paradiso was like that since i installed it01:05
wabiDi havnt made one change01:05
Laser87gran paradiso is the standard browser01:05
nosrednaekimwha? I thought it was still bon echo..01:06
wabiDwasnt that 201:07
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dystopianrayis anyone else finding that kopete does not work at all from the livecd?01:07
Laser87gran paradiso is firefox 301:07
Hobbseedystopianray: it should be wroking...01:07
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jc-dentonmorning01:07
wabiDyea i still cant get my gran paradiso images to be normal sizes01:08
dystopianrayHobbsee: it doesn't do anything when I try to connect to msn or jabber01:08
dystopianrayi will try again on a different system01:09
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jc-dentondoes anybody have cube running on gutsy?01:10
Hobbseedystopianray: oh, erk.  i see.01:10
dystopianrayHobbsee: it doesn't work for you either?01:11
wabiDdoes anyone else have a reason that only one program would have its own dpi settings01:11
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Hobbseecorrect01:11
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jc-dentoni changed the value for hsize and vsize in /app/compiz/general/screen0/options01:12
jc-dentonbut still my 'cube' is still flat and has only 2 workspaces01:12
Hobbseedystopianray: if you can track down why that bug occurs, file it.01:13
Laser87problem solved: edit  network.protocol-handlerapp in the about:config of tb to firefox-granparadiso01:13
Hobbsee(with a fix)01:14
Hobbseedystopianray: it may already be filed, iirc01:14
dystopianrayok I will look into it01:14
wabiDwhats the difference between desktop plane and desktop wall01:15
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penguincentral!hi | defcon01:20
jc-dentonaha01:22
jc-dentonvirtual desktops and workspaces with gnome/compiz are confusing01:22
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ubotudefcon: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!01:22
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BlueParrotpenguincentral: you can have multiple desktops that you switch between01:23
jc-dentonnow i got it01:23
penguincentralok01:23
jc-dentonyou have to set the number of virtual desktops to 101:23
jc-dentonthen set hsize and vsize01:24
penguincentraleh, if you have no idea what you are doing, then it is best to leave it alone01:24
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cypherdelic udev hngt ab von volumeid (= 113-0ubuntu13); aber:01:31
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cypherdelic  Paket volumeid ist noch nicht konfiguriert.01:31
cypherdelicdpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von udev (--configure):01:31
cypherdelic Abhngigkeitsprobleme - lasse es unkonfiguriert01:31
TheInfinityhello ... perl pakages are broken atm, hmm?01:31
cypherdelicwine packages are broken01:32
TheInfinitywine pakages are also broken, yes ;)01:32
TheInfinitybecause of perl gutsy wants to uninstall almost everything - including xorg etc01:32
jc-dentonoohh i hate localized stuff in the bash01:33
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cypherdelicTheInfinity: no gutsy wine seems not to be broken01:40
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cypherdelic0.9.45 gutsy seems to work01:40
cypherdelicbut 0.9.46 is out ...01:40
cypherdelicvolumeid 1.1.3 btw is broken01:41
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panosruHi, how can i input Euro sign in Gutsy?01:41
TheInfinitycypherdelic: if i install wine via kde control center (it asks to install wine) it installs wine - but then the control center still says that no wine is installed01:42
TheInfinityalt gr + e01:42
panosruwhat is "gr"?01:42
nosrednaekimcypherdelic: you know, there is a fix for that. look it up on launchpad01:43
TheInfinitythe key right side to space key01:43
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vader1102TheInfinity, that would be alt on my keyboard01:43
TheInfinityits a german keyboard, dont know if it has another text on it in other languages01:43
panosruoh you mean press righ alt and e ok it worked thanks! :D01:44
TheInfinitygerman keyboards have alt and alt gr01:44
vader1102ahhhhh ok lol01:44
TheInfinityi think most english ones, too01:44
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panosruin windows i used to press (left) ctrl + (left) alt + e is there a way to make this in ubuntu too?01:44
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TheInfinitysome keyboards have 2 times alt although they have different meenings01:44
=== nosrednaekim never noticed that key
TheInfinitynosrednaekim: you never used latex? ;)01:45
panosrui have russian keyboard for which one i can't find drivers lool01:45
nosrednaekimTheInfinity: nope :)01:45
nosrednaekimcan't say i'm any worse for it either..01:45
BlueParrotpanosru: if you feel really adventurous you could create a custom keyboard layout01:45
Laser87panosru: In German System - Einstellunegen - Tastatureinstellungen01:45
BlueParrotpanosru: I did that because I use both norwegian and swedish characters, and I don't like dead-keys01:45
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panosrucool, well for now right alt and e suits me :D01:46
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Fastlyi just installed a fresh gutsy beta 1 from cd and update manager says i must now perform a partial upgrade.... then whilst preparing the upgrade the following error is displayed: Could not calculate the upgrade01:46
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Fastlyany ideas?01:46
panosruby the way, does anyone have ergomedia 700? (i'm just curious)01:46
mrtimdogHi, which version off gcc was used to build the current generic kernel?01:47
panosruFastly, same thing here, i suppose that these upgrades are not yet ready01:47
RAOFmrtimdog: Probably 4.201:47
panosruFastly, maybe the packages are not uploaded yet01:47
mrtimdogThanks RAOF, is that a guess?01:48
Laser87panosru: should be in English system - preferences - tastatur layout01:48
Fastlyok, well i suppose this is still a beta release..01:48
panosruFastly, yes01:49
panosruLaser87, what should be there?01:49
RAOFmrtimdog: Well, that's the default gcc IIRC.  It's possible that it's deliberately built with an older gcc, but I can't think why.01:49
mrtimdogOk, thanks. Just building ALSA libs to try and get my sound working.01:50
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Laser87panosru: to give special tastatur combinations a special function01:50
Laser87(my english left me)01:50
Blackgoth\\o01:51
Blackgotho//01:51
panosruLaser87, oh great i will check it01:51
vader1102Laser87, my english allways goes away........ no worries01:51
Blackgothwhat kind of major changes are we seeing in gutsy gibbon beta?01:51
panosrubtw, does anyone know anything about the future of reiserFS ? will they continue the development? will the russian programmers continue the development of reiserFS as i read somewhere in announcements?01:52
Laser87in compare with tribe 5? no major changes01:52
Blackgothoh01:52
mrtimdogRAOF: Just checked, default gcc is currently 4.1.01:52
scizzo-Laser87: ?01:52
scizzo-Laser87: there are loads of changes since tribe 501:53
Blackgothperfect \o/01:53
scizzo-http://www.ubuntu.com/testing01:53
RAOFmrtimdog: Sorry, I must be thinking of Debian :).  Anyway, the kernel is almost certanily built with the default gcc :)01:53
scizzo-for info about changes01:53
Blackgothscizzo-: thanks :)01:53
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Laser87scizzo-: I just got 45 actualisations - mostly from one ubuntu-version to the other - no big deal...01:54
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scizzo-Laser87: well then one kernel version from the other is not a big change either then?01:55
Laser87scizzo-:  I still have 2.6.22-generic... something wrong with my update?01:57
panosruTheInfinity, hey man (offtopic) are you from frankfurt?01:57
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Laser872.6.22-12 sry01:58
gianlucahi guys i dont find the page so i ask u when will be disponible all languages pack for 7.1001:58
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scizzo-Laser87: its the latest kernel build for ubuntu01:58
Laser87I had it already last weekend - so it's nothing new for the beta?01:59
scizzo-Laser87: no01:59
scizzo-Laser87: you have surely been on gutsy for a long time01:59
scizzo-Laser87: you probably already was fully updated since you use gutsy since before the beta release02:00
Laser87That's why I said, no major differences between the last alpha and the beta02:00
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scizzo-Laser87: ok...install the tribe 5 CD and then upgrade02:00
Laser87scizzo-: Ok - just a misunderstanding :-)02:00
Blackgothdamnit, im in a loop02:01
Laser87I installed alpa tribe 1 and then always updated02:01
scizzo-Laser87: you are saying that there is no difference between a alpha 5 > beta release?02:01
Laser87scizzo-: Not no, but no major changings - there have been major changings between the alphas02:02
scizzo-jesus...I give up02:02
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Laser87I had several Kernel-updates from one alpha to the next - but no from the latest alpha to beta and just 45 actualisations...02:04
TheInfinitypanosru: bochum ;)02:04
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panosruTheInfinity, oh ok... i try to find any mma gym or luta livre in frankfurt and i can't find any :P thats why i'm asksing :P02:05
TheInfinityjust ask in #ubuntu-de e.g.02:05
TheInfinityi think you will find someone from ffam ;)02:06
panosrulol right02:06
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scizzo-Laser87: yes I was only talking about kernel changes.......now leave it02:08
kadaka1whats the command for turning your laptops screen brightness towards maximum ?02:08
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scizzo-Laser87: if you really say there is no major changes between tribe 5 and beta then ok....02:08
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Seivan|Excuse me, I got no sound at all, and I'm running gutsy, Got a Realtek card, but what for  realtek I don't know02:15
Seivan|ITs a laptop02:15
nosredna_ekimSeivan|: what chipset?02:15
nosredna_ekimATI?02:15
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Seivan|nosredna_ekim: ehm Sound02:16
nosredna_ekimI know... is it an ATI?02:16
Seivan|Ati doesnt make sounds for all I know?02:16
kadaka1heelp! i cant see anything on my screen. I can turn the brightness down, but i cant turn it up02:16
kadaka1its killing my eyes :S02:16
Seivan|nosredna_ekim: no its RealTek02:17
nosredna_ekimkadaka1: lol.. is this a laptop?02:17
kadaka1i tried this:  xgamma -gamma 0.602:17
kadaka1Xlib:  extension "XFree86-VidModeExtension" missing on display ":1.0".02:17
kadaka1Unable to query video extension version02:17
kadaka1nosredna_ekim: yeah02:17
kadaka1Lenovo 3000 N20002:17
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nosredna_ekimSeivan|: I know I know...but do you have an intel or an ATI or an nvidia chipset, i.e what is your graphics card02:18
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Seivan|I have Intel, but my graphicscard is nvidia 860002:18
nosredna_ekimok.. so its intel.02:18
Seivan|yeah02:19
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nosredna_ekimlook up your laptop on www.linux-laptop.net02:19
Seivan|I can choose between two devices, HDA Intel (Alsa mixer) and Realtek ID 268 (OSS Mixer)02:19
nosredna_ekimuse the HDA intel02:19
kadaka1the brighness controls worked under 7.0402:19
nosredna_ekimkadaka1: heh... i'm glad I have hardware brightness control'02:20
Seivan|nosredna_ekim: still no sound02:20
nosredna_ekimSeivan|: look up you laptop on the above link and see if anyone has done this b4.02:20
kadaka1if i plug AC in, then its normal brightness02:22
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nosredna_ekimkubuntu or ubuntu?02:22
kadaka1ubuntu 7.1002:23
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nosredna_ekimkadaka1: ah. I only know how to hack the kubuntu power/brightness manager02:24
kadaka1tell me, maybe its usable02:24
nosredna_ekimits called guidance-power-manager02:25
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CountXyo yo yo wats up02:26
cwilluI spent 8 hours at denny's yesterday, and I'm not an employee of theirs02:27
CountXlol02:27
CountXi spend 9 hours at class02:27
CountXsometimes 1002:27
CountXtoday02:27
CountXat 9am02:27
CountXtill 502:27
nosredna_ekimthey have goood wifi or someting ?02:27
igorgueudev broken on last update?02:28
CountXno i go to class02:28
cwilluyes, in the sense of having it at all, and giving me lots and lots of coffee02:28
CountXis ut2k4 fun on linux?02:28
CountXlike can i play with windows users on a LAN?02:28
ssamigorgue, yes02:28
igorgue:S02:29
igorguea lot of changes since yesterday02:29
ssamigorgue, there is a bug, and i think it has been fix, but the new package has not hit the repos yet02:29
igorgueok cool02:30
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CountXF@#!02:33
CountXI CANT PLAY UT200402:33
CountXCan't find 'ini:Engine.Engine.GameEngine' in configuration file02:33
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DjDarkmanhello02:34
cwilluhey hey02:34
cwillulook at this guy, saying hello to the channel02:34
cwilluwho does he think he is?  :p02:34
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DjDarkmanI have a problem here, If I install xgl, then kubuntu will run it automaticle with every session02:34
d1006that's the intended working of XGL02:35
cwilluDjDarkman: I _think_ it'll just work02:35
DjDarkmanbut the problem comes when I need a _non_xgl session02:35
cwilluDjDarkman: it's not too hard to change it if it doesn't though;  any kdm guide can walk you through it02:35
cwillugdm, kdm et al all have ways of specifying alternate sessions02:36
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d1006cwillu: he's saying it *does* start every time, presumably he doesn't want that02:36
d1006or that's what i understood ^_^02:36
DjDarkmanI mean that I feisty02:36
DjDarkmanI made an xgl session02:36
d1006it's changed since feisty02:36
d1006look on the forums, there's posts about how toggle it on/off as such02:37
DjDarkmanand if I wanted to go to kde without xgl then I selected the kde session02:37
nosredna_ekimDjDarkman: gutsy doesn't do that? wow..02:37
DjDarkmangutsy runs xgl no mather what the session02:37
nosredna_ekimgutsy automatically makes your only session XGL?02:37
nosredna_ekimthats not good.02:37
DjDarkmanand my ati videocard is so good that it can only run OpenGL if I`m in a non-xgl session02:38
d1006xgl automatically makes xgl your default session02:38
d1006like i already said though, just check the forums for how to disable it, it's easy02:38
nosredna_ekimd1006: didn't do that for me before...02:38
cwilluDjDarkman: free driver doesn't work?02:38
nosredna_ekimDjDarkman: just remove xgl?02:38
DjDarkmancwillu: no it doesn`t02:39
d1006xgl in gutsy does nosredna_ekim - old xgl didn't02:39
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nosredna_ekimah.02:39
DjDarkmannosredna_ekim: but I want to sometimes use compiz and sometimes I don`t02:39
nosredna_ekimDjDarkman: same here...02:39
d1006DjDarkman: look on the forums. your solution is easy02:39
LjLi suppose xgl is still supposed to be used for ati cards only...?02:40
d1006if the reason for using it is to enable a compix/et al then yes02:40
LjLwhat's another reason?02:41
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nosredna_ekimold old nvidia cards02:41
cwilluLjL: I'm planning on using it to do multiseat with accelerated opengl02:41
cwillubut I don't know of any good reasons beyond that :p02:41
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Reabycan i change easily nautilus / metacity _NET_WORKAREA thing.02:50
Reabyor change how big will windows grow when maximized02:51
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CountXoh my02:54
CountXwhen i try any play ut2004 i get this error "Critical: Negative delta time!"02:54
CountXwtf02:54
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CountXhow can i specify that a program only use one core of my cpu?03:01
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cwilluCountX: 'apropos affinity' in the console03:02
CountX?03:03
CountXi need to tell the program i launch to use one cpu because it crashes when i run it with both03:03
TheVaultWhy I ran 7.10 for the first time, There was no ubuntu startup sound like usual nor was there that screen showing whats loading up. Has this not been implemented yet in the beta?03:03
CountXso i cant change it after i start it....03:03
cwilluCountX: I'm telling you how to find the answer.03:04
bullgard4Is there a manual page for 'libdiscover1' in Gutsy?03:04
CountXi cant figure out how to use it03:04
CountXcan you give me an example?03:04
cwilluTheVault: doesn't sound right, but I could be mistaken03:04
cwilluCountX: have you run the command yet?03:05
CountXyes03:05
cwilludid it mention taskset?03:05
CountXyes03:05
cwilluman taskset03:05
TheVaultcwillu: Yeah, it did not have no startup sound nor the screen where it shows whats loading up. but in feisty fawn it does that jus fine. I downloaded the Beta ISO last night03:05
cwilluTheVault: is it playing any sound at all?03:05
cwilluit might have been disabled (running off tribe-3 upgraded)03:06
TheVaultcwillu: Well I have not gone that far. Gutsy was taking a really slow time loading up and I have a very fast computer. I donno.03:06
d1006TheVault: the gnome splash screen is disabled atm for gutsy, so it's not a bug that you don't see it03:06
cwilluTheVault: off the livecd, or after an install?03:06
cwillud1006: ah, didn't know that03:06
TheVaultd1006: Ahh that makes sense03:06
CountXcwillu, i have to leave, how might i run something with 1 cpu using that?03:07
TheVaultcwillu: LIVE CD, I'm not installing Gutsy til final release03:07
TheVaultd1006: Also, I was told there is a built in settings manager for Compiz Fusion, where is that? I can't use the cube & other things. Any ideas on that?03:07
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d1006TheVault: you need to install that, it's not installed by default (well, the default is like...2 options i think)03:08
d1006compiz-configuration-manager or similar in synaptic03:08
MatthewVcompizconfig-settings-manager iirc03:09
TheVaultd1006: Ahh ok, Thank you very much for the information. I thought something went wrong during when I burned the ISO onto the DVD03:09
TheVaultAnd that it skipped the Gnome Splash Manager & things03:09
d1006nps and yes it's called what MatthewV said03:09
TheVaultd1006: Any other information that I should be aware of?03:11
d1006TheVault: it's beta and some things are or get broke :D searching the gutsy forums is A+ though03:12
cwilluI feel the need to point out that it's a beta, and that breakage is expected03:12
d1006snap cwillu :P03:12
cwillu:p03:13
TheVaultd1006: Of course its the beta :P03:13
TheVaultd1006: Well I'm off to try out Gutsy again and see if I get AWN installed using the LIVE cd. Laters & thanks again 4 the help03:13
cwilluawn?03:14
d1006:shrug: :P03:14
bullgard4Is there a manual page for 'libdiscover1' in Gutsy?03:15
cwillubullgard4: might need a -doc package installed first03:15
cwillualthough I don't see one03:16
cwillucould check the -dev package03:16
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cwillubut the package itself only has a changelog and copyright in share/doc/03:16
cwillubullgard4: what do you need it for?03:17
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bullgard4cwillu: To better understand and use the hardware identification mechanism of Ubuntu.03:18
cwilluhave you looked through hal and udev stuff yet?03:19
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savvasum has anyone updated today?03:24
savvasUnpacking replacement xserver-xorg-core ...03:24
savvasSetting up volumeid (113-0ubuntu13) ...03:24
savvas/var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst: 56: Syntax error: ")" unexpected (expecting ";;")03:24
LjLugh03:24
LjLlet me check if my xserver-xorg-core got updated03:25
Hobbseesavvas: yes....03:25
d1006yes but that error is a udev error03:25
HobbseeLjL: read more carefully.03:25
savvasyeah, I saw it crash03:25
Hobbseesavvas: already fixed, waiting to build.03:25
savvasHobbsee: so I shouldn't restart gnome?03:25
Hobbseeor you could just fix the script if you like03:25
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Hobbseegnome?  that wont make any differnece, i expect03:25
savvasoh, ok then :)03:26
LjLHobbsee: sorry. how come i wasn't caught by that? (on the other hand, i think there's a file in kbluetooth that is also in qobex)03:26
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savvasbrb03:26
RainCThi03:26
HobbseeLjL: i've already fixed tha tone.03:26
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LjLHobbsee: oh, that must be why my adept icon is still in the tray :P03:27
RainCTwill there be Gutsy CDs? I'm looking on the Beta download page but there are only DVD images :S03:27
HobbseeLjL: yeah03:27
HobbseeRainCT: please read the /topic03:27
Tomcat_RainCT: See topic03:27
Hobbseeit sometimes contains useful information03:27
Hobbseeand really wouldnt kill you to read it.  it'd make you look less like an idiot, too.03:27
d1006ouch ^_^03:28
LjLHobbsee: oh wait, you've fixed that by pulling qobex? :o)03:29
HobbseeLjL: qobex was removed earlier in the gutsy release cycle.  i fixed it by making libkbluetooth0 conflict with qobex, and qobex-dev so it doesnt break upgrades.03:30
Hobbsee(qobex in turn already conflicted with qobex-dev, and we need to nuke both)03:30
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savvascool, so waiting for udev and volumeid :)03:31
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MarkCi've made a program that does nothing(it's blank) but i have a problem on linking: /usr/include/gtkmm-2.4/gtkmm/papersize.h:37: undefined reference to `Glib::ustring::ustring(char const*)'. so what could cause this? im sure my automake.am file's cool. i even used: INCLUDES = `pkg-config --libs --cflags gtkmm-2.4`it ran the last time, but ever since ive upgraded to gutsy this happens could it be related?03:31
LjLuhm Hobbsee, not that i couldn't just purge qobex out of the planet, but out of curiosity, how come libkbluetooth isn't removing qobex itself even after an apt-get clean?03:31
HobbseeLjL: because you dont have the latest one?03:31
Hobbseeapt-get clean is unrelated03:32
RainCTHobbsee: I see you are specially kindly today03:32
LjLHobbsee: well, i've typed apt-get update+dist-upgrade like a dozen times, though perhaps it hasn't made it to my mirrors yet03:32
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savvasI'm using the uk mirrors03:33
HobbseeRainCT: you're the 50 billionth person who has asked about those cds.  what do you expect me to say?  we put things in the topic, like we do in the bot, so we dont have to keep answering the same questions.  and so what do people do?  dont bother to read them.03:33
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HobbseeLjL: which version of kdebluetooth do you have?03:33
Hobbsee(you're wanting ubuntu4)03:33
LjLHobbsee: Installed: 1.0~beta8-0ubuntu303:33
d1006savvas:03:33
LjLsame for candidate03:34
savvasd1006: ?03:34
d1006just fix the file yourself if you don't wanna wait03:34
HobbseeLjL: that's why, then.03:34
HobbseeLjL: (mirror outdated)03:34
LjLHobbsee: trying archive.ubuntu.com03:34
savvasd1006: no, it's fine, since nothing's broken :)03:34
HobbseeLjL: oh, it's just building now03:34
Hobbseehttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds03:34
d1006okay ^_^03:34
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HobbseeLjL: there was a mass perl-modules giveback, so everything's still building.03:34
LjLi'll wait then03:35
RainCTHobbsee: I don't see it says anything about CDs or DVD in the topic and it's easy to thing releases.ubuntu.com is the same as cdimage.ubuntu.com. What's the difference between them, btw?03:35
Hobbseeholy crap.  https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+builds?build_text=&build_state=pending03:35
savvashm.. I had an error with update-manager before this big update. when I ran update-manager it popped an error saying: Please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the following error message:03:35
savvas'E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.'03:35
Hobbseethat's a *lot* to  build03:35
Hobbseesavvas: already reported.03:35
Hobbseealthough if you've got useful logs to add, please find the bug and add it to them.03:35
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savvasdidn't find anything in the system logs I checked, Hobbsee :(03:36
cwilluRainCT: main difference being that one has the beta, the other doesn't03:36
savvasI might as well sit back then :)03:36
HobbseeRainCT: the last line, yeah.  r.u.c != cdimage.u.c.  releases.u.c does the official cds (as in,official arches), and cdimage does the daily builds, and unofficial images.03:36
Hobbseesavvas: darn.  was hoping that there was something.  oh well.03:36
RainCTah ok, thx03:37
LjLHobbsee: about bluetooth... there is a bug report about that - kblueplugd crashing on login - with people saying conflicting things. but i kind of suspect it's just that... 'bluetooth' doesn't get installed by default (even even when it is, it doesn't get *started* by default as it gets no /etc/rc2.d script)03:37
savvasHobbsee: haven't checked dpkg though, let me see03:37
LjLand kblueplugd doesn't like that i suppose03:37
HobbseeLjL: i didnt look into that one03:37
DevideZeroun kubuntu 7.10 i will not able to choose the root pass like kubuntu 7.04 ?03:37
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phil_RainCT: i think one has cd images and the other dvd images03:37
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HobbseeDevideZero: incorrect.  it hasnt changed.03:38
LjLHobbsee: it's a bug that will get quite a few duplicates i suspect, as apport catches it right when you login03:38
foondanhi03:38
Hobbseephil_: please read what i said.  i said that hte unofficial arches are on cdimage, (which includes things like ppc), and the dvds are, because they'r eunofficial.03:39
DevideZeroHobbsee , it will be changed sometime ?03:39
Hobbseephil_: the official cds are on releases.u.c03:39
HobbseeDevideZero: why would it be?03:39
DevideZeroHobbsee , in all the other linux dist i can choose root pass . . .03:39
LjLnot that kblueplugd *ought* to crash just because bluez isn't installed, but03:39
Hobbsee!root03:40
ubotuDo not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo03:40
LjL!root | DevideZero03:40
ubotuDevideZero: please see above03:40
cwilluDevideZero: #ubuntu might be a better place to discuss it03:40
foondanI've got a question about a sl-modem bug03:40
cwilluooo, ubotu's getting smarter :)03:40
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hyljecwillu: always been doing that03:41
savvasHobbsee: sorry, it's long gone, but I think it was the tracker tool, it was listed in the kept back while I was updating03:41
cwilluhylje: 'please see above?'   not always.  for a while, but not always :p03:41
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:LjL] : Broken packages in the latest updates batch, please wait a little before upgrading | Please *don't* run Gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Don't use development version of Ubuntu on production systems | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu | See releases.ubuntu.com for the beta
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LjLcwillu: yeah, for a while though03:41
DevideZerocwillu , i know who to run software with root access , and i know that i can sudo -i . . . but i dont understand wahy kubuntu ban the users to choose root pass and get to super user03:41
cwilluDevideZero: it doesn't.  It just doesn't make it easy for them to shoot themselves in their feet03:42
LjLDevideZero: how does it ban you from getting to super user?03:42
LjLwhen you type sudo -i, you *become* the superuser03:42
foondanThere is no dev assigned to the sl-modem kernel module compile bug. would somebody please have a look at it?03:42
HobbseeDevideZero: they dont.  please actually read that page.03:42
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Hobbseegah.  damned people who are incapable of searching for dupes.03:43
Hobbseenope, someone else go tit.03:43
bullgard4cwillu: hal-spec.html does not mention libdiscover1.03:43
DevideZeroHobbsee , one question i can choose *somehow* even iin "hard" way the root pass (like in ubuntu) or not ?03:43
LjLDevideZero: you didn't read the page did you03:44
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HobbseeDevideZero: you'll find the answer to that if you actually read the page.03:44
RAdamsAny thoughts on Reiser4 as a main FS for an Ubuntu install? I'm on the live CD and pondering a change from ext303:44
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LjLoh wait Hobbsee...03:45
cwilluRAdams: -> #ubuntu03:45
void^RAdams: the livecd/default ubuntu kernels support reiser4?03:45
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Tecumsehanyone having problems with the updates that came today? package volumeid is nog able to be configured03:46
jack_mcdowellthey just worked now,03:46
HobbseeTecumseh: /topic.03:46
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RAdamsvoid^: You have to install the reiser4 tools03:46
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Tecumsehthx Hobbsee03:46
RAdamscwillu: I asked there, no opinions were presented03:46
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DevideZeroHobbsee , so i need this ? "sudo passwd -l root"03:47
RAdamsI'm using Gusty anyway :o03:47
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HobbseeDevideZero: yeah.  (and i'm not sure who changed that page)03:47
Hobbseesorry, without the -l03:47
cwilluRAdams: so obviously the answer is to come bug people in the beta :p03:47
RAdamscwillu: Of course, if I'm using Gusty03:47
RAdamswhich I am03:47
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RainCTlol03:48
DevideZeroHobbsee , ok last question , for kde what will be this command ? "gksudo "gnome-open %u""03:48
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foondanCould some dev please have a look at #10307203:48
foondanbug ##10307203:48
asisakbug 10307203:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 103072 in sl-modem "[Feisty & Gutsy Tribe]  sl-modem module doesn't compile" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10307203:48
void^RAdams: there's a module available?03:48
HobbseeDevideZero: depends on what %u expands to, but usually kdesudo %u03:49
RAdamsvoid^: sudo apt-get install reiser4progs libaal-dev libreiser4-dev03:49
DevideZeroHobbsee , to create shortcut with "kdesudo %u" command ?03:50
void^RAdams: it suggests kernel-patch-2.6-reiser403:51
HobbseeDevideZero: what shortcut do you want to create?03:51
HobbseeDevideZero: but yes, if you wish03:51
RAdamsvoid^: yes, it does03:51
DevideZeroHobbsee , like they say in this page , sortcut for "drag and drop" what i will run something with "automatic" sudo03:52
void^RAdams: so you need to compile it and make sure it gets included in the initramfs which is a bit of a pain03:52
RAdamsvoid^: I can format a partition as reiser4 right now03:53
RAdamsvoid^: from the live CD, then boot from it. I'm just not sure I want to03:53
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cwilluRAdams: what are you looking for?  or just because it seems cool?03:54
void^you can format it, but how are you going to mount it..?03:54
cwilluRAdams: it's not cool, it's not fun, there's nothing to see here :)03:54
RAdamscwillu: Please don't patronize me. I understand the difference between filesystems.03:54
RAdamsI'm looking for increased speed and handling many small files, while maintaining integrity in the event of system crashes, hung inodes, etc.03:55
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cwilluiirc, you'll lose some integrity (ext3 can do more extensive journalling)03:55
HobbseeLjL: udev stuff has all been built now.  we should be right.03:56
savvasyep, updated03:56
RAdamscwillu: http://kernelnewbies.org/WhyReiser4IsNotIn Interesting article I found via google.03:59
RAdamsand http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/7/21/109 for Hans' side04:00
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savvasI'm glad everything works in Gutsy, even the Marvell ATA/SATA controller :)04:01
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Dr_willisHowdies all.04:03
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penguin42Does anyone know how to 1) disable totem-plugin (or turn off individual file type bindings) or  2) Configure the plugin so it doesn't do 3D visualisation stuff (It seems to be turned off in the stand alone app)04:03
penguin42Hi Dr04:04
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foondanDoes some dev have some time to help me?04:08
penguin42LjL: Does that mean the fix for volumeid has gone in?04:08
cwillupenguin42: you can rename/move/delete the plugin from the mozilla plugins directory (assuming you're talking about firefox?)04:08
kirkuniturgh.. i've managed to hose my system doing a dist-upgrade from feisty to gutsy. Boot splash screen hangs and if I try and earlier Kernel X is not configured. Can anyone help?04:09
LjLpenguin42: it should have, though i guess it still depends on the mirror04:09
penguin42cwillu: Well I am using firefox; and if I go to about:plugins it has 'enabled: yes' for all the items - that does suggest you can disable it!04:09
penguin42LjL: OK, the update I did a couple of hours ago still had it04:09
Hobbsee!weekend | foondan04:10
ubotufoondan: It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.04:10
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cwillupenguin42: are you sure it's not xv related?04:11
panosruhi, how can i convert video files into 3gp format?04:11
Dr_willisTesting out some New installs -  and i noticed a oddity. if you use restricted-manager on a clean new install (first thing i did) it was unable to get the nvidia (or ati) drivers. due to the proper repository not being enabled,  - Anyone else notice this?04:11
cwillupenguin42: I didn't think totem's visuals were actually accelerated04:11
Dr_willisTook me 5 sec to enable them.. but my newbie friend was confused. :)04:11
cwillupanosru: --> #ubuntu (this is mostly about gutsy beta troubleshooting)04:11
d1006Dr_willis: without changing repos on a fresh install restricted drivers worked fine04:12
d1006(for me)#04:12
panosruoh ok! :D04:12
Dr_willisd1006, did ya do a apt-get update first?   Could be somthign tehy fixed real fast.04:12
penguin42cwillu: I thought it was Xv related when I had a crash with compiz+video playing last week; but I just had a matching crash playing an MP3 via the totem plugin - I guess it might startup Xv even if it has no video04:12
cwillukirkunit: reboot, and remove splash and quiet from the kernel line04:12
cwillupenguin42: that's what I'm guessing04:12
penguin42cwillu: What's broken with it? Xv used to be stable as a rock on feisty on i94504:12
cwillupenguin42: open gstreamer-properties, go to video, and set it to noxv04:12
kirkunitcwillu: ok thanks.. i'll try that...brb04:13
d1006Dr_willis: pretty sure it was from a totally fresh install. perhaps a repo or connection issue. need more details though i think, as it did work for me fine04:13
cwilluXv was/is broken on some intel's with compiz running04:13
penguin42cwillu: But the thing is I've now got compiz off - which is what confused me04:13
cwillua recent update fixed it on my particular card, so you might try that04:13
d1006however if it was fixed /updated between me using it and the beta fresh install, there's no prob now i guess04:13
cwillupenguin42: it's only broken in the browser?04:14
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penguin42cwillu: I'm not 100% sure04:14
ReL1Kcwillu: the updates today?04:14
gnomefreakpenguin42: if it worked in feisty not in gutsy using a i945 my thought would be the new intel drivers (since they ahve been an issue for a month or 204:14
gnomefreaks/ahve/have04:14
ReL1Ki got an intel card and xv is still unstable..haven't updated yet today04:14
penguin42gnomefreak: Is this the 'intel' as opposed to 'i810' drivers?04:14
cwilluReL1K: no, updated a week ago04:15
ReL1Kah04:15
gnomefreakpenguin42: its the experimental intel drivers this houses driver for i810 and up04:15
gnomefreakmaybe one or 2 lower as well04:15
gnomefreakpenguin42: its wrapped up in xserver-xorg-intell-something   (cant think of name of it off hand04:16
penguin42gnomefreak: If the new driver is flaky why not just stick to the old one for older chips?04:16
gnomefreakxserver-xorg-video-intel04:16
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cwillupenguin42: newer driver has much better head-detection, among other things04:16
gnomefreakpenguin42: im guessing they will get bugs out of it04:16
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gnomefreaksince it was uploaded yesterday/early this morning they have changed a few things | hard to tell since im not looking at changelog04:17
ReL1Kthere were intel driver updates today?04:18
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penguin42hmph - no changelog.hz in /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg-video-intel04:18
gnomefreak.hz?04:18
penguin42typo04:18
penguin42no changelog.gz04:18
gnomefreaksource or LP will hold the changelog04:19
penguin42LP?04:19
gnomefreakgive me a minute04:19
penguin42a bit unfortunate - I'm used to looking at the changelog.gz's04:19
gnomefreaklaunchpad04:19
penguin42ah04:19
penguin42there is a note in the xserver-xorg-video-i810 in the last update of 'use xf86XVFillKeyHelperDrawable() to fix video playback with compositing enabled'04:20
gnomefreakhttps://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel04:20
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penguin42hmm but that i810 fix was August04:21
LjLreinstating the topic because at least 1.0~beta8-0ubuntu4 of kdebluetooth hasn't made it to archive.ubuntu.com yet, not to mention the other mirrors04:21
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gnomefreakpenguin42: the link i gave you is the changelog for the experimental package (not really experimental) not sure why we call it that maybe due to some of the drivers in it04:22
penguin42nod - thanks; I think that is the driver I'm using now - although as I said; I turned compiz of last week - I'd rather have stable than pretty04:22
gnomefreakAllow xserver-xorg-video-i810 and xserver-xorg-video-intel to coexist until -intel is able to replace it completely.04:22
gnomefreaklol04:22
xero9364upping the dates04:23
xero936490 of em04:23
penguin42which is why was more surprised when it crashed in the same way04:23
xero9364Wait. What's broken in this batch?04:24
gnomefreakLjL: the broken packages is it just kdebluetooth? i know bluetooth on gnome is up to its old tricks again04:24
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penguin42if intel cards aren't stable on release it'll be pretty bad; I hate to think how many people we'll get with it04:24
gnomefreakpenguin42: again it will get fixed "forget the word "experimental" for now04:25
LjLgnomefreak, there also seems to be an udev problem, though i haven't experienced it, but it has been confirmed. people won't die out of waiting a few minutes before pressing Enter on their dist-upgrade, anyway ;)04:25
TheVaulthow do you get the cube to work in gutsy. I'm using the LIVE CD right now I can do other things besides the cube. Any ideas or maybe a change in key combination?04:25
gnomefreakLjL: thats not good04:26
xero9364TheVault, the cube isn't there until you install compizconfig-settings-manager04:26
xero9364and tweak it04:26
Trewasxvideo actually works now on 915GM with intel driver, it did not work a week or so ago when I tested... at least the driver improves :)04:26
TheVaultxero9364: I did sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager and it said "something not found. So that don't work04:26
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LjLsavvas, please inform me if/when you can upgrade without the udev error, if you don't mind04:27
xero9364TheVault, then I don't know. Ask someone else.04:27
gnomefreakLjL: either i did the udev update yesterday or it was pulled out of updates04:27
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TheVaultHmmm I'll keep trying04:27
fulat2khi folks, i'm using adept-manager to upgrade from feisty.  but upon installing the packages, i'm having core dump from perl.  any ideas?04:27
gnomefreakbut i am not getting errors04:27
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xero9364Do you have an Advanced Desktop Effects Settings in your System>Preferences?04:27
gnomefreakfulat2k: dont use adept to upgrade04:27
xero9364If so, CLICKY CLICKY!!!04:27
TheVaultNah, its not there04:27
fulat2kgnomefreak: i'm on kubuntu04:27
LjLgnomefreak, well, for that matter i didn't get the problem at all, but hobbsee confirmed it - she also confirmed it as fixed now, but since she also said the new kdebluetooth package has finished building, and yet i still can't get it from archive.ubuntu.com...04:28
gnomefreakfulat2k: upgrading for some reason is broken for 98% of users with adept or not04:28
TheVaultxero9364: Nah, the Advanced Desktop Effects is not there04:28
gnomefreakLjL: hmmmm04:28
xero9364TheVault, then I'm stumped.04:28
TheVaultYeah I know :P04:28
TheVaultUnless I gotta enable more repositories here on the LIVE CD :P04:28
xero9364Try universe/mltiverse04:29
gnomefreakTheVault: no but depends what crad you have04:29
TheVaultYeah, I'm opening up that now04:29
wersdaluvwhat's the opensync gui frontend for gutsy?04:29
gnomefreakcard*04:29
TheVaultgnomefreak: crad?04:29
TheVaultoh :P04:29
gnomefreakcard*04:29
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TheVaultYeah I got a card that works with Compiz Fusion04:29
TheVaultIts the Intel Integrated 945GM Chipset04:30
gnomefreakTheVault: some of the intels work outof box others you have to use restricted-manager to enable the drivers and it wil set everything up for you.04:30
gnomefreakTheVault: should be out of box supportt04:30
TheVaultgnomefreak: Well in my case the restricted manager did not come up so I'm assuming thaat it works right outta the box04:30
TheVaultI'll figure it out. Thanks guys for the help04:31
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penguin42Which Intel cards need restricted?04:33
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jack_mcdowellpenguin42: to get the most up to date drivers I use envy, ubuntu will probably run anyway, but you wont get the most out of your card04:36
jack_mcdowellpenguin, sorry, envy is for ati and nvidia :)04:37
sear_yodawhee, the new perl-modules made it in!04:37
jack_mcdowellpenguin: but the same goes for intel, if you want the most out your card  use the restricted drivers (you should also be willing to edit the xorg.conf if you do this)04:38
Trewasthere are no restricted drivers for intel graphics cards04:39
Trewasthough "cards" is a bit overstatement because they only have integrated stuff04:39
jack_mcdowell:) my bad, I'm not an intel person04:39
albert23LjL: I just survived 148 updates, including udev (on Gnome)04:40
sear_yodaudev/volumeid are fixed as of now04:40
LjLfixed *and* on the mirrors?04:40
sear_yodalooks like it04:40
LjLbecause *ubuntu4 of kdebluetooth still isn't04:40
sear_yodaGet:10 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main volumeid 113-0ubuntu14 [74.3kB] 04:41
jack_mcdowellyep, all upgrades work on the mirrors it seems04:41
HobbseeLjL: may just not be published yet?04:41
LjLHobbsee: 'published' meaning... on the mirrors?04:42
Hobbseeyes04:42
Hobbseewell, even on a.u.c04:42
LjLHobbsee: were the udev thing and the kdebluetooth thing in the same batch?04:42
Hobbseehm, definetly should be there by now04:42
HobbseeLjL: udev was earlier04:42
HobbseeLjL: but i've no idea how long the mass giveback took04:42
LjLuhm well Hobbsee, i don't suppose many people have qobex installed? (it wasn't a dependency of much, was it)04:43
HobbseeLjL: they probably did from feisty04:43
Hobbseei suspect it was a dep of kdebluetooth then.04:43
LjLthen it's still a big issue for kubuntu users - i still have 18 packages not fully updated or blah blah04:44
LjLi think i'll wait before changing the topic04:44
HobbseeLjL: patience, patience.  give it a couple of hours.04:44
Hobbseebesides, that thing's been broken for days.04:44
Hobbseea couple more hours wont hurt.04:44
LjLsure Hobbsee, i'm just thinking about whether to change the topic back or not04:44
Hobbseebased on how many people use kubuntu, it should be fine04:44
Hobbseebut i would leave it, for the perl stuff04:45
LjL...04:45
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LjLwell *i* use kubuntu and you use kubuntu, it makes almost 1% of the users of this channel :P04:45
HobbseeLjL: hehe :)04:45
HobbseeLjL: point04:45
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d1006no one seems to read the topic anyway so.. ;)04:46
LjLthat, too04:46
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darwin81Can anyone post in the pastebin what the default Gutsy sources.list is? I was stupid and forgot to make a backup before messing with it.04:46
sear_yodatry the sources.list generator04:46
LjL!source-o-matic | darwin8104:46
ubotudarwin81: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic04:46
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LjLmine is not very "default"!04:47
kevinOdoes ubuntu support bluetooth devices04:47
penguin42yeh! /me forcibly extracts the URL to the realplayer stream for a Beeb radio program and stuffs into gmplayer04:47
penguin42kevinO: Yes04:47
LjLkevinO: yes04:47
kevinOpenguin, can you guys point me in the right direction04:47
LjLkevinO, do you have the 'bluetooth' package installed?04:48
kevinOnop04:48
LjLsure?04:48
LjLtry  apt-cache policy bluetooth 04:48
kevinOcool04:48
Vorbotedarwin81, there is always /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list04:48
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LjLThe following packages will be REMOVED:  qobex04:49
LjLso, i think it has made it04:49
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kevinOLjL:  ok i did that it says there are none installed, should I install the "bluetooth" package04:50
LjLkevinO: i think so04:50
LjLHobbsee: (see, bluetooth isn't installed by default even on gnome... even though perhaps the gnome bluetooth tools don't crash like the kde ones :>)04:50
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kevinO ok i installed the package "bluetooth", now how do i configure it?04:51
LjLkevinO, you could use the console tools, but i'm pretty sure there are some GUI tools available by default in GNOME. you should ask someone else or check your menus, though, because i'm on KDE04:52
Vorbote./j ##freebsd04:52
Vorboterats!04:52
kevinOok04:52
penguin42Haha! Revealed04:52
LjLtraitor04:53
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VorboteHahaha04:53
LjLoh and, i got a new udev too in the current batch of archive.ubuntu.com uploads04:53
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VorboteI wish there was support for vserver in Gutsy....04:55
LjLwhat's a vserver exactly?04:55
dopezVorbote: userspace apps for openvz seems to be in gutsy, so you only need to make your own kernel04:56
fracoI use gnome, but with the upgrade to gutsy the default mouse pointer changed to that of kde. How do I get it back to the gnome default?04:56
VorboteIt is like a souped up freebsd jail environment. A chroot with its own network, devices and security isolated from the host, but using the host's kernel. It doesn't have the DomU/Dom0 overhead of Xen.04:56
LjLuhm i thought the default mouse pointer was the same in GNOME and KDE04:56
Dr_willisfraco,  gnome has selectable cursor themes, it can even show them/change them on the fly.04:56
VorboteAnd you don't need a hypervisor for have run at metal speeds.04:57
Dr_willisTheres the 'X' cursor, then kde, and gnome both can have their own. I recall. but they both default to the normal X cuersor.04:57
dopezoh, and i just saw that the utils for vserver is also already included in gutsy04:57
fracoDr_willis, how do I change them?04:57
LjLVorbote, doesn't that sound like kvm - which i think is supported?04:57
fracocoz all the gnome desktop themes refer to the default pointer04:57
LjL(since feisty)04:57
fracoi g2g04:57
fracosorry04:57
Dr_willisfraco,  theres a Mouse cursor theme tool somewhere...04:57
kevinOanyone know why I get this error: W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool main/b/bluez-gnome/bluez-gnome_0.14-0ubuntu1_i386.deb 404 Not Found [IP: 91.189.89.6 80] 04:58
VorboteLjL, no, KVM needs a hardware hypervisor. vserver does resource partitioning on the system.04:58
Dr_willisor at least there used to be.. :) cant find it.04:58
LjLwhat is this, bluetooth-packages-breakage day?04:58
VorboteLjL, it is very mush alike to Solaris Zones.04:58
HobbseekevinO: because it's not there?04:58
LjLVorbote: uhm well i'll have to read up on that. though apt-cache search vserver does show some related stuff04:58
kevinOHobbsee: i think your wrong04:59
HobbseekevinO: at least, according to wget it's not there.04:59
LjLehm no, she's not wrong04:59
VorboteLjL, yes, the tools but not the patched kernels. BTW, Debian seems to have halted Xen kernels and focused on vserver. I'm using Sid to play with vserver and I'm very enthusiastic about it.04:59
LjLhttp://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool main/b/bluez-gnome/bluez-gnome_0.14-0ubuntu1_i386.deb is a 40404:59
xero9364Is it safe to update yet?05:00
kevinOwell maybe i shgould rephrase my question, Why is it not there05:00
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LjLkevinO: that's another question, to which i don't know the answer05:01
HobbseekevinO: is it on the regular a.u.c?05:01
Hobbseeif so, then it just hasnt propogated to your mirror.05:01
Hobbseeif not, then you'll need to look further05:01
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LjLHobbsee: it is there on the italian mirror for instance, but it's not on a.u.c05:02
LjLkevinO, short answer, just wait05:03
kevinOlooks like they changed the name05:03
HobbseeLjL: duh.  because 0ubuntu2 is out.05:03
Hobbseei thought that sounded fishy05:03
Hobbseeand your mirror is (yet again) out of date05:03
kevinOhttp://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/bluez-gnome/bluez-gnome_0.14-0ubuntu2_i386.deb05:03
HobbseeLjL: aare you aware that you can use two sets of mirrors?05:04
HobbseekevinO: new version, yes.05:04
LjLHobbsee, no, maybe it isn't this time -- i didn't check with apt-get, i just went straight to the URL on both mirrors05:04
LjL(and i don't normally use the italian mirror, either :)05:04
LjLHobbsee: how? by simply putting both into sources.list?05:04
HobbseeLjL: yep.  works a charm.05:04
LjLwhat about apt-torrent for gutsy+1 :)05:04
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HobbseeLjL: that brings up a whole other group of issues05:05
LjLactually, what about apt-get-with-axel-or-aria2-and-bother-the-hell-out-of-the-server-admins05:05
Hobbseethe what now?05:05
Hobbseei hope sladen does some nice work with delta updates05:05
LjLHobbsee: i meant, downloading from multiple mirrors concurrently :)05:05
Hobbseehe mentioned it at UDS, but i never heard anything else05:06
LjL(something that the 'axel' and 'aria2' packages can do)05:06
HobbseeLjL: ahhh.  apt never does things concurrently.05:06
Hobbsee(perhaps for good reason?_05:06
LjLHobbsee: no, it doesn't, but it would be just a matter of making it use aria rather than wget i think05:06
LjLbut then again, i'm not sure the mirror admins would appreciate that05:06
LjLwhat would a delta update be?05:07
HobbseeLjL: the downloads concurrently would be good05:07
HobbseeLjL: only download the part that needs upgrading05:07
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LjLwell in a way, yes, they'd spread the load on multiple servers05:07
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LjLbut each user would take up many more download slots05:07
Dr_willisapt-torrent   :) get updates via bitrorrent!05:07
Dr_willis:)05:07
LjLDr_willis: it *does* exist05:08
Dr_willisactually im suprised thats not more common.05:08
Dr_willisLjL,  i figured it did. :) just wasent sure if it was useable. heh05:08
LjLHobbsee: the part *of a single package*? i suppose that means storing multiple diff files on the servers05:08
LjLDr_willis: i don't think it is, easily at least05:08
xero9364bug 1 is surely not going to be fixed with this kind of Bluetooth breakage...05:08
ubotuLaunchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105:08
Dr_willisI could see my ISP yelling at me for sharing too much LEGAL stuff. :)05:08
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LjLxero9364, come on, it's just mirrors updating05:08
Dr_willisxero9364,  given how much ive fought with Bluetooth under windows.. Im suprised anyone even uses bluetooth.05:09
xero9364LjL, the US mirror (which most download from) isn't updated.05:09
HobbseeLjL: i suspect that's the idea - but have no idea about the feasibility05:09
LjLwho says most download from there?05:09
Hobbseexero9364: ...05:09
LjLi'd say most download from archive.ubuntu.com05:09
Hobbseexero9364: patience, patience.05:09
LjLwhich as far as i'm aware, isn't in the US05:09
xero9364Hobbsee, k.05:09
HobbseeLjL: you're correct.05:09
gnomefreakxero9364: sure it is05:09
HobbseeLjL: isle of mann, iirc.05:09
Dr_willisI notice a lot of openoffice updates... joy.. I need to remove openoffice someday..and soon. :)05:10
gnomefreakxero9364: im using them atm and they are for the most part up to date05:10
Hobbseegnomefreak: mostly?05:10
gnomefreakDr_willis: updates are good that means bugs are being fixed05:10
Hobbseegnomefreak: a.u.c is the *leading* mirror.  it has to be up to date.05:10
Dr_willis http://us.archive.ubuntu.com is what i seem to be using by default05:10
LjLHobbsee: tax paradise with no copyright laws in place? ;P05:10
gnomefreakyeah i dont run mirrors so i cant say fully05:10
Dr_willisgnomefreak,  yep. :) but i never use openoffice... gotta love updates for stuff ya never use.05:10
HobbseeLjL: ahhh, so that's why they have multiverse there presumably05:10
LjLDr_willis: just because you told the installer that you're in the US05:10
HobbseeDr_willis: you can remove it05:11
gnomefreakDr_willis: i used it first time in over a year the other day05:11
gnomefreakLjL: yeah i know :(05:11
Dr_willisgnomefreak,  yep. I find that abiword does what little wordprocessng i need.05:11
gnomefreakLjL: i normally use gb or uk if gb is down05:11
LjLi use se, it's faster than it.05:11
Dr_willisI did hand out Openoffice cd's to my friends at work who were wanting a decent wordprocessor.05:11
LjLfor me, that is.05:11
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Hobbseejust because it's not worth lagging behind, when uploading things.05:12
LjLgnomefreak: i think gb *is* archive.ubuntu.com... or at least, uhm, it used to be05:12
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gnomefreakit is05:12
LjLsome time ago, when the US mirrors were badly down, their DNS actually redirected to the se mirrors05:12
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HobbseeLjL: hasnt been for a while.05:12
Dr_willis!info o3read05:12
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ubotuo3read: standalone converter for OpenOffice.org documents. In component main, is optional. Version 0.0.4-1 (gutsy), package size 14 kB, installed size 96 kB05:12
HobbseeLjL: gb is ubuntu.datahop.it05:12
gnomefreakbut i noticed archive.ubuntu.com is US if us is removed from sources05:12
LjLHobbsee: ... excuse me? the british mirror is located in italy? =)05:13
gnomefreakor was05:13
gnomefreaki hope not05:13
HobbseeLjL: as in, gb != a.u.c05:13
gnomefreakthat would be weird05:13
woodwizzleI have a HDD with data on it. I'm not sure which filesystem it is. I need to put it in my fstab, but I'm not sure if it is ext3, reiserfs etc.05:13
woodwizzlehow can I find out?05:13
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HobbseeLjL: or so ping tells me05:13
LjLHobbsee: yeah, i got that, but at least i'd have figured it was *british*05:13
penguin42woodwizzle: You can say auto05:13
HobbseeLjL: true05:13
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woodwizzlepenguin42: Yeah, thats how I've been doing it, out of fstab05:13
LjLHobbsee: it's not the same network that provides it.archive.ubuntu.com, however05:14
woodwizzlepenguin42: but I'm also kinda curious05:14
LjLdatahop.it... first time i hear of them05:14
penguin42woodwizzle: You can put auto in the fstab itself05:14
woodwizzlepenguin42: Is there a utility I can run to find out what fs it is?05:14
darwin81The touchpad on my laptop has a button to turn it off and on. When I use the button to turn it off then on again the Ubuntu Help Center comes up. This happened in Feisty too.05:14
penguin42woodwizzle: If you want to know which it is, then with it mounted I think if you type   mount    it should tell you05:14
LjLuhm, actually they *are* british, looking at the home page05:14
LjLsuppose an .it domain costed less :P05:14
woodwizzleok thanks05:14
gnomefreakhmmmmmm thats odd05:14
HobbseeLjL: *nod*05:14
penguin42.uk domains don't cost much05:15
gnomefreakit seems disabling ESD doesnt help the error unless one of the updates reset it05:15
LjLanyway, everybody believes ".it" stands for information technology05:15
LjLwhich is why we always get tons of offtopic postings in English on the Usenet05:15
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gnomefreakthats odd05:15
cdm10I'm noticing a really strange delay with any network activity in Gutsy.05:15
cdm10It pauses for about 10 seconds before it starts transferring data.05:16
LjLit concentrates.05:16
VorboteYou would have seen the uproar when some boofin tried to market our country ISO id commercially (I'm in .co).05:16
Vorbotes/boofin/boffin/05:16
cdm10So, if I go to any site, it'll stick for 10 seconds in the "Looking up bla.com" stage and then start loading it.05:16
cdm10This doesn't happen in Windows or Feisty.05:17
LjLcdm10: seems like a DNS issue05:17
penguin42cdm10: What happens if you try dig blah.com from a command line?05:17
cdm10penguin42: dig?05:17
LjLcdm10: what do you have in /etc/resolv.conf? do you have resolvconf running? did you have it running in feisty?05:17
penguin42cdm10: It does DNS lookups05:17
cdm10I had feisty running with defaults, and gutsy is as well.05:17
Hobbseehm, didnt know about dig05:17
gnomefreakthat might explain why i didnt see udev issue05:17
cdm10the problem is, it's now cached.05:17
cdm10can anyone think of a random site for me to use?05:18
penguin42Hobbsee: Very useful - it's like nslookup was years ago but more flexible - and it's only 3 characters :-)05:18
LjLgoogle.com?05:18
cdm10Already been done today.05:18
cdm10It only delays once, seemingly.05:18
cdm10Actually, it seems to be pretty random.05:18
LjLcdm10: amiga.org05:18
cdm10ok.05:18
LjLaros.org05:18
cdm10instant response.05:18
LjLand if you want more Amiga-related spam, i'm here for you.05:18
gnomefreakcdm10: yes give me a sec05:19
cdm10but with Firefox, or APT, or anything else, I get a delay.05:19
Vorbotecdm10, as well, try using "mtr <target site>" See if there is a bottleneck somewhere in the route.05:19
gnomefreakhttp://spiralflog.com/05:19
cdm10Vorbote: it's with every site.05:19
penguin42cdm10: Are you using a proxy?05:19
cdm10penguin42: not unless one is enabled by default.05:19
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Vorbotecdm10, if your ISP has a transparent proxy, mtr would allow you to discover it.05:19
cdm10I have to go now, but I'll be back in 5 minutes.05:19
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cdm10Hmm, it seems to be getting caught at the router.05:20
cdm10Strange that Gutsy would have that problem but nothing else...05:20
cdm10i'll be back in 5...05:20
penguin42gutsy doesn't do anything like get more aggressive about ipv6 or the like does it?05:21
branstromHi guys. I'm running gutsy since a few days before the beta. Now, tracker is freezing whenever I use deskbar with either of the plugins (live or normal search) and start typing something05:21
gnomefreakbranstrom: does it do it on a fresh boot?05:22
branstromYes. Rebooted twice.05:22
branstromHm, no.05:22
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branstromNow it works. The last reboot fixed it apparently.05:22
LjLthey're evil05:22
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Dr_willisim still not sure what    avahi   even is..or what its part of.05:23
gnomefreakreboots dont fix anything really but they are good at cleaning out memory05:23
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gnomefreakDr_willis: its garbage but needed garbage from what i understand hal and avahi are close to earchother05:24
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LjLneeded, bah05:24
Dr_willisi just rember seeing some 'eth0:avahi' and thinking.. i need to research that some day...05:24
Dr_willis:)05:24
LjLmy computer runs fine without them05:24
LjLwhile it didn't with05:24
LjLoh, and i forgot network-manager.05:24
gnomefreakbut not real sure what it does, i think its for hardware detection or soemthing lije that05:24
Dr_willisThey part of the upnp stuff ? or what does avahi stand for anyway?05:25
Dr_willisupnp routers and so forth?05:25
Vorboteavahi is the OSS implementation of the Bounjour protocol (invented at the Fruit Company). Allows for network auto-configuration without a DNS nor a DHCP server in the neighborhood05:26
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LjLalso known as "why me?"05:26
Dr_willisso its like a distributed dhcp server? althe pcs have a say in it?05:26
attunixWhere can I download the new "Elephant" wallpaper available in Gutsy? I'm on Feisty.05:27
gnomefreakits in gutsy already05:28
penguin42Dr_willis: Yeh something like that - the idea is that you can get a switch or a crossover cable and just glue a pile of machines together without having to have any servers05:28
gnomefreakone of them anyway05:28
penguin42it vaguely ensures they get unique IPs and I think names05:29
gnomefreakalbert23: you can find them on wiki.ubuntu.com <search for gutsy> and look for artwork or art and its there05:29
VorboteAFAIK, yes. It has its own network subclass assigened by IANA and everything. In theory, if a machine can't find a DHCP server that assigns it its network config, it broadcasts a Bounjour/Rendevouz packet and negotiates with the surrounding machines an IP in the Bounjour range. It can discover DNS servers in the LAN as well.05:29
gnomefreakthe readish brown elephant is already in gutsy-wallpapares05:29
LjLpenguin42: i crashed a Macintosh (i mean, another guy's Macintosh) once by setting the same IP as his on my machine...05:29
LjLi mean, of course that was entirely unintended05:29
cdm10Hi, I'm back.05:29
attunixgnomefreak: what do you mean?05:30
Dr_willisThat reminds me.. do many mondern laptops support crossover 'detection' where one can put a normal cable from one to another, and haveit realize it its not a crossover cable. and 'enable' the crossover feature?05:30
LjLattunix: he means you can have more useless eyecandy that looks funny05:30
Dr_williswhats the right term.. 'auto senseing' ?05:30
penguin42Dr_willis: I believe it's a standard of GigE05:30
Dr_willispenguin42,  ahh.. cool.  too bad my laptop dont have GigE.05:31
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penguin42ditto05:31
LjLtoo bad my laptop is not a laptop05:31
Dr_willisneedign to find a little 'crossover' cable or adaptor for 2 laptops at work then.05:31
gnomefreakattunix: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GutsyIdeas?highlight=%28gutsy%2905:31
penguin42Yeh Avahi is a pain when you are trying to hunt network problems and keep unplugging the cable and avahi keeps fiddling05:31
LjLDr_willis: build one. if you get one pre-built, it's 1 meter long and it costs you ten times as much05:31
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gnomefreakattunix: the redish/brown eleiphant is already in default gutsy gnome05:32
LjLsome places will happily cut the cable for you and crimp it for you05:32
penguin42we have an elephant?05:32
Dr_willisLjL,  i got one.. its just 30ft long.. :) and i broke off one of the plastic bits.. heh05:32
attunixgnomefreak: yeah, but I'm on Feisty :(05:32
gnomefreakpenguin42: yes i didnt download it so im assuming it is default05:32
Dr_willisLjL,  id like to have some simple adaptor i can put between 2 cables.05:32
gnomefreakattunix: than you should be asking in #ubuntu not in here05:32
LjLDr_willis: plus, if you get a crimping tool, you can easily build your own ethernet-to-mains "adaptor"05:32
penguin42Dr_willis: Yeh you can get little crossover boxes05:32
Dr_willislooking for bits and parts for my05:33
attunixgnomefreak: sorry; it's because it's a gutsy wallpaper so I thought here'd be alright :(05:33
Dr_willis'pc toolbox' i am gathering up. :)05:33
gnomefreakattunix: its not a gutsy wallpaper its a proposed wallpaper for gutsy05:33
attunixoh05:33
attunixdo you know where I can get it, though?05:33
Dr_willisHmm.. is there a 'network switch' or hub that can run off of usb power? That would be handy.05:33
attunixLike apt-get ..... ?05:33
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gnomefreakattunix: the wallpapers are pretty much same there added a few from the page i gave you but if you read the page it should explain that these are markups (how do you like my wallpaper for gutsy type thing)05:34
gnomefreakattunix: download it from the page i gave you05:34
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LjLrats - yeah!05:35
attunixgnomefreak: the problem is that I want the copy without the logo05:35
attunixlike in the beta05:35
gnomefreakattunix: than look on the g=page there should be ones without the logo05:35
attunixgnomefreak: where's the g= page?05:36
Vorboteattunix, as well you can go to packages.u.c and grab the source package there.05:36
gnomefreakattunix: scroll up in your irc lcient and look for the link i gave you05:36
attunixok I'm there05:37
attunixgnomefreak: where's the g=?05:37
gnomefreakattunix: you looking at the page?05:39
attunixgnomefreak: yes05:39
gnomefreakattunix: look/scroll down the page until you find it and download it05:39
attunixbut it's not there05:40
gnomefreakattunix: there is nothing hard about that. and i have way too much load on my pc to open links and search them05:40
Dr_willisfriend at works wants a program like yakuake  - Only for gnome.. any reccomendations?05:40
attunixok05:40
VorboteDr_willis, tilda05:40
gnomefreakattunix: than it was taken off the page (highly unlikely) than either get it from package.ubuntu.com or wait until you install gutsy (ask someone on gutsy to post it somewhere05:40
Dr_willisVorbote,  ok. :) looking at the package managers.. i dident want to install/try themn ALL :) to find one that works decently05:41
attunixok05:41
VorboteDr_willis, tilda is basically a neutered gnome-terminal, so it works mostly OK... :-P05:41
martalli_I am trying to figure out where my pilot is showing up to configure kpilot in gutsy kubuntu... in dmesg it merely says http://pastebin.ca/719724 but doesn't say what /dev link the device is on.  How can I check that?05:42
Dr_willisVorbote,  heh..  Yea. once ya get used to those tools.. its hard to live without05:42
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Dr_willisDoh... tilda aint liking the compiz stuff i think...05:43
Dr_willisit showed up once... then now its just all solid white. :)05:44
Vorbote:-(05:44
Dr_williswhite on white. :)05:44
Dr_willislittle hard to read the text that way05:44
wersI am having problems with the new Appearance Preferences App05:45
wersit is slow and the gui does not refresh05:46
wersbefore, I had no problems with it. might be because of an upgrade05:46
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redheathi everyone05:49
redheatjust a quicky question,05:49
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redheatI just installed gutsy, ubuntu 7.10, and I was wondering which nvidia drivers to use05:49
VorboteDr_willis, try yeahconsole (I've noever used it myself).05:49
vishalraoi know i asked this on the ubuntu channel, but, is it too late to send in some feedback on the beta, not bug reports, but suggestions more like it?05:49
redheatthe one that came bundled with the distro or the nvidia drivers provided by nvidia05:49
Dr_willisVorbote,  yea. that one works ok.. but setting the keyboard short cut is a bit awkward. :005:49
Dr_willisyou can configure it via xresources:05:50
redheatguys05:50
redheatanyone05:50
redheatI can install the others drivers in a second05:51
redheatother*05:51
Dr_willisHmm.. with the compiz stuff..be nice to see some embeded term ya could bringup easy.05:51
Dr_willisredheat,  i run the restricted-manager tool and check 'use the nvidia drivers'05:51
Dr_willistakes me.. 2 sec.. :) well theres the download it does also.05:51
Dr_willistakes me less time to do it.. then it took you to ask about it. :)05:52
redheatyou mean, you want me, if I want to use the other drives,, to uncheck the nvidia drivers part05:52
redheatand then install the other ones..05:52
Dr_williswhat other ones?05:52
redheatI also got the restricted manager tool05:52
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Dr_willisIts best to use the nvidia drivers from the reposiutories.. dont use the ones from the nvidia web site.05:52
redheatthe drivers provided by Nvidia05:53
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redheatnot the glx-new ones provided by Ubuntu05:53
redheatto show you what I mean, this is my post on ubuntuforums.org05:53
Dr_willisusing the nvidia ones fromt heir site.. can cause issues..  and can be  pain to trouble shoot.05:53
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redheathttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=497284&highlight=redheat05:54
Dr_willisOn a new install. i run restricted-manger, click the enable nvidia, it then downloads the rght packages from the repositories. i reboot. and thats all i do.05:54
redheatno no..it is so easy..a breeze actually05:54
Dr_willisUsing the 'latest from the nvidia web site' can cause some issues with upgrading later.05:54
redheatI do that all the time, only the last time I was running it on Feisty Fawn not gutsy gibbon05:54
redheatand they still worked like a charm05:54
redheatDr_willis, did you get that URL?05:55
platiusunable to find which app I need to execute the codecs-gnome.ymp from the 10.3 restricted formats page, I am using 10.3_6405:55
Dr_willisredheat,  i dident say they WONT work..im saying they can cause problems later. IF you use them.05:56
redheatabsolutley not..they never did, at least for me, they never did05:56
redheatespecially if you followed that way05:56
Dr_willisredheat,  and i can point out a dozen peopel a week - that have huge problems doing it that way.05:56
redheatI tried the one by Tseliot05:57
redheatit sucks05:57
redheatstill05:57
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redheatanyway,05:57
Dr_willisof course I stick with whats in the repos.. so.. what was the original question anyway? i missed it.05:57
redheatwhere did beryl go?05:57
redheatits called compizfusion now, right?05:57
cdm10redheat: yes05:57
Dr_willisyep05:57
redheathow do I start it ?05:57
cdm10redheat: it's built in05:57
cdm10redheat: go to System>Preferences>Appearance05:58
cdm10redheat: it's in the visual effects tab.05:58
cdm10redheat: if you want an advanced configuration thingy, do < sudo aptitude install compizconfig-settings-manager >05:58
redheatthat's what I was looking for05:59
redheatoh one more thing, just commenting on what Dr_willis said..05:59
savvasLjL: i upgraded fine, the next "wave" of upgrades was ok :)05:59
Dr_willisi wonder if theres a compiz faq factoid allready out? :)05:59
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redheatwhere's that part of the settings configuration that controls the Anti Aliasig, and Anistropic FIltering05:59
redheatdon't see that anywhere05:59
Lilacoris there any way I can get movies to not fuzz up while compiz fusion is on?05:59
Dr_willisLilacor,  hmm.. not noticed that.. let me see..06:00
Dr_willisoh wait i need the video codecs first. heh :)06:00
savvasLilacor: graphics card?06:00
Dr_willisthe list of 'things to do on a clean install' gets longer for me every time06:00
Lilacornvidia06:00
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savvasi have nvidia nx7300gt and the movies are ok06:00
Lilacorif I play movies without desktop effects, it's fine06:01
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savvasdid you install the restricted driver?06:01
Lilacorif I turn on desktop effects and run vmware/play movies....everything goes wacky06:01
Lilacoryes06:01
redheatanyhow, gonna try my luck with the Nvidia drivers..06:01
redheatcdm10, Dr_willis..thank you so much for your help06:01
ratpoisonhello! using gutsy amd64 I have encountered some problems with packages udev and volumeid http://pastebin.com/m7d27073506:02
redheatthank you guys and take care06:02
savvasratpoison: try upgrade again06:02
LilacorI find it hard to believe that nobody else gets a fuzzy screen of crap when playing movies under compiz fusion06:03
Daisuke-LaptopLilacor: no, just you :P06:03
ratpoisonsavvas: same output. btw are you greek? (in case you're not savvas is a greek name)06:03
savvasi am :)06:03
savvascypriot actually06:03
savvasratpoison: gksu gedit /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst06:03
savvason line 56 press enter and add: ;;06:04
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MattUKwhat date is the final release of Gutsy expected?06:04
HobbseeMattUK: see the release schedule in teh topic06:04
savvasratpoison: forgot to mention, ctrl-I jumps to the line you want06:04
MattUKOh thanks, I couldnt see the topic on this client06:05
ratpoisonI'm greek, but let's use the english in the channel.06:05
MattUKGreek? Off-topic but Im going to Greece soon06:05
MattUKHobbsee: thanks06:05
savvasgood luck heh06:06
ratpoisonMattUK, if you got any questions I can answer, come prvt06:06
ratpoisonsavvas: all fixed, many thnx06:06
savvaskanena provlima :)06:07
Dr_willisLilacor,  i dont see any issues here.06:08
savvasLilacor: did you restart after enabling the visual effects?06:08
Lilacorsavvas: no sir.06:08
MattUKratpoison: done06:09
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savvasLilacor: which graphics card do you have? can you restart and see if that fixes it?06:09
kadakasafter upgrading to 7.10 the resolution is all messed up06:09
Lilacor G72M [Quadro NVS 110M/GeForce Go 7300] 06:10
kadakasmy laptops screen is 1680x1050, but when i choose this resolution in xorg.conf, the screen does not fit in my laptops screen06:10
Lilacorsavvas: yes, I'll try that right now06:10
kadakasalthough the resolution is correct06:10
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vishalraoim unable to find/install the w32codecs to play an AAC online radio stream... i installed vlcplayer and tried a search on synaptic, no go... are the packages still in flux until final release?06:10
eeanmvishalrao: you have multiverse and everything?06:11
savvaskadakas: try system > admin > screens and graphics06:11
kadakasok06:11
Dr_willisWoa awsome.. whenya alt-tab or Super-Tab. for the task switcher.. the video stillplays inside the 'mini-window-taskswitcher' thing. :)06:11
vishalraoeeanm: yup looks like i do06:11
eeanmvishalrao: well I just upgraded, I have w32codecs installed06:11
Dr_willisVideo Playback seems find here. Nvidia 880006:11
eeanmany idea why digikam is being "held back" from upgrade?06:12
vishalraodoh, eeanm: what mirror/server are you using as your source?06:12
eeanma local mirror06:12
vishalraocan you paste the actual hostname and whether its http or ftp?06:12
vishalraoi tried a couple of mirrors, no luck06:12
eeanmit would be really slow for you, our university has crap internet. but it just syncs with the main server every night06:12
savvaseeanm: try sudo apt-get install -f && sudo apt-get install digikam06:12
Dr_willisapt-get dist-upgrade06:13
Dr_willisperhaps?06:13
vishalraohmmm, i already tried main, anyways its not important, will try again tomorrow :)06:13
Dr_willisim not sure when one should use 'dist-upgrade' really. :)06:13
eeanmsavvas: heh well apt-get install digikam appears to have worked06:13
Lilacorawww man! this window's bar wobbled above the top and I can't reach it!06:13
Lilacorgrrr06:13
Daisuke-Laptopi found an upgrade and then a dist upgrade worked best for me06:13
Daisuke-LaptopLilacor: holt alt and drag the window06:14
savvaseeanm: sometimes when there are a lot of upgrades, you upgrade first and then try again the packages that are held back06:14
Daisuke-Laptophold*06:14
Dr_willisthat alt-drag feature is SOOOO handy. :)06:14
LilacorDaisuke-Laptop: whew! now *THAT'S* a command handy to remember - thanks!06:14
Daisuke-Laptopyou're welcome06:14
Daisuke-Laptopand it is handy :D06:14
Dr_willisthats like been in X for... ages hasent it?06:15
savvasyou should try the fire writing :)06:15
Dr_willisOr is that actually window manager specific.06:15
savvasI use it for a "Don't touch" message while I'm away :P06:15
Dr_williswe were showing off the compiz stuff last night at work.06:16
Dr_williswoobly windows, exploding windows. water effects...06:16
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Dr_willisit willbe scary - a year fromnow - there will be sooooo much silly eye candy out..06:16
xero9364lol06:16
xero9364not just silly06:16
xero9364holographic06:16
xero9364like the window is pwning your face when it explodes06:16
Vorbotevishalrao, there are no AAC streams that gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse hasn't reproduced for me yet.06:17
savvasDr_willis: I hope you gave them some cds for the road :)06:17
Dr_willisfloating cubes as dock spaces.. with video playing on them as you watch.06:17
Lilacorokay, I don't know what happened yesterday but *NOW* it's working fine!! >_<;; double grrr!06:17
Dr_williswhen are we going to get icons that are actual movies... :)06:17
savvashm..06:19
Daisuke-Laptopnow *that* has a large number of uses...06:19
Daisuke-Laptop>_>06:19
savvaswhat's this message: ldconfig deferred processing now taking place ?06:19
Lilacorisn't there a way to have moving backgrounds?06:19
Daisuke-LaptopLilacor: in enlightenment, yes06:19
savvashappens every time an install/upgrade is done06:19
Dr_willisicon.avi in every folder.. for  videos :)06:19
Daisuke-Laptopanywhere else, i don't thing so...  yet...06:19
Dr_willisyea enlightment has some scripting thang that lets ya do animated  backgrounds06:20
Dr_williswe got that water drip effect. but not quite the same06:20
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eeanmis there documentation of this new audit thing in dmesg?06:20
eeanm[ 1622.256000]  audit(1191082768.875:33):  type=1503 operation="inode_permission" requested_mask="rw" denied_mask="rw" name="/dev/tty" pid=9673 profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd"06:20
Dr_willisI want a nice pretty  Aquarium in the background. :)06:20
RAdamshas anyone else noticed gParted crashes almost constantly on the Gusty Live CD?06:20
eeanmwhat does that mean :)06:20
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Dr_willisRAdams,  cant say that ive seen it crash onme - in the 3 installs ive done.06:21
Dr_willisbut all i did was delete some partitions06:21
savvasRAdams: what are you trying to do? :)06:21
penguin42eeanm: I think that is apparmor06:21
vishalraospeaking of crashes, anyone seen ekiga softphone crash upon startup everytime?06:21
bonjhi, got a question with the lpd printing...06:22
savvasRAdams: you have the gutsy beta right?06:22
Daisuke-Laptopi do like that it dropped the ring switcher in favor of the shift thing06:22
RAdamsdr_willis: it crashes everytime I delete partitions, then try to make a new one, also crashes everytime it finishes ANYTHING, though it does do it correctly06:22
Daisuke-Laptoppretty groovy06:22
RAdamssavvas: yes06:22
eeanmpenguin42: my printer isn't working (didn't work in feisty either) so I'm thinking this info might be relevant :)06:22
Daisuke-Laptopit = compiz fusion06:22
savvasRAdams: dell laptop?06:22
RAdamssavvas: no06:22
savvasweird06:23
Daisuke-Laptopsounds like the issues i've been having with ktorrent on the desktop06:23
bonjlolz... mine printed send the job, but after that it will says lpr spooling 93% or 97% completed06:23
LilacorHow do I take advantage of the new virtualization features in this kernel?06:23
savvastry with another partition manager06:23
Daisuke-Laptopit crashes whenever i add or remove a torrent :(06:23
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savvasqtparted or.. i dunno :\06:23
Daisuke-Laptopmake sure you have hardware virtualization06:23
savvasDaisuke-Laptop: try deluge-torrent :)06:23
LilacorDaisuke-Laptop: I do.06:24
Daisuke-Laptopthen you can use virtualbox in seamless mode with nearly any guest OS06:24
Daisuke-Laptopsavvas: does it properly respect the private flag, and report correctly?06:24
LilacorI'm more interested in KVM at the moment and was wondering if I needed to change any features to take advantage of this new feature06:24
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bonjthanks06:25
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Daisuke-Laptopmmmkay, deluge is allowed on the tracker i'm most concerned about.06:27
savvasDaisuke-Laptop: what flag? :\ don't know anything about flags, all i know is that it works06:27
eeanmis there a GUI for App Armor?06:27
Dr_willisi saw that gutsy has app-armor but not sure what it is. :)06:28
Dr_willis!info app-armor06:28
ubotuPackage app-armor does not exist in gutsy06:28
Dr_willis!find armor06:28
ubotuFound: apparmor, apparmor-utils, libapparmor-dev, libapparmor1, linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-12-386 (and 8 others)06:28
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Dr_willis!info apparmor06:28
Dr_willisi wonder whats in apparmor-utils :)06:28
ubotuapparmor: User-space parser utility for AppArmor. In component main, is standard. Version 2.1+993-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 306 kB, installed size 2056 kB06:28
penguin42Dr_willis: It's a layer that allows for a particular program to restirct what it is allowed to do - much finer grain than unix permisisons06:29
Dr_willispenguin42,  cool.. no idea why I personally would use it..:) but still...06:29
Dr_willisI rember seeing it mentioned on some other disrtos befor.06:29
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penguin42Dr_willis: e.g. I think you could restrict which files your webbrowser can read or write so even if there is a hole in the browser it can't do as much harm06:29
savvasI remember seeing apparmor mentioned in the logs.. brb06:30
Dr_willisLunch time.. bbl06:31
penguin42it looks by default only cupsd has any restrictions loaded06:31
vishalraoLilacor asked about KVM, Im interested too whether gutsy will have KVM and virt-manager etc... ?06:31
Lilacorkvm is available in feisty06:31
vishalraofor feisty some forum posts seem to indicate virt-manager is not packaged? will it be for gutsy?06:32
Lilacorgutsy has kvm also but I want to make sure I'm using the new virtualization layer06:32
vishalraoLilacor: what is the "new" virt layer?06:32
penguin42kvm is cute, but I think you do need VT in your processor, xen lets you do stuff without that06:34
Lilacorhttp://lwn.net/Articles/175706/06:34
Lilacorhttp://www.linux-magazine.com/online/news/suse_linux_enterprise_server_with_virtualization_interface06:35
vishalraooh is that VMI a hypervisor? what if we want regular full-virt to simply run a guest os? that will still work, right?06:35
vishalraoi mean, for unmodified guests...06:36
Lilacorvishalrao: I'm pretty sure it's _not_ a hypervisor...it's a common interface for all virtualization software to use... it's to clean up the various implementations and how they interact with the linux kernel06:37
vishalraook :)06:38
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branstromHow do I get some pixels of padding between icons on my Gnome panel?06:47
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branstromLike "Applet Padding" at the bottom of this document: http://www.collaborium.org/onsite/jos2000/related/guides/gnome/confglobal.html06:51
branstromI can't find it anywhere...06:51
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mrtimdogWhat's the official way of applying a ubuntu patch onto a source tree? The source tree being for alsa-driver.07:02
gnomefreak!packaging | mrtimdog07:05
ubotumrtimdog: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports07:05
mrtimdogThanks gnomefreak.07:06
gnomefreakyw07:06
gnomefreakmrtimdog: best place to ask in #ubuntu-motu for packagiing questions07:06
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mrtimdogOk, not visited there as yet.07:06
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penguin422nd X crash of the dya07:11
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Skiessi:/ flash player doesn't care about mouse clicks when compiz-fusion is enabled07:19
Skiessi"Disable Flash."07:19
Puaffplease, does anyone know when will be available the vmware kernel package?07:20
Puaffvmware module kernel package, I meant07:20
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TQuidOi folks.07:27
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TQuidSo, I increased my gnome desktops to four, and now when I switch to other than the first one, I lose my top & bottom bars, and am thus stuck. Is there a default screen-switching key combo.?07:28
TQuidAnd is that a known bug?07:28
penguin42TQuid: I think I once saw that ages ago - but are you using compiz, and how are you switching desktops?07:28
TQuidusing compiz, yes, and just using the little mini-screen in the lower-right corner to switch--the default method, afaik.07:29
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TQuid(I've actually been trying to figure how to set edge sensitivity and haven't found it so far. Just finding how to increase # of desktops was a pain in the patookus--that really ought to be in the context menu of the little map.)07:29
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TQuidHm, guess I'll kill the X session, now, as my download seems to be done. *grumble*07:30
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TQuidHm, I bet it's cause I had the pager show the desktops in a square.07:31
TQuidI'll test that presently.07:31
penguin42TQuid: That little mini square (desktop switcher) doesn't really play well with compiz07:32
TQuidHm, no repeat of that behaviour now, though I do lose the desktop shortcuts.07:32
TQuidWhat's the recommended switcher?07:33
penguin42With compiz ctrl-alt-left/right seem to work OK and you can ctrl-alt-down to get a strip where you can flick through; personally I just turn off compiz07:33
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penguin42and I get a nice 3x3 desktop set07:33
TQuidI tried ctl-alt-<arrow> when i was stuck & it didn't seem to work.07:33
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TQuidLet me make sure I understand, isn't compiz where you get all the fine-grained control over animations &c.?07:34
richardhowdy, I'm trying to get my synaptics touchpad workin in the lovely gutsy gibbon07:34
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kRushyou shouldn't set the number of desktops in gnome when using compiz afaik07:34
TQuidHrm.07:35
kRushthere are options in compiz that behave better07:35
TQuidI did use compiz.07:35
TQuidIt was under "advanced settings" (whatever it's called on the menu--it's compiz) and the General button, and the desktops tab. That is compiz, yes?07:36
kRushI misunderstood your previous statement then07:37
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TQuidHm, but I see here there is a separate "desktop plane" option.07:38
TQuidAnd that has the ctl-alt-arrow shortcuts, and is *not* enabled. So I'm better off leaving it at one desktop in general and enabling the plane?07:38
TQuidNo, wait, now it says use desktop wall . . . yeesh.07:40
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TQuidHm, weird.07:45
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ray_hi any one good with helix here07:50
ray_?07:50
ray_any one here07:50
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ray_hi jacob07:51
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ray_k07:52
ray_jacob any good with helix player07:52
Pumpernickel!anyone07:52
ubotuA large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?07:52
Jacobray_: other than using it once ;)07:53
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ray_jacob cant seem to get it going with firefox07:53
ray_what i do07:53
Jacobhmmm... i don't think i know; haven't tried the plugin07:54
ray_any good with helix player?07:57
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penguin42does anyone else have a read-edid package?08:00
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ray_penguin you any good with helix player08:00
penguin42sorry, no - I tend to use gmplayer with realplayer streams08:01
penguin42I don't think I've ever had helix work on here08:01
ray_penguin how i remove a helix player if installed from real page and use this one08:01
ray_how do i08:01
penguin42Is this the helix plugin - how did you install it exactly?08:02
ray_penguin42 i did this one https://player.helixcommunity.org/2007/releases/hx1gold/HX1_0_9ReleaseNotes.html#install08:02
ray_how i get ride of it08:02
penguin42did you install as root or your normal user?08:03
ray_normal user08:03
penguin42ok, so do an ls -l of ~/.mozilla/plugins08:03
ray_lrwxrwxrwx 1 ray ray 48 2007-09-29 12:29 nphelix.so -> /home/ray/Desktop/HelixPlayer/mozilla/nphelix.so08:04
ray_lrwxrwxrwx 1 ray ray 49 2007-09-29 12:29 nphelix.xpt -> /home/ray/Desktop/HelixPlayer/mozilla/nphelix.xpt08:04
penguin42ok08:04
ray_thats what i get how i get ride of it so i can install yours08:04
penguin42so move those nphelix.so and nphelix.xpt soemwhere else and restart your firefox08:04
ray_how do i do this never did this im new to 7.1008:05
ray_i want to delet it08:05
ray_and get helix off my system for good08:05
ray_and install yours08:05
penguin42so just use mv   to move those two files into a temporary directroy somewhere else or just delete them08:06
ray_penguin42 hope can help08:06
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ray_penguin42 but how do i i never did this in this build08:06
ray_penguin42 can you walk me throw it08:06
penguin42It's the same as all unixes - just do   rm ~/.mozilla/plugins/nphelix.so08:06
penguin42and the same for .xpt08:06
penguin42that should remove the helix stuff from mozilla08:07
pvandewyngaerdehow do i change the kubuntu splash screen to the gutsy one ?08:07
gnomefreakthe usplash and i guess you mean from kubuntu to ubuntu?08:08
gnomefreakif you installed kubuntu in gutsy it is a gutsy usplash08:09
ray_penguin42  what can i use for real fopormate i saw it put helix in my trash08:09
gnomefreakif using feisty dont make it gutsys just wait until you install it08:10
penguin42ray_: Sorry, I don't understand that question08:10
ray_hold on08:10
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ray_penguin42 what player can i use to play back real player files08:12
ray_?08:13
ray_penguin42 still with me08:14
penguin42IF you are on a 32 bit machine then the binary RealPlayer should work; I also find that gmplayer works, you can also try 'kaffeine' from KDE08:14
ray_i have theat im in ubuntu 7.10 for dell lqaptop08:14
ray_e150508:14
penguin42but if you can get Real's realplayer to work I would try to stick with that; but I've not got realplayer to work on 64 bit08:14
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isthatallis there any compelling reason to upgrade to gutsy like today? are things pretty stabilized now?08:17
d1006it's a beta so no unless something doesn't work for you in fesity and you've heard it's fixed in gutsy08:18
gnomefreakisthatall: upgrade is broken08:18
isthatalllol, that answers that08:18
gnomefreakisthatall: clean install is fine some issues here and there but it is beta08:19
isthatallI'll just wait then, thanks08:19
d1006Since when is 'upgrade broken'? ^_^08:19
gnomefreakd1006: about 5 days ago it started08:20
d1006People on forums seem to be upgrading... maybe there should be a warning... breaking upgrade just as beta starts seems pretty insane08:21
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nanonymehow broken?08:21
nanonymeyou mean aptitude dist-upgrade doesn't work?08:21
afiefMy intel sound card is not working on Gutsy, is this a known problem?08:21
thegroverit's been 50/50 for me - my amd64 machine didn't take well to it, but my 32-bit machine worked fine08:22
DanaGHmm, have any of you used apt-zeroconf?  I've installed it, but without anybody else around, it's useless.08:22
gnomefreaknanonyme: no i mean update-manager works less than 30% of time and adept --version-upgrade is all kids of borked08:22
DanaGAnd the originator's domain has now been squatted, as of yesterday or today.08:22
gnomefreaknanonyme: doing it manualy is not the best idea atm either08:22
nanonymegnomefreak, well, i did just that08:22
nanonymewhen i upgraded08:22
gnomefreaknanonyme: if update-manager cant resolve conflicts you may run in to issues with it.08:23
gnomefreaknanonyme: i didnt say for everyone08:23
gnomefreaki spent 4+ hours with another user helping someone with a borked upgrade this morning.08:23
nanonymeaptitude dist-upgrade <308:23
d1006not to argue but uh saying it's 'broken' seems to suggest it wont work for anyone ^_^08:23
gnomefreakwhen it takes 4 hours to fix its broken08:23
nanonymeit even gives alternatives on how to fix the problem :)08:24
gnomefreakaptitude didnt work08:24
gnomefreaknanonyme: not always safe08:24
nanonymeyeah, i suppose not08:24
gnomefreakd1006: i gave a % if you re read it08:24
nanonymehad to intentionally break my system a bit to get it back together08:24
gnomefreakd1006: and next time i will say yes upgrade works fine for 3 users are you the 4th?08:24
d1006you mentioned the % later actually, rather than 'it's broken for 70%'08:25
gnomefreakd1006: easier to tell people its broken for most as i cant predict who it will break for08:25
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nikolamHello Beta Xubuntu wont upgrade properly.08:26
gnomefreaksaying it is broke is best08:26
nikolamtried even comman line update and upgrade08:26
gnomefreakthey can try all they want after words its advice and nothiing more08:26
nikolamI did clean install of beta08:26
d1006'upgrading seems broken for most/etc' is quite different from 'upgrade is broken' imo ^_^08:26
gnomefreakd1006: adept --version-upgrade is BROKEN FOR EVERYONE08:27
d1006nikolam: what's the error?08:27
gnomefreakupdate-manager if over 50% broken its broken08:27
nikolamjust a sec.08:27
Daisuke-Laptopbleh, tons of openoffice help in tons of languages i don't use :\08:27
gnomefreakd1006: he cleaned installed to fix it08:27
Daisuke-Laptopbeen updating for hours now08:27
nikolamA unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade.08:27
nikolamPlease report this bug against the 'update-manager' package and include the following error message:08:27
nikolam'E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks, this may be caused by held packages.'08:27
d1006well you didn't say 'adept --version blah' you said 'upgrade is broken' so lets leave it there ^_^08:28
gnomefreaknikolam: its known about already08:28
gnomefreakd1006: please re read i gave examples from both08:28
nikolamSo ok. I just wait till tommorow?.08:28
gnomefreaknikolam: the maintianer for update-manager is of fhte weekends expect it fixed in a week or so08:28
d1006nikolam: the problem only appeared for a short time for me and then left08:29
nikolamI suppose this wont harm testing process. I am using beta on testin partition, anyway.08:29
d1006nikolam: though i don't remember what i did08:29
d1006nikolam: perhaps a partial upgrade or something of the sort08:29
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gnomefreakd1006: dist-upgrade by hand its the OO.o packages that are held back with upgrade08:30
nikolamNo upgade helped. I ll just wait and update daily. or I might re-install tribe5 and update?08:30
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gnomefreakit will remove some locales and install the OO.o upgrades08:30
defconany way to report a bug on launchpad that only effects Gutsy08:30
defconor make sure a bug gets to the gutsy bug list08:30
gnomefreakthat was this mornings problem mvo has to fx it in update-manager it did this in feisty and edgy and dapper as well08:31
nikolamAt my present level of experience, I can yous wait for fix and report some bug in UI thats all..08:31
gnomefreaknikolam: drop to a terminal and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade08:31
gnomefreaknikolam: should fix it08:31
nikolamI already tried it.08:31
gnomefreaknikolam: and the error was?08:31
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nikolama sec.08:32
gnomefreaknikolam: i need pakcages here since ther eis a udev issue as well but OO.o was most popular today08:32
DanaGWow, the Ubuntu US mirror is slow.08:32
DanaGGlad I use mirrors.kernel.org also.08:32
gnomefreakd1006: also not up to date08:32
gnomefreakoops08:32
d1006defcon: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy08:32
gnomefreakDanaG: not up to date either08:32
nikolam xserver-xorg-input-all: Depends: xserver-xorg-input-   ** everything *** but it is not going to be installed08:32
DanaGI use both, though:08:32
unggnuDoes anyone have still a menu entry to HP-Toolbox under Preferences?08:33
DanaGMy sources.list has kernel.org above the official, so if it IS up to date on a package, it'll use that source.08:33
gnomefreaknikolam: sudo apt-get -f install? what did that give you (dont list package with that command)08:33
defcond1006, how do I add an existing bug to /ubuntu/gutsy08:33
gnomefreak!bugs08:33
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots08:33
nikolamE: Invalid operation instal08:34
gnomefreakdefcon: goit o first link and file a bug08:34
gnomefreaknikolam: install08:34
gnomefreaknikolam: you typoed it08:34
d1006defcon: be sure to check for duplicates first ^_^08:34
pvandewyngaerdehow do i get this splash in KDE  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe5/Kubuntu?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ksplash.png  ? i still have the edgy one08:34
nikolamgnomefreak: should I copy/paste to you on private?08:34
gnomefreaknikolam: use pastebin08:34
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ubotunikolam: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)08:35
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gnomefreaknikolam: i said use patebin08:35
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nikolamhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39043/08:36
d1006hehe :P08:36
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d1006nikolam: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/volumeid.postinst08:37
d1006add @ line 56 ;;08:37
d1006after line 55's 'continue'08:38
d1006then retry08:38
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gnomefreakits old packages08:40
gnomefreakrun sudo apt-get update after saving the changes in the file08:40
gnomefreakwe are on ubuntu14 for udev and volumeid they were fixed today and broken this morning08:40
nikolamI have contiue in line 5508:40
isthatallpenguin42: @later tell NICK blah blah08:41
d1006nikolam: make a new line after continue and make it ;;08:41
d1006so the format is the same as the surrounding code...08:41
penguin42isthatall: Huh? Oh - I mean on the screen lock now there is a button that says 'leave a message'08:41
nikolamaahhh. :) ok added.08:42
gnomefreakpenguin42: screensaver lock?08:42
d1006you should be 'fixed' then to update/upgrade08:42
penguin42gnomefreak: but what displays the messages later?08:42
nikolami will try momentarily. :)08:42
gnomefreakpenguin42: i dont know is that what you are talking about though?08:43
gnomefreakpenguin42: if it is i can find out i hope :)08:43
penguin42gnomefreak: You using GNOME?  do a lockscreen and look at the left most button08:43
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rukuarticHum... I really have nowhere to put this but here... When I'm ssh-ing into my ubuntu-server box (7.10 beta) there's a good delay that shouldn't quite be there... removed ipv6 module (which seemed to be causing a little bit of trouble with name resolution etc--but not the problem, the lag existed with ipv6 as well)08:44
gnomefreakpenguin42: its just a little bubble added to the code08:44
gnomefreakit shows up in lower right hand screen08:44
penguin42rukartic: Can you reverse resolve the IP of the thing you are sshing from?08:44
AV1611greeting! is it a place where I can paste a bug report (besides its usual place)?08:44
gnomefreakpenguin42: same thing they use for updates bubble restart bubble08:45
penguin42gnomefreak: Hmm OK, I guess it's gnome-screensaver then08:46
nikolamupdate and upgrade was fine. dist-upgrade dont work , still.08:46
gnomefreakAV1611: bug reports get filied on bugs/launchpad/net08:46
gnomefreaknikolam: same package failing on?08:46
rukuarticpenguin42: Hold on08:46
penguin42gnomefreak: I noticed if you put some text in there it doesn't get passed through08:47
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gnomefreakbugs.launchpad.net even08:47
gnomefreakpenguin42: did for me08:47
rukuarticpenguin42: You think its trying to resolve it?08:47
penguin42rukuartic: Yes08:47
rukuarticpenguin42: Yea I can (dig 192.168.1.103 ran quickly)08:47
nikolamhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39046/08:47
gnomefreaknikolam: sudo apt-get -f install08:48
gnomefreakwhat doe sit tell you08:48
penguin42rukuartic: Try dig -x 192.168.1.10308:48
gnomefreakdoes it08:48
rukuarticquery time 6 ms08:48
rukuarticcompletes08:48
gnomefreaknikolam: you are still in update-manager or only terminal?08:49
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nikolamhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39047/08:49
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penguin42gnomefreak: OK, it looks like it got fixed in the updates I pulled in today08:49
nikolamterminal update manager closed. Should i?08:49
gnomefreaknikolam: close update-manager if it is open08:49
gnomefreakleave terminal open08:49
nikolamclosed08:49
rukuarticpenguin42: What else do you think could be causing the issue? I'm on the same network as it..08:49
gnomefreakok you have terminal ready?08:50
nikolamyup08:50
gnomefreaknikolam: sudo aptitude upgrade08:50
gnomefreaknikolam: paste me any failures with the command to pastebin08:50
nikolamok08:50
gnomefreakill be right back08:50
albert23rukuartic: from what system do you run ssh? Is it Feisty?08:50
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penguin42rukuartic: It might be worth running a tcpdump on the server to see if you can see what happens during an ssh - other than a reverse resolve the only other thing I can think is if it's trying to connect to the identd port08:51
nikolamI see no errors http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39048/08:51
rukuarticalbert23: Yeah, 7.0408:52
rukuarticpenguin42: Oh. I am running inetd, but I'm not running ssh as an inetd service.08:53
albert23rukuartic: I had that problem from Feisty when avahi was running08:53
penguin42rukuartic: i*d*entd not inetd08:53
gnomefreaknikolam: ok try sudo aptitude safe-upgrade08:53
penguin42ah - if it's avahi related I'll just hold my flippers up and run away...08:54
gnomefreakdidnt know he added safe upgrade yet08:54
albert23penguin42: I just turned avahi off :-)08:54
rukuarticalbert23: Aha!08:55
rukuarticHold on...08:55
penguin42gnomefreak: Yeh, aptitude tells you that upgrade is deprecated and you should use safe-upgrade08:55
nikolamdone http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39049/08:55
gnomefreaknikolam: if that gives you same output please run sudo dpkg --configure -a see if that errors08:55
rukuarticalbert23: Holy crap thats it08:55
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gnomefreaknikolam: did you see anything set up the xserver packages?08:55
sidI just installed gutsy beta alt command line, and there is no eth0 for some reason.08:55
rukuarticalbert23: whats the deal with avahi?08:56
sidsudo ifconfig shows no eth0, I can't do apt-get or anything.08:56
nikolamnothing. :)08:56
rukuarticsid: Yeah, I had eth1 as my default too08:56
rukuarticsid: try ifconfig -a08:56
gnomefreaksid: yah theres bugs on that08:56
gnomefreakasac is working on them but hes gone for the weekend08:56
albert23rukuartic: It tries to do dns using some special local service08:56
rukuarticgnomefreak: any idea how to change or alias eth1 to eth0?08:56
sidlspci shows the ethernet controller08:56
rukuarticalbert23: Is it evil/worth removing?08:56
albert23rukuartic: you can see it with wireshark08:56
gnomefreakrukuartic: nope not off hand08:56
sidstrange08:57
nikolamgnomefreak: sudo dpkg --configure -a reports nothing :)08:57
albert23I just stopped it and disabled it from starting08:57
rukuarticMan08:57
sidit made it eth108:57
sidwonder why it did that08:57
rukuarticsid: bugs08:57
gnomefreaknikolam: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade08:57
gnomefreaknikolam: those packages didnt go anywhere i would like to kno where they are this command fails on them theres a few things we can try. if it doesnt tell you about them than you are good08:58
sidIf I want to make this CLI system like a default gui ubuntu system, I only have to apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?08:58
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bur[n] e1sid: correct08:58
sidk08:58
gnomefreaksid: yeah there are somethings that get installed with system that you wont get08:58
nikolamhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39050/08:59
gnomefreakthey maybe part of ubuntu-minimal or ubuntu-standard08:59
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gnomefreakha08:59
bur[n] e1ubuntu-minimal is part of a CLI 'server' system right?08:59
gnomefreaknikolam: gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list08:59
gnomefreakbur[n] e1: yes that it is -standard that may not be08:59
gnomefreaknikolam: let me know when its open09:00
nikolamopen09:00
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gnomefreaknikolam: add a # to the first line09:00
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gnomefreaknikolam: its starts with deb cdrom09:00
gnomefreakor something alike09:00
nikolamfirs line have #09:00
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gnomefreaknikolam: second line? what doe sit say09:00
nikolamhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39051/09:01
rukuarticnikolam: look for deb-cdrom09:01
gnomefreaknikolam: ok than why is it looking for it09:01
gnomefreaknikolam: comment out the other one as well09:01
gnomefreaksee you have 2 deb cdrom lines both need the # infront09:02
nikolam# added to line 409:02
gnomefreakthe extra one on top means nothing09:02
gnomefreakyes09:02
gnomefreaknikolam: now save and close09:02
nikolamok.09:02
gnomefreaknikolam: now at term. sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade09:03
gnomefreaknikolam: that should fix you09:03
gnomefreakit couldnt fix the pakages because they are not on the cd they are either on the dvd or the net (well both)09:04
gnomefreakfix == find09:04
nikolamhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39052/09:04
gnomefreaknikolam: open up sources.list and pastebin what you have in there please09:05
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gnomefreaknikolam: same as you did before with gksudo09:05
nikolamok. its xubuntu/mousepad.09:05
nikolamhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39053/09:06
nikolamMaybe i shoud use other mirror?09:06
gnomefreaknikolam: ok take all the cz out and in thier place use gb09:06
gnomefreaknikolam: im thinking that is the issue testing with gb will tell me09:07
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nikolamshould I choose gb in Gui settings?09:07
gnomefreaknikolam: i would do it right from text editor to be honest09:07
d1006works the same nikolam09:07
d1006in theory :P09:07
gnomefreakas long as its not synaptic as it corrupts /etc/apt/sources.list.d most of time09:08
nikolamyou think: United kingdom?09:08
gnomefreaknikolam: i know gb works i am not on uk09:08
gnomefreakgb gets hit first anyway09:09
d1006it does?09:09
gnomefreakthan gives it to uk than everyone eolse grabs from there to update thier repos09:09
gnomefreakservers even09:09
bretzelHi there - I had troubles with gusty and brand new computer ( parts not the latest but compared to my old P4 2.4 S478... ) and I managed to find what was wrong ( hey I lost some updates with todays hardware!! ) 8-)09:09
gnomefreakd1006: yes09:09
nikolamwhat counrty/region is "gb" (me-stupit)09:09
d1006nice09:09
d1006england09:09
gnomefreakgb great britian09:09
nikolamok, uk, archive.ubuntu.com then_09:10
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penguin42that'll be the one in italy then :-)09:10
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d1006gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/09:11
d1006not uk.a.u.c09:11
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bretzel.ca is :-)09:11
d1006uk seems up to date, recent udev fixes are in at least09:11
nikolamok, ill make it in sources.list to gb.archive.ubuntu.com09:11
gnomefreakhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/506/09:12
gnomefreaknikolam: look at mine09:12
gnomefreaknikolam: no hold backs to updated or failed packages i dont know about any other mirror but this one09:12
nikolamok. shoul i copy/paste yours or change mine?09:12
gnomefreaknikolam: no just change cz to gb09:12
basculehi, I went to gutsy from feisty last night and have taken about 15% drop in gfx performance, intel 945, anyone else seeing this?09:12
gnomefreakits easier that wasy09:13
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gnomefreakbascule: most people do its because of the new drivers package09:13
penguin42bascule: Have you started using compiz?09:13
Plinskinhi09:13
basculepenguin42: well I was but that is another one for later :)09:13
d1006bascule: i went from gutsy 32bit to 64bit and took 50% :| 32bit feisty to 32bit feisty on same ati fglrx was the same tho09:13
Plinskinanybody knows why when i boot my gutsy livecd it freezes at the menu?09:14
gnomefreakthey bundled all intel drivers into one package to replace xserver-xorg-intel-i810 ect...09:14
d1006Plinskin: do you have a usb keyboard?09:14
basculegnomefreak: I see guess the new drivers are not quite as good09:14
penguin42bascule: Have you changed to the 'intel' driver from 'i810' ?09:14
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Plinskind1006: no, i have a laptop09:14
gnomefreakbascule: they are buggy still but should be worked out by release. still wont beable to use i965 with compiz though09:14
d1006Plinskin: at the menu does hittin F[x]  work for you?09:14
basculepenguin42: no, never knew there was one09:14
d1006F[some numer1-6 iirc] 09:15
penguin42bascule: grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf - do you see intel or i810 ?09:15
Plinskind1006: yes, and i can go up and down thorug options09:15
basculegnomefreak: using 945m here and it is proably as good as gf4 mx|| 520009:15
nikolamOK, I selected uk in gui and then added gb in front of archive.ubuntu.com in sources.list http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39055/09:15
bretzel( graphics perfomances ) ==> I do have a Gf8 8600GTS and see no diffs with my old 7600GS... something is wrong with the drivers/settings/XOrg...certainly!09:15
Plinskinbut when i choose one an press enter it freezes09:15
d1006Plinskin:  So what's frozen?gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/09:15
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gnomefreaknikolam: run sudo apt-get update than sudo apt-get dist-upgrade after you save it09:15
gnomefreaknikolam: wait09:15
basculepenguin42: still i81009:16
gnomefreaknikolam: you dont put CC in security repos09:16
d1006er ignore the paste at the end of my line ^_^09:16
gnomefreaknikolam: take gb. out of the last section of repos09:16
penguin42bascule: Hmm OK; I changed to the intel one - although as mentioned; it's a bit flaky09:16
gnomefreaknikolam: wait a minute wtf09:16
Plinskinits when i choose one option of the menu when it freezes09:17
d1006nothing happens at all, it freezes at the menu?09:17
Plinskinyes09:17
Plinskinno black screens, just freezes09:17
gnomefreaknikolam: your security repos are messed up now09:17
basculepenguin42: it works ok, just gettin 950 on (the unscientific) glxgears was up at 1150 before09:17
d1006Plinskin:  did you try various noacpi type options?09:18
Plinskinand keyboard doesnt respond, i have to turn off my computer09:18
nikolamOk, I fixed sec. repos . http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39057/09:18
Plinskinno, i didnt09:18
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gnomefreaknikolam: make the last section loo like http://paste.ubuntu.com/507/09:18
bretzelcorrupted cd maybe ...09:18
nikolamre-run update (in progress)09:18
gnomefreaknikolam: no09:18
stonebearAnyone know how to get more than 2 workspaces?09:18
Plinskinim a lttle rocky ^^09:18
gnomefreaknikolam: still not right09:18
d1006try editing the boot options, noapic, nolapic, noacpi are the usual ones to try iirc09:18
gnomefreaknikolam: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu gutsy-security main restricted  is how it should read09:18
d1006Plinskin: did you ever have similar problems with a linux install on that laptop?09:19
Plinskinyes09:19
bretzelcd drive09:19
Plinskini had the busybox one with my feisty09:19
penguin42bascule: To be honest I haven't done any performance tests09:19
gnomefreaknikolam: show me new list when done, im gonna go for a smoke09:19
d1006stonebear: do you have compiz running by chance?09:19
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cps1966!fsck09:20
ubotufsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot09:20
d1006Plinskin: I suggest looking up your laptop and looking for kernel boot options that might go with it, if you're sure the media (cd/dvd) you're using is defect free09:20
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nikolamOk, done :) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39058/09:21
Plinskinok, thanks09:21
gnomefreaknikolam: remove is how it should read from that line09:23
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gnomefreaknikolam: remove the part that says "is how it should read"09:23
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nikolamsorry i`m idiot :) http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39059/09:24
gnomefreaknikolam: after you remove that part you should be good09:24
gnomefreaknikolam: ok sudo apt-get update09:24
gnomefreakmake sure no errors09:24
nikolamredo update then dist-upgrade?09:25
gnomefreakyes09:25
gnomefreaknikolam: it should try to update all packages now09:25
nikolamdoing09:25
gnomefreaknikolam: after gutsy is released you can enable the partner repos and it should give you more packages but right now they are not up and running09:26
nikolam14mins ETA minimum09:26
gnomefreaknikolam: for update or dist-upgrade?09:26
nikolamdist09:26
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gnomefreaknikolam: is it upgrading all the cserver and perl packages?09:26
gnomefreakxserver09:27
penguin42partner repos?09:27
nikolamhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39060/09:27
gnomefreakpenguin42: they are in sources.list if clean install09:27
gnomefreakpenguin42: they were the commericial repos09:28
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gnomefreakpenguin42: # deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu gutsy partner09:28
romhi09:28
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bur[n] e1anyone familiar with this?  I'm seeing it as well.  http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg466821.html09:28
gnomefreaknikolam: ok that should do it than. when done with that just make sure you run sudo dpkg --configure -a09:28
romone kubuntu gutsy, I can modify the sound volume with my keyboard, but I can only choose 89% or 100%09:29
penguin42gnomefreak: Ah I haven't got that09:29
gnomefreaknikolam: that will make sure everything is good09:29
rom-one +on09:29
gnomefreakpenguin42: upgrade?09:29
nikolamgnomefreak: Okidoki. Ok.09:29
gnomefreakpenguin42: or tribe4-5?09:29
romI can't select under 89%09:29
penguin42gnomefreak: Upgrade09:29
gnomefreakpenguin42: thats why09:29
gnomefreakpenguin42: they dont work anyway for now09:29
gnomefreakpenguin42: add them after release or add now and just leave the # for both of them09:30
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afiefWhen pressing print screen on my keyboard nothing happens, is there a way to get a screen capture anyway?09:31
penguin42gnomefreak: Thanks09:31
gnomefreakafief: its because compiz is running09:31
gnomefreakafief: you have to enable it in conpiz09:31
gnomefreakor gconf-editor should have it as well09:32
cps1966thats dumb09:32
gnomefreakagreed09:32
bur[n] e1lol09:32
gnomefreakbut compiz takes over you keyboards config09:32
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gnomefreakbecause it uses it for other things09:32
cps1966i'm about to give up on ubuntu09:33
gnomefreakcps1966: eh its nto that hard09:33
gnomefreaknot09:33
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afiefI guess the printscreen should be enabled by default... it's one hell of a lifesaver sometimes09:33
cps1966well if you had my machine everyting is hard09:33
nikolamcps1966: Dont give it up ;) You know the song :)09:33
cps1966fsck dies at boot09:34
gnomefreakafief: if you turn conpiz off it works (this is something i will ask about since i keep forgetting i makinga note09:34
d1006afief: tbh I never use printscreen09:34
gnomefreakcps1966: oh that is always fun :( i believe i saw a bug report on that as well09:34
afiefd1006, well, I use it to show people my node setup in blender, tell friends what "unfindable" button to press....etc09:34
gnomefreakapplications>accesories>screen shot09:34
cps1966getting daily now see if it was fixed09:35
gnomefreakcps1966: what date were you using?09:35
d1006afief: yeah i'm sure it's pretty useful for some peeps :)09:35
cps1966beta109:35
bur[n] e1cps1966: works here on gutsy of today09:35
gnomefreakcps1966: that should been fine09:35
gnomefreakcps1966: but i have seen people have issues09:35
gnomefreakjust cant remember if in here or bug report09:36
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cps1966yeah but its not took over an hour to get OO crap that i dont use  and i wish it would let you pick your own stuff you want installed09:36
cps1966gnomefreak:  when you have 1.9 TB its important09:37
Plinskind1006: hi, im back09:39
Plinskinit didnt work09:40
d1006Plinskin: didn't find any useful info?09:40
d1006tell me your laptop info...09:42
stonebeard1006: sorry bout that, i think so09:44
d1006stonebear: mm? sorry i forget what you said/i said ^_^09:44
stonebearAnyone know how to get more than 2 workspaces?09:44
d1006ah09:45
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bur[n] e1now if only flash player would work with compiz so we could watch the office in wobbly, transparent glory, life would be wonderful!09:45
d1006well if you have compiz you need to install compizconfig- blah settings manager09:45
d1006to enable more desktops09:45
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stonebearthanks09:46
d1006bur[n] e1: I hope you mean the real The Office with Ricky Gervais ^_^09:46
Plinskind1006: no, i didnt09:46
d1006stonebear: compizconfig-settings-manager09:46
bur[n] e1d1006: i appreciate them both...09:46
nikolamFor screenshots: sudo apt-get install scrot  http://linuxbrit.co.uk/scrot/09:47
stonebearsweet, thanks d09:47
d1006Plinskin: you'll need to share your laptop details (make/model etc) with us then09:47
d1006bur[n] e1: :P09:47
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penguin42nikolam: If you want command line you can always do   convert X: blah.jpg09:48
nikolamniice :)09:48
Plinskinsiemens-fujitsu, cpu:intel core2duo santa rosa, grafics: intel GMA x300, hd: sata 160gb with a volume of 40gb for windowsxp, wifi intel 4965AGN, RAM 2gb09:49
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nikolamgnomefreak: Done update/dist-upgrade http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39063/ Reboot?09:50
d1006Plinskin: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474693&highlight=BusyBox+v1.1.109:51
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d1006santa rosa machines do have probs with ubuntu atm afaik tho09:51
Plinskinthats y i wanted to get the 7.10 version09:52
nikolamPlinskin: 7.10 is developer version still. For stability use 7.0409:53
d1006nikolam: to be fair, santa rosa systems are presumably even less supported in feisty09:53
cps1966kernels to old09:53
nikolamDidn`t know that.09:54
Plinskinits not stable 4 me. i have changed so many configs that it has many bugs 4 my system09:54
d1006Plinskin: does it change anything when try the 'live boot=break' boot option?09:55
cps1966i had to move to 2.6.23 series kernel09:55
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Plinskinno09:55
d1006Plinskin: if cps1966 is running a santa rosa system maybe he can help you more than i ^_^09:56
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cps1966na i'm not but have lots of hardware09:56
d1006apart from trying the various boot options i have no suggestions what so ever and can only ominously say that i've heard santa rosa and bad linux experiences a lot recently09:57
Plinskini have 2.6.22 kernel and my computer freezes sometimes when im downloading things, i cant run beryl properly, startup aplications doesnt always work...09:58
d1006"Turns out all those with Santa Rosa processors couldn't even start the system."09:58
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Plinskinthats y i wanted gutsy09:59
d1006"According to people commenting on the relevant bug in Launchpad, the alternate CD works fine."09:59
d1006did u try the alternate CD?09:59
d1006Plinskin: I highly suggest reading http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=536414&highlight=santa+rosa09:59
d1006it seems possible to get it working10:00
d1006but gutsy doesn't seem like a 'work out of the box' solution for your santa rosa problems10:00
d1006if that's what you're after ^_^10:00
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nikolam:So it works fine with kernel re-compile?10:02
d1006looks like it might simply need special boot option or a bios tweak to me10:02
nikolamso santa rosa should use alternate cd and enable legacy emulated HD settings in bios.10:04
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yeagerwhy does rsvg-convert consume 100% cpu during the first minutes after a reboot?10:07
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cps1966why do all ubuntu mirrors choke your download so much10:13
cps1966450kbs to 5 kbs10:14
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cps1966looks like a problem on the fat end10:16
frostburna lot of updates last night10:17
penguin42WEIRD!10:19
penguin42If I tap this 3 button mouse on the desk it generates button 4 and 5 events!10:19
nikolamPlease click button 5 on mouse to continue.. :))10:20
cps1966hit it with hammer it might do 6 and 710:20
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hyljehit mouse9 to continue10:20
penguin42I'd just started using it and wondered why the window was sometimes scrolling10:20
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nikolamIts hidden ability to mouse and mouse is m$oft-controlled. Bill Gates possessed it :))10:21
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cps1966anyone for vista to xp upgrade10:22
nikolamHack-a-mouse: Add 2 more buttons to your mouse, and feel better :))10:23
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nikolamI am more for xp to ubuntu upgrade :)10:23
penguin42weird - it looks like a 3 button mouse internally10:23
nikolamI once had bugs in my computer and bios died. Actally I had ants in apartment those days :)10:24
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BHSPitLappythat must have been back when bios chips were made from sugar10:25
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Ben_Csif i use feisty, and CLI: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  , then i'll be upgraded to gutsy right?10:25
BHSPitLappyBen_Cs, no, because your sources are feisty sources10:26
Ben_Csso what will the above command accomplish?10:26
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bur[n] eraww... pidgin doesn't let you run ! commands!!10:26
bur[n] erubotu: tell Ben_Cs about Upgrade10:27
BHSPitLappyif you change your sources and do that, then you'll be good... though I encourage searching for a published way of doing this rather than taking my word10:27
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BHSPitLappyhuh10:27
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bur[n] er_!upgrade | Ben_Cs10:27
ubotuBen_Cs: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes10:27
BHSPitLappyI10:27
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BHSPitLappyI've only heard of usb -> ps/210:27
Ben_Csok. but what does: dist-upgrade do then?10:28
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Gnontghol"Getting upgrade pre-requists failed"10:30
cps1966just edit /etc/apt/sources.list put gutsy in place of feisty10:32
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Gnontgholcps1966: thanks10:33
cps1966then do sudo apt-get update10:33
DanaG!aptitude10:34
ubotuaptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide10:34
DanaGrun it with no parameters, for a nifty GUI.10:34
XeroDanaG, I like my Aptitude with marshmallows, not GUI.10:37
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Xero!test10:39
ubotuFailed.10:39
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cps1966flunky10:39
XeroDoes that actually have a different outcome, or is it simply a command that tells ubotu to reply "Failed"?10:39
cps1966!itime10:40
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about itime - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi10:40
cps1966that why he flunked10:41
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jussi01ok, I think it hates me... :(10:42
jussi01My pc now has decided to have a screen bigger than mine actually is...10:42
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sebastiandoes anybody know how to add arbitrary characters to the keyboard when alt+another key is pressed?10:43
sebastiani saw there is an option for  in the keyboard preferences dialogue, but no such thing for say british pound key10:44
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jussi01Is there a way to reinstall a package and all its dependencies?10:48
Turmsjussi01: apt-get install --reinstall package, obviously just for the main pkg10:49
jussi01Turms: no, that only reinstalls the main package10:50
Turmsjussi01: yes10:50
jussi01I want all the deps reinstalled also10:50
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Turmsjussi01: apt-get install --reinstall list of pkgs10:51
sirrusGood evening. Does anyone know whether rt2500 is working in latest snapshot of Gutsy with WPA?10:51
jussi01Turms: yes ok. but its a big list and I dont really want to type it out....10:51
sirrusIt didn't when I did a clean install from gutsy beta iso10:51
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sirrusAnyone has any experience with rt2500 + WPA in latest snapshot of gutsy?10:54
jussi01!repeat | sirrus10:54
ubotusirrus: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience10:54
Turmsjussi01: well another way would be remove --purge the main pkg and than perform an upgrade-system which would remove all the unneeded pkgs among them there should be the pkgs on which the main pkg depended provided that some of them are not needed by some other pkg10:55
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JamesinatorOn boot, GDM loads in 640x800 and when I try to log in, the screen goes to the default background and hangs10:59
JamesinatorI'm on the latest devel release of Gutsy10:59
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JamesinatorThis rather limits the use of Ubuntu as a "desktop" operating system, hence why I'm typing this on the recovery terminal in IRSSI11:01
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jussi01Jamesinator: try running sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg11:02
jussi01!find 2.6.22-12-rt11:03
ubotuFound: linux-headers-2.6.22-12-rt, linux-backports-modules-2.6.22-12-rt, linux-image-2.6.22-12-rt, linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-12-rt, linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-12-rt11:03
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Centaur5Does anybody know if pxe installs are broken in Gutsy?11:05
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ray_any one know hoe to get mplayer tp play the new real player for mate like real 10 or real 11 dose11:15
ray_only dose up[ to 9 i need the newer formate thanks11:15
ray_rooms dead11:16
ray_penguin42 still here11:16
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penguin42do you have an example  of a real 10 or real 11 stream?11:16
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ray_penguin42 i use mplayer and need the new file formate that real used mplayer only dose up to 9 any plug in for mplayer to get real 11 or 10 files to work11:17
ray_rea11:17
ray_yes11:17
penguin42if you can point me at one I can try it here11:17
ray_ok11:17
ray_penguin42 will do hold on please11:18
ray_http://service.real.com/test/11:18
penguin42ok11:18
jussi01OK, my resolution is bigger than the screen. Anyone know how to fix it?11:18
ray_penguin42 im a disbility person but when comes to pc im a wiz11:18
ray_hope understand all11:18
ray_penguin42   what i do to play the new 9 8 and 10 and 11 formte11:19
ray_?11:19
penguin42nod11:19
ray_formate11:20
ray_penguin42 what mean?11:20
penguin42you are right - I can't play the type 10 streams11:21
ray_penguisin42  what i do any plug in can he;lp with th11:21
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ray_this11:21
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ray_?11:22
asobiso fyi, and I know this isn't the right place to report it, but the gutsy installer fails silently when a windows partition is given a mount point11:23
asobiinstall just finished but only because I gave my windows partition a blank mount point11:23
ray_how i remove a file that has root user privlige11:24
asobithis thread has the problem and solution listed - http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=560055&highlight=gutsy+install+freezes11:24
ray_penguin42 what i do to play the 10 files?11:25
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penguin42ray: I'm sorry, but I don't know anything which will do it11:25
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ray_penguin42 is there any codedx11:25
ray_penguin42 hoe i remove a file that has root privige11:25
ray_to it says user is root11:25
penguin42use sudo to become root11:26
ray_penguin42 yes but wehat command11:26
ray_sudo not ssure wat command11:26
slackern_ray_, sudo rm filename11:27
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penguin42ray_: Try the commands here for realplayer   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RealplayerInstallationMethods?action=show&redirect=RealPlayerInstallationMethods11:28
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ray_will not remove in a folder the root file11:29
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osmosisWhy is there no ubuntu-xen-server  package on amd64 ?11:30
mwright1Hi, just wandering if I can update to Gutsy release if I install the beta with no hassles11:30
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osmosismwright1: nah...still has bug11:30
mwright1is it the same repo as the final release around Oct 18?11:30
ray_slack i tryed you command get this err rm: cannot remove `doc-pak': Is a directory11:30
ray_what i do11:30
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secion8anyone have luck running the desktop effects with an ati radeon 200m?11:30
mwright1Also is there a xen kernel?11:31
mwright1osmosis: what is the bug?11:31
osmosismwright1: bugs...lots of them.11:31
TensoMaybe11:31
osmosismwright1: are you doing xen ?11:31
ray_what i do with my err11:31
mwright1This is just to get a LTSP going under Xen on top of a Centos5 dom011:31
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osmosismwright1: ive been playing with xen on gutsy for weeks, but it has issues, and it doesnt seem like there is anyone around to fix them.11:31
mwright1need to get it working then switch my users from FC7 to gutsy when the relase comes out11:32
osmosismwright1: why are you using a Centos dom0 ?11:32
mwright1cause it has 5 years support, and because we are a Centos / FC shop11:32
mwright1but we use LTSP for 50 users, so we want to try the desktops on ubuntu11:32
secion8I also tried using xgl but it was extremely slow11:33
mwright1we have lots of RAM on a HP DL385 quad core11:33
osmosismwright1: how is the xen support on centos ?11:33
TensoBusola is a retarded halo loving biiiaaatch11:33
mwright1so we can switch some users over for testing -- Redhat has no sound under LTSP while LTSP is native to ubntu and has sound11:33
mwright1osmosis: Xen support on centos is fine11:33
osmosismwright1: how about on fedora core 7 ?11:33
penguin42mwright1: There appears to be a linux-image-2.6.22-12-xen package11:33
osmosismwright1: what version of kernel? what version of xen ?11:33
mwright1fedora 7 - ok we tried to do something fancy - ended up running the centos kernel in FC711:34
osmosispenguin42: my issue is that it fails on AMD64. Works pretty good on 386 actually.11:34
osmosispenguin42: check this out..  http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ubuntu-xen&searchon=names&subword=1&version=gutsy&release=all11:34
penguin42ah I hadn't actually tried it11:34
mwright1 2.6.18-8.1.14.el511:35
osmosispenguin42: no server package for amd64.11:35
mwright12.6.18-8.1.10.el5xen11:35
osmosispenguin42: and even without the meta package, if I try installing the linux-xen  i get an unbootable kernel.11:35
mwright1is running on the FC7 box11:35
mwright1in any case want to get Xen going with ubuntu11:35
osmosismwright1: do you want a ubuntu dom0 or a ubuntu guest ?11:35
mwright1osmosis: ignoring xen -- is the beta version in the same repos as the release?11:35
mwright1ubuntu guest11:35
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osmosismwright1: you want debootstrap then11:35
penguin42mwright1: It's a beta because things are expected to be fixed11:36
osmosismwright1: or xen-tools11:36
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osmosispenguin42: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin//search_packages.pl?version=gutsy&subword=1&exact=&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&keywords=linux-xen&searchon=names11:36
mwright1sorry -- trying to understand - I'm happy with it being beta - -want to know if it's the same repos.11:36
penguin42mwright1: Ah, all the repository addresses etc are the same11:36
mwright1ie if I setup the entire environment - come Oct 20 i can do a apt-get update11:36
osmosismwright1: uhh...yah,  gutsy repository is all there is.11:36
mwright1ok so I can start on it now - it will just be a bit buggy but apart from that it is identical to the relaese11:37
mwright1great -- I appreciate that11:37
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penguin42mwright1: It will probably be fairly close unless they have found something particularly broken needing fixing11:38
secion8How do I speed up xgl with the fglrx driver, I am running ati radeon 200m in ubuntu gutsy beta11:41
secion8The refresh rate is extremely slow? Please help me11:41
ray_ok i inbstalled real player how i open it11:42
ray_not showing in sound and video at all11:42
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ray_how i open it any one see my q11:42
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soundray!intelhda | taggie11:43
ubotutaggie: For fixing your Intel HDA sound this page has useful information https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto11:43
taggiethx soundray, in earlier alphas, i had installed alsa by hand, and it worked great11:44
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taggiemy main concern is that this is a pretty common chipset, in a really popular laptop (thinkpad t60) and it seems strange it would require any special handling out of the box11:44
secion8Anyone? Please?11:45
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ray_ any one know how to add the real player icon back in sounbd and vido i cant figer it our11:45
taggiei figured i'd do a full wipe-reinstall to help out the beta cause. and this is really the only issue i have. absolutely everything else is working.11:45
darkangel_should i install gusty beta (ubuntu)11:46
kaminix|awayWhat does a freeze mean? I understand that something's stopped, but what is? What changes can still be made after a freeze?11:46
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darkangel_im new to ubuntu and all should i update to the  7.10 beta or wait for the real update11:48
penguin42wait11:48
rico_has anyone encountered any problems with totem? it once worked (w/ gstreamer backend), but I tried replacing it iwth the xine backend and it wont play any videos anymore. same with trying to bring it back to gstreamer11:48
darkangel_penguin42: was the wait for me ?11:49
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rico_darkangel_, probably best to wait, it's only a few days from now :)11:49
darkangel_rico_: true11:49
penguin42darkangel_: Yes, I'd wait11:49
darkangel_penguin42: ok plus my pc wont install the beta anyway11:49
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penguin42darkangel_: If you have a spare machine or a VM to try it in11:50
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darkangel_penguin42:  nope just my pos laptop11:51
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penguin42darkangel_: Ah then I'd wait; but you might like to try the CD without installing it, and if it doesn't work please bug report it with the model of the laptop11:52
sidI'm using a dell inspiron 1100 laptop, with Intel 845G graphics.11:53
darkangel_penguin42: cd where? its a 9yr old 333mhz compaq lol im getting a kick ass laptop for christmus11:53
sidI am running the latest gutsy, and when I boot, everything is in a small box. It doesn't uset he whole screen11:53
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sidX seems to be forced to use 800x600, but it doesn't use the full screen11:53
rico_darkangel_, you can try downloading the gutsy beta .iso and burn it to a CD. then you can boot to it and try it live (w/o installing it to your HD)11:54
penguin42darkangel_: Haha OK - borrow a USB CD drive :-)11:55
darkangel_penguin42: i could find a link for a cd then again is it that much differernt11:55
sidI tried to specify vga=773 in grub on the kernel line, but when I do this..nothing shows up11:55
ray_how i remove all of real to start fresh inclding the one i installed from real.com11:56
ray_so i get fresh install11:56
ray_any help11:56
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kRushsid, is this only whilst booting or also on the desktop?11:57
sidkRush: both11:58
rico_anyone know of any issues with gutsy with Totem not being able to play DIVX files (or most other video formats of rthat matter)?12:00
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penguin42 sid: If it was only in X then I'd think it might be related to one of the parts of this bug; https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/4982712:00
ubotuLaunchpad bug 49827 in xorg "Available resolutions incompletely set to 1024x768, 800x600, 640x480" [High,Confirmed] 12:00
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sidpenguin42: This isn't a wide screen laptop12:02
penguin42sid: True, it is a laptop with screwy res however12:02
maccam94my synaptic touchpad doesn't seem to work when switching to another user via fast user switching. it's like it's locked to the first session or something.12:03
maccam94this has been a bug for a couple weeks now12:03
ray_how i remove all of real player folerds?12:03
maccam94anyone know of having to set options manually or anything?12:03
penguin42sid: If you scroll near the bottom of that there is the last entry by Bryce Harrington; it lists 3 commands to try and submit the results of to that report - they might help12:03
ray_folders i mean12:03
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ray_hi room12:05
ray_hi room how i remove all of real player folder so i start fresh12:05
ray_?12:05
ray_so it remakes it right12:05
ray_its nor making i right12:06
ray_saying i have other one in here12:06
sidI can't seem to start X at all. I can't get to a login screen12:06
ray_any see my q?12:06
sidIt shows me some video dialog gui12:06
maccam94ray_: rm -rf ~/.realplayerrc12:07
slackern_btw which tool is used for to configure "Custom Visual Effects" with compiz-fusion enabled?12:07
penguin42sid: Hit ctrl-alt-F1 - what do you see?12:07
maccam94actually the -rf is unneccessary12:07
sidpenguin42: vt112:07
penguin42any text?12:07
maccam94ray_: just rm ~/.realplayerrc12:07
sidyes, login etc12:07
ray_maccam94 ok did now what12:07
penguin42ok, so at least that is OK12:07
maccam94ray_: but idk about removing mozilla plugins12:07
maccam94ray_: then apt-get remove --purge realplayer (or whatever the package is called)12:08
penguin42sid: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?12:08
ray_maccam94 how do i12:08
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ray_maccam94 telling me not installed12:08
ray_what now12:09
maccam94ray_: then that's not the right package name, or it wasn't installed via apt/synaptic12:09
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slackern_slackern, i'll answer my own question compizconfig-settings-manager needs to be installed to be able to use the custom option.12:10
kRushsid, is your laptops bios up to date? it's known to cause trouble12:10
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sidkRush: yes12:12
sidIt has the very latest, A3212:12
cps1966well the only way this will boot is fastboot12:12
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secion8does the ati 8.41 driver work with ati radeon 200m cards?12:13
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maccam94if i want to file a bug in fast user switching, where do i file it? i wouldn't say it's so much a problem with the applet...12:13
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MugginsMso gutsy seems to have missed our changed daylight savings times in NZ. Dapper and Fiesty seem to have gotten it ok12:16
ray_maccam94 how i add the real player icon to the sound and video didnt make one12:16
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maccam94ray_: ALT + F2. run this: alacarte12:17
maccam94ray_: go to the sound/video section12:17
maccam94ray_: click "New Item"12:18
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ray_maccam94 ok now what i do12:18
maccam94ray_: set the name to Real Player12:18
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sidkRush / penguin42 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-i810/+bug/11789212:18
maccam94ray_: set the command to realplay12:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117892 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 "i810/intel xorg drivers hang Inspiron 1100" [Undecided,Confirmed] 12:18
sidLooks like this bug is confirmed.12:18
sidsince feisty12:19
ray_maccam94 ok now what12:19
maccam94click where it says No icon and choose one you like12:19
maccam94ray_: then hit ok and close alacarte12:19
maccam94there should now be an entry in the menu12:19
ray_maccam94 says i need a command12:20
ray_befor i close it12:20
maccam94i told you, for command put realplay12:20
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ray_maccam94 never got that in text never cme throw12:21
ray_is it a aplation12:21
ray_maccam9412:21
ray_its mine end not yours12:21
ray_maccam94 thanks so much12:21
awkoramahi allz12:22
maccam94ray_: no problem12:22
ray_maccam94 do i need mplayer12:23
awkoramais there a reason to install restricted driver for ait radeon mobility 9600 on gutsy (will desktop effects work with it) ?12:23
ray_!mplayer12:24
ubotumplayer is a media player. It resides in the mutiverse repository and can easily be installed via applications -> add/remove. For codecs try !codecs12:24
maccam94ray_: mplayer or vlc can do everything realplayer does and more12:24
maccam94ray_: are you new to ubuntu?12:24
rico_!codecs12:24
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats12:24
ray_maccam94 just to 7.1012:24
ray_maccam94 im a disabod on dsability person not great speller but real good on pc12:25
rico_anyone know how to make VLC only have up to one instance open?12:25
rico_:p12:25
ray_i mean disability person12:25
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Myrth[home] hi, i've just upgraded to gutsy and most kde icons became generic doc icon... how do i fix it?12:27
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savvasgotta love the automatic report :)12:31
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cypherdelic_greetings12:32
r3m0tdid grub/volumeid break today?12:33
sido shit12:33
sidit works now12:33
cypherdelic_beta runs well12:33
sidhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-i810/+bug/11789212:34
ubotuLaunchpad bug 117892 in xserver-xorg-video-i810 "i810/intel xorg drivers hang Inspiron 1100" [Undecided,Confirmed] 12:34
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sidI downloaded the xorg.conf from Charles Ulrich, located here: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8180312/xorg.conf12:34
cypherdelic_what about the next releaese whats the release name?12:35
sidGutsy?12:35
slackern_Hardy Heron is after Gutsy12:36
jussi01!hardy12:36
ubotuHardy Heron is the code name for Ubuntu 8.04-LTS, due April 2008. For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron12:36
Meroigocool name12:36
crdlbat least it's easy to spell :)12:37
jussi01!gusty12:37
ubotuIt is spelt !guTSy :)12:37
jussi01:)12:37
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r3m0tsince when did all the media switch to DVD?12:38
savvasi thought the mascot was supposed to be a gibbon, not an adjective :P12:38
maccam94gutsy gibbon12:38
maccam94feisty fawn is just called feisty, gutsy gibbon is shortened to gutsy12:38
maccam94etc12:38
jussi01r3m0t: it didnt afaik12:38
r3m0thttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/12:39
Pici!codenames12:39
r3m0ttribe 5 was CDs, now we're on DVDs all of a sudden12:39
ubotuUbuntu has awesome release codenames. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames for more12:39
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Picir3m0t: There are still CDs available on cdimage.ubuntu.com12:39
r3m0tthis *is* cdimage.ubuntu.com12:40
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r3m0tare DVDs now recommended?12:40
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maccam94r3m0t: why?12:40
cypherdelic_libxul depends on wrong libxul-common package12:41
r3m0tI'm curious. also does this now include live+alternate+alternate for servers?12:41
Martinp23r3m0t: http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/12:41
r3m0tah thanks.12:41
Martinp23There are CDs there - I'm not sure why there are DVDs only on cdimage. - took me ages of wondering about it before I found the releases.. subdomain :)12:42
r3m0tnow I have a choice! this is too difficult12:42
r3m0tI think I'll pick the x86 desktop CD.12:43
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sidNow X works fine, but the console doesn't work fine. it's too small12:43
searaymanwhen i try an enable desktop effects in gutsy it doeesnt work any ideas?12:43
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sidand vga=foo doesn't help at all. if I do vga=773, it shows nothing, same with vga=79112:44
r3m0tsorry for the silly question: how do I, as a one-off, make my computer shut down two hours from now?12:44
sidr3m0t: go to a terminal type "sleep #ofseconds; shutdown -h now"12:44
sidSo two hours is 120 minutes, times 60 seconds.12:45
r3m0t