[01:19] <NightBird> Xero: close, but xsessions, not Xsessions :P
[01:20] <nergar> maybe, but i guess i'll wait for the next beta or release candidate, meanwhile i'm going with zenwalk
[01:21] <Martinp23> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ mini.iso there could work better, but yeah, it might be worth just waiting.
[01:22] <Xero> NightBird, glad I could help. Lol
[01:22] <NightBird> Xero: well... it didn't exactly fix things yet...
[01:23] <Xero> NightBird, oh.
[01:23] <Xero> NightBird, good luck then.
[01:24] <NightBird> gah.... it almost makes it, I see the desktop, then the x server restarts
[01:25] <Xero> Wow. Ubuntu 7.04 gets -amazing- battery time.
[01:25] <Xero> An hour and 45 minutes of running Compiz nonstop (with all the pretties) and Totem streaming from a nearby computer.
[01:26] <Xero> That includes the GPU "intensive" goom visualization, which I would expect to eat battery like a ravenous mole.
[01:27] <savvas> whereas vista?
[01:27] <Xero> savvas, Vista lasts about 30 minutes at 100% batt.
[01:28] <Xero> Nothing special going on.
[01:28] <savvas> well 1-0 for gnu/linux then :)
[01:28] <Xero> Actually, about 300-5 for gnu/linux
[01:29] <penguin42> Xero: I think there's been a bit of work on power; 'powertop' is an interesting tool
[01:30] <Xero> penguin42, another 1-up for Ubuntu, then. No wonder I ditched XP about half a year ago.
[01:30] <Xero> Desktop: 1024MB RAM, 2.4GHz processor, 80GB HDD 128MB VRAM, Gutsy
[01:31] <Xero> Laptop: 512MB RAM, 1.4GHz processor, 40GB HDD, integrated vid, Feisty.
[01:31] <NightBird> ....I'm getting an "X: client <n> rejected from local host (uid 1000)" error in my kdm.log... could this be related to the error I'm getting?
[01:31] <penguin42> yes
[01:32] <NightBird> ok
[01:32] <NightBird> how do I fix it?
[01:32] <penguin42> NightBird: None of your disc partitions are full are they?
[01:32] <NightBird> no
[01:33] <penguin42> hmm ok, have you got a .Xauthority file ?
[01:33] <NightBird> yes
[01:33] <NightBird> move it elsewhere and see if that helps?
[01:33] <savvas> NightBird: the computer doesn't like you, you got rejected :) just kidding :p
[01:33] <NightBird> savvas: then I'll whip it into submission
[01:34] <savvas> now that's the spirit!
[01:34] <NightBird> my computers don't work with me, they work for me
[01:34] <Xero> My computer works with me, but if I must, i force it to work for me.
[01:35] <Xero> As in the case of my laptop which miraculously got wirelessed today.
[01:35] <NightBird> penguin42: what should I do with my .Xauthority file?
[01:35] <NightBird> penguin42: I tried moving it, restarting X, then logging in... didn't help
[01:36] <penguin42> NightBird: Damn - hmm if you log in in safe mode and do an ls -l of your directory are the files owned correclty by the right user? Can you create a file in there?
[01:38] <NightBird> everything is owned by me in that directory, and I can create files there
[01:38] <NightBird> (including the hidden files)
[01:38] <NightBird> ... why do I have multiple .DCOPserver's running...
[01:39] <NightBird> er... multiple .DCOPserver files
[01:41] <Xero> !find glib-gettextize
[01:41] <ubotu> File glib-gettextize found in libglib2.0-dev
[01:42] <Xero> For some reason the lappy didn't have that.
[01:42] <penguin42> NightBird: I think I'm out of ideas
[01:42] <dashua> Is there a bug for the sounds events not working in Gutsy Beta?
[01:43] <branstrom> dashua: I have the same prob, I think.
[01:43] <dashua> They work fine in sounds under preferences, but not sound when activating events.
[01:43] <dashua> Ok
[01:43] <branstrom> Haven't searched for existing bugs
[01:43] <branstrom> Yes, that's the way it is here too.
[01:44] <dashua> Ok, I'll check bugzilla.
[01:44] <tomilburn> hi, please can someone help me with an external harddrive prob that has been bugging me since feisty release
[01:45] <penguin42> tomilburn: What happens
[01:45] <tomilburn> its not auto mounting
[01:46] <tomilburn> it just stoped after i started with feisty, ive been with gusty for a while now, and still no luck
[01:47] <tomilburn> i can see it with fdisk -l
[01:47] <penguin42> and can you mount it by hand?
[01:47] <tomilburn> yes
[01:47] <tomilburn> and in fstab
[01:47] <tomilburn> but dont get the icons
[01:48] <tomilburn> my usb stick drive things work just fine, and ipod
[01:48] <penguin42> I know this is a little odd; but have you tried taking it out of fstab?
[01:48] <tomilburn> yer, its not in there
[01:48] <tomilburn> sorry
[01:48] <tomilburn> i put it in then back out for testing
[01:49] <tretle> those animal wallpapers should be included with the default installation
[01:49] <tretle> i noticed the elephant one is there now
[01:50] <penguin42> tomilburn: I assume you have the ;'mount removable media' button ticked in preferences?
[01:50] <tretle> just need a few more for variation
[01:50] <tomilburn> they are creating a bit of a stir
[01:50] <tretle> thast becasue they are quite good
[01:50] <tomilburn> ha ha, i hope so
[01:50] <tretle> and unique
[01:50] <tomilburn> where is it?
[01:50] <tretle> and suite the ubuntu down to the ground
[01:50] <penguin42> tomilburn: Removeable media preferences
[01:51] <tomilburn> yes, its ticked
[01:52] <penguin42> hohum - I don't know how the icon stuff is done
[01:52] <penguin42> where are these elephants then?
[01:52] <tomilburn> it should be in your wallpapers automaticaly
[01:53] <tomilburn> its good, im using it
[01:53] <tomilburn> dont know if its a real elefant though
[01:53] <tretle> the giraffe one is quite good also
[01:53] <tretle> and lion one
[01:54] <tomilburn> havent seen the giraffe
[01:54] <tomilburn> just lion
[01:54] <tretle> they may need to strip out the ubuntu logo though
[01:54] <tretle> as thats what they did with the elephant one
[01:54] <tretle> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GutsyIdeas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ubuntu-giraffe-1680x1050_2.jpg
[01:54] <tretle> thats the giraffe
[01:55] <tretle> all of the animal wallpapers seem more polished
[01:55] <tretle> and professional
[01:55] <tretle> i really do hope they get included as default
[01:56] <penguin42> Hmm I don't seem to have it - file names?
[01:57] <tomilburn> im not sure, it just appeared in the dialogue for me (only the elephant one)
[01:57] <tretle> yuppers
[01:57] <tomilburn> and only a few day ago, you updated
[01:57] <tretle> elephant one is the only one included atm
[01:58] <penguin42> yeh updated this morning
[01:58] <tretle> elephant one is quality
[01:58] <tretle> although
[01:58] <tomilburn> elephant-skin.jpg
[01:59] <tomilburn> in usr/share/backgrounds
[01:59] <tretle> when you set the panel to transparent you cant see the menu writing
[01:59] <tretle> applications, places, system
[01:59] <tretle> you have to up the saturation
[01:59] <tretle> but still lovely wallpaper
[02:00] <tretle> would give gutsy a good first impression
[02:05] <penguin42> Ah yes that is nice (I was looking in /usr/share/wallpapers)
[02:05] <thompa> i tried the beta in a partitioned laptop with xp and it fails to install grub. How can I reinstall grub?
[02:06] <penguin42> you should be able to run grub-install from the CD - but depending how far it got it might not have all the stuff setup to boot your XP and your gutsy
[02:06] <tretle> did u install xp before or after gutsy?
[02:06] <thompa> before,
[02:07] <tretle> hmmm
[02:07] <tretle> not sure
[02:07] <cliechti> the update manaer does nothing but re-display the list.. how do i fix that
[02:08] <thompa> tretle: it installed fine on my other computers
[02:08] <tretle> had problems with grub myself a few days ago and ended up getting grub working but unable to boot into windows anymore so i just did a fresh install of both
[02:09] <thompa> i cant reinstall windows it too painful esp on laptop
[02:09] <serengeti> hi. I've upgraded from feisty yesterday. is it a known bug that trackerd is using up all the available cpu time? it doesn't get in the way because it seems to run with a very low priority but well, cpu use is at 100% all the time for the last couple of hours...
[02:09] <serengeti> and, ~/.cache/tracker dir is over 1GB even though there's almost nothing to index in my home dir
[02:09] <archlich> thompa, check out $grub-install you also might want to check out the gentoo install docs at the grub section
[02:10] <serengeti> just a bunch of avi files
[02:10] <maccam94-away> thompa: if you can download and burn cd's, i recommend using super grub boot cd
[02:10] <maccam94-away> it can automagically fix broken grub boot records
[02:12] <shadylookin> anybody else have a problem with installing the beta where it keeps reloading the X system everytime it loads so that you get stuck in an infinite loop of reloading?
[02:12] <penguin42> serengeti: Yes I believe that is known
[02:12] <serengeti> uh, ~/.cache/tracker is 4.4G now...
[02:12] <thompa> maccam94-away: thanks where do i get that
[02:12] <maccam94-away> thompa: http://sgd.howto-linux.de/download/binaries/sgd/cdrom/sgd_current.iso
[02:12] <penguin42> serengeti: Try doing an update - I believe the issue is fixed/eased
[02:12] <cliechti> hm. is "current dist not found in meta-release file" a normal message for update-manager?
[02:13] <serengeti> penguin42, ok I just did an update, I'll try to log off to see if it's fixed. thanks :)
[02:13] <penguin42> also
[02:13] <penguin42> serengeti: There is an option to disable the indexing
[02:14] <thompa> can it create a grub record as I dont even have one, im still live an install seems  finished but no message to reboot
[02:15] <maccam94> thompa: it can scan for kernels i believe, and make a grub.conf, and write a master boot record. i think you're good as long as there's stuff in /boot/
[02:15] <maccam94> thompa: wait
[02:15] <thompa> ok
[02:15] <maccam94> thompa: i think i remember reading about that bug
[02:15] <thompa> i dont care for windows, just the kids laptop
[02:16] <thompa> maccam94: nothing in boot like menu
[02:16] <maccam94> The desktop CD sometimes suffers kernel oopses in the "unionfs" driver, which manifests itself as random program crashes, the installation getting stuck, or similar. It usually helps to just reboot and restart the installation. (https://launchpad.net/bugs/144945)
[02:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144945 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "kernel Oops in unionfs with l-u-m version 2.6.22-12.32 using Edubuntu amd64 daily 200709025" [High,Triaged] 
[02:16] <serengeti> penguin24: I think it's indexing all of my drives by default instead of just the home folder like beagle used to.. I get lots of .java files from Sun's JDK in the results
[02:16] <thompa> in /boot/grub is only device map
[02:17] <maccam94> thompa: if you're in the livecd it wouldn't be /boot, because that's /boot of the livecd
[02:17] <serengeti> I'll try deleting ~/.cache/tracker and logging off
[02:17] <thompa> that makes sense
[02:17] <maccam94> thompa: as the wiki states, just rebooting and restarting the installation works
[02:17] <thompa> sda2 is my linux part
[02:18] <thompa> maccam94: ive tried a couple of times before the beta with the alpha , no go
[02:18] <thompa> maybe the beta works
[02:18] <maccam94> k
[02:19] <thompa> maccam94: ill try installing again thanks
[02:19] <maccam94> if it doesn't, and there's stuff in /media/ubuntu/boot or /mnt/ubuntu/boot/ (it might not be called ubuntu), you can try the super grub boot cd. but you need to be able to burn the iso, and it won't work if the installation isn't complete with the actual installation part
[02:19] <thompa> got the iso ksthan
[02:19] <thompa> iso
[02:20] <thompa> maccam94: will it maybe add xp to menu
[02:20] <thompa> im going to try the grub iso first
[02:21] <DM|_> I keep getting ailed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/multiverse/source/Sources.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) when trying to upgrade from the upgrade manager?
[02:22] <DM|_> anyone have the repos i should add for terminal dist-upgrade?
[02:23] <DM|_> anyone?
[02:24] <Dr_willis> change feisty to gusty is about it i thought
[02:24] <Dr_willis> Wonder if the !upgrade factoid is done
[02:24] <Dr_willis> !upgrade
[02:24] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:26] <penguin42> DM|_: Probably worth checking you have enough free disc space - are there any other errors from gzip?
[02:26] <DM|_> penguin42 i have over 25g availe :(, just that one when trying to use Upgrade manager
[02:26] <DM|_> penguin42:  gksu "update-manager -c -d"
[02:27] <rustlerhar1> has anyone updated to gutsy recently
[02:27] <DM|_> im trying to now...
[02:27] <cliechti> update-manager is broken here. it just reloads the list. -c /-d both make no change to this. any idea?
[02:28] <DM|_> Im getting a gzip error what about u cliechti
[02:28] <cliechti> im running gutsy since many weeks and update-manager is broken since a long time too
[02:28] <DM|_> anyone have repos to add to sources list?
[02:28] <DM|_> so i can do a terminal update
[02:28] <serengeti> rustlerhar, I upgraded yesterday
[02:28] <cliechti> DM|_: i dont see any relevant error message, at least nothing like that
[02:30] <maccam94> thompa: it will, yes
[02:30] <rustlerhar1> serengeti: i tried after beta freeze and it killed my system
[02:31] <penguin42> I'd hope for something more than gzip saying it has an error
[02:32] <furenku> hello, i wonder whether the -rt kernel works with nvidia drivers now?
[02:33] <serengeti> rustlerhar1, are you sure it upgraded completely? my update kept failing on Sun JRE package and I had to restart in recovery mode... for some reason I was able to finish the update from there
[02:33] <rustlerhar1> apt get didnt install and it told me to use apt to get
[02:34] <DM|_> So yeah... I need the repos, and cant find them on the forums, can someone pastebin their gutsy repos please
[02:34] <serengeti> rustlerhar1, what happened?
[02:35] <furenku> is it a good idea to install the gutsy -rt kernel on ubuntu feisty?
[02:36] <penguin42> I guess it might work - but why do you want to?
[02:37] <serengeti> DM|_, Irish mirrors: http://dpaste.com/21004/
[02:38] <DM|_> thanks
[02:39] <furenku> penguin42, the thing is, i heard this gutsy -rt kernel is compatible with nvidia; which is not the case of the feisty one
[02:40] <cliechti> is it relevant for update-manager what it is in /etc/debian_version ?
[02:40] <penguin42> furenku: I'm guessing there is a lot more than just the kernel to get nvidia to go
[02:41] <furenku> maybe i should wait till gutsy is released?
[02:41] <DM|_> 18 days
[02:41] <Gforce005> Where looking at dumping windows, and moving into linux "ubuntu", it would seem that its more develop in-house compare to kubuntu "correct" ?
[02:41] <AmyRose> Is there a way to avoid GPG errors when using the debug symbol repos?
[02:43] <cliechti> how do i find out the release name? its should be gutsy but how can i verify that?
[02:43] <NightBird> Gforce005: kubuntu ispart of ubntu
[02:43] <NightBird> er.. is a part
[02:43] <NightBird> wow
[02:43] <NightBird> that line was horrible now that I look at it...
[02:43] <NightBird> kubuntu is a part of ubuntu.
[02:43] <NightBird> kubuntu is just a kde interface instead of the normal gnome interface
[02:44] <Gforce005> okay,
[02:44] <Gforce005> but heard that Mark, bless ubuntu
[02:44] <Gforce005> and not kubuntu
[02:44] <Gforce005> is that due to the KDE (Kde 4) org ?
[02:44] <beerfa2> Gforce005: Canonical does not produce kubuntu, so why would Mark bless it?
[02:45] <Gforce005> whom does
[02:45] <kurros> why does mark get to bless things?
[02:45] <AmyRose> Gforce005: I heard that Mark is a KDE user
[02:45] <Gforce005> really
[02:45] <AmyRose> Yes
[02:46] <Gforce005> been hearing more about ubuntu in the news... than kubuntu
[02:46] <cliechti> heheh if that were all our problems.. ;-)
[02:46] <beerfa2> kurros: because he's the one footing the bill maybe?
[02:46] <AmyRose> Gforce005: http://dot.kde.org/1147097810/
[02:47] <AmyRose> Gforce005: Another one: http://dot.kde.org/1160932072/
[02:47] <AmyRose> :D
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> amrk beless kubuntu as well, both are developed by Canonical
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> *mark blesses
[02:48] <nosrednaekim> Jonathon Riddel, the main kubuntu dev, is employed by Canonical
[02:48] <maccam94> Ubuntu is the main distribution; KUbuntu, XUbuntu, and EdUbuntu are official derivatives
[02:48] <cliechti> how can i fix the update-manager that does just nothing instead of installing the packages it shows?
[02:49] <Gforce005> oh really
[02:49] <AmyRose> It wouldn't make sense for Mark NOT to "bless" Kubuntu too, seeing as he's a KDE user.
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> maccam94: in a sense that is correct, in a sense it is not.
[02:49] <NightBird> ...crap.... my wireless device isn't been seen anymore...
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> mine is :)
[02:50] <darrend> is the new bluetooth-applet supposed to replace gnome-bluetooth?  Because the first one fails for me bt the old one still works ok..
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> yay!
[02:50] <Gforce005> what about this 3d desktop heard that is going to be in 7.10, kubuntu does not have it
[02:50] <NightBird> well, if my wireless is down, nothing is keeping me from doing a complete wipe when it comes out in a few days
[02:50] <beerfa2> that's because KDE will reinvent compositing instead of using compiz
[02:50] <NightBird> er... compiz and beryl are both fine with running in a kde interface
[02:51] <maccam94> Gforce005: Also, the preferences utility that Ubuntu is using is for setting Compiz is for Gnome
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> yalp.
[02:51] <osmosis> anyone know how to figure out what the actual differences are in the meta-packages  ubuntu-xen-desktop  and ubuntu-xen-desktop-amd64  ?
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> Hey, GNOME is good for some people, I'm not dissing it. I like KDE better but that just my opinion
[02:51] <NightBird> osmosis: one is for 32 bit systems, the other for 64 bit systems?
[02:51] <maccam94> the amd64 one will just be all of the same packages compiled for 64-bitness
[02:52] <osmosis> NightBird: they are meta-packages...what is different about them ?
[02:52] <beerfa2> I just love gnome/kde debates :-)
[02:52] <hydrogen> yes
[02:52] <AmyRose> hahaha
[02:52] <hydrogen> because its always obvious
[02:52] <NightBird> osmosis: the packages they point to
[02:52] <hydrogen> that the only people in them with intelligence
[02:52] <hydrogen> are those who prefer kde
[02:52] <osmosis> NightBird: without having gutsy installed, is there any way to see ?
[02:53] <NightBird> hydrogen: I thought you were going to say the only people in them with intelligence are the ones that aren't in them :P
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> hydrogen: trying to REALLY start a flame war?
[02:53] <NightBird> osmosis: ?
[02:53] <osmosis> NightBird: what is actually different about them ?
[02:53] <level1> hi, I'm having a lot of trouble with knetworkmanager
[02:53] <AmyRose> XD
[02:53] <AmyRose> level1: What sort of trouble?
[02:53] <osmosis> hydrogen: trolltech wouldnt ever have gone GPL if it wasnt for gnome.
[02:53] <level1> ran sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon to try to get some error messages, and all I got was...
[02:53] <level1> NetworkManager: <info>  Error getting killswitch power: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.KillSwitch.NotSupported - Access type not supported
[02:53] <beerfa2> nosrednaekim: is insulting ones choices won't work, insulting ones intelligence is sure to work ;-)
[02:53] <level1> over and over
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> beerfa2: and if that doesn't work... insult their mom.
[02:54] <Gforce005> hmm, what can't the people at kubuntu make a kde version of :setting Compiz is for Gnome
[02:54] <level1> AmyRose: it's basically doesn't want to connect to some networks, especially my school's network
[02:54] <osmosis> trolltech and KDE never gave an official appology to Richard Stallman for violating the GPL.
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> Gforce005: its not *GNOME* its gtk.
[02:54] <AmyRose> level1: I am sorry, but I have not found a workaround for that problem... I have to use a script that disables Network Manager at my school
[02:54] <NightBird> osmosis: the 32 and 64 bit packages?  one is compiled for 32 bit cpus, the other for 64 bit cpus
[02:54] <osmosis> My inspiron 1420, you know...the one that dell ships with ubuntu. Well the wireless on gutsy beta doesnt work.
[02:54] <level1> AmyRose: also, it keeps forgetting about my school's network, so I have to reenter the data
[02:55] <maccam94> Gforce005: they probably will, but they basically have to duplicate a lot of efforts that the people writing the gtk applets are making
[02:55] <osmosis> NightBird: how could it be compiled? its a meta package....it doesnt get compiled.
[02:55] <maccam94> osmosis: really? guess it's a good thing i haven't upgraded yet
[02:55] <cliechti> update-manager troubles anyone?
[02:55] <NightBird> osmosis: meta packages are packages that are used as a collection for other packages, which may have compiled items in them
[02:55] <level1> osmosis: at this point, if there was any conflict, qt would be forked into gpl so fast
[02:55] <hydrogen> osmosis: that doesn't mean that gnome's at the least last five releases have not basically been "Implement this or that feature that kde has had for a year or two"
[02:56] <AmyRose> I don't see a need for a separate KDE version of CompizConfig Settings Manager though... I have no problems using a GTK utility to configure Compiz as long as it works ;)
[02:56] <osmosis> NightBird: how can I see a list of the packages that a meta-package installs?
[02:56] <osmosis> level1: wha????  you can't fork something into GPL.  It has to be GPL to allow forking.  duh.
[02:57] <level1> AmyRose: what do you mean disable Network Manager
[02:57] <level1> osmosis: gpl isn't the only open source lincence
[02:57] <NightBird> osmosis: try apt-cache depends
[02:57] <level1> osmosis: and qt is under the qpl
[02:57] <osmosis> hydrogen: who cares if kde had it for the last two years. all that matters is today and the future. Im not going to run something because of features it did or didnt have years ago.
[02:57] <hydrogen> osmosis: except that it still doesn't have half the features
[02:58] <osmosis> level1: the trolltech license didnt allow forking to GPL.
[02:58] <hydrogen> and definatly won't once kde4 starts getting polished
[02:58] <beerfa2> hydrogen: feature list is not the most important factor
[02:58] <osmosis> NightBird:  only problem is im not booted off gutsy right now.
[02:58] <hydrogen> beerfa2: yea, your right.. sometimes I like to limit myself so that I feel more like the average human
[02:58] <beerfa2> depending on your goal
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[02:58] <nosrednaekim> hydrogen: and KDE4 doesn't really count as the present since it nowhere near usable
[02:58] <osmosis> hydrogen: once it start....yah, sure.  if they havent started yet, they are in trouble.
[02:58] <DM|_> ok help... im getting this error
[02:58] <DM|_> Failed to fetch http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[02:59] <beerfa2> hydrogen: use the software that suits your needs, but don't dog on software that suits other peoples needs
[02:59] <AmyRose> level1: My script to get on-line at my college first runs this command: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop
[02:59] <hydrogen> beerfa2: but thats whats fun!
[02:59] <maccam94> i thought KDE4 wasn't making it into gutsy
[02:59] <maccam94> at least not as default
[02:59] <osmosis> the whole gnome kde debate is so dumb. All that really matters is C or C++ since thats what they are written in respectively. And everyone knows that C++ sucks.
[02:59] <beerfa2> lol
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> osmosis: heh
[02:59] <AmyRose> osmosis: I can't stand GNOME's "features are bloat!" mentality
[02:59] <level1> AmyRose: but how do you get online then?  I thought NetworkManager was basically essential to internet access
[03:00] <AmyRose> level1: No, it's not. It just makes things easier when it works
[03:00] <hydrogen> osmosis: yet gnome is doing its best to get away from the low levelness of C because they are consistantly limited
[03:00] <osmosis> AmyRose: yah, that bugs me too. I think its getting better though.
[03:00] <level1> osmosis: you're a troll, and thats not true
[03:00] <beerfa2> AmyRose: right, and having unused cpu cycles sucks too
[03:00] <maccam94> osmosis: i just like as few running processes on my system as possible, so if i want to use a KDE app in gnome right now it's not ideal, because a whole lot of KDE processes need to run for the KDE apps to look nice/run with all of their features
[03:00] <osmosis> level1: linux torvalds says C++ sucks.
[03:00] <gnomefreak> osmosis: AmyRose stay on topic
[03:00] <hydrogen> osmosis: he also says gnome sucks :)
[03:00] <level1> osmosis: and yet he likes kde, so whats your point?
[03:01] <hydrogen> anyways
[03:01] <hydrogen> I'm sure there are better homes for all this fun
[03:01] <hydrogen> how about /dev/null ?
[03:01] <gnomefreak> everyone move this topic to #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:01] <AmyRose> level1: My script just stops NetworkManager and then calls wpa_supplicant and dhclient manually
[03:01] <serengeti> well, after the update 3d effects stopped working... compiz --replace says "Comparing resolution (1152x864) to maximum 3D texture size (1024): Failed."... which is weird since it worked 10 minutes ago. Should I file a bug or something? never done that tbh :)
[03:01] <level1> AmyRose: oh, how is that done?
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> serengeti: what video card?
[03:02] <level1> AmyRose: my school uses wep, as all the networks are cloaked
[03:02] <serengeti> radeon 8500
[03:02] <Gforce005> okay, its looks like kde... I did read that kde 4 beta 2 is out
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> serengeti: which drivers were you using?
[03:02] <AmyRose> level1: I spent about 2 weeks Googling to find out what kind of a config file I'd need, and then my script calls wpa_supplicant, then waits about 10 seconds, then calls dhclient. It works...
[03:02] <penguin42> serengeti: If something is broken then please file a bug (checking that one hasn't already been filed)
[03:02] <gnomefreak> Gforce005: it is but there really isnt anything there
[03:02] <serengeti> nosrednaekim, ati
[03:02] <Gforce005> really ?
[03:02] <gnomefreak> Gforce005: you have klipper ;)
[03:02] <osmosis> yah, so I filed a bunch of bugs for xen on amd64. I wonder if anyone will be available to get them fixed before final release.  146986, 146997, 147014, 138859
[03:02] <level1> hmmm... maybe I just live with the mediocre connectivity that I can get, that sounds like a lot of work
[03:02] <Gforce005> gnomenfreak: trying to dump windows
[03:03] <gnomefreak> Gforce005: no menu to run things most things dont work plasma works but just barely
[03:03] <gnomefreak> Gforce005: than use reg. kde until 4 is more developed
[03:03] <AmyRose> level1: I can give you my script if you're interested
[03:03] <nosrednaekim> Gforce005: But KDE 3  still rocks.!
[03:03] <Gforce005> probably a month
[03:03] <hydrogen> Gforce005: wait for beta3 at a minimum
[03:03] <hydrogen> which should be out this week
[03:03] <Gforce005> okay
[03:03] <serengeti> nosrednaekim, I mean the opensource driver ati, not ati's driver :)
[03:03] <Linux_Galore> KDE 4.0 wont be worth using till it hits 4.1
[03:03] <Gforce005> have about 12 system in the office
[03:03] <gnomefreak> hydrogen: they are tagging it this wekk release should be week 2 in oct
[03:03] <level1> AmyRose: okay, I'll take a look... why don't you dump it in pastebin and I'll dl it?
[03:04] <Gforce005> want to move to Linux
[03:04] <Linux_Galore> <-- loooooooooooong time KDE user
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> serengeti: hmm ok, I was thinking it uninstalled the driver or something...but thats not it.
[03:04] <level1> Linux_Galore: pretty sure kde 4.0 will never hit 4.1... kinda a conflict of numbers there, 0 not being 1 and all
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> Linux_Galore: just like Vista won't be worth it until SP1
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[03:04] <Gforce005> is the kubuntu 7.10 beta stable to try it on a machine ?
[03:05] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: How dare you compare FOSS to Microsoft sludge? :P
[03:05] <penguin42> Gforce005: It depends; there are some known bugs - some people are more lucky than others; most have a mostly working machine
[03:05] <level1> Gforce005: it is, but we recomend you use 7.04 until a month from now, you'll be just as happy
[03:05] <Gforce005> okay
[03:05] <nosrednaekim> Gforce005: if you are just switching (i.e. no previous experience with linux) just use fiesty.
[03:06] <DM|_> someone.. please help....
[03:06] <Linux_Galore> Im pretty happy with Gutsy right now, no serious issues, GLX isnt working still with the legacy Nvidia driver (have all the glx stuff in my xorg.conf file)
[03:06] <DM|_> Failed to fetch http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[03:06] <gavintlgold> hey, I installed more updated nvidia drivers with the driver from the website. Is that going to bite me in the behind if I update to gutsy now?
[03:06] <level1> Gforce005: as I understand it, gutsy doesn't add very much anyways, just polish and bug fixes, so you won't be missing anything
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> you can upgrade easily
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: lol
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> serengeti: go to #ubuntu-effects
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> and ask there
[03:06] <gnomefreak> use another mirror
[03:06] <serengeti> nosrednaekim, well, glxinfo seems ok, x.org's log looks good too. But the login screen is using some strange resolution that doesn't even match my screen's aspect ratio
[03:06] <nosrednaekim> gavintlgold: you'll lose them, but thats about the wirst that will happen.
[03:07] <Gforce005> had some experience with bsd
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> serengeti: you using kubuntu?
[03:07] <gavintlgold> nosrednaekim: so I won't be dumped into a shell, or failsafe x?
[03:07] <level1> serengeti: what about the desktop?
[03:07] <serengeti> nosrednaekim, no, it's regular ubuntu upgraded from feisty
[03:07] <gavintlgold> nosrednaekim: everyone talks about envy being evil and stuff... is that true?
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> gavintlgold: for safety purposes, change the xorg driver to nv before upgrading.
[03:07] <DM|_> gnomefreak its not a mirror problem, something else is going on
[03:07] <Linux_Galore> gavintlgold: herd both bad and good things about envy
[03:07] <Linux_Galore> heard*
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> gavintlgold: never hear of envy being evil. just automatix
[03:08] <level1> Linux_Galore: I've only heard bad things
[03:08] <DM|_> envy > all
[03:08] <Gforce005> level1: really does not add much..
[03:08] <gnomefreak> DM|_: that error is a mirror problem
[03:08] <gavintlgold> nosrednaekim: like for example, on #compiz-fusion the !envy factoid is "no."
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> lol.
[03:08] <level1> nosrednaekim: I don't understand automatix, I mean, how hard is it to install all that yourself?
[03:08] <gavintlgold> and they seem to think it's not good...
[03:08] <DM|_> gnomefreak it happens with the ubuntu repos too
[03:08] <Linux_Galore> if you look in the forums regarding envy some people have had a good experience others a nightmare
[03:08] <gavintlgold> nosrednaekim: ok, will do
[03:08] <gavintlgold> :) thanks
[03:08] <nosrednaekim> level1: if you are trying to get skype for 64 bit... trust me.. its hard
[03:09] <gnomefreak> DM|_: than you have a DNS issue more than likely but ubuntu mirrors work fine
[03:09] <serengeti> level1, it seems that the update messed up my monitor's specs. It's an old Samsung 700 ift that has to be configured manually, because DCC info is wrong
[03:09] <penguin42> what is 'envy' ?
[03:09] <DM|_> gnomefreak got a different mirror for me?
[03:09] <gnomefreak> penguin42: garbage
[03:09] <user_> Anyone downloading flv's from youtube, does your playback in movie player have like a dot grid layer over it? Didn't have any clarity problems in feisty
[03:09] <level1> nosrednaekim: it just that ubuntu's package names are a little irrational to new users, I mean, I want to sudo apt-get install mp3, not sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[03:09] <Linux_Galore> penguin42: a app thats installs and sets up your nvidia driver
[03:09] <Linux_Galore> an*
[03:09] <penguin42> Ah
[03:09] <ffm> firefox -ProfileManager
[03:09] <ffm> does not seem to work properly. It just starts up firefox for me.
[03:09] <Linux_Galore> penguin42: has a habbit of breaking things though
[03:10] <serengeti> level1, it's on the list in Screens and Graphics, but even though the desktop is ok now, login screen still uses wrong resolution
[03:10] <penguin42> ffm: Yes I see that as well
[03:10] <ffm> level1: but libxine-extracodecs is the name of the package.
[03:10] <gavintlgold> does ubuntu+1 have failsafe X? i heard something about that
[03:10] <gnomefreak> penguin42: it installs graphic drivers from their sites nvidia.com ati.com  and it wont allow you to remove everything that it did like build nvidia-resticted-modules so when you go to upgrade or install ubuntu package for those drivers it will fail
[03:10] <nosrednaekim> ffm: not in gutsy...
[03:10] <gnomefreak> gavintlgold: yes
[03:10] <gnomefreak> nosrednaekim: did it change names?
[03:10] <Linux_Galore> good o'l libxine-extracodecs, lazy mans way of getting it all done with one package
[03:10] <gavintlgold> cool, so if i broke the driver i would still have an x? (that's what it seems like)
[03:10] <gavintlgold> that's what i thought that meant
[03:11] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Ah, building binary modules is always a pita
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> gnomefreak: restricted-extras
[03:11] <ffm> So , noone has any idea why firefox -ProfileManager does not work?
[03:11] <gnomefreak> ah nowe i remember ty nosrednaekim
[03:11] <penguin42> ffm: firefox -no-remote -ProfileManager seems to work
[03:11] <nosrednaekim> gavintlgold: yeah... and if you change to nv before hand.. it PROBABLY won't crash in the first place
[03:11] <ffm> penguin42: thanks.
[03:12] <gavintlgold> :)
[03:12] <penguin42> ffm: I suggest bug reporting that
[03:12] <wers> anyone here having problems with the new appearance preference app?
[03:12] <user_> Any other gutsy users have grainy playback of saved flv videos ?
[03:12] <AmyRose> level1: http://www.geocities.com/amyrose2048/wctcwlan.tar.gz
[03:12] <gnomefreak> wers: uninstall blubuntu
[03:12] <gnomefreak> all of its packages
[03:12] <wers> I have not installed blubuntu
[03:12] <gnomefreak> thats #1 reason why it breaks (ther emay be others but that is the well known cause)
[03:13] <wers> the only appearance-related app I installed is Tango
[03:14] <AmyRose> level1: You must agree to the terms of the GPL version 3 though =P
[03:14] <Linux_Galore> Im really impressed with the NuvoX (Extra) Ver 0.7 icon set http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/nuvoX?content=38467
[03:15] <Linux_Galore> even a deb package on that page
[03:15] <gavintlgold> wish me luck :) ... it'll probably be done downloading in a few days :P
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> Linux_Galore: its int he repositories as well
[03:15] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[03:15] <Linux_Galore> nosrednaekim: when I looked last time it only had the old version
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> oh... hmm
[03:16] <Linux_Galore> nosrednaekim: the deb on that page works perfect with gutsy
[03:16] <AmyRose> Linux_Galore: Why would you even need a .deb package anyway?
[03:17] <Linux_Galore> AmyRose: because Im on a debian based distro
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> 64 bit?
[03:17] <Linux_Galore> 32
[03:17] <Linux_Galore> I wouldnt have though it would mattered with the icon set
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> Linux_Galore: its just icons though... why should it matter?
[03:18] <Linux_Galore> thought*
[03:18] <AmyRose> Linux_Galore: I thought you could just install icon tarballs from the icon settings dialog
[03:18] <user_> How difficult is debian to install and use in comparison to ubuntu?
[03:19] <cliechti> ok "mark all upgrades" isn't doing anything in synaptic but the re are 80 packages outstanding
[03:19] <penguin42> user_: Not that much harder; it's a bit less pretty and easy and not as up to date
[03:19] <Linux_Galore> user_: Ubuntu is based on debian
[03:19] <AmyRose> user_: It doesn't have all the drivers we have, which is the main reason I prefer Kubuntu over Debian
[03:20] <wers> gnomefreak, I just remembered, I also installed Industrial Tango. I am uninstalling it and will see if anything changes
[03:20] <user_> I realized it was based on debian
[03:20] <Linux_Galore> AmyRose: er your on crack, debian has more drivers and packages, the complete distro is like 10 DVD's now
[03:20] <nosrednaekim> user_: a debian install is much more customizable
[03:21] <Xero> user_: The main difference is customizability and user friendliness
[03:21] <AmyRose> Linux_Galore: riiiiight, and aren't you the one who doesn't know how to install icons that aren't in deb packages?
[03:21] <Xero> Ubuntu is more friendly, but Debian Sid is much, MUCH more customizable.
[03:22] <Linux_Galore> AmyRose: I installed the deb package from the command line I didnt need a clicky newbie tool
[03:22] <Xero> Linux_Galore, dpkg isn't a 1337 h4xx0r tool either.
[03:22] <Xero> Wow! 'dpkg -i somepackage.deb'!!!!
[03:22] <AmyRose> Linux_Galore: I can install icon tarballs from the CLI, so HA.
[03:22] <Xero> AMAZING! You must be t3h 1337ness in a bag!
[03:23] <AmyRose> Just throw them in ~/.icons or ~/.kde/share/icons
[03:23] <AmyRose> or /usr/share/icons if you're brave
[03:23] <Linux_Galore> AmyRose:  pfft or use buildset with aht Ubuntu flag set
[03:23] <Linux_Galore> the*
[03:23] <Xero> I like to compile things.
[03:24] <Xero> Especially the part where I have to fix dependency errors without a package manager.
[03:24] <Xero> Beat that.
[03:24] <Linux_Galore> Xero: or just edit the code :-P
[03:24] <AmyRose> I hated compiling things until I learned about checkinstall... I just hated not being able to remove programs if I deleted the source directory
[03:24] <Xero> Linux_Galore, then it won't be as functional. Thine arse loses.
[03:25] <wasabi> Hmm. So what these days is supposed to maintain permissions on device files?
[03:25] <user_> I like ubuntu a lot, like gutsy too. Only thing I have found negative about gutsy is the flv's I have saved from youtube have like a dot grid across them in playback.
[03:25] <wasabi> udev?
[03:25] <Xero> wasabi, udev/hal
[03:25] <user_> Anyone else ?
[03:25] <AmyRose> wasabi: what Xero said
[03:25] <wasabi> If I want to give a single specific user access to an entire disk, but no other disks, how would I go about it?
[03:25] <AmyRose> user_: that doesn't say much, since there are a handful of player engines, each of which probably handles them differently
[03:26] <wasabi> Traditionally I'd use setfacl on the dev node. ;)
[03:26] <Xero> lol Feisty->Gutsy update on my laptop, using WIRELESS OF DOOOOM
[03:26] <cliechti> maybe i must rm -rf / as there seems to be no cure to my problems
[03:26] <Xero> Who else has WIRELESS OF DOOOOOOM?
[03:26] <branstrom> Hmm, can I make mplayer-nogui display the video filename in the titlebar?
[03:26] <user_> I let movie player get the codec that it wanted , I just don;t know the gutsy good codecs yet.
[03:26] <AmyRose> Xero: What is it?
[03:26] <Xero> AmyRose, working wireless without ndiswrapper/driverloader in linux
[03:26] <AmyRose> Xero: Then I can answer YES!
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> Xero: indeed
[03:27] <AmyRose> I have an Atheros 802.11g card
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> Xero: Gutsy fixed my atheros
[03:27] <beerfa2> user_: playing flv in totem works fine for me. Perhaps whatever you're using to save them with is messing them up
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: ah! what card?
[03:27] <Xero> Something based on Broadcom, made by Intel here.
[03:27] <Linux_Galore> AmyRose: there is actually a kde compiler tool called kompile
[03:27] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: I have an Atheros 802.11 a/b/g card, don't know what exact model atm
[03:27] <user_> Ok using keepvid to save them, works fine in feisty.
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: ah... is it in a laptop?
[03:27] <Linux_Galore> AmyRose: no brainer to use
[03:27] <AmyRose> Linux_Galore: I know because I filed a bug on that one :P
[03:27] <pjman> Hey everyone. Should be a simple question (I hope).... Does "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" work with the new bulletproof-X? What's the bet way to re-create my xorg.conf file in the new beta?
[03:28] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: yes
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: what model?
[03:28] <cliechti> does synaptic have its own mystic database that get out of sync with apt?
[03:28] <Xero> The wireless driver works better on Ubuntu than Windows. In Windows the range is from my bedroom to the other room (where the router is)
[03:28] <penguin42> pjman: It worked for me
[03:28] <Xero> The range on the bcm43xx driver is from the downstairs kitchen to the router room.
[03:28] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212/AR5213
[03:28] <Linux_Galore> pjman: I find it works but doesnt do it properly if your using nvidia with glx
[03:29] <Xero> No, I don't have more than one kitchen. Just pointing out that the computer is a floor and a few rooms away from the router.
[03:29] <beerfa2> pjman, why not use the new system > admin > screens and graphics ui?
[03:29] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: That's what lspci has
[03:29] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: what model of laptop? I think I have the same chipset.
[03:30] <pjman> Linux_Galore: pardon the stupid question but how do I know if I'm using glx? I've been trying to use the nVidia restricted drivers with Compiz. Is that utilizing glx?
[03:30] <Xero> pjman, glxinfo
[03:30] <Xero> in terminal
[03:30] <pjman> beerfa2: That's what messed up my xorg.conf file...
[03:30] <user_> Is ffmpeg now a full player?
[03:30] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: It came with my now-dead Toshiba Satellite A65-S126, and now I am using it in a Toshiba Satellite 2455-S3001 (it came with an Orinoco chipset that worked great but didn't support WPA)
[03:30] <user_> From synaptic," multimedia player, server and encoder"
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> ah...ok
[03:30] <Linux_Galore> pjman: you need glx to be working to do 3D stuff
[03:31] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: I do love the fact that I could take the Atheros card out of that computer and put it in this one :D
[03:31] <beerfa2> pjman: be sure to submit a bug about that if it did.
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: miniPCI?
[03:31] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: Yeah. The neat thing about "built-in" wifi is that it's not really built-in ;)
[03:31] <pjman> Linux_Galore: I had compiz working (using travino's repos) under feisty so that must be using glx. I'll have to read up on it more to understand it.
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> lol. i have an extra miniPCI slot... I wonder what I could do with it :)
[03:32] <AmyRose> This laptop was a year older but cooler than the laptop I had before, and now it's even better after the wifi upgrade
[03:32] <AmyRose> :)
[03:32] <Xero> nosrednaekim, install some pizza in it for later use.
[03:32] <Xero> Hehe
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> lol.
[03:32] <nosrednaekim> it'd sure be cooked :)
[03:32] <AmyRose> I went from a 2004 bargain model to a 2003 desktop replacement :D
[03:32] <pjman> beerfa2: I will if I can reproduce the problem or narrow down what happened after the upgrade. Does anyone know the difference between system > admin > screens and graphics and system > preferences > screen resolutions?
[03:33] <Xero> Mine's a 2005 bargain model (the desktop)
[03:33] <Xero> Originally had only 512MB ram, that's been doubled, now once again obsolete.
[03:33] <Xero> 2.4GHz processor (not too bad)
[03:33] <pjman> it looks to me that screen resolutions should not be included with Gutsy... Screens and Graphics looks to do all the same
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> mine is a midrange 2006 lappy
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> very decent
[03:35] <Xero> Mine's good enough to run Compiz at a decent speed, watch my videos, and play my games, so that's what I call "decent"
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> same here... I can watch HD too
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> so thats all I need
[03:35] <Xero> I don't need hi-def.
[03:36] <Linux_Galore> I find my Nvidia MX420GO setup doesnt have enough grunt for compiz
[03:36] <Xero> Just pop in a dvd and stare at the rapidly flickering box of colors.
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> but I do :) we have a nice Myth-backend with two HD tuners
[03:36] <Xero> I have a TV tuner but it sucks.
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> Xero: lol...reminds me of a joke.
[03:36] <Xero> Very blurry, staticy
[03:36] <Xero> Decided to just not watch it.
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> Greg: hello,this is Linux tech support,how may I help you ?
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> User: I am trying to watch a DVD and its jumping
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> Greg: thats DMA
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> User: how do I fix it?
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> Greg:blinck your eyes in sync with the DMA.
[03:37] <Xero> lol
[03:38] <Linux_Galore> Ive been using some HP NC's I purchased on an online auction ($24 each x 4) as front ends to me media server (stream to TV) and a N800 as the remote control
[03:38] <Xero> OMG F>G UPDATE COMPLETE ON LAPPY
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> Xero: coolo
[03:39] <Xero> nosrednaekim, Actually, it's still unpacking, but it's done downloading.
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> ah
[03:39] <Xero> Wireless is slow.
[03:39] <Linux_Galore> the HP NC's already run Linux (XFCE desktop) so they are pretty cool
[03:40] <savvas> that log is real? :)
[03:40] <Xero> My Wii is going to run Linux in about a year when they've reverse engineered it well enough.
[03:40] <beerfa2> pjman: screen resolutions is a user level resolution preference (can be different for every user). The admin screens is xorg configuration
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> savvas: what log?
[03:40] <savvas> the one you didn't post nosrednaekim
[03:40] <Xero> The tech DMA
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> Xero: why wait get a PS3
[03:41] <savvas> :p
[03:41] <Xero> Linux_Galore, because I'm poor.
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> savvas: no lol.... its from a cartoon in a Linux Journal
[03:41] <Xero> Why else would i be on a 2005 budget desktop?
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> Xero: off ebay
[03:41] <savvas> ah darn
[03:41] <Linux_Galore> heh
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> lol...
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> savvas: although I once did do it to someone who complained about it :)
[03:41] <Xero> My XBox runs XFCE.
[03:41] <savvas> same solution? :P
[03:42] <Xero> Firefox, Totem, basic Ubuntu setup, really.
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> savvas: certainly....followed by a good !dvd for good measure
[03:42] <Xero> !dvd
[03:42] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:42] <Xero> Yay!!!!
[03:43] <Linux_Galore> Xero: companies like HP/IBM/Dell sell their old stock on online auction sites, recently I got a 9 month old HP machine Intel Core 2 duo for US$170 that retailed for over USD$2k
[03:43] <savvas> !bd
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <Xero> Unpacking is done. Setup of packages for Gutsy begins now.
[03:43] <Xero> Linux_Galore, HOLY SH**!!!
[03:43] <savvas> nothing on bluray discs :)
[03:43] <Linux_Galore> Xero: brand new
[03:43] <savvas> !bluray
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bluray - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <Xero> !blu-ray
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blu-ray - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <savvas> meh
[03:43] <Xero> lol
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> !blueray
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blueray - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> !blue ray
[03:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about blue ray - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:43] <Xero> !noob
[03:43] <AmyRose> Xero: You made me hungry for pizza, so I got a microwave pizza :P
[03:43] <ubotu> Acronyms or statements like  noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> heh
[03:44] <pjman> beerfa2: thanks for the info
[03:44] <savvas> oy!
[03:44] <Xero> AmyRose, lol
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> cook it under your laptop AmyRose?
[03:44] <Xero> What's jfgi?
[03:44] <beerfa2> microwave pizza? eww
[03:44] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: Nah, thankfully, mine's not like an Apple MacBook
[03:44] <savvas> do the software burners support bluray discs?
[03:44] <savvas> like brasero/k3b?
[03:44] <Linux_Galore> Xero: allot of the ebay sellers get their stuff from on-line auction sites thats why the models often sold are a year old (even though they are new)
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: i've heard of people cooking eggs on those..lol
[03:45] <Xero> I can cook a micropizza on mine.
[03:45] <Xero> The video card is overclocked to double its original clock speed.
[03:45] <savvas> where's the fun in a laser beam cooking your dinner in 5 minutes?
[03:45] <savvas> you're not even preparing your organism for a food overload :)
[03:45] <Linux_Galore> savvas: pffft whats about all the un armed sharks
[03:46] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: Yeah, because "The Macbook is not a laptop!"
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: and if it is a laptop, there won't be a lap anymore.
[03:46] <Xero> lol
[03:46] <savvas> Linux_Galore: you might wanna translate that in plain english :p
[03:47] <Xero> savvas, he's asking about the unarmed sharks.
[03:47] <Xero> You know, the sharks that don
[03:47] <Xero> 't have guns
[03:47] <Linux_Galore> 42" 1920x1080i LCD + kubuntu 7.10 playing anime - fwah!
[03:47] <beerfa2> I'd be more concerned about the sharks with arms
[03:47] <Linux_Galore> savvas: aaah look up Dr Evil and sharks
[03:48] <Xero> What is jfgi?
[03:48] <AmyRose> XD http://www.appledefects.com/?p=15
[03:48] <AmyRose> Hi Hobbsee
[03:48] <Linux_Galore> got an anime club meeting later today at my place
[03:48] <Xero> Just F-ing Google It?
[03:48] <AmyRose> Xero: I think you're right about that
[03:49] <Hobbsee> hi
[03:49] <Linux_Galore> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dr._Evil
[03:52] <Linux_Galore> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bh7bYNAHXxw
[03:52] <Linux_Galore> for those who havent watched Austin Powers
[03:53] <AmyRose> Is it a thermal one (as in the case of Macbooks)?
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> a notebook is what you get when you no longer have a lap.
[03:53] <savvas> Linux_Galore: give me the link again when either macromedia makes a working 64-bit browser plugin, or when gnash begins to really work :P
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> savvas: try nspluginwrapper?
[03:54] <Linux_Galore> lol nosrednaekim beat me to it
[03:54] <savvas> nope, I'm using the gnash for now, reporting all the bugs I can find
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> fastest guns on IRC, thats me
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> :)
[03:55] <savvas> that's the point of beta anyway
[03:56] <Linux_Galore> if you have a wii it can play youtube stuff
[03:56] <savvas> which irc client are you guys using? xchat?
[03:56] <dn> don't you have to pay for the web browser?
[03:57] <Linux_Galore> savvas: Im on konversation
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> savvas: konversation
[03:57] <AmyRose> savvas: Konversation
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> dn: what web browser?
[03:57] <DM|> ok no matter what i do i cant update to gusty......
[03:57] <savvas> is there an echo in here? :)
[03:57] <Linux_Galore> simple clean and does the job
[03:57] <AmyRose> savvas: Nah, we're just fond of Konversation ;)
[03:58] <savvas> ah ok
[03:58] <savvas> sorry to disappoint you, but it doesn't
[03:58] <AmyRose> I can only get videos to work in Firefox, which I hate...
[03:58] <Linux_Galore> I use to like Xchat but now its like some teenagers myspace app with way too much crap
[03:59] <savvas> why it's all the fun!
[03:59] <savvas> that's why I use irssi haha
[04:00] <savvas> xchat is there though when I like to play my few python programming skills
[04:00] <AmyRose> oops wrong button
[04:00] <AmyRose> I can get Gnash to work on YouTube, but only in Firefox.
[04:01] <Linux_Galore> DONT PRESS THE RED BUTTON!!
[04:01] <Linux_Galore> heh
[04:01] <AmyRose> I had to disable the Quit shortcut
[04:01] <savvas> AmyRose: how?
[04:01] <AmyRose> savvas: I just install it through the debs in the Gutsy repos...
[04:01] <skinnypuppy1334> I still can
[04:02] <Linux_Galore> I wish konqueror could use firefox plugins
[04:02] <savvas> It's not on gecko :P
[04:02] <AmyRose> Linux_Galore: Uh, can't it?
[04:02] <savvas> anyway, duty calls, clinic hours, laters
[04:03] <Linux_Galore> I like the google preview plugin for Firefox
[04:03] <skinnypuppy1334> I still can't get saved videos to play without a dot grid layed out over them. I'v installed vlc player and ffmpeg and no change. How can I tell what engine gutsy is using for playback?
[04:04] <AmyRose> skinnypuppy1334: That would depend on what player you are using under it.
[04:04] <Linux_Galore> ie it shows thumb images of web pages next to search results
[04:04] <Hobbsee> AmyRose: find out why it doesnt work in konq, and fix it?
[04:04] <skinnypuppy1334> Amy both movieplayer and vlc media player
[04:04] <Linux_Galore> AmyRose: I dont like FF myself but konqueror is an incomplete tool for me
[04:06] <AmyRose> skinnypuppy1334: Try MPlayer or Xine-UI
[04:06] <savvas> skinnypuppy1334: do you have compiz/3d effects enabled?
[04:06] <skinnypuppy1334> Compiz is enabled yes
[04:06] <skinnypuppy1334> Mplayer crashes, haven't tried xine yet
[04:06] <savvas> there is a video playback plugin..
[04:07] <AmyRose> Linux_Galore: I like Konqueror and Opera myself
[04:07] <skinnypuppy1334> savvas a plugin for compiz-fusion? Could you tell me more?
[04:07] <AmyRose> skinnypuppy1334: You need CompizConfig Settings Manager
[04:07] <savvas> skinnypuppy1334: sudo apt-get install python-compizconfig
[04:07] <AmyRose> Hobbsee: Uh, how would I do that? I'm not a programmer... ^^;
[04:07] <skinnypuppy1334> I've got config manager.
[04:08] <savvas> skinnypuppy1334: under utility, there's a video playback plugin, try enable it
[04:08] <Hobbsee> AmyRose: learn programming :)
[04:08] <savvas> ouch
[04:08] <savvas> ok I'm really out :P
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: got a speedlearning course on hand?
[04:09] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: not offhand, but google would
[04:09] <Hobbsee> techbase tutorials are good
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> Hobbsee: I meant SPEEDLEARN not RTFM.
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[04:10] <Hobbsee> nosrednaekim: :)
[04:10] <skinnypuppy1334> Enabled the video plugin in comp settings manager, no change. still a black dot grid over the video . I'll get xine and see....
[04:10] <skinnypuppy1334> I gotta say though I am impressed with gutsy tribe 6 partial upgrade.
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> skinnypuppy1334: you running XGL?
[04:11] <skinnypuppy1334> Video is fine in firefox browser though.
[04:12] <skinnypuppy1334> XGL not that I know of.
[04:12] <DM|> HELP http://pastebin.com/m597070c9
[04:12] <AmyRose> skinnypuppy1334: Yeah, if you're using XGL, you'd probably know about it
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: not neccesarily
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> skinnypuppy1334: do a "glxinfo"
[04:12] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: XGL is a pain to set up...
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> and see if you have direct rendering
[04:13] <skinnypuppy1334> I haven't had to install anything xgl, not using nvidia video either
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: not un gutsy
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: fully (and painfully) automatic
[04:13] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: You do know that XGL and AIGLX are not the same thing, right?
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: this ain't no idiot
[04:13] <skinnypuppy1334> DIrect Rendering Yes
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> skinnypuppy1334: hmm ok.
[04:14] <skinnypuppy1334> server glx version string: 1.2
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> skinnypuppy1334: you're not running XGL
[04:14] <skinnypuppy1334> OK
[04:15] <skinnypuppy1334> I'll try gxine for kicks.
[04:19] <skinnypuppy1334> Gxine won't play the flv or the mp4
[04:20] <beerfa2> vlc
[04:21] <skinnypuppy1334> vlc and movieplayer both work but have a grid of small black dots all over the video area. Looks like a CAD screen with points turned on
[04:21] <beerfa2> those have different engines, so probably driver issue or something else
[04:22] <skinnypuppy1334> Hmmm works well in feisty.
[04:23] <beerfa2> Submit a bug report
[04:23] <skinnypuppy1334> Intel 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller
[04:24] <beerfa2> that is the purpose of testing the beta after all
[04:24] <skinnypuppy1334> I will but figured I'd ask around about engines decoders first since I know little about them
[04:25] <skinnypuppy1334> I was using the feisty codecs non free flawless. I don't know what repo they were from though and whether or how to try them on gutsy
[04:26] <skinnypuppy1334> Video codecs were the only thing I used automatix for, then removed it from sources.list
[04:26] <beerfa2> the codecs work fine for me. it's not a codec issue
[04:26] <skinnypuppy1334> in feisty that is
[04:27] <beerfa2> at least not a generic issue
[04:28] <beerfa2> why are you using automatix btw? gutsy auto installs codecs
[04:28] <beerfa2> you should avoid that automatix crap
[04:29] <skinnypuppy1334> Those non free automatix codecs were the only ones I could get to do much in feisty
[04:29] <beerfa2> gutsy detects if you're missing even non-free codecs and installs them automatically
[04:29] <AmyRose> What I'd like to know is how exactly Automatix screws up a system. I keep hearing that it does, but never anything more detailed than that.
[04:29] <beerfa2> automatix has no purpose
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> !automatix
[04:29] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[04:30] <skinnypuppy1334> It did. It got its own codecs when I first opened the video files
[04:30] <beerfa2> AmyRose: someone posted a detailed review of automatix. google for it
[04:31] <Pumpernickel> No need to google it, it's linked in the factoid.
[04:31] <beerfa2> yeah, just noticed that :-)
[04:36] <towlieba> has anyone here installed kubuntu in a virtual machine
[04:36] <_dan_> i did once
[04:37] <beerfa2> I booted it as a live cd once...that's all I could take though
[04:37] <slimz> anyone feel like helping me get my wireless back to roaming mode?
[04:37] <slimz> for some reason  my system tray icon dissapeared andi had to set it all manually
[04:38] <_dan_> slimz did u try the windows fix? reboot?
[04:38] <slimz> also being manually connected like this it keeps randomly disconnecting
[04:38] <slimz> yes of course
[04:39] <slimz> there used to be an option in admin->network to switch to roaming mode, but its gone
[04:39] <beerfa2> is network manager still in system > preferences > session ?
[04:39] <slimz> yes
[04:39] <beerfa2> is it running?
[04:40] <Xero> Feisty also autoinstalls codecs...
[04:40] <AmyRose> towlieba: Yeah, I have
[04:40] <AmyRose> Xero: Isn't that only true on GNOME though?
[04:40] <towlieba> AmyRose, what virtual machine did you use ?
[04:40] <slimz> rightnow its nm-applet --sm--disable
[04:40] <AmyRose> towlieba: VirtualBox
[04:40] <slimz> same for my volume manager
[04:40] <Xero> AmyRose, I think so.
[04:40] <defcon> ok I installed Ubuntu Tribe 5 and I have been doing update-manager -d will this update me to the complete Gutsy final eventually?
[04:40] <_dan_> slimz did u check weather your network card is enabled? drivers loaded?
[04:41] <AmyRose> Xero: So that's useless to the n00bs who prefer KDE... :(
[04:41] <defcon> kde sucks
[04:41] <_dan_> dont use words like n00b
[04:41] <defcon> i know some driver programmers that use kde, why would they
[04:41] <towlieba> heres what happens when i try to install kubuntu 7.10 with parallels as the VM and a new virtual hard drive and an iso as the virtual CD
[04:42] <towlieba> 1. i boot the live cd and see a brief ACPI related error that flashes by 2. i choose the first option which is start/install kubuntu 2. i see the blue kubuntu logo with the progress bar moving back and forth 3. the progress bar hangs at the left of the progress bar. 4. i see the gui for a second then the screen refreshes and goes black 5.  i see starting K Display manager then starting cupsds 6. nothing else happens after
[04:42] <towlieba>  waiting for 15 minutes
[04:42] <slimz> _dan_, i didnt need, it is on a thinkpad laptop, the only restricted drivers was for the atheros hardware layer
[04:42] <skinnypuppy1334> How much ram total and how much are you dedicating to that machine ?"
[04:42] <_dan_> slimz did u check weather drivers for the card is loaded? and yes, u do need driver for the card
[04:42] <_dan_> try cat /proc/dev/net
[04:42] <towlieba> skinnypuppy1334, i have 2gb total, 1gb for the vm
[04:42] <_dan_> to see weather its there
[04:43] <slimz> _dan_ none show up for it to enable in restricted drivers, and im using the wireless right now
[04:43] <slimz> _dan_, i just cant get the applet to start or to go into roaming more
[04:43] <slimz> *mode
[04:43] <skinnypuppy1334> You should be ok, I had those problems with only 512,
[04:43] <_dan_> its not about restirced
[04:43] <_dan_> slimz ok
[04:43] <_dan_> the executable for the applet is called nm-applet can u start it manually out of a console?
[04:45] <Xero> !u | dan
[04:45] <ubotu> dan: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[04:45] <slimz> _dan_, slimz@slimz-laptop:~$ nm-applet
[04:45] <slimz> /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found
[04:45] <j4> is this thing working?
[04:45] <Xero> Use the grammar you would use when writing in this channel, please. This channel reflects the Ubuntu community and needs to be very professional and family friendly.
[04:45] <slimz> wow language bot
[04:46] <_dan_> xero u can either accept me saying u, or u can ask me to leave this channel and i wont help ppl her anymore, your choice
[04:46] <slimz> 4real or 1mom mite think 1 4m hackar andcall thecopz
[04:47] <_dan_> slimz did it start, did u try installed esd?
[04:47] <slimz> esd?
[04:47] <Xero> _dan_, I don't even know what to say to that. You could've at least either ignored it or been a bit nicer. If that's how you want to do things, I guess it's not my choice, but yours. Leave if you want, otherwise, stay and do whatever.
[04:48] <_dan_> its the gnome sound deamon, i dont see a reason why it wont run without out but hmm, did the applet start?
[04:48] <Xero> Meh. Whatever.
[04:48] <slimz> _dan_, E: Couldn't find package esd
[04:48] <AmyRose> !u | _dan_
[04:48] <ubotu> _dan_: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[04:48] <_dan_> Xero i am getting tired of ppl, lurking in channel pasting bot commands, accept it, ignore me, ask me to leave
[04:48] <slimz> Xero,  i need the ubuntu help thanks, not a language lesson
[04:49] <slimz> this isnt channel ENGLISH
[04:49] <Xero> slimz, then stop complaining and ignore my request.
[04:49] <beerfa2> did I slip into the WoW channel?
[04:49] <Xero> Is it that hard? No.
[04:49] <slimz> so ignore _dan_
[04:49] <slimz> is it that hard?
[04:49] <slimz> no
[04:49] <Hobbsee> slimz: you should only be concerned that you're putting yourself forward as about 10 years old, by the language you're using
[04:49] <Hobbsee> but, if you dont care, then..
[04:50] <_dan_> haha do u really think, saying u instead of you says *anything* abouzt the physical age of a person, well think again if U dont wanna be taken as a child
[04:50] <slimz> "don't"
[04:50] <slimz> annoying isn't it?
[04:50] <_dan_> well back to topic
[04:50] <_dan_> slimz did the applet start or not?
[04:50] <AmyRose> _dan_: Yes, it does. =P
[04:50] <Hobbsee> !offtopic
[04:50] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[04:51] <_dan_> AmyRose well that says more about than me
[04:51] <slimz> _dan_, no it did not
[04:51] <j4> does any one know of a driver for trident that supports open gl or glx?
[04:51] <Xero> slimz, I try to make the channel a bit more professional. If you don't care, then ignore the request. It's amazing how immature people can take a request by a person and escalate it into an argument.
[04:51] <DanaG> Whenever I see the letter 'u' alone, I think "oooo".
[04:51] <Xero> Hobbsee, okay. I'll stop "ranting" (if you can call it that) now.
[04:51] <slimz> DanaG, that's because you're obviously new to irc
[04:52] <Hobbsee> Xero: of course, those who like using aimspeak can easily be ignored, too.
[04:52] <_dan_> slimz i had the same problem with tribe 5 whenn i installed it but it went away in a few days, do u have the latest packages?
[04:52] <_dan_> Xero whatever makes u feel yourself superior *yawn*
[04:52] <beerfa2> Xero: someone who's language like "(09:48:31 PM) Xero: Just F-ing Google It?" shouldn't preach at others
[04:52] <slimz> _dan_, no i am running an upgrade now, but it keeps timing out and starting again, i guess i will just let it finish, then look into it further afterwards
[04:53] <slimz> lol
[04:53] <Hobbsee> anyone else?
[04:53] <slimz> wow thanks guys
[04:53] <Xero> slimz, I have been on IRC for years. Maybe I enjoy not getting into a habit and getting my grades screwed up at school? I'm not superior, either, _dan_.
[04:53] <DanaG> Actually, I think 'u' intentionally.
[04:53] <Xero> Now boot me.
[04:53] <_dan_> slimz sry i cant help u anymore, maybe some other ppl will join
[04:53] <DanaG> s/u/oooo/
[04:53] <DanaG> It makes the other person sound bad.
[04:54] <slimz> the guy is just trying to help me, this is the last time i come to this channel
[04:54] <DanaG> Okay.
[04:54] <Hobbsee> did i miss anyone?
[04:54] <Xero>  Sorry for being a grammar Nazi, but I wasn't really trying to start a flamewar.
[04:54] <Xero> Lol.
[04:54] <skinnypuppy1334> HA
[04:55] <AmyRose> Xero: I think ubotu is more of a grammar Nazi.
[04:56] <skinnypuppy1334> Is there a web based forum for gutsy beta users?
[04:56] <Hobbsee> !forum
[04:56] <ubotu> The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org
[04:56] <Hobbsee> skinnypuppy1334: yes, in ^
[04:56] <skinnypuppy1334> thx bot + Hobbsee
[04:56] <hdevalence> I'm having problems with Kaffeine
[04:58] <hdevalence> It won't start, and when I run from a console with --verbose, it doesn't give me anything, not even the usual "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 171"
[04:58] <Xero> Why was I under a silence ban anyway? Not picking at or on anyone. I just want to know why I was under silence when others who did the same thing weren't.
[04:58] <AmyRose> And why was I /removed?
[04:58] <Xero> AmyRose, don't push it. I'm likely to get kickbanned just for asking that.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> AmyRose: i warned pepole - i said i'd boot anyone who continued with the language discussions.  and you did.
[04:59] <Xero> Hobbsee, sorry. Didn't know I was carrying it on. Just said I didn't mean to start a flamewar.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> Xero: fair enough
[05:00] <AmyRose> I didn't mean to start a flame war either
[05:00] <Xero> AmyRose, I don't think you did. You just fanned it a bit (so did I)
[05:00] <Xero> Okay. Back on topic before anyone else gets ban/removed.
[05:00] <hdevalence> Should I file a bug report? How would I go about doing that?
[05:01] <Xero> Ouch.
[05:01] <hydrogen> !bug | hdevalence
[05:01] <ubotu> hdevalence: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[05:01] <Xero> Yeah. My laptop is updating F->G
[05:02] <Hobbsee> AmyRose: which ones?
[05:02] <hdevalence> The only reason I'm running Gutsy is that Feisty doesn't like my hardware...
[05:02] <hydrogen> so what will ubuntu do after Zany Zealot is released?
[05:02] <AmyRose> Hobbsee: Mostly the openoffice.org ones. Somehow these packages aren't being configured
[05:03] <Xero> hydrogen, Oney One.
[05:03] <AmyRose> hydrogen: Hopefully we never have a release called THAT
[05:03] <_dan_> hydrogen start over again, there is actually a faq question for that i remember reading somewhere ;)
[05:03] <skinnypuppy1334> Can't wait for Antsy AntEater
[05:03] <Hobbsee> AmyRose: use apt-get -f install
[05:03] <hydrogen> I'd think that one would have to start using double letters...
[05:03] <Xero> Gooey Grub.
[05:03] <Xero> The version that fixes a lot of problems with the bootloader.
[05:03] <AmyRose> Hobbsee: Thanks, I forgot about that command
[05:04] <Hobbsee> we have problems with the bootloader?
[05:04] <Xero> Hobbsee, no. There probably will be, though.
[05:04] <Xero> Even GRUB/LILO aren't perfect.
[05:04] <skinnypuppy1334> Gutsy handled installing a tripple boot grub for me with 704 and winderz
[05:04] <level1> Xero: whats the deal with grub 2?  is it any better?
[05:04] <Xero> level1, never tried it.
[05:05] <penguincentral> hi.  I am having trouble with the realvnc viewer in gutsy.  I can't enter my password in the window given when i type in vncviewer <ip address>.
[05:05] <Xero> I've heard it sucks, though.
[05:05] <hydrogen> err
[05:05] <hydrogen> aahrus aardwolf
[05:05] <skinnypuppy1334> I have to have windoz for mastercam
[05:05] <Xero> s/1.2/1.25
[05:06] <skinnypuppy1334> I ditched it with 5.0 ubuntu after playing with suse a while
[05:06] <Xero> diteched?
[05:06] <hydrogen> but I've gotten to running it in virtualbox
[05:06] <Xero> lol
[05:06] <_dan_> i never was into windows, dos ->linux directly
[05:06] <level1> I still have it, intend to use it for games but too lazy
[05:06] <Xero> Ditech is insurance or something, isn't it?
[05:06] <AmyRose> Back in 2004, I had to deal with people pointing out what "cool" things they could do on Windows. Then Compiz and Beryl came out, and I was the one with the last laugh =)
[05:06] <skinnypuppy1334> Virtual box made windows machines fine, but had crc issues with installing from known good files
[05:06] <skinnypuppy1334> vmware server no probs
[05:07] <Xero> I use Wine/Cedega for games. Cedega is basically just for when programs won't work on Wine.
[05:07] <level1> AmyRose: since when were their cool things you can do with windows?
[05:07] <Xero> That's a very seldom occasion, though.
[05:07] <penguincentral> Xero: how much is cedega?
[05:07] <AmyRose> level1: That's why I put "cool" in quotation marks.
[05:07] <Xero> penguincentral, $pirated.00
[05:07] <level1> Xero: I wish we could re engineer all the cedega stuff for wine
[05:07] <hydrogen> well
[05:07] <hydrogen> all you need to do
[05:08] <AmyRose> People seem to care more about shiny eye-candy than about actual functionality, so when I started using Beryl, and now Compiz, they were so jealous...
[05:08] <skinnypuppy1334> CAD/CAM still pretty windows based. I do use EMC2 cnc machine controller on ubuntu though. Linuxcnc.org
[05:08] <hydrogen> is use cedaga svn/cvs
[05:08] <hydrogen> and its legally free
[05:08] <penguincentral> MSG Xero Where did you get it from?
[05:08] <hydrogen> its only the releases they charge for
[05:08] <penguincentral> god damn it
[05:08] <AmyRose> hydrogen: I have tried getting that working for ages, but I could never get the stupid thing to compile
[05:09] <AmyRose> :)
[05:09] <Xero> :)
[05:09] <Jordan_U> AmyRose, What were you trying to compile?
[05:09] <Xero> My GTK windows are even tinted slightly blue.
[05:10] <AmyRose> Jordan_U: I was talking about Cedega CVS
[05:10] <Jordan_U> AmyRose, Oh, that's definitely a pain.
[05:11] <AmyRose> Jordan_U: yeah, but hydrogen said they could do it
[05:11] <hydrogen> It worked well for me
[05:11] <hydrogen> but I just switched to virtualbox
[05:11] <Jordan_U> AmyRose, There was an ebuild for it for Gentoo at one point but then Cedega got angry and they stopped packaging it
[05:11] <hydrogen> I have a copy of xp.. and it works much smoother than the not an emulater
[05:11] <AmyRose> I have no legal right to run Windows anyway
[05:11] <AmyRose> Xero: Clever :D
[05:11] <AmyRose> hydrogen: Yeah, but I have no legal copies of Windows, and I switched to Linux to avoid XP.
[05:12] <skinnypuppy1334> I wish schools would quit using windows
[05:12] <Xero> I have a legal copy of XP, but the license key is messed up so I had to pirate it on my 3rd install or so.
[05:12] <Jordan_U> I have no legal or illegal copies of Windows :)
[05:12] <AmyRose> I have no idea why Vista requires so much when Compiz can do more than Vista, on a Pentium III
[05:12] <skinnypuppy1334> I'll second that
[05:12] <Xero> Because Vista sucks.
[05:13] <skinnypuppy1334> I saw vista for the first time today. GAG
[05:13] <Xero> I used Vista once.
[05:13] <Xero> The Aero interface looked nice, but I can get that on Linux, plus more.
[05:13] <Xero> Otherwise, it sucked the biggest ones ever.
[05:13] <AmyRose> My sister's boyfriend skipped high school to buy Vista Ultimate. What a waste of $400 US
[05:14] <Jordan_U> The blur in Vista makes me think I don't have my glasses on, I hate it ( don't use it in Compiz either )
[05:14] <skinnypuppy1334> Is there a setting in fusion to stand the windows off the cube surface when rotating?
[05:14] <hydrogen> skipping school to buy a new OS?
[05:14] <penguincentral> AmyRose: that's strange
[05:14] <hydrogen> what a geek :)
[05:14] <penguincentral> !microsoft
[05:14] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[05:14] <Xero> I use the blur, but only in showoff sessions with many friends gathered around the computer.
[05:14] <hydrogen> what a misguided geek
[05:14] <Jordan_U> AmyRose, That's depressing
[05:14] <penguincentral> hydrogen: at least with ubuntu i can download it straight after school :)
[05:15] <Xero> Slowmode cube time
[05:15] <AmyRose> Yeah, my mom said "So, are you excited about Vista?" sarcastically, and I told her "No, I'm more excited about Kubuntu Feisty" and she said "Smart move!"
[05:16] <Xero> Actually, I have a script run by cron to update my Ubuntu.
[05:16] <hydrogen> hmm
[05:16] <Xero> :)
[05:16] <Xero> Every night at midnight, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade
[05:16] <hydrogen> thats just silly
[05:17] <Xero> This computer runs a web server. It's http://www.xero-games.com
[05:17] <AmyRose> She doesn't use Linux, and she was suspicious at first when I switched, but at least now she knows I have been able to get along without Windows for almost 4 years, so... :D
[05:17] <hydrogen> that makes it even sillier
[05:17] <hydrogen> as an admin you should be sure you keep an eye on what is being updated
[05:17] <hydrogen> doing it automatically is asking for problems to occur
[05:18] <Xero> hydrogen, okay then. I'll just take the task out of my crontab and whatnot and do it every frickin day.
[05:18] <hydrogen> as long as you keep an eye on what it is that is being updated
[05:18] <AmyRose> Xero: Why are you advocating a bloated web browser (Firefox) anyway? :P
[05:18] <hydrogen> truly!
[05:18] <Xero> AmyRose, my visitors use IE.
[05:19] <hydrogen> then advocate opera
[05:19] <Xero> Opera is closed source.
[05:19] <hydrogen> which is the best browser currently existing
[05:19] <hydrogen> except for maybe dogg
[05:19] <Xero> Yucky yuck yuck.
[05:19] <hydrogen> so?
[05:19] <hydrogen> its still hands down the best option
[05:19] <Xero> Nasty.
[05:19] <hydrogen> outperforms anything out there
[05:19] <AmyRose> hydrogen: Opera
[05:19] <Xero> Opera could have a keylogger in it. Do you know? Nope. There's no source code.
[05:19] <hydrogen> so?
[05:19] <AmyRose> I normally use Konqueror myself
[05:20] <hydrogen> have you audited the firefox source code?
[05:20] <hydrogen> it could just as easily have a keylogger in it
[05:20] <Xero> hydrogen, I've looked at it a few times.
[05:20] <hydrogen> and no one would know
[05:20] <AmyRose> Have you checked secunia?
[05:20] <hydrogen> because its a gigantic web of mess
[05:20] <AmyRose> Opera and Konq are on top
[05:20] <hydrogen> that is absolutely unfollowable
[05:21] <Xero> I like my extensions, so eat my flaming interweb cookiez.
[05:21] <hydrogen> mm
[05:21] <AmyRose> Xero: But Firefox doesn't care about text shadows and MNG support, while Konqueror and Opera (9.5 a1) have support for those.
[05:21] <hydrogen> I bet you like your ram usage as well
[05:21] <Xero> Actually, yes.
[05:22] <Xero> I'm only using 393MB RAM on the whole system right now, running FF, Thunderbird, Kopete, Deluge, XChat, the entire GNOME desktop, and an update manager.
[05:22] <Xero> Once again, bite my flaming interweb cookies.
[05:22] <penguincentral> can anyone help me out with vncviewer 4.1.1 on gutsy?
[05:22] <AmyRose> Xero: But have you audited those extensions? Many of the popular ones have been known to be security risks (I know Greasemonkey has been outright dangerous, at least in the past)
[05:23] <AmyRose> penguincentral: What package are you using to provide it?
[05:23] <penguincentral> AmyRose: i think it's realvnc
[05:23] <penguincentral> it's the one that came with gutsy
[05:23] <Xero> AmyRose, I don't use Greasemonkey, and if something were malicious, it would probably say 'Windoze onlee nub! me need tu exployt a thingie!!!'
[05:23] <Jordan_U> penguincentral, Not updating?
[05:24] <AmyRose> penguincentral: What problem are you experiencing?
[05:24] <penguincentral> when i type in vncviewer <ip address>, i can't type anything into the text boxes provided for the password etc
[05:25] <penguincentral> when i was on feisty you would type the password into the terminal, but now it throws up a window that i can't even type in
[05:26] <penguincentral> what do you think AmyRose?
[05:26] <AmyRose> I'm not sure...
[05:26] <AmyRose> I know there are other VNC viewers available
[05:26] <penguincentral> ok, but for now, type vncviewer into the terminal.
[05:26] <AmyRose> penguincentral: I just thought of something. Are you keeping your mouse pointer on the text box in the window that pops up?
[05:27] <AmyRose> Otherwise it probably won't work if it's realvnc
[05:27] <penguincentral> yeah, but it does nothing
[05:27] <penguincentral> hold on
[05:27] <penguincentral> it works now
[05:27] <AmyRose> Goody
[05:27] <penguincentral> but very flaky
[05:28] <AmyRose> penguincentral: Funny, now *I* can't get it to work
[05:28] <penguincentral> heh
[05:29] <penguincentral> thanks AmyRose
[05:30] <Xero> Feisty>Gutsy update takes forever and a week.
[05:30] <penguincentral> Xero: try it on dial-up like speeds
[05:30] <Xero> penguincentral, how long is that? 2 days or more?
[05:30] <Xero> Mine's 3 hours and counting.
[05:30] <skinnypuppy1334> like drinking a pond through a straw
[05:30] <penguincentral> i did an update, about 40 MB yesterday, and it took about half a day
[05:31] <Xero> This update is a gig or so.
[05:31] <penguincentral> but this is because my broadband is shaped, next week i am back to normal
[05:31] <penguincentral> Xero, oh oh.  how fast is your connection?
[05:31] <Xero> I think it's 3mbit (comcast+Speedbooster)
[05:32] <penguincentral> Xero: I am on 17mbps Telstra Cable Extreme Broadband.  What is speedbooster?
[05:32] <Xero> penguincentral, I don't know.
[05:32] <Xero> How many kilobytes per second do you download, penguincentral, and I'll tell you if mine;s faster or slower.
[05:33] <Xero> I don't really keep track of my speeds.
[05:33] <Xero> It's usually around 700kilobytes per second, though.
[05:33] <penguincentral> do you mean when you are downloading a file, or the speedtest results?
[05:34] <penguincentral> because i posted my speedtest results on my blod
[05:34] <penguincentral> blog
[05:34] <Xero> penguincentral, when downloading.
[05:34] <penguincentral> oh, but anyway here are my speedtest results http://computeruser.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/this-small-time-blogger-has-broadband/
[05:34] <penguincentral> it depends on what i am using
[05:35] <penguincentral> uncapped downloading an flv from keepvid using wget 40kB/s
[05:35] <penguincentral> that's the only downloader that will download those files
[05:36] <Xero> penguincentral, my speedtest says I'm on a 20MBit
[05:36] <Xero> :) I are winnar for you.
[05:36] <penguincentral> i use DownThemAll for most other things, i get between 100kB/s to about 1000kB/s.  I think i reached 2 - 3 mB/s once
[05:36] <penguincentral> for everything else in between, it's 80 kB/s to about 300 kB/s
[05:36] <Xero> I've reached 4 megabytes per second on a premium downloads server (rapidshare premium).
[05:36] <penguincentral> it's pretty good, although i can only download 12GB per month
[05:37] <penguincentral> torrenting is about 20 - 100 kB/s, but on the ubuntu gutsy 7.10alpha5 torrent, it was bloody fast (i forget the speeds)
[05:37] <penguincentral> i use utorrent under wine
[05:38] <_dan_> lotsa upgrade packages today
[05:38] <Xero> http://xero-games.com/index1.php
[05:38] <_dan_> anyone any idea why -generic kernel wont let me adjust brightness on my laptop?
[05:38] <Xero> Advertisement for Speedtest on the bottom. Those are my speeds.
[05:38] <penguincentral> _dan_: good to hear from you again.  I have 90 updates which total to 121.9 MB, and this is off the main server ;)
[05:39] <_dan_> 155 packages for me, upgrading is at fullspeed as always
[05:39] <penguincentral> Xero: is that your website?
[05:39] <_dan_> more concernd about my brightness settings ;) so weird, 386 kernel does it perfectly, -generic doesnt, maybe i should fill  a bug report but i cant exclude me doing something wrong
[05:40] <Xero> penguincentral, yes.
[05:40] <Xero> It's for a middle school. Don't ask.
[05:40] <penguincentral> Xero: ok then.  do you pay for the domain name? do you run your own web server?
[05:40] <Xero> penguincentral, yes. Yes.
[05:41] <Xero> It's hosted at this house, on Apache2, Ubuntu 7.10
[05:41] <Xero> The domain name is $10/year from Godaddy.com
[05:41] <Xero> The whois isn't masked, sadly.
[05:41] <penguincentral> Xero: nice.  I have a dynamic ip address, which makes running my own web server very hard.
[05:41] <Xero> penguincentral, do this: get a dyndns and a domain.
[05:41] <_dan_> penguincentral get a dyndns then
[05:42] <Xero> Find out the IP of that dyndns and put the domain's A record to it.
[05:42] <Xero> Update the dyndns frequently.
[05:42] <penguincentral> Xero, _dan_: I will consider it, but I don't have a machine that i can keep running for a webserver, and my 12GB allowance also covers uploads
[05:43] <penguincentral> Xero, are you with godaddy?
[05:43] <Xero> penguincentral, yes.
[05:43] <penguincentral> yay for Whois!
[05:43] <Xero> I don't work for them, if that's what you mean.
[05:43] <penguincentral> not for work, but where ur domain is with
[05:44] <Xero> penguincentral, I think my address may be on that whois. Don't hitman me!!!
[05:44] <_dan_> penguincentral well 12g is a bummer, my provider disallowes me running servers anyway, u sure yours allows u that? i guess there are some free webhosters anyway and u should get some webspace from your provider normally
[05:44] <Xero> God. My F>G update takes sooooo
[05:44] <Xero> long
[05:44] <mbt> NearlyFreeSpeech, if you don't need much more than PHP and a database, is quite nice, and priced pretty right.  My site is with them.
[05:44] <Xero> Sorry for the enter pressing.
[05:45] <penguincentral> _dan_: the 12GB includes uploads.  I don't want to be speed capped every mont
[05:45] <penguincentral> month
[05:45] <_dan_> penguincentral yep, dont u have webspace from your provider?
[05:45] <Xero> penguincentral, I get unlimited up/down, but only so much in one second.
[05:45] <_dan_> mine gives me 20mb <- lol ;)
[05:45] <penguincentral> _dan_: nope
[05:46] <penguincentral> Xero: i don't think your address is there, and i don't do hitman stuff
[05:46] <Xero> I guess I have the premium 1337ness. 20mbit up/down, no limits.
[05:46] <penguincentral> i'm just a podcaster: http://penguincentral.co.nr
[05:46] <mbt> Anyone know if/when sun-java6-plugin will be available for 64-bit architectures?
[05:46] <Xero> Anyone want me to host Ubuntu ISOs on my site?
[05:47] <Xero> http://www.xero-games.com/gutsy.iso :)
[05:47] <AmyRose> Xero: Wouldn't you rather host Ubuntu ISOz instead of ISOs? :P
[05:47] <Xero> lol AmyRose.
[05:48] <penguincentral> Xero: your address is not on whois
[05:48] <Xero> Someone please download from that and tell me what speed you're getting.
[05:48] <penguincentral> but your full name is
[05:48] <Xero> penguincentral, good.
[05:49] <Xero> penguincentral, my middle name sucks.
[05:49] <penguincentral> no no Xero, just Ryan King
[05:49] <Xero> penguincentral, oh.
[05:49] <penguincentral> whoops
[05:49] <penguincentral> ;)
[05:49] <Xero> That's fine, though.
[05:49] <AmyRose> Xero: It just matches what your /whois says here
[05:49] <penguincentral> http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=xero-games&tld=com
[05:49] <penguincentral> if you are really interested
[05:50] <Xero> Sitelutions is free btw. I use it for my A and MX records.
[05:50] <Jordan_U> )
[05:50] <Jordan_U> :)
[05:50] <penguincentral> googles
[05:50] <Xero> You need a domain to use it.
[05:51] <Xero> penguincentral, do you want a subdomain of Xero Games?
[05:51] <Xero> I'll make you a 20GB partition and give you access to my large disk.
[05:52] <penguincentral> Xero: i will take it gladly
[05:52] <Xero> penguincentral, then give me a while to set it up and its yours for free.
[05:52] <Xero> Actually, you know what? I'll make it 250 GB instead of 20. I don't use that drive.
[05:52] <penguincentral> ok Xero
[05:53] <Xero> I'll give you an SSH account, write access to the large disk, and you can do whatever.
[05:54] <penguincentral> ok Xero, i sent you a private message
[06:04] <_dan_> anyone any idea why -generic kernel wont let me adjust laptop brightness while 386 lets me  (sony:laptop) module
[06:08] <_dan_> in my places men u i got 2 entries called "Desktop" how can i get rid of one?
[06:17] <Nicoletho> hello, i just installed a new user on my system, the only thing wrong is my windows partition shows on the desktop and i cannot unmount it. I dont want anyone to be able to see that partition so they dont delete any OS files
[06:25] <darwin81> I don't know if this is a stupid idea, but here goes. I was wondering if there was way I could put the Ubuntu CD on a USB Hard Drive and install it from there.
[06:28] <mbt> darwin81: There is a way to do that with Debian, as I understand it.  You should be able to folllow their directions and do the same thing with Ubuntu, I would think.  It would, as I recall, require an alternate install CD.
[06:28] <AmyRose> darwin81: I'm sure it's possible, but I wouldn't know how to do it
[06:30] <darwin81> It would be really cool if you could because I'm tired of burning CDs, losing them, and having to waste more
[06:30] <_dan_> you can order ubuntu cds for free
[06:30] <mbt> Actually, I think I remember seeing an option for that in expert mode.
[06:31] <_dan_> they take a while to come, but its free, really really nice
[06:33] <aliguori> if I had a patch I really wanted to make sure got applied to gfxboot by the time gutsy ga'd, is there someone (or a mailing list) i could ping?
[06:33] <aliguori> there's a bug entry that I just updated but being so close to release, I want to make sure it doesn't get lost in the noise
[06:36] <Hobbsee> aliguori: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sponsorship/SponsorsQueue
[06:37] <Hobbsee> also https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing
[06:37] <DanaG> Oh hey, who said they use cedega?
[06:38] <DanaG> I'm curious: how does Steam deal with CVSCedega?
[06:38] <DanaG> I'd be worried about it being detected as a cheat.
[06:38] <_dan_> where can i file a bug?
[06:38] <_dan_> !bug
[06:38] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[06:38] <DanaG> Oh, and OpenAL games with EAX... stupid Creative and their monopoly.
[06:38] <Hobbsee> DarkX: cdrw's are good
[06:39] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the computer sci / computer engineering computer labs at my college (Cal Poly) just got rid of Windows entirely, and now use solely Linux.
[06:40] <DanaG> It's Fedora 7.  :|
[06:40] <DanaG> They run windows apps, over RDP, in seamless mode, from a Win2k3 server.
[06:41] <aliguori> Hobbsee, thanks!  although that's a fair bit more complicated than I had hoped
[06:41] <DanaG> Oh yeah, for updates, I insist on seeing changelogs.
[06:44] <Hobbsee> aliguori: no problem.  if you need help, ask in #ubuntu-motu
[06:44] <Hobbsee> disclaimer:  unsure if there are many people there today, as it's a sunday
[06:44] <Hobbsee> aliguori: what bug #, out of interest?
[06:46] <aliguori> Hobbsee, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gfxboot/+bug/140713
[06:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140713 in gfxboot "Gutsy Tribe 5 (KVM GUEST) needs -no-kvm to install" [Medium,Triaged] 
[06:46] <aliguori> woah, nice :-)
[06:47] <Hobbsee> RAOF: ping
[06:48] <Hobbsee> oh, hmm, he's probably not here
[06:48] <DanaG> !apt-zeroconf
[06:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-zeroconf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:52] <DanaG> !bug 111145
[06:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Medium,Won't fix]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/111145
[06:52] <DanaG> I have the same issue in my M685.
[06:53] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I still seriously need a new hostname for my laptop.
[06:53] <DanaG> "m685" is reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally lame.
[06:53] <_dan_> how is your desktop called?
[06:54] <DanaG> I don't have a desktop now, actually.
[06:54] <DanaG> The only creative hostname I've thought of is "amaterasu" for a laptop that ran at 70 C idle and up to 87 C load.
[06:55] <DanaG> That's not this one, though.  That one was an Athlon XP-M 1400+ (1200MHz), but my current laptop is a Core Du0 1.83GHz, that runs 35 - 40 idle, and up to 63 or 67, full-load-both-cores.
[06:57] <scipio> how do you see the temp DanaG ?
[06:58] <DanaG> Oh, there's sensors-applet.
[06:58] <DanaG> That reads my ACPI temperature.
[06:58] <scipio> ah thanks :)
[06:58] <DanaG> Oh, and there's the hardware-monitor applet that reads my "coretemp" sensors, too.
[06:59] <DanaG> The oddest thing I see sometimes: ACPI temp jumps to 66 or 70 C and sticks there, and fans speed up.  The two core temperatures stay low, and go down as low as 30 due to the fans being on high.
[06:59] <DanaG> I have to reboot to fix the ACPI temperature.
[07:21] <masterloki> where can I get the restricted drivers for flash and videos
[07:35] <defcon> can someone assign this bug to gutsy or the correct place https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-i810/+bug/146728
[07:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146728 in xorg "[Gutsy Beta]  Dots on 16bit Video i810" [Undecided,New] 
[07:51] <defcon> my i810 xorg driver is bad in gutsy, i get dots all over videos, can I use feisty's driver?
[07:57] <CoasterMaster> is the beta relatively stable?
[08:00] <nIRV_> hey does tracker index openoffice write 2.x file format?
[08:03] <jp21> Hi.  I was told that I could find the ISO that has the option "use entire disk with lvm/encrypted" here:  https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/
[08:03] <jp21> There was a link to an iso the other day but it doesn't seem to be there anymore.
[08:04] <jp21> Does anyone know where I can find one that has "use entire disk with lvm/encrypted" options?
[08:09] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Pong!  I suppose that was about kvm?
[08:09] <Hobbsee> RAOF: yep
[08:10] <RAOF> Hobbsee: I'll look at the bug, but "kvm dies on boot for some things" is a known upstream bug.
[08:11] <Hobbsee> RAOF: i have no idea if the patch is sane
[08:11] <jp21> RAOF:  Did encryption on install make it into the beta?
[08:12] <jp21> RAOF:  The link you gave me the other day doesn't seem to work today.
[08:12] <RAOF> jp21: I'm typing this from a laptop with LVM-on-crypt, as set up by the beta disc.
[08:13] <jp21> sweet deal!
[08:14] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Oh, sweet lord.  It's been a while since I've done any assembly coding :)
[08:14] <Hobbsee> RAOF: :)
[08:19] <tich> does the switch from feisty to gutsy have many changes to bluetooth?
[08:19] <RAOF> Yes.
[08:19] <jp21> RAOF:  Is this the correct link for the installer that I should be testing:  http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/7.10/ubuntu-7.10-beta-alternate-i386.iso
[08:20] <jp21> For encryption on install that is.
[08:20] <jp21> I just want to make sure that I get the right one.
[08:20] <tich> RAOF, is there somewhere that details bluetooth setup for gutsy?
[08:22] <tich> i've searched the forums and google but can't find anything definitive.
[08:24] <ding_> Anyone try installing GG in vmware? I'm having trouble installing the vmware-tools. The vmhgfs module doesn't install....
[08:27] <tich> how would i check if i have modules loaded?
[08:27] <macogw> is intel wireless working properly in gutsy?
[08:27] <macogw> tich: lsmod
[08:27] <macogw> browsing the forums a bit ago it looked like intel wireless wasnt working on gutsy for a bit, so i'm wondering if it's fixed before i upgrade
[08:28] <tich> my wireless works great.  (and most of the documentation for thinkpads seems to confirm that)
[08:28] <macogw> is it intel wireless?
[08:29] <towlieban> have any of you installed the beta of kde 4 ?
[08:29] <macogw> i have ipw3945 and its always worked great, but i heard intel was changing the drivers and so i dont know how that's going
[08:30] <tich> yes it is intel.  actually thinkwiki says that it could be unstable but i haven't found it to be.
[08:30] <tich> maybe i am just lucky.
[08:30] <macogw> ok
[08:30] <macogw> i wonder if the sky2 driver has improved
[08:30] <tich> oh scratch that... i should have read further...
[08:31] <macogw> im going to get disconnected 20 times trying to download the upgrade since i'm using my wired connection
[08:31] <tich> it says with an update of wpa_supplicant it should be fine
[08:31] <macogw> i have the weirdest linux system ever.  rock solid wireless and flaky wired internet
[08:31] <unravel> i wish i had your problem, macogw
[08:32] <tich> yeah that does seem a bit backwards.  but kinda nice for travelling!
[08:32] <macogw> there's no wireless in my dorm though
[08:32] <tich> the grass is always greener.
[08:33] <macogw> well sky2 dies at high throughput
[08:33] <macogw> so if you try to download anything, the wired driver goes missing
[08:33] <macogw> have to rmmod and modprobe it to get internet going again
[08:33] <macogw> i was rebooting a few times a day to get the internet working again for about 6 months
[08:34] <macogw> hmm what other questions did i have before upgrading....
[08:34] <macogw> is compiz fusion in gutsy?
[08:34] <riotkittie> i need to find a wireless usb adapter that doesnt make me want to stab it.
[08:34] <macogw> tew424ub
[08:34] <riotkittie> no, its in the repos, tho, i think
[08:34] <macogw> by trendnet
[08:34] <macogw> whats the default desktop effects in gutsy?
[08:34] <macogw> er....pre-installed ones i guess, not exactly default
[08:34] <jp21> I wish Network Manager 0.7 was to go final before Gutsy goes final.
[08:35] <riotkittie> there's some minor compiz effects going on ... desktop wall's the only one i can remember
[08:36] <macogw> so its still old compiz?
[08:36] <macogw> ok
[08:36] <riotkittie> yep
[08:36] <macogw> the xserver-xorg-video-intel are now default instead of -i810 for intel systems, right?
[08:37] <macogw> and -intel doesnt need 915resolution to get proper resolutions?
[08:38] <tich> does anyone know if there is a linux/ubuntu bluetooth irc channel?
[08:38] <tich> bluez doesn't seem to have one.
[08:38] <smudge007> macogw, I have an i945 and didnt need 915resolution
[08:39] <macogw> awesome
[08:39] <macogw> ok i guess i can upgrade then
[08:39] <macogw> i cant think of anything else....
[08:39] <macogw> SD readers havent been broken again, have they?
[08:40] <DanaG> Oh wait, for the person with wired-ethernet troubles: ndiswrapper works for wired, too.
[08:40] <macogw> thats me
[08:40] <DanaG> Oh, and for wireless USB, there's Zydas.  But I haven't used it with wpa or wpa2.
[08:40] <macogw> whats funny is the windows driver used to have the same issue
[08:40] <macogw> the buffer was too low
[08:40] <macogw> trendnet's tew424ub uses the Zydas chipset
[08:40] <macogw> according to a mailing list post, it does work with wpa and wpa2
[08:41] <smudge007> macogw, sorry haven't tried the readers on mine (which is Sony memstick anyway)
[08:41] <macogw> sony ms isnt supported AFAIK
[08:41] <macogw> i just remember there being working-but-not-loaded drivers for texas instruments sd in edgy
[08:42] <macogw> then during feisty alphas they were broken, then working for a kernel, then broke again when someone put an old non-working version of the driver back in thinking he was upgrading because he didnt know someone else had already upgraded it beyond that version
[08:44] <DanaG> Oh, I think there IS some memorystick support.
[08:44] <DanaG> However, I can't test it -- I have none of those cards.
[08:47] <macogw> as of april there wasnt for Texas Instruments readers, though i do think the dev said that MS would be the next ones he worked on
[08:48] <macogw> eep just saw that there's a bug in intel sound on gutsy....i hope this works
[08:48] <masterloki> Media change: please insert the disc labeled
[08:48] <masterloki>  'Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Alpha i386 (20070823)'
[08:48] <masterloki> how can i work around this to get the install I need
[08:48] <macogw> take the cd entry out of your sources.list
[08:48] <masterloki> ok
[08:48] <macogw> umm.....the upgrade seems to have frozen
[08:48] <tich> i think i fixed my bluetooth problem. woohoo. yay.
[08:48] <macogw> lovely
[08:49] <macogw> it stopped on "modifying software channels"/"fetching file 47 of 90"
[08:49] <DanaG> I don't have working capture with my hda-intel.
[08:50] <tich> has anyone had a problem with the computer locking up if they run a fullscreen (3d) game?
[08:51] <macogw> ive never had a mic so i wouldnt know on that
[08:52] <tich> my microphone doesn't work.  it will send sound through the speakers but not to applications (like sound recorder or skype)
[08:56] <macogw> hmmm, fairly good download rates on the upgrade...therefore, likely to disconnect
[08:56] <macogw> as long as download speeds are slow, sky2 is ok
[08:58] <darrend> how do I disable NetworkManager permanently (so it doesn't start after a reboot at least)
[08:59] <macogw> system > pref > sessions
[09:00] <macogw> remove it from startup
[09:00] <macogw> darrend: ^
[09:00] <tich> macogw, you beat me to it ;-)
[09:00] <darrend> macogw: isn't that just the applet?  I want the service disabled too..
[09:01] <macogw> i think the applet starts the service, doesnt it?
[09:02] <darrend> don't think so.. the service is running before a gdm login
[09:02] <macogw> oh
[09:02] <macogw> i knew it kept running after logout but didnt think it started before
[09:02] <macogw> then id guess its in init
[09:03] <darrend> no, it's not (well, not in init.d anyway)
[09:03] <darrend> rebooting again now to check..
[09:04] <macogw> install bootchart.  if it happens during boot stuff, bootchart will show it
[09:05] <darrend> yes, it's definitely running before gdm loads after reboot
[09:05] <darrend> which is what I thought
[09:07] <chronographer> Hello anyone else have trouble downloading the msttcorefonts package?  My gutsy install times out when connecting to sourceforge...
[09:07] <chronographer> help please?
[09:17] <jp21> I remember reading somewhere that Broadcom chipsets will work out of the box on Gutsy.  Does anyone have any experience with this?
[09:17] <jp21> I'm hoping my WMP54GS will work out of the box :)
[09:19] <jp21> I guess I'll find out after I'm finished download the beta lol
[09:23] <chronographer> there seems to be noone else here!
[09:23] <chronographer> I have a belkin it worked out of the box
[09:24] <jp21> chronographer:  sweet deal!
[09:25] <chronographer> yep!  oh and my printer worked also. it was there when i first booted up thats amazing!
[09:26] <jp21> That's what I've heard.  Just plug and play!  Who'd have thunk it?  :)
[09:28] <chronographer> who'd a thunk
[09:28] <jp21> lol  forgive me.  I'm bad with sayings.
[09:29] <jp21> I really like that they've addressed some of the laptop issues as well.
[09:30] <jp21> Now hopefully I can use Ubuntu on the laptop without scalding myself
[09:30] <jp21> The fan/cooling control was terrible before.  The CPU would run at max and so would the fans.
[09:32] <chronographer> i see.  tried feisty on a friends laptop but his touchscreen didn't work, neither did the wireless card. When he next visits I will force gutsy on him, see what happens then!
[09:32] <jp21> You mean the touchpad?
[09:32] <jp21> Or did it actually have a touchscreen?
[09:34] <jp21> My friend at work love it on his laptop.  But he's kinda worried about the battery usage.  So maybe I'll re-install it for him.
[09:34] <jp21> Even though it took me many hours to get the thing configured just right.  hehe
[09:35] <jp21> He was a huge WinAmp fan
[09:35] <Lynoure> The Dynamic power profile heats this up way more now than before...
[09:35] <jp21> so when I loaded up xmms he was tickled.  lol
[09:35] <jp21> really?
[09:36] <chronographer> it has a touchscreen, like a tablet pc
[09:36] <jp21> ahhhh  I don't know if that'd work.
[09:36] <chronographer> they can, but this is a cheep no brand lappy which uses wierd parts, nobody else has one in the forums
[09:37] <jp21> interesting.
[09:39] <jp21> Lynoure:  is the system you've mentioned giving off more heat an upgrade or fresh install to Gutsy Beta?
[09:40] <Lynoure> jp21: upgrade
[09:41] <Lynoure> jp21: I always go for upgrade first, as I think that's more interesting to test...
[09:43] <Lynoure> jp21: it's basicly fan level 1 vs fan level 2 and 69 Celcius vs. 59 Celcius before.
[09:43] <Lynoure> Basicly, from processor heatwise, Dynamic, even when I'm not doing more than SSHing out, seems same as Performance, both pushing the system a lot.
[09:44] <jp21> hrmmmm
[09:44] <jp21> that kinda sucks
[09:45] <Lynoure> Where can one configure default action for closing the lid, nowadays?
[09:46] <Lynoure> (in kubuntu, that is)
[09:46] <jp21> I'm still installing the beta.  Otherwise I'd try and find it.
[09:46] <Lynoure> ok, good luck :)
[09:48] <nurettin> hello
[09:48] <nurettin> i cant remove postfix
[09:48] <jp21> I guess a lot of other people are too.  The download speed is terrible.  (150KB/sec)
[09:48] <nurettin> it say apt-get -f install
[09:49] <jscinoz> Hey guys, is there a simple way to create a dummy package for fiesty apps that want an old version of a particular library?
[09:49] <jp21> wouldn't you need to resolve the dependency?
[09:50] <nurettin> how resolve
[09:50] <nurettin> ?
[09:51] <Hobbsee> nurettin: then do apt-get -f install, like it tells you
[09:51] <nurettin>  scalemail depends on postfix (>= 0.0.20010329.SNAPSHOT).
[09:51] <nurettin> i want remove scalemail but is it error
[09:52] <Hobbsee> remove postfix too then, if you insist.
[09:52] <nurettin>  scalemail
[09:52] <nurettin> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[09:53] <Hobbsee> nurettin: if scalemail depends on postfix, then you dont have to remove postfix.  you'r ethinking backwards
[09:53] <Hobbsee> and the error is higher than that, your 1 line is useless.
[09:53] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: Any recommendations where I should file a bug where PowerManager seems to treat Dynamic and Performance identically? Or where I can configure the stuff that used to be configurable under klaptop?
[09:54] <Hobbsee> Lynoure:
[09:54] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ dpkg -S guidance-power-manager
[09:54] <Hobbsee> kde-guidance-powermanager: /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance-powermanager/guidance-power-manager.py
[09:54] <Hobbsee> kde-guidance-powermanager: /usr/bin/guidance-power-manager
[09:54] <Hobbsee> kde-guidance-powermanager: /usr/share/autostart/guidance-power-manager.desktop
[09:54] <nurettin> what command must write ? sudo apt-get remove ????
[09:54] <Hobbsee> nurettin: why *are* you running gutsy?
[09:55] <nurettin> because
[09:55] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: thanks.
[09:55] <nurettin> my laptop sd mmc card reader not running 7.04
[09:55] <nurettin> but in 7.10 running
[09:56] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: as for a more configurable version, i assume you've clicked on the icon, and found those settings.  for more control, use kpowersave
[09:56] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: (there are plans to combine them for kde4, or something, iirc)
[09:56] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: I clicked on the icon, found no settings other than choosing the current profile.
[09:56] <nurettin> why ask to me of using version ?
[09:57] <Hobbsee> nurettin: because you dont seem to know much about dependancies at all, and gutsy still breaks.
[09:57] <nurettin> what is thinking backwards ?
[09:57] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: previously I could change some settings, like default profiles for battery use, and so on, I think
[09:57] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: was that g-p-m, kpowersave, or klaptopdaemon?
[09:58] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: oh, left click, not right click?
[09:58] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: ooh. thanks.
[09:58] <nurettin> Hobbsee: which command resolve my problem remove postfix and dependacies ?
[09:59] <Hobbsee> nurettin: i have no idea, you didnt tell me enough information as to why scalemail broke.  you just said that it did.  i dont think you actually want to remove postfix.
[10:00] <nurettin> Hobbsee: how can i show you information ?
[10:00] <nurettin> Hobbsee: chown: cannot access `/var/run/scalemail': No such file or director
[10:02] <jscinoz> oh wow my system is going crazy with errors atm.
[10:02] <jscinoz> root and home partition completely full, time to nuke vista partition :D
[10:05] <Lynoure> What's the expected CPU usage of strigidaemon?
[10:05] <nurettin> Hobbsee: excuse me i resolved
[10:05] <nurettin> scale mail reinstall package
[10:05] <Lynoure> Because indeed, there is more load, mostly because strigidaemon is taking 97% of the CPU
[10:05] <nurettin> and remove package my problem resolved
[10:06] <Lynoure> and this is while it shows "idling" as it's status
[10:31] <mendred> hi how can i associate the quick launcher applet's open with file manager option with dolphin? By default it opens konqueror
[10:35] <cdm10> I really disagree with the decision to have effects enabled by default.
[10:35] <cdm10> My card is detected as supporting effects, but there's a "black window bug" which means that when effects are enabled, every so often, every new window shows up black.
[10:35] <cdm10> An inexperienced user might not know what to disable to fix it.
[10:35] <_dan_> cdm10 install nvidia-glx-new
[10:35] <_dan_> and the bug goes away
[10:35] <cdm10> _dan_: No, it doesn't, I've been through this.
[10:36] <_dan_> ok that suckz then :/
[10:36] <_dan_> need help with disabling it?
[10:36] <cdm10> _dan_: No, I know what I'm doing. It's just that inexperienced users don't.
[10:36] <_dan_> or do u just say defaulting it is bad?
[10:36] <cdm10> _dan_: I'm just saying that defaulting it is bad.
[10:36] <_dan_> ok, i agree with that btw ;)
[10:37] <cdm10> ha
[10:37] <cdm10> ok
[10:37] <cdm10> I'm done ranting for today, I've yelled at my computer enough
[10:37] <cdm10> bye
[10:37] <_dan_> lol
[10:58] <pasnox> hi there since i'm on gusty ( it does some sometimes with feisty ) when i let my computer on in night, in the morning all usb device are unusable, and internet connectino is broke ( using usb wifi key ) and computer become very irresponsive
[10:58] <pasnox>  i need reboot to let it work fine
[10:58] <pasnox>  and when rebooting because if this probleme many time it freeze
[11:00] <fulat2k> hi folks, is there a way to use the cd's cdromupgrade w/o X?  i did a network upgrade on my kubuntu feisty but it failed.  now x doesn't start.
[11:01] <asisak> fulat2k: I guess you can dist-upgrade if the CD repository has been added to your /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:01] <pasnox> nobody know this problem ?
[11:02] <pasnox> here is a log of messages file : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39126/
[11:02] <hetauma> hi! I installed gutsy worked fine but when I booted windows again a program I had fixed MBR so I don't have now grub? how can I boot my installation of gutsy and fix grub? Now I'm working from gutsy's live cd
[11:03] <hetauma> !grub
[11:03] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[11:06] <fulat2k> asisak: hmm... ok.  lemme try that.  x doesn't work, but network and the rest of the system is still there.
[11:07] <asisak> fulat2k: let me know if you need further help
[11:11] <fulat2k> asisak: thx for the offer.  added cdrom in sources.  now doing and update.
[11:12] <asisak> fulat2k: cool :)
[11:12] <_dan_> servers for u guys so slow too?
[11:13] <asisak> _dan_: which servers? :)
[11:13] <asisak> _dan_: you should probably use a faster one...
[11:13] <_dan_> ubuntu
[11:13] <asisak> _dan_: you mean the ubuntu package mirror?
[11:13] <_dan_> yes
[11:14] <_dan_> exactly :)
[11:14] <asisak> _dan_: then you can switch to another mirror.
[11:14] <_dan_> i usually get full speed, but now its 80kb
[11:14] <fulat2k> asisak: ahh.. something i've never seen on an ubuntu system: python dependency :P
[11:14] <asisak> _dan_: Waiting... can also solve this, of course.
[11:15] <_dan_> yeah i will go with the waiting since i dont want to switch to a serveroutside my country
[11:15] <DanaG> Oh, you can look for other mirrors.
[11:15] <kurros> Software Sources app, Download From -V- Other, and click [Select Best Server] 
[11:15] <_dan_> allthough it traces outside my country anyway which is weird but hmm
[11:15] <DanaG> Google for "Ubuntu mirrors"
[11:15] <kurros> does a speed test
[11:16] <_dan_> yeah thx i know that
[11:16] <DanaG> Oh, and then look for ones at places like colleges.
[11:16] <DanaG> For example, in USA, I use mirrors.kernel.org.
[11:17] <_dan_> i got at.archive.ubuntu.com in my sources list
[11:17] <_dan_> weird is, its not in .at
[11:17] <Windkracht8> Good day, the special effects in gutsy, what program is that/where can I report a bug, I've got a bug to report
[11:17] <fulat2k> asisak: apt-get -f install managed to solve the problem.  now continuing with apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:18] <asisak> fulat2k: yeah, a (hopefully limited) sequence of "apt-get install -f " && "apt-get dist-upgrade" usually solves the upgrade problem.
[11:24] <DanaG> !aptitude
[11:24] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[11:24] <Almindor> did nvidia [9xxx driver]  / Xorg just break?
[11:25] <Almindor> I updated since yesterday and am now getting error on loading kernel module on X start (modprobe nvidia works fine tho)
[11:25] <pasnox> hi there since i'm on gusty ( it does some sometimes with feisty ) when i let my computer on in night, in the morning all usb device are unusable, and internet connectino is broke ( using usb wifi key ) and computer become very irresponsive http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39126/
[11:25] <fulat2k> asisak: hope this works.  it's strange that apt-get is fetching the packages from the mirror instead of using those in the cd.
[11:28] <asisak> fulat2k: it chooses the source in order of the list.
[11:28] <asisak> IIRC
[11:28] <DanaG> wtf?  Version 0.5.9.1-1ubuntu9:   * debian/patches/64_read_brightness_not_actual_brightness.patch: Read the brightness from /sys/class/backlight/foo/brightness, not actual_brightness. It makes more sense to change based on the brightness that we wanted to set, not the brightness that we actually set.
[11:29] <DanaG> Doesn't make sense to me.... that'll break my brightness changing.
[11:41] <redheat> hi everyne
[11:41] <rexy_> heya redheat
[11:41] <redheat> I'm installing the nvidia drivers distributed by Nvidia right now, and I have a question regarding an error that just popped out of nowhere telling me that
[11:42] <DanaG> /etc/default/linux-restricted-modules
[11:42] <redheat> I don't have the library C development package and they're asking me to install it
[11:42] <redheat> hi rexy
[11:42] <DanaG> disable nvidia nvidia_new nv
[11:42] <redheat> how do I install the Development C package?
[11:42] <redheat> library development package
[11:43] <DanaG> build-essential is the easiest thing, I think.
[11:43] <redheat> DanaG, were you answering my question?
[11:43] <rexy_> you can also search in aptitude for specific packages
[11:43] <redheat> sorry didn't read that
[11:44] <redheat> rexy, DanaG, are you both answering my question, or someone else's ?
[11:44] <DanaG> I was answering yours, in 2 parts.
[11:44] <DanaG> Oh yeah, the repos have 100.14.11 in them now, as nvidia-glx-new.
[11:45] <DanaG> Why use the nvidia.com package?
[11:45] <rexy_> whats new about them?
[11:45] <redheat> its better and I can access features like Anti Aliasing..
[11:45] <DanaG> What version?
[11:45] <redheat> 100.14.19
[11:46] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I mis-typed.
[11:46] <DanaG> Those are in the repos now.
[11:46] <DanaG> Sorry for confusing you.
[11:46] <DanaG> !info nvidia-glx-new
[11:46] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 100.14.19+2.6.22.4-12.4 (gutsy), package size 4896 kB, installed size 14848 kB
[11:46] <DanaG> Hmm, time to put my laptop to sleep, and me too.
[11:48] <redheat> DanaG, you mean 100.14.19 is already included with the new Nvidia driver offered by Ubuntu as part of Gutsy Gibbon?
[11:49] <redheat> but still can't get access to the other features like Antia Aliasing..in other words the settings manager for my Nvidia driver?
[11:49] <redheat> also one more question?
[11:49] <redheat> whatever happened to the beautiful and awesome Beryl?
[11:49] <redheat> this whole new compizfusion should be named compizconfusion
[11:50] <redheat> gotta go guys..
[11:50] <redheat> thank you all for your help
[11:50] <redheat> take care and have a nice day or night
[11:50] <redheat> :)
[11:51] <Rudd-O> guys
[11:51] <Rudd-O> need help
[11:51] <Rudd-O> seems gutsy has a bug and it-s preventing my system from starting up
[11:51] <Rudd-O> i-m using a livecd as a stopgap measure
[11:51] <Rudd-O> someone here with experience in initramfs_
[11:51] <Rudd-O> ?
[11:52] <Rudd-O> please help!
[11:52] <Rudd-O> my system wont start up, it starts the MD arrays underlying the LVM root volume, but it never gets around to starting the LVM volumes!
[11:59] <savvas> does anyone know of any sound equalizer for gnome/kde?
[12:01] <jussi01> is there a kubuntu 7.10 beta DVD?
[12:09] <rexy_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/
[12:09] <savvas> jussi01: what rexy_ pointed
[12:15] <Zoiks> so.. I think gutsy and I have managed to stuff up access to one of my hard drives. Who wants to be my hero and help me :)
[12:21] <rexy_> Zoiks: can you access the disk from the livecd?
[12:22] <Zoiks> no
[12:22] <Zoiks> http://pastebin.com/m61a866e
[12:23] <Zoiks> im getting that
[12:23] <minimec> Hi folks. Can you confirm some problems with the update-manager? I try to fire up an update for an hour now...
[12:24] <rexy_> does dmesg give lots of read errors?
[12:27] <Zoiks> yes
[12:29] <rexy_> can you paste them?
[12:29] <rexy_> i'd venture a guess and say the disk is trashed then
[12:31] <Zoiks> http://pastebin.com/m47f0dc1f
[12:32] <finalbeta> every upgrade I've done in gutsy I tried the visual effects settings. every time it has a whole new way of crashing on me. Yet this time, it only freezes up. and the warning dialog ok button doesn't work.
[12:33] <rexy_> zoiks did you check the disk for bad blocks?
[12:35] <enyc>  I have had many bad disks... or new disks with grown defects that need mapping out before use
[12:35] <Zoiks> thats what fsck does yes?
[12:35] <enyc> Zoiks: no
[12:35] <enyc> Zoiks: that only checks structure
[12:35] <enyc> Zoiks: "badblocks" checks every sector
[12:36] <rexy_> well you can force a disk into normal use by mapping out the badblocks yes
[12:36] <rexy_> but it's not a very good idea
[12:36] <tich> does anyone use liferea?  mine broke after the last update.  does anyone else have this problem
[12:36] <tich> ?
[12:36] <enyc> I like to do a 'badblocks -wvs /dev/sda' or similar on new or re-using disks from KNOPPIX etc... -- this DESTOYS all data tho
[12:36] <enyc> rexy_: erm... the hard disk does this itself
[12:36] <enyc> rexy_: but you need to poke it sometimes with badblocks to make its errors disapperar
[12:36] <enyc> rexy_: they are not 'mapped out' in the filesystem
[12:37] <enyc> rexy_: the hard disk itself swaps out at sector-level once given a few read/write passes
[12:37] <rexy_> i know disk manage bad blocks themselves, never heard about badblocks interfacing with that though
[12:37] <enyc> rexy_: badblocks is a way to cause it to happen
[12:37] <rexy_> ah like that
[12:37] <enyc> rexy_: the act of reading and then writing every sector....
[12:38] <enyc> rexy_: also shows you if there are any 'lasting' problems afterwards
[12:38] <rexy_> but most likely if you see bad blocks appear that means the disk already allocated all bad blocks that it could
[12:38] <enyc> rexy_: well... if you dont read the disk often enough
[12:38] <enyc> rexy_: a sector can "grow" too too bad-a-defect
[12:39] <rexy_> bad-a-defect?
[12:39] <Lynoure> finalbeta: I haven't yet even figured out how to enable them in kubuntu...
[12:39] <enyc> rexy_: i.e. too-bad -- it cant read it via ECC at all
[12:40] <rexy_> isee. is there a way to trigger the badblock detection on the disk via badblocks without actually writing?
[12:40] <tich> what do folks use for rss feeds?
[12:40] <rexy_> google
[12:40] <enyc> rexy_: well... you can firstly do a "badblocks -vs" without "w" which is readonly
[12:40] <Lynoure> tich: akregator
[12:40] <enyc> rexy_: but drives may not swap-out until you actually write to sectors, apparently
[12:40] <finalbeta> Lynoure: oh, I can't enable it on this PC. the ati card doesn't support it. I would just like to open the dialog once without it stalling or crashing. The real bugs only start if you can actually start it. Why they enable this is beyond me. Makes me lose faith.
[12:40] <rexy_> i used liferea for awhle but it's very slow
[12:40] <hylje> akrekator
[12:41] <tich> Lynoure, do you use kubuntu?
[12:41] <Lynoure> tich: yes.
[12:41] <tich> ah.
[12:41] <enyc> rexy_: so -- assuming no filesystems/swaps are mounted... you can use 'badblocks -nvs' or spinrite/similar  which temporaraially replaces the data in each sector then puts it back... but could be bad if the process 'crashes'
[12:41] <Lynoure> tich: but you can install kde programs even if you use gnome...
[12:41] <tich> it works fine after today's updates i assume.
[12:41] <rexy_> enyc well should be alright as long as you're not running off a bad disk right
[12:42] <rexy_> but yeah it's risky and takes longer too
[12:42] <enyc> rexy_: well any disk grows defects.. its normal
[12:42] <tich> yeah i know... but it always installs a bunch of stuff and never quite looks right.
[12:42] <rexy_> true i suppose
[12:42] <enyc> rexy_: good raid controllers do read-passes at least, checking all the checksums
[12:42] <enyc> rexy_: they keep checksums of data its stored and compare and stuff
[12:43] <enyc> rexy_: and probably rewrite sectors if suspect bother
[12:43] <rexy_> i'd assume so
[12:43] <enyc> rexy_: and declare drives 'dead' if they are not able to sort themselves out
[12:44] <rexy_> bit overkill for the average computer heh
[12:44] <enyc> rexy_: ;-)  but worth keeping backups still
[12:45] <rexy_> i keep backups of my backups :|
[12:45] <rexy_> then again, whats good for long term storage
[12:45] <rexy_> cd's/dvd's tend to die rather quick
[12:46] <Lynoure> rexy_: how long term?
[12:46] <enyc> rexy_: grown defects are a reason that you can have weird problem  magically fixed by reinstall-OS
[12:46] <rexy_> say 3 year plus, but i'm still looking for something that will store for a decade
[12:46] <Lynoure> rexy_: hard disks kept unplugged and in stable temperate work well... and magnetic tapes are not bad either.
[12:47] <enyc> rexy_: the 'reinstall' on new filesystem means that any 'new' data will have been written, and this causes drive to remap ?? something like that
[12:48] <rexy_> enyc:  that makes sense yeah
[12:49] <rexy_> Lynoure: how accurate is that, did anyone try/test that?
[12:50] <rexy_> i'd expect for such long periods demagnitizing to some degree would occur?
[12:50] <Lynoure> rexy_: You can google for the results, I don't remember names/references like that
[12:51] <Zoiks> if i just run badblocks /dev/sdc1
[12:51] <Zoiks> what would it do
[12:51] <Zoiks> just check it
[12:51] <Zoiks> ?
[12:52] <rexy_> well with the proper flags yes
[12:52] <rexy_> do you have important data on sdc?
[12:52] <Zoiks> well thats whats running atm
[12:52] <Zoiks> and sdc is my backup drive
[12:52] <Zoiks> im guessing i just did the wrong thing
[12:53] <rexy_> no what enyc said makes perfect senes
[12:53] <rexy_> *sense
[12:53] <rexy_> can you still boot another os and access your backup partition?
[12:53] <Zoiks> i just typed badblocks /dev/sdc1 into console
[12:53] <Zoiks> well it was working before in windows
[12:54] <jonathan_> is there any news again? at ubuntu 7.10 beta?
[12:54] <jonathan_> anything new?
[12:54] <rexy_> you might want to make sure you have a backup of that backup on aother disk
[12:54] <Zoiks> but it would be too late now if i have already started it?
[12:55] <Zoiks> or would it be safe to cancel the process and drop back into windows?
[12:55] <rexy_> i dont know what badblocks does in default mode
[12:55] <joakim-> i've got a problem that's so weird i barely know where to start... i had the same problem in feisty, on the live cd, in gutsy a few days after installing that and now on a completely clean installed gutsy as well.  the desktop background just disappears and nautilus cant be started unless i start it as root. when i go into gconf-editor and untick draw the background, and then tick it again, the background comes back. but i still cant double
[12:55] <joakim-> click. ive tried removing  .gnome/2 .nautilus and what not and then loggin in again when it briefly works but immediately comes back again. its starting to get a little annoying this! anyone know what this can be caused by?
[12:56] <joakim-> the last clean install i did, gutsy is not even touching an hdd that wasnt formatted poperly
[12:56] <joakim-> no extra changes made, just used the clean install
[12:57] <joakim-> im about to rip out everything in my computer, but it doesnt really make sense to me as its the same fault every single time
[12:57] <Zoiks> ok... well im just going to leave it
[12:57] <Zoiks> ill come back later and report
[12:57] <Zoiks> thanks for the help guys
[01:00] <joakim-> theres one session of nautilus automatically starting at login, but i cant kill that process
[01:01] <joakim-> i dont get any error msg what so ever, not even when starting nautilus again
[01:02] <rexy_> it's used
[01:03] <rexy_> you want it
[01:03] <rexy_> i forgot why
[01:07] <_dan_> soooo
[01:07] <_dan_> since gutsy runs fine on laptop, time to upgrade desktop
[01:07] <_dan_> wish me luck
[01:07] <enyc> _dan_: hehehe ive been okap with upgrade, not with previous install disk
[01:07] <enyc> _dan_: so you will probably be fine ;-)  good luck ;-)
[01:08] <_dan_> only thing that bothers me is that my icon theme isnt working 100% on laptop
[01:08] <joakim-> no one has any ideas what it could be?
[01:11] <enyc> joakim-: thats weird
[01:11] <joakim-> mhm..
[01:11] <enyc> joakim-: are you getting kernel errors or similar?
[01:12] <joakim-> ive checked kern.log and as far as i can se, no
[01:12] <enyc> joakim-: i have a machine thats been upgraded from hoary5.04-breezy5.10-dapper6.06-edgy6.10-feisty7.04 .. still works
[01:12] <joakim-> dont really know what to look for
[01:12] <enyc> joakim-: lookn in "dmesg"
[01:12] <joakim-> but theres no red flashing errors :=
[01:12] <enyc> joakim-: i.e. run "dmesg"
[01:13] <joakim-> yah thats the same as in system log and kern.log
[01:13] <joakim-> hmm.. "[  127.275980]  kernel BUG at /build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/fs/ext3/namei.c:383!"
[01:14] <joakim-> found that now
[01:14] <enyc> joakim-: aah hrrm
[01:14] <enyc> joakim-: thats not good ;-)
[01:14] <enyc> joakim-: that could cause weird process crashes ;-)
[01:15] <joakim-> i guess.. thing is nautilus dont crash tho
[01:15] <enyc> joakim-: are there other errors?  like... unable to read disk  readby
[01:15] <joakim-> its just.. not working
[01:15] <joakim-> and feisty was using 2.6.20 too, dunno if it was the same there..
[01:16] <enyc> joakim-: do you have a fs over 2tb or other such possible unusual config snags?
[01:16] <joakim-> got two 250gb drives
[01:16] <joakim-> one external but ive made sure to plug that one out
[01:17] <enyc> kk fine
[01:17] <joakim-> [   52.423935]  Failure registering capabilities with primary security module.
[01:17] <joakim-> that one too..
[01:17] <joakim-> have no idea what it means tho :)
[01:17] <enyc> joakim-: maybe this is a problem with the apparmor ?
[01:17] <enyc> joakim-: maybe you should pastebin the dmesg?
[01:18] <joakim-> sure
[01:18] <joakim-> apparmor wasnt installed in feisty tho
[01:18] <enyc> fine
[01:18] <enyc> but something about your system creates errors
[01:19] <joakim-> of course
[01:19] <enyc> i would be upgrading the bios/kernel/firmware, make sure memtest86+ and badblocks hdd works, and doing a "default install" and seeing if it still fails myself
[01:19] <joakim-> http://pastebin.com/m354d4916
[01:19] <enyc> ive had some really weird problems with hard-disk-access magically fixed by bios upgrade for example
[01:20] <joakim-> yeah
[01:20] <joakim-> what i dont get is that it seems to be the exact same fault every single time
[01:20] <joakim-> at least the same symptom
[01:21] <joakim-> but then of course a computer can cough so to speak and his little toe hurts, not the throat, so..
[01:21] <enyc> joakim-: dont understand abotu toe/throat/cough
[01:21] <joakim-> ah nm
[01:21] <joakim-> works with customers who dont know shit about computers
[01:22] <joakim-> (on why a troubleshoot is needed)
[01:23] <enyc> #
[01:23] <joakim-> i think im gonna update bios and run thorough diags on the hdd's though
[01:23] <enyc> Assertion failure in dx_probe() at /build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/fs/ext3/namei.c:383:
[01:23] <enyc> erk
[01:23] <enyc> I would run memtest86+ for a while
[01:23] <enyc> and then upgrade bios
[01:24] <enyc> and then i would boot knoppix or equivalent live and 'badblocks -wvs' and hard disk device you do not mind DESTROY ALL DATA on
[01:24] <enyc> and then see if it all works
[01:24] <enyc> the invalid_opcode is really bad sign
[01:27] <savvas> do you know any program that improves the sound output? like srs wow for windows?
[01:27] <joakim-> alright
[01:27] <joakim-> thanks for the help
[01:36] <dan___> oki upgraded, problem is cryptsetup segfaults for me now
[01:39] <afief> Compiz seems to be turned off on my system by default, how can i enable it?
[01:39] <acuster> Hey all, is there a way to boot from the cd kernel but mounting the install partition?
[01:40] <acuster> ah, maybe with the root parameter
[01:43] <sirrus> Hi, does anyone how things are in gutsy with rt2500, especially when it comes to using WPA? When I tried the gutsy beta ISO it didn't work.
[01:44] <dan___> cryptsetup keeps failing after gutsy upgrade as normal user
[01:44] <penguin42> dan___: What error?
[01:44] <dan___> segfaults
[01:44] <penguin42> oops
[01:45] <dan___> automount doenst work eitehr but i guess i need to reconf pam
[01:45] <penguin42> dan___: I only use it as root, and it's OK there
[01:46] <penguin42> reconf pam for automount? Why? Don't you just set up nsswitch.conf?
[01:46] <dan___> yeah works as root, but since i had it autmount with gdm login i am not sure weather its only useable as root anymore
[01:46] <dan___> i decrypt my data drive with same apssword i use for gdm, so gdm+pam makes it for me, anyway
[01:47] <dan___> where does pidgin save my userdata
[01:47] <dan___> its not in .pidgin as it should be
[01:49] <afief> dan___, .purple
[01:49] <dan___> oh
[01:49] <dan___> thx
[01:49] <afief> dan___, pidgin itself saves no data, it's libpurple that does
[01:51] <dan___> oki, one prob solved, one to go
[01:52] <penguin42> dan___: Oh I see, that's a pretty neat pam trick
[01:52] <dan___> yeah but i overrote something
[01:55] <savvas> dan___ 's right, it should be .pidgin :P
[01:55] <savvas> or at least have it linked
[01:55] <dan___> why does my pc speaker beep when i del stuff
[01:56] <dan___> so lets google the pam thing
[01:56] <dan___> brb
[01:59] <_dan_> gutsy play some weird sound every few minutes
[01:59] <_dan_> allthough i disabled system sounds
[02:00] <ratpoison> hello! gutsy amd64 user, encountering problems with oofice base, draw and impress e.g. http://pastebin.com/m3ea03212
[02:03] <szf> my last two boots have unsuccessfully loaded gnome-panel - anyone else see this recently?
[02:04] <jxxxt> mine did this also
[02:05] <hype_> seems ok for me now
[02:05] <hype_> did you update && upgrade?
[02:06] <savvas> szf: killall gnome-panel
[02:07] <savvas> press alf-F2
[02:09] <szf> yes, killall gnome-panel will resolve it, but is it a reportable bug?
[02:09] <szf> ...or did something in gconf get wacked?
[02:10] <savvas> probably, no idea :) doesn't hurt to report hehe
[02:12] <szf> it does hurt but then i get another "status:unconfirmed" email - forever
[02:12] <szf> ;-)
[02:13] <savvas> ratpoison: does the same here, it looks like it gets stuck on oqstart
[02:14] <savvas> szf: that doesn't mean it's not reviewed
[02:14] <Xero> Feisty>Gutsy update takes soooooooooooooo long.
[02:14] <ratpoison> savvas: are you referring to my open office problem? Has that bug been reported?
[02:14] <savvas> no one forces you to do it Xero :p
[02:15] <Xero> savvas, I force me to do it.
[02:15] <Xero> Compared to Gutsy, Feisty sucks.
[02:15] <savvas> ratpoison: yeah, but I don't know about bug reporting, I rarely use openoffice these days, I just noticed it :)
[02:15] <IdleOne> Xero: why is that?
[02:16] <ubuntu_> umm
[02:16] <Xero> Gutsy has newer software and more up to date security.
[02:16] <IdleOne> Xero: ok makes sense
[02:16] <Xero> Hooray simple answers!
[02:17] <rexy_> feisty has security backports too dont it?
[02:17] <ubuntu_> i installed ubuntu and now i cant run my comp im lucky enough to have the live cd
[02:17] <Xero> Yes, but that's a hassle.
[02:17] <rexy_> off course gutsy has some extra  features i guess
[02:17] <rexy_> heu installing security updates is pretty much automated
[02:17] <rexy_> however things like apparmor are nice
[02:17] <Xero> Backports isn't.
[02:17] <ubuntu_> i installed ubuntu and now i cant run my comp im lucky enough to have the live cd
[02:17] <IdleOne> ubuntu_: any errors?
[02:17] <rexy_> backports arent securety updates
[02:17] <ubuntu_> no
[02:17] <Xero> You have to enable another repo, which, although not hard, is a hassle.
[02:18] <IdleOne> ubuntu_: just doesnt boot? what . describe symptoms please
[02:18] <ubuntu_> execpt grub 15 and 17
[02:18] <Xero> ubuntu_, did you burn the CD at a fast speed?
[02:18] <ubuntu_> it trys to boot and gives me the errors grub 17 and 15
[02:18] <_dan_> soooo pam problem half solved, need to make it use gdm pass
[02:19] <ubuntu_> no i didnt
[02:19] <_dan_> how can i disable my annoying pc speaker?
[02:19] <savvas> _dan_: system > pref > sound
[02:19] <Xero> ubuntu_, what speed was it burnt at? I don't see why GRUB would complain of an error 15.
[02:19] <IdleOne> _dan_: get a pen and poke a tiny little hole in it :)
[02:19] <ubuntu_> it was 16x
[02:19] <Xero> If I remember, that means it can't find /boot/menu.lst
[02:19] <IdleOne> ubuntu_: burn at 4x
[02:19] <ubuntu_> i cant run the computer tho
[02:19] <IdleOne> nice and slow
[02:20] <_dan_> sacater its not enabled there, thats y i ask :/
[02:20] <IdleOne> you can use livecd to download and burn
[02:20] <Xero> IdleOne, he can't start the box.
[02:20] <ubuntu_> kk
[02:20] <IdleOne> ummm
[02:20] <IdleOne> maybe not
[02:20] <Xero> Well, he can't start Windows.
[02:20] <ubuntu_> yes i cant start the box both drives are now corrupt
[02:20] <savvas> ouch
[02:21] <ubuntu_> ya
[02:21] <ubuntu_> i just got a hd for ubuntu specific and installed and tryed to boot and blammo
[02:21] <ubuntu_> here i am
[02:21] <Xero> Your Windows may not be corrupt.
[02:21] <Xero> Try using the Windows install cd's recovery console.
[02:22] <Xero> fixboot and fixmbr are useful here.
[02:22] <ubuntu_> how would i boot in tht i keeps giving me grub 15 and 17
[02:22] <IdleOne> windows is not corupted just need to fixmbr
[02:22] <IdleOne> !fixgrub
[02:22] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:22] <ubuntu_> but i have stufgf on it i really need
[02:22] <Xero> ubuntu_, it won't delete anything.
[02:22] <Xero> Use the install CD's recovery console
[02:22] <ubuntu_> formatting windows deletes everything dun it?
[02:23] <savvas> ubuntu_: you won't format
[02:23] <Xero> It is not formatting.
[02:23] <ubuntu_> this came preinstalled w/ windows and no cd's
[02:23] <savvas> well.. um.. :)
[02:23] <Xero> Then go pirate one like a good Windows user.
[02:23] <ubuntu_> tht is why they call me helpless on gamespy arcade
[02:23] <savvas> there's a torrent alternative
[02:23] <ubuntu_> is there a torrent client on ubuntu?
[02:24] <savvas> www.deluge-torrent.org
[02:24] <ubuntu_> thnx
[02:24] <savvas> there is one preinstalled though
[02:24] <savvas> apps > internet > bittorrent
[02:25] <ubuntu_> not on my live cd
[02:25] <ubuntu_> bittorent
[02:25] <ratpoison> ubuntu_: it's there, the link is just disabled
[02:25] <ratpoison> if you go to e.g. torrentspy.com and download a torrent you\ll see it
[02:25] <ubuntu_> torrent spy has disabled downloads for the us users
[02:25] <savvas> ubuntu_: try run: gnome-btdownload
[02:26] <savvas> ubuntu_: isohunt
[02:26] <ubuntu_> i use torrentman.com
[02:26] <ratpoison> torrentspy.com was just an example, you can go to any torrent site you like
[02:26] <Xero> ubuntu_, use the link ubotu gave you.
[02:26] <Xero> !fixgrub
[02:26] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[02:26] <ubuntu_> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ gnome-btdownload
[02:26] <ubuntu_> /usr/bin/gnome-btdownload:858: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.threads_init is deprecated, use gtk.gdk.threads_init instead gtk.threads_init()
[02:27] <Xero> The second one.
[02:27] <Xero> Look at the first one, too.
[02:27] <Xero> It sort of pertains to your situation.
[02:27] <ubuntu_> kk
[02:27] <Vorbote> But... The bittorrent client included is outdated and in fact rejected by many trackers. The problem is that later versions use a non-free license. You are far better off using Deluge (or Transmission for that matter).
[02:29] <fulat2k> asisak: yeo... managed to upgrade to GG b1.
[02:29] <ubuntu_> man this sux
[02:30] <fulat2k> hi folks, i'm using a wifi usb stick and was recognized as rausb1 in feisty.  however, upon upgrading to gg b1, i can't seem to get the device it's attached to even in /var/log/messages.  any ideas?
[02:30] <fulat2k> when i do a lsusb, i can see the device is identified.
[02:30] <_dan_> so pam prob solved, now how can i disable my pc speaker
[02:31] <savvas> ubuntu_: you're using beta, not final, you should be aware of the risks, since ubuntu gutsy is still under "Testing" :)
[02:31] <ratpoison> _dan_: system> sound> prefs and search the tabs there
[02:31] <_dan_> nope
[02:31] <_dan_> its disabled there
[02:31] <Vorbote> _dan_, create a file in /etc/modprobe.d that reads "blacklist speaker"
[02:31] <Xero> ubuntu_, try reinstalling GRUB.
[02:32] <_dan_> vorbote thx
[02:32] <Xero> from the live cd, type 'grub-install /dev/hda1' into a terminal.
[02:32] <savvas> Vorbote: thanks for the transmission suggestion :)
[02:32] <ubuntu_> cuz i dun have a floppy dive ill just use hdb to grub boot
[02:32] <_dan_> vorbote blacklist-speaker
[02:32] <_dan_> or blacklist-pcspkr
[02:32] <_dan_> ?
[02:32] <Xero> Error 15, I think, wouldn't be changed by this, but it's worth a shot.
[02:33] <_dan_> cant i just add "pcspkr" into modprobe.d/blacklist
[02:34] <ubuntu_> L0A|)1|\|G 0pen0ffice.0rg 2.2
[02:34] <ubuntu_> ???
[02:34] <Xero> -What the F---
[02:34] <ubuntu_> why did it type tht?
[02:35] <Xero> I have never seen that in my life.
[02:35] <penguin42> _dan_: If it's coming via X then xset b off
[02:35] <ubuntu_> evil possed computer
[02:35] <Xero> penguin42, thank you for nobeep command of doom.
[02:35] <_dan_> now my last problem: when i mount a partition into /home/dan/data it appears as /home/dan/data on desktop plus nautilus instead of just data, so in nautilis adress bar i got [home] [dan] [home/dan/data]  etc
[02:35] <penguin42> muhahaha
[02:35] <Vorbote> _dan_, read the other files in that directory. Plenty of examples. :-)
[02:35] <_dan_> how cna i tell gnome i wnat it as data not fullpath
[02:36] <_dan_> Vorbote did, btw already done ;)
[02:36] <Xero> Okay someone help ubuntu_. I'm confused.
[02:37] <Xero> I think we may have a MITM here.
[02:37] <ubuntu_> how do i change my name?
[02:37] <Xero> ./nick yournewname
[02:37] <Xero> without the dot
[02:38] <Xero> lol
[02:38] <d34th> kk thnx
[02:38] <ratpoison> Xero: try /say command
[02:38] <d34th> wait sumthins not right
[02:38] <Xero> ratpoison, that's more keystrokes than ./
[02:38] <d34th|helpless> now thts right
[02:38] <d34th|helpless> lol
[02:38] <ratpoison> Xero: not if you add "without the dot :p "
[02:38] <Xero> lol
[02:39] <savvas> _dan_: why not mount it in /media/ or /mnt/ ?
[02:39] <_dan_> i mount it in my homedir, wheer i want it
[02:39] <d34th|helpless> yeay
[02:39] <Xero> I now have a trademarked symbol of my laziness.
[02:39] <_dan_> prob is, gnome thinks for some weird reason it has to report it with full path instead of relative path, like it should do
[02:40] <d34th|helpless> this irssi is kinda like mIRC
[02:41] <Xero> XChat rivals mIRC in power, but mIRC has the easiest scripting (and horrible syntax)
[02:41] <savvas> yeah, except in irssi you use the keyboard more than your mouse clicks :)
[02:41] <d34th|helpless> ya
[02:41] <d34th|helpless> :)
[02:41] <_dan_> mirc is way better than xchat IMHO, nothing can compare to it, at least when i last used mirc (4 years ago)
[02:41] <d34th|helpless> my comp is dieing :(
[02:42] <Xero> Try installing GRUB again.
[02:42] <savvas> _dan_: true, if the xchat people would put a pay&register button, it would be as great as mirc
[02:43] <Xero> In a terminal, type 'grub-install /dev/hda1'
[02:43] <d34th|helpless> i wonder what would happed if i unpluged hdb out of its socket and made it a cd drive
[02:43] <_dan_> savvas hahaha
[02:43] <Xero> Actually, remove the 1
[02:43] <d34th|helpless> imma install it to hdb
[02:43] <Xero> Ok.
[02:44] <_dan_> i get constant apport reports about cron crashing :O
[02:44] <d34th|helpless> bash: /grub-install: No such file or directory
[02:44] <Xero> You typed an extra / at the beginning,
[02:45] <d34th|helpless> mkdir: cannot create directory `/boot/grub': Permission denied
[02:45] <savvas> now try a sudo in front :)
[02:46] <d34th|helpless> Could not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.
[02:46] <savvas> are you sure you have /hdb ?
[02:46] <Xero> /dev/hdb
[02:47] <d34th|helpless> yes i have 2 hdds
[02:47] <d34th|helpless> 1 WDC and 1 samsung
[02:47] <ubuntu_dave> er in gutsy they're prob at /sdx
[02:47] <d34th|helpless> my screen resolution is too small to install ubuntu also
[02:48] <d34th|helpless> i have fiesty fawn
[02:48] <d34th|helpless> 7.04
[02:48] <Xero> They're at /dev/sd*
[02:48] <Xero> try /dev/sdb instead of /dev/hdb
[02:48] <d34th|helpless> kk
[02:48] <ubuntu_dave> right
[02:48] <ubuntu_dave> but for gutsy, not for feisty....
[02:48] <d34th|helpless> /dev/sdb does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.
[02:48] <Xero> No, Feisty does it too.
[02:49] <Xero> Then do it to /dev/hda, I guess.
[02:49] <savvas> d34th|helpless: dir -1 /dev/ | grep -i "^\(s\|h\)d."
[02:49] <ubuntu_dave> weird, fesity never did for me, having said that, nor does gutsy ^_^
[02:49] <Xero> d4tz c0z u h4xx0rz0rz
[02:50] <ubuntu_dave> nah from clean install
[02:50] <savvas> d34th|helpless: it will show you hard disk drives and their partitions
[02:50] <d34th|helpless> u wish i |-|4Xx0rz
[02:50] <savvas> d34th|helpless: you could use gparted to find out which is which :)
[02:51] <d34th|helpless> Unknown partition table signature
[02:51] <Xero> OH doody.
[02:51] <Xero> You had a problem partitioning. That was all.
[02:51] <Xero> Reinstall Ubuntu and all should be well.
[02:52] <d34th|helpless> i cant install drives are corrupt
[02:52] <Xero> Are you sure?
[02:52] <d34th|helpless> and my screen resolution wont go over 800x600 meaning i cant install
[02:52] <Xero> Click install.
[02:52] <Xero> See what it does.
[02:52] <d34th|helpless> install button it below screen end
[02:53] <Xero> It's the one on the far right
[02:53] <Xero> next
[02:53] <Xero> Ooooo try the Alternate CD!!!
[02:53] <Xero> It's fun!
[02:53] <d34th|helpless> yes tht is way below screen
[02:53] <d34th|helpless> alternate cd?
[02:53] <Xero> yeah
[02:53] <d34th|helpless> what tht
[02:54] <Xero> Download it from the Ubuntu site. I don't know where it is, really.
[02:54] <Xero> It's a text mode installer.
[02:54] <Xero> No desktop until it's installed, though.
[02:54] <Xero> That CD is meant for people with hdd/resolution/memory problems.
[02:54] <d34th|helpless> i only have 1 cd drive an dif i remove live cd it will die on me(again)
[02:54] <savvas> d34th|helpless: do you have any files that need to be backed up in ubuntu partitions, like your /home/ ?
[02:54] <Xero> Plug in an external USB burner.
[02:55] <Xero> savvas, his drives are corrupt.
[02:55] <d34th|helpless> dun have 1
[02:55] <Xero> He doesn't even have a /home.
[02:55] <hetauma> hi is there any way to track changes mad on each daily cd ?
[02:55] <savvas> ah
[02:55] <savvas> sorry :)
[02:55] <d34th|helpless> should i just get 6.06
[02:55] <Xero> Someone please mail him a USB burner.
[02:56] <d34th|helpless> or what
[02:56] <Xero> No, use 7.10.
[02:56] <d34th|helpless> i have 7.04
[02:56] <Xero> It's newer and more secure, but stability is a bit bad.
[02:56] <d34th|helpless> right now
[02:56] <_dan_> can i remove evolution without make apt suggesting me to autoremove half the gnome desktop?
[02:57] <Xero> 'rm /usr/bin/evolution && echo Hooray!'
[02:57] <_dan_> well aehm not the russion way :P
[02:57] <_dan_> the clean way
[02:58] <d34th|helpless> ahhrg
[02:59] <hetauma> russion way?
[03:00] <Lynoure> Xero: what kind of security improvements are there?
[03:00] <Xero> Lynoure, AppArmor.
[03:00] <d34th|helpless> great now im getting yelled at by my mom because ubuntu corrupt my comp thnx alot
[03:01] <Vorbote> _dan_, not really but you can hide it. Edit the applications menu and untick the evolution icon. Remove the icon from the panel and choose a different mail client in System->Preferences->Preferred applications.
[03:01] <d34th|helpless> now im getting grounded
[03:01] <Xero> d34th|helpless, sorry.
[03:01] <d34th|helpless> tis alright
[03:01] <savvas> d34th|helpless: you installed feisty or gutsy?
[03:01] <d34th|helpless> feisty
[03:01] <Xero> Usually someone with this kind of problem wouldve spammed HAIL MICROSOFT BILLY=GOD
[03:01] <_dan_> Vorbote thx but well its more a question of princip to me, i dont want unused stuff installed ;)
[03:02] <savvas> then what are you doing in #ubuntu+1 ? :P
[03:02] <Vorbote> _dan_, you are a perfect candidate for Debian.
[03:02] <d34th|helpless> site said to join this
[03:02] <Lynoure> Xero: ok, thanks.
[03:02] <_dan_> Vorbote i used debian for 3+years, still using it on some machines :P
[03:02] <Xero> I used it too, but Ubuntu is more up to date.
[03:03] <hetauma> where do I report bugs?
[03:03] <bepe86> debian is still great for servers
[03:03] <Vorbote> GNOME 2.20 entered Sid this week....
[03:03] <bepe86> have a deban machine that has an uptime of 3+ years now
[03:03] <_dan_> Xero i used debian sid, so was pretty up to date
[03:04] <_dan_> but the debian release cycle is *horrible* and well, wrong channel for this discussion
[03:04] <Vorbote> Yep.
[03:04] <d34th|helpless> great i g2g make 1k and buy a new comp
[03:04] <hylje> debian release cycle is wrong channel for this discusson
[03:04] <savvas> hetauma: you mean http://launchpad.net ?
[03:05] <rexy_> _dan_: recompile gnome with just the stuff you want, also www.linuxfromscratch.org might suit you
[03:05] <bepe86> well, I'm pleased with the gutsy-beta so far. No major changes from feisty, but I like he integration with tracker, and stability has been a non-issue so far
[03:05] <rexy_> see you again in 6 months ;)
[03:05] <hetauma> savvas, I guess so
[03:05] <_dan_> rexy_ :P
[03:05] <bepe86> arch could suit you as well
[03:05] <Xero> I tried LFS and phailed
[03:05] <rexy_> honestly this bare minimum stuff is nice and all, but as long as it's not in my memory i cba if it's on my disk
[03:05] <taggie> anybody know if hda-intel is going to get fixed for release? it's frustrating that feisty had fine support but i have no sound with a fresh gutsy install
[03:06] <savvas> hetauma: that's where you file bugs, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[03:06] <Webbmaster> how do i get kde4 on kubuntu gutsy?
[03:06] <Vorbote> Six? more like 2. When the UD ends and the new development starts, it is when things get fun again.
[03:06] <rexy_> Xero: i never had much trouble even when they were at just 2.0 or something, sometimes stuff breaks, use exact version numbers, and dont go nuts on optimizations :D
[03:06] <_dan_> rexy_ well your right, still, if id could i removed it, but i cant
[03:06] <Xero> Nuts and optimizations is optimized nuts.
[03:07] <Vorbote> Webbmaster, there are parts in the official repos and others are in the kde.org repos (find all about it in kubuntu.org)
[03:07] <Vorbote> _dan_, you can hack the metapackages....
[03:07] <rexy_> _dan_: pruning ubuntu for unused packages seems a waste of effort, unless you're really tight for diskspace and it doesnt pose a security risk, whats the harm in leaving it. minimizing takes so much time, trial and error, just not worth it ussually
[03:08] <hetauma> but should I report thins like.... run firefox and try to install adobe flash from the pop up window, while having synaptic running. I get error message that synaptic is running and then firefox says that adobe flash succesfully installed when it didn't do anything
[03:08] <rexy_> besides whats minimal, a lot of packages you do need,install loads of crap you dont need, heh
[03:08] <_dan_> rexy_ well of corse you are right, its just personal preference to not have it lying around
[03:09] <Vorbote> hetauma, that's perfectly normal. The dpkg/apt database directories are locked because they can't be used by more than one instance of the program (in any of its incarnations).
[03:10] <Vorbote> That is, they can be read but not written.
[03:10] <hetauma> Vorbote, yes I know but because of that flash wasn't downloaded/installed but firefox "said" succesfully installed
[03:10] <rexy_> _dan you can always profile your system , and use that to prune, but it'll probably break stuff horribly too
[03:10] <Vorbote> Ahh, that's another kettle of fish.
[03:11] <_dan_> rexy_ hm nope would just be great if gnome meta package would be like evolution || thunderbird || other email prog
[03:12] <Vorbote> hetauma, that certainly sounds like a bug to me. (Weird it didn't happen to me).
[03:12] <ubuntu_dave> (I'd love to see Evolution gone tbh ^_^)
[03:13] <hetauma> Vorbote, u didn't run synaptic while firefox was trying to download flash ?
[03:13] <savvas> ubuntu_dave: we all do, but ubuntu provides a complete desktop solution to the average user
[03:13] <Vorbote> In fact yes.
[03:14] <Vorbote> But that was like a couple of weeks back. There was a firefox update in the meantime if memory serves.
[03:14] <ubuntu_dave> savvas: ah i really have no idea how popular Evo is.. was just saying I personally don't use it and therefore would appreciate an easy way for it not to exist on my system :) but yeah I understand the 'complete desktop solution' principle
[03:15] <_dan_> gnome should adopt thunderbird, like firefox in their desktop-env IMHO
[03:15] <ubuntu_dave> I agree
[03:15] <_dan_> but yet again, this is the wtng channel for this discussion
[03:15] <Vorbote> Or balsa.
[03:16] <_dan_> want i dislike btw, gftp is built without ssl support
[03:16] <_dan_> so is the mail-notification plugin IMHO
[03:16] <bjwebb_> hi
[03:17] <rexy_> _dan_: yeah but evolution is very tightly coupled with gnome in ubuntu i think
[03:17] <_dan_> rexy_ well on my laptop i got it uninstalled, gnome works fine (dont ask how i did it, i dont know)
[03:18] <rexy_> i tried but it broke stuff, and by default it runs a process that is rather small so i doesnt bother me much
[03:18] <_dan_> mail-notification <-  SSL/TLS support (disabled, see README.Debian) this renders the plugin useless for a big deal of users
[03:18] <_dan_> the process i got disabled in session
[03:18] <rexy_> that's where it's started
[03:18] <rexy_> along with other great stuff such as the indexing service :)
[03:18] <hetauma> it's already reported :D
[03:19] <hetauma> I love beta testers :D
[03:19] <_dan_> rexy yeah i dont know what visual does either
[03:19] <_dan_> and why does bluetooth manager get startet, i dont even have bluetooth
[03:19] <jussi01> Hmm, has anyone had their screen resolution being set bigger than the screen'?
[03:19] <_dan_> and what the heck us user folder updater   not even a description there
[03:20] <penguin42> jussi01: No, but I had it set smaller
[03:20] <ubuntu_dave> jussi01: yes it;s a common problem
[03:21] <jussi01> ubuntu_dave: is there a fix/workaround?
[03:21] <ubuntu_dave> jussi01: the gutsy area of the forums has lots of into on how to fix it
[03:21] <jussi01> ubuntu_dave: ahh, thanks
[03:21] <ubuntu_dave> jussi01: iirc the best way is simple to edit your xorg.conf and ensure the right max resolution is set
[03:21] <CaBlGuY> so, if I've got the "latest" live CD of gutsy, is it stable enough to install?
[03:22] <ubuntu_dave> CaBlGuY: is it stable enough to run for you kinda answers that
[03:22] <CaBlGuY> ok..
[03:22] <ubuntu_dave> CaBlGuY: bare in mind the usual disclaimers about beta software
[03:22] <nikolam> CaBlGuY: Only for testing..
[03:22] <CaBlGuY> yea.. I know about betas..
[03:22] <sobersabre> hi. I have run x86 version of gutsy on my amd64 machine with 3GB of memory and nVidia Geforce 7300 GS card.
[03:22] <sobersabre> I think because of the restricted driver the machine gets stuck with X.
[03:23] <sobersabre> how can I debug and realize what really makes the machine stuck ?
[03:23] <jussi01> ubuntu_dave: I have. the problem is when I set it to 1680x1050 (my screens correct res) it only shows part of the screen
[03:24] <CaBlGuY> once it's "officialy" released, I'll be able to do an apt-get update and get all the pathes correct?
[03:24] <ubuntu_dave> jussi01: make sure you have the right horizontal and vertical refresh rates set in your xorg then
[03:24] <rexy_> sobersabre: dmesg, the X log
[03:31] <sobersabre> ok rexy_ thanks.
[03:33] <therethinker2> Can someone help me with a dpkg problem?
[03:34] <therethinker2> dpkg-query: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0004' near line 1: newline in field name `#padding'
[03:34] <therethinker2> I checked out /var/lib/dpkg/updates/0004, its just "#padding" on every line
[03:35] <therethinker2> 512 lines, to be exact
[03:35] <penguin42> my updates directory is empty
[03:36] <macogw> im upgrading feisty to gutsy and it just said it couldnt install python-apt
[03:36] <Xero> Feisty>Gutsy updates take forEVER
[03:36] <IdleOne> can someone tell me where this would be added? http://xchat.org/files/source/2.8/patches/xc284-improvescrollback.diff
[03:36] <penguin42> macogw: How are you updating and what exactly was the error?
[03:36] <macogw> gksu "update-manager -d"
[03:36] <macogw> Could not install 'python-apt'
[03:36] <macogw> The upgrade will continue but the 'python-apt' package may be in a not working state. Please consider submitting a bugreport about it.
[03:37] <macogw> dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[03:37] <therethinker2> I emptied my 0004 file, and it seems to be working...
[03:37] <macogw> thats the 4th package to say that, but that one's worrisome
[03:37] <penguin42> macogw: Hmm that's odd
[03:37] <therethinker2> thanks
[03:37] <penguin42> macogw: Was your feisty upto date before you started the upgrade
[03:37] <macogw> yes
[03:38] <penguin42> If it's only a handful then after the upgrade has finished I would explicitly tell it to install each of the failed package and see if you can get a more meaningful error
[03:38] <macogw> ok
[03:38] <macogw> i guess just as long as dpkg doesnt do that im ok
[03:39] <macogw> launchpad-integration just said it as well
[03:39] <macogw> it said that one before though
[03:39] <macogw> and synaptic
[03:39] <macogw> well and all the launchpad-integration libraries
[03:39] <macogw> and update-manager-core
[03:39] <penguin42> not good - you have plenty of disc space on / ?
[03:40] <penguin42> Brucevdk: There should be a Xorg0.log.old
[03:40] <macogw> it says 71% in use and its a 10G partition, so i have 3G
[03:40] <penguin42> ok
[03:41] <Brucevdk> penguin42: ah yes, there is
[03:41] <Brucevdk> penguin42: does a warning such as this "(WW) I810(0): Extended BIOS function 0x5f05 failed." indicate anything?
[03:41] <macogw> given that ive installed ubuntu on a computer with a 5G hard drive and give / only 2G, i dont think my partition's too small
[03:42] <penguin42> Brucevdk: Well I haven't got it - I don't know what that one actually means
[03:42] <penguin42> macogw: No, as long as there is some free you are OK
[03:42] <penguin42> and where did you find a 5G drive?
[03:42] <Xero> penguin42, I have a 2G drive.
[03:43] <Xero> Actually, I have a 500M drive somewhere in my closet.
[03:43] <penguin42> Brucevdk: But it is a WW so it is a warning not an error
[03:43] <macogw> my pentium 2 came with one
[03:43] <macogw> i have a 2G drive at home too
[03:43] <penguin42> Xero: Yeh I've got a 20M drive over there----> but I don't use it.....
[03:43] <Xero> My 386 came with 500MB HDD
[03:43] <Brucevdk> penguin42: there doesn't seem to be anything in that log either indicating why or what made it crash
[03:43] <penguin42> Brucevdk: What's the last thing in the file?
[03:43] <Brucevdk> penguin42: (WW) I810(0): Successfully set original devices (2)
[03:44] <penguin42> Brucevdk: Doesn't look too bad does it
[03:44] <Brucevdk> hehe
[03:44] <penguin42> actually my firewall has a 3G drive in
[03:44] <Brucevdk> penguin42:  this is after closing a fullscreen wine application and only happens with the "new" intel drivers (not the i810 one), basically it tries to do something with switching resolutions and seems to take the xserver down with it
[03:44] <macogw> the pentium 2 runs debian now though.  gnome's too heavy, so its got: text-mode debian etch + X + e17 + iceweasel + OOo
[03:45] <Brucevdk> even from a blackbox user perspective the new intel drivers seem to handle switching resolutions quite differently, because the screen actually blanks (which wasn't the case with the i810 ones)
[03:45] <penguin42> macogw: OOo on a p2 - ouch :-)
[03:45] <Xero> Mousepad would be better on a P2
[03:45] <Xero> and the Gimp
[03:46] <macogw> the reason that box exists is for my siblings to type term papers
[03:46] <macogw> it *was* XP
[03:46] <macogw> this is much faster than XP...like a 2 or 3 year old box
[03:46] <macogw> hm thats interesting
[03:46] <Xero> ckie8w672100000000000
[03:47] <penguin42> cat in the house?
[03:47] <macogw> it just said the upgrade is aborting because so much stuff failed, but i see lots of "setting up $package" still scrolling by and it doesnt look aborted
[03:47] <Xero> 26 packages left to update and my laptop will be Gutsy.
[03:47] <Xero> So I spammed in joy.
[03:47] <penguin42> macogw: It might be worth trying at the command line
[03:48] <penguin42> Brucevdk: Ah - I've got problems with the new drivers as well not being fully stable; I think they are getting better but not there yet
[03:48] <Brucevdk> penguin42: yeah, they are noticeably getting better, when I checked them out a few months ago they crashed my system on startup (that doesn't happen anymore \o/)
[03:49] <Brucevdk> penguin42: can't wait untill they're stable, because the i810 drivers when outputting to two monitors at the same time will get all fuzzy on you (which is already resolved in the new drivers)
[03:49] <macogw> i love when gnome-screensaver ignores the fact that you might want to use your system again after it comes on
[03:49] <Xero> lol
[03:50] <Xero> :O depmod time!
[03:50] <Xero> Gutsy shall boot in about 5 minutes.
[03:50] <penguin42> Brucevdk: Weird; I've not tried dual heading yet
[03:50] <Xero> Depmod depmod depmod!!!
[03:50] <vonhalenbach> hi
[03:51] <Xero> Hello.
[03:51] <Xero> Oh poop. fuse is an invalid binary.
[03:51] <Xero> Haha.
[03:52] <vonhalenbach> Totem is not attached to the media format speex  .spx
[03:52] <vonhalenbach> On the live cd
[03:53] <macogw> ok the text in the "details" part finally caught up to the "it will abort now" that popped up 10 minutes ago
[03:53] <macogw> ooo new sudo? nice
[03:54] <Xero> orly?!?!?!
[03:54] <macogw> it says [password of $user]  so people dont go "but i didnt set a root password" or "what password does it want?"
[03:56] <Xero> Mine already had that.
[03:56] <macogw> found the problem
[03:56] <vonhalenbach> When i shutdown the live cd, it really shuts down and switches the computer off. But the screen looks terrible when shutting down. I had 1027x768x16 chosen at the start.
[03:56] <macogw> launchpad-integration keeps liblaunchpad-integration0 from installing and that keeps practically everything else from installing
[03:57] <macogw> oh, mine didnt
[03:57] <vonhalenbach> almost all is translated to german.
[03:58] <vonhalenbach> just a few buttons and an error message is missing.
[03:58] <vonhalenbach> can i lend a hand? I am a translator.
[03:58] <macogw> the error was on launchpad-integration and said the package is in a very bad and inconsistent state and should be reinstalled.  instead of taking its own advice and downloading a new one and installing that, it tried to keep going and install things which depend upon the one it didn't install.  i think that should be considered a bug
[03:58] <macogw> vonhalenbach: sure go ahead
[03:58] <vonhalenbach> ok
[03:59] <macogw> there's translation in launchpad so just add your phrases to it
[03:59] <vonhalenbach> thanks.
[03:59] <vonhalenbach>  How can i shutdown cleanly the live cd? There is no button.
[04:00] <macogw> i always use reboot from the live cd cuz i want to go back to my stuff
[04:00] <BlueParrot> hmmm, some times it is kinda hard to tell if a broken webpage is the fault of the browser or the webpage , is it safe to assume that 90% of the time it is the webpage ?
[04:00] <vonhalenbach> macogw: How do you issue the command reboot?
[04:00] <penguin42> macogw: if launchpad-integration is broken then try an apt-get remove launchpad-integration and then try again?
[04:01] <penguin42> BlueParrot: Try another web browser
[04:01] <Xero> BlueParrot, if you use IE on Windows, it's the browser's fault. Period.
[04:01] <Xero> Otherwise, it's the page.
[04:01] <BlueParrot> : )
[04:01] <macogw> what is with acpi? my laptop lights say its on AC power.  the gnome panel shows a power plug for AC power.  hovering on the power plug icon on the panel says "the computer is running on battery power"
[04:01] <macogw> penguin42: i just did aptitude install launchpad-integration and now tons of other things are installing, so i guess its going through /var/cache/apt/archives and seeing what's not configured and doing those
[04:02] <BlueParrot> Xero: I don't think I have used windows on my own machine since I found out there was GUIs for Linux machines :P
[04:02] <BlueParrot> Xero: of course, that was about 4 years ago so ... :P
[04:02] <macogw> that was only a year ago for me
[04:02] <macogw> i used DSL to find out you can use a mouse in linux
[04:03] <BlueParrot> hehe
[04:03] <vonhalenbach> :)
[04:03] <macogw> and when i saw mandriva in a book i went "woah they have real guis" but one of my friends said to avoid mandriva and use ubuntu
[04:03] <BlueParrot> thing I like with it is that 4 years after starting to use it I'm doing things which causes "normal people" to think I'm some dangerous hacker ...
[04:03] <penguin42> Hey we've had GUIs for well over 10 years!
[04:04] <vonhalenbach> I have found an issue with unmounting my harddrive from the desktop.
[04:04] <macogw> heh
[04:04] <vonhalenbach> Yeah.
[04:04] <macogw> BlueParrot: 2 of my friends were kicked out of linux-computer-having libraries because they were "hacking" ie "using the command line"
[04:04] <BlueParrot> personally I think ssh had a much greater "WOW" factor than Aero :P
[04:04] <macogw> haha
[04:04] <vonhalenbach> I mounted with the button. /dev/sda1 on media/disk
[04:04] <macogw> alsamixer is apparently impressive
[04:05] <macogw> i think fluxbox contribute
[04:05] <macogw> d
[04:05] <macogw> fluxbox always makes you look 1337er
[04:05] <BlueParrot> macogw: they should clearly have installed beryl and enabled the water effect ...
[04:06] <BlueParrot> would have been fun to hear that customer support conversation
[04:06] <vonhalenbach> then i played some songs of my music collection from the harddisk. then i tried to unmount it.
[04:06] <macogw> in an internet cafe: "what are you doing?" "raising the volume" "oh.  wait, but...what are you using?" "linux" "oh.  ive never seen a girl use linux"
[04:06] <vonhalenbach> error message, because i had the files still opened with totem.
[04:06] <macogw> well yeah you were still accessing the disk
[04:06] <macogw> you cant unmount while the disk's in use
[04:07] <vonhalenbach> then i closed totem, but i still cant unmount, because now was the button switched. I could just press on mount. :(
[04:07] <macogw> time to reboot into a hopefully working gutsy
[04:07] <BlueParrot> macogw: well most Linux users only ever interact with text based information so gender is obviously irrelevant :P
[04:07] <macogw> why is the logoff button now a running dude?
[04:07] <qiv> hi ... are there any instability issus known for gimp?
[04:08] <qiv> on my machine it crashes all the time :/
[04:08] <macogw> qiv: if you use the "small" theme
[04:08] <hetauma> how can I see which language I am using on systemtray?
[04:08] <BlueParrot> macogw: it is more user friendly, clearly *shrug*
[04:08] <qiv> macogw, so i just have to change the theme and it works again? :D
[04:08] <macogw> hetauma: you cant tell based on what language everything's in?
[04:08] <vonhalenbach> locale
[04:08] <macogw> qiv: yes
[04:08] <qiv> loving it ;) thanks a lot ^^
[04:08] <macogw> qiv: that themeis broken
[04:08] <BlueParrot> hetauma: do you mean the keyboard layout ?
[04:09] <hetauma> BlueParrot, yes
[04:09] <BlueParrot> hetauma: are you using Gnome or KDE ?
[04:09] <macogw> oh add to panel  > the one with a flag
[04:09] <hetauma> I need the indicator
[04:09] <hetauma> gnome
[04:09] <BlueParrot> right click on the panel and add the little applet
[04:09] <hetauma> thanx alot :D
[04:09] <macogw> keyboard indicator is in the "utilities" section
[04:10] <macogw> anyway time to reboot
[04:12] <vonhalenbach> Does someone here use xfce as desktop enviroment?
[04:13] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: *waves*
[04:13] <Xero> F***!
[04:13] <Xero> Help!
[04:13] <vonhalenbach> Ah. How do you shutdown ?
[04:13] <Xero> My moms computer can't find Windows system files any more!
[04:13] <BlueParrot> isn't there a button in the menu ?
[04:13] <Xero> Shes gonna be soooo pissed!!!
[04:13] <Xero> HELP!
[04:14] <Xero> The bootloader cant find C:/windows/system32/hal.dll
[04:14] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: it shoudl either be a button in the menu or on the panel
[04:14] <vonhalenbach> no, i cant find any button. I had used sudo shutdown -h now from a terminal.
[04:14] <Xero> HELP!!!!
[04:14] <penguin42> Xero: Did you change the partitioning?
[04:14] <vonhalenbach> BlueParrot: On the live cd too?
[04:14] <Xero> penguin42, no.
[04:14] <Xero> I used Wubi.
[04:14] <hylje> Xero: it's not a ubuntu problem anymore
[04:14] <hylje> Xero: to fix it, you need to repair windows
[04:15] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: hmm, I dunno, I have not changed my home directory since ages ago so my layout is probablydifferent from yours
[04:15] <vonhalenbach> BlueParrot: Not even when i do a middle click or a right click.
[04:16] <vonhalenbach> Ctrl+ Alt and Del doesn't  work either.
[04:16] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: you can always add a button by right clicking the panel and chosing "add new item"
[04:16] <savvas> gimp: Depends: gimp-data (>= 2.4.0~rc3) but 2.4.0~rc2-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[04:16] <Xero> I just told her and now shes mad.
[04:16] <Xero> Oh well.
[04:16] <penguin42> hmm Wubi looks quite cute - if it didn't nuke your machine that is
[04:16] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: personally I tend to just kill the X session and then shut down from gdm
[04:16] <vonhalenbach> I did not found a "add new item".
[04:17] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: ehe? when you rightclik the panel you get a context menu , no ?
[04:17] <mon^rch> she should use Linux anyway ;)
[04:17] <penguin42> Xero: See, she should get you your own computer - much safer
[04:17] <vonhalenbach> A shutdown button is needed for noobs, to cleanly unmount (forced) mounted volumes.
[04:18] <Xero> penguin42, I have my own.
[04:18] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: there should be one by default, I don't know why you don't have one
[04:18] <Xero> I wanted her to try Linux.
[04:18] <savvas> Xero: you reinstall windows, but we're definitely out of topic
[04:18] <vonhalenbach> BlueParrot: Please test the last xubuntu desktop live cd.
[04:18] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: I'm out of CDs actually
[04:19] <vonhalenbach> :)
[04:19] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: but anyway, when you rightclick the panel don't you get a menu ?
[04:19] <vonhalenbach> cd rw? no?
[04:19] <penguin42> Xero: If you have the windows CDs you could try a repair; or perhaps go see if you can find any WUBI guys to see if they know how they broke it
[04:19] <vonhalenbach> middle button click.
[04:19] <BlueParrot> na, I forgot them back home when I moved out
[04:19] <Xero> penguin42, I'm trying a repair.
[04:19] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: not middle, right-click on the panel
[04:19] <Xero> fixmbr, fixboot, chkdsk
[04:20] <vonhalenbach> When i right click i can choose which window. window 1 to window4
[04:20] <vonhalenbach> and the opened applications are there.
[04:20] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: where are you right-clicking ? It doesn't sound like the panel
[04:20] <Xero> lol
[04:21] <vonhalenbach> on the desktop screen (background image) I haven't seen any panel.
[04:21] <BlueParrot> the taskbar ...
[04:21] <BlueParrot> you shoudl have two panels
[04:21] <BlueParrot> one at the top and one at the bottom
[04:21] <vonhalenbach> Do you talk about gnome?
[04:22] <vonhalenbach> There is none.
[04:22] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: oh, that is not right ...
[04:22] <vonhalenbach> I had xfce running for the first time.
[04:22] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: try running "xfc4-panel" in a terminal
[04:22] <vonhalenbach> Maybe i should search more.
[04:22] <BlueParrot> xfce*
[04:22] <Xero> join ##windows
[04:22] <Xero> Doh.
[04:23] <Xero> No slash.
[04:23] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: it sounds as if the panel has not started
[04:23] <vonhalenbach> ok, i will try this the next time.
[04:23] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: it sounds as if you have something broken in your configuration files
[04:23] <vonhalenbach> Now i am in my normal kubuntu feisty.
[04:23] <BlueParrot> hmmm
[04:23] <BlueParrot> well, something has hosed your config
[04:23] <vonhalenbach> Then the live cd is broken.
[04:24] <BlueParrot> quite possible
[04:24] <vonhalenbach> I should maybe choose another resolution. Like 800x600 the next time.
[04:24] <vonhalenbach> I had used 1024x768x16
[04:25] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: it should look something like this: http://www.xubuntu.org/files/edgy1.jpeg
[04:25] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: naaa, it sounds more as if something is broken
[04:25] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: like the panel didn't start or something
[04:25] <BlueParrot> that is an edgy screenshot btw
[04:25] <BlueParrot> dunno if there is a successful gutsy one somewhere
[04:25] <vonhalenbach> or maybe they were just out of my screen.
[04:26] <BlueParrot> unlikely
[04:26] <BlueParrot> shouldn't be
[04:26] <vonhalenbach> Those panels were not there.
[04:26] <vonhalenbach> Ok, i will try again. thanks for your feedback.
[04:26] <BlueParrot> yea, ok, something is broken then
[04:26] <BlueParrot> unless they actually changed it, but I doubt that
[04:27] <vonhalenbach> Now, i know what to test.
[04:27] <vonhalenbach> Are here developers with svn access to the xubuntu sources? Or just users?
[04:32] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: I'm just a user, I'm not sure the developers will reveal their identities out of fear of retribution :P
[04:32] <vonhalenbach> hehe
[04:32] <vonhalenbach> No problem. was just curious.
[04:33] <Zoiks> how long does a badblocks take?
[04:33] <Zoiks> its 3 hours and counting so far
[04:34] <penguin42> Zoiks: How big is your drive?
[04:34] <_dan_> get yaself a pizza, watch a nice movie
[04:34] <_dan_> go out have some drinks
[04:34] <_dan_> it takes *long*
[04:35] <Zoiks> i think its a 400
[04:35] <Zoiks> or 500
[04:35] <Zoiks> just a question
[04:35] <Zoiks> its not overwriting anything is it?
[04:36] <hetauma> the device information on my laptops battery says capacity 16%! is there any way to fix it? other than buying a new battery?
[04:36] <hetauma> any battery tricks?
[04:37] <Zoiks> hetauma: the old 24h in the freezer trick?
[04:38] <hetauma> isn't this just a legend?
[04:39] <Zoiks> possibly
[04:39] <Zoiks> but if the battery is that bad would it hurt to try?
[04:39] <penguin42> hetauma: I thought fully discharging was supposed to help
[04:40] <penguin42> Zoiks: A straight read through of a 400G drive at 40MB/s would take 2.8 hours if it managed to keep that speed up solid and didn't need to do anything else
[04:41] <kevinO> how do i play .3g2 files from quicktime?
[04:42] <kevinO> sorry if the question seems unrelated but i dont want to ask in the ubuntu channel as the information may be outdated
[04:44] <macogw> yay the upgrade worked
[04:44] <macogw> compiz fusion confuses the hell out of me
[04:45] <kRush> what's so confusing about it?
[04:47] <attunix> I installed ubuntustudio-desktop and I decided I didn't like it so I removed it. Now the boot/load screen is still there. How can I get my old Ubuntu load screen back?
[04:48] <aguitel> is Yast in gutsy ?
[04:49] <_dan_> god thx no
[04:49] <aguitel> !yast
[04:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about yast - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:49] <Xero> http://humorix.org/
[04:50] <Tomcat_> kevinO: Try realplayer helix... *might* work.
[04:50] <timing> Hey, when i have compiz enabled with fancy workspace switching, going to workspace 1 (with ALT+F1) makes the applications menu pop-up. Is this a known problem? should i go to the compiz channel?
[04:50] <kevinO> ok vlc player works
[04:50] <kevinO> thanks
[04:51] <eeyore_> The strangest thing happened just now. My clock used to have the following order: Month day, date, time
[04:51] <eeyore_> now time comes first
[04:51] <eeyore_> then the rest
[04:53] <kRush> timing, I don't think it's a problem at all, check your hotkey bindings
[04:53] <timing> yeah that's just alt+f1 to workspace 1
[04:53] <timing> I don't know if there is another hotkey settings thing?
[04:53] <timing> I just use the gnome one
[04:54] <timing> and mod4+f1 doesn't switch the window to that workspace as well
[04:54] <timing> does compiz have his own shortcuts?
[04:55] <timing> *its
[04:55] <kRush> altf1 is set to show panel menu in my gnome keyboard shortcuts you might want to unbind that and it should work
[04:55] <macogw> anyone else unable to switch desktops with C-F on gutsy?
[04:55] <timing> kRush: it's bound to go to workspace 1
[04:55] <timing> and that works
[04:55] <timing> i go to workspace 1
[04:55] <timing> and then the application menu pops up
[04:57] <kRush> timing, yeah so it has double bindings. I don't know where you set your keys for the compiz stuff
[04:57] <timing> yeah i don't know either :-)
[04:57] <timing> when i disable compiz it works okay
[04:57] <timing> maybe somewhere in gconf
[04:58] <kRush> argh no
[04:58] <kRush> I know where to set compiz keybindings, I don't know where *you* set your altf1 binding
[04:59] <wers> I do not know if this is a gutsy issue, but everytime I run Pidgin, even if I chose not to "Use status message from last exit at startup," pidgin still uses my last status message at startup
[04:59] <wers> any ideas?
[05:01] <Ryo> Hi, I don't know if you realize, but in the last update, every single thing in the start menu is now removed.
[05:01] <Ryo> I had to make a launcher just because I can't even get to this app, or the terminal, from the menu.
[05:02] <timing> kRush: i set mine with system preferences keyboard shortcuts
[05:02] <_dan_> ryo alt+f2 in case of emergency
[05:02] <Ryo> That's handy to know.
[05:03] <macogw> Ryo: howd you get a start menu?
[05:03] <Ryo> macogw:  The one called "applications".
[05:03] <kRush> timing, ok so there is the same binding still in compiz. do you have ccsm installed?
[05:03] <macogw> wouldnt that be the applications menu then
[05:04] <timing> kRush: nope :-) so i guess i need that
[05:04] <timing> apt-getting it in a few
[05:04] <Ryo> macogw:  Yeah, it would.  But it's still exactly the same in concept.
[05:04] <mnk> hello all - i am trying to upgrade to gutsy but keep getting the same error
[05:04] <kRush> timing, you can do it with gconf-editor too but ccsm is easier if you want to change more stuff
[05:04] <Ryo> mnk:  what's the error?
[05:04] <mnk> getting upgrade pre-requists failed
[05:04] <timing> kRush: k thanks!
[05:05] <mnk> 2007-09-30 17:42:17,776 ERROR pre-requists item 'http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ub
[05:05] <mnk> untu/pool/main/r/release-upgrader-dpkg/release-upgrader-dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu11.2_i3
[05:05] <mnk> 86.udeb' is NOT trusted
[05:05] <mnk> that's in the main/log
[05:05] <mnk> main.log
[05:05] <kRush> timing, /apps/compiz/general/allscreens/options/main_menu_key is the one
[05:06] <mnk> any idea what that means? and what i have to do to fix that pls?
[05:06] <timing> kRush: it's on disabled
[05:07] <kRush> timing, now that is weird
[05:07] <timing> yeah :-)
[05:08] <timing> what is this gnome-compiz-preferences thing btw?
[05:08] <macogw> ccsm
[05:08] <macogw> compizconfig-settings-manager
[05:09] <timing> yeah
[05:09] <timing> but what is gnome-compiz-preferences
[05:09] <Ryo> I kind of want my apps menu back :/
[05:09] <timing> it's very old i think
[05:11] <macogw> thats from old compi
[05:12] <macogw> compiz
[05:13] <timing> maybe that's fucking things up here
[05:13] <timing> how do i remove the old ones completely?
[05:14] <timing> the package upgrade didn't do that yet
[05:14] <rothchild> I have a problem with compiz not showing popup windows they are blacked out, does anyone else have this problem, I can't see any reported bugs
[05:15] <kRush> wfm
[05:17] <kRush> timing, you could do a search on <Alt>F1 in gconf (check key values) and see if anything else pops up. If that doesn't do it I'm out of ideas
[05:24] <timing> kRush: I know the problem
[05:24] <timing> *understand
[05:24] <timing> i used the non-custom option in the appearance settings
[05:24] <timing> which uses alt+f1 as mnu binding
[05:25] <timing> now i use the custom option, where the alt+f1 was disabled
[05:26] <kRush> so it works now?
[05:27] <macogw> gutsy should include the fusion icon for compiz fusion
[05:27] <macogw> there are only 2 ways to enable compiz fusion right now: command line and "desktop effects" but if you use "desktop effects" your ccsm settings are ignored
[05:27] <timing> rkyeah
[05:28] <macogw> and command line's not user friendly
[05:28] <macogw> well...not new user friendly
[05:28] <macogw> its perfectly friendly to me
[05:28] <kRush> macogw, my ccsm settings work
[05:29] <macogw> when i enabled it it did compiz --replace gconf ccp which meant that gconf's settings got loaded instead of ccp's
[05:29] <macogw> if i do it from the command line and specify ccp, it works right
[05:29] <macogw> and the panel applet is a lot more convenient than using the menus :P
[05:29] <kRush> and desktop effects menu entry is not there for me either
[05:30] <gmb> Folks, has anyone else's Applications Gnome menu become suddenly, inexplicably empty after the latest batch of updates?
[05:31] <Xero> Nup nup nup.
[05:31] <gmb> Xero: Is that a yes or a no?
[05:32] <Xero> no
[05:32] <gmb> Hmm.
[05:32] <macogw> not for me
[05:32] <gmb> It's odd; this has happened on both my Gutsy machines.
[05:32] <macogw> i just dist-upgraded though so idk how your box was yesterday...i just know current up-to-date has working menus
[05:33] <sparsec> Does anyone know whether the problem with rt2500 has been fixed?
[05:42] <mnk> hello all - i am trying to upgrade to gutsy but keep getting the same error
[05:42] <mnk> getting upgrade pre-requists failed
[05:42] <mnk> 2007-09-30 17:42:17,776 ERROR pre-requists item 'http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ub
[05:43] <mnk> that's in the main.log
[05:43] <mnk> any idea what that means? and what i have to do to fix that pls?
[05:46] <pixl> anyone else got problems with xrandr after upgrading from feasty?
[05:47] <pixl> does it work at all in gutsy with nvidia drivers (tried several versions, same problem)
[05:47] <pixl> xrandr reports that extension is not supported on display 0
[05:50] <sparsec> pixl: Off-topic: Loads of problems with everything, that's why I switched back to feisty. :)
[05:51] <pixl> is it possible to downgrade? :P
[05:51] <pixl> crap, should have made a copy of my root
[05:52] <pixl> or ill just have to wait for fixes to arrive.. :(
[05:55] <sparsec> pixl: I did a clean install
[05:55] <sparsec> I wanted to better partition my 80GB harddisk now that I got rid of the Windows partition
[05:56] <duarte> hello. I have not been able to make my fat32 partition writable since I upgraded to 7.10. In the beginning my fstab looked like this: # /dev/sda3UUID=7B66-CCBD  /media/docs     vfat    defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[05:56] <sparsec> Unfortunately, the rt2500 module which I depend on for network connection didn't work in beta with WPA, so I had to switch
[05:57] <duarte> I changed the umask to umask=000 but it still does not make it writable
[05:57] <duarte> can anyone help me?
[05:58] <rexy_> umask is just used when creating permissions for a file
[05:58] <rexy_> try mounting it with rw?
[05:58] <duarte> also tried that
[05:58] <duarte> it still does not make it writable
[05:58] <duarte> :(
[05:59] <rexy_> do you have the permissions as a user to write there?
[05:59] <rexy_> who owns the files in the partition?
[05:59] <sparsec> yep, did you try it with sudo?
[05:59] <duarte> yes
[05:59] <rexy_> type ls in the mount point and post it on pastebin?
[06:00] <rexy_> add output of mount too
[06:01] <xtknight> weird why did xorg-driver-synaptics rename to xfree86-driver-synaptics?
[06:02] <duarte>  sudo fdisk -l
[06:02] <duarte> Disk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
[06:02] <duarte> 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
[06:02] <duarte> Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
[06:02] <duarte> Disk identifier: 0x00008753
[06:02] <duarte>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[06:02] <duarte> /dev/sda1               1        6079    48829536    5  Extended
[06:02] <duarte> /dev/sda2   *        6080       10942    39060480    7  HPFS/NTFS
[06:02] <duarte> /dev/sda3           10943       19457    68396737+   b  W95 FAT32
[06:02] <duarte> /dev/sda5               1        4255    34178224+  83  Linux
[06:02] <duarte> /dev/sda6            4256        4498     1951866   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[06:02] <duarte> /dev/sda7            4499        6079    12699351   83  Linux
[06:02] <rexy_> Dude , pastebin
[06:02] <xtknight> !pastebin | duarte use this next time please so the channel isnt overloaded
[06:02] <ubotwo> duarte use this next time please so the channel isnt overloaded: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:02] <Xero> Does this work for anyone else? http://xero-games.com/xspf
[06:03] <rexy_> also that is useless, post the ls and the output of mount
[06:03] <rexy_> Xero: works fine
[06:03] <rexy_> just have totem with all plugins
[06:04] <Xero> rexy_, thanks.
[06:04] <Xero> Now I know its my problem, not my code's problem, or my theft of code's problem.
[06:05] <rexy_> hehe
[06:05] <rexy_> awesome number
[06:09] <Xero> That player is now integrated into my index1.php, rexy_. Thanks for helping.
[06:10] <rexy_> np
[06:11] <hav0ck> Hi all
[06:11] <Xero> Hello.
[06:12] <hav0ck> can some one tell me how to install nUbuntu ? i have error installing grabu during system istallation
[06:12] <Xero> nUbuntu is not an official Ubuntu.
[06:12] <Xero> Look somewhere else for support. Sorry.
[06:12] <Xero> !nubuntu
[06:12] <ubotwo> Sorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[06:12] <Xero> :(
[06:12] <hav0ck> ohh can help me in the enother way ?
[06:13] <Xero> I'll try.
[06:17] <usser> hello question if i install beta now when gutsy is released do i automatically get released version, i mean will update itself?
[06:17] <Xero> usser, yes.
[06:17] <penguin42> yes
[06:18] <usser> alright thank you
[06:18] <usser> )
[06:18] <kevinO> what package do i need to build programs from source?
[06:18] <penguin42> kevin0: build-essentials
[06:18] <kevinO> thanks
[06:19] <penguin42> kevin0: Sorry - no 's' at the end
[06:19] <effie_jayx> I am unable to import my pics from my digital camera
[06:19] <kevinO> oh ok
[06:19] <kevinO> thanks
[06:19] <penguin42> effie_jayx: What type of camera is it, and how is it conencted to your computer
[06:20] <effie_jayx> usb
[06:20] <effie_jayx>  it is a HP photosmart
[06:20] <mendred> how does one automount a usb device that is already plugged in at boot?
[06:21] <macogw> mendred: put it in /etc/fstab
[06:21] <xtknight> might need a debian udev rule if the device name changes?
[06:21] <mendred> macogw: isn't there any rules for hald to mount an usb device
[06:21] <mendred> *aren't
[06:22] <effie_jayx> penguin42,  it has an sd 1 gig card
[06:22] <mendred> when it detects it
[06:22] <effie_jayx> I could do it perfectly in Feisty
[06:22] <effie_jayx> and I actually dualboot this same machine with dapper still
[06:22] <effie_jayx> and it works there
[06:22] <penguin42> sounds like a bug then
[06:24] <Xero> Wii time.
[06:30] <VousDeux> okay, so I just installed today's updates and rebooted. I logged in and launched XChat. I turned my head for a few minutes and when I looked back I was at the logon screen again.
[06:31] <penguin42> VousDeux: Anything else running?
[06:32] <VousDeux> no applications, but there are a few applets running in the tray
[06:32] <penguin42> hmm nothing hard then
[06:32] <VousDeux> ...volume control, stringi, network manager, ksynaptics, klipper, clock
[06:33] <penguin42> VousDeux: Look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old to see if it was an X server crash
[06:34] <VousDeux> it shows a signal 11, but I'm not sure what caused it
[06:35] <penguin42> VousDeux: By the sounds of it you didn't have much running to cause it!
[06:35] <jgm> Hi is the nvidia kernel module for 2.6.22-12-generic available yet?
[06:35] <jgm> I saw some updates in that area earlier but I still can't get X running on this kernel with the nvidia driver
[06:38] <Vegar> which card?
[06:38] <jgm> 7900GS
[06:39] <VousDeux> according to syslog, it looks like the sig11 may be related to nvidia driver version mismatch
[06:40] <Lynoure> Is there some way to move files in dolphin other than a opening up another window for the destination and dragging there? I especially liked the Move and Copy in Konqueror context menu
[06:40] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: you've discovered splitview?
[06:41] <VousDeux> http://nopaste.com/p/aBWkRTaDI
[06:41] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: yes. Way less handy that being able to choose from last 3 places I moved to.
[06:41] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: that is, about a minute before you asked :)
[06:41] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: konq is still there.  i hate it for more than 2 places, too.
[06:45] <Shadow6363> hmm, if i have a 64-bit cpu, is it yet recommended that i install the 64-bit version or should i stay with the 32-bit?
[06:48] <mnk> hello all - i am trying to upgrade to gutsy but keep getting the same error
[06:48] <mnk> getting upgrade pre-requists failed
[06:48] <mnk> 2007-09-30 17:42:17,776 ERROR pre-requists item 'http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ub
[06:48] <mnk> that's in the main.log
[06:48] <mnk> any idea what that means? and what i have to do to fix that pls?
[06:48] <mnk> any help will be appreciated
[06:49] <vonhalenbach> mnk: Where is help appreciated?
[06:49] <mnk> ie in helping me upgrade :)
[06:49] <mnk> getting upgrade pre-requists failed
[06:50] <mnk> keep getting that msg
[06:50] <mnk> when trying to upgrade
[06:50] <mnk> any help will be appreciated :)
[06:50] <mnk> pleeeeeeeeeease
[06:51] <vonhalenbach> do you have the zlib1 package installed?
[06:52] <Xero> www.spam.spam.spam.spam.com/mnk.php?spammer="1"
[06:52] <mnk> i aint spamming!
[06:52] <mnk> Firefox can't find the server at www.spam.spam.spam.spam.com.
[06:52] <mnk> hehe
[06:52] <Xero> lol
[06:52] <mnk> vonhalenbach: no i don't
[06:52] <delhage> mnk: did you do a full upgrade of feisty first?
[06:53] <mnk> delhage: yeah i did - i have feisty now
[06:53] <mnk> ERROR pre-requists item 'http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ub
[06:53] <mnk> untu/pool/main/r/release-upgrader-dpkg/release-upgrader-dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu11.2_i3
[06:53] <mnk> 86.udeb' is NOT trusted
[06:53] <mnk> why is it not trusted?
[06:53] <mnk> i don't get it
[06:53] <Vegar> probably because it isn't signed
[06:54] <mnk> aaah
[06:54] <mnk> interesting
[06:54] <mnk> cos every time i upgrade my packages, it says they r not authorised or something like that
[06:54] <mnk> how can i add the signature?
[06:55] <mnk> how Vegar?
[06:55] <usser> hm what happened to konqueror?
[06:55] <usser> what is dolphin?
[06:55] <Vegar> mnk: it might be using the wrong nvidia module
[06:55] <Vegar> (there are three, IIRC)
[06:56] <Vegar> don't ask me how to make it use the correct one
[06:56] <vonhalenbach> BlueParrot: I have tested more. The i386 xubuntu live cd is broken. Not starting the xfce4-panel
[06:56] <mnk> Vegar nvidia?!
[06:56] <delhage> mnk: try rerunning "sudo aptitude update"
[06:56] <Vegar> oh, wait
[06:56] <Vegar> mnk: wrong channel
[06:56] <Vegar> mnk: how what?
[06:56] <mnk> Vegar: how can i add the signature?
[06:56] <Vegar> you can't
[06:57] <mnk> oh
[06:57] <Vegar> the point is that the one that creates the package signs it
[06:57] <mnk> :(
[06:57] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: oh, what does it say if you run xfce4-panel in a terminal ?
[06:57] <Vegar> unless it's your package
[06:57] <mnk> oic
[06:57] <mnk> but when i update i usually get some package signature error
[06:57] <vonhalenbach> It runs the panel if i start it manually in a terminal. It should start automaticly.
[06:58] <delhage> mnk: can usually be fixed by updating the cache
[06:58] <mnk> delhage: how would i do that?
[06:58] <delhage> mnk: like I said above, sudo aptitude update
[06:58] <mnk> oh ok
[06:58] <BlueParrot> hmmm
[06:58] <mnk> yeah i'm doing that now delhage
[06:58] <mnk> thanks delhage
[06:58] <penguin42> Vegar: Unless the problem is not that the package isn't signed, but that you are missing the stuff to check it
[06:59] <BlueParrot> oh , lol, I forgot to change my sources.list since I moved from norway :P
[06:59] <delhage> mnk: and the try aptitude upgrade again
[06:59] <mnk> W: GPG error: http://dl.google.com stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A040830F7FAC5991
[06:59] <mnk> W: GPG error: http://download.tuxfamily.org edgy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 2D6CFB44DD800CD9 Trevio (3v1n0) <trevi55@gmail.com>
[06:59] <mnk> W: GPG error: http://download.tuxfamily.org feisty Release: Unknown error executing gpgv
[06:59] <mnk> W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems
[06:59] <vonhalenbach> I have tried different resolutions and tried original english language and tried the save graphical mode. No success.
[06:59] <mnk> sorry about the paste
[07:00] <mnk> do u think that is the problem?
[07:00] <mnk> ie is that why i can't upgrade to gutsy? cos of those errors/>#
[07:00] <mnk> ?
[07:01] <vonhalenbach> BlueParrot: Can you fix it or give this a developer directly? Or should i file a bug against xubuntu beta?
[07:01] <delhage> mnk: that happens sometimes, try to run it again, until those messages dissapear (might be a temporary network problem)
[07:01] <BlueParrot> vonhalenbach: I'm just a user, like you , you probably want to file a bug report
[07:02] <vonhalenbach> yeah. I will.
[07:02] <mnk> i have had those msgs for AGES - literally weeks and weeks delhage, even though i regularly  update
[07:02] <delhage> of course it could be something more serious too
[07:02] <delhage> ok
[07:03] <delhage> I upgraded on thursday and it went very well
[07:03] <BlueParrot> oh I'm already on gutsy
[07:03] <delhage> no snags at all, a bit dissapointing ;)
[07:03] <delhage> ah
[07:03] <BlueParrot> I'm just a bit cautious about upgrading from a working system when it is in beta :P
[07:04] <VousDeux> okay, I installed the current version of the nvidia driver...hopefully that fixed it.
[07:05] <mnk> so erm
[07:05] <mnk> any idea what i could do?
[07:08] <BluesKaj> looking for the 'startup' filelike the editable one in feisty ...is there such an animal ?
[07:08] <VousDeux> since the synaptics driver doesn't seem to work, I wonder if perhaps ALPS would work. The vendor tells me that they believe the touch pad is Synaptics, but the manufacturer did not confirm. How would I go about trying out the ALPS driver?
[07:09] <philip> gosh the update download is so slow...probably from everyone upgrading to the beta :)
[07:09] <mnk> so erm
[07:09] <BluesKaj> yeah, took me almost 90mins yesterday to upgrade
[07:09] <mnk> any idea guys?
[07:09] <mnk> pleeeease
[07:11] <philip> mnk, change "feisty" to "gutsy" if that doesn't work then remove those third party repos
[07:11] <mnk> what's that url for pastbin pls?
[07:11] <mnk> so i can paste u my sources.list
[07:11] <mnk> so u can tell me which ones to comment out?
[07:13] <KanRiNiN> After upgrading, I read the info about Gutsy not showing device info correctly.  Would this have anything to do with why my XFS and HFS partitions now longer mount on my server?  Thanks in advance.
[07:13] <mnk> i have beryl installed - could that be the problem?
[07:13] <mnk> philip?
[07:13] <philip> mnk, change "feisty" etc to gutsy
[07:14] <mnk> yeah
[07:14] <philip> change all of them
[07:14] <mnk> in sources.list
[07:15] <Meroigo_> mnk,  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[07:17] <ray_> hi how i clear my repository download cash
[07:17] <ray_> ?
[07:17] <ray_> so i can get my stuff fresh download and not cashed
[07:17] <mnk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39168/
[07:18] <ray_> will look
[07:18] <savvas> has anyone when will the gimp dependency be fixed?
[07:18] <savvas> *anyone heard
[07:18] <scizzo-> savvas: what dependency?
[07:19] <ray_> savvas do you know how to clear the repository cash in 7.10?
[07:19] <ray_> if so how do i want to get fresh install
[07:19] <savvas> The following packages have unmet dependencies: gimp: Depends: gimp-data (>= 2.4.0~rc3) but 2.4.0~rc2-1ubuntu1 is to be installed
[07:20] <ray_> savvas see my q
[07:20] <savvas> you mean clean and autoclean?
[07:20] <Brucevdk> ray_:  I don't think clearing the repository cache will do much (at least not what I presume you want), it'll just delete previously downloaded packages but that's it (the command for that should be "sudo apt-get clean")
[07:20] <scizzo-> savvas: right so the gimp-data update is not up yet
[07:20] <ray_> brucevdk thats why i want to do
[07:20] <ray_> how do i
[07:21] <Brucevdk> ray_: why would you want to?
[07:21] <savvas> scizzo-: thank you for stating the obvious, has anyone heard if they updated the mirrors for it?
[07:21] <ray_> to get all fresdh install had one that broke will not let me reinstall it give me err
[07:21] <scizzo-> savvas: rc2 seems to be the latest on my se.ubuntu link
[07:22] <scizzo-> savvas: for both gimp-data and gimp
[07:22] <ray_> bruce is that it
[07:22] <savvas> ray_: sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get install -f
[07:22] <scizzo-> savvas: you are using a US link or something?
[07:22] <savvas> scizzo-: UK :)
[07:23] <scizzo-> savvas: aaa...ok
[07:23] <ray_> ok ran them all bruce
[07:23] <ray_> savas i mean
[07:23] <Crozar> I HAVE PROBLEMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
[07:24] <ray_> still didnt remove the downjlaod
[07:24] <savvas> !ask | Crozar
[07:24] <ubotu> Crozar: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:25] <savvas> ray_: what are you trying to do exactly?
[07:25] <ray_> savvas ddint remove the downlod
[07:25] <ray_> savvas i trying to remove the repository download one im trying to install is givime me err
[07:25] <scizzo-> savvas: well then I guess I am back at square 1 when it came to your question... :P
[07:25] <Crozar> guys history is i used feisty then updated * with feisty i had compiz screenlets and some lib's of kde also * but now with update i couldnt enter my xorg.conf and things got weird im using laptop internet is not working maybe to do with lan driver? or i dunno but feisty was working fine however EDGE DIDNT WORK! well worked first time after install didnt .
[07:25] <ray_> so i need to remove them and reinstall it
[07:25] <Crozar> savvas
[07:25] <ray_> but not untill i remove them tell me first
[07:26] <ray_> and redownlaod it
[07:26] <savvas> ray_: what kind of error?
[07:26] <ray_> broken packege err
[07:26] <ray_> or bad download err
[07:26] <ray_> savvas how do i remove them so get good one
[07:26] <savvas> scizzo-: cheers, looks like we'll have to wait :)
[07:27] <scizzo-> Crozar: well compiz screenlets might be....um not working...
[07:27] <scizzo-> savvas: yeah
[07:27] <ray_> i see mno help:(
[07:27] <Crozar> savvas in conclusion edge had a problem with my laptop internet didnt work means i couldnt surf no we're i have my ip i see my lan people and i can login to my router but couldnt go online . with feisty i didnt have a problem but now with 7.10 gusty i have a problem like edge
[07:27] <ray_> savvas how do i remove them
[07:27] <savvas> ray_: can you paste the error in http://pastebin.ca or somewhere?
[07:28] <scizzo-> Crozar: just to be sure.....you know that gutsy still is beta?
[07:28] <Crozar> scizzo- compiz and screenlets i did install in feisty then updated my system to gusty but then compiz is still theyr i thought compiz is implemented inside gusty so should have i uninstalled it manually before i updated to gusty?
[07:28] <ray_> not asking for that tell me got bad download
[07:28] <ray_> and no to remove them
[07:28] <scizzo-> Crozar: compiz-fusion is yes...
[07:29] <savvas> look man, I don't really understand what's the problem until I see the error
[07:29] <jussi01> hmmm, an xorg experts here?
[07:29] <jussi01> any*
[07:29] <scizzo-> jussi01: maybe ask the question and find out?
[07:30] <savvas> ray_: you can edit your repository list with: gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:30] <scizzo-> Crozar: well first thing first....the internet access thing....
[07:30] <ray_> why i need this
[07:30] <jussi01> scizzo-, My screen is bigger than the monitor...
[07:30] <scizzo-> Crozar: what exactly can you see and not see?
[07:30] <ray_> savvas i asked how i get rid of repoitory downlaod tell me i need to do this first
[07:30] <scizzo-> jussi01: ok....tried changing the resolution?
[07:30] <Crozar> scizzo- ok its beta but lets keep that aside , ( ubuntu Edge version 6 ) didnt work
[07:30] <savvas> ray_: what command do you do?
[07:31] <frostburn> jussi01, you need to remove the Virtual Monitor size in you xorg, and edit out the sizes that don't exist
[07:31] <scizzo-> Crozar: edge???
[07:31] <ray_> to remove the respoitory download
[07:31] <kRush> ray_, man apt-get
[07:31] <ray_> tell me i need to remove them all befor i can install anything
[07:31] <jussi01> frostburn, ok, Ill give that a try
[07:31] <Crozar> scizzo- with edge internet wasnt working same problem as gusty
[07:31] <Dr_willis> Wifes tryint to edit some wavs into ring tones under windows. Shes using AUdicty right now. anyone reccomend a more 'idiot friendly' tool? :) (yes i am NOT letting her read this message)
[07:31] <savvas> ray_: what command did you do that broke the repository
[07:31] <ray_> all will not even let me install none untill i do this
[07:32] <Crozar> scizzo- i didnt uninstall compiz and my compiz acted weird the menu bar over each windows doesnt anymore lol i think my twaeking for fesity all has gone now :(
[07:32] <savvas> Dr_willis: yes, virtual machine software heh :)
[07:32] <jussi01> frostburn, I dont seem to have those in there...
[07:32] <kRush> Crozar, install the compiz meta package, it was missing here too
[07:33] <savvas> ray_: I don't understand you, and sorry, have to go
[07:33] <ray_> savas chache
[07:33] <frostburn> jussi01, pastebin your xorg, and i'll take a look
[07:33] <ray_> spelled it worng
[07:33] <Crozar> sorry for the late replies because a  friend came to visit me and says u know the thing u talked about that software it sux i was :@ then she said my teacher says windows is like getting ur right hand to ur right ear but with linux is getting ur hand over the head then holding the left ear i was :@@@@@ good thing i said tell her whats better mac or windows if she said windows il sennd my regard faxed spank
[07:34] <jussi01> !paste
[07:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[07:35] <jussi01> frostburn, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39171/
[07:35] <rico> hey everyone.
[07:35] <frostburn> jussi01, what size is your monitor?
[07:35] <ray_> jussi01 i need to clean out the repositor cache how do i
[07:35] <Crozar> scizzo- ok so i try to format and install 7.10 full?
[07:35] <ray_> still hanging around
[07:35] <rico> my busy cursor seems to have disappeared (using any theme). running gnome+compizfusion+emerald here. anyone got any clue to what could've happened?
[07:35] <jussi01> frostburn, 22" 1680x1050
[07:36] <scizzo-> Crozar: actually.....all you have done so far is actually to confuse me
[07:36] <rico> whenever there's supposed to be a busy cursor, i get no cursor at all
[07:36] <scizzo-> Crozar: I am not sure what the problem is exactly more then a bunch of text about different things going wrong from feisty -> gutsy upgrade
[07:36] <Crozar> scizzo- ok this is it ( i have feisty with all the things i had tweaked for compiz and many other stuff like xorg ) ----> i updated to gusty ---> ( now internet is not working things got weird xorg is unaxesible )
[07:37] <scizzo-> Crozar: right ok.....is it a wireless connection?
[07:37] <Crozar> scizzo- with Edge 6.10 i think or was it 6.4? well that had a problem no internet aswell
[07:37] <ray_> any one here see my q
[07:37] <Crozar> scizzo- LAN laptop normal cat4
[07:37] <ray_> seems like no one wiloing to help me
[07:37] <ray_> :(
[07:37] <Crozar> scizzo- i can connect with my router with the people whos on my local but not online.
[07:38] <scizzo-> Crozar: ok.....and ifconfig and so on gives you ip?
[07:38] <Crozar> ray_ hang on me u might wait for version 8 of ubuntu lo
[07:38] <Crozar> scipio yes 192.168.1.3
[07:38] <ray_> whats that
[07:38] <scizzo-> Crozar: ok and you can ping www.google.com?
[07:38] <Crozar> actually im on windows now i booted it coz my ubuntu is a disgrace atm
[07:39] <scizzo-> Crozar: if you get a timeout....then try to ping the  ip from that adress
[07:39] <ray_> crozar will use this but that use to hjhave a remove button in last one thay removed it and cant clean my cache now how do i
[07:39] <jussi01> frostburn, https://acc.acme.lt/item/87881 <--- thats the monitor
[07:39] <Crozar> cant ping them nothing works trust me i know enough of networking im angry i went with stuff like arping my router manually and still doesnt work
[07:39] <Crozar> scizzo- Live CD on gusty also doesnt work BUTTT ON EDGE LIVE CD WORKS =/
[07:40] <Crozar> this is weird i dont want gusty to end up not working for my laptop LAN or somehting like that i might stick with feisty until verison 8
[07:40] <ray_> crozar see my q to you
[07:40] <Crozar> ray_ i might give up and let my laptop with feisty and use gusty for my pc :(
[07:40] <scizzo-> Crozar: nothing works.....I have never heard that one before
[07:40] <frostburn> jussi01, kk,  when you type $xrandr does it say 1680x1050 ?
[07:40] <ray_> ok crozar do you know how to remove them?
[07:41] <Crozar> scizzo- trust me if i come to ur house and show u ( this might be a dejavu bug that is important )
[07:41] <scizzo-> Crozar: can you then try to connect the machine directly to the internet without connecting it to the router and see if you can get a IP then ping
[07:41] <scizzo-> Crozar: I don't trust anyone
[07:41] <Crozar> scizzo- how can i connect directly
[07:41] <jussi01> frostburn, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39172/
[07:42] <Crozar> scizzo- ? gusty was nice because it detected my 56k MODEM !!! but my lan is theyr ip all is good roaming mod is ok everything good gatway also i know all those stuff but internet not workING~!
[07:42] <jussi01> frostburn, I have it set at 1440x900 right now
[07:42] <frostburn> jussi01, and that still makes it off the screen?
[07:42] <jussi01> frostburn, no
[07:42] <scizzo-> Crozar: your router is getting a IP from a DHCP?
[07:42] <Crozar> scizzo- just tell me i can do this go to feisty and take all the network config and dll's and put it with gusty>? if it works then wala a configuration problem if not then maybe registy problem or some kind of linux conflict with my hardware por something
[07:43] <Crozar> my router detects me yes crozar 192.168.1.3
[07:43] <jussi01> but it is quite fuzzy, as if it had been squashed or something
[07:44] <scizzo-> Crozar: honestly...mate...I have given you several things you can try....the actual answer you are giving me is "nothing works" without even trying to check them from the things I have told you....
[07:44] <frostburn> jussi01, can you do a xrandr -s 1680x1050
[07:44] <jussi01> frostburn, off the screen now
[07:44] <scizzo-> Crozar: I belive that there is something wrong on the side where the traffic is trying to go router -> internet...
[07:45] <Crozar> scizzo- i told u this same problem happened to me with UBUNTU Edge verison 6 , i tried many methods which i understand about MCT networking and well nothing worked ur idea's i tested before . sooo im telling u that gusty is a revised veriosn of edge but not from feisty its like we're going backwards another frontier
[07:45] <scizzo-> Crozar: or even DNS problems on the machine it self...that it is not getting the gateway
[07:46] <scizzo-> Crozar: well you have not really given me a result to go on either....
[07:46] <scizzo-> Crozar: you say that you get to the router and to the people inside the router....however not from router -> internet....
[07:46] <Crozar> scizzo- i meant that edge didnt work with my inteernet and nobody have heard about this kind of problem ( but yes with researches about 11 days i picked up something , hardware problem with internet LAN and wireless sometimes have sideeffects and must get lib files ect.. to fix it and tweak some things ) but no one until now told me how
[07:46] <Crozar> scizzo- yes its from the system trust me why did feisty work? and edge and gusty didnt
[07:47] <scizzo-> Crozar: so.....what happens when you ping or access a site....does it say that it can't resolve the address or something simular?
[07:47] <scizzo-> Crozar: these are the things that are important.....saying its not working can be 1000000 things
[07:47] <frostburn> jussi01, head to #xorg i'll be in there too
[07:47] <Crozar> it says conecting also in irc says connect,.... for long long time then timeout
[07:47] <Crozar> well not working i meant by it is the deadline lo
[07:48] <jussi01> frostburn, ok, im there
[07:48] <Crozar> scizzo- :( il go back to feisty
[07:49] <Crozar> scizzo- i hope this problem will not be on the later verions :( and im hopeing of installing gusty on my PC and hope it willwork :(
[07:49] <hetauma> !mouse
[07:49] <ubotu> Enabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto
[07:51] <Crozar> !version
[07:51] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[07:51] <Crozar> !shell
[07:51] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[07:51] <Crozar> !versions
[07:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about versions - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:51] <ray_> will not remove mplayer packege
[07:51] <ray_> still thing the download file is ther
[07:51] <Crozar> ray_ use autoremove
[07:51] <ray_> i did
[07:51] <ray_> will agen
[07:51] <Crozar> ray_ no
[07:52] <ray_> crozar what now
[07:52] <Crozar> ray_ lets wait for version 8 because i think 8 will have a good release
[07:52] <Crozar> ray_ stick with feisty
[07:52] <ray_> crozar of ubuntu
[07:52] <ray_> 7.10
[07:52] <ray_> ?
[07:52] <Crozar> 7.3
[07:52] <ray_> ok
[07:52] <ray_> when will it be comming out
[07:52] <kfazz> theres a folder under my home called logs
[07:52] <kfazz> it's full of acpi logs
[07:52] <kfazz> anyone know why?
[07:53] <Crozar> im angry lo
[07:53] <Crozar> what is the name of the ubuntu verison 8>?
[07:53] <hetauma> !emerald
[07:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emerald - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:53] <hetauma> why there is no emerald-themes in gutsy?
[07:53] <savvas> hetauma: there is no beryl
[07:54] <Dr_willis> Heh - i saw a emerald package.. :) not that it did anything other then add an icon/setting
[07:54] <savvas> emerald - Decorator for compiz-fusion
[07:54] <savvas> ah true
[07:54] <hetauma> savvas, but emerald works fine with compiz fusion. or there is something else that replaces it?
[07:54] <savvas> maybe they have the themes in their website
[07:55] <philip> emerald used to be loaded with some themes...now there's 0
[07:55] <hetauma> actually u can "fetch" themes from within emerald but it doesn't work
[07:56] <kRush> kfazz, check /etc/syslog.conf
[07:56] <hetauma> u can fetch though non-GPL'ed themes
[07:58] <scizzo-> Crozar: look I can't help you since you are not really up for giving me answers really
[07:58] <kfazz> thanks
[07:58] <scizzo-> Crozar: I have giving you many things to actually test but the only thing I get is that its not working not what the result is .....
[07:58] <scizzo-> Crozar: so I have nothing to go on really
[07:58] <Crozar> scizzo- il wait for verison 8 its ok il live with feisty and im fine with it but for PC il go for gusty =)
[07:59] <Crozar> scizzo- thanks for thehelp -) but il use gusty either way on pc but for laptop i dont use much just open office and internet and kopete =)
[07:59] <Crozar> thanks all
[07:59] <Crozar> gtg to format now =/
[08:00] <scizzo-> jesus
[08:00] <kfazz> kRush: nothing relating to acpi or to ~/logs in syslog.conf, and i've never modified it
[08:01] <raymondjtoth>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY piperpiper
[08:01] <scizzo-> raymondjtoth: hmmm
[08:01] <raymondjtoth> sorry for in herer wrong window
[08:01] <raymondjtoth> sed i need to join aq chanle
[08:02] <raymondjtoth> ok how i install mplayer firefoxcx playin
[08:02] <raymondjtoth> plugin i mean
[08:03] <Xero> Holy crap.
[08:03] <Xero> He needs to chnage his pass.
[08:03] <Xero> I'm sorry. He does, though.
[08:03] <Xero> raymondjtoth, you need to do this:
[08:03] <Xero> /msg nickserv set password (some new password)
[08:04] <raymondjtoth> ok
[08:04] <raymondjtoth> will do
[08:04] <Xero> You gave away your password in the channel, and that's not good.
[08:04] <philip> there's only 255 ppl in here who saw his pass, no worries
[08:04] <raymondjtoth> how i install the mplayer plujgin for firefox
[08:04] <Xero> 257, actually.
[08:04] <philip> minus himself
[08:04] <Xero> Oh.
[08:04] <Xero> 256
[08:04] <philip> and sparsex who just joined
[08:05] <Xero> I was the one who ghosted him. It was to teach a lesson, though.
[08:05] <sparsec> it's sparsec, philip, no sex involved :)
[08:05] <Xero> lol
[08:05] <kRush> kfazz, well you should probably find out what software generates those logs, lsof yould work for that or hints in the logs themselves
[08:05] <scizzo-> raymondjtoth: check in installable programs and use all installable resources or something....
[08:05] <kRush> *could
[08:05] <scizzo-> raymondjtoth: then search for mplayer
[08:05] <sparsec> I see I missed some seriously interesting stuff! Anyone giving away his password? :)
[08:05] <freelock> Hi, I had update-manager -d fail part way through installation
[08:05] <philip> yeah I wouldn't go a parsex for sex neither
[08:06] <philip> parsec
[08:06] <philip> gawd!
[08:06] <uga> is anyone else seeing something strange with the mouse cursors after the last updates?
[08:06] <uga> I believe due to xorg update
[08:06] <freelock> I think I've managed to complete the upgrade with dkpg-reconfigure -a, apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get autoremove...
[08:06] <freelock> Anything else I should do before rebooting?
[08:06] <Xero> I would go 10 parsecs for sex with an alien.
[08:07] <Xero> Crossbreeding FTW.
[08:07] <uga> once on the (kde) desktop, I get a strange cross cursor, as if it were about to capture a screenshot
[08:07] <sparsec> I know I've been asking this today, but anyone here with any experience with rt2500 in gutsy?
[08:07] <uga> it only happens since my last dist-upgrade, which seems to include some xorg-core update
[08:07] <kfazz> the logs don't have any info, tehy just look like acpi state changes
[08:07] <kfazz> lsof didn't work, i tried that before
[08:07] <kfazz> they seem like tehy're written to every few sconds, but they're not continuously open
[08:08] <raymondjtoth> how i purge the setting on mplayer
[08:08] <philip> if you were to travel 10 parsecs to hump a young teenage alien, you would probably find an aging alien there instead
[08:08] <raymondjtoth> so its default
[08:09] <philip> einstein's general/special theory (forgot which)
[08:09] <raymondjtoth> dose any one know how to purge the mplayer for defrault setting
[08:10] <sparsec> there should be an .mplayer directory or file in your home I think
[08:10] <sparsec> so either dig in, or delete it
[08:10] <raymondjtoth> sparsec nope
[08:11] <raymondjtoth> how i get ride of it auto clean
[08:11] <uga|away> it seems it's related to kde release, rather than xorg
[08:11] <uga|away> as starting an X server alone doesn't have the same effect
[08:11] <sparsec> wait a sec - you mean returning to default settings or removing it from hdd?
[08:12] <raymondjtoth> sparec both
[08:12] <raymondjtoth> sparsec how do i do this
[08:12] <raymondjtoth> ?
[08:12] <raymondjtoth> with mplayer
[08:12] <raymondjtoth> i just removed it
[08:13] <uga> raymondjtoth: rm -rf $(HOME)/.mplayer shulud remove all your settings
[08:13] <kfazz> acpi packages installed: acpid, acpi-support, acpid, acpitool
[08:13] <sparsec> well it should be pretty straightforward - sudo apt-get remove mplayer && sudo apt-get clean
[08:13] <raymondjtoth> uga i get cant fine it
[08:13] <raymondjtoth> wee
[08:14] <kfazz> aaah i figured it out.. it's my gnome-panel temperature monitor
[08:14] <KanRiNiN> Hey guys.  I botched the Gutsy upgrade and am getting device-mapper errors that prevent me from doing anything, similar to herehttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=522820.  However, I cannot log in at all
[08:14] <usser> does anyone use kde here?
[08:14] <raymondjtoth> sparsec dose that remove all thing
[08:15] <cdm10> The new gnome-power-manager features are really great.
[08:15] <sparsec> raymond: clean removes all downloaded packages
[08:15] <bullgard4> Of what release number is the Kexi DEB program package in Gutsy?
[08:15] <sparsec> as for the rest
[08:15] <raymondjtoth> jow do i do this
[08:15] <sparsec> if it depends on mplayer
[08:15] <cdm10> raymondjtoth: It doesn't remove them, but it deletes the cached .deb package files, just want to clear that up.
[08:15] <raymondjtoth> sparsec
[08:15] <cdm10> I assume you're talking about apt-get clean
[08:15] <raymondjtoth> sparsec how i do this use to be a button
[08:16] <sparsec> cdm10 that's what I meant
[08:16] <philip> where do you guys get emerald themes? should I just get it from beryl-project.org?
[08:16] <cdm10> ok
[08:16] <cdm10> philip: try gnome-look.org, they have some... and they link to some other sites to find them.
[08:16] <sparsec> philip you can download them via emerald conf manager, or whatever the thing is called
[08:16] <sparsec> raymond I don't know about any button for this
[08:16] <philip> cdm10, will do thanks. The emrald conf manager's fetch feature doesn't work
[08:17] <uga> bullgard4: kexi 1.1.3
[08:17] <nosrednaekim> philip: I got mine from kde-look
[08:17] <sparsec> philip oh well thought it did - at least for me
[08:17] <nosrednaekim> sparsec: emeral-theme-manager
[08:17] <sparsec> although it took a whole eternity to down them all
[08:17] <bullgard4> uga: That is the same release number as in Feisty, isn't it?
[08:17] <uga> bullgard4: no idea. No feisty boxes here
[08:18] <sparsec> nosrednaekim yes, that's exactly what I meant :)
[08:18] <bullgard4> uga: right.
[08:18] <nosrednaekim> :)
[08:18] <uga> so nobody here is seeign this strange cross mouse cursor when starting up kde first time?
[08:18] <uga> I just would like to confirm it's not my own broken .kde :/
[08:18] <nosrednaekim> uga: that my feinrd is the evil take over of XGL
[08:18] <nosrednaekim> uga: does the screen flicker a little when it appears?
[08:18] <uga> nosrednaekim: uhm? I'm not using compiz by default
[08:18] <uga> no
[08:18] <uga> well... it does blink I think, yes
[08:19] <raymondjtoth> how do i remove a folder that has root provige
[08:19] <nosrednaekim> uga: but do you have xgl installed?
[08:19] <uga> no, I use xorg
[08:19] <sparsec> raymond with sudo
[08:19] <uga> or should be... a sec
[08:19] <sparsec> sudo rmdir <foldername>
[08:19] <nosrednaekim> uga: check to see if you have xgl installed
[08:19] <raymondjtoth> yes but i keep for geting the sudo command
[08:19] <cdm10> !tab | sparsec
[08:19] <ubotu> sparsec: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[08:19] <uga> nosrednaekim: Package xserver-xgl is not installed, so not removed
[08:19] <uga> no
[08:20] <nosrednaekim> hmm odd.
[08:20] <raymondjtoth> sparsec tewlling me its in a diretory
[08:20] <raymondjtoth> what i do now
[08:20] <sparsec> I suppose every day one learns something new. At least I did now with tab. Dunno if it's auto but thanks :)
[08:20] <nosrednaekim> does kde ever start?
[08:20] <raymondjtoth> i see mplayer folder need to remove it
[08:20] <uga> nosrednaekim: yes, and compiz runs fine if I start it
[08:20] <nosrednaekim> uga: so I guess you use aiglx.
[08:20] <raymondjtoth> but its in a dirtory
[08:20] <uga> nosrednaekim: yes, nvidia binary, here
[08:20] <sparsec> raymondjtoth: if you want to delete the whole directory with all its content, use "sudo rm -r <directory name>"
[08:20] <nosrednaekim> uga: very odd... maybe its an nvidia thing
[08:20] <uga> nosrednaekim: the strange thing is that running xorg doesn't give me this cursor
[08:21] <uga> only at the end of kde loading it turns up
[08:21] <uga> it's a cursor like vertical and horizontal cross
[08:21] <uga> not the diagonal of the default xorg
[08:21] <nosrednaekim> oh....hmmm.
[08:21] <uga> as if it were to pick a point, or ascreenshot or...
[08:21] <nosrednaekim> k screenshot maybe?
[08:22] <uga> oh, found it... wtf...
[08:22] <uga> nosrednaekim: when starting up kde something keeps running "import"
[08:22] <uga> I wonder what's doing that
[08:22] <nosrednaekim> what?
[08:22] <nosrednaekim> inport what?
[08:22] <uga> yeah, I saw the process
[08:22] <uga> import, it's a screenshot tool
[08:22] <uga> import  -  saves any visible window on an X server and outputs it as an image file.
[08:23] <uga> what on earth is running it now :/
[08:23] <nosrednaekim> heh... wow.
[08:23] <raymondjtoth> still defaulting to other setting i had
[08:23] <raymondjtoth> will not remove all spasec
[08:24] <nosrednaekim> maybe you have it as an autostarted app
[08:24] <uga> nosrednaekim: either somebody is hacking my box, or somebody added a import command by mistake to a kde package ;)
[08:24] <raymondjtoth> what i do to return it to dauflt setting mplayer
[08:24] <raymondjtoth> default
[08:25] <kRush> raymondjtoth, move/rename/delete ~/.mplayer
[08:25] <raymondjtoth> how i del it
[08:26] <kRush> raymondjtoth, man rm
[08:26] <raymondjtoth> thats text
[08:26] <kRush> oh noez you have to read?
[08:27] <calmario> Hello, How do I add workspaces in gutsy?
[08:27] <_dan_> compiz or metacity?
[08:27] <raymondjtoth> krush i did this sudo rm -r and you dirctory
[08:27] <nosrednaekim> calmario: gnome I assume
[08:27] <calmario> yup
[08:27] <cdm10> calmario: right click on the workspaces applet, and go to preferences.
[08:27] <nosrednaekim> _dan_: there is KDE too ;)
[08:27] <raymondjtoth> ok is it gone any were eles i need to delete it from?
[08:27] <_dan_> nosrednaekim kde? never heared of :P
[08:28] <cdm10> calmario: unless you're using effects... then you have to install the package compizconfig-settings-manager and we'll go from there.
[08:28] <calmario> yeah I'm using effects
[08:28] <kRush> raymondjtoth, then it's back to defaults
[08:28] <nosrednaekim> _dan_: :)
[08:29] <ghaith> calmario: the only way i've found to add more is to install the compiz settings package and do it from there
[08:29] <uga> nosrednaekim: okay,... something is running "import commands"
[08:29] <cdm10> calmario: so, run the command < sudo aptitude install compizconfig-settings-manager > and then we'll start from there.
[08:29] <uga> and thus stores a poscript file with a screenshot of whatever you click on the desktop, first
[08:29] <uga> silly bug
[08:29] <JAMEZ> hi i need help.. i want to try 7.10.. how can i update using the CD i burn
[08:29] <calmario> Is it different from CompizConfig Manager?
[08:29] <gnomefreak> JAMEZ: not the best idea right now
[08:29] <cdm10> calmario: When that's done, just tell me, and I'll walk you through adding more.
[08:29] <cdm10> JAMEZ: You can't, and you shouldn't.
[08:30] <ghaith> i think that's the package, it's not default, oyu need to install it
[08:30] <JAMEZ> so that mean i should wait until next month?
[08:30] <uga> is "import commands" meant to be some python library importing method or similar?
[08:30] <calmario> ghaith: I already have it
[08:30] <cdm10> JAMEZ: the only way to upgrade is from the alternate CD and from the repositories, but you should really wait 'till the release... it's got some big bugs.
[08:30] <nosrednaekim> uga: that IS python for that.
[08:30] <nosrednaekim> and commands is a python module.
[08:30] <JAMEZ> ahh  ok tnx a lot @ cdm10
[08:30] <uga> nosrednaekim: my bet is it's running something as a system call, instead of importing the module
[08:30] <nosrednaekim> (I just checked)
[08:31] <raymondjtoth> ty krush
[08:31] <ghaith> how can i change the default power profiles? i want cpu cloak to be always max
[08:31] <nosrednaekim> uga: go to #kubuntu-devel
[08:31] <ghaith> calmario: then check general settings
[08:31] <uga> nosrednaekim: ah, thanks, sure
[08:31] <calmario> okay
[08:32] <nosrednaekim> calmario: open the settings manager go to "general" and set the # up horizontal spaces to a higher #
[08:32] <cdm10> calmario: look for "horizontal size" and set that to however many you want.
[08:33] <calmario> Ah. That's it. Thanks a lot guys
[08:35] <cdm10> The Pidgin version should really be upgraded despite the fact that the upstream version freeze was a while ago.
[08:35] <cdm10> The current version has a security problem: http://pidgin.im/news/security/?id=23
[08:36] <awkorama> hi allz
[08:36] <raymondjtoth> got  a plublem with mplayer
[08:36] <raymondjtoth> i have real player in here from real and mplayer want to play the real file in firefox how i fix thsi so real playe them for real file
[08:37] <raymondjtoth> and not mplayer for real file
[08:37] <raymondjtoth> ?
[08:37] <raymondjtoth> but other wide great
[08:38] <ghaith> raymondjtoth: try the firefox prefrences, you can manage the default programs
[08:38] <Brucevdk> raymondjtoth: you'd probably have to muck around with mozplugger
[08:38] <raymondjtoth> were that
[08:38] <cdm10> The firefox plugin preferences suck, but they might work.
[08:38] <raymondjtoth> ghaith were in there do i go
[08:38] <Brucevdk> I personally never have any problems playing anything with mplayer (mozilla-mplayer for embedding)
[08:39] <ghaith> raymondjtoth: try content -> file types
[08:39] <Brucevdk> most cases it's just a codec problem, w32codecs from Medibuntu solves most of those
[08:39] <ghaith> raymondjtoth: also check the default gnome player for the type you're playing
[08:40] <raymondjtoth> ty ghaith got it
[08:40] <uga> nosrednaekim: thanks btw. Issue is known, and patch on the way...
[08:40] <uga> it was a python script indeed
[08:41] <ghaith> any ideas on how to control the cpu frequency? i want to disable the frequency scaling and keep the cpu at full speed all the time..
[08:42] <cdm10> ghaith: Why would you want that?
[08:42] <ghaith> well my cpu keeps running on 800mhz, i never notice that it goes higher even if i have the ondemand settings, i want ot preserve the speed..
[08:43] <ghaith> also the performance profile gets back to 800mhz..
[08:43] <cdm10> ghaith: So, you're saying that it never goes higher than 800 Mhz, even under full load?
[08:43] <Brucevdk> ghaith: after you finish the convo with cdm10, try cpufrequtils (and sensors-applet for a little applet, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets" to enable non-root users to set freq)
[08:44] <ghaith> yeah, at least  it has been for the last 30 min
[08:44] <Brucevdk> oh wait might not be sensors-applets
[08:44] <ghaith> let me try to load sth..
[08:44] <ghaith> Brucevdk: already enabled, i set it to 2GHz and it goes back directly to 800mhz
[08:44] <Dr_willis> darn it. removeabel memory stick.. auto mounts.. user cant write to it..
[08:45] <Dr_willis> bug or a setting i need to set?
[08:45] <ghaith> it's getting higher when i load sth, well i guess it's good enough then.. let's try on battery
[08:45] <Brucevdk> ghaith: odd, even with userspace as governor?
[08:45] <ghaith> i dont' have that userspace
[08:46] <ghaith> on battery it doesn't go higher then 800
[08:46] <cdm10> ghaith: if it goes up when it's put under load, that's what's supposed to happen.
[08:46] <cdm10> ghaith: check in your power settings, it might let you set it to not keep it low on battery power.
[08:46] <bernier> Hi, my sound is working, but there's a huge "screechy cracking sound" when I play music and there's bass
[08:47] <cdm10> bernier: try turning "pcm" volume down a bit, and if that doesn't work, turn the actual volume of your player down.
[08:47] <ghaith> in the bios i've set it to high performance, i'll check again soon, as for gnome power settings, i havn't seen that option
[08:48] <ghaith> how can i install the governor userspace? or where do i enable it?
[08:49] <Brucevdk> ghaith: no no, when you use cpufreq-selector for example you can select governors, which control when the CPU frequency should be raised (there's ondemand, which'll raise it if the load increases for example)
[08:49] <bernier> cdm10 what should be the playback source?
[08:49] <Brucevdk> ghaith: userspace basically means it isn't going to touch it, it'll stay at whatever frequency the user selects
[08:49] <ghaith> oh ok, that i know, i though there's one more level to have it full power always.. performance seems to act a bit like ondemand
[08:50] <cdm10> bernier: sorry, what?
[08:50] <soc> hi
[08:50] <soc> pidgin 2.2.0 has a dos/securiy bug
[08:50] <ghaith> i dont' have a userspace mode in that case Brucevdk
[08:50] <cdm10> soc: yep, i just told 'em that.
[08:50] <soc> will it be updatetd to 2.2.1
[08:50] <soc> ah ok :-)
[08:50] <soc> didn't see you
[08:50] <cdm10> soc: My guess is probably.
[08:51] <bernier> cdm10 in volume control, there's the "playback" tab, which tracks actually plays my sound
[08:51] <cdm10> bernier: do you see "pcm" volume?
[08:51] <cdm10> bernier: I had that issue until i lowered it a bit.
[08:51] <bernier> cdm10 where should I see this
[08:52] <bernier> I can't find it
[08:52] <cdm10> bernier: In the volume control. Double-click the speaker icon.
[08:52] <cdm10> bernier: It may just be on my system, in which case I don't know how to help you.
[08:53] <ghaith> ok one more question, my wireless seems then usual, i have an ipw2200 card, i noticed that behavior recently on gentoo and now here on ubuntu.. is there a special config for it? my other pc is wired to the router and speed is normal..
[08:53] <cdm10> ghaith: your wireless seems than usual? you mean slower?
[08:53] <ghaith> yes sorry
[08:53] <ghaith> lol
[08:54] <_dan_> ghaith define slower
[08:54] <cdm10> Is it slow with starting a download, or through the entire download?
[08:54] <hetauma> linux equivalent for soulseek ?
[08:54] <ghaith> my download speed is 16KBps on my pc(wired to the router), 4KBs on the laptop
[08:55] <ghaith> hetauma: what's soulseek?
[08:56] <void^> !p2p
[08:56] <ubotu> Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[08:56] <hetauma> p2p
[08:56] <void^> thought nicotine was on there..
[08:57] <hetauma> void^, it is on the link :D
[08:59] <bernier> Hi, my sound is working, but there's a huge "screechy cracking sound" when I play music and there's bass
[09:07] <bernier> Hi, my sound is working, but there's a huge "screechy cracking sound" when I play music and there's bass, I have SB live! 24 bit
[09:08] <ghaith> try setting up your volume levels right, and install an equalizer
[09:09] <bernier> ghaith install an equalizer .. which?
[09:09] <ghaith> hmm, what music player are you using, must have one
[09:09] <hetauma> I think that I can't see with nautilus files and folders that have names in greek. any ideas why?
[09:10] <bernier> rythmbox
[09:11] <ghaith> i think gnome had a default equalizer, i just can't remember the name, i dono if it's installed in ubuntu..
[09:12] <jimmacdonald> OK I have two issues... both are carry overs from Fiesty. #1. ACPI and USB don't play nice. when I change power modes(unplug my laptop) It errors out on USB calls.
[09:12] <jimmacdonald> #2. when it does this and I reboot Kwallet and Knetwork manager break and I have to reboot to fix.
[09:15] <jimmacdonald> anyone got any ideas on how to fix them?
[09:23] <whitt> I'm getting a HAL Device Manager error.  It doesn't provide any information, it just says there's an error
[09:29] <hetauma> how can I see the files that have greek fonts from ntfs partitions ?
[09:41] <vonhalenbach> Which color has the xubuntu livecd shutdown message?
[09:41] <kRush> hetauma, append ,locale=whateverisgreek to your mount options
[09:41] <delight> since the latest updates my menu got lost in gnome + kde ... does someone know how to fix this ?
[09:42] <vonhalenbach> delight: Which menu?
[09:42] <Xero> Should I upload a tarball of Awn to my web server?
[09:43] <delight> vonhalenbach: programms menu
[09:43] <vonhalenbach> Where you login?
[09:43] <delight> i login from gdm to either kde oder gnome .. its gutsy with the latest updates
[09:44] <delight> and everything seems to work but the applications menu is empty
[09:44] <hetauma> kRush, ty
[09:44] <delight> in both kde and gnome
[09:44] <kRush> $ amixer set Center mute
[09:44] <kRush> amixer: Invalid command!
[09:44] <kRush> Got an idea why this is not working? %-values work fine
[09:44] <delight> this happened after i did another dist-ugprade
[09:44] <Xero> awn-window.c:109: error: WNCK_CLIENT_TYPE_PAGER undeclared (first use in this function)
[09:45] <Xero> What package am I missing?
[09:48] <vonhalenbach> delight: Strange. I can't help you. Sorry.
[09:48] <delight> vonhalenbach: could it have to do with the fact that i got ubuntustudio-audio installed additionally ?
[09:49] <delight> maybe because of the cascaded menu they got ... and some upgrade on xdg-menu or so which was incompatible
[09:49] <vonhalenbach> delight: Maybe. Did you try to deinstall it?
[09:49] <delight> the ubuntu studio audio package ?
[09:49] <delight> no ...  i did not
[09:49] <vonhalenbach> yes,
[09:49] <delight> i can thou
[09:50] <delight> but it was working up till a new upgrade
[09:50] <delight> then that problem appeared
[09:50] <delight> but i'll give it a shot
[09:50] <vonhalenbach> Ah. Then the last update has done the misconfiguration.
[09:50] <sn0wman> heya, one quick question, just installed Ubuntu with the livecd (alternative cd) and installation went fine. But when i startup the screen is blank.
[09:51] <sn0wman> last thing i can see is that grub is loading. and i can hear my hd working, so i guess it starts up.
[09:52] <sn0wman> but i can't see anything on the screen. :/
[09:52] <vonhalenbach> did you try the combination Ctrl+ Alt + F7 ?
[09:52] <sn0wman> ill try one sec.
[09:52] <vonhalenbach> yeah.
[09:52] <sn0wman> it's on my other comp here so :)
[09:53] <sn0wman> i installed it before any times but this is a new comp. never had any problems before so this is kinda annoying :)
[09:53] <sn0wman> many*
[09:53] <darrend> having major issues with the iwl4965 (net) driver in the beta which didn't happen in tribe5.  anyone else seeing this
[09:53] <darrend> ?
[09:53] <TuTUXG> is there no more 686 kernels for gutsy?
[09:53] <sn0wman> vonhalen: nothing happends :(
[09:54] <TuTUXG> i mean, officially
[09:54] <_dan_> TuTUXG its called -generic now
[09:54] <vonhalenbach> sn0wman: Then try the combination Ctrl+ Alt + F3 . This should bring you in to a terminal.
[09:54] <sn0wman> tryied them all
[09:55] <sn0wman> from 1-7
[09:55] <vonhalenbach> Hm..
[09:55] <sn0wman> i can get into terminal mode by using the cd
[09:55] <sn0wman> and rescue mode.
[09:55] <TuTUXG> _dan_, um... but generic kernel couldnt find my wireless nic
[09:55] <sn0wman> i checked syslog also, but didn't see anythig particular there iether :/
[09:56] <TuTUXG> _dan_, which works perfect with 386-kernel
[09:56] <_dan_> did u update lately?
[09:56] <sn0wman> vonhalen: my guess it has something todo with my gfx card and my tft screen somehow. cause it feels like everything is loaded and ready in the "background".
[09:58] <sn0wman> vonhalen: but i have no idea where to start looking for errors either.
[09:58] <vonhalenbach> sn0wman: I have this "in the background" here too, but it is only with the login screen. I have KDE and xfce.
[09:58] <sn0wman> oh ok
[09:58] <sn0wman> so if i try to login now?
[09:58] <sn0wman> nah nothing happend :/
[09:58] <fliegenderfrosch> how stable is gutsy beta already? is it more painful to install it already or to install feisty and do an upgrade in a few weeks?
[09:59] <sn0wman> and it refuses to go into terminal mode also :/
[09:59] <TuTUXG> _dan_, yes, as always, i always do what update manager tells me to...
[09:59] <_dan_> TuTUXG whats dmesg saying?
[09:59] <vonhalenbach> sn0wman: This sounds similar to my computer here.
[09:59] <sn0wman> found any wayarounds?
[10:00] <sn0wman> i can try take this crt monitor i have here and plug it in ho.
[10:00] <TuTUXG> _dan_, im on 386 kernel now...
[10:00] <vonhalenbach> I wait till my screen gets black after upstart and then go to F7. Then i can login and work.
[10:00] <sn0wman> but i rather want this to work since i just bought this tft screen for it.
[10:01] <sn0wman> yeah well i can't get into terminal at all :/
[10:01] <TuTUXG> _dan_, you want me to switch to generic and check dmesg?
[10:01] <vonhalenbach> it needs some time. Some seconds.
[10:01] <vonhalenbach> up to a minute.
[10:01] <syke_> ih
[10:01] <syke_> hi
[10:01] <_dan_> well if u want to fix your card, the best way is to look at the error logs right? :)
[10:01] <sn0wman> tried again :/ it's been up for atleast ~5min.
[10:02] <syke_> since I did the upgrade from feisty to gutsy, udevd is taking up between 50-75% of my CPU at all times
[10:02] <syke_> I have some other problems, but that is the most pressing since it makes my battery life quite low
[10:03] <syke_> anyone else know of this issue?
[10:03] <vonhalenbach> no
[10:03] <TuTUXG> _dan_, k, brb
[10:04] <_dan_> or at least ur able to post a proper bugreport then
[10:04] <syke_> in the dmesg output, I see a lot of this:
[10:04] <syke_> [ 6537.872000]  device-mapper: table: 254:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[10:04] <syke_> [ 6537.872000]  device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[10:04] <Ahadiel> bbl
[10:05] <syke_> I think it might be related, but I'm not sure what to do about it
[10:05] <syke_> any help is greatly appreciated
[10:06] <vonhalenbach> syke_: Maybe another kernel would help.
[10:06] <vonhalenbach> which kernel is it?
[10:06] <vonhalenbach> uname -a
[10:08] <syke_> Linux pretention 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 18:11:30 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[10:08] <syke_> the i386 kernel does the same, btw
[10:09] <TuTUXG> _dan_, pastebin?
[10:10] <_dan_> paste the relevant parts of your wlan stuff in pastebin
[10:10] <Xero> I got Awn to build. Just a checksum problem. The download had gone awry somewhere.
[10:11] <hetauma> amarok needs different codecs than rythmbox? I'm truing to listen to a stream that plays with rythmbox but amaroks needs codec
[10:11] <vonhalenbach> :)
[10:11] <BlueParrot> I fogured I'd update because I would be able to cope with bugs and hence might actually help a bit, and then my system goes and works flawlessly ...
[10:12] <BlueParrot> BAH!
[10:12] <Xero> hehehehe tiny 
[10:12] <vonhalenbach> Btw, there existed the bugreport about panel already. I just had to confirm it.
[10:14] <TuTUXG> _dan_, http://pastebin.com/m10878d17
[10:15] <_dan_> TuTUXG i had the exact same problem 1 week ago, it went away after some updates tho, are u sure u are using an up to date mirror? whats your kernel? uname -r
[10:15] <TuTUXG> _dan_, 2.6.22-12-generic
[10:16] <TuTUXG> _dan_, i think i have the rite repos, let me double check
[10:17] <BluesKaj> heh, 2.6.22-12 wouldn't even boot
[10:17] <_dan_> TuTUXG  i can suggets, reinstall the kernel+modules if thats not working file a bug report
[10:17] <_dan_> apt-get install --reinstall packagename in case
[10:19] <TuTUXG> _dan_, k, i will do that, another question is that the generic kernel has better performance than 386 kernel with my centrino 1.73?
[10:19] <BluesKaj> is the final release going to use the 2.6.22-12 kernel
[10:19] <TuTUXG> _dan_, im just not sure if i really need the generic kernel or not
[10:20] <syke_> vonhalen: anything else I should check for this udevd problem?
[10:20] <_dan_> i dont know how much the performance gain is
[10:20] <_dan_> if u got dual core u need genereic afaik, correct me if i am wrong
[10:20] <TuTUXG> but it's better?
[10:20] <TuTUXG> ya, but my isnt dual core
[10:21] <_dan_> i doubt u feel a difference
[10:21] <TuTUXG> hum...
[10:21] <_dan_> i had 386 kernel on my laptop for years
[10:21] <_dan_> since generic wasnt working properly
[10:21] <_dan_> still file a bugreport :)
[10:21] <TuTUXG> ya, i was using 686 kernels
[10:21] <syke_> my udevd is forever eating up about 75% of my CPU - anyone know how I can debug this problem further?
[10:22] <TuTUXG> but, watever, i will reinstall the kernel and check
[10:23] <sn0wman> vonhalen: i think i found something aout the black screen error.
[10:24] <sn0wman> vonhalen: seems that (in my case) grub is causing it, booting into somehing my screen can't show.
[10:24] <sn0wman> vonhalen: problem still remains tho, cause i have no idea how to fix it.
[10:24] <luca_> hi everyone
[10:24] <syke_> my /var/log/messages is filling up with this:
[10:24] <syke_> Sep 30 13:23:57 pretention kernel: [ 7734.540000]  device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[10:24] <syke_> Sep 30 13:23:57 pretention last message repeated 5 times
[10:24] <luca_> I have serious problems with network-manager
[10:24] <syke_> dmesg says this:
[10:24] <syke_> [ 7720.904000]  device-mapper: table: 254:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[10:24] <syke_> I suspect this is the issue, but I'm not sure how to fix it
[10:25] <syke_> can someone please help me?
[10:31] <kRush> is there an option to enable antialiasing in compiz?
[10:32] <BluesKaj> the startup file is obviously different on gutsy than feisty. Is it buried inside another file/app ?
[10:34] <hype_> kRush , query me if you find out
[10:34] <hype_> i had a ~/.fonts.conf, but i didnt back it up :(
[10:36] <syke_> ok
[10:37] <syke_> it looks like udevd is screwing up on this file:
[10:37] <syke_>  /etc/udev/rules.d/65-dmsetup.rules
[10:42] <HOT> hey, can anyone give me a command to return the name of my sound card at the CLI?
[10:42] <doublemike> lspci
[10:42] <HOT> ah right of course
[10:43] <HOT> got some updates last night and my AC97 audio has just stopped working, on a clean install
[10:43] <doublemike> I'm having trouble upgrading from 6.10 to 7.10
[10:43] <doublemike> I tried the update manager upgrade to 7.04, but it didn't work
[10:44] <doublemike> it doesn't seem to work without gnome
[10:46] <HOT> hahahhaha
[10:46] <Xero> Does anyone know a good media player?
[10:46] <_dan_> mplayer
[10:46] <HOT> oh that old gem, seems they have added more control over audio out, just needed to turn it up :)
[10:47] <Xero> One that doesn't either look like crap (vlc) or have no visualizations that don't look like crap (amarok)
[10:47] <HOT> Xero: im liking songbird
[10:47] <_dan_> mplayer
[10:47] <Xero> _dan_, does mplayer have any good viz?
[10:47] <redheat> hi everyone
[10:47] <_dan_> i dont know but it doesnt look like crap
[10:48] <HOT> http://www.songbirdnest.com/
[10:48] <redheat> guys you gotta helpme around here..
[10:48] <redheat> Ii'm totally pissed off with this comiz"confusion"  thingy
[10:48] <redheat> where can I set the settings for this twisted app?
[10:48] <redheat> whatever happened to that Beautiful Beryl?
[10:49] <DanaG> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[10:49] <ubotu> compizconfig-settings-manager: Compiz configuration settings manager. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2+git20070912-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 498 kB, installed size 3268 kB
[10:49] <DanaG> Gnome developers seem to overdo it on the 'simplicity' theme.
[10:49] <DanaG> Example: gnome-screensaver.  WTF?  All the settings are missing!
[10:49] <doublemike> Xero: totem?
[10:49] <redheat> Dana, Ubotu, I forgot to say I installed the new Nvidia Drivers using the usual way
[10:49] <redheat> and it rocks
[10:49] <Xero> doublemike, totem is slow.
[10:50] <DanaG> Oh, and with a notebook, try hotkey display switching some time.
[10:50] <doublemike> Xero: how so?
[10:50] <DanaG> That's been the subject of some recent updates.
[10:50] <Xero> doublemike, it plays movies slowly for me.
[10:50] <Xero> Xine plays them better.
[10:50] <Xero> I think I'll just use Xine for my media.
[10:50] <DanaG> Totem sucks at subtitles.
[10:50] <doublemike> Xero: that used to be the case for me too, but there's this weird hack to make it work
[10:51] <doublemike> totem sucks at almost everything
[10:51] <doublemike> but it was the only one that worked for me
[10:51] <Xero> Okay. I just integrated Xine into firefox with plugins and other things.
[10:51] <doublemike> btw, any idea how to do that with swiftfox?
[10:52] <isomorphism> Can someone help?  I just upgraded and cannot get past the initial setup of screen and graphics card.
[10:53] <Webbmaster> why can't i kdesu as another user on gutsy, but i could on feisty?
[10:54] <secleinteer> hi, i installed kde4 in gutsy, and i'm not getting the new kicker, or whatever it's called now
[10:54] <secleinteer> is this normal?
[10:54] <Webbmaster> secleinteer: i have the same problem
[10:54] <secleinteer> Webbmaster: did you install kdebase-workspace?
[10:54] <Webbmaster> secleinteer: do you just get a bar at the botom with two things along the line off: this thing can not be loaded
[10:54] <Webbmaster> secleinteer: yes
[10:55] <secleinteer> yeah, i get two bars
[10:55] <secleinteer> one*
[10:55] <secleinteer> with two things in it
[10:55] <Xero> How do i change keybindings in Xine?
[10:55] <secleinteer> and a button on the top left
[10:55] <secleinteer> for 'configuration'
[10:56] <Webbmaster> secleinteer: and its nearly unuseable :S
[10:56] <isomorphism> Does anyone know why I can't get past the initial setup of graphics card/screen in gutsy?
[10:56] <secleinteer> Webbmaster: it _is_ unusuable lol
[10:56] <secleinteer> unless you load kicker using 'run command'
[10:56] <secleinteer> and then it's not really kde4
[10:57] <Webbmaster> ah rite
[10:57] <Webbmaster> secleinteer: and you've got no more idea how to fix it than me? :S
[10:57] <secleinteer> Webbmaster: nope, i just installed it
[10:57] <secleinteer> good thing i did it in vmware and not with my actual install
[10:58] <secleinteer> Webbmaster: but when i load kde3 from the kdm, everything looks the same as before
[10:59] <Webbmaster> secleinteer: yeah, i gave up and switched back to kde3
[10:59] <TiaGo|SouZa> hey, two problems here
[10:59] <secleinteer> Webbmaster: you put it on your actual install?
[10:59] <Whoopie> hi, anybody with an ASUS laptop here?
[10:59] <TiaGo|SouZa> after doing today's update my wallpaper and icons has gone
[11:00] <TiaGo|SouZa> anybody knows what causes that?!
[11:00] <Webbmaster> secleinteer: yep
[11:00] <TiaGo|SouZa> I'm on XGL
[11:00] <secleinteer> Webbmaster: that's a little risky :P
[11:00] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: Does the problem persist outside of an XGL session?
[11:01] <TiaGo|SouZa> how do I get out of xgl in gutsy?!
[11:01] <TiaGo|SouZa> it starts automatically
[11:01] <secleinteer> TiaGo|SouZa: they don't want you getting out :P
[11:01] <contrast83> I would imagine the same way you did in Feisty. Can't you select a non-XGL session from the login screen?
[11:01] <markit> hi, I installed kubuntu 7.1 beta in a laptop of a friend of mine, and had some troubles
[11:01] <TiaGo|SouZa> that's what I've noticed
[11:01] <TiaGo|SouZa> :D
[11:01] <markit> first one, was with the installer and the partitions
[11:02] <TiaGo|SouZa> hm
[11:02] <TiaGo|SouZa> didn't tried that
[11:02] <TiaGo|SouZa> have to check
[11:02] <markit> (btw, is the right plate where talk about it? developers here?)
[11:02] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: Did you try just turning Compiz off?
[11:02] <TiaGo|SouZa> actually, no
[11:02] <secleinteer> lol
[11:03] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: GNOME, right?
[11:03] <TiaGo|SouZa> didn't work turn compiz off
[11:03] <TiaGo|SouZa> constrast, yeap
[11:03] <TiaGo|SouZa> well, at least my wallpaper reapeared
[11:04] <contrast83> Still no icons?
[11:04] <TiaGo|SouZa> but not the icons or the menu when I right click the mouse
[11:04] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: no icons
[11:04] <TiaGo|SouZa> anybody here suffered of this problem?!
[11:04] <TiaGo|SouZa> or am I alone?
[11:04] <isomorphism> On first boot of a Gutsy upgrade, does it look at the xorg.conf, or just go into some safe mode where it asks for driver info from you?
[11:05] <doublemike> before I upgrade, does xgl/compiz + cinerama/fglrx + xfce actually work in gutsy?
[11:05] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: Try a non-XGL session.
[11:05] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: ok
[11:05] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: but then I would not have compiz
[11:06] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: that's not really a problem, but is there a way to solve that without running out of xgl?!
[11:06] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: But then you'll know what the problem is.
[11:06] <TiaGo|SouZa> hm
[11:06] <TiaGo|SouZa> you're right
[11:06] <contrast83> :-)
[11:07] <TiaGo|SouZa> :D
[11:07] <Xero> Any media player besides Amarok capable of minimizing into the tray? (Alltray+compiz=NO!)
[11:07] <contrast83> If it turns out it's a problem with Compiz, you might ask around in #compiz-fusion
[11:07] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: Is the missing icons/background the *only* problem, or did you notice any other weird behavior?
[11:07] <TiaGo|SouZa> well, until yesterday, everything was fine..today's upgrade did that
[11:08] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: there's other strange behaviour: everytime I boot, the resolution of my screen is at the maximum value, 1400xsomething else
[11:08] <markit> well, the installer did not tried to use the empty, not already created GB free space, but wanted to "resize" existing winXP ones, sounds not good, isn't it?
[11:08] <TiaGo|SouZa> and I have to settle it to 1280x1024 manually
[11:08] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: That's something in your xorg.conf, most likely
[11:09] <TiaGo|SouZa> hm
[11:09] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: If you want, pastebin your xorg.conf and I'll have a look at it.
[11:09] <TiaGo|SouZa> is there a "GUI" way to resolve it?! (I know how to manually edit the xorg, but I'm afraid of doing that)
[11:09] <contrast83> markit: Did you try doing the partitions manually?
[11:10] <TiaGo|SouZa> let me see my xorg
[11:10] <isomorphism> Sorry for asking so many times, but I'm desperately trying to get this machine to work.  I can't get through the first boot (stuck on choosing a graphics card).  Suggestions/Help please?
[11:10] <contrast83> The automatic partitioner sucks. You're better off doing it manually so you can set seperate partitions for / and /home
[11:10] <markit> contrast83: yes, at the end I was able to do, but I'm here to report a intallation problem (bug report), is it the right place?
[11:10] <contrast83> isomorphism: What card?
[11:10] <contrast83> markit: launchpad.net
[11:10] <isomorphism> contrast83, it's an nvidia 6600
[11:10] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: another problem: programs and windows aren't opening
[11:11] <TiaGo|SouZa> :P?
[11:11] <TiaGo|SouZa> let me try to reboot
[11:11] <contrast83> markit: Search around on there and make sure no one reported it already
[11:11] <TiaGo|SouZa> maybe out of xgl
[11:11] <TiaGo|SouZa> I'll be right back
[11:11] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: No need to reboot
[11:11] <contrast83> agh
[11:12] <cypherdelic> Good Evening. I have to solve a problem. In my network there are two Samba Servers runnign as Shares, one is Windows XP and one is Linux. The Linux One (current beta) doesnt show ANY host in the Nautilus Network, even the Windows Network is empty. Shared Folders Service is running, Folders are Shared and Mountpoints are available. Please help. Both mashines can ping each other. Internet works great on both.
[11:12] <markit> contrast83: ah, I should register first, but I'm not a regular ubuntu user, sigh
[11:13] <cypherdelic> i cant even watch my own shares, i gues something is wrong
[11:16] <isomorphism> anyone else experience problems getting gutsy to boot for the first time with an nvidia card?
[11:18] <scizzo-> isomorphism: I got nvidia card
[11:18] <isomorphism> scizzo-, did you have any problems when you first installed or upgraded to gutsy?
[11:19] <isomorphism> scizzo-, I can't get past the screen/graphics card setup screen (new with gutsy?)
[11:19] <scizzo-> isomorphism: well.....a few changes here and there and it works ok
[11:19] <scizzo-> isomorphism: new card?
[11:20] <Lilacor> how do I change what compiz fusion plugins are configured?
[11:20] <isomorphism> scizzo-, it's an older card.  a geforce 6600.  I don't understand what gutsy is doing.  Why it won't allow me to bypass this initial setup of screen/graphics card.
[11:24] <DanaG> Debconf for Xorg really needs a "Leave my setup alone!" option.
[11:25] <isomorphism> scizzo-, I managed to get to my desktop by replacing the xorg.conf with the failsafe version.  Thanks anyway
[11:26] <Lilacor> thank goodness for backup xorg.conf files.
[11:36] <tmatix> i just upgraded to gutsy beta, it's beautiful but now my workspaces/virtual desktops aren't working right and i can't find a section in the preferences to adjust them
[11:38] <tmatix> it seems as though gnome and compiz disagree about how many workspaces i have
[11:39] <gnomefreak> tmatix: yeah thats been a bug since like june
[11:44] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: hey
[11:44] <TiaGo|SouZa> everything fine here
[11:44] <TiaGo|SouZa> :D
[11:45] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: Congrats
[11:45] <hetauma> there is no ubuntuguide fro gutsy?
[11:45] <contrast83> AmyRose: What card?
[11:46] <AmyRose> contrast83: It doesn't seem to matter what card since a bug has been filed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/147070
[11:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147070 in gnome-panel "bottom panel not visible when desktop starts" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[11:46] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: the resolution problem I worked out editing manually xorg, and the other one didn't show up anymore after I turn compiz off and restart the system
[11:46] <hetauma> tmatix, do you have compiz settings manager?
[11:47] <TiaGo|SouZa> this is happening frequently, after the update, I have to turn something off and restart the system
[11:47] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: anyway, thanks for the help, man
[11:47] <TiaGo|SouZa> :)
[11:47] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: No problem
[11:47] <AmyRose> Why would there be an ubuntuguide for gutsy?
[11:48] <TiaGo|SouZa> does anybody here know if the final artwork is already in the gutsy beta?!
[11:48] <tmatix> hetauma: nope, installing it now
[11:48] <TiaGo|SouZa> or will it be added in the final release?!
[11:48] <bascule> beryl: decoration: property ignored because version is 20070319 and decoration plugin version is 20061011 << you guys aware of this?
[11:49] <hetauma> tmatix, go there and under general options set the horizontal virtual size to +1 of the number of desktops you want :D
[11:50] <nosrednaekim> bascule: why are you using beryl on gutsy?
[11:50] <bascule> well because compiz doesn't give me the cube, and beryl doesn't give me emerald, gotta be a connection ... :)
[11:51] <tmatix> hetauma: wow, that works great :) thanks much
[11:51] <contrast83> bascule: Your version of Emerald is older than your version of Beryl
[11:51] <Xero> gnomefreak, what?
[11:51] <bascule> contrast83: yeah I guessed that, I have done no manual installs this is out the repos
[11:51] <contrast83> bascule: Compiz gives you the cube. It's just not in the default settings in Gutsy's packages
[11:52] <bascule> /usr/bin/compiz.real (cube) - Warn: Failed to load slide: freedesktop <--connected to no cube?
[11:52] <contrast83> bascule: If you're intent on using Beryl, I'd suggest Shame's repo.
[11:52] <niekie> bascule: You can install a settings manager for Compiz which will allow you to use the cube.
[11:52] <bascule> niekie: it is installed
[11:52] <niekie> bascule: compizconfig-settings-manager
[11:52] <niekie> bascule: oh, ok :-)
[11:52] <tmatix> this settings app is ridiculous, now i'm going to go press all the buttons and break a bunch of things
[11:52] <contrast83> bascule: How are you starting Compiz?
[11:53] <bascule> niekie: ccsm and cuse is ticked
[11:53] <bascule> cube
[11:54] <hetauma> bascule, at general options/ Desktop size what is the No of horizontal virtula desktops ?
[11:54] <contrast83> tmatix: You can always delete ~/.config/compiz/compizconfig/Default.ini if you bork your Compiz settings. ;-)
[11:54] <bascule> contrast83: I kicked it off from the shell to see debug output if any
[11:54] <hetauma> bascule, and u have rotate cube enabled right?
[11:54] <AmyRose> Does anyone have the problem where the desktop window covers absolutely everything, or at least the bottom panel, when Compiz starts?
[11:54] <bascule> hetauma: yes, no cube and no top-right corner preview thingy either
[11:54] <contrast83> bascule: command?
[11:54] <bascule> compiz
[11:55] <AmyRose> I got this problem after the last round of Compiz updates
[11:55] <contrast83> AmyRose: I think I was having that problem the other day. I completely uninstalled Compiz from that system, haven't retried since.
[11:55] <nosrednaekim> AmyRose: hey... are you running XGL?
[11:55] <hetauma> bascule, but is it set to have 4 desktops so it becomes cuge?
[11:56] <AmyRose> nosrednaekim: No.
[11:56] <bascule> hetauma: i think this could be it ... :)
[11:56] <nosrednaekim> oh.ok... cause i'm having ANOTHER problem with compiz and Xgl
[11:56] <hetauma> bascule, actually it's a bit buggy so set it to 5 so u get 4 :D
[11:57] <SpiderPig> what will be new in gutsy gibbong?
[11:57] <contrast83> AmyRose: That was on my desktop which uses nVidia. I'm having no trouble on my laptop (ATI/AIGLX), which is why I was asking you which card earlier.
[11:57] <rafael> hi
[11:57] <TiaGo|SouZa> does anybody here know if the final artwork is already in the gutsy beta, or will it be added in the final release?
[11:57] <AmyRose> contrast83: Oh
[11:57] <AmyRose> I have Nvidia
[11:58] <RAOF> tmatix: Yes, we know that settings manager is pure distilled crazy.  That's why it's not installed by default :)
[11:58] <rafael> how can i start gnome-theme-manager at gutsy? i get command not found if i try it
[11:58] <AmyRose> RAOF: I can't stand Compiz without that tool
[11:58] <RAOF> rafael: You want gnome-appearance-properties instead.
[11:59] <contrast83> AmyRose: And when you move windows, do they leave trails?
[11:59] <contrast83> CCSM is the shizzle
[11:59] <AmyRose> contrast83: Not usually.
[11:59] <SpiderPig> will it be possible for me to upgrade to gutsy from fiesty fawn without burning and downloading a new verison?
[11:59] <TiaGo|SouZa> SpiderPig: yeap
[11:59] <AmyRose> I wish Compiz had the Force AIGLX option
[11:59] <rafael> RAOF: yes, thanks. :) why isn't it in the menu?
[11:59] <TiaGo|SouZa> SpiderPig: do u want to do it now, or wait for the final release?!
[11:59] <SpiderPig> sweet
[12:00] <bascule> hetauma: i have a cube :)
[12:00] <SpiderPig> i will wait for final release.  thank you sir.
[12:00] <hetauma> bascule, sweet
[12:00] <contrast83> AmyRose: Hmm... Not sure if we're talking about the same problem then. For me, the desktop window wasn't refreshing, so every bit of movement/effects/whatever left an imprint. Not sure if I'm putting that very clearly
[12:00] <SpiderPig> i am very new to linux so i cant program so i will wait when its finished. maybe i will install it on all computers i have and completely remove this filthy vista
[12:00] <AmyRose> contrast83: My problem is that Compiz seems to be mis-managing the desktop window, so it's showing up on top of EVERYTHING
[12:01] <contrast83> Yeah, mine did that too, actually
[12:01] <contrast83> It was back and forth between that, or what I was just describing.
[12:02] <bascule> hetauma: I have a 5 sided (non-cube) polygon, but it spins ... :D
[12:02] <contrast83> AmyRose: Icons on the desktop?
[12:02] <vonhalenbach> SpiderPig: Don't forget to backup your files.
[12:02] <AmyRose> contrast83: The desktop looks and behaves completely normal except that it's on top instead of behind everything
[12:02] <SpiderPig> vonhalenbach ok np. thanks.
[12:02] <contrast83> AmyRose: You *might* try sending the desktop window to the widget layer. Quite an ugly workaround, but it might work for the moment.
[12:03] <AmyRose> Uh, how?
[12:03] <TiaGo|SouZa> SpiderPig: believe me, you'll love gutsy
[12:03] <TiaGo|SouZa> :D
[12:03] <RAOF> rafael: It is.  System->Preferences->Appearance.
[12:03] <TiaGo|SouZa> I'm already loving it, and I am on beta
[12:03] <vonhalenbach> So even if all went wrong, you still can work with your files.
[12:03] <TiaGo|SouZa> :p
[12:03] <TiaGo|SouZa> but listen to vonhalenbach
[12:03] <vonhalenbach> beta is still buggy. Don't forget that.
[12:04] <contrast83> AmyRose: And you could just tell Compiz to draw your wallpaper
[12:04] <AmyRose> contrast83: OK, how do I do that?
[12:04] <vonhalenbach> Windows users are easily scared away, when someone doesn't work in linux.
[12:05] <hetauma> bascule, set it to 4 or 5 sometimes it gets the right value sometimes it gets -1
[12:05] <contrast83> AmyRose: Cube or Wall?
[12:05] <AmyRose> contrast83: I'm using the cube
[12:06] <contrast83> AmyRose: And by "that" do you mean all of what I suggested, or just the wallpaper part?
[12:06] <TiaGo|SouZa> vonhalenbach: I like to say that when something works in linux, Windows users tend to be impressed by how well things are done
[12:06] <AmyRose> contrast83: All of what you suggested, and I'm using KDE.
[12:06] <TiaGo|SouZa> eg, automatic network connection
[12:07] <TiaGo|SouZa> but when things don't work...
[12:07] <contrast83> AmyRose: One sec... You have the Widget Layer plugin (under Desktop), right?
[12:07] <AmyRose> yes
[12:07] <contrast83> K... Hang on...
[12:07] <bascule> hetauma: I am up and running now, it's all good man, thanks a lot
[12:07] <hetauma> yw
[12:08] <TiaGo|SouZa> *doesn't
[12:08] <contrast83> AmyRose: Widget Layer -> Behavior -> Widget Windows: type=Desktop
[12:09] <TiaGo|SouZa> does anybody here know if the final artwork is already in the gutsy beta, or will it be added in the final release? does anybody knows how can I find that information? I already looked everywhere...
[12:09] <contrast83> AmyRose: Then, to get your wallpaper back, Desktop Cube -> Appearance -> Background Images
[12:09] <Xero> How do I use multimedia keys in Songbird? The MMKeys works partially, but I want my Playpause key
[12:09] <kRush> TiaGo|SouZa, I saw a timeline recently, I think the deadline is over by now
[12:09] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: Follow the link in the topic. ;-)
[12:10] <AmyRose> ok, thanks, contrast83
[12:10] <contrast83> AmyRose: Did it work?
[12:10] <TiaGo|SouZa> kRush: I saw the timeline too, the deadline was last 20, but the icons didn't change at all
[12:10] <AmyRose> contrast83: I don't know yet
[12:11] <TiaGo|SouZa> so I thought that maybe, just maybe, this changes would be added in the final release
[12:11] <contrast83> Oh ok. Let me know. :-)
[12:11] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: I already did that
[12:11] <AmyRose> contrast83: I found a better solution :D
[12:11] <contrast83> AmyRose: Yes...?
[12:12] <Xero> Okay, sorry to repeat, but how do you use multimedia keys in Songbird?
[12:12] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: Don't get your hopes up.
[12:12] <AmyRose> I went into CCSM and checked the Window Rules plug-in, then put "type=desktop" under Sticky and Below
[12:12] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: why?!
[12:12] <contrast83> AmyRose: Much smarter
[12:12] <AmyRose> It worked like a charm, and my wallpaper isn't screwed up
[12:13] <contrast83> Nice
[12:13] <contrast83> AmyRose: Thanks. I'm gonna go try reinstalling Compiz, I think.
[12:13] <hetauma> how do I share files between linux and linux ?
[12:14] <AmyRose> contrast83: I noticed that I could configure it that way, so I tried
[12:14] <nosrednaekim> hetauma: NFS, ssh, fish...
[12:14] <contrast83> TiaGo|SouZa: Because I would personally take Final Deadline to mean Final Deadline. ;-)
[12:14] <contrast83> As much as I use Window Rules, I should have thought of that. Heh.
[12:14] <TiaGo|SouZa> :-/
[12:15] <gavintlgold> hi, my sister accidentally cut off my internet just before it did the tzdata setup, and so the updater hung, and i couldn't do anything but restart. now i'm in a livecd, and doing the chroot brings up dependency problems...
[12:15] <gavintlgold> :-/
[12:15] <AmyRose> contrast83: Do you know of any documentation of the format those strings are supposed to be in?
[12:15] <contrast83> AmyRose: I was in #compiz-fusion talking with one of the main devs and even he didn't think of that. :-P
[12:15] <AmyRose> hahaha
[12:15] <TiaGo|SouZa> contrast83: when something hits the final deadline, will it be added in the next build?!
[12:15] <contrast83> AmyRose: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=4104 /shameless plug
[12:15] <TiaGo|SouZa> is that what u say?
[12:16] <sobersabre> guys, I have a machine that gets stuck with gutsy
[12:16] <sobersabre> where shall I send the dmesg ?
[12:16] <contrast83> AmyRose: Also - http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=1768&highlight=%22window+rules%22
[12:16] <sobersabre> I made sure it doesn't relate compiz, but relates X
[12:18] <gavintlgold> oh, i might be getting somewhere...
[12:18] <AmyRose> contrast83: Thanks. Now I am glad to have my cube and wobbly windows again :D
[12:19] <contrast83> AmyRose: No prob, and thank you as well. I'm gonna go try and get mine back now. Later :-)
[12:19] <AmyRose> ok
[12:19] <AmyRose> Me too; I want to make sure this really fixed it
[12:22] <kRush> how do I force a refresh of thumbnails in nautilus?
[12:22] <Xero> Okay, sorry to repeat, but how do you use multimedia keys in Songbird?
[12:25] <Lhademmor> Hey people, I'm currently in the process of upgrading from Feisty to Gutsy
[12:25] <gavintlgold> ok, i need help....
[12:25] <gavintlgold> :(
[12:25] <gavintlgold> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[12:25] <gavintlgold> then i run that, and i get dependency problems
[12:26] <gavintlgold> because my update was broken when my sister cut off my internet
[12:26] <rafael> gavintlgold: what did u before?
[12:26] <gavintlgold> grrr
[12:26] <gavintlgold> it was installing, but then it did it's little time zone check
[12:26] <gavintlgold> and because of that, it needed internet, which it didn't get
[12:26] <gavintlgold> and so it froze
[12:26] <frostburn> ^ topic    -.-
[12:27] <frostburn> run the dist-upgrade again
[12:27] <gavintlgold> what should i run?
[12:27] <gavintlgold> apt-get dist-upgrade?
[12:27] <frostburn> yes
[12:27] <gavintlgold> that tells me to run dpkg --configure -a
[12:27] <Lhademmor> why did Canonical stop supporting ~10 packages from Gutsy and onwards?
[12:28] <frostburn> gavintlgold, pastebin the entire thing please
[12:28] <Xero> OOo time. I have to write some stupid paper.
[12:29] <gavintlgold> http://pastebin.com/m7f227a5 << frostburn
[12:29] <DanaG> Interesting: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=863&num=1
[12:29] <DanaG> About the radeonhd driver.
[12:30] <gavintlgold> is there some way to configure packages?
[12:30] <gavintlgold> it seems like none of the packages were configured, and so it's not letting me continue
[12:30] <gavintlgold> i mean, that is what happened
[12:32] <gavintlgold> everything would have worked fine, if it wasn't for my sister ... *sigh*
[12:33] <frostburn> dependency hell
[12:33] <frostburn> you can start manually installing each package =] 
[12:34] <Reaby> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39193/ <-- beagle index opens su session, root account activated, system compromized ?
[12:34] <gavintlgold> oh wait, maybe if I manually install pygtk the installer might work
[12:34] <gavintlgold> since it doesn't like that
[12:34] <gavintlgold> :/ who knows
[12:35] <gavintlgold> but i can't install anything...
[12:35] <bascule> gavintlgold: man, that's nasty ... :(
[12:35] <gavintlgold> but don't complain about it being my fault for not reading the topic... it would have happened even if it were the final release...
[12:36] <gavintlgold> one of the worst coincidences ever...
[12:38] <gavintlgold> http://pastebin.com/m350245a4 << entire error
[12:41] <frostburn> gavintlgold, if you really want to fix that,10  install it one package at a time, if there's a dep error, install the dep goto 10
[12:41] <gavintlgold> ??
[12:41] <gavintlgold> 10?
[12:41] <frostburn> rinse wash repeat
[12:41] <leperkhanz> Hi.  I just submitted a massive bug report to launchpad.
[12:42] <frostburn> ad nauseum
[12:42] <leperkhanz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/147354/
[12:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147354 in ubuntu "Outstanding bugs in Gutsy Beta" [Undecided,New] 
[12:42] <leperkhanz> Please feel free to squash some of them bugs.
[12:42] <gavintlgold> root@ubuntu:/# dpkg --configure -a Setting up dbus (1.1.1-3ubuntu2) ... Fixing up startup script priorities... invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "start" failed.
[12:42] <gavintlgold> that's the thing that starts it
[12:43] <gavintlgold> because everything else depends on it
[12:43] <gavintlgold> if i could fix that one problem, i think everything else would go smoothly
[12:44] <frostburn> 1. you aren't using restricted drivers 2. mp3 is licensed 3. not all cameras work with linux kernel  4. camerama  5. getdeb 6. compiz is supposed to be run as normal anything else is a bonus
[12:46] <leperkhanz> 1. Yes I am. 2. Right, but it should still be very easy to add that as an option to Sound Juicer, and it's not. 3. Yes, apparently none of the generic canons or sonys that I own.  4. What?  5. I live there.  6. Compiz crashes when I try it most of the time.
[12:47] <leperkhanz> 7. I want Ubuntu to be on all the 50+ machines I administer, and currently that is NOT a possibility for those reasons, and the others noted at launchpad.
[12:48] <gnomefreak> why all the numbers being used as points?
[12:48] <gnomefreak> state problem if someone can help they will
[12:48] <AmyRose> Yay, my little workaround in Compiz worked :D
[12:48] <leperkhanz> I think he was referring to my initial post on the forums, or at launchpad.  There were some numbers on one or both of them. :)
[12:49] <scipio> leperkhanz, what video card do you have?
[12:49] <leperkhanz> geforce 6600 gt
[12:50] <gavintlgold> so.... i can't do anything
[12:50] <gavintlgold> :/
[12:51] <frostburn> back up your /home dir and get the latest iso
[12:52] <leperkhanz> Yeah.... I was thinking that might help.  Still though, some of those issues are still going to remain, no?
[12:52] <scipio> leperkhanz, i don't have any real solution, just being curious here. did games run ok in feisty? with compiz enabled?
[12:52] <leperkhanz> And might I not want to wait until Gutsy final is released?
[12:52] <leperkhanz> scipio: Yes.
[12:52] <leperkhanz> scipio: I was under Beryl, though.
[12:52] <leperkhanz> which is slightly different.
[12:53] <contrast83> AmyRose: Cool. Looks like it works here too.
[12:53] <Amaranth> leperkhanz: Yes, it was slower ;)
[12:53] <leperkhanz> http://youtube.com/watch?v=LGS7v1-Rn4E
[12:53] <leperkhanz> But it worked.
[12:53] <leperkhanz> There's my youtube video to prove it.
[12:53] <Amaranth> Don't need to prove anything, with compiz running I can play games and watch movies and etc
[12:53] <leperkhanz> my camera also worked, as I uploaded the video under feisty as well. :)
[12:54] <AmyRose> contrast83: Goody
[12:55] <leperkhanz> I should have had somebody else hold the camera.... I suck at driving and holding the cam at the same time... LOL
[12:55] <Amaranth> gavintlgold: you could patch the dbus init script to run exit 0 right at the top
[12:55] <Amaranth> gavintlgold: and fix it later
[12:57] <SlimeyPete> hmm... in order to get Kubuntu Gutsy to work, I had to install it via alt. CD, then log in via a recover console and set a root password (because no standard user was configured) so that I could edit xorg.conf to fix my graphics driver problem. Are these known issues?
[12:58] <Amaranth> SlimeyPete: ATI X1000 or newer?
[12:58] <SlimeyPete> nope. Mobility Radeon 200M
[12:58] <Amaranth> Pretty sure that's the same problem though
[12:59] <Amaranth> It'll probably work right in hardy
[12:59] <gavintlgold> aha, it seems to be more cooperative now
[12:59] <gavintlgold> for some reason
[12:59] <SlimeyPete> it used to work with the OSS drivers in Feisty (though I used proprietary anyway, for acceleration)
[12:59] <gavintlgold> idk if it was the script that did it
[12:59] <gavintlgold> but apt-get dist-upgrade is working now
[01:00] <gavintlgold> at least it's downloading.. we'll see
[01:01] <Amaranth> gavintlgold: of course your desktop won't work if dbus doesn't start
[01:01] <Amaranth> hell you can't even start epiphany without dbus
[01:01] <gavintlgold> i changed it back
[01:02] <Amaranth> sure but it was failing
[01:02] <gavintlgold> but apt-get dist-upgrade still is downloading.. progress, perhaps
[01:02] <Amaranth> uh
[01:02] <gavintlgold> yes, it seems to be working...
[01:02] <Amaranth> dbus started?
[01:02] <gavintlgold> idk
[01:02] <Amaranth> pgrep dbus-daemon
[01:03] <gavintlgold> ok, it seems to be working, but not being able to write to log
[01:03] <gavintlgold> brb
[01:03] <pwuertz> hi... anyone got that "gnome-appearance-properties takes all your cpu time" bug too?
[01:03] <pwuertz> isn't that a known bug?
[01:05] <cypherdelic> i got that too
[01:05] <bascule> man, this compiz-fusion thing is just too much fun :)
[01:05] <gavintlgold> back
[01:06] <TiaGo|SouZa> bascule: agreed!
[01:10] <gavintlgold> ugh.. now i get a dependency problem: two packages depend on each other, so they can't be configured
[01:12] <gavintlgold> i wish my sister hadn't put the mac to sleep...
[01:12] <bascule> is dpkg-reconfigure some_package too hopeful for me to even mention?
[01:12] <frostburn> gavintlgold, which two
[01:12] <gavintlgold> frostburn: initramfs and volumeid
[01:13] <gavintlgold> bascule: i haven't tried REconfigure
[01:13] <gavintlgold> only configure...
[01:14] <frostburn> initramfs-tools doesn't require volumeid
[01:15] <frostburn> oh
[01:15] <frostburn> i see
[01:15] <gavintlgold> i'm trying dpkg-reconfigure -a
[01:15] <gavintlgold> is that ok?
[01:16] <frostburn> shrug, play around
[01:16] <gavintlgold> ok
[01:16] <gavintlgold> i think i know what might be a problem
[01:16] <gavintlgold>  /etc/init.d/apport: 127: cannot create /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern: Directory nonexistent
[01:17] <gavintlgold> seems to have something to do with the /etc/init.d dir
[01:17] <bascule> do you have /proc populated?
[01:17] <gavintlgold> idk
[01:18] <bascule> ls /proc/
[01:18] <gavintlgold> returns nothing
[01:18] <bascule> mount none -t proc /proc
[01:18] <bascule> mount none -t procfs /proc  one of those
[01:19] <gavintlgold> acpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: Device or resource busy
[01:19] <gavintlgold> invoke-rc.d: initscript acpid, action "start" failed.