NightBirdXero: close, but xsessions, not Xsessions :P01:19
nergarmaybe, but i guess i'll wait for the next beta or release candidate, meanwhile i'm going with zenwalk01:20
Martinp23http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ mini.iso there could work better, but yeah, it might be worth just waiting.01:21
XeroNightBird, glad I could help. Lol01:22
NightBirdXero: well... it didn't exactly fix things yet...01:22
XeroNightBird, oh.01:23
XeroNightBird, good luck then.01:23
NightBirdgah.... it almost makes it, I see the desktop, then the x server restarts01:24
XeroWow. Ubuntu 7.04 gets -amazing- battery time.01:25
XeroAn hour and 45 minutes of running Compiz nonstop (with all the pretties) and Totem streaming from a nearby computer.01:25
XeroThat includes the GPU "intensive" goom visualization, which I would expect to eat battery like a ravenous mole.01:26
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savvaswhereas vista?01:27
Xerosavvas, Vista lasts about 30 minutes at 100% batt.01:27
XeroNothing special going on.01:28
savvaswell 1-0 for gnu/linux then :)01:28
XeroActually, about 300-5 for gnu/linux01:28
penguin42Xero: I think there's been a bit of work on power; 'powertop' is an interesting tool01:29
Xeropenguin42, another 1-up for Ubuntu, then. No wonder I ditched XP about half a year ago.01:30
XeroDesktop: 1024MB RAM, 2.4GHz processor, 80GB HDD 128MB VRAM, Gutsy01:30
XeroLaptop: 512MB RAM, 1.4GHz processor, 40GB HDD, integrated vid, Feisty.01:31
NightBird....I'm getting an "X: client <n> rejected from local host (uid 1000)" error in my kdm.log... could this be related to the error I'm getting?01:31
NightBirdhow do I fix it?01:32
penguin42NightBird: None of your disc partitions are full are they?01:32
penguin42hmm ok, have you got a .Xauthority file ?01:33
NightBirdmove it elsewhere and see if that helps?01:33
savvasNightBird: the computer doesn't like you, you got rejected :) just kidding :p01:33
NightBirdsavvas: then I'll whip it into submission01:33
savvasnow that's the spirit!01:34
NightBirdmy computers don't work with me, they work for me01:34
XeroMy computer works with me, but if I must, i force it to work for me.01:34
XeroAs in the case of my laptop which miraculously got wirelessed today.01:35
NightBirdpenguin42: what should I do with my .Xauthority file?01:35
NightBirdpenguin42: I tried moving it, restarting X, then logging in... didn't help01:35
penguin42NightBird: Damn - hmm if you log in in safe mode and do an ls -l of your directory are the files owned correclty by the right user? Can you create a file in there?01:36
NightBirdeverything is owned by me in that directory, and I can create files there01:38
NightBird(including the hidden files)01:38
NightBird... why do I have multiple .DCOPserver's running...01:38
NightBirder... multiple .DCOPserver files01:39
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Xero!find glib-gettextize01:41
ubotuFile glib-gettextize found in libglib2.0-dev01:41
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XeroFor some reason the lappy didn't have that.01:42
penguin42NightBird: I think I'm out of ideas01:42
dashuaIs there a bug for the sounds events not working in Gutsy Beta?01:42
branstromdashua: I have the same prob, I think.01:43
dashuaThey work fine in sounds under preferences, but not sound when activating events.01:43
branstromHaven't searched for existing bugs01:43
branstromYes, that's the way it is here too.01:43
dashuaOk, I'll check bugzilla.01:44
tomilburnhi, please can someone help me with an external harddrive prob that has been bugging me since feisty release01:44
penguin42tomilburn: What happens01:45
tomilburnits not auto mounting01:45
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tomilburnit just stoped after i started with feisty, ive been with gusty for a while now, and still no luck01:46
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tomilburni can see it with fdisk -l01:47
penguin42and can you mount it by hand?01:47
tomilburnand in fstab01:47
tomilburnbut dont get the icons01:47
tomilburnmy usb stick drive things work just fine, and ipod01:48
penguin42I know this is a little odd; but have you tried taking it out of fstab?01:48
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tomilburnyer, its not in there01:48
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tomilburni put it in then back out for testing01:48
tretlethose animal wallpapers should be included with the default installation01:49
tretlei noticed the elephant one is there now01:49
penguin42tomilburn: I assume you have the ;'mount removable media' button ticked in preferences?01:50
tretlejust need a few more for variation01:50
tomilburnthey are creating a bit of a stir01:50
tretlethast becasue they are quite good01:50
tomilburnha ha, i hope so01:50
tretleand unique01:50
tomilburnwhere is it?01:50
tretleand suite the ubuntu down to the ground01:50
penguin42tomilburn: Removeable media preferences01:50
tomilburnyes, its ticked01:51
penguin42hohum - I don't know how the icon stuff is done01:52
penguin42where are these elephants then?01:52
tomilburnit should be in your wallpapers automaticaly01:52
tomilburnits good, im using it01:53
tomilburndont know if its a real elefant though01:53
tretlethe giraffe one is quite good also01:53
tretleand lion one01:53
tomilburnhavent seen the giraffe01:54
tomilburnjust lion01:54
tretlethey may need to strip out the ubuntu logo though01:54
tretleas thats what they did with the elephant one01:54
tretlethats the giraffe01:54
tretleall of the animal wallpapers seem more polished01:55
tretleand professional01:55
tretlei really do hope they get included as default01:55
penguin42Hmm I don't seem to have it - file names?01:56
tomilburnim not sure, it just appeared in the dialogue for me (only the elephant one)01:57
tomilburnand only a few day ago, you updated01:57
tretleelephant one is the only one included atm01:57
penguin42yeh updated this morning01:58
tretleelephant one is quality01:58
tomilburnin usr/share/backgrounds01:59
tretlewhen you set the panel to transparent you cant see the menu writing01:59
tretleapplications, places, system01:59
tretleyou have to up the saturation01:59
tretlebut still lovely wallpaper01:59
tretlewould give gutsy a good first impression02:00
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penguin42Ah yes that is nice (I was looking in /usr/share/wallpapers)02:05
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thompai tried the beta in a partitioned laptop with xp and it fails to install grub. How can I reinstall grub?02:05
penguin42you should be able to run grub-install from the CD - but depending how far it got it might not have all the stuff setup to boot your XP and your gutsy02:06
tretledid u install xp before or after gutsy?02:06
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tretlenot sure02:07
cliechtithe update manaer does nothing but re-display the list.. how do i fix that02:07
thompatretle: it installed fine on my other computers02:08
tretlehad problems with grub myself a few days ago and ended up getting grub working but unable to boot into windows anymore so i just did a fresh install of both02:08
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thompai cant reinstall windows it too painful esp on laptop02:09
serengetihi. I've upgraded from feisty yesterday. is it a known bug that trackerd is using up all the available cpu time? it doesn't get in the way because it seems to run with a very low priority but well, cpu use is at 100% all the time for the last couple of hours...02:09
serengetiand, ~/.cache/tracker dir is over 1GB even though there's almost nothing to index in my home dir02:09
archlichthompa, check out $grub-install you also might want to check out the gentoo install docs at the grub section02:09
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serengetijust a bunch of avi files02:10
maccam94-awaythompa: if you can download and burn cd's, i recommend using super grub boot cd02:10
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maccam94-awayit can automagically fix broken grub boot records02:10
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shadylookinanybody else have a problem with installing the beta where it keeps reloading the X system everytime it loads so that you get stuck in an infinite loop of reloading?02:12
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penguin42serengeti: Yes I believe that is known02:12
serengetiuh, ~/.cache/tracker is 4.4G now...02:12
thompamaccam94-away: thanks where do i get that02:12
maccam94-awaythompa: http://sgd.howto-linux.de/download/binaries/sgd/cdrom/sgd_current.iso02:12
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penguin42serengeti: Try doing an update - I believe the issue is fixed/eased02:12
cliechtihm. is "current dist not found in meta-release file" a normal message for update-manager?02:12
serengetipenguin42, ok I just did an update, I'll try to log off to see if it's fixed. thanks :)02:13
penguin42serengeti: There is an option to disable the indexing02:13
thompacan it create a grub record as I dont even have one, im still live an install seems  finished but no message to reboot02:14
maccam94thompa: it can scan for kernels i believe, and make a grub.conf, and write a master boot record. i think you're good as long as there's stuff in /boot/02:15
maccam94thompa: wait02:15
maccam94thompa: i think i remember reading about that bug02:15
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thompai dont care for windows, just the kids laptop02:15
thompamaccam94: nothing in boot like menu02:16
maccam94The desktop CD sometimes suffers kernel oopses in the "unionfs" driver, which manifests itself as random program crashes, the installation getting stuck, or similar. It usually helps to just reboot and restart the installation. (https://launchpad.net/bugs/144945)02:16
ubotuLaunchpad bug 144945 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "kernel Oops in unionfs with l-u-m version 2.6.22-12.32 using Edubuntu amd64 daily 200709025" [High,Triaged] 02:16
serengetipenguin24: I think it's indexing all of my drives by default instead of just the home folder like beagle used to.. I get lots of .java files from Sun's JDK in the results02:16
thompain /boot/grub is only device map02:16
maccam94thompa: if you're in the livecd it wouldn't be /boot, because that's /boot of the livecd02:17
serengetiI'll try deleting ~/.cache/tracker and logging off02:17
thompathat makes sense02:17
maccam94thompa: as the wiki states, just rebooting and restarting the installation works02:17
thompasda2 is my linux part02:17
thompamaccam94: ive tried a couple of times before the beta with the alpha , no go02:18
thompamaybe the beta works02:18
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thompamaccam94: ill try installing again thanks02:19
maccam94if it doesn't, and there's stuff in /media/ubuntu/boot or /mnt/ubuntu/boot/ (it might not be called ubuntu), you can try the super grub boot cd. but you need to be able to burn the iso, and it won't work if the installation isn't complete with the actual installation part02:19
thompagot the iso ksthan02:19
thompamaccam94: will it maybe add xp to menu02:20
thompaim going to try the grub iso first02:20
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DM|_I keep getting ailed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/multiverse/source/Sources.gz Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1) when trying to upgrade from the upgrade manager?02:21
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DM|_anyone have the repos i should add for terminal dist-upgrade?02:22
Dr_willischange feisty to gusty is about it i thought02:24
Dr_willisWonder if the !upgrade factoid is done02:24
ubotuFor upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes02:24
penguin42DM|_: Probably worth checking you have enough free disc space - are there any other errors from gzip?02:26
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DM|_penguin42 i have over 25g availe :(, just that one when trying to use Upgrade manager02:26
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DM|_penguin42:  gksu "update-manager -c -d"02:26
rustlerhar1has anyone updated to gutsy recently02:27
DM|_im trying to now...02:27
cliechtiupdate-manager is broken here. it just reloads the list. -c /-d both make no change to this. any idea?02:27
DM|_Im getting a gzip error what about u cliechti02:28
cliechtiim running gutsy since many weeks and update-manager is broken since a long time too02:28
DM|_anyone have repos to add to sources list?02:28
DM|_so i can do a terminal update02:28
serengetirustlerhar, I upgraded yesterday02:28
cliechtiDM|_: i dont see any relevant error message, at least nothing like that02:28
maccam94thompa: it will, yes02:30
rustlerhar1serengeti: i tried after beta freeze and it killed my system02:30
penguin42I'd hope for something more than gzip saying it has an error02:31
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furenkuhello, i wonder whether the -rt kernel works with nvidia drivers now?02:32
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serengetirustlerhar1, are you sure it upgraded completely? my update kept failing on Sun JRE package and I had to restart in recovery mode... for some reason I was able to finish the update from there02:33
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rustlerhar1apt get didnt install and it told me to use apt to get02:33
DM|_So yeah... I need the repos, and cant find them on the forums, can someone pastebin their gutsy repos please02:34
serengetirustlerhar1, what happened?02:34
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furenkuis it a good idea to install the gutsy -rt kernel on ubuntu feisty?02:35
penguin42I guess it might work - but why do you want to?02:36
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serengetiDM|_, Irish mirrors: http://dpaste.com/21004/02:37
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furenkupenguin42, the thing is, i heard this gutsy -rt kernel is compatible with nvidia; which is not the case of the feisty one02:39
cliechtiis it relevant for update-manager what it is in /etc/debian_version ?02:40
penguin42furenku: I'm guessing there is a lot more than just the kernel to get nvidia to go02:40
furenkumaybe i should wait till gutsy is released?02:41
DM|_18 days02:41
Gforce005Where looking at dumping windows, and moving into linux "ubuntu", it would seem that its more develop in-house compare to kubuntu "correct" ?02:41
AmyRoseIs there a way to avoid GPG errors when using the debug symbol repos?02:41
cliechtihow do i find out the release name? its should be gutsy but how can i verify that?02:43
NightBirdGforce005: kubuntu ispart of ubntu02:43
NightBirder.. is a part02:43
NightBirdthat line was horrible now that I look at it...02:43
NightBirdkubuntu is a part of ubuntu.02:43
NightBirdkubuntu is just a kde interface instead of the normal gnome interface02:43
Gforce005but heard that Mark, bless ubuntu02:44
Gforce005and not kubuntu02:44
Gforce005is that due to the KDE (Kde 4) org ?02:44
beerfa2Gforce005: Canonical does not produce kubuntu, so why would Mark bless it?02:44
Gforce005whom does02:45
kurroswhy does mark get to bless things?02:45
AmyRoseGforce005: I heard that Mark is a KDE user02:45
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Gforce005been hearing more about ubuntu in the news... than kubuntu02:46
cliechtiheheh if that were all our problems.. ;-)02:46
beerfa2kurros: because he's the one footing the bill maybe?02:46
AmyRoseGforce005: http://dot.kde.org/1147097810/02:46
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AmyRoseGforce005: Another one: http://dot.kde.org/1160932072/02:47
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nosrednaekimamrk beless kubuntu as well, both are developed by Canonical02:47
nosrednaekim*mark blesses02:48
nosrednaekimJonathon Riddel, the main kubuntu dev, is employed by Canonical02:48
maccam94Ubuntu is the main distribution; KUbuntu, XUbuntu, and EdUbuntu are official derivatives02:48
cliechtihow can i fix the update-manager that does just nothing instead of installing the packages it shows?02:48
Gforce005oh really02:49
AmyRoseIt wouldn't make sense for Mark NOT to "bless" Kubuntu too, seeing as he's a KDE user.02:49
nosrednaekimmaccam94: in a sense that is correct, in a sense it is not.02:49
NightBird...crap.... my wireless device isn't been seen anymore...02:49
nosrednaekimmine is :)02:50
darrendis the new bluetooth-applet supposed to replace gnome-bluetooth?  Because the first one fails for me bt the old one still works ok..02:50
Gforce005what about this 3d desktop heard that is going to be in 7.10, kubuntu does not have it02:50
NightBirdwell, if my wireless is down, nothing is keeping me from doing a complete wipe when it comes out in a few days02:50
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beerfa2that's because KDE will reinvent compositing instead of using compiz02:50
NightBirder... compiz and beryl are both fine with running in a kde interface02:50
maccam94Gforce005: Also, the preferences utility that Ubuntu is using is for setting Compiz is for Gnome02:51
osmosisanyone know how to figure out what the actual differences are in the meta-packages  ubuntu-xen-desktop  and ubuntu-xen-desktop-amd64  ?02:51
nosrednaekimHey, GNOME is good for some people, I'm not dissing it. I like KDE better but that just my opinion02:51
NightBirdosmosis: one is for 32 bit systems, the other for 64 bit systems?02:51
maccam94the amd64 one will just be all of the same packages compiled for 64-bitness02:51
osmosisNightBird: they are meta-packages...what is different about them ?02:52
beerfa2I just love gnome/kde debates :-)02:52
hydrogenbecause its always obvious02:52
NightBirdosmosis: the packages they point to02:52
hydrogenthat the only people in them with intelligence02:52
hydrogenare those who prefer kde02:52
osmosisNightBird: without having gutsy installed, is there any way to see ?02:52
NightBirdhydrogen: I thought you were going to say the only people in them with intelligence are the ones that aren't in them :P02:53
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nosrednaekimhydrogen: trying to REALLY start a flame war?02:53
NightBirdosmosis: ?02:53
osmosisNightBird: what is actually different about them ?02:53
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level1hi, I'm having a lot of trouble with knetworkmanager02:53
AmyRoselevel1: What sort of trouble?02:53
osmosishydrogen: trolltech wouldnt ever have gone GPL if it wasnt for gnome.02:53
level1ran sudo NetworkManager --no-daemon to try to get some error messages, and all I got was...02:53
level1NetworkManager: <info>  Error getting killswitch power: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.KillSwitch.NotSupported - Access type not supported02:53
beerfa2nosrednaekim: is insulting ones choices won't work, insulting ones intelligence is sure to work ;-)02:53
level1over and over02:53
nosrednaekimbeerfa2: and if that doesn't work... insult their mom.02:54
Gforce005hmm, what can't the people at kubuntu make a kde version of :setting Compiz is for Gnome02:54
level1AmyRose: it's basically doesn't want to connect to some networks, especially my school's network02:54
osmosistrolltech and KDE never gave an official appology to Richard Stallman for violating the GPL.02:54
nosrednaekimGforce005: its not *GNOME* its gtk.02:54
AmyRoselevel1: I am sorry, but I have not found a workaround for that problem... I have to use a script that disables Network Manager at my school02:54
NightBirdosmosis: the 32 and 64 bit packages?  one is compiled for 32 bit cpus, the other for 64 bit cpus02:54
osmosisMy inspiron 1420, you know...the one that dell ships with ubuntu. Well the wireless on gutsy beta doesnt work.02:54
level1AmyRose: also, it keeps forgetting about my school's network, so I have to reenter the data02:54
maccam94Gforce005: they probably will, but they basically have to duplicate a lot of efforts that the people writing the gtk applets are making02:55
osmosisNightBird: how could it be compiled? its a meta package....it doesnt get compiled.02:55
maccam94osmosis: really? guess it's a good thing i haven't upgraded yet02:55
cliechtiupdate-manager troubles anyone?02:55
NightBirdosmosis: meta packages are packages that are used as a collection for other packages, which may have compiled items in them02:55
level1osmosis: at this point, if there was any conflict, qt would be forked into gpl so fast02:55
hydrogenosmosis: that doesn't mean that gnome's at the least last five releases have not basically been "Implement this or that feature that kde has had for a year or two"02:55
AmyRoseI don't see a need for a separate KDE version of CompizConfig Settings Manager though... I have no problems using a GTK utility to configure Compiz as long as it works ;)02:56
osmosisNightBird: how can I see a list of the packages that a meta-package installs?02:56
osmosislevel1: wha????  you can't fork something into GPL.  It has to be GPL to allow forking.  duh.02:56
level1AmyRose: what do you mean disable Network Manager02:57
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level1osmosis: gpl isn't the only open source lincence02:57
NightBirdosmosis: try apt-cache depends02:57
level1osmosis: and qt is under the qpl02:57
osmosishydrogen: who cares if kde had it for the last two years. all that matters is today and the future. Im not going to run something because of features it did or didnt have years ago.02:57
hydrogenosmosis: except that it still doesn't have half the features02:57
osmosislevel1: the trolltech license didnt allow forking to GPL.02:58
hydrogenand definatly won't once kde4 starts getting polished02:58
beerfa2hydrogen: feature list is not the most important factor02:58
osmosisNightBird:  only problem is im not booted off gutsy right now.02:58
hydrogenbeerfa2: yea, your right.. sometimes I like to limit myself so that I feel more like the average human02:58
beerfa2depending on your goal02:58
nosrednaekimhydrogen: and KDE4 doesn't really count as the present since it nowhere near usable02:58
osmosishydrogen: once it start....yah, sure.  if they havent started yet, they are in trouble.02:58
DM|_ok help... im getting this error02:58
DM|_Failed to fetch http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)02:58
beerfa2hydrogen: use the software that suits your needs, but don't dog on software that suits other peoples needs02:59
AmyRoselevel1: My script to get on-line at my college first runs this command: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop02:59
hydrogenbeerfa2: but thats whats fun!02:59
maccam94i thought KDE4 wasn't making it into gutsy02:59
maccam94at least not as default02:59
osmosisthe whole gnome kde debate is so dumb. All that really matters is C or C++ since thats what they are written in respectively. And everyone knows that C++ sucks.02:59
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nosrednaekimosmosis: heh02:59
AmyRoseosmosis: I can't stand GNOME's "features are bloat!" mentality02:59
level1AmyRose: but how do you get online then?  I thought NetworkManager was basically essential to internet access02:59
AmyRoselevel1: No, it's not. It just makes things easier when it works03:00
hydrogenosmosis: yet gnome is doing its best to get away from the low levelness of C because they are consistantly limited03:00
osmosisAmyRose: yah, that bugs me too. I think its getting better though.03:00
level1osmosis: you're a troll, and thats not true03:00
beerfa2AmyRose: right, and having unused cpu cycles sucks too03:00
maccam94osmosis: i just like as few running processes on my system as possible, so if i want to use a KDE app in gnome right now it's not ideal, because a whole lot of KDE processes need to run for the KDE apps to look nice/run with all of their features03:00
osmosislevel1: linux torvalds says C++ sucks.03:00
gnomefreakosmosis: AmyRose stay on topic03:00
hydrogenosmosis: he also says gnome sucks :)03:00
level1osmosis: and yet he likes kde, so whats your point?03:00
hydrogenI'm sure there are better homes for all this fun03:01
hydrogenhow about /dev/null ?03:01
gnomefreakeveryone move this topic to #ubuntu-offtopic03:01
AmyRoselevel1: My script just stops NetworkManager and then calls wpa_supplicant and dhclient manually03:01
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serengetiwell, after the update 3d effects stopped working... compiz --replace says "Comparing resolution (1152x864) to maximum 3D texture size (1024): Failed."... which is weird since it worked 10 minutes ago. Should I file a bug or something? never done that tbh :)03:01
level1AmyRose: oh, how is that done?03:01
nosrednaekimserengeti: what video card?03:01
level1AmyRose: my school uses wep, as all the networks are cloaked03:02
serengetiradeon 850003:02
Gforce005okay, its looks like kde... I did read that kde 4 beta 2 is out03:02
nosrednaekimserengeti: which drivers were you using?03:02
AmyRoselevel1: I spent about 2 weeks Googling to find out what kind of a config file I'd need, and then my script calls wpa_supplicant, then waits about 10 seconds, then calls dhclient. It works...03:02
penguin42serengeti: If something is broken then please file a bug (checking that one hasn't already been filed)03:02
gnomefreakGforce005: it is but there really isnt anything there03:02
serengetinosrednaekim, ati03:02
Gforce005really ?03:02
gnomefreakGforce005: you have klipper ;)03:02
osmosisyah, so I filed a bunch of bugs for xen on amd64. I wonder if anyone will be available to get them fixed before final release.  146986, 146997, 147014, 13885903:02
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level1hmmm... maybe I just live with the mediocre connectivity that I can get, that sounds like a lot of work03:02
Gforce005gnomenfreak: trying to dump windows03:02
gnomefreakGforce005: no menu to run things most things dont work plasma works but just barely03:03
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gnomefreakGforce005: than use reg. kde until 4 is more developed03:03
AmyRoselevel1: I can give you my script if you're interested03:03
nosrednaekimGforce005: But KDE 3  still rocks.!03:03
Gforce005probably a month03:03
hydrogenGforce005: wait for beta3 at a minimum03:03
hydrogenwhich should be out this week03:03
serengetinosrednaekim, I mean the opensource driver ati, not ati's driver :)03:03
Linux_GaloreKDE 4.0 wont be worth using till it hits 4.103:03
Gforce005have about 12 system in the office03:03
gnomefreakhydrogen: they are tagging it this wekk release should be week 2 in oct03:03
level1AmyRose: okay, I'll take a look... why don't you dump it in pastebin and I'll dl it?03:03
Gforce005want to move to Linux03:04
Linux_Galore<-- loooooooooooong time KDE user03:04
nosrednaekimserengeti: hmm ok, I was thinking it uninstalled the driver or something...but thats not it.03:04
level1Linux_Galore: pretty sure kde 4.0 will never hit 4.1... kinda a conflict of numbers there, 0 not being 1 and all03:04
nosrednaekimLinux_Galore: just like Vista won't be worth it until SP103:04
Gforce005is the kubuntu 7.10 beta stable to try it on a machine ?03:04
AmyRosenosrednaekim: How dare you compare FOSS to Microsoft sludge? :P03:05
penguin42Gforce005: It depends; there are some known bugs - some people are more lucky than others; most have a mostly working machine03:05
level1Gforce005: it is, but we recomend you use 7.04 until a month from now, you'll be just as happy03:05
nosrednaekimGforce005: if you are just switching (i.e. no previous experience with linux) just use fiesty.03:05
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DM|_someone.. please help....03:06
Linux_GaloreIm pretty happy with Gutsy right now, no serious issues, GLX isnt working still with the legacy Nvidia driver (have all the glx stuff in my xorg.conf file)03:06
DM|_Failed to fetch http://ftp.heanet.ie/pub/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/source/Sources.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)03:06
gavintlgoldhey, I installed more updated nvidia drivers with the driver from the website. Is that going to bite me in the behind if I update to gutsy now?03:06
level1Gforce005: as I understand it, gutsy doesn't add very much anyways, just polish and bug fixes, so you won't be missing anything03:06
nosrednaekimyou can upgrade easily03:06
nosrednaekimAmyRose: lol03:06
nosrednaekimserengeti: go to #ubuntu-effects03:06
nosrednaekimand ask there03:06
gnomefreakuse another mirror03:06
serengetinosrednaekim, well, glxinfo seems ok, x.org's log looks good too. But the login screen is using some strange resolution that doesn't even match my screen's aspect ratio03:06
nosrednaekimgavintlgold: you'll lose them, but thats about the wirst that will happen.03:06
Gforce005had some experience with bsd03:07
nosrednaekimserengeti: you using kubuntu?03:07
gavintlgoldnosrednaekim: so I won't be dumped into a shell, or failsafe x?03:07
level1serengeti: what about the desktop?03:07
serengetinosrednaekim, no, it's regular ubuntu upgraded from feisty03:07
gavintlgoldnosrednaekim: everyone talks about envy being evil and stuff... is that true?03:07
nosrednaekimgavintlgold: for safety purposes, change the xorg driver to nv before upgrading.03:07
DM|_gnomefreak its not a mirror problem, something else is going on03:07
Linux_Galoregavintlgold: herd both bad and good things about envy03:07
nosrednaekimgavintlgold: never hear of envy being evil. just automatix03:07
level1Linux_Galore: I've only heard bad things03:08
DM|_envy > all03:08
Gforce005level1: really does not add much..03:08
gnomefreakDM|_: that error is a mirror problem03:08
gavintlgoldnosrednaekim: like for example, on #compiz-fusion the !envy factoid is "no."03:08
level1nosrednaekim: I don't understand automatix, I mean, how hard is it to install all that yourself?03:08
gavintlgoldand they seem to think it's not good...03:08
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DM|_gnomefreak it happens with the ubuntu repos too03:08
Linux_Galoreif you look in the forums regarding envy some people have had a good experience others a nightmare03:08
gavintlgoldnosrednaekim: ok, will do03:08
gavintlgold:) thanks03:08
nosrednaekimlevel1: if you are trying to get skype for 64 bit... trust me.. its hard03:08
gnomefreakDM|_: than you have a DNS issue more than likely but ubuntu mirrors work fine03:09
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serengetilevel1, it seems that the update messed up my monitor's specs. It's an old Samsung 700 ift that has to be configured manually, because DCC info is wrong03:09
penguin42what is 'envy' ?03:09
DM|_gnomefreak got a different mirror for me?03:09
gnomefreakpenguin42: garbage03:09
user_Anyone downloading flv's from youtube, does your playback in movie player have like a dot grid layer over it? Didn't have any clarity problems in feisty03:09
level1nosrednaekim: it just that ubuntu's package names are a little irrational to new users, I mean, I want to sudo apt-get install mp3, not sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs03:09
Linux_Galorepenguin42: a app thats installs and sets up your nvidia driver03:09
ffmfirefox -ProfileManager03:09
ffmdoes not seem to work properly. It just starts up firefox for me.03:09
Linux_Galorepenguin42: has a habbit of breaking things though03:09
serengetilevel1, it's on the list in Screens and Graphics, but even though the desktop is ok now, login screen still uses wrong resolution03:10
penguin42ffm: Yes I see that as well03:10
ffmlevel1: but libxine-extracodecs is the name of the package.03:10
gavintlgolddoes ubuntu+1 have failsafe X? i heard something about that03:10
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gnomefreakpenguin42: it installs graphic drivers from their sites nvidia.com ati.com  and it wont allow you to remove everything that it did like build nvidia-resticted-modules so when you go to upgrade or install ubuntu package for those drivers it will fail03:10
nosrednaekimffm: not in gutsy...03:10
gnomefreakgavintlgold: yes03:10
gnomefreaknosrednaekim: did it change names?03:10
Linux_Galoregood o'l libxine-extracodecs, lazy mans way of getting it all done with one package03:10
gavintlgoldcool, so if i broke the driver i would still have an x? (that's what it seems like)03:10
gavintlgoldthat's what i thought that meant03:10
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penguin42gnomefreak: Ah, building binary modules is always a pita03:11
nosrednaekimgnomefreak: restricted-extras03:11
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ffmSo , noone has any idea why firefox -ProfileManager does not work?03:11
gnomefreakah nowe i remember ty nosrednaekim03:11
penguin42ffm: firefox -no-remote -ProfileManager seems to work03:11
nosrednaekimgavintlgold: yeah... and if you change to nv before hand.. it PROBABLY won't crash in the first place03:11
ffmpenguin42: thanks.03:11
penguin42ffm: I suggest bug reporting that03:12
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wersanyone here having problems with the new appearance preference app?03:12
user_Any other gutsy users have grainy playback of saved flv videos ?03:12
AmyRoselevel1: http://www.geocities.com/amyrose2048/wctcwlan.tar.gz03:12
gnomefreakwers: uninstall blubuntu03:12
gnomefreakall of its packages03:12
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wersI have not installed blubuntu03:12
gnomefreakthats #1 reason why it breaks (ther emay be others but that is the well known cause)03:12
wersthe only appearance-related app I installed is Tango03:13
AmyRoselevel1: You must agree to the terms of the GPL version 3 though =P03:14
Linux_GaloreIm really impressed with the NuvoX (Extra) Ver 0.7 icon set http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/nuvoX?content=3846703:14
Linux_Galoreeven a deb package on that page03:15
gavintlgoldwish me luck :) ... it'll probably be done downloading in a few days :P03:15
nosrednaekimLinux_Galore: its int he repositories as well03:15
Linux_Galorenosrednaekim: when I looked last time it only had the old version03:15
nosrednaekimoh... hmm03:16
Linux_Galorenosrednaekim: the deb on that page works perfect with gutsy03:16
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AmyRoseLinux_Galore: Why would you even need a .deb package anyway?03:16
Linux_GaloreAmyRose: because Im on a debian based distro03:17
nosrednaekim64 bit?03:17
Linux_GaloreI wouldnt have though it would mattered with the icon set03:17
nosrednaekimLinux_Galore: its just icons though... why should it matter?03:17
AmyRoseLinux_Galore: I thought you could just install icon tarballs from the icon settings dialog03:18
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user_How difficult is debian to install and use in comparison to ubuntu?03:18
cliechtiok "mark all upgrades" isn't doing anything in synaptic but the re are 80 packages outstanding03:19
penguin42user_: Not that much harder; it's a bit less pretty and easy and not as up to date03:19
Linux_Galoreuser_: Ubuntu is based on debian03:19
AmyRoseuser_: It doesn't have all the drivers we have, which is the main reason I prefer Kubuntu over Debian03:19
wersgnomefreak, I just remembered, I also installed Industrial Tango. I am uninstalling it and will see if anything changes03:20
user_I realized it was based on debian03:20
Linux_GaloreAmyRose: er your on crack, debian has more drivers and packages, the complete distro is like 10 DVD's now03:20
nosrednaekimuser_: a debian install is much more customizable03:20
Xerouser_: The main difference is customizability and user friendliness03:21
AmyRoseLinux_Galore: riiiiight, and aren't you the one who doesn't know how to install icons that aren't in deb packages?03:21
XeroUbuntu is more friendly, but Debian Sid is much, MUCH more customizable.03:21
Linux_GaloreAmyRose: I installed the deb package from the command line I didnt need a clicky newbie tool03:22
XeroLinux_Galore, dpkg isn't a 1337 h4xx0r tool either.03:22
XeroWow! 'dpkg -i somepackage.deb'!!!!03:22
AmyRoseLinux_Galore: I can install icon tarballs from the CLI, so HA.03:22
XeroAMAZING! You must be t3h 1337ness in a bag!03:22
AmyRoseJust throw them in ~/.icons or ~/.kde/share/icons03:23
AmyRoseor /usr/share/icons if you're brave03:23
Linux_GaloreAmyRose:  pfft or use buildset with aht Ubuntu flag set03:23
XeroI like to compile things.03:23
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XeroEspecially the part where I have to fix dependency errors without a package manager.03:24
XeroBeat that.03:24
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Linux_GaloreXero: or just edit the code :-P03:24
AmyRoseI hated compiling things until I learned about checkinstall... I just hated not being able to remove programs if I deleted the source directory03:24
XeroLinux_Galore, then it won't be as functional. Thine arse loses.03:24
wasabiHmm. So what these days is supposed to maintain permissions on device files?03:25
user_I like ubuntu a lot, like gutsy too. Only thing I have found negative about gutsy is the flv's I have saved from youtube have like a dot grid across them in playback.03:25
Xerowasabi, udev/hal03:25
user_Anyone else ?03:25
AmyRosewasabi: what Xero said03:25
wasabiIf I want to give a single specific user access to an entire disk, but no other disks, how would I go about it?03:25
AmyRoseuser_: that doesn't say much, since there are a handful of player engines, each of which probably handles them differently03:25
wasabiTraditionally I'd use setfacl on the dev node. ;)03:26
Xerolol Feisty->Gutsy update on my laptop, using WIRELESS OF DOOOOM03:26
cliechtimaybe i must rm -rf / as there seems to be no cure to my problems03:26
XeroWho else has WIRELESS OF DOOOOOOM?03:26
branstromHmm, can I make mplayer-nogui display the video filename in the titlebar?03:26
user_I let movie player get the codec that it wanted , I just don;t know the gutsy good codecs yet.03:26
AmyRoseXero: What is it?03:26
XeroAmyRose, working wireless without ndiswrapper/driverloader in linux03:26
AmyRoseXero: Then I can answer YES!03:26
nosrednaekimXero: indeed03:26
AmyRoseI have an Atheros 802.11g card03:27
nosrednaekimXero: Gutsy fixed my atheros03:27
beerfa2user_: playing flv in totem works fine for me. Perhaps whatever you're using to save them with is messing them up03:27
nosrednaekimAmyRose: ah! what card?03:27
XeroSomething based on Broadcom, made by Intel here.03:27
Linux_GaloreAmyRose: there is actually a kde compiler tool called kompile03:27
AmyRosenosrednaekim: I have an Atheros 802.11 a/b/g card, don't know what exact model atm03:27
user_Ok using keepvid to save them, works fine in feisty.03:27
nosrednaekimAmyRose: ah... is it in a laptop?03:27
Linux_GaloreAmyRose: no brainer to use03:27
AmyRoseLinux_Galore: I know because I filed a bug on that one :P03:27
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pjmanHey everyone. Should be a simple question (I hope).... Does "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" work with the new bulletproof-X? What's the bet way to re-create my xorg.conf file in the new beta?03:27
AmyRosenosrednaekim: yes03:28
nosrednaekimAmyRose: what model?03:28
cliechtidoes synaptic have its own mystic database that get out of sync with apt?03:28
XeroThe wireless driver works better on Ubuntu than Windows. In Windows the range is from my bedroom to the other room (where the router is)03:28
penguin42pjman: It worked for me03:28
XeroThe range on the bcm43xx driver is from the downstairs kitchen to the router room.03:28
AmyRosenosrednaekim: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212/AR521303:28
Linux_Galorepjman: I find it works but doesnt do it properly if your using nvidia with glx03:28
XeroNo, I don't have more than one kitchen. Just pointing out that the computer is a floor and a few rooms away from the router.03:29
beerfa2pjman, why not use the new system > admin > screens and graphics ui?03:29
AmyRosenosrednaekim: That's what lspci has03:29
nosrednaekimAmyRose: what model of laptop? I think I have the same chipset.03:29
pjmanLinux_Galore: pardon the stupid question but how do I know if I'm using glx? I've been trying to use the nVidia restricted drivers with Compiz. Is that utilizing glx?03:30
Xeropjman, glxinfo03:30
Xeroin terminal03:30
pjmanbeerfa2: That's what messed up my xorg.conf file...03:30
user_Is ffmpeg now a full player?03:30
AmyRosenosrednaekim: It came with my now-dead Toshiba Satellite A65-S126, and now I am using it in a Toshiba Satellite 2455-S3001 (it came with an Orinoco chipset that worked great but didn't support WPA)03:30
user_From synaptic," multimedia player, server and encoder"03:30
Linux_Galorepjman: you need glx to be working to do 3D stuff03:30
AmyRosenosrednaekim: I do love the fact that I could take the Atheros card out of that computer and put it in this one :D03:31
beerfa2pjman: be sure to submit a bug about that if it did.03:31
nosrednaekimAmyRose: miniPCI?03:31
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AmyRosenosrednaekim: Yeah. The neat thing about "built-in" wifi is that it's not really built-in ;)03:31
pjmanLinux_Galore: I had compiz working (using travino's repos) under feisty so that must be using glx. I'll have to read up on it more to understand it.03:31
nosrednaekimlol. i have an extra miniPCI slot... I wonder what I could do with it :)03:32
AmyRoseThis laptop was a year older but cooler than the laptop I had before, and now it's even better after the wifi upgrade03:32
Xeronosrednaekim, install some pizza in it for later use.03:32
nosrednaekimit'd sure be cooked :)03:32
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AmyRoseI went from a 2004 bargain model to a 2003 desktop replacement :D03:32
pjmanbeerfa2: I will if I can reproduce the problem or narrow down what happened after the upgrade. Does anyone know the difference between system > admin > screens and graphics and system > preferences > screen resolutions?03:32
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XeroMine's a 2005 bargain model (the desktop)03:33
XeroOriginally had only 512MB ram, that's been doubled, now once again obsolete.03:33
Xero2.4GHz processor (not too bad)03:33
pjmanit looks to me that screen resolutions should not be included with Gutsy... Screens and Graphics looks to do all the same03:33
nosrednaekimmine is a midrange 2006 lappy03:34
nosrednaekimvery decent03:34
XeroMine's good enough to run Compiz at a decent speed, watch my videos, and play my games, so that's what I call "decent"03:35
nosrednaekimsame here... I can watch HD too03:35
nosrednaekimso thats all I need03:35
XeroI don't need hi-def.03:35
Linux_GaloreI find my Nvidia MX420GO setup doesnt have enough grunt for compiz03:36
XeroJust pop in a dvd and stare at the rapidly flickering box of colors.03:36
nosrednaekimbut I do :) we have a nice Myth-backend with two HD tuners03:36
XeroI have a TV tuner but it sucks.03:36
nosrednaekimXero: lol...reminds me of a joke.03:36
XeroVery blurry, staticy03:36
XeroDecided to just not watch it.03:36
nosrednaekimGreg: hello,this is Linux tech support,how may I help you ?03:36
nosrednaekimUser: I am trying to watch a DVD and its jumping03:37
nosrednaekimGreg: thats DMA03:37
nosrednaekimUser: how do I fix it?03:37
nosrednaekimGreg:blinck your eyes in sync with the DMA.03:37
Linux_GaloreIve been using some HP NC's I purchased on an online auction ($24 each x 4) as front ends to me media server (stream to TV) and a N800 as the remote control03:38
nosrednaekimXero: coolo03:38
Xeronosrednaekim, Actually, it's still unpacking, but it's done downloading.03:39
XeroWireless is slow.03:39
Linux_Galorethe HP NC's already run Linux (XFCE desktop) so they are pretty cool03:39
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savvasthat log is real? :)03:40
XeroMy Wii is going to run Linux in about a year when they've reverse engineered it well enough.03:40
beerfa2pjman: screen resolutions is a user level resolution preference (can be different for every user). The admin screens is xorg configuration03:40
nosrednaekimsavvas: what log?03:40
savvasthe one you didn't post nosrednaekim03:40
XeroThe tech DMA03:40
Linux_GaloreXero: why wait get a PS303:41
XeroLinux_Galore, because I'm poor.03:41
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nosrednaekimsavvas: no lol.... its from a cartoon in a Linux Journal03:41
XeroWhy else would i be on a 2005 budget desktop?03:41
Linux_GaloreXero: off ebay03:41
savvasah darn03:41
nosrednaekimsavvas: although I once did do it to someone who complained about it :)03:41
XeroMy XBox runs XFCE.03:41
savvassame solution? :P03:41
XeroFirefox, Totem, basic Ubuntu setup, really.03:42
nosrednaekimsavvas: certainly....followed by a good !dvd for good measure03:42
ubotuFor playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs03:42
Linux_GaloreXero: companies like HP/IBM/Dell sell their old stock on online auction sites, recently I got a 9 month old HP machine Intel Core 2 duo for US$170 that retailed for over USD$2k03:43
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about bd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:43
XeroUnpacking is done. Setup of packages for Gutsy begins now.03:43
XeroLinux_Galore, HOLY SH**!!!03:43
savvasnothing on bluray discs :)03:43
Linux_GaloreXero: brand new03:43
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about bluray - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:43
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about blu-ray - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:43
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about blueray - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:43
nosrednaekim!blue ray03:43
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about blue ray - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:43
AmyRoseXero: You made me hungry for pizza, so I got a microwave pizza :P03:43
ubotuAcronyms or statements like  noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.03:43
pjmanbeerfa2: thanks for the info03:44
XeroAmyRose, lol03:44
nosrednaekimcook it under your laptop AmyRose?03:44
XeroWhat's jfgi?03:44
beerfa2microwave pizza? eww03:44
AmyRosenosrednaekim: Nah, thankfully, mine's not like an Apple MacBook03:44
savvasdo the software burners support bluray discs?03:44
savvaslike brasero/k3b?03:44
Linux_GaloreXero: allot of the ebay sellers get their stuff from on-line auction sites thats why the models often sold are a year old (even though they are new)03:44
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nosrednaekimAmyRose: i've heard of people cooking eggs on those..lol03:44
XeroI can cook a micropizza on mine.03:45
XeroThe video card is overclocked to double its original clock speed.03:45
savvaswhere's the fun in a laser beam cooking your dinner in 5 minutes?03:45
savvasyou're not even preparing your organism for a food overload :)03:45
Linux_Galoresavvas: pffft whats about all the un armed sharks03:45
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AmyRosenosrednaekim: Yeah, because "The Macbook is not a laptop!"03:46
nosrednaekimAmyRose: and if it is a laptop, there won't be a lap anymore.03:46
savvasLinux_Galore: you might wanna translate that in plain english :p03:46
Xerosavvas, he's asking about the unarmed sharks.03:47
XeroYou know, the sharks that don03:47
Xero't have guns03:47
Linux_Galore42" 1920x1080i LCD + kubuntu 7.10 playing anime - fwah!03:47
beerfa2I'd be more concerned about the sharks with arms03:47
Linux_Galoresavvas: aaah look up Dr Evil and sharks03:47
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XeroWhat is jfgi?03:48
AmyRoseXD http://www.appledefects.com/?p=1503:48
AmyRoseHi Hobbsee03:48
Linux_Galoregot an anime club meeting later today at my place03:48
XeroJust F-ing Google It?03:48
AmyRoseXero: I think you're right about that03:48
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Linux_Galorefor those who havent watched Austin Powers03:52
=== AmyRose is wondering what the heck the difference between a laptop and a notebook is...
AmyRoseIs it a thermal one (as in the case of Macbooks)?03:53
nosrednaekima notebook is what you get when you no longer have a lap.03:53
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savvasLinux_Galore: give me the link again when either macromedia makes a working 64-bit browser plugin, or when gnash begins to really work :P03:53
nosrednaekimsavvas: try nspluginwrapper?03:54
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Linux_Galorelol nosrednaekim beat me to it03:54
savvasnope, I'm using the gnash for now, reporting all the bugs I can find03:54
nosrednaekimfastest guns on IRC, thats me03:54
savvasthat's the point of beta anyway03:55
Linux_Galoreif you have a wii it can play youtube stuff03:56
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savvaswhich irc client are you guys using? xchat?03:56
dndon't you have to pay for the web browser?03:56
Linux_Galoresavvas: Im on konversation03:57
nosrednaekimsavvas: konversation03:57
AmyRosesavvas: Konversation03:57
nosrednaekimdn: what web browser?03:57
DM|ok no matter what i do i cant update to gusty......03:57
savvasis there an echo in here? :)03:57
Linux_Galoresimple clean and does the job03:57
AmyRosesavvas: Nah, we're just fond of Konversation ;)03:57
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savvasah ok03:58
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savvassorry to disappoint you, but it doesn't03:58
AmyRoseI can only get videos to work in Firefox, which I hate...03:58
Linux_GaloreI use to like Xchat but now its like some teenagers myspace app with way too much crap03:58
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savvaswhy it's all the fun!03:59
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savvasthat's why I use irssi haha03:59
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savvasxchat is there though when I like to play my few python programming skills04:00
AmyRoseoops wrong button04:00
AmyRoseI can get Gnash to work on YouTube, but only in Firefox.04:00
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AmyRoseI had to disable the Quit shortcut04:01
savvasAmyRose: how?04:01
AmyRosesavvas: I just install it through the debs in the Gutsy repos...04:01
skinnypuppy1334I still can04:01
Linux_GaloreI wish konqueror could use firefox plugins04:02
savvasIt's not on gecko :P04:02
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AmyRoseLinux_Galore: Uh, can't it?04:02
savvasanyway, duty calls, clinic hours, laters04:02
Linux_GaloreI like the google preview plugin for Firefox04:03
skinnypuppy1334I still can't get saved videos to play without a dot grid layed out over them. I'v installed vlc player and ffmpeg and no change. How can I tell what engine gutsy is using for playback?04:03
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AmyRoseskinnypuppy1334: That would depend on what player you are using under it.04:04
Linux_Galoreie it shows thumb images of web pages next to search results04:04
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HobbseeAmyRose: find out why it doesnt work in konq, and fix it?04:04
skinnypuppy1334Amy both movieplayer and vlc media player04:04
Linux_GaloreAmyRose: I dont like FF myself but konqueror is an incomplete tool for me04:04
AmyRoseskinnypuppy1334: Try MPlayer or Xine-UI04:06
savvasskinnypuppy1334: do you have compiz/3d effects enabled?04:06
skinnypuppy1334Compiz is enabled yes04:06
skinnypuppy1334Mplayer crashes, haven't tried xine yet04:06
savvasthere is a video playback plugin..04:06
AmyRoseLinux_Galore: I like Konqueror and Opera myself04:07
skinnypuppy1334savvas a plugin for compiz-fusion? Could you tell me more?04:07
AmyRoseskinnypuppy1334: You need CompizConfig Settings Manager04:07
savvasskinnypuppy1334: sudo apt-get install python-compizconfig04:07
AmyRoseHobbsee: Uh, how would I do that? I'm not a programmer... ^^;04:07
skinnypuppy1334I've got config manager.04:07
savvasskinnypuppy1334: under utility, there's a video playback plugin, try enable it04:08
HobbseeAmyRose: learn programming :)04:08
savvasok I'm really out :P04:08
nosrednaekimHobbsee: got a speedlearning course on hand?04:09
Hobbseenosrednaekim: not offhand, but google would04:09
Hobbseetechbase tutorials are good04:09
nosrednaekimHobbsee: I meant SPEEDLEARN not RTFM.04:10
Hobbseenosrednaekim: :)04:10
skinnypuppy1334Enabled the video plugin in comp settings manager, no change. still a black dot grid over the video . I'll get xine and see....04:10
skinnypuppy1334I gotta say though I am impressed with gutsy tribe 6 partial upgrade.04:10
nosrednaekimskinnypuppy1334: you running XGL?04:11
skinnypuppy1334Video is fine in firefox browser though.04:11
skinnypuppy1334XGL not that I know of.04:12
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DM|HELP http://pastebin.com/m597070c904:12
AmyRoseskinnypuppy1334: Yeah, if you're using XGL, you'd probably know about it04:12
nosrednaekimAmyRose: not neccesarily04:12
nosrednaekimskinnypuppy1334: do a "glxinfo"04:12
AmyRosenosrednaekim: XGL is a pain to set up...04:12
nosrednaekimand see if you have direct rendering04:13
skinnypuppy1334I haven't had to install anything xgl, not using nvidia video either04:13
nosrednaekimAmyRose: not un gutsy04:13
nosrednaekimAmyRose: fully (and painfully) automatic04:13
AmyRosenosrednaekim: You do know that XGL and AIGLX are not the same thing, right?04:13
nosrednaekimAmyRose: this ain't no idiot04:13
skinnypuppy1334DIrect Rendering Yes04:13
nosrednaekimskinnypuppy1334: hmm ok.04:14
skinnypuppy1334server glx version string: 1.204:14
nosrednaekimskinnypuppy1334: you're not running XGL04:14
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skinnypuppy1334I'll try gxine for kicks.04:15
skinnypuppy1334Gxine won't play the flv or the mp404:19
skinnypuppy1334vlc and movieplayer both work but have a grid of small black dots all over the video area. Looks like a CAD screen with points turned on04:21
beerfa2those have different engines, so probably driver issue or something else04:21
skinnypuppy1334Hmmm works well in feisty.04:22
beerfa2Submit a bug report04:23
skinnypuppy1334Intel 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller04:23
beerfa2that is the purpose of testing the beta after all04:24
skinnypuppy1334I will but figured I'd ask around about engines decoders first since I know little about them04:24
skinnypuppy1334I was using the feisty codecs non free flawless. I don't know what repo they were from though and whether or how to try them on gutsy04:25
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skinnypuppy1334Video codecs were the only thing I used automatix for, then removed it from sources.list04:26
beerfa2the codecs work fine for me. it's not a codec issue04:26
skinnypuppy1334in feisty that is04:26
beerfa2at least not a generic issue04:27
beerfa2why are you using automatix btw? gutsy auto installs codecs04:28
beerfa2you should avoid that automatix crap04:28
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skinnypuppy1334Those non free automatix codecs were the only ones I could get to do much in feisty04:29
beerfa2gutsy detects if you're missing even non-free codecs and installs them automatically04:29
AmyRoseWhat I'd like to know is how exactly Automatix screws up a system. I keep hearing that it does, but never anything more detailed than that.04:29
beerfa2automatix has no purpose04:29
ubotuAutomatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)04:29
skinnypuppy1334It did. It got its own codecs when I first opened the video files04:30
beerfa2AmyRose: someone posted a detailed review of automatix. google for it04:30
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PumpernickelNo need to google it, it's linked in the factoid.04:31
beerfa2yeah, just noticed that :-)04:31
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towliebahas anyone here installed kubuntu in a virtual machine04:36
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_dan_i did once04:36
beerfa2I booted it as a live cd once...that's all I could take though04:37
slimzanyone feel like helping me get my wireless back to roaming mode?04:37
slimzfor some reason  my system tray icon dissapeared andi had to set it all manually04:37
_dan_slimz did u try the windows fix? reboot?04:38
slimzalso being manually connected like this it keeps randomly disconnecting04:38
slimzyes of course04:38
slimzthere used to be an option in admin->network to switch to roaming mode, but its gone04:39
beerfa2is network manager still in system > preferences > session ?04:39
beerfa2is it running?04:39
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XeroFeisty also autoinstalls codecs...04:40
AmyRosetowlieba: Yeah, I have04:40
AmyRoseXero: Isn't that only true on GNOME though?04:40
towliebaAmyRose, what virtual machine did you use ?04:40
slimzrightnow its nm-applet --sm--disable04:40
AmyRosetowlieba: VirtualBox04:40
slimzsame for my volume manager04:40
XeroAmyRose, I think so.04:40
defconok I installed Ubuntu Tribe 5 and I have been doing update-manager -d will this update me to the complete Gutsy final eventually?04:40
_dan_slimz did u check weather your network card is enabled? drivers loaded?04:40
AmyRoseXero: So that's useless to the n00bs who prefer KDE... :(04:41
defconkde sucks04:41
_dan_dont use words like n00b04:41
defconi know some driver programmers that use kde, why would they04:41
towliebaheres what happens when i try to install kubuntu 7.10 with parallels as the VM and a new virtual hard drive and an iso as the virtual CD04:41
towlieba1. i boot the live cd and see a brief ACPI related error that flashes by 2. i choose the first option which is start/install kubuntu 2. i see the blue kubuntu logo with the progress bar moving back and forth 3. the progress bar hangs at the left of the progress bar. 4. i see the gui for a second then the screen refreshes and goes black 5.  i see starting K Display manager then starting cupsds 6. nothing else happens after04:42
towlieba waiting for 15 minutes04:42
slimz_dan_, i didnt need, it is on a thinkpad laptop, the only restricted drivers was for the atheros hardware layer04:42
skinnypuppy1334How much ram total and how much are you dedicating to that machine ?"04:42
_dan_slimz did u check weather drivers for the card is loaded? and yes, u do need driver for the card04:42
_dan_try cat /proc/dev/net04:42
towliebaskinnypuppy1334, i have 2gb total, 1gb for the vm04:42
_dan_to see weather its there04:42
slimz_dan_ none show up for it to enable in restricted drivers, and im using the wireless right now04:43
slimz_dan_, i just cant get the applet to start or to go into roaming more04:43
skinnypuppy1334You should be ok, I had those problems with only 512,04:43
_dan_its not about restirced04:43
_dan_slimz ok04:43
_dan_the executable for the applet is called nm-applet can u start it manually out of a console?04:43
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Xero!u | dan04:45
ubotudan: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..04:45
slimz_dan_, slimz@slimz-laptop:~$ nm-applet04:45
slimz/bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found04:45
j4is this thing working?04:45
XeroUse the grammar you would use when writing in this channel, please. This channel reflects the Ubuntu community and needs to be very professional and family friendly.04:45
slimzwow language bot04:45
_dan_xero u can either accept me saying u, or u can ask me to leave this channel and i wont help ppl her anymore, your choice04:46
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slimz4real or 1mom mite think 1 4m hackar andcall thecopz04:46
_dan_slimz did it start, did u try installed esd?04:47
Xero_dan_, I don't even know what to say to that. You could've at least either ignored it or been a bit nicer. If that's how you want to do things, I guess it's not my choice, but yours. Leave if you want, otherwise, stay and do whatever.04:47
_dan_its the gnome sound deamon, i dont see a reason why it wont run without out but hmm, did the applet start?04:48
XeroMeh. Whatever.04:48
slimz_dan_, E: Couldn't find package esd04:48
AmyRose!u | _dan_04:48
ubotu_dan_: Unless you're Dutch or Flemish, or a government officier, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..04:48
_dan_Xero i am getting tired of ppl, lurking in channel pasting bot commands, accept it, ignore me, ask me to leave04:48
slimzXero,  i need the ubuntu help thanks, not a language lesson04:48
slimzthis isnt channel ENGLISH04:49
Xeroslimz, then stop complaining and ignore my request.04:49
beerfa2did I slip into the WoW channel?04:49
XeroIs it that hard? No.04:49
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slimzso ignore _dan_04:49
slimzis it that hard?04:49
Hobbseeslimz: you should only be concerned that you're putting yourself forward as about 10 years old, by the language you're using04:49
Hobbseebut, if you dont care, then..04:49
_dan_haha do u really think, saying u instead of you says *anything* abouzt the physical age of a person, well think again if U dont wanna be taken as a child04:50
slimzannoying isn't it?04:50
_dan_well back to topic04:50
_dan_slimz did the applet start or not?04:50
AmyRose_dan_: Yes, it does. =P04:50
ubotu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!04:50
_dan_AmyRose well that says more about than me04:51
slimz_dan_, no it did not04:51
j4does any one know of a driver for trident that supports open gl or glx?04:51
=== Hobbsee will boot the next person who goes on about language.
Xeroslimz, I try to make the channel a bit more professional. If you don't care, then ignore the request. It's amazing how immature people can take a request by a person and escalate it into an argument.04:51
DanaGWhenever I see the letter 'u' alone, I think "oooo".04:51
XeroHobbsee, okay. I'll stop "ranting" (if you can call it that) now.04:51
slimzDanaG, that's because you're obviously new to irc04:51
HobbseeXero: of course, those who like using aimspeak can easily be ignored, too.04:52
_dan_slimz i had the same problem with tribe 5 whenn i installed it but it went away in a few days, do u have the latest packages?04:52
_dan_Xero whatever makes u feel yourself superior *yawn*04:52
beerfa2Xero: someone who's language like "(09:48:31 PM) Xero: Just F-ing Google It?" shouldn't preach at others04:52
slimz_dan_, no i am running an upgrade now, but it keeps timing out and starting again, i guess i will just let it finish, then look into it further afterwards04:52
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Hobbseeanyone else?04:53
slimzwow thanks guys04:53
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Xeroslimz, I have been on IRC for years. Maybe I enjoy not getting into a habit and getting my grades screwed up at school? I'm not superior, either, _dan_.04:53
DanaGActually, I think 'u' intentionally.04:53
XeroNow boot me.04:53
_dan_slimz sry i cant help u anymore, maybe some other ppl will join04:53
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DanaGIt makes the other person sound bad.04:53
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slimzthe guy is just trying to help me, this is the last time i come to this channel04:54
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Hobbseedid i miss anyone?04:54
Xero Sorry for being a grammar Nazi, but I wasn't really trying to start a flamewar.04:54
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AmyRoseXero: I think ubotu is more of a grammar Nazi.04:55
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skinnypuppy1334Is there a web based forum for gutsy beta users?04:56
ubotuThe Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org04:56
Hobbseeskinnypuppy1334: yes, in ^04:56
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skinnypuppy1334thx bot + Hobbsee04:56
hdevalenceI'm having problems with Kaffeine04:56
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hdevalenceIt won't start, and when I run from a console with --verbose, it doesn't give me anything, not even the usual "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 171"04:58
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XeroWhy was I under a silence ban anyway? Not picking at or on anyone. I just want to know why I was under silence when others who did the same thing weren't.04:58
AmyRoseAnd why was I /removed?04:58
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XeroAmyRose, don't push it. I'm likely to get kickbanned just for asking that.04:58
=== Hobbsee wonders why it's so hard for people to drop the issue, and behave.
HobbseeAmyRose: i warned pepole - i said i'd boot anyone who continued with the language discussions.  and you did.04:59
XeroHobbsee, sorry. Didn't know I was carrying it on. Just said I didn't mean to start a flamewar.04:59
HobbseeXero: fair enough04:59
AmyRoseI didn't mean to start a flame war either05:00
XeroAmyRose, I don't think you did. You just fanned it a bit (so did I)05:00
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XeroOkay. Back on topic before anyone else gets ban/removed.05:00
hdevalenceShould I file a bug report? How would I go about doing that?05:00
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hydrogen!bug | hdevalence05:01
ubotuhdevalence: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots05:01
XeroYeah. My laptop is updating F->G05:01
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HobbseeAmyRose: which ones?05:02
hdevalenceThe only reason I'm running Gutsy is that Feisty doesn't like my hardware...05:02
hydrogenso what will ubuntu do after Zany Zealot is released?05:02
AmyRoseHobbsee: Mostly the openoffice.org ones. Somehow these packages aren't being configured05:02
Xerohydrogen, Oney One.05:03
AmyRosehydrogen: Hopefully we never have a release called THAT05:03
_dan_hydrogen start over again, there is actually a faq question for that i remember reading somewhere ;)05:03
skinnypuppy1334Can't wait for Antsy AntEater05:03
HobbseeAmyRose: use apt-get -f install05:03
hydrogenI'd think that one would have to start using double letters...05:03
XeroGooey Grub.05:03
XeroThe version that fixes a lot of problems with the bootloader.05:03
AmyRoseHobbsee: Thanks, I forgot about that command05:03
Hobbseewe have problems with the bootloader?05:04
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XeroHobbsee, no. There probably will be, though.05:04
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XeroEven GRUB/LILO aren't perfect.05:04
skinnypuppy1334Gutsy handled installing a tripple boot grub for me with 704 and winderz05:04
level1Xero: whats the deal with grub 2?  is it any better?05:04
Xerolevel1, never tried it.05:04
penguincentralhi.  I am having trouble with the realvnc viewer in gutsy.  I can't enter my password in the window given when i type in vncviewer <ip address>.05:05
XeroI've heard it sucks, though.05:05
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hydrogenaahrus aardwolf05:05
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skinnypuppy1334I have to have windoz for mastercam05:05
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skinnypuppy1334I ditched it with 5.0 ubuntu after playing with suse a while05:06
hydrogenbut I've gotten to running it in virtualbox05:06
_dan_i never was into windows, dos ->linux directly05:06
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level1I still have it, intend to use it for games but too lazy05:06
XeroDitech is insurance or something, isn't it?05:06
AmyRoseBack in 2004, I had to deal with people pointing out what "cool" things they could do on Windows. Then Compiz and Beryl came out, and I was the one with the last laugh =)05:06
skinnypuppy1334Virtual box made windows machines fine, but had crc issues with installing from known good files05:06
skinnypuppy1334vmware server no probs05:06
XeroI use Wine/Cedega for games. Cedega is basically just for when programs won't work on Wine.05:07
level1AmyRose: since when were their cool things you can do with windows?05:07
XeroThat's a very seldom occasion, though.05:07
penguincentralXero: how much is cedega?05:07
AmyRoselevel1: That's why I put "cool" in quotation marks.05:07
Xeropenguincentral, $pirated.0005:07
level1Xero: I wish we could re engineer all the cedega stuff for wine05:07
hydrogenall you need to do05:07
AmyRosePeople seem to care more about shiny eye-candy than about actual functionality, so when I started using Beryl, and now Compiz, they were so jealous...05:08
skinnypuppy1334CAD/CAM still pretty windows based. I do use EMC2 cnc machine controller on ubuntu though. Linuxcnc.org05:08
hydrogenis use cedaga svn/cvs05:08
hydrogenand its legally free05:08
penguincentralMSG Xero Where did you get it from?05:08
hydrogenits only the releases they charge for05:08
penguincentralgod damn it05:08
AmyRosehydrogen: I have tried getting that working for ages, but I could never get the stupid thing to compile05:08
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=== Xero has a blue theme, complete with custom Emerald and CrystalBlue mouse theme.
=== penguincentral likes Clearlooks a lot
Jordan_UAmyRose, What were you trying to compile?05:09
XeroMy GTK windows are even tinted slightly blue.05:09
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=== Jordan_U likes clearlooks also
AmyRoseJordan_U: I was talking about Cedega CVS05:10
=== penguincentral and Jordan_U have something in common...
Jordan_UAmyRose, Oh, that's definitely a pain.05:10
AmyRoseJordan_U: yeah, but hydrogen said they could do it05:11
hydrogenIt worked well for me05:11
hydrogenbut I just switched to virtualbox05:11
Jordan_UAmyRose, There was an ebuild for it for Gentoo at one point but then Cedega got angry and they stopped packaging it05:11
hydrogenI have a copy of xp.. and it works much smoother than the not an emulater05:11
AmyRoseI have no legal right to run Windows anyway05:11
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AmyRoseXero: Clever :D05:11
AmyRosehydrogen: Yeah, but I have no legal copies of Windows, and I switched to Linux to avoid XP.05:11
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skinnypuppy1334I wish schools would quit using windows05:12
XeroI have a legal copy of XP, but the license key is messed up so I had to pirate it on my 3rd install or so.05:12
Jordan_UI have no legal or illegal copies of Windows :)05:12
AmyRoseI have no idea why Vista requires so much when Compiz can do more than Vista, on a Pentium III05:12
skinnypuppy1334I'll second that05:12
XeroBecause Vista sucks.05:12
=== penguincentral seconds it too
skinnypuppy1334I saw vista for the first time today. GAG05:13
=== penguincentral agrees with Xero again
XeroI used Vista once.05:13
XeroThe Aero interface looked nice, but I can get that on Linux, plus more.05:13
XeroOtherwise, it sucked the biggest ones ever.05:13
AmyRoseMy sister's boyfriend skipped high school to buy Vista Ultimate. What a waste of $400 US05:13
Jordan_UThe blur in Vista makes me think I don't have my glasses on, I hate it ( don't use it in Compiz either )05:14
skinnypuppy1334Is there a setting in fusion to stand the windows off the cube surface when rotating?05:14
hydrogenskipping school to buy a new OS?05:14
penguincentralAmyRose: that's strange05:14
hydrogenwhat a geek :)05:14
ubotuFor help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents05:14
XeroI use the blur, but only in showoff sessions with many friends gathered around the computer.05:14
hydrogenwhat a misguided geek05:14
Jordan_UAmyRose, That's depressing05:14
penguincentralhydrogen: at least with ubuntu i can download it straight after school :)05:14
XeroSlowmode cube time05:15
AmyRoseYeah, my mom said "So, are you excited about Vista?" sarcastically, and I told her "No, I'm more excited about Kubuntu Feisty" and she said "Smart move!"05:15
XeroActually, I have a script run by cron to update my Ubuntu.05:16
=== hydrogen goes off to bed before he says something utterly humerous and inapporpriate
XeroEvery night at midnight, sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get upgrade05:16
hydrogenthats just silly05:16
XeroThis computer runs a web server. It's http://www.xero-games.com05:17
AmyRoseShe doesn't use Linux, and she was suspicious at first when I switched, but at least now she knows I have been able to get along without Windows for almost 4 years, so... :D05:17
hydrogenthat makes it even sillier05:17
hydrogenas an admin you should be sure you keep an eye on what is being updated05:17
hydrogendoing it automatically is asking for problems to occur05:17
Xerohydrogen, okay then. I'll just take the task out of my crontab and whatnot and do it every frickin day.05:18
hydrogenas long as you keep an eye on what it is that is being updated05:18
AmyRoseXero: Why are you advocating a bloated web browser (Firefox) anyway? :P05:18
XeroAmyRose, my visitors use IE.05:18
hydrogenthen advocate opera05:19
XeroOpera is closed source.05:19
hydrogenwhich is the best browser currently existing05:19
hydrogenexcept for maybe dogg05:19
XeroYucky yuck yuck.05:19
hydrogenits still hands down the best option05:19
hydrogenoutperforms anything out there05:19
AmyRosehydrogen: Opera05:19
XeroOpera could have a keylogger in it. Do you know? Nope. There's no source code.05:19
AmyRoseI normally use Konqueror myself05:19
hydrogenhave you audited the firefox source code?05:20
hydrogenit could just as easily have a keylogger in it05:20
Xerohydrogen, I've looked at it a few times.05:20
hydrogenand no one would know05:20
AmyRoseHave you checked secunia?05:20
hydrogenbecause its a gigantic web of mess05:20
AmyRoseOpera and Konq are on top05:20
hydrogenthat is absolutely unfollowable05:20
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XeroI like my extensions, so eat my flaming interweb cookiez.05:21
AmyRoseXero: But Firefox doesn't care about text shadows and MNG support, while Konqueror and Opera (9.5 a1) have support for those.05:21
hydrogenI bet you like your ram usage as well05:21
XeroActually, yes.05:21
XeroI'm only using 393MB RAM on the whole system right now, running FF, Thunderbird, Kopete, Deluge, XChat, the entire GNOME desktop, and an update manager.05:22
XeroOnce again, bite my flaming interweb cookies.05:22
penguincentralcan anyone help me out with vncviewer 4.1.1 on gutsy?05:22
AmyRoseXero: But have you audited those extensions? Many of the popular ones have been known to be security risks (I know Greasemonkey has been outright dangerous, at least in the past)05:22
AmyRosepenguincentral: What package are you using to provide it?05:23
penguincentralAmyRose: i think it's realvnc05:23
penguincentralit's the one that came with gutsy05:23
XeroAmyRose, I don't use Greasemonkey, and if something were malicious, it would probably say 'Windoze onlee nub! me need tu exployt a thingie!!!'05:23
Jordan_Upenguincentral, Not updating?05:23
=== Jordan_U is hoping that bug has been fixed by now
AmyRosepenguincentral: What problem are you experiencing?05:24
penguincentralwhen i type in vncviewer <ip address>, i can't type anything into the text boxes provided for the password etc05:24
penguincentralwhen i was on feisty you would type the password into the terminal, but now it throws up a window that i can't even type in05:25
penguincentralwhat do you think AmyRose?05:26
AmyRoseI'm not sure...05:26
AmyRoseI know there are other VNC viewers available05:26
penguincentralok, but for now, type vncviewer into the terminal.05:26
AmyRosepenguincentral: I just thought of something. Are you keeping your mouse pointer on the text box in the window that pops up?05:26
AmyRoseOtherwise it probably won't work if it's realvnc05:27
penguincentralyeah, but it does nothing05:27
penguincentralhold on05:27
penguincentralit works now05:27
penguincentralbut very flaky05:27
AmyRosepenguincentral: Funny, now *I* can't get it to work05:28
penguincentralthanks AmyRose05:29
XeroFeisty>Gutsy update takes forever and a week.05:30
penguincentralXero: try it on dial-up like speeds05:30
Xeropenguincentral, how long is that? 2 days or more?05:30
XeroMine's 3 hours and counting.05:30
skinnypuppy1334like drinking a pond through a straw05:30
penguincentrali did an update, about 40 MB yesterday, and it took about half a day05:30
XeroThis update is a gig or so.05:31
penguincentralbut this is because my broadband is shaped, next week i am back to normal05:31
penguincentralXero, oh oh.  how fast is your connection?05:31
XeroI think it's 3mbit (comcast+Speedbooster)05:31
penguincentralXero: I am on 17mbps Telstra Cable Extreme Broadband.  What is speedbooster?05:32
Xeropenguincentral, I don't know.05:32
XeroHow many kilobytes per second do you download, penguincentral, and I'll tell you if mine;s faster or slower.05:32
XeroI don't really keep track of my speeds.05:33
XeroIt's usually around 700kilobytes per second, though.05:33
penguincentraldo you mean when you are downloading a file, or the speedtest results?05:33
penguincentralbecause i posted my speedtest results on my blod05:34
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Xeropenguincentral, when downloading.05:34
penguincentraloh, but anyway here are my speedtest results http://computeruser.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/this-small-time-blogger-has-broadband/05:34
penguincentralit depends on what i am using05:34
penguincentraluncapped downloading an flv from keepvid using wget 40kB/s05:35
penguincentralthat's the only downloader that will download those files05:35
Xeropenguincentral, my speedtest says I'm on a 20MBit05:36
Xero:) I are winnar for you.05:36
penguincentrali use DownThemAll for most other things, i get between 100kB/s to about 1000kB/s.  I think i reached 2 - 3 mB/s once05:36
penguincentralfor everything else in between, it's 80 kB/s to about 300 kB/s05:36
XeroI've reached 4 megabytes per second on a premium downloads server (rapidshare premium).05:36
penguincentralit's pretty good, although i can only download 12GB per month05:36
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penguincentraltorrenting is about 20 - 100 kB/s, but on the ubuntu gutsy 7.10alpha5 torrent, it was bloody fast (i forget the speeds)05:37
penguincentrali use utorrent under wine05:37
_dan_lotsa upgrade packages today05:38
_dan_anyone any idea why -generic kernel wont let me adjust brightness on my laptop?05:38
XeroAdvertisement for Speedtest on the bottom. Those are my speeds.05:38
penguincentral_dan_: good to hear from you again.  I have 90 updates which total to 121.9 MB, and this is off the main server ;)05:38
_dan_155 packages for me, upgrading is at fullspeed as always05:39
penguincentralXero: is that your website?05:39
_dan_more concernd about my brightness settings ;) so weird, 386 kernel does it perfectly, -generic doesnt, maybe i should fill  a bug report but i cant exclude me doing something wrong05:39
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Xeropenguincentral, yes.05:40
XeroIt's for a middle school. Don't ask.05:40
penguincentralXero: ok then.  do you pay for the domain name? do you run your own web server?05:40
Xeropenguincentral, yes. Yes.05:40
XeroIt's hosted at this house, on Apache2, Ubuntu 7.1005:41
XeroThe domain name is $10/year from Godaddy.com05:41
XeroThe whois isn't masked, sadly.05:41
penguincentralXero: nice.  I have a dynamic ip address, which makes running my own web server very hard.05:41
Xeropenguincentral, do this: get a dyndns and a domain.05:41
_dan_penguincentral get a dyndns then05:41
XeroFind out the IP of that dyndns and put the domain's A record to it.05:42
XeroUpdate the dyndns frequently.05:42
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penguincentralXero, _dan_: I will consider it, but I don't have a machine that i can keep running for a webserver, and my 12GB allowance also covers uploads05:42
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penguincentralXero, are you with godaddy?05:43
Xeropenguincentral, yes.05:43
penguincentralyay for Whois!05:43
XeroI don't work for them, if that's what you mean.05:43
penguincentralnot for work, but where ur domain is with05:43
Xeropenguincentral, I think my address may be on that whois. Don't hitman me!!!05:44
_dan_penguincentral well 12g is a bummer, my provider disallowes me running servers anyway, u sure yours allows u that? i guess there are some free webhosters anyway and u should get some webspace from your provider normally05:44
XeroGod. My F>G update takes sooooo05:44
mbtNearlyFreeSpeech, if you don't need much more than PHP and a database, is quite nice, and priced pretty right.  My site is with them.05:44
XeroSorry for the enter pressing.05:44
penguincentral_dan_: the 12GB includes uploads.  I don't want to be speed capped every mont05:45
_dan_penguincentral yep, dont u have webspace from your provider?05:45
Xeropenguincentral, I get unlimited up/down, but only so much in one second.05:45
_dan_mine gives me 20mb <- lol ;)05:45
penguincentral_dan_: nope05:45
penguincentralXero: i don't think your address is there, and i don't do hitman stuff05:46
XeroI guess I have the premium 1337ness. 20mbit up/down, no limits.05:46
penguincentrali'm just a podcaster: http://penguincentral.co.nr05:46
mbtAnyone know if/when sun-java6-plugin will be available for 64-bit architectures?05:46
XeroAnyone want me to host Ubuntu ISOs on my site?05:46
Xerohttp://www.xero-games.com/gutsy.iso :)05:47
AmyRoseXero: Wouldn't you rather host Ubuntu ISOz instead of ISOs? :P05:47
Xerolol AmyRose.05:47
penguincentralXero: your address is not on whois05:48
XeroSomeone please download from that and tell me what speed you're getting.05:48
penguincentralbut your full name is05:48
Xeropenguincentral, good.05:48
Xeropenguincentral, my middle name sucks.05:49
penguincentralno no Xero, just Ryan King05:49
Xeropenguincentral, oh.05:49
XeroThat's fine, though.05:49
AmyRoseXero: It just matches what your /whois says here05:49
penguincentralif you are really interested05:49
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=== penguincentral needs a webhost
=== Jordan_U does also
XeroSitelutions is free btw. I use it for my A and MX records.05:50
=== Jordan_U whois, not need a webhost :
=== penguincentral goodles Sitelutions
XeroYou need a domain to use it.05:50
=== penguincentral has shockin' typing today
Xeropenguincentral, do you want a subdomain of Xero Games?05:51
XeroI'll make you a 20GB partition and give you access to my large disk.05:51
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penguincentralXero: i will take it gladly05:52
Xeropenguincentral, then give me a while to set it up and its yours for free.05:52
=== penguincentral is grateful of Xero
XeroActually, you know what? I'll make it 250 GB instead of 20. I don't use that drive.05:52
penguincentralok Xero05:52
XeroI'll give you an SSH account, write access to the large disk, and you can do whatever.05:53
penguincentralok Xero, i sent you a private message05:54
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_dan_anyone any idea why -generic kernel wont let me adjust laptop brightness while 386 lets me  (sony:laptop) module06:04
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_dan_in my places men u i got 2 entries called "Desktop" how can i get rid of one?06:08
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Nicolethohello, i just installed a new user on my system, the only thing wrong is my windows partition shows on the desktop and i cannot unmount it. I dont want anyone to be able to see that partition so they dont delete any OS files06:17
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darwin81I don't know if this is a stupid idea, but here goes. I was wondering if there was way I could put the Ubuntu CD on a USB Hard Drive and install it from there.06:25
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mbtdarwin81: There is a way to do that with Debian, as I understand it.  You should be able to folllow their directions and do the same thing with Ubuntu, I would think.  It would, as I recall, require an alternate install CD.06:28
AmyRosedarwin81: I'm sure it's possible, but I wouldn't know how to do it06:28
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darwin81It would be really cool if you could because I'm tired of burning CDs, losing them, and having to waste more06:30
_dan_you can order ubuntu cds for free06:30
mbtActually, I think I remember seeing an option for that in expert mode.06:30
_dan_they take a while to come, but its free, really really nice06:31
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aliguoriif I had a patch I really wanted to make sure got applied to gfxboot by the time gutsy ga'd, is there someone (or a mailing list) i could ping?06:33
aliguorithere's a bug entry that I just updated but being so close to release, I want to make sure it doesn't get lost in the noise06:33
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Hobbseealiguori: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Sponsorship/SponsorsQueue06:36
Hobbseealso https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing06:37
DanaGOh hey, who said they use cedega?06:37
DanaGI'm curious: how does Steam deal with CVSCedega?06:38
DanaGI'd be worried about it being detected as a cheat.06:38
_dan_where can i file a bug?06:38
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots06:38
DanaGOh, and OpenAL games with EAX... stupid Creative and their monopoly.06:38
HobbseeDarkX: cdrw's are good06:38
DanaGOh yeah, the computer sci / computer engineering computer labs at my college (Cal Poly) just got rid of Windows entirely, and now use solely Linux.06:39
DanaGIt's Fedora 7.  :|06:40
DanaGThey run windows apps, over RDP, in seamless mode, from a Win2k3 server.06:40
aliguoriHobbsee, thanks!  although that's a fair bit more complicated than I had hoped06:41
DanaGOh yeah, for updates, I insist on seeing changelogs.06:41
Hobbseealiguori: no problem.  if you need help, ask in #ubuntu-motu06:44
Hobbseedisclaimer:  unsure if there are many people there today, as it's a sunday06:44
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Hobbseealiguori: what bug #, out of interest?06:44
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aliguoriHobbsee, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gfxboot/+bug/14071306:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 140713 in gfxboot "Gutsy Tribe 5 (KVM GUEST) needs -no-kvm to install" [Medium,Triaged] 06:46
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aliguoriwoah, nice :-)06:46
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HobbseeRAOF: ping06:47
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Hobbseeoh, hmm, he's probably not here06:48
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about apt-zeroconf - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:48
DanaG!bug 11114506:52
ubotuLaunchpad bug 111145 in linux-source-2.6.20 "sigmatel STAC9250 on ATI HDA SB on gateway laptop - no sound capture " [Medium,Won't fix]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/11114506:52
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DanaGI have the same issue in my M685.06:52
DanaGOh yeah, I still seriously need a new hostname for my laptop.06:53
DanaG"m685" is reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally lame.06:53
_dan_how is your desktop called?06:53
DanaGI don't have a desktop now, actually.06:54
DanaGThe only creative hostname I've thought of is "amaterasu" for a laptop that ran at 70 C idle and up to 87 C load.06:54
DanaGThat's not this one, though.  That one was an Athlon XP-M 1400+ (1200MHz), but my current laptop is a Core Du0 1.83GHz, that runs 35 - 40 idle, and up to 63 or 67, full-load-both-cores.06:55
scipiohow do you see the temp DanaG ?06:57
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DanaGOh, there's sensors-applet.06:58
DanaGThat reads my ACPI temperature.06:58
scipioah thanks :)06:58
DanaGOh, and there's the hardware-monitor applet that reads my "coretemp" sensors, too.06:58
DanaGThe oddest thing I see sometimes: ACPI temp jumps to 66 or 70 C and sticks there, and fans speed up.  The two core temperatures stay low, and go down as low as 30 due to the fans being on high.06:59
DanaGI have to reboot to fix the ACPI temperature.06:59
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masterlokiwhere can I get the restricted drivers for flash and videos07:21
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defconcan someone assign this bug to gutsy or the correct place https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-driver-i810/+bug/14672807:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 146728 in xorg "[Gutsy Beta]  Dots on 16bit Video i810" [Undecided,New] 07:35
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defconmy i810 xorg driver is bad in gutsy, i get dots all over videos, can I use feisty's driver?07:51
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CoasterMasteris the beta relatively stable?07:57
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nIRV_hey does tracker index openoffice write 2.x file format?08:00
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jp21Hi.  I was told that I could find the ISO that has the option "use entire disk with lvm/encrypted" here:  https://iso.qa.stgraber.org/08:03
jp21There was a link to an iso the other day but it doesn't seem to be there anymore.08:03
jp21Does anyone know where I can find one that has "use entire disk with lvm/encrypted" options?08:04
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RAOFHobbsee: Pong!  I suppose that was about kvm?08:09
HobbseeRAOF: yep08:09
RAOFHobbsee: I'll look at the bug, but "kvm dies on boot for some things" is a known upstream bug.08:10
HobbseeRAOF: i have no idea if the patch is sane08:11
jp21RAOF:  Did encryption on install make it into the beta?08:11
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jp21RAOF:  The link you gave me the other day doesn't seem to work today.08:12
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RAOFjp21: I'm typing this from a laptop with LVM-on-crypt, as set up by the beta disc.08:12
jp21sweet deal!08:13
RAOFHobbsee: Oh, sweet lord.  It's been a while since I've done any assembly coding :)08:14
HobbseeRAOF: :)08:14
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tichdoes the switch from feisty to gutsy have many changes to bluetooth?08:19
jp21RAOF:  Is this the correct link for the installer that I should be testing:  http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/7.10/ubuntu-7.10-beta-alternate-i386.iso08:19
jp21For encryption on install that is.08:20
jp21I just want to make sure that I get the right one.08:20
tichRAOF, is there somewhere that details bluetooth setup for gutsy?08:20
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tichi've searched the forums and google but can't find anything definitive.08:22
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ding_Anyone try installing GG in vmware? I'm having trouble installing the vmware-tools. The vmhgfs module doesn't install....08:24
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tichhow would i check if i have modules loaded?08:27
macogwis intel wireless working properly in gutsy?08:27
macogwtich: lsmod08:27
macogwbrowsing the forums a bit ago it looked like intel wireless wasnt working on gutsy for a bit, so i'm wondering if it's fixed before i upgrade08:27
tichmy wireless works great.  (and most of the documentation for thinkpads seems to confirm that)08:28
macogwis it intel wireless?08:28
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towliebanhave any of you installed the beta of kde 4 ?08:29
macogwi have ipw3945 and its always worked great, but i heard intel was changing the drivers and so i dont know how that's going08:29
tichyes it is intel.  actually thinkwiki says that it could be unstable but i haven't found it to be.08:30
tichmaybe i am just lucky.08:30
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macogwi wonder if the sky2 driver has improved08:30
tichoh scratch that... i should have read further...08:30
macogwim going to get disconnected 20 times trying to download the upgrade since i'm using my wired connection08:31
tichit says with an update of wpa_supplicant it should be fine08:31
macogwi have the weirdest linux system ever.  rock solid wireless and flaky wired internet08:31
unraveli wish i had your problem, macogw08:31
tichyeah that does seem a bit backwards.  but kinda nice for travelling!08:32
macogwthere's no wireless in my dorm though08:32
tichthe grass is always greener.08:32
macogwwell sky2 dies at high throughput08:33
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macogwso if you try to download anything, the wired driver goes missing08:33
macogwhave to rmmod and modprobe it to get internet going again08:33
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macogwi was rebooting a few times a day to get the internet working again for about 6 months08:33
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macogwhmm what other questions did i have before upgrading....08:34
macogwis compiz fusion in gutsy?08:34
riotkittiei need to find a wireless usb adapter that doesnt make me want to stab it.08:34
riotkittieno, its in the repos, tho, i think08:34
macogwby trendnet08:34
macogwwhats the default desktop effects in gutsy?08:34
macogwer....pre-installed ones i guess, not exactly default08:34
jp21I wish Network Manager 0.7 was to go final before Gutsy goes final.08:34
riotkittiethere's some minor compiz effects going on ... desktop wall's the only one i can remember08:35
macogwso its still old compiz?08:36
macogwthe xserver-xorg-video-intel are now default instead of -i810 for intel systems, right?08:36
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macogwand -intel doesnt need 915resolution to get proper resolutions?08:37
tichdoes anyone know if there is a linux/ubuntu bluetooth irc channel?08:38
tichbluez doesn't seem to have one.08:38
smudge007macogw, I have an i945 and didnt need 915resolution08:38
macogwok i guess i can upgrade then08:39
macogwi cant think of anything else....08:39
macogwSD readers havent been broken again, have they?08:39
DanaGOh wait, for the person with wired-ethernet troubles: ndiswrapper works for wired, too.08:40
macogwthats me08:40
DanaGOh, and for wireless USB, there's Zydas.  But I haven't used it with wpa or wpa2.08:40
macogwwhats funny is the windows driver used to have the same issue08:40
macogwthe buffer was too low08:40
macogwtrendnet's tew424ub uses the Zydas chipset08:40
macogwaccording to a mailing list post, it does work with wpa and wpa208:40
smudge007macogw, sorry haven't tried the readers on mine (which is Sony memstick anyway)08:41
macogwsony ms isnt supported AFAIK08:41
macogwi just remember there being working-but-not-loaded drivers for texas instruments sd in edgy08:41
macogwthen during feisty alphas they were broken, then working for a kernel, then broke again when someone put an old non-working version of the driver back in thinking he was upgrading because he didnt know someone else had already upgraded it beyond that version08:42
DanaGOh, I think there IS some memorystick support.08:44
DanaGHowever, I can't test it -- I have none of those cards.08:44
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macogwas of april there wasnt for Texas Instruments readers, though i do think the dev said that MS would be the next ones he worked on08:47
macogweep just saw that there's a bug in intel sound on gutsy....i hope this works08:48
masterlokiMedia change: please insert the disc labeled08:48
masterloki 'Ubuntu 7.10 _Gutsy Gibbon_ - Alpha i386 (20070823)'08:48
masterlokihow can i work around this to get the install I need08:48
macogwtake the cd entry out of your sources.list08:48
macogwumm.....the upgrade seems to have frozen08:48
tichi think i fixed my bluetooth problem. woohoo. yay.08:48
macogwit stopped on "modifying software channels"/"fetching file 47 of 90"08:49
DanaGI don't have working capture with my hda-intel.08:49
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tichhas anyone had a problem with the computer locking up if they run a fullscreen (3d) game?08:50
macogwive never had a mic so i wouldnt know on that08:51
tichmy microphone doesn't work.  it will send sound through the speakers but not to applications (like sound recorder or skype)08:52
macogwhmmm, fairly good download rates on the upgrade...therefore, likely to disconnect08:56
macogwas long as download speeds are slow, sky2 is ok08:56
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darrendhow do I disable NetworkManager permanently (so it doesn't start after a reboot at least)08:58
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macogwsystem > pref > sessions08:59
macogwremove it from startup09:00
macogwdarrend: ^09:00
tichmacogw, you beat me to it ;-)09:00
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darrendmacogw: isn't that just the applet?  I want the service disabled too..09:00
macogwi think the applet starts the service, doesnt it?09:01
darrenddon't think so.. the service is running before a gdm login09:02
macogwi knew it kept running after logout but didnt think it started before09:02
macogwthen id guess its in init09:02
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darrendno, it's not (well, not in init.d anyway)09:03
darrendrebooting again now to check..09:03
macogwinstall bootchart.  if it happens during boot stuff, bootchart will show it09:04
darrendyes, it's definitely running before gdm loads after reboot09:05
darrendwhich is what I thought09:05
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chronographerHello anyone else have trouble downloading the msttcorefonts package?  My gutsy install times out when connecting to sourceforge...09:07
chronographerhelp please?09:07
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jp21I remember reading somewhere that Broadcom chipsets will work out of the box on Gutsy.  Does anyone have any experience with this?09:17
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jp21I'm hoping my WMP54GS will work out of the box :)09:17
jp21I guess I'll find out after I'm finished download the beta lol09:19
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chronographerthere seems to be noone else here!09:23
chronographerI have a belkin it worked out of the box09:23
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jp21chronographer:  sweet deal!09:24
chronographeryep!  oh and my printer worked also. it was there when i first booted up thats amazing!09:25
jp21That's what I've heard.  Just plug and play!  Who'd have thunk it?  :)09:26
chronographerwho'd a thunk09:28
jp21lol  forgive me.  I'm bad with sayings.09:28
jp21I really like that they've addressed some of the laptop issues as well.09:29
jp21Now hopefully I can use Ubuntu on the laptop without scalding myself09:30
jp21The fan/cooling control was terrible before.  The CPU would run at max and so would the fans.09:30
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chronographeri see.  tried feisty on a friends laptop but his touchscreen didn't work, neither did the wireless card. When he next visits I will force gutsy on him, see what happens then!09:32
jp21You mean the touchpad?09:32
jp21Or did it actually have a touchscreen?09:32
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jp21My friend at work love it on his laptop.  But he's kinda worried about the battery usage.  So maybe I'll re-install it for him.09:34
jp21Even though it took me many hours to get the thing configured just right.  hehe09:34
jp21He was a huge WinAmp fan09:35
LynoureThe Dynamic power profile heats this up way more now than before...09:35
jp21so when I loaded up xmms he was tickled.  lol09:35
chronographerit has a touchscreen, like a tablet pc09:36
jp21ahhhh  I don't know if that'd work.09:36
chronographerthey can, but this is a cheep no brand lappy which uses wierd parts, nobody else has one in the forums09:36
jp21Lynoure:  is the system you've mentioned giving off more heat an upgrade or fresh install to Gutsy Beta?09:39
Lynourejp21: upgrade09:40
Lynourejp21: I always go for upgrade first, as I think that's more interesting to test...09:41
Lynourejp21: it's basicly fan level 1 vs fan level 2 and 69 Celcius vs. 59 Celcius before.09:43
LynoureBasicly, from processor heatwise, Dynamic, even when I'm not doing more than SSHing out, seems same as Performance, both pushing the system a lot.09:43
jp21that kinda sucks09:44
LynoureWhere can one configure default action for closing the lid, nowadays?09:45
Lynoure(in kubuntu, that is)09:46
jp21I'm still installing the beta.  Otherwise I'd try and find it.09:46
Lynoureok, good luck :)09:46
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nurettini cant remove postfix09:48
jp21I guess a lot of other people are too.  The download speed is terrible.  (150KB/sec)09:48
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nurettinit say apt-get -f install09:48
jscinozHey guys, is there a simple way to create a dummy package for fiesty apps that want an old version of a particular library?09:49
jp21wouldn't you need to resolve the dependency?09:49
nurettinhow resolve09:50
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Hobbseenurettin: then do apt-get -f install, like it tells you09:51
nurettin scalemail depends on postfix (>= 0.0.20010329.SNAPSHOT).09:51
nurettini want remove scalemail but is it error09:51
Hobbseeremove postfix too then, if you insist.09:52
nurettin scalemail09:52
nurettinE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)09:52
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Hobbseenurettin: if scalemail depends on postfix, then you dont have to remove postfix.  you'r ethinking backwards09:53
Hobbseeand the error is higher than that, your 1 line is useless.09:53
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LynoureHobbsee: Any recommendations where I should file a bug where PowerManager seems to treat Dynamic and Performance identically? Or where I can configure the stuff that used to be configurable under klaptop?09:53
Hobbseesarah@LongPointyStick:~$ dpkg -S guidance-power-manager09:54
Hobbseekde-guidance-powermanager: /usr/share/python-support/kde-guidance-powermanager/guidance-power-manager.py09:54
Hobbseekde-guidance-powermanager: /usr/bin/guidance-power-manager09:54
Hobbseekde-guidance-powermanager: /usr/share/autostart/guidance-power-manager.desktop09:54
nurettinwhat command must write ? sudo apt-get remove ????09:54
Hobbseenurettin: why *are* you running gutsy?09:54
LynoureHobbsee: thanks.09:55
nurettinmy laptop sd mmc card reader not running 7.0409:55
nurettinbut in 7.10 running09:55
HobbseeLynoure: as for a more configurable version, i assume you've clicked on the icon, and found those settings.  for more control, use kpowersave09:56
HobbseeLynoure: (there are plans to combine them for kde4, or something, iirc)09:56
LynoureHobbsee: I clicked on the icon, found no settings other than choosing the current profile.09:56
nurettinwhy ask to me of using version ?09:56
Hobbseenurettin: because you dont seem to know much about dependancies at all, and gutsy still breaks.09:57
nurettinwhat is thinking backwards ?09:57
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LynoureHobbsee: previously I could change some settings, like default profiles for battery use, and so on, I think09:57
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HobbseeLynoure: was that g-p-m, kpowersave, or klaptopdaemon?09:57
HobbseeLynoure: oh, left click, not right click?09:58
LynoureHobbsee: ooh. thanks.09:58
nurettinHobbsee: which command resolve my problem remove postfix and dependacies ?09:58
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Hobbseenurettin: i have no idea, you didnt tell me enough information as to why scalemail broke.  you just said that it did.  i dont think you actually want to remove postfix.09:59
nurettinHobbsee: how can i show you information ?10:00
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nurettinHobbsee: chown: cannot access `/var/run/scalemail': No such file or director10:00
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jscinozoh wow my system is going crazy with errors atm.10:02
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jscinozroot and home partition completely full, time to nuke vista partition :D10:02
LynoureWhat's the expected CPU usage of strigidaemon?10:05
nurettinHobbsee: excuse me i resolved10:05
nurettinscale mail reinstall package10:05
LynoureBecause indeed, there is more load, mostly because strigidaemon is taking 97% of the CPU10:05
nurettinand remove package my problem resolved10:05
Lynoureand this is while it shows "idling" as it's status10:06
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mendredhi how can i associate the quick launcher applet's open with file manager option with dolphin? By default it opens konqueror10:31
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cdm10I really disagree with the decision to have effects enabled by default.10:35
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cdm10My card is detected as supporting effects, but there's a "black window bug" which means that when effects are enabled, every so often, every new window shows up black.10:35
cdm10An inexperienced user might not know what to disable to fix it.10:35
_dan_cdm10 install nvidia-glx-new10:35
_dan_and the bug goes away10:35
cdm10_dan_: No, it doesn't, I've been through this.10:35
_dan_ok that suckz then :/10:36
_dan_need help with disabling it?10:36
cdm10_dan_: No, I know what I'm doing. It's just that inexperienced users don't.10:36
_dan_or do u just say defaulting it is bad?10:36
cdm10_dan_: I'm just saying that defaulting it is bad.10:36
_dan_ok, i agree with that btw ;)10:36
cdm10I'm done ranting for today, I've yelled at my computer enough10:37
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pasnoxhi there since i'm on gusty ( it does some sometimes with feisty ) when i let my computer on in night, in the morning all usb device are unusable, and internet connectino is broke ( using usb wifi key ) and computer become very irresponsive10:58
pasnox i need reboot to let it work fine10:58
pasnox and when rebooting because if this probleme many time it freeze10:58
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fulat2khi folks, is there a way to use the cd's cdromupgrade w/o X?  i did a network upgrade on my kubuntu feisty but it failed.  now x doesn't start.11:00
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asisakfulat2k: I guess you can dist-upgrade if the CD repository has been added to your /etc/apt/sources.list11:01
pasnoxnobody know this problem ?11:01
pasnoxhere is a log of messages file : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39126/11:02
hetaumahi! I installed gutsy worked fine but when I booted windows again a program I had fixed MBR so I don't have now grub? how can I boot my installation of gutsy and fix grub? Now I'm working from gutsy's live cd11:02
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto11:03
fulat2kasisak: hmm... ok.  lemme try that.  x doesn't work, but network and the rest of the system is still there.11:06
asisakfulat2k: let me know if you need further help11:07
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fulat2kasisak: thx for the offer.  added cdrom in sources.  now doing and update.11:11
asisakfulat2k: cool :)11:12
_dan_servers for u guys so slow too?11:12
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asisak_dan_: which servers? :)11:13
asisak_dan_: you should probably use a faster one...11:13
asisak_dan_: you mean the ubuntu package mirror?11:13
_dan_exactly :)11:14
asisak_dan_: then you can switch to another mirror.11:14
_dan_i usually get full speed, but now its 80kb11:14
fulat2kasisak: ahh.. something i've never seen on an ubuntu system: python dependency :P11:14
asisak_dan_: Waiting... can also solve this, of course.11:14
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_dan_yeah i will go with the waiting since i dont want to switch to a serveroutside my country11:15
DanaGOh, you can look for other mirrors.11:15
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kurrosSoftware Sources app, Download From -V- Other, and click [Select Best Server] 11:15
_dan_allthough it traces outside my country anyway which is weird but hmm11:15
DanaGGoogle for "Ubuntu mirrors"11:15
kurrosdoes a speed test11:15
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_dan_yeah thx i know that11:16
DanaGOh, and then look for ones at places like colleges.11:16
DanaGFor example, in USA, I use mirrors.kernel.org.11:16
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_dan_i got at.archive.ubuntu.com in my sources list11:17
_dan_weird is, its not in .at11:17
Windkracht8Good day, the special effects in gutsy, what program is that/where can I report a bug, I've got a bug to report11:17
fulat2kasisak: apt-get -f install managed to solve the problem.  now continuing with apt-get dist-upgrade11:17
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asisakfulat2k: yeah, a (hopefully limited) sequence of "apt-get install -f " && "apt-get dist-upgrade" usually solves the upgrade problem.11:18
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ubotuaptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide11:24
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Almindordid nvidia [9xxx driver]  / Xorg just break?11:24
AlmindorI updated since yesterday and am now getting error on loading kernel module on X start (modprobe nvidia works fine tho)11:25
pasnoxhi there since i'm on gusty ( it does some sometimes with feisty ) when i let my computer on in night, in the morning all usb device are unusable, and internet connectino is broke ( using usb wifi key ) and computer become very irresponsive http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39126/11:25
fulat2kasisak: hope this works.  it's strange that apt-get is fetching the packages from the mirror instead of using those in the cd.11:25
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asisakfulat2k: it chooses the source in order of the list.11:28
DanaGwtf?  Version   * debian/patches/64_read_brightness_not_actual_brightness.patch: Read the brightness from /sys/class/backlight/foo/brightness, not actual_brightness. It makes more sense to change based on the brightness that we wanted to set, not the brightness that we actually set.11:28
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DanaGDoesn't make sense to me.... that'll break my brightness changing.11:29
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redheathi everyne11:41
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rexy_heya redheat11:41
redheatI'm installing the nvidia drivers distributed by Nvidia right now, and I have a question regarding an error that just popped out of nowhere telling me that11:41
redheatI don't have the library C development package and they're asking me to install it11:42
redheathi rexy11:42
DanaGdisable nvidia nvidia_new nv11:42
redheathow do I install the Development C package?11:42
redheatlibrary development package11:42
DanaGbuild-essential is the easiest thing, I think.11:43
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redheatDanaG, were you answering my question?11:43
rexy_you can also search in aptitude for specific packages11:43
redheatsorry didn't read that11:43
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redheatrexy, DanaG, are you both answering my question, or someone else's ?11:44
DanaGI was answering yours, in 2 parts.11:44
DanaGOh yeah, the repos have 100.14.11 in them now, as nvidia-glx-new.11:44
DanaGWhy use the nvidia.com package?11:45
rexy_whats new about them?11:45
redheatits better and I can access features like Anti Aliasing..11:45
DanaGWhat version?11:45
DanaGOh yeah, I mis-typed.11:46
DanaGThose are in the repos now.11:46
DanaGSorry for confusing you.11:46
DanaG!info nvidia-glx-new11:46
ubotunvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 100.14.19+ (gutsy), package size 4896 kB, installed size 14848 kB11:46
DanaGHmm, time to put my laptop to sleep, and me too.11:46
redheatDanaG, you mean 100.14.19 is already included with the new Nvidia driver offered by Ubuntu as part of Gutsy Gibbon?11:48
redheatbut still can't get access to the other features like Antia Aliasing..in other words the settings manager for my Nvidia driver?11:49
redheatalso one more question?11:49
redheatwhatever happened to the beautiful and awesome Beryl?11:49
redheatthis whole new compizfusion should be named compizconfusion11:49
redheatgotta go guys..11:50
redheatthank you all for your help11:50
redheattake care and have a nice day or night11:50
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Rudd-Oneed help11:51
Rudd-Oseems gutsy has a bug and it-s preventing my system from starting up11:51
Rudd-Oi-m using a livecd as a stopgap measure11:51
Rudd-Osomeone here with experience in initramfs_11:51
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Rudd-Oplease help!11:52
Rudd-Omy system wont start up, it starts the MD arrays underlying the LVM root volume, but it never gets around to starting the LVM volumes!11:52
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savvasdoes anyone know of any sound equalizer for gnome/kde?11:59
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jussi01is there a kubuntu 7.10 beta DVD?12:01
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savvasjussi01: what rexy_ pointed12:09
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Zoiksso.. I think gutsy and I have managed to stuff up access to one of my hard drives. Who wants to be my hero and help me :)12:15
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rexy_Zoiks: can you access the disk from the livecd?12:21
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Zoiksim getting that12:23
minimecHi folks. Can you confirm some problems with the update-manager? I try to fire up an update for an hour now...12:23
rexy_does dmesg give lots of read errors?12:24
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rexy_can you paste them?12:29
rexy_i'd venture a guess and say the disk is trashed then12:29
finalbetaevery upgrade I've done in gutsy I tried the visual effects settings. every time it has a whole new way of crashing on me. Yet this time, it only freezes up. and the warning dialog ok button doesn't work.12:32
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rexy_zoiks did you check the disk for bad blocks?12:33
enyc I have had many bad disks... or new disks with grown defects that need mapping out before use12:35
Zoiksthats what fsck does yes?12:35
enycZoiks: no12:35
enycZoiks: that only checks structure12:35
enycZoiks: "badblocks" checks every sector12:35
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rexy_well you can force a disk into normal use by mapping out the badblocks yes12:36
rexy_but it's not a very good idea12:36
tichdoes anyone use liferea?  mine broke after the last update.  does anyone else have this problem12:36
enycI like to do a 'badblocks -wvs /dev/sda' or similar on new or re-using disks from KNOPPIX etc... -- this DESTOYS all data tho12:36
enycrexy_: erm... the hard disk does this itself12:36
enycrexy_: but you need to poke it sometimes with badblocks to make its errors disapperar12:36
enycrexy_: they are not 'mapped out' in the filesystem12:36
enycrexy_: the hard disk itself swaps out at sector-level once given a few read/write passes12:37
rexy_i know disk manage bad blocks themselves, never heard about badblocks interfacing with that though12:37
enycrexy_: badblocks is a way to cause it to happen12:37
rexy_ah like that12:37
enycrexy_: the act of reading and then writing every sector....12:37
enycrexy_: also shows you if there are any 'lasting' problems afterwards12:38
rexy_but most likely if you see bad blocks appear that means the disk already allocated all bad blocks that it could12:38
enycrexy_: well... if you dont read the disk often enough12:38
enycrexy_: a sector can "grow" too too bad-a-defect12:38
Lynourefinalbeta: I haven't yet even figured out how to enable them in kubuntu...12:39
enycrexy_: i.e. too-bad -- it cant read it via ECC at all12:39
rexy_isee. is there a way to trigger the badblock detection on the disk via badblocks without actually writing?12:40
tichwhat do folks use for rss feeds?12:40
enycrexy_: well... you can firstly do a "badblocks -vs" without "w" which is readonly12:40
Lynouretich: akregator12:40
enycrexy_: but drives may not swap-out until you actually write to sectors, apparently12:40
finalbetaLynoure: oh, I can't enable it on this PC. the ati card doesn't support it. I would just like to open the dialog once without it stalling or crashing. The real bugs only start if you can actually start it. Why they enable this is beyond me. Makes me lose faith.12:40
rexy_i used liferea for awhle but it's very slow12:40
tichLynoure, do you use kubuntu?12:41
Lynouretich: yes.12:41
enycrexy_: so -- assuming no filesystems/swaps are mounted... you can use 'badblocks -nvs' or spinrite/similar  which temporaraially replaces the data in each sector then puts it back... but could be bad if the process 'crashes'12:41
Lynouretich: but you can install kde programs even if you use gnome...12:41
tichit works fine after today's updates i assume.12:41
rexy_enyc well should be alright as long as you're not running off a bad disk right12:41
rexy_but yeah it's risky and takes longer too12:42
enycrexy_: well any disk grows defects.. its normal12:42
tichyeah i know... but it always installs a bunch of stuff and never quite looks right.12:42
rexy_true i suppose12:42
enycrexy_: good raid controllers do read-passes at least, checking all the checksums12:42
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enycrexy_: they keep checksums of data its stored and compare and stuff12:42
enycrexy_: and probably rewrite sectors if suspect bother12:43
rexy_i'd assume so12:43
enycrexy_: and declare drives 'dead' if they are not able to sort themselves out12:43
rexy_bit overkill for the average computer heh12:44
enycrexy_: ;-)  but worth keeping backups still12:44
rexy_i keep backups of my backups :|12:45
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rexy_then again, whats good for long term storage12:45
rexy_cd's/dvd's tend to die rather quick12:45
Lynourerexy_: how long term?12:46
enycrexy_: grown defects are a reason that you can have weird problem  magically fixed by reinstall-OS12:46
rexy_say 3 year plus, but i'm still looking for something that will store for a decade12:46
Lynourerexy_: hard disks kept unplugged and in stable temperate work well... and magnetic tapes are not bad either.12:46
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enycrexy_: the 'reinstall' on new filesystem means that any 'new' data will have been written, and this causes drive to remap ?? something like that12:47
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rexy_enyc:  that makes sense yeah12:48
rexy_Lynoure: how accurate is that, did anyone try/test that?12:49
rexy_i'd expect for such long periods demagnitizing to some degree would occur?12:50
Lynourerexy_: You can google for the results, I don't remember names/references like that12:50
Zoiksif i just run badblocks /dev/sdc112:51
Zoikswhat would it do12:51
Zoiksjust check it12:51
rexy_well with the proper flags yes12:52
rexy_do you have important data on sdc?12:52
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Zoikswell thats whats running atm12:52
Zoiksand sdc is my backup drive12:52
Zoiksim guessing i just did the wrong thing12:52
rexy_no what enyc said makes perfect senes12:53
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rexy_can you still boot another os and access your backup partition?12:53
Zoiksi just typed badblocks /dev/sdc1 into console12:53
Zoikswell it was working before in windows12:53
jonathan_is there any news again? at ubuntu 7.10 beta?12:54
jonathan_anything new?12:54
rexy_you might want to make sure you have a backup of that backup on aother disk12:54
Zoiksbut it would be too late now if i have already started it?12:54
Zoiksor would it be safe to cancel the process and drop back into windows?12:55
rexy_i dont know what badblocks does in default mode12:55
joakim-i've got a problem that's so weird i barely know where to start... i had the same problem in feisty, on the live cd, in gutsy a few days after installing that and now on a completely clean installed gutsy as well.  the desktop background just disappears and nautilus cant be started unless i start it as root. when i go into gconf-editor and untick draw the background, and then tick it again, the background comes back. but i still cant double12:55
joakim-click. ive tried removing  .gnome/2 .nautilus and what not and then loggin in again when it briefly works but immediately comes back again. its starting to get a little annoying this! anyone know what this can be caused by?12:55
joakim-the last clean install i did, gutsy is not even touching an hdd that wasnt formatted poperly12:56
joakim-no extra changes made, just used the clean install12:56
joakim-im about to rip out everything in my computer, but it doesnt really make sense to me as its the same fault every single time12:57
Zoiksok... well im just going to leave it12:57
Zoiksill come back later and report12:57
Zoiksthanks for the help guys12:57
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joakim-theres one session of nautilus automatically starting at login, but i cant kill that process01:00
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joakim-i dont get any error msg what so ever, not even when starting nautilus again01:01
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rexy_it's used01:02
rexy_you want it01:03
rexy_i forgot why01:03
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_dan_since gutsy runs fine on laptop, time to upgrade desktop01:07
_dan_wish me luck01:07
enyc_dan_: hehehe ive been okap with upgrade, not with previous install disk01:07
enyc_dan_: so you will probably be fine ;-)  good luck ;-)01:07
_dan_only thing that bothers me is that my icon theme isnt working 100% on laptop01:08
joakim-no one has any ideas what it could be?01:08
enycjoakim-: thats weird01:11
enycjoakim-: are you getting kernel errors or similar?01:11
joakim-ive checked kern.log and as far as i can se, no01:12
enycjoakim-: i have a machine thats been upgraded from hoary5.04-breezy5.10-dapper6.06-edgy6.10-feisty7.04 .. still works01:12
joakim-dont really know what to look for01:12
enycjoakim-: lookn in "dmesg"01:12
joakim-but theres no red flashing errors :=01:12
enycjoakim-: i.e. run "dmesg"01:12
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joakim-yah thats the same as in system log and kern.log01:13
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joakim-hmm.. "[  127.275980]  kernel BUG at /build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/fs/ext3/namei.c:383!"01:13
joakim-found that now01:14
enycjoakim-: aah hrrm01:14
enycjoakim-: thats not good ;-)01:14
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enycjoakim-: that could cause weird process crashes ;-)01:14
joakim-i guess.. thing is nautilus dont crash tho01:15
enycjoakim-: are there other errors?  like... unable to read disk  readby01:15
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joakim-its just.. not working01:15
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joakim-and feisty was using 2.6.20 too, dunno if it was the same there..01:15
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enycjoakim-: do you have a fs over 2tb or other such possible unusual config snags?01:16
joakim-got two 250gb drives01:16
joakim-one external but ive made sure to plug that one out01:16
enyckk fine01:17
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joakim-[   52.423935]  Failure registering capabilities with primary security module.01:17
joakim-that one too..01:17
joakim-have no idea what it means tho :)01:17
enycjoakim-: maybe this is a problem with the apparmor ?01:17
enycjoakim-: maybe you should pastebin the dmesg?01:17
joakim-apparmor wasnt installed in feisty tho01:18
enycbut something about your system creates errors01:18
joakim-of course01:19
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enyci would be upgrading the bios/kernel/firmware, make sure memtest86+ and badblocks hdd works, and doing a "default install" and seeing if it still fails myself01:19
enycive had some really weird problems with hard-disk-access magically fixed by bios upgrade for example01:19
joakim-what i dont get is that it seems to be the exact same fault every single time01:20
joakim-at least the same symptom01:20
joakim-but then of course a computer can cough so to speak and his little toe hurts, not the throat, so..01:21
enycjoakim-: dont understand abotu toe/throat/cough01:21
joakim-ah nm01:21
joakim-works with customers who dont know shit about computers01:21
joakim-(on why a troubleshoot is needed)01:22
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joakim-i think im gonna update bios and run thorough diags on the hdd's though01:23
enycAssertion failure in dx_probe() at /build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/fs/ext3/namei.c:383:01:23
enycI would run memtest86+ for a while01:23
enycand then upgrade bios01:23
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enycand then i would boot knoppix or equivalent live and 'badblocks -wvs' and hard disk device you do not mind DESTROY ALL DATA on01:24
enycand then see if it all works01:24
enycthe invalid_opcode is really bad sign01:24
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savvasdo you know any program that improves the sound output? like srs wow for windows?01:27
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joakim-thanks for the help01:27
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dan___oki upgraded, problem is cryptsetup segfaults for me now01:36
afiefCompiz seems to be turned off on my system by default, how can i enable it?01:39
acusterHey all, is there a way to boot from the cd kernel but mounting the install partition?01:39
acusterah, maybe with the root parameter01:40
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sirrusHi, does anyone how things are in gutsy with rt2500, especially when it comes to using WPA? When I tried the gutsy beta ISO it didn't work.01:43
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dan___cryptsetup keeps failing after gutsy upgrade as normal user01:44
penguin42dan___: What error?01:44
dan___automount doenst work eitehr but i guess i need to reconf pam01:45
penguin42dan___: I only use it as root, and it's OK there01:45
penguin42reconf pam for automount? Why? Don't you just set up nsswitch.conf?01:46
dan___yeah works as root, but since i had it autmount with gdm login i am not sure weather its only useable as root anymore01:46
dan___i decrypt my data drive with same apssword i use for gdm, so gdm+pam makes it for me, anyway01:46
dan___where does pidgin save my userdata01:47
dan___its not in .pidgin as it should be01:47
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afiefdan___, .purple01:49
afiefdan___, pidgin itself saves no data, it's libpurple that does01:49
dan___oki, one prob solved, one to go01:51
penguin42dan___: Oh I see, that's a pretty neat pam trick01:52
dan___yeah but i overrote something01:52
savvasdan___ 's right, it should be .pidgin :P01:55
savvasor at least have it linked01:55
dan___why does my pc speaker beep when i del stuff01:55
dan___so lets google the pam thing01:56
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_dan_gutsy play some weird sound every few minutes01:59
_dan_allthough i disabled system sounds01:59
ratpoisonhello! gutsy amd64 user, encountering problems with oofice base, draw and impress e.g. http://pastebin.com/m3ea0321202:00
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szfmy last two boots have unsuccessfully loaded gnome-panel - anyone else see this recently?02:03
jxxxtmine did this also02:04
hype_seems ok for me now02:05
hype_did you update && upgrade?02:05
savvasszf: killall gnome-panel02:06
savvaspress alf-F202:07
szfyes, killall gnome-panel will resolve it, but is it a reportable bug?02:09
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szf...or did something in gconf get wacked?02:09
savvasprobably, no idea :) doesn't hurt to report hehe02:10
szfit does hurt but then i get another "status:unconfirmed" email - forever02:12
savvasratpoison: does the same here, it looks like it gets stuck on oqstart02:13
savvasszf: that doesn't mean it's not reviewed02:14
XeroFeisty>Gutsy update takes soooooooooooooo long.02:14
ratpoisonsavvas: are you referring to my open office problem? Has that bug been reported?02:14
savvasno one forces you to do it Xero :p02:14
Xerosavvas, I force me to do it.02:15
XeroCompared to Gutsy, Feisty sucks.02:15
savvasratpoison: yeah, but I don't know about bug reporting, I rarely use openoffice these days, I just noticed it :)02:15
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IdleOneXero: why is that?02:15
XeroGutsy has newer software and more up to date security.02:16
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IdleOneXero: ok makes sense02:16
XeroHooray simple answers!02:16
rexy_feisty has security backports too dont it?02:17
ubuntu_i installed ubuntu and now i cant run my comp im lucky enough to have the live cd02:17
XeroYes, but that's a hassle.02:17
rexy_off course gutsy has some extra  features i guess02:17
rexy_heu installing security updates is pretty much automated02:17
rexy_however things like apparmor are nice02:17
XeroBackports isn't.02:17
ubuntu_i installed ubuntu and now i cant run my comp im lucky enough to have the live cd02:17
IdleOneubuntu_: any errors?02:17
rexy_backports arent securety updates02:17
XeroYou have to enable another repo, which, although not hard, is a hassle.02:17
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IdleOneubuntu_: just doesnt boot? what . describe symptoms please02:18
ubuntu_execpt grub 15 and 1702:18
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Xeroubuntu_, did you burn the CD at a fast speed?02:18
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ubuntu_it trys to boot and gives me the errors grub 17 and 1502:18
_dan_soooo pam problem half solved, need to make it use gdm pass02:18
ubuntu_no i didnt02:19
_dan_how can i disable my annoying pc speaker?02:19
savvas_dan_: system > pref > sound02:19
Xeroubuntu_, what speed was it burnt at? I don't see why GRUB would complain of an error 15.02:19
IdleOne_dan_: get a pen and poke a tiny little hole in it :)02:19
ubuntu_it was 16x02:19
XeroIf I remember, that means it can't find /boot/menu.lst02:19
IdleOneubuntu_: burn at 4x02:19
ubuntu_i cant run the computer tho02:19
IdleOnenice and slow02:19
_dan_sacater its not enabled there, thats y i ask :/02:20
IdleOneyou can use livecd to download and burn02:20
XeroIdleOne, he can't start the box.02:20
IdleOnemaybe not02:20
XeroWell, he can't start Windows.02:20
ubuntu_yes i cant start the box both drives are now corrupt02:20
ubuntu_i just got a hd for ubuntu specific and installed and tryed to boot and blammo02:21
ubuntu_here i am02:21
XeroYour Windows may not be corrupt.02:21
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XeroTry using the Windows install cd's recovery console.02:21
Xerofixboot and fixmbr are useful here.02:22
ubuntu_how would i boot in tht i keeps giving me grub 15 and 1702:22
IdleOnewindows is not corupted just need to fixmbr02:22
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto02:22
ubuntu_but i have stufgf on it i really need02:22
Xeroubuntu_, it won't delete anything.02:22
XeroUse the install CD's recovery console02:22
ubuntu_formatting windows deletes everything dun it?02:22
savvasubuntu_: you won't format02:23
XeroIt is not formatting.02:23
ubuntu_this came preinstalled w/ windows and no cd's02:23
savvaswell.. um.. :)02:23
XeroThen go pirate one like a good Windows user.02:23
ubuntu_tht is why they call me helpless on gamespy arcade02:23
savvasthere's a torrent alternative02:23
ubuntu_is there a torrent client on ubuntu?02:23
savvasthere is one preinstalled though02:24
savvasapps > internet > bittorrent02:24
ubuntu_not on my live cd02:25
ratpoisonubuntu_: it's there, the link is just disabled02:25
ratpoisonif you go to e.g. torrentspy.com and download a torrent you\ll see it02:25
ubuntu_torrent spy has disabled downloads for the us users02:25
savvasubuntu_: try run: gnome-btdownload02:25
savvasubuntu_: isohunt02:26
ubuntu_i use torrentman.com02:26
ratpoisontorrentspy.com was just an example, you can go to any torrent site you like02:26
Xeroubuntu_, use the link ubotu gave you.02:26
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto02:26
ubuntu_ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ gnome-btdownload02:26
ubuntu_/usr/bin/gnome-btdownload:858: GtkDeprecationWarning: gtk.threads_init is deprecated, use gtk.gdk.threads_init instead gtk.threads_init()02:26
XeroThe second one.02:27
XeroLook at the first one, too.02:27
XeroIt sort of pertains to your situation.02:27
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VorboteBut... The bittorrent client included is outdated and in fact rejected by many trackers. The problem is that later versions use a non-free license. You are far better off using Deluge (or Transmission for that matter).02:27
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fulat2kasisak: yeo... managed to upgrade to GG b1.02:29
ubuntu_man this sux02:29
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fulat2khi folks, i'm using a wifi usb stick and was recognized as rausb1 in feisty.  however, upon upgrading to gg b1, i can't seem to get the device it's attached to even in /var/log/messages.  any ideas?02:30
fulat2kwhen i do a lsusb, i can see the device is identified.02:30
_dan_so pam prob solved, now how can i disable my pc speaker02:30
savvasubuntu_: you're using beta, not final, you should be aware of the risks, since ubuntu gutsy is still under "Testing" :)02:31
ratpoison_dan_: system> sound> prefs and search the tabs there02:31
_dan_its disabled there02:31
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Vorbote_dan_, create a file in /etc/modprobe.d that reads "blacklist speaker"02:31
Xeroubuntu_, try reinstalling GRUB.02:31
_dan_vorbote thx02:32
Xerofrom the live cd, type 'grub-install /dev/hda1' into a terminal.02:32
savvasVorbote: thanks for the transmission suggestion :)02:32
ubuntu_cuz i dun have a floppy dive ill just use hdb to grub boot02:32
_dan_vorbote blacklist-speaker02:32
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_dan_or blacklist-pcspkr02:32
XeroError 15, I think, wouldn't be changed by this, but it's worth a shot.02:32
_dan_cant i just add "pcspkr" into modprobe.d/blacklist02:33
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ubuntu_L0A|)1|\|G 0pen0ffice.0rg 2.202:34
Xero-What the F---02:34
ubuntu_why did it type tht?02:34
XeroI have never seen that in my life.02:35
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penguin42_dan_: If it's coming via X then xset b off02:35
ubuntu_evil possed computer02:35
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Xeropenguin42, thank you for nobeep command of doom.02:35
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_dan_now my last problem: when i mount a partition into /home/dan/data it appears as /home/dan/data on desktop plus nautilus instead of just data, so in nautilis adress bar i got [home] [dan] [home/dan/data]  etc02:35
Vorbote_dan_, read the other files in that directory. Plenty of examples. :-)02:35
_dan_how cna i tell gnome i wnat it as data not fullpath02:35
_dan_Vorbote did, btw already done ;)02:36
XeroOkay someone help ubuntu_. I'm confused.02:36
XeroI think we may have a MITM here.02:37
ubuntu_how do i change my name?02:37
Xero./nick yournewname02:37
Xerowithout the dot02:37
d34thkk thnx02:38
ratpoisonXero: try /say command02:38
d34thwait sumthins not right02:38
Xeroratpoison, that's more keystrokes than ./02:38
d34th|helplessnow thts right02:38
ratpoisonXero: not if you add "without the dot :p "02:38
savvas_dan_: why not mount it in /media/ or /mnt/ ?02:39
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_dan_i mount it in my homedir, wheer i want it02:39
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XeroI now have a trademarked symbol of my laziness.02:39
_dan_prob is, gnome thinks for some weird reason it has to report it with full path instead of relative path, like it should do02:39
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d34th|helplessthis irssi is kinda like mIRC02:40
XeroXChat rivals mIRC in power, but mIRC has the easiest scripting (and horrible syntax)02:41
savvasyeah, except in irssi you use the keyboard more than your mouse clicks :)02:41
_dan_mirc is way better than xchat IMHO, nothing can compare to it, at least when i last used mirc (4 years ago)02:41
d34th|helplessmy comp is dieing :(02:41
XeroTry installing GRUB again.02:42
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savvas_dan_: true, if the xchat people would put a pay&register button, it would be as great as mirc02:42
XeroIn a terminal, type 'grub-install /dev/hda1'02:43
d34th|helplessi wonder what would happed if i unpluged hdb out of its socket and made it a cd drive02:43
_dan_savvas hahaha02:43
XeroActually, remove the 102:43
d34th|helplessimma install it to hdb02:43
_dan_i get constant apport reports about cron crashing :O02:44
d34th|helplessbash: /grub-install: No such file or directory02:44
XeroYou typed an extra / at the beginning,02:44
d34th|helplessmkdir: cannot create directory `/boot/grub': Permission denied02:45
savvasnow try a sudo in front :)02:45
d34th|helplessCould not find device for /boot: Not found or not a block device.02:46
savvasare you sure you have /hdb ?02:46
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d34th|helplessyes i have 2 hdds02:47
d34th|helpless1 WDC and 1 samsung02:47
ubuntu_daveer in gutsy they're prob at /sdx02:47
d34th|helplessmy screen resolution is too small to install ubuntu also02:47
d34th|helplessi have fiesty fawn02:48
XeroThey're at /dev/sd*02:48
Xerotry /dev/sdb instead of /dev/hdb02:48
ubuntu_davebut for gutsy, not for feisty....02:48
d34th|helpless/dev/sdb does not have any corresponding BIOS drive.02:48
XeroNo, Feisty does it too.02:48
XeroThen do it to /dev/hda, I guess.02:49
savvasd34th|helpless: dir -1 /dev/ | grep -i "^\(s\|h\)d."02:49
ubuntu_daveweird, fesity never did for me, having said that, nor does gutsy ^_^02:49
Xerod4tz c0z u h4xx0rz0rz02:49
ubuntu_davenah from clean install02:50
savvasd34th|helpless: it will show you hard disk drives and their partitions02:50
d34th|helplessu wish i |-|4Xx0rz02:50
savvasd34th|helpless: you could use gparted to find out which is which :)02:50
d34th|helplessUnknown partition table signature02:51
XeroOH doody.02:51
XeroYou had a problem partitioning. That was all.02:51
XeroReinstall Ubuntu and all should be well.02:51
d34th|helplessi cant install drives are corrupt02:52
XeroAre you sure?02:52
d34th|helplessand my screen resolution wont go over 800x600 meaning i cant install02:52
XeroClick install.02:52
XeroSee what it does.02:52
d34th|helplessinstall button it below screen end02:52
XeroIt's the one on the far right02:53
XeroOoooo try the Alternate CD!!!02:53
XeroIt's fun!02:53
d34th|helplessyes tht is way below screen02:53
d34th|helplessalternate cd?02:53
d34th|helplesswhat tht02:53
XeroDownload it from the Ubuntu site. I don't know where it is, really.02:54
XeroIt's a text mode installer.02:54
XeroNo desktop until it's installed, though.02:54
XeroThat CD is meant for people with hdd/resolution/memory problems.02:54
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d34th|helplessi only have 1 cd drive an dif i remove live cd it will die on me(again)02:54
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savvasd34th|helpless: do you have any files that need to be backed up in ubuntu partitions, like your /home/ ?02:54
XeroPlug in an external USB burner.02:54
Xerosavvas, his drives are corrupt.02:55
d34th|helplessdun have 102:55
XeroHe doesn't even have a /home.02:55
hetaumahi is there any way to track changes mad on each daily cd ?02:55
savvassorry :)02:55
d34th|helplessshould i just get 6.0602:55
XeroSomeone please mail him a USB burner.02:55
d34th|helplessor what02:56
XeroNo, use 7.10.02:56
d34th|helplessi have 7.0402:56
XeroIt's newer and more secure, but stability is a bit bad.02:56
d34th|helplessright now02:56
_dan_can i remove evolution without make apt suggesting me to autoremove half the gnome desktop?02:56
Xero'rm /usr/bin/evolution && echo Hooray!'02:57
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_dan_well aehm not the russion way :P02:57
_dan_the clean way02:57
hetaumarussion way?02:59
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LynoureXero: what kind of security improvements are there?03:00
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XeroLynoure, AppArmor.03:00
d34th|helplessgreat now im getting yelled at by my mom because ubuntu corrupt my comp thnx alot03:00
Vorbote_dan_, not really but you can hide it. Edit the applications menu and untick the evolution icon. Remove the icon from the panel and choose a different mail client in System->Preferences->Preferred applications.03:01
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d34th|helplessnow im getting grounded03:01
Xerod34th|helpless, sorry.03:01
d34th|helplesstis alright03:01
savvasd34th|helpless: you installed feisty or gutsy?03:01
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XeroUsually someone with this kind of problem wouldve spammed HAIL MICROSOFT BILLY=GOD03:01
_dan_Vorbote thx but well its more a question of princip to me, i dont want unused stuff installed ;)03:01
savvasthen what are you doing in #ubuntu+1 ? :P03:02
Vorbote_dan_, you are a perfect candidate for Debian.03:02
d34th|helplesssite said to join this03:02
LynoureXero: ok, thanks.03:02
_dan_Vorbote i used debian for 3+years, still using it on some machines :P03:02
XeroI used it too, but Ubuntu is more up to date.03:02
hetaumawhere do I report bugs?03:03
bepe86debian is still great for servers03:03
VorboteGNOME 2.20 entered Sid this week....03:03
bepe86have a deban machine that has an uptime of 3+ years now03:03
_dan_Xero i used debian sid, so was pretty up to date03:03
_dan_but the debian release cycle is *horrible* and well, wrong channel for this discussion03:04
d34th|helplessgreat i g2g make 1k and buy a new comp03:04
hyljedebian release cycle is wrong channel for this discusson03:04
savvashetauma: you mean http://launchpad.net ?03:04
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rexy__dan_: recompile gnome with just the stuff you want, also www.linuxfromscratch.org might suit you03:05
bepe86well, I'm pleased with the gutsy-beta so far. No major changes from feisty, but I like he integration with tracker, and stability has been a non-issue so far03:05
rexy_see you again in 6 months ;)03:05
hetaumasavvas, I guess so03:05
_dan_rexy_ :P03:05
bepe86arch could suit you as well03:05
XeroI tried LFS and phailed03:05
rexy_honestly this bare minimum stuff is nice and all, but as long as it's not in my memory i cba if it's on my disk03:05
taggieanybody know if hda-intel is going to get fixed for release? it's frustrating that feisty had fine support but i have no sound with a fresh gutsy install03:05
savvashetauma: that's where you file bugs, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug03:06
Webbmasterhow do i get kde4 on kubuntu gutsy?03:06
VorboteSix? more like 2. When the UD ends and the new development starts, it is when things get fun again.03:06
rexy_Xero: i never had much trouble even when they were at just 2.0 or something, sometimes stuff breaks, use exact version numbers, and dont go nuts on optimizations :D03:06
_dan_rexy_ well your right, still, if id could i removed it, but i cant03:06
XeroNuts and optimizations is optimized nuts.03:06
VorboteWebbmaster, there are parts in the official repos and others are in the kde.org repos (find all about it in kubuntu.org)03:07
Vorbote_dan_, you can hack the metapackages....03:07
rexy__dan_: pruning ubuntu for unused packages seems a waste of effort, unless you're really tight for diskspace and it doesnt pose a security risk, whats the harm in leaving it. minimizing takes so much time, trial and error, just not worth it ussually03:07
hetaumabut should I report thins like.... run firefox and try to install adobe flash from the pop up window, while having synaptic running. I get error message that synaptic is running and then firefox says that adobe flash succesfully installed when it didn't do anything03:08
rexy_besides whats minimal, a lot of packages you do need,install loads of crap you dont need, heh03:08
_dan_rexy_ well of corse you are right, its just personal preference to not have it lying around03:08
Vorbotehetauma, that's perfectly normal. The dpkg/apt database directories are locked because they can't be used by more than one instance of the program (in any of its incarnations).03:09
VorboteThat is, they can be read but not written.03:10
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hetaumaVorbote, yes I know but because of that flash wasn't downloaded/installed but firefox "said" succesfully installed03:10
rexy__dan you can always profile your system , and use that to prune, but it'll probably break stuff horribly too03:10
VorboteAhh, that's another kettle of fish.03:10
_dan_rexy_ hm nope would just be great if gnome meta package would be like evolution || thunderbird || other email prog03:11
Vorbotehetauma, that certainly sounds like a bug to me. (Weird it didn't happen to me).03:12
ubuntu_dave(I'd love to see Evolution gone tbh ^_^)03:12
hetaumaVorbote, u didn't run synaptic while firefox was trying to download flash ?03:13
savvasubuntu_dave: we all do, but ubuntu provides a complete desktop solution to the average user03:13
VorboteIn fact yes.03:13
VorboteBut that was like a couple of weeks back. There was a firefox update in the meantime if memory serves.03:14
ubuntu_davesavvas: ah i really have no idea how popular Evo is.. was just saying I personally don't use it and therefore would appreciate an easy way for it not to exist on my system :) but yeah I understand the 'complete desktop solution' principle03:14
_dan_gnome should adopt thunderbird, like firefox in their desktop-env IMHO03:15
ubuntu_daveI agree03:15
_dan_but yet again, this is the wtng channel for this discussion03:15
VorboteOr balsa.03:15
_dan_want i dislike btw, gftp is built without ssl support03:16
_dan_so is the mail-notification plugin IMHO03:16
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rexy__dan_: yeah but evolution is very tightly coupled with gnome in ubuntu i think03:17
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_dan_rexy_ well on my laptop i got it uninstalled, gnome works fine (dont ask how i did it, i dont know)03:17
rexy_i tried but it broke stuff, and by default it runs a process that is rather small so i doesnt bother me much03:18
_dan_mail-notification <-  SSL/TLS support (disabled, see README.Debian) this renders the plugin useless for a big deal of users03:18
_dan_the process i got disabled in session03:18
rexy_that's where it's started03:18
rexy_along with other great stuff such as the indexing service :)03:18
hetaumait's already reported :D03:18
hetaumaI love beta testers :D03:19
_dan_rexy yeah i dont know what visual does either03:19
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_dan_and why does bluetooth manager get startet, i dont even have bluetooth03:19
jussi01Hmm, has anyone had their screen resolution being set bigger than the screen'?03:19
_dan_and what the heck us user folder updater   not even a description there03:19
penguin42jussi01: No, but I had it set smaller03:20
ubuntu_davejussi01: yes it;s a common problem03:20
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jussi01ubuntu_dave: is there a fix/workaround?03:21
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ubuntu_davejussi01: the gutsy area of the forums has lots of into on how to fix it03:21
jussi01ubuntu_dave: ahh, thanks03:21
ubuntu_davejussi01: iirc the best way is simple to edit your xorg.conf and ensure the right max resolution is set03:21
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CaBlGuYso, if I've got the "latest" live CD of gutsy, is it stable enough to install?03:21
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ubuntu_daveCaBlGuY: is it stable enough to run for you kinda answers that03:22
ubuntu_daveCaBlGuY: bare in mind the usual disclaimers about beta software03:22
nikolamCaBlGuY: Only for testing..03:22
CaBlGuYyea.. I know about betas..03:22
sobersabrehi. I have run x86 version of gutsy on my amd64 machine with 3GB of memory and nVidia Geforce 7300 GS card.03:22
sobersabreI think because of the restricted driver the machine gets stuck with X.03:22
sobersabrehow can I debug and realize what really makes the machine stuck ?03:23
jussi01ubuntu_dave: I have. the problem is when I set it to 1680x1050 (my screens correct res) it only shows part of the screen03:23
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CaBlGuYonce it's "officialy" released, I'll be able to do an apt-get update and get all the pathes correct?03:24
ubuntu_davejussi01: make sure you have the right horizontal and vertical refresh rates set in your xorg then03:24
rexy_sobersabre: dmesg, the X log03:24
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sobersabreok rexy_ thanks.03:31
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therethinker2Can someone help me with a dpkg problem?03:33
therethinker2dpkg-query: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/updates/0004' near line 1: newline in field name `#padding'03:34
therethinker2I checked out /var/lib/dpkg/updates/0004, its just "#padding" on every line03:34
therethinker2512 lines, to be exact03:35
penguin42my updates directory is empty03:35
macogwim upgrading feisty to gutsy and it just said it couldnt install python-apt03:36
XeroFeisty>Gutsy updates take forEVER03:36
IdleOnecan someone tell me where this would be added? http://xchat.org/files/source/2.8/patches/xc284-improvescrollback.diff03:36
penguin42macogw: How are you updating and what exactly was the error?03:36
macogwgksu "update-manager -d"03:36
macogwCould not install 'python-apt'03:36
macogwThe upgrade will continue but the 'python-apt' package may be in a not working state. Please consider submitting a bugreport about it.03:36
macogwdependency problems - leaving unconfigured03:37
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therethinker2I emptied my 0004 file, and it seems to be working...03:37
macogwthats the 4th package to say that, but that one's worrisome03:37
penguin42macogw: Hmm that's odd03:37
penguin42macogw: Was your feisty upto date before you started the upgrade03:37
penguin42If it's only a handful then after the upgrade has finished I would explicitly tell it to install each of the failed package and see if you can get a more meaningful error03:38
macogwi guess just as long as dpkg doesnt do that im ok03:38
macogwlaunchpad-integration just said it as well03:39
macogwit said that one before though03:39
macogwand synaptic03:39
macogwwell and all the launchpad-integration libraries03:39
macogwand update-manager-core03:39
penguin42not good - you have plenty of disc space on / ?03:39
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penguin42Brucevdk: There should be a Xorg0.log.old03:40
macogwit says 71% in use and its a 10G partition, so i have 3G03:40
Brucevdkpenguin42: ah yes, there is03:41
Brucevdkpenguin42: does a warning such as this "(WW) I810(0): Extended BIOS function 0x5f05 failed." indicate anything?03:41
macogwgiven that ive installed ubuntu on a computer with a 5G hard drive and give / only 2G, i dont think my partition's too small03:41
penguin42Brucevdk: Well I haven't got it - I don't know what that one actually means03:42
penguin42macogw: No, as long as there is some free you are OK03:42
penguin42and where did you find a 5G drive?03:42
Xeropenguin42, I have a 2G drive.03:42
XeroActually, I have a 500M drive somewhere in my closet.03:43
penguin42Brucevdk: But it is a WW so it is a warning not an error03:43
macogwmy pentium 2 came with one03:43
macogwi have a 2G drive at home too03:43
penguin42Xero: Yeh I've got a 20M drive over there----> but I don't use it.....03:43
XeroMy 386 came with 500MB HDD03:43
Brucevdkpenguin42: there doesn't seem to be anything in that log either indicating why or what made it crash03:43
penguin42Brucevdk: What's the last thing in the file?03:43
Brucevdkpenguin42: (WW) I810(0): Successfully set original devices (2)03:43
penguin42Brucevdk: Doesn't look too bad does it03:44
penguin42actually my firewall has a 3G drive in03:44
Brucevdkpenguin42:  this is after closing a fullscreen wine application and only happens with the "new" intel drivers (not the i810 one), basically it tries to do something with switching resolutions and seems to take the xserver down with it03:44
macogwthe pentium 2 runs debian now though.  gnome's too heavy, so its got: text-mode debian etch + X + e17 + iceweasel + OOo03:44
Brucevdkeven from a blackbox user perspective the new intel drivers seem to handle switching resolutions quite differently, because the screen actually blanks (which wasn't the case with the i810 ones)03:45
penguin42macogw: OOo on a p2 - ouch :-)03:45
XeroMousepad would be better on a P203:45
Xeroand the Gimp03:45
macogwthe reason that box exists is for my siblings to type term papers03:46
macogwit *was* XP03:46
macogwthis is much faster than XP...like a 2 or 3 year old box03:46
macogwhm thats interesting03:46
penguin42cat in the house?03:47
macogwit just said the upgrade is aborting because so much stuff failed, but i see lots of "setting up $package" still scrolling by and it doesnt look aborted03:47
Xero26 packages left to update and my laptop will be Gutsy.03:47
XeroSo I spammed in joy.03:47
penguin42macogw: It might be worth trying at the command line03:47
penguin42Brucevdk: Ah - I've got problems with the new drivers as well not being fully stable; I think they are getting better but not there yet03:48
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Brucevdkpenguin42: yeah, they are noticeably getting better, when I checked them out a few months ago they crashed my system on startup (that doesn't happen anymore \o/)03:48
Brucevdkpenguin42: can't wait untill they're stable, because the i810 drivers when outputting to two monitors at the same time will get all fuzzy on you (which is already resolved in the new drivers)03:49
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macogwi love when gnome-screensaver ignores the fact that you might want to use your system again after it comes on03:49
Xero:O depmod time!03:50
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XeroGutsy shall boot in about 5 minutes.03:50
penguin42Brucevdk: Weird; I've not tried dual heading yet03:50
XeroDepmod depmod depmod!!!03:50
XeroOh poop. fuse is an invalid binary.03:51
vonhalenbachTotem is not attached to the media format speex  .spx03:52
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vonhalenbachOn the live cd03:52
macogwok the text in the "details" part finally caught up to the "it will abort now" that popped up 10 minutes ago03:53
macogwooo new sudo? nice03:53
macogwit says [password of $user]  so people dont go "but i didnt set a root password" or "what password does it want?"03:54
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XeroMine already had that.03:56
macogwfound the problem03:56
vonhalenbachWhen i shutdown the live cd, it really shuts down and switches the computer off. But the screen looks terrible when shutting down. I had 1027x768x16 chosen at the start.03:56
macogwlaunchpad-integration keeps liblaunchpad-integration0 from installing and that keeps practically everything else from installing03:56
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macogwoh, mine didnt03:57
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vonhalenbachalmost all is translated to german.03:57
vonhalenbachjust a few buttons and an error message is missing.03:58
vonhalenbachcan i lend a hand? I am a translator.03:58
macogwthe error was on launchpad-integration and said the package is in a very bad and inconsistent state and should be reinstalled.  instead of taking its own advice and downloading a new one and installing that, it tried to keep going and install things which depend upon the one it didn't install.  i think that should be considered a bug03:58
macogwvonhalenbach: sure go ahead03:58
macogwthere's translation in launchpad so just add your phrases to it03:59
vonhalenbach How can i shutdown cleanly the live cd? There is no button.03:59
macogwi always use reboot from the live cd cuz i want to go back to my stuff04:00
BlueParrothmmm, some times it is kinda hard to tell if a broken webpage is the fault of the browser or the webpage , is it safe to assume that 90% of the time it is the webpage ?04:00
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vonhalenbachmacogw: How do you issue the command reboot?04:00
penguin42macogw: if launchpad-integration is broken then try an apt-get remove launchpad-integration and then try again?04:00
penguin42BlueParrot: Try another web browser04:01
XeroBlueParrot, if you use IE on Windows, it's the browser's fault. Period.04:01
XeroOtherwise, it's the page.04:01
BlueParrot: )04:01
macogwwhat is with acpi? my laptop lights say its on AC power.  the gnome panel shows a power plug for AC power.  hovering on the power plug icon on the panel says "the computer is running on battery power"04:01
macogwpenguin42: i just did aptitude install launchpad-integration and now tons of other things are installing, so i guess its going through /var/cache/apt/archives and seeing what's not configured and doing those04:01
BlueParrotXero: I don't think I have used windows on my own machine since I found out there was GUIs for Linux machines :P04:02
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BlueParrotXero: of course, that was about 4 years ago so ... :P04:02
macogwthat was only a year ago for me04:02
macogwi used DSL to find out you can use a mouse in linux04:02
macogwand when i saw mandriva in a book i went "woah they have real guis" but one of my friends said to avoid mandriva and use ubuntu04:03
BlueParrotthing I like with it is that 4 years after starting to use it I'm doing things which causes "normal people" to think I'm some dangerous hacker ...04:03
penguin42Hey we've had GUIs for well over 10 years!04:03
vonhalenbachI have found an issue with unmounting my harddrive from the desktop.04:04
macogwBlueParrot: 2 of my friends were kicked out of linux-computer-having libraries because they were "hacking" ie "using the command line"04:04
BlueParrotpersonally I think ssh had a much greater "WOW" factor than Aero :P04:04
vonhalenbachI mounted with the button. /dev/sda1 on media/disk04:04
macogwalsamixer is apparently impressive04:04
macogwi think fluxbox contribute04:05
macogwfluxbox always makes you look 1337er04:05
BlueParrotmacogw: they should clearly have installed beryl and enabled the water effect ...04:05
BlueParrotwould have been fun to hear that customer support conversation04:06
vonhalenbachthen i played some songs of my music collection from the harddisk. then i tried to unmount it.04:06
macogwin an internet cafe: "what are you doing?" "raising the volume" "oh.  wait, but...what are you using?" "linux" "oh.  ive never seen a girl use linux"04:06
vonhalenbacherror message, because i had the files still opened with totem.04:06
macogwwell yeah you were still accessing the disk04:06
macogwyou cant unmount while the disk's in use04:06
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vonhalenbachthen i closed totem, but i still cant unmount, because now was the button switched. I could just press on mount. :(04:07
macogwtime to reboot into a hopefully working gutsy04:07
BlueParrotmacogw: well most Linux users only ever interact with text based information so gender is obviously irrelevant :P04:07
macogwwhy is the logoff button now a running dude?04:07
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qivhi ... are there any instability issus known for gimp?04:07
qivon my machine it crashes all the time :/04:08
macogwqiv: if you use the "small" theme04:08
hetaumahow can I see which language I am using on systemtray?04:08
BlueParrotmacogw: it is more user friendly, clearly *shrug*04:08
qivmacogw, so i just have to change the theme and it works again? :D04:08
macogwhetauma: you cant tell based on what language everything's in?04:08
macogwqiv: yes04:08
qivloving it ;) thanks a lot ^^04:08
macogwqiv: that themeis broken04:08
BlueParrothetauma: do you mean the keyboard layout ?04:08
hetaumaBlueParrot, yes04:09
BlueParrothetauma: are you using Gnome or KDE ?04:09
macogwoh add to panel  > the one with a flag04:09
hetaumaI need the indicator04:09
BlueParrotright click on the panel and add the little applet04:09
hetaumathanx alot :D04:09
macogwkeyboard indicator is in the "utilities" section04:09
macogwanyway time to reboot04:10
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vonhalenbachDoes someone here use xfce as desktop enviroment?04:12
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BlueParrotvonhalenbach: *waves*04:13
vonhalenbachAh. How do you shutdown ?04:13
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XeroMy moms computer can't find Windows system files any more!04:13
BlueParrotisn't there a button in the menu ?04:13
XeroShes gonna be soooo pissed!!!04:13
XeroThe bootloader cant find C:/windows/system32/hal.dll04:14
BlueParrotvonhalenbach: it shoudl either be a button in the menu or on the panel04:14
vonhalenbachno, i cant find any button. I had used sudo shutdown -h now from a terminal.04:14
penguin42Xero: Did you change the partitioning?04:14
vonhalenbachBlueParrot: On the live cd too?04:14
Xeropenguin42, no.04:14
XeroI used Wubi.04:14
hyljeXero: it's not a ubuntu problem anymore04:14
hyljeXero: to fix it, you need to repair windows04:14
BlueParrotvonhalenbach: hmm, I dunno, I have not changed my home directory since ages ago so my layout is probablydifferent from yours04:15
vonhalenbachBlueParrot: Not even when i do a middle click or a right click.04:15
vonhalenbachCtrl+ Alt and Del doesn't  work either.04:16
BlueParrotvonhalenbach: you can always add a button by right clicking the panel and chosing "add new item"04:16
savvasgimp: Depends: gimp-data (>= 2.4.0~rc3) but 2.4.0~rc2-1ubuntu1 is to be installed04:16
XeroI just told her and now shes mad.04:16
XeroOh well.04:16
penguin42hmm Wubi looks quite cute - if it didn't nuke your machine that is04:16
BlueParrotvonhalenbach: personally I tend to just kill the X session and then shut down from gdm04:16
vonhalenbachI did not found a "add new item".04:16
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BlueParrotvonhalenbach: ehe? when you rightclik the panel you get a context menu , no ?04:17
mon^rchshe should use Linux anyway ;)04:17
penguin42Xero: See, she should get you your own computer - much safer04:17
vonhalenbachA shutdown button is needed for noobs, to cleanly unmount (forced) mounted volumes.04:17
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Xeropenguin42, I have my own.04:18
BlueParrotvonhalenbach: there should be one by default, I don't know why you don't have one04:18
XeroI wanted her to try Linux.04:18
savvasXero: you reinstall windows, but we're definitely out of topic04:18
vonhalenbachBlueParrot: Please test the last xubuntu desktop live cd.04:18
BlueParrotvonhalenbach: I'm out of CDs actually04:18
BlueParrotvonhalenbach: but anyway, when you rightclick the panel don't you get a menu ?04:19
vonhalenbachcd rw? no?04:19
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penguin42Xero: If you have the windows CDs you could try a repair; or perhaps go see if you can find any WUBI guys to see if they know how they broke it04:19
vonhalenbachmiddle button click.04:19
BlueParrotna, I forgot them back home when I moved out04:19
Xeropenguin42, I'm trying a repair.04:19
BlueParrotvonhalenbach: not middle, right-click on the panel04:19
Xerofixmbr, fixboot, chkdsk04:19
vonhalenbachWhen i right click i can choose which window. window 1 to window404:20
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vonhalenbachand the opened applications are there.04:20
BlueParrotvonhalenbach: where are you right-clicking ? It doesn't sound like the panel04:20
vonhalenbachon the desktop screen (background image) I haven't seen any panel.04:21
BlueParrotthe taskbar ...04:21
BlueParrotyou shoudl have two panels04:21
BlueParrotone at the top and one at the bottom04:21
vonhalenbachDo you talk about gnome?04:21
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vonhalenbachThere is none.04:22
BlueParrotvonhalenbach: oh, that is not right ...04:22
vonhalenbachI had xfce running for the first time.04:22
BlueParrotvonhalenbach: try running "xfc4-panel" in a terminal04:22
vonhalenbachMaybe i should search more.04:22
Xerojoin ##windows04:22
XeroNo slash.04:23
BlueParrotvonhalenbach: it sounds as if the panel has not started04:23
vonhalenbachok, i will try this the next time.04:23
BlueParrotvonhalenbach: it sounds as if you have something broken in your configuration files04:23
vonhalenbachNow i am in my normal kubuntu feisty.04:23
BlueParrotwell, something has hosed your config04:23
vonhalenbachThen the live cd is broken.04:23
BlueParrotquite possible04:24
vonhalenbachI should maybe choose another resolution. Like 800x600 the next time.04:24
vonhalenbachI had used 1024x768x1604:24
BlueParrotvonhalenbach: it should look something like this: http://www.xubuntu.org/files/edgy1.jpeg04:25
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BlueParrotvonhalenbach: naaa, it sounds more as if something is broken04:25
BlueParrotvonhalenbach: like the panel didn't start or something04:25
BlueParrotthat is an edgy screenshot btw04:25
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BlueParrotdunno if there is a successful gutsy one somewhere04:25
vonhalenbachor maybe they were just out of my screen.04:25
BlueParrotshouldn't be04:26
vonhalenbachThose panels were not there.04:26
vonhalenbachOk, i will try again. thanks for your feedback.04:26
BlueParrotyea, ok, something is broken then04:26
BlueParrotunless they actually changed it, but I doubt that04:26
vonhalenbachNow, i know what to test.04:27
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vonhalenbachAre here developers with svn access to the xubuntu sources? Or just users?04:27
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BlueParrotvonhalenbach: I'm just a user, I'm not sure the developers will reveal their identities out of fear of retribution :P04:32
vonhalenbachNo problem. was just curious.04:32
Zoikshow long does a badblocks take?04:33
Zoiksits 3 hours and counting so far04:33
penguin42Zoiks: How big is your drive?04:34
_dan_get yaself a pizza, watch a nice movie04:34
_dan_go out have some drinks04:34
_dan_it takes *long*04:34
Zoiksi think its a 40004:35
Zoiksor 50004:35
Zoiksjust a question04:35
Zoiksits not overwriting anything is it?04:35
hetaumathe device information on my laptops battery says capacity 16%! is there any way to fix it? other than buying a new battery?04:36
hetaumaany battery tricks?04:36
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Zoikshetauma: the old 24h in the freezer trick?04:37
hetaumaisn't this just a legend?04:38
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Zoiksbut if the battery is that bad would it hurt to try?04:39
penguin42hetauma: I thought fully discharging was supposed to help04:39
penguin42Zoiks: A straight read through of a 400G drive at 40MB/s would take 2.8 hours if it managed to keep that speed up solid and didn't need to do anything else04:40
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kevinOhow do i play .3g2 files from quicktime?04:41
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kevinOsorry if the question seems unrelated but i dont want to ask in the ubuntu channel as the information may be outdated04:42
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macogwyay the upgrade worked04:44
macogwcompiz fusion confuses the hell out of me04:44
kRushwhat's so confusing about it?04:45
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attunixI installed ubuntustudio-desktop and I decided I didn't like it so I removed it. Now the boot/load screen is still there. How can I get my old Ubuntu load screen back?04:47
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aguitelis Yast in gutsy ?04:48
_dan_god thx no04:49
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about yast - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:49
Tomcat_kevinO: Try realplayer helix... *might* work.04:50
timingHey, when i have compiz enabled with fancy workspace switching, going to workspace 1 (with ALT+F1) makes the applications menu pop-up. Is this a known problem? should i go to the compiz channel?04:50
kevinOok vlc player works04:50
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eeyore_The strangest thing happened just now. My clock used to have the following order: Month day, date, time04:51
eeyore_now time comes first04:51
eeyore_then the rest04:51
kRushtiming, I don't think it's a problem at all, check your hotkey bindings04:53
timingyeah that's just alt+f1 to workspace 104:53
timingI don't know if there is another hotkey settings thing?04:53
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timingI just use the gnome one04:53
timingand mod4+f1 doesn't switch the window to that workspace as well04:54
timingdoes compiz have his own shortcuts?04:54
kRushaltf1 is set to show panel menu in my gnome keyboard shortcuts you might want to unbind that and it should work04:55
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macogwanyone else unable to switch desktops with C-F on gutsy?04:55
timingkRush: it's bound to go to workspace 104:55
timingand that works04:55
timingi go to workspace 104:55
timingand then the application menu pops up04:55
kRushtiming, yeah so it has double bindings. I don't know where you set your keys for the compiz stuff04:57
timingyeah i don't know either :-)04:57
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timingwhen i disable compiz it works okay04:57
timingmaybe somewhere in gconf04:57
kRushargh no04:58
kRushI know where to set compiz keybindings, I don't know where *you* set your altf1 binding04:58
wersI do not know if this is a gutsy issue, but everytime I run Pidgin, even if I chose not to "Use status message from last exit at startup," pidgin still uses my last status message at startup04:59
wersany ideas?04:59
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RyoHi, I don't know if you realize, but in the last update, every single thing in the start menu is now removed.05:01
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RyoI had to make a launcher just because I can't even get to this app, or the terminal, from the menu.05:01
timingkRush: i set mine with system preferences keyboard shortcuts05:02
_dan_ryo alt+f2 in case of emergency05:02
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RyoThat's handy to know.05:02
macogwRyo: howd you get a start menu?05:03
Ryomacogw:  The one called "applications".05:03
kRushtiming, ok so there is the same binding still in compiz. do you have ccsm installed?05:03
macogwwouldnt that be the applications menu then05:03
timingkRush: nope :-) so i guess i need that05:04
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timingapt-getting it in a few05:04
Ryomacogw:  Yeah, it would.  But it's still exactly the same in concept.05:04
mnkhello all - i am trying to upgrade to gutsy but keep getting the same error05:04
kRushtiming, you can do it with gconf-editor too but ccsm is easier if you want to change more stuff05:04
Ryomnk:  what's the error?05:04
mnkgetting upgrade pre-requists failed05:04
timingkRush: k thanks!05:04
mnk2007-09-30 17:42:17,776 ERROR pre-requists item 'http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ub05:05
mnk86.udeb' is NOT trusted05:05
mnkthat's in the main/log05:05
kRushtiming, /apps/compiz/general/allscreens/options/main_menu_key is the one05:05
mnkany idea what that means? and what i have to do to fix that pls?05:06
timingkRush: it's on disabled05:06
kRushtiming, now that is weird05:07
timingyeah :-)05:07
timingwhat is this gnome-compiz-preferences thing btw?05:08
timingbut what is gnome-compiz-preferences05:09
RyoI kind of want my apps menu back :/05:09
timingit's very old i think05:09
macogwthats from old compi05:11
timingmaybe that's fucking things up here05:13
timinghow do i remove the old ones completely?05:13
timingthe package upgrade didn't do that yet05:14
rothchildI have a problem with compiz not showing popup windows they are blacked out, does anyone else have this problem, I can't see any reported bugs05:14
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kRushtiming, you could do a search on <Alt>F1 in gconf (check key values) and see if anything else pops up. If that doesn't do it I'm out of ideas05:17
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timingkRush: I know the problem05:24
timingi used the non-custom option in the appearance settings05:24
timingwhich uses alt+f1 as mnu binding05:24
timingnow i use the custom option, where the alt+f1 was disabled05:25
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kRushso it works now?05:26
macogwgutsy should include the fusion icon for compiz fusion05:27
macogwthere are only 2 ways to enable compiz fusion right now: command line and "desktop effects" but if you use "desktop effects" your ccsm settings are ignored05:27
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macogwand command line's not user friendly05:28
macogwwell...not new user friendly05:28
macogwits perfectly friendly to me05:28
kRushmacogw, my ccsm settings work05:28
macogwwhen i enabled it it did compiz --replace gconf ccp which meant that gconf's settings got loaded instead of ccp's05:29
macogwif i do it from the command line and specify ccp, it works right05:29
macogwand the panel applet is a lot more convenient than using the menus :P05:29
kRushand desktop effects menu entry is not there for me either05:29
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gmbFolks, has anyone else's Applications Gnome menu become suddenly, inexplicably empty after the latest batch of updates?05:30
XeroNup nup nup.05:31
gmbXero: Is that a yes or a no?05:31
macogwnot for me05:32
gmbIt's odd; this has happened on both my Gutsy machines.05:32
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macogwi just dist-upgraded though so idk how your box was yesterday...i just know current up-to-date has working menus05:32
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sparsecDoes anyone know whether the problem with rt2500 has been fixed?05:33
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mnkhello all - i am trying to upgrade to gutsy but keep getting the same error05:42
mnkgetting upgrade pre-requists failed05:42
mnk2007-09-30 17:42:17,776 ERROR pre-requists item 'http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ub05:42
mnkthat's in the main.log05:43
mnkany idea what that means? and what i have to do to fix that pls?05:43
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pixlanyone else got problems with xrandr after upgrading from feasty?05:46
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pixldoes it work at all in gutsy with nvidia drivers (tried several versions, same problem)05:47
pixlxrandr reports that extension is not supported on display 005:47
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sparsecpixl: Off-topic: Loads of problems with everything, that's why I switched back to feisty. :)05:50
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pixlis it possible to downgrade? :P05:51
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pixlcrap, should have made a copy of my root05:51
pixlor ill just have to wait for fixes to arrive.. :(05:52
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sparsecpixl: I did a clean install05:55
sparsecI wanted to better partition my 80GB harddisk now that I got rid of the Windows partition05:55
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duartehello. I have not been able to make my fat32 partition writable since I upgraded to 7.10. In the beginning my fstab looked like this: # /dev/sda3UUID=7B66-CCBD  /media/docs     vfat    defaults,utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       105:56
sparsecUnfortunately, the rt2500 module which I depend on for network connection didn't work in beta with WPA, so I had to switch05:56
duarteI changed the umask to umask=000 but it still does not make it writable05:57
duartecan anyone help me?05:57
rexy_umask is just used when creating permissions for a file05:58
rexy_try mounting it with rw?05:58
duartealso tried that05:58
duarteit still does not make it writable05:58
rexy_do you have the permissions as a user to write there?05:59
rexy_who owns the files in the partition?05:59
sparsecyep, did you try it with sudo?05:59
rexy_type ls in the mount point and post it on pastebin?05:59
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rexy_add output of mount too06:00
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xtknightweird why did xorg-driver-synaptics rename to xfree86-driver-synaptics?06:01
duarte sudo fdisk -l06:02
duarteDisk /dev/sda: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes06:02
duarte255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders06:02
duarteUnits = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes06:02
duarteDisk identifier: 0x0000875306:02
duarte   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System06:02
duarte/dev/sda1               1        6079    48829536    5  Extended06:02
duarte/dev/sda2   *        6080       10942    39060480    7  HPFS/NTFS06:02
duarte/dev/sda3           10943       19457    68396737+   b  W95 FAT3206:02
duarte/dev/sda5               1        4255    34178224+  83  Linux06:02
duarte/dev/sda6            4256        4498     1951866   82  Linux swap / Solaris06:02
duarte/dev/sda7            4499        6079    12699351   83  Linux06:02
rexy_Dude , pastebin06:02
xtknight!pastebin | duarte use this next time please so the channel isnt overloaded06:02
ubotwoduarte use this next time please so the channel isnt overloaded: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)06:02
XeroDoes this work for anyone else? http://xero-games.com/xspf06:02
rexy_also that is useless, post the ls and the output of mount06:03
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rexy_Xero: works fine06:03
rexy_just have totem with all plugins06:03
Xerorexy_, thanks.06:04
XeroNow I know its my problem, not my code's problem, or my theft of code's problem.06:04
rexy_awesome number06:05
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XeroThat player is now integrated into my index1.php, rexy_. Thanks for helping.06:09
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hav0ckHi all06:11
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hav0ckcan some one tell me how to install nUbuntu ? i have error installing grabu during system istallation06:12
XeronUbuntu is not an official Ubuntu.06:12
XeroLook somewhere else for support. Sorry.06:12
ubotwoSorry, I know nothing about that - try http://help.ubuntu.com/community/06:12
hav0ckohh can help me in the enother way ?06:12
XeroI'll try.06:13
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usserhello question if i install beta now when gutsy is released do i automatically get released version, i mean will update itself?06:17
Xerousser, yes.06:17
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usseralright thank you06:18
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kevinOwhat package do i need to build programs from source?06:18
penguin42kevin0: build-essentials06:18
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penguin42kevin0: Sorry - no 's' at the end06:19
effie_jayxI am unable to import my pics from my digital camera06:19
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kevinOoh ok06:19
penguin42effie_jayx: What type of camera is it, and how is it conencted to your computer06:19
effie_jayx it is a HP photosmart06:20
mendredhow does one automount a usb device that is already plugged in at boot?06:20
macogwmendred: put it in /etc/fstab06:21
xtknightmight need a debian udev rule if the device name changes?06:21
mendredmacogw: isn't there any rules for hald to mount an usb device06:21
effie_jayxpenguin42,  it has an sd 1 gig card06:22
mendredwhen it detects it06:22
effie_jayxI could do it perfectly in Feisty06:22
effie_jayxand I actually dualboot this same machine with dapper still06:22
effie_jayxand it works there06:22
penguin42sounds like a bug then06:22
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XeroWii time.06:24
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VousDeuxokay, so I just installed today's updates and rebooted. I logged in and launched XChat. I turned my head for a few minutes and when I looked back I was at the logon screen again.06:30
penguin42VousDeux: Anything else running?06:31
VousDeuxno applications, but there are a few applets running in the tray06:32
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penguin42hmm nothing hard then06:32
VousDeux...volume control, stringi, network manager, ksynaptics, klipper, clock06:32
penguin42VousDeux: Look at your /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old to see if it was an X server crash06:33
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VousDeuxit shows a signal 11, but I'm not sure what caused it06:34
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penguin42VousDeux: By the sounds of it you didn't have much running to cause it!06:35
jgmHi is the nvidia kernel module for 2.6.22-12-generic available yet?06:35
jgmI saw some updates in that area earlier but I still can't get X running on this kernel with the nvidia driver06:35
Vegarwhich card?06:38
VousDeuxaccording to syslog, it looks like the sig11 may be related to nvidia driver version mismatch06:39
LynoureIs there some way to move files in dolphin other than a opening up another window for the destination and dragging there? I especially liked the Move and Copy in Konqueror context menu06:40
HobbseeLynoure: you've discovered splitview?06:40
LynoureHobbsee: yes. Way less handy that being able to choose from last 3 places I moved to.06:41
LynoureHobbsee: that is, about a minute before you asked :)06:41
HobbseeLynoure: konq is still there.  i hate it for more than 2 places, too.06:41
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Shadow6363hmm, if i have a 64-bit cpu, is it yet recommended that i install the 64-bit version or should i stay with the 32-bit?06:45
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mnkhello all - i am trying to upgrade to gutsy but keep getting the same error06:48
mnkgetting upgrade pre-requists failed06:48
mnk2007-09-30 17:42:17,776 ERROR pre-requists item 'http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ub06:48
mnkthat's in the main.log06:48
mnkany idea what that means? and what i have to do to fix that pls?06:48
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mnkany help will be appreciated06:48
vonhalenbachmnk: Where is help appreciated?06:49
mnkie in helping me upgrade :)06:49
mnkgetting upgrade pre-requists failed06:49
mnkkeep getting that msg06:50
mnkwhen trying to upgrade06:50
mnkany help will be appreciated :)06:50
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vonhalenbachdo you have the zlib1 package installed?06:51
mnki aint spamming!06:52
mnkFirefox can't find the server at www.spam.spam.spam.spam.com.06:52
mnkvonhalenbach: no i don't06:52
delhagemnk: did you do a full upgrade of feisty first?06:52
mnkdelhage: yeah i did - i have feisty now06:53
mnkERROR pre-requists item 'http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ub06:53
mnk86.udeb' is NOT trusted06:53
mnkwhy is it not trusted?06:53
mnki don't get it06:53
Vegarprobably because it isn't signed06:53
mnkcos every time i upgrade my packages, it says they r not authorised or something like that06:54
mnkhow can i add the signature?06:54
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mnkhow Vegar?06:55
usserhm what happened to konqueror?06:55
usserwhat is dolphin?06:55
Vegarmnk: it might be using the wrong nvidia module06:55
Vegar(there are three, IIRC)06:55
Vegardon't ask me how to make it use the correct one06:56
vonhalenbachBlueParrot: I have tested more. The i386 xubuntu live cd is broken. Not starting the xfce4-panel06:56
mnkVegar nvidia?!06:56
delhagemnk: try rerunning "sudo aptitude update"06:56
Vegaroh, wait06:56
Vegarmnk: wrong channel06:56
Vegarmnk: how what?06:56
mnkVegar: how can i add the signature?06:56
Vegaryou can't06:56
Vegarthe point is that the one that creates the package signs it06:57
BlueParrotvonhalenbach: oh, what does it say if you run xfce4-panel in a terminal ?06:57
Vegarunless it's your package06:57
mnkbut when i update i usually get some package signature error06:57
vonhalenbachIt runs the panel if i start it manually in a terminal. It should start automaticly.06:57
delhagemnk: can usually be fixed by updating the cache06:58
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mnkdelhage: how would i do that?06:58
delhagemnk: like I said above, sudo aptitude update06:58
mnkoh ok06:58
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mnkyeah i'm doing that now delhage06:58
mnkthanks delhage06:58
penguin42Vegar: Unless the problem is not that the package isn't signed, but that you are missing the stuff to check it06:58
BlueParrotoh , lol, I forgot to change my sources.list since I moved from norway :P06:59
delhagemnk: and the try aptitude upgrade again06:59
mnkW: GPG error: http://dl.google.com stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY A040830F7FAC599106:59
mnkW: GPG error: http://download.tuxfamily.org edgy Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 2D6CFB44DD800CD9 Trevio (3v1n0) <trevi55@gmail.com>06:59
mnkW: GPG error: http://download.tuxfamily.org feisty Release: Unknown error executing gpgv06:59
mnkW: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems06:59
vonhalenbachI have tried different resolutions and tried original english language and tried the save graphical mode. No success.06:59
mnksorry about the paste06:59
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mnkdo u think that is the problem?07:00
mnkie is that why i can't upgrade to gutsy? cos of those errors/>#07:00
vonhalenbachBlueParrot: Can you fix it or give this a developer directly? Or should i file a bug against xubuntu beta?07:01
delhagemnk: that happens sometimes, try to run it again, until those messages dissapear (might be a temporary network problem)07:01
BlueParrotvonhalenbach: I'm just a user, like you , you probably want to file a bug report07:01
vonhalenbachyeah. I will.07:02
mnki have had those msgs for AGES - literally weeks and weeks delhage, even though i regularly  update07:02
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delhageof course it could be something more serious too07:02
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delhageI upgraded on thursday and it went very well07:03
BlueParrotoh I'm already on gutsy07:03
delhageno snags at all, a bit dissapointing ;)07:03
BlueParrotI'm just a bit cautious about upgrading from a working system when it is in beta :P07:03
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VousDeuxokay, I installed the current version of the nvidia driver...hopefully that fixed it.07:04
mnkso erm07:05
mnkany idea what i could do?07:05
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BluesKajlooking for the 'startup' filelike the editable one in feisty ...is there such an animal ?07:08
VousDeuxsince the synaptics driver doesn't seem to work, I wonder if perhaps ALPS would work. The vendor tells me that they believe the touch pad is Synaptics, but the manufacturer did not confirm. How would I go about trying out the ALPS driver?07:08
philipgosh the update download is so slow...probably from everyone upgrading to the beta :)07:09
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mnkso erm07:09
BluesKajyeah, took me almost 90mins yesterday to upgrade07:09
mnkany idea guys?07:09
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philipmnk, change "feisty" to "gutsy" if that doesn't work then remove those third party repos07:11
mnkwhat's that url for pastbin pls?07:11
mnkso i can paste u my sources.list07:11
mnkso u can tell me which ones to comment out?07:11
KanRiNiNAfter upgrading, I read the info about Gutsy not showing device info correctly.  Would this have anything to do with why my XFS and HFS partitions now longer mount on my server?  Thanks in advance.07:13
mnki have beryl installed - could that be the problem?07:13
philipmnk, change "feisty" etc to gutsy07:13
philipchange all of them07:14
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mnkin sources.list07:14
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Meroigo_mnk,  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org07:15
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ray_hi how i clear my repository download cash07:17
ray_so i can get my stuff fresh download and not cashed07:17
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ray_will look07:18
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savvashas anyone when will the gimp dependency be fixed?07:18
savvas*anyone heard07:18
scizzo-savvas: what dependency?07:18
ray_savvas do you know how to clear the repository cash in 7.10?07:19
ray_if so how do i want to get fresh install07:19
savvasThe following packages have unmet dependencies: gimp: Depends: gimp-data (>= 2.4.0~rc3) but 2.4.0~rc2-1ubuntu1 is to be installed07:19
ray_savvas see my q07:20
savvasyou mean clean and autoclean?07:20
Brucevdkray_:  I don't think clearing the repository cache will do much (at least not what I presume you want), it'll just delete previously downloaded packages but that's it (the command for that should be "sudo apt-get clean")07:20
scizzo-savvas: right so the gimp-data update is not up yet07:20
ray_brucevdk thats why i want to do07:20
ray_how do i07:20
Brucevdkray_: why would you want to?07:21
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savvasscizzo-: thank you for stating the obvious, has anyone heard if they updated the mirrors for it?07:21
ray_to get all fresdh install had one that broke will not let me reinstall it give me err07:21
scizzo-savvas: rc2 seems to be the latest on my se.ubuntu link07:21
scizzo-savvas: for both gimp-data and gimp07:22
ray_bruce is that it07:22
savvasray_: sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get install -f07:22
scizzo-savvas: you are using a US link or something?07:22
savvasscizzo-: UK :)07:22
scizzo-savvas: aaa...ok07:23
ray_ok ran them all bruce07:23
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ray_savas i mean07:23
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ray_still didnt remove the downjlaod07:24
savvas!ask | Crozar07:24
ubotuCrozar: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)07:24
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savvasray_: what are you trying to do exactly?07:25
ray_savvas ddint remove the downlod07:25
ray_savvas i trying to remove the repository download one im trying to install is givime me err07:25
scizzo-savvas: well then I guess I am back at square 1 when it came to your question... :P07:25
Crozarguys history is i used feisty then updated * with feisty i had compiz screenlets and some lib's of kde also * but now with update i couldnt enter my xorg.conf and things got weird im using laptop internet is not working maybe to do with lan driver? or i dunno but feisty was working fine however EDGE DIDNT WORK! well worked first time after install didnt .07:25
ray_so i need to remove them and reinstall it07:25
ray_but not untill i remove them tell me first07:25
ray_and redownlaod it07:26
savvasray_: what kind of error?07:26
ray_broken packege err07:26
ray_or bad download err07:26
ray_savvas how do i remove them so get good one07:26
savvasscizzo-: cheers, looks like we'll have to wait :)07:26
scizzo-Crozar: well compiz screenlets might be....um not working...07:27
scizzo-savvas: yeah07:27
ray_i see mno help:(07:27
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Crozarsavvas in conclusion edge had a problem with my laptop internet didnt work means i couldnt surf no we're i have my ip i see my lan people and i can login to my router but couldnt go online . with feisty i didnt have a problem but now with 7.10 gusty i have a problem like edge07:27
ray_savvas how do i remove them07:27
savvasray_: can you paste the error in http://pastebin.ca or somewhere?07:27
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scizzo-Crozar: just to be sure.....you know that gutsy still is beta?07:28
Crozarscizzo- compiz and screenlets i did install in feisty then updated my system to gusty but then compiz is still theyr i thought compiz is implemented inside gusty so should have i uninstalled it manually before i updated to gusty?07:28
ray_not asking for that tell me got bad download07:28
ray_and no to remove them07:28
scizzo-Crozar: compiz-fusion is yes...07:28
savvaslook man, I don't really understand what's the problem until I see the error07:29
jussi01hmmm, an xorg experts here?07:29
scizzo-jussi01: maybe ask the question and find out?07:29
savvasray_: you can edit your repository list with: gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list07:30
scizzo-Crozar: well first thing first....the internet access thing....07:30
ray_why i need this07:30
jussi01scizzo-, My screen is bigger than the monitor...07:30
scizzo-Crozar: what exactly can you see and not see?07:30
ray_savvas i asked how i get rid of repoitory downlaod tell me i need to do this first07:30
scizzo-jussi01: ok....tried changing the resolution?07:30
Crozarscizzo- ok its beta but lets keep that aside , ( ubuntu Edge version 6 ) didnt work07:30
savvasray_: what command do you do?07:30
frostburnjussi01, you need to remove the Virtual Monitor size in you xorg, and edit out the sizes that don't exist07:31
scizzo-Crozar: edge???07:31
ray_to remove the respoitory download07:31
kRushray_, man apt-get07:31
ray_tell me i need to remove them all befor i can install anything07:31
jussi01frostburn, ok, Ill give that a try07:31
Crozarscizzo- with edge internet wasnt working same problem as gusty07:31
Dr_willisWifes tryint to edit some wavs into ring tones under windows. Shes using AUdicty right now. anyone reccomend a more 'idiot friendly' tool? :) (yes i am NOT letting her read this message)07:31
savvasray_: what command did you do that broke the repository07:31
ray_all will not even let me install none untill i do this07:31
Crozarscizzo- i didnt uninstall compiz and my compiz acted weird the menu bar over each windows doesnt anymore lol i think my twaeking for fesity all has gone now :(07:32
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savvasDr_willis: yes, virtual machine software heh :)07:32
jussi01frostburn, I dont seem to have those in there...07:32
kRushCrozar, install the compiz meta package, it was missing here too07:32
savvasray_: I don't understand you, and sorry, have to go07:33
ray_savas chache07:33
frostburnjussi01, pastebin your xorg, and i'll take a look07:33
ray_spelled it worng07:33
Crozarsorry for the late replies because a  friend came to visit me and says u know the thing u talked about that software it sux i was :@ then she said my teacher says windows is like getting ur right hand to ur right ear but with linux is getting ur hand over the head then holding the left ear i was :@@@@@ good thing i said tell her whats better mac or windows if she said windows il sennd my regard faxed spank07:33
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)07:34
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jussi01frostburn, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39171/07:35
ricohey everyone.07:35
frostburnjussi01, what size is your monitor?07:35
ray_jussi01 i need to clean out the repositor cache how do i07:35
Crozarscizzo- ok so i try to format and install 7.10 full?07:35
ray_still hanging around07:35
ricomy busy cursor seems to have disappeared (using any theme). running gnome+compizfusion+emerald here. anyone got any clue to what could've happened?07:35
jussi01frostburn, 22" 1680x105007:35
scizzo-Crozar: actually.....all you have done so far is actually to confuse me07:36
ricowhenever there's supposed to be a busy cursor, i get no cursor at all07:36
scizzo-Crozar: I am not sure what the problem is exactly more then a bunch of text about different things going wrong from feisty -> gutsy upgrade07:36
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Crozarscizzo- ok this is it ( i have feisty with all the things i had tweaked for compiz and many other stuff like xorg ) ----> i updated to gusty ---> ( now internet is not working things got weird xorg is unaxesible )07:36
scizzo-Crozar: right ok.....is it a wireless connection?07:37
Crozarscizzo- with Edge 6.10 i think or was it 6.4? well that had a problem no internet aswell07:37
ray_any one here see my q07:37
Crozarscizzo- LAN laptop normal cat407:37
ray_seems like no one wiloing to help me07:37
Crozarscizzo- i can connect with my router with the people whos on my local but not online.07:37
scizzo-Crozar: ok.....and ifconfig and so on gives you ip?07:38
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Crozarray_ hang on me u might wait for version 8 of ubuntu lo07:38
Crozarscipio yes
ray_whats that07:38
scizzo-Crozar: ok and you can ping www.google.com?07:38
Crozaractually im on windows now i booted it coz my ubuntu is a disgrace atm07:38
scizzo-Crozar: if you get a timeout....then try to ping the  ip from that adress07:39
ray_crozar will use this but that use to hjhave a remove button in last one thay removed it and cant clean my cache now how do i07:39
jussi01frostburn, https://acc.acme.lt/item/87881 <--- thats the monitor07:39
Crozarcant ping them nothing works trust me i know enough of networking im angry i went with stuff like arping my router manually and still doesnt work07:39
Crozarscizzo- Live CD on gusty also doesnt work BUTTT ON EDGE LIVE CD WORKS =/07:39
Crozarthis is weird i dont want gusty to end up not working for my laptop LAN or somehting like that i might stick with feisty until verison 807:40
ray_crozar see my q to you07:40
Crozarray_ i might give up and let my laptop with feisty and use gusty for my pc :(07:40
scizzo-Crozar: nothing works.....I have never heard that one before07:40
frostburnjussi01, kk,  when you type $xrandr does it say 1680x1050 ?07:40
ray_ok crozar do you know how to remove them?07:40
Crozarscizzo- trust me if i come to ur house and show u ( this might be a dejavu bug that is important )07:41
scizzo-Crozar: can you then try to connect the machine directly to the internet without connecting it to the router and see if you can get a IP then ping07:41
scizzo-Crozar: I don't trust anyone07:41
Crozarscizzo- how can i connect directly07:41
jussi01frostburn, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39172/07:41
Crozarscizzo- ? gusty was nice because it detected my 56k MODEM !!! but my lan is theyr ip all is good roaming mod is ok everything good gatway also i know all those stuff but internet not workING~!07:42
jussi01frostburn, I have it set at 1440x900 right now07:42
frostburnjussi01, and that still makes it off the screen?07:42
jussi01frostburn, no07:42
scizzo-Crozar: your router is getting a IP from a DHCP?07:42
Crozarscizzo- just tell me i can do this go to feisty and take all the network config and dll's and put it with gusty>? if it works then wala a configuration problem if not then maybe registy problem or some kind of linux conflict with my hardware por something07:42
Crozarmy router detects me yes crozar
jussi01but it is quite fuzzy, as if it had been squashed or something07:43
scizzo-Crozar: honestly...mate...I have given you several things you can try....the actual answer you are giving me is "nothing works" without even trying to check them from the things I have told you....07:44
frostburnjussi01, can you do a xrandr -s 1680x105007:44
jussi01frostburn, off the screen now07:44
scizzo-Crozar: I belive that there is something wrong on the side where the traffic is trying to go router -> internet...07:44
Crozarscizzo- i told u this same problem happened to me with UBUNTU Edge verison 6 , i tried many methods which i understand about MCT networking and well nothing worked ur idea's i tested before . sooo im telling u that gusty is a revised veriosn of edge but not from feisty its like we're going backwards another frontier07:45
scizzo-Crozar: or even DNS problems on the machine it self...that it is not getting the gateway07:45
scizzo-Crozar: well you have not really given me a result to go on either....07:46
scizzo-Crozar: you say that you get to the router and to the people inside the router....however not from router -> internet....07:46
Crozarscizzo- i meant that edge didnt work with my inteernet and nobody have heard about this kind of problem ( but yes with researches about 11 days i picked up something , hardware problem with internet LAN and wireless sometimes have sideeffects and must get lib files ect.. to fix it and tweak some things ) but no one until now told me how07:46
Crozarscizzo- yes its from the system trust me why did feisty work? and edge and gusty didnt07:46
scizzo-Crozar: so.....what happens when you ping or access a site....does it say that it can't resolve the address or something simular?07:47
scizzo-Crozar: these are the things that are important.....saying its not working can be 1000000 things07:47
frostburnjussi01, head to #xorg i'll be in there too07:47
Crozarit says conecting also in irc says connect,.... for long long time then timeout07:47
Crozarwell not working i meant by it is the deadline lo07:47
jussi01frostburn, ok, im there07:48
Crozarscizzo- :( il go back to feisty07:48
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Crozarscizzo- i hope this problem will not be on the later verions :( and im hopeing of installing gusty on my PC and hope it willwork :(07:49
ubotuEnabling extra mouse buttons: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto  - Enabling serial mouse: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialMouseHowto07:49
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ubotuTo find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell07:51
ubotuThe linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal07:51
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about versions - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi07:51
ray_will not remove mplayer packege07:51
ray_still thing the download file is ther07:51
Crozarray_ use autoremove07:51
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ray_i did07:51
ray_will agen07:51
Crozarray_ no07:51
ray_crozar what now07:52
Crozarray_ lets wait for version 8 because i think 8 will have a good release07:52
Crozarray_ stick with feisty07:52
ray_crozar of ubuntu07:52
ray_when will it be comming out07:52
kfazztheres a folder under my home called logs07:52
kfazzit's full of acpi logs07:52
kfazzanyone know why?07:52
Crozarim angry lo07:53
Crozarwhat is the name of the ubuntu verison 8>?07:53
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about emerald - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi07:53
hetaumawhy there is no emerald-themes in gutsy?07:53
savvashetauma: there is no beryl07:53
Dr_willisHeh - i saw a emerald package.. :) not that it did anything other then add an icon/setting07:54
savvasemerald - Decorator for compiz-fusion07:54
savvasah true07:54
hetaumasavvas, but emerald works fine with compiz fusion. or there is something else that replaces it?07:54
savvasmaybe they have the themes in their website07:54
philipemerald used to be loaded with some themes...now there's 007:55
hetaumaactually u can "fetch" themes from within emerald but it doesn't work07:55
kRushkfazz, check /etc/syslog.conf07:56
hetaumau can fetch though non-GPL'ed themes07:56
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scizzo-Crozar: look I can't help you since you are not really up for giving me answers really07:58
scizzo-Crozar: I have giving you many things to actually test but the only thing I get is that its not working not what the result is .....07:58
scizzo-Crozar: so I have nothing to go on really07:58
Crozarscizzo- il wait for verison 8 its ok il live with feisty and im fine with it but for PC il go for gusty =)07:58
Crozarscizzo- thanks for thehelp -) but il use gusty either way on pc but for laptop i dont use much just open office and internet and kopete =)07:59
Crozarthanks all07:59
Crozargtg to format now =/07:59
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kfazzkRush: nothing relating to acpi or to ~/logs in syslog.conf, and i've never modified it08:00
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raymondjtoth /msg NickServ IDENTIFY piperpiper08:01
scizzo-raymondjtoth: hmmm08:01
raymondjtothsorry for in herer wrong window08:01
raymondjtothsed i need to join aq chanle08:01
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raymondjtothok how i install mplayer firefoxcx playin08:02
raymondjtothplugin i mean08:02
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XeroHoly crap.08:03
XeroHe needs to chnage his pass.08:03
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XeroI'm sorry. He does, though.08:03
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Xeroraymondjtoth, you need to do this:08:03
Xero/msg nickserv set password (some new password)08:03
raymondjtothwill do08:04
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XeroYou gave away your password in the channel, and that's not good.08:04
philipthere's only 255 ppl in here who saw his pass, no worries08:04
raymondjtothhow i install the mplayer plujgin for firefox08:04
Xero257, actually.08:04
philipminus himself08:04
philipand sparsex who just joined08:04
XeroI was the one who ghosted him. It was to teach a lesson, though.08:05
sparsecit's sparsec, philip, no sex involved :)08:05
kRushkfazz, well you should probably find out what software generates those logs, lsof yould work for that or hints in the logs themselves08:05
scizzo-raymondjtoth: check in installable programs and use all installable resources or something....08:05
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scizzo-raymondjtoth: then search for mplayer08:05
sparsecI see I missed some seriously interesting stuff! Anyone giving away his password? :)08:05
freelockHi, I had update-manager -d fail part way through installation08:05
philipyeah I wouldn't go a parsex for sex neither08:05
ugais anyone else seeing something strange with the mouse cursors after the last updates?08:06
ugaI believe due to xorg update08:06
freelockI think I've managed to complete the upgrade with dkpg-reconfigure -a, apt-get dist-upgrade, apt-get autoremove...08:06
freelockAnything else I should do before rebooting?08:06
XeroI would go 10 parsecs for sex with an alien.08:06
XeroCrossbreeding FTW.08:07
ugaonce on the (kde) desktop, I get a strange cross cursor, as if it were about to capture a screenshot08:07
sparsecI know I've been asking this today, but anyone here with any experience with rt2500 in gutsy?08:07
ugait only happens since my last dist-upgrade, which seems to include some xorg-core update08:07
kfazzthe logs don't have any info, tehy just look like acpi state changes08:07
kfazzlsof didn't work, i tried that before08:07
kfazzthey seem like tehy're written to every few sconds, but they're not continuously open08:07
raymondjtothhow i purge the setting on mplayer08:08
philipif you were to travel 10 parsecs to hump a young teenage alien, you would probably find an aging alien there instead08:08
raymondjtothso its default08:08
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philipeinstein's general/special theory (forgot which)08:09
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raymondjtothdose any one know how to purge the mplayer for defrault setting08:09
sparsecthere should be an .mplayer directory or file in your home I think08:10
sparsecso either dig in, or delete it08:10
raymondjtothsparsec nope08:10
raymondjtothhow i get ride of it auto clean08:11
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uga|awayit seems it's related to kde release, rather than xorg08:11
uga|awayas starting an X server alone doesn't have the same effect08:11
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sparsecwait a sec - you mean returning to default settings or removing it from hdd?08:11
raymondjtothsparec both08:12
raymondjtothsparsec how do i do this08:12
raymondjtothwith mplayer08:12
raymondjtothi just removed it08:12
ugaraymondjtoth: rm -rf $(HOME)/.mplayer shulud remove all your settings08:13
kfazzacpi packages installed: acpid, acpi-support, acpid, acpitool08:13
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sparsecwell it should be pretty straightforward - sudo apt-get remove mplayer && sudo apt-get clean08:13
raymondjtothuga i get cant fine it08:13
kfazzaaah i figured it out.. it's my gnome-panel temperature monitor08:14
KanRiNiNHey guys.  I botched the Gutsy upgrade and am getting device-mapper errors that prevent me from doing anything, similar to herehttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=522820.  However, I cannot log in at all08:14
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usserdoes anyone use kde here?08:14
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raymondjtothsparsec dose that remove all thing08:14
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cdm10The new gnome-power-manager features are really great.08:15
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sparsecraymond: clean removes all downloaded packages08:15
bullgard4Of what release number is the Kexi DEB program package in Gutsy?08:15
sparsecas for the rest08:15
raymondjtothjow do i do this08:15
sparsecif it depends on mplayer08:15
cdm10raymondjtoth: It doesn't remove them, but it deletes the cached .deb package files, just want to clear that up.08:15
cdm10I assume you're talking about apt-get clean08:15
raymondjtothsparsec how i do this use to be a button08:15
sparseccdm10 that's what I meant08:16
philipwhere do you guys get emerald themes? should I just get it from beryl-project.org?08:16
cdm10philip: try gnome-look.org, they have some... and they link to some other sites to find them.08:16
sparsecphilip you can download them via emerald conf manager, or whatever the thing is called08:16
sparsecraymond I don't know about any button for this08:16
philipcdm10, will do thanks. The emrald conf manager's fetch feature doesn't work08:16
ugabullgard4: kexi 1.1.308:17
nosrednaekimphilip: I got mine from kde-look08:17
sparsecphilip oh well thought it did - at least for me08:17
nosrednaekimsparsec: emeral-theme-manager08:17
sparsecalthough it took a whole eternity to down them all08:17
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bullgard4uga: That is the same release number as in Feisty, isn't it?08:17
ugabullgard4: no idea. No feisty boxes here08:17
sparsecnosrednaekim yes, that's exactly what I meant :)08:18
bullgard4uga: right.08:18
ugaso nobody here is seeign this strange cross mouse cursor when starting up kde first time?08:18
ugaI just would like to confirm it's not my own broken .kde :/08:18
nosrednaekimuga: that my feinrd is the evil take over of XGL08:18
nosrednaekimuga: does the screen flicker a little when it appears?08:18
uganosrednaekim: uhm? I'm not using compiz by default08:18
ugawell... it does blink I think, yes08:18
raymondjtothhow do i remove a folder that has root provige08:19
nosrednaekimuga: but do you have xgl installed?08:19
ugano, I use xorg08:19
sparsecraymond with sudo08:19
ugaor should be... a sec08:19
sparsecsudo rmdir <foldername>08:19
nosrednaekimuga: check to see if you have xgl installed08:19
raymondjtothyes but i keep for geting the sudo command08:19
cdm10!tab | sparsec08:19
ubotusparsec: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.08:19
uganosrednaekim: Package xserver-xgl is not installed, so not removed08:19
nosrednaekimhmm odd.08:20
raymondjtothsparsec tewlling me its in a diretory08:20
raymondjtothwhat i do now08:20
sparsecI suppose every day one learns something new. At least I did now with tab. Dunno if it's auto but thanks :)08:20
nosrednaekimdoes kde ever start?08:20
raymondjtothi see mplayer folder need to remove it08:20
uganosrednaekim: yes, and compiz runs fine if I start it08:20
nosrednaekimuga: so I guess you use aiglx.08:20
raymondjtothbut its in a dirtory08:20
uganosrednaekim: yes, nvidia binary, here08:20
sparsecraymondjtoth: if you want to delete the whole directory with all its content, use "sudo rm -r <directory name>"08:20
nosrednaekimuga: very odd... maybe its an nvidia thing08:20
uganosrednaekim: the strange thing is that running xorg doesn't give me this cursor08:20
ugaonly at the end of kde loading it turns up08:21
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ugait's a cursor like vertical and horizontal cross08:21
uganot the diagonal of the default xorg08:21
ugaas if it were to pick a point, or ascreenshot or...08:21
nosrednaekimk screenshot maybe?08:21
ugaoh, found it... wtf...08:22
uganosrednaekim: when starting up kde something keeps running "import"08:22
ugaI wonder what's doing that08:22
nosrednaekiminport what?08:22
ugayeah, I saw the process08:22
ugaimport, it's a screenshot tool08:22
ugaimport  -  saves any visible window on an X server and outputs it as an image file.08:22
ugawhat on earth is running it now :/08:23
nosrednaekimheh... wow.08:23
raymondjtothstill defaulting to other setting i had08:23
raymondjtothwill not remove all spasec08:23
nosrednaekimmaybe you have it as an autostarted app08:24
uganosrednaekim: either somebody is hacking my box, or somebody added a import command by mistake to a kde package ;)08:24
raymondjtothwhat i do to return it to dauflt setting mplayer08:24
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kRushraymondjtoth, move/rename/delete ~/.mplayer08:25
raymondjtothhow i del it08:25
kRushraymondjtoth, man rm08:26
raymondjtoththats text08:26
kRushoh noez you have to read?08:26
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calmarioHello, How do I add workspaces in gutsy?08:27
_dan_compiz or metacity?08:27
raymondjtothkrush i did this sudo rm -r and you dirctory08:27
nosrednaekimcalmario: gnome I assume08:27
cdm10calmario: right click on the workspaces applet, and go to preferences.08:27
nosrednaekim_dan_: there is KDE too ;)08:27
raymondjtothok is it gone any were eles i need to delete it from?08:27
_dan_nosrednaekim kde? never heared of :P08:27
cdm10calmario: unless you're using effects... then you have to install the package compizconfig-settings-manager and we'll go from there.08:28
calmarioyeah I'm using effects08:28
kRushraymondjtoth, then it's back to defaults08:28
nosrednaekim_dan_: :)08:28
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ghaithcalmario: the only way i've found to add more is to install the compiz settings package and do it from there08:29
uganosrednaekim: okay,... something is running "import commands"08:29
cdm10calmario: so, run the command < sudo aptitude install compizconfig-settings-manager > and then we'll start from there.08:29
ugaand thus stores a poscript file with a screenshot of whatever you click on the desktop, first08:29
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ugasilly bug08:29
JAMEZhi i need help.. i want to try 7.10.. how can i update using the CD i burn08:29
calmarioIs it different from CompizConfig Manager?08:29
gnomefreakJAMEZ: not the best idea right now08:29
cdm10calmario: When that's done, just tell me, and I'll walk you through adding more.08:29
cdm10JAMEZ: You can't, and you shouldn't.08:29
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ghaithi think that's the package, it's not default, oyu need to install it08:30
JAMEZso that mean i should wait until next month?08:30
ugais "import commands" meant to be some python library importing method or similar?08:30
calmarioghaith: I already have it08:30
cdm10JAMEZ: the only way to upgrade is from the alternate CD and from the repositories, but you should really wait 'till the release... it's got some big bugs.08:30
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nosrednaekimuga: that IS python for that.08:30
nosrednaekimand commands is a python module.08:30
JAMEZahh  ok tnx a lot @ cdm1008:30
uganosrednaekim: my bet is it's running something as a system call, instead of importing the module08:30
nosrednaekim(I just checked)08:30
raymondjtothty krush08:31
ghaithhow can i change the default power profiles? i want cpu cloak to be always max08:31
nosrednaekimuga: go to #kubuntu-devel08:31
ghaithcalmario: then check general settings08:31
uganosrednaekim: ah, thanks, sure08:31
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nosrednaekimcalmario: open the settings manager go to "general" and set the # up horizontal spaces to a higher #08:32
cdm10calmario: look for "horizontal size" and set that to however many you want.08:32
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calmarioAh. That's it. Thanks a lot guys08:33
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cdm10The Pidgin version should really be upgraded despite the fact that the upstream version freeze was a while ago.08:35
cdm10The current version has a security problem: http://pidgin.im/news/security/?id=2308:35
awkoramahi allz08:36
raymondjtothgot  a plublem with mplayer08:36
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raymondjtothi have real player in here from real and mplayer want to play the real file in firefox how i fix thsi so real playe them for real file08:36
raymondjtothand not mplayer for real file08:37
raymondjtothbut other wide great08:37
ghaithraymondjtoth: try the firefox prefrences, you can manage the default programs08:38
Brucevdkraymondjtoth: you'd probably have to muck around with mozplugger08:38
raymondjtothwere that08:38
cdm10The firefox plugin preferences suck, but they might work.08:38
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raymondjtothghaith were in there do i go08:38
BrucevdkI personally never have any problems playing anything with mplayer (mozilla-mplayer for embedding)08:38
ghaithraymondjtoth: try content -> file types08:39
Brucevdkmost cases it's just a codec problem, w32codecs from Medibuntu solves most of those08:39
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ghaithraymondjtoth: also check the default gnome player for the type you're playing08:39
raymondjtothty ghaith got it08:40
uganosrednaekim: thanks btw. Issue is known, and patch on the way...08:40
ugait was a python script indeed08:40
ghaithany ideas on how to control the cpu frequency? i want to disable the frequency scaling and keep the cpu at full speed all the time..08:41
cdm10ghaith: Why would you want that?08:42
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ghaithwell my cpu keeps running on 800mhz, i never notice that it goes higher even if i have the ondemand settings, i want ot preserve the speed..08:42
ghaithalso the performance profile gets back to 800mhz..08:43
cdm10ghaith: So, you're saying that it never goes higher than 800 Mhz, even under full load?08:43
Brucevdkghaith: after you finish the convo with cdm10, try cpufrequtils (and sensors-applet for a little applet, "sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets" to enable non-root users to set freq)08:43
ghaithyeah, at least  it has been for the last 30 min08:44
Brucevdkoh wait might not be sensors-applets08:44
ghaithlet me try to load sth..08:44
ghaithBrucevdk: already enabled, i set it to 2GHz and it goes back directly to 800mhz08:44
Dr_willisdarn it. removeabel memory stick.. auto mounts.. user cant write to it..08:44
Dr_willisbug or a setting i need to set?08:45
ghaithit's getting higher when i load sth, well i guess it's good enough then.. let's try on battery08:45
Brucevdkghaith: odd, even with userspace as governor?08:45
ghaithi dont' have that userspace08:45
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ghaithon battery it doesn't go higher then 80008:46
cdm10ghaith: if it goes up when it's put under load, that's what's supposed to happen.08:46
cdm10ghaith: check in your power settings, it might let you set it to not keep it low on battery power.08:46
bernierHi, my sound is working, but there's a huge "screechy cracking sound" when I play music and there's bass08:46
cdm10bernier: try turning "pcm" volume down a bit, and if that doesn't work, turn the actual volume of your player down.08:47
ghaithin the bios i've set it to high performance, i'll check again soon, as for gnome power settings, i havn't seen that option08:47
ghaithhow can i install the governor userspace? or where do i enable it?08:48
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Brucevdkghaith: no no, when you use cpufreq-selector for example you can select governors, which control when the CPU frequency should be raised (there's ondemand, which'll raise it if the load increases for example)08:49
berniercdm10 what should be the playback source?08:49
Brucevdkghaith: userspace basically means it isn't going to touch it, it'll stay at whatever frequency the user selects08:49
ghaithoh ok, that i know, i though there's one more level to have it full power always.. performance seems to act a bit like ondemand08:49
cdm10bernier: sorry, what?08:50
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socpidgin 2.2.0 has a dos/securiy bug08:50
ghaithi dont' have a userspace mode in that case Brucevdk08:50
cdm10soc: yep, i just told 'em that.08:50
socwill it be updatetd to 2.2.108:50
socah ok :-)08:50
socdidn't see you08:50
cdm10soc: My guess is probably.08:50
berniercdm10 in volume control, there's the "playback" tab, which tracks actually plays my sound08:51
cdm10bernier: do you see "pcm" volume?08:51
cdm10bernier: I had that issue until i lowered it a bit.08:51
berniercdm10 where should I see this08:51
bernierI can't find it08:52
cdm10bernier: In the volume control. Double-click the speaker icon.08:52
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cdm10bernier: It may just be on my system, in which case I don't know how to help you.08:52
ghaithok one more question, my wireless seems then usual, i have an ipw2200 card, i noticed that behavior recently on gentoo and now here on ubuntu.. is there a special config for it? my other pc is wired to the router and speed is normal..08:53
cdm10ghaith: your wireless seems than usual? you mean slower?08:53
ghaithyes sorry08:53
_dan_ghaith define slower08:54
cdm10Is it slow with starting a download, or through the entire download?08:54
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hetaumalinux equivalent for soulseek ?08:54
ghaithmy download speed is 16KBps on my pc(wired to the router), 4KBs on the laptop08:54
ghaithhetauma: what's soulseek?08:55
ubotuConventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.08:56
void^thought nicotine was on there..08:56
hetaumavoid^, it is on the link :D08:57
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bernierHi, my sound is working, but there's a huge "screechy cracking sound" when I play music and there's bass08:59
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bernierHi, my sound is working, but there's a huge "screechy cracking sound" when I play music and there's bass, I have SB live! 24 bit09:07
ghaithtry setting up your volume levels right, and install an equalizer09:08
bernierghaith install an equalizer .. which?09:09
ghaithhmm, what music player are you using, must have one09:09
hetaumaI think that I can't see with nautilus files and folders that have names in greek. any ideas why?09:09
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ghaithi think gnome had a default equalizer, i just can't remember the name, i dono if it's installed in ubuntu..09:11
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jimmacdonaldOK I have two issues... both are carry overs from Fiesty. #1. ACPI and USB don't play nice. when I change power modes(unplug my laptop) It errors out on USB calls.09:12
jimmacdonald#2. when it does this and I reboot Kwallet and Knetwork manager break and I have to reboot to fix.09:12
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jimmacdonaldanyone got any ideas on how to fix them?09:15
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whittI'm getting a HAL Device Manager error.  It doesn't provide any information, it just says there's an error09:23
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hetaumahow can I see the files that have greek fonts from ntfs partitions ?09:29
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vonhalenbachWhich color has the xubuntu livecd shutdown message?09:41
kRushhetauma, append ,locale=whateverisgreek to your mount options09:41
delightsince the latest updates my menu got lost in gnome + kde ... does someone know how to fix this ?09:41
vonhalenbachdelight: Which menu?09:42
XeroShould I upload a tarball of Awn to my web server?09:42
delightvonhalenbach: programms menu09:43
vonhalenbachWhere you login?09:43
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delighti login from gdm to either kde oder gnome .. its gutsy with the latest updates09:43
delightand everything seems to work but the applications menu is empty09:44
hetaumakRush, ty09:44
delightin both kde and gnome09:44
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kRush$ amixer set Center mute09:44
kRushamixer: Invalid command!09:44
kRushGot an idea why this is not working? %-values work fine09:44
delightthis happened after i did another dist-ugprade09:44
Xeroawn-window.c:109: error: WNCK_CLIENT_TYPE_PAGER undeclared (first use in this function)09:44
XeroWhat package am I missing?09:45
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vonhalenbachdelight: Strange. I can't help you. Sorry.09:48
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delightvonhalenbach: could it have to do with the fact that i got ubuntustudio-audio installed additionally ?09:48
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delightmaybe because of the cascaded menu they got ... and some upgrade on xdg-menu or so which was incompatible09:49
vonhalenbachdelight: Maybe. Did you try to deinstall it?09:49
delightthe ubuntu studio audio package ?09:49
delightno ...  i did not09:49
delighti can thou09:49
delightbut it was working up till a new upgrade09:50
delightthen that problem appeared09:50
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delightbut i'll give it a shot09:50
vonhalenbachAh. Then the last update has done the misconfiguration.09:50
sn0wmanheya, one quick question, just installed Ubuntu with the livecd (alternative cd) and installation went fine. But when i startup the screen is blank.09:50
sn0wmanlast thing i can see is that grub is loading. and i can hear my hd working, so i guess it starts up.09:51
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sn0wmanbut i can't see anything on the screen. :/09:52
vonhalenbachdid you try the combination Ctrl+ Alt + F7 ?09:52
sn0wmanill try one sec.09:52
sn0wmanit's on my other comp here so :)09:52
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sn0wmani installed it before any times but this is a new comp. never had any problems before so this is kinda annoying :)09:53
darrendhaving major issues with the iwl4965 (net) driver in the beta which didn't happen in tribe5.  anyone else seeing this09:53
TuTUXGis there no more 686 kernels for gutsy?09:53
sn0wmanvonhalen: nothing happends :(09:53
TuTUXGi mean, officially09:54
_dan_TuTUXG its called -generic now09:54
vonhalenbachsn0wman: Then try the combination Ctrl+ Alt + F3 . This should bring you in to a terminal.09:54
sn0wmantryied them all09:54
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sn0wmanfrom 1-709:55
sn0wmani can get into terminal mode by using the cd09:55
sn0wmanand rescue mode.09:55
TuTUXG_dan_, um... but generic kernel couldnt find my wireless nic09:55
sn0wmani checked syslog also, but didn't see anythig particular there iether :/09:55
TuTUXG_dan_, which works perfect with 386-kernel09:56
_dan_did u update lately?09:56
sn0wmanvonhalen: my guess it has something todo with my gfx card and my tft screen somehow. cause it feels like everything is loaded and ready in the "background".09:56
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sn0wmanvonhalen: but i have no idea where to start looking for errors either.09:58
vonhalenbachsn0wman: I have this "in the background" here too, but it is only with the login screen. I have KDE and xfce.09:58
sn0wmanoh ok09:58
sn0wmanso if i try to login now?09:58
sn0wmannah nothing happend :/09:58
fliegenderfroschhow stable is gutsy beta already? is it more painful to install it already or to install feisty and do an upgrade in a few weeks?09:58
sn0wmanand it refuses to go into terminal mode also :/09:59
TuTUXG_dan_, yes, as always, i always do what update manager tells me to...09:59
_dan_TuTUXG whats dmesg saying?09:59
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vonhalenbachsn0wman: This sounds similar to my computer here.09:59
sn0wmanfound any wayarounds?09:59
sn0wmani can try take this crt monitor i have here and plug it in ho.10:00
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TuTUXG_dan_, im on 386 kernel now...10:00
vonhalenbachI wait till my screen gets black after upstart and then go to F7. Then i can login and work.10:00
sn0wmanbut i rather want this to work since i just bought this tft screen for it.10:00
sn0wmanyeah well i can't get into terminal at all :/10:01
TuTUXG_dan_, you want me to switch to generic and check dmesg?10:01
vonhalenbachit needs some time. Some seconds.10:01
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vonhalenbachup to a minute.10:01
_dan_well if u want to fix your card, the best way is to look at the error logs right? :)10:01
sn0wmantried again :/ it's been up for atleast ~5min.10:01
syke_since I did the upgrade from feisty to gutsy, udevd is taking up between 50-75% of my CPU at all times10:02
syke_I have some other problems, but that is the most pressing since it makes my battery life quite low10:02
syke_anyone else know of this issue?10:03
TuTUXG_dan_, k, brb10:03
_dan_or at least ur able to post a proper bugreport then10:04
syke_in the dmesg output, I see a lot of this:10:04
syke_[ 6537.872000]  device-mapper: table: 254:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed10:04
syke_[ 6537.872000]  device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table10:04
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syke_I think it might be related, but I'm not sure what to do about it10:05
syke_any help is greatly appreciated10:05
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vonhalenbachsyke_: Maybe another kernel would help.10:06
vonhalenbachwhich kernel is it?10:06
vonhalenbachuname -a10:06
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syke_Linux pretention 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 18:11:30 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux10:08
syke_the i386 kernel does the same, btw10:08
TuTUXG_dan_, pastebin?10:09
_dan_paste the relevant parts of your wlan stuff in pastebin10:10
XeroI got Awn to build. Just a checksum problem. The download had gone awry somewhere.10:10
hetaumaamarok needs different codecs than rythmbox? I'm truing to listen to a stream that plays with rythmbox but amaroks needs codec10:11
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BlueParrotI fogured I'd update because I would be able to cope with bugs and hence might actually help a bit, and then my system goes and works flawlessly ...10:11
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Xerohehehehe tiny 10:12
vonhalenbachBtw, there existed the bugreport about panel already. I just had to confirm it.10:12
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TuTUXG_dan_, http://pastebin.com/m10878d1710:14
_dan_TuTUXG i had the exact same problem 1 week ago, it went away after some updates tho, are u sure u are using an up to date mirror? whats your kernel? uname -r10:15
TuTUXG_dan_, 2.6.22-12-generic10:15
TuTUXG_dan_, i think i have the rite repos, let me double check10:16
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BluesKajheh, 2.6.22-12 wouldn't even boot10:17
_dan_TuTUXG  i can suggets, reinstall the kernel+modules if thats not working file a bug report10:17
_dan_apt-get install --reinstall packagename in case10:17
TuTUXG_dan_, k, i will do that, another question is that the generic kernel has better performance than 386 kernel with my centrino 1.73?10:19
BluesKajis the final release going to use the 2.6.22-12 kernel10:19
TuTUXG_dan_, im just not sure if i really need the generic kernel or not10:19
syke_vonhalen: anything else I should check for this udevd problem?10:20
_dan_i dont know how much the performance gain is10:20
_dan_if u got dual core u need genereic afaik, correct me if i am wrong10:20
TuTUXGbut it's better?10:20
TuTUXGya, but my isnt dual core10:20
_dan_i doubt u feel a difference10:21
_dan_i had 386 kernel on my laptop for years10:21
_dan_since generic wasnt working properly10:21
_dan_still file a bugreport :)10:21
TuTUXGya, i was using 686 kernels10:21
syke_my udevd is forever eating up about 75% of my CPU - anyone know how I can debug this problem further?10:21
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TuTUXGbut, watever, i will reinstall the kernel and check10:22
sn0wmanvonhalen: i think i found something aout the black screen error.10:23
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sn0wmanvonhalen: seems that (in my case) grub is causing it, booting into somehing my screen can't show.10:24
sn0wmanvonhalen: problem still remains tho, cause i have no idea how to fix it.10:24
luca_hi everyone10:24
syke_my /var/log/messages is filling up with this:10:24
syke_Sep 30 13:23:57 pretention kernel: [ 7734.540000]  device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table10:24
syke_Sep 30 13:23:57 pretention last message repeated 5 times10:24
luca_I have serious problems with network-manager10:24
syke_dmesg says this:10:24
syke_[ 7720.904000]  device-mapper: table: 254:0: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed10:24
syke_I suspect this is the issue, but I'm not sure how to fix it10:24
syke_can someone please help me?10:25
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kRushis there an option to enable antialiasing in compiz?10:31
BluesKajthe startup file is obviously different on gutsy than feisty. Is it buried inside another file/app ?10:32
hype_kRush , query me if you find out10:34
hype_i had a ~/.fonts.conf, but i didnt back it up :(10:34
syke_it looks like udevd is screwing up on this file:10:37
syke_ /etc/udev/rules.d/65-dmsetup.rules10:37
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HOThey, can anyone give me a command to return the name of my sound card at the CLI?10:42
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HOTah right of course10:42
HOTgot some updates last night and my AC97 audio has just stopped working, on a clean install10:43
doublemikeI'm having trouble upgrading from 6.10 to 7.1010:43
doublemikeI tried the update manager upgrade to 7.04, but it didn't work10:43
doublemikeit doesn't seem to work without gnome10:44
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XeroDoes anyone know a good media player?10:46
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HOToh that old gem, seems they have added more control over audio out, just needed to turn it up :)10:46
XeroOne that doesn't either look like crap (vlc) or have no visualizations that don't look like crap (amarok)10:47
HOTXero: im liking songbird10:47
Xero_dan_, does mplayer have any good viz?10:47
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redheathi everyone10:47
_dan_i dont know but it doesnt look like crap10:47
redheatguys you gotta helpme around here..10:48
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redheatIi'm totally pissed off with this comiz"confusion"  thingy10:48
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redheatwhere can I set the settings for this twisted app?10:48
redheatwhatever happened to that Beautiful Beryl?10:48
DanaG!info compizconfig-settings-manager10:49
ubotucompizconfig-settings-manager: Compiz configuration settings manager. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2+git20070912-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 498 kB, installed size 3268 kB10:49
DanaGGnome developers seem to overdo it on the 'simplicity' theme.10:49
DanaGExample: gnome-screensaver.  WTF?  All the settings are missing!10:49
doublemikeXero: totem?10:49
redheatDana, Ubotu, I forgot to say I installed the new Nvidia Drivers using the usual way10:49
redheatand it rocks10:49
Xerodoublemike, totem is slow.10:49
DanaGOh, and with a notebook, try hotkey display switching some time.10:50
doublemikeXero: how so?10:50
DanaGThat's been the subject of some recent updates.10:50
Xerodoublemike, it plays movies slowly for me.10:50
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XeroXine plays them better.10:50
XeroI think I'll just use Xine for my media.10:50
DanaGTotem sucks at subtitles.10:50
doublemikeXero: that used to be the case for me too, but there's this weird hack to make it work10:50
doublemiketotem sucks at almost everything10:51
doublemikebut it was the only one that worked for me10:51
XeroOkay. I just integrated Xine into firefox with plugins and other things.10:51
doublemikebtw, any idea how to do that with swiftfox?10:51
isomorphismCan someone help?  I just upgraded and cannot get past the initial setup of screen and graphics card.10:52
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Webbmasterwhy can't i kdesu as another user on gutsy, but i could on feisty?10:53
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secleinteerhi, i installed kde4 in gutsy, and i'm not getting the new kicker, or whatever it's called now10:54
secleinteeris this normal?10:54
Webbmastersecleinteer: i have the same problem10:54
secleinteerWebbmaster: did you install kdebase-workspace?10:54
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Webbmastersecleinteer: do you just get a bar at the botom with two things along the line off: this thing can not be loaded10:54
Webbmastersecleinteer: yes10:54
secleinteeryeah, i get two bars10:55
secleinteerwith two things in it10:55
XeroHow do i change keybindings in Xine?10:55
secleinteerand a button on the top left10:55
secleinteerfor 'configuration'10:55
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Webbmastersecleinteer: and its nearly unuseable :S10:56
isomorphismDoes anyone know why I can't get past the initial setup of graphics card/screen in gutsy?10:56
secleinteerWebbmaster: it _is_ unusuable lol10:56
secleinteerunless you load kicker using 'run command'10:56
secleinteerand then it's not really kde410:56
Webbmasterah rite10:57
Webbmastersecleinteer: and you've got no more idea how to fix it than me? :S10:57
secleinteerWebbmaster: nope, i just installed it10:57
secleinteergood thing i did it in vmware and not with my actual install10:57
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secleinteerWebbmaster: but when i load kde3 from the kdm, everything looks the same as before10:58
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Webbmastersecleinteer: yeah, i gave up and switched back to kde310:59
TiaGo|SouZahey, two problems here10:59
secleinteerWebbmaster: you put it on your actual install?10:59
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Whoopiehi, anybody with an ASUS laptop here?10:59
TiaGo|SouZaafter doing today's update my wallpaper and icons has gone10:59
TiaGo|SouZaanybody knows what causes that?!11:00
Webbmastersecleinteer: yep11:00
TiaGo|SouZaI'm on XGL11:00
secleinteerWebbmaster: that's a little risky :P11:00
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contrast83TiaGo|SouZa: Does the problem persist outside of an XGL session?11:00
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TiaGo|SouZahow do I get out of xgl in gutsy?!11:01
TiaGo|SouZait starts automatically11:01
secleinteerTiaGo|SouZa: they don't want you getting out :P11:01
contrast83I would imagine the same way you did in Feisty. Can't you select a non-XGL session from the login screen?11:01
markithi, I installed kubuntu 7.1 beta in a laptop of a friend of mine, and had some troubles11:01
TiaGo|SouZathat's what I've noticed11:01
markitfirst one, was with the installer and the partitions11:01
TiaGo|SouZadidn't tried that11:02
TiaGo|SouZahave to check11:02
markit(btw, is the right plate where talk about it? developers here?)11:02
contrast83TiaGo|SouZa: Did you try just turning Compiz off?11:02
TiaGo|SouZaactually, no11:02
contrast83TiaGo|SouZa: GNOME, right?11:03
TiaGo|SouZadidn't work turn compiz off11:03
TiaGo|SouZaconstrast, yeap11:03
TiaGo|SouZawell, at least my wallpaper reapeared11:03
contrast83Still no icons?11:04
TiaGo|SouZabut not the icons or the menu when I right click the mouse11:04
TiaGo|SouZacontrast83: no icons11:04
TiaGo|SouZaanybody here suffered of this problem?!11:04
TiaGo|SouZaor am I alone?11:04
isomorphismOn first boot of a Gutsy upgrade, does it look at the xorg.conf, or just go into some safe mode where it asks for driver info from you?11:04
doublemikebefore I upgrade, does xgl/compiz + cinerama/fglrx + xfce actually work in gutsy?11:05
contrast83TiaGo|SouZa: Try a non-XGL session.11:05
TiaGo|SouZacontrast83: ok11:05
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TiaGo|SouZacontrast83: but then I would not have compiz11:05
TiaGo|SouZacontrast83: that's not really a problem, but is there a way to solve that without running out of xgl?!11:06
contrast83TiaGo|SouZa: But then you'll know what the problem is.11:06
TiaGo|SouZayou're right11:06
XeroAny media player besides Amarok capable of minimizing into the tray? (Alltray+compiz=NO!)11:07
contrast83If it turns out it's a problem with Compiz, you might ask around in #compiz-fusion11:07
contrast83TiaGo|SouZa: Is the missing icons/background the *only* problem, or did you notice any other weird behavior?11:07
TiaGo|SouZawell, until yesterday, everything was fine..today's upgrade did that11:07
TiaGo|SouZacontrast83: there's other strange behaviour: everytime I boot, the resolution of my screen is at the maximum value, 1400xsomething else11:08
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markitwell, the installer did not tried to use the empty, not already created GB free space, but wanted to "resize" existing winXP ones, sounds not good, isn't it?11:08
TiaGo|SouZaand I have to settle it to 1280x1024 manually11:08
contrast83TiaGo|SouZa: That's something in your xorg.conf, most likely11:08
contrast83TiaGo|SouZa: If you want, pastebin your xorg.conf and I'll have a look at it.11:09
TiaGo|SouZais there a "GUI" way to resolve it?! (I know how to manually edit the xorg, but I'm afraid of doing that)11:09
contrast83markit: Did you try doing the partitions manually?11:09
TiaGo|SouZalet me see my xorg11:10
isomorphismSorry for asking so many times, but I'm desperately trying to get this machine to work.  I can't get through the first boot (stuck on choosing a graphics card).  Suggestions/Help please?11:10
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contrast83The automatic partitioner sucks. You're better off doing it manually so you can set seperate partitions for / and /home11:10
markitcontrast83: yes, at the end I was able to do, but I'm here to report a intallation problem (bug report), is it the right place?11:10
contrast83isomorphism: What card?11:10
contrast83markit: launchpad.net11:10
isomorphismcontrast83, it's an nvidia 660011:10
TiaGo|SouZacontrast83: another problem: programs and windows aren't opening11:10
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TiaGo|SouZalet me try to reboot11:11
contrast83markit: Search around on there and make sure no one reported it already11:11
TiaGo|SouZamaybe out of xgl11:11
TiaGo|SouZaI'll be right back11:11
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contrast83TiaGo|SouZa: No need to reboot11:11
cypherdelicGood Evening. I have to solve a problem. In my network there are two Samba Servers runnign as Shares, one is Windows XP and one is Linux. The Linux One (current beta) doesnt show ANY host in the Nautilus Network, even the Windows Network is empty. Shared Folders Service is running, Folders are Shared and Mountpoints are available. Please help. Both mashines can ping each other. Internet works great on both.11:12
markitcontrast83: ah, I should register first, but I'm not a regular ubuntu user, sigh11:12
cypherdelici cant even watch my own shares, i gues something is wrong11:13
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isomorphismanyone else experience problems getting gutsy to boot for the first time with an nvidia card?11:16
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scizzo-isomorphism: I got nvidia card11:18
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isomorphismscizzo-, did you have any problems when you first installed or upgraded to gutsy?11:18
isomorphismscizzo-, I can't get past the screen/graphics card setup screen (new with gutsy?)11:19
scizzo-isomorphism: well.....a few changes here and there and it works ok11:19
scizzo-isomorphism: new card?11:19
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Lilacorhow do I change what compiz fusion plugins are configured?11:20
isomorphismscizzo-, it's an older card.  a geforce 6600.  I don't understand what gutsy is doing.  Why it won't allow me to bypass this initial setup of screen/graphics card.11:20
DanaGDebconf for Xorg really needs a "Leave my setup alone!" option.11:24
isomorphismscizzo-, I managed to get to my desktop by replacing the xorg.conf with the failsafe version.  Thanks anyway11:25
Lilacorthank goodness for backup xorg.conf files.11:26
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tmatixi just upgraded to gutsy beta, it's beautiful but now my workspaces/virtual desktops aren't working right and i can't find a section in the preferences to adjust them11:36
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tmatixit seems as though gnome and compiz disagree about how many workspaces i have11:38
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gnomefreaktmatix: yeah thats been a bug since like june11:39
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TiaGo|SouZacontrast83: hey11:44
TiaGo|SouZaeverything fine here11:44
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contrast83TiaGo|SouZa: Congrats11:45
hetaumathere is no ubuntuguide fro gutsy?11:45
contrast83AmyRose: What card?11:45
AmyRosecontrast83: It doesn't seem to matter what card since a bug has been filed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/14707011:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 147070 in gnome-panel "bottom panel not visible when desktop starts" [Undecided,Confirmed] 11:46
TiaGo|SouZacontrast83: the resolution problem I worked out editing manually xorg, and the other one didn't show up anymore after I turn compiz off and restart the system11:46
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hetaumatmatix, do you have compiz settings manager?11:46
TiaGo|SouZathis is happening frequently, after the update, I have to turn something off and restart the system11:47
TiaGo|SouZacontrast83: anyway, thanks for the help, man11:47
contrast83TiaGo|SouZa: No problem11:47
AmyRoseWhy would there be an ubuntuguide for gutsy?11:47
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TiaGo|SouZadoes anybody here know if the final artwork is already in the gutsy beta?!11:48
tmatixhetauma: nope, installing it now11:48
TiaGo|SouZaor will it be added in the final release?!11:48
basculeberyl: decoration: property ignored because version is 20070319 and decoration plugin version is 20061011 << you guys aware of this?11:48
hetaumatmatix, go there and under general options set the horizontal virtual size to +1 of the number of desktops you want :D11:49
nosrednaekimbascule: why are you using beryl on gutsy?11:50
basculewell because compiz doesn't give me the cube, and beryl doesn't give me emerald, gotta be a connection ... :)11:50
tmatixhetauma: wow, that works great :) thanks much11:51
contrast83bascule: Your version of Emerald is older than your version of Beryl11:51
Xerognomefreak, what?11:51
basculecontrast83: yeah I guessed that, I have done no manual installs this is out the repos11:51
contrast83bascule: Compiz gives you the cube. It's just not in the default settings in Gutsy's packages11:51
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bascule/usr/bin/compiz.real (cube) - Warn: Failed to load slide: freedesktop <--connected to no cube?11:52
contrast83bascule: If you're intent on using Beryl, I'd suggest Shame's repo.11:52
niekiebascule: You can install a settings manager for Compiz which will allow you to use the cube.11:52
basculeniekie: it is installed11:52
niekiebascule: compizconfig-settings-manager11:52
niekiebascule: oh, ok :-)11:52
tmatixthis settings app is ridiculous, now i'm going to go press all the buttons and break a bunch of things11:52
contrast83bascule: How are you starting Compiz?11:52
basculeniekie: ccsm and cuse is ticked11:53
hetaumabascule, at general options/ Desktop size what is the No of horizontal virtula desktops ?11:54
contrast83tmatix: You can always delete ~/.config/compiz/compizconfig/Default.ini if you bork your Compiz settings. ;-)11:54
basculecontrast83: I kicked it off from the shell to see debug output if any11:54
hetaumabascule, and u have rotate cube enabled right?11:54
AmyRoseDoes anyone have the problem where the desktop window covers absolutely everything, or at least the bottom panel, when Compiz starts?11:54
basculehetauma: yes, no cube and no top-right corner preview thingy either11:54
contrast83bascule: command?11:54
AmyRoseI got this problem after the last round of Compiz updates11:55
contrast83AmyRose: I think I was having that problem the other day. I completely uninstalled Compiz from that system, haven't retried since.11:55
nosrednaekimAmyRose: hey... are you running XGL?11:55
hetaumabascule, but is it set to have 4 desktops so it becomes cuge?11:55
AmyRosenosrednaekim: No.11:56
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basculehetauma: i think this could be it ... :)11:56
nosrednaekimoh.ok... cause i'm having ANOTHER problem with compiz and Xgl11:56
hetaumabascule, actually it's a bit buggy so set it to 5 so u get 4 :D11:56
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SpiderPigwhat will be new in gutsy gibbong?11:57
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contrast83AmyRose: That was on my desktop which uses nVidia. I'm having no trouble on my laptop (ATI/AIGLX), which is why I was asking you which card earlier.11:57
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TiaGo|SouZadoes anybody here know if the final artwork is already in the gutsy beta, or will it be added in the final release?11:57
AmyRosecontrast83: Oh11:57
AmyRoseI have Nvidia11:57
RAOFtmatix: Yes, we know that settings manager is pure distilled crazy.  That's why it's not installed by default :)11:58
rafaelhow can i start gnome-theme-manager at gutsy? i get command not found if i try it11:58
AmyRoseRAOF: I can't stand Compiz without that tool11:58
RAOFrafael: You want gnome-appearance-properties instead.11:58
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contrast83AmyRose: And when you move windows, do they leave trails?11:59
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contrast83CCSM is the shizzle11:59
AmyRosecontrast83: Not usually.11:59
SpiderPigwill it be possible for me to upgrade to gutsy from fiesty fawn without burning and downloading a new verison?11:59
TiaGo|SouZaSpiderPig: yeap11:59
AmyRoseI wish Compiz had the Force AIGLX option11:59
rafaelRAOF: yes, thanks. :) why isn't it in the menu?11:59
TiaGo|SouZaSpiderPig: do u want to do it now, or wait for the final release?!11:59
basculehetauma: i have a cube :)12:00
SpiderPigi will wait for final release.  thank you sir.12:00
hetaumabascule, sweet12:00
contrast83AmyRose: Hmm... Not sure if we're talking about the same problem then. For me, the desktop window wasn't refreshing, so every bit of movement/effects/whatever left an imprint. Not sure if I'm putting that very clearly12:00
SpiderPigi am very new to linux so i cant program so i will wait when its finished. maybe i will install it on all computers i have and completely remove this filthy vista12:00
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AmyRosecontrast83: My problem is that Compiz seems to be mis-managing the desktop window, so it's showing up on top of EVERYTHING12:00
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contrast83Yeah, mine did that too, actually12:01
contrast83It was back and forth between that, or what I was just describing.12:01
basculehetauma: I have a 5 sided (non-cube) polygon, but it spins ... :D12:02
contrast83AmyRose: Icons on the desktop?12:02
vonhalenbachSpiderPig: Don't forget to backup your files.12:02
AmyRosecontrast83: The desktop looks and behaves completely normal except that it's on top instead of behind everything12:02
SpiderPigvonhalenbach ok np. thanks.12:02
contrast83AmyRose: You *might* try sending the desktop window to the widget layer. Quite an ugly workaround, but it might work for the moment.12:02
AmyRoseUh, how?12:03
TiaGo|SouZaSpiderPig: believe me, you'll love gutsy12:03
RAOFrafael: It is.  System->Preferences->Appearance.12:03
TiaGo|SouZaI'm already loving it, and I am on beta12:03
vonhalenbachSo even if all went wrong, you still can work with your files.12:03
TiaGo|SouZabut listen to vonhalenbach12:03
vonhalenbachbeta is still buggy. Don't forget that.12:03
contrast83AmyRose: And you could just tell Compiz to draw your wallpaper12:04
AmyRosecontrast83: OK, how do I do that?12:04
vonhalenbachWindows users are easily scared away, when someone doesn't work in linux.12:04
hetaumabascule, set it to 4 or 5 sometimes it gets the right value sometimes it gets -112:05
contrast83AmyRose: Cube or Wall?12:05
AmyRosecontrast83: I'm using the cube12:05
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contrast83AmyRose: And by "that" do you mean all of what I suggested, or just the wallpaper part?12:06
TiaGo|SouZavonhalenbach: I like to say that when something works in linux, Windows users tend to be impressed by how well things are done12:06
AmyRosecontrast83: All of what you suggested, and I'm using KDE.12:06
TiaGo|SouZaeg, automatic network connection12:06
TiaGo|SouZabut when things don't work...12:07
contrast83AmyRose: One sec... You have the Widget Layer plugin (under Desktop), right?12:07
contrast83K... Hang on...12:07
basculehetauma: I am up and running now, it's all good man, thanks a lot12:07
contrast83AmyRose: Widget Layer -> Behavior -> Widget Windows: type=Desktop12:08
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TiaGo|SouZadoes anybody here know if the final artwork is already in the gutsy beta, or will it be added in the final release? does anybody knows how can I find that information? I already looked everywhere...12:09
contrast83AmyRose: Then, to get your wallpaper back, Desktop Cube -> Appearance -> Background Images12:09
XeroHow do I use multimedia keys in Songbird? The MMKeys works partially, but I want my Playpause key12:09
kRushTiaGo|SouZa, I saw a timeline recently, I think the deadline is over by now12:09
contrast83TiaGo|SouZa: Follow the link in the topic. ;-)12:09
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AmyRoseok, thanks, contrast8312:10
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contrast83AmyRose: Did it work?12:10
TiaGo|SouZakRush: I saw the timeline too, the deadline was last 20, but the icons didn't change at all12:10
AmyRosecontrast83: I don't know yet12:10
TiaGo|SouZaso I thought that maybe, just maybe, this changes would be added in the final release12:11
contrast83Oh ok. Let me know. :-)12:11
TiaGo|SouZacontrast83: I already did that12:11
AmyRosecontrast83: I found a better solution :D12:11
contrast83AmyRose: Yes...?12:11
XeroOkay, sorry to repeat, but how do you use multimedia keys in Songbird?12:12
contrast83TiaGo|SouZa: Don't get your hopes up.12:12
AmyRoseI went into CCSM and checked the Window Rules plug-in, then put "type=desktop" under Sticky and Below12:12
TiaGo|SouZacontrast83: why?!12:12
contrast83AmyRose: Much smarter12:12
AmyRoseIt worked like a charm, and my wallpaper isn't screwed up12:12
contrast83AmyRose: Thanks. I'm gonna go try reinstalling Compiz, I think.12:13
hetaumahow do I share files between linux and linux ?12:13
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AmyRosecontrast83: I noticed that I could configure it that way, so I tried12:14
nosrednaekimhetauma: NFS, ssh, fish...12:14
contrast83TiaGo|SouZa: Because I would personally take Final Deadline to mean Final Deadline. ;-)12:14
contrast83As much as I use Window Rules, I should have thought of that. Heh.12:14
gavintlgoldhi, my sister accidentally cut off my internet just before it did the tzdata setup, and so the updater hung, and i couldn't do anything but restart. now i'm in a livecd, and doing the chroot brings up dependency problems...12:15
AmyRosecontrast83: Do you know of any documentation of the format those strings are supposed to be in?12:15
contrast83AmyRose: I was in #compiz-fusion talking with one of the main devs and even he didn't think of that. :-P12:15
TiaGo|SouZacontrast83: when something hits the final deadline, will it be added in the next build?!12:15
contrast83AmyRose: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=4104 /shameless plug12:15
TiaGo|SouZais that what u say?12:15
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sobersabreguys, I have a machine that gets stuck with gutsy12:16
sobersabrewhere shall I send the dmesg ?12:16
contrast83AmyRose: Also - http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=1768&highlight=%22window+rules%2212:16
sobersabreI made sure it doesn't relate compiz, but relates X12:16
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gavintlgoldoh, i might be getting somewhere...12:18
AmyRosecontrast83: Thanks. Now I am glad to have my cube and wobbly windows again :D12:18
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contrast83AmyRose: No prob, and thank you as well. I'm gonna go try and get mine back now. Later :-)12:19
AmyRoseMe too; I want to make sure this really fixed it12:19
kRushhow do I force a refresh of thumbnails in nautilus?12:22
XeroOkay, sorry to repeat, but how do you use multimedia keys in Songbird?12:22
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LhademmorHey people, I'm currently in the process of upgrading from Feisty to Gutsy12:25
gavintlgoldok, i need help....12:25
gavintlgoldE: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.12:25
gavintlgoldthen i run that, and i get dependency problems12:25
gavintlgoldbecause my update was broken when my sister cut off my internet12:26
rafaelgavintlgold: what did u before?12:26
gavintlgoldit was installing, but then it did it's little time zone check12:26
gavintlgoldand because of that, it needed internet, which it didn't get12:26
gavintlgoldand so it froze12:26
frostburn^ topic    -.-12:26
frostburnrun the dist-upgrade again12:27
gavintlgoldwhat should i run?12:27
gavintlgoldapt-get dist-upgrade?12:27
gavintlgoldthat tells me to run dpkg --configure -a12:27
Lhademmorwhy did Canonical stop supporting ~10 packages from Gutsy and onwards?12:27
frostburngavintlgold, pastebin the entire thing please12:28
XeroOOo time. I have to write some stupid paper.12:28
gavintlgoldhttp://pastebin.com/m7f227a5 << frostburn12:29
DanaGInteresting: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=863&num=112:29
DanaGAbout the radeonhd driver.12:29
gavintlgoldis there some way to configure packages?12:30
gavintlgoldit seems like none of the packages were configured, and so it's not letting me continue12:30
gavintlgoldi mean, that is what happened12:30
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gavintlgoldeverything would have worked fine, if it wasn't for my sister ... *sigh*12:32
frostburndependency hell12:33
frostburnyou can start manually installing each package =] 12:33
Reabyhttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39193/ <-- beagle index opens su session, root account activated, system compromized ?12:34
gavintlgoldoh wait, maybe if I manually install pygtk the installer might work12:34
gavintlgoldsince it doesn't like that12:34
gavintlgold:/ who knows12:34
gavintlgoldbut i can't install anything...12:35
basculegavintlgold: man, that's nasty ... :(12:35
gavintlgoldbut don't complain about it being my fault for not reading the topic... it would have happened even if it were the final release...12:35
gavintlgoldone of the worst coincidences ever...12:36
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gavintlgoldhttp://pastebin.com/m350245a4 << entire error12:38
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frostburngavintlgold, if you really want to fix that,10  install it one package at a time, if there's a dep error, install the dep goto 1012:41
frostburnrinse wash repeat12:41
leperkhanzHi.  I just submitted a massive bug report to launchpad.12:41
frostburnad nauseum12:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 147354 in ubuntu "Outstanding bugs in Gutsy Beta" [Undecided,New] 12:42
leperkhanzPlease feel free to squash some of them bugs.12:42
gavintlgoldroot@ubuntu:/# dpkg --configure -a Setting up dbus (1.1.1-3ubuntu2) ... Fixing up startup script priorities... invoke-rc.d: initscript dbus, action "start" failed.12:42
gavintlgoldthat's the thing that starts it12:42
gavintlgoldbecause everything else depends on it12:43
gavintlgoldif i could fix that one problem, i think everything else would go smoothly12:43
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frostburn1. you aren't using restricted drivers 2. mp3 is licensed 3. not all cameras work with linux kernel  4. camerama  5. getdeb 6. compiz is supposed to be run as normal anything else is a bonus12:44
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leperkhanz1. Yes I am. 2. Right, but it should still be very easy to add that as an option to Sound Juicer, and it's not. 3. Yes, apparently none of the generic canons or sonys that I own.  4. What?  5. I live there.  6. Compiz crashes when I try it most of the time.12:46
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leperkhanz7. I want Ubuntu to be on all the 50+ machines I administer, and currently that is NOT a possibility for those reasons, and the others noted at launchpad.12:47
gnomefreakwhy all the numbers being used as points?12:48
gnomefreakstate problem if someone can help they will12:48
AmyRoseYay, my little workaround in Compiz worked :D12:48
leperkhanzI think he was referring to my initial post on the forums, or at launchpad.  There were some numbers on one or both of them. :)12:48
scipioleperkhanz, what video card do you have?12:49
leperkhanzgeforce 6600 gt12:49
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gavintlgoldso.... i can't do anything12:50
frostburnback up your /home dir and get the latest iso12:51
leperkhanzYeah.... I was thinking that might help.  Still though, some of those issues are still going to remain, no?12:52
scipioleperkhanz, i don't have any real solution, just being curious here. did games run ok in feisty? with compiz enabled?12:52
leperkhanzAnd might I not want to wait until Gutsy final is released?12:52
leperkhanzscipio: Yes.12:52
leperkhanzscipio: I was under Beryl, though.12:52
leperkhanzwhich is slightly different.12:52
contrast83AmyRose: Cool. Looks like it works here too.12:53
Amaranthleperkhanz: Yes, it was slower ;)12:53
leperkhanzBut it worked.12:53
leperkhanzThere's my youtube video to prove it.12:53
AmaranthDon't need to prove anything, with compiz running I can play games and watch movies and etc12:53
leperkhanzmy camera also worked, as I uploaded the video under feisty as well. :)12:53
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AmyRosecontrast83: Goody12:54
leperkhanzI should have had somebody else hold the camera.... I suck at driving and holding the cam at the same time... LOL12:55
Amaranthgavintlgold: you could patch the dbus init script to run exit 0 right at the top12:55
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Amaranthgavintlgold: and fix it later12:55
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SlimeyPetehmm... in order to get Kubuntu Gutsy to work, I had to install it via alt. CD, then log in via a recover console and set a root password (because no standard user was configured) so that I could edit xorg.conf to fix my graphics driver problem. Are these known issues?12:57
AmaranthSlimeyPete: ATI X1000 or newer?12:58
SlimeyPetenope. Mobility Radeon 200M12:58
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AmaranthPretty sure that's the same problem though12:58
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AmaranthIt'll probably work right in hardy12:59
gavintlgoldaha, it seems to be more cooperative now12:59
gavintlgoldfor some reason12:59
SlimeyPeteit used to work with the OSS drivers in Feisty (though I used proprietary anyway, for acceleration)12:59
gavintlgoldidk if it was the script that did it12:59
gavintlgoldbut apt-get dist-upgrade is working now12:59
gavintlgoldat least it's downloading.. we'll see01:00
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Amaranthgavintlgold: of course your desktop won't work if dbus doesn't start01:01
Amaranthhell you can't even start epiphany without dbus01:01
gavintlgoldi changed it back01:01
Amaranthsure but it was failing01:02
gavintlgoldbut apt-get dist-upgrade still is downloading.. progress, perhaps01:02
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gavintlgoldyes, it seems to be working...01:02
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Amaranthdbus started?01:02
Amaranthpgrep dbus-daemon01:02
gavintlgoldok, it seems to be working, but not being able to write to log01:03
pwuertzhi... anyone got that "gnome-appearance-properties takes all your cpu time" bug too?01:03
pwuertzisn't that a known bug?01:03
cypherdelici got that too01:05
basculeman, this compiz-fusion thing is just too much fun :)01:05
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TiaGo|SouZabascule: agreed!01:06
gavintlgoldugh.. now i get a dependency problem: two packages depend on each other, so they can't be configured01:10
gavintlgoldi wish my sister hadn't put the mac to sleep...01:12
basculeis dpkg-reconfigure some_package too hopeful for me to even mention?01:12
frostburngavintlgold, which two01:12
gavintlgoldfrostburn: initramfs and volumeid01:12
gavintlgoldbascule: i haven't tried REconfigure01:13
gavintlgoldonly configure...01:13
frostburninitramfs-tools doesn't require volumeid01:14
frostburni see01:15
gavintlgoldi'm trying dpkg-reconfigure -a01:15
gavintlgoldis that ok?01:15
frostburnshrug, play around01:16
gavintlgoldi think i know what might be a problem01:16
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gavintlgold /etc/init.d/apport: 127: cannot create /proc/sys/kernel/core_pattern: Directory nonexistent01:16
gavintlgoldseems to have something to do with the /etc/init.d dir01:17
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basculedo you have /proc populated?01:17
basculels /proc/01:18
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gavintlgoldreturns nothing01:18
basculemount none -t proc /proc01:18
basculemount none -t procfs /proc  one of those01:18
gavintlgoldacpid: can't open /proc/acpi/event: Device or resource busy01:19
gavintlgoldinvoke-rc.d: initscript acpid, action "start" failed.01:19

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