[03:54] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:22] <nicetry> how do i install the fonts for wine file/?
[05:26] <sbalneav> Pardon?
[05:26] <sbalneav> Not sure what you mean.
[05:36] <nicetry> when i open a program useing wine file the program opens but does not show the font
[05:39] <sbalneav> Which program?  I need a little more information.
[05:40] <sbalneav> I'm using wine here, and things work ok for me.
[05:44] <sbalneav> If you run winmine, you you see the fonts?
[06:01] <sbalneav> moquist!
[06:01] <sbalneav> Hey, dude!
[06:01] <sbalneav> How's the system?
[06:07] <moquist> sbalneav: coming right along. 2 of my 3 RAID5 drives died on the same day...the day when I began to rsync my data to my new server.
[10:09] <vbu-Ingvar> whats the release-date for Gutsy?
[10:10] <joebob777as7> 19th
[10:40] <RichEd> ping ogra
[01:34] <Kubuntu> Eyy
[01:35] <Kubuntu> How do I start Thin Client Manager?
[04:17] <bddebian> Heya
[04:17] <RichEd> hi bddebian
[04:18] <bddebian> Hello RichEd
[04:35] <RichEd> ogra: any feedback on the beta yet ?
[04:35] <RichEd> any major problems reported ?
[04:35] <ogra> well, given that i couldnt get any mails until now i'm not sure
[04:36] <ogra> nothing in the bugs though beyond the destrous ones we already have
[04:36] <RichEd> i haven't seen any heated issues in this channel yet :)
[04:36] <ogra> *desastrous
[04:36] <sbalneav_> Disasterous?
[04:36] <ogra> well, the installer needs to work, which it doesnt yet ... and i'm solwly running out of time
[04:37] <RichEd> disastrous i think
[04:37] <ogra> sbalneav_, thanks
[04:37] <ogra> yeah
[04:37] <sbalneav_> We'll get it right eventually :)
[04:37] <ogra> the question is *when is eventually*
[04:37] <ogra> i'm missing time to work on it
[04:37] <sbalneav_> So, what's you're rate of "running out of time"?  1s/s?
[04:37] <sbalneav_> :)
[04:37] <ogra> sbalneav_, some business things that have to go first
[04:37] <sbalneav_> ah
[04:38] <ogra> plus my server brakdown that will still cost me the rest of the day so i get to a minimal mail state here again
[04:38] <ogra> i got the major stuff switched over to gmail ... but not all yet
[04:43] <ogra> sbalneav_, did you try an ltsp-build-clien with the recent package ?
[04:44] <sbalneav_> Did one 2 days ago
[04:44] <sbalneav_> worked ok for me.
[04:44] <ogra> all fine ?
[04:44] <ogra> phew
[04:44] <ogra> at least that works :)
[04:44] <sbalneav_> lol
[04:44] <sbalneav_> I haven't done any fresh cd installs yet.
[04:45] <sbalneav_> Should I hold off for now?
[04:45] <ogra> you can try but there were no changes since beta progress gets stuck at 0% for 20min
[04:48] <ogra> bad thing is that fixing it is *extremely* time consuming
[04:49] <ogra> (you need to do a complete install to test every change ... )
[05:28] <New2this> hi
[05:28] <New2this> i have an edubuntu 7.10 problem
[05:29] <New2this> the dhcp server doesnt seem to be working ( clean install )
[05:29] <New2this> and becasue if that i cant get the LTSP to work either
[05:29] <New2this> i have no idea how to "fix" this broken beta ?
[05:30] <New2this> ...
[05:31] <ogra> New2this, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/udev/+bug/145382 ??
[05:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145382 in udev "[Gutsy]  broken 70-persistent-net.rules" [High,Confirmed] 
[05:31] <ogra> check /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[05:32] <ogra> if that has anything like ATTRS{address}=="" then its the same bug
[05:32] <New2this> that bugs page loads up blank for me
[05:32] <New2this> checking 70-persistant now
[05:32] <ogra> the bugpage looks fine here
[05:33] <New2this> this is a vista machine... probbly why it dont work lol
[05:33] <ogra> heh
[05:34] <sgonzalez> Hi.. I have fiesty set up as a terminal server. I occasionally have a user whose desktop comes up with no menus across the top and no items on their desktop. When that happens, I generally back up their files, then run rm -rf <user home directory> and they log in and get a new home. I have a user for whom this desktop issue is persisting, and in fact it remembers her desktop background. Any ideas why I can't seem to get rid of this problem?
[05:34] <New2this> found tyhe file
[05:34] <New2this> 70-persistent-net.rules
[05:34] <New2this> it has 9 entrys
[05:35] <New2this> ATTRS{address}=="" some eth0 some eth1
[05:35] <ogra> do you have 9 network cards ?
[05:35] <ogra> heh, yes
[05:35] <New2this> 2 2 cards
[05:35] <New2this> *2
[05:35] <ogra> fix that file and you should be fine
[05:35] <New2this> just delete the ARRT lines ?
[05:35] <New2this> *ATTR
[05:36] <ogra> i.e. remove all entries that have no MAC address in ATTRS{address}==""
[05:36] <ogra> and then ifx the remaining ones
[05:36] <New2this> ok...
[05:36] <New2this> the last 2 entries are correct
[05:36] <ogra> next reboot all should be fine
[05:36] <New2this> that have the addresses eth2 and 3
[05:37] <ogra> make them eth0 and eth1
[05:37] <ogra> on reboot udev will then do the right thing
[05:38] <New2this> ok cool
[05:38] <New2this> just gotta edit it in nano..
[05:40] <New2this> ok rebooting linux box
[05:43] <cliebow_> anyone care to help with an upgrade prob? associated with hal?
[05:43] <ogra> not sure there is a fix yet ...
[05:43] <ogra> the upgrade cant restart it, right ?
[05:44] <cliebow_> know n issue though?
[05:44] <cliebow_> restart dies at kernel log daemon
[05:44] <ogra> i saw a powermanager bug that was based on this one
[05:44] <ogra> well, thats not hal then but syslog
[05:45] <cliebow_> so i stated machine in what i had.... slax..and did a chroot..and dist-upgrade..that dies with hal..
[05:46] <ogra> ah
[05:46] <ogra> mounted roc in the chroot ?
[05:46] <ogra> *proc
[05:46] <ogra> hald will likely want to look at /proc/sys stuff
[05:46] <cliebow_> where should i go from here...
[05:46] <ogra> chrooting doesnt mount it :)
[05:47] <ogra> if you are in the chroot make sure /proc and /sys are mounted
[05:47] <cliebow_> seems not to..
[05:47] <cliebow_> ok..
[05:47] <ogra> make your upgrade ... and dont forget to unmount both before leaving the chroot
[05:47] <cliebow_> k
[05:48] <cliebow_> it is comtinuing on..maybe that satisfied it..
[05:52] <New2this> my dhcp still wont start :(
[05:52] <New2this> i can now stop it successfully
[05:52] <ogra> the interface is there now ?
[05:52] <New2this> but still comes up with a fail when i try to start it
[05:52] <ogra> check with "ifconfig -a"
[05:53] <New2this> both present and accounted for
[05:53] <New2this> neither have an ip address
[05:54] <New2this> before i edited the file, my want card would get an ip address and allow internet access
[05:54] <New2this> *wan
[05:55] <New2this> in the file i deleted all the spare ATTRS lines
[05:56] <New2this> now i have #pci device .. blagh blah
[05:56] <New2this> two times
[06:02] <ogra> yeah thats fine
[06:02] <ogra> check /etc/network/interfaces
[06:02] <ogra> it should at least ave an entry for th static ltsp device
[06:03] <ogra> probably they are the wrong way around now
[06:03] <ogra> (eth0 swapped with eth1)
[06:03] <New2this> ok checking
[06:09] <New2this> just waiting for computer to finish rebooting again
[06:11] <New2this> SUCCESS!!!!
[06:11] <New2this> MUWAHAHA!!!
[06:11] <ogra> good :)
[06:11] <New2this> Thank you!!
[06:12] <New2this> 12 computers now booting up via PXE
[06:12] <New2this> such a beautil thnig to see
[06:12] <New2this> :)
[06:12] <ogra> :)
[06:12] <ogra> there might be another bug with the login, but lets see
[06:13] <New2this> hmm
[06:13] <New2this> youre right
[06:13] <New2this> i cant login
[06:14] <New2this> work station isnt authorised
[06:14] <ogra> right
[06:14] <ogra> run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
[06:14] <ogra> and afterwards: sudo ltsp-update-image ....
[06:14] <ogra> have a coffee ....
[06:14] <ogra> reboot the clients if thats finished
[06:16] <New2this> lol u wernt joking about the coffee comment
[06:16] <ogra> nope :) it takes a moment
[06:17] <ogra> sorry that the keys are not proper is my fault ... will be fixed soon
[06:17] <New2this> thats not a problem
[06:17] <New2this> ubuntu is easier to use than suse
[06:17] <New2this> thats y im getting to grips, im migrating over :)
[06:17] <ogra> well, for impatient users it can be a prob :)
[06:18] <ogra> and its actually really a silly oversight ...
[06:18] <New2this> well you probbably have loooads of code to look at... matrix style lol
[06:18] <New2this> so easy to miss
[06:18] <New2this> :)
[06:19] <ogra> heh, its filed already as bug #145514 :)
[06:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145514 in ltsp "interface nonexistent in the installer for ssh key creation" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/145514
[06:19] <New2this> doh lol :)
[06:22] <New2this> Success!!!!
[06:22] <New2this> this is fantastic
[06:22] <ogra> :)
[06:22] <ogra> enjoy
[06:22] <New2this> i thank you wholeheartedly
[06:22] <New2this> now ive really got to get to work lol
[06:22] <New2this> heeh
[06:22] <ogra> well, thanks for using it :)
[06:22] <New2this> c you again mate :)
[06:23] <New2this> thanks!
[06:23] <ogra> i'm here :)
[07:15] <cliebow_> Hmmm.Still dies at :starting kernel log daemon
[07:27] <lns> has anyone used Mavis Beacon typing tutor under Edubuntu/LTSP?
[08:03] <LaserJock> ogra: something I can help with?
[08:03] <ogra> LaserJock, ?
[08:03] <ogra> you mean my mdke ping ?
[08:03] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:03] <ogra> just wanted to know about the status for the yelp frontpage fix
[08:03] <LaserJock> yeah
[08:04] <LaserJock> I talked to mdke about it
[08:04] <ogra> ok
[08:04] <LaserJock> and he didn't even remember us doing it in Feisty
[08:04] <ogra> hmm
[08:04] <LaserJock> he emailed Don Scrogie the Yelp dev
[08:04] <ogra> ok
[08:05] <ogra> i'm thinking about a fallback with a .desktop file on the system menu ...
[08:05] <LaserJock> because yelp's had some major changes mdke wasn't certain that we'd be able to do it
[08:05] <ogra> so the edubuntu handbook has its own entry
[08:05] <LaserJock> the first time around involved adding some logic (if the handbook is available, then display it)
[08:05] <LaserJock> and he was uncertain if he could do that with the new yelp
[08:06] <LaserJock> we'd need to patch gnome-panel for that
[08:06] <ogra> are you sure ?
[08:07] <LaserJock> yep, those menu items are hard-coded in
[08:07] <LaserJock> to get About Edubuntu I had to do it anyway
[08:07] <LaserJock> KDE is much easier when it comes to this kind of stuff
[08:08] <LaserJock> Gnome hasn't caught on that people might want to change things around easily ;-)
[08:10] <LaserJock> ogra: either  we patch gnome-panel or gnome-menus
[08:10] <ogra> hmm, right
[08:10] <ogra> even alacarte doesnt work
[08:11] <ogra> it doesnt even throw an error pfft
[08:11] <LaserJock> yeah, the About * and Help items are hard-coded in
[08:12] <LaserJock> we can give it a couple days and see if mdke's old patch will work
[08:12] <LaserJock> but I think you're idea is a good one
[08:12] <ogra> well, alacrate could be nice and tell you about it :) instead of just swallowing what i just did
[08:12] <Amaranth> eh?
[08:12] <ogra> it lets me create a laucher ...
[08:13] <ogra> but the launcher isnt added but just vanishes
[08:13] <ogra> Amaranth, if i edit the System menu
[08:13] <ogra> nothing important... would just be nice o tell the user that he cant create launchers there
[08:16] <LaserJock> btw, edubuntu-menus will cause some issues if people use it in Gutsy
[08:16] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what to do with it
[08:17] <LaserJock> I want to fix it up in Hardy for sure
[08:17] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure what to do for Gutsy
[08:17] <ogra> hmm
[08:18] <ogra> if people have it already installed ...
[08:18] <ogra> could get tricky
[08:18] <LaserJock> in Gutsy we're starting to use /etc/xdg/ for a lot more things besides menus
[08:19] <LaserJock> and I'm effectively diverting /etc/xdg/ to /usr/shar/edubuntu-menus
[08:20] <LaserJock> so the biggest thing I've heard of so far is that it takes > 1min for the logout dialog to show up when you go to quit/logout/hibernate
[08:20] <ogra> eek
[08:21] <LaserJock> so basically I'm not sure what to do that will allow for upgrades and not mess up the work I'd like to do in Hardy
[08:22] <LaserJock> I'm pretty sure my whole implementation is this way because Gnome doesn't properly handle XDG
[08:22] <ogra> what happens if you just take out the divert from the postinst
[08:22] <LaserJock> it's not an actual divert
[08:23] <LaserJock> I set XDG_CONFIG_DIRS to /usr/share/edubuntu-menu/
[08:23] <ogra> well, i mean make the package a no-op
[08:23] <LaserJock> when normally it goes to /etc/xdg/
[08:23] <ogra> and revert evil behavior for upgraders
[08:24] <LaserJock> well, so I can 1) disable all functionality and make the package useless for Gutsy
[08:24] <ogra> so just comenting the line that sets XDG_CONFIG_DIRS should work for both, no ?
[08:24] <ogra> whats 2 ?
[08:24] <LaserJock> do some symlinking
[08:25] <LaserJock> and try to get /usr/share/edubuntu-menus/ to be a copy of /etc/xdg/
[08:25] <ogra> hmm
[08:25] <LaserJock> the thing is all *I* want to mess around with is /etc/xdg/menus/
[08:25] <LaserJock> and that was fine because packages weren't putting anything else in /etc/xdg/
[08:26] <LaserJock> but now there's a lot more
[08:26] <nicetry> anyone know about "wine file" ?
[08:26] <ogra> yep
[08:26] <LaserJock> including the autostart stuff
[08:26] <nicetry> anyone know about "wine file" ?
[08:26] <ogra> the autostart dir was used in feisty as well
[08:26] <ogra> at least gnome-screensaver and nm used it
[08:27] <LaserJock> hmm
[08:27] <LaserJock> then it should've affected Feisty users as well :(
[08:27] <LaserJock> if we're lucky nobody actually uses edubuntu-menus ;-)
[08:28] <ogra> heh
[08:28] <ogra> there would be bugs if it were the case :)
[08:29] <LaserJock> I only found out because Ubuntu Studio is using it
[08:30] <ogra> edubuntu-menus ?
[08:30] <LaserJock> no, they created ubuntustudio-menus
[08:30] <LaserJock> but they used edubuntu-menus as a model
[08:30] <ogra> did they find a proper way ?
[08:31] <ogra> we could probably just steal theirs :)
[08:31] <LaserJock> no, they are trying to figure out what to do as well
[08:31] <ogra> ah
[08:31] <LaserJock> they've got a few ideas
[08:31] <LaserJock> so if we figure it out I guess I'll upload something
[08:37] <LaserJock> ogra: the solution that Ubuntu Studio is using is to use a dpkg-divert on the applications.menu file
[08:38] <LaserJock> we would have to dpkg-divert the whole /etc/xdg/menu/ directory
[08:38] <ogra> hmm
[08:44] <joebob777as7> ogra, any idea why my monitor will adjust fine for my server box and for my client it will not work properly? it's the right resolution but the screen is to the right about 20 pixels and the settings don't allow it to move enough...? does that make sense?
[08:46] <joebob777as7> also when i build client it will stop like this indefinately: http://www.filelime.com/upload/files/Screenshot-richardltsp_.png and if i hit enter a couple times it will do this: http://www.filelime.com/upload/files/Screenshot-richardltsp_-etc.png
[08:47] <ogra> LaserJock, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/handbook.png
[08:47] <ogra> joebob777as7, bug 144296 ... had no time for it yet
[08:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144296 in ltsp "ltsp-build-client fails at -- updating inetd.config" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144296
[08:49] <LaserJock> ogra: ohh, that's quite nice
[08:49] <ogra> quickly thrown together :)
[08:55] <joebob777as7> ok cool... any idea on the monitor issue?
[08:56] <joebob777as7> also if i want to install nvidia drivers for my clients i just chroot and install nvidia-glx-new?
[08:58] <ogra> and the restricted modules for i386 ... note that this will break GL on all non nvidia clients, nvidia replaces the GL libraries
[08:58] <ogra> (same goes for ati btw)
[09:00] <joebob777as7> ogra, this? linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-12-generic - Non-free Linux 2.6.22 modules on x86/x86_64
[09:00] <ogra> no
[09:00] <ogra> -386
[09:00] <joebob777as7> how do i make it use i386? or will it automatically when i chroot in?
[09:00] <ogra> just install the linux package in the chroot
[09:01] <ogra> that depends on the linux-restricted-modules package needed for the clients
[09:01] <ogra> hmm, or better the linux-386 package
[09:01] <ogra> ;)
[09:02] <joebob777as7> well they are all running the i386 image even though they are all 64 bit capable... i do this because i still want to be able for some to bring in their laptops...
[09:02] <joebob777as7> and they all have the same nvidia 9300gs card in them
[09:02] <ogra> then it should be fine
[09:03] <ogra> if you have a mixed setup with ati/nvidia/intel 3d cards i'd actually recommend three chroots for each HW ...
[09:03] <ogra> s/for/one for/
[09:04] <joebob777as7> well all the laptops will have intel hardware... is there a way to make them all boot a different image?
[09:04] <ogra> all the same model ?
[09:05] <joebob777as7> or should i run all of my 64 bit capable clients with the 7300gs cards on amd64 and the rest of the laptops on the i386?
[09:05] <joebob777as7> no different laptop models but all will have the intel chipset
[09:06] <ogra> well, if you have a fixed set of machines with nvidia and a variable one that might be intel i'd make a chroot for the nvidia clients and set up fixed dhcp rules for them
[09:07] <ogra> and leave all other (unknown) clients on a different chroot
[09:07] <joebob777as7> uhh... lol sorry how do i do that? is there a guide?
[09:07] <ogra> there are many dhcp howtos ...
[09:08] <joebob777as7> how do i make a certain set of clients boot off of one chroot and the other set boot off of another?
[09:08] <ogra> you want to have a fixed entry in your dhcpd.conf for every nvidia based client i guess ... you can assign that by mac address
[09:10] <ogra> in gutsy you give them a different "filename" directive which then has matching nbdport as boot parameter in the pxe settings ...
[09:10] <joebob777as7> so i move the directory and if i want to rebuild the image ever i can specify the directory?
[09:11] <joebob777as7> ok and which port to use will be read from the dhcpd.conf file for the mac address?
[09:11] <ogra> you just run ltsp-build-client --chroot nvidiaroot (or how ever you want to call that)
[09:11] <ogra> in the dhcpd.conf you use: filename "/ltsp/nvidiaroot/pxelinux ......
[09:12] <ogra> find all the mach adresses for the nvidia clients and make a host specific entry with that line for each of them :)
[09:12] <ogra> s/mach/MAC/
[09:13] <joebob777as7> ok i'll give it a go! thanks a ton!
[09:13] <ogra> best is to read up about the possibilities dhcpd.conf has
[09:13] <joebob777as7> ok i'll do that
[09:13] <joebob777as7> thanks again!
[09:13] <joebob777as7> keep up the great work!
[09:13] <ogra> :)
[10:59] <sbalneav_> ogra: Still awake?
[12:10] <Blats> hi all