| Tm_T | HRRRRRRR | 12:48 |
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| Tm_T | first Koffees from Ubuntu mug <3<3 | 12:48 |
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| Tm_T | <3 | 01:39 |
| === Tm_T has brand new, shiny xine 1.2 running | ||
| DaSkreech | waht about xserver 1.4 ? | 01:40 |
| Tm_T | havent seen it | 01:40 |
| === gnomefreak hopes this works | ||
| gnomefreak | xserver 1.3 not new enough for you? | 01:48 |
| === gnomefreak thinks that is version with bulletproofX | ||
| gnomefreak | how long am i looking at to build amarok? give or take | 02:11 |
| gnomefreak | only has one binary so maybe an hour or 2? | 02:12 |
| gnomefreak | well good reason it hasnt been pushed to buildds | 02:14 |
| gnomefreak | Riddell: amarok2 FTBFS using the source from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=&start=20 | 02:15 |
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| DaSkreech | Can't I pipe to rm ? | 03:42 |
| nosrednaekim | pipe to /dev/null | 03:44 |
| nosrednaekim | ;) | 03:44 |
| DaSkreech | Qt | 03:44 |
| nosrednaekim | what about it? | 03:44 |
| DaSkreech | That doesnt help in ridding myself of the disease that is the cursed file | 03:44 |
| DaSkreech | nosrednaekim: Short hand for Cute | 03:48 |
| DaSkreech | so I can't use locate to delete files :( | 03:48 |
| mluser-home | Is it possible to have knetworkmanager authenticate wifi networks without having to type the kwallet password? | 04:03 |
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| DaSkreech | don't use kwallet? | 04:31 |
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| Hobbsee | oh sigh. people, we've got enough stuff broken as it is, please dont break more of it. | 05:17 |
| === Jucato wished he had something to break :P | ||
| Hobbsee | oh good, it was a mid-update bug. | 05:19 |
| === DaSkreech gives Jucato libc6 | ||
| Jucato | :) | 05:20 |
| === Jucato finds the situation with vware-player a bit funny | ||
| === n8k99 hands Jucato cup of brown tea without any rice in it | ||
| Jucato | as long as it's T :) | 05:21 |
| DaSkreech | Whats the situation? | 05:26 |
| Jucato | "vmware-player-kernel-modules: Depends: vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.20-15 which is a virtual package" | 05:27 |
| Jucato | ... virtualbox-ose on the other hand, installs withouth the kernel modules it needs to run a VM.. but that has been reported I think... | 05:27 |
| Jucato | all when I needed a VM type app last night :( | 05:27 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: it tells you what command to run | 05:28 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: (and it's intentional at this point, iirc) | 05:28 |
| Jucato | which one? vmware or virtualbox? | 05:28 |
| Hobbsee | looks like v-p-k-m isnt used in later versions - or the entire package hsant been upgraded. | 05:28 |
| Hobbsee | virtualbox | 05:28 |
| Jucato | StevenK is working on a fix. basically it needs a virtualbox-ose-modules package | 05:29 |
| Jucato | bug 137599 | 05:29 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 137599 in virtualbox-ose "virtualbox should depend on virtualbox-source" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137599 | 05:29 |
| Jucato | although that bug title is a bit wrong... | 05:29 |
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| Hobbsee | ah yes | 05:36 |
| === Hobbsee doubts the virtualbox guys are terribly happy | ||
| Jucato | hehe it lead me to learn about setting up qemu+kqemu anyway. so all's good :) | 05:37 |
| Jucato | and discover QtEmu.. | 05:37 |
| Jucato | brrr.. cold monday morning | 05:37 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: commit-digest time :) | 05:38 |
| DaSkreech | Yeah I'm reading it already | 05:38 |
| DaSkreech | I just hugged dannya as well | 05:39 |
| === Jucato waits for dfaure to go online... | ||
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| DaSkreech | hi imbrandon | 06:07 |
| nixternal | wo0t | 06:12 |
| DaSkreech | t0ow! | 06:14 |
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| n8k99 | Jucato which textbook did you work through for C++? | 06:31 |
| Jucato | n8k99: Deitel's C++ How to Program 5th ed | 06:33 |
| n8k99 | thanks | 06:33 |
| Jucato | welcome :) | 06:33 |
| Jucato | finally chapter 11!! :) | 06:34 |
| n8k99 | oh? | 06:34 |
| Jucato | Operator Overloading :) | 06:34 |
| n8k99 | ooh fun | 06:34 |
| Jucato | not as fun as pointers were I bet :P | 06:35 |
| Jucato | const int *const ptrKnowledge = NULL; | 06:35 |
| n8k99 | don't really know about pointers- they didn't have them in java or python | 06:38 |
| Jucato | hm.. thought java had pointers though | 06:38 |
| n8k99 | not that i remember- which could have been my problem!! | 06:38 |
| Jucato | :) | 06:38 |
| Jucato | I've seen KDE use lots of pointers, so I'm really preparing myself for this one... | 06:39 |
| Jucato | although not heavy duty pointer stuff... | 06:39 |
| Hobbsee | ew, pointers. | 06:39 |
| === Hobbsee curses | ||
| Jucato | hehe :) | 06:39 |
| Hobbsee | if program segfaults, you're likely trying to do something with a pointer pointing to NULL. | 06:40 |
| n8k99 | hmm, interesting | 06:40 |
| Jucato | n8k99: I read that references in java are "a bit" similar to pointers in C and C++ | 06:41 |
| Jucato | but there are also such things as references in C++... so that could be confusing :) | 06:42 |
| n8k99 | well that would make sense- java does have C similar syntax (as far as I have heard) | 06:42 |
| Jucato | it should. afaik it was based on C a bit... | 06:42 |
| n8k99 | well, i am going to need C++ to work on KDE- and I'd really like to be able to do that | 06:42 |
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| Jucato | Qt Jambi not an option? | 06:44 |
| Jucato | hm.. haven't we had that discussion before? | 06:44 |
| Jucato | :P | 06:44 |
| n8k99 | yes we have discussed it before | 06:44 |
| n8k99 | i know i could also use PyQt to write things | 06:44 |
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| DaSkreech | Jucato: Ha ha I thought that was SCO | 07:12 |
| Jucato | DaSkreech: what was? | 07:12 |
| DaSkreech | Cahpter 11 | 07:13 |
| DaSkreech | bah | 07:13 |
| Jucato | ah lol | 07:13 |
| DaSkreech | chapter 11 | 07:13 |
| === DaSkreech never had that much problem with pointers | ||
| DaSkreech | Yes yes I know that means that I wasn't using them correctly | 07:13 |
| DaSkreech | Jucato: You have a target project? | 07:30 |
| Jucato | KDE | 07:30 |
| Jucato | :P | 07:30 |
| Jucato | nothing specific yet. probably small stuff here and there. Konqueror probably (although I hear its code is quite enormous) | 07:31 |
| DaSkreech | Really? | 07:32 |
| DaSkreech | I would have thought it would be small | 07:33 |
| Jucato | well, there's libkonq and then konq itself... the the kcontrol modules for konq... | 07:35 |
| === DaSkreech should look at Kscreensaver | ||
| === DaSkreech will bug aaron about it tomorrow | ||
| Jucato | might want to wait for a few days... he's going to be off for another work-related travel. unless of course you don't mind really bugging him :) | 07:36 |
| Hobbsee | er, any objectinos if i change the contact address of kubuntu-members to be kubuntu-devel@l.u.c? | 08:20 |
| Hobbsee | currently, it can be spamming all members | 08:20 |
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| DaSkreech | what about the other aaron in Plasma? | 08:27 |
| === Jucato doesn't know him sorry | ||
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| === Hobbsee wonders hwo to moderate the mail itself for kubuntu-devel | ||
| Hobbsee | oh, fricking launchpad data model. | 08:34 |
| Hobbsee | why do we even *have* kubuntu-beasties? | 08:36 |
| Jucato | what are those?!?! O.o | 08:40 |
| Hobbsee | it's a place we blackhole all the bugs to | 08:40 |
| Hobbsee | someoen else has registered kubuntu-bugs, for some reason. | 08:40 |
| Jucato | heh | 08:41 |
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| _StefanS_ | morning | 10:01 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: hey! | 10:01 |
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| Jucato | _StefanS_!! | 10:15 |
| Jucato | did Tonio_ tell you about the new kdmtheme version? | 10:16 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: well, no - but I saw it was out | 10:16 |
| Jucato | yeah upstream says the new version's much nicer to work with, so you might want to use that instead... however... | 10:16 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: I'm just wondering (which I wrote to him), that its not debianized, eg. not prompting that we're using /etc/kdm.d | 10:17 |
| _StefanS_ | Looks the same to me, and there was just made a change to make the kde devs happy | 10:17 |
| Jucato | it's 300+ lines vs 500+ :) | 10:17 |
| _StefanS_ | using a dir for populating the themes | 10:17 |
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| _StefanS_ | anyways, I will use it as a base | 10:17 |
| Jucato | w/c one is not debianized? | 10:18 |
| _StefanS_ | 1.2 | 10:18 |
| _StefanS_ | guess what, my girl just got even more teeth so I've been up the past nights :-/ | 10:18 |
| Jucato | oooh :( | 10:18 |
| _StefanS_ | only 8 to go... | 10:18 |
| _StefanS_ | :D | 10:18 |
| Jucato | hehe ;) | 10:18 |
| Jucato | wait.. more teech = :) | 10:18 |
| _StefanS_ | I will look at it today | 10:18 |
| Jucato | late up = :( | 10:18 |
| _StefanS_ | yeah.. | 10:19 |
| Jucato | btw, I don't think it's a Debian thing, reading /etc/default/kdm.d/... it's a Kubuntu-only thing afaik | 10:19 |
| _StefanS_ | I would like to get the get the bugfixed knm applet in gutsy | 10:19 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: nope, its debian. | 10:19 |
| Jucato | oooh. I thought it was only us | 10:19 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: the dialog that appears clearly state that | 10:19 |
| _StefanS_ | its a good idea, and all I was just wondering why it had disappeared. Guess the patch didn't fit | 10:20 |
| _StefanS_ | anyway, the knm applet bugfix is due this week or the next, can it make for gutsy you think ? I can memorize the schedules | 10:20 |
| _StefanS_ | can/cant | 10:20 |
| === Jucato checks | ||
| === Jucato doesn't understand the schedule... | ||
| Jucato | too bad Hobbsee's not here now :( | 10:22 |
| Jucato | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | 10:23 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: there's an updated knm applet due this week or the next, can it make it for gutsy? | 10:24 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: lets ask the oracle. | 10:24 |
| Jucato | :D | 10:24 |
| _StefanS_ | I'm considering another hardware giveaway on kubuntu-devel mailinglist | 10:25 |
| _StefanS_ | I need to get rid of this VIA EPIA thingy | 10:25 |
| === Jucato thinks he has finally met Santa Clause... | ||
| _StefanS_ | heh | 10:26 |
| _StefanS_ | I just dont have much space, and I dont like slow computers. | 10:26 |
| _StefanS_ | :D | 10:26 |
| Jucato | hahah | 10:26 |
| === Jucato hugs his 1.5GHz 1GB RAM computer... and gets electrocuted | ||
| _StefanS_ | hehe | 10:27 |
| _StefanS_ | slow stuff, wanna borrow my cellphone to dual-core it ? :) | 10:27 |
| Jucato | lol! | 10:27 |
| _StefanS_ | hey who maintains QtCurve ? | 10:28 |
| _StefanS_ | would be cool to up that to the latest 0.54 | 10:28 |
| _StefanS_ | (http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/show.php?content=40492) | 10:28 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: btw, I just tried openSuSe 10.3 yesterday.. I tell you, we're in good shape. :) | 10:29 |
| Jucato | oh? I'm waiting for the final release to try it :) | 10:29 |
| Jucato | not that I'm expecting to switch heheh | 10:30 |
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| _StefanS_ | Jucato: nah, alone yast and the packaging system | 10:30 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: make me stay away. | 10:30 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: does rpm-deltas ever work? :) | 10:30 |
| Jucato | hm.. yast as in the administration app or are you referring to the package management part only? | 10:31 |
| Jucato | coz yast is like the admin kcontrol. it isn't just the GUI package manager | 10:31 |
| _StefanS_ | yast + rpm = puke. | 10:31 |
| Jucato | hm.. ah I guess you're referring more to zypp | 10:31 |
| _StefanS_ | yes. The caching on top of rpm doesnt really aid the process that much. Breaks very easily | 10:32 |
| Jucato | hm.. brb.. need to get something to eat... | 10:32 |
| Jucato | I like yast btw, the app I mean | 10:32 |
| Jucato | the Yet Another Setup Tool. not anything related to package management | 10:33 |
| _StefanS_ | I know | 10:36 |
| _StefanS_ | been working with novell linux for a few years | 10:36 |
| _StefanS_ | its just broken. | 10:37 |
| _StefanS_ | anyways.. Its up to the people. | 10:37 |
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| danimo | Riddell: ping? | 11:51 |
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| jussi01 | Good afternoon. If there is one of the archive admins here, I would like to ask a quick question if you have time. | 12:10 |
| jussi01 | Ok, I will ask the question and if someone could pop me an email that would be wonderful. (jussi01 at gmail dot com) | 12:16 |
| jussi01 | I have a question, if I am packaging a program for inclusion (hardy), is it possible to include a non free binary backend? I have permission from the developers to distribute it | 12:16 |
| jussi01 | However, the developers have not given me which license it is under | 12:17 |
| Jucato | jussi01: just a guess. as long as it depends on a proprietary package/library/etc, it will be put in multiverse. but to be sure, ask in #ubuntu-motu | 12:20 |
| jussi01 | Jucato: I did ask there and was directed here.... | 12:20 |
| jussi01 | :) | 12:20 |
| === Jucato wonders why | ||
| jussi01 | I was told to ask the archive admins, and as some hang here and #ubuntu-devel it seems natural to me... | 12:21 |
| stdin | generally, if it's not under a free license, it goes in multiverse (also, canonical/ubuntu need permission to distribute, not just you) | 12:21 |
| jussi01 | Ok, sounds fine. Is the process for multiverse the same as universe? | 12:22 |
| jussi01 | Does -motu deal with multiverse also? | 12:23 |
| stdin | yeah, the MOTU maintain multiverse | 12:24 |
| Riddell | danimo: hi | 12:24 |
| jussi01 | ok. thanks stdin and Jucato. I will direct further questions at them :) | 12:25 |
| Riddell | jussi01: hi, I'm an archive admin | 12:25 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: Hi. | 12:25 |
| Riddell | jussi01: it could go in multiverse if there is permission to distribute it | 12:25 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: OK. Is an email from them enough permission? | 12:26 |
| Riddell | jussi01: if what they say is unambiguous it should be yes | 12:26 |
| jussi01 | Riddell: Excellent! thank you very much. | 12:26 |
| === jussi01 needs to go back to work. Thank you all. | ||
| danimo | Riddell: can we constraint strigidaemon somehow? | 12:30 |
| danimo | Riddell: it's a bit bad that it runs even when I'm on battery | 12:30 |
| Riddell | I suspect we'll end up not running strigiapplet (and thus the daemon) by default | 12:35 |
| Riddell | which makes me sad | 12:35 |
| Riddell | danimo: but please address your concerns to vandenoever | 12:35 |
| Riddell | since they're far more likely to be fixed that way | 12:36 |
| danimo | Riddell: true, but we need to make sure to not frustrate people | 12:45 |
| danimo | Riddell: as they were with The Novell Solution | 12:45 |
| danimo | Riddell: currently strigi is mostly something that eats up 90% CPU time almost any time I watch top | 12:46 |
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| larsivi | heya | 01:10 |
| larsivi | would someone with gutsy be so kind to test an svn connection for me? by private message? | 01:11 |
| Riddell | larsivi: could do | 01:11 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: sorry, didnt realise you were doing all the security fixes - nixternal took one days ago. | 02:22 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: how do you mean took one? | 02:29 |
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| Riddell | I just said I'd make sure they would be or have been done | 02:29 |
| Riddell | which is still on my todo | 02:29 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Got a moment for a /query? | 02:29 |
| Riddell | manchicken: ok | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: "took one"? | 02:30 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: that's what I just asked you! | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: nixternal only took the pre-beta CVE, which got uploaded post-beta | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: oh, i did say "took one". right. (head is hurting, brain's gone to hell, or something), as in, he's taken one of the patches, and got it uploaded. | 02:31 |
| === Hobbsee never saw you say that, nor saw you act to get the pre-beta CVE in, whihc is uploaded now. | ||
| Riddell | I've not acted on anything yet, although it's on my todo for today | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | i haven ttouched the other two - but i added keescook to kubuntu-members, so he can commit to bzr himself, and just poke us | 02:32 |
| Riddell | ah, groovy | 02:32 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: so because i did the last upload, i got poked over it. | 02:32 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: by kees? | 02:33 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 02:33 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: at 2.30am or so local time this morning, when i decided i really couldnt care less :P | 02:34 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: I told him on friday I would look into it, but I've been away this weekend so it's not happened yet | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | fair enough | 02:35 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt read all chatlogs and such. | ||
| Hobbsee | but go ahead and upload them, i dont have more bits. | 02:35 |
| Riddell | it was on a private channel I think (security things tend to be) | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | well, that explains then. | 02:37 |
| Riddell | doesn't explain why he poked you afterwards | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | because i'd done the last fix, and you werent here, i'd guess. *shrug*. | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | who knows. | 02:39 |
| === Hobbsee will not comment on the canonical irc server. | ||
| Hobbsee | Riddell: kdebluetooth is seriously broken in gutsy - we'd do better to take debian's, put our non-kubuntu patches back into that, and merge it. | 02:51 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: what CVE are you talking about? I did the KDM one last week | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: there are 3 more, which kees asked me about, and i've done nothing on yet | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | (and at this point, wont) | 03:02 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: can you e-mail that to tonio? | 03:03 |
| nixternal | all of the KDM ones have been uploaded, so there must be another CVE then | 03:03 |
| Riddell | nixternal: various ones including that one | 03:03 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: email what to tonio? | 03:05 |
| nixternal | bug 141378 is the KDM autologin one that I fixed, and it is fixed released for all releases | 03:05 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 141378 in kdebase "[Security] KDM Password-less login vulnerability" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141378 | 03:05 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: bugs #140707 and #146870 | 03:06 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 140707 in qt-x11-free "[Qt 3, Qt 4] Potential vulnerability in QUtf8Decoder" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/140707 | 03:06 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 146870 in kdelibs "konqueror URL bar spoofing" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146870 | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | are the new ones | 03:06 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: about bluetooth not working | 03:06 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 03:07 |
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| nixternal | ahhh, ya I did see them both actually | 03:13 |
| Riddell | nixternal: I forwarded your e-mail, you should be subscribed to the dot-editors list soon | 03:14 |
| Riddell | nixternal: if you want to prove your editorship credentials I have a small task that could be done | 03:15 |
| allee | Hobbsee, Riddell : kbluetooth: AFAIK currently debian takes what kubuntu has. (at least until one week back) | 03:16 |
| Hobbsee | allee: some of our patches are wrong. even with that one fixed, ti's not working very well | 03:17 |
| === allee is sad that there's not time to work on it himself :( | ||
| Hobbsee | allee: as for why we're maintaining blocks separately regardless, i've no idea | 03:17 |
| allee | Hobbsee: kbt: debian is in merge only back mode only ;) | 03:18 |
| Hobbsee | allee: oh, hmmm | 03:19 |
| nixternal | Riddell: shoot it my way | 03:19 |
| === allee back to find 10 disk that the raid 'lost' tonight | ||
| === nixternal heads to class...back in a bit | ||
| Riddell | nixternal: submit the canary islands fridge article to the dot | 03:25 |
| Riddell | as a 1 paragaph pointer to the fridge article | 03:25 |
| Riddell | which usually goes along the lines of "fridge is reporting foo. it says bar and concludes with thing" | 03:25 |
| Riddell | expanded out to a paragraph | 03:26 |
| Riddell | oh and being Dot News is has to be given a KDE spin, so highlight aaron's talk and the use of KDE in canary island schools | 03:26 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 04:17 |
| Jucato | hi bddebian | 04:17 |
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| bddebian | Hi Jucato | 04:18 |
| n8k99 | hi | 04:32 |
| Jucato | hello n8k99 | 04:32 |
| n8k99 | how goes it Jucato? | 04:34 |
| Jucato | sleepy :) | 04:34 |
| n8k99 | he | 04:34 |
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| Riddell | mhb: rosetta existed before pootle | 06:53 |
| Riddell | (otherwise your blog is mostly accurate) | 06:53 |
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| stdin | Riddell: on shipit it currently states "ShipIt is currently closed while we prepare for the Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) release. We'll be back in a few days." surely that should say for gutsy | 06:55 |
| glatzor | evening Riddell. | 06:57 |
| glatzor | Riddell: could you please once again upload a version guidance? I applied the no-dualhead-on-ati patch upstream, fixed some crashers and disabled dualhead for intel too. Sadly | 06:58 |
| Riddell | stdin: right you are, I wonder who's incharge of that | 07:00 |
| stdin | dunnow, but I assumed you would know more than I | 07:01 |
| Riddell | I'll pass it on | 07:01 |
| Riddell | glatzor: added to my todo | 07:01 |
| glatzor | Riddell: thanks a lot | 07:01 |
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| fritsch | allee: you are the maintainer of kdebluetooth? | 08:34 |
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| mhb | Riddell: really? Thanks for the clarifications. | 08:47 |
| allee | fritsch: together with others, yes. But lately I had zero time for it. | 09:00 |
| fritsch | allee: i made some debugging yesterday, it seems heavily broken | 09:01 |
| fritsch | allee: i have some good news though. debian unstable released a 1.0~beta8-1 package, this one makes finally makes file transfairs working for me | 09:02 |
| fritsch | allee: as svn version did, but not our kubuntu version | 09:03 |
| fritsch | allee: perhaps merging from debian and looking for showstopper kubuntu patches could solve this? | 09:03 |
| allee | fritsch: Hobbsee mentioned something similar today | 09:07 |
| fritsch | allee: i tried building a new svn version with "our" patches and after that, svn version stopped working file transfairs, too - though it build well | 09:08 |
| allee | fritsch: unfortunately neither stefan nor tonio are here. I've right now no time. I'm fighting with 10 lost disk and 10TB of lost storage :( :( | 09:08 |
| fritsch | allee: all the best | 09:08 |
| allee | fritsch: thx. I'll need it | 09:09 |
| fritsch | allee: max planck would turn over in his grave :-) | 09:10 |
| fritsch | allee: you are some postcodes too far away, so sorry i cannot come over and help | 09:10 |
| allee | fritsch: maybe start with what's is in debian and add kubuntu patches | 09:10 |
| fritsch | allee: i see what they have | 09:10 |
| allee | fritsch: I've put a hat over the head max planck statue next to the computer room | 09:11 |
| allee | fritsch: where do you life in germany? | 09:12 |
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| fritsch | allee: Karlsruhe ;-) | 09:12 |
| allee | fritsch: ah, right. | 09:12 |
| allee | fritsch: heh, looks like that were the (soccer) action is right now :) | 09:13 |
| fritsch | allee: hehe :-) bayern kicked us | 09:14 |
| fritsch | allee: all patches applied, but not the autostart patch, i think they fixed this upstream ... | 09:18 |
| fritsch | allee: package working (as far as file transfair is considered) | 09:24 |
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| nixternal | Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39291/ | 09:38 |
| Riddell | nixternal: perfect, please submit to the dot through the contribute link | 09:42 |
| Riddell | well, I might drop the "Truth of the fact" bit, sounds a bit American :) | 09:43 |
| nixternal | is it? heh, my grandpa always said that | 09:44 |
| nixternal | and he was a true Swede, a mean one too :) | 09:44 |
| === ScottK gets a bit uneasy about the words Launchpad and Free Software being right next to each other, but it's not wrong as written. | ||
| nixternal | heh | 09:45 |
| Riddell | ScottK: where's that? | 09:45 |
| nixternal | Riddell: what should I replace the "truth of the fact" with in order for it not to sound to american? | 09:47 |
| nixternal | remember, I am american, well at least sometimes...sometimes I think I am mexican, but only when in Mexico :) | 09:47 |
| ScottK | Riddell: In the KDE takes over the Azores thing on Planet. | 09:47 |
| ScottK | err Fridge | 09:47 |
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| ScottK | "... described the Launchpad Free Software project hosting platform" | 09:48 |
| Riddell | nixternal: "Truth of the fact is that KDE is taking over the Canary Islands" -> "KDE is being installed on all the school computers in the Canary Islands by... | 09:49 |
| nixternal | ooh, I missed that | 09:49 |
| Riddell | me too :) | 09:50 |
| nixternal | gotcha | 09:50 |
| nixternal | should be "Launchpad's Free Software Project hosting platform" maybe? | 09:50 |
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| Riddell | that wouldn't help | 09:51 |
| nixternal | ... described Free Software project hosting on Ubuntu's Launchpad :) | 09:52 |
| Riddell | would work | 09:52 |
| nixternal | at least a little closer | 09:52 |
| nixternal | I am giving a KDE 4 talk on Saturday at the University of Illinois...is there a good presentation out there I could borrow from? | 09:53 |
| Riddell | aseigo has one but I don't know if he makes it generally available | 09:53 |
| nixternal | I have one I created as well for a talk I gave at another campus in Chicago a couple of months ago | 09:53 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Except it's Canonical's Launchpad, not Ubuntu's. Other than that, I think that's much better. | 09:53 |
| Riddell | good point | 09:54 |
| nixternal | ya, I thought about that after I pressed enter | 09:54 |
| hunger | Anyone having trouble with kmail and pop with TLS encryption? | 10:04 |
| hunger | I can not get my mail since I reinstalled using gutsy/beta of kubuntu:-( | 10:05 |
| ScottK | hunger: What's the error? | 10:06 |
| Riddell | hmm, no Lure | 10:06 |
| Riddell | hunger: Lure's the man keeping an eye on kdepim | 10:06 |
| hunger | ScottK: There is none. Just a popup claiming that my server does not support TLS. | 10:06 |
| hunger | ScottK: Which it did for the last couple of years and still does afaik. | 10:06 |
| ScottK | Right. | 10:07 |
| Riddell | hunger: you can try newer builds from deb calvin2 | 10:07 |
| ScottK | If you could get a wireshark data capture for whichever port you connect over, that could help narrow it down. | 10:08 |
| Riddell | deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/lure/ubuntu gutsy main | 10:08 |
| Riddell | rather | 10:08 |
| hunger | Hmmm. sending mail has the same problem... No more TLS. | 10:09 |
| ScottK | hunger: That I can test. | 10:09 |
| === hunger has not yet seen the test results for the version on lure's server;-) | ||
| ScottK | hunger: Using the current Kmail version in the Gutsy repo, sending with TLS works. Oct 1 20:11:44 mailout00 postfix/smtpd[20388] : TLS connection established from static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net[72.81.252.22] : TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits) | 10:13 |
| hunger | ScottK: I am just installing wireshark. | 10:13 |
| fdoving | hunger: current kmail in gutsy works with both TLS and SSL for me too. | 10:13 |
| hunger | I knew that I had missed some important debs when installing on sunday:-) | 10:14 |
| hunger | Maybe I should ring up my ISP then... | 10:14 |
| hunger | KMail sends CAPA and gets a list of capabilities back. | 10:18 |
| hunger | Then it sends AUTH to the POP server and that replies with "-ERR Invalid command.". | 10:18 |
| === hunger wonders whether that is normal. | ||
| ScottK | hunger: Was AUTH on the list of capabilities? | 10:20 |
| ScottK | hunger: Try it with sending. I'm more familiar with SMTP commands. | 10:21 |
| hunger | Nope. | 10:21 |
| hunger | sending fails when STARTTLS is send... Looks like my ISP has hosed something. | 10:22 |
| ScottK | hunger: If you want to pastebin that one, I can probably tell you exactly what they hosed. | 10:22 |
| Riddell | nixternal: are you going to submit that? | 10:24 |
| === hunger shrugs. I wonder why stuff like that always happens when I reinstall my boxes. | ||
| nixternal | Riddell: will do that now | 10:37 |
| hunger | ScottK: Thanks for the offer. I rang up my ISP, let's see whether he will fix it tonight. | 10:39 |
| ScottK | OK | 10:39 |
| nixternal | Riddell: posted | 10:43 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I double posted..the first post had my name as "nixternal" and not "Richard Johnson", so if you can nix the first that would rock! | 10:45 |
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| mhb | wow, brightness changing works lovely in Gutsy | 11:18 |
| mhb | does anyone have an idea why brightness can be changed in guidance-pm, but not through shortcuts? | 11:19 |
| Riddell | mhb: it just hasn't been added to kmilo | 11:22 |
| Riddell | it wouldn't be hard to do | 11:22 |
| Riddell | well, it would need something to act on actually, which would be non-trivial | 11:22 |
| mhb | Riddell: hmm, non-trivial - not for me. | 11:27 |
| mhb | I have already heard people talk about this strange cross-shaped cursor at startup, is that fixed yet? | 11:28 |
| mhb | sorry if I am asking too much | 11:28 |
| Riddell | can't say it's on my radar | 11:30 |
| mhb | nixternal had it on his radar, AFAIK | 11:34 |
| mhb | nixternal: you did spot the "goofy mouse icon at startup" bug? Did you solve it or triage it? | 11:34 |
| mhb | nixternal: can I help with it somehow? | 11:35 |
| nixternal | not on my radar...it is a boog with kblue in a python script in /usr/bin...there is an import foo line prior to the #! /usr/bin/python line | 11:35 |
| nixternal | fritsch: you created a patch didn't you? | 11:35 |
| nixternal | that would be fritsch's baby, he is the one who tracked it down I believe | 11:35 |
| fritsch | nixternal: i talked with allee and hobsee | 11:35 |
| nixternal | import is an imagemagick command to take a screenshot...if you look in your ~/ you will see a file called command, that is the screenshot it is taking | 11:36 |
| fritsch | nixternal: i think taking the debian unstable version and merging our patches is the best way | 11:36 |
| fritsch | nixternal: our package is just "badly broken" | 11:36 |
| nixternal | /usr/bin/kblueplugd is where the issue is | 11:36 |
| fritsch | nixternal: i took debian sources, applied our kubuntu patches (without the autostart one) and it is working | 11:37 |
| fritsch | nixternal: no this is NOT the issue | 11:37 |
| fritsch | nixternal: this fixes kdeblueplugd start, but file transfer does not work | 11:37 |
| nixternal | well, I am referring to the + mouse cursor at startup | 11:37 |
| fritsch | nixternal: svn is working, debian unstable version is working (recompiled on my box) | 11:37 |
| nixternal | the rest of kblue* I have no clue about..I don't even have a bluetooth device in my house :) | 11:38 |
| fritsch | nixternal: okay, if thyx merge from debian kblueplugd is fixed | 11:38 |
| fritsch | nixternal: kblueplugd is "okay" there | 11:38 |
| allee | nixternal: what the prob with kblueplugd? | 11:46 |
| fritsch | allee: look at /usr/bin/kblueplugd | 11:47 |
| allee | nixternal: uaargagall. What that garbage at the begin of kblueplugd. Shudder | 11:47 |
| fritsch | allee: :-) | 11:47 |
| allee | fritsch: I did. Not from me :) | 11:47 |
| nixternal | hehe | 11:47 |
| === allee wonders how rotatelogs is related to kbt at all | ||
| fritsch | allee: i propose debian unstable packages + kubuntu patches - "kubuntu autostart patch (does not apply, seems applied)" | 11:48 |
| allee | fritsch: btw. what this autostart problem you mentioned? | 11:48 |
| allee | fritsch: where's you modified source? | 11:49 |
| fritsch | allee: i just took the debian orig.tar.gz their diff | 11:49 |
| fritsch | allee: copied over the kubuntu patches and made a package | 11:49 |
| fritsch | allee: just had to left out the kubuntu_06_no_autostart patch | 11:50 |
| fritsch | this is not like pros do this - but i just search for an easy way to get everything work (at least for me) | 11:51 |
| allee | fritsch: he, this is necessary. kbluetooth.autostart.desktop start kblueooth regardless if a bt adapter is available or not | 11:51 |
| fritsch | allee: mmh, mine startet without adapter present | 11:52 |
| allee | fritsch: please remove kbluetooth.autostart.desktop from /usr/share/autostart/kbluetooth.autostart.desktop, remove the crap at the start of kblueplugd and retry | 11:53 |
| fritsch | allee: with the original kubuntu package? | 11:53 |
| fritsch | allee: i removed the grab yesterday, but something other is broken | 11:54 |
| allee | fritsch: yes, that the 'problem'. without adapter there should be now kblueooth running. When plugged in kbt should be started | 11:54 |
| fritsch | allee: mmh, after fixing kblueplugd - it started | 11:54 |
| fritsch | allee: but, there are "functional" problems with our version | 11:54 |
| allee | fritsch: tell me about it | 11:55 |
| fritsch | allee: there are a lot of bugs, many tell about file transfer | 11:55 |
| fritsch | allee: you cannot receive a file from your phone | 11:55 |
| fritsch | allee: svn version works, debian unstable version works, too | 11:55 |
| fritsch | allee: so, i think our version got something wrong? | 11:55 |
| fritsch | allee: perhaps it is in the codebase, or a "half faulty" svn checkout :-) | 11:56 |
| allee | fritsch: that would be really strange if it kblueplugd fault. As kblueplud only starts kbt when a bt adapter in pluged in and stop when last adapter is removed. | 11:56 |
| allee | fritsch: ^^ that's all it does. | 11:56 |
| fritsch | allee: yes, mmh, sorry for my english :-) what i want to say | 11:56 |
| fritsch | allee: this is not an error in kblueplugd only :-) | 11:56 |
| fritsch | allee: there is one (import ... x = ) ... but this is not all of kdebluetooth problem in kubuntu | 11:57 |
| fritsch | allee: filetransfer is broken in kubuntu bluetooth sind beta3 or even earlier | 11:57 |
| fritsch | allee: i get you the bug report, mom | 11:57 |
| fritsch | allee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebluetooth/+bug/146145 | 11:58 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 146145 in kdebluetooth "Can't recive files from cell phone" [Undecided,In progress] | 11:58 |
| fritsch | allee: there are two bugs "in one" ... kblueplugd and "functional problems" | 11:59 |
| manchicken | allee: Wuat's going on? | 12:05 |
| manchicken | what's* | 12:05 |
| allee | kubuntu: one can't sind files via bt to kubuntu | 12:07 |
| === allee never uses this (yet) | ||
| allee | ConfirmationDlgBase::setProperty( "sizeGripEnabled", value ) failed: property invalid, read-only or does not exist | 12:08 |
| fritsch | allee: seen this before ;-) | 12:08 |
| allee | fritsch: yeah, but this happens before I confirm that I accept the push :( | 12:09 |
| fritsch | allee: yes, push goes nowhere AND my nokia 6300 dies - you have to hard power off | 12:10 |
| allee | fritsch: receiving files works with debian version + kubuntu patches (- 06 autostart patch) right? | 12:10 |
| allee | ^^ for you | 12:10 |
| fritsch | allee: yes this works for me | 12:10 |
| fritsch | allee: you want to test the "deb" packages? | 12:10 |
| fritsch | allee: i just dropped the 06 patch, because it did not apply :-) | 12:10 |
| allee | fritsch: not the deb. Point me to your .diff.gz. I've the debian tarball already | 12:11 |
| fritsch | allee: use the debian giff.gz and copy in the kubuntu patches ;-) | 12:11 |
| allee | fritsch: okay | 12:11 |
| fritsch | allee: i did it this way, if you get the 06 patch to apply - i ll test them | 12:12 |
| allee | fritsch: 06 is equivalent to: rm /usr/share/autostart/kbluetooth.autostart.desktop | 12:20 |
| allee | feel free to test this ;) | 12:20 |
| fritsch | i dont like rm - it is evil, i test your package, when it is coming out | 12:21 |
| allee | better: mv /usr/share/autostart/kbluetooth.autostart.desktop{,.away} # :) | 12:21 |
| allee | mhmm, patch applies nicely with patch -p1 to debian and kubuntu tarball ... | 12:26 |
| allee | kubuntu_06* | 12:26 |
| fritsch | allee: dpkg-buildpackage throwed an error for me with kubuntu_06, but if it works - cool | 12:27 |
| allee | fritsch: hmm, lemme build it 2 times. Maybe that's the problem ... | 12:29 |
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| allee | fritsch: no. Debian has the same patch as 04_no_autostart.patch | 12:34 |
| fritsch | allee: oki, so leaving it out would be no problem | 12:35 |
| allee | yes | 12:35 |
| fritsch | allee: btw. could you recover your 10 TB? | 12:36 |
| allee | fritsch: I don't touch the raid. I sent Sun the debug infos. Let's see what they suggest | 12:37 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: you're famous | 12:39 |
| Riddell | as a published author on the Dot | 12:39 |
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