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DaSkreechwaht about xserver 1.4 ?01:40
Tm_Thavent seen it01:40
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gnomefreakxserver 1.3 not new enough for you?01:48
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gnomefreakhow long am i looking at to build amarok? give or take02:11
gnomefreakonly has one binary so maybe an hour or 2?02:12
gnomefreakwell good reason it hasnt been pushed to buildds02:14
gnomefreakRiddell: amarok2 FTBFS using the source from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=&start=2002:15
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DaSkreechCan't I pipe to rm ?03:42
nosrednaekimpipe to /dev/null03:44
nosrednaekimwhat about it?03:44
DaSkreechThat doesnt help in ridding myself of the disease that is the cursed file03:44
DaSkreechnosrednaekim: Short hand for Cute03:48
DaSkreechso I can't use locate to delete files :(03:48
mluser-homeIs it possible to have knetworkmanager authenticate wifi networks without having to type the kwallet password?04:03
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DaSkreechdon't use kwallet?04:31
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Hobbseeoh sigh.  people, we've got enough stuff broken as it is, please dont break more of it.05:17
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Hobbseeoh good, it was a mid-update bug.05:19
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Jucatoas long as it's T :)05:21
DaSkreechWhats the situation?05:26
Jucato"vmware-player-kernel-modules: Depends: vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.20-15 which is a virtual package"05:27
Jucato... virtualbox-ose on the other hand, installs withouth the kernel modules it needs to run a VM.. but that has been reported I think...05:27
Jucatoall when I needed a VM type app last night :(05:27
HobbseeJucato: it tells you what command to run05:28
HobbseeJucato: (and it's intentional at this point, iirc)05:28
Jucatowhich one? vmware or virtualbox?05:28
Hobbseelooks like v-p-k-m isnt used in later versions - or the entire package hsant been upgraded.05:28
JucatoStevenK is working on a fix. basically it needs a virtualbox-ose-modules package05:29
Jucatobug 13759905:29
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137599 in virtualbox-ose "virtualbox should depend on virtualbox-source" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13759905:29
Jucatoalthough that bug title is a bit wrong...05:29
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Hobbseeah yes05:36
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Jucatohehe it lead me to learn about setting up qemu+kqemu anyway. so all's good :)05:37
Jucatoand discover QtEmu..05:37
Jucatobrrr.. cold monday morning05:37
JucatoDaSkreech: commit-digest time :)05:38
DaSkreechYeah I'm reading it already05:38
DaSkreechI just hugged dannya as well05:39
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DaSkreechhi imbrandon06:07
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n8k99Jucato which textbook did you work through for C++?06:31
Jucaton8k99: Deitel's C++ How to Program 5th ed06:33
Jucatowelcome :)06:33
Jucatofinally chapter 11!! :)06:34
JucatoOperator Overloading :)06:34
n8k99ooh fun06:34
Jucatonot as fun as pointers were I bet :P06:35
Jucatoconst int *const ptrKnowledge = NULL;06:35
n8k99don't really know about pointers- they didn't have them in java or python06:38
Jucatohm.. thought java had pointers though06:38
n8k99not that i remember- which could have been my problem!!06:38
JucatoI've seen KDE use lots of pointers, so I'm really preparing myself for this one...06:39
Jucatoalthough not heavy duty pointer stuff...06:39
Hobbseeew, pointers.06:39
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Jucatohehe :)06:39
Hobbseeif program segfaults, you're likely trying to do something with a pointer pointing to NULL.06:40
n8k99hmm, interesting06:40
Jucaton8k99: I read that references in java are "a bit" similar to pointers in C and C++06:41
Jucatobut there are also such things as references in C++... so that could be confusing :)06:42
n8k99well that would make sense- java does have C similar syntax (as far as I have heard)06:42
Jucatoit should. afaik it was based on C a bit...06:42
n8k99well, i am going to need C++ to work on KDE- and I'd really like to be able to do that06:42
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JucatoQt Jambi not an option?06:44
Jucatohm.. haven't we had that discussion before?06:44
Jucato :P06:44
n8k99yes we have discussed it before06:44
n8k99i know i could also use PyQt to write things06:44
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DaSkreechJucato: Ha ha I thought that was SCO07:12
JucatoDaSkreech: what was?07:12
DaSkreechCahpter 1107:13
Jucatoah lol07:13
DaSkreech chapter 1107:13
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DaSkreechYes yes I know that means that I wasn't using them correctly07:13
DaSkreechJucato: You have a target project?07:30
Jucatonothing specific yet. probably small stuff here and there. Konqueror probably (although I hear its code is quite enormous)07:31
DaSkreechI would have thought it would be small07:33
Jucatowell, there's libkonq and then konq itself... the the kcontrol modules for konq...07:35
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=== DaSkreech will bug aaron about it tomorrow
Jucatomight want to wait for a few days... he's going to be off for another work-related travel. unless of course you don't mind really bugging him :)07:36
Hobbseeer, any objectinos if i change the contact address of kubuntu-members to be kubuntu-devel@l.u.c?08:20
Hobbseecurrently, it can be spamming all members08:20
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DaSkreechwhat about the other aaron in Plasma?08:27
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Hobbseeoh, fricking launchpad data model.08:34
Hobbseewhy do we even *have* kubuntu-beasties?08:36
Jucatowhat are those?!?! O.o08:40
Hobbseeit's a place we blackhole all the bugs to08:40
Hobbseesomeoen else has registered kubuntu-bugs, for some reason.08:40
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_StefanS_Jucato: hey!10:01
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Jucatodid Tonio_ tell you about the new kdmtheme version?10:16
_StefanS_Jucato: well, no - but I saw it was out10:16
Jucatoyeah upstream says the new version's much nicer to work with, so you might want to use that instead... however...10:16
_StefanS_Jucato: I'm just wondering (which I wrote to him), that its not debianized, eg. not prompting that we're using /etc/kdm.d10:17
_StefanS_Looks the same to me, and there was just made a change to make the kde devs happy10:17
Jucatoit's 300+ lines vs 500+ :)10:17
_StefanS_using a dir for populating the themes10:17
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_StefanS_anyways, I will use it as a base10:17
Jucatow/c one is not debianized?10:18
_StefanS_guess what, my girl just got even more teeth so I've been up the past nights :-/10:18
Jucatooooh :(10:18
_StefanS_only 8 to go...10:18
Jucatohehe ;)10:18
Jucatowait.. more teech = :)10:18
_StefanS_I will look at it today10:18
Jucatolate up = :(10:18
Jucatobtw, I don't think it's a Debian thing, reading /etc/default/kdm.d/... it's a Kubuntu-only thing afaik10:19
_StefanS_I would like to get the get the bugfixed knm applet in gutsy10:19
_StefanS_Jucato: nope, its debian.10:19
Jucatooooh. I thought it was only us10:19
_StefanS_Jucato: the dialog that appears clearly state that10:19
_StefanS_its a good idea, and all I was just wondering why it had disappeared. Guess the patch didn't fit10:20
_StefanS_anyway, the knm applet bugfix is due this week or the next, can it make for gutsy you think ? I can memorize the schedules10:20
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Jucatotoo bad Hobbsee's not here now :(10:22
_StefanS_Riddell: there's an updated knm applet due this week or the next, can it make it for gutsy?10:24
_StefanS_Jucato: lets ask the oracle.10:24
_StefanS_I'm considering another hardware giveaway on kubuntu-devel mailinglist10:25
_StefanS_I need to get rid of this VIA EPIA thingy10:25
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_StefanS_I just dont have much space, and I dont like slow computers.10:26
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_StefanS_slow stuff, wanna borrow my cellphone to dual-core it ? :)10:27
_StefanS_hey who maintains QtCurve ?10:28
_StefanS_would be cool to up that to the latest 0.5410:28
_StefanS_Jucato: btw, I just tried openSuSe 10.3 yesterday.. I tell you, we're in good shape. :)10:29
Jucatooh? I'm waiting for the final release to try it :)10:29
Jucatonot that I'm expecting to switch heheh10:30
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_StefanS_Jucato: nah, alone yast and the packaging system10:30
_StefanS_Jucato: make me stay away.10:30
_StefanS_Jucato: does rpm-deltas ever work? :)10:30
Jucatohm.. yast as in the administration app or are you referring to the package management part only?10:31
Jucatocoz yast is like the admin kcontrol. it isn't just the GUI package manager10:31
_StefanS_yast + rpm = puke.10:31
Jucatohm.. ah I guess you're referring more to zypp10:31
_StefanS_yes. The caching on top of rpm doesnt really aid the process that much. Breaks very easily10:32
Jucatohm.. brb.. need to get something to eat...10:32
JucatoI like yast btw, the app I mean10:32
Jucatothe Yet Another Setup Tool. not anything related to package management10:33
_StefanS_I know10:36
_StefanS_been working with novell linux for a few years10:36
_StefanS_its just broken.10:37
_StefanS_anyways.. Its up to the people.10:37
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danimoRiddell: ping?11:51
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jussi01Good afternoon. If there is one of the archive admins here, I would like to ask a quick question if you have time.12:10
jussi01Ok, I will ask the question and if someone could pop me an email that would be wonderful. (jussi01 at gmail dot com)12:16
jussi01I have a question, if I am packaging a program for inclusion (hardy), is it possible to include a non free binary backend? I have permission from the developers to distribute it12:16
jussi01However, the developers have not given me which license it is under12:17
Jucatojussi01: just a guess. as long as it depends on a proprietary package/library/etc, it will be put in multiverse. but to be sure, ask in #ubuntu-motu12:20
jussi01Jucato: I did ask there and was directed here....12:20
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jussi01I was told to ask the archive admins, and as some hang here and #ubuntu-devel it seems natural to me...12:21
stdingenerally, if it's not under a free license, it goes in multiverse  (also, canonical/ubuntu need permission to distribute, not just you)12:21
jussi01Ok, sounds fine. Is the process for multiverse the same as universe?12:22
jussi01Does -motu deal with multiverse also?12:23
stdinyeah, the MOTU maintain multiverse12:24
Riddelldanimo: hi12:24
jussi01ok. thanks stdin and Jucato. I will direct further questions at them :)12:25
Riddelljussi01: hi, I'm an archive admin12:25
jussi01Riddell: Hi.12:25
Riddelljussi01: it could go in multiverse if there is permission to distribute it12:25
jussi01Riddell: OK. Is an email from them enough permission?12:26
Riddelljussi01: if what they say is unambiguous it should be yes12:26
jussi01Riddell: Excellent! thank you very much.12:26
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danimoRiddell: can we constraint strigidaemon somehow?12:30
danimoRiddell: it's a bit bad that it runs even when I'm on battery12:30
RiddellI suspect we'll end up not running strigiapplet (and thus the daemon) by default12:35
Riddellwhich makes me sad12:35
Riddelldanimo: but please address your concerns to vandenoever12:35
Riddellsince they're far more likely to be fixed that way12:36
danimoRiddell: true, but we need to make sure to not frustrate people12:45
danimoRiddell: as they were with The Novell Solution12:45
danimoRiddell: currently strigi is mostly something that eats up 90% CPU time almost any time I watch top12:46
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larsiviwould someone with gutsy be so kind to test an svn connection for me? by private message?01:11
Riddelllarsivi: could do01:11
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HobbseeRiddell: sorry, didnt realise you were doing all the security fixes - nixternal took one days ago.02:22
RiddellHobbsee: how do you mean took one?02:29
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RiddellI just said I'd make sure they would be or have been done02:29
Riddellwhich is still on my todo02:29
manchickenRiddell: Got a moment for a /query?02:29
Riddellmanchicken: ok02:30
HobbseeRiddell: "took one"?02:30
RiddellHobbsee: that's what I just asked you!02:30
HobbseeRiddell: nixternal only took the pre-beta CVE, which got uploaded post-beta02:30
HobbseeRiddell: oh, i did say "took one".  right.  (head is hurting, brain's gone to hell, or something), as in, he's taken one of the patches, and got it uploaded.02:31
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RiddellI've not acted on anything yet, although it's on my todo for today02:32
Hobbseei haven ttouched the other two - but i added keescook to kubuntu-members, so he can commit to bzr himself, and just poke us02:32
Riddellah, groovy02:32
HobbseeRiddell: so because i did the last upload, i got poked over it.02:32
RiddellHobbsee: by kees?02:33
HobbseeRiddell: at 2.30am or so local time this morning, when i decided i really couldnt care less :P02:34
RiddellHobbsee: I told him on friday I would look into it, but I've been away this weekend so it's not happened yet02:34
Hobbseefair enough02:35
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Hobbseebut go ahead and upload them, i dont have more bits.02:35
Riddellit was on a private channel I think (security things tend to be)02:36
Hobbseewell, that explains then.02:37
Riddelldoesn't explain why he poked you afterwards02:38
Hobbseebecause i'd done the last fix, and you werent here, i'd guess.  *shrug*.02:38
Hobbseewho knows.02:39
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HobbseeRiddell: kdebluetooth is seriously broken in gutsy - we'd do better to take debian's, put our non-kubuntu patches back into that, and merge it.02:51
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nixternalRiddell: what CVE are you talking about? I did the KDM one last week03:02
Hobbseenixternal: there are 3 more, which kees asked me about, and i've done nothing on yet03:02
Hobbsee(and at this point, wont)03:02
RiddellHobbsee: can you e-mail that to tonio?03:03
nixternalall of the KDM ones have been uploaded, so there must be another CVE then03:03
Riddellnixternal: various ones including that one03:03
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HobbseeRiddell: email what to tonio?03:05
nixternalbug 141378 is the KDM autologin one that I fixed, and it is fixed released for all releases03:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 141378 in kdebase "[Security]  KDM Password-less login vulnerability" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14137803:05
Hobbseenixternal: bugs #140707 and #14687003:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 140707 in qt-x11-free "[Qt 3, Qt 4]  Potential vulnerability in QUtf8Decoder" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14070703:06
ubotuLaunchpad bug 146870 in kdelibs "konqueror URL bar spoofing" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14687003:06
Hobbseeare the new ones03:06
RiddellHobbsee: about bluetooth not working03:06
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nixternalahhh, ya I did see them both actually03:13
Riddellnixternal: I forwarded your e-mail, you should be subscribed to the dot-editors list soon03:14
Riddellnixternal: if you want to prove your editorship credentials I have a small task that could be done03:15
alleeHobbsee, Riddell : kbluetooth: AFAIK currently debian takes what kubuntu has. (at least until one week back)03:16
Hobbseeallee: some of our patches are wrong.  even with that one fixed, ti's not working very well03:17
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Hobbseeallee: as for why we're maintaining blocks separately regardless, i've no idea03:17
alleeHobbsee: kbt: debian is in merge only back mode only ;)03:18
Hobbseeallee: oh, hmmm03:19
nixternalRiddell: shoot it my way03:19
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Riddellnixternal: submit the canary islands fridge article to the dot03:25
Riddellas a 1 paragaph pointer to the fridge article03:25
Riddellwhich usually goes along the lines of "fridge is reporting foo.  it says bar and concludes with thing"03:25
Riddellexpanded out to a paragraph03:26
Riddelloh and being Dot News is has to be given a KDE spin, so highlight aaron's talk and the use of KDE in canary island schools03:26
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Jucatohi bddebian04:17
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bddebianHi Jucato04:18
Jucatohello n8k9904:32
n8k99how goes it Jucato?04:34
Jucatosleepy :)04:34
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Riddellmhb: rosetta existed before pootle06:53
Riddell(otherwise your blog is mostly accurate)06:53
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stdinRiddell: on shipit it currently states "ShipIt is currently closed while we prepare for the Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) release. We'll be back in a few days." surely that should say for gutsy06:55
glatzorevening Riddell.06:57
glatzorRiddell: could you please once again upload a version guidance? I applied the no-dualhead-on-ati patch upstream, fixed some crashers and disabled dualhead for intel too. Sadly06:58
Riddellstdin: right you are, I wonder who's incharge of that07:00
stdindunnow, but I assumed you would know more than I07:01
RiddellI'll pass it on07:01
Riddellglatzor: added to my todo07:01
glatzorRiddell: thanks a lot07:01
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fritschallee: you are the maintainer of kdebluetooth?08:34
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mhbRiddell: really? Thanks for the clarifications.08:47
alleefritsch: together with others, yes.   But lately I had zero time for it.09:00
fritschallee: i made some debugging yesterday, it seems heavily broken09:01
fritschallee: i have some good news though. debian unstable released a 1.0~beta8-1 package, this one makes finally makes file transfairs working for me09:02
fritschallee: as svn version did, but not our kubuntu version09:03
fritschallee: perhaps merging from debian and looking for showstopper kubuntu patches could solve this?09:03
alleefritsch: Hobbsee mentioned something similar today09:07
fritschallee: i tried building a new svn version with "our" patches and after that, svn version stopped working file transfairs, too - though it build well09:08
alleefritsch: unfortunately neither stefan nor tonio are here.  I've right now no time.  I'm fighting with 10 lost disk and 10TB of lost storage :( :(09:08
fritschallee: all the best09:08
alleefritsch: thx.  I'll need it09:09
fritschallee: max planck would turn over in his grave :-)09:10
fritschallee: you are some postcodes too far away, so sorry i cannot come over and help09:10
alleefritsch: maybe start with what's is in debian and add kubuntu patches09:10
fritschallee: i see what they have09:10
alleefritsch: I've put a hat over the head max planck statue next to the computer room09:11
alleefritsch: where do you life in germany?09:12
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fritschallee: Karlsruhe ;-)09:12
alleefritsch: ah, right.09:12
alleefritsch: heh, looks like that were the (soccer) action is right now :)09:13
fritschallee: hehe :-) bayern kicked us09:14
fritschallee: all patches applied, but not the autostart patch, i think they fixed this upstream ...09:18
fritschallee: package working (as far as file transfair is considered)09:24
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nixternalRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39291/09:38
Riddellnixternal: perfect, please submit to the dot through the contribute link09:42
Riddellwell, I might drop the "Truth of the fact" bit, sounds a bit American :)09:43
nixternalis it? heh, my grandpa always said that09:44
nixternaland he was a true Swede, a mean one too :)09:44
=== ScottK gets a bit uneasy about the words Launchpad and Free Software being right next to each other, but it's not wrong as written.
RiddellScottK: where's that?09:45
nixternalRiddell: what should I replace the "truth of the fact" with in order for it not to sound to american?09:47
nixternalremember, I am american, well at least sometimes...sometimes I think I am mexican, but only when in Mexico :)09:47
ScottKRiddell: In the KDE takes over the Azores thing on Planet.09:47
ScottKerr Fridge09:47
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ScottK"... described the Launchpad Free Software project hosting platform"09:48
Riddellnixternal: "Truth of the fact is that KDE is taking over the Canary Islands" -> "KDE is being installed on all the school computers in the Canary Islands by...09:49
nixternalooh, I missed that09:49
Riddellme too :)09:50
nixternalshould be "Launchpad's Free Software Project hosting platform" maybe?09:50
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Riddellthat wouldn't help09:51
nixternal... described Free Software project hosting on Ubuntu's Launchpad :)09:52
Riddellwould work09:52
nixternalat least a little closer09:52
nixternalI am giving a KDE 4 talk on Saturday at the University of Illinois...is there a good presentation out there I could borrow from?09:53
Riddellaseigo has one but I don't know if he makes it generally available09:53
nixternalI have one I created as well for a talk I gave at another campus in Chicago a couple of months ago09:53
ScottKnixternal: Except it's Canonical's Launchpad, not Ubuntu's.  Other than that, I think that's much better.09:53
Riddellgood point09:54
nixternalya, I thought about that after I pressed enter09:54
hungerAnyone having trouble with kmail and pop with TLS encryption?10:04
hungerI can not get my mail since I reinstalled using gutsy/beta of kubuntu:-(10:05
ScottKhunger: What's the error?10:06
Riddellhmm, no Lure10:06
Riddellhunger: Lure's the man keeping an eye on kdepim10:06
hungerScottK: There is none. Just a popup claiming that my server does not support TLS.10:06
hungerScottK: Which it did for the last couple of years and still does afaik.10:06
Riddellhunger: you can try newer builds from  deb calvin210:07
ScottKIf you could get a wireshark data capture for whichever port you connect over, that could help narrow it down.10:08
Riddelldeb http://ppa.launchpad.net/lure/ubuntu gutsy main10:08
hungerHmmm. sending mail has the same problem... No more TLS.10:09
ScottKhunger: That I can test.10:09
=== hunger has not yet seen the test results for the version on lure's server;-)
ScottKhunger: Using the current Kmail version in the Gutsy repo, sending with TLS works.  Oct  1 20:11:44 mailout00 postfix/smtpd[20388] : TLS connection established from static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net[] : TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)10:13
hungerScottK: I am just installing wireshark.10:13
fdovinghunger: current kmail in gutsy works with both TLS and SSL for me too.10:13
hungerI knew that I had missed some important debs when installing on sunday:-)10:14
hungerMaybe I should ring up my ISP then...10:14
hungerKMail sends CAPA and gets a list of capabilities back.10:18
hungerThen it sends AUTH to the POP server and that replies with "-ERR Invalid command.".10:18
=== hunger wonders whether that is normal.
ScottKhunger: Was AUTH on the list of capabilities?10:20
ScottKhunger: Try it with sending.  I'm more familiar with SMTP commands.10:21
hungersending fails when STARTTLS is send... Looks like my ISP has hosed something.10:22
ScottKhunger: If you want to pastebin that one, I can probably tell you exactly what they hosed.10:22
Riddellnixternal: are you going to submit that?10:24
=== hunger shrugs. I wonder why stuff like that always happens when I reinstall my boxes.
nixternalRiddell: will do that now10:37
hungerScottK: Thanks for the offer. I rang up my ISP, let's see whether he will fix it tonight.10:39
nixternalRiddell: posted10:43
nixternalRiddell: I double posted..the first post had my name as "nixternal" and not "Richard Johnson", so if you can nix the first that would rock!10:45
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mhbwow, brightness changing works lovely in Gutsy11:18
mhbdoes anyone have an idea why brightness can be changed in guidance-pm, but not through shortcuts?11:19
Riddellmhb: it just hasn't been added to kmilo11:22
Riddellit wouldn't be hard to do11:22
Riddellwell, it would need something to act on actually, which would be non-trivial11:22
mhbRiddell: hmm, non-trivial - not for me.11:27
mhbI have already heard people talk about this strange cross-shaped cursor at startup, is that fixed yet?11:28
mhbsorry if I am asking too much11:28
Riddellcan't say it's on my radar11:30
mhbnixternal had it on his radar, AFAIK11:34
mhbnixternal: you did spot the "goofy mouse icon at startup" bug? Did you solve it or triage it?11:34
mhbnixternal: can I help with it somehow?11:35
nixternalnot on my radar...it is a boog with kblue in a python script in /usr/bin...there is an import foo line prior to the #! /usr/bin/python line11:35
nixternalfritsch: you created a patch didn't you?11:35
nixternalthat would be fritsch's baby, he is the one who tracked it down I believe11:35
fritschnixternal: i talked with allee and hobsee11:35
nixternalimport is an imagemagick command to take a screenshot...if you look in your ~/ you will see a file called command, that is the screenshot it is taking11:36
fritschnixternal: i think taking the debian unstable version and merging our patches is the best way11:36
fritschnixternal: our package is just "badly broken"11:36
nixternal/usr/bin/kblueplugd is where the issue is11:36
fritschnixternal: i took debian sources, applied our kubuntu patches (without the autostart one) and it is working11:37
fritschnixternal: no this is NOT the issue11:37
fritschnixternal: this fixes kdeblueplugd start, but file transfer does not work11:37
nixternalwell, I am referring to the + mouse cursor at startup11:37
fritschnixternal: svn is working, debian unstable version is working (recompiled on my box)11:37
nixternalthe rest of kblue* I have no clue about..I don't even have a bluetooth device in my house :)11:38
fritschnixternal: okay, if thyx merge from debian kblueplugd is fixed11:38
fritschnixternal: kblueplugd is "okay" there11:38
alleenixternal: what the prob with kblueplugd?11:46
fritschallee: look at /usr/bin/kblueplugd11:47
alleenixternal: uaargagall.  What that garbage at the begin of kblueplugd.  Shudder11:47
fritschallee: :-)11:47
alleefritsch: I did.  Not from me :)11:47
=== allee wonders how rotatelogs is related to kbt at all
fritschallee: i propose debian unstable packages + kubuntu patches - "kubuntu autostart patch (does not apply, seems applied)"11:48
alleefritsch: btw. what this autostart problem you mentioned?11:48
alleefritsch: where's you modified source?11:49
fritschallee: i just took the debian orig.tar.gz their diff11:49
fritschallee: copied over the kubuntu patches and made a package11:49
fritschallee: just had to left out the kubuntu_06_no_autostart patch11:50
fritschthis is not like pros do this - but i just search for an easy way to get everything work (at least for me)11:51
alleefritsch: he, this is necessary.  kbluetooth.autostart.desktop  start kblueooth regardless if a bt adapter is available or not11:51
fritschallee: mmh, mine startet without adapter present11:52
alleefritsch: please remove kbluetooth.autostart.desktop from /usr/share/autostart/kbluetooth.autostart.desktop,   remove the crap at the start of kblueplugd and retry11:53
fritschallee: with the original kubuntu package?11:53
fritschallee: i removed the grab yesterday, but something other is broken11:54
alleefritsch: yes, that the 'problem'.  without adapter there should be now kblueooth running.  When plugged in kbt should be started11:54
fritschallee: mmh, after fixing kblueplugd - it started11:54
fritschallee: but, there are "functional" problems with our version11:54
alleefritsch: tell me about it11:55
fritschallee: there are a lot of bugs, many tell about file transfer11:55
fritschallee: you cannot receive a file from your phone11:55
fritschallee: svn version works, debian unstable version works, too11:55
fritschallee: so, i think our version got something wrong?11:55
fritschallee: perhaps it is in the codebase, or a "half faulty" svn checkout :-)11:56
alleefritsch: that would be really strange if it kblueplugd fault.  As kblueplud only starts kbt when a bt adapter in pluged in and stop when last adapter is removed.11:56
alleefritsch: ^^ that's all it does.11:56
fritschallee: yes, mmh, sorry for my english :-) what i want to say11:56
fritschallee: this is not an error in kblueplugd only :-)11:56
fritschallee: there is one (import ... x = ) ... but this is not all of kdebluetooth problem in kubuntu11:57
fritschallee: filetransfer is broken in kubuntu bluetooth sind beta3 or even earlier11:57
fritschallee: i get you the bug report, mom11:57
fritschallee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebluetooth/+bug/14614511:58
ubotuLaunchpad bug 146145 in kdebluetooth "Can't recive files from cell phone" [Undecided,In progress] 11:58
fritschallee: there are two bugs "in one" ... kblueplugd and "functional problems"11:59
manchickenallee: Wuat's going on?12:05
alleekubuntu: one can't sind files via bt to kubuntu12:07
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alleeConfirmationDlgBase::setProperty( "sizeGripEnabled", value ) failed: property invalid, read-only or does not exist12:08
fritschallee: seen this before ;-)12:08
alleefritsch: yeah, but this happens before I confirm that I accept the push :(12:09
fritschallee: yes, push goes nowhere AND my nokia 6300 dies - you have to hard power off12:10
alleefritsch: receiving files works with debian version + kubuntu patches (- 06 autostart patch) right?12:10
allee^^ for you12:10
fritschallee: yes this works for me12:10
fritschallee: you want to test the "deb" packages?12:10
fritschallee: i just dropped the 06 patch, because it did not apply :-)12:10
alleefritsch: not the deb.  Point me to your .diff.gz.  I've the debian tarball already12:11
fritschallee: use the debian giff.gz and copy in the kubuntu patches ;-)12:11
alleefritsch: okay12:11
fritschallee: i did it this way, if you get the 06 patch to apply - i ll test them12:12
alleefritsch: 06 is equivalent to:   rm /usr/share/autostart/kbluetooth.autostart.desktop12:20
alleefeel free to test this ;)12:20
fritschi dont like rm - it is evil, i test your package, when it is coming out12:21
alleebetter: mv /usr/share/autostart/kbluetooth.autostart.desktop{,.away}   # :)12:21
alleemhmm, patch applies nicely with patch -p1 to debian and kubuntu tarball ...12:26
fritschallee: dpkg-buildpackage throwed an error for me with kubuntu_06, but if it works - cool12:27
alleefritsch: hmm, lemme build it 2 times.  Maybe that's the problem ...12:29
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alleefritsch: no.  Debian has the same patch as 04_no_autostart.patch12:34
fritschallee: oki, so leaving it out would be no problem12:35
fritschallee: btw. could you recover your 10 TB?12:36
alleefritsch: I don't touch the raid.  I sent Sun the debug infos.  Let's see what they suggest12:37
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Riddellnixternal: you're famous12:39
Riddellas a published author on the Dot12:39

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