[12:48] <Tm_T> HRRRRRRR
[12:48] <Tm_T> first Koffees from Ubuntu mug <3<3
[01:39] <Tm_T> <3
[01:40] <DaSkreech> waht about xserver 1.4 ?
[01:40] <Tm_T> havent seen it
[01:48] <gnomefreak> xserver 1.3 not new enough for you?
[02:11] <gnomefreak> how long am i looking at to build amarok? give or take
[02:12] <gnomefreak> only has one binary so maybe an hour or 2?
[02:14] <gnomefreak> well good reason it hasnt been pushed to buildds
[02:15] <gnomefreak> Riddell: amarok2 FTBFS using the source from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=&start=20
[03:42] <DaSkreech> Can't I pipe to rm ?
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> pipe to /dev/null
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[03:44] <DaSkreech> Qt
[03:44] <nosrednaekim> what about it?
[03:44] <DaSkreech> That doesnt help in ridding myself of the disease that is the cursed file
[03:48] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: Short hand for Cute
[03:48] <DaSkreech> so I can't use locate to delete files :(
[04:03] <mluser-home> Is it possible to have knetworkmanager authenticate wifi networks without having to type the kwallet password?
[04:31] <DaSkreech> don't use kwallet?
[05:17] <Hobbsee> oh sigh.  people, we've got enough stuff broken as it is, please dont break more of it.
[05:19] <Hobbsee> oh good, it was a mid-update bug.
[05:20] <Jucato> :)
[05:21] <Jucato> as long as it's T :)
[05:26] <DaSkreech> Whats the situation?
[05:27] <Jucato> "vmware-player-kernel-modules: Depends: vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.20-15 which is a virtual package"
[05:27] <Jucato> ... virtualbox-ose on the other hand, installs withouth the kernel modules it needs to run a VM.. but that has been reported I think...
[05:27] <Jucato> all when I needed a VM type app last night :(
[05:28] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it tells you what command to run
[05:28] <Hobbsee> Jucato: (and it's intentional at this point, iirc)
[05:28] <Jucato> which one? vmware or virtualbox?
[05:28] <Hobbsee> looks like v-p-k-m isnt used in later versions - or the entire package hsant been upgraded.
[05:28] <Hobbsee> virtualbox
[05:29] <Jucato> StevenK is working on a fix. basically it needs a virtualbox-ose-modules package
[05:29] <Jucato> bug 137599
[05:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137599 in virtualbox-ose "virtualbox should depend on virtualbox-source" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137599
[05:29] <Jucato> although that bug title is a bit wrong...
[05:36] <Hobbsee> ah yes
[05:37] <Jucato> hehe it lead me to learn about setting up qemu+kqemu anyway. so all's good :)
[05:37] <Jucato> and discover QtEmu..
[05:37] <Jucato> brrr.. cold monday morning
[05:38] <Jucato> DaSkreech: commit-digest time :)
[05:38] <DaSkreech> Yeah I'm reading it already
[05:39] <DaSkreech> I just hugged dannya as well
[06:07] <DaSkreech> hi imbrandon
[06:12] <nixternal> wo0t
[06:14] <DaSkreech> t0ow!
[06:31] <n8k99> Jucato which textbook did you work through for C++?
[06:33] <Jucato> n8k99: Deitel's C++ How to Program 5th ed
[06:33] <n8k99> thanks
[06:33] <Jucato> welcome :)
[06:34] <Jucato> finally chapter 11!! :)
[06:34] <n8k99> oh?
[06:34] <Jucato> Operator Overloading :)
[06:34] <n8k99> ooh fun
[06:35] <Jucato> not as fun as pointers were I bet :P
[06:35] <Jucato> const int *const ptrKnowledge = NULL;
[06:38] <n8k99> don't really know about pointers- they didn't have them in java or python
[06:38] <Jucato> hm.. thought java had pointers though
[06:38] <n8k99> not that i remember- which could have been my problem!!
[06:38] <Jucato> :)
[06:39] <Jucato> I've seen KDE use lots of pointers, so I'm really preparing myself for this one...
[06:39] <Jucato> although not heavy duty pointer stuff...
[06:39] <Hobbsee> ew, pointers.
[06:39] <Jucato> hehe :)
[06:40] <Hobbsee> if program segfaults, you're likely trying to do something with a pointer pointing to NULL.
[06:40] <n8k99> hmm, interesting
[06:41] <Jucato> n8k99: I read that references in java are "a bit" similar to pointers in C and C++
[06:42] <Jucato> but there are also such things as references in C++... so that could be confusing :)
[06:42] <n8k99> well that would make sense- java does have C similar syntax (as far as I have heard)
[06:42] <Jucato> it should. afaik it was based on C a bit...
[06:42] <n8k99> well, i am going to need C++ to work on KDE- and I'd really like to be able to do that
[06:44] <Jucato> Qt Jambi not an option?
[06:44] <Jucato> hm.. haven't we had that discussion before?
[06:44] <Jucato>  :P
[06:44] <n8k99> yes we have discussed it before
[06:44] <n8k99> i know i could also use PyQt to write things
[07:12] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Ha ha I thought that was SCO
[07:12] <Jucato> DaSkreech: what was?
[07:13] <DaSkreech> Cahpter 11
[07:13] <DaSkreech> bah
[07:13] <Jucato> ah lol
[07:13] <DaSkreech>  chapter 11
[07:13] <DaSkreech> Yes yes I know that means that I wasn't using them correctly
[07:30] <DaSkreech> Jucato: You have a target project?
[07:30] <Jucato> KDE
[07:30] <Jucato> :P
[07:31] <Jucato> nothing specific yet. probably small stuff here and there. Konqueror probably (although I hear its code is quite enormous)
[07:32] <DaSkreech> Really?
[07:33] <DaSkreech> I would have thought it would be small
[07:35] <Jucato> well, there's libkonq and then konq itself... the the kcontrol modules for konq...
[07:36] <Jucato> might want to wait for a few days... he's going to be off for another work-related travel. unless of course you don't mind really bugging him :)
[08:20] <Hobbsee> er, any objectinos if i change the contact address of kubuntu-members to be kubuntu-devel@l.u.c?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> currently, it can be spamming all members
[08:27] <DaSkreech> what about the other aaron in Plasma?
[08:34] <Hobbsee> oh, fricking launchpad data model.
[08:36] <Hobbsee> why do we even *have* kubuntu-beasties?
[08:40] <Jucato> what are those?!?! O.o
[08:40] <Hobbsee> it's a place we blackhole all the bugs to
[08:40] <Hobbsee> someoen else has registered kubuntu-bugs, for some reason.
[08:41] <Jucato> heh
[10:01] <_StefanS_> morning
[10:01] <_StefanS_> Jucato: hey!
[10:15] <Jucato> _StefanS_!!
[10:16] <Jucato> did Tonio_ tell you about the new kdmtheme version?
[10:16] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well, no - but I saw it was out
[10:16] <Jucato> yeah upstream says the new version's much nicer to work with, so you might want to use that instead... however...
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I'm just wondering (which I wrote to him), that its not debianized, eg. not prompting that we're using /etc/kdm.d
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Looks the same to me, and there was just made a change to make the kde devs happy
[10:17] <Jucato> it's 300+ lines vs 500+ :)
[10:17] <_StefanS_> using a dir for populating the themes
[10:17] <_StefanS_> anyways, I will use it as a base
[10:18] <Jucato> w/c one is not debianized?
[10:18] <_StefanS_> 1.2
[10:18] <_StefanS_> guess what, my girl just got even more teeth so I've been up the past nights :-/
[10:18] <Jucato> oooh :(
[10:18] <_StefanS_> only 8 to go...
[10:18] <_StefanS_> :D
[10:18] <Jucato> hehe ;)
[10:18] <Jucato> wait.. more teech = :)
[10:18] <_StefanS_> I will look at it today
[10:18] <Jucato> late up = :(
[10:19] <_StefanS_> yeah..
[10:19] <Jucato> btw, I don't think it's a Debian thing, reading /etc/default/kdm.d/... it's a Kubuntu-only thing afaik
[10:19] <_StefanS_> I would like to get the get the bugfixed knm applet in gutsy
[10:19] <_StefanS_> Jucato: nope, its debian.
[10:19] <Jucato> oooh. I thought it was only us
[10:19] <_StefanS_> Jucato: the dialog that appears clearly state that
[10:20] <_StefanS_> its a good idea, and all I was just wondering why it had disappeared. Guess the patch didn't fit
[10:20] <_StefanS_> anyway, the knm applet bugfix is due this week or the next, can it make for gutsy you think ? I can memorize the schedules
[10:20] <_StefanS_> can/cant
[10:22] <Jucato> too bad Hobbsee's not here now :(
[10:23] <Jucato> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[10:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: there's an updated knm applet due this week or the next, can it make it for gutsy?
[10:24] <_StefanS_> Jucato: lets ask the oracle.
[10:24] <Jucato> :D
[10:25] <_StefanS_> I'm considering another hardware giveaway on kubuntu-devel mailinglist
[10:25] <_StefanS_> I need to get rid of this VIA EPIA thingy
[10:26] <_StefanS_> heh
[10:26] <_StefanS_> I just dont have much space, and I dont like slow computers.
[10:26] <_StefanS_> :D
[10:26] <Jucato> hahah
[10:27] <_StefanS_> hehe
[10:27] <_StefanS_> slow stuff, wanna borrow my cellphone to dual-core it ? :)
[10:27] <Jucato> lol!
[10:28] <_StefanS_> hey who maintains QtCurve ?
[10:28] <_StefanS_> would be cool to up that to the latest 0.54
[10:28] <_StefanS_> (http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/show.php?content=40492)
[10:29] <_StefanS_> Jucato: btw, I just tried openSuSe 10.3 yesterday.. I tell you, we're in good shape. :)
[10:29] <Jucato> oh? I'm waiting for the final release to try it :)
[10:30] <Jucato> not that I'm expecting to switch heheh
[10:30] <_StefanS_> Jucato: nah, alone yast and the packaging system
[10:30] <_StefanS_> Jucato: make me stay away.
[10:30] <_StefanS_> Jucato: does rpm-deltas ever work? :)
[10:31] <Jucato> hm.. yast as in the administration app or are you referring to the package management part only?
[10:31] <Jucato> coz yast is like the admin kcontrol. it isn't just the GUI package manager
[10:31] <_StefanS_> yast + rpm = puke.
[10:31] <Jucato> hm.. ah I guess you're referring more to zypp
[10:32] <_StefanS_> yes. The caching on top of rpm doesnt really aid the process that much. Breaks very easily
[10:32] <Jucato> hm.. brb.. need to get something to eat...
[10:32] <Jucato> I like yast btw, the app I mean
[10:33] <Jucato> the Yet Another Setup Tool. not anything related to package management
[10:36] <_StefanS_> I know
[10:36] <_StefanS_> been working with novell linux for a few years
[10:37] <_StefanS_> its just broken.
[10:37] <_StefanS_> anyways.. Its up to the people.
[11:51] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[12:10] <jussi01> Good afternoon. If there is one of the archive admins here, I would like to ask a quick question if you have time.
[12:16] <jussi01> Ok, I will ask the question and if someone could pop me an email that would be wonderful. (jussi01 at gmail dot com)
[12:16] <jussi01> I have a question, if I am packaging a program for inclusion (hardy), is it possible to include a non free binary backend? I have permission from the developers to distribute it
[12:17] <jussi01> However, the developers have not given me which license it is under
[12:20] <Jucato> jussi01: just a guess. as long as it depends on a proprietary package/library/etc, it will be put in multiverse. but to be sure, ask in #ubuntu-motu
[12:20] <jussi01> Jucato: I did ask there and was directed here....
[12:20] <jussi01> :)
[12:21] <jussi01> I was told to ask the archive admins, and as some hang here and #ubuntu-devel it seems natural to me...
[12:21] <stdin> generally, if it's not under a free license, it goes in multiverse  (also, canonical/ubuntu need permission to distribute, not just you)
[12:22] <jussi01> Ok, sounds fine. Is the process for multiverse the same as universe?
[12:23] <jussi01> Does -motu deal with multiverse also?
[12:24] <stdin> yeah, the MOTU maintain multiverse
[12:24] <Riddell> danimo: hi
[12:25] <jussi01> ok. thanks stdin and Jucato. I will direct further questions at them :)
[12:25] <Riddell> jussi01: hi, I'm an archive admin
[12:25] <jussi01> Riddell: Hi.
[12:25] <Riddell> jussi01: it could go in multiverse if there is permission to distribute it
[12:26] <jussi01> Riddell: OK. Is an email from them enough permission?
[12:26] <Riddell> jussi01: if what they say is unambiguous it should be yes
[12:26] <jussi01> Riddell: Excellent! thank you very much.
[12:30] <danimo> Riddell: can we constraint strigidaemon somehow?
[12:30] <danimo> Riddell: it's a bit bad that it runs even when I'm on battery
[12:35] <Riddell> I suspect we'll end up not running strigiapplet (and thus the daemon) by default
[12:35] <Riddell> which makes me sad
[12:35] <Riddell> danimo: but please address your concerns to vandenoever
[12:36] <Riddell> since they're far more likely to be fixed that way
[12:45] <danimo> Riddell: true, but we need to make sure to not frustrate people
[12:45] <danimo> Riddell: as they were with The Novell Solution
[12:46] <danimo> Riddell: currently strigi is mostly something that eats up 90% CPU time almost any time I watch top
[01:10] <larsivi> heya
[01:11] <larsivi> would someone with gutsy be so kind to test an svn connection for me? by private message?
[01:11] <Riddell> larsivi: could do
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sorry, didnt realise you were doing all the security fixes - nixternal took one days ago.
[02:29] <Riddell> Hobbsee: how do you mean took one?
[02:29] <Riddell> I just said I'd make sure they would be or have been done
[02:29] <Riddell> which is still on my todo
[02:29] <manchicken> Riddell: Got a moment for a /query?
[02:30] <Riddell> manchicken: ok
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: "took one"?
[02:30] <Riddell> Hobbsee: that's what I just asked you!
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Riddell: nixternal only took the pre-beta CVE, which got uploaded post-beta
[02:31] <Hobbsee> Riddell: oh, i did say "took one".  right.  (head is hurting, brain's gone to hell, or something), as in, he's taken one of the patches, and got it uploaded.
[02:32] <Riddell> I've not acted on anything yet, although it's on my todo for today
[02:32] <Hobbsee> i haven ttouched the other two - but i added keescook to kubuntu-members, so he can commit to bzr himself, and just poke us
[02:32] <Riddell> ah, groovy
[02:32] <Hobbsee> Riddell: so because i did the last upload, i got poked over it.
[02:33] <Riddell> Hobbsee: by kees?
[02:33] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:34] <Hobbsee> Riddell: at 2.30am or so local time this morning, when i decided i really couldnt care less :P
[02:34] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I told him on friday I would look into it, but I've been away this weekend so it's not happened yet
[02:35] <Hobbsee> fair enough
[02:35] <Hobbsee> but go ahead and upload them, i dont have more bits.
[02:36] <Riddell> it was on a private channel I think (security things tend to be)
[02:37] <Hobbsee> well, that explains then.
[02:38] <Riddell> doesn't explain why he poked you afterwards
[02:38] <Hobbsee> because i'd done the last fix, and you werent here, i'd guess.  *shrug*.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> who knows.
[02:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: kdebluetooth is seriously broken in gutsy - we'd do better to take debian's, put our non-kubuntu patches back into that, and merge it.
[03:02] <nixternal> Riddell: what CVE are you talking about? I did the KDM one last week
[03:02] <Hobbsee> nixternal: there are 3 more, which kees asked me about, and i've done nothing on yet
[03:02] <Hobbsee> (and at this point, wont)
[03:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: can you e-mail that to tonio?
[03:03] <nixternal> all of the KDM ones have been uploaded, so there must be another CVE then
[03:03] <Riddell> nixternal: various ones including that one
[03:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: email what to tonio?
[03:05] <nixternal> bug 141378 is the KDM autologin one that I fixed, and it is fixed released for all releases
[03:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141378 in kdebase "[Security]  KDM Password-less login vulnerability" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/141378
[03:06] <Hobbsee> nixternal: bugs #140707 and #146870
[03:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140707 in qt-x11-free "[Qt 3, Qt 4]  Potential vulnerability in QUtf8Decoder" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140707
[03:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146870 in kdelibs "konqueror URL bar spoofing" [Medium,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/146870
[03:06] <Hobbsee> are the new ones
[03:06] <Riddell> Hobbsee: about bluetooth not working
[03:07] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:13] <nixternal> ahhh, ya I did see them both actually
[03:14] <Riddell> nixternal: I forwarded your e-mail, you should be subscribed to the dot-editors list soon
[03:15] <Riddell> nixternal: if you want to prove your editorship credentials I have a small task that could be done
[03:16] <allee> Hobbsee, Riddell : kbluetooth: AFAIK currently debian takes what kubuntu has. (at least until one week back)
[03:17] <Hobbsee> allee: some of our patches are wrong.  even with that one fixed, ti's not working very well
[03:17] <Hobbsee> allee: as for why we're maintaining blocks separately regardless, i've no idea
[03:18] <allee> Hobbsee: kbt: debian is in merge only back mode only ;)
[03:19] <Hobbsee> allee: oh, hmmm
[03:19] <nixternal> Riddell: shoot it my way
[03:25] <Riddell> nixternal: submit the canary islands fridge article to the dot
[03:25] <Riddell> as a 1 paragaph pointer to the fridge article
[03:25] <Riddell> which usually goes along the lines of "fridge is reporting foo.  it says bar and concludes with thing"
[03:26] <Riddell> expanded out to a paragraph
[03:26] <Riddell> oh and being Dot News is has to be given a KDE spin, so highlight aaron's talk and the use of KDE in canary island schools
[04:17] <bddebian> Heya
[04:17] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[04:18] <bddebian> Hi Jucato
[04:32] <n8k99> hi
[04:32] <Jucato> hello n8k99
[04:34] <n8k99> how goes it Jucato?
[04:34] <Jucato> sleepy :)
[04:34] <n8k99> he
[06:53] <Riddell> mhb: rosetta existed before pootle
[06:53] <Riddell> (otherwise your blog is mostly accurate)
[06:55] <stdin> Riddell: on shipit it currently states "ShipIt is currently closed while we prepare for the Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) release. We'll be back in a few days." surely that should say for gutsy
[06:57] <glatzor> evening Riddell.
[06:58] <glatzor> Riddell: could you please once again upload a version guidance? I applied the no-dualhead-on-ati patch upstream, fixed some crashers and disabled dualhead for intel too. Sadly
[07:00] <Riddell> stdin: right you are, I wonder who's incharge of that
[07:01] <stdin> dunnow, but I assumed you would know more than I
[07:01] <Riddell> I'll pass it on
[07:01] <Riddell> glatzor: added to my todo
[07:01] <glatzor> Riddell: thanks a lot
[08:34] <fritsch> allee: you are the maintainer of kdebluetooth?
[08:47] <mhb> Riddell: really? Thanks for the clarifications.
[09:00] <allee> fritsch: together with others, yes.   But lately I had zero time for it.
[09:01] <fritsch> allee: i made some debugging yesterday, it seems heavily broken
[09:02] <fritsch> allee: i have some good news though. debian unstable released a 1.0~beta8-1 package, this one makes finally makes file transfairs working for me
[09:03] <fritsch> allee: as svn version did, but not our kubuntu version
[09:03] <fritsch> allee: perhaps merging from debian and looking for showstopper kubuntu patches could solve this?
[09:07] <allee> fritsch: Hobbsee mentioned something similar today
[09:08] <fritsch> allee: i tried building a new svn version with "our" patches and after that, svn version stopped working file transfairs, too - though it build well
[09:08] <allee> fritsch: unfortunately neither stefan nor tonio are here.  I've right now no time.  I'm fighting with 10 lost disk and 10TB of lost storage :( :(
[09:08] <fritsch> allee: all the best
[09:09] <allee> fritsch: thx.  I'll need it
[09:10] <fritsch> allee: max planck would turn over in his grave :-)
[09:10] <fritsch> allee: you are some postcodes too far away, so sorry i cannot come over and help
[09:10] <allee> fritsch: maybe start with what's is in debian and add kubuntu patches
[09:10] <fritsch> allee: i see what they have
[09:11] <allee> fritsch: I've put a hat over the head max planck statue next to the computer room
[09:12] <allee> fritsch: where do you life in germany?
[09:12] <fritsch> allee: Karlsruhe ;-)
[09:12] <allee> fritsch: ah, right.
[09:13] <allee> fritsch: heh, looks like that were the (soccer) action is right now :)
[09:14] <fritsch> allee: hehe :-) bayern kicked us
[09:18] <fritsch> allee: all patches applied, but not the autostart patch, i think they fixed this upstream ...
[09:24] <fritsch> allee: package working (as far as file transfair is considered)
[09:38] <nixternal> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39291/
[09:42] <Riddell> nixternal: perfect, please submit to the dot through the contribute link
[09:43] <Riddell> well, I might drop the "Truth of the fact" bit, sounds a bit American :)
[09:44] <nixternal> is it? heh, my grandpa always said that
[09:44] <nixternal> and he was a true Swede, a mean one too :)
[09:45] <nixternal> heh
[09:45] <Riddell> ScottK: where's that?
[09:47] <nixternal> Riddell: what should I replace the "truth of the fact" with in order for it not to sound to american?
[09:47] <nixternal> remember, I am american, well at least sometimes...sometimes I think I am mexican, but only when in Mexico :)
[09:47] <ScottK> Riddell: In the KDE takes over the Azores thing on Planet.
[09:47] <ScottK> err Fridge
[09:48] <ScottK> "... described the Launchpad Free Software project hosting platform"
[09:49] <Riddell> nixternal: "Truth of the fact is that KDE is taking over the Canary Islands" -> "KDE is being installed on all the school computers in the Canary Islands by...
[09:49] <nixternal> ooh, I missed that
[09:50] <Riddell> me too :)
[09:50] <nixternal> gotcha
[09:50] <nixternal> should be "Launchpad's Free Software Project hosting platform" maybe?
[09:51] <Riddell> that wouldn't help
[09:52] <nixternal> ... described Free Software project hosting on Ubuntu's Launchpad :)
[09:52] <Riddell> would work
[09:52] <nixternal> at least a little closer
[09:53] <nixternal> I am giving a KDE 4 talk on Saturday at the University of Illinois...is there a good presentation out there I could borrow from?
[09:53] <Riddell> aseigo has one but I don't know if he makes it generally available
[09:53] <nixternal> I have one I created as well for a talk I gave at another campus in Chicago a couple of months ago
[09:53] <ScottK> nixternal: Except it's Canonical's Launchpad, not Ubuntu's.  Other than that, I think that's much better.
[09:54] <Riddell> good point
[09:54] <nixternal> ya, I thought about that after I pressed enter
[10:04] <hunger> Anyone having trouble with kmail and pop with TLS encryption?
[10:05] <hunger> I can not get my mail since I reinstalled using gutsy/beta of kubuntu:-(
[10:06] <ScottK> hunger: What's the error?
[10:06] <Riddell> hmm, no Lure
[10:06] <Riddell> hunger: Lure's the man keeping an eye on kdepim
[10:06] <hunger> ScottK: There is none. Just a popup claiming that my server does not support TLS.
[10:06] <hunger> ScottK: Which it did for the last couple of years and still does afaik.
[10:07] <ScottK> Right.
[10:07] <Riddell> hunger: you can try newer builds from  deb calvin2
[10:08] <ScottK> If you could get a wireshark data capture for whichever port you connect over, that could help narrow it down.
[10:08] <Riddell> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/lure/ubuntu gutsy main
[10:08] <Riddell> rather
[10:09] <hunger> Hmmm. sending mail has the same problem... No more TLS.
[10:09] <ScottK> hunger: That I can test.
[10:13] <ScottK> hunger: Using the current Kmail version in the Gutsy repo, sending with TLS works.  Oct  1 20:11:44 mailout00 postfix/smtpd[20388] : TLS connection established from static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net[72.81.252.22] : TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)
[10:13] <hunger> ScottK: I am just installing wireshark.
[10:13] <fdoving> hunger: current kmail in gutsy works with both TLS and SSL for me too.
[10:14] <hunger> I knew that I had missed some important debs when installing on sunday:-)
[10:14] <hunger> Maybe I should ring up my ISP then...
[10:18] <hunger> KMail sends CAPA and gets a list of capabilities back.
[10:18] <hunger> Then it sends AUTH to the POP server and that replies with "-ERR Invalid command.".
[10:20] <ScottK> hunger: Was AUTH on the list of capabilities?
[10:21] <ScottK> hunger: Try it with sending.  I'm more familiar with SMTP commands.
[10:21] <hunger> Nope.
[10:22] <hunger> sending fails when STARTTLS is send... Looks like my ISP has hosed something.
[10:22] <ScottK> hunger: If you want to pastebin that one, I can probably tell you exactly what they hosed.
[10:24] <Riddell> nixternal: are you going to submit that?
[10:37] <nixternal> Riddell: will do that now
[10:39] <hunger> ScottK: Thanks for the offer. I rang up my ISP, let's see whether he will fix it tonight.
[10:39] <ScottK> OK
[10:43] <nixternal> Riddell: posted
[10:45] <nixternal> Riddell: I double posted..the first post had my name as "nixternal" and not "Richard Johnson", so if you can nix the first that would rock!
[11:18] <mhb> wow, brightness changing works lovely in Gutsy
[11:19] <mhb> does anyone have an idea why brightness can be changed in guidance-pm, but not through shortcuts?
[11:22] <Riddell> mhb: it just hasn't been added to kmilo
[11:22] <Riddell> it wouldn't be hard to do
[11:22] <Riddell> well, it would need something to act on actually, which would be non-trivial
[11:27] <mhb> Riddell: hmm, non-trivial - not for me.
[11:28] <mhb> I have already heard people talk about this strange cross-shaped cursor at startup, is that fixed yet?
[11:28] <mhb> sorry if I am asking too much
[11:30] <Riddell> can't say it's on my radar
[11:34] <mhb> nixternal had it on his radar, AFAIK
[11:34] <mhb> nixternal: you did spot the "goofy mouse icon at startup" bug? Did you solve it or triage it?
[11:35] <mhb> nixternal: can I help with it somehow?
[11:35] <nixternal> not on my radar...it is a boog with kblue in a python script in /usr/bin...there is an import foo line prior to the #! /usr/bin/python line
[11:35] <nixternal> fritsch: you created a patch didn't you?
[11:35] <nixternal> that would be fritsch's baby, he is the one who tracked it down I believe
[11:35] <fritsch> nixternal: i talked with allee and hobsee
[11:36] <nixternal> import is an imagemagick command to take a screenshot...if you look in your ~/ you will see a file called command, that is the screenshot it is taking
[11:36] <fritsch> nixternal: i think taking the debian unstable version and merging our patches is the best way
[11:36] <fritsch> nixternal: our package is just "badly broken"
[11:36] <nixternal> /usr/bin/kblueplugd is where the issue is
[11:37] <fritsch> nixternal: i took debian sources, applied our kubuntu patches (without the autostart one) and it is working
[11:37] <fritsch> nixternal: no this is NOT the issue
[11:37] <fritsch> nixternal: this fixes kdeblueplugd start, but file transfer does not work
[11:37] <nixternal> well, I am referring to the + mouse cursor at startup
[11:37] <fritsch> nixternal: svn is working, debian unstable version is working (recompiled on my box)
[11:38] <nixternal> the rest of kblue* I have no clue about..I don't even have a bluetooth device in my house :)
[11:38] <fritsch> nixternal: okay, if thyx merge from debian kblueplugd is fixed
[11:38] <fritsch> nixternal: kblueplugd is "okay" there
[11:46] <allee> nixternal: what the prob with kblueplugd?
[11:47] <fritsch> allee: look at /usr/bin/kblueplugd
[11:47] <allee> nixternal: uaargagall.  What that garbage at the begin of kblueplugd.  Shudder
[11:47] <fritsch> allee: :-)
[11:47] <allee> fritsch: I did.  Not from me :)
[11:47] <nixternal> hehe
[11:48] <fritsch> allee: i propose debian unstable packages + kubuntu patches - "kubuntu autostart patch (does not apply, seems applied)"
[11:48] <allee> fritsch: btw. what this autostart problem you mentioned?
[11:49] <allee> fritsch: where's you modified source?
[11:49] <fritsch> allee: i just took the debian orig.tar.gz their diff
[11:49] <fritsch> allee: copied over the kubuntu patches and made a package
[11:50] <fritsch> allee: just had to left out the kubuntu_06_no_autostart patch
[11:51] <fritsch> this is not like pros do this - but i just search for an easy way to get everything work (at least for me)
[11:51] <allee> fritsch: he, this is necessary.  kbluetooth.autostart.desktop  start kblueooth regardless if a bt adapter is available or not
[11:52] <fritsch> allee: mmh, mine startet without adapter present
[11:53] <allee> fritsch: please remove kbluetooth.autostart.desktop from /usr/share/autostart/kbluetooth.autostart.desktop,   remove the crap at the start of kblueplugd and retry
[11:53] <fritsch> allee: with the original kubuntu package?
[11:54] <fritsch> allee: i removed the grab yesterday, but something other is broken
[11:54] <allee> fritsch: yes, that the 'problem'.  without adapter there should be now kblueooth running.  When plugged in kbt should be started
[11:54] <fritsch> allee: mmh, after fixing kblueplugd - it started
[11:54] <fritsch> allee: but, there are "functional" problems with our version
[11:55] <allee> fritsch: tell me about it
[11:55] <fritsch> allee: there are a lot of bugs, many tell about file transfer
[11:55] <fritsch> allee: you cannot receive a file from your phone
[11:55] <fritsch> allee: svn version works, debian unstable version works, too
[11:55] <fritsch> allee: so, i think our version got something wrong?
[11:56] <fritsch> allee: perhaps it is in the codebase, or a "half faulty" svn checkout :-)
[11:56] <allee> fritsch: that would be really strange if it kblueplugd fault.  As kblueplud only starts kbt when a bt adapter in pluged in and stop when last adapter is removed.
[11:56] <allee> fritsch: ^^ that's all it does.
[11:56] <fritsch> allee: yes, mmh, sorry for my english :-) what i want to say
[11:56] <fritsch> allee: this is not an error in kblueplugd only :-)
[11:57] <fritsch> allee: there is one (import ... x = ) ... but this is not all of kdebluetooth problem in kubuntu
[11:57] <fritsch> allee: filetransfer is broken in kubuntu bluetooth sind beta3 or even earlier
[11:57] <fritsch> allee: i get you the bug report, mom
[11:58] <fritsch> allee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebluetooth/+bug/146145
[11:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146145 in kdebluetooth "Can't recive files from cell phone" [Undecided,In progress] 
[11:59] <fritsch> allee: there are two bugs "in one" ... kblueplugd and "functional problems"
[12:05] <manchicken> allee: Wuat's going on?
[12:05] <manchicken> what's*
[12:07] <allee> kubuntu: one can't sind files via bt to kubuntu
[12:08] <allee> ConfirmationDlgBase::setProperty( "sizeGripEnabled", value ) failed: property invalid, read-only or does not exist
[12:08] <fritsch> allee: seen this before ;-)
[12:09] <allee> fritsch: yeah, but this happens before I confirm that I accept the push :(
[12:10] <fritsch> allee: yes, push goes nowhere AND my nokia 6300 dies - you have to hard power off
[12:10] <allee> fritsch: receiving files works with debian version + kubuntu patches (- 06 autostart patch) right?
[12:10] <allee> ^^ for you
[12:10] <fritsch> allee: yes this works for me
[12:10] <fritsch> allee: you want to test the "deb" packages?
[12:10] <fritsch> allee: i just dropped the 06 patch, because it did not apply :-)
[12:11] <allee> fritsch: not the deb.  Point me to your .diff.gz.  I've the debian tarball already
[12:11] <fritsch> allee: use the debian giff.gz and copy in the kubuntu patches ;-)
[12:11] <allee> fritsch: okay
[12:12] <fritsch> allee: i did it this way, if you get the 06 patch to apply - i ll test them
[12:20] <allee> fritsch: 06 is equivalent to:   rm /usr/share/autostart/kbluetooth.autostart.desktop
[12:20] <allee> feel free to test this ;)
[12:21] <fritsch> i dont like rm - it is evil, i test your package, when it is coming out
[12:21] <allee> better: mv /usr/share/autostart/kbluetooth.autostart.desktop{,.away}   # :)
[12:26] <allee> mhmm, patch applies nicely with patch -p1 to debian and kubuntu tarball ...
[12:26] <allee> kubuntu_06*
[12:27] <fritsch> allee: dpkg-buildpackage throwed an error for me with kubuntu_06, but if it works - cool
[12:29] <allee> fritsch: hmm, lemme build it 2 times.  Maybe that's the problem ...
[12:34] <allee> fritsch: no.  Debian has the same patch as 04_no_autostart.patch
[12:35] <fritsch> allee: oki, so leaving it out would be no problem
[12:35] <allee> yes
[12:36] <fritsch> allee: btw. could you recover your 10 TB?
[12:37] <allee> fritsch: I don't touch the raid.  I sent Sun the debug infos.  Let's see what they suggest
[12:39] <Riddell> nixternal: you're famous
[12:39] <Riddell> as a published author on the Dot