[12:48] HRRRRRRR [12:48] first Koffees from Ubuntu mug <3<3 === larsivi is now known as larsivi|Zzz === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-51-0.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manckn@12-226-72-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@lvps87-230-14-223.dedicated.hosteurope.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech paints the Koffee mug Blue [01:39] <3 === Tm_T has brand new, shiny xine 1.2 running [01:40] waht about xserver 1.4 ? [01:40] havent seen it === gnomefreak hopes this works [01:48] xserver 1.3 not new enough for you? === gnomefreak thinks that is version with bulletproofX [02:11] how long am i looking at to build amarok? give or take [02:12] only has one binary so maybe an hour or 2? [02:14] well good reason it hasnt been pushed to buildds [02:15] Riddell: amarok2 FTBFS using the source from https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=&start=20 === gnomefreak not sure if known or not === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-059-166.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken__ [n=manckn@12-226-72-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@03-183.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Zanav26 [i=top@gateway/tor/x-9b1cdf5b7cb9dfd6] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mluser-home [n=mluser-h@ip68-0-70-23.tu.ok.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:42] Can't I pipe to rm ? [03:44] pipe to /dev/null [03:44] ;) [03:44] Qt [03:44] what about it? [03:44] That doesnt help in ridding myself of the disease that is the cursed file [03:48] nosrednaekim: Short hand for Cute [03:48] so I can't use locate to delete files :( [04:03] Is it possible to have knetworkmanager authenticate wifi networks without having to type the kwallet password? === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:31] don't use kwallet? === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A7225A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:17] oh sigh. people, we've got enough stuff broken as it is, please dont break more of it. === Jucato wished he had something to break :P [05:19] oh good, it was a mid-update bug. === DaSkreech gives Jucato libc6 [05:20] :) === Jucato finds the situation with vware-player a bit funny === n8k99 hands Jucato cup of brown tea without any rice in it [05:21] as long as it's T :) [05:26] Whats the situation? [05:27] "vmware-player-kernel-modules: Depends: vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.20-15 which is a virtual package" [05:27] ... virtualbox-ose on the other hand, installs withouth the kernel modules it needs to run a VM.. but that has been reported I think... [05:27] all when I needed a VM type app last night :( [05:28] Jucato: it tells you what command to run [05:28] Jucato: (and it's intentional at this point, iirc) [05:28] which one? vmware or virtualbox? [05:28] looks like v-p-k-m isnt used in later versions - or the entire package hsant been upgraded. [05:28] virtualbox [05:29] StevenK is working on a fix. basically it needs a virtualbox-ose-modules package [05:29] bug 137599 [05:29] Launchpad bug 137599 in virtualbox-ose "virtualbox should depend on virtualbox-source" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137599 [05:29] although that bug title is a bit wrong... === imbrandon [n=Brandon@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.imbrandon] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:36] ah yes === Hobbsee doubts the virtualbox guys are terribly happy [05:37] hehe it lead me to learn about setting up qemu+kqemu anyway. so all's good :) [05:37] and discover QtEmu.. [05:37] brrr.. cold monday morning [05:38] DaSkreech: commit-digest time :) [05:38] Yeah I'm reading it already [05:39] I just hugged dannya as well === Jucato waits for dfaure to go online... === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:07] hi imbrandon [06:12] wo0t [06:14] t0ow! === besonen_mobile__ [n=besonen_@71-220-231-201.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:31] Jucato which textbook did you work through for C++? [06:33] n8k99: Deitel's C++ How to Program 5th ed [06:33] thanks [06:33] welcome :) [06:34] finally chapter 11!! :) [06:34] oh? [06:34] Operator Overloading :) [06:34] ooh fun [06:35] not as fun as pointers were I bet :P [06:35] const int *const ptrKnowledge = NULL; [06:38] don't really know about pointers- they didn't have them in java or python [06:38] hm.. thought java had pointers though [06:38] not that i remember- which could have been my problem!! [06:38] :) [06:39] I've seen KDE use lots of pointers, so I'm really preparing myself for this one... [06:39] although not heavy duty pointer stuff... [06:39] ew, pointers. === Hobbsee curses [06:39] hehe :) [06:40] if program segfaults, you're likely trying to do something with a pointer pointing to NULL. [06:40] hmm, interesting [06:41] n8k99: I read that references in java are "a bit" similar to pointers in C and C++ [06:42] but there are also such things as references in C++... so that could be confusing :) [06:42] well that would make sense- java does have C similar syntax (as far as I have heard) [06:42] it should. afaik it was based on C a bit... [06:42] well, i am going to need C++ to work on KDE- and I'd really like to be able to do that === n8k99 wants an extension to sync Kaddressbook with the Plaxo API [06:44] Qt Jambi not an option? [06:44] hm.. haven't we had that discussion before? [06:44] :P [06:44] yes we have discussed it before [06:44] i know i could also use PyQt to write things === mars [n=cb@LSt-Amand-152-33-21-185.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:12] Jucato: Ha ha I thought that was SCO [07:12] DaSkreech: what was? [07:13] Cahpter 11 [07:13] bah [07:13] ah lol [07:13] chapter 11 === DaSkreech never had that much problem with pointers [07:13] Yes yes I know that means that I wasn't using them correctly [07:30] Jucato: You have a target project? [07:30] KDE [07:30] :P [07:31] nothing specific yet. probably small stuff here and there. Konqueror probably (although I hear its code is quite enormous) [07:32] Really? [07:33] I would have thought it would be small [07:35] well, there's libkonq and then konq itself... the the kcontrol modules for konq... === DaSkreech should look at Kscreensaver === DaSkreech will bug aaron about it tomorrow [07:36] might want to wait for a few days... he's going to be off for another work-related travel. unless of course you don't mind really bugging him :) [08:20] er, any objectinos if i change the contact address of kubuntu-members to be kubuntu-devel@l.u.c? [08:20] currently, it can be spamming all members === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:27] what about the other aaron in Plasma? === Jucato doesn't know him sorry === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee wonders hwo to moderate the mail itself for kubuntu-devel [08:34] oh, fricking launchpad data model. [08:36] why do we even *have* kubuntu-beasties? [08:40] what are those?!?! O.o [08:40] it's a place we blackhole all the bugs to [08:40] someoen else has registered kubuntu-bugs, for some reason. [08:41] heh === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-157-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tommy [n=Tommy@d220-237-200-173.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tommy [n=Tommy@d220-237-200-173.dsl.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has left #kubuntu-devel ["I'm] === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:01] <_StefanS_> morning [10:01] <_StefanS_> Jucato: hey! === milian [n=milian@p57BB1715.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:15] _StefanS_!! [10:16] did Tonio_ tell you about the new kdmtheme version? [10:16] <_StefanS_> Jucato: well, no - but I saw it was out [10:16] yeah upstream says the new version's much nicer to work with, so you might want to use that instead... however... [10:17] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I'm just wondering (which I wrote to him), that its not debianized, eg. not prompting that we're using /etc/kdm.d [10:17] <_StefanS_> Looks the same to me, and there was just made a change to make the kde devs happy [10:17] it's 300+ lines vs 500+ :) [10:17] <_StefanS_> using a dir for populating the themes === jpetso [n=jpetso@chello084112133091.25.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:17] <_StefanS_> anyways, I will use it as a base [10:18] w/c one is not debianized? [10:18] <_StefanS_> 1.2 [10:18] <_StefanS_> guess what, my girl just got even more teeth so I've been up the past nights :-/ [10:18] oooh :( [10:18] <_StefanS_> only 8 to go... [10:18] <_StefanS_> :D [10:18] hehe ;) [10:18] wait.. more teech = :) [10:18] <_StefanS_> I will look at it today [10:18] late up = :( [10:19] <_StefanS_> yeah.. [10:19] btw, I don't think it's a Debian thing, reading /etc/default/kdm.d/... it's a Kubuntu-only thing afaik [10:19] <_StefanS_> I would like to get the get the bugfixed knm applet in gutsy [10:19] <_StefanS_> Jucato: nope, its debian. [10:19] oooh. I thought it was only us [10:19] <_StefanS_> Jucato: the dialog that appears clearly state that [10:20] <_StefanS_> its a good idea, and all I was just wondering why it had disappeared. Guess the patch didn't fit [10:20] <_StefanS_> anyway, the knm applet bugfix is due this week or the next, can it make for gutsy you think ? I can memorize the schedules [10:20] <_StefanS_> can/cant === Jucato checks === Jucato doesn't understand the schedule... [10:22] too bad Hobbsee's not here now :( [10:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule [10:24] <_StefanS_> Riddell: there's an updated knm applet due this week or the next, can it make it for gutsy? [10:24] <_StefanS_> Jucato: lets ask the oracle. [10:24] :D [10:25] <_StefanS_> I'm considering another hardware giveaway on kubuntu-devel mailinglist [10:25] <_StefanS_> I need to get rid of this VIA EPIA thingy === Jucato thinks he has finally met Santa Clause... [10:26] <_StefanS_> heh [10:26] <_StefanS_> I just dont have much space, and I dont like slow computers. [10:26] <_StefanS_> :D [10:26] hahah === Jucato hugs his 1.5GHz 1GB RAM computer... and gets electrocuted [10:27] <_StefanS_> hehe [10:27] <_StefanS_> slow stuff, wanna borrow my cellphone to dual-core it ? :) [10:27] lol! [10:28] <_StefanS_> hey who maintains QtCurve ? [10:28] <_StefanS_> would be cool to up that to the latest 0.54 [10:28] <_StefanS_> (http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/show.php?content=40492) [10:29] <_StefanS_> Jucato: btw, I just tried openSuSe 10.3 yesterday.. I tell you, we're in good shape. :) [10:29] oh? I'm waiting for the final release to try it :) [10:30] not that I'm expecting to switch heheh === Jucato suddenly feels hunger (who isn't here) [10:30] <_StefanS_> Jucato: nah, alone yast and the packaging system [10:30] <_StefanS_> Jucato: make me stay away. [10:30] <_StefanS_> Jucato: does rpm-deltas ever work? :) [10:31] hm.. yast as in the administration app or are you referring to the package management part only? [10:31] coz yast is like the admin kcontrol. it isn't just the GUI package manager [10:31] <_StefanS_> yast + rpm = puke. [10:31] hm.. ah I guess you're referring more to zypp [10:32] <_StefanS_> yes. The caching on top of rpm doesnt really aid the process that much. Breaks very easily [10:32] hm.. brb.. need to get something to eat... [10:32] I like yast btw, the app I mean [10:33] the Yet Another Setup Tool. not anything related to package management [10:36] <_StefanS_> I know [10:36] <_StefanS_> been working with novell linux for a few years [10:37] <_StefanS_> its just broken. [10:37] <_StefanS_> anyways.. Its up to the people. === Jucato yawns === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:cb36:1c97:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === danimo [n=danimo@kde/danimo] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:51] Riddell: ping? === jussi01 [n=jussi@oul088-gw3.netplaza.fi] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:10] Good afternoon. If there is one of the archive admins here, I would like to ask a quick question if you have time. [12:16] Ok, I will ask the question and if someone could pop me an email that would be wonderful. (jussi01 at gmail dot com) [12:16] I have a question, if I am packaging a program for inclusion (hardy), is it possible to include a non free binary backend? I have permission from the developers to distribute it [12:17] However, the developers have not given me which license it is under [12:20] jussi01: just a guess. as long as it depends on a proprietary package/library/etc, it will be put in multiverse. but to be sure, ask in #ubuntu-motu [12:20] Jucato: I did ask there and was directed here.... [12:20] :) === Jucato wonders why [12:21] I was told to ask the archive admins, and as some hang here and #ubuntu-devel it seems natural to me... [12:21] generally, if it's not under a free license, it goes in multiverse (also, canonical/ubuntu need permission to distribute, not just you) [12:22] Ok, sounds fine. Is the process for multiverse the same as universe? [12:23] Does -motu deal with multiverse also? [12:24] yeah, the MOTU maintain multiverse [12:24] danimo: hi [12:25] ok. thanks stdin and Jucato. I will direct further questions at them :) [12:25] jussi01: hi, I'm an archive admin [12:25] Riddell: Hi. [12:25] jussi01: it could go in multiverse if there is permission to distribute it [12:26] Riddell: OK. Is an email from them enough permission? [12:26] jussi01: if what they say is unambiguous it should be yes [12:26] Riddell: Excellent! thank you very much. === jussi01 needs to go back to work. Thank you all. [12:30] Riddell: can we constraint strigidaemon somehow? [12:30] Riddell: it's a bit bad that it runs even when I'm on battery [12:35] I suspect we'll end up not running strigiapplet (and thus the daemon) by default [12:35] which makes me sad [12:35] danimo: but please address your concerns to vandenoever [12:36] since they're far more likely to be fixed that way [12:45] Riddell: true, but we need to make sure to not frustrate people [12:45] Riddell: as they were with The Novell Solution [12:46] Riddell: currently strigi is mostly something that eats up 90% CPU time almost any time I watch top === larsivi [n=larsivi@85.221.53.194] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@pD9509DC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@chello062178070021.24.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:10] heya [01:11] would someone with gutsy be so kind to test an svn connection for me? by private message? [01:11] larsivi: could do === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:22] Riddell: sorry, didnt realise you were doing all the security fixes - nixternal took one days ago. [02:29] Hobbsee: how do you mean took one? === _superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:29] I just said I'd make sure they would be or have been done [02:29] which is still on my todo [02:29] Riddell: Got a moment for a /query? [02:30] manchicken: ok [02:30] Riddell: "took one"? [02:30] Hobbsee: that's what I just asked you! [02:30] Riddell: nixternal only took the pre-beta CVE, which got uploaded post-beta [02:31] Riddell: oh, i did say "took one". right. (head is hurting, brain's gone to hell, or something), as in, he's taken one of the patches, and got it uploaded. === Hobbsee never saw you say that, nor saw you act to get the pre-beta CVE in, whihc is uploaded now. [02:32] I've not acted on anything yet, although it's on my todo for today [02:32] i haven ttouched the other two - but i added keescook to kubuntu-members, so he can commit to bzr himself, and just poke us [02:32] ah, groovy [02:32] Riddell: so because i did the last upload, i got poked over it. [02:33] Hobbsee: by kees? [02:33] yes [02:34] Riddell: at 2.30am or so local time this morning, when i decided i really couldnt care less :P [02:34] Hobbsee: I told him on friday I would look into it, but I've been away this weekend so it's not happened yet [02:35] fair enough === Hobbsee doesnt read all chatlogs and such. [02:35] but go ahead and upload them, i dont have more bits. [02:36] it was on a private channel I think (security things tend to be) [02:37] well, that explains then. [02:38] doesn't explain why he poked you afterwards [02:38] because i'd done the last fix, and you werent here, i'd guess. *shrug*. [02:39] who knows. === Hobbsee will not comment on the canonical irc server. [02:51] Riddell: kdebluetooth is seriously broken in gutsy - we'd do better to take debian's, put our non-kubuntu patches back into that, and merge it. === sebas [i=sebas@belphegor.deadlysins.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-98-165.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Karajan [n=Sea@60.20.51.170] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:02] Riddell: what CVE are you talking about? I did the KDM one last week [03:02] nixternal: there are 3 more, which kees asked me about, and i've done nothing on yet [03:02] (and at this point, wont) [03:03] Hobbsee: can you e-mail that to tonio? [03:03] all of the KDM ones have been uploaded, so there must be another CVE then [03:03] nixternal: various ones including that one === mars_ [n=cb@LSt-Amand-152-33-21-185.w82-127.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:05] Riddell: email what to tonio? [03:05] bug 141378 is the KDM autologin one that I fixed, and it is fixed released for all releases [03:05] Launchpad bug 141378 in kdebase "[Security] KDM Password-less login vulnerability" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/141378 [03:06] nixternal: bugs #140707 and #146870 [03:06] Launchpad bug 140707 in qt-x11-free "[Qt 3, Qt 4] Potential vulnerability in QUtf8Decoder" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/140707 [03:06] Launchpad bug 146870 in kdelibs "konqueror URL bar spoofing" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/146870 [03:06] are the new ones [03:06] Hobbsee: about bluetooth not working [03:07] ah === mendred [n=mendred@59.96.99.0] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:13] ahhh, ya I did see them both actually [03:14] nixternal: I forwarded your e-mail, you should be subscribed to the dot-editors list soon [03:15] nixternal: if you want to prove your editorship credentials I have a small task that could be done [03:16] Hobbsee, Riddell : kbluetooth: AFAIK currently debian takes what kubuntu has. (at least until one week back) [03:17] allee: some of our patches are wrong. even with that one fixed, ti's not working very well === allee is sad that there's not time to work on it himself :( [03:17] allee: as for why we're maintaining blocks separately regardless, i've no idea [03:18] Hobbsee: kbt: debian is in merge only back mode only ;) [03:19] allee: oh, hmmm [03:19] Riddell: shoot it my way === allee back to find 10 disk that the raid 'lost' tonight === nixternal heads to class...back in a bit [03:25] nixternal: submit the canary islands fridge article to the dot [03:25] as a 1 paragaph pointer to the fridge article [03:25] which usually goes along the lines of "fridge is reporting foo. it says bar and concludes with thing" [03:26] expanded out to a paragraph [03:26] oh and being Dot News is has to be given a KDE spin, so highlight aaron's talk and the use of KDE in canary island schools === mendred [n=mendred@59.96.99.0] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@pD950F7DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.96.99.0] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:17] Heya [04:17] hi bddebian === \sh is now known as \sh_away [04:18] Hi Jucato [04:32] hi [04:32] hello n8k99 [04:34] how goes it Jucato? [04:34] sleepy :) [04:34] he === Vaelen [n=andrew@ppp-70-246-93-63.dsl.austtx.swbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180068201.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nosrednaekim [n=michael@01-080.200.popsite.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-51-0.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fritsch [i=w2N1YtCh@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-51-0.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OculusAquilae [n=bastian@pD9509DC2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Stecchino [n=bart@d54C56F83.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEF33B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:53] mhb: rosetta existed before pootle [06:53] (otherwise your blog is mostly accurate) === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:55] Riddell: on shipit it currently states "ShipIt is currently closed while we prepare for the Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn) release. We'll be back in a few days." surely that should say for gutsy [06:57] evening Riddell. [06:58] Riddell: could you please once again upload a version guidance? I applied the no-dualhead-on-ati patch upstream, fixed some crashers and disabled dualhead for intel too. Sadly [07:00] stdin: right you are, I wonder who's incharge of that [07:01] dunnow, but I assumed you would know more than I [07:01] I'll pass it on [07:01] glatzor: added to my todo [07:01] Riddell: thanks a lot === Dinofly [n=dinofly@mar92-13-88-165-255-149.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jussio1 [n=jussi@oul088-gw3.netplaza.fi] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi-m [n=Czessi-m@194.29.236.67] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@chello084112133091.25.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Paleo is now known as paleo === paleo is now known as Paleo === Sime [n=konversa@ip54579d1b.direct-adsl.nl] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === apachelogger [n=me@N766P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db43f0c.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === innovati [n=innovati@d193-46-180.home3.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DHGE [n=alois@i59F60F5A.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fritsch [i=HDky8ucp@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:34] allee: you are the maintainer of kdebluetooth? === mbiebl [n=michael@e180074003.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === innovati [n=innovati@d193-46-180.home3.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:47] Riddell: really? Thanks for the clarifications. [09:00] fritsch: together with others, yes. But lately I had zero time for it. [09:01] allee: i made some debugging yesterday, it seems heavily broken [09:02] allee: i have some good news though. debian unstable released a 1.0~beta8-1 package, this one makes finally makes file transfairs working for me [09:03] allee: as svn version did, but not our kubuntu version [09:03] allee: perhaps merging from debian and looking for showstopper kubuntu patches could solve this? [09:07] fritsch: Hobbsee mentioned something similar today [09:08] allee: i tried building a new svn version with "our" patches and after that, svn version stopped working file transfairs, too - though it build well [09:08] fritsch: unfortunately neither stefan nor tonio are here. I've right now no time. I'm fighting with 10 lost disk and 10TB of lost storage :( :( [09:08] allee: all the best [09:09] fritsch: thx. I'll need it [09:10] allee: max planck would turn over in his grave :-) [09:10] allee: you are some postcodes too far away, so sorry i cannot come over and help [09:10] fritsch: maybe start with what's is in debian and add kubuntu patches [09:10] allee: i see what they have [09:11] fritsch: I've put a hat over the head max planck statue next to the computer room [09:12] fritsch: where do you life in germany? === glatzor [n=renate@p54975772.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:12] allee: Karlsruhe ;-) [09:12] fritsch: ah, right. [09:13] fritsch: heh, looks like that were the (soccer) action is right now :) [09:14] allee: hehe :-) bayern kicked us [09:18] allee: all patches applied, but not the autostart patch, i think they fixed this upstream ... [09:24] allee: package working (as far as file transfair is considered) === Mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:38] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39291/ [09:42] nixternal: perfect, please submit to the dot through the contribute link [09:43] well, I might drop the "Truth of the fact" bit, sounds a bit American :) [09:44] is it? heh, my grandpa always said that [09:44] and he was a true Swede, a mean one too :) === ScottK gets a bit uneasy about the words Launchpad and Free Software being right next to each other, but it's not wrong as written. [09:45] heh [09:45] ScottK: where's that? [09:47] Riddell: what should I replace the "truth of the fact" with in order for it not to sound to american? [09:47] remember, I am american, well at least sometimes...sometimes I think I am mexican, but only when in Mexico :) [09:47] Riddell: In the KDE takes over the Azores thing on Planet. [09:47] err Fridge === Zanav26 [i=top@gateway/tor/x-d65827065718e514] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:48] "... described the Launchpad Free Software project hosting platform" [09:49] nixternal: "Truth of the fact is that KDE is taking over the Canary Islands" -> "KDE is being installed on all the school computers in the Canary Islands by... [09:49] ooh, I missed that [09:50] me too :) [09:50] gotcha [09:50] should be "Launchpad's Free Software Project hosting platform" maybe? === hunger [n=tobias@p54A7225A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:51] that wouldn't help [09:52] ... described Free Software project hosting on Ubuntu's Launchpad :) [09:52] would work [09:52] at least a little closer [09:53] I am giving a KDE 4 talk on Saturday at the University of Illinois...is there a good presentation out there I could borrow from? [09:53] aseigo has one but I don't know if he makes it generally available [09:53] I have one I created as well for a talk I gave at another campus in Chicago a couple of months ago [09:53] nixternal: Except it's Canonical's Launchpad, not Ubuntu's. Other than that, I think that's much better. [09:54] good point [09:54] ya, I thought about that after I pressed enter [10:04] Anyone having trouble with kmail and pop with TLS encryption? [10:05] I can not get my mail since I reinstalled using gutsy/beta of kubuntu:-( [10:06] hunger: What's the error? [10:06] hmm, no Lure [10:06] hunger: Lure's the man keeping an eye on kdepim [10:06] ScottK: There is none. Just a popup claiming that my server does not support TLS. [10:06] ScottK: Which it did for the last couple of years and still does afaik. [10:07] Right. [10:07] hunger: you can try newer builds from deb calvin2 [10:08] If you could get a wireshark data capture for whichever port you connect over, that could help narrow it down. [10:08] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/lure/ubuntu gutsy main [10:08] rather [10:09] Hmmm. sending mail has the same problem... No more TLS. [10:09] hunger: That I can test. === hunger has not yet seen the test results for the version on lure's server;-) [10:13] hunger: Using the current Kmail version in the Gutsy repo, sending with TLS works. Oct 1 20:11:44 mailout00 postfix/smtpd[20388] : TLS connection established from static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net[72.81.252.22] : TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits) [10:13] ScottK: I am just installing wireshark. [10:13] hunger: current kmail in gutsy works with both TLS and SSL for me too. [10:14] I knew that I had missed some important debs when installing on sunday:-) [10:14] Maybe I should ring up my ISP then... [10:18] KMail sends CAPA and gets a list of capabilities back. [10:18] Then it sends AUTH to the POP server and that replies with "-ERR Invalid command.". === hunger wonders whether that is normal. [10:20] hunger: Was AUTH on the list of capabilities? [10:21] hunger: Try it with sending. I'm more familiar with SMTP commands. [10:21] Nope. [10:22] sending fails when STARTTLS is send... Looks like my ISP has hosed something. [10:22] hunger: If you want to pastebin that one, I can probably tell you exactly what they hosed. [10:24] nixternal: are you going to submit that? === hunger shrugs. I wonder why stuff like that always happens when I reinstall my boxes. [10:37] Riddell: will do that now [10:39] ScottK: Thanks for the offer. I rang up my ISP, let's see whether he will fix it tonight. [10:39] OK [10:43] Riddell: posted [10:45] Riddell: I double posted..the first post had my name as "nixternal" and not "Richard Johnson", so if you can nix the first that would rock! === haggai_ [n=halls@213.165.247.114] has joined #kubuntu-devel === haggai_ is now known as haggai [11:18] wow, brightness changing works lovely in Gutsy [11:19] does anyone have an idea why brightness can be changed in guidance-pm, but not through shortcuts? [11:22] mhb: it just hasn't been added to kmilo [11:22] it wouldn't be hard to do [11:22] well, it would need something to act on actually, which would be non-trivial [11:27] Riddell: hmm, non-trivial - not for me. [11:28] I have already heard people talk about this strange cross-shaped cursor at startup, is that fixed yet? [11:28] sorry if I am asking too much [11:30] can't say it's on my radar [11:34] nixternal had it on his radar, AFAIK [11:34] nixternal: you did spot the "goofy mouse icon at startup" bug? Did you solve it or triage it? [11:35] nixternal: can I help with it somehow? [11:35] not on my radar...it is a boog with kblue in a python script in /usr/bin...there is an import foo line prior to the #! /usr/bin/python line [11:35] fritsch: you created a patch didn't you? [11:35] that would be fritsch's baby, he is the one who tracked it down I believe [11:35] nixternal: i talked with allee and hobsee [11:36] import is an imagemagick command to take a screenshot...if you look in your ~/ you will see a file called command, that is the screenshot it is taking [11:36] nixternal: i think taking the debian unstable version and merging our patches is the best way [11:36] nixternal: our package is just "badly broken" [11:36] /usr/bin/kblueplugd is where the issue is [11:37] nixternal: i took debian sources, applied our kubuntu patches (without the autostart one) and it is working [11:37] nixternal: no this is NOT the issue [11:37] nixternal: this fixes kdeblueplugd start, but file transfer does not work [11:37] well, I am referring to the + mouse cursor at startup [11:37] nixternal: svn is working, debian unstable version is working (recompiled on my box) [11:38] the rest of kblue* I have no clue about..I don't even have a bluetooth device in my house :) [11:38] nixternal: okay, if thyx merge from debian kblueplugd is fixed [11:38] nixternal: kblueplugd is "okay" there [11:46] nixternal: what the prob with kblueplugd? [11:47] allee: look at /usr/bin/kblueplugd [11:47] nixternal: uaargagall. What that garbage at the begin of kblueplugd. Shudder [11:47] allee: :-) [11:47] fritsch: I did. Not from me :) [11:47] hehe === allee wonders how rotatelogs is related to kbt at all [11:48] allee: i propose debian unstable packages + kubuntu patches - "kubuntu autostart patch (does not apply, seems applied)" [11:48] fritsch: btw. what this autostart problem you mentioned? [11:49] fritsch: where's you modified source? [11:49] allee: i just took the debian orig.tar.gz their diff [11:49] allee: copied over the kubuntu patches and made a package [11:50] allee: just had to left out the kubuntu_06_no_autostart patch [11:51] this is not like pros do this - but i just search for an easy way to get everything work (at least for me) [11:51] fritsch: he, this is necessary. kbluetooth.autostart.desktop start kblueooth regardless if a bt adapter is available or not [11:52] allee: mmh, mine startet without adapter present [11:53] fritsch: please remove kbluetooth.autostart.desktop from /usr/share/autostart/kbluetooth.autostart.desktop, remove the crap at the start of kblueplugd and retry [11:53] allee: with the original kubuntu package? [11:54] allee: i removed the grab yesterday, but something other is broken [11:54] fritsch: yes, that the 'problem'. without adapter there should be now kblueooth running. When plugged in kbt should be started [11:54] allee: mmh, after fixing kblueplugd - it started [11:54] allee: but, there are "functional" problems with our version [11:55] fritsch: tell me about it [11:55] allee: there are a lot of bugs, many tell about file transfer [11:55] allee: you cannot receive a file from your phone [11:55] allee: svn version works, debian unstable version works, too [11:55] allee: so, i think our version got something wrong? [11:56] allee: perhaps it is in the codebase, or a "half faulty" svn checkout :-) [11:56] fritsch: that would be really strange if it kblueplugd fault. As kblueplud only starts kbt when a bt adapter in pluged in and stop when last adapter is removed. [11:56] fritsch: ^^ that's all it does. [11:56] allee: yes, mmh, sorry for my english :-) what i want to say [11:56] allee: this is not an error in kblueplugd only :-) [11:57] allee: there is one (import ... x = ) ... but this is not all of kdebluetooth problem in kubuntu [11:57] allee: filetransfer is broken in kubuntu bluetooth sind beta3 or even earlier [11:57] allee: i get you the bug report, mom [11:58] allee: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebluetooth/+bug/146145 [11:58] Launchpad bug 146145 in kdebluetooth "Can't recive files from cell phone" [Undecided,In progress] [11:59] allee: there are two bugs "in one" ... kblueplugd and "functional problems" [12:05] allee: Wuat's going on? [12:05] what's* [12:07] kubuntu: one can't sind files via bt to kubuntu === allee never uses this (yet) [12:08] ConfirmationDlgBase::setProperty( "sizeGripEnabled", value ) failed: property invalid, read-only or does not exist [12:08] allee: seen this before ;-) [12:09] fritsch: yeah, but this happens before I confirm that I accept the push :( [12:10] allee: yes, push goes nowhere AND my nokia 6300 dies - you have to hard power off [12:10] fritsch: receiving files works with debian version + kubuntu patches (- 06 autostart patch) right? [12:10] ^^ for you [12:10] allee: yes this works for me [12:10] allee: you want to test the "deb" packages? [12:10] allee: i just dropped the 06 patch, because it did not apply :-) [12:11] fritsch: not the deb. Point me to your .diff.gz. I've the debian tarball already [12:11] allee: use the debian giff.gz and copy in the kubuntu patches ;-) [12:11] fritsch: okay [12:12] allee: i did it this way, if you get the 06 patch to apply - i ll test them [12:20] fritsch: 06 is equivalent to: rm /usr/share/autostart/kbluetooth.autostart.desktop [12:20] feel free to test this ;) [12:21] i dont like rm - it is evil, i test your package, when it is coming out [12:21] better: mv /usr/share/autostart/kbluetooth.autostart.desktop{,.away} # :) [12:26] mhmm, patch applies nicely with patch -p1 to debian and kubuntu tarball ... [12:26]