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evilidleracee1234: OK, no hints of an old drive there. Do you know if the NTFS partition is on hda or what device?12:38
ScorpKingon windows12:38
evilidleracee1234: Wait, sda112:39
evilidleracee1234: You should have it mounted on /media/sda1/12:39
ugaquixogre: I still think kubuntu should provide "backdoors" that the user could enable to do remote management from here ;)12:39
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Bleepdns: 195.121.1.66   195.121.1.6612:39
acee1234evilidler: is it not>12:39
quixogreuga hehe if you know remote IP, rsh ;)12:39
Bleepdefault gateway: 80.60.148.2512:39
denis__my vlc player is running, but i closed it, helpt whats to do? oO12:40
Mr_Sonomauh may i interject a simple thought here??? is the network software showing a active connection, IRRC i had to go to manual configuration on the networking icon in the lower right and set it to automatically "activate when computer starts" or you had to right click on the Knetworkmanager and select wired or wireless network depending on what system you were running in order to get the computer talking to the network/internet.12:40
evilidleracee1234: From a terminal, try: sudo mount -t ntfs-3g /dev/sda1 /mnt/12:40
ScorpKingBleep: thats odd. the gateway should be the router ip12:40
denis__i can't get my dvd out of my pc12:40
Bleepactually that's my pc's ip12:40
ugaquixogre: that'd require to provide passwords. Not good12:40
evilidlerdenis__: If it's showing on the desktop, rightclick and select eject12:40
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denis__no it's not12:40
denis__i just can here the sound12:41
Bleepim confused lol...12:41
denis__but no picture and no program12:41
quixogreuga, or setup a temporary user....then again, thats opening a completely DIFFERENT can of worms12:41
ScorpKingBleep: are both boxes connected to the same router?12:41
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denis__oh you mean the dvd12:41
denis__when i click eject12:41
quixogreScorpKing: he has to remove network cable from one, to connect the other. thus the multiple bleeps12:41
ugaquixogre: I was thinking in the krfb invitations - line12:41
denis__there comes an eror12:41
Bleep:p12:41
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acee1234evilidler: http://pastebin.com/m2faa4d7312:42
ScorpKinguga: ssh will do tho. :P12:42
quixogreuga, not familair with that. whats it do?12:42
denis__umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy12:42
denis__umount: /media/cdrom0: device is busy12:42
acee1234evilidler: force?12:42
ugaquixogre: run "krfb" and you'll see12:42
evilidlerquixogre: Hold it..I suspect what's wrong is that he's not RELEASING old IPs, and that might mess up12:42
yamaldenis__: and please do follow up on that bug report if you can, it's still marked incomplete (and thus unconfirmed) so your input can actually be valuable.12:42
denis__evilidler:12:42
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denis__yamal12:42
ibilicwhat's the file where all the partition information is?12:42
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ugaquixogre: remove desktop access. vnc-like, but it lets access to the running desktop12:42
denis__i don't know anything about linux12:42
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ugaquixogre: s/remove/remote12:43
denis__i have installed it today the first time12:43
acee1234why did evilidler go poof?12:43
evilidleracee1234: OK, what's the output from "mount -a"12:43
evilidleracee1234: Because I hit ctrl-w, thinking I was in the browser!12:43
ScorpKingBleep: so the linux box connects to the xp box which have internet?12:43
acee1234evilidler ah12:43
Bleepno12:43
ScorpKing?12:43
Bleepjust disconnect the plug for xp computer12:43
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ScorpKingoh12:44
ibilicnevermind it's fstab12:44
Bleepso its modem > eth0 laptop12:44
ugaScorpKing: TDSA12:44
SilsaWhat can I install as far as antispyware and virus?12:44
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ugaScorpKing: (Time Division Single Access) =)12:44
evilidlerSilsa: ?12:44
ugavs TDMA12:44
ScorpKingBleep: what is the routers ip? 10.0.0.?12:44
acee1234evilidler: http://pastebin.com/m4ca6cce812:44
Mr_SonomaScorpKing, Bleep uga did you see my thought i posted?? overly simple yes, but sometimes the simple is overlooked =)12:44
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Silsaevilidler: ?12:45
Bleepuh router?12:45
ugaMr_Sonoma: what?12:45
Mr_Sonomauga, uh may i interject a simple thought here??? is the network software showing a active connection, IRRC i had to go to manual configuration on the networking icon in the lower right and set it to automatically "activate when computer starts" or you had to right click on the Knetworkmanager and select wired or wireless network depending on what system you were running in order to get the computer talking to the network/internet.12:45
ScorpKingi did12:45
evilidleracee1234: Wait, I meant "df". Yep. Slip of the fingers. They're so close!12:45
quixogreMr_Sonoma: way past that. but good idea12:46
ugaMr_Sonoma: oh, we're setting it all up from cmd line12:46
ugano gui involved12:46
ScorpKingBleep: the little box that gives you internet.12:46
evilidlerSilsa: What viruses and spyware do you need to protect against?12:46
ugaMr_Sonoma: dhclient directly... etc12:46
Bleep10.0.0.13812:46
ibilicwhat's a partition manager for Kubuntu that can create partitions?12:46
acee1234evilidler so whats the command?12:46
evilidleracee1234: df - just those two letters12:46
quixogreevilidler: what if someone tries to install windows on my boxen whilst im sleeping????12:46
Silsaevilidler: Umm... all of them. I'm new to linux and am not sure what's good to use12:46
ScorpKingBleep: so if you go to that address you can cofigure the router?12:47
evilidlerSilsa: Linux IS your protection.12:47
Bleepyes12:47
ugaibilic: parted/qtparted12:47
Mr_Sonoma=) ok well i just sat down and scrolled back up and didnt see where that had been gone over but did see what looked like he was a new user and thought to myself what's the most overly simple thing that us more experiance users might just "assume/overlook" thats all12:47
ScorpKingconfigure*12:47
Mr_Sonomai'll let yall have it =)12:47
quixogresilsa hehe there arent very many virii for linux. not to say they dont exist, but when one comes out, the "12:47
BluesKaj!virus12:47
ubotuA/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=2112:47
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denis__heelp :(12:47
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Silsaevilidler: So you're saying i'll never need an anti-virus or spyware protectioin because im using linux? Somehow i find that hard to believe12:47
evilidlerThere are no viruses "in the wild" because "the wild" on Linux is like a harsh planet with no atmosphere12:47
ugaMr_Sonoma: thatnks to knetworkmanager lots of confusions like that happen, you're right. Thanks for noting12:47
ScorpKingBleep: will you be able to pastebin the dhcp config page on the router?12:48
evilidlerSilsa: Different security model. You don't do ANYTHING but installing system software as root, optimally.12:48
BluesKajSilsa, read above12:48
acee1234evilidler: http://pastebin.com/m45e8f9c112:48
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ubuntu__hello12:48
quixogreSilsa: the community as a whole tends to not worry about viruses, because very few viruses can survive long in linux. the community as a whole is fairly well educated, and tends to destroy them too quick for them to become a nuisance12:48
ubuntu__problems intstalling gutsy beta12:49
SilsaOk12:49
ugaSilsa: it's nice to install clamav and scan any weird files you may receive, to inform your colleagues. But you won't need an actively scanning antivirus12:49
denis__HEEELP!!!12:49
ubuntu__the screen comes up blank12:49
evilidleracee1234: What's on disk sda and what's on sdb? Let's find out..12:49
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ubuntu__when doing the live cd12:49
ugaSilsa: if you want something to scan what's happenning in yoru network, you can install snort12:49
ubuntu__on more that one pc12:49
ScorpKingSilsa: there are a few virusses for linux but they are VERY rare.12:49
evilidleracee1234: "sudo fdisk /dev/sda" first, and type "p" and enter in it12:49
Mr_Sonomadenis__, what is your problem? if you ask a question you might get help.12:49
ScorpKingSilsa: they are not in the wild. :P12:49
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evilidlerUnless you run viruses as root, they don't survive. Full stop.12:50
SilsaWell, what's good to use as far as a firewall that alerts me of new connection attempts and allows me to select whether they are allowed or not as they happen?12:50
Silsaand thx for the info on viruses12:50
denis__i asked a question^^12:50
quixogrethose who run viruses as root are idiots, and the rules of survival the fittest cull them quickly12:50
denis__but no one could help so far Mr_Sonoma12:50
denis__two modules are lost in the systemsettings12:50
acee1234evilidler: http://pastebin.com/mff125c512:50
com64hey all im pretty new to linux and I'm having a prob that even my linux-addicted techie friend can't figure out... i've just been mucking around online, had a few windows open etc and then boom - graphics fail, panels and icons disappear, and never come back.12:50
ugaSilsa: a nice firewall system that does logging is shorewall, but you'd need to configure it, and it won't popup alerts12:51
evilidlerSilsa: You'll find we have a society quite like cavemen here, but it's all for the greater good ;)12:51
quixogresilsa, if you want a popup everytime an application tries to run, get windows vista12:51
ScorpKingBleep: ? still here?12:51
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ScorpKinglol12:51
tomeri guess gutsy is not ready for prime time yet12:51
Bleephere: http://pastebin.com/d1be321312:51
tomersimple live cd does not work, even12:51
ugaSilsa: if each time a box got tried by an attacker you had a popup, you'd go nuts. I read snort alerts now and then and I can get hundreds12:51
tomerwho decided to release it?12:51
ibilicok how do I use qtparted to create a new fat32 partition... it tells me that it is a virtual partition12:51
Silsaquixogre: That's not what i want... if i download an app that sends traffic through a certain port i'd want a firewall to pop up once the first time it's ran to ask me if i want to allow it or not...12:51
evilidleracee1234: "quit" to leave that program - we now know that sda1 and sda3 are NTFS partitions12:52
quixogrebbiaf., wife needs to print, and neither of my fscking printers is linux friendly12:52
ugaSilsa: there's no tools like that for linux, afaik12:52
ugaSilsa: I understand what you mean now12:52
ugayou'd need to check what failed and open it yourself, manually12:52
evilidleracee1234: Now edit the /etc/fstab as root to change sda2 to sda1, and maybe add another entry for sda3 just like it12:52
quixogresilsa, if you dont know how to confingure a firewall properly, then i see your point. me personally, i'd rather set it, forget it, and not have ANY annoying pop-ups12:53
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acee1234evilidler: sudo kate /ect/fstab?12:53
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evilidleracee1234: kdesu kate is better12:53
Wendyhello all12:53
Silsaquixogre: If that's the way things work then im all for it. What would be the best bet to get again then?12:53
Wendytrying to install gutsy beta.. no luck so far... any ideas...? using the livecd12:54
ugaSilsa: you can use something like Alerttail, which alerts you each time a file (a firewall log file) changes12:54
quixogresilsa, im old school....but if you need a gui front end then try !Guarddog12:54
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acee1234evilidler: didnt do anything12:54
quixogre!guarddog12:54
ubotuUbuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).12:54
Silsauga: Ah cool, that'll help me out. Thx12:54
evilidlerI've found the quality of Ubuntu betas to be inversely proportional to the end-product at release. In other words, betas suck and releases rock.12:54
Wendyyes sure seems taht way12:54
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JimmyDee_as opposed to the inverse at microsoft12:55
Wendyscreen goes blank right after the boot.. and then it is dead12:55
quixogreokies. bbl all12:55
evilidleracee1234: OK, try "sudo nano /etc/fstab", modify sda2 to read sda1, ctrl-o to save (enter) and ctrl-x12:55
ScorpKingBleep: Set Addresses :10.0.0.50 and Through to 10.0.0.55 so you don't have so much and make Subnetmask 255.255.255.012:55
ugaSilsa: http://alerttail.sourceforge.net/images/screenshots/mixed.jpeg12:55
Silsauga: Nice thx. Also I assume it's "sudo apt-get install guarddog" to install guarddog?12:56
evilidleralerttail looks neat :)12:56
Bleepok done.12:56
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ScorpKingBleep: and set the gateway to the address of the router for dhcp clients. write down what you change so you can change it back if it doesn't work.12:57
ugaSilsa: yes12:57
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evilidlerI'm afraid I'd waste all my bandwidth quota staring at it, though :P12:57
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acee1234evilidler: for all instances of sda1?12:57
evilidleracee1234: There should be only one you care about. Any line starting with # is ignored.12:57
acee1234this line? /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 auto users,atime,noauto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 012:58
ScorpKingBleep: o ya, and set dns to router ip as well :)12:58
Bleepi didnt get that last one. uh setting the gateway to the adress of the router for dhcp clients?12:58
evilidleracee1234: That line SHOULD be fine as it is.12:58
acee1234evilidler: im confused then as to which line im editing12:59
ScorpKingBleep: Def. Gateway  router.ip   DNS server   router.ip12:59
evilidleracee1234: You have an sda1 and sda3 partition, so a similar line for sda3 should get you both partitions12:59
ScorpKingBleep: the router will then handle dns for clients12:59
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Bleepo you mean i have to set that for eth0 in knetworkmanager?12:59
evilidleracee1234: If that's what it looks like now, ctrl-o, enter, ctrl-x and see if "mount -a" does anything12:59
ScorpKingBleep: no. on the router01:00
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ScorpKingBleep: eth0 will get it from the router01:00
Quixogreim back. running on *shudders* windows now01:00
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Bleepyou mean the part below at01:00
BleepAddresses :10.0.0.1   through   10.255.255.25401:00
BleepSubnetmask 255.0.0.0   Lease time   720001:00
BleepDef. Gateway  auto   DNS server   auto01:00
evilidleracee1234: But the first auto can be replaced with ntfs-3g to ensure it picks the right filesystem01:00
Bleepoops sorry01:00
ScorpKingBleep: lol. yes that01:01
evilidlerQuixogre: Why?01:01
acee1234evilidler: i have a sda1 entry an sda2 entry and a sda4 entry are you wanting me to copy one and switch out the sda# for sda3?01:01
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Wendyhas anyone had luck making kubuntu an L2TP client01:01
Quixogreevil running on winders01:01
Wendyfor vpn?01:01
Bleephttp://pastebin.com/d1be3213  at client lease table01:01
evilidleracee1234: Yep, ctrl-k, ctrl-u, ctrl-u should get you a copy :)01:01
Wendyu know, like windows has this "vpn client" that you open, put your vpn server01:02
Wendyand vallah you connetc..01:02
Wendyhow to do the same in lkubuntu?01:02
evilidlerQuixogre: But why are you in there? I feel dirty doing other things than gaming there :P01:02
ScorpKingBleep: that's still wrong01:02
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Bleepbut what should i add?01:02
Quixogreevil wife needed to print. and neither of my printers support linux01:02
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ScorpKingBleep: Set Addresses :10.0.0.50 and Through to 10.0.0.55 so you don't have so much and make Subnetmask 255.255.255.001:02
evilidlerQuixogre: Ah. That old problem.01:03
ScorpKingBleep: Def. Gateway  router.ip   DNS server   router.ip01:03
TimberDumb question but how do i check my ip address in kubuntu?01:03
Bleepive set that already01:03
acee1234evilidler: so i added this...# Entry for /dev/sda3 :01:03
acee1234UUID=10F083EDF083D77E /media/sda3 ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 101:03
WendyTimber: open terminal and type ifconfig01:03
evilidleracee1234: One more change needed there01:03
BluesKajQuixogre, which printers are they?01:03
evilidleracee1234: Change the UUID=<number> bit to read /dev/sda301:03
Wendyok this channel has like no help whatsoever01:03
Wendyyou guys are not very helpful are you01:04
QuixogreBluesKaj both are dell printers. ones model 1100 laser, others one of those "all in one" jobbers01:04
evilidleracee1234: It should then be "/dev/sda3 /media/sda3 ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 1"01:04
ScorpKingBleep: if it's changed try the linux box again. :) run sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart01:04
TimberWendy: Thx01:04
Wendyok fine... leaving this place... its depressing and unhelpful01:04
acee1234evilidler: ok01:04
Bleepok brb01:04
Wendy#join vpn01:04
BluesKaj!patience | Wendy01:04
ubotuWendy: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines01:04
evilidlerQuixogre: Still looking for that elusive all-in-one that works in Ubuntu. Found one that's almost. Just the scanner isn't working properly :/01:05
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evilidlerIf noone knows, noone can really answer anything helpful01:05
Quixogrelol evilidler...i've given up... especially sicne the wifes printing from vista01:05
evilidlerQuixogre: Filthy!01:05
acee1234i get the same mount -a error01:05
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acee1234ill paste bin the edited file to make sure i did it right01:06
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Quixogreevilidler she likes it...its listed as one of the irreconcilable differences in the divorce papers01:06
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evilidlerThe poor designer need Flash tools, while everybody else could survive with Linux on a stick and Firefox01:06
evilidlerQuixogre: Hehe01:06
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acee1234evilidler: http://pastebin.com/m71a9b41401:07
evilidlerMy Kubuntu desktop is prettier than that MS thing, anyway.01:07
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Quixogrebrb. switching back. she's done printing01:07
BluesKajWendy, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/VPN-HOWTO/01:07
evilidleracee1234: A "mount -a" should now mount all unmounted devices.01:08
ScorpKingacee1234: that will give you problems01:08
evilidlerScorpKing: Where are the errors? Need food. brain going.01:08
acomacoanyone know of a utility that shows Cpu Usage etc? Clock and so on? i've seen some screenshots on it but i can't figure what to search for..01:08
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evilidleracomaco: Keywords like "monitor" might help. Or "sensors"01:08
acomacothx01:09
ScorpKingevilidler: which one gives the errors? i'll fix it on pastebin.01:09
acee1234scorpking: what do you mean01:09
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ScorpKing<device> <mount\040point> auto nouser,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0 won't work01:09
ScorpKingand /dev/sda3 /media/sda3 ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 1 needs uid=1000,gid=100001:10
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acomacoevilidler: Could you recommend any?01:10
acee1234scorpking what do i do?01:10
BluesKajacomaco,install ksensors01:10
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acomacoBluesKaj: thx01:12
bleep1scorp no luck01:12
bleep1however when i type ifconfig01:12
ScorpKingacee1234: one sec.01:12
ScorpKingbleep1: ur on xp?01:12
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bleep1it shows inet addr:10.0.0.50 at eth001:13
BluesKajheh vista is a hog for sure :Microsoft announced on Thursday that it will now extend the sale of XP to June 30, 2008.01:13
bleep1now i am01:13
ScorpKingbleep1: whats the gateway?01:13
ScorpKingrouter ip?01:13
bleep1on the router it was set AUTO01:14
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ScorpKingbleep1: the problem is linux does not get the gateway or dns01:14
Tm_TBluesKaj: I would really love to see you regularly in #kubuntu-offtopic ;)01:14
bleep1so i should replace AUTO  with an excisting IP?01:16
ScorpKingbleep1: let me explain...01:16
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ScorpKingbleep1: the router needs to give the boxes a gateway so they can connect. this is usually the same ip as the router unless you have another computer on the net that has the main internet.01:17
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Dr_willisGateway = ip of router, i even use dns server ip = router ip.01:18
ScorpKingbleep1: so you might have to set AUTO to the ip of the router so that it will tell the dhcp clients where to go to get internet.01:18
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ScorpKingacee1234: that file is messed up. pastebin the output from mount for me as well01:19
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ScorpKingacee1234: so i can see what is mounted right now. :)01:19
bleep1i presume the IP is the same as the router setup page? 10.0.0.13801:19
evilidlerMeh. Damn ISPs.01:19
ScorpKingbleep1: true01:19
bleep1ah ok01:20
evilidlerScorpKing: Where are we in the horror story of the fstab from Heck?01:20
ScorpKingevilidler: i need the output from mount01:20
bleep1brb01:20
ScorpKingok01:20
ScorpKingacee1234: you still here?01:21
acee1234scorpking yes sorry was munching01:22
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ScorpKingnp01:22
acee1234ScorpKing: which file/01:22
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ScorpKingacee1234: run mount01:23
ScorpKingacee1234: and pastebin the output01:23
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acee1234scorpking: http://pastebin.com/m275b37bf01:24
Bleephmm im gonna quit for now... its getting late01:24
Bleepthnx  for the help anyway scorp01:25
ScorpKingbleep1: np. see you next time. :)01:26
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ScorpKingacee1234: thanks. that helps. almost done...01:26
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acee1234scorpking : the thank is all mine01:27
acee1234scorpking : minus my typing skills01:28
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ScorpKingacee1234: lol. np. try this - http://pastebin.com/m7071ccb301:28
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knubcan anyone help me here: i have read about the flash plugin crashing konqueror. when konqueror, with the flash plugin, goes loading a page with flash in it, konqueror crashes. anyone have a clue how the solution could be? i read something saying there is not solution, but i already saw it work. how there is not a solution?01:31
ScorpKingevilidler and acee1234: here is some usefull info on mounting ntfs - http://www.linux-faqs.com/faq/misc/ntfs.php01:31
MinatakuHm01:32
evilidlerScorpKing: Thanks, but I think I can manage without it from now on. Suppressing any remaining knowledge of it :)01:32
Minataku!seen Dr_willis01:32
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about seen dr_willis - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:32
MinatakuOh, he's (supposedly) here01:32
MinatakuDr_willis: You there?01:32
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ScorpKingevilidler: i never use it myself. lol. no more MS for me! :D01:33
evilidlerScorpKing: I just have a gaming computer separate from the real workstation, this Ubuntu box01:33
MinatakuIf it's a PC, it's not a workstation01:34
evilidlerMy definition is "the computer that lets me do my job properly"01:34
MinatakuPCs are general purpose commodity hardware01:34
evilidlerThe unstable POS is not that01:34
MinatakuWeak and underpowered compared to an actual Unix workstation such as UltraSPARC-based offerings from Sun01:35
evilidlerBut so much more affordable, and who needs to compile faster than instantly? ;)01:35
ScorpKingMinataku: not Personal Computer?01:35
MinatakuSorry, I've got _real_ Unix workstations... once you've used one, you'll never understand how you ever managed with a PC01:35
Minatakulol01:35
ScorpKingMinataku: i gues some are not so lucky. :P01:36
MinatakuI've got a SPARCstation LX running about 1m away :301:36
evilidlerMy Ubuntu box does its job, and it's fast enough for what I need to throw at it.01:36
MinatakuSorry, I'm just harping on semantics, really X301:37
MinatakuAnd showing off01:37
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MinatakuLike with Haruko, the aforementioned SPARCstation LX01:37
hydrogentopic please!01:37
MinatakuWith her MicroSPARC-I @ 50MHz01:37
ScorpKing!ot01:37
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!01:37
ScorpKinglol01:37
hydrogenthe size of your epeen is not measured in the amount of old computers you have01:37
Minataku!ot | hydrogen01:38
ubotuhydrogen: please see above01:38
ScorpKinglol01:38
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hydrogenubotu: if you insist.... but thers lots of foolish conversation "above".. can  you point me to a specific place?01:38
Administratoris it possible to open up a ntfs formatted external HD with kubuntu01:38
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hydrogenyes01:38
Administratorhow?01:38
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hydrogendo you need read-write access or just readonly?01:39
Administratorhow can i access the panel to see what are all the HDs that are connected and be able to browse them01:39
Administratorread-write01:39
hydrogen!ntfs01:39
ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse01:39
hydrogen!ntfs-3g01:39
ubotuntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions01:39
hydrogenthat one ^01:39
ScorpKingand this one http://www.linux-faqs.com/faq/misc/ntfs.php01:39
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Administratorthere is no "my computer" type of thing?01:40
crazy_busI tried to install kubuntu 7.10 beta with the alternate cd.  It all went well until the last 16%.  It seemed to download off the internet.  I have a slow internet connection and it was downloading for over a hour.  Is there anyway to install without downloading?01:40
acee1234scorpkiing: didnt work ill pastebin what i did01:40
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hydrogenyou need to configure your computer first01:40
hydrogenthen you will be able to see it in konqueror01:40
ScorpKingacee1234: ok01:40
acee1234ScorpKing: http://pastebin.com/m6ac4405001:41
hydrogenin media:/01:41
evilidlercrazy_bus: Look for a DVD with the beta, maybe. But it IS a beta.01:41
ScorpKingacee1234: which one are you trying to mount?01:41
crazy_bushow much does it have to download.  As cd's never seemed to download more than the package lists during install before.01:41
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acee1234the larger ntfs01:42
notvwhats up with gutsy?01:42
notvdoes it come out in a few days or what01:42
acee1234ScorpKing: the larger ntfs01:42
notvdo you think if i get gutsy now it will be any different than the official release?01:43
ScorpKingacee1234: /dev/sda3?01:43
ScorpKingacee1234: or /dev/sda1?01:43
ScorpKingacee1234: what happens if you type sudo mount /dev/sda301:43
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acee1234ScorpKing: i dont know how to tell but its the one thats about 70GB01:44
evilidlercrazy_bus: Considering how much better upgrades are working nowadays, I'd install a stable edition, latest possible, and then dist-upgrade from there. Make sure the base install is a minimal non-GUI installation and let it download everything in one go.01:44
ScorpKingacee1234: there are two ntfs ones.01:44
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ScorpKingacee1234: run sudo mount -a and pastebin the output.01:45
acee1234ScorpKing: http://pastebin.com/m1377fcf901:45
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evilidleracee1234: sda3 is broken :(01:46
acee1234ScorpKing: http://pastebin.com/m3ba30a7e01:46
ScorpKingacee1234: does mount show /dev/sda1 as mounted?01:46
Administratori cant find !fuse01:47
Creationist225I was dual-booting Feisty/XP but now I'm trying to upgrade both to Gutsy/Vista.  After installing Vista, though, I can not boot into it because GRUB issues an Error 22.  I completely removed all my partitions before installing Windows so I don't know how to get rid of GRUB.  Anyone have any input?01:47
evilidlerI'm wondering if a reboot into Windows, diskcheck and then back would help01:47
Administratoris there a way to download ntfs-config?01:47
Administratori got adept package manager01:47
ScorpKingacee1234: run ls /dev/ | grep sda01:48
crazy_bus_sorry for some reason my internet disconnected.  Does anyone know how much the installer downloads and if their is anyway to bypass it as the dvd is too big for me to get at the moment01:48
ScorpKingacee1234: is sda sda1 sda2 sda3 there?01:48
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acee1234sda...sda1...sda2...sda3...sda401:48
evilidlercrazy_bus_: The amount of packages to download for a beta version might be too large for you, then. They're in constant flux, I bet01:49
Administratorthere a way to download ntfs config?01:49
acee1234evilidler: what do you mean its broken? i can boot on it just fine01:49
ScorpKingacee1234: change sda3 to sda4 in fstab01:49
crazy_bus_is there anyway to install without downloading the newer packages.  And download them later?01:49
evilidleracee1234: ntfs-3g can't recognise a partition on it, anyway01:50
ScorpKingacee1234: lol. no01:50
ScorpKingacee1234: uhm...01:50
evilidlerAdministrator: sudo apt-get install ntfs-config01:50
Administratordo i need to have the internet connected?01:50
Administratoror is it internally?01:50
acee1234ScorpKing: change or dont?01:50
ScorpKingdon't01:50
evilidlerAdministrator: If you installed from a DVD, you probably have that on it and just stick it in.01:50
Administratorit was a cd01:51
ScorpKingacee1234: run sudo cfdisk /dev/sda but don't change a thing. pastebin what you see.01:51
Administratorkubuntu01:51
evilidlerAdministrator: If you installed from a CD, I dunno if ntfs stuff is part of your distro. Was it 7.04?01:51
Creationist225I was dual-booting Feisty/XP but now I'm trying to upgrade both to Gutsy/Vista.  After installing Vista, though, I can not boot into it because GRUB issues an Error 22.  I completely removed all my partitions before installing Windows so I don't know how to get rid of GRUB.  Anyone have any input?01:51
Administratoryeah01:51
evilidlerAdministrator: Only one way to find out. Try it :)01:51
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Administratork01:51
evilidlerAdministrator: You can't harm your system if it can't find a package.01:52
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acee1234ScorpKing: FATAL ERROR: Bad primary partition 2: Partition ends in the final partial cylind01:52
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Creationist225...how can I completely remove GRUB from my drive?01:52
ScorpKingacee1234: ugh. run chkdsk from windows.01:53
ScorpKingCreationist225: overwrite it with another bootloader01:53
evilidlerCould be problems related to partitioning, but a consistency check in Win should help01:53
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Administratornope it doesnt have the package01:54
Administratorso when i use sudo it searches internally?01:54
Administratoronly01:54
acee1234ScorpKing: not possible its too messed up, i need to format it at some point will that help?01:54
evilidlerAdministrator: Its dependencies are probably few. You could try getting it from a repository on another computer.01:54
evilidlerAdministrator: No, it's just that your system, when installed from CD, only adds the CD as a repository01:54
Administratorhow i access the repository?01:54
mr_butteryour all using KDE? wicked01:55
evilidlerAdministrator: Moving into advanced territory here :)01:55
ScorpKingacee1234: yes but change the partition layout while you're at it01:55
Administratorhow? im a newb :p01:55
ScorpKingacee1234: will you keep the box deul boot?01:55
ScorpKingduel*01:55
Administratordual01:55
ScorpKingor whatever01:55
evilidleracee1234: Make all partitions with one program, just to allocate space. Install Windows first, simply formatting what you beed, then install Linux01:56
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Doctor_Nickuggghhhh01:56
Doctor_Nicki cannot wait until gutsy comes out01:56
evilidlerAdministrator: Finding the packages is a hell of job ;)01:56
Doctor_Nickso i can upgrade alsa and the kernel01:56
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Administratorok so how i do that?01:56
ScorpKingAdministrator: sudo aptitude search package01:56
evilidlerAdministrator: I think it's better to just burn a DVD of the 7.04 distro if you can't connect the Linux box to the net01:56
acee1234ScorpKing: yes01:56
Administratorif i do connect it to the net01:57
Administratorand perform the exact command again01:57
Administratorwill it search the net repositories?01:57
evilidlerAdministrator: Then you just open Adept and add repositories..and all is well01:57
crazy_bus_if I unplug my modem when I install the beta will it not download all the updated packages so that I can boot into gutsy and then update them?01:57
ScorpKingacee1234: what size is the disk?01:57
Administratorhow i add them lol01:57
evilidlerAdministrator: Worry about that when you have the Linux computer connected - you can IRC from there ;)01:58
evilidlercrazy_bus_: Huh?01:58
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ScorpKingcrazy_bus_: do you want to update the gusty ones? then yes, you can01:58
Administratorfuck kubuntu going to use ubuntu01:58
Administratorno more crazy stupid shit01:58
ScorpKing!ohmy01:58
acee1234ScorpKing:  100GB01:58
ubotuPlease watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.01:58
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crazy_bus_I just want to be able to boot into gutsy and not be stuck in the text installer for 10 hours01:59
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evilidlerYou'll find Ubuntu has exactly the same packages..we use the same repositories and builds of the installer CDs01:59
ScorpKingacee1234: boot from the live cd. then...01:59
Administratoryeah but im more used to ubuntu01:59
mr_butterwatch language01:59
mr_butterthat's seriosu01:59
mr_buttereffort01:59
Administratorit has a better gui01:59
acee1234ScorpKing: and do what01:59
ScorpKingacee1234: i type slow. lol01:59
Administratorif i connect the linux box to the internet and type in the command "sudo apt-get install ntfs-config"01:59
acee1234ScorpKing: no01:59
evilidlercrazy_bus_: Once you start updating, just let it download everything. Updating WILL take a while.01:59
Administratorits going to search the internet or not?02:00
acee1234ScorpKing: np02:00
mr_butteranyone else have a problem with Amsn in kubuntu?02:00
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evilidlercrazy_bus_: Installing a simple installation and then getting kubuntu-desktop before making the changes to upgrade to beta gives yoy a decent desktop, though02:00
evilidlerAdministrator: No, you will need to add repository lines. There is a good tutorial on the Ubuntu wiki.02:00
crazy_bus_can you give me a rough time of how long it will download in the text installer.  Also will the final release have to download things like this before it boots up.  Or will you be able to update once you have booted in like previous releases?02:01
ScorpKingacee1234: make the root partition / (sda1) about 10GB. make /home (sda2) about 30GB (depending how much you need for xp). make a swap partition (sda3) about 1GB and one for windows (sda4) the rest. then just install xp on sda4 first before you install linux.02:02
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evilidlercrazy_bus_: Depends on your bandwidth and how much you install. But if we say core system+KDE, that's probably up to 400MB02:02
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crazy_bus_how come it's never downloaded packages during the install before?02:03
acee1234ScorpKing: alright02:03
acee1234ScorpKing: than you for your help02:03
acee1234ScorpKing: ill do a backup and format it all02:03
evilidlercrazy_bus_: Solar flares?02:03
ScorpKingacee1234: np. i have to go now. good luck. :)02:03
ScorpKingnite guys!02:04
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administrator_ok i got the internet connected02:04
administrator_now what?02:04
crazy_bus_so will I have to download all these things during all installs from now on.  Or only with alpha's and beta's?02:04
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peter_can anyone tell me how to create .iso file from folders on ubuntu...?02:05
acee1234Evilidler: thank you aswell02:05
administrator_evilidler what do i do now to get the repositories?02:06
evilidleradministrator_: In Kubuntu or Ubuntu?02:07
jhutchins!easysources | administrator_02:07
notvis there a gutsy channel?02:07
ubotuadministrator_: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic02:07
evilidlerpeter_: K3B is the program02:07
jhutchinsnotv: ubuntu+102:07
administrator_kubuntu02:07
jhutchinsnotv: It's combined k|ubuntu.02:08
evilidleradministrator_: Follow the nice link jhutchins gave you and have Adept open to enter the sources into02:08
jhutchinsadministrator_: or sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list (isn't it?)02:08
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evilidlerkdesu for graphical programs02:09
administrator_its only for ubuntu02:09
evilidlerUbuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu. Same repositories, different choice of desktops.02:09
evilidlerSame core programs. No differences.02:09
tekteenI install both02:09
tekteenbut use kde more02:10
evilidlerI'm just eternally stuck on KDE now. It works for me.02:10
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evilidlerWhen I had a weaker system, built from spare parts, XFCE was nice.02:10
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administrator_ok i think i got them02:11
tekteendoes anyone know how to download the debs of programs and their dependencies without install.02:11
tekteenI want to make a cd with them02:11
Dr_willisthresx an apt-get -d option I think02:11
Dr_willis!info aptcd02:11
tekteenfor mass install02:11
ubotuPackage aptcd does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas02:11
Dr_willis!info apt-cd02:11
ubotuPackage apt-cd does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas02:11
evilidleradministrator_: If they're entered, update+upgrade, then look for the programs you need02:11
Dr_willisTheres an Apt cd tool.. somewhere. :)02:11
Dr_willis!find aptcd02:11
ubotuPackage/file aptcd does not exist in feisty02:12
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tekteenno02:12
administrator_how i update and upgrade?02:12
Dr_willisaptoncd - Installation disc creator for packages downloaded via APT02:12
tekteenit needs to have a script for install02:12
tekteennot aptoncd02:12
Dr_willisgood luck then.02:12
Dr_willis:)02:12
tekteenthis is for mass installs of kubuntu02:12
evilidleradministrator_: In Adept, click Fetch Updates, then Apply Changes02:12
administrator_kk02:13
tekteenI need a script an "idiot" could use02:13
administrator_its gray for some reason02:13
tekteenlol02:13
Dr_willisI got a little script that scans a machine for what packages it has.. writes them to a file. then another script that reads/installs them from that list.02:13
evilidlerIdiots have so many ideas..can't account for them all02:13
Dr_willisBut it does download them all. Its just a script for the apt-getting part.02:13
administrator_yeah its just gray02:13
tekteenIs there an easy way to down them to a folder02:13
Dr_willisif i had a apt-caching fileserver.. that would speed it up a lot.02:13
tekteenthe rest I can do02:14
evilidleradministrator_: No changes to perform, then. Which is good. Just search for ntfs-config02:14
tekteenI do not want to down by hand02:14
administrator_there isnt anything02:14
tekteenok02:14
tekteenthanks02:14
evilidleradministrator_: No ntfs-config?02:14
administrator_no02:15
evilidleradministrator_: Then you didn't add the universe repository02:15
administrator_lol how i do that?02:15
evilidleradministrator_: Go to the Adept menu and Manage repositories02:15
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administrator_its also gray02:16
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evilidlerTick the boxes down the list to get everything, then run another update after closing the config02:16
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evilidleradministrator_: What is?02:16
MinatakuDr_willis: :D02:16
administrator_manage repositories02:16
MinatakuWhat's up?02:16
MinatakuWhere are my Amigas? XD02:16
tv_I have two users on my system.  How do I eliminate internet access completely from one of the users?02:16
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evilidleradministrator_: That's weird. Did you enter your password when starting Adept?02:17
administrator_yes02:17
administrator_ok got it up now02:17
administrator_what now02:17
administrator_?02:17
evilidleradministrator_: Select all repositories02:18
administrator_they been02:18
administrator_now what?02:18
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evilidlerUniverse definitely selected? Then close. Fetch updates.02:18
administrator_should it be download from: main server?02:18
administrator_yes02:18
evilidlerTick everything ON.02:18
evilidlerAll options.02:18
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administrator_kk done02:18
administrator_where should i download it from?02:18
yonkeltronare there plans for jruby integration?02:18
administrator_main server?02:18
evilidlerPick a nearby server for speed.02:19
administrator_kk02:19
administrator_ill justy say main server02:19
MinatakuDr_willis: Come on, don't dodge me... :(02:19
administrator_and just click reset?02:20
administrator_evilidler?02:20
administrator_or click close?02:20
evilidleradministrator_: CLOSE. Reset undoes everything you did ;)02:20
administrator_kk02:20
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administrator_kk downloading02:20
Dr_willishay Minataku02:20
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Dr_willisbeen fighting with the wifes CELL phone for the last 2 days02:20
MinatakuDr_willis: Heh02:20
MinatakuI hate cellphones02:20
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MinatakuHaha02:21
administrator_yes i see :D02:21
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Dr_willisExpecsa ya to know EVERYTHING about the phone she just got.. but WONT let me even touch the phone.02:21
MinatakuDr_willis: Typical02:21
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administrator_ok evilidler i got  it :D02:22
administrator_but it wont open the config tool :(02:22
evilidleradministrator_: Boo. Run as root?02:22
MinatakuDr_willis: Any word on those Amigas? (Sorry, but I _have_ been waiting a while now XD)02:23
evilidleradministrator_: sudo ntfs-config, that is02:23
administrator_kk02:23
administrator_one sec02:23
MinatakuStill no rush, of course... X302:23
administrator_failed to open device02:23
danyahello .. I'm having a problem ..my laptop keeps freezing and the only way to shutdown is by the power button .. this thing started happening after I insatlled compiz ... I tried alt-prt sc - r .. but nothing really works02:24
administrator_what now evilidler?02:24
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ubuntu_no ops? lol wut02:25
administrator_looks like im locked out02:26
administrator_blah02:26
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tekteenis there a way to download a list of debs to a folder02:27
administrator_evililder?02:27
tekteen?02:28
evilidleradministrator_: I dunno then. I don't do dualboot.-02:28
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tekteenis there a way to download a list of debs to a folder?02:28
administrator_its not dualboot02:28
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administrator_its a different box entirely02:28
evilidleradministrator_: Well, I don't touch NTFS with Linux, anyway ;)02:29
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evilidleradministrator_: The ntfs-config homepage is pretty useless, but there's something on the forum02:30
evilidleradministrator_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33797002:30
evilidlerThat post contains links to the Launchpad pages, too02:30
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administrator_how do i get the permissions on a folder back?02:31
administrator_it says ownership: root02:31
administrator_but i am root02:31
evilidleradministrator_: If it's a regular folder, chmod. If it's a mounted folder, change mount options.02:31
evilidleradministrator_: You probably need chmod +x directory02:32
waltercoolchown root folder02:32
waltercoolchmod 755 folder?02:32
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evilidlerOr chmod 700, depending on paranoia02:32
administrator_cannot open02:33
Dr_willisevery 2 min.. wife yells at me to come in there and help her...02:33
evilidlerchown root.root dir; chmod 755 dir02:33
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waltercoolsomeone know how see what apps are using audio? i have audio bloqued for some app02:33
administrator_it cannot access it02:33
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administrator_i see that it mounte02:34
administrator_but it locked me out02:34
administrator_i dont even know how that happened02:34
evilidleradministrator_: It's mount options, then. What does the ntfs-config manpage say?02:34
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waltercoolsomeone knows?02:35
administrator_i unno02:35
evilidleradministrator_: Pastebin some ls -l output from the directory above it02:35
administrator_its in the / dir02:36
evilidleradministrator_: So "ls -l /"02:36
evilidleradministrator_: I just want the line with the mounted drive02:36
administrator_ok02:36
administrator_"/external HD"02:36
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administrator_thats the url to it02:36
evilidlerWhy is it mounted there, anyway?02:37
administrator_i had it mouted there02:37
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evilidleradministrator_: In theory, you should just plug it in and it appears in /media/02:37
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nonewmsgsi can see my usb flash drive in kinfocenter but it isnt mounted02:37
nonewmsgsor any way to access it02:38
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administrator_ill try that02:38
evilidleradministrator_: Remember to unmount first02:38
administrator_kk02:39
administrator_lol how i do that?02:39
administrator_:p02:39
evilidlerumount /external HD/02:39
evilidlerOr umount "/external HD"02:39
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administrator_unmount02:40
administrator_its not a command02:40
waltercoolumount02:40
Dr_willisits umount02:40
Dr_willis:)02:40
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evilidlerumount02:40
Dr_willisno N02:40
Dr_willismnmnmnmnmnmn :)02:40
administrator_0.o02:40
administrator_thats stupid02:40
evilidlerNo, that02:40
Dr_willissure.. whatever. :)02:40
evilidleris efficient02:40
evilidlerMake an alias if you feel more typing is better :)02:40
Dr_williswe said umount several times. :) no typos here.02:41
Dr_willistheres a reason theres no n.. but its stems back from Dinosours.. :)02:41
administrator_it says its not mounted02:41
evilidlerRight, then it isn't.02:41
evilidlerProbably.02:41
administrator_one sec02:41
evilidlerJust unplug and pray to the dark deities of computing that it shows up when you plug it back in.02:41
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nonewmsgstried that but nothing happend02:42
administrator_http://pastebin.com/m79b958e802:42
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evilidleradministrator_: sudo before the command if you're not root. But it's not mounted. So IGNORE it.02:43
evilidleradministrator_: Unplug, plug in, dark prayers etc.02:43
administrator_kk02:43
administrator_how can i login as root?02:43
nonewmsgssudo su02:43
evilidleradministrator_: You don't :)02:44
administrator_what/?!@02:44
administrator_ok i just turned it back on02:44
evilidleradministrator_: You do things AS root with sudo, but you don't actually log in.02:44
nonewmsgsadmin, if you type sudo su in a terminal it makes you root but it's not recomended02:44
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administrator_yeah it mounted again in new forlder02:45
administrator_and once again i do not have permission02:45
evilidlerI'm out of ideas. Must be a mount option or something in /etc/fstab.02:45
paoniaadministrator_ just an idea type su02:46
administrator_can you take screenshots in kubuntu?02:46
administrator_kk02:46
paoniayes02:46
administrator_authentication failure02:47
administrator_sorry.02:47
administrator_:(02:47
paoniaaaah02:47
NickPrestaadministrator_, press the print screen button on your keyboard. If you prefer a way to do it from the command line, just ask02:47
paoniatype sudo passwd root - this lets you set the root password02:47
administrator_kk02:47
NickPrestaa root account isn't suggested02:47
NickPresta!root02:47
ubotuDo not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo02:47
administrator_kk password updates cucessfully02:48
administrator_now waht?02:48
waltercoolsomeone knows how release audio of all apps?02:48
paonianow sudo su will work02:48
waltercooli have audio bloqued02:48
administrator_kk02:48
waltercoolblocked02:48
paoniatry sudo mount02:48
administrator_it is mounted02:48
administrator_i just cant access the folder where its at02:48
paoniayou want to umount02:48
administrator_no i just want to access the folder where all the stuff is in there02:49
evilidlerHis drive appears automagically when he plugs it in. But the mount options are probably all wrong.02:49
paoniaif it is usb it should come up as sda102:49
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nonewmsgsther is nothing in media for it...also strangely it isnt under lspci02:51
nonewmsgsbut it's clearly there in kinfo02:51
administrator_yeah once again no permission02:51
administrator_:(02:51
paoniaHUH02:51
paoniais it a ntfs drive02:51
paonia?02:51
administrator_yea02:51
paoniado you have ntfs-3g installed02:52
paonia?02:52
administrator_i have ntfs-config02:52
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administrator_yeah its on there02:52
paoniasometimes if it wasn't shutdown properly it won't mount with linux, you may try remounting in windows and making sure to unmount in windows prior to plugging into linux02:53
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administrator_hmm02:53
administrator_it mounts correctly02:53
administrator_cause when i use disk & filesystem system settings02:53
administrator_and i click browse02:53
administrator_i see the files on there'02:53
paoniabut you cannot access from command line?02:54
administrator_its just when i go to the folder it wont let me open it cause i dont have the correct permissions02:54
administrator_i have acccess to it02:54
administrator_what i type?02:54
paoniacd /02:54
paoniathen cd media02:54
administrator_wait02:54
paonials02:54
administrator_first cd /02:54
administrator_then cd media02:54
administrator_?02:54
administrator_ok02:55
administrator_now what02:55
administrator_?02:55
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NickPresta!enter | administrator_02:55
ubotuadministrator_: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!02:55
ubuntu_I finally got fed up with the webkit article and updated it, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit02:55
paoniado you see the sda1 drive?02:55
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administrator_http://pastebin.com/m4ed2a3d802:56
administrator_this is what i see02:56
administrator_what now?02:57
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paoniatype nautilus and then you will be at root in the GUI02:57
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administrator_kk02:57
administrator_its not installed02:57
NickPrestapaonia, this is the kubuntu channel. We don't have nautilus by default, AFAIK02:57
paoniawhat version of ubuntu02:57
NickPrestaadministrator_, you can use "konqueror"02:57
paoniaok konqueror02:58
administrator_yup02:58
administrator_i am using it02:58
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administrator_but still no permission02:58
caravakacaravaka: test02:58
NickPrestaadministrator_, in a Konsole, type: kdesu konqueror /media02:59
paoniastrangeness02:59
administrator_kk02:59
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administrator_http://pastebin.com/m3fd0870303:00
administrator_this is what i get03:00
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paoniado it from a terminal in the GUI03:00
administrator_how?03:01
NickPrestaadministrator_, stop using root. Close the konsole and open a new one03:01
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administrator_k03:02
NickPrestaadministrator_, and copy what I wrote correctly. "kdesu", not "kdesue"03:02
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administrator_YAY~!03:02
administrator_it opened :)03:02
purpleposeidonHow do you compile kqemu? I got build-essential, the linux-headers...03:03
administrator_do i have to open it up like that always?03:03
evilidlerpurpleposeidon: apt-get build-dep kvm, maybe03:03
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evilidleradministrator_: No, this is just an indicator that some mount options are wrong.03:04
evilidlerIf the mount point is specified in /etc/fstab, adding uid/gid for it should do the trick.03:04
administrator_its specified to03:05
rickeyi just installed pidgin and updated it them i tryed to loge in to yahoo in which i have a account with, it took me to a chat looking page  and asked me to click a link , in which it could verify my account . it said command sent ,but not recived my browser03:05
purpleposeidonevilidler: I don't have that...03:05
administrator_"/media/external"03:05
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rickeyby my brower03:06
administrator_how can i alter the mount options evilidler?03:06
evilidleradministrator_: This is ntfs, so I dunno03:06
rickeyanyone got any ideal,s about what i can do next03:07
rickeyhow do i get ahold of yahoo staff03:08
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evilidlerrickey: Business plan :)03:08
administrator_blah!03:08
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administrator_why cant they made linux run on ntfs03:08
administrator_why was that so hard03:09
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evilidleradministrator_: You might want to wear asbestos underwear now ;)03:09
administrator_huh?03:09
administrator_whats asbestos?03:09
holycowadministrator_: because your an idiot?03:09
holycowi mean c'mon03:09
evilidlerNTFS is a one-size-fits-all solution. We use different filesystems for different purposes.03:09
holycowhere are some reasons:03:09
NickPresta!language | holycow03:09
ubotuholycow: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.03:09
rickeyhumm let,s see maybe bill gate wouild get ped off03:10
holycowa: PROPRIETARY ... no one has access to this outside ms03:10
holycowb: NOT DOCUMENTED .. no on eknows how it REALLY works outside ms03:10
Jucatoadministrator_: two simple reasons: it's proprietary and it doesn't respect or even know about UNIX file permissions03:10
administrator_hmm ok03:10
holycowc: what Jucato said03:10
Jucatothe first is very important for Linux, the 2nd is very important for any *nix system03:10
administrator_have to find a program that can then read ext3 format :D03:10
Jucatothere are 2 of those03:11
evilidleradministrator_: Well, that's easier :)03:11
Jucatofs explorer and ext driver (or fs driver)03:11
administrator_alright thanks03:11
administrator_well goodnight everyone03:11
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evilidlerInstead of forcing the MS universe on your poor Linux box, go the other way :)03:11
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admin|sleepthey should find a way to get games to work on linux03:11
rickeyjucato how is thing going friend03:11
admin|sleepthat would be awesome03:11
evilidlerMeh. Get a console.03:12
Jucatoadmin|sleep: game makers should find a way to get their games work on linux03:12
paoniaor create a fat32 drive and you can interchange either way03:12
rickeythanks for your help the other nigth03:12
evilidlerBesides, UT and QW works in Linux.03:12
Jucatoit's not something linux could do on its own03:12
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Jucatorickey: oh kool. :)03:12
admin|sleepyeah but not GTA :p03:12
holycowadmin|sleep: wow man, i mean i am REALLY RAELLY working hard to actually be nice here03:12
holycowhow can you be so misinformed?03:12
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evilidlerholycow: MCS*. Intravenous misinformation.03:13
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rickeyjucato are you avoiiding me03:13
holycowadmin|sleep: i mean it's like basic stuff, spend 15 minutes googling and you will understand fundamentally why that statement is really dumb03:13
admin|sleep[20:13]  [Ignore]  Added holycow!* to your ignore list03:13
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admin|sleepthere we go :)03:13
admin|sleepnite everyone else03:13
NickPrestaadmin|sleep, could you please stop trolling.03:13
ubuntu__I have Vista on my computer :'(03:13
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NickPresta!away > admin|sleep03:13
Jucato<Jucato> rickey: oh kool. :) <--- no, you just didnt read :)03:13
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Netkiller3714Jucato03:14
holycowusser: what can we help with?03:14
JucatoNetkiller3714: yes?03:14
Netkiller3714I have a new computer now. It's got Vista on it03:14
Netkiller3714I want Winows XP and Ubuntu on it03:14
JucatoO.o03:14
paoniakill vista03:15
Netkiller3714But I can't install XP on it because Vista hogs the drive03:15
evilidlerNetkiller3714: Did you get rid of the old computer? I recommend having one for each OS03:15
paoniareformat03:15
Netkiller3714If I install Ubuntu on the whole drive will it get rid of this?03:15
Jucato1) I don't know if your XP license agreement allows for that (installing on a different computer) 2) You'll have to resize your partition to make room for Ubuntu 3) I don't have any experience dual booting VIsta and Linux03:15
holycowNetkiller3714: why don't you just format over vista instead of trying to partition around  it?03:16
evilidlerNetkiller3714: You only need to start any OS installer and get to the partitioning bit and remove everything that is already there03:16
rickeyi reconmend you throwing windows out the window!!!03:16
Netkiller3714So Installing Ubuntu on the whole drive will fix this right?03:16
rickeyKUBUNTU RULES03:16
BluesKajhey hey enuff , let him ask more questions03:17
evilidlerNetkiller3714: Starting to install will fix it. If you're going to dualboot, install WinXP first, then Linux in the remaining space03:17
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Netkiller3714lol Windows Vista (Windex sold seperatly)03:17
JucatoNetkiller3714: installing Ubuntu on the whole drive will wipe out Vista completely on that hard drive03:17
evilidlerIf you still have the old computer, is it too weak to run either OS?03:17
Jucatounless you make space for it03:17
BluesKajNetkiller3714, do you want to keep vista?03:17
Netkiller3714k thanks03:17
Netkiller3714NO!!03:17
Netkiller3714VISTA SUCKS!!03:17
Netkiller3714>_<03:18
Jucato!caps03:18
ubotuPLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.03:18
evilidlerMany systems delivered with Vista aren't actually up to the task, so I can understand not keeping it :)03:18
Jucatothanks03:18
BluesKajinstall XP first then kubuntu03:18
Netkiller3714I only play games on XP thats why I want it03:18
rickeyammen brother amen03:18
Netkiller3714ok brb installing Ubuntu :D03:18
evilidlerYeah, if you need games, XP will be least problematic. And Linux will let you get work done.03:18
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rickeyjucato i got a dandy for you tonigth ,listen to this03:19
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rickey i just installed pidgin 2.2 and went though all the steps to install it rigth03:20
rickey ok03:20
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rickeyat the end of the prosess it asked me to click a like03:21
rickeyto verifty my account03:21
rickey and my browser wouldnt send the link con fo03:21
Jucatoverify your account? with what?03:22
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rickeythis wasent manual it installed it,s self03:22
rickeysending a link back03:22
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nosrednaekimJucato: he is signing up with a AIM SN apparently03:22
nosrednaekimor rather...registering a SN03:23
rickeyme tyoo03:23
nosrednaekimyeah... I was talking about you.03:23
rickeywell i mmean i did downloaded it03:23
rickey but it installed it,s self03:23
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Jucatonosrednaekim: if you have better experience with this, could you please help him?03:24
rickeyjucato do you do any live chat?03:24
JucatoI use Kopete. but I don't have an AIM account03:24
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nosrednaekimI use AIM, but I didn't register through pidgin.03:24
nosrednaekimrickey: do you already have an AIM screen name?03:25
Jucatoand I have other accounts that were registered even before I started using Linux03:25
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rickeynosre i was talking about yahoo chat anyway03:25
nosrednaekimrickey: oh.. ok... do you already have a yahoo account?03:26
rickeyyes03:27
rickeyfor many years03:27
nosrednaekimrickey: no need to register a new one then.03:27
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rickeyall that stuff went ok03:27
nosrednaekimjust put in your sn and password and you're good03:27
BluesKajdoesn't kopete have yahoo capability?03:27
nosrednaekimyeah.. it does03:28
rickeyand it took me to a pre chat room asking me to click a link that would let me go to the chatroom of my choice03:28
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evilidlerI think Kopete has more such support built-in than Pidgin03:28
ZombineSo... is there some way to change the percentage of touchpad used for scrolling?03:28
rickeybut my browser wouldnt send the click back03:29
BluesKajwhich browser ?03:29
rickeybut kopete wont dont yahoo live chat03:29
rickeychatrooms03:29
BluesKajyou prolly have to config the default browser in pidgin03:30
nosrednaekimZombine: I think so.03:30
rickeythe one that was working with the install03:30
rickeybluues  i have firefox03:31
BluesKajis it default in other apps like irc clients03:31
Zombinenosrednaekim: So.... Like.... what option and where?03:31
Doctor_Nickguys, ark sucks, ALOT03:31
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Doctor_Nickare there any alternatives03:31
JucatoDoctor_Nick: try karchiver.. but I heard it sucks more...03:32
rickeyblues how is this done03:32
JucatoDoctor_Nick: you can search for something in http://www.kde-apps.org03:32
rickeyblues i dont know03:32
nosrednaekimZombine: ASFAIK, you have to Download the official synaptics driver (its int he repos) and then do some configureations03:32
rickey it is my defult03:32
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rickeythat i use for the internet03:32
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NightBirdI'm wanting to get a new wireless card... any suggestions on what to get?03:33
rickeyhow dose one configure there bowser for chat03:34
BluesKajwhat irc client are you using03:35
nosrednaekimNightBird: hey... umm desktop or laptop?03:35
NightBirdlaptop03:35
nosrednaekimNightBird: miniPCI or PCMCIA?03:35
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rickeyXchat and this one03:36
rickeyKonversation03:36
NightBirdnosrednaekim: the one that is the internal slot that requires some screw drivers to open as opposed to the wide one on the side... I don't know which one that is03:36
nosrednaekimminiPCI :)03:36
nosrednaekim!hardware | NightBird03:36
ubotuNightBird: For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport03:36
nosrednaekimNightBird: try to get an atheros or RaLink03:37
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NightBirdok03:37
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rathelI connect to another computer through SSH and I use ssh -X, anyway I can bring an application from that computer to this one in it's current state instead of opening a new one?03:39
nosrednaekimrathel: no... you can't do that03:39
rathelnosrednaekim: Aw didn't think so.03:40
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Zombinenosrednaekim: Alright.  Will try; thanks :D03:42
nosrednaekimZombine: sorry I couldn't help more03:42
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hydrogenasdf03:43
hydrogenwhy do all mail clients suck in kde03:43
hydrogenwith imap03:43
nosrednaekimKmail?03:43
hydrogensucks03:43
hydrogenit arbitarily crashes03:44
hydrogenand likes to download all mail and then reupload it before you can read it03:44
ardchoillehydrogen: Keep in mind that is your opinion03:44
hsystem-xcompiz fusion awesome stuff :)03:44
hydrogenardchoille: err, I'm fairly sure that working is a qualification for not sucking..03:44
hydrogenbut I suppose that is my opinion03:44
ardchoillehydrogen: kmail has never crashed on me. In fact, I can't remember when any app has crashed on any of my systems.03:45
hydrogenardchoille: and do you use it for large imap accounts?03:45
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ardchoilleI don't use imap03:45
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hydrogenokay03:45
hydrogenso don't talk03:45
hydrogenthanks!03:45
ardchoillehydrogen: You're funny :)03:45
hydrogenmy complaint was explicitly about kde mail clients when using imap03:45
hydrogenif you have no experience in such things03:46
hydrogenthen your opinion is not that helpful03:46
Jucatohydrogen: rumor has it mailody is great with imap03:46
ardchoillehydrogen: Maybe you should file a bug report and make this problem known.03:46
nosrednaekimhsystem-x: yep... indeed03:46
hydrogenJucato: yea.. I've used it once or twice03:46
hydrogenbut it just crashed as soon as I started it03:46
hydrogenit still has a ways to go :/03:46
Jucatoheh.. you've talked to toma about it?03:46
hydrogenyea03:46
Zombinenosrednaekim: Twill be enough I think :D03:47
nonewmsgsmy ipod isnt mounting either :|03:47
hydrogenI think mailody is going to be great eventually03:47
Jucatorumor also has it that kmail really sucks for imap... but that it's supposed to be getting better... operative word: supposed to03:47
hydrogenI just don't think its there yet03:47
Jucatounfortunately it doesn't have POP3, so I have no use for it :(03:47
Jucatonor would I be testing it... :(03:47
hydrogenit doesn't support multiple accounts either03:47
hydrogenso its really limited03:47
hydrogenI'll just deal with kmail I guess03:48
mluser-homeAnyone know how I can use knetworkmanager for connecting to wifi networks without having to provide my kwallet password everytime?03:48
holycowwhy not use thunderbird?03:48
holycowits actually pretty good with imap03:48
hydrogenbecause I can't stand mozilla03:48
hydrogenor any of its products03:48
holycowand excellent with multiple account03:48
rathelIn Ktorrent how do I check if I have full connection?03:48
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yurimxpxmando any of you know how to fix this error? http://yurimxpxman.dyndns.org/error03:53
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ardchoilleyurimxpxman: Looks like you might be missing a lib03:55
yurimxpxmanardchoille: any idea which one?03:55
ardchoilleyurimxpxman: No idea, but looks like you need to find "Term/Animation.pm"03:56
ZombineDoes anyone know what the disease you get from eating people is called?03:56
ardchoille!ot | Zombine03:56
ubotuZombine: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!03:56
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ZombineAh.  I see03:57
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ardchoilleyurimxpxman: Does this help? http://tinyurl.com/2t9ou303:59
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yurimxpxmanardchoille: I found that file.. I'm not sure where I need to put it04:00
yurimxpxmanall the places I've tried didn't work04:00
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danny500>_<04:01
danny500I still can't install XP04:01
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yurimxpxmandanny500: who cares? :)04:02
danny500I got ubuntu installws04:02
Quixogreokay. i need help.04:02
yurimxpxmandanny500: as long as you have GNU/Linux ;)04:02
danny500I do obviously04:02
yurimxpxmanrawflz04:02
danny500no, not as long04:02
yurimxpxmanit's easier to install XP before you install Kubuntu04:02
danny500did you not read what I said?04:02
danny500I CAN'T INSTALL XP04:03
danny500get that?04:03
yurimxpxmandanny500: why not?04:03
hydrogencongratulations!04:03
Quixogrebeen trying all night to get ubuntu back up and running. iinstalled the nvidia graphics driver, and things went "wierd" for a bit. then i got them running smoothly. i thought. when i rebooted, Xwindows wont start up now04:03
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danny500um04:03
hydrogenyour in a much better place04:03
nosrednaekimdanny500: and how is that kubuntu's fault?04:03
yurimxpxmanexactly04:03
hydrogenyou're04:03
hydrogenp04:03
hydrogen*04:03
nosrednaekimQuixogre: kernel driver probably.04:03
danny500Error in Setupdd.sys PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA04:03
Quixogrenosrednaekim i figured as much. how do i back it out? or update whatever?04:04
danny500 It was talking about there could be a problem with the RAM settings04:04
nosrednaekimdanny500: windows support is in #windows04:04
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danny500k04:05
nosrednaekimdanny500: and kubuntu doesn't affect them.04:05
Avt3kkim back in my ubuntu hehhehe04:05
danny500I like Ubuntu be It does not help with my gaming situation04:05
ardchoilleyurimxpxman: Open a terminal and do:   apt-cache search asciiquarium04:05
ardchoilleyurimxpxman: I think it's in the repos04:05
Avt3kkget xp lol04:05
nosrednaekimdanny500: yeah... unfortunately that is the most common complaint04:05
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ZombineIf you use WINE with actual Windows DLL04:06
nosrednaekimQuixogre: hmmmm well, use the nv driver temporarily04:06
Zombinewould that help with teh gaming?04:06
ardchoilleyurimxpxman: It's in the universe repo04:06
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Quixogrenosred? how do i04:06
danny500I don't feel like taking a week to set up WINE fully04:06
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Zombinedanny500: Well hell, that's half the fun :D04:06
holycowdanny500: well i'm not sure we can actually help with winxp issues even if we tried ... if you are installing winxp but having problems ... the only thing we can say is for a dual boot box xp should be installed first and ubuntu second as the ubuntu installer will recognized xp04:07
nosrednaekimQuixogre: run this command from the terminal. "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"04:07
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danny500I'm not repeating how I can't install XP at all.04:07
BluesKajdanny500, if games are so important then buy a game console like Wii or something04:07
holycowand we aren't going to bother trying to help04:07
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Quixogredanny, seriously dude. take a hint. WE DONT DO WINDOWS04:07
holycowwhy don't you solve windows issues by trying #windows instead04:08
Zombinedanny500: But console games kinda blow.  And this isn't Microsoft chat04:08
Jucato!windows04:08
ubotuFor help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents04:08
danny500If I had tons of money I would, but none of the systems have BIOSHOCK or FEAR04:08
hsystem-xlol, computers are more advanced for gaming that a console ...04:08
marliohello people, i'm brazilian04:08
hsystem-xconsole came from computers.04:08
danny500and?04:08
danny500I'm Canadia04:08
marlioand i want to improve my english with conversation04:08
danny500Canadian04:08
holycowand go away and bother #windows people please04:08
hsystem-xej: alienware computers far more superior than a ps3 for example...04:08
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Zombinedanny500: 360 has Bioshock.  But honestly, we can't help you here04:08
marliohello04:08
danny500lol doing that04:08
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Jucatomarlio: sorry, this isn't the place to learn English04:08
marlioi'm brazilian04:08
Jucato!br | marlio04:09
ubotumarlio: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.04:09
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marlioI don't agree04:09
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danny500lol Por favor is french >_<04:09
NickPrestadanny500, no it isn't04:09
hsystem-xhehe LOL04:09
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nosrednaekimummm its spanish04:09
marliobecause every place with people to use english04:09
Jucatodanny500: no it's not04:09
Zombinemarlio: You could just watch us talk?04:09
holycowdanny500: i trully hope your not as dumb as you read to be04:09
holycowseriously04:09
Quixogreno. si vous plais is french. por favor is portuguease or spanish04:09
Jucatomarlio: this channel is not for learning english04:09
danny500lol no04:09
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marlioin this place i can learn04:10
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marlioI know04:10
danny500oh wait, the french is Pour Favor04:10
markgreeneHey guys. I have 5.1 speakers. When I was running windows I could plug them in and windows would detect them and configure the ports on my sound card for the speakers plugged in. How do I setup the ports on my sound card for linux?04:10
holycowmarlio: well as long as yo make an effort to help your self first we will try04:10
Dr_Willisreading a lot of linux guides helps :)04:10
Jucato!offtopic04:10
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!04:10
ZombineBye Marilo....04:10
BluesKajdanny500, where in canada are you , cuz most canucks know that por favor is not french04:10
Quixogrefunny. i usually like canucks. this ones just dumber than a sack of hammers though04:11
nosrednaekimmarkgreene: if noone here knows.. go to #alsa.04:11
Zombinedanny500: I think he was being sarcastic04:11
markgreenenosrednaekim: thanks I will check them out now04:11
NickPrestadanny500, pour favor isn't french either. "For favor" makes no sense...04:12
NickPrestaand yes, !offtopic, I know :)04:12
BluesKajthe french is s'il vous plait04:12
ZombineNickPresta: It kinda does when you think about it.  "Do this as a favor to me"04:12
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holycowZombine: no it doesn't04:12
holycowright offtopic04:12
Jucatoguys, can you please take the language discussion out of here? thanks04:13
ardchoilleDoes kubuntu come with full commercial support like Ubuntu does?04:13
Zombineyeah... let's argue in #kubuntu-offtopic04:13
BluesKajbye04:13
gordhey, can any of you guys deal with this: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+question/14296 ? some guy posted a support request about being banned from #kubuntu.04:13
Jucatoardchoille: from Canonical, yes I think so04:13
BluesKaji'm staying here04:13
ardchoilleJucato: Ah, nice04:14
JucatoBluesKaj: can't be in two channels at the same time?04:14
gordoop sorry thats the beta url https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/konversation/+question/1429604:14
Quixogrebbl. gonna reinstall the generic drivers for xwindows, see if i can get it back up04:14
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BluesKajJucato, i can but , the topic isn't worth pursuing further04:15
Jucato:04:15
Jucato:)04:15
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ZombineAnd... what do they mean by "full commerical support" anyway?  There's no tech support that I know of (besides here), you don't pay for the OS, there is no warranty... I'm not criticizing Ubuntu or anything, but what is there to support commercially04:15
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NickPrestaZombine, you can buy professional support04:16
Quixogrezombine there IS professional support. if you're willing to pay for it04:16
ardchoilleZombine: I don't know, but http://www.ubuntu.com/ shows "The Ubuntu Promise" and it says "Ubuntu comes with full commercial support from Canonical .."04:16
Quixogrewe're the poor schmucks who cant afford/dont believe in paying for support we can get better for freew04:17
ZombineAnd Canonical is a tech support service?04:17
ZombineQuixogre: Amen!04:17
Quixogrecanonical is the company that basically started ubuntu04:17
BluesKajdefrag linux ..i guess the banned guy din't read any of the answers he got :)04:18
czer323And they support Ubuntu.  So, if you have seroius problems and need serious help, they can help you for a price.04:18
yurimxpxmanardchoille: what's the package name?04:18
ZombineLinux was never meant for the mainsteam.  Way I understand, it's more or less "by programmers for programmers" with features that they would like/need, and none that they would not04:18
ZombineBut I guess not everyone thinks that way...04:18
Jucatofortunately04:19
ardchoilleyurimxpxman:  kdescreensaver-aasaver04:19
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Quixogrezom,bine although i think thats a great sentiment, linux still has to pay the bills for SOMEONE. in order to do so, it has to find ways of charging money04:19
NickPrestahow would I kill every single thing owned by every single user logged in?04:20
yurimxpxmanardchoille: no..?04:20
QuixogreNickPresta killall04:20
ZombineNickPresta: Turn off the power :D04:21
czer323sudo init6 ? ;)04:21
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NickPrestaheh04:21
ardchoillelol04:21
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NickPrestaI suppose I'm looking for `slay`04:22
yurimxpxmanNickPresta: sudo killall504:22
ardchoilleWhere can I find a list of run levels and what they mean?04:22
Jucatoardchoille: um.. Google...04:22
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czer323google, it's a fairly common thing04:22
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Jucatothere are only 6, with the 6th for reboot I think. so it's not so hard to look for :)04:23
yurimxpxmanardchoille: oh, I see what you're talking about04:23
yurimxpxmanardchoille: no, I'm trying to use the console version04:23
ardchoilleyurimxpxman: Oh, ok.. never tried that04:24
ardchoilleJucato: Thanks, I found http://www.skullbox.net/init.php04:24
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root__okay. need some help pelase04:31
NickPrestawe're here for you, root__04:32
root__<~ quixogre04:32
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NickPrestawe're here for you too =D04:32
Jucatofirst thing you should know, do not go online as root :)04:32
quixogrethere. now i feel like my old self. sorta04:32
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quixogrelol this is the only way i can get into xwindows...04:33
quixogrenow ya see why i need help...04:33
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quixogredpkg -configure -phigh xserver-xorg fixed my original problem...i can now launch xwindows again04:34
quixogrebut only as root04:34
quixogreim afraid to reboot, because then i wont be able to get back on04:34
Jucatotime to install and learn how to use irssi :)04:35
Jucatosurvival kit for users :)04:35
ardchoillequixogre: "Man who play in root eventually kill tree"04:35
quixogreardchoille: hehe nothing on this pc im nto afraid to lose. lifes good when yer livin on the edge04:36
BluesKajirssi rocks, helped me numerous times04:36
quixogreso now my dillemma is this. how do i get my nvidia drivers back, and running PROPERLY?04:37
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ardchoillequixogre: No offense, but if you're willing to log in as root and irc in that account, then there's no telling what else you've done to create problems.04:38
quixogreardchoille: no offense taken. but believe it or not, i havent changed anything, except installing the drivers from nvidia home page04:39
DropKickMurpheysspeaking of nvidia drivers04:39
DropKickMurpheyshow can i tell if i have the proper ones?04:39
quixogrebrb. gonna reboot, and see if i can still log into windows. worst case, can use the dpkg trick again04:40
ardchoilleDropKickMurpheys: "glxinfo | grep render" .. if you have hardware accel, then it's probably working fine.04:40
evilidlerThe proper ones don't crash when you run 3D programs.04:40
DropKickMurpheyslol04:40
DropKickMurpheysk04:40
DropKickMurpheysi'm using feistys cube junk04:41
DropKickMurpheysso it must be working04:41
DropKickMurpheys:D04:41
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|neon|have a question about gutsy and crossover , after installing crossover i do  not get any menus have anyone try crossover on gutsy and if so did it work, thx04:41
DropKickMurpheysOh, 1 more quick question04:42
ardchoille|neon|: Please aks in #ubuntu+104:42
ardchoilles/aks/ask/04:42
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|neon|ardchoille: ok thx04:43
DropKickMurpheysis there anyway i can get a program that can schedule downloads? I'm using Satellite internet and it has a Bandwith cap limit. It becomes disabled at 3 A.M EST and i really don't want to stay up just to start a download.04:43
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evilidlerDropKickMurpheys: cron, wget04:43
quixogrewoot! got it :)04:43
DropKickMurpheyswhich would you recommend?04:43
evilidlerDropKickMurpheys: It's not an or ;)04:44
ardchoilleDropKickMurpheys: He means you would have to set up a cronjob for a wget session04:44
DropKickMurpheysAh04:44
evilidlerDropKickMurpheys: You use crontab -e to edit the crontab, and make it wget the files in question.04:45
DropKickMurpheysHmm, is that fairly easy to do? I'm an ultimate linux newbie.04:45
evilidlerThen you kill all processes running wget at the point where your ISP goes fascist again04:45
DropKickMurpheysHeh04:45
DropKickMurpheysk04:45
evilidlerDropKickMurpheys: It's not too terribly hard, actually.04:45
DropKickMurpheysok, thank you :D04:45
evilidlerJust read up on cron via "man cron". Then note down the syntax.04:46
DropKickMurpheyswould cron also be called kcron?04:46
evilidlerYou could also pool together all your wget commands in a shell script and call that from the crontab.04:46
evilidlerDropKickMurpheys: That would be a frontend to it, I guess. Does the same trick.04:46
quixogreokay. call me stubborn, but im gonna take another crack at this. i've installed the nvidia drivers for linux, but running them automatically seems to crash xwindows completely. is there a way to figure out whats causing the crash, and fix it?04:46
DropKickMurpheysok04:46
ardchoilleDropKickMurpheys: http://www.linuxweblog.com/node/2404:46
evilidlerquixogre: /var/log/X11.something04:47
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evilidlerquixogre: Pastebin your xorg.conf, and I can tell if you're loading something you might want to remove04:48
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quixogreevilidler: found my logfile, but its a newer one. not the one that was causing crash...04:51
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evilidlerquixogre: Your xorg.conf might be enough of a hint, anyway04:52
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quixogreevilidler: gimme a sec. gonna reload nvidia drivers, let it build the xorg.conf that was causing crash, and send that to ya...04:53
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sirjoshimushi there, im using ubuntu server04:53
sirjoshimusdapper, and i cant seem to load up fluxbox04:53
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sirjoshimusits saying it cant connect to xserver04:53
robinany one know if the 8800 video card issue is going to be resolved in the final release?04:53
Dr_Willisrobin no issues here04:55
Dr_Willis:)04:55
Dr_Willisso i say its fixed04:55
robininstall issue wit hblack screen04:55
Dr_Willishad no problems here.04:56
robinwhen installing04:56
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Dr_Willis8800gtsXXX :)04:56
robinyes, I get a black screen when installing04:56
quixogrebrb, gotta stop X server before i can run the nvidia files04:57
robinI know others do to as i just did a search on google04:57
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ManiDhillonWhere to find new cool icon packs?04:58
DropKickMurpheyslol, not trying to down linux but04:58
ManiDhillon! icon packages04:59
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about icon packages - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:59
DropKickMurpheyswith an 8800gts i would be pimping me some windows.04:59
ManiDhillon! icon04:59
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ManiDhillonHow to set a picture ith a login name?05:00
ardchoilleManiDhillon: Looking for more icon themes?05:00
ManiDhillonardchoille Yeah can you help me?05:00
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usserManiDhillon: kde-look.org05:00
ardchoilleManiDhillon: I don't know how to set a pic with a login name05:01
quixogreevilidler: still here?05:01
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evilidlerquixogre: Yep05:01
quixogre!pastebin05:01
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ManiDhillonkde-look.org Okay I'll check that Thanls.05:02
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quixogreevilidler: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39223/05:03
evilidlerquixogre: Are you using a touchpad or something like that?05:03
quixogreevilidler: nope05:03
evilidlerquixogre: Then you can at least drop the last three devices in ServerLayout05:04
quixogredone05:04
evilidlerquixogre: The module section is exactly like mine, so it's fine05:05
evilidlerquixogre: Now the three InputDevice sections for those lines can be removed from a bit further down, just to tidy up the file05:05
quixogreokies. gonna reboot. if i get the crash, will save the logfile to different location, run dpkg -reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg command, and come back with the log....hopefully be right back05:06
evilidlerquixogre: There is one more setting you can use for full visuals05:06
evilidlerquixogre:         Option          "AddARGBGLXVisuals" "true" (in the Device section for the graphics card)05:06
evilidlerquixogre: Are you using an LCD monitor?05:07
quixogreyes05:07
evilidlerquixogre: Then you should trim the resolutions a bit. Keep only the default resolution, and maybe kill off lower bitdepths you don't use05:08
quixogrealso using a secondary monitor, but will worry about that once i get these drivers running05:08
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evilidlerquixogre: Yeah, the primary monitor is most important. Mine was black till I got the right resolution set (1680x1050)05:08
quixogre1440x900 is default here05:09
evilidlerAnything else either was black in most cases, since I don't use DVI on it05:09
quixogremines DVI if that makes a difference05:09
evilidlerDVI can make a difference. Lemme check the docs real quick05:09
quixogrerebooting. just to see if this works...brb. hhopefully05:10
evilidlerYeah, DVI means more automatic stuff works05:10
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nicetryhello05:11
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nicetryi have one, problem. how do i install the fonts for wine file/?05:12
nicetryi open a program useing wine file and it does not show the fonts05:13
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Dr_WillisHmm the .wine dir has some windows/fonts dir.05:19
Dr_Williscould put them in there . if ya knew where to get them05:19
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evilidlerYou probably want to get msttcorefonts05:21
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Dr_Willisthats a to do first :)05:22
quixogre!pastebin05:22
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quixogreevilidler: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39224/ it crashed...but saved the log file this time05:23
nicetryDr_Willis:i run my win program useing wine file  the program runs great the font does not show can u help/?05:23
nicetryevilidler:i have msttcorefonts, installed05:24
DropKickMurpheys!java05:25
ubotuTo install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.05:25
evilidlerquixogre: I suspect there's a mismatch between the actual nvidia module and the xorg drivers. I remember having to specify that the initrd should include nvidia, then making a new initrd.05:25
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evilidlernicetry: I think they get their own directory somewhere. Copy the ttf files from there into .wine/fonts, or wherever, and Wine should have them available.05:26
quixogrebah. fsckit. been fooling weith this now for 8 hours. time for a break. i'll hit it again tomorrow05:26
mike-kubuntuhey, how do i modprobe the right driver for a usb ps2 controller05:26
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evilidlerquixogre: Yeah, if you look around the net, you'll find there's a seriously nasty problem with them..you might have as many as three slightly different versions of the kernel module05:27
evilidlerquixogre: Better tackle it when rested :)05:27
evilidlerLast time my drivers messed up, I reinstalled.05:27
Dr_WillisWindows Training! :)05:27
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quixogreokies. thanks for the help evilidler...will ttya tomorrow05:27
mike-kubuntuI'm sure its mounted, however it's mounted under /dev/input/event3 and the driver must be wrong because it gets constant feedback whereas in all my previouse installs it only gave me feedback when the buttons were pressed and it used to mount at /dev/input/js005:27
evilidlerDr_Willis: And certified!05:28
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nicetryevilidler:where i get the ttf files and how i fine the wine/fonts dir05:28
Dr_Willislook in the .wine dir05:28
evilidlernicetry: Dunno. I saw someone mention that there is a .wine dir with a fonts subdir05:28
Dr_Willisit has a mirror of a windows install in there.05:28
Dr_Willis:)05:28
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evilidlerA mirror of the working parts, anyway :P05:29
Dr_WillisThen again.. installing the mstcore fonts pakcage SHOULD take care of it.05:29
Dr_WillisInstall spyware with wine.. and look in .wine and see what it puts where. :)05:29
nicetryi open the c:/ and xwindow / fonts there/05:29
nicetry/?05:29
Dr_Willisnicetry LOOK in the .wine dir05:29
Dr_Willisor was that for niceity.. :)05:29
Dr_Willisheh05:29
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nicetrywhere is that05:30
Dr_Willis.wine is in the users home dir.. with 199999999999999+ other .whatever dirs05:30
Dr_Willisor so they seem to accumulate. :)05:30
evilidlerStop making .pornN dirs and try to tidy up occasionally :)05:30
Dr_Willisevery stupid game/program needs its own .whatever file or dir.05:31
Dr_Willisgetting rather sad. :)05:31
nicetryam lostt05:31
Dr_WillisI must of had 300 .files befor05:31
evilidlerYeah, I think a program to watch the .dirs is needed.05:32
Dr_Willisnicetry use the terminal...   cd .wine    , then ls05:32
Dr_Willisthe layout of the .wine dir is worth exploring.05:32
evilidlerSomething that knows the connection between the dpkg and the .dir so you can blow away the ones you don't have use for05:32
Dr_Willisor make the file manager show 'hidden files' and it will show up05:32
nicetrybash: cd: wine: No such file or directory05:32
evilidlerDOT wine. Note the dot in front.05:32
Dr_Willisnicetry its .wine with a ........................................05:32
Dr_Willis. . . . . . . . . .05:32
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Dr_Willis:)05:32
nicetryok05:32
nicetryi did it05:33
Dr_Willisyou DID install the mstcore fonts package?05:33
Dr_Willis!fonts05:33
ubotuFont installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer05:33
nicetryyeah05:33
Dr_Willissudo apt-get install msttcorefonts05:33
Dr_Willis:)05:33
Dr_Willistheres some 'install vista fonts' scripts out also. heh05:33
nicetryi did"sudo apt-get install msttcorefonts"05:34
nicetrynow what05:34
Dr_Willistry running ya program again with wine whatever.exe05:34
nicetryno letter05:35
Dr_Willisletter? what letter?05:35
Dr_WillisI dont need no stinking letter. :)05:35
nicetrywhen i open the program it open but does not show any letter05:35
nicetryi mean fonts05:36
Dr_WillisTry copying the various font files over to that .wine/whatever/windows/fonts dir then I guess05:36
Dr_Willisit could be the program you are running is just  one that dont like wine.05:36
Dr_WillisHmm if installing fonts.. they should be seen idmietly by the system.. i think..05:37
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nicetrywhere i get all the fonts05:37
Dr_Willisnot sure if a logout is needed.. might be worth a shot..   i forget the command to   make X recache the fonts05:37
mike-kubuntudoes udev keep a log of what it mounts where?05:37
Dr_Willisnicetry from a windows machine  would be one place.05:37
mike-kubuntumy ps2 joystick is bieng really annoying, i cant find out where its mounted or what its mounted with and either way it seems screwed up05:38
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nicetryi format my drive05:38
Dr_Willisor use mc, and open up that msttcorefonts package and loon in there.05:38
evilidlerI think just running defoma with sudo does some sort of font magic05:38
Dr_Willislook in there.05:38
Dr_Willisit downloaded to /var/cache/apt/Somthing....05:38
evilidler /var/cache/apt/archives/ - my $HOME away from $HOME05:39
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nicetryam looking see what i can do real quick05:40
Dr_Willisyep - its fun to explore whats in the  packages. :005:40
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nicetryok i found the tff files for mscorefont but it wouldnt let me move it to c/win/fonts in wine file05:43
nicetryi mean ttf files05:44
Dr_Williswhere is this c/win/fonts comming from?05:44
nicetryfrom wine file program05:44
Dr_Willismy wine dir is not laid out that way at all.05:45
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Dr_Willisit would be like /home/willis/.wine/fake_c/windows/fonts05:45
Dr_Willisi think....05:45
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nicetryok i move the ttf files to /home/willis/.wine/fake_c/windows/fonts05:46
evilidlerWhy the heck would you MOVE them?05:47
nicetryit didnt have any ttf files05:47
evilidlerCopy.05:47
nicetryyeah i copy and paste05:47
evilidlerDon't want to move them away from where they're supposed to be.05:47
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nicetryit still wont show the font for the programs05:48
bastianhello05:48
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Dr_Willishmm.. silly windows virus checker.. found one.. then 'healed' the infected file by deleting it.. :)05:56
evilidlerTake off and nuke it from orbit; only way to be sure.05:56
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evilidlerThat's really my approach to bothersome users, too05:57
nicetryi remember now would it help if i relinstall the program05:57
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jimI dual boot with FC6 and XP, using grub. I'm thinking of going from FC6 to kubuntu. Will the install DVD see my windows partition and leave it alone so I can dual boot XP and Kubuntu?05:59
Dr_WillisJim it should06:00
nicetryis does not show the font for that program06:00
Dr_Willisheck it can even see the existing linux installs and set up grub entrys for them06:00
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Dr_Willissome times it even does them RIGHT! :)06:00
jimreally so it will ask if I want to get rid of FC606:00
Dr_Willisno... it can install to another place and have a grub entry for FC606:00
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jimso I would have to remove FC606:01
Dr_Willisif you want it to replace fc, i suggest using fdisk and deleting the fc partitions. then tell the installer to use the unallocaed apace.06:01
Dr_Willissame as ya remove anything. :)  fdisk! heh.. hard core.06:01
Dr_Willisor use gparted.06:01
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jimI was hoping it would do it for me so I can blame it in case I do something stupid with fdisk : )06:02
Dr_Willisit proberly can.. but i find it easier to be sure to delete what i want.06:02
Dr_Willisthen to figure out the installers 'helpfull' fdisking tools06:03
Dr_Willis'use unallocated space' is about as clear as it gets.06:03
Dr_Willisother then 'use entire disk' :)06:03
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Dr_WillisYou will have to either set the mount points properly where yoru FC is at.. or delete them and let the installer make new partitions and mount points automaticially06:03
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jimright I hear ya. Ok I assume it uses ext3?06:04
Dr_Willisit can. :)06:05
Dr_Willisof course your FC install may be using LVM, or somthing else..06:05
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Dr_Willisubuntu normally wants to use ext306:05
jimok FC is ext3 so I guess I'll just back it all up and delete it. Yikes!,06:07
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jimkeep hearing rave reviews about kubuntu so figure I'll see what all the hype is about. I wonder if I can copy my home directory back to Kubuntu?06:09
Dr_Willisback it up? :) heh..06:09
Dr_WillisThe next release of Kubuntu is in beta testing right now. due out in like 3 weeks.06:09
Dr_Willisshareing Home dirs is doable.. BUT ive had issues with kde and gnome settings in the past.06:09
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jimya all those dot files could be messy06:11
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Dr_Willisfor a while gnome and kde both were having 'issues' with config files from earlier releases/homedirs on my box's06:11
Dr_Willishad to whipe out a few .kde conf ig dirs in the past. dosent seem tobe as much of an issue these days06:11
jimis it easy to upgrade from present kubuntu to beta when it is released ie. is it just an apt or yum command?06:12
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Dr_Willisapt-get update :)06:12
Dr_Willis!upgrade06:12
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Dr_Willisfairly easy.06:12
Dr_Willisbut I perfer to do clean reinstalls. (since its just me on this box)06:13
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Dr_Willisfactoids need upgraded soon. :)06:13
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jimIt would be nice if someone wrote some scripts to upgrade from Fedora to Ubuntu, I'm sure there are a lot of people moving that way.06:14
Dr_Willissounds like a huge nightmare. :)06:14
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holycowthe script is something like this actually:06:14
Dr_Willis put /home on its own partition/drive...  keep it safe.. reinstall rest of teh OS.06:14
holycowburn installer cd, put in cd tray, reboot06:15
holycow:)06:15
Dr_Willisusers might never notice.06:15
hydrogenyes06:15
hydrogenthat owuld be the only choice06:15
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jimI'm asuming then that I put the install CD in and it will tell me what it sees before I have to commit to something? ie. it won't just start installing right?06:17
Dr_WillisI will be the first to admit that the  eye candy in Compiz, puts vista to shame. :)06:18
Dr_Willisjim live cd - a desktop cd. + installer button. :)06:18
jimok downloading via torrent now.06:18
Dr_Willisalternative cd - starts asking Q's06:18
Dr_Willisyou 'might' want to just go with the beta... if you are brave. :)06:19
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jimbut the desktop cd will at least tell me what it finds and ask me what I want to commit to . Installer button doesn't just start installing does it?06:20
Dr_Willisof coruse not.06:21
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Dr_Willistheres a huge long wizard :006:21
Dr_Willisthis isent windows. :)06:21
jimok thanks a lot, just double checking to remove an oops factor..06:21
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Dr_Willis:)06:22
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jim : ) .06:23
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jimoff the top of your head can you think of anything other than my home directory that I may want to save to move into Kubuntu from FC6? I've downloaded a lot of programs on FC6 but I assume I'll find them all in Kubuntu repos..06:26
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Dr_Willissamba config if you use samba..06:27
Dr_Willisvmware machines..06:27
Dr_Willisdepends on what you do really.06:27
intelikeyxorg.conf is it's special...    network configs if they are special...06:27
Dr_Willisits good to keep backups of your xorg.conf - but it seems the different disrtos are doing a lot of varity in whats in xorg.conf tghese days..06:28
jimok none of that , ya thats not a fair question. Oh ya xorg.conf good idea : )06:28
Dr_Willislittle things - font paths and so forth. often are radicially different.06:28
Dr_Willisbut a xorg.conf backup has saved my backside on many a day06:28
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intelikeythat's pretty much every thing...    just special configs if any and  /homw06:29
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intelikeyhomw ???  heh   home maybe.06:29
jimok thank you. You've been super helpful. Hopefully I'll be a happy Kubuntu user soon : )06:30
jcs7778Is there a way to change the look of the kmenu, ive been looking through the systme settings dialogue and there don't seem to be any options, also I have found almonst nothing useful form various google searches06:30
intelikeyyou'll probably be a kubuntu user.  happy is not dictated by distro...06:30
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intelikeyjcs7778 right click the [K]   and configure it06:31
ManiDhillonI'm in a problem, Its regarding MIME TYPES.06:32
ManiDhillonCan anyone help me?06:32
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jcs7778intelikey: that only lets me change where things are not the look and feel, I am trying to change the general theme of the kmenu not the position of various things in the kmenu06:33
ManiDhillonWhenever i click on any application to launch it, before launchinh it display a ERROR message that Could not find MIME type application/octet-stream06:34
hatteri am on feisty and cant build the nvidia propietary module06:34
ManiDhillonPLEASE help me!06:34
Dr_Willis Night all.,06:34
hatteri have the sources and the 97 series driver from the nvidia website, with an mx440 card06:34
ManiDhillon! setting everything to default06:35
hatteri get the error : /bin/sh: scripts/genksyms/genksyms: not found06:35
hatterin the nvidia log06:35
hatteranyone got any clue about this error ?06:35
ManiDhillon! default06:35
ubotuTo change the default application for a filetype in Nautilus, right-click on a file, select Properties -> Open With, and then change the setting. In Kubuntu, Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure and then hit "File Associations"06:35
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intelikeyjcs7778 kcontrol theme06:36
Jucato!kmenu06:38
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kmenu - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:38
Jucatobah!06:38
rc-1how many watts of power does a laptop draw06:38
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tzangerrc-1: depends, about 90 though06:38
rc-1ah thanks06:38
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intelikeydepends on what it's doing.   eye candy is high priced   but not as high as major disk io06:39
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GUMMMi have files in a folder and i want to delete one. how do i do that from the terminal?06:42
intelikeyand major disk io over a network to produce eye candy  == dead battery06:42
tzangerif the supply's rated for 90W, I don't care what your eye candy's doing or your hard drive, you ain't getting more than that (not for very long, anyway)06:42
ardchoilleGUMMM: rm filename06:42
GUMMMthanx06:42
intelikeyGUMMM rm /path/to/file.name06:43
intelikeyGUMMM rm reletive/path/to/file.name06:43
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intelikeytzanger the "not for very long"  makes sense.   but you can definitely pull higher than the rating on all (or at least almost all) PSU's06:45
intelikeyjust not continuous06:46
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level1hi, how do I turn off the beeping in the virtual terminal?06:48
tzangerintelikey: I am an industrial power electronics engineer...  trust me, I know :-)06:48
intelikeylevel1 modprobe -r pcspeeker06:49
tzangerthere's continuous ratings, peak ratings, duty cycle, ambient temp, cooling method and other factors :-)06:49
intelikeytzanger prezactly.06:49
level1intelikey: doesn't that turn off all sounds, like amarok and stuff?06:49
tzangerprezactly hahaa06:49
intelikeylevel1 no.  only turns off the beep in console06:50
level1intelikey: how can I disable it perminately?06:50
intelikeylevel1 there is another way.   man bash for the specifics on it.06:50
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intelikeylevel1 you could blacklist the module   or setup /etc/inputrc  with the correct setting    as i said man bash for that06:51
level1intelikey: its not in man bash06:51
intelikeyi think it is.06:51
level1intelikey: do you see it somewhere? because I can't find it06:52
level1how do I blacklist the module?06:53
intelikeyi'll install man-db and look   but i'm pretty sure it's there.06:53
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intelikeylevel1 in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist06:53
intelikeylevel1 in man bash under "readline veriables"   section   bell-style06:55
level1okay, thanks06:56
intelikeymaybe other ways too06:56
intelikeylevel1 you may want to look at  "show-all-if-*"   in man bash also06:58
intelikeyi actually prefer the system bell be usable, just not hear it each time in hit the tab key06:59
level1intelikey: anyway, neither gutsy nor feisty will boot into anything besides fglrx... debian worked with vesa, but ati rejects my card06:59
level1intelikey: is there a way to tell ati: "screw you, shut up, and boot X anyway"?07:00
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intelikeylevel1 eeek   ati and ubuntu  in my exp. are not on speeking terms.07:00
level1intelikey: I meant ati the driver, not ati the company07:00
level1intelikey: is there another driver that might work on my card?  mobility X1400?07:01
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intelikeylevel1 not usless you can use a generic driver of some kind there isn't.    vga(which you don't want)  vesa(which you can't use) or ati which is probably the propritary driver.07:02
level1intelikey: is there a driver called radeon?07:02
level1intelikey: I'd consider using vga at this point, fglrx is going to cause my computer to burn up, its overheating07:03
intelikeyif fbcon is working you could kernel frame buffering as an X driver   but that will most likely really hose things if you drop out of x for any reason07:03
level1intelikey: hmmm... well, from the sound of it, I think I'll just go back to debian07:04
intelikeyuse what works for you man.07:05
level1intelikey: I was hoping that there was something that would fix it, like changing some of the options in xorg.conf07:05
level1intelikey: was gutsy supposed to have bullet proof X?07:06
intelikeyit's not released yet.07:06
intelikeyit's "beta"07:06
level1intelikey: I'm running it now, I thought it would fix some of my problems07:07
intelikeyyou can ask about it in #ubuntu+107:07
level1intelikey: and I for sure don't have bullet proof X07:07
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twylighthey07:08
intelikeyyeah i have mentioned several times in here that "not all hardware can use VESA vidio"  but no one listens to me.   i'm just that ranting lunatic07:08
twylightthat's why we love you07:08
intelikeytyu07:09
intelikey-u07:09
twylightI'm looking for a halfway decent ORPG07:09
twylightnot daimonin07:09
intelikeyfalcons eye ?07:09
twylightlet me restate what I want07:10
twylightan online role playing game07:10
intelikeynot sure that qualifies as "half way" ...07:10
twylightgraphical07:10
twylightwith other people07:10
intelikeygraphic and rpg in one breath ???07:11
twylightsomething worth playing at 3:00 AM when I've got insomnia07:11
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intelikeywesnoth ?07:11
MasterShrekhow can i get rid of strigi? its totally kicking my computer's ass07:11
intelikeynot really rpg i dont guess07:12
twylightremember first star online?07:12
twylightsomething like that07:12
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intelikeyactually.  no.   i'm not a gamer.07:12
intelikey!tome07:12
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about tome - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi07:12
intelikey!game07:12
RurouniJonezZzZDoes Eve Online have a linux client yet?07:12
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about game - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi07:12
intelikeydumb bot.07:12
NickPrestaMasterShrek, nethack. It's good at 3am and 3pm :)07:13
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MasterShrekNickPresta, ?07:13
twylightnethack is not an online game07:13
intelikeyNickPresta graphical ?07:13
ardchoilletwylight: bzflag ?07:13
NickPrestayou can use the QT interface if you want although I prefer the text-based version07:14
twylightI hate shooting down suggestions07:14
twylightbzflag isn't an RPG07:14
MasterShreksudo apt-get remove strigi-daemon...duh07:14
ardchoilleAh, true07:14
intelikeyyou already shot mine down and i only give one07:15
intelikeyor two07:15
ardchoilleMasterShrek: Sounds like Gutsy07:15
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intelikeymaybe fifty seven   but no more07:15
NickPrestatwylight, I don't know of any MMPORGs that are good. I've only played WoW and Guild Wars07:15
twylight>.>07:15
twylightthis is frustrating07:15
MasterShrekardchoille, yea it is, i guess i didnt think about the fact that strigi wasnt in feisty07:16
twylightand yet, this is why sourceforge exists07:16
twylightfor people like me to MAKE software that doesn't exist yet07:16
ardchoilleMasterShrek: Maybe join #ubuntu+1 ?07:16
twylighthowever I can't code07:16
MasterShrekardchoille, im in there too, i figured it out myself tho =D07:16
intelikeytwylight xml ?07:16
ardchoilletwylight: http://www.happypenguin.org/07:16
NickPrestatwylight, there's a whole world of out there that is free of charge and open source. Any missing features are your fault ;)07:17
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intelikeygametome.org   i think is another source.07:17
twylightyou guys are awesome07:18
intelikeyis another source i think ?   which is propper grammer ?07:18
twylightthanks ^_^07:18
twylightin soviet russia, another source is YOU!!07:18
ardchoilleintelikey: Proper grammar on irc? Surely you jest.07:18
intelikeyindeed07:18
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intelikeybut i really don't know which is correct english so i asked ?07:19
intelikeyneither maybe.07:19
intelikeythis language starts on the wrong side of the page anyway.07:20
NickPrestahaha07:20
NickPrestaEnglish is like Perl. Too many ways to do one thing and it looks confusing as hell to someone trying to learn the syntax ;)07:21
intelikeytrue dat07:21
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NickPrestatwylight, what do you see?07:23
twylightnone of this is real07:24
twylightI see the code07:24
twylightI am the one!07:24
twylight:P07:24
NickPrestahaha07:24
arvin2212hi guys07:24
intelikeyarvin221207:24
arvin2212:D07:24
arvin2212hmm...actually im using ubuntu07:25
arvin2212i was using kubuntu yesterday07:25
arvin2212but something went horribly wrong so i had to use ubuntu07:25
arvin2212:D07:25
arvin2212hmm07:25
twylightthe word "palindrome" should be a palindrome07:25
intelikeythe #ubuntu channel is ---------->07:25
arvin2212yes i know im there as well07:25
arvin2212:07:25
arvin2212:D07:25
intelikey!enter07:25
ubotuPlease try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!07:25
twylightD: but you're not using kubuntu07:26
intelikeynot asking support questions either   so it hardly matters...07:26
arvin2212just want to ask u guys.. im having an ati x550 graphic card. Planning to install compiz but when i update my card, i cant run the desktop effects menu...any solutions for that?07:26
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arvin2212:F07:27
intelikeythe #ubuntu channel is ---------->07:27
arvin2212ok..07:27
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intelikeynot trying to just brush you off07:27
arvin2212heh07:27
arvin2212no proem07:27
arvin2212problem*07:27
intelikeyjust that the answers that we would give are probably kde specific07:27
arvin2212just wanted to see if anyone here have encountered the same problem07:28
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intelikeypolls ?07:28
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rathelIn Ktorrent how do I check if I have full connection?07:29
intelikeyshow of hands,  how many hate polls   (or pools, which ever you like)07:29
intelikeysee everyone else hates them too07:29
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Daisuke-Laptopor does everyone love them?07:29
intelikeyDaisuke-Laptop well there's your answer...  :)07:30
Daisuke-Laptopvery paradoxical of you07:30
intelikeyty07:30
Daisuke-Laptopparadoxical?  is that a word?07:30
twylightyes it is07:30
twylightmy back hurts07:31
Daisuke-Laptopdid i use it right?07:31
intelikeyyes07:31
Daisuke-Laptopwow07:31
intelikeymore or less.07:31
Daisuke-Laptop1:30 in the morning and i didn't completely eff up :D07:31
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intelikeylike    less is more than more, cause more is less than less   <<<07:32
eMaXhi all07:32
twylightany furries in here?07:33
intelikeyeMaX07:33
twylightfurries are awesome07:33
eMaXhow can I get rid of the "device discovery" windows that pop up whenever a new bluetooth device walks by my laptop - at the same time not switching off bluetooth altogether as I use it myself07:33
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Daisuke-Laptop!offtopic |  For Bob's sake, please07:33
ubotuFor Bob's sake, please: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!07:33
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Daisuke-Laptopi wanted to say "eww"07:33
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intelikey:)07:33
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intelikeyeMaX i have no idea.    sorry.    but be patient, maybe someone else does.07:34
eMaXhr07:36
eMaXtnx07:36
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intelikeyhmmm, to bob?07:39
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pramodhello guys...07:40
intelikeypramod07:40
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pramodi need to install mp3 support for my kubuntu... anyone knows how to do it?07:40
pramodwhen i try to play an mp3 file... it tells me there is no mp3 support... :(07:42
pramodhelp me anyone..07:42
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Pramodanybody there?07:42
intelikey!mp307:42
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats07:42
JucatoPramod: install libxine-extracodecs07:42
Pramodokie thanx brothers...07:43
Pramodand anyone knows about jBaci here?07:43
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intelikey!i07:44
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about i - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi07:44
dsmithwhats a good wireless card to use, since I have broadcom in this laptop?07:44
intelikeycheck the supported hardware page07:45
dsmith:P07:45
intelikey!hardware07:45
ubotuFor lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport07:45
PramodjBaci is a concurrent programming simulator... made in java07:46
intelikeythus the preceeding "j" in it's name...07:46
Pramodand yes... i use panda3d... it tell me to use hardware accelerated driver... u know where can i get one?07:46
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intelikey!nv07:47
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto07:47
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Pramodokie07:49
intelikeyi'm not an okie,  i'm an arkie07:50
intelikeywell no i'm not that eithere07:50
intelikeybut anyway07:50
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dsmithI have a Netgear card at home I'll try that07:50
dsmithBroadcom = too much work07:50
intelikeyheard that some place     heh.   thought   "like there is a differance ???"07:51
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NickPrestaGoodnight #kubuntu!07:51
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intelikeyJucato that may be my problem,  i haven't taken any meds.      not in 12 years now.07:52
Jucatono wonder...07:52
intelikeywell you'd think it would have worked it's way out of my drug streem by now.....07:53
intelikeyerr blood.07:53
Jucato:P07:53
intelikeywhich ever you have...07:53
intelikey:)07:53
Jucatoneither07:54
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intelikeywait.  i lied.    i took two asprines   about 7 years ago,   just remembered that.        </blushes>07:55
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intelikeyseriously i think that's all.07:56
Jucatoheh07:56
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intelikeyiostream goes into toilet Jucato     shhewwy07:58
JucatoO.o07:58
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intelikeyinput output stream ...   never mind.07:59
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killermachwhere do I download gutsy? all I find is 7.04 fiesty?08:08
intelikey!gutsy08:09
ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+108:09
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Jucatokillermach: gutsy is currently still in beta, you can get or upgrade to gutsy, follow the instructions from http://kubuntu.org08:11
killermachfound it thanks https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f5208:11
notvdo you think it will be relatively stable by the 18th?08:12
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Daisuke-Laptopi'm sure08:12
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intelikeyso what new things can we expect in 8.4  or is 8.4 an LTS   i.e 8.6 ???08:12
Jucatonotv: it's supposed to be released on the 18th08:12
Daisuke-Laptopbear in mind this is google-style beta, not microsoft-style beta08:12
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Daisuke-Laptop8.04 is LTS08:13
Jucatonot even kde-style-beta :P08:13
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intelikeyDaisuke-Laptop hmmm   ok.   so it could be delaied like dapper was.    depending on the development     right.08:14
Daisuke-Laptopi've been running gutsy since a week or so after tribe 5, and i haven't had any issues with it08:14
Daisuke-Laptopit could, but pretty unlikely08:14
intelikeywasn't likely with dapper either.   but happened08:14
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Daisuke-Laptoppart of that could also be attributed to the fact that dapper was an LTS release08:15
intelikeyi wonder if any one has fixed the bug in ucf (dapper) yet ?08:15
notvwhat does LTS stand for08:15
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Daisuke-Laptoplong-term support08:15
intelikey!lts08:15
ubotuLTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.08:15
holycow!kde408:15
ubotuKDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php08:15
Daisuke-Laptopwhereas standard releases are only supported for 18 months08:16
Daisuke-Laptopwhich means as of the 8.04 release, i can officially start ignoring anyone using edgy :D08:16
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notvi couldnt get the ati card on my laptop to work well with feisty08:16
intelikeyDaisuke-Laptop you mean you haven't already ?08:16
notvi hope ill have better luck with gutsy08:16
Daisuke-Laptopintelikey: i try not to08:17
intelikeywell may bob bless you.08:17
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holycowis there a way to try kde4 on ubuntu without hosing kubuntu settings?08:17
intelikeybut you can't ignore dapper Q's for another 3.5 years   heh08:18
Daisuke-Laptoponly for server08:18
notvwhat about breezy08:18
notvhow long was that supported08:18
Daisuke-Laptopbreezy's already EOLed08:18
Daisuke-Laptopi think it stopped last october08:19
intelikeynotv dapper was the first LTS08:19
notvi see08:19
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holycowdapper has been an excellent release for us08:19
holycowfrom a user perspective08:20
intelikey;/08:20
holycowhopefully the next one will as high quality release too08:20
intelikeyhopefully much higher.08:20
holycowthat too08:20
holycowwe bought canonical support but used it only once08:20
holycowbut we will keep on buying support ... one never knkows08:21
Daisuke-Laptopholycow: if you're still using dapper, you've completely missed a year and a half of inprovements to the operating system08:21
holycow*rolls eyes*08:21
holycowyour talking to someone who has 200+ workstations to look after at work08:21
intelikey*smiles*08:21
holycowplease don't talk to me about what i'm missing08:21
Daisuke-Laptopa pleasant attitude, that's what you're missing.08:21
notvwhat are they used for?08:21
Daisuke-Laptopbut anyhow08:21
holycowthank you captain obvious08:22
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holycownotv: just regular word processing08:22
FirefisheDoes anyone here use a blackberry 8830 from Verizon and connect with it using kubuntu?08:22
intelikeydidn't know rank was present.08:22
Daisuke-Laptopthings have improved greatly since dapper's release in all areas of the OS.08:22
holycowyou haven't run a corporate network before have you?08:23
intelikeyDaisuke-Laptop how is the console improved ?08:23
Daisuke-Laptopi'm not telling you to switch everything over08:23
Daisuke-Laptopintelikey: most aspects.08:23
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holycowyour not exactly a) giving me new information considering we have a testing lab08:23
Daisuke-Laptopyou're08:23
holycowand b) in large deployments stability trumps features08:24
holycowand of course, also ...08:24
Daisuke-Laptopyes, dapper is stable08:24
Daisuke-Laptopbut it's not that great of a release08:24
holycowc) ubuntu releases are faaaaaaaaaaar to quick08:24
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Daisuke-Laptopholycow: that's your opinion08:24
Daisuke-Laptopif you don't like it, don't use it08:24
killermachthe release announcement for "version Upgrade" says "welcome to 6.10"08:24
intelikeyholycow even in one user boxes  stability trumps new *     imo.08:24
holycowof far too shitty quality to actually let a sys admin just rely on a dist upgrade08:25
Daisuke-Laptop!language08:25
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.08:25
killermachwhat did I do wrong.. I'm running a fresh install of 7.04 CDROM now08:25
intelikeykillermach wasn't you\08:25
Daisuke-Laptopholycow: if you hate it SOOO much, roll your own distro08:25
holycowyour a fucking idiot08:25
holycowyou don't even read what i write08:25
killermachI don't want to upgrade to 6.10 from 7.0408:25
Daisuke-Laptop!language08:26
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.08:26
Daisuke-Laptopi did read what you wrote08:26
holycowif you have an opinion i recommend at least making it relavent08:26
Daisuke-Laptopand you're being belligerent at best.08:26
Daisuke-Laptopi *never said* you should upgrade everything for the sake of upgrading08:26
Daisuke-Laptopif you saw that, you're putting words into my mouth, which i do not appreciate08:26
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holycowthats true, your just spouting off random opinions about things of no consequence08:26
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intelikeyok can i call  peace here.    lets burry the hatchet   but not in someone's head.08:27
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Daisuke-Laptopi'm not even going to bother08:28
killermachintelikey: if I proceed w/ upgrade will I get gutsy or 6.10?08:28
Daisuke-Laptopwindows misses you.08:28
intelikeykillermach i would "hope" that it wouldn't "downgrade" to 6.10   but i can't tell you for sure.08:28
killermachintelikey: ok.. better left for tomorrow.. thanks08:29
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killermachintelikey: ok.. it was me.. here is the pattern08:30
intelikeykillermach  one could start the process and then    cat /etc/apt/sources.list   and see if it says gutsy or edgy   if edgy   then kill it.   no harm done.08:30
killermachI open adept, click fetch updates, then version update and it says 6.1008:30
killermachI close adept reopen and DON'T click fetch updates, just click version update and I get 7.1008:30
osh_Can someone decipher this for me? Whats the version number of knetworkmanager? http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/kde/knetworkmanager08:31
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intelikeyPackage: knetworkmanager (1:0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu5)08:32
osh_intelikey: Yeah, what's the version? 1? 0.2? 1-0? 5?08:33
Daisuke-Laptop0.208:33
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intelikeyoh Hobbsee and  rob  just joined,   i guess yall will streighten up now...08:33
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Hobbseeheh08:33
robboo!08:34
osh_I'm sure it makes sense to someone but it's just confusing to me.08:34
npurcifulhello08:34
kkathmannah I never straighten up08:34
osh_Daisuke-Laptop: Ah. The number after the : is the version then? Is that true for all packages?08:34
intelikeyosh_ i'm assuming that  that is the version.    (1:0.2ubuntu1-0ubuntu5)   but i don't know.    they can use any char in the version string they want08:35
npurcifulman i am stumped, i am trying to make a script to check for mp3 then see if a ogg exists, this cant be that hard but i have spent 4hour trying to figure it out08:35
killermachgusty upgrade in progress. time to logout08:35
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osh_npurciful: Doesn't seem hard. What are you trying to do?08:37
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intelikeynpurciful give a little more info and i'm sure someone can help with it.08:38
osh_intelikey: The version numbereing is sligthly confusing don't you agree? What's with the 2 ubuntus in there? It probably means something but it isn't obvious for someone who hasn't seen it before.08:38
npurcifulosh_: resurse mp3 directory and check to see if a ogg of the same name exist in same directory08:39
intelikeyosh_ i've seen it lots.  but have no idea why they do that.    basicly the second ubuntu# gets changed with patches   but the main version  with releases08:40
npurcifulthen if it exist delete mp308:40
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npurcifulI am converting my mp3 collection to ogg08:40
Daisuke-Laptopadmirable08:41
Daisuke-Laptopbut a bad idea08:41
Daisuke-Laptopgo from source wherever possible08:41
Daisuke-Laptop(rip to ogg)08:41
npurcifuli did, but some of my collection the orginal are scratch bad and cant08:42
Daisuke-Laptopbecause transcoding from mp3 to ogg causes what you'll probably find to be unacceptable sound quality :\08:42
npurcifulyes that is a concern08:42
intelikeynpurciful find /base/dir/ -type f -iname '*.mp3' | while read Q ;do [ -f "`echo "$Q" | sed s/\.mp3/\.ogg/`" ]  && rm "$Q" ;done08:43
intelikeytest it some place safe,  i make no promices.08:43
kkathmanman that looks like greek08:43
kkathmanlol08:43
osh_intelikey: you beat me to it.08:43
intelikeyno it's   geek08:43
kkathmanwell I was trying to be nice08:44
intelikeyosh_ sorry.  next time type faster.08:44
osh_intelikey: or think faster... :-)08:44
npurcifulthanks08:44
kkathmanor just be quiet and HE looks like the geek :)08:44
intelikeykkathman actually it's simple shell grammer,   i write lots of shell scripts.08:44
holycownpurciful: Daisuke-Laptopis correct, if you can try rip from source otherwise your loosing data08:44
kkathmanme no writey the scripty much08:45
kkathmanI prefer higher levels of programming - have done WAY too much assembler and lower in  my life08:45
kkathmanshell reminds me too much of assembler lol08:46
intelikeyi wrote that in one line,  so you don't even need to make a script out of it to test it.     but do interpret "/pase/dir/"08:46
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intelikeybase/dir even.08:46
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kkathmangremlins08:47
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intelikeynpurciful find /base/dir/ -type f -iname '*.mp3' | while read Q ;do [ -f "`echo "$Q" | sed s/\.mp3/\.ogg/`" ]  && echo "rm \"$Q\"" ;done    <<< by using that you can test what it will do, without it doing anything.08:48
npurcifulscript worked08:49
intelikeyof course it worked,    only question is "did it work correctly"    :)))\08:49
npurcifulthat is why i have reduntant backups08:50
intelikeynpurciful :)08:50
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intelikeynpurciful  also when someone in irc gives a multi-command string  and you are putting it in a script    you can convert each single  ;  into a newline.  thus making the script much more readable.08:51
kkathmanwhat upgrade provided a broken xorg?08:51
intelikeynpurciful  ; && || &    are all command seperators.08:51
intelikeythey do each function somewhat differently though.  not exactly interchangable08:52
npurcifuli just dont know about this ogg thing though i know there would be loss when converting to ogg08:52
intelikeyno,  doesn't need to be.08:53
npurcifuloh crap all my song that are convert are 1second short08:53
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intelikeyogg can be loss less08:53
intelikeynpurciful eeek.  that's not good.08:53
intelikeywhat did you use to convert them ?08:53
npurcifulhum08:53
npurcifulaudiokonv08:53
intelikeymp32ogg08:53
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npurcifulokay08:54
intelikey!find mp32ogg08:54
intelikey!info vorbis-tools08:54
ubotuFound: mp32ogg08:54
ubotuvorbis-tools: several Ogg Vorbis tools. In component main, is optional. Version 1.1.1-6build1 (feisty), package size 98 kB, installed size 732 kB08:54
intelikeythat's the command and the package you find it in.08:54
npurcifulokay08:55
intelikeycan be used in a script to convert them.   man mp32ogg   has the specifics on how to use.  and the same syntax i gave for finding the files can easily be converted to do the converting.08:55
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intelikeyi think i made a script for that one time.  i'll see if i still have it.   something like    convert-mp3.sh base/dir/name     was the simple syntax for it.   and it made .oggs out of all mp3's.08:57
intelikeyhmm not on this box.... checking another.08:57
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intelikeyno can't find it.  but if you can't figure it out just give a yell and i'll drop you another line.08:58
intelikeynpurciful and  #bash   is a wonderful place to find help with shell scripts.      when me or stdin are not here.08:59
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intelikeyor you could use audacity to convert them.   but that's a little like using a jack hammer to drive a thumb tack09:01
npurcifulokay09:01
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npurcifuli will use find w/ exec09:03
kkathmanwhat would be the command you put in the konq browser to look at all computers on a network??09:03
kkathmanif Im using smb?09:03
intelikeyworks but you can't string commands inside of find can you ?     i never got it to work right...09:03
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kkathmanI know in ubuntu you can put network:// and its bring sup everything on the network09:04
kkathmanbut is there nothing in Konq?09:04
intelikeykkathman why not in konqueror ?09:04
intelikeyoh.09:04
npurcifuli dont know maybe you cant09:04
stdinkkathman: smb:/09:04
intelikeythree slashes.09:04
kkathmandoesnt work09:04
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kkathmanwell smb works but it gives it by share - instead of by box09:05
kkathmanoh wait its doesnt09:05
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kkathmanit just does a Locate on smb09:06
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danny500#ubuntu09:06
kkathmanahhh its smb:///09:06
intelikeydidn't i say that ?09:07
kkathmanbut it only brings up the windows networks :( not the other 2 linux boxes I have :(09:07
intelikeypicky picky....09:07
intelikey:)09:07
kkathmanyeah but it doesnt include the linux boes09:07
kkathman:(09:07
stdinsmb:/  shows me the workgroups, then the servers, then the shares09:07
stdinincluding linux samba servers09:07
kkathmanrught09:07
intelikeysorry.  you have exhosted my database09:07
kkathmannope doesnt show the linux ones09:08
kkathmanbut nautilus does09:08
kkathmanodd09:08
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kkathmanahhh I see what happend09:08
kkathmanheh09:09
kkathmanfunny09:09
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presto101anyone care to chat for a sec about kubuntu and kde09:09
kkathmanI need to change the linux boxes' workgroup :)09:09
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intelikeypresto101 general chatter   in  #kubuntu-offtopic     support in here09:09
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intelikeyor general chatter in here until stdin gets tired of it.09:10
presto101im new to linux and ive only really worked a bit with gnome09:10
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presto101oh ok sorry09:10
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intelikeypresto101 if it's questions about the system  just ask in here09:11
presto101shall i leave or stay09:11
intelikeyyes09:11
intelikey:)09:11
intelikeystay.  he'll tell you if it's time to move on.09:11
presto101im familiar with gnome not so much with kde what are kde's strengths09:12
intelikeyright click everything09:12
Daisuke-Laptoppresto101: are you familiar with the image comparing the remote control for men with the remote control for women?09:12
stdinit's extremely configurable09:12
presto101ah good analogy daisuke-laptop09:12
intelikeyxsreemly09:13
npurcifulfind -iname *.mp3 -exec \mp32ogg --quality=10 --verbose {} \; output ogg is still 1second sort09:13
presto101i just wanted to explore as i get familiar with linux to find for me the right enviroment09:14
npurcifulhum09:14
intelikey!codecs | npurciful could it be a missing codec?09:14
ubotunpurciful could it be a missing codec?: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats09:14
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stdinpresto101: you can install it along side gnome to try it out09:14
Daisuke-Laptoppresto101: try em all, play around, there's nothing wrong with that at all09:14
presto101up until now its been mostly mint but i think im wanting something more09:14
npurcifuli got lame and vorb installed09:15
intelikeypresto101 just add the other desktop environments   and test09:15
presto101how stable is 7.10 beta09:15
intelikeynpurciful does it give any error message ?09:15
stdinit's beta, that should give a clue to stability09:15
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intelikeypresto101 beta09:16
intelikeyat least as stable as water09:16
Daisuke-Laptoppresto101: for most hardware configurations?  more stable than the initial release of a new OS from that other company09:16
npurcifulno just moves on to the next song09:16
stdinit may never break for you, but then it may09:16
presto101i was thinking about trying it09:16
Daisuke-Laptopit's the *most* that poses the problem09:16
presto101from the screenshots kubuntu looks the nicest out of it mepis and pclos09:17
intelikeynpurciful idk.  without an error message to go on, i can't even venture a guess09:18
presto101well enough of me asking silly questions im gonna install be back later09:18
intelikeytre bon chance pinguin09:19
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Daisuke-Laptopwell, bedtime(ish)09:19
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osh_How do I modify the path that modprobe looks into? I need it to look in more places for modules...09:22
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stdinmore places? modules should only be in /lib/modules/KERNEL_VERSION09:23
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twylighta cat is gine too09:23
twylightI failed09:23
twylightplease do not look upon my shameful failure at an internet meme09:23
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osh_Hmm. Modueles that I need loaded are in 2.6.20-15-something and my currently running kernel is 2.6.20-16. The modules work if I load them manually though.09:25
presto101well im installing 7.10 right now09:25
osh_Just copy them to the correct place or should I do something more elegant?09:25
_2ah good timming... on the reset.      i think i will make last rounds now.   and just walk slower.    gooday fellows.09:25
stdinosh_: you can't load modules from a different kernel version09:26
stdinosh_: or rather, it's a bad idea09:26
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osh_stdin: it's vmware-modules like vmnet and vmmon. It works loading them but how do you suggest I do?09:27
stdinosh_: for the server or player?09:27
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osh_stdin: server. Remove the package and reinstall it?09:28
stdinosh_: the package "vmware-server-kernel-modules" should make sure the version for your kernel are installed09:28
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osh_stdin: vmware-server-kernel-modules-2.6.20-15 2.6.20.5-15.20                         vmware-server modules for Linux (kernel 2.6.20)09:30
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osh_stdin: That's the one I have installed. But I use teh 2.6.20-16 kernel.09:31
osh_s/teh/the/g09:31
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stdin!info vmware-server-kernel-modules-2.6.20-16 | osh_09:32
ubotuosh_: vmware-server-kernel-modules-2.6.20-16: vmware-server modules for Linux (kernel 2.6.20). In component restricted, is optional. Version 2.6.20.5-16.29 (feisty), package size 2709 kB, installed size 7096 kB09:32
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osh_stdin: Huh? Shouldn't I get that as an update since I have a version of them installed already?09:33
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stdinosh_: only if you have "vmware-server-kernel-modules" installed (not the same as "vmware-server-kernel-modules-2.6.20-15")09:34
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osh_stdin: This one? vmware-server-kernel-modules           2.6.20.15.14                           vmware-server kernel module dependency package09:35
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stdinosh_: make sure you have the security/multiverse repository enabled09:36
npurcifulokay, i guess i am going to lave my mp3 collection mp3, and intelikey thanks for the script i used it to delete the convert files instead of the other way around :)09:39
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kkathmanwhen something is beta - I think people need to realize that you SHOULD NOT install it unless you want to help the ubuntu peeps debug things, otherwise LEAVE IT ALONE :) hehe09:41
npurcifulthis one second deal can only be from converting mp3 > wave > vorbis09:41
kkathmanI just saw 2 more people asking about the "beta" gutsy :)09:41
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bentob0xk while we're on the subject with the modules, how can I add some more modules?09:48
stdincompile and install them09:48
bentob0xis there no way to add them dynamically?09:48
stdinthey can be loaded and unloaded dynamically09:48
stdinbut you can't just drop a module in and say "use it"09:49
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bentob0xok have a quick look here if you don't mind stdin: http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/netsetup.html#linux_host_setup09:49
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bentob0xI'm a bit stuck there, not knowing the internals of the linux kernel09:49
bentob0x(yet)09:49
bentob0x:)09:49
stdinbentob0x: don't worry about that. I know (because I've used pearpc) it "just works" :)09:50
bentob0xahaa09:50
bentob0xI tried it but it doesn't seem to want to enable networking09:50
osh_stdin: security/multiverse. Will have a look for it.09:50
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stdinbentob0x: you have to run pearpc as root (sudo ppc configfile)09:51
bentob0xk going to try now09:51
osh_stdin: Should the security-repository also contain the "multiverse" word?09:52
stdinosh_: should be a line like "deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security multiverse"  (or just add multiverse to the end of a like like that)09:52
stdinand make sure restricted is in there too09:53
osh_stdin: Did that. Got some new packages to install now it seems. Thanks for the tip.09:54
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osh_And there's the kernel modules too. Thanks a bunch.09:56
stdin:)09:56
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ksivajiis it possible to edit a pdf file09:59
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osh_ksivaji: Depends. But generally yes.10:00
ksivajiosh_ how is there any tool for that10:00
ksivajipdf is a read only text file or its a image file10:01
osh_http://www.linux.com/articles/11390710:01
osh_ksivaji: http://www.linux.com/articles/11390710:01
ksivajiosh_  ok10:01
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osh_ksivaji: But some pdfs are write-protected and other odd things. So it might not work all the time.10:02
osh_ksivaji: Also, Adobe has a pdf-editor in their commercial app. (Not just the reader). Don't know the name? Acrobat?10:03
ksivajiosh_  i am kubunt how can i use acrobat10:04
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stdinyou can download acrobat reader, but it's not in the repos10:05
ksivajiho10:06
stdinfrom adobe10:06
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tommyscusate, c' qualcuno a cui possa chiedere una cosa?10:30
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zenumhey, i just download the gusy beta and upon booting up on a toshiba laptop i got ridiculously huge fonts... is there a way to change the dpi in the live cd before fully booting up?10:33
Jucato!it | tommy10:33
ubotutommy: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!10:33
tommyok thanks10:34
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zenumi've seen on forums and bug reports that similar things have been happening in gnome.. but i havn't found any occurences in kde...10:35
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elitroui'm trying to install nokia pc suite and get an error message msi.dll missing. how do i fix it?10:49
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elitrouanyone here?10:51
Mr_Sonomai havent ever used the site nor do i know where in your wine system to put the .dll but looks like you can download it from here: http://www.dll-files.com/dllindex/dll-files.shtml?msi10:51
elitrouonce downloaded, where should i save it?10:51
Mr_Sonomafound that on a quick google search for msi.dll10:51
Mr_Sonomaagain i dont use wine so i dont know.10:52
elitrouthanks anyhow :)10:52
Mr_Sonomasorry i couldnt be more help, if you look at wine.hq i think it is (the wine website) you may fine a wiki on that issue10:52
Mr_Sonoma!wine10:52
ubotuwine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.10:52
Mr_Sonomaor use the like ubotu just gave10:53
Mr_Sonomalink even10:53
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elitrouthanks guys, sorry for a newbie questions - i am a newbie :)10:56
Mr_Sonomahttp://www.linuxforums.org/forum/wine/57825-install-dlls-wine.html turned up after a google search for .dll in wine looks like it might have the info you need10:56
Mr_Sonomaremember google.com is your friend =)10:56
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arunFUCK10:59
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twylightMYTHBUSTERS11:01
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elitrouI have a strange problem - java is not recognized as a valid command in the konsole, despite the fact that sun's JRe is installed. any ideas?11:07
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shar9313join #winehq11:10
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twylightwhat the fuck was that11:12
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twylighton a similar note, elitrou, I cannot run runescape in any browser under kubuntu11:12
emilsedgh_!mouth11:12
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about mouth - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi11:12
Mr_Sonoma!language11:13
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.11:13
twylightk11:13
Mr_Sonomathat the one you were looking for emilsedgh_ ?11:13
emilsedgh_yes Mr_Sonoma :), thanks :)11:13
Mr_Sonoma=)11:13
bmarkshi new to irc, how do i register a nic?11:13
pag!register | bmarks11:13
ubotubmarks: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration11:13
Mr_Sonomabmarks type /nickserv help11:14
twylight /msg nickserv help register11:14
bmarksthanks\11:14
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twylightI need food11:17
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adlisyakirhye11:18
lars_Hallo11:18
adlisyakiri had done installation of kubuntu 6.06 for my laptop11:18
twylightok11:18
adlisyakirso, i want to connect the internet with using wireless that are built-in in my laptop11:18
lars_i don`t speak english11:18
adlisyakirso, it detected the cavorage of wireless11:19
pag!de | lars_11:19
ubotulars_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de11:19
twylightis knetworkmanager installed?11:19
twylightit should be11:19
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adlisyakirbut.. went i want click and connected.. it fail11:19
adlisyakireven i put the security password from wireless courage11:20
adlisyakirwhy? who know to overcome this problem11:20
twylightwhat kind of encryption does your network use?11:20
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adlisyakirencryption?? what do u mean? the model of wireless or whaT/11:23
adlisyakir?11:23
adlisyakiri'm using wireless that are built-in in my laptop11:23
twylightyour network11:23
twylightmight be encrypted with AES, WPA, WEP11:24
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adlisyakirWEP11:24
alexandre#ubuntu-fr11:24
adlisyakirWEP with a password..11:24
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twylightASCII password11:24
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adlisyakirso, i'm just set automatic, and put the WEP security with click at ASCII11:25
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adlisyakirbut it still not connect.. i say conection failed..11:25
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twylightmaybe he didn't want help11:31
Mr_Sonomadunno11:33
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Mr_Sonomawell maybe i should take a min and ask for some help with my ATI nightmare on my 2nd computer =) the screen doesnt fit the monitor......windows show bigger than the actual CRT screen11:35
Mr_Sonomarestricted modules and uh...i forget the other is installed from the repo11:35
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ardchoilleCompiling an app, I get this "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!"  How do I solve this error?11:43
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pag!xincludes | ardchoille11:44
ubotuardchoille: When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   xorg-dev11:44
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ardchoillepag: Ah, figured as much, thank you11:44
pagnp :)11:45
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dhqJucato: hey11:58
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dhqJucato: well about the desktop search it takes memory as it indexes all the files11:59
Jucatodhq: yes?11:59
dhqJucato: so it takes 100% memory11:59
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Jucatoyes?12:00
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Maxey2hello12:14
Maxey2i'm new to linux and i would like to know how do i change folder permissions to my user?12:14
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pagMaxey2, what are you trying to achieve?12:15
Maxey2i want to copy some files to a folder in the usr folder12:15
Maxey2but it won't let me12:16
ardchoilleMaxey2: If it's a folder outside your $HOME, then it's a bad idea to change perms on it12:16
pagMaxey2, why do you need to copy there?12:16
Maxey2but i really need to copy these files there12:16
Maxey2to install flash12:16
ardchoilleMaxey2: Use sudo to copy12:16
ardchoille!sudo | Maxey212:16
ubotuMaxey2: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.12:16
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ardchoille!flash | Maxey212:16
ubotuMaxey2: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash12:16
Maxey2i tried, but when i'm on roo, i can't even navigate through irectories12:16
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Maxey2yeah, bnut i'm using ubuntu6412:17
stdin!flash64 | Maxey212:17
ubotuMaxey2: You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava12:17
ardchoilleMaxey2: flash on 64 bit is very tricky12:17
Maxey2i noticed12:17
Maxey2and i only used linux for the first time yesterday12:18
ardchoilleMaxey2: You need to learn about sudo12:18
Maxey2i have a rough idea12:18
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Maxey2well, top be honest i know what it does, but not how to use it12:19
stdinread the link from ubotu12:19
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Maxey2i have the wrapper installed12:19
Maxey2i just can't copy the files12:19
ardchoilleMaxey2: If you read that sudo tutorial, you'll know how12:20
Maxey2ok thanks12:20
stdinthat nspluginwrapper can be buggy and eats CPU (so I've been told)12:20
ardchoilleI wouldn't even bother with the 64bit release right now.12:20
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Maxey2man, i don't want to switch to vista just to watch some homestarrunner12:21
Maxey2:p12:21
stdinyou know you can run a 32bit install on 64bit hardware?12:22
Maxey2i know12:23
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Maxey2they gave me this cd12:23
Maxey2but from what i see, i rather just get a 32bit version12:23
Maxey2anyway, i'm loving ubuntu and linux in general12:24
Maxey2only if this supported direct-x...12:24
Maxey2i would just ditch windows12:24
stdincan't support directX, it's a MS product12:24
Maxey2yeah12:25
stdin(and they obviously won't let us use it)12:25
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twylightso clone it12:25
Maxey2i heard there's some basic wrappers, but they're far from perfect12:25
stdintwylight: why?12:25
stdinwe have OpenGL12:25
twylightwe should start a project to provide directx functionality on linux12:25
stdinthat's on windows two12:25
twylightit'd open up more options12:25
stdintell developers to support it12:26
Maxey2ms would lose way too much money open-source direct-x12:26
stdinin face OpenGL runs on windows, linuz, Mac, BSD, etc12:26
stdin*linux12:26
Maxey2does ubuntu have an image burner?12:28
stdinseveral12:28
Maxey2kewl12:28
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stdinK3B is one of the best (and pre-installed in kubuntu)12:28
Maxey2downloading ubuntu 32bits12:28
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Maxey2at almost 1Mb12:28
Maxey2would be rad if i could downgrade it while keeping my stuff12:29
Maxey2:p12:29
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stdinthat's why having a separate /home partition is nice12:30
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Maxey2irc in my country is just dead12:33
Maxey2i used to be there on its peak12:33
ardchoilleJust noticed that the Command textbox in kmenuedit has tab completion. Nice :)12:34
Maxey2hey is there a way to put fonts like they were on windows12:34
Maxey2i don't dig ubuntu fonts much12:34
stdin!fonts12:35
ubotuFont installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer12:35
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stdinugg, forget that link, it's "gnomified"12:35
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Maxey2what does that mean?12:36
stdinSystem Settings > Appearance > Fonts  to configure fonts12:36
Maxey2that i know12:36
Maxey2but i don't like the fonts a lot12:37
stdin"gnomified" is the word I use to describe a page with gnome-only instructions12:37
stdinuntil I "kdeifiy" the page12:37
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ardchoillestdin: There are several which could use "kdeifying"12:38
stdinMaxey2: there are tons of fonts, open Adept and search for "font"12:38
stdinardchoille: yeah, I usually trawl the wiki/help pages and do it. takes forever tho12:38
Jucatos/several/lots/12:39
stdins/lots/just about all/12:39
Jucatos/just about all/(just about all still means lots)/12:39
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stdins/(just about all still means lots)/(just about all still means "lots")/12:40
Jucato:D12:41
Maxey2linux talk?12:41
ardchoilleyes12:41
stdinsed talk12:41
Maxey2k12:41
stdins/thing to replace/what to replace with/12:41
ardchoilles/old text/new text/12:41
Maxey2haha, i see12:41
Maxey2clever12:41
ardchoilleMaxey2: When you learn to use the sed editor, you'll be using that12:42
Maxey2what's it for?12:42
ardchoilleediting text in files12:42
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stdinif you have a text file that you want to replace all instances of a word/phrase with another word/phrase you use "sed 's/phrase 1/phrase 2/' file.txt" for example12:43
Maxey2like, i could translate an app with that?12:43
stdinthere are better ways to translate, but you could12:43
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Maxey2ffs, adept needs root access12:44
stdinwell, yeah, it does12:44
Maxey2what do i have to do?12:44
Maxey2just su root?12:44
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stdinno12:44
pagMaxey2, kdesu adept_manager12:44
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Maxey2in terminal?12:45
stdinwhen you start adept from the menu it asks for your password12:45
Maxey2it didn't12:45
pagMaxey2, yup. or in Run Command (alt+f2)12:45
ardchoilleMaxey2: When you need to launch a gui app from the terminal, you need to use kdesu: kdesu app_name12:45
Maxey2alright12:45
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ardchoillestdin: If you have apt-get running in a term and try to launch adept from the menu, do you get a popup warning telling you why adept won't be launched?12:46
Mr_Sonomayou click on adept from a default install it should ask for your password...the link in the kmenu should already be set to run as root.12:46
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Maxey2now it asked for pass12:49
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Maxey2had to install kdesu12:49
ardchoilleMr_Sonoma: if you run adept_manager from a term (non-root) you get a warning that you won't be able to use it for much.12:49
stdinardchoille: I get this http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5494/test7wr5.jpg12:49
ardchoilleMaxey2: You on Ubuntu instead of Kubuntu?12:49
Maxey2Ubuntu 7.0412:49
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ardchoillestdin: Oh, ok, that's good.12:50
ardchoilleMaxey2: Maybe you should be in #ubuntu12:50
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Mr_Sonomaardchoille, yes i understand but if your using a gui app then why not click the gui link in the K menu to begin with?12:50
Maxey2oh, you've been of help anyway12:50
ardchoilleMr_Sonoma: He is on Ubuntu, he doesn't have kdesu12:50
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King_anarkyhey guys12:50
King_anarkycan i get some help mounting a ntfs drive, second hd for file storage12:51
_AhtiKing_anarky, run fdisk -l /dev/hda12:51
_Ahtisee which partition it is12:51
King_anarkyits a completely different drive12:51
Mr_Sonomaardchoille, then i have missed something in the convo because now im wondering why use Adept instead of Synapic if using Gnome12:51
_Ahtiah, which?12:51
King_anarkysecond 1.3gb media12:52
_Ahtik12:52
_Ahtihmm12:52
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King_anarkysays it has no Dev= entry12:52
_Ahtisoz, i've been using *BSD a lot lately, just trying to remember how it all goes on Linux12:52
ardchoilleMr_Sonoma: That is because we assumed you were on Kubuntu.. since you came into this channel. That is why I usggested that you join #ubuntu12:52
ardchoilles/you/he/12:52
_Ahtihd0a would be hda1 in linux... right?12:53
Mr_Sonomaardchoille, got ya12:53
King_anarkyyeh12:53
_Ahtino12:53
King_anarkyits hdd1 for the drive in question12:53
Mr_Sonoma</confusion> LOL12:53
_Ahtiyeah12:53
King_anarkyhd ide sec slave (D)12:53
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_Ahtisay you have a folder called NTFS in your /media or /mnt12:53
King_anarkydolphin can SEE it but wont let me mount it12:53
King_anarkyok should i see?12:53
_Ahti"sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdd1 /mnt/NTFS"12:53
Maxey2i only need to directly open the iso file with the cd creator and burn it?12:54
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Mr_SonomaMaxey2, yes12:54
Maxey2ok12:54
ardchoilleMaxey2: burn is as an image, not as data12:54
_AhtiKing_anarky: i think if you want it to be writable you'll need to do "sudo mount -t ntfs -o rw /dev/hdd1 /mnt/NTFS"12:54
Maxey2yeah, it's burning as image12:55
King_anarkyok12:55
_AhtiThat should do it :)12:55
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ardchoilleMaxey2: Are you burning ubuntu or kubuntu?12:55
Maxey2ubuntu12:55
King_anarkyhrm12:55
Maxey2but is kubuntu better?12:55
ardchoilleMaxey2: You really are better off in #ubuntu because they can give you help specific to Ubuntu12:55
King_anarkydoesnt exist, perhaps because i could not create the folder at /mnt/ntfs/12:55
King_anarkyh/o12:55
ardchoilleMaxey2: I feel kubuntu is better, yes12:56
Maxey2what is the difference?12:56
ardchoilleMaxey2: All depends on whether you prefer the kde desktop or the gnome desktop12:56
King_anarkyi like kubuntu better also12:56
King_anarkyless problems on my end12:56
King_anarkyhowever12:56
King_anarkykinsole command for make dir12:56
_AhtiKing_anarky: yeah you need to run "mkdir /mnt/ntfs" -.-12:56
King_anarkyty12:56
Maxey2what the hell, i'll just kubuntu also12:56
Maxey2*get12:56
ardchoillehehe12:57
Maxey2!kubuntu12:57
ubotuKubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE12:57
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King_anarky>   <i get that?12:57
_AhtiMaxey2, there's a meta-package found in synaptics12:57
ardchoilleMaxey2: Get the Desktop cd for both and try them both.12:57
_AhtiMaxey2, Kubuntu is installable from the ubuntu repos12:57
Maxey2is the beta stable?12:57
_Ahtii think if you ran "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" you SHOULD end up with Kubuntu equivalent 0.012:58
_Ahti@ Maxey212:58
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King_anarkyok i got ntfs folder made12:58
Maxey2it'll just switch gnome to kde or do i need to make another insatllation?12:59
King_anarkyhrm so far so good..12:59
King_anarkybrb12:59
King_anarkyok it mounted something12:59
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King_anarky"Could not enter /mnt/ntfs01:00
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_Ahticould not enter? did you run "mkdir /mnt/ntfs"?01:01
King_anarkythe dir is made yes01:01
_Ahtiok01:01
_Ahtiso did you try cd into /mnt/ntfs?01:02
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King_anarkythat worked in konsole01:02
_Ahtiright01:02
King_anarkynow i need to do it in KDE01:02
Maxey2what is the best way to get kubuntu?01:03
_AhtiIf you're lazy, just download the .iso01:03
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Maxey2ok01:03
_AhtiIf you're willing to try, run "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"01:03
King_anarkyi got the iso :D01:03
_Ahtiand it'll download every package for it01:04
Maxey2it'll just switch desktops?01:04
King_anarkycuz i was using windows01:04
_Ahtiiso's better if you just wanna try kubuntu01:04
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King_anarkyi actually think ill stay right here on KDe01:04
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Fl3gmatak to mi ho vyndej Ivane....01:05
Fl3gma:D01:05
Fl3gmapet minut stresu..01:05
_Ahti!english01:05
ubotuThe #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat01:05
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King_anarkymount point must be below /media01:05
_AhtiI don't speak my many languages... respect the community -.-01:05
_Ahtithen mount it to01:05
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_Ahtito /media01:06
King_anarkyalready mounted or busy01:06
King_anarkyapparently it worked yet i cant do anything even see it as root01:06
King_anarkyi can dir in konsole01:07
King_anarkyand after all that the file i want isnt on it01:07
King_anarkylol01:07
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_Ahtilol01:08
sbucatinohi i have gutsy when i install it the sound and microfone is so nice when i upgrade microfone are not so nice (alsamixer maxmized)01:08
Maxey2i hope k3b doesn't also screw my disk01:08
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adlisyakirhow to install wireless dirver in my laptop using kubuntu 6.0601:12
wiki_hi01:12
King_anarkyget 7.04 :D01:12
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King_anarkywell thx for the help _ahti01:13
Maxey2ok i'm out to install ubuntu 3201:13
King_anarkyciao01:13
Maxey2later01:13
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adlisyakirhye 7.04 can install in Pentium M or not?01:17
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zorglu_q. i would like to create a .zip file from the command line? which tool can do it ?01:18
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pagzorglu_, " zip directory " ?01:19
zorglu_pag: seems good, thanks :)01:20
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pagzorglu_, actually, not quite, but that's the tool - read man-pages for instructions01:20
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zorglu_pag: that i can do, i only wanted to know the name of the tool :)01:20
_Ahtils /var/cache/apt/packages01:21
_Ahti...01:21
_Ahtisigh01:21
pagzorglu_, ok :)01:21
_Ahtiwrong window -.-01:21
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laoioioi01:26
cacrusHi , i m using kubuntu Feisty , my Keyboard has suddenly stopped working in kubuntu , it works with other users ,01:27
cacruscan anyone help ?01:27
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DiThihi01:32
DiThianyone using gutsy?01:32
_AhtiDiThi, /join #ubuntu+101:33
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KubuntuHow do I start gconftool --recursive-unset?01:33
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Kubuntu#edubuntu01:34
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chookplantange Xorg :( ecran noir total !!01:38
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jamison_any python scripters here01:44
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WorkRoeywhat's up?01:44
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adlisyakirhye01:45
adlisyakirhelp me01:45
adlisyakirotaimerz@kubuntu:~$ iwconfig01:45
jamison_how do you add to your paths01:45
adlisyakirlo        no wireless extensions.01:45
adlisyakireth0      no wireless extensions.01:45
adlisyakireth1      IEEE 802.11b  ESSID:""  Nickname:"HERMES I"01:45
adlisyakir          Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.457 GHz  Access Point: None01:45
adlisyakir          Bit Rate:2 Mb/s   Sensitivity:1/301:45
adlisyakir          Retry limit:4   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off01:45
adlisyakir          Power Management:off01:45
adlisyakir          Link Quality=0/92  Signal level=134/153  Noise level=134/15301:45
adlisyakir          Rx invalid nwid:0  Rx invalid crypt:0  Rx invalid frag:001:45
adlisyakir          Tx excessive retries:0  Invalid misc:0   Missed beacon:001:45
adlisyakirsit0      no wireless extensions.01:45
adlisyakiri cannot connect to the wireless internet01:45
adlisyakirwhy01:45
adlisyakirwhy?01:45
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Developingcheck your passkey01:46
adlisyakirpasskey for what?01:46
Developingfor the AP connection01:46
ardchoille!paste | adlisyakir01:46
ubotuadlisyakir: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)01:46
Developingabout kubuntu 7.10Beta: There's a bug in kmyfirewall01:47
adlisyakiri'm using 6.0601:47
_Ahtiardchoille: You can't connect to the internet? You think that paste helped..?01:47
_Ahtiardchoille: Does it use WPA/TKIP enc?01:48
adlisyakirso i'm not understand about linux.. i'm new user.01:48
_AhtiYeah i can see... back to my previous question?01:49
ardchoilleDeveloping: Perhaps you should make that bug known in #ubuntu+1 or file a bug report.01:49
Developingthank you ardchoille :)01:49
_AhtiOops, i've talked to the wron person -.-01:49
jamison_is there any python channels on here?01:49
_Ahtilol, soz01:49
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ardchoille_Ahti: :)01:50
_Ahtiadlisyakir: Does it use WPA enc?01:50
adlisyakirit using WEP01:50
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_Ahtiwep, ok01:51
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adlisyakirso, how to solve this problem..01:52
adlisyakiri want to connect the wireless internet using my laptop dell 40001:52
DevelopingI can go out ... see you later Guy :) Byez01:52
_Ahtiyeah yeah, just wait01:52
_Ahtiiwconfig ra0 mode managed01:53
_Ahtiiwconfig ra0 key open01:53
_Ahtiiwconfig ra0 key off01:53
_Ahtiiwconfig ra0 essid "AP's SSID"01:53
_Ahtijust replace ra0 with eth101:53
_Ahtithen run dhclient eth101:54
adlisyakirok.. then.. u think it will help?01:55
_Ahtiyes01:56
_Ahti...no wait01:56
adlisyakir_Ahti, see this : http://www.geocities.com/bangiwebnet/snapshot1.jpg , http://www.geocities.com/bangiwebnet/snapshot2.jpg , http://www.geocities.com/bangiwebnet/snapshot3.jpg  even it show like that, it still connection fail like i say before when iwconfig01:56
_Ahtisorry01:56
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_Ahtiiwconfig ra0 mode managed01:57
_Ahtiiwconfig ra0 key restricted01:57
_Ahtiiwconfig ra0 key [1]  "s:AP's wep key"01:57
_Ahtiiwconfig ra0 key [1] 01:57
_Ahtiiwconfig ra0 essid "AP's SSID"01:57
_AhtiTHAT's what you do -.-01:57
_Ahtiyet again, replace ra0 with eth1 and make it go with your setup01:57
adlisyakirok.. i will try..01:58
adlisyakirwant to change my os which i must restart windows first. ok01:59
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svintunghello, im having a problem connecting the internet with KDE(konqueror,kopete,ktorrent,etc), it works perfect with other non-kde applications like firefox, amsn and so on.. anyone know what can be wrong?02:33
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pagsvintung, does ping www.google.com  work?02:34
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svintungyep, im online, talking with you right now :)02:35
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pagsvintung, ok... the problem is probably due knetworkmanager - try turning it off (right click -> quit) and see, if Konq. starts to work02:36
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didomanhi all02:39
svintungpag: it worked!02:39
svintungthanks alot02:39
pagsvintung, np :)02:39
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didomanqueldu'un peut me dire comment installer le driver de ma carte graphique Nvidia ?02:40
Chousuke!fr02:40
GuHHHis there any way to translate chm files?02:40
ubotuAllez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.02:40
didomanok thanks02:41
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Lacrymologywhat's a good app to synchronize my sysclock?02:44
Lacrymologyit's way off02:44
DiThiLacrymology: sudo ntpdate pool.ntp.org02:44
LacrymologyI think it does it at startup, but the modem was off, and it didin't an' I dont want to restart02:44
Lacrymologythanks02:44
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geniiJucato: :)02:51
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kkathmanactually I need sleep more :(02:51
geniikkathman: Yeah me too, but not much choice, work starts at a certain hour ...bleh02:52
kkathmanlol02:52
kkathmanI just sleep in my chair at my desk02:53
kkathmanlol02:53
kkathmanwith any luck no one will come in02:53
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geniiMine is not comfortable enough for that02:53
stdin_I truely hate windows02:53
kkathmanstdin:  I dont hate it, but its certainly frustrating at times02:54
geniistdin_: I hate even more the devices which rely on the insodes of Windows to drive them like winmodems and host-dependant printers etc02:54
genii*insides02:54
kkathmanthere are still winmodems ?02:54
kkathmangee I thought those went away years ago02:54
stdin_this is on my mothers laptop, I've tried direct connection, samba share and IPP. now I'm trying a PostScript driver02:55
kkathmanthey werent a good idea back then either02:55
geniikkathman: Almost all Conexants, then you have PCTel, SmartLink, etc etc02:55
kkathmanugh02:55
kkathmanunfortunately, I dont see the end of windows any time soon02:56
geniistdin_: So you can acess it from an external Kubuntu box?02:57
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geniikkathman: Me either02:57
kkathmanBut to be honest, I'd really just like to see a coexistent world - where peropherl devices were much less OS despendent and the same for web standards compliancy02:58
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BuztocdrGood Day. I have a question - is it a right way to upgrade kubuntu with feisty replacing to gutsy @ sources.list?03:00
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stdin_genii: I can access it from this PC (Kubuntu) which it's connected to, I can access it from my laptop (Kubuntu) with IPP, I can access it from a VM (XP) with samba. But Vista... BAH!03:00
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geniistdin_: Did you install in windows the "Unix Printing Services" ?03:01
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ubuntu_hugh _03:02
stdin_genii: vista doesn't have that service (in the network setup), but the equivelent "Internet Printing" option is on03:02
ubuntu_ok03:02
stdin_looks like the postscript driver works tho, test page printed :)03:02
stdin_had to get it from adobe and install in XP compatibility mode, but it got it03:03
geniistdin_: Bah they changed it again then (Unix Printing Services). ...lag...Postscript driver is usually pretty safe03:03
geniiBuztocdr: Since Edgy there is the upgrade-manager03:04
Buztocdrgenii: Do u mean adept updater?03:05
geniiBuztocdr: No03:06
geniiI'll find a link03:07
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geniiBuztocdr: The upgrade page of Edgy to Feisty has the info here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades process from Feisty to Gutsy will be similar03:08
Buztocdrgenii: Thank You for attention.03:08
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geniistdin_: I generally use network printers now03:17
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stdin_genii: this is on my home net, it's a Lexmark X118003:20
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geniistdin_: I had pretty good experience with Lexmark. Usually pretty durable construction etc and drivers available. Tho mainly for printers i am an HP fanboy LOL. I own 5 HP laserjet 4 series printers and 1 series 5 colour one03:23
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stdin_well, before this lexmark I had a "dell", that was fun to setup :p03:24
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thomas_hi03:25
RurouniJonesIs there a handy batch renaming program included with Kubuntu?03:25
JucatoRurouniJones: not installed by default. you can install krename03:26
RurouniJonesChears03:26
RurouniJonesI was half expecting some smartarse to suggest a tortuous series of shell commands :)03:26
LjLmeh, tortuous series03:27
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LjLthere is a "rename" command.03:27
thomas_I'm looking for an application that can somewhat correcly calculate the remaining time my battery has before it's empty? Powermanager doesn't seem do do this even remotly correct, so I was wondering if anyone had a better alternative?03:27
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thomas_anybody?03:30
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alexbobpI've been having problems with the display settings in Ubuntu.  When I enable administrator mode, and then change settings in the "multiple monitors" section, the "apply" button stays grayed out.03:31
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alexbobpDoes anybody else have this, or know how to fix it?03:31
thomas_alexbobp: try running it with sudo from console03:32
Jucato!kdesu03:32
ubotuIn KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo03:32
Jucatothomas_: try kpowersave.03:32
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thomas_Jucato: okay, thanx anyway ;-)03:32
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alexbobpOkay, I'm trying sudo systemsettings03:33
poison--mornin guys03:33
Jucatothomas_: klaptopdaemon03:33
Jucatoalexbobp: kdesu systemsettings03:33
Jucatoalexbobp: or to be more exact, kdesu displayconfig03:33
alexbobphow would sudo muck up config files?03:33
Jucatohi poison--03:33
deadangelhello , i need help plz03:33
poison--JUcato :D03:33
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poison--!ask03:33
ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)03:33
SweetMadnessoki oki03:33
alexbobpAs expected it doesn't prompt me for administrator mode, but the apply button is still disabled.03:34
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alexbobpCan somebody else do that and set dual-screen and see if your apply button is enabled?03:34
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SweetMadnessi've downloaded the KUbuntu 7.04 on my HP Pavilion DV6000 , the Video card which is NVidia GeForce Go 7400 seems to be not recognized03:35
Jucato!dualhead03:35
ubotuInformation about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama03:35
SweetMadnesshow can i make it be installed ?03:35
Jucato!nvidia | SweetMadness03:35
ubotuSweetMadness: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto03:35
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SweetMadnessthank u , i'll try it and come back.03:36
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sakura-ChanSalut^^03:44
stdin!fr03:45
SweetMadnessi've downloaded the KUbuntu 7.04 on my HP Pavilion DV6000 , the Video card which is NVidia GeForce Go 7400 seems to be not recognized knowin i am using the 64bit ver03:45
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stdinsakura-Chan: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.03:45
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sakura-Chanthx03:45
sakura-Chan#kubuntu-FR03:46
sakura-Chan?03:46
LynoureSweetMadness: you'll probably need the closed drivers for it, then03:46
stdinsakura-Chan: /join #kubuntu-fe03:46
stdinsakura-Chan: /join #kubuntu-fr <03:46
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SweetMadnessi am tryin to install the restricted driver extras but it keeps givin me error when it starts the installation03:47
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alexbobpwhat's the error?03:47
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thomas_Jucato: Kpowersave seems to be the best one imo ;-)03:48
SweetMadness " There was an error committing changes , Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages . "03:48
jamison_are there any good python help channels?03:48
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geniijamison_: #python ?03:49
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SweetMadnessalexbobp03:51
GuHHHdoes someone knows a bittorrent client that let me choose files (inside a torrent) that i want to download, instead of all the files in the torrent?03:51
stdinKTorrent03:52
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alexbobpGuHHH: I don't know of a bittorrent client that doesn't let you choose that03:52
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GuHHHgnome bittorrent seems to dont03:52
alexbobpodd03:52
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SweetMadnessi've downloaded the KUbuntu 7.04 on my HP Pavilion DV6000 , the Video card which is NVidia GeForce Go 7400 seems to be not recognized knowin i am using the 64bit ver03:54
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BluesKaj'morning all :)04:01
Jucatomornin'04:01
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BluesKajhey Jucato ..seems quiet04:02
dyscalcolonwich (mysql) databasemanagementsystem you can recommend?04:02
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Jucatovery04:04
BluesKajbrb , gonna reboot the router ...things seem a bit slow04:07
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tarek_how do i execute the .run files?04:09
isiash filetorun.run04:10
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tarek_ah k04:10
tarek_is there another way of installing my nvidia card onto kubuntu?04:11
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insllvnhello world04:11
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insllvnnot sure if this is the right place to ask this but here goes04:12
insllvn i installed kubuntu on top of an existing ubuntu install04:12
insllvnusing apt-get install04:13
insllvni now want to revert to ubuntu04:13
insllvneverything else has been removed and i seem to be running ubuntu04:13
insllvnthe apt command claims i have removed kubuntu-desktop04:14
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insllvnbut when i boot the machine i still get the kubuntu loading screen ie KUBUNTU with a loading bar beneath it04:14
insllvnhow do i fix that?04:14
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Pitabredinsllvn: apt-get install gdm04:16
Pitabreder... actually, you may need to dpkg --reconfigure bootsplash04:16
PitabredI can't remember exactly04:17
stdinsudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so04:18
stdin^ is the command04:18
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stdinafter that "sudo update-initramfs -u"04:19
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insllvnthanks Pitabred04:20
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PitabredI think you meant to thank stdin ;)  He had the actual answer04:20
alexbobpI'd like to make an encrypted filesystem that is stored as one file, and mounted at boot time (after prompting for a password) to a specific directory, and then I'll move all the program settings with sensitive data there and symlink them.  Is there any reason why this is a bad idea, and if not, how would I do it?04:21
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jon__hey, what do i need to install for amarok to play mp3s? i already have ubuntu restricted04:22
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LjL!mp304:23
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats04:23
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jon__that don't help me. sorry04:23
stdinhave you actually looked at the page?04:23
jon__ya04:23
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stdinbecause it tells you what you need to install04:24
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stdin*cough* "To play mp3's with Amarok, install the package libxine1-ffmpeg (which will install libmad0 as well)." *cough*04:24
jon__ops, sorry04:25
stdinreally helps to read those pages ;)04:25
Jucatoalso helps to cough a lot :)04:25
jon__and a bit longer than a glance04:25
jon__lol04:25
JimmyDee_if you dont cough alot, it doesnt work properly04:26
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BluesKajahem ...clears throat04:27
NightBirdif I insert a usb thumb drive, the kernel recognizes it, but it doesn't get auto mounted, how do I get it to mount?04:27
stdinhave a look in media:/04:28
stdinit should be in there04:29
NightBirdnope04:29
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NightBirdit has the 3 partitions(windows, plus two linux partitions), and my cd rom drive04:29
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MetaMorfoziSNightBird > check what syslog says, when you plg in your drive... (sudo tail -f /var/log/syslog then press some enter for a maker for you)04:30
adlisyakir!paste04:30
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)04:30
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MetaMorfoziSFor example if that is a samsung mp3 player, it's only says two lines, and nothing else, thatmeans it's not supported (maybe not supported by default)04:31
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NightBirdNetworkManager: <debug> [1191248517.346462]  nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_930_6533_noserial_if0')04:32
Tex-Twil_AWAYhi04:32
NightBirdNetworkManager: <debug> [1191248517.346462]  nm_hal_device_added(): New device added (hal udi is '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_930_6533_noserial_usbraw')04:32
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MetaMorfoziSdon't paste that to here04:32
MetaMorfoziSpaste to !paste ^^04:32
adlisyakirhye.. please check in here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39271/plain/04:32
BluesKaj!pastebin04:32
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)04:32
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adlisyakirand tell me how to overcamo that problem04:32
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NightBirdMetaMorfoziS: part of the problem is that I need to install some network software, which I've put on my usb drive...04:33
MetaMorfoziSadlisyakir > I don't know what you want, but "Access Point: None" this didn't helps you to connect:)04:33
MetaMorfoziScheck for iwconfig eth1 ap 00:11:22:33:44:55 (iirc)04:34
PhobosHi. How do I make a symbolic link in /home and whenever I click on it it leads me to ftp://www.something.com (in Konqueror)04:34
adlisyakiri want to connect the internet with my built in wireless in my laptop04:35
adlisyakirhow?04:35
MetaMorfoziSPhobos > right click on desktop-> new item -> new url04:35
MetaMorfoziSor something like this04:35
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PhobosMetaMorfoziS: k, thanks mate04:35
MetaMorfoziSNightBird > then i dunno... try read what syslog says, if there is a problem, it must says that out...04:35
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NightBirdthanks anyways04:36
NightBirdI need to get ready for work myself and get going, so I'll try to fix it when I get home tonight04:36
MetaMorfoziSokay04:36
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deviance!mmorpg04:38
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about mmorpg - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:38
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about dontask - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi04:39
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ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)04:39
cheweyhi. I'm just doing some long distant support for someone with a DSL modem. pppoeconf does see the access concentrator and asks for user/pass, but "pon dsl-provider" apparently does not work.04:39
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cheweyWhere do we have to kick?04:39
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MetaMorfoziSchewey > first try killall 9 pppd04:40
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MetaMorfoziSmore than one pppd can cause problems:) Then re pon dsl-provider and check syslog04:40
MetaMorfoziS"does not work" is not an error message:-)04:41
MetaMorfoziSchewey > the same with the dying dhclients04:41
grul!apache04:41
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cheweyI know. It's my sister on the phone at the other end, that's tough for error messages ;-)04:41
MetaMorfoziSkill them, before try to connect04:41
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genii!info ubuntu-lamp04:44
ubotuubuntu-lamp: Packages for a LAMP setup. In component seveas-meta, is optional. Version 7.04-7 (feisty-seveas), package size 2 kB, installed size 32 kB04:44
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ScorpKinghello genii. :)04:46
geniiScorpKing: Hiya04:46
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deviancegenii: I don't suppose you know what to make of this error do you?04:46
deviance   /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Warn: No GLXFBConfig for depth 3204:47
devianceIt happens when I run Compiz04:47
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geniideviance: Seems no framebuffer config for depth 32 but otherwise couldn't make much of it04:48
ScorpKingdoes anyone know where i can post howto's for *ubuntu?04:48
trappistScorpKing: the forums are a popular place for that04:48
deviancegenii: So that wouldn't be anything to do with my window decoration dissapearing then? Damn04:48
ScorpKingoh ok. thanks04:49
geniiScorpKing:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/   ?04:49
ScorpKinglooking...04:49
devianceDont suppose you have any ideas?04:49
geniideviance: compiz and framebuffer together are tricky. You'd need to find someone with a comparable setup as you have (same video card, similar xorg etc)04:50
trappistdeviance: try running kde-window-decorator --replace04:50
devianceI have a 7300gs04:50
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devianceNope nothing trappist04:50
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devianceJust this error:04:51
ScorpKinggenii: that could work as well. ty04:51
devianceX Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 16904:51
deviance  Major opcode:  14704:51
deviance  Minor opcode:  304:51
deviance  Resource id:  0x004:51
devianceFailed to open device04:51
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cheweywhere does the pppd log go?04:53
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ismakunhow do i update java plataform 1.4 to 1.5 urgent plizzz04:54
BluesKajismakun, uninstall 1.4 first then install 1.504:55
ismakunbut how04:55
ismakunwith the jre?04:55
BluesKajwith adept04:55
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anrykohi04:56
julianhola04:56
ismakun:( im kinda newb with linux i want to install jboss but it requieres that plataform04:56
ismakundont know how to get it04:56
stdinismakun: the package you want is "sun-java5-jre" (for version 1.5) or "sun-java6-jre" (for 1.6)04:57
anrykois there any bash command, using which i can start process trat cant be killed by pressing Ctrl-C04:57
ScorpKinganyway, i'll upload the dd to nfs howto later. have to go shopping. :) bbl04:57
MetaMorfoziSanryko > try & after the cmdline04:58
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trappistanryko: I don't think so, but you can start a process that puts you back at the shell, which can safely be killed, by saying "nohup <command> &"04:58
MetaMorfoziSanryko > kate & or an other option is nohup kate &04:58
MetaMorfoziSthe last is still runs after you closes that terminal04:58
anrykothenx alot04:59
stdinboth will run after the console is closed actually04:59
MetaMorfoziSstdin > no.04:59
stdinMetaMorfoziS > yes.04:59
MetaMorfoziStry out. the & one is killed when you closes the session, try out.04:59
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stdinMetaMorfoziS: well, works with xterm05:00
MetaMorfoziSkonsole, kate &, altf4 on konsole, kate closes...05:01
MetaMorfoziSthe same with xterm for me.05:01
ismakunto unistall java 1.4 i have to remove all  1.4 including sdk and jre?05:01
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MetaMorfoziSismakun > yes, but if you don't want you can use "update-alternatives java"05:02
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stdinMetaMorfoziS: try "xterm &" then close konsole05:03
ismakunand how update-alternatives java works?05:03
MetaMorfoziSstdin > lol:))05:03
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MetaMorfoziSYes, so if an app wants, it can runs after the session closed:) it's lol:)05:03
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yeniklasorrI have upgraded to Gutsy Gubbon. I have a problem with sound (alsa installed). What can I do05:04
trappistyeniklasorr: /join #ubuntu+105:04
stdinstart by going to #ubuntu+105:04
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MetaMorfoziSismakun > sorry, i was wong, if you want to use update-alternatives do like this: update-alternatives --config java (it asks you for the default version of java)05:06
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yeniklasorris asoundconf set-default-card command needs restart computer ?05:07
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stamenhi, how to install nvidia drivers in kubuntu 7.1005:08
stamenand to work with glx?05:08
LjL!nvidia05:08
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto05:08
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stamenwhen I have installed them and try to startx it says failed to start glx and nvidia drivers05:09
LjLstamen: how did you install them?05:09
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stamenI have the driver from the web site, and nvidia-glx have installed from adept05:10
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LjLstamen, nvidia-glx *is* the driver.05:10
stamennot from adept, from apt-get05:10
LjLso if you *also* installed it from nvidia.com, it's unsurprising that you'd have problems.05:10
stamenok05:10
stamenbut why it fails to start x05:10
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anrykomm, i have one problem, i have the script which makes chroot and after that gives me tty login script. the problem is that i can just Ctrl-C at login script and get root at chrooted space.I need to make login script unskipable after chroot.... something like in init process at startup.. there u cant just skip login05:11
LjLprobably because of files that conflict between the nvidia.com driver and the driver from APT.05:11
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LjLstamen: type  debsums -s  and pastebin the output05:11
stamenso you say to try the drivers from apt?05:11
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stamenok05:12
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stdinyou may have to install the "debsums" package05:12
LjLstamen: no, i said to type debsums -s.05:13
LjLi *do* also say that you should *only ever* use the drivers from the repos, however.05:13
stamenhttp://pastebin.com/m1476620005:13
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MetaMorfoziSif you have the orig driver, then you can uninstall that, iirc it has an --uninstall option, that removes everything that it installed05:13
stamensory05:13
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MetaMorfoziSorig == that you have downloaded from nvidia.com05:13
stamenmistake05:13
stamenwait05:13
MetaMorfoziShas*05:13
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stamenhttp://pastebin.com/m307dc13005:14
olimpicoI updated k3b and now when I burn a Data DVD I can't open the files from windows or from my player!!!05:14
LjLstamen: sudo apt-get install debsums, first05:14
olimpicoThey did something wrong on the update!!05:14
stamenok05:14
olimpicoSomeone knows about this?05:14
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stamenLjL: wait because the list is long :)05:18
LjLwonderful...05:18
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ashley1hey people05:19
ashley1i need help05:19
ashley1with gcc compiler05:19
LjL!ask05:19
ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)05:19
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ardchoilleLjL: What's the purpose of debsums? Doesn't the pm take care of that when installing?05:19
ashley1when i compiler a .c file, it makes an executable05:19
ashley1when i want it to make a .out05:19
ashley1how do i do it05:19
ashley1?05:20
ashley1anyone?05:20
LjLardchoille: it should, i think. but with drivers installed from nvidia.com, i'd rather make him waste some time^W^W^W^W^W make sure.05:20
ashley1can anyone help me?????05:20
ardchoilleok05:20
ashley1anyone???05:20
LjLaho05:20
stdinhuh? ashley1 what do you mean?05:20
LjL!patience05:20
ardchoille!patience05:20
ubotuThe people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines05:20
LjLashley1: first of all, your question was unintelligible to me.05:20
ashley1When i compile with GCC, it makes an executable05:20
ashley1instead of a .out file05:21
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LjLerr...05:21
ardchoillea.out *is* an executable, isn't it?05:21
stdinwhat do you think a .out file is ?05:21
ashley1it makes a .exe05:21
ashley1instead of .out05:21
LjLashley1: this is not Windows.05:21
ashley1I KNOW05:21
ashley1all i need to know is how to make GCC compiler a .out file instead of a .exe file05:21
stdin.out is *just* an extension, means nothing to linux05:21
LjLashley1: so if you type  gcc filename.c , you end up with "filename.exe"?05:22
ashley1does anyone know how to?05:22
ashley1yes05:22
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ashley1exactly that LjL05:22
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ashley1and im on Ubuntu05:22
LjLashley1: "gcc --version" please05:22
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ashley14.11.205:22
ashley14.1.205:22
ashley1*05:22
LjL!info gcc05:22
ubotugcc: The GNU C compiler. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.1.2-1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 5 kB, installed size 64 kB05:22
trappistashley1: what gcc command are you using?05:22
trappistashley1: gcc filename.c should usually produce a.out05:23
LjLashley1: update-alternatives --list cc05:23
ashley1trappist05:23
ashley1i type "gcc test.c"05:23
ashley1and it produces test.out05:23
ashley1test.exe*05:23
LjL!enter05:24
ubotuPlease try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!05:24
ashley1i need it to compile test.out05:24
ashley1sorry, i need to get used to enter05:24
stamenLjL: this is the link http://pastebin.com/m5188489505:24
LjLashley1: what's the output of  update-alternatives --list cc  ?05:24
stamenLjL: and as I see I have problems with the drivers for nvidia05:24
ashley1no output05:24
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trappistashley1: have you, like, gone out of your way to set up cross-compiling?  and, just to make sure, you *are* on a linux box, right?05:24
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ardchoilleThat should have given you a path05:24
stamenLjL: but how to repair them05:25
ashley1it doesnt matter05:25
ashley1thanks for trying to help05:25
ashley1anyway05:25
stamenLjL: with preinstaling them?05:25
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LjLstamen: do what meta told you first, i.e. --uninstall the driver from nvidia.com. then - hold on, i'll prepare a command line for you.05:25
ardchoilleimpatient05:25
LjLidiot05:25
stamenLjL: ok05:25
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LjLstamen: sudo apt-get --reinstall install libgl1-mesa-glx mesa-common-dev nvidia-glx xserver-xorg-core05:27
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geniiardchoille: I think half todays generation have ADD05:28
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ardchoillegenii: lol05:29
LjLi have SUB, sometimes MUL05:29
stamenLjL: after reseting the X I will tell you what happens05:29
LjLi don't RISC to use MUL, though05:29
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VSpikehmm reminds me of ARM05:31
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LjLsee though ardchoille, if i didn't have the debsums output, i wouldn't have know which packages had got messed up by the nvidia.com drivers05:31
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VSpikeused to love writing ARM assembler05:32
LjLyou're probably crazy, no offense05:32
ardchoilleLjL: Oh, ok.05:32
VSpikeLjL: who me? :)05:32
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LjLVSpike: yes you :P05:36
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VSpikeLjL: haha05:37
VSpikeLjL: what's crazy about that?  It was a nice chip to write for :)05:37
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VSpikeLjL: Should say "is", since although you don't find it in computers any more, it's in 1000's of consumer devices instead05:38
LjLVSpike: i know05:38
LjLi would program it in assembly though :P05:38
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LjLwouldn't, even05:38
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LjLVSpike: and i suspect it's still in Acorn compatibles, anyway05:39
VSpikeLjL: I'm not sure I would either now :)05:39
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X314hmm.. greetings from the other side of the line05:40
VSpikeLjL: true, the Iyonix machines have it in.. I forgot about them05:40
dappermuishmmm...just noticed that my built in bluetooth device is no longer being picked up - any ideas?05:41
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VSpikeLjL: It was quite nice the way the BBC Basic V could be used with the built-in assembler to do macro assembler type stuff05:41
stamenLjL: with preinstalling that which you gave, it gives me an error, and says that can't initialize the glx driver and nvidia driver too05:42
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ashley1A UP PRICKS05:42
stamenLjL: something is wrong with the glx module I think05:42
ashley1YOU FUCKING MONGS05:42
ashley1YOU HAVE NO LIFE05:42
ashley1FUCKING05:42
ashley1DICK HEADS05:42
ashley1HAHAHAHAHAHA05:42
ashley1AHAHAHAHAHAHA05:42
LjLVSpike: i've never used an Acorn machine to be honest, so i don't really know. though it looked at least interesting that BASIC was so "integrated" with the system05:42
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ashley1AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA05:42
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trappistnice.05:42
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LjLstamen: try "sudo depmod -a"05:43
X314LjL :P05:43
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LjLwhat an irritating individual05:43
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stdinindeed05:43
VSpikeLjL: they were nice for their time, but that time was a while back05:43
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trappistthat the guy whose gcc produced .exes?05:43
LjLyeah trappist05:44
LjLof course, that was just an excuse05:44
LjLit doesn't really05:44
trappistyeah05:44
X314the world is built upon irritating individuals.05:44
trappistyou have to try pretty hard to make that happen05:44
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stdinLjL: shouldn't that ban be on *!?=ashley1@* (or another ban on that too)?05:45
VSpikewhy would anyone go so far out of their way just to irritate other people?  Or am I just lacking a whole dimension of entertainment in my life..05:46
LjLVSpike: you type gibberish that ARM processors understand, he types gibberish that irritates IRC operators05:46
stdinsome people are stupid, so lets not give them the satisfaction of talking about them :)05:47
kkathmanVSpike:  when you are 14 years old and havent the slightest idea of what girls are, or unable to communicate, that shennanigan IS your source of entertainment05:47
VSpikeLjL: I see where you're coming from there :)05:47
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VSpikeMine made spinning wire frame cubes though05:48
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Daisuke_Idoi wonder how many people a blanket aol ban would affect05:53
Daisuke_Idobecause that still seems to be the breeding ground for the dumbest of the dumb05:54
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otzkuHow do install the OpenGL Python bindings?05:59
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elitroui need a help with fixing up my JRE06:00
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antibusnabend06:01
redo86hola06:02
antibusist vllt jemand anwesen der mir dabei helfen knnte meinen lcd bildschirm mit meinem notebook zu verwenden06:02
emilsedgh!de | antibus06:02
ubotuantibus: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de06:02
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X314okay, here is a question.. say i deleted some files from a program.. and naturaly they dont install em again.. how do i get it to install em again?06:03
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poison--x314, use adept06:04
elitroualthough sun's JRE 6.0 is installed when i type "java" in the konsole it doesn;t recognize it as a valid command06:04
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X314poison--: how? since it does not "reinstall" the files06:05
evilidlerRemove the program and reinstall06:05
X314doesnt work, tried it06:05
evilidlerYou don't lose personal settings06:05
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elitrouanyone has an idea about my java issue?06:06
X314i dont get a "start" file thing anymore, and the personal settings are gone06:06
X314i have tried uninstalling and reinstalling a few times06:07
poison--<X314, reboot in recovery mode as root and try a purge first than reinstall06:07
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newsense07how can i change my xserver ?06:11
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npurcifulhey whats up everyone06:13
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npurcifulDoes any here have a good software for makeing a report of music collection06:14
dhqy arent there any updates for beryl06:15
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stamenLjL: I have downloaded the latest driver for nvidia from the web site and now all is working :)06:17
elitrouhow can i define a command in bash? i want to make "java" run the specific version06:17
stamenLjL: my version of the driver was old06:17
stamenLjL: which I have downloaded before :)06:17
LjLstamen: good luck then -- each time you'll get a kernel update (which is "often", since you're using Gutsy), the driver will break.06:17
spawn57dhq: beryl is part of compiz fusion now06:17
stamenLjL: but 10x for the time and helping me06:17
LjLelitrou: sudo update-alternatives --config java06:18
dhqspawn57: so what does that mean i have to install compiz fusion06:18
stamenLjL: I know this, but the problem was with mismatching the glx extensions and modules :)06:18
stamenLjL: as you and me saw :)06:18
spawn57dhq: yeah, and I've heard from a colleague that's it's much more stable =] 06:18
stamenLjL: bb06:18
LjLstamen yeah but that can be fixed by using the driver from the repos, too. i'm using it fine06:18
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stamenLjL: yes but with me they are not working06:19
stamenLjL: they work but with problems06:19
dhqspawn57: so what is the exact package name06:19
LjLstamen: there is also an "nvidia-glx-new" package. which is the latest version of the drivers AFAIK.06:19
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elitrouLjL: thanks, it fixed my life:)06:19
stamenLjL: since 7.04 I am using the drivers from the nvidia06:19
LjL!info nvidia-glx-new gutsy | stamen06:19
ubotustamen: nvidia-glx-new: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'new' driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 100.14.19+2.6.22.4-12.4 (gutsy), package size 4896 kB, installed size 14848 kB06:19
LjLstamen: and that includes, of course, both the X module and the kernel module06:20
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stamenLjL: next time I will try with "new"06:20
spawn57dhq: I'm sorry I don't have the details, I haven't looked into myself06:20
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stamenLjL: :)06:20
dhqspawn57: what do you use06:20
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dhqspawn57: so no more beryl06:20
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spawn57i don't use anything right now, just the defaults =|06:22
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spawn57the folks that used to beryl now focus on plugins for compiz-fusion =] 06:22
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poison--!compiz06:23
ubotuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects06:23
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spawn57ahh, thanks for the heads up poison--06:25
stamenLjL: I found somthing, and it is that diret rendering is not active :(06:26
stamenwhen I wrote glxinfo06:26
stamenbut the driver is working ?06:26
ardchoilleTime for sleep.. back later06:26
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runleveltenubotu: phpldapadmin06:27
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about phpldapadmin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:27
stamen!nvidia06:27
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto06:27
runlevelten!info phpldapadmin06:27
ubotuphpldapadmin: web based interface for administering LDAP servers. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.9.8.3-7 (feisty), package size 745 kB, installed size 3936 kB06:27
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devianceIS there any advantage of 64bit over 32bit?06:39
devianceI am running 32 but my proc would support 64, should I upgrade for Gutsy?06:39
evilidlerMemory access without tricks06:39
stdindeviance: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions#head-ff0a19a9ff23537e36b3cf9d40b2d8747bd45cd4 explains some of it06:39
devianceIm on intel06:41
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devianceCore 2 Duo e642006:41
stdindoesn't matter, amd64 works with intel too06:41
SETKEH-NRNSany one know where i can find the nvidia drivers for a broadcom wireless network interface card in the  .inf format for linux06:42
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stdinnvidia drivers for bradcom?06:42
stdinbroadcom rather06:42
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SETKEH-NRNSyeah i have nvidia drivers on my wireness and wired nerwork interfaves06:43
SETKEH-NRNSintefaces *06:43
stdinhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/Ndiswrapper (ndiswrapper used .inf's, also has link to the drivers)06:44
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SETKEH-NRNSstdin i check it out mate and get back to you06:45
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GuHHHwhats a good soundcard (with full suport) for linux?06:47
devianceWee, Compiz Fusion is working :D06:47
SETKEH-NRNSstdin ubuntu is dapper ???06:47
ubuntu_well the only soudcards are from Creative and they don't do Linux drivers anymore06:48
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stdinSETKEH-NRNS: use "lsb_release -c" to find out what you have06:48
evilidlerLots of working onboard sound that doesn't suck. But in this computer I have an Audigy 2.06:48
evilidlerAlso, Creative made 64-bit drivers for X-Fi. No idea if they intend to release 32-bit drivers.06:49
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SETKEH-NRNSstdin im not running linux at the moment because i have pc linuxos installed and cant get the net working on it and there support chanell is useless where can i get dapper ubuntu it have the drivers already in it for my nic06:50
stdinSETKEH-NRNS: if dapper has it, then so will feisty (dapper is old). get the feisty CD ISO here http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/feisty/06:51
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DrZolberghello all! can any one tell me what's up with kubuntu's shipIt service?)06:52
SETKEH-NRNSstdin thanks heaps mate06:52
stdinnp :)06:52
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stdinDrZolberg: don't know, what's up with it?06:52
emilsedghwill 7.10 be shipped?06:52
stdinemilsedgh: yep06:52
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emilsedghstdin: nice06:53
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DrZolbergstdin,well the site tells that it's stopped due to preparations for 7.04 version release06:53
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DrZolbergi just can't figure that out - if the 7.10 has already been released - why they need to prepare for 7.04 release?)))06:54
stdinDrZolberg: probably a mistake, I'll inform the relevant people :)06:54
rathelHey I need some help bad, I didn't change anything from yesterday but my other computer can seem to do anything on the network, can't ping anything, and I can't ping it, however I can ping it while it's in it shutdown process, that's the only time it pings, What to do?06:55
DrZolberghuh)06:55
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evilidlerrathel: Seems like you have a firewall script you shouldn't. Take a peek in /etc/init.d/ for anything related to firewalls or iptables06:56
DrZolbergstdin,well thanks)06:56
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stdinDrZolberg: thanks for noticing :)06:56
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ubuntu__06:57
ubuntu__    .06:57
ubuntu__?06:57
LjL!ru | ubuntu__06:57
ubotuubuntu__:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke06:57
rathelevilidler: ah... Since you said, I think I know what's cauing it brb lemme remove it and try again...06:57
DrZolbergubuntu__ , yeah thats what I thought06:57
DrZolberg  ?06:57
DrZolbergubotu,)06:58
LjLcould we stick to english?06:59
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ubuntu_DrZolberg: 7.10 has not been released07:00
DrZolberghm07:00
DrZolbergread hews at kubuntu.com07:00
DrZolbergoh well07:01
DrZolbergmy mistake07:01
DrZolbergi missed the BETA word)07:01
DrZolbergis anyone here from khanty-mansiysk?07:01
evilidlerThere's some quirky CSS on the beta read more page: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Beta/Kubuntu07:02
DrZolbergubuntu_,anyway why did you stop kubuntu shipit)07:02
evilidlerIn Opera, the table on the right moves up while loading, stopping at such a position that only points 7 and down are visible07:02
ubuntu_DrZolberg: Me?07:03
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DrZolbergubuntu_ well not you)07:03
stdinevilidler: seems to be an opera quirk, looks fine in konqueror and firefox07:04
evilidlerstdin: I'm sure it does, but a lot of faulty code looks OK in some browser or other ;)07:05
stdinevilidler: no, the code is 100% fine, Konqueror is the most standards compliant browser out there, so compliant in fact that any bad code breaks it :p07:06
evilidlerstdin: I'll send a bug report to Opera, then :)07:06
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BluesKajkonq still seems a bit slow ,even tho I've got ipv6 turned off and blacklisted07:07
evilidlerstdin: It's not entirely compliant, though. IDs are re-used, but should be unique.07:08
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evilidlerAs a webdeveloper, I have to look at them all07:09
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emilsedghevilidler: im a web developer too, when i create something with watching konqueror, im almost sure that there is no problem with Fx and Opera, but im sure, always, __ALWAYS__ that IE cannot render my page...07:10
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evilidleremilsedgh: That doesn't go well with my employer ;)07:10
emilsedgh;)07:11
evilidlerBetter to introduce minor annoyances than completely breaking pages ;)07:11
evilidlerThen prepare a "fix" which creates a new quirk..07:11
SETKEH-NRNSim a webdeveloper as well and i dont have problems with cross browser i have never had anything that hasent not worked in another browser07:11
evilidlerMargins, padding, boxmodels. The horror!07:12
SETKEH-NRNSlol07:12
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emilsedghSETKEH-NRNS: try a transparent png on your page, try to use nice css things, js ones, padding's and little things that make you crazy!07:12
newsense07how can i find out what xserver im running ?07:12
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stdinnewsense07: try KMenu > System > KInfoCenter > X-Server07:14
SETKEH-NRNSwhats the command to extract a .tar.gz file ?????07:14
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stdintar xzf file.tar.gz07:15
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SETKEH-NRNSstdin thanks mat e07:15
Dr_willis!info unp07:15
ubotuunp: unpack (almost) everything with one command. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.10 (feisty), package size 9 kB, installed size 72 kB07:15
Dr_willisI cheat and use unp. :)07:15
ubuntu_Ha ha :-)07:15
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evilidlerAre there other archive formats than tar.gz and tar.bz2? Of course not. They are hallucinations. Therefore you only need to learn Tar.07:16
Dr_williswine winrar.exe07:16
SETKEH-NRNS[setkeh@localhost ~] $ sudo tar xzf faerion-1.17.7.1-src.tar.bz207:16
SETKEH-NRNSgzip: stdin: not in gzip format07:16
SETKEH-NRNStar: Child returned status 107:16
SETKEH-NRNStar: Error exit delayed from previous errors07:16
SETKEH-NRNS[setkeh@localhost ~] $07:16
LjLwhy on earth "sudo"?07:17
evilidlerSETKEH-NRNS: That's not a tar.gz :)07:17
stdinthen it's not a gzip file07:17
Dr_willisand that error message is right.. :)07:17
evilidlertar jxf file.tar.bz207:17
LjLSETKEH-NRNS: don't use the "z", and don't use sudo07:17
stdintry just "tar xf file.tar.whatever.the.extension.is"07:17
evilidlerDo everything as yourself, except maybe installation..even then, try to prefer your homedir as basepath07:18
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SETKEH-NRNSstdin thanks mate07:18
SETKEH-NRNSevilidler lol good point thanks mate07:18
Xbehavewhat are the downsides to using lvm, slight decrease in performance? chance of the whole volume going on a crash?07:18
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SETKEH-NRNSevilidler07:19
SETKEH-NRNS[setkeh@localhost ~] $ tar jxf xzf faerion-1.17.7.1-src.tar.bz207:20
SETKEH-NRNStar: xzf: Cannot open: No such file or directory07:20
SETKEH-NRNStar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now07:20
SETKEH-NRNStar: Child returned status 207:20
SETKEH-NRNStar: faerion-1.17.7.1-src.tar.bz2: Not found in archive07:20
SETKEH-NRNStar: Error exit delayed from previous errors07:20
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stdinman07:20
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stdin!paste07:20
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)07:20
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SETKEH-NRNSstdin sorry i forgot07:20
evilidlerSETKEH-NRNS: Dude, why would you need xzf when you have jxf?07:20
newsense07how can i check whatxserver im running currently ?07:20
unicodewhere I can find linuxdc++ deb ??07:20
stdinnewsense07: try KMenu > System > KInfoCenter > X-Server   (repeating)07:20
stdin!info linuxdcpp07:21
ubotuPackage linuxdcpp does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas07:21
stdinhmm07:21
unicodethat bad :)07:21
newsense07stdin: sorry connection dropped, thanks very much07:21
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unicodewaht dc++ client exist in deb ??07:22
unicodewhat dc++ client exist in deb ??07:22
ubuntu_!find direct connect07:22
evilidler17 days till projected 7.10 release? Should we believe that? :)07:22
ubotuFound: libcairo-directfb2, libcairo-directfb2-dev, libdirectfb-0.9-25, libdirectfb-dev, libdirectfb-extra (and 13 others)07:22
VMuserhi there...just would like to know if anyone here use TAblet Pc? My question is if the resolution is experienced as the same as in normal laptops?07:22
SETKEH-NRNSevilidler http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39277/07:22
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evilidlerSETKEH-NRNS: You have a broken file there. Redownload.07:23
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stdinunicode: you *could* (if you're brave) use the debian package http://packages.debian.org/sid/linuxdcpp0.69107:23
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unicodethanks ;)07:24
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stdinSETKEH-NRNS: umm, take off the ':' at the end of the file name07:24
kamil_hi07:24
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evilidlerOh, yeah..there's a colon there. Ignore me :P07:26
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evilidlerNow on #kubuntu: Live spellchecking!07:27
evilidlerTo avoid mistyping, use TAB-completion.07:27
stdin!tab07:27
ubotuYou can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.07:27
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ScorpKingevilidler: that only works for nics07:29
evilidlerScorpKing: And tar-files in a modern shell07:30
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evilidler"modern" being defined as anytime within the past 20 years07:30
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trappistpractically everything in a modern bash shell with bash-completion07:30
ScorpKingthat i know07:30
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trappistssh <tab> will look at ~/.ssh/known_hosts and whatnot to complete07:31
ScorpKingi don't get - <evilidler> Now on #kubuntu: Live spellchecking!07:31
ubuntu_Just wish I could add .au to mplayers completion list07:31
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ScorpKingthat would have been usefull.07:32
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jussi01!offtopic07:32
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!07:32
trappistubuntu_: look in /etc/bash_completion - it's just a bash script, you can edit it07:32
ubuntu_Did Itdoesn't seem to care07:32
unicode!offtopic07:32
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!07:32
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ubuntu_ i use alt+\ instead07:33
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jussi01!botabuse > unicode07:33
trappistubuntu_: you have to re-source it (. /etc/bash_completion07:33
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ubuntu_Yeah I know07:33
ScorpKingso i have a problem with konversation. it doesn't complete the text if i press <tab> like in bash. eg, /etc/fs<tab>. :P07:34
jussi01ScorpKing: in konversation it only works witjh nicks07:35
ScorpKing:D07:35
jussi01:P07:35
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Xbehavecan lvm resise crypto partitions?07:40
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evilidlerGently touched, huh?07:41
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stdinXbehave: try asking in ##linux07:42
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newsense07how do i set my system to use the xgl xserver ?07:43
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Sin_Citadelhey, can anyone tell me how to set up beryl on kubuntu , i set it up perfectly on ubuntu, but cant get it to work on kubuntu07:44
jussi01!beryl | Sin_Citadel07:44
ubotuSin_Citadel: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects07:44
jussi01Sin_Citadel: so head over to #ubuntu-effects07:44
jussi01:)07:44
stdinnewsense07: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl07:44
Sin_Citadeli have an ati card07:44
Sin_Citadelan x160007:44
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Sin_Citadeltried it07:45
Sin_Citadeli installed xgl server07:45
Sin_Citadellogged in using the xgl session07:45
newsense07how do i get my system to use xgl server, i installed it ?07:45
Sin_Citadelbut everything was very slow07:45
Sin_Citadeltoo slow07:45
stdinnewsense07: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl  (repeated again)07:46
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ubuntu_!ati | Sin_Citadel07:46
ubotuSin_Citadel: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto07:46
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newsense07cool07:46
Sin_Citadelyes well, i also have installed the open source ati drivers from the ubuntu repository07:47
Sin_Citadelthats why xgl is working, albeit slow07:47
stdinyou mean closed source?07:48
Sin_Citadeli mean07:48
Sin_Citadelthe ones that are in the ubuntu repository, i dunno if they are open/closed source07:48
stdinyep, closed source07:48
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Sin_Citadelso can anyone tell me why xgl is sooo slow, it worked find on ubuntu07:49
stdinshould work the same on both07:49
evilidlerDid you REINSTALL to get Kubuntu=07:49
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evilidler?07:49
Sin_Citadelyeah07:50
Sin_Citadeldidnt like gnome very much07:50
evilidlerAll you had to do was click your heels together: apt-get install kubuntu-desktop07:50
Sin_Citadeland yes , i formatted my entire / partition too.07:50
Sin_Citadelwell, my network was a bit slow then07:50
Sin_Citadeland i had a disk usage concern07:50
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devianceHow can I find out my cache on my hard drive>?08:20
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trappistdeviance: if they're ide, cat /proc/ide/<devicename>/cache08:22
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LogicalDashWhen I click on the column titles in Adept, it doesn't sort like it seems it should. Is this a known problem?08:26
nicetryanyone know about "wine file" ?08:26
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deviancenicetry: What about it, its installed with wine08:27
janrofhola que tal08:27
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janrofalguien que hable espaol?08:27
BluesKaj!wine | nicetry08:28
tsdgeos!es08:28
Sin_Citadelcan i run two apt's at the same time08:28
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janrofalguien que hable espaol?08:28
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ubotunicetry: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.08:28
ubotuSi busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.08:28
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janrofmuchas gracias. Tanks08:29
janrofubota, tu hablas espaol?08:29
stdinSin_Citadel: no08:29
BluesKajhable espanol en kubuntu-es et ubuntu-es08:29
tsdgeosjanrof: ubotu es un bot, no habla castellano08:29
BluesKajerr #kubuntu-es , #ubuntu-es08:29
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BluesKajuboyu is kinda slow today08:30
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BluesKajubotu08:30
janroftsdgeos estas ahi?08:31
DudeMonI'm perplexed.  I've installed on other flavors this 'dns2go' script.  When I install it in Kubuntu, i go to launch the program and it says "/usr/local/bin/dns2go: No such file or directory"08:32
Doctor_Nickrobot!08:32
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DudeMonbut when i list it, it is there and it is executable and 25K   ???08:32
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DudeMonI can do man dns2go and man pages come up, but cant get script to launch?08:34
trappistDudeMon: if you installed it from the repository, it's not in /usr/local/bin - try /usr/bin08:35
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Sin_CitadelDudeMon: cp it to home dir, then try08:35
runlevelten.quit08:35
DudeMontrappist: it wasnt from a repo.  it is physically there in /usr/local/bin08:35
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DudeMonsin_citadel: copy the script to my home dir? from /usr/local/bin ?08:36
trappistis dns2go a script, or a compiled executable?08:36
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Sin_CitadelDudeMon: cant hurt to try08:36
DudeMontrappist:  I'd have to go with compiled executable08:37
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DudeMonit is a software that keeps mapping one's IP (dynamic) to a name on the net08:38
trappistDudeMon: where did you get it?  I ask because the only time I've seen that error on a file that's physically there is if it's compiled for a different architecture.  for example, it's built for 64bit and you're on a 32bit platform.  you can tell by saying "file /usr/local/bin/dns2go"08:38
Sin_Citadelis /usr/local/bin in ur environment variable08:38
DudeMontrappist: I am on 64bit AMD, and had it running on debian just a few days ago till i jump'd ship to Kubuntu =D08:39
DudeMonit can only be run as root08:39
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trappistDudeMon: did you install the 64bit version of ubuntu (or debian)?  try file against dns2go and /bin/ls and compare the beginning of the output08:40
trappistDudeMon: also... did you build it from source or download it from somewhere?08:40
DudeMontrappist:  that 'file" command yeilds-->  /usr/local/bin/dns2go: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped08:41
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DudeMoni downloaded it from the vendor08:41
trappistdeviance|away: and what does it say against /bin/ls08:41
deviance|awayhuh?08:42
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DudeMonfor 'ls' it says "ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, etc...08:42
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trappistDudeMon: there ya go.  you're on a 64bit platform and it's a 32bit executable.08:43
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DudeMoneeek.  cant run it in 64 bit?  i had it running under 64bit debian i thought   :-/08:43
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trappistDudeMon: I just checked, and there's a version of dns2go that's available as a perl script.  you can try that, or go with a 32bit ubuntu, or set up a 32bit chroot (I go the chroot route, but it's a bit of a headache)08:44
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trappistor see if you can get the source and build it yourself08:45
trappistOR use a different client.  there are open source clients for the dns2go service.08:45
DudeMontrappist:  thanks!  =D   much appreciated08:45
nemisisdoes anyone know how to stop kdesktop from starting (when i log in)?08:45
DudeMonhmmm ilike the idea of an open source client!  can you recommend anyone?08:45
trappistnot off the top of my head, lemme look...08:46
DudeMonhow did it work on 64 bit debian?08:46
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cj_hi08:47
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trappisthow sure are you your debian was 64bit?08:48
cj_where can i download the most recent gutsy release?08:48
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DudeMontrappist:  perhaps not as sure as i was :(08:48
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DudeMontrappist:  u know what those progrmas would be called?  ones that update a dynamic IP to a domain name?08:49
DudeMoni'm glad to hunt for them =D  I just dont know the category they would fall under08:50
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trappistDudeMon: after a quick search, looks like your best bet is deerfield's perl script08:50
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Parkerw207hey can some one help me , i am using the kubuntu live cd LTS version , my wifi card is loaded properly and i can search for wireless networks and see my routers essid but i cannot connect to it , not even unsecured ones :S08:51
DudeMontrappist:  thanks so much.  what threw me for a loop was that it worked before.  i'm sure i overlooked something or goofed up08:51
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olimpicoPlease HELP!!08:52
Parkerw207anyone ? seem like its such a silly mistake08:52
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Parkerw207i remember installing it before and someone said its something silly like the wep code should be types like ****-**-** or somthing like that08:52
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feierfoxhey ho! i know, i'm not in #vlc08:53
MinatakuDudeMon - Dude Monitor - For debugging and administring dudes (Support only for Dude/i386)08:53
feierfoxbut how to use subtitles in VLC?08:53
feierfox:/08:53
MinatakuSorry. Just being silly.08:53
DudeMon:p08:53
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trappistDudeMon: possibly it can be made to work as-is by installing packages like lib32stdc++608:54
olimpicoI have problems writing Data DVDs, it worked perfectly well for the last years, but since the last k3b update, when I burn data DVDs I can't open them under windows, only under Linux. I did change the setup File system to Linux + Windows and also tried DOS compatibility. But nothing works. Never the less I can see the data under Linux.08:54
trappistDudeMon: and ia32-libs08:54
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Parkerw207anyone?08:54
carlos_i wanna configurate another monitor in kubuntu08:54
carlos_what can i do?08:54
Parkerw207please :(08:54
trappistParkerw207: what happens when you try08:55
Parkerw207well i can see all the networks in range08:55
trappistusing what?08:55
Parkerw207and when i click on even unsecured networks i cant even connect to them08:56
Parkerw207it says connection failed08:56
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trappistusing what?08:56
trappistkwifimanager?08:56
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Parkerw207ermm i dont know actually08:56
trappistif you can figure that out, this might get easier :)08:57
Parkerw207it was what came with LTS08:57
Parkerw207there was only one program for scaning for wifi networks08:57
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Parkerw207sorry lol08:58
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DudeMontrappist:   nice!!!  =D   installing those packages let the program run!  fantastic08:59
trappistDudeMon: ossum08:59
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DudeMonwhat do those do?  besides apparently let 32bit aps run in 64bit environment?09:00
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trappistDudeMon: that's pretty much it.  the file links against 32bit libraries, which you don't have until you install those.09:00
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trappistDudeMon: those don't work for everything, so if this is a desktop box you might consider going 32bit, else your mplayer will be a little crippled, you won't have flash in your browser, etc.09:01
trappistif it's a server, I'd leave it like it is09:01
DudeMontrappist:  how does it cripple Mplayer?09:04
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trappistDudeMon: you can't use the w32codecs package, which is what allows you to play most of the content you'll find on the intarweb09:04
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trappistvideo content, that is09:05
DudeMoncant use w32 codecs in 64bit OS?09:05
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trappistDudeMon: you can if you set up a 32bit chroot, but as I said that's a bit of a pain to set up and maintain09:05
DudeMonoh my09:06
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trappistI do it, but next time I do a fresh install it'll be all 32bit.  just not worth it on a desktop box.09:06
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trappistDudeMon: I blogged about this once: http://blog.linuxkungfu.org/blog/index.php?/archives/21-64bit-Nirvana.html09:07
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DudeMonoh no. thats why WINE cant be installed?09:08
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macrozzyhello who is the german irc09:09
trappistDudeMon: yep.09:10
trappist!de09:11
ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de09:11
trappistmacrozzy: ^09:11
DudeMontrappist:  thanks so much for the help.  Imma have to read that blog indetail.  didnt know i was losing all that in 64bit :(09:11
trappistDudeMon: if this is your desktop box, my hearty recommendation is to start from scratch with 32bit ubuntu09:12
trappistDudeMon: unless you want to pursue the 64bit route for educational purposes - you will learn a lot making everything work09:12
DudeMonoh man.   It is painful to think that, since i just bought this new 64bit box :(09:12
trappistDudeMon: you can install 32bit OSs on 64bit boxes09:12
trappistDudeMon: most of them anyway09:13
devianceIf I am adding a non-kde application to the pannel, do I need a Executable? Or could I leave that empty and just have command line arguments such as compiz --replace & emerald --replace09:13
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trappistI think opterons are 64bit-only, but for the most part they're x86_6409:13
DudeMonwell, i'm never opposed to learning stuff, but the reason I got away from compiling software was to spend less time configuring everything and more time using the apps (GIS apps specifically)09:13
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trappistdeviance: make a .desktop file09:13
devianceHow would I do that?09:13
trappistDudeMon: then go 32bit :)  should work on your current hardware09:13
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trappistdeviance: 'locate .desktop', pick a file, and use it as an example09:14
devianceOkay09:14
DudeMontrappist: as time progresses, these issues could work themselves out? <crosses fingers)09:14
feierfoxhmmm09:14
macrozzyoh danke war eingelesen09:14
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feierfoxhow to use subtitles in VLC?09:14
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trappistDudeMon: yeah theoretically a distro could be made to run 64bit and 32bit apps flawlessly, but so far that's been an elusive goal and they've had quite a few years to figure it out09:15
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apollo2011I just got back from school and came to my computer, which has been on since yesterday, and discovered that there were several indications that my /home partition was full. Sure enough, it is absolutely full. I cleaned up that partition a couple of days ago, removing several GB of data, and nothing I did since then could have used up that space (it hasn't been close to full anyway). Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can maybe see what files h09:15
apollo2011ave been created/modified in the last few hours/days or what the largest files are on the drive?09:15
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trappistapollo2011: `find /home -size +1G` will find any files > 1 GB09:16
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|Sin-Eater|use ls09:16
|Sin-Eater|and du09:17
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stdinapollo2011: "du | sort -nr | head" tends to find the top ten hogs09:17
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trappistlearn something every day.  didn't know you could use du without any args.09:17
DudeMonand a Nth suggestion....   du -h | grep [0-9] G09:18
trappistDudeMon: that won't find a 10G file :)09:18
trappistmaybe egrep '^\d+G'09:18
davubuntuHey there. I was wondering if anyone knows how to get kwifimanager to automatically connect to the net on startup. I've got in launching on startup, but it won't automatically connect. I have to click on scan for networks and then choose one and then enter my root password. The man page shows no indication of options I can use and googling turned up nothing relevant/helpful.09:19
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trappistdavubuntu: I added it to my /etc/network/interfaces, which I think kwifimanager knows how to do for you09:21
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davubuntutrappist: sorry can you explain that a little further. What exactly did you add? And what do you mean by kwifimanager knows how to do that?09:22
apollo2011thanks guys09:23
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apollo2011stdin: I ran that command in both /home and ~/ and all I got are a bunch of Permission Denied errors for various folders09:23
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davubuntutrappist: I'm looking at the file now but it doesn't make much sense to me.09:23
stdinnot good09:23
trappistdavubuntu: here's my interfaces file with the wep key obscured: http://linuxkungfu.org/tmp/interfaces09:23
trappistdavubuntu: ath0 is my wireless device.  yours may be different.09:24
trappistso basically pay attention to the last stanza09:24
davubuntuOkay that looks very different from mine.09:24
stdinapollo2011: you wouldn't have a habit of running GUI apps with sudo would you?09:24
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davubuntutrappist: Okay that looks very different from mine.09:24
apollo2011stdin: no09:24
trappistapollo2011: there shouldn't be anything in your home directory that you can't read09:25
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stdinapollo2011: well you shouldn't have permission errors in your own $HOME09:25
DudeMon:O09:25
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Parkerw207ok i now know what program i was using to connect to my router , it was wireless manager ?09:26
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apollo2011duckdown__: `./.local/share/mime': Permission denied du: `./.mozilla/default': Permission denied bash: hea: command not found du: `./.googleearth': Permission denied du: `./.subversion/auth': Permission denied09:26
Parkerw207i can see essid's but i cant connect to even unsecure routers09:26
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apollo2011Google Earth is the only one of those I can explain, since that I do run as root09:26
trappistParkerw207: see if you have better luck with kwifimanager09:26
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Parkerw207this is a live cd09:27
devianceWhats a good app for screen recordings that wont slow my PC down that much? I need a lite one becasue I want to video some compiz effects for a friend09:27
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Parkerw207i dont want to install it and find i cant even connect to the net09:27
devianceParkerw207: Can you connect to the routers config page?09:27
davubuntutrappist: mine doesn't have addresses or netmasks at all... are they needed? Can you tell me how to work out which of these: eth0, eth1, eth2, ath0, and wlan0 is my wireless device?09:27
Parkerw207nope09:27
trappistdeviance: there's a compiz plugin, I believe, that does just that for you, but iirc you have to find it and build it from source because it's not an 'approved' plugin (disclaimer: I might be remembering this from my beryl days)09:28
Parkerw207i can see all the wirelsss newtowrk available09:28
Parkerw207but when i click on them it says connection failed *09:28
feierfoxhow to use subtitles in VLC?09:28
deviancetrappist: I think you might be right, but I cannt build applications09:28
devianceMy system doesnt let me xD09:28
trappistdavubuntu: the devices with addresses and netmasks are devices I'm setting up manually.  you only need to care about the stuff in that last paragraph, which is my wireless device.09:28
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Parkerw207it seems crazy , surely if i it can see the actuall network that it should be able to connect ?09:29
devianceMine did that for ages09:30
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devianceThe network that comes with kubutnu diddnt work, so I had to put the settings in manualy, but sometimes it accepted them, sometimes it diddnt09:30
devianceOnce it worked, It hasnt bothered me since09:31
Parkerw207hmmm09:31
davubuntutrappist: okay well I don't have wep because I configured my router to only accept my two laptops by their ...something or other numbers (can't remember the term but it works). Can you tell me how to find out the essid I doubt mine will be NETGEAR. Is it just the network name I chose - in my case Dave's Network?09:31
Parkerw207is there soemthing special you have to do ?09:31
newsense07!aiglx09:31
ubotuAIGLX is a project that aims to enable GL-accelerated effects on a standard desktop. Supported cards: Nvidia: GeForce3 or newer; ATI: Radeon 7000 through X800; Intel: i810 or newer. Howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLX. For older Nvidia or newer ATI cards see !xgl09:31
feierfox!how_to_use_subtitles_in_VLC09:32
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feierfox:/09:32
stamenhi09:32
Parkerw207anyone?09:32
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stamenwhy after upgrading to gutsy I can't watch movies09:32
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stamenthe picture is scrambled, but voice and titles are working09:32
stamenhow to fix this09:32
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stamenanybody know?09:32
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Unicodehi, who can help with icq09:33
Unicode??09:33
trappiststamen: um, what kind of movies, in what player?09:33
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UnicodeWhat client I can use in Kubuntu ??09:33
stamenI am openig them with kaffeine09:33
stamenadnt the files are .avi09:33
stamenxvid09:34
trappistUnicode: I think icq uses oscar, which is the same as aol, so you just be able to use just about anything, including kopete or gaim09:34
trappiststamen: maybe you need the w32codecs package09:34
stamenin 7.04 all was ok, but know which codecs uses 7.1009:34
stamenI have installed one09:34
stamenwich I had before09:34
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stamenbut the same again09:34
stamenall is like scrambled09:34
=== Unicode trappist but I dont like gaim so ..??
davubuntutrappist: if you don't know, please let me know and I will try googling it :)09:35
stamen!xvid09:35
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats09:35
trappistUnicode: so... what do you like?09:35
trappistdavubuntu: sorry, did you ask a question?09:35
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davubuntutrappist: Here it is again: okay well I don't have wep because I configured my router to only accept my two laptops by their ...something or other numbers (can't remember the term but it works). Can you tell me how to find out the essid I doubt mine will be NETGEAR. Is it just the network name I chose - in my case Dave's Network?09:35
trappistdavubuntu: (if so, the preferred order is google, then ask on irc :))09:35
stamennothing is written about new 7.1009:35
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trappistdavubuntu: then it's probably "Dave's Network" but that apostrophe may give you some trouble09:36
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trappistdavubuntu: consider renaming to "dave" or something09:36
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trappiststamen: oh wait, gutsy - please /join #ubuntu+1 for help with gutsy09:36
davubuntutrappist: re: google... I know. I just thought while you were helping me it might have been easy enough for you to tell me if you knew. I guess you did. Thanks09:37
stamenok09:37
xenolplz i changed theme to i created and now my icons in konqueror and other apps r gone09:38
xenolcan someone help me with that>09:38
xenol?09:38
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psyhhix_when the new ver of kubuntu will released?09:40
trappistxenol: most themes won't have icons for all your apps09:42
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yurimxpxmanwhat's the command for google desktop? I can't find it09:42
xenoltrappist: can  u tell me how can i restore the original theme back? is there any step to undo changes i did?09:43
trappistxenol: there's no "undo" for it, but you should be able to select the same theme that was active before... I don't know what the default is, though09:43
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xenoltrappist: i am asking cause buttons as back, forward, home refresh r not visible on my konqueror09:44
xenoland i hate to reinstall kubuntu all over again09:44
trappistxenol: ouch.  you shouldn't have to reinstall, though, just select another theme.  most of them should have at least those icons.09:45
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xenoltrappist: i want original one :-/09:45
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Daisuke-Laptopso set it to use the original one already09:46
trappistxenol: I don't know which one that is.  mine is working pretty good, let me see what I have selected...09:46
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xenolDaisuke-Laptop: the original one is not saved09:46
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trappistxenol: heh, my kde system settings don't even tell me which one is selected, but try crystal svg09:47
summatusmentisdoes kubuntu have aiglx/xgl enabled by default?09:48
feierfoxno09:48
trappistsummatusmentis: feisty doesn't.  apparently gutsy will.09:48
xenoltrappist: it is installed or i have to dl it?09:48
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trappistxenol: not sure - if it's not listed, sudo apt-get install kde-icons-crystalclear09:49
summatusmentisgutsy is the new one that's not released yet, correct?09:49
trappistsummatusmentis: yes09:49
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ScorpKingxenol: no need to reinstall if you can't fix it. just backup the stuff in /home/you, delete your user and create it again.09:49
trappistor just mv ~/.kde ~/.kdeold09:50
trappistand log out and back in09:50
ScorpKingtrue...09:50
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geniisummatusmentis: Oct 17 or 18 is expected release date09:51
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summatusmentisgenii: ok, good to know. Maybe I'll wait a little while. I'm looking for an easy install inside of vmware hosted under OS X09:51
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trappistsummatusmentis: I don't know how compiz will perform in vmware09:52
geniisummatusmentis: I'd stick with 7.04 for a while09:52
summatusmentisgenii: how come?09:52
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trappistI also didn't know vmware could run under osx09:53
summatusmentisvmware fusion09:53
geniisummatusmentis: Because there are always fixes or issues for the first few months of a release whereas 7.04 has already been thru it's growing pains09:53
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trappistsummatusmentis: I've got gutsy running on a box or two right now, and it seems reasonably stable.  don't install it if you will cry when it breaks though.09:53
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geniitrappist: Exactly09:54
trappistsummatusmentis: until it's released, that is09:54
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trappistdifferent people have different stability thresholds.  if I can expect it to boot and start X most of the time, it's stable enough for me.09:54
summatusmentistrappist: I'm just looking for an easy setup to install OpenEmbedded onto. I don't need anything specific, I use OS X for most of my stuff09:54
summatusmentisI used to run debian testing, on my old computer09:55
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trappistsummatusmentis: if you don't need anything specific, I'd say use fiesty.  if you really want compiz and an easy setup, and if debian testing is stable enough for you, try gutsy.09:55
alucardromeroI like Gutsy so far.09:56
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alucardromeroI just installed it like... last night.09:56
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alucardromeroBut I've been using it since I've been logged into the chat room.09:56
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alucardromeroOne thing I noticed it lacks right away is the libc headers.09:56
alucardromeroI found out by installing the nVIDIA drivers.09:57
trappistalucardromero: if you are going to be building stuff, apt-get install build-essential.  that will install what you need.  I don't think any previous release has installed that stuff out of the box.09:58
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alucardromeroWell, I won't be building anything but just the obligatory "./configure, make, make install" and the such.09:59
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trappistalucardromero: right, build-essential will give you what you need for most of that.  you won't be able to do it out of the box.10:00
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alucardromeroOh okay, I get you know.10:00
alucardromeronow*10:00
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xenolScorpKing: i am now on live cd can u tell me plz how to add new user when i logged out without creating new one? :S10:01
hitmanWillyi swear, build-essential should be included by default, since a large amt of linux stuff is still distributed as source10:01
xenolScorpKing: i need to log root i guess10:01
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alucardromerohitmanWilly: I'm with ya on that one.10:01
ScorpKingxenol: sudo su10:01
trappisthitmanWilly: I think it's a question of what will fit on a CD.10:01
alucardromeroYeah, that's true.10:02
alucardromeroDVD!10:02
alucardromerohahah10:02
trappisteverybody has pet packages they wish were included by default10:02
hitmanWillytrappist: build-essential IS on the cd, just not installed by default IIRC10:02
xenolScorpKing: but where plz? when i log on my kubuntu install i am locked10:02
trappisthitmanWilly: you could be right10:02
ScorpKingxenol: that will give you root. you can try mv ~/.kde ~/.kdeold first as the normal user10:02
ScorpKingxenol: in the konsole10:02
xenolScorpKing: from login screen can i start it?10:03
hitmanWillytrappist: and also, AFAIK, buntu is the only distro that doesn't include a compiler by default10:03
hitmanWillybut that's just my pet peeve...lol10:03
trappisthitmanWilly: that one's definitely not true - there are distros that ship on a floppy!10:03
alucardromeroDSL10:03
ScorpKingxenol: boot from your box and press <ctrl>+<alt>+F1 when it's up.10:03
alucardromeroDamn Small Linux10:03
ChousukehitmanWilly: a compiler is useless to most people10:03
trappisthitmanWilly: also, ubuntu tries very hard (and does a pretty decent job) to keep you from having to build anything from source, by having such a massive repo of packages10:04
hitmanWillytrappist: ok, sorry, desktop distro10:04
xenolScorpKing: sudo su as login but what pwd?10:04
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ChousukehitmanWilly: and it only gives more power to attackers if they get onto your computer somehow.10:04
ScorpKingxenol: wait.10:04
ScorpKingxenol: go to konsole10:04
trappistChousuke: there is that10:04
xenolScorpKing: i am on live cd atm10:04
ScorpKingxenol: it's under System on the kmenu10:05
trappistChousuke: there have also been worms (like slapper for apache) that take advantage of a compiler to do their evil deeds10:05
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xenolScorpKing: i am10:05
ScorpKingxenol: type ls /dev/ | grep hd10:05
ScorpKingxenol: what hd* is there?10:05
hitmanWillyChousuke: ok, a compiler installed is not a security hole, there's a thousand other ways to bork a system without a C compiler, and how many crackers do you know who upload source trojans...lol10:06
xenolScorpKing: u mean which partition or hd type?10:06
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ScorpKingxenol: which is your main drive?10:06
ScorpKingxenol: /dev/hda1?10:06
ChousukehitmanWilly: a compiler can be used to compile local exploits to gain root10:06
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ChousukehitmanWilly: the point being, if you don't need a compiler, it's better to not have one installed.10:07
trappisthitmanWilly: and that can be taken advantage of remotely and automatically, as I mentioned a moment ago10:07
xenolScorpKing: /dev/hdb2 is /10:07
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ScorpKingxenol: sudo mount /dev/hdb2 /mnt10:07
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xenolScorpKing:  mounted10:08
hitmanWillyok, well, I didn't mean to start a flamewar here, but that's just my personal opinion, don't take it the wrong way10:08
ScorpKingxenol: chroot /mnt10:08
trappistalso, if you do need a compiler, you're probably sufficiently clueful to be able to install one :)10:08
hitmanWillytrappist: ok, i'll give you that one :)10:09
ScorpKingxenol: ugh. no need for thet10:09
xenolScorpKing: :S10:09
Daisuke_Idotrappist: after being here for the past six months, i can't say i agree10:09
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trappistDaisuke_Ido: there's always that 10%10:09
ScorpKingxenol: cd /mnt/home/you10:09
ChousukeDaisuke_Ido: some of those people may not be clueful enough to understand that they really don't need a compiler :P10:09
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xenolScorpKing: no such file or directory i deleted my account :S10:10
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Daisuke_IdoChousuke: and that was exactly the issue10:10
Daisuke_Idoi hate my keyboard :\10:10
xenolScorpKing: and forgot to create new one :/10:10
ScorpKingxenol: then chroot /mnt10:10
ScorpKinglol10:10
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xenolScorpKing: can i log root from login screen and create new acc>10:10
xenol?10:10
Seek_TherapyHi! does Ubuntu have a Swf convertor....So that i can burn to DVD?10:11
ScorpKingxenol: does chroot work? no, root login won't work.10:11
Daisuke_Idoif you were talking about flv, i know there's a script that uses mplayer to do an flv > avi conversion, but i have no idea where i found it10:11
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xenolScorpKing: no :/10:12
ScorpKingxenol: press <ESC> when grub loads and select option 2. that will boot you to root.10:12
hitmanWillyok, well, also im an old slack guy, so my opinions tend to be a little bit skewed from the buntu powers that be...10:12
xenolScorpKing: recovery mode?10:12
ScorpKingxenol: then just run adduser you10:12
ScorpKingyes10:12
feierfoxhow to use subtitles in VLC?10:12
xenolScorpKing: will open in terminal or in x?10:12
ScorpKingxenol: terminal10:12
Seek_Therapydoes Ubuntu have a Swf convertor....So that i can burn to DVD !10:12
xenolScorpKing: possible to start x?10:12
hitmanWillyfeierfox: gui or term?10:12
feierfoxguI!10:13
ScorpKingxenol: not as root.10:13
hitmanWillyfeierfox: ok :) but term vlc is possible...lol10:13
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feierfoxah10:13
ScorpKingxenol: when you get to the root terminal just type - adduser you - and then - init 510:13
feierfoxjust drag and drop10:13
xenolScorpKing: init 5?10:13
hitmanWillyfeierfox: its a menu option, hold on a sec...10:13
xenolScorpKing: no need for group?10:13
ScorpKingxenol: or 2 or 310:13
feierfoxVLC handles subtitles much more ergnomic then kaffeine10:14
acomacoHmm is there any program looking like "deamon tools"?10:14
ScorpKingxenol: group is automatic10:14
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trappistacomaco: you mean the windows one that mounts isos?10:14
xenolScorpKing: same name as my acc name right>10:14
acomacoyep10:14
ScorpKingyes10:14
Daisuke_Idoacomaco: there are, but realize that all of the iso formats you're familiar with are pretty much useless to you now10:14
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xenolScorpKing: and pass?10:14
Daisuke_Idoiso, or bin/cue10:14
Daisuke_Idothat's about it10:14
trappistacomaco: sudo mount -t iso9660 filename.iso /mnt/point10:14
jussi01how do i restart kicker?10:14
Chousuketrappist: -o loop10:14
acomacookey thx trappist10:15
trappistChousuke: right, thanks :)10:15
hitmanWillyfeierfox: hmm, can't seem to find it...10:15
ScorpKingxenol: it will ask. test it on the cd. go to konsole and type sudo adduser you10:15
trappistacomaco: what Chousuke said - sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop filename.iso /mnt/point10:15
acomacotrappist: Chousuke: anything i needed?10:15
hitmanWillyfeierfox: but it should be similar to switching audio tracks10:15
acomacothxx10:15
xenolScorpKing: room number?10:15
trappistacomaco: special packages?  nope, long as it's an iso and not a bit/cue10:15
rodrigoalguem sabe como fao para configurar a rede no debian10:15
feierfoxno it isnt10:15
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ScorpKingxenol: just press <enter> 5 times and select Y10:16
trappistrodrigo: spanish or portugese?10:16
jussi01!pt10:16
ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.10:16
feierfox!de10:16
ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de10:16
feierfox:D10:16
trappistyeah that.10:16
jussi01!es10:16
ubotuSi busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.10:16
xenolScorpKing: thats all?10:16
Sin_Citadelcan anyone tell me how can i make kubuntu work with beryl10:16
ScorpKingyes10:16
xenollol thx dude10:16
feierfox!vatikan10:16
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about vatikan - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi10:16
acomacoSin_Citadel: whats your problem?10:16
ScorpKingxenol: np10:16
trappistSin_Citadel: beryl is merged with compiz-fusion.  the beryl project is dead.10:17
Sin_Citadelok then10:17
Sin_Citadeltell me how can i make compiz fusion work10:17
acomaco!beryl10:17
ubotuberyl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects10:17
Sin_Citadelis there a guide10:17
rodrigono consigo enxergar a rede s acessar a internet10:17
trappistSin_Citadel: there are lots of howtos on the forums and elsewhere10:17
acomacogoogle is your friend Sin_Citadel10:17
Sin_Citadeli tried10:17
hitmanWillyfeierfox: hmmm, maybe under navigation?10:17
Sin_Citadelmost of em are for ubuntu10:17
trappist!es | rodrigo10:17
uboturodrigo: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.10:17
Sin_Citadelthey discuss gnome10:17
Sin_Citadelnot kde10:18
acomacothey work the same Sin_Citadel i would guess10:18
Sin_Citadeland i m a noob10:18
rodrigook10:18
Sin_Citadelandd.... i have at ati X1600 card10:18
hitmanWillyfeierfox: sorry, don't have anything subbed handy...lol10:18
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Sin_Citadelok nm, i'll check the ubuntu one, mayeb i could make sense of it10:20
hitmanWillyfeierfox: all my dvd's are ripped to the hd, with all the subs and extra audio tracks pulled out...10:20
trappistSin_Citadel: the only difference for kde will be you start kde-window-decorator instead of whatever the one is for gnome10:20
trappistSin_Citadel: and, there are kde-specific ones10:20
feierfoxts...10:20
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Sin_Citadeltrappist: problem is that i have an ati card, and i installed xgl server, added the option to start a new xgl session too, but it is too slow10:22
Sin_Citadelanyway i can fix it?10:22
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hitmanWillySin_Citadel: you'll get that with current gen ati drivers10:22
chalcedonyi need some help understanding a KDE app for cd/dvd creation called K3b i need to know how to do the final process to make the cd10:22
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trappistSin_Citadel: I'm sure there is, but I have an nvidia card so I don't know - you might ask in #compiz-fusion10:22
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Sin_Citadelok trappist10:23
trappistchalcedony: you should have a "burn" button10:23
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chalcedonyi need some help understanding a KDE app for cd/dvd creation called K3b i need to know how to do the final process to make the cd? I'm trying to make a backup of my system10:23
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hitmanWillySin_Citadel: now you understand why all the nix folks have issues with ati :)10:23
Sin_CitadelhitmanWilly: i have installed the ati drivers from ubuntu repo10:23
Sin_Citadelyes :(10:23
chalcedonytrappist: there are 4 places on the window for stuff to show.. the last one is the big box on the right, bottom... what should be there?10:23
Sin_Citadelati never messed with me on windows10:23
intelikeychalcedony there is a "burn" button10:24
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hitmanWillySin_Citadel: the ati driers for linux are binary only, just like the nvidia ones, and they didn't do a very good job coding them10:24
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trappistchalcedony: I don't have a set-up k3b here to look at, but I think it's on the left above the cd/dvd filesystem view10:24
hitmanWillySin_Citadel: unlike the nvidia folks10:24
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trappistI suspect that ATI drivers will be improving dramatically now that the company's been bought by a linux-friendly company10:25
intelikeychalcedony as trappist said ^   and on the next window on the far right10:25
Sin_Citadelyeah10:25
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chalcedonytrappist: i can see the button, i just want to make sure it's actually doing what it's supposed to do when i hit it10:25
Sin_Citadeli was thinking of buyin the new ati card10:25
Sin_Citadelbut with all these problems in linux, now i m not too sure10:25
trappistchalcedony: it's not going to torch your computer, if that's what you mean10:25
hitmanWillySin_Citadel: which is why the open source ati driver is actually better than the nvidia one, more incentive :)10:26
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Sin_Citadelhey guys, whts the diff b/w compiz and compiz fusion10:26
chalcedonycan i ask you guys another one.. my son had his system set up as a 64 bit .. he put my data on it .. now i want to change it back to 32 bit.. will this work?10:26
Sin_Citadeloh wait, scratch that10:27
Daisuke_Idocompiz is dead10:27
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hitmanWillySin_Citadel: compiz-fusion has beryl folded back into it, which was a fork of the original compiz anyway10:27
Sin_Citadelthey have the diff on there site10:27
Daisuke_Idocompiz fusion is the deforking of compiz and beryl10:27
intelikeychalcedony yes you can install the 32bit linux on the same computer.10:27
chalcedonyok.. i pushed burn.. it says "NO Data to Burn -K3b" "Please add files to your project first"10:28
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Sin_Citadelany of u know a good kicker applet lik that of gnome10:28
Sin_Citadelwhich monitors system resources10:28
hitmanWillyor set up a 32bit chroot, even :P10:28
Sin_Citadela cpu grap, memory raph, network graph10:28
intelikeychalcedony didn't drag and drop anything from the top half to the bottom half of the first window ???10:28
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hitmanWillySin_Citadel: its not kicker app, but look into conky10:29
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Sin_CitadelhitmanWilly: can u gimme a url10:29
hitmanWilly!info conky | Sin_Citadel10:29
ubotusin_citadel: conky: highly configurable system monitor for X based on torsmo. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.4.5-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 123 kB, installed size 416 kB10:29
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chalcedony"Problems while adding files to the project ..10:30
Sin_Citadelok10:30
chalcedonyit's moving all the sub directories at once .. since i have just the directory name at the top10:30
Sin_Citadelhey isnt there a buntu deb package for compiz fusion in the repo?10:30
hitmanWillySin_Citadel: its in the repos, and its small, give it a shot and see what you think10:30
hitmanWillySin_Citadel: yes10:30
intelikeychalcedony clicking on the dir will expand10:31
chalcedonyoh~10:31
chalcedonyoh!10:31
hitmanWillySin_Citadel: it may be in backports, but it should be there10:31
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Sin_Citadelall right10:31
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chalcedonyum then it vanishes and says backupfile 1.0 gig10:32
intelikeychalcedony you will find that you can not burn links to the cd   (iirc)  and thus it might be better to tar up the data then burn the tarballs to the disk10:33
trappistalso the cd won't preserve permissions.  if you're burning a backup to cd/dvd, yes, definitely make a tarball10:33
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bjwebbhi!10:34
chalcedonyummm10:34
bjwebbi have broke my system :S10:34
bjwebbi can't seem to log in10:34
intelikeytar and gz   are standard linux tools common on "almost every linux box"   so it shouldn't be much of a challange to create or extract them.10:34
bjwebbcan anyone help?10:35
intelikeyis more time consumming,  but preserves hard and symbolic links, as well as ownership and permissions.10:35
bjwebbwhy would kdm start, but it hang after i try to log in?10:35
bjwebblog in at tty is also not possible10:36
intelikeybjwebb something in your personal settings that the system can't digest ?10:36
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Rise_Againstbjwebb modules maybe10:36
Rise_Againsthave you got a live-cd?10:37
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hitmanWillyRise_Against: i doubt it since kdm loads a full X session when it starts10:37
bjwebbRise_Against: er yes i have, but im on the partition now, but using the recovery mode10:38
Rise_Againsthmm10:38
bjwebbwhere you just get a root terminal10:38
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Sin_Citadelhey trappist10:38
Rise_Againstyou mean start without kde10:38
Sin_Citadelwhy doesnt kubuntu auto-mount an external drive?10:38
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Rise_Againstwhat o.O10:38
Rise_Againstit doesnt?10:38
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bjwebbRise_Against: me mean start without kde?10:39
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Rise_Againstbjwebb yea but i dont know how :S10:40
Rise_Againstsry but i am a newbie ;)10:40
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hitmanWillybjwebb: can you start up X with startx?10:40
bjwebbRise_Against: yeah i have done, theres an option in grub10:40
bjwebbhitmanWilly: ill try10:40
intelikeyi wish i could stay connected more than 4.2 minutes10:41
bjwebbbtw im root, but i can't ls my user's home dir10:41
bjwebbintelikey: get a shell?10:41
hitmanWillyintelikey: sounds like your isp is pretty lousy10:41
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hitmanWillybjwebb: waht?10:41
intelikeybjwebb that would help how exactly ?10:41
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intelikeyhitmanWilly it's the worst i've ever messed with.10:42
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Creationist225I'm having a problem with Kubuntu Gutsy Beta... where can I go to ask for help?10:42
hitmanWillyintelikey: if i were you, i'd be shopping for a new one :)10:42
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bjwebbintelikey: it would cure the symptoms, tho not the cause10:43
intelikeyi would too.    but it's a "business" thang10:43
bjwebbhitmanWilly: startx works from this "restore mode"10:43
hitmanWillyintelikey: ah, gotcha10:43
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hitmanWillybjwebb: ok, ctrl-alt-f2 and try logging in as your normal user10:43
bjwebbhitmanWilly: if i cd /home/bjwebb2, the ls command hangs10:43
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bjwebbhitmanWilly: im on the restore thing, i only have ctrl-alt-f110:44
hitmanWillybjwebb: ah, crap...10:44
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Ibkanatwhere can I look up kernel flags? Or see if my bios is being fixed in the kernel10:44
intelikeyas i typed for bjwebb before i got disconnected last.   your problem sounds like it's in your users  $HOME/.*10:44
hitmanWillyyeah, now i see that issue, i agree10:44
bjwebbintelikey: yeah, problem is i can't see my home dir10:44
Rise_Againsto_O10:45
Sin_CitadelhitmanWilly: can conky also monitor my frequency scaling?10:45
intelikeybjwebb then it's not there10:45
bjwebbhow do i start the gettys manually?10:45
hitmanWillybjwebb: is /home on a different partition10:45
intelikeybjwebb root can see what ever is there10:45
Ibkanatmy kernel is really instable10:45
bjwebbhitmanWilly: it is and its mounted10:45
bjwebbi can cd to it10:45
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bjwebbbut ls just hangs10:45
hitmanWillySin_Citadel: probably, there's a million different options for it10:45
Ibkanatlastest kubuntu10:45
thaler2hi all10:45
intelikeybjwebb umount it and fsck it10:45
hitmanWillybjwebb: ok, try dismounting it and running an fsck10:46
Sin_CitadelhitmanWilly: what is ksmserver?10:46
bjwebbhitmanWilly: okies10:46
intelikeyhitmanWilly sorry,   you have it.  i'll step back     too many cooks ya know10:46
hitmanWillyintelikey: that sounds almost pornographic the way you put it...lol10:46
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bjwebbhmm device is busy10:46
Ibkanathave google for help but found little to none. Hp laptops dont ya lovem10:47
intelikeyhitmanWilly only if that's where your mind dwells10:47
hitmanWillybjwebb: ok, try booting up the live-cd and do it from there10:47
bjwebbhitmanWilly: okay10:47
hitmanWillyintelikey: well, it is me we're talkin