[01:19] <bascule> ?
[01:20] <DanaG> I still think it's bad that Tabbrowser Extension (TBE) is in the repos.
[01:20] <DanaG> That extension is severely broken.
[01:20] <DanaG> Tab Mix Plus is what I use instead.
[01:20] <gavintlgold> bascule: i'm running off a livecd right now
[01:20] <bascule> ah
[01:20] <bascule> are you chroot in?
[01:20] <gavintlgold> yes
[01:20] <gavintlgold> with the instructions on the forums
[01:21] <bascule> come out chroot and before you go back run mount --bind /dev /mnt/point/dev
[01:21] <gavintlgold> i could try booting....
[01:21] <gavintlgold> oh ok
[01:21] <gavintlgold> :)
[01:21] <bascule> mount none -t procfs /proc  one of those
[01:21] <bascule> actually both of those
[01:22] <bascule> mount none -t procfs /mnt/point/proc
[01:22] <bascule> gavintlgold: ^
[01:22] <bascule> basically cloning /dev/ anr /proc from the cd for the install
[01:23] <gavintlgold> i'm going to try to boot into my install (in a terminal
[01:23] <gavintlgold> )
[01:24] <gavintlgold> if that doesn't work, i'll come back
[01:24] <gavintlgold> thanks.. maybe see you later ;)
[01:24] <bascule> ok
[01:27] <CarlFK> gutsy alternate installer says: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.22-12-386/modules.dep: No such file or directory
[01:28] <CarlFK> but I can cat it just fine
[01:28] <Amaranth> CarlFK: sudo depmod -a
[01:28] <h|barbobot> hey guys i just upgraded to gutsy, i have a dual monitor setup and now when i maximize the window it goes over both monitors whereas before it would only open in one. Is there a way to get it back to the previous behavior?
[01:29] <CarlFK> Amaranth: um... sudo?  (guessing you are missing I am still in the installer)
[01:29] <Amaranth> CarlFK: oh, uh, ouch
[01:30] <Amaranth> CarlFK: using the beta CD?
[01:30] <CarlFK> using the daily build
[01:30] <CarlFK> depmod -a - no error
[01:30] <Amaranth> Ok then, that would be your problem :)
[01:30] <Amaranth> There is no guarantee the daily builds will work, use the beta
[01:30] <CarlFK> im guessing a dev would want to fix this
[01:31] <CarlFK> if I wanted stable, I would just use feisty :)
[01:31] <NeoGeo64> I'm really cheap.
[01:31] <Amaranth> CarlFK: It'll be fixed by the RC release
[01:31] <NeoGeo64> I'm just going to burn a bunch of Ubuntu CDs and give them as gifts.
[01:31] <NeoGeo64> for Christmas.
[01:31] <Amaranth> CarlFK: Otherwise this is not the place, file a bug
[01:32] <h|barbobot> oh just to add, I am using nvidia with twin view
[01:33] <Amaranth> h|barbobot: KDE?
[01:33] <h|barbobot> no gnome and kde seem to be affected
[01:34] <NightBird> I'm having a problem getting kde to start up.  checking the kdm.log, I see the following error with a backtrace: Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aboring
[01:35] <NightBird> if someone wants to point me to a pastebin to use, I can post the backtrace
[01:35] <NightBird> (it's just 8 deep)
[01:35] <hydrogen> http://irock.pastebin.ca
[01:35] <bascule> !pastebin
[01:35] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:35] <hydrogen> oh
[01:35] <hydrogen> silly me
[01:35] <hydrogen> http://irock.pastebin.com/
[01:36] <hydrogen> is what I meant
[01:38] <NightBird> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39201/
[01:39] <NightBird> and.... isn't gutsy using a new kernel?  I'm seeing the same kernel version as feisty...
[01:39] <NightBird> if so, is that possibly the problem?
[01:39] <RAOF> Quite possibly.
[01:39] <NightBird> and if so, what do I need to run to update the grub menu so that it displays the new version
[01:40] <^Ocean^> what do i modify my sources.list too ?
[01:40] <philip> the new gnome panel looks too sharp, doesn't feel as polished to me
[01:42] <NightBird> ah
[01:42] <NightBird> update-grub... *tries it*
[01:42] <rico_> hey guys. I did some silly things (like installing/reinstalling some packages) and now my Nautilus is broken. No desktop icons, folder browser windows won't open. Anyone got any clue to where I can start figuring this out?
[01:43] <NightBird> ... it's still not working...
[01:43] <NightBird> it's only displaying it from when I installed a 64 bit ubuntu install....
[01:43] <philip> if we only have native ZFS
[01:43] <TiaGo|SouZa> rico_: that happened here too
[01:43] <NightBird> but the update-grub said it updated it correctly....
[01:43] <RAOF> NightBird: How did you install?  You should be seeing 2.6.22-12-generic as your kernel.
[01:44] <NightBird> RAOF: I'm thinking it might be looking at the 64 bit grub menu
[01:44] <rico_> TiaGo|SouZa, sigh. I tried apt-get remove nautilus and installing it back. no luck.
[01:44] <NightBird> which hasn't been updated since I installed it
[01:45] <NightBird> my 32 bit install is on hda4, the 64 bit on hda1
[01:45] <rico_> TiaGo|SouZa, any other clue? :b
[01:45] <NightBird> how can I tell it to use the grub data on hda4?
[01:46] <TiaGo|SouZa> rico_: are u in gutsy? xgl? compiz on or off?
[01:46] <RAOF> NightBird: I'm not sure, but someone here will know. :)
[01:47] <wabiD> can anyone help me with thos - http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4123/granju7.png
[01:48] <rico_> what about it wabid?
[01:48] <wabiD> why is gran paradiso have huge images?
[01:48] <gaminggeek> hey has there been updates in the past 3 or 4 days?
[01:49] <wabiD> thats what gran paradiso looks like for me, with a fresh install
[01:49] <wabiD> no settings changed
[01:50] <rico_> weird, I'm not sure. I'm guessing it's a DPI issue, but other than that I dont know how to help...
[01:52] <wabiD> why wouldnt it effect firefox, the layour.css.dpi is set to -1 for both
[01:54] <gaminggeek> what does layout.css.dpi do?
[01:54] <wabiD> i dunno
[01:55] <wabiD> its the only about config entry with dpi in it
[01:56] <kurros> what dpi is gnome using?
[01:56] <r3m0t> what's up with this firefox plugin handlin?
[01:58] <mikubuntu> heeellllllllppppp.... downloadaded 80 updates to gutsy today, and boy, is my screen ever screwed up now :( ... have like double images and two cursors onscreen, and it's all very strange... anyone else have this prob?
[01:58] <wabiD> 96
[01:58] <wabiD> but if i change it to 77 gran paradiso looks the same
[01:58] <wabiD> dpi only changes font size
[01:58] <TiaGo|SouZa> mikubuntu: me
[01:58] <TiaGo|SouZa> :p
[01:59] <mikubuntu> TiaGo|SouZa: looks like you said 'me' but i'm not sure since only half the m is showing ... lol ... not funny :)
[02:00] <mikubuntu> going to try another update thru the cli ...l\
[02:02] <TiaGo|SouZa> mikubuntu: it happened with me too
[02:02] <TiaGo|SouZa> mikubuntu: I turned compiz off, restart the pc and..voil, everything solved!
[02:02] <TiaGo|SouZa> :P
[02:04] <Xero> spam spam compiz bacon eggs and spam.
[02:05] <AmyRose> Yuck
[02:05] <Xero> SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM! Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!
[02:06] <r3m0t> should I keep ubuntu-desktop installed until release, or can I remove it?
[02:06] <Xero> r3m0t, it's removable.
[02:06] <TiaGo|SouZa> just an empty metapackage
[02:07] <r3m0t> OK - I guess no packages are going to be added to it so late in the game...
[02:08] <notv> hey
[02:08] <notv> is gutsy out yet?
[02:08] <Xero> Spam.
[02:08] <Xero> Nope. Oct 18.
[02:08] <FunnyLookinHat> notv, yea no.
[02:08] <Xero> Spam october 18th Gutsy spam will be spam released.
[02:09] <notv> is the version out now going to be much different than the official release?
[02:09] <Xero> Spam no.
[02:09] <r3m0t> notv: no, but it still isn't stable - they broke the grub package yesterday :-)
[02:09] <Xero> Okay I'll stop with the SPAM now.
[02:09] <notv> fantastic
[02:09] <notv> im wondering
[02:09] <Xero> r3m0t, How did they break grub yesterday? What happened?
[02:10] <notv> will there be better ati drivers?
[02:10] <Xero> I installed a grub update and mine isn't broken.
[02:10] <r3m0t> Xero: a brief version of volumeid had a broken postinit in the deb
[02:10] <r3m0t> Xero: my internet connection was unreliable so for all I know it was only up for 5 minutes. an apt-get update fixed it.
[02:10] <Xero> r3m0t, I must have downloaded before/after that grim happening.
[02:11] <r3m0t> indeed
[02:11] <Xero> OMG KOPETE ARE T3H KRASH
[02:12] <Xero> Are there any fun programs with tray icons? I need to make my top panel seem more important.
[02:13] <gavintlgold> ok, so i seem to be back in action
[02:13] <r3m0t> um, applets are much better. Try wanda the fish.
[02:13] <r3m0t> I think firestarter might have a tray icon
[02:13] <gavintlgold> i'm updating from my "gutsy" install... i think it's really more like "feigutsy"
[02:13] <Xero> I have a weather report on my panel.
[02:13] <gavintlgold> ubuntu 7.07
[02:13] <gavintlgold> :P
[02:13] <r3m0t> Xero: add more, for the locations of all your relatives
[02:14] <Xero> Feitsy
[02:14] <Xero> :)
[02:14] <gavintlgold> but at least i'm back again
[02:14] <gavintlgold> lol
[02:14] <notv> why does the fglrx driver suck
[02:14] <notv> half the time i boot i get a black screen
[02:14] <notv> i dont think ubuntu likes laptops
[02:14] <r3m0t> notv: it likes mine
[02:15] <Vorian> howdy gavintlgold :)
[02:15] <gavintlgold> hi Vorian
[02:15] <gavintlgold> wow... no new updates
[02:15] <gavintlgold> i guess this is really feisty...
[02:16] <Xero> I now have a system monitor built into my panel.
[02:16] <Xero> It monitors proc and ram. Only using half of my RAM!
[02:16] <Vorian> eh?
[02:17] <Xero> I also have a search button, a show desktop button, and a force quitter. Hooray for making the top panel important again!
[02:17] <NightBird> ok....I'm getting the following error: "X: client 2 rejected from local host (uid 1000)"
[02:17] <r3m0t> Xero: deskbar rules over all
[02:17] <Xero> r3m0t, the new deskbar sucks. It's bulky and quite a clunky UI.
[02:18] <Xero> The old one was nice.
[02:18] <r3m0t> Xero: actually, I semi-agree
[02:18] <r3m0t> the results page only shows about 5 lines. it should fill most of the screen
[02:18] <NightBird> auth.log states that "pam_unix(kdm:session): session was opened for user <my username> by (uid=0)" followed close by "pam_unix(kdm:session): session closed for user <my username>"
[02:18] <Xero> I have proc, net, ram, and swap monitors now.
[02:18] <r3m0t> which calendar apps integrate with gnome?
[02:18] <Xero> Try Sunbird.
[02:19] <Xero> Actually, there's one built into the GNOME clock.
[02:19] <gavintlgold> lol, i'm getting all these crash reports
[02:19] <sobersabre> guys, I have a machine that gets stuck with gutsy.
[02:19] <sobersabre> I made sure it doesn't relate compiz, but relates X
[02:19] <sobersabre> where shall I send the dmesg ?
[02:19] <Xero> gavintlgold, I got those 4 days ago when I updated a certain package.
[02:19] <sobersabre> is there a place where such problems are concentrated ?
[02:19] <gavintlgold> they're from like 2 days ago though :/
[02:20] <Xero> gavintlgold, mine were from weeks ago.
[02:20] <Xero> I enjoy forcequits.
[02:20] <r3m0t> who the hell decided to make packages for firefox plugins?
[02:20] <wabiD> http://pastebin.com/m7db154c
[02:20] <wabiD> does that give a hint?
[02:20] <gavintlgold> awn and kiba-dock are neck-and-neck
[02:21] <gavintlgold> ok. i installed restricted drivers... rebooting
[02:21] <Xero> kiba-dock has Akamaru.
[02:21] <r3m0t> why did I like Mist once but like it no more?
[02:22] <Xero> Awn doesn't but it has different charms and awesomeness.
[02:22] <r3m0t> how do you configure compiz-fusion or whatever they call it these days?
[02:22] <Xero> It's now compiz-spambot-bakedbeans-kittenlazer
[02:22] <r3m0t> wow
[02:23] <r3m0t> wait, no, the other thing.
[02:23] <Xero> What other thing?
[02:23] <r3m0t> not wow.
[02:24] <NightBird> does anyone know how to get the X server to stop rejecting me?
[02:24] <scipio> r3m0t, http://forlong.blogage.de/article/2007/8/29/How-to-set-up-Compiz-Fusion
[02:24] <Xero> lol?
[02:24] <rico_> what's akabau?
[02:24] <rico_> akamaru?
[02:24] <r3m0t> no Xero, it's a cliche by now
[02:24] <Xero> akamaru is a physics engine.
[02:24] <rico_> oh, and how do you do a force quit?
[02:25] <ReL1K> how do i get beryl on gutsy?
[02:25] <Xero> Forcequit=ctrl+alt+esc or alt+f4 or use the Forcequit applet in the GNOME panel
[02:25] <Xero> Akamaru is a physics engine named after a Naruto character, a dog, actually.
[02:25] <Xero> Kiba-dock is a dock using this engine named after the owner of said Naruto character dog.
[02:25] <gavintlgold> question: is the old "desktop effects" window supposed to still be there in gutsy?
[02:25] <ReL1K> nevermind
[02:25] <rico_> relik, why would you want beryl? gutsy has compiz-fusion by default.
[02:25] <crdlb> gavintlgold, it should be under appearance now
[02:26] <gavintlgold> yeah, ok, so i have feitsy then
[02:26] <gavintlgold> feisty-gutsy
[02:26] <gavintlgold> an in-between install
[02:26] <Xero> fetsy
[02:26] <Xero> lol
[02:26] <gavintlgold> that doesn't realize that it is one
[02:26] <r3m0t> gavintlgold: it's under the appearance applet in a tab
[02:26] <rico_> futsy.
[02:26] <gavintlgold> i don't have an appearance applet :D
[02:27] <gavintlgold> my distribution update was forced to stop mid-way
[02:27] <r3m0t> I thought things weren't meant to steal focus any more, but they do. fix?
[02:27] <Xero> lol i like watching the network usage spike up when i type a message
[02:27] <gavintlgold> now that is weird...
[02:29] <r3m0t> omg, compiz negative is amazing
[02:29] <gavintlgold> whoa!
[02:29] <gavintlgold> the new gimp logo is weird
[02:29] <gavintlgold> cool though
[02:29] <Xero> indeed
[02:30] <Xero> lol.
[02:30] <Xero> When i negative, everything turns red.
[02:30] <philip> Gimp -Release Conadidate   should be Candidate
[02:30] <Xero> I think they did it on purpose.
[02:31] <sin1> does anyone know what happened to the N64 Emulator repo?
[02:31] <gavintlgold> i made a screenshot which pretty much sums up the weirdness factor i'm having here
[02:31] <rico_> would anyone know of a lightweight image editor? for, say, if you just want to crop/resize an image and dont wantto load up GIMP for that
[02:31] <gavintlgold> http://picpaste.com/pics/weird_.1191198695.png
[02:32] <crdlb> rico_, imagemagick is useful for that sort of thing
[02:32] <philip> Photoshop under wine is pretty light weight :P
[02:33] <rico_> philip, you've got to be kidding me.
[02:33] <rico_> :b
[02:33] <NightBird> ... I just tried an xhost +<username>@localhost, and I got an Xerror of failed request.... the integer parameter out of range for operation...
[02:33] <rico_> (besides, I couldn't get CS3 to run under wine)
[02:33] <gavintlgold> so, umm i'm pretty much really messed up
[02:33] <rico_> crdlb, I was hoping for something with a GUI :)
[02:33] <rico_> gavintlgold, whys that wierd?
[02:34] <mikubuntu> TiaGo|SouZa: how did you turn compiz off?
[02:34] <gavintlgold> rico_: because I have a mix between gutsy and feisty
[02:34] <gavintlgold> even though updating says i'm up to date
[02:34] <rico_> okaayy
[02:34] <gavintlgold> at least that's what it seems like
[02:34] <Xero> Does anyone know what this is?
[02:35] <crdlb> rico_, imgemagick has a gui
[02:35] <Xero> Some guys take a long vacation to throw a ring into a volcano
[02:35] <crdlb> display
[02:35] <TiaGo|SouZa> mikubuntu: system > preferences > "look"
[02:35] <gavintlgold> also, i have a white screen when trying to start the effects ;)
[02:35] <TiaGo|SouZa> in visual effects tab, choose none
[02:35] <CarlFK> rico_: imagemagick's display
[02:36] <gavintlgold> ok, can anyone give me an example of something noticeable about feisty?
[02:36] <gavintlgold> sorry
[02:36] <gavintlgold> gutsy
[02:36] <wabiD> compiz
[02:37] <gavintlgold> yeah, i don't have that
[02:37] <CarlFK> rico_: display P1010001.JPG - click on the image, pick 'transform' from the menu
[02:37] <gavintlgold> trying to enable results in a white screen (unlike in feisty)
[02:37] <crdlb> gavintlgold, run something like metacity --version
[02:37] <gavintlgold> i saw it say that metacity was updated though
[02:37] <gavintlgold> also, i don't have a deskbar applet here
[02:38] <wabiD> if yo use compiz you wont use metacity, right
[02:38] <gavintlgold> i mean, not by default
[02:38] <gavintlgold> nvm that's new
[02:38] <wabiD> ?
[02:38] <mikubuntu> TiaGo|SouZa: it's already set to none ... :(
[02:39] <gavintlgold> strange.. i can start compiz with fusion-icon
[02:40] <mikubuntu> going to reboot and see what happens ...
[02:40] <gavintlgold> but i can't start emerald or gtk-window-decorator
[02:40] <TiaGo|SouZa> mikubuntu: what's your graphic card?
[02:40] <gavintlgold> emerald: error while loading shared libraries: libwnck-1.so.18: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:40] <RAOF> gavintlgold: You've got Trevio's emerald installed.
[02:40] <crdlb> gavintlgold, that means you have emerald built for feisty
[02:41] <gavintlgold> i guess i can run get-git again?
[02:41] <crdlb> ...
[02:41] <RAOF> ...!
[02:41] <gavintlgold> or just compile emerald
[02:41] <crdlb> make is not the answer
[02:41] <gavintlgold> no?
[02:41] <RAOF> gavintlgold: Or remove the crack from your sources.list, remove all your compiz packages & reinstall them to get actual working packages.
[02:42] <gavintlgold> crack?
[02:42] <crdlb> gavintlgold, you use trevinho's repo?
[02:42] <gavintlgold> no, i don't
[02:42] <RAOF> tuxfamily repositories.
[02:42] <gavintlgold> no repos are enabled other than ubuntu default
[02:42] <gavintlgold> because the installer disabled them
[02:42] <crdlb> gavintlgold, pastebin dpkg -l|grep compiz
[02:43] <RAOF> gavintlgold: But you did have Trevino's repositories?
[02:43] <crdlb> err that doesn't help if packages are already installed from them
[02:43] <gavintlgold> RAOF: no, i had git
[02:43] <gavintlgold> well, i had trev's non-eyecandy repos
[02:43] <crdlb> ...
[02:43] <crdlb> gavintlgold, installed to /usr/local I hope?
[02:43] <gavintlgold> that have nothing to do with emerald
[02:43] <gavintlgold> i think so
[02:44] <RAOF> Although, of course, /usr/local trumps /usr
[02:44] <crdlb> then yes if you want to continue using git, you need to rebuild all the packages
[02:44] <gavintlgold> yes, i did install emerald to user/local
[02:45] <gavintlgold> this is weird... all the features I was supposed to have in gutsy don't seem to be apparant
[02:45] <gavintlgold> but maybe they are
[02:45] <crdlb> gavintlgold, dpkg -l|grep compiz
[02:45] <Xero> http://www.flickr.com/photos/xero2007/
[02:46] <Xero> Just uploaded a screeny of my new Super Bloated Utility Panel (tm)
[02:46] <gavintlgold> http://pastebin.com/d1ea0656a
[02:46] <r3m0t> a good start Xero
[02:47] <Xero> lol
[02:47] <Xero> That's basically every useful applet there is.
[02:47] <r3m0t> and a few extra
[02:47] <Xero> lol
[02:48] <Xero> I can hide that panel too.
[02:48] <NightBird> .... interesting...
[02:48] <r3m0t> "Add/Remove Apps" used to show the location of each new .desktop in the menu. What happened?
[02:48] <gavintlgold> my "other" folder has about 5000 things in it, btw
[02:49] <Xero> I have Fusion-icon, Amarok, XChat, Kopete, many many panel applets, a drawer, Firefox, and 400MB RAM used.
[02:49] <Xero> Phear my RAM optimization power.
[02:49] <NightBird> why is it using the xgl server instead of the normal x server...
[02:49] <crdlb> NightBird, because you have xserver-xgl installed?
[02:49] <mikubuntu> can someone please help me recover my screen?  it's been cut in half, and i have two cursors showing, and it's all very strange .,.. someone said to goto system/prefs/appearance/visual effects and select 'none' and then reboot.  well i went there and 'none' was already selected, so it must be something else .... anybody else still experiencing this prob???
[02:49] <gavintlgold> i like the new email message.../
[02:49] <NightBird> crdlb: yes, but I only have it start xgl when I select the option from the startup menu
[02:50] <r3m0t> mikubuntu: what do you get in system/admin/prop drivers?
[02:50] <NightBird> which I didn't this time.... I selected the normal startup
[02:50] <gavintlgold> do i need to keep evolution open for it to display the mail message?
[02:50] <r3m0t> is there a website for deskbar applets?
[02:51] <mikubuntu> r3m0t: you mean sys/admin/ 'restricted drivers
[02:52] <mikubuntu> '?
[02:52] <r3m0t> yes, sorry mikubuntu
[02:52] <mikubuntu> ok, lemme see
[02:54] <mikubuntu> r3m0t: `only atheros hardware access driver (hal) showing enabled and in use ...
[02:54] <TiaGo|SouZa> mikubuntu: what's your graphic card?!
[02:55] <r3m0t> hmm... maybe you should try the vesa driver for X. can somebody explain how?
[02:55] <mikubuntu> is ati rage mobility, but not properly detecxted either, i have never been able to get 1024 screenres
[02:56] <TiaGo|SouZa> hm
[02:56] <TiaGo|SouZa> go to system > administration > screen and graphics
[02:56] <TiaGo|SouZa> graphic card tab
[02:56] <TiaGo|SouZa> click on driver
[02:57] <TiaGo|SouZa> and choose the right driver
[02:57] <mikubuntu> TiaGo|SouZa: been there, done that, no avail
[02:57] <TiaGo|SouZa> what driver did u choose?
[02:57] <mikubuntu> rage mobility 128
[02:57] <crdlb> ati's proprietary driver has never supported any of the rage cards
[02:58] <TiaGo|SouZa> go on vesa
[02:58] <crdlb> that won't give you more than 1024
[02:58] <mikubuntu> crdlb: ummmm, so basically sol on that one huh?
[02:58] <crdlb> ati is the best bet, but that's what you're already using
[02:58] <crdlb> (probably)
[02:59] <mikubuntu> TiaGo|SouZa: you mean select a vesa driver?
[02:59] <TiaGo|SouZa> mikubuntu: yep
[02:59] <mikubuntu> TiaGo|SouZa: ok, i try
[03:00] <philip> how do I enable the cube in compiz fusion? I only get a sheet (2 desktops)
[03:01] <TiaGo|SouZa> mikubuntu: did u try all the rages that are there?
[03:01] <TiaGo|SouZa> philip: u have to go to "custom" and enable the cube effect in preferences
[03:02] <TiaGo|SouZa> in the "visual tab" menu
[03:02] <TiaGo|SouZa> sorry, visual effects tab
[03:02] <mikubuntu> can't find 'vesa' anywhere in the section
[03:04] <TiaGo|SouZa> mikubuntu: forget about vesa
[03:04] <TiaGo|SouZa> did u try all rage mobility that are there?
[03:13] <mikubuntu> maybe i have to uninstall beryl???
[03:16] <nalioth> what is gnome-system-monitor and why is it using 100% CPU ?
[03:16] <Xero> lol.
[03:16] <Xero> gnome-system-monitor is the GNOME "task manager"
[03:17] <Xero> It tells you how much mem/proc is used and what programs are using it.
[03:17] <nalioth> but why is it running (and sucking 100% of my CPU) ?
[03:17] <gnomefreak> nalioth: ppc?
[03:17] <nalioth> gnomefreak: nope, Intel M
[03:17] <gnomefreak> please say yes
[03:17] <gnomefreak> damn
[03:18] <gnomefreak> nalioth: do you have it open?
[03:18] <gnomefreak> smart man
[03:18] <nalioth> gnomefreak: i've not started gnome-system-monitor at all
[03:18] <Xero> http://www.flickr.com/photos/xero2007/1389077190/ <---that screenshot has gnome-system-monitor in it, and I have no idea why it would suck your CPU.
[03:18] <NightBird> I think I might have finally got this thing working...
[03:18] <gnomefreak> nalioth: than that is bad bug
[03:18] <nalioth> well, i'm gonna kill it
[03:18] <NightBird> except for wireless...
[03:18] <Xero> add a -9 in the middle there.
[03:19] <gnomefreak> nalioth: it will kill alot of other things iirc
[03:19] <Xero> gnomefreak, it doesn't for me. I kill it all the time.
[03:19] <gnomefreak> there was a bug in it but its wasnt high cpu it was not starting with gnome seesion
[03:19] <crdlb> nah, it's just a windowed app
[03:19] <nalioth> ok, now on to find the real criminal:  what is udevd ?
[03:19] <crdlb> it's not a gnome daemon or anything
[03:19] <gnomefreak> oh good maybe im thinking of something else :)
[03:19] <crdlb> it makes your device nodes :)
[03:19] <Xero> udevd is the daemon for udev.
[03:19] <crdlb> somewhat important :P
[03:20] <gnomefreak> somewhat?
[03:20] <gnomefreak> lol
[03:20] <Xero> s/somewhat/Incredibly
[03:20] <nalioth> why is it running ~75% CPU ?
[03:20] <Xero> lol nalioth you may have something called a "screwed up install"
[03:21] <nalioth> Xero: maybe
[03:21] <nosrednaekim> any known problems updating at this time?
[03:21] <rico_> anyone ever encountered having Compiz-Fusion's screen edge triggers suddently stop working?
[03:21] <rico_> I just need to do a compiz --replace after that, but it gets annoying that it stops working suddenly
[03:21] <Xero> Nope.
[03:21] <Xero> My scale works nicely.
[03:21] <gnomefreak> nalioth: compiz enalbed?
[03:21] <gnomefreak> enabled*
[03:22] <nalioth> i killed udevd
[03:22] <Xero> Lol!
[03:22] <nalioth> gnomefreak: how do i check? it's a standard install of feisty upgraded to gutsy
[03:22] <gnomefreak> nalioth: system>apperance
[03:22] <Xero> That shouldn't have been done. Your device nodes are dead now, I think.
[03:23] <gnomefreak> system>prefference>appearance
[03:23] <nalioth> gnomefreak: says 'none'
[03:23] <gnomefreak> Xero: restart will fix that
[03:23] <gnomefreak> nalioth: ok
[03:23] <nalioth> Xero: shouldn't it respawn if necessary?
[03:23] <gnomefreak> why the hell are you running so damn high
[03:23] <gnomefreak> nalioth: not if you used -9
[03:24] <nalioth> gnomefreak: nah, i used the wide hammer "killall"
[03:24] <gnomefreak> nalioth: and it didnt restart already?
[03:24] <nalioth> gnomefreak: nope
[03:24] <NightBird> well... everything seems to be up and working... except for the wireless, but that's always been a pain in the butt to get working...
[03:24] <gnomefreak> killall i thought was a bad way to restart things example : killall gnome-panel will restart them
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> NightBird: what card?
[03:25] <TiaGo|SouZa> is there anyone here who connects to the internet by dsl and installed gutsy by cd?
[03:25] <nalioth> gnomefreak: i wasn't trying to restart it
[03:25] <nalioth> gnomefreak: i succeeded at my aim.
[03:25] <gnomefreak> :)
[03:26] <gnomefreak> it shouldnt be running that high on anything
[03:26] <NightBird> nosrednaekim: some propriptary piece of crap that is finiky in windows as well
[03:26] <nalioth> ok, i restarted udevd, and it's playing nice (at under 2% CPU)
[03:26] <NightBird> I plan on replacing it sometime soon
[03:27] <NightBird> with something that either has open source drivers that work well, either reverse engineered or otherwise
[03:27] <gnomefreak> looking at top to see if anything goes that high for me
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> NightBird: could you be a bit more clear?that applies to just about every wireless card out there.
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[03:27] <NightBird> nosrednaekim: basically, this is a problem I've always struggled with when it comes to linux... even for windows it's problematic
[03:27] <gnomefreak> 1.7 for xorg is it
[03:28] <Xero> I'm going to upload my new blue theme to flickr in a minute. Tell me if you like it and I'll give you the emerald theme and awn theme.
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> of 800mhz...
[03:28] <gnomefreak> kind of makes me wonder why your much better proc is running everything so high
[03:28] <TiaGo|SouZa>  is there anyone here who connects to the internet by dsl and installed gutsy by cd?
[03:28] <gnomefreak> i turned it off it was killing me while trying to build some packages for PPA
[03:29] <gnomefreak> TiaGo|SouZa: yes
[03:29] <gnomefreak> TiaGo|SouZa: what is the issue?
[03:29] <TiaGo|SouZa> gnomefreak: did they introduced some GUI for configuring dsl?
[03:29] <gnomefreak> TiaGo|SouZa: no
[03:29] <gnomefreak> TiaGo|SouZa: autodetect on the desktopcd
[03:29] <TiaGo|SouZa> did u have to go to terminal, then sudo pppoeconf, etc?
[03:29] <gnomefreak> i think alternate is same way
[03:30] <gnomefreak> TiaGo|SouZa: no i dont need pppoe
[03:30] <jscinoz_> in /etc/modules can i specify module options aswell? i need "i8k" to load at boot with the option force=1
[03:30] <gnomefreak> atleast not that im aware of, gutsy cd install was normal, but what date was your ISO made?
[03:30] <TiaGo|SouZa> gnomefreak: hm, sorry, I was thinking in this case, that u have to configure the dsl connection trhough terminal, by sudo pppoeconf
[03:31] <TiaGo|SouZa> I upgraded through feisty
[03:31] <gnomefreak> TiaGo|SouZa: network-manager and the desktopcd was ablet o see my connection no config for any of it
[03:31] <TiaGo|SouZa> my network was already up
[03:31] <Xero> http://flickr.com/xero2007 just uploaded the theme.
[03:32] <TiaGo|SouZa> gnomefreak: hm, I wonder how it will be here, cause in feisty I'd have to configure my network connection through terminal
[03:33] <TiaGo|SouZa> gnomefreak: hope that gutsy solves it
[03:33] <TiaGo|SouZa> here I have to put a username and a password
[03:33] <gnomefreak> TiaGo|SouZa: gutsy's update-manager was overhauled
[03:33] <gnomefreak> it works 150% better and last update fixed 60+ bugs and only introduced 3 regressions :)
[03:34] <gnomefreak> better than feistys
[03:34] <jscinoz_> Whats the release date for gutsy?
[03:34] <gnomefreak> feistys n-m is not very good at its job
[03:34] <TiaGo|SouZa> gnomefreak: I've noticed
[03:34] <gnomefreak> jscinoz_: around the 18-19ish
[03:34] <jscinoz_> cheers
[03:34] <jscinoz_> also...
[03:35] <gnomefreak> TiaGo|SouZa: i so wanted a hand it that n-m fixes but i got bug duty on them instead
[03:35] <TiaGo|SouZa> gnomefreak: "gutsy's update-manager" - you mean "network manager" right?
[03:35] <jscinoz_> in /etc/modules can you specify module options aswell as names? eg "i8k force=1"?
[03:35] <gnomefreak> yes
[03:35] <gnomefreak> gutsys update-manager has a way to go before it works for the masses
[03:35] <TiaGo|SouZa> gnomefreak: hm, awesome!!! I was hoping that someday that would come!
[03:36] <jscinoz_> eep my lappy is running hot, 75C at load.
[03:36] <gnomefreak> TiaGo|SouZa: asac is making it right hes worked on it for over a month just to improve it than bug fixes just happened to come with improvments
[03:37] <TiaGo|SouZa> gnomefreak: you're making me confused, u're talking about "network manager" right again?!
[03:37] <TiaGo|SouZa> :p
[03:38] <gnomefreak> TiaGo|SouZa: its getting late sorry
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> Xero: sweet photos
[03:38] <Xero> nosrednaekim, thanks.
[03:38] <TiaGo|SouZa> gnomefreak: hueheuheuhe, np
[03:39] <nosrednaekim> Xero: though i'm not a big Gnome fan.
[03:39] <TiaGo|SouZa> gnomefreak: I agree with u when u say that "gutsys 'update-manager' has a way to go before it works for the masses"
[03:39] <TiaGo|SouZa> at least when it comes to dsl conections
[03:39] <Xero> nosrednaekim, I'm about to upload another one. I just cracked the Windows home theater's password.
[03:39] <Xero> I'm downloading movies off it.
[03:39] <Xero> The password was aaa ( i typed it in frustration)
[03:40] <ReL1K> how do i switch to the emerald theme?
[03:40] <TiaGo|SouZa> it's not fancy to go to terminal, type sudo pppoeconf and go through all those questiones
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> Xero: home theater?
[03:40] <MTecknology> alrighty... having issues with GL desktop - also tried aticonfig --initial and had massive errors... http://pastebin.ca/721210
[03:41] <Xero> nosrednaekim, yeah. We have a huge one downstairs.
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: use the restricted-manager
[03:41] <MTecknology> restart :D
[03:41] <MTecknology> thanks
[03:41] <Xero> I think it's a 50 inch widescreen plasma doomed to run as a monitor for Windows Media Center.
[03:42] <Toma-> !find audacity
[03:42] <ubotu> Found: audacity
[03:43] <Toma-> !info audacity
[03:43] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.3-1build1 (gutsy), package size 2321 kB, installed size 6832 kB
[03:43] <gnomefreak> whats the chances of anyone in here that had used envy on feisty than ugraded to gutsy that still has the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade?
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> To tell you the truth I think NightBird did
[03:44] <gnomefreak> those log files are needed as we are gonna try to have u-m fix everything for you so it doesnt fail on envy
[03:44] <gnomefreak> i was asked to get log files for this reason (they will go to bug report not me
[03:44] <NightBird> ?
[03:45] <NightBird> what did I do?
[03:45] <nosrednaekim> NightBird: don't you have nvidia?
[03:45] <gnomefreak> NightBird: did you upgrade to from feisty with envy to gutsy
[03:45] <NightBird> no, I have ati
[03:45] <r3m0t> my laptop fan turns off for about 15 seconds, then turns on for a few minutes. how to diagnose?
[03:46] <nosrednaekim> NightBird: sorry,I must have been thinking of someone else
[03:46] <NightBird> that's okay
[03:46] <ericrost> quick question on gutsy, is the cntrl+alt+f1 console supposed to be disabled, or do I have some sort of bug going on?
[03:46] <gunny> r3m0t: do a top and see if your cpu usage is causing it
[03:46] <ericrost> ie tty1-4
[03:46] <gnomefreak> f1 maybe running gdm so try f2
[03:46] <ericrost> nope, all black
[03:47] <gnomefreak> ah
[03:47] <ericrost> was working well before the dist-upgrade
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> they switch to f8 for gutsy I noticed..
[03:47] <nosrednaekim> for X
[03:47] <gnomefreak> ericrost: that happened with edgy to feisty upgrade too
[03:47] <SeveredCross> What's the plan on 2.6.23 and Gutsy?
[03:47] <SeveredCross> Yes/no?
[03:47] <gnomefreak> i cant remember what caused that
[03:47] <gnomefreak> SeveredCross: no
[03:47] <joules> hey guys so im pretty happy with gutsy but im wondering why my windows keep showing behind the menu bar?
[03:47] <RAOF> SeveredCross: No
[03:47] <gnomefreak> SeveredCross: 2.6.22
[03:47] <SeveredCross> Dang.
[03:48] <gnomefreak> they thought about it for a week and decided no it was too much to deal with
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> joules: menubar? do you mean title bar?
[03:48] <joules> nosrednaekim: sure
[03:49] <joules> nosrednaekim: i mean a desktop panel
[03:49] <MTecknology> MUCH better
[03:49] <crdlb> SeveredCross, it's not even out yet
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> joules: oh... the panel.
[03:49] <SeveredCross> I wasn't sure if it would be in time for Gutsy release.
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: working now?
[03:49] <MTecknology> pretty much
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: ATI?
[03:49] <MTecknology> now I need to figure out why the panel won't display unless i'm rotating or until I click on it
[03:49] <MTecknology> ya
[03:49] <MTecknology> ATI sucks.....
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: indeed
[03:50] <gnomefreak> nalioth: with a orig.tar.gz or the upstream tarball?
[03:50] <joules> nosrednaekim: yeah im using compiz... i thought it could have been that .. but idk .. they just show at the far top corner and i have to alt move to see the whole window
[03:50] <MTecknology> aside from that though it's pretty well working out of the box
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> joules: thats odd.
[03:50] <r3m0t> I don't think it's the CPU usage
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: its should be getting better soon though
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> joules: could you possibly post a screenshot?
[03:51] <nalioth> gnomefreak: with rastermans get_e.sh
[03:51] <joules> nosrednaekim: sure its pretty simple
[03:51] <nalioth> gnomefreak: assumedly, current cvs
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> thanks
[03:51] <gnomefreak> oh
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> gnomefreak: I found a deb repository for e17
[03:51] <MTecknology> nosrednaekim, with the improvements to 7.10 I've seen in this last week - i don't doubt that one bit
[03:51] <gnomefreak> nosrednaekim: where?
[03:52] <nalioth> nosrednaekim: is it current?
[03:52] <nalioth> gnomefreak: use the get_e.sh (i can assist you with it)
[03:52] <gnomefreak> nalioth: ive done it that way, im looking to package it for hardy
[03:52] <MTecknology> Is there any list of new features? - I'm getting sick of noticing them all the time - being surprised once in a while is nice - but all the time...
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: I'm talking ATI's act.... what type of ATI card do you have? because they released an awesomely improved driver
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> nalioth: compiled at least once a month I think.
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> nalioth: I lost it in the upgrade though... sorry
[03:52] <nalioth> gnomefreak: you DO like abuse, don't you?
[03:52] <gnomefreak> nalioth: yes
[03:52] <nalioth> nosrednaekim: read up  :)
[03:53] <ericrost> well, just dealt with the big problem with that, when gdm locks up I have no console to recover... funny thing, its kernel dependent, when I boot into 2.20.15 (I think thats the ver) I have a tty1,2, etc, under the newer kernel, I don't
[03:53] <ericrost> any thoughts to troubleshoot?
[03:53] <MTecknology> nosrednaekim, ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility X1400
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: mosty better stability and 10 times better performance
[03:53] <penguincentral> nalioth? do you need to ask that question here?
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: but tis only for newer cards (officially)
[03:53] <nalioth> penguincentral: abuse?  :)
[03:54] <NightBird> hm.... ndiswrapper isn't working right... as in, it's detecting the card, says the drivers are installed for it, but the card isn't showing up in the list of available wireless devices...
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> NightBird: did you modprobe ndiswrapper?
[03:54] <MTecknology> how can I reload when I change something in emerald-themes or ccsm w/o restarting X?
[03:54] <penguincentral> nalioth: yes, that...\
[03:55] <joules> nosrednaekim: http://ubuntuforums.org/g/images/331297/large/1_Screenshot.png here ya go
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> thanks
[03:55] <NightBird> nosrednaekim: earlier I did a scan of modules loaded, and it reported ndiswrapper as loaded...
[03:55] <joules> oh that was bad
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: for emerald, just run "emerald --replace"again.
[03:55] <MTecknology> nosrednaekim, thanks much for your help :D
[03:56] <nosrednaekim> NightBird: I may be wrong,but I think you have to modprobe again after adding a driver.
[03:56] <NightBird> nosrednaekim: I haven't added the driver recently... do I maybe have to readd it?
[03:56] <NightBird> since I did the update anyways
[03:57] <ericrost> oops, there's a bug filed already, I have to nix the vga= boot option for the moment.. sux because with a widescreen and nvidia, tty's are a bit garbled
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> well,if "ndiswrapper -l" shows it, you're good
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> joules: ah.. that problem.
[03:57] <nosrednaekim> joules: does that happen to all new windows?
[03:57] <joules> nosrednaekim: yup
[03:58] <joules> nosrednaekim:  sorry i got kicked out .. uhm actually it only happens to firefox ... even weirder
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> joules: ah... press f11 in firefox twice.
[03:59] <Xero> penguincentral, is the subdomain still working?
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> and it will fix it
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> at least for that window ;)
[03:59] <Xero> I just cracked my stepdads home theater PC. Loads of music and movies. Actually over a TB of movies. The password, amazingly, was "aaa".
[03:59] <nosrednaekim> !ot
[03:59] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[03:59] <joules> nosrednaekim: yeah... boo because if i launch a new one it doesnt work
[04:00] <penguincentral> Xero: yeah, the subdomain works, but up until now net2ftp wasn't working
[04:00] <penguincentral> Xero: aaa? that is funny
[04:00] <Xero> Ok lets take this to pm since we're ot.
[04:00] <penguincentral> yeah
[04:00] <NightBird> ok... it's saying "bcmwl5a: driver installed.\n\tdevice present (alternative driver: bcm43xx)"  I've already blacklisted the alternative driver(doesn't work.  won't let me do a wireless scan, and I can't connect to the network even when I tell it the data it needs)
[04:00] <nosrednaekim> joules: maybe you have to set a window specific setting
[04:00] <penguincentral> Xero: you message me
[04:01] <joules> nosrednaekim: yeah... i guess i wonder where tho
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> joules: well, in compiz settings manager
[04:01] <NightBird> n/m, it appears to be back now
[04:01] <nosrednaekim> but how I don't know;)
[04:02] <joules> nosrednaekim:  its pretty weird it happens with firefox thunderbird but not amarok or pidgin.. then again it might because pidgin and amarok have software defined size
[04:02] <joules> nosrednaekim:  oh well ill work on this tomorro wthianks!
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> joules: I think you can define firefox size in the settings manager
[04:03] <usser> hello
[04:04] <usser> did anyone have this i get no borders in openoffice with compiz turned on
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> hello usser
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> usser: but borders in everything else?
[04:04] <usser> nosrednaekim: hows it going
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> how about a titlebar?
[04:04] <usser> nosrednaekim: yea
[04:04] <usser> nosrednaekim: no titlebar in openoffice
[04:05] <usser> nosrednaekim: all gtk and kde apps have borders except for openoffice
[04:05] <MTecknology> so compiz was easy to get running - now it's time for my stylus
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: good LUCK ;)
[04:06] <usser> is there an openoffice channel
[04:07] <usser> somebody use kde here?
[04:07] <Xero> I use QT apps. Close enough?
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> usser: yup.
[04:07] <crdlb> usser, try a different decorator
[04:07] <usser> crdlb: yea im gonna try emerald right now
[04:07] <usser> nosrednaekim: did u have any trouble with kdmtheme?
[04:08] <MTecknology> nosrednaekim, ya - it sucks to do - I don't foresee this being a Just Works thing anytime
[04:08] <crdlb> kde-window-decorator has some weird bugs
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> kdmtheme?
[04:08] <jscinoz_> in /etc/modules can i specify module options aswell? i need "i8k" to load at boot with the option force=1
[04:08] <usser> nosrednaekim: you know customized login window )
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: yalp... stylus and wirless.. fun
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> usser: I dont use it
[04:08] <usser> nosrednaekim: oh ok
[04:09] <MTecknology> nosrednaekim, wireless always works perfect when I install from the Live CD, never from alternative
[04:10] <AncientRelic> I just upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy on my test box, and I can't get desktop effects to work
[04:10] <contrast83> usser: I forget exactly what I had to do to enable theming of KDM
[04:11] <contrast83> usser: Did you read what it told you to when you opened kdmtheme?
[04:11] <MTecknology> time to restart X again ... I might wanna start using irssi soon :)
[04:11] <penguincentral> Xero: are you getting my pm's?
[04:12] <contrast83> usser: You're getting this message - "Override files found, so this theming will not have effect. Please see /usr/share/doc/kdm/README.Debian for more information", right?
[04:12] <Xero> penguincentral, No.
[04:12] <Xero> penguincentral, you need to identify.
[04:13] <usser> contrast83: i never opened it from console, i dont change my themes all that often so i ended up overwriting the kubuntu default theme with the one i wanted and it worked
[04:13] <penguincentral> Xero: great, i have to do it all over again.  Let me try on MSN
[04:13] <MTecknology> nosrednaekim, It's all working... now - since you seem so smart. Do you know any way to do something like this?  xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 2"
[04:13] <contrast83> usser: Oh ok. Well, your custom theme is gonna get overwritten whenever there's an update to kubuntu-default-settings
[04:13] <MTecknology> nosrednaekim, the right click on my stylus is registered as a button 3 click
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: any way to do that? you just put that right on the command line and hit enter :)
[04:15] <MTecknology> nosrednaekim, It won't let me put in a number twice
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> say again?
[04:16] <MTecknology> 1 2 2
[04:16] <usser> contrast83: oh yea i found that one folder kubuntu-default-settings, do u have any reading i could look in to?
[04:16] <penguincentral> Xero: log into your MSN
[04:16] <MTecknology> try that command
[04:16] <usser> contrast83: messed with it made kdm fully unusable
[04:16] <usser> contrast83: had to purge it
[04:16] <Xero> I'm logged in.
[04:16] <Xero> I just added you, too.
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: me try that?no way :)
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> who knows what it would do to me
[04:17] <Xero> lol wtf omg haha
[04:19] <mikubuntu> my system all screwed up since i did sys update today of 80 or so files, screen split, two cursors showing, tec...
[04:19] <MTecknology> nosrednaekim, k... well, the numbers go from 1 to 9... xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9" a number can't be repeated... if I set it to 1 2 3, then the right on my touchpad works, if I set it to 1 3 2, then the right click on my stylus works... it's just b/c the right click from my stylus is registered as a middle click. Since I don't use middle click - it would be nice to bind the right and middle click event to the right click event
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> oh....hmmm
[04:20] <contrast83> usser: reading that'll tell you how to properly theme KDM?
[04:20] <MTecknology> I've searched long hours for the answer and never found it
[04:20] <nosrednaekim> hmm
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: #xorg :)
[04:21] <nalioth> where have they hidden the startup files for the different desktops? they used to be in /usr/share/xsessions/
[04:22] <mikubuntu> must be some genius in here that can help me with this prob?  i have heard a couple of others with similar probs today, but their fixes din't work for me
[04:23] <nosrednaekim> mikubuntu: try another update... maybe its fixed by now
[04:25] <MTecknology> When is vmware server going to be available in the repos?
[04:26] <AmyRose> MTecknology: I don't know but I prefer VirtualBox over VMware Server
[04:27] <MTecknology> AmyRose, I'm not the biggest fan - but it's integrated into our work place too much already
[04:27] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: as soon as gutsy is stable, they'll add it to the commercail repo
[04:28] <MTecknology> I'm to blame for that - we have a lot of windows systems involved
[04:28] <MTecknology> nosrednaekim, I can wait then :)
[04:29] <StarScream> hey guys, is anyone here running the gutsy ppc port ?
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> bye all! its getting late..
[04:29] <MTecknology> nosrednaekim, thanks :)
[04:29] <StarScream> just wanna know if the beta is bootable on PPC
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> yalp...no problem
[04:30] <jscinoz_> in /etc/modules can i specify module options aswell? i need "i8k" to load at boot with the option force=1
[04:31] <RAOF> Yes
[04:32] <StarScream> jscinoz_: can you add it to /etc/modules ?
[04:34] <mikubuntu> ya, tried that; but will try again nosrednaekim
[04:34] <jscinoz_> Starscream yes, but the module wont load without the parameter force=1
[04:34] <jscinoz_> starscream, can that param be specified in etc modules?
[04:34] <RAOF> jscinoz_: Yes.
[04:35] <jscinoz_> so the line "i8k force=1" is sufficient?
[04:35] <RAOF> Yes, should be.
[04:42] <jscinoz_> Is the program Camorama ever going to be updated to support V4L2
[04:43] <|neon|> have a question about gutsy and crossover , after installing crossover i do  not get any menus have anyone try crossover on gutsy and if so did it work, thx
[04:48] <pavan> i am stuck with gutsy install.. can someone here help??
[04:49] <|neon|> pavan: what do you mean by stuck? what exactly is happening
[04:50] <pavan> i was able to get to the liveCD env using the Safe graphical env.. now i am installing it with ubiquity.. i was able to do everything like partition and stuff..
[04:50] <pavan> it then suggested i am ready for install.. then i click install..
[04:51] <pavan> all i am seeing is a dialog with "Installing system".. with the progress bar @ 8%.. stuck.. and the message below says "scanning disks".. but i see not disk activity..
[04:51] <pavan> neon - did you get what i was saying??
[04:51] <|neon|> pavan: yes
[04:52] <usser> pavan: do u have access to the internet? try alternate install in text mode
[04:53] <pavan> i am looking @ the processes in my system monitor.. and a process spawned by ubiquity called partman-commit which spawned 35dump process.. which according to sys mon. . cannot be killed..
[04:53] <|neon|> also you use safe graphics cause you have what type of video card, the reason i askk is becasue my 7600 gt was having issues while my 8800 gts was not go figure
[04:53] <pavan> i am in safe graph mode already..
[04:54] <pavan> not sure if i can kill ubiquity
[04:54] <Jordan_U> pavan, Why not?
[04:55] <pavan> would it mess with my partitions badly??
[04:57] <pavan> ok.. i killed it.. let me restart the install
[05:00] <martalli|mane> I can't seem to get strigi to start working
[05:01] <martalli|mane> It idles...if I try to start indexing, it stops almost immediately
[05:08] <mikubuntu> anybody here yet that knows how to fix this split screen issue?
[05:18] <Marfi> hey hey...i upgraded to gutsy, and my application bar at the top will not open anything else...anyone have any ideas?
[05:19] <Marfi> when i click it, it won't open anything
[05:19] <Amaranth> Marfi: rm -rf ~/.config/menus
[05:20] <Marfi> how do i get to terminal from there?  =)
[05:21] <Marfi> ok, added the applet to taskbar, and ran it from terminal...didn't happen
[05:22] <Hobbsee> switch to a VT
[05:23] <Marfi> Amaranth, now theres nothing. is there an easy way to get the things back there?
[05:24] <Amaranth> Marfi: Doing what I said should have reset the menu to the system default
[05:24] <Marfi> Amaranth, all the entries are now gone. let me reboot, and see what happens
[05:27] <Marfi> didn't work, all of the applications are empty
[05:28] <Marfi> when i click it, it shows up a small empty rectangle
[05:31] <Amaranth> Marfi: sudo apt-get --reinstall install gnome-menus
[05:34] <Marfi> *tries it*
[05:35] <jscinoz_> does gnome-screensaver support pam?
[05:36] <RAOF>  Yes.
[05:37] <RAOF> ls /etc/pam.d/
[05:37] <jscinoz_> RAOF, since /etc/pam.d/gnome-screensaver states it includes common-auth, if i have my fingerprint reader set up in common-auth and it works with gdm and gksu, should it be working with gnome-screensaver
[05:38] <RAOF> jscinoz_: Yes, it should.  However, it doesn't from what I've gathered from pwngwin.
[05:38] <RAOF> jscinoz_: He's working on it, I believe.
[05:39] <jscinoz_> >_<
[05:39] <jscinoz_> any ideas about the problem with having a fingerprint reader set up breaking gksu
[05:39] <jscinoz_> there is a fix, but its not exactly the cleanest of methods
[05:39] <RAOF> No.  I'd like to have a fingerprint reader, though.  I'll work on it if you send me a lappy with one :)
[05:40] <extra> Hi.  I upgraded to gutsy and now my graphics are messed up
[05:41] <extra> dell 1420 (came with feisty), has an intel 965.. I would have thought it would just work, since it's an open driver, but it's reverting to vesa
[05:41] <extra> I can't find any comparable problem on the forums or google
[05:43] <os2mac> I am having a problem with my power management software. When ever I switch between wall power and battery power I get a black screen with errors that refer to USB bus problems.
[05:43] <os2mac> Can anyone help?
[05:45] <extra> os2mac: I would, but that's way over my level
[05:45] <extra> sounds advanced
[05:47] <extra> os2mac: do you have stuff plugged into the usb when it happens
[05:47] <extra> ?
[05:48] <os2mac> extra: no
[05:49] <extra> black screen... are there other messages on the screen too? unrelated to USB?
[05:50] <extra> sounds like X is dieing and it's actually dropping back to the terminal, with all the boot up messages that are still there from start up
[05:50] <extra> chances are your problem has nothing to do with USB, if I'm right
[05:51] <extra> sounds like your computer is trying to go into sleep mode when you pull the plug, and linux has some sleep mode problems on some laptops.  Does your battery suck?
[05:54] <extra> my intel 965 graphics driver isn't loading after upgrading to gutsy.  Defaulting to vesa.  Not sure if it's an xorg.conf issue or something else.  Anyone know what stuff I can uninstall and reinstall to get it back up?  I already tried a reinstall of the 695 drivers in synaptic, to no avail.
[05:57] <os2mac> extra: that could be... but I am unable to log it. and when I reboot the machine I have difficulty bringing certain applications back online.
[06:02] <extra> os2mac: like what?
[06:03] <os2mac> network manager, kwallet
[06:04] <extra> is network manager broken? or does it come back on sometimes?
[06:05] <jscinoz_> In what file can i find a list of all alsa models for snd-hda-intel, i've used it before but forgot where it was
[06:07] <jscinoz_> nevermind  found it
[06:10] <os2mac> no it always comes back on eventually it just takes a while
[06:11] <os2mac> Where are the power/ACPI settings?
[06:12] <Jamesinator> How do I (from a terminal) update from Feisty 7.04 Server to Gutsy 7.10 Server Beta?
[06:13] <extra> os2mac: preferences --> power management
[06:14] <os2mac> I am using KDE
[06:14] <extra> mmm... should be on that kde configuration thingy.. couldn't tell ya
[06:23] <^Ocean^> okay, Just upgraded yoo gutsby,   My console is getting flooded with [   98.860000]  device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table
[06:23] <^Ocean^> [   98.864000]  device-mapper: table: 254:2: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed
[06:23] <^Ocean^> what gives ?
[06:32] <rabbitnightmare> ok I think this is distro unspecific but I would like to format a harddisk to ext3 it is a ntfs volume so I can backup my info
[06:33] <extra> rabbitnightmare: say again?
[06:34] <rabbitnightmare> i hooked up a 30 gig hdd and it is ntfs in origin I use another distro and planning on moving to ubuntu I would like to change it to ext3 so I can write to it
[06:34] <rabbitnightmare> back ups and all
[06:35] <rabbitnightmare> it is a harddisk that contained win2k sp1 from an old machine i had years ago
[06:35] <rabbitnightmare> i jus wanna know how to format in linux
[06:36] <extra> rabbitnightmare: do you need to save anything from the ntfs partition or are you just wanting to format it?
[06:36] <rabbitnightmare> nah just a full format the computer is long dead
[06:36] <extra> well, what distro are you using?
[06:36] <rabbitnightmare> lightning is not good for your computers ;)
[06:37] <rabbitnightmare> pclinuxos
[06:37] <extra> that's debian based, right?
[06:37] <rabbitnightmare> rpm
[06:37] <extra> ah.. second
[06:37] <rabbitnightmare> i know spare the flogging i jus want out
[06:37] <rabbitnightmare> :-P
[06:37] <rabbitnightmare> i shudda used ubuntu to begin with
[06:37] <extra> try typing qtparted in a terminal
[06:38] <rabbitnightmare> nothing appropriate
[06:38] <extra> hm
[06:38] <extra> try parted
[06:38] <rabbitnightmare> same
[06:38] <rabbitnightmare> it has fdisk
[06:38] <rabbitnightmare> :-P
[06:39] <level1> how do I install japanese input support in gutsy?
[06:39] <^Ocean^> I can only seem too get gnome too run in Failsafe
[06:39] <extra> it really doesn't have parted?  open up your package manager, search for a "partition editor" or whatever
[06:40] <rabbitnightmare> ok
[06:40] <extra> ^Ocean^: what kinda computer?
[06:40] <^Ocean^> 32bit
[06:40] <rabbitnightmare> ya this distro is really not good at all it is missing mk2fs as well
[06:40] <extra> what kinda graphics?
[06:40] <^Ocean^> nvidia
[06:40] <rabbitnightmare> u need the non opensource drivers
[06:40] <extra> Ocean: did you do an upgrade or fresh install?
[06:41] <^Ocean^> upgraded from Feisty
[06:41] <extra> ^Ocean^: me too..  mine's going to failsafe too.. sucks
[06:41] <extra> I can't figure it out
[06:41] <^Ocean^> reinstalled the pripriatory driver too
[06:42] <extra> And I've got the gma 965 intel integrated graphics chip.  the graphics system just aint seeing anything but the vesa driver
[06:42] <rabbitnightmare> apt-get is so useful i went nuts trying to get it to work in this distro apt-get parted worked
[06:43] <rabbitnightmare> ok i ran parted
[06:43] <extra> rabbitnightmare: parted is a little confusing
[06:43] <rabbitnightmare> parted /dev/hdd1
[06:43] <rabbitnightmare> got that far :P
[06:44] <extra> type mkpart and see if it dialogues you through everything
[06:44] <extra> just make sure you choose the right part
[06:44] <rabbitnightmare> cant have a partition outside disk
[06:45] <extra> ok, first type print
[06:45] <extra> then type mkpart
[06:45] <rabbitnightmare> same
[06:45] <extra> use the table.. eh?  um, open parted in superuser?
[06:45] <rabbitnightmare> as root ya
[06:46] <extra> when does it say that?
[06:46] <extra> when you type print?
[06:46] <DanaG> Oh yeah, is there any easy way to say "Virtualbox always goes on Desktop 4, Centered, On Top ?
[06:46] <rabbitnightmare> great the disk isnt mounted i dont think
[06:46] <extra> shouldn't have to be
[06:46] <DanaG> Orange... Orange... Orange... BLUE?
[06:46] <rabbitnightmare> ok its mounted now :P sorry
[06:46] <extra> some partition editors wont allow them to be mounted to edit them
[06:47] <extra> k, try again
[06:47] <rabbitnightmare> o i have to umount
[06:47] <rabbitnightmare> k
[06:47] <extra> Hi DanaG
[06:48] <jscinoz_> Hey guys, can one of you try something for me: see if you can install the package "vegastrike-music" via synaptic, it returns an invalid checksum for me.
[06:48] <extra> jscinoz_: how bout throught apt-get?
[06:49] <extra> jscinoz_: you're not some rogue dev who planted a virus in that package, are you?
[06:49] <jscinoz_> no
[06:49] <DanaG> What?
[06:49] <jscinoz_> go for it through apt-get
[06:49] <jscinoz_> its in the official repos.
[06:50] <jscinoz_> and it returns invalid checksum for me, whether i use apt-get, aptitude, synaptic
[06:50] <extra> some how I don't believe you, but...
[06:51] <extra> 60 megs?
[06:51] <jscinoz_> is tiny.
[06:51] <extra> jesus, jscinoz_
[06:51] <jscinoz_> 2mins download
[06:51] <jscinoz_> adsl2+ ftw
[06:51] <extra> whats ftw?
[06:51] <jscinoz_> for the win
[06:51] <rabbitnightmare> owned
[06:51] <rabbitnightmare> the best
[06:51] <extra> I kept thinking "fuck the world"
[06:51] <jscinoz_> :P
[06:51] <rabbitnightmare> HAHAHAHA
[06:52] <rabbitnightmare> wow you can cus in here how nice
[06:52] <extra> every time I saw it
[06:52] <jscinoz_> Its never dull in #ubuntu+1 :P
[06:52] <jscinoz_> well now you know :P
[06:52] <extra> jscinoz_: I don't make a habit of it
[06:52] <rabbitnightmare> gawd i love the ubuntu community more and more
[06:52] <extra> I was quoting, btw
[06:52] <rabbitnightmare> this could be habbit forming
[06:52] <jscinoz_> Needs moar *buntu!
[06:52] <extra> it's frowned upon here
[06:53] <Tomcat_`> !ohmy
[06:53] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:53] <Tomcat_`> ;)
[06:53] <extra> ma' bad
[06:53] <rabbitnightmare> people here seem normal and nondramatic and all just my type you helped me out without asking for anything in return
[06:53] <jscinoz_> argh
[06:53] <jscinoz_> Maybe its just the iinet mirror of the official repos...
[06:53] <extra> I did context it with quotations
[06:53] <rabbitnightmare> as soon as i get this stuff backed up i think i found a home distro
[06:54] <jscinoz_> sheesh avant-window-navigator loves to crash
[06:54] <extra> jscinoz_: it's installing now
[06:54] <jscinoz_> worked for you?
[06:54] <jscinoz_> i get (excuse lack of pastebin): W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/v/vegastrike-music/vegastrike-music_0.4.3-1_all.deb
[06:54] <jscinoz_>   Hash Sum mismatch
[06:54] <rabbitnightmare> hey how nifty it comes with a partition editor
[06:54] <extra> jscinoz_: yea, it workd
[06:54] <jscinoz_> hmm
[06:55] <rabbitnightmare> like of the graphical sort
[06:55] <jscinoz_> probably just my isp's mirror thats borked
[06:55] <jscinoz_> the message you get when you start gparted without root is awesome
[06:55] <jscinoz_> "Since gparted may be a weapon of mass destruction..."
[06:56] <rabbitnightmare> now why didnt you tell me parted had a front end :-P
[06:56] <jscinoz_> :P
[06:56] <extra> hmm, never seen that one
[06:56] <extra> heh
[06:56] <rabbitnightmare> wow my disk just made a funny grinding noise
[06:56] <extra> qtparted
[06:56] <extra> thought pclinuxos was kde
[06:56] <rabbitnightmare> thunderstorms are no good for ur hardware
[06:56] <level1> I can't boot gutsy without fglrx... i tried vesa and ati
[06:56] <jscinoz_> gparted is the one that comes with ubuntu
[06:56] <rabbitnightmare> it is i have qt packages installed
[06:57] <extra> oh, then you should have installed qtparted
[06:57] <level1> fglrx makes me cry, and if I can't fix it i'll just use debian which worked... feisty did not work
[06:57] <rabbitnightmare> and aptget got the front end for me
[06:57] <rabbitnightmare> how nice
[06:57] <jscinoz_> Didn't ATI opensource their 3d-driver recently
[06:57] <rabbitnightmare> not yet
[06:57] <jscinoz_> called RadeonHD or something
[06:57] <jscinoz_> oh
[06:57] <extra> jscinoz_: yea, but it's not ready
[06:57] <level1> jscinoz_: they plan to
[06:57] <rabbitnightmare> they will
[06:57] <jscinoz_> wish nvidia would o the same
[06:57] <rabbitnightmare> amd is amazing
[06:57] <jscinoz_> but the nvidia driver is miles ahead of ati anyways
[06:57] <rabbitnightmare> and lose all that money from ms for not
[06:58] <extra> I heard novel is working on it a lot right now
[06:58] <jscinoz_> or fglrx atleast
[06:58] <rabbitnightmare> dell is really pushing it
[06:58] <extra> well, the released the specs, which is all we asked for
[06:58] <jscinoz_> argh i cant even manually install vegastrike-music from the deb
[06:59] <level1> anyway, I'm looking for a solution now, something that won't overheat my gpu and prevent me from suspending and hibernating
[06:59] <rabbitnightmare> does ubuntu come with reiserfs support by default?
[06:59] <extra> jscinoz_: pull it from ubuntu's servers
[06:59] <jscinoz_> extra, yep doing that now
[06:59] <jscinoz_> extra, i prefer to use my ISP's one though, using it doesnt count towards my tiny bandwidth limit of 60gb
[06:59] <extra> rabbitnightmare: yea
[07:00] <jscinoz_> Australia fails for internet
[07:00] <extra> jscinoz_: in the US?
[07:00] <extra> oh
[07:00] <rabbitnightmare> reiserfs is still the best filesystem right or am I mistaken?
[07:00] <jscinoz_> brb
[07:01] <extra> rabbitnightmare: being that hans reiser has been convicted felony, there's a dark cloud over reiserfs's future
[07:01] <rabbitnightmare> i know sad day
[07:01] <rabbitnightmare> :(
[07:01] <rabbitnightmare> since the beginning i always used reiserfs
[07:01] <extra> if you have thousands of small files, reiser is good, but ext3 is good enough
[07:01] <extra> XFS is what we want
[07:01] <osmosis> how come gutsy didnt turn on compiz by default on my laptop ?
[07:01] <extra> er, I mean ZFS, maybe
[07:02] <extra> sun's ff
[07:02] <extra> fs
[07:02] <extra> osmosis: upgrade or fresh install? what card?
[07:02] <osmosis> the only thing I hate about ext3 is I seem to get fsck's at startup.
[07:02] <osmosis> resier doesnt give me those nasty wait times.
[07:03] <extra> osmosis: should only be every thirty startups
[07:03] <rabbitnightmare> reiserfs since the dawn of linux has been the fastest filesystem i have used to date
[07:03] <osmosis> extra: yah...reiser doesnt do that.
[07:03] <osmosis> extra: fresh install....dell inspiron 1420...intel card I think.
[07:03] <Tomcat_`> If you feel adventurous, try XFS ;)
[07:03] <Tomcat_`> Should be even better.
[07:04] <rabbitnightmare> idk i jus heard a nasty grinding noise in the platters running a block check
[07:04] <extra> osmosis: hah.. me too.. exact same problem.. I'm here asking around about it too. no responses yet
[07:04] <rabbitnightmare> but how stable is xfs?
[07:04] <osmosis> extra: yah...i mean, its the one that comes with ubuntu. should work..
[07:04] <osmosis> extra: but atleast im not the only one.
[07:04] <extra> Tomcat_`: is there an XFS version for linux?
[07:04] <rabbitnightmare> XFS is a filesystem supported by slackware as fas as I know of
[07:04] <osmosis> extra: Intel GM956/GL960 IGC
[07:05] <extra> osmosis: did you upgrade from feisty?
[07:05] <Tomcat_`> extra: Sure. :o
[07:05] <osmosis> extra: you look on the forums.
[07:05] <rabbitnightmare> i member seeing it years back when i first tried linux
[07:05] <osmosis> extra: nope, fresh install.
[07:05] <extra> Tomcat_`: isn't that sun's fs? with patents?
[07:05] <Tomcat_`> rabbitnightmare: Developed by Sun... I dug into the details for a seminar.
[07:05] <extra> osmosis: shit, good thing I didn't try a fresh install
[07:05] <rabbitnightmare> nice
[07:05] <Tomcat_`> No idea about the patents... technologically, it's fantastic. :)
[07:05] <rabbitnightmare> how stable is XFS
[07:05] <extra> er, scuse the language
[07:06] <extra> Tomcat_`: Yea, I heard linus wants it on linux, but there's patent issues with sun
[07:06] <Tomcat_`> rabbitnightmare: I read it's not the best. I'm sticking with ext3 for its reliability. :)
[07:06] <osmosis> extra: i tried running the new fresh screen and graphics manager, and it just trashes my video config.
[07:06] <extra> sun wants to use it as a bonus for solaris users
[07:06] <osmosis> extra: I install gutsy beta on my MacBook and it worked with compiz by default. :)
[07:06] <rabbitnightmare> too bad for reiserfs tho so sad
[07:07] <rabbitnightmare> hope he gets out soon and continues work on it
[07:07] <osmosis> Tomcat_`: rabbitnightmare:  reiserfs is just as reliable as ext3.
[07:07] <extra> osmosis: same here.. the graphics manager only sees the vesa driver
[07:07] <osmosis> extra: yah...is there a fix for that? I just did another fresh reinstall and dont touch that now.
[07:08] <rabbitnightmare> well time for this rabbit with really big teeth to goto bed its 1 am here lol
[07:08] <rabbitnightmare> laterz all
[07:08] <osmosis> ZFS is awesome. Ive use it on netapps, kicks ass. Too bad sun is hogging it.
[07:08] <extra> osmosis: so it works now that you haven't touched the utility?
[07:08] <osmosis> extra: not compiz...but my normal video does in the correct res.
[07:08] <level1> are there any xorg.conf options that I might need to play with to get ati to work? or an alternative to fglrx besides ati?  vesa doesn't seem to work either
[07:09] <osmosis> extra: you would think dell would have someone on top of these bugs.
[07:09] <alex_L> Anyone heard this error from a belkin USB wireless key?  SIOCSIFADDR: No such device
[07:10] <osmosis> extra: i think i tried an earlier gutsy, and compiz did work though.
[07:10] <extra> level1: not sure about gutsy, but the propriety driver need xgl, whereas the open driver defaults to aiglx, iirc
[07:10] <level1> extra: I'm not sure if you understand... I want to run any driver besides fglrx, but none of them will boot, X just crashes
[07:10] <extra> osmosis: you'd think dell would be working with ubuntu in the dev process, to insure this doesn't happen from the start
[07:11] <level1> extra: if I don't have 3d stuff thats just fine
[07:12] <extra> level1: completely uninstall fglrx, reinstall the open driver, run that Xconfig utility.. ?
[07:12] <level1> extra: the open driver didn't work from the start, even the liveCD wouldn't boot
[07:13] <extra> level1: what card are you using?
[07:13] <level1> mobility radeon X1400
[07:13] <extra> mm.. that's on the threshold.. don't remember if that one is supported by the open driver
[07:13] <extra> (like, even 2d)
[07:14] <RAOF> extra: 2d goes all the way up, I think.
[07:14] <alex_L> Anyone heard of a usb wireless card locking up a entire system before?
[07:14] <alex_L> like... no Mouse nor any ctrl alt backspace??
[07:14] <n4nobit> alex_L: I have seen it. Some of those are poorly built hardware.
[07:14] <level1> extra: the open driver doesn't even try, it looks on a whitelist of recongized cards, doesn't find my card, and decides not to try
[07:14] <extra> alex_L: it's possible.. not common though.
[07:15] <level1> extra: I really just want to tell the driver "fscking try it anyway you little fsck!"
[07:16] <extra> level1: have you tried the x-config tool? that one that sets up an xorg.conf file for you? (while the open driver is installed and available)
[07:16] <extra> alex_L: have you googled that dongle for linux/ubuntu?
[07:17] <alex_L> yeah, I had it running for the last 9 months on ubuntu
[07:17] <alex_L> but it locks me up now???
[07:17] <extra> alex_L: now that you upgraded?
[07:17] <alex_L> err. on a new gutsy install. it worked out of the box
[07:17] <level1> extra: how do I invoke x-config?
[07:17] <alex_L> and then stopped working
[07:18] <extra> alex_L: do you have another ubuntu box to try it on?
[07:18] <extra> anyone remember the terminal based x config utility?
[07:18] <osmosis> extra: what to chime in on this too for more votes..  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/131646
[07:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131646 in xorg "Can't select correct resolution (1280x800) Gutsy Tribe 4" [Undecided,New] 
[07:18] <level1> extra: are you talking about dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?
[07:19] <extra> osmosis: my res is fine though.. I think...
[07:19] <extra> maybe not.. looks fine though
[07:19] <rico> hey guys. anyone encountered a problem wherein pressing Ctrl+alt+F1 gives you distorted video (and makes your system stuck)? 7.10 gutsy with intel video.
[07:19] <osmosis> extra: even if you run the Screens and Graphics applet ?
[07:19] <level1> There is either no video hardware installed on this machine (e.g. serial console only), or the "discover" program was   unable to determine which X server is appropriate for the video hardware.  This could be due to incomplete information  in discover's hardware database, or because your video hardware is not supported by the available X servers.
[07:19] <extra> level1: maybe.. does that one allow you to choose the res and keyboard and all that?
[07:20] <level1> extra: yeah, that error message is what I get when I run it
[07:20] <alex_L> yeah its in my lappy as I speak. no locking up. but it doesn't work without drivers (feisty)
[07:21] <extra> osmosis: yea, I think.. the applet doesn't really do anything at all
[07:21] <osmosis> extra: chime in on this then.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/147519
[07:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147519 in ubuntu "GM965/GL960 dell inspiron 1420, gutsy beta compiz doesnt work" [Undecided,New] 
[07:22] <extra> level1: could  there be something wrong with the hardware? any other distros work fine?
[07:22] <extra> alex_L: so it locks up another box? not the lappy you're on?
[07:22] <extra> rico: your compiz working?
[07:23] <rico> extra: yep. working great.
[07:23] <rico> :)
[07:23] <level1> extra: debian is able to run vesa... it was not able to run ati, and I never tried fglrx (would rather die)
[07:23] <alex_L> Hey RICO try turning a few options off in compiz settings.. um.. can't remember exactly but turn off 'auto refresh rate' and um... 'sync to VBlanc'
[07:24] <alex_L> yes
[07:24] <rico> just that suspend doesn't, or switching with ctr+alt+f1, and ctrl+alt+bksp...
[07:24] <level1> extra: I love vesa so much, I swear to god its the best driver ever
[07:24] <rico> ooh.. will do.
[07:24] <alex_L> it doesn't lock up the lapp, but does my desktop
[07:24] <alex_L> See above RICO
[07:24] <alex_L> do you get funny colors and stuff?
[07:24] <level1> extra: the Xorg.0.log says: (EE) No devices detected.
[07:24] <level1> extra: when I run ati
[07:25] <extra> level1: pretty stable
[07:25] <rico> alex: yep. weird disroted blocks of color..
[07:25] <rico> alex: will try your fix. :)
[07:25] <level1> extra: stable?
[07:25] <extra> alex_L: does it work without the driver on the lappy?
[07:25] <alex_L> it worked for me. I couldn't swap users, turned them off. All good!
[07:25] <alex_L> nope
[07:26] <alex_L> iwconfig wlan0 scan turns up nothing
[07:26] <extra> level1: the vesa driver, stable.. just catching up
[07:26] <rico> alex_L, nope. crashed my X. ;)
[07:26] <level1> extra: what does it have to catch up to?  it runs so nicely, its perfec
[07:26] <rico> still weird blocks color.
[07:26] <alex_L> oops
[07:26] <rico> "detect refresh rate" and "sync to vblank" are off.
[07:27] <extra> alex_L: maybe try installing the drivers on the lappy, see if it's stable? matter of elimination
[07:27] <alex_L> yeah ok I will. cheers
[07:27] <osmosis> extra: https://launchpad.net/~inspiron1420
[07:27] <extra> level1: :) I had to catch up with the messages in the room :)
[07:34] <level1> okay, somehow vesa started working, not sure how, but now the screen resolution's off and I still can't suspend... god I hate this computer
[07:35] <MTecknology> this is fun... When I log in to my compiz enabled desktop the panel doesn't appear until I click the mouse but also shows when I'm rotating even if I haven't clicked yet
[07:38] <extra> level1: is this a fresh install of gutsy?
[07:38] <level1> yeah, from the livecd
[07:39] <extra> so you've just been tweaking the system on the ramdisk, to see what'll work?
[07:42] <level1> extra: what do you mean? its an installed version
[07:42] <extra> ah, thought you meant you were running /from/ the cd
[07:42] <level1> extra: no, installed from the livecd
[07:43] <extra> so, even from the livecd, the ati driver didn't start up?
[07:45] <MTecknology> How can I make it so not every folder under Places is listed?
[07:45] <MTecknology> I like some of them - but I rarely use most
[07:48] <extra> MTecknology: can't find it.. probably some way through that gnome registry thing.. sounds like a job for google.. look for: gnome tweak ui
[07:48] <extra> or something like that
[07:48] <extra> gnome configuration manager, I think the registry thing is called
[07:48] <nurettin> hello i have got dns server problem in resolv.conf  i am editing resolv.conf, when i restarted take old value.
[07:49] <extra> nurettin: how are you editing it?
[07:50] <nurettin> sudo vi /etc/resolv.conf
[07:51] <extra> so, it's wiped when you restart the system?
[07:51] <nurettin> yes
[07:51] <Daemonik> How would one go about using this cursor theme http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Neutral+Plus?content=48837 with Xubuntu?
[07:52] <MTecknology> extra, it's gconf-editor... now I need to figure out where that is :S
[07:52] <nurettin> extra: when restarted taken 192.168.1.1 but i want 127.0.0.1
[07:52] <MTecknology> i mean where the settings i want are at in there
[07:53] <extra> MTecknology: I never use that thing :/
[07:54] <MTecknology> extra, I can't seem to find them in there - maybe in a week or so - after i get some sleep
[07:54] <MTecknology> thanks
[07:54] <MTecknology> ttyal - nap time
[07:54] <extra> nurettin: you want to use 127.0.0.1 as the nameserver?
[07:55] <extra> or resolve a name to 127.0.0.1 ?
[07:58] <compwiz18> I'm trying to setup bluetooth in gnome and the bluetooth applet in the sys tray sees my phone, but when I press Connect it dies with the message "Check if the service is available."  Any suggestions?
[07:59] <Xemanth^> i upgraded and now now kdm package failed to install :D
[07:59] <Xemanth^> kubuntu gutsy
[07:59] <extra> nurettin: is network-manager running?
[07:59] <Xemanth^> is it normal that on beta stage this kinds of stuff happens
[07:59] <extra> Xemanth^: fun :)
[08:01] <extra> compwiz18: what does 'hciconfig up' tell you?
[08:02] <extra> (when ran in a terminal)
[08:02] <compwiz18> hci0:   Type: USB
[08:02] <compwiz18>         BD Address: 11:11:11:11:11:11 ACL MTU: 672:3 SCO MTU: 48:1
[08:02] <compwiz18>         UP RUNNING PSCAN ISCAN
[08:02] <compwiz18>         RX bytes:10649858 acl:20 sco:208788 events:70 errors:0
[08:02] <compwiz18>         TX bytes:884 acl:22 sco:0 commands:36 errors:0
[08:02] <compwiz18> (sorry for not using the pastebin :()
[08:02] <compwiz18> I know it works cause it works on my other gutsy laptop perfectly
[08:04] <nurettin> extra: what is network-manager _?
[08:04] <nurettin> extra: how can i control this ?
[08:05] <extra> 'apropos bluetooth' is showing me a bunch of deamons. i'd type that, then check running processes for those deamons.. ensure one of them is running.. I don't know anything about bluetooth though
[08:05] <nurettin> extra: nm-applet 0.6.5 running
[08:05] <compwiz18> I don't know anything about bluetooth either, which is my problem... :)
[08:06] <extra> nurettin: it autoconfigs all network stuff.  Not very good imo, if you need to do advanced stuff.  there's probably an alternative to resolv.conf though.. what are you trying to do?
[08:06] <nurettin> i want use my dns server.
[08:07] <compwiz18> nurettin: try finding the dhcpd conf file and add the prepend nameservers line  I think it's somewhere in /etc/...
[08:08] <compwiz18> %sudo vim /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf
[08:08] <extra> compwiz18: where do you find the bt applet?
[08:08] <compwiz18> extra, when I plug in my dongle it pops up in the systray
[08:08] <compwiz18> Bluetooth Applet 0.14
[08:09] <nurettin> compwiz18: #prepend domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;
[08:09] <nurettin> am i delete # ?
[08:09] <compwiz18> yeah
[08:09] <compwiz18> iirc
[08:10] <compwiz18> speaking of which I need to setup my dns server too
[08:10] <compwiz18> after bt works
[08:11] <nurettin> compwiz18: i am restarting my computer
[08:11] <nurettin> okay ?
[08:11] <compwiz18> yeah
[08:11] <compwiz18> I think if you run dhclient that would do it too
[08:11] <extra> yea, just type dhclient
[08:12] <extra> compwiz18: yea, I see it now.. it's in preferences.. gonna try linking my phone up
[08:13] <compwiz18> whats really annoying though is that I click connect, the phone vibrates, and the "would you like to bond" message pops up for like 1/2 a second then goes away
[08:14] <compwiz18> so I can _see_ it but it won't connect
[08:14] <compwiz18> btw extra you may have to install gnome-vfs-obexftp
[08:14] <compwiz18> its in universe, but its required, but its not a depend...
[08:14] <compwiz18> theres a bug report for that...
[08:20] <extra> hmm.. installed that package.. still don't see the phone
[08:20] <extra> it's a samsung blackjack
[08:20] <extra> (windows mobile 5.0)
[08:20] <compwiz18> you have to set it to visible or discoverable or something
[08:23] <Crozar> please somebody help me
[08:23] <extra> no
[08:23] <extra> ;)
[08:25] <extra> compwiz18: do you discover from your phone or from the computer?
[08:25] <compwiz18> the phone
[08:25] <Crozar> its very important , maybe im the most sufficated person in the earth for this matter , i dont want to format and get back to feisty because this problem didnt only occur to me on gusty but happened same thing for edgy
[08:25] <compwiz18> extra: mine has a button titled "Find me"
[08:26] <extra> Crozar: what's up?
[08:26] <extra> compwiz18: my crap is crap
[08:26] <compwiz18> lol :D
[08:26] <compwiz18> mine works on the old lappy but not on the new one
[08:26] <compwiz18> :S
[08:27] <compwiz18> Gutsy hates me today I think
[08:27] <Crozar> extra:  this is an internet problem ( i couldnt connect to any websites ) but [ i can ping stuff ]  but when trying to connect to websites it says connecting then suddenly unable to connect.
[08:27] <extra> Crozar: so, you can get on irc, but not internet?
[08:27] <Cebulinux--> guys is it safe to upgrade to gutsy using CD?
[08:27] <Crozar> extra: i have the study of my network ( i went through network tools i did all the wizard and copied it to a .txt file but i cant go to !pastbin site same problem :( so if u can PM me il send u the whole thing theyr
[08:28] <rabbitnightmare> if i copy all of my music to another harddrive as root will I be able to get to it in another distrobution?
[08:28] <extra> are you using a proxy? have you altered your proxy settings in firefox?
[08:28] <Crozar> extra:  i cant beleive im in IRC i left it open while i was doign trace route and netstat and suddenly i see my IRC glowing
[08:28] <compwiz18> Crozar, can you connect to DNS servers?
[08:28] <Crozar> extra:  with feisty i havent expirienced any of these proiblems
[08:29] <Crozar> extra:  good thing i had my Xchat irc =D
[08:29] <extra> rabbitnightmare: I think you can at least take ownership, using the root account at least, id think
[08:29] <Crozar> compwiz18: yes i can connect to my router
[08:29] <rabbitnightmare> ty extra
[08:29] <compwiz18> Crozar, whats in your /etc/resolv.conf?
[08:29] <frostburn> how long does it normally take for trackerd to index everything
[08:30] <Crozar> what do i type in terminal because  u guys put the dir directly i have to type sudo gedit /etc...
[08:30] <Crozar> or is theyr another way
[08:30] <Crozar> nameserver 192.168.1.1
[08:30] <rabbitnightmare> is it possible to chown an entire directory?
[08:30] <Crozar> compwiz18: nameserver 192.168.1.1
[08:30] <cellojoe> chown -r?
[08:30] <compwiz18> rabbitnightmare, chown -r bob:bob directory/
[08:31] <rabbitnightmare> awesome never understood chown for the life of me
[08:31] <cellojoe> capital r
[08:31] <cellojoe> chown -R
[08:31] <rabbitnightmare> ty so much
[08:31] <compwiz18> Crozar, what does dig google.com give you?
[08:31] <cellojoe> chown --help for more info
[08:31] <Crozar> compwiz18: where do i type that
[08:31] <compwiz18> Crozar, open a terminal
[08:31] <compwiz18> and type in
[08:31] <compwiz18> dig google.com
[08:31] <extra> Crozar: do nslookup google.com
[08:32] <extra> er, or that
[08:32] <compwiz18> lol
[08:32] <compwiz18> either way
[08:32] <extra> mm, dig is better :)
[08:33] <Crozar> sorry coz i cant go to paste bin :( il pm you extra
[08:33] <extra> crozar: no need
[08:33] <extra> do any ip addresses come up?
[08:33] <Crozar> Server:         192.168.1.1
[08:33] <Crozar> Address:        192.168.1.1#53
[08:33] <Crozar> Non-authoritative answer:
[08:33] <Crozar> Name:   google.com
[08:33] <Crozar> Address: 64.233.167.99
[08:33] <Crozar> Name:   google.com
[08:33] <Crozar> Address: 72.14.207.99
[08:33] <Crozar> Name:   google.com
[08:33] <extra> thats good
[08:33] <Crozar> Address: 64.233.187.99
[08:33] <extra> yea, you're getting out
[08:33] <compwiz18> pick one and ping it
[08:34] <compwiz18> is firefox set up to use a proxy or something?
[08:34] <extra> sounds like a proxy thing
[08:34] <cellojoe> not to butt in, but Crozar, can you ping google.com?
[08:34] <Crozar> compwiz18: i did diggoogle.com something weird came out im afraid to paste it here then i get kicked i dont know if ill be able to come back
[08:34] <Crozar> i can ping google yes
[08:34] <Crozar> im in IRC lol
[08:34] <compwiz18> lol Crozar don't worry about it - the stuff that you pasted above is good enough :)
[08:34] <Crozar> =D
[08:35] <compwiz18> same results, different commands =D
[08:35] <extra> in firefox, go to edit --> preferences --> advanced --> connection settings
[08:35] <extra> check to see if you're using "direct connection" or not
[08:35] <Crozar> The connection has timed out
[08:35] <Crozar> 
[08:35] <Crozar> 
[08:35] <Crozar> 
[08:35] <Crozar> 
[08:35] <Crozar> 
[08:35] <Crozar> 
[08:35] <Crozar> 
[08:35] <Crozar> 
[08:35] <Crozar> The server at en-us.www.mozilla.com is taking too long to respond.
[08:35] <Crozar> thats firefox
[08:35] <cellojoe> it could also be in gnome-network-preferences (i think that's what it is)
[08:36] <extra> cellojoe: wouldn't that proxy all connections? not just firefox?
[08:36] <cellojoe> yes
[08:36] <extra> he's only having firefox problems.. and it's timing out very fast
[08:36] <cellojoe> but if it's set to an http proxy, you'd only see errors in firefox
[08:36] <compwiz18> I'm giving up on my bluetooth thing I think
[08:36] <Crozar> extra:  i think i have an internet problem !
[08:37] <compwiz18> Crozar, does Synaptic work?
[08:37] <Crozar> NO! :()
[08:37] <compwiz18> huh
[08:37] <compwiz18> ok...
[08:37] <extra> Crozar: did you check the proxy settings like I said? in firefox?
[08:37] <compwiz18> what does wget google.com get you?
[08:37] <cellojoe> i had a similar problem and discovered it was my isp's fault. that could be a possibility
[08:37] <Crozar> i have no proxy :) i use foxyproxy its disabled
[08:38] <extra> ok
[08:38] <Crozar> let me try konqueror thats my last try maybe
[08:38] <Crozar> WEIRD
[08:38] <Crozar> working
[08:38] <compwiz18> lol
[08:38] <Crozar> whatttttt
[08:38] <Crozar> and now firefox works
[08:38] <Crozar> what the hell
[08:38] <compwiz18> random problem
[08:38] <cellojoe> lol
[08:38] <extra> I fixed it!
[08:38] <extra> :)
[08:38] <Crozar> what did we do?
[08:38] <compwiz18> :D
[08:39] <Crozar> what did we do :(
[08:39] <extra> hecks if I know :)
[08:39] <compwiz18> sounds like it just stopped working and then started working again
[08:39] <compwiz18> :S
[08:40] <Crozar> extra:  i had feisty but people said with toshiba satelite edgy will work better so i installed it got same problem had to restart more then 10 times trying and trying u know what  only 1 time it worked then all the time same bad problem :( i had then to go back to feisty but im afriad of gusty now if this bug is like the edgy version i dont want to be waiting for the network to be happy for me lo
[08:40] <cellojoe> can someone tell me that my data is safe if i follow PriceChild's instructions and 'apt-get update|upgrade|dist-upgrade' in a chroot environment?
[08:40] <Crozar> will work better i mean faster and good for laptop
[08:41] <Crozar> extra compwiz18 : WAIT A MINUTE!!!!
[08:41] <alka_trash> I just upgraded to Gutsy and I can say that it looks better than the old feisty
[08:41] <extra> cellojoe: Never heard of PriceChild, but I wouldn't recommend it ;)
[08:41] <Crozar> now synaptic doesnt work and firefox
[08:41] <cellojoe> PriceChild is a mod on the forums, and frequents #ubuntuforums
[08:42] <cellojoe> alka_trash: "old feisty"? it's not _that_ old :P
[08:42] <Crozar> only konqurer works but firefox acts weird same problem connecting then it ust doesnt work
[08:42] <cellojoe> thanks Crozar, now konqueror isn't workin
[08:42] <extra> cellojoe: why does PriceChild advise doing it in a chrooted environment?
[08:43] <Crozar> :( what?!
[08:43] <alka_trash> cellojoe: I'm just being mouthy, but it does look LOOK better
[08:43] <cellojoe> extra: if you can't get into gutsy normally, do it from a live cd , then chroot
[08:43] <Hobbsee> cellojoe: no, that's if you break your system, so it wont boot.
[08:43] <cellojoe> Crozar: now my konqueror isn't workin
[08:43] <extra> cellojoe: oh, if your install borks?
[08:44] <cellojoe> s/isn\'t/wasn\t/
[08:44] <Crozar> cellojoe: my konqueror works and all the others just dont work except pinging things
[08:44] <cellojoe> extra: yeah
[08:44] <riotkittie> wow. i've been online for 43 minutes. this may set a record, in terms of my wireless connection's stability under gutsy.
[08:44] <extra> crozar: have you checked the gnome proxy settings?
[08:44] <Crozar> extra:  it hink i know something!!! , firefox and synaptic and the rest of ubuntu is connected into a weird method whicsh that file must be fixed but konqurer has its own lib;s maybe and own method thats why it works and irc maybe had an alternative thing that made me in
[08:44] <riotkittie> i have probably just jinxed myself. <waits for the lag to start>
[08:44] <Hobbsee> cellojoe: assuming you dont remove your data, or anything else while you chroot in, yes, it's safe.
[08:45] <Hobbsee> cellojoe: but if you tell rm -rf mydata*, then it will remove it, as always
[08:45] <Hobbsee> cellojoe: it's like having a root shell with it
[08:45] <Crozar> extra: how?
[08:45] <extra> crozar: on kubuntu?
[08:45] <Crozar> UbuntU
[08:46] <cellojoe> Hobbsee: so it'd be similar to just doing 'su' in a terminal?
[08:46] <cellojoe> that is, if you could get into gutsy
[08:46] <extra> Crozar: System --> Preferences --> Network Proxy
[08:46] <Hobbsee> cellojoe: or, sudo -s/sudo -i, yes.
[08:46] <Crozar> its on direct internet connection extra
[08:46] <cellojoe> so why not just 'sudo -i'?
[08:47] <Crozar> on advanced configuration i see => localhost , 127.0.0.0/8 , *.local
[08:47] <extra> Hey, who knows how to do something like: telnet google.com 80
[08:47] <extra> then something like a GET
[08:47] <Hobbsee> cellojoe: because if you cant boot your system, and get to a virtual terminal, you cant login, therefore you cant sudo -i.
[08:47] <extra> ?
[08:48] <Crozar> extra: its on direction connection , and next tab , on advanced configuration i see => localhost , 127.0.0.0/8 , *.local
[08:48] <extra> Crozar: that's fine, dont change that
[08:48] <compwiz18> Crozar, what happens if you do wget google.com in a terminal?
[08:48] <RAdams> what does "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place" mean, and why do I see it whenever I install/uninstall/upgrade with apt now?
[08:48] <cellojoe> extra: this may not be what you're after, but the 'lynx' app does that for me :)
[08:49] <cellojoe> Hobbsee: ah. thank you.
[08:49] <Hobbsee> cellojoe: :)
[08:49] <Hobbsee> cellojoe: it's a last resort - a way that you can access yoru system when everything else has failed.
[08:49] <Crozar> compwiz18:  nothing happenes
[08:49] <extra> cellojoe: hah
[08:49] <Crozar> compwiz18: Resolving google.com... 1.0.0.0
[08:50] <Crozar> Connecting to google.com|1.0.0.0|:80...
[08:50] <compwiz18> ok...
[08:50] <compwiz18> wait
[08:50] <compwiz18> why does it say google is 1.0.0.0?
[08:50] <extra> yea, that's no good
[08:50] <compwiz18> that's the problem
[08:50] <compwiz18> right there
[08:50] <extra> hosts file?
[08:50] <Crozar> loooooooooool :(
[08:50] <compwiz18> DNS problem
[08:50] <compwiz18> yeah
[08:50] <Crozar> and why konquerer works and im in IRC lo
[08:50] <compwiz18> whats /etc/hosts look like?
[08:50] <extra> cat /etc/hosts | less
[08:51] <Crozar> 127.0.0.1 localhost
[08:51] <Crozar> 127.0.1.1 coze-laptop
[08:51] <Crozar> # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
[08:51] <Crozar> ::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback
[08:51] <Crozar> fe00::0 ip6-localnet
[08:51] <Crozar> ff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix
[08:51] <Crozar> ff02::1 ip6-allnodes
[08:51] <Crozar> ff02::2 ip6-allrouters
[08:51] <Crozar> ff02::3 ip6-allhosts
[08:52] <sin1> anyone know what directory the default theme icons are in?
[08:52] <extra> hmm
[08:52] <compwiz18> sin1, /usr/share/icons?
[08:53] <compwiz18> Crozar, do gksudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf
[08:53] <sin1> awn is using the trash icon from mist instead of using the os x theme I nstalled over it.
[08:53] <cellojoe_> woops.i'd tell you the line that killed irssi, but it'd kill irssi
[08:53] <Crozar> nameserver 192.168.1.1
[08:54] <compwiz18> Crozar, change that line to nameserver 208.67.220.220
[08:54] <cellojoe> opendns ftw
[08:54] <compwiz18> and add a line below it that says 208.67.222.222
[08:54] <compwiz18> sorry
[08:54] <compwiz18> nameserver 208.67.222.222
[08:54] <sin1> yep, that's it! thankx compwiz!
[08:54] <compwiz18> (the sad part is I've memorized those.. :S)
[08:54] <compwiz18> np sin1
[08:54] <cellojoe> likewise...
[08:54] <extra> can never remember their first two octets :)
[08:55] <Crozar> compwiz18: saved
[08:55] <compwiz18> ok
[08:55] <cellojoe> now if i could just memorize a google ip
[08:55] <compwiz18> Crozar, reload firefox
[08:55] <Crozar> should i refresh or something before testing?
[08:55] <compwiz18> exit it and open it again
[08:55] <extra> borked nm-applet?
[08:55] <compwiz18> then give it another try
[08:55] <compwiz18> lol there is no such thing as an unborked nm-applet xD
[08:55] <Crozar> compwiz18: WOoooooooooooooooooOOHooooooooooooooo
[08:55] <Crozar> compwiz18: WowoWOowowoWOowow ( give me ubuntu Forum site )!!! this bug must be reported for edgy aswel
[08:56] <compwiz18> it might be a bug with your router
[08:56] <cellojoe> what's the bug?
[08:56] <cellojoe> and you'd goto launchpad
[08:56] <compwiz18> Crozar, is that on a desktop or a laptop?
[08:56] <Crozar> compwiz18: thanksssssssssss!!!!! forth and south west east and also before north hits the star
[08:56] <cellojoe> laptop bugs don't count
[08:56] <Crozar> compwiz18: laptop .
[08:56] <compwiz18> do you move it around much?
[08:56] <extra> Crozar: do you have the network-manager applet at the top right of your screen? (or whereever)
[08:57] <Crozar> yes
[08:57] <compwiz18> I usually make my resolv.conf immutable to stop things screwing aroudn with it... but if you need to change the addresses then that doesn't help much :S
[08:57] <Crozar> extra:  u know what , i have it on my top right because i uninstalled windows from my laptop used my 40gb for linux MWhahA..
[08:58] <Crozar> compwiz18: but it was nameserver 192.168.1.1 thats myr outer what ips was that u gave me?
[08:58] <compwiz18> Crozar, those are the opendns ips
[08:58] <cellojoe> compwiz18: how do you make your resolve.conf immutable?
[08:58] <compwiz18> http://www.opendns.com/
[08:58] <Crozar> compwiz18: for waht country lo
[08:58] <compwiz18> sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
[08:58] <compwiz18> then
[08:58] <extra> oh, yea.. that was his routter
[08:58] <compwiz18> sudo chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf
[08:58] <compwiz18> undoes it
[08:58] <cellojoe> hm
[08:58] <extra> hmm. maybe someones been messing with the router
[08:59] <cellojoe> Crozar: in the world of internetz, there are no countries
[08:59] <nanonyme> why not just make automatic scripts update /etc/resolv.conf properly? :P
[08:59] <Crozar> k
[08:59] <compwiz18> yeah I think the router is funky
[08:59] <cellojoe> Crozar: except china
[08:59] <compwiz18> lol
[08:59] <Crozar> =p
[08:59] <nanonyme> i usually tend to do that
[08:59] <compwiz18> conicidentally
[08:59] <Crozar> my router is funky yes
[08:59] <compwiz18> that's where I am
[08:59] <cellojoe> well, china and the rest of the world
[08:59] <compwiz18> :D
[08:59] <Crozar> compwiz18: actually this is a 6 years old router im buying netgear soon
[08:59] <compwiz18> opendns doesn't work in china...
[08:59] <compwiz18> its sad
[09:00] <extra> what ya doing in china?
[09:00] <cellojoe> aww, compwiz18 can't view google.com/search?q=freedom w/o getting arrested?
[09:00] <Crozar> compwiz18: i nearly lost hope 2 days ago i thought of making feisty all my life with laptop and use gusty and hardy for PC
[09:00] <compwiz18> lol
[09:00] <cellojoe> that last comment may not have been PC, sry guys
[09:01] <compwiz18> I've got foxyproxy and tor set up so that I can get around
[09:01] <cellojoe> !wtf celloje
[09:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wtf celloje - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:01] <Crozar> compwiz18: how come konqurer works? it has a new mathod of going through tunnel bypassing linux walls?
[09:01] <compwiz18> Crozar, I have no idea why it works...
[09:01] <extra> compwiz18: will his nm mess up his resolv.conf again?
[09:01] <compwiz18> extra, probably next time he runs dhclient...
[09:01] <Crozar> extra:  whats NM? so ?>?
[09:02] <compwiz18> however
[09:02] <Crozar> compwiz18: whats that? what do u mean
[09:02] <Crozar> il try restarting and see if it works
[09:02] <compwiz18> don't worry about it, let's see if we can fix it
[09:02] <compwiz18> DONT do that yet
[09:02] <extra> he could set up manual settings in nm
[09:02] <Crozar> k
[09:02] <compwiz18> can you
[09:02] <Crozar> phew...
[09:02] <compwiz18> ?
[09:02] <compwiz18> I got rid of nm
[09:02] <extra> that's what I used to do
[09:02] <Crozar> il stay yes
[09:02] <riotkittie> 61 minutes. :o  what happened? why is my wireless suddenly not a flaming death trap?
[09:02] <compwiz18> first thing I did this morning after installing gutsy
[09:02] <compwiz18> :S
[09:03] <Crozar> compwiz18: so i dont restart? lets wait?
[09:03] <compwiz18> yeah
[09:03] <compwiz18> if you restart
[09:03] <compwiz18> you'll lose all the settings we just got working
[09:03] <compwiz18> I think
[09:03] <cellojoe> Crozar: you could use the chattr +i to keep your resolv.conf from changing
[09:03] <Crozar> compwiz18: u just gave me dns
[09:03] <Crozar> compwiz18: it was to type it here right gksudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf
[09:03] <riotkittie> i should remove nm but i've grown quite fond of watching it freeze. :D
[09:03] <extra> yea, nm sucks.. but the manual config works if he never changes ip
[09:03] <compwiz18> Crozar, but when you reconnect to the network, it will overwrite /etc/resolv.conf
[09:03] <compwiz18> well
[09:04] <cellojoe> anyone tried wicd?
[09:04] <compwiz18> heh
[09:04] <Crozar> compwiz18: btw im not using roaming mode im using dhcp
[09:04] <compwiz18> I'm the creator of wicd :P
[09:04] <extra> i heard wicd was good.. never tried it
[09:04] <riotkittie> i was going to try wicd. i actually meant to install it earlier.
[09:04] <extra> compwiz18+
[09:04] <Crozar> compwiz18: sorry im using roaming mode
[09:04] <riotkittie> but i got wrapped up in important things. like eating cake. and lobbing profanities at my wireless adapter.
[09:05] <cellojoe> i tried it, but it messed up my connections
[09:05] <Crozar> in network settings in DNS i see the ips u gave me ils ave them in a note pad
[09:05] <compwiz18> riotkittie, what wireless adapter do you have?
[09:05] <compwiz18> Crozar, save them somewhere else
[09:05] <riotkittie> compwiz18: it's a dlink dwl g122
[09:05] <compwiz18> then if you reboot and it doesn't work, you can pop them back in and connect
[09:05] <compwiz18> riotkittie, I'll stay away from that one then :D
[09:05] <extra> sudo mv /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.back
[09:06] <extra> er.. I mean..
[09:06] <extra> s/mv/cp
[09:06] <riotkittie> compwiz18: you probably wouldnt have issues with it. i, on the other hand, am very much the stupid :P
[09:07] <compwiz18> lol I spend hours setting wireless adapters up :D
[09:07] <extra> Crozar: sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.back
[09:07] <riotkittie> i've been screwing with this since august 10th. :|
[09:08] <cellojoe> when i have wireless problems, i use my wrt54g as a client bridge :)
[09:08] <cellojoe> wireless problems gone
[09:08] <extra> Crozar: then, when it borks, do a sudo mv /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf
[09:08] <riotkittie> when i have wireless problems, i drink. a lot. :|
[09:08] <extra> maybe with an -f
[09:08] <cellojoe> riotkittie: then all problems = gone
[09:08] <riotkittie> i havent been sober in the last seven weeks :P
[09:08] <Crozar> extra: what does cp mean and when u typed mv aswell
[09:09] <extra> cp means copy
[09:09] <extra> mv means move
[09:09] <cellojoe> i thought mv was make vino
[09:09] <extra> sometimes, if you just want to change the name of the file, do a mv
[09:09] <nanonyme> man cp, man mv :P
[09:10] <nanonyme> get accustomed to trying man on all commands you don't at first get, it usually explains quite a bit...
[09:10] <cellojoe> s'a big different if you forget to /ignore joins parts quits
[09:10] <riotkittie> make vino, drink vino, deplete vino, make vino... ahh, endless loops :|
[09:10] <nanonyme> \o/
[09:10] <extra> so, don't do mv.. do cp.. that way you'll always have a resolv.conf and a resolv.conf.back .. just cp from resolv.conf.back to resolv.conf whenever it borks
[09:11] <Crozar> extra:  my synaptic update got me a msg Not all updates can be installed  - run a partial upgrade , to install as many updates as possible
[09:11] <Crozar> extra:  ok i have nochoice just to pres spartial =p
[09:11] <compwiz18> ok
[09:11] <compwiz18> time to see if digital camera works
[09:11] <cellojoe> Crozar: mine did that too
[09:11] <nanonyme> then again, if you use /etc/network/interfaces to set up dns, /etc/resolv.conf should be set up properly
[09:11] <extra> it happens
[09:11] <cellojoe> and then the new window just hangs
[09:11] <compwiz18> sometimes running the update multiple times solves the problem
[09:12] <Crozar> compwiz18: could i restart?
[09:12] <compwiz18> yeah
[09:12] <extra> nanonyme: what do you do in interfaces?
[09:12] <compwiz18> as long as you have those addresses somewhere else
[09:12] <extra> Crozar: did you back up your resolv.conf?
[09:12] <Crozar> compwiz18: when i had feisty i installed compiz fusion manually 0.6 then now im updated to gusty but my compiz acts weird what should i do ? should i have removed it before?
[09:13] <compwiz18> I dunno
[09:13] <Crozar> extra:  you told me to type sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.back
[09:13] <cellojoe> has wicd made it to the repos?
[09:13] <Crozar>  mv /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf
[09:13] <RAOF> Crozar: Remove your existing compiz, remove the repository it came from, and reinstall compiz.
[09:13] <compwiz18> I am the lucky owner of an ATI card, which despises compiz to no end
[09:13] <RAOF> cellojoe: No, and it's not going to, for Gutsy, at least.
[09:13] <extra> Crozar: not exactly
[09:13] <compwiz18> cellojoe, nope its not in the repos
[09:13] <Crozar> so i must go and copy both files?
[09:13] <cellojoe> awww
[09:13] <Crozar> extra:  manually?
[09:13] <compwiz18> theres a deb tho
[09:14] <cellojoe> Crozar: we could make you a snazzy script to do it for you...
[09:14] <cellojoe> debs are nice
[09:14] <Crozar> RAOF: removing compiz how by typing apt-get autoremove compiz
[09:14] <cellojoe> you could put the deb in a repo so that users could add your repo to their sources.list
[09:14] <RAOF> Crozar: Removing compiz by running "sudo aptitude purge ~ncompiz ~nlibdecoration"
[09:14] <riotkittie> haha. sometimes, i realize just how fortunate people are to have the ubuntu community.
[09:14] <Crozar> cellojoe: what u mean
[09:14] <compwiz18> it is in a repo : http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php
[09:15] <cellojoe> Crozar: it'd be easy to make a script that would do those commands for you
[09:15] <Crozar> cellojoe: you guys did scripts?!!!
[09:15] <extra> Crozar: just make a copy of resolv.conf and paste in on your desktop.. if  things bork, copy those addresses back in there
[09:15] <cellojoe> so you could just run/double click it, and it would copy your resolve.conf.back to resolv.conf
[09:15] <Crozar> cellojoe: you mean u click them like icons and then just typing dir?
[09:16] <RAOF> Crozar: That will remove all the packages that match *compiz* and *libdecoration*
[09:16] <rothchild> Hi there, my compiz was working really well until last week and now when I hold the cursor over an icon (or anything else that shows additional info) it is
[09:16] <cellojoe> Crozar: i mean like just clicking an icon on the desktop and entering your p/w
[09:16] <rothchild> all blacked out
[09:16] <riotkittie> rothchild: try changing your theme?
[09:16] <cellojoe> whoa.... what's katapult?
[09:17] <compwiz18> app launcher
[09:17] <compwiz18> supposedly its pretty cool
[09:17] <Crozar> nice!! cellojoe
[09:17] <rothchild> this happens on both my i810 laptop and nvdia desktop both on different themes
[09:17] <Crozar> how is that
[09:17] <extra> test, who can tell Crozar how to make an executable .sh on his desktop, just by using the terminal...
[09:17] <extra> using cat
[09:17] <cellojoe>  ooo ooo ooo pick me!
[09:17] <nanonyme> lol
[09:18] <extra> the floor is open
[09:18] <Crozar> extra im in the  /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolveconf folder i cant see a resolv.conf.back
[09:18] <cellojoe> damn, i always get suckered into these things
[09:18] <nanonyme> that's a simple task, i'd just want to know why :P
[09:18] <rothchild> riotkittie just tried it seems to have worked, thank you! What's that all about then?
[09:18] <nanonyme> why can't he use a text editor like all sensible people?
[09:18] <cellojoe> line1: #/bin/bash
[09:18] <cellojoe> next?
[09:18] <compwiz18> sensible people use vim :P
[09:18] <cellojoe> surely i jest
[09:19] <riotkittie> rothchild: i have no clue. i just remember having seen someone mentioning your issue in a thread and someone else suggestion a theme change.
[09:19] <extra> heheh
[09:19] <nanonyme> cellojoe, sensible people use a text editor
[09:19] <nanonyme> i think nano would be the simplest one
[09:19] <compwiz18> gedit is good to but nano is good for the terminal
[09:19] <nanonyme> but yes, ed and vi are very very likely to exist
[09:19] <cellojoe> simplest? gedit
[09:19] <cellojoe> best? VI!
[09:19] <riotkittie> vi makes me cri :|
[09:19] <compwiz18> best is vim
[09:20] <Crozar> extra: i copied both files
[09:20] <nanonyme> riotkittie, tried ed?
[09:20] <cellojoe> vi and vi knockoffs
[09:20] <nanonyme> compared to ed, vi is bloat ;)
[09:20] <riotkittie> no. i am fail and fragile, and cling to pico like a frat boy clings to his last beer
[09:20] <riotkittie> errr nano
[09:20] <nanonyme> heh, i think pico was re-licensed
[09:21] <rothchild> interestingly though compiz won't use my metacity window borders?
[09:21] <extra> Crozar: which files?
[09:21] <Crozar> extra compwiz18 : thanks alot for fixing the internet , you think this bug must be posted for ubuntu~team?
[09:21] <nanonyme> rothchild, why should it?
[09:21] <Crozar> extra: resolv.conf and its backup
[09:23] <riotkittie> i cant believe my wireless hasnt died once in the last 80 minutes. the mind, it boggles.
[09:23] <cellojoe> is it really this easy? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39239/
[09:23] <Crozar> compwiz18: aaaaa :(:( :( doesnt work again sameproblem my resolv.conf is back to nameserver 192.168.1.1
[09:23] <extra> Crozar: ok, where did you copy them to?
[09:23] <Trewas> Crozar: sounds like bug 81057
[09:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 81057 in ubuntu "DNS Resolves everything to 1.0.0.0 intermittently on some ADSL Routers" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81057
[09:23] <compwiz18> Crozar, that will happen occasionally...
[09:23] <cellojoe> Crozar: there's your shnazzy script
[09:23] <Crozar> compwiz18: feisty didnt have that problem
[09:24] <compwiz18> I dunno
[09:25] <rothchild> because in gnome gl desktop settings I have the 'use metacity themes' option ticked 'cept it doesn't
[09:25] <Crozar> extra:  should i type th is  sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.back or this sudo  mv /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf  to have my dns updated
[09:25] <extra> Crozar: cp
[09:26] <cellojoe> Crozar: my script will copy your backup to your not-backup
[09:26] <extra> the backup file should have in it the DNS servers that compwiz18 gave you.. because the regular resolv.conf will get wiped occasionally
[09:26] <extra> oh, cellojoe made you a script
[09:26] <Crozar> Trewas: that bug wasnt in ubuntu feisty it was working great and i think feisty wasnt concerned with that kind of problem it had a method or i think it had no conflicts , but for edgy it had same problem and now also in gusty same problem its like gusty's approuch is from edgy but not from feisty
[09:27] <cellojoe> extra: i did. i did.
[09:27] <Crozar> extra: i think il need to copy a script for the desktop to double click :( but this is scary.
[09:27] <extra> Crozar: do cd ~/Desktop; gedit DNS_Fix.sh
[09:27] <Crozar> extra:  how to lock/stop changing of resolv.conf)
[09:28] <Amaranth> rothchild: You should not use gnome-compiz-preferences
[09:28] <cellojoe> extra: now i'm gonna figure out how to do something like $echo nameserver 208.67.222.222 \n nameserver 208.67.220.220 > /etc/resolv.conf
[09:28] <Crozar> extra:  what do i type in that file
[09:28] <rothchild> oh ok, where is the relevant option in ccsm or is there a .conf file?
[09:28] <extra> then paste in to gedit the text from pastebin, that cellojoe posted
[09:28] <Amaranth> rothchild: for that particular option you have to use gconf-editor
[09:28] <extra> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39239/
[09:28] <extra> from therre
[09:28] <extra> there
[09:29] <Amaranth> rothchild: I would reset your compiz and gtk-window-decorator settings back to default though
[09:29] <extra> then save it
[09:29] <rothchild> ok thanks, I'm new to gnome as I've been on kde for some time so I'm still finding my way around a bit
[09:29] <Crozar> extra:  id id
[09:30] <extra> however, insure that you have a file called resolv.conf.back in your /etc directory that has the correct opendns addresses that compwiz18 gave you.. that way that script will always replace the real resolv.conf with the right addresses
[09:30] <Crozar> extra:  i have the file in desktop but i cant double click it
[09:31] <Crozar> extra:  yes i checked it has
[09:31] <cellojoe> chmod _x
[09:31] <extra> oh yea... hmm.. gksudo?
[09:31] <extra> it's an admin command
[09:31] <extra> needs password
[09:32] <Crozar> extra: when i double click it just opens the .txt from inside
[09:32] <cellojoe> Crozar: sudo chmod +x DNS_Fix.sh
[09:32] <Crozar> cellojoe: where do i type that
[09:32] <cellojoe> in a terminal
[09:32] <cellojoe> oorrrr
[09:32] <extra> cellojoe: theres no sudo in that script
[09:32] <cellojoe> right click the file, properties
[09:32] <cellojoe> extra: yeah... sudo ./DNS_Fix.sh
[09:33] <cellojoe> Crozar: in the file properties, goto Permissions
[09:33] <cellojoe> Crozar: make the file executable (it's a check box toward the bottom)
[09:33] <Crozar> cellojoe: its checked
[09:33] <cellojoe> extra: oooooh. if you're just clicking it... yeaaah
[09:33] <cellojoe> needs a sudo eh
[09:33] <Crozar> cellojoe: its on read only both
[09:34] <Crozar> cellojoe: only first is on read and write
[09:34] <cellojoe> Crozar: edit the file and add    sudo    at the beginning of line 32
[09:34] <cellojoe> er, line 2
[09:34] <Crozar> cellojoe: i think open with must be in terminal
[09:34] <cellojoe> if you do it in a terminal, then just cd /to/the/right/folder and sudo ./DNS_Fix.sh
[09:35] <extra> gksudo
[09:35] <Crozar> cellojoe: i cant edit it
[09:35] <cellojoe> where'd you save it? you don't have the right permissions
[09:35] <extra> he used sudo gedit
[09:35] <cellojoe> oooh
[09:36] <extra> so, sudo gedit ./DNS_blah bhal
[09:36] <cellojoe> yeah
[09:36] <extra> add a gksudo to the beginning of the cp line
[09:36] <cellojoe> gksudo? or just sudo?
[09:36] <extra> gk.. brings up a pretty password dialogue when he clicks it
[09:37] <cellojoe> i think you could also change #/bin/bash to something that root uses, like /bin/root?
[09:37] <extra> nah
[09:37] <extra> don't think it's necessary
[09:37] <extra> Crozar: got gedit up in write mode yet?
[09:37] <Crozar> extra:  whats this im on headache peope giving me hard things
[09:38] <cellofellow> I think my install, from the Gutsy beta LiveCD, as frozen.
[09:38] <Crozar> extra: i deleted the desktop script lo
[09:38] <extra> cd ~/Desktop; sudo gedit ./DNS_Fix.sh
[09:38] <cellofellow> has rather than as :)
[09:38] <Crozar> extra:  ic an type things in it now
[09:38] <cellofellow> It formatted the partitions, and then it's just sitting there.
[09:38] <Crozar> extra: do i type #/bin/bash
[09:38] <Crozar> cp /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf
[09:39] <extra> that's fine, do the above command and it'll create a new .sh.. then paste in. yea, add a "gksudo" to the beginning of the second line
[09:39] <cellofellow> Crozar: the shebang on shell scripts is #!/bin/bash
[09:39] <Crozar> cellofellow: whast shebang :(
[09:39] <cellojoe> cellofellow: what's the @
[09:39] <cellojoe> er, !
[09:40] <extra> lets the shell know it's a shell script
[09:40] <extra> basically
[09:40] <Crozar> extra:  do it ype #/bin/bash
[09:40] <Crozar> cp /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf
[09:40] <Crozar> or #!/bin/bash
[09:40] <Crozar> cp /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf
[09:40] <cellofellow> I'm not sure what the ! does, but it's there for a reason. I think ! means "use this program" and the # means the program ignores it.
[09:40] <cellojoe> oh, i just did #/bin bash w/o the !
[09:40] <cellojoe> oh
[09:40] <extra> #!/bin/bash
[09:40] <Tommy> Hello, i just installed gutsy beta and did not install a boot loader. Can someone post their gutsy menu.lst entry so i can copy it please?
[09:41] <cellofellow> or #!/bin/sh or #!/bin/dash or such.
[09:41] <extra> cellojoe: worked for me with out the !
[09:41] <extra> Crozar: then
[09:41] <Crozar> extra:  then i see a lock file oontop of the file should i now type sudo chmod +x DNS_Fix.sh
[09:41] <extra> gksudo cp /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf
[09:42] <cellofellow> so, is there anything I can do since Ubiquity has hung? It just keeps on doing it.
[09:42] <extra> no.. type sudo chown <yourname>:<yourname> DNS_Fix.sh
[09:42] <extra> yourname being your username
[09:42] <cellofellow> chown yourname:yourgroup rather.
[09:43] <extra> true
[09:43] <extra> my group is the same as my name
[09:43] <cellojoe> don't worry guys, i'm working on a new script. ver 1.5
[09:43] <Crozar> You do not have the permissions necessary to save the file. Please check that you typed the location correctly and try again.
[09:43] <cellofellow> mine too, but it /can/ be different.
[09:44] <extra> cellofellow: I'm just a glorified newb here.. cut me some slack
[09:44] <Crozar> extra: invalid group
[09:44] <extra> heheh
[09:44] <extra> cellofellow: uuhuhh
[09:45] <Crozar> extra: chown: cannot access `DNS_Fix.sh': No such file or directory
[09:45] <extra> Crozar: try leaving out the group field
[09:45] <extra> put a ./ before it
[09:45] <cellojoe> the answer: #! /bin/sh -
[09:45] <cellojoe> Crozar: ignore my last
[09:45] <cellofellow> My hardware is relatively standard. AMD Turion X2, IDE hard drive, nVidia GeForce 6100 graphics.
[09:46] <Crozar> doesnt work
[09:46] <Crozar> id id #!
[09:46] <Crozar> lo
[09:46] <cellofellow> Heck, even the RealTek wireless works with the LiveCD.
[09:46] <extra> Crozar: do rm ./DNS_Fix.sh
[09:46] <extra> er, do sudo rm ./DNS_Fix.sh
[09:47] <Crozar> no such file
[09:47] <cellofellow> Debian Installer seems to work a little better than Ubiquity.
[09:47] <extra> Crozar: try my second line there
[09:47] <Crozar> extra: why cant i do a script i think im doing somehting wrong or not keeping up with the exact instuructions
[09:47] <symtab> hello
[09:47] <Crozar> #/bin/bash
[09:47] <Crozar> cp /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf
[09:47] <compwiz18> hello symtab
[09:47] <symtab> anyone having problems with restart in gutsy?
[09:48] <Crozar> extra: should i have #!/bin/bash
[09:48] <symtab> since the upgrade my box freezes when i try to restart my computer
[09:48] <symtab> from gnome
[09:48] <extra> Crozar: we'll get it right.. we want to delete that file and start over
[09:48] <symtab> not from the console
[09:48] <cellofellow> Crozar: very first line has the be the shebang, and then you put the rest of the script. After that, save it, make it executable, and run it normally.
[09:48] <extra> Crozar: cellojoe is making you the right script right now
[09:49] <Crozar> cellofellow: whats the line
[09:49] <extra> heh
[09:49] <cellojoe> cellofellow: :D
[09:49] <Crozar> shell scripts is #!/bin/bash
[09:49] <Tommy> Hello, i just installed gutsy beta and did not install a boot loader. Can someone post their gutsy menu.lst entry so i can copy it please?
[09:49] <cellofellow> Crozar: 'pends on whether you are using BASH or SH.
[09:49] <Crozar> cellofellow: im on ubuntu gusty lool :(
[09:49] <cellojoe> whooooaaaa
[09:49] <Crozar> im laughing with crying tears of hopelessness
[09:50] <cellofellow> Crozar: they've (slightly) different syntaxs and SH is faster than BASH. Oh, and both are included.
[09:50] <cellojoe> anyone using konqueror?
[09:50] <cellofellow> cellojoe: not since Edgy.
[09:50] <cellofellow> grumpymole: hey there!
[09:50] <Crozar> il go for faster
[09:50] <grumpymole> hey
[09:50] <extra> Crozar: sudo rm ~/Desktop/DNS*
[09:51] <extra> Crozar: did the script disappear?
[09:51] <cellojoe> re konqueror, i just found the link to letter feature. hold down Ctrl and a letter pops up above links. hit the letter, follow the link!
[09:51] <cellofellow> grumpymole: the Gutsy Beta LiveCD installer keeps freezing on me. Any clue why it might be? It does it right after it says it's formatting the partitions.
[09:51] <Crozar> yes
[09:51] <Crozar> deleted it
[09:51] <extra> Crozar: gedit ~/Desktop/DNS_Fix.sh
[09:52] <extra> Crozar: #!/bin/bash
[09:52] <extra> Crozar: gksudo cp /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf
[09:52] <Crozar> cd ~/Desktop; gedit DNS_Fix.sh  [09:52] <Crozar> cp /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf
[09:52] <Crozar>  [09:52] <extra> paste those last two lines into gedit
[09:53] <Tommy> Hello, i just installed gutsy beta and did not install a boot loader. Can someone post their gutsy menu.lst entry so i can copy it please?
[09:53] <extra> Crozar: then save gedit and close it
[09:54] <extra> Crozar: Did you paste that last line I wrote out? with the gksudo?
[09:54] <Crozar> gedit means what?
[09:54] <jmg> what glx should i use for i915?
[09:54] <compwiz18> gnome edit
[09:54] <Crozar> you mean text
[09:54] <cellofellow> Tommy: if GRUB isn't in the MBR, a menu.lst file isn't going to help. If when you boot you get an unhelpful 'grub>' prompt, then you need a menu.lst file. If it just keeps on doing what it normally does, say boot windows, it's not installed.
[09:54] <Crozar> k
[09:54] <jmg> is mesa not the right one?
[09:54] <Crozar> extra: i saved it
[09:54] <extra> Crozar: ok, now right click it, make it executable
[09:55] <jmg> cartel@manticore:~$ sudo glxinfo |grep direct
[09:55] <jmg> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)
[09:55] <Tommy> cellofellow: i have another distro installed and i didnt want to lose all the tweaks to its grub menu, i just want to add gutsy to my current menu.lst
[09:55] <jmg> !glx
[09:55] <jmg> :(
[09:55] <extra> Crozar: sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf.back
[09:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:55] <jmg> :(
[09:55] <extra> compwiz18: what were those addresses?
[09:55] <cellofellow> Tommy: shouldn't be too different.
[09:55] <compwiz18> 208.67.220.220
[09:55] <compwiz18> 208.67.222.222
[09:56] <cellofellow> Tommy: but I don't have Gutsy installed yet.
[09:56] <Crozar> extra:  i made it executable
[09:56] <Crozar> where should i type this sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf.back
[09:56] <Tommy> cellofellow: so i can use a ubuntu 7.04 entry as my gutsy entry?
[09:56] <Crozar> yes its theyr nameserver 208.67.220.220
[09:57] <Crozar> nameserver 208.67.222.222
[09:57] <cellofellow> Tommy: should work.
[09:57] <extra> Crozar: ok, so they're already in there? great.. then you're good to go.
[09:57] <cellofellow> Tommy: just change filenames, etc.
[09:57] <Crozar> extra: its been theyr since long time
[09:57] <extra> Crozar: what does cat /etc/resolv.conf say?
[09:57] <Crozar> extra: i wanted to have a script to double clcik and internet works again
[09:57] <Tommy> cellowfellow: and do you know what exact kernel the new gutsy beta uses,  like 2.6.22-xx ?
[09:58] <Crozar> 208.....
[09:58] <Crozar> extra: i want to lock it :(
[09:58] <RAdams> did the latest upgrade kill compiz-gnome for anyone else?
[09:58] <Crozar> extra: so i dont have to double click i might be downloading torrents now before i go to uni
[09:58] <RAdams> looks like an issue related to libwnck18 being removed and replaced by libwnck22...
[09:58] <cellofellow> Tommy: 2.6.22-12-generic
[09:58] <extra> Crozar: now you can click on the .sh script, click run, and it'll update it.
[09:59] <Tommy> great, thanks for the help
[09:59] <extra> compwiz18: hmm. can he lock it out from nm?
[09:59] <compwiz18> sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
[09:59] <Crozar> extra: can it lock on 208.67.222.....
[09:59] <compwiz18> that locsk it from _everything_
[09:59] <compwiz18> which is ok
[09:59] <compwiz18> as long as you don't need to change it..
[09:59] <Crozar> compwiz18:  :( it changes u said and yes it was working suddenyl it got back to 192.168.1.1
[10:00] <compwiz18> Crozar, do you take your computer anywhere that has a proxy server?
[10:00] <cellofellow> is GParted supposed to crash?
[10:00] <extra> Crozar: did you try that chattr command compwiz18 mentioned?
[10:00] <Crozar> no direct proxy
[10:00] <compwiz18> cellofellow, no ;)
[10:01] <Crozar> sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf
[10:01] <RAdams> cellofellow: let me guess: you're on gusty live cd and it crashes while scanning after partition changes?
[10:01] <cellofellow> well, I think I need to wait for Beta 2 or RC to actually get Gutsy installed then.
[10:01] <cellofellow> RAdams: yup.
[10:01] <compwiz18> lol
[10:01] <RAdams> cellofellow: happens here too
[10:01] <compwiz18> the livecd wouldn't even load for me
[10:01] <compwiz18> it thought that my ati card could run aiglx...
[10:01] <compwiz18> it all went downhill from there
[10:01] <_StefanS_> morning
[10:02] <extra> I did an upgrade and my intel gma 965 stopped working.. running on vesa now
[10:02] <cellofellow> I got AIGLX running in the LiveCD here.
[10:02] <compwiz18> yeah
[10:02] <compwiz18> but not with an ati card :D
[10:02] <cellofellow> And Compiz, just no rotating cube.
[10:02] <cellofellow> compwiz18: nope, nvidia.
[10:02] <slackern> compwiz18: which card do you have?
[10:02] <compwiz18> ati 200m
[10:02] <Crozar> compwiz18: i typeed sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf does this mean it will be locked?
[10:02] <_StefanS_> anyone know if the "no sound" issue on ICH9 has been reported?
[10:02] <compwiz18> Crozar, that's right
[10:03] <slackern> compwiz18: ahh i don't have any experience with those im afraid.
[10:03] <Crozar> compwiz18: il go now for about 6 hours i hope it is =)
[10:03] <compwiz18> trust me, I've tried
[10:03] <compwiz18> it only works with xgl
[10:03] <compwiz18> which is to buggy and slow to be useful
[10:03] <Crozar> compwiz18: thanks alot for the help
[10:03] <compwiz18> not that compiz is useful... ;)
[10:03] <compwiz18> no problem Crozar
[10:03] <Crozar> extra: same to you extra =)
[10:03] <compwiz18> I've gotta go
[10:03] <compwiz18> cya all
[10:03] <extra> later
[10:04] <cellofellow> I tried partitioning from DreamLinux. At least GParted didn't crash in there. But for some reason it puts /dev/hda1 as / in mtab, even though it's not even doing anything to the hard drive. Makes partitioning a pain.
[10:04] <extra> I have to dip out too..
[10:04] <RAdams> Does anyone know how to solve the problem where all users disappear from your GDM user list?
[10:04] <cellofellow> Change the settings in gdmsetup?
[10:05] <cellofellow> There's a whitelist/blacklist thing in there under Users.
[10:05] <RAdams> cellofellow: the settings are fine
[10:05] <Crozar> compwiz18: 1 more question i have compiz since feisty its not weird so should i remove everything even the files in my homefolder , coz i did amanual download install , must i redo all again?
[10:05] <cellofellow> then I've no idea.
[10:05] <RAdams> cellofellow: it's set to grab users from /etc/passwd, as is the default way
[10:05] <Crozar> compwiz18: i mean its weird now lo
[10:05] <RAdams> it shouldn't just stop working
[10:05] <RAdams> but this seems the disturbing trend in gusty
[10:06] <cellofellow> well, I'm going to bed, and hoping that a more stable GParted is in the next Gutsy ISO.
[10:06] <RAdams> gdm sounds, bluetooth input devices, face browser lists not populating, gparted crashing on the live iso...
[10:06] <RAdams> :|
[10:06] <acuster> Hey all, need help getting logs for a bug report. Gutsy stops booting after 4.08 seconds in the second count on boot. Is there a file at that point that has logged what has happend so far?
[10:06] <g1gaman> gentlemen, i've done upgrade to gutsy beta yesterday by "update-manager" -c -d method. The problem i've get in to is pasted here: http://pastebin.ca/721332 What is the fastest way to get openoffice work again?
[10:08] <rothchild> what's the command to rebuild the gnome menu? I have a bunch of dead entries I'd like taking out
[10:08] <g1gaman> rothchild: do you mean alacarte?
[10:09] <Crozar> compwiz18: i will uninstall compiz and reinstall  , but again thanks for the help and now atleast i think im loving linux more =) you learned me how to script things and let it do things for me .
[10:10] <rothchild> that's a bit long winded I thought there was a prompt command that I could issue that would do it automagically?
[10:12] <acuster> what are /var/log/faillog and /var/log/lastlog ?
[10:17] <rothchild> where is the gconf setting that makes compiz use metacity themes?
[10:18] <pwuertz> isnt that the default setting?
[10:19] <rothchild> I just reset compiz using gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/compiz
[10:19] <rothchild> but compiz is using emerald rather than metacity
[10:20] <sonoftheclayr> The distribution upgrade tool just frooze up on me and stopped working. What do I do? Close it and try again or restore the backup I made yesterday?
[10:20] <jmg> hi all
[10:20] <jmg> what glx should i use with i915?
[10:20] <jmg> i get Direct Rendering: No
[10:21] <rothchild> jmg I think that should be the i810 driver
[10:22] <rothchild> works for me at least
[10:22] <jmg> i have the driver, but i dont know what glx to install
[10:22] <jmg> rothchild: can you glxinfo for me?
[10:22] <rothchild> sure one moment
[10:23] <rothchild> do you want the whole lot?
[10:24] <g1gaman> gentlemen, i've done upgrade to gutsy beta yesterday by "update-manager" -c -d method. The problem i've get in to is pasted here: http://pastebin.ca/721332 What is the fastest way to get openoffice work again?
[10:24] <rothchild> jmg http://pastebin.com/m310169b0
[10:24] <kingrayray> hey everybody
[10:25] <jmg> thankx
[10:26] <rothchild> hope it helps!
[10:26] <slackern> g1gaman: not sure but to me it looks like the archives you have downloaded are corrupt, maybe redownloading them could help?
[10:27] <cellojoe> who wants to tell me how to make my shell script run as root, and ask for a p/w in a generic popup?
[10:27] <sonoftheclayr> cellojoe: use kdesu
[10:27] <cellojoe> like the popup you get when you open synaptic or something
[10:27] <sonoftheclayr> cellojoe: or gksu i think, i don't use gnome
[10:28] <cellojoe> here's the script http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39247/
[10:28] <cellojoe> it work if you do sudo ./script
[10:28] <cellojoe> but i want it to work from a gui, and ask for a password
[10:28] <g1gaman> slackern: can you teach me how?
[10:29] <jmg> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[10:29] <kingrayray> cellojoe: gksu or gksudo will work
[10:29] <kingrayray> (or kdesu if you use kde.)
[10:30] <slackern> g1gaman: try doing a sudo mv /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.22-12-generic_2.6.22-12.39_i386.deb ~ ' that will move the possibly broken package to your homefolder for safekeeping, then do a 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'
[10:30] <jmg> I havedo i need to install special aiglx packages?
[10:31] <slackern> g1gaman: it should redownload that .deb file again then and if it doesn't work we still have a backup of the old one.
[10:31] <cellojoe> kingrayray: kdesu doesn't work :(
[10:31] <g1gaman> slackern: than you
[10:31] <g1gaman> thank you
[10:31] <cellojoe> i think it's because the redirector '>' is treated as a separate command, and the kdesu doesn't apply to it
[10:31] <g1gaman> pardon
[10:32] <slackern> g1gaman: don't say thank you yet, it's isn't working yet :)
[10:32] <kingrayray> hmm, you could try a script to launch the script maybe, like a script that says kdesu scriptname.sh (not the cleanest way but i dont do a lot of scripting..)
[10:32] <kingrayray> i'm sure there's a far more efficient method
[10:33] <rothchild> jmg do you have glx enabled in xorg.conf?
[10:34] <slackern> g1gaman: it could be that you could try with a 'sudo apt-get -f install' also after the broken .deb file has been redownloaded
[10:35] <cellojoe> kingrayray: the kdesu ./script works :)
[10:35] <g1gaman> slackern: let's see.
[10:36] <kingrayray> cellojoe: cool, i hope that works out :)
[10:36] <kingrayray> (also let me know if you find a cleaner method, lol)
[10:36] <cellojoe> kingrayray: heh, i will
[10:36] <slackern> g1gaman: aye, lets see what happens
[10:37] <jmg> rothchild: yes
[10:37] <jmg> rothchild: i must have the wrong lib installed
[10:37] <jmg> rothchild: i bet if i reinstall it will work
[10:42] <zenum> hey, i just downloaded kubuntu gutsy beta and every time i boot up from the live cd it seems the dpi is no tproperly recognised and the fonts are HUGE, is there a way to fix this during the bootup stage? or any other way?
[10:42] <zenum> I think this laptop has an Intel graphics card
[11:11] <XamDM> hi there
[11:12] <XamDM> i just updated to gutsy, everythiong works fine, but any shells i try ( ctrl+alt+f1) are only black, no loginshell
[11:14] <pvandewyngaerde> getty
[11:16] <XamDM> pvandewyngaerde, what do jou mean exactly ??
[11:18] <pvandewyngaerde> normally it is configured in /etc/inittab  but i cant find it anymore
[11:20] <XamDM> pvandewyngaerde, yes i remember a problem after updating from dapper to feity
[11:22] <XamDM> inittab themes to be gone, lets see whats google tells us about ;), thx for the hint
[11:23] <pvandewyngaerde> upstart or something ?
[11:25] <pvandewyngaerde>    /etc/event.d/tty*   - files ??
[11:26] <XamDM> jep upstart, bur it is able to use inittab, il try to copy it from my other computer ...
[11:26] <XamDM> tty's are ther
[11:27] <XamDM> maybe a problem with the nvidia-driver ??
[11:27] <pvandewyngaerde> the process of the shells are the   (min)getty processes
[11:29] <XamDM> ps shows them
[11:29] <XamDM> ps
[11:29] <XamDM> my child is hitting the keyboard ;)
[11:30] <XamDM>  4541 tty4     Ss+    0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4
[11:30] <XamDM>  4542 tty5     Ss+    0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5
[11:30] <XamDM>  4547 tty3     Ss+    0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3
[11:30] <XamDM>  4548 tty1     Ss+    0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty1
[11:30] <XamDM>  4549 tty6     Ss+    0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6
[11:30] <XamDM> 15283 tty2     Ss+    0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty2
[11:30] <XamDM> looks good
[11:32] <XamDM> ill try without nvidia-modul, thx for the help
[11:34] <rico> anyone running the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver with the latest gutsy?
[11:38] <rothchild> rico I'm running i810 is that the one you mean?
[11:40] <rico> rothchild, nope, i810 and intel are different. :/
[11:40] <rico> I'm having trouble with -intel, and I tried switching to -i810 but that failed miserably
[11:42] <rothchild> what's the hardware?
[11:42] <acuster> hey all, how do we get compiz glory going?
[11:43] <acuster> also, restricted drivers for my modem talks of sl-modem-*; I'm wanting to use hsfmodem, are those the same?
[11:44] <rico> acuster, using gutsy?
[11:44] <acuster> yep
[11:44] <acuster> finally got a boot
[11:44] <acuster> but don't have desktop-effects in the menu
[11:44] <acuster> which surprised me
[11:44] <rico> just go to system -> prefs -> appearance, and set visual effects to normal/extra/custom
[11:45] <acuster> merci
[11:45] <rico> to get "Advanced desktop effects settings" on your menu (which is compiz's configuration tool), you need to install the compizconfig-settings-manager package
[11:45] <acuster> :-)
[11:49] <Crozar> i am back pluck UNI!
[11:49] <Crozar> i am still worried about my ubuntu lo
[11:49] <XamDM> pvandewyngaerde, if i remove vga=791 from /boot/grub/menu.lst everything works
[11:50] <rothchild> how do I get compiz to use metacity as the window decorator
[11:50] <_dan_> gtk-window-decorater --replace
[11:51] <acuster> hmm, desktop-effects could not be enabled. :-(
[11:51] <Crozar> COMPIZ problem help ( i was a feisty user )  i did some twaeks that i did for my xorg.conf file and some other things that made my window panel show ontop of the window but i have updated to gusty . and does gusty have built in compiz? if so i think i did a mistake because i havent uninstalled compiz and emerald before going to gusty and now with gusty when i uninstall compiz i still see the icon ontop. thought of reinstalling it.
[11:51] <rico> acuster, gutsy?
[11:51] <acuster> yep
[11:51] <rico> ran to the same problem and found a fix
[11:51] <rothchild> thanks dan I got as far as having gtk-window-decorator in the decorator plugin
[11:52] <acuster> an old radeon card
[11:52] <rico> but use it on your own risk :P
[11:52] <rico> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/141621
[11:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 141621 in compiz "Compiz-fusion fails to start on ubuntu-studio because of XDG_CONFIG_DIR - /usr/bin/compiz: 376: /usr/local/bin/compiz: not found" [High,Confirmed] 
[11:52] <rico> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/141621/comments/4
[11:52] <Crozar> rico: i need help for my bug plz
[11:53] <ikonia> Crozar whats the problem
[11:53] <Crozar> how to completely remove compiz-fusion and emerald then do it all over again
[11:53] <ikonia> Crozar errr thats going to be tough in gusty
[11:53] <ikonia> Crozar you are using gusty ?
[11:53] <rico> Crozar, did you install compiz-fusion and emerald from the tuxfamily repositories?
[11:53] <Crozar> ikonia: i had comiz and emerald when i had feisty but i forgot to uninstall before going to gusty :(
[11:53] <XamDM> Crozar, apt-get remove "packagename" --purge
[11:53] <acuster> so the only serious problem the beta had for me is that the UUID in Feisty and in Gutsy for the root partition are different
[11:53] <acuster> which amazes me.
[11:53] <Crozar> i installed compiz manually doing the commands ect.. all by terminal manually not from the deb file
[11:54] <Crozar> it was if im sure 0.6
[11:54] <rico> sudo aptitude purge ~ncompiz ~nlibdecoration <-- removes compiz and emerald
[11:54] <ikonia> Crozar you can remove it using the package manager however, it may break other things like gnome in gusty due to depndencies, I'd advise a clean install
[11:54] <Crozar> what must i do
[11:54] <rico> (along with other dependents like ubuntu-desktop... which you have to take note of so you can install it again)
[11:54] <Crozar> reinstalling will help the problem?
[11:55] <ikonia> Crozar I'd advise a clean gusty install because of how intergrated copmiz/xorg/desktop are
[11:55] <Crozar> its weird i still feel compiz is beta i see the icon ontop exacltly like feisty i thought gusty will be more legitimate with compiz and makes people see thats its all ubuntu =_)
[11:55] <Crozar> ikonia:  :(!!! Noooooooo My files
[11:55] <Crozar> ikonia: ok i will back up then do all again.
[11:56] <ikonia> Crozar compiz isn't beta and it intergrated in with ubuntu, what more do you want ?
[11:56] <Crozar> ikonia: but i see the compiz icon above and my window panels doent show ontop of a window
[11:56] <tich> did everyone have a partial dist-upgrade today?
[11:56] <ikonia> again - why is that a problem ?
[11:57] <Crozar> window panel i need to minmize maxmimize
[11:58] <tich> let me rephrase:  was their a partial dist-upgrade available today?  ...and did anyone do it?
[11:58] <Crozar> ikonia: ok i will backup and format , must i backup my xorg file coz i did some twaeking for feisty with it
[11:58] <ikonia> probably best to let gusty sort it
[11:59] <rico> Crozar, what "compiz icon"?
[11:59] <rico> like, desktop icons?
[11:59] <Crozar> rico: ya but on top
[11:59] <Crozar> rico: on systray
[11:59] <acuster> rico, thanks for your help. looks like my card's max texture is too small to play and i'd rather have a big desktop than wobbly windows ;-)
[11:59] <acuster> ciao all
[11:59] <shiznit> hello
[12:00] <Crozar> oh man
[12:00] <shiznit> this is the gutsy channed right?
[12:00] <Crozar> no body told me to remove compiz before ionstalling gusty even the website
[12:00] <ikonia> yes it is
[12:00] <shiznit> word
[12:00] <shiznit> i like this release
[12:00] <Crozar> shiznit: lol word looool lol looooooooool
[12:01] <shiznit> everything just works
[12:01] <Crozar> shiznit: sentence
[12:01] <Crozar> not everything
[12:01] <shiznit> im not getting baited
[12:01] <tich> many things just work!
[12:01] <Crozar> paragraph
[12:01] <Crozar> really
[12:01] <rico> Crozar, well... gutsy *is* beta
[12:01] <shiznit> ill let you guys know if i find any bugs
[12:01] <rico> Crozar, did you install compiz-fusion from trevinho/tuxfamily repositories?
[12:02] <ikonia> shiznit don't let us know, report them using the book reporting tools
[12:02] <Crozar> rico: no from fyda's guide
[12:02] <shiznit> ikonia, you were right about automatix, ok i will
[12:02] <rothchild> shiznit have you tried plugging in any usb devices?
[12:02] <shiznit> yes, usb mouse works
[12:02] <Crozar> does xbox usb controller work with ubuntu?
[12:03] <shiznit> i can try, i have a proper wired one
[12:03] <rothchild> how about your pendrive or usb hard drive
[12:03] <Crozar> shiznit: try if yes we can play mugen online in 2months or play Kaillera with Kawaks on King of Fighters 2007
[12:03] <rothchild> are you getting automount?
[12:03] <shiznit> word?
[12:04] <tich> if someone could tell me if their was a partial dist-upgrade today i would greatly appreciate it.  i have a couple third party repositories and i forgot to shut them off before running the upgrade tool.
[12:04] <Crozar> rico: i installed it from fyda's guide
[12:04] <shiznit> im not too big into fighter games, except SFIII third strike
[12:04] <tich> their is  a chance that i did an upgrade that broke my system and i want to know before shutting it off.
[12:04] <shiznit> CS:S im by bread and butter
[12:04] <ikonia> !offtopic
[12:04] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[12:05] <Crozar> rico: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=1985 i did the compile method
[12:05] <Crozar> i see the compiz folder in my homefolder
[12:05] <ikonia> not a good idea
[12:05] <shiznit> i noticed it doesnt mount ntfs drives anymore if you hibernated windows, i guess thats to prevent data loss?
[12:05] <ikonia> as it breaks the package manager dependencies
[12:05] <rico> Crozar, can you do make uninstall from your source folders?
[12:06] <Crozar> how is that?
[12:06] <ikonia> shiznit if you hibernate windows, how can you boot into ubuntu ?
[12:06] <shiznit> you still see grub
[12:06] <rico> ikonia, by selecting ubuntu from the grub menu :b
[12:06] <shiznit> when you boot next
[12:06] <ikonia> shiznit no, because thats a reboot not hibernation
[12:06] <Crozar> rico: theyr is no rule for make uninstall compiz
[12:07] <tich> hello.
[12:07] <rico> Crozar, it says it doesn't know how to make 'uninstall'?
[12:07] <shiznit> ikonia, no i was using windows and hibernated, i came back hours later and booted straight to ubutnu, widows was still hibernated
[12:07] <Crozar> rico: make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'.  Stop.
[12:07] <ikonia> not all packages will have an uninstall option in the make file
[12:07] <rico> no rule for target uninstall, i mean?
[12:07] <rico> okay
[12:07] <ikonia> shiznit no it isn't
[12:07] <rico> youre doing this from ~/compiz/compiz?
[12:07] <ikonia> if you reboot hibernation is lost
[12:08] <Crozar> rico: ~/compiz
[12:08] <shiznit> not until you actuall start windows
[12:08] <shiznit> try it
[12:08] <rico> try from ~/compiz/compiz
[12:08] <ikonia> shiznit I disagree
[12:09] <Crozar> i did type make uninstall compiz/compiz
[12:09] <Crozar> rico: and doesnt work same thing
[12:09] <shiznit> well the windows screen said 'resuming" and a nfts3g dev said on the forum said it wont mount hivernated drives, i resumed windows and did a regular restart, and now i see my ntfs partittions
[12:09] <rico> cd ~/compiz/compiz; make uninstall
[12:09] <rico> if that doesn't work, sorry i cant help you any more than that :/
[12:10] <Crozar> rico: -f '/usr/local/include/compiz/scale.h'
[12:10] <Crozar> rm: cannot remove `/usr/local/include/compiz/scale.h': Permission denied
[12:10] <Crozar> make[1] : *** [uninstall-compizincludeHEADERS]  Error 1
[12:10] <Crozar> make[1] : Leaving directory `/home/abdulla/compiz/compiz/include
[12:10] <Crozar> rico:  i have more but didnt paste all
[12:10] <rico> Crozar, sudo make uninstall
[12:10] <rico> hehe
[12:10] <Crozar> rico:  i did sudo autoremove compiz-fusion
[12:10] <Crozar> rico: thats before!
[12:11] <rico> *shrug* weird
[12:11] <Crozar> rico: ok its removeing
[12:11] <Crozar> rico: what should i do next restart and use gusty's compiz built in?
[12:12] <rico> I guess, restart X and verify that compiz is uninstalled and doesn't work
[12:12] <Crozar> rico:  after uninstall i still see the compiz icon which is exactly like the one in feisty
[12:12] <rico> after that, sudo apt-get install compiz emerald compiz-gnome compiz-plugins compizconfig-settings-manager
[12:12] <Crozar> rico: do i right click quit
[12:12] <rico> i dont really know what icon is that...
[12:12] <rico> are you talking about a desktop icon? systray icon? what is it?
[12:12] <Crozar> rico: its the blue one with a mounse pointer on it
[12:13] <Crozar> systm tray
[12:13] <rico> ahh, yeah you can quit it i guess, then logoff and log back on
[12:13] <rico> and see if it persists
[12:13] <rico> (it shouldn't)
[12:13] <Crozar> rico: sudo apt-get install compiz emerald compiz-gniomse and thsese stuff is a short of what i see in fyda's tutorial look here http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=1985
[12:13] <Crozar> brb i will restart X
[12:14] <shiznit> compiz fusion works really well on intel gfx surprisingly
[12:14] <rico> Crozar, short of what?
[12:15] <Crozar> rico: i restarted ( ctrl + alt +backspace )
[12:15] <Crozar> got an error it says
[12:15] <rico> well the rest are going to be installed anyway because of dependencies (e.g., libcompizconfig will be installed anyway if you install ccsm)
[12:15] <rico> Crozar, did you 'make uninstall' from all directories (not just ~/compiz/compiz)?
[12:15] <Crozar> rico: i did fyda'
[12:15] <ikonia> I would advise a clean install
[12:16] <ikonia> so he's running a clean gusty build
[12:16] <Crozar> rico: what you mean each one i must do
[12:16] <rico> you also have to uninstall ccsm, fusion-icons, and the rest. actually I'm with ikonia on this one, a clean install is the way to go
[12:16] <Crozar> rico: but all my life i have been upgrading
[12:16] <Crozar> i never knew such problem will occur after solving it in feisty
[12:16] <rico> well there's ~/compiz/compiz, ~/compiz/plugins-extra, ~/compiz/bcop, etc
[12:16] <Crozar> ok just give me a way to show the window panel
[12:17] <Crozar> ontop of each window like irc for instance i dont see the maximize minmize and the ornage bar
[12:17] <shiznit> im running a clean gutsy and its great, when i upgraded my compiz-fusion feisty i had tons of bugs but that could have been automatix
[12:17] <penguincentral_> !automatix | shiznit
[12:17] <ubotu> shiznit: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[12:18] <ikonia> shiznit compiz wasn't available for fesity, so thats probably why you could problems, coupled aith automatix
[12:18] <shiznit> yes i found that out after i installed it
[12:18] <shiznit> well i had installed compiz-fusion myself
[12:18] <penguincentral_> don't forget, it's another 18 days left until the final gutsy release comes out...
[12:19] <shiznit> i had looping popups after boot that would never go away even if i checked "dont show again"
[12:19] <Crozar> ok i tried to go to system -> prefrencese -> appearance => visual effects when i clicked on them said Failed to execute child process " compiz" ( no such file or directory )
[12:19] <rico> then you dont have compiz installed
[12:19] <Crozar> =/
[12:19] <elkbuntu> you'll probably also find that compiz-fusion and automatix will be unkind to each other too, since compiz-fusion is closely related to the video drivers and require close synchronisation of version, and automatix messes around with video driver versions
[12:20] <rico> Crozar did you install it (from repository) after removing it?
[12:20] <Crozar> havent installed it yet
[12:20] <shiznit> ikonia, i didnt know anything about ubuntu and i some guide said to install automatix becuse it makes it easier so i did, if i had known how easy apt-get is and that it break upgrading i wouldnt have done it
[12:20] <Crozar> waiting for my command
[12:20] <tich> presumably i did mess something up... synaptic doesn't get past the gtksu screen
[12:21] <tich> and outputs this: Error: No such file or directory.
[12:21] <tich> SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
[12:21] <tich> anyone have any ideas?
[12:21] <ikonia> tich the error message is pretty clean "there is no such file"
[12:21] <tich> ah people on this forum do speak.
[12:21] <Crozar> rico how to get it back installing
[12:22] <nanonyme> which forum?
[12:22] <tich> ikonia, true that is pretty clear. what would the next step be?
[12:22] <penguincentral_> !pastebin | tich
[12:22] <ubotu> tich: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:22] <ikonia> tich get the ile
[12:22] <ikonia> file
[12:22] <penguincentral_> ...
[12:23] <Crozar> never mind i will bother formating later
[12:23] <Crozar> this sucks people must be sensitive before going for an upgrade or soemthing
[12:23] <tich> how would i undo an upgrade?
[12:24] <shiznit> lol
[12:24] <tich> i have already disabled the repository that is causing the problem
[12:24] <Crozar> is theyr system restore?
[12:24] <ikonia> tich apt-get update
[12:24] <tich> right thanks.
[12:25] <shiznit> can evolution read gmail?
[12:26] <tich> shiznit, yes
[12:26] <shiznit> ok ty, ill see if i can get it set up
[12:26] <tich> if you google evolution and gmail you can find a couple pretty good howtos
[12:26] <shiznit> should i install any kind of anti-virus on linux?
[12:27] <XamDM> pvandewyngaerde, i got it fixed the module fbcon was missing
[12:27] <shiznit> cause in xp i run an army of security programs lol
[12:27] <rico> Crozar, so is compiz out of your system already? just apt-get install it again
[12:27] <rico> shrug
[12:27] <rico> he went out
[12:27] <rico> heh
[12:27] <kingrayray> shiznit: if evolution doesn't work for you try Thunderbird, it is really easy to setup gmail with it
[12:27] <Ng> shiznit: generally no, there aren't anywhere near the number of malicious linux/unix things as there are on windows. some people still choose to scan their email and stuff to make sure they're not passing on windows viruses received from others
[12:28] <shiznit> yea i would like to do that as well
[12:28] <ikonia> shiznit you want to do what ?
[12:28] <shiznit> set up antivirus
[12:28] <ikonia> sorry I missed part of the conversation
[12:28] <ikonia> shiznit if your machine is behind a router, I wouldn't worry too much
[12:29] <shiznit> so i hear, but im still in windows mindset
[12:29] <ikonia> then you need to stop that
[12:30] <tich> i have forgotten everything i should remember...  where is the source.list again?
[12:30] <shiznit> ikonia, i would still like anti-virus to make sure i dont pass on anthing
[12:30] <tich> forget it i will look it up in the forums... sorry about the inane question.
[12:31] <nurettin> hello do you know free telnet server ?
[12:31] <ikonia> nurettin in.telnetd is in most unix operatoring system
[12:31] <ikonia> operating systems
[12:32] <nurettin> i want to connect to me from outside(internet
[12:32] <ikonia> nurettin telinet is unwise due to security on the internet, invest a look in ssh
[12:32] <jhaig> nurettin: For remote logins use ssh
[12:32] <jhaig> You want to install openssh
[12:32] <nurettin> i installed
[12:33] <nurettin> i want test another thing.
[12:34] <nurettin> i have installed mail server  when send e mail from outside to my mail server cant get
[12:34] <nurettin> but when send mail from local mail to local mail is running
[12:35] <nurettin> from sibel@nurettinalp.com to nurettin@nurettinalp.com NOT PROBLEM
[12:35] <nurettin> but from kidalabama@gmail.com to nurettin@nurettinalp.com PROBLEM
[12:36] <ikonia> your mail server is not setup correctly
[12:36] <ikonia> erUSUL define "problem"
[12:36] <nurettin> yes what is configuration problem ?
[12:36] <rico> Xteven, you're probably after ubuntu-7.10-beta-desktop-i386. :)
[12:36] <ikonia> nurettin you've not told us what mail server your using, what the setup is or told us the problem other than " a problem"
[12:36] <Tommy> I just installed gutsy, and i did not install a boot loader. Now i want to add that gutsy to my grub menu.lst but i dont know what the entry should look like. Can someone please post a copy of their grub entry for gutsy?
[12:37] <rico> Tommy, our grub entries will most likely differ frmo yours
[12:37] <nurettin> postfix dovecot
[12:37] <rico> I mean, from what your system should have
[12:37] <nurettin> ikonia: postfix dovecot
[12:37] <Tommy> rico: i was afraid of that
[12:37] <shiznit> yea the desktop iso didnt install grub for me either
[12:37] <ikonia> nurettin are you running gusty ?
[12:37] <Tommy> can i still see someones, to get an idea?
[12:37] <nurettin> yes
[12:38] <nurettin> gutsy
[12:38] <ikonia> nurettin and what is the error/problem
[12:38] <Tommy> shiznit: i didnt install it on purpose
[12:38] <shiznit> o
[12:38] <Tommy> the new gutsy beta
[12:38] <Xteven> rico: thx
[12:38] <Tommy> anyone got an entry for gutsy beta then?
[12:39] <nurettin> ikonia: from sibel@nurettinalp.com to nurettin@nurettinalp.com NOT PROBLEM
[12:39] <nurettin> ikonia: but from kidalabama@gmail.com to nurettin@nurettinalp.com PROBLEM
[12:39] <ikonia> define "problem"
[12:39] <ikonia> error ? bouncing ? what ?
[12:39] <_dan_> tommy see query i was too lazy for pastebin
[12:39] <nurettin> ikonia: i cant get mail from outside
[12:40] <ikonia> what error ?
[12:40] <nurettin> ikonia: i dont know ?
[12:40] <ikonia> nurettin are you on a static IP ?
[12:40] <ikonia> may as well get the obvious out of the way first
[12:40] <nurettin> ikonia:  no i have got dynamic ip
[12:41] <ikonia> nurettin then don't waste your time setting up a mail server
[12:41] <stefg> Hi, does anyone have a link for a gutsy netinst.iso ? Browsing through cdmage.ubuntu.com i can't find it...
[12:41] <Xero> I have succeeded in mounting a password protected SMB share. I now have 500GB+ of music on an 80GB hard disk.
[12:41] <nurettin> ikonia: why ?
[12:41] <ikonia> Xero why are you telling us this
 ikonia: why ?
[12:41] <ikonia> oops
[12:41] <ikonia> nurettin as most mail services won't send mail to dynamic ip addresses
[12:41] <tich> synaptic won't start from the menu or from a desktop icon but if i input the same info from the launcher into a terminal it starts.  any idea why?
[12:41] <Xero> I don't know. I like to brag.
[12:42] <nurettin> ikonia: have you got mail server ? can you send to my mail address nurettin@nurettinalp.com for testing.
[12:43] <nurettin> ikonia: if your mail server accept to send dynamic ips.
[12:43] <ikonia> nurettin no sorry, setting up mail service on dynamic ip addresses is pointless and normally only used for spam, so I'm not going to help on this. Mail servers on dynamic ip addresses are a waste of time
[12:43] <nurettin> ikonia: if will buy static ip
[12:44] <nurettin> ikonia: i will buy static ip
[12:44] <ikonia> sorry I'm not willing to discuss it any more as I feel you are wasting my time
[12:44] <hylje> you know better?
[12:44] <nurettin> ikonia: very thank you.
[12:44] <ikonia> hylje ?
[12:45] <Tommy-> im back, my computer froze. Sorry to anyone who may have replied to me
[12:45] <Tommy-> `i was asking about a gutsy beta menu.lst entry
[12:46] <Tommy-> if anyone has one i could borrow
[12:46] <ikonia> Tommy- copy your fesity one
[12:46] <Tommy-> ikonia
[12:46] <ikonia> yes
[12:47] <Tommy-> typo, sorry. I was going to say that i tried that (and changed the kernel numbers and whatnot) but it didnt work. I was the ubuntu loading logo but it just hangs there forever
[12:47] <Tommy-> saw the logo*
[12:47] <ikonia> Tommy- then debug why it didn't work, as copying someone elses won't work
[12:48] <shiznit> anyone know how to make programs remember their positions after close, im getting tired of dragging firefox to where i want it
[12:48] <Tommy-> ikonia: i think its all this business of UUID's
[12:48] <ikonia> Tommy- probably, so copying someone elses isn't going to help
[12:49] <Tommy-> ikonia: what if instead of writing the UUID i just write root=/dev/hdfx. would that still run?
[12:50] <ikonia> Tommy- should do
[12:50] <Tommy-> ikonia: ok. Thanks for all your help :)
[12:56] <Zampaktu> hi, i have a small problem with gutsy, and i wanted to check it with somebody before i file a buh on launchpad. i have a fresh gutsy installation with latest update. i am using a Sagem 760a usb  wifi adaptor. if i leave the adaptor connected and reboot, mymachine will take 20 minutes to boot. and the mouse will be slow until i am connected. does anybody know of some problem like this?
[12:57] <Zampaktu> bug
[12:57] <Zampaktu> the sagem is recognized by gutsy by default
[01:03] <JimQode> Hello ppl. Has gutsy been released?
[01:04] <davisc> udev, NetworkManager and Xgl and hammering my machine since I upgraded to Gutsy (udevd in particular). Any suggestions on where to try and track it down?
[01:05] <jhaig> JimQode: There is a beta release out.
[01:06] <jhaig> JimQode: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[01:07] <JimQode> jhaig, thanks. that was what i was looking for :)
[01:22] <mnk> hi guys i'm trying to upgrade from feisty to gutsy but keep getting:
[01:22] <mnk> that one of the files is not there
[01:22] <hussain> Hi anyone can help with some sub hd troubkle shooting? When i plug in an usb harddisk , nothing happens. Doing fdisk -l doesnt show the device i.e. sdc something ???
[01:22] <mnk> some error like that
[01:22] <mnk> http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/main/i18n/Translation-en_GB.bz2
[01:23] <Eq|work> hussain : anything in dmesg ?
[01:23] <hussain> not anything that show erros
[01:23] <Eq|work> mnk : the file may literally not be there.
[01:23] <mnk> and sure enough when i wget that file it says file not found
[01:23] <Eq|work> hussain : what DOES dmesg say when you plug in the device?
[01:23] <hussain> ill just try
[01:24] <mnk> yeah Eq|work but how do i upgrade?
[01:24] <hussain> 2 sek
[01:24] <rothchild> hussain usb is broken afaikt
[01:24] <Eq|work> mnk : no idea. it's not final yet, so don't expect things to go perfectly.
[01:25] <Eq|work> rothchild : usb works fine for me
[01:25] <mnk> any way of forcing the upgrade?
[01:25] <rothchild> if you can see it with fdisk -l you can mount it with pmount-hal /dev/sdb*
[01:25] <Eq|work> rothchild : he said he /couldn't/ see it
[01:26] <hussain> it says this in dmesg ... http://pastebin.com/m64ac386
[01:26] <rothchild> usb is not broken but there are problems with automount
[01:26] <rothchild> sorry I misread
[01:26] <Eq|work> #
[01:26] <Eq|work> [  110.840000]  usb 2-8: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7
[01:26] <Eq|work> #
[01:26] <Eq|work> [  110.972000]  scsi 2:0:0:0: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recov
[01:26] <Eq|work> those would be the problem
[01:26] <Eq|work> imo
[01:26] <hussain> I cant see it with fdisk that is the problem
[01:26] <Eq|work> something about it is very unhappy
[01:26] <mnk> any way of forcing the upgrade? Eq|work
[01:26] <elmargol> wich scheduler does gutsy use?
[01:26] <Eq|work> you can't see it because it's offlining the device
[01:26] <Eq|work> mnk : no idea.
[01:27] <mnk> anyone else?
[01:27] <hussain> Oki so usb hd support is broken atm??
[01:29] <hussain> irq 7: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)
[01:29] <hussain> [  287.064000] 
[01:30] <hussain> Woud that tip make any difference you think?
[01:30] <hussain> Woul d..
[01:31] <rothchild> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/114777
[01:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 114777 in hal "My External hard disk Seagate doeasn't mount automaticly under Fiesty" [Undecided,New] 
[01:31] <rothchild> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/130367
[01:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130367 in ubuntu "auto mount doesn't work for removable devices on Gusty tribe 3" [Undecided,Incomplete] 
[01:35] <DiThi> hi
[01:35] <DiThi> has anyone have problems with konqueror and kopete with today's upgrade?
[01:36] <kRush> my taskbar is not visible after login since yesterdays bunch of updates, I have to click where it sits to make it visible. anyone else having this?
[01:39] <DiThi> kRush: kde or gnome?
[01:40] <Hobbsee> DiThi: what problems?
[01:41] <kRush> gnome.
[01:41] <DiThi> Hobbsee: konqueror doesn't appear, kopete doesn't connect
[01:41] <DiThi> I click status - online, and nothing
[01:41] <Hobbsee> savvas: ping
[01:41] <Hobbsee> DiThi: i know about kopete not connecting - but not why
[01:41] <DiThi> I tipe konqueror in terminal, nothing, as it were started but nothing appears
[01:42] <Hobbsee> DiThi: does it happen if you remove networkstatus?
[01:42] <DiThi> knetworkmanager doesn't work either
[01:42] <Hobbsee> DiThi: does ps aux | grep konq show anything useful then?
[01:42] <Hobbsee> DiThi: right, so if knm isnt working, then kopete will usually bork.
[01:42] <DiThi> oh, I didn't try to kill all instances
[01:42] <DiThi> there are 10 instances
[01:43] <Hobbsee> is this from an empty kde session, or a previously saved session?
[01:43] <Hobbsee> (try killing the instances, and then starting konq)
[01:43] <DiThi> some from a previous session
[01:43] <DiThi> killed all, same result
[01:44] <Hobbsee> WFM.
[01:44] <Hobbsee> but there's going to be a new upload of konq soon anyway
[01:44] <DiThi> knetworkmanager does the same as konqueror: nothing
[01:44] <DiThi> it doesn't even exit
[01:44] <wers> anyone here using stardict?
[01:44] <wers> whenever I put my mouse pointer on the definition window, it disappears
[01:45] <wers> it did not happen to me in feisty
[01:45] <DiThi> Hobbsee: also kopete appeared to have lose the account settings
[01:45] <DiThi> but after opening it again, it had the accounts
[01:45] <DiThi> but doesn't connect
[01:46] <Hobbsee> DiThi: i'd guess that's due to knm not working.  i suspect if you purged networkstatus (and knm in the process), and then did your network connection via dhclient, it would connect.
[01:46] <DiThi> Hobbsee: I connected manually with iwconfig and dhclient
[01:47] <Hobbsee> but networkstatus still exists, and is workign on yoru system
[01:47] <Hobbsee> although it should do something more useful than stop kopete connecting, i agree.
[01:47] <Hobbsee> at least, that's where i'd guess the problem is
[01:48] <shiznit> hello beta people
[01:48] <delight> anybody else here who experience problems with the applications-menu ? ... i got no entries (neither gnome or kde) in it left since some updates
[01:49] <kRush> why would disabling avahi-deamon "possibly lead to data loss"?
[01:49] <DiThi> does anyone have an ipw3945?
[01:50] <DiThi> I have problems when moving far from the access point, also when suspending
[01:50] <DiThi> most times I have to restart
[01:51] <DiThi> has anyone noticed that since the upgrade, when a session starts, a cross appears as if you were selecting a window for snapshot?
[01:52] <shiznit> yes
[01:52] <shiznit> it doesnt bother me
[01:52] <DiThi> what's the cause?
[01:52] <shiznit> but i would like to know stop the keyring popup for wireless
[01:53] <delight> anybody else here who experience problems with the applications-menu ? ... i got no entries (neither gnome or kde) in it left since some updates .. is there a command to recreate the applications-menu ?
[01:56] <DiThi> there is an outdated repository so I can downgrade some packages from before yesterday's update?
[01:58] <gnomefreak> DiThi: no but if apt-cache show <packagename> shows the older version that you want use sudo apt-get install bleh=versionnumbers
[01:59] <savvas> Hobbsee: you're doing your monthly round of bug reports? :)
[01:59] <shiznit> can someone help me with a internet radio stream?
[01:59] <ikonia> whats the problem
[01:59] <gnomefreak> DiThi: you can also look in /var/cache/apt/archives
[01:59] <DiThi> gnomefreak: I already do that, and no luck
[01:59] <ajv> hi all, I am trying to install 7.10 desktop but it seems to hang while importing documents and settings. Any Ideas ?
[01:59] <gnomefreak> than no you are stuck
[01:59] <Hobbsee> savvas: nah - i tend to look a bit more often than taht
[02:00] <shiznit> ikonia, does http://www.dc101.com/cc-common/streaming_new/index.html?refreshed=yes play for you
[02:00] <kurros> they would still be on archive.ubuntu.com
[02:00] <ubuntu_dave> ajv: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=563061 is your answer prob
[02:00] <shiznit> the media player never starts
[02:00] <ajv> thanks ubuntu_dave, checking it out now
[02:00] <gnomefreak> kurros: if show diesnt show it than they had cleaned it out with newer upload
[02:01] <Hobbsee> savvas: gimp data will be fixed soon.
[02:02] <savvas> Hobbsee: ok thanks for your help, I'll post the output if it's any help
[02:02] <Hobbsee> savvas: it's OK - we've found the problem
[02:02] <Hobbsee> (the other guy's output worked, and then i saw my own mirror had it too)
[02:02] <gnomefreak> DiThi: only other way is to find a .deb from internet somewhere and install it (this is not normally the best idea)
[02:03] <gnomefreak> DiThi: what is wrong with the updates yesterday?
[02:03] <savvas> ah, oops
[02:03] <Hobbsee> DiThi: yeah, we'v'e noticed that - nfi what it is
[02:04] <DiThi> gnomefreak: that's a nightmare when there are a lot of dependent packages
[02:05] <gnomefreak> DiThi: i know thats why i said its not best idea but if you tell us what is wrong maybe we can help
[02:06] <shiznit> for some reason i cant connect to my wireless network if i dont broadcast the ssid
[02:07] <shiznit> i type everything in correctly but it wont resolve
[02:07] <gnomefreak> ok bbl time for meeting #1 :(
[02:07] <savvas> Hobbsee: I forgot to mention I'm using amd64, but I guess that will be out in a day or two as well
[02:08] <Hobbsee> savvas: gimp-data is arch-any, so ends up building on i386.
[02:08] <phil> is the 'places' menu supposed to have two entries for 'Desktop'??? (ex. Home Folder, Desktop, Documents, Pictures, Music, Videos, Desktop))
[02:08] <Hobbsee> so the only ones of you who will have hit that will be !i386 users
[02:10] <savvas> oh ok
[02:18] <sonoftheclayr> How safe is it to upgrade to gutsy using the command line?
[02:18] <savvas> what command line?
[02:18] <_dan_> worked for me
[02:18] <nanonyme> worked for me too
[02:19] <sonoftheclayr> Cool, so that's just apt-get dist-upgrade?
[02:19] <_dan_> yes
[02:19] <sonoftheclayr> Thank you
[02:19] <_dan_> u have to modify sources.list manually tho
[02:19] <savvas> does anyone know a package or application similar to "srs wow effect" in windows for sound improvement?
[02:19] <sonoftheclayr> I can do that easy, I just have to replace feisty with gutsy
[02:20] <_dan_> i suggest you upgrade via update-manager, does some add/remove stuff your u
[02:20] <nanonyme> i think keywords "stable, testing" might work too but it's a bit dangerous since then you might upgrade by accident
[02:21] <sonoftheclayr> Yes well I had the distribution upgrade tool crash on me before and I spent about 3 hours waiting for my backup to copy over a USB 1 cable
[02:21] <_dan_> you dont need to backup anything when it crashed
[02:21] <ajv> ubuntu_dave, thanks that worked like a charm.
[02:22] <ubuntu_dave> ajv:  nps
[02:24] <Apex> Are sound events currently broken in Gutsy? (Gnome)
[02:24] <pwuertz> Apex: it looks like they are finally killing esd
[02:25] <Apex> I can play test sounds under preferences > sounds, but no sound when activating real time events.
[02:25] <penguincentral> can anyone tell me how to clear out the list of the last 5 videos watched in totem?
[02:25] <Apex> Ah ok
[02:25] <pwuertz> Apex: but Im not sure about that
[02:25] <ubuntu_dave> penguincentral: places > recent docu' > clear recent
[02:25] <pwuertz> Apex: its just that i'm getting error messages when running gedit as root.... like "command esd not found"
[02:25] <penguincentral> thanks ubuntu_dave!
[02:26] <Apex> pwuertz, Killing meaning switching to pulseaudio?
[02:26] <pwuertz> Apex: in my opinion you don't need any framework besides alsa
[02:26] <pwuertz> can anyone confirm this?
[02:27] <Apex> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/129029
[02:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129029 in dell "[Gutsy Tribe-5]  No Sound on Login Screen or during Login" [High,Confirmed] 
[02:27] <Apex> Looks like it's confirmed
[02:27] <ikonia> is that dell hardware specific or a certain sound chipset
[02:27] <ubuntu_dave> sound can be enabled for login/during login
[02:28] <ubuntu_dave> through settings, i forget where exactly
[02:28] <ubuntu_dave> it's just not enabled by default
[02:28] <Apex> Login Window
[02:28] <Apex> That's works sporadically
[02:28] <Apex> That*
[02:28] <ikonia> but is it chipset related or something thats specific to dell hardware config
[02:29] <pwuertz> Apex: hm... got that bug too... but not a dell system
[02:29] <Apex> I don't have a Dell either
[02:30] <pwuertz> however.. this doesn't tell us about the future of "esd"
[02:30] <Trewas> there is certainly no absolute need for a sound daemon, but many cards only play one sound at the same time without a daemon
[02:31] <DiThi> Trewas: alsa uses dmix by default if the card doesn't support hardware mixing
[02:31] <pwuertz> Trewas: yea... the lack of hardware mixing should be fixed by a proper driver implementation
[02:31] <pwuertz> Trewas: like dmix
[02:31] <Apex> Well, this will be be a pretty big bug especially new user from Windows who will enjoy those sound events
[02:32] <pwuertz> although I don't understand why software mixing is not built-in into alsa
[02:32] <Trewas> dmix is a very long way from "proper" implementation, does not like sounds with different sampling rates and does not work at all if some app uses oss emulation
[02:32] <DiThi> alsa with dmix works for me very well out of the box
[02:32] <DiThi> in several computers with different soundcards
[02:32] <shiznit> how do i take desktop screenshot, sorry about noob question
[02:33] <DiThi> the problem I have is when I want to use JACK
[02:33] <pwuertz> dmix is a solution.. but I agree... its far from complete.. there are alot of applications with broken sound
[02:33] <Apex> DiThi, you are getting boing, click, beep, sounds etc.?
[02:33] <DiThi> why the hell in ubuntu apps like mplayer doesn't have jack support compiled in???
[02:34] <DiThi> pwuertz: there are apps with broken alsa support which are not very plugin-firendly
[02:34] <DiThi> there are also OSS apps that can't use dmix i think
[02:34] <pwuertz> right
[02:34] <DiThi> every sound app should have alsa and jack support compiled in
[02:34] <DiThi> where available
[02:35] <DiThi> I'm a bit upset with it, I can't use mplayer while I'm using jack
[02:35] <pwuertz> when people realized that the OSS should be replaced with a new audio driver model... why didn't they just implement proper software mixing right into alsa... I just don't get it
[02:35] <DiThi> or amarok or xine, but those I got them working with alsa-jack plugin
[02:35] <DiThi> btw, the alsa-jack plugin IS NOT IN UBUNTU!
[02:36] <DiThi> i got it from the libasound2 from debian
[02:36] <pwuertz> DiThi: maybe thats bedause some guys started working on some multimedia ubuntu version
[02:36] <DiThi> I mean, libasound2-plugins
[02:37] <Trewas> pwuertz: the official reason is that a proper implementation would require the mixing/sampling rate conversion to be inside the kernel which is a big no-no, so they do those via a library which does not work so reliably
[02:37] <pwuertz> Trewas: ah, thanks!
[02:38] <DiThi> pwuertz: I got the package from debian some months ago
[02:38] <DiThi> and it's still not in ubuntu
[02:38] <DiThi> well, it's in ubuntu but without jack support
[02:38] <pwuertz> that must be hard... getting up-to-date packages from debian-stable ;)
[02:39] <DiThi> if ubuntustudio wants to be useful for sound, packages such libxine, mplayer and libasound-plugins should be compiled with jack support
[02:39] <DiThi> pwuertz: I'm comparing packages with the same version as ubuntu
[02:39] <DiThi> jack support is already in the apps sources
[02:40] <pwuertz> why are you using jack again? real time applications?
[02:40] <DiThi> pwuertz: yeah, ardour, qsynth, zynaddsubfx
[02:41] <DiThi> hydrogen, jack-rack, jamin, rosegarden
[02:42] <DiThi> and sometimes I want to play music
[02:42] <pwuertz> which doesnt work because jackd highjacks the raw alsa device...
[02:43] <DiThi> the only way to do it without stopping jack was alsaplayer with jack frontend
[02:43] <DiThi> until I came with the alsa-jack plugin
[02:43] <DiThi> jack dosen't play with dmix
[02:43] <DiThi> also I want to connect the player to other things
[02:44] <sonoftheclayr> Is gutsy faster than feisty like it was over edgy?
[02:44] <bibe> hi all. I have just installed Gutsy Gibbon beta from scratch on my laptop. I sent a test email with "echo test |mail -s test <myaccount>" and I can see the /var/mail/<myaccount> mbox, and read it using mutt. When configuring the default Evolution mail account as a "Local delivery" account, I can browse to /var/mail but I see the <myaccount> file (and all other files on my system) as disabled, thus I can't check my mail. Any ideas, please?
[02:45] <pwuertz> sonoftheclayr: faster in which way?
[02:45] <sonoftheclayr> pwuertz: In X feisty was just faster than edgy
[02:45] <gerro> sonoftheclayr: I do recall there were many improvements in edgy over dapper such as boot up sequence and mounting things
[02:46] <gerro> sonoftheclayr: don't know anything about X adjustments though
[02:46] <sonoftheclayr> So unlike other operating systems (Windows *cough* *cough*) Ubuntu gets faster
[02:46] <pwuertz> sonoftheclayr: didn't realize any significant performance differences between edgy/feisty/gutsy
[02:47] <sonoftheclayr> pwuertz: I did, it was great! Everything loaded a couple of seconds faster
[02:47] <pwuertz> naa.... they tried to implement a new init system in edgy/feisty (upstart)... but they failed... I think development has stalled
[02:48] <gerro> so that was never added in?
[02:48] <gerro> I was wondering about using initg on my system
[02:48] <gerro> initng I mean sorry
[02:48] <ikonia> gerro could cause you pain
[02:48] <ikonia> gerro as all the scripts are aimed at upstart
[02:48] <pwuertz> gerro: it has been added... but its actually the same system... just with another name
[02:48] <Hobbsee> pwuertz: failed?  no, it was added in.
[02:48] <ikonia> pwuertz there are a few differences
[02:48] <Hobbsee> it's going slowly, but it's still moving.
[02:49] <bintut> hello all..
[02:49] <pwuertz> none of the improvements they planned for upstart have been implemented
[02:49] <penguincentral> !hi | bintut
[02:49] <ubotu> bintut: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[02:49] <ikonia> Hobbsee so initng will be an official init system at some point
[02:49] <ikonia> Hobbsee or an official available option I should say
[02:49] <Hobbsee> ikonia: uh, no.  where did i say that?
[02:49] <ikonia> Hobbsee perhaps I missunderstood, so it will just be a package in the repo
[02:49] <Hobbsee> ikonia: i was talking about upstart.
[02:49] <bintut> how can i create a usb installer for gutsby?
[02:49] <ikonia> oooh
[02:49] <gerro> ikonia: upstart and initng are different..
[02:50] <Hobbsee> initng is already a package in ubuntu, iirc
[02:50] <ikonia> I thought you where saying initng is moving - slowly
[02:50] <bintut> i don't have a cd-drive so i have to install ubuntu using a usb flash drive
[02:50] <Hobbsee> ikonia: no.
[02:50] <ikonia> my fault, missunderstood a half conversation
[02:50] <gerro> Hobbsee: where could I read up more on pros/cons of using initng on ubuntu?
[02:50] <ikonia> gerro the initng has some good info on it
[02:51] <ikonia> gerro once you understand how it works you can work out the differences it will cause in your ubuntu system
[02:51] <pwuertz> Hobbsee: right... you got a init system called "upstart"... but its basically the same old init system... you don't have parallel startup... you don't know if a daemon is running or not...
[02:51] <gerro> Hobbsee: I was looking for fast boot up and hibernating setup for my laptop
[02:51] <Hobbsee> pwuertz: true - at the moment.  it's being done in stages.
[02:51] <Hobbsee> gerro: google would be a good start, i suspect.  idont know any closer than that
[02:51] <ikonia> gerro upstart is pretty handy
[02:51] <gerro> pwuertz: what do you mean by parallel startup?
[02:51] <pwuertz> none of the targeted  features were implemented... and it's like a year ago
[02:52] <pwuertz> they managed to reimplement init ;)
[02:52] <ikonia> gerro CLFS did a good bit of research work on initng/sysVinit and depinit and the diggerences where not massive
[02:52] <Hobbsee> pwuertz: you will believe what you wish to believe, i see.
[02:52] <ikonia> gerro initng was quicker, but less reliable at error handling within the scripts
[02:52] <panosru> Hi, i installed firefox32 bit but the fonts are too big!
[02:52] <panosru> not the fonts of the content but the fonts of the browser
[02:52] <Hobbsee> pwuertz: i'd suggest reading keybuk's blog sometime.
[02:52] <gerro> I'm just totally confused seeing as most the documentation about setting up initng is related to breezy which is very old news
[02:52] <pwuertz> gerro: that means you can start the network and sound subsystem at the same time... without having to wait for one process to finish
[02:53] <ikonia> gerro probably the last time someone implimented initng as a serious option on ubuntu
[02:53] <gerro> pwuertz: long as I don't end up hearing my network card starting that would be fine
[02:53] <ikonia> so its the last time the docs got updated
[02:54] <gerro> but its still a fesible idea right?
[02:54] <ikonia> gerro possible, yes, worth the effort / support - probably not
[02:54] <pwuertz> Hobbsee: na... I'm just a little upset about people jumping around "yey, we are having that cool new upstart bootup thingie which is faster and better than anything else"... "no its not, its no different than plain ol init right now"
[02:55] <ikonia> pwuertz its quite different to sysVinit
[02:55] <Hobbsee> pwuertz: it is slightly faster, it seems.  but the real speed increases havent come in yet
[02:55] <Hobbsee> pwuertz: unfortunately, what comes from devland, and what users assume to be the case can be quite different.
[02:55] <gerro> so.... apt-get install initng and hope my system don't die?
[02:55] <ikonia> gerro no - its not that simple, or at least shouldn't be
[02:58] <gerro> tried checking initng ubuntu forum but there only 5 posts and site gives me browser errors :/
[02:59] <ikonia> gerro I really think you'll find it not worth the effort to change
[03:00] <gerro> this article sounds good "installing initng won't mess up the old init systems and you can easily go back when initng doesn't suit you or if it doesn't work." http://www.masuran.org/node/84
[03:01] <ikonia> gerro you need something thats ubuntu specific as ubuntu uses upstart - not sysVinit as most others do
[03:02] <gerro> yep...
[03:07] <bintut> is it possible to install ubuntu gutsy through network?
[03:07] <bintut> just like using the netinst in debian?
[03:07] <gerro> I tried that once
[03:08] <gerro> apparently if you use the netinst procedure of debian you can redirect it to install ubuntu at some point
[03:08] <gerro> I was using the floppy method for netinst debian though
[03:08] <gerro> I gave up on it though and uses instlux since laptop I was using at time had broken cdrom drive
[03:09] <DiThi> I'm back
[03:09] <bintut> gerro: in my case, i don't have a cd-rom drive
[03:09] <DiThi> without wifi
[03:09] <gerro> got a 4gb flash drive been working with setting up ubuntu on
[03:10] <DiThi> damn
[03:10] <bintut> gerro: i have here a 256mb ram usb flash drive
[03:10] <gerro> bintut: your best choice is the flash drive approach or instlux if you want to use dapper
[03:11] <bintut> hhmmm..
[03:11] <gerro> bintut: try setting up a minimal ubuntu install on that 256mb drive, then just apt-get install the desktop environment of your choice, login manager, and xserver-xorg
[03:11] <Apex> Nice ,fixed the sound events issue just by installing pulseaudio
[03:11] <Apex> Very nice
[03:12] <gerro> Apex: what is pulseaudio?
[03:12] <DiThi> wow, kopete and konqueror works again
[03:12] <DiThi> but no wifi =_=
[03:13] <bintut> gerro: yeah, i'll be doing that.. but, i'm looking for a minimal iso ubuntu image because i'm following this procedure => http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en
[03:13] <bintut> gerro: and all the iso images that i found are greater than 500mb of size
[03:14] <gerro> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download 7.04 there, I suggest the x86 version
[03:15] <gerro> hmm 492mb.. you might consider getting a new usb drive, they aren't that costly
[03:15] <gerro> bintut: a 1gb one would suit all your needs really
[03:17] <bintut> gerro: actually, i have here a 1gb usb flash drive but it contains personal files.. my last option is to copy the files inside the 1gb usb flash drive to some location and format my usb flash drive
[03:17] <gerro> bintut: you could try finding an online file server
[03:17] <bintut> gerro: i have some space here on my laptop
[03:18] <gerro> bintut: okay well try that then
[03:18] <gerro> bintut: because I think you have to do some sort of uncompression so it ends up being an even larger file, guide recommended I use 1gb usb drive at least
[03:18] <bintut> gerro: yeah..
[03:19] <bintut> yeah..
[03:19] <bintut> brb
[03:21] <natsume> hi, just try install gutsy few days ago, but i facing a problem where my application menu bar is not working ?
[03:21] <natsume> anybody know how to fix it ?
[03:22] <schnoodles> hello will gutsy have better sata controller support, as the previous ubuntu didnt seem to pick up my sata drive :\
[03:22] <LjL> schnoodles: different kernel, so maybe. you could try the live cd.
[03:22] <schnoodles> well 7.04 didnt find my sata drive, so i couldnt install it
[03:25] <stefg> !gutsy
[03:25] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[03:26] <savvas> schnoodles: motherboard brand and model ?
[03:26] <natsume> i wonder how to upgrade from tribe5 to beta release ?
[03:27] <savvas> natsume: alt-F2 and type: update-manager -d
[03:27] <stefg> natsume: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:27] <natsume> no updates
[03:27] <savvas> then you already did :)
[03:27] <natsume> but when i check /etc/issue
[03:27] <natsume> still development branch
[03:28] <stefg> which is still true
[03:28] <savvas> because it's still under development
[03:28] <natsume> ohhh
[03:28] <savvas> natsume: /topic
[03:28] <savvas> :P
[03:28] <natsume> so that means this bug still not fix ;)
[03:28] <natsume> my menu application cannot be view
[03:28] <stefg> natsume: this is why i gave you the !gutsy factoid .-)
[03:28] <JimQode> hello. is anyone using gutsy beta on virtualbox? X refuses to run with vbox drivers for me
[03:29] <savvas> natsume: what menu application?
[03:29] <gerro> JimQode: you compiled virtualbox for gutsy?
[03:29] <natsume> on top
[03:29] <natsume> menu on top
[03:29] <natsume> Applications
[03:29] <natsume> cannot be open
[03:29] <JimQode> gerro, no i'm running gutsy inside virtualbox
[03:30] <natsume> and when i click on logout menu, my pc hung
[03:30] <savvas> JimQode: #vbox
[03:30] <gerro> JimQode: oh which OS you using to run vbox?
[03:30] <JimQode> gerro, ubuntu feisty
[03:31] <savvas> sadly enough, virtualbox has problems running a lot of operating systems :\
[03:31] <gerro> natsume: ctrl alt f2 and see if you can login there check ps aux | less and dmesg see if any errors or odd status
[03:31] <penguincentral> i don't like vbox, and i couldn't get vmware server to install properly
[03:32] <delight> natsume: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/+bug/146883
[03:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146883 in gnome-menus "application menu is empty" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[03:32] <gerro> penguincentral: iMac + parallels is just dual booting, why not use grub for that?
[03:33] <penguincentral> gerro: u sure?
[03:33] <penguincentral> www.parallels.com
[03:33] <natsume> nothing happen ;)
[03:33] <stefg> gerro: you're confusing that with bootcamp
[03:37] <magzilla> Can anyone help me with a problem I've had since I upgraded to the Beta? When X starts I get a blank screen
[03:39] <LjL> magzilla: a blank *X* screen?
[03:39] <LjL> not terminal?
[03:39] <magzilla> LjL: yes
[03:39] <magzilla> if I press Ctrl Alt F1 I get terminal
[03:39] <LjL> magzilla: you actually mean just after starting X, or after trying to log in?
[03:40] <magzilla> just after starting X, I don't see a GUI log in screen
[03:40] <LjL> magzilla: what happens if you type 'startx' after logging in from terminal?
[03:41] <magzilla> I just got a fatal server error
[03:41] <magzilla> Server is already active for display 0
[03:46] <natsume> ermss
[03:46] <natsume> not working
[03:46] <natsume> ha ha ha
[03:47] <magzilla> Yeah I'd say so
[03:49] <magzilla> LjL: It also says if this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again
[03:49] <wers> where in gconf can I change font dpi?
[03:49] <LjL> magzilla: try again after doing  sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop 
[03:49] <wers> gnome-appearance-properties keeps crashing on me
[03:50] <magzilla> LjL: Ok, now when I do startx the screen flashed off then back on to a blank black screen
[03:51] <LjL> magzilla: pastebin the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[03:51] <LjL> magzilla: (you can use a browser such as w3m)
[03:53] <Laibsch> Since switching to gutsy my locales are messed up.  I have set LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8 and LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8 in /etc/environment.
[03:53] <LjL> magzilla: or the 'pastebinit' package, might be easier
[03:53] <Laibsch> The menus are still in German.  I searched through /etc and the dot-files in ~/ and found nothing that would explain this.
[03:53] <magzilla> hrm do I need to go into terminal to do that?
[03:54] <LjL> magzilla: yes, of course
[03:54] <LjL> magzilla: 1) sudo apt-get install pastebinit
[03:55] <magzilla> Ok got it installed
[03:55] <LjL> magzilla: 2) cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit -b http://pastebin.com
[03:55] <LjL> magzilla: give me the URL that is output
[03:56] <magzilla> http://pastebin.com/f132e047f
[03:58] <LjL> magzilla: uhm, it does seem to start correctly. try  X :0  and see if you get a *steady* blank screen that doesn't go away
[03:58] <LjL> actually, make that  sudo X :0 
[03:59] <magzilla> LjL: I did that command and it does the same thing - blank screen
[04:00] <LjL> magzilla: ok, is the ubuntu-desktop package installed? ( apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop )
[04:00] <LjL> or make that kubuntu-desktop if you're using kubuntu
[04:00] <magzilla> LjL: Yes it says installed: 1.74
[04:01] <LjL> magzilla: there is 1.75 available, try a  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade 
[04:02] <natsume> ermss
[04:02] <natsume> hehehe
[04:02] <natsume> not working
[04:03] <LjL> uhm, must be a funny bug
[04:03] <seisen> how do you get the cube enabled in gutsy
[04:03] <magzilla> LjL: download/installing now
[04:04] <seisen> I selected it in desktop effects but nothing
[04:04] <LjL> magzilla: when it's finished, try a  sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart . if you're lucky, maybe the bug's been fixed.
[04:04] <natsume> hehehe
[04:05] <natsume> poor magzilla
[04:05] <magzilla> ;(
[04:05] <magzilla> 7.04 worked ok lol
[04:05] <natsume> of course
[04:05] <natsume> because it stable realease
[04:05] <shiznit> wireless after hibernate works now
[04:06] <shiznit> im glad i upgraded
[04:06] <LjL> magzilla, 7.04 is a stable release, 7.10 is not. it's not supposed to be used unless you are *prepared* to see breakage, and fix it, and report bugs.
[04:06] <magzilla> LjL: Still a blank screen
[04:06] <seisen> has anybody got the cube to work with desktop effects?
[04:07] <shiznit> sure
[04:07] <natsume> not yet
[04:07] <magzilla> LjL: Yes, I understand
[04:07] <LjL> magzilla: try creating a new user.  sudo adduser testuser 
[04:07] <dmng> Are there current issues with Xorg? Just upgraded on my laptop and it seems like it's in an endless loop between switching from graphics to text mode...
[04:07] <natsume> coz i dont dare to get crash since i have to used my pc rite now
[04:07] <shiznit> whats wrong with the cube?
[04:07] <seisen> it won't even come up.
[04:07] <shiznit> i just tried and it works'
[04:07] <seisen> its an intel card
[04:08] <shiznit> did you enable rotate cube
[04:08] <seisen> yes
[04:08] <shiznit> mine is intel too
[04:08] <LjL> magzilla: answer the questions (you can leave everything blank, just give it a password), then type  sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop, then log in as that user in another terminal, and type  startx  from there
[04:08] <natsume> i wondering
[04:08] <natsume> is there any tutorial to skinning my ubuntu to look like mac ;))
[04:08] <seisen> its enabled now and it doesn't even come up
[04:09] <seisen> if I hit ctrl+alt+left or right key I get nothing
[04:09] <shiznit> hmm
[04:09] <magzilla> LjL: in another terminal?
[04:09] <seisen> do I need to edit xorg.conf
[04:09] <shiznit> no idea
[04:09] <shiznit> im noob
[04:09] <seisen> so it just worked for you then
[04:10] <seisen> you just enabled it in desktop effects?
[04:10] <shiznit> its always worked
[04:10] <MTecknology> If I needed u2swap and such for 7.04, will i probably need to use it in 7.10?
[04:10] <shiznit> i enable it with the compiz config manager
[04:11] <magzilla> LjL: after creating the new user account, I typed exit and went back to the login screen on terminal, logged in as the new user and did startx
[04:11] <LjL> magzilla: the  sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop  must be in the same terminal, the  startx  must be in *another* terminal, where you login as the "testuser" user
[04:11] <LjL> magzilla: make sure gdm is stopped
[04:12] <magzilla> Yes its stopped
[04:12] <LjL> magzilla: i assume it's still a blank screen then?
[04:12] <magzilla> LjL: Yes
[04:12] <seisen> the windows wobble but no cube
[04:13] <seisen> its enabled in compiz config manager
[04:14] <shiznit> try asking in the compiz channel maybe
[04:14] <dmng> Is it possible to downgrade back to fiesty (from gutsy) by simply changing sources.list?
[04:14] <seisen> which is what #compiz
[04:14] <Hobbsee> dmng: no.  do a clean install.
[04:14] <shiznit> #compiz-fusin
[04:14] <LjL> magzilla: try this from your old user.  sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop ; sudo X :0 ; DISPLAY=:0 gnome-terminal 
[04:14] <dmng> ie from a live CD right?
[04:14] <seisen> thanks
[04:14] <shiznit> fusion*
[04:14] <LjL> magzilla: see if a terminal comes up on the otherwise blank screen
[04:15] <Hobbsee> dmng: yeah, or an alternate cd of feisty.
[04:15] <dmng> Ok thanks, just asking because I swapped my drive bay for an extra battery and I can't find the drive now ;)
[04:16] <magzilla> LjL: X started, blank screen, additional terminal window is not visible
[04:18] <natsume> magzilla,
[04:18] <natsume> http://tuxicity.wordpress.com/2007/09/07/new-in-ubuntu-gutsy-gibbon-bullet-proof-x/
[04:18] <LjL> magzilla: from the terminal, type again  DISPLAY=:0 gnome-terminal , what does it say?
[04:18] <natsume> maybe can help u
[04:20] <magzilla> LjL: (gnome-terminal:19679): Gtk-WARNING **:cannot open display:
[04:20] <LjL> magzilla: you haven't killed the blank X screen, have you?
[04:20] <magzilla> LjL: I did ctrl alt backspace
[04:21] <LjL> magzilla: oh, try with it running. do  X :0 &  first
[04:21] <LjL> then do  DISPLAY=:0 gnome-terminal 
[04:22] <magzilla> ok I did sudo X :0& and it went to the blank screen
[04:22] <LjL> ok, go back to the terminal
[04:22] <LjL> but *without* doing ctrl+alt+backspace
[04:22] <LjL> just ctrl+alt+f#
[04:22] <magzilla> ah ok
[04:22] <LjL> then  DISPLAY=:0 gnome-terminal 
[04:23] <toresbe> hello!
[04:23] <toresbe> I've got a weird problem with /dev/mapper/*. They seem to all be symlinks to themselves.
[04:23] <LjL> magzilla: then go back to X with ctrl+alt+f7, and see if the terminal is there
[04:23] <LjL> i don't have a /dev/mapper directory
[04:23] <magzilla> LjL: it says /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found
[04:23] <NightBird> ok, it's not loading the usb device I just inserted... what do I need to do to be able to open it?(it's a usb thumb drive)
[04:24] <toresbe> LjL: I think it's an LVM-only thing
[04:24] <LjL> magzilla: and then goes back to the shell prompt?
[04:24] <LjL> toresbe: i see
[04:24] <NightBird> dmesg shows that the kernel recognises that it's been inserted
[04:24] <toresbe> anyway, when I use /dev/sdb1 I get even weirder problems.
[04:24] <magzilla> LjL: I have a blinking cursor but no shell prompt
[04:24] <LjL> magzilla: ok, then ctrl+alt+f7 and see if the terminal is on your X screen
[04:25] <magzilla> LjL: Now I have a blank screen with blinking cursor at top
[04:25] <toresbe> LjL: http://nopaste.org/p/aKinluP5
[04:26] <LjL> magzilla: uhm, that's certainly not your X screen. perhaps it's somewhere else - ctrl+alt+f8, or ctrl+alt+f9.... you're *sure* you didn't kill X this time?
[04:26] <NightBird> magzilla: how many lines does this command print out: "ps aux | grep X"
[04:26] <magzilla> LjL:  Ok ctrl alt f9 is the blank X screen - no terminal window inside it visible though
[04:26] <LjL> toresbe: it's an interesting behavior no doubts, but i don't have a clue what to try in order to fix it :)
[04:27] <toresbe> LjL: any hints?
[04:27] <toresbe> I mean, uh, any hints for where I could go with this?
[04:27] <NightBird> LjL: you are the popular one today
[04:27] <LjL> toresbe: no, i've never seen something like that i think. only hint is, go to http://bugs.ubuntu.com and report a bug if it's not there already
[04:29] <LjL> magzilla: now that's kind of weird. you don't have Xgl installed, i assume (your Xorg log would hint to "no" anyway)
[04:29] <magzilla> LjL: I have not consciously installed it, no
[04:31] <LjL> toresbe: these are all the reports that contain that error: http://tinyurl.com/29h2jg - at first sight, no one seems very relevant to your problem, look at them though. if you agree that they're not relevant, report a new bug. give the details that you've just given to me, including the paste, and perhaps also give the output of "mount" and "fdisk -l /dev/sdb"
[04:31] <toresbe> LjL: thanks. I've taken it up in #-devel, and I'm reporting a bug.
[04:32] <LjL> magzilla: ps aux | grep X    - give me the output
[04:33] <MTecknology> Is there any more work being done on sleep/hibernate or is it time for me to get u2swap working?
[04:33] <magzilla> LjL: avahi 5557 0.0 0.2 2736 1380 ?  Ss 09:33 0:00 avahi-daemon:running [Pixie.local] 
[04:33] <MTecknology> s2ram & s2disk **
[04:33] <LjL> magzilla, grep X, uppercase X
[04:34] <magzilla> LjL: maggie 19753 0.0 0.1 2976 752 tty1 R+ 10:32 0:00 grep X
[04:34] <LjL> uh
[04:34] <LjL> but there's no uppercase X in the first line...
[04:34] <LjL> anyway
[04:34] <magzilla> LjL: thats what it gave me lol
[04:34] <LjL> magzilla: so it appears that X is *not* running. but do you still have that blank X screen on ctrl+alt+f9 or whatever?
[04:35] <magzilla> LjL: yes, maybe its not X?
[04:35] <LjL> magzilla: maybe. but you're certainly saying it's different from a terminal? what exactly does it look like? color? do you have a mouse cursor there?
[04:36] <dmng> It is just a blinking cursor in the upper left of the screen?
[04:36] <magzilla> LjL: no mouse cursor, all black screen with flashing cursor at top left corner
[04:36] <dmng> Because that's what I'm getting also =/
[04:36] <LjL> magzilla: ah but that's not X, as i said before... that's *all* you ever got?
[04:37] <magzilla> LjL: no, when I startx I get a blank screen - no cursor
[04:37] <LjL> magzilla: blank as in "black"?
[04:37] <foxiness_> hi ubuntu see the access point secure "need key" when it is not needed "open" ,if i want to send this like a bug "if this a bug" what info needed by ubuntu team?
[04:37] <magzilla> LjL: yes... well it could be a very dark blue.. but you can def see the back lighting coming through on my LCD screen
[04:38] <LjL> magzilla: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit -b http://pastebin.com
[04:38] <LjL> gimme output
[04:38] <mikedep333> hey, what's the best way to scan my evolution email for viruses (either for evolution specifically or for all POP3/SMTP mail?)
[04:39] <mikedep333> I see that there is clamav-milter
[04:39] <mikedep333> which works with sendmail
[04:39] <mikedep333> does evolution use sendmail?
[04:39] <LjL> mikedep333: klamav works with evolution
[04:39] <LjL> at least so it klaims
[04:39] <magzilla> LjL: no such file or directory.. I think I deleted it following some tips on the debugging webpage
[04:39] <LjL> ?!?
[04:40] <LjL> duh, then of course it doesn't start :)
[04:40] <LjL> magzilla:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg 
[04:40] <mikedep333> lol, Kthanks
[04:40] <LjL> dmng: what about you, do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[04:40] <dmng> yep
[04:40] <dmng> I am getting a backtrace actually when I startx
[04:41] <LjL> dmng: ouch, that doesn't sound good
[04:41] <dmng> Inconsistency detected by ld.so ...
[04:41] <LjL> dmng: have you done a  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  to make sure you have the latest version of everything?
[04:41] <dmng> yep, I actually use aptitude, same thing right?
[04:41] <LjL> yeah
[04:42] <LjL> dmng: like this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/128891
[04:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128891 in xorg "inconsistency detected by ld.so" [Undecided,Invalid] 
[04:42] <magzilla> LjL: I accepted all the defaults and same problem when I startx
[04:42] <LjL> magzilla: now you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf though i hope?
[04:43] <magzilla> LjL: yep
[04:43] <LjL> magzilla: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit -b http://pastebin.com
[04:43] <LjL> (yes, the same as you did before)
[04:44] <dmng> Yep LjL, that's what I am getting
[04:44] <sacater> My Ubuntu Gutsy tribe 5 on my laptop gives me 'Failed to mount "Earth"', you are not privileged to mount the volume "Earth", earth is my memory device. None of my memory sticks work on my laptop, the laptop always gives this sort of message
[04:45] <magzilla> LjL: http://pastebin.com/faf2e1
[04:46] <LjL> dmng: then 1) change your APT mirrors to archive.ubuntu.com in sources.list, since that's the most updated repository 2) run  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  to make very sure you have the very latest versions of stuff 3) if the problem still occurs, reopen that bug report (by clicking on "Status" and changing it) and add a comment, giving your stack trace
[04:46] <avatar_> sacater: try changing youre username to 'atlas'
[04:47] <dmng> ok thanks LjL
[04:47] <dmng> I already did those things so I guess it's still an issue
[04:48] <LjL> magzilla: do the same with /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:48] <LjL> dmng: won't hurt to do it again, there are packages that were uploaded within the last 10 minutes or so
[04:49] <dmng> yep I saw it was downloading some, but dist-upgrade did nothing...
[04:49] <LjL> dmng: then report the bug
[04:49] <magzilla> LjL: http://pastebin.com/f19d4ee82
[04:49] <dmng> k
[04:49] <elmargol> Today I installed gutsy on a second partition. Now I can't use alsa anymore :( I have to use OSS
[04:49] <elmargol> Any Ideas?
[04:49] <LjL> dmng: of course you don't have any third party repositories enabled?
[04:49] <elmargol> 01:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)
[04:50] <dmng> Nope LjL
[04:50] <LjL> magzilla: where it says Driver   "ati", change that to "vesa", and see if it then works (by doing, as usual,  sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart )
[04:50] <LjL> magzilla: you can use  sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf  to edit the file
[04:51] <dmng> They mention in that thread that downgrading xorg fixed it in the meantime, how would I do that?
[04:52] <LjL> dmng: sudo apt-get install packagename=versionnumber  -  you'll probably need to have the Feisty repositories in your sources.list for that to work.
[04:52] <LjL> post your current stacktrace first, though
[04:52] <dmng> ok
[04:52] <sacater> avatar_: what will that achieve
[04:52] <dmng> thanks
[04:52] <LjL> dmng: you can use the 'pastebinit' package to post it to a paste site, since you can't just copy it in X
[04:53] <magzilla> LjL:  that worked!
[04:53] <LjL> startx 2>&1 | pastebinit
[04:53] <LjL> magzilla: ok, but now you're using a very un-accelerated video driver
[04:53] <dmng> cool thanks for the tip
[04:53] <magzilla> LjL: Yeah, I have a couple of applet errors
[04:53] <LjL> magzilla: you could probably try installing the proprietary ATI driver (if you don't have an issue with the proprietariness)
[04:53] <LjL> applet errors?
[04:54] <magzilla> LjL: panel encountered problem while loading OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet and OAFIID:GNOME_Panel_TrashApplet
[04:55] <LjL> uhm, not sure that's related with the video problems though
[04:55] <dmng> do I need to give pastebinit a URL?
[04:55] <magzilla> maybe not, but it came up when i logged in
[04:56] <LjL> dmng: probably. try    | pastebinit -b http://pastebin.com
[04:57] <avatar_> sacater: atlas has some experience with earth (search wikipedia for atlas mythogie)
[04:57] <LjL> magzilla, i'm not very familiar with the proprietary ATI drivers, but in short it should be  sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx , then  sudo depmod -a , then edit xorg.conf again and change "vesa" into "fglrx", and if that fails, follow the instructions for *Edgy* at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI
[04:58] <dmng> cool thanks LjL, this look right? http://pastebin.com/f31c7c0eb
[04:58] <magzilla> LjL: I will try it out, thanks for your help!
[05:00] <LjL> dmng: well, no, it looks... very wrong ;) but yes, it looks right. make sure you also give them 1) your graphics card model 2) the driver you're using ( grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf )
[05:01] <dmng> ok
[05:05] <edulix> hi
[05:05] <yeniklasorr> I have upgraded to Gutsy Gubbon. I have a problem with sound (alsa installed). What can I do
[05:05] <edulix> where can I find gutsy in CD? why is it distributed in DVDs?
[05:06] <edulix> it takes 3 hours to download using a 300kb/s  connection :(
[05:07] <stdin> edulix: http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ ?
[05:09] <edulix> stdin: uhm thanks
[05:10] <natsume> ahhh my isp sucks, doest not support channel bonding
[05:10] <Evanlec> will there be a gutsy DVD release?
[05:10] <natsume> october
[05:10] <Evanlec> whats on the DVD thats not on the CD?
[05:10] <TheInfinity> looots of packages
[05:11] <Evanlec> for offline installs maybe?
[05:11] <TheInfinity> if you have internet access the cd is the better choice
[05:11] <Evanlec> yea thats sorta what i thot
[05:11] <stdin> !dvd
[05:11] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[05:11] <stdin> hmm
[05:12] <stdin> Evanlec: you can already get a Gutsy DVD
[05:13] <Evanlec> stdin, but why? ;p
[05:13] <hjmills> hi - I noticed desktop effects was enabled after the last update I did - is it stable enough for everyday usage yet?
[05:13] <stdin> because it's released like the CD image, for each Tribe and Beta
[05:14] <Evanlec> but thats a big download for a beta project
[05:14] <Evanlec> hjmills, yes..
[05:15] <hjmills> Evanlec, so there won't be lots of crashes and it will look nice and pretty?
[05:16] <Evanlec> hjmills, they wouldnt have included it by default if it was unstable
[05:16] <hjmills> Evanlec, ok, thanks - I'll give it a go
[05:17] <MTecknology> idk if i can stay awake to finish this class
[05:23] <savvas> where is the "open with" menu stored so I can edit it? I have two entries o gimp image editor, and one doesn't work, probably because the /home/ partition was not formatted :)
[05:25] <savvas> ah found it
[05:25] <nox-Hand> Is it semi-safe to upgrade to Gutsy? I can fix dependancies and bugs no problem, it's more I dont want a corrupt file system
[05:25] <_dan_> semi-safe
[05:25] <_dan_> yes
[05:25] <nox-Hand> _dan_: Nicely put
[05:25] <nox-Hand> Anyone got a link to the howto upgrade from Feisty?
[05:26] <_dan_> update-manager -d
[05:26] <shiznit> gutsy actully fixed problems for me lol
[05:26] <gnomefreak> oh thanks for reminding me
[05:26] <Pici> !beta | nox-Hand should be in release notes
[05:26] <ubotu> nox-Hand should be in release notes: Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+1
[05:27] <nox-Hand> Oh, should I change my sources.list to a rather... regular one before upgrading?
[05:27] <nox-Hand> I have a quite.. custom one :)
[05:27] <magzilla> LjL: fglrx drivers did not work for me. Should this be submitted as a bug with my particular video card chipset?
[05:27] <Evanlec> nox-Hand, yes!
[05:27] <nox-Hand> Evanlec: Cheers
[05:28] <LjL> probably should, magzilla. include the full Xorg.0.log
[05:29] <gnomefreak> yeah normally include you xorg.conf as well
[05:31] <magzilla> my buddy says there is nothing that can be done about this because its an ATI 7xxxx chipset
[05:31] <kRush> is there a simple setup for a local dns cache? preferably independent of connection type
[05:31] <magzilla> and ati binary driver does not support it
[05:32] <capiira> hmm hi hi is gutsy kinda runable yet?
[05:32] <Crozar> compiz is completely removed from Gusty how to get them back?
[05:33] <capiira> i mean does gutsy have any hardcore errors?
[05:33] <kRush> probably not
[05:33] <Crozar> capiira: its running like a charm , good =) yes butt i did a mistake ( i had compiz on feisty and i forgot to uninstall it before going to gusty ) so i updated and now in gusty i removed compiz and now i want it back . so if u want to update capiira just dont forget to uninstall compiz if u got completely remove it
[05:34] <scizzo-> Crozar: gutsy is running compiz-fusion
[05:34] <capiira> like yeah
[05:34] <capiira> maybe a simple apt-get install compiz-fusion does the trick
[05:35] <Crozar> scizzo-:  yes i know! ( but i removed it ) how to get it back
[05:35] <kRush> nah the meta package is still compiz
[05:35] <capiira> ahh ok
[05:35] <Crozar> scizzo-: i had compiz-fusion version 0.6 with feisty [05:35] <capiira> ahh ok im running the father of ubuntu :D
[05:35] <gnomefreak> crimsun: next time your around, Is there something we can do with the esd error in terminal? disabling esd doesnt help.
[05:35] <apecat> will gutsy be distributed only on dvd?
[05:36] <gnomefreak> no
[05:36] <gnomefreak> apecat: cd dvd and ISO
[05:36] <savvas> nox-Hand: it's stable enough here, some bugs here and there, but manageable :P
[05:36] <apecat> ah, good
[05:36] <capiira> but i wonder how can they add it if its not stable yet?!?!?!
[05:36] <capiira> i mean the compiz fusion stuff
[05:36] <gnomefreak> looks like the fix for upgrade with envy iwill make it to repos today :)
[05:36] <scizzo-> Crozar: apt-get install compiz-gnome compiz-fusion-plugins-extra ubuntu-desktop
[05:37] <gnomefreak> mainly for nvidia since we havent been able to test ati :(
[05:37] <savvas> Crozar: you have to delete your config files in your home dir for compiz if you had it installed before
[05:37] <kRush> capiira,  it's pretty stable and polished actually
[05:37] <Crozar> the whole compiz folder ?
[05:37] <capiira> hmmm
[05:37] <Crozar> savvas:  u sure???
[05:37] <savvas> Crozar: well they reported several bugs with it
[05:37] <shiznit> ty gnomefreak, i counldt get nvidia working on feisty w/o Envy
[05:37] <nox-Hand> savvas: Good tradeoff :)
[05:38] <Crozar> savvas: yes first bug i cant see the barpanel ontop of a window
[05:38] <savvas> Crozar: maybe you didn't follow the right steps
[05:38] <gnomefreak> shiznit: it should work cant promise it but mvo is great with that so i trust him (maintainer of apt/dpkg/smart kind of have to  trust him :)
[05:38] <capiira> is the universe and multiverse already online for gutsy?
[05:38] <savvas> Crozar: http://medigeek.blogspot.com/2007/09/ubuntu-unveil-real-power-of-compiz.html
[05:39] <gnomefreak> capiira: yes
[05:39] <Crozar> scizzo-: what version is  apt-get install compiz-gnome compiz-fusion-plugins-extra ubuntu-desktop ??? will it give me latest 0.6?
[05:39] <capiira> ahh fine
[05:39] <gnomefreak> capiira: partner repos are not
[05:39] <DanaG> Argh, recent HAL updates have re-broken my brightness control.
[05:39] <gnomefreak> backports are not
[05:39] <capiira> what are partner repos ?
[05:39] <nox-Hand> capiira: Although one says Compiz Fusion is not unstable, it depends on the release. Being 0.5.2 doesn't mean it's not stable, it merely means it is not *complete* Version 1.0 will have all that the developers feel C-Fusion should have. V 0.5.2 is quite stable nonetheless, as it is a general release version. Bugs fixed, and no radical unstable new SVN features added.
[05:39] <scizzo-> Crozar: you haven't had much experience with apt-get have you
[05:39] <scizzo-> Crozar: ?
[05:39] <gnomefreak> capiira: what used to be name the commercial repo
[05:39] <scizzo-> Crozar: or linux in itself?
[05:39] <capiira> ahh ok
[05:39] <Crozar> scizzo-: i did alot ! , and when i installed compiz on feisty i did the manual method Fyda's tutorial with no questions asked
[05:40] <gnomefreak> capiira: with clean install it gets put into you sources.list for you
[05:40] <LjL> kRush: ah sorry, i'm taking questions from a bot, i had misread the channel name :)
[05:40] <DanaG> Now if I start at full brightness, I have to hit the brightness-down hotkey FIVE times before I reach the next brightness level.
[05:40] <apecat> are there any fairly recent feisty installer images (preferabley alt. cds) available somewhere, the beta seems to be dvd only.. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/
[05:40] <scizzo-> Crozar: ok..that answered my question actually
[05:40] <Crozar> scizzo-: i know many things i can creat scripts to do me jobs i might be in helpNsupporT maybe in 2months or so.
[05:40] <capiira> i'm going to try it out, downloading right now
[05:40] <DanaG> And during the 5 keystrokes in between, the LCD backlight is entirely OFF!
[05:40] <savvas> apecat: http://releases.ubuntu.com
[05:40] <sacater> avatar_: oh ha ha
[05:40] <gnomefreak> apecat: gutsy or feisty?
[05:40] <scizzo-> Version: 1:0.5.2+git20070928-0ubuntu1
[05:40] <scizzo-> is the version of compiz I have
[05:41] <Crozar> scizzo-: im angry because i have the 0.52 compiz now when i used to have 0.6 on feisty
[05:41] <gnomefreak> !daily | apecat  (this is for gutsy cds)
[05:41] <ubotu> apecat  (this is for gutsy cds): Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[05:41] <scizzo-> Crozar: you are always angry
[05:41] <apecat> gnomefreak, savvas sry meant gutsy, but releases.ubuntu solved the problem
[05:41] <savvas> :)
[05:41] <savvas> ol' cdimage visitors :P
[05:41] <DanaG> hal (0.5.9.1-1ubuntu9) gutsy; urgency=low
[05:41] <DanaG>   * debian/patches/64_read_brightness_not_actual_brightness.patch: Read the brightness from /sys/class/backlight/foo/brightness, not actual_brightness. It makes more sense to change based on the brightness that we wanted to set, not the brightness that we actually set.
[05:41] <Crozar> why did u let me do the auto download install apt-get and i sho uld have done it with getit from the reporository where i can get 0.6
[05:42] <gnomefreak> lol @ why did you let me
[05:42] <Crozar> scizzo-: ok i have compiz now how to start it?
[05:42] <DanaG> WTF?  Wheres the logic in that?  Oh, I asked you for 50 bucks but you only gave me 10.  Oh well, I'll just act like you gave me 50.
[05:43] <scizzo-> Crozar: from the System-> Preferences -> something
[05:43] <Crozar> doesnt work
[05:43] <Crozar> scizzo-: i dont haVe compiz it says
[05:43] <scizzo-> Crozar: well then apt-get install compiz
[05:43] <Crozar> i did
[05:43] <scizzo-> dpkg -l | grep compiz
[05:44] <scizzo-> put the output in a pastebin and send us the link
[05:46] <Crozar> scizzo-: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39272/report/
[05:47] <scizzo-> Crozar: it looks right
[05:48] <Crozar> must i restart X?
[05:48] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121833
[05:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete] 
[05:49] <scizzo-> Crozar: what does the terminal say if you: compiz --replace
[05:49] <Crozar> scizzo-: it says desktop effects could not be loaded thats in apprearances in system = prefrenaces
[05:49] <scizzo-> Crozar: what does the terminal say if you: compiz --replace
[05:50] <Crozar> ok
[05:50] <Crozar> scizzo-: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39273/report/
[05:52] <scizzo-> well you can try to restart X I am not sure if it will work anyway
[05:54] <Crozar> doesnt work
[05:54] <Crozar> scizzo-: :(
[05:55] <kRush> Crozar, how much vram does your card have?
[05:55] <Crozar> kRush: i mean compiz works lol
[05:55] <Crozar> but doesnt work now :(
[05:55] <scizzo-> you mean it worked in feisty
[05:55] <kRush> that makes no sense to me
[05:55] <Crozar> kRush: no body told me that i must uninstall compiz and emerald before updating to gusty
[05:55] <scizzo-> and you want the use the same settings as in feisty
[05:56] <Crozar> noooooooooo
[05:56] <Crozar> when i updated it was working but didnt feel that compiz was built it , it rather felt like it was exactly like feisty however 1 problem i cant see the bars ontop of any window
[05:57] <Klau1> Hello, everyone! Is having completely white rectangles where there should be windows when using desktop effects with nvidia-glx with a geforce6800gt on the gutsy beta a known bug?
[05:57] <Crozar> can i ask a question:? you guys had feisty did u have compiz aswell in it? not using apt-get install but doing them manually through reprositiries and useing getit ect.. creating each file manually ?
[05:57] <Crozar> if u did what happened when u upgraded to gusty>?
[05:58] <Crozar> and if u say its ok then thats not a bug thats my problem
[05:58] <Dr_willis> Im using a 8800gtsxxx here. clean install.. compiz is working fine. ( Just my comment) :)
[05:58] <Dr_willis> i dont do 'upgrades'  - i always do a clean install..
[05:58] <scizzo-> Crozar: apt-get is using the same repos as the normal tools
[05:58] <scizzo-> Crozar: for example the update tool is using the exact same repos
[05:59] <Crozar> scizzo-:  but apt-get got me version .5.2 i think u didnt know ? that apt-get gets from the ubuntu side and its not updated when the oringinal compiz updates so i had to get them manually an expert way
[06:00] <Crozar> let me conclude ( i will format happy? ) or ( this problem must be known! ? )
[06:00] <scizzo-> Crozar: cause the repos are from ubuntu originally....
[06:00] <Crozar> zzzzz :(
[06:00] <scizzo-> Crozar: you are expecting answers in 2 secs
[06:00] <Crozar> scizzo-: did any1"??? anyone here updated from feisty to gusty>?
[06:00] <scizzo-> Crozar: you are saying that you want 0.6 which surely comes from a backport or something that someone has done
[06:01] <Crozar> did some1 update from feisty to gusty?
[06:01] <savvas> I have
[06:01] <scizzo-> Crozar: the compiz-fusion stuff that you got is the compiz-fusion version that is standard from ubuntu repos
[06:01] <Crozar> savvas: did you have comipz infeisty?
[06:01] <Crozar> i hope u did
[06:01] <savvas> nope sorry
[06:01] <Crozar> damn
[06:01] <Crozar> :(
[06:01] <Crozar> i had FFS
[06:01] <Crozar> looks like im going to format
[06:02] <Crozar> and my friends also
[06:02] <Crozar> and my cousins
[06:02] <savvas> so.. removing the compiz folder isn't working?
[06:02] <Nalleman>  Well guys and girls. I just upgraded to gusty and now i got a terrible lag (about 2 fps). Is there someone here that know what might be wrong?
[06:02] <scizzo-> Nalleman: ummm...lagg where and how?
[06:02] <Crozar> see every1 had compiz in feisty and how will they go for gusty if they cant use the gusty compiz built in but still use the compiz- fusion from feisty
[06:03] <savvas> Crozar: removing the compiz folder isn't working?
[06:03] <Crozar> savvas: no
[06:03] <scizzo-> savvas: he is not testing
[06:03] <Crozar> where is the foldeR?
[06:03] <Crozar> lo
[06:03] <Nalleman> When i move windows on my desktop. i tried to run glxgears but x crashed
[06:03] <scizzo-> savvas: he wants us to flicker the magic wand and hope to get it going without testing things...
[06:03] <gnomefreak> Crozar: havent gotten there yet but im sure it will be worked out (on upgrade old packages get replaced by newer versions
[06:04] <Crozar> savvas: compiz folder is deleted long time
[06:04] <scizzo-> Nalleman: hmmm nvidia right?
[06:04] <Crozar> gnomefreak: u mean when gusty is updated to full release will they give us a better compiz and make things work again?
[06:04] <scizzo-> its working for me... :D
[06:04] <Crozar> gnomefreak: my question is the compiz in gusty is like feisty ? the one with the icon in the system try that looks blue and has a mousepointer on it?
[06:05] <Nalleman> scizzo-, no, intel 945 or something like that (an internal graphics card)
[06:05] <savvas> Crozar: you could always file a bug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug
[06:05] <gnomefreak> Crozar: depends is it better cant tell you that is personal opinion
[06:05] <kRush> it's not a bug
[06:05] <scizzo-> Nalleman: hmmm.....intel has been on topic of many things in launchpad
[06:05] <kRush> it's pebkac
[06:05] <gnomefreak> Crozar: if using feisty official compiz packages yes it is better
[06:05] <Nalleman> scizzo-, darn..
[06:06] <scizzo-> Nalleman: try to check with launchpad
[06:06] <savvas> lol
[06:06] <Crozar> gnomefreak: because i had compiz-fusion 0.6 from feisty but then i updated to gusty with my compiz :( and then compiz works in gusty but still same icon same thing didnt feel its built in so i thought theyrs no change then i see a bug i cant see the panel ontop of any window that has minimize maximize close , so i removed compiz and now i want it back :(
[06:06] <gnomefreak> if using trivenos yes its better if using Amaranth i cant tell you but its of good quility
[06:06] <scizzo-> Nalleman: might be something there...I am using nvidia myself and know that glxgears crashes X well the whole machine actually
[06:06] <gnomefreak> compiz-fustion was not in feisty so you had to get it from outside repo
[06:07] <shearn89> hey all - trying to update my server edition, getting this error: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m7b9a4383
[06:07] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: thank you
[06:07] <Crozar> gnomefreak: yes
[06:07] <savvas> so it wasn't supported, cute
[06:07] <Crozar> gnomefreak: how to get compiz back thats my quiestion
[06:08] <savvas> Crozar: the way I upgraded was this: I ran ubuntu gutsy gibbon live cd, formatted the root partition, and kept my files in /home/, which is probably what you should do, keep a separate partition for /home/
[06:08] <Crozar> can i format my ubuntu drive without touching my windows drive and then install fresh copy of gusty in the same ubuntu drive?
[06:08] <scizzo-> shearn89: problem in a file for do-release-upgrade it seems
[06:08] <gnomefreak> Crozar: on gutsy install ubuntu-desktop should help you with that. if not well using a 3rd party packages isnt supported by ubuntu so you may have to remove them all and install gutsys
[06:08] <gnomefreak> Crozar: yes
[06:08] <gnomefreak> thats easy
[06:08] <shearn89> scizzo-: should i try installing update-manager as well as update-manager-core?
[06:08] <gnomefreak> Crozar: and smart :) you will see things that you didnt see on upgrade
[06:09] <gnomefreak> shearn89: why dont you have it?
[06:09] <scizzo-> shearn89: yeah try that
[06:09] <gnomefreak> its kind of hard to misplace
[06:09] <scizzo-> shearn89: seems that it can't find the modules.....
[06:09] <Crozar> gnomefreak: i will do that , but pleaseeeeeeeeea anybody some1 just put a sign do not upgrade  if ug ot compiz or other things like that , just say upgradeing is bad stick it up
[06:09] <gnomefreak> if you have ubuntu-desktop it should be there
[06:09] <shearn89> scizzo: i'm on a server - just looked at the update wiki-type page and said to install update-manager-core...
[06:09] <gnomefreak> Crozar: upgrade is fairly unsafe atm its being worked on this week in depth
[06:10] <shearn89> scizzo-: update-manager is installing now.
[06:10] <scizzo-> shearn89: hehe....well should work then.. :D
[06:10] <gnomefreak> install update-manager will install -core for you
[06:10] <savvas> Crozar: it's bad when you have packages outside the repositories, that's a risk they all take by putting extra repos in the first place
[06:10] <gnomefreak> and a bunch of X apps
[06:10] <shearn89> cheers guys. i'll get back if it doesn't work.
[06:10] <kRush> Crozar, what part of  | Please *don't* run Gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc |  did you not understand?
[06:11] <gnomefreak> Crozar: we cant support that as well as people would like to,
[06:11] <gnomefreak> lol kRush
[06:11] <savvas> :p
[06:11] <Crozar> gnomefreak: if you can tell them about this bug also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/81057
[06:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 81057 in ubuntu "DNS Resolves everything to 1.0.0.0 intermittently on some ADSL Routers" [Undecided,Incomplete] 
[06:11] <scizzo-> kRush: thats actually what I said before
[06:11] <gnomefreak> kRush: i do have to say if you can run sudo dpkg -i update-manager than the users seem to think that is enough
[06:12] <scizzo-> kRush: the answer was that he followed a guide and he was angry or something... :P
[06:12] <Crozar> gnomefreak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/81057 this bug is with Edgy and aswell in Gusty
[06:12] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: apt-get moo
[06:12] <gnomefreak> Crozar: what does that have to do with compiz
[06:12] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: all you need to know
[06:12] <Crozar> gnomefreak: but that bug didnt occur with FEISTY!!! do you know why
[06:12] <gnomefreak> Crozar: yes i do
[06:12] <Crozar> gnomefreak: people dont have 1 question and go lol i have several
[06:12] <gnomefreak> Crozar: gutsy is NOT feisty :)
[06:13] <Crozar> and edgy is not feisty?
[06:13] <savvas> oh brother
[06:13] <gnomefreak> Crozar: totally new network-manager
[06:13] <Crozar> gnomefreak: so feisty is not gusty?
[06:13] <scizzo-> Crozar: no
[06:13] <gnomefreak> Crozar: your not understanding edgy+feisty were fairly close to eachother
[06:13] <scizzo-> Crozar: feisty is not gutsy......dapper is not edgy and so on
[06:13] <Crozar> gnomefreak: i believe the approach of gusty is from the checkpoint on Edgy right?
[06:13] <gnomefreak> Crozar: everything works differnet in gutsy
[06:13] <Crozar> gnomefreak: in feisty i havent had this bug problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/81057
[06:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 81057 in ubuntu "DNS Resolves everything to 1.0.0.0 intermittently on some ADSL Routers" [Undecided,Incomplete] 
[06:14] <scizzo-> ok...I will leave this one to gnomefreak he is the man the myth the legend now... :D
[06:14] <gnomefreak> Crozar: many features that were in edgy/feisty/dapper have been upgraded to work
[06:14] <kRush> wish I had your patience, I'm outta here for now.
[06:14] <gnomefreak> example compiz in feisty not same as compiz in gutsy although same name
[06:14] <savvas> Crozar: /me grabs some chips and shares with scizzo- :p
[06:14] <scizzo-> savvas: I got widescreen
[06:15] <savvas> ooh great, better view :)
[06:15] <scizzo-> savvas: I can use the zoom function in compiz and we can look
[06:15] <gnomefreak> network-manager had an overhaul and with same name same functions it works in a differnet way
[06:15] <Crozar> gnomefreak: i had feisty and i havent expirienced not a problem on that my router and my hardware ethernet runs fine configured properly when  suddenly some1 says that edgy is better for ( my*laptop ) so i installed it and had that problem and tried solveing it but i couldntTT
[06:15] <gnomefreak> Crozar: ok lets try this, you have a windows pc and everything works you have a linux pc and the same things dont work what is the cause?
[06:16] <Crozar> gnomefreak: so now i know how to solve it , like it says in that bug report , and i managed to do a script to auto exec at start up but yet this is bad for the community when ( feisty have acknowledged and solved the problem ) and gusty should't have such problem.
[06:16] <oshiii^_^> oh dear
[06:17] <Crozar> gnomefreak: what you saying isnt part of this conversation
[06:17] <gnomefreak> Crozar: if you script breaks something or your script breaks ubuntu is not responsible (please keep this in mind when you do a clean install)
[06:17] <gnomefreak> Crozar: very much is you said it worked on feisty but not on gutsy
[06:17] <Crozar> gnomefreak: im trying to make you understand about philosophy coz with a WiseMan he can tell that gusty has been checkpoint in couple of particalur things to gain towards gusty
[06:18] <scizzo-> ./me steals the last chips from savvas
[06:18] <gnomefreak> Crozar: i understand people tried to explain this to you already today? why are we going over it again?
[06:18] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: you go girl!
[06:18] <gnomefreak> Crozar: in suppoort world wisemen are the ones that know what is going on and dont ask too many questions
[06:18] <oshiii^_^> scizzo is making me hungry
[06:18] <gnomefreak> :X
[06:19] <Crozar> gnomefreak: lets say this ( feisty didnt have the problem ) and edgy did . so ur saying GUsty is not an update its a new approuch ?
[06:19] <scizzo-> oshiii^_^: I have some 1 month old bread if you want that?
[06:19] <oshiii^_^> :(
[06:19] <oshiii^_^> no thanks
[06:19] <scizzo-> oshiii^_^: coffee?
[06:19] <oshiii^_^> sounds good
[06:19] <Crozar> sounds like im going for a pill , this is stresful D!~N
[06:20] <Crozar> gnomefreak: ok ok nevermind i will format and do clean install
[06:20] <Crozar> gnomefreak: i love ya'll
[06:20] <gnomefreak> Crozar: if edgy did not have the problem and feisty did? that would mean a few things could have happened since feisty is not the same as edgy things you added on things the developers added on could have caused it to stop working but that means nothing for gutsy, if it doesnt work on a clean install of gutsy file a bug and the right people will look at it
[06:20] <Crozar> gnomefreak: thanks for explaining il ask my last 8 questions tommorow or maybe later atnight
[06:21] <gnomefreak> please keep it to 2 a day :)
[06:21] <Crozar> today?
[06:21] <Crozar> i need coffe for this
[06:21] <scizzo-> Crozar: install feisty and wait for gutsy to come out as a stable release
[06:21] <scizzo-> Crozar: you are not prepared to use a testing version of a OS
[06:21] <scizzo-> Crozar: I am being honest now.....
[06:22] <Crozar> scizzo-: actually i dont use windows i hate windows i hate mac i didnt beleive i would see a real computer until ubuntu i saw and read about./
[06:22] <scizzo-> Crozar: I am sorry but really you have been asking questions that people have been answering however you feel that if its not the answer you expect then nothing will be right....
[06:22] <scizzo-> Crozar: thats not the point
[06:23] <scizzo-> Crozar: but using a application or OS that is in testing level is also as it is said "testing"
[06:23] <Crozar> scizzo-: the point is if i buy MAC and get bootcamp with Windows can i have UBUNTU in it? on the option choice screen of BootCamp  and have grub removed
[06:23] <scizzo-> Crozar: you can't expect to much.......if you can't handle the fact that it is in testing environment then wel...
[06:23] <scizzo-> *sigh*
[06:24] <Crozar> scizzo-: and i just bought a pc with ATI X1800 anyways to get it tweaked to its best like in windows?
[06:24] <scizzo-> Crozar: All I am saying is that you should use the stable release
[06:24] <scizzo-> Crozar: not gutsy.....
[06:24] <Crozar> scizzo-: how to make winE change the icon i hate that icon looks not so good for me i'd rather have a linux on a chair and windows on the lap
[06:24] <scizzo-> Crozar: and wait for gutsy until it is stable
[06:24] <drewzf> Humm
[06:25] <drewzf> This is a channel for Gutsy yet people here recommend you don't use it? XD
[06:25] <aguitel> one question , i am using gutsy tribe5  it is possible to upgrade to full versin?
[06:25] <Crozar> scizzo-: ok i will wait , tell me can i twaek processes
[06:25] <drewzf> What's the fun in that?
[06:25] <scizzo-> ok I give up....I am going for a smoke....and some coffee
[06:25] <Crozar> when will i ask my 8 questions :(
[06:25] <oshiii^_^> have fun
[06:25] <Crozar> its weird questions i dont know if any body asked them
[06:25] <Crozar> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
[06:25] <drewzf> Crozar: Don't ask to ask, just ask.
[06:25] <Crozar> ok format here i come
[06:26] <oshiii^_^> lol
[06:26] <drewzf> Or /quit, that's just as easy for me. :)
[06:26] <scizzo-> he is going to be back tonight when he has upgraded to gutsy again
[06:26] <aguitel> is possible to upgrade to stable version the beta tribe5 ?
[06:28] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: we shall see but i would say its very likely he will join us again atleast for a minute or so
[06:28] <aguitel> is possible to upgrade to stable version the beta tribe5 ?
[06:29] <drewzf> why was aptitude upgrade deprecated?
[06:29] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: yeah
[06:29] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: we can give him your e-mail? :D
[06:29] <LjL> aguitel: no, because there is not a stable version yet.
[06:29] <shearn89> hey all - back again. Now the do-release-upgrade runs, but says it can't find a new release. I have changed all my repos to gutsy. Any ideas?
[06:29] <hetauma> when gutsy would be released.. would my installation have any difference if I make a fresh install of the final release?
[06:29] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: anyone that gives him my email will be put on autoban
[06:29] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: haha!
[06:30] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: well I tried to explain to him.....he...well you know
[06:30] <aguitel> LjL: thanks
[06:31] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: he went through this in another channel today as well
[06:31] <shearn89> anyone?
[06:32] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: cool....a celebrity
[06:32] <gnomefreak> he will be delt with accordingly
[06:32] <scizzo-> shearn89: hmmm.....well check the repos in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:33] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: well I found it rude I'm afraid.....from his side that is
[06:33] <shearn89> done that, they're all gutsy. Fixed it by doing "sudo do-release-upgrade -d".
[06:33] <Vorbote> hetauma, none whatsoever (that was a fib, you wouldn't have the extra apps you have installed).
[06:34] <scizzo-> shearn89: what happens when you run apt-get update?
[06:34] <shearn89> it picks up all the new stuff, but i thought there was a better way to do a dist-upgrade.
[06:35] <shearn89> but it looks like its going to take ages - probs going to download cd instead...
[06:36] <scizzo-> shearn89: I am not 100% but I used the dist-upgrade on my server
[06:36] <shearn89> yeah - unfortunately my connection is muy slow (max 200kbps), so probs going to download the alternate install cd.
[06:37] <scizzo-> however I just realized that apparmor is not running as it should
[06:37] <drewzf> Hmm, noticing several bugs with the screen resolution in Gutsy, at least on my laptop, are they worth reporting?
[06:38] <scizzo-> shearn89: hehe...100x100 here.. ;)
[06:38] <shearn89> scizzo-: nice.... hopefully getting decent broadband soon, which should be faster.
[06:39] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: question: apparmor the standard install is not using -profiles as standard install right?
[06:39] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: cause I had to install that manually...
[06:40] <gnomefreak> scizzo-: not sure off hand but there are other issues with it that are being worked out today
[06:40] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: super!
[06:40] <scizzo-> gnomefreak: thank you
[06:41] <gnomefreak> grrrrr and people wonder why i have my own repos :(
[06:41] <gnomefreak> brb
[06:48] <mon^rch> question: is everybody's system sounds working? ie: login, logout sounds (they never worked from the begining --tribe5--) but sound works just fine just no login/out music :/
[06:50] <extra> dumb question, but.. how do you submit a bug in launchpad?
[06:50] <scizzo-> extra: there is a report bug button on the site
[06:54] <macogw> anyone else have totally blank tty's...like, no prompt at which to type?
[06:55] <wilberfan> has anyone solved the 'no-window-borders-in-fusion' problem yet...?
[06:55] <wilberfan> my problem seems to revolve around missing libwnck18...?
[06:55] <sin1> what kind of video card you got?
[06:55] <wilberfan> sin1: nvidia...with the latest 100.xxx driver installed...
[06:55] <macogw> who? me or wilber?
[06:56] <sin1> try         sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24
[06:56] <wilberfan> fusion works...emerald is not starting...
[06:56] <sin1> and restart X
[06:56] <wilberfan> i think the problem is with emerald, though...
[06:57] <sin1> I had the same problem and that's what worked for me :)
[06:58] <crdlb> wilberfan, gtk-window-decorator works?
[06:58] <wilberfan> crdlb: yeah....
[06:58] <wilberfan> I keep getting this error message with emerald:  error while loading shared libraries: libwnck-1.so.18: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[06:58] <crdlb> are you sure you're using gutsy's emerald package?
[06:58] <wilberfan> crdlb: not completely.   how would i verify that?
[06:58] <crdlb> clearly you're not
[06:59] <crdlb> wilberfan, dpkg -l|grep emerald
[06:59] <salty-horse> hi. can anyone on gutsy please send me the contents of python's sys.path?
[06:59] <wilberfan> is that 'dpkg -l | grep emerald'?
[06:59] <crdlb> wilberfan, either way works
[07:00] <wilberfan> crdlb: I got that same libwnck error....!
[07:00] <crdlb> I find people are more likely to run the whole command if it's typed w/o the spaces
[07:00] <wilberfan> ah... ;-)
[07:00] <crdlb> from dpkg?
[07:00] <wilberfan> yeah!
[07:00] <crdlb> I find that somewhat unlikely
[07:01] <crdlb> did you forget the grep?
[07:01] <wilberfan> should I be root??
[07:01] <crdlb> you don't need to be
[07:02] <wilberfan> crdlb: ok...here we go:
[07:02] <wilberfan> dpkg -l|grep emerald
[07:02] <wilberfan> ii  emerald                                    0.3~git20070717-0ubuntu1              Decorator for compiz-fusion
[07:02] <wilberfan> ii  emerald-themes                             0.2.1-0ubuntu1                        Package of themes for Emerald
[07:02] <wilberfan> ii  libemeraldengine0                          0.3~git20070717-0ubuntu1              Decoration engines for compiz-fusion
[07:02] <wilberfan> 20070717 doesn't look very promising, does it!
[07:02] <crdlb> wilberfan, run this: which emerald
[07:02] <crdlb> !info emerald gutsy
[07:03] <ubotu> emerald: Decorator for compiz-fusion. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3~git20070717-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 198 kB, installed size 956 kB
[07:03] <wilberfan> "
[07:03] <wilberfan> which emerald
[07:03] <wilberfan> /usr/local/bin/emerald
[07:03] <albert23> macogw: do you mean this: bug 129910 ?
[07:03] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in initramfs-tools "tty[1-6]  are active but display nothing in Gutsy" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/129910
[07:03] <crdlb> that's the problem
[07:03] <crdlb> wilberfan, you've installed emerald from source at some point
[07:03] <crdlb> sudo rm /usr/local/bin/emerald
[07:03] <macogw> albert23: yep that's it
[07:04] <wilberfan> crdlb: could it be left over from feisty, or...?
[07:04] <macogw> k so that leaves, does anyone else with intel graphics have the screen go almost black so you just see shadows of the open windows when the screen "dims"?
[07:04] <crdlb> wilberfan, it would be left over from something you did either manually or with a script
[07:04] <wilberfan> crdlb: [whistles]   who knew?!
[07:05] <wilberfan> how do i rip it out and start over?
[07:05] <wilberfan> (or do i?)
 sudo rm /usr/local/bin/emerald
[07:05] <wilberfan> crdlb: yeah, i've done that...
[07:05] <leperkhanz> I'm out.  Thanks for the good times, all the peeps who were nice in here.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/147536
[07:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147536 in ubuntu "Sarah Hobbs is a jerk." [Undecided,Invalid] 
[07:06] <crdlb> wilberfan, now run emerald
[07:06] <crdlb> you may need to use a new terminal since the shell is cached to use /usr/local/bin/emerald now
[07:07] <wilberfan> crdlb: I just tried enabling emerald from fusion-icon...but no dice...
[07:07] <crdlb> open a new terminal and run emerald --replace
[07:07] <wilberfan> crdlb: I just opened a new terminal and entered "emerald" and got that libwnck error again....
[07:07] <crdlb> and stop running random scripts
[07:08] <wilberfan> crdlb:
[07:08] <wilberfan> $ emerald --replace
[07:08] <wilberfan> emerald: error while loading shared libraries: libwnck-1.so.18: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:08] <crdlb> wilberfan, which emerald
[07:09] <wilberfan> "/usr/bin/emerald"
[07:09] <crdlb> sudo apt-get --reinstall install emerald
[07:10] <wilberfan> crdlb: it's still installing "0.3~git20070717..."
[07:10] <crdlb> that's fine
[07:10] <crdlb> didn't you see ubotu?
[07:10] <wilberfan> crdlb: oh, ok...
[07:10] <wilberfan> crdlb: yeah, i did....
[07:10] <wilberfan> was it something else before...?  i didn't notice...
[07:11] <crdlb> !info emerald gutsy
[07:11] <ubotu> emerald: Decorator for compiz-fusion. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3~git20070717-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 198 kB, installed size 956 kB
[07:11] <wilberfan> !info emerald gutsy
[07:12] <wilberfan> crdlb: well, i'm STILL getting that libwnck error.....
[07:13] <macogw> did you try just installing that library?
[07:13] <crdlb> !info libwnck18 gutsy
[07:13] <ubotu> Package libwnck18 does not exist in gutsy
[07:13] <crdlb> !info libwnck22 gutsy
[07:13] <ubotu> libwnck22: Window Navigator Construction Kit - runtime files. In component main, is optional. Version 2.20.0-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 150 kB, installed size 340 kB
[07:13] <crdlb> as I thought
[07:13] <wilberfan> crdlb: i noticed the '22' version loaded, too....  so something's still looking for '18'....
[07:14] <crdlb> sudo apt-get --reinstall install libemeraldengine0
[07:15] <RainCT> hi
[07:16] <RainCT> how can I update Feisty -> Gutsy from the Beta CD?
[07:16] <wilberfan> crdlb: nope.   same error...
[07:16] <zengen> Is there a changelog for the daily builds?
[07:17] <savvas> RainCT: did you download the alternate cd?
[07:17] <RainCT> savvas: no, the normal one
[07:17] <zengen> You can upgrade with update-manager -d, rainct.
[07:18] <RainCT> will it automatically get the packages that are on the CD from there?
[07:18] <zengen> Yeah.
[07:18] <zengen> Maybe it's -D.  One of those.
[07:18] <RainCT> ok, thanks
[07:18] <savvas> RainCT: well.. the only way I know of, is that if you have a separate partition for /home/, then do the partitioning setup manually during the installation and format the root / partition
[07:18] <wilberfan> crdlb: have we given up?  ;-)
[07:19] <crdlb> I'm out of ideas
[07:19] <wilberfan> crdlb: isn't there a way to remove everything emerald-related and start over?
[07:19] <crdlb> not for you
[07:19] <wilberfan> or should I just do a clean-install of gutsy...?   ;-)
[07:20] <crdlb> you've gone outside of the packaging system
[07:20] <wilberfan> crdlb: so something's borked somewhere...?
[07:20] <crdlb> it might just be that something is cached
[07:20] <crdlb> but I don't know how to clear it
[07:21] <crdlb> make sure that emerald isn't still running
[07:21] <wilberfan> crdlb: i don't see anything 'emerald' in the system monitor...
[07:22] <wilberfan> crdlb: any chance it's 64-bit related???
[07:22] <macogw> check in ps -e too
[07:22] <crdlb> I doubt it
[07:22] <zengen> Does anyone know if there's a changelog for the daily iso's?  Or, if the problem with loading encrypted partitions before they're decrypted has been fixed on the latest?\
[07:22] <wilberfan> so there ARE gutsy runners who have working emerald themes?
[07:22] <_dan_> zengen my crypto part works
[07:23] <macogw> yes
[07:23] <zengen> What day is your build from?
[07:23] <macogw> mine works almost fine
[07:23] <macogw> the buttons i made for my theme arent working
[07:23] <macogw> i think i made them wrong
[07:23] <_dan_> zengen i got the latest updates
[07:23] <zengen> k, I'll try it then.  Thank you.
[07:24] <wilberfan> crdlb: well, i appreciate your help...  you gave it the ol' college try...
[07:24] <crdlb> wilberfan, run sudo ldconfig
[07:24] <wilberfan> crdlb: he's not done yet!  yaaaay!
[07:25] <wilberfan> crdlb: ok.  i just got a prompt back....
[07:25] <crdlb> now try emerald again
[07:26] <wilberfan> crdlb: nope.
[07:26] <wilberfan> SOMETHING wants to use that '18' version....
[07:26] <crdlb> that something is some library left over in /usr/local from when you installed emerald from source
[07:27] <wilberfan> crdlb: ah...  but we don't know what it is--or how to get rid of it.....
[07:27] <extra> sup yall
[07:28] <wilberfan> well, i'm downloading todays alternate install gutsy as we speak...!  ;-)
[07:28] <wilberfan> (I know--that's the wimp-out method!)
[07:32] <extra> i don't see the bug submission button on launchpad
[07:32] <daubers> hey all, I've just upgraded from fiesty to gutsy, how do I enable the desktop effects?
[07:33] <wilberfan> daubers: in general, i think it's System/Preferences/Appearance/Visual Effects?
[07:33] <daubers> ah ha! It was hiding from me
[07:34] <daubers> thanks very much :-D
[07:34] <wilberfan> daubers: no prob!!  I had no idea where it was either...!
[07:34] <wilberfan> crdlb: thanks again for your help, dude...
[07:35] <Daylighter> I am having trouble with X ever since I let the update-manager do its thing today
[07:35] <jussi01> Daylighter: whats it doing for you?
[07:36] <Daylighter> jussi01, it will act like its starting, then flash to a dialogue asking for my monitor driver and resolution.. I click okay and it does the same thing over again
[07:36] <jussi01> Daylighter: ouch. I have a different issue, but it is definately broken...
[07:36] <Daylighter> I am chatting in the terminal version of Bitchx right now
[07:37] <jussi01> Daylighter: not fun
[07:37] <jussi01> Daylighter: bug 147329
[07:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147329 in xorg "Screen size is bigger than display size" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/147329
[07:37] <Daylighter> not at all
[07:37] <scizzo-> I use irssi all the time
[07:37] <jussi01> thats my issue
[07:37] <Daylighter> that happens to me too, jussi01
[07:37] <Daylighter> it happens at the login screen
[07:37] <Daylighter> I wish there was a way I could rollback the updates I've done recently
[07:38] <jussi01> Daylighter:so its like it extends outside the veiwable areea?
[07:38] <Daylighter> jussi01 it was doing that before and now gnome just wont start
[07:38] <scizzo-> dual monitor?
[07:38] <jussi01> nope
[07:38] <Daylighter> I even reconfigured X using dpkg and it STILL does this
[07:39] <jussi01> Daylighter: yeah, me too
[07:39] <Daylighter> this is not fun because I am still figuring out how to switch channels
[07:39] <Daylighter> back and forth
[07:39] <Daylighter> and I cant see a userlist
[07:40] <Daylighter> and I dont know the shortcuts
[07:40] <Daylighter> for functions in bitchx
[07:40] <Daylighter> I wish there was a "sudo apt-get undo last upgrade"
[07:40] <jussi01> !enter | Daylighter
[07:40] <ubotu> Daylighter: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[07:41] <scizzo-> Daylighter: install irssi
[07:41] <Daylighter> so X wont start for you either, jussi01?
[07:41] <jussi01> Daylighter: no, x starts, but has that bug
[07:41] <Daylighter> thank you scizzo, I installing now
[07:42] <scizzo-> Daylighter: irssi is easy instead of bitchx
[07:42] <Daylighter> :)
[07:42] <jussi01> Daylighter: I have to lower my resolution somewhat to make it work
[07:43] <Daylighter> what server am I connected to right now?
[07:43] <scizzo-> Daylighter: irc.freenode.net
[07:44] <Daylighter> why does it keep disconnecting due to "bad password"
[07:45] <Daylighter> damn I miss gnome
[07:45] <Daylighter> lol
[07:45] <scizzo-> Daylighter: irssi -c irc.freenode.net
[07:45] <scizzo-> Daylighter: you only need to type that
[07:45] <Daylighter> ah
[07:46] <Daylighter> disconnecting 127.0.0.1 (bad password)
[07:47] <Daylighter> well, Closing Link:
[07:48] <Daylighter> it is still rejecting my "bad password"
[07:50] <dougb> you're supposed to use dist-upgrade?
[07:50] <dougb> not regular upgrade?
[07:51] <daylight1r> hm
[07:52] <will__> anyone having a delay/black screen after login in gutsy?
[07:52] <will__> before the desktop shows that is
[07:53] <panosru> Hi, i have an ntfs disk with windows vista my primary is an ext3 disk with ubuntu which one i use. I have ntfs-3g driver installed and everything fine. Today i had to boot into vista after i finished my work i reboot to boot again in ubuntu but vista disk disappeared! Does anyone knows what happen? Thanks in advice.
[07:53] <ubuntu_dave> panosru: did u hibernate/suspend vista or shut it down properly?
[07:53] <panosru> I can see the disk in Storage Device Manager but when i press the mount button nothing happens.
[07:54] <panosru> ubuntu_dave no didn't shut down properly i reset it because it stuck on system shut down
[07:54] <ubuntu_dave> that's why
[07:54] <panosru> ubuntu_dave do you think if i boot again and reboot will fix it?
[07:54] <ubuntu_dave> ntfs filesystem needs to be shut down correctly or ntfs-3g will refuse to mount it (for safety reasons)
[07:55] <ubuntu_dave> yes if you shut down vista correctly it should work fine afterwards in ubuntu
[07:55] <panosru> ubuntu_dave i didn't knew that... thanks for info i will boot in vista and reboot
[07:55] <panosru> i hope one day get rid of windows ...
[07:55] <ubuntu_dave> :)
[07:55] <will__> exactly, the NTFS gets marked as not uncleanly unmounted....just boot vista then restart and go to ubuntu and it will work
[07:55] <panosru> brb :D
[07:56] <will__> lol
[07:56] <daylight1r> is anyone else unable to get X running after upgrading to the beta?
[08:01] <magzilla> yeah
[08:03] <ratpoison> gutsy amd64. My oofice impress and base won't start! http://pastebin.com/m3ea03212
[08:04] <daylighter> okay I found my feisty liveCD
[08:04] <panosru> works :D
[08:04] <daylighter> I need help with my X problem
[08:05] <nox-Hand> Feature idea, I suggest that when doing dist-upgrades and it asks about a mere config file replacement, that it continues with other packages in the background. Returning after an hour of uprgading to see it has done 5 mins of work and then ahlted really sucks
[08:05] <hylje> yes | sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[08:07] <fangorious> what is the default runlevel for the gutsy livedvd? I'm trying to boot it into single user, install an updated ati driver, and finish boot
[08:09] <panosru> does anyone knows why rhythmbox music player does now show non lattin characters?
[08:09] <panosru> well actually i know why
[08:09] <panosru> but
[08:09] <hetauma> what's openoffice's equivalent for mathtype?
[08:09] <magzilla> daylighter: are you getting a blank screen for X?
[08:10] <panosru> how to fix it?
[08:10] <panosru> i tried easytag but nothing worked
[08:10] <fangorious> panosru, are the characters displayed anywhere else (filenames in nautilus, for example)?
[08:10] <daylighter> magzilla: what happens is everything boots normally, then when it gets ready to start gdm, the screen flashes and I see the X cursor and I get a dialogue box that asks me for my resolution and video card driver
[08:11] <daylighter> no matter what I do, it will always flash back to that dialogue, I've even tried recompiling my driver and reconfiguring x with dpkg
[08:11] <magzilla> daylighter: ah, that is different from my X problem
[08:11] <panosru> fangorious, well they are from windows i think windows use windows-1253 character set thats why
[08:11] <panosru> in windows media player they are shown fine
[08:12] <daylighter> this is the only time gutsy has ever given me problems
[08:12] <mnk> please can anyone tell me where the gutsy installer (upgrading from feisty) downloads the files?
[08:12] <jussi01> mnk: whichever repo you have enabled
[08:13] <daylighter> hmmm
[08:13] <daylighter> I think I am going to copy all my data to a new partition and just install feisty again, this is a pain
[08:13] <mnk> all i did was to run the installer thingy from the alternative cd - but it still insists on downloading a whole load of files anyway
[08:13] <mnk> ie after the initial files it finds from the cd
[08:15] <BlueParrot>  mnk because it is Beta which is soon to be released there will be a lot of changes made to the packages , so even if you got the CD very recently there is still a chance some files on there are "old"
[08:15] <mnk> any help will be appreciated
[08:16] <daylighter> how do I move a directory?
[08:16] <mnk> oic BlueParrot
[08:16] <daylighter> or do I have to copy
[08:16] <BlueParrot> daylighter: mv
[08:16] <mnk> but is there any way of just upgrading to all the files on the cd?
[08:16] <daylighter> how do I move a directory with mv?
[08:16] <BlueParrot> daylighter: type: man mv ina terminal for more info
[08:16] <_dan_> mv sourcedir destdir
[08:16] <mnk> cos if i disable my net connection - the install fails cos it wants me to download stuff
[08:16] <BlueParrot> daylighter: the man command is probably the most useful comand there is
[08:16] <_dan_> but u should *really* know that when your using a beta version of ubuntu
[08:16] <daylighter> BlueParrot: yes indeed
[08:17] <ratpoison> gutsy amd64. My oofice impress and base won't start! http://pastebin.com/m3ea03212
[08:17] <daylighter> mv: inter-device move failed: `/media/disk-1/home/james' to `/media/disk/james'; unable to remove target: Is a directory
[08:17] <BlueParrot> mnk: I don't know to be honest
[08:17] <mnk> ok thanks BlueParrot anyway
[08:17] <mnk> can anyone else help pls?
[08:18] <mnk> any help will be appreciated
[08:18] <mnk> :)
[08:18] <BlueParrot> mnk: I don't think what you want to do is easily doable without mirroring the entire repository tbh
[08:18] <mnk> omg
[08:18] <ratpoison> why not rsyncing the iso file you download and THEN burn it
[08:18] <mnk> but the whole point of the alternative install is for those who don't have net or whatever right
[08:18] <BlueParrot> mnk: why don't you just upgrade over the network ?
[08:18] <ratpoison> (total syntax mess, but anyway)
[08:19] <mnk> cos it is taking yeeeeeeeeears
[08:19] <BlueParrot> mnk: yes, but it is an alternative _install_ I don't think it is meant for upgrades
[08:19] <mnk> usually my conxn is faster but having some major isp problems
[08:19] <mnk> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-93ac2e597b9e0c5ff78111d4fd2bbe34a35799c7
[08:19] <BlueParrot> mnk: if you have problems with the net connection I wouldn't recomend upgrading to the beta tbh ...
[08:20] <mnk>    3.
[08:20] <mnk> Upgrading using the alternate CD/DVD
[08:20] <mnk> Use this method if the system being upgraded is not connected to the Internet.
[08:20] <BlueParrot> ah , ok
[08:21] <BlueParrot> it complaisn it can't find certain packages ?
[08:21] <ratpoison> yeah, but how good an idea is it to install a beta version in a pc with a bad connection? It is going to need updates by definition, and you won't get them... how about going for the stable or waiting
[08:22] <mnk> i don't mind waiting for updates
[08:22] <mnk> but i am wondering why the no-net install wants me to have a net conxn
[08:22] <BlueParrot> mnk: you realise that the beta working flawlessly is pretty much the exception rather than the rule, right ?
[08:22] <mnk> yeah i know dudes
[08:22] <ratpoison> or rather the whole point of having a beta :p
[08:22] <BlueParrot> mnk: it might be a bug with your version of the alternate CD ... it is called Beta for a reason ...
[08:23] <mnk> but aren't we supposed to try to get it to work :) ?
[08:23] <ratpoison> yup, file a bug report on launchpad :)
[08:23] <mnk> k
[08:23] <mnk> will do
[08:23] <BlueParrot> mnk: what error does it give you ?
[08:23] <mnk> it says that it can't connect to the net
[08:23] <mnk> leme paste my sources.list
[08:24] <BlueParrot> uhm use pastebin
[08:24] <mnk> i am wondering if i have extra stuff in there that i shouldn't have
[08:24] <BlueParrot> ahhh, yes, if you have regular sources in there ( i.e not the CD ) then it might be complaining it can't connect to those
[08:24] <KalEl> Hi... I am running 7.04 32 bit version now, can I update to a 64-bit version of Gusty?
[08:24] <mnk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39282/
[08:25] <ratpoison> how bout nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list (or whatever) and commenting the lines that have to do with a net connection?
[08:25] <BlueParrot> KalEl: I'm not sure, but it sounds like something which would cause you pain :P
[08:25] <mnk> which lines are they ratpoison
[08:25] <mnk> ?
[08:25] <mnk> deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted
[08:25] <mnk> deb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted
[08:25] <mnk> things like that?
[08:26] <mnk> anything with http at the beg?
[08:26] <KalEl> Ok your advice well taken, I will then update to 32-bit version only?
[08:26] <ratpoison> mnk: sec
[08:26] <fangorious> what's the recommended way to use an updated video driver on a livedvd image?
[08:26] <BlueParrot> mnk: uhm yea, try commenting out all the lines except the CD
[08:26] <ratpoison> pretty much all the ones that contain http
[08:27] <ratpoison> add a #
[08:27] <mnk> ok
[08:27] <BlueParrot> mnk: also, that sources.list can be heavily simplified :P
[08:27] <ratpoison> also: upgrading with automatix (or using it for that matter) is NOT recommended
[08:27] <usser> KalEl u can back up your home directory and just install gutsy copying the contents of your home back
[08:28] <ratpoison> I know it's a pain, but it can really screw up your upgrade process
[08:28] <mnk> ratpoison: i used it ages ago
[08:28] <mnk> and it just stayed there
[08:28] <usser> KalEl that is if u dont have a lot of programs installed
[08:28] <mnk> ok here goes
[08:28] <MetaMorfoziS> hi all
[08:29] <MetaMorfoziS> has anybody synaptics touchpad?
[08:29] <KalEl> The moment I opened the update-manager, it greeted me with an Upgrade button :)
[08:29] <BlueParrot> mnk: I have 6 lines in my sources.list , and 3 of them is for source code :P
[08:29] <mnk> hehehehehe
[08:29] <mnk> i dunno man
[08:29] <mnk> sometimes i think i need to do a fresh reinstall
[08:29] <mnk> but i did somethign stupid when i first installed dapper
[08:30] <ratpoison> tbh distribution upgrade needs LOADS of work
[08:30] <mnk> i didn't put /home in a sep partition
[08:30] <mnk> OMG!!!!
[08:30] <BlueParrot> mnk: dooooooooh
[08:30] <mnk> it is still trying to d/l some files
[08:30] <BlueParrot> mnk: did you remember to do an update first ?
[08:30] <mnk> oh
[08:30] <KalEl> I wish Gusty has support for NVidia GeForce 8600GTS card
[08:30] <mnk> no i didn't
[08:30] <mnk> oops
[08:30] <mnk> :$
[08:30] <BlueParrot> : )
[08:30] <hetauma> I'm trying to edit an equation on a .doc written in M$office with open office and I get "Error activating object. General OLE error" any ideas ?
[08:30] <napkin> yo, any ideas when canonical commercial repo (ie, vmware server packages) will be available for gutsy?
[08:31] <BlueParrot> mnk: happens to the best of us :P
[08:31] <mnk> and the worst of us :$
[08:31] <mnk> :)
[08:31] <KalEl> That's one of the reason I'm upgrading, 8600GTS gave me trouble with 7.04.
[08:31] <scizzo-> KalEl: I am using geforce 8600GTS
[08:31] <mnk> err why is sudo apt-get update still d/l loads of files?
[08:31] <scizzo-> with dual monitors and compiz
[08:31] <KalEl> scizzo-: cool! with acceleration? glxgears runs?
[08:31] <BlueParrot> mnk: btw, if you have free space on your HD there is no reason you can't just create another partition and copy your /home over there
[08:32] <scizzo-> KalEl: glxgears is not working as it should
[08:32] <BlueParrot> mnk: then use it as /home for a fresh install
[08:32] <scizzo-> KalEl: I belive that it makes it all goes nuts...but the rendering and so on is on
[08:32] <mnk> i haven't :(
[08:32] <mnk> need to buy a new drive
[08:32] <ratpoison> hetauma: OLE is the system MSOffice uses to have office programmes interact. It's an MS specific portion of code and I don't now if it works on oofice
[08:32] <KalEl> great... that alone justifies my urge to upgrade!!!
[08:32] <scizzo-> KalEl: haven't been checking through my xorg file that much yet...it works now though.. :D
[08:32] <KalEl> thanks for the information, scizzo-, if i have any trouble after upgrading, i hope to find you here :)
[08:33] <BlueParrot> mnk: it is downloading them of the CD at a guess
[08:33] <mnk> Error authenticating some packages
[08:33] <mnk> It was not possible to authenticate some packages. This may be a transient network problem. You may want to try again later. See below for a list of unauthenticated packages.
[08:33] <mnk> drat!
[08:33] <BlueParrot> ouch
[08:33] <BlueParrot> mnk: try using update manager rather than apt-get
[08:33] <scizzo-> KalEl: well I just added a few extra things...I am suppose to work more with it and put it on my website...but well the site is not done yet
[08:33] <BlueParrot> *upgrade manager
[08:33] <mnk> hold on
[08:33] <mnk> the apt-get just uncommented out some of the lines!
[08:34] <ratpoison> try aptitude
[08:34] <hetauma> ratpoison, :( bad news for me
[08:34] <BlueParrot> mnk: lol
[08:34] <KalEl> scizzo-: ok... if ur site is half complete, still i'd love to see it
[08:34] <mnk> gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade"  <-- that is what i am supposed to do right?
[08:34] <ERGLupin> for some reason the amd64 version of Gutsy Beta isnt booting on my PC but it did on my macbook
[08:34] <fangorious> exit
[08:35] <KalEl> how would i go about upgrading to 64-bit from 32-bit?
[08:35] <scizzo-> KalEl: there is no info on it yet
[08:35] <BlueParrot> mnk: I have no idea, always do netinstalls or fresh installs of a CD
[08:35] <ratpoison> ERGLupin: did you check your BIOS?
[08:36] <ERGLupin> what about it?
[08:36] <ERGLupin> i dont have an option for 64bit on/off if thats what you mean
[08:36] <ratpoison> ERGLupin: maybe your BIOS isn't configured to check for boot devices on your drive(s)
[08:37] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: what do you mean it "isn't booting" , when does it fail ?
[08:37] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: and how ...
[08:37] <ERGLupin> sorry
[08:37] <ERGLupin> it shows the menu
[08:37] <ERGLupin> like
[08:37] <ERGLupin> start UBUNTU/install
[08:37] <ERGLupin> safe graphics mode
[08:37] <ERGLupin> oem
[08:37] <BlueParrot> ah, GRUB ?
[08:37] <ERGLupin> and Ive tried both normal and safe graphics
[08:37] <ERGLupin> this is from the CD
[08:38] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: what happens when it fails, and when does it fail ?
[08:38] <ERGLupin> after that my monitor goes off
[08:38] <ERGLupin> but the disc keeps spinning
[08:38] <BlueParrot> eh ?
[08:38] <ERGLupin> just like norma
[08:38] <BlueParrot> when you make a selection ?
[08:38] <ERGLupin> by off I mean like um its asleep
[08:38] <ERGLupin> mhm
[08:38] <KalEl> Hi... for some reason the Distribution Upgrade process has stopped at "Modifying software channels" where it says "Fetching file 28 of 42" with a complete bar
[08:38] <KalEl> should i cancel it?
[08:38] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: so when you select a boot option you lose all video output ?
[08:39] <ERGLupin> mhm
[08:39] <ERGLupin> yes that would be a better description
[08:39] <ratpoison> ERGLupin: I've had a similar problem, but it turned out to be a burnt M/board
[08:39] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: bug report time I think ...
[08:39] <ERGLupin> yeah my mobo is fine
[08:39] <ERGLupin> brand new and VItsa/XP still works fine
[08:40] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: file a bug report, and make sure you state all hardware you have installed + BIOS settings etc ...
[08:40] <ERGLupin> ok
[08:40] <ERGLupin> where do I due that?
[08:40] <ratpoison> launchpad
[08:40] <BlueParrot> hmm, what is the ubotu comand again ?
[08:40] <BlueParrot> !bug
[08:40] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[08:41] <BlueParrot> that was scarily intuiative
[08:41] <ERGLupin> heh
[08:42] <BlueParrot> I mean it should at least be something like !bg-report --help
[08:42] <ratpoison> BlueParrot: have you had problems with your oofice?
[08:42] <BlueParrot> ratpoison: not recently
[08:42] <BlueParrot> ratpoison: but I haven't really tried it on Gutsy
[08:42] <ratpoison> could you try starting impress or base?
[08:43] <BlueParrot> uhm, ok, I have only ever used writer :P
[08:43] <BlueParrot> what comand is it ?
[08:43] <ratpoison> writer and calc work for me, but....
[08:43] <ratpoison> ooffice -base I guess
[08:44] <BlueParrot> got the splash screen
[08:44] <ratpoison> it complains about bad pointers
[08:44] <BlueParrot> seems to work just fine
[08:45] <BlueParrot> ooooh
[08:45] <BlueParrot> ** (process:7415): WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit ...
[08:45] <BlueParrot> it did start thou
[08:45] <ratpoison> http://pastebin.com/m3ea03212 is what I get
[08:45] <BlueParrot> ratpoison: fun ...
[08:46] <BlueParrot> seems to work just fine here
[08:46] <ratpoison> I'm suspecting problem with the fglrx, since it says: glibc6 detected, which was installed by the restricted drivers manager
[08:46] <BlueParrot> ah
[08:47] <BlueParrot> yea, I'm using the FLOSS driver for a Radeon 9200 SE
[08:47] <jussi01> is there another way to get flashplugin-nonfree than the repos? I hate this... every time I try it takes forever to download
[08:47] <KalEl> it is taking a long time in fetching file 28 of 42 at modifying the software channels
[08:47] <BlueParrot> jussi01: I think you can download it from their website
[08:47] <threethirty> hello all
[08:48] <BlueParrot> jussi01: or one version of it at least
[08:48] <KalEl> the bar goes all the way and then it rolls back...
[08:48] <BlueParrot> KalEl: : /
[08:49] <ratpoison> BlueParrot: any suggestions? :)
[08:49] <ratpoison> is it wise to remove glibc?
[08:49] <cj_> hi
[08:49] <BlueParrot> ratpoison: heh, no I don't think so :P
[08:49] <Ace2016> Hi all
[08:50] <cj_> where can i download the most recent gutsy snapshot?
[08:50] <Ace2016> anyone know if gusty has an xcb enabled xorg??
[08:50] <BlueParrot> ratpoison: I think that is one of those packages aptitude forces you to type "I realise this is a very bad idea" in order to remove
[08:50] <cj_> is there not a CD rather than a DVD?
[08:51] <BlueParrot> ratpoison: what card are you using ? Is it old enough to work with the OSS driver ?
[08:51] <BlueParrot> ratpoison: you could try that for a start
[08:51] <ratpoison> x1950
[08:51] <ratpoison> too bad I have a new card
[08:51] <threethirty> where can i find a beryl-manager -esque preference editor for compiz fusion
[08:51] <KalEl> what can i do what can i do :( i guess i have to wait till the full release?
[08:52] <ratpoison> cj_ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures
[08:52] <KalEl> can i paste?
[08:52] <KalEl> Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/Release.gpg
[08:52] <KalEl> Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz2
[08:52] <KalEl> Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/restricted/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz2
[08:52] <KalEl> Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz2
[08:52] <KalEl> Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/multiverse/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz2
[08:52] <KalEl> Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz2
[08:52] <BlueParrot> ratpoison: heh, well I haven't even tried using fglrx since about 3 years ago : )
[08:52] <KalEl> Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/Release.gpg
[08:52] <KalEl> Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/main/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz2
[08:52] <KalEl> Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/restricted/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz2
[08:52] <KalEl> Failed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/universe/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz2
[08:52] <BlueParrot> KalEl: don't paste lots of text
[08:52] <ratpoison> KalEl: use pastebin plz
[08:52] <BlueParrot> !pastebin
[08:52] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:53] <KalEl> i will use pastebin from next time, i apologize
[08:53] <Ace2016> did KalEl just get banned? so he can't come back if he exits right?
[08:53] <ratpoison> threethirty: use synaptic try advanced compiz config and you'll get it
[08:53] <ratpoison> I don't remember which one it is
[08:53] <Pici> Ace2016: No, that was a mute.
[08:54] <Ace2016> ah ok
[08:54] <threethirty> ratpoision, ty
[08:54] <KalEl> while trying to upgrade, i'm getting this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39287/
[08:55] <ratpoison> threethirty: compizconfig-settings-manager
[08:55] <BlueParrot> hmmmmm
[08:55] <Ace2016> is it just me or did gusty get renamed?
[08:55] <BlueParrot> was I the only one who got a flawless upgrade ? :P
[08:56] <Ace2016> no, the others are not in a support channel looking for hel
[08:56] <KalEl> it is now telling me "your system is up-to-date" and the upgrade button is gone :(
[08:56] <Ace2016> help*
[08:57] <ratpoison> KalEl try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[08:57] <ratpoison> maybe there was something wrong with your network
[08:57] <BlueParrot> Heck, if it ought to break for SOMEBODY it ought to have been me. I am running KDE apps under Xfce , have a wireless card which requires proprietary firmware, and an ATI card ... that it "just works" on my box doesn't feel right somehow ...
[08:57] <KalEl> man i can't wait to get gusty running... i even bought a 8600GTS and "Roller Coaster Tycoon 3D" to play with it
[08:57] <Artemis3> i have a little problem, sound is not working with a via KM400... (vt82c686?) i did lspci but lspnp seems not installed... could this be?
[08:58] <KalEl> ok thanks
[08:58] <BlueParrot> KalEl: you can start the upgrade manager from the menu iirc
[08:58] <KalEl> the button reappeared after i pressed 'Check' for updates a few times, i'm trying again
[08:58] <BlueParrot> KalEl: what desktop are you using ?
[08:58] <KalEl> Gnome
[08:58] <Ace2016> apps don't really care that much about the window manager
[08:59] <BlueParrot> Ace2016: yea, but konqueror and Amarok running on a system that doesn't have half of KDE ...
[08:59] <ratpoison> Ace2016: really? have you tried working matlab with ANY window manager and composite extension enabled?
[09:00] <ERGLupin> hmm thats weird BlueParrot i just downloaded and burned the i386 of the beta and its fine
[09:00] <KalEl> i wonder what this file "28 of 42" is
[09:00] <KalEl> it again became slow there
[09:00] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: oh well
[09:00] <ERGLupin> and I know the cd is fine or was fine yesterday on my Macbook
[09:01] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: you don't need all those instructions anyway , do you ? :P
[09:01] <ERGLupin> nah
[09:01] <BlueParrot> sounds like a bug in the 64 bit version tbh ...
[09:01] <ERGLupin> or... maybe I spoke too soon wth
[09:01] <BlueParrot> hmmm...
[09:01] <KalEl> 28 of 42 looks like a borg designation :(
[09:01] <ERGLupin> this time it boot all the way up to desktop
[09:02] <BlueParrot> the update manager wants to install a new version of the wireless driver ...
[09:02] <ERGLupin> I saw the background then it stopped with graphic output again
[09:02] <BlueParrot> do I feel lucky ?
[09:02] <ERGLupin> is it maybe cause I dont have speakers hooked up? I know that sounds stupid but... <.<
[09:03] <ratpoison> well imo i don't know if sound card can actually tell if they have speakers hooked up or not
[09:03] <ratpoison> cards*
[09:03] <ERGLupin> oh wait nvm it recovered and said "activation of org.gnome.SettingsDaemon timed out"
[09:04] <KalEl> man... 28 of 42 keeps freezing the Distribution Upgrade system - no doubt 7 of 9 is more people's favourite
[09:04] <BlueParrot> ratpoison: depends on the card I guess. Some of them sense if you have headphones connected ...
[09:05] <ERGLupin> does anyone know off hand if that bug still exist on the nvidia-glx-new package?
[09:05] <BlueParrot> ratpoison: think they measure the impedance or smth
[09:06] <Ace2016> BlueParrot: well most kde apps only need kde libs, and thats about it
[09:06] <KalEl> is there any way to clean-sweep the installation process so far before retrying?
[09:06] <ratpoison> BlueParrot: if they had to do it some way, it would have to be that, but I have serious off topic concerns as an electronincs engineer on how that can be fail-safe
[09:06] <BlueParrot> Ace2016: well they do bitch a lot about displays and throw up a bunch of warnings if you start them from a terminal
[09:07] <BlueParrot> ratpoison: I study nuclear physics, there's no such thing as fail-safe ; )
[09:07] <Ace2016> checked if they do the same in kde?
[09:07] <ratpoison> :)
[09:08] <ERGLupin> gparted plays nicely with NTFS partitions right?
[09:08] <BlueParrot> ratpoison: it probably just measures the current at an inaudible signal and tries to guess what is connected
[09:08] <ratpoison> ERGLupin: to the extent of my experience it does
[09:09] <joakim-> anyone had problems with adobe flash installing properly?
[09:09] <ratpoison> what do you get with bluetooth headphones, though? :p, or with bluetooth wiring to your stereo?
[09:09] <joakim-> well it installs alright, just doesnt work in firefox
[09:09] <ERGLupin> hmm it didnt destroy my Vista partition but it might of my XP one
[09:09] <BlueParrot> hmmm, does the "unattended-updates" package start on its own if you install it, or is it just there to be used if you decide you need it ?
[09:09] <KalEl> can't believe i'm pwned at the "Modifying the software channels" stage!
[09:10] <branstrom> Anyone got NVTV working with an NVIDIA card?
[09:10] <branstrom> It says Fatal: no supported video card found
[09:10] <spiderpig> hello yall
[09:10] <spiderpig> can i put in a order for a gutsy gibbon cd right now?
[09:10] <ERGLupin> is swap partition suppose to be twice the size of your ram?
[09:11] <ERGLupin> of was that Windows pagefile?
[09:11] <BlueParrot> oh btw, kudos to whoever changed the sudo password prompt, completely unneccessary and trivial improvements like that make me smile : )
[09:11] <ratpoison> ERGLupin: well, not anymore, I believe 2gbs or swap is pretty much enough
[09:11] <ratpoison> for normal desktop use
[09:11] <cj_> i should be able to boot an x86 cd on an amd64 machine shouldn't i?
[09:11] <ratpoison> no matter how big your RAM is
[09:11] <ERGLupin> oh ok good 8GB seemed like a lot
[09:12] <branstrom> ratpoison: is there any configuration to change for that or could one just resize the swap partition and be done with it?
[09:13] <ratpoison> branstrom: not to my awareness, although I bet that ther is. Can't gparted do it?
[09:13] <branstrom> gparted only resizes the partition, right?
[09:13] <branstrom> I was wondering if there was something else to do
[09:13] <branstrom> so I don't fuck anything up
[09:14] <spiderpig> whats new in gusty gibbon?
[09:14] <ratpoison> barnstrom: don't mistake me for a wizard, I've actually been using linux for about 6 months :)
[09:14] <ERGLupin> lol there is a list spiderpig
[09:14] <ERGLupin> what are you asking branstrom?
[09:14] <spiderpig> ERGLupin hello sir. you know?
[09:15] <ERGLupin> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/gutsybeta
[09:15] <spiderpig> is there some security issues that will be fixed in gusty gibbon?
[09:15] <BlueParrot> hmm, who si Vadim Zeitlin and Scott Ritchie , and why are their keys in the default list for "trusted software providers" ?
[09:15] <BlueParrot> to the google mobile ...
[09:15] <extra> any graphics gurus in here?
[09:15] <branstrom> spiderpig: there are many many changes
[09:15] <DanaG> http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer9/
[09:15] <BlueParrot> extra: define guru ...
[09:15] <DanaG> yay, an update.
[09:15] <DanaG> It claims to add hardware acceleration.
[09:16] <extra> my xserver-xorg-video-intel isn't working since my upgrade to gutsy
[09:16] <extra> BlueParrot: someone with knowledge to make gutsy stop using vesa and start using xserver-xorg-video-intel
[09:16] <BlueParrot> extra: does it give you an error when it tries to start ?
[09:17] <branstrom> DanaG: does it render Flash movies faster? That's my main gripe.
[09:17] <ratpoison> anyways. Time for me to scram
[09:17] <DanaG> I'll test it.
[09:17] <KalEl> <--- pwned
[09:17] <ERGLupin> lol just at Flash9
[09:17] <DanaG> Give me a link to test.
[09:17] <BlueParrot> extra: try dmesg | grep intel    and see what it comes up with
[09:17] <KalEl> i curse my bad luck
[09:17] <KalEl> i suppose i will try it again tomorrow
[09:17] <extra> BlueParrot: Not anymore.. but when it first upgraded, the first thing that popped up was a black screen with the graphics applet in the center of the screen, asking me to configure it cause it didn't config right or something.. ok, doing that
[09:17] <branstrom> sIFR gets unusable, for example
[09:17] <branstrom> DanaG: http://fmsweden.se
[09:17] <branstrom> not unusable, but close
[09:18] <ERGLupin> oh 9 is newest in Windows too
[09:18] <extra> BlueParrot:  dmesg | grep intel
[09:18] <extra> [   18.944000]  ieee80211: Copyright (C) 2004-2005 Intel Corporation <jketreno@linux.intel.com>
[09:18] <extra> thats it
[09:18] <BlueParrot> hmmm
[09:18] <BlueParrot> what does your xorg.conf say ?
[09:18] <BlueParrot> about the driver ...
[09:18] <DanaG> Wow, that page is rather cpu-intensive when loading.
[09:19] <KalEl> is there any non-graphical way to upgrade? sudo apt-get upgrade did not really work...
[09:19] <KalEl> it ran normally but did 0 upgrades
[09:19] <extra> BlueParrot: well, it says vesa.. the graphics failed to configure stuff, and the only button that got me out of it was 'cancel' and then it said it was storing my conf to "xorg.conf.broken" .. but I restarted and I think it wrote over the .broken again
[09:20] <BlueParrot> KalEl: normally you use dist-upgrade between versions, and aptitude tends to be better at it than apt-get
[09:20] <will__> how can you do a video capture of the screen?
[09:20] <BlueParrot> extra: hmm, ok
[09:20] <sin1> how do I set pcmanfm as my default file manager?
[09:21] <DanaG> Oh, I see: the new flash is a beta.
[09:21] <ERGLupin> mhm
[09:21] <BlueParrot> extra: you had better talk to someone with experience with intel , I am on AMD
[09:21] <DanaG> So the package won't do it.
[09:21] <ERGLupin> um AMD?
[09:21] <extra> BlueParrot: k.  sucks though.  you'd think this wouldn't happen when intel is the open driver
[09:21] <ERGLupin> AMD uses child labourers to produce lower quality CPUs that are mainly designed for hackers
[09:22] <branstrom> DanaG: how is it going?
[09:22] <ERGLupin> http://www.adequacy.org/stories/2001.12.2.42056.2147.html
[09:22] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: well ATI for the graphics card... but having an AMD CPU sort of reduces the chance I'm using a intel chipset by a bit ; )
[09:22] <ERGLupin> read it and learn the facts
[09:22] <BlueParrot> extra: Gutsy is still in Beta , these thinsg happen. It would be worse if it was teh stable release
[09:23] <zer0x`> stupid question, for a x86 pentium 4, i want the i386 realease, right?
[09:23] <ERGLupin> mhm
[09:23] <extra> BlueParrot: yea.. spose so.
[09:23] <sin1> anyone know how to set pcmanfm as my default file manager?
[09:23] <extra> worked fine in feisty
[09:23] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: most chipmakers have outsourced their actual pridcution
[09:23] <ERGLupin> BlueParrot read that article
[09:23] <ERGLupin> its funny as hell
[09:23] <ERGLupin> if it wasnt for the fact it is from 2001 I would think it was fake
[09:24] <ERGLupin> still maybe
[09:24] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: heh, ah, this a bit like "shelly the republican" ?
[09:24] <DanaG> Oh, I had to do a manual install.
[09:25] <ERGLupin> never heard of that
[09:25] <branstrom> DanaG: feel free to highlight me, I'm interested in your progress, but I think I'll install it myself too
[09:25] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: uh, hang on a sec
[09:25] <ERGLupin> is that like a satirical republican blog?
[09:25] <ERGLupin> i found it
[09:25] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: I just realised ... :P
[09:26] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: I'm on intel atm :P
[09:26] <DanaG> Woah, the h.264 does seem to be accelerated.
[09:26] <BlueParrot> !pastebin
[09:26] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:26] <ERGLupin> #8 way to tell if your son is  hacker
[09:26] <ERGLupin> 8. Is your son obsessed with "Lunix"?
[09:26] <radius> is that a lunar os?
[09:27] <radius> only works during a full moon ;p
[09:27] <ERGLupin> yes the jews use it for their holy planning
[09:27] <panosru> hi, how can i change the resolution of login screen?
[09:27] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: uhm, yea.. I'm on AMD ... uhm ... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39290/
[09:27] <ERGLupin> ...i really dont care lol
[09:28] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: I totally forgot I fried my motherboard and had it replaced with a HP from my dad's work :P
[09:28] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: so I'm on a P4 at the moment
[09:28] <BlueParrot> only realised because zer0x mentioned the P4 ...
[09:28] <BlueParrot> and I figured he could use i686 instead of i386
[09:28] <ERGLupin> you keep telling me things I dont care to know
[09:29] <ERGLupin> ;)
[09:29] <BlueParrot> well I found it a bit amusing I yold extra to find someone who uses intel when I am in fact running on a P4 :P
[09:29] <BlueParrot> thou I guess I still don't use an intel GPU
[09:29] <ERGLupin> i use a 8800GTX
[09:30] <BlueParrot> my condolences :P
[09:30] <ERGLupin> why do I have your condolences?
[09:30] <ERGLupin> did someone I know die?
[09:30] <ERGLupin> or did I get fired from a job?
[09:30] <radius> that's next week
[09:31] <radius> BlueParrot, the 8800GTX spec... http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_8800.html
[09:31] <ERGLupin> yeah its "second" best
[09:31] <BlueParrot> but but... free drivers ...
[09:32] <ERGLupin> i say "second" cause the ULTRA isnt really that much better as its just a "We kick ass now and always" move by NVIDIA
[09:32] <ERGLupin> free drivers?
[09:32] <ERGLupin> i dont pay for them
[09:32] <BlueParrot> my Radeon 9200 have open source drivers in xorg : )
[09:32] <ERGLupin> dont care
[09:33] <superkiwi> uhm, is the adept_anager --version upgrade abit unstable? I get bad checksums for the installer and then for the downloaded files it gets. And it also just closes. I'm trying to upgrade to kubuntu 7.10.
[09:33] <ERGLupin> i like open source
[09:33] <ERGLupin> but i dont demand it
[09:33] <ERGLupin> just like I like pepsi
[09:33] <ERGLupin> but if they ask if coke is ok I say yeah
[09:33] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: neither did I, except that you had to mess about with nVidia's crazy kernel hack to circumvent the GPL
[09:34] <will__> PNY have a 8800 GTX that is overclocked to ultra speeds for GTX prices
[09:34] <ERGLupin> ??
[09:34] <ERGLupin> will__ I can do the same to mine in Software
[09:34] <ERGLupin> BlueParrot crazy kernel hack?
[09:34] <ERGLupin> you mean go to synaptic
[09:34] <ERGLupin> and download nvidia-glx-new?
[09:34] <ERGLupin> and tell restricted to use it?
[09:34] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: the GPL means they can't stick the driver into the kernel, so instead they put a kernel module with some hooks in there
[09:34] <superkiwi> The adept_manager crashes after it tells me that some of my programs is not longer supported. Bleh.
[09:35] <will__> its the pny 8800 gtx xlr8
[09:35] <ERGLupin> well apparently Linus Trovalous doesnt like the GPL anymore
[09:35] <ERGLupin> not relevant at all
[09:35] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: and well, sometiems it has .. issues ...
[09:35] <will__> yes but ERGLupin you void your warranty and lose all support....
[09:35] <ERGLupin> just felt like saying he is an idiot
[09:35] <ERGLupin> will__ no
[09:35] <ERGLupin> NVIDIA supports OCing
[09:35] <ERGLupin> they have their own tools for it
[09:35] <will__> not when you cook it hehe
[09:35] <ERGLupin> well yeah
[09:36] <ERGLupin> but if you do it
[09:36] <will__> but yeah....everyone oc's...so I see your point
[09:36] <ERGLupin> and it breaks
[09:36] <ERGLupin> from something else
[09:36] <ERGLupin> its cool
[09:36] <ERGLupin> the ULTRA is a waste of money
[09:36] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: actually Linus dissaproves of GPLv3 , and regardless it is not just his code in the kernel
[09:36] <ERGLupin> i know and I think he is a retard for his reason
[09:36] <ERGLupin> sorry for being rude
[09:36] <BlueParrot> but really, lets not start arguing about that...
[09:37] <ERGLupin> why do you agree with his reasoning?
[09:37] <will__> Linus this...Linus that.....
[09:37] <ERGLupin> I would of never pegged the father of Linux to be a DRM lover
[09:37] <stamen> hi
[09:37] <ERGLupin> hiya
[09:37] <stamen> who can help me to install proper codecs
[09:37] <stamen> to watch .avi
[09:37] <superkiwi> Guys, my adept_manager --version_upgrade is crashing right after I get a message that some of my apps is not longer supported (and may be removed). But I now have 832 packages ready to be upgraded. Should I download the packages even though I won't 'install' them with the ksedu adept_manager --version_upgrade... ?
[09:38] <ERGLupin> VLC can
[09:38] <stamen> and other
[09:38] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: I don't, I was just pointing out that he isn't fundamentally opposed to the GPL or even GPLv3 , the "argument" is not quite as bad as some people make it out to be
[09:38] <stamen> yes but the picture is like scrambled
[09:38] <ERGLupin> in VLC?
[09:38] <sin1>  anyone know how to set pcmanfm as my default file manager?
[09:38] <stamen> there is voice and titles, but picture is scrambled
[09:38] <ERGLupin> well VLC is codec free
[09:38] <ERGLupin> so its a problem with the AVI file id assume
[09:39] <ERGLupin> ive read what he said
[09:39] <ERGLupin> the "TiVo Clause"
[09:39] <ERGLupin> though really I forget what it was all about
[09:39] <ERGLupin> cept he was pro DRM
[09:39] <ERGLupin> and in a world in which DRM is on the way out
[09:39] <ERGLupin> seemed weird
[09:39] <BlueParrot> stamen: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats I /think/ it still applies in Gutsy
[09:40] <kane77> hi there.. my boot stops at Starting MTA..
[09:40] <hype_> anyone having issue with alsa/PCM in mplayer ?
[09:40] <hype_> BlueParrot , you have a new package on gutsy: ubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:40] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: Linus isn't pro DRM, I think he just found the anti-DRM clause in GPLv3 to be overly broad.
[09:41] <stamen> ok I will try
[09:41] <BlueParrot> hype_: surely you have that in feisty as well ?
[09:41] <hype_> nope
[09:41] <BlueParrot> hype_: you sure about that? Because I installed a package called ubuntu-restricted-extras ...
[09:41] <hype_> most of the packages it installs ARE available for feisty, but you dont have a handy package that installs them all :D
[09:41] <BlueParrot> hype_: in fact, the page I linked to tells you to do so to get codecs on feisty
[09:42] <ERGLupin> Torvalds specifically objected to one new provision in the GPL 3 draft that opposes digital rights management, which is technology that uses encryption to control the use of content and running of software. "I think it's insane to require people to make their private signing keys available, for example. I wouldn't do it," he said.
[09:42] <hype_> ho, really?
[09:42] <kane77> well not actually stops, but certainly stalls for quite a while... what can I do?
[09:42] <hype_> thats good
[09:42] <kane77> what is MTA anyway?
[09:43] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: yes, if you read that you will see that his comment was not "I think DRM is fine" , that particular quote is taken out of context.
[09:43] <ERGLupin> i know
[09:43] <ERGLupin> im confused though
[09:43] <ERGLupin> if linux is open source
[09:43] <stamen> BlueParrot: no, this not works
[09:43] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: I think he basically misunderstood just what the anti-DRM clause is saying , or thinks it will have some implications that it won't
[09:43] <ERGLupin> how does one man have the right to say if the kernel can be under which license?
[09:44] <BlueParrot> stamen: specifically how does it not work ?
[09:44] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: he doesn't , in fact, he couldn't say it should use GPLv3 if he wanted to
[09:45] <stamen> BlueParrot: http://pastebin.com/d64cf2c22
[09:45] <ERGLupin> http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0601.3/0559.html
[09:45] <ERGLupin> thats where the quote came from
[09:45] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: it boils down to copyright law, and because the kernel is a mess of code, some licensed GPLv2 or latter, some GPLv2 only, some GPL ( any version ) and some BSD , or some other crap... it is just a pain to sort it out ...
[09:46] <ERGLupin> no no I agree
[09:46] <ERGLupin> the issue is his stance on DRM
[09:46] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: completely theoretically you would have to hunt down everyone who has copyright on code in the kernel and ask them for permission to change the license unless they used the "or latter" language.
[09:46] <ERGLupin> if you are going to use open source code I dont think you should be allowed to use DRM alongside it
[09:47] <stamen> BlueParrot: did you see what I send?
[09:47] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: again I agree, but there are different ways to go about that
[09:47] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: and I think Linus complaint was that the current GPLv3 clause would prohibit some legitimate things , i.e it is too broad
[09:48] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: I dunno if he is right, but it is not as if he is basically saying "I think DRM is all fine and dandy"
[09:48] <ERGLupin> well there is nothing illegitimate with DRM
[09:48] <BlueParrot> you know what I meant
[09:48] <BlueParrot> stamen: hang on a sec
[09:48] <stamen> ok
[09:49] <BlueParrot> stamen: oh, did you try the other way ?
[09:49] <stamen> ?
[09:49] <BlueParrot> stamen: use add/remove to install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[09:49] <jussi01> frostburn: ping
[09:49] <BlueParrot> stamen: it will pull in quite a lot of crap , like Sun Java and some fonts
[09:50] <BlueParrot> stamen: but if you want all the proprietary codecs I assume you want that as well ?
[09:50] <stamen> yes I want them
[09:50] <frostburn> what's up
[09:52] <jussi01> frostburn: just wanted to know if there was anyone else you suggest I annoy to get that bug from yesterday looked at...
[09:52] <jussi01> :)
[09:52] <frostburn> jussi01, fix the resolution?
[09:52] <jussi01> frostburn: no, not yet
[09:52] <frostburn> maybe in ubuntu-devel but i doubt it
[09:53] <ERGLupin> does UBUNTU have to have GRUB to load?
[09:53] <frostburn> after some thought, it might just be a problem with the ati driver
[09:53] <jussi01> frostburn: yes, i think I would agree with that
[09:54] <frostburn> so perhaps #ati
[09:54] <jussi01> heh... now your thinking... (duh) :)
[09:55] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: technically no, you can load it with another boot loader, why you'd want to is another matter tho ...
[09:55] <nox-Hand> Is it not a regular bug that laptops with Intel sound dont have sound after Gutsy upgrade?
[09:55] <ERGLupin> hm
[09:55] <nox-Hand> I don't anyway
[09:55] <ERGLupin> can vista handle not having its loader on MBR?
[09:55] <nox-Hand> !dualboot
[09:55] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookProFeisty
[09:56] <BlueParrot> nox-Hand: I bet you it is your mixer settings that have just muted the volume
[09:56] <cyrano> hi. i am trying to install a nautilus script in gutsy but can't fin scripst menu when i rightclick files in nautilus. why
[09:56] <nox-Hand> ERGLupin: Read that ubotu just said
[09:56] <nox-Hand> BlueParrot: Nope
[09:56] <nox-Hand> I read about it somewhere
[09:56] <nox-Hand> Lemme find it again
[09:56] <spiderpig> when it comes to security in linux i should focus mostly on rootkits and firewalls, correct? viruses and malware and such is no issue in linux?
[09:57] <BlueParrot> nox-Hand: the Intel sound driver miss-labels the mixer channels. Set ALL volume controlls to AT LEAST 90% , I had the same problems and it turns out the propper volume controlls were "Headphones" and "PCM" , "Master" didn't do anything
[09:57] <spiderpig> is there a /ubuntu/security channel btw?
[09:57] <cyrano> also i can't play wma files... though i think i have installed the right codecs. pls help
[09:57] <BlueParrot> nox-Hand: there could be other issues as well, but try that bit first
[09:57] <BlueParrot> cyrano: if they are encrypted you are out of luck
[09:57] <ERGLupin> ok so just pop back in my VIsta install disc and hit repaid
[09:58] <ERGLupin> repair
[09:58] <kane77> hi there.. my boot stall at Starting MTA for quite a while.. is it known bug? (I couldnt find it on launchpad)
[09:58] <BlueParrot> cyrano: as far as I know there is no way to play Microsoft DRM encrypted WMA files. You should be able to play non-encrypted wma thou ...
[09:58] <cyrano> why? thats what movieplayer says
[09:58] <nox-Hand> BlueParrot: Never mind, that bug was fixed I see :)
[09:58] <spiderpig> ERGLupin lol you install vista? are you scuecidal?
[09:58] <cyrano> ok... so if movie player says they are encryted they surely are drm files...?
[09:59] <ERGLupin> spiderpig um no
[09:59] <ERGLupin> im a gamer
[09:59] <spiderpig> vista is the aabsolut worst system i ever tested in my life
[09:59] <nox-Hand> spiderpig: Let him if he thinks it's any good
[09:59] <ERGLupin> well
[09:59] <nox-Hand> spiderpig: Let him fail
[09:59] <ERGLupin> then you missed out on a lot
[09:59] <nox-Hand> :)
[09:59] <spiderpig> the whole system feels like its made to control from outside
[09:59] <spiderpig> seriously
[09:59] <BlueParrot> nox-Hand: run ALSA-mixer and set all volumes to a LARGE volume, and make sure nothing is muted. I had to pull the "headphones" volume above 70% to hear anything
[09:59] <spiderpig> i am not trying to bash you sir but
[09:59] <spiderpig> :/
[09:59] <nox-Hand> ERGLupin: You need DX10?
[09:59] <ERGLupin> some games I play use it yea
[09:59] <BlueParrot> nox-Hand: uhm, make that alsa-mixer
[09:59] <ERGLupin> Vista is not that bad
[09:59] <ERGLupin> tat all
[09:59] <nox-Hand> That's the ONLY reasonto use Vista, DX10
[09:59] <spiderpig> ERGLupin i understand the whole 'i want to game thing' but atleast run win XP
[09:59] <ERGLupin> and its getting better
[10:00] <ERGLupin> need DX10
[10:00] <ERGLupin> and yea DX10 is the only reason to run Vista
[10:00] <ERGLupin> i still have XP
[10:00] <nox-Hand> A nicely setup Compiz Fusion + open source Linux beats Vista any day but on the gaming level
[10:00] <ERGLupin> on a partition
[10:00] <ERGLupin> yea it does
[10:00] <spiderpig> ERGLuin aight
[10:00] <BlueParrot> Most games don't even use DX10 yet
[10:00] <ERGLupin> well
[10:00] <ERGLupin> lets be honest
[10:00] <nox-Hand> ERGLupin: I still ahve Vista. For school. When we use it at school, I usually try to use Linux apps anyway :P
[10:00] <ERGLupin> OS X beats all
[10:00] <nox-Hand> I just feel.... fail.. when I use XP
[10:00] <spiderpig> nox-hand i just use open office these days
[10:01] <ERGLupin> meh
[10:01] <ERGLupin> open office sucks
[10:01] <spiderpig> works for me.
[10:01] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: OSX is BSD with added vendor lockin and eye-candy
[10:01] <ERGLupin> OS X is the best
[10:01] <spiderpig> just as well as excel did. i use calc
[10:01] <ERGLupin> you know it
[10:01] <BlueParrot> Free as in speech all the way ...
[10:01] <spiderpig> i can do all the same stuff
[10:01] <ERGLupin> and if you dont admit it you are just jealous
[10:01] <nox-Hand> spiderpig: MathCad, some hardware layout apps we use, and Office 2k7 .docx
[10:01] <nox-Hand> = fail all of em :)
[10:01] <spiderpig> ERGLupin i just told you i do all the same shit i did in excel with calc
[10:01] <ERGLupin> and paying 130 for a top notch OS
[10:01] <nox-Hand> brb, reboot
[10:01] <ERGLupin> is no biggie
[10:02] <nox-Hand> ERGLupin: Only, it's not.
[10:02] <nox-Hand> I pay 0 for a top notch OS
[10:02] <nox-Hand> Only, it is :D
[10:02] <ERGLupin> OS X is top notch
[10:02] <BlueParrot> excel ... calc ... pfffft real men use Fortran 90 : )
[10:02] <spiderpig> nox-hand office 2007 sucks atleast use 2003 its standard
[10:02] <nox-Hand> ERGLupin: Okay, you got me, it's not that bad
[10:02] <spiderpig> blueperrot lol
[10:02] <ERGLupin> its not bad ata ll
[10:02] <nox-Hand> spiderpig: School demands :[
[10:02] <Nalleman> hi all. I get really bad framerate and overall bad performance with gutsy. glxgears makes X crash. Im having Intel 945GM integrated graphics. Someone know if this can be fixed?
[10:02] <ERGLupin> its the best OS period
[10:02] <ERGLupin> forget about mone
[10:02] <ERGLupin> money
[10:02] <spiderpig> nox-hand tell your fascist teacher to stop catering to MS
[10:02] <ERGLupin> usability and stability
[10:02] <spiderpig> office 2007 smells windows ME
[10:02] <ERGLupin> OS X is the best
[10:03] <spiderpig> OSX is neat
[10:03] <spiderpig> like it alot
[10:03] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: are you running coompzi or beryl ?
[10:03] <spiderpig> but idiot jobs is so closed minded
[10:03] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, no, metacity
[10:03] <BlueParrot> damn, I spell bad today ...
[10:03] <ERGLupin> why do you say that?
[10:03] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: I dunno then , sorry
[10:03] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, or whatever is standard...
[10:03] <ERGLupin> im not going to defend him or anything just curious
[10:04] <spiderpig> so did you all hear that russia is going to install a new type of linux on all school computers and government worker computers?
[10:04] <ERGLupin> mhm
[10:04] <spiderpig> Linux Russia or something
[10:04] <ERGLupin> makes sense
[10:04] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: it might be running something with composition by default
[10:04] <ERGLupin> shit economy
[10:04] <ERGLupin> free stuff
[10:04] <ERGLupin> hand in hand
[10:04] <ERGLupin> using that equation
[10:04] <spiderpig> ERGLupin biggest reason is that ms has backdoors it use to steal economic information from EU and Russia to NSA
[10:04] <ERGLupin> america must be next
[10:04] <spiderpig> microsoft dell lotus they all do it
[10:05] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: glxgears crashing X definately sounds as if something is horribly broken
[10:05] <sebastian> hi guys ... i have a problem with the screen flickering in gutsy ...
[10:05] <spiderpig> and they dont spy for terrorists. its economic info they are after
[10:05] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: can you pastebin the output of glxinfo ?
[10:05] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, sure
[10:05] <sebastian> it happens seemingly randomly ... just suddenly the screen flickers and then goes back to normal for awhile and then again
[10:06] <jussi01> frostburn: do you know how to goabout rolling it back to a working version?
[10:06] <spiderpig> ERGLupin the whitehouse stoped implementing open office in government workplace
[10:06] <sebastian> it has also happened that after a flicker the whole system froze and responded to no input ... only way to fix it was to reboot with the reset button
[10:06] <jussi01> frostburn: since we have no bites in #ati atm...
[10:06] <frostburn> jussi01, you could try installing the drivers from ati's site
[10:06] <ERGLupin> speaking of gaming
[10:06] <BlueParrot> sebastian: what graphics card and drivers are you using ?
[10:07] <ERGLupin> everyone know that Unreal Tournament 3 will be shipping with Linux binaries?
[10:07] <jussi01> frostburn: true, but i would rather just roll it back to the working version
[10:07] <sebastian> BlueParrot: nvidia with the nvidia-glx-new package
[10:07] <nox-Hand> spiderpig: I am close to having my moothers school convinced that Ubuntu Linux would greatly lower the costs of running their systems AND it would rid of most virusses students accidentally install
[10:07] <sebastian> BlueParrot: oh forgot to mention compiz-fusion's turned on
[10:07] <frostburn> jussi01, i don't think there's older versions in the repositories
[10:07] <nox-Hand> Most = all ;)
[10:07] <Nalleman> http://pastebin.com/d51316621
[10:07] <Nalleman> BlueParrot,
[10:07] <jussi01> hmm
[10:08] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: one sec
[10:08] <spiderpig> nox-hand good work! i am going to switch over to linux and open office on all 100 computers in my business. we are gonna stop buying ms licences and cut away all that cost and use 10 % to buy customer support for linux instead
[10:08] <nox-Hand> Nalleman: No Direct rendering
[10:08] <BlueParrot> sebastian: its your own damn fault then :P , on a more serious note, I don't know what is wrong. I'm guessing it is some beta problems.
[10:08] <nox-Hand> spiderpig: Thing is, they need to be taught ho to use it, it's a big job
[10:08] <nox-Hand> I might be able to get pay for it, though, not sure
[10:09] <nox-Hand> My mother is principal at the school ;)
[10:09] <spiderpig> nox-hand either they use it or they can seek new jobs
[10:09] <Nalleman> nox-Hand, yes. probably why x crashes when i try
[10:09] <spiderpig> i dont care
[10:09] <sebastian> BlueParrot: it did happen before in feisty, but then disappeared ... now after upgrading to gutsy it's happening again
[10:09] <nox-Hand> spiderpig: =] 
[10:09] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: you don't have direct rendering, and your display is on 1
[10:09] <sebastian> BlueParrot: also, compiz is turned on by default
[10:09] <spiderpig> nox-hand :)))
[10:09] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, what does display on 1 mean?
[10:09] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: I think you are running compiz without realising it, try turning it off in the settings
[10:09] <ERGLupin> someone say my name please
[10:10] <spiderpig> ERGLupin
[10:10] <ERGLupin> damn
[10:10] <BlueParrot> sebastian: yea, I know , that was a bad decision imo. You can tun it off thou
[10:10] <sebastian> BlueParrot: yeah I know ... I might see if it makes a difference ... it looks nice though :)
[10:10] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, where is the settings.. : ] 
[10:10] <nox-Hand> ...and I have compiz back
[10:10] <nox-Hand> Cheers guys, bedtime, night.
[10:10] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: well I don't run it so I'm not quite sure tbh ...
[10:11] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: see if it is under the settings menu somewhere
[10:11] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, i found it
[10:11] <BlueParrot> ah ok
[10:11] <ERGLupin> do it again please spiderpig
[10:11] <BlueParrot> see if disabling it makes a difference
[10:11] <Nalleman> but it says "no desktop candy" or however this translates into english
[10:11] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: you could join with another client and do it yourself you know ...
[10:11] <ERGLupin> there we go
[10:11] <spiderpig> nox-.hand c u later mate
[10:11] <ERGLupin> i love growl
[10:12] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: yes, its fine
[10:12] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, yes. :) But now what...
[10:12] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: compiz basically uses your 3D card to do some fancy desktop effects, some which are useful, some which are just for show
[10:13] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: run:  glxinfo | grep direct
[10:13] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: it should output direct rendering: Yes , hopefully
[10:14] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, unfortuneately it says "no"
[10:14] <ERGLupin> BlueParrot which ones are useful?
[10:15] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: the "scale" plugin can be seen as useful depending on your preference
[10:15] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, Actually it says "No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)".
[10:15] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: yea, ignore that for now
[10:15] <ERGLupin> wow for some reason this beta wont turn off my PC or restart it
[10:15] <ERGLupin> i have to manually turn it off
[10:15] <ERGLupin> some how a lot of things broke for me from T5 to beta
[10:15] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: what does       cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep dri     say ?
[10:16] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, nothing
[10:16] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: ah, ok
[10:16] <savvas> BlueParrot: it eats off all your files :p
[10:16] <yeniklasorr> Alsa sound has broken. How can I fix it ?
[10:16] <savvas> you have man cat and man grep don't you?
[10:16] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: direct rendering is disabled for you
[10:17] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: do you know how to edit xorg.conf ?
[10:17] <Nalleman> guess so
[10:17] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: try adding:   Load    "dri"  to the module section
[10:18] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: might want to make sure you have    Load "glx"   there as well
[10:19] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, i cant find the module section. is it there by default?
[10:19] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: it should be ...
[10:19] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: why don't you pastebin your xorg.conf ...
[10:19] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, sure thing
[10:22] <profoX`> are there any nvidia + ipw
[10:22] <spiderpig> how do i best make my ubuntu secure?
[10:22] <Nalleman> http://pastebin.com/m5b813c09
[10:22] <Nalleman> Blackgoth,
[10:22] <profoX`> +ipw3945 users here*
[10:22] <Nalleman> Sorry, BlueParrot
[10:23] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: oooh, you don't actually have it :P
[10:23] <profoX`> I seem to be running into _serious_ problems with my new HP Pavilion laptop.. this bug describes my problem http://www.bughost.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1483
[10:23] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: save a backup copy of that one in case we break something
[10:23] <ubotu> bughost.org bug 1483 in __UNSPECIFIED__ "NVIDIA / ipw3945 issue: system freezes and/or network stops" [Critical,New] 
[10:23] <profoX`> anyone had a similar issue?
[10:23] <Nalleman> :)
[10:24] <maco_> anyone here have intel graphics?
[10:24] <profoX`> maco_: I have on my other laptop
[10:24] <extra> look at this debacle: https://bugs.launchpad.net/dell/+bug/140833
[10:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140833 in compiz "Gutsy compiz won't enable on intel 965 laptop after 9/18/07 updates" [Undecided,Invalid] 
[10:24] <profoX`> (I love intel graphics... the laptop with the intel GPU is the only laptop I never had any problems with)
[10:24] <maco_> profoX`: does screen-dim make the screen go black instead of just dim with gutsy for you?
[10:24] <extra> "No. 965 simply doesn't support Xv with composite unless you're using the EXA acceleration implementation, which we're not. Since there's no acceptable workaround, compiz will be disabled by default on 965 hardware."
[10:25] <profoX`> maco_: umm, screen dim? wait
[10:25] <maco_> when you disconnect AC power and the screen dims for battery power
[10:25] <extra> so yea, all us people who bought the ubuntu based 1420n lappys? yea, no compiz
[10:25] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, Done
[10:25] <maco_> well, i mean its not pure black...there are shadows of windows, but you have to adjust brightness to get the stuff back
[10:25] <profoX`> maco_: no, it does not, but I am able to dim the brightness to completely black if I slide the thing to 0% in guidance (kde power control stuff)
[10:26] <maco_> hmm that automatically happens when my screen dims
[10:26] <profoX`> maco_: but it dims to 75% here (I configured it that way)
[10:26] <maco_> as of upgrading to gutsy yesterday morning
[10:26] <extra> What sucks is, they don't actually disable compiz, they disable the intel driver... SO NO 3D GAMES!  for Gutsy on the 965 GPUs
[10:26] <maco_> profoX`: oooo there's a config thing for htat
[10:27] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: try this http://pastebin.com/m7ff6def2
[10:27] <maco_> extra: i thought the xserver-xorg-video-intel wored for 965
[10:27] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: note the highlighted lines
[10:27] <profoX`> maco_: yea, click on the power icon, or right click, i'm not sure, but it is configurable in GNOME yes, and in KDE too, by clicking the battery icon
[10:27] <extra> maco: it did in feisty, but they blacklisted it in gutsy recently
[10:27] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, you only edited the coloured right?
[10:27] <maco_> oh
[10:28] <Nalleman> oh.. sorry
[10:28] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: I sure hope so :P
[10:28] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, :) i will try
[10:28] <profoX`> extra: umm, Xv + Aiglx is a problem you mean? someone is creating a patch for that for AIGLX (Xglx doesnt have that restriction btw, neither does the nvidia 'hack')
[10:28] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: DO save a backup of the old xorg.conf
[10:28] <maco_> profoX`: i just tried config'ing it, and as i slide the slider (it was set at "dim display by 70%") it flashes between black, and visible repeatedly, strobe-light-style
[10:28] <profoX`> extra: X11/XShm works fine in Aiglx though for video, with mplayer you can achieve decent video scaling too
[10:28] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, relax... ;)
[10:29] <profoX`> (software video scaling)
[10:29] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: heh, sure
[10:29] <profoX`> maco_: scary..
[10:29] <profoX`> maco_: I haven't updated the last 2 days though
[10:29] <profoX`> I have a lot of problems myself right now with nvidia + ipw3945 :-(
[10:29] <maco_> i just started using gutsy two days ago
[10:29] <profoX`> on my nvidia laptop
[10:29] <extra> profoX`: I could care less about aiglx, really.. I mean, compiz is nice and  all, but by blacklisting the driver, they just disabled my gpu, and my ability to play 3d games... all because of some Xv thing..
[10:29] <maco_> idk what it was like last week :P
[10:30] <profoX`> extra: well, I wouldn't understand why.. an you give me a link to that discussion/decision?
[10:30] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: probably don't have to tell you, ut you need to restart X for that to do anything :P
[10:30] <extra> profoX`: https://bugs.launchpad.net/dell/+bug/140833
[10:31] <extra> profoX`: "Status: Wont Fix"
[10:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140833 in compiz "Gutsy compiz won't enable on intel 965 laptop after 9/18/07 updates" [Undecided,Invalid] 
[10:31] <BlueParrot> extra: so disable aiglx and compiz, and remove it from the blacklist ?
[10:31] <extra> compiz is disabled.. I tried the workaround to remove it from the black list.. still doesn't work
[10:32] <yeniklasorr> Alsa sound has broken. How can I fix it ?
[10:33] <profoX`> extra: I don't think they disable the intel + dri driver itself though
[10:33] <profoX`> extra: so 3D games should still work I think
[10:33] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, i will try now.. brb (hopefully... ;)
[10:34] <BlueParrot> extra: if I understood the big report correctly the issue is a bug in the Intel Graphics driver
[10:35] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, still no Direct rendering
[10:35] <extra> BlueParrot: until the upgrade, I was loving my 965
[10:35] <extra> (before the blacklisting)
[10:36] <BlueParrot> extra they aren't blacklisting the driver in modprobe, they are blacklisting it in teh sense that compiz won't be enabled on it
[10:36] <MStublefield> Has anyone else been getting horribly slow downloads through Synaptic?
[10:36] <ERGLupin> for some reason grub isnt seeing my XP install
[10:37] <ERGLupin> and even though I changed active partitions in gparted it still comes up as if its the boot partition
[10:37] <extra> BlueParrot: ah, yea, I see the blacklist is in the compiz.sh  .. what command do I used to see what driver I'm running?
[10:37] <BlueParrot> extra: not sure actually, does glxinfo tell you ?
[10:38] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, ctr + alt + backspace should be enouht, right? Im not supposed to restart the computer?
[10:38] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: yea, just log out and kill the X server
[10:38] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: it shoudl come right back up
[10:38] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, Didnt help... sorry
[10:38] <BlueParrot> still no direct rendering  ?
[10:39] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, no
[10:39] <MStublefield> So I'm the only one with the super-slowness for dist-upgrade and downloading packages through Synaptic on Gutsy?
[10:39] <BlueParrot> MStublefield: no idea, I haven't tried today...
[10:40] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: hmmm
[10:40] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: what does the first few lines of glxinfo sai ?
[10:40] <BlueParrot> *say
[10:40] <MStublefield> Was having problems when I installed Gutsy two weeks ago. Over 500 upgrade downloads needed, but I think the average speed was around 5kb/s.
[10:40] <extra> BlueParrot: it says Direct Rendering: No
[10:40] <MStublefield> Downloading from another source, I hit about 2 mB/s.
[10:40] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, jorn@bjorn:~$ glxinfo
[10:40] <Nalleman> name of display: :1.0
[10:40] <Nalleman> display: :1  screen: 0
[10:40] <Nalleman> direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)server glx vendor string: SGI
[10:41] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: it is still running on display 1 ...
[10:41] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: are you sure you found the right place to turn of compiz ?
[10:41] <extra> BlueParrot: But it doesn't mention vesa or intel.. does mention mesa
[10:42] <pixl> how can I make xrandr extension recognise the border between my screens when I enable the other screen while X is running?
[10:42] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, well. i think so
[10:42] <BlueParrot> extra try modprobe -l ?
[10:42] <pixl> thing is if i start X with screen plugged in everything works fine, but if I enable the other screen during runtime X things I have one huge screen :S
[10:43] <BlueParrot> pixl: yes X + dual monitors gets "fun"
[10:43] <Creationist225> I'm having a problem with Pidgin.  I installed it, but when I run it (even from the konsole) it immediately exits without a single message...
[10:43] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, It says "visual effects" and its no by default
[10:44] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: hmm, it might still be running compiz thou ...
[10:44] <pixl> is it the driver that fails to report correct data or is problem with xrandr och is it X failing to query the data?
[10:45] <BlueParrot> pixl: I'm not sure but I think it is X11 that is basically a bit limited
[10:45] <extra> BlueParrot: what should I grep for?
[10:45] <BlueParrot> extra I dunno really
[10:45] <Creationist225> I also can't get my refresh rate any higher than 50Hz... this is killing my eyes.  How do I fix this?
[10:45] <extra> BlueParrot: grepping intel only brings back kvm, sound, and wireless stuff.  grepping 965 brings nothing
[10:46] <BlueParrot> extra: oooh, wait , try  glxgears -info
[10:46] <BlueParrot> that gives some output
[10:46] <ERGLupin> does anyone know how to install vista boot loader or whatever to MBR from the command prompt of the vista install disc
[10:46] <BlueParrot> ERGLupin: try ##windows ?
[10:46] <pixl> hmm fixmbr?
[10:46] <pixl> dont know if it works for vista though
[10:46] <Creationist225> ERGLupin: In the recovery console, type "bootrec"
[10:47] <Creationist225> pixl: Vista no longer has fixmbr/
[10:47] <pixl> ok
[10:47] <ERGLupin> but it is bootrec /fixmbr
[10:47] <Creationist225> ERGLupin: Right... but just bootrec would show you options.  Why ask if you already knew?
[10:48] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: if you REALLY want to make sure compiz isn't running you coudl always uninstall the package ...
[10:48] <extra> BlueParrot: found this in my xorg.0.log file
[10:48] <ERGLupin> Creationist225 i just saw the option
[10:48] <extra> BlueParrot: (WW) I810: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:1) found
[10:48] <ERGLupin> i was just saying to pixl
[10:48] <BlueParrot> extra: hmmm
[10:48] <ERGLupin> and it fixed it Creationist225 tyvm
[10:48] <Creationist225> ... How can I change my refresh rate (only 50Hz is available)?  I have a GeForce 6200 and a great new monitor.
[10:48] <ERGLupin> i was about to pull some hairs out
[10:48] <Nalleman> just "sudo apt-get remove compiz?"
[10:48] <BlueParrot> extra: I don't think that is the graphics card
[10:49] <BlueParrot> extra: does glxgears -info give anything interesting ?
[10:49] <extra> BlueParrot: GL_RENDERER   = Mesa GLX Indirect
[10:49] <BlueParrot> extra: also, obvious one, what does xorg.conf say ?
[10:49] <Creationist225> Does Kubuntu Gutsy not include the x-server configuration gui like Ubuntu does?
[10:49] <BlueParrot> extra: what does the vendor string say ?
[10:49] <extra> BlueParrot: xorg.conf says vesa
[10:49] <BlueParrot> extra: then that is what you're running
[10:49] <BlueParrot> extra: try changing it to the intel driver
[10:50] <BlueParrot> extra: in the device section
[10:50] <extra> BlueParrot: that's what gutsy reverted to after the upgrade
[10:50] <pixl> Creationist225: displayconfig-gtk... though it sucks :P
[10:50] <BlueParrot> extra: try to poke it a bit
[10:50] <extra> BlueParrot: so replace vesa with intel in the device section and that's it?
[10:50] <Creationist225> pixl: Well, it's got to be better than being stuck with these terrible-looking fonts and 50Hz refresh rate!
[10:51] <BlueParrot> extra , I'm not sure what the name of the driver actually is
[10:51] <Creationist225> pixl: Well damn... that doesn't offer any options to change it either.
[10:51] <pixl> nvdidia-settings is another option if you got nv card
[10:51] <pixl> yeah told you it sucks :P
[10:51] <BlueParrot> extra: yea , try changing the "driver" line in the Device section to say intel
[10:51] <pixl> just add a correct resolution to xorg.conf
[10:53] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, removing package "compiz" didnt help either...
[10:53] <extra> BlueParrot: done.. do I need to ctrl+alt+backspace ?
[10:54] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: uhm I wasn't completely serious there, but anyway, that is interesting
[10:54] <BlueParrot> extra , that should do it
[10:54] <BlueParrot> extra I dunno what they have actually done with compiz thou
[10:54] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, hehe ok :)
[10:54] <extra> BlueParrot: aight.. i'll be back
[10:55] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: I am seriously pussled why it runs on display 1
[10:55] <shiznit> hello beta people
[10:55] <savvas> <beta people> hello shiznit
[10:55] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, what does that mean?
[10:55] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: and why you don't have any direct rendering
[10:55] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: I think you are actually running on xgl or something crazy like that
[10:56] <BlueParrot> seriously, why why why , did they enable compiz by default ...
[10:56] <savvas> it's not enabled by default
[10:56] <savvas> you need to click to turn it on :)
[10:56] <BlueParrot> hmmm
[10:57] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, i have a process named "Xgl-lockfile-wr" does that help ?
[10:57] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: savvas seems to know more, ask him :P
[10:57] <savvas> Nalleman: a format would do the trick
[10:57] <Nalleman> obviously
[10:58] <BlueParrot> savvas, Nalleman's glxinfo returns display 1 and direct rendering No
[10:58] <savvas> If ubuntu people had a /home/ partition separate it would be sooo much easier
[10:58] <Nalleman> like i used to do, ...with windows..
[10:58] <lusepuster_> jo folks - just upgraded to gutsy and now all icons in Amarok have disappeared - known issue? Running Ubuntu w a few KDE apps
[10:58] <savvas> Nalleman: you had xgl and compiz-fusion in feisty and you upgraded to gutsy?
[10:59] <Nalleman> savvas, maybe, removed beryl but tried compiz-fusion just before i upgraded
[11:00] <ERGLupin> !dual boot
[11:00] <ubotu> Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - MACs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MacBookProFeisty
[11:00] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: oh dear... :P
[11:00] <BlueParrot> hmm, extra doesn't seem to be coming back ...
[11:00] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, Im fucked, right?
[11:01] <BlueParrot> think his X is b0rked ?
[11:01] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: naaa, worst case scenario you can do a fresh install ( you did put /home on a separate partition, no ? )
[11:02] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, No, but i have a extern driver so it could do the trick
[11:04] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: I try to avoid anything that is remotely experimental and touches X
[11:04] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: same with the network
[11:05] <ConstyXIV> is ubuntu going to start releasing DVDs only instead of CDs?
[11:05] <nrossin> Okay, so now I'm stuck in some funky resolution that doesn't even fill my monitor.  Trying to make changes to the resolution does absolutely nothing.  IT just says "Trying new settings..." but it doesn't actually change resolutions.  Any ideas how I can fix this?
[11:08] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, maybe I will try a fresh install... you are probably right. how should i proceed then. just format my driver and start all over again (after copying important files ofcourse) or is there a better way?
[11:09] <ConstyXIV> i noticed the gutsy beta was only released as a dvd.  is ubuntu moving to dvds instead of cds, or is it a "beta-only" thing?
[11:11] <nrossin> ConstyXIV: I got the Beta on CD
[11:12] <nrossin> ConstyXIV: Right on the main download page
[11:13] <ConstyXIV> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/
[11:14] <nrossin> ConstyXIV: Ah.  I went with Kubuntu (a mistake as always)... lol
[11:14] <wasabi> This is odd. My NTP has ceased working.
[11:16] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, Cant i just reinstall x?!
[11:16] <nrossin> ConstyXIV: http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/7.10/
[11:17] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: "just"
[11:17] <Nalleman> BlueParrot, :)
[11:17] <nrossin> Okay, so now I'm stuck in some funky resolution that doesn't even fill my monitor.  Trying to make changes to the resolution does absolutely nothing.  IT just says "Trying new settings..." but it doesn't actually change resolutions.  Any ideas how I can fix this?
[11:18] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: problem is you probably have a million config files all over the place
[11:18] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: especially if you were playing with non-repository compiz versions
[11:19] <BlueParrot> nrossin: you probably miss a mode in xorg.conf
[11:20] <BlueParrot> Nalleman: also, you probably want to rearrange your partitions to get a separate /home anyway
[11:20] <nrossin> BlueParrot: I haven't touched my xorg.conf, though.  I've only used GUIs
[11:21] <BlueParrot> nrossin: well I wasn't saying you caused it ...
[11:22] <BlueParrot> nrossin: anyway , I don't know how Kubuntu handles that. Xfce all the way : )
[11:22] <nrossin> BlueParrot: Yeah, I've stuck with Gnome for a while because it just works... never had any luck with Kubuntu since it seems to be neglected quite a bit.  But I miss KDE.
[11:23] <ConstyXIV> try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:27] <shiznit> is there a osx-type application bad program for linux?
[11:27] <shiznit> bar*
[11:28] <Yaroze> shiznit: yeh
[11:28] <shiznit> name?
[11:28] <Yaroze> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/macmenubar-preview?content=67095
[11:29] <shiznit> thats the menubar, i mean the dock thingy, like object desktop in windows
[11:33] <shiznit> yaroze, i meant something like http://www.stardock.com/products/objectdock/
[11:34] <ERGLupin> i hate those object docks
[11:34] <shiznit> i love them
[11:35] <ERGLupin> you ever used OS X?
[11:35] <shiznit> nope
[11:35] <ERGLupin> i have/am
[11:35] <shiznit> but i used objectdock in windows for years
[11:35] <ERGLupin> I went made trying to make it as good as the real one
[11:35] <ERGLupin> mad
[11:36] <ConstyXIV> shiznit: you want to look up avant-window-navigator
[11:36] <cj_> hi, is there a net install for gutsy?
[11:36] <cj_> rather than downloading an iso?
[11:39] <ConstyXIV> shiznit: it's a very solid dock for gnome
[11:40] <ConstyXIV> cj_: not to my knowledge
[11:41] <cj_> is there a text mode installer?
[11:41] <drewzf> Anyone else experiencing horrible proc-lag with Firefox under Gutsy?
[11:41] <ConstyXIV> cj_: the "alternate" cd
[11:47] <shiznit> ConstyXIV, can it be customzed and moved around?
[11:47] <ConstyXIV> shiznit:
[11:47] <ConstyXIV> shiznit: yes
[11:47] <shiznit> ok ill try it ty
[11:50] <boojah> hello, does anyone know what version of iwlwifi base driver is currently installed in gutsy?
[11:51] <shiznit> will i have to compile this for gutsu
[11:51] <thompa> im noticing a strange problem with dvds, in the macbook i fixed it by resetting region, but on this box not
[11:51] <drewzf> Anyone else experiencing horrible proc-lag with Firefox under Gutsy?
[11:51] <thompa> all dvds will refuse to play, but i can open software disks
[11:51] <shiznit> what proc lag
[11:51] <drewzf> shiznit, When typing in firefox my entire system comes to a hault
[11:51] <shiznit> whats*
[11:52] <drewzf> 100% process usage
[11:52] <thompa> all the codec stuff is installed, i know all that
[11:52] <shiznit> no was dude
[11:52] <shiznit> mine is normal
[11:52] <drewzf> -.-'
[11:52] <drewzf> I disabled all plugins too
[11:52] <shiznit> i have like 20 extensions
[11:52] <shiznit> at least
[11:52] <drewzf> I'm running ies4linux and IT runs faster than firefox
[11:53] <shiznit> maybe you should use opera lol
[11:53] <thompa> i use konqueror to get to our remote server
[11:53] <asisak> use epiphany | galeon in Gnome
[11:53] <asisak> or konqueror in KDE
[11:53] <thompa> yes
[11:53] <drewzf> it is a very limited system
[11:53] <thompa> with konqueror you can use fish which is cool for me
[11:54] <shiznit> opera is the fasterst browser i have ever used
[11:54] <erisco> what is the estimated release date if there is one?
[11:54] <thompa> you can drag and drop from any computer
[11:54] <shiznit> especially 9.5 alpha
[11:54] <drewzf> not a big opera fan
[11:54] <drewzf> and I absolutely LOVE firefoxd
[11:54] <shiznit> y not
[11:54] <thompa> did they fix the fonts
[11:54] <drewzf> Because I'm not into latin chicks (da-dum psssh)
[11:54] <thompa> in opera that is, last time it sucked
[11:55] <shiznit> if you could use extension i would dump firefox in a second
[11:55] <shiznit> ur wring
[11:55] <shiznit> wrong*
[11:55] <shiznit> about opera
[11:55] <ConstyXIV> drewzf: since when did firefox have a daemon?  :)
[11:55] <thompa> what up with dvd, im thinking my drive is bad but it plays cds
[11:55] <drewzf> ConstyXIV, hehe, slipped on these tiny keys
[11:56] <thompa> ive installed every codec
[11:56] <thompa> dvd its set as master is that right, sata says also master
[11:57] <drewzf> shiznit, if Opera had extensions I'd probably use it once in a while. Fact is that mozilla does have extensions and we've had a long and difficult relationship, too much to walk away from now. Every time IE turns me down FF is there to pick me up.
[11:57] <drewzf> And there was the vacation to Hawaii last June... I'll never forget that.
[11:57] <drewzf> :P
[11:57] <Artemis3> hmm is there something like the single click "enable desktop effects" to activate compiz and get nvidia, etc as in feisty?
[11:58] <thompa> any dvd unable to mount media for starters
[11:58] <drewzf> Artemis3, system -> preferences -> GL Desktop
[11:58] <thompa> even open source flash gordon
[11:58] <drewzf> But if you mean for the installation process, no.
[11:58] <drewzf> I'm starving.
[11:59] <WOOPdaLOOP> ok help me
[11:59] <WOOPdaLOOP> my INTERNETS slowed down when i upgraded
[11:59] <thompa> my problem is dvd player only works as cd player
[11:59] <WOOPdaLOOP> as in, there is a delay in resolving domains!!
[11:59] <shiznit> you havent seen the speed of opera9.5 then
[11:59] <shiznit> its really amazing
[11:59] <WOOPdaLOOP> whether it is irc, http or ftp!
[11:59] <savvas> upx: packer_c.cpp:43: static bool Packer::isValidCompressionMethod(int): Assertion `0 && "Internal error - LZMA not compiled in"' failed.
[11:59] <thompa> im going to try opera ya ya
[11:59] <savvas> bah
[11:59] <shiznit> try opendns
[11:59] <shiznit> see what happens
[12:00] <WOOPdaLOOP> this does not occur in windows or any computers sharing the same internet connection
[12:00] <WOOPdaLOOP> can someone help WOOPdaLOOP?
[12:00] <thompa> any ideas on how to get dvd device recognized
[12:00] <shiznit> i told you try opendns
[12:00] <shiznit> .org
[12:00] <WOOPdaLOOP> opendns.org?
[12:00] <WOOPdaLOOP> let's try it
[12:01] <drewzf> hmm
[12:01] <drewzf> appears Xgl is the reason for my lag
[12:01] <shiznit> follow the instructions
[12:01] <drewzf> Someone may want to look into that one
[12:01] <shiznit> yea xgl is hella slow
[12:01] <drewzf> Xgl responds poorly with several applications
[12:01] <shiznit> y u using it
[12:01] <drewzf> Dunno how it got there
[12:01] <thompa> im going to have to try another cd, or its my dvd drive
[12:01] <drewzf> probably something aptitude picked for me
[12:01] <WOOPdaLOOP> ok
[12:02] <WOOPdaLOOP> how is opendns going to kill this delay?
[12:02] <thompa> any ideas??
[12:02] <thompa> any ideas
[12:02] <WOOPdaLOOP> from what i understand, its sorta a firewall..
[12:02] <thompa> sorry*
[12:02] <shiznit> woop, set it up
[12:02] <shiznit> it should be faster
[12:03] <shiznit> sometimes isp dns servers take a long poop
[12:04] <thompa> cool im going to block all mayor news sources with this
[12:04] <thompa> !dvd
[12:04] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[12:05] <WOOPdaLOOP> yeah its not working shiznit
[12:05] <WOOPdaLOOP> its something with ubuntu
[12:05] <hype_> any idea about this error using virtual box on gutsy? http://rafb.net/p/eUZhXG22.html
[12:08] <ConstyXIV> the extensions usually just make firefox slower, and opera has all the extensions i care about by default
[12:09] <WOOPdaLOOP> JESUS
[12:09] <savvas> yes?
[12:09] <WOOPdaLOOP> will someone help me out, why am i having these huge delays
[12:09] <savvas> lol
[12:09] <savvas> WOOPdaLOOP: while doing what?
[12:10] <WOOPdaLOOP> anything
[12:10] <WOOPdaLOOP> browsing
[12:10] <WOOPdaLOOP> connecting to a irc server
[12:10] <WOOPdaLOOP> wget
[12:10] <WOOPdaLOOP> adept manager updating lists
[12:10] <savvas> it could be your ISP ?
[12:10] <Evanlec> dns server slowness maybe?
[12:10] <WOOPdaLOOP> thats not it
[12:10] <WOOPdaLOOP> i boot into windows and this does not happen
[12:10] <WOOPdaLOOP> i open 6 tabs of different sites and they all open instantly
[12:10] <savvas> then router/dns problems probably
[12:10] <WOOPdaLOOP> while on ubuntu it takes 10-15 secs for each just to get a response back
[12:11] <WOOPdaLOOP> it cant be a router/dns problem if it works fine on windows and other computers sharing the same connection
[12:12] <WOOPdaLOOP> and i just installed that opendns.org , therefore using a completely different DNS source
[12:12] <WOOPdaLOOP> so it cant be it
[12:12] <WOOPdaLOOP> that's completely ruled out.
[12:12] <sosriqwe> hi, does anybody have problem logging in gnome after latest updates?
[12:12] <savvas> are you using that opendns on windows too?
[12:12] <daylighter> I am still having problems with X and this latest gutsy update... I didnt have any problems until these
[12:12] <WOOPdaLOOP> no i'm not
[12:13] <Evanlec> woop, try a tracert on yahoo.com or something
[12:13] <Evanlec> see if there's lag somewhere
[12:13] <savvas> WOOPdaLOOP: wait, the problem is with and without opendns?
[12:13] <WOOPdaLOOP> savvas, on ubuntu, yes
[12:13] <Evanlec> did u try ifdown / ifup
[12:14] <savvas> are you using a modem/router/wireless ?
[12:14] <WOOPdaLOOP> comcast cable -- wireless modem -- wired connection to my pc
[12:14] <WOOPdaLOOP> but thats not hte issue, its something with ubuntu
[12:14] <WOOPdaLOOP> its the only OS thats giving me problems in regards to this
[12:15] <WOOPdaLOOP> it didnt before the upgrade to 7.10 either
[12:15] <WOOPdaLOOP> what will ifdown do?
[12:15] <daylighter> yeah, and I didnt have any problems until I updated this morning
[12:16] <WOOPdaLOOP> traceroute to yahoo.com (216.109.112.135), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
[12:16] <WOOPdaLOOP>  1  73.170.144.1 (73.170.144.1)  11.828 ms  14.479 ms *
[12:16] <WOOPdaLOOP>  2  * * *
[12:17] <daylighter> have there been any X Problems solved since the newest updates? I'd love to get back into gnome!
[12:17] <sosriqwe> after i login gnome hangs showing only the background.. only failsafe session can start. did anybody have a similar problem?
[12:17] <Artemis3> yes, for a change, audio from that via chipset works now
[12:18] <Artemis3> x seems the same tho...
[12:18] <daylighter> hmm
[12:18] <savvas> try traceroute to yahoo.com (216.109.112.135), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1  * * * 2  212.200.238.20 (212.200.238.20)  47.622 ms  57.942 ms  67.936 ms 3  194.106.184.1 (194.106.184.1)  77.405 ms  87.339 ms  96.444 ms
[12:18] <WOOPdaLOOP> aiodh
[12:19] <savvas> sorry, wanted to compare
[12:19] <WOOPdaLOOP> well
[12:19] <daylighter> I keep getting a dialogue box that asks me for my monitor resolution and video card driver... it only allows 800x600 and 640x480 -- I choose "nv" and "800x600" and it just restarts a few times and then shows the dialogue again
[12:19] <WOOPdaLOOP> im saying im having a delay in resolving domains
[12:19] <WOOPdaLOOP> it isnt normal
[12:19] <Artemis3> what card?
[12:19] <savvas> WOOPdaLOOP: close your internet browser and try: sudo /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon restart
[12:19] <daylighter> Geforce FX
[12:19] <savvas> then check your browser again
[12:19] <daylighter> worked fine until today :P
[12:20] <Artemis3> i just switched to nvidia and its working fine (nv is too)
[12:20] <Artemis3> this one is fx5200 or something
[12:20] <WOOPdaLOOP> ok did that
[12:20] <daylighter> that's what I have
[12:20] <WOOPdaLOOP> still nothing..
[12:20] <daylighter> I mean
[12:20] <WOOPdaLOOP> im going to try the ifdown thing
[12:20] <savvas> daylighter: install the nvidia drivers
[12:20] <daylighter> they're installed
[12:20] <savvas> um ... "nv" ?
[12:21] <daylighter> I installed them, no dice... dpkg-reconfigure'd xorg, no dice
[12:21] <WOOPdaLOOP> "ifdown" doesnt work
[12:21] <savvas> $ cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep "nv" Driver          "nvidia"
[12:21] <daylighter> I'm on the liveCD now
[12:21] <daylighter> what I should find out
[12:21] <daylighter> where does X place its logs?
[12:22] <savvas> daylighter: the driver name is nvidia
[12:22] <daylighter> yes it is
[12:22] <daylighter> I chose nvidia
[12:22] <daylighter> I tried nv and nvidia
[12:22] <savvas> still nothing?
[12:22] <daylighter> it still goes back to that box
[12:22] <daylighter> it doesnt even go into gnome, just x with the x-shaped cursor and all
[12:23] <g2g591> X places its logs at /var/log/Xorg.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.1.log
[12:23] <daylighter> let me dig into my HDD and see what they say
[12:23] <WOOPdaLOOP> I FIXED ITTTTTTTTTT
[12:23] <WOOPdaLOOP> savvas,  I FIXED ITTTTTTTT
[12:23] <savvas> uh how
[12:23] <WOOPdaLOOP> in KNetworkManager
[12:24] <savvas> congrats :)
[12:24] <WOOPdaLOOP> domain name system
[12:24] <WOOPdaLOOP> my router was 1st priority
[12:24] <WOOPdaLOOP> i removed it
[12:24] <WOOPdaLOOP> and now its super fast again
[12:24] <WOOPdaLOOP> so if anyone comes here asking about this
[12:24] <WOOPdaLOOP> let them know
[12:24] <WOOPdaLOOP> its pain.
[12:24] <savvas> daylighter: do you know which package of drivers you use? nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new ?
[12:24] <daylighter> neither
[12:25] <WOOPdaLOOP> btw --- why is gutsy gibbon running on .12 kernel?
[12:25] <daylighter> I downloaded the ones from nvidia and compile the interface myself
[12:25] <g2g591> im glad my only issue was a a few broken packages that i was able to fix right away
[12:25] <WOOPdaLOOP> and why doesnt gutsy gibbon have opera on its universe packages?
[12:25] <savvas> daylighter: congrats, complain to nvidia that their driver is broken :P
[12:25] <daylighter> should I be using nvidia-glx?
[12:25] <daylighter> then?
[12:25] <savvas> well nvidia-glx is the latest tested one
[12:25] <daylighter> okay
[12:25] <g2g591> daylighter:those have never worked for me, not on any distro
[12:25] <daylighter> they did for me until today
[12:25] <daylighter> lol
[12:26] <savvas> restricted drivers manager should select it for you
[12:26] <daylighter> how do I go about removing the one I'm using now?
[12:26] <extra> hi
[12:26] <daylighter> because I can always apt-get the nvidia-glx package
[12:26] <savvas> don't they have a --uninstall or something?
[12:26] <daylighter> hmm
[12:26] <riot_le> hi @all, anyone here knowledge with broken language-packs?
[12:26] <daylighter> let me see if nvidia's site has instructions
[12:27] <extra> yup.. I'm in irsii.. can't get into the desktop anymore..
[12:27] <WOOPdaLOOP> is it okay for me to install opera using a feisty fawn deb?
[12:27] <frostburn> hey actually, what version is the nvidia driver in the restricted modules package?
[12:27] <daylighter> the drivers come in .run packages, I have to sudo sh them
[12:28] <daylighter> I cant tell, I cant get into X
[12:28] <extra> daylighter: I can't get into X either.. intel 965?
[12:28] <daylighter> no sir
[12:29] <daylighter> I'm on an nvidia card
[12:29] <bdgraue> hi, i have no sound in wengophone, is this a known problem?
[12:29] <extra> ah
[12:29] <extra> what's the sequence to use in screen, to spawn a new window and use other windows?
[12:32] <savvas> daylighter: nvidia-installer
[12:32] <daylighter> does anyone know how I can uninstall my nvidia driver so I can install the nvidia-glx?
[12:32] <g2g591> alt-tab?
[12:32] <daylighter> nvidia-installer?
[12:32] <daylighter> ahhhh
[12:32] <savvas> nvidia-installer --uninstall
[12:32] <extra> so, when I boot up, it takes me to the graphics applet, but no configs work.. no matter what I try, it goes black, then theres some green lines at the top, then it drops me back at the graphics applet
[12:33] <daylighter> I shall try that! brb as I boot into my actual install and try that, thank you so much
[12:33] <g2g591> exit
[12:33] <Yaroze> are there any GUI apps that handles/mounts NFS ?
[12:33] <Pusur> Hows the drivers-support in Gutsy compared to Feisty?
[12:34] <Yaroze> Pusur: my wireless worked in Gutsy... had to install drivers in fiesty
[12:34] <extra> Pusur: probably better, but some stuff ended up breaking, like my graphics
[12:34] <Balaams_Miracle> Anyone know anything about ffmpeg? There's a new version in Gutsy which is not quite working for me.
[12:34] <savvas> finally, a readme that is complete, ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-ia64/1.0-5336/README
[12:35] <savvas> heh
[12:35] <extra> anyone know the key sequence to spawn a new window in the program 'screen'
[12:35] <extra> ?
[12:36] <savvas> what do you mean spawn?
[12:36] <extra> savvas: make a new window
[12:36] <g2g591> like a new xserver screen? its ctrl-alt-f8
[12:36] <savvas> screen -S thisisaname
[12:36] <savvas> close it, open another and type: screen -r thisisaname
[12:36] <extra> crap.. I'm already in irsii
[12:36] <nrossin> I just did a fresh install of Kubuntu Gutsy Beta, then ran the updates, then install my restricted nVidia video driver.  Now my resolution is really funky and I can't change it.  Anyone have any input for me?
[12:36] <g2g591> nevermind that didn't work
[12:36] <savvas> ah irssi?
[12:36] <savvas> extra: I use screen -S irc irssi
[12:37] <extra> I mean, i'm in irsii inside of the main screen screen
[12:37] <savvas> well screen -r pops it back up
[12:37] <extra> savvas: does irsii have an exec command?
[12:38] <savvas> maybe I didn't understand what you're trying to do :P
[12:38] <savvas> yeah
[12:38] <savvas>  /exec :P
[12:38] <extra> tried that, said "Must be connected to a terminal"
[12:38] <extra> I'm in recovery root, btw
[12:38] <amias> hi all
[12:38] <savvas> lol
[12:39] <savvas> try /bin/bash :)
[12:39] <g2g591> try startx?
[12:39] <amias> anyone got an ATI 9200se working with XGL and compiz /
[12:39] <extra> startx says no screens availabe
[12:39] <g2g591> got to go
[12:39] <extra> available
[12:39] <amias> extra,  your /etc/X11/xorg.conf is broken
[12:40] <extra> amias: that sucks
[12:40] <Balaams_Miracle> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39312/ This commandline used to work in Ubuntu Feisty, but in Ubuntu Gutsy (beta) it returns that -ad is an unknown option. Anyone care to help?
[12:40] <savvas> extra: try: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[12:40] <extra> savvas: k
[12:41] <amias> extra, isn't it xserver-xorg
[12:41] <Balaams_Miracle> When i remove the -ad switch, ffmpeg starts, but does not give any indication it is actually doing something.
[12:41] <amias> does XGL work with the current fglrx drivers ?
[12:42] <Xero> amias, it should.
[12:42] <savvas> Balaams_Miracle: have you tried the manual?
[12:42] <amias> Xero, i'm getting the non power of two textures error
[12:42] <Balaams_Miracle> Yes i did, but did not do much to explain why it worked in Feisty and not in Gutsy
[12:43] <nrossin> I just did a fresh install of Kubuntu Gutsy Beta, then ran the updates, then install my restricted nVidia video driver.  Now my resolution is really funky and I can't change it.  Anyone have any input for me?
[12:43] <amias> Balaams_Miracle, have you looked at the change log for the package that contains the command in question ?
[12:43] <Xero> amias, that's a problem with your card.
[12:43] <savvas> Balaams_Miracle: just type ffmpeg, it will show you the available parameters
[12:44] <amias> Xero, bah , does AIGLX work ?
[12:44] <Xero> amias, No.
[12:44] <Balaams_Miracle> savvas: I have, and no mention of the command being deprecated, removed or disabled, No mention of the -ad switch at all
[12:44] <Xero> amias, FGLRX+AIGLX+COMPOSITE=YUCK!
[12:44] <savvas> Balaams_Miracle: I meant look at all the available parameters, maybe they renamed it
[12:44] <amias> Xero, so no wobbly windows for me ? say it aint so
[12:44] <Creationist225> Xero: Kubuntu Gutsy + 50Hz refresh rate = YUCK!
[12:45] <Xero> amias, No wobble for you, unless you find out why you can't use NPOT textures.
[12:45] <Xero> Sorry.
[12:45] <Balaams_Miracle> savvas: when i remove the -ad param, ffmpeg starts, but does zilch. No progress indication, nada
[12:45] <Xero> It's t3h l337ness, though.
[12:45] <amias> Xero, tis not your fault , thankts tho
[12:46] <savvas> Balaams_Miracle: what does -ad do
[12:46] <Xero> If you know why you can't use NPOT textures, tell me or someone.
[12:46] <Balaams_Miracle> savvas: -ad = audio device
[12:46] <bascule> Balaams_Miracle: have you tried just missing out -admaybe it auto-detects audio device
[12:47] <Balaams_Miracle> savvas: I've tried replacing -ad with -i (for input) but that too made ffmepeg just sit there and do nothing.
[12:47] <Balaams_Miracle> I've also tried using an audio file for input and that does work.
[12:48] <amias> Xero, will have a look for it
[12:48] <Balaams_Miracle> bascule: see my comment a few lines earlier. I've tried that
[12:49] <bascule> sorry missed that
[12:49] <savvas> what's /dev/dsp btw? :p
[12:50] <g2g591> wow i just found a wierdly named bash command (i know loads are wielrd), its catman!
[12:50] <Balaams_Miracle> savvas: /dev/dsp is the OSS device
[12:51] <savvas> maybe the device is not working?
[12:51] <savvas> ah wait you tried a file
[12:51] <Balaams_Miracle> The commandline is designed to record 59 minutes and 50 seconds of audio from the sound card.
[12:51] <Balaams_Miracle> The device is very much working, i can hear it
[12:51] <bascule> ffmpeg -f audio_device -i /dev/dsp <-- man page examples
[12:51] <extra> hi
[12:51] <extra> yea, that didn't work
[12:52] <extra> anyone have an xorg.conf for a dell 1420n I can wget?
[12:52] <Balaams_Miracle> bascule: that example does not work.
[12:52] <Balaams_Miracle> I think it's an old man page for a new version of the file
[12:53] <bascule> -f pcm -i /dev/dsp ?
[12:53] <Balaams_Miracle> bascule: I'll try that
[12:53] <amias> extra: have you tried confiugring it with - sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ?
[12:54] <extra> amias: i tried dpkg-reconfigure xorg
[12:54] <savvas> oops :)
[12:54] <Balaams_Miracle> bascule: ffmpeg reported: "Unknown input or output format: pcm"
[12:54] <savvas> apologies, xserver-xorg
[12:54] <extra> ah.. that that works
[12:54] <bascule> Balaams_Miracle: hmmm
[12:54] <extra> trying now
[12:55] <extra> (it's 'c-a a' to switch screens in screen)
[12:55] <Balaams_Miracle> bascule: I think ffmpeg is just broken. Or does my commandline work on your end?
[12:55] <Balaams_Miracle> Ah
[12:56] <extra> what's 128 megs in kB?
[12:56] <Balaams_Miracle> 128*1024
[12:57] <savvas> ffmpeg man page 2007-06-03 hm..
[12:57] <Balaams_Miracle> extra: 131072
[12:57] <amias> extra, line speed or storage /
[12:57] <savvas>   built on Jun  3 2007
[12:57] <daylighter> well, I'm in gnome now
[12:57] <savvas> Balaams_Miracle: the man should be fine
[12:57] <extra> balaams: thanks.. amias: graphics memory.. intel integrated
[12:58] <daylighter> but something is wrong with my /home folder
[12:58] <savvas> daylighter: meaning?
[12:58] <Balaams_Miracle> savvas: well, then ffmpeg must be broken
[12:58] <daylighter> my weather and volume apps instantly crash when I load up gnome
[12:58] <daylighter> so they're not able to read their config files perhaps?
[12:58] <mon^rch> do I need libxine-extracodecs anymore? cos I cant seem to find it...
[12:58] <bascule> Balaams_Miracle: ffmpeg -t 200 -f s16le -i /dev/dsp -ar 22050 -ab 64 -ac 2 ~/test.ogg
[12:59] <extra> should I enable kernel frame buffer?
[12:59] <savvas> Balaams_Miracle: Try here: https://answers.launchpad.net/ and note that you use ubuntu gutsy
[12:59] <daylighter> and I can only get 60hz sigh
[12:59] <daylighter> yay xorg.conf editing
[12:59] <Balaams_Miracle> bascule: That seems to work. Thanks!
[01:00] <daylighter> and also "tracker-extract" sigserv's
[01:00] <bascule> Balaams_Miracle: all in the -f if you say ffmpeg -formats you get a dump of all supported formats, s16le is PCM little endian, which is standard output from sound cards, I have some knowledge ... :)
[01:00] <savvas> daylighter: nvidia has a bug for the Hz part, it doesn't display it correctly in screen resolution
[01:00] <daylighter> oh yeah
[01:00] <daylighter> I know that, usually i select 55 hz (75hz) and its fine, but this time the only choice I have is 60hz
[01:00] <daylighter> and I can tell its 60hz because I can see it
[01:01] <savvas> daylighter: go first system > administration > restricted drivers manager
[01:01] <extra> keyboard layout.. dell laptop.. pc101 or pc105?
[01:01] <ericrost> on my laptop the battery indicator and brightness changes are taking ~15 seconds to react when the power supply is connected and disconnected
[01:01] <Balaams_Miracle> bascule: thanks for the explanation. Saving it for future reference too!
[01:01] <savvas> daylighter: enable your graphics card there
[01:01] <ericrost> any good things to include on a bug report for that?
[01:01] <daylighter> doing so
[01:01] <daylighter> what would make it so that my session preferences file was being ignored?
[01:02] <bascule> Balaams_Miracle: welcome, I got something in return, now I know how to grab from soundcard, ver useful, thanks for an interesting problem :)
[01:02] <savvas> no idea
[01:02] <amias> extra, you can fix it later from the desktop , the only important thing at that stage is that you get the graphics card and resolution settings right
[01:02] <nrossin> How do I fix these ugly fonts in Kubuntu Gutsy?  Everything is fuzzy.
[01:02] <Balaams_Miracle> bascule: All that i needed to get me to grab audio from the soundcard is the realization that everything is a file :-)
[01:03] <ericrost> also, anyone else have the feisty to gutsy beta upgrade mess up their menu.lst to not save the default kernel to boot into?
[01:03] <extra> can someone with a laptop do cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep pc-10 ??
[01:03] <extra> might work
[01:03] <bascule> Balaams_Miracle: so abstract yet so brilliant, such flexibility, *nix systems are a big puzzle of possibilities, I love them
[01:04] <ericrost> specifically set it to not save the default ? ## should update-grub adjust the value of the default booted system
[01:04] <ericrost> # updatedefaultentry=true
[01:04] <ericrost> was set to false
[01:06] <Balaams_Miracle> bascule: Now all i will have to do is clean up the script that i have, and have it delete all *.ogg files that are over 14 days old
[01:07] <RAOF> extra: Probably pc105, but it won't matter much.
[01:07] <extra> I did the dpkg-reconfigure, but startx still says no screens found
[01:07] <Balaams_Miracle> bascule: if you want the (still dirty) code for the script i've written, i'd be happy to pastebin it for you
[01:08] <extra> guess I'll try rebooting
[01:08] <bascule> Balaams_Miracle: yeah, that would be nice actually, guess you use for grabbing radio or such?
[01:09] <Balaams_Miracle> bascule: That's right. Dutch law requires local radio stations to store their transmissions for 14 days. (about 10GB worth of data)
[01:09] <wabiD> can anyone help me fix this problem with gran paradiso - http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4123/granju7.png
[01:09] <Balaams_Miracle> brb
[01:11] <g2g591> wabi:gran paradiso is alpha. there are loads of bugs, try firefox 2
[01:12] <wabiD> g2g591 did you look at the picture
[01:12] <wabiD> firefox is running right next to it just fine
[01:12] <g2g591> wabi: also it appears you arnt using the latest version of gran paradiso either
[01:12] <wabiD> i downloaded the nightly
[01:12] <wabiD> didnt fix it
[01:13] <wabiD> cleared my profiles didnt either
[01:13] <wabiD> all the dpi settings are correct
[01:13] <g2g591> wabi:try alpha 8
[01:13] <wabiD> i tried alpha9
[01:13] <wabiD> well pre alpha9
[01:14] <g2g591> exactly, alpha 8 is more stable
[01:14] <wabiD> i tried it
[01:14] <wabiD> 7 8 and 2007-10-01-04-trunk all exhibit the problem
[01:16] <g2g591> well, i dont have it on alpha 8
[01:16] <wabiD> are you using ubuntu?
[01:17] <g2g591> im using kubuntu actually
[01:17] <wabiD> are you using ubuntu??
[01:17] <g2g591> but its basicly the same thing
[01:17] <g2g591> id say its a gnome issue
[01:18] <wabiD> possibly
[01:18] <wabiD> id install kde but i dont want all the apps that come with it
[01:18] <g2g591> im running alpha 8 from a folder on my desktop
[01:18] <ericrost> is anyone else seeing that power management issue (reacting very slowly to the power supply connection disconnection)? Is there anything obvious I should do for troubleshooting on the bug report?
[01:18] <wabiD> i tried compiz and metacity as window managers
[01:18] <wabiD> same thing
[01:19] <wabiD> g2g591, what version of kubuntu?
[01:19] <g2g591> gutsy
[01:19] <wabiD> do you have compiz enabled
[01:19] <Yaroze> anyone know if  there is a GUI apps that handles/mounts NFS ?
[01:19] <g2g591> nope
[01:19] <savvas> ericrost: well, all I could suggest is to upgrade with update-manager and restart the computer afterwards
[01:19] <fignew> Yaroze: there's one built in
[01:20] <ericrost> savvas: is that in response to the kernel issue?
[01:20] <savvas> ericrost: I saw today a power something update, maybe it would fix your issue
[01:21] <g2g591> screenshot of google here: also forgot to sign out so my email also http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4226/snapshot1jv5.png
[01:21] <ericrost> savvas: ahh, I'll see if there's an update, just wondering if there was anything obvious to attach to the bug report?
[01:21] <RAOF> Yaroze: Yes.  Places->Connect to Server.