DanaGI still think it's bad that Tabbrowser Extension (TBE) is in the repos.01:20
DanaGThat extension is severely broken.01:20
DanaGTab Mix Plus is what I use instead.01:20
gavintlgoldbascule: i'm running off a livecd right now01:20
basculeare you chroot in?01:20
gavintlgoldwith the instructions on the forums01:20
basculecome out chroot and before you go back run mount --bind /dev /mnt/point/dev01:21
gavintlgoldi could try booting....01:21
gavintlgoldoh ok01:21
basculemount none -t procfs /proc  one of those01:21
basculeactually both of those01:21
basculemount none -t procfs /mnt/point/proc01:22
basculegavintlgold: ^01:22
basculebasically cloning /dev/ anr /proc from the cd for the install01:22
gavintlgoldi'm going to try to boot into my install (in a terminal01:23
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gavintlgoldif that doesn't work, i'll come back01:24
gavintlgoldthanks.. maybe see you later ;)01:24
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CarlFKgutsy alternate installer says: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.22-12-386/modules.dep: No such file or directory01:27
CarlFKbut I can cat it just fine01:28
AmaranthCarlFK: sudo depmod -a01:28
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h|barbobothey guys i just upgraded to gutsy, i have a dual monitor setup and now when i maximize the window it goes over both monitors whereas before it would only open in one. Is there a way to get it back to the previous behavior?01:28
CarlFKAmaranth: um... sudo?  (guessing you are missing I am still in the installer)01:29
AmaranthCarlFK: oh, uh, ouch01:29
AmaranthCarlFK: using the beta CD?01:30
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CarlFKusing the daily build01:30
CarlFKdepmod -a - no error01:30
AmaranthOk then, that would be your problem :)01:30
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AmaranthThere is no guarantee the daily builds will work, use the beta01:30
CarlFKim guessing a dev would want to fix this01:30
CarlFKif I wanted stable, I would just use feisty :)01:31
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NeoGeo64I'm really cheap.01:31
AmaranthCarlFK: It'll be fixed by the RC release01:31
NeoGeo64I'm just going to burn a bunch of Ubuntu CDs and give them as gifts.01:31
NeoGeo64for Christmas.01:31
AmaranthCarlFK: Otherwise this is not the place, file a bug01:31
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h|barbobotoh just to add, I am using nvidia with twin view01:32
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Amaranthh|barbobot: KDE?01:33
h|barbobotno gnome and kde seem to be affected01:33
NightBirdI'm having a problem getting kde to start up.  checking the kdm.log, I see the following error with a backtrace: Fatal server error: Caught signal 11. Server aboring01:34
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NightBirdif someone wants to point me to a pastebin to use, I can post the backtrace01:35
NightBird(it's just 8 deep)01:35
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)01:35
hydrogensilly me01:35
hydrogenis what I meant01:36
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NightBirdand.... isn't gutsy using a new kernel?  I'm seeing the same kernel version as feisty...01:39
NightBirdif so, is that possibly the problem?01:39
RAOFQuite possibly.01:39
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NightBirdand if so, what do I need to run to update the grub menu so that it displays the new version01:39
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^Ocean^what do i modify my sources.list too ?01:40
philipthe new gnome panel looks too sharp, doesn't feel as polished to me01:40
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NightBirdupdate-grub... *tries it*01:42
rico_hey guys. I did some silly things (like installing/reinstalling some packages) and now my Nautilus is broken. No desktop icons, folder browser windows won't open. Anyone got any clue to where I can start figuring this out?01:42
NightBird... it's still not working...01:43
NightBirdit's only displaying it from when I installed a 64 bit ubuntu install....01:43
philipif we only have native ZFS01:43
TiaGo|SouZarico_: that happened here too01:43
NightBirdbut the update-grub said it updated it correctly....01:43
RAOFNightBird: How did you install?  You should be seeing 2.6.22-12-generic as your kernel.01:43
NightBirdRAOF: I'm thinking it might be looking at the 64 bit grub menu01:44
rico_TiaGo|SouZa, sigh. I tried apt-get remove nautilus and installing it back. no luck.01:44
NightBirdwhich hasn't been updated since I installed it01:44
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NightBirdmy 32 bit install is on hda4, the 64 bit on hda101:45
rico_TiaGo|SouZa, any other clue? :b01:45
NightBirdhow can I tell it to use the grub data on hda4?01:45
TiaGo|SouZarico_: are u in gutsy? xgl? compiz on or off?01:46
RAOFNightBird: I'm not sure, but someone here will know. :)01:46
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wabiDcan anyone help me with thos - http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4123/granju7.png01:47
rico_what about it wabid?01:48
wabiDwhy is gran paradiso have huge images?01:48
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gaminggeekhey has there been updates in the past 3 or 4 days?01:48
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wabiDthats what gran paradiso looks like for me, with a fresh install01:49
wabiDno settings changed01:49
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rico_weird, I'm not sure. I'm guessing it's a DPI issue, but other than that I dont know how to help...01:50
wabiDwhy wouldnt it effect firefox, the layour.css.dpi is set to -1 for both01:52
gaminggeekwhat does layout.css.dpi do?01:54
wabiDi dunno01:54
wabiDits the only about config entry with dpi in it01:55
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kurroswhat dpi is gnome using?01:56
r3m0twhat's up with this firefox plugin handlin?01:56
mikubuntuheeellllllllppppp.... downloadaded 80 updates to gutsy today, and boy, is my screen ever screwed up now :( ... have like double images and two cursors onscreen, and it's all very strange... anyone else have this prob?01:58
wabiDbut if i change it to 77 gran paradiso looks the same01:58
wabiDdpi only changes font size01:58
TiaGo|SouZamikubuntu: me01:58
mikubuntuTiaGo|SouZa: looks like you said 'me' but i'm not sure since only half the m is showing ... lol ... not funny :)01:59
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mikubuntugoing to try another update thru the cli ...l\02:00
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TiaGo|SouZamikubuntu: it happened with me too02:02
TiaGo|SouZamikubuntu: I turned compiz off, restart the pc and..voil, everything solved!02:02
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Xerospam spam compiz bacon eggs and spam.02:04
XeroSPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM! Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!02:05
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r3m0tshould I keep ubuntu-desktop installed until release, or can I remove it?02:06
Xeror3m0t, it's removable.02:06
TiaGo|SouZajust an empty metapackage02:06
r3m0tOK - I guess no packages are going to be added to it so late in the game...02:07
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notvis gutsy out yet?02:08
XeroNope. Oct 18.02:08
FunnyLookinHatnotv, yea no.02:08
XeroSpam october 18th Gutsy spam will be spam released.02:08
notvis the version out now going to be much different than the official release?02:09
XeroSpam no.02:09
r3m0tnotv: no, but it still isn't stable - they broke the grub package yesterday :-)02:09
XeroOkay I'll stop with the SPAM now.02:09
notvim wondering02:09
Xeror3m0t, How did they break grub yesterday? What happened?02:09
notvwill there be better ati drivers?02:10
XeroI installed a grub update and mine isn't broken.02:10
r3m0tXero: a brief version of volumeid had a broken postinit in the deb02:10
r3m0tXero: my internet connection was unreliable so for all I know it was only up for 5 minutes. an apt-get update fixed it.02:10
Xeror3m0t, I must have downloaded before/after that grim happening.02:10
XeroAre there any fun programs with tray icons? I need to make my top panel seem more important.02:12
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gavintlgoldok, so i seem to be back in action02:13
r3m0tum, applets are much better. Try wanda the fish.02:13
r3m0tI think firestarter might have a tray icon02:13
gavintlgoldi'm updating from my "gutsy" install... i think it's really more like "feigutsy"02:13
XeroI have a weather report on my panel.02:13
gavintlgoldubuntu 7.0702:13
r3m0tXero: add more, for the locations of all your relatives02:13
gavintlgoldbut at least i'm back again02:14
notvwhy does the fglrx driver suck02:14
notvhalf the time i boot i get a black screen02:14
notvi dont think ubuntu likes laptops02:14
r3m0tnotv: it likes mine02:14
Vorianhowdy gavintlgold :)02:15
gavintlgoldhi Vorian02:15
gavintlgoldwow... no new updates02:15
gavintlgoldi guess this is really feisty...02:15
XeroI now have a system monitor built into my panel.02:16
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XeroIt monitors proc and ram. Only using half of my RAM!02:16
XeroI also have a search button, a show desktop button, and a force quitter. Hooray for making the top panel important again!02:17
NightBirdok....I'm getting the following error: "X: client 2 rejected from local host (uid 1000)"02:17
r3m0tXero: deskbar rules over all02:17
Xeror3m0t, the new deskbar sucks. It's bulky and quite a clunky UI.02:17
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XeroThe old one was nice.02:18
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r3m0tXero: actually, I semi-agree02:18
r3m0tthe results page only shows about 5 lines. it should fill most of the screen02:18
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NightBirdauth.log states that "pam_unix(kdm:session): session was opened for user <my username> by (uid=0)" followed close by "pam_unix(kdm:session): session closed for user <my username>"02:18
XeroI have proc, net, ram, and swap monitors now.02:18
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r3m0twhich calendar apps integrate with gnome?02:18
XeroTry Sunbird.02:18
XeroActually, there's one built into the GNOME clock.02:19
gavintlgoldlol, i'm getting all these crash reports02:19
sobersabreguys, I have a machine that gets stuck with gutsy.02:19
sobersabreI made sure it doesn't relate compiz, but relates X02:19
sobersabrewhere shall I send the dmesg ?02:19
Xerogavintlgold, I got those 4 days ago when I updated a certain package.02:19
sobersabreis there a place where such problems are concentrated ?02:19
gavintlgoldthey're from like 2 days ago though :/02:19
Xerogavintlgold, mine were from weeks ago.02:20
XeroI enjoy forcequits.02:20
r3m0twho the hell decided to make packages for firefox plugins?02:20
wabiDdoes that give a hint?02:20
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gavintlgoldawn and kiba-dock are neck-and-neck02:20
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gavintlgoldok. i installed restricted drivers... rebooting02:21
Xerokiba-dock has Akamaru.02:21
r3m0twhy did I like Mist once but like it no more?02:21
XeroAwn doesn't but it has different charms and awesomeness.02:22
r3m0thow do you configure compiz-fusion or whatever they call it these days?02:22
XeroIt's now compiz-spambot-bakedbeans-kittenlazer02:22
r3m0twait, no, the other thing.02:23
XeroWhat other thing?02:23
r3m0tnot wow.02:23
NightBirddoes anyone know how to get the X server to stop rejecting me?02:24
scipior3m0t, http://forlong.blogage.de/article/2007/8/29/How-to-set-up-Compiz-Fusion02:24
rico_what's akabau?02:24
r3m0tno Xero, it's a cliche by now02:24
Xeroakamaru is a physics engine.02:24
rico_oh, and how do you do a force quit?02:24
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ReL1Khow do i get beryl on gutsy?02:25
XeroForcequit=ctrl+alt+esc or alt+f4 or use the Forcequit applet in the GNOME panel02:25
XeroAkamaru is a physics engine named after a Naruto character, a dog, actually.02:25
XeroKiba-dock is a dock using this engine named after the owner of said Naruto character dog.02:25
gavintlgoldquestion: is the old "desktop effects" window supposed to still be there in gutsy?02:25
rico_relik, why would you want beryl? gutsy has compiz-fusion by default.02:25
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crdlbgavintlgold, it should be under appearance now02:25
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gavintlgoldyeah, ok, so i have feitsy then02:26
gavintlgoldan in-between install02:26
gavintlgoldthat doesn't realize that it is one02:26
r3m0tgavintlgold: it's under the appearance applet in a tab02:26
gavintlgoldi don't have an appearance applet :D02:26
gavintlgoldmy distribution update was forced to stop mid-way02:27
r3m0tI thought things weren't meant to steal focus any more, but they do. fix?02:27
Xerolol i like watching the network usage spike up when i type a message02:27
gavintlgoldnow that is weird...02:27
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r3m0tomg, compiz negative is amazing02:29
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gavintlgoldthe new gimp logo is weird02:29
gavintlgoldcool though02:29
XeroWhen i negative, everything turns red.02:30
philipGimp -Release Conadidate   should be Candidate02:30
XeroI think they did it on purpose.02:30
sin1does anyone know what happened to the N64 Emulator repo?02:31
gavintlgoldi made a screenshot which pretty much sums up the weirdness factor i'm having here02:31
rico_would anyone know of a lightweight image editor? for, say, if you just want to crop/resize an image and dont wantto load up GIMP for that02:31
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crdlbrico_, imagemagick is useful for that sort of thing02:32
philipPhotoshop under wine is pretty light weight :P02:32
rico_philip, you've got to be kidding me.02:33
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NightBird... I just tried an xhost +<username>@localhost, and I got an Xerror of failed request.... the integer parameter out of range for operation...02:33
rico_(besides, I couldn't get CS3 to run under wine)02:33
gavintlgoldso, umm i'm pretty much really messed up02:33
rico_crdlb, I was hoping for something with a GUI :)02:33
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rico_gavintlgold, whys that wierd?02:33
mikubuntuTiaGo|SouZa: how did you turn compiz off?02:34
gavintlgoldrico_: because I have a mix between gutsy and feisty02:34
gavintlgoldeven though updating says i'm up to date02:34
gavintlgoldat least that's what it seems like02:34
XeroDoes anyone know what this is?02:34
crdlbrico_, imgemagick has a gui02:35
XeroSome guys take a long vacation to throw a ring into a volcano02:35
TiaGo|SouZamikubuntu: system > preferences > "look"02:35
gavintlgoldalso, i have a white screen when trying to start the effects ;)02:35
TiaGo|SouZain visual effects tab, choose none02:35
CarlFKrico_: imagemagick's display02:35
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gavintlgoldok, can anyone give me an example of something noticeable about feisty?02:36
gavintlgoldyeah, i don't have that02:37
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CarlFKrico_: display P1010001.JPG - click on the image, pick 'transform' from the menu02:37
gavintlgoldtrying to enable results in a white screen (unlike in feisty)02:37
crdlbgavintlgold, run something like metacity --version02:37
gavintlgoldi saw it say that metacity was updated though02:37
gavintlgoldalso, i don't have a deskbar applet here02:37
wabiDif yo use compiz you wont use metacity, right02:38
gavintlgoldi mean, not by default02:38
gavintlgoldnvm that's new02:38
mikubuntuTiaGo|SouZa: it's already set to none ... :(02:38
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gavintlgoldstrange.. i can start compiz with fusion-icon02:39
mikubuntugoing to reboot and see what happens ...02:40
gavintlgoldbut i can't start emerald or gtk-window-decorator02:40
TiaGo|SouZamikubuntu: what's your graphic card?02:40
gavintlgoldemerald: error while loading shared libraries: libwnck-1.so.18: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory02:40
RAOFgavintlgold: You've got Trevio's emerald installed.02:40
crdlbgavintlgold, that means you have emerald built for feisty02:40
gavintlgoldi guess i can run get-git again?02:41
gavintlgoldor just compile emerald02:41
crdlbmake is not the answer02:41
RAOFgavintlgold: Or remove the crack from your sources.list, remove all your compiz packages & reinstall them to get actual working packages.02:41
crdlbgavintlgold, you use trevinho's repo?02:42
gavintlgoldno, i don't02:42
RAOFtuxfamily repositories.02:42
gavintlgoldno repos are enabled other than ubuntu default02:42
gavintlgoldbecause the installer disabled them02:42
crdlbgavintlgold, pastebin dpkg -l|grep compiz02:42
RAOFgavintlgold: But you did have Trevino's repositories?02:43
crdlberr that doesn't help if packages are already installed from them02:43
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gavintlgoldRAOF: no, i had git02:43
gavintlgoldwell, i had trev's non-eyecandy repos02:43
crdlbgavintlgold, installed to /usr/local I hope?02:43
gavintlgoldthat have nothing to do with emerald02:43
gavintlgoldi think so02:43
RAOFAlthough, of course, /usr/local trumps /usr02:44
crdlbthen yes if you want to continue using git, you need to rebuild all the packages02:44
gavintlgoldyes, i did install emerald to user/local02:44
gavintlgoldthis is weird... all the features I was supposed to have in gutsy don't seem to be apparant02:45
gavintlgoldbut maybe they are02:45
crdlbgavintlgold, dpkg -l|grep compiz02:45
XeroJust uploaded a screeny of my new Super Bloated Utility Panel (tm)02:46
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r3m0ta good start Xero02:46
XeroThat's basically every useful applet there is.02:47
r3m0tand a few extra02:47
XeroI can hide that panel too.02:48
NightBird.... interesting...02:48
r3m0t"Add/Remove Apps" used to show the location of each new .desktop in the menu. What happened?02:48
gavintlgoldmy "other" folder has about 5000 things in it, btw02:48
XeroI have Fusion-icon, Amarok, XChat, Kopete, many many panel applets, a drawer, Firefox, and 400MB RAM used.02:49
XeroPhear my RAM optimization power.02:49
NightBirdwhy is it using the xgl server instead of the normal x server...02:49
crdlbNightBird, because you have xserver-xgl installed?02:49
mikubuntucan someone please help me recover my screen?  it's been cut in half, and i have two cursors showing, and it's all very strange .,.. someone said to goto system/prefs/appearance/visual effects and select 'none' and then reboot.  well i went there and 'none' was already selected, so it must be something else .... anybody else still experiencing this prob???02:49
gavintlgoldi like the new email message.../02:49
NightBirdcrdlb: yes, but I only have it start xgl when I select the option from the startup menu02:49
r3m0tmikubuntu: what do you get in system/admin/prop drivers?02:50
NightBirdwhich I didn't this time.... I selected the normal startup02:50
gavintlgolddo i need to keep evolution open for it to display the mail message?02:50
r3m0tis there a website for deskbar applets?02:50
mikubuntur3m0t: you mean sys/admin/ 'restricted drivers02:51
r3m0tyes, sorry mikubuntu02:52
mikubuntuok, lemme see02:52
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mikubuntur3m0t: `only atheros hardware access driver (hal) showing enabled and in use ...02:54
TiaGo|SouZamikubuntu: what's your graphic card?!02:54
r3m0thmm... maybe you should try the vesa driver for X. can somebody explain how?02:55
mikubuntuis ati rage mobility, but not properly detecxted either, i have never been able to get 1024 screenres02:55
TiaGo|SouZago to system > administration > screen and graphics02:56
TiaGo|SouZagraphic card tab02:56
TiaGo|SouZaclick on driver02:56
TiaGo|SouZaand choose the right driver02:57
mikubuntuTiaGo|SouZa: been there, done that, no avail02:57
TiaGo|SouZawhat driver did u choose?02:57
mikubunturage mobility 12802:57
crdlbati's proprietary driver has never supported any of the rage cards02:57
TiaGo|SouZago on vesa02:58
crdlbthat won't give you more than 102402:58
mikubuntucrdlb: ummmm, so basically sol on that one huh?02:58
crdlbati is the best bet, but that's what you're already using02:58
mikubuntuTiaGo|SouZa: you mean select a vesa driver?02:59
TiaGo|SouZamikubuntu: yep02:59
mikubuntuTiaGo|SouZa: ok, i try02:59
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philiphow do I enable the cube in compiz fusion? I only get a sheet (2 desktops)03:00
TiaGo|SouZamikubuntu: did u try all the rages that are there?03:01
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TiaGo|SouZaphilip: u have to go to "custom" and enable the cube effect in preferences03:01
TiaGo|SouZain the "visual tab" menu03:02
TiaGo|SouZasorry, visual effects tab03:02
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mikubuntucan't find 'vesa' anywhere in the section03:02
TiaGo|SouZamikubuntu: forget about vesa03:04
TiaGo|SouZadid u try all rage mobility that are there?03:04
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mikubuntumaybe i have to uninstall beryl???03:13
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naliothwhat is gnome-system-monitor and why is it using 100% CPU ?03:16
Xerognome-system-monitor is the GNOME "task manager"03:16
XeroIt tells you how much mem/proc is used and what programs are using it.03:17
naliothbut why is it running (and sucking 100% of my CPU) ?03:17
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gnomefreaknalioth: ppc?03:17
naliothgnomefreak: nope, Intel M03:17
gnomefreakplease say yes03:17
gnomefreaknalioth: do you have it open?03:18
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gnomefreaksmart man03:18
naliothgnomefreak: i've not started gnome-system-monitor at all03:18
Xerohttp://www.flickr.com/photos/xero2007/1389077190/ <---that screenshot has gnome-system-monitor in it, and I have no idea why it would suck your CPU.03:18
NightBirdI think I might have finally got this thing working...03:18
gnomefreaknalioth: than that is bad bug03:18
naliothwell, i'm gonna kill it03:18
NightBirdexcept for wireless...03:18
Xeroadd a -9 in the middle there.03:18
gnomefreaknalioth: it will kill alot of other things iirc03:19
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Xerognomefreak, it doesn't for me. I kill it all the time.03:19
gnomefreakthere was a bug in it but its wasnt high cpu it was not starting with gnome seesion03:19
crdlbnah, it's just a windowed app03:19
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naliothok, now on to find the real criminal:  what is udevd ?03:19
crdlbit's not a gnome daemon or anything03:19
gnomefreakoh good maybe im thinking of something else :)03:19
crdlbit makes your device nodes :)03:19
Xeroudevd is the daemon for udev.03:19
crdlbsomewhat important :P03:19
naliothwhy is it running ~75% CPU ?03:20
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Xerolol nalioth you may have something called a "screwed up install"03:20
naliothXero: maybe03:21
nosrednaekimany known problems updating at this time?03:21
rico_anyone ever encountered having Compiz-Fusion's screen edge triggers suddently stop working?03:21
rico_I just need to do a compiz --replace after that, but it gets annoying that it stops working suddenly03:21
XeroMy scale works nicely.03:21
gnomefreaknalioth: compiz enalbed?03:21
naliothi killed udevd03:22
naliothgnomefreak: how do i check? it's a standard install of feisty upgraded to gutsy03:22
gnomefreaknalioth: system>apperance03:22
XeroThat shouldn't have been done. Your device nodes are dead now, I think.03:22
naliothgnomefreak: says 'none'03:23
gnomefreakXero: restart will fix that03:23
gnomefreaknalioth: ok03:23
naliothXero: shouldn't it respawn if necessary?03:23
gnomefreakwhy the hell are you running so damn high03:23
gnomefreaknalioth: not if you used -903:23
naliothgnomefreak: nah, i used the wide hammer "killall"03:24
gnomefreaknalioth: and it didnt restart already?03:24
naliothgnomefreak: nope03:24
NightBirdwell... everything seems to be up and working... except for the wireless, but that's always been a pain in the butt to get working...03:24
gnomefreakkillall i thought was a bad way to restart things example : killall gnome-panel will restart them03:24
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nosrednaekimNightBird: what card?03:25
TiaGo|SouZais there anyone here who connects to the internet by dsl and installed gutsy by cd?03:25
naliothgnomefreak: i wasn't trying to restart it03:25
naliothgnomefreak: i succeeded at my aim.03:25
gnomefreakit shouldnt be running that high on anything03:26
NightBirdnosrednaekim: some propriptary piece of crap that is finiky in windows as well03:26
naliothok, i restarted udevd, and it's playing nice (at under 2% CPU)03:26
NightBirdI plan on replacing it sometime soon03:26
NightBirdwith something that either has open source drivers that work well, either reverse engineered or otherwise03:27
gnomefreaklooking at top to see if anything goes that high for me03:27
nosrednaekimNightBird: could you be a bit more clear?that applies to just about every wireless card out there.03:27
NightBirdnosrednaekim: basically, this is a problem I've always struggled with when it comes to linux... even for windows it's problematic03:27
gnomefreak1.7 for xorg is it03:27
XeroI'm going to upload my new blue theme to flickr in a minute. Tell me if you like it and I'll give you the emerald theme and awn theme.03:28
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nosrednaekimof 800mhz...03:28
gnomefreakkind of makes me wonder why your much better proc is running everything so high03:28
TiaGo|SouZa is there anyone here who connects to the internet by dsl and installed gutsy by cd?03:28
gnomefreaki turned it off it was killing me while trying to build some packages for PPA03:28
gnomefreakTiaGo|SouZa: yes03:29
gnomefreakTiaGo|SouZa: what is the issue?03:29
TiaGo|SouZagnomefreak: did they introduced some GUI for configuring dsl?03:29
gnomefreakTiaGo|SouZa: no03:29
gnomefreakTiaGo|SouZa: autodetect on the desktopcd03:29
TiaGo|SouZadid u have to go to terminal, then sudo pppoeconf, etc?03:29
gnomefreaki think alternate is same way03:29
gnomefreakTiaGo|SouZa: no i dont need pppoe03:30
jscinoz_in /etc/modules can i specify module options aswell? i need "i8k" to load at boot with the option force=103:30
gnomefreakatleast not that im aware of, gutsy cd install was normal, but what date was your ISO made?03:30
TiaGo|SouZagnomefreak: hm, sorry, I was thinking in this case, that u have to configure the dsl connection trhough terminal, by sudo pppoeconf03:30
TiaGo|SouZaI upgraded through feisty03:31
gnomefreakTiaGo|SouZa: network-manager and the desktopcd was ablet o see my connection no config for any of it03:31
TiaGo|SouZamy network was already up03:31
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Xerohttp://flickr.com/xero2007 just uploaded the theme.03:31
TiaGo|SouZagnomefreak: hm, I wonder how it will be here, cause in feisty I'd have to configure my network connection through terminal03:32
TiaGo|SouZagnomefreak: hope that gutsy solves it03:33
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TiaGo|SouZahere I have to put a username and a password03:33
gnomefreakTiaGo|SouZa: gutsy's update-manager was overhauled03:33
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gnomefreakit works 150% better and last update fixed 60+ bugs and only introduced 3 regressions :)03:33
gnomefreakbetter than feistys03:34
jscinoz_Whats the release date for gutsy?03:34
gnomefreakfeistys n-m is not very good at its job03:34
TiaGo|SouZagnomefreak: I've noticed03:34
gnomefreakjscinoz_: around the 18-19ish03:34
gnomefreakTiaGo|SouZa: i so wanted a hand it that n-m fixes but i got bug duty on them instead03:35
TiaGo|SouZagnomefreak: "gutsy's update-manager" - you mean "network manager" right?03:35
jscinoz_in /etc/modules can you specify module options aswell as names? eg "i8k force=1"?03:35
gnomefreakgutsys update-manager has a way to go before it works for the masses03:35
TiaGo|SouZagnomefreak: hm, awesome!!! I was hoping that someday that would come!03:35
jscinoz_eep my lappy is running hot, 75C at load.03:36
gnomefreakTiaGo|SouZa: asac is making it right hes worked on it for over a month just to improve it than bug fixes just happened to come with improvments03:36
TiaGo|SouZagnomefreak: you're making me confused, u're talking about "network manager" right again?!03:37
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gnomefreakTiaGo|SouZa: its getting late sorry03:38
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nosrednaekimXero: sweet photos03:38
Xeronosrednaekim, thanks.03:38
TiaGo|SouZagnomefreak: hueheuheuhe, np03:38
nosrednaekimXero: though i'm not a big Gnome fan.03:39
TiaGo|SouZagnomefreak: I agree with u when u say that "gutsys 'update-manager' has a way to go before it works for the masses"03:39
TiaGo|SouZaat least when it comes to dsl conections03:39
Xeronosrednaekim, I'm about to upload another one. I just cracked the Windows home theater's password.03:39
XeroI'm downloading movies off it.03:39
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XeroThe password was aaa ( i typed it in frustration)03:39
ReL1Khow do i switch to the emerald theme?03:40
TiaGo|SouZait's not fancy to go to terminal, type sudo pppoeconf and go through all those questiones03:40
nosrednaekimXero: home theater?03:40
MTecknologyalrighty... having issues with GL desktop - also tried aticonfig --initial and had massive errors... http://pastebin.ca/72121003:40
Xeronosrednaekim, yeah. We have a huge one downstairs.03:41
nosrednaekimMTecknology: use the restricted-manager03:41
MTecknologyrestart :D03:41
XeroI think it's a 50 inch widescreen plasma doomed to run as a monitor for Windows Media Center.03:41
Toma-!find audacity03:42
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ubotuaudacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.3.3-1build1 (gutsy), package size 2321 kB, installed size 6832 kB03:43
gnomefreakwhats the chances of anyone in here that had used envy on feisty than ugraded to gutsy that still has the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade?03:43
nosrednaekimTo tell you the truth I think NightBird did03:43
gnomefreakthose log files are needed as we are gonna try to have u-m fix everything for you so it doesnt fail on envy03:44
gnomefreaki was asked to get log files for this reason (they will go to bug report not me03:44
NightBirdwhat did I do?03:45
nosrednaekimNightBird: don't you have nvidia?03:45
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gnomefreakNightBird: did you upgrade to from feisty with envy to gutsy03:45
NightBirdno, I have ati03:45
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r3m0tmy laptop fan turns off for about 15 seconds, then turns on for a few minutes. how to diagnose?03:45
nosrednaekimNightBird: sorry,I must have been thinking of someone else03:46
NightBirdthat's okay03:46
ericrostquick question on gutsy, is the cntrl+alt+f1 console supposed to be disabled, or do I have some sort of bug going on?03:46
gunnyr3m0t: do a top and see if your cpu usage is causing it03:46
ericrostie tty1-403:46
gnomefreakf1 maybe running gdm so try f203:46
ericrostnope, all black03:46
ericrostwas working well before the dist-upgrade03:47
nosrednaekimthey switch to f8 for gutsy I noticed..03:47
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nosrednaekimfor X03:47
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gnomefreakericrost: that happened with edgy to feisty upgrade too03:47
SeveredCrossWhat's the plan on 2.6.23 and Gutsy?03:47
gnomefreaki cant remember what caused that03:47
gnomefreakSeveredCross: no03:47
jouleshey guys so im pretty happy with gutsy but im wondering why my windows keep showing behind the menu bar?03:47
RAOFSeveredCross: No03:47
gnomefreakSeveredCross: 2.6.2203:47
gnomefreakthey thought about it for a week and decided no it was too much to deal with03:48
nosrednaekimjoules: menubar? do you mean title bar?03:48
joulesnosrednaekim: sure03:48
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joulesnosrednaekim: i mean a desktop panel03:49
MTecknologyMUCH better03:49
crdlbSeveredCross, it's not even out yet03:49
nosrednaekimjoules: oh... the panel.03:49
SeveredCrossI wasn't sure if it would be in time for Gutsy release.03:49
nosrednaekimMTecknology: working now?03:49
MTecknologypretty much03:49
nosrednaekimMTecknology: ATI?03:49
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MTecknologynow I need to figure out why the panel won't display unless i'm rotating or until I click on it03:49
MTecknologyATI sucks.....03:49
nosrednaekimMTecknology: indeed03:49
gnomefreaknalioth: with a orig.tar.gz or the upstream tarball?03:50
joulesnosrednaekim: yeah im using compiz... i thought it could have been that .. but idk .. they just show at the far top corner and i have to alt move to see the whole window03:50
MTecknologyaside from that though it's pretty well working out of the box03:50
nosrednaekimjoules: thats odd.03:50
r3m0tI don't think it's the CPU usage03:50
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nosrednaekimMTecknology: its should be getting better soon though03:50
nosrednaekimjoules: could you possibly post a screenshot?03:50
naliothgnomefreak: with rastermans get_e.sh03:51
joulesnosrednaekim: sure its pretty simple03:51
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naliothgnomefreak: assumedly, current cvs03:51
nosrednaekimgnomefreak: I found a deb repository for e1703:51
MTecknologynosrednaekim, with the improvements to 7.10 I've seen in this last week - i don't doubt that one bit03:51
gnomefreaknosrednaekim: where?03:51
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naliothnosrednaekim: is it current?03:52
naliothgnomefreak: use the get_e.sh (i can assist you with it)03:52
gnomefreaknalioth: ive done it that way, im looking to package it for hardy03:52
MTecknologyIs there any list of new features? - I'm getting sick of noticing them all the time - being surprised once in a while is nice - but all the time...03:52
nosrednaekimMTecknology: I'm talking ATI's act.... what type of ATI card do you have? because they released an awesomely improved driver03:52
nosrednaekimnalioth: compiled at least once a month I think.03:52
nosrednaekimnalioth: I lost it in the upgrade though... sorry03:52
naliothgnomefreak: you DO like abuse, don't you?03:52
gnomefreaknalioth: yes03:52
naliothnosrednaekim: read up  :)03:52
ericrostwell, just dealt with the big problem with that, when gdm locks up I have no console to recover... funny thing, its kernel dependent, when I boot into 2.20.15 (I think thats the ver) I have a tty1,2, etc, under the newer kernel, I don't03:53
ericrostany thoughts to troubleshoot?03:53
MTecknologynosrednaekim, ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility X140003:53
nosrednaekimMTecknology: mosty better stability and 10 times better performance03:53
penguincentralnalioth? do you need to ask that question here?03:53
nosrednaekimMTecknology: but tis only for newer cards (officially)03:53
naliothpenguincentral: abuse?  :)03:53
NightBirdhm.... ndiswrapper isn't working right... as in, it's detecting the card, says the drivers are installed for it, but the card isn't showing up in the list of available wireless devices...03:54
nosrednaekimNightBird: did you modprobe ndiswrapper?03:54
MTecknologyhow can I reload when I change something in emerald-themes or ccsm w/o restarting X?03:54
penguincentralnalioth: yes, that...\03:54
joulesnosrednaekim: http://ubuntuforums.org/g/images/331297/large/1_Screenshot.png here ya go03:55
NightBirdnosrednaekim: earlier I did a scan of modules loaded, and it reported ndiswrapper as loaded...03:55
joulesoh that was bad03:55
nosrednaekimMTecknology: for emerald, just run "emerald --replace"again.03:55
MTecknologynosrednaekim, thanks much for your help :D03:55
nosrednaekimNightBird: I may be wrong,but I think you have to modprobe again after adding a driver.03:56
NightBirdnosrednaekim: I haven't added the driver recently... do I maybe have to readd it?03:56
NightBirdsince I did the update anyways03:56
ericrostoops, there's a bug filed already, I have to nix the vga= boot option for the moment.. sux because with a widescreen and nvidia, tty's are a bit garbled03:57
nosrednaekimwell,if "ndiswrapper -l" shows it, you're good03:57
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nosrednaekimjoules: ah.. that problem.03:57
nosrednaekimjoules: does that happen to all new windows?03:57
joulesnosrednaekim: yup03:57
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joulesnosrednaekim:  sorry i got kicked out .. uhm actually it only happens to firefox ... even weirder03:58
nosrednaekimjoules: ah... press f11 in firefox twice.03:59
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Xeropenguincentral, is the subdomain still working?03:59
nosrednaekimand it will fix it03:59
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nosrednaekimat least for that window ;)03:59
XeroI just cracked my stepdads home theater PC. Loads of music and movies. Actually over a TB of movies. The password, amazingly, was "aaa".03:59
ubotu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!03:59
joulesnosrednaekim: yeah... boo because if i launch a new one it doesnt work03:59
penguincentralXero: yeah, the subdomain works, but up until now net2ftp wasn't working04:00
penguincentralXero: aaa? that is funny04:00
XeroOk lets take this to pm since we're ot.04:00
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NightBirdok... it's saying "bcmwl5a: driver installed.\n\tdevice present (alternative driver: bcm43xx)"  I've already blacklisted the alternative driver(doesn't work.  won't let me do a wireless scan, and I can't connect to the network even when I tell it the data it needs)04:00
nosrednaekimjoules: maybe you have to set a window specific setting04:00
penguincentralXero: you message me04:00
joulesnosrednaekim: yeah... i guess i wonder where tho04:01
nosrednaekimjoules: well, in compiz settings manager04:01
NightBirdn/m, it appears to be back now04:01
nosrednaekimbut how I don't know;)04:01
joulesnosrednaekim:  its pretty weird it happens with firefox thunderbird but not amarok or pidgin.. then again it might because pidgin and amarok have software defined size04:02
joulesnosrednaekim:  oh well ill work on this tomorro wthianks!04:02
nosrednaekimjoules: I think you can define firefox size in the settings manager04:02
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usserdid anyone have this i get no borders in openoffice with compiz turned on04:04
nosrednaekimhello usser04:04
nosrednaekimusser: but borders in everything else?04:04
ussernosrednaekim: hows it going04:04
nosrednaekimhow about a titlebar?04:04
ussernosrednaekim: yea04:04
ussernosrednaekim: no titlebar in openoffice04:04
ussernosrednaekim: all gtk and kde apps have borders except for openoffice04:05
MTecknologyso compiz was easy to get running - now it's time for my stylus04:05
nosrednaekimMTecknology: good LUCK ;)04:06
usseris there an openoffice channel04:06
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ussersomebody use kde here?04:07
XeroI use QT apps. Close enough?04:07
nosrednaekimusser: yup.04:07
crdlbusser, try a different decorator04:07
ussercrdlb: yea im gonna try emerald right now04:07
ussernosrednaekim: did u have any trouble with kdmtheme?04:07
MTecknologynosrednaekim, ya - it sucks to do - I don't foresee this being a Just Works thing anytime04:08
crdlbkde-window-decorator has some weird bugs04:08
jscinoz_in /etc/modules can i specify module options aswell? i need "i8k" to load at boot with the option force=104:08
ussernosrednaekim: you know customized login window )04:08
nosrednaekimMTecknology: yalp... stylus and wirless.. fun04:08
nosrednaekimusser: I dont use it04:08
ussernosrednaekim: oh ok04:08
MTecknologynosrednaekim, wireless always works perfect when I install from the Live CD, never from alternative04:09
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AncientRelicI just upgraded from Feisty to Gutsy on my test box, and I can't get desktop effects to work04:10
contrast83usser: I forget exactly what I had to do to enable theming of KDM04:10
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contrast83usser: Did you read what it told you to when you opened kdmtheme?04:11
MTecknologytime to restart X again ... I might wanna start using irssi soon :)04:11
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penguincentralXero: are you getting my pm's?04:11
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contrast83usser: You're getting this message - "Override files found, so this theming will not have effect. Please see /usr/share/doc/kdm/README.Debian for more information", right?04:12
Xeropenguincentral, No.04:12
Xeropenguincentral, you need to identify.04:12
ussercontrast83: i never opened it from console, i dont change my themes all that often so i ended up overwriting the kubuntu default theme with the one i wanted and it worked04:13
penguincentralXero: great, i have to do it all over again.  Let me try on MSN04:13
MTecknologynosrednaekim, It's all working... now - since you seem so smart. Do you know any way to do something like this?  xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 2"04:13
=== usser still no luck with openoffice and borders its the same with emerald too
contrast83usser: Oh ok. Well, your custom theme is gonna get overwritten whenever there's an update to kubuntu-default-settings04:13
MTecknologynosrednaekim, the right click on my stylus is registered as a button 3 click04:13
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nosrednaekimMTecknology: any way to do that? you just put that right on the command line and hit enter :)04:14
MTecknologynosrednaekim, It won't let me put in a number twice04:15
nosrednaekimsay again?04:15
MTecknology1 2 204:16
ussercontrast83: oh yea i found that one folder kubuntu-default-settings, do u have any reading i could look in to?04:16
penguincentralXero: log into your MSN04:16
MTecknologytry that command04:16
ussercontrast83: messed with it made kdm fully unusable04:16
ussercontrast83: had to purge it04:16
XeroI'm logged in.04:16
XeroI just added you, too.04:16
nosrednaekimMTecknology: me try that?no way :)04:16
nosrednaekimwho knows what it would do to me04:17
Xerolol wtf omg haha04:17
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mikubuntumy system all screwed up since i did sys update today of 80 or so files, screen split, two cursors showing, tec...04:19
MTecknologynosrednaekim, k... well, the numbers go from 1 to 9... xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9" a number can't be repeated... if I set it to 1 2 3, then the right on my touchpad works, if I set it to 1 3 2, then the right click on my stylus works... it's just b/c the right click from my stylus is registered as a middle click. Since I don't use middle click - it would be nice to bind the right and middle click event to the right click event04:19
contrast83usser: reading that'll tell you how to properly theme KDM?04:20
MTecknologyI've searched long hours for the answer and never found it04:20
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nosrednaekimMTecknology: #xorg :)04:21
naliothwhere have they hidden the startup files for the different desktops? they used to be in /usr/share/xsessions/04:21
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mikubuntumust be some genius in here that can help me with this prob?  i have heard a couple of others with similar probs today, but their fixes din't work for me04:22
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nosrednaekimmikubuntu: try another update... maybe its fixed by now04:23
MTecknologyWhen is vmware server going to be available in the repos?04:25
AmyRoseMTecknology: I don't know but I prefer VirtualBox over VMware Server04:26
MTecknologyAmyRose, I'm not the biggest fan - but it's integrated into our work place too much already04:27
nosrednaekimMTecknology: as soon as gutsy is stable, they'll add it to the commercail repo04:27
MTecknologyI'm to blame for that - we have a lot of windows systems involved04:28
MTecknologynosrednaekim, I can wait then :)04:28
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StarScreamhey guys, is anyone here running the gutsy ppc port ?04:29
nosrednaekimbye all! its getting late..04:29
MTecknologynosrednaekim, thanks :)04:29
StarScreamjust wanna know if the beta is bootable on PPC04:29
nosrednaekimyalp...no problem04:29
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jscinoz_in /etc/modules can i specify module options aswell? i need "i8k" to load at boot with the option force=104:30
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StarScreamjscinoz_: can you add it to /etc/modules ?04:32
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mikubuntuya, tried that; but will try again nosrednaekim04:34
jscinoz_Starscream yes, but the module wont load without the parameter force=104:34
jscinoz_starscream, can that param be specified in etc modules?04:34
RAOFjscinoz_: Yes.04:34
jscinoz_so the line "i8k force=1" is sufficient?04:35
RAOFYes, should be.04:35
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jscinoz_Is the program Camorama ever going to be updated to support V4L204:42
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|neon|have a question about gutsy and crossover , after installing crossover i do  not get any menus have anyone try crossover on gutsy and if so did it work, thx04:43
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pavani am stuck with gutsy install.. can someone here help??04:48
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|neon|pavan: what do you mean by stuck? what exactly is happening04:49
pavani was able to get to the liveCD env using the Safe graphical env.. now i am installing it with ubiquity.. i was able to do everything like partition and stuff..04:50
pavanit then suggested i am ready for install.. then i click install..04:50
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pavanall i am seeing is a dialog with "Installing system".. with the progress bar @ 8%.. stuck.. and the message below says "scanning disks".. but i see not disk activity..04:51
pavanneon - did you get what i was saying??04:51
|neon|pavan: yes04:51
usserpavan: do u have access to the internet? try alternate install in text mode04:52
pavani am looking @ the processes in my system monitor.. and a process spawned by ubiquity called partman-commit which spawned 35dump process.. which according to sys mon. . cannot be killed..04:53
|neon|also you use safe graphics cause you have what type of video card, the reason i askk is becasue my 7600 gt was having issues while my 8800 gts was not go figure04:53
pavani am in safe graph mode already..04:53
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pavannot sure if i can kill ubiquity04:54
Jordan_Upavan, Why not?04:54
pavanwould it mess with my partitions badly??04:55
pavanok.. i killed it.. let me restart the install04:57
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martalli|maneI can't seem to get strigi to start working05:00
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martalli|maneIt idles...if I try to start indexing, it stops almost immediately05:01
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mikubuntuanybody here yet that knows how to fix this split screen issue?05:08
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Marfihey hey...i upgraded to gutsy, and my application bar at the top will not open anything else...anyone have any ideas?05:18
Marfiwhen i click it, it won't open anything05:19
AmaranthMarfi: rm -rf ~/.config/menus05:19
Marfihow do i get to terminal from there?  =)05:20
Marfiok, added the applet to taskbar, and ran it from terminal...didn't happen05:21
Hobbseeswitch to a VT05:22
MarfiAmaranth, now theres nothing. is there an easy way to get the things back there?05:23
AmaranthMarfi: Doing what I said should have reset the menu to the system default05:24
MarfiAmaranth, all the entries are now gone. let me reboot, and see what happens05:24
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Marfididn't work, all of the applications are empty05:27
Marfiwhen i click it, it shows up a small empty rectangle05:28
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AmaranthMarfi: sudo apt-get --reinstall install gnome-menus05:31
Marfi*tries it*05:34
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jscinoz_does gnome-screensaver support pam?05:35
RAOF Yes.05:36
RAOFls /etc/pam.d/05:37
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jscinoz_RAOF, since /etc/pam.d/gnome-screensaver states it includes common-auth, if i have my fingerprint reader set up in common-auth and it works with gdm and gksu, should it be working with gnome-screensaver05:37
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RAOFjscinoz_: Yes, it should.  However, it doesn't from what I've gathered from pwngwin.05:38
RAOFjscinoz_: He's working on it, I believe.05:38
jscinoz_any ideas about the problem with having a fingerprint reader set up breaking gksu05:39
jscinoz_there is a fix, but its not exactly the cleanest of methods05:39
RAOFNo.  I'd like to have a fingerprint reader, though.  I'll work on it if you send me a lappy with one :)05:39
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extraHi.  I upgraded to gutsy and now my graphics are messed up05:40
extradell 1420 (came with feisty), has an intel 965.. I would have thought it would just work, since it's an open driver, but it's reverting to vesa05:41
extraI can't find any comparable problem on the forums or google05:41
os2macI am having a problem with my power management software. When ever I switch between wall power and battery power I get a black screen with errors that refer to USB bus problems.05:43
os2macCan anyone help?05:43
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extraos2mac: I would, but that's way over my level05:45
extrasounds advanced05:45
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extraos2mac: do you have stuff plugged into the usb when it happens05:47
os2macextra: no05:48
extrablack screen... are there other messages on the screen too? unrelated to USB?05:49
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extrasounds like X is dieing and it's actually dropping back to the terminal, with all the boot up messages that are still there from start up05:50
extrachances are your problem has nothing to do with USB, if I'm right05:50
extrasounds like your computer is trying to go into sleep mode when you pull the plug, and linux has some sleep mode problems on some laptops.  Does your battery suck?05:51
extramy intel 965 graphics driver isn't loading after upgrading to gutsy.  Defaulting to vesa.  Not sure if it's an xorg.conf issue or something else.  Anyone know what stuff I can uninstall and reinstall to get it back up?  I already tried a reinstall of the 695 drivers in synaptic, to no avail.05:54
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os2macextra: that could be... but I am unable to log it. and when I reboot the machine I have difficulty bringing certain applications back online.05:57
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extraos2mac: like what?06:02
os2macnetwork manager, kwallet06:03
extrais network manager broken? or does it come back on sometimes?06:04
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jscinoz_In what file can i find a list of all alsa models for snd-hda-intel, i've used it before but forgot where it was06:05
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jscinoz_nevermind  found it06:07
os2macno it always comes back on eventually it just takes a while06:10
os2macWhere are the power/ACPI settings?06:11
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JamesinatorHow do I (from a terminal) update from Feisty 7.04 Server to Gutsy 7.10 Server Beta?06:12
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extraos2mac: preferences --> power management06:13
os2macI am using KDE06:14
extrammm... should be on that kde configuration thingy.. couldn't tell ya06:14
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^Ocean^okay, Just upgraded yoo gutsby,   My console is getting flooded with [   98.860000]  device-mapper: ioctl: error adding target to table06:23
^Ocean^[   98.864000]  device-mapper: table: 254:2: linear: dm-linear: Device lookup failed06:23
^Ocean^what gives ?06:23
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rabbitnightmareok I think this is distro unspecific but I would like to format a harddisk to ext3 it is a ntfs volume so I can backup my info06:32
extrarabbitnightmare: say again?06:33
rabbitnightmarei hooked up a 30 gig hdd and it is ntfs in origin I use another distro and planning on moving to ubuntu I would like to change it to ext3 so I can write to it06:34
rabbitnightmareback ups and all06:34
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rabbitnightmareit is a harddisk that contained win2k sp1 from an old machine i had years ago06:35
rabbitnightmarei jus wanna know how to format in linux06:35
extrarabbitnightmare: do you need to save anything from the ntfs partition or are you just wanting to format it?06:36
rabbitnightmarenah just a full format the computer is long dead06:36
extrawell, what distro are you using?06:36
rabbitnightmarelightning is not good for your computers ;)06:36
extrathat's debian based, right?06:37
extraah.. second06:37
rabbitnightmarei know spare the flogging i jus want out06:37
rabbitnightmarei shudda used ubuntu to begin with06:37
extratry typing qtparted in a terminal06:37
rabbitnightmarenothing appropriate06:38
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extratry parted06:38
rabbitnightmareit has fdisk06:38
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level1how do I install japanese input support in gutsy?06:39
^Ocean^I can only seem too get gnome too run in Failsafe06:39
extrait really doesn't have parted?  open up your package manager, search for a "partition editor" or whatever06:39
extra^Ocean^: what kinda computer?06:40
rabbitnightmareya this distro is really not good at all it is missing mk2fs as well06:40
extrawhat kinda graphics?06:40
rabbitnightmareu need the non opensource drivers06:40
extraOcean: did you do an upgrade or fresh install?06:40
^Ocean^upgraded from Feisty06:41
extra^Ocean^: me too..  mine's going to failsafe too.. sucks06:41
extraI can't figure it out06:41
^Ocean^reinstalled the pripriatory driver too06:41
extraAnd I've got the gma 965 intel integrated graphics chip.  the graphics system just aint seeing anything but the vesa driver06:42
rabbitnightmareapt-get is so useful i went nuts trying to get it to work in this distro apt-get parted worked06:42
rabbitnightmareok i ran parted06:43
extrarabbitnightmare: parted is a little confusing06:43
rabbitnightmareparted /dev/hdd106:43
rabbitnightmaregot that far :P06:43
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extratype mkpart and see if it dialogues you through everything06:44
extrajust make sure you choose the right part06:44
rabbitnightmarecant have a partition outside disk06:44
extraok, first type print06:45
extrathen type mkpart06:45
extrause the table.. eh?  um, open parted in superuser?06:45
rabbitnightmareas root ya06:45
extrawhen does it say that?06:46
extrawhen you type print?06:46
DanaGOh yeah, is there any easy way to say "Virtualbox always goes on Desktop 4, Centered, On Top ?06:46
rabbitnightmaregreat the disk isnt mounted i dont think06:46
extrashouldn't have to be06:46
DanaGOrange... Orange... Orange... BLUE?06:46
rabbitnightmareok its mounted now :P sorry06:46
extrasome partition editors wont allow them to be mounted to edit them06:46
extrak, try again06:47
rabbitnightmareo i have to umount06:47
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extraHi DanaG06:47
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jscinoz_Hey guys, can one of you try something for me: see if you can install the package "vegastrike-music" via synaptic, it returns an invalid checksum for me.06:48
extrajscinoz_: how bout throught apt-get?06:48
extrajscinoz_: you're not some rogue dev who planted a virus in that package, are you?06:49
jscinoz_go for it through apt-get06:49
jscinoz_its in the official repos.06:49
jscinoz_and it returns invalid checksum for me, whether i use apt-get, aptitude, synaptic06:50
extrasome how I don't believe you, but...06:50
extra60 megs?06:51
jscinoz_is tiny.06:51
extrajesus, jscinoz_06:51
jscinoz_2mins download06:51
jscinoz_adsl2+ ftw06:51
extrawhats ftw?06:51
jscinoz_for the win06:51
rabbitnightmarethe best06:51
extraI kept thinking "fuck the world"06:51
rabbitnightmarewow you can cus in here how nice06:52
extraevery time I saw it06:52
jscinoz_Its never dull in #ubuntu+1 :P06:52
jscinoz_well now you know :P06:52
extrajscinoz_: I don't make a habit of it06:52
rabbitnightmaregawd i love the ubuntu community more and more06:52
extraI was quoting, btw06:52
rabbitnightmarethis could be habbit forming06:52
jscinoz_Needs moar *buntu!06:52
extrait's frowned upon here06:52
ubotuPlease watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.06:53
extrama' bad06:53
rabbitnightmarepeople here seem normal and nondramatic and all just my type you helped me out without asking for anything in return06:53
jscinoz_Maybe its just the iinet mirror of the official repos...06:53
extraI did context it with quotations06:53
rabbitnightmareas soon as i get this stuff backed up i think i found a home distro06:53
jscinoz_sheesh avant-window-navigator loves to crash06:54
extrajscinoz_: it's installing now06:54
jscinoz_worked for you?06:54
jscinoz_i get (excuse lack of pastebin): W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/ubuntu/pool/universe/v/vegastrike-music/vegastrike-music_0.4.3-1_all.deb06:54
jscinoz_  Hash Sum mismatch06:54
rabbitnightmarehey how nifty it comes with a partition editor06:54
extrajscinoz_: yea, it workd06:54
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rabbitnightmarelike of the graphical sort06:55
jscinoz_probably just my isp's mirror thats borked06:55
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jscinoz_the message you get when you start gparted without root is awesome06:55
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jscinoz_"Since gparted may be a weapon of mass destruction..."06:55
rabbitnightmarenow why didnt you tell me parted had a front end :-P06:56
extrahmm, never seen that one06:56
rabbitnightmarewow my disk just made a funny grinding noise06:56
extrathought pclinuxos was kde06:56
rabbitnightmarethunderstorms are no good for ur hardware06:56
level1I can't boot gutsy without fglrx... i tried vesa and ati06:56
jscinoz_gparted is the one that comes with ubuntu06:56
rabbitnightmareit is i have qt packages installed06:56
extraoh, then you should have installed qtparted06:57
level1fglrx makes me cry, and if I can't fix it i'll just use debian which worked... feisty did not work06:57
rabbitnightmareand aptget got the front end for me06:57
rabbitnightmarehow nice06:57
jscinoz_Didn't ATI opensource their 3d-driver recently06:57
rabbitnightmarenot yet06:57
jscinoz_called RadeonHD or something06:57
extrajscinoz_: yea, but it's not ready06:57
level1jscinoz_: they plan to06:57
rabbitnightmarethey will06:57
jscinoz_wish nvidia would o the same06:57
rabbitnightmareamd is amazing06:57
jscinoz_but the nvidia driver is miles ahead of ati anyways06:57
rabbitnightmareand lose all that money from ms for not06:57
extraI heard novel is working on it a lot right now06:58
jscinoz_or fglrx atleast06:58
rabbitnightmaredell is really pushing it06:58
extrawell, the released the specs, which is all we asked for06:58
jscinoz_argh i cant even manually install vegastrike-music from the deb06:58
level1anyway, I'm looking for a solution now, something that won't overheat my gpu and prevent me from suspending and hibernating06:59
rabbitnightmaredoes ubuntu come with reiserfs support by default?06:59
extrajscinoz_: pull it from ubuntu's servers06:59
jscinoz_extra, yep doing that now06:59
jscinoz_extra, i prefer to use my ISP's one though, using it doesnt count towards my tiny bandwidth limit of 60gb06:59
extrarabbitnightmare: yea06:59
jscinoz_Australia fails for internet07:00
extrajscinoz_: in the US?07:00
rabbitnightmarereiserfs is still the best filesystem right or am I mistaken?07:00
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extrarabbitnightmare: being that hans reiser has been convicted felony, there's a dark cloud over reiserfs's future07:01
rabbitnightmarei know sad day07:01
rabbitnightmaresince the beginning i always used reiserfs07:01
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extraif you have thousands of small files, reiser is good, but ext3 is good enough07:01
extraXFS is what we want07:01
osmosishow come gutsy didnt turn on compiz by default on my laptop ?07:01
extraer, I mean ZFS, maybe07:01
extrasun's ff07:02
extraosmosis: upgrade or fresh install? what card?07:02
osmosisthe only thing I hate about ext3 is I seem to get fsck's at startup.07:02
osmosisresier doesnt give me those nasty wait times.07:02
extraosmosis: should only be every thirty startups07:03
rabbitnightmarereiserfs since the dawn of linux has been the fastest filesystem i have used to date07:03
osmosisextra: yah...reiser doesnt do that.07:03
osmosisextra: fresh install....dell inspiron 1420...intel card I think.07:03
Tomcat_`If you feel adventurous, try XFS ;)07:03
Tomcat_`Should be even better.07:03
rabbitnightmareidk i jus heard a nasty grinding noise in the platters running a block check07:04
extraosmosis: hah.. me too.. exact same problem.. I'm here asking around about it too. no responses yet07:04
rabbitnightmarebut how stable is xfs?07:04
osmosisextra: yah...i mean, its the one that comes with ubuntu. should work..07:04
osmosisextra: but atleast im not the only one.07:04
extraTomcat_`: is there an XFS version for linux?07:04
rabbitnightmareXFS is a filesystem supported by slackware as fas as I know of07:04
osmosisextra: Intel GM956/GL960 IGC07:04
extraosmosis: did you upgrade from feisty?07:05
Tomcat_`extra: Sure. :o07:05
osmosisextra: you look on the forums.07:05
rabbitnightmarei member seeing it years back when i first tried linux07:05
osmosisextra: nope, fresh install.07:05
extraTomcat_`: isn't that sun's fs? with patents?07:05
Tomcat_`rabbitnightmare: Developed by Sun... I dug into the details for a seminar.07:05
extraosmosis: shit, good thing I didn't try a fresh install07:05
Tomcat_`No idea about the patents... technologically, it's fantastic. :)07:05
rabbitnightmarehow stable is XFS07:05
extraer, scuse the language07:05
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extraTomcat_`: Yea, I heard linus wants it on linux, but there's patent issues with sun07:06
Tomcat_`rabbitnightmare: I read it's not the best. I'm sticking with ext3 for its reliability. :)07:06
osmosisextra: i tried running the new fresh screen and graphics manager, and it just trashes my video config.07:06
extrasun wants to use it as a bonus for solaris users07:06
osmosisextra: I install gutsy beta on my MacBook and it worked with compiz by default. :)07:06
rabbitnightmaretoo bad for reiserfs tho so sad07:06
rabbitnightmarehope he gets out soon and continues work on it07:07
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osmosisTomcat_`: rabbitnightmare:  reiserfs is just as reliable as ext3.07:07
extraosmosis: same here.. the graphics manager only sees the vesa driver07:07
osmosisextra: yah...is there a fix for that? I just did another fresh reinstall and dont touch that now.07:07
rabbitnightmarewell time for this rabbit with really big teeth to goto bed its 1 am here lol07:08
rabbitnightmarelaterz all07:08
osmosisZFS is awesome. Ive use it on netapps, kicks ass. Too bad sun is hogging it.07:08
extraosmosis: so it works now that you haven't touched the utility?07:08
osmosisextra: not compiz...but my normal video does in the correct res.07:08
level1are there any xorg.conf options that I might need to play with to get ati to work? or an alternative to fglrx besides ati?  vesa doesn't seem to work either07:08
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osmosisextra: you would think dell would have someone on top of these bugs.07:09
alex_LAnyone heard this error from a belkin USB wireless key?  SIOCSIFADDR: No such device07:09
osmosisextra: i think i tried an earlier gutsy, and compiz did work though.07:10
extralevel1: not sure about gutsy, but the propriety driver need xgl, whereas the open driver defaults to aiglx, iirc07:10
level1extra: I'm not sure if you understand... I want to run any driver besides fglrx, but none of them will boot, X just crashes07:10
extraosmosis: you'd think dell would be working with ubuntu in the dev process, to insure this doesn't happen from the start07:10
level1extra: if I don't have 3d stuff thats just fine07:11
extralevel1: completely uninstall fglrx, reinstall the open driver, run that Xconfig utility.. ?07:12
level1extra: the open driver didn't work from the start, even the liveCD wouldn't boot07:12
extralevel1: what card are you using?07:13
level1mobility radeon X140007:13
extramm.. that's on the threshold.. don't remember if that one is supported by the open driver07:13
extra(like, even 2d)07:13
RAOFextra: 2d goes all the way up, I think.07:14
alex_LAnyone heard of a usb wireless card locking up a entire system before?07:14
alex_Llike... no Mouse nor any ctrl alt backspace??07:14
n4nobitalex_L: I have seen it. Some of those are poorly built hardware.07:14
level1extra: the open driver doesn't even try, it looks on a whitelist of recongized cards, doesn't find my card, and decides not to try07:14
extraalex_L: it's possible.. not common though.07:14
level1extra: I really just want to tell the driver "fscking try it anyway you little fsck!"07:15
extralevel1: have you tried the x-config tool? that one that sets up an xorg.conf file for you? (while the open driver is installed and available)07:16
extraalex_L: have you googled that dongle for linux/ubuntu?07:16
alex_Lyeah, I had it running for the last 9 months on ubuntu07:17
alex_Lbut it locks me up now???07:17
extraalex_L: now that you upgraded?07:17
alex_Lerr. on a new gutsy install. it worked out of the box07:17
level1extra: how do I invoke x-config?07:17
alex_Land then stopped working07:17
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extraalex_L: do you have another ubuntu box to try it on?07:18
extraanyone remember the terminal based x config utility?07:18
osmosisextra: what to chime in on this too for more votes..  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/13164607:18
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131646 in xorg "Can't select correct resolution (1280x800) Gutsy Tribe 4" [Undecided,New] 07:18
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level1extra: are you talking about dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg?07:18
extraosmosis: my res is fine though.. I think...07:19
extramaybe not.. looks fine though07:19
ricohey guys. anyone encountered a problem wherein pressing Ctrl+alt+F1 gives you distorted video (and makes your system stuck)? 7.10 gutsy with intel video.07:19
osmosisextra: even if you run the Screens and Graphics applet ?07:19
level1There is either no video hardware installed on this machine (e.g. serial console only), or the "discover" program was   unable to determine which X server is appropriate for the video hardware.  This could be due to incomplete information  in discover's hardware database, or because your video hardware is not supported by the available X servers.07:19
extralevel1: maybe.. does that one allow you to choose the res and keyboard and all that?07:19
level1extra: yeah, that error message is what I get when I run it07:20
alex_Lyeah its in my lappy as I speak. no locking up. but it doesn't work without drivers (feisty)07:20
extraosmosis: yea, I think.. the applet doesn't really do anything at all07:21
osmosisextra: chime in on this then.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/14751907:21
ubotuLaunchpad bug 147519 in ubuntu "GM965/GL960 dell inspiron 1420, gutsy beta compiz doesnt work" [Undecided,New] 07:21
extralevel1: could  there be something wrong with the hardware? any other distros work fine?07:22
extraalex_L: so it locks up another box? not the lappy you're on?07:22
extrarico: your compiz working?07:22
ricoextra: yep. working great.07:23
level1extra: debian is able to run vesa... it was not able to run ati, and I never tried fglrx (would rather die)07:23
alex_LHey RICO try turning a few options off in compiz settings.. um.. can't remember exactly but turn off 'auto refresh rate' and um... 'sync to VBlanc'07:23
ricojust that suspend doesn't, or switching with ctr+alt+f1, and ctrl+alt+bksp...07:24
level1extra: I love vesa so much, I swear to god its the best driver ever07:24
ricoooh.. will do.07:24
alex_Lit doesn't lock up the lapp, but does my desktop07:24
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alex_LSee above RICO07:24
alex_Ldo you get funny colors and stuff?07:24
level1extra: the Xorg.0.log says: (EE) No devices detected.07:24
level1extra: when I run ati07:24
extralevel1: pretty stable07:25
ricoalex: yep. weird disroted blocks of color..07:25
ricoalex: will try your fix. :)07:25
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level1extra: stable?07:25
extraalex_L: does it work without the driver on the lappy?07:25
alex_Lit worked for me. I couldn't swap users, turned them off. All good!07:25
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alex_Liwconfig wlan0 scan turns up nothing07:26
extralevel1: the vesa driver, stable.. just catching up07:26
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ricoalex_L, nope. crashed my X. ;)07:26
level1extra: what does it have to catch up to?  it runs so nicely, its perfec07:26
ricostill weird blocks color.07:26
rico"detect refresh rate" and "sync to vblank" are off.07:26
extraalex_L: maybe try installing the drivers on the lappy, see if it's stable? matter of elimination07:27
alex_Lyeah ok I will. cheers07:27
osmosisextra: https://launchpad.net/~inspiron142007:27
extralevel1: :) I had to catch up with the messages in the room :)07:27
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level1okay, somehow vesa started working, not sure how, but now the screen resolution's off and I still can't suspend... god I hate this computer07:34
MTecknologythis is fun... When I log in to my compiz enabled desktop the panel doesn't appear until I click the mouse but also shows when I'm rotating even if I haven't clicked yet07:35
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extralevel1: is this a fresh install of gutsy?07:38
level1yeah, from the livecd07:38
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extraso you've just been tweaking the system on the ramdisk, to see what'll work?07:39
level1extra: what do you mean? its an installed version07:42
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extraah, thought you meant you were running /from/ the cd07:42
level1extra: no, installed from the livecd07:42
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extraso, even from the livecd, the ati driver didn't start up?07:43
MTecknologyHow can I make it so not every folder under Places is listed?07:45
MTecknologyI like some of them - but I rarely use most07:45
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extraMTecknology: can't find it.. probably some way through that gnome registry thing.. sounds like a job for google.. look for: gnome tweak ui07:48
extraor something like that07:48
extragnome configuration manager, I think the registry thing is called07:48
nurettinhello i have got dns server problem in resolv.conf  i am editing resolv.conf, when i restarted take old value.07:48
extranurettin: how are you editing it?07:49
nurettinsudo vi /etc/resolv.conf07:50
extraso, it's wiped when you restart the system?07:51
DaemonikHow would one go about using this cursor theme http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Neutral+Plus?content=48837 with Xubuntu?07:51
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MTecknologyextra, it's gconf-editor... now I need to figure out where that is :S07:52
nurettinextra: when restarted taken but i want
MTecknologyi mean where the settings i want are at in there07:52
extraMTecknology: I never use that thing :/07:53
MTecknologyextra, I can't seem to find them in there - maybe in a week or so - after i get some sleep07:54
MTecknologyttyal - nap time07:54
extranurettin: you want to use as the nameserver?07:54
extraor resolve a name to ?07:55
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compwiz18I'm trying to setup bluetooth in gnome and the bluetooth applet in the sys tray sees my phone, but when I press Connect it dies with the message "Check if the service is available."  Any suggestions?07:58
Xemanth^i upgraded and now now kdm package failed to install :D07:59
Xemanth^kubuntu gutsy07:59
extranurettin: is network-manager running?07:59
Xemanth^is it normal that on beta stage this kinds of stuff happens07:59
extraXemanth^: fun :)07:59
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extracompwiz18: what does 'hciconfig up' tell you?08:01
extra(when ran in a terminal)08:02
compwiz18hci0:   Type: USB08:02
compwiz18        BD Address: 11:11:11:11:11:11 ACL MTU: 672:3 SCO MTU: 48:108:02
compwiz18        UP RUNNING PSCAN ISCAN08:02
compwiz18        RX bytes:10649858 acl:20 sco:208788 events:70 errors:008:02
compwiz18        TX bytes:884 acl:22 sco:0 commands:36 errors:008:02
compwiz18(sorry for not using the pastebin :()08:02
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compwiz18I know it works cause it works on my other gutsy laptop perfectly08:02
nurettinextra: what is network-manager _?08:04
nurettinextra: how can i control this ?08:04
extra'apropos bluetooth' is showing me a bunch of deamons. i'd type that, then check running processes for those deamons.. ensure one of them is running.. I don't know anything about bluetooth though08:05
nurettinextra: nm-applet 0.6.5 running08:05
compwiz18I don't know anything about bluetooth either, which is my problem... :)08:05
extranurettin: it autoconfigs all network stuff.  Not very good imo, if you need to do advanced stuff.  there's probably an alternative to resolv.conf though.. what are you trying to do?08:06
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nurettini want use my dns server.08:06
compwiz18nurettin: try finding the dhcpd conf file and add the prepend nameservers line  I think it's somewhere in /etc/...08:07
compwiz18%sudo vim /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf08:08
extracompwiz18: where do you find the bt applet?08:08
compwiz18extra, when I plug in my dongle it pops up in the systray08:08
compwiz18Bluetooth Applet 0.1408:08
nurettincompwiz18: #prepend domain-name-servers;08:09
nurettinam i delete # ?08:09
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compwiz18speaking of which I need to setup my dns server too08:10
compwiz18after bt works08:10
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nurettincompwiz18: i am restarting my computer08:11
nurettinokay ?08:11
compwiz18I think if you run dhclient that would do it too08:11
extrayea, just type dhclient08:11
extracompwiz18: yea, I see it now.. it's in preferences.. gonna try linking my phone up08:12
compwiz18whats really annoying though is that I click connect, the phone vibrates, and the "would you like to bond" message pops up for like 1/2 a second then goes away08:13
compwiz18so I can _see_ it but it won't connect08:14
compwiz18btw extra you may have to install gnome-vfs-obexftp08:14
compwiz18its in universe, but its required, but its not a depend...08:14
compwiz18theres a bug report for that...08:14
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extrahmm.. installed that package.. still don't see the phone08:20
extrait's a samsung blackjack08:20
extra(windows mobile 5.0)08:20
compwiz18you have to set it to visible or discoverable or something08:20
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Crozarplease somebody help me08:23
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extracompwiz18: do you discover from your phone or from the computer?08:25
compwiz18the phone08:25
Crozarits very important , maybe im the most sufficated person in the earth for this matter , i dont want to format and get back to feisty because this problem didnt only occur to me on gusty but happened same thing for edgy08:25
compwiz18extra: mine has a button titled "Find me"08:25
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extraCrozar: what's up?08:26
extracompwiz18: my crap is crap08:26
compwiz18lol :D08:26
compwiz18mine works on the old lappy but not on the new one08:26
compwiz18Gutsy hates me today I think08:27
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Crozarextra:  this is an internet problem ( i couldnt connect to any websites ) but [ i can ping stuff ]  but when trying to connect to websites it says connecting then suddenly unable to connect.08:27
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extraCrozar: so, you can get on irc, but not internet?08:27
Cebulinux--guys is it safe to upgrade to gutsy using CD?08:27
Crozarextra: i have the study of my network ( i went through network tools i did all the wizard and copied it to a .txt file but i cant go to !pastbin site same problem :( so if u can PM me il send u the whole thing theyr08:27
rabbitnightmareif i copy all of my music to another harddrive as root will I be able to get to it in another distrobution?08:28
extraare you using a proxy? have you altered your proxy settings in firefox?08:28
Crozarextra:  i cant beleive im in IRC i left it open while i was doign trace route and netstat and suddenly i see my IRC glowing08:28
compwiz18Crozar, can you connect to DNS servers?08:28
Crozarextra:  with feisty i havent expirienced any of these proiblems08:28
Crozarextra:  good thing i had my Xchat irc =D08:29
extrarabbitnightmare: I think you can at least take ownership, using the root account at least, id think08:29
Crozarcompwiz18: yes i can connect to my router08:29
rabbitnightmarety extra08:29
compwiz18Crozar, whats in your /etc/resolv.conf?08:29
frostburnhow long does it normally take for trackerd to index everything08:29
Crozarwhat do i type in terminal because  u guys put the dir directly i have to type sudo gedit /etc...08:30
Crozaror is theyr another way08:30
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rabbitnightmareis it possible to chown an entire directory?08:30
Crozarcompwiz18: nameserver
cellojoechown -r?08:30
compwiz18rabbitnightmare, chown -r bob:bob directory/08:30
rabbitnightmareawesome never understood chown for the life of me08:31
cellojoecapital r08:31
cellojoechown -R08:31
rabbitnightmarety so much08:31
compwiz18Crozar, what does dig google.com give you?08:31
cellojoechown --help for more info08:31
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Crozarcompwiz18: where do i type that08:31
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compwiz18Crozar, open a terminal08:31
compwiz18and type in08:31
compwiz18dig google.com08:31
extraCrozar: do nslookup google.com08:31
extraer, or that08:32
compwiz18either way08:32
extramm, dig is better :)08:32
Crozarsorry coz i cant go to paste bin :( il pm you extra08:33
extracrozar: no need08:33
extrado any ip addresses come up?08:33
CrozarNon-authoritative answer:08:33
CrozarName:   google.com08:33
CrozarName:   google.com08:33
CrozarName:   google.com08:33
extrathats good08:33
extrayea, you're getting out08:33
compwiz18pick one and ping it08:33
compwiz18is firefox set up to use a proxy or something?08:34
extrasounds like a proxy thing08:34
cellojoenot to butt in, but Crozar, can you ping google.com?08:34
Crozarcompwiz18: i did diggoogle.com something weird came out im afraid to paste it here then i get kicked i dont know if ill be able to come back08:34
Crozari can ping google yes08:34
Crozarim in IRC lol08:34
compwiz18lol Crozar don't worry about it - the stuff that you pasted above is good enough :)08:34
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compwiz18same results, different commands =D08:35
extrain firefox, go to edit --> preferences --> advanced --> connection settings08:35
extracheck to see if you're using "direct connection" or not08:35
CrozarThe connection has timed out08:35
CrozarThe server at en-us.www.mozilla.com is taking too long to respond.08:35
Crozarthats firefox08:35
cellojoeit could also be in gnome-network-preferences (i think that's what it is)08:35
extracellojoe: wouldn't that proxy all connections? not just firefox?08:36
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extrahe's only having firefox problems.. and it's timing out very fast08:36
cellojoebut if it's set to an http proxy, you'd only see errors in firefox08:36
compwiz18I'm giving up on my bluetooth thing I think08:36
Crozarextra:  i think i have an internet problem !08:36
compwiz18Crozar, does Synaptic work?08:37
CrozarNO! :()08:37
extraCrozar: did you check the proxy settings like I said? in firefox?08:37
compwiz18what does wget google.com get you?08:37
cellojoei had a similar problem and discovered it was my isp's fault. that could be a possibility08:37
Crozari have no proxy :) i use foxyproxy its disabled08:37
Crozarlet me try konqueror thats my last try maybe08:38
Crozarand now firefox works08:38
Crozarwhat the hell08:38
compwiz18random problem08:38
extraI fixed it!08:38
Crozarwhat did we do?08:38
Crozarwhat did we do :(08:39
extrahecks if I know :)08:39
compwiz18sounds like it just stopped working and then started working again08:39
Crozarextra:  i had feisty but people said with toshiba satelite edgy will work better so i installed it got same problem had to restart more then 10 times trying and trying u know what  only 1 time it worked then all the time same bad problem :( i had then to go back to feisty but im afriad of gusty now if this bug is like the edgy version i dont want to be waiting for the network to be happy for me lo08:40
cellojoecan someone tell me that my data is safe if i follow PriceChild's instructions and 'apt-get update|upgrade|dist-upgrade' in a chroot environment?08:40
Crozarwill work better i mean faster and good for laptop08:40
Crozarextra compwiz18 : WAIT A MINUTE!!!!08:41
alka_trashI just upgraded to Gutsy and I can say that it looks better than the old feisty08:41
extracellojoe: Never heard of PriceChild, but I wouldn't recommend it ;)08:41
Crozarnow synaptic doesnt work and firefox08:41
cellojoePriceChild is a mod on the forums, and frequents #ubuntuforums08:41
cellojoealka_trash: "old feisty"? it's not _that_ old :P08:42
Crozaronly konqurer works but firefox acts weird same problem connecting then it ust doesnt work08:42
cellojoethanks Crozar, now konqueror isn't workin08:42
extracellojoe: why does PriceChild advise doing it in a chrooted environment?08:42
Crozar:( what?!08:43
alka_trashcellojoe: I'm just being mouthy, but it does look LOOK better08:43
cellojoeextra: if you can't get into gutsy normally, do it from a live cd , then chroot08:43
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Hobbseecellojoe: no, that's if you break your system, so it wont boot.08:43
cellojoeCrozar: now my konqueror isn't workin08:43
extracellojoe: oh, if your install borks?08:43
Crozarcellojoe: my konqueror works and all the others just dont work except pinging things08:44
cellojoeextra: yeah08:44
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riotkittiewow. i've been online for 43 minutes. this may set a record, in terms of my wireless connection's stability under gutsy.08:44
extracrozar: have you checked the gnome proxy settings?08:44
Crozarextra:  it hink i know something!!! , firefox and synaptic and the rest of ubuntu is connected into a weird method whicsh that file must be fixed but konqurer has its own lib;s maybe and own method thats why it works and irc maybe had an alternative thing that made me in08:44
riotkittiei have probably just jinxed myself. <waits for the lag to start>08:44
Hobbseecellojoe: assuming you dont remove your data, or anything else while you chroot in, yes, it's safe.08:44
Hobbseecellojoe: but if you tell rm -rf mydata*, then it will remove it, as always08:45
Hobbseecellojoe: it's like having a root shell with it08:45
Crozarextra: how?08:45
extracrozar: on kubuntu?08:45
cellojoeHobbsee: so it'd be similar to just doing 'su' in a terminal?08:46
cellojoethat is, if you could get into gutsy08:46
extraCrozar: System --> Preferences --> Network Proxy08:46
Hobbseecellojoe: or, sudo -s/sudo -i, yes.08:46
Crozarits on direct internet connection extra08:46
cellojoeso why not just 'sudo -i'?08:46
Crozaron advanced configuration i see => localhost , , *.local08:47
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extraHey, who knows how to do something like: telnet google.com 8008:47
extrathen something like a GET08:47
Hobbseecellojoe: because if you cant boot your system, and get to a virtual terminal, you cant login, therefore you cant sudo -i.08:47
Crozarextra: its on direction connection , and next tab , on advanced configuration i see => localhost , , *.local08:48
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extraCrozar: that's fine, dont change that08:48
compwiz18Crozar, what happens if you do wget google.com in a terminal?08:48
RAdamswhat does "ldconfig deferred processing now taking place" mean, and why do I see it whenever I install/uninstall/upgrade with apt now?08:48
cellojoeextra: this may not be what you're after, but the 'lynx' app does that for me :)08:48
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cellojoeHobbsee: ah. thank you.08:49
Hobbseecellojoe: :)08:49
Hobbseecellojoe: it's a last resort - a way that you can access yoru system when everything else has failed.08:49
Crozarcompwiz18:  nothing happenes08:49
extracellojoe: hah08:49
Crozarcompwiz18: Resolving google.com...
CrozarConnecting to google.com||:80...08:50
compwiz18why does it say google is
extrayea, that's no good08:50
compwiz18that's the problem08:50
compwiz18right there08:50
extrahosts file?08:50
Crozarloooooooooool :(08:50
compwiz18DNS problem08:50
Crozarand why konquerer works and im in IRC lo08:50
compwiz18whats /etc/hosts look like?08:50
extracat /etc/hosts | less08:50
Crozar127.0.0.1 localhost08:51
Crozar127.0.1.1 coze-laptop08:51
Crozar# The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts08:51
Crozar::1 ip6-localhost ip6-loopback08:51
Crozarfe00::0 ip6-localnet08:51
Crozarff00::0 ip6-mcastprefix08:51
Crozarff02::1 ip6-allnodes08:51
Crozarff02::2 ip6-allrouters08:51
Crozarff02::3 ip6-allhosts08:51
sin1anyone know what directory the default theme icons are in?08:52
compwiz18sin1, /usr/share/icons?08:52
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compwiz18Crozar, do gksudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf08:53
sin1awn is using the trash icon from mist instead of using the os x theme I nstalled over it.08:53
cellojoe_woops.i'd tell you the line that killed irssi, but it'd kill irssi08:53
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compwiz18Crozar, change that line to nameserver
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cellojoeopendns ftw08:54
compwiz18and add a line below it that says
sin1yep, that's it! thankx compwiz!08:54
compwiz18(the sad part is I've memorized those.. :S)08:54
compwiz18np sin108:54
extracan never remember their first two octets :)08:54
Crozarcompwiz18: saved08:55
cellojoenow if i could just memorize a google ip08:55
compwiz18Crozar, reload firefox08:55
Crozarshould i refresh or something before testing?08:55
compwiz18exit it and open it again08:55
extraborked nm-applet?08:55
compwiz18then give it another try08:55
compwiz18lol there is no such thing as an unborked nm-applet xD08:55
Crozarcompwiz18: WOoooooooooooooooooOOHooooooooooooooo08:55
Crozarcompwiz18: WowoWOowowoWOowow ( give me ubuntu Forum site )!!! this bug must be reported for edgy aswel08:55
compwiz18it might be a bug with your router08:56
cellojoewhat's the bug?08:56
cellojoeand you'd goto launchpad08:56
compwiz18Crozar, is that on a desktop or a laptop?08:56
Crozarcompwiz18: thanksssssssssss!!!!! forth and south west east and also before north hits the star08:56
cellojoelaptop bugs don't count08:56
Crozarcompwiz18: laptop .08:56
compwiz18do you move it around much?08:56
extraCrozar: do you have the network-manager applet at the top right of your screen? (or whereever)08:56
compwiz18I usually make my resolv.conf immutable to stop things screwing aroudn with it... but if you need to change the addresses then that doesn't help much :S08:57
Crozarextra:  u know what , i have it on my top right because i uninstalled windows from my laptop used my 40gb for linux MWhahA..08:57
Crozarcompwiz18: but it was nameserver thats myr outer what ips was that u gave me?08:58
compwiz18Crozar, those are the opendns ips08:58
cellojoecompwiz18: how do you make your resolve.conf immutable?08:58
Crozarcompwiz18: for waht country lo08:58
compwiz18sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf08:58
extraoh, yea.. that was his routter08:58
compwiz18sudo chattr -i /etc/resolv.conf08:58
compwiz18undoes it08:58
extrahmm. maybe someones been messing with the router08:58
cellojoeCrozar: in the world of internetz, there are no countries08:59
nanonymewhy not just make automatic scripts update /etc/resolv.conf properly? :P08:59
compwiz18yeah I think the router is funky08:59
cellojoeCrozar: except china08:59
nanonymei usually tend to do that08:59
Crozarmy router is funky yes08:59
compwiz18that's where I am08:59
cellojoewell, china and the rest of the world08:59
Crozarcompwiz18: actually this is a 6 years old router im buying netgear soon08:59
compwiz18opendns doesn't work in china...08:59
compwiz18its sad08:59
extrawhat ya doing in china?09:00
cellojoeaww, compwiz18 can't view google.com/search?q=freedom w/o getting arrested?09:00
Crozarcompwiz18: i nearly lost hope 2 days ago i thought of making feisty all my life with laptop and use gusty and hardy for PC09:00
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cellojoethat last comment may not have been PC, sry guys09:00
compwiz18I've got foxyproxy and tor set up so that I can get around09:01
cellojoe!wtf celloje09:01
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about wtf celloje - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi09:01
Crozarcompwiz18: how come konqurer works? it has a new mathod of going through tunnel bypassing linux walls?09:01
compwiz18Crozar, I have no idea why it works...09:01
extracompwiz18: will his nm mess up his resolv.conf again?09:01
compwiz18extra, probably next time he runs dhclient...09:01
Crozarextra:  whats NM? so ?>?09:01
Crozarcompwiz18: whats that? what do u mean09:02
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Crozaril try restarting and see if it works09:02
compwiz18don't worry about it, let's see if we can fix it09:02
compwiz18DONT do that yet09:02
extrahe could set up manual settings in nm09:02
compwiz18can you09:02
compwiz18I got rid of nm09:02
extrathat's what I used to do09:02
Crozaril stay yes09:02
riotkittie61 minutes. :o  what happened? why is my wireless suddenly not a flaming death trap?09:02
compwiz18first thing I did this morning after installing gutsy09:02
Crozarcompwiz18: so i dont restart? lets wait?09:03
compwiz18if you restart09:03
compwiz18you'll lose all the settings we just got working09:03
compwiz18I think09:03
cellojoeCrozar: you could use the chattr +i to keep your resolv.conf from changing09:03
Crozarcompwiz18: u just gave me dns09:03
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Crozarcompwiz18: it was to type it here right gksudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf09:03
riotkittiei should remove nm but i've grown quite fond of watching it freeze. :D09:03
extrayea, nm sucks.. but the manual config works if he never changes ip09:03
compwiz18Crozar, but when you reconnect to the network, it will overwrite /etc/resolv.conf09:03
cellojoeanyone tried wicd?09:04
Crozarcompwiz18: btw im not using roaming mode im using dhcp09:04
compwiz18I'm the creator of wicd :P09:04
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extrai heard wicd was good.. never tried it09:04
riotkittiei was going to try wicd. i actually meant to install it earlier.09:04
Crozarcompwiz18: sorry im using roaming mode09:04
riotkittiebut i got wrapped up in important things. like eating cake. and lobbing profanities at my wireless adapter.09:04
cellojoei tried it, but it messed up my connections09:05
Crozarin network settings in DNS i see the ips u gave me ils ave them in a note pad09:05
compwiz18riotkittie, what wireless adapter do you have?09:05
compwiz18Crozar, save them somewhere else09:05
riotkittiecompwiz18: it's a dlink dwl g12209:05
compwiz18then if you reboot and it doesn't work, you can pop them back in and connect09:05
compwiz18riotkittie, I'll stay away from that one then :D09:05
extrasudo mv /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.back09:05
extraer.. I mean..09:06
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riotkittiecompwiz18: you probably wouldnt have issues with it. i, on the other hand, am very much the stupid :P09:06
compwiz18lol I spend hours setting wireless adapters up :D09:07
extraCrozar: sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.back09:07
riotkittiei've been screwing with this since august 10th. :|09:07
cellojoewhen i have wireless problems, i use my wrt54g as a client bridge :)09:08
cellojoewireless problems gone09:08
extraCrozar: then, when it borks, do a sudo mv /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf09:08
riotkittiewhen i have wireless problems, i drink. a lot. :|09:08
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extramaybe with an -f09:08
cellojoeriotkittie: then all problems = gone09:08
riotkittiei havent been sober in the last seven weeks :P09:08
Crozarextra: what does cp mean and when u typed mv aswell09:08
extracp means copy09:09
extramv means move09:09
cellojoei thought mv was make vino09:09
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extrasometimes, if you just want to change the name of the file, do a mv09:09
nanonymeman cp, man mv :P09:09
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nanonymeget accustomed to trying man on all commands you don't at first get, it usually explains quite a bit...09:10
cellojoes'a big different if you forget to /ignore joins parts quits09:10
riotkittiemake vino, drink vino, deplete vino, make vino... ahh, endless loops :|09:10
extraso, don't do mv.. do cp.. that way you'll always have a resolv.conf and a resolv.conf.back .. just cp from resolv.conf.back to resolv.conf whenever it borks09:10
Crozarextra:  my synaptic update got me a msg Not all updates can be installed  - run a partial upgrade , to install as many updates as possible09:11
Crozarextra:  ok i have nochoice just to pres spartial =p09:11
compwiz18time to see if digital camera works09:11
cellojoeCrozar: mine did that too09:11
nanonymethen again, if you use /etc/network/interfaces to set up dns, /etc/resolv.conf should be set up properly09:11
extrait happens09:11
cellojoeand then the new window just hangs09:11
compwiz18sometimes running the update multiple times solves the problem09:11
Crozarcompwiz18: could i restart?09:12
extrananonyme: what do you do in interfaces?09:12
compwiz18as long as you have those addresses somewhere else09:12
extraCrozar: did you back up your resolv.conf?09:12
Crozarcompwiz18: when i had feisty i installed compiz fusion manually 0.6 then now im updated to gusty but my compiz acts weird what should i do ? should i have removed it before?09:12
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compwiz18I dunno09:13
Crozarextra:  you told me to type sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.back09:13
cellojoehas wicd made it to the repos?09:13
Crozar mv /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf09:13
RAOFCrozar: Remove your existing compiz, remove the repository it came from, and reinstall compiz.09:13
compwiz18I am the lucky owner of an ATI card, which despises compiz to no end09:13
RAOFcellojoe: No, and it's not going to, for Gutsy, at least.09:13
extraCrozar: not exactly09:13
compwiz18cellojoe, nope its not in the repos09:13
Crozarso i must go and copy both files?09:13
Crozarextra:  manually?09:13
compwiz18theres a deb tho09:13
cellojoeCrozar: we could make you a snazzy script to do it for you...09:14
cellojoedebs are nice09:14
CrozarRAOF: removing compiz how by typing apt-get autoremove compiz09:14
cellojoeyou could put the deb in a repo so that users could add your repo to their sources.list09:14
RAOFCrozar: Removing compiz by running "sudo aptitude purge ~ncompiz ~nlibdecoration"09:14
riotkittiehaha. sometimes, i realize just how fortunate people are to have the ubuntu community.09:14
Crozarcellojoe: what u mean09:14
compwiz18it is in a repo : http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php09:14
cellojoeCrozar: it'd be easy to make a script that would do those commands for you09:15
Crozarcellojoe: you guys did scripts?!!!09:15
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extraCrozar: just make a copy of resolv.conf and paste in on your desktop.. if  things bork, copy those addresses back in there09:15
cellojoeso you could just run/double click it, and it would copy your resolve.conf.back to resolv.conf09:15
Crozarcellojoe: you mean u click them like icons and then just typing dir?09:15
RAOFCrozar: That will remove all the packages that match *compiz* and *libdecoration*09:16
rothchildHi there, my compiz was working really well until last week and now when I hold the cursor over an icon (or anything else that shows additional info) it is09:16
cellojoeCrozar: i mean like just clicking an icon on the desktop and entering your p/w09:16
rothchildall blacked out09:16
riotkittierothchild: try changing your theme?09:16
cellojoewhoa.... what's katapult?09:16
compwiz18app launcher09:17
compwiz18supposedly its pretty cool09:17
Crozarnice!! cellojoe09:17
rothchildthis happens on both my i810 laptop and nvdia desktop both on different themes09:17
Crozarhow is that09:17
extratest, who can tell Crozar how to make an executable .sh on his desktop, just by using the terminal...09:17
extrausing cat09:17
cellojoe ooo ooo ooo pick me!09:17
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extrathe floor is open09:18
Crozarextra im in the  /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolveconf folder i cant see a resolv.conf.back09:18
cellojoedamn, i always get suckered into these things09:18
nanonymethat's a simple task, i'd just want to know why :P09:18
rothchildriotkittie just tried it seems to have worked, thank you! What's that all about then?09:18
nanonymewhy can't he use a text editor like all sensible people?09:18
cellojoeline1: #/bin/bash09:18
compwiz18sensible people use vim :P09:18
cellojoesurely i jest09:18
riotkittierothchild: i have no clue. i just remember having seen someone mentioning your issue in a thread and someone else suggestion a theme change.09:19
nanonymecellojoe, sensible people use a text editor09:19
nanonymei think nano would be the simplest one09:19
compwiz18gedit is good to but nano is good for the terminal09:19
nanonymebut yes, ed and vi are very very likely to exist09:19
cellojoesimplest? gedit09:19
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cellojoebest? VI!09:19
riotkittievi makes me cri :|09:19
compwiz18best is vim09:19
Crozarextra: i copied both files09:20
nanonymeriotkittie, tried ed?09:20
cellojoevi and vi knockoffs09:20
nanonymecompared to ed, vi is bloat ;)09:20
riotkittieno. i am fail and fragile, and cling to pico like a frat boy clings to his last beer09:20
riotkittieerrr nano09:20
nanonymeheh, i think pico was re-licensed09:20
rothchildinterestingly though compiz won't use my metacity window borders?09:21
extraCrozar: which files?09:21
Crozarextra compwiz18 : thanks alot for fixing the internet , you think this bug must be posted for ubuntu~team?09:21
nanonymerothchild, why should it?09:21
Crozarextra: resolv.conf and its backup09:21
riotkittiei cant believe my wireless hasnt died once in the last 80 minutes. the mind, it boggles.09:23
cellojoeis it really this easy? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39239/09:23
Crozarcompwiz18: aaaaa :(:( :( doesnt work again sameproblem my resolv.conf is back to nameserver
extraCrozar: ok, where did you copy them to?09:23
TrewasCrozar: sounds like bug 8105709:23
ubotuLaunchpad bug 81057 in ubuntu "DNS Resolves everything to intermittently on some ADSL Routers" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8105709:23
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compwiz18Crozar, that will happen occasionally...09:23
cellojoeCrozar: there's your shnazzy script09:23
Crozarcompwiz18: feisty didnt have that problem09:23
compwiz18I dunno09:24
rothchildbecause in gnome gl desktop settings I have the 'use metacity themes' option ticked 'cept it doesn't09:25
Crozarextra:  should i type th is  sudo cp /etc/resolv.conf /etc/resolv.conf.back or this sudo  mv /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf  to have my dns updated09:25
extraCrozar: cp09:25
cellojoeCrozar: my script will copy your backup to your not-backup09:26
extrathe backup file should have in it the DNS servers that compwiz18 gave you.. because the regular resolv.conf will get wiped occasionally09:26
extraoh, cellojoe made you a script09:26
CrozarTrewas: that bug wasnt in ubuntu feisty it was working great and i think feisty wasnt concerned with that kind of problem it had a method or i think it had no conflicts , but for edgy it had same problem and now also in gusty same problem its like gusty's approuch is from edgy but not from feisty09:26
cellojoeextra: i did. i did.09:27
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Crozarextra: i think il need to copy a script for the desktop to double click :( but this is scary.09:27
extraCrozar: do cd ~/Desktop; gedit DNS_Fix.sh09:27
Crozarextra:  how to lock/stop changing of resolv.conf)09:27
Amaranthrothchild: You should not use gnome-compiz-preferences09:28
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cellojoeextra: now i'm gonna figure out how to do something like $echo nameserver \n nameserver > /etc/resolv.conf09:28
Crozarextra:  what do i type in that file09:28
rothchildoh ok, where is the relevant option in ccsm or is there a .conf file?09:28
extrathen paste in to gedit the text from pastebin, that cellojoe posted09:28
Amaranthrothchild: for that particular option you have to use gconf-editor09:28
extrafrom therre09:28
Amaranthrothchild: I would reset your compiz and gtk-window-decorator settings back to default though09:29
extrathen save it09:29
rothchildok thanks, I'm new to gnome as I've been on kde for some time so I'm still finding my way around a bit09:29
Crozarextra:  id id09:29
extrahowever, insure that you have a file called resolv.conf.back in your /etc directory that has the correct opendns addresses that compwiz18 gave you.. that way that script will always replace the real resolv.conf with the right addresses09:30
Crozarextra:  i have the file in desktop but i cant double click it09:30
Crozarextra:  yes i checked it has09:31
cellojoechmod _x09:31
extraoh yea... hmm.. gksudo?09:31
extrait's an admin command09:31
extraneeds password09:31
Crozarextra: when i double click it just opens the .txt from inside09:32
cellojoeCrozar: sudo chmod +x DNS_Fix.sh09:32
Crozarcellojoe: where do i type that09:32
cellojoein a terminal09:32
extracellojoe: theres no sudo in that script09:32
cellojoeright click the file, properties09:32
cellojoeextra: yeah... sudo ./DNS_Fix.sh09:32
cellojoeCrozar: in the file properties, goto Permissions09:33
cellojoeCrozar: make the file executable (it's a check box toward the bottom)09:33
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Crozarcellojoe: its checked09:33
cellojoeextra: oooooh. if you're just clicking it... yeaaah09:33
cellojoeneeds a sudo eh09:33
Crozarcellojoe: its on read only both09:33
Crozarcellojoe: only first is on read and write09:34
cellojoeCrozar: edit the file and add    sudo    at the beginning of line 3209:34
cellojoeer, line 209:34
Crozarcellojoe: i think open with must be in terminal09:34
cellojoeif you do it in a terminal, then just cd /to/the/right/folder and sudo ./DNS_Fix.sh09:34
Crozarcellojoe: i cant edit it09:35
cellojoewhere'd you save it? you don't have the right permissions09:35
extrahe used sudo gedit09:35
extraso, sudo gedit ./DNS_blah bhal09:36
extraadd a gksudo to the beginning of the cp line09:36
cellojoegksudo? or just sudo?09:36
extragk.. brings up a pretty password dialogue when he clicks it09:36
cellojoei think you could also change #/bin/bash to something that root uses, like /bin/root?09:37
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extradon't think it's necessary09:37
extraCrozar: got gedit up in write mode yet?09:37
Crozarextra:  whats this im on headache peope giving me hard things09:37
cellofellowI think my install, from the Gutsy beta LiveCD, as frozen.09:38
Crozarextra: i deleted the desktop script lo09:38
extracd ~/Desktop; sudo gedit ./DNS_Fix.sh09:38
cellofellowhas rather than as :)09:38
Crozarextra:  ic an type things in it now09:38
cellofellowIt formatted the partitions, and then it's just sitting there.09:38
Crozarextra: do i type #/bin/bash09:38
Crozarcp /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf09:38
extrathat's fine, do the above command and it'll create a new .sh.. then paste in. yea, add a "gksudo" to the beginning of the second line09:39
cellofellowCrozar: the shebang on shell scripts is #!/bin/bash09:39
Crozarcellofellow: whast shebang :(09:39
cellojoecellofellow: what's the @09:39
cellojoeer, !09:39
extralets the shell know it's a shell script09:40
Crozarextra:  do it ype #/bin/bash09:40
Crozarcp /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf09:40
Crozaror #!/bin/bash09:40
Crozarcp /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf09:40
cellofellowI'm not sure what the ! does, but it's there for a reason. I think ! means "use this program" and the # means the program ignores it.09:40
cellojoeoh, i just did #/bin bash w/o the !09:40
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TommyHello, i just installed gutsy beta and did not install a boot loader. Can someone post their gutsy menu.lst entry so i can copy it please?09:40
cellofellowor #!/bin/sh or #!/bin/dash or such.09:41
extracellojoe: worked for me with out the !09:41
extraCrozar: then09:41
Crozarextra:  then i see a lock file oontop of the file should i now type sudo chmod +x DNS_Fix.sh09:41
extragksudo cp /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf09:41
cellofellowso, is there anything I can do since Ubiquity has hung? It just keeps on doing it.09:42
extrano.. type sudo chown <yourname>:<yourname> DNS_Fix.sh09:42
extrayourname being your username09:42
cellofellowchown yourname:yourgroup rather.09:42
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extramy group is the same as my name09:43
cellojoedon't worry guys, i'm working on a new script. ver 1.509:43
CrozarYou do not have the permissions necessary to save the file. Please check that you typed the location correctly and try again.09:43
cellofellowmine too, but it /can/ be different.09:43
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extracellofellow: I'm just a glorified newb here.. cut me some slack09:44
Crozarextra: invalid group09:44
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extracellofellow: uuhuhh09:44
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Crozarextra: chown: cannot access `DNS_Fix.sh': No such file or directory09:45
extraCrozar: try leaving out the group field09:45
extraput a ./ before it09:45
cellojoethe answer: #! /bin/sh -09:45
cellojoeCrozar: ignore my last09:45
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cellofellowMy hardware is relatively standard. AMD Turion X2, IDE hard drive, nVidia GeForce 6100 graphics.09:45
Crozardoesnt work09:46
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Crozarid id #!09:46
cellofellowHeck, even the RealTek wireless works with the LiveCD.09:46
extraCrozar: do rm ./DNS_Fix.sh09:46
extraer, do sudo rm ./DNS_Fix.sh09:46
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Crozarno such file09:47
cellofellowDebian Installer seems to work a little better than Ubiquity.09:47
extraCrozar: try my second line there09:47
Crozarextra: why cant i do a script i think im doing somehting wrong or not keeping up with the exact instuructions09:47
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Crozarcp /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf09:47
compwiz18hello symtab09:47
symtabanyone having problems with restart in gutsy?09:47
Crozarextra: should i have #!/bin/bash09:48
symtabsince the upgrade my box freezes when i try to restart my computer09:48
symtabfrom gnome09:48
extraCrozar: we'll get it right.. we want to delete that file and start over09:48
symtabnot from the console09:48
cellofellowCrozar: very first line has the be the shebang, and then you put the rest of the script. After that, save it, make it executable, and run it normally.09:48
extraCrozar: cellojoe is making you the right script right now09:48
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Crozarcellofellow: whats the line09:49
cellojoecellofellow: :D09:49
Crozarshell scripts is #!/bin/bash09:49
TommyHello, i just installed gutsy beta and did not install a boot loader. Can someone post their gutsy menu.lst entry so i can copy it please?09:49
cellofellowCrozar: 'pends on whether you are using BASH or SH.09:49
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Crozarcellofellow: im on ubuntu gusty lool :(09:49
Crozarim laughing with crying tears of hopelessness09:49
cellofellowCrozar: they've (slightly) different syntaxs and SH is faster than BASH. Oh, and both are included.09:50
cellojoeanyone using konqueror?09:50
cellofellowcellojoe: not since Edgy.09:50
cellofellowgrumpymole: hey there!09:50
Crozaril go for faster09:50
extraCrozar: sudo rm ~/Desktop/DNS*09:50
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extraCrozar: did the script disappear?09:51
cellojoere konqueror, i just found the link to letter feature. hold down Ctrl and a letter pops up above links. hit the letter, follow the link!09:51
cellofellowgrumpymole: the Gutsy Beta LiveCD installer keeps freezing on me. Any clue why it might be? It does it right after it says it's formatting the partitions.09:51
Crozardeleted it09:51
extraCrozar: gedit ~/Desktop/DNS_Fix.sh09:51
extraCrozar: #!/bin/bash09:52
extraCrozar: gksudo cp /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf09:52
Crozarcd ~/Desktop; gedit DNS_Fix.sh  ====> in the file type => #/bin/bash09:52
Crozarcp /etc/resolv.conf.back /etc/resolv.conf09:52
Crozar === > interminal type => sudo chmod +x DNS_Fix.sh09:52
extrapaste those last two lines into gedit09:52
TommyHello, i just installed gutsy beta and did not install a boot loader. Can someone post their gutsy menu.lst entry so i can copy it please?09:53
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extraCrozar: then save gedit and close it09:53
extraCrozar: Did you paste that last line I wrote out? with the gksudo?09:54
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Crozargedit means what?09:54
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jmgwhat glx should i use for i915?09:54
compwiz18gnome edit09:54
Crozaryou mean text09:54
cellofellowTommy: if GRUB isn't in the MBR, a menu.lst file isn't going to help. If when you boot you get an unhelpful 'grub>' prompt, then you need a menu.lst file. If it just keeps on doing what it normally does, say boot windows, it's not installed.09:54
jmgis mesa not the right one?09:54
Crozarextra: i saved it09:54
extraCrozar: ok, now right click it, make it executable09:54
jmgcartel@manticore:~$ sudo glxinfo |grep direct09:55
jmgdirect rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose)09:55
Tommycellofellow: i have another distro installed and i didnt want to lose all the tweaks to its grub menu, i just want to add gutsy to my current menu.lst09:55
extraCrozar: sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf.back09:55
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about glx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi09:55
extracompwiz18: what were those addresses?09:55
cellofellowTommy: shouldn't be too different.09:55
cellofellowTommy: but I don't have Gutsy installed yet.09:56
Crozarextra:  i made it executable09:56
Crozarwhere should i type this sudo gedit /etc/resolv.conf.back09:56
Tommycellofellow: so i can use a ubuntu 7.04 entry as my gutsy entry?09:56
Crozaryes its theyr nameserver
cellofellowTommy: should work.09:57
extraCrozar: ok, so they're already in there? great.. then you're good to go.09:57
cellofellowTommy: just change filenames, etc.09:57
Crozarextra: its been theyr since long time09:57
extraCrozar: what does cat /etc/resolv.conf say?09:57
Crozarextra: i wanted to have a script to double clcik and internet works again09:57
Tommycellowfellow: and do you know what exact kernel the new gutsy beta uses,  like 2.6.22-xx ?09:57
Crozarextra: i want to lock it :(09:58
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RAdamsdid the latest upgrade kill compiz-gnome for anyone else?09:58
Crozarextra: so i dont have to double click i might be downloading torrents now before i go to uni09:58
RAdamslooks like an issue related to libwnck18 being removed and replaced by libwnck22...09:58
cellofellowTommy: 2.6.22-12-generic09:58
extraCrozar: now you can click on the .sh script, click run, and it'll update it.09:58
Tommygreat, thanks for the help09:59
extracompwiz18: hmm. can he lock it out from nm?09:59
compwiz18sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf09:59
Crozarextra: can it lock on 208.67.222.....09:59
compwiz18that locsk it from _everything_09:59
compwiz18which is ok09:59
compwiz18as long as you don't need to change it..09:59
Crozarcompwiz18:  :( it changes u said and yes it was working suddenyl it got back to
compwiz18Crozar, do you take your computer anywhere that has a proxy server?10:00
cellofellowis GParted supposed to crash?10:00
extraCrozar: did you try that chattr command compwiz18 mentioned?10:00
Crozarno direct proxy10:00
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compwiz18cellofellow, no ;)10:00
Crozarsudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf10:01
RAdamscellofellow: let me guess: you're on gusty live cd and it crashes while scanning after partition changes?10:01
cellofellowwell, I think I need to wait for Beta 2 or RC to actually get Gutsy installed then.10:01
cellofellowRAdams: yup.10:01
RAdamscellofellow: happens here too10:01
compwiz18the livecd wouldn't even load for me10:01
compwiz18it thought that my ati card could run aiglx...10:01
compwiz18it all went downhill from there10:01
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extraI did an upgrade and my intel gma 965 stopped working.. running on vesa now10:02
cellofellowI got AIGLX running in the LiveCD here.10:02
compwiz18but not with an ati card :D10:02
cellofellowAnd Compiz, just no rotating cube.10:02
cellofellowcompwiz18: nope, nvidia.10:02
slackerncompwiz18: which card do you have?10:02
compwiz18ati 200m10:02
Crozarcompwiz18: i typeed sudo chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf does this mean it will be locked?10:02
_StefanS_anyone know if the "no sound" issue on ICH9 has been reported?10:02
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compwiz18Crozar, that's right10:02
slackerncompwiz18: ahh i don't have any experience with those im afraid.10:03
Crozarcompwiz18: il go now for about 6 hours i hope it is =)10:03
compwiz18trust me, I've tried10:03
compwiz18it only works with xgl10:03
compwiz18which is to buggy and slow to be useful10:03
Crozarcompwiz18: thanks alot for the help10:03
compwiz18not that compiz is useful... ;)10:03
compwiz18no problem Crozar10:03
Crozarextra: same to you extra =)10:03
compwiz18I've gotta go10:03
compwiz18cya all10:03
cellofellowI tried partitioning from DreamLinux. At least GParted didn't crash in there. But for some reason it puts /dev/hda1 as / in mtab, even though it's not even doing anything to the hard drive. Makes partitioning a pain.10:04
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extraI have to dip out too..10:04
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RAdamsDoes anyone know how to solve the problem where all users disappear from your GDM user list?10:04
cellofellowChange the settings in gdmsetup?10:04
cellofellowThere's a whitelist/blacklist thing in there under Users.10:05
RAdamscellofellow: the settings are fine10:05
Crozarcompwiz18: 1 more question i have compiz since feisty its not weird so should i remove everything even the files in my homefolder , coz i did amanual download install , must i redo all again?10:05
cellofellowthen I've no idea.10:05
RAdamscellofellow: it's set to grab users from /etc/passwd, as is the default way10:05
Crozarcompwiz18: i mean its weird now lo10:05
RAdamsit shouldn't just stop working10:05
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RAdamsbut this seems the disturbing trend in gusty10:05
cellofellowwell, I'm going to bed, and hoping that a more stable GParted is in the next Gutsy ISO.10:06
RAdamsgdm sounds, bluetooth input devices, face browser lists not populating, gparted crashing on the live iso...10:06
acusterHey all, need help getting logs for a bug report. Gutsy stops booting after 4.08 seconds in the second count on boot. Is there a file at that point that has logged what has happend so far?10:06
g1gamangentlemen, i've done upgrade to gutsy beta yesterday by "update-manager" -c -d method. The problem i've get in to is pasted here: http://pastebin.ca/721332 What is the fastest way to get openoffice work again?10:06
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rothchildwhat's the command to rebuild the gnome menu? I have a bunch of dead entries I'd like taking out10:08
g1gamanrothchild: do you mean alacarte?10:08
Crozarcompwiz18: i will uninstall compiz and reinstall  , but again thanks for the help and now atleast i think im loving linux more =) you learned me how to script things and let it do things for me .10:09
rothchildthat's a bit long winded I thought there was a prompt command that I could issue that would do it automagically?10:10
acusterwhat are /var/log/faillog and /var/log/lastlog ?10:12
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rothchildwhere is the gconf setting that makes compiz use metacity themes?10:17
pwuertzisnt that the default setting?10:18
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rothchildI just reset compiz using gconftool --recursive-unset /apps/compiz10:19
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rothchildbut compiz is using emerald rather than metacity10:19
sonoftheclayrThe distribution upgrade tool just frooze up on me and stopped working. What do I do? Close it and try again or restore the backup I made yesterday?10:20
jmghi all10:20
jmgwhat glx should i use with i915?10:20
jmgi get Direct Rendering: No10:20
rothchildjmg I think that should be the i810 driver10:21
rothchildworks for me at least10:22
jmgi have the driver, but i dont know what glx to install10:22
jmgrothchild: can you glxinfo for me?10:22
rothchildsure one moment10:22
rothchilddo you want the whole lot?10:23
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g1gamangentlemen, i've done upgrade to gutsy beta yesterday by "update-manager" -c -d method. The problem i've get in to is pasted here: http://pastebin.ca/721332 What is the fastest way to get openoffice work again?10:24
rothchildjmg http://pastebin.com/m310169b010:24
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kingrayrayhey everybody10:24
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rothchildhope it helps!10:26
slackerng1gaman: not sure but to me it looks like the archives you have downloaded are corrupt, maybe redownloading them could help?10:26
cellojoewho wants to tell me how to make my shell script run as root, and ask for a p/w in a generic popup?10:27
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sonoftheclayrcellojoe: use kdesu10:27
cellojoelike the popup you get when you open synaptic or something10:27
sonoftheclayrcellojoe: or gksu i think, i don't use gnome10:27
cellojoehere's the script http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39247/10:28
cellojoeit work if you do sudo ./script10:28
cellojoebut i want it to work from a gui, and ask for a password10:28
g1gamanslackern: can you teach me how?10:28
jmg00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller (rev 03)10:29
kingrayraycellojoe: gksu or gksudo will work10:29
kingrayray(or kdesu if you use kde.)10:29
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slackerng1gaman: try doing a sudo mv /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.22-12-generic_2.6.22-12.39_i386.deb ~ ' that will move the possibly broken package to your homefolder for safekeeping, then do a 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade'10:30
jmgI havedo i need to install special aiglx packages?10:30
slackerng1gaman: it should redownload that .deb file again then and if it doesn't work we still have a backup of the old one.10:31
cellojoekingrayray: kdesu doesn't work :(10:31
g1gamanslackern: than you10:31
g1gamanthank you10:31
cellojoei think it's because the redirector '>' is treated as a separate command, and the kdesu doesn't apply to it10:31
slackerng1gaman: don't say thank you yet, it's isn't working yet :)10:32
kingrayrayhmm, you could try a script to launch the script maybe, like a script that says kdesu scriptname.sh (not the cleanest way but i dont do a lot of scripting..)10:32
kingrayrayi'm sure there's a far more efficient method10:32
rothchildjmg do you have glx enabled in xorg.conf?10:33
slackerng1gaman: it could be that you could try with a 'sudo apt-get -f install' also after the broken .deb file has been redownloaded10:34
cellojoekingrayray: the kdesu ./script works :)10:35
g1gamanslackern: let's see.10:35
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kingrayraycellojoe: cool, i hope that works out :)10:36
kingrayray(also let me know if you find a cleaner method, lol)10:36
cellojoekingrayray: heh, i will10:36
slackerng1gaman: aye, lets see what happens10:36
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jmgrothchild: yes10:37
jmgrothchild: i must have the wrong lib installed10:37
jmgrothchild: i bet if i reinstall it will work10:37
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zenumhey, i just downloaded kubuntu gutsy beta and every time i boot up from the live cd it seems the dpi is no tproperly recognised and the fonts are HUGE, is there a way to fix this during the bootup stage? or any other way?10:42
zenumI think this laptop has an Intel graphics card10:42
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XamDMhi there11:11
XamDMi just updated to gutsy, everythiong works fine, but any shells i try ( ctrl+alt+f1) are only black, no loginshell11:12
XamDMpvandewyngaerde, what do jou mean exactly ??11:16
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pvandewyngaerdenormally it is configured in /etc/inittab  but i cant find it anymore11:18
XamDMpvandewyngaerde, yes i remember a problem after updating from dapper to feity11:20
XamDMinittab themes to be gone, lets see whats google tells us about ;), thx for the hint11:22
pvandewyngaerdeupstart or something ?11:23
pvandewyngaerde   /etc/event.d/tty*   - files ??11:25
XamDMjep upstart, bur it is able to use inittab, il try to copy it from my other computer ...11:26
XamDMtty's are ther11:26
XamDMmaybe a problem with the nvidia-driver ??11:27
pvandewyngaerdethe process of the shells are the   (min)getty processes11:27
XamDMps shows them11:29
XamDMmy child is hitting the keyboard ;)11:29
XamDM 4541 tty4     Ss+    0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty411:30
XamDM 4542 tty5     Ss+    0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty511:30
XamDM 4547 tty3     Ss+    0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty311:30
XamDM 4548 tty1     Ss+    0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty111:30
XamDM 4549 tty6     Ss+    0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty611:30
XamDM15283 tty2     Ss+    0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty211:30
XamDMlooks good11:30
XamDMill try without nvidia-modul, thx for the help11:32
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ricoanyone running the xserver-xorg-video-intel driver with the latest gutsy?11:34
rothchildrico I'm running i810 is that the one you mean?11:38
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ricorothchild, nope, i810 and intel are different. :/11:40
ricoI'm having trouble with -intel, and I tried switching to -i810 but that failed miserably11:40
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rothchildwhat's the hardware?11:42
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acusterhey all, how do we get compiz glory going?11:42
acusteralso, restricted drivers for my modem talks of sl-modem-*; I'm wanting to use hsfmodem, are those the same?11:43
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ricoacuster, using gutsy?11:44
acusterfinally got a boot11:44
acusterbut don't have desktop-effects in the menu11:44
acusterwhich surprised me11:44
ricojust go to system -> prefs -> appearance, and set visual effects to normal/extra/custom11:44
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ricoto get "Advanced desktop effects settings" on your menu (which is compiz's configuration tool), you need to install the compizconfig-settings-manager package11:45
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Crozari am back pluck UNI!11:49
Crozari am still worried about my ubuntu lo11:49
XamDMpvandewyngaerde, if i remove vga=791 from /boot/grub/menu.lst everything works11:49
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rothchildhow do I get compiz to use metacity as the window decorator11:50
_dan_gtk-window-decorater --replace11:50
acusterhmm, desktop-effects could not be enabled. :-(11:51
CrozarCOMPIZ problem help ( i was a feisty user )  i did some twaeks that i did for my xorg.conf file and some other things that made my window panel show ontop of the window but i have updated to gusty . and does gusty have built in compiz? if so i think i did a mistake because i havent uninstalled compiz and emerald before going to gusty and now with gusty when i uninstall compiz i still see the icon ontop. thought of reinstalling it.11:51
ricoacuster, gutsy?11:51
ricoran to the same problem and found a fix11:51
rothchildthanks dan I got as far as having gtk-window-decorator in the decorator plugin11:51
acusteran old radeon card11:52
ricobut use it on your own risk :P11:52
ubotuLaunchpad bug 141621 in compiz "Compiz-fusion fails to start on ubuntu-studio because of XDG_CONFIG_DIR - /usr/bin/compiz: 376: /usr/local/bin/compiz: not found" [High,Confirmed] 11:52
Crozarrico: i need help for my bug plz11:52
ikoniaCrozar whats the problem11:53
Crozarhow to completely remove compiz-fusion and emerald then do it all over again11:53
ikoniaCrozar errr thats going to be tough in gusty11:53
ikoniaCrozar you are using gusty ?11:53
ricoCrozar, did you install compiz-fusion and emerald from the tuxfamily repositories?11:53
Crozarikonia: i had comiz and emerald when i had feisty but i forgot to uninstall before going to gusty :(11:53
XamDMCrozar, apt-get remove "packagename" --purge11:53
acusterso the only serious problem the beta had for me is that the UUID in Feisty and in Gutsy for the root partition are different11:53
acusterwhich amazes me.11:53
Crozari installed compiz manually doing the commands ect.. all by terminal manually not from the deb file11:53
Crozarit was if im sure 0.611:54
ricosudo aptitude purge ~ncompiz ~nlibdecoration <-- removes compiz and emerald11:54
ikoniaCrozar you can remove it using the package manager however, it may break other things like gnome in gusty due to depndencies, I'd advise a clean install11:54
Crozarwhat must i do11:54
rico(along with other dependents like ubuntu-desktop... which you have to take note of so you can install it again)11:54
Crozarreinstalling will help the problem?11:54
ikoniaCrozar I'd advise a clean gusty install because of how intergrated copmiz/xorg/desktop are11:55
Crozarits weird i still feel compiz is beta i see the icon ontop exacltly like feisty i thought gusty will be more legitimate with compiz and makes people see thats its all ubuntu =_)11:55
Crozarikonia:  :(!!! Noooooooo My files11:55
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Crozarikonia: ok i will back up then do all again.11:55
ikoniaCrozar compiz isn't beta and it intergrated in with ubuntu, what more do you want ?11:56
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Crozarikonia: but i see the compiz icon above and my window panels doent show ontop of a window11:56
tichdid everyone have a partial dist-upgrade today?11:56
ikoniaagain - why is that a problem ?11:56
Crozarwindow panel i need to minmize maxmimize11:57
tichlet me rephrase:  was their a partial dist-upgrade available today?  ...and did anyone do it?11:58
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Crozarikonia: ok i will backup and format , must i backup my xorg file coz i did some twaeking for feisty with it11:58
ikoniaprobably best to let gusty sort it11:58
ricoCrozar, what "compiz icon"?11:59
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ricolike, desktop icons?11:59
Crozarrico: ya but on top11:59
Crozarrico: on systray11:59
acusterrico, thanks for your help. looks like my card's max texture is too small to play and i'd rather have a big desktop than wobbly windows ;-)11:59
acusterciao all11:59
Crozaroh man12:00
shiznitthis is the gutsy channed right?12:00
Crozarno body told me to remove compiz before ionstalling gusty even the website12:00
ikoniayes it is12:00
shizniti like this release12:00
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Crozarshiznit: lol word looool lol looooooooool12:00
shizniteverything just works12:01
Crozarshiznit: sentence12:01
Crozarnot everything12:01
shiznitim not getting baited12:01
tichmany things just work!12:01
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ricoCrozar, well... gutsy *is* beta12:01
shiznitill let you guys know if i find any bugs12:01
ricoCrozar, did you install compiz-fusion from trevinho/tuxfamily repositories?12:01
ikoniashiznit don't let us know, report them using the book reporting tools12:02
Crozarrico: no from fyda's guide12:02
shiznitikonia, you were right about automatix, ok i will12:02
rothchildshiznit have you tried plugging in any usb devices?12:02
shiznityes, usb mouse works12:02
Crozardoes xbox usb controller work with ubuntu?12:02
shizniti can try, i have a proper wired one12:03
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rothchildhow about your pendrive or usb hard drive12:03
Crozarshiznit: try if yes we can play mugen online in 2months or play Kaillera with Kawaks on King of Fighters 200712:03
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rothchildare you getting automount?12:03
tichif someone could tell me if their was a partial dist-upgrade today i would greatly appreciate it.  i have a couple third party repositories and i forgot to shut them off before running the upgrade tool.12:04
Crozarrico: i installed it from fyda's guide12:04
shiznitim not too big into fighter games, except SFIII third strike12:04
tichtheir is  a chance that i did an upgrade that broke my system and i want to know before shutting it off.12:04
shiznitCS:S im by bread and butter12:04
ubotu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!12:04
Crozarrico: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=1985 i did the compile method12:05
Crozari see the compiz folder in my homefolder12:05
ikonianot a good idea12:05
shizniti noticed it doesnt mount ntfs drives anymore if you hibernated windows, i guess thats to prevent data loss?12:05
ikoniaas it breaks the package manager dependencies12:05
ricoCrozar, can you do make uninstall from your source folders?12:05
Crozarhow is that?12:06
ikoniashiznit if you hibernate windows, how can you boot into ubuntu ?12:06
shiznityou still see grub12:06
ricoikonia, by selecting ubuntu from the grub menu :b12:06
shiznitwhen you boot next12:06
ikoniashiznit no, because thats a reboot not hibernation12:06
Crozarrico: theyr is no rule for make uninstall compiz12:06
ricoCrozar, it says it doesn't know how to make 'uninstall'?12:07
shiznitikonia, no i was using windows and hibernated, i came back hours later and booted straight to ubutnu, widows was still hibernated12:07
Crozarrico: make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'.  Stop.12:07
ikonianot all packages will have an uninstall option in the make file12:07
ricono rule for target uninstall, i mean?12:07
ikoniashiznit no it isn't12:07
ricoyoure doing this from ~/compiz/compiz?12:07
ikoniaif you reboot hibernation is lost12:07
Crozarrico: ~/compiz12:08
shiznitnot until you actuall start windows12:08
shiznittry it12:08
ricotry from ~/compiz/compiz12:08
ikoniashiznit I disagree12:08
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Crozari did type make uninstall compiz/compiz12:09
Crozarrico: and doesnt work same thing12:09
shiznitwell the windows screen said 'resuming" and a nfts3g dev said on the forum said it wont mount hivernated drives, i resumed windows and did a regular restart, and now i see my ntfs partittions12:09
ricocd ~/compiz/compiz; make uninstall12:09
ricoif that doesn't work, sorry i cant help you any more than that :/12:09
Crozarrico: -f '/usr/local/include/compiz/scale.h'12:10
Crozarrm: cannot remove `/usr/local/include/compiz/scale.h': Permission denied12:10
Crozarmake[1] : *** [uninstall-compizincludeHEADERS]  Error 112:10
Crozarmake[1] : Leaving directory `/home/abdulla/compiz/compiz/include12:10
Crozarrico:  i have more but didnt paste all12:10
ricoCrozar, sudo make uninstall12:10
Crozarrico:  i did sudo autoremove compiz-fusion12:10
Crozarrico: thats before!12:10
rico*shrug* weird12:11
Crozarrico: ok its removeing12:11
Crozarrico: what should i do next restart and use gusty's compiz built in?12:11
ricoI guess, restart X and verify that compiz is uninstalled and doesn't work12:12
Crozarrico:  after uninstall i still see the compiz icon which is exactly like the one in feisty12:12
ricoafter that, sudo apt-get install compiz emerald compiz-gnome compiz-plugins compizconfig-settings-manager12:12
Crozarrico: do i right click quit12:12
ricoi dont really know what icon is that...12:12
ricoare you talking about a desktop icon? systray icon? what is it?12:12
Crozarrico: its the blue one with a mounse pointer on it12:12
Crozarsystm tray12:13
ricoahh, yeah you can quit it i guess, then logoff and log back on12:13
ricoand see if it persists12:13
rico(it shouldn't)12:13
Crozarrico: sudo apt-get install compiz emerald compiz-gniomse and thsese stuff is a short of what i see in fyda's tutorial look here http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=198512:13
Crozarbrb i will restart X12:13
shiznitcompiz fusion works really well on intel gfx surprisingly12:14
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ricoCrozar, short of what?12:14
Crozarrico: i restarted ( ctrl + alt +backspace )12:15
Crozargot an error it says12:15
ricowell the rest are going to be installed anyway because of dependencies (e.g., libcompizconfig will be installed anyway if you install ccsm)12:15
ricoCrozar, did you 'make uninstall' from all directories (not just ~/compiz/compiz)?12:15
Crozarrico: i did fyda'12:15
ikoniaI would advise a clean install12:15
ikoniaso he's running a clean gusty build12:16
Crozarrico: what you mean each one i must do12:16
ricoyou also have to uninstall ccsm, fusion-icons, and the rest. actually I'm with ikonia on this one, a clean install is the way to go12:16
Crozarrico: but all my life i have been upgrading12:16
Crozari never knew such problem will occur after solving it in feisty12:16
ricowell there's ~/compiz/compiz, ~/compiz/plugins-extra, ~/compiz/bcop, etc12:16
Crozarok just give me a way to show the window panel12:16
Crozarontop of each window like irc for instance i dont see the maximize minmize and the ornage bar12:17
shiznitim running a clean gutsy and its great, when i upgraded my compiz-fusion feisty i had tons of bugs but that could have been automatix12:17
penguincentral_!automatix | shiznit12:17
ubotushiznit: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)12:17
ikoniashiznit compiz wasn't available for fesity, so thats probably why you could problems, coupled aith automatix12:18
shiznityes i found that out after i installed it12:18
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shiznitwell i had installed compiz-fusion myself12:18
penguincentral_don't forget, it's another 18 days left until the final gutsy release comes out...12:18
shizniti had looping popups after boot that would never go away even if i checked "dont show again"12:19
Crozarok i tried to go to system -> prefrencese -> appearance => visual effects when i clicked on them said Failed to execute child process " compiz" ( no such file or directory )12:19
ricothen you dont have compiz installed12:19
elkbuntuyou'll probably also find that compiz-fusion and automatix will be unkind to each other too, since compiz-fusion is closely related to the video drivers and require close synchronisation of version, and automatix messes around with video driver versions12:19
ricoCrozar did you install it (from repository) after removing it?12:20
Crozarhavent installed it yet12:20
shiznitikonia, i didnt know anything about ubuntu and i some guide said to install automatix becuse it makes it easier so i did, if i had known how easy apt-get is and that it break upgrading i wouldnt have done it12:20
Crozarwaiting for my command12:20
tichpresumably i did mess something up... synaptic doesn't get past the gtksu screen12:20
tichand outputs this: Error: No such file or directory.12:21
tichanyone have any ideas?12:21
ikoniatich the error message is pretty clean "there is no such file"12:21
tichah people on this forum do speak.12:21
Crozarrico how to get it back installing12:21
nanonymewhich forum?12:22
tichikonia, true that is pretty clear. what would the next step be?12:22
penguincentral_!pastebin | tich12:22
ubotutich: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)12:22
ikoniatich get the ile12:22
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Crozarnever mind i will bother formating later12:23
Crozarthis sucks people must be sensitive before going for an upgrade or soemthing12:23
tichhow would i undo an upgrade?12:23
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tichi have already disabled the repository that is causing the problem12:24
Crozaris theyr system restore?12:24
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ikoniatich apt-get update12:24
tichright thanks.12:24
shiznitcan evolution read gmail?12:25
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tichshiznit, yes12:26
shiznitok ty, ill see if i can get it set up12:26
tichif you google evolution and gmail you can find a couple pretty good howtos12:26
shiznitshould i install any kind of anti-virus on linux?12:26
XamDMpvandewyngaerde, i got it fixed the module fbcon was missing12:27
shiznitcause in xp i run an army of security programs lol12:27
ricoCrozar, so is compiz out of your system already? just apt-get install it again12:27
ricohe went out12:27
kingrayrayshiznit: if evolution doesn't work for you try Thunderbird, it is really easy to setup gmail with it12:27
Ngshiznit: generally no, there aren't anywhere near the number of malicious linux/unix things as there are on windows. some people still choose to scan their email and stuff to make sure they're not passing on windows viruses received from others12:27
shiznityea i would like to do that as well12:28
ikoniashiznit you want to do what ?12:28
shiznitset up antivirus12:28
ikoniasorry I missed part of the conversation12:28
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ikoniashiznit if your machine is behind a router, I wouldn't worry too much12:28
shiznitso i hear, but im still in windows mindset12:29
ikoniathen you need to stop that12:29
tichi have forgotten everything i should remember...  where is the source.list again?12:30
shiznitikonia, i would still like anti-virus to make sure i dont pass on anthing12:30
tichforget it i will look it up in the forums... sorry about the inane question.12:30
nurettinhello do you know free telnet server ?12:31
ikonianurettin in.telnetd is in most unix operatoring system12:31
ikoniaoperating systems12:31
nurettini want to connect to me from outside(internet12:32
ikonianurettin telinet is unwise due to security on the internet, invest a look in ssh12:32
jhaignurettin: For remote logins use ssh12:32
jhaigYou want to install openssh12:32
nurettini installed12:32
nurettini want test another thing.12:33
nurettini have installed mail server  when send e mail from outside to my mail server cant get12:34
nurettinbut when send mail from local mail to local mail is running12:34
nurettinfrom sibel@nurettinalp.com to nurettin@nurettinalp.com NOT PROBLEM12:35
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nurettinbut from kidalabama@gmail.com to nurettin@nurettinalp.com PROBLEM12:35
ikoniayour mail server is not setup correctly12:36
ikoniaerUSUL define "problem"12:36
nurettinyes what is configuration problem ?12:36
ricoXteven, you're probably after ubuntu-7.10-beta-desktop-i386. :)12:36
ikonianurettin you've not told us what mail server your using, what the setup is or told us the problem other than " a problem"12:36
TommyI just installed gutsy, and i did not install a boot loader. Now i want to add that gutsy to my grub menu.lst but i dont know what the entry should look like. Can someone please post a copy of their grub entry for gutsy?12:36
ricoTommy, our grub entries will most likely differ frmo yours12:37
nurettinpostfix dovecot12:37
ricoI mean, from what your system should have12:37
nurettinikonia: postfix dovecot12:37
Tommyrico: i was afraid of that12:37
shiznityea the desktop iso didnt install grub for me either12:37
ikonianurettin are you running gusty ?12:37
Tommycan i still see someones, to get an idea?12:37
ikonianurettin and what is the error/problem12:38
Tommyshiznit: i didnt install it on purpose12:38
Tommythe new gutsy beta12:38
Xtevenrico: thx12:38
Tommyanyone got an entry for gutsy beta then?12:38
nurettinikonia: from sibel@nurettinalp.com to nurettin@nurettinalp.com NOT PROBLEM12:39
nurettinikonia: but from kidalabama@gmail.com to nurettin@nurettinalp.com PROBLEM12:39
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ikoniadefine "problem"12:39
ikoniaerror ? bouncing ? what ?12:39
_dan_tommy see query i was too lazy for pastebin12:39
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nurettinikonia: i cant get mail from outside12:39
ikoniawhat error ?12:40
nurettinikonia: i dont know ?12:40
ikonianurettin are you on a static IP ?12:40
ikoniamay as well get the obvious out of the way first12:40
nurettinikonia:  no i have got dynamic ip12:40
ikonianurettin then don't waste your time setting up a mail server12:41
stefgHi, does anyone have a link for a gutsy netinst.iso ? Browsing through cdmage.ubuntu.com i can't find it...12:41
XeroI have succeeded in mounting a password protected SMB share. I now have 500GB+ of music on an 80GB hard disk.12:41
nurettinikonia: why ?12:41
ikoniaXero why are you telling us this12:41
ikonia<nurettin> ikonia: why ?12:41
ikonianurettin as most mail services won't send mail to dynamic ip addresses12:41
tichsynaptic won't start from the menu or from a desktop icon but if i input the same info from the launcher into a terminal it starts.  any idea why?12:41
XeroI don't know. I like to brag.12:41
nurettinikonia: have you got mail server ? can you send to my mail address nurettin@nurettinalp.com for testing.12:42
nurettinikonia: if your mail server accept to send dynamic ips.12:43
ikonianurettin no sorry, setting up mail service on dynamic ip addresses is pointless and normally only used for spam, so I'm not going to help on this. Mail servers on dynamic ip addresses are a waste of time12:43
nurettinikonia: if will buy static ip12:43
nurettinikonia: i will buy static ip12:44
ikoniasorry I'm not willing to discuss it any more as I feel you are wasting my time12:44
hyljeyou know better?12:44
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nurettinikonia: very thank you.12:44
ikoniahylje ?12:44
Tommy-im back, my computer froze. Sorry to anyone who may have replied to me12:45
Tommy-`i was asking about a gutsy beta menu.lst entry12:45
Tommy-if anyone has one i could borrow12:46
ikoniaTommy- copy your fesity one12:46
Tommy-typo, sorry. I was going to say that i tried that (and changed the kernel numbers and whatnot) but it didnt work. I was the ubuntu loading logo but it just hangs there forever12:47
Tommy-saw the logo*12:47
ikoniaTommy- then debug why it didn't work, as copying someone elses won't work12:47
shiznitanyone know how to make programs remember their positions after close, im getting tired of dragging firefox to where i want it12:48
Tommy-ikonia: i think its all this business of UUID's12:48
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ikoniaTommy- probably, so copying someone elses isn't going to help12:48
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Tommy-ikonia: what if instead of writing the UUID i just write root=/dev/hdfx. would that still run?12:49
ikoniaTommy- should do12:50
Tommy-ikonia: ok. Thanks for all your help :)12:50
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Zampaktuhi, i have a small problem with gutsy, and i wanted to check it with somebody before i file a buh on launchpad. i have a fresh gutsy installation with latest update. i am using a Sagem 760a usb  wifi adaptor. if i leave the adaptor connected and reboot, mymachine will take 20 minutes to boot. and the mouse will be slow until i am connected. does anybody know of some problem like this?12:56
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Zampaktuthe sagem is recognized by gutsy by default12:57
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JimQodeHello ppl. Has gutsy been released?01:03
daviscudev, NetworkManager and Xgl and hammering my machine since I upgraded to Gutsy (udevd in particular). Any suggestions on where to try and track it down?01:04
jhaigJimQode: There is a beta release out.01:05
jhaigJimQode: See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule01:06
JimQodejhaig, thanks. that was what i was looking for :)01:07
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mnkhi guys i'm trying to upgrade from feisty to gutsy but keep getting:01:22
mnkthat one of the files is not there01:22
hussainHi anyone can help with some sub hd troubkle shooting? When i plug in an usb harddisk , nothing happens. Doing fdisk -l doesnt show the device i.e. sdc something ???01:22
mnksome error like that01:22
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Eq|workhussain : anything in dmesg ?01:23
hussainnot anything that show erros01:23
Eq|workmnk : the file may literally not be there.01:23
mnkand sure enough when i wget that file it says file not found01:23
Eq|workhussain : what DOES dmesg say when you plug in the device?01:23
hussainill just try01:23
mnkyeah Eq|work but how do i upgrade?01:24
hussain2 sek01:24
rothchildhussain usb is broken afaikt01:24
Eq|workmnk : no idea. it's not final yet, so don't expect things to go perfectly.01:24
Eq|workrothchild : usb works fine for me01:25
mnkany way of forcing the upgrade?01:25
rothchildif you can see it with fdisk -l you can mount it with pmount-hal /dev/sdb*01:25
Eq|workrothchild : he said he /couldn't/ see it01:25
hussainit says this in dmesg ... http://pastebin.com/m64ac38601:26
rothchildusb is not broken but there are problems with automount01:26
rothchildsorry I misread01:26
Eq|work[  110.840000]  usb 2-8: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 701:26
Eq|work[  110.972000]  scsi 2:0:0:0: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recov01:26
Eq|workthose would be the problem01:26
hussainI cant see it with fdisk that is the problem01:26
Eq|worksomething about it is very unhappy01:26
mnkany way of forcing the upgrade? Eq|work01:26
elmargolwich scheduler does gutsy use?01:26
Eq|workyou can't see it because it's offlining the device01:26
Eq|workmnk : no idea.01:26
mnkanyone else?01:27
hussainOki so usb hd support is broken atm??01:27
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hussainirq 7: nobody cared (try booting with the "irqpoll" option)01:29
hussain[  287.064000] 01:29
hussainWoud that tip make any difference you think?01:30
hussainWoul d..01:30
ubotuLaunchpad bug 114777 in hal "My External hard disk Seagate doeasn't mount automaticly under Fiesty" [Undecided,New] 01:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 130367 in ubuntu "auto mount doesn't work for removable devices on Gusty tribe 3" [Undecided,Incomplete] 01:31
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DiThihas anyone have problems with konqueror and kopete with today's upgrade?01:35
kRushmy taskbar is not visible after login since yesterdays bunch of updates, I have to click where it sits to make it visible. anyone else having this?01:36
DiThikRush: kde or gnome?01:39
HobbseeDiThi: what problems?01:40
DiThiHobbsee: konqueror doesn't appear, kopete doesn't connect01:41
DiThiI click status - online, and nothing01:41
Hobbseesavvas: ping01:41
HobbseeDiThi: i know about kopete not connecting - but not why01:41
DiThiI tipe konqueror in terminal, nothing, as it were started but nothing appears01:41
HobbseeDiThi: does it happen if you remove networkstatus?01:42
DiThiknetworkmanager doesn't work either01:42
HobbseeDiThi: does ps aux | grep konq show anything useful then?01:42
HobbseeDiThi: right, so if knm isnt working, then kopete will usually bork.01:42
DiThioh, I didn't try to kill all instances01:42
DiThithere are 10 instances01:42
Hobbseeis this from an empty kde session, or a previously saved session?01:43
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Hobbsee(try killing the instances, and then starting konq)01:43
DiThisome from a previous session01:43
DiThikilled all, same result01:43
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Hobbseebut there's going to be a new upload of konq soon anyway01:44
DiThiknetworkmanager does the same as konqueror: nothing01:44
DiThiit doesn't even exit01:44
wersanyone here using stardict?01:44
werswhenever I put my mouse pointer on the definition window, it disappears01:44
wersit did not happen to me in feisty01:45
DiThiHobbsee: also kopete appeared to have lose the account settings01:45
DiThibut after opening it again, it had the accounts01:45
DiThibut doesn't connect01:45
HobbseeDiThi: i'd guess that's due to knm not working.  i suspect if you purged networkstatus (and knm in the process), and then did your network connection via dhclient, it would connect.01:46
DiThiHobbsee: I connected manually with iwconfig and dhclient01:46
Hobbseebut networkstatus still exists, and is workign on yoru system01:47
Hobbseealthough it should do something more useful than stop kopete connecting, i agree.01:47
Hobbseeat least, that's where i'd guess the problem is01:47
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shiznithello beta people01:48
delightanybody else here who experience problems with the applications-menu ? ... i got no entries (neither gnome or kde) in it left since some updates01:48
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kRushwhy would disabling avahi-deamon "possibly lead to data loss"?01:49
DiThidoes anyone have an ipw3945?01:49
DiThiI have problems when moving far from the access point, also when suspending01:50
DiThimost times I have to restart01:50
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DiThihas anyone noticed that since the upgrade, when a session starts, a cross appears as if you were selecting a window for snapshot?01:51
shiznitit doesnt bother me01:52
DiThiwhat's the cause?01:52
shiznitbut i would like to know stop the keyring popup for wireless01:52
delightanybody else here who experience problems with the applications-menu ? ... i got no entries (neither gnome or kde) in it left since some updates .. is there a command to recreate the applications-menu ?01:53
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DiThithere is an outdated repository so I can downgrade some packages from before yesterday's update?01:56
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gnomefreakDiThi: no but if apt-cache show <packagename> shows the older version that you want use sudo apt-get install bleh=versionnumbers01:58
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savvasHobbsee: you're doing your monthly round of bug reports? :)01:59
shiznitcan someone help me with a internet radio stream?01:59
ikoniawhats the problem01:59
gnomefreakDiThi: you can also look in /var/cache/apt/archives01:59
DiThignomefreak: I already do that, and no luck01:59
ajvhi all, I am trying to install 7.10 desktop but it seems to hang while importing documents and settings. Any Ideas ?01:59
gnomefreakthan no you are stuck01:59
Hobbseesavvas: nah - i tend to look a bit more often than taht01:59
shiznitikonia, does http://www.dc101.com/cc-common/streaming_new/index.html?refreshed=yes play for you02:00
kurrosthey would still be on archive.ubuntu.com02:00
ubuntu_daveajv: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=563061 is your answer prob02:00
shiznitthe media player never starts02:00
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ajvthanks ubuntu_dave, checking it out now02:00
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gnomefreakkurros: if show diesnt show it than they had cleaned it out with newer upload02:00
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Hobbseesavvas: gimp data will be fixed soon.02:01
savvasHobbsee: ok thanks for your help, I'll post the output if it's any help02:02
Hobbseesavvas: it's OK - we've found the problem02:02
Hobbsee(the other guy's output worked, and then i saw my own mirror had it too)02:02
gnomefreakDiThi: only other way is to find a .deb from internet somewhere and install it (this is not normally the best idea)02:02
gnomefreakDiThi: what is wrong with the updates yesterday?02:03
savvasah, oops02:03
HobbseeDiThi: yeah, we'v'e noticed that - nfi what it is02:03
DiThignomefreak: that's a nightmare when there are a lot of dependent packages02:04
gnomefreakDiThi: i know thats why i said its not best idea but if you tell us what is wrong maybe we can help02:05
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shiznitfor some reason i cant connect to my wireless network if i dont broadcast the ssid02:06
shizniti type everything in correctly but it wont resolve02:07
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gnomefreakok bbl time for meeting #1 :(02:07
savvasHobbsee: I forgot to mention I'm using amd64, but I guess that will be out in a day or two as well02:07
Hobbseesavvas: gimp-data is arch-any, so ends up building on i386.02:08
philis the 'places' menu supposed to have two entries for 'Desktop'??? (ex. Home Folder, Desktop, Documents, Pictures, Music, Videos, Desktop))02:08
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Hobbseeso the only ones of you who will have hit that will be !i386 users02:08
savvasoh ok02:10
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sonoftheclayrHow safe is it to upgrade to gutsy using the command line?02:18
savvaswhat command line?02:18
_dan_worked for me02:18
nanonymeworked for me too02:18
sonoftheclayrCool, so that's just apt-get dist-upgrade?02:19
sonoftheclayrThank you02:19
_dan_u have to modify sources.list manually tho02:19
savvasdoes anyone know a package or application similar to "srs wow effect" in windows for sound improvement?02:19
sonoftheclayrI can do that easy, I just have to replace feisty with gutsy02:19
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_dan_i suggest you upgrade via update-manager, does some add/remove stuff your u02:20
nanonymei think keywords "stable, testing" might work too but it's a bit dangerous since then you might upgrade by accident02:20
sonoftheclayrYes well I had the distribution upgrade tool crash on me before and I spent about 3 hours waiting for my backup to copy over a USB 1 cable02:21
_dan_you dont need to backup anything when it crashed02:21
ajvubuntu_dave, thanks that worked like a charm.02:21
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ubuntu_daveajv:  nps02:22
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ApexAre sound events currently broken in Gutsy? (Gnome)02:24
pwuertzApex: it looks like they are finally killing esd02:24
ApexI can play test sounds under preferences > sounds, but no sound when activating real time events.02:25
penguincentralcan anyone tell me how to clear out the list of the last 5 videos watched in totem?02:25
ApexAh ok02:25
pwuertzApex: but Im not sure about that02:25
ubuntu_davepenguincentral: places > recent docu' > clear recent02:25
pwuertzApex: its just that i'm getting error messages when running gedit as root.... like "command esd not found"02:25
penguincentralthanks ubuntu_dave!02:25
Apexpwuertz, Killing meaning switching to pulseaudio?02:26
pwuertzApex: in my opinion you don't need any framework besides alsa02:26
pwuertzcan anyone confirm this?02:26
ubotuLaunchpad bug 129029 in dell "[Gutsy Tribe-5]  No Sound on Login Screen or during Login" [High,Confirmed] 02:27
ApexLooks like it's confirmed02:27
ikoniais that dell hardware specific or a certain sound chipset02:27
ubuntu_davesound can be enabled for login/during login02:27
ubuntu_davethrough settings, i forget where exactly02:28
ubuntu_daveit's just not enabled by default02:28
ApexLogin Window02:28
ApexThat's works sporadically02:28
ikoniabut is it chipset related or something thats specific to dell hardware config02:28
pwuertzApex: hm... got that bug too... but not a dell system02:29
ApexI don't have a Dell either02:29
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pwuertzhowever.. this doesn't tell us about the future of "esd"02:30
Trewasthere is certainly no absolute need for a sound daemon, but many cards only play one sound at the same time without a daemon02:30
DiThiTrewas: alsa uses dmix by default if the card doesn't support hardware mixing02:31
pwuertzTrewas: yea... the lack of hardware mixing should be fixed by a proper driver implementation02:31
pwuertzTrewas: like dmix02:31
ApexWell, this will be be a pretty big bug especially new user from Windows who will enjoy those sound events02:31
pwuertzalthough I don't understand why software mixing is not built-in into alsa02:32
Trewasdmix is a very long way from "proper" implementation, does not like sounds with different sampling rates and does not work at all if some app uses oss emulation02:32
DiThialsa with dmix works for me very well out of the box02:32
DiThiin several computers with different soundcards02:32
shiznithow do i take desktop screenshot, sorry about noob question02:32
DiThithe problem I have is when I want to use JACK02:33
pwuertzdmix is a solution.. but I agree... its far from complete.. there are alot of applications with broken sound02:33
ApexDiThi, you are getting boing, click, beep, sounds etc.?02:33
DiThiwhy the hell in ubuntu apps like mplayer doesn't have jack support compiled in???02:33
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DiThipwuertz: there are apps with broken alsa support which are not very plugin-firendly02:34
DiThithere are also OSS apps that can't use dmix i think02:34
DiThievery sound app should have alsa and jack support compiled in02:34
DiThiwhere available02:34
DiThiI'm a bit upset with it, I can't use mplayer while I'm using jack02:35
pwuertzwhen people realized that the OSS should be replaced with a new audio driver model... why didn't they just implement proper software mixing right into alsa... I just don't get it02:35
DiThior amarok or xine, but those I got them working with alsa-jack plugin02:35
DiThibtw, the alsa-jack plugin IS NOT IN UBUNTU!02:35
DiThii got it from the libasound2 from debian02:36
pwuertzDiThi: maybe thats bedause some guys started working on some multimedia ubuntu version02:36
DiThiI mean, libasound2-plugins02:36
Trewaspwuertz: the official reason is that a proper implementation would require the mixing/sampling rate conversion to be inside the kernel which is a big no-no, so they do those via a library which does not work so reliably02:37
pwuertzTrewas: ah, thanks!02:37
DiThipwuertz: I got the package from debian some months ago02:38
DiThiand it's still not in ubuntu02:38
DiThiwell, it's in ubuntu but without jack support02:38
pwuertzthat must be hard... getting up-to-date packages from debian-stable ;)02:38
DiThiif ubuntustudio wants to be useful for sound, packages such libxine, mplayer and libasound-plugins should be compiled with jack support02:39
DiThipwuertz: I'm comparing packages with the same version as ubuntu02:39
DiThijack support is already in the apps sources02:39
pwuertzwhy are you using jack again? real time applications?02:40
DiThipwuertz: yeah, ardour, qsynth, zynaddsubfx02:40
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DiThihydrogen, jack-rack, jamin, rosegarden02:41
DiThiand sometimes I want to play music02:42
pwuertzwhich doesnt work because jackd highjacks the raw alsa device...02:42
DiThithe only way to do it without stopping jack was alsaplayer with jack frontend02:43
DiThiuntil I came with the alsa-jack plugin02:43
DiThijack dosen't play with dmix02:43
DiThialso I want to connect the player to other things02:43
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sonoftheclayrIs gutsy faster than feisty like it was over edgy?02:44
bibehi all. I have just installed Gutsy Gibbon beta from scratch on my laptop. I sent a test email with "echo test |mail -s test <myaccount>" and I can see the /var/mail/<myaccount> mbox, and read it using mutt. When configuring the default Evolution mail account as a "Local delivery" account, I can browse to /var/mail but I see the <myaccount> file (and all other files on my system) as disabled, thus I can't check my mail. Any ideas, please?02:44
pwuertzsonoftheclayr: faster in which way?02:45
sonoftheclayrpwuertz: In X feisty was just faster than edgy02:45
gerrosonoftheclayr: I do recall there were many improvements in edgy over dapper such as boot up sequence and mounting things02:45
gerrosonoftheclayr: don't know anything about X adjustments though02:46
sonoftheclayrSo unlike other operating systems (Windows *cough* *cough*) Ubuntu gets faster02:46
pwuertzsonoftheclayr: didn't realize any significant performance differences between edgy/feisty/gutsy02:46
sonoftheclayrpwuertz: I did, it was great! Everything loaded a couple of seconds faster02:47
pwuertznaa.... they tried to implement a new init system in edgy/feisty (upstart)... but they failed... I think development has stalled02:47
gerroso that was never added in?02:48
gerroI was wondering about using initg on my system02:48
gerroinitng I mean sorry02:48
ikoniagerro could cause you pain02:48
ikoniagerro as all the scripts are aimed at upstart02:48
pwuertzgerro: it has been added... but its actually the same system... just with another name02:48
Hobbseepwuertz: failed?  no, it was added in.02:48
ikoniapwuertz there are a few differences02:48
Hobbseeit's going slowly, but it's still moving.02:48
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bintuthello all..02:49
pwuertznone of the improvements they planned for upstart have been implemented02:49
penguincentral!hi | bintut02:49
ubotubintut: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!02:49
ikoniaHobbsee so initng will be an official init system at some point02:49
ikoniaHobbsee or an official available option I should say02:49
Hobbseeikonia: uh, no.  where did i say that?02:49
ikoniaHobbsee perhaps I missunderstood, so it will just be a package in the repo02:49
Hobbseeikonia: i was talking about upstart.02:49
bintuthow can i create a usb installer for gutsby?02:49
gerroikonia: upstart and initng are different..02:49
Hobbseeinitng is already a package in ubuntu, iirc02:50
ikoniaI thought you where saying initng is moving - slowly02:50
bintuti don't have a cd-drive so i have to install ubuntu using a usb flash drive02:50
Hobbseeikonia: no.02:50
ikoniamy fault, missunderstood a half conversation02:50
gerroHobbsee: where could I read up more on pros/cons of using initng on ubuntu?02:50
ikoniagerro the initng has some good info on it02:50
ikoniagerro once you understand how it works you can work out the differences it will cause in your ubuntu system02:51
pwuertzHobbsee: right... you got a init system called "upstart"... but its basically the same old init system... you don't have parallel startup... you don't know if a daemon is running or not...02:51
gerroHobbsee: I was looking for fast boot up and hibernating setup for my laptop02:51
Hobbseepwuertz: true - at the moment.  it's being done in stages.02:51
Hobbseegerro: google would be a good start, i suspect.  idont know any closer than that02:51
ikoniagerro upstart is pretty handy02:51
gerropwuertz: what do you mean by parallel startup?02:51
pwuertznone of the targeted  features were implemented... and it's like a year ago02:51
pwuertzthey managed to reimplement init ;)02:52
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ikoniagerro CLFS did a good bit of research work on initng/sysVinit and depinit and the diggerences where not massive02:52
Hobbseepwuertz: you will believe what you wish to believe, i see.02:52
ikoniagerro initng was quicker, but less reliable at error handling within the scripts02:52
panosruHi, i installed firefox32 bit but the fonts are too big!02:52
panosrunot the fonts of the content but the fonts of the browser02:52
Hobbseepwuertz: i'd suggest reading keybuk's blog sometime.02:52
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gerroI'm just totally confused seeing as most the documentation about setting up initng is related to breezy which is very old news02:52
pwuertzgerro: that means you can start the network and sound subsystem at the same time... without having to wait for one process to finish02:52
ikoniagerro probably the last time someone implimented initng as a serious option on ubuntu02:53
gerropwuertz: long as I don't end up hearing my network card starting that would be fine02:53
ikoniaso its the last time the docs got updated02:53
gerrobut its still a fesible idea right?02:54
ikoniagerro possible, yes, worth the effort / support - probably not02:54
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pwuertzHobbsee: na... I'm just a little upset about people jumping around "yey, we are having that cool new upstart bootup thingie which is faster and better than anything else"... "no its not, its no different than plain ol init right now"02:54
ikoniapwuertz its quite different to sysVinit02:55
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Hobbseepwuertz: it is slightly faster, it seems.  but the real speed increases havent come in yet02:55
Hobbseepwuertz: unfortunately, what comes from devland, and what users assume to be the case can be quite different.02:55
gerroso.... apt-get install initng and hope my system don't die?02:55
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ikoniagerro no - its not that simple, or at least shouldn't be02:55
gerrotried checking initng ubuntu forum but there only 5 posts and site gives me browser errors :/02:58
ikoniagerro I really think you'll find it not worth the effort to change02:59
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gerrothis article sounds good "installing initng won't mess up the old init systems and you can easily go back when initng doesn't suit you or if it doesn't work." http://www.masuran.org/node/8403:00
ikoniagerro you need something thats ubuntu specific as ubuntu uses upstart - not sysVinit as most others do03:01
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bintutis it possible to install ubuntu gutsy through network?03:07
bintutjust like using the netinst in debian?03:07
gerroI tried that once03:07
gerroapparently if you use the netinst procedure of debian you can redirect it to install ubuntu at some point03:08
gerroI was using the floppy method for netinst debian though03:08
gerroI gave up on it though and uses instlux since laptop I was using at time had broken cdrom drive03:08
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DiThiI'm back03:09
bintutgerro: in my case, i don't have a cd-rom drive03:09
DiThiwithout wifi03:09
gerrogot a 4gb flash drive been working with setting up ubuntu on03:09
bintutgerro: i have here a 256mb ram usb flash drive03:10
gerrobintut: your best choice is the flash drive approach or instlux if you want to use dapper03:10
gerrobintut: try setting up a minimal ubuntu install on that 256mb drive, then just apt-get install the desktop environment of your choice, login manager, and xserver-xorg03:11
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ApexNice ,fixed the sound events issue just by installing pulseaudio03:11
ApexVery nice03:11
gerroApex: what is pulseaudio?03:12
DiThiwow, kopete and konqueror works again03:12
DiThibut no wifi =_=03:12
bintutgerro: yeah, i'll be doing that.. but, i'm looking for a minimal iso ubuntu image because i'm following this procedure => http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en03:13
bintutgerro: and all the iso images that i found are greater than 500mb of size03:13
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gerrohttp://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download 7.04 there, I suggest the x86 version03:14
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gerrohmm 492mb.. you might consider getting a new usb drive, they aren't that costly03:15
gerrobintut: a 1gb one would suit all your needs really03:15
bintutgerro: actually, i have here a 1gb usb flash drive but it contains personal files.. my last option is to copy the files inside the 1gb usb flash drive to some location and format my usb flash drive03:17
gerrobintut: you could try finding an online file server03:17
bintutgerro: i have some space here on my laptop03:17
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gerrobintut: okay well try that then03:18
gerrobintut: because I think you have to do some sort of uncompression so it ends up being an even larger file, guide recommended I use 1gb usb drive at least03:18
bintutgerro: yeah..03:18
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natsumehi, just try install gutsy few days ago, but i facing a problem where my application menu bar is not working ?03:21
natsumeanybody know how to fix it ?03:21
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schnoodleshello will gutsy have better sata controller support, as the previous ubuntu didnt seem to pick up my sata drive :\03:22
LjLschnoodles: different kernel, so maybe. you could try the live cd.03:22
schnoodleswell 7.04 didnt find my sata drive, so i couldnt install it03:22
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savvasschnoodles: motherboard brand and model ?03:26
natsumei wonder how to upgrade from tribe5 to beta release ?03:26
savvasnatsume: alt-F2 and type: update-manager -d03:27
stefgnatsume: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade03:27
natsumeno updates03:27
savvasthen you already did :)03:27
natsumebut when i check /etc/issue03:27
natsumestill development branch03:27
stefgwhich is still true03:28
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savvasbecause it's still under development03:28
savvasnatsume: /topic03:28
natsumeso that means this bug still not fix ;)03:28
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natsumemy menu application cannot be view03:28
stefgnatsume: this is why i gave you the !gutsy factoid .-)03:28
JimQodehello. is anyone using gutsy beta on virtualbox? X refuses to run with vbox drivers for me03:28
savvasnatsume: what menu application?03:29
gerroJimQode: you compiled virtualbox for gutsy?03:29
natsumeon top03:29
natsumemenu on top03:29
natsumecannot be open03:29
JimQodegerro, no i'm running gutsy inside virtualbox03:29
natsumeand when i click on logout menu, my pc hung03:30
savvasJimQode: #vbox03:30
gerroJimQode: oh which OS you using to run vbox?03:30
JimQodegerro, ubuntu feisty03:30
savvassadly enough, virtualbox has problems running a lot of operating systems :\03:31
gerronatsume: ctrl alt f2 and see if you can login there check ps aux | less and dmesg see if any errors or odd status03:31
penguincentrali don't like vbox, and i couldn't get vmware server to install properly03:31
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delightnatsume: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-menus/+bug/14688303:32
ubotuLaunchpad bug 146883 in gnome-menus "application menu is empty" [Undecided,Confirmed] 03:32
gerropenguincentral: iMac + parallels is just dual booting, why not use grub for that?03:32
penguincentralgerro: u sure?03:33
natsumenothing happen ;)03:33
stefggerro: you're confusing that with bootcamp03:33
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magzillaCan anyone help me with a problem I've had since I upgraded to the Beta? When X starts I get a blank screen03:37
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LjLmagzilla: a blank *X* screen?03:39
LjLnot terminal?03:39
magzillaLjL: yes03:39
magzillaif I press Ctrl Alt F1 I get terminal03:39
LjLmagzilla: you actually mean just after starting X, or after trying to log in?03:39
magzillajust after starting X, I don't see a GUI log in screen03:40
LjLmagzilla: what happens if you type 'startx' after logging in from terminal?03:40
magzillaI just got a fatal server error03:41
magzillaServer is already active for display 003:41
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natsumenot working03:46
natsumeha ha ha03:46
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magzillaYeah I'd say so03:47
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magzillaLjL: It also says if this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again03:49
werswhere in gconf can I change font dpi?03:49
LjLmagzilla: try again after doing  sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop 03:49
wersgnome-appearance-properties keeps crashing on me03:49
magzillaLjL: Ok, now when I do startx the screen flashed off then back on to a blank black screen03:50
LjLmagzilla: pastebin the contents of /var/log/Xorg.0.log03:51
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LjLmagzilla: (you can use a browser such as w3m)03:51
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LaibschSince switching to gutsy my locales are messed up.  I have set LANG=de_DE.UTF-8, LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8 and LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8 in /etc/environment.03:53
LjLmagzilla: or the 'pastebinit' package, might be easier03:53
LaibschThe menus are still in German.  I searched through /etc and the dot-files in ~/ and found nothing that would explain this.03:53
magzillahrm do I need to go into terminal to do that?03:53
LjLmagzilla: yes, of course03:54
LjLmagzilla: 1) sudo apt-get install pastebinit03:54
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magzillaOk got it installed03:55
LjLmagzilla: 2) cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit -b http://pastebin.com03:55
LjLmagzilla: give me the URL that is output03:55
LjLmagzilla: uhm, it does seem to start correctly. try  X :0  and see if you get a *steady* blank screen that doesn't go away03:58
LjLactually, make that  sudo X :0 03:58
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magzillaLjL: I did that command and it does the same thing - blank screen03:59
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LjLmagzilla: ok, is the ubuntu-desktop package installed? ( apt-cache policy ubuntu-desktop )04:00
LjLor make that kubuntu-desktop if you're using kubuntu04:00
magzillaLjL: Yes it says installed: 1.7404:00
LjLmagzilla: there is 1.75 available, try a  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade 04:01
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natsumenot working04:02
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LjLuhm, must be a funny bug04:03
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seisenhow do you get the cube enabled in gutsy04:03
magzillaLjL: download/installing now04:03
seisenI selected it in desktop effects but nothing04:04
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LjLmagzilla: when it's finished, try a  sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart . if you're lucky, maybe the bug's been fixed.04:04
natsumepoor magzilla04:05
magzilla7.04 worked ok lol04:05
natsumeof course04:05
natsumebecause it stable realease04:05
shiznitwireless after hibernate works now04:05
shiznitim glad i upgraded04:06
LjLmagzilla, 7.04 is a stable release, 7.10 is not. it's not supposed to be used unless you are *prepared* to see breakage, and fix it, and report bugs.04:06
magzillaLjL: Still a blank screen04:06
seisenhas anybody got the cube to work with desktop effects?04:06
natsumenot yet04:07
magzillaLjL: Yes, I understand04:07
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LjLmagzilla: try creating a new user.  sudo adduser testuser 04:07
dmngAre there current issues with Xorg? Just upgraded on my laptop and it seems like it's in an endless loop between switching from graphics to text mode...04:07
natsumecoz i dont dare to get crash since i have to used my pc rite now04:07
shiznitwhats wrong with the cube?04:07
seisenit won't even come up.04:07
shizniti just tried and it works'04:07
seisenits an intel card04:07
shiznitdid you enable rotate cube04:08
shiznitmine is intel too04:08
LjLmagzilla: answer the questions (you can leave everything blank, just give it a password), then type  sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop, then log in as that user in another terminal, and type  startx  from there04:08
natsumei wondering04:08
natsumeis there any tutorial to skinning my ubuntu to look like mac ;))04:08
seisenits enabled now and it doesn't even come up04:08
seisenif I hit ctrl+alt+left or right key I get nothing04:09
magzillaLjL: in another terminal?04:09
seisendo I need to edit xorg.conf04:09
shiznitno idea04:09
shiznitim noob04:09
seisenso it just worked for you then04:09
seisenyou just enabled it in desktop effects?04:10
shiznitits always worked04:10
MTecknologyIf I needed u2swap and such for 7.04, will i probably need to use it in 7.10?04:10
shizniti enable it with the compiz config manager04:10
magzillaLjL: after creating the new user account, I typed exit and went back to the login screen on terminal, logged in as the new user and did startx04:11
LjLmagzilla: the  sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop  must be in the same terminal, the  startx  must be in *another* terminal, where you login as the "testuser" user04:11
LjLmagzilla: make sure gdm is stopped04:11
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magzillaYes its stopped04:12
LjLmagzilla: i assume it's still a blank screen then?04:12
magzillaLjL: Yes04:12
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seisenthe windows wobble but no cube04:12
seisenits enabled in compiz config manager04:13
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shiznittry asking in the compiz channel maybe04:14
dmngIs it possible to downgrade back to fiesty (from gutsy) by simply changing sources.list?04:14
seisenwhich is what #compiz04:14
Hobbseedmng: no.  do a clean install.04:14
LjLmagzilla: try this from your old user.  sudo invoke-rc.d gdm stop ; sudo X :0 ; DISPLAY=:0 gnome-terminal 04:14
dmngie from a live CD right?04:14
LjLmagzilla: see if a terminal comes up on the otherwise blank screen04:14
Hobbseedmng: yeah, or an alternate cd of feisty.04:15
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dmngOk thanks, just asking because I swapped my drive bay for an extra battery and I can't find the drive now ;)04:15
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magzillaLjL: X started, blank screen, additional terminal window is not visible04:16
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LjLmagzilla: from the terminal, type again  DISPLAY=:0 gnome-terminal , what does it say?04:18
natsumemaybe can help u04:18
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magzillaLjL: (gnome-terminal:19679): Gtk-WARNING **:cannot open display:04:20
LjLmagzilla: you haven't killed the blank X screen, have you?04:20
magzillaLjL: I did ctrl alt backspace04:20
LjLmagzilla: oh, try with it running. do  X :0 &  first04:21
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LjLthen do  DISPLAY=:0 gnome-terminal 04:21
magzillaok I did sudo X :0& and it went to the blank screen04:22
LjLok, go back to the terminal04:22
LjLbut *without* doing ctrl+alt+backspace04:22
LjLjust ctrl+alt+f#04:22
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magzillaah ok04:22
LjLthen  DISPLAY=:0 gnome-terminal 04:22
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toresbeI've got a weird problem with /dev/mapper/*. They seem to all be symlinks to themselves.04:23
LjLmagzilla: then go back to X with ctrl+alt+f7, and see if the terminal is there04:23
LjLi don't have a /dev/mapper directory04:23
magzillaLjL: it says /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found04:23
NightBirdok, it's not loading the usb device I just inserted... what do I need to do to be able to open it?(it's a usb thumb drive)04:23
toresbeLjL: I think it's an LVM-only thing04:24
LjLmagzilla: and then goes back to the shell prompt?04:24
LjLtoresbe: i see04:24
NightBirddmesg shows that the kernel recognises that it's been inserted04:24
toresbeanyway, when I use /dev/sdb1 I get even weirder problems.04:24
magzillaLjL: I have a blinking cursor but no shell prompt04:24
LjLmagzilla: ok, then ctrl+alt+f7 and see if the terminal is on your X screen04:24
magzillaLjL: Now I have a blank screen with blinking cursor at top04:25
toresbeLjL: http://nopaste.org/p/aKinluP504:25
LjLmagzilla: uhm, that's certainly not your X screen. perhaps it's somewhere else - ctrl+alt+f8, or ctrl+alt+f9.... you're *sure* you didn't kill X this time?04:26
NightBirdmagzilla: how many lines does this command print out: "ps aux | grep X"04:26
magzillaLjL:  Ok ctrl alt f9 is the blank X screen - no terminal window inside it visible though04:26
LjLtoresbe: it's an interesting behavior no doubts, but i don't have a clue what to try in order to fix it :)04:26
toresbeLjL: any hints?04:27
toresbeI mean, uh, any hints for where I could go with this?04:27
NightBirdLjL: you are the popular one today04:27
LjLtoresbe: no, i've never seen something like that i think. only hint is, go to http://bugs.ubuntu.com and report a bug if it's not there already04:27
LjLmagzilla: now that's kind of weird. you don't have Xgl installed, i assume (your Xorg log would hint to "no" anyway)04:29
magzillaLjL: I have not consciously installed it, no04:29
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LjLtoresbe: these are all the reports that contain that error: http://tinyurl.com/29h2jg - at first sight, no one seems very relevant to your problem, look at them though. if you agree that they're not relevant, report a new bug. give the details that you've just given to me, including the paste, and perhaps also give the output of "mount" and "fdisk -l /dev/sdb"04:31
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toresbeLjL: thanks. I've taken it up in #-devel, and I'm reporting a bug.04:31
LjLmagzilla: ps aux | grep X    - give me the output04:32
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MTecknologyIs there any more work being done on sleep/hibernate or is it time for me to get u2swap working?04:33
magzillaLjL: avahi 5557 0.0 0.2 2736 1380 ?  Ss 09:33 0:00 avahi-daemon:running [Pixie.local] 04:33
MTecknologys2ram & s2disk **04:33
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LjLmagzilla, grep X, uppercase X04:33
magzillaLjL: maggie 19753 0.0 0.1 2976 752 tty1 R+ 10:32 0:00 grep X04:34
LjLbut there's no uppercase X in the first line...04:34
magzillaLjL: thats what it gave me lol04:34
LjLmagzilla: so it appears that X is *not* running. but do you still have that blank X screen on ctrl+alt+f9 or whatever?04:34
magzillaLjL: yes, maybe its not X?04:35
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LjLmagzilla: maybe. but you're certainly saying it's different from a terminal? what exactly does it look like? color? do you have a mouse cursor there?04:35
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dmngIt is just a blinking cursor in the upper left of the screen?04:36
magzillaLjL: no mouse cursor, all black screen with flashing cursor at top left corner04:36
dmngBecause that's what I'm getting also =/04:36
LjLmagzilla: ah but that's not X, as i said before... that's *all* you ever got?04:36
magzillaLjL: no, when I startx I get a blank screen - no cursor04:37
LjLmagzilla: blank as in "black"?04:37
foxiness_hi ubuntu see the access point secure "need key" when it is not needed "open" ,if i want to send this like a bug "if this a bug" what info needed by ubuntu team?04:37
magzillaLjL: yes... well it could be a very dark blue.. but you can def see the back lighting coming through on my LCD screen04:37
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LjLmagzilla: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | pastebinit -b http://pastebin.com04:38
LjLgimme output04:38
mikedep333hey, what's the best way to scan my evolution email for viruses (either for evolution specifically or for all POP3/SMTP mail?)04:38
mikedep333I see that there is clamav-milter04:39
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mikedep333which works with sendmail04:39
mikedep333does evolution use sendmail?04:39
LjLmikedep333: klamav works with evolution04:39
LjLat least so it klaims04:39
magzillaLjL: no such file or directory.. I think I deleted it following some tips on the debugging webpage04:39
LjLduh, then of course it doesn't start :)04:40
LjLmagzilla:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg 04:40
mikedep333lol, Kthanks04:40
LjLdmng: what about you, do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?04:40
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dmngI am getting a backtrace actually when I startx04:40
LjLdmng: ouch, that doesn't sound good04:41
dmngInconsistency detected by ld.so ...04:41
LjLdmng: have you done a  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  to make sure you have the latest version of everything?04:41
dmngyep, I actually use aptitude, same thing right?04:41
LjLdmng: like this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/12889104:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 128891 in xorg "inconsistency detected by ld.so" [Undecided,Invalid] 04:42
magzillaLjL: I accepted all the defaults and same problem when I startx04:42
LjLmagzilla: now you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf though i hope?04:42
magzillaLjL: yep04:43
LjLmagzilla: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | pastebinit -b http://pastebin.com04:43
LjL(yes, the same as you did before)04:43
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dmngYep LjL, that's what I am getting04:44
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sacaterMy Ubuntu Gutsy tribe 5 on my laptop gives me 'Failed to mount "Earth"', you are not privileged to mount the volume "Earth", earth is my memory device. None of my memory sticks work on my laptop, the laptop always gives this sort of message04:44
magzillaLjL: http://pastebin.com/faf2e104:45
LjLdmng: then 1) change your APT mirrors to archive.ubuntu.com in sources.list, since that's the most updated repository 2) run  sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  to make very sure you have the very latest versions of stuff 3) if the problem still occurs, reopen that bug report (by clicking on "Status" and changing it) and add a comment, giving your stack trace04:46
avatar_sacater: try changing youre username to 'atlas'04:46
dmngok thanks LjL04:47
dmngI already did those things so I guess it's still an issue04:47
LjLmagzilla: do the same with /etc/X11/xorg.conf04:48
LjLdmng: won't hurt to do it again, there are packages that were uploaded within the last 10 minutes or so04:48
dmngyep I saw it was downloading some, but dist-upgrade did nothing...04:49
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LjLdmng: then report the bug04:49
magzillaLjL: http://pastebin.com/f19d4ee8204:49
elmargolToday I installed gutsy on a second partition. Now I can't use alsa anymore :( I have to use OSS04:49
elmargolAny Ideas?04:49
LjLdmng: of course you don't have any third party repositories enabled?04:49
elmargol01:08.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)04:49
dmngNope LjL04:50
LjLmagzilla: where it says Driver   "ati", change that to "vesa", and see if it then works (by doing, as usual,  sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart )04:50
LjLmagzilla: you can use  sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf  to edit the file04:50
dmngThey mention in that thread that downgrading xorg fixed it in the meantime, how would I do that?04:51
LjLdmng: sudo apt-get install packagename=versionnumber  -  you'll probably need to have the Feisty repositories in your sources.list for that to work.04:52
LjLpost your current stacktrace first, though04:52
sacateravatar_: what will that achieve04:52
LjLdmng: you can use the 'pastebinit' package to post it to a paste site, since you can't just copy it in X04:52
magzillaLjL:  that worked!04:53
LjLstartx 2>&1 | pastebinit04:53
LjLmagzilla: ok, but now you're using a very un-accelerated video driver04:53
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dmngcool thanks for the tip04:53
magzillaLjL: Yeah, I have a couple of applet errors04:53
LjLmagzilla: you could probably try installing the proprietary ATI driver (if you don't have an issue with the proprietariness)04:53
LjLapplet errors?04:53
magzillaLjL: panel encountered problem while loading OAFIID:GNOME_MixerApplet and OAFIID:GNOME_Panel_TrashApplet04:54
LjLuhm, not sure that's related with the video problems though04:55
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dmngdo I need to give pastebinit a URL?04:55
magzillamaybe not, but it came up when i logged in04:55
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LjLdmng: probably. try    | pastebinit -b http://pastebin.com04:56
avatar_sacater: atlas has some experience with earth (search wikipedia for atlas mythogie)04:57
LjLmagzilla, i'm not very familiar with the proprietary ATI drivers, but in short it should be  sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx , then  sudo depmod -a , then edit xorg.conf again and change "vesa" into "fglrx", and if that fails, follow the instructions for *Edgy* at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI04:57
dmngcool thanks LjL, this look right? http://pastebin.com/f31c7c0eb04:58
magzillaLjL: I will try it out, thanks for your help!04:58
LjLdmng: well, no, it looks... very wrong ;) but yes, it looks right. make sure you also give them 1) your graphics card model 2) the driver you're using ( grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf )05:00
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yeniklasorrI have upgraded to Gutsy Gubbon. I have a problem with sound (alsa installed). What can I do05:05
edulixwhere can I find gutsy in CD? why is it distributed in DVDs?05:05
edulixit takes 3 hours to download using a 300kb/s  connection :(05:06
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stdinedulix: http://releases.ubuntu.com/gutsy/ ?05:07
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edulixstdin: uhm thanks05:09
natsumeahhh my isp sucks, doest not support channel bonding05:10
Evanlecwill there be a gutsy DVD release?05:10
Evanlecwhats on the DVD thats not on the CD?05:10
TheInfinitylooots of packages05:10
Evanlecfor offline installs maybe?05:11
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TheInfinityif you have internet access the cd is the better choice05:11
Evanlecyea thats sorta what i thot05:11
ubotuFor playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs05:11
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stdinEvanlec: you can already get a Gutsy DVD05:12
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Evanlecstdin, but why? ;p05:13
hjmillshi - I noticed desktop effects was enabled after the last update I did - is it stable enough for everyday usage yet?05:13
stdinbecause it's released like the CD image, for each Tribe and Beta05:13
Evanlecbut thats a big download for a beta project05:14
Evanlechjmills, yes..05:14
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hjmillsEvanlec, so there won't be lots of crashes and it will look nice and pretty?05:15
Evanlechjmills, they wouldnt have included it by default if it was unstable05:16
hjmillsEvanlec, ok, thanks - I'll give it a go05:16
MTecknologyidk if i can stay awake to finish this class05:17
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savvaswhere is the "open with" menu stored so I can edit it? I have two entries o gimp image editor, and one doesn't work, probably because the /home/ partition was not formatted :)05:23
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savvasah found it05:25
nox-HandIs it semi-safe to upgrade to Gutsy? I can fix dependancies and bugs no problem, it's more I dont want a corrupt file system05:25
nox-Hand_dan_: Nicely put05:25
nox-HandAnyone got a link to the howto upgrade from Feisty?05:25
_dan_update-manager -d05:26
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shiznitgutsy actully fixed problems for me lol05:26
gnomefreakoh thanks for reminding me05:26
Pici!beta | nox-Hand should be in release notes05:26
ubotunox-Hand should be in release notes: Gutsy Gibbon (7.10) *BETA* information and release notes can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Beta - If you regularly update, then you're running the latest version - ISOs and Torrents at http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/ - It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+105:26
nox-HandOh, should I change my sources.list to a rather... regular one before upgrading?05:27
nox-HandI have a quite.. custom one :)05:27
magzillaLjL: fglrx drivers did not work for me. Should this be submitted as a bug with my particular video card chipset?05:27
Evanlecnox-Hand, yes!05:27
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nox-HandEvanlec: Cheers05:27
LjLprobably should, magzilla. include the full Xorg.0.log05:28
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gnomefreakyeah normally include you xorg.conf as well05:29
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magzillamy buddy says there is nothing that can be done about this because its an ATI 7xxxx chipset05:31
kRushis there a simple setup for a local dns cache? preferably independent of connection type05:31
magzillaand ati binary driver does not support it05:31
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capiirahmm hi hi is gutsy kinda runable yet?05:32
Crozarcompiz is completely removed from Gusty how to get them back?05:32
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capiirai mean does gutsy have any hardcore errors?05:33
kRushprobably not05:33
Crozarcapiira: its running like a charm , good =) yes butt i did a mistake ( i had compiz on feisty and i forgot to uninstall it before going to gusty ) so i updated and now in gusty i removed compiz and now i want it back . so if u want to update capiira just dont forget to uninstall compiz if u got completely remove it05:33
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scizzo-Crozar: gutsy is running compiz-fusion05:34
capiiralike yeah05:34
capiiramaybe a simple apt-get install compiz-fusion does the trick05:34
Crozarscizzo-:  yes i know! ( but i removed it ) how to get it back05:35
kRushnah the meta package is still compiz05:35
capiiraahh ok05:35
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Crozarscizzo-: i had compiz-fusion version 0.6 with feisty ===> i upgraded to gusty ===> now my compiz is weird , so * i removed it . i want compiz back05:35
capiiraahh ok im running the father of ubuntu :D05:35
gnomefreakcrimsun: next time your around, Is there something we can do with the esd error in terminal? disabling esd doesnt help.05:35
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apecatwill gutsy be distributed only on dvd?05:35
gnomefreakapecat: cd dvd and ISO05:36
savvasnox-Hand: it's stable enough here, some bugs here and there, but manageable :P05:36
apecatah, good05:36
capiirabut i wonder how can they add it if its not stable yet?!?!?!05:36
capiirai mean the compiz fusion stuff05:36
gnomefreaklooks like the fix for upgrade with envy iwill make it to repos today :)05:36
scizzo-Crozar: apt-get install compiz-gnome compiz-fusion-plugins-extra ubuntu-desktop05:36
gnomefreakmainly for nvidia since we havent been able to test ati :(05:37
savvasCrozar: you have to delete your config files in your home dir for compiz if you had it installed before05:37
kRushcapiira,  it's pretty stable and polished actually05:37
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Crozarthe whole compiz folder ?05:37
Crozarsavvas:  u sure???05:37
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savvasCrozar: well they reported several bugs with it05:37
shiznitty gnomefreak, i counldt get nvidia working on feisty w/o Envy05:37
nox-Handsavvas: Good tradeoff :)05:37
Crozarsavvas: yes first bug i cant see the barpanel ontop of a window05:38
savvasCrozar: maybe you didn't follow the right steps05:38
gnomefreakshiznit: it should work cant promise it but mvo is great with that so i trust him (maintainer of apt/dpkg/smart kind of have to  trust him :)05:38
capiirais the universe and multiverse already online for gutsy?05:38
savvasCrozar: http://medigeek.blogspot.com/2007/09/ubuntu-unveil-real-power-of-compiz.html05:38
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gnomefreakcapiira: yes05:39
Crozarscizzo-: what version is  apt-get install compiz-gnome compiz-fusion-plugins-extra ubuntu-desktop ??? will it give me latest 0.6?05:39
capiiraahh fine05:39
gnomefreakcapiira: partner repos are not05:39
DanaGArgh, recent HAL updates have re-broken my brightness control.05:39
gnomefreakbackports are not05:39
capiirawhat are partner repos ?05:39
nox-Handcapiira: Although one says Compiz Fusion is not unstable, it depends on the release. Being 0.5.2 doesn't mean it's not stable, it merely means it is not *complete* Version 1.0 will have all that the developers feel C-Fusion should have. V 0.5.2 is quite stable nonetheless, as it is a general release version. Bugs fixed, and no radical unstable new SVN features added.05:39
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scizzo-Crozar: you haven't had much experience with apt-get have you05:39
scizzo-Crozar: ?05:39
gnomefreakcapiira: what used to be name the commercial repo05:39
scizzo-Crozar: or linux in itself?05:39
capiiraahh ok05:39
Crozarscizzo-: i did alot ! , and when i installed compiz on feisty i did the manual method Fyda's tutorial with no questions asked05:39
gnomefreakcapiira: with clean install it gets put into you sources.list for you05:40
LjLkRush: ah sorry, i'm taking questions from a bot, i had misread the channel name :)05:40
DanaGNow if I start at full brightness, I have to hit the brightness-down hotkey FIVE times before I reach the next brightness level.05:40
apecatare there any fairly recent feisty installer images (preferabley alt. cds) available somewhere, the beta seems to be dvd only.. http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/beta/05:40
scizzo-Crozar: ok..that answered my question actually05:40
Crozarscizzo-: i know many things i can creat scripts to do me jobs i might be in helpNsupporT maybe in 2months or so.05:40
capiirai'm going to try it out, downloading right now05:40
DanaGAnd during the 5 keystrokes in between, the LCD backlight is entirely OFF!05:40
savvasapecat: http://releases.ubuntu.com05:40
sacateravatar_: oh ha ha05:40
gnomefreakapecat: gutsy or feisty?05:40
scizzo-Version: 1:0.5.2+git20070928-0ubuntu105:40
scizzo-is the version of compiz I have05:40
Crozarscizzo-: im angry because i have the 0.52 compiz now when i used to have 0.6 on feisty05:41
gnomefreak!daily | apecat  (this is for gutsy cds)05:41
ubotuapecat  (this is for gutsy cds): Daily builds of the CD images of the current development version of Ubuntu are available at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/05:41
scizzo-Crozar: you are always angry05:41
apecatgnomefreak, savvas sry meant gutsy, but releases.ubuntu solved the problem05:41
savvasol' cdimage visitors :P05:41
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DanaGhal ( gutsy; urgency=low05:41
DanaG  * debian/patches/64_read_brightness_not_actual_brightness.patch: Read the brightness from /sys/class/backlight/foo/brightness, not actual_brightness. It makes more sense to change based on the brightness that we wanted to set, not the brightness that we actually set.05:41
Crozarwhy did u let me do the auto download install apt-get and i sho uld have done it with getit from the reporository where i can get 0.605:41
gnomefreaklol @ why did you let me05:42
Crozarscizzo-: ok i have compiz now how to start it?05:42
DanaGWTF?  Wheres the logic in that?  Oh, I asked you for 50 bucks but you only gave me 10.  Oh well, I'll just act like you gave me 50.05:42
scizzo-Crozar: from the System-> Preferences -> something05:43
Crozardoesnt work05:43
Crozarscizzo-: i dont haVe compiz it says05:43
scizzo-Crozar: well then apt-get install compiz05:43
Crozari did05:43
scizzo-dpkg -l | grep compiz05:43
scizzo-put the output in a pastebin and send us the link05:44
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Crozarscizzo-: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39272/report/05:46
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scizzo-Crozar: it looks right05:47
Crozarmust i restart X?05:48
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete] 05:48
scizzo-Crozar: what does the terminal say if you: compiz --replace05:49
Crozarscizzo-: it says desktop effects could not be loaded thats in apprearances in system = prefrenaces05:49
scizzo-Crozar: what does the terminal say if you: compiz --replace05:49
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Crozarscizzo-: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39273/report/05:50
scizzo-well you can try to restart X I am not sure if it will work anyway05:52
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Crozardoesnt work05:54
Crozarscizzo-: :(05:54
kRushCrozar, how much vram does your card have?05:55
CrozarkRush: i mean compiz works lol05:55
Crozarbut doesnt work now :(05:55
scizzo-you mean it worked in feisty05:55
kRushthat makes no sense to me05:55
CrozarkRush: no body told me that i must uninstall compiz and emerald before updating to gusty05:55
scizzo-and you want the use the same settings as in feisty05:55
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Crozarwhen i updated it was working but didnt feel that compiz was built it , it rather felt like it was exactly like feisty however 1 problem i cant see the bars ontop of any window05:56
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Klau1Hello, everyone! Is having completely white rectangles where there should be windows when using desktop effects with nvidia-glx with a geforce6800gt on the gutsy beta a known bug?05:57
Crozarcan i ask a question:? you guys had feisty did u have compiz aswell in it? not using apt-get install but doing them manually through reprositiries and useing getit ect.. creating each file manually ?05:57
Crozarif u did what happened when u upgraded to gusty>?05:57
Crozarand if u say its ok then thats not a bug thats my problem05:58
Dr_willisIm using a 8800gtsxxx here. clean install.. compiz is working fine. ( Just my comment) :)05:58
Dr_willisi dont do 'upgrades'  - i always do a clean install..05:58
scizzo-Crozar: apt-get is using the same repos as the normal tools05:58
scizzo-Crozar: for example the update tool is using the exact same repos05:58
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Crozarscizzo-:  but apt-get got me version .5.2 i think u didnt know ? that apt-get gets from the ubuntu side and its not updated when the oringinal compiz updates so i had to get them manually an expert way05:59
Crozarlet me conclude ( i will format happy? ) or ( this problem must be known! ? )06:00
scizzo-Crozar: cause the repos are from ubuntu originally....06:00
Crozarzzzzz :(06:00
scizzo-Crozar: you are expecting answers in 2 secs06:00
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Crozarscizzo-: did any1"??? anyone here updated from feisty to gusty>?06:00
scizzo-Crozar: you are saying that you want 0.6 which surely comes from a backport or something that someone has done06:00
Crozardid some1 update from feisty to gusty?06:01
savvasI have06:01
scizzo-Crozar: the compiz-fusion stuff that you got is the compiz-fusion version that is standard from ubuntu repos06:01
Crozarsavvas: did you have comipz infeisty?06:01
Crozari hope u did06:01
savvasnope sorry06:01
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Crozari had FFS06:01
Crozarlooks like im going to format06:01
Crozarand my friends also06:02
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Crozarand my cousins06:02
savvasso.. removing the compiz folder isn't working?06:02
Nalleman Well guys and girls. I just upgraded to gusty and now i got a terrible lag (about 2 fps). Is there someone here that know what might be wrong?06:02
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scizzo-Nalleman: ummm...lagg where and how?06:02
Crozarsee every1 had compiz in feisty and how will they go for gusty if they cant use the gusty compiz built in but still use the compiz- fusion from feisty06:02
savvasCrozar: removing the compiz folder isn't working?06:03
Crozarsavvas: no06:03
scizzo-savvas: he is not testing06:03
Crozarwhere is the foldeR?06:03
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NallemanWhen i move windows on my desktop. i tried to run glxgears but x crashed06:03
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scizzo-savvas: he wants us to flicker the magic wand and hope to get it going without testing things...06:03
gnomefreakCrozar: havent gotten there yet but im sure it will be worked out (on upgrade old packages get replaced by newer versions06:03
Crozarsavvas: compiz folder is deleted long time06:04
scizzo-Nalleman: hmmm nvidia right?06:04
Crozargnomefreak: u mean when gusty is updated to full release will they give us a better compiz and make things work again?06:04
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scizzo-its working for me... :D06:04
Crozargnomefreak: my question is the compiz in gusty is like feisty ? the one with the icon in the system try that looks blue and has a mousepointer on it?06:04
Nallemanscizzo-, no, intel 945 or something like that (an internal graphics card)06:05
savvasCrozar: you could always file a bug: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug06:05
gnomefreakCrozar: depends is it better cant tell you that is personal opinion06:05
kRushit's not a bug06:05
scizzo-Nalleman: hmmm.....intel has been on topic of many things in launchpad06:05
kRushit's pebkac06:05
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gnomefreakCrozar: if using feisty official compiz packages yes it is better06:05
Nallemanscizzo-, darn..06:05
scizzo-Nalleman: try to check with launchpad06:06
Crozargnomefreak: because i had compiz-fusion 0.6 from feisty but then i updated to gusty with my compiz :( and then compiz works in gusty but still same icon same thing didnt feel its built in so i thought theyrs no change then i see a bug i cant see the panel ontop of any window that has minimize maximize close , so i removed compiz and now i want it back :(06:06
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gnomefreakif using trivenos yes its better if using Amaranth i cant tell you but its of good quility06:06
scizzo-Nalleman: might be something there...I am using nvidia myself and know that glxgears crashes X well the whole machine actually06:06
gnomefreakcompiz-fustion was not in feisty so you had to get it from outside repo06:06
shearn89hey all - trying to update my server edition, getting this error: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m7b9a438306:07
scizzo-gnomefreak: thank you06:07
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Crozargnomefreak: yes06:07
savvasso it wasn't supported, cute06:07
Crozargnomefreak: how to get compiz back thats my quiestion06:07
savvasCrozar: the way I upgraded was this: I ran ubuntu gutsy gibbon live cd, formatted the root partition, and kept my files in /home/, which is probably what you should do, keep a separate partition for /home/06:08
Crozarcan i format my ubuntu drive without touching my windows drive and then install fresh copy of gusty in the same ubuntu drive?06:08
scizzo-shearn89: problem in a file for do-release-upgrade it seems06:08
gnomefreakCrozar: on gutsy install ubuntu-desktop should help you with that. if not well using a 3rd party packages isnt supported by ubuntu so you may have to remove them all and install gutsys06:08
gnomefreakCrozar: yes06:08
gnomefreakthats easy06:08
shearn89scizzo-: should i try installing update-manager as well as update-manager-core?06:08
gnomefreakCrozar: and smart :) you will see things that you didnt see on upgrade06:08
gnomefreakshearn89: why dont you have it?06:09
scizzo-shearn89: yeah try that06:09
gnomefreakits kind of hard to misplace06:09
scizzo-shearn89: seems that it can't find the modules.....06:09
Crozargnomefreak: i will do that , but pleaseeeeeeeeea anybody some1 just put a sign do not upgrade  if ug ot compiz or other things like that , just say upgradeing is bad stick it up06:09
gnomefreakif you have ubuntu-desktop it should be there06:09
shearn89scizzo: i'm on a server - just looked at the update wiki-type page and said to install update-manager-core...06:09
gnomefreakCrozar: upgrade is fairly unsafe atm its being worked on this week in depth06:09
shearn89scizzo-: update-manager is installing now.06:10
scizzo-shearn89: hehe....well should work then.. :D06:10
gnomefreakinstall update-manager will install -core for you06:10
savvasCrozar: it's bad when you have packages outside the repositories, that's a risk they all take by putting extra repos in the first place06:10
gnomefreakand a bunch of X apps06:10
shearn89cheers guys. i'll get back if it doesn't work.06:10
kRushCrozar, what part of  | Please *don't* run Gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc |  did you not understand?06:10
gnomefreakCrozar: we cant support that as well as people would like to,06:11
gnomefreaklol kRush06:11
Crozargnomefreak: if you can tell them about this bug also https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/8105706:11
ubotuLaunchpad bug 81057 in ubuntu "DNS Resolves everything to intermittently on some ADSL Routers" [Undecided,Incomplete] 06:11
scizzo-kRush: thats actually what I said before06:11
gnomefreakkRush: i do have to say if you can run sudo dpkg -i update-manager than the users seem to think that is enough06:11
scizzo-kRush: the answer was that he followed a guide and he was angry or something... :P06:12
Crozargnomefreak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/81057 this bug is with Edgy and aswell in Gusty06:12
scizzo-gnomefreak: apt-get moo06:12
gnomefreakCrozar: what does that have to do with compiz06:12
scizzo-gnomefreak: all you need to know06:12
Crozargnomefreak: but that bug didnt occur with FEISTY!!! do you know why06:12
gnomefreakCrozar: yes i do06:12
Crozargnomefreak: people dont have 1 question and go lol i have several06:12
gnomefreakCrozar: gutsy is NOT feisty :)06:12
Crozarand edgy is not feisty?06:13
savvasoh brother06:13
gnomefreakCrozar: totally new network-manager06:13
Crozargnomefreak: so feisty is not gusty?06:13
scizzo-Crozar: no06:13
gnomefreakCrozar: your not understanding edgy+feisty were fairly close to eachother06:13
scizzo-Crozar: feisty is not gutsy......dapper is not edgy and so on06:13
Crozargnomefreak: i believe the approach of gusty is from the checkpoint on Edgy right?06:13
gnomefreakCrozar: everything works differnet in gutsy06:13
Crozargnomefreak: in feisty i havent had this bug problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/8105706:13
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scizzo-ok...I will leave this one to gnomefreak he is the man the myth the legend now... :D06:14
gnomefreakCrozar: many features that were in edgy/feisty/dapper have been upgraded to work06:14
kRushwish I had your patience, I'm outta here for now.06:14
gnomefreakexample compiz in feisty not same as compiz in gutsy although same name06:14
savvasCrozar: /me grabs some chips and shares with scizzo- :p06:14
scizzo-savvas: I got widescreen06:14
savvasooh great, better view :)06:15
scizzo-savvas: I can use the zoom function in compiz and we can look06:15
gnomefreaknetwork-manager had an overhaul and with same name same functions it works in a differnet way06:15
Crozargnomefreak: i had feisty and i havent expirienced not a problem on that my router and my hardware ethernet runs fine configured properly when  suddenly some1 says that edgy is better for ( my*laptop ) so i installed it and had that problem and tried solveing it but i couldntTT06:15
gnomefreakCrozar: ok lets try this, you have a windows pc and everything works you have a linux pc and the same things dont work what is the cause?06:15
Crozargnomefreak: so now i know how to solve it , like it says in that bug report , and i managed to do a script to auto exec at start up but yet this is bad for the community when ( feisty have acknowledged and solved the problem ) and gusty should't have such problem.06:16
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oshiii^_^oh dear06:16
Crozargnomefreak: what you saying isnt part of this conversation06:17
gnomefreakCrozar: if you script breaks something or your script breaks ubuntu is not responsible (please keep this in mind when you do a clean install)06:17
gnomefreakCrozar: very much is you said it worked on feisty but not on gutsy06:17
Crozargnomefreak: im trying to make you understand about philosophy coz with a WiseMan he can tell that gusty has been checkpoint in couple of particalur things to gain towards gusty06:17
scizzo-./me steals the last chips from savvas06:18
gnomefreakCrozar: i understand people tried to explain this to you already today? why are we going over it again?06:18
scizzo-gnomefreak: you go girl!06:18
gnomefreakCrozar: in suppoort world wisemen are the ones that know what is going on and dont ask too many questions06:18
oshiii^_^scizzo is making me hungry06:18
Crozargnomefreak: lets say this ( feisty didnt have the problem ) and edgy did . so ur saying GUsty is not an update its a new approuch ?06:19
scizzo-oshiii^_^: I have some 1 month old bread if you want that?06:19
oshiii^_^no thanks06:19
scizzo-oshiii^_^: coffee?06:19
oshiii^_^sounds good06:19
Crozarsounds like im going for a pill , this is stresful D!~N06:19
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Crozargnomefreak: ok ok nevermind i will format and do clean install06:20
Crozargnomefreak: i love ya'll06:20
gnomefreakCrozar: if edgy did not have the problem and feisty did? that would mean a few things could have happened since feisty is not the same as edgy things you added on things the developers added on could have caused it to stop working but that means nothing for gutsy, if it doesnt work on a clean install of gutsy file a bug and the right people will look at it06:20
Crozargnomefreak: thanks for explaining il ask my last 8 questions tommorow or maybe later atnight06:20
gnomefreakplease keep it to 2 a day :)06:21
Crozari need coffe for this06:21
scizzo-Crozar: install feisty and wait for gutsy to come out as a stable release06:21
scizzo-Crozar: you are not prepared to use a testing version of a OS06:21
scizzo-Crozar: I am being honest now.....06:21
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Crozarscizzo-: actually i dont use windows i hate windows i hate mac i didnt beleive i would see a real computer until ubuntu i saw and read about./06:22
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scizzo-Crozar: I am sorry but really you have been asking questions that people have been answering however you feel that if its not the answer you expect then nothing will be right....06:22
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scizzo-Crozar: thats not the point06:22
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scizzo-Crozar: but using a application or OS that is in testing level is also as it is said "testing"06:23
Crozarscizzo-: the point is if i buy MAC and get bootcamp with Windows can i have UBUNTU in it? on the option choice screen of BootCamp  and have grub removed06:23
scizzo-Crozar: you can't expect to much.......if you can't handle the fact that it is in testing environment then wel...06:23
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Crozarscizzo-: and i just bought a pc with ATI X1800 anyways to get it tweaked to its best like in windows?06:24
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scizzo-Crozar: All I am saying is that you should use the stable release06:24
scizzo-Crozar: not gutsy.....06:24
Crozarscizzo-: how to make winE change the icon i hate that icon looks not so good for me i'd rather have a linux on a chair and windows on the lap06:24
scizzo-Crozar: and wait for gutsy until it is stable06:24
drewzfThis is a channel for Gutsy yet people here recommend you don't use it? XD06:25
aguitelone question , i am using gutsy tribe5  it is possible to upgrade to full versin?06:25
Crozarscizzo-: ok i will wait , tell me can i twaek processes06:25
drewzfWhat's the fun in that?06:25
scizzo-ok I give up....I am going for a smoke....and some coffee06:25
Crozarwhen will i ask my 8 questions :(06:25
oshiii^_^have fun06:25
Crozarits weird questions i dont know if any body asked them06:25
drewzfCrozar: Don't ask to ask, just ask.06:25
Crozarok format here i come06:25
drewzfOr /quit, that's just as easy for me. :)06:26
scizzo-he is going to be back tonight when he has upgraded to gutsy again06:26
aguitelis possible to upgrade to stable version the beta tribe5 ?06:26
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gnomefreakscizzo-: we shall see but i would say its very likely he will join us again atleast for a minute or so06:28
aguitelis possible to upgrade to stable version the beta tribe5 ?06:28
drewzfwhy was aptitude upgrade deprecated?06:29
scizzo-gnomefreak: yeah06:29
scizzo-gnomefreak: we can give him your e-mail? :D06:29
LjLaguitel: no, because there is not a stable version yet.06:29
shearn89hey all - back again. Now the do-release-upgrade runs, but says it can't find a new release. I have changed all my repos to gutsy. Any ideas?06:29
hetaumawhen gutsy would be released.. would my installation have any difference if I make a fresh install of the final release?06:29
gnomefreakscizzo-: anyone that gives him my email will be put on autoban06:29
scizzo-gnomefreak: haha!06:29
scizzo-gnomefreak: well I tried to explain to him.....he...well you know06:30
aguitelLjL: thanks06:30
gnomefreakscizzo-: he went through this in another channel today as well06:31
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scizzo-gnomefreak: cool....a celebrity06:32
gnomefreakhe will be delt with accordingly06:32
scizzo-shearn89: hmmm.....well check the repos in /etc/apt/sources.list06:32
scizzo-gnomefreak: well I found it rude I'm afraid.....from his side that is06:33
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shearn89done that, they're all gutsy. Fixed it by doing "sudo do-release-upgrade -d".06:33
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Vorbotehetauma, none whatsoever (that was a fib, you wouldn't have the extra apps you have installed).06:33
scizzo-shearn89: what happens when you run apt-get update?06:34
shearn89it picks up all the new stuff, but i thought there was a better way to do a dist-upgrade.06:34
shearn89but it looks like its going to take ages - probs going to download cd instead...06:35
scizzo-shearn89: I am not 100% but I used the dist-upgrade on my server06:36
shearn89yeah - unfortunately my connection is muy slow (max 200kbps), so probs going to download the alternate install cd.06:36
scizzo-however I just realized that apparmor is not running as it should06:37
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drewzfHmm, noticing several bugs with the screen resolution in Gutsy, at least on my laptop, are they worth reporting?06:37
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scizzo-shearn89: hehe...100x100 here.. ;)06:38
shearn89scizzo-: nice.... hopefully getting decent broadband soon, which should be faster.06:38
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scizzo-gnomefreak: question: apparmor the standard install is not using -profiles as standard install right?06:39
scizzo-gnomefreak: cause I had to install that manually...06:39
gnomefreakscizzo-: not sure off hand but there are other issues with it that are being worked out today06:40
scizzo-gnomefreak: super!06:40
scizzo-gnomefreak: thank you06:40
gnomefreakgrrrrr and people wonder why i have my own repos :(06:41
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mon^rchquestion: is everybody's system sounds working? ie: login, logout sounds (they never worked from the begining --tribe5--) but sound works just fine just no login/out music :/06:48
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extradumb question, but.. how do you submit a bug in launchpad?06:50
scizzo-extra: there is a report bug button on the site06:50
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macogwanyone else have totally blank tty's...like, no prompt at which to type?06:54
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wilberfanhas anyone solved the 'no-window-borders-in-fusion' problem yet...?06:55
wilberfanmy problem seems to revolve around missing libwnck18...?06:55
sin1what kind of video card you got?06:55
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wilberfansin1: nvidia...with the latest 100.xxx driver installed...06:55
macogwwho? me or wilber?06:55
sin1try         sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 2406:56
wilberfanfusion works...emerald is not starting...06:56
sin1and restart X06:56
wilberfani think the problem is with emerald, though...06:56
sin1I had the same problem and that's what worked for me :)06:57
crdlbwilberfan, gtk-window-decorator works?06:58
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wilberfancrdlb: yeah....06:58
wilberfanI keep getting this error message with emerald:  error while loading shared libraries: libwnck-1.so.18: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory06:58
crdlbare you sure you're using gutsy's emerald package?06:58
wilberfancrdlb: not completely.   how would i verify that?06:58
crdlbclearly you're not06:58
crdlbwilberfan, dpkg -l|grep emerald06:59
salty-horsehi. can anyone on gutsy please send me the contents of python's sys.path?06:59
wilberfanis that 'dpkg -l | grep emerald'?06:59
crdlbwilberfan, either way works06:59
wilberfancrdlb: I got that same libwnck error....!07:00
crdlbI find people are more likely to run the whole command if it's typed w/o the spaces07:00
wilberfanah... ;-)07:00
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crdlbfrom dpkg?07:00
crdlbI find that somewhat unlikely07:00
crdlbdid you forget the grep?07:01
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wilberfanshould I be root??07:01
crdlbyou don't need to be07:01
wilberfancrdlb: ok...here we go:07:02
wilberfandpkg -l|grep emerald07:02
wilberfanii  emerald                                    0.3~git20070717-0ubuntu1              Decorator for compiz-fusion07:02
wilberfanii  emerald-themes                             0.2.1-0ubuntu1                        Package of themes for Emerald07:02
wilberfanii  libemeraldengine0                          0.3~git20070717-0ubuntu1              Decoration engines for compiz-fusion07:02
wilberfan20070717 doesn't look very promising, does it!07:02
crdlbwilberfan, run this: which emerald07:02
crdlb!info emerald gutsy07:02
ubotuemerald: Decorator for compiz-fusion. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3~git20070717-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 198 kB, installed size 956 kB07:03
wilberfanwhich emerald07:03
albert23macogw: do you mean this: bug 129910 ?07:03
ubotuLaunchpad bug 129910 in initramfs-tools "tty[1-6]  are active but display nothing in Gutsy" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12991007:03
crdlbthat's the problem07:03
crdlbwilberfan, you've installed emerald from source at some point07:03
crdlbsudo rm /usr/local/bin/emerald07:03
macogwalbert23: yep that's it07:03
wilberfancrdlb: could it be left over from feisty, or...?07:04
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macogwk so that leaves, does anyone else with intel graphics have the screen go almost black so you just see shadows of the open windows when the screen "dims"?07:04
crdlbwilberfan, it would be left over from something you did either manually or with a script07:04
wilberfancrdlb: [whistles]   who knew?!07:04
wilberfanhow do i rip it out and start over?07:05
wilberfan(or do i?)07:05
crdlb<crdlb> sudo rm /usr/local/bin/emerald07:05
wilberfancrdlb: yeah, i've done that...07:05
leperkhanzI'm out.  Thanks for the good times, all the peeps who were nice in here.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/14753607:05
ubotuLaunchpad bug 147536 in ubuntu "Sarah Hobbs is a jerk." [Undecided,Invalid] 07:05
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crdlbwilberfan, now run emerald07:06
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crdlbyou may need to use a new terminal since the shell is cached to use /usr/local/bin/emerald now07:06
wilberfancrdlb: I just tried enabling emerald from fusion-icon...but no dice...07:07
crdlbopen a new terminal and run emerald --replace07:07
wilberfancrdlb: I just opened a new terminal and entered "emerald" and got that libwnck error again....07:07
crdlband stop running random scripts07:07
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wilberfan$ emerald --replace07:08
wilberfanemerald: error while loading shared libraries: libwnck-1.so.18: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory07:08
crdlbwilberfan, which emerald07:08
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crdlbsudo apt-get --reinstall install emerald07:09
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wilberfancrdlb: it's still installing "0.3~git20070717..."07:10
crdlbthat's fine07:10
crdlbdidn't you see ubotu?07:10
wilberfancrdlb: oh, ok...07:10
wilberfancrdlb: yeah, i did....07:10
wilberfanwas it something else before...?  i didn't notice...07:10
crdlb!info emerald gutsy07:11
ubotuemerald: Decorator for compiz-fusion. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3~git20070717-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 198 kB, installed size 956 kB07:11
wilberfan!info emerald gutsy07:11
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wilberfancrdlb: well, i'm STILL getting that libwnck error.....07:12
macogwdid you try just installing that library?07:13
crdlb!info libwnck18 gutsy07:13
ubotuPackage libwnck18 does not exist in gutsy07:13
crdlb!info libwnck22 gutsy07:13
ubotulibwnck22: Window Navigator Construction Kit - runtime files. In component main, is optional. Version 2.20.0-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 150 kB, installed size 340 kB07:13
crdlbas I thought07:13
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wilberfancrdlb: i noticed the '22' version loaded, too....  so something's still looking for '18'....07:13
crdlbsudo apt-get --reinstall install libemeraldengine007:14
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RainCThow can I update Feisty -> Gutsy from the Beta CD?07:16
wilberfancrdlb: nope.   same error...07:16
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zengenIs there a changelog for the daily builds?07:16
savvasRainCT: did you download the alternate cd?07:17
RainCTsavvas: no, the normal one07:17
zengenYou can upgrade with update-manager -d, rainct.07:17
RainCTwill it automatically get the packages that are on the CD from there?07:18
zengenMaybe it's -D.  One of those.07:18
RainCTok, thanks07:18
savvasRainCT: well.. the only way I know of, is that if you have a separate partition for /home/, then do the partitioning setup manually during the installation and format the root / partition07:18
wilberfancrdlb: have we given up?  ;-)07:18
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crdlbI'm out of ideas07:19
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wilberfancrdlb: isn't there a way to remove everything emerald-related and start over?07:19
crdlbnot for you07:19
wilberfanor should I just do a clean-install of gutsy...?   ;-)07:19
crdlbyou've gone outside of the packaging system07:20
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wilberfancrdlb: so something's borked somewhere...?07:20
crdlbit might just be that something is cached07:20
crdlbbut I don't know how to clear it07:20
crdlbmake sure that emerald isn't still running07:21
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wilberfancrdlb: i don't see anything 'emerald' in the system monitor...07:21
wilberfancrdlb: any chance it's 64-bit related???07:22
macogwcheck in ps -e too07:22
crdlbI doubt it07:22
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zengenDoes anyone know if there's a changelog for the daily iso's?  Or, if the problem with loading encrypted partitions before they're decrypted has been fixed on the latest?\07:22
wilberfanso there ARE gutsy runners who have working emerald themes?07:22
_dan_zengen my crypto part works07:22
zengenWhat day is your build from?07:23
macogwmine works almost fine07:23
macogwthe buttons i made for my theme arent working07:23
macogwi think i made them wrong07:23
_dan_zengen i got the latest updates07:23
zengenk, I'll try it then.  Thank you.07:23
wilberfancrdlb: well, i appreciate your help...  you gave it the ol' college try...07:24
crdlbwilberfan, run sudo ldconfig07:24
wilberfancrdlb: he's not done yet!  yaaaay!07:24
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wilberfancrdlb: ok.  i just got a prompt back....07:25
crdlbnow try emerald again07:25
wilberfancrdlb: nope.07:26
wilberfanSOMETHING wants to use that '18' version....07:26
crdlbthat something is some library left over in /usr/local from when you installed emerald from source07:26
wilberfancrdlb: ah...  but we don't know what it is--or how to get rid of it.....07:27
extrasup yall07:27
wilberfanwell, i'm downloading todays alternate install gutsy as we speak...!  ;-)07:28
wilberfan(I know--that's the wimp-out method!)07:28
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extrai don't see the bug submission button on launchpad07:32
daubershey all, I've just upgraded from fiesty to gutsy, how do I enable the desktop effects?07:32
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wilberfandaubers: in general, i think it's System/Preferences/Appearance/Visual Effects?07:33
daubersah ha! It was hiding from me07:33
daubersthanks very much :-D07:34
wilberfandaubers: no prob!!  I had no idea where it was either...!07:34
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wilberfancrdlb: thanks again for your help, dude...07:34
DaylighterI am having trouble with X ever since I let the update-manager do its thing today07:35
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jussi01Daylighter: whats it doing for you?07:35
Daylighterjussi01, it will act like its starting, then flash to a dialogue asking for my monitor driver and resolution.. I click okay and it does the same thing over again07:36
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jussi01Daylighter: ouch. I have a different issue, but it is definately broken...07:36
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DaylighterI am chatting in the terminal version of Bitchx right now07:36
jussi01Daylighter: not fun07:37
jussi01Daylighter: bug 14732907:37
ubotuLaunchpad bug 147329 in xorg "Screen size is bigger than display size" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14732907:37
Daylighternot at all07:37
scizzo-I use irssi all the time07:37
jussi01thats my issue07:37
Daylighterthat happens to me too, jussi0107:37
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Daylighterit happens at the login screen07:37
DaylighterI wish there was a way I could rollback the updates I've done recently07:37
jussi01Daylighter:so its like it extends outside the veiwable areea?07:38
Daylighterjussi01 it was doing that before and now gnome just wont start07:38
scizzo-dual monitor?07:38
DaylighterI even reconfigured X using dpkg and it STILL does this07:38
jussi01Daylighter: yeah, me too07:39
Daylighterthis is not fun because I am still figuring out how to switch channels07:39
Daylighterback and forth07:39
Daylighterand I cant see a userlist07:39
Daylighterand I dont know the shortcuts07:40
Daylighterfor functions in bitchx07:40
DaylighterI wish there was a "sudo apt-get undo last upgrade"07:40
jussi01!enter | Daylighter07:40
ubotuDaylighter: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!07:40
scizzo-Daylighter: install irssi07:41
Daylighterso X wont start for you either, jussi01?07:41
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jussi01Daylighter: no, x starts, but has that bug07:41
Daylighterthank you scizzo, I installing now07:41
scizzo-Daylighter: irssi is easy instead of bitchx07:42
jussi01Daylighter: I have to lower my resolution somewhat to make it work07:42
Daylighterwhat server am I connected to right now?07:43
scizzo-Daylighter: irc.freenode.net07:43
Daylighterwhy does it keep disconnecting due to "bad password"07:44
Daylighterdamn I miss gnome07:45
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scizzo-Daylighter: irssi -c irc.freenode.net07:45
scizzo-Daylighter: you only need to type that07:45
Daylighterdisconnecting (bad password)07:46
Daylighterwell, Closing Link:07:47
Daylighterit is still rejecting my "bad password"07:48
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dougbyou're supposed to use dist-upgrade?07:50
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dougbnot regular upgrade?07:50
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will__anyone having a delay/black screen after login in gutsy?07:52
will__before the desktop shows that is07:52
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panosruHi, i have an ntfs disk with windows vista my primary is an ext3 disk with ubuntu which one i use. I have ntfs-3g driver installed and everything fine. Today i had to boot into vista after i finished my work i reboot to boot again in ubuntu but vista disk disappeared! Does anyone knows what happen? Thanks in advice.07:53
ubuntu_davepanosru: did u hibernate/suspend vista or shut it down properly?07:53
panosruI can see the disk in Storage Device Manager but when i press the mount button nothing happens.07:53
panosruubuntu_dave no didn't shut down properly i reset it because it stuck on system shut down07:54
ubuntu_davethat's why07:54
panosruubuntu_dave do you think if i boot again and reboot will fix it?07:54
ubuntu_daventfs filesystem needs to be shut down correctly or ntfs-3g will refuse to mount it (for safety reasons)07:54
ubuntu_daveyes if you shut down vista correctly it should work fine afterwards in ubuntu07:55
panosruubuntu_dave i didn't knew that... thanks for info i will boot in vista and reboot07:55
panosrui hope one day get rid of windows ...07:55
will__exactly, the NTFS gets marked as not uncleanly unmounted....just boot vista then restart and go to ubuntu and it will work07:55
panosrubrb :D07:55
daylight1ris anyone else unable to get X running after upgrading to the beta?07:56
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ratpoisongutsy amd64. My oofice impress and base won't start! http://pastebin.com/m3ea0321208:03
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daylighterokay I found my feisty liveCD08:04
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panosruworks :D08:04
daylighterI need help with my X problem08:04
nox-HandFeature idea, I suggest that when doing dist-upgrades and it asks about a mere config file replacement, that it continues with other packages in the background. Returning after an hour of uprgading to see it has done 5 mins of work and then ahlted really sucks08:05
hyljeyes | sudo apt-get dist-upgrade08:05
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fangoriouswhat is the default runlevel for the gutsy livedvd? I'm trying to boot it into single user, install an updated ati driver, and finish boot08:07
panosrudoes anyone knows why rhythmbox music player does now show non lattin characters?08:09
panosruwell actually i know why08:09
hetaumawhat's openoffice's equivalent for mathtype?08:09
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magzilladaylighter: are you getting a blank screen for X?08:09
panosruhow to fix it?08:10
panosrui tried easytag but nothing worked08:10
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fangoriouspanosru, are the characters displayed anywhere else (filenames in nautilus, for example)?08:10
daylightermagzilla: what happens is everything boots normally, then when it gets ready to start gdm, the screen flashes and I see the X cursor and I get a dialogue box that asks me for my resolution and video card driver08:10
daylighterno matter what I do, it will always flash back to that dialogue, I've even tried recompiling my driver and reconfiguring x with dpkg08:11
magzilladaylighter: ah, that is different from my X problem08:11
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panosrufangorious, well they are from windows i think windows use windows-1253 character set thats why08:11
panosruin windows media player they are shown fine08:11
daylighterthis is the only time gutsy has ever given me problems08:12
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mnkplease can anyone tell me where the gutsy installer (upgrading from feisty) downloads the files?08:12
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jussi01mnk: whichever repo you have enabled08:12
daylighterI think I am going to copy all my data to a new partition and just install feisty again, this is a pain08:13
mnkall i did was to run the installer thingy from the alternative cd - but it still insists on downloading a whole load of files anyway08:13
mnkie after the initial files it finds from the cd08:13
BlueParrot mnk because it is Beta which is soon to be released there will be a lot of changes made to the packages , so even if you got the CD very recently there is still a chance some files on there are "old"08:15
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mnkany help will be appreciated08:15
daylighterhow do I move a directory?08:16
mnkoic BlueParrot08:16
daylighteror do I have to copy08:16
BlueParrotdaylighter: mv08:16
mnkbut is there any way of just upgrading to all the files on the cd?08:16
daylighterhow do I move a directory with mv?08:16
BlueParrotdaylighter: type: man mv ina terminal for more info08:16
_dan_mv sourcedir destdir08:16
mnkcos if i disable my net connection - the install fails cos it wants me to download stuff08:16
BlueParrotdaylighter: the man command is probably the most useful comand there is08:16
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_dan_but u should *really* know that when your using a beta version of ubuntu08:16
daylighterBlueParrot: yes indeed08:16
ratpoisongutsy amd64. My oofice impress and base won't start! http://pastebin.com/m3ea0321208:17
daylightermv: inter-device move failed: `/media/disk-1/home/james' to `/media/disk/james'; unable to remove target: Is a directory08:17
BlueParrotmnk: I don't know to be honest08:17
mnkok thanks BlueParrot anyway08:17
mnkcan anyone else help pls?08:17
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mnkany help will be appreciated08:18
BlueParrotmnk: I don't think what you want to do is easily doable without mirroring the entire repository tbh08:18
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ratpoisonwhy not rsyncing the iso file you download and THEN burn it08:18
mnkbut the whole point of the alternative install is for those who don't have net or whatever right08:18
BlueParrotmnk: why don't you just upgrade over the network ?08:18
ratpoison(total syntax mess, but anyway)08:18
mnkcos it is taking yeeeeeeeeears08:19
BlueParrotmnk: yes, but it is an alternative _install_ I don't think it is meant for upgrades08:19
mnkusually my conxn is faster but having some major isp problems08:19
BlueParrotmnk: if you have problems with the net connection I wouldn't recomend upgrading to the beta tbh ...08:19
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mnk   3.08:20
mnkUpgrading using the alternate CD/DVD08:20
mnkUse this method if the system being upgraded is not connected to the Internet.08:20
BlueParrotah , ok08:20
BlueParrotit complaisn it can't find certain packages ?08:21
ratpoisonyeah, but how good an idea is it to install a beta version in a pc with a bad connection? It is going to need updates by definition, and you won't get them... how about going for the stable or waiting08:21
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mnki don't mind waiting for updates08:22
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mnkbut i am wondering why the no-net install wants me to have a net conxn08:22
BlueParrotmnk: you realise that the beta working flawlessly is pretty much the exception rather than the rule, right ?08:22
mnkyeah i know dudes08:22
ratpoisonor rather the whole point of having a beta :p08:22
BlueParrotmnk: it might be a bug with your version of the alternate CD ... it is called Beta for a reason ...08:22
mnkbut aren't we supposed to try to get it to work :) ?08:23
ratpoisonyup, file a bug report on launchpad :)08:23
mnkwill do08:23
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BlueParrotmnk: what error does it give you ?08:23
mnkit says that it can't connect to the net08:23
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mnkleme paste my sources.list08:23
BlueParrotuhm use pastebin08:24
mnki am wondering if i have extra stuff in there that i shouldn't have08:24
BlueParrotahhh, yes, if you have regular sources in there ( i.e not the CD ) then it might be complaining it can't connect to those08:24
KalElHi... I am running 7.04 32 bit version now, can I update to a 64-bit version of Gusty?08:24
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ratpoisonhow bout nano -w /etc/apt/sources.list (or whatever) and commenting the lines that have to do with a net connection?08:25
BlueParrotKalEl: I'm not sure, but it sounds like something which would cause you pain :P08:25
mnkwhich lines are they ratpoison08:25
mnkdeb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted08:25
mnkdeb-src http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted08:25
mnkthings like that?08:25
mnkanything with http at the beg?08:26
KalElOk your advice well taken, I will then update to 32-bit version only?08:26
ratpoisonmnk: sec08:26
fangoriouswhat's the recommended way to use an updated video driver on a livedvd image?08:26
BlueParrotmnk: uhm yea, try commenting out all the lines except the CD08:26
ratpoisonpretty much all the ones that contain http08:26
ratpoisonadd a #08:27
BlueParrotmnk: also, that sources.list can be heavily simplified :P08:27
ratpoisonalso: upgrading with automatix (or using it for that matter) is NOT recommended08:27
usserKalEl u can back up your home directory and just install gutsy copying the contents of your home back08:27
ratpoisonI know it's a pain, but it can really screw up your upgrade process08:28
mnkratpoison: i used it ages ago08:28
mnkand it just stayed there08:28
usserKalEl that is if u dont have a lot of programs installed08:28
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mnkok here goes08:28
MetaMorfoziShi all08:28
MetaMorfoziShas anybody synaptics touchpad?08:29
KalElThe moment I opened the update-manager, it greeted me with an Upgrade button :)08:29
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BlueParrotmnk: I have 6 lines in my sources.list , and 3 of them is for source code :P08:29
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mnki dunno man08:29
mnksometimes i think i need to do a fresh reinstall08:29
mnkbut i did somethign stupid when i first installed dapper08:29
ratpoisontbh distribution upgrade needs LOADS of work08:30
mnki didn't put /home in a sep partition08:30
BlueParrotmnk: dooooooooh08:30
mnkit is still trying to d/l some files08:30
BlueParrotmnk: did you remember to do an update first ?08:30
KalElI wish Gusty has support for NVidia GeForce 8600GTS card08:30
mnkno i didn't08:30
BlueParrot: )08:30
hetaumaI'm trying to edit an equation on a .doc written in M$office with open office and I get "Error activating object. General OLE error" any ideas ?08:30
napkinyo, any ideas when canonical commercial repo (ie, vmware server packages) will be available for gutsy?08:30
BlueParrotmnk: happens to the best of us :P08:31
mnkand the worst of us :$08:31
KalElThat's one of the reason I'm upgrading, 8600GTS gave me trouble with 7.04.08:31
scizzo-KalEl: I am using geforce 8600GTS08:31
mnkerr why is sudo apt-get update still d/l loads of files?08:31
scizzo-with dual monitors and compiz08:31
KalElscizzo-: cool! with acceleration? glxgears runs?08:31
BlueParrotmnk: btw, if you have free space on your HD there is no reason you can't just create another partition and copy your /home over there08:31
scizzo-KalEl: glxgears is not working as it should08:32
BlueParrotmnk: then use it as /home for a fresh install08:32
scizzo-KalEl: I belive that it makes it all goes nuts...but the rendering and so on is on08:32
mnki haven't :(08:32
mnkneed to buy a new drive08:32
ratpoisonhetauma: OLE is the system MSOffice uses to have office programmes interact. It's an MS specific portion of code and I don't now if it works on oofice08:32
KalElgreat... that alone justifies my urge to upgrade!!!08:32
scizzo-KalEl: haven't been checking through my xorg file that much yet...it works now though.. :D08:32
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KalElthanks for the information, scizzo-, if i have any trouble after upgrading, i hope to find you here :)08:32
BlueParrotmnk: it is downloading them of the CD at a guess08:33
mnkError authenticating some packages08:33
mnkIt was not possible to authenticate some packages. This may be a transient network problem. You may want to try again later. See below for a list of unauthenticated packages.08:33
BlueParrotmnk: try using update manager rather than apt-get08:33
scizzo-KalEl: well I just added a few extra things...I am suppose to work more with it and put it on my website...but well the site is not done yet08:33
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BlueParrot*upgrade manager08:33
mnkhold on08:33
mnkthe apt-get just uncommented out some of the lines!08:33
ratpoisontry aptitude08:34
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hetaumaratpoison, :( bad news for me08:34
BlueParrotmnk: lol08:34
KalElscizzo-: ok... if ur site is half complete, still i'd love to see it08:34
mnkgksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade"  <-- that is what i am supposed to do right?08:34
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ERGLupinfor some reason the amd64 version of Gutsy Beta isnt booting on my PC but it did on my macbook08:34
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KalElhow would i go about upgrading to 64-bit from 32-bit?08:35
scizzo-KalEl: there is no info on it yet08:35
BlueParrotmnk: I have no idea, always do netinstalls or fresh installs of a CD08:35
ratpoisonERGLupin: did you check your BIOS?08:35
ERGLupinwhat about it?08:36
ERGLupini dont have an option for 64bit on/off if thats what you mean08:36
ratpoisonERGLupin: maybe your BIOS isn't configured to check for boot devices on your drive(s)08:36
BlueParrotERGLupin: what do you mean it "isn't booting" , when does it fail ?08:37
BlueParrotERGLupin: and how ...08:37
ERGLupinit shows the menu08:37
ERGLupinstart UBUNTU/install08:37
ERGLupinsafe graphics mode08:37
BlueParrotah, GRUB ?08:37
ERGLupinand Ive tried both normal and safe graphics08:37
ERGLupinthis is from the CD08:37
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BlueParrotERGLupin: what happens when it fails, and when does it fail ?08:38
ERGLupinafter that my monitor goes off08:38
ERGLupinbut the disc keeps spinning08:38
BlueParroteh ?08:38
ERGLupinjust like norma08:38
BlueParrotwhen you make a selection ?08:38
ERGLupinby off I mean like um its asleep08:38
KalElHi... for some reason the Distribution Upgrade process has stopped at "Modifying software channels" where it says "Fetching file 28 of 42" with a complete bar08:38
KalElshould i cancel it?08:38
BlueParrotERGLupin: so when you select a boot option you lose all video output ?08:38
ERGLupinyes that would be a better description08:39
ratpoisonERGLupin: I've had a similar problem, but it turned out to be a burnt M/board08:39
BlueParrotERGLupin: bug report time I think ...08:39
ERGLupinyeah my mobo is fine08:39
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ERGLupinbrand new and VItsa/XP still works fine08:39
BlueParrotERGLupin: file a bug report, and make sure you state all hardware you have installed + BIOS settings etc ...08:40
ERGLupinwhere do I due that?08:40
BlueParrothmm, what is the ubotu comand again ?08:40
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots08:40
BlueParrotthat was scarily intuiative08:41
BlueParrotI mean it should at least be something like !bg-report --help08:42
ratpoisonBlueParrot: have you had problems with your oofice?08:42
BlueParrotratpoison: not recently08:42
BlueParrotratpoison: but I haven't really tried it on Gutsy08:42
ratpoisoncould you try starting impress or base?08:42
BlueParrotuhm, ok, I have only ever used writer :P08:43
BlueParrotwhat comand is it ?08:43
ratpoisonwriter and calc work for me, but....08:43
ratpoisonooffice -base I guess08:43
BlueParrotgot the splash screen08:44
ratpoisonit complains about bad pointers08:44
BlueParrotseems to work just fine08:44
BlueParrot** (process:7415): WARNING **: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit ...08:45
BlueParrotit did start thou08:45
ratpoisonhttp://pastebin.com/m3ea03212 is what I get08:45
BlueParrotratpoison: fun ...08:45
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BlueParrotseems to work just fine here08:46
ratpoisonI'm suspecting problem with the fglrx, since it says: glibc6 detected, which was installed by the restricted drivers manager08:46
BlueParrotyea, I'm using the FLOSS driver for a Radeon 9200 SE08:47
jussi01is there another way to get flashplugin-nonfree than the repos? I hate this... every time I try it takes forever to download08:47
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KalElit is taking a long time in fetching file 28 of 42 at modifying the software channels08:47
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BlueParrotjussi01: I think you can download it from their website08:47
threethirtyhello all08:47
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BlueParrotjussi01: or one version of it at least08:48
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KalElthe bar goes all the way and then it rolls back...08:48
BlueParrotKalEl: : /08:48
ratpoisonBlueParrot: any suggestions? :)08:49
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ratpoisonis it wise to remove glibc?08:49
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BlueParrotratpoison: heh, no I don't think so :P08:49
Ace2016Hi all08:49
cj_where can i download the most recent gutsy snapshot?08:50
Ace2016anyone know if gusty has an xcb enabled xorg??08:50
BlueParrotratpoison: I think that is one of those packages aptitude forces you to type "I realise this is a very bad idea" in order to remove08:50
cj_is there not a CD rather than a DVD?08:50
BlueParrotratpoison: what card are you using ? Is it old enough to work with the OSS driver ?08:51
BlueParrotratpoison: you could try that for a start08:51
ratpoisontoo bad I have a new card08:51
threethirtywhere can i find a beryl-manager -esque preference editor for compiz fusion08:51
KalElwhat can i do what can i do :( i guess i have to wait till the full release?08:51
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ratpoisoncj_ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/Procedures08:52
KalElcan i paste?08:52
KalElFailed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/Release.gpg08:52
KalElFailed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz208:52
KalElFailed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/restricted/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz208:52
KalElFailed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz208:52
KalElFailed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/multiverse/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz208:52
KalElFailed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/universe/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz208:52
BlueParrotratpoison: heh, well I haven't even tried using fglrx since about 3 years ago : )08:52
KalElFailed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/Release.gpg08:52
KalElFailed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/main/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz208:52
KalElFailed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/restricted/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz208:52
KalElFailed to fetch http://in.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-updates/universe/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz208:52
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BlueParrotKalEl: don't paste lots of text08:52
ratpoisonKalEl: use pastebin plz08:52
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)08:52
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KalEli will use pastebin from next time, i apologize08:53
Ace2016did KalEl just get banned? so he can't come back if he exits right?08:53
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ratpoisonthreethirty: use synaptic try advanced compiz config and you'll get it08:53
ratpoisonI don't remember which one it is08:53
PiciAce2016: No, that was a mute.08:53
Ace2016ah ok08:54
threethirtyratpoision, ty08:54
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KalElwhile trying to upgrade, i'm getting this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39287/08:54
ratpoisonthreethirty: compizconfig-settings-manager08:55
Ace2016is it just me or did gusty get renamed?08:55
BlueParrotwas I the only one who got a flawless upgrade ? :P08:55
Ace2016no, the others are not in a support channel looking for hel08:56
KalElit is now telling me "your system is up-to-date" and the upgrade button is gone :(08:56
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ratpoisonKalEl try sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade08:57
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ratpoisonmaybe there was something wrong with your network08:57
BlueParrotHeck, if it ought to break for SOMEBODY it ought to have been me. I am running KDE apps under Xfce , have a wireless card which requires proprietary firmware, and an ATI card ... that it "just works" on my box doesn't feel right somehow ...08:57
KalElman i can't wait to get gusty running... i even bought a 8600GTS and "Roller Coaster Tycoon 3D" to play with it08:57
Artemis3i have a little problem, sound is not working with a via KM400... (vt82c686?) i did lspci but lspnp seems not installed... could this be?08:57
KalElok thanks08:58
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BlueParrotKalEl: you can start the upgrade manager from the menu iirc08:58
KalElthe button reappeared after i pressed 'Check' for updates a few times, i'm trying again08:58
BlueParrotKalEl: what desktop are you using ?08:58
Ace2016apps don't really care that much about the window manager08:58
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BlueParrotAce2016: yea, but konqueror and Amarok running on a system that doesn't have half of KDE ...08:59
ratpoisonAce2016: really? have you tried working matlab with ANY window manager and composite extension enabled?08:59
ERGLupinhmm thats weird BlueParrot i just downloaded and burned the i386 of the beta and its fine09:00
KalEli wonder what this file "28 of 42" is09:00
KalElit again became slow there09:00
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BlueParrotERGLupin: oh well09:00
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ERGLupinand I know the cd is fine or was fine yesterday on my Macbook09:00
BlueParrotERGLupin: you don't need all those instructions anyway , do you ? :P09:01
BlueParrotsounds like a bug in the 64 bit version tbh ...09:01
ERGLupinor... maybe I spoke too soon wth09:01
KalEl28 of 42 looks like a borg designation :(09:01
ERGLupinthis time it boot all the way up to desktop09:01
BlueParrotthe update manager wants to install a new version of the wireless driver ...09:02
ERGLupinI saw the background then it stopped with graphic output again09:02
BlueParrotdo I feel lucky ?09:02
ERGLupinis it maybe cause I dont have speakers hooked up? I know that sounds stupid but... <.<09:02
ratpoisonwell imo i don't know if sound card can actually tell if they have speakers hooked up or not09:03
ERGLupinoh wait nvm it recovered and said "activation of org.gnome.SettingsDaemon timed out"09:03
KalElman... 28 of 42 keeps freezing the Distribution Upgrade system - no doubt 7 of 9 is more people's favourite09:04
BlueParrotratpoison: depends on the card I guess. Some of them sense if you have headphones connected ...09:04
ERGLupindoes anyone know off hand if that bug still exist on the nvidia-glx-new package?09:05
BlueParrotratpoison: think they measure the impedance or smth09:05
Ace2016BlueParrot: well most kde apps only need kde libs, and thats about it09:06
KalElis there any way to clean-sweep the installation process so far before retrying?09:06
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ratpoisonBlueParrot: if they had to do it some way, it would have to be that, but I have serious off topic concerns as an electronincs engineer on how that can be fail-safe09:06
BlueParrotAce2016: well they do bitch a lot about displays and throw up a bunch of warnings if you start them from a terminal09:06
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BlueParrotratpoison: I study nuclear physics, there's no such thing as fail-safe ; )09:07
Ace2016checked if they do the same in kde?09:07
ERGLupingparted plays nicely with NTFS partitions right?09:08
BlueParrotratpoison: it probably just measures the current at an inaudible signal and tries to guess what is connected09:08
ratpoisonERGLupin: to the extent of my experience it does09:08
joakim-anyone had problems with adobe flash installing properly?09:09
ratpoisonwhat do you get with bluetooth headphones, though? :p, or with bluetooth wiring to your stereo?09:09
joakim-well it installs alright, just doesnt work in firefox09:09
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ERGLupinhmm it didnt destroy my Vista partition but it might of my XP one09:09
BlueParrothmmm, does the "unattended-updates" package start on its own if you install it, or is it just there to be used if you decide you need it ?09:09
KalElcan't believe i'm pwned at the "Modifying the software channels" stage!09:09
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branstromAnyone got NVTV working with an NVIDIA card?09:10
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branstromIt says Fatal: no supported video card found09:10
spiderpighello yall09:10
spiderpigcan i put in a order for a gutsy gibbon cd right now?09:10
ERGLupinis swap partition suppose to be twice the size of your ram?09:10
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ERGLupinof was that Windows pagefile?09:11
BlueParrotoh btw, kudos to whoever changed the sudo password prompt, completely unneccessary and trivial improvements like that make me smile : )09:11
ratpoisonERGLupin: well, not anymore, I believe 2gbs or swap is pretty much enough09:11
ratpoisonfor normal desktop use09:11
cj_i should be able to boot an x86 cd on an amd64 machine shouldn't i?09:11
ratpoisonno matter how big your RAM is09:11
ERGLupinoh ok good 8GB seemed like a lot09:11
branstromratpoison: is there any configuration to change for that or could one just resize the swap partition and be done with it?09:12
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ratpoisonbranstrom: not to my awareness, although I bet that ther is. Can't gparted do it?09:13
branstromgparted only resizes the partition, right?09:13
branstromI was wondering if there was something else to do09:13
branstromso I don't fuck anything up09:13
spiderpigwhats new in gusty gibbon?09:14
ratpoisonbarnstrom: don't mistake me for a wizard, I've actually been using linux for about 6 months :)09:14
ERGLupinlol there is a list spiderpig09:14
ERGLupinwhat are you asking branstrom?09:14
spiderpigERGLupin hello sir. you know?09:14
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spiderpigis there some security issues that will be fixed in gusty gibbon?09:15
BlueParrothmm, who si Vadim Zeitlin and Scott Ritchie , and why are their keys in the default list for "trusted software providers" ?09:15
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BlueParrotto the google mobile ...09:15
extraany graphics gurus in here?09:15
branstromspiderpig: there are many many changes09:15
BlueParrotextra: define guru ...09:15
DanaGyay, an update.09:15
DanaGIt claims to add hardware acceleration.09:15
extramy xserver-xorg-video-intel isn't working since my upgrade to gutsy09:16
extraBlueParrot: someone with knowledge to make gutsy stop using vesa and start using xserver-xorg-video-intel09:16
BlueParrotextra: does it give you an error when it tries to start ?09:16
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branstromDanaG: does it render Flash movies faster? That's my main gripe.09:17
ratpoisonanyways. Time for me to scram09:17
DanaGI'll test it.09:17
KalEl<--- pwned09:17
ERGLupinlol just at Flash909:17
DanaGGive me a link to test.09:17
BlueParrotextra: try dmesg | grep intel    and see what it comes up with09:17
KalEli curse my bad luck09:17
KalEli suppose i will try it again tomorrow09:17
extraBlueParrot: Not anymore.. but when it first upgraded, the first thing that popped up was a black screen with the graphics applet in the center of the screen, asking me to configure it cause it didn't config right or something.. ok, doing that09:17
branstromsIFR gets unusable, for example09:17
branstromDanaG: http://fmsweden.se09:17
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branstromnot unusable, but close09:17
ERGLupinoh 9 is newest in Windows too09:18
extraBlueParrot:  dmesg | grep intel09:18
extra[   18.944000]  ieee80211: Copyright (C) 2004-2005 Intel Corporation <jketreno@linux.intel.com>09:18
extrathats it09:18
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BlueParrotwhat does your xorg.conf say ?09:18
BlueParrotabout the driver ...09:18
DanaGWow, that page is rather cpu-intensive when loading.09:18
KalElis there any non-graphical way to upgrade? sudo apt-get upgrade did not really work...09:19
KalElit ran normally but did 0 upgrades09:19
extraBlueParrot: well, it says vesa.. the graphics failed to configure stuff, and the only button that got me out of it was 'cancel' and then it said it was storing my conf to "xorg.conf.broken" .. but I restarted and I think it wrote over the .broken again09:19
BlueParrotKalEl: normally you use dist-upgrade between versions, and aptitude tends to be better at it than apt-get09:20
will__how can you do a video capture of the screen?09:20
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BlueParrotextra: hmm, ok09:20
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sin1how do I set pcmanfm as my default file manager?09:20
DanaGOh, I see: the new flash is a beta.09:21
BlueParrotextra: you had better talk to someone with experience with intel , I am on AMD09:21
DanaGSo the package won't do it.09:21
ERGLupinum AMD?09:21
extraBlueParrot: k.  sucks though.  you'd think this wouldn't happen when intel is the open driver09:21
ERGLupinAMD uses child labourers to produce lower quality CPUs that are mainly designed for hackers09:21
branstromDanaG: how is it going?09:22
BlueParrotERGLupin: well ATI for the graphics card... but having an AMD CPU sort of reduces the chance I'm using a intel chipset by a bit ; )09:22
ERGLupinread it and learn the facts09:22
BlueParrotextra: Gutsy is still in Beta , these thinsg happen. It would be worse if it was teh stable release09:22
zer0x`stupid question, for a x86 pentium 4, i want the i386 realease, right?09:23
extraBlueParrot: yea.. spose so.09:23
sin1anyone know how to set pcmanfm as my default file manager?09:23
extraworked fine in feisty09:23
BlueParrotERGLupin: most chipmakers have outsourced their actual pridcution09:23
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ERGLupinBlueParrot read that article09:23
ERGLupinits funny as hell09:23
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ERGLupinif it wasnt for the fact it is from 2001 I would think it was fake09:23
ERGLupinstill maybe09:24
BlueParrotERGLupin: heh, ah, this a bit like "shelly the republican" ?09:24
DanaGOh, I had to do a manual install.09:24
ERGLupinnever heard of that09:25
branstromDanaG: feel free to highlight me, I'm interested in your progress, but I think I'll install it myself too09:25
BlueParrotERGLupin: uh, hang on a sec09:25
ERGLupinis that like a satirical republican blog?09:25
ERGLupini found it09:25
BlueParrotERGLupin: I just realised ... :P09:25
BlueParrotERGLupin: I'm on intel atm :P09:26
DanaGWoah, the h.264 does seem to be accelerated.09:26
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)09:26
ERGLupin#8 way to tell if your son is  hacker09:26
ERGLupin8. Is your son obsessed with "Lunix"?09:26
radiusis that a lunar os?09:26
radiusonly works during a full moon ;p09:27
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ERGLupinyes the jews use it for their holy planning09:27
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panosruhi, how can i change the resolution of login screen?09:27
BlueParrotERGLupin: uhm, yea.. I'm on AMD ... uhm ... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39290/09:27
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ERGLupin...i really dont care lol09:27
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BlueParrotERGLupin: I totally forgot I fried my motherboard and had it replaced with a HP from my dad's work :P09:28
BlueParrotERGLupin: so I'm on a P4 at the moment09:28
BlueParrotonly realised because zer0x mentioned the P4 ...09:28
BlueParrotand I figured he could use i686 instead of i38609:28
ERGLupinyou keep telling me things I dont care to know09:28
BlueParrotwell I found it a bit amusing I yold extra to find someone who uses intel when I am in fact running on a P4 :P09:29
BlueParrotthou I guess I still don't use an intel GPU09:29
ERGLupini use a 8800GTX09:29
BlueParrotmy condolences :P09:30
ERGLupinwhy do I have your condolences?09:30
ERGLupindid someone I know die?09:30
ERGLupinor did I get fired from a job?09:30
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radiusthat's next week09:30
radiusBlueParrot, the 8800GTX spec... http://www.nvidia.com/page/geforce_8800.html09:31
ERGLupinyeah its "second" best09:31
BlueParrotbut but... free drivers ...09:31
ERGLupini say "second" cause the ULTRA isnt really that much better as its just a "We kick ass now and always" move by NVIDIA09:32
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ERGLupinfree drivers?09:32
ERGLupini dont pay for them09:32
BlueParrotmy Radeon 9200 have open source drivers in xorg : )09:32
ERGLupindont care09:32
superkiwiuhm, is the adept_anager --version upgrade abit unstable? I get bad checksums for the installer and then for the downloaded files it gets. And it also just closes. I'm trying to upgrade to kubuntu 7.10.09:33
ERGLupini like open source09:33
ERGLupinbut i dont demand it09:33
ERGLupinjust like I like pepsi09:33
ERGLupinbut if they ask if coke is ok I say yeah09:33
BlueParrotERGLupin: neither did I, except that you had to mess about with nVidia's crazy kernel hack to circumvent the GPL09:33
will__PNY have a 8800 GTX that is overclocked to ultra speeds for GTX prices09:34
ERGLupinwill__ I can do the same to mine in Software09:34
ERGLupinBlueParrot crazy kernel hack?09:34
ERGLupinyou mean go to synaptic09:34
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ERGLupinand download nvidia-glx-new?09:34
ERGLupinand tell restricted to use it?09:34
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BlueParrotERGLupin: the GPL means they can't stick the driver into the kernel, so instead they put a kernel module with some hooks in there09:34
superkiwiThe adept_manager crashes after it tells me that some of my programs is not longer supported. Bleh.09:34
will__its the pny 8800 gtx xlr809:35
ERGLupinwell apparently Linus Trovalous doesnt like the GPL anymore09:35
ERGLupinnot relevant at all09:35
BlueParrotERGLupin: and well, sometiems it has .. issues ...09:35
will__yes but ERGLupin you void your warranty and lose all support....09:35
ERGLupinjust felt like saying he is an idiot09:35
ERGLupinwill__ no09:35
ERGLupinNVIDIA supports OCing09:35
ERGLupinthey have their own tools for it09:35
will__not when you cook it hehe09:35
ERGLupinwell yeah09:35
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ERGLupinbut if you do it09:36
will__but yeah....everyone oc's...so I see your point09:36
ERGLupinand it breaks09:36
ERGLupinfrom something else09:36
ERGLupinits cool09:36
ERGLupinthe ULTRA is a waste of money09:36
BlueParrotERGLupin: actually Linus dissaproves of GPLv3 , and regardless it is not just his code in the kernel09:36
ERGLupini know and I think he is a retard for his reason09:36
ERGLupinsorry for being rude09:36
BlueParrotbut really, lets not start arguing about that...09:36
ERGLupinwhy do you agree with his reasoning?09:37
will__Linus this...Linus that.....09:37
ERGLupinI would of never pegged the father of Linux to be a DRM lover09:37
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stamenwho can help me to install proper codecs09:37
stamento watch .avi09:37
superkiwiGuys, my adept_manager --version_upgrade is crashing right after I get a message that some of my apps is not longer supported (and may be removed). But I now have 832 packages ready to be upgraded. Should I download the packages even though I won't 'install' them with the ksedu adept_manager --version_upgrade... ?09:37
ERGLupinVLC can09:38
stamenand other09:38
BlueParrotERGLupin: I don't, I was just pointing out that he isn't fundamentally opposed to the GPL or even GPLv3 , the "argument" is not quite as bad as some people make it out to be09:38
stamenyes but the picture is like scrambled09:38
ERGLupinin VLC?09:38
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sin1 anyone know how to set pcmanfm as my default file manager?09:38
stamenthere is voice and titles, but picture is scrambled09:38
ERGLupinwell VLC is codec free09:38
ERGLupinso its a problem with the AVI file id assume09:38
ERGLupinive read what he said09:39
ERGLupinthe "TiVo Clause"09:39
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ERGLupinthough really I forget what it was all about09:39
ERGLupincept he was pro DRM09:39
ERGLupinand in a world in which DRM is on the way out09:39
ERGLupinseemed weird09:39
BlueParrotstamen: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats I /think/ it still applies in Gutsy09:39
kane77hi there.. my boot stops at Starting MTA..09:40
hype_anyone having issue with alsa/PCM in mplayer ?09:40
hype_BlueParrot , you have a new package on gutsy: ubuntu-restricted-extras09:40
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BlueParrotERGLupin: Linus isn't pro DRM, I think he just found the anti-DRM clause in GPLv3 to be overly broad.09:40
stamenok I will try09:41
BlueParrothype_: surely you have that in feisty as well ?09:41
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BlueParrothype_: you sure about that? Because I installed a package called ubuntu-restricted-extras ...09:41
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hype_most of the packages it installs ARE available for feisty, but you dont have a handy package that installs them all :D09:41
BlueParrothype_: in fact, the page I linked to tells you to do so to get codecs on feisty09:41
ERGLupinTorvalds specifically objected to one new provision in the GPL 3 draft that opposes digital rights management, which is technology that uses encryption to control the use of content and running of software. "I think it's insane to require people to make their private signing keys available, for example. I wouldn't do it," he said.09:42
hype_ho, really?09:42
kane77well not actually stops, but certainly stalls for quite a while... what can I do?09:42
hype_thats good09:42
kane77what is MTA anyway?09:42
BlueParrotERGLupin: yes, if you read that you will see that his comment was not "I think DRM is fine" , that particular quote is taken out of context.09:43
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ERGLupini know09:43
ERGLupinim confused though09:43
ERGLupinif linux is open source09:43
stamenBlueParrot: no, this not works09:43
BlueParrotERGLupin: I think he basically misunderstood just what the anti-DRM clause is saying , or thinks it will have some implications that it won't09:43
ERGLupinhow does one man have the right to say if the kernel can be under which license?09:43
BlueParrotstamen: specifically how does it not work ?09:44
BlueParrotERGLupin: he doesn't , in fact, he couldn't say it should use GPLv3 if he wanted to09:44
stamenBlueParrot: http://pastebin.com/d64cf2c2209:45
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ERGLupinthats where the quote came from09:45
BlueParrotERGLupin: it boils down to copyright law, and because the kernel is a mess of code, some licensed GPLv2 or latter, some GPLv2 only, some GPL ( any version ) and some BSD , or some other crap... it is just a pain to sort it out ...09:45
ERGLupinno no I agree09:46
ERGLupinthe issue is his stance on DRM09:46
BlueParrotERGLupin: completely theoretically you would have to hunt down everyone who has copyright on code in the kernel and ask them for permission to change the license unless they used the "or latter" language.09:46
ERGLupinif you are going to use open source code I dont think you should be allowed to use DRM alongside it09:46
stamenBlueParrot: did you see what I send?09:47
BlueParrotERGLupin: again I agree, but there are different ways to go about that09:47
BlueParrotERGLupin: and I think Linus complaint was that the current GPLv3 clause would prohibit some legitimate things , i.e it is too broad09:47
BlueParrotERGLupin: I dunno if he is right, but it is not as if he is basically saying "I think DRM is all fine and dandy"09:48
ERGLupinwell there is nothing illegitimate with DRM09:48
BlueParrotyou know what I meant09:48
BlueParrotstamen: hang on a sec09:48