[04:03] <Rplata> If i follow the etherboot wiki will it still pxe boot for other clients?
[04:27] <sbalneav> Evening all
[04:27] <sbalneav> Rplata: The default config should automatically boot either etherboot or pxe
[04:33] <Rplata> Sbalneav i don't remember what the client said but it was something to the tune if not being able to load the image... It picked up the ip fine and knew the right dir.
[04:34] <sbalneav> What version of Edubuntu are you using?
[04:35] <Rplata> Gutsy
[04:36] <sbalneav> Hm.  That's troubling.
[04:36] <sbalneav> I'll have to test tonight.
[04:36] <sbalneav> Can you get me the exact error?
[04:37] <Rplata> Ok cool. Not now my server is an hour away...
[04:38] <Rplata> I'll pop on tomorrow though.
[04:41] <Rplata> Sbalneav know where a good dhcpd.conf guide is?
[04:49] <sbalneav> man dhcpd.conf?
[04:49] <sbalneav> :)
[04:49] <sbalneav> Lots of 'em/
[04:49] <sbalneav> Edubuntu handbook, ltsp wiki, etc.
[04:50] <Rplata> Ok thx
[07:21] <gotama> Hi. I have installed edubuntu with ltsp support. When I try to play a sound in the thin client it uses the speaker of the server. (wavesurfer, kedit, audacity, gnoise-gnome) Is there any solution. xmms works fine but its response is to slow. Help please.
[10:25] <SETKEH-NRNS> http://setkeh.bravehost.com/linux.htm for info on the teamspeak server i run for linux
[03:05] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:16] <sbalneav> ogra: Hey, just merged your changed.  Was that me who fouled up the quoting?
[03:18] <ogra> yes ... but it wasnt that critical though, it only affected people building multiple chroots
[03:19] <ogra> i guess thats why we didnt get a bug about it :)
[03:19] <ogra> hmm
[03:19] <ogra> NM cant decide for a network ...
[03:19] <ogra> its constantly flipping
[03:20] <ogra> (very funny though, it thinks i'm offline :) )
[03:20] <sbalneav> How's the cd images going?  Better?  Or business still intruding?
[03:20] <ogra> i'm just running a vbox install to work on it
[03:20] <ogra> i can only work on the script inside the installer
[03:21] <ogra> the prob here is if it fails once and the debconf UI on tty1 is borked i fully have to start over
[03:21] <ogra> which teakes 1h every time to get to the same state
[03:22] <sbalneav> yuk
[03:22] <ogra> yeah
[03:22] <ogra> well, lots of spare time to look at other stuff ...
[03:22] <ogra> its just very annoying to wait that long to try your next change
[03:43] <RichEd> hi ogra ... having connection problems ? or rebooting ?
[03:44] <ogra> RichEd, network manager not liking me today
[03:45] <ogra> sbalneav, hmm
[03:45] <sbalneav> back, btw
[03:45] <ogra> the lts.conf we ship generates an error from getltscgf
[03:45] <sbalneav> Because it's completely empty?
[03:45] <ogra> (it onl yhas comments in it by default)
[03:45] <sbalneav> right
[03:45] <ogra> yeah
[03:45] <sbalneav> I noticed that
[03:46] <sbalneav> Well, we got 2 choices:
[03:46] <ogra> i wonder what i could put in there
[03:46] <sbalneav> 1) start changing code
[03:46] <ogra> no option now
[03:46] <sbalneav> ok, then 2)
[03:46] <sbalneav> [default] 
[03:46] <sbalneav>   Sound=True
[03:46] <ogra> hmm
[03:46] <sbalneav>   Localdev=True
[03:46] <sbalneav> :)
[03:46] <ogra> nah
[03:47] <ogra> how about SERVER=$SERVER :P
[03:47] <sbalneav> Well, then we need to fix getltscfg then.
[03:47] <sbalneav> We can't put env variables in lts.conf can we?
[03:47] <sbalneav> I don't think so.
[03:47] <sbalneav> SCREEN_07=ldm?
[03:48] <sbalneav> Wonder if just a:
[03:48] <ogra> FOO=bar :)
[03:48] <sbalneav> [default] 
[03:48] <sbalneav> would work?
[03:48] <ogra> why nor
[03:48] <sbalneav> i.e. and empty header.
[03:48] <ogra> *not
[03:48] <sbalneav> That'd be the simplest
[03:48] <ogra> empty header wont, no
[03:48] <ogra> tried that
[03:48] <ogra> it needs values
[03:50] <ogra> how about: LTS_CONF_DIE_DIE_DIE=True :)
[03:55] <sbalneav> Do you just want to patch getltscfg?
[03:55] <sbalneav> Is this a bug?
[03:56] <ogra> i guess it requires to much atm
[03:56] <ogra> [default] 
[03:56] <ogra>   LTSP="5.0.35"
[03:56] <ogra> how about that ?
[03:56] <sbalneav> Sure
[03:56] <sbalneav> I'll file a bug though, so we fix it for next time.
[03:57] <ogra> or lets rather call it LTSP_VERSION :)
[03:57] <sbalneav> right.
[03:57] <sbalneav> yeah, better
[03:57] <ogra> and generate it dynamically from ltsp-build-client
[03:57] <sbalneav> That's a nice touch
[03:58] <sbalneav> Hey, in launchpad, how come I can't change the PRIORITY of the bug? i.e. make something wishlist, or low, or high, etc?
[03:58] <ogra> you cant ?
[03:59] <ogra> what do you try to do so ?
[04:02] <sbalneav> Well, for instance, Bug #109270
[04:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 109270 in ltsp "[FR]  user list in ldm" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109270
[04:02] <sbalneav> I'd like to make it "low" or "wishlist"
[04:03] <sbalneav> but when I click on the "importance" dropdown, it's just greyed out, and I can't change it :)
[04:06] <sbalneav> ok, filed a bug for that.
[04:06] <ogra> you cant click it ?
[04:06] <ogra> its greyed out here as well, but its a link that opens the details
[04:07] <ogra> did you disable javascript in your browser by chance ?
[04:09] <ogra> ogra@laptop:~$ LTSP_VERSION=$(dpkg-query -f='${Version}\n' -W ltsp-server)
[04:09] <ogra> ogra@laptop:~$ echo $LTSP_VERSION
[04:09] <ogra> 5.0.31
[04:09] <ogra> :)
[04:11] <sbalneav> Nope
[04:12] <sbalneav> my javascript's enabled.
[04:12] <sbalneav> when I drop it down, the info's just got a little crossed out pencil next to it.
[04:15] <ogra> are you not logged in ?
[04:21] <sbalneav> Yep, I'm logged in
[04:22] <sbalneav> Launhpad doesn't like me :)
[04:24] <bddebian> Heya
[04:31] <sbalneav> ogra: libnss-extrausers
[04:32] <ogra> phew ...
[04:32] <ogra> i woder if there is a way to get that into main easily :)
[04:32] <ogra> but thats hardy anyway :)
[04:33] <bddebian> ogra: Do you know much about gnome-panel?
[04:33] <ogra> bddebian, i can read source code :)
[04:33] <ogra> whats the issue ?
[04:35] <bddebian> Well so can I but ari (the brightside maintainer) is telling me that gnome-panel uses gconf to tell xscreensaver vs gnome-screensaver.  But I don't see that anywhere in the code.
[04:35] <bddebian> All I see is if it's in the path it use gnome-screensaver first
[04:35] <ogra> it doesnt afaik
[04:37] <bddebian> That's what I thought
[04:42] <bddebian> ogra: This is all I see in gnome-panel:
[04:42] <bddebian>         if (panel_is_program_in_path ("gnome-screensaver-command")
[04:42] <bddebian>             && panel_is_program_in_path ("gnome-screensaver-preferences"))
[04:42] <bddebian>                 use_gscreensaver = TRUE;
[04:42] <bddebian>         else if (!panel_is_program_in_path ("xscreensaver-command"))
[04:42] <bddebian>                 return NULL;
[04:42] <ogra> right
[04:42] <bddebian> That's weak
[04:43] <ogra> well, as i said yesterday, xss doesnt have any autostart stuff ...
[04:43] <ogra> so you cant expecti it to run by default even if its there
[04:44] <bddebian> Aye fair enough
[04:45] <bddebian> But isn't that code essentially saying if gnome-screensaver-command is in the path use it, even if xscreensaver is running?
[04:45] <ogra> hmm, right
[04:46] <ogra> it means always prefer gss
[04:46] <bddebian> OK
[05:19] <joebaker> Edubuntu finally suspends and resumes ok with the beta on my laptop.  Hibernate works too.  Although Wifi needs to be re-established with Network manager after the restart.
[05:20] <joebaker> Referring to the beta of Gutsy.
[05:21] <ogra> sounds good
[05:21] <ogra> NM is being worked on afaik
[05:26] <joebaker> I know of a monitor brand AOC that wasn't listed in the earlier Screens and Monitors customization menu.  I hope to get this figured out.  The system keeps trying to set my home display to 1600x1200, which displays on the monitor, but the monitor has this floating window that says display is out of range.  It's one of those tiltable monitors.
[06:20] <Penberthy> anyone here who can help me with the xdmcp
[06:22] <joebaker> Penberthy:  I think I could help you.
[06:37] <joebaker> Penberthy:  Are you still looking for xdmcp help?
[06:37] <Penberthy> yeah
[06:37] <Penberthy> umm its not letting the client connect fully
[06:38] <Penberthy> goes to a grey screen with the x cursor
[06:42] <joebaker> ok...  /etc/hosts.allow   I'm checking my configuration..
[06:42] <Penberthy> ....
[06:42] <joebaker> oh, mine has ALL:ALL  in there.
[06:43] <joebaker> did this work before or are you just starting to get XDMCP to work?
[06:44] <Penberthy> just starting
[06:44] <joebaker> Is there a reason you are not using LDM instead of XDMCP?
[06:45] <Penberthy> LDM?
[06:45] <joebaker> Maybe this shows my ignorance stating it the way I did.
[06:45] <joebaker> Are your workstations LTSP thin clients?
[06:45] <joebaker> Or Full blown installations?
[06:45] <Penberthy> no their thick clients
[06:46] <joebaker> OK.
[06:46] <joebaker> LDM tunnels an X session through ssh encryption.
[06:46] <joebaker> Designed to be much more secure than X over the network.
[06:46] <joebaker> Are you runnign Feisty or Gutsy?
[06:47] <Penberthy> I think feisty
[06:47] <joebaker> On the server:   System ->  Adminsitration -> Login Window.
[06:48] <joebaker> Have you configured this to allow remote logins?
[06:48] <Penberthy> yeah
[06:49] <joebaker> On the Remote tab, there is that XDMCP box.
[06:49] <Penberthy> yeah already configured that stuff
[06:49] <joebaker> I would advise AGAINST enabling the "Accessibility" feature.
[06:49] <joebaker> I had problems with that that caused it to not work.
[06:49] <Penberthy> not enabled, no handicap here
[06:50] <joebaker> logs.  Lets see if there are any log entries on the server.
[06:51] <Penberthy> its in the other room hold on
[06:57] <joebaker> Here's a troubleshooting URL  some things to consider... http://support.attachmate.com/techdocs/1229.html
[06:59] <Penberthy> there is no log about someone tryin to connect via xdmcp
[07:01] <joebaker> I couldn't find one either...
[07:01] <joebaker> :(
[07:02] <joebaker> There must be a logging option that isn't enabled.   But lets try the suggestions in the article...  Here's a command to try.
[07:02] <joebaker> nmap server_IP -sU
[07:02] <joebaker> run that from the thick client.  Make sure UDP port 177 is shown.
[07:03] <joebaker> 177/udp   open|filtered    xdmcp
[07:04] <joebaker> nmap server_IP
[07:05] <joebaker> I have 177/udp open but not 6000/tcp.
[07:07] <joebaker> If you have a firewall enabled on the server, you'll need to adjust it to open up that port and possibly more for your clients.
[07:07] <Penberthy> hold on, working some other issues
[07:18] <Penberthy> 177 is not listed
[07:34] <Penberthy> joe you there
[07:52] <stgraber> RichEd: Will we be having a meeting tomorrow ? (if yes at what time ?)
[07:52] <stgraber> RichEd: ubotu doesn't know, fridge neither and wiki doesn't help on that
[07:54] <joebaker> Penberthy:  I'm mid-way through lunch.   Maybe GDM needs to be restarted.
[07:54] <joebaker> It will kill your current desktop session.
[07:55] <joebaker> If you restart GDM on the server.
[07:55] <ogra> stgraber, last week was a an early one iirc ... so 20:00 UTC
[07:55] <ogra> or no, last week was the late one
[07:57] <Penberthy> joe just my desktop or everyone connected
[07:57] <stgraber> hmm, right last one was on Beta's day just after we discovered the ethX bug :)
[07:58] <ogra> yep
[07:58] <ogra> so its 14:00 UTC
[07:59] <ogra> stgraber, i'm about to fix the progressbar bug btw :)
[08:00] <stgraber> yeah :)
[08:03] <joebaker> Penberthy ... Everyone connected I believe via XDMCP or with a local X login on the server.  This is what restarting GDM would mean.  There might be a reload signal you could send it instead of restarting.
[08:04] <joebaker> Do you have a firewall on the server that might be interfering?
[08:07] <Penberthy> I have no extra software installed
[08:15] <joebaker> I'd summize that GDM is not offering XDMCP on your server Penberthy.
[08:15] <joebaker> I'm presuming that you're using GDM.
[08:17] <Penberthy> yes
[08:27] <joebaker> Is anybody using an X desktop from the server?  If not, restart GDM.
[10:00] <joebaker> test
[10:26] <JordanC> Hi joebaker
[10:43] <stgraber> ogra: Tomorrow daily should have the progressbar fix right ?
[10:43] <ogra> not completely
[10:44] <ogra> it will stop at 96% in the second progress bar but i need that to debug the update-inetd
[10:44] <ogra> it chokes on that (i guess it will be only a debconf setting i need to change)
[10:45] <ogra> so tomorrows build wont install but show a pretty progress :)
[10:45] <ogra> 20070903 should then be fine for that part :)
[10:45] <ogra> err
[10:45] <ogra> 20070903.1
[10:46] <ogra> its on my todo for tomorrow
[10:46] <ogra> anyway, i'll call it a day and have a look if my TV still exists :)
[10:47] <LaserJock> bye ogra
[10:48] <ogra> hey LaserJock
[10:48] <ogra> didnt see you joining
[11:14] <LaserJock> ogra: hmm, I should update the screenshots for the Addon CD
[11:14] <ogra> yeah
[11:14] <ogra> still time for fixes :)
[11:14] <ogra> i need to fix the artwork credits ...
[11:14] <ogra> and still hope for RicdEd to get me the widescreen wallpaper from jill
[11:16] <LaserJock> we should also check TCM screenshots as well
[11:16] <ogra> it didnt change since feisty
[11:16] <ogra> at least ui wise
[11:17] <ogra> i only made sure there are no regressions in functionallity
[11:17] <LaserJock> k
[11:17] <ogra> anyway, as i said before, i'll call it a day :)
[11:17] <joebaker> hi JordanC
[11:17] <ogra> only 12h today ... i'm getting better
[11:17] <LaserJock> yep, sleep well and dream of complete handbooks ;-)
[11:18] <ogra> (even though GF is already snoring next to me :) )
[11:18] <JordanC> :D
[11:19] <JordanC> My GF snores over the phone :-/
[11:19] <LaserJock> lol
[11:20] <LaserJock> I feel asleep once talking to my then GF on the phone
[11:20] <LaserJock> she married me anyway so I guess it wasn't too bad
[11:20] <JordanC> Heh, I have commitment issues
[11:22] <joebaker> I'm noticing a problem with crossover office.  /opt/cxoffice/bin/cxmessage --help  If it hangs for about 1.5 minutes you are seeing the same symptom that I am.
[11:23] <JordanC> To be honest, I can't help you -- never use proprietary stuff
[11:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> joebaker, strace it?
[11:25] <joebaker> thanks.  I'll try that.
[11:27] <joebaker> /opt/cxoffice/lib/tcl8.4/encoding/iso8859-11.enc  It keeps saying this file doesn't exist.  Now I have something useful to report to Crossover.
[11:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> does it exist?
[11:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> `ls -lh /opt/cxoffice/lib/tcl8.4/encoding/iso8859-11.enc`
[11:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> joebaker, running feisty?
[11:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> you might need the tcl8.4 package
[11:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> anyhow, afk :) good luck with it
[11:31] <joebaker> Feisty.  Yes.  There is a tcl directory, but not a tc.8.4 directory.  Most everything is working.