nixternalhow so?12:55
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jeroenvrphey are we going to have a kde 3.5.8 release?01:26
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jjesseevening :)01:33
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jeroenvrpfound this page http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_7to3_5_8.php01:45
jeroenvrpanyone: is kde 3.5.8 going to be part of Gutsy, so early before oct 18?!01:46
DaSkreechWill networkmanager 0.7 ship in Gutsy?01:54
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jeroenvrpDaSkreech: not according this list http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=network-manager+&searchon=names&subword=1&version=gutsy&release=all01:57
DaSkreech Blast :-)02:04
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jjessemorning jussio102:10
jjessemorning Jucato02:10
Jucatoheheh good morning! :)02:11
Jucatoyou got it right :)02:11
Jucatoand good evening for you :P02:11
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jeroenvrphttp://extragear.kde.org/apps/yakuake/ 2.8 final is t02:16
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jeroenvrphopefully it wileplace the beta version in gutsy02:17
jeroenvrpanyone: is kde 3.5.8 going to be part of Gutsy, so early before oct 18?!02:17
JucatoI'm not sure if there are big significant changes between the beta and the final. I'll have to ask the maintainer (if he's still awake)02:19
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Jucatobut since we're on freeze already, I wonder if we could still do a version bump....02:20
jjessei think the worst coffee known to man is hotel coffee02:20
jeroenvrpJucato: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Yakuake?content=29153 forthe chanlog and iyis always  good void beta's02:20
Jucatoheh Changes *since* 2.8-beta1... he has to choose his words better :P02:22
Jucatoor at least be more consistent...02:22
Jucatojjesse: I have not yet had the pleasure/displeasure of experiencing living/dining in a hotel :)02:23
jeroenvrpJucato: but what about kde 3.5.802:23
jjesseJucato: i'm a consualtant -- on the road 3 out every 4 weeks02:23
jeroenvrpit seems a pre-version is accepted02:23
Jucatojjesse: I've noticed...02:23
jeroenvrpI doubt that is a good thing02:24
jjessei have over 110 nights in a hotel since march 1st02:24
jeroenvrpoh well02:24
Jucatojeroenvrp: you'll have to ask Riddell about 3.5.8... but I'm not sure if it will make it for Gutsy. perhaps kubuntu.org packages after gutsy02:24
Jucatojjesse: wow... :)  :(  :/02:24
jjessetell me about it02:25
Jucatojjesse: wow... :)  :(  :/ <--- telling you about it02:25
jjessegrin :)02:25
jjesseJucato: we should somehow get together in real life, i think we would have fun hanging out02:26
Jucatosure! tell me when you're in the neighborhood :)02:26
jeroenvrpJucato: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-October/subject.html02:26
jeroenvrpallthough I only see language packages (yet)02:27
Jucatoyou'll have to ask Riddell. safe answer :)02:28
jeroenvrpJucato: yeah I know, I will ask tomorrow02:28
Jucatocoz I don't think it would be very nice to ship with kde-3.5.8-svn :)02:28
jeroenvrp3.5.8 will be sent to the packagers on the 7th and released if all is fine, on the 15th02:29
jeroenvrpso no svn, but very close to the 18th02:29
Hobbseeprobbaly depends on how stable, etc it is02:37
Jucatobecause we'd have to ask for exception for it right?02:37
Jucatoand morning Hobbsee! :)02:37
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jjessedid everyone drop connection?02:44
Hobbseethere was a netsplit, yes02:45
jjessehello Hobbsee02:46
JucatoI just love these netsplits! :)02:46
Jucatohi Hobbsee!!!!! :)02:46
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Hobbseehi Jucato!02:49
jjessewow they sure don't make it easy sometimes to book the flight you want to book02:52
DaSkreechI lived :)02:56
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HobbseeO.O  http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2007/10/yes-sarah-im-still-alive.html02:57
HobbseeDaSkreech: klined?  nah...02:57
DaSkreechHobbsee: Mispelt Sarah02:58
HobbseeDaSkreech: that wasnt what i was looking at02:58
DaSkreechHis poke at Aussie?02:59
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nixternalwell hello there03:12
nixternal90% complete on my super duper, multi-threaded, high speed, distributable address book03:13
nixternaljava rox!03:13
nixternalhowdy jjesse03:13
jjessehowdy nixternal03:13
nixternalyou want the office last week?03:13
jjesseme?  yeah i loved the office last week03:13
Jucatowe should be updating !nixternal soon :)03:13
nixternalhahaha...I watched it, and actually liked that show03:13
nixternalJucato: update it to what?03:14
Jucatoadd java-loving :)03:14
nixternalJava is nice03:14
nixternalit is perfect for code dummies like me03:14
Jucatoyou? code  dummy? c'mon! :P03:14
DaSkreechWeren't we just talking about Hotel java?03:15
nixternaloh ya, that is why I am taking c++ classes...I need to knock the rust off03:15
jjesseanyone running kde4 and getting KNotify crash notices every 2 minutes or so?03:15
jjesseDaSkreech: yes we were talking about hotel coffee :)03:15
nixternalI used to code c++ in the 90s, but what I did was totally different than what we are familiar with03:15
Jucatoespresso would be nice right now...03:15
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jjesselove this bug #14786503:20
ubotuLaunchpad bug 147865 in knetdockapp "Knetdockapp only shows packets on Kubuntu 7.10 Beta" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14786503:20
jjessewrong one03:20
jjessebug #14786403:21
ubotuLaunchpad bug 147864 in ubuntu "Profanity in error message" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14786403:21
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DaSkreechdamn can You get someone's e-mail from a blogger profile?03:22
Jucato"Indeed this is from the SucKIT rootkit; the ostentatious usage of the f-word in error messages is a real giveaway. Pull the network cable please, your system has been compromised."  - hahah :)03:23
Jucatopoor guy03:23
jjesseyeah i saw that03:23
DaSkreechNo one wears a kilt quite like Jonathan03:26
DaSkreechah ha!03:28
DaSkreechtell me where you got your quote and I'll tell you where I got mine!03:28
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Jucatonixternal: congrats on the Dot article :)03:43
DaSkreechWhy would a rootkit announce itself?03:46
nixternalwhy thank you03:53
DaSkreechOk so I updated Emacs04:10
DaSkreechto 2204:10
DaSkreech but 21 still starts04:10
DaSkreechhow's it doing that?04:10
DaSkreechI love that story04:22
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jjessenixternal: congrats on being a dot editor now04:48
DaSkreechconflicted there?04:50
Jucatooh I mean't BOOL, which is defined as true :)04:51
jjessewow this hotel's wireless sucks04:51
DaSkreechit's a hotel04:52
jjesseactually some hotelo's have really good connections04:53
nixternalactually...I don't think I am an editor...I just wrote up that story for Riddelll and he posted it for me05:13
Jucatothat's even better. get other people to do the dirty work for you :)05:13
Jucatothat's so nixternal :)05:14
Jucatobwahahah P05:14
nixternalthat it is05:14
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DaSkreechnixternal: Is Wednesady A good day to upgrade to Gutsy?06:09
DaSkreechSee you all tomorrow06:20
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stdinI don't like that bug 138189 has been marked as Fix Released08:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 138189 in pykdeextensions "application tries to dlopen /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so (only found in the -dev package) " [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13818908:43
stdinmaking a -dev package a dep of a binary lib package is not a "Fix", it's a workaround at best08:44
Hobbseei think Riddelll knows - it was only ever a workaround08:46
stdinhope so, just doesn't "feel" right to me08:47
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Riddelllstdin: no, it's wrong, fixes welcome10:02
_StefanS_Riddelll: there's a bugfix release for knm, can it make it into gutsy?10:03
_StefanS_Riddelll: it can be released this week or next10:03
_StefanS_Riddelll: 0.2.110:03
Jucatohm.. lots of questions about KDE 3.5.8 on gutsy... will it make it?10:03
_StefanS_Jucato: is there any significant changes?10:04
Jucatobug fixes mostly I guess10:04
_StefanS_uhm, I dont think there's really many bugs (?)10:05
Jucatoafter all, it is just a maintenance release :)10:05
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JucatoI really don't know. just fielding questions10:05
_StefanS_Riddelll: I would then tell them to get going with the release, and alert tonio (or I might do it) to package it.10:05
Riddelll_StefanS_: if it's bug fixes only that's probably ok10:05
_StefanS_Riddelll: it is. Thats also what I thought, but I wanted to be sure.10:06
_StefanS_Riddell: I just wrote them on knm list, so lets hope we can make it. There's alot of fixes on WPA.10:08
RiddellJucato: I don't know, the timing is pretty bad (same for KDE 4 beta 3)10:08
Riddellwe might be best to take an SVN snapshot instead10:08
Jucato<jeroenvrp> 3.5.8 will be sent to the packagers on the 7th and released if all is fine, on the 15th10:09
Jucatoone of the guys asking about it.10:09
Jucatoanother is sredna (the kate guy) in #kubuntu...10:09
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meduxahi all10:58
meduxathank you guys for publish the post in fridge about what we are doing in the canaries10:59
meduxait help us a lot to keep going and break walls10:59
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Riddellmeduxa: it's on the Dot too11:00
meduxagreat news11:01
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acemohow do i get mpg to work on kubuntu 7.10?11:25
Riddellacemo: #kubuntu11:25
acemoohh, thought #kubuntu was for the current version only, sorry =)11:26
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aantipopksystemlog doesnt show any logs for kernel or boot02:17
aantipopis this normal ?02:18
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nixternalheh, the new issue of the Ubuntu magazine, the Kubuntu stuff on p.25, is copied/pasted directly from our release notes on the wiki :)02:27
Jucatoheh good thing you made them so perfectly :)02:30
nixternalthey look better in the magazine though :)02:31
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Jucatohehe :)02:31
nixternalhe made one booboo, and I see the oh so popular PCLOS vs. Ubuntu artile I found last month has made its way through the community, in lightning speed at that02:31
nixternal"...there are no known Linux viruses in the wild."02:32
Jucatobut the new "versus"02:32
Jucatoer.. sorry about that02:32
nixternalactually, there are quite a few, but they don't even work at all02:32
Jucatoin the wild? there are? O.o02:32
nixternalyou would have to run your system as root in order to get infected02:33
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nixternalya, some people created some to prove it can be done02:33
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Jucatobite meh!02:33
nixternalthey pretty much are, but some people have tried to infect others02:33
Jucatoanyway, it seems the new "versus" theme lately is Kubuntu vs. PC-BSD 1.402:34
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Jucato4 KDE distros released within days/weeks of each other... didn't sabdfl want synergy? :)02:34
Jucato4 "big" KDE distros I mean02:34
nixternalPC-BSD has gotten much nicer02:35
JucatoPC-BSD 1.4 last week, openSUSE 10.3 and Mandriva 2008 this week. then Kubuntu on the 18th02:35
ubotuMandriva bug 2008 in Core Packages "reloading the user config or system menu closes the menudrake window" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate]  http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=200802:35
Riddellaantipop: it's improper, but I don't have time to look into it02:35
nixternalwait a sec...our belove ubotu tracks the enemy?!?!02:36
Jucatonixternal: even mozilla bugs I think02:36
Jucatomozilla 123402:36
ubotuMozilla bug 1234 in Style System (CSS) "we need default style for the html 4 style tags" [Normal,Verified: fixed]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123402:36
nixternalI knew that, and also Debian, but I didn't know about Mandriva as well02:36
JucatoNovell 123402:36
Jucatooh wait.. it just said it didnt' exist02:37
Jucatobut it tracks it02:37
nixternaldid it message you?02:37
JucatoNovell 10002:37
Jucatohehe got tired :)02:37
JucatoSeveas is going to kill me :P02:37
nixternal07:37:58 [    ubotu]  Error: Error getting Novell bug #190347: NotPermitted02:38
Jucatowonder if it tracks pclos too lol02:38
nixternalheh, PCLOS is the new Lindows02:39
Jucatoaah redhat's there02:39
nixternalubotu is a spy!02:39
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about is a spy! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi02:39
nixternalshush you silly bot02:39
nixternalyou know, if I did icons on the desktop, I think the way Gnome does them is pretty sharp...with the previews and what not...does KDE do this as well? I haven't used a desktop icon in ages02:41
Jucatoyeah I think so02:42
JucatoI don't have icons either02:43
JucatoI have lots of panel icons though02:43
nixternalhrmm, the full circle is in copyright violation...oooh I'm telling :p02:46
Jucatotattle tale!02:46
nixternalhehe...silly cc licenses02:46
Jucatough! don't even get me started thinking about licenses!02:47
Jucatoit's so easy for software... GPL or BSD... but for content... nooooo!02:47
nixternalonly reason I realised this, is because in our composition class, we just covered plagerism and copyright violations...oddly enough02:48
Jucatothey don't cover spelling though :)02:48
nixternalthe only thing from making virtualbox perfect, screenshotting02:48
nixternalespecially my spelling02:48
Jucatogr.. virtualbox-ose still isn't fixed on gutsy :(02:49
nixternalwhat is the issue with it?02:49
Jucatoit requires modules that weren't packaged with it :)02:49
nixternalI was just using the feisty deb they have linked on their website02:49
Jucatoso basically you can run virtualbox itself, but can't start any VM02:49
nixternalwell that is silly02:50
Jucatovmware's situation is funny too...02:50
Jucatovmware-player depends on vmware-modules which depend on a virtual package02:50
nixternalvmware at least gives me the screenshot ability, but it is slower than vbox02:50
Jucatonot much slower than qemu+kqemu I bet :P02:50
nixternalthe fastest virtual software I have tried, is microsoft's virtual pc02:50
nixternalit is similar, very similar to vbox, but whicked fast02:50
JucatoI think I tried that before too... 2005... can't recall02:51
nixternalalmost like having the real os up and running natively02:51
nixternalI just gave 2007 a shot to see how it was in comparison with vbox and vmware02:51
nixternalyou have to do some tricks in order to get *nix to work in it though02:51
nixternalie. it sets up a neomagic or s3 display driver for some stupid reason, so you need to reconfig x to use vesa, and you also have to add something to xorg.conf to get the mouse to work02:52
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Jucatohm... will the technique of installing "kubuntu-desktop" over Ubuntu or "ubuntu-desktop" over Kubuntu not work well anymore?02:55
nixternalRiddell: what is the final day in which we can upload kubuntu-docs into main? I would like to get as much translation as possible complete before the last package02:55
nixternalcouldn't tell you, I have never tried02:56
aantipopRiddell: the problem with ksystemlog is: Kernel log is just not pointed to /var/log/kern.log.0 by default. The Reason for no boot log is this bug i guess: https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/9895502:56
ubotuLaunchpad bug 98955 in upstart "logd not running" [Medium,Confirmed] 02:56
Riddellnixternal: not sure, maybe october 12th?02:58
Riddellnixternal: you might want to ask pitti when the final language pack upload will be, that seems like a good time to match02:59
Riddellaantipop: fancy doing patches for those?02:59
aantipopRiddell: i have _no_ idea, im just a user, sorry03:00
aantipopall i could do is file a bug against ksystemlog and hope someone else fixes ;P03:02
Riddellaantipop: fair enough, and thanks for reporting, I can't guarantee it'll get fixed for release though, there's lots of other issues that need attention03:02
Riddellaantipop: I suspect there will already be such bugs, you could add a comment with your discoveries03:02
aantipopallright, its not a big issue anyway03:02
Jucatonixternal: btw, did you see what I ping'ed you earlier about strigi?03:03
Jucato(much earlier... like days earlier)03:04
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nixternalwhat about strigi?03:13
nixternalI am testing the build for yakuake-2.8 final release03:13
Jucatoyay it will make it? :)03:13
nixternalif it is only closing one bug, I don't know03:13
Jucatonixternal: the one you mentioned in the beta page is the strigi kicker applet, not the system tray applet  I think03:14
nixternalI have no clue....I am not using strigi because I am scared after reading all of the bad stuff recently about it :)03:14
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Jucatoand still happening I think :)03:14
Jucatobut I pointed you to Riddell's blog post about it :P03:15
nixternalahh, yet another blog to read? who is that guy anyways? :p03:15
nixternalhehe, Aaron said "nobody can wear a kilt like Jonathan" :)03:15
Jucatoalthough he did say "quilt" first hahaha03:16
nixternalhaha ya03:16
nixternalI didn't catch it at first, thought it was a double post03:16
Jucatoditto :)03:16
nixternalJucato: I screenshotted that I though03:16
nixternaloh no I didn't03:16
Jucatonixternal: you screnshotted the kicker applet (search bar like deskbar)03:17
nixternalwell, I know if you look at the first screeny, you will see I typed something in the kicker applet, but I didn't get that popup at all like in his screeny03:17
Jucatooh yeah...03:18
Jucatohello world.. heheh03:18
Jucatohe's one of the lucky ones to actually get strigi to work :P03:18
nixternalit is easy to miss, since I didn't get the cool menu like he did03:18
nixternalhe is a cheater, that's why :)03:18
nixternalI haven't looked at strigi code...it is c# right?03:19
Jucatoit's easy to miss because of the big konqueror window distracting me :P03:19
Jucatoand you didn't get the spinning throbber either :P03:19
nixternaldoes strigi use mono?03:19
nixternalrelibtoolization seems to be hit or miss with some packages it seems03:20
Riddellnixternal: certainly not03:24
Riddellstrigi is in c++03:24
nixternalbeagle is mono then?03:24
nixternalthat's right, I remember you complaining about mono03:24
nixternaland kerry, not john kerry, but kerry beagle :p03:25
nixternalyou had to google john kerry didn't you?03:26
nixternalhe is the great american flip-flopper...he got chewed up and spit out during our last presidential elections...good stuff03:27
JucatoGNOME will slowly be overrun by Mono, I tell you.. just you wait :)03:27
nixternalya, they are some c# freaks03:27
nixternalmono and python03:27
Jucatoand also the butt of gags and spoofs :)03:27
Jucato(kerry I mean)03:27
nixternalput them together, and you have a sick snake :)03:27
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nixternalalways good to see the new yakuake builds and works...now if I could only tell what has been fixed03:29
nixternalhave you ever read one of Sho_'s changelogs?03:30
Jucatothat one there on kde-apps I have :)03:30
nixternalI always thought that Changelogs should be written in laymen's terms, but he incorporates his class names, function names, data types, and the rest in his :)03:30
nixternalya, same one I have...which is a better one to read :)03:31
RiddellJucato: going to package it?03:31
JucatoRiddell: nixeternal already is :)03:31
nixternalI need to put it in my PPA, and respond to the bug posts and see if people still experience the bugs03:32
Jucatolol nixternal haha03:32
nixternalRiddell: I just finished packaging it03:32
nixternalI am running it right now, and I must say, you have never looked better03:32
nixternalerr, that was silly :)03:32
nixternalas it stands, I can only see where the final would only close one bug..is that enough to get a UVF acked?03:33
Jucatohow about that xinerama thingy?03:33
nixternalargh, I need to start getting ready03:33
nixternalya, that might be another issue which was reported in LP, that is why I would like to see it tested by the users first before closing the bug with the changelog03:34
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nixternalI shall return in a few hours, I need to get rolling....Java is calling me unfortunately03:34
Jucatobtw, what do you do when for example, this app (like yakuake) has a new version that Debian doesn't have yet? how do you package it? from scratch?03:34
Jucatoyuck! lol03:34
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nixternalno, I use uupdate -u most of the times to just update from a previous package03:35
nixternalbut I will do the debian package as well when I get home and upload it to the debian repos03:35
Jucatouupdate -u? hm.. gotta learn that...03:35
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nixternalyay, I wasn't the only one who didn't finish this java project, but I am much closer than the rest :)05:09
Jucatowhat's the project about?05:14
nixternala client/server, multi-threaded address book05:19
nixternalsimple retardation really05:19
Jucatoif you can port it to C++/Qt/KDE... maybe you can have a better kaddressboook?05:21
nixternalc++ sockets, threads, and all of that good stuff is much better than java05:23
JucatoI so hated kaddressbook 2 weeks ago... when I was fixing about 100+ contacts...05:23
nixternalheh, so did I05:23
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Jucatoslowly, little by little, as my PIM needs grow, I'm starting to dislike kdepim... or at least the default ones...05:24
Jucatostarted w/ korganizer...05:24
nixternalspeaking of which, ryanakca what is up with that egroupware server? I had to delete it because it was annoying me with password requests all of the time...it would never connect, and and top of it, nobody else was using it :(05:24
nixternalI like KDEPIM, I switched from Mutt about 3 years ago and it is rocking along for me05:25
nixternalit rarely crashes for me05:25
Jucatowell I have to be more specific... kdepim includes a lot of apps :)05:25
Jucatokorganizer, kaddressbook, knotes.. those are bugging me :)05:25
Jucatoand kontact integration of knotes and akgregator... :)05:26
nixternalheh, I use knotes to hold silly passwords that I can't change..ie mailing lists and revu05:29
nixternalif people were to go through them though, they would think they were errors the way they are05:29
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nixternaluboontu.com does not work with Konqi...yay!06:23
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gnomefreakwhat is uboontu.com?06:33
jpatricka search site for stuff from official sources (appartently)06:33
gnomefreakah thats right they renamed the ubuntu search engine06:33
gnomefreakjpatrick: i believe it uses tuxfaimly.com or a site like that06:33
nixternalI am hungry...who is buying lunch?06:36
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gnomefreakor not let me see if ubuntu search is still around06:37
gnomefreakah it isnt the same one :)06:38
jeroenvrpRiddell: what is the reason that the language packs of kde 3.5.8 are already in the repos. are we going to have 3.5.8 in gutsy?06:52
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Riddelljeroenvrp: it's not 3.5.8, it's just a snapshot from yesterday06:54
Riddellbut I might do the same with the rest of KDE 3.506:55
jeroenvrpRiddell: well kde 3.5.8 will be released oct 15 as I understood06:55
jeroenvrpthanks for your answere06:56
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gnomefreakoct 15th is good but that is still a slim chance that we can get it in repo afaik07:03
mhbimpossible, I guess07:06
mhbif you talk about Gutsy final07:06
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gnomefreakmhb: thats what i was thinking too it only gives 4 days to get it in but kde 3.5.8 is a security update no?07:08
gnomefreakupstream security update07:09
gnomefreaki believe we release around 18-1907:10
mhbgnomefreak: upstream security update which is not tested much07:10
mhbsomething could break when building packages or such, and we would be in big trouble07:12
mhbKDE is not a small component of Kubuntu07:13
gnomefreakyeah i just forgot we need testing time as well07:13
gnomefreaknothing small about kde at all07:13
Tm_Ttesting? why?07:14
Tm_Tyou dont trust our mad skillz?07:14
gnomefreakwe need to make sure it breaks for only you Tm_T07:15
Tm_TI see07:15
Tm_Tthen please do testing07:15
mhbTm_T: if we didnt trust you, would we use and promote your app as the major component of our distribution? :D07:16
gnomefreakTm_T: has an app?07:16
gnomefreakdoes it organize music by chance/07:17
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mhbgnomefreak: I address the "you" in "our mad skillz"07:17
DaSkreechWe had this mad skillz talk already :)07:17
Tm_TDaSkreech: so true =)07:17
mhbbecause I thought "our" means "KDE"07:18
Tm_Tyes KDE/Kubuntu07:18
gnomefreakkde != kubuntu07:18
gnomefreakatleast not really07:18
Tm_Tgnomefreak: and?07:18
mhbI am sure the KDE release will be quite good, but it is too late to do testing on Kubuntu side of things - it is simply past the "we accept stuff from upstream" deadline07:19
Riddellgnomefreak: it's not a security update, it would go in backports07:19
Tm_TRiddell: I thought so too07:19
Tm_Tgnomefreak: security updates are and will be patched to current versions directly07:20
Tm_Tso we cant use that as an excuse =)07:21
gnomefreaknormally a good idea just im used to seeing example: firefox > security updates07:21
gnomefreaklast number changes for that, i might be confused but i thought most were like that07:21
Tm_Tgnomefreak: yes, but KDE doesnt release things that way07:22
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Tm_Tthat would be silly, one app is totally different scale than DE07:22
gnomefreakreason kde doesnt do it that way would be becaseu its a cluster of programs not just one07:23
gnomefreaksame reason why gnone 2.20 isnt securoty update for 2.1907:24
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DaSkreechHow does Gnome work?07:29
DaSkreechdon't htey have odd even releases?07:29
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DaSkreechTm_T: that would be Windows07:30
DaSkreechOh I got my desktop manager to crash in VIsta :)07:30
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Riddellfabo: how come debian doesn't have the new clucene?07:31
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DaSkreechRiddell: clucene is needed for strigi?08:31
stdinlibclucene0 and libcluceneindex008:32
DaSkreechok was trying to recall where I had heard that before08:32
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_StefanS_Riddell: seems like the updated knm applet will be out thursday.08:49
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_StefanS_Riddell: so it can be included :)08:50
innovatinew intel iMac, will kubuntu 7.10 work out of the box for it?08:51
nosrednaekiminnovati: wrong channel, please go to #kubuntu, or for gutsy. #ubuntu+108:51
Riddell_StefanS_: if it's packaged right away08:54
ScottKRiddell: Looks the the Konsole PTY problem may affect more machines than we thought: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-kde3/+bug/117731/comments/2708:56
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ubotuLaunchpad bug 117731 in python-kde3 "Python crashes after attaching pty to a konsole kpart" [High,Fix committed] 08:56
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_StefanS_Riddell: sure09:07
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RiddellScottK: going to approve bug 127922?09:35
ubotuLaunchpad bug 127922 in feisty-backports "Please backport lighttpd v1.4.16 from Gutsy to Feisty" [Wishlist,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12792209:35
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ScottKRiddell: Once some indicates that it works (not just builds), yes.  I'll comment to that effect in the bug.09:37
RiddellScottK: what about bug 135780, has someone indicated that it works?09:37
ubotuLaunchpad bug 135780 in feisty-backports "Please backport postfix 2.4.5-3 to Feisty from Gutsy" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13578009:37
ScottKYes. I did.09:38
ScottKI tested that one myself.09:38
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ScottKThe someone loose gold standard for backports is b/i/r (builds, installs, runs).09:39
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RiddellScottK: bug 144870 isn't ready for action yet, or am I missing something?09:55
ubotuLaunchpad bug 144870 in scponly "[Sync request]  Sync scponly (4.6-1.1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14487009:55
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ScottKRiddell: Since it's filed by a MOTU and has no new upstream version, it should be fine.09:56
Riddelloh wait, it's a sync, for some reason I was thinking of backports09:56
ScottKNo problem09:56
ScottKWhile you're on syncs, Bug 147779 has a special place in my heart ....09:57
ubotuLaunchpad bug 147779 in libspf2 "Please sync libspf2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/14777909:57
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RiddellI was just looking at that one10:01
faboRiddell: for clucene, AFAIK strigi doesn't completely support latest clucene. i'll ask jos and ben to know if the situation improved.10:03
DaSkreechwell we should probably have it anyway for when it does10:06
DaSkreechstrigi is not shipping on by default in +1?10:06
Riddellit seems to from my quick testing10:08
RiddellI've had KDE developers say it's required for current SVN10:08
ScottKRiddell: Did you decide not to do the libspf2 sync?10:11
RiddellScottK: why? I did it10:12
ScottKRiddell: OK.  I just didn't see a notification yet then.  Sometime it takes LP a while to notice.  Thanks.10:13
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ScottKRiddell: Finally got the notification.  Thanks again.10:20
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amachuhi.. any one can help me locating kubuntu-installer for gutsy10:22
amachuits link in launchpad?10:22
nosrednaekimamachu: its called ubiquity10:23
amachuis it both same for ubuntu & kubuntu10:23
nosrednaekimI'm not sure.10:29
nosrednaekimthe backend is10:29
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Riddellyes, it's the same10:35
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mhbwhat is unattended-upgrades and is it set on by default?10:44
fdovingauto-installing of security updates.10:47
fdovinghave a look in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10:47
fdovingi'm not sure what the defaults are.10:47
fdovingmight be the 'Install security updates without confirmation' option in software-properties-kde10:48
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angasulewhat exactly is the update policy for programs in a stable ubuntu branch? for example, a program has a bug that causes a crash and has been fixed upstream, any chance we'll benefit from it or we have to wait till gutsy?11:50
Riddellupdates are available, but the process is quite long and fiddly and must have only the minimal changes11:51
Riddellangasule: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/StableReleaseUpdates11:52
ScottKDepending on which package is involved, it's less long/fiddly if it's in Universe.11:53
angasulethanks, I was curious about the general situation,11:53
angasulein this particular case, the crashing app is ktorrent11:53
angasuleI guess it doesn't count as "losing data", although the lost time is just as important to me (since I'm not getting data after it crashes, obviously)11:54
ScottKangasule: In that case, talk to jdong (probably in #ubuntu-motu) as he pays a lot of attention to ktorrent.11:55
Riddellnixternal: fancy writing another short dot article?  (similar format to last one, pointing at http://lwn.net/Articles/250358/ if you do)12:01
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