| nixternal | how so? | 12:55 |
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| nixternal | heh | 12:55 |
| nixternal | groovy | 12:57 |
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| jeroenvrp | hey are we going to have a kde 3.5.8 release? | 01:26 |
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| jjesse | evening :) | 01:33 |
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| jeroenvrp | found this page http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_7to3_5_8.php | 01:45 |
| jeroenvrp | anyone: is kde 3.5.8 going to be part of Gutsy, so early before oct 18?! | 01:46 |
| DaSkreech | Will networkmanager 0.7 ship in Gutsy? | 01:54 |
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| jeroenvrp | DaSkreech: not according this list http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=network-manager+&searchon=names&subword=1&version=gutsy&release=all | 01:57 |
| DaSkreech | Blast :-) | 02:04 |
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| jjesse | morning jussio1 | 02:10 |
| jjesse | doh | 02:10 |
| jjesse | morning Jucato | 02:10 |
| Jucato | heheh good morning! :) | 02:11 |
| Jucato | you got it right :) | 02:11 |
| Jucato | and good evening for you :P | 02:11 |
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| Jucato | heheh | 02:12 |
| jeroenvrp | http://extragear.kde.org/apps/yakuake/ 2.8 final is t | 02:16 |
| jeroenvrp | out | 02:16 |
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| jeroenvrp | hopefully it wileplace the beta version in gutsy | 02:17 |
| jeroenvrp | anyone: is kde 3.5.8 going to be part of Gutsy, so early before oct 18?! | 02:17 |
| Jucato | I'm not sure if there are big significant changes between the beta and the final. I'll have to ask the maintainer (if he's still awake) | 02:19 |
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| Jucato | but since we're on freeze already, I wonder if we could still do a version bump.... | 02:20 |
| jjesse | i think the worst coffee known to man is hotel coffee | 02:20 |
| jeroenvrp | Jucato: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Yakuake?content=29153 forthe chanlog and iyis always good void beta's | 02:20 |
| Jucato | heh Changes *since* 2.8-beta1... he has to choose his words better :P | 02:22 |
| Jucato | or at least be more consistent... | 02:22 |
| Jucato | jjesse: I have not yet had the pleasure/displeasure of experiencing living/dining in a hotel :) | 02:23 |
| jeroenvrp | Jucato: but what about kde 3.5.8 | 02:23 |
| jjesse | Jucato: i'm a consualtant -- on the road 3 out every 4 weeks | 02:23 |
| jeroenvrp | it seems a pre-version is accepted | 02:23 |
| Jucato | jjesse: I've noticed... | 02:23 |
| jeroenvrp | I doubt that is a good thing | 02:24 |
| jjesse | i have over 110 nights in a hotel since march 1st | 02:24 |
| jeroenvrp | oh well | 02:24 |
| Jucato | jeroenvrp: you'll have to ask Riddell about 3.5.8... but I'm not sure if it will make it for Gutsy. perhaps kubuntu.org packages after gutsy | 02:24 |
| Jucato | jjesse: wow... :) :( :/ | 02:24 |
| jjesse | tell me about it | 02:25 |
| Jucato | jjesse: wow... :) :( :/ <--- telling you about it | 02:25 |
| jjesse | grin :) | 02:25 |
| Jucato | hehehe | 02:25 |
| jjesse | Jucato: we should somehow get together in real life, i think we would have fun hanging out | 02:26 |
| Jucato | sure! tell me when you're in the neighborhood :) | 02:26 |
| jeroenvrp | Jucato: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-October/subject.html | 02:26 |
| jeroenvrp | allthough I only see language packages (yet) | 02:27 |
| Jucato | you'll have to ask Riddell. safe answer :) | 02:28 |
| jeroenvrp | Jucato: yeah I know, I will ask tomorrow | 02:28 |
| Jucato | coz I don't think it would be very nice to ship with kde-3.5.8-svn :) | 02:28 |
| jeroenvrp | 3.5.8 will be sent to the packagers on the 7th and released if all is fine, on the 15th | 02:29 |
| jeroenvrp | so no svn, but very close to the 18th | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | probbaly depends on how stable, etc it is | 02:37 |
| Jucato | because we'd have to ask for exception for it right? | 02:37 |
| Jucato | and morning Hobbsee! :) | 02:37 |
| DaSkreech | Wheeee | 02:41 |
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| jjesse | did everyone drop connection? | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | there was a netsplit, yes | 02:45 |
| jjesse | oh | 02:46 |
| jjesse | hello Hobbsee | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | hiya | 02:46 |
| Jucato | I just love these netsplits! :) | 02:46 |
| Jucato | hi Hobbsee!!!!! :) | 02:46 |
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| Hobbsee | hi Jucato! | 02:49 |
| jjesse | wow they sure don't make it easy sometimes to book the flight you want to book | 02:52 |
| DaSkreech | I lived :) | 02:56 |
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| Hobbsee | O.O http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2007/10/yes-sarah-im-still-alive.html | 02:57 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: klined? nah... | 02:57 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: Mispelt Sarah | 02:58 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: that wasnt what i was looking at | 02:58 |
| DaSkreech | His poke at Aussie? | 02:59 |
| Hobbsee | no | 03:00 |
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| nixternal | well hello there | 03:12 |
| jjesse | hello | 03:13 |
| nixternal | 90% complete on my super duper, multi-threaded, high speed, distributable address book | 03:13 |
| nixternal | java rox! | 03:13 |
| nixternal | howdy jjesse | 03:13 |
| jjesse | howdy nixternal | 03:13 |
| Jucato | lol! | 03:13 |
| nixternal | you want the office last week? | 03:13 |
| jjesse | me? yeah i loved the office last week | 03:13 |
| nixternal | s/want/watch | 03:13 |
| Jucato | we should be updating !nixternal soon :) | 03:13 |
| nixternal | hahaha...I watched it, and actually liked that show | 03:13 |
| nixternal | Jucato: update it to what? | 03:14 |
| Jucato | add java-loving :) | 03:14 |
| nixternal | hehe | 03:14 |
| nixternal | Java is nice | 03:14 |
| Jucato | :) | 03:14 |
| nixternal | it is perfect for code dummies like me | 03:14 |
| nixternal | :) | 03:14 |
| Jucato | you? code dummy? c'mon! :P | 03:14 |
| DaSkreech | Weren't we just talking about Hotel java? | 03:15 |
| nixternal | oh ya, that is why I am taking c++ classes...I need to knock the rust off | 03:15 |
| jjesse | anyone running kde4 and getting KNotify crash notices every 2 minutes or so? | 03:15 |
| jjesse | DaSkreech: yes we were talking about hotel coffee :) | 03:15 |
| nixternal | I used to code c++ in the 90s, but what I did was totally different than what we are familiar with | 03:15 |
| Jucato | espresso would be nice right now... | 03:15 |
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| jjesse | love this bug #147865 | 03:20 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 147865 in knetdockapp "Knetdockapp only shows packets on Kubuntu 7.10 Beta" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147865 | 03:20 |
| jjesse | doh | 03:20 |
| jjesse | wrong one | 03:20 |
| jjesse | bug #147864 | 03:21 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 147864 in ubuntu "Profanity in error message" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147864 | 03:21 |
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| DaSkreech | damn can You get someone's e-mail from a blogger profile? | 03:22 |
| Jucato | "Indeed this is from the SucKIT rootkit; the ostentatious usage of the f-word in error messages is a real giveaway. Pull the network cable please, your system has been compromised." - hahah :) | 03:23 |
| Jucato | poor guy | 03:23 |
| jjesse | yeah i saw that | 03:23 |
| DaSkreech | *blinks* | 03:23 |
| DaSkreech | No one wears a kilt quite like Jonathan | 03:26 |
| Jucato | *blinks* | 03:27 |
| DaSkreech | ah ha! | 03:28 |
| DaSkreech | tell me where you got your quote and I'll tell you where I got mine! | 03:28 |
| === Jucato points up | ||
| DaSkreech | ah | 03:42 |
| === DaSkreech points at http://dot.kde.org/1191271613/ | ||
| Jucato | heh | 03:43 |
| Jucato | nixternal: congrats on the Dot article :) | 03:43 |
| DaSkreech | Why would a rootkit announce itself? | 03:46 |
| nixternal | why thank you | 03:53 |
| DaSkreech | Ok so I updated Emacs | 04:10 |
| DaSkreech | to 22 | 04:10 |
| DaSkreech | but 21 still starts | 04:10 |
| DaSkreech | how's it doing that? | 04:10 |
| DaSkreech | http://vocamus.net/dave/?p=40 | 04:22 |
| DaSkreech | I love that story | 04:22 |
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| jjesse | nixternal: congrats on being a dot editor now | 04:48 |
| Jucato | yay | 04:50 |
| Jucato | (boo!) | 04:50 |
| DaSkreech | conflicted there? | 04:50 |
| Jucato | oh I mean't BOOL, which is defined as true :) | 04:51 |
| jjesse | wow this hotel's wireless sucks | 04:51 |
| DaSkreech | yeah | 04:52 |
| DaSkreech | it's a hotel | 04:52 |
| jjesse | actually some hotelo's have really good connections | 04:53 |
| nixternal | thanks | 05:12 |
| nixternal | actually...I don't think I am an editor...I just wrote up that story for Riddelll and he posted it for me | 05:13 |
| Jucato | that's even better. get other people to do the dirty work for you :) | 05:13 |
| nixternal | heh | 05:13 |
| Jucato | that's so nixternal :) | 05:14 |
| Jucato | bwahahah P | 05:14 |
| Jucato | :P | 05:14 |
| nixternal | that it is | 05:14 |
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| DaSkreech | nixternal: Is Wednesady A good day to upgrade to Gutsy? | 06:09 |
| DaSkreech | See you all tomorrow | 06:20 |
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| stdin | I don't like that bug 138189 has been marked as Fix Released | 08:43 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 138189 in pykdeextensions "application tries to dlopen /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so (only found in the -dev package) " [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138189 | 08:43 |
| stdin | making a -dev package a dep of a binary lib package is not a "Fix", it's a workaround at best | 08:44 |
| Hobbsee | i think Riddelll knows - it was only ever a workaround | 08:46 |
| stdin | hope so, just doesn't "feel" right to me | 08:47 |
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| Riddelll | stdin: no, it's wrong, fixes welcome | 10:02 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddelll: there's a bugfix release for knm, can it make it into gutsy? | 10:03 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddelll: it can be released this week or next | 10:03 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddelll: 0.2.1 | 10:03 |
| Jucato | hm.. lots of questions about KDE 3.5.8 on gutsy... will it make it? | 10:03 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: is there any significant changes? | 10:04 |
| Jucato | bug fixes mostly I guess | 10:04 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm, I dont think there's really many bugs (?) | 10:05 |
| Jucato | after all, it is just a maintenance release :) | 10:05 |
| === Jucato shrugs... | ||
| Jucato | I really don't know. just fielding questions | 10:05 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddelll: I would then tell them to get going with the release, and alert tonio (or I might do it) to package it. | 10:05 |
| Riddelll | _StefanS_: if it's bug fixes only that's probably ok | 10:05 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddelll: it is. Thats also what I thought, but I wanted to be sure. | 10:06 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I just wrote them on knm list, so lets hope we can make it. There's alot of fixes on WPA. | 10:08 |
| Riddell | Jucato: I don't know, the timing is pretty bad (same for KDE 4 beta 3) | 10:08 |
| Riddell | we might be best to take an SVN snapshot instead | 10:08 |
| Jucato | <jeroenvrp> 3.5.8 will be sent to the packagers on the 7th and released if all is fine, on the 15th | 10:09 |
| Jucato | one of the guys asking about it. | 10:09 |
| Jucato | another is sredna (the kate guy) in #kubuntu... | 10:09 |
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| meduxa | hi all | 10:58 |
| meduxa | thank you guys for publish the post in fridge about what we are doing in the canaries | 10:59 |
| meduxa | it help us a lot to keep going and break walls | 10:59 |
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| Riddell | meduxa: it's on the Dot too | 11:00 |
| meduxa | yes | 11:00 |
| meduxa | great news | 11:01 |
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| acemo | how do i get mpg to work on kubuntu 7.10? | 11:25 |
| Riddell | acemo: #kubuntu | 11:25 |
| acemo | ohh, thought #kubuntu was for the current version only, sorry =) | 11:26 |
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| aantipop | ksystemlog doesnt show any logs for kernel or boot | 02:17 |
| aantipop | is this normal ? | 02:18 |
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| nixternal | heh, the new issue of the Ubuntu magazine, the Kubuntu stuff on p.25, is copied/pasted directly from our release notes on the wiki :) | 02:27 |
| Jucato | heh good thing you made them so perfectly :) | 02:30 |
| nixternal | they look better in the magazine though :) | 02:31 |
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| Jucato | hehe :) | 02:31 |
| nixternal | he made one booboo, and I see the oh so popular PCLOS vs. Ubuntu artile I found last month has made its way through the community, in lightning speed at that | 02:31 |
| nixternal | "...there are no known Linux viruses in the wild." | 02:32 |
| Jucato | but the new "versus" | 02:32 |
| Jucato | er.. sorry about that | 02:32 |
| nixternal | actually, there are quite a few, but they don't even work at all | 02:32 |
| Jucato | in the wild? there are? O.o | 02:32 |
| nixternal | you would have to run your system as root in order to get infected | 02:33 |
| === Jucato thought they would be confined to some networks/laboratories... | ||
| nixternal | ya, some people created some to prove it can be done | 02:33 |
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| Jucato | bite meh! | 02:33 |
| nixternal | they pretty much are, but some people have tried to infect others | 02:33 |
| nixternal | hehe | 02:33 |
| Jucato | anyway, it seems the new "versus" theme lately is Kubuntu vs. PC-BSD 1.4 | 02:34 |
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| Jucato | 4 KDE distros released within days/weeks of each other... didn't sabdfl want synergy? :) | 02:34 |
| Jucato | 4 "big" KDE distros I mean | 02:34 |
| nixternal | orly? | 02:35 |
| nixternal | PC-BSD has gotten much nicer | 02:35 |
| Jucato | PC-BSD 1.4 last week, openSUSE 10.3 and Mandriva 2008 this week. then Kubuntu on the 18th | 02:35 |
| ubotu | Mandriva bug 2008 in Core Packages "reloading the user config or system menu closes the menudrake window" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2008 | 02:35 |
| Jucato | O.o | 02:35 |
| nixternal | heh | 02:35 |
| Jucato | roflmao | 02:35 |
| Riddell | aantipop: it's improper, but I don't have time to look into it | 02:35 |
| nixternal | wait a sec...our belove ubotu tracks the enemy?!?! | 02:36 |
| nixternal | hahahahaha | 02:36 |
| Jucato | nixternal: even mozilla bugs I think | 02:36 |
| Jucato | mozilla 1234 | 02:36 |
| ubotu | Mozilla bug 1234 in Style System (CSS) "we need default style for the html 4 style tags" [Normal,Verified: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234 | 02:36 |
| Jucato | :D | 02:36 |
| nixternal | I knew that, and also Debian, but I didn't know about Mandriva as well | 02:36 |
| Jucato | Novell 1234 | 02:36 |
| nixternal | haha | 02:36 |
| Jucato | nah | 02:36 |
| Jucato | oh wait.. it just said it didnt' exist | 02:37 |
| Jucato | but it tracks it | 02:37 |
| nixternal | did it message you? | 02:37 |
| Jucato | yep | 02:37 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 02:37 |
| Jucato | Novell 100 | 02:37 |
| Jucato | hehe got tired :) | 02:37 |
| Jucato | Seveas is going to kill me :P | 02:37 |
| nixternal | 07:37:58 [ ubotu] Error: Error getting Novell bug #190347: NotPermitted | 02:38 |
| nixternal | interesting | 02:38 |
| Jucato | heheh | 02:38 |
| Jucato | wonder if it tracks pclos too lol | 02:38 |
| nixternal | heh, PCLOS is the new Lindows | 02:39 |
| Jucato | aah redhat's there | 02:39 |
| nixternal | ubotu is a spy! | 02:39 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about is a spy! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 02:39 |
| nixternal | shush you silly bot | 02:39 |
| Jucato | lol | 02:39 |
| nixternal | you know, if I did icons on the desktop, I think the way Gnome does them is pretty sharp...with the previews and what not...does KDE do this as well? I haven't used a desktop icon in ages | 02:41 |
| Jucato | yeah I think so | 02:42 |
| Jucato | I don't have icons either | 02:43 |
| Jucato | I have lots of panel icons though | 02:43 |
| nixternal | hrmm, the full circle is in copyright violation...oooh I'm telling :p | 02:46 |
| Jucato | lol | 02:46 |
| Jucato | tattle tale! | 02:46 |
| nixternal | hehe...silly cc licenses | 02:46 |
| Jucato | ugh! don't even get me started thinking about licenses! | 02:47 |
| Jucato | it's so easy for software... GPL or BSD... but for content... nooooo! | 02:47 |
| nixternal | only reason I realised this, is because in our composition class, we just covered plagerism and copyright violations...oddly enough | 02:48 |
| Jucato | they don't cover spelling though :) | 02:48 |
| nixternal | the only thing from making virtualbox perfect, screenshotting | 02:48 |
| nixternal | especially my spelling | 02:48 |
| Jucato | gr.. virtualbox-ose still isn't fixed on gutsy :( | 02:49 |
| nixternal | what is the issue with it? | 02:49 |
| Jucato | it requires modules that weren't packaged with it :) | 02:49 |
| nixternal | I was just using the feisty deb they have linked on their website | 02:49 |
| nixternal | ahh | 02:49 |
| Jucato | so basically you can run virtualbox itself, but can't start any VM | 02:49 |
| nixternal | well that is silly | 02:50 |
| Jucato | vmware's situation is funny too... | 02:50 |
| Jucato | vmware-player depends on vmware-modules which depend on a virtual package | 02:50 |
| nixternal | vmware at least gives me the screenshot ability, but it is slower than vbox | 02:50 |
| Jucato | not much slower than qemu+kqemu I bet :P | 02:50 |
| nixternal | the fastest virtual software I have tried, is microsoft's virtual pc | 02:50 |
| nixternal | it is similar, very similar to vbox, but whicked fast | 02:50 |
| Jucato | I think I tried that before too... 2005... can't recall | 02:51 |
| nixternal | almost like having the real os up and running natively | 02:51 |
| nixternal | I just gave 2007 a shot to see how it was in comparison with vbox and vmware | 02:51 |
| nixternal | you have to do some tricks in order to get *nix to work in it though | 02:51 |
| nixternal | ie. it sets up a neomagic or s3 display driver for some stupid reason, so you need to reconfig x to use vesa, and you also have to add something to xorg.conf to get the mouse to work | 02:52 |
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| Jucato | :) | 02:54 |
| Jucato | hm... will the technique of installing "kubuntu-desktop" over Ubuntu or "ubuntu-desktop" over Kubuntu not work well anymore? | 02:55 |
| nixternal | Riddell: what is the final day in which we can upload kubuntu-docs into main? I would like to get as much translation as possible complete before the last package | 02:55 |
| nixternal | couldn't tell you, I have never tried | 02:56 |
| aantipop | Riddell: the problem with ksystemlog is: Kernel log is just not pointed to /var/log/kern.log.0 by default. The Reason for no boot log is this bug i guess: https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/98955 | 02:56 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 98955 in upstart "logd not running" [Medium,Confirmed] | 02:56 |
| Riddell | nixternal: not sure, maybe october 12th? | 02:58 |
| Riddell | nixternal: you might want to ask pitti when the final language pack upload will be, that seems like a good time to match | 02:59 |
| Riddell | aantipop: fancy doing patches for those? | 02:59 |
| aantipop | Riddell: i have _no_ idea, im just a user, sorry | 03:00 |
| aantipop | all i could do is file a bug against ksystemlog and hope someone else fixes ;P | 03:02 |
| Riddell | aantipop: fair enough, and thanks for reporting, I can't guarantee it'll get fixed for release though, there's lots of other issues that need attention | 03:02 |
| Riddell | aantipop: I suspect there will already be such bugs, you could add a comment with your discoveries | 03:02 |
| aantipop | allright, its not a big issue anyway | 03:02 |
| Jucato | nixternal: btw, did you see what I ping'ed you earlier about strigi? | 03:03 |
| Jucato | (much earlier... like days earlier) | 03:04 |
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| nixternal | what about strigi? | 03:13 |
| nixternal | I am testing the build for yakuake-2.8 final release | 03:13 |
| Jucato | yay it will make it? :) | 03:13 |
| nixternal | if it is only closing one bug, I don't know | 03:13 |
| Jucato | nixternal: the one you mentioned in the beta page is the strigi kicker applet, not the system tray applet I think | 03:14 |
| nixternal | oh | 03:14 |
| nixternal | I have no clue....I am not using strigi because I am scared after reading all of the bad stuff recently about it :) | 03:14 |
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| Jucato | and still happening I think :) | 03:14 |
| Jucato | but I pointed you to Riddell's blog post about it :P | 03:15 |
| nixternal | ahh, yet another blog to read? who is that guy anyways? :p | 03:15 |
| Jucato | hahaha | 03:15 |
| nixternal | hehe, Aaron said "nobody can wear a kilt like Jonathan" :) | 03:15 |
| Jucato | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2973 | 03:16 |
| Jucato | although he did say "quilt" first hahaha | 03:16 |
| nixternal | haha ya | 03:16 |
| nixternal | I didn't catch it at first, thought it was a double post | 03:16 |
| Jucato | ditto :) | 03:16 |
| nixternal | Jucato: I screenshotted that I though | 03:16 |
| nixternal | oh no I didn't | 03:16 |
| Jucato | nixternal: you screnshotted the kicker applet (search bar like deskbar) | 03:17 |
| nixternal | well, I know if you look at the first screeny, you will see I typed something in the kicker applet, but I didn't get that popup at all like in his screeny | 03:17 |
| Jucato | oh yeah... | 03:18 |
| Jucato | hello world.. heheh | 03:18 |
| nixternal | haha | 03:18 |
| Jucato | he's one of the lucky ones to actually get strigi to work :P | 03:18 |
| nixternal | it is easy to miss, since I didn't get the cool menu like he did | 03:18 |
| nixternal | he is a cheater, that's why :) | 03:18 |
| nixternal | I haven't looked at strigi code...it is c# right? | 03:19 |
| Jucato | it's easy to miss because of the big konqueror window distracting me :P | 03:19 |
| nixternal | heh | 03:19 |
| Jucato | and you didn't get the spinning throbber either :P | 03:19 |
| nixternal | does strigi use mono? | 03:19 |
| nixternal | relibtoolization seems to be hit or miss with some packages it seems | 03:20 |
| Riddell | nixternal: certainly not | 03:24 |
| Riddell | strigi is in c++ | 03:24 |
| nixternal | ok | 03:24 |
| nixternal | beagle is mono then? | 03:24 |
| Jucato | yep | 03:24 |
| nixternal | that's right, I remember you complaining about mono | 03:24 |
| nixternal | and kerry, not john kerry, but kerry beagle :p | 03:25 |
| Jucato | heheh | 03:26 |
| nixternal | you had to google john kerry didn't you? | 03:26 |
| Jucato | no | 03:26 |
| Jucato | :P | 03:26 |
| nixternal | haha | 03:26 |
| nixternal | he is the great american flip-flopper...he got chewed up and spit out during our last presidential elections...good stuff | 03:27 |
| Jucato | GNOME will slowly be overrun by Mono, I tell you.. just you wait :) | 03:27 |
| nixternal | ya, they are some c# freaks | 03:27 |
| nixternal | mono and python | 03:27 |
| Jucato | and also the butt of gags and spoofs :) | 03:27 |
| Jucato | (kerry I mean) | 03:27 |
| nixternal | put them together, and you have a sick snake :) | 03:27 |
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| nixternal | always good to see the new yakuake builds and works...now if I could only tell what has been fixed | 03:29 |
| Jucato | changelog? | 03:29 |
| Jucato | http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Yakuake?content=29153 | 03:30 |
| nixternal | have you ever read one of Sho_'s changelogs? | 03:30 |
| Jucato | that one there on kde-apps I have :) | 03:30 |
| nixternal | I always thought that Changelogs should be written in laymen's terms, but he incorporates his class names, function names, data types, and the rest in his :) | 03:30 |
| nixternal | ya, same one I have...which is a better one to read :) | 03:31 |
| Riddell | Jucato: going to package it? | 03:31 |
| Jucato | Riddell: nixeternal already is :) | 03:31 |
| nixternal | I need to put it in my PPA, and respond to the bug posts and see if people still experience the bugs | 03:32 |
| Jucato | lol nixternal haha | 03:32 |
| Jucato | sorry | 03:32 |
| nixternal | Riddell: I just finished packaging it | 03:32 |
| Riddell | excellent | 03:32 |
| nixternal | I am running it right now, and I must say, you have never looked better | 03:32 |
| nixternal | err, that was silly :) | 03:32 |
| Jucato | hahaha | 03:32 |
| nixternal | as it stands, I can only see where the final would only close one bug..is that enough to get a UVF acked? | 03:33 |
| Jucato | how about that xinerama thingy? | 03:33 |
| nixternal | argh, I need to start getting ready | 03:33 |
| nixternal | ya, that might be another issue which was reported in LP, that is why I would like to see it tested by the users first before closing the bug with the changelog | 03:34 |
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| nixternal | I shall return in a few hours, I need to get rolling....Java is calling me unfortunately | 03:34 |
| Jucato | btw, what do you do when for example, this app (like yakuake) has a new version that Debian doesn't have yet? how do you package it? from scratch? | 03:34 |
| Jucato | yuck! lol | 03:34 |
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| nixternal | no, I use uupdate -u most of the times to just update from a previous package | 03:35 |
| nixternal | but I will do the debian package as well when I get home and upload it to the debian repos | 03:35 |
| Jucato | uupdate -u? hm.. gotta learn that... | 03:35 |
| nixternal | bbiaf | 03:35 |
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| bddebian | Heyha | 04:24 |
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| nixternal | yay, I wasn't the only one who didn't finish this java project, but I am much closer than the rest :) | 05:09 |
| nixternal | yeeeeehaw! | 05:09 |
| bddebian | heh | 05:10 |
| Jucato | what's the project about? | 05:14 |
| nixternal | a client/server, multi-threaded address book | 05:19 |
| nixternal | simple retardation really | 05:19 |
| Jucato | if you can port it to C++/Qt/KDE... maybe you can have a better kaddressboook? | 05:21 |
| nixternal | lol | 05:22 |
| nixternal | c++ sockets, threads, and all of that good stuff is much better than java | 05:23 |
| Jucato | I so hated kaddressbook 2 weeks ago... when I was fixing about 100+ contacts... | 05:23 |
| nixternal | heh, so did I | 05:23 |
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| Jucato | slowly, little by little, as my PIM needs grow, I'm starting to dislike kdepim... or at least the default ones... | 05:24 |
| Jucato | started w/ korganizer... | 05:24 |
| nixternal | speaking of which, ryanakca what is up with that egroupware server? I had to delete it because it was annoying me with password requests all of the time...it would never connect, and and top of it, nobody else was using it :( | 05:24 |
| nixternal | I like KDEPIM, I switched from Mutt about 3 years ago and it is rocking along for me | 05:25 |
| nixternal | it rarely crashes for me | 05:25 |
| Jucato | well I have to be more specific... kdepim includes a lot of apps :) | 05:25 |
| Jucato | korganizer, kaddressbook, knotes.. those are bugging me :) | 05:25 |
| Jucato | and kontact integration of knotes and akgregator... :) | 05:26 |
| nixternal | heh, I use knotes to hold silly passwords that I can't change..ie mailing lists and revu | 05:29 |
| nixternal | if people were to go through them though, they would think they were errors the way they are | 05:29 |
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| nixternal | uboontu.com does not work with Konqi...yay! | 06:23 |
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| gnomefreak | what is uboontu.com? | 06:33 |
| jpatrick | a search site for stuff from official sources (appartently) | 06:33 |
| gnomefreak | ah thats right they renamed the ubuntu search engine | 06:33 |
| gnomefreak | jpatrick: i believe it uses tuxfaimly.com or a site like that | 06:33 |
| nixternal | I am hungry...who is buying lunch? | 06:36 |
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| gnomefreak | or not let me see if ubuntu search is still around | 06:37 |
| gnomefreak | ah it isnt the same one :) | 06:38 |
| jeroenvrp | Riddell: what is the reason that the language packs of kde 3.5.8 are already in the repos. are we going to have 3.5.8 in gutsy? | 06:52 |
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| Riddell | jeroenvrp: it's not 3.5.8, it's just a snapshot from yesterday | 06:54 |
| Riddell | but I might do the same with the rest of KDE 3.5 | 06:55 |
| jeroenvrp | Riddell: well kde 3.5.8 will be released oct 15 as I understood | 06:55 |
| jeroenvrp | thanks for your answere | 06:56 |
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| gnomefreak | oct 15th is good but that is still a slim chance that we can get it in repo afaik | 07:03 |
| mhb | impossible, I guess | 07:06 |
| mhb | if you talk about Gutsy final | 07:06 |
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| gnomefreak | mhb: thats what i was thinking too it only gives 4 days to get it in but kde 3.5.8 is a security update no? | 07:08 |
| gnomefreak | upstream security update | 07:09 |
| gnomefreak | i believe we release around 18-19 | 07:10 |
| mhb | gnomefreak: upstream security update which is not tested much | 07:10 |
| gnomefreak | true | 07:10 |
| mhb | something could break when building packages or such, and we would be in big trouble | 07:12 |
| mhb | KDE is not a small component of Kubuntu | 07:13 |
| gnomefreak | yeah i just forgot we need testing time as well | 07:13 |
| gnomefreak | nothing small about kde at all | 07:13 |
| Tm_T | testing? why? | 07:14 |
| Tm_T | you dont trust our mad skillz? | 07:14 |
| gnomefreak | we need to make sure it breaks for only you Tm_T | 07:15 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 07:15 |
| Tm_T | I see | 07:15 |
| Tm_T | then please do testing | 07:15 |
| mhb | Tm_T: if we didnt trust you, would we use and promote your app as the major component of our distribution? :D | 07:16 |
| gnomefreak | Tm_T: has an app? | 07:16 |
| gnomefreak | does it organize music by chance/ | 07:17 |
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| Tm_T | ? | 07:17 |
| mhb | gnomefreak: I address the "you" in "our mad skillz" | 07:17 |
| DaSkreech | We had this mad skillz talk already :) | 07:17 |
| Tm_T | hahahaha | 07:17 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 07:17 |
| Tm_T | DaSkreech: so true =) | 07:17 |
| mhb | because I thought "our" means "KDE" | 07:18 |
| Tm_T | yes KDE/Kubuntu | 07:18 |
| gnomefreak | kde != kubuntu | 07:18 |
| gnomefreak | atleast not really | 07:18 |
| Tm_T | gnomefreak: and? | 07:18 |
| gnomefreak | :( | 07:19 |
| mhb | I am sure the KDE release will be quite good, but it is too late to do testing on Kubuntu side of things - it is simply past the "we accept stuff from upstream" deadline | 07:19 |
| Riddell | gnomefreak: it's not a security update, it would go in backports | 07:19 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 07:19 |
| Tm_T | Riddell: I thought so too | 07:19 |
| Tm_T | gnomefreak: security updates are and will be patched to current versions directly | 07:20 |
| Tm_T | IIRC | 07:20 |
| Tm_T | so we cant use that as an excuse =) | 07:21 |
| gnomefreak | normally a good idea just im used to seeing example: firefox 2.0.0.4 > 2.0.0.5 security updates | 07:21 |
| gnomefreak | last number changes for that, i might be confused but i thought most were like that | 07:21 |
| Tm_T | gnomefreak: yes, but KDE doesnt release things that way | 07:22 |
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| Tm_T | that would be silly, one app is totally different scale than DE | 07:22 |
| gnomefreak | reason kde doesnt do it that way would be becaseu its a cluster of programs not just one | 07:23 |
| Tm_T | yup | 07:24 |
| gnomefreak | same reason why gnone 2.20 isnt securoty update for 2.19 | 07:24 |
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| === Tm_T thinks GNOME needs security fix that replaces it with KDE | ||
| gnomefreak | lol | 07:27 |
| DaSkreech | How does Gnome work? | 07:29 |
| DaSkreech | don't htey have odd even releases? | 07:29 |
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| DaSkreech | Tm_T: that would be Windows | 07:30 |
| DaSkreech | Oh I got my desktop manager to crash in VIsta :) | 07:30 |
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| Riddell | fabo: how come debian doesn't have the new clucene? | 07:31 |
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| DaSkreech | Riddell: clucene is needed for strigi? | 08:31 |
| stdin | libclucene0 and libcluceneindex0 | 08:32 |
| Riddell | yes | 08:32 |
| DaSkreech | ok was trying to recall where I had heard that before | 08:32 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: seems like the updated knm applet will be out thursday. | 08:49 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: so it can be included :) | 08:50 |
| innovati | new intel iMac, will kubuntu 7.10 work out of the box for it? | 08:51 |
| nosrednaekim | innovati: wrong channel, please go to #kubuntu, or for gutsy. #ubuntu+1 | 08:51 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: if it's packaged right away | 08:54 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Looks the the Konsole PTY problem may affect more machines than we thought: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-kde3/+bug/117731/comments/27 | 08:56 |
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| ubotu | Launchpad bug 117731 in python-kde3 "Python crashes after attaching pty to a konsole kpart" [High,Fix committed] | 08:56 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: sure | 09:07 |
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| Riddell | ScottK: going to approve bug 127922? | 09:35 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 127922 in feisty-backports "Please backport lighttpd v1.4.16 from Gutsy to Feisty" [Wishlist,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/127922 | 09:35 |
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| ScottK | Riddell: Once some indicates that it works (not just builds), yes. I'll comment to that effect in the bug. | 09:37 |
| Riddell | ScottK: what about bug 135780, has someone indicated that it works? | 09:37 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 135780 in feisty-backports "Please backport postfix 2.4.5-3 to Feisty from Gutsy" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135780 | 09:37 |
| ScottK | Yes. I did. | 09:38 |
| ScottK | I tested that one myself. | 09:38 |
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| ScottK | The someone loose gold standard for backports is b/i/r (builds, installs, runs). | 09:39 |
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| Riddell | ScottK: bug 144870 isn't ready for action yet, or am I missing something? | 09:55 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 144870 in scponly "[Sync request] Sync scponly (4.6-1.1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/144870 | 09:55 |
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| ScottK | Riddell: Since it's filed by a MOTU and has no new upstream version, it should be fine. | 09:56 |
| Riddell | oh wait, it's a sync, for some reason I was thinking of backports | 09:56 |
| ScottK | No problem | 09:56 |
| ScottK | While you're on syncs, Bug 147779 has a special place in my heart .... | 09:57 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 147779 in libspf2 "Please sync libspf2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147779 | 09:57 |
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| Riddell | I was just looking at that one | 10:01 |
| ScottK | And? | 10:02 |
| fabo | Riddell: for clucene, AFAIK strigi doesn't completely support latest clucene. i'll ask jos and ben to know if the situation improved. | 10:03 |
| DaSkreech | well we should probably have it anyway for when it does | 10:06 |
| DaSkreech | strigi is not shipping on by default in +1? | 10:06 |
| Riddell | it seems to from my quick testing | 10:08 |
| Riddell | I've had KDE developers say it's required for current SVN | 10:08 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Did you decide not to do the libspf2 sync? | 10:11 |
| Riddell | ScottK: why? I did it | 10:12 |
| ScottK | Riddell: OK. I just didn't see a notification yet then. Sometime it takes LP a while to notice. Thanks. | 10:13 |
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| ScottK | Riddell: Finally got the notification. Thanks again. | 10:20 |
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| amachu | hi.. any one can help me locating kubuntu-installer for gutsy | 10:22 |
| amachu | its link in launchpad? | 10:22 |
| nosrednaekim | amachu: its called ubiquity | 10:23 |
| amachu | is it both same for ubuntu & kubuntu | 10:23 |
| amachu | ? | 10:23 |
| nosrednaekim | I'm not sure. | 10:29 |
| nosrednaekim | the backend is | 10:29 |
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| Riddell | yes, it's the same | 10:35 |
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| mhb | what is unattended-upgrades and is it set on by default? | 10:44 |
| fdoving | auto-installing of security updates. | 10:47 |
| fdoving | have a look in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ | 10:47 |
| fdoving | i'm not sure what the defaults are. | 10:47 |
| fdoving | might be the 'Install security updates without confirmation' option in software-properties-kde | 10:48 |
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| angasule | what exactly is the update policy for programs in a stable ubuntu branch? for example, a program has a bug that causes a crash and has been fixed upstream, any chance we'll benefit from it or we have to wait till gutsy? | 11:50 |
| Riddell | updates are available, but the process is quite long and fiddly and must have only the minimal changes | 11:51 |
| Riddell | angasule: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/StableReleaseUpdates | 11:52 |
| ScottK | Depending on which package is involved, it's less long/fiddly if it's in Universe. | 11:53 |
| angasule | thanks, I was curious about the general situation, | 11:53 |
| angasule | in this particular case, the crashing app is ktorrent | 11:53 |
| angasule | I guess it doesn't count as "losing data", although the lost time is just as important to me (since I'm not getting data after it crashes, obviously) | 11:54 |
| ScottK | angasule: In that case, talk to jdong (probably in #ubuntu-motu) as he pays a lot of attention to ktorrent. | 11:55 |
| angasule | thanks! | 11:55 |
| Riddell | nixternal: fancy writing another short dot article? (similar format to last one, pointing at http://lwn.net/Articles/250358/ if you do) | 12:01 |
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