[12:55] <nixternal> how so?
[12:55] <nixternal> heh
[12:57] <nixternal> groovy
[01:26] <jeroenvrp> hey are we going to have a kde 3.5.8 release?
[01:33] <jjesse> evening :)
[01:45] <jeroenvrp> found this page http://www.kde.org/announcements/changelogs/changelog3_5_7to3_5_8.php
[01:46] <jeroenvrp> anyone: is kde 3.5.8 going to be part of Gutsy, so early before oct 18?!
[01:54] <DaSkreech> Will networkmanager 0.7 ship in Gutsy?
[01:57] <jeroenvrp> DaSkreech: not according this list http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=network-manager+&searchon=names&subword=1&version=gutsy&release=all
[02:04] <DaSkreech>  Blast :-)
[02:10] <jjesse> morning jussio1
[02:10] <jjesse> doh
[02:10] <jjesse> morning Jucato
[02:11] <Jucato> heheh good morning! :)
[02:11] <Jucato> you got it right :)
[02:11] <Jucato> and good evening for you :P
[02:12] <Jucato> heheh
[02:16] <jeroenvrp> http://extragear.kde.org/apps/yakuake/ 2.8 final is t
[02:16] <jeroenvrp> out
[02:17] <jeroenvrp> hopefully it wileplace the beta version in gutsy
[02:17] <jeroenvrp> anyone: is kde 3.5.8 going to be part of Gutsy, so early before oct 18?!
[02:19] <Jucato> I'm not sure if there are big significant changes between the beta and the final. I'll have to ask the maintainer (if he's still awake)
[02:20] <Jucato> but since we're on freeze already, I wonder if we could still do a version bump....
[02:20] <jjesse> i think the worst coffee known to man is hotel coffee
[02:20] <jeroenvrp> Jucato: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Yakuake?content=29153 forthe chanlog and iyis always  good void beta's
[02:22] <Jucato> heh Changes *since* 2.8-beta1... he has to choose his words better :P
[02:22] <Jucato> or at least be more consistent...
[02:23] <Jucato> jjesse: I have not yet had the pleasure/displeasure of experiencing living/dining in a hotel :)
[02:23] <jeroenvrp> Jucato: but what about kde 3.5.8
[02:23] <jjesse> Jucato: i'm a consualtant -- on the road 3 out every 4 weeks
[02:23] <jeroenvrp> it seems a pre-version is accepted
[02:23] <Jucato> jjesse: I've noticed...
[02:24] <jeroenvrp> I doubt that is a good thing
[02:24] <jjesse> i have over 110 nights in a hotel since march 1st
[02:24] <jeroenvrp> oh well
[02:24] <Jucato> jeroenvrp: you'll have to ask Riddell about 3.5.8... but I'm not sure if it will make it for Gutsy. perhaps kubuntu.org packages after gutsy
[02:24] <Jucato> jjesse: wow... :)  :(  :/
[02:25] <jjesse> tell me about it
[02:25] <Jucato> jjesse: wow... :)  :(  :/ <--- telling you about it
[02:25] <jjesse> grin :)
[02:25] <Jucato> hehehe
[02:26] <jjesse> Jucato: we should somehow get together in real life, i think we would have fun hanging out
[02:26] <Jucato> sure! tell me when you're in the neighborhood :)
[02:26] <jeroenvrp> Jucato: see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/gutsy-changes/2007-October/subject.html
[02:27] <jeroenvrp> allthough I only see language packages (yet)
[02:28] <Jucato> you'll have to ask Riddell. safe answer :)
[02:28] <jeroenvrp> Jucato: yeah I know, I will ask tomorrow
[02:28] <Jucato> coz I don't think it would be very nice to ship with kde-3.5.8-svn :)
[02:29] <jeroenvrp> 3.5.8 will be sent to the packagers on the 7th and released if all is fine, on the 15th
[02:29] <jeroenvrp> so no svn, but very close to the 18th
[02:37] <Hobbsee> probbaly depends on how stable, etc it is
[02:37] <Jucato> because we'd have to ask for exception for it right?
[02:37] <Jucato> and morning Hobbsee! :)
[02:41] <DaSkreech> Wheeee
[02:44] <jjesse> did everyone drop connection?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> there was a netsplit, yes
[02:46] <jjesse> oh
[02:46] <jjesse> hello Hobbsee
[02:46] <Hobbsee> hiya
[02:46] <Jucato> I just love these netsplits! :)
[02:46] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!!!!! :)
[02:49] <Hobbsee> hi Jucato!
[02:52] <jjesse> wow they sure don't make it easy sometimes to book the flight you want to book
[02:56] <DaSkreech> I lived :)
[02:57] <Hobbsee> O.O  http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2007/10/yes-sarah-im-still-alive.html
[02:57] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: klined?  nah...
[02:58] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: Mispelt Sarah
[02:58] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: that wasnt what i was looking at
[02:59] <DaSkreech> His poke at Aussie?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> no
[03:12] <nixternal> well hello there
[03:13] <jjesse> hello
[03:13] <nixternal> 90% complete on my super duper, multi-threaded, high speed, distributable address book
[03:13] <nixternal> java rox!
[03:13] <nixternal> howdy jjesse
[03:13] <jjesse> howdy nixternal
[03:13] <Jucato> lol!
[03:13] <nixternal> you want the office last week?
[03:13] <jjesse> me?  yeah i loved the office last week
[03:13] <nixternal> s/want/watch
[03:13] <Jucato> we should be updating !nixternal soon :)
[03:13] <nixternal> hahaha...I watched it, and actually liked that show
[03:14] <nixternal> Jucato: update it to what?
[03:14] <Jucato> add java-loving :)
[03:14] <nixternal> hehe
[03:14] <nixternal> Java is nice
[03:14] <Jucato> :)
[03:14] <nixternal> it is perfect for code dummies like me
[03:14] <nixternal> :)
[03:14] <Jucato> you? code  dummy? c'mon! :P
[03:15] <DaSkreech> Weren't we just talking about Hotel java?
[03:15] <nixternal> oh ya, that is why I am taking c++ classes...I need to knock the rust off
[03:15] <jjesse> anyone running kde4 and getting KNotify crash notices every 2 minutes or so?
[03:15] <jjesse> DaSkreech: yes we were talking about hotel coffee :)
[03:15] <nixternal> I used to code c++ in the 90s, but what I did was totally different than what we are familiar with
[03:15] <Jucato> espresso would be nice right now...
[03:20] <jjesse> love this bug #147865
[03:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147865 in knetdockapp "Knetdockapp only shows packets on Kubuntu 7.10 Beta" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/147865
[03:20] <jjesse> doh
[03:20] <jjesse> wrong one
[03:21] <jjesse> bug #147864
[03:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147864 in ubuntu "Profanity in error message" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/147864
[03:22] <DaSkreech> damn can You get someone's e-mail from a blogger profile?
[03:23] <Jucato> "Indeed this is from the SucKIT rootkit; the ostentatious usage of the f-word in error messages is a real giveaway. Pull the network cable please, your system has been compromised."  - hahah :)
[03:23] <Jucato> poor guy
[03:23] <jjesse> yeah i saw that
[03:23] <DaSkreech> *blinks*
[03:26] <DaSkreech> No one wears a kilt quite like Jonathan
[03:27] <Jucato> *blinks*
[03:28] <DaSkreech> ah ha!
[03:28] <DaSkreech> tell me where you got your quote and I'll tell you where I got mine!
[03:42] <DaSkreech> ah
[03:43] <Jucato> heh
[03:43] <Jucato> nixternal: congrats on the Dot article :)
[03:46] <DaSkreech> Why would a rootkit announce itself?
[03:53] <nixternal> why thank you
[04:10] <DaSkreech> Ok so I updated Emacs
[04:10] <DaSkreech> to 22
[04:10] <DaSkreech>  but 21 still starts
[04:10] <DaSkreech> how's it doing that?
[04:22] <DaSkreech> http://vocamus.net/dave/?p=40
[04:22] <DaSkreech> I love that story
[04:48] <jjesse> nixternal: congrats on being a dot editor now
[04:50] <Jucato> yay
[04:50] <Jucato> (boo!)
[04:50] <DaSkreech> conflicted there?
[04:51] <Jucato> oh I mean't BOOL, which is defined as true :)
[04:51] <jjesse> wow this hotel's wireless sucks
[04:52] <DaSkreech> yeah
[04:52] <DaSkreech> it's a hotel
[04:53] <jjesse> actually some hotelo's have really good connections
[05:12] <nixternal> thanks
[05:13] <nixternal> actually...I don't think I am an editor...I just wrote up that story for Riddelll and he posted it for me
[05:13] <Jucato> that's even better. get other people to do the dirty work for you :)
[05:13] <nixternal> heh
[05:14] <Jucato> that's so nixternal :)
[05:14] <Jucato> bwahahah P
[05:14] <Jucato> :P
[05:14] <nixternal> that it is
[06:09] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Is Wednesady A good day to upgrade to Gutsy?
[06:20] <DaSkreech> See you all tomorrow
[08:43] <stdin> I don't like that bug 138189 has been marked as Fix Released
[08:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138189 in pykdeextensions "application tries to dlopen /usr/lib/libpython2.5.so (only found in the -dev package) " [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138189
[08:44] <stdin> making a -dev package a dep of a binary lib package is not a "Fix", it's a workaround at best
[08:46] <Hobbsee> i think Riddelll knows - it was only ever a workaround
[08:47] <stdin> hope so, just doesn't "feel" right to me
[10:02] <Riddelll> stdin: no, it's wrong, fixes welcome
[10:03] <_StefanS_> Riddelll: there's a bugfix release for knm, can it make it into gutsy?
[10:03] <_StefanS_> Riddelll: it can be released this week or next
[10:03] <_StefanS_> Riddelll: 0.2.1
[10:03] <Jucato> hm.. lots of questions about KDE 3.5.8 on gutsy... will it make it?
[10:04] <_StefanS_> Jucato: is there any significant changes?
[10:04] <Jucato> bug fixes mostly I guess
[10:05] <_StefanS_> uhm, I dont think there's really many bugs (?)
[10:05] <Jucato> after all, it is just a maintenance release :)
[10:05] <Jucato> I really don't know. just fielding questions
[10:05] <_StefanS_> Riddelll: I would then tell them to get going with the release, and alert tonio (or I might do it) to package it.
[10:05] <Riddelll> _StefanS_: if it's bug fixes only that's probably ok
[10:06] <_StefanS_> Riddelll: it is. Thats also what I thought, but I wanted to be sure.
[10:08] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I just wrote them on knm list, so lets hope we can make it. There's alot of fixes on WPA.
[10:08] <Riddell> Jucato: I don't know, the timing is pretty bad (same for KDE 4 beta 3)
[10:08] <Riddell> we might be best to take an SVN snapshot instead
 3.5.8 will be sent to the packagers on the 7th and released if all is fine, on the 15th
[10:09] <Jucato> one of the guys asking about it.
[10:09] <Jucato> another is sredna (the kate guy) in #kubuntu...
[10:58] <meduxa> hi all
[10:59] <meduxa> thank you guys for publish the post in fridge about what we are doing in the canaries
[10:59] <meduxa> it help us a lot to keep going and break walls
[11:00] <Riddell> meduxa: it's on the Dot too
[11:00] <meduxa> yes
[11:01] <meduxa> great news
[11:25] <acemo> how do i get mpg to work on kubuntu 7.10?
[11:25] <Riddell> acemo: #kubuntu
[11:26] <acemo> ohh, thought #kubuntu was for the current version only, sorry =)
[02:17] <aantipop> ksystemlog doesnt show any logs for kernel or boot
[02:18] <aantipop> is this normal ?
[02:27] <nixternal> heh, the new issue of the Ubuntu magazine, the Kubuntu stuff on p.25, is copied/pasted directly from our release notes on the wiki :)
[02:30] <Jucato> heh good thing you made them so perfectly :)
[02:31] <nixternal> they look better in the magazine though :)
[02:31] <Jucato> hehe :)
[02:31] <nixternal> he made one booboo, and I see the oh so popular PCLOS vs. Ubuntu artile I found last month has made its way through the community, in lightning speed at that
[02:32] <nixternal> "...there are no known Linux viruses in the wild."
[02:32] <Jucato> but the new "versus"
[02:32] <Jucato> er.. sorry about that
[02:32] <nixternal> actually, there are quite a few, but they don't even work at all
[02:32] <Jucato> in the wild? there are? O.o
[02:33] <nixternal> you would have to run your system as root in order to get infected
[02:33] <nixternal> ya, some people created some to prove it can be done
[02:33] <Jucato> bite meh!
[02:33] <nixternal> they pretty much are, but some people have tried to infect others
[02:33] <nixternal> hehe
[02:34] <Jucato> anyway, it seems the new "versus" theme lately is Kubuntu vs. PC-BSD 1.4
[02:34] <Jucato> 4 KDE distros released within days/weeks of each other... didn't sabdfl want synergy? :)
[02:34] <Jucato> 4 "big" KDE distros I mean
[02:35] <nixternal> orly?
[02:35] <nixternal> PC-BSD has gotten much nicer
[02:35] <Jucato> PC-BSD 1.4 last week, openSUSE 10.3 and Mandriva 2008 this week. then Kubuntu on the 18th
[02:35] <ubotu> Mandriva bug 2008 in Core Packages "reloading the user config or system menu closes the menudrake window" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate]  http://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2008
[02:35] <Jucato> O.o
[02:35] <nixternal> heh
[02:35] <Jucato> roflmao
[02:35] <Riddell> aantipop: it's improper, but I don't have time to look into it
[02:36] <nixternal> wait a sec...our belove ubotu tracks the enemy?!?!
[02:36] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[02:36] <Jucato> nixternal: even mozilla bugs I think
[02:36] <Jucato> mozilla 1234
[02:36] <ubotu> Mozilla bug 1234 in Style System (CSS) "we need default style for the html 4 style tags" [Normal,Verified: fixed]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1234
[02:36] <Jucato> :D
[02:36] <nixternal> I knew that, and also Debian, but I didn't know about Mandriva as well
[02:36] <Jucato> Novell 1234
[02:36] <nixternal> haha
[02:36] <Jucato> nah
[02:37] <Jucato> oh wait.. it just said it didnt' exist
[02:37] <Jucato> but it tracks it
[02:37] <nixternal> did it message you?
[02:37] <Jucato> yep
[02:37] <nixternal> ahhh
[02:37] <Jucato> Novell 100
[02:37] <Jucato> hehe got tired :)
[02:37] <Jucato> Seveas is going to kill me :P
[02:38] <nixternal> 07:37:58 [    ubotu]  Error: Error getting Novell bug #190347: NotPermitted
[02:38] <nixternal> interesting
[02:38] <Jucato> heheh
[02:38] <Jucato> wonder if it tracks pclos too lol
[02:39] <nixternal> heh, PCLOS is the new Lindows
[02:39] <Jucato> aah redhat's there
[02:39] <nixternal> ubotu is a spy!
[02:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is a spy! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:39] <nixternal> shush you silly bot
[02:39] <Jucato> lol
[02:41] <nixternal> you know, if I did icons on the desktop, I think the way Gnome does them is pretty sharp...with the previews and what not...does KDE do this as well? I haven't used a desktop icon in ages
[02:42] <Jucato> yeah I think so
[02:43] <Jucato> I don't have icons either
[02:43] <Jucato> I have lots of panel icons though
[02:46] <nixternal> hrmm, the full circle is in copyright violation...oooh I'm telling :p
[02:46] <Jucato> lol
[02:46] <Jucato> tattle tale!
[02:46] <nixternal> hehe...silly cc licenses
[02:47] <Jucato> ugh! don't even get me started thinking about licenses!
[02:47] <Jucato> it's so easy for software... GPL or BSD... but for content... nooooo!
[02:48] <nixternal> only reason I realised this, is because in our composition class, we just covered plagerism and copyright violations...oddly enough
[02:48] <Jucato> they don't cover spelling though :)
[02:48] <nixternal> the only thing from making virtualbox perfect, screenshotting
[02:48] <nixternal> especially my spelling
[02:49] <Jucato> gr.. virtualbox-ose still isn't fixed on gutsy :(
[02:49] <nixternal> what is the issue with it?
[02:49] <Jucato> it requires modules that weren't packaged with it :)
[02:49] <nixternal> I was just using the feisty deb they have linked on their website
[02:49] <nixternal> ahh
[02:49] <Jucato> so basically you can run virtualbox itself, but can't start any VM
[02:50] <nixternal> well that is silly
[02:50] <Jucato> vmware's situation is funny too...
[02:50] <Jucato> vmware-player depends on vmware-modules which depend on a virtual package
[02:50] <nixternal> vmware at least gives me the screenshot ability, but it is slower than vbox
[02:50] <Jucato> not much slower than qemu+kqemu I bet :P
[02:50] <nixternal> the fastest virtual software I have tried, is microsoft's virtual pc
[02:50] <nixternal> it is similar, very similar to vbox, but whicked fast
[02:51] <Jucato> I think I tried that before too... 2005... can't recall
[02:51] <nixternal> almost like having the real os up and running natively
[02:51] <nixternal> I just gave 2007 a shot to see how it was in comparison with vbox and vmware
[02:51] <nixternal> you have to do some tricks in order to get *nix to work in it though
[02:52] <nixternal> ie. it sets up a neomagic or s3 display driver for some stupid reason, so you need to reconfig x to use vesa, and you also have to add something to xorg.conf to get the mouse to work
[02:54] <Jucato> :)
[02:55] <Jucato> hm... will the technique of installing "kubuntu-desktop" over Ubuntu or "ubuntu-desktop" over Kubuntu not work well anymore?
[02:55] <nixternal> Riddell: what is the final day in which we can upload kubuntu-docs into main? I would like to get as much translation as possible complete before the last package
[02:56] <nixternal> couldn't tell you, I have never tried
[02:56] <aantipop> Riddell: the problem with ksystemlog is: Kernel log is just not pointed to /var/log/kern.log.0 by default. The Reason for no boot log is this bug i guess: https://bugs.launchpad.net/upstart/+bug/98955
[02:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98955 in upstart "logd not running" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[02:58] <Riddell> nixternal: not sure, maybe october 12th?
[02:59] <Riddell> nixternal: you might want to ask pitti when the final language pack upload will be, that seems like a good time to match
[02:59] <Riddell> aantipop: fancy doing patches for those?
[03:00] <aantipop> Riddell: i have _no_ idea, im just a user, sorry
[03:02] <aantipop> all i could do is file a bug against ksystemlog and hope someone else fixes ;P
[03:02] <Riddell> aantipop: fair enough, and thanks for reporting, I can't guarantee it'll get fixed for release though, there's lots of other issues that need attention
[03:02] <Riddell> aantipop: I suspect there will already be such bugs, you could add a comment with your discoveries
[03:02] <aantipop> allright, its not a big issue anyway
[03:03] <Jucato> nixternal: btw, did you see what I ping'ed you earlier about strigi?
[03:04] <Jucato> (much earlier... like days earlier)
[03:13] <nixternal> what about strigi?
[03:13] <nixternal> I am testing the build for yakuake-2.8 final release
[03:13] <Jucato> yay it will make it? :)
[03:13] <nixternal> if it is only closing one bug, I don't know
[03:14] <Jucato> nixternal: the one you mentioned in the beta page is the strigi kicker applet, not the system tray applet  I think
[03:14] <nixternal> oh
[03:14] <nixternal> I have no clue....I am not using strigi because I am scared after reading all of the bad stuff recently about it :)
[03:14] <Jucato> and still happening I think :)
[03:15] <Jucato> but I pointed you to Riddell's blog post about it :P
[03:15] <nixternal> ahh, yet another blog to read? who is that guy anyways? :p
[03:15] <Jucato> hahaha
[03:15] <nixternal> hehe, Aaron said "nobody can wear a kilt like Jonathan" :)
[03:16] <Jucato> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2973
[03:16] <Jucato> although he did say "quilt" first hahaha
[03:16] <nixternal> haha ya
[03:16] <nixternal> I didn't catch it at first, thought it was a double post
[03:16] <Jucato> ditto :)
[03:16] <nixternal> Jucato: I screenshotted that I though
[03:16] <nixternal> oh no I didn't
[03:17] <Jucato> nixternal: you screnshotted the kicker applet (search bar like deskbar)
[03:17] <nixternal> well, I know if you look at the first screeny, you will see I typed something in the kicker applet, but I didn't get that popup at all like in his screeny
[03:18] <Jucato> oh yeah...
[03:18] <Jucato> hello world.. heheh
[03:18] <nixternal> haha
[03:18] <Jucato> he's one of the lucky ones to actually get strigi to work :P
[03:18] <nixternal> it is easy to miss, since I didn't get the cool menu like he did
[03:18] <nixternal> he is a cheater, that's why :)
[03:19] <nixternal> I haven't looked at strigi code...it is c# right?
[03:19] <Jucato> it's easy to miss because of the big konqueror window distracting me :P
[03:19] <nixternal> heh
[03:19] <Jucato> and you didn't get the spinning throbber either :P
[03:19] <nixternal> does strigi use mono?
[03:20] <nixternal> relibtoolization seems to be hit or miss with some packages it seems
[03:24] <Riddell> nixternal: certainly not
[03:24] <Riddell> strigi is in c++
[03:24] <nixternal> ok
[03:24] <nixternal> beagle is mono then?
[03:24] <Jucato> yep
[03:24] <nixternal> that's right, I remember you complaining about mono
[03:25] <nixternal> and kerry, not john kerry, but kerry beagle :p
[03:26] <Jucato> heheh
[03:26] <nixternal> you had to google john kerry didn't you?
[03:26] <Jucato> no
[03:26] <Jucato> :P
[03:26] <nixternal> haha
[03:27] <nixternal> he is the great american flip-flopper...he got chewed up and spit out during our last presidential elections...good stuff
[03:27] <Jucato> GNOME will slowly be overrun by Mono, I tell you.. just you wait :)
[03:27] <nixternal> ya, they are some c# freaks
[03:27] <nixternal> mono and python
[03:27] <Jucato> and also the butt of gags and spoofs :)
[03:27] <Jucato> (kerry I mean)
[03:27] <nixternal> put them together, and you have a sick snake :)
[03:29] <nixternal> always good to see the new yakuake builds and works...now if I could only tell what has been fixed
[03:29] <Jucato> changelog?
[03:30] <Jucato> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Yakuake?content=29153
[03:30] <nixternal> have you ever read one of Sho_'s changelogs?
[03:30] <Jucato> that one there on kde-apps I have :)
[03:30] <nixternal> I always thought that Changelogs should be written in laymen's terms, but he incorporates his class names, function names, data types, and the rest in his :)
[03:31] <nixternal> ya, same one I have...which is a better one to read :)
[03:31] <Riddell> Jucato: going to package it?
[03:31] <Jucato> Riddell: nixeternal already is :)
[03:32] <nixternal> I need to put it in my PPA, and respond to the bug posts and see if people still experience the bugs
[03:32] <Jucato> lol nixternal haha
[03:32] <Jucato> sorry
[03:32] <nixternal> Riddell: I just finished packaging it
[03:32] <Riddell> excellent
[03:32] <nixternal> I am running it right now, and I must say, you have never looked better
[03:32] <nixternal> err, that was silly :)
[03:32] <Jucato> hahaha
[03:33] <nixternal> as it stands, I can only see where the final would only close one bug..is that enough to get a UVF acked?
[03:33] <Jucato> how about that xinerama thingy?
[03:33] <nixternal> argh, I need to start getting ready
[03:34] <nixternal> ya, that might be another issue which was reported in LP, that is why I would like to see it tested by the users first before closing the bug with the changelog
[03:34] <nixternal> I shall return in a few hours, I need to get rolling....Java is calling me unfortunately
[03:34] <Jucato> btw, what do you do when for example, this app (like yakuake) has a new version that Debian doesn't have yet? how do you package it? from scratch?
[03:34] <Jucato> yuck! lol
[03:35] <nixternal> no, I use uupdate -u most of the times to just update from a previous package
[03:35] <nixternal> but I will do the debian package as well when I get home and upload it to the debian repos
[03:35] <Jucato> uupdate -u? hm.. gotta learn that...
[03:35] <nixternal> bbiaf
[04:24] <bddebian> Heyha
[05:09] <nixternal> yay, I wasn't the only one who didn't finish this java project, but I am much closer than the rest :)
[05:09] <nixternal> yeeeeehaw!
[05:10] <bddebian> heh
[05:14] <Jucato> what's the project about?
[05:19] <nixternal> a client/server, multi-threaded address book
[05:19] <nixternal> simple retardation really
[05:21] <Jucato> if you can port it to C++/Qt/KDE... maybe you can have a better kaddressboook?
[05:22] <nixternal> lol
[05:23] <nixternal> c++ sockets, threads, and all of that good stuff is much better than java
[05:23] <Jucato> I so hated kaddressbook 2 weeks ago... when I was fixing about 100+ contacts...
[05:23] <nixternal> heh, so did I
[05:24] <Jucato> slowly, little by little, as my PIM needs grow, I'm starting to dislike kdepim... or at least the default ones...
[05:24] <Jucato> started w/ korganizer...
[05:24] <nixternal> speaking of which, ryanakca what is up with that egroupware server? I had to delete it because it was annoying me with password requests all of the time...it would never connect, and and top of it, nobody else was using it :(
[05:25] <nixternal> I like KDEPIM, I switched from Mutt about 3 years ago and it is rocking along for me
[05:25] <nixternal> it rarely crashes for me
[05:25] <Jucato> well I have to be more specific... kdepim includes a lot of apps :)
[05:25] <Jucato> korganizer, kaddressbook, knotes.. those are bugging me :)
[05:26] <Jucato> and kontact integration of knotes and akgregator... :)
[05:29] <nixternal> heh, I use knotes to hold silly passwords that I can't change..ie mailing lists and revu
[05:29] <nixternal> if people were to go through them though, they would think they were errors the way they are
[06:23] <nixternal> uboontu.com does not work with Konqi...yay!
[06:33] <gnomefreak> what is uboontu.com?
[06:33] <jpatrick> a search site for stuff from official sources (appartently)
[06:33] <gnomefreak> ah thats right they renamed the ubuntu search engine
[06:33] <gnomefreak> jpatrick: i believe it uses tuxfaimly.com or a site like that
[06:36] <nixternal> I am hungry...who is buying lunch?
[06:37] <gnomefreak> or not let me see if ubuntu search is still around
[06:38] <gnomefreak> ah it isnt the same one :)
[06:52] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: what is the reason that the language packs of kde 3.5.8 are already in the repos. are we going to have 3.5.8 in gutsy?
[06:54] <Riddell> jeroenvrp: it's not 3.5.8, it's just a snapshot from yesterday
[06:55] <Riddell> but I might do the same with the rest of KDE 3.5
[06:55] <jeroenvrp> Riddell: well kde 3.5.8 will be released oct 15 as I understood
[06:56] <jeroenvrp> thanks for your answere
[07:03] <gnomefreak> oct 15th is good but that is still a slim chance that we can get it in repo afaik
[07:06] <mhb> impossible, I guess
[07:06] <mhb> if you talk about Gutsy final
[07:08] <gnomefreak> mhb: thats what i was thinking too it only gives 4 days to get it in but kde 3.5.8 is a security update no?
[07:09] <gnomefreak> upstream security update
[07:10] <gnomefreak> i believe we release around 18-19
[07:10] <mhb> gnomefreak: upstream security update which is not tested much
[07:10] <gnomefreak> true
[07:12] <mhb> something could break when building packages or such, and we would be in big trouble
[07:13] <mhb> KDE is not a small component of Kubuntu
[07:13] <gnomefreak> yeah i just forgot we need testing time as well
[07:13] <gnomefreak> nothing small about kde at all
[07:14] <Tm_T> testing? why?
[07:14] <Tm_T> you dont trust our mad skillz?
[07:15] <gnomefreak> we need to make sure it breaks for only you Tm_T
[07:15] <gnomefreak> :)
[07:15] <Tm_T> I see
[07:15] <Tm_T> then please do testing
[07:16] <mhb> Tm_T: if we didnt trust you, would we use and promote your app as the major component of our distribution? :D
[07:16] <gnomefreak> Tm_T: has an app?
[07:17] <gnomefreak> does it organize music by chance/
[07:17] <Tm_T> ?
[07:17] <mhb> gnomefreak: I address the "you" in "our mad skillz"
[07:17] <DaSkreech> We had this mad skillz talk already :)
[07:17] <Tm_T> hahahaha
[07:17] <gnomefreak> ah
[07:17] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: so true =)
[07:18] <mhb> because I thought "our" means "KDE"
[07:18] <Tm_T> yes KDE/Kubuntu
[07:18] <gnomefreak> kde != kubuntu
[07:18] <gnomefreak> atleast not really
[07:18] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: and?
[07:19] <gnomefreak> :(
[07:19] <mhb> I am sure the KDE release will be quite good, but it is too late to do testing on Kubuntu side of things - it is simply past the "we accept stuff from upstream" deadline
[07:19] <Riddell> gnomefreak: it's not a security update, it would go in backports
[07:19] <gnomefreak> ah
[07:19] <Tm_T> Riddell: I thought so too
[07:20] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: security updates are and will be patched to current versions directly
[07:20] <Tm_T> IIRC
[07:21] <Tm_T> so we cant use that as an excuse =)
[07:21] <gnomefreak> normally a good idea just im used to seeing example: firefox 2.0.0.4 > 2.0.0.5 security updates
[07:21] <gnomefreak> last number changes for that, i might be confused but i thought most were like that
[07:22] <Tm_T> gnomefreak: yes, but KDE doesnt release things that way
[07:22] <Tm_T> that would be silly, one app is totally different scale than DE
[07:23] <gnomefreak> reason kde doesnt do it that way would be becaseu its a cluster of programs not just one
[07:24] <Tm_T> yup
[07:24] <gnomefreak> same reason why gnone 2.20 isnt securoty update for 2.19
[07:27] <gnomefreak> lol
[07:29] <DaSkreech> How does Gnome work?
[07:29] <DaSkreech> don't htey have odd even releases?
[07:30] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: that would be Windows
[07:30] <DaSkreech> Oh I got my desktop manager to crash in VIsta :)
[07:31] <Riddell> fabo: how come debian doesn't have the new clucene?
[08:31] <DaSkreech> Riddell: clucene is needed for strigi?
[08:32] <stdin> libclucene0 and libcluceneindex0
[08:32] <Riddell> yes
[08:32] <DaSkreech> ok was trying to recall where I had heard that before
[08:49] <_StefanS_> Riddell: seems like the updated knm applet will be out thursday.
[08:50] <_StefanS_> Riddell: so it can be included :)
[08:51] <innovati> new intel iMac, will kubuntu 7.10 work out of the box for it?
[08:51] <nosrednaekim> innovati: wrong channel, please go to #kubuntu, or for gutsy. #ubuntu+1
[08:54] <Riddell> _StefanS_: if it's packaged right away
[08:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Looks the the Konsole PTY problem may affect more machines than we thought: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/python-kde3/+bug/117731/comments/27
[08:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 117731 in python-kde3 "Python crashes after attaching pty to a konsole kpart" [High,Fix committed] 
[09:07] <_StefanS_> Riddell: sure
[09:35] <Riddell> ScottK: going to approve bug 127922?
[09:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127922 in feisty-backports "Please backport lighttpd v1.4.16 from Gutsy to Feisty" [Wishlist,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127922
[09:37] <ScottK> Riddell: Once some indicates that it works (not just builds), yes.  I'll comment to that effect in the bug.
[09:37] <Riddell> ScottK: what about bug 135780, has someone indicated that it works?
[09:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 135780 in feisty-backports "Please backport postfix 2.4.5-3 to Feisty from Gutsy" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135780
[09:38] <ScottK> Yes. I did.
[09:38] <ScottK> I tested that one myself.
[09:39] <ScottK> The someone loose gold standard for backports is b/i/r (builds, installs, runs).
[09:55] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 144870 isn't ready for action yet, or am I missing something?
[09:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 144870 in scponly "[Sync request]  Sync scponly (4.6-1.1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/144870
[09:56] <ScottK> Riddell: Since it's filed by a MOTU and has no new upstream version, it should be fine.
[09:56] <Riddell> oh wait, it's a sync, for some reason I was thinking of backports
[09:56] <ScottK> No problem
[09:57] <ScottK> While you're on syncs, Bug 147779 has a special place in my heart ....
[09:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147779 in libspf2 "Please sync libspf2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/147779
[10:01] <Riddell> I was just looking at that one
[10:02] <ScottK> And?
[10:03] <fabo> Riddell: for clucene, AFAIK strigi doesn't completely support latest clucene. i'll ask jos and ben to know if the situation improved.
[10:06] <DaSkreech> well we should probably have it anyway for when it does
[10:06] <DaSkreech> strigi is not shipping on by default in +1?
[10:08] <Riddell> it seems to from my quick testing
[10:08] <Riddell> I've had KDE developers say it's required for current SVN
[10:11] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you decide not to do the libspf2 sync?
[10:12] <Riddell> ScottK: why? I did it
[10:13] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I just didn't see a notification yet then.  Sometime it takes LP a while to notice.  Thanks.
[10:20] <ScottK> Riddell: Finally got the notification.  Thanks again.
[10:22] <amachu> hi.. any one can help me locating kubuntu-installer for gutsy
[10:22] <amachu> its link in launchpad?
[10:23] <nosrednaekim> amachu: its called ubiquity
[10:23] <amachu> is it both same for ubuntu & kubuntu
[10:23] <amachu> ?
[10:29] <nosrednaekim> I'm not sure.
[10:29] <nosrednaekim> the backend is
[10:35] <Riddell> yes, it's the same
[10:44] <mhb> what is unattended-upgrades and is it set on by default?
[10:47] <fdoving> auto-installing of security updates.
[10:47] <fdoving> have a look in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/
[10:47] <fdoving> i'm not sure what the defaults are.
[10:48] <fdoving> might be the 'Install security updates without confirmation' option in software-properties-kde
[11:50] <angasule> what exactly is the update policy for programs in a stable ubuntu branch? for example, a program has a bug that causes a crash and has been fixed upstream, any chance we'll benefit from it or we have to wait till gutsy?
[11:51] <Riddell> updates are available, but the process is quite long and fiddly and must have only the minimal changes
[11:52] <Riddell> angasule: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/StableReleaseUpdates
[11:53] <ScottK> Depending on which package is involved, it's less long/fiddly if it's in Universe.
[11:53] <angasule> thanks, I was curious about the general situation,
[11:53] <angasule> in this particular case, the crashing app is ktorrent
[11:54] <angasule> I guess it doesn't count as "losing data", although the lost time is just as important to me (since I'm not getting data after it crashes, obviously)
[11:55] <ScottK> angasule: In that case, talk to jdong (probably in #ubuntu-motu) as he pays a lot of attention to ktorrent.
[11:55] <angasule> thanks!
[12:01] <Riddell> nixternal: fancy writing another short dot article?  (similar format to last one, pointing at http://lwn.net/Articles/250358/ if you do)