intelikeyok. dispence with the sarcasm already genii   ;)))12:40
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intelikeyi misspell everything.  and we all know it.12:40
geniinot commands12:41
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bleep3nopes it didnt work12:41
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ScorpKingbleep3: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf as root12:41
ScorpKingprepend domain-name-servers,;12:42
intelikeyyeah i don't think /etc/resolv.conf is sticky in default *buntu systems...    i don't really know, i have never ran a defaulte *buntu more than five minutes.12:42
ScorpKingthat needs to go above request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers,12:42
intelikeycouldn't stand it any longer than that....12:43
bleep3ah ok12:43
ScorpKingthat will prevent /etc/resolv.conf to change to useless12:43
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ScorpKingtry sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart when you have the cable in.12:44
geniiNow you need ifdow/ifup the adapter12:44
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ScorpKingi see12:45
bleep3ifdown/ifup after betworking restart?12:45
Creationist225I just did a fresh install of Kubuntu Gutsy Beta, then ran the updates, then install my restricted nVidia video driver.  Now my resolution is really funky and I can't change it.  Anyone have any input for me?  (I've already asked in #ubuntu+1 but no one can help)12:45
ScorpKingCreationist225: is it to big?12:46
geniibleep3: Either is good. init.d restarts the whole thing. ifdown ethX ifup ethX just that adapter12:46
ScorpKinggenii: he will be bleep4 just now. :)12:46
intelikeyisn't there an  ifup_down  script  also    err may not be the name...   but a command that will just cycle the network.     i think i remember seeing that.12:46
Creationist225ScorpKing: Well, as it is right now, my screen only fills about 3/4 of my monitor and the image is distorted.  Doesn't matter which resolution I choose in System Settings, it doesn't change at all.12:47
geniiI guess you could HUP it12:47
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geniiBut thats just same as /etc/init.d/networking restart12:47
ScorpKingCreationist225: check the refress rate of the monitor. that might cause it.12:47
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Creationist225ScorpKing: That's the other issue I'm having... I'm unable to select a refresh rate other than 51Hz12:48
ScorpKingCreationist225: then you'll have to change it in xorg.conf. make a backup first tho.12:48
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intelikeyCreationist225 sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   <<< will let you reconfigure the X server12:48
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bombermy camera is being detected but nothing else happens12:49
bombercan someone help with this?12:49
intelikey!nv | Creationist225 if you need 3D suport12:49
Creationist225intelikey: I've tried that as well... no change.12:49
ubotuCreationist225 if you need 3D suport: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto12:49
ScorpKingwhere is the xorg.conf file in the home dir stored?12:49
ubotuInstructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras12:49
bombernot a webcam a digital camera12:49
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geniibomber: Ah, OK. You have DigiKam installed?12:50
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Bleepnopes same problem12:50
Creationist225No more ideas?12:50
ScorpKingBleep: slap it a few times12:50
geniibomber: Sounds like a driver issue then12:50
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geniiintelikey: Me too12:51
bomberi know it showed the pictures before12:51
ScorpKingme 312:51
bomberim not sure if it when i was using the newer kubuntu12:51
Bleepdoes it clear alot if i tell you my status  in xp say:12:52
bomberi downgraded to edgy12:52
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ScorpKingBleep: yes12:52
bomberbecause my networking wasnt working correctly in the newer one12:52
Bleepdevice type: vpn     servertype PPP      transports TCP/IP   authentication  PAP   Server IP  adress
bomberintelikey, thats how it was seen before12:53
bomberjust as a drive12:53
ScorpKingBleep: it should just work. maybe you should try that link you posted12:53
bomberand that was fine12:53
geniibomber: What make/model camera?12:53
bombersony dsc f70712:53
geniibomber: OK, googling12:54
Bleepok brb12:54
acomacois it possible to startup KDE with minimal programs running so i can use my RAM maximally?12:54
acomacoor shutdown programs that is not needed?12:54
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nrossinScorpKing, intelikey:  Well, I disabled my restricted video driver and restarted X.  My resolution is back to normal but I still can't change my refresh rate.12:56
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ScorpKingnrossin: you can change it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf12:56
geniiBah. google is not my friend today12:57
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nrossinOkay, I have to be honest, this is pissing me off.  Now whenever I try to change resolutions, all I get is that standard message saying it was "Trying the new settings..." and then asks if I want to keep them.  Problem is, it never actually changes the resolution.12:58
bomberi was looking too genii12:58
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bleep1i give up....          for now12:59
bleep1thnx for the help anyway12:59
sirjoshimusdoes anyone know where i could get a hamachi deb?01:00
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geniibomber: Right after you plug it in what does dmesg say?01:01
geniinrossin: I had this before, the settings would not take til after i logged out/back in again01:01
geniinrossin: This is with nvidia restricted driver01:02
bomberlemme see01:02
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ditmarthis chat are very interesting01:04
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bombergenii, there is quite a bit01:05
geniibomber: Well, all we need is about the last 4 lines from RIGHT after you plug in the device. Use pastebin website if very long01:06
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)01:06
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geniibomber: When you have a horribly long file you just need the end of, you can "tail" it eg:   dmesg | tail01:09
genii(in this case)01:09
geniiOK, reading01:10
geniibomber: so it looks like sdb1 corresponds to your camera. Does it have 128Mb stick in it?01:11
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quixogreevening all01:13
geniibomber: Please pastebin file   /etc/fstab01:13
geniiI will go for a smoke while that happens :) Back in a minute or so01:13
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bomberok    how do i view that?01:13
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)01:13
bomberjust less it?01:13
NickPrestabomber, in a Konsole, type: cat /etc/fstab and then copy it01:14
quixogrebomber, open it with kate01:14
bomberahhh cat... ok thaks01:14
quixogrestupid gnat on my screen. thought my mouse was freakin out or somethin01:15
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quixogreanyone here set up NVIDIA drivers on 7.04? having some problems01:16
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NickPrestaquixogre, I use the nVidia drivers01:16
bomberquixogre, is that the newest kubuntu?01:16
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NickPrestaquixogre, i use the 9631 drivers01:17
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npurcifulI got a question is there issues with ubuntu reading certain type of dvds and cds? my drive supports the disk but ubuntu wont reconise it01:18
quixogrenick. they crash xserver everytime i run with the nvidia drivers...http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39319/this is the log file. notice at the end, looks like the nvidia drivers mismatch what the systems expecting...anyone seen this problem before?01:18
geniibomber: Ok, We need in the fstab file to put an entry for the /dev/sdb1 device which corresponds now to the camera. Also a spot to mount it to. So i suggest to make a dir for it under /media   like: sudo mkdir /media/sony01:19
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geniibomber: Then we will need the UUID, so please report result of command: blkid|grep sdb201:19
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geniibomber: then I will give you a line to add to the /etc/fstab file01:20
NickPrestaquixogre, can you post your xorg.conf? And are you sure you have the drivers installed? Can you run `nvidia-settings`?01:20
quixogrenick. positive i've got em installed...not using them atm, just using nv drivers01:20
bomberno output01:21
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quixogreso my xorg.conf wouldnt give any hints01:21
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quixogrethe problem is, when i load the xorg.conf that is created for the nvidia drivers, x11 crashes01:21
geniibomber: It is plugged in and blkid|grep sdb2   reports no output?01:22
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quixogreso the only way to show you the "bad" xorg.conf is to crash xwindows01:22
bomberyes i got it with this01:22
ScorpKinggenii: looking for uuidgen /dev/* ?01:22
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jimHi I'm about to replace my Dual Boot windoze and FC6 with Dual Boot Kubuntu and Windoze. Should I just remove my 2 linux partitions (/boot and fc6)   with fdisk -d devicename (ie. hda1 and hda2)01:22
Mac40DOHi! Why did Kubuntu remove  "settings -> save view changes per folder" from Konqueror?01:22
quixogrei dont rhink its a problem with the xorg.conf. you'll notice the log file parses through all the xorg.conf stuff no worries01:23
geniiScorpKing: Perhaps :)01:23
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bomberi mounted it mount /dev/sdb1 sdb1 and i can see the files01:23
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geniibomber: The idea is we need the uuid so no matter what other devices you plug to the usb it will always know the sony is uuid<whatever uuid>01:25
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bomberok i didnt get an output with that command01:25
bombershould it be off or on?01:25
bomberthe camera01:26
bomberit was on01:26
geniibomber: OK, so the ScorpKing's suggestion instead,:   uuidgen /dev/sdb201:26
geniibomber needs to be on01:26
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Bleepuhm question... when i click "knetworkmanager" in menu it doesnt work?01:27
Bleepnothing happens01:28
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geniiScorpKing: Thanks :)01:28
genii!helpersnack | scorpking01:28
ubotuscorpking: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!01:28
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ScorpKinglol @ genii. ty01:29
bomberuuidgen /dev/sdc101:29
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ScorpKingBleep: is it not in the system tray?01:29
quixogrewb bleep. still trying to get linux working?01:29
bomberi shut it off and when i turned it back on it changed from sdb1 to sdc101:29
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Bleepwell is it the same?01:30
geniibomber: We want sdB1 that is what dmesg reported the sony at, not sdC101:30
nrossinOKay, so Gutsy doesn't support my printer... Feisty did.  What the crap?01:30
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bomberfor some reason so that the output of uuidgen /dev/sdc101:30
jimAny takers for this one:  I'm about to replace my Dual Boot windoze and FC6 with Dual Boot Kubuntu and Windoze. Should I just remove my 2 linux partitions (/boot and fc6)   with fdisk -d devicename (ie. hda1 and hda2)01:30
geniibomber: Lowercase b of course01:30
quixogreneither gutsy NOR feisty support either one of my printers...so be thankful01:30
bombergenii it changed to sdc101:31
bomberi shut it off and when i turned it back on it had a new number01:31
nrossinquixogre: At least you have consistency.  This happened with Feisty too... it didn't support the same hardware that Edgy did.01:31
ScorpKingBleep: i'm lost and out of ideas. :(01:31
geniibomber: this is one reason why we need the UUID01:31
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quixogrejim, boot from the kubuntu CD. use the gui application to reformat drives. MUCH simpler01:31
bomberthats the uuid for sure01:32
geniibomber: OK, we will try with that one :) a minute, i will compose a line to add to your /etc/fstab01:32
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bombersweet... thanks a lot01:32
jimquixogre:will it leave my windoze there?01:32
Bleeplol ive digged into the forums01:33
quixogrenrossin. im using two different types of dell prionters. dell has NO linux support. despite claims to the contrary01:33
ScorpKingBleep: what's interesting there?01:33
geniibomber: Open with admin privelege the file by:   kdesu kate /etc/fstab01:33
evan__any idea y my kubuntu pc does not show-up in network of win pc, but i can see win pc & send files to them. both machines show up on wireless router01:33
Bleepthey say that you can isntall a VPN plugin for knetworkmanager01:33
geniibomber: then add this:  UUID=25f33455-45f3-4eba-83e1-4d2753e35e96 /media/sony auto user,auto,rw 0 001:33
nrossinlol so I'm trying to be a good user and file bug reports ... but Good Lord!  EVERYTHING I'm trying to do has some serious bugs in it.01:33
geniibomber: then save it01:33
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quixogrejim, gparted...it let me resize my windoze partition, without reinstalling windoze01:34
Bleepi cant find the package though01:34
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geniibomber: If the directory /media/sony does not yet exist you can make it by:   sudo mkdir /media/sony01:34
nrossinquixogre: I'm using a very popular Epson Stylus... but nope, Kubuntu Gutsy doesn't have drivers for it.01:34
ScorpKing!samba | evan__:01:34
ubotuevan__:: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT01:34
ScorpKingBleep: have a link for me?01:34
quixogreevan__: NOW you need samba running01:35
nrossin...i wish I'd known that.  I would have stuck with Feisty for a couple months yet.01:35
evan__ubotu: samba on the win box!?01:35
ScorpKingevan__: no. linux so win can see it.01:35
quixogreevan__: no. run samba on the linux box. this way, the windows boxes will be able to see the linux drives01:35
evan__i am using konqeror to see my win box01:36
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quixogreevan__: linux is pretty good at getitng along with windows. its windows that doesnt like to play well with others01:36
evan__that makes sense, beacuse i can see them, but they cant see me01:36
quixogreevan__:  to solve the problem, run samba. that will let your windows boxes see your linux drives as if they were windows drives01:37
Bleepcheck under "VPN support"   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager01:37
jimquixogre: I don't want to resize my windoze partition though just leave as is. Are you saying the app. on the CD will get rid of my 2 linux partitions and leave windoze intact, then install kubuntu where FC6 used to be and install boot loader that will allow me to also load windoze when I need to.01:37
evan__ok guys thanks for the links and support, i will check them out01:38
quixogrejim, it will let you do whatever you want with whatever you want. and give you a nice GUI to do it in to boot01:38
ScorpKingBleep: i'm checking...01:38
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jimok , does that happen during install process or there is another app on the CD for that?01:39
bomberit didnt work01:39
geniibomber: After this, you should always be able to see the camera contents from Konqueror in "Storage Media" section01:39
quixogrejim, kubuntu uses grub, just like FC6. once you've got linux installed, just go to a linux command line, and type "grub-install hd0" that will install grub onto your primary HD01:39
ScorpKingBleep: if you try that the i don't think you'll need network-manager-gnome as knetworkmanager is installed01:40
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Bleepah ok01:40
Bleepits KDe:)01:40
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bombergenii,  it didnt work01:41
jimquixogre ok thanks here goes, hopefully I'll be back in an hour running Kubuntu : )01:42
bombernow its sdd101:42
quixogrejim good hunting ;)01:42
geniibomber: When you do: mount                             by itself, does it show sdc1 as being mounted someplace?01:42
quixogreanyone seen uga? need to bug him about soem nvidia driver stuff01:43
bombersdb1 is01:44
ScorpKingquixogre: nope.01:44
geniibomber: OK, likely from when you did mount command earlier. You maybe never umount the sdb101:44
quixogreany other NVIDIA gurus lurking about? trying to get my NVIDIA linux drivers to work, and having a problem http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39319/01:44
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waltercoolsomeone can make work teamspeak using wine or cedega?01:45
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biovoreuse aoss emulation.. wine and teamspeak will fight over /dev/dsp01:45
ScorpKinggood luck with all the fun. bedtime for me. nite guys! :D01:45
geniiwaltercool: Why, when gaim has a TeamSpeak plugin?01:45
waltercoolgenii: gaim, the chat?01:46
geniinow pidgin01:46
waltercoolkopete have something simmilar? xD01:46
geniikopete I dunno01:46
waltercooli need it for World of Warcraft voice xD01:46
bomberim getting 2 windows popping up now asking what to do with the media when i plug it in01:47
geniibomber: Weird but progress01:47
bomberyes indeed01:47
quixogregenii: sounds like its trying to mount it in two places...01:48
geniibomber: Does that camera have 2 storage onboard? Like a memory stick plus internal storage01:48
bomberwell it shows as having 2 folders... 1 for the pics and 1 for the movies01:49
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waltercoolalsa works bad in World of Warcraft01:49
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geniibomber: Hmmm. I'm not sure why the 2 prompts.01:49
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bomberbeats me.. neither one makes the camera work either01:50
bomber1 had to mount it manually again01:50
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geniibomber: so it is mounting where we told it, under /media/sony   ?  or autogenerated /media/sdX#       ?01:50
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bomberits not mounting unless i do it manually... i munted it under /media/sont01:51
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bombernow i umunted it and shut it off again01:52
zolixeny body see argus here ?01:53
geniibomber: Try another usb port, turn it on again. Tell if 1 or 2 windows asking what to do01:53
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NickPresta!away > quixogre_away01:54
zolixapt-get install arping01:54
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zolixwow not this window :)01:54
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NickPrestaCoffee keeps me up all night :)01:57
sampsoni tried installing the kde4 beta for gutsy yet it seems like a lot of files aren't...there anymore?01:57
geniiMe too01:57
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sampsonthere's no startkde in /usr/lib/kde4/bin and there's no kde4.desktop either01:58
sampsondid the steps change from what is on the site to install it?01:58
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bombergenii, 2 prompts01:58
ubotuIf new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging01:58
bomberwhen i click it says malformed url01:59
geniibomber: Hmm. Previously, was the /media/terrabyte     where it was being mounted?01:59
bombernope.. thats my external maxtor terrabyte drive01:59
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sampsoni followed these steps for kde4...do they not work anymore? http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php02:00
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Dragnslcrsampson- I'm pretty sure Beta 2 is available now02:01
sampsonit has the same steps...i followed them to a t yet neither feisty or gutsy installed all the files02:01
hcboxi'm installing sim city 4 with wine, and he dont want to read cd2 ( i use iso )02:02
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geniibomber: There was a malformed line in your fstab previously, for the floppy drive. It had only /dev and not /dev/fd0 as a device. But i do not see how it could be affecting the other. As well the parameters we gave should be fine. eg:  auto (for filesystem type) auto(for automount) user(for normal users to mount) rw (read-write)02:04
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geniibomber: could add "defaults" as an option02:05
geniibomber: eg: defaults,user,auto,rw 0 002:05
bomberlemme try it02:06
geniijust before where we had "user", with a comma02:06
intelikeygenii auto and user both,  if it's automounted then root did it.02:06
geniiintelikey: You think eliminate "user" or "auto02:07
genii"bah tired :)02:07
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bomberlol.. me too.. thanks for the help though02:07
geniibomber: Well, you could try that :) I am not on a box where i use my camera so guessing a bit on the options neccesary02:08
Minatakucpu0 at mainbus0: DVMA coherent : MB86907 @ 170 MHz, on-chip FPU02:08
Minatakucpu0: 16K instruction (32 b/l), 16K data (32 b/l), 512K external (32 b/l): cache enabled02:08
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MinatakuSorry X302:08
intelikeythat should allow anyone to mount it and dismount it.  also making it not automount at boot time thus root wont own it and prevent you from doing so02:09
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geniiintelikey: He would like if it auto-popped a window when he inserts it02:09
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geniiI think auto is neccesary for that02:10
intelikeyif you think so.02:10
geniiBut my brain is fuzzy after 12 hours of being here02:10
intelikeybut i don't think putting it in fstab will help that02:10
zblachhey all02:10
zblachis there a channel for the gutsy beta?02:10
bomber/dev/sda1 /media/terrabyte auto nouser,noauto,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 002:11
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bomberthat is my external drive and it works fine02:11
intelikeyauto and noauto conflict in the args  ^02:11
tealsonI put a fiwi uid into my fstab to mount the device into /media/fiwi but it is still automatically mountet to /media/disk, any ideas?02:11
intelikey"noauto,atime,auto" ^02:12
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bomberi can see the files and use them just fine and thats how kubuntu set it up02:12
geniibomber: Weird02:12
intelikeyi don't care who did it,   it's wrong.02:12
bomberlol.. i'd love to fix it :)02:12
geniiI need to get going home soon, been at work 3 hours past normal leaving-time. Intelikey you good to help bomber?02:13
intelikeyone of those has to be ignored for the other to affect, and that's dumb by any standard.  you don't specify both    auto and no auto     nor  suid and no usid    nor   exec and no exec      it's just foolish to say both   do and dont in one breath02:14
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geniiintelikey: I wonder if it's first wins or last wins, as far as those conflicting options go02:14
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intelikeygenii i don't know if i'm good to help anyone.  but i'll be here for a bit.02:15
bomberit is rather foolish02:15
intelikeygenii not sure but i can do a little testing to see.02:15
geniibomber: Well, even if no more progress past this at least you can manually mount and get your pics off that way02:16
bomberi'll mess with it tomorrow a  little more02:16
geniibomber: I really really need to leave :)02:16
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bombera least i can manually mount it and get my pictures on here02:16
intelikeygooday genii02:16
bomberi need them for selling stuff02:16
bomberthanks a lot genii02:16
geniiOK, goodnight all02:16
bomberi appreciate your time and yours too intelikey02:16
geniiyou too intelikey :) LOL bomber: you're welcome02:16
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intelikeytest confirms that auto is ignored if noauto is in the string.   reguardless of order.02:19
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intelikeyfor mount: version 2.12r   at least.02:21
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intelikeybeing GNU it's subject to change with distro / version / build options / whim / act of G-d / or just bad luck.02:23
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AzzcoHi I want to upgrade to the gutsy beta but my adept doesn't have the new repository functions..02:26
ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+102:26
AzzcoWhat version of adept do I need to have to get the repository managing with tabs?02:26
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AzzcoOkay well this is a matter of getting adept properly set up... I only get a list when I go into the menu to manage my repositorys02:27
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intelikeysed 's/feisty/gutsy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list > /etc/apt/sources.list-gutsy02:30
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intelikeyor warty/gutsy   or what ever you run to what ever you want.02:37
AzzcoThanks, I srill want to have the tabs in adept though..02:37
intelikeythen someone that uses a gui will have to help you.02:37
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intelikeyi think i looked at adept one time.02:37
intelikeyand it seems silly to me,  to be trying to fix an app that you intend to use to replace the same....02:37
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lavacano201014im trying to run a program installed on my Kubuntu box through Mocha X on my Windows box. Is it even possible?02:43
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slussierer....I hope Kubuntu final will have those huge bug fixed: top shows Xorg eating 40-50% cpu - I even do not move the mice!!!02:44
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slussierAnd the KMenu propagation is messed up ...02:44
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vmlinuz`I don't want my alt-tab to change desktops, i want it to change programs, how02:47
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NickPrestavmlinuz`, I don't know how you got Alt+Tab to change desktops. It shouldn't do that by default02:48
JucatoSystem Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts02:48
vmlinuz`NickPresta: it does that by default to me, i swear02:49
NickPrestavmlinuz`, I believe you. Let me figure out where you can change that behavior...02:49
NickPrestanevermind, listen to Jucato02:49
vmlinuz`ok thanks02:51
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vmlinuz`does kde have problems running games via wine...02:53
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TiMiDovmlinuz`, not really are you getting any errors?02:54
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lavacano201014how do i enable telnet connections?02:57
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vmlinuz`TiMiDo: not an error, but i used to run these windowmode games in gnome, i alt-tab so smoothly, but in kde, when i alt-tab, it freezes for few seconds plus sound also keep choking or repeating.. u know what i mean? Only for few seconds tho02:58
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vmlinuz`TiMiDo: are you still there?03:06
lavacano201014how do i enable telnet connections?03:07
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mneptoklavacano201014: why would you want to?03:11
mneptoklavacano201014: it's an extremely bad idea. use ssh.03:11
lavacano201014so i can use this thingy i have that uses telnet to run X programs03:11
lavacano201014it needs telnet to connect to remote computers03:11
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lavacano201014there is no setting for ssh on this program03:12
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vmlinuz`why I don't have vulome in my desktop panel03:13
vmlinuz`My default kde is odd.03:14
Jucatovmlinuz`: run kmix03:14
vmlinuz`Jucato: do i run it each time i start kde?03:14
MinatakuMmmm... Lunchbox SPARC machine :303:14
Jucatovmlinuz`: it should be saved and restarted when you logout and log in03:14
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MinatakuSay... is Ubuntu just for i386?03:14
MinatakuI don't think I've ever checked03:14
vmlinuz`Jucato: do i run it using start > run03:14
vmlinuz`or console?03:14
Jucatovmlinuz`: or K Menu -> Multimedia -> KMix03:15
vmlinuz`ok Jucato03:15
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JucatoMinataku: you do mean x86 right? coz 386 is a tad too old :)03:15
vmlinuz`Jucato: the first time i ran KDE, it pops an configuration gui. then i set my kde to look as Mac OS i think, how do i re-configure this whole gui?03:15
MinatakuJucato: You know what I mean :P03:16
Jucatoyou can run that app again. Alt+F2, "kpersonalizer"03:16
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Jucatovmlinuz`: and yes, your default KDE isn't the default Kubuntu setup03:16
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JucatoI'm guessing it's not a normal installation. you might have just apt-get install kde03:16
MinatakuTechnically, though, x86 refers to the 16bit architecture where it all started ;303:16
Jucatoreally? doesn't x86 refer to 386, 486, 586, 686 and clones?03:17
Jucatoanyway, *buntu is x86, x86_64, and unofficial PPC03:17
MinatakuWell, it (x86) started with the 8086/806603:17
lavacano201014never mind about telnet i got my ssh client to use my x server03:18
MinatakuTypically, i386 is used as a catch-all for x3203:18
Jucatoyeah but those aren't called x86. they're directly called 8088 etc03:18
MinatakuRemember the 80186/80188 and 80286 are x86 as well03:19
vmlinuz`Jucato: yes that what i did.. is that bad?03:19
Jucatonot bad. but might not be what you wanted. it depends03:19
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Jucatoalthough it does install dozens and dozens of apps you might not have wanted/needed to install in the first place03:20
vmlinuz`Jucato: ok, how to re-open this configuration.03:20
Jucatore-open what?03:20
vmlinuz`Jucato: I remember it shows me the command "To re-do this configuration type blah" but i forget it03:20
vmlinuz`that was the first time i ever ran kde03:21
JucatoI already told you how03:21
Jucato[09:16]  <Jucato> you can run that app again. Alt+F2, "kpersonalizer"03:21
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vmlinuz`where can i find monitor resulotion03:30
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JucatoKControl -> Peripherals -> Display03:31
Jucatoif it isn't there, you have to install the package "kde-guidance"03:31
Jucatobtw, by installing "kde"  only, you don't get any of the kubuntu default settings/configuration/set of apps that are installed by default03:32
Jucato(although you do get some of the common ones)03:32
mneptok8086/8088 are not x86 or i38603:32
vmlinuz`do you recommend removing kde and installing kubuntu the better way?03:32
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mneptokx86/i386 implies a full 32-bit path. nothing prior to the 80386sx offered this03:33
Jucatoremoving kde wont' do anything now, since it will remove only that package, and not anything else you installed. you could install the package kubuntu-desktop to get the Kubuntu defaults03:34
SETKEH-NRNSk ubuntu looks heaps better than Ubuntu03:34
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vmlinuz`ok im installing kubuntu-desktop, does it overwrite anything..?03:48
SETKEH-NRNSthats if you mean stuff on that distro if its installed to your hard drive03:49
SETKEH-NRNSif it not on you hard drive and you dont know how partitions work it will wipe you hard drive clean03:49
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vmlinuz`which is better gdm or kdm as a display manager?04:06
mneptokvmlinuz`: that's subjective.04:07
vmlinuz`i havent tried both so tell me ur opinion ;o04:07
mneptokwell, i'm a GNOME Foundation member and sysadmin.04:08
mneptokwant my "unbiased" opinion?04:08
mneptokuse what you prefer.04:08
biovorergr.. both have there ups and downs..04:08
biovoreboth are better then windows.. imo.04:09
mneptok"than" ;)04:09
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Daisuke_Idoa grammar nazi after my own heart :D04:10
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Daisuke_Idovmlinuz`: gdm vs. kdm is simple04:11
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Daisuke_Idowhich desktop environment do you use more?04:11
mneptokthen there it is04:11
Daisuke_Idothen kdm might be a good idea04:11
vmlinuz`brb reboot x04:11
Daisuke_Idoafaik, unless things have changed, you can only log out from a DE that isn't...  i dunno what i'm trying to say.  you can only log out of kde using gdm (no reboot)04:12
Daisuke_Idoand vice versa04:12
Tm_TDaisuke_Ido: krhm04:13
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Daisuke_Idothat's how i understood it, anyway04:15
Daisuke_Idoi could be wrong (and judging by Tm_T's response, i am)04:15
Tm_TDaisuke_Ido: no, you were right, but you did hilight me earlier04:16
Tm_Tby using word "nazi" too lightly04:16
Daisuke_Idomy apologies04:17
vmlinuz`KControl -> Peripherals -> Display .... But i can't find Peripherals in Kcontrol. what does that means.04:18
Daisuke_Idoi'll amend that to something like...  psycho grammar corrector :)04:18
Jucatovmlinuz`: this is after you installed kubuntu-desktop?04:19
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Jucatobut there should be peripherals there... are you sure you're using KControl and not System Settings?04:19
SETKEH-NRNSwhats irc official sever adress???04:19
Daisuke_Idoyou're here04:19
vmlinuz`Jucato: yep04:19
JucatoSETKEH-NRNS: which server? freenode? irc.freenode.net04:19
Jucatovmlinuz`: then try System Settings -> Monitor & Display04:20
SETKEH-NRNSJucato any server that can help me put up and irc server (if its possible)04:20
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vmlinuz`Jucato: that works, thanks.04:21
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JucatoSETKEH-NRNS: um.. sorry, don't know much about setting up your own irc04:22
bennykravitzhallo kann mir hier jemand helfen?04:22
ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de04:22
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Jucato(just a guess...)04:22
bennykravitzthanks ;)04:22
NightBirdyeah, that looks german to me04:23
SETKEH-NRNSit is04:23
vmlinuz`Jucato: whats kde default media player?04:24
SETKEH-NRNShallo = hello04:24
Jucatovmlinuz`: default KDE would be noatun... but the one that comes with Kubuntu is Kaffeine04:24
Jucatoum. noatun (videos+anything) and juk (audio)04:25
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vmlinuz`Jucato: because I dunno whats wrong. the player isn't work for some reason.04:26
ubotuDoesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.04:27
vmlinuz`its noatun04:27
vmlinuz`whenever I play "It stopped"04:27
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Jucatolike I said, the default that comes w/ Kubuntu is Kaffeine04:27
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Linus____SETKEH-NRNS, you might find some of what you're looking for here?  < http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg >04:32
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npurcifulI got a question, i once had 3 hdd in my computer (just have 2 now) hda hdb hdd well hdd use to be hda and was my root w/boot and now hda is a new 320g hdd. so i install kubuntu on the new hda install grub to hda but grub also added hdd1 to menu list under 'other'. i no long have hdd hooked up and grub still has it list. So i did grub-install -recheck /dev/hda, grub install then run update-grub to update menu.lst but it is04:34
npurcifulstill there04:34
npurcifulsorry long post04:35
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npurcifulhdd1 is listed but doesnt exist04:36
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npurcifulsomewhere grub thinks it is there04:36
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joseph_anyone gotten wow to work on linux. without paying?04:37
npurcifulyou mean with wine04:37
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fignewnpurciful: have you tried grub-install -recheck /dev/hdd04:38
fignewit might see that it no longer exists04:38
npurcifulyes i have04:38
npurcifuli check the device.map it isnt there04:38
GUMMMu got wow to work?04:39
ubotuInformation about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php04:39
Jucatoand for wine info, #winehq04:39
fignewnpurciful: you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst04:39
fignewbut that's prob. not the "correct" debian way of doing it04:40
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npurcifulyeah, i know i could do that i was just trying to figure out why it is doing that04:40
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npurcifuli though maybe boot to cd and reinstall grub from there04:41
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npurcifulI am new to linux 7months and i fix thing by breaking my system all the time04:42
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npurcifulyou know that saying if it isnt broke dont fix it? my is "If it is fixed, break it"04:42
fignewdoes sudo "dpkg-reconfigure grub" fix it?04:43
fignewdoes "sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub" fix it?04:43
fignewbetter :)04:43
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto04:44
Jucatomight find some useful commands there04:44
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npurcifulnope, still the same,04:45
npurcifulI dont get it though the device.map doesnt show hdd04:46
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fignewjust remove the entry in menu.lst04:48
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Sassukekann was passieren wenn ich installation einfach abbreche ?04:49
Sassukeweil es geht einfach nicht mehr weiter :-/04:49
Jucato!de | Sassuke04:50
ubotuSassuke: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de04:50
Jucato(isn't that from Naruto? O.o)04:50
Sassukedamn schon wieder falscher channel sorry sorry sorry ^^04:50
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jhutchinsSassuke: Sorry, but I can't quite parse that.04:51
Jucatoinvalid syntax04:51
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nrossinIs Dolphin capable of showing previews of video files as well?05:00
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Jucatonrossin: same ways as konqueror05:01
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nrossinJucato: I haven't used KDE in a long time.  Just installed the Gutsy beta today.05:03
nrossinJucato: I just know that with Nautilus, they showed up automatically.... in Dolphin, they don't.05:03
Jucatoyou need to have libarts1-xine installed05:03
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nrossinJucato: Wow... that worked ... and a LOT faster than gnome ever did lol05:04
nrossinJucato: Thank you.05:04
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nrossinJucato: Another, non-essential but related question.  Can I make the preview under the "Information" sidebar larger?05:05
kkathmangreetings Jucato :)05:06
Jucatogreetings kkathman! Long Live and Prosper!05:06
Jucatonrossin: i think the size is fixed05:07
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kkathmanJucato have you upgraded t gutsy via apt-get dist-upgrade yet??05:07
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kkathmanor has anyone?05:07
kkathmanIve heard mostly of disasters so far05:08
mneptokkkathman: i did05:08
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mneptokkkathman: i had no problems. YMMV.05:08
kkathmanThere is a point where that seems to work ok. and other points where it doesn :)05:08
Jucatokkathman: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --install-recommends05:08
kkathmanmneptok:  thanks - did you have compiz-fusion going?05:09
JucatoI tried the upgrade tool first. crashed, then continued with a mix of adept and apt-get05:09
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mneptokkkathman: nope.05:09
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Jucato!away > capuccinio05:09
kkathmanJucato would you reccomend to wait at this point then?05:09
Jucatosince it's still beta. yes I would.05:09
mneptokkkathman: i would wait the ~2 weeks for release, yeah05:09
Jucatounless you absolutely need/want to05:09
kkathmanok thanks05:09
kkathmanI dont need to05:09
mneptokkkathman: i had no problems, but i'm also not the average user05:10
kkathmanIm dual booting openSUSE and kubuntu so Im ok atm - openSUSE is going to 10.3 about the same time05:10
kkathmanmneptok:  well Im not either - been on ubuntu since warty05:10
mneptokkkathman: the release is so close, there's no point in the risk, however small05:10
kkathmanright - and Im production05:10
kkathmanso I'll wait05:11
Jucatoopensuse 10.3 is on thursday, mandriva 2008 on friday (I think), and gutsy on the 18th05:11
Jucatopc-bsd 1.4 last week05:11
kkathmanyeah something like that05:11
mneptokkkathman: i work for Canonical and have the home phone number of every member of the distro team05:11
Jucatoone hell of a quarter for KDE :)05:11
Jucato(yeah.. not fair :P)05:11
kkathmanmneptok:  good to know - would love to chat sometime05:11
mneptokkkathman: that kinda safety net helps a lot when panicking ;)05:11
kkathmanmneptok:  Im a bigger fan of buntu now since running openSUSE for a year05:12
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mneptokit's not that i'm some sorta Linux guru. just that i have a hotline to them ;)05:12
kkathmanIm a web developer - and replaced Windows 100% for about 2 years now05:12
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mneptokn1badboy: please stop the public away notices05:12
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mneptoktoo late05:13
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kkathmanI loved some aspects of openSUSE however and would love to share  info05:13
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kkathmanbyt bottom line the community there was very antogonistic and mean05:13
Jucatomneptok: not really. I already sent him a warning message earlier05:13
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kkathmanbut the product is top shellf05:13
mneptokJucato: yeah, i'm just too nice ;)05:13
Jucatomneptok: I am too. but enough is too much :)05:13
khaije1is there a recommended method for encrypting my /home filesystem?05:14
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mneptok /m Jucato I AM AWAY! YOUR MESSAGE WAS LOGGED! HUGZ FROM BRASIL!!!1!!1!105:14
Admiral_Chicagothats a dirty lie Jucato. Everyone knows how much of a troll you are :)05:14
JucatoAdmiral_Chicago: hush speedy :)05:14
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yurimxpxmanwhat does alt+print scrn+l do?05:15
Jucatofinally!!! I got to say that to you lol :)05:15
mneptokkhaije1: encrypted filesystems are now a valid target in debian-installer. you can use the Gutsy installer.05:15
Admiral_ChicagoI still need to respond to that but I've been too busy05:15
mneptokkhaije1: it was disabled in the beta, but packages committed today re-enable the functionality. either wait for release or grab tomorrow's daily.05:15
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khaije1mneptok: thats cool, do you know which technologies they use for that?05:16
Jucato!away > SETKEH-NRNS[A] 05:16
mneptokkhaije1: dm-crypt + cryptsetup05:16
Jucatoyurimxpxman: don't know abut the +l but Alt+PrntScrn takes a screenshot of the current window and puts it directly into the clipboard05:16
Jucatono ksnapshot involved05:16
yurimxpxmanJucato: try alt+prntscrn+l and tell me what it does05:17
khaije1mneptok: ok so what i'm wondering is... if i go ahead and set this up manually will it be okay w/ upgrades, and are there any mgmt tools for this sort of thing05:17
JucatoAdmiral_Chicago: guess you've been pretty busy. you should eat some more btw.. getting really thin there :)05:17
Daisuke-Laptopif he's away, he probably won't get that message :)05:17
mneptokkhaije1: cryptsetup and/or LUKS05:17
JucatoDaisuke-Laptop: it's sent in a PM, he'll get it later05:18
khaije1mneptok: thank ya!05:18
Jucatoyurimxpxman: um. does it hang the system or what? I can't afford to test that right now05:19
Admiral_ChicagoJucato: I've always been thin actually. Well I'm off to do hw05:19
JucatoAdmiral_Chicago: hehe ok. have fun :)05:19
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yurimxpxmanJucato: idk. I was just reading about it, and it's supposed to ask you which desktop to screenshot or something, but I can't get it to work05:20
Jucatoyurimxpxman: where have you read it?05:20
yurimxpxmanJucato: it was actually someone in ##linux that told me about it05:21
Jucatonever heard of such a feature though... sorry05:21
Jucatomight want to ask in #kde05:22
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npurcifulwell trying update-grub from rescue system didnt change anything, some bugger05:36
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tzangergood evening05:37
tzangerwhat is the package name I need to install to be able to listen to shoutcast streams with amarok?05:37
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tzangerI though it was installed by default but it does not appear to be the case05:38
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ftzIt there an easy way to upgrade KDE from 3.5.6 to a new version?05:42
holymoothat is the new version05:42
ftzDoesn't 7.10 have a newer one?05:43
holymoowell when you upgrade to 7.10 you will find out, no?05:43
ftzlol.. true.  I just hate to do that when mine is running so well...05:43
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holymooi can check which packages will show me what version it is?05:44
holymooi'm not sure your question makes sense tho05:45
holymooon ubuntu your de gets upgraded along with new releases05:45
holymooif you want to do some sort of backport you can compile and package the kde suite your self05:45
holymoootherwise why even ask?05:45
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JucatoKDE 3.5.7 is the latest KDE version05:47
Jucatoftz:  what version of Kubuntu are you using?05:48
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ivanbilihow would I search for a file in kubuntu?05:49
Jucatoif you're using feisty, you can upgrade to KDE 3.5.7: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php05:49
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ivanbili( from the gui )05:49
Jucatoivanbili: K Menu -> Find Files05:49
Jucatoor Alt+F2, "kfind"05:49
ivanbilialso, where do I see all my "paths" so that I know where the file that is being executed is05:50
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ivanbiliwhen I type "wish"05:50
Jucatonot wish05:50
ivanbiliwhere is the executable?05:50
Jucatowhich <executable> will tell you05:50
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ivanbiliin that case I need which wish05:51
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ivanbilinow, where is that file where I can add shell paths?05:52
ivanbiliI've done it before05:52
ivanbilibash something05:52
ftzjucato: THX Exacly what i was looking for05:52
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about path - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi05:53
Jucatoivanbili: ~/.bashrc perhaps05:53
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ivanbiliyes, thanks05:53
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newsense07how can i get to a site in firefox with a mms:// address ?05:58
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CreationistI'm running Kubunty Gutsy.  If I had problems with nvidia-glx-new (the automatically installed driver), would it be worth trying nvidia-glx?06:12
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shaffycan anyone please tell me how to format a removable NTFS drive in kubuntu to FAT32?06:13
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Creationistshaffy: The easiest way I know to do it is to use QtParted (best to do so from a LiveCD)06:14
intelikeyif  a new driver is giving trubble,  it's always worth trying an older one.   or a newer one,  or simply a different one...06:14
illusinaCan someone help me out? I can't get firefox to use my external usb mixer, but other programs work fine with it..06:14
intelikeyshaffy  sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/<devicenode>06:14
Lynoureshaffy: the command is mkfs.vfat,  see man mkfs.vfat before proceeding06:14
Lynoureshaffy: or just do what intelikey said :)06:15
shaffythanks intelikey and Lynoure.   much appreciated  :D06:15
Lynoureshaffy: but note that that will distroy your data.06:15
shaffyas long as it destroys the data on the drive i'm formatting, i'm okay with it06:16
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Lynoureyes, only on that one :)06:16
intelikeyummm on what ever device you input as the devicenode.  i.e. if you tell it to format  hda1  then hda1 gets it.   if you tell it hda  then the whole disk gets it.06:17
fulat2k_hi folks, is there any way i can find out why firefox and swiftfox is crashing after ~20-30 mins of use?06:17
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intelikeyfulat2k_ is it gutsy ?06:18
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fulat2k_intelikey: nopes.  feisty06:18
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intelikeyfulat2k_ did you check the forums ?    i've seen several mention that.06:19
fulat2k_intelikey: i've even cleared out my .mozilla directory to start fresh.06:19
fulat2k_intelikey: hmm... nopes.  lemme see what i can find.  thx06:19
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Creationistintelikey: Okay, I installed the nvidia-glx package, restarted X and then ran glxinfo.. but I got a lot of errors from that about "Extension GLX missing on display"06:19
CreationistDid I miss something?06:19
intelikeyprobably just that the driver and your hardware don't jive06:20
intelikeybut as you say,  was worth a try.06:21
CreationistIt worked with Feisty... so I'm confused.06:21
intelikeyCreationist i have no insite on gutsy.    check in #ubuntu+1  maybe someone knows06:21
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intelikeycould be a partial package.   i have no clue really06:22
Adrianaanyone here know a way for me to make secondlife more stable on kubuntu06:22
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intelikeyAdriana if nothing proceeds from this channel ask in #ubuntu    just drop the k in your question so they don't just say  "go ask in #kubuntu"  ;)06:25
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chalcedonydoes anyone use K3b ?06:33
intelikeyi have used it.06:33
vmlinuz`chalcedony: I used it before06:33
vmlinuz`after an X restart, my KSim is gone.06:34
intelikeywas it uninstalled ?06:34
vmlinuz`ah sry not KSim06:35
intelikeyerrr removed i mean.06:35
vmlinuz`do you know in KDE desktop there is the panel that is down. and one panel in the top right? The top panel is gone for some reason.06:35
chalcedonyvmlinuz`: ill have to get it back open (my kitten slept on the power supply) but i was having trouble getting it to see the files i wanted to copy06:35
chalcedonynobody seemed to understand how it works to help me06:35
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intelikeyvmlinuz` you can add panels if you like.    i don't know why one would vanish unless you removed something from ~/.kde/*06:37
Daisuke_Idoi don't know why he had a panel in the upper right by default anyway06:37
vmlinuz`intelikey: I haven't removed anything, it just vanished after I Jumped to gnome, then back to KDE.06:37
vmlinuz`I had alot of odd things by defualt.06:37
vmlinuz`Daisuke_Ido: it wasnt upper right, it was a panel in the top of the screen06:38
vmlinuz`Daisuke_Ido: can you show me a SS of yours?06:38
intelikeywell gnome has by default two panels,   i never saw a kde that had two by default.  but i haven't seen the ubuntu default for anything past 6.606:38
vmlinuz`intelikey: oh, so my kde is bugged before, that why i had two panels?06:38
ivanbilibuffer I/O error on device sr006:39
ivanbilithis is what I get when I try to boot from LiveCD06:39
vmlinuz`my .xsession has these two lines, is that the reason?06:39
vmlinuz`sleep 4s &&06:39
vmlinuz`gnome-panel &06:39
intelikeyivanbili then you probably don't have an scsi controler06:39
vmlinuz`Daisuke_Ido: are you using KDE atm?06:39
Daisuke_Idono, gnome06:40
intelikeyvmlinuz` you are running gnome panel and kicker06:40
vmlinuz`intelikey: kicker? Whats that please06:40
ivanbiliit worked before06:40
Daisuke_Idokicker is kde's panel06:40
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ivanbilii mean, nothing changed in hardware06:40
vmlinuz`Daisuke_Ido: the one that is down?06:40
jcs7778I am having a problem with my terminal the ./command wont work, Ive made sure that the files i am trying to execute are permitted to execute, and ive made sure that my user is allowed to execute them ive also tried executing as sudo nothing works. It allways returns with permission denied06:40
intelikeyivanbili where did you retreve that error from ?\06:40
Daisuke_Idoit's just kde's panel06:41
Daisuke_Idoprobably the one on the bottom yes06:41
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Daisuke_Idothe one on the top, did it say...  Applications Places System06:41
vmlinuz`Daisuke_Ido: yep06:41
vmlinuz`i think06:41
ivanbiliok I checked the liveCD for errors and it has some06:41
vmlinuz`not sure tho, because I forgot. its not here anymore06:41
ivanbilimaybe that's it06:41
intelikeyin normal kde vmlinuz`  kicker is "the" panel   in custom kde it's  all panels   in hybird kde/gnome  it might be any panel06:42
vmlinuz`ok my kde is weird06:42
vmlinuz`alot of things running from different WM's. solution? >_<06:43
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intelikeyivanbili could be    maybe.    the device is the scsi raw access controler     so go from there.06:43
vmlinuz`then i have a tiny kicker :P06:43
jim__anyone know why if I make a selection in the Adept Installer my CPU jumps to 100%, using Feisty..06:43
vmlinuz`can some kde user show me his SS? anyone06:44
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contrast83jim__: not sure, but are you just using Adept because it comes by default, or do you actually prefer it over the GNOME pkg. mgt. apps?06:44
intelikeyyou should specify "default" on that vmlinuz`06:45
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Suicide_Guy2gook so grub updated itself and cleared my windows information from menu.lst and im not sure how to get it back06:45
vmlinuz`mighty please06:45
intelikeycontrast83 are you assuming he has gnome ?    or have you talked eariler ?06:45
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contrast83intelikey: neither, why?06:46
jim__contrast83: just using it cuz I just loaded Feisty now after removing FC606:46
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intelikeycontrast83 cause gnome pkg. mgt.   is not avalable to him  unless he has added it,   and added it how ?   in adept maybe....06:46
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jim__don't think I have Gnome yet?06:47
contrast83intelikey: umm... re-read my original question. :-)06:47
intelikeyjim__ yeah that's what i was trying to explain to contrast83.     but as to your Q   how long does the spike last ?06:48
contrast83jim__: no, you don't. i was just suggesting you use the GNOME suite of pkg. mgt. programs instead of Adept, as most users that have used both find the GNOME ones better (from my experience at least)06:48
intelikeyjim__ spiking cpu on package management is normal.   but it shouldn't last long.06:48
contrast83ermm... you don't need GNOME to use Synaptic, etc. $ sudo apt-get autoremove --purge adept adept-batch adept-common adept-installer adept-manager adept-notifier adept-updater && sudo apt-get install synaptic gnome-app-install06:49
jim__ya but every time I click a box beside the package name?? It lasts about 10 secs.06:49
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Daisuke_Idoaptitude for the win06:50
intelikeyjim__ that does seem a little long.   2 maybe.  but 10...   hmmm06:50
jim__ya, it's painful because I'm locked up every time I click the box.06:50
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intelikeysounds like a bug.06:51
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots06:51
jim__ok thanks I'll file something and try to use something else for now.06:52
intelikeypossable that a repo in the sources.list is not accessable.  that "might" cause that,  but it should not.06:52
intelikeyjim__ apt-get works.06:52
jim__I would expect that the program only goes to the Repo after I've selected all the packages I want to download, not every time I select a program?06:53
jim__intellikey: Thanks, what I thought was nice about adept is it showed we what was available . Stuff I never knew about : )06:54
intelikeychecking deps "can" intail checking that a resource is avalable,   i.e. if you have a cdrom source it may check the "empty" drive06:55
intelikeyone test for that would be drop a disk in the tray and see if that changes anything06:55
jim__intellikey: good point, maybe I'll try with the install CD in the machine06:56
intelikeyjim__ yes.  all the gui apps for dpkg do that.   "even aptitude, if you can call ncurses a gui"06:56
eljefei installed linuxmce a while back on my kubuntu7.04, but it took my KDE window manager away.  does anyone know how to get that back?  i don't really like this metacity or compiz or whatever it is...06:57
intelikeywell actually one could even do   apt-cache search '.*' | less      and even apt will show what is avalable...  heh but it would take a month to read it all06:57
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intelikeyeljefe at the graphic login  choose the session  ???06:58
eljefenope just kde and fluxbox there06:58
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ArkardHi to all here06:59
eljefeand i cannot find anything in the kcontrol (system settings)06:59
Arkardeljefe: do you speak spanish?07:00
intelikeyk  then i'll have to say, off hand i don't know.  but you can probably find it by looking at the process table while the gui is running and then grep'ing for the actual process that is your desktop07:00
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eljefeyes but not natively07:00
intelikeyi.e.   if  metacity     grep -hiRe metacity ./ /etc/07:02
jim__intellikey: after putting CD in the 100% cpu is down to 2 secs. from 10 so a huge improvement. Thanks You. Surprised I didn't get a warning of some kind. Maybe if I start in a terminal window..07:02
intelikeyjim__ yes terminal kickoff for any trubble shooting  then you get to view errors in real time07:03
intelikeyand yes 2sec or less is normal.07:03
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intelikeywhether you realize it or not there is a lot to parse to make sure all the dependancies are met.07:04
chotchkihey guys, i just updated my gusty install for amd64... and kdeinit and kdm are all kinds of broken07:04
chotchkianyone else seeing this issue?07:04
chotchkii get some kind of core bus error07:04
ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+107:04
chotchkiintelikey: gotcha07:05
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Arkardpeople, im having problems with a server FTP07:07
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Arkardi dont want to copy all my music directori in /home/ftp07:07
jim__intellikey: I wonder why the program wouldn't check dependencies etc. after I've gone through and selected the  programs I want. Then I can just walk away and let it install instead of having to experience that delay every click?07:07
Arkardis there any way to vinculate it?07:07
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intelikeyjim__ because if you add anything and it will require other things it wants to let you know     does it not ask about the deps as you go ?07:08
intelikeyor if you click to remove blah and kde-core depends on blah   then wouldn't you want to know that removing blah will wipe out your kde ?07:09
jim__intellikey: No doen't say a peep  just keeps me waiting till I see an x in each box beside the program name after I click it07:10
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intelikeyheh  or  mdk-package for that matter....    lol07:11
intelikeydrake-package-manager  i mean.07:11
jim__intelikey: ya , think I'll try that from now on. Thanks for all your help.07:11
intelikeywhich isn't in ubuntu at all.07:11
intelikeyjim__ at any rate.   use what works for you.07:12
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jim__intelikey: ya good advice. Thanks again : )07:13
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ubotudpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.07:15
ubotuadept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto07:15
ubotusynaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto07:15
ubotuaptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide07:16
intelikeyQ.   what do linux users do ?07:16
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intelikeyA.   they install software.07:16
reldruhI just installed Ubuntu server edition on my laptop and now I need to configure the network. I didn't do this step during the install because I didn't have a connection available. Is there a way to rerun that step of the install now?07:17
Daisuke_Idothere will peobably be a few hurdles in your way, but it should be possible07:18
Daisuke_Idoi don't know how, though :D07:18
intelikeyubiquity  is the installer.   as to that step.   probably.   i personally quite dislike ubiquity.07:19
reldruhthanks for the word of encouragement :-)07:19
reldruhI don't necessarily need that exact step, just some way to do autoconfiguration of the network now that I have a connection available07:19
reldruhI use ifconfig to put my interface up and it goes up, but it doesn't connect to anythin07:19
=== intelikey wonders to whom the gratatude was shown....
reldruhI think it's not using dhcp from my router like it should07:19
reldruhintelikey: the gratitude was for Daisuke_Ido who said it was probably possible but he didn't know how :-)07:20
intelikeyoh   would have made good sarcasm if aimed at me... :)07:20
reldruhI'd rather be sarcastic  after my problem is solved. No telling how somebody might take it :-)07:21
intelikeywish i could help you with that.  but i'm still network illiterate.07:22
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Jucatoubiquity wouldn't be on the ubuntu server installer would it?07:23
intelikeyif you wanted to just setup a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces   i might be able to go that far,   but07:23
intelikeyJucato ummm is that server install ?07:23
intelikeyoh it is.....07:23
Jucatoit's the separate Ubuntu Server Edition07:23
Jucatono GUI07:24
intelikeyso what was the textmode installer called ?07:24
Jucatothere seems to be an #ubuntu-server channel but the question is too general for that channel07:24
reldruhusing ifconfig I can get this laptop to see the local network07:24
reldruhbut nothing outside of it07:24
Jucatointelikey: Alternate Install CD07:24
reldruhah well. Thanks anyway07:25
intelikeyJucato no the installer.07:25
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intelikeyJucato ie   if not ubiquity then ???07:25
Jucatothere's no special name for it07:25
intelikeytwin typing time you know.07:25
HobbseeJucato: debian-installer is07:25
Hobbseeah, you got it07:26
Jucatohi Hobbsee! :)07:26
intelikeyyes then.   i like the "debian-installer"  much better than "ubiquity"   and it is possable to run only that one step.   @ reldruh07:27
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reldruhwhat I just tried is adding an entry in /etc/networking/interfaces 'inet eth0 iface dhcp'07:28
reldruhI restarted networking and now an IP address gets found automatically, but I still can't connect to anything outside of my local network07:28
intelikey!info libdebian-installer-extra407:28
ubotulibdebian-installer-extra4: Library of some extra debian-installer functions. In component main, is optional. Version 0.47ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 9 kB, installed size 60 kB07:28
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intelikeyreldruh did your hostname get set properly?   you aren't running with "i-dont-have-a-name"   for a hostname are you ?07:30
intelikeyoh wait.07:31
intelikeythat's resolv.conf issue.07:31
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intelikeyreldruh check your   /etc/reslov.conf file.    and note it's not sticky so just editing it wont fix it permanantly07:32
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intelikeyfor sticky-ness i think it's /etc/defaults/something-errr-other07:33
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bcherryout of curiosity anyone here run kde4b2 on gutsy?07:36
bcherryi never did get it working right during my time with gutsy (back to feisty for now)07:36
ardchoillebcherry: Perhaps join #ubuntu+1 ?07:38
bcherrythanks ardchoille07:38
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intelikeycrap.   i have a ps2 wheel mouse,  and if i click the wheel then i no longer have a right button,   pfft.07:41
ardchoilletrackball > mouse :P07:42
intelikeyin gpm left button copy ritht button paste   but default.  but if i click the wheel then right no paste no mo07:42
intelikeytrackball heh07:43
ardchoillehilight and middle-click?07:43
ardchoilleintelikey: Does the right button still offer context menu when that happens?07:43
intelikeyardchoille as in both or as in wheel   middle ?07:43
intelikeyardchoille console.07:43
intelikeyno it never did offer any menus07:44
ardchoilleas in wheel click pastes the hilighted item07:44
ardchoilleintelikey: In konsole you can specify a paste key combo. I use ctrl+shift+v for paste07:44
intelikeyyeah but i dont' want wheel click to paste,    i want it to stay the way it is when gpm starts.07:45
intelikeyardchoille konsole != console    konsole = terminal emulator07:45
ardchoilleOh, that sucks07:45
ardchoillemy mouse doesn't even work in console07:45
ardchoilleYou're already ahead of me07:46
intelikeygpm will make it work.   but   you may have the same issue i have.07:46
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intelikeyhow do you adjust things in vlc -V svgalibs   without mouse ?    and how to you copy paste from irssi to w3b without a mouse  ???07:48
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intelikeyin the console i mean   ^07:48
ardchoilleI use screen for irssi and wget.. screen allows to copy/paste07:48
ardchoilleAnd I do't use vlc because it doesn't support closed pations. I'm deaf.07:49
intelikeyyeah i know.  i just don't like screen   and i know that there are keys for the vlc Q07:49
intelikeyardchoille ah.07:49
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intelikeyardchoille didn't know.   sorry to hear that.07:49
ardchoilleNot a problem, I can get a good night sleep when the neighbours are fighting :)07:50
intelikeyno pun inteneded there,  for a change.07:50
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intelikeythat works.   as long as they are not in the same room...07:50
ardchoilleI like screen because you can have 30 diff apps open in one console07:50
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ardchoille<-- lazy07:51
intelikeythat's what right alt key is for...    left alt + f1-12   tty 1-12  right alt + f1-12 = tty 13-2407:52
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intelikeybut i wrote a script that switches me to any tty   just type the number and you are there.    if it wasn't active, it is now.07:53
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ardchoilleNice :)07:55
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chernovtut est' russkie???07:55
intelikeylooks a little odd having 128 symlinks in ~/bin/  named 1 2 3 4...128  but works well07:56
intelikeyerrr 127 actually07:56
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ubotu   #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke07:56
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chernovintelikey: ty otkuda?07:57
intelikeyno i can't speak it.07:57
jfryJust updated to kubuntu 7.10 beta... all went well (sorta) except I cant get past the acpid udate, "invoke-rc.d: initscript acpid, action "start" failed."   Anyone have an idea that will allow me to finish up (acpid, acpi-support, powermanagement-interface, and kubuntu-desktop are not installed).07:59
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ardchoillejfry: You need to be in #ubuntu+1 for gutsy help08:00
intelikeyjfry a simple hack is to edit the acpid script and add exit 0 to the second line08:00
intelikeyfinish up and restore it.08:01
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jfryintelikey: I'll try that, thanks08:01
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intelikeynot the least of which is that all systems have /bin/sh = /bin/bash   that has broken many installs08:03
jfryintelikey: worked like a charm!... wish I would have thought of that!08:03
intelikeyjfry next time you will08:04
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jfrythanks again!  Off go bed!08:05
ardchoillejfry: Write this stuff down, then you can write yourself a script to make things easier if you ever have to reinstall.08:05
intelikeyimo bash should not even be marked as "required"   it's no longer fully posix compliant08:05
intelikeyjfry heh  or you can write a tut  on ubuntu hacks that are needed just to maintain sanity   lol08:06
ardchoilleI have a sfript that does update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, install app, tweak apps/themes, clean, and reboot (all while I go have lunch). When I return, the system is ready for me to use.08:06
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jfryardchoille: good idea, except I don't suspect I will ever upgrade from 7.06 to 7.10 again... I'd just install direct on a diff machine08:06
ardchoillejfry: Scripts can work on simple reinstalls too08:06
intelikeyjfry i have never used 7.*  that hack comes for previous versions    thus signfying that you will probably need it again08:07
jfryardchoille: I know... but this was an upgrade related issue, I'd imagine that I wouldn't see it on a fresh install.08:07
sstchurI'm trying to build network-manager from source, but when I run ./configure, I get "Package requirements (hal >= 0.5.0) were not met, but I do in fact have hal (I believe > 0.5.0).  Can anyone help?08:07
intelikeyjfry     ^    it was an "install" issue.   any package could do you that way on any install.08:08
ardchoillesstchur: If you updated on Feisty hal should be
jfrysstchur: did you build-dep before trying to build the source... solves a lot of issues08:09
sstchurardchoille: yes, I am running Feisty08:09
sstchurjfry: no, I'm not really experienced at building from source... what is build-dep?08:09
jfryapt-get build-dep network-manger08:09
ubotuCompiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)08:10
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jfrythis will locate and install any dependancies required for building package manger08:10
jfryer network-manger08:10
sstchurjfry: oh ok... do I need to build networkmanager from source to get the latest?  I know I can run apt-get install networkmanager, but I'm having problems with it, and thought perhaps I needed a later version whcih I cannot get with apt-get ?08:10
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ardchoillesstchur: open a term and run:  apt-cache policy network-manager08:12
ardchoilleSee if it's already installed08:12
ardchoilleI have a feeling it is08:13
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sstchurardchoille: says, Installed 0.6.4-ubuntu7 (among other things)08:14
ardchoillesstchur: Yes, network-manager is already installed. Is that what you're trying to compile?08:14
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ardchoillesstchur: And unless you really need the latest for a specific reason, I would suggest sticking to what is already installed08:16
sstchurardchoille: yeah, well, occasionally my wifi will disconnect and I won't be able to reconnect without resetting my router, which is really annoying -- it just stop at like 28% and keeps prompting for my wpa key.  I read somewhere that it was fixed in the latest versions of network-manager, so I thought I'd try to build from source08:16
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ardchoilleAh, ok, well there is a tutorial that may help08:16
ardchoille!wireless | sstchur08:16
ubotusstchur: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs08:16
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sstchurardchoille: looking now... does it have anything specific to my problem?  B/c it works 90% of the time.  It's just that after long periods of inactivity it will drop the connection and /never/ seem to pick it back up08:18
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ardchoillesstchur: IMHO, it's worth looking over a tutorial if it has the chance of helping solve a problem. It may keep you from compiling.. worth a look.08:19
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ardchoilleI don't use wireless, but I can't count the number of times tutorials have kept me from unnecessary work.08:19
jfrysstchur: I'm not sure what router you are using... but I have solved most of my problems like that by updating the firmware on my routers... or replacing it all together on my WRT routers.08:20
jfrysstchur: you might also be able to get a newer version by enabling the backports repositories08:21
sstchurjfry: actually I thought my problem was my router (an older netgear).  I actually went out and bought a new Buffalo router, but I still have the same issue occasionally08:21
jfryIf the new Buffalo is supported by DD-WRT... I highly recommend replacing the firmware08:22
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sstchurjfry: I just find it so strange... why would it work for hours and hours and then all of the sudden disconnect, and then after disconnecting, /refuse/ to reconnect until I reset my router (I can still see my ESSID and everything; it just wont connect)08:22
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sstchurjfry: what is DD_WRT?08:22
jfrysstchur: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices08:23
jfrysstchur: it's an open source firmware for WRT based (and a few other) routers.08:23
jfrysstchur: it opens up a lot of options that the manufacturer doesn't allow... for example I use a couple of routers to bridge my lan to a neighbors house08:24
sstchuroh, interesting... so it's a firmware upgrade that doesn't come from the manufacturer?08:24
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jfrysstchur: exactly... and it's all linux based... but has a handy web management console... the project started because the original linksys wrt routers were linux based and thus were easily modified08:25
sstchurjfry: so I think my router is supported... how would I go about upgrading the firmware?  I dont' see any firmware upgrade to actually download?08:27
jfrysstchur: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Installation08:28
jfryit will walk you through it... just make sure you pay attention to any notes in the compatibility list I sent you... on some routers you must use the tftp method, or install the mini or micro version the first time.08:29
sstchurok, thanks08:29
jfrysstchur: keep in mind that it is possible to "brick" your router... though I have only ever done that once and was able to recover it using guides on that site.08:29
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zc_hello, can anyone help me on playing real media files on a 64 bit Kubuntu?08:31
jfrysstchur: I belive that most/all buffalo routers must use the tftp method... it's not hard though.08:32
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ksivajizc_ real medai files08:32
GuHHHhy my pendrive doesnt mount automatically anymore? and it says i dont have permission to edit it.08:32
zc_ksivaji, like rm rmvb08:32
jfrysstchur: good luck, and welcome to the world of embedded device hacking!... I'm off to bed, I hope all goes well for you!08:32
ksivajizc_ sorry no idea08:33
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zc_hello, can anyone help me on playing real media files on a 64 bit Kubuntu?08:35
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GuHHHwhy my pendrive doesnt mount automatically anymore? and it says i dont have permission to edit it.08:36
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zc_GuHHH mount as a root?08:37
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GuHHHzc_ i did08:39
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ninHerhi all08:40
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crazy_busI've got a geforce2mx.  And while it works with the default binary drivers in edgy in doesn't work with either the drivers installed by the script envy, or the restricted driver manager in feisty.  It just loads to a half loginscreen, half nvidia logo and freezes when installed by those methods.  How do I fix this?08:43
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gokimhock_halo indonesia08:45
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ninHerg'day from spain08:46
gokimhock_gila tuh windows08:46
gokimhock_spain? hai.... nin08:47
ksivajihttp://pastebin.com/m3866caa6 please help me run this script08:48
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stdinksivaji: try http://pastebin.com/d58ecc46508:50
stdinksivaji: line 7 is the only change08:50
ksivajistdin ok08:50
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stdinksivaji: oops, actually http://pastebin.com/de3bf2  (removed the '$' from the start too)08:51
stdinksivaji: hold on, still more to do08:52
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ksivajistdin ok08:52
stdinksivaji: there you go http://pastebin.com/dc0615af08:54
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stdinksivaji: remember, if you're setting a variable you don't put the '$'  in it08:55
ksivajistdin ho ok08:56
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ksivajistdin it works08:57
stdinof course, I made it :p08:57
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ksivajistdin do you thing it is better to learn python08:59
stdinksivaji: for something like that, no08:59
ksivajistdin you mean learning python is not useful09:00
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stdinpython is good when you need to preform some complex tasks without writing a C app09:00
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stdinfor simple tasks, python is overkill09:00
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stdinthink about it, with python the code is actually compiled on the system just before it's run09:01
stdinthis can make a lot of overhead for small tasks09:01
stdin(but is good for some other things)09:02
ksivajistdin ya i compard execution time of python and c09:02
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zc_anyone know how to install RealPlayer in a 64 bit kubuntu?09:03
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stdinzc_: I think you'd have to install the 32bit version, there is no 64bit RealPlayer09:06
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stdinzc_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins#head-7bbe352556dad78637cfaa3dfc97a52313c4d8d809:07
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zc_<stdin> hi,stdin, do you know where the codecs which i can used directly onto Mplayer or Xine?09:08
devianceWhats the command to unbmount a devices? Its trying to copy files.09:09
devianceOh its done09:09
ardchoillezc_: Do you mean w32codecs? libxine1-ffmpeg?09:11
stdinzc_: for the windows codecs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64#head-54b678e0bfe810c13d7557a619007c42c97f67a709:11
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zc_stdin, thanks i will try the 64codecs,32bit codecs no good09:12
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zc_ardchoille, i tried the w32codecs, but i doesnt seem to work properly09:13
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ardchoillezc_: What kind of file are you trying to open?09:16
zc_ardchoille, rm and rmvb on a b4 bit Kubuntu09:18
emilsedghzc_: cant kaffeine play it?09:19
zc_ardchoille, when i played with Xine it says "Real Video 4.0 handle missing"09:19
VSpikeDoes anyone else find that when they try to open the BBC Radio Player at www.bbc.co.uk/radio4 the realplayer plugin pretty much hangs their browser?09:19
zc_emilsedgh, nope doesnt play09:20
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JucatoVSpike: it doesn't hang but the audio is choppy...09:21
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VSpikeJucato: I find various problems - choppy audio, unresponsive browser.. if I try "listen in standalone player", I get no audio09:22
VSpikeJucato: doesn't help that helix player uses OSS and seems to use the wrong sound devices on my machine09:23
JucatoI see. I don't have real/helix installed and didn't try the listen in standalone. sorry09:23
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VSpikeJucato: what's doing the playing for you?09:25
Jucatodon't really know09:25
VSpikeJucato: :)09:25
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zc_stdin, you are the best, it works09:29
Jucatohe isn't... but he sure is one of the best )09:29
zc_i never know before there were win64codecs09:29
Jucatoneither did I09:29
Jucatoso imagine my surprise reading that the first time after waking up09:30
Jucatoit was really... disturbing... :)09:30
VSpikedunno why the bbc have to use stupid realmedia format anyway09:30
stdinI scour the interblogospheres for those little tid-bits of info09:30
VSpikemutter mutter public server broadcaster mutter mutter09:30
VSpikebad enough that they are selling their soul to windows media for their new player09:31
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stdinVSpike: try complaining to them (he says knowing all it'll get you is "Thanks for you commend, now pay your license like a good little shlob")09:31
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peter_can anyone help me with a webcam issue....i'm on ubuntu:)09:36
SETKEH-NRNSheys guys i have problem lol09:36
stdinyou can get Ubuntu help in #ubuntu09:36
peter_thanks :)09:37
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SETKEH-NRNSi downloaded kubuntu from the site and burned it to bootable cd (no dvds on hand) all good and sweet rebbot my pc it gets to configuring network interface and stays the and not move fot 20 mins09:37
SETKEH-NRNSlol i dunno what i did wrong but a few distros do it on my pc O_o09:38
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SETKEH-NRNSstdin any ideas mate ??09:40
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stdinI haven't used a LiveCD in a while, so I can't really say09:41
SETKEH-NRNSstdin no worrys thanks mate09:41
stdinif you just want to install, try the alternate CD09:41
SETKEH-NRNSill just wait for a bit see who joins and ask again :D09:41
stdinalways works for me09:41
ardchoilleSETKEH-NRNS: Is it an older computer?09:42
SETKEH-NRNSlol mine freezes and it suck because as far a i know kubuntu dapper (the new one to dapper) is the only one that has the broadcom drivers preinstalled lol09:42
SETKEH-NRNSardchoille i paid 4500 aud for it lol it wont wanna be old lol09:42
SETKEH-NRNSit about 3 months old lol09:43
ardchoilleSETKEH-NRNS: Yeah, that happened with me. I did some research and found that something changed in the kernel and it no longer recognised my NIC09:43
SETKEH-NRNSardchoille i have pclinuxos installed at the moment but i cant find the nvidia nic driver i need in the .inf format lol09:44
ardchoilleSETKEH-NRNS: NIC = Network Interface Card09:46
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SETKEH-NRNSardchoille i know mate i have a wireless one and and ethernet one and i need the drivers in the .inf format for the wireless one09:47
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ksivajihttp://pastebin.com/m4edc25b3 please help me i got this error when i am tring to install prozilla a download manager09:48
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ardchoille!wireless | SETKEH-NRNS09:48
ubotuSETKEH-NRNS: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs09:48
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SETKEH-NRNSi think i have read it but i will try agaion lol09:49
ardchoilleksivaji: You don't run "make" with sudo.. sudo is only needed for "make install"09:50
SETKEH-NRNSlol it doesent have the broadcom 802.11a drivers lol09:51
ardchoilleksivaji: I don't that that is the reason for the error, just letting you know for future09:51
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ksivajiardchoille ok09:51
ksivajiardchoille how to solve this09:52
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ardchoilleksivaji: No idea, I use kget as my download manager09:52
ksivajisivaji@sivaji-desktop:~/package/prozilla/prozilla-2.0.4$ kget09:52
ksivajibash: kget: command not found09:52
stdinksivaji: you know prozilla is a command line download manager?09:52
ksivajistdin yes09:52
ardchoille!info kget09:53
ubotukget: download manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu9 (feisty), package size 440 kB, installed size 1192 kB09:53
stdinksivaji: there is prozgui too09:53
ksivajistdin i alread have version
ksivajistdin but its not good09:53
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stdinksivaji: of prozilla or prozgui? I have 2.0.4 of prozilla and 2.0.5 of prozgui in my PPA and09:54
stdin* and I could upload a feisty version09:54
ksivajistdin not good in the sence i dont like that windows look and style09:55
SETKEH-NRNSi got feisty lol09:55
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stdinksivaji: well, give it a while and I could put prozilla 2.0.4 in an apt archive for you (if you want)09:55
ksivajistdin please do it09:56
ardchoillestdin: You're cool :)09:56
VSpikestdin: probably true (re: BBC)09:57
ksivajistdin ok its time for lunch brb09:57
SETKEH-NRNShow am i suposet to use wget to get the stuff i need for my wirless driver if i cant use my wireless nic to get on the internet lol09:57
VSpikecan anyone tell me how I can control which programs firefox and thunderbird use to open files in KDE?  e.g. Evince instead of kpdf, totem instead of kaffeine, etc.09:58
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stdinksivaji: it should be there soon, "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu/ feisty universe" is the repo you'll need09:58
ardchoilleVSpike: Edit > Preferences, go to the Content tab and see the File Types section ?09:59
ardchoilleVSpike: Never mind, I don't think that's it.09:59
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ardchoilleVSpike: Maybe change the file association in kde. I think firefox is just handing it off to kde and kde is opening it according to file association10:00
VSpikeardchoille: yeah, I thought that too, but that only seems to relate to plugins like flash and so on10:00
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VSpikeardchoille: I think the problem is that firefox and tbird seem to use different defaults to everything kde10:00
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JucatoVSpike: about:config probably?10:01
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ardchoilleJucato: Wouldn't it be a kde file assoc thing?10:01
VSpikeHeh.. just googled for "sample pdf" to test what konqueror did with a pdf file.  http://illiad.evms.edu/sample.pdf  ... Oh no I dont :)10:02
Jucato"can anyone tell me how I can control which programs firefox and thunderbird use to open files in KDE? "10:02
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VSpikeardchoille: tbird and firefox seem to use GNOME defaults, not KDE ones10:02
Jucatounless he wants to change KDE defaults too10:02
ardchoilleJucato: Yes, but isn't firefox just handing the file off to kde and kde is opening it via the file assoc?10:02
srednawill kde 3.5.8 make it into the gutsy release?10:02
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ardchoilleVSpike: Oh, ok10:02
Jucatoardchoille: yes, but unless he wants to change the settings for all of KDE, Firefox and Thunderbird have their own settings for default apps afaik10:03
VSpikeJucato: I'm happy with the KDE defaults, I just want ffox and tbird to use them, or at least duplicate them10:03
ardchoilleJucato: Ah, ok10:03
Jucatotell that do ardchoille :)10:03
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VSpikeI don't think it's in about:config10:04
VSpikeIt would be interesting I guess to boot into gnome and change the default handlers and see if firefox changes.  then boot back into kde and see if the changes stick10:05
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ardchoilleVSpike: I don't have gnome installed and firefox respects kde file associations.. maybe that's it10:06
VSpikeardchoille: could be10:06
Jucatohttp://kb.mozillazine.org/Adobe_Reader http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Integrate_Firefox_with_KDE#PDF:_KPDF10:07
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VSpikeIt's just one of the fun things about my desktop - never quite knowing what program is going to open when you click on something :)10:09
ardchoilleVSpike: hehe10:09
Jucatomine is all KDE.. so it's all consistent  and controllable :)10:09
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waylandbillfirefox prints faulty on my system, but konqueror does beautifully.10:10
VSpikeJucato: good articles, thanks... looks like /etc/mailcap is the key10:11
Jucatojust a quick google so I couldn't really check the quality10:12
VSpikecertainly if I look in mine, I can see a lot of the apps which come up from firefox10:12
VSpikelike, if I do "grep x-bzip /etc/mailcap" I see both ark and file-roller, and it's the latter which comes up I think10:14
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VSpikeIt's a real pain, because after file-roller unpacks the archive, it opens a nautlius window to show the files.  That gets really confusing10:14
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stdinanything that starts with a 'K'10:15
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VSpikeI still dunno if I prefer kde to gnome.  gnome just crashes on my system so I've never had a chance to give it a fair go10:15
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stdinthe best K of all... Kubuntu :)10:16
VSpikecan someone with pure kde try that grep line for me and tell me what you get?10:17
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_4strOsalut tout le monde10:17
VSpikeThe worst thing about kde is kicker, i reckon10:17
JucatoVSpike: which one?10:17
VSpikegrep x-bzip /etc/mailcap10:18
stdinapplication/x-bzip;     ark -caption "Archiver" '%s';   nametemplate=%s.bz;     test=test "$DISPLAY" != ""10:18
ksivajistdin prozilla removes my linux hearder10:18
Jucatoapplication/x-bzip;     ark -caption "Archiver" '%s';   nametemplate=%s.bz;     test=test "$DISPLAY" != ""10:18
stdinksivaji: huh?10:18
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ksivajistdin http://pastebin.com/m5655d53410:19
ksivajiJucato :10:19
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VSpikeI dont get it though - you'd kind of expect firefox to show all the alternative handlers listed in /etc/mailcap for any given type, but it doesn't10:19
Jucatoum... hi! :)10:19
waylandbillgnome is a perfectly good DE. It just has a different idealogy with different programming interfaces and different methods of accomplishing a task.10:19
Jucatowaylandbill: that's why I never said anything against GNOME :)10:20
ksivajiwaylandbill it think you havent seen KDE before10:20
Jucatoksivaji: just focus on your problem please? thanks10:20
ksivajiJucato ok10:21
stdinksivaji: humf. well first, that's the gutsy package. 2nd I need to fix those dependencies  :p10:21
waylandbillhmm. haven't seen kde before what period in time? :)10:21
Jucatowaylandbill: enough already. don't fan the flame :P10:22
waylandbilldid the updgrade to gusty. other than ndiswrapper not modprobing at startup, it went without a hitch.10:23
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waylandbillnow I can look forward to 79 - 100 MB updates every week. lol.10:25
SETKEH-NRNShttp://setkeh.bravehost.com/linux.htm for info on the teamspeak server i run for linux10:25
stdinksivaji: give it about an hour (launchpads queue takes a while) and it should magically appear in the repo10:25
Jucatomy upgrade crashed with gs-esp, then had to retry about twice10:25
ksivajistdin ok10:26
mefisto__is it possible to set the firefox "back" keyboard shortcut to the backspace key rather than alt+left-arrow?10:26
stdinksivaji: I built it because development of it seems to be dead, but it's one of the only downloader apps that work10:26
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waylandbillmefisto__: then how does one fix a mistake on a form without bs?10:27
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Jucatomefisto__: for Konqueror?10:29
mefisto__waylandbill: if focus is in a form field, it should just treat key presses as "type this"10:29
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Jucatowaylandbill: Konqueror can distinguish which has focus10:29
Jucatomefisto__: Settings -> Configure Konqueor -> Keyboard Shortcuts10:29
mefisto__Jucato: so it can't be done for firefox?10:29
Jucatomefisto__: Firefox? isn't that the default already?10:30
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mefisto__Jucato: it should be, but on kubuntu it's always been alt+left-arrow for me10:30
VSpikehas anyone tried using kgtk in kubuntu? sounds interesting10:30
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stdinis that the same as gtk-qt-engine ?10:31
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VSpikestdin: nope. http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=3607710:31
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stdinoh right, I've been meaning to try that out10:32
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SETKEH-NRNSjeez thoes debian mob are a pack of wankers lol10:36
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.10:36
stdinbut true10:36
SETKEH-NRNSsorry mate10:36
SETKEH-NRNSi had to get that out10:36
VSpikei once had a dpkg question that no-one in #ubuntu or #kubuntu could answer, so i went #debian and asked it.  to be fair, they did know the answer, but once they found out I was using ubuntu I got rapidly ejected with a torrent of abuse :)10:37
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mefisto__for anyone interested in firefox on linux backspace/back action, see http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.backspace_action10:38
SETKEH-NRNSi posted that teamspeak link to them a got flamed for self promotion and a crap website lol10:38
ksivajihow to set opera as my default browser10:39
stdinjust so you know, the operators or #debian do not reflect the debian developers or general debian community (disclaimer)10:39
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SETKEH-NRNSso obviously its not wanted and i deleted the teamspeak server unless you guys would like one for your selfs10:39
tobias_ksivaji: K-Menu, System, Standard Programs10:39
SETKEH-NRNSstdin thanks for the heads up mate not really offended i have had much worse done to me and i have seen allot better and alot crapper websites than my owne lol10:40
mefisto__tobias_: standard programs? on which version of kubuntu?10:40
stdinksivaji: KMenu > system settings > default applications10:40
tobias_mefisto__: feisty ?10:41
mefisto__tobias_: doesn't exist on mine10:41
ksivajistdin ya i got10:41
stdinyou need to enable the menu, it puts kcontrol entries in kmenu10:41
tobias_well standard programs is the same as default applications10:41
tobias_sorry >.<10:41
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mefisto__np tobias_, just thought I had a missing menu entry10:42
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SETKEH-NRNSany one want to write a reveiw on kubuntu for me before i write mine for my site ???10:42
tobias_mefisto__: =) no problem10:42
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ksivajihow to enable root login10:45
stdinwhy do you want to?10:46
VSpikehmm doesn't work for me10:46
VSpikeah well10:46
ksivajistdin i think its better to know10:47
stdinwhy? it's not a good idea to login (GUI) as root10:48
stdinthat's why it's disabled10:48
mefisto__ksivaji: you know about sudo and kdesu, don't you?10:48
ksivajimefisto__ ya i know kdesu10:48
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kristjan_for new "secondary groups" of user to take effect I must log out and back in?10:50
ksivajistdin mefisto__  we have two system here  one is kubuntu (mine) and other one xp (my bro) they are connected via switch  is it possible to browser  c: , d: of my bro system from kubuntu10:50
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stdinif he shares them via windows file sharing10:51
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tobias_doesnt he need Samba installed first ?10:52
stdinwindows doesn't have samba10:52
ksivajiis there anything like samba for windows10:53
tobias_I know <.<10:53
VSpikethat should probably go in the topic :)10:53
tobias_I mean he wants to browse the Xp System from his Kubuntu System10:53
stdinsamba is for everything else, it's used to work with windows file sharing10:53
VSpikeksivaji: samba is an opensource implementation of built in windows networking protocols10:53
stdintobias_: the samba client is pre-installed10:53
VSpikein kde you should just be able to put samba: into konq, I think10:54
tobias_oh... okay.. that's weird because I installed it manually10:54
tobias_but okay - thats what I am talking about, I am not that confused ..10:54
VSpikeyeah thanks stdin10:54
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tobias_you might also type: "\\PCNAME" then he ads the smb automatically10:55
ksivajistdin important thing file sharing should be  allowed with in LAN not across Internet10:55
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kristjan_how much ram did ubuntu need for desktop install? 360?10:55
VSpikeksivaji: do you have a nat router?10:55
stdinksivaji: I don't use the insecure windows file sharing anyway, so I don't care :p10:55
ksivajiVSpike i have switch here10:56
VSpikeksivaji: what is your internet connection?10:57
stdinkristjan_: I think the recommended amount for the Live install is 512MB10:57
ksivajiVSpike broadband 128Kbps10:58
VSpikeksivaji: adsl?10:58
ksivajii am not sure VSpike10:59
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VSpikeDo you have a box plugged into the wall somewhere?  Does it connect to the phone line?11:00
VSpikeksivaji: ^11:00
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ksivajiVSpike yes yes11:00
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ksivajiVSpike are you there11:01
VSpikeksivaji: if you start a terminal and do "tracepath www.google.com", then what are the first two lines?11:03
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VSpikeksivaji: ok, you have a nat router. you should be pretty safe11:04
ksivajiVSpike no i have switch11:05
ksivajiVSpike i know its switch i bought it11:05
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VSpiketo be sure, make sure that on the windows box, all the accounts have a secure password, the guest account is disabled, and that you edit the permissions on the shares on the windows box to only allow specific users11:06
VSpikeksivaji: ^11:06
Jucatowaylandbill: ping11:06
VSpikeksivaji: to make your life easier, create an account on the XP box with the same username as your kubuntu account11:06
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VSpikeksivaji: what is the switch connected to... the broadband box?11:06
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ksivajiVSpike Fast ethernet switch 100Mb/s11:07
ksivaji8bit port11:07
ksivajithis is what i know dont mistake me11:08
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ksivajiVSpike are you there11:11
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VSpikeksivaji: the switch is connected to the two computers, but it must also be connected to something else11:11
ksivajiVSpike yes it is connected to modem11:11
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VSpikeusing ethernet cable?11:12
VSpikeksivaji: then that other box is not a modem, it's a nat router11:12
VSpikeksivaji: does it have any make or model number on it?11:13
ksivajiyes beetel 220X11:13
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ksivajiVSpike ^11:22
ksivajijust installing file sharing server will allow me to login or i need to do something else11:22
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ScorpKingksivaji: all you have to do is enable file sharing in xp.11:28
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VSpikeksivaji: you just need to right-click the folder in windows and go to "sharing and security"11:28
ksivajiScorpKing ho ok11:29
ksivajiVSpike thanks a lot11:29
ksivajiScorpKing thanks11:29
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ksivajiok its time for me to leave bye11:29
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lordofthepigshello, my company has just installed an 802.1x authentication on its wired network, and I need to configure xsupplicant to work with it11:36
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lordofthepigsI have it running now, but I would like to know how I can make sure that the xsupplicant deamon starts up at the same time as my system11:36
lordofthepigsand how to make it start before DHCP (since I can't get a valid IP address before having been authenticated)11:37
lordofthepigsdoes anybody have an idea how to do that?11:37
hasta2003how can I share a windows printer with my lan and use it in linux?11:38
hasta2003Do I need linux drivers for the printer?11:38
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ubotuPrinting in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows11:40
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VSpiketoo late- we didn't reply within 1 minute :)11:41
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ardchoilleI just got out of the pool and looked at my screen11:41
VSpikeyou have a pool by the computer?11:42
ardchoilleI have an indoor pool on my property11:43
ardchoilleI have a computer by my pool11:43
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ardchoilleIf I could figure out how to water proof it, I'd have a computer *in* my pool11:45
ScorpKingthat might be a mission. :P11:46
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ScorpKinglordofthepigs: all i know is that the startup cripts are it /etc/rc*.d/ . maybe poke around in there and try to figure it out.11:49
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ubotuadept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto11:51
ScorpKinglordofthepigs: it looks like there is a rc*.d for every runlevel. also S12 will start before S99 i think. not sure tho.11:51
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VSpikelordofthepigs: ScorpKing is exactly right - the numerical value in the link controls the start order, or at least it did ... not entirely sure how upstart changes things, if at all11:52
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VSpikewow.. i just looked again at ksysv .. what an astoundingly awful gui :)11:57
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srednais there a libxine package in kubuntu that is sufficient for kde4 (1.1.7 or higher)?12:08
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carlinux!ask | can someone help me about tty1-612:25
ubotucan someone help me about tty1-6: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)12:25
carlinuxhello ?12:26
stdininteresting use of the ask factoid, but follow it's advice and ask the real question12:26
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carlinuxwhen i'm running an xsession as usual i press ctrl+alt+f1-6 i'm supposed to see a command line log in12:27
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carlinuxbut i can see anything exepted an error message12:28
stdinwhat message?12:28
carlinuxuser not known to the underlying module12:28
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carlinuxrepeated 10 times on each tyy12:28
stdinwhat happens if you press enter on one of the ttys, do you see a login prompt?12:29
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carlinuxi want to have a login prompt12:29
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carlinuxthis is the problem12:29
stdinI've never seen or herd of that error12:30
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stdinsee if anyone knows in ##linux12:30
carlinuxthanks a lot12:30
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stdincarlinux: also, try asking on https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/  reach a broader audience12:31
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KimppaHi. I have java version 1.4.2 on my computer (java --version) and I need to upgrade to 1.5 or greater, the question is, how do I upgrade it?12:48
stdin!java | Kimppa12:49
ubotuKimppa: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.12:49
carlinuxcan someone show me an output of ps -A | grep tty12:49
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stdincarlinux: http://stdin.pastebin.us/3993312:50
carlinuxthanks a lot12:51
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carlinuxbecause for my self the output is  6100 tty7     00:03:00 Xorg12:51
carlinuxnothing else12:51
Jenn1Hello :)12:51
stdincarlinux: you on feisty?12:52
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stdinwhat does the command "runlevel" show?12:52
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carlinuxN 212:52
carlinuxsupposed to be 3 ?12:53
JenniIs there a possible chance i could get some help to a question? x.o12:53
stdin!ask | Jenni12:53
ubotuJenni: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)12:53
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carlinuxwich runlevel am i supposed to have12:53
JenniWell, the question i have is, i try and boot the disk from my drive (Running win xp sp2) like it says, i get the messege "Loading browser please wait...." and then it does that...and nothing after that12:54
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stdincarlinux: you are supposed to be on runlevel 2, and you are12:54
Jenniive rebooted, tried 3 differnt burning apps, differnt media (cd and dvd) nothing happens x.o just the same effect over and over12:54
chernovEst' russkue lyudi?12:54
chernovcarlinux: Priva. Ty otkuda?12:55
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JenniI dont suppose anybody else has encountered this issue yet, have they? x.o12:55
carlinuxya frantsuzkii12:55
chernovrusskiy znaesh?12:56
ubotu   #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke12:56
carlinuxya izu4aiu russkii yazik12:56
chernovpriyatno slyshat'12:56
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carlinuxquelqu'un parle francais ?12:56
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chernovya ne znayu frantsuzskiy12:57
carlinuxeta trudni12:57
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stdinthis is an English language channel12:57
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dhq_are thereany eifi tools12:58
ubotuWireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs12:58
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chernovstdin: i know!12:58
chernovidi nahuy12:58
chernovv pizdu12:58
chernovi v zhopu12:58
dhq_chernov, english please12:59
stdinenglish _only_12:59
ubotuAllez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.12:59
chernovstdin: idi na huy!!!12:59
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carlinuxill speak english12:59
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carlinuxis there a way to run tty by running a command ?01:00
JenniSo, nobody knows anything about the lovely issue ive encountered? x.o01:00
stdincarlinux: try "sudo /sbin/getty 38400 tty1"01:00
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stdinJenni: have you rebooted with the CD in the tray?01:01
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JenniYep, and have tried rebooting with it not in the tray, and tried booting it from disk01:01
ubunturosI installed glibc-doc. Does that mean, I can read the functions provided by stdio.h?01:01
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stdinJenni: then you need to enter the computers BIOS and set it to boot from CD-ROM01:02
carlinuxit does nothing01:02
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about glibc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:02
stdincarlinux: nothing on tty2 ?01:02
carlinuxi tried both01:02
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Jennistdin: when i do that, it just sits in the bios until it flicks over to win xp after enough time of nothing01:03
stdinubunturos: you want manpages-dev01:03
ubunturosstdin: ah, ok01:03
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stdinJenni: how did you burn the CD?01:03
stdincarlinux: hmm, I'm not too sure01:03
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carlinuxu'r the master of every master !!01:04
Jenniburned as a iso using roxio burner, then i tried wtih infrarecorder (reccommened on the page) and i even tried burn4free01:04
Jennibut yah, i did burn it as a iso, not just a everyday data disk :)01:04
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carlinuxwhen i press ctrl+alt+f2 i can see a log in prompt01:04
stdincarlinux: can you tell me what files are in /etc/event.d/ then?01:05
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stdinJenni: it's possible you have a bad image01:07
carlinuxcontrol-alt-delete logd rc0 rc1 rc2 rc3 rc4 rc5 rc6 rc-default rcS rcS-sulogin sulogin tty1 tty2 tty3 tty4 tty5 tty601:07
ubunturosstdin: thanks, but what's within glibc-doc?01:07
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carlinuxperhaps there is an error in my tty1-601:07
Jenniya think so? alrighty, ill try and download it again then :) the program that opens up on the program bar is called "splash start"01:08
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stdincarlinux: post what's in the rc2 file to pastebin and let's see01:08
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stdinubunturos: some general documentation I think01:09
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carlinuxstart on runlevel 201:09
carlinuxstop on runlevel [!2] 01:09
stdinto pastebin01:09
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)01:09
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stdincarlinux: ok, that looks OK to me, how about the "tty1" file?01:11
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carlinuxi think the problem is in the tty files01:12
carlinuxexec /bin/login -f ubuntu </dev/tty1 > /dev/tty1 2>&101:13
carlinuxexec /bin/login -f root </dev/tty1 > /dev/tty1 2>&101:13
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stdincarlinux: is this on the liveCD or an installed system ?01:13
carlinuxinstalled but i copied it from the cd to try to repair it01:15
carlinuxbut as i see the problem user not known bla bla01:15
carlinuxthe user not known is ubuntu01:15
carlinuxexec /bin/login -f ubuntu </dev/tty1 > /dev/tty1 2>&101:15
carlinuxreplace by01:15
stdinyeah, now I see why :)01:15
carlinuxexec /bin/login -f root </dev/tty1 > /dev/tty1 2>&101:15
stdinno, don't do that :p01:15
stdintry "sudo apt-get --reinstall install system-services"01:16
carlinuxi did it before01:17
carlinuxbut ill do it again01:17
Jenniugh, downloading os's at 4am after working a 13 hours shift x.o never a smart idea01:17
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carlinuxtty1 didnt changed01:17
carlinuxwhat do u have01:17
carlinuxexec /bin/login -f root </dev/tty1 > /dev/tty1 2>&101:17
carlinuxwhat's in your tty101:18
stdinI have "exec /sbin/getty 38400 tty1"01:18
stdinyou can try "sudo apt-get --purge system-services" then "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard system-services"01:18
carlinuxsudo apt-get --purge system-services doesent work01:19
stdinif you put root there you'll have a permanent (password-less) root shell open01:19
stdin"sudo apt-get --purge remove system-services" rather01:19
carlinuxbut i could change it mannually01:19
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stdinyou could, if you want to01:20
stdinjust make sure to edit them all01:20
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stdinexec /sbin/getty 38400 tty1 < change the "tty1" part to match all the file names01:20
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carlinuxtty changes01:20
stdinyou'll need to reboot to see if it worked01:21
ubuntu_slt tlm01:21
ubotuAllez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.01:21
Jenniokay, stdin, a slower burn didnt help at all01:21
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stdinJenni: it still doesn't boot from the CD?01:21
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Jenninope, it starts up the splashstart and the kubuntu splash apperes with the loading browser messege01:23
Jennithen nothing01:23
Jennithe iso has the md5sum file01:23
stdinno, boot from the cd, when you reboot with the CD01:23
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carlinuxIT WORKED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!01:24
carlinuxthaks a lot01:24
stdin:) no problem01:24
Jenniahh, alrighty, brb :\ wish me luck01:24
carlinuxnow i can get some sleep !!01:24
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carlinux2 days of deep search01:24
stdinyou're just lucky I know something about upstart ;)01:25
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carlinuxsorry to ask u that but what's upstart ( i saw a lot of post talking about it)01:26
stdinupstart is the replacement to the old init system01:26
stdinhttp://upstart.ubuntu.com/ < for more info01:26
carlinuxnow i understant01:26
carlinuxthis is why feisty dont have init01:27
carlinuxwith the runlevel01:27
carlinuxeverything is in event.d01:27
stdinwell, it does. bit init is really upstart01:27
stdinand it has a sysv compatibility layer to it, so old script don't breah01:28
stdinit's still quite new, but makes boot time much faster01:28
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carlinuxyeah while you are talking about booting i have an other question01:29
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Jenn1Okay, a new issue has arised :\01:29
carlinuxis it possible to configure the fonts in tty01:29
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Jenn1now, that time it did load, BUT when i try and choose a option, i get the messege unable to read boot cd01:29
Jenn1or something close to that01:29
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dthackerhow can I tell the version of Kubuntu I'm running?01:30
stdincarlinux: I *think* "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-tools" should do it01:30
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stdin!version | dthacker01:30
ubotudthacker: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell01:30
stdinJenn1: you may have bad media (CD)01:30
carlinuxupdate-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic01:31
carlinuxnothing else01:31
Jenn1Bleh x.o alrighty01:31
Jenn1i just have shitty luck dont i?01:31
stdinpossibly :)01:31
Jenn1ah well01:32
carlinuxand when i boot my kernel with quiet and splash option everyting goes black and my screen stop responfing01:32
stdincarlinux: with some systems, the splash option can cause some issues. I tend to just disable it (by removing "splash" from the boot options)01:33
carlinuxjenn1: in the ubuntu livecd boot menu use the check cd or medi option01:33
carlinuxthis is what i did lol01:33
carlinuxnow everything boot fin01:33
Jenn1i swear if i burn any more media, im going to have enough to like, huck at people until i can kill them >.> and that takes alot of media XD01:33
carlinuxjenn1: do u know what i mean01:34
carlinuxjenn1:can u see the boot menu01:34
Jenn1when i tried that01:34
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Jenn1it accualy gave me that messege x.o01:34
Jenn1in the process of burning again01:35
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carlinuxjenn1: can u describe me ur prob?01:37
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paolohi, can you link me some interesting projects about image processing, in vhdl?01:38
Jenn1carlinux basicly the issue im having01:38
Jenn1im trying to run the cd, ive not finaly got one that loaded to a boot menu of sorts01:38
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about vhdl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:39
carlinuxso u can see the boot menu01:39
Jenn1only to have when i tried ANY option i get a messege "unable to read boot cd"01:39
Jenn1and not atm, beacuse im in here x.o01:39
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carlinuxu told us that u burn a LOT of cds01:40
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paolodthacker: sorry, i sent it to the wrong channel :)))01:40
Jenn1ive had to burn a few for this, beacuse i was burning at the wrong speed to start and i didnt notice01:40
dthackerpaolo: np01:41
Jenn1now im burning at the right one, im getting that issue01:41
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carlinuxslow speed ??01:41
carlinuxhave u tried to burn it at slow speed01:41
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Jenn1That what i said i did01:41
carlinuxsorry lol cause i'm french01:42
Jenn1No worries, wish i remeber my quebecious from high school now X301:42
Jenn1Canadian french01:42
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carlinuxwhere are u from ?01:43
Jenn1British Columbia01:43
carlinuxi'm from quebec01:43
carlinuxha ok01:43
carlinuxthe best advice i can give u is to burn it in slow speed01:44
Jenn1mhm, ive done that, im trying another media, and well01:44
Jenn1if this doesnt work01:44
Jenn1its bed time for me x.o ill try more tommorow01:44
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Jenn1wish me luck guys! ^.^01:44
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carlinuxwait !!01:44
carlinuxjust a sec01:44
carlinuxcheck this pic01:44
Jenn1yes i get that image01:45
Jenn1thats where it crashed01:45
Jenn1(*isnt running this on a virtual pc, as a note*01:45
carlinuxwhen ur cd will be burned press enter on Check CD for defects01:45
Jenn1i tried that01:46
carlinuxit will check if ur cd is damaged01:46
Jenn1i got that crazy crash messege01:46
Jenn1every choice gave me that one01:46
Jenn1im trying again, if it doesnt work, ill come back to tell ya01:46
carlinuxperrhaps the ISO u are using is corrupted01:46
Jenn1im thinking that, gonna try this one last time01:46
carlinuxif nothing works download it again01:46
carlinuxsee you again !01:46
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Jenn2the thing has to be corrupted01:51
Jenn2i got the unable to read boot cd again01:51
Jenn2on every option01:51
Jenn2well i gotta sleep, thanks for the help guys and girls ^.^01:52
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aantipopksystemlog doesnt show logs from kernel or boot, is this a known problem ?=02:11
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jerihi everyone! im just new here02:17
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mooperHi, I have dual dvi monitors but ubuntu wont let me set them up as dual screen..... Apply is greyed out!02:18
jerican someone help how to install universe or multiverse02:19
aantipopjeri, whats you kubuntu version ? its enabled by default since feisty02:19
jeridapper drake 6.06 Lts02:19
jerii have trouble playing mp3s02:20
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aantipopjeri: type: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list02:21
ubotuIn KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo02:21
LjL!info libxin1-ffmpeg dapper02:21
LjL!info libxin11-ffmpeg dapper02:21
LjLggah sorry02:21
ubotuPackage libxin1-ffmpeg does not exist in dapper02:21
ubotuPackage libxin11-ffmpeg does not exist in dapper02:21
aantipopkdesu isnt installed @ dapper by default, is it ?02:22
Jucatoaantipop: of course it is02:22
LjLjeri: try installing libxine-extracodecs02:22
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jerihow do i do that?02:23
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LjLjeri: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs02:23
aantipophe needs to enable universe/multiverse first02:23
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jeriyup i need to enable it first02:25
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu02:25
aantipopjeri, the easiest way would be: launch adept manager02:26
aantipoptop left, click adept and "manage repositories" or whatever its called in english02:26
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aantipopthere you can enable universe and multiverse02:26
mooperHow do I change config of my display in system setting. everything is greyed out!02:27
LjLmooper: click on Administrator Mode.02:27
jerimy adept updater is running right now02:27
mooperLjL, I did. Its still all greyed out02:27
LjLmooper: did it ask for a password?02:28
mooperLjL no02:28
LjLmooper: are you on feisty?02:28
jerithen how?02:28
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mooperLjL yes02:28
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aantipopjeri: on top left, click on adept02:28
jerihow do in enable universe and mulitiverse?02:28
aantipopjeri: there should be a entry "manage repositories" or so02:29
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LjLmooper: well, at least for me it says it cannot be loaded at all :) but then again i'm on gutsy. close it and try again if you haven't. otherwise try  kdesudo kcontrol  and go from there.02:30
aantipopdo you see the description of the repositories ? they have a (universe) and a (multiverse), mark them02:30
LjLmake sure you also mark security and updates.02:30
LjLfor universe and multiverse, that is.02:30
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jerihow do i mark it?02:31
jeriright click enable?02:31
LjLOnce you have found these two line right click and select enable for both the deb and deb-src lines.02:32
LjLso the page says.02:32
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aantipopisnt there a little box, simply check/uncheck what you want02:33
LjLmooper: could this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/88431 be what you're experiencing?02:33
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jerigot it..then it's all set? click apply02:33
LjLaantipop: no i don't think there is in dapper02:33
LjLjeri, it's all explained with screenshot at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu#head-989a83f045256da43621a16c8927ef8e27233a2a why not just follow that02:33
aantipopLjL: ok, started with edgy, didnt know02:33
jerioh,ok thx for the help guys!02:34
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gydehow do I in the konsol show the mac of my wireless card?02:34
aantipopjeri: for mp3 playback you need to install libxine1-ffmpeg. just search this in adept02:34
LjLgyde: ifconfig should show the MACs02:35
LjLaantipop: no, that package doesn't exist for dapper.02:35
LjLit's libxine-extracodecs as far as i can remember.02:35
aantipopLjL: ok im out :P02:35
gydemy wireless card is not running a connection now02:36
gydeI need the mac for that ..02:36
gydeifconfig shows only open connection right?02:36
LjLgyde: try ifconfig -a02:36
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Jucatoer... I meant teat02:41
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geniiJucato: I would need more caffeine in me to make some smart remark at this point LOL02:41
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darwinofmindanyone know of something freeware I can use to resize my XP partition to install Ubuntu without losing the data i have,   I can't afford PM02:43
JucatoGParted (the Live CD)?02:43
aantipopwhere is ubuntu's boot.log ?02:43
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aantipopor doesnt it log the boot ?02:43
LjLdarwinofmind: keep in mind that the normal Ubuntu CD you install Ubuntu from *has* that functionality built into the installer.02:43
Jucatoaantipop: /var/log/boot ?02:44
LjL!gparted > darwinofmind    (darwinofmind, see the private message from Ubotu) otherwise, for finer control, here you are02:44
darwinofmindAh thank you... it didn't explicitly say it wouldn't lose data and I didn't want to risk it.02:44
Jucatoaantipop: although it tells me nothing has been logged02:44
Mr_Sonomadarwinofmind, i'd use the live cd but still back up any vital information on the windows partition you couldnt live without just incase things go bad, real bad....not saying it will but better safe than sorry.02:44
aantipopJucato: it contains a text: (nothing has been logged yet)02:44
LjLdarwinofmind, there certainly is an element of risk when resizing partitions. but it doesn't *intentionally* destroy data.02:44
Jucatoaantipop: which may be the reason that ksystemlog doesn't show anything02:45
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aantipopJucato: yup, but the reason it doesnt show anything for the kernel is that it isnt pointed to the kernel log file02:45
LjL /var/log/kern.log ?02:46
Jucatoaantipop: looks like it doesn't point to anything :)02:46
LjLaantipop: i think /var/log/boot simply shows any messages that were printed on the screen on boot. with usplash and everything, Ubuntu basically doesn't print anything now.02:46
darwinofmindWell thanks all...   Back off to windows to burn a few DVDs then I'll be back.   Have fun.02:46
aantipopJucato: only kern.0.log isnt mentioned in the config02:47
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LjLaantipop: remove the "quiet" from your kernel command line, and you should start having boot messages - and their log - again02:47
JucatoSettings -> Configure KSystemLog doesn't show me anything listed in the Kernel options at all02:48
aantipopLjL: i boot with text output, thats not the problem02:48
Jucato<LjL> aantipop: i think /var/log/boot simply shows any messages that were printed on the screen on boot. with usplash and everything, Ubuntu basically doesn't print anything now.02:48
aantipopJucato: yup, that needs to be fixed02:48
aantipopi boot without "quiet splash"02:48
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mooperLjL: - nope thats not it02:49
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mooperLjL: just all greyed out and not usable02:50
mooperIt asks me for password when I press Admin Mode button02:50
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LjLmooper: then file a bug on http://bugs.ubuntu.com02:52
LjLyou'll see, if you seach for "monitor display kde" or such, that there are quite a few bugs reported about that module02:53
LjLbut it doesn't seem to me that there is one that exactly matches your symptoms02:53
bigdaddyHey all, this may be blasphemy, but is there a way to turn kubuntu into ubuntu? I don't mean just installing GNOME either. I mean everything Ubuntu.02:53
LjLit won't hurt if you search too, of course, four eyes are better than two, and the developers don't appreciate duplicated bug reports02:53
LjLbigdaddy: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop    will get you all the GNOME stuff installed that there is on Ubuntu02:54
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LjLbigdaddy: the second part would be removing all the kubuntu-related stuff. you could do that with "sudo apt-get --purge autoremove kubuntu-desktop", but i cannot guarantee that'll really remove everything. anyway, MAKE VERY SURE it doesn't remove stuff you need before hitting 'Y'02:54
bigdaddyoops, will that uninstalleverything Kubuntu02:54
bigdaddystuff like what ?02:55
LjLbigdaddy: stuff like the kernel, say :)02:55
bigdaddyany KDE related apps?02:55
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bigdaddyOh...sh_t that would be bad02:55
LjLbigdaddy: it shouldn't do that, just a disclaimer.02:55
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LjLJucato: is that still valid for Feisty? that page has been around since Dapper02:56
bigdaddyhey Jucato, how you doing?02:56
Jucatohi bigdaddy02:56
LjLah yes it is, nevermind me02:56
bigdaddyLjL: I understand.02:56
bigdaddyI personally like KDE visually and I love that I can tweak so many things. But I am afraid that too many things are not working for me02:57
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LjLbigdaddy: i understand, although another option could be reporting bugs about them02:57
bigdaddyI have had much better luck working on my in-laws Ubuntu istallation02:57
LjLone of the reasons Kubuntu is less "polished" than Ubuntu is, i suspect, a smaller user base, and so fewer bug reports.02:57
bigdaddyI send the reports everytime they crash02:57
Jucatos/smaller user base/smaller developer base/02:58
LjLuhm, i don't have many things actually *crashing*02:58
bigdaddyOne thing that is a problem is my wife likes GNOME and we cannot "switch user".02:58
Jucatothe only thing I have crashing here is on gutsy.. strigi02:58
bigdaddyOh I have quite a few crashes02:58
LjLJucato: no, i meant smaller user base... sure, that is true just as well, but can't the former be as true?02:58
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LjLJucato: yeah, on gutsy it's another matter. strigi and kblueplugd at least.02:59
emilsedghJucato: what filetypes does strigi support on gutsy?02:59
JucatoLjL: how do we measure kubuntu user base? afaik we have quite a big one... but compared to ubuntu we're still smaller...02:59
Jucatoemilsedgh: all?02:59
Jucatosorry I barely (almost don't) use it at all02:59
Jucatoat this point, I trust locate:/ more :)02:59
emilsedghJucato: really? here it doesnt understant ogg/mpg and all media files02:59
bigdaddyHave any of you guys tried PC-BSD? That might be a competitor of Kubuntu02:59
LjLwell not all, it cannot understand binary files it doesn't have a module for i'd assume02:59
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Jucatoalmost every KDE distro that hits the news is touted as "an alternative to Kubuntu" :)03:00
emilsedghbigdaddy: there are hundreds of desktop disto's that are competeitor03:00
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Jucatoemilsedgh: it does. probably it hasn't indexed that far into your directorries03:00
bigdaddyyeah, butPC-BSD has been given some pretty rave reviews03:00
Jucatoof course it will03:01
emilsedghJucato: how could i tell him to do so?03:01
Jucatoemilsedgh: I don't know. it just indexes.. then crashes...03:01
Jucatoat least for me03:01
bigdaddyI will stick with the *buntu necause of the size of the support community though.03:01
emilsedghJucato: lol03:01
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LjLbigdaddy: it seems to have a *quite* different philosophy from Kubuntu (aside from, of course, being BSD based), as one can read from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC-BSD03:01
Jucatolike I said. I'm not a fan of strigi on kde303:01
LjLpackages that install using wizards? no, that's not a *competitor*, it's a different thing03:02
LjLJucato: what do you think of that wonderful idea of making the applet a tray icon instead? :)03:02
bigdaddyLjL: yes that is true. Another reason nt to switch. I was just curious if anone had tried it. I haeeeeeeenot tried any BSD before03:02
JucatoLjL: which applet?03:02
emilsedghJucato: exactly! strigi, only on kde4 ;)03:02
LjLbigdaddy: you have that kernel keyboard problem too?03:02
LjLJucato: strigi03:02
JucatoLjL: there already is one03:02
bigdaddyI am beginning to wonder03:02
Jucatospeaking of which...03:02
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LjLJucato: yeah, but the default one in Gutsy is a new applet that runs from the tray.03:03
bigdaddyThis keyboard is possesed03:03
LjLJucato: which, if you ask me, is a terrible idea. so much for "notification area".03:03
JucatoLjL: there are 2 types. a kicker applet, and a panel applet03:03
LjLJucato: erm? kicker *is* the panel03:03
Jucatoyou can have one or the other.. or both03:03
Jucatoer sorry03:03
Jucatosystem tray applet03:03
alHi can anybody Help Me with a networking Problem in kubuntu03:04
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LjLJucato: yeah but the default is the tray one. which didn't exist and was created specifically for Gutsy (the kicker applet is quite lousy to be honest). but, it makes no sense. the tray is *not* the place for applets.03:04
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alif this is the wrong channel please point me in the right direction ...03:05
LjLJucato: i guess they wanted to make something like Deskbar, with drop down menu and stuff. but Deskbar is an *applet*, not a hack that runs from the tray03:05
bigdaddyGah! Another crash!03:06
LjLthough for that matter, it seems that Deskbar now opens a *window* when clicked (argh) rather than a dropdown menu, so my GNOME-using acquaintances tell me03:06
LjLal: it's the right channel, just ask your question03:06
Jucatoyeah deskbar is a great thing imho03:06
Jucatoanyway, let's not get offtopic03:06
Jucatogo help al03:06
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bigdaddybbl - going to do a little work03:07
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alok THANKS  I have Upgraded my 7.04 approx a couple of weeks ago apt-get update /upgrade03:07
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alan I cannot now connect to my router03:08
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LjLal: wired router?03:08
alifconfig goves me a ipv6 eth0 network setup03:08
edulixanyone know how to install kickoff in kubuntu?03:08
ubotuKickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/233103:09
Jucatoedulix: look for a .deb package in kde-apps.org and install it03:09
alits on this pc ( I am in Win XP now ) The Network card is a inbuilt rtl 813903:09
LjLal: do you have network-manager installed?03:09
emilsedghoh i love the yakuake 2.8, how great is this application!03:09
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mooperHi, How do I configure X to use dual screens? I have an ATI sapphire x1650 pro03:10
ali had this before & I removed it found it on a  kubuntu help list03:10
LjL!dualhead | mooper03:10
LjLal: do you have the correct settings in /etc/network/interfaces?03:10
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ubotumooper: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama03:10
alI now have eth0:avahe that is Ipv6 & binds to a non existant IIp Range03:11
LjLal: avahi? how i hate it.03:11
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BluesKajHowdy all :)03:11
LjLal: make sure *ipv4* is configured correctly in /etc/network/interfaces, and perhaps you might want to disable ipv6 altogether03:11
ubotuTo disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv403:11
alfron what i remember its somthing like auto eth003:12
alits the sale as eth1 /2 /303:12
LjLshould be:03:13
LjLauto eth003:13
LjLiface eth0 inet dhcp03:13
LjLif your router provides DHCP, which i bet it does03:13
althat seems right03:13
hydrogenwhy does kmail suck so badly!03:13
BluesKajkmail rocks03:14
hydrogenexcept for the whole can't handle imap properly thing03:15
BluesKajwhat's sucking , hydrogen03:15
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hydrogenit's grown this new habit of uploading/downloading all unread messages from an imap server continually03:15
LjLal: this is *not* supported advice, but [whispers in ear]  you might also try to disable avahi-daemon altogether.03:15
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hydrogenas I'm trying to read them03:15
BluesKajoh, never had the pleasure of having to use imap03:15
alumbotu i set ipv6 off in the cinf file03:15
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LjLubotu is a bot03:15
ubotuYes, I can confirm that I am a bot. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots for all information.03:16
ali did a kill -9 on the pids for the avahi deamon03:16
BluesKajLjL, avahi-daemon ?03:16
aland then ifup eth003:17
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LjLhow's that my factoids always seem to have the effect of making people type strange acronyms that involve rolling on floors :P03:17
LjLBluesKaj: yeah, that obnoxious friend of network-manager and resolvconf.03:17
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alIan franticly trying to type quickly ( PLEASE Excuse the Bad Spelling (:-))03:17
LjLal: do ifdown eth0 and *then* ifup eth0 to make sure the settings are read from interfaces03:18
BluesKajLjL, ok ...thought it was something I should have done when disabling IPv603:19
ali think i tried that also whats the best way to kill /remove avahi03:19
alI also tried booting from the latest tribe 5 Cd  and it could not find the network03:20
LjLal: the way to stop it forever is to either remove the 'avahi-daemon' package (i think it's a recommend, so shouldn't remove kubuntu-desktop) or to use 'update-rc.d avahi-daemon remove'03:20
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BluesKajdisabling IPv6 sped up Konq somewhat , but it's still abit slow IMO , altho i plan on sticking with it anyway ... anyone find the same ?03:21
LjLi don't think i've noticed a difference here03:21
althanks i did not know about the update rc.d ...03:21
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BluesKajgenii, I upgraded to gutsy relatively easily ,only a couple of minor glitches03:28
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geniiBluesKaj: Cool :) Manage to save most of /home ?03:29
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BluesKajyes np. genii ...did a netinstall/upgrade03:30
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geniiSomeone here is yelling for me, work :(03:34
BluesKajgenii, the only thing that didn't work was the dev kernel version 2.6.22 ...wouldn't boot03:34
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BluesKajgenii , the reason is beyond my scope03:36
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geniiLooks like it may be a busy day at work...bleh03:54
BluesKajgenii, the only thing that didn't work was the dev kernel version 2.6.22 ...wouldn't boot03:54
geniiBluesKaj: Well, so long as the rest is stable03:55
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BluesKajyeah, seems to be03:55
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geniiI still need to do the latest round of updates, last one was this time last week. hope nothing breaks03:55
BluesKajhad over a hundred the last few days03:56
geniiI can't remember what kernel my gutsy box is on03:57
geniiTho i am having other issues motherboard related and not OS which are freezing my system03:57
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dthacker-workHi. I'm trying to access a web based tool to manage an HP Network Switch.  The tool required a Java Runtime Environment plugin to Firefox, so I installed sun-jre6 through adept.   FF still wants a plugin.  Is the FF plugin different than sun-jre6?04:05
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trappistdthacker-work: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin04:06
dthacker-worktrappist: will do.  tnx04:06
gnyffelIs it possible to transfer a hard drive with Kubuntu installed to another computer without reinstalling?04:07
trappistdthacker-work: found that out by doing 'apt-cache search java plugin'04:07
adlisyakirhow to run exe file in ubuntu..?04:07
trappistgnyffel: yes, but some things might take some effort to work correctly04:07
trappistadlisyakir: you would need to use wine for that04:07
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gnyffeltrappist: anything specific spring to mind?04:07
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trappistgnyffel: mostly your video card - if you have an nvidia card, and the new box has an ati card, you'll have a little work to do, for example04:08
gnyffeltrappist: I see what you mean. Purge nvidia-glx and install again, then? (new machine will have a nvidia card as well)04:08
trappistgnyffel: no, if both boxes have nvidia cards you should be ok there04:09
trappistthat is, don't do anything04:09
dthacker-worktrappist: it's working. thanks much.04:09
gnyffeltrappist: 'kay, thanks. No worries going to single to dual core?04:09
adlisyakirtrappist : how to use wine?04:10
trappistgnyffel: don't do anything :)  newer kernels (like the one you have) figure out SMP at boot-time04:10
trappistadlisyakir: that can get pretty involved.  step one is install it.04:10
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Jucatoadlisyakir: what program are you trying to run?04:11
gnyffeltrappist: I realised that it supported it, but I'll readily admit than I'm not too knowledgeable when it comes to the details of the boot process. Thanks for your help.04:11
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xenoldoes edgy tips aplies to feisty too?04:17
ubotuA general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents04:18
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EvilRoeyMy X is stuck at 99% CPU usage.04:33
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EvilRoeyI can't seem to do *anything* aside from moving the mouse cursor04:33
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NallemanHi, i have installed the w32codecs package but amarok still claims that mp3 is not supported. why?04:33
EvilRoeyI can't even switch to a different console04:33
emilsedghNalleman: libxine-extracodecs, do you have it?04:34
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Nallemanemilsedgh, probably not, i will check04:34
emilsedghNalleman: thats what you should install04:34
JucatoNalleman: because that's not the codec to play mp304:35
Jucatow32codecs is for window media04:35
EvilRoeyhello evil Jucato!04:35
BluesKajNalleman, or this latest one  libxine1-ffmpeg04:35
Jucatohello EvilRoey!04:35
EvilRoeyJucato: help!!!!04:35
Jucatowhat turned you evil today? )04:35
EvilRoeywell this X thing04:35
EvilRoeyso it's stuck at 99% CPU bandwidth04:35
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ghozalahay what is keyboard short cut to switch input language like alt+shift in windows04:35
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EvilRoeYJucato: and I can't seem to do anything aside from moving the mouse curosr04:36
EvilRoeY*at all*04:36
JucatoEvilRoeY: what seems to be the problem? can you guess what you're running that's causing it?04:36
EvilRoeYwell yeah, openoffice impress.04:36
NallemanBluesKaj, great04:36
EvilRoeYIt impressed me with how quickly my system froze solid.04:36
Nallemannow my computer rocks!04:36
EvilRoeYJucato: well, I killed Impress.04:36
EvilRoeYBut the problem remains.04:36
EvilRoeYI'm SSHing into the systemm now04:37
EvilRoeYthis works at least.04:37
ghozalahay what is keyboard short cut to switch input language like alt+shift in windows04:37
EvilRoeYNalleman: my computer /is/ a rock.04:37
EvilRoeYghozala: you can change it04:37
EvilRoeYright-click on the flag04:37
EvilRoeY(if you see a flag)04:37
Jucatoghozala: Ctrl+Shift+K is the default I believe04:37
NallemanEvilRoeY, hehe04:37
EvilRoeYbut back to my thing for a sec04:38
Jucatoghozala: you can change it in System Settings -> Keyboard and Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts04:38
EvilRoeYJucato: Why is X so screwy!!!!04:38
JucatoEvilRoeY: don't blame X, blame Impress heheh04:38
JucatoEvilRoeY: perhaps you can run top or ps to see the offending process(es)?04:38
Jucatosure it's not something more evil like compiz or beryl? :)04:39
EvilRoeYnot running compiz or beryl04:40
JucatoGoodRoeY :)04:40
EvilRoeYthey're evil as far as I'm concerned04:41
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Jucatoseen something offending?04:42
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BluesKajevil eyecandy - window dressing  all show and no go ?04:42
Jucatohm.. gtg... bbl...tc04:42
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Jucato!de | kruemel04:43
ubotukruemel: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de04:43
kruemelthanks :)04:44
BluesKajwas checking out Vista yesterday,....hated that auto finish/click thing ...hover too long on an app and opens04:44
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atlfalcons866can i install kubuntu on top of ubuntu04:46
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BluesKajatlfalcons866, install kubuntu-desktop04:49
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atlfalcons866will kbuntu 7.10 have apparmor or is that an ubuntu thing04:50
Nallemanhm. i know you are supposed to remove the top bar in amarok and make it a nifty little icon instead but i cant find out how to right now! help please.04:51
geniiYou can install any app which runs on Gnome, XFCE or KDE which has the same version underneath of the core ubuntu.04:51
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atlfalcons866so that means kbuntu and xubuntu have the ubntu core04:52
LjL!flavors | atlfalcons86604:52
ubotuatlfalcons866: !GTK and !Qt are !GUI toolkits (i.e. software libraries that draw buttons, textboxes, etc). !GNOME, !KDE, !Xfce and friends are "!desktop environments", which build on top of such libraries to provide a "consistent" desktop experience. !Kubuntu and !Xubuntu are simply flavors of Ubuntu that come with KDE and Xfce (respectively) installed as default, instead of GNOME. Other specialized flavors of Ubuntu include !Edubuntu04:52
LjL"yes". it's the very same distribution.04:53
atlfalcons866ok thanks04:53
atlfalcons866gnome is too simple04:53
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atlfalcons866could i remove gnome if i like kde04:54
xenolatlfalcons866:  sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop04:54
xenolis there any way i can look for packages name in konsole?04:54
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geniixenol: apt-cache search <name-or-part-of-name-here>04:56
xenolgenii: but aint it only packages i already dled?04:56
geniixenol: No04:56
xenolgenii: ty04:56
geniixenol: np04:57
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ScorpKinghi guys. does anyone here know how to use gestures with kde?05:04
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JucatoI know a bit... just a bit... only learned last week05:05
chnhello I cant paste anything to my ntfs disks can u help me?05:05
ubotuntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions05:06
geniiJucato: You win ;)05:06
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JucatoScorpKing: try if this helps: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3086781.005:06
ScorpKingthanks. checking...05:07
ScorpKingJucato: looks like that will work. ty :D05:08
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VSpikeFurther to my general bitching about default file associations, etc. I notice another odd one.  If I right click in Konq and select Actions -> Email file, it opens KMail, even though thunderbird is defined in KControl as my mail program05:09
VSpikeThe fact that this action has kmail's icon next to it might be a clue, but generally, that sucks05:09
JucatoVSpike: probably hardcoded into the service menu05:09
ScorpKingVSpike: you might have to edit the action to fix that.05:10
VSpikeJucato: do you know if customise that menu somehow?05:10
VSpikeScorpKing: same q to you too05:10
Jucato /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/05:10
ScorpKingor .kde/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/05:10
Jucatomight be. just guessing...05:11
Jucatolet me check05:11
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ScorpKingit's .desktop files. just edit them with kate05:11
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ScorpKingJucato: i think that's correct. there is one in the home dir as well.05:12
crazy_busI'm trying ssh with X forwarding.  I tried to run ksirtet, but I just got the message kbuildsycoca running... why is this?05:12
VSpikeJucato: that looks sort of right, except I can't spot the email action in there05:12
Jucatoyeah but can't see the service menu for mailing :)05:12
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JucatoVSpike, ScorpKing: found it.. it's a Kubuntu thing05:13
Jucatoin /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/email.desktop05:13
Jucatoit's hardcoded to use kmail05:13
ScorpKingi see. :)05:14
Jucatothe culprit: Exec=kmail --attach %F05:14
VSpikenice short path then05:14
VSpikenice work finding it :)05:15
Jucatothere are only 3 places to look for. so it wasn't that hard05:15
ScorpKingthe rest of the servicemenus shows up in /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/05:15
Jucato /usr/share <-- system wide, non-distro specific, KDE defaults (mostly)05:15
Jucato /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings <-- as the name suggests05:15
Jucato ~/.kde/share/ <-- user-specific05:15
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VSpikeScorpKing: I must get used to using it - i always reach for find05:16
geniiHoly long pathname Batman05:16
ScorpKinglol. i don't have the ~ key on my keyboard. :(05:16
JucatoScorpKing: er? O.o05:16
VSpikeJucato: thanks .. useful to know, must try and fix that into brain somewhere .. i'll use the slots currently occupried by "c:\documents and settings\all users\send to"05:17
Jucatoshould still be there05:17
Jucatounless you have a different keyboard layout.. like dvorak or something05:17
VSpikeI wonder how I could make it use the currently set default email client? :)05:17
ScorpKingVSpike: service menus are very usefull. take a look on kde-apps.org for more. :)05:18
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ScorpKingJucato: well, it shows here but it's the | key if i press it. not sure how to fix that. i did try a few layouts including dvorak but no luck.05:19
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timbbaAnyone having issues on suspend and wakeup that usb devices doesn't work unless taking out and putting back? Any ideas how to fix it?05:20
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ScorpKinganyway, have to go. bbl05:21
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timbbaI think this usb suspend/wakeup in feisty is common bug, so anyone has it fixed and a good hack to share? :)05:23
VSpikecat ~/.kde/share/config/emaildefaults | grep EmailClient | cut -f 2 --delim =05:23
VSpikethat gives you the default email client05:23
VSpikeSo I guess I just need to write that into a script and call that from the service menu05:23
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trappisthrm.  my email client isn't listed in that file.05:25
timbbaok, raise your hand if you use suspend and the usbs works after that :)...05:26
VSpiketrappist: perhaps if you don't change it, it leaves it empty and defaults to kmail?05:26
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trappistVSpike: that would make sense05:26
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winbondis OSX based on bsd?05:26
trappistwinbond: wrong channel05:26
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winbondlooks like a right channel to me05:27
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Jucatowinbond: this is a channel for Kubuntu support. not for BSD, and definitely not for OSX05:28
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evpcmerhaba arkadaslar05:28
jaborhi folks, i am with some doubts about the instalation of kubuntu 7.04, can anyone help me05:29
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BluesKajjabor , what doubts ?05:32
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jaborwhen I click at the "install" icon on the desktop the instalation not even begin05:33
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trappistjabor: have you tried double-clicking it?05:33
jabor(i sorry about my poor english, i'm from Brazil)05:33
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trappist!pt | jabor05:33
ubotujabor: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.05:33
trappistjabor: you could try there if it's more comfortable05:33
jaborno problem05:34
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jabori have some dificulties to whrite05:34
jaborbus it's ok to read05:34
trappistI understand :)05:34
jabori've double clicked a few times already05:34
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VSpikeBah... all very well, except that thunderbird and kmail dont understand the same command line options05:35
Jucatoof course they don't :)05:35
trappistVSpike: write a wrapper script05:35
VSpiketrappist: I did - i think it just needs to be more clever than it is already05:35
VSpikewhich is not very05:35
jaborman, i'm very disapointed with this problem05:36
VSpiketrappist: http://pastebin.com/d90b4ae705:36
trappistjabor: I've never seen that problem05:36
jabori've being using Kurumin Linux (Brazilian distro) since 200405:36
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jaborand now that i tried to experiment a diferent one that problem happends05:37
jaborthere's some way to install in text mode?05:37
pag!alternate | jabor05:39
ubotujabor: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal05:39
VSpikeahhh no need.. someone already did it05:39
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jabori'm using the live cd05:40
xenolis superkaramba stable udner feisty?05:40
trappistVSpike: I once tried to reimplement grep in perl, just so I could use pcre regular expressions, until somebody said "why not just use pcregrep"05:41
pagxenol, it's stable over here... so yes, I'd say it is stable05:41
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VSpiketrappist: lol05:42
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xenolpag: what can u do with karamba? does it have any advantages?05:42
VSpiketrappist: aw sheesh.. you can't use xdg-email unless you have an address, I think05:42
trappistVSpike: I missed the beginning of all this - what are you trying to do?05:42
acomacowhat is that beryl addon making your "icons" "loose"? Like you can drag and drop them etc..?05:43
pagxenol, it gives you widgets on desktop - personally I think they're pretty, and some are even useful05:43
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acomacoand they fall right into place?05:43
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VSpiketrappist: the service menu in konqueror for emailing a file does not respect the currently chosen email client in KDE - it's hard coded to kmail.  I could just update it to use my current client (Thunderbird) but in the interest of increasing my learning, I was wondering if I could make it Do The Right Thing05:45
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trappistVSpike: the way to do that would be to apt-get source konqueror, try to find in the source where it's hard-coded, and fix that05:46
trappistVSpike: now me, I'm not very handy with C++, but there's a decent chance that if I could find the problem, I could fix it with some trial and error and some googling05:47
VSpiketrappist: oh, it's not that bad - it's a .desktop file05:47
VSpiketrappist: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/email.desktop05:48
trappistI hate that open source browsers want to use their companion MUAs and hardly ever have a config option or respect an environment variable05:48
ubotusuperkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org05:49
xenolis superkaramba useful?05:49
trappistso that .desktop file could call a wrapper script and send the right options to whatever MUAs are supported by your script05:49
VSpikethat's really annoying - xdg-email is close to what I need05:49
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VSpiketrappist: yeah, I could do that - just switch based on the agent selected, and support whichever one's i'm interested in supporting05:50
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VSpiketrappist: it's a shame there's nothing like MAPI available here05:51
VSpikealthough mapi is not great, but it does work05:51
VSpikethanks for the help everyone - gotta go afk for a while05:52
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RonMetalalguien me puede ayudar???06:31
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ubotuSi busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.06:32
acee1234: installing ubuntu from the live disk crashes the x server. i've gone throught the fix once but the link was lost in a format something about changing the xorg.conf file. Any suggestions?06:33
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budgieboyanyone here?06:43
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budgieboyI guess when I need help, this isn't the place to go since no one is here!06:44
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budgieboyI need help!06:44
budgieboyscrew this...06:45
xenol!ask | budgieboy06:46
ubotubudgieboy: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)06:46
geniiKids these days all seem to have ADD06:47
VSpikewow .. deja vu06:48
budgieboyI have used suse and ubuntu linux and I got this today, where do I go to get games from online?06:48
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stdin!games | budgieboy06:48
ubotubudgieboy: Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php06:48
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VSpikethanks genii06:48
geniiVSpike: Anytime06:49
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budgieboyIt's just that on ubuntu you can just use the installer and away you go...06:49
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atlfalcons866how do i delete ubuntu06:50
geniiInstall some other OS06:51
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stdinor just format over it06:51
xenolatlfalcons866:  http://support.microsoft.com/kb/24780406:51
SlimeyPeteatlfalcons866: you use another OS' installer, or a partitioner, to remove the partition (you'll need to overwrite the bootmanager too if your new OS doesn't do that automatically)06:51
atlfalcons866not delete ubuntu delete gnome i installed kde06:51
ubotuWant to remove gnome/kde/xfce completely? Look at debfoster, it's a great help06:52
xenolatlfalcons866: sudo apt-get re move ubuntu-desktop06:52
SlimeyPeteuse Adetsynaptic/aptitude to remove ubunt-desktop06:52
atlfalcons866isnt it better to use apitiude06:52
xenolatlfalcons866: sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop-06:52
stdinatlfalcons866: or see http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde06:52
SlimeyPetedoesn't make a huge amount of difference. Aptitude's a bit cleverer, but apt-get should work fine.06:52
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budgieboy_oh no! My file download disaperared!06:53
budgieboy_lol sorry for my english06:54
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atlfalcons866i get ubuntu-desktop is not installed06:54
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xenolatlfalcons866:  u installed  from kubuntu or ubuntu cd?06:55
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atlfalcons866i installed from ubuntu cd then installed kubuntu06:55
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jpatrickatlfalcons866: you have to remove libgtk2.0-common I think06:57
budgieboy_I don't know how to get this game installed "http://www.frozen-bubble.org/downloads/"06:57
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jpatrickbudgieboy: "sudo apt-get install frozen-bubble" in the console06:57
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SlimG2Is there a KDE based MySQL management tool?06:58
jpatrickSlimG2: apt-cache search for "kde sql"06:58
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stdin!info kmysqladmin06:59
ubotukmysqladmin: Kde graphical frontend for mysql servers. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.2-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 917 kB, installed size 2024 kB06:59
budgieboy_Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?06:59
ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 06:59
karoljest ktos z polski06:59
geniiIf you have on the same box a standard type LAMP install you may like also phpmyadmin06:59
SlimG2thanks stdin !06:59
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stdinbudgieboyand make sire adept/synaptic is closes06:59
stdin!pl | karol06:59
ubotukarol: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl06:59
karolthank you07:00
xenolstdin: can u tell me how can i enter adrministrator mode in system settings when i dont have that option there for setting i need? :/07:00
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budgieboy_Couldn't find package frozen-bubble, Should I put in on the desktop?07:00
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stdinxenol: close it, press Alt-F2 and run "kdesu systemsettings" ;)07:00
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stdinmake sure you have universe enabled07:01
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu07:01
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atlfalcons866what is bigger gnome or kde in size07:02
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xenolanyone here using superkaramba?07:03
stdindepends what you call "KDE" and "Gnome". stripped to the core both are just libs07:03
atlfalcons866linus torvalds dosent like gnome07:04
budgieboy_ok now I bam totally confused07:04
jpatrickatlfalcons866: everyone has an opinion07:04
geniiatlfalcons866: KDE tends to come with more applications installed07:05
budgieboy_I just need to install games, Is there a way to make them show up on the add/remove like on ubuntu?07:05
SlimG2When running kmysqladmin from konsole It doesn't start, it only echoes "kmysqladmin: cannot connect to X server", anyone knoiw why/howto fix?07:05
atlfalcons866this is what he says about gnome07:05
atlfalcons866"This 'users are idiots, and are confused by functionality' mentality of Gnome is a disease. If you think your users are idiots, only idiots will use it. I don't use Gnome, because in striving to be simple, it has long since reached the point where it simply doesn't do what I need it to do."07:05
stdinSlimG2: run it as your user? Alt-F2 is the best place to run it from07:06
stdin!ot | atlfalcons86607:06
ubotuatlfalcons866: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!07:06
jpatrickatlfalcons866: we know, we went though that ages ago07:06
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budgieboy_I can't install ym game :(07:06
atlfalcons866o sorry07:07
geniibudgieboy_: If you add the repositories where the games are into the sources.list file you will see them in the package manager add/remove section07:07
budgieboy_but It woudn't add it07:07
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geniibudgieboy_: For changing system-type files you need to run the editor with admin rights.eg something like:    kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list07:08
geniiYou may also need after to ad the gpg key07:09
SlimG2stdin: Sorry for bothering you, I've (again) kept a konsole open where I07:09
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SlimG2stdin: 've sshed into another computer07:09
budgieboy_I took ages to figure out ubuntu and I got the hang of it but I wanted it easy and apperently kubuntu was but it's not ;(07:09
stdinSlimG2: you want to use the GUI over ssh?07:09
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atlfalcons866is it too late to get kubuntu cds from shipit07:11
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stdinatlfalcons866: until the gutsy release07:11
geniibudgieboy_: In ubuntu or kubuntu doesn't matter, editing these files is the same. In ubuntu is gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list    in kubuntu is kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list07:11
atlfalcons866so im stuck with gnome then07:11
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atlfalcons866gnome cds07:11
geniiAlways needs some form of admin rights07:11
SlimG2stdin: Not at all, I accidentaly used a open konsole windows that was connected to another computer over ssh, so I installed and tried to run kmysqladmin on the other computer :P You can go ahead and laugh at me now :)07:11
budgieboy_ye but in ubuntu you can add the games from the add remove automatically07:12
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atlfalcons866is firefox included with kubuntu07:12
budgieboy_instead of going to some website and doing stupid things07:12
geniibudgieboy_: Only if the repositories the games are in are in your sources.list file. there is no difference in that way07:12
stdinSlimG2: you're not the only person to ever do that :)07:13
stdinatlfalcons866: no, not by default07:13
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geniibudgieboy_: If the games you are trying to install are from some website, in ubunto or kubuntu it would be the same.07:14
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budgieboy_I have to compile the package, I'm usless at doing that, I can find a installer :(07:14
geniiI need a typing tutor today ;)07:14
emilsedghif anyone wants to have a package for something, just tell me (if the program isnt huge, im on slow connection) (and i will __TRY__ to do so)07:15
atlfalcons866my sister has an older computer with any os07:16
SlimG2stdin: additionally It's not the first time either, also managed to install a KDE-app along with all the KDE dependencies onto a nogui-server, on the bright side: the server now looks incredibly good ;)07:16
atlfalcons866will 256mb ram work on kubuntu07:16
geniiatlfalcons866: yes07:16
Tm_Tatlfalcons866: does work07:16
stdinemilsedgh: nah, I'll use launchpad to do that for me ;)07:16
emilsedghatlfalcons866: yes it will07:16
geniiatlfalcons866: I am running a Kubuntu Feisty box here with 128Mb07:16
emilsedghstdin: to do what?!07:16
emilsedghstdin: launchpad creates packages?! :D07:17
atlfalcons866genii: how fasts the processor07:17
stdinSlimG2: I've done that (well, not kde). installed an app with apt-get and tried running it only to find I installed it on another system :p07:17
geniiatlfalcons866: Pentium 2 400Mhz07:17
atlfalcons866my sister has a p3 866Mhz07:17
budgieboy_aww it's going at 472.9kb/s thats really slow :P07:17
budgieboy_Im getting wormux07:18
atlfalcons866my computer is pentium 3 933Mhz07:18
stdinemilsedgh: there's a feature in launchpad beta called PPA (Personal Package Archive), let's you have a repo, just like archive.ubuntu.com07:18
SlimG2stdin: hehe07:18
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emilsedghstdin: nice, but i dont want to create a repository, just learning how-to create packages, i created a package for kirocker and yakuake, if i find more things, i will try to create more packages07:19
SlimG2emilsedgh: #ubuntu-motu07:19
stdinemilsedgh: well you learn how to create good packages with it, as it builds it like the ubuntu packages, in a chroot07:19
geniiatlfalcons866: This box is very laggy when the apps are loading up but after everything is up and going it's surprisingly fast07:20
emilsedghSlimG2: im not yet experienced to be a motu ;)07:20
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emilsedghstdin: hm, im browsing it07:20
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atlfalcons866what does the kde package install07:21
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SlimG2emilsedgh: You'll still be able to receive help there and links to good tutorials07:21
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emilsedghyou are right, thanks, SlimG207:21
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stdinatlfalcons866: it's a meta-package, it just depends on other packages07:22
SlimG2emilsedgh: there's also a tutorial on the official wiki under developement07:22
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plbjust gave kubuntu gutsy a try and noticed clicking K menu gives a nice little special effect...where exactly is the option for that?07:22
emilsedghSlimG2: I read many tutoria;s07:22
geniibudgieboy_: when i do: apt-cache search wormux on my computer it shows it available to install, "wormux - funny fight game on 2D maps"  I don't know why you are downloading or trying to compile it07:22
SlimG2emilsedgh: did you read the one on the wiki? it's good07:22
habbledhey, does anyone know how format a usb hard drive on kubuntu?07:22
stdinemilsedgh: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html is a good one to start with07:22
budgieboy_now I cant install wormux!07:22
SlimG2^ That's the one07:23
Dr_willis!info wormux07:23
ubotuwormux: funny fight game on 2D maps. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.9-3 (feisty), package size 479 kB, installed size 1384 kB07:23
emilsedghthanks guys07:23
angasuleahoy, is there a graphical front end for at (or cron)? kcron is worse than using straight cron so it doesn't count07:23
atlfalcons866habbled: i think you can use gparted07:23
stdinbudgieboy_: have you enabled the repositories?07:23
geniiDr_willis: Yup07:24
budgieboy_I don't know, infact my head is actually hurting!07:24
atlfalcons866habbled: do sudo apt-get install gparted07:24
budgieboy_I've got a headache07:24
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budgieboy_what reposotories?07:24
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stdinbudgieboy_: look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu07:25
geniistdin: Thx07:26
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budgieboy_I need to go, BRB07:26
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budgieboy_and if this doesn't work I might aswell install ubuntu, waiting 6 weeks for this free cd was pointless07:26
Tm_Tbudgieboy_: and how "installing ubuntu" would solve your problem?07:27
gigahi all07:28
gigacan somone help me?07:28
ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)07:28
gigaI'm searching for Mark Shuttleworth07:28
Tm_Tgiga: for?07:28
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stdinlook in space, he's always there07:28
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gigaI do not know his NickName07:29
ubotuMark "sabdfl" Shuttleworth is our favourite cosmonaut, the founder of Canonical and the primary driver behind Ubuntu. You can find pieces of his thinking at http://www.markshuttleworth.com07:29
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budgieboy_Im back07:29
Tm_Tstdin: bah, I was so pasting that url already07:29
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giga:) Thanks a lot:)07:29
stdinhe's normally in #ubuntu-devel and #launchpad too07:29
budgieboy_I'm used to ubuntu thats why it would solve my problem07:29
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gigathats my first time in IRC07:30
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gigaoh I see07:30
emilsedghanyone knows what he did that he becomes the first patron of kde?07:30
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stdingave them a ton of money :)07:30
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gigado you know about Deer Leap Foundation?07:31
budgieboy_oh great, I've broken the repositories thing07:31
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budgieboy_The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in a terminal as root and see if it helps to resolve the problem.07:31
geniibudgieboy_: I think you should run:   sudo apt-get update07:32
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budgieboy_Type /home/budgieboy/home/budgieboy is not known on line 44 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list07:32
geniiWell, there's a likely source of problems07:33
plbAnyone know where the special effects option for K-menu in gutsy is?07:33
budgieboy_maybe someone can use desktop sharing to install my games?07:33
stdinplb: you could ask in #ubuntu+107:33
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budgieboy_could someone do desktop sharing with me and fix it :(07:34
geniibudgieboy_: You need to reopen the file. By:   kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list          then remove any line which does not begin with a # or the word deb or deb-src    then save the file again, and reissue:   sudo apt-get update07:34
budgieboy_what file?07:35
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budgieboy_Host: Pass:rqZB-qdf07:36
budgieboy_thats to connect to my desktop07:36
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geniibudgieboy_: Please. Pay attention.07:36
budgieboy_But I don't know what to do!07:36
geniibudgieboy_: do:        kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list07:36
geniibudgieboy_: in a konsole07:37
budgieboy_now what...07:37
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pagbudgieboy_, as said three minutes ago: "then remove any line which does not begin with a # or the word deb or deb-src    then save the file again, and reissue:   sudo apt-get update "07:38
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geniibudgieboy_: After that file opens... remove any line which does not begin with a # or the word deb or the word deb-src07:38
geniipag: Thanks07:38
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budgieboy_I have bad memory, I should have told you that >.>07:39
budgieboy_Type ok is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list07:39
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geniibudgieboy_: "ok" does not begin with a # or deb or deb-src              please repeat steps07:40
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budgieboy_I found it!07:41
budgieboy_little bugger sneaked up on the first line07:41
budgieboy_I guess that why it said "line 1"07:42
budgieboy_Malformed line 43 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)07:42
geniibudgieboy_: Likely you typed in there when you intended to type in irc instead.07:42
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winbondis the a image converter for linux (is in iso converter)07:42
budgieboy_or I was tping to myself >.>07:42
stdin!iso | winbond07:42
ubotuwinbond: To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.07:42
geniibudgieboy_: OK you should know the step now to edit it. Open and put a # at beginning of that problemmatic line07:43
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geniibudgieboy_: line 43.07:44
winbondstdin, anything else? i need to convert dmg to iso07:44
budgieboy_line 43 has dep infront of it, I thought that was ok?07:45
budgieboy_deb I mean07:45
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geniibudgieboy_: If a line in that file does not start with # or deb or deb-src   it will cause an error07:45
budgieboy_this has deb-src07:45
geniibudgieboy_: Do you know how to use the pastebin website?07:45
budgieboy_I remember that07:46
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budgieboy_can't remember the address though07:46
stdinwinbond: hmm, is .dmg the mac format?07:46
geniibudgieboy_: OK good. Use the pastebin to copy in there the contents of your entire file we are diting.07:46
winbondstdin, yup07:46
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)07:46
geniibudgieboy_: line 43 nees a second part to the line saying what part of the repository and what distribution of ubuntu07:47
stdinwinbond: iirc those are just files formatted with HFS, you _should_ be able to mount them and the create an iso from that07:47
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geniibudgieboy_: OK, reading07:48
winbondstdin, mount it with a mount command?07:48
stdinwinbond: yeah, like you'd mount an ISO07:48
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winbondstdin, ok , will try , thanks07:48
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budgieboy_I still remember installing beryl on ubuntu,that was easy07:49
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geniibudgieboy_: Add to the end of that line the word multiverse    just as in the line above07:49
atlfalcons866how can i change 1 click to double click07:49
budgieboy_I knew it!07:49
budgieboy_silly me07:50
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budgieboy_alformed line 43 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)07:50
budgieboy_What now :(07:50
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geniibudgieboy_: While you are in there remove the # from start of lines 35 and 3607:51
Dr_willismalformed line - typo allert. :)07:51
budgieboy_done and done!07:51
stdinatlfalcons866: system settings > keyboard & mouse > mouse07:51
geniibudgieboy_: OK, now save it07:51
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budgieboy_still get the eror07:51
geniibudgieboy_: About line 43 ?07:52
Admiral_Chicagobudgieboy_: after you save do you do sudo apt-get update?07:52
Admiral_Chicagobudgieboy_: what does that one line say?07:52
budgieboy_Malformed line 43 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)07:52
Admiral_Chicagopaste only that line in the channel07:52
Admiral_Chicagono what does like 43 tell you07:53
geniiAdmiral_Chicago: It was missing the repo part (multiverse) at end07:53
budgieboy_No  shit sherlock, I'm not that stupid :p07:53
Admiral_Chicagoin your sources.list07:53
geniiAdmiral_Chicago: The link is in here07:53
stdin!language | budgieboy_07:53
ubotubudgieboy_: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.07:53
budgieboy_deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security07:53
Admiral_ChicagoI just got here genii07:53
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StiloCan anybody help me with this patch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xgl/+bug/11374207:54
budgieboy_all this just to install two games >:(07:54
Admiral_Chicagowell I get unknown host error for that line.07:54
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ompaulbudgieboy_, and that line is incomplete it needs a word after it - main restricted universe multiverse   -- mostly you must have altered them cos they  are there by default in a default install ...07:55
atlfalcons866will kde4 be in 7.1007:55
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Admiral_Chicagoatlfalcons866: no07:55
Admiral_Chicagoit won't be released until december, after 7.10 is released07:55
W8TAHhow stable is gusty beta?07:55
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atlfalcons866its gutsy07:55
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Admiral_ChicagoStilo: what do you want to do with the patch?07:56
stdinW8TAH: It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+107:56
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geniibudgieboy_: did:  sudo apt-get update         succeed?07:56
budgieboy_ok, how to install the games?07:56
W8TAHstdin: cool enough07:56
simon__hi all07:56
budgieboy_I still need to install the games07:56
geniibudgieboy_: good. Now you can install wormux or any other game which is in the repositories by your package manager (Adept)07:57
StiloAdmiral_Chicago: I have the problem described in the bug description.07:57
Admiral_ChicagoStilo: what release are you on?07:57
budgieboy_all the games show in the list!07:57
budgieboy_just like on ubuntu07:58
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Stilowhere can i look for that?07:58
geniibudgieboy_: enjoy07:58
Admiral_ChicagoStilo: looks like the fix will be in Gutsy07:58
budgieboy_Also, does beryl run on this?07:58
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devianceCan someone tell me how to group two windows in compiz?07:59
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Daisuke_Laptopwell good morning people07:59
Admiral_Chicagowait no, Stilo i lied.  It looks like the fix is available now.  "Fix released" means a fix is available, but O, mpt sire wjere07:59
Daisuke_Laptopdeviance: make sure it's enabled in ccsm and use the binding it shows07:59
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stdinAdmiral_Chicago: looks like it was applied and released08:00
devianceAh ok08:00
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Daisuke_Laptopusually involves selecting both windows and doing something, i only played with it once...08:00
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Admiral_Chicagostdin: where was it released is my question?  That was for September, unless its in feisty-updates...08:00
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StiloMy version of xserver-xgl is ~git.20070224-0ubuntu308:01
budgieboy_oh got my bladder is gonna pop!08:01
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stdinAdmiral_Chicago: it was filed against a gutsy version, and the fix was released in gutsy08:02
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StiloWhat can i do?08:02
Admiral_Chicagostdin: that can't be because gutsy isn'08:02
stdinhold on...08:03
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Admiral_Chicagoisn't released.  the appropriate state would be fix commited if its in gutsy08:03
Stiloyes the other chan says its fixed in gutsy08:03
Admiral_Chicagoit will be in gutsy according to packages.ubuntu.com08:03
stdinok, it was marked as fix-release because the latest gutsy package already had the fix, it's not in feisty it seems08:04
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budgieboy_does beryl run on kubuntu?08:04
Admiral_ChicagoStilo: the answer to your question is wait for gutsy to come out or upgrade to the beta if you're feelin adventerous08:04
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budgieboy_yay frozen bubble 2 B******08:05
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Stilookay.. thanks08:05
emilsedghbudgieboy_: i am addicted to frozen bubble :(08:05
stdinbudgieboy_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnFeisty08:05
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budgieboy_I know how to install it08:06
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buz_i'm trying to get rid of flashplugin, but somehow, gnash wont start playing on youtube?08:06
buz_(in gutsy)08:06
budgieboy_i was just wondering08:06
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stdinbuz_: don't think gnash can play youtube08:06
LjLare you sure gnash *can* work with youtube at all?08:06
buz_it says it should work08:06
LjLi *think* swfdec can do youtube08:06
buz_it displays the player, but then doesnt start playing it08:06
LjLbuz_: where?08:06
buz_gimme a sec to find the page in the history08:07
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budgieboy_I lost08:07
budgieboy_on internet08:07
buz_but i dont get any query to install any codecs08:08
stdinare you on gutsy?08:08
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LjLthen, for starters, you should be asking in #ubuntu+1...08:08
buz_yeah but support for kubuntu is scarce there08:08
buz_then again, it doesnt work in firefox either ;)08:09
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buz_so maybe i should go ask there ;)08:09
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budgieboy_lost again!08:09
budgieboy_yay I won08:11
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budgieboy_and again08:12
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stdinbudgieboy_: what are you doing?08:12
Daisuke_Laptopi knew there was a reason i installed elinks on the desktop machine08:13
aco_how to call the "volyme manager" ?08:13
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stdinwhat is "volyme manager" ?08:14
nosrednaekimvolume manager?08:14
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aco_hmm the thing that you can adjust volyme in kubuntu08:14
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devianceHmm, all my window decoration shows up, except for OpenOffice's, any ideas why?08:16
nosrednaekimdeviance: compiz?08:16
nosrednaekimdeviance: indeed, same for me08:17
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devianceHmm, I wish I could atleast resize it :)08:17
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nosrednaekimdeviance: press "alt" and drag the mouse..08:17
nosrednaekimI think that resizes08:17
stdinthat's move isn't it08:17
devianceThats move08:17
ghozalaanybody help me plz i ve dowloaded a linux style file with .zip extention how can i apply this style08:18
devianceBut I cant move it either08:18
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nosrednaekimhmmm there is another one....08:18
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VSpikedeviance: does open office show full screen?08:19
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budgieboy_AHAH! he left!08:19
VSpikedeviance: I had that problem and it was caused by a compatibility setting08:19
budgieboy_I won ^^ 5 408:19
nosrednaekimVSpike: yeah.08:19
devianceVSpike: Any ideas which one?08:20
devianceOr was it Compiz or Emeralds fault?08:20
VSpikenosrednaekim: turn off Utility->Workarounds->Legacy Fullscreen Support08:20
ghozalahay what is keyboard short cut to switch input language like alt+shift in windows08:20
ghozalaanybody help me plz i ve dowloaded a linux style file with .zip extention how can i apply this style08:20
xenolcan someone tell me some good karamba themes that r useful?08:21
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nosrednaekimVSpike: i'll try that when I go back into compiz08:21
nosrednaekimxenol: I like the Ipod amarok controller08:21
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VSpikenosrednaekim: I turned it on in an attempt to make kscreensaver behave, but it didn't help and it made open office show fullscreen with no decoration08:21
xenolnosrednaekim: which one? nano or shuffle?08:21
bsundsrudanyone ever have luck trying to get a refund for windows on a recently purchased computer?08:21
VSpikeI wasn't using emerald so it must be a compiz problem08:22
nosrednaekimxenol: it has different skins08:22
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xenolnosrednaekim: anything other?08:22
nosrednaekimVSpike: humm, so this setting is in CCSM?08:22
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VSpikenosrednaekim: yep08:22
nosrednaekimxenol: been a while since I used it.08:22
devianceVSpike: Does your screensaver only show in a corner?08:22
VSpikedeviance: yeah :/08:23
VSpikedeviance: mostly08:23
xenolnosrednaekim: anything other u can advise?08:23
devianceIt does unless I lock the PC myself08:23
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VSpikedeviance: sometimes it covers everything apart from the kicker, and occasionally it even works right08:23
nosrednaekimxenol: other than have plenty of extra RAM? no.08:23
devianceAny work arround for that VSpike08:23
geniibsundsrud: I managed to get $60 back for a customer on a machine, we had to bring it in and they low level formatted the HD which had some oem install on a separate partition.08:23
nosrednaekimdeviance: got the same problem...lol08:23
VSpikedeviance: interesting - i noticed that using test from the screensaver setup always works fine08:23
xenolnosrednaekim: 1gb ram to go =] 08:23
devianceTry ctrl-alt-l08:23
devianceIt locks it, and that works fine for me08:24
nosrednaekimdeviance: that would be ctrl+shift+alt+l ;)08:24
VSpikedeviance: Nope - the setting I just mentioned was suggested as a fix somewhere, and it didnt work for me08:24
bsundsrudgenii: interesting, i just talked to a few different HP guys and they said they "can't". Under any circumstances08:24
ghozalahelp!!!!! how can i install new themes08:24
VSpikeghozala: where did you download the theme from?08:24
devianceThanks for the tip on the open office, it works fine now08:24
VSpikeghozala: what is it a theme for08:24
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VSpikedeviance: no probs :)08:24
bsundsrudghozala: it looks like all of those are for windows08:25
bsundsrudoh wait08:25
ghozalathen any body have any idea where i can get styles for linux and how i can install them08:26
bsundsrudkde-look.org has a bunch08:26
bsundsrudunder themes/styles and window decorations08:27
VSpikeghozala: those are probably styles for gnome.. if you are running kde (which i assume you are) then go to the site bsundsrud said08:27
geniibsundsrud: This was an Acer system08:27
bsundsrudgenii: direct from acer, or through a retail outlet?08:27
ghozalaya i am on kde08:27
geniibsundsrud: Through Best buy08:28
ghozalathanks bsundsrud08:28
bsundsrudghozala: i believe the install instructions are there, or at least with the theme08:28
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bsundsrudgenii: yeah, thought so.  It's gonna be hard to get them to do it since i got it direct from HP08:28
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bsundsrudah well whatever.  maybe i'll just shrink vista to 20G just so the license doesnt go to waste08:29
geniibsundsrud: Yeah not a bad idea08:29
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nosrednaekimbsundsrud: thats what I did.08:30
budgieboy_I have vista and xp08:30
budgieboy_and linux08:30
budgieboy_and 9808:30
bsundsrudhaha but whats the size of the vista base OS? isnt it something like 10G itself?08:30
VSpikedeviance: one fix I haven't tried yet would be to try switching to xscreensaver instead.  I seem to remember that it lacks the "switch user" option though, which I need08:30
budgieboy_mine is08:30
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devianceI'm not sure08:30
bsundsrudmaybe after i cut out the HP added bloat08:30
devianceDoes it support the Open GL screen savers?08:30
VSpikedeviance: someone else also suggested using the compiz screensaver plugin (which I think you have to compile probably) but that lacks password locking08:31
bsundsrudah well, the laptop itself is awesome, all stuff thats supported in linux08:31
VSpikedeviance: yep, it supports most of the same set as kscreensaver08:31
devianceVSpike: I need the password protecting08:31
devianceAlthough, i have noticed, my screensaver has a slightly lower opactiy with CF running08:31
VSpikedeviance: there are lots of articles around about switching kde to using xscreensaver - i did it myself under edgy because kscreensaver just wouldn't work for me08:32
VSpikedeviance: yeah, same here08:32
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devianceI also like Kdestop as you need it for the snow :P08:32
bsundsrudbudgieboy_: is that vista footprint with home basic? or which version?08:32
devianceBut it means I only get a single wallpaper08:32
bsundsrudok then08:33
bsundsrudgetting home premium on mine (lowest option)08:33
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budgieboy_I'm not sure the size, I think the windows folder was 5gb08:33
VSpikedeviance: also see the fourth post on this page http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?p=2475508:33
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bsundsrudwhat partition size did you give it?08:33
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VSpikedeviance: I've not tried that either - looks like you may need to tweak depending on which saver you use08:33
peter_ can anyone tell me how to install this driver... gspcav1-20070508.ebuild...or any webcam driver for that matter?08:33
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bsundsrudi was under the assumption that webcam drivers came built in as part of the V4L stuff in the kernel...08:34
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VSpikedeviance: if you want to switch to xscreensaver, look at http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/man1.html and search for KDE08:34
budgieboy_can anyone recomend me desktop enviroments and stuff, like in suse linux in wich you get little tuxes that go around the screen like that classic game "whatever  it's called"08:35
peter_yea but not all webcams are supported08:35
devianceI take a look :D08:35
xenolplease how can i make my windows in kde transparent?08:35
devianceHmm, hes set shadow winds not on docks, can you do the same for menues? It doesnt look too good08:35
nosrednaekimpeter_: that is a gentoo ebuild... that woun't work in ubuntu.08:35
bsundsrudpeter_: sorry, i don't know much about it, except that the file you mentioned there is for gentoo linux, so if you're using kubuntu it wont work08:36
nosrednaekimxenol: do you have a good graphics card?08:36
peter_i see , thanks ......been going crazy trying to get my webcam to work08:36
bsundsrudwhat kind is it?08:36
peter_it work in ekiga but nowhere else08:36
xenolnosrednaekim: a bit older08:36
nosrednaekimxenol: how much? within the last 4 years? and is it ATI...08:37
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xenolnosrednaekim: 3 years i guess and y ati08:37
xenolnosrednaekim: drivers r installed dont want to see xgl and compiz08:37
budgieboy_anyone know of any desktop toys?08:38
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devianceVSpike: I also set the "Shadow Windows" setting to "any & !type=dock", so Katapult looks better08:38
budgieboy_for kubuntu08:38
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nosrednaekimxenol: oh.. you don't want compiz08:38
Digoi oi oi08:38
Dighello world08:38
nosrednaekimbudgieboy_: amor is I think what you are referring to08:38
peter_how can i tell my webcam i being properly detected?08:38
devianceVSpike: Do you know your types? I want to know the menu type as right click menus look awefull with shadows on08:38
xenolnosrednaekim: do i need compiz for it? i got it installed and got only probs with it08:38
VSpikedeviance: no, i made the same setting as you for katapult, but I only copied it08:38
nosrednaekimxenol: compiz IS easier I think with ATI than trying to get KDE native transparency working.08:39
VSpikedeviance: try #compiz-fusion or #ubuntu-effects08:39
devianceIm in CF and just asked :D08:39
xenolnosrednaekim:  do i need xgl?08:39
VSpikedeviance: :)08:39
devianceAs you will see08:39
nosrednaekimxenol: yeah... probably08:39
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nosrednaekimxenol: which CAN be a pain.08:39
xenolnosrednaekim: uff and native kde transparency?08:40
budgieboy_getting updates first08:40
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budgieboy_theres tons!08:40
budgieboy_lucky I have 8meg :D08:40
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xenolnosrednaekim: when i had fusion i got problems with shadow, till now i dont know how to fix it08:40
nosrednaekimxenol: use beryl.08:40
Digi heard beryl was dead08:40
nosrednaekimDig: bot for fiesty08:40
budgieboy_beryl is cool08:41
xenolnosrednaekim: i guess it would be wors08:41
xenolnosrednaekim: i guess it would be worse*08:41
budgieboy_untill 30mins08:41
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Digi like it better than compiz08:41
nosrednaekimxenol: what would be worse?08:41
budgieboy_then it's just another desktop08:41
xenolnosrednaekim: beryl08:41
nosrednaekimI lovce compiz paper airplane plugin tho..lol08:41
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nosrednaekimxenol: no, its a bit more stable.08:41
Digbut, its all better then vista08:41
bomberwhats a good backup program I can use?08:41
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bomberi want to back up my system now that i have it the way i want it08:42
Digis there a channel to discuss upgrades to ubuntu08:42
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xenol!backup | bomber08:42
ubotubomber: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning08:42
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nosrednaekimDig: like what kind?08:42
xenolnosrednaekim: u sure?08:42
Digi dunno08:42
Digi wanna upgrade to gusty when it comes out08:43
nosrednaekimxenol: yalp... from personal experience08:43
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nosrednaekimDig: its pretty stable right now.08:43
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Digbut I dont have any experience with upgrading ubuntu08:43
Digi am having alot of problems08:43
Digwith shound08:43
xenolnosrednaekim: did u ever had probs with it? :S08:43
nosrednaekimxenol: nope.08:43
Digmy mic does not work at all08:43
xenolDig: got right codecs?08:43
Digi can hear my voice, but cannot record or use voip08:43
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hitmanWillyDig: is the mic set to record?08:44
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nosrednaekimturn up mic boost, and set the recoding channel to mic08:44
Digyes, mic is set to record08:44
Digmic is turned up08:44
hitmanWillyheh, just finished troubleshooting this myself last night...08:44
devianceVSpike: Got it.08:44
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devianceI had to figure it out myself, but any & !type=dock & !type=dropdownmenu & !type=popupmenu08:45
xenolnosrednaekim: hum dont u know if i can use emerald without beryl?08:45
hitmanWillyDig: you may need to set the channels to 208:45
nosrednaekimxenol: without beryl?08:45
ghozalahelp!!!! how can i install .kth files08:45
xenolnosrednaekim: yeah i like some themes08:45
hitmanWillyDig: do you have alsamixer installed?08:45
Dighit can i send you a screenshot from kmix08:46
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Digto look at08:46
nosrednaekimxenol: nah... unfortunately not08:46
budgieboysorry phone knocked it off!08:46
xenolnosrednaekim: that sux08:46
hitmanWillyDig: can you open up alsamixer in a konsole?08:46
budgieboy60% on updating :/08:46
xenolnosrednaekim:  well will   u be here tommorrow? not in a mood to do that08:46
DighitmanWilly: uyes08:46
hitmanWillyDig: ok, do that, then look for channels, set that to 208:47
nosrednaekimxenol: BTW you can do kwin transparency in systemsettings->window specific settings_> transparency08:47
budgieboywhats "KDE wallet"?08:47
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nosrednaekimbudgieboy: it keeps paswords and stuff.08:47
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budgieboywell my password is wigg08:48
hitmanWillyDig: just arrow over until you get to it08:48
Dighit its set to 208:48
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hitmanWillyDig: ok, hit tab to get to the input section08:48
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DighitmanWilly: ja08:49
budgieboyI want to purchase suse LinUx08:49
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budgieboyyay preparing upgrade!08:49
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tzangergood afternoon08:49
tzangerI have a strange KDE question08:49
budgieboyit's evening here08:50
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hitmanWillyDig: ok, do you see a captur with a L R underneath mic?08:50
tzangeris there any way to get emacs key bindings for Kate or any KDE editor?08:50
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ghozalahelp!!!! how can i install .kth files08:50
hitmanWillyDig: ok, scroll over to the capture bar, and make sure it's up08:50
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budgieboyDon't you dare speak to me like that!08:51
DighitmanWilly: 6708:51
nosrednaekimtzanger: I don't think so... but check #kde08:51
remotechief_311wie komme ich ins deutsche forum08:51
hitmanWillyDig: ok...esc out and do a uname -r08:51
budgieboyno swearing :P08:51
ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de08:51
tzangernosrednaekim: thanks08:51
budgieboyyou are swearing08:51
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xenolnosrednaekim: under transculency options?08:52
DighitmanWilly: does not sound encouraging08:52
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hitmanWillyDig: what type of soundcard do you have?08:52
Dig (N)08:52
budgieboy \/08:52
DigRealtek ALC850 rev 008:52
budgieboyyay u[date done08:52
hitmanWillyDig: hmmm, pretty close to mine08:53
nosrednaekimxenol: yeah08:53
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nosrednaekimcolse to mine too..08:53
xenolnosrednaekim: windows  r not transparent :/08:53
nosrednaekimxenol: you have to restart kde to initially get transparency08:53
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hitmanWillyDig: ok, hold on, let me check the tubes right quick08:53
nosrednaekimbut not everytime you make a change afterwards08:53
DighitmanWilly: i gotta bounce out, can i get a hold of you later? are U here often?08:55
budgieboy /\ /\08:56
hitmanWillyDig: not so much lately, but someone else here should be able to help08:56
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VSpikedeviance: thanks - applied08:57
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ismakunHas anyone installed Red Hat Developer studio or exadel in ubuntu without problems?08:58
hitmanWillywell, if he'd given me a couple more seconds, i'd have just had him try copying my config settings...lol08:58
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ismakunneed help installing Red Hat developer studio or exadel08:58
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hitmanWillyismakun: well, since its red hat, im assuming it comes as an rpm?09:00
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budgieboyhow do I install amor? It's 64bit09:00
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ismakunit was a jar09:00
ismakuni installed it but the server emulation part wont work09:01
ismakunit uses jboss server is integrated with the program09:01
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hitmanWillyismakun: hmmm, got me, never used it09:01
ismakunby any chance is there somewhere with redhat repositories :)09:02
budgieboywhats the thing to make me have root privleges09:02
hitmanWilly!sudo | budgieboy09:02
ubotubudgieboy: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.09:02
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budgieboyI installed amor all on my own ^^09:03
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budgieboyall the codes are coming back to me09:03
budgieboyYAY it works!09:04
budgieboywhats the one where you have tux penguins around the screen?09:04
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xenolnosrednaekim: definately unusable jerky and laggy :-/09:05
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nosrednaekimxenol: yeah.. figured it would do that on a ATI card with no composite extension.09:06
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nosrednaekimbudgieboy: dunno use your l33 sk1lz ;)09:06
xenolnosrednaekim: if i install beryl this should happen right?09:07
nosrednaekimxenol: shouldn't?09:07
xenolnosrednaekim: yeah, i mistyped sry09:07
budgieboythe good thing about linux is, even though it's hard to understand at first, once you've got it you get that feeling..can't remember the name09:07
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budgieboyeven when you've done it before, in my case on suse and ubuntu :P09:08
nosrednaekimxenol: yeah... everything should be smooth with beryl.09:08
budgieboyyay, I installed wormux09:08
xenolnosrednaekim: so it will be enough to install beryl and set transculency?09:08
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nosrednaekimxenol: no... you'll have to turn off transparency when you install beryl, and the configure the beryl plugin "opacity"09:09
xenolnosrednaekim: but i need xgl right? :/09:10
nosrednaekimxenol: yup.09:10
budgieboyAHAHH! blew a gnome of the map09:11
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xenolnosrednaekim: u also using gnome?09:16
nosrednaekimno.. I'm on KDE09:16
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quixogreafternoon all09:19
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xenolnosrednaekim: how long have u been using kubuntu?09:19
budgieboyit's evenig here09:19
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quixogrebudgieboy: my apologies. good evening then ;)09:20
budgieboygood evening to you to ;)09:20
quixogreanyone seen uga today?09:20
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Divilinuxhi all09:20
quixogreDivilinux: hello09:21
budgieboyThis is great! Now I can install anything easy ^^09:21
nosrednaekimxenol: 1.5 years, but was using suse b4 that.,and slackware before THAT.09:21
nosrednaekimhaven't touched windows in over 5 years09:21
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budgieboysudu apt-get install is all I need09:21
quixogresuse rocks. if i hadnt discovered ubuntu, i'd still be using it09:21
quixogrenosrednaekim: you're misisng out man. windows is good for one thing only...games09:22
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nosrednaekim!seen uga09:22
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about seen uga - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi09:22
budgieboyunless you got cedega09:22
xenolnosrednaekim: lol slack? afaik it is one of the most installing distros out there09:22
nosrednaekimits got its fanbase.09:23
quixogreim trying to get a job with google. they're opening a center nto far from where i live09:24
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quixogrethink they're running RH of fedora. not sure though09:25
quixogreof = or*09:25
quixogrefat fingers. im a lousy typist09:25
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budgieboycan anyone recomend me some desktop toys09:27
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quixogrebudgieboy: for what?09:27
nosrednaekimbudgieboy: beryl?09:27
quixogreaye. beryl or compiz...09:27
quixogrelots of eye candy in those09:27
budgieboyno, jusr desktop toys09:27
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budgieboyI want things that run around the desktop and stuff09:28
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quixogrebudgieboy: not i. im a command line geek. everything i want/need to do in linux, can be done in command line pretty much09:28
xenolif i want to start karamba themes upon logon do i have to move karamba into ~/.kde/Autostart?09:28
quixogrexenol: yes09:29
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budgieboydoes anyone have any desktop toys to recomend me to download09:29
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budgieboyamor is P*SSing me off!09:31
budgieboyhah! killed him09:31
quixogre(EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! Please ensure09:32
quixogre(EE) NVIDIA(0):     that there is a supported NVIDIA GPU in this system, and09:32
quixogre(EE) NVIDIA(0):     that the NVIDIA device files have been created properly.09:32
quixogre(EE) NVIDIA(0):     Please consult the NVIDIA README for details.09:32
quixogre(EE) NVIDIA(0):  *** Aborting ***09:32
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quixogregetitng this error when i try running the nvidia drivers...anyone know how to fix it?09:32
cloakable!pastebin | quixogre09:32
ubotuquixogre: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)09:32
quixogreanyone know where to find the nvidia readme?09:33
quixogrecloakable. thanks, but thats where i pasted it from...http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39224/ is the whole file09:33
quixogre5 lines isnt exactly a lot of text though.09:34
cloakablequixogre: Probably in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx09:34
quixogrecloakable: thanks. will check there now09:34
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budgieboydoes anyone know of any destop gadgets?09:37
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mallizeapt-get install screenlets09:38
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ubotuScreenlets are little widgets for your !desktop. Note you must have !Compiz Fusion, !Beryl, xcompmgr, or KWin to run them. You can get them at http://www.screenlets.org/09:39
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budgieboylol one sucked the other ones ****09:43
peter_anyone uses gotmail?09:43
budgieboycouln't find package screenlets! :O09:44
Doctor_Nickdang it all09:45
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nosrednaekimhey feierfox09:54
feierfoxi have my old problem09:54
feierfoxcant mount my second HD09:55
feierfoxin gutsy :(09:55
mooperhey, since I apt-get upgraded......my sound stopped working :-( any Ideas?09:55
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x_linkHi everybody!09:56
x_linkJust a question, is there any problems in Kubuntu 7.04 right now?09:56
x_linkSince I installed Kubuntu for like 3 months ago it hasbeen working really great.09:56
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x_linkBut this last 4-5 days I have had alot of problems.09:56
quixogrex_link: what kind of problems you looking for?09:57
x_linkLike dispplay is freezing, firefox isn't opening etc.09:57
quixogrex-link have you updated or upgraded recently?09:57
x_linkquixogre: So I'm just wondering if there is anything wrong with Kubuntu for now?09:57
x_linkI have just re-installed it.09:57
quixogreso the problem started when you reinstalled? or you reinstalle dbecause of the problem?09:58
mooperI been having a few niggles with kubuntu. but nothing serious09:58
x_linkquixogre: I re-installed because of the problem.09:58
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x_linkBut I think it's pretty okey now.09:58
x_linkquixogre: Should I change to gutsy you think?09:58
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quixogrex-link, have you dont the apt-get upgrade yet?09:58
x_linkDoes everything work okey there?09:58
x_linkquixogre: Yes, sudo aptitude update, sudo aptitude upgrade etc.09:58
x_linkquixogre: But it works okey now.09:59
quixogrex_link: is 7.04 is buggy for you, avoid gutsy like the plague09:59
x_linkThis is the first time I ever had problems.09:59
x_linkMaybe it's because of something else.09:59
quixogrex_link: gutsy is in beta still, and have heard of lots of problems with it09:59
x_linkquixogre: Okej, what do you use+09:59
x_linkIf I may ask.09:59
quixogreim using feisty...i'll let the braver souls test the beta code ;)10:00
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quixogresame reason i refuse to use vista until at LEAST the first service pack comes out10:00
x_linkquixogre: Okej =)10:00
x_linkquixogre: I didn't like Vista at all.10:00
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quixogrewouldnt know. havent even looked at it ;)10:01
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x_linkquixogre: I think it's to many menues etc.10:01
x_linkquixogre: Hehe okej10:01
quixogrebjwebb: *insert shoe joke here*10:01
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bjwebbquixogre: thankyou10:02
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quixogrebjwebb: define "silly" is it telling bad puns too?10:02
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x_linkquixogre: Thanks alot for your help.10:02
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x_linkI will continue using 7.04 =)10:03
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bjwebbquixogre: not quite10:03
bjwebbthats its normal behaviour :D10:03
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quixogrebjwebb: are you using a seperate partion for /home?10:04
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quixogrehow is it being silly? is it not mounting?10:06
bjwebbit mounts10:06
bjwebbi can ls /home10:06
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bjwebbbut ls /home/bjwebb2 gives nothing10:06
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quixogreim assuming bjwebb2 is a real user?10:07
bjwebbits a real directory10:07
quixogrebjwebb: if you use knoqueror and go to that directory...does it show anything?10:07
bjwebbthe user's actually bjwebb, but the /home is being used by two installs and i wanted to keep config files separate10:07
quixogrebjwebb: try ls -lisa /home/bjwebb210:08
bjwebbquixogre: ahh, i couldnt even log in graphically10:08
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bjwebbquixogre: that worked!10:08
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quixogrebjwebb: the files that begin with dot(.) wont show up with normal ls. need to use the -a option10:09
jerihi everyone! how do i install libxines so i cud play mp3s on my dapper.10:09
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bjwebboh know i did that wrong10:09
quixogreunix/linux hides files from the user, by putting a period at the beginning of the name10:09
bjwebbit doesn't work :S10:10
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bjwebbit just hangs like normal ls10:10
bjwebbbtw, i got a mesg from dmesg, not sure if its related10:10
quixogrehehe iforget the exact option to show all files. ASSUMED -a...man ls for exact details10:10
quixogrei normally just type ls -lisa...old habit10:11
bjwebbbut anyway, it doesn't work10:11
quixogre!mp3 | jeri10:11
ubotujeri: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats10:11
quixogrebjwebb: ls -lisa doenst work?10:11
jeriok thx10:12
DominiK83excuse me.. i'm newbe.. how i can upgrade my kubuntu to the last release?? (excese for my bad english)10:12
quixogreDominiK83: sudo apt-get upgrade10:12
DominiK83only this?10:12
bjwebbquixogre: NO IT DOESN'T10:12
quixogreDominiK83: what language do you speak?10:12
bjwebbsorry i knock caps when typing " for screen10:12
DominiK83quixogre: italian10:13
quixogre!it | DominiK8310:13
nosrednaekimDominiK83: are you experienced with kubuntu? because if not...gutsy is not ready for you yet. it has the occasional bug10:13
ubotuDominiK83: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!10:13
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jerii get errors like this :10:13
jeriE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)10:13
jeriE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?10:13
bjwebbis getting "kernel BUG" in dmesg a v bad think10:14
ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 10:14
bjwebbjeri: try what ubotu said10:14
quixogrejeri: ps -ef |grep adept10:14
LjLbjwebb: uhm, why would you think it's a bad thing? ;o)10:14
bjwebbLjL: erm i dunno......10:15
LjLbjwebb: file a bug :)10:15
DominiK83nosrednaekim: maybe i have two versions later. how can i see my version??10:15
bjwebbquixogre: could that be causing my problem?10:15
nosrednaekimDominiK83: well, the kernel will tell us., do a "uname -a"10:15
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quixogrebjwebb: quite possibly...10:16
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bjwebbquixogre: ill use my older kernel, see if its any different10:16
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DominiK83inosrednaek: im had remember the code.. i have edgy :D10:16
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quixogrenosrednaekim: is there a way to apt-get newer versions of ubuntu?10:17
DominiK83nosrednaekim: i have edgy.. but i use  lsb_release -a10:17
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nosrednaekimDominiK83: yeah... ok10:17
nosrednaekimquixogre: yeah..10:17
nosrednaekim!upgrade | DominiK8310:18
ubotuDominiK83: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)10:18
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quixogrethanks ;)10:18
DominiK83nosrednaekim: ok.. how can i upgrade??10:18
emilsedghquixogre: replace all feisty with gutsy in /etc/apt/sources.list, the apt-get update and apt-get upgrade10:18
DominiK83ah ok.. tnx ubotu10:18
jerii dont know if my multiverse is ready,but already enabled it in the adept manager10:18
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quixogreemilsedgh: im happy with feisty for now. thanks though10:19
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emilsedghquixogre: usually, upgrading will not break things and will make you happier ;)10:20
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nosrednaekimemilsedgh: don't reccomend gutsy upgrades yet.10:20
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emilsedghnosrednaekim: ok, i will wait 2 more weeks :D10:20
quixogrelol heard too many bug reports for gutsy to be comfortable with it yet...gonna wait till its out of beta at least10:20
nosrednaekimthanks :)10:20
quixogrelike i said earlier...i'll leave beta testing to braver souls. i have enough problems just with feisty10:21
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quixogreanyone here use NVIDIA drivers?10:22
quixogrehaving a problem when i install NVIDIA on my system. x wont start10:22
quixogrehttp://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39224/ is link to the bad log file...if im running nv drivers, runs just fine. problem is with NVIDIA not getting loaded into kernel methinks10:23
quixogreuga: you alive?10:24
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quixogreits NOT a problem with the xorg.conf. other than the fact that xorg.conf is calling nvidia drivers10:25
ugaquixogre: no, I'm the ghost of uga =)10:26
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quixogrealas poor uga. i knew him well. a man of infinite jest10:26
ugaquixogre: X won't start?10:27
MoNsTeRcan somebody help me with beryl i have beryl with xgl working on gnome but how do i make another session with it for kde10:27
quixogreuga, need help with nvidia drivers bro. and you're the expert in this field...10:27
ugaquixogre: after installing nvidia's installer?10:27
quixogreuga nope. x crashes if i run with nvidia drivers installed10:27
ugarather than expert, I hit my head against it, once and again ;)10:27
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quixogreuga: yes. after running nvidias installer10:27
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ugaquixogre: did you try rmmod'ing first? to make sure lrm modules aren't loaded10:28
ugaand then insmod /lib/modules... nvidia.ko10:28
ugajust in case10:28
ugaas modprobe gets modified by lrm to install their nvidia thing10:28
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quixogreuga nope. thats what im thinking i need to do. not familiar with the commands though10:28
MoNsTeRif i were you uga i would install the resrticted drivers10:29
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ugaquixogre: just rmmod nvidia   then insmod /lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko (replace with your current kernel number)10:29
MoNsTeRthats what i did when i had problems and it fixed it quik10:29
ugaMoNsTeR: that's what I removed to fix my box quick ;)10:29
ugafeisty's lrm are too old to run on new boxes10:30
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ugaand gutsy ones weren't up to date10:30
uganvidia-new ones are now, I think10:30
ugaon gutsy, not on feisty10:30
AranelMy Kubuntu running very slow, especially when I run Firefox, Open Office or c/p texts to Kopete. But In other distros, they're running fast, how can i boost its speed ?10:30
MoNsTeRcan somebody help me with beryl i have beryl with xgl working on gnome but how do i make another session with it for kde10:31
ugaMoNsTeR: the problem is that even after installing nvidia's installer, unless you remove lrm modules, it'll keep loading them before xorg, and your X will fail10:31
ugaso you have to completely clear them out, and then install nvidia10:31
MoNsTeRuga,  i think i can help you10:31
ScorpKinghiya uga and quixogre.10:31
ScorpKinguga: i like quick solutions. :P10:31
MoNsTeRuga, start up with vesa10:31
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MoNsTeRissue this command gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf10:32
ugaScorpKing: then apt-get remove linux-restricted-modules* nvidia-glx, and run Nvidia installer =)10:32
ScorpKingAranel: do you have enough ram and swap space?10:32
quixogrejames@james-desktop:~/Desktop$ insmod /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko10:32
quixogreinsmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko': -1 Operation not permitted10:32
ugaMoNsTeR: I'm not sure if you got it... my box runs fine!10:32
ugaMoNsTeR: just not with gutsy's or feisty's packs10:32
MoNsTeRuga oh10:33
ugathey're too old to run on new nvidia cards10:33
ugaas I said10:33
MoNsTeRuga, then i missed some of your conversation10:33
ugaMoNsTeR: I was trying to help out quixogre with same issues10:33
AranelScorpKing: 512 ram (but I think I have a problem with my P4 2.4 ghz :) ) and 204 mb swap(is it very low?)10:33
ugaquixogre: as root. Sudo10:33
MoNsTeRcan somebody help me with beryl i have beryl with xgl working on gnome but how do i make another session with it for kde10:33
ugaquixogre: insmod and rmmod require you to be root10:33
bjwebbcan anyone expalin this http://pastebin.ca/72348210:34
ugaquixogre: ie, sudo insmod /lib/modules/..../nvidia.ko10:34
quixogreuga, done. now what?10:34
ugaquixogre: it loaded fine? then do X :1 &10:34
ScorpKingAranel: i sugest making swap at least 500mb. in konsole type free to see how much ram you have left.10:34
ugaquixogre: with sudo10:34
ugathat should start up a nice nvidia screen?10:35
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AranelScorpKing: 137 :(10:35
ugaif it does, then the nvidia drivers are working10:35
AranelScorpKing: and 54 in swap.10:35
ScorpKingAranel: hmmm. can you increase swap?10:35
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quixogretellin me command not found..10:36
rocketsIs KDE 4 going to be in the Hardy Heron?10:36
jerihelp anyone i cant install libxine-extracodecs,in the terminal it says no installation candidate10:36
rocketsAssuming KDE 4 is released on time10:36
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AranelScorpKing: yes I can increase it.10:36
ScorpKingAranel: that might not be the problem but low swap could cause a lot of problems10:36
ugaquixogre: ah? X is the Xorg server. It should exist =)10:36
rocketsjeri, libxine-extracodecs is a dummy package10:36
AranelScorpKing: 1 gb? 5 ? can u suggest a size ?10:36
rocketsjeri, theres no point10:36
ugaquixogre: are you in a tty right now, or in gfx mode10:37
ScorpKingAranel: 1gb10:37
quixogreuga: gfx...10:37
quixogrego to terminal and try it?10:37
AranelScorpKing: ok, i'll do it. Thanks.10:37
ugaquixogre: well, not a good idea to load and start xorg with a different driver while xorg is up10:37
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quixogreuga. kk. will go to temrinal and try it...10:37
ugaquixogre: in order to stop xorg, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop10:38
ugaquixogre: then sudo rmmod nvidia, sudo insmod /lib/modules.../nvidia.ko10:38
jerii guess i theres no other way to play mp3s?10:38
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ugaquixogre: and start it up again: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start10:38
quixogreuga hehe i've gotten very good at starting and stopping X in the last two days ;)10:38
guillei am back10:38
ScorpKingbjwebb: i don't know what that is but it looks like you're gonna have fun. lol10:38
ugaquixogre: once done, before kdm loads, you should see the nvidia splash screen10:39
ugaa green thing, with nvidia logo10:39
guillehow do i install 7.10 if i just intalled 7.04?10:39
bjwebbScorpKing: :S10:39
quixogrebrb (hopefully)10:39
ScorpKingquixogre: flashing and then going away10:39
quixogrejust gonna reboot10:39
ugaquixogre: if that works, you can safely remove the linux-restricted-modules, and next time you load the machine it'll be automatic10:39
ugaquixogre: =)10:39
ugauhm.. he seriously said reboot?10:40
ugareboot != kdm start, if he still got lrm around10:40
ugaas lrm will load first10:40
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ugaquixogre: when I say something I mean something, not something++ =)10:41
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waylandbill_awesome. used restricted manager to install the broadcom driver and for now it works. might not need ndiswrapper.10:41
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MoNsTeRcan somebody help me with beryl i have beryl with xgl working on gnome but how do i make another session with it for kde10:41
waylandbill_MoNsTeR: perhaps #beryl will know more about it.10:41
freqmodis it possible to use kmail 1.9.7 on gutsy? (it currently uses 1.9.6 while feisty with most recent kde update uses 1.9.7)10:42
MoNsTeRi thought it was #ubuntu-effects10:42
waylandbill_MoNsTeR: they might know too10:42
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waylandbill_MoNsTeR: it's really a question of loading the right session in the script that starts Xgl, but I haven't tried in a while.10:43
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ugahi sredna10:43
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srednahello uga :)10:44
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ugaquixogre: didn't work, right? =)10:44
ugaquixogre: rebooting loads lrm modules, unless you remove them, first =)10:44
quixogredidnt work :(10:44
ross--HEY Guys, im using a LIVECD now, how do i MOUNT my harddrive so i can see my windows partition? i want to burn some files from it10:44
ugaquixogre: when I said restart kdm, I meant restart kdm, not reboot =)10:44
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quixogrei didnt reboot at first....and i DID get the NVIDIA splash screen10:45
ross--HEY Guys, im using a LIVECD now, how do i MOUNT my harddrive so i can see my windows partition? i want to burn some files from it10:45
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MoNsTeRwaylandbill_, i got it to work with gnome i wanna make another session that will use kde so i have beryl on both do you see what i meen10:45
ugaquixogre: ok. So the driver is working10:45
ross--HEY Guys, im using a LIVECD now, how do i MOUNT my harddrive so i can see my windows partition? i want to burn some files from it10:45
ugaquixogre: then if you had done sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start, it should have worked?10:45
quixogreright. hehe coulda told ya that ;) like i siad, bveen wrestling this for DAYS now10:45
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KDEusrcan someone help me ignore a broken package through synaptic?10:45
ross--HEY Guys, im using a LIVECD now, how do i MOUNT my harddrive so i can see my windows partition? i want to burn some files from it10:46
ScorpKingsredna: spend some time reading online news. and yes, 3.5.7 will be in 7.10.10:46
KDEusrross, do you have 2 cdroms?10:46
ross--HEY Guys, im using a LIVECD now, how do i MOUNT my harddrive so i can see my windows partition? i want to burn some files from it10:46
ugaquixogre: now, if you want it to work from bootup, you should remove nvidia drivers provided by linux-restricted-modules, or if you can, completely remove those packs10:46
ugaquixogre: that will avoid that they'll be installed in future10:46
quixogreuga, how?10:46
waylandbill_MoNsTeR: and my point is that a script that starts xgl defines the session. A copy needs to be made that loads kde. People knowing more about beryl and xgl would be able to tell you easily.10:46
KDEusrhmm. im not quite sure how to mount a hdd10:46
srednaScorpKing: uh, sorry :)10:46
ScorpKing!ntfs ross--10:46
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ntfs ross-- - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi10:46
KDEusrmy distro does it for me10:46
ugaquixogre: open adept, and look for linux-restricted-modules. Remove installed ones10:46
srednabut cool :-)10:46
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MoNsTeRhow do i even open a session that i can edit?10:47
ross--HEY Guys, im using a LIVECD now, how do i MOUNT my harddrive so i can see my windows partition? i want to burn some files from it10:47
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MoNsTeRwaylandbill_,  how do i even open a session that i can edit?10:47
ugaquixogre: then do same with nvidia-glx. AND to make sure they don't remove something important, reinstall Nvidia's installer10:47
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ScorpKingsredna: i think it's on the kubuntu website. not sure10:47
ross--is there a way to burn an ISO from a livecd?10:47
jerihow do i install libxine-extracodecs?10:47
waylandbill_MoNsTeR: there is a file on the hard drive that is essentially a textual file that contains the shell commands that load the session.10:47
ScorpKingross--: k3b10:47
MoNsTeRwaylandbill_, i know that but do you know the command10:47
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ross--ok whee do i save the file though when i download it?10:48
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ugasredna: I upgraded box recently. I think this machine builds in a quarter of the time I used to, or much less =)10:48
ugain minutes10:48
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jerihow do i install libxine-extracodecs?10:48
waylandbill_MoNsTeR: I don't recall the exact location and it's probably different for gdm and kdm.10:48
ugasredna: quad core at 2.44 and 4gig ram... fresh =)10:48
quixogreuga: ummm noobish queestion: how to open adept?10:48
ScorpKingjeri: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs10:49
waylandbill_quixogre: Alt-F2, kdesu adept10:49
ugaquixogre: kmenu->system->manage packages (adept manager)10:49
ugawaylandbill_: it's adept_manager ;)10:49
jeriive already tried that in the terminal and it says no installation candidate10:49
quixogrecrap. gotta reboot...in gnome atm,10:49
waylandbill_uga: yeah. it's adept_manager since feisty.10:50
ugajeri: where did you read about that pack? they should tell you the repository10:50
waylandbill_uga: forgetful me. :)10:50
srednaMem:        51184010:50
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srednathe single bottleneck on this system10:50
ScorpKingsredna: i run kubuntu on 320 ram and 1gb swap. works fine10:51
ross--in konversation how can i change the location of the file im trying to download from irc?10:51
jerithis is what it says10:51
jeriPackage libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.10:51
jeriThis may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or10:51
jeriis only available from another source10:51
jeriE: Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate10:51
ugaScorpKing: iirc sredna does something more than "run" software, though10:51
ross--in konversation how can i change the location of the file im trying to download from irc?10:51
ross--in konversation how can i change the location of the file im trying to download from irc... im trying to get the files from the send to my USB drive10:52
ugaScorpKing: he's a coder10:52
ross--in konversation how can i change the location of the file im trying to download from irc... im trying to get the files from the send to my USB drive10:52
ugaScorpKing: you guys should support coders with new hw ;)10:52
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ugait's unfair that coders got worse hw than users10:52
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ross--in konversation how can i change the location of the file im trying to download from irc... im trying to get the files from the send to my USB drive10:52
ugaquixogre: what this time? =)=10:52
srednai run A LOT of it, i have two kate sessions, 4 konqueror windows each with several tabs, kontact, konsole, some more... + i run gcc quite a lot, as any developer, when i am active :-)10:53
ross--in konversation how can i change the location of the file im trying to download from irc... im trying to get the files from the send to my USB drive10:53
ScorpKing!patience | ross--10:53
ubotuross--: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines10:53
quixogreadept not found...10:53
ugasredna: that "adopt a developer" project (or something like that) isn't running anymore?10:53
ugathe one to get hw updated10:53
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ross--in konversation how can i change the location of the file im trying to download from irc... im trying to get the files from the send to my USB drive10:54
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hydrogen!polite | ross--10:54
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about polite - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi10:54
ScorpKinguga: i'm a kinda new linux user so my help isn't always the best. :P10:54
hydrogenI was afraid of that ubotu :10:54
ugaquixogre? it's a basic package in kubuntu... try sudo apt-get install adept-manager10:54
hydrogenadept isn't a command10:55
hydrogenits adept_manager10:55
ugaScorpKing: they don't need "help", they need "monies" :P10:55
hydrogenso if you just typed in adept you won't have any luck10:55
ugahydrogen: I told him the kmenu way10:55
ScorpKinguga: ah, i agree.10:55
quixogrekk. got it up and running....what am i looking for again?10:56
waylandbill_hydrogen: right. it is now. It used to be a valid command though a few versions back. :)10:56
ScorpKingquixogre: help10:56
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ugaquixogre: linux-restricted-modules10:56
ugaquixogre: and nvidia-glx10:56
srednauga: dunno.. but i think i can afford a bit of RAM, i just need to open the box and see what i should buy, and find it.10:56
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ross--in konversation how can i change the location of the file im trying to download from irc... im trying to get the files from the send to my USB drive10:56
ugasredna: as far as you got enough slots to upgrade, nice!10:56
guillehi i am having trouble uppgrading10:56
ScorpKingsredna: that should be DDR40010:56
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ugaquixogre: anything related to nvidia or lrm, just get rid of it, and then reinstall the nvidia driver from cmnd line10:57
ardchoilleross--: Settings > Cofigure > Behavior > DCC10:58
quixogreuga, done and done. going to cmd line to reinstall now10:58
ross--ok, then what is the location of my USB drive?10:58
ugaquixogre: btw, you aren't using anything like wifi drivers from linux-restricted-modules, right?10:58
quixogreuga nope.10:58
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ugaquixogre: then you're safe =)10:58
ardchoilleross--: What is the path it is mounted to?10:58
ardchoilleross--: Open a terminal and type: mount10:58
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ScorpKingquixogre: vmplayer might give problems with that as well.10:59
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ross--ardchoille: i type mount, theres a lot of things, what should i look for10:59
ugaScorpKing: then vbox is the way? :P10:59
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VWJ1bnR1What happened to GDM/11:00
ScorpKinguga: yes, i love it. and dosbox. :D11:00
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ardchoilleross--: Can you pastebin the output of mount?11:00
ross--procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)11:00
ardchoille!paste | ross--11:00
ubotuross--: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)11:00
ScorpKingjeri: libxine-extracodecs is in multiverse11:00
ross--is it this one?11:00
ugaVWJ1bnR1: maybe #ubuntu guys know. kubuntu doesn't use gdm11:00
ugait uses kdm11:00
ardchoilleross--: No, that isn't it11:00
VWJ1bnR1uga: Yes, but I installed KDE, and I can't access the GUI login or the Login Window.11:01
ross--ardchoille: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39400/11:01
jerithen wat do i do? really nid help11:01
ugaVWJ1bnR1: unless you have a broken kdm service, I can't understand. Try /etc/init.d/kdm stop and then /etc/init.d/gdm start possibly starts up gdm?11:01
ardchoilleross--: You're on the live cd, right?11:01
uganot sure about the service name that gdm uses, but possibly that's the one11:02
MetaMorfoziSVWJ1bnR1 > try from console: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm (or gdm) they asks for default login manager11:02
MetaMorfoziSthen select that what you want.11:02
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ross--ardchoille: yes11:02
MetaMorfoziSthen /etc/init.d/adm stop /etc/init.d/bdm start :)11:02
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ScorpKingjeri: enable the multiverse repo in /etc/apt/sources.list11:03
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ScorpKingdoes anyone how to get aptoncd to run without installing the gnome stuff?11:04
ardchoilleross--: The "procbususb" isn't it because I'm on a Feisty installed system with no usb keys and I have that same entry. I don't see your usb drive listed. It should be something like "/dev/sda1" or some such.11:04
jeriin the terminal?wat command?11:04
ScorpKingjeri: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list11:05
ross--ardchoille: is there a way to MOUNT my harddrive in livecd because i need some stuff from the harddrive to BURN it11:05
guilleHow lond does it take to upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10?11:05
ugaguille: a whole release time ;)11:05
ross--ardchoille: is there a way to MOUNT my harddrive in livecd because i need some stuff from the harddrive to BURN it11:06
ardchoilleross--: Ues, you need to find the hard drive device and mount it.11:06
ardchoilleross--: Do you have a IDE or SCSI hard drive?11:06
jerithen wats nexxt? after kdesu11:06
ardchoilleross--: IS it master or slave?11:06
guilleuga i mean in my time11:06
ScorpKinguga: maybe quixogre doesn't know of irssi or bitchx11:06
ugaguille: I mean it's not out yet, afaik11:06
guillei have 7.04 and i am trying to uppgrade11:06
guilleit not?11:07
guillewhy does the homepage say it is11:07
ugawas there an official gutsy release?11:07
ugaKubuntu 7.10 Beta Available11:07
ugaI read "BETA"11:07
ross--ardchoille: so? how to mount my ide drive to burn stuff from11:07
ScorpKingjeri: uncomment the multiverse line. remove the # before it.11:07
ugaguille: =)11:07
jeriah ok11:07
ardchoilleross--: Try this: sudo mkdir /mnt/hda1 && sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1   <-- if that succeeds then your hard drive should be at /mnt/hda111:08
jeribut there is no # in the multiverse line11:08
ugaguille: if you want to take the risk and betatest, you can ask at #ubuntu+111:08
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ScorpKingjeri: right in the beginning of the line. before deb ....11:09
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jerithen save?11:09
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ScorpKingjeri: then run sudo apt-get update11:10
jeriwat does it mean main restricted?11:11
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ScorpKingnot free i think11:12
ardchoillejeri: Those are components of the repo11:12
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ubuntu_does anyone know the freenode domain for irc?11:12
ubuntu_nick Rex11:13
ubuntu_do you know what port they use?11:13
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SlimeyPeteubuntu_: 666711:13
Bleepim back... and still offline in kubuntu :P11:14
ScorpKingjeri: then try to install it again.11:14
ubuntu_Thanks Slimey11:14
ScorpKinghiya Bleep!11:14
Bleep:P  hi11:14
ScorpKingsorry, no new ideas. :(11:14
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fdovingBleep: how do you connect to the internet? do you use knetworkmanager?11:14
jeristill no installation candidate11:14
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Bleepwell i cant11:14
Bleepim using xp now11:15
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quixogreokay....ALMOST got it11:15
Bleepim imprissoned...11:15
ardchoillejeri: What are you looking for?11:15
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ugaquixogre: [23:14]  * uga wonders if quixogre's box's dead11:15
quixogreif i run the insmod command, it lets me run xwindows11:15
jeriim trying to make my dapper work for mp3s11:15
quixogrebut it still wont startx on a reboot11:15
ScorpKingjeri: is apt-get update finished?11:16
ugaquixogre: it must be loading something else11:16
Bleephmm i hacked my alcatel speedtouch home modem.... i have expert options now11:16
fdovingquixogre: add the module to /etc/modules11:16
ugaquixogre: are you sure you removed anything related to linux-restricted-modules?11:16
ugafdoving: he shouldn't need to do that11:16
jeriyup its done11:16
ugaxorg loads it automatically11:16
quixogreuga, yup. nothing running. will check though11:16
ScorpKinguga: i had the same problem before11:16
ScorpKingit doesn't load11:17
ugaquixogre: try rmmod nvidia, and instead of "insmod", use "sudo modprobe nvidia". I'm sure something didn't get removed11:17
jerino installlation candidate11:17
ugaScorpKing: I fixed my and others' machines so far11:17
fdovinguga: well, if it doesn't work without it, he needs to load it.11:17
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ugafdoving: yes, the point is if it doesn't, I'd rather figure out why, than place a workaround11:17
ugaI'm sure it's due to lrm11:17
ScorpKingjeri: that's odd. no idea what now11:17
ardchoillejeri: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file please?11:18
ugaquixogre: if it fails saying "can't install" or something, then you have lrm things left in /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video11:18
ugaquixogre: comment out those lines with #11:18
ugait means it's trying to install nvidia each time11:18
jerihow ?11:18
ugainstead of loading the one you installed11:18
ScorpKinguga: i just installed the drivers in runlevel one everytime i booted. :(11:18
ardchoille!paste | jeri11:19
ubotujeri: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)11:19
ugaScorpKing: check the file I just mentioned. Does it list nvidia?11:19
quixogreuga, just a sec, checking logfiles11:19
ugaScorpKing: /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video11:19
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ScorpKinguga: that box is gone now11:19
ugaScorpKing: oh okay. The file lists nvidia install instructions. If you comment them out modprobe and autoloading xorg works11:20
ugaif you don't, it won't11:20
ugaquixogre: just edit that file and put a # before all nvidia lines11:20
ScorpKinguga: i'll keep that in mind. thanks11:20
ugait's going to be making mdorpbe fail11:20
ugaScorpKing: it drove me nuts ;)11:20
ScorpKingme too11:20
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ugaScorpKing: that file lists: install nvidia /sbin/lrm-video nvidia $CMDLINE_OPTS11:21
ugaso modprobe tried to run lrm-video, when you try "modprobe nvidia"11:21
ugainsmod works, but modprobe (and xorg) don't11:21
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ScorpKingah. i see11:21
Bleepwho's using eth0 to connect to an adsl router?11:22
ugaI thought removing lrm and other packs would comment out those lines, but maybe not, from what I see in quixogre's result11:22
quixogreokay. files locked. gotta log out of windows to modify it11:22
ugaBleep: 99.99% of people here11:22
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fdovinguga: you probably need to purge linux-restructed-modules-common to remove the config file.11:22
ScorpKingBleep: i've setup a few boxes that use eth0 for internet through a router.11:22
Bleepno kubuntu11:22
Daisuke_Idonot you, Bleep11:22
Bleepo oops11:23
Daisuke_Idono worries :)11:23
ugafdoving: ah, thanks11:23
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ScorpKingBleep: can the router take more cables?11:24
Bleepuhm scorp i must tell you, my eth0 is directly connected to the modem. Theres no router11:24
quixogreokies. for some reason, it was loading nvidia drivers in adept. removed those. let me see if that fixes it11:24
ugaquixogre: a sec11:24
ugadont' rush11:24
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Bleepits a single computer config so theres no router11:25
ugaquixogre: check the file I just mentioned, it's important =)11:25
ScorpKingBleep: that will explain it. is there a picture or info online for your modem?11:25
ugaquixogre: /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video11:25
ugaand comment out all lines with a "#"11:25
quixogre# Make nvidia/nvidia_legacy and fglrx use /sbin/lrm-video to load11:25
quixogreinstall fglrx /sbin/lrm-video fglrx $CMDLINE_OPTS11:25
quixogreinstall nvidia /sbin/lrm-video nvidia $CMDLINE_OPTS11:25
quixogreinstall nvidia_legacy /sbin/lrm-video nvidia_legacy $CMDLINE_OPTS11:25
quixogreinstall nvidia_new /sbin/lrm-video nvidia_new $CMDLINE_OPTS11:25
ugaouch! don't paste like htat =)11:26
quixogreuga thats it11:26
Bleepscorp: ill digg in11:26
ugaquixogre: coment them out, yes =)11:26
quixogresorry for spam :(11:26
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ugaquixogre: with a # on each line11:26
ugaat the beginning11:26
quixogreuga, gotta boot to cmd line to do so...11:26
ScorpKingBleep: thanks. maybe i can think of somthing if i understand how it works.11:26
ugaquixogre: no need to do so from cmd line11:26
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ugaquixogre: kdesu kate11:26
ugaand open the file and edit11:26
quixogrefile is marked readonly atm for some reason11:26
ugaquixogre: because only root can edit it11:27
ugakdesu kate =)11:27
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emilsedghthis kdesu thing is abusing, there should be a way to improve this...11:28
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Bleepscorp: although this is  a guide for hacking the modem, just look at the screenshots  to get a glimps of the options in the settingspage of my modem11:28
ardchoilleemilsedgh: abusing?11:28
fdovingemilsedgh: kdesu is replaced with kdesudo in gutsy, it seems much better to me.11:29
quixogreuga: done11:29
emilsedghi mean it is making difficulties11:29
ugaquixogre: now stop kdm, sudo rmmod nvidia, and try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start. it should load just fine11:29
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ugaxorg should reload the nvidia driver on its own when starting11:29
quixogrekk. brb. hopefully this works....11:30
ugathrough modprobe that we just now fixed11:30
emilsedghi think the ideal way should be 'if there is not enough access, ask for password', but i think this cannot be done easily because of design11:30
ugaquixogre: it will11:30
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ardchoillefdoving: Is kdesudo the one with the small window asking which app to run as which user?11:30
fdovingardchoille: no, it's a drop-in replacement for kdesu11:30
ugaemilsedgh: that'd need to be done through kde mods. Not sure if anything like that is being discussed for kde411:31
fdovingthat is http://launchpad.net/kdesudo11:31
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ugaemilsedgh: through filemanager modifications11:31
ardchoillefdoving: Yeah, I think that's the one that runs a small gui if you run kdesudo by itself. This is the way gksudo used to work in gnome11:32
fdovingardchoille: kdesudo doesn't do that, it just says you didn't give any arguments and you'll be able to click 'ok'11:32
ardchoillefdoving: Oh, ok. I wonder why they switched.11:33
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ugaquixogre: ?11:34
fdovingardchoille: kdesudo is more reliable, kdesu have it's own set of problems.11:34
ardchoilleOk, I think I see. Normally we used sudo for cli apps and kdesu for gui apps. It looks like kdesudo will be for both types of apps11:34
ugaardchoille: afaik kdesu uses kdesudo?11:35
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ugaie, kdesu uses sudo internally, it's modded11:35
ardchoilleuga: kdesudo is not present on my machine11:35
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ugaoh ok11:35
fdovinguga: kdesudo uses sudo, kdesu uses some library.11:35
emilsedghi still need to killall kdesud...11:35
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ugafdoving: anyway, I mean both do sudoing11:35
ardchoillefdoving: So there are no more problems with using sudo for gui apps in Gutsy?11:36
lovrehello all, can i as a total linux noob get some help here please?11:36
ugawith its timeouts etc11:36
ugain kubuntu11:36
uga(unlike standard kde)11:36
ardchoille!ask | lovre11:36
ubotulovre: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)11:36
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quixogreuga: im dancing at your next wedding mate. thanks11:36
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fdovingardchoille: i have not experienced any since upgrading to gutsy, that's 2-3months or something like that. don't remember exactly.11:36
ugaquixogre: np =)11:36
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ardchoillefdoving: ok. This kdesudo is a good thing then :)11:37
ugaquixogre: remember that, having installed nvidia drivers manually, on the next kernel upgrade, you'll have to reinstall the driver11:37
ugaie, run the nvidia installer11:37
fdovingardchoille: yeah, let's hope so :)11:37
quixogreuga, now that my config files are properly set up, should be a walk in the park ;)11:37
ugaquixogre: that will build the driver for the new kernel. Reboot and will be fine11:37
lovrehow do i install a simplest program in kubuntu? i dont get it, there is no install executive or anything? i really want to use linux instead of windows, but i cant even install a simple program. SO if someone would please help me that would be great.  Please... and PM would be great. Thanx11:37
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quixogrelovre: sudo apt-get will install most programs for you. it'll even go out, download them too11:38
fdoving!software | lovre11:38
ubotulovre: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents11:38
ardchoillefdoving: The only problem with it is when people come in here for help after Gutsy is released won't be able to run kdesudo when advised to do so.11:38
ardchoilleif they're still on Feisty, Edgy or Dapper11:39
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lovrethank you all ,ill read trought that and see if i lear anything. I dont want to give up on linux :S11:39
fdovingardchoille: tell them all to use kdesu, kdesudo is to some degree commandline compatible with kdesu, and the kdesudo package symlinks /usr/bin/kdesu to /usr/bin/kdesudo11:40
ardchoillelovre: :)11:40
ardchoillefdoving: It symlinks? Awesome.11:40
ardchoilleNo problem then11:40
fdovinglovre: be sure to get back here with any questions if the documentation is confusing or unclear. good luck :)11:40
ScorpKinglovre: it's a bit confusing in the beginning but hang in there, it will get easy. :D11:40
quixogreokay, how does kdesudo differ from kdesudo?11:41
quixogreokay, how does kdesudo differ from kdesu?11:41
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fdovingquixogre: kdesudo tries to have less problems.11:41
ubuntu_i got a not broken copy ^_^11:41
ubuntu_at last!11:41
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ardchoillequixogre: KdeSudo is a frontend for sudo. Unlike kdesu, it uses directly sudo as backend.11:41
ScorpKingi think that was a bug fix or two11:41
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jenniThank you for whoever helped me in the week hours last day11:42
ugalovre: well, the idea is petty simple. In windows, you search for the setup files online, download them and install them. in kubuntu, you just don't need to search and download yourself. Just go into kmenu->system->manage packages-> and select al the packages you want to install11:42
jenniturned out the 3 copies i downloaded had something wrong with them, i did the bittorent and it works wonderfuly, im partitioning my old windows section to have duel boot :D11:42
ugait's all (or almost all there)11:42
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ScorpKingjenni: welcome to linux. :D11:43
ugalovre: it's like when you uninstall packages in windows, but same for installing too11:43
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quixogrepity windows doesnt have a package manager. would make installing everquest SO much easier11:44
ugafdoving: I find that page is too deep for an introduction11:44
ScorpKinghihi poison--! :)11:44
ugafdoving: people won't be downloading .deb or .sh files for some time11:44
angasulewhat exactly is the update policy for programs in feisty? for example, ktorrent has a bug that causes a crash and has been fixed upstream, any chance we'll benefit from it or we have to wait till gutsy?11:44
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quixogreangasule: its only two weeks...less if your willing to risk the beta software11:45
ardchoilleangasule: Don't know. kxdocker in the repos has been broken for a while, so some packages may not ever get bugfixes.11:45
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ugaangasule: I guess that depends on the package maintainer of the specific package11:45
angasulequixogre: I'm more interested in knowing the policy than the actual fix11:45
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fdovinguga: experience tells me some already have the program they want, either .exe .tar.gz or .rpm/.deb, when they don't figure out how to install it they come here. Explaining everything to make a simplified big picture can be a good thing too, imo.11:46
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ScorpKingfdoving: i11:46
Daisuke_Idogot my first experience manually troubleshooting an apt issue earlier11:46
Daisuke_Idoand lived to tell the tale!11:46
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ScorpKingi have to agree on that. :)11:46
ugafdoving: it's a shame rightclick->actions->install got removed11:47
lovrethank you everyone for your answers :D11:47
lovrei feel better now11:47
fdovinguga: it did? - gdebi-kde is here for gutsy.11:47
quixogreanyone know what flavor of linux google.com runs on?11:47
ugafdoving: oh, maybe it's not installed by default?11:47
Daisuke_Idoprobably one of their own brewing11:47
ScorpKinglovre: you'er welcome. do come back next time.11:47
ugaoh, it's installed here...11:48
ugafdoving: ah, I see... "open with"11:48
uganot actions->install11:48
ugaso clicking straight works11:48
ugaheh, silly me =)11:48
ScorpKingis there a screenshot pastbin somewhere?11:48
ugaScorpKing: imageshack.us?11:49
angasuleScorpKing: imageshack, maybe?11:49
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rass1c'3 nessuno?11:49
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