[12:40] <intelikey> ok. dispence with the sarcasm already genii   ;)))
[12:40] <genii> :)
[12:40] <intelikey> i misspell everything.  and we all know it.
[12:41] <genii> not commands
[12:41] <genii> (usually)
[12:41] <intelikey> ;/
[12:41] <bleep3> nopes it didnt work
[12:41] <ScorpKing> bleep3: edit /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf as root
[12:42] <bleep3> ok
[12:42] <ScorpKing> prepend domain-name-servers 195.121.1.34, 195.121.1.66;
[12:42] <intelikey> yeah i don't think /etc/resolv.conf is sticky in default *buntu systems...    i don't really know, i have never ran a defaulte *buntu more than five minutes.
[12:42] <ScorpKing> that needs to go above request subnet-mask, broadcast-address, time-offset, routers,
[12:43] <intelikey> couldn't stand it any longer than that....
[12:43] <bleep3> ah ok
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[12:43] <ScorpKing> that will prevent /etc/resolv.conf to change to useless
[12:44] <bleep3> save?
[12:44] <ScorpKing> yes
[12:44] <bleep3> done
[12:44] <bleep3> brb
[12:44] <ScorpKing> try sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart when you have the cable in.
[12:44] <genii> Now you need ifdow/ifup the adapter
[12:45] <bleep3> ok
[12:45] <ScorpKing> i see
[12:45] <genii> *ifdown/ifup
[12:45] <ScorpKing> lol
[12:45] <ScorpKing> uhm...
[12:45] <bleep3> ifdown/ifup after betworking restart?
[12:45] <ScorpKing> yes
[12:45] <bleep3> ok
[12:45] <bleep3> brb
[12:45] <ScorpKing> k
[12:45] <Creationist225> I just did a fresh install of Kubuntu Gutsy Beta, then ran the updates, then install my restricted nVidia video driver.  Now my resolution is really funky and I can't change it.  Anyone have any input for me?  (I've already asked in #ubuntu+1 but no one can help)
[12:46] <ScorpKing> Creationist225: is it to big?
[12:46] <genii> bleep3: Either is good. init.d restarts the whole thing. ifdown ethX ifup ethX just that adapter
[12:46] <ScorpKing> genii: he will be bleep4 just now. :)
[12:46] <intelikey> isn't there an  ifup_down  script  also    err may not be the name...   but a command that will just cycle the network.     i think i remember seeing that.
[12:47] <Creationist225> ScorpKing: Well, as it is right now, my screen only fills about 3/4 of my monitor and the image is distorted.  Doesn't matter which resolution I choose in System Settings, it doesn't change at all.
[12:47] <genii> I guess you could HUP it
[12:47] <genii> But thats just same as /etc/init.d/networking restart
[12:47] <ScorpKing> Creationist225: check the refress rate of the monitor. that might cause it.
[12:47] <ScorpKing> refresh*
[12:48] <Creationist225> ScorpKing: That's the other issue I'm having... I'm unable to select a refresh rate other than 51Hz
[12:48] <ScorpKing> Creationist225: then you'll have to change it in xorg.conf. make a backup first tho.
[12:48] <intelikey> Creationist225 sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg   <<< will let you reconfigure the X server
[12:49] <bomber> my camera is being detected but nothing else happens
[12:49] <bomber> can someone help with this?
[12:49] <intelikey> !nv | Creationist225 if you need 3D suport
[12:49] <Creationist225> intelikey: I've tried that as well... no change.
[12:49] <ubotu> Creationist225 if you need 3D suport: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:49] <ScorpKing> where is the xorg.conf file in the home dir stored?
[12:49] <genii> !webcam
[12:49] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[12:49] <bomber> not a webcam a digital camera
[12:50] <genii> bomber: Ah, OK. You have DigiKam installed?
[12:50] <bomber> yes
[12:50] <Bleep> nopes same problem
[12:50] <Creationist225> No more ideas?
[12:50] <ScorpKing> Bleep: slap it a few times
[12:50] <genii> bomber: Sounds like a driver issue then
[12:51] <genii> intelikey: Me too
[12:51] <bomber> i know it showed the pictures before
[12:51] <ScorpKing> me 3
[12:51] <bomber> im not sure if it when i was using the newer kubuntu
[12:52] <Bleep> does it clear alot if i tell you my status  in xp say:
[12:52] <bomber> i downgraded to edgy
[12:52] <ScorpKing> Bleep: yes
[12:52] <bomber> because my networking wasnt working correctly in the newer one
[12:52] <Bleep> device type: vpn     servertype PPP      transports TCP/IP   authentication  PAP   Server IP  adress 195.190.249.22
[12:53] <bomber> intelikey, thats how it was seen before
[12:53] <bomber> just as a drive
[12:53] <ScorpKing> Bleep: it should just work. maybe you should try that link you posted
[12:53] <bomber> and that was fine
[12:53] <genii> bomber: What make/model camera?
[12:53] <bomber> sony dsc f707
[12:54] <genii> bomber: OK, googling
[12:54] <bomber> thanks
[12:54] <Bleep> ok brb
[12:54] <acomaco> is it possible to startup KDE with minimal programs running so i can use my RAM maximally?
[12:54] <acomaco> or shutdown programs that is not needed?
[12:54] <acomaco> ^^
[12:56] <nrossin> ScorpKing, intelikey:  Well, I disabled my restricted video driver and restarted X.  My resolution is back to normal but I still can't change my refresh rate.
[12:56] <ScorpKing> nrossin: you can change it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:57] <genii> Bah. google is not my friend today
[12:58] <nrossin> Okay, I have to be honest, this is pissing me off.  Now whenever I try to change resolutions, all I get is that standard message saying it was "Trying the new settings..." and then asks if I want to keep them.  Problem is, it never actually changes the resolution.
[12:58] <bomber> i was looking too genii
[12:59] <bleep1> i give up....          for now
[12:59] <bleep1> thnx for the help anyway
[01:00] <sirjoshimus> does anyone know where i could get a hamachi deb?
[01:01] <genii> bomber: Right after you plug it in what does dmesg say?
[01:01] <genii> nrossin: I had this before, the settings would not take til after i logged out/back in again
[01:02] <genii> nrossin: This is with nvidia restricted driver
[01:02] <bomber> lemme see
[01:04] <ditmar> Uuhmm
[01:04] <ditmar> this chat are very interesting
[01:05] <bomber> genii, there is quite a bit
[01:06] <genii> bomber: Well, all we need is about the last 4 lines from RIGHT after you plug in the device. Use pastebin website if very long
[01:06] <genii> !pastebin
[01:06] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:09] <genii> bomber: When you have a horribly long file you just need the end of, you can "tail" it eg:   dmesg | tail
[01:09] <genii> (in this case)
[01:10] <bomber> http://pastebin.com/m3f2a72e8
[01:10] <genii> OK, reading
[01:11] <genii> bomber: so it looks like sdb1 corresponds to your camera. Does it have 128Mb stick in it?
[01:11] <bomber> yes
[01:13] <quixogre> evening all
[01:13] <genii> bomber: Please pastebin file   /etc/fstab
[01:13] <genii> I will go for a smoke while that happens :) Back in a minute or so
[01:13] <bomber> ok    how do i view that?
[01:13] <quixogre> !pastebin
[01:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:13] <bomber> just less it?
[01:14] <NickPresta> bomber, in a Konsole, type: cat /etc/fstab and then copy it
[01:14] <quixogre> bomber, open it with kate
[01:14] <bomber> ahhh cat... ok thaks
[01:15] <quixogre> stupid gnat on my screen. thought my mouse was freakin out or somethin
[01:15] <bomber> http://pastebin.com/m11d93159
[01:16] <quixogre> anyone here set up NVIDIA drivers on 7.04? having some problems
[01:16] <NickPresta> quixogre, I use the nVidia drivers
[01:16] <bomber> quixogre, is that the newest kubuntu?
[01:17] <NickPresta> quixogre, i use the 9631 drivers
[01:18] <npurciful> I got a question is there issues with ubuntu reading certain type of dvds and cds? my drive supports the disk but ubuntu wont reconise it
[01:18] <quixogre> nick. they crash xserver everytime i run with the nvidia drivers...http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39319/this is the log file. notice at the end, looks like the nvidia drivers mismatch what the systems expecting...anyone seen this problem before?
[01:19] <genii> bomber: Ok, We need in the fstab file to put an entry for the /dev/sdb1 device which corresponds now to the camera. Also a spot to mount it to. So i suggest to make a dir for it under /media   like: sudo mkdir /media/sony
[01:19] <genii> bomber: Then we will need the UUID, so please report result of command: blkid|grep sdb2
[01:20] <genii> bomber: then I will give you a line to add to the /etc/fstab file
[01:20] <NickPresta> quixogre, can you post your xorg.conf? And are you sure you have the drivers installed? Can you run `nvidia-settings`?
[01:20] <quixogre> nick. positive i've got em installed...not using them atm, just using nv drivers
[01:21] <bomber> no output
[01:21] <quixogre> so my xorg.conf wouldnt give any hints
[01:21] <quixogre> the problem is, when i load the xorg.conf that is created for the nvidia drivers, x11 crashes
[01:22] <genii> bomber: It is plugged in and blkid|grep sdb2   reports no output?
[01:22] <quixogre> so the only way to show you the "bad" xorg.conf is to crash xwindows
[01:22] <bomber> yes i got it with this
[01:22] <ScorpKing> genii: looking for uuidgen /dev/* ?
[01:22] <jim> Hi I'm about to replace my Dual Boot windoze and FC6 with Dual Boot Kubuntu and Windoze. Should I just remove my 2 linux partitions (/boot and fc6)   with fdisk -d devicename (ie. hda1 and hda2)
[01:22] <Mac40DO> Hi! Why did Kubuntu remove  "settings -> save view changes per folder" from Konqueror?
[01:23] <quixogre> i dont rhink its a problem with the xorg.conf. you'll notice the log file parses through all the xorg.conf stuff no worries
[01:23] <genii> ScorpKing: Perhaps :)
[01:23] <ScorpKing> :)
[01:23] <bomber> i mounted it mount /dev/sdb1 sdb1 and i can see the files
[01:25] <genii> bomber: The idea is we need the uuid so no matter what other devices you plug to the usb it will always know the sony is uuid<whatever uuid>
[01:25] <bomber> ok i didnt get an output with that command
[01:25] <bomber> should it be off or on?
[01:26] <bomber> the camera
[01:26] <bomber> it was on
[01:26] <genii> bomber: OK, so the ScorpKing's suggestion instead,:   uuidgen /dev/sdb2
[01:26] <genii> bomber needs to be on
[01:26] <bomber> ok
[01:27] <Bleep> uhm question... when i click "knetworkmanager" in menu it doesnt work?
[01:28] <Bleep> nothing happens
[01:28] <genii> ScorpKing: Thanks :)
[01:28] <genii> !helpersnack | scorpking
[01:28] <ubotu> scorpking: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!
[01:29] <ScorpKing> lol @ genii. ty
[01:29] <bomber> uuidgen /dev/sdc1
[01:29] <bomber> 25f33455-45f3-4eba-83e1-4d2753e35e96
[01:29] <ScorpKing> Bleep: is it not in the system tray?
[01:29] <quixogre> wb bleep. still trying to get linux working?
[01:29] <bomber> i shut it off and when i turned it back on it changed from sdb1 to sdc1
[01:30] <Bleep> well is it the same?
[01:30] <genii> bomber: We want sdB1 that is what dmesg reported the sony at, not sdC1
[01:30] <nrossin> OKay, so Gutsy doesn't support my printer... Feisty did.  What the crap?
[01:30] <bomber> for some reason so that the output of uuidgen /dev/sdc1
[01:30] <jim> Any takers for this one:  I'm about to replace my Dual Boot windoze and FC6 with Dual Boot Kubuntu and Windoze. Should I just remove my 2 linux partitions (/boot and fc6)   with fdisk -d devicename (ie. hda1 and hda2)
[01:30] <genii> bomber: Lowercase b of course
[01:30] <quixogre> neither gutsy NOR feisty support either one of my printers...so be thankful
[01:31] <bomber> genii it changed to sdc1
[01:31] <bomber> i shut it off and when i turned it back on it had a new number
[01:31] <nrossin> quixogre: At least you have consistency.  This happened with Feisty too... it didn't support the same hardware that Edgy did.
[01:31] <ScorpKing> Bleep: i'm lost and out of ideas. :(
[01:31] <genii> bomber: this is one reason why we need the UUID
[01:31] <quixogre> jim, boot from the kubuntu CD. use the gui application to reformat drives. MUCH simpler
[01:32] <bomber> thats the uuid for sure
[01:32] <genii> bomber: OK, we will try with that one :) a minute, i will compose a line to add to your /etc/fstab
[01:32] <bomber> sweet... thanks a lot
[01:32] <jim> quixogre:will it leave my windoze there?
[01:33] <Bleep> lol ive digged into the forums
[01:33] <quixogre> nrossin. im using two different types of dell prionters. dell has NO linux support. despite claims to the contrary
[01:33] <ScorpKing> Bleep: what's interesting there?
[01:33] <genii> bomber: Open with admin privelege the file by:   kdesu kate /etc/fstab
[01:33] <evan__> any idea y my kubuntu pc does not show-up in network of win pc, but i can see win pc & send files to them. both machines show up on wireless router
[01:33] <Bleep> they say that you can isntall a VPN plugin for knetworkmanager
[01:33] <genii> bomber: then add this:  UUID=25f33455-45f3-4eba-83e1-4d2753e35e96 /media/sony auto user,auto,rw 0 0
[01:33] <nrossin> lol so I'm trying to be a good user and file bug reports ... but Good Lord!  EVERYTHING I'm trying to do has some serious bugs in it.
[01:33] <genii> bomber: then save it
[01:34] <quixogre> jim, gparted...it let me resize my windoze partition, without reinstalling windoze
[01:34] <Bleep> i cant find the package though
[01:34] <genii> bomber: If the directory /media/sony does not yet exist you can make it by:   sudo mkdir /media/sony
[01:34] <nrossin> quixogre: I'm using a very popular Epson Stylus... but nope, Kubuntu Gutsy doesn't have drivers for it.
[01:34] <ScorpKing> !samba | evan__:
[01:34] <ubotu> evan__:: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[01:34] <ScorpKing> Bleep: have a link for me?
[01:35] <quixogre> evan__: NOW you need samba running
[01:35] <nrossin> ...i wish I'd known that.  I would have stuck with Feisty for a couple months yet.
[01:35] <Bleep> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3081799.0
[01:35] <evan__> ubotu: samba on the win box!?
[01:35] <ScorpKing> evan__: no. linux so win can see it.
[01:35] <quixogre> evan__: no. run samba on the linux box. this way, the windows boxes will be able to see the linux drives
[01:36] <evan__> i am using konqeror to see my win box
[01:36] <quixogre> evan__: linux is pretty good at getitng along with windows. its windows that doesnt like to play well with others
[01:36] <evan__> that makes sense, beacuse i can see them, but they cant see me
[01:37] <quixogre> evan__:  to solve the problem, run samba. that will let your windows boxes see your linux drives as if they were windows drives
[01:37] <Bleep> check under "VPN support"   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/NetworkManager
[01:37] <jim> quixogre: I don't want to resize my windoze partition though just leave as is. Are you saying the app. on the CD will get rid of my 2 linux partitions and leave windoze intact, then install kubuntu where FC6 used to be and install boot loader that will allow me to also load windoze when I need to.
[01:38] <evan__> ok guys thanks for the links and support, i will check them out
[01:38] <quixogre> jim, it will let you do whatever you want with whatever you want. and give you a nice GUI to do it in to boot
[01:38] <ScorpKing> Bleep: i'm checking...
[01:39] <jim> ok , does that happen during install process or there is another app on the CD for that?
[01:39] <bomber> it didnt work
[01:39] <genii> bomber: After this, you should always be able to see the camera contents from Konqueror in "Storage Media" section
[01:39] <quixogre> jim, kubuntu uses grub, just like FC6. once you've got linux installed, just go to a linux command line, and type "grub-install hd0" that will install grub onto your primary HD
[01:40] <ScorpKing> Bleep: if you try that the i don't think you'll need network-manager-gnome as knetworkmanager is installed
[01:40] <Bleep> ah ok
[01:40] <Bleep> its KDe:)
[01:41] <bomber> genii,  it didnt work
[01:42] <jim> quixogre ok thanks here goes, hopefully I'll be back in an hour running Kubuntu : )
[01:42] <bomber> now its sdd1
[01:42] <quixogre> jim good hunting ;)
[01:42] <genii> bomber: When you do: mount                             by itself, does it show sdc1 as being mounted someplace?
[01:43] <quixogre> anyone seen uga? need to bug him about soem nvidia driver stuff
[01:44] <bomber> sdb1 is
[01:44] <ScorpKing> quixogre: nope.
[01:44] <genii> bomber: OK, likely from when you did mount command earlier. You maybe never umount the sdb1
[01:44] <quixogre> any other NVIDIA gurus lurking about? trying to get my NVIDIA linux drivers to work, and having a problem http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39319/
[01:45] <bomber> ahh
[01:45] <waltercool> someone can make work teamspeak using wine or cedega?
[01:45] <biovore> use aoss emulation.. wine and teamspeak will fight over /dev/dsp
[01:45] <ScorpKing> good luck with all the fun. bedtime for me. nite guys! :D
[01:45] <genii> waltercool: Why, when gaim has a TeamSpeak plugin?
[01:46] <waltercool> gaim?
[01:46] <waltercool> genii: gaim, the chat?
[01:46] <genii> yes
[01:46] <genii> now pidgin
[01:46] <waltercool> kopete have something simmilar? xD
[01:46] <genii> kopete I dunno
[01:46] <waltercool> i need it for World of Warcraft voice xD
[01:47] <bomber> im getting 2 windows popping up now asking what to do with the media when i plug it in
[01:47] <genii> bomber: Weird but progress
[01:47] <bomber> yes indeed
[01:48] <quixogre> genii: sounds like its trying to mount it in two places...
[01:48] <genii> bomber: Does that camera have 2 storage onboard? Like a memory stick plus internal storage
[01:49] <bomber> well it shows as having 2 folders... 1 for the pics and 1 for the movies
[01:49] <waltercool> alsa works bad in World of Warcraft
[01:49] <waltercool> sorry
[01:49] <waltercool> oss
[01:49] <genii> bomber: Hmmm. I'm not sure why the 2 prompts.
[01:50] <bomber> beats me.. neither one makes the camera work either
[01:50] <bomber> 1 had to mount it manually again
[01:50] <genii> bomber: so it is mounting where we told it, under /media/sony   ?  or autogenerated /media/sdX#       ?
[01:51] <bomber> its not mounting unless i do it manually... i munted it under /media/sont
[01:51] <bomber> ./media/sony
[01:52] <bomber> now i umunted it and shut it off again
[01:53] <zolix> eny body see argus here ?
[01:53] <genii> bomber: Try another usb port, turn it on again. Tell if 1 or 2 windows asking what to do
[01:54] <NickPresta> !away > quixogre_away
[01:54] <zolix> apt-get install arping
[01:54] <zolix> wow not this window :)
[01:54] <zolix> sorry
[01:57] <NickPresta> Coffee keeps me up all night :)
[01:57] <sampson> i tried installing the kde4 beta for gutsy yet it seems like a lot of files aren't...there anymore?
[01:57] <genii> Me too
[01:58] <sampson> there's no startkde in /usr/lib/kde4/bin and there's no kde4.desktop either
[01:58] <sampson> did the steps change from what is on the site to install it?
[01:58] <bomber> genii, 2 prompts
[01:58] <KGIS> !backports
[01:58] <ubotu> If new updated Ubuntu packages are built for an application, then they go into Ubuntu Backports. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports - See also !packaging
[01:59] <bomber> when i click it says malformed url
[01:59] <genii> bomber: Hmm. Previously, was the /media/terrabyte     where it was being mounted?
[01:59] <vagman> ya
[01:59] <bomber> nope.. thats my external maxtor terrabyte drive
[02:00] <sampson> i followed these steps for kde4...do they not work anymore? http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta1.php
[02:01] <Dragnslcr> sampson- I'm pretty sure Beta 2 is available now
[02:01] <sampson> it has the same steps...i followed them to a t yet neither feisty or gutsy installed all the files
[02:02] <hcbox> i'm installing sim city 4 with wine, and he dont want to read cd2 ( i use iso )
[02:04] <genii> bomber: There was a malformed line in your fstab previously, for the floppy drive. It had only /dev and not /dev/fd0 as a device. But i do not see how it could be affecting the other. As well the parameters we gave should be fine. eg:  auto (for filesystem type) auto(for automount) user(for normal users to mount) rw (read-write)
[02:05] <bomber> odd
[02:05] <genii> bomber: could add "defaults" as an option
[02:05] <genii> bomber: eg: defaults,user,auto,rw 0 0
[02:06] <bomber> lemme try it
[02:06] <genii> just before where we had "user", with a comma
[02:06] <intelikey> genii auto and user both,  if it's automounted then root did it.
[02:07] <genii> intelikey: You think eliminate "user" or "auto
[02:07] <genii> "bah tired :)
[02:07] <bomber> lol.. me too.. thanks for the help though
[02:08] <genii> bomber: Well, you could try that :) I am not on a box where i use my camera so guessing a bit on the options neccesary
[02:08] <Minataku> cpu0 at mainbus0: DVMA coherent : MB86907 @ 170 MHz, on-chip FPU
[02:08] <Minataku> cpu0: 16K instruction (32 b/l), 16K data (32 b/l), 512K external (32 b/l): cache enabled
[02:08] <Minataku> lol
[02:08] <Minataku> Sorry X3
[02:09] <intelikey> that should allow anyone to mount it and dismount it.  also making it not automount at boot time thus root wont own it and prevent you from doing so
[02:09] <genii> intelikey: He would like if it auto-popped a window when he inserts it
[02:10] <genii> I think auto is neccesary for that
[02:10] <intelikey> if you think so.
[02:10] <genii> But my brain is fuzzy after 12 hours of being here
[02:10] <intelikey> but i don't think putting it in fstab will help that
[02:10] <zblach> hey all
[02:10] <zblach> is there a channel for the gutsy beta?
[02:10] <Dragnslcr> #ubuntu+1
[02:10] <zblach> ty
[02:11] <bomber> /dev/sda1 /media/terrabyte auto nouser,noauto,atime,auto,rw,nodev,noexec,nosuid 0 0
[02:11] <bomber> that is my external drive and it works fine
[02:11] <intelikey> auto and noauto conflict in the args  ^
[02:11] <tealson> I put a fiwi uid into my fstab to mount the device into /media/fiwi but it is still automatically mountet to /media/disk, any ideas?
[02:12] <intelikey> "noauto,atime,auto" ^
[02:12] <bomber> i can see the files and use them just fine and thats how kubuntu set it up
[02:12] <genii> bomber: Weird
[02:12] <intelikey> i don't care who did it,   it's wrong.
[02:12] <bomber> lol.. i'd love to fix it :)
[02:13] <genii> I need to get going home soon, been at work 3 hours past normal leaving-time. Intelikey you good to help bomber?
[02:14] <intelikey> one of those has to be ignored for the other to affect, and that's dumb by any standard.  you don't specify both    auto and no auto     nor  suid and no usid    nor   exec and no exec      it's just foolish to say both   do and dont in one breath
[02:14] <genii> intelikey: I wonder if it's first wins or last wins, as far as those conflicting options go
[02:15] <intelikey> genii i don't know if i'm good to help anyone.  but i'll be here for a bit.
[02:15] <bomber> it is rather foolish
[02:15] <intelikey> genii not sure but i can do a little testing to see.
[02:16] <genii> bomber: Well, even if no more progress past this at least you can manually mount and get your pics off that way
[02:16] <bomber> i'll mess with it tomorrow a  little more
[02:16] <genii> bomber: I really really need to leave :)
[02:16] <bomber> a least i can manually mount it and get my pictures on here
[02:16] <intelikey> :)
[02:16] <intelikey> gooday genii
[02:16] <bomber> i need them for selling stuff
[02:16] <bomber> thanks a lot genii
[02:16] <genii> OK, goodnight all
[02:16] <bomber> i appreciate your time and yours too intelikey
[02:16] <genii> you too intelikey :) LOL bomber: you're welcome
[02:19] <intelikey> test confirms that auto is ignored if noauto is in the string.   reguardless of order.
[02:19] <bomber> ahh
[02:21] <intelikey> for mount: version 2.12r   at least.
[02:23] <intelikey> being GNU it's subject to change with distro / version / build options / whim / act of G-d / or just bad luck.
[02:26] <Azzco> Hi I want to upgrade to the gutsy beta but my adept doesn't have the new repository functions..
[02:26] <intelikey> !gutsy
[02:26] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[02:26] <Azzco> What version of adept do I need to have to get the repository managing with tabs?
[02:27] <Azzco> Okay well this is a matter of getting adept properly set up... I only get a list when I go into the menu to manage my repositorys
[02:30] <intelikey> sed 's/feisty/gutsy/g' /etc/apt/sources.list > /etc/apt/sources.list-gutsy
[02:37] <intelikey> or warty/gutsy   or what ever you run to what ever you want.
[02:37] <Azzco> Thanks, I srill want to have the tabs in adept though..
[02:37] <intelikey> then someone that uses a gui will have to help you.
[02:37] <intelikey> i think i looked at adept one time.
[02:37] <intelikey> and it seems silly to me,  to be trying to fix an app that you intend to use to replace the same....
[02:41] <lavacano201014> wheeeeeeeeeeee
[02:43] <lavacano201014> im trying to run a program installed on my Kubuntu box through Mocha X on my Windows box. Is it even possible?
[02:44] <slussier> er....I hope Kubuntu final will have those huge bug fixed: top shows Xorg eating 40-50% cpu - I even do not move the mice!!!
[02:44] <slussier> And the KMenu propagation is messed up ...
[02:46] <vmlinuz`> hey.
[02:47] <vmlinuz`> I don't want my alt-tab to change desktops, i want it to change programs, how
[02:48] <NickPresta> vmlinuz`, I don't know how you got Alt+Tab to change desktops. It shouldn't do that by default
[02:48] <Jucato> System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[02:49] <vmlinuz`> NickPresta: it does that by default to me, i swear
[02:49] <NickPresta> vmlinuz`, I believe you. Let me figure out where you can change that behavior...
[02:49] <NickPresta> nevermind, listen to Jucato
[02:51] <vmlinuz`> ok thanks
[02:53] <vmlinuz`> does kde have problems running games via wine...
[02:54] <TiMiDo> vmlinuz`, not really are you getting any errors?
[02:57] <lavacano201014> how do i enable telnet connections?
[02:58] <vmlinuz`> TiMiDo: not an error, but i used to run these windowmode games in gnome, i alt-tab so smoothly, but in kde, when i alt-tab, it freezes for few seconds plus sound also keep choking or repeating.. u know what i mean? Only for few seconds tho
[03:06] <vmlinuz`> TiMiDo: are you still there?
[03:07] <lavacano201014> how do i enable telnet connections?
[03:11] <mneptok> lavacano201014: why would you want to?
[03:11] <mneptok> lavacano201014: it's an extremely bad idea. use ssh.
[03:11] <lavacano201014> so i can use this thingy i have that uses telnet to run X programs
[03:11] <lavacano201014> it needs telnet to connect to remote computers
[03:12] <lavacano201014> there is no setting for ssh on this program
[03:13] <vmlinuz`> why I don't have vulome in my desktop panel
[03:14] <vmlinuz`> My default kde is odd.
[03:14] <Jucato> vmlinuz`: run kmix
[03:14] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: do i run it each time i start kde?
[03:14] <Minataku> Mmmm... Lunchbox SPARC machine :3
[03:14] <Jucato> vmlinuz`: it should be saved and restarted when you logout and log in
[03:14] <Minataku> Say... is Ubuntu just for i386?
[03:14] <Minataku> I don't think I've ever checked
[03:14] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: do i run it using start > run
[03:14] <vmlinuz`> or console?
[03:15] <Jucato> vmlinuz`: or K Menu -> Multimedia -> KMix
[03:15] <vmlinuz`> ok Jucato
[03:15] <Jucato> Minataku: you do mean x86 right? coz 386 is a tad too old :)
[03:15] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: the first time i ran KDE, it pops an configuration gui. then i set my kde to look as Mac OS i think, how do i re-configure this whole gui?
[03:16] <Minataku> Jucato: You know what I mean :P
[03:16] <Jucato> you can run that app again. Alt+F2, "kpersonalizer"
[03:16] <Jucato> vmlinuz`: and yes, your default KDE isn't the default Kubuntu setup
[03:16] <Jucato> I'm guessing it's not a normal installation. you might have just apt-get install kde
[03:16] <Minataku> Technically, though, x86 refers to the 16bit architecture where it all started ;3
[03:17] <Jucato> really? doesn't x86 refer to 386, 486, 586, 686 and clones?
[03:17] <Jucato> anyway, *buntu is x86, x86_64, and unofficial PPC
[03:17] <Jucato> afaik
[03:17] <Minataku> Well, it (x86) started with the 8086/8066
[03:17] <Minataku> Er
[03:17] <Minataku> 8088
[03:18] <lavacano201014> never mind about telnet i got my ssh client to use my x server
[03:18] <Minataku> Typically, i386 is used as a catch-all for x32
[03:18] <Jucato> yeah but those aren't called x86. they're directly called 8088 etc
[03:19] <Minataku> Remember the 80186/80188 and 80286 are x86 as well
[03:19] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: yes that what i did.. is that bad?
[03:19] <Jucato> not bad. but might not be what you wanted. it depends
[03:20] <Jucato> although it does install dozens and dozens of apps you might not have wanted/needed to install in the first place
[03:20] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: ok, how to re-open this configuration.
[03:20] <Jucato> re-open what?
[03:20] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: I remember it shows me the command "To re-do this configuration type blah" but i forget it
[03:21] <vmlinuz`> that was the first time i ever ran kde
[03:21] <Jucato> I already told you how
[03:21] <Jucato> [09:16]  <Jucato> you can run that app again. Alt+F2, "kpersonalizer"
[03:21] <vmlinuz`> thanks
[03:30] <vmlinuz`> where can i find monitor resulotion
[03:31] <Jucato> KControl -> Peripherals -> Display
[03:31] <Jucato> if it isn't there, you have to install the package "kde-guidance"
[03:32] <Jucato> btw, by installing "kde"  only, you don't get any of the kubuntu default settings/configuration/set of apps that are installed by default
[03:32] <Jucato> (although you do get some of the common ones)
[03:32] <mneptok> 8086/8088 are not x86 or i386
[03:32] <vmlinuz`> do you recommend removing kde and installing kubuntu the better way?
[03:33] <mneptok> x86/i386 implies a full 32-bit path. nothing prior to the 80386sx offered this
[03:34] <Jucato> removing kde wont' do anything now, since it will remove only that package, and not anything else you installed. you could install the package kubuntu-desktop to get the Kubuntu defaults
[03:34] <SETKEH-NRNS> k ubuntu looks heaps better than Ubuntu
[03:34] <SETKEH-NRNS> lool
[03:48] <vmlinuz`> ok im installing kubuntu-desktop, does it overwrite anything..?
[03:48] <SETKEH-NRNS> no
[03:49] <SETKEH-NRNS> thats if you mean stuff on that distro if its installed to your hard drive
[03:49] <SETKEH-NRNS> if it not on you hard drive and you dont know how partitions work it will wipe you hard drive clean
[04:06] <vmlinuz`> which is better gdm or kdm as a display manager?
[04:07] <mneptok> vmlinuz`: that's subjective.
[04:07] <vmlinuz`> i havent tried both so tell me ur opinion ;o
[04:08] <mneptok> well, i'm a GNOME Foundation member and sysadmin.
[04:08] <mneptok> want my "unbiased" opinion?
[04:08] <mneptok> use what you prefer.
[04:08] <mneptok> :)
[04:08] <biovore> rgr.. both have there ups and downs..
[04:09] <biovore> both are better then windows.. imo.
[04:09] <mneptok> "than" ;)
[04:10] <Daisuke_Ido> a grammar nazi after my own heart :D
[04:10] <biovore> hehe
[04:11] <Daisuke_Ido> vmlinuz`: gdm vs. kdm is simple
[04:11] <Daisuke_Ido> integration
[04:11] <Daisuke_Ido> which desktop environment do you use more?
[04:11] <vmlinuz`> kde
[04:11] <mneptok> then there it is
[04:11] <Daisuke_Ido> then kdm might be a good idea
[04:11] <vmlinuz`> thanks
[04:11] <vmlinuz`> brb reboot x
[04:12] <Daisuke_Ido> afaik, unless things have changed, you can only log out from a DE that isn't...  i dunno what i'm trying to say.  you can only log out of kde using gdm (no reboot)
[04:12] <Daisuke_Ido> and vice versa
[04:13] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: krhm
[04:15] <Daisuke_Ido> that's how i understood it, anyway
[04:15] <Daisuke_Ido> i could be wrong (and judging by Tm_T's response, i am)
[04:16] <Tm_T> Daisuke_Ido: no, you were right, but you did hilight me earlier
[04:16] <Tm_T> by using word "nazi" too lightly
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> ahh
[04:17] <Daisuke_Ido> my apologies
[04:18] <vmlinuz`> KControl -> Peripherals -> Display .... But i can't find Peripherals in Kcontrol. what does that means.
[04:18] <Daisuke_Ido> i'll amend that to something like...  psycho grammar corrector :)
[04:19] <Jucato> vmlinuz`: this is after you installed kubuntu-desktop?
[04:19] <Jucato> but there should be peripherals there... are you sure you're using KControl and not System Settings?
[04:19] <SETKEH-NRNS> whats irc official sever adress???
[04:19] <Daisuke_Ido> uh
[04:19] <Daisuke_Ido> you're here
[04:19] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: yep
[04:19] <Jucato> SETKEH-NRNS: which server? freenode? irc.freenode.net
[04:20] <Jucato> vmlinuz`: then try System Settings -> Monitor & Display
[04:20] <SETKEH-NRNS> Jucato any server that can help me put up and irc server (if its possible)
[04:21] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: that works, thanks.
[04:22] <Jucato> SETKEH-NRNS: um.. sorry, don't know much about setting up your own irc
[04:22] <bennykravitz> hallo kann mir hier jemand helfen?
[04:22] <Jucato> !de
[04:22] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:22] <Jucato> (just a guess...)
[04:22] <SETKEH-NRNS> lol
[04:22] <bennykravitz> thanks ;)
[04:23] <NightBird> yeah, that looks german to me
[04:23] <SETKEH-NRNS> it is
[04:24] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: whats kde default media player?
[04:24] <SETKEH-NRNS> hallo = hello
[04:24] <Jucato> vmlinuz`: default KDE would be noatun... but the one that comes with Kubuntu is Kaffeine
[04:25] <Jucato> um. noatun (videos+anything) and juk (audio)
[04:26] <vmlinuz`> Jucato: because I dunno whats wrong. the player isn't work for some reason.
[04:27] <Jucato> !doesntwork
[04:27] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[04:27] <vmlinuz`> its noatun
[04:27] <vmlinuz`> whenever I play "It stopped"
[04:27] <Jucato> like I said, the default that comes w/ Kubuntu is Kaffeine
[04:32] <Linus____> SETKEH-NRNS, you might find some of what you're looking for here?  < http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg >
[04:34] <npurciful> I got a question, i once had 3 hdd in my computer (just have 2 now) hda hdb hdd well hdd use to be hda and was my root w/boot and now hda is a new 320g hdd. so i install kubuntu on the new hda install grub to hda but grub also added hdd1 to menu list under 'other'. i no long have hdd hooked up and grub still has it list. So i did grub-install -recheck /dev/hda, grub install then run update-grub to update menu.lst but it is
[04:34] <npurciful> still there
[04:35] <npurciful> sorry long post
[04:36] <npurciful> hdd1 is listed but doesnt exist
[04:36] <fignew> ahh
[04:36] <fignew> ok
[04:36] <npurciful> somewhere grub thinks it is there
[04:37] <joseph_> anyone gotten wow to work on linux. without paying?
[04:37] <npurciful> you mean with wine
[04:37] <joseph_> yes
[04:38] <fignew> npurciful: have you tried grub-install -recheck /dev/hdd
[04:38] <fignew> it might see that it no longer exists
[04:38] <npurciful> yes i have
[04:38] <GUMMM> wow?
[04:38] <npurciful> i check the device.map it isnt there
[04:39] <GUMMM> u got wow to work?
[04:39] <Jucato> !wow
[04:39] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[04:39] <Jucato> and for wine info, #winehq
[04:39] <fignew> npurciful: you can edit /boot/grub/menu.lst
[04:40] <fignew> but that's prob. not the "correct" debian way of doing it
[04:40] <npurciful> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=6482
[04:40] <npurciful> yeah, i know i could do that i was just trying to figure out why it is doing that
[04:41] <npurciful> i though maybe boot to cd and reinstall grub from there
[04:42] <npurciful> I am new to linux 7months and i fix thing by breaking my system all the time
[04:42] <npurciful> you know that saying if it isnt broke dont fix it? my is "If it is fixed, break it"
[04:43] <fignew> does sudo "dpkg-reconfigure grub" fix it?
[04:43] <fignew> whoop
[04:43] <fignew> does "sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub" fix it?
[04:43] <fignew> better :)
[04:44] <Jucato> !grub
[04:44] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:44] <Jucato> might find some useful commands there
[04:45] <npurciful> nope, still the same,
[04:46] <npurciful> I dont get it though the device.map doesnt show hdd
[04:48] <fignew> just remove the entry in menu.lst
[04:49] <Sassuke> kann was passieren wenn ich installation einfach abbreche ?
[04:49] <Sassuke> weil es geht einfach nicht mehr weiter :-/
[04:50] <Jucato> !de | Sassuke
[04:50] <ubotu> Sassuke: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:50] <Jucato> (isn't that from Naruto? O.o)
[04:50] <Sassuke> damn schon wieder falscher channel sorry sorry sorry ^^
[04:51] <jhutchins> Sassuke: Sorry, but I can't quite parse that.
[04:51] <Jucato> invalid syntax
[05:00] <nrossin> Is Dolphin capable of showing previews of video files as well?
[05:01] <Jucato> nrossin: same ways as konqueror
[05:03] <nrossin> Jucato: I haven't used KDE in a long time.  Just installed the Gutsy beta today.
[05:03] <nrossin> Jucato: I just know that with Nautilus, they showed up automatically.... in Dolphin, they don't.
[05:03] <Jucato> you need to have libarts1-xine installed
[05:03] <nrossin> ok
[05:04] <nrossin> Jucato: Wow... that worked ... and a LOT faster than gnome ever did lol
[05:04] <nrossin> Jucato: Thank you.
[05:05] <nrossin> Jucato: Another, non-essential but related question.  Can I make the preview under the "Information" sidebar larger?
[05:06] <kkathman> greetings Jucato :)
[05:06] <Jucato> greetings kkathman! Long Live and Prosper!
[05:06] <kkathman> lol
[05:07] <Jucato> nrossin: i think the size is fixed
[05:07] <kkathman> Jucato have you upgraded t gutsy via apt-get dist-upgrade yet??
[05:07] <kkathman> or has anyone?
[05:08] <kkathman> Ive heard mostly of disasters so far
[05:08] <mneptok> kkathman: i did
[05:08] <mneptok> kkathman: i had no problems. YMMV.
[05:08] <kkathman> There is a point where that seems to work ok. and other points where it doesn :)
[05:08] <Jucato> kkathman: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade --install-recommends
[05:09] <kkathman> mneptok:  thanks - did you have compiz-fusion going?
[05:09] <Jucato> I tried the upgrade tool first. crashed, then continued with a mix of adept and apt-get
[05:09] <mneptok> kkathman: nope.
[05:09] <Jucato> !away > capuccinio
[05:09] <kkathman> Jucato would you reccomend to wait at this point then?
[05:09] <Jucato> since it's still beta. yes I would.
[05:09] <mneptok> kkathman: i would wait the ~2 weeks for release, yeah
[05:09] <Jucato> unless you absolutely need/want to
[05:09] <kkathman> ok thanks
[05:09] <kkathman> I dont need to
[05:10] <mneptok> kkathman: i had no problems, but i'm also not the average user
[05:10] <kkathman> Im dual booting openSUSE and kubuntu so Im ok atm - openSUSE is going to 10.3 about the same time
[05:10] <kkathman> mneptok:  well Im not either - been on ubuntu since warty
[05:10] <mneptok> kkathman: the release is so close, there's no point in the risk, however small
[05:10] <kkathman> right - and Im production
[05:11] <kkathman> so I'll wait
[05:11] <Jucato> opensuse 10.3 is on thursday, mandriva 2008 on friday (I think), and gutsy on the 18th
[05:11] <Jucato> pc-bsd 1.4 last week
[05:11] <kkathman> yeah something like that
[05:11] <mneptok> kkathman: i work for Canonical and have the home phone number of every member of the distro team
[05:11] <Jucato> one hell of a quarter for KDE :)
[05:11] <Jucato> (yeah.. not fair :P)
[05:11] <kkathman> mneptok:  good to know - would love to chat sometime
[05:11] <mneptok> kkathman: that kinda safety net helps a lot when panicking ;)
[05:12] <kkathman> mneptok:  Im a bigger fan of buntu now since running openSUSE for a year
[05:12] <mneptok> it's not that i'm some sorta Linux guru. just that i have a hotline to them ;)
[05:12] <kkathman> Im a web developer - and replaced Windows 100% for about 2 years now
[05:12] <mneptok> n1badboy: please stop the public away notices
[05:13] <mneptok> too late
[05:13] <kkathman> I loved some aspects of openSUSE however and would love to share  info
[05:13] <kkathman> byt bottom line the community there was very antogonistic and mean
[05:13] <Jucato> mneptok: not really. I already sent him a warning message earlier
[05:13] <kkathman> but the product is top shellf
[05:13] <mneptok> Jucato: yeah, i'm just too nice ;)
[05:13] <kkathman> lol
[05:13] <Jucato> mneptok: I am too. but enough is too much :)
[05:14] <khaije1> is there a recommended method for encrypting my /home filesystem?
[05:14] <mneptok>  /m Jucato I AM AWAY! YOUR MESSAGE WAS LOGGED! HUGZ FROM BRASIL!!!1!!1!1
[05:14] <Admiral_Chicago> thats a dirty lie Jucato. Everyone knows how much of a troll you are :)
[05:14] <mneptok> oops
[05:14] <Jucato> lol
[05:14] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: hush speedy :)
[05:15] <Admiral_Chicago> hahahaha
[05:15] <yurimxpxman> what does alt+print scrn+l do?
[05:15] <Jucato> finally!!! I got to say that to you lol :)
[05:15] <mneptok> khaije1: encrypted filesystems are now a valid target in debian-installer. you can use the Gutsy installer.
[05:15] <Admiral_Chicago> I still need to respond to that but I've been too busy
[05:15] <mneptok> khaije1: it was disabled in the beta, but packages committed today re-enable the functionality. either wait for release or grab tomorrow's daily.
[05:16] <khaije1> mneptok: thats cool, do you know which technologies they use for that?
[05:16] <Jucato> !away > SETKEH-NRNS[A] 
[05:16] <mneptok> khaije1: dm-crypt + cryptsetup
[05:16] <Jucato> yurimxpxman: don't know abut the +l but Alt+PrntScrn takes a screenshot of the current window and puts it directly into the clipboard
[05:16] <Jucato> no ksnapshot involved
[05:17] <yurimxpxman> Jucato: try alt+prntscrn+l and tell me what it does
[05:17] <khaije1> mneptok: ok so what i'm wondering is... if i go ahead and set this up manually will it be okay w/ upgrades, and are there any mgmt tools for this sort of thing
[05:17] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: guess you've been pretty busy. you should eat some more btw.. getting really thin there :)
[05:17] <Daisuke-Laptop> if he's away, he probably won't get that message :)
[05:17] <mneptok> khaije1: cryptsetup and/or LUKS
[05:18] <Jucato> Daisuke-Laptop: it's sent in a PM, he'll get it later
[05:18] <khaije1> mneptok: thank ya!
[05:18] <mneptok> yessir
[05:19] <Jucato> yurimxpxman: um. does it hang the system or what? I can't afford to test that right now
[05:19] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: I've always been thin actually. Well I'm off to do hw
[05:19] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: hehe ok. have fun :)
[05:20] <yurimxpxman> Jucato: idk. I was just reading about it, and it's supposed to ask you which desktop to screenshot or something, but I can't get it to work
[05:20] <Jucato> yurimxpxman: where have you read it?
[05:21] <yurimxpxman> Jucato: it was actually someone in ##linux that told me about it
[05:21] <Jucato> never heard of such a feature though... sorry
[05:22] <Jucato> might want to ask in #kde
[05:22] <yurimxpxman> ok
[05:36] <npurciful> well trying update-grub from rescue system didnt change anything, some bugger
[05:36] <npurciful> some/same
[05:37] <tzanger> good evening
[05:37] <tzanger> what is the package name I need to install to be able to listen to shoutcast streams with amarok?
[05:38] <tzanger> I though it was installed by default but it does not appear to be the case
[05:42] <ftz> It there an easy way to upgrade KDE from 3.5.6 to a new version?
[05:42] <holymoo> that is the new version
[05:43] <ftz> Doesn't 7.10 have a newer one?
[05:43] <holymoo> well when you upgrade to 7.10 you will find out, no?
[05:43] <ftz> lol.. true.  I just hate to do that when mine is running so well...
[05:44] <holymoo> i can check which packages will show me what version it is?
[05:45] <holymoo> i'm not sure your question makes sense tho
[05:45] <holymoo> on ubuntu your de gets upgraded along with new releases
[05:45] <holymoo> if you want to do some sort of backport you can compile and package the kde suite your self
[05:45] <holymoo> otherwise why even ask?
[05:47] <Jucato> KDE 3.5.7 is the latest KDE version
[05:48] <Jucato> ftz:  what version of Kubuntu are you using?
[05:49] <ftz> 7.04
[05:49] <ivanbili> how would I search for a file in kubuntu?
[05:49] <Jucato> if you're using feisty, you can upgrade to KDE 3.5.7: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-357.php
[05:49] <ftz> 3.5.6
[05:49] <ivanbili> ( from the gui )
[05:49] <Jucato> ivanbili: K Menu -> Find Files
[05:49] <ftz> ty
[05:49] <Jucato> or Alt+F2, "kfind"
[05:50] <ivanbili> also, where do I see all my "paths" so that I know where the file that is being executed is
[05:50] <ivanbili> e.g.
[05:50] <ivanbili> when I type "wish"
[05:50] <Jucato> which
[05:50] <Jucato> not wish
[05:50] <ivanbili> where is the executable?
[05:50] <Jucato> which <executable> will tell you
[05:50] <ivanbili> hehe
[05:51] <ivanbili> in that case I need which wish
[05:51] <Jucato> heh
[05:52] <ivanbili> now, where is that file where I can add shell paths?
[05:52] <ivanbili> I've done it before
[05:52] <ivanbili> bash something
[05:52] <ftz> jucato: THX Exacly what i was looking for
[05:53] <Jucato> !path
[05:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about path - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:53] <Jucato> er...
[05:53] <Jucato> ivanbili: ~/.bashrc perhaps
[05:53] <ivanbili> yes, thanks
[05:58] <newsense07> how can i get to a site in firefox with a mms:// address ?
[06:12] <Creationist> I'm running Kubunty Gutsy.  If I had problems with nvidia-glx-new (the automatically installed driver), would it be worth trying nvidia-glx?
[06:13] <shaffy> can anyone please tell me how to format a removable NTFS drive in kubuntu to FAT32?
[06:14] <Creationist> shaffy: The easiest way I know to do it is to use QtParted (best to do so from a LiveCD)
[06:14] <intelikey> if  a new driver is giving trubble,  it's always worth trying an older one.   or a newer one,  or simply a different one...
[06:14] <illusina> Can someone help me out? I can't get firefox to use my external usb mixer, but other programs work fine with it..
[06:14] <intelikey> shaffy  sudo mkfs.vfat /dev/<devicenode>
[06:14] <Lynoure> shaffy: the command is mkfs.vfat,  see man mkfs.vfat before proceeding
[06:15] <Lynoure> shaffy: or just do what intelikey said :)
[06:15] <shaffy> thanks intelikey and Lynoure.   much appreciated  :D
[06:15] <Lynoure> shaffy: but note that that will distroy your data.
[06:16] <shaffy> as long as it destroys the data on the drive i'm formatting, i'm okay with it
[06:16] <shaffy> hehe
[06:16] <Lynoure> s/distroy/destroy
[06:16] <Lynoure> yes, only on that one :)
[06:17] <intelikey> ummm on what ever device you input as the devicenode.  i.e. if you tell it to format  hda1  then hda1 gets it.   if you tell it hda  then the whole disk gets it.
[06:17] <fulat2k_> hi folks, is there any way i can find out why firefox and swiftfox is crashing after ~20-30 mins of use?
[06:18] <intelikey> fulat2k_ is it gutsy ?
[06:18] <fulat2k_> intelikey: nopes.  feisty
[06:19] <intelikey> fulat2k_ did you check the forums ?    i've seen several mention that.
[06:19] <fulat2k_> intelikey: i've even cleared out my .mozilla directory to start fresh.
[06:19] <fulat2k_> intelikey: hmm... nopes.  lemme see what i can find.  thx
[06:19] <Creationist> intelikey: Okay, I installed the nvidia-glx package, restarted X and then ran glxinfo.. but I got a lot of errors from that about "Extension GLX missing on display"
[06:19] <Creationist> Did I miss something?
[06:20] <intelikey> idk.
[06:20] <intelikey> probably just that the driver and your hardware don't jive
[06:21] <intelikey> but as you say,  was worth a try.
[06:21] <Creationist> It worked with Feisty... so I'm confused.
[06:21] <intelikey> Creationist i have no insite on gutsy.    check in #ubuntu+1  maybe someone knows
[06:22] <intelikey> could be a partial package.   i have no clue really
[06:22] <Adriana> anyone here know a way for me to make secondlife more stable on kubuntu
[06:25] <intelikey> Adriana if nothing proceeds from this channel ask in #ubuntu    just drop the k in your question so they don't just say  "go ask in #kubuntu"  ;)
[06:33] <chalcedony> does anyone use K3b ?
[06:33] <vmlinuz`> hm
[06:33] <intelikey> i have used it.
[06:33] <vmlinuz`> chalcedony: I used it before
[06:34] <vmlinuz`> after an X restart, my KSim is gone.
[06:34] <intelikey> was it uninstalled ?
[06:35] <vmlinuz`> ah sry not KSim
[06:35] <intelikey> errr removed i mean.
[06:35] <vmlinuz`> do you know in KDE desktop there is the panel that is down. and one panel in the top right? The top panel is gone for some reason.
[06:35] <chalcedony> vmlinuz`: ill have to get it back open (my kitten slept on the power supply) but i was having trouble getting it to see the files i wanted to copy
[06:35] <chalcedony> nobody seemed to understand how it works to help me
[06:37] <intelikey> vmlinuz` you can add panels if you like.    i don't know why one would vanish unless you removed something from ~/.kde/*
[06:37] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't know why he had a panel in the upper right by default anyway
[06:37] <vmlinuz`> intelikey: I haven't removed anything, it just vanished after I Jumped to gnome, then back to KDE.
[06:37] <vmlinuz`> I had alot of odd things by defualt.
[06:38] <vmlinuz`> Daisuke_Ido: it wasnt upper right, it was a panel in the top of the screen
[06:38] <vmlinuz`> Daisuke_Ido: can you show me a SS of yours?
[06:38] <intelikey> well gnome has by default two panels,   i never saw a kde that had two by default.  but i haven't seen the ubuntu default for anything past 6.6
[06:38] <vmlinuz`> intelikey: oh, so my kde is bugged before, that why i had two panels?
[06:39] <ivanbili> buffer I/O error on device sr0
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[06:39] <ivanbili> this is what I get when I try to boot from LiveCD
[06:39] <vmlinuz`> my .xsession has these two lines, is that the reason?
[06:39] <vmlinuz`> #!/bin/bash
[06:39] <vmlinuz`> sleep 4s &&
[06:39] <vmlinuz`> gnome-panel &
[06:39] <intelikey> ivanbili then you probably don't have an scsi controler
[06:39] <vmlinuz`> Daisuke_Ido: are you using KDE atm?
[06:39] <intelikey> yeah
[06:40] <Daisuke_Ido> no, gnome
[06:40] <intelikey> vmlinuz` you are running gnome panel and kicker
[06:40] <vmlinuz`> intelikey: kicker? Whats that please
[06:40] <ivanbili> it worked before
[06:40] <Daisuke_Ido> kicker is kde's panel
[06:40] <ivanbili> i mean, nothing changed in hardware
[06:40] <vmlinuz`> Daisuke_Ido: the one that is down?
[06:40] <jcs7778> I am having a problem with my terminal the ./command wont work, Ive made sure that the files i am trying to execute are permitted to execute, and ive made sure that my user is allowed to execute them ive also tried executing as sudo nothing works. It allways returns with permission denied
[06:40] <intelikey> ivanbili where did you retreve that error from ?\
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> it's just kde's panel
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> probably the one on the bottom yes
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> the one on the top, did it say...  Applications Places System
[06:41] <Daisuke_Ido> ?
[06:41] <vmlinuz`> Daisuke_Ido: yep
[06:41] <vmlinuz`> i think
[06:41] <ivanbili> ok I checked the liveCD for errors and it has some
[06:41] <vmlinuz`> not sure tho, because I forgot. its not here anymore
[06:41] <ivanbili> maybe that's it
[06:42] <intelikey> in normal kde vmlinuz`  kicker is "the" panel   in custom kde it's  all panels   in hybird kde/gnome  it might be any panel
[06:42] <vmlinuz`> ok my kde is weird
[06:43] <vmlinuz`> alot of things running from different WM's. solution? >_<
[06:43] <intelikey> ivanbili could be    maybe.    the device is the scsi raw access controler     so go from there.
[06:43] <vmlinuz`> then i have a tiny kicker :P
[06:43] <jim__> anyone know why if I make a selection in the Adept Installer my CPU jumps to 100%, using Feisty..
[06:44] <vmlinuz`> can some kde user show me his SS? anyone
[06:44] <contrast83> jim__: not sure, but are you just using Adept because it comes by default, or do you actually prefer it over the GNOME pkg. mgt. apps?
[06:45] <intelikey> you should specify "default" on that vmlinuz`
[06:45] <vmlinuz`> yea
[06:45] <Suicide_Guy2go> ok so grub updated itself and cleared my windows information from menu.lst and im not sure how to get it back
[06:45] <vmlinuz`> mighty please
[06:45] <intelikey> contrast83 are you assuming he has gnome ?    or have you talked eariler ?
[06:46] <contrast83> intelikey: neither, why?
[06:46] <jim__> contrast83: just using it cuz I just loaded Feisty now after removing FC6
[06:46] <intelikey> contrast83 cause gnome pkg. mgt.   is not avalable to him  unless he has added it,   and added it how ?   in adept maybe....
[06:47] <jim__> don't think I have Gnome yet?
[06:47] <contrast83> intelikey: umm... re-read my original question. :-)
[06:48] <intelikey> jim__ yeah that's what i was trying to explain to contrast83.     but as to your Q   how long does the spike last ?
[06:48] <contrast83> jim__: no, you don't. i was just suggesting you use the GNOME suite of pkg. mgt. programs instead of Adept, as most users that have used both find the GNOME ones better (from my experience at least)
[06:48] <intelikey> jim__ spiking cpu on package management is normal.   but it shouldn't last long.
[06:49] <contrast83> ermm... you don't need GNOME to use Synaptic, etc. $ sudo apt-get autoremove --purge adept adept-batch adept-common adept-installer adept-manager adept-notifier adept-updater && sudo apt-get install synaptic gnome-app-install
[06:49] <jim__> ya but every time I click a box beside the package name?? It lasts about 10 secs.
[06:50] <Daisuke_Ido> aptitude for the win
[06:50] <intelikey> jim__ that does seem a little long.   2 maybe.  but 10...   hmmm
[06:50] <jim__> ya, it's painful because I'm locked up every time I click the box.
[06:51] <intelikey> sounds like a bug.
[06:51] <intelikey> !bug
[06:51] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[06:52] <jim__> ok thanks I'll file something and try to use something else for now.
[06:52] <intelikey> possable that a repo in the sources.list is not accessable.  that "might" cause that,  but it should not.
[06:52] <intelikey> jim__ apt-get works.
[06:53] <jim__> I would expect that the program only goes to the Repo after I've selected all the packages I want to download, not every time I select a program?
[06:54] <jim__> intellikey: Thanks, what I thought was nice about adept is it showed we what was available . Stuff I never knew about : )
[06:55] <intelikey> checking deps "can" intail checking that a resource is avalable,   i.e. if you have a cdrom source it may check the "empty" drive
[06:55] <intelikey> one test for that would be drop a disk in the tray and see if that changes anything
[06:56] <jim__> intellikey: good point, maybe I'll try with the install CD in the machine
[06:56] <intelikey> jim__ yes.  all the gui apps for dpkg do that.   "even aptitude, if you can call ncurses a gui"
[06:57] <eljefe> i installed linuxmce a while back on my kubuntu7.04, but it took my KDE window manager away.  does anyone know how to get that back?  i don't really like this metacity or compiz or whatever it is...
[06:57] <intelikey> well actually one could even do   apt-cache search '.*' | less      and even apt will show what is avalable...  heh but it would take a month to read it all
[06:58] <intelikey> eljefe at the graphic login  choose the session  ???
[06:58] <eljefe> nope just kde and fluxbox there
[06:59] <Arkard> Hi to all here
[06:59] <eljefe> and i cannot find anything in the kcontrol (system settings)
[07:00] <Arkard> eljefe: do you speak spanish?
[07:00] <intelikey> k  then i'll have to say, off hand i don't know.  but you can probably find it by looking at the process table while the gui is running and then grep'ing for the actual process that is your desktop
[07:00] <eljefe> yes but not natively
[07:02] <intelikey> i.e.   if  metacity     grep -hiRe metacity ./ /etc/
[07:02] <jim__> intellikey: after putting CD in the 100% cpu is down to 2 secs. from 10 so a huge improvement. Thanks You. Surprised I didn't get a warning of some kind. Maybe if I start in a terminal window..
[07:03] <intelikey> jim__ yes terminal kickoff for any trubble shooting  then you get to view errors in real time
[07:03] <intelikey> and yes 2sec or less is normal.
[07:04] <intelikey> whether you realize it or not there is a lot to parse to make sure all the dependancies are met.
[07:04] <chotchki> hey guys, i just updated my gusty install for amd64... and kdeinit and kdm are all kinds of broken
[07:04] <chotchki> anyone else seeing this issue?
[07:04] <chotchki> i get some kind of core bus error
[07:04] <intelikey> !gutsy
[07:04] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[07:05] <chotchki> intelikey: gotcha
[07:07] <Arkard> people, im having problems with a server FTP
[07:07] <Arkard> i dont want to copy all my music directori in /home/ftp
[07:07] <jim__> intellikey: I wonder why the program wouldn't check dependencies etc. after I've gone through and selected the  programs I want. Then I can just walk away and let it install instead of having to experience that delay every click?
[07:07] <Arkard> is there any way to vinculate it?
[07:08] <intelikey> jim__ because if you add anything and it will require other things it wants to let you know     does it not ask about the deps as you go ?
[07:09] <intelikey> or if you click to remove blah and kde-core depends on blah   then wouldn't you want to know that removing blah will wipe out your kde ?
[07:10] <jim__> intellikey: No doen't say a peep  just keeps me waiting till I see an x in each box beside the program name after I click it
[07:11] <intelikey> heh  or  mdk-package for that matter....    lol
[07:11] <intelikey> drake-package-manager  i mean.
[07:11] <jim__> intelikey: ya , think I'll try that from now on. Thanks for all your help.
[07:11] <intelikey> which isn't in ubuntu at all.
[07:12] <intelikey> jim__ at any rate.   use what works for you.
[07:13] <jim__> intelikey: ya good advice. Thanks again : )
[07:13] <intelikey> np
[07:15] <intelikey> !dpkg
[07:15] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[07:15] <intelikey> !adept
[07:15] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[07:15] <intelikey> !synaptic
[07:15] <ubotu> synaptic is Ubuntu's Graphical Package Manager. For a good howto see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[07:16] <intelikey> !aptitude
[07:16] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[07:16] <intelikey> Q.   what do linux users do ?
[07:16] <intelikey> A.   they install software.
[07:17] <reldruh> I just installed Ubuntu server edition on my laptop and now I need to configure the network. I didn't do this step during the install because I didn't have a connection available. Is there a way to rerun that step of the install now?
[07:18] <Daisuke_Ido> there will peobably be a few hurdles in your way, but it should be possible
[07:18] <Daisuke_Ido> i don't know how, though :D
[07:19] <intelikey> ubiquity  is the installer.   as to that step.   probably.   i personally quite dislike ubiquity.
[07:19] <reldruh> thanks for the word of encouragement :-)
[07:19] <reldruh> I don't necessarily need that exact step, just some way to do autoconfiguration of the network now that I have a connection available
[07:19] <reldruh> I use ifconfig to put my interface up and it goes up, but it doesn't connect to anythin
[07:19] <reldruh> g
[07:19] <reldruh> I think it's not using dhcp from my router like it should
[07:20] <reldruh> intelikey: the gratitude was for Daisuke_Ido who said it was probably possible but he didn't know how :-)
[07:20] <intelikey> oh   would have made good sarcasm if aimed at me... :)
[07:21] <reldruh> I'd rather be sarcastic  after my problem is solved. No telling how somebody might take it :-)
[07:22] <intelikey> wish i could help you with that.  but i'm still network illiterate.
[07:23] <Jucato> ubiquity wouldn't be on the ubuntu server installer would it?
[07:23] <intelikey> if you wanted to just setup a static ip in /etc/network/interfaces   i might be able to go that far,   but
[07:23] <intelikey> Jucato ummm is that server install ?
[07:23] <intelikey> oh it is.....
[07:23] <Jucato> it's the separate Ubuntu Server Edition
[07:23] <intelikey> ooops
[07:24] <Jucato> no GUI
[07:24] <intelikey> right.
[07:24] <intelikey> so what was the textmode installer called ?
[07:24] <Jucato> there seems to be an #ubuntu-server channel but the question is too general for that channel
[07:24] <reldruh> using ifconfig I can get this laptop to see the local network
[07:24] <reldruh> but nothing outside of it
[07:24] <Jucato> intelikey: Alternate Install CD
[07:25] <reldruh> ah well. Thanks anyway
[07:25] <intelikey> Jucato no the installer.
[07:25] <Jucato> debian-installer
[07:25] <intelikey> Jucato ie   if not ubiquity then ???
[07:25] <Jucato> there's no special name for it
[07:25] <Jucato> ^^^^^^
[07:25] <intelikey> k
[07:25] <intelikey> twin typing time you know.
[07:25] <Hobbsee> Jucato: debian-installer is
[07:26] <Hobbsee> ah, you got it
[07:26] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee! :)
[07:26] <Hobbsee> hiya
[07:27] <intelikey> yes then.   i like the "debian-installer"  much better than "ubiquity"   and it is possable to run only that one step.   @ reldruh
[07:28] <reldruh> what I just tried is adding an entry in /etc/networking/interfaces 'inet eth0 iface dhcp'
[07:28] <reldruh> I restarted networking and now an IP address gets found automatically, but I still can't connect to anything outside of my local network
[07:28] <intelikey> !info libdebian-installer-extra4
[07:28] <ubotu> libdebian-installer-extra4: Library of some extra debian-installer functions. In component main, is optional. Version 0.47ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 9 kB, installed size 60 kB
[07:30] <intelikey> reldruh did your hostname get set properly?   you aren't running with "i-dont-have-a-name"   for a hostname are you ?
[07:31] <intelikey> oh wait.
[07:31] <intelikey> that's resolv.conf issue.
[07:32] <intelikey> reldruh check your   /etc/reslov.conf file.    and note it's not sticky so just editing it wont fix it permanantly
[07:33] <intelikey> for sticky-ness i think it's /etc/defaults/something-errr-other
[07:36] <bcherry> out of curiosity anyone here run kde4b2 on gutsy?
[07:36] <bcherry> i never did get it working right during my time with gutsy (back to feisty for now)
[07:38] <ardchoille> bcherry: Perhaps join #ubuntu+1 ?
[07:38] <bcherry> thanks ardchoille
[07:39] <ardchoille> yw
[07:41] <intelikey> crap.   i have a ps2 wheel mouse,  and if i click the wheel then i no longer have a right button,   pfft.
[07:42] <ardchoille> trackball > mouse :P
[07:42] <intelikey> in gpm left button copy ritht button paste   but default.  but if i click the wheel then right no paste no mo
[07:43] <intelikey> trackball heh
[07:43] <ardchoille> hilight and middle-click?
[07:43] <ardchoille> intelikey: Does the right button still offer context menu when that happens?
[07:43] <intelikey> ardchoille as in both or as in wheel   middle ?
[07:43] <intelikey> ardchoille console.
[07:44] <intelikey> no it never did offer any menus
[07:44] <ardchoille> as in wheel click pastes the hilighted item
[07:44] <ardchoille> intelikey: In konsole you can specify a paste key combo. I use ctrl+shift+v for paste
[07:45] <intelikey> yeah but i dont' want wheel click to paste,    i want it to stay the way it is when gpm starts.
[07:45] <intelikey> ardchoille konsole != console    konsole = terminal emulator
[07:45] <ardchoille> Oh, that sucks
[07:45] <ardchoille> my mouse doesn't even work in console
[07:46] <ardchoille> You're already ahead of me
[07:46] <intelikey> gpm will make it work.   but   you may have the same issue i have.
[07:48] <intelikey> how do you adjust things in vlc -V svgalibs   without mouse ?    and how to you copy paste from irssi to w3b without a mouse  ???
[07:48] <intelikey> in the console i mean   ^
[07:48] <intelikey> :)))
[07:48] <ardchoille> I use screen for irssi and wget.. screen allows to copy/paste
[07:49] <ardchoille> And I do't use vlc because it doesn't support closed pations. I'm deaf.
[07:49] <intelikey> yeah i know.  i just don't like screen   and i know that there are keys for the vlc Q
[07:49] <intelikey> ardchoille ah.
[07:49] <intelikey> ardchoille didn't know.   sorry to hear that.
[07:50] <ardchoille> Not a problem, I can get a good night sleep when the neighbours are fighting :)
[07:50] <intelikey> no pun inteneded there,  for a change.
[07:50] <intelikey> that works.   as long as they are not in the same room...
[07:50] <ardchoille> I like screen because you can have 30 diff apps open in one console
[07:51] <ardchoille> <-- lazy
[07:52] <intelikey> that's what right alt key is for...    left alt + f1-12   tty 1-12  right alt + f1-12 = tty 13-24
[07:53] <intelikey> but i wrote a script that switches me to any tty   just type the number and you are there.    if it wasn't active, it is now.
[07:54] <intelikey> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39928
[07:55] <ardchoille> Nice :)
[07:55] <chernov> tut est' russkie???
[07:56] <intelikey> looks a little odd having 128 symlinks in ~/bin/  named 1 2 3 4...128  but works well
[07:56] <intelikey> errr 127 actually
[07:56] <intelikey> !ru
[07:56] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[07:57] <chernov> intelikey: ty otkuda?
[07:57] <intelikey> no i can't speak it.
[07:58] <intelikey> sorry
[07:58] <chernov> ((
[07:59] <jfry> Just updated to kubuntu 7.10 beta... all went well (sorta) except I cant get past the acpid udate, "invoke-rc.d: initscript acpid, action "start" failed."   Anyone have an idea that will allow me to finish up (acpid, acpi-support, powermanagement-interface, and kubuntu-desktop are not installed).
[08:00] <ardchoille> jfry: You need to be in #ubuntu+1 for gutsy help
[08:00] <jfry> thanks
[08:00] <ardchoille> yw
[08:00] <intelikey> jfry a simple hack is to edit the acpid script and add exit 0 to the second line
[08:01] <intelikey> finish up and restore it.
[08:01] <jfry> intelikey: I'll try that, thanks
[08:03] <intelikey> not the least of which is that all systems have /bin/sh = /bin/bash   that has broken many installs
[08:03] <jfry> intelikey: worked like a charm!... wish I would have thought of that!
[08:04] <intelikey> jfry next time you will
[08:04] <intelikey> :)
[08:05] <jfry> thanks again!  Off go bed!
[08:05] <ardchoille> jfry: Write this stuff down, then you can write yourself a script to make things easier if you ever have to reinstall.
[08:05] <intelikey> imo bash should not even be marked as "required"   it's no longer fully posix compliant
[08:06] <intelikey> jfry heh  or you can write a tut  on ubuntu hacks that are needed just to maintain sanity   lol
[08:06] <ardchoille> I have a sfript that does update, upgrade, dist-upgrade, install app, tweak apps/themes, clean, and reboot (all while I go have lunch). When I return, the system is ready for me to use.
[08:06] <jfry> ardchoille: good idea, except I don't suspect I will ever upgrade from 7.06 to 7.10 again... I'd just install direct on a diff machine
[08:06] <ardchoille> jfry: Scripts can work on simple reinstalls too
[08:07] <intelikey> jfry i have never used 7.*  that hack comes for previous versions    thus signfying that you will probably need it again
[08:07] <jfry> ardchoille: I know... but this was an upgrade related issue, I'd imagine that I wouldn't see it on a fresh install.
[08:07] <sstchur> I'm trying to build network-manager from source, but when I run ./configure, I get "Package requirements (hal >= 0.5.0) were not met, but I do in fact have hal (I believe > 0.5.0).  Can anyone help?
[08:08] <intelikey> jfry     ^    it was an "install" issue.   any package could do you that way on any install.
[08:08] <ardchoille> sstchur: If you updated on Feisty hal should be 0.5.8.1
[08:09] <jfry> sstchur: did you build-dep before trying to build the source... solves a lot of issues
[08:09] <sstchur> ardchoille: yes, I am running Feisty
[08:09] <sstchur> jfry: no, I'm not really experienced at building from source... what is build-dep?
[08:09] <jfry> apt-get build-dep network-manger
[08:10] <intelikey> !b-e
[08:10] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[08:10] <jfry> this will locate and install any dependancies required for building package manger
[08:10] <jfry> er network-manger
[08:10] <sstchur> jfry: oh ok... do I need to build networkmanager from source to get the latest?  I know I can run apt-get install networkmanager, but I'm having problems with it, and thought perhaps I needed a later version whcih I cannot get with apt-get ?
[08:12] <ardchoille> sstchur: open a term and run:  apt-cache policy network-manager
[08:12] <ardchoille> See if it's already installed
[08:13] <ardchoille> I have a feeling it is
[08:14] <sstchur> ardchoille: says, Installed 0.6.4-ubuntu7 (among other things)
[08:14] <ardchoille> sstchur: Yes, network-manager is already installed. Is that what you're trying to compile?
[08:16] <ardchoille> sstchur: And unless you really need the latest for a specific reason, I would suggest sticking to what is already installed
[08:16] <sstchur> ardchoille: yeah, well, occasionally my wifi will disconnect and I won't be able to reconnect without resetting my router, which is really annoying -- it just stop at like 28% and keeps prompting for my wpa key.  I read somewhere that it was fixed in the latest versions of network-manager, so I thought I'd try to build from source
[08:16] <ardchoille> Ah, ok, well there is a tutorial that may help
[08:16] <ardchoille> !wireless | sstchur
[08:16] <ubotu> sstchur: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[08:18] <sstchur> ardchoille: looking now... does it have anything specific to my problem?  B/c it works 90% of the time.  It's just that after long periods of inactivity it will drop the connection and /never/ seem to pick it back up
[08:19] <ardchoille> sstchur: IMHO, it's worth looking over a tutorial if it has the chance of helping solve a problem. It may keep you from compiling.. worth a look.
[08:19] <ardchoille> I don't use wireless, but I can't count the number of times tutorials have kept me from unnecessary work.
[08:20] <sstchur> k
[08:20] <jfry> sstchur: I'm not sure what router you are using... but I have solved most of my problems like that by updating the firmware on my routers... or replacing it all together on my WRT routers.
[08:21] <jfry> sstchur: you might also be able to get a newer version by enabling the backports repositories
[08:21] <sstchur> jfry: actually I thought my problem was my router (an older netgear).  I actually went out and bought a new Buffalo router, but I still have the same issue occasionally
[08:22] <jfry> If the new Buffalo is supported by DD-WRT... I highly recommend replacing the firmware
[08:22] <sstchur> jfry: I just find it so strange... why would it work for hours and hours and then all of the sudden disconnect, and then after disconnecting, /refuse/ to reconnect until I reset my router (I can still see my ESSID and everything; it just wont connect)
[08:22] <sstchur> jfry: what is DD_WRT?
[08:23] <jfry> sstchur: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Supported_Devices
[08:23] <zc_> login
[08:23] <jfry> sstchur: it's an open source firmware for WRT based (and a few other) routers.
[08:24] <jfry> sstchur: it opens up a lot of options that the manufacturer doesn't allow... for example I use a couple of routers to bridge my lan to a neighbors house
[08:24] <sstchur> oh, interesting... so it's a firmware upgrade that doesn't come from the manufacturer?
[08:25] <jfry> sstchur: exactly... and it's all linux based... but has a handy web management console... the project started because the original linksys wrt routers were linux based and thus were easily modified
[08:27] <sstchur> jfry: so I think my router is supported... how would I go about upgrading the firmware?  I dont' see any firmware upgrade to actually download?
[08:28] <jfry> sstchur: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Installation
[08:29] <jfry> it will walk you through it... just make sure you pay attention to any notes in the compatibility list I sent you... on some routers you must use the tftp method, or install the mini or micro version the first time.
[08:29] <sstchur> ok, thanks
[08:29] <jfry> sstchur: keep in mind that it is possible to "brick" your router... though I have only ever done that once and was able to recover it using guides on that site.
[08:31] <zc_> hello, can anyone help me on playing real media files on a 64 bit Kubuntu?
[08:32] <jfry> sstchur: I belive that most/all buffalo routers must use the tftp method... it's not hard though.
[08:32] <ksivaji> zc_ real medai files
[08:32] <GuHHH> hy my pendrive doesnt mount automatically anymore? and it says i dont have permission to edit it.
[08:32] <zc_> ksivaji, like rm rmvb
[08:32] <jfry> sstchur: good luck, and welcome to the world of embedded device hacking!... I'm off to bed, I hope all goes well for you!
[08:33] <ksivaji> zc_ sorry no idea
[08:35] <zc_> hello, can anyone help me on playing real media files on a 64 bit Kubuntu?
[08:36] <GuHHH> why my pendrive doesnt mount automatically anymore? and it says i dont have permission to edit it.
[08:37] <zc_> GuHHH mount as a root?
[08:39] <GuHHH> zc_ i did
[08:40] <ninHer> hi all
[08:43] <crazy_bus> I've got a geforce2mx.  And while it works with the default binary drivers in edgy in doesn't work with either the drivers installed by the script envy, or the restricted driver manager in feisty.  It just loads to a half loginscreen, half nvidia logo and freezes when installed by those methods.  How do I fix this?
[08:45] <gokimhock_> halo indonesia
[08:46] <ninHer> g'day from spain
[08:46] <gokimhock_> gila tuh windows
[08:47] <gokimhock_> spain? hai.... nin
[08:48] <ksivaji> http://pastebin.com/m3866caa6 please help me run this script
[08:50] <stdin> ksivaji: try http://pastebin.com/d58ecc465
[08:50] <stdin> ksivaji: line 7 is the only change
[08:50] <ksivaji> stdin ok
[08:51] <stdin> ksivaji: oops, actually http://pastebin.com/de3bf2  (removed the '$' from the start too)
[08:52] <stdin> ksivaji: hold on, still more to do
[08:52] <ksivaji> stdin ok
[08:54] <stdin> ksivaji: there you go http://pastebin.com/dc0615af
[08:55] <stdin> ksivaji: remember, if you're setting a variable you don't put the '$'  in it
[08:56] <ksivaji> stdin ho ok
[08:57] <ksivaji> stdin it works
[08:57] <stdin> of course, I made it :p
[08:59] <ksivaji> stdin do you thing it is better to learn python
[08:59] <stdin> ksivaji: for something like that, no
[09:00] <ksivaji> stdin you mean learning python is not useful
[09:00] <stdin> python is good when you need to preform some complex tasks without writing a C app
[09:00] <stdin> for simple tasks, python is overkill
[09:00] <ksivaji> ho
[09:01] <stdin> think about it, with python the code is actually compiled on the system just before it's run
[09:01] <stdin> this can make a lot of overhead for small tasks
[09:02] <stdin> (but is good for some other things)
[09:02] <ksivaji> stdin ya i compard execution time of python and c
[09:03] <zc_> anyone know how to install RealPlayer in a 64 bit kubuntu?
[09:06] <stdin> zc_: I think you'd have to install the 32bit version, there is no 64bit RealPlayer
[09:07] <stdin> zc_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins#head-7bbe352556dad78637cfaa3dfc97a52313c4d8d8
 hi,stdin, do you know where the codecs which i can used directly onto Mplayer or Xine?
[09:09] <deviance> Whats the command to unbmount a devices? Its trying to copy files.
[09:09] <deviance> Oh its done
[09:09] <deviance> :D
[09:11] <ardchoille> zc_: Do you mean w32codecs? libxine1-ffmpeg?
[09:11] <stdin> zc_: for the windows codecs https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64#head-54b678e0bfe810c13d7557a619007c42c97f67a7
[09:12] <zc_> stdin, thanks i will try the 64codecs,32bit codecs no good
[09:13] <zc_> ardchoille, i tried the w32codecs, but i doesnt seem to work properly
[09:16] <ardchoille> zc_: What kind of file are you trying to open?
[09:18] <zc_> ardchoille, rm and rmvb on a b4 bit Kubuntu
[09:19] <emilsedgh> zc_: cant kaffeine play it?
[09:19] <zc_> ardchoille, when i played with Xine it says "Real Video 4.0 handle missing"
[09:19] <VSpike> Does anyone else find that when they try to open the BBC Radio Player at www.bbc.co.uk/radio4 the realplayer plugin pretty much hangs their browser?
[09:20] <zc_> emilsedgh, nope doesnt play
[09:21] <Jucato> VSpike: it doesn't hang but the audio is choppy...
[09:22] <VSpike> Jucato: I find various problems - choppy audio, unresponsive browser.. if I try "listen in standalone player", I get no audio
[09:23] <VSpike> Jucato: doesn't help that helix player uses OSS and seems to use the wrong sound devices on my machine
[09:23] <Jucato> I see. I don't have real/helix installed and didn't try the listen in standalone. sorry
[09:25] <VSpike> Jucato: what's doing the playing for you?
[09:25] <Jucato> don't really know
[09:25] <VSpike> Jucato: :)
[09:29] <zc_> stdin, you are the best, it works
[09:29] <Jucato> he isn't... but he sure is one of the best )
[09:29] <Jucato> :)
[09:29] <stdin> :)
[09:29] <zc_> i never know before there were win64codecs
[09:29] <Jucato> :)
[09:29] <Jucato> neither did I
[09:30] <Jucato> so imagine my surprise reading that the first time after waking up
[09:30] <Jucato> it was really... disturbing... :)
[09:30] <VSpike> dunno why the bbc have to use stupid realmedia format anyway
[09:30] <stdin> I scour the interblogospheres for those little tid-bits of info
[09:30] <VSpike> mutter mutter public server broadcaster mutter mutter
[09:31] <VSpike> bad enough that they are selling their soul to windows media for their new player
[09:31] <stdin> VSpike: try complaining to them (he says knowing all it'll get you is "Thanks for you commend, now pay your license like a good little shlob")
[09:32] <stdin> s/commend/comment/
[09:36] <peter_> can anyone help me with a webcam issue....i'm on ubuntu:)
[09:36] <SETKEH-NRNS> heys guys i have problem lol
[09:36] <stdin> you can get Ubuntu help in #ubuntu
[09:37] <peter_> thanks :)
[09:37] <SETKEH-NRNS> i downloaded kubuntu from the site and burned it to bootable cd (no dvds on hand) all good and sweet rebbot my pc it gets to configuring network interface and stays the and not move fot 20 mins
[09:38] <SETKEH-NRNS> lol i dunno what i did wrong but a few distros do it on my pc O_o
[09:40] <SETKEH-NRNS> stdin any ideas mate ??
[09:41] <stdin> I haven't used a LiveCD in a while, so I can't really say
[09:41] <SETKEH-NRNS> stdin no worrys thanks mate
[09:41] <stdin> if you just want to install, try the alternate CD
[09:41] <SETKEH-NRNS> ill just wait for a bit see who joins and ask again :D
[09:41] <stdin> always works for me
[09:42] <ardchoille> SETKEH-NRNS: Is it an older computer?
[09:42] <SETKEH-NRNS> lol mine freezes and it suck because as far a i know kubuntu dapper (the new one to dapper) is the only one that has the broadcom drivers preinstalled lol
[09:42] <SETKEH-NRNS> ardchoille i paid 4500 aud for it lol it wont wanna be old lol
[09:43] <SETKEH-NRNS> it about 3 months old lol
[09:43] <ardchoille> SETKEH-NRNS: Yeah, that happened with me. I did some research and found that something changed in the kernel and it no longer recognised my NIC
[09:44] <SETKEH-NRNS> ardchoille i have pclinuxos installed at the moment but i cant find the nvidia nic driver i need in the .inf format lol
[09:46] <ardchoille> SETKEH-NRNS: NIC = Network Interface Card
[09:47] <SETKEH-NRNS> ardchoille i know mate i have a wireless one and and ethernet one and i need the drivers in the .inf format for the wireless one
[09:48] <ksivaji> http://pastebin.com/m4edc25b3 please help me i got this error when i am tring to install prozilla a download manager
[09:48] <ardchoille> !wireless | SETKEH-NRNS
[09:48] <ubotu> SETKEH-NRNS: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[09:49] <SETKEH-NRNS> i think i have read it but i will try agaion lol
[09:50] <ardchoille> ksivaji: You don't run "make" with sudo.. sudo is only needed for "make install"
[09:51] <SETKEH-NRNS> lol it doesent have the broadcom 802.11a drivers lol
[09:51] <ardchoille> ksivaji: I don't that that is the reason for the error, just letting you know for future
[09:51] <ksivaji> ardchoille ok
[09:52] <ksivaji> ardchoille how to solve this
[09:52] <ardchoille> ksivaji: No idea, I use kget as my download manager
[09:52] <ksivaji> sivaji@sivaji-desktop:~/package/prozilla/prozilla-2.0.4$ kget
[09:52] <ksivaji> bash: kget: command not found
[09:52] <stdin> ksivaji: you know prozilla is a command line download manager?
[09:52] <ksivaji> stdin yes
[09:53] <ardchoille> !info kget
[09:53] <ubotu> kget: download manager for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu9 (feisty), package size 440 kB, installed size 1192 kB
[09:53] <stdin> ksivaji: there is prozgui too
[09:53] <ksivaji> stdin i alread have version 1.3.7.4
[09:53] <ksivaji> stdin but its not good
[09:54] <stdin> ksivaji: of prozilla or prozgui? I have 2.0.4 of prozilla and 2.0.5 of prozgui in my PPA and
[09:54] <stdin> * and I could upload a feisty version
[09:55] <ksivaji> stdin not good in the sence i dont like that windows look and style
[09:55] <SETKEH-NRNS> i got feisty lol
[09:55] <stdin> ksivaji: well, give it a while and I could put prozilla 2.0.4 in an apt archive for you (if you want)
[09:56] <ksivaji> stdin please do it
[09:56] <ardchoille> stdin: You're cool :)
[09:57] <VSpike> stdin: probably true (re: BBC)
[09:57] <ksivaji> stdin ok its time for lunch brb
[09:57] <SETKEH-NRNS> how am i suposet to use wget to get the stuff i need for my wirless driver if i cant use my wireless nic to get on the internet lol
[09:58] <VSpike> can anyone tell me how I can control which programs firefox and thunderbird use to open files in KDE?  e.g. Evince instead of kpdf, totem instead of kaffeine, etc.
[09:58] <stdin> ksivaji: it should be there soon, "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/tsimpson/ubuntu/ feisty universe" is the repo you'll need
[09:59] <ardchoille> VSpike: Edit > Preferences, go to the Content tab and see the File Types section ?
[09:59] <ardchoille> VSpike: Never mind, I don't think that's it.
[10:00] <ardchoille> VSpike: Maybe change the file association in kde. I think firefox is just handing it off to kde and kde is opening it according to file association
[10:00] <VSpike> ardchoille: yeah, I thought that too, but that only seems to relate to plugins like flash and so on
[10:00] <VSpike> ardchoille: I think the problem is that firefox and tbird seem to use different defaults to everything kde
[10:01] <Jucato> VSpike: about:config probably?
[10:01] <ardchoille> Jucato: Wouldn't it be a kde file assoc thing?
[10:02] <VSpike> Heh.. just googled for "sample pdf" to test what konqueror did with a pdf file.  http://illiad.evms.edu/sample.pdf  ... Oh no I dont :)
[10:02] <Jucato> "can anyone tell me how I can control which programs firefox and thunderbird use to open files in KDE? "
[10:02] <VSpike> ardchoille: tbird and firefox seem to use GNOME defaults, not KDE ones
[10:02] <Jucato> unless he wants to change KDE defaults too
[10:02] <ardchoille> Jucato: Yes, but isn't firefox just handing the file off to kde and kde is opening it via the file assoc?
[10:02] <sredna> will kde 3.5.8 make it into the gutsy release?
[10:02] <ardchoille> VSpike: Oh, ok
[10:03] <Jucato> ardchoille: yes, but unless he wants to change the settings for all of KDE, Firefox and Thunderbird have their own settings for default apps afaik
[10:03] <VSpike> Jucato: I'm happy with the KDE defaults, I just want ffox and tbird to use them, or at least duplicate them
[10:03] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ah, ok
[10:03] <Jucato> tell that do ardchoille :)
[10:03] <ardchoille> hehe
[10:04] <VSpike> I don't think it's in about:config
[10:05] <VSpike> It would be interesting I guess to boot into gnome and change the default handlers and see if firefox changes.  then boot back into kde and see if the changes stick
[10:06] <ardchoille> VSpike: I don't have gnome installed and firefox respects kde file associations.. maybe that's it
[10:06] <VSpike> ardchoille: could be
[10:07] <Jucato> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Adobe_Reader http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Integrate_Firefox_with_KDE#PDF:_KPDF
[10:09] <VSpike> It's just one of the fun things about my desktop - never quite knowing what program is going to open when you click on something :)
[10:09] <ardchoille> VSpike: hehe
[10:09] <Jucato> mine is all KDE.. so it's all consistent  and controllable :)
[10:10] <ardchoille> same
[10:10] <waylandbill> firefox prints faulty on my system, but konqueror does beautifully.
[10:11] <VSpike> Jucato: good articles, thanks... looks like /etc/mailcap is the key
[10:12] <Jucato> just a quick google so I couldn't really check the quality
[10:12] <VSpike> certainly if I look in mine, I can see a lot of the apps which come up from firefox
[10:14] <VSpike> like, if I do "grep x-bzip /etc/mailcap" I see both ark and file-roller, and it's the latter which comes up I think
[10:14] <VSpike> It's a real pain, because after file-roller unpacks the archive, it opens a nautlius window to show the files.  That gets really confusing
[10:15] <stdin> anything that starts with a 'K'
[10:15] <VSpike> kippers
[10:15] <VSpike> I still dunno if I prefer kde to gnome.  gnome just crashes on my system so I've never had a chance to give it a fair go
[10:15] <stdin> ketchup
[10:16] <VSpike> kelis
[10:16] <stdin> the best K of all... Kubuntu :)
[10:17] <VSpike> can someone with pure kde try that grep line for me and tell me what you get?
[10:17] <_4strO> salut tout le monde
[10:17] <VSpike> The worst thing about kde is kicker, i reckon
[10:17] <Jucato> VSpike: which one?
[10:18] <VSpike> grep x-bzip /etc/mailcap
[10:18] <stdin> application/x-bzip;     ark -caption "Archiver" '%s';   nametemplate=%s.bz;     test=test "$DISPLAY" != ""
[10:18] <ksivaji> stdin prozilla removes my linux hearder
[10:18] <Jucato> application/x-bzip;     ark -caption "Archiver" '%s';   nametemplate=%s.bz;     test=test "$DISPLAY" != ""
[10:18] <stdin> ksivaji: huh?
[10:18] <ksivaji> wait
[10:19] <ksivaji> stdin http://pastebin.com/m5655d534
[10:19] <ksivaji> Jucato :
[10:19] <ksivaji> hi
[10:19] <sbucat> hiiiiii
[10:19] <VSpike> I dont get it though - you'd kind of expect firefox to show all the alternative handlers listed in /etc/mailcap for any given type, but it doesn't
[10:19] <Jucato> um... hi! :)
[10:19] <waylandbill> gnome is a perfectly good DE. It just has a different idealogy with different programming interfaces and different methods of accomplishing a task.
[10:20] <Jucato> waylandbill: that's why I never said anything against GNOME :)
[10:20] <ksivaji> waylandbill it think you havent seen KDE before
[10:20] <ksivaji> i*
[10:20] <Jucato> ksivaji: just focus on your problem please? thanks
[10:21] <ksivaji> Jucato ok
[10:21] <stdin> ksivaji: humf. well first, that's the gutsy package. 2nd I need to fix those dependencies  :p
[10:21] <waylandbill> hmm. haven't seen kde before what period in time? :)
[10:22] <Jucato> waylandbill: enough already. don't fan the flame :P
[10:22] <ksivaji> lol
[10:23] <waylandbill> did the updgrade to gusty. other than ndiswrapper not modprobing at startup, it went without a hitch.
[10:25] <waylandbill> now I can look forward to 79 - 100 MB updates every week. lol.
[10:25] <SETKEH-NRNS> http://setkeh.bravehost.com/linux.htm for info on the teamspeak server i run for linux
[10:25] <stdin> ksivaji: give it about an hour (launchpads queue takes a while) and it should magically appear in the repo
[10:25] <Jucato> my upgrade crashed with gs-esp, then had to retry about twice
[10:26] <ksivaji> stdin ok
[10:26] <mefisto__> is it possible to set the firefox "back" keyboard shortcut to the backspace key rather than alt+left-arrow?
[10:26] <stdin> ksivaji: I built it because development of it seems to be dead, but it's one of the only downloader apps that work
[10:27] <waylandbill> mefisto__: then how does one fix a mistake on a form without bs?
[10:27] <ksivaji> ho
[10:29] <Jucato> mefisto__: for Konqueror?
[10:29] <mefisto__> waylandbill: if focus is in a form field, it should just treat key presses as "type this"
[10:29] <Jucato> waylandbill: Konqueror can distinguish which has focus
[10:29] <Jucato> mefisto__: Settings -> Configure Konqueor -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[10:29] <mefisto__> Jucato: so it can't be done for firefox?
[10:30] <Jucato> mefisto__: Firefox? isn't that the default already?
[10:30] <mefisto__> Jucato: it should be, but on kubuntu it's always been alt+left-arrow for me
[10:30] <VSpike> has anyone tried using kgtk in kubuntu? sounds interesting
[10:31] <stdin> is that the same as gtk-qt-engine ?
[10:31] <VSpike> stdin: nope. http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=36077
[10:32] <stdin> oh right, I've been meaning to try that out
[10:36] <SETKEH-NRNS> jeez thoes debian mob are a pack of wankers lol
[10:36] <stdin> !language
[10:36] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:36] <stdin> but true
[10:36] <VSpike> hehe
[10:36] <SETKEH-NRNS> sorry mate
[10:36] <SETKEH-NRNS> i had to get that out
[10:37] <SETKEH-NRNS> lol
[10:37] <sbucat> :D
[10:37] <VSpike> i once had a dpkg question that no-one in #ubuntu or #kubuntu could answer, so i went #debian and asked it.  to be fair, they did know the answer, but once they found out I was using ubuntu I got rapidly ejected with a torrent of abuse :)
[10:38] <mefisto__> for anyone interested in firefox on linux backspace/back action, see http://kb.mozillazine.org/Browser.backspace_action
[10:38] <SETKEH-NRNS> i posted that teamspeak link to them a got flamed for self promotion and a crap website lol
[10:39] <ksivaji> how to set opera as my default browser
[10:39] <stdin> just so you know, the operators or #debian do not reflect the debian developers or general debian community (disclaimer)
[10:39] <SETKEH-NRNS> so obviously its not wanted and i deleted the teamspeak server unless you guys would like one for your selfs
[10:39] <tobias_> ksivaji: K-Menu, System, Standard Programs
[10:40] <SETKEH-NRNS> stdin thanks for the heads up mate not really offended i have had much worse done to me and i have seen allot better and alot crapper websites than my owne lol
[10:40] <mefisto__> tobias_: standard programs? on which version of kubuntu?
[10:40] <stdin> ksivaji: KMenu > system settings > default applications
[10:41] <tobias_> mefisto__: feisty ?
[10:41] <mefisto__> tobias_: doesn't exist on mine
[10:41] <ksivaji> stdin ya i got
[10:41] <stdin> you need to enable the menu, it puts kcontrol entries in kmenu
[10:41] <tobias_> well standard programs is the same as default applications
[10:41] <tobias_> sorry >.<
[10:42] <mefisto__> np tobias_, just thought I had a missing menu entry
[10:42] <SETKEH-NRNS> any one want to write a reveiw on kubuntu for me before i write mine for my site ???
[10:42] <tobias_> mefisto__: =) no problem
[10:45] <ksivaji> how to enable root login
[10:46] <stdin> why do you want to?
[10:46] <VSpike> hmm doesn't work for me
[10:46] <VSpike> ah well
[10:47] <ksivaji> stdin i think its better to know
[10:48] <stdin> why? it's not a good idea to login (GUI) as root
[10:48] <stdin> that's why it's disabled
[10:48] <mefisto__> ksivaji: you know about sudo and kdesu, don't you?
[10:48] <ksivaji> mefisto__ ya i know kdesu
[10:50] <kristjan_> for new "secondary groups" of user to take effect I must log out and back in?
[10:50] <stdin> yep
[10:50] <ksivaji> stdin mefisto__  we have two system here  one is kubuntu (mine) and other one xp (my bro) they are connected via switch  is it possible to browser  c: , d: of my bro system from kubuntu
[10:51] <stdin> if he shares them via windows file sharing
[10:52] <tobias_> doesnt he need Samba installed first ?
[10:52] <stdin> windows doesn't have samba
[10:53] <ksivaji> is there anything like samba for windows
[10:53] <tobias_> I know <.<
[10:53] <VSpike> that should probably go in the topic :)
[10:53] <tobias_> I mean he wants to browse the Xp System from his Kubuntu System
[10:53] <stdin> samba is for everything else, it's used to work with windows file sharing
[10:53] <VSpike> ksivaji: samba is an opensource implementation of built in windows networking protocols
[10:53] <stdin> tobias_: the samba client is pre-installed
[10:54] <VSpike> in kde you should just be able to put samba: into konq, I think
[10:54] <tobias_> oh... okay.. that's weird because I installed it manually
[10:54] <stdin> smb:/
[10:54] <tobias_> but okay - thats what I am talking about, I am not that confused ..
[10:54] <VSpike> smb:/
[10:54] <VSpike> yeah thanks stdin
[10:55] <tobias_> you might also type: "\\PCNAME" then he ads the smb automatically
[10:55] <tobias_> adds
[10:55] <ksivaji> stdin important thing file sharing should be  allowed with in LAN not across Internet
[10:55] <kristjan_> how much ram did ubuntu need for desktop install? 360?
[10:55] <VSpike> ksivaji: do you have a nat router?
[10:55] <stdin> ksivaji: I don't use the insecure windows file sharing anyway, so I don't care :p
[10:56] <ksivaji> VSpike i have switch here
[10:57] <VSpike> ksivaji: what is your internet connection?
[10:57] <stdin> kristjan_: I think the recommended amount for the Live install is 512MB
[10:58] <ksivaji> VSpike broadband 128Kbps
[10:58] <VSpike> ksivaji: adsl?
[10:59] <ksivaji> i am not sure VSpike
[11:00] <VSpike> Do you have a box plugged into the wall somewhere?  Does it connect to the phone line?
[11:00] <VSpike> ksivaji: ^
[11:00] <ksivaji> VSpike yes yes
[11:01] <ksivaji> VSpike are you there
[11:03] <VSpike> ksivaji: if you start a terminal and do "tracepath www.google.com", then what are the first two lines?
[11:04] <VSpike> ksivaji: ok, you have a nat router. you should be pretty safe
[11:05] <ksivaji> VSpike no i have switch
[11:05] <ksivaji> VSpike i know its switch i bought it
[11:06] <VSpike> to be sure, make sure that on the windows box, all the accounts have a secure password, the guest account is disabled, and that you edit the permissions on the shares on the windows box to only allow specific users
[11:06] <VSpike> ksivaji: ^
[11:06] <Jucato> waylandbill: ping
[11:06] <VSpike> ksivaji: to make your life easier, create an account on the XP box with the same username as your kubuntu account
[11:06] <VSpike> ksivaji: what is the switch connected to... the broadband box?
[11:07] <ksivaji> VSpike Fast ethernet switch 100Mb/s
[11:07] <ksivaji> 8bit port
[11:08] <ksivaji> this is what i know dont mistake me
[11:11] <ksivaji> VSpike are you there
[11:11] <VSpike> ksivaji: the switch is connected to the two computers, but it must also be connected to something else
[11:11] <ksivaji> VSpike yes it is connected to modem
[11:12] <VSpike> using ethernet cable?
[11:12] <ksivaji> yes
[11:12] <VSpike> ksivaji: then that other box is not a modem, it's a nat router
[11:13] <VSpike> ksivaji: does it have any make or model number on it?
[11:13] <ksivaji> yes beetel 220X
[11:22] <ksivaji> VSpike ^
[11:22] <ksivaji> just installing file sharing server will allow me to login or i need to do something else
[11:22] <ksivaji> VSpike:
[11:28] <ScorpKing> ksivaji: all you have to do is enable file sharing in xp.
[11:28] <VSpike> ksivaji: you just need to right-click the folder in windows and go to "sharing and security"
[11:29] <ksivaji> ScorpKing ho ok
[11:29] <ksivaji> VSpike thanks a lot
[11:29] <ksivaji> ScorpKing thanks
[11:29] <ScorpKing> np
[11:29] <ksivaji> ok its time for me to leave bye
[11:29] <ScorpKing> bye
[11:36] <lordofthepigs> hello, my company has just installed an 802.1x authentication on its wired network, and I need to configure xsupplicant to work with it
[11:36] <lordofthepigs> I have it running now, but I would like to know how I can make sure that the xsupplicant deamon starts up at the same time as my system
[11:37] <lordofthepigs> and how to make it start before DHCP (since I can't get a valid IP address before having been authenticated)
[11:37] <lordofthepigs> does anybody have an idea how to do that?
[11:37] <hasta2003> hi
[11:38] <hasta2003> how can I share a windows printer with my lan and use it in linux?
[11:38] <hasta2003> Do I need linux drivers for the printer?
[11:40] <ardchoille> !print
[11:40] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[11:41] <VSpike> too late- we didn't reply within 1 minute :)
[11:41] <ardchoille> lol
[11:41] <ardchoille> I just got out of the pool and looked at my screen
[11:42] <VSpike> you have a pool by the computer?
[11:43] <ardchoille> I have an indoor pool on my property
[11:43] <ardchoille> I have a computer by my pool
[11:45] <ardchoille> If I could figure out how to water proof it, I'd have a computer *in* my pool
[11:46] <ScorpKing> that might be a mission. :P
[11:49] <ScorpKing> lordofthepigs: all i know is that the startup cripts are it /etc/rc*.d/ . maybe poke around in there and try to figure it out.
[11:51] <emilsedgh> !adept
[11:51] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[11:51] <ScorpKing> lordofthepigs: it looks like there is a rc*.d for every runlevel. also S12 will start before S99 i think. not sure tho.
[11:52] <VSpike> lordofthepigs: ScorpKing is exactly right - the numerical value in the link controls the start order, or at least it did ... not entirely sure how upstart changes things, if at all
[11:57] <VSpike> wow.. i just looked again at ksysv .. what an astoundingly awful gui :)
[12:08] <sredna> is there a libxine package in kubuntu that is sufficient for kde4 (1.1.7 or higher)?
[12:25] <carlinux> !ask | can someone help me about tty1-6
[12:25] <ubotu> can someone help me about tty1-6: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:26] <carlinux> hello ?
[12:26] <stdin> interesting use of the ask factoid, but follow it's advice and ask the real question
[12:27] <carlinux> ok
[12:27] <carlinux> when i'm running an xsession as usual i press ctrl+alt+f1-6 i'm supposed to see a command line log in
[12:28] <carlinux> but i can see anything exepted an error message
[12:28] <stdin> what message?
[12:28] <carlinux> user not known to the underlying module
[12:28] <carlinux> repeated 10 times on each tyy
[12:28] <carlinux> tty
[12:29] <stdin> what happens if you press enter on one of the ttys, do you see a login prompt?
[12:29] <carlinux> no
[12:29] <carlinux> i want to have a login prompt
[12:29] <carlinux> this is the problem
[12:30] <stdin> I've never seen or herd of that error
[12:30] <carlinux> ok
[12:30] <stdin> see if anyone knows in ##linux
[12:30] <carlinux> thanks a lot
[12:31] <stdin> carlinux: also, try asking on https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/  reach a broader audience
[12:48] <Kimppa> Hi. I have java version 1.4.2 on my computer (java --version) and I need to upgrade to 1.5 or greater, the question is, how do I upgrade it?
[12:49] <stdin> !java | Kimppa
[12:49] <ubotu> Kimppa: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[12:49] <carlinux> can someone show me an output of ps -A | grep tty
[12:50] <stdin> carlinux: http://stdin.pastebin.us/39933
[12:51] <carlinux> thanks a lot
[12:51] <carlinux> because for my self the output is  6100 tty7     00:03:00 Xorg
[12:51] <carlinux> nothing else
[12:51] <Jenn1> Hello :)
[12:52] <stdin> carlinux: you on feisty?
[12:52] <carlinux> yes
[12:52] <carlinux> 64bits
[12:52] <stdin> what does the command "runlevel" show?
[12:52] <carlinux> N 2
[12:53] <stdin> hmm
[12:53] <carlinux> supposed to be 3 ?
[12:53] <Jenni> Is there a possible chance i could get some help to a question? x.o
[12:53] <stdin> no
[12:53] <stdin> !ask | Jenni
[12:53] <ubotu> Jenni: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:53] <carlinux> wich runlevel am i supposed to have
[12:54] <Jenni> Well, the question i have is, i try and boot the disk from my drive (Running win xp sp2) like it says, i get the messege "Loading browser please wait...." and then it does that...and nothing after that
[12:54] <stdin> carlinux: you are supposed to be on runlevel 2, and you are
[12:54] <Jenni> ive rebooted, tried 3 differnt burning apps, differnt media (cd and dvd) nothing happens x.o just the same effect over and over
[12:54] <chernov> Est' russkue lyudi?
[12:54] <carlinux> ok
[12:54] <carlinux> privet
[12:55] <chernov> carlinux: Priva. Ty otkuda?
[12:55] <carlinux> kanata
[12:55] <Jenni> I dont suppose anybody else has encountered this issue yet, have they? x.o
[12:55] <carlinux> ya frantsuzkii
[12:55] <chernov> kanada?
[12:56] <stdin> !ru
[12:56] <chernov> russkiy znaesh?
[12:56] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[12:56] <stdin> maybe
[12:56] <carlinux> ya izu4aiu russkii yazik
[12:56] <chernov> molodez!!!
[12:56] <chernov> priyatno slyshat'
[12:56] <carlinux> quelqu'un parle francais ?
[12:57] <chernov> ??
[12:57] <chernov> ya ne znayu frantsuzskiy
[12:57] <chernov> ((
[12:57] <carlinux> eta trudni
[12:57] <stdin> this is an English language channel
[12:58] <dhq_> are thereany eifi tools
[12:58] <carlinux> sorry
[12:58] <dhq_> wifi
[12:58] <stdin> !wifi
[12:58] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[12:58] <chernov> stdin: i know!
[12:58] <chernov> idi nahuy
[12:58] <chernov> v pizdu
[12:58] <chernov> i v zhopu
[12:59] <dhq_> chernov, english please
[12:59] <stdin> english _only_
[12:59] <dhq_> !french
[12:59] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[12:59] <chernov> stdin: idi na huy!!!
[12:59] <stdin> fine
[12:59] <carlinux> ok
[12:59] <carlinux> sorry
[12:59] <carlinux> ill speak english
[01:00] <carlinux> is there a way to run tty by running a command ?
[01:00] <Jenni> So, nobody knows anything about the lovely issue ive encountered? x.o
[01:00] <stdin> carlinux: try "sudo /sbin/getty 38400 tty1"
[01:01] <stdin> Jenni: have you rebooted with the CD in the tray?
[01:01] <Jenni> Yep, and have tried rebooting with it not in the tray, and tried booting it from disk
[01:01] <ubunturos> I installed glibc-doc. Does that mean, I can read the functions provided by stdio.h?
[01:02] <stdin> Jenni: then you need to enter the computers BIOS and set it to boot from CD-ROM
[01:02] <carlinux> it does nothing
[01:02] <ubunturos> !glibc
[01:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about glibc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:02] <stdin> carlinux: nothing on tty2 ?
[01:02] <carlinux> no
[01:02] <carlinux> i tried both
[01:03] <Jenni> stdin: when i do that, it just sits in the bios until it flicks over to win xp after enough time of nothing
[01:03] <stdin> ubunturos: you want manpages-dev
[01:03] <ubunturos> stdin: ah, ok
[01:03] <stdin> Jenni: how did you burn the CD?
[01:03] <stdin> carlinux: hmm, I'm not too sure
[01:03] <carlinux> YEAAHHH
[01:04] <carlinux> u'r the master of every master !!
[01:04] <Jenni> burned as a iso using roxio burner, then i tried wtih infrarecorder (reccommened on the page) and i even tried burn4free
[01:04] <stdin> ...
[01:04] <Jenni> but yah, i did burn it as a iso, not just a everyday data disk :)
[01:04] <carlinux> when i press ctrl+alt+f2 i can see a log in prompt
[01:05] <stdin> carlinux: can you tell me what files are in /etc/event.d/ then?
[01:05] <carlinux> ok
[01:07] <stdin> Jenni: it's possible you have a bad image
[01:07] <carlinux> control-alt-delete logd rc0 rc1 rc2 rc3 rc4 rc5 rc6 rc-default rcS rcS-sulogin sulogin tty1 tty2 tty3 tty4 tty5 tty6
[01:07] <ubunturos> stdin: thanks, but what's within glibc-doc?
[01:07] <carlinux> perhaps there is an error in my tty1-6
[01:08] <Jenni> ya think so? alrighty, ill try and download it again then :) the program that opens up on the program bar is called "splash start"
[01:08] <stdin> carlinux: post what's in the rc2 file to pastebin and let's see
[01:09] <stdin> ubunturos: some general documentation I think
[01:09] <carlinux> start on runlevel 2
[01:09] <carlinux> stop on runlevel [!2] 
[01:09] <stdin> to pastebin
[01:09] <stdin> !paste
[01:09] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:10] <carlinux> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39360/
[01:11] <stdin> carlinux: ok, that looks OK to me, how about the "tty1" file?
[01:12] <carlinux> i think the problem is in the tty files
[01:13] <carlinux> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39361/
[01:13] <carlinux> exec /bin/login -f ubuntu </dev/tty1 > /dev/tty1 2>&1
[01:13] <carlinux> exec /bin/login -f root </dev/tty1 > /dev/tty1 2>&1
[01:13] <stdin> carlinux: is this on the liveCD or an installed system ?
[01:15] <carlinux> installed but i copied it from the cd to try to repair it
[01:15] <stdin> ahh
[01:15] <carlinux> but as i see the problem user not known bla bla
[01:15] <carlinux> the user not known is ubuntu
[01:15] <carlinux> exec /bin/login -f ubuntu </dev/tty1 > /dev/tty1 2>&1
[01:15] <carlinux> replace by
[01:15] <stdin> yeah, now I see why :)
[01:15] <carlinux> exec /bin/login -f root </dev/tty1 > /dev/tty1 2>&1
[01:15] <stdin> no, don't do that :p
[01:15] <carlinux> ok
[01:16] <stdin> try "sudo apt-get --reinstall install system-services"
[01:17] <carlinux> i did it before
[01:17] <carlinux> but ill do it again
[01:17] <Jenni> ugh, downloading os's at 4am after working a 13 hours shift x.o never a smart idea
[01:17] <carlinux> tty1 didnt changed
[01:17] <carlinux> what do u have
[01:17] <carlinux> exec /bin/login -f root </dev/tty1 > /dev/tty1 2>&1
[01:18] <carlinux> what's in your tty1
[01:18] <stdin> I have "exec /sbin/getty 38400 tty1"
[01:18] <stdin> you can try "sudo apt-get --purge system-services" then "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-minimal ubuntu-standard system-services"
[01:19] <carlinux> sudo apt-get --purge system-services doesent work
[01:19] <stdin> if you put root there you'll have a permanent (password-less) root shell open
[01:19] <carlinux> syntax
[01:19] <carlinux> ok
[01:19] <stdin> "sudo apt-get --purge remove system-services" rather
[01:19] <carlinux> but i could change it mannually
[01:20] <stdin> you could, if you want to
[01:20] <stdin> just make sure to edit them all
[01:20] <carlinux> ok
[01:20] <stdin> exec /sbin/getty 38400 tty1 < change the "tty1" part to match all the file names
[01:20] <carlinux> tty changes
[01:20] <carlinux> changed
[01:21] <stdin> you'll need to reboot to see if it worked
[01:21] <carlinux> wait
[01:21] <ubuntu_> slt tlm
[01:21] <carlinux> brb
[01:21] <stdin> !fr
[01:21] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:21] <Jenni> okay, stdin, a slower burn didnt help at all
[01:21] <carlinux> dcaliss
[01:21] <carlinux> lol
[01:21] <stdin> Jenni: it still doesn't boot from the CD?
[01:23] <Jenni> nope, it starts up the splashstart and the kubuntu splash apperes with the loading browser messege
[01:23] <Jenni> then nothing
[01:23] <Jenni> the iso has the md5sum file
[01:23] <stdin> no, boot from the cd, when you reboot with the CD
[01:24] <carlinux> IT WORKED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:24] <carlinux> thaks a lot
[01:24] <stdin> :) no problem
[01:24] <Jenni> ahh, alrighty, brb :\ wish me luck
[01:24] <carlinux> now i can get some sleep !!
[01:24] <carlinux> 2 days of deep search
[01:25] <stdin> you're just lucky I know something about upstart ;)
[01:26] <carlinux> sorry to ask u that but what's upstart ( i saw a lot of post talking about it)
[01:26] <stdin> upstart is the replacement to the old init system
[01:26] <carlinux> ok
[01:26] <stdin> http://upstart.ubuntu.com/ < for more info
[01:26] <carlinux> now i understant
[01:27] <carlinux> this is why feisty dont have init
[01:27] <carlinux> with the runlevel
[01:27] <carlinux> everything is in event.d
[01:27] <stdin> well, it does. bit init is really upstart
[01:28] <stdin> and it has a sysv compatibility layer to it, so old script don't breah
[01:28] <stdin> break*
[01:28] <carlinux> ok
[01:28] <stdin> it's still quite new, but makes boot time much faster
[01:29] <carlinux> yeah while you are talking about booting i have an other question
[01:29] <Jenn1> Okay, a new issue has arised :\
[01:29] <carlinux> is it possible to configure the fonts in tty
[01:29] <Jenn1> now, that time it did load, BUT when i try and choose a option, i get the messege unable to read boot cd
[01:29] <Jenn1> or something close to that
[01:30] <dthacker> how can I tell the version of Kubuntu I'm running?
[01:30] <stdin> carlinux: I *think* "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-tools" should do it
[01:30] <stdin> !version | dthacker
[01:30] <ubotu> dthacker: To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[01:30] <dthacker> thanks.
[01:30] <stdin> Jenn1: you may have bad media (CD)
[01:31] <carlinux> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.20-15-generic
[01:31] <carlinux> nothing else
[01:31] <Jenn1> Bleh x.o alrighty
[01:31] <Jenn1> i just have shitty luck dont i?
[01:31] <stdin> possibly :)
[01:32] <Jenn1> ah well
[01:32] <carlinux> and when i boot my kernel with quiet and splash option everyting goes black and my screen stop responfing
[01:33] <stdin> carlinux: with some systems, the splash option can cause some issues. I tend to just disable it (by removing "splash" from the boot options)
[01:33] <carlinux> jenn1: in the ubuntu livecd boot menu use the check cd or medi option
[01:33] <carlinux> this is what i did lol
[01:33] <carlinux> now everything boot fin
[01:33] <Jenn1> i swear if i burn any more media, im going to have enough to like, huck at people until i can kill them >.> and that takes alot of media XD
[01:34] <carlinux> jenn1: do u know what i mean
[01:34] <carlinux> jenn1:can u see the boot menu
[01:34] <Jenn1> when i tried that
[01:34] <Jenn1> it accualy gave me that messege x.o
[01:35] <Jenn1> in the process of burning again
[01:37] <carlinux> jenn1: can u describe me ur prob?
[01:38] <paolo> hi, can you link me some interesting projects about image processing, in vhdl?
[01:38] <Jenn1> carlinux basicly the issue im having
[01:38] <Jenn1> im trying to run the cd, ive not finaly got one that loaded to a boot menu of sorts
[01:39] <dthacker> !vhdl
[01:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vhdl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:39] <carlinux> ok
[01:39] <carlinux> so u can see the boot menu
[01:39] <Jenn1> only to have when i tried ANY option i get a messege "unable to read boot cd"
[01:39] <Jenn1> and not atm, beacuse im in here x.o
[01:40] <carlinux> u told us that u burn a LOT of cds
[01:40] <carlinux> right?
[01:40] <paolo> dthacker: sorry, i sent it to the wrong channel :)))
[01:40] <Jenn1> ive had to burn a few for this, beacuse i was burning at the wrong speed to start and i didnt notice
[01:41] <dthacker> paolo: np
[01:41] <Jenn1> now im burning at the right one, im getting that issue
[01:41] <carlinux> slow speed ??
[01:41] <Jenn1> mhm
[01:41] <carlinux> have u tried to burn it at slow speed
[01:41] <Jenn1> That what i said i did
[01:42] <Jenn1> thats*
[01:42] <carlinux> sorry lol cause i'm french
[01:42] <Jenn1> No worries, wish i remeber my quebecious from high school now X3
[01:42] <Jenn1> remebered*
[01:42] <carlinux> quebecious?
[01:42] <Jenn1> Canadian french
[01:43] <carlinux> where are u from ?
[01:43] <Jenn1> Canada
[01:43] <Jenn1> X3
[01:43] <carlinux> ontario
[01:43] <carlinux> ?
[01:43] <Jenn1> British Columbia
[01:43] <carlinux> i'm from quebec
[01:43] <carlinux> ha ok
[01:44] <carlinux> the best advice i can give u is to burn it in slow speed
[01:44] <Jenn1> mhm, ive done that, im trying another media, and well
[01:44] <Jenn1> if this doesnt work
[01:44] <Jenn1> its bed time for me x.o ill try more tommorow
[01:44] <Jenn1> wish me luck guys! ^.^
[01:44] <carlinux> http://haacked.com/images/haacked_com/WindowsLiveWriter/InstallingUbuntuonVirtualPCforWindowsLov_C436/image032.png
[01:44] <carlinux> wait !!
[01:44] <carlinux> just a sec
[01:44] <carlinux> check this pic
[01:45] <Jenn1> yes i get that image
[01:45] <Jenn1> thats where it crashed
[01:45] <Jenn1> (*isnt running this on a virtual pc, as a note*
[01:45] <carlinux> when ur cd will be burned press enter on Check CD for defects
[01:46] <Jenn1> i tried that
[01:46] <carlinux> it will check if ur cd is damaged
[01:46] <carlinux> ok
[01:46] <Jenn1> i got that crazy crash messege
[01:46] <Jenn1> every choice gave me that one
[01:46] <Jenn1> im trying again, if it doesnt work, ill come back to tell ya
[01:46] <carlinux> perrhaps the ISO u are using is corrupted
[01:46] <Jenn1> im thinking that, gonna try this one last time
[01:46] <Jenn1> brb
[01:46] <carlinux> if nothing works download it again
[01:46] <carlinux> see you again !
[01:51] <Jenn2> yah
[01:51] <Jenn2> the thing has to be corrupted
[01:51] <Jenn2> i got the unable to read boot cd again
[01:51] <Jenn2> on every option
[01:52] <Jenn2> well i gotta sleep, thanks for the help guys and girls ^.^
[02:11] <aantipop> ksystemlog doesnt show logs from kernel or boot, is this a known problem ?=
[02:17] <jeri> hi everyone! im just new here
[02:18] <aantipop> welcome!
[02:18] <mooper> Hi, I have dual dvi monitors but ubuntu wont let me set them up as dual screen..... Apply is greyed out!
[02:19] <jeri> can someone help how to install universe or multiverse
[02:19] <aantipop> jeri, whats you kubuntu version ? its enabled by default since feisty
[02:19] <jeri> dapper drake 6.06 Lts
[02:20] <jeri> i have trouble playing mp3s
[02:21] <aantipop> jeri: type: sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:21] <Jucato> !kdesu
[02:21] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[02:21] <LjL> !info libxin1-ffmpeg dapper
[02:21] <LjL> !info libxin11-ffmpeg dapper
[02:21] <LjL> ggah sorry
[02:21] <ubotu> Package libxin1-ffmpeg does not exist in dapper
[02:21] <ubotu> Package libxin11-ffmpeg does not exist in dapper
[02:22] <aantipop> kdesu isnt installed @ dapper by default, is it ?
[02:22] <Jucato> aantipop: of course it is
[02:22] <LjL> jeri: try installing libxine-extracodecs
[02:23] <jeri> how do i do that?
[02:23] <LjL> jeri: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[02:23] <aantipop> he needs to enable universe/multiverse first
[02:25] <jeri> yup i need to enable it first
[02:25] <LjL> !universe
[02:25] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:26] <aantipop> jeri, the easiest way would be: launch adept manager
[02:26] <aantipop> top left, click adept and "manage repositories" or whatever its called in english
[02:26] <aantipop> there you can enable universe and multiverse
[02:27] <mooper> How do I change config of my display in system setting. everything is greyed out!
[02:27] <LjL> mooper: click on Administrator Mode.
[02:27] <jeri> my adept updater is running right now
[02:27] <mooper> LjL, I did. Its still all greyed out
[02:28] <LjL> mooper: did it ask for a password?
[02:28] <mooper> LjL no
[02:28] <LjL> mooper: are you on feisty?
[02:28] <jeri> then how?
[02:28] <mooper> LjL yes
[02:28] <aantipop> jeri: on top left, click on adept
[02:28] <jeri> how do in enable universe and mulitiverse?
[02:28] <jeri> done..then?
[02:29] <aantipop> jeri: there should be a entry "manage repositories" or so
[02:29] <jeri> yes..then?
[02:30] <LjL> mooper: well, at least for me it says it cannot be loaded at all :) but then again i'm on gutsy. close it and try again if you haven't. otherwise try  kdesudo kcontrol  and go from there.
[02:30] <aantipop> do you see the description of the repositories ? they have a (universe) and a (multiverse), mark them
[02:30] <LjL> make sure you also mark security and updates.
[02:30] <LjL> for universe and multiverse, that is.
[02:31] <jeri> ok..wait..
[02:31] <jeri> how do i mark it?
[02:31] <jeri> right click enable?
[02:32] <LjL> Once you have found these two line right click and select enable for both the deb and deb-src lines.
[02:32] <LjL> so the page says.
[02:33] <aantipop> isnt there a little box, simply check/uncheck what you want
[02:33] <LjL> mooper: could this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+bug/88431 be what you're experiencing?
[02:33] <jeri> got it..then it's all set? click apply
[02:33] <LjL> aantipop: no i don't think there is in dapper
[02:33] <LjL> jeri, it's all explained with screenshot at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu#head-989a83f045256da43621a16c8927ef8e27233a2a why not just follow that
[02:33] <aantipop> LjL: ok, started with edgy, didnt know
[02:34] <jeri> oh,ok thx for the help guys!
[02:34] <gyde> how do I in the konsol show the mac of my wireless card?
[02:34] <aantipop> jeri: for mp3 playback you need to install libxine1-ffmpeg. just search this in adept
[02:35] <LjL> gyde: ifconfig should show the MACs
[02:35] <LjL> aantipop: no, that package doesn't exist for dapper.
[02:35] <LjL> it's libxine-extracodecs as far as i can remember.
[02:35] <aantipop> LjL: ok im out :P
[02:36] <gyde> my wireless card is not running a connection now
[02:36] <gyde> I need the mac for that ..
[02:36] <gyde> ifconfig shows only open connection right?
[02:36] <LjL> gyde: try ifconfig -a
[02:36] <gyde> thx
[02:41] <Jucato> er... I meant teat
[02:41] <Jucato> tea
[02:41] <genii> Jucato: I would need more caffeine in me to make some smart remark at this point LOL
[02:42] <Jucato> :D
[02:42] <Unterfranke> hi#
[02:43] <Unterfranke> #hi
[02:43] <darwinofmind> anyone know of something freeware I can use to resize my XP partition to install Ubuntu without losing the data i have,   I can't afford PM
[02:43] <Jucato> GParted (the Live CD)?
[02:43] <aantipop> where is ubuntu's boot.log ?
[02:43] <aantipop> or doesnt it log the boot ?
[02:43] <LjL> darwinofmind: keep in mind that the normal Ubuntu CD you install Ubuntu from *has* that functionality built into the installer.
[02:44] <Jucato> aantipop: /var/log/boot ?
[02:44] <LjL> !gparted > darwinofmind    (darwinofmind, see the private message from Ubotu) otherwise, for finer control, here you are
[02:44] <darwinofmind> Ah thank you... it didn't explicitly say it wouldn't lose data and I didn't want to risk it.
[02:44] <Jucato> aantipop: although it tells me nothing has been logged
[02:44] <Mr_Sonoma> darwinofmind, i'd use the live cd but still back up any vital information on the windows partition you couldnt live without just incase things go bad, real bad....not saying it will but better safe than sorry.
[02:44] <aantipop> Jucato: it contains a text: (nothing has been logged yet)
[02:44] <LjL> darwinofmind, there certainly is an element of risk when resizing partitions. but it doesn't *intentionally* destroy data.
[02:45] <Jucato> aantipop: which may be the reason that ksystemlog doesn't show anything
[02:45] <Unterfranke> Servus
[02:45] <aantipop> Jucato: yup, but the reason it doesnt show anything for the kernel is that it isnt pointed to the kernel log file
[02:46] <LjL>  /var/log/kern.log ?
[02:46] <Jucato> aantipop: looks like it doesn't point to anything :)
[02:46] <LjL> aantipop: i think /var/log/boot simply shows any messages that were printed on the screen on boot. with usplash and everything, Ubuntu basically doesn't print anything now.
[02:46] <darwinofmind> Well thanks all...   Back off to windows to burn a few DVDs then I'll be back.   Have fun.
[02:47] <aantipop> Jucato: only kern.0.log isnt mentioned in the config
[02:47] <LjL> aantipop: remove the "quiet" from your kernel command line, and you should start having boot messages - and their log - again
[02:48] <Jucato> Settings -> Configure KSystemLog doesn't show me anything listed in the Kernel options at all
[02:48] <aantipop> LjL: i boot with text output, thats not the problem
 aantipop: i think /var/log/boot simply shows any messages that were printed on the screen on boot. with usplash and everything, Ubuntu basically doesn't print anything now.
[02:48] <aantipop> Jucato: yup, that needs to be fixed
[02:48] <aantipop> i boot without "quiet splash"
[02:49] <mooper> LjL: - nope thats not it
[02:50] <mooper> LjL: just all greyed out and not usable
[02:50] <mooper> It asks me for password when I press Admin Mode button
[02:52] <LjL> mooper: then file a bug on http://bugs.ubuntu.com
[02:53] <LjL> you'll see, if you seach for "monitor display kde" or such, that there are quite a few bugs reported about that module
[02:53] <LjL> but it doesn't seem to me that there is one that exactly matches your symptoms
[02:53] <bigdaddy> Hey all, this may be blasphemy, but is there a way to turn kubuntu into ubuntu? I don't mean just installing GNOME either. I mean everything Ubuntu.
[02:53] <LjL> it won't hurt if you search too, of course, four eyes are better than two, and the developers don't appreciate duplicated bug reports
[02:54] <LjL> bigdaddy: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop    will get you all the GNOME stuff installed that there is on Ubuntu
[02:54] <bigdaddy> LjL:
[02:54] <LjL> bigdaddy: the second part would be removing all the kubuntu-related stuff. you could do that with "sudo apt-get --purge autoremove kubuntu-desktop", but i cannot guarantee that'll really remove everything. anyway, MAKE VERY SURE it doesn't remove stuff you need before hitting 'Y'
[02:54] <bigdaddy> oops, will that uninstalleverything Kubuntu
[02:55] <bigdaddy> stuff like what ?
[02:55] <LjL> bigdaddy: stuff like the kernel, say :)
[02:55] <bigdaddy> any KDE related apps?
[02:55] <bigdaddy> Oh...sh_t that would be bad
[02:55] <Jucato> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[02:55] <LjL> bigdaddy: it shouldn't do that, just a disclaimer.
[02:56] <LjL> Jucato: is that still valid for Feisty? that page has been around since Dapper
[02:56] <bigdaddy> hey Jucato, how you doing?
[02:56] <Jucato> hi bigdaddy
[02:56] <LjL> ah yes it is, nevermind me
[02:56] <bigdaddy> LjL: I understand.
[02:57] <bigdaddy> I personally like KDE visually and I love that I can tweak so many things. But I am afraid that too many things are not working for me
[02:57] <LjL> bigdaddy: i understand, although another option could be reporting bugs about them
[02:57] <bigdaddy> I have had much better luck working on my in-laws Ubuntu istallation
[02:57] <LjL> one of the reasons Kubuntu is less "polished" than Ubuntu is, i suspect, a smaller user base, and so fewer bug reports.
[02:57] <bigdaddy> I send the reports everytime they crash
[02:58] <Jucato> s/smaller user base/smaller developer base/
[02:58] <LjL> uhm, i don't have many things actually *crashing*
[02:58] <bigdaddy> One thing that is a problem is my wife likes GNOME and we cannot "switch user".
[02:58] <Jucato> the only thing I have crashing here is on gutsy.. strigi
[02:58] <bigdaddy> Oh I have quite a few crashes
[02:58] <LjL> Jucato: no, i meant smaller user base... sure, that is true just as well, but can't the former be as true?
[02:59] <LjL> Jucato: yeah, on gutsy it's another matter. strigi and kblueplugd at least.
[02:59] <emilsedgh> Jucato: what filetypes does strigi support on gutsy?
[02:59] <Jucato> LjL: how do we measure kubuntu user base? afaik we have quite a big one... but compared to ubuntu we're still smaller...
[02:59] <Jucato> emilsedgh: all?
[02:59] <Jucato> sorry I barely (almost don't) use it at all
[02:59] <Jucato> at this point, I trust locate:/ more :)
[02:59] <emilsedgh> Jucato: really? here it doesnt understant ogg/mpg and all media files
[02:59] <bigdaddy> Have any of you guys tried PC-BSD? That might be a competitor of Kubuntu
[02:59] <LjL> well not all, it cannot understand binary files it doesn't have a module for i'd assume
[03:00] <Jucato> almost every KDE distro that hits the news is touted as "an alternative to Kubuntu" :)
[03:00] <emilsedgh> bigdaddy: there are hundreds of desktop disto's that are competeitor
[03:00] <Jucato> emilsedgh: it does. probably it hasn't indexed that far into your directorries
[03:00] <bigdaddy> yeah, butPC-BSD has been given some pretty rave reviews
[03:01] <Jucato> of course it will
[03:01] <emilsedgh> Jucato: how could i tell him to do so?
[03:01] <Jucato> emilsedgh: I don't know. it just indexes.. then crashes...
[03:01] <Jucato> at least for me
[03:01] <bigdaddy> I will stick with the *buntu necause of the size of the support community though.
[03:01] <emilsedgh> Jucato: lol
[03:01] <emilsedgh> :P
[03:01] <LjL> bigdaddy: it seems to have a *quite* different philosophy from Kubuntu (aside from, of course, being BSD based), as one can read from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC-BSD
[03:01] <Jucato> like I said. I'm not a fan of strigi on kde3
[03:02] <LjL> packages that install using wizards? no, that's not a *competitor*, it's a different thing
[03:02] <LjL> Jucato: what do you think of that wonderful idea of making the applet a tray icon instead? :)
[03:02] <bigdaddy> LjL: yes that is true. Another reason nt to switch. I was just curious if anone had tried it. I haeeeeeeenot tried any BSD before
[03:02] <Jucato> LjL: which applet?
[03:02] <emilsedgh> Jucato: exactly! strigi, only on kde4 ;)
[03:02] <LjL> bigdaddy: you have that kernel keyboard problem too?
[03:02] <LjL> Jucato: strigi
[03:02] <Jucato> LjL: there already is one
[03:02] <Jucato> strigi-applet
[03:02] <bigdaddy> I am beginning to wonder
[03:02] <Jucato> speaking of which...
[03:03] <LjL> Jucato: yeah, but the default one in Gutsy is a new applet that runs from the tray.
[03:03] <bigdaddy> This keyboard is possesed
[03:03] <LjL> Jucato: which, if you ask me, is a terrible idea. so much for "notification area".
[03:03] <Jucato> LjL: there are 2 types. a kicker applet, and a panel applet
[03:03] <LjL> Jucato: erm? kicker *is* the panel
[03:03] <Jucato> you can have one or the other.. or both
[03:03] <Jucato> er sorry
[03:03] <Jucato> system tray applet
[03:04] <al> Hi can anybody Help Me with a networking Problem in kubuntu
[03:04] <LjL> Jucato: yeah but the default is the tray one. which didn't exist and was created specifically for Gutsy (the kicker applet is quite lousy to be honest). but, it makes no sense. the tray is *not* the place for applets.
[03:05] <al> if this is the wrong channel please point me in the right direction ...
[03:05] <LjL> Jucato: i guess they wanted to make something like Deskbar, with drop down menu and stuff. but Deskbar is an *applet*, not a hack that runs from the tray
[03:06] <bigdaddy> Gah! Another crash!
[03:06] <LjL> though for that matter, it seems that Deskbar now opens a *window* when clicked (argh) rather than a dropdown menu, so my GNOME-using acquaintances tell me
[03:06] <LjL> al: it's the right channel, just ask your question
[03:06] <Jucato> yeah deskbar is a great thing imho
[03:06] <Jucato> anyway, let's not get offtopic
[03:06] <Jucato> go help al
[03:07] <bigdaddy> bbl - going to do a little work
[03:07] <al> ok THANKS  I have Upgraded my 7.04 approx a couple of weeks ago apt-get update /upgrade
[03:08] <al> an I cannot now connect to my router
[03:08] <LjL> al: wired router?
[03:08] <al> ifconfig goves me a ipv6 eth0 network setup
[03:08] <edulix> hi
[03:08] <edulix> anyone know how to install kickoff in kubuntu?
[03:09] <LjL> !kickoff
[03:09] <ubotu> Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331
[03:09] <Jucato> edulix: look for a .deb package in kde-apps.org and install it
[03:09] <al> its on this pc ( I am in Win XP now ) The Network card is a inbuilt rtl 8139
[03:09] <LjL> al: do you have network-manager installed?
[03:09] <emilsedgh> oh i love the yakuake 2.8, how great is this application!
[03:10] <mooper> Hi, How do I configure X to use dual screens? I have an ATI sapphire x1650 pro
[03:10] <al> i had this before & I removed it found it on a  kubuntu help list
[03:10] <LjL> !dualhead | mooper
[03:10] <LjL> al: do you have the correct settings in /etc/network/interfaces?
[03:10] <ubotu> mooper: Information about dual-head on linux can be found on http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/DualHead - See also !Xinerama
[03:11] <al> I now have eth0:avahe that is Ipv6 & binds to a non existant IIp Range
[03:11] <LjL> al: avahi? how i hate it.
[03:11] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[03:11] <LjL> al: make sure *ipv4* is configured correctly in /etc/network/interfaces, and perhaps you might want to disable ipv6 altogether
[03:11] <LjL> !ipv6
[03:11] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[03:12] <al> fron what i remember its somthing like auto eth0
[03:12] <al> its the sale as eth1 /2 /3
[03:13] <LjL> should be:
[03:13] <LjL> auto eth0
[03:13] <LjL> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[03:13] <LjL> if your router provides DHCP, which i bet it does
[03:13] <al> that seems right
[03:13] <hydrogen> grr
[03:13] <hydrogen> why does kmail suck so badly!
[03:14] <BluesKaj> kmail rocks
[03:14] <BluesKaj> :)
[03:14] <hydrogen> err
[03:15] <hydrogen> except for the whole can't handle imap properly thing
[03:15] <hydrogen> sure!
[03:15] <BluesKaj> what's sucking , hydrogen
[03:15] <hydrogen> it's grown this new habit of uploading/downloading all unread messages from an imap server continually
[03:15] <LjL> al: this is *not* supported advice, but [whispers in ear]  you might also try to disable avahi-daemon altogether.
[03:15] <hydrogen> as I'm trying to read them
[03:15] <BluesKaj> oh, never had the pleasure of having to use imap
[03:15] <al> umbotu i set ipv6 off in the cinf file
[03:15] <LjL> ubotu is a bot
[03:16] <ubotu> Yes, I can confirm that I am a bot. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots for all information.
[03:16] <Jucato> roflmao
[03:16] <al> i did a kill -9 on the pids for the avahi deamon
[03:16] <genii> heh
[03:16] <BluesKaj> LjL, avahi-daemon ?
[03:17] <al> and then ifup eth0
[03:17] <LjL> how's that my factoids always seem to have the effect of making people type strange acronyms that involve rolling on floors :P
[03:17] <LjL> BluesKaj: yeah, that obnoxious friend of network-manager and resolvconf.
[03:17] <al> Ian franticly trying to type quickly ( PLEASE Excuse the Bad Spelling (:-))
[03:18] <LjL> al: do ifdown eth0 and *then* ifup eth0 to make sure the settings are read from interfaces
[03:19] <BluesKaj> LjL, ok ...thought it was something I should have done when disabling IPv6
[03:19] <al> i think i tried that also whats the best way to kill /remove avahi
[03:20] <al> I also tried booting from the latest tribe 5 Cd  and it could not find the network
[03:20] <LjL> al: the way to stop it forever is to either remove the 'avahi-daemon' package (i think it's a recommend, so shouldn't remove kubuntu-desktop) or to use 'update-rc.d avahi-daemon remove'
[03:21] <BluesKaj> disabling IPv6 sped up Konq somewhat , but it's still abit slow IMO , altho i plan on sticking with it anyway ... anyone find the same ?
[03:21] <LjL> i don't think i've noticed a difference here
[03:21] <al> thanks i did not know about the update rc.d ...
[03:28] <BluesKaj> genii, I upgraded to gutsy relatively easily ,only a couple of minor glitches
[03:29] <genii> BluesKaj: Cool :) Manage to save most of /home ?
[03:30] <BluesKaj> yes np. genii ...did a netinstall/upgrade
[03:33] <genii> cool
[03:34] <genii> Someone here is yelling for me, work :(
[03:34] <BluesKaj> genii, the only thing that didn't work was the dev kernel version 2.6.22 ...wouldn't boot
[03:36] <BluesKaj> genii , the reason is beyond my scope
[03:54] <genii> Looks like it may be a busy day at work...bleh
[03:54] <BluesKaj> genii, the only thing that didn't work was the dev kernel version 2.6.22 ...wouldn't boot
[03:55] <genii> BluesKaj: Well, so long as the rest is stable
[03:55] <BluesKaj> yeah, seems to be
[03:55] <genii> I still need to do the latest round of updates, last one was this time last week. hope nothing breaks
[03:56] <BluesKaj> had over a hundred the last few days
[03:57] <genii> I can't remember what kernel my gutsy box is on
[03:57] <genii> Tho i am having other issues motherboard related and not OS which are freezing my system
[04:05] <dthacker-work> Hi. I'm trying to access a web based tool to manage an HP Network Switch.  The tool required a Java Runtime Environment plugin to Firefox, so I installed sun-jre6 through adept.   FF still wants a plugin.  Is the FF plugin different than sun-jre6?
[04:06] <trappist> dthacker-work: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[04:06] <dthacker-work> trappist: will do.  tnx
[04:07] <gnyffel> Is it possible to transfer a hard drive with Kubuntu installed to another computer without reinstalling?
[04:07] <trappist> dthacker-work: found that out by doing 'apt-cache search java plugin'
[04:07] <adlisyakir> how to run exe file in ubuntu..?
[04:07] <trappist> gnyffel: yes, but some things might take some effort to work correctly
[04:07] <trappist> adlisyakir: you would need to use wine for that
[04:07] <gnyffel> trappist: anything specific spring to mind?
[04:08] <trappist> gnyffel: mostly your video card - if you have an nvidia card, and the new box has an ati card, you'll have a little work to do, for example
[04:08] <gnyffel> trappist: I see what you mean. Purge nvidia-glx and install again, then? (new machine will have a nvidia card as well)
[04:09] <trappist> gnyffel: no, if both boxes have nvidia cards you should be ok there
[04:09] <trappist> that is, don't do anything
[04:09] <dthacker-work> trappist: it's working. thanks much.
[04:09] <gnyffel> trappist: 'kay, thanks. No worries going to single to dual core?
[04:10] <adlisyakir> trappist : how to use wine?
[04:10] <trappist> gnyffel: don't do anything :)  newer kernels (like the one you have) figure out SMP at boot-time
[04:10] <trappist> adlisyakir: that can get pretty involved.  step one is install it.
[04:11] <Jucato> adlisyakir: what program are you trying to run?
[04:11] <gnyffel> trappist: I realised that it supported it, but I'll readily admit than I'm not too knowledgeable when it comes to the details of the boot process. Thanks for your help.
[04:14] <genii> back
[04:17] <xenol> does edgy tips aplies to feisty too?
[04:17] <soulrider> !software
[04:18] <ubotu> A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[04:33] <EvilRoey> hi!
[04:33] <EvilRoey> My X is stuck at 99% CPU usage.
[04:33] <EvilRoey> I can't seem to do *anything* aside from moving the mouse cursor
[04:33] <Nalleman> Hi, i have installed the w32codecs package but amarok still claims that mp3 is not supported. why?
[04:33] <EvilRoey> I can't even switch to a different console
[04:34] <emilsedgh> Nalleman: libxine-extracodecs, do you have it?
[04:34] <Nalleman> emilsedgh, probably not, i will check
[04:34] <emilsedgh> Nalleman: thats what you should install
[04:35] <Jucato> Nalleman: because that's not the codec to play mp3
[04:35] <EvilRoey> hi
[04:35] <Jucato> w32codecs is for window media
[04:35] <EvilRoey> hello evil Jucato!
[04:35] <BluesKaj> Nalleman, or this latest one  libxine1-ffmpeg
[04:35] <Jucato> hello EvilRoey!
[04:35] <EvilRoey> :)
[04:35] <EvilRoey> Jucato: help!!!!
[04:35] <Jucato> what turned you evil today? )
[04:35] <Jucato> :)
[04:35] <EvilRoey> well this X thing
[04:35] <EvilRoey> so it's stuck at 99% CPU bandwidth
[04:35] <ghozala> hay what is keyboard short cut to switch input language like alt+shift in windows
[04:36] <Jucato> lol
[04:36] <EvilRoeY> Jucato: and I can't seem to do anything aside from moving the mouse curosr
[04:36] <EvilRoeY> *at all*
[04:36] <Jucato> EvilRoeY: what seems to be the problem? can you guess what you're running that's causing it?
[04:36] <EvilRoeY> well yeah, openoffice impress.
[04:36] <Nalleman> BluesKaj, great
[04:36] <EvilRoeY> It impressed me with how quickly my system froze solid.
[04:36] <Nalleman> now my computer rocks!
[04:36] <Nalleman> :)
[04:36] <EvilRoeY> Jucato: well, I killed Impress.
[04:36] <EvilRoeY> But the problem remains.
[04:37] <Jucato> hahah
[04:37] <EvilRoeY> I'm SSHing into the systemm now
[04:37] <Jucato> hm...
[04:37] <EvilRoeY> this works at least.
[04:37] <ghozala> hay what is keyboard short cut to switch input language like alt+shift in windows
[04:37] <EvilRoeY> Nalleman: my computer /is/ a rock.
[04:37] <EvilRoeY> ghozala: you can change it
[04:37] <EvilRoeY> right-click on the flag
[04:37] <EvilRoeY> (if you see a flag)
[04:37] <Jucato> ghozala: Ctrl+Shift+K is the default I believe
[04:37] <Nalleman> EvilRoeY, hehe
[04:37] <EvilRoeY> aye
[04:38] <EvilRoeY> ok
[04:38] <EvilRoeY> but back to my thing for a sec
[04:38] <Jucato> ghozala: you can change it in System Settings -> Keyboard and Mouse -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[04:38] <EvilRoeY> Jucato: Why is X so screwy!!!!
[04:38] <EvilRoeY> :(
[04:38] <Jucato> EvilRoeY: don't blame X, blame Impress heheh
[04:38] <Jucato> EvilRoeY: perhaps you can run top or ps to see the offending process(es)?
[04:39] <Jucato> sure it's not something more evil like compiz or beryl? :)
[04:40] <EvilRoeY> not running compiz or beryl
[04:40] <Jucato> GoodRoeY :)
[04:41] <EvilRoeY> they're evil as far as I'm concerned
[04:41] <EvilRoeY> ;)
[04:41] <Jucato> hehehe
[04:41] <EvilRoeY> ah
[04:42] <Jucato> seen something offending?
[04:42] <BluesKaj> evil eyecandy - window dressing  all show and no go ?
[04:42] <Jucato> hm.. gtg... bbl...tc
[04:43] <kruemel> #kubuntu.de
[04:43] <Jucato> !de | kruemel
[04:43] <ubotu> kruemel: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:44] <kruemel> thanks :)
[04:44] <BluesKaj> was checking out Vista yesterday,....hated that auto finish/click thing ...hover too long on an app and opens
[04:46] <atlfalcons866> can i install kubuntu on top of ubuntu
[04:49] <BluesKaj> atlfalcons866, install kubuntu-desktop
[04:49] <atlfalcons866> ok
[04:50] <atlfalcons866> will kbuntu 7.10 have apparmor or is that an ubuntu thing
[04:51] <Nalleman> hm. i know you are supposed to remove the top bar in amarok and make it a nifty little icon instead but i cant find out how to right now! help please.
[04:51] <genii> You can install any app which runs on Gnome, XFCE or KDE which has the same version underneath of the core ubuntu.
[04:52] <atlfalcons866> so that means kbuntu and xubuntu have the ubntu core
[04:52] <LjL> !flavors | atlfalcons866
[04:52] <ubotu> atlfalcons866: !GTK and !Qt are !GUI toolkits (i.e. software libraries that draw buttons, textboxes, etc). !GNOME, !KDE, !Xfce and friends are "!desktop environments", which build on top of such libraries to provide a "consistent" desktop experience. !Kubuntu and !Xubuntu are simply flavors of Ubuntu that come with KDE and Xfce (respectively) installed as default, instead of GNOME. Other specialized flavors of Ubuntu include !Edubuntu
[04:53] <LjL> "yes". it's the very same distribution.
[04:53] <atlfalcons866> ok thanks
[04:53] <atlfalcons866> gnome is too simple
[04:54] <atlfalcons866> could i remove gnome if i like kde
[04:54] <xenol> atlfalcons866:  sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[04:54] <xenol> is there any way i can look for packages name in konsole?
[04:55] <atlfalcons866> ok
[04:55] <atlfalcons866> =)
[04:56] <genii> xenol: apt-cache search <name-or-part-of-name-here>
[04:56] <xenol> genii: but aint it only packages i already dled?
[04:56] <genii> xenol: No
[04:56] <xenol> genii: ty
[04:57] <genii> xenol: np
[05:04] <ScorpKing> hi guys. does anyone here know how to use gestures with kde?
[05:05] <Jucato> I know a bit... just a bit... only learned last week
[05:05] <chn> hello I cant paste anything to my ntfs disks can u help me?
[05:06] <Jucato> !ntfs-3g
[05:06] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[05:06] <genii> !ntfs-3g
[05:06] <Jucato> :P
[05:06] <genii> Jucato: You win ;)
[05:06] <Jucato> ScorpKing: try if this helps: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3086781.0
[05:07] <ScorpKing> thanks. checking...
[05:08] <ScorpKing> Jucato: looks like that will work. ty :D
[05:09] <VSpike> Further to my general bitching about default file associations, etc. I notice another odd one.  If I right click in Konq and select Actions -> Email file, it opens KMail, even though thunderbird is defined in KControl as my mail program
[05:09] <VSpike> The fact that this action has kmail's icon next to it might be a clue, but generally, that sucks
[05:09] <Jucato> VSpike: probably hardcoded into the service menu
[05:10] <ScorpKing> VSpike: you might have to edit the action to fix that.
[05:10] <VSpike> Jucato: do you know if customise that menu somehow?
[05:10] <VSpike> ScorpKing: same q to you too
[05:10] <Jucato>  /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/
[05:10] <ScorpKing> or .kde/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/
[05:11] <Jucato> might be. just guessing...
[05:11] <Jucato> let me check
[05:11] <ScorpKing> it's .desktop files. just edit them with kate
[05:12] <ScorpKing> Jucato: i think that's correct. there is one in the home dir as well.
[05:12] <crazy_bus> I'm trying ssh with X forwarding.  I tried to run ksirtet, but I just got the message kbuildsycoca running... why is this?
[05:12] <VSpike> Jucato: that looks sort of right, except I can't spot the email action in there
[05:12] <Jucato> yeah but can't see the service menu for mailing :)
[05:12] <Jucato> ditto
[05:13] <Jucato> VSpike, ScorpKing: found it.. it's a Kubuntu thing
[05:13] <Jucato> in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/email.desktop
[05:13] <Jucato> it's hardcoded to use kmail
[05:14] <ScorpKing> i see. :)
[05:14] <Jucato> the culprit: Exec=kmail --attach %F
[05:14] <VSpike> nice short path then
[05:15] <VSpike> nice work finding it :)
[05:15] <Jucato> :)
[05:15] <Jucato> there are only 3 places to look for. so it wasn't that hard
[05:15] <ScorpKing> the rest of the servicemenus shows up in /usr/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/
[05:15] <Jucato>  /usr/share <-- system wide, non-distro specific, KDE defaults (mostly)
[05:15] <Jucato>  /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings <-- as the name suggests
[05:15] <Jucato>  ~/.kde/share/ <-- user-specific
[05:16] <VSpike> ScorpKing: I must get used to using it - i always reach for find
[05:16] <genii> Holy long pathname Batman
[05:16] <ScorpKing> lol. i don't have the ~ key on my keyboard. :(
[05:16] <Jucato> ScorpKing: er? O.o
[05:16] <ScorpKing> laptop
[05:17] <VSpike> Jucato: thanks .. useful to know, must try and fix that into brain somewhere .. i'll use the slots currently occupried by "c:\documents and settings\all users\send to"
[05:17] <Jucato> should still be there
[05:17] <Jucato> unless you have a different keyboard layout.. like dvorak or something
[05:17] <VSpike> I wonder how I could make it use the currently set default email client? :)
[05:18] <ScorpKing> VSpike: service menus are very usefull. take a look on kde-apps.org for more. :)
[05:19] <ScorpKing> Jucato: well, it shows here but it's the | key if i press it. not sure how to fix that. i did try a few layouts including dvorak but no luck.
[05:20] <timbba> Anyone having issues on suspend and wakeup that usb devices doesn't work unless taking out and putting back? Any ideas how to fix it?
[05:21] <ScorpKing> anyway, have to go. bbl
[05:23] <timbba> I think this usb suspend/wakeup in feisty is common bug, so anyone has it fixed and a good hack to share? :)
[05:23] <VSpike> cat ~/.kde/share/config/emaildefaults | grep EmailClient | cut -f 2 --delim =
[05:23] <VSpike> that gives you the default email client
[05:23] <VSpike> So I guess I just need to write that into a script and call that from the service menu
[05:25] <trappist> hrm.  my email client isn't listed in that file.
[05:26] <timbba> ok, raise your hand if you use suspend and the usbs works after that :)...
[05:26] <VSpike> trappist: perhaps if you don't change it, it leaves it empty and defaults to kmail?
[05:26] <trappist> VSpike: that would make sense
[05:26] <winbond> is OSX based on bsd?
[05:26] <trappist> winbond: wrong channel
[05:27] <winbond> looks like a right channel to me
[05:28] <Jucato> winbond: this is a channel for Kubuntu support. not for BSD, and definitely not for OSX
[05:28] <evpc> merhaba arkadaslar
[05:29] <jabor> hi folks, i am with some doubts about the instalation of kubuntu 7.04, can anyone help me
[05:32] <jabor> noboby?
[05:32] <BluesKaj> jabor , what doubts ?
[05:33] <jabor> when I click at the "install" icon on the desktop the instalation not even begin
[05:33] <trappist> jabor: have you tried double-clicking it?
[05:33] <jabor> (i sorry about my poor english, i'm from Brazil)
[05:33] <trappist> !pt | jabor
[05:33] <ubotu> jabor: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[05:33] <trappist> jabor: you could try there if it's more comfortable
[05:34] <jabor> no problem
[05:34] <jabor> i have some dificulties to whrite
[05:34] <jabor> bus it's ok to read
[05:34] <jabor> :P
[05:34] <trappist> I understand :)
[05:34] <jabor> i've double clicked a few times already
[05:35] <VSpike> Bah... all very well, except that thunderbird and kmail dont understand the same command line options
[05:35] <Jucato> of course they don't :)
[05:35] <trappist> VSpike: write a wrapper script
[05:35] <VSpike> trappist: I did - i think it just needs to be more clever than it is already
[05:35] <VSpike> which is not very
[05:36] <jabor> man, i'm very disapointed with this problem
[05:36] <VSpike> trappist: http://pastebin.com/d90b4ae7
[05:36] <trappist> jabor: I've never seen that problem
[05:36] <jabor> i've being using Kurumin Linux (Brazilian distro) since 2004
[05:37] <jabor> and now that i tried to experiment a diferent one that problem happends
[05:37] <jabor> :/
[05:37] <jabor> there's some way to install in text mode?
[05:39] <pag> !alternate | jabor
[05:39] <ubotu> jabor: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal
[05:39] <VSpike> ahhh no need.. someone already did it
[05:39] <VSpike> xdg-email
[05:40] <jabor> i'm using the live cd
[05:40] <xenol> is superkaramba stable udner feisty?
[05:41] <trappist> VSpike: I once tried to reimplement grep in perl, just so I could use pcre regular expressions, until somebody said "why not just use pcregrep"
[05:41] <pag> xenol, it's stable over here... so yes, I'd say it is stable
[05:42] <VSpike> trappist: lol
[05:42] <xenol> pag: what can u do with karamba? does it have any advantages?
[05:42] <VSpike> trappist: aw sheesh.. you can't use xdg-email unless you have an address, I think
[05:42] <trappist> VSpike: I missed the beginning of all this - what are you trying to do?
[05:43] <acomaco> what is that beryl addon making your "icons" "loose"? Like you can drag and drop them etc..?
[05:43] <pag> xenol, it gives you widgets on desktop - personally I think they're pretty, and some are even useful
[05:43] <acomaco> and they fall right into place?
[05:45] <VSpike> trappist: the service menu in konqueror for emailing a file does not respect the currently chosen email client in KDE - it's hard coded to kmail.  I could just update it to use my current client (Thunderbird) but in the interest of increasing my learning, I was wondering if I could make it Do The Right Thing
[05:46] <trappist> VSpike: the way to do that would be to apt-get source konqueror, try to find in the source where it's hard-coded, and fix that
[05:47] <trappist> VSpike: now me, I'm not very handy with C++, but there's a decent chance that if I could find the problem, I could fix it with some trial and error and some googling
[05:47] <VSpike> trappist: oh, it's not that bad - it's a .desktop file
[05:48] <VSpike> trappist: /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/apps/konqueror/servicemenus/email.desktop
[05:48] <trappist> I hate that open source browsers want to use their companion MUAs and hardly ever have a config option or respect an environment variable
[05:49] <xenol> !superkaramba
[05:49] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[05:49] <xenol> is superkaramba useful?
[05:49] <trappist> so that .desktop file could call a wrapper script and send the right options to whatever MUAs are supported by your script
[05:49] <VSpike> that's really annoying - xdg-email is close to what I need
[05:50] <VSpike> trappist: yeah, I could do that - just switch based on the agent selected, and support whichever one's i'm interested in supporting
[05:50] <trappist> yeah
[05:51] <VSpike> trappist: it's a shame there's nothing like MAPI available here
[05:51] <VSpike> although mapi is not great, but it does work
[05:52] <VSpike> thanks for the help everyone - gotta go afk for a while
[06:31] <RonMetal> alguien me puede ayudar???
[06:32] <stdin> !es
[06:32] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:33] <acee1234> : installing ubuntu from the live disk crashes the x server. i've gone throught the fix once but the link was lost in a format something about changing the xorg.conf file. Any suggestions?
[06:42] <budgieboy> hello
[06:43] <budgieboy> anyone here?
[06:44] <budgieboy> I guess when I need help, this isn't the place to go since no one is here!
[06:44] <budgieboy> I need help!
[06:45] <budgieboy> screw this...
[06:46] <xenol> !ask | budgieboy
[06:46] <ubotu> budgieboy: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:46] <xenol> so?
[06:47] <genii> Kids these days all seem to have ADD
[06:47] <xenol> ADD?
[06:48] <VSpike> wow .. deja vu
[06:48] <budgieboy> I have used suse and ubuntu linux and I got this today, where do I go to get games from online?
[06:48] <stdin> !games | budgieboy
[06:48] <ubotu> budgieboy: Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[06:48] <VSpike> thanks genii
[06:49] <genii> VSpike: Anytime
[06:49] <budgieboy> It's just that on ubuntu you can just use the installer and away you go...
[06:50] <atlfalcons866> how do i delete ubuntu
[06:51] <genii> Install some other OS
[06:51] <stdin> or just format over it
[06:51] <xenol> atlfalcons866:  http://support.microsoft.com/kb/247804
[06:51] <SlimeyPete> atlfalcons866: you use another OS' installer, or a partitioner, to remove the partition (you'll need to overwrite the bootmanager too if your new OS doesn't do that automatically)
[06:51] <atlfalcons866> not delete ubuntu delete gnome i installed kde
[06:52] <SlimeyPete> oh
[06:52] <stdin> !removegnome
[06:52] <ubotu> Want to remove gnome/kde/xfce completely? Look at debfoster, it's a great help
[06:52] <xenol> atlfalcons866: sudo apt-get re move ubuntu-desktop
[06:52] <SlimeyPete> use Adetsynaptic/aptitude to remove ubunt-desktop
[06:52] <atlfalcons866> isnt it better to use apitiude
[06:52] <xenol> atlfalcons866: sudo apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop-
[06:52] <stdin> atlfalcons866: or see http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[06:52] <SlimeyPete> doesn't make a huge amount of difference. Aptitude's a bit cleverer, but apt-get should work fine.
[06:53] <budgieboy_> oh no! My file download disaperared!
[06:54] <budgieboy_> lol sorry for my english
[06:54] <atlfalcons866> i get ubuntu-desktop is not installed
[06:55] <xenol> atlfalcons866:  u installed  from kubuntu or ubuntu cd?
[06:55] <atlfalcons866> i installed from ubuntu cd then installed kubuntu
[06:57] <jpatrick> atlfalcons866: you have to remove libgtk2.0-common I think
[06:57] <budgieboy_> I don't know how to get this game installed "http://www.frozen-bubble.org/downloads/"
[06:57] <jpatrick> budgieboy: "sudo apt-get install frozen-bubble" in the console
[06:58] <SlimG2> Is there a KDE based MySQL management tool?
[06:58] <jpatrick> SlimG2: apt-cache search for "kde sql"
[06:59] <stdin> !info kmysqladmin
[06:59] <ubotu> kmysqladmin: Kde graphical frontend for mysql servers. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.2-1ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 917 kB, installed size 2024 kB
[06:59] <budgieboy_> Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:59] <stdin> !aptfix
[06:59] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:59] <karol> jest ktos z polski
[06:59] <genii> If you have on the same box a standard type LAMP install you may like also phpmyadmin
[06:59] <SlimG2> thanks stdin !
[06:59] <stdin> budgieboyand make sire adept/synaptic is closes
[06:59] <stdin> !pl | karol
[06:59] <ubotu> karol: Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[07:00] <karol> thank you
[07:00] <xenol> stdin: can u tell me how can i enter adrministrator mode in system settings when i dont have that option there for setting i need? :/
[07:00] <budgieboy_> Couldn't find package frozen-bubble, Should I put in on the desktop?
[07:00] <stdin> xenol: close it, press Alt-F2 and run "kdesu systemsettings" ;)
[07:01] <stdin> make sure you have universe enabled
[07:01] <stdin> !repos
[07:01] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:02] <atlfalcons866> what is bigger gnome or kde in size
[07:03] <xenol> anyone here using superkaramba?
[07:03] <stdin> depends what you call "KDE" and "Gnome". stripped to the core both are just libs
[07:04] <atlfalcons866> linus torvalds dosent like gnome
[07:04] <budgieboy_> ok now I bam totally confused
[07:04] <jpatrick> atlfalcons866: everyone has an opinion
[07:05] <genii> atlfalcons866: KDE tends to come with more applications installed
[07:05] <budgieboy_> I just need to install games, Is there a way to make them show up on the add/remove like on ubuntu?
[07:05] <SlimG2> When running kmysqladmin from konsole It doesn't start, it only echoes "kmysqladmin: cannot connect to X server", anyone knoiw why/howto fix?
[07:05] <atlfalcons866> this is what he says about gnome
[07:05] <atlfalcons866> "This 'users are idiots, and are confused by functionality' mentality of Gnome is a disease. If you think your users are idiots, only idiots will use it. I don't use Gnome, because in striving to be simple, it has long since reached the point where it simply doesn't do what I need it to do."
[07:06] <stdin> SlimG2: run it as your user? Alt-F2 is the best place to run it from
[07:06] <stdin> !ot | atlfalcons866
[07:06] <ubotu> atlfalcons866: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[07:06] <jpatrick> atlfalcons866: we know, we went though that ages ago
[07:06] <budgieboy_> I can't install ym game :(
[07:07] <atlfalcons866> o sorry
[07:07] <genii> budgieboy_: If you add the repositories where the games are into the sources.list file you will see them in the package manager add/remove section
[07:07] <budgieboy_> but It woudn't add it
[07:08] <genii> budgieboy_: For changing system-type files you need to run the editor with admin rights.eg something like:    kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:08] <budgieboy_> D:
[07:09] <genii> You may also need after to ad the gpg key
[07:09] <SlimG2> stdin: Sorry for bothering you, I've (again) kept a konsole open where I
[07:09] <genii> *add
[07:09] <SlimG2> stdin: 've sshed into another computer
[07:09] <budgieboy_> I took ages to figure out ubuntu and I got the hang of it but I wanted it easy and apperently kubuntu was but it's not ;(
[07:09] <stdin> SlimG2: you want to use the GUI over ssh?
[07:11] <atlfalcons866> is it too late to get kubuntu cds from shipit
[07:11] <stdin> atlfalcons866: until the gutsy release
[07:11] <genii> budgieboy_: In ubuntu or kubuntu doesn't matter, editing these files is the same. In ubuntu is gksudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list    in kubuntu is kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:11] <atlfalcons866> so im stuck with gnome then
[07:11] <atlfalcons866> gnome cds
[07:11] <genii> Always needs some form of admin rights
[07:11] <SlimG2> stdin: Not at all, I accidentaly used a open konsole windows that was connected to another computer over ssh, so I installed and tried to run kmysqladmin on the other computer :P You can go ahead and laugh at me now :)
[07:12] <stdin> ok
[07:12] <budgieboy_> ye but in ubuntu you can add the games from the add remove automatically
[07:12] <stdin> ;)
[07:12] <SlimG2> hehe
[07:12] <atlfalcons866> is firefox included with kubuntu
[07:12] <budgieboy_> instead of going to some website and doing stupid things
[07:12] <genii> budgieboy_: Only if the repositories the games are in are in your sources.list file. there is no difference in that way
[07:13] <stdin> SlimG2: you're not the only person to ever do that :)
[07:13] <stdin> atlfalcons866: no, not by default
[07:14] <genii> budgieboy_: If the games you are trying to install are from some website, in ubunto or kubuntu it would be the same.
[07:14] <genii> *ubuntu
[07:14] <budgieboy_> I have to compile the package, I'm usless at doing that, I can find a installer :(
[07:14] <genii> I need a typing tutor today ;)
[07:15] <emilsedgh> if anyone wants to have a package for something, just tell me (if the program isnt huge, im on slow connection) (and i will __TRY__ to do so)
[07:16] <atlfalcons866> my sister has an older computer with any os
[07:16] <SlimG2> stdin: additionally It's not the first time either, also managed to install a KDE-app along with all the KDE dependencies onto a nogui-server, on the bright side: the server now looks incredibly good ;)
[07:16] <atlfalcons866> will 256mb ram work on kubuntu
[07:16] <genii> atlfalcons866: yes
[07:16] <Tm_T> atlfalcons866: does work
[07:16] <stdin> emilsedgh: nah, I'll use launchpad to do that for me ;)
[07:16] <emilsedgh> atlfalcons866: yes it will
[07:16] <atlfalcons866> slow
[07:16] <genii> atlfalcons866: I am running a Kubuntu Feisty box here with 128Mb
[07:16] <emilsedgh> stdin: to do what?!
[07:17] <emilsedgh> stdin: launchpad creates packages?! :D
[07:17] <atlfalcons866> genii: how fasts the processor
[07:17] <stdin> SlimG2: I've done that (well, not kde). installed an app with apt-get and tried running it only to find I installed it on another system :p
[07:17] <genii> atlfalcons866: Pentium 2 400Mhz
[07:17] <atlfalcons866> my sister has a p3 866Mhz
[07:17] <budgieboy_> aww it's going at 472.9kb/s thats really slow :P
[07:18] <budgieboy_> Im getting wormux
[07:18] <atlfalcons866> my computer is pentium 3 933Mhz
[07:18] <stdin> emilsedgh: there's a feature in launchpad beta called PPA (Personal Package Archive), let's you have a repo, just like archive.ubuntu.com
[07:18] <SlimG2> stdin: hehe
[07:19] <emilsedgh> stdin: nice, but i dont want to create a repository, just learning how-to create packages, i created a package for kirocker and yakuake, if i find more things, i will try to create more packages
[07:19] <SlimG2> emilsedgh: #ubuntu-motu
[07:19] <stdin> emilsedgh: well you learn how to create good packages with it, as it builds it like the ubuntu packages, in a chroot
[07:20] <genii> atlfalcons866: This box is very laggy when the apps are loading up but after everything is up and going it's surprisingly fast
[07:20] <atlfalcons866> cool
[07:20] <emilsedgh> SlimG2: im not yet experienced to be a motu ;)
[07:20] <emilsedgh> stdin: hm, im browsing it
[07:21] <atlfalcons866> what does the kde package install
[07:21] <SlimG2> emilsedgh: You'll still be able to receive help there and links to good tutorials
[07:21] <emilsedgh> you are right, thanks, SlimG2
[07:22] <stdin> atlfalcons866: it's a meta-package, it just depends on other packages
[07:22] <SlimG2> emilsedgh: there's also a tutorial on the official wiki under developement
[07:22] <plb> just gave kubuntu gutsy a try and noticed clicking K menu gives a nice little special effect...where exactly is the option for that?
[07:22] <emilsedgh> SlimG2: I read many tutoria;s
[07:22] <genii> budgieboy_: when i do: apt-cache search wormux on my computer it shows it available to install, "wormux - funny fight game on 2D maps"  I don't know why you are downloading or trying to compile it
[07:22] <SlimG2> emilsedgh: did you read the one on the wiki? it's good
[07:22] <habbled> hey, does anyone know how format a usb hard drive on kubuntu?
[07:22] <stdin> emilsedgh: https://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html is a good one to start with
[07:22] <budgieboy_> now I cant install wormux!
[07:23] <SlimG2> ^ That's the one
[07:23] <Dr_willis> !info wormux
[07:23] <ubotu> wormux: funny fight game on 2D maps. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.7.9-3 (feisty), package size 479 kB, installed size 1384 kB
[07:23] <emilsedgh> thanks guys
[07:23] <angasule> ahoy, is there a graphical front end for at (or cron)? kcron is worse than using straight cron so it doesn't count
[07:23] <atlfalcons866> habbled: i think you can use gparted
[07:23] <stdin> budgieboy_: have you enabled the repositories?
[07:24] <genii> Dr_willis: Yup
[07:24] <budgieboy_> I don't know, infact my head is actually hurting!
[07:24] <atlfalcons866> habbled: do sudo apt-get install gparted
[07:24] <budgieboy_> I've got a headache
[07:24] <budgieboy_> what reposotories?
[07:25] <stdin> budgieboy_: look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:26] <genii> stdin: Thx
[07:26] <budgieboy_> I need to go, BRB
[07:26] <budgieboy_> and if this doesn't work I might aswell install ubuntu, waiting 6 weeks for this free cd was pointless
[07:27] <Tm_T> budgieboy_: and how "installing ubuntu" would solve your problem?
[07:27] <genii> bah
[07:28] <giga> hi all
[07:28] <giga> can somone help me?
[07:28] <Tm_T> !helpme
[07:28] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:28] <giga> I'm searching for Mark Shuttleworth
[07:28] <Tm_T> giga: for?
[07:28] <stdin> look in space, he's always there
[07:29] <giga> I do not know his NickName
[07:29] <stdin> !sabdfl
[07:29] <ubotu> Mark "sabdfl" Shuttleworth is our favourite cosmonaut, the founder of Canonical and the primary driver behind Ubuntu. You can find pieces of his thinking at http://www.markshuttleworth.com
[07:29] <budgieboy_> Im back
[07:29] <Tm_T> stdin: bah, I was so pasting that url already
[07:29] <giga> :) Thanks a lot:)
[07:29] <stdin> he's normally in #ubuntu-devel and #launchpad too
[07:29] <budgieboy_> I'm used to ubuntu thats why it would solve my problem
[07:30] <giga> thats my first time in IRC
[07:30] <giga> oh I see
[07:30] <emilsedgh> anyone knows what he did that he becomes the first patron of kde?
[07:30] <stdin> gave them a ton of money :)
[07:31] <giga> do you know about Deer Leap Foundation?
[07:31] <budgieboy_> oh great, I've broken the repositories thing
[07:31] <giga> www.dlf.ge
[07:31] <budgieboy_> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in a terminal as root and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[07:32] <genii> budgieboy_: I think you should run:   sudo apt-get update
[07:32] <budgieboy_> Type /home/budgieboy/home/budgieboy is not known on line 44 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:33] <genii> Well, there's a likely source of problems
[07:33] <plb> Anyone know where the special effects option for K-menu in gutsy is?
[07:33] <budgieboy_> maybe someone can use desktop sharing to install my games?
[07:33] <stdin> plb: you could ask in #ubuntu+1
[07:34] <plb> thanks
[07:34] <budgieboy_> could someone do desktop sharing with me and fix it :(
[07:34] <genii> budgieboy_: You need to reopen the file. By:   kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list          then remove any line which does not begin with a # or the word deb or deb-src    then save the file again, and reissue:   sudo apt-get update
[07:35] <budgieboy_> what file?
[07:36] <budgieboy_> Host:192.168.1.3:0 Pass:rqZB-qdf
[07:36] <budgieboy_> thats to connect to my desktop
[07:36] <genii> budgieboy_: Please. Pay attention.
[07:36] <budgieboy_> But I don't know what to do!
[07:36] <genii> budgieboy_: do:        kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:37] <budgieboy_> where?
[07:37] <genii> budgieboy_: in a konsole
[07:37] <budgieboy_> finally
[07:37] <budgieboy_> now what...
[07:38] <pag> budgieboy_, as said three minutes ago: "then remove any line which does not begin with a # or the word deb or deb-src    then save the file again, and reissue:   sudo apt-get update "
[07:38] <genii> budgieboy_: After that file opens... remove any line which does not begin with a # or the word deb or the word deb-src
[07:38] <genii> pag: Thanks
[07:39] <budgieboy_> I have bad memory, I should have told you that >.>
[07:39] <budgieboy_> Type ok is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:40] <genii> budgieboy_: "ok" does not begin with a # or deb or deb-src              please repeat steps
[07:41] <budgieboy_> I found it!
[07:41] <budgieboy_> little bugger sneaked up on the first line
[07:42] <budgieboy_> I guess that why it said "line 1"
[07:42] <budgieboy_> Malformed line 43 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[07:42] <genii> budgieboy_: Likely you typed in there when you intended to type in irc instead.
[07:42] <matthew__> matt
[07:42] <winbond> is the a image converter for linux (is in iso converter)
[07:42] <budgieboy_> or I was tping to myself >.>
[07:42] <stdin> !iso | winbond
[07:42] <ubotu> winbond: To mount an ISO disc image, type  sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint>  - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.
[07:43] <winbond> thanks
[07:43] <genii> budgieboy_: OK you should know the step now to edit it. Open and put a # at beginning of that problemmatic line
[07:44] <budgieboy_> where?
[07:44] <genii> budgieboy_: line 43.
[07:44] <budgieboy_> ok
[07:44] <winbond> stdin, anything else? i need to convert dmg to iso
[07:45] <budgieboy_> line 43 has dep infront of it, I thought that was ok?
[07:45] <budgieboy_> deb I mean
[07:45] <genii> budgieboy_: If a line in that file does not start with # or deb or deb-src   it will cause an error
[07:45] <budgieboy_> this has deb-src
[07:45] <genii> budgieboy_: Do you know how to use the pastebin website?
[07:46] <budgieboy_> yes
[07:46] <budgieboy_> I remember that
[07:46] <budgieboy_> can't remember the address though
[07:46] <stdin> winbond: hmm, is .dmg the mac format?
[07:46] <genii> budgieboy_: OK good. Use the pastebin to copy in there the contents of your entire file we are diting.
[07:46] <genii> *editing
[07:46] <winbond> stdin, yup
[07:46] <genii> !pastebin
[07:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:47] <genii> budgieboy_: line 43 nees a second part to the line saying what part of the repository and what distribution of ubuntu
[07:47] <stdin> winbond: iirc those are just files formatted with HFS, you _should_ be able to mount them and the create an iso from that
[07:48] <budgieboy_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39392/
[07:48] <genii> budgieboy_: OK, reading
[07:48] <winbond> stdin, mount it with a mount command?
[07:48] <stdin> winbond: yeah, like you'd mount an ISO
[07:48] <winbond> stdin, ok , will try , thanks
[07:49] <budgieboy_> I still remember installing beryl on ubuntu,that was easy
[07:49] <genii> budgieboy_: Add to the end of that line the word multiverse    just as in the line above
[07:49] <atlfalcons866> how can i change 1 click to double click
[07:49] <budgieboy_> I knew it!
[07:50] <budgieboy_> silly me
[07:50] <budgieboy_> alformed line 43 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[07:50] <budgieboy_> What now :(
[07:51] <genii> budgieboy_: While you are in there remove the # from start of lines 35 and 36
[07:51] <Dr_willis> malformed line - typo allert. :)
[07:51] <budgieboy_> done and done!
[07:51] <stdin> atlfalcons866: system settings > keyboard & mouse > mouse
[07:51] <genii> budgieboy_: OK, now save it
[07:51] <budgieboy_> still get the eror
[07:52] <genii> budgieboy_: About line 43 ?
[07:52] <Admiral_Chicago> budgieboy_: after you save do you do sudo apt-get update?
[07:52] <budgieboy_> yes
[07:52] <Admiral_Chicago> budgieboy_: what does that one line say?
[07:52] <budgieboy_> Malformed line 43 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[07:52] <Admiral_Chicago> paste only that line in the channel
[07:53] <Admiral_Chicago> no what does like 43 tell you
[07:53] <genii> Admiral_Chicago: It was missing the repo part (multiverse) at end
[07:53] <budgieboy_> No  shit sherlock, I'm not that stupid :p
[07:53] <Admiral_Chicago> in your sources.list
[07:53] <budgieboy_> oh
[07:53] <genii> Admiral_Chicago: The link is in here
[07:53] <stdin> !language | budgieboy_
[07:53] <ubotu> budgieboy_: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:53] <budgieboy_> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu feisty-security
[07:53] <Admiral_Chicago> I just got here genii
[07:54] <Stilo> Can anybody help me with this patch: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xgl/+bug/113742
[07:54] <budgieboy_> all this just to install two games >:(
[07:54] <Stilo> ?
[07:54] <Admiral_Chicago> well I get unknown host error for that line.
[07:55] <ompaul> budgieboy_, and that line is incomplete it needs a word after it - main restricted universe multiverse   -- mostly you must have altered them cos they  are there by default in a default install ...
[07:55] <atlfalcons866> will kde4 be in 7.10
[07:55] <Admiral_Chicago> atlfalcons866: no
[07:55] <Admiral_Chicago> it won't be released until december, after 7.10 is released
[07:55] <W8TAH> how stable is gusty beta?
[07:55] <atlfalcons866> its gutsy
[07:56] <budgieboy_> DONE!
[07:56] <budgieboy_> yes
[07:56] <Admiral_Chicago> Stilo: what do you want to do with the patch?
[07:56] <stdin> W8TAH: It is development software and as such unstable, support ONLY in #ubuntu+1
[07:56] <genii> budgieboy_: did:  sudo apt-get update         succeed?
[07:56] <budgieboy_> ok, how to install the games?
[07:56] <W8TAH> stdin: cool enough
[07:56] <budgieboy_> yes
[07:56] <simon__> hi all
[07:56] <budgieboy_> I still need to install the games
[07:57] <genii> budgieboy_: good. Now you can install wormux or any other game which is in the repositories by your package manager (Adept)
[07:57] <budgieboy_> ok
[07:57] <Stilo> Admiral_Chicago: I have the problem described in the bug description.
[07:57] <Admiral_Chicago> Stilo: what release are you on?
[07:57] <budgieboy_> all the games show in the list!
[07:57] <budgieboy_> yay
[07:58] <budgieboy_> just like on ubuntu
[07:58] <Stilo> where can i look for that?
[07:58] <genii> budgieboy_: enjoy
[07:58] <Admiral_Chicago> Stilo: looks like the fix will be in Gutsy
[07:58] <budgieboy_> Also, does beryl run on this?
[07:59] <deviance> Can someone tell me how to group two windows in compiz?
[07:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> well good morning people
[07:59] <Admiral_Chicago> wait no, Stilo i lied.  It looks like the fix is available now.  "Fix released" means a fix is available, but O, mpt sire wjere
[07:59] <Daisuke_Laptop> deviance: make sure it's enabled in ccsm and use the binding it shows
[08:00] <stdin> Admiral_Chicago: looks like it was applied and released
[08:00] <deviance> Ah ok
[08:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> usually involves selecting both windows and doing something, i only played with it once...
[08:00] <Admiral_Chicago> stdin: where was it released is my question?  That was for September, unless its in feisty-updates...
[08:01] <Stilo> My version of xserver-xgl is ~git.20070224-0ubuntu3
[08:01] <budgieboy_> oh got my bladder is gonna pop!
[08:01] <budgieboy_> brb
[08:02] <stdin> Admiral_Chicago: it was filed against a gutsy version, and the fix was released in gutsy
[08:02] <Stilo> What can i do?
[08:02] <Admiral_Chicago> stdin: that can't be because gutsy isn'
[08:03] <stdin> hold on...
[08:03] <Admiral_Chicago> isn't released.  the appropriate state would be fix commited if its in gutsy
[08:03] <Stilo> yes the other chan says its fixed in gutsy
[08:03] <Admiral_Chicago> it will be in gutsy according to packages.ubuntu.com
[08:03] <budgieboy_> ahhhhhhhh
[08:04] <stdin> ok, it was marked as fix-release because the latest gutsy package already had the fix, it's not in feisty it seems
[08:04] <Admiral_Chicago> http://tinyurl.com/ystfwo
[08:04] <budgieboy_> does beryl run on kubuntu?
[08:04] <Admiral_Chicago> Stilo: the answer to your question is wait for gutsy to come out or upgrade to the beta if you're feelin adventerous
[08:05] <budgieboy_> yay frozen bubble 2 B******
[08:05] <Stilo> okay.. thanks
[08:05] <emilsedgh> budgieboy_: i am addicted to frozen bubble :(
[08:05] <stdin> budgieboy_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnFeisty
[08:06] <budgieboy_> I know how to install it
[08:06] <buz_> i'm trying to get rid of flashplugin, but somehow, gnash wont start playing on youtube?
[08:06] <buz_> (in gutsy)
[08:06] <budgieboy_> i was just wondering
[08:06] <stdin> buz_: don't think gnash can play youtube
[08:06] <LjL> are you sure gnash *can* work with youtube at all?
[08:06] <buz_> it says it should work
[08:06] <LjL> i *think* swfdec can do youtube
[08:06] <buz_> it displays the player, but then doesnt start playing it
[08:06] <LjL> buz_: where?
[08:07] <buz_> gimme a sec to find the page in the history
[08:07] <buz_> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-474596.html
[08:07] <budgieboy_> haha!
[08:07] <budgieboy_> I lost
[08:07] <budgieboy_> on internet
[08:08] <buz_> but i dont get any query to install any codecs
[08:08] <stdin> are you on gutsy?
[08:08] <buz_> yes
[08:08] <LjL> then, for starters, you should be asking in #ubuntu+1...
[08:08] <buz_> yeah but support for kubuntu is scarce there
[08:09] <buz_> then again, it doesnt work in firefox either ;)
[08:09] <buz_> so maybe i should go ask there ;)
[08:09] <budgieboy_> lost again!
[08:10] <Webbmaster> hi
[08:11] <budgieboy_> yay I won
[08:12] <budgieboy_> and again
[08:12] <stdin> budgieboy_: what are you doing?
[08:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> i knew there was a reason i installed elinks on the desktop machine
[08:13] <aco_> how to call the "volyme manager" ?
[08:14] <stdin> what is "volyme manager" ?
[08:14] <nosrednaekim> volume manager?
[08:14] <aco_> hmm the thing that you can adjust volyme in kubuntu
[08:15] <stdin> volume
[08:15] <aco_> volume*
[08:15] <nosrednaekim> kmix?
[08:15] <aco_> thx
[08:16] <deviance> Hmm, all my window decoration shows up, except for OpenOffice's, any ideas why?
[08:16] <nosrednaekim> deviance: compiz?
[08:16] <deviance> Yeah
[08:17] <nosrednaekim> deviance: indeed, same for me
[08:17] <deviance> Hmm, I wish I could atleast resize it :)
[08:17] <deviance> :(*
[08:17] <nosrednaekim> deviance: press "alt" and drag the mouse..
[08:17] <nosrednaekim> I think that resizes
[08:17] <stdin> that's move isn't it
[08:17] <deviance> Thats move
[08:18] <ghozala> anybody help me plz i ve dowloaded a linux style file with .zip extention how can i apply this style
[08:18] <deviance> But I cant move it either
[08:18] <nosrednaekim> hmmm there is another one....
[08:19] <VSpike> deviance: does open office show full screen?
[08:19] <budgieboy_> AHAH! he left!
[08:19] <VSpike> deviance: I had that problem and it was caused by a compatibility setting
[08:19] <budgieboy_> I won ^^ 5 4
[08:19] <nosrednaekim> VSpike: yeah.
[08:20] <deviance> VSpike: Any ideas which one?
[08:20] <deviance> Or was it Compiz or Emeralds fault?
[08:20] <VSpike> nosrednaekim: turn off Utility->Workarounds->Legacy Fullscreen Support
[08:20] <ghozala> hay what is keyboard short cut to switch input language like alt+shift in windows
[08:20] <ghozala> anybody help me plz i ve dowloaded a linux style file with .zip extention how can i apply this style
[08:21] <xenol> can someone tell me some good karamba themes that r useful?
[08:21] <nosrednaekim> VSpike: i'll try that when I go back into compiz
[08:21] <nosrednaekim> xenol: I like the Ipod amarok controller
[08:21] <VSpike> nosrednaekim: I turned it on in an attempt to make kscreensaver behave, but it didn't help and it made open office show fullscreen with no decoration
[08:21] <xenol> nosrednaekim: which one? nano or shuffle?
[08:21] <bsundsrud> anyone ever have luck trying to get a refund for windows on a recently purchased computer?
[08:22] <VSpike> I wasn't using emerald so it must be a compiz problem
[08:22] <nosrednaekim> xenol: it has different skins
[08:22] <xenol> nosrednaekim: anything other?
[08:22] <nosrednaekim> VSpike: humm, so this setting is in CCSM?
[08:22] <VSpike> nosrednaekim: yep
[08:22] <nosrednaekim> xenol: been a while since I used it.
[08:22] <nosrednaekim> ok
[08:22] <deviance> VSpike: Does your screensaver only show in a corner?
[08:23] <VSpike> deviance: yeah :/
[08:23] <VSpike> deviance: mostly
[08:23] <xenol> nosrednaekim: anything other u can advise?
[08:23] <deviance> It does unless I lock the PC myself
[08:23] <VSpike> deviance: sometimes it covers everything apart from the kicker, and occasionally it even works right
[08:23] <nosrednaekim> xenol: other than have plenty of extra RAM? no.
[08:23] <deviance> Any work arround for that VSpike
[08:23] <genii> bsundsrud: I managed to get $60 back for a customer on a machine, we had to bring it in and they low level formatted the HD which had some oem install on a separate partition.
[08:23] <nosrednaekim> deviance: got the same problem...lol
[08:23] <VSpike> deviance: interesting - i noticed that using test from the screensaver setup always works fine
[08:23] <xenol> nosrednaekim: 1gb ram to go =] 
[08:23] <deviance> Try ctrl-alt-l
[08:23] <deviance> L
[08:24] <deviance> It locks it, and that works fine for me
[08:24] <nosrednaekim> deviance: that would be ctrl+shift+alt+l ;)
[08:24] <VSpike> deviance: Nope - the setting I just mentioned was suggested as a fix somewhere, and it didnt work for me
[08:24] <bsundsrud> genii: interesting, i just talked to a few different HP guys and they said they "can't". Under any circumstances
[08:24] <ghozala> help!!!!! how can i install new themes
[08:24] <VSpike> ghozala: where did you download the theme from?
[08:24] <deviance> Thanks for the tip on the open office, it works fine now
[08:24] <VSpike> ghozala: what is it a theme for
[08:24] <VSpike> deviance: no probs :)
[08:25] <ghozala> guistyles.com
[08:25] <bsundsrud> ghozala: it looks like all of those are for windows
[08:25] <bsundsrud> oh wait
[08:26] <ghozala> then any body have any idea where i can get styles for linux and how i can install them
[08:26] <bsundsrud> kde-look.org has a bunch
[08:27] <bsundsrud> under themes/styles and window decorations
[08:27] <VSpike> ghozala: those are probably styles for gnome.. if you are running kde (which i assume you are) then go to the site bsundsrud said
[08:27] <genii> bsundsrud: This was an Acer system
[08:27] <bsundsrud> genii: direct from acer, or through a retail outlet?
[08:27] <ghozala> ya i am on kde
[08:28] <genii> bsundsrud: Through Best buy
[08:28] <ghozala> thanks bsundsrud
[08:28] <bsundsrud> ghozala: i believe the install instructions are there, or at least with the theme
[08:28] <bsundsrud> genii: yeah, thought so.  It's gonna be hard to get them to do it since i got it direct from HP
[08:29] <bsundsrud> ah well whatever.  maybe i'll just shrink vista to 20G just so the license doesnt go to waste
[08:29] <genii> bsundsrud: Yeah not a bad idea
[08:30] <nosrednaekim> bsundsrud: thats what I did.
[08:30] <budgieboy_> I have vista and xp
[08:30] <budgieboy_> and linux
[08:30] <budgieboy_> :P
[08:30] <budgieboy_> and 98
[08:30] <bsundsrud> haha but whats the size of the vista base OS? isnt it something like 10G itself?
[08:30] <VSpike> deviance: one fix I haven't tried yet would be to try switching to xscreensaver instead.  I seem to remember that it lacks the "switch user" option though, which I need
[08:30] <budgieboy_> 5gb
[08:30] <budgieboy_> mine is
[08:30] <deviance> Hmm
[08:30] <deviance> I'm not sure
[08:30] <bsundsrud> maybe after i cut out the HP added bloat
[08:30] <deviance> Does it support the Open GL screen savers?
[08:31] <VSpike> deviance: someone else also suggested using the compiz screensaver plugin (which I think you have to compile probably) but that lacks password locking
[08:31] <bsundsrud> ah well, the laptop itself is awesome, all stuff thats supported in linux
[08:31] <VSpike> deviance: yep, it supports most of the same set as kscreensaver
[08:31] <deviance> VSpike: I need the password protecting
[08:31] <deviance> Although, i have noticed, my screensaver has a slightly lower opactiy with CF running
[08:32] <VSpike> deviance: there are lots of articles around about switching kde to using xscreensaver - i did it myself under edgy because kscreensaver just wouldn't work for me
[08:32] <VSpike> deviance: yeah, same here
[08:32] <deviance> I also like Kdestop as you need it for the snow :P
[08:32] <bsundsrud> budgieboy_: is that vista footprint with home basic? or which version?
[08:32] <deviance> But it means I only get a single wallpaper
[08:32] <budgieboy_> ultimate
[08:33] <bsundsrud> ok then
[08:33] <bsundsrud> getting home premium on mine (lowest option)
[08:33] <budgieboy_> I'm not sure the size, I think the windows folder was 5gb
[08:33] <VSpike> deviance: also see the fourth post on this page http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?p=24755
[08:33] <bsundsrud> what partition size did you give it?
[08:33] <VSpike> deviance: I've not tried that either - looks like you may need to tweak depending on which saver you use
[08:33] <peter_>  can anyone tell me how to install this driver... gspcav1-20070508.ebuild...or any webcam driver for that matter?
[08:34] <bsundsrud> i was under the assumption that webcam drivers came built in as part of the V4L stuff in the kernel...
[08:34] <VSpike> deviance: if you want to switch to xscreensaver, look at http://www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/man1.html and search for KDE
[08:35] <budgieboy_> can anyone recomend me desktop enviroments and stuff, like in suse linux in wich you get little tuxes that go around the screen like that classic game "whatever  it's called"
[08:35] <peter_> yea but not all webcams are supported
[08:35] <deviance> I take a look :D
[08:35] <xenol> please how can i make my windows in kde transparent?
[08:35] <deviance> Hmm, hes set shadow winds not on docks, can you do the same for menues? It doesnt look too good
[08:35] <nosrednaekim> peter_: that is a gentoo ebuild... that woun't work in ubuntu.
[08:36] <bsundsrud> peter_: sorry, i don't know much about it, except that the file you mentioned there is for gentoo linux, so if you're using kubuntu it wont work
[08:36] <nosrednaekim> xenol: do you have a good graphics card?
[08:36] <peter_> i see , thanks ......been going crazy trying to get my webcam to work
[08:36] <bsundsrud> what kind is it?
[08:36] <peter_> it work in ekiga but nowhere else
[08:36] <xenol> nosrednaekim: a bit older
[08:37] <nosrednaekim> xenol: how much? within the last 4 years? and is it ATI...
[08:37] <xenol> nosrednaekim: 3 years i guess and y ati
[08:37] <xenol> nosrednaekim: drivers r installed dont want to see xgl and compiz
[08:38] <budgieboy_> anyone know of any desktop toys?
[08:38] <deviance> VSpike: I also set the "Shadow Windows" setting to "any & !type=dock", so Katapult looks better
[08:38] <budgieboy_> for kubuntu
[08:38] <nosrednaekim> xenol: oh.. you don't want compiz
[08:38] <Dig> oi oi oi
[08:38] <Dig> hello world
[08:38] <nosrednaekim> budgieboy_: amor is I think what you are referring to
[08:38] <peter_> how can i tell my webcam i being properly detected?
[08:38] <budgieboy_> ok
[08:38] <deviance> VSpike: Do you know your types? I want to know the menu type as right click menus look awefull with shadows on
[08:38] <xenol> nosrednaekim: do i need compiz for it? i got it installed and got only probs with it
[08:38] <VSpike> deviance: no, i made the same setting as you for katapult, but I only copied it
[08:39] <nosrednaekim> xenol: compiz IS easier I think with ATI than trying to get KDE native transparency working.
[08:39] <VSpike> deviance: try #compiz-fusion or #ubuntu-effects
[08:39] <deviance> Im in CF and just asked :D
[08:39] <xenol> nosrednaekim:  do i need xgl?
[08:39] <VSpike> deviance: :)
[08:39] <deviance> As you will see
[08:39] <nosrednaekim> xenol: yeah... probably
[08:39] <nosrednaekim> xenol: which CAN be a pain.
[08:40] <xenol> nosrednaekim: uff and native kde transparency?
[08:40] <budgieboy_> getting updates first
[08:40] <budgieboy_> theres tons!
[08:40] <budgieboy_> lucky I have 8meg :D
[08:40] <xenol> nosrednaekim: when i had fusion i got problems with shadow, till now i dont know how to fix it
[08:40] <nosrednaekim> xenol: use beryl.
[08:40] <Dig> i heard beryl was dead
[08:40] <nosrednaekim> Dig: bot for fiesty
[08:40] <nosrednaekim> *not
[08:41] <budgieboy_> beryl is cool
[08:41] <xenol> nosrednaekim: i guess it would be wors
[08:41] <Dig> yeah
[08:41] <xenol> nosrednaekim: i guess it would be worse*
[08:41] <budgieboy_> untill 30mins
[08:41] <Dig> i like it better than compiz
[08:41] <nosrednaekim> xenol: what would be worse?
[08:41] <budgieboy_> then it's just another desktop
[08:41] <xenol> nosrednaekim: beryl
[08:41] <nosrednaekim> I lovce compiz paper airplane plugin tho..lol
[08:41] <nosrednaekim> xenol: no, its a bit more stable.
[08:41] <Dig> but, its all better then vista
[08:41] <bomber> whats a good backup program I can use?
[08:41] <Dig> AREO!!!
[08:42] <bomber> i want to back up my system now that i have it the way i want it
[08:42] <Dig> is there a channel to discuss upgrades to ubuntu
[08:42] <xenol> !backup | bomber
[08:42] <ubotu> bomber: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[08:42] <bomber> thanks
[08:42] <nosrednaekim> Dig: like what kind?
[08:42] <xenol> nosrednaekim: u sure?
[08:42] <Dig> i dunno
[08:43] <Dig> i wanna upgrade to gusty when it comes out
[08:43] <nosrednaekim> xenol: yalp... from personal experience
[08:43] <nosrednaekim> Dig: its pretty stable right now.
[08:43] <Dig> but I dont have any experience with upgrading ubuntu
[08:43] <Dig> i am having alot of problems
[08:43] <Dig> with shound
[08:43] <xenol> nosrednaekim: did u ever had probs with it? :S
[08:43] <nosrednaekim> xenol: nope.
[08:43] <Dig> my mic does not work at all
[08:43] <xenol> Dig: got right codecs?
[08:43] <Dig> i can hear my voice, but cannot record or use voip
[08:44] <hitmanWilly> Dig: is the mic set to record?
[08:44] <nosrednaekim> turn up mic boost, and set the recoding channel to mic
[08:44] <Dig> yes, mic is set to record
[08:44] <Dig> mic is turned up
[08:44] <hitmanWilly> heh, just finished troubleshooting this myself last night...
[08:44] <deviance> VSpike: Got it.
[08:45] <deviance> I had to figure it out myself, but any & !type=dock & !type=dropdownmenu & !type=popupmenu
[08:45] <xenol> nosrednaekim: hum dont u know if i can use emerald without beryl?
[08:45] <hitmanWilly> Dig: you may need to set the channels to 2
[08:45] <nosrednaekim> xenol: without beryl?
[08:45] <ghozala> help!!!! how can i install .kth files
[08:45] <xenol> nosrednaekim: yeah i like some themes
[08:45] <hitmanWilly> Dig: do you have alsamixer installed?
[08:46] <Dig> hit can i send you a screenshot from kmix
[08:46] <Dig> to look at
[08:46] <nosrednaekim> xenol: nah... unfortunately not
[08:46] <budgieboy> sorry phone knocked it off!
[08:46] <xenol> nosrednaekim: that sux
[08:46] <hitmanWilly> Dig: can you open up alsamixer in a konsole?
[08:46] <budgieboy> 60% on updating :/
[08:46] <xenol> nosrednaekim:  well will   u be here tommorrow? not in a mood to do that
[08:46] <Dig> hitmanWilly: uyes
[08:46] <Dig> yes
[08:47] <hitmanWilly> Dig: ok, do that, then look for channels, set that to 2
[08:47] <nosrednaekim> xenol: BTW you can do kwin transparency in systemsettings->window specific settings_> transparency
[08:47] <budgieboy> whats "KDE wallet"?
[08:47] <nosrednaekim> budgieboy: it keeps paswords and stuff.
[08:48] <budgieboy> ohhh
[08:48] <budgieboy> well my password is wigg
[08:48] <hitmanWilly> Dig: just arrow over until you get to it
[08:48] <Dig> hit its set to 2
[08:48] <hitmanWilly> Dig: ok, hit tab to get to the input section
[08:48] <budgieboy> 81%
[08:48] <budgieboy> 
[08:49] <Dig> hitmanWilly: ja
[08:49] <budgieboy> I want to purchase suse LinUx
[08:49] <budgieboy> yay preparing upgrade!
[08:49] <tzanger> good afternoon
[08:49] <budgieboy> Bit**
[08:49] <tzanger> I have a strange KDE question
[08:50] <budgieboy> it's evening here
[08:50] <hitmanWilly> Dig: ok, do you see a captur with a L R underneath mic?
[08:50] <tzanger> is there any way to get emacs key bindings for Kate or any KDE editor?
[08:50] <Dig> ja
[08:50] <Dig> yes
[08:50] <budgieboy> lol
[08:50] <ghozala> help!!!! how can i install .kth files
[08:50] <hitmanWilly> Dig: ok, scroll over to the capture bar, and make sure it's up
[08:51] <budgieboy> Don't you dare speak to me like that!
[08:51] <Dig> hitmanWilly: 67
[08:51] <nosrednaekim> tzanger: I don't think so... but check #kde
[08:51] <Dig> capture
[08:51] <remotechief_311> wie komme ich ins deutsche forum
[08:51] <hitmanWilly> Dig: ok...esc out and do a uname -r
[08:51] <budgieboy> no swearing :P
[08:51] <hitmanWilly> !de
[08:51] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[08:51] <tzanger> nosrednaekim: thanks
[08:51] <Dig> 2.6.20-16-generic
[08:51] <budgieboy> you are swearing
[08:51] <budgieboy> 
[08:51] <hitmanWilly> hmmm
[08:52] <xenol> nosrednaekim:
[08:52] <budgieboy> <@
[08:52] <xenol> nosrednaekim: under transculency options?
[08:52] <Dig> hitmanWilly: does not sound encouraging
[08:52] <hitmanWilly> Dig: what type of soundcard do you have?
[08:52] <budgieboy> <@
[08:52] <Dig>  (N)
[08:52] <budgieboy>  \/
[08:52] <Dig> onboard
[08:52] <Dig> Realtek ALC850 rev 0
[08:52] <budgieboy> yay u[date done
[08:53] <hitmanWilly> Dig: hmmm, pretty close to mine
[08:53] <nosrednaekim> xenol: yeah
[08:53] <nosrednaekim> colse to mine too..
[08:53] <xenol> nosrednaekim: windows  r not transparent :/
[08:53] <nosrednaekim> xenol: you have to restart kde to initially get transparency
[08:53] <hitmanWilly> Dig: ok, hold on, let me check the tubes right quick
[08:53] <nosrednaekim> but not everytime you make a change afterwards
[08:55] <Dig> hitmanWilly: i gotta bounce out, can i get a hold of you later? are U here often?
[08:56] <budgieboy> <@
[08:56] <budgieboy>  /\ /\
[08:56] <hitmanWilly> Dig: not so much lately, but someone else here should be able to help
[08:56] <budgieboy> me
[08:57] <VSpike> deviance: thanks - applied
[08:57] <Dig> thx
[08:58] <ismakun> Has anyone installed Red Hat Developer studio or exadel in ubuntu without problems?
[08:58] <hitmanWilly> well, if he'd given me a couple more seconds, i'd have just had him try copying my config settings...lol
[08:58] <ismakun> need help installing Red Hat developer studio or exadel
[09:00] <hitmanWilly> ismakun: well, since its red hat, im assuming it comes as an rpm?
[09:00] <budgieboy> how do I install amor? It's 64bit
[09:00] <ismakun> it was a jar
[09:01] <ismakun> i installed it but the server emulation part wont work
[09:01] <ismakun> it uses jboss server is integrated with the program
[09:01] <hitmanWilly> ismakun: hmmm, got me, never used it
[09:02] <ismakun> by any chance is there somewhere with redhat repositories :)
[09:02] <budgieboy> whats the thing to make me have root privleges
[09:02] <hitmanWilly> !sudo | budgieboy
[09:02] <ubotu> budgieboy: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[09:03] <budgieboy> I installed amor all on my own ^^
[09:03] <budgieboy> all the codes are coming back to me
[09:04] <budgieboy> YAY it works!
[09:04] <budgieboy> whats the one where you have tux penguins around the screen?
[09:05] <xenol> nosrednaekim: definately unusable jerky and laggy :-/
[09:06] <nosrednaekim> xenol: yeah.. figured it would do that on a ATI card with no composite extension.
[09:06] <nosrednaekim> budgieboy: dunno use your l33 sk1lz ;)
[09:07] <xenol> nosrednaekim: if i install beryl this should happen right?
[09:07] <nosrednaekim> xenol: shouldn't?
[09:07] <xenol> nosrednaekim: yeah, i mistyped sry
[09:07] <budgieboy> the good thing about linux is, even though it's hard to understand at first, once you've got it you get that feeling..can't remember the name
[09:08] <budgieboy> even when you've done it before, in my case on suse and ubuntu :P
[09:08] <nosrednaekim> xenol: yeah... everything should be smooth with beryl.
[09:08] <budgieboy> yay, I installed wormux
[09:08] <xenol> nosrednaekim: so it will be enough to install beryl and set transculency?
[09:09] <nosrednaekim> xenol: no... you'll have to turn off transparency when you install beryl, and the configure the beryl plugin "opacity"
[09:10] <xenol> nosrednaekim: but i need xgl right? :/
[09:10] <nosrednaekim> xenol: yup.
[09:11] <budgieboy> AHAHH! blew a gnome of the map
[09:16] <xenol> nosrednaekim: u also using gnome?
[09:16] <nosrednaekim> no.. I'm on KDE
[09:16] <nosrednaekim> only
[09:19] <quixogre> afternoon all
[09:19] <xenol> nosrednaekim: how long have u been using kubuntu?
[09:19] <budgieboy> it's evenig here
[09:20] <quixogre> budgieboy: my apologies. good evening then ;)
[09:20] <budgieboy> good evening to you to ;)
[09:20] <quixogre> anyone seen uga today?
[09:20] <Divilinux> hi all
[09:21] <quixogre> Divilinux: hello
[09:21] <budgieboy> This is great! Now I can install anything easy ^^
[09:21] <nosrednaekim> xenol: 1.5 years, but was using suse b4 that.,and slackware before THAT.
[09:21] <nosrednaekim> haven't touched windows in over 5 years
[09:21] <budgieboy> sudu apt-get install is all I need
[09:21] <quixogre> suse rocks. if i hadnt discovered ubuntu, i'd still be using it
[09:21] <budgieboy> ye
[09:22] <budgieboy> same
[09:22] <quixogre> nosrednaekim: you're misisng out man. windows is good for one thing only...games
[09:22] <nosrednaekim> !seen uga
[09:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen uga - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:22] <budgieboy> unless you got cedega
[09:22] <xenol> nosrednaekim: lol slack? afaik it is one of the most installing distros out there
[09:23] <nosrednaekim> its got its fanbase.
[09:24] <quixogre> im trying to get a job with google. they're opening a center nto far from where i live
[09:24] <quixogre> not*
[09:25] <quixogre> think they're running RH of fedora. not sure though
[09:25] <quixogre> of = or*
[09:25] <quixogre> fat fingers. im a lousy typist
[09:27] <budgieboy> can anyone recomend me some desktop toys
[09:27] <quixogre> budgieboy: for what?
[09:27] <nosrednaekim> budgieboy: beryl?
[09:27] <quixogre> aye. beryl or compiz...
[09:27] <quixogre> lots of eye candy in those
[09:27] <budgieboy> no, jusr desktop toys
[09:28] <budgieboy> I want things that run around the desktop and stuff
[09:28] <quixogre> budgieboy: not i. im a command line geek. everything i want/need to do in linux, can be done in command line pretty much
[09:28] <xenol> if i want to start karamba themes upon logon do i have to move karamba into ~/.kde/Autostart?
[09:29] <quixogre> xenol: yes
[09:29] <budgieboy> ?
[09:29] <budgieboy> does anyone have any desktop toys to recomend me to download
[09:31] <budgieboy> amor is P*SSing me off!
[09:31] <budgieboy> gahh
[09:31] <Thug-life> !!
[09:31] <budgieboy> hah! killed him
[09:32] <quixogre> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the NVIDIA kernel module! Please ensure
[09:32] <quixogre> (EE) NVIDIA(0):     that there is a supported NVIDIA GPU in this system, and
[09:32] <quixogre> (EE) NVIDIA(0):     that the NVIDIA device files have been created properly.
[09:32] <quixogre> (EE) NVIDIA(0):     Please consult the NVIDIA README for details.
[09:32] <quixogre> (EE) NVIDIA(0):  *** Aborting ***
[09:32] <quixogre> getitng this error when i try running the nvidia drivers...anyone know how to fix it?
[09:32] <cloakable> !pastebin | quixogre
[09:32] <ubotu> quixogre: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:33] <quixogre> anyone know where to find the nvidia readme?
[09:33] <quixogre> cloakable. thanks, but thats where i pasted it from...http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39224/ is the whole file
[09:34] <quixogre> 5 lines isnt exactly a lot of text though.
[09:34] <cloakable> quixogre: Probably in /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx
[09:34] <quixogre> cloakable: thanks. will check there now
[09:35] <budgieboy> NOOO!
[09:37] <budgieboy> does anyone know of any destop gadgets?
[09:38] <mallize> screenlets
[09:38] <mallize> apt-get install screenlets
[09:39] <xenol> !screenlets
[09:39] <ubotu> Screenlets are little widgets for your !desktop. Note you must have !Compiz Fusion, !Beryl, xcompmgr, or KWin to run them. You can get them at http://www.screenlets.org/
[09:42] <Doctor_Nick> hilarity
[09:43] <budgieboy> lol one sucked the other ones ****
[09:43] <peter_> anyone uses gotmail?
[09:44] <budgieboy> couln't find package screenlets! :O
[09:45] <Doctor_Nick> dang it all
[09:53] <feierfox> hi
[09:54] <nosrednaekim> hey feierfox
[09:54] <bjwebb> hi
[09:54] <feierfox> i have my old problem
[09:55] <feierfox> cant mount my second HD
[09:55] <feierfox> in gutsy :(
[09:55] <mooper> hey, since I apt-get upgraded......my sound stopped working :-( any Ideas?
[09:56] <x_link> Hi everybody!
[09:56] <x_link> Just a question, is there any problems in Kubuntu 7.04 right now?
[09:56] <x_link> Since I installed Kubuntu for like 3 months ago it hasbeen working really great.
[09:56] <x_link> But this last 4-5 days I have had alot of problems.
[09:57] <quixogre> x_link: what kind of problems you looking for?
[09:57] <x_link> Like dispplay is freezing, firefox isn't opening etc.
[09:57] <quixogre> x-link have you updated or upgraded recently?
[09:57] <x_link> quixogre: So I'm just wondering if there is anything wrong with Kubuntu for now?
[09:57] <x_link> I have just re-installed it.
[09:58] <quixogre> so the problem started when you reinstalled? or you reinstalle dbecause of the problem?
[09:58] <mooper> I been having a few niggles with kubuntu. but nothing serious
[09:58] <x_link> quixogre: I re-installed because of the problem.
[09:58] <x_link> But I think it's pretty okey now.
[09:58] <x_link> quixogre: Should I change to gutsy you think?
[09:58] <quixogre> x-link, have you dont the apt-get upgrade yet?
[09:58] <x_link> Does everything work okey there?
[09:58] <x_link> quixogre: Yes, sudo aptitude update, sudo aptitude upgrade etc.
[09:59] <x_link> quixogre: But it works okey now.
[09:59] <quixogre> x_link: is 7.04 is buggy for you, avoid gutsy like the plague
[09:59] <quixogre> if*
[09:59] <x_link> This is the first time I ever had problems.
[09:59] <x_link> Maybe it's because of something else.
[09:59] <quixogre> x_link: gutsy is in beta still, and have heard of lots of problems with it
[09:59] <x_link> quixogre: Okej, what do you use+
[09:59] <x_link> ?
[09:59] <x_link> If I may ask.
[10:00] <quixogre> im using feisty...i'll let the braver souls test the beta code ;)
[10:00] <quixogre> same reason i refuse to use vista until at LEAST the first service pack comes out
[10:00] <x_link> quixogre: Okej =)
[10:00] <x_link> quixogre: I didn't like Vista at all.
[10:01] <quixogre> wouldnt know. havent even looked at it ;)
[10:01] <x_link> quixogre: I think it's to many menues etc.
[10:01] <x_link> quixogre: Hehe okej
[10:01] <quixogre> bjwebb: *insert shoe joke here*
[10:02] <bjwebb> quixogre: thankyou
[10:02] <quixogre> hehe
[10:02] <quixogre> bjwebb: define "silly" is it telling bad puns too?
[10:02] <x_link> quixogre: Thanks alot for your help.
[10:03] <x_link> I will continue using 7.04 =)
[10:03] <x_link> Bye!
[10:03] <bjwebb> quixogre: not quite
[10:03] <bjwebb> thats its normal behaviour :D
[10:04] <quixogre> bjwebb: are you using a seperate partion for /home?
[10:05] <quixogre> partition*
[10:05] <bjwebb> yes
[10:06] <quixogre> how is it being silly? is it not mounting?
[10:06] <bjwebb> it mounts
[10:06] <bjwebb> i can ls /home
[10:06] <bjwebb> but ls /home/bjwebb2 gives nothing
[10:07] <quixogre> im assuming bjwebb2 is a real user?
[10:07] <bjwebb> its a real directory
[10:07] <quixogre> bjwebb: if you use knoqueror and go to that directory...does it show anything?
[10:07] <bjwebb> the user's actually bjwebb, but the /home is being used by two installs and i wanted to keep config files separate
[10:08] <quixogre> bjwebb: try ls -lisa /home/bjwebb2
[10:08] <bjwebb> quixogre: ahh, i couldnt even log in graphically
[10:08] <bjwebb> quixogre: that worked!
[10:09] <bjwebb> wtf
[10:09] <quixogre> bjwebb: the files that begin with dot(.) wont show up with normal ls. need to use the -a option
[10:09] <jeri> hi everyone! how do i install libxines so i cud play mp3s on my dapper.
[10:09] <bjwebb> oh know i did that wrong
[10:09] <bjwebb> *shit*
[10:09] <quixogre> unix/linux hides files from the user, by putting a period at the beginning of the name
[10:10] <bjwebb> it doesn't work :S
[10:10] <bjwebb> it just hangs like normal ls
[10:10] <bjwebb> btw, i got a mesg from dmesg, not sure if its related
[10:10] <quixogre> hehe iforget the exact option to show all files. ASSUMED -a...man ls for exact details
[10:11] <quixogre> i normally just type ls -lisa...old habit
[10:11] <bjwebb> but anyway, it doesn't work
[10:11] <quixogre> !mp3 | jeri
[10:11] <ubotu> jeri: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:11] <quixogre> bjwebb: ls -lisa doenst work?
[10:12] <jeri> ok thx
[10:12] <DominiK83> excuse me.. i'm newbe.. how i can upgrade my kubuntu to the last release?? (excese for my bad english)
[10:12] <quixogre> DominiK83: sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:12] <DominiK83> only this?
[10:12] <bjwebb> quixogre: NO IT DOESN'T
[10:12] <bjwebb> oops
[10:12] <quixogre> DominiK83: what language do you speak?
[10:12] <bjwebb> sorry i knock caps when typing " for screen
[10:13] <DominiK83> quixogre: italian
[10:13] <quixogre> !it | DominiK83
[10:13] <nosrednaekim> DominiK83: are you experienced with kubuntu? because if not...gutsy is not ready for you yet. it has the occasional bug
[10:13] <ubotu> DominiK83: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[10:13] <jeri> i get errors like this :
[10:13] <jeri> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[10:13] <jeri> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[10:14] <bjwebb> is getting "kernel BUG" in dmesg a v bad think
[10:14] <bjwebb> !adeptfix
[10:14] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[10:14] <bjwebb> jeri: try what ubotu said
[10:14] <quixogre> jeri: ps -ef |grep adept
[10:14] <LjL> bjwebb: uhm, why would you think it's a bad thing? ;o)
[10:15] <bjwebb> LjL: erm i dunno......
[10:15] <LjL> bjwebb: file a bug :)
[10:15] <DominiK83> nosrednaekim: maybe i have two versions later. how can i see my version??
[10:15] <bjwebb> quixogre: could that be causing my problem?
[10:15] <nosrednaekim> DominiK83: well, the kernel will tell us., do a "uname -a"
[10:16] <quixogre> bjwebb: quite possibly...
[10:16] <bjwebb> quixogre: ill use my older kernel, see if its any different
[10:16] <bjwebb> bbiab
[10:16] <DominiK83> inosrednaek: im had remember the code.. i have edgy :D
[10:17] <quixogre> nosrednaekim: is there a way to apt-get newer versions of ubuntu?
[10:17] <DominiK83> nosrednaekim: i have edgy.. but i use  lsb_release -a
[10:17] <nosrednaekim> DominiK83: yeah... ok
[10:17] <nosrednaekim> quixogre: yeah..
[10:18] <nosrednaekim> !upgrade | DominiK83
[10:18] <ubotu> DominiK83: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[10:18] <quixogre> thanks ;)
[10:18] <DominiK83> nosrednaekim: ok.. how can i upgrade??
[10:18] <emilsedgh> quixogre: replace all feisty with gutsy in /etc/apt/sources.list, the apt-get update and apt-get upgrade
[10:18] <DominiK83> ah ok.. tnx ubotu
[10:18] <jeri> i dont know if my multiverse is ready,but already enabled it in the adept manager
[10:19] <quixogre> emilsedgh: im happy with feisty for now. thanks though
[10:20] <emilsedgh> quixogre: usually, upgrading will not break things and will make you happier ;)
[10:20] <nosrednaekim> emilsedgh: don't reccomend gutsy upgrades yet.
[10:20] <emilsedgh> nosrednaekim: ok, i will wait 2 more weeks :D
[10:20] <quixogre> lol heard too many bug reports for gutsy to be comfortable with it yet...gonna wait till its out of beta at least
[10:20] <nosrednaekim> thanks :)
[10:21] <quixogre> like i said earlier...i'll leave beta testing to braver souls. i have enough problems just with feisty
[10:22] <quixogre> anyone here use NVIDIA drivers?
[10:22] <quixogre> having a problem when i install NVIDIA on my system. x wont start
[10:23] <quixogre> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39224/ is link to the bad log file...if im running nv drivers, runs just fine. problem is with NVIDIA not getting loaded into kernel methinks
[10:24] <quixogre> uga: you alive?
[10:25] <quixogre> its NOT a problem with the xorg.conf. other than the fact that xorg.conf is calling nvidia drivers
[10:26] <uga> quixogre: no, I'm the ghost of uga =)
[10:26] <quixogre> alas poor uga. i knew him well. a man of infinite jest
[10:26] <MoNsTeR> hello
[10:26] <uga> =)
[10:27] <uga> quixogre: X won't start?
[10:27] <MoNsTeR> can somebody help me with beryl i have beryl with xgl working on gnome but how do i make another session with it for kde
[10:27] <quixogre> uga, need help with nvidia drivers bro. and you're the expert in this field...
[10:27] <uga> quixogre: after installing nvidia's installer?
[10:27] <quixogre> uga nope. x crashes if i run with nvidia drivers installed
[10:27] <uga> rather than expert, I hit my head against it, once and again ;)
[10:27] <quixogre> uga: yes. after running nvidias installer
[10:28] <uga> quixogre: did you try rmmod'ing first? to make sure lrm modules aren't loaded
[10:28] <uga> and then insmod /lib/modules... nvidia.ko
[10:28] <uga> just in case
[10:28] <uga> as modprobe gets modified by lrm to install their nvidia thing
[10:28] <quixogre> uga nope. thats what im thinking i need to do. not familiar with the commands though
[10:29] <MoNsTeR> if i were you uga i would install the resrticted drivers
[10:29] <uga> quixogre: just rmmod nvidia   then insmod /lib/modules/2.6.22-12-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko (replace with your current kernel number)
[10:29] <MoNsTeR> thats what i did when i had problems and it fixed it quik
[10:29] <uga> MoNsTeR: that's what I removed to fix my box quick ;)
[10:30] <uga> feisty's lrm are too old to run on new boxes
[10:30] <uga> and gutsy ones weren't up to date
[10:30] <uga> nvidia-new ones are now, I think
[10:30] <uga> on gutsy, not on feisty
[10:30] <MoNsTeR> lmao
[10:30] <Aranel> My Kubuntu running very slow, especially when I run Firefox, Open Office or c/p texts to Kopete. But In other distros, they're running fast, how can i boost its speed ?
[10:31] <MoNsTeR> can somebody help me with beryl i have beryl with xgl working on gnome but how do i make another session with it for kde
[10:31] <uga> MoNsTeR: the problem is that even after installing nvidia's installer, unless you remove lrm modules, it'll keep loading them before xorg, and your X will fail
[10:31] <uga> so you have to completely clear them out, and then install nvidia
[10:31] <MoNsTeR> uga,  i think i can help you
[10:31] <ScorpKing> hiya uga and quixogre.
[10:31] <ScorpKing> uga: i like quick solutions. :P
[10:31] <MoNsTeR> uga, start up with vesa
[10:32] <MoNsTeR> issue this command gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf
[10:32] <uga> ScorpKing: then apt-get remove linux-restricted-modules* nvidia-glx, and run Nvidia installer =)
[10:32] <ScorpKing> Aranel: do you have enough ram and swap space?
[10:32] <quixogre> james@james-desktop:~/Desktop$ insmod /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko
[10:32] <quixogre> insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko': -1 Operation not permitted
[10:32] <uga> MoNsTeR: I'm not sure if you got it... my box runs fine!
[10:32] <uga> MoNsTeR: just not with gutsy's or feisty's packs
[10:33] <MoNsTeR> uga oh
[10:33] <uga> they're too old to run on new nvidia cards
[10:33] <uga> as I said
[10:33] <MoNsTeR> uga, then i missed some of your conversation
[10:33] <uga> MoNsTeR: I was trying to help out quixogre with same issues
[10:33] <Aranel> ScorpKing: 512 ram (but I think I have a problem with my P4 2.4 ghz :) ) and 204 mb swap(is it very low?)
[10:33] <uga> quixogre: as root. Sudo
[10:33] <MoNsTeR> can somebody help me with beryl i have beryl with xgl working on gnome but how do i make another session with it for kde
[10:33] <uga> quixogre: insmod and rmmod require you to be root
[10:34] <bjwebb> can anyone expalin this http://pastebin.ca/723482
[10:34] <uga> quixogre: ie, sudo insmod /lib/modules/..../nvidia.ko
[10:34] <quixogre> uga, done. now what?
[10:34] <uga> quixogre: it loaded fine? then do X :1 &
[10:34] <ScorpKing> Aranel: i sugest making swap at least 500mb. in konsole type free to see how much ram you have left.
[10:34] <uga> quixogre: with sudo
[10:35] <uga> that should start up a nice nvidia screen?
[10:35] <Aranel> ScorpKing: 137 :(
[10:35] <uga> if it does, then the nvidia drivers are working
[10:35] <Aranel> ScorpKing: and 54 in swap.
[10:35] <ScorpKing> Aranel: hmmm. can you increase swap?
[10:36] <quixogre> tellin me command not found..
[10:36] <rockets> Is KDE 4 going to be in the Hardy Heron?
[10:36] <jeri> help anyone i cant install libxine-extracodecs,in the terminal it says no installation candidate
[10:36] <rockets> Assuming KDE 4 is released on time
[10:36] <Aranel> ScorpKing: yes I can increase it.
[10:36] <ScorpKing> Aranel: that might not be the problem but low swap could cause a lot of problems
[10:36] <uga> quixogre: ah? X is the Xorg server. It should exist =)
[10:36] <rockets> jeri, libxine-extracodecs is a dummy package
[10:36] <Aranel> ScorpKing: 1 gb? 5 ? can u suggest a size ?
[10:36] <rockets> jeri, theres no point
[10:37] <uga> quixogre: are you in a tty right now, or in gfx mode
[10:37] <ScorpKing> Aranel: 1gb
[10:37] <quixogre> uga: gfx...
[10:37] <quixogre> go to terminal and try it?
[10:37] <Aranel> ScorpKing: ok, i'll do it. Thanks.
[10:37] <uga> quixogre: well, not a good idea to load and start xorg with a different driver while xorg is up
[10:37] <ScorpKing> np
[10:37] <quixogre> uga. kk. will go to temrinal and try it...
[10:38] <uga> quixogre: in order to stop xorg, sudo /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[10:38] <uga> quixogre: then sudo rmmod nvidia, sudo insmod /lib/modules.../nvidia.ko
[10:38] <jeri> i guess i theres no other way to play mp3s?
[10:38] <uga> quixogre: and start it up again: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start
[10:38] <quixogre> uga hehe i've gotten very good at starting and stopping X in the last two days ;)
[10:38] <guille> hello
[10:38] <guille> i am back
[10:38] <ScorpKing> bjwebb: i don't know what that is but it looks like you're gonna have fun. lol
[10:39] <uga> quixogre: once done, before kdm loads, you should see the nvidia splash screen
[10:39] <uga> a green thing, with nvidia logo
[10:39] <guille> how do i install 7.10 if i just intalled 7.04?
[10:39] <bjwebb> ScorpKing: :S
[10:39] <quixogre> brb (hopefully)
[10:39] <ScorpKing> quixogre: flashing and then going away
[10:39] <quixogre> just gonna reboot
[10:39] <uga> quixogre: if that works, you can safely remove the linux-restricted-modules, and next time you load the machine it'll be automatic
[10:39] <ScorpKing> lol
[10:39] <uga> quixogre: =)
[10:40] <uga> uhm.. he seriously said reboot?
[10:40] <uga> reboot != kdm start, if he still got lrm around
[10:40] <uga> as lrm will load first
[10:40] <uga> sigh...
[10:41] <uga> quixogre: when I say something I mean something, not something++ =)
[10:41] <uga> :P
[10:41] <waylandbill_> awesome. used restricted manager to install the broadcom driver and for now it works. might not need ndiswrapper.
[10:41] <MoNsTeR> can somebody help me with beryl i have beryl with xgl working on gnome but how do i make another session with it for kde
[10:41] <waylandbill_> MoNsTeR: perhaps #beryl will know more about it.
[10:42] <freqmod> is it possible to use kmail 1.9.7 on gutsy? (it currently uses 1.9.6 while feisty with most recent kde update uses 1.9.7)
[10:42] <freqmod> ?
[10:42] <MoNsTeR> i thought it was #ubuntu-effects
[10:42] <waylandbill_> MoNsTeR: they might know too
[10:43] <waylandbill_> MoNsTeR: it's really a question of loading the right session in the script that starts Xgl, but I haven't tried in a while.
[10:43] <uga> hi sredna
[10:44] <sredna> hello uga :)
[10:44] <uga> quixogre: didn't work, right? =)
[10:44] <uga> quixogre: rebooting loads lrm modules, unless you remove them, first =)
[10:44] <quixogre> didnt work :(
[10:44] <ross--> HEY Guys, im using a LIVECD now, how do i MOUNT my harddrive so i can see my windows partition? i want to burn some files from it
[10:44] <uga> quixogre: when I said restart kdm, I meant restart kdm, not reboot =)
[10:45] <quixogre> i didnt reboot at first....and i DID get the NVIDIA splash screen
[10:45] <ross--> HEY Guys, im using a LIVECD now, how do i MOUNT my harddrive so i can see my windows partition? i want to burn some files from it
[10:45] <MoNsTeR> waylandbill_, i got it to work with gnome i wanna make another session that will use kde so i have beryl on both do you see what i meen
[10:45] <uga> quixogre: ok. So the driver is working
[10:45] <ross--> HEY Guys, im using a LIVECD now, how do i MOUNT my harddrive so i can see my windows partition? i want to burn some files from it
[10:45] <uga> quixogre: then if you had done sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start, it should have worked?
[10:45] <quixogre> right. hehe coulda told ya that ;) like i siad, bveen wrestling this for DAYS now
[10:45] <KDEusr> can someone help me ignore a broken package through synaptic?
[10:46] <ross--> HEY Guys, im using a LIVECD now, how do i MOUNT my harddrive so i can see my windows partition? i want to burn some files from it
[10:46] <ScorpKing> sredna: spend some time reading online news. and yes, 3.5.7 will be in 7.10.
[10:46] <KDEusr> ross, do you have 2 cdroms?
[10:46] <ross--> HEY Guys, im using a LIVECD now, how do i MOUNT my harddrive so i can see my windows partition? i want to burn some files from it
[10:46] <uga> quixogre: now, if you want it to work from bootup, you should remove nvidia drivers provided by linux-restricted-modules, or if you can, completely remove those packs
[10:46] <ross--> yes
[10:46] <uga> quixogre: that will avoid that they'll be installed in future
[10:46] <quixogre> uga, how?
[10:46] <waylandbill_> MoNsTeR: and my point is that a script that starts xgl defines the session. A copy needs to be made that loads kde. People knowing more about beryl and xgl would be able to tell you easily.
[10:46] <KDEusr> hmm. im not quite sure how to mount a hdd
[10:46] <sredna> ScorpKing: uh, sorry :)
[10:46] <ScorpKing> !ntfs ross--
[10:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ntfs ross-- - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:46] <KDEusr> my distro does it for me
[10:46] <uga> quixogre: open adept, and look for linux-restricted-modules. Remove installed ones
[10:46] <sredna> but cool :-)
[10:46] <ScorpKing> :)
[10:47] <MoNsTeR> how do i even open a session that i can edit?
[10:47] <ross--> HEY Guys, im using a LIVECD now, how do i MOUNT my harddrive so i can see my windows partition? i want to burn some files from it
[10:47] <MoNsTeR> waylandbill_,  how do i even open a session that i can edit?
[10:47] <uga> quixogre: then do same with nvidia-glx. AND to make sure they don't remove something important, reinstall Nvidia's installer
[10:47] <ScorpKing> sredna: i think it's on the kubuntu website. not sure
[10:47] <ross--> is there a way to burn an ISO from a livecd?
[10:47] <jeri> how do i install libxine-extracodecs?
[10:47] <waylandbill_> MoNsTeR: there is a file on the hard drive that is essentially a textual file that contains the shell commands that load the session.
[10:47] <ScorpKing> ross--: k3b
[10:47] <MoNsTeR> waylandbill_, i know that but do you know the command
[10:48] <ross--> ok whee do i save the file though when i download it?
[10:48] <uga> sredna: I upgraded box recently. I think this machine builds in a quarter of the time I used to, or much less =)
[10:48] <uga> in minutes
[10:48] <jeri> how do i install libxine-extracodecs?
[10:48] <waylandbill_> MoNsTeR: I don't recall the exact location and it's probably different for gdm and kdm.
[10:48] <uga> sredna: quad core at 2.44 and 4gig ram... fresh =)
[10:48] <quixogre> uga: ummm noobish queestion: how to open adept?
[10:49] <ScorpKing> jeri: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[10:49] <waylandbill_> quixogre: Alt-F2, kdesu adept
[10:49] <uga> quixogre: kmenu->system->manage packages (adept manager)
[10:49] <uga> waylandbill_: it's adept_manager ;)
[10:49] <jeri> ive already tried that in the terminal and it says no installation candidate
[10:49] <quixogre> crap. gotta reboot...in gnome atm,
[10:50] <waylandbill_> uga: yeah. it's adept_manager since feisty.
[10:50] <uga> jeri: where did you read about that pack? they should tell you the repository
[10:50] <waylandbill_> uga: forgetful me. :)
[10:50] <sredna> Mem:        511840
[10:50] <sredna> :-(
[10:50] <sredna> the single bottleneck on this system
[10:51] <ScorpKing> sredna: i run kubuntu on 320 ram and 1gb swap. works fine
[10:51] <ross--> in konversation how can i change the location of the file im trying to download from irc?
[10:51] <jeri> this is what it says
[10:51] <jeri> Package libxine-extracodecs is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[10:51] <jeri> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[10:51] <jeri> is only available from another source
[10:51] <jeri> E: Package libxine-extracodecs has no installation candidate
[10:51] <uga> ScorpKing: iirc sredna does something more than "run" software, though
[10:51] <ross--> in konversation how can i change the location of the file im trying to download from irc?
[10:52] <ross--> in konversation how can i change the location of the file im trying to download from irc... im trying to get the files from the send to my USB drive
[10:52] <uga> ScorpKing: he's a coder
[10:52] <ScorpKing> lol
[10:52] <ross--> in konversation how can i change the location of the file im trying to download from irc... im trying to get the files from the send to my USB drive
[10:52] <uga> ScorpKing: you guys should support coders with new hw ;)
[10:52] <uga> it's unfair that coders got worse hw than users
[10:52] <ross--> in konversation how can i change the location of the file im trying to download from irc... im trying to get the files from the send to my USB drive
[10:52] <uga> quixogre: what this time? =)=
[10:53] <sredna> i run A LOT of it, i have two kate sessions, 4 konqueror windows each with several tabs, kontact, konsole, some more... + i run gcc quite a lot, as any developer, when i am active :-)
[10:53] <ross--> in konversation how can i change the location of the file im trying to download from irc... im trying to get the files from the send to my USB drive
[10:53] <ScorpKing> !patience | ross--
[10:53] <ubotu> ross--: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[10:53] <quixogre> adept not found...
[10:53] <uga> sredna: that "adopt a developer" project (or something like that) isn't running anymore?
[10:53] <uga> the one to get hw updated
[10:54] <ross--> in konversation how can i change the location of the file im trying to download from irc... im trying to get the files from the send to my USB drive
[10:54] <hydrogen> !polite | ross--
[10:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about polite - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:54] <ScorpKing> uga: i'm a kinda new linux user so my help isn't always the best. :P
[10:54] <hydrogen> I was afraid of that ubotu :
[10:54] <uga> quixogre? it's a basic package in kubuntu... try sudo apt-get install adept-manager
[10:55] <hydrogen> adept isn't a command
[10:55] <hydrogen> its adept_manager
[10:55] <uga> ScorpKing: they don't need "help", they need "monies" :P
[10:55] <hydrogen> so if you just typed in adept you won't have any luck
[10:55] <uga> hydrogen: I told him the kmenu way
[10:55] <ScorpKing> uga: ah, i agree.
[10:56] <quixogre> kk. got it up and running....what am i looking for again?
[10:56] <waylandbill_> hydrogen: right. it is now. It used to be a valid command though a few versions back. :)
[10:56] <ScorpKing> quixogre: help
[10:56] <uga> quixogre: linux-restricted-modules
[10:56] <uga> quixogre: and nvidia-glx
[10:56] <sredna> uga: dunno.. but i think i can afford a bit of RAM, i just need to open the box and see what i should buy, and find it.
[10:56] <ross--> in konversation how can i change the location of the file im trying to download from irc... im trying to get the files from the send to my USB drive
[10:56] <uga> sredna: as far as you got enough slots to upgrade, nice!
[10:56] <guille> hi i am having trouble uppgrading
[10:56] <ScorpKing> sredna: that should be DDR400
[10:57] <uga> quixogre: anything related to nvidia or lrm, just get rid of it, and then reinstall the nvidia driver from cmnd line
[10:58] <ardchoille> ross--: Settings > Cofigure > Behavior > DCC
[10:58] <quixogre> uga, done and done. going to cmd line to reinstall now
[10:58] <ross--> ok, then what is the location of my USB drive?
[10:58] <uga> quixogre: btw, you aren't using anything like wifi drivers from linux-restricted-modules, right?
[10:58] <ross--> ardchoille:
[10:58] <quixogre> uga nope.
[10:58] <uga> quixogre: then you're safe =)
[10:58] <ardchoille> ross--: What is the path it is mounted to?
[10:58] <ardchoille> ross--: Open a terminal and type: mount
[10:59] <ScorpKing> quixogre: vmplayer might give problems with that as well.
[10:59] <quixogre> brb
[10:59] <ross--> ardchoille: i type mount, theres a lot of things, what should i look for
[10:59] <uga> ScorpKing: then vbox is the way? :P
[11:00] <VWJ1bnR1> What happened to GDM/
[11:00] <VWJ1bnR1> ?
[11:00] <ScorpKing> uga: yes, i love it. and dosbox. :D
[11:00] <ardchoille> ross--: Can you pastebin the output of mount?
[11:00] <ross--> procbususb on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw)
[11:00] <ardchoille> !paste | ross--
[11:00] <ubotu> ross--: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:00] <ScorpKing> jeri: libxine-extracodecs is in multiverse
[11:00] <ross--> is it this one?
[11:00] <uga> VWJ1bnR1: maybe #ubuntu guys know. kubuntu doesn't use gdm
[11:00] <uga> it uses kdm
[11:00] <ardchoille> ross--: No, that isn't it
[11:01] <VWJ1bnR1> uga: Yes, but I installed KDE, and I can't access the GUI login or the Login Window.
[11:01] <ross--> ardchoille: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39400/
[11:01] <jeri> then wat do i do? really nid help
[11:01] <uga> VWJ1bnR1: unless you have a broken kdm service, I can't understand. Try /etc/init.d/kdm stop and then /etc/init.d/gdm start possibly starts up gdm?
[11:01] <ardchoille> ross--: You're on the live cd, right?
[11:02] <uga> not sure about the service name that gdm uses, but possibly that's the one
[11:02] <MetaMorfoziS> VWJ1bnR1 > try from console: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm (or gdm) they asks for default login manager
[11:02] <MetaMorfoziS> then select that what you want.
[11:02] <ross--> ardchoille: yes
[11:02] <MetaMorfoziS> then /etc/init.d/adm stop /etc/init.d/bdm start :)
[11:03] <ScorpKing> jeri: enable the multiverse repo in /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:04] <ScorpKing> does anyone how to get aptoncd to run without installing the gnome stuff?
[11:04] <ardchoille> ross--: The "procbususb" isn't it because I'm on a Feisty installed system with no usb keys and I have that same entry. I don't see your usb drive listed. It should be something like "/dev/sda1" or some such.
[11:04] <jeri> in the terminal?wat command?
[11:05] <ScorpKing> jeri: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[11:05] <ross--> ardchoille: is there a way to MOUNT my harddrive in livecd because i need some stuff from the harddrive to BURN it
[11:05] <guille> How lond does it take to upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10?
[11:05] <uga> guille: a whole release time ;)
[11:06] <ross--> ardchoille: is there a way to MOUNT my harddrive in livecd because i need some stuff from the harddrive to BURN it
[11:06] <ardchoille> ross--: Ues, you need to find the hard drive device and mount it.
[11:06] <ross--> how
[11:06] <ardchoille> ross--: Do you have a IDE or SCSI hard drive?
[11:06] <ross--> IDE
[11:06] <jeri> then wats nexxt? after kdesu
[11:06] <ardchoille> ross--: IS it master or slave?
[11:06] <guille> uga i mean in my time
[11:06] <ScorpKing> uga: maybe quixogre doesn't know of irssi or bitchx
[11:06] <uga> guille: I mean it's not out yet, afaik
[11:06] <guille> i have 7.04 and i am trying to uppgrade
[11:07] <guille> it not?
[11:07] <guille> why does the homepage say it is
[11:07] <uga> was there an official gutsy release?
[11:07] <uga> Kubuntu 7.10 Beta Available
[11:07] <uga> I read "BETA"
[11:07] <ross--> ardchoille: so? how to mount my ide drive to burn stuff from
[11:07] <ScorpKing> jeri: uncomment the multiverse line. remove the # before it.
[11:07] <uga> guille: =)
[11:07] <jeri> ah ok
[11:08] <ardchoille> ross--: Try this: sudo mkdir /mnt/hda1 && sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1   <-- if that succeeds then your hard drive should be at /mnt/hda1
[11:08] <jeri> but there is no # in the multiverse line
[11:08] <uga> guille: if you want to take the risk and betatest, you can ask at #ubuntu+1
[11:09] <ScorpKing> jeri: right in the beginning of the line. before deb ....
[11:09] <uga> heh
[11:09] <jeri> then save?
[11:09] <ScorpKing> yes
[11:10] <ScorpKing> jeri: then run sudo apt-get update
[11:11] <jeri> wat does it mean main restricted?
[11:12] <ScorpKing> not free i think
[11:12] <ardchoille> jeri: Those are components of the repo
[11:12] <ubuntu_> does anyone know the freenode domain for irc?
[11:13] <ubuntu_> nick Rex
[11:13] <SlimeyPete> irc.freenode.org
[11:13] <ubuntu_> thaks
[11:13] <ubuntu_> do you know what port they use?
[11:13] <SlimeyPete> ubuntu_: 6667
[11:14] <Bleep> im back... and still offline in kubuntu :P
[11:14] <ScorpKing> jeri: then try to install it again.
[11:14] <ubuntu_> Thanks Slimey
[11:14] <ScorpKing> hiya Bleep!
[11:14] <Bleep> :P  hi
[11:14] <ScorpKing> sorry, no new ideas. :(
[11:14] <fdoving> Bleep: how do you connect to the internet? do you use knetworkmanager?
[11:14] <jeri> still no installation candidate
[11:14] <Bleep> well i cant
[11:15] <Bleep> im using xp now
[11:15] <ScorpKing> ew..
[11:15] <ScorpKing> lol
[11:15] <quixogre> okay....ALMOST got it
[11:15] <Bleep> im imprissoned...
[11:15] <ardchoille> jeri: What are you looking for?
[11:15] <uga> quixogre: [23:14]  * uga wonders if quixogre's box's dead
[11:15] <uga> =)
[11:15] <quixogre> if i run the insmod command, it lets me run xwindows
[11:15] <jeri> im trying to make my dapper work for mp3s
[11:15] <quixogre> but it still wont startx on a reboot
[11:16] <uga> strange
[11:16] <ScorpKing> jeri: is apt-get update finished?
[11:16] <uga> quixogre: it must be loading something else
[11:16] <Bleep> hmm i hacked my alcatel speedtouch home modem.... i have expert options now
[11:16] <fdoving> quixogre: add the module to /etc/modules
[11:16] <uga> quixogre: are you sure you removed anything related to linux-restricted-modules?
[11:16] <uga> fdoving: he shouldn't need to do that
[11:16] <jeri> yup its done
[11:16] <uga> xorg loads it automatically
[11:16] <quixogre> uga, yup. nothing running. will check though
[11:16] <ScorpKing> uga: i had the same problem before
[11:17] <ScorpKing> it doesn't load
[11:17] <uga> quixogre: try rmmod nvidia, and instead of "insmod", use "sudo modprobe nvidia". I'm sure something didn't get removed
[11:17] <jeri> no installlation candidate
[11:17] <uga> ScorpKing: I fixed my and others' machines so far
[11:17] <fdoving> uga: well, if it doesn't work without it, he needs to load it.
[11:17] <uga> fdoving: yes, the point is if it doesn't, I'd rather figure out why, than place a workaround
[11:17] <uga> I'm sure it's due to lrm
[11:17] <ScorpKing> jeri: that's odd. no idea what now
[11:18] <ardchoille> jeri: Can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list file please?
[11:18] <uga> quixogre: if it fails saying "can't install" or something, then you have lrm things left in /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video
[11:18] <uga> quixogre: comment out those lines with #
[11:18] <uga> it means it's trying to install nvidia each time
[11:18] <jeri> how ?
[11:18] <uga> instead of loading the one you installed
[11:18] <ScorpKing> uga: i just installed the drivers in runlevel one everytime i booted. :(
[11:19] <ardchoille> !paste | jeri
[11:19] <ubotu> jeri: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:19] <uga> ScorpKing: check the file I just mentioned. Does it list nvidia?
[11:19] <quixogre> uga, just a sec, checking logfiles
[11:19] <uga> ScorpKing: /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video
[11:19] <ScorpKing> uga: that box is gone now
[11:20] <uga> ScorpKing: oh okay. The file lists nvidia install instructions. If you comment them out modprobe and autoloading xorg works
[11:20] <uga> if you don't, it won't
[11:20] <uga> quixogre: just edit that file and put a # before all nvidia lines
[11:20] <ScorpKing> uga: i'll keep that in mind. thanks
[11:20] <uga> it's going to be making mdorpbe fail
[11:20] <uga> ScorpKing: it drove me nuts ;)
[11:20] <ScorpKing> me too
[11:21] <uga> ScorpKing: that file lists: install nvidia /sbin/lrm-video nvidia $CMDLINE_OPTS
[11:21] <uga> so modprobe tried to run lrm-video, when you try "modprobe nvidia"
[11:21] <uga> insmod works, but modprobe (and xorg) don't
[11:21] <ScorpKing> ah. i see
[11:22] <Bleep> who's using eth0 to connect to an adsl router?
[11:22] <uga> I thought removing lrm and other packs would comment out those lines, but maybe not, from what I see in quixogre's result
[11:22] <quixogre> okay. files locked. gotta log out of windows to modify it
[11:22] <uga> Bleep: 99.99% of people here
[11:22] <Daisuke_Ido> windows?
[11:22] <fdoving> uga: you probably need to purge linux-restructed-modules-common to remove the config file.
[11:22] <ScorpKing> Bleep: i've setup a few boxes that use eth0 for internet through a router.
[11:22] <Bleep> no kubuntu
[11:22] <Daisuke_Ido> not you, Bleep
[11:23] <Bleep> o oops
[11:23] <Daisuke_Ido> no worries :)
[11:23] <uga> fdoving: ah, thanks
[11:24] <ScorpKing> Bleep: can the router take more cables?
[11:24] <Bleep> uhm scorp i must tell you, my eth0 is directly connected to the modem. Theres no router
[11:24] <quixogre> okies. for some reason, it was loading nvidia drivers in adept. removed those. let me see if that fixes it
[11:24] <uga> quixogre: a sec
[11:24] <uga> dont' rush
[11:25] <Bleep> its a single computer config so theres no router
[11:25] <uga> quixogre: check the file I just mentioned, it's important =)
[11:25] <ScorpKing> Bleep: that will explain it. is there a picture or info online for your modem?
[11:25] <uga> quixogre: /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video
[11:25] <uga> and comment out all lines with a "#"
[11:25] <quixogre> # Make nvidia/nvidia_legacy and fglrx use /sbin/lrm-video to load
[11:25] <quixogre> install fglrx /sbin/lrm-video fglrx $CMDLINE_OPTS
[11:25] <quixogre> install nvidia /sbin/lrm-video nvidia $CMDLINE_OPTS
[11:25] <quixogre> install nvidia_legacy /sbin/lrm-video nvidia_legacy $CMDLINE_OPTS
[11:25] <quixogre> install nvidia_new /sbin/lrm-video nvidia_new $CMDLINE_OPTS
[11:26] <uga> ouch! don't paste like htat =)
[11:26] <quixogre> uga thats it
[11:26] <ScorpKing> uhm...
[11:26] <Bleep> scorp: ill digg in
[11:26] <uga> quixogre: coment them out, yes =)
[11:26] <quixogre> sorry for spam :(
[11:26] <uga> quixogre: with a # on each line
[11:26] <uga> at the beginning
[11:26] <quixogre> uga, gotta boot to cmd line to do so...
[11:26] <uga> no
[11:26] <ScorpKing> Bleep: thanks. maybe i can think of somthing if i understand how it works.
[11:26] <uga> quixogre: no need to do so from cmd line
[11:26] <uga> quixogre: kdesu kate
[11:26] <uga> and open the file and edit
[11:26] <quixogre> file is marked readonly atm for some reason
[11:27] <uga> quixogre: because only root can edit it
[11:27] <uga> kdesu kate =)
[11:28] <emilsedgh> this kdesu thing is abusing, there should be a way to improve this...
[11:28] <Bleep> scorp: although this is  a guide for hacking the modem, just look at the screenshots  to get a glimps of the options in the settingspage of my modem
[11:28] <Bleep> http://www.petri.co.il/upgrade_from_alcatel_speedtouch_home_to_pro.htm
[11:28] <ardchoille> emilsedgh: abusing?
[11:29] <fdoving> emilsedgh: kdesu is replaced with kdesudo in gutsy, it seems much better to me.
[11:29] <quixogre> uga: done
[11:29] <emilsedgh> i mean it is making difficulties
[11:29] <uga> quixogre: now stop kdm, sudo rmmod nvidia, and try sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start. it should load just fine
[11:29] <uga> xorg should reload the nvidia driver on its own when starting
[11:30] <quixogre> kk. brb. hopefully this works....
[11:30] <uga> through modprobe that we just now fixed
[11:30] <emilsedgh> i think the ideal way should be 'if there is not enough access, ask for password', but i think this cannot be done easily because of design
[11:30] <uga> quixogre: it will
[11:30] <ardchoille> fdoving: Is kdesudo the one with the small window asking which app to run as which user?
[11:30] <fdoving> ardchoille: no, it's a drop-in replacement for kdesu
[11:31] <ardchoille> ok
[11:31] <fdoving> https://edge.launchpad.net/kdesudo
[11:31] <uga> emilsedgh: that'd need to be done through kde mods. Not sure if anything like that is being discussed for kde4
[11:31] <fdoving> that is http://launchpad.net/kdesudo
[11:31] <uga> emilsedgh: through filemanager modifications
[11:32] <ardchoille> fdoving: Yeah, I think that's the one that runs a small gui if you run kdesudo by itself. This is the way gksudo used to work in gnome
[11:32] <fdoving> ardchoille: kdesudo doesn't do that, it just says you didn't give any arguments and you'll be able to click 'ok'
[11:33] <ardchoille> fdoving: Oh, ok. I wonder why they switched.
[11:34] <uga> quixogre: ?
[11:34] <fdoving> ardchoille: kdesudo is more reliable, kdesu have it's own set of problems.
[11:34] <ardchoille> Ok, I think I see. Normally we used sudo for cli apps and kdesu for gui apps. It looks like kdesudo will be for both types of apps
[11:34] <uga> uh-oh...
[11:35] <uga> ardchoille: afaik kdesu uses kdesudo?
[11:35] <uga> ie, kdesu uses sudo internally, it's modded
[11:35] <ardchoille> uga: kdesudo is not present on my machine
[11:35] <uga> oh ok
[11:35] <fdoving> uga: kdesudo uses sudo, kdesu uses some library.
[11:35] <uga> ah
[11:35] <emilsedgh> i still need to killall kdesud...
[11:35] <uga> fdoving: anyway, I mean both do sudoing
[11:36] <ardchoille> fdoving: So there are no more problems with using sudo for gui apps in Gutsy?
[11:36] <lovre> hello all, can i as a total linux noob get some help here please?
[11:36] <uga> with its timeouts etc
[11:36] <uga> in kubuntu
[11:36] <uga> (unlike standard kde)
[11:36] <ardchoille> !ask | lovre
[11:36] <ubotu> lovre: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:36] <quixogre> uga: im dancing at your next wedding mate. thanks
[11:36] <fdoving> ardchoille: i have not experienced any since upgrading to gutsy, that's 2-3months or something like that. don't remember exactly.
[11:36] <uga> quixogre: np =)
[11:37] <ardchoille> fdoving: ok. This kdesudo is a good thing then :)
[11:37] <uga> quixogre: remember that, having installed nvidia drivers manually, on the next kernel upgrade, you'll have to reinstall the driver
[11:37] <uga> ie, run the nvidia installer
[11:37] <fdoving> ardchoille: yeah, let's hope so :)
[11:37] <quixogre> uga, now that my config files are properly set up, should be a walk in the park ;)
[11:37] <uga> quixogre: that will build the driver for the new kernel. Reboot and will be fine
[11:37] <uga> yup
[11:37] <lovre> how do i install a simplest program in kubuntu? i dont get it, there is no install executive or anything? i really want to use linux instead of windows, but i cant even install a simple program. SO if someone would please help me that would be great.  Please... and PM would be great. Thanx
[11:38] <quixogre> lovre: sudo apt-get will install most programs for you. it'll even go out, download them too
[11:38] <fdoving> !software | lovre
[11:38] <ubotu> lovre: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[11:38] <ardchoille> fdoving: The only problem with it is when people come in here for help after Gutsy is released won't be able to run kdesudo when advised to do so.
[11:39] <ardchoille> if they're still on Feisty, Edgy or Dapper
[11:39] <lovre> thank you all ,ill read trought that and see if i lear anything. I dont want to give up on linux :S
[11:40] <fdoving> ardchoille: tell them all to use kdesu, kdesudo is to some degree commandline compatible with kdesu, and the kdesudo package symlinks /usr/bin/kdesu to /usr/bin/kdesudo
[11:40] <ardchoille> lovre: :)
[11:40] <ardchoille> fdoving: It symlinks? Awesome.
[11:40] <ardchoille> No problem then
[11:40] <fdoving> lovre: be sure to get back here with any questions if the documentation is confusing or unclear. good luck :)
[11:40] <ScorpKing> lovre: it's a bit confusing in the beginning but hang in there, it will get easy. :D
[11:41] <quixogre> okay, how does kdesudo differ from kdesudo?
[11:41] <quixogre> okay, how does kdesudo differ from kdesu?
[11:41] <fdoving> quixogre: kdesudo tries to have less problems.
[11:41] <ubuntu_> i got a not broken copy ^_^
[11:41] <ubuntu_> at last!
[11:41] <ardchoille> quixogre: KdeSudo is a frontend for sudo. Unlike kdesu, it uses directly sudo as backend.
[11:41] <ScorpKing> i think that was a bug fix or two
[11:42] <jenni> Thank you for whoever helped me in the week hours last day
[11:42] <uga> lovre: well, the idea is petty simple. In windows, you search for the setup files online, download them and install them. in kubuntu, you just don't need to search and download yourself. Just go into kmenu->system->manage packages-> and select al the packages you want to install
[11:42] <jenni> turned out the 3 copies i downloaded had something wrong with them, i did the bittorent and it works wonderfuly, im partitioning my old windows section to have duel boot :D
[11:42] <uga> it's all (or almost all there)
[11:43] <ScorpKing> jenni: welcome to linux. :D
[11:43] <uga> lovre: it's like when you uninstall packages in windows, but same for installing too
[11:44] <quixogre> pity windows doesnt have a package manager. would make installing everquest SO much easier
[11:44] <uga> fdoving: I find that page is too deep for an introduction
[11:44] <ScorpKing> hihi poison--! :)
[11:44] <uga> fdoving: people won't be downloading .deb or .sh files for some time
[11:44] <angasule> what exactly is the update policy for programs in feisty? for example, ktorrent has a bug that causes a crash and has been fixed upstream, any chance we'll benefit from it or we have to wait till gutsy?
[11:45] <quixogre> angasule: its only two weeks...less if your willing to risk the beta software
[11:45] <ardchoille> angasule: Don't know. kxdocker in the repos has been broken for a while, so some packages may not ever get bugfixes.
[11:45] <uga> angasule: I guess that depends on the package maintainer of the specific package
[11:45] <angasule> quixogre: I'm more interested in knowing the policy than the actual fix
[11:46] <fdoving> uga: experience tells me some already have the program they want, either .exe .tar.gz or .rpm/.deb, when they don't figure out how to install it they come here. Explaining everything to make a simplified big picture can be a good thing too, imo.
[11:46] <ScorpKing> fdoving: i
[11:46] <ScorpKing> ugh
[11:46] <Daisuke_Ido> got my first experience manually troubleshooting an apt issue earlier
[11:46] <Daisuke_Ido> and lived to tell the tale!
[11:46] <ScorpKing> i have to agree on that. :)
[11:47] <uga> fdoving: it's a shame rightclick->actions->install got removed
[11:47] <lovre> thank you everyone for your answers :D
[11:47] <lovre> i feel better now
[11:47] <fdoving> uga: it did? - gdebi-kde is here for gutsy.
[11:47] <quixogre> anyone know what flavor of linux google.com runs on?
[11:47] <uga> fdoving: oh, maybe it's not installed by default?
[11:47] <Daisuke_Ido> probably one of their own brewing
[11:47] <ScorpKing> lovre: you'er welcome. do come back next time.
[11:48] <uga> oh, it's installed here...
[11:48] <uga> fdoving: ah, I see... "open with"
[11:48] <uga> not actions->install
[11:48] <uga> so clicking straight works
[11:48] <uga> heh, silly me =)
[11:48] <ScorpKing> is there a screenshot pastbin somewhere?
[11:49] <uga> ScorpKing: imageshack.us?
[11:49] <angasule> ScorpKing: imageshack, maybe?
[11:49] <ScorpKing> checking...
[11:49] <rass1> eccomeeeeeee!
[11:49] <rass1> c'3 nessuno?
[11:50] <uga> bonna sera, rassi, parlare no italiano aqui =)
[11:50] <uga> !it | rass1
[11:50] <ubotu> rass1: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[11:50] <Bleep> back again
[11:51] <quixogre> heyas bleep :)
[11:51] <Bleep> in XP that is :P
[11:51] <ScorpKing> hmmm...
[11:51] <quixogre> still working on getting the linux box hooked to the adsl modem?
[11:51] <Bleep> yup
[11:51] <lovre> erm, i have installed something, but now i cant find it?...? (stupid)
[11:51] <ScorpKing> lol
[11:51] <quixogre> lovre, what did you install?
[11:51] <uga> lovre: is it some graphical application?
[11:52] <ScorpKing> lovre: can you remember the name?
[11:52] <uga> if so, it should be in the kde menu
[11:52] <lovre> DOSBOX, and dos emulator i need to start another program
[11:52] <ScorpKing> it's under utilities in the kmenu
[11:53] <lovre> ScorpKing: the name is "dosbox"
[11:53] <quixogre> okies all. time to go pick up the missus...
[11:53] <ScorpKing> lovre: it's under utilities in the kmenu
[11:53] <quixogre> uga, thanks again for the help mate. would still be working on it without your help
[11:53] <uga> quixogre: just send me the phone no. of your sister, and I'll be happy ;)
[11:53] <uga> (kidding)
[11:53] <ardchoille> haha
[11:54] <ScorpKing> lol @ uga
[11:54] <quixogre> uga, my sister is 5 foot 4, and fat....i'll save you a lot of tears, and just kick you in the balls instead ;)
[11:54] <lovre> ScorpKing: it is not there, at least i dont see it :(
[11:54] <lovre> sorry to bother you with noob questions
[11:54] <uga> quixogre: hey, we can share fat =)
[11:54] <lovre> but this is quite important..
[11:54] <Bleep> which package of pptp-linux can i install on kubuntu?
[11:55] <ScorpKing> lovre: i have it installed on my box. try to press <alt>+<f2> and type in dosbox
[11:55] <lovre> yea, it shows up :D
[11:55] <ScorpKing> :D very handy app.
[11:55] <uga> uhm.. dosbox.. people still use that? =)
[11:56] <uga> how does it compare to dosemu
[11:56] <lovre> i need it to run PALASM
[11:56] <ScorpKing> uga: i still do pascal programming in it. it's gonna take a while to port all my libs to freepascal.
[11:56] <lovre> and then we come to another question. I have a RAR archive wich i cant extract, cuz it seems there is no program that can open RAR archives. What do i install to fix that?
[11:57] <ScorpKing> lovre: go to konsole
[11:57] <uga> lovre: and things like virtualbox (running windows or even dos), or even... wine, don't help?
[11:57] <baley> ciao
[11:57] <ScorpKing> lovre: and type sudo aptitude install unrar
[11:57] <uga> baley: ciao baley
[11:57] <baley> ciao
[11:57] <lovre> uga: im a newbie to linux and to all theese programs, so i wouldnt know
[11:58] <uga> lovre: wine is an emulator that can run quite a few windows programs
[11:58] <uga> wine foo.exe runs the executable
[11:58] <uga> lovre: and virtual box is a nice program to run windows under linux. You install windows on a virtual machine and run it
[11:58] <uga> similar to vmware, if you know it
[12:00] <uga> ScorpKing: vista? no plllleeeeaze! it's b0rked! =)
[12:00] <lovre> is wine installed in kubuntu by default
[12:00] <lovre> ?
[12:00] <emilsedgh> lovre: no
[12:00] <uga> lovre: I don't think so, but you can install it using adept manager
[12:00] <ScorpKing> uga: lmgo! but it works like linux. soz, i was bored. :D
[12:00] <uga> !wine
[12:00] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[12:01] <ScorpKing> lovre: the settings for wine is in kcontrol. if you don't have wine it will be installed for you.
[12:02] <quixogre> help. i've got some sort of network connection status window poped up in the middle of my screen, and it wont go away
[12:02] <tetet> is metacity recommented for using in KDE?
[12:02] <tetet> what is the stadard?
[12:02] <uga> tetet: no, kwin is the standard
[12:02] <ScorpKing> quixogre: refresh desktop?
[12:02] <tetet> ok
[12:02] <ScorpKing> quixogre: or find the process and kill it.
[12:02] <tetet> kwin -- replace
[12:02] <tetet> i hope he got it
[12:02] <lovre> so wine can substitute this DOSBox?
[12:02] <tetet> and he get it >:|
[12:03] <tetet> thanks
[12:03] <uga> lovre: have you used adept manager before?
[12:03] <lovre> no
[12:03] <lovre> i just used apt-get  :D
[12:03] <uga> lovre: go to the k menu (equivalente of the windows menu)->system->manage packages (adept manager)
[12:03] <uga> it's easier than apt-get ;)
[12:03] <uga> lovre: you can search and install all packages from there
[12:04] <lovre> ok, thank you
[12:04] <uga> lovre: search for wine. If it doesn't appear, then some repositories must be added
[12:04] <uga> it'll show with "status: not installed"
[12:04] <ScorpKing> lovre: run kcontrol and go to System Administration at the bottum. select Windows Applications.
[12:05] <baley> mm
[12:05] <uga> ScorpKing: he hasn't yet installed wine, right? =)
[12:05] <ScorpKing> yes
[12:05] <uga> oh, I missed some logs then =)
[12:05] <ScorpKing> uga: kcontrol will install it i think.
[12:05] <uga> what?
[12:05] <zapzup> hello, just a quick question. how can i get kde to change the style of scrollbar buttons without changing my qt theme.  the only time ive seen an option for it is when you remove kubuntu-default-settings and a wizard asks you what kind you want. thanks :)
[12:05] <uga> ScorpKing: ah, it asks i fyou want to install it, right
[12:05] <ScorpKing> true
[12:05] <uga> ScorpKing: isn't it best to install it straight, when you know you want to install it? =)
[12:06] <lovre> i installed
[12:06] <lovre> what now
[12:06] <ScorpKing> uga: for us yes.
[12:06] <uga> ScorpKing: just teach the right ways to install (any) packs, not just wine
[12:06] <ScorpKing> ok. i agree
[12:07] <uga> lovre: if you have any windows executable, you can run in command line "wine setup.exe" or so, and it'll run it
[12:07] <lovre> what now in kcontrol?
[12:07] <lovre> i see
[12:07] <ScorpKing> lovre: you can set the settings for wine ther
[12:07] <ScorpKing> e
[12:07] <uga> ScorpKing: do you know if there's a gui-side interface in konqueror for it?
[12:07] <ScorpKing> nope
[12:07] <uga> ScorpKing: I'm on 64bits so no wine pack (yet)
[12:07] <uga> to test
[12:08] <ScorpKing> i know of winecfg
[12:08] <ScorpKing> or something like that
[12:08] <lovre> i get this message:
[12:08] <lovre> Warning: unprotecting memory to allow real-mode calls.
[12:08] <lovre>          NULL pointer accesses will no longer be caught.
[12:08] <lovre> Incorrect DOS version
[12:08] <uga> wtf
[12:08] <uga> (sorry)
[12:08] <ScorpKing> !paste
[12:08] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[12:09] <uga> ScorpKing: somebody added 64bit wine to the repos????
[12:09] <ScorpKing> hmmm... no idea
[12:09] <uga> I just tried apt-get install wine for the sake of playing... and it's downloading
[12:09] <uga> what on earth
[12:09] <ScorpKing> haha
[12:09] <uga> Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/universe wine 0.9.45-0ubuntu1 [32.9MB] 
[12:10] <uga> uga@dpcuga:~$ uname -a
[12:10] <uga> Linux dpcuga 2.6.22-12-generic #1 SMP Sun Sep 23 20:03:18 GMT 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[12:10] <ScorpKing> wow. ok
[12:10] <uga> so not kidding, either the pack is broken, ro somebody saved me the time ;)
[12:10] <Bleep> heya
[12:10] <Bleep> can someone guide me though installing a tar.gz in kubuntu terminal?
[12:10] <ScorpKing> hi
[12:11] <ScorpKing> yep
[12:11] <Bleep> i have extracted the files in a folder
[12:11] <jussi01> !compile | Bleep
[12:11] <ubotu> Bleep: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[12:11] <ScorpKing> Bleep: co to the folder and run ./configure
[12:11] <jussi01> Bleep: what are you building?
[12:11] <uga> that may not be source even
[12:12] <lovre> why do i get the "INCORECT DOS VERSION" message when i try to run a .bat file?
[12:12] <Bleep> pptp-linux-1.7.0.orig
[12:12] <jussi01> lol
[12:12] <ScorpKing> wine don't run bat files
[12:12] <uga> oh, no idea. I've never tried .bats under wine.
[12:12] <uga> ScorpKing: ouch
[12:12] <jussi01> Bleep: what is that?
[12:12] <Bleep> pptp client  for linux
[12:12] <ScorpKing> lovre: dosbox does
[12:12] <jussi01> !pptp
[12:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pptp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:12] <jussi01> !find pptp
[12:13] <ubotu> Found: pptp-linux, network-manager-pptp, pptpd
[12:13] <jussi01> Bleep: sudo apt-get install pptp-linux
[12:13] <Bleep> lol i have no internetconnection
[12:13] <jussi01> bleep grab the deb, 1 sec ill lik you
[12:13] <jussi01> link
[12:14] <uga> Bleep: just download the .deb file, not the tar.gz and install it with dpkg -i file.deb
[12:14] <ScorpKing> nite guys!
[12:14] <jussi01> Bleep: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pptp-linux/pptp-linux_1.7.0-1ubuntu1_i386.deb
[12:14] <uga> ScorpKing: the internet is out of fashion anyway. Welcome lans! =)
[12:15] <Bleep> ah thnx for the link!
[12:15] <uga> too late
[12:15] <jussi01> Bleep: I assume you are using i386
[12:15] <Bleep> yup
[12:15] <Bleep> intel based laptop
[12:15] <lovre> more questions here. Where can i find Matlab and Wolfram Mathematica (linux versions)?
[12:16] <jussi01> !find matlab
[12:17] <ubotu> File matlab found in texify, texmacs
[12:17] <jussi01> lovre: what do they do?
[12:17] <jussi01> !info texify
[12:17] <ubotu> texify: Beautify source code for use with LaTeX. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.18 (feisty), package size 11 kB, installed size 68 kB
[12:17] <uga> !wine
[12:17] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[12:18] <lovre> http://www.mathworks.com/
[12:18] <lovre> http://www.wolfram.com/
[12:18] <uga> lovre: there's a matlab versoin for linux
[12:18] <uga> lovre: don't know about mathematica, but there's maple
[12:19] <uga> lovre: and you have free alternatives like scilab and octave
[12:19] <jussi01> Bleep: still there? there is a slightly newer version: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/p/pptp-linux/pptp-linux_1.7.0-2ubuntu2_i386.deb
[12:19] <jussi01> but that might be for gutsy
[12:20] <uga> lovre: oh, there's mathematica for linux too
[12:20] <lovre> where can i get it?
[12:20] <ardchoille> jussi01: That's for feisty too
[12:20] <uga> lovre: well, matlab, mathematica, and maple, in their official sites, for the same price as the windows version =)
[12:20] <jussi01> ardchoille: I didnt look :)
[12:21] <ardchoille> jussi01:  apt-cache policy pptp-linux
[12:21] <ardchoille> I'm on Feisty
[12:21] <uga> lovre: you have scilab here, which uses a similar, but not same syntax as matlab http://www.scilab.org/
[12:21] <lovre> nah, there is a student version that i used on windows, and its free for students, non comercial purposes
[12:21] <atlfalcons866> how do i clear my recent open files in kaffiene
[12:21] <jussi01> ardchoille: Ahh, Im on gutsy
[12:21] <lovre> i cant use alternative, since it is for college, i must use matlab
[12:21] <uga> lovre: there was a university edition afaik, but wasn't free, we needed a license and it was restricted
[12:21] <atlfalcons866> how do i clear my recent open files in kaffiene
[12:22] <uga> lovre: octave uses same syntax as matlab, but it's not exactly matlab
[12:22] <uga> lovre: you can get matlab for linux in the same way you get matlab for windows
[12:23] <uga> wherever you got it
[12:23] <uga> matlab.com sells it
[12:23] <lovre> uga: from a friend :s
[12:23] <uga> sorry, mathworks.com, I mean
[12:23] <lovre> and i doubt hes got a linux version :S
[12:23] <uga> lovre: those *mule and *donkey friends got linux versions too =)
[12:23] <lovre> LOL
[12:24] <lovre> nah, i dont use *mule or whateverthename
[12:24] <uga> lovre: if they don't, it's because they don't want to. The matlab licensing method is sooo easy to break
[12:24] <uga> oups... I didn't say that. I meant, it's sooo easy to buy!
[12:24] <uga> me silly =)
[12:24] <lovre> HAHAHA
[12:24] <lovre> nice one
[12:25] <uga> lovre: anyway, your university should look at alternatives like scilab
[12:25] <uga> really
[12:25] <lovre> i feel bad atm. Felling so helpless on linux, im afraid :/
[12:25] <uga> they waste loads of money on that software
[12:25] <uga> lovre: else try running matlab's installer under wine
[12:25] <uga> I never tried that though
[12:25] <uga> I have my copy of matlab for linux...
[12:26] <drif> could someone recommend good recovery tool for reiserfs?
[12:26] <lovre> what you mean "your" copy? did you buy it?
[12:26] <lovre> ^uga
[12:26] <uga> lovre: gotten from mathworks =)
[12:26] <lovre> bought?
[12:26] <lovre> or was i not supposed to ask that?
[12:26] <lovre> :)
[12:26] <uga> lovre: hey, even if I had not bought it, I wouldn't be able to admit it, so nto worth asking ;)
[12:26] <lovre> buy/break, what is the difference...
[12:27] <lovre> the first letter is the same
[12:27] <uga> yeah, but legal/illegal differ only by few chars too
[12:27] <uga> and $$$$$$$/free are completely different ;)
[12:28] <lovre> anyway, i think im heading back to windows now, enough linux for tonight. Its harder to make the change than i expected it to be
[12:28] <uga> lovre: anyway, you know you can get it in the same conditions as windows: paid/stolen/or halved price for students
[12:28] <uga> however you did for windows, same exists for linux =)
[12:28] <uga> it's up to you to decide
[12:28] <lovre> uga: thank you for your time, you have been a great help. I will see you again. Bye :)
[12:32] <ghozala> HELP!!!!! when i open kdmtheme i found that (to change in this section requires root access then u must click administrator mode button ) the  surprise that i didnt find that button what can i do plz help
[12:33] <NickPresta> ghozala, are you using System Settings or KControl to do this?
[12:33] <ghozala> yes
[12:33] <ardchoille> lol
[12:33] <NickPresta> which one? lol
[12:33] <ghozala> system settings
[12:33] <NickPresta> ghozala, okay, open a terminal and type: `kdesu system-settings`
[12:33] <NickPresta> you will have opened SS with root permissions. Don't make it a habit :)
[12:33] <ghozala> with sudo or not
[12:34] <ardchoille> !kdesu | ghozala
[12:34] <ubotu> ghozala: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[12:34] <bazhang> hello
[12:34] <ghozala> ok thanks
[12:35] <NickPresta> !hi | bazhang
[12:35] <ubotu> bazhang: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:36] <ivan_> all:
[12:36] <bazhang> Thanks all! Though I'm going to regret it, how do I get Compiz going in Kubuntu? I downloaded all the necessary bits, but no response to key commands, etc. Thanks!
[12:37] <ardchoille> !compiz | bazhang
[12:37] <ubotu> bazhang: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:37] <bazhang> would that be compiz --replace from the terminal?
[12:38] <uga> bazhang: better on alt+f2
[12:38] <ghozala> NickPresta i got that
[12:38] <ghozala> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 167
[12:38] <ghozala>   Major opcode:  144
[12:38] <ghozala>   Minor opcode:  3
[12:38] <ghozala>   Resource id:  0x0
[12:38] <ghozala> Failed to open device
[12:38] <ivan_> alt+f2 and type compiz --replace there.
[12:39] <bazhang> thanks! how to get the window decorations back?
[12:39] <ivan_> sorry? u must tupe compiz --replace &