[01:22] <savvas> ericrost: no idea, sorry :)
[01:22] <Yaroze> RAOF: doesnt handle nfs?
[01:22] <RAOF> Yaroze: Wow.  Quite true.
[01:22] <wabiD> im installing xfce as we speak
[01:22] <savvas> ericrost: just point out to them to ask for further info if they are interested
[01:23] <wabiD> we will see what happens
[01:23] <ericrost> I did, and I checked to see if there were any related bugs, didn't see anything close..
[01:23] <ericrost> just tryin to do my part (since I'm running beta and all)
[01:23] <ericrost> :)
[01:23] <savvas> now there's a person that shares my thoughts!
[01:23] <wabiD> if i run gran paradiso from term i get this - http://pastebin.com/m7db154c
[01:24] <g2g591> ok, if you want to give kde a try without all the apps the kde-core package just installs the basics
[01:24] <ericrost> I figured I was running compiz-fusion out of another repo anyhow, why not just upgrade (and in doing so dug for the workaround to the blank screen issue with nvidia)
[01:24] <g2g591> yep just as i thought, a gtk (gnome) issue
[01:24] <wabiD> well it might be
[01:24] <Yaroze> RAOF: :(
[01:25] <wabiD> it could just as easily be a firefox issue
[01:25] <g2g591> no, its not a firefox issue because it works fine for me
[01:25] <ericrost> I really do like compiz fusion.. now that its stable, it makes my desktop run faster (I don't run too much fancy, just let it composite and move the windows in obvious ways when I'm switching focus)
[01:26] <ericrost> far snappier than metacity on my rig, since I've got a decent vid card
[01:26] <g2g591> i have to go for a while
[01:26] <wabiD> it could be a firefox issue, talking to gnome
[01:26] <wabiD> but gnome is behaving correctly
[01:27] <RAOF> Yaroze: I wonder why it doesn't?  Can you browse NFS devices from Places->Network?
[01:29] <Yaroze> RAOF: nope only samba
[01:29] <RAOF> Yaroze: Waaaaaah!
[01:30] <wabiD> same problem with xfce
[01:30] <wabiD> its not gnome
[01:30] <savvas> what problem?
[01:31] <Yaroze> RAOF: always been like that :)
[01:31] <wabiD> http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4123/granju7.png
[01:31] <Yaroze> but i think konqueror supports browsing nfs
[01:31] <RAOF> Yaroze: Why do we have better support for browsing Samba than NFS??
[01:31] <jansenq> Anybody have problems with fglrx after the upgrade to gusty?
[01:31] <Yaroze> RAOF: for the noobies :)
[01:32] <savvas> wabiD: uh font size ?
[01:32] <wabiD> do the fonts look wrong?
[01:32] <wabiD> they look fine to me
[01:32] <savvas> ..
[01:33] <savvas> you pointed me to an image
[01:33] <wabiD> im pretty sure the images look screwed up
[01:33] <savvas> i saw a firefox and the alpha version
[01:33] <wabiD> correct
[01:33] <wabiD> and the alpha version is really really big
[01:33] <wabiD> but the text isnt
[01:33] <wabiD> just images
[01:33] <savvas> ah sort of like zoomed in
[01:34] <wabiD> so it appears
[01:34] <wabiD> dpi is all set up correctly, its not a gnome issue
[01:34] <wabiD> and clearing my profile does nothing
[01:35] <savvas> compiz?
[01:35] <wabiD> nope
[01:35] <wabiD> i disabled it, and its still a problem with xfce
[01:35] <wabiD> instead of gnome
[01:35] <savvas> poke the folks in irc.mozilla.org :P
[01:36] <chronographer> Hello, anyone having trouble with their digital cameraa and gutsy?
[01:37] <chronographer> my camera is recognised but no progs will suck the photos off.
[01:37] <savvas> you mean you can't view images in any program, like image viewer?
[01:38] <chronographer> yep. Plug camera in, download photos dialog pops up, reports error. I try gphoto2 -P which alwatys worked if all else failed in the past, I get an error message
[01:39] <chronographer> gphopto autodetect gives 2 cameras Ricoh Caplio R1                usb:
[01:39] <chronographer> Ricoh Caplio R1                usb:002,002
[01:39] <chronographer> I obnly have one attached, maybe it tries the wrong one?
[01:39] <savvas> thank god mine is detected as a usb flash :)
[01:40] <chronographer> hmm. Any ideas for a fix?
[01:41] <savvas> chronographer: doesn't it show folders and images? mine does, opens exactly as a usb flash, and I can copy/paste pictures into my /home/ and then use them as wished
[01:42] <chronographer> nope, it is only accessable through the software stuff, like gphoto2 etc.
[01:42] <savvas> ah bummer
[01:42] <kevinO> has anyone got vmware to install on gutsy yet?
[01:42] <savvas> no idea then, sorry :)
[01:43] <savvas> kevinO: I use virtualbox
[01:43] <kevinO> savvas, does it support vmdk's?
[01:43] <chronographer> I also use virtualbox. Get it from the website though.
[01:43] <chronographer> the ubuntu package didn't work for me
[01:44] <savvas> there was a tool somewhere.. but it didn't work for me 3 months ago
[01:44] <savvas> a converter
[01:44] <kevinO> will they load my virtual machines i alreadyu have or do i have to reinstall?
[01:44] <kevinO> oh
[01:44] <savvas> they use .vdi
[01:46] <kevinO> how does this program compare to vmware?
[01:47] <savvas> faster, less hassle
[01:47] <kevinO> oooo nice
[01:47] <savvas> but less capable of installing operating systems
[01:47] <savvas> :P
[01:47] <kevinO> hmm
[01:47] <savvas> e.g. windows 98 and 95 don't run in it
[01:47] <chronographer> I never used a VM before, but virtual box has been great for me, runs fast, no direct x, used the same VM (VDI ) from debian etch through to new gutsy install
[01:48] <savvas> doesn't support x64 Guest (virtual) machines, even though if I own an x64 host
[01:48] <chronographer> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
[01:48] <kevinO> ahh i have to install windows 98 and up
[01:48] <kevinO> :(
[01:49] <savvas> I can test install win 98 again if you want
[01:51] <kevinO> well i dont really want you to go through all that trouble, I was thinking more along the lines of getting vmware player to work properly
[01:52] <kevinO> looks like someone has a fix for it but i cant read german
[01:52] <kevinO> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/146272
[01:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 146272 in linux-meta "[gutsy]  vmware-player is not installable + outdated" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[01:52] <kevinO> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-meta/+bug/146272
[01:52] <savvas> try with vmware-server
[01:52] <kevinO> i dont have a key for that
[01:52] <savvas> it's free
[01:52] <kevinO> what?
[01:52] <kevinO> why do they sell it then?
[01:52] <savvas> what? :)
[01:52] <savvas> no clue
[01:53] <kevinO> vmware-server is not in commercial repos?
[01:53] <savvas> http://www.vmware.com/download/server/
[01:54] <savvas> "To use the versions below, you will need to register for your free serial number(s)."
[01:54] <savvas> :] 
[01:54] <kevinO> thats weird
[01:55] <savvas> not weird at all
[01:55] <savvas> I've been using vmware for a year
[01:55] <savvas> it's open source
[01:55] <kevinO> on server, can you install new os's?, or is it jst a player?
[01:56] <savvas> new os, yep
[01:56] <savvas> play & install
[01:56] <savvas> i think it has limited network operations
[01:56] <kevinO> well thats just crazy, why doesnt everyone use it
[01:56] <savvas> but nat always worked here
[01:57] <savvas> it must have something limited
[01:57] <scizzo-> meep
[01:59] <savvas> kevinO: I'm installing windows 98 atm, it looks like it has better support.. we'll see
[02:00] <kevinO> cool
[02:00] <savvas> I read somewhere in their forums that they like to support NT and up
[02:00] <savvas> who knows
[02:01] <bascule> savvas: server doesn't support drag'n'drop to host is one missing feature from server
[02:01] <savvas> i knew they're missing something :)
[02:02] <kevinO> i wonder if microsoft still has all the 98 updates available for download, last i knew they were going to stop
[02:02] <savvas> wasn't that last year kevo?
[02:02] <kevinO> yeah
[02:02] <savvas> eh who needs m$
[02:03] <savvas> I got my ubuntu :)
[02:03] <kevinO> all my friends
[02:03] <kevinO> lol
[02:03] <kevinO> i try to get them to convret they wont have it
[02:03] <Xero> Oh My God! They Killed init! You Bastards!
[02:03] <savvas> lol
[02:03] <bascule> he was respawning to fast?
[02:03] <kevinO> i really just use the ms family for helping people troubleshoot their installs
[02:04] <kevinO> and i have vista so i can play halo2
[02:04] <Xero> Halo 2? There's an XBOX for that.
[02:04] <kevinO> other than that i luvbuntu
[02:04] <kevinO> uh yeah i dont have the money for an xbox
[02:05] <chronographer> I would think about XP if I could run SupCom on my machine, but its too old
[02:05] <Xero> XBOXes are $100. Vista is $500.
[02:05] <chronographer> and I don't have time for games
[02:05] <kevinO> lol no vista is not 500
[02:05] <Xero> You don't have money for an XBOX but you do for Vista. Amazing.
[02:05] <Xero> Simply freakin' amazing.
[02:05] <kevinO> i payed like 89 dollars for vista
[02:05] <Xero> Home Basic, which does almost nothing they advertise.
[02:06] <kevinO> no i have business
[02:06] <Xero> Still not much.
[02:06] <kevinO> i got it when they were offering the free upgrades
[02:06] <Xero> Ahh. Poor thing.
[02:06] <kevinO> tell me about it
[02:06] <ericrost> savvas: vmware is not open source
[02:06] <Xero> You got ripped off. Free is too high a price for Vista.
[02:07] <kevinO> i had to fight with moduslink for 4 months to get it
[02:07] <bascule> pc world?
[02:07] <ericrost> Xero: Vista on the horizon is the reason I switched to linux last year
[02:07] <orin> So, Gutsy will come out soon. Will it break a lot of stuff with AppArmor?
[02:08] <Xero> orin, noperz.
[02:08] <savvas> ericrost: well ok, it was? http://www.vmware.com/download/server/open_source.html
[02:08] <kevinO> believe me im not a huge fan of microsoft, and im certainly not a fan of paying 400 dollars for  the 360, and the original xbox, well, ive modded about a hundred or so for friends and im burnt out on em
[02:08] <ericrost> savvas: its not the complete source
[02:09] <Xero> Original Xbox = HALO2 FOR CHEEP!!!!
[02:09] <ericrost> savvas: in fact they got nearly in hot water (lukewarm) by not releasing code changes until fsf asked
[02:09] <Xero> Vista = Ripoff + another ripoff + crap all shoved into a very small blender.
[02:09] <kevinO> why waste that money when i can save it towards a 360?
[02:09] <Xero> 360's suck in general. They're the only console without motion detection.
[02:10] <kevinO> then i can play halo3
[02:10] <bascule> cause your 360 will fail
[02:10] <ericrost> savvas: which is why you have to register for a serial to use it...
[02:10] <Xero> PS3 has a little of it, Wii has a lot, XBox360=overheat+no motion detection + crap
[02:10] <kevinO> lol
[02:10] <Xero> once again, all shoved into a VERY small blender
[02:10] <orin> When Feisty came out, KDM was broken for the first two to three weeks. Users could only use "Log Off" but there was no option for shutdown, reboot, hibernate, suspend, etc. Did KDM go through any more changes this time?
[02:10] <savvas> ericrost: interesting, thanks :)
[02:10] <ericrost> savvas: don't get me wrong, I use it
[02:10] <kevinO> thats why they make warranty's
[02:10] <Gun_Smoke> Xero: how does ps3 do it?
[02:10] <Xero> Gun_Smoke, piezoelectric sensors in the SIXAXIS
[02:10] <orin> I remember Edgy was fine and Feisty seemingly used new debs to fix some non-issue and ended up breaking stuff.
[02:11] <zblach> hey all
[02:11] <savvas> kevinO: 59%
[02:11] <savvas> are you going to be here for another 10-15 minutes?
[02:11] <kevinO> cool i just finished dl'ing server
[02:11] <Xero> Holy crap. SIXAXIS is a palindrome.
[02:11] <kevinO> yep
[02:12] <Gun_Smoke> what is SIXAXIS?
[02:12] <Xero> The PS3 controller.
[02:12] <ericrost> savvas: were you asking me?
[02:12] <zblach> the name of t... yeah
[02:12] <savvas> ericrost: no, kevinO :)
[02:12] <Xero> Ripped from gizmodo: the latest ad for the PlayStation 3 highlights the fact that the SIXAXIS has tilt sensing capabilities.
[02:13] <Xero> Phear phear phear.
[02:13] <Gun_Smoke> Oh.. why such a special name?
[02:13] <orin> Anyone know?
[02:13] <Xero> It does the detection on 6 axes, I guess.
[02:13] <zblach> threeaxis isn't a palindrome
[02:13] <Gun_Smoke> Oh.
[02:13] <kevinO> orin, what are you asking?
[02:13] <zblach> and threerht doesn't really mean anything
[02:13] <ericrost> savvas, fyi, the next screen if you d/l is this: http://register.vmware.com/content/eula.html
[02:14] <kevinO> orin, i see, i have no idea man
[02:14] <savvas> ericrost: yeah, I'm studying medicine, not law :)
[02:14] <ericrost> F/LOSS doesn't have EULA's... although I suppose it depends on your strict definition of open source
[02:14] <ericrost> savvas: I'm an engineer, but license stuff is a hobby interest (just into the whole F/LOSS aspect of Linux)
[02:15] <Xero> lol they call broken-apart gadgetry silicon porn.
[02:15] <savvas> hehe
[02:15] <ericrost> savvas: does the message compose box on your pidgin bounce as you type the first line?
[02:15] <savvas> my hobby is computers, that's how I got into linux :P
[02:15] <Gun_Smoke> ericrost: Now thats a hobby...
[02:15] <magicrobotmonkey> have there been any problems  installing java 6 on gutsy?
[02:16] <zblach> magicrobotmonkey: nope
[02:16] <Xero> X-Y-Z, pitch, roll, yaw and lateral motion
[02:16] <Xero> That's 6 axes
[02:16] <zblach> that's 7
[02:16] <savvas> ericrost: I don't use it, sorry
[02:16] <ericrost> Xero: actually XYZ is lateral motion
[02:16] <bascule> :)
[02:17] <ericrost> savvas: on kubuntu then?
[02:17] <Xero> ericrost, it's on Engadget. Don't blame me.
[02:17] <magicrobotmonkey> like, apt claims its installed, but it doesnt show up  in update-alternatives
[02:17] <orin> Does anyone know if KDM allows users to shutdown, restart, and logoff through KDE? It got changed in the Edgy to Feisty change so I'm a bit concerned about updating my machine to Gutsy in a few weeks
[02:17] <savvas> no i don't use pidgin :P
[02:17] <savvas> I don't use IM stuff
[02:17] <ericrost> savvas: on command line then? what are you irc'ing on?
[02:17] <savvas> irssi :)
[02:17] <orin> irssi possibly
[02:18] <savvas> bingo
[02:18] <ericrost> hmm.. I'll check that out, the only thing I use pidgin for is irc in general
[02:18] <zblach> quick question about kmix. how do you set the default channel?
[02:18] <bascule> it has no equal
[02:18] <savvas> you have irssi for console and xchat for a graphical approach
[02:18] <Gun_Smoke> I like irssi
[02:19] <ericrost> what do you think of the new theme changes? synaptic icon, etc.. I think they cleaned it up nicely for gutsy
[02:19] <orin> zblach: Right click on KMix and click "Select Master Channel"
[02:19] <magicrobotmonkey> yea irssi rocks
[02:19] <savvas> they made a lot of nice icon changes
[02:19] <zblach> orin: does that also affect the XF86 volume controls?
[02:19] <orin> zblach: No idea. Try it and see.
[02:20] <zblach> survey says 'no'
[02:20] <Gun_Smoke> It's amazing how may people have no idea irssi is there.. esp when they break x
[02:20] <ericrost> I thought I saw somewhere that avant-window-navigator was going to be in the repos for gutsy... I didn't see it, and so I installed my local copy back
[02:20] <savvas> Gun_Smoke: i think it's not preinstalled
[02:20] <zblach> i keep irssi and lynx just in case
[02:20] <savvas> and actually.. that's the reason I use irssi
[02:20] <bascule> irssi has saved ne fron ny own lameness on a few occassions :)
[02:20] <savvas> I tend to break stuff :P
[02:21] <magicrobotmonkey> Gun_Smoke: forget break x: irssi +screen+openvpn+dyndns = teh ruler
[02:21] <savvas> screen and irssi tend to help keep the continuity :)
[02:21] <ericrost> savvas: I seem to not break stuff badly enough to not get X up as a last fall back
[02:21] <Xero> Sooo many typos. Must put on blog of some guy.
[02:21] <Gun_Smoke> savvas: I've always had it..
[02:21] <kevinO> savvas it was unable to build the vmmon module :(
[02:21] <ericrost> Gun_Smoke: what's screen?
[02:21] <Xero> kevin0 there are patches on the internet that worked for me, but they suck.
[02:22] <savvas> ouch
[02:22] <savvas> it needs the kernel headers right?
[02:23] <kevinO> Xero is the patch your talking baout in german?
[02:23] <Xero> I'm using VirtualBox. It didn't need headers.
[02:23] <zengen> When using the installer to encrypt a partition is it possible to make just a /boot and the encrypted partition and then create logical partitions in the encrypted partition?
[02:23] <Gun_Smoke> ericrost:  Screen?
[02:23] <Xero> kevinO, no.
[02:23] <kevinO> i found one linked from launchpad, but its in german,...
[02:25] <ryancr> I am using an updated Gutsy with a nvidia 5900xt card, I thought the latest drivers were supposed to fix the black window problem, but I am still getting it
[02:25] <ericrost> Gun_Smoke: ahh it was savvas that mentioned it, but I just looked it up anyhow
[02:25] <savvas> until you install vmware, I'm installing the guest O/S kevinO  :P
[02:25] <Gun_Smoke> ah ha
[02:25] <Xero> vmware = doody.
[02:25] <Xero> VirtualBox ftw.
[02:25] <ryancr> I am just curious why, as before I assume the indirect rendering flag was on, but now it doesn't seem to be
[02:26] <savvas> Xero: try install windows 95 on your "ftw"
[02:26] <ryancr> any ideas? where can I set it to be indirect again?
[02:26] <kevinO> someone in the ubuntu forum said they got around it by installing g++ headers
[02:26] <Xero> savvas, I've done it.
[02:26] <savvas> I'm retrying for the last time to install windows 98 on virtualbox
[02:26] <Xero> Quite strange, though.
[02:26] <savvas> !
[02:26] <Xero> Win98 works fine on VBox.
[02:27] <Xero> I'm not sure why 95 wouldn't, but 98 works perfectly.
[02:27] <savvas> we'll see
[02:27] <savvas> the previous 2 versions didnt
[02:27] <Xero> Well, I don't really need much of a VM. I've gotten quite detached from WindBlows.
[02:27] <kevinO> what would the g++ headers package name be?
[02:28] <ericrost> Xero: I use vmware to run my ubuntu servers under ubuntu
[02:28] <ericrost> Xero: that way i can chop an underutilized machine up into 4 different machines
[02:28] <Xero> ericrost, good idea.
[02:29] <savvas> and earn extra $$$ times 4 :)
[02:29] <Xero> lol
[02:29] <bascule> but doesn't the performace hit of vmware its self make that inefficient?
[02:29] <ericrost> savvas: my servers are home servers, I don't do anything commercial personnally
[02:29] <Xero> As long as you don't run a virtual cluster, the performance hit wouldn't be too bad with the right hardware.
[02:30] <kevinO> that is a wonderful idea ericrost
[02:37] <ericrost> bascule: I haven't noticed a particular performance hit, but I'm just running a wordpress server on one, mt-daapd on the base, and I'm in process of building a zimbra server on one slice
[02:37] <ericrost> the fourth slice is gonna be another wordpress or whatever I feel like playing with at the moment
[02:37] <bascule> I haven't used vmware for some time, but i remeber getting about 1/4 cpu overall
[02:37] <Xero> Perfect for what he needs.
[02:37] <Xero> He slices it up in 4 parts, each gets 1/4 proc.
[02:37] <ericrost> the other nice thing is I can completely disable shell access on the virtualized servers
[02:37] <Xero> Load balancing time.
[02:37] <ericrost> so the only way to access a shell is through vmware over the private subnet
[02:37] <bascule> well, I was thinking more along the lines of 1/16 on each, but I never actually tried that
[02:37] <bascule> experience will tell ... :)
[02:37] <Xero> Yep.
[02:41] <LjL> !netsplit
[02:41] <ubotu> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[02:41] <nrossin> bur[n] er: Yeah, found it on launchpad and I was right - everyone has this bug.
[02:41] <joshhunt> hey
[02:41] <kevinO> savvas cool, im still tryin to get vmware server to work
[02:41] <joshhunt> so, i just installed 7.10 beta
[02:41] <joshhunt> and the updater checked for updates, but now its kind of asking me to do a disto upgrade http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w274/kuzmaster/screenspng.png
[02:42] <savvas> kevinO: it would be easier to install vbox :P
[02:42] <nemik> joshhunt: just do it
[02:42] <Xero> savvas, lol I've converted you. Now let's see if I can make you use some other things.
[02:42] <joshhunt> do the distro upgrade....?
[02:42] <nemik> it's part of gutsy. just obey
[02:42] <nemik> yes
[02:42] <joshhunt> :S
[02:42] <joshhunt> what ever
[02:42] <joshhunt> :p
[02:42] <joshhunt> *does
[02:43] <savvas> Xero: I was already using virtualbox, but I thought they'd drop support for win9x
[02:43] <Xero> Oh.
[02:43] <Xero> Win95 works perfectly without that fix.
[02:44] <nrossin> Anyone else having problems using the proprietary nVidia drivers in Kubuntu Gutsy?
[02:44] <Xero> nrossin, nope.
[02:44] <savvas> nrossin: through restricted drivers manager ?
[02:44] <ericrost> did you check what kernel you're booting into nrossin?
[02:44] <Xero> Go netsplit go.
[02:44] <ericrost> uname -r
[02:45] <sonoftheclayr> nrossin: I have the same problem. Nothing comes up whenyou boot?
[02:45] <ericrost> I had an issue that it didn't update the default kernel to boot into, and thus the kernel modules for the driver it installed were mismatched
[02:46] <ericrost> so I had to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to save the default kernel after I booted into the correct one, see this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/147889
[02:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147889 in ubuntu "Feisty-Gutsy beta amd64 upgrade does not set default kernel correctly" [Undecided,New] 
[02:46] <nrossin> savvas: Yes, I'm using the RDM
[02:47] <nrossin> ericrost: I'm not sure. it's whatever kernel was the latest released into the Gutsy repos
[02:47] <kevinO> savvas i got it to work, i think, i made it past the module part
[02:47] <nrossin> sonoftheclayr: No, it boots, but the resolution is distorted and can't be changed.
[02:47] <ericrost> go to a terminal and type uname -r and tell me the version
[02:48] <sonoftheclayr> different problem then
[02:48] <ericrost> ahh, diff problem probably then nrossin, if it was a kernel mismatch, you wouldn't get to a desktop
[02:49] <bur[n] er_> in addition to this gdm problem... wasn't it supposed to be fixed that when you logout, you don't see terminal garbage in between gui screens?
[02:49] <ericrost> sonoftheclayr: see this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/129910 ?
[02:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 129910 in initramfs-tools "tty[1-6]  are active but display nothing in Gutsy" [High,Triaged] 
[02:50] <ericrost> bur[n] er_: you may be in the wrong kernel.. there was a bug when I upgraded that didn't boot into the newest gutsy kernel by default
[02:51] <ericrost> and when it did that, it showed the terminal in the background
[02:51] <bur[n] er_> 2.6.22-12 the newest?
[02:51] <ericrost> yes
[02:51] <bur[n] er_> bummer
[02:51] <ericrost> just tryin to pass along what I ran into :( sorry I'm not helpin
[02:52] <bur[n] er_> no worries, i appreciate the effort
[02:52] <ericrost> aside from those two problems, my upgrade has gone pretty flawlessly...
[02:52] <ericrost> I'm impressed by the additional polish in gutsy so far
[02:53] <ericrost> Ubuntu's really getting close as far as the "average user" target
[02:53] <kevinO> OK yall, please not, that vmware server will install without problems with this patch http://knihovny.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/vmware-any-any-update113.tar.gz
[02:53] <kevinO> note*
[02:53] <bur[n] er_> ericrost: i'd go as far to say it's there since you can buy Dells and some other systems with ubuntu
[02:54] <brandon__> totem's lirc support seems to have vanished ever since upgrading to gutsy
[02:54] <sonoftheclayr> ericrost: probably not it, i can't get into anu of the virtual consoles
[02:54] <sonoftheclayr> I'll have a look anyway
[02:54] <Xero> WingWangTouch
[02:54] <ericrost> bur[n] er_: even shuttleworth said that its not *quite* there yet.. and there's still a few tiny details.. but its very close
[02:55] <ericrost> bur[n] er_: and getting closer with every release as far as I can see
[02:55] <ericrost> sonoftheclayr: that's the bug
[02:59] <sonoftheclayr> Thanks ericrost
[03:01] <sonoftheclayr> Now to reboot and see if it works
[03:02] <kevinO> all this rave about virtualbox i thinks i may just have to try it
[03:03] <kevinO> can i install from synaptic, someone said it wouldnt install from there
[03:03] <SpudDogg> anyone know how to change the defualt screen resolution in gutsy?
[03:04] <kevinO> SpudDogg: you can change it under system>preferences> Screen Resolution
[03:04] <SpudDogg> kevinO, yea, but it won't let me enter my own resolution
[03:04] <kevinO> ok hold on
[03:04] <SpudDogg> neither will editing xorg.conf
[03:05] <kevinO> do this run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and at the end of that you will be able to select the default resolutions, select your out of the list
[03:05] <SpudDogg> kevinO, i was just getting ready to do that.  thanks
[03:05] <h1st0> So this has become a suport channel now that beta is out
[03:06] <kevinO> i always do ctrl+alt+F3 and then login as root then killall gdm then run dpkd SpudDogg
[03:07] <kevinO> h1st0: well if you go to ubuntu and tell them you are running gutsy, they immediatly send you herre
[03:07] <h1st0> I've been sending people here too but telling them its not for support.
[03:08] <kevinO> ahh
[03:08] <h1st0> Just for bug testing/reporting etc...
[03:08] <kevinO> right
[03:08] <h1st0> Ppl don't understand
[03:09] <Artemis3> evil s3 savaga w
[03:09] <Artemis3> will run 3d games but no compizf..
[03:10] <Artemis3> direct rendering yes and all...
[03:10] <Artemis3> ah well
[03:12] <Viroo> hi
[03:12] <Artemis3> hi
[03:12] <Viroo> anyone knows if the gusty beta installer has a bug? it stops with me
[03:14] <Viroo> ???
[03:14] <Viroo> anyone ?
[03:15] <Viroo> helloooooooooo
[03:15] <Viroo> anyone ???????
[03:15] <Viroo> I need someone to confirm
[03:16] <TuTUXG> hot plug ipod 5g video make nautilus runs very long time to responds
[03:16] <TuTUXG> hot plug ipod 5g video make nautilus running very long time to respond*
[03:18] <VousDeux> !dvd
[03:18] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[03:23] <TuTUXG> hot plug ipod 5g video make nautilus running very long time to respond*
[03:23] <sonoftheclayr> Well it worked but my wireless didn't so here I am again
[03:24] <TuTUXG> about 5 mins+
[03:24] <joshhunt> !ntfs
[03:24] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[03:25] <extra> anyone running on 965gm in ubuntu?
[03:25] <extra> 965gm the gpu?
[03:25] <extra> mine no worky
[03:44] <dano> Hey all, i recently upgraded from feisty to gutsy, and for the most part it works, but my wacom stylus no longer functions, and also my external display.  Any ideas how to begin to trouble shoot, normally it just works from default install?
[03:45] <RAOF> dano: Do you have the xserver-xgl packages installed? :-|
[03:46] <dano> RAOF, no, i don't.  Should I?
[03:46] <RAOF> No.
[03:46] <RAOF> that means it's probably not my fault :)
[03:46] <TuTUXG_> hot plug ipod 5g video make nautilus running very long time to respond, is this a know issue?
[03:47] <RAOF> TuTUXG_: Not to me.  Given the poor response here, maybe you should try searching launchpad?
[03:48] <dano> i have wacom added to my autoloaded modules, and it seems to be loaded fine
[03:48] <dano> but it just doesnt work
[03:50] <Xero> Hello MTecknology
[03:50] <MTecknology_> hi
[03:51] <Xero> lol virtualbox froze.
[03:51] <MTecknology> still having issues - but I suppose that's why beta was released.. get all those kinkers out
[03:51] <Xero> What kinkers?
[03:52] <zetheroo> how do I install the fglrx drivers through the terminal?
[03:52] <h1st0> Pretty much beta is not meant for use yet
[03:52] <h1st0> !ati > zetheroo
[03:52] <Xero> why > instead of |?
[03:52] <Xero> | is much more fun.
[03:53] <MTecknology> So far... I need to click somewhere b4 the panel shows up. vmware-server isn't available yet(I know it's coming), certain updates kill my system, trying to erase annotations locks up my system but audio/video still play....
[03:53] <MisterN__> h1st0: i don't use it, but... why do you call it a beta if it's not meant for use?
[03:53] <MTecknology> eh, i think that's it - my stylus is a whole nother ball of crap - but i managed to get it going as well as i did in 7.04
[03:54] <h1st0> MisterN__: lookup beta
[03:54] <MTecknology> Xero, b/c > keeps everything out of the channel
[03:54] <MisterN__> h1st0: i think i know what beta means.
[03:54] <h1st0> MisterN__: not if you think its ready for use
[03:54] <kyja> help pls.
[03:55] <Xero> Beta means the second stage of testing.
[03:55] <crdlb> beta means it's ready for testing
[03:55] <Xero> More stable than Alpha, but not meant for production use.
[03:55] <MisterN__> "A beta version is the first version released outside the organization or community that develops the software, for the purpose of evaluation or real-world black/grey-box testing. The process of delivering a beta version to the users is called beta release. Beta level software generally includes all features, but may also include known issues and bugs of a less serious variety."
[03:55] <MisterN__> this sounds like usable for me.
[03:55] <MTecknology> I think it's time to see if 7.10 supports out printer here.....
[03:55] <MisterN__> -for+to
[03:56] <kyja> installed 7.10 works like a charm. hp zd8000 laptop. works great except for 15-20 minutes it shuts off. like the plug gets pulled
[03:56] <MisterN__> sure, not for production use. but "use" is a broader term, isn't it?
[03:56] <crdlb> MisterN__, you shouldn't expect it to work, and if it doesn't, you should file a bug
[03:56] <crdlb> that's what beta means
[03:56] <Xero> 7.10 > certain activities I like to do with women.
[03:56] <h1st0> MisterN__: key wordsin there "for the purpose of evaluation or real-world black/gre-box testing."
[03:56] <MisterN__> h1st0: especially the "real-world"
[03:57] <leku> hi
[03:57] <Xero> looooool beta argument
[03:57] <MisterN__> but how is real-world testing supposed to take place when you tell everybody that he shouldn't do it?
[03:57] <h1st0> yeap
[03:57] <leku> I can't do 'reload' in the synaptic package manager
[03:57] <h1st0> Thats fine use it if you want just all these people that come in here wanting support for it are miss informed
[03:57] <leku> it just sits there saying downloading file 1 of 11
[03:57] <Xero> I think I pretty much hit the nail on the head with what I said.
[03:57] <Xero> 2nd test stage, better than alpha, no production use
[03:58] <MisterN__> Xero: well and you're right
[03:58] <crdlb> Xero, nah you hit my foot :o
[03:58] <leku> it says it could not download all repository indexes
[03:58] <MisterN__> but that's not the prevailing opinion it seems
[03:58] <leku> but when i do an apt-get update it works fine
[03:58] <Xero> crdlb, I'm sorry. Would you like a cookie?
[03:58] <crdlb> Xero, yes please
[03:58] <Xero> WELL TOO BAD
[03:58] <crdlb> :(
[03:58] <MisterN__> the prevailing opinion is: "beta is alpha" - or so it seems to me
[03:58] <leku> is there something wrong with http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/ ?
[03:59] <Xero> Beta is technically alpha 6, but I agree with MisterN__ here.
[03:59] <crdlb> MisterN__, a lot of people complain when a beta doesn't work properly or eats their data, etc
[03:59] <crdlb> h1st0's attitude is just reactionary to that
[03:59] <Xero> ttum tum data in the tum tum
[03:59] <Xero> replace the first tum tum with yum yum
[04:00] <MisterN__> crdlb: a beta shouldn't eat data - of course, you can't guarantee it, but...
[04:00] <crdlb> it only takes one bug to eat your data
[04:00] <Xero> the Vista beta -- and Vista release -- eat data.
[04:01] <MisterN__> crdlb: yes, and it is quite likely that there is even more than one bug in the release
[04:01] <Booh-> I want to wype out UTF-8... is it possible?
[04:01] <Xero> Are. Oh. Eff. Ell.
[04:01] <Booh-> I tried to modify /etc/environment /etc/locale.gen /etc/default/locale
[04:01] <Xero> Why would you want to do that Booh-?
[04:02] <Booh-> I do locale-gen and dpkg-reconfigure localeconf
[04:02] <Booh-> but I always have us_en.utf-8 generated!! I need iso-8859-1
[04:02] <Xero> Once again, why would you want to do that?
[04:03] <Booh-> I want to install DB2 v.8.1 and DB2 detect utf-8... and stop.  DB2 need iso-8859-1
[04:03] <Xero> Someone help him. I don't know how to do this, or how to handle with killing UTF-8.
[04:03] <Booh-> IBM DB2
[04:04] <Booh-> in fact, I search on this since 3 days... nobody seems to know how!
[04:04] <Xero> s/him/'him/her'
[04:04] <Booh-> But... in ubuntu website, there is a very big lie... about ubuntu support IBM DB2
[04:04] <Jordan_U> Booh-, That seems strange that you would need to change the locale for DB2 to work
[04:04] <leku> hey guys
[04:04] <Booh-> strange but true
[04:04] <leku> synaptic and gnome update-manager wont' work on my gutsy system
[04:04] <leku> but apt-get works fine
[04:05] <Xero> Hello leku.
[04:05] <leku> the guis just sit there like they can't talk to the repos for some reason
[04:05] <Jordan_U> Booh-, Can you pastebin the exact error?
[04:05] <leku> i looked at my apt.sources and i commented out everything except the normal ubuntu stuff
[04:05] <Jordan_U> Booh-, And why are you asking in #ubuntu+1?
[04:05] <pppoe_dude> anyone experiencing DNS slowness in gutsy?
[04:05] <leku> and did apt-get update, still having problem
[04:06] <Jordan_U> leku, Can you pastebin the output of apt-get update?
[04:06] <MisterN__> good night
[04:06] <leku> sure 1s
[04:06] <Jordan_U> Booh-, How did you install DB2 ?
[04:07] <Booh->  (path)/db2langdir: error while loading shared libraries: libm.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:07] <Booh->  ./db2setup of course.
[04:07] <Booh-> I ever install it twice with a modify Debian...
[04:07] <Booh-> 4 years ago
[04:08] <Booh-> If I look inside directories, there is not en_us.utf-8 directory... but there is en_us.iso-8859-1 and C also.
[04:08] <Booh-> too* I mean
[04:08] <Booh-> and other language.
[04:09] <leku> http://rafb.net/p/Vtx2rq58.html
[04:09] <Jordan_U> leku, ... What is wrong with that?
[04:09] <leku> nothing
[04:10] <leku> but synaptic and the gnome-update-manager and restricted driver manager are broken
[04:10] <Booh-> I would like to generate the iso-8859-1 at minimum!!  Now, locale-gen gives me only utf-8
[04:10] <leku> they timeout trying to talk to http://us.ubuntu.com or whatever
[04:11] <leku> here is my sources.list
[04:11] <leku> http://rafb.net/p/yD2QWY28.html
[04:11] <Booh-> Jordan_U, I ask in #ubuntu+1 because nobody on other chan know... here, probably skills is better for this kind of question
[04:12] <Jordan_U> leku, You should file a bug against Synaptic then ( after checking that one has not been filed already )
[04:12] <leku> it's not in synaptic
[04:12] <Xero> Quit message test.
[04:13] <leku> it's not a bug
[04:13] <leku> something is just hosed on my box
[04:13] <Jordan_U> leku, If apt-get update works, but "reload" in Synaptic does not, how is that not a bug in synaptic?
[04:13] <leku> because it is in gnome-update-manager to
[04:13] <leku> too
[04:13] <Xero> Did it work?
[04:14] <Jordan_U> * Xero has quit ("This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already ex")
[04:14] <Xero> Sh**
[04:14] <MTecknology> After downloading my driver - my printer worked no questions asked. Never had that happen in 7.04 or windows :D
[04:15] <Jordan_U> leku, Then file a bug against both, I think that update-manager uses synaptic to a certain extent, or they both use common libraries ( many of the dialogs look the same )
[04:15] <Jordan_U> leku, Wherever the bug is, it is none the less a bug
[04:16] <Jordan_U> Booh-, What is the output of "locate libm.so.6" ?
[04:17] <colin_> i'm having my audio come outta both my internal laptop speakers and the headphone port and the mixers
[04:17] <colin_> dont work
[04:18] <wasabi> SO everytime dpkg tries to restart network manager..... my keyboard stops working
[04:18] <leku> i wonder if having automatix on here before
[04:18] <leku> fucked me over
[04:18] <wasabi> What might be up with this
[04:18] <Booh-> Jordan_U, db2langdir switch to the right language dir from autodetect lang and charset... I have the list... and I need ISO-8859-1
[04:19] <Booh-> I ... REALLY... need... to pass my OS to ISO-8859-1
[04:19] <Booh-> but UTF-8 is like a virus... you can get rid of!
[04:20] <Jordan_U> Booh-, Again, why are you asking this in #ubuntu+1 ?
[04:20] <Booh-> Jordan_U, I ask in #ubuntu+1 because nobody on other chan know... here, probably skills is better for this kind of question
[04:20] <Booh-> Nobody knows about locales
[04:20] <h1st0> !locales > Booh-
[04:20] <Booh-> nobody on ubuntu know how it works
[04:20] <Jordan_U> Booh-, So what version of Ubuntu are you using?
[04:21] <Booh-> 7.04 server
[04:21] <Booh-> And I think, there is a chance that in a chan of beta version, there will be more competent people
[04:21] <Booh-> a kind of power user...
[04:22] <NightBird> my... mouse isn't working...
[04:22] <wasabi> Yeah so restarting network manger manually does it.
[04:22] <Jordan_U> Booh-, Have you looked at the link from Ubotu?
[04:22] <Booh-> h1st0, I already try it 3 days ago... without success!
[04:22] <MTecknology> aside from the few bugs I've seen - 7.10 has been insanely awesome... I think I'm going to try to see if my issue has been reported already
[04:23] <Jordan_U> Booh-, Including the part "For Anti-UTF-8 people" ?
[04:23] <wasabi> Why would you think UTF-8 sucks? How silly.
[04:23] <Booh-> en_ca, en_us, fr_ca etc... change.  No prob.  But the fucking utf-8 always stay!!!!! even if I specify iso
[04:23] <Booh-> including this part
[04:23] <h1st0> !language | Booh-
[04:23] <ubotu> Booh-: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:24] <NightBird> whew... I managed to get it to work...
[04:25] <patrickkkkkkkkkk> hey i cant write to an external harddrive, using gusty beta.... heres my fstab http://rafb.net/p/uaMeaC41.html
[04:25] <MTecknology> how do i search launchpad for bugs?
[04:25] <wasabi> Why would you think UTF-8 sucks? How silly.
[04:25] <wasabi> OOps.
[04:26] <Jordan_U> Booh-, Have you tried IBM support?
[04:26] <tonyyarusso> haha, IBM support...
[04:26] <Jordan_U> patrickkkkkkkkkk, What FS?
[04:27] <tonyyarusso> !bugs | MTecknology
[04:27] <ubotu> MTecknology: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[04:28] <Booh-> Let me tell you something...  I adopt ubuntu and linux to have choice.  To stop Microsoft force me to do things like microsoft... and start having choice and liberty of open source software.  And now, everybody I talk in linux chans, try to convince me to switch to utf-8.  Where is my liberty?  Please... just let me use ISO and if you can help me to switch to iso ok, I will be happy.  If not, don't think your way is the only one... Microsoft
[04:28] <Booh-> think like that so you becoming too like them.
[04:29] <Jordan_U> Booh-, Except we aren't forcing you to do anything
[04:29] <Booh-> So... I don't know why ubuntu try to force people going to utf-8 instead of letting people choose... like the linux philosophy.
[04:30] <Jordan_U> Booh-, Ubuntu isn't forcing you to do anything, it just sounds like a bug.
[04:30] <Booh-> A lot of people always ask me why I want to switch... etc etc... I don't want to discuss my choice, I'm in my project since 2 weeks.  I don't want to start explaining choice since the begining... just want to swtich.  That's it.  But nobody knows...
[04:32] <Jordan_U> Booh-, Also, maybe I just have a different perspective, but it seems strange to me that someone using DB2 would be asking for community support.
[04:33] <Booh-> It's a long story..
[04:33] <Booh-> The license is bought from Accpac, accounting software.
[04:33] <Booh-> IBM doesn't give support... I have to ask Accpac.  But Accpac:
[04:34] <Booh-> 1) s...cks!  and always have an excuse to don't support.  (they prefer windows servers)
[04:34] <Jordan_U> Booh-, Would it be possible for you to use Dapper, since it is an LTS version it is probably what was certified to work with DB2, it also might not have the same bug that is preventing you from changing locales
[04:34] <Booh-> 2) I want to use Ubuntu or Debian.  But... they want Suse pro or Redhat..
[04:35] <EvanCarroll_home> seems as if volatile/nvidia.ko, was renamed to volatile/new_nvidia.ko, without symlink
[04:35] <Booh-> LTS is too old...
[04:35] <EvanCarroll_home> anyone confirm problems with amd64 and nvidia
[04:35] <Booh-> I have nvidia on my laptop amd64... run very well
[04:36] <Booh-> I dist-upgrade 6 hours ago
[04:36] <frostburn> trackerd crashing upon log bug or a feature?
[04:37] <EvanCarroll_home> I'm having critical problems, now I'm really thinking about downgrading from +1, this bulletproof X has caused me so much grief
[04:37] <EvanCarroll_home> I can't modprobe nvidia, and I get an err in Xorg.log about nvidia failing to load
[04:37] <EvanCarroll_home> nothing has changed
[04:37] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, Bulletproof X hasn't been included yet AFIK
[04:38] <EvanCarroll_home> whatever they call this annoying fallback screen that wants me to override my **custom** monitor with a plugin-play that only goes up to 800x600
[04:39] <EvanCarroll_home> the little monitor selection app, doesn't have my monitor sony multiscan 420gs, it detects the horizrefresh/vertsync right but crashes when i try it, and won't allow me to up the res without editing xorg.conf anyway.
[04:39] <Booh-> I try now to modify /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local and en
[04:39] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, Oh, maybe it has been, according to the page there is still the bug of GDM trying to start another X session and giving an ugly error
[04:39] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/BulletProofX/
[04:40] <EvanCarroll_home> the only difference between this monitor selection and app, and the old way of doing it, is the old way dropped you to a useful console and the new way just annoyingly restarts the app under xinit
[04:41] <EvanCarroll_home> the kicker, if you edit Xorg.conf you have to killall xinit, or you can't restart gdm because the screen is being used by xinit
[04:41] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, Have you tried the tool that lets you load monitor settings from a Windows driver CD ( sorry, I realize that you are having a problem but I am curious )
[04:41] <MTecknology> there we go - my first bug report ever
[04:41] <Jordan_U> MTecknology, What on ( just give the number / URL ) ?
[04:41] <EvanCarroll_home> Jordan_U: no, I throw away all of those. I like most decent geeks have my refresh rates memorized.
[04:42] <MTecknology> Jordan_U, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/147932
[04:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147932 in gnome-panel "Panel doesn't appear for first logon" [Undecided,New] 
[04:42] <EvanCarroll_home> Jordan_U: and if not I would sooner use elinks to find it than scourge through cds, it should also be noted the app does not allow custom entry of rates, it only accepts windows driver cds or the preconfigured list.
[04:43] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, Didn't realize that ( havn't got any HD space for Gutsy currently ), you should file a bug asking for an option for manually entering settings
[04:44] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, Does it still go to this error screen after about a minute ( http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/BulletProofX/100_1118.m.JPG ) if you stay in the configuration dialog?
[04:44] <MTecknology> Jordan_U, did I make a good enough bug report for that?
[04:45] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, I have been trying to hack at a solution myself for a while now and would hate to keep working if this bug has already been fixed
[04:45] <EvanCarroll_home> Jordan_U: I can't view that link, I'm using irssi on console wo/screen right now
[04:46] <EvanCarroll_home> debating on what route I want to take to get X working.
[04:46] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, Basically it (GDM ) tries to start another X session after about a minute of running the configuration dialog because GDM doesn't realize that the X is running properly already
[04:47] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, Which then gives the same error as you would get running xinit with x already running
[04:48] <Jordan_U> EvanCarroll_home, If you have a free minute please test to see if this bug is still present, it will save me a lot of time if it's already been fixed
[04:49] <foxiness> hi,on the middle of upgrading "after the fetch step" to Gutsy "the system shoutdown",then normal reboot blankscreen no fn-funcation,after that "ok there are rescue oh yes" then one dpkg --configure -a "a lot of work" Done,reboot still blank screen!,ok what is the next guys?
[04:49] <Jordan_U> Or actually, anyone running Gutsy currently willing to test something for me?
[04:49] <EvanCarroll_home> thats not what I'm expericing, I'm manually killing off xinit, and gdm before restarting init.d/gdm
[04:50] <Kr0ntab> anyone know whther network-manager-vpnc package will be upgraded beyond the current version of 0.6.4svn2422?  Or at least know where one can find out?  Or is it just a waiting game until it hits the repos and packages site?
[04:50] <MTecknology> Jordan_U, sute
[04:50] <MTecknology> sure*
[04:50] <EvanCarroll_home> I'm fairly against this implimentation. It just doesn't give with me. I've got a lot of bugs I'm experiencing across the board with gutsy.
[04:50] <crimsun> gnomefreak: RE: the esd error, I need more info.
[04:50] <EvanCarroll_home> Jordan_U: In my own experience Mergefb is *totally* borked in gutsy too.
[04:50] <EvanCarroll_home> at least with my x61s.
[04:51] <EvanCarroll_home> every time you suspend and bring it back you hard freeze on Xinput. And the stupid autoconfigure utility wants to nuke my hand crafted mergefb config
[04:51] <EvanCarroll_home> which makes me cry.
[04:52] <Jordan_U> MTecknology, foobar your xorg.conf ( and know how to restore it of course ), for instance change the driver to "thisisnotavaliddriver" then restart X, the bulletproof X tool should come up, let it sit there for ~ 2 minutes and see if you you get this error screen http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/BulletProofX/100_1118.m.JPG
[04:53] <patrickkkkkkkkkk> how can you change the trash bin icon?
[04:53] <MTecknology> Jordan_U, foobar?
[04:53] <EvanCarroll_home> i think gutsy has placed so much weight on xinerama, that people don't realize it isn't 3d acceled. which is bad in my eyes.
[04:53] <EvanCarroll_home> and the autoconf app only supports xinerama, and not mergefb/twinview
[04:53] <defcon> in gutsy my X login window, when I login is a resolution too BIG, how to adjust it
[04:53] <defcon> how do i*
[04:54] <Jordan_U> MTecknology, Change it in some way that will keep X from starting correctly, like changing the driver section from "nvidia" to "IlikeKittens" :)
[04:54] <EvanCarroll_home> better xinerama than nothing i suppose, but mergefb is bugged out in gutsy too
[04:54] <foxiness> defcon, vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:54] <nrossin> I have a bunch of videos in a folder and for some reason, I can't figure out how to make Dolphin show previews of them for the icons... how do I set that up?  Right now it just has the Kaffeine icon.
[04:54] <defcon> foxiness, ok which line
[04:54] <EvanCarroll_home> defcon: it isn't the resolution, it is the fonts, that another shitty feature of gutsy. that is the dpi independant font scaling I'm betting that you are seeing.
[04:54] <EvanCarroll_home> defcon: try appearence, fonts, advanced
[04:54] <EvanCarroll_home> or something like that.
[04:55] <MTecknology> Jordan_U, good?  Driver          "Kitties"       #"fglrx"
[04:55] <Jordan_U> MTecknology, Yup
[04:55] <Jordan_U> MTecknology, Remember to wait a minute or two, if the error screen does come up it will take a while
[04:56] <defcon> i think i found it, subsection/ virtual
[04:56] <defcon> changed it to Virtual	1280	1024
[04:56] <defcon> right?
[04:56] <EvanCarroll_home> tias
[04:56] <foxiness> if the system broken on the middle of upgrade and the x broken,how can i restore the system or continue the upgrede ?
[04:56] <defcon> brb
[04:56] <EvanCarroll_home> foxiness: apt-get -f install
[04:56] <Jordan_U> foxiness, Try "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[04:57] <riotkittie> kitties. yay.
[04:57] <Jordan_U> foxiness, Do what EvanCarroll_home said first
[04:57] <MTecknology> Jordan_U: nothing yet
[04:57] <foxiness> hi,on the middle of upgrading "after the fetch step" to Gutsy "the system shoutdown",then normal reboot blankscreen no fn-funcation,after that "ok there are rescue oh yes" then one dpkg --configure -a "a lot of work" Done,reboot still blank screen!,ok what is the next guys?
[04:57] <MTecknology> Ima go pee quick
[04:58] <foxiness> ^^^ i think the step of apt-get -f install not needed right?
[04:58] <nrossin> Is Dolphin capable of showing video previews?
[04:59] <foxiness> and if i do dist-upgrade it say need to get more than 300MB on console am on wireless network or can i ignore it?
[04:59] <MTecknology> Jordan_U: still nothing
[04:59] <Ryo> This is really annoying.  I swear Ubuntu's feature count is going down every day.  Yesterday I lost every single thing in my start menu, now all my screensavers are gone.
[04:59] <Jordan_U> MTecknology, The bug is probably already fixed then.
[05:00] <MTecknology> Jordan_U: tty1 was flickering for a bit - but nothing else
[05:00] <Jordan_U> MTecknology, Which is great, but it makes me feel like an idiot :)
[05:00] <riotkittie> if you are doing dist-upgrade, and you ignore the 300mb of files that you need... its safe to say you wont be dist-upgrading. one assumes
[05:00] <MTecknology> Jordan_U: aight - i'm heading home now :) - ttyal
[05:00] <riotkittie> Ryo: what exactly vanished from your "start menu"?
[05:01] <Ryo> riotkittle:  Application menu.  Sue me.  And every single application link is gone.
[05:01] <h1st0> I had some similiar problems iwth wine disappearing and shortcuts I created with alcarte
[05:01] <foxiness> riotkittie, can i go wireless on console "conn to access point" am using "NetworkManager=roming"
[05:01] <h1st0> Ryo: right click and edit menus make sure its checked to be visible
[05:02] <Ryo> hist0 It can't be checked to visible because it's no longer there.
[05:03] <EvanCarroll_home> Ryo: that's part of the fun that is modern gnome, you either develop it or you're lost, I think the startmenu is store in gconf2, into /usr/share but I'm not sure, I've had this problem and iirc it isn't in ~/.g*
[05:03] <riotkittie> foxiness: yes. you may  need to edit /etc/network/interfaces to manually configure your device and connection, tho
[05:03] <foxiness> Ryo, DnD from bar =add/remove=
[05:04] <npurciful> whats up everyone
[05:04] <foxiness> riotkittie, thanks a lot
[05:04] <foxiness> thanks EvanCarroll_home , Jordan_U
[05:05] <npurciful> I got a question, i once had 3 hdd in my computer (just have 2 now) hda hdb hdd well hdd use to be hda and was my root w/boot and now hda is a new 320g hdd. so i install kubuntu on the new hda install grub to hda but grub also added hdd1 to menu list under 'other'. i no long have that drive connected
[05:05] <Jordan_U> foxiness, np
[05:05] <Ryo> EvanCarroll_home  Well, thanks for for the information.  I guess I'll just try and live with it till they fix it.
[05:06] <Jordan_U> npurciful, "sudo update-grub"
[05:06] <foxiness> i have a lot of work today :) bye
[05:06] <npurciful> I have ran grub-install -recheck /dev/hda && update-grub
[05:06] <Jordan_U> npurciful, Might want to back up your /boot/grub/menu.list first though
[05:06] <Jordan_U> just in case
[05:06] <npurciful> the device.map doesnt show hdd
[05:06] <npurciful> --recheck
[05:06] <EvanCarroll_home> hah! that will never be fixed.
[05:07] <npurciful> but it still comes up with /dev/hdd1 under other
[05:07] <EvanCarroll_home> sorry, dude, random behavoir is the result of anything non-standardized, and gnome doesn't have the galls to push one static config location.
[05:08] <npurciful> using kubuntu, if it makes a diff
[05:08] <EvanCarroll_home> npurciful: does /proc/partitions
[05:09] <riotkittie> hm.  i wonder if my drivers were updated.
[05:09] <npurciful> I check uuid's & fstab for invalid entrys
[05:09] <EvanCarroll_home> hrm, now i feel stupid.
[05:10] <EvanCarroll_home> this is totally screwed up. I wish i knew more about this to file the bug report.
[05:11] <npurciful> soon myth will be freed so i cant reboot going to recover mode cd and run grub from there
[05:12] <npurciful> i mean it isnt a show stopper
[05:12] <npurciful> but a weird oddity
[05:12] <EvanCarroll_home> So I dist-upgraded again in gutsy this morning, and X wouldn't book, I figured shit, Xorg hasn't changed in years!! well that annoying gui app was of absolutely no use at all, but I dpkg-reconfigured xserver-xorg, and slammed enter a bunch -- the Windows way, -- and the damn thing started, with the nv kernel module, which tells me two things, that the error is infact in the nvidia kernel module, and that the gui-bullet proo
[05:13] <EvanCarroll_home> and of coarse the obvious difference, the generated xorg.conf went with the nv kernel module, rather than the nvidia proprietary one i had.
[05:13] <npurciful> hum, updating my self know
[05:14] <dn> ok i was doing my update but after a while it reported that it had failed
[05:14] <dn> it told me to do something dpkg *something* -a but i accidently closed the window
[05:14] <EvanCarroll_home> I wonder if the nvidia module is not compatable with my new kernel build, or if nvidia just wasn't rebuilt for this kernel, nvidia-glx, does not float with 2.6.22 in gutsy.
[05:14] <dn> however, i rebooted and i'm into gutsy and it's -working- but it didn't do the cleanup or anything
[05:14] <EvanCarroll_home> dn: dpkg-reconfigure -a
[05:14] <EvanCarroll_home> dn: that's probably a v. bad idea though.
[05:15] <dn> yea something about addusers and wotnot?
[05:15] <EvanCarroll_home> dn: it stings depending on what your verbosity is when you do it, if you have verbosity too high you can be begining hours of tedium.
[05:15] <dn> verbosity?
[05:15] <EvanCarroll_home> dn: dpkg-reconfigure -a runs post-inst scripts for all of your .debs iirc.
[05:15] <npurciful> rebooting 15min windows
[05:16] <EvanCarroll_home> dn: dpkg has different levels of verbosity, a post-inst script can set a default if the level of verbosity falls under the level required for prompt you get default. however, there could be upwards of 200 questions now in a desktop system, which is a lot of answering if you have it set.
[05:16] <EvanCarroll_home> I've made this mistake **more than once**
[05:16] <dn> yea
[05:17] <dn> as i say, it's -working- i'm just worried it didn't finish the job properly
[05:17] <EvanCarroll_home> dn: to fix the job, a better option is `apt-get -f install`
[05:17] <dn> isn't there a way of 'redoing'  update-manager -c -d
[05:17] <EvanCarroll_home> which will just bring your system to a stable state if it can.
[05:17] <EvanCarroll_home> I don't use update-manager, I find it provides a more rocky update most of the time then the time-tested apt-get
[05:18] <EvanCarroll_home> however, most of the functionality is now across the board to the libapt frontends.
[05:18] <dn> what did you do, put the gutsy repos in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[05:18] <EvanCarroll_home> precisely.
[05:18] <EvanCarroll_home> open it in vim and :%s/feisty/gutsy/g
[05:19] <dn> is there any way i can manually (quickly preferably of course) do the 'cleanup' that update manager would have provided?
[05:19] <EvanCarroll_home> del the automatix and -backports if you have them too
[05:19] <EvanCarroll_home> dn: manually is bad with package manager. try an apt-get -f install in shell
[05:20] <dn> doing it now.. it's removing 450mb~ of files
[05:20] <EvanCarroll_home> =] 
[05:28] <npurciful> that didnt change anything
[05:34] <npurciful> what is the definition of bug
[05:35] <npurciful> the software doesnt behave as intended
[05:36] <|neon|> have anyone tried crossover with gutsy , it will install but no menus are created
[05:39] <EvanCarroll_home> npurciful: be more descriptive..
[05:40] <npurciful> huh?
[05:40] <EvanCarroll_home> what "didn't change anything" and what do you want to happen?
[05:41] <npurciful> oh the grub-install from rescue system menu
[05:41] <npurciful> on installer cd
[05:42] <EvanCarroll_home> how did it not work?
[05:42] <EvanCarroll_home> grub-install /dev/hda
[05:42] <EvanCarroll_home> or whatever you've got.
[05:42] <npurciful> hdd is still showing up in my menu.lst,
[05:43] <EvanCarroll_home> is removing it from the menu.lst manually not an option?
[05:43] <npurciful> we just talk for like 20min about this
[05:43] <EvanCarroll_home> ah
[05:43] <EvanCarroll_home> well then feel free to ignore me, I didn't backlog it =[
[05:43] <npurciful> ah it is ok, there is 240 peeps in here
[05:45] <npurciful> I thought that if i took the OS envirment away maybe it wouldnt find this mythical hdd anymore but i was wrong
[05:45] <EvanCarroll_home> do check out update-grub if you haven't it has docs on how it automagically gens your menu.lst
[05:45] <npurciful> yeah, i update-grub
[05:46] <EvanCarroll_home> does hdd show up in /proc/partitions?
[05:48] <npurciful> cat /proc/partitions nope not there
[05:51] <Fracture> is there any way to tell update-grub that kernel and initrd images aren't in /boot, but in some other folder ?
[05:51] <jscinoz> Hey guys, is there an easy way to tell if ACPI is functioning correctly on my laptop, i've heard that ACPI may not be controlling the GPU fan on this laptop which could result in problems
[05:52] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: I want to say no, and shout at you that it is considered a feature.
[05:53] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: /boot isn't something Ubuntu made up, it a standard in the LFH and a long standard for LSB compliancy
[05:54] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: move /boot to point to wherever your images are, but the images must be in /boot.
[05:54] <EvanCarroll_home> jscinoz: yes, fuck with /proc/acpi
[05:54] <Amaranth> !ohmy
[05:54] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:54] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: hrm.. that's unfortunate.   I have a guts and fiesty installation, both with root partitions on LVM.  I have a single ext3 boot partition.  fiesty and gutsy update-grub can cause issues with eachothers kernels.. so I separate out them into folders of this boot partitiion.
[05:55] <Fracture> for example on gutsy : mount my boot partition on /media/boot then symlink /media/boot/gutsy (where the kernel and initrd are) to /boot
[05:55] <h1st0> Just curious if people have been experiencing random lockups with gutsy?
[05:56] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: that requires a little more explaination about your lvm config
[05:56] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: you have both roots, point to the same lvg?
[05:56] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: nothing to do with lvm config
[05:57] <Fracture> I have /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-fiesty and /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-gutsy as the separate root partitions for each install
[05:58] <Fracture> /dev/sda1 is my boot partition, and it is mounted for both feisty and gutsy at /media/boot.  it contents is like this :
[05:58] <Fracture>  /grub /feisty-boot /gutsy-boot
[05:59] <EvanCarroll_home> so why not just /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-fiesty/boot, and /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-gutsy/boot, and set up grub to boot off of the lvm
[05:59] <Fracture>  /grub contains a menu.list with this :title   Feisty \n configfile /feisty-boot/grub/menu.lst \n \n title Gutsy 5  \n  configfile /gutsy-boot/grub/menu.lst
[06:00] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: from what I could gather, grub can't boot from lvm
[06:00] <EvanCarroll_home> I follow you totally, I'm just not sure why you have a single ext3 boot partition outside of the lvm =[
[06:00] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: I'm 99.9% certain that is incorrect.
[06:01] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: You will have to either use a ram-image or statically compile the lvm modules into the kernel, but I would think it could be done.
[06:01] <Fracture> hrm.. ok.. well.. I would prefer each installation's root fs to contain its own /boot folderto have
[06:01] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: hrm. now, how would I go about doing that ?
[06:01] <EvanCarroll_home> I agree fully, that is the most kosher way to do it
[06:01] <Fracture> I read somewhere that grub2 will support booting of lvm
[06:02] <Fracture> but, information about grub2 is hard to find
[06:02] <EvanCarroll_home> I'm going to google, because I'm interested too.
[06:02] <Marfi> after installing gutsy, the menu in my "applicaitons" menu bar has disapeared. anyone have this problem?
[06:03] <Marfi> or have any diea how to fix it?
[06:03] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: cool.. let me know if you find something
[06:03] <jscinoz> Hey guys, im trying to get sensors-applet to read the temperature from the GPU, i can see this temp in nvidia-settings, but it doesnt appear as an option in sensors-applet, however gkrellm can see it just fine as GPU_C any ideas?
[06:03] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: google lvm boot grub, second link
[06:03] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: possible since 1.95
[06:03] <riotkittie> yen nobe peopre ace dawitf that probelm. no, i dote know how to fix it.
[06:04] <EvanCarroll_home> I'm not as concerned with how it is done, good luck on that =]  I imagine much like raid, which is as i said.
[06:04] <riotkittie> i'm not even going to attempt to retype that. :|
[06:04] <Marfi> im thinking "dang, they are drunk"
[06:05] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home:  Multiple volume groups don't work with GRUB 1.95 however.
[06:05] <riotkittie> no, i'm sober. just sitting at a bad angle :x and my hands were somehow off. :x
[06:05] <Marfi> never would of guessed
[06:05] <riotkittie> hee.
[06:06] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: csv co grub
[06:06] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: lol
[06:06] <Marfi> anyone have an idea about how to redo the menus under the application menu?
[06:06] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: that article is from 8/11 chances are those patches are outside of -dev now.
[06:06] <Fracture> yeah, i'll try with gutsy's grub - 0.97-29ubuntu4
[06:07] <EvanCarroll_home> Marfi: it is a pita, I've raised this issue on numerious occassions with everyone.
[06:07] <Marfi> EvanCarroll_home, is there a fix for it though?
[06:07] <EvanCarroll_home> Marfi: there is a gconf-editor command that will do it, I just forget it.
[06:07] <EvanCarroll_home> Marfi: This is partly because gnome has no logical organization.
[06:08] <Marfi> EvanCarroll_home, hehe  =)
[06:08] <EvanCarroll_home> Marfi: the setting iirc is not in your home dir, it is somewhere distant, and gconf-editor doesn't even have documented the flag you need to get this to work
[06:08] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: I've tried "grub-install /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-gutsy--tribe--5" and I get "/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-gutsy--tribe--5 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive."
[06:08] <Creationist> I'm running Kubunty Gutsy.  If I had problems with nvidia-glx-new (the automatically installed driver), would it be worth trying nvidia-glx?
[06:09] <EvanCarroll_home> Marfi: essentially gnome has a registry like windows, (and soon .net), and like windows, there is little to no logical orgnaization to it, you have environmental variables, /etc/defaults, ~/.gconf ~/.gnome2, and numerious directories in /usr/* iirc and they all cascade for the defaults of gnome.
[06:10] <EvanCarroll_home> the one you speak of is surely in a gconf setting somewhere in a global directory, iirc.
[06:11] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: grub-install iirc, installs to mba on a hw device only. this is something I honestly don't have as much exp on as i should.
[06:11] <Marfi> EvanCarroll_home, i think i get it. when it didn't come up, someone had me run "rm -rf ~/.config/menus" or something like that. the file was empty before then, of course
[06:11] <Marfi> then tried to reinstall gnome-menus
[06:11] <EvanCarroll_home> grub is a chained bootloader, grub in /boot, can chain to another grub on lvm, or you can have grub in boot list both of the kernels in lvm, with the args telling the kernel what to mount as root.
[06:12] <EvanCarroll_home> so it might look something like this kernel=2.6.22-foobarbaz root=/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-gutsy lvm or such
[06:12] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: yeah, I understand all of that.. and I have a setup that works, but whenever update-grub runs after an apt-get update, I have to manually edit the generated menu.lst file to change some bits.
[06:13] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: you might have to tell grub to stop automagically borking your system.
[06:13] <EvanCarroll_home> see /etc/defaults on the lvms.
[06:13] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: what happens then if the apt-get update upgrades the kernel, then I will have to manually upgrade menu.lst
[06:13] <EvanCarroll_home> or chmod the menu.lst and don't allow +w
[06:14] <EvanCarroll_home> Fracture: you're asking for something that is kind of esoteric ;( you might not get your cake and eat it too on this one. I'm not sure, I don't make a hobby out of lvm and grub.
[06:14] <rafael__> hello
[06:15] <rafael__> is it possible to upgrade my ubuntu feisty fawn to ubuntu gutsy with the iso cd ?
[06:15] <rafael__> please
[06:15] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: well. it shouldn't be esoteric to have 2 or more linux installations using lvm, without having to have separate non lvm boot partitions for them all.
[06:15] <rafael__> ok
[06:15] <rafael__> thank u
[06:16] <Fracture> so, either grub (and related tools) needs to work with boot on lvm, or it needs to support having multipls 'kernel sets' on a single ext3 boot partition
[06:16] <EvanCarroll_home> I wouldn't think so, but I've seen more trival operations that I'm sure have required a more complex configuration than the one you're facing
[06:17] <Viroo> hi
[06:17] <EvanCarroll_home> if update-grub doesn't recurse into lvms I wouldn't expect a simple solution.
[06:17] <Viroo> can anyone see me ?
[06:17] <EvanCarroll_home> Viroo: nope.
[06:17] <cdm10> Has anyone had any problems with Samba in Gutsy?
[06:19] <contrast83> This || close to having a completely smooth-looking boot in Gutsy. :-D
[06:19] <Viroo> I faced a problem with installer of gusty beta
[06:19] <Viroo> is the installer buggy?  it stops at the gparted without responding
[06:19] <cdm10> Viroo: It may well be buggy, it's a beta.
[06:19] <cdm10> !alternate | Viroo
[06:20] <Viroo> it stops while scanning disks , reaches 53%, then keeps waiting forver
[06:20] <HugLeo> teste
[06:20] <ubotu> Viroo: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal
[06:20] <Viroo> I didnt see the alternate when i wanted to download the cd
[06:21] <Viroo> I always liked the alternate better
[06:22] <cps1966> !fsck
[06:22] <ubotu> fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[06:22] <Creationist> I need to get the proprietary nVidia drivers working.  The nvidia-glx-new completely screws up my resolution and nvidia-glx gives a lot of errors when I run glxinfo.  Anyone have any ideas what I can try next?
[06:23] <Marfi> got an error message!  =) "failed loading - applications.menu"
[06:23] <HugLeo> part
[06:24] <Marfi> anyone know how i can recover the options that were under my application menu?
[06:24] <cps1966> Marfi:  nkde or gnome
[06:24] <Marfi> gnome
[06:25] <cps1966> if you delete gnome2 dir in home it should return to normal
[06:26] <contrast83> won't that delete all his other gnome-related preferences as well?
[06:26] <kyja> it appears that my ati mobility radion x600 over clocks and kills my computer. just like plug gets pulled. runs the cpu cyles up high. I have a 3.4 ghz p4 with that hyper threading like it has two cpu's. I have tried this with both non restricted graphics drivers and also the restricted ati driver.
[06:26] <mikubuntu> help... anybody else having the problems with screen that i have since doing upgrade to gutsy?  split screen, two cursors, etc... ?
[06:26] <cps1966> yes
[06:27] <contrast83> i thought gnome used ~/.config/menus for its menus, but i'm on kde so i can't say for sure.
[06:27] <mikubuntu> cpsl: so what's the fix?
[06:27] <cps1966> i dont have gnome atm so i cant say
[06:28] <Creationist> I need to get the proprietary nVidia drivers working.  The nvidia-glx-new completely screws up my resolution and nvidia-glx gives a lot of errors when I run glxinfo.  Anyone have any ideas what I can try next?
[06:28] <mikubuntu> i thought the developers would have got a handle on it and fixed through updates, but not yet ...
[06:28] <cps1966> i have my own problems with second sata controler
[06:28] <contrast83> Creationist: what card?
[06:28] <Marfi> cps1966, completely remove the gnome2 directory?
[06:29] <kyja> mikubuntu, have you tried the screen and graphics control pannel? that handles multiheaded screens
[06:29] <cps1966> i would or rename it
[06:29] <contrast83> Marfi: see if ~/.config/menus exists first. if it does, try deleting that first.
[06:30] <Marfi> contrast83, the folder exists, yes
[06:30] <contrast83> Marfi: does it look like it's the one that was changed by whatever you did?
[06:30] <cps1966> just rename it
[06:31] <Marfi> contrast83, there is nothing showing up when i click the applications
[06:31] <Creationist> contrast83: It's an nVidia Geforce 6200
[06:31] <mikubuntu> kyja: ya, i've tried all the screen control areas i could find ... :(
[06:31] <Marfi> renamed it, re-applied the applet, and nothing happened
[06:32] <Marfi> contrast83, what do you mean?
[06:32] <cps1966> Marfi:  restartxserver
[06:32] <Marfi> kk
[06:33] <contrast83> Creationist: you *could* try manually installing the driver from nVidia's site.
[06:33] <Marfi> nada. =/
[06:33] <Creationist> contrast83: Hmm... I had to do that back with Edgy
[06:34] <Marfi> any more ideas?
[06:35] <contrast83> Creationist: i've had to do that a couple times. seems my card is picky about what packages it'll cozy up to.
[06:35] <Creationist> okay... brb
[06:35] <cps1966> Marfi:  what exactly is missing
[06:36] <Marfi> cps1966, on the menu bar, everything under "applications" is gone. the things under place and system are all there
[06:36] <skinnypuppy1334> Anyone successfully remote gnome-session through ssh? I can ssh -X to another lan ubuntu and run single programs no prob. I want to be able to use all 3lan p/c's from one location with f2 f5 f12 etc.
[06:37] <Marfi> cps1966, when i click applications, it will show up a small box like there was never anything there to begin with
[06:37] <cps1966> maybe right click it and see what it says
[06:37] <skinnypuppy1334> I had tried pretty much everything mentioned in this thread but to no avail.
[06:37] <skinnypuppy1334> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=544567&highlight=ssh+gnome-session
[06:37] <Marfi> right click, edit menus, "starting main menu," and closes right back out
[06:38] <cps1966> edit menu
[06:38] <skinnypuppy1334> Gutsy Fiesty and dapper one of each all openssh
[06:38] <Marfi> i was able to get an error message, "failure loading - applications.menu"
[06:39] <Marfi> i did, right clicked it, edit menu, said "starting menu" and it closed while loading
[06:39] <cps1966> then you need task gnome
[06:39] <Marfi> cps1966, how do i go about getting that?
[06:40] <cps1966> synaptic
[06:40] <cps1966> just open a terminal or alt f1
[06:40] <Marfi> what is the name of the package? task gnome?
[06:41] <cps1966> i think so
[06:41] <Marfi> not there. only thing is "tasks" which is a scheduler. didn't see it under "gnome tasks" either
[06:42] <DanaG> bug 121833
[06:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[06:42] <DanaG> And what's worse, I now have to press my brightness keys FIVE times between brightness levels.
[06:43] <cps1966> oh ok ubuntu-desktop
[06:43] <Marfi> cps1966, holy hell, how was it not installed on my computer? lol
[06:44] <cps1966> its the meta package that installs all gnome goodies
[06:45] <cps1966> updating sometimes takes things out and dont replace them
[06:46] <cps1966> Marfi:  i use to many distros also
[06:47] <Marfi> cps1966, i also have ubuntustudio on here for looks, because it gives the taskbar a nice effect. thats what the problem was. thx a ton! *continues reinstalling(
[06:47] <cps1966> np
[06:48] <Marfi> cps1966, how many different versions of ubuntu are there? lol
[06:48] <cps1966> mint is one
[06:48] <cps1966> and about 7 others
[06:49] <Fracture> EvanCarroll_home: I found a solution - I patch update-grub by changing kernel_dir from /boot to /gutsy-5-boot - this is the variable it uses to write the kernel and initrd lines to menu.lst.
[06:51] <contrast83> mint isn't a version of ubuntu anymore than ubuntu is a version of debian. they're forks.
[06:51] <contrast83> err, derivatives.
[06:51] <cps1966> funny it use ubuntu repositories
[06:52] <contrast83> along with its own, i believe.
[06:52] <cps1966> nope
[06:52] <cps1966> just ubuntu
[06:53] <contrast83> erm... so the packages that contain all the mint artwork are in ubuntu's repos?
[06:53] <cps1966> maybe or on install cd
[06:54] <contrast83> hmm... last time i tried out mint, there *were* at least a couple non-ubuntu repositories in the default sources.list. my mistake, if that's changed since then.
[06:55] <Hobbsee> cps1966: uh?  mint doesnt have it's stuff in our repos.
[06:56] <cps1966> hey i didn't say it did
[06:56] <cps1966> its just a art work is all
[06:57] <Hobbsee> cps1966: last i checked, even the mint artwork isnt in our repos
[06:57] <cps1966> or theme
[06:57] <Hobbsee> (or else, i need to stop rejecting mint bugs, and send them elsewhere)
[06:58] <cps1966> Hobbsee:  when is fsck going to be fixed
[06:58] <Hobbsee> cps1966: when someone fixes it.
[06:58] <contrast83> heh
[06:59] <cps1966> is that going to happen before release
[07:04] <DanaG> my bug: bug 121833
[07:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[07:05] <mon^rch> any luck installing vmware on gutsy folks?
[07:06] <Hobbsee> mon^rch: server? player?  workstation?
[07:06] <chotchki> hey guys, i just updated my gusty install for amd64... and kdeinit and kdm are all kinds of broken
[07:06] <mon^rch> workstation 6
[07:06] <Hobbsee> chotchki: more info?
[07:06] <chotchki>  anyone else seeing this issue? (im getting some kind of core bus error)
[07:07] <chotchki> Hobbsee: im trying to track down the exact error
[07:07] <chotchki> but ive been seeing it on an off with other programs in the last week
[07:07] <HealthyElijah> chotchki: did u use iso?
[07:08] <HealthyElijah> image on cd?
[07:08] <chotchki> HealthyElijah: nope, ive been slowly following gutsy since the branch occured
[07:09] <HealthyElijah> A developer was in another channle earlier and said not to update o Gutsy it will break things
[07:10] <alka_trash> since upgrading to gutsy I have not been able to disable irc login and outs with pidgin.  I can't freaking find the setting. I have enabled IRC helper, but I can't  find it.  please help me on this EASY issue. Thanks
[07:10] <HealthyElijah> He suggested using a ISO
[07:10] <jmg_> an
[07:10] <HealthyElijah> I read another report that a upgrade went bad and the user was forcsed to do a clean install
[07:11] <HealthyElijah> alka_trash: I have been trying to do that for 1 month. What was the command in the first place? Everyone I ever asked on IRC said I couldn't.
[07:11] <chotchki> yuck, that will be painful
[07:11] <chotchki> (xfs soft-raid)
[07:11] <KalEl> hi, while trying to upgrade from 7.04, my installation stops
[07:12] <chotchki> serves me right though
[07:12] <KalEl> i believe this file is not in the server: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-security/universe/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz2
[07:12] <KalEl> can i somehow still try to install? may be somehow can i specify a mirror...?
[07:13] <HealthyElijah> alka_trash: was there ever a setting?
[07:13] <alka_trash> HealthyElijah:  you have to install the pidgin plugin pack
[07:13] <HealthyElijah> hmm
[07:13] <DanaG> I hate having to press my brightness key 3 times to get the next brightness level.
[07:13] <alka_trash> and it add IRC helper, and it lets you suppress the login. logout messages
[07:14] <alka_trash> but I can't find the setting :(
[07:15] <HealthyElijah> thanks
[07:16] <philip> anyone having trouble with KTorrent?
[07:21] <contrast83> not i. what's the problem?
[07:22] <alka_trash> I found it!
[07:22] <jscinoz__> hey guys
[07:22] <alka_trash> install the pidgin plugin pak, then under plugins it's now called Join/Part Hiding
[07:22] <alka_trash> done  :)
[07:23] <jscinoz__> What is the max idle temp a nvidia GPU in a laptop should have?
[07:25] <shiznit> anyone use a dock app?
[07:25] <jscinoz__> Yes shiznit, i use avant-window-navigator
[07:25] <shiznit> is it good
[07:25] <jscinoz__> Yes, best dock in my opinion
[07:25] <shiznit> runs on gutsy?
[07:26] <jscinoz__> yep
[07:26] <jscinoz__> if you give me a sec
[07:26] <jscinoz__> i can get you repos for i
[07:26] <jscinoz__> it
[07:26] <shiznit> sure
[07:27] <jscinoz__> deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42 gutsy all
[07:28] <jscinoz__> deb-src http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42 gutsy all
[07:28] <shiznit> i add those to the main repo list?
[07:28] <jscinoz__> yeah, /etc/apt/sources.list
[07:28] <jscinoz__> just shove those lines at the bottom
[07:28] <jscinoz__> and do an apt-get update
[07:29] <contrast83> "# echo 'deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42 gutsy all' >> /etc/apt/sources.list" - is that considered unsafe?
[07:30] <shiznit> i got some no public key available error
[07:30] <jscinoz__> ah hang on
[07:30] <jscinoz__> let me find you key
[07:31] <jscinoz__> gimme a few mins, gotta open firefox - startup session of 200+ tabs >_<
[07:31] <shiznit> lol
[07:31] <shiznit> u better have your tab bar on the side for that
[07:31] <jscinoz__> what was that command again contrast? gpg --keyserver something --recv something
[07:31] <jscinoz__> hehe
[07:32] <jscinoz__> good thing i have 4gb of ram, or 3.5gb as 32bit ubuntu sees it
[07:32] <contrast83> jscinoz__: i just do "wget http://key.url -O- | apt-key add -"
[07:32] <shiznit> yea i hata that limitatio, on my desktop it only sees 3.2
[07:32] <jscinoz__> yeah but i gotta find the url for the key
[07:32] <shiznit> damn 8800gtx stealing my ram
[07:32] <jscinoz__> wait theres an easier way..
[07:32] <shiznit> i should kick it
[07:33] <contrast83> ohh... not sure.
[07:33] <jscinoz__> i had it written down in a file somewhere....
[07:33] <contrast83> shiznit: i'll take that off your hands. you can have my 7600gs. :-P
[07:33] <jscinoz__> shiznit, what is the key it asks for when you apt-get update
[07:33] <shiznit> lol
[07:33] <jscinoz__> it should be an 8-16 hex code
[07:33] <shiznit>  NO_PUBKEY 576856718434D43A
[07:33] <jscinoz__> alright one sec
[07:34] <jscinoz__> gah firefox is taking its time
[07:34] <jscinoz__> this many tabs = bad
[07:34] <jscinoz__> any time now...
[07:34] <shiznit> opera 9.5 is crazy fast
[07:34] <contrast83> jscinoz__: i think firefox has a command line option for starting a new session
[07:35] <jscinoz__> probably. but ohwell
[07:35] <jscinoz__> shiznit, you start opera with over 200 tabs see how long it takes :P
[07:35] <contrast83> http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42/8434D43A.gpg
[07:35] <jscinoz__> fine then
[07:35] <jscinoz__> beat me too it :P
[07:35] <jscinoz__> to*
[07:35] <contrast83> so "wget -q http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42/8434D43A.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -"
[07:37] <contrast83> anyone know of a gutsy repo for kiba-dock?
[07:37] <shiznit> says soemthing about a virtual package and that i need to explicitly select
[07:37] <jscinoz__> a quick way to do it if you cant find the key easily is: "gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv KEYHASH && gpg --export --armor KEYHASH | sudo apt-key add -"
[07:38] <jscinoz__> shiznit, try the package avant-window-navigator
[07:38] <jscinoz__> should get the deps
[07:38] <shiznit> i did
[07:38] <contrast83> replace KEYHASH with the key's filename, right?
[07:38] <shiznit> its says Package avant-window-navigator is a virtual package provided by:
[07:38] <shiznit>   avant-window-navigator-bzr 0.1.2-bzr121-1
[07:38] <shiznit> You should explicitly select one to install.
[07:38] <shiznit> E: Package avant-window-navigator has no installation candidate
[07:38] <contrast83> sudo apt-get install avant-window-navigator-bzr
[07:39] <jscinoz__> yes
[07:39] <jscinoz__> oh yeah it is the bzr one :P
[07:40] <shiznit> ok what now
[07:40] <jscinoz__> install that package
[07:40] <shiznit> i did
[07:40] <jscinoz__> then run "avant-window-navigator"
[07:41] <jscinoz__> it should appear
[07:41] <jscinoz__> you need to be running a composite window manager
[07:41] <jscinoz__> eg compiz :P
[07:41] <shiznit> i am
[07:41] <shiznit> but i got error message
[07:41] <jscinoz__> saying?
[07:41] <shiznit> a motherload of stuff
[07:42] <shiznit> i probably need to pastebin it, i tried installing cairo before this and it might have messed up something
[07:42] <shiznit> i though i got rid of everything
[07:42] <jscinoz__> hmm
[07:42] <jscinoz__> pastebin it
[07:43] <jscinoz__> in the meantime... is it possible to override the package version created with dpkg-buildpackage
[07:43] <contrast83> can't you just "aptitude purge" it?
[07:43] <jscinoz__> nah
[07:44] <jscinoz__> im making a patched sensors-applet
[07:44] <jscinoz__> but update-manager tries to replace it with normal one
[07:44] <jscinoz__> so i need to add something to its version
[07:44] <shiznit> http://pastebin.com/m564454af
[07:45] <jscinoz__> well shit
[07:45] <jscinoz__> No idea whats causing that
[07:45] <shiznit> maybe the apt-get autoremove i did? it said to do it lol
[07:45] <jscinoz__> hmm
[07:45] <jscinoz__> not sure...
[07:46] <contrast83> jscinoz__: ohh, i misunderstood. so you want to hold sensors-applet at its current version, right?
[07:46] <jscinoz__> yes, and without using the lock version thing
[07:47] <shiznit> is there a log of all package installations, so i can see what that cairo-dock .deb added
[07:47] <mikubuntu> anybody have a fix for the gutsy screen problems yet?
[07:47] <contrast83> jscinoz__: the lock version think in Synaptic?
[07:48] <jscinoz__> Thats my last resort, im planning on distributing the package so i need it to think its higher than 1.7.12+dfsg, maybe add a +nv to the end of the version
[07:48] <jscinoz__> shiznit, not sure, if there is it might be in /var/cache/apt
[07:48] <contrast83> shiznit: how did you install it?
[07:48] <shiznit> i dowloaded the .deb and double clicked
[07:49] <contrast83> hmm... anyone know what backend that uses?
[07:49] <contrast83> jscinoz__: why'd you run awn as root? -_~
[07:49] <jscinoz__> i didnt
[07:49] <jscinoz__> you mean shiznit
[07:50] <contrast83> oop, sorry. heh
[07:50] <jscinoz__> shiznit, run avant-window-navigator without sudo
[07:50] <jscinoz__> see if it works then
[07:50] <shiznit> ok lol
[07:50] <shiznit> that woks now
[07:50] <shiznit> <-nub
[07:51] <contrast83> just FWI, *never* run any GUI apps with sudo. always use gksu or kdesudo instead
[07:51] <contrast83> FYI*
[07:51] <shiznit> ok will do, thanks for all the help
[07:51] <contrast83> np
[07:52] <shiznit> can i add shortcut icons to this
[07:52] <shiznit> oh ok "lauchers"
[07:52] <shiznit> i see it
[07:52] <contrast83> shiznit: should be able to just drag and drop from the applications menu
[07:52] <jscinoz__> yep
[07:53] <jscinoz__> Avant is awesome
[07:53] <jscinoz__> and theres a whole bunch of plugins you can get to add features
[07:53] <jscinoz__> like a curved dock and other cool stuff
[07:53] <jscinoz__> like integration with pidgin
[07:53] <contrast83> i would be using Avant instead of Kiba, but it seems Kiba plays slightly better with KDE.
[07:53] <shiznit> i need this so i can get rid of one of the bars,
[07:54] <shiznit> need my vertical realestate
[07:55] <jscinoz__> doesnt the panel take up less verticale space than the dock...
[07:55] <shiznit> not if you autohide, i just need it for launchers
[07:55] <shiznit> can you move it to the top
[07:58] <jscinoz__> hang on
[07:58] <jscinoz__> probably, you might need a plugin
[07:58] <shiznit> the spotlight effect is sweet
[07:58] <contrast83> if not, you *can* move Kiba-Dock to the top. there's not a Gutsy repo for it yet, but Trevino's Feisty one is working fine for me so far.
[07:59] <jscinoz__> i m not running compiz or anything 3d atm as ACPI is being a bitch about running my GPU's fans
[07:59] <shiznit> acpi has contol of gpu fan?
[07:59] <jscinoz__> apparently it should
[08:00] <jscinoz__> this is a laptop btw
[08:00] <shiznit> ok
[08:00] <contrast83> afaik, acpi controls everything power/cooling-related
[08:00] <jscinoz__> my GPU seems to overheat, the screen scrambles and the system hangs
[08:00] <shiznit> it probably one fan for gpu and cpu,
[08:00] <shiznit> with heatpipes from both
[08:01] <fignew> jscinoz__: what type of vidcard?
[08:01] <jscinoz__> contrast83, figured out how to ovverride version, add a new entry in pkgsrc/debian/changlog
[08:02] <jscinoz__> fignew, 8400M GS
[08:02] <mikubuntu> does anybody know where tomboy notes are stored by default?
[08:02] <fignew> nvidia?
[08:02] <jscinoz__> yep
[08:02] <fignew> binary drivers?
[08:03] <shiznit> brb
[08:03] <mikubuntu> does anybody know where tomboy notes are stored by default?
[08:04] <jscinoz__> fignew, yes
[08:04] <fignew> jscinoz__: install nvidia_settings
[08:04] <jscinoz__> its installed
[08:04] <fignew> sorry, nvidia-settings
[08:04] <jscinoz__> well, the one contained in the nvidia-glx-new package
[08:04] <fignew> and that'll give you the temperature
[08:05] <fignew> of your GPU... ACPI has nothing to do with the GPU fans
[08:05] <contrast83> jscinoz__: oh ok. the only packages i've "made" were with checkinstall. i want to learn how to make real packages, but i don't even know enough about make to do that yet. :-\
[08:06] <jscinoz__> fignew, what causes the problem where on heavy load for extended periods of time the screen becomes scrambled and my system hangs? overheating?
[08:06] <jscinoz__> contrast83, install the package epm, good way to build packages easily
[08:06] <fignew> does nvidia-settings say it's running hot?
[08:06] <jscinoz__> fignew, 70C at idle
[08:06] <jscinoz__> not running compiz or anything 3d
[08:06] <contrast83> jscinoz__: standards-compliant packages?
[08:06] <jscinoz__> contrast83, not sure
[08:06] <shiznit> damn dude, my 8800gtx idles at 60
[08:07] <fignew> yea, 70 is pretty hot
[08:07] <jscinoz__> yeah but i'm on a laptop
[08:07] <jscinoz__> for a laptop?
[08:07] <shiznit> i know but it still seems hot
[08:07] <fignew> well *70* is fine, but mine goes up 20c under load
[08:07] <fignew> and 90c isn't good ;)
[08:08] <shiznit> speaking of nvidia, the only way i could get the 8800gtx to work with fiesy was Envy, i had to use vesa until that script installed the driver
[08:08] <shiznit> i tried nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-new, and the binary, nothing worked
[08:08] <jscinoz__> hmm
[08:09] <jscinoz__> i'm going to start a game and crank it up to max detail and see what temp gets to
[08:09] <shiznit> it would "failed to initialize, no screens found every time
[08:09] <jscinoz__> and run compiz at the same time
[08:09] <fignew> that's not that stressful for the card
[08:10] <jscinoz__> alright, running compiz + awn, starting a game to see temp rise
[08:10] <jscinoz__> it rose 5C from compiz + awn
[08:11] <jscinoz__> ~85C at load, is that ok fignew
[08:11] <jscinoz__> fignew, what would be a way to max load the card?
[08:11] <jscinoz__> is there anything like 3dsmax for linux?
[08:12] <bur[n] er> blender does 3d stuff, but i know nothing if it's like 3dsmax
[08:12] <jscinoz__> what would put the heaviest load on the card?
[08:12] <jscinoz__> compiz-fusion + avant-window navigator + savage on full detail (25fps) rose the temp to 85C
[08:12] <fignew> glxgears seems to heat my card up alittle
[08:12] <fignew> you play savage?
[08:13] <contrast83> load up several visualizers at once?
[08:13] <jscinoz__> yes
[08:13] <fignew> me too :)
[08:13] <shiznit> 85 isnt bad
[08:13] <shiznit> i wouldnt worry about it
[08:13] <jscinoz__> glxgears is hovering around 82-85
[08:13] <shiznit> they dont throttle til like 110
[08:13] <fignew> savage will do it, in the middle of the game just alt tab and see what your temperature is
[08:14] <fignew> what's your name on savage, I'm yoyoyo :)
[08:14] <jscinoz__> still kinda freaked out before when a good deal of pixels became white and my system hung, that happened on my old one and it fried the GPU
[08:14] <jscinoz__> fignew, name jscinoz, but i only play on australian servers because of ping
[08:14] <shiznit> savage?
[08:14] <jscinoz__> fignew, Usually Gameareana #1 or 2
[08:14] <jscinoz__> savage = awesome free game
[08:14] <jscinoz__> by the way
[08:14] <jscinoz__> i made a deb of savage
[08:14] <fignew> ok
[08:14] <jscinoz__> anyone want it?
[08:14] <jscinoz__> holy fuck
[08:15] <jscinoz__> GPU at 93C
[08:15] <jscinoz__> from glxgears
[08:15] <penguincentral> !language | jscinoz__
[08:15] <ubotu> jscinoz__: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[08:15] <contrast83> what kinda game is savage?
[08:15] <jscinoz__> sorry
[08:15] <jscinoz__> FPS/RTS
[08:15] <jscinoz__> is 93C safe?
[08:15] <shiznit> thats getting close to bad
[08:15] <shiznit> i wouldnt go past 100
[08:15] <shiznit> they throttle at 105-110 i believe
[08:15] <fignew> jscinoz__: I was talking to you on savage IRC right?
[08:15] <contrast83> jscinoz__: do you have it on a site?
[08:15] <jscinoz__> possibly
[08:16] <jscinoz__> contrast83_, www.notforidiots.com/SFE
[08:16] <contrast83> heh, nice url
[08:16] <jscinoz__> yep
[08:16] <jscinoz__> if you give me about 30mins i can upload a deb to my site
[08:17] <shiznit> is this a rts?
[08:17] <jscinoz__> not really
[08:17] <jscinoz__> only one player plays as RTS
[08:17] <jscinoz__> rest of team plays as FPS with some rts elements
[08:18] <contrast83> sounds interesting. i'll check back in here ~30 minutes. i'm off for now.
[08:18] <contrast83> later
[08:18] <jscinoz__> what was that site starting with ppa.something that people could host repos on?
[08:19] <jscinoz__> ah ppa.launchpad.net
[08:20] <shiznit> could you guys help me out with a audio stream problem, im new to linuc
[08:21] <shiznit> whoa raytraced weather?
[08:23] <AmyRose> Are there any plans to package the Compiz Fusion tray icon for the benefit of those of us who aren't using GNOME?
[08:24] <jscinoz__> Wait, savage weather is raytraced?
[08:25] <shiznit> that what the site says
[08:26] <shiznit> the enhancements site
[08:31] <jimmacdonald> did an upgrade on my Kubuntu Gutsy laptop tonight and now can't get it back to a desktop. can someone help?
[08:31] <DanaG> my bug: bug 121833
[08:31] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/121833
[08:31] <tonyyarusso> shiznit: which site?  I know the NWS was switching today.
[08:31] <shiznit> ?
[08:32] <tonyyarusso> shiznit: the weather thing
[08:32] <kurros> jscinoz__: that looks cool
[08:32] <jscinoz__> Anyone happen to know what license wolfenstien:enemy territory is under?
[08:32] <shiznit> http://www.notforidiots.com/SFE/
[08:33] <tonyyarusso> shiznit: oh, completely different.....:S
[08:33] <jimmacdonald> I can get to a recovery command prompt.
[08:34] <jimmacdonald> but no desktop.
[08:34] <jimmacdonald> I can get a network connection on that machine... I am running apt-get update right now, what do I do next?
[08:35] <Ahadiel> bbl
[08:37] <jimmacdonald> running apt-get upgrade right now.
[08:38] <jscinoz__> jimmacdonald, what stops you from getting to desktop? X fails to start?
[08:39] <jimmacdonald> gets to the load screen and then never transistions... it bombed out doing dbconf upgrade.
[08:40] <jimmacdonald> I am rerunning the update from a recovery command shell...
[08:42] <jimmacdonald> it appears to be functioning this thime.
[08:42] <jimmacdonald> s/thime/time
[08:46] <mithro> hi! where is the best place to go to ask questions about Ubuntu and Xen, the Wiki suggests #ubuntu-xen but that channel is totally empty
[08:47] <jimmacdonald> running the upgrade from a command prompt appeared to have corrected the problem
[09:02] <shiznit> update manager shows update available for ekiga but i can't click on it?
[09:02] <shiznit> is that intentional
[09:04] <penguincentral> i have 144 updates.  I didn't download 90 of them because of my temporarily slow broadband, and another 54 of them are piled on...
[09:04] <penguincentral> i've been punished :(
[09:18] <stefan_c69> since I installed gutsy my brightness keys aren't working anymore...
[09:18] <stefan_c69> with kpowersave I can change the brightness, but the shortkeys don't work..
[09:27] <macogw> stefan_c69: at all or does your brightness just act wrong?
[09:28] <stefan_c69> well
[09:28] <stefan_c69> only brightness
[09:28] <stefan_c69> volume keys work
[09:28] <stefan_c69> brightness just doesn't
[09:29] <Pusur> Anyone else getting an errot when the update-manager tries to load the file Sources.bz2?
[09:29] <qzio> doh, my brightness keys started to work as soon as i upgraded to gutsy... didnt work in feisty
[09:29] <Pusur> *error
[09:30] <macogw> mine work wrong
[09:30] <macogw> they jump from bright to so-dark-that-windows-are-vague-shadows
[09:30] <frostburn> mine broke =P
[09:32] <qzio> anyone knows if they'll include 2.6.23 into gutsy when it is released?
[09:37] <macogw> i think 22's the last for gutsy
[09:40] <qzio> macogw: yeah.. i guess.. do you know what the next realse is named? so i can force upgrae of the kernel only
[09:47] <kurros> qzio: "hardy" but repos wont be open until after the developers summit
[09:53] <shiznit> hola beta peopl
[09:54] <oshiii-_^> bonjour
[10:06] <romero> hello
[10:07] <masterloki> hey my computer all of a sudden thinks it has two cores um what the funk
[10:08] <masterloki> cat /proc/cpuinfo and top both show two cores
[10:09] <masterloki> and i got this when there were NO p4 duals lol
[10:09] <masterloki> like 4 yrs ago or so
[10:09] <kurros> is a P4 w/ HT?
[10:09] <rothchild> masterloki - free upgrade, you should be pleased ;-)
[10:09] <masterloki> oooh
[10:10] <masterloki> kurros, probably - i.e. yeah..
[10:10] <shiznit> ht is 2 virtual cores
[10:10] <shiznit> thats y
[10:10] <masterloki> but i dont think it showed multiple cores beofre
[10:10] <masterloki> lo
[10:10] <masterloki> good answer...
[10:10] <masterloki> apparently it turned on finally ;)
[10:10] <kurros> er, what does cpuinfo for model?
[10:10] <kurros> er say
[10:10] <kurros> sorry its 4am getting sleepy
[10:10] <masterloki> model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
[10:11] <masterloki> it had hypterthreading or w/e
[10:11] <shiznit> anyone use avant?
[10:11] <kurros> yeah that could be an HT model
[10:11] <masterloki> but i just guess its not been active before this - or ive not noticed it
[10:12] <masterloki> thanx i was like wteff
[10:12] <shiznit> ht is very nice multitasking boost
[10:12] <shiznit> u should be happy
[10:12] <masterloki> i am ^^;;
[10:12] <kurros> actually flags: should have ht listed in there, too
[10:12] <masterloki> sh: /cat/proc/cpuinfo: not found
[10:13] <masterloki> flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid xtpr
[10:13] <masterloki> flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid xtpr
[10:13] <kurros> yep
[10:13] <masterloki> yup ht :>
[10:13] <kurros> wonder why it was never on before
[10:13] <masterloki> sweet....
[10:13] <masterloki> oh i probably didnt turn it on nor my roomate either...
[10:13] <masterloki> or i just didnt notice - ive been a penquin for the longest now..
[10:13] <masterloki> like 3 months
[10:13] <masterloki> :P
[10:14] <kurros> there is a bios option for it, and I think it requires ACPI. so maybe you had ACPI off or there was a bug
[10:14] <masterloki> well its on now and thats what matters
[10:14] <masterloki> this cpu 3gigs ram in dual mode nvidia card /w 512mb ram
[10:14] <masterloki> oh heck yeah :>
[10:15] <masterloki> er 2gigs of ram mybad
[10:17] <rothchild> how can I stop gnome from showing my windoze partition / drive on the desktop?
[10:17] <_4strO> salut tout le monde
[10:25] <masterloki> rothchild, edit /etc/fstab
[10:25] <masterloki> so it doesnt mount it
[10:25] <masterloki> or change the mount point to somewhere other than /media/whatever
[10:26] <rothchild> ah ok second option looks better as I still would like it mounted I just don't want to see it on the desktop, thanks
[10:31] <py_> hello
[10:32] <penguincentral> hi py_
[10:32] <penguincentral> how are you?
[10:33] <py_> fine, thx, and you?
[10:33] <Jaymac> is there any way to change the screen resolution of gdm?  for some reason on my 4:3 monitor it comes up in 1920x1080 resolution
[10:34] <py_> In fact I'm trying to boot the xubuntu gutsy tribe5 cd, but at the time where I suppose it tries to start X, the screen get black (not as in no signal received, there is one). Computer is not frozen (eg numlock works), but I'm stuck at that point. Ctrl-alt-fX won't let me to a console, and ctrl-alt-backspace has no effect. Is there a way to act on X setup at that point?
[10:37] <py_> obviously, I also tried the "Safe graphics" option at cd boot, but I guess its more for framebuffer settings. Anyway it doesn't change the way I get stuck
[10:41] <arinomi> Is it possible to upgrade from Ubuntu Feisty to the testing version of Gutsy without having to reinstall and format?
[10:44] <Jaymac> arinomi, yes: type in a terminal: gksudo "update-manager -c -d"
[10:45] <jscinoz> hmm
[10:46] <jscinoz> sensors-applet says my fan is spinning at 128053RPM O_o lies
[10:46] <jscinoz> i think my laptop would be flying if it was going that fast :P
[10:47] <CountX> jscinoz: maybe
[10:47] <CountX> jscinoz: i think its more likely it would blow up
[10:47] <jscinoz> yeah :P
[10:47] <jscinoz> no idea why it says its going so fast
[10:48] <jscinoz> maybe the i8k module is dodgy
[10:48] <jscinoz> ugh, my GPU is at 82C >_<
[10:49] <CountX> damn
[10:50] <CountX> im in winblowz right now
[10:50] <CountX> isnt 82c like 150f?
[10:50] <neildarlow> has anyone configured brasero's burn settings in gconf-editor? there seems to be a confilict in the cdrdao setting name and its tooltip
[10:50] <Jaymac> is java available in gutsy repos?
[10:51] <neildarlow> Jaymac: gutsy installs gcj java support be default
[10:51] <Jaymac> hmm
[10:52] <CountX> not for runescape
[10:52] <neildarlow> Jaymac: well actually ecj for javac and gij for java
[10:52] <CountX> cause i couldnt run it with stock java
[10:52] <CountX> not that i would play runescape.....
[10:53] <arinomi> Jaymac, please repeat the terminal command to upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10
[10:53] <Jaymac> i can't enable java on opera..
[10:53] <Jaymac> arinomi, gksudo "update-manager -c -d"
[10:53] <neildarlow> Jaymac: you probably need to install the webplugin
[10:54] <Jaymac> yeah i have it on ff...
[10:54] <Jaymac> never mind
[10:54] <Jaymac> only problem i have with gutsy is my gdm screen displays in 1920x1080 instead of 1280x1024
[10:55] <neildarlow> Jaymac: can't you remove the offending Modeline from xorg.conf
[10:55] <Jaymac> i'll have a look
[10:56] <Bieleke> hi guys
[10:56] <Bieleke> can anybody help setting up my network card ?
[10:56] <neildarlow> Jaymac: or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and tell it to be more conservative about your monitor capabilities
[10:56] <Jaymac> thats weird... there is no mention of screen resolutions in my xorg
[10:57] <Bieleke> lspci reports ADMTek NC100
[10:57] <py_> does a ssh server get automatically started when a gutsy live cd is booted?
[10:57] <Bieleke> and i have configured interfaces
[10:57] <neildarlow> Jaymac: time to dpkg-reconfigure it then :)
[10:57] <Bieleke> but when i do networking restart it can't find device
[10:58] <neildarlow> Bieleke: sounds like the module isn't loaded.
[10:58] <Jaymac> is this screens and graphics app worth checking out?
[10:58] <neildarlow> Jaymac: maybe
[10:59] <Bieleke> neildarlow, true... i need to fix that, but have no clue how
[10:59] <Jaymac> neildarlow, seems there are others having the issue on the forum
[10:59] <Jaymac> not sure an xorg reconfig will fix it
[10:59] <Jaymac> as once i get to my desktop my resolution is fine
[11:00] <neildarlow> Jaymac: i suggested it because it can generate xorg.conf for you
[11:00] <neildarlow> Bieleke: can you use the Network tool to configure your interface?
[11:01] <Jaymac> neildarlow, yeah i know.. but it isn't working for others on the forum
[11:01] <Bieleke> neildarlow, nope, cause it is gutsy server beta
[11:01] <Bieleke> no x
[11:02] <Bieleke> and cause my network-card is not loaded i can't install desktop either :-)
[11:02] <Bieleke> maybe i should use desktop version :-)
[11:03] <Bieleke> but i thought, i just need lamp- and samba-server
[11:03] <neildarlow> Bieleke: i think you need to "sudo modprobe tulip"
[11:03] <neildarlow> Bieleke: then ifconfig eth0 should show something
[11:04] <Bieleke> tulip ?
[11:04] <Bieleke> i try
[11:04] <neildarlow> Bieleke: i believe so. one moment
[11:06] <neildarlow> Bieleke: yes that's the correct module for that card
[11:06] <Bieleke> well doesn't work :-(
[11:06] <Bieleke> device not found
[11:06] <neildarlow> Bieleke: what does ifconfig say?
[11:07] <Bieleke> eth0: error fetching interface information: device not found
[11:08] <neildarlow> Bieleke: are you sure the interface is enabled in your motherboard bios?
[11:09] <Bieleke> ofcourse... cause first i had fedora
[11:10] <neildarlow> Bieleke: and you're sure the device is an AMDtek NC100? the hardware compatibility listings say tulip should be used
[11:11] <jmg_> maybe its changed
[11:11] <Bieleke> at least that is what lspci says
[11:11] <jmg_> new driver?
[11:11] <Bieleke> lspci -v
[11:11] <jmg_> dmesg\
[11:12] <Bieleke> Ethernet controler AMDtek NC100 Network Everywhere fast ethernet
[11:12] <shiznit> can someone help with firefox audio stream?
[11:13] <Jaymac> one more (probably basic) question... what's the easiest/best way to mount a windows with r/w on startup?
[11:13] <Bieleke> ADMTek sorry
[11:13] <Jaymac> i know in gutsy you can just double click on the volume, but that has to be done every time you start..
[11:24] <neildarlow> Jaymac: iirc, if there's an entry in fstab for the filesystem it should be mounted automatically
[11:24] <Jaymac> ok
[11:24] <Jaymac> and there isn't
[11:26] <neildarlow> are brasero's libburn settings overridden? i'm burning a cdrw and ps shows that wodim is being used
[11:27] <acemo> how do i get mpg to work in kubuntu?
[11:27] <neildarlow> acemo: look in the wiki
[11:28] <acemo> neildarlow theres no up to date wiki for kubuntu 7.10
[11:28] <Bieleke> let's see if the desktop cd can detect it better
[11:28] <neildarlow> acemo: maybe not but the principle is the same
[11:29] <Eq|work> and the steps will be nearly identical
[11:29] <Eq|work> but mpg should work with basically any media player
[11:29] <Eq|work> so just install whichever player you prefer.
[11:30] <neildarlow> Eq|work: it's not necessarily the player. the appropriate gstreamer-plugins are usually all that's required
[11:35] <jscinoz> shite.... GPU at 99C
[11:35] <tux_fl> my nic ip is getting wierd, help please?
[11:36] <neildarlow> tux_fl: explain weird
[11:39] <tux_fl> thanks.  Ive never had dhcp trouble before.  I have eth0 dhcp.  ifconfig returns ip = 192.168.15.2.. but my router is 10.11.15.1. also /etc/resolv.conf has nameserver = 192.168.15.1 by network manager.  has this problem with fiesty and now gutsy
[11:39] <shiznit> lol jscinoz
[11:39] <tux_fl> route default = mygateway1.Moto mask 0.0.0.0  where this come from?
[11:41] <neildarlow> tux_fl: are you sure your DHCP server doesn't allocate IPs in the 192.168.15 netblock?
[11:41] <tux_fl> any idea neil?
[11:41] <tux_fl> never did before! whats best way to check or just rebootr router?
[11:42] <neildarlow> tux_fl: not yet. if you're using NetworkManager to manage your NIC, /etc/network/interfaces shouldn't have anything at all for eth0
[11:43] <redheat> hi everyone
[11:43] <redheat> I just installed Kubuntu, and I"m trying to update it using the adept adapter, but when I try to apply the updates I get the following message
[11:44] <neildarlow> tux_fl: if you want "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces then don't run NetworkManager at all
[11:45] <tux_fl> neil /network/interfaces has auto ethx inet dhcp for all interfaces
[11:45] <redheat> there was an error committing changes, possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit could brake some packaged
[11:45] <redheat> packages*
[11:45] <tux_fl> manually edit for static ip and not use netmanager?
[11:46] <redheat> anyone
[11:46] <neildarlow> tux_fl: that could be a problem. i've seen it before. you choose which method you want to use. i personally don't use NetworkManager because it kept dropping my wired connection. figure that one out :)
[11:46] <redheat> dudes/dudettes...
[11:46] <redheat> those in between
[11:46] <redheat> lol
[11:46] <|rgunn|> redheat: and?
[11:46] <redheat> that's it rgunn
[11:47] <redheat> ok gunny
[11:47] <redheat> is there a way I can redownload or fix those packages
[11:47] <neildarlow> redheat: are you using synaptic?
[11:48] <redheat> no I"m in a Kubuntu session and I"m using adept adapter
[11:48] <tux_fl> thanks neil.  i'll try now
[11:48] <jussi01> redheat: sudo apt-get install -f
[11:48] <neildarlow> redheat: then you should (i guess) be able to mark those packages for reinstallation. synaptic allows it, don't know adept
[11:49] <jussi01> if you have broken packages
[11:49] <kst> hey guys, i'll probably only install gutsy once it's released as final... but i only got like 500-800mb free disk space on my dedicated linux partition (got /home on separate disk with lots of free space) ... can i still install gutsy or will i run into problems? how can i get rid of unneccessary stuff in my linux partition? :)
[11:49] <jussi01> kst: uninstall stuff?
[11:50] <kst> jussi01 like what?
[11:50] <kst> doc files?
[11:50] <Vorbote> kst, what's the size of the root partition?
[11:50] <jussi01> kst: have you got extra preograms tyou could uninstall
[11:50] <gunny> kst: i doubt it !
[11:50] <redheat> yay its working, there were like two partially downloaded and not fully installed packages and that command fixed them..
[11:50] <kst> size is 5gig, 4.2gig in use
[11:50] <redheat> thank you so much neildarlow and you too gunny
[11:50] <redheat> thank you guys for your help
[11:51] <redheat> take care and have a nice day
[11:51] <gunny> redheat: cheerio
[11:51] <kst> gunny doubt that i can install it or that i run into problems? :)
[11:51] <Vorbote> kst, hmm... you have enough space in principle unless you have installed lots of extra apps.
[11:51] <gunny> kst: doubt it will fit hey but I'm guessing....
[11:51] <Vorbote> First of all run a "apt-get clean" and see if that frees enough disk space. 1.5 Gb is OK to do an upgrade.
[11:52] <kst> Vorbote well i did install lots of irc clients and music players for testing, but i more or less removed them all again... but somehow slowly but surely my linux install got bloated up :(
[11:52] <Vorbote> kst "apt-get clean"
[11:52] <kst> Vorbote I do that like every day
[11:52] <kst> :>
[11:52] <Bieleke> the desktop version detects my card , but server version does not
[11:53] <Bieleke> isn't that strange ?
[11:53] <kst> thats why i wonder Vorbote, i even did localepurge and deborphan and still... it's way too big imo
[11:53] <Vorbote> kst, then you'll have to remove some apps you dont' use (and that don't remove ubuntu-desktop)
[11:53] <jscinoz> shiznit, its ok, its still under 100C :P
[11:53] <Vorbote> kst, probably you have installed some games. Those can take lots of disk space.
[11:54] <kst> Vorbote only the default games ubuntu installs, rest is 1 q3 install which is on /home
[11:54] <kst> i even put my latex system on /home :) but lots of apps install somewhere i dont know ;-)
[11:55] <kst> is there a way to show which application takes up how much disk space?
[11:55] <shiznit> jscinoz, i would email nvidia and ask them what the safe range is
[11:55] <gunny> kst: can you repartion any windows/ntfs to make more room ?
[11:55] <jscinoz> shiznit i probably will, but for now im going to go afk and swim
[11:55] <wabiD> i lost my tracker deskbar applet
[11:55] <wabiD> how can i add it again
[11:56] <kst> gunny probably not.. i already had to cut lots from my winxp partition to put it on the linux one.. and there's like some stupid ntfs partition in the middle which cant be moved.. rest is on extended partition.. so basically, no.
[11:57] <wabiD> of course you can move it
[11:58] <neildarlow> wabiD: right-click panel and select it from "Add to Panel..."
[11:58] <wabiD> its gone from those options
[11:58] <wabiD> its literally lost.  i reinstalled it from synaptic and still no go
[11:59] <wabiD> i can add tracker search tool, and search files, but both of those are different
[12:02] <neildarlow> wabiD: i was going to suggest reinstalling it. maybe a purge beforehand might help
[12:02] <wabiD> i found one more package to reinstall
[12:03] <wabiD> any way you can tell me where it installs to
[12:03] <wabiD> so i can add a custom applet for now
[12:03] <wabiD> nevermind
[12:03] <neildarlow> wabiD: it's a python applet. it installs stuff allover
[12:03] <wabiD> yea but what file can i run to get the same thing to pop up
[12:05] <gunny> kst: du -sk * | sort -n    [be patient)
[12:05] <neildarlow> no idea. it doesn't have a /usr/bin/deskbar-applet or somesuch
[12:06] <wabiD> i found the install folder from synaptic
[12:06] <wabiD> but there are way too many .py files
[12:06] <neildarlow> wabiD: have you done a "complete removal" and reinstall?
[12:06] <wabiD> no
[12:07] <neildarlow> wabiD: try that
[12:07] <wabiD> will it delete my index's
[12:07] <neildarlow> wabiD: not if you just remove deskbar-applet. the indexes are created by tracker
[12:08] <neildarlow> wabiD: they're user-specific data anyway, not system-wide
[12:08] <wabiD> ohh i thought you ment ax tracker too
[12:08] <neildarlow> wabiD: why? it's the deskbar thats gone
[12:09] <wabiD> yea
[12:10] <wabiD> still no go
[12:10] <shiznit> does anyone use avant
[12:12] <neildarlow> wabiD: i wonder if it's just hidden somewhere. does Alt-F3 bring it back?
[12:12] <wabiD> no
[12:13] <wabiD> i did remove it from my panel, but it should still be an option in "add to panel"
[12:13] <neildarlow> wabiD: have a look in gconf-editor for its settings. do they look sensible?
[12:14] <wabiD> /usr/lib/deskbar-applet/modules-2.20-compatible/tracker-module.py
[12:14] <wabiD> any chance thats it
[12:14] <neildarlow> wabiD: yes, it should be in Accessories
[12:14] <wabiD> thats different
[12:14] <neildarlow> wabiD: possibly
[12:14] <wabiD> its in accessories, but thats not the same dialog that the deskbar-applet brings up
[12:15] <wabiD> whats the command to run a py file
[12:15] <wabiD> just python?
[12:15] <savvas> /usr/lib/deskbar-applet/modules-2.20-compatible/tracker-module.py
[12:15] <savvas> /usr/lib/deskbar-applet/modules-2.20-compatible/tracker-module.pyc
[12:15] <neildarlow> wabiD: it should have a #! line
[12:15] <wabiD> ok
[12:15] <savvas> it doesn't
[12:15] <savvas> # This deskbar module was ported from deskbar <= 2.18 handler by Marcus Fritzsch
[12:15] <savvas> :)
[12:16] <wabiD> so im not crazy
[12:16] <neildarlow> wabiD: oh well. then you'll have to python it
[12:16] <_dan_> any problems with HAL atm?
[12:16] <_dan_> http://www.pastebin.org/3925  upgrade wont continue anymore
[12:17] <wabiD> savvas, just .py, i cant open the pyc in gedit
[12:18] <wabiD> and should all the comments be #! ?
[12:18] <savvas> because pyc is the compiled one
[12:18] <savvas> no!
[12:18] <wabiD> k good
[12:19] <savvas> don't you dare touch those comments lol
[12:19] <wabiD> how do i recompile that one file
[12:19] <savvas> I've no idea
[12:19] <wabiD> so now it reads - #! This deskbar module was ported from deskbar <= 2.18 handler by Marcus Fritzsch
[12:19] <wabiD> right?
[12:19] <savvas> why not just python /.../file.py ?
[12:19] <savvas> negative
[12:19] <savvas> you could just run it as: python file.py
[12:20] <wabiD> then what did you mean by <neildarlow> wabiD: it should have a #! line
[12:20] <savvas> he meant as this: #!/usr/bin/python
[12:20] <neildarlow> wabiD: forget that. mostly, folks add e.g. #!/usr/bin/python to their scripts
[12:20] <savvas> it's a command that helps you chmod +x file.py and run it like: ./file.py
[12:21] <savvas> wabiD: do: python /usr/lib/deskbar-applet/modules-2.20-compatible/tracker-module.py
[12:21] <wabiD> nothing happens
[12:21] <neildarlow> sigh. looks like liferea-1.4.3b is seriously broken
[12:23] <savvas> wabiD: what are you trying to do btw? :p
[12:23] <wabiD> add the tracker desktop-applet back to my panel
[12:23] <wabiD> it disappeared from add to panel
[12:24] <savvas> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2007-August/001450.html
[12:25] <wabiD> it worked in tribe 5 before
[12:25] <savvas> hm..
[12:25] <savvas> deskbar applet
[12:25] <wabiD> yea its gone
[12:25] <savvas> I have it here
[12:25] <savvas> right click > add to panel
[12:26] <wabiD> search desk
[12:26] <wabiD> haha i got it back
[12:26] <savvas> :s
[12:26] <wabiD> well thanks for whatever we didnt do
[12:26] <savvas> you broke it!
[12:26] <compwiz18> When I share a folder by right clicking on it in nautilus then choosing share -> samba share, a password is required by the (Windows) computer that I try and access the share from.  What is that password?
[12:26] <savvas> :p
[12:27] <wabiD> damit
[12:27] <wabiD> now the only options are search yahoo and search tracker
[12:27] <wabiD> where did all the other options go
[12:28] <rothchild> is it possible to have a fuzzy clock in gnome like the one in kde eg so it tells the time as 'ten to one' rather than '12.50'?
[12:28] <savvas> wabiD: right click deskbar > preferences
[12:28] <savvas> load any extensions you like
[12:28] <wabiD> ahh they got disabled, thanks
[12:29] <savvas> wth
[12:29] <savvas> now my upper panel is gone!
[12:29] <wabiD> bad day for panels
[12:29] <savvas> I loaded and removed deskbar lol
[12:30] <savvas> ah wait.. I click delete panel :p
[12:30] <savvas> *clicked
[12:30] <wabiD> did you click delete this panel by accident
[12:30] <savvas> bingo
[12:31] <neildarlow> wabiD, savvas: that would be quite devastating
[12:31] <savvas> neildarlow: no, I clicked on delete panel accidentally
[12:32] <neildarlow> savvas: and the result was bad?
[12:32] <wabiD> sweet i froze the deskbar applet
[12:32] <rothchild> compwiz18 you might try the package gsambad for further samba configuration
[12:32] <savvas> oh yeah
[12:32] <rothchild> !gsambad
[12:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gsambad - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:33] <compwiz18> rothchild, I'm thinking I shouldn't have to do that though, because on another Ubuntu machine it works fine, no password or anything
[12:33] <compwiz18> I'll give it a try thoguh
[12:34] <rothchild> http://packages.ubuntu.com/feisty/admin/gsambad
[12:34] <rothchild> can't see it in gutsy now though for some reason?
[12:35] <compwiz18> I just installed in in gutsy
[12:35] <compwiz18> its there
[12:35] <rothchild> http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/admin/gsambad
[12:36] <_dan_> anyone tried the kde4 beta?
[12:36] <_dan_> is it unuseable for u too, or did i miss to install some?
[12:36] <rothchild> is there a particular daemon I need to start to get bluetooth working, I have a usb bluetooth adapter, hal device manager can see it but I can't see the computer from my phone etc
[12:37] <Xero> GSambaD needs something about a su-to-root.
[12:37] <savvas> fixed hehe
[12:38] <rothchild> Xero you just need to edit the menu command to gksu or kdesu rather than 'su to root'
[12:39] <compwiz18> rothchild, I'm having the same (or a similar) bluetooth problem
[12:48] <rothchild> compwiz18 are you in gnome?
[12:49] <rothchild> and was it working before for you?
[12:49] <wabiD> when 7.10 goes final, will system updates stop coming out daily
[12:50] <compwiz18> rothchild, I'm in Gnome.  It works great on my x32 laptop, but my x64 laptop can't connect to my phone
[12:51] <wabiD> savvas, any idea what might cause this - http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4123/granju7.png
[12:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi there, there is a problem with the bottom panel in the gnome desktop at login, it's consistently happening, so, do you already know?
[12:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> If so, that should be added to the topic :)
[12:52] <rothchild> hmm I'm on x32 and having no joy, I always found KDE's bluetooth implementation to be much better but I've come over to gnome because kubuntu just doesn't seem to get the love it deserves
[12:52] <wabiD> yea i noticed it too
[12:52] <wabiD> it doesnt appear?
[12:52] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yes
[12:53] <gunny> Le-Chuck_ITA: yep but if you click on it it will come back..just doesn't default on
[12:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I know
[12:53] <nomasteryoda> lol.... love kubuntu... its working great for me
[12:53] <ubuntu_dave> if you right click anywhere on desktop too
[12:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> is this already reported up-to your knowledge?
[12:53] <compwiz18> rothchild, I had to install gnome-vfs-obexftp on my x32 laptop to get it to work, did you do that?
[12:53] <compwiz18> it's a problem with the package
[12:53] <nomasteryoda> but i do have problems with the panel in both gnome and kde with the 'buntus
[12:54] <wabiD> i tried kde with compiz today for the first time, it runs so much faster than without compiz
[12:54] <wabiD> panel on kde was fine today
[12:54] <nomasteryoda> ya
[12:54] <wabiD> still sticking to gnome
[12:54] <nomasteryoda> ya it seems to be ok .. will know after a reboot
[12:54] <gunny> Le-Chuck_ITA: dont know haven't seen it in the buglists in my travels..compiz isue perhaps
[12:54] <wabiD> i just wish i could fix gran paradiso
[12:54] <nomasteryoda> wabiD, your gran's not working?
[12:54] <nomasteryoda> mine is fine
[12:55] <wabiD> http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4123/granju7.png
[12:55] <nomasteryoda> i used a fresh profile though
[12:55] <wabiD> i did
[12:55] <ubuntu_dave> mine it fine too ^
[12:55] <wabiD> and reinstall
[12:56] <ubuntu_dave> just wipe ~./mozilla/granpara or whatever
[12:56] <rothchild> compwiz18 it's installed already, I went through the repros and installed everything that looked relevant but still no joy
[12:56] <nomasteryoda> you do know gran has a zoom feature that zooms text and images at the same time, right? possibly yours is set that way?
[12:56] <wabiD> i did whipe it
[12:56] <wabiD> wipe rather
[12:57] <wabiD> text isnt zoomed though
[12:57] <nomasteryoda> looks bigger than the firefox text from your image
[12:57] <nomasteryoda> much more so
[12:58] <wabiD> yea
[12:58] <wabiD> i guess
[12:58] <wabiD> any idea how to disable?
[12:58] <nomasteryoda> i see the interface stuff is same font as your firefox...
[12:58] <wabiD> ?
[12:58] <wabiD> i changed my system font yea
[12:58] <nomasteryoda> like the address bar
[12:58] <nomasteryoda> ya
[12:59] <wabiD> yea i am using all vista fonts
[12:59] <nomasteryoda> but those match which to me indicates its just the page rendere
[12:59] <nomasteryoda> ah
[12:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/147070
[12:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 147070 in compiz "bottom panel not visible when desktop starts" [High,Confirmed] 
[12:59] <wabiD> but toolbars are screwed up too
[12:59] <nomasteryoda> freedome hater? ... jk
[12:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> well
[12:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/147070
[12:59] <nomasteryoda> must be very young...
[01:00] <nomasteryoda> my old eyes can't read those tiny fonts
[01:00] <nomasteryoda> unless I use zoom
[01:00] <nomasteryoda> =D
[01:00] <ubuntu_dave> confirmed and high importance... guess can just wait for a fix now ^_^
[01:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I know ! :)
[01:00] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I can just click on the desktop meanwhile, but please add that to the topic
[01:01] <Le-Chuck_ITA> bye
[01:06] <wabiD> i think it is the zoom feature
[01:06] <wabiD> for some reason its applying to the whole browser
[01:10] <chopchop_> I got a problem getting the sound works with ubuntu 7.10 . Im using a Dell Vostro 1500 laptop, does any1 have experienced with this laptop?
[01:18] <apecat> hmm, will there be some kind of menu item/point 'n drool way to configure desktop effects in gutsy?
[01:19] <apecat> i cant find a way to turn them off in the menus
[01:19] <savvas> apecat: system > preferences > appearance > visual effects
[01:20] <savvas> if you want to configure each plugin: http://medigeek.blogspot.com/2007/09/ubuntu-unveil-real-power-of-compiz.html
[01:20] <apecat> ah, righty
[01:23] <gunny> apecat: what about advanced desktop effect settings..compizconfig-settings-manager
[01:23] <apecat> dunno why these effects should be enabled by default though :P i just tried running gusy on a laptop with one of those crappy ati cards (Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M) and i got a terribly distorted hakign picture when i logged in with the default resolution (1024x768), had to set the resolution to 800x600 to be able to see anything
[01:25] <apecat> i tke that back, even with desktop effects disabled, i get the same unreadable picture using 1024x768
[01:28] <savvas> apecat: the effects are NOT enabled by default.
[01:28] <savvas> if you had compiz/beryl before, well.. that should be the problem
[01:29] <savvas> unless they enabled it in beta :s
[01:32] <jscinoz> savvas, really? mine turned on as soon as i installed the propreitry graphics driver
[01:33] <savvas> impossible
[01:33] <savvas> i had tribe 5 and it didn't
[01:33] <savvas> if it did, then.. well it would be a dumb thing to do :P
[01:34] <savvas> mind you, it's still a beta
[01:34] <chronographer> HEllo. has anyone else had a prob with firestarter and wireless drivers? I had wireless probs, uninstalled firestarter and everything is fine now...  coincidence?
[01:36] <apecat> savvas: actually, they on by default
[01:36] <apecat> on the level called "Normal"
[01:37] <savvas> apecat: < savvas> mind you, it's still a beta
[01:37] <apecat> heh yeah, of course :P
[01:37] <savvas> I think the ubuntu devs want as much feedback on it as possible
[01:39] <apecat> hmm, now lets see if the netwok manager finally cn handle my rt61 based card properly
[01:39] <apecat> lawl, netwok
[01:39] <apecat> spicy
[01:50] <savvas> apecat: some curry should do the trick ;)
[01:59] <Nalleman> how can you customize the eyecandy in gutsy?
[02:01] <rothchild> Nalleman you need the compiz config settings manager (ccsm)
[02:02] <Nalleman> rothchild, ok. download with synaptic?
[02:02] <gunny> Nalleman: yep
[02:02] <EdsipeR> hi, I've an updated version of gutsy on my laptop and some process don't stop to work with the hard disk, any idea which process can be ?
[02:03] <gunny> Nalleman: compizconfig-settings-manager
[02:03] <Nalleman> gunny, thanks
[02:05] <EdsipeR> another question: who changes the process governor from 'performance' to 'ondemand' ??? which script/process ?
[02:10] <Nalleman> silly question, i know. but how can you edit how many workspaces there should be?
[02:11] <EdsipeR> nemik, system -> preferences -> appearance
[02:11] <EdsipeR> ups, fwd to Nalleman
[02:11] <g2g591> nalleman:on kde or gnome?
[02:11] <void^> EdsipeR: trackerd is the usual culprit for unwanted diskio
[02:12] <Nalleman> EdsipeR, thanks
[02:12] <Nalleman> g2g591, gnome
[02:12] <ubuntu_dave> Nalleman: if you're running compiz for workspaces you need probably to set them in the ccsm>general>desktop size
[02:13] <Nalleman> ubuntu_dave, thanks, that did the trick
[02:15] <EdsipeR> void^, thanks
[02:16] <aftertaf> hey :)
[02:16] <Bieleke> ubuntu gutsy alternate breaks when using dutch language... breaks after he needs to download the packages
[02:16] <aftertaf> can anyone help with a long standing issue on booting? Hanging on Waiting for Root file system
[02:18] <aftertaf> i had this too when going from edgy to feisty, when feisty was released it was repaired and now its back again.....
[02:19] <pixl> anyone know how to make gnome menu icons smaller?
[02:19] <LjL> aftertaf: perhaps bug 62608?
[02:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 62608 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Waiting for root filesystem delay on booting Edgy solved by update-initramfs (was: getting cpuindex for acpiid 0xnn)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/62608
[02:23] <aftertaf> ah ok thanks :) will also try all_generic_ide....
[02:24] <aftertaf> though never had that error message and mine doesnt boot.....
[02:25] <aftertaf> not it takes long, more it drops to tha console (xx box) completely forgot the name :(
[02:27] <aftertaf> brb after boot test
[02:38] <Nalleman> is read and write support to ntfs drives default in gutsy?
[02:39] <ubuntu_dave> Nalleman: yes, it's default
[02:51] <kst> whats default audio player in gutsy? still rhythmbox?
[03:03] <kyja> please help, playing something as simple as an mp3 skips in mplayer and over clocks my computer so it over heats and shuts off like the plug gets pulled.
[03:04] <kyja> audio and and graphics realy over clock me bad.
[03:12] <kane77> I have a problem: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on  unknown-block(0,0)
[03:14] <kane77> the previous kernel seems to boot..
[03:14] <kane77> can I repair is somehow?
[03:14] <kane77> *it
[03:24] <fulat2k> hi folks, got kubuntu gg b1 installed.  it detected everything fine.  even my wifi usb stick (dlink dwl g122 b1).  from dmesg, i can see that it loaded the driver.  but somehow, even though i've configured the interface manually to tag to an ESSID, i can't seem to ping the gateway.  any ideas?
[03:28] <spr0k3t> anyone having problems with sound? (soundblaster audigy specifically)
[03:32] <Netw0rker> someone tryed logmein on gutsy ?
[03:32] <Netw0rker> is it working with the new gcj ?
[03:32] <jerpes> is there any known cups-pdf (2.4.6-3ubuntu7) dpkg/apt-get issues?
[03:32] <spr0k3t> haven't tried it here.  mainly focusing on gnomedisplay-gtk debugging
[03:33] <spr0k3t> jerpes: loaded fine here.. let me test printpdf
[03:33] <Sprog> Anyone know where I can get some info on why "workspaces on a cube" clears itself after I set it?
[03:33] <jerpes> spr0k3t, apt-get breaks when trying to install it
[03:34] <spr0k3t> printed, but don't know where it went... lol
[03:34] <jerpes> Sprog, clears itself?
[03:34] <Sprog> Jerpes:  Yep, Desktop Effects, enable, hit the confirm to keep settings, hit "desktop on a cube" and click ok, when I reopen it, it's cleared the tickbox again
[03:35] <spr0k3t> Sprog: which graphics card?
[03:35] <Sprog> GeForce 7400 Mobile, on the Nvidia drivers
[03:35] <spr0k3t> do you have hardware rendering enabled?
[03:35] <kane77> that is very strange.. I booted in the older kernel's rescue mode upgraded packages (none of them had anything to do with kernel) and now I don't get krenel panic anymore.. very strange...
[03:35] <Sprog> Without getting noob screamed at me, how I can I check that?  ;)
[03:36] <jerpes> Sprog, installed gfx drivers with restricted-manager ?
[03:36] <spr0k3t> also, check to make sure you have the nvidia-glx-new drivers as well
[03:36] <Sprog> Yes Jerpes
[03:36] <jerpes> Sprog, go to the terminal and type "compiz --replace &"
[03:36] <spr0k3t> yeah, that
[03:36] <jerpes> spr0k3t, nvidia-glx-new does not support is card
[03:37] <Sprog> Where can I paste the output?
[03:37] <jerpes> !pastebin
[03:37] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:37] <Sprog> Will I get kicked for spam if I paste 8 lines here?
[03:37] <Sprog> lol ok
[03:37] <spr0k3t> really? wow, I could have sworn the 7 series is supported under glx-new
[03:38] <jerpes> spr0k3t, i think its 7.6k+
[03:38] <Sprog> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39367/
[03:38] <spr0k3t> ko
[03:39] <jerpes> Sprog, is desktop effects on?
[03:39] <Sprog> yes
[03:40] <spr0k3t> very odd, looks good to me
[03:40] <Sprog> is it still CTRL+ALT+Drag the desktop to spin the cube?
[03:40] <jerpes> Sprog, yes
[03:40] <spr0k3t> once you have it turned on, yes
[03:41] <Sprog> just draws a nice shady box on my screen =/  When I go back into desktop effects the "cube" tickbox is cleared again
[03:41] <spr0k3t> hmm... od
[03:41] <jerpes> Sprog, install compizconfig-settings-manager package
[03:42] <Sprog> installing...
[03:42] <jerpes> Sprog, the desktop effects are on low now, you either need to set them to high in the apperence thingy or by using the config manager you are installing
[03:42] <Sprog> installed
[03:43] <Sprog> what's it under?
[03:44] <jerpes> system -> not adminstrative
[03:44] <jerpes> my system isnt english so the menu names are abit foobar
[03:44] <spr0k3t> preferences
[03:44] <jerpes> ^^
[03:44] <spr0k3t> should be "advanced desktop effects settings"
[03:45] <Sprog> Yep
[03:45] <Sprog> In that
[03:45] <spr0k3t> nothing like a really long menu item to hide it out in the open
[03:45] <Sprog> K, got adv desktop effects open
[03:46] <Sprog> Catergories down the left, icons on the right
[03:47] <jerpes> Sprog, but i recommend you to go to the apperence thingy under preferences and set it to high, then you can fix settings under the advanded desktop settings
[03:47] <jerpes> hmm, weird sentence, bbl prison break :D
[03:47] <Sprog> jerpes - under virtual effects set to extra?
[03:47] <jerpes> yes
[03:48] <Bryan__> Is there a way to upgrade from tribe five to the beta, so that I can keep the settings I have?
[03:48] <jerpes> Bryan__, sudo apt-get upgrade
[03:48] <jerpes> Bryan__, tribes and betas are just snapshots of the development cycle, if you perform upgrades you get them all
[03:49] <Bryan__> okay then I have another question. I upgraded from tribe 5 to the beta, and my sound vanished
[03:50] <jerpes> Bryan__, is gutsy fully opgraded?
[03:50] <Bryan__> define "fully upgraded"
[03:50] <jerpes> no updates in the update manager
[03:50] <Bryan__> yes.
[03:51] <jerpes> what sound card do you have?
[03:51] <Bryan__> it's a dell inspiron 1520
[03:51] <Sprog> still no cube =/
[03:51] <Bryan__> not sure what sound card was on the motherbored
[03:52] <jerpes> Bryan_, if you go to ubuntuforums.org there is a forum for dells and guides to make everything work
[03:52] <Bryan__> for 7.10?
[03:52] <Bryan__> I tried the 7.04 and couldn't get it to work.
[03:52] <Sprog> Ok now a new problem - I can't drag windows anywhere by the titlebar, everything is stuck the way it is =/
[03:53] <tich> hello!
[03:54] <Darkstriker> hi
[03:55] <Darkstriker> (join motd
[03:55] <tich> does anyone know if it is possible, or has anyone successfully suspended or hibernated a computer using gutsy with nvidia drivers?
[03:55] <Bryan__> I have
[03:56] <Bryan__> it works some times
[03:56] <Darkstriker> can u guys hear me?
[03:56] <tich> Bryan__, 2 questions...
[03:56] <tich> how often is sometimes
[03:56] <tich> ?
[03:57] <Bryan__> about 80% of the time
[03:57] <tich> that is awesome.
[03:57] <tich> where did you get your information?
[03:57] <Bryan__> the other 20 percent it does suspend, but when it turns back on it says that there was an error in suspend.
[03:57] <Bryan__> :o my dell inspiron 1520 that has a nvidia card in it
[03:57] <jscinoz> tich, i can successfully hibernate and resume with nvidia-glx-new on gutsy, worked out of the box
[03:58] <jscinoz> tich, only problem is 3d is retardedly slow after resume
[03:58] <tich> what?! out of the box!  that is amazing.
[03:58] <tich> Bryan__, what nvidia card does the 1520 have?
[03:59] <tich> jscinoz, is there a fix for speeding it back up?
[03:59] <jscinoz> tich, not sure havn't spent much time on it, been working on unrelated more major problems
[03:59] <tich> oh.
[04:00] <tich> that is too bad.
[04:02] <tich> jscinoz, what nvidia card are you using?
[04:04] <mon^rch> :/
[04:05] <jscinoz> tich, 8400M GS
[04:05] <tich> i am using the nVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M which has a few glitches.
[04:06] <jscinoz> hmm
[04:06] <jscinoz> Santa-rosa?
[04:06] <mon^rch> vmware doesnt install properly with networking. installs just fine if I skip the networking. does anybody here have vmware (anything) with networking?
[04:08] <tich> jscinoz, yeah. santa rosa.
[04:08] <jscinoz> im off to bed, night everyone, good luck with debugging and whatnot
[04:08] <jscinoz> hmm not sure tich, couldnt find anything from googling it
[04:08] <jscinoz> well anyways, i need to go sleep, good luck getting it working
[04:08] <Darkstriker> hi
[04:09] <tich> hello.
[04:10] <Darkstriker> hi i need help with the setup of ubuntu 7.10
[04:11] <Tomcat_> !ask
[04:11] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:11] <Darkstriker> k
[04:11] <Darkstriker> well i downloaded the amd64 desktop iso and burned it using daemontools and nero.
[04:11] <Darkstriker> the boot emnu shows perfectly and i just enter the first option
[04:11] <Darkstriker> so it tries to boot.
[04:12] <Darkstriker> then after some time the entire screen starts getting really weird.
[04:12] <Darkstriker> the safe graphics mode doesnt work either
[04:12] <Darkstriker> any ideas?
[04:13] <Darkstriker> my specs: a8n32 sli deluxe 7900gt 2gb ram x2 3800+ 500gb WD
[04:13] <jussi01> Darkstriker: what speed di you burn the disk
[04:13] <Tomcat_> Mh. Better check the CD (boot option)
[04:13] <Darkstriker> 40x and i did the integrity check and it said it was ok
[04:14] <jussi01> Darkstriker: hmmm, yeah... did you check the md5sum of the iso after you downloaded?
[04:14] <Darkstriker> no but i can do that now sec
[04:15] <Tomcat_> If the CD integrity is okay, the md5sum will be good I guess...
[04:15] <Darkstriker> thats what i supposed..
[04:15] <jussi01> Tomcat_: not necessarily
[04:16] <Tomcat_> Well, what are the odds? :)
[04:16] <shiznit> should i use nvidia binary driver or just enable the one in restricted manager
[04:16] <Darkstriker> well
[04:16] <jussi01> shiznit: the latter
[04:16] <Darkstriker> i question then how do i check md5s in vista?
[04:16] <jussi01> !md5sum
[04:16] <ubotu> To verify the integrity of a download, use the md5sum - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM for more
[04:16] <shiznit> hopefully this works
[04:16] <fulat2k> hi folks, anyone here using a dlink dwl g122 rev b1?
[04:16] <jussi01> !anyone | fulat2k
[04:16] <ubotu> fulat2k: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[04:17] <fulat2k> hi folks, got kubuntu gg b1 installed.  it detected everything fine.  even my wifi usb stick (dlink dwl g122 b1).  from dmesg, i can see that it loaded the driver.  but somehow, even though i've configured the interface manually to tag to an ESSID, i can't seem to ping the gateway.  any ideas?
[04:17] <Sprog> fulat2k - you got an ip on the interface?  sudo dhclient
[04:17] <fulat2k> Sprog: not using dhcp.  static
[04:18] <fulat2k> Sprog: configured it exactly like how i did last time i.e. feisty.  but in feisty, the usb stick was detected/mapped to rausb1
[04:18] <Darkstriker> k i just checked md5 sums and they match...
[04:18] <Darkstriker> so that aint the prob...
[04:19] <jussi01> Darkstriker: describe really weird?
[04:20] <Darkstriker> well the first time it got past the loading screen and gave a console like startup and then all of a sudden one of my screens turned black and the other one was filled with vertical lines
[04:21] <Darkstriker> no response to mouse or crtl alt del or anything
[04:21] <jussi01> Darkstriker: also, try editing the boot option removing quiet and splash
[04:21] <Darkstriker> just the pattern got more weird as in more lines and the second monitor got filled too then
[04:22] <fulat2k> Sprog: well, at least the connection light on the stick is switched on :)
[04:22] <Darkstriker> k ill try get this irc on my server and then try installing again on my main pc
[04:22] <clouder> is gibbon making it easier to get dual monitors working without getting your hands in the xorg.conf?
[04:22] <Starcraftmazter> Hello. in 7.10, with compiz, when I rotate desktop, the taskbar still have the applications from the 1st desktop in each othe the others - anyone know how to fix that?
[04:23] <fulat2k> i think i know what's wrong.  it's loading the wrong driver.  from dmesg, it loads rt2500usb, when it should be rt2570.  any way i can change this?
[04:24] <sparsec> anyone running gutsy with rt2500-based wifi?
[04:24] <Darkstriker> cu later
[04:24] <void^> sparsec: yes
[04:25] <sparsec> void^: And is it running ok?
[04:25] <fulat2k> sparsec: yeah.  but it's not getting connected :)
[04:25] <void^> sparsec: works for me
[04:25] <fulat2k> sparsec: which model/brand r u using?
[04:25] <Tomcat_> Starcraftmazter: Check that the applications are *not* "show on all desktops" or overlapping
[04:25] <sparsec> void^: and can you connect to a AP with WPA?
[04:25] <sparsec> fulat2k: edimaxz ew7128-g
[04:25] <fulat2k> void^: which model u using?
[04:25] <void^> sparsec: yes, using nm-manager/wpa-supplicant
[04:26] <fulat2k> sparsec: darn, not the same.  i'm using dlink dwl g122 rev b1.
[04:26] <void^> fulat2k: rt2500 pci, a foxconn model i think.
[04:26] <sparsec> void^: May I ask how long have you been running gutsy?
[04:26] <fulat2k> void^: ohh... pci.  from http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Downloads, i should be loading 2570.  any idea how i can change this?
[04:27] <sparsec> void^: I tried a clean install from the beta ISO, and network-manager couldn't connect to my WPA protected network.
[04:27] <void^> sparsec: some weeks. it wasn't working with the -12 kernel for a few days but it does work now
[04:27] <sparsec> void^: Manually editing the interfaces file didn't work (using pre-up commands).
[04:27] <tich> has anyone tried changing the login screen or splash screen?
[04:28] <sparsec> void^: Great! That means it works now, because beta ISO used the .12 kernel!
[04:28] <sparsec> void^: thanks a lot, I'm in for an update-manager -d in a short while I guess :)
[04:28] <void^> sparsec: gutsy uses the new drivers, you can't use the old iwpriv interface to setup wpa anymore i think
[04:28] <tich> i changed both of mine, including the background color but it always reverts the background color back to brown.
[04:29] <sparsec> void^: If it works out of box with WPA via network-manager, I'm fine with it. even though I don't need roaming on my desktop.
[04:29] <sparsec> void^: Man I'm happy this got fixed :)
[04:29] <tich> [i can imagine everyone is thinking "holy crap! nothing is more important than that" but i am curious if anyone else experienced it] 
[04:30] <Starcraftmazter> tomcat_: they are "only on this desktop", note if I click on them on a different desktop, it switches to the first one, before bringing up the application
[04:32] <void^> fulat2k: my rt2570usb works too, i get "usbcore: registered new interface driver rt2500usb"
[04:35] <cwillu> /usr/share/python-support;  how/where is that added to the python path?
[04:37] <void^> fulat2k: only getting about 1mB/s throughput with the usb device though :/
[04:39] <Darkstriker> hi
[04:40] <Darkstriker> here i am again
[04:40] <cwillu> ho
[04:40] <Darkstriker> well
[04:40] <Darkstriker> i managed to start ubuntu(finally) but.... he doesn't seem to want to cooperate with the 1600x1200 resolution of my screen
[04:41] <Darkstriker> my entire screen is moved to the right but my mouse isnt o.O
[04:41] <Darkstriker> very strange
[04:41] <Darkstriker> any suggestions?
[04:41] <fulat2k_> void^: how did you get it to work?
[04:42] <Darkstriker> remove my second screen
[04:42] <Darkstriker> singel mopntor..
[04:42] <Darkstriker> but now it doesnt work with my 1st screen correctly and it refuses to change my resolution
[04:42] <hewus> Darkstriker: I had this problem too
[04:43] <hewus> edit your xorg.conf
[04:43] <Darkstriker> if i ask it to change res to 800x600 it say it changed the setting but in fact didnt and then when u get to the menu again it says 1600x1200 again
[04:43] <Darkstriker> k
[04:43] <Darkstriker> i need help with that cause i pretty noob with that...
[04:43] <Darkstriker> where to find it?
[04:43] <Darkstriker> ;)
[04:44] <hewus> Darkstriker: I'm semi-noob myself :P, 1s I'll find it
[04:44] <hewus> Darkstriker: /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[04:45] <Darkstriker> how am i supposed to edit a file wich is on a cd?
[04:45] <hewus> out of interest, what monitor is this? I'm using a Samsung Syncmaster 204T
[04:45] <hewus> ah
[04:45] <hewus> haha
[04:45] <hewus> you can't :( I think
[04:45] <Darkstriker> ohh.
[04:45] <hewus> I installed it and edited from there
[04:45] <Darkstriker> i think it load that stuff into ram
[04:45] <Darkstriker> give em a sec
[04:45] <hewus> feisty didn't have this problem, but gutsy did
[04:46] <void^> fulat2k_: works out of the box, make sure you have all updates
[04:47] <Darkstriker> k now what should i change??? i dont see anythin relatin to the resoltuion over there
[04:47] <cwillu> Darkstriker: what video card?
[04:47] <Darkstriker> 7900gt
[04:47] <cwillu> this sounds familiar
[04:47] <Darkstriker> nvidia
[04:47] <cwillu> hmm
[04:47] <Darkstriker> ^^
[04:47] <cwillu> maybe nevermind then :p
[04:47] <cwillu> but
[04:48] <cwillu> xrandr --mode 800x600 might work
[04:48] <hewus> Darkstriker: Section "Screen"
[04:48] <hewus> the resolution settings should be set there
[04:48] <Darkstriker> yeah
[04:48] <Darkstriker> i says default screen and nvidia corporation
[04:48] <Darkstriker> generic monitor
[04:48] <Darkstriker> default depth 24
[04:48] <Darkstriker> then end section
[04:49] <Darkstriker> o.O
[04:49] <Darkstriker> :'(
[04:50] <hewus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39376/
[04:50] <hewus> this is a copy of my xorg.conf
[04:50] <shiznit> hi
[04:50] <scizzo-> moin
[04:50] <hewus> your section "screen" should be similar, in terms of the 1600x1200
[04:50] <shiznit> anyone get creative x-fi working?
[04:52] <Darkstriker> no way may screen section is way shorter
[04:52] <Darkstriker> and xrandr wont make any changes
[04:52] <hewus> Darkstriker: I know, I had the same issue. I seems to detect it as a generic screen, hence the resolution problems
[04:53] <Darkstriker> yeah but how get it to detect my samsung???
[04:53] <Darkstriker> syncmaster 204b
[04:53] <hewus> if you edit your xorg.conf similar to that, 1600x1200 should become available
[04:53] <Darkstriker> to be precies
[04:53] <hewus> haha I knew it, similar monitors :-)
[04:53] <hewus> it didn't detect, I'm not sure
[04:53] <hewus> but editing fixes it
[04:53] <hewus> it will be a bug of some sort
[04:54] <hewus> it detected fine in feisty/edgy/dapper
[04:54] <hewus> but not gutsy
[04:55] <fulat2k_> void^: it detects the stick and loads the driver.  somehow it just can't see any essids
[04:55] <Darkstriker> lol
[04:56] <Darkstriker> obviously i cant cahnge the settings cause im still running of cd
[04:56] <hewus> yes :(
[04:56] <hewus> are you planning to install?
[04:56] <Darkstriker> yes exactly what i want but how?
[04:56] <Darkstriker> i c
[04:56] <Darkstriker> i found install
[04:56] <hewus> :)
[04:57] <hewus> I know the mouse doesn't point where it should be, but you can guess and get there in the end
[04:57] <hewus> or tab and enter works too
[04:57] <Darkstriker> yeah takes some hand eye coordination skill man =)
[04:57] <hewus> once you're installed, you will probably be stuck with some 1400 resolution like I was
[04:57] <hewus> haha I know hey
[04:58] <Darkstriker> arghh
[04:58] <Darkstriker> my location isnt in there
[04:58] <Darkstriker> btw
[04:59] <Darkstriker> how do i get it to work with german keyboard layout?
[04:59] <Darkstriker> ic
[04:59] <Darkstriker> nevermind :P
[04:59] <hewus> hmm, sorry can't help you there
[04:59] <hewus> :)
[05:00] <Darkstriker> it asks during the install right after the location :P
[05:00] <Darkstriker> o.O
[05:00] <Darkstriker> i hope it doesnt screw my data
[05:00] <jussi01> lol
[05:01] <jussi01> Darkstriker: I see you got it working, what did you do?
[05:01] <Darkstriker> remove the econd screen
[05:01] <Darkstriker> but now: can i install ubuntuo NTFS???
[05:02] <Darkstriker> no right?
[05:02] <hewus> I don't see why not
[05:02] <hewus> you mean ntfs-3g?
[05:03] <hewus> I would install it first
[05:03] <hewus> and do ntfs setup from there, once you have a fully functional monitor
[05:03] <Darkstriker> well
[05:03] <Darkstriker> ill stick with ext3
[05:03] <jussi01> Darkstriker: no, of course you cant install it on ntfs
[05:03] <Darkstriker> or has anybody some advice for a file system
[05:04] <jussi01> Darkstriker: ext3
[05:04] <jussi01> every time
[05:04] <hewus> yes ext3
[05:04] <Darkstriker> k
[05:04] <hewus> all my filesystems are ext3 now
[05:04] <jussi01> mine too
[05:04] <Darkstriker> i just amde a swap aprtition of 5 gb is that enough?
[05:04] <Darkstriker> or just way too much?
[05:04] <hewus> plenty
[05:04] <Darkstriker> k
[05:04] <jussi01> Darkstriker: double your memory is usually the way to go
[05:04] <hewus> possibly too much, but it won't hurt
[05:05] <_dan_> configure: error: unable to find the GNOME libraries
[05:05] <_dan_>   can aonyone tell me which lib-dev packat i need for that
[05:05] <_dan_> ?
[05:05] <Darkstriker> k then it is a bit too much cause i only got 2 gigs
[05:05] <jussi01> !info libgtk2.0
[05:05] <hewus> Darkstriker: how much harddisk space and how much RAM you have?
[05:05] <ubotu> Package libgtk2.0 does not exist in gutsy
[05:05] <jussi01> !find libgtk
[05:05] <Darkstriker> next one: why cant i import settings from vista??? no supported yet?
[05:05] <ubotu> Found: libgtk-directfb-2.0-0, libgtk-directfb-2.0-dev, libgtk2-perl, libgtk2-perl-doc, libgtk2.0-0 (and 114 others)
[05:05] <jussi01> !info libgtk2.0-0
[05:05] <ubotu> libgtk2.0-0: The GTK+ graphical user interface library. In component main, is optional. Version 2.12.0-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 1917 kB, installed size 4872 kB
[05:06] <jussi01> _dan_: probably that one
[05:07] <Darkstriker> k heregoes the install...
[05:07] <_dan_> i already got that one, got libgnome-dev too
[05:07] <Darkstriker> thx everyone
[05:07] <wers> noticed that the gdm sound is back?
[05:07] <_dan_> i have to recompile mail notification because it comes with ssl turned off by default which renders it *useless* to a whole bunch of ppl
[05:07] <_dan_> i wonder why even having the package then
[05:10] <Darkstriker> is wine included in the standard distro package?
[05:10] <Darkstriker> i wanna use this for gamin so...
[05:10] <avatar_> _dan_: last time i checked that package the ssl part was not implemented
[05:10] <_dan_> it is, its just disabled by default
[05:11] <_dan_>  SSL/TLS support (disabled, see README.Debian)
[05:11] <avatar_> stupid indeed
[05:11] <_dan_> gotta get it compiled somehow
[05:12] <avatar_> who sending username/password in plaintext about the inet nowadays?
[05:12] <_dan_> well gotta time to read the configure script l8er guy
[05:12] <_dan_> s
[05:12] <_dan_> avatar_ debian guys
[05:12] <Darkstriker> dunno...does outlook do that by default with gmail?
[05:12] <Darkstriker> then i would use plain text yes
[05:20] <Darkstriker> coudl it be that 7.10 jsut cant recognize dvi screens?
[05:20] <Darkstriker> or samsung screens for taht matter?
[05:21] <dvs01> hi
[05:21] <dvs01> is it just me or is gutsy's kernel affecting performance negatively? switching tabs in firefox takes 2-3 seconds, and performance seems weird overall, sometimes with noticeable keystroke lag that i didnt see before
[05:21] <_dan_> when i apt-get source a package, whats the correct debian way to build it, make a package out of it?
[05:22] <dvs01> still running feisty, but with gutsy kernel, so that my thinkpad t61's wifi is supported
[05:22] <sparsec> _dan_: Or you can use aptitude
[05:22] <sparsec> which is also a correct way of doing it
[05:22] <sparsec> like this: sudo aptitude install <packagename>
[05:22] <shiznit> gutsy installed nvidia drivers perfectly, feisty was a nighmare
[05:23] <shiznit> i didnt have to use Envy
[05:23] <Pici> yay
[05:23] <sparsec> shiznit: I had no problems with nvidia drivers in feisty - everything smooth, via one click.
[05:23] <shiznit> dood, you should have been on
[05:23] <shiznit> its was hell
[05:24] <shiznit> it*
[05:24] <sparsec> shiznit: might depend on card though - I'm running geforce 6800
[05:24] <shiznit> i had one of those, back in the day
[05:24] <shiznit> :)
[05:24] <sparsec> shiznit:  lol;
[05:25] <sparsec> shiznit: I'd love a newer one, but I guess I'm stuck with this one (and my 4 and 1/2 year old veteran) for another year or (more probably) two.
[05:25] <Darkstriker> anyone know if asus delivers mainboard drivers for linux by default?
[05:26] <shiznit> y so long
[05:26] <sparsec> Darkstriker: Mainboard drivers? What's that? :)
[05:26] <shiznit> Darkstriker, asus doesnt actually make any of the components you would need drivers for
[05:26] <sparsec> Either the chipset is supported in lin kernel
[05:26] <shiznit> so no
[05:26] <sparsec> or you're screwed
[05:26] <sparsec> but I haven't seen a mainboard that wouldn't run linux
[05:27] <sparsec> you might end up with your built-in soundcard not running, but that's the very most that can happen
[05:27] <shiznit> yea im gonna have to use on-board audio looks like
[05:27] <shiznit> creative only released 64bit
[05:27] <sparsec> shiznit: They're pretty good these days.
[05:28] <sparsec> those integrated soundcards
[05:28] <shiznit> yea but i like my x-fi
[05:28] <sparsec> shiznit: hold on - I read about Creative releasing drivers for x-fi or something
[05:28] <shiznit> 64bit
[05:28] <shiznit> only
[05:28] <sparsec> ah well
[05:29] <sparsec> looks like the audigy cards are still the safest bet
[05:29] <Darkstriker> now how do i fix tat monitor detection issue
[05:29] <shiznit> yea, i need the x-fi for windows and now i gotta enable the onboard, i dont know how that's gonna work out
[05:29] <Darkstriker> ?
[05:29] <sparsec> Darkstriker: You have to edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file by hand
[05:29] <sparsec> dunno about the gui app to do this in gutsy
[05:30] <Darkstriker> just enter what monitor i got?
[05:30] <sparsec> I heard it should be able to import an .inf file for the monitor and correctly set things up, in that case you would just give it the .inf ("win driver") and not care about it.
[05:30] <sparsec> Darkstriker: No, you have to set up the parameters of your monitor - namely horizontal and vertical refresh rate.
[05:31] <sparsec> shiznit: I dumped windows last week.
[05:31] <shiznit> i cant
[05:31] <shiznit> like games too much
[05:31] <sparsec> It's linux only nowadays.
[05:31] <sparsec> Yeah I do as well
[05:32] <sparsec> But I'll be doing university state exams and writing my thesis this year, so no gaming for me anytime soon.
[05:32] <Darkstriker> thats abd
[05:32] <sparsec> And being a CS student, I have everything I need on linux
[05:32] <shiznit> tru dat
[05:32] <Darkstriker> but for what i heard linux is faster for games than vista is..
[05:32] <Darkstriker> cause vista just screws ur performance
[05:32] <shiznit> ?
[05:32] <clouder> sparsec: why'd you drop windows in the first place?
[05:32] <shiznit> no it doesnt
[05:32] <shiznit> vista runs games just fine
[05:33] <Darkstriker> yes it does
[05:33] <shiznit> unless your pc sucks
[05:33] <sparsec> clouder: Well, it's a long story.
[05:33] <Darkstriker> no comparison between vista aand xp x64
[05:33] <sparsec> clouder: Basically, it sucked, it was dog-slow
[05:33] <penguincentral> Darkstriker: do you use wine or cedega for playing games on linux?
[05:33] <sparsec> clouder: And I neede more space for Ubuntu, as I have only 80 GB disk
[05:33] <shiznit> i run both vista and xp x64 and framerates are almost identical, some games actually run faster in vista
[05:33] <Darkstriker> wine
[05:33] <Darkstriker> cadega only if wine doesnt do
[05:34] <Darkstriker> but u ahve to pay for that if i remember so i dont like it
[05:34] <penguincentral> Darkstriker: do you pay for cedega?
[05:34] <sparsec> clouder: Also, mum has a nb that's been running linux until recently and she needs windows now.
[05:34] <penguincentral> Darkstriker: what games do you play?
[05:34] <shiznit> xp x64 is free
[05:34] <Darkstriker> shiznit then ur doing something terribly wrong in xp
[05:34] <shiznit> no im not
[05:34] <Darkstriker> no its trial free
[05:34] <shiznit> i have good hardware
[05:34] <sparsec> clouder: So I wiped the win partition on desktop and installed the licence on nb, to stay legal.
[05:34] <Darkstriker> yeahlol metoo
[05:34] <shiznit> and i know how to set it up properly
[05:35] <penguincentral> !microsoft | shiznit, sparsec
[05:35] <ubotu> shiznit, sparsec: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[05:35] <penguincentral> ...
[05:35] <sparsec> penguincentral: Oh stop it, kiddo.
[05:35] <Darkstriker> lol
[05:35] <shiznit> sorry penguin, but there were some false statements i had to correct
[05:35] <Darkstriker> no they arent false
[05:35] <penguincentral> sparsec: um, this is a channel for discussion on gutsy
[05:36] <Darkstriker> yeah
[05:36] <sparsec> clouder: So I ended up with 80 GB of ext3 :)
[05:36] <penguincentral> shiznit: apology accepted...
[05:36] <sparsec> penguincentral: Yeah, but I'm telling the story of how I made a complete transition to Ubuntu
[05:36] <Darkstriker> i wanna ehar it too..
[05:36] <clouder> sparsec: I see, thanks, just always curious as to people's motives for switching
[05:36] <Darkstriker> very interesting
[05:36] <Darkstriker> role modelfor others
[05:36] <penguincentral> sparsec: fair enough
[05:37] <penguincentral> than i shall tell my story
[05:37] <sparsec> clouder: To tell the truth - if I were to decide only according to my _working_ needs, I would have switched long ago.
[05:37] <sparsec> clouder: Because I have everything I need here nicely integrated - python, compilers for C++, java, the beauty of bash...
[05:37] <sparsec> clouder: you name it, linux has it
[05:38] <Darkstriker> welli personally like office 2k7 a lot better then oo but oo is still very good so if u get to know it
[05:38] <penguincentral> After 8 or so reinstall's of Windows within two years, and the considerable slowness i was experienceing, I wanted to switch to Linux, but at the time i only had dialup and a winmodem (which i could never get working)
[05:38] <penguincentral> so when i got broadband, I decided to switch.
[05:38] <penguincentral> clouder: i doubt that
[05:38] <clouder> penguincentral: but I do like to know
[05:38] <penguincentral> I first booted gparted to shrink my ntfs partition, and it didn't work
[05:38] <sparsec> clouder: there are, of course some issues - gaming and wireless - but work concerned, I'm willing to give this up to be able to do my job reliably and quickly, which I can't on the other platform (avoiding the word this time, penguincentral ;) )
[05:39] <penguincentral> I tried another program (i forget what it was) and then i lost windows
[05:39] <shiznit> penguin, did you defrag before you shrunk?
[05:39] <penguincentral> sparsec: lol
[05:39] <penguincentral> anyway
[05:39] <shiznit> with a decent defrag program
[05:40] <penguincentral> probably, but with the inbuilt defragger :(
[05:40] <penguincentral> anyway
[05:40] <penguincentral> so i loaded on a ghost image of xp, and then ran gparted, it worked flawlessly
[05:40] <sparsec> clouder: plus, rt2500-based wireless works in feisty and from what I heard works even better with recent gutsy updates, so what more could I really ask for? :)
[05:40] <AaronMT> Hi, does anyone know of a fix for the suspend/hibernate issues on Inspiron laptops?
[05:40] <penguincentral> i made an 80GB linux partition
[05:41] <penguincentral> half of that drive
[05:41] <penguincentral> and i installed ubuntu
[05:41] <penguincentral> it worked wonders
[05:41] <penguincentral> feisty first
[05:41] <sparsec> penguincentral: for just one partition?
[05:41] <penguincentral> than i installed gutsy alpha 5 and it ran well despite being alpha
[05:41] <penguincentral> and that is my switching story
[05:41] <penguincentral> sparsec: yeah, i gave ubuntu 80GB, but i'll have to check again
[05:42] <sparsec> clouder: The only thing I _really_ miss is World of Warcraft, but I should be able to run it ok under Wine. Yet as I wrote, I don't have time for this right now.
[05:42] <shiznit> i dont miss that game
[05:42] <shiznit> played it too much, i got burned out
[05:42] <shiznit> after rank 14 and 4 horse im fucking done
[05:42] <sparsec> penguincentral: Woa, you have everything on one partition? Not good.
[05:43] <penguincentral> shiznit: i think it's rubbish (leave me alone WoW lovers)
[05:43] <shiznit> i was one of them
[05:43] <sparsec> shiznit: Good for you. I never played the game continuosly for more than two months
[05:43] <jussi01> !offtopic
[05:43] <ubotu> #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[05:43] <penguincentral> i also have a second 80GB hard drive which i recently changed it from NTFS to ext3
[05:43] <Pici> !ohmy | shiznit
[05:43] <ubotu> shiznit: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:43] <kekZpriester> is the process 'trackerd' really needed and does is need to produce 100% load in one of 2 cpus?
[05:43] <levander> Does the version of Rythmbox that's in Gutsy support MTP?
[05:43] <levander> out of the box
[05:44] <penguincentral> jussi01: what was that for? we were on topic
[05:44] <Darkstriker> now i have a user of course but what is the root password by default???
[05:44] <penguincentral> so sparsec, I do have another hdd which is in ext3, which only has about 3GB left :(
[05:44] <levander> Darkstriker: there isn't a root password by default
[05:44] <Darkstriker> cause i cant save xorg.conf i normal user mode
[05:44] <Darkstriker> k
[05:44] <Dr_willis> thats what sudo is all about. :)
[05:44] <jussi01> penguincentral: how so? you were talking wow...
[05:44] <Darkstriker> and then how do i logon in the terminal using root?
[05:44] <Darkstriker> which command?
[05:45] <levander> Darkstriker: you use sudo to set it, using the passwd command i believe
[05:45] <Dr_willis> !sudo
[05:45] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:45] <sparsec> penguincentral: Well my layout is like this - 600 MB /boot, then one s*it large extended partition with logical partitions for /, /home, /usr, /var, /opt and swap :)
[05:45] <levander> Darkstriker: are you sure you need to login as root on a terminal?
[05:45] <Darkstriker> k
[05:45] <Dr_willis> Theres no real need to 'set' the root password. :)
[05:45] <Darkstriker> well
[05:45] <sparsec> Darkstriker: You have to use your login password.
[05:45] <shiznit> is there a way to check usb polling rate in linux
[05:45] <Dr_willis> and Yes.. i have the bad habbit of setting it on every install of ubuntu also. :P
[05:45] <Darkstriker> how can i save that file as root then?
[05:45] <scizzo-> Darkstriker: you can use: sudo -s -H
[05:45] <penguincentral> sparsec: eh, why bother?
[05:45] <Darkstriker> without root.
[05:45] <sparsec> Darkstriker: The "sudo" command uses your password to do things, not roots.
[05:46] <penguincentral> jussi01: i only mentioned that wow is rubbish
[05:46] <Darkstriker> the how for gods sake do i get to save that file if i cant cahnge it as nromal user????
[05:46] <Darkstriker> everybody says somethin different..
[05:46] <sparsec> penguincentral: Well I definitely like to keep /opt and /home on a separate partition, because I tend to keep them while changing versions or even distributions.
[05:46] <Darkstriker> gets me confused
[05:47] <shiznit> wuts /opt?
[05:47] <penguincentral> sparsec: i agree with keeping /home on a seperate partition, but why /opt?
[05:47] <Pici> penguincentral: ;)
[05:47] <sparsec> shiznit: opt is for software that is installed externally
[05:47] <sparsec> shiznit: Like you download Java SE with Netbeans and install them there
[05:47] <penguincentral> hi Pici
[05:47] <penguincentral> sparsec: like what?
[05:47] <penguincentral> kok then
[05:47] <penguincentral> ok*
[05:48] <penguincentral> how are you Pici?
[05:48] <scizzo-> Darkstriker: sudo is a setup for admin group that the first user has access to. With sudo you can then edit and get admin permissions.....as a example: sudo -s -H then type the password that your normal user has will give you a new command ine that is using the root priveliges....
[05:48] <penguincentral> !sudo | Darkstriker
[05:48] <ubotu> Darkstriker: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:48] <sparsec> penguincentral: As for /var, this is because I tend to keep big downloaded things in /var/tmp
[05:49] <sparsec> penguincentral: And if it was part of /, I might end up with no free space on /
[05:49] <penguincentral> sparsec: well i'll be...
[05:49] <penguincentral> sparsec: true
[05:50] <shiznit> he sound
[05:50] <shiznit> should
[05:50] <sparsec> penguincentral: And for / and /usr - you never know when things get f*cked up in /usr, so better to keep the basic tools in /bin and /sbin (which reside on /) separate from user programs
[05:50] <sparsec> penguincentral: So that's roughly it :)
[05:50] <penguincentral> sparsec is an organised person
[05:51] <ggilbert> A separate /home at the least is a very very good idea
[05:51] <sparsec> penguincentral: Yeah I hate chaos. :)
[05:51] <shiznit> does anyone use ubunto to run a CS:S server
[05:51] <shiznit> im thinking about it
[05:51] <penguincentral> sparsec: and I hate slow internet ;)
[05:51] <shiznit> verizon might not like it though
[05:52] <sparsec> penguincentral: But really this has advantages when using mutliple distros - you can share your /home directory this way across many installed distros, the same goes for /opt
[05:52] <blubloblu> is there anything new from Tribe 5 to the Beta?
[05:52] <penguincentral> blubloblu: new wallpaper
[05:52] <penguincentral> sparsec: i see, although i only ever use ubuntu
[05:53] <blubloblu> i think i'll upgrade then
[05:53] <shiznit> im gonna go play the Pro Evolution 2008 demo, back to XP x64 *shrug*
[05:54] <penguincentral> shiznit: where is the demo?
[05:54] <shiznit> fileplanet
[05:54] <sparsec> penguincentral: Yeah well in that case, no need to do so many partitions, but still I would advise a separate /home and possibly /var or /opt, depending on your needs.
[05:54] <penguincentral> blubloblu: don't worry, there are many other reasons to upgrade to beta, but if you keep updated, then you are already on beta
[05:55] <penguincentral> sparsec: i really only use one distro and that is ubuntu, but i will remember this info when my circumstances ever change
[05:55] <sparsec> penguincentral: The separate /home is valid even if you use only one distro - you don't want to have your personal files screwed up once your / blows up.
[05:56] <penguincentral> sparsec: yeah
[05:56] <sparsec> plus - if anything goes wrong and you have to do a clean install, you can wipe your / and keep your /home, easily setting it up during install
[05:59] <hwilde>  can I set an ethernet port to 10MBps or 100MBps?
[05:59] <sparsec> hwilde: Why would you want to do that?
[06:00] <Vorbote> hwilde, yes, With ethtool or mii-tool but it it better to let the interface autonegotiate the speed, unless you can control the switch.
[06:01] <penguincentral> hwilde: i think it picks up the speed automatically
[06:04] <shiznit> yo yo
[06:05] <penguincentral> !hi | shiznit
[06:05] <ubotu> shiznit: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[06:05] <shiznit> windoze sucks
[06:05] <penguincentral> shiznit: i agree.  what is your reason?
[06:05] <shiznit> game
[06:06] <shiznit> downloading pro evoluting 2008 demo
[06:06] <penguincentral> what happened with Pro Evo?
[06:06] <afd_>  hi! I have a hardware problem... I'm purchased a new dvd-writer driver, SATA model. It didn't work with Feisty (it won't complete loading kernel modules), so I've upgraded to Gutsy. I just wrote a dvd with it, but I can't mount the drive. I've even tried mounting it manually, but I can't. I get this in dmesg output: cdrom: failed setting lba address space
[06:06] <afd_> Any ideas?
[06:06] <penguincentral> ok, how about we take it to offtopic
[06:06] <penguincentral> ha shiznit?
[06:06] <shiznit> y not
[06:06] <shiznit> is that a channe
[06:07] <shiznit> l
[06:07] <penguincentral> yep
[06:07] <penguincentral> !offtopic | shiznit
[06:07] <ubotu> shiznit: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[06:07] <shiznit> afd, are you using ahci
[06:07] <penguincentral> ...
[06:07] <mooper> hi, I have a dual monitor setup with ati big desktop thingy. When I go full screen with a VM on server it uses both screens. with a duplicate in each screen. How Can I keep the VM to one screen?
[06:07] <afd_> shiznit: I'm not sure what's that
[06:07] <dagobert> dammit, i let gutsy upgrade.... now X is totally broken
[06:07] <shiznit> advanced host contoller interface
[06:08] <afd_> shiznit: I don't know. I have two other hard-drives which are on sata, I've removed one of them and placed the dvd drive
[06:08] <afd_> modern computer architecture eludes me :)
[06:09] <afd_> shiznit: at one point I checked the BIOS for any SATA related settings, but I couldn't find any
[06:11] <Darkstriker> k ppl now can some1 again tell em how to configure xorg.conf so as to get along with my monitor cause i just tried and i completely screwed xserver so that it didnt see a display anymore.
[06:11] <afd_> Darkstriker: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:13] <Darkstriker> k but then it still wont seemy screen correctly...
[06:14] <Darkstriker> it says generic screen
[06:14] <afd_> Darkstriker: this is not automatic configuration, you'll be able to set stuff
[06:15] <Darkstriker> k
[06:16] <afd_> dagobert: I had the same issue, you probably need to check if Xgl can start on your computer
[06:16] <afd_> there's a way to disable Xgl
[06:16] <afd_> so that it will use the old x.org server
[06:16] <afd_> I had the same issue
[06:16] <dagobert> which X server should i be running ?
[06:16] <dagobert> i reconfigured xserver-xorg, works now, dunno why it broke though
[06:17] <afd_> create a file called ~/config/xserver-xgl/disable
[06:17] <afd_> I mean, with the path ~/config/xserver-xgl, called "disable"
[06:17] <afd_> empty file
[06:19] <afd_> dagobert: sorry, if it works now for you, don't listen to my advice
[06:19] <dagobert> is there aiglx for the i810 graphics card?
[06:22] <jerpes> dagobert, nvidia has aiglx
[06:22] <random-nickname> dagobert, unless my names are wrong, yes. running beryl on one with aiglx
[06:22] <jerpes> dagobert, ATI has aiglx very soon :D
[06:23] <afd_> jerpes: do you know anything about aiglx support for an r200?
[06:23] <dagobert> i810 is intel isnt it? not nvidia or ATI?  or am i confusing things ?
[06:23] <random-nickname> dagobet, yes its intel
[06:23] <dagobert> i have i810 like millions of other generic motherboards
[06:23] <jerpes> afd_, it should be in the next driver release
[06:23] <dagobert> so aiglx is strictly a ATI/nvidia thing ?
[06:23] <jerpes> i dont know if intel has it
[06:23] <afd_> jerpes: when's that?
[06:24] <jerpes> afd_, soon
[06:24] <jerpes> afd_, dont know any dates
[06:24] <afd_> jerpes: thanks... it'll probably make splashes on phoronix, I'll follow this there
[06:25] <jerpes> afd_, that makes splashes everywhere :)
[06:25] <jerpes> AMD has been gods gift to humans with ATI cards
[06:25] <Darkstriker> k now i did the manual config but my screen is still fucked up cause ubuntu doesnt seem to be able to recognize my monitor
[06:25] <jerpes> and opensource in general
[06:25] <random-nickname> dagobert, I have it working on an intel 915 card with beryl, so its not just ati/nvid
[06:25] <random-nickname> dagobert, trying to find you a howto on it for ubuntu
[06:25] <jerpes> random-nickname, beryl does xgl
[06:25] <random-nickname> jerpes, or aiglx
[06:26] <jerpes> both ;)
[06:26] <random-nickname> jerpes, yup
[06:27] <Darkstriker> ppl i need help desperately...my display is shifted way to the right and that sort of completely screws the fund of ubuntu
[06:27] <jerpes> Darkstriker, gfx card?
[06:27] <Darkstriker> 7900 gt and syncmaster display
[06:28] <jerpes> gt is nvidia?
[06:28] <Darkstriker> yep
[06:28] <Darkstriker> nvidia
[06:28] <Darkstriker> but he egts that
[06:28] <jerpes> is nvidia-glx-new installed?
[06:28] <Darkstriker> he doesnt get my monitor
[06:28] <gnomefreak> anyone know what package is holding the gstreamer-lame?
[06:33] <kri> will there be the new gnome 2.20 in gg?
[06:33] <mooper> SMARTerror, How??
[06:35] <jerpes> kri, its already there
[06:35] <kri> in the beta?
[06:36] <jerpes> yes
[06:36] <kri> ah nice :)
[06:36] <kri> and how about xen?
[06:36] <kri> is it in the stanard kernel?
[06:37] <Eq|work> kri : gnome has nothing to do with the kernel
[06:37] <jerpes> kri, xen is there but i dont know what version
[06:37] <kri> ok
[06:37] <Eq|work> ah wait, sorry, missed that line
[06:37] <jerpes> :)
[06:37] <kri> :)
[06:37] <Eq|work> there is a xen kernel in the package list iirc
[06:37] <Eq|work> apt-cache search linux-image xen
[06:37] <Eq|work> should help
[06:38] <kri> yes sure there is one in feisty, too, but its not the standard kernel
[06:38] <jerpes> its not in the standard kernel
[06:38] <kri> ok
[06:38] <bstock> alright, when trying to add a printer it asks for a password. i type in my password and it just keeps asking.. my dmesg reports 'kernel: [612920.042567]  audit(1191343096.435:275):  type=1503 operation="file_mmap" requested_mask="mr" denied_mask="m" name="/etc/shadow" pid=5750 profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd"'
[06:39] <bstock> any idea what could be causing that?
[06:39] <jerpes> but there is a xen kernel in the repos and that should be fine
[06:40] <kri> i really cant await the 18. :)
[06:41] <jerpes> i rather want hardy or a 2.6.23 kernel backport
[06:41] <kri> hm
[06:41] <gnomefreak> jerpes: more than likely it will be 2.6.24
[06:41] <bstock> i seem to get the same thing when i run 'cupsdconf' from terminal
[06:41] <gnomefreak> hint look at past final kernels
[06:42] <jerpes> gnomefreak, yea but i want to test out CFS now :)
[06:42] <gnomefreak> jerpes: build it but its not fun, easy or a good idea until gutsy is final
[06:42] <jerpes> i know
[06:43] <jerpes> thats why im waiting
[06:43] <Lorvija> hey, is there a option i could set so that my computer would hibernate after 30mins of inactivity? and so that it wouldnt depend if someone is logged or not..
[06:43] <jerpes> will a vannilla kernel run good in ubuntu?
[06:43] <jerpes> Lorvija, yes, the power manager
[06:43] <Lorvija> jerpes: humm.. didn't work for me atleast (:
[06:44] <Lorvija> well when i'm not logged it doesnt work
[06:44] <jerpes> hmm
[06:45] <Lorvija> well... i dont even see hibernate option anywhere (:
[06:49] <Lorvija> hmm brb, restart >
[06:50] <jerpes> does anybody when compiz fusion 0.6.0 will hit gutsy?
[06:52] <Lorvija> humm.. so why there's no hibernate option in powermanager? :E and the suspend is broken..
[06:54] <Lorvija> also is the screensaver supposed to be bright white (:
[07:02] <dopez> could someone running kubuntu gutsy please confirm if the network manager and knetworkmanager are horible unstable? (so that i know i need to check my config or help with bug reports) i have trouble that when connecting to a wireless network it says all okay but i have no IP, and retry to connect to the wireless network results either in knetworkmanager staying at 0% or networkmanager crashing
[07:02] <dopez> (and thus dbus needs to be restarted)
[07:03] <dopez> i have this since i run gutsy, upgraded from feisty to gutsy tribe 5
[07:14] <edulix> hi
[07:15] <edulix> what are we going to use in ubuntu gutsy, strigi or tracker?
[07:16] <Vorbote> edulix, both, depending on flavor.
[07:16] <edulix> ok
[07:16] <edulix> so strigi for kubuntu
[07:16] <Vorbote> yup
[07:16] <edulix> that's what I thought
[07:28] <jerpes> w00t!!!
[07:28] <jerpes> Compiz 0.6.0 is building!!!
[07:30] <kRush> anything in 0.6 that would be worthwhile the trouble of manually installing?
[07:34] <plb> in kubuntu gutsy there is a special effect when you click k-menu...where is the option for this?
[07:38] <Darkstriker> pplso is there now some1 who can help me fix my monitor confic cause my displayis still shifted cause xserver doesnt recognize my monitor
[07:40] <Dr_willis> Darkstriker,  this is a LCD or CRT monitor?
[07:40] <Darkstriker> dvi lcd  samsung 1600x120
[07:41] <Darkstriker> 0
[07:41] <isidoro>  April 26th 2007 is past
[07:41] <Dr_willis> thats odd.. with dvi/lcd normally the monotor gives X the proper config values.
[07:42] <Dr_willis> what brand samsung? got a 226bw here.
[07:42] <isidoro> where is gusty?
[07:42] <Dr_willis> !release
[07:42] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[07:42] <Darkstriker> i got a 04b and 7.10 and 7900gt
[07:42] <Dr_willis> Darkstriker,  is the console positioned right?
[07:42] <Dr_willis> Darkstriker,  you did install the nvidia drivers?
[07:43] <Darkstriker> the console is positioned right as is the logon screen but the desktop is screwed...
[07:43] <isidoro> Ubuntu 6.10 (The Edgy Eft): October 2006    today is october 2007 what's new?
[07:44] <uga> lol
[07:44] <kRush> wtf?
[07:44] <uga> somebody must update that list =)
[07:44] <Dr_willis> Darkstriker,  that is VERY weird..  the logon screen is using the same X config.
[07:44] <Darkstriker> im busy on the nvidia drivers
[07:44] <uga> isidoro: gutsy isn't out yet
[07:44] <uga> isidoro: but will be out pretty soon
[07:44] <uga> feisty is the last release
[07:44] <Darkstriker> gutsy isnt out thats why we are here
[07:45] <uga> Darkstriker: so get popcorn, make coffee and be patient =)
[07:45] <isidoro> work work development development ....
[07:45] <Darkstriker> Dr_willis thats what i tough when i rebooted this time ebcause before both used to be screwed but all of a sudden the login isnt anymore...
[07:45] <Darkstriker> ill get the nvidia drivers and reboot in a sec
[07:45] <Darkstriker> see what ahppens..
[07:46] <Dr_willis> i would have to say.. get the nvida drivers going first.. then troubleshoot
[07:46] <Dr_willis> Oh.. with a DUAL monitor setup i had that issue also.. i rember now
[07:46] <Darkstriker> yeah but some1 before said it was about x not detecting my monitor correctly..
[07:46] <Dr_willis> You not on a dual monitor config?
[07:46] <Darkstriker> yeah i used dual but the live cd wouldnt even boot so i now use this monitor on my server which is how i chat
[07:47] <Darkstriker> can u use dual monitor now??? could u fix it?
[07:47] <templar^> any XGL experts in here?
[07:48] <uga> Darkstriker: wouldn't boot?
[07:48] <nopitos> I've upgraded to beta ubuntu and my firefox stopped working. I've read a bug report regarding this, but none of the solutions worked. Any idea?
[07:48] <uga> Darkstriker: or you couldn't see any graphics
[07:48] <Dr_willis> I use dual monitors for the last 3+ years under linux
[07:49] <Dr_willis> on nvidia systems they can be 'weird' UNTILL you install the nvidia drivers
[07:49] <uga> Dr_willis: weird as in "black"? =)
[07:49] <Darkstriker> OMFG
[07:49] <Darkstriker> now
[07:49] <Darkstriker> the nvidia drivers completely screwed it man
[07:49] <Dr_willis> weird as in the Desktop defaulted to the TV. not the main monitor...
[07:49] <Dr_willis> :)
[07:49] <Darkstriker> my geee
[07:50] <templar^> Ive installed gutsy and xserver-xgl (for my ati card) but when i go to restart X in XGL it just hangs after the login and restarts xserver until i remove XGL again, anyone have any ideas?
[07:50] <Creationist> nopitos: Have you tried reinstalling firefox?
[07:50] <Dr_willis> or I got GDM on monitor #2, but login and get monitor #1 as the desktop.. and console shows up only on #2  ect...
[07:50] <nopitos> Creationist: reinstalling. changing theme.
[07:50] <kyja> I have noticed a few dialog boxes where the "close" button does not function. this is usually when something like the movie player cant find a codec after a search. or some other things
[07:50] <Dr_willis> The new Xconfig thing under Gutsy does help however.
[07:50] <Creationist> nopitos: How about removing with the --purge flag?
[07:50] <nopitos> Creationist: let me try this.
[07:51] <Creationist> nopitos: And what errors or messages does it throw when you try to start Firefox from a terminal?
[07:51] <Darkstriker> wtf??? i get lines all over the screen once i login and he fixes my refreshrate at 50 which isnt compatible with my monitor and now my monitor has gone black
[07:51] <nopitos> Creationist: marcelo@marcelo:/usr/lib/firefox$ firefox
[07:51] <nopitos> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[07:51] <Creationist> Darkstriker: For some reason, nVidia drivers screw everything up for me in Gutsy too.
[07:51] <nopitos> Creationist: I'll try purging, I will show you more information.
[07:51] <Dr_willis> it may be theres some odd bugs with your card.
[07:52] <Creationist> nopitos: Haha, that error message belongs on a Windows box... very informative ;)
[07:52] <Darkstriker> 7900gt
[07:52] <Dr_willis> my 8800gts. (dual monitor) was off positioned. untill i ran the restricted-drivers tool. and installed the nvidia drivers/rebooted.
[07:52] <Darkstriker> wouldnt see why there should be any
[07:52] <scizzo-> I am using dual monitors on nvidia and samsung monitors
[07:52] <nopitos> Creationist: marcelo@marcelo:/usr/lib/firefox$ ./firefox-bin
[07:52] <nopitos> ./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[07:52] <Dr_willis> now i just cant seem to get GDM to show up on the proper monitor. :)
[07:52] <Creationist> Dr_willis: Is a complete reboot required?  Or can I just restart X?
[07:52] <Dr_willis> I rebooted just tobe safe. since there was other updates also
[07:53] <Creationist> nopitos: That means it can't find one of your plugins.
[07:53] <uga> Creationist: you mean gutsy drivers or nvidia's own
[07:53] <Dr_willis> speaking of updates.... heh..
[07:53] <Creationist> uga: The Gutsy drivers.
[07:53] <Dr_willis> I only use the repo-drivers..
[07:53] <nopitos> nopitos: I've purged and installing again, let's see how it goes.
[07:53] <uga> Creationist: ahk. I removed the packages and installed nvidia's installer. All smooth and working
[07:53] <Creationist> Dr_willis: Same here... lots of problems with it though.  Both nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new
[07:54] <Dr_willis> Creationist,  i can say.. no problem here other thne  a few little thangs.
[07:54] <Darkstriker> i really get lines all over the placeomg...
[07:54] <Darkstriker> very strange..
[07:54] <Creationist> Dr_willis, uga: Doesn't matter which drivers I use, I can't change resolution or refresh rates.  It just says it's "Trying the new settings" but it doesn't actually change anything.
[07:54] <Darkstriker> but the problem with the mouse not fitted to the position of the displayis gone....
[07:54] <uga> Creationist: did you try setting those manually?
[07:55] <uga> in xorg.conf
[07:55] <Creationist> Scratch that... it let me go down to 340x220 or whatever it is.
[07:55] <Creationist> lol
[07:55] <Creationist> uga: No.
[07:55] <Darkstriker> sudo su
[07:55] <Darkstriker> sry
[07:55] <Darkstriker> wrong keyboard
[07:55] <ompaul> !sudo | Darkstriker  (you should know better ;-) )
[07:55] <ubotu> Darkstriker  (you should know better ;-) ): sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:55] <uga> Creationist: check under Section "Monitor"
[07:56] <uga> Creationist: there's two parameters. HorizSync and VertRefresh
[07:56] <uga> you can set those ranges according to your monitor's manual
[07:56] <Creationist> uga: That assumes I can FIND my monitor's manual ;)
[07:56] <uga> 50.6-80.5 for example
[07:56] <uga> Creationist: heh =)
[07:57] <nopitos> Creationist: no deal. purged everything and reinstalled. same error.
[07:57] <ompaul> Creationist, take model number shove it into something like google.com (maybe even google) and see what comes back
[07:57] <nopitos> Creationist: it is searching the lib in the correct place.
[07:58] <Creationist> nopitos: Did you try removing that lib?  Purging means deleting the ~/.mozilla directory.
[07:58] <nopitos> Creationist: firefox -safe-mode is good. :)
[08:00] <nopitos> Creationist: now it worked. --safe is nice :)
[08:00] <Creationist> nopitos: It's a problem with that plugin, though.  Delete the plugin and try in normal mode.
[08:00] <nopitos> Creationist: yeah, you're right, thanks.
[08:01] <Creationist> uga: Okay, I'm not seeing the HorizSync and VertRefresh in my xorg.conf
[08:01] <MTecknology> Is ubuntu going to be released with 2.2.0 or 2.2.1 of pidgin?
[08:01] <Creationist> uga: Just several lines like this: modeline  "1400x1050@75" 155.85 1400 1496 1648 1896 1050 1051 1054 1096 -hsync +vsync
[08:01] <Slart> MTecknology: check the release calendar for the freeze date.. I'm guessing it will be 2.2.0
[08:01] <MTecknology> lol - nevermind
[08:02] <Amaranth> MTecknology: why?
[08:02] <MTecknology> Slart, I'm doing upgrades for the day now - it's getting 2.2.1
[08:02] <MTecknology> Amaranth, I was just curious
[08:02] <Slart> MTecknology: then I revise my guess.. I'm guessing 2.2.1 now =)
[08:02] <MTecknology> I use pidgin, firefox, and thunderbird - I have a fat32 partition for the profiles
[08:03] <Amaranth> MTecknology: 2.2.1 is obviously going to be better than 2.2.0, is that your reasoning? :)
[08:03] <templar^> sorry to be a pest but no one has heard of any XGL issues with compiz and gutsy?
[08:04] <Slart> Amaranth: 2.2.0 had a security flaw that allowed a remote user to crash pidgin.. 2.2.1 was almost just a fix for that.. afaik
[08:04] <Amaranth> Slart: No, 2.2.1 was like 70 thousand lines of code changed
[08:04] <Amaranth> from 2.2.0
[08:04] <Slart> oh.. that big a change?
[08:04] <Amaranth> always is
[08:04] <Amaranth> pidgin is horrible
[08:04] <MTecknology> Amaranth, not really - b/c windows and linux are using the same profiles for those things, I want to keep everything on the same version
[08:04] <Slart> I thought they just changed the msn-protocol thingy
[08:05] <MTecknology> what makes pidgin horrible?
[08:05] <Amaranth> Everything
[08:05] <uga> Creationist: do you see "Section "Monitor""?
[08:05] <Slart> the name? no recursion, no mentioning gnu anywhere... and it sounds like a bird :)
[08:06] <hylje> granted it has a purple pigeon for a logo
[08:06] <uga> Creationist: http://rafb.net/p/H0PlOO47.html
[08:06] <uga> ouch, too late
[08:06] <Amaranth> No GNOME integration, poor release management, useless library (only useful for making a new pidgin)
[08:09] <buz_> i'm trying to get gnash to play youtube videos. but it just sits there, spinning some dots around
[08:09] <buz_> according to http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-474596.html it should ask me to install gstreamer plugins but does nothing of that sort
[08:12] <MTeck_> MTecknology, go away... :D
[08:12] <MTecknology> Amaranth, if you gave me any reasons - i didn't get them
[08:13] <MTecknology> could you please repeat?
[08:13] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: hey... did you get your stylus working.
[08:13] <MTecknology> nosrednaekim, yup
[08:13] <nosrednaekim> cool
[08:13] <Amaranth> MTecknology: No GNOME integration, poor release management, useless library (only useful for making a new pidgin)
[08:14] <MTecknology> same as 7.04... I wouldn't even expect it to ever be built into ubuntu - not much user base for it
[08:14] <MTecknology> nosrednaekim, ^^^
[08:14] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: hey... file a bug... they'll fix it
[08:17] <MTecknology> nosrednaekim, maybe when I have time - It's not so much that xorg.conf file that needs changing - that much would be easy - but i need to install an fpit driver, whcih would be extra space on the CD, and I also recompile two parts of it
[08:17] <MTecknology> actually - somebody else did the recompile and I haven't got around to doing it myself
[08:17] <nosrednaekim> heh
[08:19] <MTecknology> I could file a bug and make sure it's marked as low priority maybe
[08:22] <MTecknology> Darkstriker, why do you want a DCC CHAT connection open?
[08:23] <Darkstriker> no i was just trien chatzilla..
[08:23] <MTecknology> o - lol
[08:23] <Darkstriker> got no clue what taht meant..
[08:23] <Darkstriker> and wouldnt work anyways cause it displays my hamachi ip
[08:23] <MTecknology> me either
[08:24] <Darkstriker> im now updating my ubuntu and i hope that fixes the lot..
[08:24] <Darkstriker> but i got my doubts..
[08:24] <MTecknology> Darkstriker, all i know is dcc = direct client to client
[08:24] <Darkstriker> yeah
[08:24] <Darkstriker> thats what it says but the rest???
[08:24] <Darkstriker> probably gets around the irc server
[08:25] <MTecknology> dang - i need somebody to do my cobol for me - it's so monotonous and repetitive
[08:25] <Darkstriker> ?
[08:26] <MTecknology> we do some pointless crap - we should be at least 1/3 done w/ the book
[08:26] <Darkstriker> lol
[08:26] <MTecknology> we spend 1/2 the class learning HER standards
[08:26] <Darkstriker> rofl
[08:26] <MTecknology> instead of the standards in the book
[08:26] <Darkstriker> ^^
[08:28] <Darkstriker> btw..
[08:28] <Darkstriker> anybody knwo how to egt a mic working well under ubuntu?
[08:28] <nosrednaekim> Darkstriker: I only know how to on kubuntu.
[08:29] <Darkstriker> well i bet that doesnt work on ubuntu right?
[08:29] <nosrednaekim> Dark basically, find out which channel is the mic..
[08:29] <Darkstriker> k
[08:29] <nosrednaekim> well, what srong with the mic now?
[08:29] <nosrednaekim> *wrong
[08:29] <Darkstriker> well
[08:29] <Darkstriker> the sound is damn soft and it makes an irritating background noise it didnt use to make in windows
[08:30] <MTecknology> did you plug it all the way in - - sorry to ask
[08:30] <Darkstriker> yeah
[08:30] <Darkstriker> no change from windows :P
[08:30] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: turn on mic boost.
[08:30] <MTecknology> that's all i know :P
[08:30] <npurciful> whats up guys
[08:30] <MTecknology> I haven't tried my mic in linux yet - or windows
[08:31] <MTecknology> it's built into the screen
[08:31] <nosrednaekim> npurciful: not much
[08:31] <Darkstriker> ppl why is my damn login screen not screwed and my desktop is????
[08:31] <Darkstriker> im gettin really pissed right now...
[08:31] <MTecknology> !language > Darkstriker
[08:31] <MTecknology> did you change anything in your profile?
[08:31] <Darkstriker> no
[08:31] <Darkstriker> nothin
[08:32] <MTecknology> try logging in as a different user
[08:32] <MTecknology> hey - i gotta get homework done
[08:32] <Darkstriker> k cya round
[08:36] <cdm10> I can't get samba or USB drives to work in Gutsy.
[08:36] <cdm10> Everything worked fine in Feisty.
[08:36] <cdm10> Is this a known problem?
[08:38] <Darkstriker> ROFL
[08:38] <Darkstriker> not u sry
[08:38] <Darkstriker> but i jsut got my system to work by creating a new user..
[08:38] <Darkstriker> cause the old one is just screwed..
[08:38] <Darkstriker> big thanks to all who helped me on this one
[08:41] <IndyGunFreak> anyone else have problems with gparted not starting under gutsy?
[08:44] <IndyGunFreak> has anyone gotten gparted to work under gutsy?.... it just freezes at scanning devices
[08:44] <MTecknology> anybody wanna help me figure out how to get software to not crash in windows? ........ I hate this OS... I need to use it about 4hrs of my day - at least 3 of them overlap :)
[08:44] <riotkittie> IndyGunFreak:  you mean i'm not alone in that? :o
[08:45] <smacfarl> hey. So I just completed an install to 7.10 from 7.04, but I had a power failure in the middle of the fetch and so had to recover with a partial. How do I test if everything is ok?
[08:45] <IndyGunFreak> riotkittie: lol, apparently not.
[08:45] <IndyGunFreak> riotkittie: its not a huge deal to me i guess, i use a i downloaded partedmagic, and use it for partitioning, but it would be nice to not have to boot a live CD to examine partitions.
[08:45] <IndyGunFreak> qtparted works, but i hate it.
[08:45] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: #windows
[08:45] <riotkittie> oh wait. i havent tried it in the actual install.
[08:46] <MTecknology> nosrednaekim, i wasn't asking for help - i was complaining that I'm forced into using the os on occasion
[08:46] <IndyGunFreak> riotkittie: i have, it just "scanning all devices", and never starts... i unplugged everthing but my hard drive(ipod, external drives), and still no joy
[08:46] <riotkittie> MTecknology: the best way to avoid software crashing in windows, for some ... is really to just not turn windows on
[08:46] <nosrednaekim> MTecknology: :p
[08:47] <smacfarl> can gutsy play wma lossless and if not has anyone here converted wma lossless to flac?
[08:47] <MTecknology> riotkittie, I've had this convo b4 - many times... it's not feasible for me to never use it
[08:47] <MTecknology> two classes basically require I use it - and work requires it too
[08:47] <IndyGunFreak> lol its a windows world unfortunately.
[08:47] <MTecknology> !bug #1
[08:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[08:48] <riotkittie> MTecknology: are you having that prob on one machine, or does it span multiple boxes?
[08:48] <IndyGunFreak> but i only have a 20-25gig windows partition.... for my GPS device, which has no forseeable hope of working w/ Ubuntu
[08:48] <IndyGunFreak> !bug #2
[08:48] <MTecknology> riotkittie, ......v *hiccup* sta
[08:48] <MTecknology> long irritating story there too
[08:48] <riotkittie> oh. beasta.
[08:49] <MTecknology> it's horrible - it's raping my HD
[08:49] <IndyGunFreak> lol, raping your hd?..lol
[08:50] <IndyGunFreak> has anyone here used the partedmagic live CD, as opposed to gparted?
[08:50] <MTecknology> about 1/2 my HD is allocated to it... it's almost 4/5 full - Ubuntu has about 1/4 my HD and is using about... 4G or less of it
[08:50] <riotkittie> i... acquired a copy, and put it on my husband's box. it only took 3 days before he begged me to get rid of it because it was so unstable
[08:50] <nnonix> Did a dist-upgrade yesterday (morning) and my ethernet interface was immediately unusable. eth0 shows up under ifconfig (with no ip) but dhclient says it doesn't exist when I try to renw. Additionally, syslog shows Network Manager dropping the connection saying it is no longer valid. Any similar issues in beta-land?
[08:50] <smacfarl> where's the best place to go for 7.10 docs
[08:51] <IndyGunFreak> riotkittie: a copy of what?
[08:51] <riotkittie> beasta.
[08:51] <IndyGunFreak> wats tat?
[08:51] <riotkittie> window's most recent os :P
[08:51] <riotkittie> now he's eyeballing my gutsy install. but i know he'll never ever ever ever use linux
[08:51] <smacfarl> vista then
[08:51] <npurciful> huh, the encrypt full disk disapeared on gusty  alt-install
[08:52] <IndyGunFreak> riotkittie: lol, oh, vista
[08:52] <IndyGunFreak> i've only messed wit it at Best Buy, which hardly gives me the right to make an informed opinion, but i'll assume its like just about everything else out of redmond.
[08:52] <innovati> new intel iMac, will it run kubuntu 7.10 out of the box or will there be a modified package coming out to better suit it
[08:52] <smacfarl> Are there 7.10 docs yet? Anybody know?
[08:53] <nosrednaekim> innovati: gutsy should work on it.
[08:53] <innovati> :-) I can't wait to install it then
[08:54] <MTecknology> Microsoft defines an operating system as a piece of software that should have everything integrated into a single closed source and insecure system in which should have the right to force the end user to agree to bogus EULA's and thusly, allow the manufacturer to gain more revenue by not allowing the system to run on current hardware.
[08:54] <innovati> thanks, I'm out for now
[08:55] <MTecknology> This definition is prevelant in it's newest release Windows Vista. It also appears that Microsoft is further defining OS as a system that should NOT, under ANY circumstances, be user friendly
[08:55] <npurciful> lol
[08:56] <MTecknology> seriously.... try IIS7
[08:56] <wasabi> Where abouts do we blacklist certain modules these days?
[08:57] <nosrednaekim>  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[08:57] <wasabi> Thanks!
[08:58] <smacfarl> So 7.10 docs? Any takers. Noob wants to RTFM, just needs pointer to manuals.
[08:58] <nosrednaekim> smacfarl: manuals for what?
[08:58] <smacfarl> what changed? What's new? What should I be testing? How can I verify what i have?
[08:59] <disasm> how's gutsy coming along? Anything I should be looking forward to from a sysadmin perspective?
[08:59] <wasabi> And does the initramfs not include modules listed in blacklist?
[08:59] <wasabi> In fact where does the initramfs decide to include any sata modules. Can't seem to find it.
[09:00] <nosrednaekim> !releasedocs
[09:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about releasedocs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:00] <smacfarl> nosrednaekim: So will I be able to answer any of those questions, or are there no real docs on that yet, and if there aren't can I help write them.
[09:00] <disasm> wasabi: /etc/initramfs-tools/modules is the location in feisty, I don't think that changed
[09:01] <wasabi> ahh hah
[09:01] <nosrednaekim> smacfarl: search the wiki, and if you can't find the answers.. sure.. write away :)
[09:01] <MTecknology> smacfarl, there should be docs already on the system actually
[09:02] <MTecknology> idk the package they come with
[09:02] <smacfarl> right searching for gutsy and 7.10 turns up no results what is the search tag i need to find info?
[09:02] <MTecknology> probably something like ubuntu-manual
[09:02] <MTecknology> there's a whole part of your file system for docs... and I can't tell ya b/c I'm using **** atm
[09:03] <smacfarl> MTecknology: One would thing the phrase "what's new in gutsy" would return a page on the wiki or in google even.
[09:04] <smacfarl> I mean someone has to be working on a 7.10 right? So who are they and how do I help them?
[09:04] <smacfarl> 7.10 tab on the wiki
[09:05] <MTecknology> smacfarl, I can name off a crap load that I've encountered personally... two of them were things that - when upgrading - i said to myself... i'm gonna crap myself is this bs even works
[09:05] <MTecknology> and they did - off the bat :D
[09:06] <smacfarl> MTecknology: So what broke? Shouldn't we be reporting this somewhere and therefore should we be able to view the reports somehow? Maybe I'm just too noobish to understand how this is supposed to work?
[09:06] <puma> under 7.10 beta,my K-menu doesn't work
[09:06] <sulo> Hi, how do you change keymap in console in ubuntu 7.10?
[09:07] <nosrednaekim> puma: what does it do?
[09:07] <MTecknology> smacfarl, i reported one bug that wound up being a dup under different circumstances
[09:08] <riotkittie> sulo: does sudo loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/...  not work?
[09:08] <sulo> riotkittie I don't know... trying now
[09:08] <riotkittie> if it does, its only temporary. i forgot how i made it permanent when i had to change mine
[09:09] <sulo> riotkittie  hmmm. /usr/share/keymaps is empty
[09:09] <riotkittie> ho hum. let me reboot
[09:09] <MTecknology> aside from that - two things that weren't working right in 7.04 work perfect in 7.10 - including printing to a pain in the ass printer... one thing i don't expect to ever be fixed b/c of the low user base, and another isn't an issue now
[09:09] <Vorbote> sulo, doesn't "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" work for you?
[09:10] <sulo> Vorbote: trying...
[09:12] <Darkstriker> ppl
[09:12] <Darkstriker> i am trying to install beryl and the ./configure checks several things and then returns the error: "C compiler cannot create executables"
[09:13] <Darkstriker> any ideas?
[09:13] <MTecknology> NO BERYL!!
[09:13] <Darkstriker> ?!
[09:13] <MTecknology> cmpizfusion
[09:13] <sulo> Vorbote. I think that did it. Thanks!
[09:13] <Darkstriker> what exactly is the difference?
[09:13] <MTecknology> it comes installed
[09:13] <Darkstriker> k
[09:13] <Darkstriker> how to use?
[09:13] <Darkstriker> ??
[09:13] <Tomcat_> Why would anyone still use Beryl? o_O
[09:14] <Tomcat_> It's a bit old these days. :)
[09:14] <Darkstriker> still?
[09:14] <Darkstriker> lol?
[09:14] <sulo> I find it a bit strange that ^D and ^L doesn't work in the terminal in Ubuntu
[09:14] <MTecknology> Tomcat_, news travels slow?
[09:14] <riotkittie> how bizarre
[09:14] <Darkstriker> k how to get cmpizfusion to work then?
[09:14] <puma> anyone use 690G?
[09:14] <MTecknology> Darkstriker, beryl's been dead since may ish
[09:15] <MTecknology> Darkstriker, CompizFusion
[09:15] <MTecknology> System > Preferences > GL Desktop
[09:15] <jerpes> Daemonik, compiz fusion is a merge of compiz and beryl
[09:15] <MTecknology> if you have ATI - you might have some issues
[09:15] <jerpes> Daemonik, go to the restricted-manager and enable the driver first
[09:15] <Darkstriker> i dont see the gl desktop thingy
[09:16] <MTecknology> is it called GL Desktop or Desktop effects?
[09:16] <MTecknology> I'm not in linux yet
[09:16] <Tomcat_> In gutsy it's just "Appearance".
[09:16] <MTecknology> the restricted-manager is in system>administration
[09:16] <puma> Checking for Xgl: not present.
[09:16] <puma> No whitelisted driver found
[09:16] <puma> aborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity
[09:16] <Darkstriker> thx thats there :P
[09:16] <nosrednaekim> Darkstriker: are you running kubuntu?
[09:17] <MTecknology> I just use ccsm to manage everything
[09:17] <Darkstriker> nope just normal ubuntu
[09:17] <Darkstriker> lolso funny that stuff :P
[09:18] <Darkstriker> is taht 3d cube in there as well and if how to get it?
[09:18] <puma> typed in terminal I got the above
[09:18] <puma> why?
[09:18] <nosrednaekim> puma: you need XGL
[09:19] <nosrednaekim> puma: as well as the offical ATI drivers
[09:19] <MTecknology> time to get back into linux!!
[09:19] <jerpes> Daemonik, you enable the gfx driver in restricted manager ?
[09:19] <jerpes> Darkstriker, ^^
[09:20] <Darkstriker> yeah..
[09:20] <puma> give me a Link plz.
[09:20] <Darkstriker> i got everythin to worko.O
[09:20] <nosrednaekim> pumfor what? the ati drivers?
[09:20] <jerpes> Daemonik, go to system -> perferences -> Apperence
[09:20] <jerpes> :S
[09:20] <jerpes> Darkstriker, ^^
[09:20] <puma> yeah
[09:20] <Darkstriker> jerpes how to egt the 3d cube?
[09:20] <jerpes> Darkstriker, ctl + alt + click
[09:21] <jerpes> Darkstriker, you need to enable the cube first
[09:21] <Darkstriker> how?
[09:22] <puma> amd64 beta. no 3D at all.
[09:22] <Darkstriker> o.O
[09:22] <nosrednaekim> puma: use the restricted-manager to install the ati driver.
[09:22] <Darkstriker> nooooo
[09:22] <Darkstriker> no 3d on amd64 beta????
[09:22] <smallfoot-> i look forward to gutsy gibbon :)
[09:22] <jerpes> Darkstriker, apperence then go to desktop effects and select full
[09:23] <Darkstriker> there is no desktop effects at my screen only visual effects and tehre the highest one i can choose is extra since i dont know what to do with custom...maybe u ca explain
[09:25] <sulo> Hi, how do I change the keymap in gdm?
[09:26] <jerpes> Darkstriker, install compizconfig-settings-manager
[09:26] <Darkstriker> with add/remove or just download?
[09:26] <jerpes> synaptic :)
[09:26] <jerpes> add/remove can also do the job i think
[09:27] <jerpes> never used it
[09:27] <Darkstriker> synaptic???
[09:27] <Darkstriker> never heard that before..
[09:27] <Darkstriker> ;)
[09:27] <_sidd> Darkstriker: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[09:28] <jerpes> Darkstriker, synaptic is a package manager like add/remove just less bloated, its in system -> adminstrative
[09:28] <puma> Restricted Driver is working(ATI accelerated graphics driver in use), how to open 3D?
[09:29] <jerpes> Darkstriker, btw update your system, new compiz version is out
[09:29] <Darkstriker> k jerpes i entered that line he asked for my passowrd and then he did nothing...for what im concerned.... what supposed to ahppen?
[09:29] <jerpes> Darkstriker, you installed the program compizconfig-settings-manager
[09:29] <Darkstriker> and what can i do with it?
[09:29] <Sergemine> Hi Guys, what's the Gutsy Beta Live Session login and password? It is very strange that it has to be typed in.
[09:30] <jerpes> Darkstriker, now in system -> preference -> advanced desktop effects you can configure compiz and cube
[09:30] <_sidd> puma: System -> Preferences -> Appearance
[09:30] <Darkstriker> where do u see advanced desktop??? i cant find it...
[09:30] <jerpes> Darkstriker, system -> Preferences
[09:31] <Darkstriker> need reboot?
[09:31] <jerpes> no
[09:31] <jerpes> this is not windows ;)
[09:31] <Darkstriker> then its just not there
[09:31] <Darkstriker> yeah i realize
[09:31] <jerpes> hmm
[09:31] <jerpes> Darkstriker, install compizconfig-settings-manager with the add/remove
[09:32] <Darkstriker> 'there is no matching application availible'
[09:32] <puma> jerpes : no response
[09:32] <jerpes> Darkstriker, in system -> Administrative open synaptic and install compizconfig-settings-manager
[09:32] <jerpes> puma, <_sidd> puma: System -> Preferences -> Appearance
[09:33] <Darkstriker> that one doesnt want to start o.O
[09:33] <jerpes> puma, there is a tab with visual effects
[09:33] <Sergemine> Anyone got prompted to type login and password in 7.10 Beta Live ???
[09:33] <puma> I can't change anything, it stopped.
[09:33] <jerpes> Sergemine, alt+ctl+del, X restarts and it logs in after 10 secs
[09:33] <Darkstriker> nope u shouldnt be
[09:33] <Darkstriker> promted
[09:34] <jerpes> puma, alt + ctl + del
[09:34] <jerpes> puma, you need to do that after you install the ATI driver
[09:34] <nosrednaekim> puma: run "apt-get install xserver-xgl compiz"
[09:35] <Sergemine> jerpes, thank you
[09:35] <jerpes> Sergemine, np
[09:35] <puma> you mean the official one from AMD web?
[09:35] <Darkstriker> no the included one
[09:35] <nosrednaekim> and "apt-get install emerald"
[09:35] <jerpes> puma, the one in restricted-manager but do what nosrednaekim said
[09:35] <puma> I did
[09:36] <nosrednaekim> you installed xgl?
[09:37] <puma> I have Emerald theme manager
[09:38] <puma> how can I install xgl?
 puma: run "apt-get install xserver-xgl compiz"
[09:38] <nosrednaekim> puma: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl"
[09:39] <Darkstriker> ok
[09:39] <Darkstriker> now i got another prob
[09:40] <nosrednaekim> yeah?
[09:40] <Darkstriker> well i sort fo cant get into admin mode anymore o.O
[09:40] <Darkstriker> or root mode for taht matter
[09:41] <puma> I finished sudo. Yet?
[09:41] <Darkstriker> and most of the links in the administration menu are gone
[09:41] <puma> Xgl server setup changed
[09:41] <puma> The Xgl server will now be started automatically next time you login.  It is no longer necessary to use any special X session to start Xgl, and such sessions will likely fail to work properly.  Please select a regular session from your session manager next time you log in.  To disable Xgl autostart for this user, create a file named ~/.config/xserver-xgl/disable
[09:41] <Darkstriker> so how do i make a user admin via terminal?
[09:41] <jerpes> puma hit alt + ctl + del
[09:41] <puma> thanks. I am trying
[09:42] <jerpes> Darkstriker, you dont make a user admin
[09:42] <Darkstriker> well
[09:42] <puma> no response
[09:42] <jerpes> puma,  login and log out
[09:42] <jerpes> Darkstriker, does your sudo not work or what?
[09:42] <Darkstriker> sort ofyes
[09:42] <jerpes> Darkstriker, you need to explain your situation a little better
[09:42] <Darkstriker> thats waht it reutrn when i run somethin which need administartional rights
[09:42] <Darkstriker> ie root
[09:43] <jerpes> it returned sort of yes?
[09:43] <Darkstriker> sec ill get u the exact message in a sec
[09:45] <Darkstriker> 'failed to run users-admin as user root'
[09:45] <Darkstriker> that swhat it says
[09:45] <MTecknology> How can I change the name of a printer I set up? I did dsu_Higbie - but I want DSU_Higbie
[09:45] <Darkstriker> is that because i put a password on root?
[09:45] <disasm> i did a search on ubuntu's site and came up with this: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe5 - is that the closest thing we have to release notes so far? If so, no big deal, I'll be installing it on a test machine, just was curious before setting up the machine if there are any really cool reasons to upgrade
[09:46] <jerpes> Darkstriker, that should not affect sudo
[09:46] <jerpes> Darkstriker, you are normal user?
[09:46] <Darkstriker> yes
[09:47] <Xero> disasm, the new dialogs are fun.
[09:47] <ericus> I've just updated to gutsy, and now XGL is messing with me
[09:47] <ericus> everything is really lagging
[09:47] <disasm> Xero: dialogs? for what?
[09:47] <nosrednaekim> ericus: what video card do you have?
[09:47] <ericus> ATI
[09:47] <ericus> radeon 9550
[09:47] <Xero> disasm, just in general better-looking dialogs.
[09:47] <nosrednaekim> ericus: do you have the official drivers installed?
[09:47] <ericus> I want to disable this
[09:47] <Xero> The Fonts/Desktop Effects/Wallpaper have all been integrated into one Appearance Settings dialog.
[09:47] <ericus> nosrednaekim, the proprietary?
[09:48] <nosrednaekim> ericus: yeah
[09:48] <ericus> i've tried both
[09:48] <jerpes> ericus, wait to next driver release (should be soon now) with aigxl support
[09:48] <ericus> so yes
[09:48] <ericus> i cant wait
[09:48] <nosrednaekim> ericus: run "sudo apt-get remove xserver-xgl"
[09:48] <ericus> my computer have become almost unusable
[09:48] <ericus> wont that cause me more trouble?
[09:49] <puma> thanks to nosred...m
[09:49] <nosrednaekim> ericus: nope.
[09:49] <Xero> ericus, if you can live without Compiz, no.
[09:49] <nosrednaekim> puma: got it working?
[09:49] <puma> yes.LOL
[09:49] <ericus> i can live without it
[09:49] <ericus> for now
[09:49] <nosrednaekim> puma: sweet
[09:49] <disasm> Xero: ah, I was looking for changes more in the area of affecting system administration, such as init scripts that boot fine in an ldap/nfs environment during network issues, better recovery from NFS home directory disconnects, etc...
[09:49] <puma> but pc run a bit slower
[09:49] <ericus> now its removed
[09:49] <nosrednaekim> puma: now, whatever you do, don't disable desktop icons.. ;)
[09:49] <ericus> then ctrl + backspace and login again?
[09:50] <jerpes> btw is the whales in cube plugin removed?
[09:50] <nosrednaekim> ericus: log out properly..
[09:50] <ericus> okay, thank you!
[09:50] <Darkstriker> argh...the add/remove button is gone as well...
[09:50] <nosrednaekim> and THEN ctrl+alt+bkspce
[09:50] <puma> try to learn setting rest
[09:50] <Darkstriker> how can i get that falg on that user which allows him to administer the systeM?
[09:50] <jerpes> aaarrrgggg
[09:50] <puma> thank you jerpes
[09:50] <jerpes> its alt+ctl backspace
[09:51] <Darkstriker> and then?
[09:51] <puma> how to show Cube?
[09:51] <disasm> Darkstriker: boot single user (the recovery kernel in grub) run visudo as root.
[09:52] <Darkstriker> k
[09:52] <Xero> visudo? Like vim+sudo?
[09:52] <Xero> Yuck. Emacs emacs emacs.
[09:52] <nosrednaekim> puma: ctrl+alt+ arrow keys
[09:52] <jerpes> Darkstriker, terminal type su and then your root password
[09:52] <puma> no Cube yet
[09:53] <Xero> puma, sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[09:53] <jerpes> why isnt compizconfig-settings-manager installed by default? universe?
[09:54] <Darkstriker> question what shouldi do once i have run visudo?
[09:54] <puma> I ready got Emerald installed,
[09:54] <puma> does it workable?
[09:55] <jerpes> Darkstriker, have you rebootet?
[09:55] <jerpes> s/t/d
[09:55] <Darkstriker> yes im in visudo right now
[09:55] <puma> ok, follow what you told
[09:55] <Xero> The Wubi installation on my mom's laptop can't use find in GRUB.
[09:56] <jerpes> Darkstriker, close visudo, and type su then startx
[09:56] <puma> finished. then?
[09:56] <disasm> Xero: visudo uses editor set in /etc/alternatives
[09:57] <Darkstriker> one sec... how??? it says ^O to write out or whatever how to do that?
[09:57] <nosrednaekim> puma: what did you do? get the config manager?
[09:57] <jerpes> puma, go to the advanced dekstop effects in System -> Perferences and enable cube and cube reflection
[09:57] <Darkstriker> got it
[09:57] <nosrednaekim> jerpes: I think he is running kubuntu.
[09:57] <disasm> Darkstriker: got it as in fixed?
[09:58] <Darkstriker> got it as in im in x now..
[09:58] <Darkstriker> whoot
[09:58] <jerpes> Darkstriker, then start users-admin
[09:58] <Darkstriker> 'you are not allowed to access the system configuratio' o.O
[09:58] <Darkstriker> as root
[09:59] <jerpes> Darkstriker, System -> Administration -> Users and groups
[10:00] <disasm> Darkstriker: well in visudo there should be a line %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL if that's not there add it. also do adduser <user> admin to put <user> in the admin group
[10:00] <Darkstriker> yeah just that returns the message i jsut posted
[10:00] <jerpes> hmm
[10:00] <jerpes> Darkstriker, open a terminal and type "sudo users-admin"
[10:01] <Darkstriker> same results...
[10:01] <jerpes> disasm, how could that line be removed?
[10:01] <disasm> jerpes: isn't the problem he can't use sudo?
[10:01] <jerpes> yes
[10:01] <disasm> jerpes: well, it shouldn't have been, it's possible it could have though
[10:01] <Darkstriker> yep
[10:02] <jerpes> but root has problems too
[10:02] <disasm> Darkstriker: are you root right now?
[10:02] <Darkstriker> secjust rebooted..
[10:03] <Darkstriker> k
[10:03] <Darkstriker> now root can open users-admin again thx pplz
[10:03] <disasm> glad to hear it
[10:04] <Darkstriker> k i got my user fixed as well i hope
[10:05] <Darkstriker> k now we can get back to compizconfig
[10:05] <Darkstriker> :P
[10:05] <Darkstriker> THXXXX
[10:05] <bjwebb> hi
[10:06] <puma> how to start Cube?
[10:06] <jerpes> puma, alt + ctl + mouse botton
[10:07] <Darkstriker> now he doesnt download o.O
[10:07] <disasm> puma: as in the 3D FPS? I think you need to download data files separately
[10:07] <puma> nothing happened
[10:08] <DM|> omg i updated to gutsy and everything is broken lol, unexpected, usually it goes quite smooth
[10:09] <Darkstriker> ^^
[10:09] <disasm> DM|: lol ;-) didn't you read the disclaimer?
[10:09] <DM|> ok so sound first
[10:09] <DM|> disasm ive been a ubuntu user for 3 years, i know the disclaimer, you didnt read all of what i typed
[10:09] <Darkstriker> what did it say??? like nothin will work in ehre or what?
[10:10] <disasm> DM|: you did say unexpected, so what's wrong with your sound?
[10:10] <DM|> disasm ill get the error hold on
[10:10] <puma> ctrl+alt+xxx,nothing happened to start Cube
[10:10] <DM|> disasm No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. and....
[10:10] <disasm> DM|: do you see the module in lsmod|grep snd?
[10:11] <jerpes> puma, did you enable the cube plugin in advanced desktop effects
[10:11] <disasm> oh, cube is a 3d affect ;-)
[10:11] <puma> in compizConfig i didi
[10:11] <disasm> i'm guessing similar to apple's cube it does when switching users
[10:11] <jerpes> puma, and is the 3d desktop working?
[10:12] <puma> how to judge jerpes?
[10:12] <Darkstriker> crtl alt click
[10:12] <jerpes> puma, menus fade?
[10:12] <Darkstriker> right?
[10:12] <jerpes> Darkstriker, yes
[10:12] <DM|> disasm http://pastebin.com/m13440853
[10:13] <puma> i was setting compizconfig
[10:13] <jerpes> puma, alt + f2 type "compiz --replace &"
[10:14] <DM|> disasm oh and anytime i click something i get a crash report lol
[10:14] <puma> & what..
[10:14] <Darkstriker> very nice
[10:14] <feierfox> hey ho!
[10:15] <Darkstriker> but i g2g to bed so ill see u guys around another time =)
[10:15] <bjwebb> is getting "kernel BUG" in dmesg a very bad thing?
[10:15] <Darkstriker> my moms mad at me cause i was sick today already not its 10pm and i gotta sleep..
[10:15] <Darkstriker> she says atelast :P
[10:15] <Darkstriker> so gn8 to everyone and a bi THANKS to all those who helped me =)
[10:17] <disasm> DM|: my route to pastebin is down lol ;-)
[10:18] <disasm> DM|: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/
[10:18] <riotkittie> partitions make my head hurt. :|
[10:19] <DM|> disasm http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/564/
[10:19] <disasm> DM|: no module loaded, output of lspci
[10:19] <DM|> disasm http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/565/
[10:20] <DM|> wireless isnt working either
[10:20] <DM|> im at a loss
[10:21] <ReL1K> wow nice sleu of updates today :)
[10:21] <disasm> DM|: ick... googles down ;-) I think that's an hda driver card... try modprobe snd-hda-intel
[10:22] <DM|> FATAL: Module snd_hda_inte not found.
[10:22] <DM|> FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found.
[10:22] <disasm> DM|: add an l
[10:22] <disasm> ah k
[10:22] <DM|> i keep getting crash reports too
[10:22] <mikubuntu> me three
[10:22] <DM|> pretty much anything i want to click on in the panel
[10:22] <Pusur> Anyone else experiencing problems with Azeurus?
[10:23] <disasm> hmmm... I don't have a gutsy machine to play with, and google is down right now, maybe todays the day to upgrade home machine to gutsy ;-)
[10:23] <puma> what does it mean "none" for button"?
[10:23] <nosrednaekim> puma: it means it doesn't have a shortcut
[10:23] <puma> sad. no Cube yet
[10:23] <mikubuntu> anyone else having major screen rendering problems?  like funky split screen, two cursors, etc...?
[10:24] <Pusur> Is it just me that is experiencing problems with Azeurus? Would be nice to know if this is just me, or if I should submit a bug report
[10:24] <DM|> disasm any idea?
[10:24] <mikubuntu> i keep hoping the updates will provide a frix, cuz i can't be the only one with this experience ...
[10:25] <disasm> DM|: for wireless, try modprobe iwp2200
[10:25] <disasm> err ipw2200
[10:25] <mikubuntu> screen resolution down to 600 x 4oo or so ... arrrrgghhhhh
[10:25] <disasm> i take that back
[10:25] <DM|> disasm FATAL: Module iwp2200 not found.
[10:25] <disasm> ipw3945
[10:26] <DM|> same,
[10:26] <disasm> ok, uname -r
[10:26] <DM|> 2.6.22-12-386 , hmm 386 wtf
[10:26] <DM|> i keep updateing and updating.. my god, 3 days now
[10:27] <disasm> apt-get install linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic
[10:27] <rothchil1> Pusur there's a bug in azureus
[10:27] <DM|> why would i go back a kernel
[10:27] <Vorbote> disasm, "apt-get install linux-generic" that'll pull everything you need.
[10:28] <disasm> errr, sorry, apt-cache search brought that up, hold on one sec
[10:28] <rothchil1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/57875
[10:28] <disasm> linux-image-2.6.22-12-generic
[10:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 57875 in azureus "Azureus hangs or crashes showing splash screen at start" [High,Confirmed] 
[10:28] <DM|> looks like todays update will be installing a new kernel hold on
[10:28] <DM|> 4 m left
[10:28] <Xero> bear.
[10:31] <disasm> DM|: I'm joining the masses, doing a dist-upgrade, 1 gig to download ;-)
[10:33] <DM|> disasm lol its a borked one..
[10:34] <bjwebb> can anyone expalin this http://pastebin.ca/723482
[10:34] <disasm> yes, but kernel won't affect me, I have a custom compiled one already ;-)
[10:35] <disasm> bjwebb: if you use pastebin.ubuntu.com I'll take a look, but my route is down to half the internet right now
[10:36] <disasm> which is odd, because I'm ssh'd into my home computer, and everything works from here ;-)
[10:36] <bjwebb> disasm: :S
[10:36] <disasm> we got an e-mail saying it's a problem with the ISP in Pittsburgh that feeds our 2 OC2's
[10:37] <puma_> what's different between IE and firefox?
[10:37] <disasm> what's :S I use text and never seen that one
[10:37] <cellojoe> puma_: seriously??
[10:37] <disasm> puma_: firefox doesn't suck ;-)
[10:37] <bjwebb> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/566/
[10:38] <puma_> I cann't surf some web in firefox
[10:38] <disasm> is that on boot?
[10:38] <bjwebb> disasm: me, no
[10:39] <bjwebb> when i cd /home/bjwebb2/
[10:39] <bjwebb> then ls
[10:39] <puma_> to read some real-time data
[10:39] <disasm> when do you get it, and how were you patient enough to write down the entire kernel panic?
[10:39] <disasm> do you have another kernel installed?
[10:40] <Xero> On my mom's laptop, HAL won't start.
[10:40] <Xero> I have no idea why.
[10:40] <bjwebb> disasm: erm ls segments
[10:40] <bjwebb> the i just did dmesg > text file
[10:41] <puma_> i.e. I cann't read some live data for football games in firefox. anybody knows?
[10:41] <bjwebb> puma_: as in video?
[10:42] <disasm> bjwebb: the system is freezing there or no?
[10:42] <puma_> no.
[10:42] <bjwebb> disasm: no the system isn't freezing
[10:42] <bjwebb> puma_: is this ie on windows and firefox on ubuntu?
[10:42] <Xero> How important is hal?
[10:42] <Xero> It won't start on my mom's laptop (Wubi install)
[10:43] <disasm> puma_: I'd try a different kernel and see if it works
[10:43] <puma_> ie under XP ok. but not firefox in ubuntu.
[10:43] <disasm> it looks to me like the exr3 module has a bug in it
[10:44] <bjwebb> disasm: was that really meant to go to puma
[10:44] <disasm> err, bjwebb
[10:44] <bjwebb> disasm: i have the same prob with my kernel in fiesty and gutsy
[10:44] <disasm> errr ext3
[10:44] <puma_> i'd like to indicate one web.
[10:44] <bjwebb> puma_: is it flash or java, because you might need to install them
[10:44] <bjwebb> puma_: what website is it specifically
[10:44] <bjwebb> disasm: who should i speak to next?
[10:44] <disasm> bjwebb: did you try doing an fsck from single user mode?
[10:45] <puma_> might try to visit www.ccrr22.com
[10:45] <bjwebb> er yeah, but it finishes really quickly and says the partition is fine
[10:46] <bjwebb> puma_: so you can see the 888crown logo on ie, but not on ifrefox?
[10:46] <disasm> bjwebb: what about a live cd? same error if you mount the fs and do an ls in the same dir?
[10:46] <Xero> Please help. Hal won't start on Ubuntu 7.10 freshly updated on my moms laptop.
[10:46] <bjwebb> disasm: yes
[10:46] <puma_> yes
[10:46] <disasm> bjwebb: do you have another computer?
[10:47] <bjwebb> puma_: you need flash
[10:47] <bjwebb> !flash
[10:47] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[10:47] <Xero> Pici: Can you help? HAL won't start.
[10:47] <puma_> bjwebb, can you figure it out?
[10:47] <bjwebb> disasm: yes, im not too happy at moving around hds tho
[10:47] <puma_> i do have flash-player
[10:47] <Xero> OK wtf? Am I on some kind of silence ban or something?
[10:47] <Xero> Someone reply if you can read this.
[10:48] <disasm> bjwebb: I think we've narrowed it down to the hard drive or some other hardware issue in the machine, if the live cd has problems, the OS isn't at fault
[10:48] <bjwebb> Xero: i can
[10:48] <disasm> Xero: i see you
[10:48] <bjwebb> disasm: but its a gutsy live cd....
[10:48] <disasm> bjwebb: have you tried feisty live cd?
[10:48] <Pici> Xero: er, I dont know. I just got here.
[10:48] <bjwebb> disasm: don't know if i have one
[10:49] <Xero> invoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed.
[10:49] <bjwebb> disasm: but i have fiesty installed and same thing happens
[10:49] <disasm> bjwebb: what about badblocks?
[10:49] <bjwebb> ill try that
[10:50] <disasm> also, a memtest wouldn't hurt
[10:50] <bjwebb> disasm: okay
[10:51] <Xero> Why will my HAL not start? It seems to be important.
[10:52] <disasm> Xero: what error message are you getting? I'm assuming it's on boot when you hide the splash screen you see it?
[10:52] <bjwebb> disasm: bbiab
[10:52] <Xero> disasm, it's when I try to start it through invoke-rc.d
[10:52] <Xero> invoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed.
[10:52] <Xero> HAL itself returns no errors.
[10:52] <disasm> can someone translate bbiab for me? I don't speak acronyms ;-)
[10:52] <Xero> It doesn't start on boot, and it can't start.
[10:52] <Xero> disasm, Be Back In A Bit
[10:53] <bjwebb> disasm: wrong command :S
[10:53] <disasm> Xero: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/123966 - that look familiar?
[10:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123966 in hal "[gutsy]  cannot install hal into a chroot" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[10:54] <Xero> disasm, I didn't know that Wubi is a chroot.
[10:54] <Xero> My desktop works fine, and it's a pure Ubuntu(no Wubi, no sharing disks/partition tables with Windows, no Windows at all), so that would explain it.
[10:55] <disasm> i'm not saying it is, just wondering if it's the same behavior or not
[10:55] <puma_> bjwebb, any suggestion for 888 site?
[10:55] <disasm> what is wubi? I am so far behind :-D
[10:56] <Xero> Wow. What a hell of a workaround!
[10:56] <bjwebb> puma_: are you sure you have flash installed on ubuntu?
[10:56] <puma_> yes. sudoed it
[10:57] <puma_> flash player
[10:58] <disasm> bjwebb: what command?
[10:59] <PirateHead> HardyHeron?
[10:59] <bjwebb> disasm: ive only just switched into sum again
[10:59] <bjwebb> PirateHead: non yet :D
[10:59] <bjwebb> disasm: why is fsck /dev/sda6 completing almost instantaneously?
[10:59] <PirateHead> They just couldn't resist the urge to name it the spoonerism for Hairy Hardon?
[10:59] <PirateHead> WAI?
[11:00] <PirateHead> Ubuntu is too funny. =D
[11:01] <PirateHead> But for now, it's Gusty I guess. =D Unfortunately for me, Gutsy doesn't work on my system.
[11:01] <bjwebb> :S
[11:02] <bjwebb> disasm: ?
[11:03] <Sonicadvance1> I have a wee bit of trouble, I can't find the package for rhythmbox to play my m4a files. It should be gstreamer<vers>-bad and/or gstreamer<vers>-bad-multiverse right? I have both of those install and rhythmbox still says that it doesn't have the right decoder. any help?
[11:04] <PirateHead> does Gutsy still not have support for Telepathy?
[11:04] <Xero> Where is the file that tells Linux what modules to load at boot?
[11:06] <PirateHead> Sonicadvance1: I'm not sure about m4a files, but awhile ago I had to install something like gstreamer-extras
[11:06] <Sonicadvance1> I have all the gstreamer packages installed that are included :P
[11:06] <PirateHead> I
[11:07] <Yaroze> PirateHead: lol
[11:07] <DM|> Can someone post Ubuntu repos for gutsy pls?
[11:08] <PirateHead> 
[11:08] <Yaroze> DM|: just replace the word fiesty with gutsy
[11:08] <PirateHead> darnit i hate SUSE
[11:08] <PirateHead> it's screwing up my keyboard inputs and putting stuff like that g up there in
[11:09] <Yaroze> PirateHead: german software :)
[11:10] <PirateHead> GNewSense always detects my keyboard layout wrong. Being based on Ubuntu, which detects correctly, it's all very confusing.
[11:11] <bjwebb> disasm: thanks for the help, fixed now
[11:13] <Sonicadvance1> m4a files help? :D
[11:15] <DM|> yaroze i wanted a move complete list hehe, mine have been spliced so many times
[11:15] <mikubuntu> dang, another slew of updates and my screen is still screwed up   ....  does anybody have a fix for this mess?
[11:32] <DM|> can someone just post their sources.list for gutsy for me
[11:34] <aLeSD> hi all
[11:34] <aLeSD> I upgrade all to the 7.10 ... and I have a problema
[11:34] <La_PaRCa> Hey guys, is there some sort of guide on how to write specs for the upcoming release?
[11:34] <aLeSD> I can't change the resolution of the screen
[11:35] <aLeSD> I have a 1280x780 .... but I have 1280x1024 in virtual screen
[11:35] <DM|> can someone just post their sources.list for gutsy for me
[11:35] <aLeSD> hot to configure it ?
[11:35] <aLeSD> how
[11:36] <aLeSD> hello
[11:36] <jerpes> DM|, just use the software sources in system -> administrative?
[11:37] <jerpes> aLeSD, System -> Preferences -> Screen resolution (or something like that)
[11:37] <aLeSD> jerpes: I did it but it doesn't work
[11:38] <aLeSD> I mean I set 1280x800
[11:38] <DM|> jerpes problem is i cant run anything from the panel, keep getting python errors
[11:38] <jerpes> DM|, 2sec getting the list
[11:38] <aLeSD> I close it
[11:38] <aLeSD> and when I reopen it I find 1280x1024
[11:38] <pschulz01> I'me seeing a problem (collision type of bug) between network manager and compiz when I login to my desktop. Network manager generates a popup for my keyring, but this is not displayed.. in the foreground.
[11:38] <aLeSD> can I set it by the commadn line ?
[11:39] <DM|> pshulz01 i never found it a good idea to have compiz load when u log in
[11:39] <jerpes> aLeSD, sudo dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:39] <jerpes> !pastebin
[11:39] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:39] <jerpes> aLeSD, there is also the displayconfig-gtk
[11:39] <aLeSD> I don't want to edit the xorg.conf by myself
[11:40] <jerpes> DM|, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39404/
[11:40] <pschulz01> The workaround is to use <super>+<tab>.. and then the popup can be seen. Also.. untill the network manager configures the network, it look like gnome-panel doesn't completely startup/display either.
[11:40] <jerpes> aLeSD,
[11:40] <jerpes> sudo displayconfig-gtk
[11:41] <DM|> jerpes thanks
[11:42] <bdgraue> can someone tell me how to get sound working with qtwengophone? i hear nothing
[11:43] <aLeSD> jerpes: ok
[11:43] <aLeSD> The error was 'BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)'.
[11:43] <aLeSD>   (Details: serial 13 error_code 2 request_code 158 minor_code 2)
[11:43] <aLeSD> toma
[11:44] <DM|> jerpes thanks
[11:45] <jerpes> DM|, np
[11:45] <DM|> jerpes  know anything about python?
[11:45] <jerpes> some
[11:45] <jerpes> not much
[11:46] <DM|> jerpes this is an example of what is crashing for me http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39407/
[11:47] <DM|> Can everyone look at this : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39407/ , maybe someone knows the solution
[11:47] <Xero> I now have email at my own website. Feareth my powers.
[11:48] <pgavin> would anyone here have any idea why my applications menu is empty?
[11:48] <pgavin> I'm running ubuntustudio
[11:57] <aLeSD> jerpes : --reconfigure doesn't work
[11:57] <DM|> Im getting crash reports when i try to run alot of things from the panel, anyone help ?
[11:58] <jerpes> aLeSD, you got the restricted gfx drivers installed?
[11:58] <aLeSD> of sourse
[11:58] <aLeSD> of course :)
[11:58] <jerpes> DM|, are you fully updated?
[11:58] <DM|> jerpes yep
[11:58] <aLeSD> sure
[12:01] <lusepuster_> My Gimp doesn't start - stalls when trying to load xsane module. known issue?
[12:02] <sobersabre> hi guys.
[12:02] <DM|> jerpes any ideas?
[12:02] <sobersabre> I stopped seeing the popups of status of volume etc. when pressing the keys of volume.
[12:02] <timstokman> hi, i have no /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf in my installation of gutsy gibbon beta installation, has it changed location?
[12:03] <sobersabre> this happened after upgrading to gutsy. how can I restore this function ?
[12:06] <timstokman> or can I just add it to my /etc/?
[12:06] <gnomefreak> sobersabre: do you have sound?
[12:07] <gnomefreak> it may not have .conf normally it will be listed wpa_.... than inside there there might be the conf file
[12:08] <gnomefreak> i dont use it so i never looked but its that way with most apps
[12:09] <DM|> jerpes i found out why
[12:09] <DM|> jerpes i had cairo libs in /local
[12:10] <timstokman> is there anyone who can tell me where I can find the wpa_supplicant.conf file? it is not in my /etc
[12:10] <uga> guys, somebody added a x64 wine pack?
[12:11] <uga> apt-get is installing it somehow
[12:11] <uga> and I can't understand how
[12:11] <r3m0t> Hello! I would like help getting my sound working. Pressing "Test" in "Pref>Sound>Devices" gives this error: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Internal data flow error.
[12:12] <gnomefreak> ubuntu.com is going down for around 5 minutes
[12:13] <Xero> No.
[12:13] <Xero> No no no no no!
[12:16] <uga> wow, please congratulate the package manager that created the wine package for x64
[12:16] <uga> whoever he is
[12:16] <uga> he saved me quite some time!
[12:23] <sobersabre> gnomefreak: sorry, I am reading news :) sound works ok, keys respond, and are written int "shortcut list"
[12:24] <sobersabre> so sound works, the keys work, but no visual feedback is displayed on the monitor.
[12:27] <gnomefreak> sobersabre: that might be normal i dont ever remember seeing visual
[12:29] <mon^rch> !release
[12:29] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[12:31] <timseves> Has any one tried booting the Gutsy LiveCD over PXE?  I've succeded in getting the client machine to boot, load the kernel, mount the nfs root and load GDM
[12:31] <timseves> but I cannot login
[12:39] <sobersabre> gnomefreak: I do remember having a semi-transparent square with a speaker image, and a progress bar displayed, very similar to Mac OSX's OSD.
[12:44] <jscinoz> Hey guys, is there somewhere i can see a full list of VGA modes i can set in /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:45] <riotkittie> i get the volume visual :D
[12:47] <_sidd> riotkittie: does it still work for "Mute"?
[12:48] <riotkittie> _sidd: yes
[12:48] <_sidd> riotkittie: Mine doesn't :( (since the recent updates)
[12:49] <riotkittie> ah. :(
[12:56] <gnomefreak> its new atleast
[12:56] <hydrogen> that is new
[12:56] <hydrogen> SEGKABOOM
[12:56] <gnomefreak> gnomefreak@Gutsy:~/Music$ cd
[12:56] <gnomefreak> KABOOOM!!!
[12:56] <gnomefreak> than goes into traceback
[12:56] <hydrogen> fun
[12:59] <sobersabre> gnomefreak: which filesystem is ~/Music ?
[01:01] <|neon|> is there a channel for k9copy? thx
[01:01] <gnomefreak> sobersabre: ~/(home)Music(Music
[01:01] <gnomefreak> |neon|: not that i know of if its a kde app try kde
[01:01] <gnomefreak> #kde
[01:01] <|neon|> gnomefreak: thx
[01:02] <jscinoz> Hey guys, i read somewhere that the VGA mode for 1280x800@32bit is 858, is this correct? i have it set as such but if i switch to one of the virtual consoles i just get a black screen
[01:02] <sobersabre> gnomefreak: what filesystem is this ?
[01:02] <gnomefreak> ext
[01:02] <gnomefreak> ext3 even
[01:02] <gnomefreak> |neon|: yw
[01:03] <gnomefreak> sorry talking to developer about the crash
[01:03] <sobersabre> gnomefreak, I don't understand who prints out the traceback ?
[01:03] <gnomefreak> sobersabre: command-not-found is an app
[01:03] <gnomefreak> it crashed
[01:04] <|neon|> one last ?    i am using gutsy and my transfer rates into my gutsy box are about 6 megs while going out to my file server are about 30 meg any other computer i have gets about 30 both ways any way to speed up things a bit , i checked and my lan speed is 1g at least ethtool says that and my router also says that any suggestions
[01:05] <riotkittie> someone should take compiz away from me. quickly. :|
[01:05] <gnomefreak> |neon|: you might be taking your speed a bit too litterly
[01:05] <gnomefreak> literely
[01:05] <|neon|> riotkittie: compiz working great on my 8800 gts
[01:06] <gnomefreak> |neon|: you know what you ISP gives you is never what you can use and im not sure but sounds like your comparing upload to download speeds
[01:06] <gnomefreak> and upload average == 1/2 download speed
[01:07] <riotkittie> i wish my up was 50% of my down :<
[01:07] <|neon|> gnomefreak: i am talking internal lan i have 5 computers connected using a dual opty running clarkconnect i'm not talking about internet spped
[01:07] <gnomefreak> |neon|: ah
[01:08] <|neon|> gnomefreak: and you are right about isp's comcast blows
[01:08] <tux_fl> hi all i have used feisty and dhcp ok, now on gutsy it is using link-local addressing Arrrgh  Why??
[01:09] <gnomefreak> tux_fl: improvment i would think, hit if that is your only problem wouldnt worry too much, tux_fl best way to find that out is to file a bug
[01:09] <gnomefreak> tux_fl: that is something very few people know why
[01:10] <gnomefreak> and the one person i know that would is sleeping or atleast better be
[01:10] <tux_fl> ah, i just added my netwok to route table and all ok
[01:10] <tux_fl> no worries ;)
[01:10] <tux_fl> thanks all.
[01:16] <aLeSD> hi .. i had to edit my xorg.conf by myself but now it works
[01:16] <aLeSD> ... I'm using nvidia driver I activated the 3d effects ... but I can't see the cube
[01:16] <aLeSD> how to have it ?
[01:17] <aLeSD> I can't find a fusion-beril configuration option in the administration menu
[01:18] <r3m0t> does anybody know of an app to monitor network transfer through an interface, preferably command-line or GTK+, that totals up your daily/monthly usage?
[01:19] <jmg> iptables
[01:19] <r3m0t> oh, I thought it was (just) a firewall
[01:19] <timstokman> hey, could someone check if they have a /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf file in their gutsy install? I think it should be there, it was there in feisty, but it could have been moved