savvasericrost: no idea, sorry :)01:22
YarozeRAOF: doesnt handle nfs?01:22
RAOFYaroze: Wow.  Quite true.01:22
wabiDim installing xfce as we speak01:22
savvasericrost: just point out to them to ask for further info if they are interested01:22
wabiDwe will see what happens01:23
ericrostI did, and I checked to see if there were any related bugs, didn't see anything close..01:23
ericrostjust tryin to do my part (since I'm running beta and all)01:23
savvasnow there's a person that shares my thoughts!01:23
wabiDif i run gran paradiso from term i get this - http://pastebin.com/m7db154c01:23
g2g591ok, if you want to give kde a try without all the apps the kde-core package just installs the basics01:24
ericrostI figured I was running compiz-fusion out of another repo anyhow, why not just upgrade (and in doing so dug for the workaround to the blank screen issue with nvidia)01:24
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g2g591yep just as i thought, a gtk (gnome) issue01:24
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wabiDwell it might be01:24
YarozeRAOF: :(01:24
wabiDit could just as easily be a firefox issue01:25
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g2g591no, its not a firefox issue because it works fine for me01:25
ericrostI really do like compiz fusion.. now that its stable, it makes my desktop run faster (I don't run too much fancy, just let it composite and move the windows in obvious ways when I'm switching focus)01:25
ericrostfar snappier than metacity on my rig, since I've got a decent vid card01:26
g2g591i have to go for a while01:26
wabiDit could be a firefox issue, talking to gnome01:26
wabiDbut gnome is behaving correctly01:26
RAOFYaroze: I wonder why it doesn't?  Can you browse NFS devices from Places->Network?01:27
YarozeRAOF: nope only samba01:29
RAOFYaroze: Waaaaaah!01:29
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wabiDsame problem with xfce01:30
wabiDits not gnome01:30
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savvaswhat problem?01:30
YarozeRAOF: always been like that :)01:31
Yarozebut i think konqueror supports browsing nfs01:31
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RAOFYaroze: Why do we have better support for browsing Samba than NFS??01:31
jansenqAnybody have problems with fglrx after the upgrade to gusty?01:31
YarozeRAOF: for the noobies :)01:31
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savvaswabiD: uh font size ?01:32
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wabiDdo the fonts look wrong?01:32
wabiDthey look fine to me01:32
savvasyou pointed me to an image01:33
wabiDim pretty sure the images look screwed up01:33
savvasi saw a firefox and the alpha version01:33
wabiDand the alpha version is really really big01:33
wabiDbut the text isnt01:33
wabiDjust images01:33
savvasah sort of like zoomed in01:33
wabiDso it appears01:34
wabiDdpi is all set up correctly, its not a gnome issue01:34
wabiDand clearing my profile does nothing01:34
wabiDi disabled it, and its still a problem with xfce01:35
wabiDinstead of gnome01:35
savvaspoke the folks in irc.mozilla.org :P01:35
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chronographerHello, anyone having trouble with their digital cameraa and gutsy?01:36
chronographermy camera is recognised but no progs will suck the photos off.01:37
savvasyou mean you can't view images in any program, like image viewer?01:37
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chronographeryep. Plug camera in, download photos dialog pops up, reports error. I try gphoto2 -P which alwatys worked if all else failed in the past, I get an error message01:38
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chronographergphopto autodetect gives 2 cameras Ricoh Caplio R1                usb:01:39
chronographerRicoh Caplio R1                usb:002,00201:39
chronographerI obnly have one attached, maybe it tries the wrong one?01:39
savvasthank god mine is detected as a usb flash :)01:39
chronographerhmm. Any ideas for a fix?01:40
savvaschronographer: doesn't it show folders and images? mine does, opens exactly as a usb flash, and I can copy/paste pictures into my /home/ and then use them as wished01:41
chronographernope, it is only accessable through the software stuff, like gphoto2 etc.01:42
savvasah bummer01:42
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kevinOhas anyone got vmware to install on gutsy yet?01:42
savvasno idea then, sorry :)01:42
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savvaskevinO: I use virtualbox01:43
kevinOsavvas, does it support vmdk's?01:43
chronographerI also use virtualbox. Get it from the website though.01:43
chronographerthe ubuntu package didn't work for me01:43
savvasthere was a tool somewhere.. but it didn't work for me 3 months ago01:44
savvasa converter01:44
kevinOwill they load my virtual machines i alreadyu have or do i have to reinstall?01:44
savvasthey use .vdi01:44
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kevinOhow does this program compare to vmware?01:46
savvasfaster, less hassle01:47
kevinOoooo nice01:47
savvasbut less capable of installing operating systems01:47
savvase.g. windows 98 and 95 don't run in it01:47
chronographerI never used a VM before, but virtual box has been great for me, runs fast, no direct x, used the same VM (VDI ) from debian etch through to new gutsy install01:47
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savvasdoesn't support x64 Guest (virtual) machines, even though if I own an x64 host01:48
kevinOahh i have to install windows 98 and up01:48
savvasI can test install win 98 again if you want01:49
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kevinOwell i dont really want you to go through all that trouble, I was thinking more along the lines of getting vmware player to work properly01:51
kevinOlooks like someone has a fix for it but i cant read german01:52
ubotuLaunchpad bug 146272 in linux-meta "[gutsy]  vmware-player is not installable + outdated" [Undecided,Confirmed] 01:52
savvastry with vmware-server01:52
kevinOi dont have a key for that01:52
savvasit's free01:52
kevinOwhy do they sell it then?01:52
savvaswhat? :)01:52
savvasno clue01:52
kevinOvmware-server is not in commercial repos?01:53
savvas"To use the versions below, you will need to register for your free serial number(s)."01:54
savvas:] 01:54
kevinOthats weird01:54
savvasnot weird at all01:55
savvasI've been using vmware for a year01:55
savvasit's open source01:55
kevinOon server, can you install new os's?, or is it jst a player?01:55
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savvasnew os, yep01:56
savvasplay & install01:56
savvasi think it has limited network operations01:56
kevinOwell thats just crazy, why doesnt everyone use it01:56
savvasbut nat always worked here01:56
savvasit must have something limited01:57
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savvaskevinO: I'm installing windows 98 atm, it looks like it has better support.. we'll see01:59
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savvasI read somewhere in their forums that they like to support NT and up02:00
savvaswho knows02:00
basculesavvas: server doesn't support drag'n'drop to host is one missing feature from server02:01
savvasi knew they're missing something :)02:01
kevinOi wonder if microsoft still has all the 98 updates available for download, last i knew they were going to stop02:02
savvaswasn't that last year kevo?02:02
savvaseh who needs m$02:02
savvasI got my ubuntu :)02:03
kevinOall my friends02:03
kevinOi try to get them to convret they wont have it02:03
XeroOh My God! They Killed init! You Bastards!02:03
basculehe was respawning to fast?02:03
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kevinOi really just use the ms family for helping people troubleshoot their installs02:03
kevinOand i have vista so i can play halo202:04
XeroHalo 2? There's an XBOX for that.02:04
kevinOother than that i luvbuntu02:04
kevinOuh yeah i dont have the money for an xbox02:04
chronographerI would think about XP if I could run SupCom on my machine, but its too old02:05
XeroXBOXes are $100. Vista is $500.02:05
chronographerand I don't have time for games02:05
kevinOlol no vista is not 50002:05
XeroYou don't have money for an XBOX but you do for Vista. Amazing.02:05
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XeroSimply freakin' amazing.02:05
kevinOi payed like 89 dollars for vista02:05
XeroHome Basic, which does almost nothing they advertise.02:05
kevinOno i have business02:06
XeroStill not much.02:06
kevinOi got it when they were offering the free upgrades02:06
XeroAhh. Poor thing.02:06
kevinOtell me about it02:06
ericrostsavvas: vmware is not open source02:06
XeroYou got ripped off. Free is too high a price for Vista.02:06
kevinOi had to fight with moduslink for 4 months to get it02:07
basculepc world?02:07
ericrostXero: Vista on the horizon is the reason I switched to linux last year02:07
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orinSo, Gutsy will come out soon. Will it break a lot of stuff with AppArmor?02:07
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Xeroorin, noperz.02:08
savvasericrost: well ok, it was? http://www.vmware.com/download/server/open_source.html02:08
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kevinObelieve me im not a huge fan of microsoft, and im certainly not a fan of paying 400 dollars for  the 360, and the original xbox, well, ive modded about a hundred or so for friends and im burnt out on em02:08
ericrostsavvas: its not the complete source02:08
XeroOriginal Xbox = HALO2 FOR CHEEP!!!!02:09
ericrostsavvas: in fact they got nearly in hot water (lukewarm) by not releasing code changes until fsf asked02:09
XeroVista = Ripoff + another ripoff + crap all shoved into a very small blender.02:09
kevinOwhy waste that money when i can save it towards a 360?02:09
Xero360's suck in general. They're the only console without motion detection.02:09
kevinOthen i can play halo302:10
basculecause your 360 will fail02:10
ericrostsavvas: which is why you have to register for a serial to use it...02:10
XeroPS3 has a little of it, Wii has a lot, XBox360=overheat+no motion detection + crap02:10
Xeroonce again, all shoved into a VERY small blender02:10
orinWhen Feisty came out, KDM was broken for the first two to three weeks. Users could only use "Log Off" but there was no option for shutdown, reboot, hibernate, suspend, etc. Did KDM go through any more changes this time?02:10
savvasericrost: interesting, thanks :)02:10
ericrostsavvas: don't get me wrong, I use it02:10
kevinOthats why they make warranty's02:10
Gun_SmokeXero: how does ps3 do it?02:10
XeroGun_Smoke, piezoelectric sensors in the SIXAXIS02:10
orinI remember Edgy was fine and Feisty seemingly used new debs to fix some non-issue and ended up breaking stuff.02:10
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zblachhey all02:11
savvaskevinO: 59%02:11
savvasare you going to be here for another 10-15 minutes?02:11
kevinOcool i just finished dl'ing server02:11
XeroHoly crap. SIXAXIS is a palindrome.02:11
Gun_Smokewhat is SIXAXIS?02:12
XeroThe PS3 controller.02:12
ericrostsavvas: were you asking me?02:12
zblachthe name of t... yeah02:12
savvasericrost: no, kevinO :)02:12
XeroRipped from gizmodo: the latest ad for the PlayStation 3 highlights the fact that the SIXAXIS has tilt sensing capabilities.02:12
XeroPhear phear phear.02:13
Gun_SmokeOh.. why such a special name?02:13
orinAnyone know?02:13
XeroIt does the detection on 6 axes, I guess.02:13
zblachthreeaxis isn't a palindrome02:13
kevinOorin, what are you asking?02:13
zblachand threerht doesn't really mean anything02:13
ericrostsavvas, fyi, the next screen if you d/l is this: http://register.vmware.com/content/eula.html02:13
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kevinOorin, i see, i have no idea man02:14
savvasericrost: yeah, I'm studying medicine, not law :)02:14
ericrostF/LOSS doesn't have EULA's... although I suppose it depends on your strict definition of open source02:14
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ericrostsavvas: I'm an engineer, but license stuff is a hobby interest (just into the whole F/LOSS aspect of Linux)02:14
Xerolol they call broken-apart gadgetry silicon porn.02:15
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ericrostsavvas: does the message compose box on your pidgin bounce as you type the first line?02:15
savvasmy hobby is computers, that's how I got into linux :P02:15
Gun_Smokeericrost: Now thats a hobby...02:15
magicrobotmonkeyhave there been any problems  installing java 6 on gutsy?02:15
zblachmagicrobotmonkey: nope02:16
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XeroX-Y-Z, pitch, roll, yaw and lateral motion02:16
XeroThat's 6 axes02:16
zblachthat's 702:16
savvasericrost: I don't use it, sorry02:16
ericrostXero: actually XYZ is lateral motion02:16
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ericrostsavvas: on kubuntu then?02:17
Xeroericrost, it's on Engadget. Don't blame me.02:17
magicrobotmonkeylike, apt claims its installed, but it doesnt show up  in update-alternatives02:17
orinDoes anyone know if KDM allows users to shutdown, restart, and logoff through KDE? It got changed in the Edgy to Feisty change so I'm a bit concerned about updating my machine to Gutsy in a few weeks02:17
savvasno i don't use pidgin :P02:17
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savvasI don't use IM stuff02:17
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ericrostsavvas: on command line then? what are you irc'ing on?02:17
savvasirssi :)02:17
orinirssi possibly02:17
ericrosthmm.. I'll check that out, the only thing I use pidgin for is irc in general02:18
zblachquick question about kmix. how do you set the default channel?02:18
basculeit has no equal02:18
savvasyou have irssi for console and xchat for a graphical approach02:18
Gun_SmokeI like irssi02:18
ericrostwhat do you think of the new theme changes? synaptic icon, etc.. I think they cleaned it up nicely for gutsy02:19
orinzblach: Right click on KMix and click "Select Master Channel"02:19
magicrobotmonkeyyea irssi rocks02:19
savvasthey made a lot of nice icon changes02:19
zblachorin: does that also affect the XF86 volume controls?02:19
orinzblach: No idea. Try it and see.02:19
zblachsurvey says 'no'02:20
Gun_SmokeIt's amazing how may people have no idea irssi is there.. esp when they break x02:20
ericrostI thought I saw somewhere that avant-window-navigator was going to be in the repos for gutsy... I didn't see it, and so I installed my local copy back02:20
savvasGun_Smoke: i think it's not preinstalled02:20
zblachi keep irssi and lynx just in case02:20
savvasand actually.. that's the reason I use irssi02:20
basculeirssi has saved ne fron ny own lameness on a few occassions :)02:20
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savvasI tend to break stuff :P02:20
magicrobotmonkeyGun_Smoke: forget break x: irssi +screen+openvpn+dyndns = teh ruler02:21
savvasscreen and irssi tend to help keep the continuity :)02:21
ericrostsavvas: I seem to not break stuff badly enough to not get X up as a last fall back02:21
XeroSooo many typos. Must put on blog of some guy.02:21
Gun_Smokesavvas: I've always had it..02:21
kevinOsavvas it was unable to build the vmmon module :(02:21
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ericrostGun_Smoke: what's screen?02:21
Xerokevin0 there are patches on the internet that worked for me, but they suck.02:21
savvasit needs the kernel headers right?02:22
kevinOXero is the patch your talking baout in german?02:23
XeroI'm using VirtualBox. It didn't need headers.02:23
zengenWhen using the installer to encrypt a partition is it possible to make just a /boot and the encrypted partition and then create logical partitions in the encrypted partition?02:23
Gun_Smokeericrost:  Screen?02:23
XerokevinO, no.02:23
kevinOi found one linked from launchpad, but its in german,...02:23
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ryancrI am using an updated Gutsy with a nvidia 5900xt card, I thought the latest drivers were supposed to fix the black window problem, but I am still getting it02:25
ericrostGun_Smoke: ahh it was savvas that mentioned it, but I just looked it up anyhow02:25
savvasuntil you install vmware, I'm installing the guest O/S kevinO  :P02:25
Gun_Smokeah ha02:25
Xerovmware = doody.02:25
XeroVirtualBox ftw.02:25
ryancrI am just curious why, as before I assume the indirect rendering flag was on, but now it doesn't seem to be02:25
savvasXero: try install windows 95 on your "ftw"02:26
ryancrany ideas? where can I set it to be indirect again?02:26
kevinOsomeone in the ubuntu forum said they got around it by installing g++ headers02:26
Xerosavvas, I've done it.02:26
savvasI'm retrying for the last time to install windows 98 on virtualbox02:26
XeroQuite strange, though.02:26
XeroWin98 works fine on VBox.02:26
XeroI'm not sure why 95 wouldn't, but 98 works perfectly.02:27
savvaswe'll see02:27
savvasthe previous 2 versions didnt02:27
XeroWell, I don't really need much of a VM. I've gotten quite detached from WindBlows.02:27
kevinOwhat would the g++ headers package name be?02:27
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ericrostXero: I use vmware to run my ubuntu servers under ubuntu02:28
ericrostXero: that way i can chop an underutilized machine up into 4 different machines02:28
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Xeroericrost, good idea.02:28
savvasand earn extra $$$ times 4 :)02:29
basculebut doesn't the performace hit of vmware its self make that inefficient?02:29
ericrostsavvas: my servers are home servers, I don't do anything commercial personnally02:29
XeroAs long as you don't run a virtual cluster, the performance hit wouldn't be too bad with the right hardware.02:29
kevinOthat is a wonderful idea ericrost02:30
ericrostbascule: I haven't noticed a particular performance hit, but I'm just running a wordpress server on one, mt-daapd on the base, and I'm in process of building a zimbra server on one slice02:37
ericrostthe fourth slice is gonna be another wordpress or whatever I feel like playing with at the moment02:37
basculeI haven't used vmware for some time, but i remeber getting about 1/4 cpu overall02:37
XeroPerfect for what he needs.02:37
XeroHe slices it up in 4 parts, each gets 1/4 proc.02:37
ericrostthe other nice thing is I can completely disable shell access on the virtualized servers02:37
XeroLoad balancing time.02:37
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ericrostso the only way to access a shell is through vmware over the private subnet02:37
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basculewell, I was thinking more along the lines of 1/16 on each, but I never actually tried that02:37
basculeexperience will tell ... :)02:37
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ubotunetsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like Freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit02:41
nrossinbur[n] er: Yeah, found it on launchpad and I was right - everyone has this bug.02:41
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kevinOsavvas cool, im still tryin to get vmware server to work02:41
joshhuntso, i just installed 7.10 beta02:41
joshhuntand the updater checked for updates, but now its kind of asking me to do a disto upgrade http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w274/kuzmaster/screenspng.png02:41
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savvaskevinO: it would be easier to install vbox :P02:42
nemikjoshhunt: just do it02:42
Xerosavvas, lol I've converted you. Now let's see if I can make you use some other things.02:42
joshhuntdo the distro upgrade....?02:42
nemikit's part of gutsy. just obey02:42
joshhuntwhat ever02:42
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savvasXero: I was already using virtualbox, but I thought they'd drop support for win9x02:43
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XeroWin95 works perfectly without that fix.02:43
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nrossinAnyone else having problems using the proprietary nVidia drivers in Kubuntu Gutsy?02:44
Xeronrossin, nope.02:44
savvasnrossin: through restricted drivers manager ?02:44
ericrostdid you check what kernel you're booting into nrossin?02:44
XeroGo netsplit go.02:44
ericrostuname -r02:44
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sonoftheclayrnrossin: I have the same problem. Nothing comes up whenyou boot?02:45
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ericrostI had an issue that it didn't update the default kernel to boot into, and thus the kernel modules for the driver it installed were mismatched02:45
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ericrostso I had to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to save the default kernel after I booted into the correct one, see this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/14788902:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 147889 in ubuntu "Feisty-Gutsy beta amd64 upgrade does not set default kernel correctly" [Undecided,New] 02:46
nrossinsavvas: Yes, I'm using the RDM02:46
nrossinericrost: I'm not sure. it's whatever kernel was the latest released into the Gutsy repos02:47
kevinOsavvas i got it to work, i think, i made it past the module part02:47
nrossinsonoftheclayr: No, it boots, but the resolution is distorted and can't be changed.02:47
ericrostgo to a terminal and type uname -r and tell me the version02:47
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sonoftheclayrdifferent problem then02:48
ericrostahh, diff problem probably then nrossin, if it was a kernel mismatch, you wouldn't get to a desktop02:48
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bur[n] er_in addition to this gdm problem... wasn't it supposed to be fixed that when you logout, you don't see terminal garbage in between gui screens?02:49
ericrostsonoftheclayr: see this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/129910 ?02:49
ubotuLaunchpad bug 129910 in initramfs-tools "tty[1-6]  are active but display nothing in Gutsy" [High,Triaged] 02:49
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ericrostbur[n] er_: you may be in the wrong kernel.. there was a bug when I upgraded that didn't boot into the newest gutsy kernel by default02:50
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ericrostand when it did that, it showed the terminal in the background02:51
bur[n] er_2.6.22-12 the newest?02:51
bur[n] er_bummer02:51
ericrostjust tryin to pass along what I ran into :( sorry I'm not helpin02:51
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bur[n] er_no worries, i appreciate the effort02:52
ericrostaside from those two problems, my upgrade has gone pretty flawlessly...02:52
ericrostI'm impressed by the additional polish in gutsy so far02:52
=== bur[n] er_ has been on gutsy since tribe 3 and it has been generally stable
ericrostUbuntu's really getting close as far as the "average user" target02:53
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=== ericrost only waited due to my lappy being off the network from hardware failure
kevinOOK yall, please not, that vmware server will install without problems with this patch http://knihovny.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/vmware-any-any-update113.tar.gz02:53
bur[n] er_ericrost: i'd go as far to say it's there since you can buy Dells and some other systems with ubuntu02:53
brandon__totem's lirc support seems to have vanished ever since upgrading to gutsy02:54
sonoftheclayrericrost: probably not it, i can't get into anu of the virtual consoles02:54
sonoftheclayrI'll have a look anyway02:54
=== bur[n] er_ hearts virtualbox and scoffs at vmware
ericrostbur[n] er_: even shuttleworth said that its not *quite* there yet.. and there's still a few tiny details.. but its very close02:54
ericrostbur[n] er_: and getting closer with every release as far as I can see02:55
ericrostsonoftheclayr: that's the bug02:55
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sonoftheclayrThanks ericrost02:59
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=== nrossin loves VirtualBox and loathes the complexity and closedness of VMware
sonoftheclayrNow to reboot and see if it works03:01
kevinOall this rave about virtualbox i thinks i may just have to try it03:02
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kevinOcan i install from synaptic, someone said it wouldnt install from there03:03
SpudDogganyone know how to change the defualt screen resolution in gutsy?03:03
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kevinOSpudDogg: you can change it under system>preferences> Screen Resolution03:04
SpudDoggkevinO, yea, but it won't let me enter my own resolution03:04
kevinOok hold on03:04
SpudDoggneither will editing xorg.conf03:04
kevinOdo this run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and at the end of that you will be able to select the default resolutions, select your out of the list03:05
SpudDoggkevinO, i was just getting ready to do that.  thanks03:05
h1st0So this has become a suport channel now that beta is out03:05
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kevinOi always do ctrl+alt+F3 and then login as root then killall gdm then run dpkd SpudDogg03:06
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kevinOh1st0: well if you go to ubuntu and tell them you are running gutsy, they immediatly send you herre03:07
h1st0I've been sending people here too but telling them its not for support.03:07
h1st0Just for bug testing/reporting etc...03:08
h1st0Ppl don't understand03:08
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Artemis3evil s3 savaga w03:09
Artemis3will run 3d games but no compizf..03:09
Artemis3direct rendering yes and all...03:10
Artemis3ah well03:10
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Virooanyone knows if the gusty beta installer has a bug? it stops with me03:12
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Virooanyone ?03:14
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Virooanyone ???????03:15
VirooI need someone to confirm03:15
TuTUXGhot plug ipod 5g video make nautilus runs very long time to responds03:16
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TuTUXGhot plug ipod 5g video make nautilus running very long time to respond*03:16
ubotuFor playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs03:18
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TuTUXGhot plug ipod 5g video make nautilus running very long time to respond*03:23
sonoftheclayrWell it worked but my wireless didn't so here I am again03:23
TuTUXGabout 5 mins+03:24
ubotuTo view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse03:24
extraanyone running on 965gm in ubuntu?03:25
extra965gm the gpu?03:25
extramine no worky03:25
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danoHey all, i recently upgraded from feisty to gutsy, and for the most part it works, but my wacom stylus no longer functions, and also my external display.  Any ideas how to begin to trouble shoot, normally it just works from default install?03:44
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RAOFdano: Do you have the xserver-xgl packages installed? :-|03:45
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danoRAOF, no, i don't.  Should I?03:46
RAOFthat means it's probably not my fault :)03:46
TuTUXG_hot plug ipod 5g video make nautilus running very long time to respond, is this a know issue?03:46
RAOFTuTUXG_: Not to me.  Given the poor response here, maybe you should try searching launchpad?03:47
danoi have wacom added to my autoloaded modules, and it seems to be loaded fine03:48
danobut it just doesnt work03:48
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XeroHello MTecknology03:50
Xerolol virtualbox froze.03:51
MTecknologystill having issues - but I suppose that's why beta was released.. get all those kinkers out03:51
XeroWhat kinkers?03:51
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zetheroohow do I install the fglrx drivers through the terminal?03:52
h1st0Pretty much beta is not meant for use yet03:52
h1st0!ati > zetheroo03:52
Xerowhy > instead of |?03:52
Xero| is much more fun.03:52
MTecknologySo far... I need to click somewhere b4 the panel shows up. vmware-server isn't available yet(I know it's coming), certain updates kill my system, trying to erase annotations locks up my system but audio/video still play....03:53
MisterN__h1st0: i don't use it, but... why do you call it a beta if it's not meant for use?03:53
MTecknologyeh, i think that's it - my stylus is a whole nother ball of crap - but i managed to get it going as well as i did in 7.0403:53
h1st0MisterN__: lookup beta03:54
MTecknologyXero, b/c > keeps everything out of the channel03:54
MisterN__h1st0: i think i know what beta means.03:54
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h1st0MisterN__: not if you think its ready for use03:54
kyjahelp pls.03:54
XeroBeta means the second stage of testing.03:55
crdlbbeta means it's ready for testing03:55
XeroMore stable than Alpha, but not meant for production use.03:55
MisterN__"A beta version is the first version released outside the organization or community that develops the software, for the purpose of evaluation or real-world black/grey-box testing. The process of delivering a beta version to the users is called beta release. Beta level software generally includes all features, but may also include known issues and bugs of a less serious variety."03:55
MisterN__this sounds like usable for me.03:55
MTecknologyI think it's time to see if 7.10 supports out printer here.....03:55
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kyjainstalled 7.10 works like a charm. hp zd8000 laptop. works great except for 15-20 minutes it shuts off. like the plug gets pulled03:56
MisterN__sure, not for production use. but "use" is a broader term, isn't it?03:56
crdlbMisterN__, you shouldn't expect it to work, and if it doesn't, you should file a bug03:56
crdlbthat's what beta means03:56
Xero7.10 > certain activities I like to do with women.03:56
h1st0MisterN__: key wordsin there "for the purpose of evaluation or real-world black/gre-box testing."03:56
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MisterN__h1st0: especially the "real-world"03:56
Xerolooooool beta argument03:57
MisterN__but how is real-world testing supposed to take place when you tell everybody that he shouldn't do it?03:57
lekuI can't do 'reload' in the synaptic package manager03:57
h1st0Thats fine use it if you want just all these people that come in here wanting support for it are miss informed03:57
lekuit just sits there saying downloading file 1 of 1103:57
XeroI think I pretty much hit the nail on the head with what I said.03:57
Xero2nd test stage, better than alpha, no production use03:57
MisterN__Xero: well and you're right03:58
crdlbXero, nah you hit my foot :o03:58
lekuit says it could not download all repository indexes03:58
MisterN__but that's not the prevailing opinion it seems03:58
lekubut when i do an apt-get update it works fine03:58
Xerocrdlb, I'm sorry. Would you like a cookie?03:58
crdlbXero, yes please03:58
MisterN__the prevailing opinion is: "beta is alpha" - or so it seems to me03:58
lekuis there something wrong with http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/ ?03:58
XeroBeta is technically alpha 6, but I agree with MisterN__ here.03:59
crdlbMisterN__, a lot of people complain when a beta doesn't work properly or eats their data, etc03:59
crdlbh1st0's attitude is just reactionary to that03:59
Xerottum tum data in the tum tum03:59
Xeroreplace the first tum tum with yum yum03:59
MisterN__crdlb: a beta shouldn't eat data - of course, you can't guarantee it, but...04:00
crdlbit only takes one bug to eat your data04:00
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Xerothe Vista beta -- and Vista release -- eat data.04:00
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MisterN__crdlb: yes, and it is quite likely that there is even more than one bug in the release04:01
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Booh-I want to wype out UTF-8... is it possible?04:01
XeroAre. Oh. Eff. Ell.04:01
Booh-I tried to modify /etc/environment /etc/locale.gen /etc/default/locale04:01
XeroWhy would you want to do that Booh-?04:01
Booh-I do locale-gen and dpkg-reconfigure localeconf04:02
Booh-but I always have us_en.utf-8 generated!! I need iso-8859-104:02
XeroOnce again, why would you want to do that?04:02
Booh-I want to install DB2 v.8.1 and DB2 detect utf-8... and stop.  DB2 need iso-8859-104:03
XeroSomeone help him. I don't know how to do this, or how to handle with killing UTF-8.04:03
Booh-IBM DB204:03
Booh-in fact, I search on this since 3 days... nobody seems to know how!04:04
Booh-But... in ubuntu website, there is a very big lie... about ubuntu support IBM DB204:04
Jordan_UBooh-, That seems strange that you would need to change the locale for DB2 to work04:04
lekuhey guys04:04
Booh-strange but true04:04
lekusynaptic and gnome update-manager wont' work on my gutsy system04:04
lekubut apt-get works fine04:04
XeroHello leku.04:05
lekuthe guis just sit there like they can't talk to the repos for some reason04:05
Jordan_UBooh-, Can you pastebin the exact error?04:05
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lekui looked at my apt.sources and i commented out everything except the normal ubuntu stuff04:05
Jordan_UBooh-, And why are you asking in #ubuntu+1?04:05
pppoe_dudeanyone experiencing DNS slowness in gutsy?04:05
lekuand did apt-get update, still having problem04:05
Jordan_Uleku, Can you pastebin the output of apt-get update?04:06
MisterN__good night04:06
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lekusure 1s04:06
Jordan_UBooh-, How did you install DB2 ?04:06
Booh- (path)/db2langdir: error while loading shared libraries: libm.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory04:07
Booh- ./db2setup of course.04:07
Booh-I ever install it twice with a modify Debian...04:07
Booh-4 years ago04:07
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Booh-If I look inside directories, there is not en_us.utf-8 directory... but there is en_us.iso-8859-1 and C also.04:08
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Booh-too* I mean04:08
Booh-and other language.04:08
Jordan_Uleku, ... What is wrong with that?04:09
lekubut synaptic and the gnome-update-manager and restricted driver manager are broken04:10
Booh-I would like to generate the iso-8859-1 at minimum!!  Now, locale-gen gives me only utf-804:10
lekuthey timeout trying to talk to http://us.ubuntu.com or whatever04:10
lekuhere is my sources.list04:11
Booh-Jordan_U, I ask in #ubuntu+1 because nobody on other chan know... here, probably skills is better for this kind of question04:11
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Jordan_Uleku, You should file a bug against Synaptic then ( after checking that one has not been filed already )04:12
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lekuit's not in synaptic04:12
XeroQuit message test.04:12
lekuit's not a bug04:13
lekusomething is just hosed on my box04:13
Jordan_Uleku, If apt-get update works, but "reload" in Synaptic does not, how is that not a bug in synaptic?04:13
lekubecause it is in gnome-update-manager to04:13
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XeroDid it work?04:13
Jordan_U* Xero has quit ("This is our world now... the world of the electron and the switch, the beauty of the baud. We make use of a service already ex")04:14
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MTecknologyAfter downloading my driver - my printer worked no questions asked. Never had that happen in 7.04 or windows :D04:14
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Jordan_Uleku, Then file a bug against both, I think that update-manager uses synaptic to a certain extent, or they both use common libraries ( many of the dialogs look the same )04:15
Jordan_Uleku, Wherever the bug is, it is none the less a bug04:15
Jordan_UBooh-, What is the output of "locate libm.so.6" ?04:16
colin_i'm having my audio come outta both my internal laptop speakers and the headphone port and the mixers04:17
colin_dont work04:17
wasabiSO everytime dpkg tries to restart network manager..... my keyboard stops working04:18
lekui wonder if having automatix on here before04:18
lekufucked me over04:18
wasabiWhat might be up with this04:18
Booh-Jordan_U, db2langdir switch to the right language dir from autodetect lang and charset... I have the list... and I need ISO-8859-104:18
Booh-I ... REALLY... need... to pass my OS to ISO-8859-104:19
Booh-but UTF-8 is like a virus... you can get rid of!04:19
Jordan_UBooh-, Again, why are you asking this in #ubuntu+1 ?04:20
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Booh-Jordan_U, I ask in #ubuntu+1 because nobody on other chan know... here, probably skills is better for this kind of question04:20
Booh-Nobody knows about locales04:20
h1st0!locales > Booh-04:20
Booh-nobody on ubuntu know how it works04:20
Jordan_UBooh-, So what version of Ubuntu are you using?04:20
Booh-7.04 server04:21
Booh-And I think, there is a chance that in a chan of beta version, there will be more competent people04:21
Booh-a kind of power user...04:21
NightBirdmy... mouse isn't working...04:22
wasabiYeah so restarting network manger manually does it.04:22
Jordan_UBooh-, Have you looked at the link from Ubotu?04:22
Booh-h1st0, I already try it 3 days ago... without success!04:22
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MTecknologyaside from the few bugs I've seen - 7.10 has been insanely awesome... I think I'm going to try to see if my issue has been reported already04:22
Jordan_UBooh-, Including the part "For Anti-UTF-8 people" ?04:23
wasabiWhy would you think UTF-8 sucks? How silly.04:23
Booh-en_ca, en_us, fr_ca etc... change.  No prob.  But the fucking utf-8 always stay!!!!! even if I specify iso04:23
Booh-including this part04:23
h1st0!language | Booh-04:23
ubotuBooh-: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.04:23
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NightBirdwhew... I managed to get it to work...04:24
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patrickkkkkkkkkkhey i cant write to an external harddrive, using gusty beta.... heres my fstab http://rafb.net/p/uaMeaC41.html04:25
MTecknologyhow do i search launchpad for bugs?04:25
wasabiWhy would you think UTF-8 sucks? How silly.04:25
Jordan_UBooh-, Have you tried IBM support?04:26
tonyyarussohaha, IBM support...04:26
Jordan_Upatrickkkkkkkkkk, What FS?04:26
tonyyarusso!bugs | MTecknology04:27
ubotuMTecknology: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots04:27
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Booh-Let me tell you something...  I adopt ubuntu and linux to have choice.  To stop Microsoft force me to do things like microsoft... and start having choice and liberty of open source software.  And now, everybody I talk in linux chans, try to convince me to switch to utf-8.  Where is my liberty?  Please... just let me use ISO and if you can help me to switch to iso ok, I will be happy.  If not, don't think your way is the only one... Microsoft04:28
Booh-think like that so you becoming too like them.04:28
Jordan_UBooh-, Except we aren't forcing you to do anything04:29
Booh-So... I don't know why ubuntu try to force people going to utf-8 instead of letting people choose... like the linux philosophy.04:29
Jordan_UBooh-, Ubuntu isn't forcing you to do anything, it just sounds like a bug.04:30
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Booh-A lot of people always ask me why I want to switch... etc etc... I don't want to discuss my choice, I'm in my project since 2 weeks.  I don't want to start explaining choice since the begining... just want to swtich.  That's it.  But nobody knows...04:30
Jordan_UBooh-, Also, maybe I just have a different perspective, but it seems strange to me that someone using DB2 would be asking for community support.04:32
Booh-It's a long story..04:33
Booh-The license is bought from Accpac, accounting software.04:33
Booh-IBM doesn't give support... I have to ask Accpac.  But Accpac:04:33
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Booh-1) s...cks!  and always have an excuse to don't support.  (they prefer windows servers)04:34
Jordan_UBooh-, Would it be possible for you to use Dapper, since it is an LTS version it is probably what was certified to work with DB2, it also might not have the same bug that is preventing you from changing locales04:34
Booh-2) I want to use Ubuntu or Debian.  But... they want Suse pro or Redhat..04:34
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EvanCarroll_homeseems as if volatile/nvidia.ko, was renamed to volatile/new_nvidia.ko, without symlink04:35
Booh-LTS is too old...04:35
EvanCarroll_homeanyone confirm problems with amd64 and nvidia04:35
Booh-I have nvidia on my laptop amd64... run very well04:35
Booh-I dist-upgrade 6 hours ago04:36
frostburntrackerd crashing upon log bug or a feature?04:36
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EvanCarroll_homeI'm having critical problems, now I'm really thinking about downgrading from +1, this bulletproof X has caused me so much grief04:37
EvanCarroll_homeI can't modprobe nvidia, and I get an err in Xorg.log about nvidia failing to load04:37
EvanCarroll_homenothing has changed04:37
Jordan_UEvanCarroll_home, Bulletproof X hasn't been included yet AFIK04:37
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EvanCarroll_homewhatever they call this annoying fallback screen that wants me to override my **custom** monitor with a plugin-play that only goes up to 800x60004:38
EvanCarroll_homethe little monitor selection app, doesn't have my monitor sony multiscan 420gs, it detects the horizrefresh/vertsync right but crashes when i try it, and won't allow me to up the res without editing xorg.conf anyway.04:39
Booh-I try now to modify /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local and en04:39
Jordan_UEvanCarroll_home, Oh, maybe it has been, according to the page there is still the bug of GDM trying to start another X session and giving an ugly error04:39
Jordan_UEvanCarroll_home, http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/BulletProofX/04:39
EvanCarroll_homethe only difference between this monitor selection and app, and the old way of doing it, is the old way dropped you to a useful console and the new way just annoyingly restarts the app under xinit04:40
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EvanCarroll_homethe kicker, if you edit Xorg.conf you have to killall xinit, or you can't restart gdm because the screen is being used by xinit04:41
Jordan_UEvanCarroll_home, Have you tried the tool that lets you load monitor settings from a Windows driver CD ( sorry, I realize that you are having a problem but I am curious )04:41
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MTecknologythere we go - my first bug report ever04:41
Jordan_UMTecknology, What on ( just give the number / URL ) ?04:41
EvanCarroll_homeJordan_U: no, I throw away all of those. I like most decent geeks have my refresh rates memorized.04:41
MTecknologyJordan_U, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/14793204:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 147932 in gnome-panel "Panel doesn't appear for first logon" [Undecided,New] 04:42
EvanCarroll_homeJordan_U: and if not I would sooner use elinks to find it than scourge through cds, it should also be noted the app does not allow custom entry of rates, it only accepts windows driver cds or the preconfigured list.04:42
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Jordan_UEvanCarroll_home, Didn't realize that ( havn't got any HD space for Gutsy currently ), you should file a bug asking for an option for manually entering settings04:43
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Jordan_UEvanCarroll_home, Does it still go to this error screen after about a minute ( http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/BulletProofX/100_1118.m.JPG ) if you stay in the configuration dialog?04:44
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MTecknologyJordan_U, did I make a good enough bug report for that?04:44
Jordan_UEvanCarroll_home, I have been trying to hack at a solution myself for a while now and would hate to keep working if this bug has already been fixed04:45
EvanCarroll_homeJordan_U: I can't view that link, I'm using irssi on console wo/screen right now04:45
EvanCarroll_homedebating on what route I want to take to get X working.04:46
Jordan_UEvanCarroll_home, Basically it (GDM ) tries to start another X session after about a minute of running the configuration dialog because GDM doesn't realize that the X is running properly already04:46
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Jordan_UEvanCarroll_home, Which then gives the same error as you would get running xinit with x already running04:47
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Jordan_UEvanCarroll_home, If you have a free minute please test to see if this bug is still present, it will save me a lot of time if it's already been fixed04:48
foxinesshi,on the middle of upgrading "after the fetch step" to Gutsy "the system shoutdown",then normal reboot blankscreen no fn-funcation,after that "ok there are rescue oh yes" then one dpkg --configure -a "a lot of work" Done,reboot still blank screen!,ok what is the next guys?04:49
Jordan_UOr actually, anyone running Gutsy currently willing to test something for me?04:49
EvanCarroll_homethats not what I'm expericing, I'm manually killing off xinit, and gdm before restarting init.d/gdm04:49
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Kr0ntabanyone know whther network-manager-vpnc package will be upgraded beyond the current version of 0.6.4svn2422?  Or at least know where one can find out?  Or is it just a waiting game until it hits the repos and packages site?04:50
MTecknologyJordan_U, sute04:50
EvanCarroll_homeI'm fairly against this implimentation. It just doesn't give with me. I've got a lot of bugs I'm experiencing across the board with gutsy.04:50
crimsungnomefreak: RE: the esd error, I need more info.04:50
EvanCarroll_homeJordan_U: In my own experience Mergefb is *totally* borked in gutsy too.04:50
EvanCarroll_homeat least with my x61s.04:50
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EvanCarroll_homeevery time you suspend and bring it back you hard freeze on Xinput. And the stupid autoconfigure utility wants to nuke my hand crafted mergefb config04:51
EvanCarroll_homewhich makes me cry.04:51
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Jordan_UMTecknology, foobar your xorg.conf ( and know how to restore it of course ), for instance change the driver to "thisisnotavaliddriver" then restart X, the bulletproof X tool should come up, let it sit there for ~ 2 minutes and see if you you get this error screen http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/BulletProofX/100_1118.m.JPG04:52
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patrickkkkkkkkkkhow can you change the trash bin icon?04:53
MTecknologyJordan_U, foobar?04:53
EvanCarroll_homei think gutsy has placed so much weight on xinerama, that people don't realize it isn't 3d acceled. which is bad in my eyes.04:53
EvanCarroll_homeand the autoconf app only supports xinerama, and not mergefb/twinview04:53
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defconin gutsy my X login window, when I login is a resolution too BIG, how to adjust it04:53
defconhow do i*04:53
Jordan_UMTecknology, Change it in some way that will keep X from starting correctly, like changing the driver section from "nvidia" to "IlikeKittens" :)04:54
EvanCarroll_homebetter xinerama than nothing i suppose, but mergefb is bugged out in gutsy too04:54
foxinessdefcon, vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf04:54
nrossinI have a bunch of videos in a folder and for some reason, I can't figure out how to make Dolphin show previews of them for the icons... how do I set that up?  Right now it just has the Kaffeine icon.04:54
defconfoxiness, ok which line04:54
EvanCarroll_homedefcon: it isn't the resolution, it is the fonts, that another shitty feature of gutsy. that is the dpi independant font scaling I'm betting that you are seeing.04:54
EvanCarroll_homedefcon: try appearence, fonts, advanced04:54
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EvanCarroll_homeor something like that.04:54
MTecknologyJordan_U, good?  Driver          "Kitties"       #"fglrx"04:55
Jordan_UMTecknology, Yup04:55
Jordan_UMTecknology, Remember to wait a minute or two, if the error screen does come up it will take a while04:55
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defconi think i found it, subsection/ virtual04:56
defconchanged it to Virtual1280102404:56
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foxinessif the system broken on the middle of upgrade and the x broken,how can i restore the system or continue the upgrede ?04:56
EvanCarroll_homefoxiness: apt-get -f install04:56
Jordan_Ufoxiness, Try "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"04:56
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riotkittiekitties. yay.04:57
Jordan_Ufoxiness, Do what EvanCarroll_home said first04:57
MTecknologyJordan_U: nothing yet04:57
foxinesshi,on the middle of upgrading "after the fetch step" to Gutsy "the system shoutdown",then normal reboot blankscreen no fn-funcation,after that "ok there are rescue oh yes" then one dpkg --configure -a "a lot of work" Done,reboot still blank screen!,ok what is the next guys?04:57
MTecknologyIma go pee quick04:57
foxiness^^^ i think the step of apt-get -f install not needed right?04:58
nrossinIs Dolphin capable of showing video previews?04:58
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foxinessand if i do dist-upgrade it say need to get more than 300MB on console am on wireless network or can i ignore it?04:59
MTecknologyJordan_U: still nothing04:59
RyoThis is really annoying.  I swear Ubuntu's feature count is going down every day.  Yesterday I lost every single thing in my start menu, now all my screensavers are gone.04:59
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Jordan_UMTecknology, The bug is probably already fixed then.04:59
MTecknologyJordan_U: tty1 was flickering for a bit - but nothing else05:00
Jordan_UMTecknology, Which is great, but it makes me feel like an idiot :)05:00
riotkittieif you are doing dist-upgrade, and you ignore the 300mb of files that you need... its safe to say you wont be dist-upgrading. one assumes05:00
MTecknologyJordan_U: aight - i'm heading home now :) - ttyal05:00
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riotkittieRyo: what exactly vanished from your "start menu"?05:00
Ryoriotkittle:  Application menu.  Sue me.  And every single application link is gone.05:01
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h1st0I had some similiar problems iwth wine disappearing and shortcuts I created with alcarte05:01
foxinessriotkittie, can i go wireless on console "conn to access point" am using "NetworkManager=roming"05:01
h1st0Ryo: right click and edit menus make sure its checked to be visible05:01
Ryohist0 It can't be checked to visible because it's no longer there.05:02
EvanCarroll_homeRyo: that's part of the fun that is modern gnome, you either develop it or you're lost, I think the startmenu is store in gconf2, into /usr/share but I'm not sure, I've had this problem and iirc it isn't in ~/.g*05:03
riotkittiefoxiness: yes. you may  need to edit /etc/network/interfaces to manually configure your device and connection, tho05:03
foxinessRyo, DnD from bar =add/remove=05:03
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npurcifulwhats up everyone05:04
foxinessriotkittie, thanks a lot05:04
foxinessthanks EvanCarroll_home , Jordan_U05:04
npurcifulI got a question, i once had 3 hdd in my computer (just have 2 now) hda hdb hdd well hdd use to be hda and was my root w/boot and now hda is a new 320g hdd. so i install kubuntu on the new hda install grub to hda but grub also added hdd1 to menu list under 'other'. i no long have that drive connected05:05
Jordan_Ufoxiness, np05:05
RyoEvanCarroll_home  Well, thanks for for the information.  I guess I'll just try and live with it till they fix it.05:05
Jordan_Unpurciful, "sudo update-grub"05:06
foxinessi have a lot of work today :) bye05:06
npurcifulI have ran grub-install -recheck /dev/hda && update-grub05:06
Jordan_Unpurciful, Might want to back up your /boot/grub/menu.list first though05:06
Jordan_Ujust in case05:06
npurcifulthe device.map doesnt show hdd05:06
EvanCarroll_homehah! that will never be fixed.05:06
npurcifulbut it still comes up with /dev/hdd1 under other05:07
EvanCarroll_homesorry, dude, random behavoir is the result of anything non-standardized, and gnome doesn't have the galls to push one static config location.05:07
npurcifulusing kubuntu, if it makes a diff05:08
EvanCarroll_homenpurciful: does /proc/partitions05:08
riotkittiehm.  i wonder if my drivers were updated.05:09
npurcifulI check uuid's & fstab for invalid entrys05:09
EvanCarroll_homehrm, now i feel stupid.05:09
EvanCarroll_homethis is totally screwed up. I wish i knew more about this to file the bug report.05:10
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npurcifulsoon myth will be freed so i cant reboot going to recover mode cd and run grub from there05:11
npurcifuli mean it isnt a show stopper05:12
npurcifulbut a weird oddity05:12
EvanCarroll_homeSo I dist-upgraded again in gutsy this morning, and X wouldn't book, I figured shit, Xorg hasn't changed in years!! well that annoying gui app was of absolutely no use at all, but I dpkg-reconfigured xserver-xorg, and slammed enter a bunch -- the Windows way, -- and the damn thing started, with the nv kernel module, which tells me two things, that the error is infact in the nvidia kernel module, and that the gui-bullet proo05:12
EvanCarroll_homeand of coarse the obvious difference, the generated xorg.conf went with the nv kernel module, rather than the nvidia proprietary one i had.05:13
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npurcifulhum, updating my self know05:13
dnok i was doing my update but after a while it reported that it had failed05:14
dnit told me to do something dpkg *something* -a but i accidently closed the window05:14
EvanCarroll_homeI wonder if the nvidia module is not compatable with my new kernel build, or if nvidia just wasn't rebuilt for this kernel, nvidia-glx, does not float with 2.6.22 in gutsy.05:14
dnhowever, i rebooted and i'm into gutsy and it's -working- but it didn't do the cleanup or anything05:14
EvanCarroll_homedn: dpkg-reconfigure -a05:14
EvanCarroll_homedn: that's probably a v. bad idea though.05:14
dnyea something about addusers and wotnot?05:15
EvanCarroll_homedn: it stings depending on what your verbosity is when you do it, if you have verbosity too high you can be begining hours of tedium.05:15
EvanCarroll_homedn: dpkg-reconfigure -a runs post-inst scripts for all of your .debs iirc.05:15
npurcifulrebooting 15min windows05:15
EvanCarroll_homedn: dpkg has different levels of verbosity, a post-inst script can set a default if the level of verbosity falls under the level required for prompt you get default. however, there could be upwards of 200 questions now in a desktop system, which is a lot of answering if you have it set.05:16
EvanCarroll_homeI've made this mistake **more than once**05:16
dnas i say, it's -working- i'm just worried it didn't finish the job properly05:17
EvanCarroll_homedn: to fix the job, a better option is `apt-get -f install`05:17
dnisn't there a way of 'redoing'  update-manager -c -d05:17
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EvanCarroll_homewhich will just bring your system to a stable state if it can.05:17
EvanCarroll_homeI don't use update-manager, I find it provides a more rocky update most of the time then the time-tested apt-get05:17
EvanCarroll_homehowever, most of the functionality is now across the board to the libapt frontends.05:18
dnwhat did you do, put the gutsy repos in /etc/apt/sources.list?05:18
EvanCarroll_homeopen it in vim and :%s/feisty/gutsy/g05:18
dnis there any way i can manually (quickly preferably of course) do the 'cleanup' that update manager would have provided?05:19
EvanCarroll_homedel the automatix and -backports if you have them too05:19
EvanCarroll_homedn: manually is bad with package manager. try an apt-get -f install in shell05:19
dndoing it now.. it's removing 450mb~ of files05:20
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npurcifulthat didnt change anything05:28
npurcifulwhat is the definition of bug05:34
npurcifulthe software doesnt behave as intended05:35
|neon|have anyone tried crossover with gutsy , it will install but no menus are created05:36
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EvanCarroll_homenpurciful: be more descriptive..05:39
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EvanCarroll_homewhat "didn't change anything" and what do you want to happen?05:40
npurcifuloh the grub-install from rescue system menu05:41
npurcifulon installer cd05:41
EvanCarroll_homehow did it not work?05:42
EvanCarroll_homegrub-install /dev/hda05:42
EvanCarroll_homeor whatever you've got.05:42
npurcifulhdd is still showing up in my menu.lst,05:42
EvanCarroll_homeis removing it from the menu.lst manually not an option?05:43
npurcifulwe just talk for like 20min about this05:43
EvanCarroll_homewell then feel free to ignore me, I didn't backlog it =[05:43
npurcifulah it is ok, there is 240 peeps in here05:43
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npurcifulI thought that if i took the OS envirment away maybe it wouldnt find this mythical hdd anymore but i was wrong05:45
EvanCarroll_homedo check out update-grub if you haven't it has docs on how it automagically gens your menu.lst05:45
npurcifulyeah, i update-grub05:45
EvanCarroll_homedoes hdd show up in /proc/partitions?05:46
npurcifulcat /proc/partitions nope not there05:48
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Fractureis there any way to tell update-grub that kernel and initrd images aren't in /boot, but in some other folder ?05:51
jscinozHey guys, is there an easy way to tell if ACPI is functioning correctly on my laptop, i've heard that ACPI may not be controlling the GPU fan on this laptop which could result in problems05:51
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EvanCarroll_homeFracture: I want to say no, and shout at you that it is considered a feature.05:52
EvanCarroll_homeFracture: /boot isn't something Ubuntu made up, it a standard in the LFH and a long standard for LSB compliancy05:53
EvanCarroll_homeFracture: move /boot to point to wherever your images are, but the images must be in /boot.05:54
EvanCarroll_homejscinoz: yes, fuck with /proc/acpi05:54
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FractureEvanCarroll_home: hrm.. that's unfortunate.   I have a guts and fiesty installation, both with root partitions on LVM.  I have a single ext3 boot partition.  fiesty and gutsy update-grub can cause issues with eachothers kernels.. so I separate out them into folders of this boot partitiion.05:54
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Fracturefor example on gutsy : mount my boot partition on /media/boot then symlink /media/boot/gutsy (where the kernel and initrd are) to /boot05:55
h1st0Just curious if people have been experiencing random lockups with gutsy?05:55
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EvanCarroll_homeFracture: that requires a little more explaination about your lvm config05:56
EvanCarroll_homeFracture: you have both roots, point to the same lvg?05:56
FractureEvanCarroll_home: nothing to do with lvm config05:56
FractureI have /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-fiesty and /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-gutsy as the separate root partitions for each install05:57
Fracture/dev/sda1 is my boot partition, and it is mounted for both feisty and gutsy at /media/boot.  it contents is like this :05:58
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Fracture /grub /feisty-boot /gutsy-boot05:58
EvanCarroll_homeso why not just /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-fiesty/boot, and /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-gutsy/boot, and set up grub to boot off of the lvm05:59
Fracture /grub contains a menu.list with this :title   Feisty \n configfile /feisty-boot/grub/menu.lst \n \n title Gutsy 5  \n  configfile /gutsy-boot/grub/menu.lst05:59
FractureEvanCarroll_home: from what I could gather, grub can't boot from lvm06:00
EvanCarroll_homeI follow you totally, I'm just not sure why you have a single ext3 boot partition outside of the lvm =[06:00
EvanCarroll_homeFracture: I'm 99.9% certain that is incorrect.06:00
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EvanCarroll_homeFracture: You will have to either use a ram-image or statically compile the lvm modules into the kernel, but I would think it could be done.06:01
Fracturehrm.. ok.. well.. I would prefer each installation's root fs to contain its own /boot folderto have06:01
FractureEvanCarroll_home: hrm. now, how would I go about doing that ?06:01
EvanCarroll_homeI agree fully, that is the most kosher way to do it06:01
FractureI read somewhere that grub2 will support booting of lvm06:01
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Fracturebut, information about grub2 is hard to find06:02
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EvanCarroll_homeI'm going to google, because I'm interested too.06:02
Marfiafter installing gutsy, the menu in my "applicaitons" menu bar has disapeared. anyone have this problem?06:02
Marfior have any diea how to fix it?06:03
FractureEvanCarroll_home: cool.. let me know if you find something06:03
jscinozHey guys, im trying to get sensors-applet to read the temperature from the GPU, i can see this temp in nvidia-settings, but it doesnt appear as an option in sensors-applet, however gkrellm can see it just fine as GPU_C any ideas?06:03
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EvanCarroll_homeFracture: google lvm boot grub, second link06:03
EvanCarroll_homeFracture: possible since 1.9506:03
riotkittieyen nobe peopre ace dawitf that probelm. no, i dote know how to fix it.06:03
EvanCarroll_homeI'm not as concerned with how it is done, good luck on that =]  I imagine much like raid, which is as i said.06:04
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riotkittiei'm not even going to attempt to retype that. :|06:04
Marfiim thinking "dang, they are drunk"06:04
FractureEvanCarroll_home:  Multiple volume groups don't work with GRUB 1.95 however.06:05
riotkittieno, i'm sober. just sitting at a bad angle :x and my hands were somehow off. :x06:05
Marfinever would of guessed06:05
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EvanCarroll_homeFracture: csv co grub06:06
FractureEvanCarroll_home: lol06:06
Marfianyone have an idea about how to redo the menus under the application menu?06:06
EvanCarroll_homeFracture: that article is from 8/11 chances are those patches are outside of -dev now.06:06
Fractureyeah, i'll try with gutsy's grub - 0.97-29ubuntu406:06
EvanCarroll_homeMarfi: it is a pita, I've raised this issue on numerious occassions with everyone.06:07
MarfiEvanCarroll_home, is there a fix for it though?06:07
EvanCarroll_homeMarfi: there is a gconf-editor command that will do it, I just forget it.06:07
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EvanCarroll_homeMarfi: This is partly because gnome has no logical organization.06:07
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MarfiEvanCarroll_home, hehe  =)06:08
EvanCarroll_homeMarfi: the setting iirc is not in your home dir, it is somewhere distant, and gconf-editor doesn't even have documented the flag you need to get this to work06:08
FractureEvanCarroll_home: I've tried "grub-install /dev/mapper/Ubuntu-gutsy--tribe--5" and I get "/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-gutsy--tribe--5 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive."06:08
CreationistI'm running Kubunty Gutsy.  If I had problems with nvidia-glx-new (the automatically installed driver), would it be worth trying nvidia-glx?06:08
EvanCarroll_homeMarfi: essentially gnome has a registry like windows, (and soon .net), and like windows, there is little to no logical orgnaization to it, you have environmental variables, /etc/defaults, ~/.gconf ~/.gnome2, and numerious directories in /usr/* iirc and they all cascade for the defaults of gnome.06:09
EvanCarroll_homethe one you speak of is surely in a gconf setting somewhere in a global directory, iirc.06:10
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EvanCarroll_homeFracture: grub-install iirc, installs to mba on a hw device only. this is something I honestly don't have as much exp on as i should.06:11
MarfiEvanCarroll_home, i think i get it. when it didn't come up, someone had me run "rm -rf ~/.config/menus" or something like that. the file was empty before then, of course06:11
Marfithen tried to reinstall gnome-menus06:11
EvanCarroll_homegrub is a chained bootloader, grub in /boot, can chain to another grub on lvm, or you can have grub in boot list both of the kernels in lvm, with the args telling the kernel what to mount as root.06:11
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EvanCarroll_homeso it might look something like this kernel=2.6.22-foobarbaz root=/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-gutsy lvm or such06:12
FractureEvanCarroll_home: yeah, I understand all of that.. and I have a setup that works, but whenever update-grub runs after an apt-get update, I have to manually edit the generated menu.lst file to change some bits.06:12
EvanCarroll_homeFracture: you might have to tell grub to stop automagically borking your system.06:13
EvanCarroll_homesee /etc/defaults on the lvms.06:13
FractureEvanCarroll_home: what happens then if the apt-get update upgrades the kernel, then I will have to manually upgrade menu.lst06:13
EvanCarroll_homeor chmod the menu.lst and don't allow +w06:13
EvanCarroll_homeFracture: you're asking for something that is kind of esoteric ;( you might not get your cake and eat it too on this one. I'm not sure, I don't make a hobby out of lvm and grub.06:14
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rafael__is it possible to upgrade my ubuntu feisty fawn to ubuntu gutsy with the iso cd ?06:15
FractureEvanCarroll_home: well. it shouldn't be esoteric to have 2 or more linux installations using lvm, without having to have separate non lvm boot partitions for them all.06:15
rafael__thank u06:15
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Fractureso, either grub (and related tools) needs to work with boot on lvm, or it needs to support having multipls 'kernel sets' on a single ext3 boot partition06:16
EvanCarroll_homeI wouldn't think so, but I've seen more trival operations that I'm sure have required a more complex configuration than the one you're facing06:16
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EvanCarroll_homeif update-grub doesn't recurse into lvms I wouldn't expect a simple solution.06:17
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Viroocan anyone see me ?06:17
EvanCarroll_homeViroo: nope.06:17
cdm10Has anyone had any problems with Samba in Gutsy?06:17
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contrast83This || close to having a completely smooth-looking boot in Gutsy. :-D06:19
VirooI faced a problem with installer of gusty beta06:19
Viroois the installer buggy?  it stops at the gparted without responding06:19
cdm10Viroo: It may well be buggy, it's a beta.06:19
cdm10!alternate | Viroo06:19
Virooit stops while scanning disks , reaches 53%, then keeps waiting forver06:20
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ubotuViroo: The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal06:20
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VirooI didnt see the alternate when i wanted to download the cd06:20
VirooI always liked the alternate better06:21
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ubotufsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot06:22
CreationistI need to get the proprietary nVidia drivers working.  The nvidia-glx-new completely screws up my resolution and nvidia-glx gives a lot of errors when I run glxinfo.  Anyone have any ideas what I can try next?06:22
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Marfigot an error message!  =) "failed loading - applications.menu"06:23
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Marfianyone know how i can recover the options that were under my application menu?06:24
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cps1966Marfi:  nkde or gnome06:24
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cps1966if you delete gnome2 dir in home it should return to normal06:25
contrast83won't that delete all his other gnome-related preferences as well?06:26
kyjait appears that my ati mobility radion x600 over clocks and kills my computer. just like plug gets pulled. runs the cpu cyles up high. I have a 3.4 ghz p4 with that hyper threading like it has two cpu's. I have tried this with both non restricted graphics drivers and also the restricted ati driver.06:26
mikubuntuhelp... anybody else having the problems with screen that i have since doing upgrade to gutsy?  split screen, two cursors, etc... ?06:26
contrast83i thought gnome used ~/.config/menus for its menus, but i'm on kde so i can't say for sure.06:27
mikubuntucpsl: so what's the fix?06:27
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cps1966i dont have gnome atm so i cant say06:27
CreationistI need to get the proprietary nVidia drivers working.  The nvidia-glx-new completely screws up my resolution and nvidia-glx gives a lot of errors when I run glxinfo.  Anyone have any ideas what I can try next?06:28
mikubuntui thought the developers would have got a handle on it and fixed through updates, but not yet ...06:28
cps1966i have my own problems with second sata controler06:28
contrast83Creationist: what card?06:28
Marficps1966, completely remove the gnome2 directory?06:28
kyjamikubuntu, have you tried the screen and graphics control pannel? that handles multiheaded screens06:29
cps1966i would or rename it06:29
contrast83Marfi: see if ~/.config/menus exists first. if it does, try deleting that first.06:29
Marficontrast83, the folder exists, yes06:30
contrast83Marfi: does it look like it's the one that was changed by whatever you did?06:30
cps1966just rename it06:30
Marficontrast83, there is nothing showing up when i click the applications06:31
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Creationistcontrast83: It's an nVidia Geforce 620006:31
mikubuntukyja: ya, i've tried all the screen control areas i could find ... :(06:31
Marfirenamed it, re-applied the applet, and nothing happened06:31
Marficontrast83, what do you mean?06:32
cps1966Marfi:  restartxserver06:32
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contrast83Creationist: you *could* try manually installing the driver from nVidia's site.06:33
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Marfinada. =/06:33
Creationistcontrast83: Hmm... I had to do that back with Edgy06:33
Marfiany more ideas?06:34
contrast83Creationist: i've had to do that a couple times. seems my card is picky about what packages it'll cozy up to.06:35
Creationistokay... brb06:35
cps1966Marfi:  what exactly is missing06:35
Marficps1966, on the menu bar, everything under "applications" is gone. the things under place and system are all there06:36
skinnypuppy1334Anyone successfully remote gnome-session through ssh? I can ssh -X to another lan ubuntu and run single programs no prob. I want to be able to use all 3lan p/c's from one location with f2 f5 f12 etc.06:36
Marficps1966, when i click applications, it will show up a small box like there was never anything there to begin with06:37
cps1966maybe right click it and see what it says06:37
skinnypuppy1334I had tried pretty much everything mentioned in this thread but to no avail.06:37
Marfiright click, edit menus, "starting main menu," and closes right back out06:37
cps1966edit menu06:38
skinnypuppy1334Gutsy Fiesty and dapper one of each all openssh06:38
Marfii was able to get an error message, "failure loading - applications.menu"06:38
Marfii did, right clicked it, edit menu, said "starting menu" and it closed while loading06:39
cps1966then you need task gnome06:39
Marficps1966, how do i go about getting that?06:39
cps1966just open a terminal or alt f106:40
Marfiwhat is the name of the package? task gnome?06:40
cps1966i think so06:41
Marfinot there. only thing is "tasks" which is a scheduler. didn't see it under "gnome tasks" either06:41
DanaGbug 12183306:42
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12183306:42
DanaGAnd what's worse, I now have to press my brightness keys FIVE times between brightness levels.06:42
cps1966oh ok ubuntu-desktop06:43
Marficps1966, holy hell, how was it not installed on my computer? lol06:43
cps1966its the meta package that installs all gnome goodies06:44
cps1966updating sometimes takes things out and dont replace them06:45
cps1966Marfi:  i use to many distros also06:46
Marficps1966, i also have ubuntustudio on here for looks, because it gives the taskbar a nice effect. thats what the problem was. thx a ton! *continues reinstalling(06:47
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Marficps1966, how many different versions of ubuntu are there? lol06:48
cps1966mint is one06:48
cps1966and about 7 others06:48
FractureEvanCarroll_home: I found a solution - I patch update-grub by changing kernel_dir from /boot to /gutsy-5-boot - this is the variable it uses to write the kernel and initrd lines to menu.lst.06:49
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contrast83mint isn't a version of ubuntu anymore than ubuntu is a version of debian. they're forks.06:51
contrast83err, derivatives.06:51
cps1966funny it use ubuntu repositories06:51
contrast83along with its own, i believe.06:52
cps1966just ubuntu06:52
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contrast83erm... so the packages that contain all the mint artwork are in ubuntu's repos?06:53
cps1966maybe or on install cd06:53
contrast83hmm... last time i tried out mint, there *were* at least a couple non-ubuntu repositories in the default sources.list. my mistake, if that's changed since then.06:54
Hobbseecps1966: uh?  mint doesnt have it's stuff in our repos.06:55
cps1966hey i didn't say it did06:56
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cps1966its just a art work is all06:56
Hobbseecps1966: last i checked, even the mint artwork isnt in our repos06:57
cps1966or theme06:57
Hobbsee(or else, i need to stop rejecting mint bugs, and send them elsewhere)06:57
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cps1966Hobbsee:  when is fsck going to be fixed06:58
Hobbseecps1966: when someone fixes it.06:58
cps1966is that going to happen before release06:59
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DanaGmy bug: bug 12183307:04
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12183307:04
mon^rchany luck installing vmware on gutsy folks?07:05
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Hobbseemon^rch: server? player?  workstation?07:06
chotchkihey guys, i just updated my gusty install for amd64... and kdeinit and kdm are all kinds of broken07:06
mon^rchworkstation 607:06
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Hobbseechotchki: more info?07:06
chotchki anyone else seeing this issue? (im getting some kind of core bus error)07:06
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chotchkiHobbsee: im trying to track down the exact error07:07
chotchkibut ive been seeing it on an off with other programs in the last week07:07
HealthyElijahchotchki: did u use iso?07:07
HealthyElijahimage on cd?07:08
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chotchkiHealthyElijah: nope, ive been slowly following gutsy since the branch occured07:08
HealthyElijahA developer was in another channle earlier and said not to update o Gutsy it will break things07:09
alka_trashsince upgrading to gutsy I have not been able to disable irc login and outs with pidgin.  I can't freaking find the setting. I have enabled IRC helper, but I can't  find it.  please help me on this EASY issue. Thanks07:10
HealthyElijahHe suggested using a ISO07:10
HealthyElijahI read another report that a upgrade went bad and the user was forcsed to do a clean install07:10
HealthyElijahalka_trash: I have been trying to do that for 1 month. What was the command in the first place? Everyone I ever asked on IRC said I couldn't.07:11
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chotchkiyuck, that will be painful07:11
chotchki(xfs soft-raid)07:11
KalElhi, while trying to upgrade from 7.04, my installation stops07:11
chotchkiserves me right though07:12
KalEli believe this file is not in the server: http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy-security/universe/i18n/Translation-en_IN.bz207:12
KalElcan i somehow still try to install? may be somehow can i specify a mirror...?07:12
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HealthyElijahalka_trash: was there ever a setting?07:13
alka_trashHealthyElijah:  you have to install the pidgin plugin pack07:13
DanaGI hate having to press my brightness key 3 times to get the next brightness level.07:13
alka_trashand it add IRC helper, and it lets you suppress the login. logout messages07:13
alka_trashbut I can't find the setting :(07:14
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philipanyone having trouble with KTorrent?07:16
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contrast83not i. what's the problem?07:21
alka_trashI found it!07:22
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jscinoz__hey guys07:22
alka_trashinstall the pidgin plugin pak, then under plugins it's now called Join/Part Hiding07:22
alka_trashdone  :)07:22
jscinoz__What is the max idle temp a nvidia GPU in a laptop should have?07:23
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shiznitanyone use a dock app?07:25
jscinoz__Yes shiznit, i use avant-window-navigator07:25
shiznitis it good07:25
jscinoz__Yes, best dock in my opinion07:25
shiznitruns on gutsy?07:25
jscinoz__if you give me a sec07:26
jscinoz__i can get you repos for i07:26
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jscinoz__deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42 gutsy all07:27
jscinoz__deb-src http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42 gutsy all07:28
shizniti add those to the main repo list?07:28
jscinoz__yeah, /etc/apt/sources.list07:28
jscinoz__just shove those lines at the bottom07:28
jscinoz__and do an apt-get update07:28
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contrast83"# echo 'deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42 gutsy all' >> /etc/apt/sources.list" - is that considered unsafe?07:29
shizniti got some no public key available error07:30
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jscinoz__ah hang on07:30
jscinoz__let me find you key07:30
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jscinoz__gimme a few mins, gotta open firefox - startup session of 200+ tabs >_<07:31
shiznitu better have your tab bar on the side for that07:31
jscinoz__what was that command again contrast? gpg --keyserver something --recv something07:31
jscinoz__good thing i have 4gb of ram, or 3.5gb as 32bit ubuntu sees it07:32
contrast83jscinoz__: i just do "wget http://key.url -O- | apt-key add -"07:32
shiznityea i hata that limitatio, on my desktop it only sees 3.207:32
jscinoz__yeah but i gotta find the url for the key07:32
shiznitdamn 8800gtx stealing my ram07:32
jscinoz__wait theres an easier way..07:32
shizniti should kick it07:32
contrast83ohh... not sure.07:33
jscinoz__i had it written down in a file somewhere....07:33
contrast83shiznit: i'll take that off your hands. you can have my 7600gs. :-P07:33
jscinoz__shiznit, what is the key it asks for when you apt-get update07:33
jscinoz__it should be an 8-16 hex code07:33
shiznit NO_PUBKEY 576856718434D43A07:33
jscinoz__alright one sec07:33
jscinoz__gah firefox is taking its time07:34
jscinoz__this many tabs = bad07:34
jscinoz__any time now...07:34
shiznitopera 9.5 is crazy fast07:34
contrast83jscinoz__: i think firefox has a command line option for starting a new session07:34
jscinoz__probably. but ohwell07:35
jscinoz__shiznit, you start opera with over 200 tabs see how long it takes :P07:35
jscinoz__fine then07:35
jscinoz__beat me too it :P07:35
contrast83so "wget -q http://download.tuxfamily.org/syzygy42/8434D43A.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -"07:35
contrast83anyone know of a gutsy repo for kiba-dock?07:37
shiznitsays soemthing about a virtual package and that i need to explicitly select07:37
jscinoz__a quick way to do it if you cant find the key easily is: "gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv KEYHASH && gpg --export --armor KEYHASH | sudo apt-key add -"07:37
jscinoz__shiznit, try the package avant-window-navigator07:38
jscinoz__should get the deps07:38
shizniti did07:38
contrast83replace KEYHASH with the key's filename, right?07:38
shiznitits says Package avant-window-navigator is a virtual package provided by:07:38
shiznit  avant-window-navigator-bzr 0.1.2-bzr121-107:38
shiznitYou should explicitly select one to install.07:38
shiznitE: Package avant-window-navigator has no installation candidate07:38
contrast83sudo apt-get install avant-window-navigator-bzr07:38
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jscinoz__oh yeah it is the bzr one :P07:39
shiznitok what now07:40
jscinoz__install that package07:40
shizniti did07:40
jscinoz__then run "avant-window-navigator"07:40
jscinoz__it should appear07:41
jscinoz__you need to be running a composite window manager07:41
jscinoz__eg compiz :P07:41
shizniti am07:41
shiznitbut i got error message07:41
shiznita motherload of stuff07:41
shizniti probably need to pastebin it, i tried installing cairo before this and it might have messed up something07:42
shizniti though i got rid of everything07:42
jscinoz__pastebin it07:42
jscinoz__in the meantime... is it possible to override the package version created with dpkg-buildpackage07:43
contrast83can't you just "aptitude purge" it?07:43
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jscinoz__im making a patched sensors-applet07:44
jscinoz__but update-manager tries to replace it with normal one07:44
jscinoz__so i need to add something to its version07:44
jscinoz__well shit07:45
jscinoz__No idea whats causing that07:45
shiznitmaybe the apt-get autoremove i did? it said to do it lol07:45
jscinoz__not sure...07:45
contrast83jscinoz__: ohh, i misunderstood. so you want to hold sensors-applet at its current version, right?07:46
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jscinoz__yes, and without using the lock version thing07:46
shiznitis there a log of all package installations, so i can see what that cairo-dock .deb added07:47
mikubuntuanybody have a fix for the gutsy screen problems yet?07:47
contrast83jscinoz__: the lock version think in Synaptic?07:47
jscinoz__Thats my last resort, im planning on distributing the package so i need it to think its higher than 1.7.12+dfsg, maybe add a +nv to the end of the version07:48
jscinoz__shiznit, not sure, if there is it might be in /var/cache/apt07:48
contrast83shiznit: how did you install it?07:48
shizniti dowloaded the .deb and double clicked07:48
contrast83hmm... anyone know what backend that uses?07:49
contrast83jscinoz__: why'd you run awn as root? -_~07:49
jscinoz__i didnt07:49
jscinoz__you mean shiznit07:49
contrast83oop, sorry. heh07:50
jscinoz__shiznit, run avant-window-navigator without sudo07:50
jscinoz__see if it works then07:50
shiznitok lol07:50
shiznitthat woks now07:50
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contrast83just FWI, *never* run any GUI apps with sudo. always use gksu or kdesudo instead07:51
shiznitok will do, thanks for all the help07:51
shiznitcan i add shortcut icons to this07:52
shiznitoh ok "lauchers"07:52
shizniti see it07:52
contrast83shiznit: should be able to just drag and drop from the applications menu07:52
jscinoz__Avant is awesome07:53
jscinoz__and theres a whole bunch of plugins you can get to add features07:53
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jscinoz__like a curved dock and other cool stuff07:53
jscinoz__like integration with pidgin07:53
contrast83i would be using Avant instead of Kiba, but it seems Kiba plays slightly better with KDE.07:53
shizniti need this so i can get rid of one of the bars,07:53
shiznitneed my vertical realestate07:54
jscinoz__doesnt the panel take up less verticale space than the dock...07:55
shiznitnot if you autohide, i just need it for launchers07:55
shiznitcan you move it to the top07:55
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jscinoz__hang on07:58
jscinoz__probably, you might need a plugin07:58
shiznitthe spotlight effect is sweet07:58
contrast83if not, you *can* move Kiba-Dock to the top. there's not a Gutsy repo for it yet, but Trevino's Feisty one is working fine for me so far.07:58
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jscinoz__i m not running compiz or anything 3d atm as ACPI is being a bitch about running my GPU's fans07:59
shiznitacpi has contol of gpu fan?07:59
jscinoz__apparently it should07:59
jscinoz__this is a laptop btw08:00
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contrast83afaik, acpi controls everything power/cooling-related08:00
jscinoz__my GPU seems to overheat, the screen scrambles and the system hangs08:00
shiznitit probably one fan for gpu and cpu,08:00
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shiznitwith heatpipes from both08:00
fignewjscinoz__: what type of vidcard?08:01
jscinoz__contrast83, figured out how to ovverride version, add a new entry in pkgsrc/debian/changlog08:01
jscinoz__fignew, 8400M GS08:02
mikubuntudoes anybody know where tomboy notes are stored by default?08:02
fignewbinary drivers?08:02
mikubuntudoes anybody know where tomboy notes are stored by default?08:03
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jscinoz__fignew, yes08:04
fignewjscinoz__: install nvidia_settings08:04
jscinoz__its installed08:04
fignewsorry, nvidia-settings08:04
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jscinoz__well, the one contained in the nvidia-glx-new package08:04
fignewand that'll give you the temperature08:04
fignewof your GPU... ACPI has nothing to do with the GPU fans08:05
contrast83jscinoz__: oh ok. the only packages i've "made" were with checkinstall. i want to learn how to make real packages, but i don't even know enough about make to do that yet. :-\08:05
jscinoz__fignew, what causes the problem where on heavy load for extended periods of time the screen becomes scrambled and my system hangs? overheating?08:06
jscinoz__contrast83, install the package epm, good way to build packages easily08:06
fignewdoes nvidia-settings say it's running hot?08:06
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jscinoz__fignew, 70C at idle08:06
jscinoz__not running compiz or anything 3d08:06
contrast83jscinoz__: standards-compliant packages?08:06
jscinoz__contrast83, not sure08:06
shiznitdamn dude, my 8800gtx idles at 6008:06
fignewyea, 70 is pretty hot08:07
jscinoz__yeah but i'm on a laptop08:07
jscinoz__for a laptop?08:07
shizniti know but it still seems hot08:07
fignewwell *70* is fine, but mine goes up 20c under load08:07
fignewand 90c isn't good ;)08:07
shiznitspeaking of nvidia, the only way i could get the 8800gtx to work with fiesy was Envy, i had to use vesa until that script installed the driver08:08
shizniti tried nvidia-glx, nvidia-glx-new, and the binary, nothing worked08:08
jscinoz__i'm going to start a game and crank it up to max detail and see what temp gets to08:09
shiznitit would "failed to initialize, no screens found every time08:09
jscinoz__and run compiz at the same time08:09
fignewthat's not that stressful for the card08:09
jscinoz__alright, running compiz + awn, starting a game to see temp rise08:10
jscinoz__it rose 5C from compiz + awn08:10
jscinoz__~85C at load, is that ok fignew08:11
jscinoz__fignew, what would be a way to max load the card?08:11
jscinoz__is there anything like 3dsmax for linux?08:11
bur[n] erblender does 3d stuff, but i know nothing if it's like 3dsmax08:12
jscinoz__what would put the heaviest load on the card?08:12
jscinoz__compiz-fusion + avant-window navigator + savage on full detail (25fps) rose the temp to 85C08:12
fignewglxgears seems to heat my card up alittle08:12
fignewyou play savage?08:12
contrast83load up several visualizers at once?08:13
fignewme too :)08:13
shiznit85 isnt bad08:13
shizniti wouldnt worry about it08:13
jscinoz__glxgears is hovering around 82-8508:13
shiznitthey dont throttle til like 11008:13
fignewsavage will do it, in the middle of the game just alt tab and see what your temperature is08:13
fignewwhat's your name on savage, I'm yoyoyo :)08:14
jscinoz__still kinda freaked out before when a good deal of pixels became white and my system hung, that happened on my old one and it fried the GPU08:14
jscinoz__fignew, name jscinoz, but i only play on australian servers because of ping08:14
jscinoz__fignew, Usually Gameareana #1 or 208:14
jscinoz__savage = awesome free game08:14
jscinoz__by the way08:14
jscinoz__i made a deb of savage08:14
jscinoz__anyone want it?08:14
jscinoz__holy fuck08:14
jscinoz__GPU at 93C08:15
jscinoz__from glxgears08:15
penguincentral!language | jscinoz__08:15
ubotujscinoz__: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.08:15
contrast83what kinda game is savage?08:15
jscinoz__is 93C safe?08:15
shiznitthats getting close to bad08:15
shizniti wouldnt go past 10008:15
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shiznitthey throttle at 105-110 i believe08:15
fignewjscinoz__: I was talking to you on savage IRC right?08:15
contrast83jscinoz__: do you have it on a site?08:15
jscinoz__contrast83_, www.notforidiots.com/SFE08:16
contrast83heh, nice url08:16
jscinoz__if you give me about 30mins i can upload a deb to my site08:16
shiznitis this a rts?08:17
jscinoz__not really08:17
jscinoz__only one player plays as RTS08:17
jscinoz__rest of team plays as FPS with some rts elements08:17
contrast83sounds interesting. i'll check back in here ~30 minutes. i'm off for now.08:18
jscinoz__what was that site starting with ppa.something that people could host repos on?08:18
jscinoz__ah ppa.launchpad.net08:19
shiznitcould you guys help me out with a audio stream problem, im new to linuc08:20
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shiznitwhoa raytraced weather?08:21
AmyRoseAre there any plans to package the Compiz Fusion tray icon for the benefit of those of us who aren't using GNOME?08:23
jscinoz__Wait, savage weather is raytraced?08:24
shiznitthat what the site says08:25
shiznitthe enhancements site08:26
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jimmacdonalddid an upgrade on my Kubuntu Gutsy laptop tonight and now can't get it back to a desktop. can someone help?08:31
DanaGmy bug: bug 12183308:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Low,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12183308:31
tonyyarussoshiznit: which site?  I know the NWS was switching today.08:31
tonyyarussoshiznit: the weather thing08:32
kurrosjscinoz__: that looks cool08:32
jscinoz__Anyone happen to know what license wolfenstien:enemy territory is under?08:32
tonyyarussoshiznit: oh, completely different.....:S08:33
jimmacdonaldI can get to a recovery command prompt.08:33
jimmacdonaldbut no desktop.08:34
jimmacdonaldI can get a network connection on that machine... I am running apt-get update right now, what do I do next?08:34
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jimmacdonaldrunning apt-get upgrade right now.08:37
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jscinoz__jimmacdonald, what stops you from getting to desktop? X fails to start?08:38
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jimmacdonaldgets to the load screen and then never transistions... it bombed out doing dbconf upgrade.08:39
jimmacdonaldI am rerunning the update from a recovery command shell...08:40
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jimmacdonaldit appears to be functioning this thime.08:42
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mithrohi! where is the best place to go to ask questions about Ubuntu and Xen, the Wiki suggests #ubuntu-xen but that channel is totally empty08:46
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jimmacdonaldrunning the upgrade from a command prompt appeared to have corrected the problem08:47
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shiznitupdate manager shows update available for ekiga but i can't click on it?09:02
shiznitis that intentional09:02
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penguincentrali have 144 updates.  I didn't download 90 of them because of my temporarily slow broadband, and another 54 of them are piled on...09:04
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penguincentrali've been punished :(09:04
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stefan_c69since I installed gutsy my brightness keys aren't working anymore...09:18
stefan_c69with kpowersave I can change the brightness, but the shortkeys don't work..09:18
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macogwstefan_c69: at all or does your brightness just act wrong?09:27
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stefan_c69only brightness09:28
stefan_c69volume keys work09:28
stefan_c69brightness just doesn't09:28
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PusurAnyone else getting an errot when the update-manager tries to load the file Sources.bz2?09:29
qziodoh, my brightness keys started to work as soon as i upgraded to gutsy... didnt work in feisty09:29
macogwmine work wrong09:30
macogwthey jump from bright to so-dark-that-windows-are-vague-shadows09:30
frostburnmine broke =P09:30
qzioanyone knows if they'll include 2.6.23 into gutsy when it is released?09:32
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macogwi think 22's the last for gutsy09:37
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qziomacogw: yeah.. i guess.. do you know what the next realse is named? so i can force upgrae of the kernel only09:40
kurrosqzio: "hardy" but repos wont be open until after the developers summit09:47
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shiznithola beta peopl09:53
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masterlokihey my computer all of a sudden thinks it has two cores um what the funk10:07
masterlokicat /proc/cpuinfo and top both show two cores10:08
masterlokiand i got this when there were NO p4 duals lol10:09
masterlokilike 4 yrs ago or so10:09
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kurrosis a P4 w/ HT?10:09
rothchildmasterloki - free upgrade, you should be pleased ;-)10:09
masterlokikurros, probably - i.e. yeah..10:10
shiznitht is 2 virtual cores10:10
shiznitthats y10:10
masterlokibut i dont think it showed multiple cores beofre10:10
masterlokigood answer...10:10
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masterlokiapparently it turned on finally ;)10:10
kurroser, what does cpuinfo for model?10:10
kurroser say10:10
kurrossorry its 4am getting sleepy10:10
masterlokimodel name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz10:10
masterlokiit had hypterthreading or w/e10:11
shiznitanyone use avant?10:11
kurrosyeah that could be an HT model10:11
masterlokibut i just guess its not been active before this - or ive not noticed it10:11
masterlokithanx i was like wteff10:12
shiznitht is very nice multitasking boost10:12
shiznitu should be happy10:12
masterlokii am ^^;;10:12
kurrosactually flags: should have ht listed in there, too10:12
masterlokish: /cat/proc/cpuinfo: not found10:12
masterlokiflags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid xtpr10:13
masterlokiflags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe cid xtpr10:13
masterlokiyup ht :>10:13
kurroswonder why it was never on before10:13
masterlokioh i probably didnt turn it on nor my roomate either...10:13
masterlokior i just didnt notice - ive been a penquin for the longest now..10:13
masterlokilike 3 months10:13
kurrosthere is a bios option for it, and I think it requires ACPI. so maybe you had ACPI off or there was a bug10:14
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masterlokiwell its on now and thats what matters10:14
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masterlokithis cpu 3gigs ram in dual mode nvidia card /w 512mb ram10:14
masterlokioh heck yeah :>10:14
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masterlokier 2gigs of ram mybad10:15
rothchildhow can I stop gnome from showing my windoze partition / drive on the desktop?10:17
_4strOsalut tout le monde10:17
masterlokirothchild, edit /etc/fstab10:25
masterlokiso it doesnt mount it10:25
masterlokior change the mount point to somewhere other than /media/whatever10:25
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rothchildah ok second option looks better as I still would like it mounted I just don't want to see it on the desktop, thanks10:26
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penguincentralhi py_10:32
penguincentralhow are you?10:32
py_fine, thx, and you?10:33
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Jaymacis there any way to change the screen resolution of gdm?  for some reason on my 4:3 monitor it comes up in 1920x1080 resolution10:33
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py_In fact I'm trying to boot the xubuntu gutsy tribe5 cd, but at the time where I suppose it tries to start X, the screen get black (not as in no signal received, there is one). Computer is not frozen (eg numlock works), but I'm stuck at that point. Ctrl-alt-fX won't let me to a console, and ctrl-alt-backspace has no effect. Is there a way to act on X setup at that point?10:34
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py_obviously, I also tried the "Safe graphics" option at cd boot, but I guess its more for framebuffer settings. Anyway it doesn't change the way I get stuck10:37
arinomiIs it possible to upgrade from Ubuntu Feisty to the testing version of Gutsy without having to reinstall and format?10:41
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Jaymacarinomi, yes: type in a terminal: gksudo "update-manager -c -d"10:44
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jscinozsensors-applet says my fan is spinning at 128053RPM O_o lies10:46
jscinozi think my laptop would be flying if it was going that fast :P10:46
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CountXjscinoz: maybe10:47
CountXjscinoz: i think its more likely it would blow up10:47
jscinozyeah :P10:47
jscinozno idea why it says its going so fast10:47
jscinozmaybe the i8k module is dodgy10:48
jscinozugh, my GPU is at 82C >_<10:48
CountXim in winblowz right now10:50
CountXisnt 82c like 150f?10:50
neildarlowhas anyone configured brasero's burn settings in gconf-editor? there seems to be a confilict in the cdrdao setting name and its tooltip10:50
Jaymacis java available in gutsy repos?10:50
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neildarlowJaymac: gutsy installs gcj java support be default10:51
CountXnot for runescape10:52
neildarlowJaymac: well actually ecj for javac and gij for java10:52
CountXcause i couldnt run it with stock java10:52
CountXnot that i would play runescape.....10:52
arinomiJaymac, please repeat the terminal command to upgrade from 7.04 to 7.1010:53
Jaymaci can't enable java on opera..10:53
Jaymacarinomi, gksudo "update-manager -c -d"10:53
neildarlowJaymac: you probably need to install the webplugin10:53
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Jaymacyeah i have it on ff...10:54
Jaymacnever mind10:54
Jaymaconly problem i have with gutsy is my gdm screen displays in 1920x1080 instead of 1280x102410:54
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neildarlowJaymac: can't you remove the offending Modeline from xorg.conf10:55
Jaymaci'll have a look10:55
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Bielekehi guys10:56
Bielekecan anybody help setting up my network card ?10:56
neildarlowJaymac: or dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and tell it to be more conservative about your monitor capabilities10:56
Jaymacthats weird... there is no mention of screen resolutions in my xorg10:56
Bielekelspci reports ADMTek NC10010:57
py_does a ssh server get automatically started when a gutsy live cd is booted?10:57
Bielekeand i have configured interfaces10:57
neildarlowJaymac: time to dpkg-reconfigure it then :)10:57
Bielekebut when i do networking restart it can't find device10:57
neildarlowBieleke: sounds like the module isn't loaded.10:58
Jaymacis this screens and graphics app worth checking out?10:58
neildarlowJaymac: maybe10:58
Bielekeneildarlow, true... i need to fix that, but have no clue how10:59
Jaymacneildarlow, seems there are others having the issue on the forum10:59
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Jaymacnot sure an xorg reconfig will fix it10:59
Jaymacas once i get to my desktop my resolution is fine10:59
neildarlowJaymac: i suggested it because it can generate xorg.conf for you11:00
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neildarlowBieleke: can you use the Network tool to configure your interface?11:00
Jaymacneildarlow, yeah i know.. but it isn't working for others on the forum11:01
Bielekeneildarlow, nope, cause it is gutsy server beta11:01
Bielekeno x11:01
Bielekeand cause my network-card is not loaded i can't install desktop either :-)11:02
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Bielekemaybe i should use desktop version :-)11:02
Bielekebut i thought, i just need lamp- and samba-server11:03
neildarlowBieleke: i think you need to "sudo modprobe tulip"11:03
neildarlowBieleke: then ifconfig eth0 should show something11:03
Bieleketulip ?11:04
Bielekei try11:04
neildarlowBieleke: i believe so. one moment11:04
neildarlowBieleke: yes that's the correct module for that card11:06
Bielekewell doesn't work :-(11:06
Bielekedevice not found11:06
neildarlowBieleke: what does ifconfig say?11:06
Bielekeeth0: error fetching interface information: device not found11:07
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neildarlowBieleke: are you sure the interface is enabled in your motherboard bios?11:08
Bielekeofcourse... cause first i had fedora11:09
neildarlowBieleke: and you're sure the device is an AMDtek NC100? the hardware compatibility listings say tulip should be used11:10
jmg_maybe its changed11:11
Bielekeat least that is what lspci says11:11
jmg_new driver?11:11
Bielekelspci -v11:11
BielekeEthernet controler AMDtek NC100 Network Everywhere fast ethernet11:12
shiznitcan someone help with firefox audio stream?11:12
Jaymacone more (probably basic) question... what's the easiest/best way to mount a windows with r/w on startup?11:13
BielekeADMTek sorry11:13
Jaymaci know in gutsy you can just double click on the volume, but that has to be done every time you start..11:13
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neildarlowJaymac: iirc, if there's an entry in fstab for the filesystem it should be mounted automatically11:24
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Jaymacand there isn't11:24
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neildarloware brasero's libburn settings overridden? i'm burning a cdrw and ps shows that wodim is being used11:26
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acemohow do i get mpg to work in kubuntu?11:27
neildarlowacemo: look in the wiki11:27
acemoneildarlow theres no up to date wiki for kubuntu 7.1011:28
Bielekelet's see if the desktop cd can detect it better11:28
neildarlowacemo: maybe not but the principle is the same11:28
Eq|workand the steps will be nearly identical11:29
Eq|workbut mpg should work with basically any media player11:29
Eq|workso just install whichever player you prefer.11:29
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jscinozshite.... GPU at 99C11:35
tux_flmy nic ip is getting wierd, help please?11:35
neildarlowtux_fl: explain weird11:36
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tux_flthanks.  Ive never had dhcp trouble before.  I have eth0 dhcp.  ifconfig returns ip = but my router is also /etc/resolv.conf has nameserver = by network manager.  has this problem with fiesty and now gutsy11:39
shiznitlol jscinoz11:39
tux_flroute default = mygateway1.Moto mask  where this come from?11:39
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neildarlowtux_fl: are you sure your DHCP server doesn't allocate IPs in the 192.168.15 netblock?11:41
tux_flany idea neil?11:41
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tux_flnever did before! whats best way to check or just rebootr router?11:41
neildarlowtux_fl: not yet. if you're using NetworkManager to manage your NIC, /etc/network/interfaces shouldn't have anything at all for eth011:42
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redheathi everyone11:43
redheatI just installed Kubuntu, and I"m trying to update it using the adept adapter, but when I try to apply the updates I get the following message11:43
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neildarlowtux_fl: if you want "auto eth0" and "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces then don't run NetworkManager at all11:44
tux_flneil /network/interfaces has auto ethx inet dhcp for all interfaces11:45
redheatthere was an error committing changes, possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit could brake some packaged11:45
tux_flmanually edit for static ip and not use netmanager?11:45
neildarlowtux_fl: that could be a problem. i've seen it before. you choose which method you want to use. i personally don't use NetworkManager because it kept dropping my wired connection. figure that one out :)11:46
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redheatthose in between11:46
|rgunn|redheat: and?11:46
redheatthat's it rgunn11:46
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redheatok gunny11:47
redheatis there a way I can redownload or fix those packages11:47
neildarlowredheat: are you using synaptic?11:47
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redheatno I"m in a Kubuntu session and I"m using adept adapter11:48
tux_flthanks neil.  i'll try now11:48
jussi01redheat: sudo apt-get install -f11:48
neildarlowredheat: then you should (i guess) be able to mark those packages for reinstallation. synaptic allows it, don't know adept11:48
jussi01if you have broken packages11:49
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ksthey guys, i'll probably only install gutsy once it's released as final... but i only got like 500-800mb free disk space on my dedicated linux partition (got /home on separate disk with lots of free space) ... can i still install gutsy or will i run into problems? how can i get rid of unneccessary stuff in my linux partition? :)11:49
jussi01kst: uninstall stuff?11:49
kstjussi01 like what?11:50
kstdoc files?11:50
Vorbotekst, what's the size of the root partition?11:50
jussi01kst: have you got extra preograms tyou could uninstall11:50
gunnykst: i doubt it !11:50
redheatyay its working, there were like two partially downloaded and not fully installed packages and that command fixed them..11:50
kstsize is 5gig, 4.2gig in use11:50
redheatthank you so much neildarlow and you too gunny11:50
redheatthank you guys for your help11:50
redheattake care and have a nice day11:51
gunnyredheat: cheerio11:51
kstgunny doubt that i can install it or that i run into problems? :)11:51
Vorbotekst, hmm... you have enough space in principle unless you have installed lots of extra apps.11:51
gunnykst: doubt it will fit hey but I'm guessing....11:51
VorboteFirst of all run a "apt-get clean" and see if that frees enough disk space. 1.5 Gb is OK to do an upgrade.11:51
kstVorbote well i did install lots of irc clients and music players for testing, but i more or less removed them all again... but somehow slowly but surely my linux install got bloated up :(11:52
Vorbotekst "apt-get clean"11:52
kstVorbote I do that like every day11:52
Bielekethe desktop version detects my card , but server version does not11:52
Bielekeisn't that strange ?11:53
kstthats why i wonder Vorbote, i even did localepurge and deborphan and still... it's way too big imo11:53
Vorbotekst, then you'll have to remove some apps you dont' use (and that don't remove ubuntu-desktop)11:53
jscinozshiznit, its ok, its still under 100C :P11:53
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Vorbotekst, probably you have installed some games. Those can take lots of disk space.11:53
kstVorbote only the default games ubuntu installs, rest is 1 q3 install which is on /home11:54
ksti even put my latex system on /home :) but lots of apps install somewhere i dont know ;-)11:54
kstis there a way to show which application takes up how much disk space?11:55
shiznitjscinoz, i would email nvidia and ask them what the safe range is11:55
gunnykst: can you repartion any windows/ntfs to make more room ?11:55
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jscinozshiznit i probably will, but for now im going to go afk and swim11:55
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wabiDi lost my tracker deskbar applet11:55
wabiDhow can i add it again11:55
kstgunny probably not.. i already had to cut lots from my winxp partition to put it on the linux one.. and there's like some stupid ntfs partition in the middle which cant be moved.. rest is on extended partition.. so basically, no.11:56
wabiDof course you can move it11:57
neildarlowwabiD: right-click panel and select it from "Add to Panel..."11:58
wabiDits gone from those options11:58
wabiDits literally lost.  i reinstalled it from synaptic and still no go11:58
wabiDi can add tracker search tool, and search files, but both of those are different11:59
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neildarlowwabiD: i was going to suggest reinstalling it. maybe a purge beforehand might help12:02
wabiDi found one more package to reinstall12:02
wabiDany way you can tell me where it installs to12:03
wabiDso i can add a custom applet for now12:03
neildarlowwabiD: it's a python applet. it installs stuff allover12:03
wabiDyea but what file can i run to get the same thing to pop up12:03
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gunnykst: du -sk * | sort -n    [be patient)12:05
neildarlowno idea. it doesn't have a /usr/bin/deskbar-applet or somesuch12:05
wabiDi found the install folder from synaptic12:06
wabiDbut there are way too many .py files12:06
neildarlowwabiD: have you done a "complete removal" and reinstall?12:06
neildarlowwabiD: try that12:07
wabiDwill it delete my index's12:07
neildarlowwabiD: not if you just remove deskbar-applet. the indexes are created by tracker12:07
neildarlowwabiD: they're user-specific data anyway, not system-wide12:08
wabiDohh i thought you ment ax tracker too12:08
neildarlowwabiD: why? it's the deskbar thats gone12:08
wabiDstill no go12:10
shiznitdoes anyone use avant12:10
neildarlowwabiD: i wonder if it's just hidden somewhere. does Alt-F3 bring it back?12:12
wabiDi did remove it from my panel, but it should still be an option in "add to panel"12:13
neildarlowwabiD: have a look in gconf-editor for its settings. do they look sensible?12:13
wabiDany chance thats it12:14
neildarlowwabiD: yes, it should be in Accessories12:14
wabiDthats different12:14
neildarlowwabiD: possibly12:14
wabiDits in accessories, but thats not the same dialog that the deskbar-applet brings up12:14
wabiDwhats the command to run a py file12:15
wabiDjust python?12:15
neildarlowwabiD: it should have a #! line12:15
savvasit doesn't12:15
savvas# This deskbar module was ported from deskbar <= 2.18 handler by Marcus Fritzsch12:15
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wabiDso im not crazy12:16
neildarlowwabiD: oh well. then you'll have to python it12:16
_dan_any problems with HAL atm?12:16
_dan_http://www.pastebin.org/3925  upgrade wont continue anymore12:16
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wabiDsavvas, just .py, i cant open the pyc in gedit12:17
wabiDand should all the comments be #! ?12:18
savvasbecause pyc is the compiled one12:18
wabiDk good12:18
savvasdon't you dare touch those comments lol12:19
wabiDhow do i recompile that one file12:19
savvasI've no idea12:19
wabiDso now it reads - #! This deskbar module was ported from deskbar <= 2.18 handler by Marcus Fritzsch12:19
savvaswhy not just python /.../file.py ?12:19
savvasyou could just run it as: python file.py12:19
wabiDthen what did you mean by <neildarlow> wabiD: it should have a #! line12:20
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savvashe meant as this: #!/usr/bin/python12:20
neildarlowwabiD: forget that. mostly, folks add e.g. #!/usr/bin/python to their scripts12:20
savvasit's a command that helps you chmod +x file.py and run it like: ./file.py12:20
savvaswabiD: do: python /usr/lib/deskbar-applet/modules-2.20-compatible/tracker-module.py12:21
wabiDnothing happens12:21
neildarlowsigh. looks like liferea-1.4.3b is seriously broken12:21
savvaswabiD: what are you trying to do btw? :p12:23
wabiDadd the tracker desktop-applet back to my panel12:23
wabiDit disappeared from add to panel12:23
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wabiDit worked in tribe 5 before12:25
savvasdeskbar applet12:25
wabiDyea its gone12:25
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savvasI have it here12:25
savvasright click > add to panel12:25
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wabiDsearch desk12:26
wabiDhaha i got it back12:26
wabiDwell thanks for whatever we didnt do12:26
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savvasyou broke it!12:26
compwiz18When I share a folder by right clicking on it in nautilus then choosing share -> samba share, a password is required by the (Windows) computer that I try and access the share from.  What is that password?12:26
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wabiDnow the only options are search yahoo and search tracker12:27
wabiDwhere did all the other options go12:27
rothchildis it possible to have a fuzzy clock in gnome like the one in kde eg so it tells the time as 'ten to one' rather than '12.50'?12:28
savvaswabiD: right click deskbar > preferences12:28
savvasload any extensions you like12:28
wabiDahh they got disabled, thanks12:28
savvasnow my upper panel is gone!12:29
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wabiDbad day for panels12:29
savvasI loaded and removed deskbar lol12:29
savvasah wait.. I click delete panel :p12:30
wabiDdid you click delete this panel by accident12:30
neildarlowwabiD, savvas: that would be quite devastating12:31
savvasneildarlow: no, I clicked on delete panel accidentally12:31
neildarlowsavvas: and the result was bad?12:32
wabiDsweet i froze the deskbar applet12:32
rothchildcompwiz18 you might try the package gsambad for further samba configuration12:32
savvasoh yeah12:32
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about gsambad - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi12:32
compwiz18rothchild, I'm thinking I shouldn't have to do that though, because on another Ubuntu machine it works fine, no password or anything12:33
compwiz18I'll give it a try thoguh12:33
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rothchildcan't see it in gutsy now though for some reason?12:34
compwiz18I just installed in in gutsy12:35
compwiz18its there12:35
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_dan_anyone tried the kde4 beta?12:36
_dan_is it unuseable for u too, or did i miss to install some?12:36
rothchildis there a particular daemon I need to start to get bluetooth working, I have a usb bluetooth adapter, hal device manager can see it but I can't see the computer from my phone etc12:36
XeroGSambaD needs something about a su-to-root.12:37
savvasfixed hehe12:37
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rothchildXero you just need to edit the menu command to gksu or kdesu rather than 'su to root'12:38
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compwiz18rothchild, I'm having the same (or a similar) bluetooth problem12:39
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rothchildcompwiz18 are you in gnome?12:48
rothchildand was it working before for you?12:49
wabiDwhen 7.10 goes final, will system updates stop coming out daily12:49
compwiz18rothchild, I'm in Gnome.  It works great on my x32 laptop, but my x64 laptop can't connect to my phone12:50
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wabiDsavvas, any idea what might cause this - http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/4123/granju7.png12:51
Le-Chuck_ITAhi there, there is a problem with the bottom panel in the gnome desktop at login, it's consistently happening, so, do you already know?12:52
Le-Chuck_ITAIf so, that should be added to the topic :)12:52
rothchildhmm I'm on x32 and having no joy, I always found KDE's bluetooth implementation to be much better but I've come over to gnome because kubuntu just doesn't seem to get the love it deserves12:52
wabiDyea i noticed it too12:52
wabiDit doesnt appear?12:52
gunnyLe-Chuck_ITA: yep but if you click on it it will come back..just doesn't default on12:53
Le-Chuck_ITAI know12:53
nomasteryodalol.... love kubuntu... its working great for me12:53
ubuntu_daveif you right click anywhere on desktop too12:53
Le-Chuck_ITAis this already reported up-to your knowledge?12:53
compwiz18rothchild, I had to install gnome-vfs-obexftp on my x32 laptop to get it to work, did you do that?12:53
compwiz18it's a problem with the package12:53
nomasteryodabut i do have problems with the panel in both gnome and kde with the 'buntus12:53
wabiDi tried kde with compiz today for the first time, it runs so much faster than without compiz12:54
wabiDpanel on kde was fine today12:54
wabiDstill sticking to gnome12:54
nomasteryodaya it seems to be ok .. will know after a reboot12:54
gunnyLe-Chuck_ITA: dont know haven't seen it in the buglists in my travels..compiz isue perhaps12:54
wabiDi just wish i could fix gran paradiso12:54
nomasteryodawabiD, your gran's not working?12:54
nomasteryodamine is fine12:54
nomasteryodai used a fresh profile though12:55
wabiDi did12:55
ubuntu_davemine it fine too ^12:55
wabiDand reinstall12:55
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ubuntu_davejust wipe ~./mozilla/granpara or whatever12:56
rothchildcompwiz18 it's installed already, I went through the repros and installed everything that looked relevant but still no joy12:56
nomasteryodayou do know gran has a zoom feature that zooms text and images at the same time, right? possibly yours is set that way?12:56
wabiDi did whipe it12:56
wabiDwipe rather12:56
wabiDtext isnt zoomed though12:57
nomasteryodalooks bigger than the firefox text from your image12:57
nomasteryodamuch more so12:57
wabiDi guess12:58
wabiDany idea how to disable?12:58
nomasteryodai see the interface stuff is same font as your firefox...12:58
wabiDi changed my system font yea12:58
nomasteryodalike the address bar12:58
wabiDyea i am using all vista fonts12:59
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nomasteryodabut those match which to me indicates its just the page rendere12:59
ubotuLaunchpad bug 147070 in compiz "bottom panel not visible when desktop starts" [High,Confirmed] 12:59
wabiDbut toolbars are screwed up too12:59
nomasteryodafreedome hater? ... jk12:59
nomasteryodamust be very young...12:59
nomasteryodamy old eyes can't read those tiny fonts01:00
nomasteryodaunless I use zoom01:00
ubuntu_daveconfirmed and high importance... guess can just wait for a fix now ^_^01:00
Le-Chuck_ITAI know ! :)01:00
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Le-Chuck_ITAI can just click on the desktop meanwhile, but please add that to the topic01:00
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wabiDi think it is the zoom feature01:06
wabiDfor some reason its applying to the whole browser01:06
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chopchop_I got a problem getting the sound works with ubuntu 7.10 . Im using a Dell Vostro 1500 laptop, does any1 have experienced with this laptop?01:10
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apecathmm, will there be some kind of menu item/point 'n drool way to configure desktop effects in gutsy?01:18
apecati cant find a way to turn them off in the menus01:19
savvasapecat: system > preferences > appearance > visual effects01:19
savvasif you want to configure each plugin: http://medigeek.blogspot.com/2007/09/ubuntu-unveil-real-power-of-compiz.html01:20
apecatah, righty01:20
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gunnyapecat: what about advanced desktop effect settings..compizconfig-settings-manager01:23
apecatdunno why these effects should be enabled by default though :P i just tried running gusy on a laptop with one of those crappy ati cards (Radeon IGP 330M/340M/350M) and i got a terribly distorted hakign picture when i logged in with the default resolution (1024x768), had to set the resolution to 800x600 to be able to see anything01:23
apecati tke that back, even with desktop effects disabled, i get the same unreadable picture using 1024x76801:25
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savvasapecat: the effects are NOT enabled by default.01:28
savvasif you had compiz/beryl before, well.. that should be the problem01:28
savvasunless they enabled it in beta :s01:29
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jscinozsavvas, really? mine turned on as soon as i installed the propreitry graphics driver01:32
savvasi had tribe 5 and it didn't01:33
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savvasif it did, then.. well it would be a dumb thing to do :P01:33
savvasmind you, it's still a beta01:34
chronographerHEllo. has anyone else had a prob with firestarter and wireless drivers? I had wireless probs, uninstalled firestarter and everything is fine now...  coincidence?01:34
apecatsavvas: actually, they on by default01:36
apecaton the level called "Normal"01:36
savvasapecat: < savvas> mind you, it's still a beta01:37
apecatheh yeah, of course :P01:37
savvasI think the ubuntu devs want as much feedback on it as possible01:37
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apecathmm, now lets see if the netwok manager finally cn handle my rt61 based card properly01:39
apecatlawl, netwok01:39
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savvasapecat: some curry should do the trick ;)01:50
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Nallemanhow can you customize the eyecandy in gutsy?01:59
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rothchildNalleman you need the compiz config settings manager (ccsm)02:01
Nallemanrothchild, ok. download with synaptic?02:02
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gunnyNalleman: yep02:02
EdsipeRhi, I've an updated version of gutsy on my laptop and some process don't stop to work with the hard disk, any idea which process can be ?02:02
gunnyNalleman: compizconfig-settings-manager02:03
Nallemangunny, thanks02:03
EdsipeRanother question: who changes the process governor from 'performance' to 'ondemand' ??? which script/process ?02:05
Nallemansilly question, i know. but how can you edit how many workspaces there should be?02:10
EdsipeRnemik, system -> preferences -> appearance02:11
EdsipeRups, fwd to Nalleman02:11
g2g591nalleman:on kde or gnome?02:11
void^EdsipeR: trackerd is the usual culprit for unwanted diskio02:11
NallemanEdsipeR, thanks02:12
Nallemang2g591, gnome02:12
ubuntu_daveNalleman: if you're running compiz for workspaces you need probably to set them in the ccsm>general>desktop size02:12
Nallemanubuntu_dave, thanks, that did the trick02:13
EdsipeRvoid^, thanks02:15
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aftertafhey :)02:16
Bielekeubuntu gutsy alternate breaks when using dutch language... breaks after he needs to download the packages02:16
aftertafcan anyone help with a long standing issue on booting? Hanging on Waiting for Root file system02:16
aftertafi had this too when going from edgy to feisty, when feisty was released it was repaired and now its back again.....02:18
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pixlanyone know how to make gnome menu icons smaller?02:19
LjLaftertaf: perhaps bug 62608?02:19
ubotuLaunchpad bug 62608 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Waiting for root filesystem delay on booting Edgy solved by update-initramfs (was: getting cpuindex for acpiid 0xnn)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6260802:19
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aftertafah ok thanks :) will also try all_generic_ide....02:23
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aftertafthough never had that error message and mine doesnt boot.....02:24
aftertafnot it takes long, more it drops to tha console (xx box) completely forgot the name :(02:25
aftertafbrb after boot test02:27
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Nallemanis read and write support to ntfs drives default in gutsy?02:38
ubuntu_daveNalleman: yes, it's default02:39
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kstwhats default audio player in gutsy? still rhythmbox?02:51
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kyjaplease help, playing something as simple as an mp3 skips in mplayer and over clocks my computer so it over heats and shuts off like the plug gets pulled.03:03
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kyjaaudio and and graphics realy over clock me bad.03:04
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kane77I have a problem: Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on  unknown-block(0,0)03:12
kane77the previous kernel seems to boot..03:14
kane77can I repair is somehow?03:14
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fulat2khi folks, got kubuntu gg b1 installed.  it detected everything fine.  even my wifi usb stick (dlink dwl g122 b1).  from dmesg, i can see that it loaded the driver.  but somehow, even though i've configured the interface manually to tag to an ESSID, i can't seem to ping the gateway.  any ideas?03:24
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spr0k3tanyone having problems with sound? (soundblaster audigy specifically)03:28
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Netw0rkersomeone tryed logmein on gutsy ?03:32
Netw0rkeris it working with the new gcj ?03:32
jerpesis there any known cups-pdf (2.4.6-3ubuntu7) dpkg/apt-get issues?03:32
spr0k3thaven't tried it here.  mainly focusing on gnomedisplay-gtk debugging03:32
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spr0k3tjerpes: loaded fine here.. let me test printpdf03:33
SprogAnyone know where I can get some info on why "workspaces on a cube" clears itself after I set it?03:33
jerpesspr0k3t, apt-get breaks when trying to install it03:33
spr0k3tprinted, but don't know where it went... lol03:34
jerpesSprog, clears itself?03:34
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SprogJerpes:  Yep, Desktop Effects, enable, hit the confirm to keep settings, hit "desktop on a cube" and click ok, when I reopen it, it's cleared the tickbox again03:34
spr0k3tSprog: which graphics card?03:35
SprogGeForce 7400 Mobile, on the Nvidia drivers03:35
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spr0k3tdo you have hardware rendering enabled?03:35
kane77that is very strange.. I booted in the older kernel's rescue mode upgraded packages (none of them had anything to do with kernel) and now I don't get krenel panic anymore.. very strange...03:35
SprogWithout getting noob screamed at me, how I can I check that?  ;)03:35
jerpesSprog, installed gfx drivers with restricted-manager ?03:36
spr0k3talso, check to make sure you have the nvidia-glx-new drivers as well03:36
SprogYes Jerpes03:36
jerpesSprog, go to the terminal and type "compiz --replace &"03:36
spr0k3tyeah, that03:36
jerpesspr0k3t, nvidia-glx-new does not support is card03:36
SprogWhere can I paste the output?03:37
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)03:37
SprogWill I get kicked for spam if I paste 8 lines here?03:37
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Sproglol ok03:37
spr0k3treally? wow, I could have sworn the 7 series is supported under glx-new03:37
jerpesspr0k3t, i think its 7.6k+03:38
jerpesSprog, is desktop effects on?03:39
spr0k3tvery odd, looks good to me03:40
Sprogis it still CTRL+ALT+Drag the desktop to spin the cube?03:40
jerpesSprog, yes03:40
spr0k3tonce you have it turned on, yes03:40
Sprogjust draws a nice shady box on my screen =/  When I go back into desktop effects the "cube" tickbox is cleared again03:41
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spr0k3thmm... od03:41
jerpesSprog, install compizconfig-settings-manager package03:41
jerpesSprog, the desktop effects are on low now, you either need to set them to high in the apperence thingy or by using the config manager you are installing03:42
Sprogwhat's it under?03:43
jerpessystem -> not adminstrative03:44
jerpesmy system isnt english so the menu names are abit foobar03:44
spr0k3tshould be "advanced desktop effects settings"03:44
SprogIn that03:45
spr0k3tnothing like a really long menu item to hide it out in the open03:45
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SprogK, got adv desktop effects open03:45
SprogCatergories down the left, icons on the right03:46
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jerpesSprog, but i recommend you to go to the apperence thingy under preferences and set it to high, then you can fix settings under the advanded desktop settings03:47
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jerpeshmm, weird sentence, bbl prison break :D03:47
Sprogjerpes - under virtual effects set to extra?03:47
Bryan__Is there a way to upgrade from tribe five to the beta, so that I can keep the settings I have?03:48
jerpesBryan__, sudo apt-get upgrade03:48
jerpesBryan__, tribes and betas are just snapshots of the development cycle, if you perform upgrades you get them all03:48
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Bryan__okay then I have another question. I upgraded from tribe 5 to the beta, and my sound vanished03:49
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jerpesBryan__, is gutsy fully opgraded?03:50
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Bryan__define "fully upgraded"03:50
jerpesno updates in the update manager03:50
jerpeswhat sound card do you have?03:51
Bryan__it's a dell inspiron 152003:51
Sprogstill no cube =/03:51
Bryan__not sure what sound card was on the motherbored03:51
jerpesBryan_, if you go to ubuntuforums.org there is a forum for dells and guides to make everything work03:52
Bryan__for 7.10?03:52
Bryan__I tried the 7.04 and couldn't get it to work.03:52
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SprogOk now a new problem - I can't drag windows anywhere by the titlebar, everything is stuck the way it is =/03:52
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Darkstriker(join motd03:55
tichdoes anyone know if it is possible, or has anyone successfully suspended or hibernated a computer using gutsy with nvidia drivers?03:55
Bryan__I have03:55
Bryan__it works some times03:56
Darkstrikercan u guys hear me?03:56
tichBryan__, 2 questions...03:56
tichhow often is sometimes03:56
Bryan__about 80% of the time03:57
tichthat is awesome.03:57
tichwhere did you get your information?03:57
Bryan__the other 20 percent it does suspend, but when it turns back on it says that there was an error in suspend.03:57
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Bryan__:o my dell inspiron 1520 that has a nvidia card in it03:57
jscinoztich, i can successfully hibernate and resume with nvidia-glx-new on gutsy, worked out of the box03:57
jscinoztich, only problem is 3d is retardedly slow after resume03:58
tichwhat?! out of the box!  that is amazing.03:58
tichBryan__, what nvidia card does the 1520 have?03:58
tichjscinoz, is there a fix for speeding it back up?03:59
jscinoztich, not sure havn't spent much time on it, been working on unrelated more major problems03:59
tichthat is too bad.04:00
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tichjscinoz, what nvidia card are you using?04:02
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jscinoztich, 8400M GS04:05
tichi am using the nVIDIA Quadro NVS 140M which has a few glitches.04:05
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mon^rchvmware doesnt install properly with networking. installs just fine if I skip the networking. does anybody here have vmware (anything) with networking?04:06
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tichjscinoz, yeah. santa rosa.04:08
jscinozim off to bed, night everyone, good luck with debugging and whatnot04:08
jscinozhmm not sure tich, couldnt find anything from googling it04:08
jscinozwell anyways, i need to go sleep, good luck getting it working04:08
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Darkstrikerhi i need help with the setup of ubuntu 7.1004:10
ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)04:11
Darkstrikerwell i downloaded the amd64 desktop iso and burned it using daemontools and nero.04:11
Darkstrikerthe boot emnu shows perfectly and i just enter the first option04:11
Darkstrikerso it tries to boot.04:11
Darkstrikerthen after some time the entire screen starts getting really weird.04:12
Darkstrikerthe safe graphics mode doesnt work either04:12
Darkstrikerany ideas?04:12
Darkstrikermy specs: a8n32 sli deluxe 7900gt 2gb ram x2 3800+ 500gb WD04:13
jussi01Darkstriker: what speed di you burn the disk04:13
Tomcat_Mh. Better check the CD (boot option)04:13
Darkstriker40x and i did the integrity check and it said it was ok04:13
jussi01Darkstriker: hmmm, yeah... did you check the md5sum of the iso after you downloaded?04:14
Darkstrikerno but i can do that now sec04:14
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Tomcat_If the CD integrity is okay, the md5sum will be good I guess...04:15
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Darkstrikerthats what i supposed..04:15
jussi01Tomcat_: not necessarily04:15
Tomcat_Well, what are the odds? :)04:16
shiznitshould i use nvidia binary driver or just enable the one in restricted manager04:16
jussi01shiznit: the latter04:16
Darkstrikeri question then how do i check md5s in vista?04:16
ubotuTo verify the integrity of a download, use the md5sum - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM for more04:16
shiznithopefully this works04:16
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fulat2khi folks, anyone here using a dlink dwl g122 rev b1?04:16
jussi01!anyone | fulat2k04:16
ubotufulat2k: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?04:16
fulat2khi folks, got kubuntu gg b1 installed.  it detected everything fine.  even my wifi usb stick (dlink dwl g122 b1).  from dmesg, i can see that it loaded the driver.  but somehow, even though i've configured the interface manually to tag to an ESSID, i can't seem to ping the gateway.  any ideas?04:17
Sprogfulat2k - you got an ip on the interface?  sudo dhclient04:17
fulat2kSprog: not using dhcp.  static04:17
fulat2kSprog: configured it exactly like how i did last time i.e. feisty.  but in feisty, the usb stick was detected/mapped to rausb104:18
Darkstrikerk i just checked md5 sums and they match...04:18
Darkstrikerso that aint the prob...04:18
jussi01Darkstriker: describe really weird?04:19
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Darkstrikerwell the first time it got past the loading screen and gave a console like startup and then all of a sudden one of my screens turned black and the other one was filled with vertical lines04:20
Darkstrikerno response to mouse or crtl alt del or anything04:21
jussi01Darkstriker: also, try editing the boot option removing quiet and splash04:21
Darkstrikerjust the pattern got more weird as in more lines and the second monitor got filled too then04:21
fulat2kSprog: well, at least the connection light on the stick is switched on :)04:22
Darkstrikerk ill try get this irc on my server and then try installing again on my main pc04:22
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clouderis gibbon making it easier to get dual monitors working without getting your hands in the xorg.conf?04:22
StarcraftmazterHello. in 7.10, with compiz, when I rotate desktop, the taskbar still have the applications from the 1st desktop in each othe the others - anyone know how to fix that?04:22
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fulat2ki think i know what's wrong.  it's loading the wrong driver.  from dmesg, it loads rt2500usb, when it should be rt2570.  any way i can change this?04:23
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sparsecanyone running gutsy with rt2500-based wifi?04:24
Darkstrikercu later04:24
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void^sparsec: yes04:24
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sparsecvoid^: And is it running ok?04:25
fulat2ksparsec: yeah.  but it's not getting connected :)04:25
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void^sparsec: works for me04:25
fulat2ksparsec: which model/brand r u using?04:25
Tomcat_Starcraftmazter: Check that the applications are *not* "show on all desktops" or overlapping04:25
sparsecvoid^: and can you connect to a AP with WPA?04:25
sparsecfulat2k: edimaxz ew7128-g04:25
fulat2kvoid^: which model u using?04:25
void^sparsec: yes, using nm-manager/wpa-supplicant04:25
fulat2ksparsec: darn, not the same.  i'm using dlink dwl g122 rev b1.04:26
void^fulat2k: rt2500 pci, a foxconn model i think.04:26
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sparsecvoid^: May I ask how long have you been running gutsy?04:26
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fulat2kvoid^: ohh... pci.  from http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php/Downloads, i should be loading 2570.  any idea how i can change this?04:26
sparsecvoid^: I tried a clean install from the beta ISO, and network-manager couldn't connect to my WPA protected network.04:27
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void^sparsec: some weeks. it wasn't working with the -12 kernel for a few days but it does work now04:27
sparsecvoid^: Manually editing the interfaces file didn't work (using pre-up commands).04:27
tichhas anyone tried changing the login screen or splash screen?04:27
sparsecvoid^: Great! That means it works now, because beta ISO used the .12 kernel!04:28
sparsecvoid^: thanks a lot, I'm in for an update-manager -d in a short while I guess :)04:28
void^sparsec: gutsy uses the new drivers, you can't use the old iwpriv interface to setup wpa anymore i think04:28
tichi changed both of mine, including the background color but it always reverts the background color back to brown.04:28
sparsecvoid^: If it works out of box with WPA via network-manager, I'm fine with it. even though I don't need roaming on my desktop.04:29
sparsecvoid^: Man I'm happy this got fixed :)04:29
tich[i can imagine everyone is thinking "holy crap! nothing is more important than that" but i am curious if anyone else experienced it] 04:29
Starcraftmaztertomcat_: they are "only on this desktop", note if I click on them on a different desktop, it switches to the first one, before bringing up the application04:30
void^fulat2k: my rt2570usb works too, i get "usbcore: registered new interface driver rt2500usb"04:32
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cwillu/usr/share/python-support;  how/where is that added to the python path?04:35
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void^fulat2k: only getting about 1mB/s throughput with the usb device though :/04:37
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Darkstrikerhere i am again04:40
Darkstrikeri managed to start ubuntu(finally) but.... he doesn't seem to want to cooperate with the 1600x1200 resolution of my screen04:40
Darkstrikermy entire screen is moved to the right but my mouse isnt o.O04:41
Darkstrikervery strange04:41
Darkstrikerany suggestions?04:41
fulat2k_void^: how did you get it to work?04:41
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Darkstrikerremove my second screen04:42
Darkstrikersingel mopntor..04:42
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Darkstrikerbut now it doesnt work with my 1st screen correctly and it refuses to change my resolution04:42
hewusDarkstriker: I had this problem too04:42
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hewusedit your xorg.conf04:43
Darkstrikerif i ask it to change res to 800x600 it say it changed the setting but in fact didnt and then when u get to the menu again it says 1600x1200 again04:43
Darkstrikeri need help with that cause i pretty noob with that...04:43
Darkstrikerwhere to find it?04:43
hewusDarkstriker: I'm semi-noob myself :P, 1s I'll find it04:44
hewusDarkstriker: /etc/X11/xorg.conf04:44
Darkstrikerhow am i supposed to edit a file wich is on a cd?04:45
hewusout of interest, what monitor is this? I'm using a Samsung Syncmaster 204T04:45
hewusyou can't :( I think04:45
hewusI installed it and edited from there04:45
Darkstrikeri think it load that stuff into ram04:45
Darkstrikergive em a sec04:45
hewusfeisty didn't have this problem, but gutsy did04:45
void^fulat2k_: works out of the box, make sure you have all updates04:46
Darkstrikerk now what should i change??? i dont see anythin relatin to the resoltuion over there04:47
cwilluDarkstriker: what video card?04:47
cwilluthis sounds familiar04:47
cwillumaybe nevermind then :p04:47
cwilluxrandr --mode 800x600 might work04:48
hewusDarkstriker: Section "Screen"04:48
hewusthe resolution settings should be set there04:48
Darkstrikeri says default screen and nvidia corporation04:48
Darkstrikergeneric monitor04:48
Darkstrikerdefault depth 2404:48
Darkstrikerthen end section04:48
hewusthis is a copy of my xorg.conf04:50
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hewusyour section "screen" should be similar, in terms of the 1600x120004:50
shiznitanyone get creative x-fi working?04:50
Darkstrikerno way may screen section is way shorter04:52
Darkstrikerand xrandr wont make any changes04:52
hewusDarkstriker: I know, I had the same issue. I seems to detect it as a generic screen, hence the resolution problems04:52
Darkstrikeryeah but how get it to detect my samsung???04:53
Darkstrikersyncmaster 204b04:53
hewusif you edit your xorg.conf similar to that, 1600x1200 should become available04:53
Darkstrikerto be precies04:53
hewushaha I knew it, similar monitors :-)04:53
hewusit didn't detect, I'm not sure04:53
hewusbut editing fixes it04:53
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hewusit will be a bug of some sort04:53
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hewusit detected fine in feisty/edgy/dapper04:54
hewusbut not gutsy04:54
fulat2k_void^: it detects the stick and loads the driver.  somehow it just can't see any essids04:55
Darkstrikerobviously i cant cahnge the settings cause im still running of cd04:56
hewusyes :(04:56
hewusare you planning to install?04:56
Darkstrikeryes exactly what i want but how?04:56
Darkstrikeri c04:56
Darkstrikeri found install04:56
hewusI know the mouse doesn't point where it should be, but you can guess and get there in the end04:57
hewusor tab and enter works too04:57
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Darkstrikeryeah takes some hand eye coordination skill man =)04:57
hewusonce you're installed, you will probably be stuck with some 1400 resolution like I was04:57
hewushaha I know hey04:57
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Darkstrikermy location isnt in there04:58
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Darkstrikerhow do i get it to work with german keyboard layout?04:59
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Darkstrikernevermind :P04:59
hewushmm, sorry can't help you there04:59
Darkstrikerit asks during the install right after the location :P05:00
Darkstrikeri hope it doesnt screw my data05:00
jussi01Darkstriker: I see you got it working, what did you do?05:01
Darkstrikerremove the econd screen05:01
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Darkstrikerbut now: can i install ubuntuo NTFS???05:01
Darkstrikerno right?05:02
hewusI don't see why not05:02
hewusyou mean ntfs-3g?05:02
hewusI would install it first05:03
hewusand do ntfs setup from there, once you have a fully functional monitor05:03
Darkstrikerill stick with ext305:03
jussi01Darkstriker: no, of course you cant install it on ntfs05:03
Darkstrikeror has anybody some advice for a file system05:03
jussi01Darkstriker: ext305:04
jussi01every time05:04
hewusyes ext305:04
hewusall my filesystems are ext3 now05:04
jussi01mine too05:04
Darkstrikeri just amde a swap aprtition of 5 gb is that enough?05:04
Darkstrikeror just way too much?05:04
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jussi01Darkstriker: double your memory is usually the way to go05:04
hewuspossibly too much, but it won't hurt05:04
_dan_configure: error: unable to find the GNOME libraries05:05
_dan_  can aonyone tell me which lib-dev packat i need for that05:05
Darkstrikerk then it is a bit too much cause i only got 2 gigs05:05
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jussi01!info libgtk2.005:05
hewusDarkstriker: how much harddisk space and how much RAM you have?05:05
ubotuPackage libgtk2.0 does not exist in gutsy05:05
jussi01!find libgtk05:05
Darkstrikernext one: why cant i import settings from vista??? no supported yet?05:05
ubotuFound: libgtk-directfb-2.0-0, libgtk-directfb-2.0-dev, libgtk2-perl, libgtk2-perl-doc, libgtk2.0-0 (and 114 others)05:05
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jussi01!info libgtk2.0-005:05
ubotulibgtk2.0-0: The GTK+ graphical user interface library. In component main, is optional. Version 2.12.0-1ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 1917 kB, installed size 4872 kB05:05
jussi01_dan_: probably that one05:06
Darkstrikerk heregoes the install...05:07
_dan_i already got that one, got libgnome-dev too05:07
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Darkstrikerthx everyone05:07
wersnoticed that the gdm sound is back?05:07
_dan_i have to recompile mail notification because it comes with ssl turned off by default which renders it *useless* to a whole bunch of ppl05:07
_dan_i wonder why even having the package then05:07
Darkstrikeris wine included in the standard distro package?05:10
Darkstrikeri wanna use this for gamin so...05:10
avatar__dan_: last time i checked that package the ssl part was not implemented05:10
_dan_it is, its just disabled by default05:10
_dan_ SSL/TLS support (disabled, see README.Debian)05:11
avatar_stupid indeed05:11
_dan_gotta get it compiled somehow05:11
avatar_who sending username/password in plaintext about the inet nowadays?05:12
_dan_well gotta time to read the configure script l8er guy05:12
_dan_avatar_ debian guys05:12
Darkstrikerdunno...does outlook do that by default with gmail?05:12
Darkstrikerthen i would use plain text yes05:12
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Darkstrikercoudl it be that 7.10 jsut cant recognize dvi screens?05:20
Darkstrikeror samsung screens for taht matter?05:20
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dvs01is it just me or is gutsy's kernel affecting performance negatively? switching tabs in firefox takes 2-3 seconds, and performance seems weird overall, sometimes with noticeable keystroke lag that i didnt see before05:21
_dan_when i apt-get source a package, whats the correct debian way to build it, make a package out of it?05:21
dvs01still running feisty, but with gutsy kernel, so that my thinkpad t61's wifi is supported05:22
sparsec_dan_: Or you can use aptitude05:22
sparsecwhich is also a correct way of doing it05:22
sparseclike this: sudo aptitude install <packagename>05:22
shiznitgutsy installed nvidia drivers perfectly, feisty was a nighmare05:22
shizniti didnt have to use Envy05:23
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sparsecshiznit: I had no problems with nvidia drivers in feisty - everything smooth, via one click.05:23
shiznitdood, you should have been on05:23
shiznitits was hell05:23
sparsecshiznit: might depend on card though - I'm running geforce 680005:24
shizniti had one of those, back in the day05:24
sparsecshiznit:  lol;05:24
sparsecshiznit: I'd love a newer one, but I guess I'm stuck with this one (and my 4 and 1/2 year old veteran) for another year or (more probably) two.05:25
Darkstrikeranyone know if asus delivers mainboard drivers for linux by default?05:25
shiznity so long05:26
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sparsecDarkstriker: Mainboard drivers? What's that? :)05:26
shiznitDarkstriker, asus doesnt actually make any of the components you would need drivers for05:26
sparsecEither the chipset is supported in lin kernel05:26
shiznitso no05:26
sparsecor you're screwed05:26
sparsecbut I haven't seen a mainboard that wouldn't run linux05:26
sparsecyou might end up with your built-in soundcard not running, but that's the very most that can happen05:27
shiznityea im gonna have to use on-board audio looks like05:27
shiznitcreative only released 64bit05:27
sparsecshiznit: They're pretty good these days.05:27
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sparsecthose integrated soundcards05:28
shiznityea but i like my x-fi05:28
sparsecshiznit: hold on - I read about Creative releasing drivers for x-fi or something05:28
sparsecah well05:28
sparseclooks like the audigy cards are still the safest bet05:29
Darkstrikernow how do i fix tat monitor detection issue05:29
shiznityea, i need the x-fi for windows and now i gotta enable the onboard, i dont know how that's gonna work out05:29
sparsecDarkstriker: You have to edit the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file by hand05:29
sparsecdunno about the gui app to do this in gutsy05:29
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Darkstrikerjust enter what monitor i got?05:30
sparsecI heard it should be able to import an .inf file for the monitor and correctly set things up, in that case you would just give it the .inf ("win driver") and not care about it.05:30
sparsecDarkstriker: No, you have to set up the parameters of your monitor - namely horizontal and vertical refresh rate.05:30
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sparsecshiznit: I dumped windows last week.05:31
shizniti cant05:31
shiznitlike games too much05:31
sparsecIt's linux only nowadays.05:31
sparsecYeah I do as well05:31
sparsecBut I'll be doing university state exams and writing my thesis this year, so no gaming for me anytime soon.05:32
Darkstrikerthats abd05:32
sparsecAnd being a CS student, I have everything I need on linux05:32
shiznittru dat05:32
Darkstrikerbut for what i heard linux is faster for games than vista is..05:32
Darkstrikercause vista just screws ur performance05:32
cloudersparsec: why'd you drop windows in the first place?05:32
shiznitno it doesnt05:32
shiznitvista runs games just fine05:32
Darkstrikeryes it does05:33
shiznitunless your pc sucks05:33
sparsecclouder: Well, it's a long story.05:33
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Darkstrikerno comparison between vista aand xp x6405:33
sparsecclouder: Basically, it sucked, it was dog-slow05:33
penguincentralDarkstriker: do you use wine or cedega for playing games on linux?05:33
sparsecclouder: And I neede more space for Ubuntu, as I have only 80 GB disk05:33
shizniti run both vista and xp x64 and framerates are almost identical, some games actually run faster in vista05:33
Darkstrikercadega only if wine doesnt do05:33
Darkstrikerbut u ahve to pay for that if i remember so i dont like it05:34
penguincentralDarkstriker: do you pay for cedega?05:34
sparsecclouder: Also, mum has a nb that's been running linux until recently and she needs windows now.05:34
penguincentralDarkstriker: what games do you play?05:34
shiznitxp x64 is free05:34
Darkstrikershiznit then ur doing something terribly wrong in xp05:34
shiznitno im not05:34
Darkstrikerno its trial free05:34
shizniti have good hardware05:34
sparsecclouder: So I wiped the win partition on desktop and installed the licence on nb, to stay legal.05:34
Darkstrikeryeahlol metoo05:34
shiznitand i know how to set it up properly05:34
penguincentral!microsoft | shiznit, sparsec05:35
ubotushiznit, sparsec: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents05:35
sparsecpenguincentral: Oh stop it, kiddo.05:35
shiznitsorry penguin, but there were some false statements i had to correct05:35
Darkstrikerno they arent false05:35
penguincentralsparsec: um, this is a channel for discussion on gutsy05:35
sparsecclouder: So I ended up with 80 GB of ext3 :)05:36
penguincentralshiznit: apology accepted...05:36
sparsecpenguincentral: Yeah, but I'm telling the story of how I made a complete transition to Ubuntu05:36
Darkstrikeri wanna ehar it too..05:36
cloudersparsec: I see, thanks, just always curious as to people's motives for switching05:36
Darkstrikervery interesting05:36
Darkstrikerrole modelfor others05:36
penguincentralsparsec: fair enough05:36
penguincentralthan i shall tell my story05:37
sparsecclouder: To tell the truth - if I were to decide only according to my _working_ needs, I would have switched long ago.05:37
sparsecclouder: Because I have everything I need here nicely integrated - python, compilers for C++, java, the beauty of bash...05:37
sparsecclouder: you name it, linux has it05:37
Darkstrikerwelli personally like office 2k7 a lot better then oo but oo is still very good so if u get to know it05:38
penguincentralAfter 8 or so reinstall's of Windows within two years, and the considerable slowness i was experienceing, I wanted to switch to Linux, but at the time i only had dialup and a winmodem (which i could never get working)05:38
penguincentralso when i got broadband, I decided to switch.05:38
penguincentralclouder: i doubt that05:38
clouderpenguincentral: but I do like to know05:38
penguincentralI first booted gparted to shrink my ntfs partition, and it didn't work05:38
sparsecclouder: there are, of course some issues - gaming and wireless - but work concerned, I'm willing to give this up to be able to do my job reliably and quickly, which I can't on the other platform (avoiding the word this time, penguincentral ;) )05:38
penguincentralI tried another program (i forget what it was) and then i lost windows05:39
shiznitpenguin, did you defrag before you shrunk?05:39
penguincentralsparsec: lol05:39
shiznitwith a decent defrag program05:39
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penguincentralprobably, but with the inbuilt defragger :(05:40
penguincentralso i loaded on a ghost image of xp, and then ran gparted, it worked flawlessly05:40
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sparsecclouder: plus, rt2500-based wireless works in feisty and from what I heard works even better with recent gutsy updates, so what more could I really ask for? :)05:40
AaronMTHi, does anyone know of a fix for the suspend/hibernate issues on Inspiron laptops?05:40
penguincentrali made an 80GB linux partition05:40
penguincentralhalf of that drive05:41
penguincentraland i installed ubuntu05:41
penguincentralit worked wonders05:41
penguincentralfeisty first05:41
sparsecpenguincentral: for just one partition?05:41
penguincentralthan i installed gutsy alpha 5 and it ran well despite being alpha05:41
penguincentraland that is my switching story05:41
penguincentralsparsec: yeah, i gave ubuntu 80GB, but i'll have to check again05:41
sparsecclouder: The only thing I _really_ miss is World of Warcraft, but I should be able to run it ok under Wine. Yet as I wrote, I don't have time for this right now.05:42
shizniti dont miss that game05:42
shiznitplayed it too much, i got burned out05:42
shiznitafter rank 14 and 4 horse im fucking done05:42
sparsecpenguincentral: Woa, you have everything on one partition? Not good.05:42
penguincentralshiznit: i think it's rubbish (leave me alone WoW lovers)05:43
shizniti was one of them05:43
sparsecshiznit: Good for you. I never played the game continuosly for more than two months05:43
ubotu#ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!05:43
penguincentrali also have a second 80GB hard drive which i recently changed it from NTFS to ext305:43
Pici!ohmy | shiznit05:43
ubotushiznit: Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.05:43
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kekZpriesteris the process 'trackerd' really needed and does is need to produce 100% load in one of 2 cpus?05:43
levanderDoes the version of Rythmbox that's in Gutsy support MTP?05:43
levanderout of the box05:43
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penguincentraljussi01: what was that for? we were on topic05:44
Darkstrikernow i have a user of course but what is the root password by default???05:44
penguincentralso sparsec, I do have another hdd which is in ext3, which only has about 3GB left :(05:44
levanderDarkstriker: there isn't a root password by default05:44
Darkstrikercause i cant save xorg.conf i normal user mode05:44
Dr_willisthats what sudo is all about. :)05:44
jussi01penguincentral: how so? you were talking wow...05:44
Darkstrikerand then how do i logon in the terminal using root?05:44
Darkstrikerwhich command?05:44
levanderDarkstriker: you use sudo to set it, using the passwd command i believe05:45
ubotusudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.05:45
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sparsecpenguincentral: Well my layout is like this - 600 MB /boot, then one s*it large extended partition with logical partitions for /, /home, /usr, /var, /opt and swap :)05:45
levanderDarkstriker: are you sure you need to login as root on a terminal?05:45
Dr_willisTheres no real need to 'set' the root password. :)05:45
sparsecDarkstriker: You have to use your login password.05:45
shiznitis there a way to check usb polling rate in linux05:45
Dr_willisand Yes.. i have the bad habbit of setting it on every install of ubuntu also. :P05:45
Darkstrikerhow can i save that file as root then?05:45
scizzo-Darkstriker: you can use: sudo -s -H05:45
penguincentralsparsec: eh, why bother?05:45
Darkstrikerwithout root.05:45
sparsecDarkstriker: The "sudo" command uses your password to do things, not roots.05:45
penguincentraljussi01: i only mentioned that wow is rubbish05:46
Darkstrikerthe how for gods sake do i get to save that file if i cant cahnge it as nromal user????05:46
Darkstrikereverybody says somethin different..05:46
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sparsecpenguincentral: Well I definitely like to keep /opt and /home on a separate partition, because I tend to keep them while changing versions or even distributions.05:46
Darkstrikergets me confused05:46
shiznitwuts /opt?05:47
penguincentralsparsec: i agree with keeping /home on a seperate partition, but why /opt?05:47
Picipenguincentral: ;)05:47
sparsecshiznit: opt is for software that is installed externally05:47
sparsecshiznit: Like you download Java SE with Netbeans and install them there05:47
penguincentralhi Pici05:47
penguincentralsparsec: like what?05:47
penguincentralkok then05:47
penguincentralhow are you Pici?05:48
scizzo-Darkstriker: sudo is a setup for admin group that the first user has access to. With sudo you can then edit and get admin permissions.....as a example: sudo -s -H then type the password that your normal user has will give you a new command ine that is using the root priveliges....05:48
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penguincentral!sudo | Darkstriker05:48
ubotuDarkstriker: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.05:48
sparsecpenguincentral: As for /var, this is because I tend to keep big downloaded things in /var/tmp05:48
sparsecpenguincentral: And if it was part of /, I might end up with no free space on /05:49
penguincentralsparsec: well i'll be...05:49
penguincentralsparsec: true05:49
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shiznithe sound05:50
sparsecpenguincentral: And for / and /usr - you never know when things get f*cked up in /usr, so better to keep the basic tools in /bin and /sbin (which reside on /) separate from user programs05:50
sparsecpenguincentral: So that's roughly it :)05:50
penguincentralsparsec is an organised person05:50
ggilbertA separate /home at the least is a very very good idea05:51
sparsecpenguincentral: Yeah I hate chaos. :)05:51
shiznitdoes anyone use ubunto to run a CS:S server05:51
shiznitim thinking about it05:51
penguincentralsparsec: and I hate slow internet ;)05:51
shiznitverizon might not like it though05:51
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sparsecpenguincentral: But really this has advantages when using mutliple distros - you can share your /home directory this way across many installed distros, the same goes for /opt05:52
blublobluis there anything new from Tribe 5 to the Beta?05:52
penguincentralblubloblu: new wallpaper05:52
penguincentralsparsec: i see, although i only ever use ubuntu05:52
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blubloblui think i'll upgrade then05:53
shiznitim gonna go play the Pro Evolution 2008 demo, back to XP x64 *shrug*05:53
penguincentralshiznit: where is the demo?05:54
sparsecpenguincentral: Yeah well in that case, no need to do so many partitions, but still I would advise a separate /home and possibly /var or /opt, depending on your needs.05:54
penguincentralblubloblu: don't worry, there are many other reasons to upgrade to beta, but if you keep updated, then you are already on beta05:54
penguincentralsparsec: i really only use one distro and that is ubuntu, but i will remember this info when my circumstances ever change05:55
sparsecpenguincentral: The separate /home is valid even if you use only one distro - you don't want to have your personal files screwed up once your / blows up.05:55
penguincentralsparsec: yeah05:56
sparsecplus - if anything goes wrong and you have to do a clean install, you can wipe your / and keep your /home, easily setting it up during install05:56
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hwilde can I set an ethernet port to 10MBps or 100MBps?05:59
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sparsechwilde: Why would you want to do that?05:59
Vorbotehwilde, yes, With ethtool or mii-tool but it it better to let the interface autonegotiate the speed, unless you can control the switch.06:00
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penguincentralhwilde: i think it picks up the speed automatically06:01
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shiznityo yo06:04
penguincentral!hi | shiznit06:05
ubotushiznit: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!06:05
shiznitwindoze sucks06:05
penguincentralshiznit: i agree.  what is your reason?06:05
shiznitdownloading pro evoluting 2008 demo06:06
penguincentralwhat happened with Pro Evo?06:06
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afd_ hi! I have a hardware problem... I'm purchased a new dvd-writer driver, SATA model. It didn't work with Feisty (it won't complete loading kernel modules), so I've upgraded to Gutsy. I just wrote a dvd with it, but I can't mount the drive. I've even tried mounting it manually, but I can't. I get this in dmesg output: cdrom: failed setting lba address space06:06
afd_Any ideas?06:06
penguincentralok, how about we take it to offtopic06:06
penguincentralha shiznit?06:06
shiznity not06:06
shiznitis that a channe06:06
penguincentral!offtopic | shiznit06:07
ubotushiznit: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!06:07
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shiznitafd, are you using ahci06:07
mooperhi, I have a dual monitor setup with ati big desktop thingy. When I go full screen with a VM on server it uses both screens. with a duplicate in each screen. How Can I keep the VM to one screen?06:07
afd_shiznit: I'm not sure what's that06:07
dagobertdammit, i let gutsy upgrade.... now X is totally broken06:07
shiznitadvanced host contoller interface06:07
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afd_shiznit: I don't know. I have two other hard-drives which are on sata, I've removed one of them and placed the dvd drive06:08
afd_modern computer architecture eludes me :)06:08
afd_shiznit: at one point I checked the BIOS for any SATA related settings, but I couldn't find any06:09
Darkstrikerk ppl now can some1 again tell em how to configure xorg.conf so as to get along with my monitor cause i just tried and i completely screwed xserver so that it didnt see a display anymore.06:11
afd_Darkstriker: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg06:11
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Darkstrikerk but then it still wont seemy screen correctly...06:13
Darkstrikerit says generic screen06:14
afd_Darkstriker: this is not automatic configuration, you'll be able to set stuff06:14
afd_dagobert: I had the same issue, you probably need to check if Xgl can start on your computer06:16
afd_there's a way to disable Xgl06:16
afd_so that it will use the old x.org server06:16
afd_I had the same issue06:16
dagobertwhich X server should i be running ?06:16
dagoberti reconfigured xserver-xorg, works now, dunno why it broke though06:16
afd_create a file called ~/config/xserver-xgl/disable06:17
afd_I mean, with the path ~/config/xserver-xgl, called "disable"06:17
afd_empty file06:17
afd_dagobert: sorry, if it works now for you, don't listen to my advice06:19
dagobertis there aiglx for the i810 graphics card?06:19
jerpesdagobert, nvidia has aiglx06:22
random-nicknamedagobert, unless my names are wrong, yes. running beryl on one with aiglx06:22
jerpesdagobert, ATI has aiglx very soon :D06:22
afd_jerpes: do you know anything about aiglx support for an r200?06:23
dagoberti810 is intel isnt it? not nvidia or ATI?  or am i confusing things ?06:23
random-nicknamedagobet, yes its intel06:23
dagoberti have i810 like millions of other generic motherboards06:23
jerpesafd_, it should be in the next driver release06:23
dagobertso aiglx is strictly a ATI/nvidia thing ?06:23
jerpesi dont know if intel has it06:23
afd_jerpes: when's that?06:23
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jerpesafd_, soon06:24
jerpesafd_, dont know any dates06:24
afd_jerpes: thanks... it'll probably make splashes on phoronix, I'll follow this there06:24
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jerpesafd_, that makes splashes everywhere :)06:25
jerpesAMD has been gods gift to humans with ATI cards06:25
Darkstrikerk now i did the manual config but my screen is still fucked up cause ubuntu doesnt seem to be able to recognize my monitor06:25
jerpesand opensource in general06:25
random-nicknamedagobert, I have it working on an intel 915 card with beryl, so its not just ati/nvid06:25
random-nicknamedagobert, trying to find you a howto on it for ubuntu06:25
jerpesrandom-nickname, beryl does xgl06:25
random-nicknamejerpes, or aiglx06:25
jerpesboth ;)06:26
random-nicknamejerpes, yup06:26
Darkstrikerppl i need help desperately...my display is shifted way to the right and that sort of completely screws the fund of ubuntu06:27
jerpesDarkstriker, gfx card?06:27
Darkstriker7900 gt and syncmaster display06:27
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jerpesgt is nvidia?06:28
Darkstrikerbut he egts that06:28
jerpesis nvidia-glx-new installed?06:28
Darkstrikerhe doesnt get my monitor06:28
gnomefreakanyone know what package is holding the gstreamer-lame?06:28
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kriwill there be the new gnome 2.20 in gg?06:33
mooperSMARTerror, How??06:33
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jerpeskri, its already there06:35
kriin the beta?06:35
kriah nice :)06:36
kriand how about xen?06:36
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kriis it in the stanard kernel?06:36
Eq|workkri : gnome has nothing to do with the kernel06:37
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jerpeskri, xen is there but i dont know what version06:37
Eq|workah wait, sorry, missed that line06:37
Eq|workthere is a xen kernel in the package list iirc06:37
Eq|workapt-cache search linux-image xen06:37
Eq|workshould help06:37
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kriyes sure there is one in feisty, too, but its not the standard kernel06:38
jerpesits not in the standard kernel06:38
bstockalright, when trying to add a printer it asks for a password. i type in my password and it just keeps asking.. my dmesg reports 'kernel: [612920.042567]  audit(1191343096.435:275):  type=1503 operation="file_mmap" requested_mask="mr" denied_mask="m" name="/etc/shadow" pid=5750 profile="/usr/sbin/cupsd"'06:38
bstockany idea what could be causing that?06:39
jerpesbut there is a xen kernel in the repos and that should be fine06:39
krii really cant await the 18. :)06:40
jerpesi rather want hardy or a 2.6.23 kernel backport06:41
gnomefreakjerpes: more than likely it will be 2.6.2406:41
bstocki seem to get the same thing when i run 'cupsdconf' from terminal06:41
gnomefreakhint look at past final kernels06:41
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jerpesgnomefreak, yea but i want to test out CFS now :)06:42
gnomefreakjerpes: build it but its not fun, easy or a good idea until gutsy is final06:42
jerpesi know06:42
jerpesthats why im waiting06:43
Lorvijahey, is there a option i could set so that my computer would hibernate after 30mins of inactivity? and so that it wouldnt depend if someone is logged or not..06:43
jerpeswill a vannilla kernel run good in ubuntu?06:43
jerpesLorvija, yes, the power manager06:43
Lorvijajerpes: humm.. didn't work for me atleast (:06:43
Lorvijawell when i'm not logged it doesnt work06:44
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Lorvijawell... i dont even see hibernate option anywhere (:06:45
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Lorvijahmm brb, restart >06:49
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jerpesdoes anybody when compiz fusion 0.6.0 will hit gutsy?06:50
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Lorvijahumm.. so why there's no hibernate option in powermanager? :E and the suspend is broken..06:52
Lorvijaalso is the screensaver supposed to be bright white (:06:54
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dopezcould someone running kubuntu gutsy please confirm if the network manager and knetworkmanager are horible unstable? (so that i know i need to check my config or help with bug reports) i have trouble that when connecting to a wireless network it says all okay but i have no IP, and retry to connect to the wireless network results either in knetworkmanager staying at 0% or networkmanager crashing07:02
dopez(and thus dbus needs to be restarted)07:02
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dopezi have this since i run gutsy, upgraded from feisty to gutsy tribe 507:03
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edulixwhat are we going to use in ubuntu gutsy, strigi or tracker?07:15
Vorboteedulix, both, depending on flavor.07:16
edulixso strigi for kubuntu07:16
edulixthat's what I thought07:16
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jerpesCompiz 0.6.0 is building!!!07:28
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kRushanything in 0.6 that would be worthwhile the trouble of manually installing?07:30
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plbin kubuntu gutsy there is a special effect when you click k-menu...where is the option for this?07:34
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Darkstrikerpplso is there now some1 who can help me fix my monitor confic cause my displayis still shifted cause xserver doesnt recognize my monitor07:38
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Dr_willisDarkstriker,  this is a LCD or CRT monitor?07:40
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Darkstrikerdvi lcd  samsung 1600x12007:40
isidoro April 26th 2007 is past07:41
Dr_willisthats odd.. with dvi/lcd normally the monotor gives X the proper config values.07:41
Dr_williswhat brand samsung? got a 226bw here.07:42
isidorowhere is gusty?07:42
ubotuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases07:42
Darkstrikeri got a 04b and 7.10 and 7900gt07:42
Dr_willisDarkstriker,  is the console positioned right?07:42
Dr_willisDarkstriker,  you did install the nvidia drivers?07:42
Darkstrikerthe console is positioned right as is the logon screen but the desktop is screwed...07:43
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isidoroUbuntu 6.10 (The Edgy Eft): October 2006    today is october 2007 what's new?07:43
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ugasomebody must update that list =)07:44
Dr_willisDarkstriker,  that is VERY weird..  the logon screen is using the same X config.07:44
Darkstrikerim busy on the nvidia drivers07:44
ugaisidoro: gutsy isn't out yet07:44
ugaisidoro: but will be out pretty soon07:44
ugafeisty is the last release07:44
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Darkstrikergutsy isnt out thats why we are here07:44
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ugaDarkstriker: so get popcorn, make coffee and be patient =)07:45
isidorowork work development development ....07:45
DarkstrikerDr_willis thats what i tough when i rebooted this time ebcause before both used to be screwed but all of a sudden the login isnt anymore...07:45
Darkstrikerill get the nvidia drivers and reboot in a sec07:45
Darkstrikersee what ahppens..07:45
Dr_willisi would have to say.. get the nvida drivers going first.. then troubleshoot07:46
Dr_willisOh.. with a DUAL monitor setup i had that issue also.. i rember now07:46
Darkstrikeryeah but some1 before said it was about x not detecting my monitor correctly..07:46
Dr_willisYou not on a dual monitor config?07:46
Darkstrikeryeah i used dual but the live cd wouldnt even boot so i now use this monitor on my server which is how i chat07:46
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Darkstrikercan u use dual monitor now??? could u fix it?07:47
templar^any XGL experts in here?07:47
ugaDarkstriker: wouldn't boot?07:48
nopitosI've upgraded to beta ubuntu and my firefox stopped working. I've read a bug report regarding this, but none of the solutions worked. Any idea?07:48
ugaDarkstriker: or you couldn't see any graphics07:48
Dr_willisI use dual monitors for the last 3+ years under linux07:48
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Dr_willison nvidia systems they can be 'weird' UNTILL you install the nvidia drivers07:49
ugaDr_willis: weird as in "black"? =)07:49
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Darkstrikerthe nvidia drivers completely screwed it man07:49
Dr_willisweird as in the Desktop defaulted to the TV. not the main monitor...07:49
Darkstrikermy geee07:49
templar^Ive installed gutsy and xserver-xgl (for my ati card) but when i go to restart X in XGL it just hangs after the login and restarts xserver until i remove XGL again, anyone have any ideas?07:50
Creationistnopitos: Have you tried reinstalling firefox?07:50
Dr_willisor I got GDM on monitor #2, but login and get monitor #1 as the desktop.. and console shows up only on #2  ect...07:50
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nopitosCreationist: reinstalling. changing theme.07:50
kyjaI have noticed a few dialog boxes where the "close" button does not function. this is usually when something like the movie player cant find a codec after a search. or some other things07:50
Dr_willisThe new Xconfig thing under Gutsy does help however.07:50
Creationistnopitos: How about removing with the --purge flag?07:50
nopitosCreationist: let me try this.07:50
Creationistnopitos: And what errors or messages does it throw when you try to start Firefox from a terminal?07:51
Darkstrikerwtf??? i get lines all over the screen once i login and he fixes my refreshrate at 50 which isnt compatible with my monitor and now my monitor has gone black07:51
nopitosCreationist: marcelo@marcelo:/usr/lib/firefox$ firefox07:51
nopitosSegmentation fault (core dumped)07:51
CreationistDarkstriker: For some reason, nVidia drivers screw everything up for me in Gutsy too.07:51
nopitosCreationist: I'll try purging, I will show you more information.07:51
Dr_willisit may be theres some odd bugs with your card.07:51
Creationistnopitos: Haha, that error message belongs on a Windows box... very informative ;)07:52
Dr_willismy 8800gts. (dual monitor) was off positioned. untill i ran the restricted-drivers tool. and installed the nvidia drivers/rebooted.07:52
Darkstrikerwouldnt see why there should be any07:52
scizzo-I am using dual monitors on nvidia and samsung monitors07:52
nopitosCreationist: marcelo@marcelo:/usr/lib/firefox$ ./firefox-bin07:52
nopitos./firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libmozjs.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory07:52
Dr_willisnow i just cant seem to get GDM to show up on the proper monitor. :)07:52
CreationistDr_willis: Is a complete reboot required?  Or can I just restart X?07:52
Dr_willisI rebooted just tobe safe. since there was other updates also07:52
Creationistnopitos: That means it can't find one of your plugins.07:53
ugaCreationist: you mean gutsy drivers or nvidia's own07:53
Dr_willisspeaking of updates.... heh..07:53
Creationistuga: The Gutsy drivers.07:53
Dr_willisI only use the repo-drivers..07:53
nopitosnopitos: I've purged and installing again, let's see how it goes.07:53
ugaCreationist: ahk. I removed the packages and installed nvidia's installer. All smooth and working07:53
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CreationistDr_willis: Same here... lots of problems with it though.  Both nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-new07:53
Dr_willisCreationist,  i can say.. no problem here other thne  a few little thangs.07:54
Darkstrikeri really get lines all over the placeomg...07:54
Darkstrikervery strange..07:54
CreationistDr_willis, uga: Doesn't matter which drivers I use, I can't change resolution or refresh rates.  It just says it's "Trying the new settings" but it doesn't actually change anything.07:54
Darkstrikerbut the problem with the mouse not fitted to the position of the displayis gone....07:54
ugaCreationist: did you try setting those manually?07:54
ugain xorg.conf07:55
CreationistScratch that... it let me go down to 340x220 or whatever it is.07:55
Creationistuga: No.07:55
Darkstrikersudo su07:55
Darkstrikerwrong keyboard07:55
ompaul!sudo | Darkstriker  (you should know better ;-) )07:55
ubotuDarkstriker  (you should know better ;-) ): sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.07:55
ugaCreationist: check under Section "Monitor"07:55
ugaCreationist: there's two parameters. HorizSync and VertRefresh07:56
ugayou can set those ranges according to your monitor's manual07:56
Creationistuga: That assumes I can FIND my monitor's manual ;)07:56
uga50.6-80.5 for example07:56
ugaCreationist: heh =)07:56
nopitosCreationist: no deal. purged everything and reinstalled. same error.07:57
ompaulCreationist, take model number shove it into something like google.com (maybe even google) and see what comes back07:57
nopitosCreationist: it is searching the lib in the correct place.07:57
Creationistnopitos: Did you try removing that lib?  Purging means deleting the ~/.mozilla directory.07:58
nopitosCreationist: firefox -safe-mode is good. :)07:58
nopitosCreationist: now it worked. --safe is nice :)08:00
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Creationistnopitos: It's a problem with that plugin, though.  Delete the plugin and try in normal mode.08:00
nopitosCreationist: yeah, you're right, thanks.08:00
Creationistuga: Okay, I'm not seeing the HorizSync and VertRefresh in my xorg.conf08:01
MTecknologyIs ubuntu going to be released with 2.2.0 or 2.2.1 of pidgin?08:01
Creationistuga: Just several lines like this: modeline  "1400x1050@75" 155.85 1400 1496 1648 1896 1050 1051 1054 1096 -hsync +vsync08:01
SlartMTecknology: check the release calendar for the freeze date.. I'm guessing it will be 2.2.008:01
MTecknologylol - nevermind08:01
AmaranthMTecknology: why?08:02
MTecknologySlart, I'm doing upgrades for the day now - it's getting 2.2.108:02
MTecknologyAmaranth, I was just curious08:02
SlartMTecknology: then I revise my guess.. I'm guessing 2.2.1 now =)08:02
MTecknologyI use pidgin, firefox, and thunderbird - I have a fat32 partition for the profiles08:02
AmaranthMTecknology: 2.2.1 is obviously going to be better than 2.2.0, is that your reasoning? :)08:03
templar^sorry to be a pest but no one has heard of any XGL issues with compiz and gutsy?08:03
SlartAmaranth: 2.2.0 had a security flaw that allowed a remote user to crash pidgin.. 2.2.1 was almost just a fix for that.. afaik08:04
AmaranthSlart: No, 2.2.1 was like 70 thousand lines of code changed08:04
Amaranthfrom 2.2.008:04
Slartoh.. that big a change?08:04
Amaranthalways is08:04
Amaranthpidgin is horrible08:04
MTecknologyAmaranth, not really - b/c windows and linux are using the same profiles for those things, I want to keep everything on the same version08:04
SlartI thought they just changed the msn-protocol thingy08:04
MTecknologywhat makes pidgin horrible?08:05
ugaCreationist: do you see "Section "Monitor""?08:05
Slartthe name? no recursion, no mentioning gnu anywhere... and it sounds like a bird :)08:05
hyljegranted it has a purple pigeon for a logo08:06
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ugaCreationist: http://rafb.net/p/H0PlOO47.html08:06
ugaouch, too late08:06
AmaranthNo GNOME integration, poor release management, useless library (only useful for making a new pidgin)08:06
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buz_i'm trying to get gnash to play youtube videos. but it just sits there, spinning some dots around08:09
buz_according to http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-474596.html it should ask me to install gstreamer plugins but does nothing of that sort08:09
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MTeck_MTecknology, go away... :D08:12
MTecknologyAmaranth, if you gave me any reasons - i didn't get them08:12
MTecknologycould you please repeat?08:13
nosrednaekimMTecknology: hey... did you get your stylus working.08:13
MTecknologynosrednaekim, yup08:13
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AmaranthMTecknology: No GNOME integration, poor release management, useless library (only useful for making a new pidgin)08:13
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MTecknologysame as 7.04... I wouldn't even expect it to ever be built into ubuntu - not much user base for it08:14
MTecknologynosrednaekim, ^^^08:14
nosrednaekimMTecknology: hey... file a bug... they'll fix it08:14
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MTecknologynosrednaekim, maybe when I have time - It's not so much that xorg.conf file that needs changing - that much would be easy - but i need to install an fpit driver, whcih would be extra space on the CD, and I also recompile two parts of it08:17
MTecknologyactually - somebody else did the recompile and I haven't got around to doing it myself08:17
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MTecknologyI could file a bug and make sure it's marked as low priority maybe08:19
MTecknologyDarkstriker, why do you want a DCC CHAT connection open?08:22
Darkstrikerno i was just trien chatzilla..08:23
MTecknologyo - lol08:23
Darkstrikergot no clue what taht meant..08:23
Darkstrikerand wouldnt work anyways cause it displays my hamachi ip08:23
MTecknologyme either08:23
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Darkstrikerim now updating my ubuntu and i hope that fixes the lot..08:24
Darkstrikerbut i got my doubts..08:24
MTecknologyDarkstriker, all i know is dcc = direct client to client08:24
Darkstrikerthats what it says but the rest???08:24
Darkstrikerprobably gets around the irc server08:24
MTecknologydang - i need somebody to do my cobol for me - it's so monotonous and repetitive08:25
MTecknologywe do some pointless crap - we should be at least 1/3 done w/ the book08:26
MTecknologywe spend 1/2 the class learning HER standards08:26
MTecknologyinstead of the standards in the book08:26
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Darkstrikeranybody knwo how to egt a mic working well under ubuntu?08:28
nosrednaekimDarkstriker: I only know how to on kubuntu.08:28
Darkstrikerwell i bet that doesnt work on ubuntu right?08:29
nosrednaekimDark basically, find out which channel is the mic..08:29
nosrednaekimwell, what srong with the mic now?08:29
Darkstrikerthe sound is damn soft and it makes an irritating background noise it didnt use to make in windows08:29
MTecknologydid you plug it all the way in - - sorry to ask08:30
Darkstrikerno change from windows :P08:30
nosrednaekimMTecknology: turn on mic boost.08:30
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MTecknologythat's all i know :P08:30
npurcifulwhats up guys08:30
MTecknologyI haven't tried my mic in linux yet - or windows08:30
MTecknologyit's built into the screen08:31
nosrednaekimnpurciful: not much08:31
Darkstrikerppl why is my damn login screen not screwed and my desktop is????08:31
Darkstrikerim gettin really pissed right now...08:31
MTecknology!language > Darkstriker08:31
MTecknologydid you change anything in your profile?08:31
MTecknologytry logging in as a different user08:32
MTecknologyhey - i gotta get homework done08:32
Darkstrikerk cya round08:32
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cdm10I can't get samba or USB drives to work in Gutsy.08:36
cdm10Everything worked fine in Feisty.08:36
cdm10Is this a known problem?08:36
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Darkstrikernot u sry08:38
Darkstrikerbut i jsut got my system to work by creating a new user..08:38
Darkstrikercause the old one is just screwed..08:38
Darkstrikerbig thanks to all who helped me on this one08:38
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IndyGunFreakanyone else have problems with gparted not starting under gutsy?08:41
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IndyGunFreakhas anyone gotten gparted to work under gutsy?.... it just freezes at scanning devices08:44
MTecknologyanybody wanna help me figure out how to get software to not crash in windows? ........ I hate this OS... I need to use it about 4hrs of my day - at least 3 of them overlap :)08:44
riotkittieIndyGunFreak:  you mean i'm not alone in that? :o08:44
smacfarlhey. So I just completed an install to 7.10 from 7.04, but I had a power failure in the middle of the fetch and so had to recover with a partial. How do I test if everything is ok?08:45
IndyGunFreakriotkittie: lol, apparently not.08:45
IndyGunFreakriotkittie: its not a huge deal to me i guess, i use a i downloaded partedmagic, and use it for partitioning, but it would be nice to not have to boot a live CD to examine partitions.08:45
IndyGunFreakqtparted works, but i hate it.08:45
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nosrednaekimMTecknology: #windows08:45
riotkittieoh wait. i havent tried it in the actual install.08:45
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MTecknologynosrednaekim, i wasn't asking for help - i was complaining that I'm forced into using the os on occasion08:46
IndyGunFreakriotkittie: i have, it just "scanning all devices", and never starts... i unplugged everthing but my hard drive(ipod, external drives), and still no joy08:46
riotkittieMTecknology: the best way to avoid software crashing in windows, for some ... is really to just not turn windows on08:46
nosrednaekimMTecknology: :p08:46
smacfarlcan gutsy play wma lossless and if not has anyone here converted wma lossless to flac?08:47
MTecknologyriotkittie, I've had this convo b4 - many times... it's not feasible for me to never use it08:47
MTecknologytwo classes basically require I use it - and work requires it too08:47
IndyGunFreaklol its a windows world unfortunately.08:47
MTecknology!bug #108:47
ubotuLaunchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/108:47
riotkittieMTecknology: are you having that prob on one machine, or does it span multiple boxes?08:48
IndyGunFreakbut i only have a 20-25gig windows partition.... for my GPS device, which has no forseeable hope of working w/ Ubuntu08:48
IndyGunFreak!bug #208:48
MTecknologyriotkittie, ......v *hiccup* sta08:48
MTecknologylong irritating story there too08:48
riotkittieoh. beasta.08:48
MTecknologyit's horrible - it's raping my HD08:49
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IndyGunFreaklol, raping your hd?..lol08:49
IndyGunFreakhas anyone here used the partedmagic live CD, as opposed to gparted?08:50
MTecknologyabout 1/2 my HD is allocated to it... it's almost 4/5 full - Ubuntu has about 1/4 my HD and is using about... 4G or less of it08:50
riotkittiei... acquired a copy, and put it on my husband's box. it only took 3 days before he begged me to get rid of it because it was so unstable08:50
nnonixDid a dist-upgrade yesterday (morning) and my ethernet interface was immediately unusable. eth0 shows up under ifconfig (with no ip) but dhclient says it doesn't exist when I try to renw. Additionally, syslog shows Network Manager dropping the connection saying it is no longer valid. Any similar issues in beta-land?08:50
smacfarlwhere's the best place to go for 7.10 docs08:50
IndyGunFreakriotkittie: a copy of what?08:51
IndyGunFreakwats tat?08:51
riotkittiewindow's most recent os :P08:51
riotkittienow he's eyeballing my gutsy install. but i know he'll never ever ever ever use linux08:51
smacfarlvista then08:51
npurcifulhuh, the encrypt full disk disapeared on gusty  alt-install08:51
IndyGunFreakriotkittie: lol, oh, vista08:52
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IndyGunFreaki've only messed wit it at Best Buy, which hardly gives me the right to make an informed opinion, but i'll assume its like just about everything else out of redmond.08:52
innovatinew intel iMac, will it run kubuntu 7.10 out of the box or will there be a modified package coming out to better suit it08:52
smacfarlAre there 7.10 docs yet? Anybody know?08:52
nosrednaekiminnovati: gutsy should work on it.08:53
innovati:-) I can't wait to install it then08:53
MTecknologyMicrosoft defines an operating system as a piece of software that should have everything integrated into a single closed source and insecure system in which should have the right to force the end user to agree to bogus EULA's and thusly, allow the manufacturer to gain more revenue by not allowing the system to run on current hardware.08:54
innovatithanks, I'm out for now08:54
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MTecknologyThis definition is prevelant in it's newest release Windows Vista. It also appears that Microsoft is further defining OS as a system that should NOT, under ANY circumstances, be user friendly08:55
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MTecknologyseriously.... try IIS708:56
wasabiWhere abouts do we blacklist certain modules these days?08:56
nosrednaekim /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist08:57
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smacfarlSo 7.10 docs? Any takers. Noob wants to RTFM, just needs pointer to manuals.08:58
nosrednaekimsmacfarl: manuals for what?08:58
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smacfarlwhat changed? What's new? What should I be testing? How can I verify what i have?08:58
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disasmhow's gutsy coming along? Anything I should be looking forward to from a sysadmin perspective?08:59
wasabiAnd does the initramfs not include modules listed in blacklist?08:59
wasabiIn fact where does the initramfs decide to include any sata modules. Can't seem to find it.08:59
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about releasedocs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi09:00
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smacfarlnosrednaekim: So will I be able to answer any of those questions, or are there no real docs on that yet, and if there aren't can I help write them.09:00
disasmwasabi: /etc/initramfs-tools/modules is the location in feisty, I don't think that changed09:00
wasabiahh hah09:01
nosrednaekimsmacfarl: search the wiki, and if you can't find the answers.. sure.. write away :)09:01
MTecknologysmacfarl, there should be docs already on the system actually09:01
MTecknologyidk the package they come with09:02
smacfarlright searching for gutsy and 7.10 turns up no results what is the search tag i need to find info?09:02
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MTecknologyprobably something like ubuntu-manual09:02
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MTecknologythere's a whole part of your file system for docs... and I can't tell ya b/c I'm using **** atm09:02
smacfarlMTecknology: One would thing the phrase "what's new in gutsy" would return a page on the wiki or in google even.09:03
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smacfarlI mean someone has to be working on a 7.10 right? So who are they and how do I help them?09:04
smacfarl7.10 tab on the wiki09:04
MTecknologysmacfarl, I can name off a crap load that I've encountered personally... two of them were things that - when upgrading - i said to myself... i'm gonna crap myself is this bs even works09:05
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MTecknologyand they did - off the bat :D09:05
smacfarlMTecknology: So what broke? Shouldn't we be reporting this somewhere and therefore should we be able to view the reports somehow? Maybe I'm just too noobish to understand how this is supposed to work?09:06
pumaunder 7.10 beta,my K-menu doesn't work09:06
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suloHi, how do you change keymap in console in ubuntu 7.10?09:06
nosrednaekimpuma: what does it do?09:07
MTecknologysmacfarl, i reported one bug that wound up being a dup under different circumstances09:07
riotkittiesulo: does sudo loadkeys /usr/share/keymaps/...  not work?09:08
suloriotkittie I don't know... trying now09:08
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riotkittieif it does, its only temporary. i forgot how i made it permanent when i had to change mine09:08
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suloriotkittie  hmmm. /usr/share/keymaps is empty09:09
riotkittieho hum. let me reboot09:09
MTecknologyaside from that - two things that weren't working right in 7.04 work perfect in 7.10 - including printing to a pain in the ass printer... one thing i don't expect to ever be fixed b/c of the low user base, and another isn't an issue now09:09
Vorbotesulo, doesn't "sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup" work for you?09:09
suloVorbote: trying...09:10
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Darkstrikeri am trying to install beryl and the ./configure checks several things and then returns the error: "C compiler cannot create executables"09:12
Darkstrikerany ideas?09:13
MTecknologyNO BERYL!!09:13
suloVorbote. I think that did it. Thanks!09:13
Darkstrikerwhat exactly is the difference?09:13
MTecknologyit comes installed09:13
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Darkstrikerhow to use?09:13
Tomcat_Why would anyone still use Beryl? o_O09:13
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Tomcat_It's a bit old these days. :)09:14
suloI find it a bit strange that ^D and ^L doesn't work in the terminal in Ubuntu09:14
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MTecknologyTomcat_, news travels slow?09:14
riotkittiehow bizarre09:14
Darkstrikerk how to get cmpizfusion to work then?09:14
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pumaanyone use 690G?09:14
MTecknologyDarkstriker, beryl's been dead since may ish09:14
MTecknologyDarkstriker, CompizFusion09:15
MTecknologySystem > Preferences > GL Desktop09:15
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jerpesDaemonik, compiz fusion is a merge of compiz and beryl09:15
MTecknologyif you have ATI - you might have some issues09:15
jerpesDaemonik, go to the restricted-manager and enable the driver first09:15
Darkstrikeri dont see the gl desktop thingy09:15
MTecknologyis it called GL Desktop or Desktop effects?09:16
MTecknologyI'm not in linux yet09:16
Tomcat_In gutsy it's just "Appearance".09:16
MTecknologythe restricted-manager is in system>administration09:16
pumaChecking for Xgl: not present.09:16
pumaNo whitelisted driver found09:16
pumaaborting and using fallback: /usr/bin/metacity09:16
Darkstrikerthx thats there :P09:16
nosrednaekimDarkstriker: are you running kubuntu?09:16
MTecknologyI just use ccsm to manage everything09:17
Darkstrikernope just normal ubuntu09:17
Darkstrikerlolso funny that stuff :P09:17
Darkstrikeris taht 3d cube in there as well and if how to get it?09:18
pumatyped in terminal I got the above09:18
nosrednaekimpuma: you need XGL09:18
nosrednaekimpuma: as well as the offical ATI drivers09:19
MTecknologytime to get back into linux!!09:19
jerpesDaemonik, you enable the gfx driver in restricted manager ?09:19
jerpesDarkstriker, ^^09:19
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pumagive me a Link plz.09:20
Darkstrikeri got everythin to worko.O09:20
nosrednaekimpumfor what? the ati drivers?09:20
jerpesDaemonik, go to system -> perferences -> Apperence09:20
jerpesDarkstriker, ^^09:20
Darkstrikerjerpes how to egt the 3d cube?09:20
jerpesDarkstriker, ctl + alt + click09:20
jerpesDarkstriker, you need to enable the cube first09:21
pumaamd64 beta. no 3D at all.09:22
nosrednaekimpuma: use the restricted-manager to install the ati driver.09:22
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Darkstrikerno 3d on amd64 beta????09:22
smallfoot-i look forward to gutsy gibbon :)09:22
jerpesDarkstriker, apperence then go to desktop effects and select full09:22
Darkstrikerthere is no desktop effects at my screen only visual effects and tehre the highest one i can choose is extra since i dont know what to do with custom...maybe u ca explain09:23
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suloHi, how do I change the keymap in gdm?09:25
jerpesDarkstriker, install compizconfig-settings-manager09:26
Darkstrikerwith add/remove or just download?09:26
jerpessynaptic :)09:26
jerpesadd/remove can also do the job i think09:26
jerpesnever used it09:27
Darkstrikernever heard that before..09:27
_siddDarkstriker: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager09:27
jerpesDarkstriker, synaptic is a package manager like add/remove just less bloated, its in system -> adminstrative09:28
pumaRestricted Driver is working(ATI accelerated graphics driver in use), how to open 3D?09:28
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jerpesDarkstriker, btw update your system, new compiz version is out09:29
Darkstrikerk jerpes i entered that line he asked for my passowrd and then he did nothing...for what im concerned.... what supposed to ahppen?09:29
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jerpesDarkstriker, you installed the program compizconfig-settings-manager09:29
Darkstrikerand what can i do with it?09:29
SergemineHi Guys, what's the Gutsy Beta Live Session login and password? It is very strange that it has to be typed in.09:29
jerpesDarkstriker, now in system -> preference -> advanced desktop effects you can configure compiz and cube09:30
_siddpuma: System -> Preferences -> Appearance09:30
Darkstrikerwhere do u see advanced desktop??? i cant find it...09:30
jerpesDarkstriker, system -> Preferences09:30
Darkstrikerneed reboot?09:31
jerpesthis is not windows ;)09:31
Darkstrikerthen its just not there09:31
Darkstrikeryeah i realize09:31
jerpesDarkstriker, install compizconfig-settings-manager with the add/remove09:31
Darkstriker'there is no matching application availible'09:32
pumajerpes : no response09:32
jerpesDarkstriker, in system -> Administrative open synaptic and install compizconfig-settings-manager09:32
jerpespuma, <_sidd> puma: System -> Preferences -> Appearance09:32
Darkstrikerthat one doesnt want to start o.O09:33
jerpespuma, there is a tab with visual effects09:33
SergemineAnyone got prompted to type login and password in 7.10 Beta Live ???09:33
pumaI can't change anything, it stopped.09:33
jerpesSergemine, alt+ctl+del, X restarts and it logs in after 10 secs09:33
Darkstrikernope u shouldnt be09:33
jerpespuma, alt + ctl + del09:34
jerpespuma, you need to do that after you install the ATI driver09:34
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nosrednaekimpuma: run "apt-get install xserver-xgl compiz"09:34
Sergeminejerpes, thank you09:35
jerpesSergemine, np09:35
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pumayou mean the official one from AMD web?09:35
Darkstrikerno the included one09:35
nosrednaekimand "apt-get install emerald"09:35
jerpespuma, the one in restricted-manager but do what nosrednaekim said09:35
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pumaI did09:35
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nosrednaekimyou installed xgl?09:36
pumaI have Emerald theme manager09:37
pumahow can I install xgl?09:38
jerpes<nosrednaekim> puma: run "apt-get install xserver-xgl compiz"09:38
nosrednaekimpuma: "sudo apt-get install xserver-xgl"09:38
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Darkstrikernow i got another prob09:39
Darkstrikerwell i sort fo cant get into admin mode anymore o.O09:40
Darkstrikeror root mode for taht matter09:40
pumaI finished sudo. Yet?09:41
Darkstrikerand most of the links in the administration menu are gone09:41
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pumaXgl server setup changed09:41
pumaThe Xgl server will now be started automatically next time you login.  It is no longer necessary to use any special X session to start Xgl, and such sessions will likely fail to work properly.  Please select a regular session from your session manager next time you log in.  To disable Xgl autostart for this user, create a file named ~/.config/xserver-xgl/disable09:41
Darkstrikerso how do i make a user admin via terminal?09:41
jerpespuma hit alt + ctl + del09:41
pumathanks. I am trying09:41
jerpesDarkstriker, you dont make a user admin09:42
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pumano response09:42
jerpespuma,  login and log out09:42
jerpesDarkstriker, does your sudo not work or what?09:42
Darkstrikersort ofyes09:42
jerpesDarkstriker, you need to explain your situation a little better09:42
Darkstrikerthats waht it reutrn when i run somethin which need administartional rights09:42
Darkstrikerie root09:42
jerpesit returned sort of yes?09:43
Darkstrikersec ill get u the exact message in a sec09:43
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Darkstriker'failed to run users-admin as user root'09:45
Darkstrikerthat swhat it says09:45
MTecknologyHow can I change the name of a printer I set up? I did dsu_Higbie - but I want DSU_Higbie09:45
Darkstrikeris that because i put a password on root?09:45
disasmi did a search on ubuntu's site and came up with this: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe5 - is that the closest thing we have to release notes so far? If so, no big deal, I'll be installing it on a test machine, just was curious before setting up the machine if there are any really cool reasons to upgrade09:45
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jerpesDarkstriker, that should not affect sudo09:46
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jerpesDarkstriker, you are normal user?09:46
Xerodisasm, the new dialogs are fun.09:47
ericusI've just updated to gutsy, and now XGL is messing with me09:47
ericuseverything is really lagging09:47
disasmXero: dialogs? for what?09:47
nosrednaekimericus: what video card do you have?09:47
ericusradeon 955009:47
Xerodisasm, just in general better-looking dialogs.09:47
nosrednaekimericus: do you have the official drivers installed?09:47
ericusI want to disable this09:47
XeroThe Fonts/Desktop Effects/Wallpaper have all been integrated into one Appearance Settings dialog.09:47
ericusnosrednaekim, the proprietary?09:47
nosrednaekimericus: yeah09:48
ericusi've tried both09:48
jerpesericus, wait to next driver release (should be soon now) with aigxl support09:48
ericusso yes09:48
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ericusi cant wait09:48
nosrednaekimericus: run "sudo apt-get remove xserver-xgl"09:48
ericusmy computer have become almost unusable09:48
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ericuswont that cause me more trouble?09:48
pumathanks to nosred...m09:49
nosrednaekimericus: nope.09:49
Xeroericus, if you can live without Compiz, no.09:49
nosrednaekimpuma: got it working?09:49
ericusi can live without it09:49
ericusfor now09:49
nosrednaekimpuma: sweet09:49
disasmXero: ah, I was looking for changes more in the area of affecting system administration, such as init scripts that boot fine in an ldap/nfs environment during network issues, better recovery from NFS home directory disconnects, etc...09:49
pumabut pc run a bit slower09:49
ericusnow its removed09:49
nosrednaekimpuma: now, whatever you do, don't disable desktop icons.. ;)09:49
ericusthen ctrl + backspace and login again?09:49
jerpesbtw is the whales in cube plugin removed?09:50
nosrednaekimericus: log out properly..09:50
ericusokay, thank you!09:50
Darkstrikerargh...the add/remove button is gone as well...09:50
nosrednaekimand THEN ctrl+alt+bkspce09:50
pumatry to learn setting rest09:50
Darkstrikerhow can i get that falg on that user which allows him to administer the systeM?09:50
pumathank you jerpes09:50
jerpesits alt+ctl backspace09:50
Darkstrikerand then?09:51
pumahow to show Cube?09:51
disasmDarkstriker: boot single user (the recovery kernel in grub) run visudo as root.09:51
Xerovisudo? Like vim+sudo?09:52
XeroYuck. Emacs emacs emacs.09:52
nosrednaekimpuma: ctrl+alt+ arrow keys09:52
jerpesDarkstriker, terminal type su and then your root password09:52
pumano Cube yet09:52
Xeropuma, sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager09:53
jerpeswhy isnt compizconfig-settings-manager installed by default? universe?09:53
Darkstrikerquestion what shouldi do once i have run visudo?09:54
pumaI ready got Emerald installed,09:54
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pumadoes it workable?09:54
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jerpesDarkstriker, have you rebootet?09:55
Darkstrikeryes im in visudo right now09:55
pumaok, follow what you told09:55
XeroThe Wubi installation on my mom's laptop can't use find in GRUB.09:55
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jerpesDarkstriker, close visudo, and type su then startx09:56
pumafinished. then?09:56
disasmXero: visudo uses editor set in /etc/alternatives09:56
Darkstrikerone sec... how??? it says ^O to write out or whatever how to do that?09:57
nosrednaekimpuma: what did you do? get the config manager?09:57
jerpespuma, go to the advanced dekstop effects in System -> Perferences and enable cube and cube reflection09:57
Darkstrikergot it09:57
nosrednaekimjerpes: I think he is running kubuntu.09:57
disasmDarkstriker: got it as in fixed?09:57
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Darkstrikergot it as in im in x now..09:58
jerpesDarkstriker, then start users-admin09:58
Darkstriker'you are not allowed to access the system configuratio' o.O09:58
Darkstrikeras root09:58
jerpesDarkstriker, System -> Administration -> Users and groups09:59
disasmDarkstriker: well in visudo there should be a line %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL if that's not there add it. also do adduser <user> admin to put <user> in the admin group10:00
Darkstrikeryeah just that returns the message i jsut posted10:00
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jerpesDarkstriker, open a terminal and type "sudo users-admin"10:00
Darkstrikersame results...10:01
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jerpesdisasm, how could that line be removed?10:01
disasmjerpes: isn't the problem he can't use sudo?10:01
disasmjerpes: well, it shouldn't have been, it's possible it could have though10:01
jerpesbut root has problems too10:02
disasmDarkstriker: are you root right now?10:02
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Darkstrikersecjust rebooted..10:02
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Darkstrikernow root can open users-admin again thx pplz10:03
disasmglad to hear it10:03
Darkstrikerk i got my user fixed as well i hope10:04
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Darkstrikerk now we can get back to compizconfig10:05
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pumahow to start Cube?10:06
jerpespuma, alt + ctl + mouse botton10:06
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Darkstrikernow he doesnt download o.O10:07
disasmpuma: as in the 3D FPS? I think you need to download data files separately10:07
pumanothing happened10:07
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DM|omg i updated to gutsy and everything is broken lol, unexpected, usually it goes quite smooth10:08
disasmDM|: lol ;-) didn't you read the disclaimer?10:09
DM|ok so sound first10:09
DM|disasm ive been a ubuntu user for 3 years, i know the disclaimer, you didnt read all of what i typed10:09
Darkstrikerwhat did it say??? like nothin will work in ehre or what?10:09
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disasmDM|: you did say unexpected, so what's wrong with your sound?10:10
DM|disasm ill get the error hold on10:10
pumactrl+alt+xxx,nothing happened to start Cube10:10
DM|disasm No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found. and....10:10
disasmDM|: do you see the module in lsmod|grep snd?10:10
jerpespuma, did you enable the cube plugin in advanced desktop effects10:11
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disasmoh, cube is a 3d affect ;-)10:11
pumain compizConfig i didi10:11
disasmi'm guessing similar to apple's cube it does when switching users10:11
jerpespuma, and is the 3d desktop working?10:11
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pumahow to judge jerpes?10:12
Darkstrikercrtl alt click10:12
jerpespuma, menus fade?10:12
jerpesDarkstriker, yes10:12
DM|disasm http://pastebin.com/m1344085310:12
pumai was setting compizconfig10:13
jerpespuma, alt + f2 type "compiz --replace &"10:13
DM|disasm oh and anytime i click something i get a crash report lol10:14
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puma& what..10:14
Darkstrikervery nice10:14
feierfoxhey ho!10:14
Darkstrikerbut i g2g to bed so ill see u guys around another time =)10:15
bjwebbis getting "kernel BUG" in dmesg a very bad thing?10:15
Darkstrikermy moms mad at me cause i was sick today already not its 10pm and i gotta sleep..10:15
Darkstrikershe says atelast :P10:15
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Darkstrikerso gn8 to everyone and a bi THANKS to all those who helped me =)10:15
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disasmDM|: my route to pastebin is down lol ;-)10:17
disasmDM|: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/10:18
riotkittiepartitions make my head hurt. :|10:18
DM|disasm http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/564/10:19
disasmDM|: no module loaded, output of lspci10:19
DM|disasm http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/565/10:19
DM|wireless isnt working either10:20
DM|im at a loss10:20
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ReL1Kwow nice sleu of updates today :)10:21
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disasmDM|: ick... googles down ;-) I think that's an hda driver card... try modprobe snd-hda-intel10:21
DM|FATAL: Module snd_hda_inte not found.10:22
DM|FATAL: Module snd_hda_intel not found.10:22
disasmDM|: add an l10:22
disasmah k10:22
DM|i keep getting crash reports too10:22
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mikubuntume three10:22
DM|pretty much anything i want to click on in the panel10:22
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PusurAnyone else experiencing problems with Azeurus?10:22
disasmhmmm... I don't have a gutsy machine to play with, and google is down right now, maybe todays the day to upgrade home machine to gutsy ;-)10:23
pumawhat does it mean "none" for button"?10:23
nosrednaekimpuma: it means it doesn't have a shortcut10:23
pumasad. no Cube yet10:23
mikubuntuanyone else having major screen rendering problems?  like funky split screen, two cursors, etc...?10:23
PusurIs it just me that is experiencing problems with Azeurus? Would be nice to know if this is just me, or if I should submit a bug report10:24
DM|disasm any idea?10:24
mikubuntui keep hoping the updates will provide a frix, cuz i can't be the only one with this experience ...10:24
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disasmDM|: for wireless, try modprobe iwp220010:25
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disasmerr ipw220010:25
mikubuntuscreen resolution down to 600 x 4oo or so ... arrrrgghhhhh10:25
disasmi take that back10:25
DM|disasm FATAL: Module iwp2200 not found.10:25
disasmok, uname -r10:26
DM|2.6.22-12-386 , hmm 386 wtf10:26
DM|i keep updateing and updating.. my god, 3 days now10:26
disasmapt-get install linux-image-2.6.20-15-generic10:27
rothchil1Pusur there's a bug in azureus10:27
DM|why would i go back a kernel10:27
Vorbotedisasm, "apt-get install linux-generic" that'll pull everything you need.10:27
disasmerrr, sorry, apt-cache search brought that up, hold on one sec10:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 57875 in azureus "Azureus hangs or crashes showing splash screen at start" [High,Confirmed] 10:28
DM|looks like todays update will be installing a new kernel hold on10:28
DM|4 m left10:28
disasmDM|: I'm joining the masses, doing a dist-upgrade, 1 gig to download ;-)10:31
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DM|disasm lol its a borked one..10:33
bjwebbcan anyone expalin this http://pastebin.ca/72348210:34
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disasmyes, but kernel won't affect me, I have a custom compiled one already ;-)10:34
disasmbjwebb: if you use pastebin.ubuntu.com I'll take a look, but my route is down to half the internet right now10:35
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disasmwhich is odd, because I'm ssh'd into my home computer, and everything works from here ;-)10:36
bjwebbdisasm: :S10:36
disasmwe got an e-mail saying it's a problem with the ISP in Pittsburgh that feeds our 2 OC2's10:36
puma_what's different between IE and firefox?10:37
disasmwhat's :S I use text and never seen that one10:37
cellojoepuma_: seriously??10:37
disasmpuma_: firefox doesn't suck ;-)10:37
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puma_I cann't surf some web in firefox10:38
disasmis that on boot?10:38
bjwebbdisasm: me, no10:38
bjwebbwhen i cd /home/bjwebb2/10:39
bjwebbthen ls10:39
puma_to read some real-time data10:39
disasmwhen do you get it, and how were you patient enough to write down the entire kernel panic?10:39
disasmdo you have another kernel installed?10:39
XeroOn my mom's laptop, HAL won't start.10:40
XeroI have no idea why.10:40
bjwebbdisasm: erm ls segments10:40
bjwebbthe i just did dmesg > text file10:40
puma_i.e. I cann't read some live data for football games in firefox. anybody knows?10:41
bjwebbpuma_: as in video?10:41
disasmbjwebb: the system is freezing there or no?10:42
bjwebbdisasm: no the system isn't freezing10:42
bjwebbpuma_: is this ie on windows and firefox on ubuntu?10:42
XeroHow important is hal?10:42
XeroIt won't start on my mom's laptop (Wubi install)10:42
disasmpuma_: I'd try a different kernel and see if it works10:43
puma_ie under XP ok. but not firefox in ubuntu.10:43
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disasmit looks to me like the exr3 module has a bug in it10:43
bjwebbdisasm: was that really meant to go to puma10:44
disasmerr, bjwebb10:44
bjwebbdisasm: i have the same prob with my kernel in fiesty and gutsy10:44
disasmerrr ext310:44
puma_i'd like to indicate one web.10:44
bjwebbpuma_: is it flash or java, because you might need to install them10:44
bjwebbpuma_: what website is it specifically10:44
bjwebbdisasm: who should i speak to next?10:44
disasmbjwebb: did you try doing an fsck from single user mode?10:44
puma_might try to visit www.ccrr22.com10:45
bjwebber yeah, but it finishes really quickly and says the partition is fine10:45
bjwebbpuma_: so you can see the 888crown logo on ie, but not on ifrefox?10:46
disasmbjwebb: what about a live cd? same error if you mount the fs and do an ls in the same dir?10:46
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XeroPlease help. Hal won't start on Ubuntu 7.10 freshly updated on my moms laptop.10:46
bjwebbdisasm: yes10:46
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disasmbjwebb: do you have another computer?10:46
bjwebbpuma_: you need flash10:47
ubotuTo install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash10:47
XeroPici: Can you help? HAL won't start.10:47
puma_bjwebb, can you figure it out?10:47
bjwebbdisasm: yes, im not too happy at moving around hds tho10:47
puma_i do have flash-player10:47
XeroOK wtf? Am I on some kind of silence ban or something?10:47
XeroSomeone reply if you can read this.10:47
disasmbjwebb: I think we've narrowed it down to the hard drive or some other hardware issue in the machine, if the live cd has problems, the OS isn't at fault10:48
bjwebbXero: i can10:48
disasmXero: i see you10:48
bjwebbdisasm: but its a gutsy live cd....10:48
disasmbjwebb: have you tried feisty live cd?10:48
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PiciXero: er, I dont know. I just got here.10:48
bjwebbdisasm: don't know if i have one10:48
Xeroinvoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed.10:49
bjwebbdisasm: but i have fiesty installed and same thing happens10:49
disasmbjwebb: what about badblocks?10:49
bjwebbill try that10:49
disasmalso, a memtest wouldn't hurt10:50
bjwebbdisasm: okay10:50
XeroWhy will my HAL not start? It seems to be important.10:51
disasmXero: what error message are you getting? I'm assuming it's on boot when you hide the splash screen you see it?10:52
bjwebbdisasm: bbiab10:52
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Xerodisasm, it's when I try to start it through invoke-rc.d10:52
Xeroinvoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed.10:52
XeroHAL itself returns no errors.10:52
disasmcan someone translate bbiab for me? I don't speak acronyms ;-)10:52
XeroIt doesn't start on boot, and it can't start.10:52
Xerodisasm, Be Back In A Bit10:52
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bjwebbdisasm: wrong command :S10:53
disasmXero: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/123966 - that look familiar?10:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 123966 in hal "[gutsy]  cannot install hal into a chroot" [Undecided,Confirmed] 10:53
Xerodisasm, I didn't know that Wubi is a chroot.10:54
XeroMy desktop works fine, and it's a pure Ubuntu(no Wubi, no sharing disks/partition tables with Windows, no Windows at all), so that would explain it.10:54
disasmi'm not saying it is, just wondering if it's the same behavior or not10:55
puma_bjwebb, any suggestion for 888 site?10:55
disasmwhat is wubi? I am so far behind :-D10:55
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XeroWow. What a hell of a workaround!10:56
bjwebbpuma_: are you sure you have flash installed on ubuntu?10:56
puma_yes. sudoed it10:56
puma_flash player10:57
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disasmbjwebb: what command?10:58
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bjwebbdisasm: ive only just switched into sum again10:59
bjwebbPirateHead: non yet :D10:59
bjwebbdisasm: why is fsck /dev/sda6 completing almost instantaneously?10:59
PirateHeadThey just couldn't resist the urge to name it the spoonerism for Hairy Hardon?10:59
PirateHeadUbuntu is too funny. =D11:00
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PirateHeadBut for now, it's Gusty I guess. =D Unfortunately for me, Gutsy doesn't work on my system.11:01
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bjwebbdisasm: ?11:02
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Sonicadvance1I have a wee bit of trouble, I can't find the package for rhythmbox to play my m4a files. It should be gstreamer<vers>-bad and/or gstreamer<vers>-bad-multiverse right? I have both of those install and rhythmbox still says that it doesn't have the right decoder. any help?11:03
PirateHeaddoes Gutsy still not have support for Telepathy?11:04
XeroWhere is the file that tells Linux what modules to load at boot?11:04
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PirateHeadSonicadvance1: I'm not sure about m4a files, but awhile ago I had to install something like gstreamer-extras11:06
Sonicadvance1I have all the gstreamer packages installed that are included :P11:06
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YarozePirateHead: lol11:07
DM|Can someone post Ubuntu repos for gutsy pls?11:07
YarozeDM|: just replace the word fiesty with gutsy11:08
PirateHeaddarnit i hate SUSE11:08
PirateHeadit's screwing up my keyboard inputs and putting stuff like that g up there in11:08
YarozePirateHead: german software :)11:09
PirateHeadGNewSense always detects my keyboard layout wrong. Being based on Ubuntu, which detects correctly, it's all very confusing.11:10
bjwebbdisasm: thanks for the help, fixed now11:11
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Sonicadvance1m4a files help? :D11:13
DM|yaroze i wanted a move complete list hehe, mine have been spliced so many times11:15
mikubuntudang, another slew of updates and my screen is still screwed up   ....  does anybody have a fix for this mess?11:15
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DM|can someone just post their sources.list for gutsy for me11:32
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aLeSDhi all11:34
aLeSDI upgrade all to the 7.10 ... and I have a problema11:34
La_PaRCaHey guys, is there some sort of guide on how to write specs for the upcoming release?11:34
aLeSDI can't change the resolution of the screen11:34
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aLeSDI have a 1280x780 .... but I have 1280x1024 in virtual screen11:35
DM|can someone just post their sources.list for gutsy for me11:35
aLeSDhot to configure it ?11:35
jerpesDM|, just use the software sources in system -> administrative?11:36
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jerpesaLeSD, System -> Preferences -> Screen resolution (or something like that)11:37
aLeSDjerpes: I did it but it doesn't work11:37
aLeSDI mean I set 1280x80011:38
DM|jerpes problem is i cant run anything from the panel, keep getting python errors11:38
jerpesDM|, 2sec getting the list11:38
aLeSDI close it11:38
aLeSDand when I reopen it I find 1280x102411:38
pschulz01I'me seeing a problem (collision type of bug) between network manager and compiz when I login to my desktop. Network manager generates a popup for my keyring, but this is not displayed.. in the foreground.11:38
aLeSDcan I set it by the commadn line ?11:38
DM|pshulz01 i never found it a good idea to have compiz load when u log in11:39
jerpesaLeSD, sudo dpkg --reconfigure xserver-xorg11:39
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)11:39
jerpesaLeSD, there is also the displayconfig-gtk11:39
aLeSDI don't want to edit the xorg.conf by myself11:39
jerpesDM|, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39404/11:40
pschulz01The workaround is to use <super>+<tab>.. and then the popup can be seen. Also.. untill the network manager configures the network, it look like gnome-panel doesn't completely startup/display either.11:40
jerpessudo displayconfig-gtk11:40
DM|jerpes thanks11:41
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bdgrauecan someone tell me how to get sound working with qtwengophone? i hear nothing11:42
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aLeSDjerpes: ok11:43
aLeSDThe error was 'BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation)'.11:43
aLeSD  (Details: serial 13 error_code 2 request_code 158 minor_code 2)11:43
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DM|jerpes thanks11:44
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jerpesDM|, np11:45
DM|jerpes  know anything about python?11:45
jerpesnot much11:45
DM|jerpes this is an example of what is crashing for me http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39407/11:46
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DM|Can everyone look at this : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39407/ , maybe someone knows the solution11:47
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XeroI now have email at my own website. Feareth my powers.11:47
pgavinwould anyone here have any idea why my applications menu is empty?11:48
pgavinI'm running ubuntustudio11:48
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aLeSDjerpes : --reconfigure doesn't work11:57
DM|Im getting crash reports when i try to run alot of things from the panel, anyone help ?11:57
jerpesaLeSD, you got the restricted gfx drivers installed?11:58
aLeSDof sourse11:58
aLeSDof course :)11:58
jerpesDM|, are you fully updated?11:58
DM|jerpes yep11:58
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lusepuster_My Gimp doesn't start - stalls when trying to load xsane module. known issue?12:01
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sobersabrehi guys.12:02
DM|jerpes any ideas?12:02
sobersabreI stopped seeing the popups of status of volume etc. when pressing the keys of volume.12:02
timstokmanhi, i have no /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf in my installation of gutsy gibbon beta installation, has it changed location?12:02
sobersabrethis happened after upgrading to gutsy. how can I restore this function ?12:03
timstokmanor can I just add it to my /etc/?12:06
gnomefreaksobersabre: do you have sound?12:06
gnomefreakit may not have .conf normally it will be listed wpa_.... than inside there there might be the conf file12:07
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gnomefreaki dont use it so i never looked but its that way with most apps12:08
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DM|jerpes i found out why12:09
DM|jerpes i had cairo libs in /local12:09
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timstokmanis there anyone who can tell me where I can find the wpa_supplicant.conf file? it is not in my /etc12:10
ugaguys, somebody added a x64 wine pack?12:10
ugaapt-get is installing it somehow12:11
ugaand I can't understand how12:11
r3m0tHello! I would like help getting my sound working. Pressing "Test" in "Pref>Sound>Devices" gives this error: audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Internal data flow error.12:11
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gnomefreakubuntu.com is going down for around 5 minutes12:12
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XeroNo no no no no!12:13
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ugawow, please congratulate the package manager that created the wine package for x6412:16
ugawhoever he is12:16
ugahe saved me quite some time!12:16
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sobersabregnomefreak: sorry, I am reading news :) sound works ok, keys respond, and are written int "shortcut list"12:23
sobersabreso sound works, the keys work, but no visual feedback is displayed on the monitor.12:24
gnomefreaksobersabre: that might be normal i dont ever remember seeing visual12:27
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ubotuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases12:29
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timsevesHas any one tried booting the Gutsy LiveCD over PXE?  I've succeded in getting the client machine to boot, load the kernel, mount the nfs root and load GDM12:31
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timsevesbut I cannot login12:31
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sobersabregnomefreak: I do remember having a semi-transparent square with a speaker image, and a progress bar displayed, very similar to Mac OSX's OSD.12:39
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jscinozHey guys, is there somewhere i can see a full list of VGA modes i can set in /boot/grub/menu.lst12:44
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riotkittiei get the volume visual :D12:45
_siddriotkittie: does it still work for "Mute"?12:47
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riotkittie_sidd: yes12:48
_siddriotkittie: Mine doesn't :( (since the recent updates)12:48
riotkittieah. :(12:49
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gnomefreakits new atleast12:56
hydrogenthat is new12:56
gnomefreakgnomefreak@Gutsy:~/Music$ cd12:56
gnomefreakthan goes into traceback12:56
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sobersabregnomefreak: which filesystem is ~/Music ?12:59
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|neon|is there a channel for k9copy? thx01:01
gnomefreaksobersabre: ~/(home)Music(Music01:01
gnomefreak|neon|: not that i know of if its a kde app try kde01:01
|neon|gnomefreak: thx01:01
jscinozHey guys, i read somewhere that the VGA mode for 1280x800@32bit is 858, is this correct? i have it set as such but if i switch to one of the virtual consoles i just get a black screen01:02
sobersabregnomefreak: what filesystem is this ?01:02
gnomefreakext3 even01:02
gnomefreak|neon|: yw01:02
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gnomefreaksorry talking to developer about the crash01:03
sobersabregnomefreak, I don't understand who prints out the traceback ?01:03
gnomefreaksobersabre: command-not-found is an app01:03
gnomefreakit crashed01:03
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|neon|one last ?    i am using gutsy and my transfer rates into my gutsy box are about 6 megs while going out to my file server are about 30 meg any other computer i have gets about 30 both ways any way to speed up things a bit , i checked and my lan speed is 1g at least ethtool says that and my router also says that any suggestions01:04
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riotkittiesomeone should take compiz away from me. quickly. :|01:05
gnomefreak|neon|: you might be taking your speed a bit too litterly01:05
|neon|riotkittie: compiz working great on my 8800 gts01:05
gnomefreak|neon|: you know what you ISP gives you is never what you can use and im not sure but sounds like your comparing upload to download speeds01:06
gnomefreakand upload average == 1/2 download speed01:06
riotkittiei wish my up was 50% of my down :<01:07
|neon|gnomefreak: i am talking internal lan i have 5 computers connected using a dual opty running clarkconnect i'm not talking about internet spped01:07
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gnomefreak|neon|: ah01:07
|neon|gnomefreak: and you are right about isp's comcast blows01:08
tux_flhi all i have used feisty and dhcp ok, now on gutsy it is using link-local addressing Arrrgh  Why??01:08
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gnomefreaktux_fl: improvment i would think, hit if that is your only problem wouldnt worry too much, tux_fl best way to find that out is to file a bug01:09
gnomefreaktux_fl: that is something very few people know why01:09
gnomefreakand the one person i know that would is sleeping or atleast better be01:10
tux_flah, i just added my netwok to route table and all ok01:10
tux_flno worries ;)01:10
tux_flthanks all.01:10
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aLeSDhi .. i had to edit my xorg.conf by myself but now it works01:16
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aLeSD... I'm using nvidia driver I activated the 3d effects ... but I can't see the cube01:16
aLeSDhow to have it ?01:16
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aLeSDI can't find a fusion-beril configuration option in the administration menu01:17
r3m0tdoes anybody know of an app to monitor network transfer through an interface, preferably command-line or GTK+, that totals up your daily/monthly usage?01:18
r3m0toh, I thought it was (just) a firewall01:19
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timstokmanhey, could someone check if they have a /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf file in their gutsy install? I think it should be there, it was there in feisty, but it could have been moved01:19

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