[12:48] bryce: bug 147676 ... could this be done properly? [12:48] Launchpad bug 147676 in imwheel "Any Logitech mouse buttons does NOT work in FireFox LTSP xorg gpm imwheel yelp icedove iceweasel" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147676 === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D86F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === frostburn [n=archlich@cpe-74-74-219-225.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lifeless [n=robertc@ppp245-86.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jvw [i=jeroen@220pc220.sshunet.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] asac, thanks I'll take a look === tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [01:24] man, that bugreport is CRAP :p [01:25] "Any Logitech mouse buttons does NOT work in FireFox xorg gpm imwheel yelp icedove iceweasel etc." [01:25] first of all this is not even a sentence [01:25] and even if it was, it's quite long for a subject line :) [01:25] 2nd of all the guy is just throwing a whole bunch of unrelated program names together and expects that to be a valid bugreport [01:26] that is totally a sentence [01:26] firefox/xorg/gpm/imwheel ok [01:26] but the rest? [01:26] you just need to learn Engrish better :) [01:27] he's confusing consumers apps (like firefox, icedove, iceweasel and yelp) with daemons or servers (xorg, gpm, imwheel) [01:28] *and* I don't think we support gpm + X config? [01:28] do we? [01:28] i i just like how firefox is listed N times === d33p__ [n=d33p@129.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] i didn't realize that imwheel still existed [01:29] gpm probably is supported [01:29] it's deprecated IMHO [01:29] i don't know what it has to do with X though [01:29] asac: generally I've been holding off on doing much work on improving input stuff, since with Hardy when we go to xserver 1.4, we should be able to take advantage of input hotplug and avoid all these configuration tweaks [01:29] dobey: you have to correctly set your mouse type in order for gpm to work [01:29] If you want cut and paste on the console, it's kind of important [01:29] Chipzz: you have to correctly set your mouse type for X to work [01:29] :) [01:29] dobey: No, the kernel does most of that now [01:29] mjg59: I *know* what gpm is :) I have used it for errr, over 7 years :) [01:30] Chipzz: I wasn't talking to you [01:30] mjg59: the kernel deals with mouse buttons and ZAxisMapping in xorg.conf? [01:30] It depends what level you're looking at [01:30] or X is smarter about dealing with it now? [01:30] bryce: ok, please drop a note in bug and set to won'tfix?? ... maybe verify if the bugs he mentions are of the same class and will be gone with 1.4 was well. Thanks! [01:30] It abstracts away the mouse protocol stuff that used to be required in X [01:31] so X is smarter about it [01:31] I believe that the ZAxis stuff is still required, though [01:31] asac, will do. Think I'll try to dupe some of these while I'm at it, if they are indeed dupes [01:31] you still have to tell it what buttons are scroll/etc... i think [01:31] No, now the kernel recodes everything to look like the Microsoft extended protocol [01:31] bryce: if there are others with a firefox target, feel free to invalidate them ;) [01:31] But yeah. It's not practical to programmatically determine which buttons are which under certain cricumstances [01:31] 4 and 5 will always be the wheel, but 6 and 7 might be side buttons or a horizontal wheel [01:32] asac, okie [01:33] ;) === Adri2000 [n=adri2000@ubuntu/member/adri2000] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-093-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] bryce: when will hardy have xorg 1.4? soon after opening or late in the cycle? [01:50] soon after opening === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:50] btw [01:50] are serial mice autodetectable? [01:50] once the tree opens I'll make that my top priority [01:51] serial mice or getting xorg 1.4 in hardy? 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[02:41] Launchpad bug 123425 in ubiquity "[gutsy] Passwords intead of Full Names" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123425 === zerbero__2 [n=jga@pD9E63D64.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ScottK2 [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddelll [i=jr@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mez [n=mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-devel === emdash [i=dotsony@estrella.triplehelix.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.82.45.179] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex116 [n=Alex@vpn-3005.gwdg.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex116 [n=Alex@vpn-3005.gwdg.de] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === eggauah [n=daniel@201.82.45.179] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] lamont: bug #63175 - eww, do we really still have issues with timezones and fsck? [02:57] Launchpad bug 63175 in e2fsprogs "fsck on every (re)boot" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/63175 === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mdomsch [n=mdomsch@cpe-70-124-62-55.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:10] slangasek: at least we don't leave New Zealand in the wrong timezone because "tzdata is not a security issue" ;) [03:11] mneptok: bah. new zealand. are you telling me that they're whining for gettign australia's eastern timezone? [03:12] Hobbsee: no, Debian won't push the new daylight savings tzdata to Etch as it's not a security issue [03:12] mneptok: you might be well advised to not get your information about Debian from Slashdot [03:13] but mneptok lives for slashdot! [03:14] Like Slashdot would talk about Debian - it doesn't happen within 3 blocks of CmdrTaco's house [03:15] slangasek: it's still an issue that's unaddressed until a point release instead of a rolling update. which seems silly. [03:15] slangasek: it's tzdata. we push this stuff out every week. why does Debian need to wait for a point release? [03:15] mneptok: anyway, I don't think this is a conversation you want to have with me; I don't think much of governments who make changes to their timezones with less than a year's notice, because regardless of whether Debian happens to be able to accomodate them, such changes are expensive for the IT industry and serve no purpose. [03:16] mneptok: so you're arguing that it should be pushed out as a "security" release when it's not security related? [03:16] slangasek: i agree. but pouting and refusing to make life easier for users isn't helping. what's done is done, for good or ill. address it. [03:16] mneptok: this would be the part where you're getting your information from Slashdot... [03:17] slangasek: i'm saying it doesn't need to be either/or [03:17] slangasek: the fact that others have coped is ample evidence of this. [03:18] there are four update channels available for fixes to Debian stable. security.d.o, volatile.d.o, proposed-updates, and point releases. The tzdata fix is *already available* in two of these, is targetted for a third but can't be made available yet for practical reasons, and doesn't belong in the fourth [03:18] slangasek: but i can understand why production server admins might be put off by "volatile" [03:19] mneptok: proposed-updates contains only those changes which have been accepted by the Debian stable release managers for the next point release; from etch forward, production server admins can reasonably make use of p-u === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:21] i don't see it in p-u [03:21] it's definitely there. [03:23] http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/proposed-updates/tzdata_2007f-1etch1_amd64.changes [03:23] august 17 === cypher1 [n=cypher1@pool-71-187-249-82.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:25] wait, no, July 31 [03:26] we con get a release done in the time it takes Debian to fix a timezone. :P [03:27] ah, the tzdata fun [03:28] slangasek: don't worry, we don't think much of our government either [03:29] Hah === bddebian loves Australia's government :-) === fixed [n=sig@unaffiliated/fixed] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:33] bddebian: Why? And, ajmitch's quip was pointed at New Zealand's government. [03:33] I know :-) [03:34] Because Howard (I belive his name is?) is like Hey, it's Australia, love it or leave it. :-) [03:35] Yes, (John) Howard. [03:35] Not the actor :) [03:36] isn't that sorta antithetical to a penal colony? i mean, prisoners choosing to leave? [03:37] mneptok: even prisons have standards === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:38] lifeless: explains my rejected visa application :/ [03:38] mneptok: I thought you were usian? [03:40] lifeless: the UN has asked that all nations require a visa in my case. they ... just want to be sure. [03:40] I'd have though a GPS ankle collar would be safere [03:40] he never said that he didnt have one of them either, though [03:40] he didn't have one last time I saw him [03:41] lifeless: it's a genital cuff [03:41] who said it was on his ankle? if it was on his ankle, it coudl be cut off... === mode/#ubuntu-devel [+o mneptok] by ChanServ === mneptok was kicked off #ubuntu-devel by mneptok (nasty, dude) === mneptok [n=mneptok@canonical/support/mneptok] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:41] Hobbsee: it can still be cut off [03:41] with the added benefit of no-breeding [03:41] lifeless: good point. [03:42] lifeless: now you sound like my girlfriend === Hobbsee was intending her statement *before* mneptok's, incidently. damn uni lag. === bddebian knows that StevenK wants to help him with his brightside issue :) [03:42] Unilag would be a great name for a Cisco competitor [03:42] mneptok: sensible lady:) [03:42] mneptok: heh [03:43] bddebian: Do I? I don't think I do. [03:43] lifeless: although insane. being with mneptok, and all. [03:43] Hobbsee: there may be coercion involved. [03:43] StevenK: Suure you do :-) [03:43] lifeless: you may meet her at/around/adjoining All-Hands [03:43] Hobbsee: we should organise a rescue party [03:44] lifeless: indeed. [03:44] mneptok: somehow I'm amazed you didn't make that statement dirty. 'seeing her around all-hands' is just ripe for suggestive deviation [03:45] lifeless: after Hobbsee's comment this weekend i had to turn off those receptors. there was danger of circuit overload. === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:47] lifeless: he wished to live, methinks. === cypher1 is away: I'm busy === cypher1 is back (gone 00:00:40) [03:50] !away | cypher1 [03:50] cypher1: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away " to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines === fcestrada [n=fcestrad@189.141.233.100] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.82.45.179] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.82.45.179] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === migma [n=migma@unaffiliated/migma] has joined #Ubuntu-devel [04:24] I am somehow missing how restarting NetworkManager can cause my keyboard to cease working. [04:24] Just not seeing the link. === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S010600902754713b.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.82.45.179] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nrdb [n=neil@98.140.240.220.dynamic.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === eggauah [n=daniel@201.82.45.179] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-137-105-82.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === EvanCarroll_home [n=Evan@tera-24-206-153-169.kw.tx.cebridge.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:33] is anyone else having a problem with amd64 and nvidia with newest patch? [04:33] gutsy* === frostburn [n=archlich@cpe-74-74-219-225.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:34] EvanCarroll_home: you probably wanted #ubuntu+1? [04:34] Should glade files be in a binary package or data package? [04:34] seems as if volatile/nvidia.ko, was renamed to volatile/new_nvidia.ko, without symlink [04:34] Hobbsee: yes, i forgot about that chan === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D86F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tonyy [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MuNzE [n=miki@81.18.61.55] has joined #ubuntu-devel === defcon [n=ion@70-59-228-74.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Whoopie [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:06] paran: Dunno if you noticed yet or not, but your gnupg fix got uploaded today. Thanks for the heads up. [05:10] I have created a unionfs in initrd of the from the what was the root and another rw partition. I have checked the unionfs and it appears ok. The problem is that when I boot it seems to get stuck in a loop using 100% CPU and never actually boots, any ideas on how to find out what the problem is ? === joebaker [n=joebaker@rrcs-67-52-198-66.west.biz.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === ArneGoet1e is now known as ArneGoetje === frostburn [n=archlich@cpe-74-74-219-225.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:22] slangasek: fsck/timezone issues are fixed in -6ubuntu1 [05:22] maybe [05:23] slangasek: see https://bugs.debian.org/443487 [05:24] or http maybe :) [05:24] yeah - that [05:24] that's what I get for adding $mumble:// at the front [05:24] :-( [05:25] note the small amount of grumbling from the submitter. also note who he is [05:25] so ok, it should be fixed in util-linux and this bug should be reassigned to there? [05:28] yes [05:28] and note that fixing it requires adding an installer question... [05:28] so I'll leave that to TPTB [05:33] slangasek: the only outstanding issue is if you have BIOS=localtime (presumably because you dual-boot), and live east of greenwich === holymoo [n=start@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian2 [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:04] lamont: you've lost me; why is an additional installer question needed? === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.11.81.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:13] either "what time zone are you in" or "is time UTC or local" or some such. [06:14] I really have no clue - just know that ted was grumbling === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:22] slangasek: feel free to look at util-linux_2.13-8 in debian (just uploaded now). if there's anything that we want for -6ubuntu2 (or if we want to do -8ubuntu1) say so: I don't think there's anything so pressing as to justify hitting gutsy now. [06:23] hrm.. still uploading.... === dcode [n=dcode@r02dpdm85.desktop.umr.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:28] I want to build packages for amd64 from an unofficial repository that provide the original sources and patches, but only i386 binaries...when I do apt-get -b source foo, it downloads the version in the official repository...how do I fix this? Do I need to pin the packages? === j_ack [n=j_ack@p508D86F2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:29] dcode: apt-get source foo=1.2.3-1 is certainly an option [06:30] thanks, lamont [06:30] there's just so many way to use apt....I find new stuff all the time [06:42] with vmware and 7.04 the message "BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!" means ? [06:53] slangasek: ok to upload a new discover-data (bug #133385)? [06:53] Launchpad bug 133385 in discover-data "[gutsy] "nv" is not new enough to support my chipset (Quadro FX 570M)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/133385 [06:54] it's not new upstream, but adds a number of nvidia pci-id's that the current driver supports (also some that the previous 2.1.x supported, but were missing) [06:55] debdiff attached [07:07] lamont: I'm confused, isn't gutsy already asking for the time on install? [07:08] slangasek: dunno - like I said, I haven't paid any attention to that part of the issue.... [07:09] if we do, then it might make sense to bring back hwclockfirst.sh here too, OTOH, ISTR that comes from the rtc module getting loaded via udev rules now. === jamesh_ [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:10] slangasek: I've pretty much ignored hwclock.sh issues in ubuntu and let keybuk lead on that, since he did the udev conversion [07:10] of course, the big diff is that ubuntu requires udev (or seems to?), while debian avoids depending on it. [07:11] slangasek: and I wasn't in on the ted/whomever discussion that ted alludes to. [07:12] hrm... eject spits the CD tray out... is there a command to pull it back in? === m1ke [n=mike@c-67-186-85-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:13] slangasek: I'll break out a livecd and check tomorrow. [07:14] and maybe poke keybuk et al here on the issue once I have more knowledge [07:14] lamont: Try eject -t to pull the tray back in [07:14] StevenK: cool [07:15] I'll do that later - drives are kinda busy atm [07:22] tepsipakki: discover-data, looks fine === lamont wonders if he can do a couple of no-change uploads (db4.5 and ncurses, to be specific) [07:25] If someone is looking into TZ and the installer, it'd be really nice to be able to use UTC after you admit to being in North America. === nags [n=nags@122.167.157.83] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:28] ScottK: you mean you can't say NorthAmerica/UTC? [07:28] lamont: First it asks you where you are and then gives you a list of applicable TZ. [07:29] It doesn't consider UTC in North America. [07:29] This is D-I and a server install. [07:29] It's just not on the list. [07:31] feh. db4.5 is blocking python2.5 === lamont checks the rest of the packages he cares about tonight [07:34] you can specify that the system clock is in UTC [07:36] slangasek: but not that the local TZ is NorthAmerica/UTC [07:36] correct === maikmerten [n=chatzill@ls5appsrv05.cs.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zic [n=Zic@ubuntu/member/zic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:52] slangasek: thanks [07:53] heya tepsipakki === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:54] hi bryce === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F74E8B.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:55] good morning === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:57] hi dholbach [07:57] hey Hobbsee === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:02] Good morning [08:03] mdke: do you plan to sync with gnome-user-docs 2.20.0 again? [08:03] morning pitti! [08:03] hey Hobbsee, good morning [08:04] pitti: i discovered the morning today. it wasnt good. [08:04] If mornings really exist, why are there only 12 hours on a clock... === Chipzz denies the existence of mornings :P [08:05] they're extremely late evenings, at best [08:05] heh [08:05] Chipzz: Heh === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable212.211-70-69.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:18] moin [08:19] hiya === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:22] pitti: Oh, libevolution2.0-cil can be NBS'd out if you haven't already done it. [08:23] StevenK: ah, doing [08:23] pitti: Danke [08:23] StevenK: I also ponder killing the other libs now, and thus break sear and silky [08:24] pitti: silky can die as far as I'm concerned. Upstream is dead, and getting it work with the new SILC looks to be a shedload of work. However, there is a bug about silky, so someone could be working on it. [08:25] swoosh, killed them all; we should not ship gutsy with NBS packages [08:25] pitti: sear on the other hand is known about, and I keep bugging man-di in -motu in terms of where it's up to. He is fighting with the Debian maintainer, last I heard. [08:28] pitti: Agreed. [08:35] NBS? [08:35] Not Built from Source [08:36] Well.. [08:37] How can you NBS something? [08:37] Okay, so you have a library package - libfoo, that builds libfoo1. [08:37] Uhuh. [08:38] libfoo's upstream releases a new version that bumps the SOVER, so now you build libfoo2. [08:38] Uhuh. [08:39] The binary packages still exist in the archive, and shouldn't be removed until nothing depends on it. [08:39] Yes... [08:39] The binary package libfoo1, that is [08:39] Let me rephrase.. [08:39] When you tell pitti that a package can be "NBS'd out", what does he then do? [08:39] soren: I remove it from the archive [08:40] soren: we should not release gutsy with pacakges which are not built by any source, since that makes them unmaintainable [08:40] Oh... [08:40] Sure, sure. [08:40] I get it now. [08:40] but it does not happen automatically, since with library soname changes, that would break hard [08:41] doko_: would it be ok, if you took a look at bug 139928? [08:41] Launchpad bug 139928 in cpio "[gutsy] cpio segs on bad input" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139928 [08:41] So "NBS a package out" doesn't mean "make it not build from source", but "remove it because it's already not built from any source". YEs, that makes perfect sense :) [08:41] pitti: Sure. [08:42] pitti: I'll hunt down that silky bug and comment on it when I'm on a link that isn't so dreadful. [08:43] Riddelll: bug 136425, bug 121872? [08:43] Launchpad bug 136425 in qt4-x11 "qtconfig-qt4 in Accessories?" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/136425 [08:43] Launchpad bug 121872 in qt4-x11 "*-qt4 tools should be present in $QTDIR/bin" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121872 [08:43] calc: bug 135086? [08:43] Launchpad bug 135086 in unzip "zipgrep: exit code always 0" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/135086 === rluberti [n=rluberti@212.45.155.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rluberti [n=rluberti@212.45.155.238] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:55] dholbach: what's the policy you've been using for accepting or not accepting people for the telepathy team? [08:56] Mithrandir: none [08:56] dholbach: as in, just accept everybody? [08:56] Mithrandir: I directly subscribed them to the mailing list too :) [08:57] asac: around? Wanted to ask you about NM/wpasupplicant integration [08:58] StevenK: Did you ever figure out why the dpkg output in gutsy sbuilders was in all upper case? [08:59] soren: Oooh, you're seeing that too? [08:59] soren: Nope. Mainly because I've not looked yet. [08:59] RAOF: Me three. [08:59] StevenK: Same here. :) [09:00] Between the three of us we should be able to sort it out. :-) [09:01] :) === RAOF leaves for a dinner, so will be unavailable for fix-o-rama. === freeflying [n=freeflyi@61.190.64.118] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:02] StevenK: Do you save your build logs from sbuild? Could you check when it happened to you the first time? === ssam [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] soren: I do. And what do you mean, the first time? [09:03] dholbach: yes, I updated our branch from upstream trunk on sunday, if possible we could do another upload, yes [09:03] StevenK: Has your sbuilder *always* done it? === Zdra [n=zdra@230.218-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:03] soren: Ah, no. === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] \sh_away: did you have a chance to test the fix for bug 103291? [09:04] Launchpad bug 103291 in lilo-installer "lilo-installer fails on HP (Compaq) SmartArray controllers (/dev/cciss)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103291 === frostburn [n=archlich@cpe-74-74-219-225.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:05] mdke: I'll look into it later === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-213-76.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:06] soren: Right, the first log I have with the upper-casing is courier_0.56.0-2ubuntu1_20070917-2341 [09:07] StevenK: So mid-september-ish? [09:07] Looks like it. [09:08] mdke: I'll update the version number [09:08] I think the next step is to compare base tool versions between that log and the previous. [09:08] dholbach: thanks. We haven't made any other changes except synching with upstream; which was a couple of extra translations, and upstream applying one of our patches [09:09] mdke: great [09:09] mdke: next time please update debian/changelog :-) [09:09] it's just a matter of dch -i; debcommit :-) === dholbach shuts up now :) [09:09] dholbach: yes, I would have done, sorry [09:10] StevenK: Interesting. You had schroot 1.1.5-1.1 synced on September 13th :) === dholbach hugs mdke [09:10] :) === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-10-48.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ant30 [n=aperezar@38.Red-80-36-82.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:15] mdke: pushed changes to my branch [09:15] hey thekorn [09:16] hi dholbach [09:19] mdke: uploading package... [09:22] dholbach: thanks very much. for ubuntu-docs I'll be adding translations during this week... we are going to have to be careful with the package size when that happens... I'll ping you early next week if that is ok? [09:22] mdke: alrightie, you can also file a sponsoring bug, that's fine too [09:23] ok [09:26] \sh: good morning [09:27] <\sh> pitti, hey...good morning...:) [09:28] Guten Morgen \sh, pitti [09:28] hi geser === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.238.197] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] soren: Hmmm. [09:41] StevenK: Hm, indeed. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === MacSlow [n=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabiux [n=fabiux@212.45.155.125] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:45] soren: But schroot isn't installed inside the chroot, and my base machine is Feisty [09:46] StevenK: Oh. === twb [n=twb@nat20.cyber.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] What is dh_iconcache, why is it undocumented and why is it in Ubuntu's debhelper and not Debian's? [09:50] twb: it is the old name of dh_icons [09:50] twb: we had it first, Debian used a different name, so it's just a backwards compatibilty shim nowadays [09:51] I can replace it 100% with dh_icons in this package I'm re-building under Debian? === sladen_ [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:51] twb: given that dh_iconcache just does system("dh_icons @ARGV");, I'd say yes [09:52] OK, thank you. [09:52] everything should use dh_icons [09:52] The package in question is vmware-server 1.0.3, from feisty-commercial. [09:53] twb: oh ok, I think in feisty we still had dh_iconcache - let me check [09:53] I would've used gutsy, but it has no -commercial yet. [09:54] yes, feisty still has dh_iconcache :-/ [09:54] I think somebody is working on setting up gutsy-commercial [09:55] I hate non-Free software. It's nothing but a PITA. [09:55] -commercial isn't listed on packages.u.c either, which confused me for days. [09:57] isn't it called something else nowadays? [09:59] cjwatson: is it possible to get user-setup-apply to set a completely blank password? [10:10] twb: it's being changed to "partner", but that doesn't exist yet === mvo [n=egon@p54A66FA4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:12] Is the apport retracer for i386 running? [10:12] TheMuso: seems it got stuck, I restarted it [10:13] hey mvo [10:13] TheMuso: thanks [10:13] hey mvo [10:13] pitti: Thank you. [10:13] hey dholbach, pitti! === twb [n=twb@nat20.cyber.com.au] has left #ubuntu-devel ["rcirc] === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:17] hey seb128 [10:17] hello dholbach [10:17] hey seb128 [10:17] hello mvo [10:17] morning guys [10:17] :) [10:18] simira! === simira runs to school === dexem [n=dani@220.Red-83-52-31.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] hey simira === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F7061A.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RicardoPerez [n=A@84.122.158.204.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] pitti: ping [10:25] hi RicardoPerez === chand [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:25] pitti: hi! i have a problem with the openoffice.org menu entries... i'm talking with carlos, and he told me to talk with you [10:27] pitti: the menu entries shows untranslated in my Spanish desktop [10:27] pitti: i have the ooo-build.mo file with the translations [10:28] RicardoPerez: the bubble help is untranslated, too? [10:28] pitti: and I've add a line containing 'X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=ooo-build' in the .desktop files [10:28] pitti: the bubble IS translated [10:28] pitti: but the menu entries isn't [10:28] aren't [10:28] doko: where was the page that listed ubuntu-specific packaging decisions? [10:29] right, same here [10:29] RicardoPerez: it seems that they consider "OO.o writer" as a proper noun and thus do not translate it [10:29] dholbach: UbuntuPackagingChanges === elkbuntu [n=melissa@ubuntu/member/elkbuntu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:30] RicardoPerez: e. g. I never saw MS "Word" or "Excel" getting translated [10:30] doko: thanks [10:30] RicardoPerez: (except in jokes :) ) [10:30] RicardoPerez: the desktop file does have some Arabic translations, etc., though [10:30] pitti: oh, that's right, but the menu entries doesn't must be "OpenOffice.org Writer", but "OpenOffice.org Word processor" [10:31] hm, no, that's just the GenericName [10:31] pitti: "OpenOffice.org Word processor" => "OpenOffice.org Procesador de textos" (in spanish) [10:31] pitti: oh [10:31] RicardoPerez: we do not show this by defautl [10:31] pitti: but shows in that way in Feisty [10:31] pitti: in Feisty, it shows "OpenOffice.org Procesador de textos" [10:32] hmm [10:32] pitti: and not "OpenOffice.org Writer" [10:32] seb128: did we change anything wrt. the display of GenericName in menus? [10:32] The openoffice menu item are translated on my gutsy [10:32] pitti: GenericName is not used by GNOME [10:32] it uses Name= for the item [10:32] that's what I thought, too [10:32] and Comment= for the tooltip on mouseover [10:33] and that has always been the case [10:33] seb128: the problem is that it's not using the .mo files [10:33] right, but that's something entirely different [10:33] and even adding the translation domain [10:33] (oo.o needs to add X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain:) [10:33] the entries are still untranslated === marcel [n=marcel@wc-50.r-195-35-150.atwork.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] pitti: we added it by hand === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:33] restarted the session and still the same problem [10:33] carlos: me too, without luck [10:34] RicardoPerez: we == you and me ;-) [10:34] carlos: do you have the correct .mo file installed? [10:34] carlos: and the .mo has the translations? [10:34] carlos: sorry :) [10:34] works fine in french so I don't think the system is b0rked [10:34] seb128: RicardoPerez said that we do [10:34] I didn't check it [10:34] k, I think you don't [10:34] seb128: I have the .mo file [10:35] seb128: well, I doubt you are using the same unless you added the translation domain too [10:35] seb128: and strings ooo-build.mo shows translated strings [10:35] seb128: there is a bug with the package that is not adding the translation domain to the .desktop file [10:35] carlos: it works for other menu items, didn't try openoffice but the panel has no reason to behave differently for it [10:35] seb128: so you use the translations inside the .desktop file [10:35] carlos: however, since OO.o does not use gettext, it does not have an obvious place where to put them [10:35] seb128: yeah, I know, that's why I was so confused [10:35] pitti: it does [10:35] ooo-build === Le-Chuck_ITA [n=Le-Chuck@host45-85-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:36] pitti: we had a template specific for it and it's included in language packs [10:36] carlos: oo-build.mo doesn't contain the menu item strings there [10:36] $ msgunfmt /usr/share/locale-langpack/en_GB/LC_MESSAGES/ooo-build.mo | grep Writer [10:36] $ [10:36] ah, indeed [10:37] seb128: It isn't Writer, but Word Processor === fixed [n=sig@unaffiliated/fixed] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:37] hmm [10:37] indeed [10:37] RicardoPerez: but the .desktop uses Writer [10:37] carlos: not in Feisty... [10:38] RicardoPerez: aren't you using Gutsy? [10:38] carlos: I don't know if this is intentional [10:38] carlos: so, calc should add the X-U-G-D: field [10:38] carlos: yes, I'm in gutsy [10:38] RicardoPerez: then, why do you mention Feisty? [10:39] carlos: because in Feisty shows "OpenOffice.org Word Processor" (in English) and in Gutsy shows "OpenOffice.org Writer" [10:39] Mithrandir: sure, casper does it, look at scripts/casper/10adduser [10:39] Hi there, I just tried to install openssh on feisty from main archive (ubuntu.com) and it said it was _not_ authenticated, while taking it from an italian mirror went fine! [10:39] pitti: yeah, I just got confused because the translations were not appearing and it was weird because it works for others (as seb128 already noted) [10:39] lamont: it's just the "is your clock in UTC" question that we haven't wedged into ubiquity yet [10:39] RicardoPerez: that just means that the different packages use different strings [10:39] Le-Chuck_ITA: sometimes happens transiently due to minor glitches; wait an hour and 'sudo apt-get update' again [10:39] carlos: works fine for me [10:40] carlos: I did that [10:40] carlos: mmmmm.... i'm confused [10:40] ok so if you're not worried about that I've done my job :) [10:40] - edit /usr/share/applications/ooo-writer.desktop, change the french translation [10:40] carlos: ooo-build didn't change from feisty to gutsy... contains the same strings [10:40] - add X-Ubuntu-Gettext-Domain=ooo-build to it [10:40] - sudo touch /usr/share/applications/ooo-writer.desktop, [10:40] RicardoPerez: which is the problem you are having [10:40]