[12:58] <nixternal> Riddell: yes, I am going to eat really quick and then I will rock it out
[02:01] <nixternal> Riddell: posted that article, sitting in the queue
[02:02] <jjesse> evening
[02:02] <jjesse> morning Jucato
[02:02] <Jucato> oooh hi jjesse! good evneing! :)
[02:02] <Jucato> ugh! can't spell :P
[02:12] <jjesse> so how are things today/tonight?
[02:13] <Jucato> dark...
[02:13] <jjesse> to early for the sun?
[02:13] <Jucato> nope. storm brewing
[02:13] <jjesse> oh fun i like storms
[02:14] <Jucato> would be if it didn't mean power interruptions or strong lightning that could potentially fry the computer :/
[02:15] <jjesse> yeah frying the computer would suck
[02:15] <Jucato> frying my *only* computer would suck like vista :(
[02:21] <nixternal> gotta watch some tv...back in a bit
[02:21] <nixternal> we are getting ready to get storms here too
[02:24] <jjesse> sounds like fun
[02:24] <jjesse> nice and warm and dry in columbus ohio
[05:10] <bobbobbob> http://www.thisjobsucked.com
[05:10] <bobbobbob> has anyone seen this site
[05:11] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Can I get a courtesy ban?
[05:11] <Jucato> huh?
[05:12] <stdin> bobbobbob ?
[05:12] <stdin> (that wan't even copy and paste :)
[05:13] <stdin> s/limited/feeble/ :p
[05:13] <Jucato> that to
[05:13] <Jucato> too
[05:13] <nixternal> ahh, he is a gentotard
[05:13] <nixternal> or sabayon at that
[05:13] <nixternal> hrmm, I don't even have oppage here :(
[05:13] <Jucato> ditto
[05:13] <Jucato> or anywhere at all, except #kubuntu
[05:14] <nixternal> ya, I just have the main chans as well
[05:14] <Jucato> at least you have other channels :)
[05:14] <DaSkreech> Oh
[05:14] <stdin> heh, only 6 people have super cow powers in here
[05:14] <Jucato> which is fine.. I don't go there at all
[05:14] <DaSkreech>  haha i thought this was #kubuntu My bad
[05:14] <nixternal> lol
[05:14] <stdin> DaSkreech: even #kubuntu isn't this quiet (mostly)
[05:16] <DaSkreech> Yeah I was amazed at the audaciy of a spammer to take advantage of a lull in #kubuntu
[05:16] <Jucato> so far he hasn't committed anything criminal in #k yet.
[05:38] <Jucato> victory!!
[05:38] <Jucato> er.. viKtory!
[05:40] <ScottK> Well until he types ipconfig /renew all and gets a new IP address from his ISP.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> ScottK: chuga chuga chuga chuga....CHOO CHOO!!!!!
[05:41] <Hobbsee> that's easy to fix.
[05:41] <ScottK> I'm actually quite suprised that banning by IP works as well as it does.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> Jucato: poke nalioth when he tries again
[05:49] <Jucato> okie dokie
[07:30] <Hobbsee> has anyone done some ugprade testing yet?
[07:30] <Jucato> I did... once.. took 24 hours :)
[07:30] <Jucato> did that over the weekend
[07:30] <Jucato> crashed on gs-esp... had to continue through apt-get with --install-recommends of course
[07:31] <Jucato> for some reason, it held back digikam. I removed it, then reinstalled kubuntu-desktop, and all was well again
[07:31] <Hobbsee> odd?
[07:32] <Jucato> but that was saturday...
[07:33] <Jucato> I might try again on a fresh feisty install tomorrow or some time I'm not too busy goofing around :)
[07:33] <Hobbsee> bah.  cant yet
[07:33] <Hobbsee> cant upgrade off his
[07:34] <Jucato> :P
[07:35] <Hobbsee> it seems that we release in ~15 days
[07:35] <Hobbsee> which is really quite scary
[07:36] <Jucato> we haven't even decided over strigi yet
[07:36] <Jucato> yeah scary...
[07:36] <Hobbsee> we need to call a meeting.
[07:36] <Hobbsee> and we need to poke manchicken on adept
[07:37] <Jucato> tbh, all of Ubuntu's popularity is kinda causing us to be put under a microscope a lot lately...
[07:37] <Hobbsee> yeah, people keep saying "kubuntu needs to do x, y, and z"
[07:37] <Jucato> and with PC-BSD, openSUSE, and Mandriva all released within weeks/days of each other...
[07:37] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:38] <Hobbsee> i'd like to try opensuse, actually
[07:38] <Hobbsee> although their installs are a pain
[07:38] <Jucato> me too... let's see if they finally deliver what they promised regarding package management
[07:38] <Jucato> and luckily this time I don't have to download 3 CD's/1 DVD :)
[07:38] <Jucato> there's a KDE-only 1 CD yay!
[07:39] <Hobbsee> yep
[07:39] <Hobbsee> yeah, it'd be interesting to see smart
[07:39] <Hobbsee> but i've got this sneaking suspicion that a lot will move to the new suse, if htey have
[07:39] <Jucato> oh haven't seen that yet. but smart has always been there since 10.0...
[07:39] <Hobbsee> and heck, why not?  if our current offerings are like this...
[07:39] <Jucato> nah... the MS shadow still looms over openSUSE...
[07:40] <Jucato> our (kubuntu's) current offerings?
[07:41] <Hobbsee> with the bugs and such
[07:41] <Hobbsee> and how late our stuff is, compared to ubuntu
[07:41] <Jucato> hm.. I have a sort of an idea.. but being not so technically knowledgeable, I don't know how feasible it really is...
[07:41] <Hobbsee> shoot
[07:42] <Jucato> since 8.04 will be an LTS, why don't we focus our next release on less new features and more fixing and stabilizing
[07:42] <Hobbsee> because as long as we're a community distro, as we are now (bar one paid person, and kees helping with security)...we're screwed in terms of people
[07:42] <Jucato> for example, stabilizing our upgrades from one release to another
[07:42] <Hobbsee> well, we'll grab 3.5.8, perhaps for gutsy, but likely for hardy.
[07:42] <Hobbsee> the bug problem is that it should all go upstream, but upstream arent tending to look at kde 3 bugs - especially when kde4 will be out.
[07:43] <Jucato> I mean each new release, we always have problems with upgrades...
[07:43] <Jucato> well sans the upstream bugs...
[07:43] <Hobbsee> sans the upstream bugs, and tehre arent much left
[07:43] <Jucato> hm. ok point taken :)
[07:43] <Hobbsee> also, hardy+1 we'll use kde4 by default, so will ditch all our patches - which contain the majority of our bugs.
[07:44] <Jucato> probably my main beef is the upgrade path... I honestly prefer new installs over upgrading....
[07:44] <Hobbsee> yeah, it would be good to fix that
[07:44] <Hobbsee> it's partly a testing problem
[07:44] <Jucato> and a place/channel to field these kinds of tests.. is #kubuntu-testers still open? at least the channel?
[07:45] <Hobbsee> i'm unsure if we tend to properly test upgrades at all - i know i didnt do the feisty ones
[07:45] <Hobbsee> yes, it's open, and vaguely alive
[07:45] <Jucato> coz I'm not sure where to send questions about upgrading to #ubuntu+1 from #kubuntu users
[07:45] <Hobbsee> well, first, i want to do a few upgrades here to check we dont still have file overwrites
[07:45] <Jucato> I mean, they are for #ubuntu+1, but how many Kubuntu-specific questions are answered there?
[07:45] <Hobbsee> which i suspect we do
[07:45] <Hobbsee> oh, a fair few
[07:46] <Jucato> oh yeah, there was also a problem with upgrading bluetooth and qobex had to be removed first before the upgrade can continue
[07:46] <Hobbsee> i fixed that one :)
[07:46] <Jucato> great :)
[07:46] <Hobbsee> but bluetooth is still a mess
[07:46] <Jucato> sometimes it sucks to be a community project when you're being compared to a well-funded bigger brother :(
[07:47] <Hobbsee> apparently the debian lot works, but they take our stuff, and rename it
[07:47] <Hobbsee> oh indeed - especially when they say that it's not the same.
[07:47] <Jucato> sometimes I'm beginning to think that some of the suggestions are right... that we somehow need to get out of Ubuntu's shadow more... :(
[07:47] <Jucato> but that's hardly possible/feasible
[07:48] <Hobbsee> we're tied to soyuz, and we're tied to canonical via Riddell.
[07:48] <Jucato> yeah...
[07:48] <Hobbsee> but our marketing could do with some help
[07:48] <Hobbsee> but we need to actually have the stuff there to market
[07:48] <Jucato> and people to do the marketing :(
[07:49] <Hobbsee> that too
[07:49] <Hobbsee> still, there's an open week coming soonish.
[07:49] <Jucato> ah I just remembered a question you had for coreymon before. and I thought I have an ida
[07:49] <Jucato> idea
[07:49] <Hobbsee> so for those on the other side of the world, it'll be a good idea to attract some people in
[07:49] <Hobbsee> shoot
[07:49] <Jucato> haha too many ideas today :P
[07:50] <Jucato> you asked him what we could do to improve #kubuntu support right?
[07:50] <Hobbsee> yes
[07:50] <Jucato> my answer is ironically to not focus too much on #kubuntu :)
[07:50] <Hobbsee> and say that anything non-de specific is in #ubuntu?
[07:50] <Jucato> but see that our other help resources are also well kept
[07:50] <Hobbsee> we could poitn people to #kde, i guess
[07:51] <Hobbsee> people dont read, though.
[07:51] <Jucato> well, not just on IRC
[07:51] <Jucato> yeah that's the point
[07:51] <Hobbsee> so, wiki cleanup, etc
[07:51] <stdin> the wiki needs some "kdeifiing"
[07:51] <Jucato> you see, we do lack some knowledgeable people in IRC, because there are knowledgeable people in other venues too
[07:51] <Jucato> we can't have them all here unfortunately
[07:52] <Jucato> yeah the wiki is one
[07:52] <Jucato> I can't recall if ubuntuforums has a KDE tag for easier searching...
[07:52] <stdin> i recall a kubuntuforums somewhere
[07:52] <Jucato> kubuntuforums is a good place too
[07:53] <Jucato> yeah I frequent there more than UF
[07:53] <Jucato> it's more representative of Kubuntu users than UF is obviously :)
[07:53] <Hobbsee> true
[07:54] <Hobbsee> i dont visit kf much, if at all
[07:54] <Jucato> don't worry. I have it under my nose all the time
[07:54] <Jucato> and I have some special plans for it soon...
[07:54] <Jucato> it has less traffic than UF... which could be a good thing in some ways :)
[07:55] <stdin> I don't tend to visit forums much any more, I sometimes have a look through LQ.org, but that's about it
[07:55] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:55] <Jucato> heh you should have met be before I became an IRC-maniac..
[07:55] <Jucato> I spent my day practically hitting the reload button :)
[07:55] <stdin> heh, I remember doing that
[07:55] <Jucato> for months? :)
[07:56] <stdin> my f5 key was wearing out
[07:56] <Hobbsee> 655 upgraded, 91 newly installed, 4 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[07:56] <Hobbsee> Need to get 511MB/523MB of archives.
[07:56] <Jucato> ubuntuforums was my first encounter with the community :)
[07:56] <Jucato> haha have fun!
[07:56] <Jucato> I had about 1000+ iirc
[07:56] <Hobbsee> ah yes, digikam is kept back
[07:57] <Hobbsee> this is just k-d and dependancies upgrading
[07:57] <Jucato> hehe
[07:57] <Jucato> oh speaking of k-d... I have a question...
[07:57] <Jucato> but it depends on apt-get install's default behavior
[07:57] <Hobbsee> shoot
[07:57] <Jucato> afaik, apt-get doesn't install recommends, only aptitude does
[07:58] <Jucato> so will our previous "install kubuntu-desktop" over Ubuntu not work properly anymore?
[07:58] <Hobbsee> k-d is in section: metapackages, so behaves like aptitude in that instance.
[07:58] <Jucato> we usually tell that to users, even in the factoid..
[07:58] <Jucato> ah ok
[07:59] <Hobbsee> Fetched 511MB in 60s (8510kB/s)
[07:59] <Jucato> but dist-upgrade must explicitly be told to --install-recommends right?
[07:59] <Hobbsee> it doesnt seem so
[07:59] <Hobbsee> or at least, this isnt.
[07:59] <Jucato> hm... it's fixed?
[07:59] <Hobbsee> check the changelog
[08:00] <Jucato> because if you remember, we've had people saying stuff like strigi wasn't installed during the upgrade
[08:00] <Hobbsee> oh wait, it may require it
[08:00] <Jucato> and they use dist-upgrade
[08:00] <Hobbsee> hm.  will see.
[08:00] <Hobbsee> yeah
[08:00] <Jucato> hm.. ok... :)
[08:00] <Hobbsee> if we need to, we'll add to the doco that you have to use --install-recommends
[08:01] <Jucato> I'm just confused/worried/anxious about this new setup so pardon my ignorance :)
[08:01] <Hobbsee> if only the setup was as fast as the download..
[08:01] <Jucato> if only the download was as fast as the setup on my end :P
[08:02] <Hobbsee> i'd like to see a great section of adept fixed for hardy, too
[08:02] <Hobbsee> because we'll use that beyond hardy
[08:03] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.  why do you think i'm ssh'd into a connection that has a local mirror?  :)
[08:03] <Jucato> heheh :)
[08:04] <Jucato> so I think hardy is a perfect opportunity for us to have a solid base... although it doesn't help if Ubuntu keeps on making new features and we have to play catch up
[08:04] <Jucato> :(
[08:04] <Hobbsee> true - but it seems they're getting smarter in terms of writing bases and frontends
[08:04] <Jucato> we just need to sync development... but we don't have the manpower :(
[08:05] <Hobbsee> yup
[08:05] <Jucato> for example, some users are asking about the X config thingy and the automatic printer config thingy
[08:05] <Hobbsee> yes, i wish the auto printer config thingy would be here
[08:05] <Hobbsee> for our next release, we should suggest pepole do them for kde4
[08:05] <Hobbsee> really, i'm unsure why the printing stuff isnt upstream.
[08:06] <Jucato> btw, what really is bulletproof X? is that the config thiny or something in X itself?
[08:06] <Hobbsee> oh, we cant have bulletproof X
[08:06] <Jucato> printing for KDE 4 barely exists right now :)
[08:06] <Hobbsee> it's basically to make sure that x has a failsafe mode, and works, so that people dont have to edit their xorg.conf
[08:06] <Jucato> so we can't have that?
[08:07] <Hobbsee> no, there's something missing in kwin
[08:07] <Jucato> aw...
[08:11] <Jucato> oh well...
[08:11] <Hobbsee> but.
[08:11] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you around yet?
[08:12] <Jucato> sound asleep I guess
[08:13] <Hobbsee> hm
[08:13] <Hobbsee> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:13] <Hobbsee>  /var/cache/apt/archives/guidance-backends_0.8.0svn20070928-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[08:13] <Hobbsee>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kaddressbook_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[08:13] <Hobbsee>  /var/cache/apt/archives/karm_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[08:13] <Hobbsee>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kmail_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[08:13] <Hobbsee>  /var/cache/apt/archives/knotes_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[08:13] <Hobbsee>  /var/cache/apt/archives/korganizer_4%3a3.5.7enterprise20070907-0ubuntu3_i386.deb
[08:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato: there was something i wanted nixternal for.
[08:16] <Hobbsee> i just dont remember what.
[08:16] <Jucato> hehe :)
[08:16] <Hobbsee> Jucato: what are your thoughts on ditching the current buglot from our brains for hardy?
[08:16] <Jucato> everyone wants nixternal nowadays...
[08:16] <Hobbsee> as in, anything that gets pushed thru a sru is good, but we're otherwise ignoring them all
[08:16] <Hobbsee> then we'll eol for hardy+5, or whatever it is.
[08:17] <Jucato> heh
[08:17] <Hobbsee> kde was talking about it - i suspect they'll want things rereported
[08:17] <Jucato> hm... my thoughts for now revolve around adept and system settings... at least clearing out that lot would be good I guess
[08:17] <Jucato> unfortunately, we're very shorthanded on Adept...
[08:18] <Hobbsee> it'll need a rewrite - parts, or all of it.
[08:18] <Jucato> it's becoming a PITA to maintain isn't it?
[08:18] <Hobbsee> manchicken: was talking about it
[08:18] <Hobbsee> yeah - although i think that libept may also be a pain
[08:18] <Jucato> we're practically the ones maintaining it... and upstream doesn't seem to be applying our fixes...
[08:18] <Hobbsee> apt also has some real FUBAR's in it too
[08:18] <Hobbsee> i'm unsure if mornfall is even around anymore
[08:19] <Hobbsee> last i recall, he was saying "screw debian, i'll make this work on rpm stuff"
[08:19] <Jucato> which is kinda weird why he started on a Debian PM  in the first place...
[08:19] <Jucato> wasn't he partly employed by RH?
[08:19] <Hobbsee> Setting up cups-pdf (2.4.6-3ubuntu7) ...
[08:19] <Hobbsee> Password for root on localhost?
[08:19] <Hobbsee> quite possible
[08:19] <Hobbsee> uh?
[08:19] <Jucato> heh :)
[08:20] <Hobbsee> Setting up cups-pdf (2.4.6-3ubuntu7) ...
[08:20] <Hobbsee> Password for root on localhost?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> Password for root on localhost?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> lpadmin: Unauthorized
[08:20] <Hobbsee> dpkg: error processing cups-pdf (--configure):
[08:20] <Hobbsee>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[08:20] <Hobbsee> oh well
[08:20] <Jucato> yay!
[08:20] <Hobbsee> afaik, there is no root pass in a chroot.
[08:21] <Jucato> heh... I'm scared of chroot
[08:21] <Jucato> it was the cause of losing my /home
[08:21] <Jucato> well, that and PEBKAC :)
[08:22] <Hobbsee> Setting up kdm (4:3.5.7-1ubuntu26) ...
[08:22] <Hobbsee> Installing new version of config file /etc/init.d/kdm ...
[08:22] <Hobbsee> Configuration file `/etc/kde3/kdm/backgroundrc'
[08:22] <Hobbsee>  ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.
[08:22] <Hobbsee>  ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version.
[08:22] <Hobbsee>    What would you like to do about it ?  Your options are:
[08:22] <Hobbsee>     Y or I  : install the package maintainer's version
[08:22] <Hobbsee>     N or O  : keep your currently-installed version
[08:22] <Hobbsee>       D     : show the differences between the versions
[08:22] <Hobbsee>       Z     : background this process to examine the situation
[08:22] <Hobbsee>  The default action is to keep your current version.
[08:22] <Hobbsee> *** backgroundrc (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N]  ?
[08:22] <Hobbsee> ...interesting.
[08:23] <Hobbsee> we should fix that too.
[08:23] <Hobbsee> same with Configuration file `/etc/kde3/kdm/kdmrc'
[08:23] <Jucato> what's wrong?
[08:23] <Jucato> oh
[08:23] <Jucato> yeah heheh
[08:24] <Jucato> gah! I just lost my train of thought!
[08:25] <Jucato> oh yeah now I remember...I wonder how your system will behave once it gets to that PAM upgrade part, where you'll be asked which services to restart...
[08:25] <Jucato> and kdm is one of those (and let's say you forgot to remove kdm from the list)
[08:26] <Jucato> heh ok time to get busy w/ work...
[08:30] <stdin> I wish I could build amarok2 :(
[08:33] <Hobbsee> why cant you?
[08:33] <Hobbsee> Jucato: havent got to that yet
[08:33] <Hobbsee> but it should silently want to restart, i hope
[08:33] <stdin> Hobbsee: some cmake error http://www.stdin.me.uk/build.log
[08:34] <Hobbsee> ah
[08:34] <stdin> I don't know cmake well enough to attempt to fix it
[08:37] <Hobbsee> uh, digikam?  whya re you a special snowflake?
[08:40] <Hobbsee> root@liquified:/# apt-cache rdepends libexiv2-0.12
[08:40] <Hobbsee> libexiv2-0.12
[08:40] <Hobbsee> Reverse Depends:
[08:40] <Hobbsee>   digikam
[08:40] <Hobbsee>   libkexiv2-0
[08:40] <Hobbsee>   digikam
[08:43] <Hobbsee> 2:0.9.1-1ubuntu4
[08:43] <Hobbsee> oh, i see.
[08:52] <Hobbsee> right, can fix both libexiv and libkexiv
[08:52] <Jucato> yay! :)
[08:53] <Jucato> er.. I shouldn't be here :)
[08:53] <Hobbsee> neither should i.
[08:54] <Jucato> :D
[10:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey
[10:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yo !!
[10:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: a bugfixed version of knm applet is coming out this thursday, can you package it ?
[10:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: there's that list of bugfixes that would be cool to have in gutsy (WPA/EAP stuff)
[10:15] <Hobbsee> heya Tonio_
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I've made some progress on the kdmtheme, and I know how to fix it, whats the deadline for having it in gutsy?
[10:18] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: bug fixes, or new features?
[10:18] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: also, upgrading yakauake is something we should do
[10:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sure I will
[10:18] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: bugfixes for knm, yes.
[10:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: deadline for kdmtheme is -> ASAP
[10:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: not to say ASATFP
[10:19] <_StefanS_> thats what I figured, I'm sorry I haven't had so much time lately
[10:19] <_StefanS_> I will do my best
[10:19] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what's new in the latest yakuake ?
[10:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: look on kde-look.org, it was just released yesterdya
[10:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: do what you can, nobody will blame you not to get it done :)
[10:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I will
[10:19] <_StefanS_> I will try.
[10:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Yakuake?content=29153
[10:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: it was on apps.
[10:20] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that'll break the feature freeze for sure :(
[10:20] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: its a feature release
[10:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: when i spoke to sho, it didnt have that many features.
[10:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: is sho the developper ?
[10:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yes
[10:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: (the lead dev)
[10:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: let's forget about providing an rc file then :/
[10:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: btw I looked, I don't know why the changes have been reverted on konversation, but honnestly I don't mind, the current rc file is good
[10:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll go explain the reason of our choices to sho
[10:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: although I know he won't agree ;)
[10:22] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: heh
[10:22] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i'm inclined to take yakuake - we've already got beta 1
[10:23] <Hobbsee> of course, i can give the exception for it :)
[10:23] <Hobbsee> as can ScottK
[10:24] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ah, good to know
[10:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: so I can upload without any prompt (I have your exception) ?
[10:25] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: of yakuake?  yeah, that's fine
[10:25] <Tonio_> Jucato: okay so I'm stoping on the packaging now ? :)
[10:25] <Jucato> hehe you should confirm it with nixternal though... that's just iirc
[10:25] <Jucato> btw... anyone figured out what's the commands file in $HOME is all about?
[10:26] <Jucato> (why are we having so many problems with $HOME? :P)
[10:26] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/148446
[10:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 148446 in ubuntu "package kdm 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu26 failed to install/upgrade: read error on stdin at conffile prompt" [Undecided,New] 
[10:26] <Hobbsee> looks like we're hitting this again - adept's dying over it presumably
[10:27] <Jucato> :)
[10:44] <Tonio_> Jucato: just fyi, I just packaged yakuake for my needs, but the package is done
[10:44] <Tonio_> Jucato: don't know what you did in it, or if it is started or not on your own, so let me know, since I eventually can upload the one here...
[10:44] <Tonio_> ;)
[10:58] <Tonio_> jcastro: I'm still here for the openweek, don't forget me :)
[10:59] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: what will you talk about for the open week?
[11:00] <stdin> the Nvidia page on the wiki has been "kdeified" and it almost killed me :p
[11:03] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: dunno what to talk about yet, that's to be discussed :)
[11:03] <Hobbsee> awww, it'll only let me use 4 connections at a time.
[11:03] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: right.
[11:13] <toma> hi all
[11:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I think its incredible cool we have kdesudo.. I just tried opensuse 10.3 the other day, and had to keep punch in administrator password.
[11:14] <Hobbsee> hi toma
[11:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: much more fluent when we remember the password for a few minutes
[11:15] <toma> hi Hobbsee
[11:15] <toma> Hobbsee: familiar with the installer?
[11:15] <Hobbsee> ubiquity?  from a dev POV?  no
[11:15] <Hobbsee> from a user POV, yes, enough
[11:16] <toma> Hobbsee: my installation is stuck at downloading language files. Can I get it to skip that part for now and continue?
[11:18] <toma> Riddell: maybe you know?
[11:19] <Hobbsee> what do the VT's say?
[11:19] <Hobbsee> (they can be kinda big)
[11:20] <toma> Hobbsee: no output there, other then the boot sequence on 8
[11:21] <Hobbsee> hm
[11:21] <Hobbsee> idk, sorry
[11:22] <toma> hm /target looks pretty complete
[11:34] <toma> Hobbsee: thnxs, rebooting
[11:36] <Riddell> Tonio_: have you tested bluetooth recently?
[11:36] <Riddell> everyone says it's broken
[11:41] <hunger> Riddell: kblueplugd has some code in front of #!/usr/bin/python line. Removing that junk fixes the BT for me.
[11:42] <hunger> That an tweaking the config in /etc/default/bluetooth which is a bit strange out of the box IMHO. But that is not a kubuntu problem.
[11:43] <hunger> e.g. enableing pand causes the init script to fail, etc.
[11:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is
[11:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I planned to fix this on friday :)
[11:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the 30_kubuntu_default_settings contain exactly the same entries as the 20_ file, right?
[11:50] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I mean, 30 is used if the user wants to change the default theme.
[11:50] <hunger> strigidaemon keeps coredumping:-(
[11:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: did you touch kblueplugd in your last upload ?
[11:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: the code was changed.......
[11:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no, only debian/control and debian/changelog
[11:55] <Hobbsee> there's a bug about it though
[11:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: strange.......
[11:55] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: very.  the kblueplugd was changed with my upload?
[11:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: looks like I commited the issue :)
[11:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll fix this right now
[11:56] <Hobbsee> cool :)
[11:57] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: when entering kdmtheme the first time, should we check the "Enable KDM Themes" and preselect the kubuntu theme in the list ? I think it would be the most intuitive way.
[11:57] <Tonio_> yep we should indeed :)
[11:57] <Riddell> that would be nice
[11:57] <_StefanS_> right.
[11:58] <_StefanS_> Riddell: and once a user wants to select something else, we write 30_kubuntu_default_settings.
[11:58] <_StefanS_> sorry
[11:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_:  ^
[11:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: 30_kem_theme maybe no ? ;)
[11:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ehm my file are called 20_kubuntu_default_settings, should it be named differently?
[11:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh only the numbers matter (?)
[12:01] <Riddell> _StefanS_: it should write to kdmrc
[12:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: uploading fixed kdebluetooth, the issue was mine, sorry for this
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: hu ? well if writting to kdmrc, the settings will be overwritten by kdm.d values
[12:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's why the idea of fixing this by creating a file whose name overrides the 20_kubuntu_default_settings
[12:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: tested with a theme defined in a 30_... file, works perfectly
[12:03] <Riddell> they won't be overridden
[12:03] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: only the numer matters, yes as the settings are merged in the priority of the bggest number
[12:03] <Riddell> (unless you pick a theme called @@@ToBeReplacedByDesktopBase@@@)
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: right, but changing the kdmrc would cause questions on update
[12:04] <Tonio_> people can get their settings removed
[12:04] <_StefanS_> so whats the decision ? ^
[12:04] <Hobbsee> 42.
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: why not making usage of kdm.d for this ? sounds cleaner, as then the kdmtheme created file will oversize the 20_kubuntu_default_settings one no ?
[12:05] <Riddell> why not use kdmrc, that's what it's for
[12:06] <Riddell> if people change a setting, they will want questions on upgrade so it doesn't get changed back
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure, but someone answering "yes" on a distupgrade will get his settings removed
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: then why didn't we simply patch kdmrc for kubuntu default-settings in it ? :)
[12:06] <Riddell> (and changing defaults/... could also require a question)
[12:06] <Tonio_> that's what it is for too right ? :)
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's why the program will create a second kdm.d file
[12:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: no question at all in that case
[12:07] <Riddell> we don't patch kdmrc so that people don't have questions asked when they /havn't/ made any settings changes
[12:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: with a second kdm.d file, no package provided file is touched -> no question for the user
[12:07] <Tonio_> well that's better imho, but I let you guys decide what the best is....
[12:07] <_StefanS_> adept doesn't handle the questions anyway, does it?
[12:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it does, but some people might not even know what is changed or what kdmrc file is for, that's my concern
[12:08] <_StefanS_> I think if you have a setting, it should just stick.
[12:08] <_StefanS_> regardless of updates
[12:09] <Tonio_> yep but dpkg doesn't work that way
[12:09] <_StefanS_> If I use my own kdm theme, i couldn't care less for the default being upgraded.
[12:09] <_StefanS_> or kdm for that matter.
[12:09] <_StefanS_> +1 for kdm.d
[12:09] <_StefanS_> :D
[12:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: and since the setting can't be in the user profile, there is no other way to override it than a kdm.d file
[12:11] <Riddell> _StefanS_: the dist upgrade tool will ask
[12:11] <Riddell> _StefanS_: it will just stick, unless there's a change in the default kdmrc
[12:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: it'll say that the file is changed, nothing else, and what to do
[12:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: my mother wouldn't understand that the theme for kdm is in this file, and wouldn't understand why it has been replaced by the default
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: the kdm theme is a "personnal" setting for people like any other kde setting
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: and they don't get overrided by any update
[12:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well you decide, both ways can be used, but as long as we have the kdm.d thing, and that this thing is more "dynamic", and allows silent upgrades, my opinion is to do that way
[12:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but do the way you prefer :)
[12:14] <_StefanS_> well I prefer the kdm.d since my code already works in this area.
[12:16] <_StefanS_> all I need now is 1) read the active configuration file, and preselect stuff in the gui, 2) write to 30_ if users wants a change
[12:16] <_StefanS_> thats it.
[12:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki ;)
[12:19] <Riddell> surely kdmtheme already works with kdmrc
[12:21] <Riddell> the only change required is that if the theme is @@@ToBeReplacedByDesktopBase@@ it should be treated as Kubuntu
[12:23] <_StefanS_> Riddell: what if there's two kubuntu themes available?
[12:23] <fabo> Riddell: jos confirmed strigi work with clucene 0.9.20
[12:23] <_StefanS_> Riddell: with and without userlist
[12:24] <fabo> just 0.9.17 was problematic
[12:24] <fabo> Riddell: off-topic, i will upload kdmtheme 1.2 on Debian in a couple of minutes
[12:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you have to manually change the kdm.d file by hand
[12:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: or set it in kdmrc file manually too
[12:25] <_StefanS_> not exactly a thing users would like I guess
[12:25] <Riddell> _StefanS_: that's only 1 default
[12:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: but kdmtheme strangelly doesn't work with kdmrc at the moment, that's why _StefanS_ was hacking on that one
[12:27] <Riddell> best to find out the cause of the problem than just work around it
[12:31] <Jucato> isn't the reason for kdmtheme not working is the override file?
[12:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's not a workarround, it is just making kdmtheme using a feature that we have in kubuntu (kdm.d) instead of a fixed kdmrc file
[12:33] <Riddell> Jucato: shouldn't be
[12:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: not that one solution is better than the other, but that's probably not a workarround, unless you don't consider kdm.d mecanism a feature....
[12:34] <Jucato> Riddell: iirc, that was the error message when kdmtheme was launched. although I can't seem to get it to show up now
[12:34] <Riddell> /etc/default/kdm.d/ is a feature for the defaults, thus the directory name
[12:34] <Jucato> but only in Debian right?
[12:34] <Riddell> only what in Debian?
[12:34] <_StefanS_> Jucato: its not in the new 1.2
[12:34] <Jucato> the use of /etc/default/ directories
[12:34] <_StefanS_> Riddell: he's talking about that messagebox about debian using kdm.d
[12:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: right..... Well I'm just considering people that complained about their kdm settings lost after a dist-upgrade, even when they were using kdmtheme
[12:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: that happened sometimes in #kubuntu, and according to them, as they just configured this as any other part of kde, that's typically a bug
[12:35] <Jucato> iirc the message was something like "changes done in kdmtheme will not take effect because of the overrride file"
[12:36] <Tonio_> of course, they should have known that kdmrc contains this settings, and should have read before allowing the file replacement during upgrades, but in the real worls, most people just won't do it
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's my concern in fact ;)
[12:36] <Jucato> anyway.. nvm :)
[12:36] <Jucato> _StefanS_: so the one we have now is 1.2 right? but does it work?
[12:36] <Tonio_> but now I'm ended fighting on that point, everyone has my feeling, I won't take any decision or insist more :)
[12:37] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yes we have 1.2, and its almost done.
[12:37] <Jucato> _StefanS_: okie dokie :)
[12:44] <stdin> Jucato: have you seen the "new" nvidia and ati pages?
[12:44] <Jucato> nope
[12:45] <Jucato> I'm sure you did an excellent job anyway :P
[12:45] <stdin> have a look  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia has a big change imo
[12:46] <stdin> opinions/commends to make me feel good, erm, I mean to tell me what you think
[12:48] <Jucato> stdin: I'll check later. kinda busy right now. sorry
[12:50] <stdin> ok, but I expect big praise :p
[12:54] <Jucato>  <Jucato> I'm sure you did an excellent job anyway :P <--- not enough?
[12:56] <stdin> Jucato: it's never enough, I want a medal ;)
[01:11] <Jucato> stdin: great job!
[01:11] <Jucato> (there? ok now?_
[01:11] <Jucato> :D
[01:11] <stdin> see, that's all I wanted :D
[01:12] <Jucato> kthxbye
[01:12] <Jucato> :D
[01:16] <mhb> hi folks
[01:17] <Jucato> hi mhb! how was the vacation?
[01:18] <mhb> the vacation was fine, but now I have to go to school ... booring :o)
[01:18] <Jucato> hehehe
[01:18] <mhb> well, not really that much boring - I spent last three hours trying to authenticate into the universitys wifi network
[01:19] <Jucato> hehe that'd be fun
[01:19] <mhb> they use WPA, hide their SSIDs, use TKIP as cyphering...
[01:19] <mhb> and HOWTOs only for XP
[01:20] <Jucato> lovely :)
[01:20] <Jucato> me is starving
[01:20] <Jucato> oops forgot the /
[01:20] <mhb> Jucato: see you, I have to attend some more lectures
[01:53] <manchicken> Hobbsee, Jucato, I saw you talking about me.  heh
[02:01] <nixternal> mornin'
[02:05] <Jucato> hiya manchicken, nixternal!
[02:05] <manchicken> nixternal: Looks like I'm gonna be working for a company in St. Louis
[02:07] <Jucato> nixternal: congrats on your 2nd post :)
[02:09] <nixternal> hehe, thanks
[02:09] <nixternal> manchicken: are you moving there?
[02:09] <manchicken> Naw, telecommute.
[02:09] <nixternal> nice
[02:09] <nixternal> doing what exactly?
[02:10] <manchicken> The company I really thought would be great to work for, though, I'm expecting to make a bad offer.
[02:10] <manchicken> Perl, of course :)
[02:10] <manchicken> God's gift to programming languages.
[02:10] <nixternal> hehe
[02:10] <nixternal> I am glad you think so
[02:11] <manchicken> Or Larry Wall's acid trip.  Which ever you prefer.
[02:11] <Jucato> it's a pearl :)
[02:13] <Jucato> oooh jpatrick is here
[02:13] <jpatrick> it's as if I was special..
[02:13] <Jucato> hahah!
[02:15] <nixternal> jpatrick: you are special!
[02:16] <jpatrick> yeah, but... :)
[02:17] <nixternal> OK, that's it, I need a @kde.org :)  posting on the Dot with an Ubuntu address is going to upset people, or committing to SVN, or even being listed in the KDE developers entities files in kdelibs with an @ubuntu.com...people will start talking about our infiltration :p
[02:17] <nixternal> muhehe
[02:18] <Riddell> use a @kubuntu address?
[02:18] <nixternal> Tonio_: go ahead with your yakuake that you did
[02:18] <Riddell> nixternal: you have to be pretty elite to get an @kde address
[02:18] <nixternal> I have been thinking about switching to the @kubuntu.org and then going through all of the mailing lists and fixing that
[02:19] <nixternal> Riddell: ya, I know, was joking a bit there :)
[02:19] <nixternal> truthfully, one more address would be like another whole in my body...do I really need it? :D
[02:22] <Riddell> I try to keep to as few e-mail addresses as possible
[02:22] <Riddell> which is why I don't have a @kde one or use @kubuntu
[02:22] <nixternal> hah, I have looked at your GPG key, you have a ton just like I do :)
[02:23] <Tonio_> nixternal: oki
[02:23] <nixternal> is there a way to successfully scrub email addresses from a gpg key? I have tried, and scrub them locally, but when I upload them, they seem to never change
[02:24] <Riddell> nixternal: I've never managed
[02:25] <nixternal> seems to be a keyserver issue really, as you can remove them by editing your key
[03:06] <hunger> Anyone using kitchensync with syncml around?
[03:08] <Hobbsee> manchicken: :)
[03:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: no, it doesnt seem so
[03:09] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you can mark it as invalid, but not beyond that
[03:11] <Jucato> oh krap fell into water!
[03:11] <Jucato> er... wrong channel
[03:13] <jpatrick> :>
[03:14] <Hobbsee> jpatrick!
[03:14] <jpatrick> hi Hobbsee
[03:18] <jpatrick> it lives..
[03:18] <Jucato> hehe
[03:18] <jpatrick> Jucato: it didn't want to last night :)
[03:20] <Jucato> hahah
[03:37] <jpatrick> where should Katapult bugs go? Launchpad or KDE?
[03:38] <Jucato> good question...
[03:39] <Riddell> depends if it's our fault or "upstream"s
[03:39] <jpatrick> Riddell: for the about box I mean
[03:40] <jpatrick> I'll put kde
[03:40] <Jucato> fortunately in this matter, upstream is with us :)
[03:40] <Jucato> unless it changed in the past months...
[03:41] <Jucato> Mez: you're still the maintainer of katapult?
[03:41] <jpatrick> Jucato: I dunno, but I volunteered yesterday
[03:41] <Jucato> jpatrick: koolness :)
[03:42] <Jucato> have you seen Katapult Fast Track?
[03:42] <jpatrick> yeah
[03:42] <Jucato> haven't tried it out yet myself. but sounds interesting
[03:43] <jpatrick> I'm just trying to see what I can do
[03:43] <Jucato> good luck with that. more power to you and katapult! :)
[03:53] <hunger> Yahoo! A OOo fork:-(
[03:54] <Jucato> O.o
[04:27] <bddebian> Heya
[04:39] <fdoving> great, bug 134331 is back. or the issue rather.
[04:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134331 in gdebi "gdebi should search for .debs in current folder" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134331
[04:43] <fdoving> mhb: around?
[04:43] <fdoving> mhb: see https://launchpad.net/bugs/134331 - is that a simple fix?
[04:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134331 in gdebi "gdebi should search for .debs in current folder" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[04:53] <jpatrick> Riddell: who has op rights on *-es?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: some guy who keeps buggin gme about it
[04:54] <Hobbsee> [00:54]  [Notice]  -ChanServ-      Contact: TiMiDo, last seen: 1 day (14h 11m 7s) ago
[04:55] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: really? haven't seen him for ages
[04:55] <fdoving> hmm.. kdebluetooth filetransfers does not seem to work.
[04:55] <fdoving> if they do, they are "#!%"#% slow.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> jpatrick: he was bugging me again yesterday, so he's certainly here
[04:56] <jpatrick> Hobbsee: not in the k-es site team, but then again, I haven't been round for ages meself :>
[04:57] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[05:00] <jpatrick> guess i'll just have to look out for him..
[05:04] <nixternal> Riddell: I made a typo on the Dot article about Marble... s/OpenStreeMap/OpenStreetMap if you could please
[05:12] <Riddell> nixternal: you should subscribe to the list
[05:12] <Riddell> https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/dot-editors
[05:13] <nixternal> oh, I thought I had to be subscribed :)  that is what I was waiting for :)
[05:14] <nixternal> err, thought someone had to set my stuff up, thought it was "top-secret"
[05:14] <nixternal> done
[05:15] <Riddell> nixternal: your subscription will need to be approved
[05:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why do we have kubuntu-members and kubuntu beasties now?
[05:16] <Riddell> nixternal: did you get yakuake packaged?
[05:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: Tonio_ did
[05:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: already uploaded
[05:16] <Riddell> ah, published two hours ago, excellent
[05:17] <Riddell> Hobbsee: historical mostly
[05:17] <DaSkreech> Beasties?
[05:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: it occured to me a couple of days ago that when the next nitwit decides to subscribe kubuntu-members to a bug, we all get spammed with it.
[05:18] <Hobbsee> (same with ubuntu-core-dev, etc, which gets done more often)
[05:21] <DaSkreech> nixternal: planning a gutsy upgrade today
[05:49] <Jucato> I just noticed this now... all Google web shortcuts in Konqueror... use www.google.co.uk... hm.. fascinating
[05:49] <DaSkreech> Really?
[05:49] <DaSkreech> mine use www.google.com.jm ... after redirection :)
[05:49] <Jucato> at least it does here. check the Web Shortcuts
[05:49] <DaSkreech> I'm on Gnome right now
[05:49] <Jucato> I did say in Konqueror
[05:50] <DaSkreech> Yeah I know
[05:53] <Riddell> Jucato: you must be set to en_GB
[05:53] <Riddell> which is a bug, confusing language with geographical location
[05:54] <Riddell> it can easily be removed now google has local versions by default
[05:54] <Jucato> so that automatically generates this in Konqueror Web Shortcats? http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=\{@}&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
[05:55] <Riddell> yes
[05:55] <Jucato> kool! how smart can Konqueror be!?! :)
[05:56] <DaSkreech> not smart enough to compete with a dolphin
[05:56] <Jucato> hah! it Konquers dolphins!
[05:56] <Jucato> bah bed time..
[05:56] <DaSkreech> night
[05:57] <Jucato> k'night!
[05:57] <Riddell> Jucato: /usr/share/services/searchproviders/google.desktop is the issue
[05:58] <Jucato> oh wow
[06:21] <nixternal> Riddell: would a title such as "I once was lost..." be acceptable for the dot? it reads professionally, the write up that is, and uses a catchy intro to get the story rolling?
[06:22] <nixternal> Title: "I once was lost..."  Starting sentence: "...but now Blue-GNU is showing you the way with Kontact, in an article titled..."
[06:22] <Riddell> nixternal: not sure, give it a go and I'll see how it reads
[06:22] <nixternal> roger
[06:23] <nixternal> OK, I have added it to the queue
[07:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey
[07:46] <DaSkreech> Anyone done any recent upgrades to gutsy?
[07:46] <DaSkreech> like yesterday :)
[07:46] <Riddell> not I
[07:57] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[07:57] <DaSkreech> From the Dot
[07:57] <DaSkreech> Why cant the GUI world *also* focus on "power users"
[07:57] <DaSkreech> that DO have better ways? I dont like any attitude that
[07:57] <DaSkreech> says "we exist only for the stupid users" .... :(   PS: Just to make it clear I think KDE rocks.
[08:03] <Tm_T> haha
[08:06] <Goliath23> Riddell: someone else tested the ksplash-engine-moodin patch and it seems it is working
[08:06] <Goliath23> on a different note: can someone confirm, that digikam is broken in gutsy (it doesn't show any cameras while gphoto detects them nicely)
[08:14] <_StefanS_> Goliath23: I encountered exactly that the other day with my ixus 950ti
[08:14] <_StefanS_> Goliath23: so thats a yes.
[08:15] <Goliath23> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/digikam/+bug/145239
[08:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 145239 in digikam "usb camera list does not show up anymore in digikam" [Undecided,New] 
[08:15] <Goliath23> this is the bug report, still undecided, new.
[08:15] <_StefanS_> wow, I guess it should be easy to fix
[08:15] <Goliath23> since digicam is a pretty prominent app, I think it should be fixed before gutsy is released.
[08:15] <_StefanS_> ^agreed
[08:16] <Goliath23> probably a low hanging fruit, but I have no idea on how to fix and and I GUESS it might occur only on systems that upgraded from feisty to gutsy, like mine
[08:16] <Goliath23> or is yours a fresh install?
[08:17] <_StefanS_> nawp
[08:17] <_StefanS_> upgraded from tribe 3 or something
[08:17] <Goliath23> but on the other hand... if gphoto runs fine and downloads photos (which it does) .. it seems to be a problem just related to digikam and no other package
[08:20] <_StefanS_> yep
[08:20] <ScottK> nixternal: Kubuntu-docs are being discussed in #launchpad.
[08:21] <_StefanS_> Goliath23: just compile it with nostrip and see what happens by re-running kdeinit in a terminal
[08:21] <_StefanS_> Goliath23: maybe its something obvious
[08:29] <Goliath23> the author of digikam just said it's probably an outdated libgphoto2
[08:31] <Riddell> Goliath23: we have 2.4.0-2ubuntu1
[08:32] <Goliath23> I ask him
[08:33] <Goliath23> uhm
[08:34] <Goliath23> Riddell: was the digikam package compiled against that version
[08:34] <Goliath23> ?
[08:34] <allee> Goliath23: against 2.3.1
[08:34] <allee> see my note on #digikam
[08:34] <Goliath23> I'll try to rebuild it and check if the problem persists
[08:34] <allee> Goliath23: thx
[08:34] <Goliath23> brb
[08:35] <Goliath23> Riddell: what about bug #41407 ? will you include the patches?
[08:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 41407 in ksplash-engine-moodin "Kubuntu's Ksplash icons are too close to each other" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41407
[08:35] <Riddell> Goliath23: yes, I'll look at it again tomorrow
[08:35] <Goliath23> cool, thnanks
[08:36] <marseillai> is it still time to send debdiff to solve bug like this one : https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kxmame/+bug/113699 ??
[08:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 113699 in kxmame "kxmame package wrongly conflicts with xmame-x" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[08:36] <Goliath23> how to install build-deps again?
[08:36] <Goliath23> ah build-dep :)
[08:36] <Goliath23> never mind :)
[08:38] <Tonio_> marseillai: send it to me, I'll upload tomorrow
[08:50] <Goliath23> Riddell, allee: recompiling fixes the digikam issue!
[08:50] <Goliath23> it seems to be compiled against the wrong libgphoto2 and digikam silently ignores that on startup
[08:50] <Goliath23> preventing the user from accessing any cameras..
[08:51] <Riddell> Goliath23: interesting
[08:52] <allee> Goliath23: that awful.  libghoto2 claimed to that 2.4 is backward comaptible to 2.3 :(
[08:52] <Riddell> yes, it's slightly worrying
[08:52] <Riddell> I don't have a camera to test it on
[08:52] <Riddell> anyone able to confirm?
[08:53] <allee> Riddell: bug report has afair 3 different people seeing the prob.
[08:54] <Riddell> well, not much to lose by just thowing it up for a recompile I guess
[08:54] <allee> Goliath23: I don't see the problem: I have a) browse media -> ... usb vendor specific   that opens my camera.  b) Add camera -> then autodetect finds the camera
[08:55] <Riddell> it's not something like installing gphoto -dev package helps it?
[08:56] <allee> oh, if it's the old 'missing .la' problem?  Checking ...
[09:00] <allee> Riddell: right.  digikam fails to load the libghoto2 plugins without the .la files :( :(
[09:01] <allee> damn!  I thought that was fixed in kdelibs
[09:02] <Riddell> so we need to make digikam depend on libgphoto2-dev?
[09:02] <allee> Goliath23: can you reinstall digikam from the ubuntu archive?  apt-get install --reinstall digikam;  apt-get --purge remove libgphoto2-dev   Bug shows up again?  apt-get install libgphoto2-dev;  Bug gone again?
[09:03] <allee> Riddell: yes, or move the plugins .la files to libgphoto2-2
[09:03] <Riddell> oh aye, that's a better idea
[09:03] <allee> Riddell: debian maintainer refused to do it and blaimed it's kdelibs fault
[09:04] <allee> something wrong with ltst(sp?) of kdelibs)
[09:05] <Goliath23> allee: can do that, hold on, just need to finish putting an article up to ebay :)
[09:06] <Riddell> allee: I'm not sure why it would be dynamically loaded anyway, digikam is linked against libgphoto
[09:08] <Riddell> allee: is it only /usr/lib/libgphoto2.la that's needed, or the other .la files in -dev too?
[09:12] <allee> last time all .la files in /usr/lib/libghoto2/2.4.0/
[09:13] <allee> Riddell: you accept a debdiff that does move the .la files to libgphoto2-2?
[09:14] <Riddell> allee: sure
[09:14] <allee> k
[09:15] <allee> Goliath23: can you try the libgphoto2-dev stuff I've described above?  Then I can close the bug via the changelog
[09:16] <Goliath23> I will now
[09:16] <allee> thx
[09:19] <Goliath23> allee: I don't have libgphoto2-dev installed
[09:20] <Goliath23> and I didn't install the newly built digikam, I started it from its source tree. which worked
[09:20] <Goliath23> BUT now that I started the newly built one, and then start the (re)installed digikam  from the repositories, that one works as well
[09:22] <Goliath23> allee: so I guess it was maybe on of the packages that installed with build-deps digikam?
[09:33] <allee> Goliath23: yes,  try apt-get remove libgphoto2-2-dev  and check in the bug is back
[09:35] <Goliath23> allee: confirmed!
[09:43] <Goliath23> what are the absolute minimum requirements for a kubuntu installation?
[09:50] <seele> is anyone going to be at FOSSCamp before UDS?
[10:08] <ScorpKing> hi guys. i'm not sure this is the right place to ask but how can i customize the block with "Shutdown, Logout, Restart" on it. what is it called?
[10:11] <nixternal> ScottK: what did I miss about kubuntu-docs?
[10:12] <ScottK> Heh. Look at what I just wrote you in #launchpad.
[10:16] <allee> Riddell: should I use dpatch for the debian/*.files.  There are also added Replaces: ... in debian/control but somehow I don't like to use dpatch'ing the control file.
[10:20] <ScottK> allee: You don't need to patch inside the debian dir.
[10:20] <allee> ScottK: good :)
[10:23] <ScorpKing> is tis the right place to ask that question of mine?
[10:23] <ScorpKing> this*
[10:25] <allee> ScorpKing: depends on your question :)  nevertheless, never ask if you can ask.  If it's not the 'right' question for this channel,  one will tell you
[10:25] <ScorpKing> hi guys. i'm not sure this is the right place to ask but how can i customize the block with "Shutdown, Logout, Restart" on it. what is it called?
[10:26] <ScorpKing> that was it
[10:28] <allee> ScorpKing: if you need it to fix an existing bug in the pkgs, that's the right channel.  If you want to do it for 'your taste' ==> #kubuntu-user.  (fwiw: I would have to search myself where it's done)
[10:28] <ScorpKing> ah ok. thanks. :)
[10:30] <Riddell> allee: I wouldn't patch anything in debian/
[11:06] <allee> Riddell: libgphoto2 patch sent
[11:14] <Riddell> allee: great, uploaded
[11:15] <nixternal> hey you c++ phreaks...when you do operator overloads, which method(s) do you prefer? free, member, friend, whatever else is left?
[11:16] <Riddell> those are keywords, not methods
[11:17] <nixternal> ya, sorry about that
[11:17] <nixternal> does Qt have operator overloading tools? I have never read anything on it if it does
[11:17] <allee> Riddell: thx
[11:17] <Riddell> Qt doesn't, C++ does
[11:17] <Riddell> operators are + - >> > == etc
[11:17] <nixternal> ya
[11:18] <Riddell> which you can override in a class with operator+() etc
[11:19] <Riddell> Qt uses operator overriding for QString for example
[11:20] <nixternal> date date::operator++() { this->dateIncrement(1); return *this; }
[11:20] <nixternal> argh
[11:20] <nixternal> I see the darn problem now
[11:20] <nixternal> dayIncrement, not date
[11:21] <nixternal> heh, incrementDate(int)....OK, time for a code break
[12:28] <Tm_T> stupid question, is compiz-fusion active ootb in kubuntu gutsy beta?
[12:28] <nixternal> no
[12:28] <Tm_T> thanks, so I thought but wanted to be sure