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NickPresta!baddevice | ghozala12:39
ubotughozala: If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors12:39
ivan_kwin --replace &12:39
ugaivan_: compiz doesn't run any windeco by default12:39
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ghozalathen i try the same command12:40
ivan_To use window - decoration from kde U must install compiz-kde or emeral - to use emerald.12:40
ugaghozala: run alt+f2 and compiz --replace12:40
ugaghozala: then alt+f2 again, and run kde-window-deco12:40
ugatha tshould do12:40
ivan_type in terminal sudo apt-get install emerald.12:40
ugaivan_: nonono12:40
uga=)12:40
kkathmanthere seems to be continuing problems at least on my box, when you shut down under compiz-fusion - it always locks up the system, doing a kwin --replace seems to do the same thing unfortunately :(12:40
kkathmanotherwise, c-f runs great :)12:40
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ugaivan_: aquamarine is meant to be the one that runs kwin themes in compiz, but now it got replaced by kde-window-deco12:41
ugaghozala: sorry, kde-window-decorator12:41
ugais the whole name12:41
ivan_somebody know how to install vmware-console without vmware?12:42
ghozalauga:Could not run the specified command12:42
ugathen you are missing the install. A second12:42
ugaghozala: sudo apt-get install compiz-kde12:42
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ghozalaok uga then i try the same command agian12:44
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ivan_uga: sudo apt-get install compiz compiz-kde emerald compizconfig-settings-manager || compiz --replace &12:44
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gabisdfsdfs12:45
ghozalauga: i type this on the terminal12:45
ghozalaam i right as it is12:46
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ivan_uga: emeral is better, then compiz-kde. Go to the http://kde-look.org and get nice window decorations for emerald.12:47
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ghozalaivan i got compiz already12:48
u0643589_hola12:48
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ghozalatell me plz what can i do to get the best results12:48
ivan_ghozala: and emerald too?12:48
ghozalaok give me the command to get it12:48
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ivan_ghozala: troubles with decorations?12:49
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ghozalaya12:50
ugasorry, I had a glitch =)12:50
ugaghozala: kde-window-decorator didn't help?12:50
bazhangThanks! Oddly enough, when I did simply compiz --replace I lost the title bars, and the ability to type; the mouse worked fine,  and could access all the menus, but no input. alt f2 and compiz --replace & (after logging out and in again) set me right. Cheerrs!12:50
ghozalafrom two hours i cant apply one new theme12:50
tekstacywhat is the command to stop x12:50
ivan_ghozala: use emerld.12:50
ugaghozala: I just started it up here. "compiz --replace" and then afterwards "kde-window-decorator --replace"12:50
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ghozalain run or in konsole12:51
ivan_ghozala: in terminal: sudo apt-get install emeralg || compiz --replace & || emerald --replace &12:51
ugaghozala: whichever you prefer12:51
tekstacyrun12:51
MinatakuDr_willis... isn't here12:52
ugaivan_: emerald or kde-window-decorator should do the same, except kde-window-decorator will  use kde themes, which are much more consistent12:52
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hydrogenivan_: that looks like its going to not do what you want12:52
tekstacyI need to dpkg -reconfigure, but I ned to stop it first12:52
hydrogenunless you want it to install emerald or start compiz or try to start emerald12:52
ivan_uga: i don't like kde themes with compiz.12:52
ugaivan_: oh well, if you don't mind having a subset of functionality with buttons in the window deco, then you're fine with emerald12:53
ugaivan_: either emerald or kde-window-decorator will do12:53
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ivan_uga: :) I do.12:53
ugaboth do the same thing12:53
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ugaivan_: I just love being able to say that an app goes on all desktops, or having the help button there12:54
Bleephi can someone give me a link to a .deb file? its called pppd.... or ppp12:54
ugaivan_: or the fullscreen option12:54
biovoreBleep: apt-cache search pppd12:54
biovoreBleep: apt-cache search ppp12:54
Bleepi have no internet on laptop12:54
biovoreoh..12:55
biovorepackages.ubuntu.com12:55
biovoredo a seach.. then click to download deb12:55
biovorealso shows dependancies you will need12:55
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tekstacyAnyone know the run command to turn off x?12:56
Bleepwow ty... thats so hard to find on their website and google :D12:56
biovoretekstacy: /etc/init.d/kdm stop12:56
biovoreas root12:56
biovoreor gdm if your running gdm12:57
Daisuke_Idoor xdm if you're running xdm12:57
Daisuke_Idoor...12:57
Daisuke_Idoyeah, you get the picture12:57
tekstacyCool, thanks!12:57
bazhangkde-window-decorator --replace & is crazy! when you mouse over various start menu categories, the items window floats out--very cool.12:58
ugabazhang: I'd think that's due to compiz, not only about kde-window-decorator?12:59
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ugaor maybe I'm wrong12:59
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Mr_Sonomasounds to me like a compiz effect too01:01
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ugaunless the window decorator recognises thsoe as different windows01:01
bazhanguga: no doubt; it's just instead of emerald. can't wait to see what KDE4 can do with this.01:01
ugabazhang: heh, kde4 runs its own "compiz" =)01:01
emilsedghbazhang: i think kde4 .0 cannot do much for you01:02
ugaI found that slowish last time I tried01:02
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ugaemilsedgh: ?01:02
ugaemilsedgh: it can =)01:02
emilsedghuga: kwin's compositing isnt very nice atm...01:02
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biovorekde4 is in need of much more development.. something time will only cure..01:02
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ugaemilsedgh: give time to time. there were very useful features there01:02
ugarather than toys01:02
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emilsedghuga: last time i tried, it justed distroyed everything, let me try again :)01:03
ugalol, you're running svn, I suppose01:03
bazhangemilsedgh: really? the way it looks now, yeah, but KDE 3.5.7 is so much nicer than a year ago--I used to loathe it, and now it's pretty sweet.01:04
emilsedghuga: no :(01:04
ugaah, I don't use betas01:04
ugawhoever thought of packaging betas... =)01:04
MinatakuI've used betas before01:04
MinatakuHeck, a number of my machines are running NetBSD 4.0RC101:05
ugaMinataku: kde4 betas aren't usable01:05
emilsedghjust, could i run a command in a runlevel, but it runs in a different runlevel?01:05
MinatakuHeh01:05
ugaand not representative of what they will be either01:05
Minatakuuga: That would be the difference, then ;301:05
ugaso why package them01:05
Mr_Sonomabetas aren't always bad =) but some are awfully buggy, but their supposed to be arent they??? *grin*01:05
ugathey are supposed to be, yes01:05
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Daisuke_Idothere's a difference in how people use "beta"01:06
Daisuke_Idothere's "google beta", which is everything pretty much works, maybe a tiny issue once in a great while01:06
Daisuke_Idoand there's "microsoft beta", which is also known as vista01:07
ugaLOL01:07
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emilsedgh:D01:08
emilsedghand real beta, which means unusable :D01:08
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Daisuke_Idoemilsedgh: i JUST covered that...01:08
kinhello its me bleep!01:08
kinvia kubuntu :D:D:D\01:08
bazhanghello!01:08
emilsedghdidnt see it, sorry Daisuke_Ido01:09
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kinfinally... adsl on kubuntu01:09
Daisuke_Idoemilsedgh: yeah, see where it says "microsoft beta"?01:09
emilsedghoh!01:09
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bazhangkin: nice.01:09
emilsedghDaisuke_Ido: no no,  microsoft softwares are always in beta mode :D01:09
quixogreback01:09
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Daisuke_Idoemilsedgh: nah, sp1 is release candidate, sp2 is usable01:10
Daisuke_Idotraditionally, anyway01:10
bazhangthis time vista is early alpha.01:10
emilsedghDaisuke_Ido: is that? i dont think so, never tried it...01:10
Daisuke_Idoi hate windows, i really do, but xp sp2 is by far the closest they've gotten to getting it right01:10
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Bleepguess what......01:10
Daisuke_Idodid you let the blue smoke out?01:11
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Bleepim finally liberated from the evil world of microsoft01:12
Bleepnow i can start being independent01:12
bazhangBleep: yes!01:13
ardchoilleBleep: Good job!01:13
Bleepim so happy now...01:13
ardchoilleI love it when that happens :)01:13
bazhanga question for the experts: are desktops more stable than laptops with Linux?01:14
quixogrei've got a poll-type question...can anyone recommend a good free game for linux?01:14
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quixogrebazhang: the big difference is in wireless support imho01:14
ardchoillequixogre: crack-attack, lbreakout2, chromiumBSD01:14
Bleepi needed ppp and pptp installed and some configuration guide to get adsl runnin01:14
bazhangquixogre: frozen bubble.01:14
biovoreBleep: pppoe?01:14
Bleepno pppoe01:15
quixogrelaptops run linux/ubunutu fairly well. only problem now, is that wifi support for ubuntu/linux is sketchy at best01:15
biovorewell blame the wifi manufactures.. the only one that has offical support is intell01:15
biovoreall the other wifi stuff is a hack a best01:16
biovoreor basement built01:16
bazhangquixogre: I had heard on another channel that laptops had more heat issues than desktops, and that is area Linux could improve upon.01:16
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Bleephmm i should post the solution in the forums... i'm just lucky to find the solution with google in a hard way01:16
quixogrebazhang: only because linux doesnt heat up processors/eat memory the way windoze do01:17
bazhangquixogre: true.01:17
biovore^ I don't know about that one..01:17
biovoreI put a hurting on here.01:17
biovorethen again. running at 100% for over 10 hours will do that..01:17
bazhanghas anyone seen the firefox addon for ubuntuforums?01:17
quixogrebiovore: yeah, but linux as a whole uses fewer cycles than windows01:18
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quixogrebiovore. vista REQUIRES 1 gig of memory...01:18
biovorequixogre: depends.. still..  windows is a memory hog because of graphics..01:18
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biovoreand dll's method kinda sucks..01:18
biovore.so (shared objects) are more memory efficent..01:19
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quixogrei want to find a RTS game for linux...test out the graphics capabilities now that i got hardware up and running01:20
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bazhangjust curious; if Linux has protected memory, then how can a whole system crash? shouldn't it just be an individual application? Or is that a hardware issue? or javascript?01:20
quixogrebaz technically, windows has protected memory...01:21
quixogreand they been crashing for YEARS01:21
bazhangquixogre: so does OS X...01:21
quixogremeh. never p[layed with macs01:22
quixogremacs make me feel like im being spoonfed. not sure why01:22
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bazhangquixogre: I have; got an intel imac before I got bit by the Linux bug, and it's slow compared to Linux running on a comparable machine--core duo01:23
kinmy adsl seems to be at the slow side when i visit youtube are gamespot... whats the cause of that?01:23
kinor01:23
Chousukebazhang: when something causes the whole system to crash it usually means it was some driver that did something wrong in kernelspace01:24
bazhangkin: probably older version of flash.01:24
kinaha01:24
bazhangChousuke: thanks!01:24
Chousukebazhang: and that driver malfunction was triggered by the software01:24
mneptokbazhang: protected memory is not a silver bullet01:25
bazhangChousuke: that would explain wordpress +javascript +autosave +any Linux distro crash.01:25
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jhutchinsbazhang: java anything would explain the crash.01:26
bazhanggreat addon for firefox--not sure if it's snark or not--at www.fsckin.com01:26
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jhutchinsOh, there's a winning combo! java + firecrash!01:27
mneptokjhutchins: javascript is not related to java at all01:27
bazhangjhutchins: is java/javascript an exploit risk?01:27
biovorethats client side exploit maybe01:27
biovorenot on server though..01:27
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jhutchinsbazhang: yes, within your understanding of the java code you're running.01:28
bazhangjhutchins: firecrash--I love it! Konqueror is far better.01:28
bazhangjhutchins: which is nil.01:28
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jhutchinsbazhang: So I just got plunged back into desktop support running OS-X and XP, and I can't believe the stuff that you CAN'T do in either, that Just Works in Linux.  IE hard-crashed my macbook today, although it did have the grace to automatically reboot to OS-X01:29
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bazhangjhutchins: I wonder if it's possible to wipe OS X and install Linux over it? It's an intel core duo.01:31
biovorejhutchins: Mac + backing-up DVD --  nope..01:31
biovorebazhang: is basicly a normal pc01:31
jhutchinsbazhang: No, I have to have the Mac side too, but I'm thinking 3way boot.01:31
bazhangbiovore: could I run a liveCD on a Mac--start up from Kubuntu liveCD, for example?01:32
biovorenot sure..  I don't have a mac01:32
bazhangjhutchins: boot camp?01:33
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bazhangbiovore: thanks!01:33
kinuhm.... does kubuntu have firewall and virusscanner installed?01:34
jhutchinsbazhang: Yeah. I'm thinking VMWare is the ultimate solution.01:34
bazhangjhutchins: I've been using virtual box, it's not that bad.01:35
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jhutchinsLinux as the primary OS and the others as instant-access instead of multiboot.01:35
jhutchinsI hear there are killer problems with "Parallels".01:35
bazhangjhutchins: mac in vmware? Is that possible?01:36
jhutchinsThey've been dithering for a week about how to allocate a license for Office, so I got fed up and installed oo on the Windows side.  Think I'm going with oo-Aqua on the Mac.01:36
Dragnslcrkin- I believe iptables is installed by default. Not sure offhand what there are for GUI frontends for it01:37
jhutchinsbazhang: I have no idea.  As soon as i know, I'll be the only one within 500 miles who does know, and will bill accordingly <grin>!01:37
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jhutchinsDragnslcr: The text interfaces are better than the current GUI's, which are all broken in some way, but there are good attempts that might work for you.01:38
jhutchinsI'm using shorewall (text) which is way overkill.01:38
jhutchinsIt offers me a quick way to ban a specific IP; other than that I use raw iPTABLES scripts.01:38
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borisi have some data on usb HDD01:44
boriswich is format in xfs01:45
borisI can not reed date foromhdd01:45
borisineed help01:45
bazhangcan you try a rescue disk?01:45
borishow01:46
borisi ned thous data01:46
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bazhangnot sure about Kubuntu, but I believe Knoppix, among others has this feature; a liveCD that is good at that sort of thing.01:46
borislrm on /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw)01:46
DaSkreechJucato: What do you know about lancelot01:47
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JucatoDaSkreech: nothing except that it's supposed to be an alternative launcher for KDE401:48
DaSkreechA no mouse launcher right?01:48
Jucatoperhaps. like I said, that's the only thing I know01:48
DaSkreechok01:49
Jucatobut in case this is going where I think it's going, dunno if you've seen this: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=6094101:49
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jasonsdhi im told that i need the "gstreamer headers" to make sound work on pidgin built from source on my kubuntu box -- im not finding a package called that what should i be using?01:51
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Aloneahi, I wanted to try out kde4 beta 2, but I am not sure what I did wrong, I installed it, copied the file /usr/lib/.. to /usr/share/.. and edited the name entry to KDE 4 and put the 4 export lines above the /usr/lib/kde4/startkde thing. When I try to log into it, screen goes black, then shoots me back to the login screen01:52
Jucatojasonsd: try libgstreamer0.10-dev01:52
Jucatoer... the version number might be different01:52
jasonsdJucato: ok01:52
bazhangwill there be a 7.10 for ppc?01:53
Jucatoperhaps an unofficial one01:54
Jucato!ppc01:54
ubotuPowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ01:54
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bazhangJucato: thanks!01:55
bazhangI know about the Feisty version (unofficial); at any rate, there's no way that my old Powerbook could handle compiz-fusion.01:55
jasonsdim trying to build pidgin from source -- it builds but has no sound -- anyone have any advice01:56
jasonsd?01:56
Aloneaer wait, this line kind of confuses me. : To run it as a full session copy /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop to /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop01:56
AloneaDo I copy the kde.desktop file to the xsessions folder? or do I copy kde.desktop to xsessions folder and rename it to kde4.desktop?01:56
Jucatothe latter01:57
ardchoilleIf he copies, then renames, won't that mess up the existing kde.desktop file?01:58
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Jucatooh yeah01:58
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Jucatobut if he uses cp, it won't01:58
ardchoilleok01:58
ardchoillecp doesn't overwite?01:59
Jucatothe command would be "cp  /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop"01:59
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ardchoilleJucato: Ah, yeah, that keeps from having the problem I assumed he would have02:00
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Aloneabrb. gonna see if this works now.02:02
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ardchoilleIf I want to switch kdm themes from the command line, which file do I edit?02:03
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Jucatogutsy or pre-gutsy?02:05
ardchoilleFeisty. It's different on Gutsy?02:05
Jucatoyes02:05
Jucatopre-gutsy: /etc/kde3/kdm/kmdrc02:05
Jucatogutsy, you can use a file override and set it in /etc/default/kdm.d/02:06
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VSpikeWhen I drag windows sideways, I get "tearing" along vertical edges.  Is this pretty normal?02:06
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ardchoilleJucato: Wow, sounds lke gutsy is going to change a lot of stuff02:07
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ardchoilleVSpike: I've never seen that here.02:07
Jucatoardchoille: that change is from Debian Etch02:07
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ardchoilleJucato: Yeah, and I'm starting to see a lot of /path/*.d stuff02:08
VSpikeardchoille: if you drag a foregroudn window over other windows, do you get any trails or flicker on the window behind?02:08
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ardchoilleVSpike: No, but I have nvidia drivers installed for my card.02:08
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VSpikeardchoille: me too02:08
ardchoilleJucato: As in /etc/apt/sources.list.d I'm assuming you can specify sources there like you can with yum02:09
VSpikeardchoille: I always thought my X performance sucked02:09
VSpikeardchoille: resizing windows looks horrendous too02:10
Jucatoardchoille: yes. that's how wine intructs users to add its repo. not in sources.list directly02:10
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ardchoilleVSpike: :(02:10
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ghozalaHELP!!!!!hay i get emerald and i install and i got some themes for it but i didnt know how to activate it02:11
Aloneaok, so now it goes to a black screen and stays there instead of throwing me back to the login screen02:11
Alonea@@02:11
VSpikeThings look better with compiz-fusion running, but resizing is still slow.  However, video output of kaffeine and vlc something has some problems under compiz, and I also get some stability problems when switching between X sessions02:11
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VSpikeIt's so annoying ... i used vista the other day on a 300 HP machine and it's as smooth as butter by comparison02:12
Aloneaany ideas as to what is the problem or am I just sol?02:12
ardchoilleVSpike: But Linux is more secure and stable.. by comparison ;)02:12
bazhangVSpike: surely you jest.02:13
Aloneaits great when you get the blue screen in vista, mind this was the beta version, but it was the last beta before release02:13
VSpikebazhang: not at all02:13
ardchoilleAlonea: beta is still beta02:13
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VSpikebazhang: given vista's rep, that makes me think something must be wrong with my setup02:13
bazhangVSpike: I've used Vista on a Sony Vaio, with 2 GB of ram, and it was as slow as a dog.02:14
PitabredIt shouldn't be dog slow with 2 gigs of RAM unless you have slow video drivers or something02:14
bazhangVSpike: could be.02:14
ardchoilleVSpike: Given my experiences with nvidia on more than 100 machines, I think your setup is messed up somehow.02:14
ghozalavista is appearance not performance02:14
PitabredPerhaps the readyboost or whatever was caching files in the background02:14
Aloneaardchoille: indeed, and I do not wish to have the actual vista. now a friend of mine who does have vista and hers keeps crashing all the time, but I also don't know how she has it set up or how much ram she has02:15
VSpikebazhang: I'm not sure about application performance as such, but the UI itself was smooth... not flicker, smooth fades, etc02:15
ghozalaHELP!!!!!hay i get emerald and i install and i got some themes for it but i didnt know how to activate it02:15
Daisuke_Idoghozala: do you have beryl or compiz installed?02:15
VSpikeardchoille: secure I'd agree with .. I'm still not sure about stability, compared to XP at least.  Depends how you define stability I guess02:15
ardchoilleghozala: join #ubuntu-effects02:15
Aloneaanyway, anyone tried out the kde 4 beta 2?02:15
ghozalai got emerald02:15
bazhangVSpike: I'll give you that, but when playing music (or other media), networking drops to 10 percent!02:15
Daisuke_Idoghozala: that wasn't the question02:16
bazhangAlonea: yes, lots of work to be done yet.02:16
VSpikebazhang: that you could well be right about :) I didn't really use the machine that much, just dragged windows around and went "ooh"02:16
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ghozalai got emerald theme manger02:16
Aloneabazhang: ah, I just wanted to look at it, but alas I cannot seem to get into said system.02:16
ardchoilleAlonea: I heard that kde4 is barely useable02:16
ghozalaand compiz02:16
Daisuke_Idookay02:16
ardchoilleghozala: join #ubuntu-effects02:17
bazhangAlonea: it's really not usable.02:17
Daisuke_Idothen #ubuntu-effects can help02:17
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Aloneaah, ok. figures then. Guess I will stop trying then.02:17
bazhangVSpike: you should see the web page called a 'cost analysis of windows vista'02:18
Aloneasounds like beryl on my comp. completely unusable. ^__^ course I have ati card and thus I am pretty much doomed anyway for anything to do with graphics02:18
slackernAlonea: which card you got?02:18
PitabredI actually had decent luck with my old Radeon 9600 mobile and Linux02:18
bazhangAlonea: are you using feisty?02:18
Aloneaslackern: on a laptop, ati xpress 200m02:19
Aloneabazhang: yeah.02:19
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slackernAlonea: hmm is that a r5xx or r6xx gpu?02:19
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bazhangAlonea: I got beryl working fine on a really old (7years) ati card.02:19
bazhangati 340M02:20
VSpikeI really hate the way that KDE doesnt have an option to resize with an outline instead of resizing window contents live, which doesn't freeze the whole desktop02:20
Aloneaslackern: have no idea. never seen r anything before. its an hp pavillion 8113cl02:20
slackernAlonea: You could have a look here might give an idea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units02:20
slackernAlonea: I have problems myself with my x1950 pro card but my 9800Pro card works great02:21
bazhangAlonea: I think Gutsy will get you going.02:21
PitabredVSpike: what do you mean?  Go to the control center, then the Window Behavior widget, and under the "Moving" tab you can uncheck "display content in resizing windows"02:21
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Aloneabazhang: you mean, with gusty I can get beryl to work?02:22
slackernI have all my hope in the new radeonhd (opensource) drivers that are being developed, running them right now or have been for a week now or so, works good but no acceleration yet with them02:22
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VSpikePitabred: if you do that, try resizing a window, and while you are holding the window edge, all display updates in all windows will be frozen02:23
DaSkreechHi Alonea02:23
bazhangAlonea: well, in gutsy, it's compiz-fusion; beryl and compiz have rejoined.02:23
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PitabredMy Konsole is still showing updates when I run an "apt-get update" while resizing another window...?02:24
Aloneahey DaSkreech02:24
Aloneabazhang: ah ok, its been a while since I have tried. is it easier to install this time around?02:24
Pitabredvideo still plays, too02:25
VSpikePitabred: mine doesnt02:25
Pitabred...what video drivers are you using?  I've got Gutsy + Nvidia + Compiz02:25
VSpikePitabred: feisty + nvidia + kde 3.5.702:26
Aloneabazhang: as it is I managed to get fglrx and that was it.02:26
bazhangAlonea: no need to install; in gutsy it's there by default--at least in Ubuntu--in Kubuntu (this beta) I had to install a few packages, and magic!02:26
PitabredWeird. I've got KDE 3.5.7 here, too02:26
Aloneabazhang: oh? I might have to try this, but not right this second. I don't want to screw up my computer at the moment.02:27
VSpikePitabred: are you running compiz? because that could change things I'd imagine02:27
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VSpikePitabred: if you are running compiz, that setting in KDE shouldnt have any effect surely, because it would be a kwin setting02:27
PitabredIt could, but that'd be very strange for the KDE window manager to not be multi-threaded02:27
bazhangAlonea: you should wait until the final comes out. well worth the wait; I'm running Kubuntu Gutsy beta and not any problems, but if it's you're only machine, then best hold on.02:28
PitabredAnd yes, it does have an effect02:28
VSpikeI know you can get the same in compiz from ccsm02:28
PitabredI have the KDE integration packages installed, so compiz respect's KDE's window manager settings02:28
ghozalaHELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i need support ive got emerald and compiz in my system noting works what can i do to fix it02:28
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VSpikePitabred: ah, but it's still compiz doing the resizing.  I get the same if I enable compiz02:29
bazhangghozala: try hitting alt +f2, then typing compiz --replace &, followed by kde-window-decorator --replace &. That should set you up.02:29
VSpikePitabred: try switching to kwin02:29
SlimeyPeteghozala: I'm afraid I can't offer you any assistance myself but if no-one else here can help you you may wish to ask in #ubuntu-effects. #ubuntu-effects is a channel which is dedicated to compiz/beryl on Ubuntu.02:30
VSpikePitabred: and agreed on the strangeness, especially since it works fine if you allow it to show the window contents02:30
bazhangghozala: or you can type alt +f2, and emerald --replace &; I think KDE looks cooler, but that's just me.02:30
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VSpikebazhang: agreed .. i tried all the emerald themes and went back to KDE decoration :)02:31
vellakdI'm having a problem with adept updater. It says that there is another instance open. Any ideas of what to do?02:31
bazhangVSpike: have you seen the way that new sub menus just float out? cool or what?02:32
Daisuke_Idothe emerald themes are good for two things02:32
Daisuke_Idocloning vista02:32
Daisuke_Idoand cloning OS X02:32
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bazhangvellakd: assuming you are not updating at the moment, then log out and log in again.02:33
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BluesKajvellakd, make sure apt and synaptic aren't running ...if not then : sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock02:33
Daisuke_Idowhat?02:33
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bazhangDaisuke_Ido: and who would want to clone those two? Linux is much better looking...02:34
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jasonsdim trying to get wav files to play on my kubuntu - ive installed gstreamer0.10, the alsa plugin, the base plugin pack and the good plugin pack - -what else do i need to do?02:34
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BluesKajvista home premium has nice eyecandy if you're into that kind of thing02:34
vellakdBlusKaj: checked top (don't know what else to check) for any instances, and found none. I also tried the command, and it seemed to do nothing.02:34
BluesKaj!adeptfix02:35
ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 02:35
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bazhangjasonsd: well, if it's like other files, then a simple double click on it will launch a menu asking if you want to install all the codecs. works for mp3s, dvd and so on.02:35
vellakdIs this only a temporary fix, or a permanent one?02:36
ghozalawhy when i type compiz --replace & the screen goes white02:36
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jasonsdbazhang: ok02:36
ghozalaand i cant do anything to restore it back02:36
BluesKajor vellakd , you may have a stalled install which didn't finish02:36
bazhangghozala: what's your video card?02:37
ghozalanividia02:37
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vellakdBluesKaj: I don't think it was that (this isn't my computer; I'm fixing it for someone else); the regular user of it is pretty good about proper shutdowns02:37
ghozalafx 550002:37
bazhangghozala: do you have the proper drivers?02:37
vellakdBluesKaj: it also seems to be working now (seems, anyway). Thanks for the help.02:37
BluesKajvellakd, what about updates02:37
ghozalait is automatically installed02:38
chris__I've installed kubuntu-desktop, but when I login, I get Gnome, how do I make the switch?02:38
vellakdBluesKaj: it is now updating.02:38
ghozalaand the appearance of the desktop is good and the resolution is high02:38
BluesKajyeah, that adeptfix command just fixes and doesn't indicate the fact02:38
bazhangghozala: ok. and you have compizconfig setting manager installed, along with compiz core and emerald?02:38
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nosrednaekimchris__: are you using kdm? or the normal gnome login manager...02:39
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luboshow do I skip xdm authentication ... ?02:39
vellakdBluesKaj: yeah, I would rather have some output on that, as oppsed to nothing :/02:39
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ghozalayeah02:39
chris__not sure how to answer that... after I installed kubuntu-desktop, the login screen changed to K02:39
chris__but after I login, everything else is Gnome02:39
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nosrednaekimchris__: ah ok,well in the bottom of the login screen there are two buttons, somewhere on one of them there will be a "sessions" select "KDE"02:40
chris__Do I need to logout to try that?02:40
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nosrednaekimchris__: yeah02:40
chris__brb02:40
BluesKajvellakd, agreed :)02:41
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luboshow do i skip xdm authentication?02:41
ghozalabazhang: do u have any idea what can i do to fix that problem02:41
bazhangyou know how to install stuff using adept, right?02:42
vellakdBluesKaj: Well, thanks again; the user wants him computer back now ;)02:42
ghozalayup02:42
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bazhangghozala: go to adept, and do a search for compiz; there should be something like compiz extra plugins.02:42
ghozalayes02:43
ghozalainstall it02:43
bazhangchoose to install that, and for good measure, install emerald--the rest will be updated automatically.02:43
Daisuke_Idoheya nosredna02:44
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nosrednaekimDaisuke_Ido: heya...02:44
nosrednaekimDaisuke_Ido: gutsy upgrade didn't work well for me..02:44
nosrednaekimDaisuke_Ido: no suspend (stupid ATI drivers)02:44
BluesKajnosrednaekim, yeah, you may have to go into synaptic/edit/fix brokenpkges....it worked for me02:45
nosrednaekimBluesKaj: nope... nothing there. Its an ATI driver problem for sure. when I disable fglrx it works flawlessly02:46
bazhangghozala: you all set?02:47
nosrednaekimBluesKaj: are you on gutsy?02:47
BluesKajyup02:47
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nosrednaekimoh... hmm and you have the same chipset as me as well..02:47
nosrednaekimodd02:47
ghozalabazhang: no i didnt find it i am trying to look it up at synaptic02:47
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Daisuke_Idoouch02:48
Daisuke_Idoyou drop back to feisty?02:48
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bazhangghozala: are you on ubuntu or kubuntu?02:48
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ghozalakubuntu02:48
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JpSSgtRockHi, all02:48
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JpSSgtRockI've got a CUPS installation that insists that it's loaded with A4 instead of letter.02:49
BluesKajnosrednaekim, the new HD ATI driver for the Radeon 2900 works on my X200G like a charm02:49
nosrednaekimDaisuke_Ido: nah.. I'll try to figure it out02:49
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nosrednaekimBluesKaj: I think i'm going to try it again.02:49
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nosrednaekimBluesKaj: and that is very good to hear02:49
JpSSgtRockI've set /etc/papersize to letter, deleted and re-added the printer, and verified that it is set to letter.02:49
BluesKajnosrednaekim, http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide02:50
JpSSgtRockThe CUPS test page still comes out too short.  Page Size is listed as 8.25x10.38 in or 209.6x263.6mm02:50
JpSSgtRockAny ideas?02:50
nosrednaekimBluesKaj: gutsy here... but i'll look at it.02:50
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BluesKajyes gutsy here too, nosrednaekim02:50
ghozalabazhang: i am on kubuntu and i found compiz-kde and libdecoratin and compiz-core and emerald installed to my system02:51
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nosrednaekimok02:51
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chris__Awesome, thanks!02:52
nosrednaekimchris__: that work?02:52
chris__Now for my second question... whenever it sleeps, hibernates ... etc02:52
nosrednaekimyeah....02:52
chris__Yes, I'm very happy02:52
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chris__I cannot get the video signal to come back02:53
chris__I need to reboot after sleeping/hibernating02:53
nosrednaekimBluesKaj: I'm on Amd64, and I tried directly running the installer. seems it  doesn't like it. maybe generating debs will work.02:53
ghozalaHELP!!!!!!! i am on kubuntu and i found compiz-kde and libdecoratin and compiz-core and emerald installed to my system AND I CANT CHANGE MY THEME02:53
Aloneabazhang: if I really wanted to, I could make another partition and do that. I have 2 hard drives on here and plenty of room on my first. I have windows on hd0 and linux on hd1.02:53
nosrednaekimchris__: well, ussually if its not working, it won't work ;)02:54
chris__boo02:54
nosrednaekimchris__: do you have the proprietary ATI drivers installed?02:54
nosrednaekimor nvidia02:54
chris__afaik02:54
chris__on Gnome I would use Synaptic manager to check02:54
nosrednaekimAFAYK what?02:54
chris__how can I check on kde02:55
chris__as far as I know02:55
chris__I installed nvidia-glx-new02:55
nosrednaekimchris__: you can run synaptic in KDE02:55
chris__I think it was02:55
nosrednaekimchris__: ah..ok02:55
bazhangghozala: I think you need the extra plugins to get it going--at least stuff like ring switcher, expo, etc. I found it no problem with Adept--that comes standard with gutsy 7.10 kubuntu beta.02:55
Daisuke_Idoghozala: as you've been told a few times now, go to #ubuntu-effects02:55
bazhangAlonea: wow! triple or quad-boot!02:56
chris__ah yes, found it02:56
Daisuke_Idowe are *not* the compositing experts02:56
nosrednaekimwe are the impostering experts;)02:56
bazhanghahahaha02:56
chris__another symptom, several icons are missing from my menus02:56
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BluesKajoh, nosrednaekim , a warning , make sure you follow the uninstall instructions of the old driver before installing the new one.02:56
nosrednaekimBluesKaj: you mean uninstall the proprietary one first from apt? or is there something special...02:57
bazhangchris__: gutsy?02:58
chris__bazhang: pardon?02:58
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bazhangchris__: are you running Gutsy beta?02:58
chris__I think I have Feisty, how do I confirm that?02:58
BluesKaji mean this , nosrednaekim : http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide02:59
nosrednaekimchris__: you have fiesty of you didn't purposefully upgrade02:59
NickPrestachris__, lsb_release -a02:59
nosrednaekimBluesKaj: ah ok... following to the letter02:59
BluesKajthen nosrednaekim , here's the driver : http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeonhdd.html02:59
chris__feisty03:00
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nosrednaekimBluesKaj: yeah.. I already have it03:00
BluesKajok, tvtime with wifey...BBL03:00
bazhangchris__: sometimes in feisty I had the same thing; especially when adding new programs--it would take a log out (reboot?) to fix it.03:01
nosrednaekimBluesKaj: k03:01
nosrednaekimthanks03:01
chris__I have noticed this over the past week03:02
chris__Just installed Ubuntu about two weeks ago03:02
nosrednaekimchris__: oh... it used to work?03:02
chris__Don't think so03:02
chris__took me a while to realize which install was hozing it up when I walked away03:02
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chris__sometime I still boot to XP03:02
chris__which hibernates pretty well03:02
JpSSgtRockAny ideas on my CUPS question?03:03
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bazhangchris__: it's hard to make the switch.03:03
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nosrednaekimchris__: yeah... suspend is one of the hard things to get working with linux, and its pretty much hit or miss03:04
bazhangchris__: feisty had some wireless issues for my laptop--they seem ok now in gutsy beta.03:04
bazhangchris__: it really is worth sticking with, though.03:04
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chris__I couldn't agree more03:05
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chris__Have been debating whether to put Ubuntu on my laptop03:05
chris__since XP makes it pretty slow these days03:05
chris__Thought maybe something a bit more light weight03:06
chris__but the install has been pretty painless03:06
chris__I tried OpenSUSE and the install was like debugging in assembly03:06
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bazhangchris__: hahaha03:07
nosrednaekimchris__: gutsy fixed two of my problems (wireless and sound) but killed my suspend with the ATI drivers03:07
nosrednaekimchris__: but that is really ATI's fault03:07
fairesDoes somebody knows if there's a KDE graphical software that converts ps to pdf?03:08
chris__Gnome had some really cool screensaver pics03:09
chris__Where can I find them to use in KDE?03:09
fairesIt can be either a drop-down option than a software that opens ps and allows you to save on pdf...03:10
Hirvinenfaires: I think KPDF converts ps to pdf before displaying it and it could then be saved.03:11
bazhangchris__: don't really remember in feisty, but kubuntu gutsy comes with a ton of screensavers. you could try kde-look.org03:11
Hirvinenfaires: But what do you need a GUI for? Do you need to edit as well as convert?03:12
Jucatofaires: answered in the other channel03:12
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fairesHirvinen: no, I don't. In fact, I'm trying to get rid of konsole need, in order to better help my non-computer related friends on using kubuntu03:14
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fevelcan someone help me? I executed sudo nautilus& and now every time I login inside kde asks for my password03:14
fairesJucato: I didn't know "Print as PDF". Thanks a lot...03:14
pramodHello Everyone03:14
fairesHirvinen: thanks a lot as well, I'll user pdf...03:14
faireskpdf*03:14
Jucatofaires: almost all apps w/ printing capabilities have a Print to File (PDF)03:14
bazhangpramod: hi!03:14
fairesJucato: I didn't know it...03:15
Jucatonow you do :)03:15
fevelits execute as root KDE su03:15
fairesJucato: I don't have a printer... :)03:15
fairesSo I seldom use the print menu03:15
pramodis it necessary to install an Antivirus for Kubuntu?03:15
Jucatoneither did I until  this year. but I discovered that03:15
Jucato!antivirus | pramod03:15
ubotupramod: antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus03:15
Jucato!linuxvirus | pramod03:15
ubotupramod: The short life and hard times of a Linux Virus http://librenix.com/?inode=2103:15
nosrednaekimchris__: not sure where Gnome keeps its wallpapers.03:16
Hirvinenfaires: I suggest that you just teach them not to fear the command line as for a task of this type it is just so much simpler.03:16
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pramodthanx guys...03:16
fairesHirvinen: for that I should get over their preconcepts... I'm not a psychologist, and am not intending of becoming one... :)03:16
bazhangnosrednaekim: I think it's at gnome-look.org03:16
fairesI just want them to use something better and more correct than Windows... :)03:17
chris__Ok here's a good KDE question03:17
nosrednaekimbazhang: he means on his own computer03:17
chris__Oh Gnome, I was able to see my other HD, not sure how to find it with KDE03:17
bazhangchris__: shoot.03:17
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bazhangchris__: system menu, storage media.03:18
nosrednaekimchris__: in the file browser, put "media:/" in the location bar03:18
pramodwell Linux do not need any Antivirus programs... :D  coool03:19
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chris__media:/ worked03:20
chris__could not find a "storage media" in my system menu03:20
chris__oh junk03:20
chris__can't open the drive!?03:20
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paule118lirfk03:20
paule118<y03:21
chris__hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 100003:21
bazhangchris__: my bad; I forgot that Feisty uses Konqueror as the file browser--in Gutsy it's Dolphin, Konqueror is web browser.03:21
paule118</03:21
chris__Gnome prompted me for the root pwd03:21
paule118>(03:21
chris__Konqueror is both is it not?03:21
paule118>)03:21
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NickPresta!flood | paule11803:21
ubotupaule118: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)03:21
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bazhangchris__: I'm guessing yes.03:22
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bazhangouch03:22
christopher_wow lol it exists i jus typed in #kubuntu and it is here how nifty03:22
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NickPrestathanks Jucato03:22
Jucatonp03:22
Jucatoanyone else wanna do that? :)03:22
bazhangwow that was quick. thanks Jucato.03:23
chris__is there a better file browser than Konquerer?03:23
NickPrestaheh. he must have been testing emoticons or something..03:23
nosrednaekimchris__: you mean,more like Nautilus?03:23
bazhangchris__: for feisty, not so sure.03:23
ardchoilleJucato: What? Ban annoying users? I sure do ;)03:23
christopher_dolphin?03:23
Jucatoemoticons on konvi? I don't think so :)03:23
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Jucatochris__: "better" is relative/subjective...03:23
bazhangJucato: hahaha03:23
chris__darned if I know... I'll assume nautilus is the gnome file browser03:23
Jucatothere are alternatives if that's what you mean03:24
Jucatoyes Nautilus definitely is 100% GNOME's03:24
christopher_dolphin is easier but less powerful than konquer03:24
chris__indeed, sorry, I meant, one that would be able to access my other HD03:24
Jucato(and GNOME's alone, thank goodness!)03:24
NickPrestachris__, both Dolphin and Konqueror are good file browsers. There are alternatives available: midnight commander, xfe, krusader03:24
nosrednaekimchris__: yup... if you want something more like that, use dolphin.03:24
nosrednaekimchris__: did you try going to media:/03:24
chris__ok, where is dolphin?03:24
chris__yes I did03:24
bazhangdolphin is sweet.03:24
ardchoille!info dolphin03:24
christopher_sudo apt-get intstall dolphin03:24
ubotudolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1251 kB, installed size 2252 kB03:24
chris__that's when I got the uid 1000 error03:24
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nosrednaekimchris__: oh I hate that error.03:25
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Jucatochris__: any file manager can access any of your hard drives as long as that drive is setup/mounted properly.03:25
nosrednaekimchris__: did nautilus prompt you for a password?03:25
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wckdkl0wnhow do i install tcl so i can compile an eggdrop?03:25
Jucatoso the problem is more than the file manager...03:25
Jucato!info eggdrop03:25
ubotueggdrop: Advanced IRC Robot. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.6.18-1 (feisty), package size 461 kB, installed size 1132 kB03:25
Jucatowckdkl0wn: ^^^^ don't need to compile03:26
christopher_ok i used gnome is there any configuring beyond point and click bc wow it is really restrictive03:26
ardchoilleJucato: Are universe and multiverse enabled by default in guts sources?03:26
christopher_if i want restrictions ill use xfce03:26
Jucatoardchoille: yes.03:26
ardchoilleNice03:26
chris__Yes nautilus prompted for a password03:26
nosrednaekimchris__: you can always use nautilus in KDE03:26
Jucatoardchoille: after feisty, all official repos, except -backports, are enabled03:26
wckdkl0wnJucato, so its in the repositories then03:27
christopher_i cant wait for dec 11 \:D/03:27
Jucatowckdkl0wn: definitely03:27
ardchoilleJucato: That is a good thing03:27
wckdkl0wnwell that makes this easier lol03:27
wckdkl0wnty Jucato03:27
chris__this seems like a big bug03:27
bazhangchristopher_: what happens then?03:27
christopher_kde4 release date03:27
chris__is dolphin not part of the standard KDE install?03:27
nosrednaekimchris__: no, its not.03:27
nosrednaekimnot in fiesty at least03:27
christopher_it will be the fm in kde 403:27
Jucatochris__: nope03:27
bazhangchristopher_: agreed.03:27
wckdkl0wnJucato, where would i find the directory once it has installed?03:27
Jucatowckdkl0wn: that I don't know. sorry03:28
christopher_its like kde loves us and is giving us a nice christmas present :)03:28
bazhangyep.03:28
nosrednaekimchris__: but dolphin won't fix that problem03:28
chris__Yep, nautilus can see it just fine03:29
chris__so should I just use nautilus?03:29
christopher_did you see what it is going to look like i stared at it for 10 mins03:29
christopher_if kde4 doesnt get users to switch idk what will03:29
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nosrednaekimchris__: yeah... thats probably easiest.03:30
bazhangchristopher_: kde now is really nice; kde4 will be amazing.03:30
christopher_cource it is taking alot from open darwin03:30
JucatoO.o03:31
nosrednaekimbeta2 is awful....03:31
nosrednaekimwhat???03:31
chris__oh weird03:31
bazhangchristopher_: which took from Linux/*Nix, correct?03:31
chris__after I accessed the HD with nautilus, now there's a desktop icon03:31
christopher_actually bsd03:31
chris__and it opens Konqueror, which can access the HD now03:31
JucatoKDE (4) has nothing (directly) to do with kernels03:32
christopher_bsd is a unix varient03:32
christopher_i like linux as it has a microkernel03:32
christopher_the whole 1 kernel for everything is kind of stupid03:32
christopher_and a security risc03:33
nosrednaekimchris__: lol03:33
Jucatoand offtopic, I might add03:33
chris__Ah! I found the "Storage Media" menu03:33
NickPrestaI've been doing a bit of research but I'm curious which Capture Card is best supported? Any suggestions?03:33
NickPresta!hardware03:33
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ubotuFor lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport03:33
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nosrednaekimNickPresta: HD5500 for sure03:33
choobakabhi guys, how do i apt-get kismet, and how do i edit the file for multiserv to get it03:33
choobakabhx03:33
choobakabhx03:33
chris__I suppose I got the "System" menu confused with the "System Menu"03:33
choobakabhi guys, how do i apt-get kismet, and how do i edit the file for multiserv to get it03:33
choobakabsorry for repeat03:33
chris__My bad03:33
bazhangchris__: great!03:33
choobakabhi guys, how do i apt-get kismet, and how do i edit the file for multiserv to get it03:34
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NickPrestanosrednaekim, thanks. I'm looking at it now. It says it's specifically designed for Linux. Will it work on Windows at all?03:34
nosrednaekimNickPresta: dunno, but its the absolute best for Linux03:34
christopher_99 percent of the time it is sudo apt-get install "apt-name"03:35
NickPrestanosrednaekim, okay. Is there any specific brand to stay away from? ATi? etc?03:35
Jucatochristopher_: btw, Linux kernel isn't microkernel. it's monolithic03:35
christopher_replace aptname with program03:35
nosrednaekimNickPresta: definately not ATI ;)03:35
choobakabok christopher_ i got that, but what is the file i need to unedit so i can get it... right now it says kismet not found..03:35
choobakabwhat file should i edit03:35
choobakabto be able to get kismet from a repository03:35
wckdkl0wnhrmm i cant find the eggdrop file i just installed with the repositories03:36
christopher_http://www.kismetwireless.net/03:36
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choobakabwell what file should i edit to remove the comment to be able to apt-get kisme03:36
choobakabtt03:36
choobakabwhat is the file that shiould be edited03:36
christopher_jucato sorry my bad03:36
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christopher_what are you trying to do03:37
christopher_???03:37
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choobakabinstall kismet03:37
choobakabfrom ap-get03:37
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choobakabbut i know there is a file i need to uncomment something to be able to get kismet from repository for multiserv03:37
choobakabwhere is the location of this file03:37
christopher_check synaptic it is there03:37
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jcs7778Is there a way to run network manager on kde insted of knetworkmanager which doesn't fulfill my needs?03:38
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christopher_K>Run Command>Synaptic03:38
christopher_and click over and type in the app name03:38
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christopher_i find a good 80 percent of apps here03:38
choobakabWHAT IS THE FILE I NEED TO EDIT TO BE ABLE TO RECIEVE FILES FROM UNISERV03:39
choobakabsorry for caps03:39
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christopher_choobakab03:39
choobakabyeah?03:39
christopher_start synaptic03:39
christopher_its there03:39
christopher_right click install03:39
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RobertStuffers!op | christopher_03:40
ubotuchristopher_: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!03:40
RobertStuffers!ops | christopher_03:40
bazhangchoobakab: I beleive you can do it from the gui; just check repositories.03:40
RobertStuffersany one using VistaLinux ?03:40
choobakabwhats synaptic?03:40
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Jucatochristopher_: what is the problem?03:40
christopher_he wants to install an app03:40
christopher_it exists in synaptic03:40
choobakabJucato:  i want to APT-GET kismet, but its not finding it03:40
christopher_it is a packagage handler03:40
christopher_it is under the system menu03:41
choobakabi think there is a file i need to uncomment to be able to get kismet03:41
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nosrednaekimchoobakab: ah... you need to enable repositories?03:41
choobakabyes03:41
nosrednaekim!repositories | choobakab03:41
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ubotuchoobakab: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu03:41
christopher_K>Run Command> and type in Synaptic03:41
DaSkreechRobertStuffers: Not a good use of !ops03:41
Jucatochristopher_: he would be on Kubuntu right?03:41
christopher_click reload03:41
nosrednaekimchristopher_: default kubuntu install does not have synaptic03:42
choobakabthe system could not run "Synaptic"03:42
christopher_then why do i have it...03:42
christopher_oops03:42
Jucatochoobakab: use Adept Manager03:42
christopher_sorry03:42
wckdkl0wnok how do i install tcl?03:42
christopher_how in the world did I get synaptic....03:42
christopher_lol03:42
Jucatowckdkl0wn: still trying to copmpile?03:42
choobakabwhat is the repository i need to add to be able to download linux03:42
choobakabsomeone paste me a link03:42
Jucatochristopher_: did you install Ubuntu on top of Kubuntu?03:42
christopher_Kubuntu on ubuntu03:42
Jucatochristopher_: there you have it03:42
wckdkl0wnyea Jucato i cant find that directory i am just gonna compile what i have03:42
christopher_ahh03:43
christopher_sorry03:43
Jucatochoobakab: you just need universe03:43
choobakabwhat is the link03:43
choobakabcan you paste me a link03:43
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choobakabor how to enable uniserve03:43
Jucato!universe03:44
ubotuThe packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu03:44
christopher_so is the kubuntu 7.10 tribe5 stable enough to use?03:44
christopher_or should i stick with 7.04 til it is done03:44
pramodare there third party sites where i can get new packages to add to the repositoy?03:44
pramodrepository*03:44
NickPrestapramod, getdeb.net03:45
NickPrestai believe03:45
Jucatochristopher_: 7.10 has been released03:45
Jucatoer03:45
Jucatobeta03:45
pramodu know the link which i can add?03:45
Jucatolol! I meant 7.10 beta03:45
choobakabCAN YOU PASTE ME THE LINK FOR THE UNISERV REPOSITORY03:45
choobakabPLEASE03:45
Jucato!caps | choobakab03:45
christopher_right is it stable enough? as stable as 7.0403:45
Jucatonope03:45
choobakabsorry caps my keyboard03:45
ubotuchoobakab: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.03:45
christopher_k ty ill stick with 04 fer now03:46
Jucatoyou're comparing final release to beta :)03:46
choobakabsorry my keygBord sorry03:46
choobakaberr03:46
choobakabso what is the link for uniserve?03:46
Jucatochoobakab: <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu03:46
christopher_will reactos ever be done...03:46
christopher_lol03:46
Jucatoask them03:47
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jcs7778choobakab:  as root user go into your /etc/apt/sources.list file and un comment the lines03:47
jcs7778deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe03:47
jcs7778deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe03:47
christopher_why didnt they use linux and all and just integrate wine and all the work they are wasting there could give Linux a real boost...03:47
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wersto uncomment is to remove the # if you are not familiar03:47
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Jucatochristopher_: see their FAQ03:48
SteamMachineHello Everyone!03:48
choobakabI ENAbled all the uniserve repositories from adept manger, however when i apt-get install kismet it says could not find package kismet...03:48
nosrednaekimhello SteamMachine03:48
nosrednaekimchoobakab: you have to update your package lists... press the update button03:48
NickPrestachoobakab, you have to `sudo apt-get update` first03:48
mneptokchoobakab: sudo apt-get update03:48
choobakabk thx03:49
SteamMachineSo, I was running kmplayer, when I somehow hid the menu bar. Now I'm not sure how to get it back.03:49
nosrednaekimtry "ctrl+m"03:49
DaSkreechSteamMachine: Ctrl+M03:49
SteamMachine<303:49
SteamMachineThanks.03:49
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SteamMachineOkay, seeya!03:50
nosrednaekimNP03:50
DaSkreech:-)03:50
DaSkreechDrive by helpings03:50
jcs7778Is there a way to connect to a peap network using knetworkmanager?03:51
nosrednaekimdrive by questions...03:51
bazhanghahaha03:51
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jcs7778It works fine under gnome networkmanager but the gnome desktop sucks i really don't want to have to switch to gnome to use my wireless connecton03:52
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Jucatoknetworkmanager uses the same backend application as gnome networkmanager...03:53
DaSkreechwhich is networkmanager :)03:54
bazhangjcs7778: are you using it on an encrypted network?03:54
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jcs7778It's a university encrypted wpa network that also needs my student id and password as an extra levle of security03:55
choobakabHOW DO I KDESU a file to be able to edit it with Kate?03:55
jcs7778it works fine on networkmanager under gnome but i can't figure it out at all on the kde side03:55
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choobakabHOW DO I KDESU a file to be able to edit it with Kate?03:56
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tekstacyWhat is the command to reconfigure x?03:56
HirvinenAlt+F2 -> kdesu kate file03:56
HirvinenOr just kate and open it from there.03:57
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tekstacyand do I use sudo with dpkg?03:57
wers!ksync gutsy03:57
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ksync gutsy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:58
wers!ksync03:58
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ksync - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:58
nzk_I tried running beryl-manager, which killed my window system. I ssh'd in and kill -9'd it, and uninstalled beryl-manager, but how do I get my window system back? I know in GNOME it's 'emerald', but I don't know what it's called in KDE.03:58
jcs7778kwin --replace03:58
nzk_Alright, thanks.03:58
Jucato!xconfig | tekstacy03:59
ubotutekstacy: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes03:59
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Hirvinentekstacy: With any command that needs root privileges, just precede it with sudo, or if the program is graphical, use kdesu (or gksu).03:59
nzk_Nevermind, that didn't work. It says it cannot connect to X server.03:59
tekstacyjucato, thanks03:59
tekstacyHirvinen, thanks03:59
jcs7778oh, your in the terminal only nzk did you try startx?04:00
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nzk_jcs7778: I'm ssh'd in using another machine.04:00
tekstacyStill kind of new here.04:01
nzk_I did startx to no avail.04:01
nzk_Should I just reboot?04:01
nosrednaekimnzk_: ctrl+alt+bckspce doesn't work?04:02
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nzk_Forgot about that, thanks.04:02
nosrednaekimnzk_: question...., do you have dektop icons hidden?04:02
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jcs7778bazhang:  It's a university encrypted wpa network that also needs my student id and password as an extra levle of security on the gnome side of the system is see an extra set of fields where i can input the password and id and ive tried it and it works but a similar thing doesn't happen on the kde side.04:07
bazhangjcs7778: well, then I would stick with the GNOME for now; you're on Feisty, correct?04:08
jcs7778yeah!04:08
bazhangjcs7778: maybe add some blue wallpaper...04:09
nosrednaekim;)04:09
nosrednaekimor maybe you could run the gnome networkmanager04:09
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jcs7778could try that :-)04:09
tekstacycan I be logged in twice (local and remote)?04:09
tekstacyI'm having trouble connecting to my desktop04:10
nosrednaekimtekstacy: yeah.. you can04:10
nosrednaekimtekstacy: you can even login twice locally04:10
tekstacycool. Thanks04:11
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intelikeysomeone op me.04:14
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quixogrethat work intelikey?04:15
jcs7778so no other suggestions about the network thing? Shouldn't you guies be trying your hardes to find a solution to my problem in kde insted of telling me to make gnome look like kde?04:16
intelikey/ban *!*@dialup-4.227.114.150.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net04:16
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intelikeyno guess not.04:16
quixogrejcs7778: when your entering your username and PW in knetworkmanager try adding @domainname.edu or whatever their domain name is. add that to the username part. see if it works04:17
intelikeygone04:17
quixogredamn. i knew the answer to that problem too04:17
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quixogreintelikey who you kickin'? and why?04:18
intelikeyno one obviously.  i'm not an oper04:18
quixogrehehe lemme rephrase...who were you TRYING to ban?04:19
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intelikeythat's my ip.04:19
bazhanghaha04:19
mneptokintelikey: need some help?04:19
mneptok:)04:19
quixogrenice...lucky for you you werent actually op then huh?04:19
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intelikeymneptok well if i was banned from the channel.   i wouldn't come here.......04:21
Jucatobut I don't do assisted suicide so....04:21
quixogreokies. afk again. playing command and conquer on the other PC atm04:21
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NickPrestaintelikey, why do you want to leave us? :)04:21
quixogreif i could find an RTS similar to command and conquer, i'd give up windows altogether04:22
intelikeyjust tired i guess.04:22
ses59_i am using 64bit and can not get gnash to work on one web site that uses flash player any other ideals that might get it to work?04:22
Jucato!flash6404:22
ubotuYou can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava04:22
jttintelikey has been banned why?04:23
jttis jucato the current monitor?04:23
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mneptokjtt: for not reading backscroll carefully04:24
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jttjust got on no backscroll at this time04:24
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Jucatojtt: if he were banned, you wouldn't be able to see him here or read his messages...04:25
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NickPrestaand the world would implode ;)04:25
jttJucato, ok that makes me feel better as he often appears to have a lot of answers04:25
intelikeyNickPresta lol04:26
quixogreif intelikey werent here, i'd have to find someone else to bug me about switching nicks in chat04:26
intelikeyjtt yeah my mama told me to try to always make a good false impression04:26
intelikeyor was that first impression  ???04:26
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mneptokquixogre: i'll happily oblige04:27
jttintelikey, you ar doing a fine job :)04:27
intelikey:)04:27
quixogrequiet night...someone yank their video card out while the PC is runnin. i need soemthing to fix04:27
mneptokquixogre: when you start changing pants on a crowded street every time your cell phone rings you can start changing nicks when /away04:27
quixogrelol mneptok thanks i think04:27
Jucatoaw.. moral boost day for intelikey :)04:27
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Jucatoer.. morale*04:28
newsense07anyone know where i can get libdvdcss2 for kubuntu ?04:28
NickPresta!dvd | newsense0704:28
ubotunewsense07: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs04:28
intelikeyJucato just op me....  i'll stop it.04:28
quixogremneptok i was arrested in brest france for that EXACT thing...so does that mean im allowed to change nicks now??04:28
Jucatono way :P04:28
newsense07NickPresta: thanks04:28
mneptokquixogre: i said "crowded." Brest has a population of what ... 47?  ;)04:29
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jttis Jucato the current channel boss?04:29
quixogremneptok: lol hey it was crowded...there was even a queue of people trying to get into a dance club04:29
intelikeyjtt he's one...04:30
NickPrestaJucato, is THE boss04:30
NickPrestalol04:30
tzangerdevelopment question for the kubuntu folk... if I get a corefile for a crashed application, is it possible to download the -debug variants of the libs and apply the symbols to the stripped libs that generated the core file?04:30
jttintelikey, ok i am not really familiar with that structure and i am learning04:30
JucatoO.o04:30
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jtthow would i list all the channel bosses?04:31
quixogreits amazing. i think of myself as a well-spoken, rational human being. but i get overseas, and suddenly become a loud abusive american ass...i think its something they put in the beer04:31
Jucatotzanger: if it's a KDE app, there usually are -dbg packages for them... but I believe there's a new system now for installing debugging symbols04:31
tzangerquixogre: haha04:31
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intelikeyjtt what ever you do,  don't call ubotu as  !ops04:31
tzangerJucato: ok, I know fedora puts the symbols in a separate package and leaves the stabs alone04:31
Jucatotzanger: same here04:32
jttintelikey, ah, just what i wanted to know, i knew there was some  o p s  or  c o p s command we were not suppose to use unless there was real trouble, thanks04:32
intelikeyyw04:33
stdinintelikey: you know some of us have a highlight just on the command too ;)04:33
quixogreanyone here old enough to remember BOFH?04:33
jtti accidentally used it one night and got my had slapped, but not banned04:33
XenThraLquixogre: from what I hear of american beer, maybe the thing they put in that other beer overseas is 'alcohol', that you're not used to04:33
intelikeystdin yeah... i knew that.  :)04:33
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intelikeyand if it's taboo to say ops the i guess the ops will just have to ban me for saying ops  :)04:34
quixogreXenThraL: i gave up drinking american beer when i was 18...but yer right. couldnt POSSIBLY be due to overconsumption...04:34
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mneptokquixogre: i'm old enough to remember Lily Tomlin's Ernestine04:34
stdinintelikey: not "ops", with the '!'04:34
quixogrelol mneptok...thats old...04:35
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intelikeyoh you mean !ops    no i didn't know that you had changed that.04:35
apetrescuc04:35
mneptokquixogre: i was bort during the LBJ administration. missed JFK by a few months.04:35
Jucatook good stdin's here04:35
Jucatoexit stage left04:35
stdinintelikey: helps if ubotu dies for some reason04:35
intelikeytrue.04:35
intelikeyheh and if ubuntu dies that reason is probably why you are being called at the time...04:36
stdinJucato: I awoke to the sound of my laptop screaming at me. re: #ubuntu04:36
quixogrehehe all this chatter of "ops" made me think about bofh...that guy was my idol in high school04:36
mneptokoh dear god.04:36
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intelikeymneptok remember the betles daybue ?04:37
BluesKajmneptok, i was 20 when JFK was assassinated , so maybe you don't feel sp old now :)04:37
quixogreeveryone else was all about the "hackers" craze. not me. i wanted REAL power ;)04:37
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DaSkreechquixogre: I could install Vista. Want to fix that?04:38
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NickPrestaDaSkreech, there is no fix, only death04:38
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quixogreDaSkreech: thats like intentionally putting a virus on your PC. why would you do it?04:38
BluesKaji was in Toronto on labour day weekend in 1964 when the Beatles did their first Canadian gigs ...04:39
tzangerHACK THE PLANET!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK THE PLAAAAAAAAAAANETTTT!!!04:39
tzangerI hacked a sweet gibson the other night...04:39
NickPrestaBluesKaj, Toronto is awesome >_>04:39
BluesKajI'm not a liar intelikey , just old :)04:39
tzanger... no, Toronto is not awesome04:40
intelikeyi said which ever applied04:40
tzangerI am stuck in Markham right now04:40
Jucatotzanger: please drop the caps04:40
BluesKajyeah NickPresta , you live there , don't you .04:40
intelikeyone never knows.  this is  IRC where men are men....04:40
tzangerJucato: but it makes the movie so much mroe intense :-)04:40
NickPrestaI live in the GTA, yep. Not in downtown Toronto04:40
BluesKajok04:40
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nosrednaekimNickPresta: Grand Touring Automobile?04:41
BluesKajI'm near Manitoulin Island , just a small town04:41
quixogrei heard vista doesnt allow dual booting...anyone able to confirm or deny?04:41
NickPrestanosrednaekim, indeed! ;)04:41
DaSkreechintelikey: Oldest04:41
BluesKajquixogre, no there are ways around the dual boot prob with vista04:41
intelikeyDaSkreech i'm not old.04:41
quixogreBluesKaj: but vista did try to make it so you couldnt...correct?04:42
DaSkreechBluesKaj is04:42
intelikeyi just got out of high school....04:42
intelikeyerr  ummm04:42
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intelikey30 years ago ???04:42
quixogremet my second wife online...in an AOL chat room04:43
BluesKaj BCD (Boot Configuration Data) is for dual booting04:43
intelikey</gags>04:43
mneptokquixogre: did she turn out to be a dudeL04:43
mneptok?04:43
quixogreironically, we divorced because i was always online..04:43
quixogremneptok: god i hope not. we had sex lots04:43
stdinerm04:43
stdin!ot04:43
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!04:43
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intelikeymneptok heh04:43
nosrednaekim!ohmy04:44
ubotuPlease watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.04:44
quixogresorry04:44
BluesKajmneptok, francophone superiority complex eh ...that's a contradiction in terms :)04:44
mneptokBluesKaj: i didn't say "well-deserved" ;)04:44
quixogrei think my next wifes gonna be asian...i wanna learn chinese04:45
DaSkreechnosrednaekim: We can't say sex?04:46
intelikeyso you want to know chinese...04:46
DaSkreechquixogre: fascinating discussion can you continue it in #kubuntu-offtopic ?04:46
quixogreDaSkreech: its a linux support channel...most of us dont know what it means04:46
BluesKajquixogre, http://apcmag.com/5046/how_to_dual_boot_vista_with_linux_vista_installed_first04:46
stdinDaSkreech: "Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly." < see the word "topic" in there ;)04:46
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DaSkreechyeah but that was covered by !ot already04:47
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hydrogencan you really have DE-centric offtopic?04:47
hydrogensounds like a stretch to me :)04:47
quixogrehydrogen. so we dont intermingle with those pesky gnome users...04:48
intelikeygnomes are short.04:48
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nosrednaekimand slave away for Santa...04:48
intelikey</steriotipical_bable>04:48
nosrednaekimdummies.04:48
hydrogenquixogre: well, yes.. I can see how we'd want to preserve the blood of the master race04:49
quixogreif gdm, and kdm users conferred. someone might figure out they're extremely similar...would RUIN years of gentle rivalry04:49
demon_sporkhow do I get the webinterface working in ktorrent?  it says that the php executable is no in the path04:49
intelikeyi'm with hydrogen lets protect the human race.04:49
intelikeyno gnomes allowed.04:50
DaSkreechhydrogen: there is also ##oftopic04:50
bazhangdemon_spork:  Feisty? I think you need to upgrade to the latest version (should be over 2.14).04:50
hydrogenthere are a huge amout of offtopic channels04:50
bazhangand this is one of them...04:50
quixogreokies. enough room disruption for now. im heading back to Command & Conquer04:51
DaSkreechhydrogen: there needs to be multiple ones in case someone gets ontopic in there04:51
intelikeydemon_spork no php executable in the path...   it is possable that php is not installed.04:51
DaSkreechnosrednaekim: Santa was programmed with too high standards .. for gnomes04:51
DaSkreechSo everyone is naughty04:52
demon_sporkbazhang, I installed from feisty-backports because the current version crashes frequently when DHT is turned on.  I may have solved it, I found that I may have to install php5-cli to make it work04:52
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DaSkreechquixogre: There was a C&C clone on happypenguin.org04:52
bazhangdemon_spork: I had that very same problem; ended up going with deluge-- a much superior torrent client.04:53
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BluesKajwell sacktime for old guys ...nite all, take care :)04:53
strageeanyone figured out how to get the x-fi 64bit drivers working?04:53
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mneptokbazhang: i hate to disagree, but Ktorrent is far more mature and feature complete than is Deluge04:54
NickPrestarecent versions of KTorrent are awesome. And their devs are really helpful04:54
bazhangdemon_spork: if you really must use ktorrent, then there is a workaround; I believe it's to enable dht, quit ktorrent, then restart it, and don't touch the dht again.04:54
bazhangOf course ktorrent is awesome; but around 2.1.. it got very iffy; just wanted to get away from Santa..oops.04:55
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demon_sporkbazhang, feisty-backports version works fine04:56
mneptokdemon_spork: what is the goal? a torrent client you can control from anywhere?04:56
demon_sporkyes04:56
demon_sporkand a bandwidth scheduler is also required04:56
mneptokdemon_spork: i recommend bittornado + ssh04:56
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mneptokit's what we use for releases04:56
intelikey S S H04:56
intelikey S S H </chant>04:57
ubuntu_hi.i reinstall xp and chage where the linux hdd was conected now i; trying to get back the grub but it4s not working04:57
intelikey!grub04:57
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto04:57
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bazhangdemon_spork: try rtorrent, a walkthrough is here: kmandla.wordpress.com04:58
intelikeyubuntu_ you will also need to edit your /etc/fstab if you are not using UUID's for the root fs04:58
strageeso no one has tried the 64bit drivers for x-fi yet?04:58
demon_sporkstragee, it is out!!!!04:58
strageeyeap04:58
demon_sporkstragee, does that also mean there is a 32 bit driver?04:58
demon_sporkwhen did it come out04:59
strageenot yet - the driver is available now04:59
strageeerr rather the 32-bit version is not available, but the 64-bit is available now04:59
demon_sporkrawr04:59
intelikeythat's what i thought he said04:59
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strageei'm just not good with compiling - and apparently there is a homemade patch for it, but I can't seem to find directions that made sence05:00
demon_sporka friend of mine is stuck on windows because of that card, now I can get him to convert to Linux!!!  I will even install the driver for him05:00
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intelikeyx-fi ?05:01
strageei'm running kubuntu atm and loving it ;), no sound yet though05:01
strageex-fi is a soundcard brand created by a company called "Creative"05:02
intelikeyi only turn sound on when i want to hear something.05:02
stragee=)05:02
districthave a question05:03
intelikeyso x-fi is next generation of  sb  ?05:03
strageeaye05:03
intelikeyk05:03
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districtwho's support guy?05:04
districthere05:04
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NickPrestaintelikey, I believe the card is "endorsed" by Fatal1ty, a pro gamer, as it boasts being one the best quality cards05:04
Jucato!ask | district05:04
ubotudistrict: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)05:04
strageei was really hoping someone here would be able to give me a step by step on setting up this x-fi driver hehe05:04
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intelikeyNickPresta sounds like next gen. sb   <knods>05:04
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intelikeydistrict does it matter who?    just describe the issue concisely and explain the desired end,   you'll get an answer.05:06
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districtOk, what's equivalent to ctrl-alt-delete in windows for kubuntu ?05:06
intelikeyctrl-alt-esc05:06
intelikeymaybe.05:07
Jucatodistrict: try Ctrl+Esc too05:07
districtok, good05:07
intelikeyyes  Ctrl+Esc too05:07
Jucatointelikey: Ctrl+Alt+Esc brings up only xkill....05:07
Jucatoctrl+alt+del in windows brings up the running processes table05:07
intelikeyJucato true.   was just thinking of killing blah not listing them...05:07
Jucatoplus a few other stuff, which would be the equivalent of KSysGuard05:08
districtyeah, i need that05:08
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mneptokJucato: useless if X dies. or remotely. or in another DE.05:08
Jucatoyou threw mneptok?!?! O.o05:08
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intelikeymneptok he did specify  kde05:09
Jucatomneptok: true.. but you wouldn't press Ctrl+Alt+Del in tty and expect  a window to pop up right? :)05:09
mneptoki'd use the tool that's right for the job. that's a CLI process viewer.05:09
intelikeydistrict don't worry,   we do this all the time....05:09
Jucatoyep05:09
Jucatoif you're confused... blame stdin05:10
mneptokdistrict: are you scared of a terminal?05:10
intelikeylol05:10
districtso what would bring process viewer and halt?05:10
intelikeyand call the !ops about it   lol05:10
stdinplease /msg Jucato  for all your needs :)05:10
mneptokdistrict: also, if you're confused, ask stdin to explain everything.05:10
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mneptokdistrict: are you scared of a terminal?05:10
intelikeydistrict Ctrl+Esc05:10
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districtwhat u mean?05:11
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Jucatomneptok: aw you're confusing him now :P05:11
districtoh it works05:11
intelikeysee05:12
districtcool05:12
intelikeyhe told you...05:12
intelikeyyou thought i was going to take credit for that Jucato ?05:12
districtthanks05:12
Jucatointelikey: fine by me actually05:12
NickPrestagoodnight #kubuntu05:12
Jucatoby head's vista enough as it is :)05:12
intelikeylol05:13
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intelikeyNickPresta05:13
DaSkreechNight05:13
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mneptokdistrict: are       you          scared         of           a           terminal?05:14
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intelikeydistrict if Jucato wont say it i will,  you're welcome05:14
ubuntu_Jucato: its me05:14
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Jucatoit's who?05:14
ubuntu_Jucato: pikachu ><05:14
JucatoO.o05:14
ubuntu_loool05:15
RobertStufferskubuntu is dah BomB05:15
intelikeyhave you walked your pikachu today ?05:15
districtsorry don't know much05:15
DaSkreechubuntu_: I choose you!05:15
ubuntu_o.O05:15
usserdamn its like all offtopic on every ubuntu channel ))05:16
intelikeyubuntu_ are you still haveing issues with grub ?05:16
ubuntu_ok fun over i trying to recover my grub here05:16
DaSkreechusser: Hmm?05:16
ubuntu_yes05:16
DaSkreech!grub | ubuntu_05:16
ubotuubuntu_: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto05:16
intelikeyusser this is offnight, didn't you get the memo ?05:16
ubuntu_i got the page allredy05:16
usserintelikey: oh really, dang it, working overtime again05:16
ussermm05:17
usseroffnight is offtopic night or night off?05:17
districtweird names huh?05:17
Jucatoit ends now05:17
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DaSkreechhi Hobbsee05:18
Hobbseehi DaSkreech05:18
intelikeyubuntu_  you can see a list of partitions with either of two commands     sudo fdisk -l      or   cat /proc/partitions     you will have to install grub for the new address.05:18
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ubuntu_intelikey:  DaSkreech this is wa i get wen i try to recover the grub http://pastebin.com/m5427869305:18
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Hobbseethanks mneptok05:19
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ubuntu_first my xp wasnt in master had to chainge that05:19
DaSkreechubuntu_: What's the problem with that problem?05:19
mneptokHobbsee: for you? the moon. or maybe a glow-in-the-dark moon sticker.05:20
districtanother Q:  i deleted adept manger and now i can't get it to show up in xmenu05:20
Hobbseemneptok: :)05:20
Jucatodistrict: how did you delete it exactly?05:20
ubuntu_intelikey: why will i use sudo fdisk -l zhen i can just go in sys settings... too see the;05:21
ubuntu_m05:21
districti'm not sure05:21
elecninjaDid you detete the shortcut?05:21
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districti tried to reinstall it but won't show it in xmenu05:21
bazhangdistrict: you can always use the terminal.05:21
intelikeyubuntu_ no reason.   i'm just being dumb i guess05:21
ElecNinjaMaybe run "adept_installer" in the command line to see what happens05:21
Jucatodistrict: press Alt+F2, and type in "adept_manager" or "adept_installer"05:22
Jucatoif they run, it means the program is still there, just not in your K Menu05:22
districthold it - i 'll try and see05:22
ubuntu_Jucato: me?05:23
Jucatono, district05:23
ubuntu_Jucato: pikachu ><05:23
intelikeyubuntu_ but suffer me a bit more dumbness,   mount your root file system on /target and do   sudo grub-install --root /target hda05:23
ubuntu_intelikey: lol05:24
districtah, it works again05:24
districtcool05:24
bazhangintelikey: what would the command be for an external sata drive?05:24
districthow did that happen05:24
intelikeybazhang to do what with it ?05:24
DaSkreech!br05:25
ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.05:25
mneptokintelikey: make it higher capacity05:25
bazhangto add an external linux install to grub05:25
mneptokintelikey: like, what's the command to make my 250GB PATA internal drive a 750GB eSATA drive with enclosure?05:25
draremwhat is this gconf-editor, it reminds me of the registry editor in windoze due to its database-ic nature05:25
intelikeybazhang if grub is already installed you just edit your menu.lst   normally found in /boot/grub    and use the UUID of the filesystem05:26
bazhangintelikey: sorry, to add an external install of Linux on a SATA drive to the existing GRUB menu. Thanks!05:26
districtso then how do one pt adept manger into xmenu?05:26
Jucatodrarem: that's the only thing it has in common with registry editor. the looks and way you use it05:26
DaSkreechdrarem: Yeah kinda. but that's a gnome question05:26
Jucatodrarem: gconf-editor is a GNOME utility to handle GNOME config files. might want to ask in #ubuntu for more info05:27
mneptokdrarem: i thought the same thing when i saw the space shuttle. i was like, "DAMN! WHEELS! just like my chariot!"05:27
intelikeybazhang you "might" need to add an entry in /boot/grub/device.map  too05:27
draremok thanks05:27
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draremyea, only you need team of pegasus to pull the chariot into space05:27
intelikeywhen it rains it pours05:28
mneptokdrarem: Microsoft promises that in an upcoming service pack05:28
Jucato...05:28
districtso then how do one put adept manger into xmenu?05:28
RobertStuffers!offtopic05:28
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!05:28
intelikeywhen it reigns we poors05:28
Jucatodistrict: right-click on the K Menu icon and select Menu Editor05:29
ubuntu_intelikey: which i had to mount to /target the xp or linux?05:29
RobertStuffersanyone plays UrT on kubuntu ?05:29
intelikeythe linux05:29
districtgot it, then what?05:29
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RobertStufferslinux says that kde is the real deal for a dev to work ;D05:30
intelikeyi guess everyone will streighten up now that the doctor is back....05:30
Jucatoofftopic RobertStuffers05:31
mneptokexclamationpoint Jucato05:31
ubuntu_intelikey: did thqt it give ;e so;e funny thing qbout help05:31
Jucatomneptok: I'm giving the bot a break... just so as not to state something he himself triggered earlier :)05:31
Jucatoand btw, exclamationpointandpipe :)05:32
RobertStuffersJucato: your mind is offtopic05:32
strageeanyone here familiar with compiling drivers?05:32
intelikeyubuntu_ man grub-install   and check the switch    i know there is a single letter switch  just don't recall off hand.05:32
JucatoRobertStuffers: it isn't. but you are. so please stop it or leave. thank you05:32
RobertStuffersisnt it the same as other software ?05:32
intelikeyubuntu_ i.e.  --root   may not be correct.05:32
bazhangintelikey: thanks!05:32
mneptokRobertStuffers: do you see clouds on the horizon?05:32
HobbseeRobertStuffers: please stop trolling.  now.05:32
bazhanggood night all! tha nks for the help!05:33
RobertStuffersJucato: ill leave just after your depart05:33
strageei'm really new at compiling and could use some help ;)05:33
Jucatosorry. that won't happen at all05:33
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stdinJucato is *forever*05:33
Jucatohehe05:33
intelikeylong libe Jucato05:33
intelikeyv05:33
RobertStufferslong live ME05:34
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JucatoRobertStuffers: please follow the IRC guidelines and behave. final warning05:34
Hobbsee[13:32]  <mneptok> chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga05:34
mneptok:)05:34
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RobertStuffersJucato: is your boss ?05:35
Hobbseeno.  technically, i'm probably his.05:35
stdinall your bases are belong to Jucato05:35
Jucato:)05:35
intelikey:)05:35
draremthat is so early 2000's05:35
intelikey<-->  and counting05:35
drarempre-blog era05:35
Jucatointelikey: please ignore what's happening and continue helping ubuntu_ :)05:35
stdin(except for base 2, that's intelikey's)05:36
RobertStuffersdrarem: its not 2000 its y2k05:36
Jucato(underscore 2)05:36
Hobbsee!offtopic | RobertStuffers05:36
ubotuRobertStuffers: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!05:36
ubuntu_im lost05:36
Jucatook, just to be fair, no more offtopic05:36
intelikeyJucato he didn't say anything else...    and i don't have grub on this box  so i can't check the man page for him.05:36
strageecan anyone officially support me with compiling a driver? hehe05:36
Jucatome wonders if stdin could assist.. wrist starting to hurt again..05:36
ubuntu_stdin: pikachu ><05:37
Hobbseebye then :D05:37
Jucatodarn I didn't get to do it :P05:37
draremthis gconf-editor prevented me from seeing my trashcan on my desktop, had to change the setting to see and use it - while under KDE05:37
mneptokand here's the rain. ;)05:37
stdinafaik "sudo grub-install --root-directory=/target/boot " should do it05:37
Jucatoer..rain or train... O.o05:37
Jucatodrarem: why would it? they don't have the same desktop rules/settings05:38
intelikeyubuntu_ there is another way.    you can run a grub shell and set the  root <your linux root>    install (hd0)05:38
mneptokJucato: the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain trains05:38
Jucatoheheh :)05:38
Hobbseemneptok: but there was no rain when we were there!05:38
mneptokHobbsee: you make the sky stop crying.05:38
ubuntu_i give up ill just reinstall linux05:38
draremdon't know, maybe i'm not running pure kde05:38
Jucatoyikes05:38
ubuntu_stdin: xp05:38
intelikeysome one please give me opps !05:38
mneptokHobbsee: which nicely offsets your ability to make the earth fart05:39
ubuntu_???05:39
draremthey have merged and are living in a symbiotic stage05:39
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Jucatodrarem: maybe you're running KDE apps on GNOME... or maybe GNOME is your primary  running desktop05:39
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stdinubuntu_: I don't dual-boot with windows, so I'm not sure about that05:39
ubuntu_lol ops fight05:39
Hobbseenah..05:39
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draremsomething must not be right then, I tried other desktops, went back to kde05:40
ubuntu_o.O05:40
rickey#kubuntu05:41
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ubuntu_sorry05:42
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JucatoO.o05:42
intelikeyubuntu_ ok,  i installed grub just to check the man page for you.     it's not  --root   it is   --root-directory   use that   it will work05:42
ubuntu_login out to reinstall linux05:42
rickeyhello everyone05:43
Jucatohello05:43
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intelikeysurely you could have ran   man grub-install   and seen that....05:43
rickeyhow are you doing tonigth05:43
intelikeyrickey don't ask.   it wont hurt.05:44
rickeythat bad05:44
rickey hummmmm ive have a good day05:44
intelikeyme too, but i came in here and got over it real quick.05:45
rickeyhey everyday is a good day as long as kubuntu kick,s butt05:45
ubuntu_intelikey: it still give me a unny help thing05:45
intelikeyubuntu_  ls -ld /target/boot    for me please05:46
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rickeyanyday without bill gates , is a good day05:46
draremwonder what would have happened if nerdy bill gates would have been beaten up that day and never developed windows.. would it be an apple world?05:47
ubuntu_intelikey: command not found05:47
Dr_willisapple is its own worst enemy.. we would be using Apple4's by now. :)05:47
draremapple and amiga05:47
intelikeyintelikey shouldn't be a command.05:47
Dr_willisAmiga WAS its own worst enemy.. such potential...05:47
intelikeyubuntu_  that's lower case   L S05:47
rickeynope linux would have came to the top of the heap  long time ago05:48
ubuntu_intelikey: u qre giving me some crazy command05:48
intelikeyok i'll quit.05:48
ubuntu_lol05:48
intelikeyno big deal.   let someone else take over.05:48
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ubuntu_im just going to reinstal no biggee05:49
district_anyone here, i need more help with the menu editor05:49
pillowpantswhats your favorite test based browser05:49
pillowpantstext*05:49
intelikeywhat ever works for you ubuntu_05:49
rickeyi am going dsl in a few day05:49
rickeyife is good05:49
Jucatodistrict_: what seems to be the problem?05:49
rickeylife is good05:49
intelikeypillowpants for file  or web ?05:50
district_hey jucato i'm new to this05:50
pillowpantswww05:50
ubuntu_intelikey: befor i reinstaal how do i get to see my desktop?05:50
intelikeyelinks05:50
hydrogenmine is dog05:50
pillowpantsinternet browser i should have mentioned05:50
ubuntu_intelikey: it have a lock on it05:50
intelikeyubuntu_ idk.05:50
district_i tried what you said05:50
Jucatodistrict_: ok let's check first. when you open the K Menu,do you see an Add/Remove Programs there?05:50
intelikeyubuntu_ maybe someone else can help.05:50
district_but it crashed05:50
Jucatodistrict_: let's check first what you're missing05:50
hydrogendog is easily the best text based browser05:51
district_i'm missing adept manager05:51
Jucatodistrict_: click on the K Menu  System05:51
intelikeypillowpants elinks    incase you missed it.05:51
ubuntu_Jucato: my file have a lock on it how do i get in to see wq is there05:51
ubuntu_?05:51
Jucatodistrict_: adept Manager isn't there?05:51
district_i did05:51
pillowpantsintelikey : ill check it05:51
district_no not there05:51
pillowpantsi was using lynx, but it seemed sort of limiting05:51
intelikeypillowpants links2 can do text or pickies  with the  -g switch.05:52
district_so i right clik and05:52
district_in menu editor05:52
Jucatodistrict_: ok so let's do it this way. right-click on the K Menu, select Menu Editor05:52
intelikeypillowpants but lacks ssl support  and elinks does ssl05:52
district_i go into system05:52
district_in menu editor05:53
Jucatodistrict_: then go select the System submenu and click on the New icon (or File -> New Item)05:53
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district_ok05:53
intelikeypillowpants with svgalibs you can view pictures even vidios with vlc   in the console   no X needed05:53
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Jucatodistrict_: you should now have a blank entry there. put in these information05:54
pillowpantsintelikey : whoa, i didnt know that05:54
intelikeynow you do.05:54
pillowpantsvideos in the console is not something i thought was possible05:54
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Jucatodistrict_: Name: Adept Manager. Description: Manage Packages. Command: adept_manager.05:54
district_do i type adept manager there?05:54
Jucatodistrict_: then enable these 2 options: [ ]  Enable launch feedback and [ ]  Run as a different user05:54
intelikeypillowpants i hardly ever start X   it's not even installed on this box.05:55
Jucatodistrict_: got that?05:55
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district_why do i check run as different user?05:56
district_yes05:56
Jucatodistrict_: so that it will run it as admin05:56
pillowpantsintelikey : so you just work from console?05:56
Jucatodistrict_: "run as a different user" without a given user name will run the app as admin/root05:56
district_it does?05:56
pillowpantsintelikey : what sort of things do you use your comp for? just programming?05:56
Jucatodistrict_: you can click on the icon box and search for the adept manager icon05:57
district_oh i see05:57
Jucatodistrict_: then save it. and you're good to go05:57
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Jucatodistrict_: remember the command should be "adept_manager" (w/ underscore)05:57
district_oh allright,  thanks05:57
intelikeypillowpants yeah,    and you will be asking, so i'll just answer.    you need svgalibs  and  vlc-plugin-svgalib   have to configure svgalibs in /etc/vga/*    then just   /usr/bin/vlc.real -V svgalib <vidio_file_name>05:58
district_i'll see if it works, kind of complicated05:58
intelikeyyou get one console with full screen vidio and the others are normal.05:58
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intelikeypillowpants i don't "program"  that's the kind of thing Jucato does,  i just write scripts,  manipulate files, gather info, and such.06:00
district_anyway, thanks, it seems to work jucato, thanks06:00
intelikeyand annoy people in #kubuntu with offtopic chatter06:01
Jucatos/manipulate files/manipulate people/06:01
hydrogenJucato: die!06:01
hydrogeni was going to make a much more witty comment06:01
intelikeyonly on tuesdays06:01
hydrogenand you stole it06:01
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Jucatolol06:01
intelikey:006:01
hydrogenthat wasn't witty at all06:01
Jucatoroflmao06:01
Jucatothat's what you get for being late :)06:01
hydrogenI was right in the middle of writing "hmm.. when did we start calling kubuntu users files?"06:02
hydrogenand you had to make that comment06:02
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Jucatonah that's not witty... too intellectual :P06:02
intelikeyi told you i started "only on tuesdays"06:02
Jucatorequires much more thinking, let alone parsing :)06:02
stdinremember to linux/intelikey, everything is a file (or inode)06:02
hydrogenyou're cut off then intelikey!06:02
hydrogenits wednesday06:03
hydrogennow06:03
intelikeystdin glad you corrected that,     it's   inode.06:03
Jucato:)06:03
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stdinI knew you'd correct me, so I pre-empted it06:03
intelikeyhydrogen been cut off for 4 hours now.06:04
intelikey:)06:04
district_hey, alright so far, got anoher Q06:04
hydrogennope06:04
hydrogenones your limit06:04
hydrogencome back tommorow06:04
hydrogenwhat do you think this is, a free for all?06:04
district_just testing, no06:05
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district_ok, i like to know06:06
intelikeyi mentioned M$ writing inodes all over the fs   in an explanation for why one should defrag before resizing M$ file systems    in #ubuntu the other day   and some professional   jumped all over me for it....     heh. such is the life of a sailor.06:06
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district_how do i update06:07
intelikeyseems that using   M$   and   inodes    was totally out of line,06:07
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intelikey</rant>   sorry.06:07
district_from version 7.04 to version 7.10 - i have the cd gutsy gibbon06:07
Jucatodistrict_: you want to upgrade to a beta release already?06:07
intelikeydistrict_ do you have  a seperate fs for your home ?06:08
district_do i type update-something?06:08
Jucatodistrict_: which kind of CD did you get?06:08
district_yes i have the update06:08
district_beta release06:09
district_from softpedia.com06:09
herocan konqueror use toolbars that will work in firefox?06:09
Jucatodistrict_: which kind. Live CD or Alternate Install CD?06:09
herostumbleupon, for instance06:09
district_i downloaded iso file and burned it into a cd06:09
intelikeydistrict_ is your home on a seperate file system ?   if it is, just install.06:09
Doctor_Nicktwo more weeks until gutsy06:10
district_but does that erase all the old files?06:10
intelikeyyep   all that's not in /home    and there too if you tell it to.06:11
district_have to go thru all that partitions and all06:11
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tetreaulProbably a dumb question for you guys... I can see my windows partition and I can read files from it but I can't write to it. Is this just a permissions thing? ie chmod will work?06:11
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stdindistrict_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f5206:11
Jucatodistrict_: if what you got is a Live CD, you won't be able to use that to upgrade. you can only use that for new installations06:12
stdin!ntfs-3g | tetreaul06:12
ubotutetreaul: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions06:12
intelikeytetreaul chmod will NOT work.   permissions are a psyudo bit, i.e. not existing on the M$ fs       use ntfs-3g  and a mask    i.e.  dmask=000,fmask=111    or  umask=00006:13
tetreaulhmm... I assumed that was automatically installed... what is letting me read from my windows partition right now?06:13
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district_so then next logical Q IS HOW DO I UPGRADE TO VERSION &>!)?06:13
tetreaulthanks all06:13
district_sorry06:13
tetreaulI'll work with ntfs-3g06:13
district_caps on06:13
stdindistrict_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f52 < read it this time06:13
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district_it sounded like  was yelling huh?06:13
district_sorry06:13
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intelikeytetreaul you'll still nead a mask,    whether in the fstab  or on the command line when you mount it.06:14
district_damn those caps06:14
mmmiiikkkeeeinstalling compiz-kde gives me an error since compiz-core is a newer version then it wants... any one have any luck installing compiz in kde?06:14
mmmiiikkkeeein gusty06:14
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ussermmmiiikkkeee: well yea06:15
heroso... no stumbleupon toolbar in konqueror then?06:15
district_so then how do i upgrade to version 7.10?06:15
intelikeydistrict_ don't try to cover up,   we know that  "&>!)"  was not caps-lock06:15
stdinmmmiiikkkeee: works here06:15
ussermmmiiikkkeee: do apt-get update there was update of compiz packages today06:15
stdindistrict_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f52 < last time I'm going to tell you06:15
district_i had accidently turnon caps by mistake06:16
andycrcaps off 1234 CAPS ON 123406:16
district_while i was typing06:16
intelikeyand held it down  it seems06:16
stdin*read* the link06:16
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ubuntu_wii06:16
mmmiiikkkeeei did: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-kde06:17
district_i'm really sorry06:17
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intelikeythe shouting i can tolerate,  the lying to cover it up   i can't.06:17
district_sorry i don't know why that happened06:18
pillowpantsintelikey : thats cool, thanks06:18
intelikeyaccepted.06:18
intelikeypillowpants welcome.06:18
ubuntu_does gusty look like feisty?or it look like ubuntu?06:18
flaccidneither ubuntu_06:18
ubuntu_7.0406:18
district_honest mistake06:18
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ubuntu_flaccid: so if i install gusty i loose feisty?06:19
CreationistCan someone please tell me how to customize additional panels?  Seems there's no way to adjust the size and add certain applets to anything but the Main Panel...06:19
flaccidubuntu, if you install over it, yes06:19
flaccidor if you upgrade it06:19
Creationistubuntu_: You can install it onto a different partition and you won't lose Feisty.06:20
district_thanks for your help jucato, really, thanks06:20
stdinCreationist: there is a drop down list to choose which panel to configure in the settings06:20
ubuntu_flaccid: is it like moving from windows 2000 to xp?06:20
flaccidmost people will want gutsy as its in beta/dev06:20
flaccid*not*06:20
district_i appreciate it06:20
flaccidubuntu, not really.06:20
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Creationiststdin: Yeah, I saw that.... problem is, it only lists "Main Panel" and "External Taskbar" ... even though I didn't ADD an external taskbar, but just another "panel"06:21
stdinunless you know how to fix a broken system, do *not* install gutsy06:21
intelikeyCreationist you right click on them   the settings have a drop down menu on one tab that picks which pannel you are working on....   but that may have changed over the last two releases, so don't listen to me.06:21
ussermmmiiikkkeee: do dpkg -l compiz which version is it?06:21
flaccidonly people that want to put up with bugs and help fixing them/test should use gutsy at this stage06:21
Creationistintelikey: Yeah... see my message to stdin06:21
ubuntu_flaccid: if i upgrade to gusty will i loose all my data like music etc?06:21
intelikeysorry. Creationist   was typing while you were.06:21
flaccidubuntu_ no06:21
mmmiiikkkeee1:0.6.0+git20006:21
ubuntu_flaccid: does it look slick like feisty?06:22
ubuntu_7.0406:22
Creationistubuntu_: It looks better, I think ;)06:22
flaccidyeah its pretty click i guess06:22
flacciderr slick06:22
ubuntu_u tink?06:22
intelikeyand yes i did see it.   but was already that the  [enter]  key and didn't get to read it before i posted.06:22
mmmiiikkkeeehere is the error i get http://pastebin.com/m19780c7006:22
Creationistintelikey: Ah... I've done that.06:22
flaccidthey both use kde, they just mod the artwork for each new release06:22
stdinCreationist: hmm, not sure then. it may be a bug that it can't be configured, take a look on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu and see if there's a bug report for it06:23
ubuntu_did anyone try out gusty?06:23
flaccidim on gutsy atm06:23
ussermmmiiikkkeee: nope seems fine, hang on i'lll get my compiz-kde06:23
ubuntu_atm?06:23
flaccidwell actually im on windows at the moment, but gutsy on other notebook06:23
Creationiststdin: Well, I'm running Gutsy right now, but I remember having the same problem with Edgy and Feisty.  Finally went to gnome for Feisty.06:23
ubuntu_do gusty have a live cd?06:23
ubuntu_for me to see wa it look like06:24
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stdinmmmiiikkkeee: you on gutsy?06:24
mmmiiikkkeeeyes06:24
intelikeyCreationist you can also ask in the support channel    #ubuntu+1   :)06:24
stdinCreationist: I can't find it in gutsy either06:24
Creationistubuntu_: I think you worry more on how it WORKS than how it LOOKS ;)06:24
ussermmmiiikkkeee: oh wait do u use x64 distribution?06:24
mmmiiikkkeeeno06:24
ubuntu_Creationist: it's both06:24
flaccidit comes in live cd06:25
stdinmmmiiikkkeee: also, remove the 3rd party PPA repo, compiz is in the main archive06:25
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ubuntu_looks and how it works06:25
ussermmmiiikkkeee: damn06:25
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ubuntu_does gusty come with konqueror?06:25
flaccidsure does ubuntu_06:25
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Creationistubuntu_: It shouldn't be.  You can ALWAYS make it look exactly how you want it to.  You can't always make it work properly... especially since it is far from stable at the moment.06:25
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pillowpantsoh, is gutsy officially "out"?06:25
flaccidwell i think it does iirc. that and dolphin06:25
Creationistpillowpants: Nope.06:25
pillowpantsCreationist : oh06:25
ussermmmiiikkkeee: yea that might be your problem06:26
ubuntu_Creationist: didnt they say it was coming out oct?06:26
stdinubuntu_: it's out in 15 days06:26
Creationistubuntu_: Yes, it is... but there's a lot of October left ;)06:26
usserubuntu_: oct 18th official release date06:26
flaccidubuntu_: join #ubuntu+106:26
pillowpantshow do you exit X server to console?06:26
mmmiiikkkeeei get it06:26
pillowpantskubuntu seems to come standard with no boot to console06:26
pillowpantsit just boots straight to x login06:26
ubuntu_Creationist: funny06:27
stdinpillowpants: Ctrl-Alt-F106:27
flaccidpillowpants, kill kdm. but you might just wanna do a tty - press ctrl + alt + f206:27
mmmiiikkkeeeyea i had compiz installed a while ago... when you had to use a 3rd party repo06:27
quixogrepillow, if you're using kde, can choose console login at the boot screen06:27
pillowpantsflaccid : alright06:27
flaccidpillowpants, thats correct, but you have quite a few ttys..06:27
Creationistpillowpants: You can choose to login through a console by selecting that option from the Login screen.06:27
stdinmmmiiikkkeee: they are conflicting, you should only need the official repos for compiz06:27
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pillowpantsCreationist, flaccid : ill do that06:27
ubuntu_stdin: the 15?will it be stable?when i upgrade to it will it just be like a nother kernel?06:27
pillowpantsis there anyone else here who just uses console?06:27
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pillowpantsand doesnt use X for their daily comp uses?06:28
deederhaha nope06:28
Creationistpillowpants: Not sure why anyone would use Ubuntu for that...06:28
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Daisuke_Laptopyes06:28
=== usser this 3d stuff has really come a long way in the past year or so
stdinubuntu_: in 15 days it will be released as stable. then you can upgrade06:28
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Creationistusser: Yeah, I lost the ability to run Compiz when I installed Gutsy :(06:28
pillowpantsstdin: thats when gutsy will be a "stable release"?06:28
stdinpillowpants: yeah06:29
Creationistpillowpants: Well, that's the hope ;)06:29
pillowpantsstdin : cool06:29
usserCreationist: how come what happened?06:29
intelikeypillowpants if it ever is....  :)06:29
ubuntu_stdin: will it have the live cd to see wa it look like?and will u upgrade to?will kubuntu chat go dead?06:29
ubuntu_o.O06:29
stdinpillowpants: you want a console user, intelikey seems to fit that description06:29
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Creationistusser: The nVidia drivers in Gutsy don't work right for me... either that or Compiz just doesn't like my computer anymore.  Of course, I used to run Gnome...06:29
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pillowpantsstdin : yeah, i was amazed at it a second ago06:30
pillowpantsi was just asking if anyone else here does it06:30
Daisuke_Laptopintelikey: i already fingered you as captain console before you had the nick collision :P06:30
stdinubuntu_: 1) yes, 2) don't need to, I already have, 3) no, why would it?06:30
pillowpantsi was messing with setting up a file server a few days ago and couldnt get x to load, so i just managed everything from console06:30
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pillowpantsthe first time ive really done that06:30
intelikey_hiden<whistles inosently>06:30
usserCreationist: hm, in gutsy it really should be a matter of enabling restricted drivers06:30
usserCreationist: what video card u have?06:30
Creationistusser: Yeah, that's what I did...06:30
Daisuke_Laptopubuntu_: 3) it will probably jump to 500 people or so for at least a few days, and expect the repos to be slow06:30
usserCreationist: and what happened?06:31
Creationistusser: It's a Geforce 620006:31
Creationistusser: Well, using the restricted drivers will either distort my resolution or just not let me change resolutions at all.06:31
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Creationistusser: Interestingly enough, I can run Unreal Tournament 2004 without a problem (although with poorer performance than I got with Feisty)06:31
usserCreationist: whats the desired resolution? did u try editing xorg.conf?06:32
ubuntu_Daisuke_Laptop: slow?can i choose to upgrade with symnaptic?06:32
usserubuntu_: i believe thats one of the options yes06:32
ubuntu_but i perfer adept06:32
stdinubuntu_: when it's releases there will be instructions to upgrade with adept06:32
Creationistusser: I haven't changed the xorg.conf because it's all correct from what I can tell.  My desired/native resolution for my monitor is 1400x105006:32
usserCreationist: hm, can u pastebin it just for the heck of it.06:33
hydrogenmost instructions will probably tell you to just install update-manager06:33
hydrogeneven though its a gnome program only in feisty06:33
stdinhydrogen: no, adept will do it now (finally)06:33
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ubuntu_stdin: instructions?cant i just do sudo apt-get upg* or just look for the option that adepts sows when it have a new kernel?06:33
hydrogenstdin: I've yet to see adept do anything properly... I'm not going to trust it :)06:34
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Creationistusser: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39425/06:34
stdinubuntu_: it's not a normal upgrade06:34
intelikey_hidendist-upgrade   but you have to change the sources.list06:34
intelikey_hidenthis nick's just too long.06:34
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_2now06:35
stdinthat's not the recommended way any more06:35
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flaccidpillowpants, keep in mind kubuntu is a deskop operating system06:35
_2stdin are you saying that non-gui users will have to install kde and use adpet to do it the "recommended" way ?06:36
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_2adpet  heh06:36
Creationistusser: Now, when I use System Settings to try and change the resolution, it gives me all those options.  But when I select a different resolution and click "Apply," it doesn't change the resolution, but still says it's "Testing new settings..."06:36
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stdin_2: no, non-gui uses can do "sudo do-release-upgrade" :)06:37
_2a perl script no doubt06:37
stdin(from the update-manager-core package)06:37
_2or is it python ?06:37
stdinprobably python knowing ubuntu :p06:37
hydrogenno no!06:37
hydrogenits python06:37
hydrogenit should be ruby06:38
stdineverything is python in ubuntu06:38
hydrogenbut not everyone is perfect06:38
hydrogenregrettably06:38
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hydrogenwell then06:39
usserCreationist: well it really looks allright apart from that device #, screen #, monitor # sections at the bottom u can safely delete those06:39
hydrogenI guess you will have to get old school creative in order to upgrade06:39
hydrogenpoor you!06:39
stdin_2: look at it's dependencies :p "python2.5, python-central (>= 0.5.8), python (<< 2.6), python (>= 2.4), python-apt (>= 0.6.16.2), lsb-release, python-gnupginterface"06:39
stdinthat's a lot of python06:39
Creationistusser: Hmm.. that's weird.  Could that be causing my problem?06:39
_2junk    imo06:40
usserCreationist: no not really they are non functional anyway06:40
hydrogenwoah woah woah06:40
hydrogenit depends on lsb-release?06:40
hydrogeneff it, i'm uninstalling it now06:40
hydrogenbloat!06:40
stdinI think ubuntu-standard depends in it too06:40
stdinor -minimal, not sure06:40
hydrogenyep06:41
hydrogenremoving that as well06:41
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hydrogenkernel, bash, coreutils.. upstart, thats all I need!06:41
usserCreationist: u may also try deleting everything in that "Screen" section the modes line everything except for 1400x105006:41
_2"python (<< 2.6), python (>= 2.4),"  <<<   i.e.  2.5 only  but that's quite redundant after the  "python2.5," entry.06:41
stdinhydrogen: is "Installed-Size: 80" bloat ? :p06:41
usserCreationist: line 10906:41
Creationistusser: I just saved my xorg.xonf file and got this error: Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-nrossin" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.06:41
Creationistusser: Probably not a big deal, but I've been getting some random permission errors since I installed Gutsy06:42
khaije1Creationist: are you a creationist?06:42
hydrogenstdin: yes.. thats one line of a log file that I can't have any more!06:42
Creationistkhaije1: What gave that away? ;)06:42
stdinCreationist: that's normal06:42
Creationiststdin: Okay ...06:42
usserCreationist: yea that happens here too06:42
khaije1Creationist: i was just wondering if the meaning of your handle was a personal belief or a random whim, as is often the case06:43
_2khaije1 am i binary ?06:43
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Creationistkhaije1: Both, I guess :P06:43
usserCreationist: and change virtual from 1600 1200 to 1400 105006:43
usserCreationist: btw make a backup of your xorg.conf06:43
hydrogenOo06:43
khaije1_2: obviously not06:43
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Creationistusser already dont ;)06:43
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=== stdin thinks _2 is really just a big shell script
stdin*posix shell script06:44
usserCreationist: should something bad happen ctrl+alt+f2, cd /etc/X11 && sudo cp xorg.backup xorg.conf06:44
_2khaije1 that doesn't keem me from being a creationest  :)06:44
=== Creationist is amazed at how often this name causes people to be "clever." ;)
_2stdin lol06:44
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Creationistusser:  I know.... I've learned the VERY hard way ;)06:45
khaije1_2: the first thing you said was obviously false, the second was obviously true06:45
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=== Scientologist is thinking _2 is more a batch script than a posix shell script
ussernah06:45
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josephlist06:45
_2Scientologist no.   totally posix compliant.06:45
Creationistusser: God doesn't believe in atheists ;)06:45
Scientologistpfft06:45
CreationistOkay, this has gotten off-topic lol06:45
Scientologistdos is a posix standard!06:45
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usserCreationist: so how is going with xorg.conf06:46
CreationistAmerican Christianity = Open Source Religion :)06:46
Scientologistanyways06:46
Creationistusser: I haven't tested it yet.. I will later.06:46
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ScientologistI really should go towards sleep06:46
Scientologistso06:46
ScientologistI'll see you!06:46
Creationistusser: Thanks for your help, though.06:46
usserCreationist: u may also try to remove all the modelines except for that 1400x1050, u know play around with it06:47
_2sad but true Creationist06:47
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Creationist_2: Yep...06:47
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Creationist_2: I'm actually working on a blog article talking about that...06:47
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_2long live  RMS06:47
usserCreationist: one useful thing is to get specs on your screen and create your own modeline this is helpful sometimes http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl06:48
Creationistusser: Yeah, but I've been unable to find the specs for my monitor.06:48
_2monitor specs can sometimes be displayed by the control buttons06:48
usserCreationist: bugger06:49
banjooieOkay, so.06:49
Creationist_2: Ooh... didn't think of that... I'll check.06:49
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banjooieLet's say I saw either a puff of dust or smoke out of my computer (the sides were off.)06:49
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banjooieThis was while the hard drive and CD-ROM were being taxed, but little else.06:50
_2and there is  monitorworld.com   that might list your monitor.    as well as the manufacture06:50
Creationist_2: WOuld they be Horizontal and Vertical frequencies?06:50
_2r06:50
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_2yes06:50
usserCreationist: ye06:50
Creationist_2: Sweet.. it does show that ;)06:50
banjooieHow do I tell if a CD-ROM or hard drive has fried itself06:50
banjooiepreferably without turning the computer on06:50
ratttsomeone help me. i need to join tha java channel but it says i need to be identified???06:50
banjooieI checked t he monitor, there are no scorch marks.06:50
banjooieer, the motherboard06:50
usserbanjooie: smell it06:50
banjooieShould it absolutely reek? I had someone else smell it, since my sense of smell is really weak.06:51
_2banjooie there probably "wont" be any phisical evidance,   plug it into a working box and test.06:51
se7en^Of^9does anyone know what file get's updated when doing a apt-get update06:51
usserbanjooie: not reek but usually they smell06:51
banjooieokay06:51
stdin!register | rattt06:51
uboturattt: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration06:51
banjooiethey didn't smell anything, so I guess. Okay, thanks.06:52
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stdinse7en^Of^9: several, in /var/lib/apt/lists/06:52
_2unplug it and hook up a power source and listen closely06:52
ratttforgive me for doing this here, as i cannot join java without being identified...watever thats supposed to mean....anyway, java is similar to c++....heres my situation. i wrote this program last year and i havent used java since...now heres my question. i typed"String n=new String();"  why did i do that instead of just "String n;06:52
stdinrattt: register with freenode to identify, read the link ubotu gave you06:53
se7en^Of^9thanks stdin06:53
Creationistusser: Now, my monitor lists exact frequencies, not ranges.... is that okay?  The website you sent me asks for a range.06:53
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_2se7en^Of^9 disreguard stdin,   it's the package database in /var/cache/apt   and in /var/lib/dpkg  iirc06:53
stdinse7en^Of^9: disregard _2, /var/cache/apt is the apt package cache, for debs :)06:54
se7en^Of^9_2: /var/cache/apt/archives/  is for the *deb files06:54
stdin_2: update, not upgrade06:55
_2and that gets updated when you do   "update"  stdin.06:55
stdin_2: not unless you download the debs06:55
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_2well  /var/lib/dpkg/list/  doesn't exist06:55
_2so i guess we are both wrong.06:56
drew_will gusty have kde4?06:56
Creationist_2: MonitorWorld doesn't even list my manufacturer (Westinghouse)06:56
stdindrew_: only like feisty, as an optional extra06:56
Creationistdrew_: No.06:56
drew_ty06:56
_2Creationist hmmm   odd.   you did use the search on the page   no ?06:56
stdin_2:  /var/lib/apt/lists/ not dpkg06:56
_2apt ?  oh.   did i misread that ?06:57
stdinseems so :)06:57
usserCreationist: its most likely showing the freqs at which it works right now u really need ranges06:57
usserCreationist: is it an LCD?06:57
_2yes i did.06:58
Creationistusser: It's a flatscreen LCD, yes.06:58
usserCreationist: size?06:58
Creationist_2: I haven't tried the search, but looked through their list06:58
Creationistusser: 20#06:58
Creationist20"06:58
usserCreationist: with LCD u can safely put 6006:58
se7en^Of^9jo here is my problem i stay in thailand .... some of the files fail to catche from the thai server ... so i use the .au server which is fucking slow ... if i could cp the .th file i would not need to go throug the update again because that takes for the .au server 30 min and go straight to upgrade ... does that make any sence ?06:58
usserCreationist: with LCD u can safely put 60 for refresh rate06:59
Creationistusser: It does say it's maximum refresh rate at 1400x1050 is 60Hz06:59
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usserCreationist: seems about right06:59
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drew_is there some way to manage my power options. Whenever my computer hibernates, it refuses to turn the monitor back on. I searched the system settings extensively but no luck.06:59
usserCreationist: and something like 50-55 for horiz sync06:59
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Creationistusser: I have no clue what my Dot Clock Frequency would be... never heard the term before.07:00
se7en^Of^9stdin: /var/lib/apt/lists looks good for me07:01
_2stdin not sure what changes  but /var/cache/apt/package.cache  does get updated.   at least touched.       but sorry for the misread.  i did think i saw /var/lib/dpkg/list    my bad.     "just knew that couldn't be right"07:01
usserCreationist: dont bother then, u know what just put 55khz for horiz freq07:01
_2stdin first time for everything....07:02
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stdin_2: you were bound to make a mistake once in your lifetime, law of probability :p07:02
Creationistusser: It's giving me an error... says Horizontal Sync is below the minimum of 55KHz... doesn't matter what value I put in there.07:02
usserCreationist: hm07:02
_2stdin that's not the first time we did this remember.07:03
_2looks like i'd catch on...     seems like i misread the last time too....07:03
Creationistusser: Hmm... does this look valid?      Modeline "1400x1050@60" 129.44 1400 1432 1920 1952 1050 1071 1081 110307:03
_2stdin next time just ban me.  that'll stop it.  :)07:04
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stdin_2: deal :)07:04
_2stdin you are WRONG.    wrong wrong.07:04
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stdinheh07:04
_2lol07:05
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stdindon't worry, I unbanned you (for now)07:05
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CreationistSo should I just remove all the Modeline entries and replace it with this:  Modeline "1400x1050@60i" 55.41 1400 1432 1640 1672 1050 1074 1079 1103 interlace07:05
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_2comment out and test Creationist07:06
Creationist_2: Well, I backed it up and now I'll test it ;)07:07
Creationist_2: Just requires an X restart, correct?07:07
usserCreationist: ok u know what my screen being almost the same i say screw the modline, try this http://pastebin.ca/72394407:07
usserCreationist: substitute your sections with this07:08
banjooieby the way07:09
banjooiefor irony's sake07:09
usserCreationist: 16th line should read 1400x105007:09
banjooieI was installing windows XP when it happened07:09
usserCreationist: first mode07:09
banjooieyes, over Ubuntu.07:09
banjooie:(07:09
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usserbye bye all07:09
Creationistusser: Thanks for your help07:09
Creationistbrb... gonna try this...07:09
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mmmiiikkkeeei read some where that konquerer was going to move to qt-web kit? is that supose to be better then khtml(witch seems to follow all the standards that NO one follows).  any one know any thing about this?07:10
stdinmmmiiikkkeee: #kde-devel will07:10
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mmmiiikkkeeeok thanks07:11
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elmo_hello07:14
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elmo_how to install an x-chat?07:14
crwebhow do i build a source package like  qc-usb-source ?07:14
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crwebi untar the /usr/src/qc-usb-source.tar.gz but no other info07:14
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stdinelmo_: open adept and search for xchat07:15
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intelikeyi hate this isp.07:15
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intelikeythis is just about the last straw.07:15
elmo_im new with kubuntu07:15
stdincrweb: there should be a README and/or INSTALL file, read those07:15
elmo_where can i find the adept?07:15
stdinelmo_: KMenu > System > Adept Manager07:15
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crwebstdin: seems to be the README distributed with the original source. don't see an INSTALL07:16
elmo_too many x-chat in here07:17
elmo_xchat-gnome?07:17
stdinxchat-gnome or xchat07:17
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elmo_thanks07:17
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npillowpatsis there a text based music player?07:17
intelikeynpillowpats sox07:18
stdinand mplayer07:18
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stdinand mp32107:18
stdinand vlc07:18
stdin(there are a few)07:18
CreationistHmm... well that didn't work lol07:18
intelikeyoh yeah  ?   mplayer does console ?07:18
WoodstokkGreetings everyone.  Noob to kubuntu here... just got it running the last few days. Is there a way to get Konversation to show more than one window at the same time?  So far, I don't see a way to do that.07:18
stdinintelikey: what? you didn't know?07:18
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CreationistWoodstokk: What other windows do you want it to show?07:19
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WoodstokkIt shows more than one window in a tab configuration...07:19
elmo_all installation will be on adept?07:19
Woodstokkum... 'CHANNEL' ....07:19
stdinintelikey: it's primarily a terminal app, you have to give it a -gui switch to get it to start a GUI :)07:19
stdinelmo_: yeah07:19
Woodstokkwhat I'd like to do is show a channel in one window...and another channel visible at same time in a different window07:19
elmo_ah ok07:20
elmo_cool :)07:20
stdinWoodstokk: nope07:20
Woodstokkinstead of tabbing07:20
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npillowpatsstdin : what about xmms?07:20
npillowpatsdoes that run in text?07:20
intelikeywell it's all vista'd out with fonts.... http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/3995607:20
elmo_after the installation do i have a shortcut on my desktop?07:20
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Woodstokkfigures!  Thanks stdin07:20
WoodstokkIs there another chat prog that could be used?07:20
stdinnpillowpats: I think that's only an X app07:20
intelikeynpillowpats vlc  :)07:21
mmmiiikkkeeeif your playing music over ssh is there an easy way to make the music play on the other computer?? or some thing similar/simple(i know it can be done with cat and mpg123...but is there any thing better?)07:21
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stdinelmo_: no, you'll have a link in the KMenu, under Internet07:21
intelikey!chat07:21
ubotuInstant Messenger Clients: Gaim (GNOME, http://help.ubuntu.com/community/GaimHowto), Kopete (KDE), both supporting MSN, Jabber, AIM, Gadu-Gadu, Novell Groupwise, ICQ and IRC.07:21
intelikeyWoodstokk ^07:21
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stdinintelikey: that's because it does subtitles too and stuff, so it needs fonts07:22
carlos como hago para saber simi procesador es de 64 o 32 bits? agradezco su ayuda!07:22
wiihow do i install more then one thing?07:22
Woodstokk'IRC' just from the name sounds like a possibility07:22
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stdinmmmiiikkkeee: over ssh, just do "ssh -X user@host" and start amarok or something07:22
stdin!es | carlos07:22
ubotucarlos: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.07:22
intelikeyWoodstokk irssi  bitchx07:22
npillowpatsbitchx is the best07:23
mmmiiikkkeeethat plays teh music on the other computer07:23
stdinwii: select more than one thing?07:23
Creationisthmm07:23
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districti'm back again - a mistake can make me look bad doesn't it?07:23
wiistdin: no i mean in the console07:23
intelikeythen why don't you use it ???  :)07:23
stdinmmmiiikkkeee: yeah, that's what you said you wanted07:23
stdinwii: sudo apt-get install app1 app2 appN ...07:23
mmmiiikkkeeeno the other way around07:23
mmmiiikkkeeesrry07:24
wiiok07:24
mmmiiikkkeeei want it to play my the computer that is doing the sshing07:24
stdinmmmiiikkkeee: no, unless you do it my way. install sshfs then "mount" a directory over ssh and play it in a local app :)07:24
districti got a Question again07:24
stdinmmmiiikkkeee: like "sshfs user@host:/home/you ~/some/empty/directory"07:25
mmmiiikkkeeeyea but then browesing the directories with the music can get slow??07:25
Woodstokkintelikey, I've never used terminal... is there a good info manual with irssi?07:26
Woodstokk(looking up bitchx right now too)07:26
stdinmmmiiikkkeee: works fine over wireless for me07:26
CreationistHey, is there a reason that /home/nrossin/.kde/share/config/kcmshellrc is owned by root?07:26
intelikeystdin would ssh user@ip play file.ogg not output locally ?   haven't treid it  but you can do things like    ssh blah@blah cat blah > file  and file will be local.07:26
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tetreaulwhat would be the purpose of playing music remotely?07:27
districtI have a bin file I downloaded from softpedia.com and i want to install it. How do I install it?07:27
intelikeyWoodstokk i don't know,  i use bx  :)     but the man pages for all cli apps are    man <appname>07:27
intelikeyWoodstokk man man07:27
districtAnyone please?07:27
mmmiiikkkeeeok :) cool thanks(i was looking for like a ssh -X -A ....to forward audio kind of thing...but this sounds like it could work too)07:28
stdinintelikey: no "ssh user@host cat file > file" works because your shell interprets the '>'07:28
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intelikeydistrict bash filename.bin07:28
tetreaul07:28
districtoh thanks again07:28
Woodstokkok, thanks.  Fishing for info now!  :)07:28
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stdinCreationist: probably because you ran kcontrol or systemsettings with sudo once07:29
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Jucatodistrict: what are you trying to install?07:29
districtwow you guys are great07:29
CrypTomhi all, I have several additional sources in sources.list. How can I easily see from within aptitude from which source a package is taken/upgraded?07:29
stdinI'm guessing nvidia/ati07:29
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intelikeystdin correct  but   ssh blah@blah    then after  cat blah > file   file is on the remote   so i just thought maybe you could output music the same way....  was worth a shot07:30
districtgoogleearth.bin07:30
districtsomething like it07:30
ugaintelikey: well, if ssh can tunnel udp (and therefore RTP), maybe you could07:31
stdinintelikey: I guess you could decode a file on remote to stdout then pipe that to /dev/dsp, but that's just being silly :p07:31
intelikeyoh i have no doubt that it could be done uga07:31
ugaif so, you can do RTP streaming using vlc07:32
stdinalso VLC can stream media to your network, but that's not over ssh07:32
intelikeycorrect07:32
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ugastdin: read what I just said... rtp over an SSH tunnel07:32
intelikeyvlc is the easy way07:32
stdinor just setup a http share, there are lots of ways07:32
Jucatodistrict: I see, then yeah: sh ./filename.bin would work.07:32
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stdinuga: I still like my way, it's simpler. just like playing a local file07:33
districtanyway, i really like kubuntu it's really great sotware07:33
intelikeyJucato might be better to use bash   you know how "bashic" packagers have gotten.07:33
districtand thanks again07:33
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intelikeysotware ?07:34
ugastdin: well, that sounds more like cheating, but heh, it should work too =)07:34
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ugaanyway, cya07:34
intelikeyhmm sot uphenism for drunkard     sotware = software for over imbibers07:35
Jucatointelikey: true. I always forget that sh -> dash...07:35
Jucatosnotware.. :)07:35
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districtthanks jucato, i'll be going now again thanks.07:35
intelikeyJucato software for trubblesom children ?07:35
Jucatobooger software...07:36
intelikey:)07:36
intelikeygood one.07:36
Woodstokknpillowpats:  I neglected to ask... is bitchx for terminal?  looks like it might be from the one lonely (tiny) snapshot I see so far.07:36
stdinit is07:36
intelikeyWoodstokk it is cli07:36
intelikeyWoodstokk what are you talking on right now ?07:37
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intelikeytalk/type/07:37
Woodstokkright now I'm about 99.5% yeathen till I get a little more info.07:37
nitinHi All07:37
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Woodstokktalking on an old Mac using IRCLE on OS907:37
intelikeyi C++07:37
nitinme talking on kubuntu ....07:38
Woodstokkhave been unable to stomach going to OSX so decided to start looking at Linux07:38
nitinis this the room where we can discuss, our intrest in development07:38
Woodstokktook an immediate liking to kubuntu07:38
nitin?07:38
npillowpatsWoodstokk : no, it works in console07:39
intelikeynitin yes.  but you will get asked to go elswhere for it...07:39
npillowpatsim on it right now, heh07:39
stdinnitin: no, #kubuntu-devel #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-motu are better places for that07:39
intelikeyor no    take your pick.07:39
nitinty07:39
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nitinirc.freenode.net@#ubuntu-mozillateam07:39
Woodstokkthe *ONLY* downside to kubuntu for me right now is a very large learning curve for a long time... but so far, it looks about irresistable as an overall system07:39
alexbob1I have a friend with a Dell Inspirion 1520 and Kubuntu won't boot on it.  it just gets up to sh with the prompt "(initrd)" and only the most basic tools.07:40
intelikeyhow about   /join #ubuntu-mozillateam07:40
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intelikeyyou are already on freenode.net07:40
nitinty i joing the mozilla team07:41
nitin:)07:41
intelikeybusybox shell in the initramfs  most likely alexbobp07:41
npillowpatsWoodstokk : i was using sabayon, a gentoo derivative (well, it is gentoo) and i was using kubuntu for a week or so waiting for my friend to get me a livedvd iso, and im just sticking with kubuntu because it has all my bases covered07:41
npillowpatsnot to say sabayon isnt a badass system07:41
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intelikeyall your _'s belong to _207:43
Woodstokknpillowpats : I looked at ubuntu in 2 versions, ydl, and OSX.3  ... somebody suggested kubuntu flavor... and it was 'game over'07:44
npillowpatsWoodstokk : i searched around for a while too07:44
npillowpatsi tried all the main linux OS's07:44
npillowpatsothers are nice, but this one is the most functional for me07:45
npillowpatsgentoo is my fave07:45
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npillowpatsafter learning a considerable amount of stuff07:45
intelikey*buntu = *buntu = *buntu       just add a desktop and some default apps    they are all the same system   and same repos.07:45
npillowpatsintelikey : heh, yeah07:45
alexbobpintelikey: yeah, that's the one07:45
WoodstokkOSX took away too much stuff I wanted.  So... that's why kubuntu gets the nod in my book07:45
alexbobpdo you know why it isn't getting past that?07:45
npillowpatsWoodstokk : by osx, do you mean mac?07:46
stdinintelikey = _2 = yintelikey = Agent_Bob, all the same ;)07:46
Woodstokkyes npillowpats07:46
purpleposeidonIs there a web-site archiver with a nice GUI?07:46
Woodstokknpillowpats: Have been a die hard Apple / Mac person for 20 years but getting ready to get off dependence on that boat now07:47
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npillowpatsWoodstokk : ive never used it, but i like the open sense of linux07:48
Jucatopurpleposeidon: Konquero has one. in the Tools menu07:48
npillowpatsyou can do anything and everything, free, moddable, fixable07:48
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purpleposeidonyes, but that only does the page. I want a bunch more than that!07:48
stdins/Konquero/Konqueror/07:48
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yintelikecan't use the business connection for private stuff, there are still a few things i'd like to do before i disappear from planet earth...07:49
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Woodstokknpillowpats: if all else fails, chat on the mac and do other stuff on kubuntu as it gets familiar07:49
npillowpatswii : work from console, keeps you from being distracted, that is the lesson i now know07:50
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npillowpatsWoodstokk : what do you mean by chat?07:50
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Woodstokknpillowpats : Meant that I'd do what we're doing here with the mac and other stuff on kubuntu as it gets clearer item by item.07:50
_2Woodstokk konversation is the default "kubuntu" irc client07:51
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npillowpatsWoodstokk : you can use irc, aim on kubuntu07:51
_2!konversation07:51
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about konversation - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi07:51
npillowpatsill give you the apt-get program commands, heh07:51
Woodstokknpillowpats : yeah, it was easy to find, easy to use, and is workable... but would like the ability to see more than one channel at a time.07:51
npillowpatsxchat?07:52
_2you can do that with almost any of them.07:52
stdinxchat has a similar interface to konversation07:52
npillowpatstheres a UI front end for bitchx as well07:52
npillowpatsi just open bitchx up in a few terminals07:52
npillowpatswhich is why my name always messes up07:52
_2you can split the screen in bx console07:52
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_2or use tabs   or just have two windows in one window   (the default)07:53
Woodstokkpillowpants_ : Don't know how to even use terminal... much less more than one at a time07:53
_2daz one reason i like bx    it's one of the few apps that the defaults suit me.07:54
Woodstokkthat's probably 'lesson two' over the next few weeks07:54
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_2terminals scare me.07:54
_2that's why i stick to consoles     :)07:55
pillowpants_Woodstokk : once i learned how to use it, i loved it07:55
pillowpants_you can do anything with it07:55
pillowpants__2: whats the difference between terminal and console? arent they the same thing?07:55
Woodstokkpillowpants_ : so.... what's the diff between 'console' and 'terminal'?07:55
Woodstokkum.... sorry\07:55
pillowpants_shell vs console vs terminal?07:55
pillowpants_i am unsure07:55
pillowpants_different words for the same thing07:56
_2shell vs console vs terminal <<<<    that's like    "a" verses "a in c" verses "a in x"  ....07:56
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stdinshells run in a console/terminal07:57
pillowpants__2: you just confused me07:57
pillowpants_stdin: ah right07:57
pillowpants_but console vs terminal?07:57
pillowpants_id say console is strictly console, and terminal is a console opened in x07:57
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_2that will work.07:58
stdinshells are "applications" terminals are normally physical devices and consoles are the software (or something like that)07:58
pillowpants_stdin: ah, i see07:58
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stdinit's all confusing and goes back to the "old" days, where man were men and knew C :p07:59
pillowpants_C scares me07:59
pillowpants_i can barely learn python07:59
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pillowpants_Woodstokk : we all are, i think08:00
pillowpants_i like to think08:00
pillowpants_id*08:01
_2the kernel provides you with several consoles on the terminal you see.  and when a shell is started in one of those consoles you have the basic "console interface"    now.    xorg also runs inside one of those consoles, normally the seventh one.   tty7    the hot keys   [L_alt] +[f1-12]   select the first 12 ttys   [R_alt] +[f1-12]    the next 12 i.e. 13-2408:01
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pillowpants__2: cleared it up08:02
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_2to break out of xorg you must add the [ctrl]  key to the normal hot key08:03
stdin"cli" is the easy way of saying it :)08:03
_2but cli could refer to a console  or a vertual-termainal  like konsole or gnome-terminal08:03
stdinexactly08:04
_2or xterm or rxvt or any of the many *term apps.08:04
aldanonanyone tried out the new 64bit x-fi drivers yet?08:04
stdincli: "the bit where you type the things what that you want it to do"08:04
_2cli = command line interface    quite generic.   could even be the terminal emulator in konqueror08:05
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aldanon_2 do you have much experience with compiling drivers?08:06
_2the shell  can be any of an assortment of command inturpretors as well    bash dash tcsh csh zsh  or even something exotic like command.com08:06
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_2aldanon no.08:06
_2aldanon i don't compile unless needed,  and seldom need too08:07
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aldanondoesn't seem anyone is too interested in the topic heh08:07
aldanoni've been waiting 2 years for this x-fi driver, but have no idea how to compile it08:08
_2too finish up  ^ ... command.com  or perl or python       and yes i can't leave the plug at M$ out of it....  i did like command.com until i learned better.08:08
_2aldanon ok.   do you have build-essential installed   start there.08:09
pillowpants_is there a text based image viewer?08:09
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_2aldanon then  use   apt-get build-deps    to get the deps and  compile as normal08:10
Woodstokk2 : is there someplace in the help docs (haven't found yet- looking right now) that talks through cli... getting started with it for somebody wearing the short pants at this stage?08:10
_2!cli | Woodstokk08:10
pillowpants_Woodstokk : google?08:10
_2bot down ???08:10
aldanonyou have IM _2?08:10
ubotuWoodstokk: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal08:11
_2aldanon no.08:11
Woodstokk (cli = command line interface)08:11
_2aldanon and about to leave anyway.    you can ask in  #ubuntu     compiling is not kde specific.08:11
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_2didn't i just say that.08:11
Woodstokkyeah, but I was too stupid to read that before I replied08:12
_2anyway   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal might have some interesting facts and maybe a link or two08:12
_2i'm all out of talk now.08:13
Woodstokkk.  I was looking for info in the kubuntu help docs at first.  Hadn't yet tried google08:13
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Woodstokkthanks for the info.  Good stuff to fish through for a bit.08:13
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Jucatoto what?08:14
_2can't imagine them accepting that i'm out of talk....08:14
pillowpants_Woodstokk : you could type "man console" into a terminal08:15
pillowpants_and read the man page08:15
Jucatooh yeah I can.08:15
_2gooday all     and shalom08:15
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Jucatowhen _2 is out of talk, Agent_Bob will take over08:15
_2lol08:15
Jucatoand then intelikey.. and the cycle goes on08:15
Woodstokkpillowpants_: Didn't even know that much 2 minutes ago.  ok... let me play with that a bit too!08:16
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pillowpants_Woodstokk : man pages were a revolution for myself, and a good source of help for the many problems i had with a few programs08:18
Woodstokkpillowpants_ : Yes, found it already.  Starting reading.  Also have a google page laying on the OS9 machine to read in a bit too.08:19
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Woodstokkpillowpants_ : (and a couple others) Thanks for the help.  Have a lot to read for a while08:24
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pillowpants_Woodstokk : no problem08:25
Woodstokkthe learning curve on this is going to be astronomical... but its better than being ticked off at S Jobbs for the next 20 years for taking stuff out of OSX08:26
pillowpants_Woodstokk : its not that bad, took me a week or so to be coherent08:28
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pillowpants_pretty quick08:28
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pillowpants_Woodstokk : even gentoo, which is hard to learn, only took me a short while08:28
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pillowpants_i mean, what do you need to learn really?08:29
Woodstokkbrowsing and email fired up pretty intuitive on day one08:29
pillowpants_email, internet browser, aim, music, games, movies are all there really08:29
pillowpants_the hardest thing i encountered was getting my video card to work properly, next was learning wine08:29
Woodstokkchat started fairly easy... call me nit picky though08:30
pillowpants_then after that, just getting the commands for console down08:30
Woodstokkoh hey, that is another thing08:30
pillowpants_chat? how so?08:30
WoodstokkI threw this on an old iMac...08:30
pillowpants_i use pidgin for most chat08:30
Woodstokkattached a second monitor to it08:30
Woodstokkthe main imac monitor went black08:31
Woodstokkright now its hard to decide if its better to run on one monitor and just leave as is... or try to fire up the second08:31
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Woodstokkso far, the multidesktops thing is a cool way to resolve the two monitor thing08:31
pillowpants_Woodstokk : undoubtedly someone had your problem before, and google will tell you08:32
pillowpants_Woodstokk : yeah, multiple desktop rules08:32
pillowpants_set your hot keys for ctl + arrows for quick shifting08:32
pillowpants_kde doesnt have it standard08:32
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Woodstokkso far, have been more interested in making sure the software itself is doing what I want than two monitors08:32
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pillowpants_Woodstokk : what software are you trying to get to work08:33
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Woodstokkworking it slowly... chat is the #1 thing right now08:33
Woodstokkthen... a bit of graphics.  Would like something that has some similarity to photoshop type of app soon08:33
Woodstokkor... if you happen to know Mac software, the old Graphic Converter program is very flexible and nice08:34
garyhi, what's a good widget program for Kubuntu Feisty?08:34
pillowpants_Woodstokk : gimp for sure08:34
pillowpants_its a photoshop copy basically08:35
Woodstokkgimp equivalent to GC?08:35
Woodstokkoh COOL!08:35
Woodstokkmight it ever open up old PS documents?08:35
pillowpants_Woodstokk : i couldnt say, but maybe08:35
pillowpants_im sure theres a plugin or something08:35
chernov 08:36
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garycheers to the beryl - adept orb fix08:36
chernovvsem privet08:36
stdin!ru08:36
ubotu   #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke08:36
chernovstdin: idi nahuy08:37
stdin!en | chernov08:37
ubotuchernov: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat08:37
chernovubotu: idi nahuy08:37
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about idi nahuy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi08:37
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pillowpants_haha, english only!08:37
garyanyone know a good program for widgets in kubuntu?08:38
pillowpants_gary: google it?08:38
stdinpillowpants: he's a troll, he can speak english just fine08:38
garyi found screenlets, but it's not in the repos08:38
pillowpants_stdin : what makes you say that?08:38
stdingary: superkaramba08:39
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garyic, thanks stdin08:39
stdinpillowpants_: because it's not the 1st time he's tried that in here08:39
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stdingary: and you may want to find a new nick before the "real" gary comes online ;)08:39
garyheh08:40
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pillowpants_stdin : ah, i see08:40
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gary_lol, how many underscores does it take to use my name that isn't already taken08:41
stdin50008:41
stdin(gary is a popular nick)08:42
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Woodstokktry 'garyyyyyyyyyyy' you might get 'lucky'08:42
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gary_of_NYCwoot08:43
stdinnow register it, quick! :p08:43
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gary_of_NYC<<bows to the fellas who got adept-updater orb out of my tray08:46
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pillowpants_stdin : how do you register?08:47
stdin!register08:47
ubotuInformation about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration08:47
pillowpants_ive been using this one for a while, and no one has taken it08:47
pillowpants_oh, freenode08:48
stdinyeah, "irc.ubuntu.com" is just an alias to "irc.freenode.net"08:48
gary_of_NYCspeakin of which, if i installed PS CS under wine, will it also install background services like it does in Windows haha08:48
pillowpants_whats PS CS?08:49
gary_of_NYCphotoshopCS08:49
stdini can safely say "no"08:49
stdin#winehq will know more than me tho08:50
pillowpants_gary_of_NYC : ah08:50
pillowpants_gary_of_NYC : dont like gimp?08:50
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emilsedghi heard photoshop 6 or 7 runs fine with wine, but why?08:50
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gary_of_NYCi've used PS for a long time, but gimp is cool too08:51
pillowpants_gary_of_NYC : yeah08:51
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pillowpants_well im off to bed08:55
pillowpants_see ya08:55
stdinlater08:55
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Christian_hi09:09
Christian_i need help09:09
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WoodstokkJust finished downloading Gimp.  Doesn't show up in the menu.  Is it installed?  How do I find it?09:09
tetreauldunno if I can help... but hi!09:09
Christian_i need install kde desktop in ubuntu 6.1009:10
tetreaulwoodstokk - I'm sure you have to install it before it will be installed ;)09:10
Christian_how can install?09:10
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Jucato!kubuntu | Christian_09:11
ubotuChristian_: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE09:11
Jucatoer sorry09:11
JucatoChristian_: install the package called "kubuntu-desktop"09:11
Christian_but iam running Ubuntu09:13
Christian_and i want install KDE desktop in ubuntu09:13
Christian_okay09:13
stdin!kde09:13
ubotuKDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.09:13
tetreaulChristian_:         sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop09:13
Christian_i have other cuestion:/09:13
stdinWoodstokk: it should be in KMenu > Graphics09:13
Christian_beryl how can install?09:13
Woodstokkthat's where I looked stdin... a little surprised to not find it there09:13
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tetreaulChristian_: isn't beryl for gnome?09:14
JucatoWoodstokk: how did you install it?09:14
Woodstokkthe info (Adept) said it was downloaded and installed09:14
Jucatotetreaul: not necessarily09:14
JucatoWoodstokk: hm.. ok.. try this. Alt+F2, "kbuildsycoca"09:14
Woodstokkam I missing something major?09:14
Jucato then look in K Menu -> Graphics again09:14
stdinWoodstokk: try "kbuildsycoca"09:15
Christian_    sudo apt-get install beryl emerald emerald-themes ?09:15
Jucato!beryl | Christian_09:15
ubotuChristian_: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects09:15
Christian_okay09:15
Christian_thank u09:15
Christian_:D09:15
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JennitheowlAllo ^.^09:18
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WoodstokkJucato : Hey that worked!   Did that just rebuild the menu?09:19
Jucatoin a way, yes09:19
Jennitheowlnow x.o im gonna probaly get flammed and called a massive newbie for this, but how does one obtain wine? x.x  and subsequently use it?09:19
Jennitheowl*hides under the noob rock*09:20
Jucato!wine09:20
ubotuwine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.09:20
Jennitheowlthanks!09:20
Jennitheowl^.^09:20
JucatoJennitheowl: just install the wine package, and use it like "wine filename.exe"09:20
Jennitheowl:D09:20
JennitheowlJucato: <309:20
Jucato:)09:21
JennitheowlI just got off work taboot, so my head is throbbing and i got so much help in here last night so i thought id come and ask again :)09:21
Jennitheowl>.> im really new to linux, and am making a collosal newbie of myself again but what might the "universe repository" be?09:24
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Jucato!universe | Jennitheowl09:25
ubotuJennitheowl: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu09:25
Jucatohope that helps a bit09:26
Jucato(sorry not much time to talk)09:26
WoodstokkAnybody here ever been able to open a Photoshop document using Gimp?  It looks suspiciously similar in function.09:26
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WoodstokkTo those of you who have offered info: Thanks much.  I'm gone for the night but fast turning into a Linux convert.  Halliluya!  I have seen the light!   G'nite all!09:33
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Jennitheowl*beats head into keyboard* why do i try and learn after midnight with a headache?09:36
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stdinbecause it's the Linux way09:37
Jennitheowllol09:37
Jennitheowlx.o im not a bright girl sometimes, ya know?09:37
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Jucatoactually.. the Linux way is the "try and learn".. the WIndows way is the headache :)09:38
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JennitheowlHaha X309:38
Jucato(my way is the beating head into the keyboard)09:38
stdinmy way is "try it, fail, reformat, repeat until success"09:38
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Jucatominus the reformat (hopefully)09:38
Jennitheowli never really has the scary issues with windows some people did >.> but i swear im the only person who could destroy the apple os's and never know how or what the fuck i did09:39
stdinwell, with major things09:39
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Jucatolanguage please :)09:39
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JennitheowlO.o no worries...09:39
stdinyou see, ubotu doesn't like "bad" language :p09:40
JennitheowlX309:40
stdin!language09:40
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.09:40
stdinsee ^ :)09:40
stdinsilly ol' bot09:40
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waylandbill_it seems that the only way to keep windows safe is to never connect it to the internet. :)09:42
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stdins/connect it to the internet/power it on/09:43
Jucatos/power it on/boot it/09:44
waylandbill_ok. never connect it to the net and never install anything. :)09:44
Jucato(Linux might be on the same computer.. never powering it on means never using Linux)09:44
Jennitheowlso...guess is hould grabt hat driver befoer i open wow >.> lolol09:44
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Jucatowaylandbill_: how about keeping Windows inside the CD only? :)09:45
stdinjust format the disk if a windows cd got too close to the HDD09:45
morca007Can anyone recommend a decent graphical config tool for KDE?09:45
Jucatomorca007: what exactly are you looking for?09:45
stdinsystem settings/kcontrol not doing it for you?09:45
morca007similar to Envy09:45
Jucatoalmost all configuration in KDE have GUI's09:46
Jennitheowlokay, now here comes another fun question or 2 from me!09:46
JucatoSystem Settings -> Monitor & Display?09:46
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stdinuse envy, if you don't mind a broken system09:46
JennitheowlQuestion one, how does one get there usb headset working?09:46
Jucato!envy09:46
ubotuenvy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!09:46
morca007Hence my not using envy. ;)09:46
morca007I guess I'll stick with the default tools09:47
Jucatostdin: I live it in your capable hands... which I will cut off later :)09:47
stdinJennitheowl: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound is a place to start with that09:47
Jucato(so that I could borrow it for myself...)09:47
Jennitheowli was going to say you should graft them to your nostrals :D09:47
stdinJucato: heh, I'll try but I'm not 100% here for long today09:47
JennitheowlQuestion 2!09:47
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Jucatostdin: neither am I... I sat on this work too long.. now I have to cram :(09:48
JennitheowlI got the driver for my graphics card from the nvidia page :) how do i install it?09:48
stdindon't, use the packages09:48
stdin!nvidia09:48
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto09:48
stdinwell, that 2nd question was easy :)09:48
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JennitheowlSystem  Administration  Restricted Devices Manager (doesnt seem to exist for me >.> )09:49
Jucatostdin: ^^^ just love that09:50
stdinwhy do I edit the wiki with a "Note:" if no one reads it?09:50
stdin"Note: If you are using Kubuntu, please follow the instructions for Ubuntu 6.10"09:51
Jennitheowlshhhh >.>09:52
Jennitheowlim tired >.>09:52
stdinthat's it, I'm making the whole think bold, underlined and italicised09:52
Jennitheowlsize 20 font too !09:52
Jennitheowl:D09:52
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Jennitheowlokay T_T now im just crying at how bad i missed that09:52
stdinyou aren't the only one to just not see it09:53
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JennitheowlNote: you have to select the restricted modules first because the nvidia-glx package automatically installs the i386 one - and if you have a generic kernel image, the X will not work.)09:55
Jennitheowlnow with this part, im not sure quite what it means09:55
Jennitheowllike when i look at the resticted modules, they are all generic, so is that what it means? x.o to be sure and not jump to assumptions09:55
stdinit's ok then, you already have the restricted-modules09:57
stdinI think i made the note more noticeable now09:57
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Jucatostdin: the instructions for Ubuntu 6.10 do still say use Synaptic right?10:01
stdinJucato: no, apt-get10:01
Jucatooh yeah, after enabling the repos. hm..10:02
stdin(tho I need to rewrite the page really)10:02
Jucatoplease :)10:02
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stdinhumf, can't I just add the gutsy instructions, it's easy in gutsy :p10:02
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stdinI wish kate could do ubuntu wiki highlighting10:03
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manouche.part10:04
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Jennitheowlback10:07
emilsedghis there any statistics showing how many users does ubuntu and kubuntu have?10:07
JennitheowlReally had to get some fresh air ^.^10:07
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VSpikebah... a slight flicker and tear on windows moving is only a small thing, and doesn't exactly affect usability, but I cannot begin to describe how much I am obsessed about it now I've seen it10:10
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senfmanhi10:15
senfmanI habe a problem with my wireless card (prism54) under kubuntu.10:16
senfmanit registers with the access point, but I can not get a dhcp address.10:16
senfmanunder windows the card seems to work without problems.10:16
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Remo_Awhen is the kde4 beta state over?10:23
stdinwhen it's releases10:23
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Remo_Aaren't there any deadlines or anything?10:23
stdinaround December sometime10:23
Remo_Aok10:23
Remo_Aty10:23
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Jucatobeta 3 is due to be *tagged*  on the 10th10:24
ardchoilleJucato: Is there any chance that kde4 will be default in Hardy Herron?10:26
stdinnope10:26
Jucatonope10:26
ardchoilleok10:26
Jucatonada10:26
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stdinHardy will be an LTS release, so no way10:26
ardchoillelol10:26
ardchoillestdin: Oh, that's right.10:26
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Jucatozit10:26
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emilsedghJucato: will be announced 10 october, tagging is today (i think)10:28
Jucatoemilsedgh: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule#October_10.2C_2007:_Beta310:29
Jucatoyou are probably referring to the (vaguely named) Development Platform freeze...10:29
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emilsedghJucato: they changed it again, 3 october was planned for tagging beta310:30
Jucatothey'ved announced the change a week ago10:31
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emilsedgh2 months and 8 days until announcement :D10:31
Jucatoanyway... a 30 minute break..10:32
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crackhead_25question for anyone: i have a lacie firewire external hard drive. it's formated in ntfs, i believe, and filled with data. what is the command line command to see if it is actually formatted in ntfs? how can i make it visible in my /etc/fstab so that i can use ntfs-3g with it, instead of standard ntfs? thanks!10:39
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=== Topic for #kubuntu: FAQ: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/CommonQuestions | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFeistyKnownProblems | Free Kubuntu CDs! https://shipit.kubuntu.org | Large pastes: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Offtopic in #kubuntu-offtopic please. | KDE 4.0 beta 2 -- http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php | Gutsy help _only_ in #ubuntu+1
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strog_hi10:45
strog_i have installed the nvidia driver and did a restart and now im experiencing a massive system lag10:46
strog_im using kubuntu10:46
strog_any ideas how to solve this problem10:47
aantipopstrog_: whats your card ?10:47
ardchoillestrog_: Open a terminal and run: top10:48
ardchoillestrog_: It may not be the nvidia drivers.10:48
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strog_i have an nvidia 6100 Go10:48
strog_i have top in front of me10:48
ardchoilleok10:48
aantipopstrog_: you did install nvidia-glx-new ?10:49
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strog_you mean the newest version?10:49
aantipopyes10:50
berkesweird: whenever I disconnect from the weg/network, e.g. when travveling in the train, NetworkManager makes "localhost" unreachable.10:50
aantipopwhat's on top of top ? ;)10:50
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berkesif I kill NetworkManager then localhost works just fine again.10:50
berkesis this a known bug? Anyone else having the same problems?10:51
strog_aantitop: i have the xorg task on first place10:51
afiestasberkes paste in rafb.net/paste your /etc/network/interfaces10:51
aantipopstrog_: how did you install your nvidia driver ?10:52
strog_i went to /etc/init.d/kdm stop10:52
strog_and did the sh command10:52
strog_then started it again10:52
aantipopwhat ubuntu version are you using ?10:53
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strog_i just did the distribution upgrade10:53
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aantipopto gutsy or feisty ?10:53
strog_feisty10:53
aantipopi recommend you to stop kdm again10:53
aantipopsh the installer and uninstall it10:53
strog_ok 1 sec10:54
aantipopnot now10:54
aantipopthen just sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-new10:54
strog_aantitop: done10:54
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berkesafiestas: http://pastie.caboo.se/103239 my /etc/network/interfaces.10:56
strog_aantipop: done now what10:57
aantipopstrog_: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable10:58
aantipopthen reboot and tell us if you have still performance issues10:58
afiestasberkes do a backup and then remplace "auto lo eth0 eth1" for "auto lo"10:58
strog_aantipop im getting wierd shell messages10:59
strog_hdc: drive not ready for command10:59
aantipopno idea why11:00
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strog_let me restart and stay in the shell11:00
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afiestasthen save it and do this command (it will restart your network service) /etc/init.d/networking restart11:00
aantipopstrog:_ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg11:00
aantipopstrog:_ choose nvidia as driver11:00
strog_aantipop: not "nvidia-glx-config enable"11:01
aantipopthat should have done that11:01
strog_ok give me a sec11:01
berkesafiestas. thanks. While at it, any idea why NetworkManager is not under init.d/ but at etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager ?11:01
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stdinberkes: because it's a dbus service, not a stand-alone service11:03
stdinJucato: you've had your 30mins :p take a look at my diff https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia?action=diff&rev2=120&rev1=118 :)11:04
crackhead_25anyone have an idea on my question? stdin?11:04
crackhead_25question for anyone: i have a lacie firewire external hard drive. it's formated in ntfs, i believe, and filled with data. what is the command line command to see if it is actually formatted in ntfs? how can i make it visible in my /etc/fstab so that i can use ntfs-3g with it, instead of standard ntfs? thanks!11:04
stdinpost what "sudo fdisk -l" shows when it's plugged in (to pastebin)11:05
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berkesafiestas: that broke NetworkManager completely: it dit no longer know how to use eth0/eth1 to connect.11:10
afiestasnetworkmanage don't manage any interfaces listed in /etc/network/interfaces11:10
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afiestasif you wan manage your interfaces with it, you need remove any entry from /etc/network/interfaces11:11
afiestasand then restart it with11:11
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berkesafiestas: this one is bothering me more, though: http://pastie.caboo.se/103241 resolv.conf containing a hardwired nameserver. ITs there too when I'm not connected11:11
berkesafiestas: hmm, okay, so NetworkManager only Manages networks who's interfaces are /not/ in /etc/network/interfaces ?11:12
afiestasit is because networkmanager get the nameserver with dhcp11:12
afiestasyes berkes11:12
afiestasit in kubuntu is called "manual mode"11:12
afiestasand networkmanager is called "roaming mode"11:12
berkesafiestas: sure thing, but then why is that nameserver still there when I am not connected?11:13
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berkesafaik that would break the ability to let linux resolve any local hostnames in, say /etc/hosts/ when the nameserver is unreacahble, not?11:13
afiestasi don't know berkes :(11:13
berkesno prob.11:13
afiestasi use another network daemon, wicd11:14
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afiestasbecause i need static ip + wpa support11:14
tomamy installation is stuck at downloading language files. Can I get it to skip that part for now and continue?11:14
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tomagutsy - beta11:14
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jennitheowlhead..pain...T_T so bad i cant even sleep11:14
jennitheowlQuestion time >.> how the fuck do i get wow to work? x.x11:16
stdin!language | jennitheowl11:16
ubotujennitheowl: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.11:16
jennitheowli was just about to say that :\11:16
jennitheowlsorry :\11:16
stdin!games11:16
ubotuInformation about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php11:16
berkesdarn. still no luck; I removed all references to eth0/eth1 from /etc/networking/interfaces and restarted network and NetworkManager. But still, when that NetworkManager is running, and I am not connected to the net, localhost won't resolve.11:17
jennitheowlokay now has anybody here run wow yet? beacuse ive seen that already, the game loads up, but i crashes almost soon after11:17
jennitheowlas soon as i log into a char i mean11:17
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jennitheowl>.> i swear, ive asked too many questions havent i?11:19
gintaki can't hear any sound when i play 3gp sound..pls help11:20
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gintaki can't hear any sound when i play 3gp files..pls help -->edited11:20
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aantipopgintak: try vlc11:21
lz1gjdhi, whats the name of that little program included in kubuntu which you can use to calculate math. expressions ?11:21
dreenhowzit11:21
jennitheowlallo dreen11:21
aantipoplz1gjd: speedcrunch11:21
lz1gjdoh yeah11:21
lz1gjdthx11:21
lz1gjd:)11:21
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gintakalready tried vlc aantipop11:22
gintakstill can't hear any sound11:22
aantipopgintak: cant help you then, works for me :/11:23
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jtmoneyhow do i enable compiz in gutsy?11:23
jtmoneyeverything i've found is for ubuntu, not kubuntu11:23
jennitheowlOh!11:23
jennitheowli know that one!11:23
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stdinjtmoney: #ubuntu+111:23
jennitheowli was told how to earlier T_T11:23
stdin!away > apol|work11:24
jennitheowl:\11:24
apol|workstdin: ???11:24
jtmoneyjennitheowl: hit me11:24
jennitheowljtmoney: give me a min, i have a MASSIVE headache and im trying to remeber before work11:24
jtmoneyokay11:24
jennitheowl(its a link, im just trying to remeber what it was beacuse it was linked to my mobile )11:24
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jennitheowlugh, cant find it, sorry friend T_T11:25
jtmoneyno biggie, thanks anyways11:25
mzolisihi all11:25
xstWhere do I enable desktop effects in gutsy?=11:26
mzolisiQuick Question11:26
stdinxst: #ubuntu+111:26
jennitheowlAnd a question here too, how do i enable a usb headset? especialy one running with dsp11:26
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mzolisi:How can I connect to irc.blabber.net from behind a firewall11:27
mzolisiI've used tunneling before, but im not too clued up about it11:27
mzolisiAnd there's the CGI:IRC perl module too, but it's performance is kinda not up to scratch, laggy11:28
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mzolisiANYBODY HOME?11:28
jennitheowlDun think so :(11:29
mzolisiHey jenni? can i ask you something?11:30
jennitheowlPerhaps11:30
jennitheowldont know how much help i could be11:30
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mzolisiCorrection: May I ask you something (still self referential, arg - dog chasing it's tail)11:31
jennitheowl:\ go ahead!11:31
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mzolisiDo you connect to 'irc.blabber.net' from Kubuntu?11:31
jennitheowli just ran konversation >.>11:32
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mzolisiand you can connect to 'irc.blabber.net'?11:32
jennitheowlNo idea >.> im a newbie asking all the questions11:33
jennitheowlXD11:33
jennitheowlwell bed time for me!11:33
jennitheowlgnite!11:33
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spacemadnessAnyone need help? just msg me11:35
stdinmzolisi: if you can connect here, there's not reason to not be able to connect to the other server11:36
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ardchoillespacemadness: If you want to be able to pm with identified users, you might consider registering your nick.12:05
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enjoi1216hey can anybody on here help me setup firefox 2.0.0.7 on my comp ?12:08
ardchoilleenjoi1216: Any reason you want 2.0.0.l7 when 2.0.0.6 is in the repos?12:08
mzolisiyeah sure12:08
jtmoneyenjoi1216: sudo apt-get install firefox? or do you want to compile it from scratch?12:08
jtmoneyohh, so 2.0.0.6 is in the repos12:09
enjoi1216it's just the latest version ardchoille12:09
jtmoneysudo apt-get build-dep firefox; then download the firefox source; ./configure, make, make install i'm sure12:09
enjoi1216wel jtmoney you can go to the webpage and download it12:09
ardchoilleYou can download it and run it from $HOME and you don't need to compile anything.12:10
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ardchoilleAnd, the latest isn't always the best12:10
enjoi1216well yeah i know but i just want to get exposed to it12:10
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ardchoilleok12:10
enjoi1216thats all because i love software exposure12:10
enjoi1216ok ardchoille i clicked to download the file now what do i do do i need klik open or save as12:12
ardchoilleenjoi1216: No idea, I don't things that aren't in the repos.12:12
enjoi1216well but see heres the thing ardchoille you can go to the firefox webite and download it12:13
ardchoilleenjoi1216: Sure, but I don't need to do that because the firefox in the repos works and doesn't crash :)12:13
enjoi1216because if you go to the website it says right on there firefox download for linux12:13
enjoi1216hey jtmoney12:14
enjoi1216could you please help me12:14
enjoi1216could somebody in this room show me how to do this the right way12:15
ardchoilleenjoi1216: The right way? Sure.. sudo apt-get install firefox12:16
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jtmoneyhaha12:16
jtmoneyyeah, the one in the repos is the best way to go12:16
enjoi1216i know that jtmoney12:16
enjoi1216lol12:16
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enjoi1216but i'm just saying12:16
enjoi1216ok heres the deal jtmoney12:17
osh_If "backports" are enabled then FF will be automatically installed when a new one has been built, no?12:17
enjoi1216go to http://www.firefox.com12:17
mzolisiAny IRC gurus in the house?12:17
ardchoilleSeriously, one of the reasons I have never had a problem in *buntu is because I don't use things that aren't in the repos. It's when you ignore the repos and start using outside apps, scripts, etc that you start having problems.12:17
jtmoneyardchoille: exactly12:17
mzolisiinstalling from source usually gives me the best results though, a bit tedious but pays off in the long run12:18
mzolisiYou should stick to one of the two, source or package installation12:19
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enjoi12162.0.0.7 for linux i686 9.2 MB12:19
crackhead_25can anyone help with my question?12:19
enjoi1216well see archoille you can download the file or you can open it it's just when you download it you can't get it opened to get it installed12:20
enjoi1216you can save it or you can open it12:20
crackhead_25stdin: sorry didnt see your response. paste: http://pastebin.ca/72410412:21
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slimjimflimhi, i just installed kde, but now i can't open a shell12:22
bazhanghello12:22
crackhead_25stdin: any thoughts?12:22
slimjimflimwhat gives?12:22
enjoi1216hey ardchoille did you hear anybody say anybody say anything about me getting banned this weekend12:22
crackhead_25stdin: it's /dev/sdb1 which is the pertinent one..12:23
ardchoilleslimjimflim: alt+f2, type in "konsole", click Run12:23
ardchoilleenjoi1216: No12:23
enjoi1216well i didn't know because i tried to reenter the room tha day when i was talking about defragmenting linux and i got booted12:24
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enjoi1216so i didn't know what happened12:24
ardchoilleenjoi1216: Were you perhaps arguing with someone who might have told you that you don't have to defragment Linux?12:24
enjoi1216wayland bill but i didn't know he ran the server12:25
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ardchoilleenjoi1216: He might not run it, but the ops here try to keep channel "noise" to a minimum12:25
enjoi1216well yeah thats understandable12:26
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enjoi1216well after that day ardchoille i mean if i can't get help with what i need then i'll just seek it somewhere else12:27
enjoi1216i'm not saying that to be rude but it's just not worth it anymore not that i'm trying to be too off topic12:27
ardchoilleThat's the best advice. But, remember to ask your question more than once (after a decent pause) because people come and go here often12:28
mzolisiCool Article on improving Kubuntu Performance : http://www.smartadmin.in/fiesty12:28
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enjoi1216yeah but you know i'm really trying to open linux up and do new and different possibilities12:29
enjoi1216do=to12:29
mzolisido=explore12:30
ardchoillemzolisi: Nice article12:30
stdincrackhead_25: ok, you seem to have 3 other hard drives. just use the right one in a line like this in fstab "/dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs-3g defaults,umask=000 0 0"12:30
bazhanghello, all.12:31
enjoi1216see because ardchoille my college professor said once long ago that linux is very powerful software12:32
enjoi1216brb room need to get something to drink12:32
ardchoilleenjoi1216: It is.. *if* you use it right12:32
bazhangI asked this before, and intelikey answered it, but I had to run out before I could write it down--for adding a Sata extrenal linux install to grub is it referred to as sda?12:32
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mzolisiThx, ardchoille. Just a bit scared of fiddling with kernel and partitions right now12:33
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bazhangextrenal=external12:33
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ardchoillemzolisi: I have never had reason to mess with the kernel.. and my lack of experience in that is greater than my need for a 0.01 performance boost.12:33
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mzolisihaha @ ardchoille12:36
mzolisifair enough12:36
crackhead_25stdin, i need a little more precise step by step instruction12:36
crackhead_25i'm not exactly sure what you mean..12:36
enjoi1216well you know something ardchoille i wonder if linux is powerful enough to have software to dynotune cars12:36
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crackhead_25stdin, for instance, how do i know what the uid number is? the other lines in the etc/fstab have uid lines..?12:36
stdincrackhead_25: how many drives do you have connected?12:36
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crackhead_25i have.. about 312:36
crackhead_25i think12:36
crackhead_25two internal, one ext12:37
stdincrackhead_25: well, you don't need uid,12:37
stdincrackhead_25: the "umask=0000" takes care of that12:37
mzolisiDYNOTUNE Cars? Is that something like the Tesla Car?12:37
crackhead_25hm..12:37
enjoi1216no it's when you are performance tuning a car like most usually it's done through windows12:37
enjoi1216like when you are trying to make a car more faster12:38
mzolisiOh I see12:38
enjoi1216or set a car up for drifting or faster dragtime12:38
crackhead_25stdin, so i should add your line exactly as you typed it, and then i should restart, and is hould be able to recognize that drive? can you explain what that line you typed is?12:38
jtmoneyrice boys12:38
mzolisiso you hoop up sensors to the various components and based on those metrics you'll tweak as necessary12:39
enjoi1216but the main point is that i know they make dynotuning software is available for windows but do they make it for linux12:39
mzolisii mean hook12:39
peter_my wolfenstien sound dont function12:39
stdincrackhead_25: you need to create the directory you want to mount it to, eg: /media/windows first. then you just need to do "sudo mount -a" and it should be there12:39
mzolisiStill playing WOLFENSTEIN :O12:39
bazhangsorry, my bad; let me try and restate: I installed another distro to an external drive (dual boot on internal drive), and after rebooting, cannot find external drive--fdisk -l says no disk found.but bios can see it.12:39
crackhead_25stdin, isn't it already mounted? i can examine it in /media/sdb1.. ?12:40
crackhead_25actually wait.. /media/[laciename] 12:40
jtmoneyenjoi1216: i don't think linux and your civic would like each other12:40
stdincrackhead_25: it may or may not be, i can't tell unless you show me the output of "mount"12:40
crackhead_25one sec..12:41
bazhangI'm assuming that I have to edit the grub file, but after following a walkthrough from Ubuntuforums, still no dice--maybe I should try and reinstall?12:41
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enjoi1216how did you know i had a civic jtmoney12:41
crackhead_25stdin: http://pastebin.ca/72411312:41
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enjoi1216man i don't feel many people are fond of me today12:43
stdincrackhead_25: ahh, so you already have it there, if you post your fatab to pastebin i'll show you the changes to make it all ntfs-3g12:44
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enjoi1216what is the linux off topic channel12:44
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enjoi1216does anyone know the weblink12:44
crackhead_25how do i see fatab?12:44
bazhangubuntu or kubuntu?12:44
crackhead_25stdin: fatab?12:45
stdincrackhead_25: open it by pressing Alt+f2 and putting in "kdesu kate /etc/fstab"12:45
bazhang#kubuntu-offtopic, etc.12:45
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crackhead_25stdin: http://pastebin.ca/72411612:47
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stdincrackhead_25: ok, just add "/dev/sdb1/media/sdb1ntfs-3gdefaults,umask=000000" to the bottom, the save it. after that you can do "sudo mkdir /media/sdb1" and "sudo mount -a" and you should see it in /media/sdb112:50
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peter__how can i add the battery-symbol to the panel in dreamlinux?12:51
stdindreamlinux?12:52
ardchoillepeter__: PErhaps join #dreamlinux ?12:52
peter__jub12:52
peter__me gills system12:52
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crackhead_25stdin: can you do a pastebin to show me exactly what the new file should look like?12:53
stdincrackhead_25: http://pastebin.ca/72411812:53
peter__no help for dreamlinux here only kubuntu ?12:55
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stdinpeter__: have you read the topic?12:56
crackhead_25stdin: when i did mount -a , i got a bunch of error msgs12:56
crackhead_25said failed on all of them. .because already mounted..12:56
crackhead_25should i leave it and just see if it works on restarting the cokmp?12:57
stdintry it12:57
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peter__my wolfenstien sound still dont function12:57
peter__on ubuntu12:58
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peter__thx12:59
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civixierokay, here's the thing. I got myself an extern hard drive, 20 gb, that I thought I would have for Linux. I got kubuntu and installed it into the disk, but when I rebooted everything just halts with the message Error 17. 'Grub Loading stage1.5' 'Grub loading, please wait' 'Error 17'01:00
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civixierAnd I guess grub is the boot menu?01:01
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guilleanyone using the beta version?01:01
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civixierand it has installed itself to my other drive, where i have XP installed. so for now, all I have that works is this live CD...01:01
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enjoi1216coudl someone in the room help me to get my sound to work01:02
guillecivixier are you new in linux?01:04
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guilledo you have 2 dirvers or at least a disc partition?01:04
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civixierive switch back and forth from linux to xp, but im a windows person. the primary disk is partitioned in two. on that one ive got XP. and ive got a USB disk where i want linux01:06
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civixierand ive installed linux on that one already01:07
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enjoi1216this is krazy my motherboard is no longer supported01:08
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civixierany thoughts, guille?01:09
guillewell i am new aswell01:10
guillei have been using this thing for a couple of weeks01:10
civixieroh, okay :P01:10
guillei dont know if i can be of much help but i can try01:11
civixieri google the problem at the same time :P01:11
guillei really dont know how to install kubuntu into an usb drive01:11
civixierthats okay, i think ive solved it soon >P01:12
guilleok then01:12
guillegl01:12
ScorpKinghi uga. :)01:12
civixierthx :D01:12
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ScorpKingcivixier: i think the installer will pick it up. /dev/sda or something like that.01:14
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civixierit did, ive installed it and all. but i cant boot from either one of my hard drives now01:15
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ScorpKingcivixier: even if it's plugged out?01:15
civixiertried that, still error 17. wich it shouldnt get, because according to google error 17 in grub means 'could not mount from drive' or something like that01:16
civixiercannot mount from selected partition01:17
ScorpKingcivixier: grub is installed on the hd and not on the usb disk. you'll have to restore the mbr for xp.01:17
ScorpKing!grub01:18
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto01:18
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ScorpKingmaybe that will help ^^01:18
civixierhih, thx. plowing through the text now :D01:21
ScorpKingand maybe google for mbr restore/create for xp.01:22
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civixieruhm.. mr. ScorpKing?01:28
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ScorpKingyep?01:28
ScorpKinghmmm?01:29
civixiercall me stupid, but i have no clue of what im doing XD01:29
ScorpKinglol01:29
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ScorpKinguneducated is not stupid.01:29
ScorpKingjust need some educating...01:29
civixierokay, call me uneducated then ;D01:29
ScorpKing:D01:29
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ScorpKingso what's wrong?01:30
civixierstill the grub thingy... ive discovered that /dev/sda is the xp drive, while /dev/sdb is linux01:31
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youzsalut01:31
ScorpKinghi01:31
civixierwhre do i go from here?01:31
youzje dcouvre linux01:31
civixierbonjour01:31
ScorpKing!fr01:31
ubotuAllez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.01:31
W8TAHhi folks - im trying to get sound working in pidgin which is built from source -- when i play a sound the debug window says -- unable to create audiosink01:32
W8TAHwhat do i do now?01:32
ScorpKingcivixier: uhmm. thinking...01:32
civixierme too :P01:32
ScorpKingcivixier: so your hard drive have only windows on it right?01:33
civixierthe one IN my computer has only windows on it. its partitioned, but i dont think it matters. the one OUTSIDE my computer has linux on it.01:33
ScorpKinghmmm. i see.01:34
youzi can't read .exe01:34
ScorpKingcivixier: restore the mbr for xp first, without having the linux one in.01:34
civixieryou know how to do that or should I google it?01:35
ScorpKingyouz: there is no .exe in linux01:35
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ScorpKingcivixier: i'm not sure. i don't use windows anymore so can't check the commands. try google...01:35
civixierokay, thx :D01:36
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civixierooohhh, what i get its only to throw in the install disk for windows and press r01:37
civixierbrb >D01:37
ScorpKingok01:37
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ScorpKingyouz: to open .exe inlinux use wine01:37
ScorpKing!wine | youz01:37
ubotuyouz: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.01:37
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gomoran2Hello, I have a kubuntu, gutsy, xrandr, i810 rotation-problem.01:42
DragnslcrHm, anyone else seen this error from Adept Updater lately? I've been getting it every time I update packages01:43
stdin!gutsy01:43
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Dragnslcr"There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. "01:43
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ScorpKingDragnslcr: what are you trying to install?01:43
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DragnslcrScorpKing- this morning was updates to postfix and rdiff, but it's happened every time for the past week01:44
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ScorpKingDragnslcr: go to konsole and type sudo aptitude install junksdfjhsdfjhsd. that will remove any broken packages.01:45
DragnslcrI have this line in dpkg.log, but no further mention of postgres:01:45
Dragnslcr"2007-10-03 07:42:07 status half-configured postgresql-8.2 8.2.5-0ubuntu0.7.04.1"01:45
DragnslcrSo I'm thinking that's the broken package01:45
ScorpKingyeah, try that command01:46
ScorpKingif apt can't find a package it will go through anyway and clean up broken ones.01:47
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DragnslcrScorpKing- you think that Adept error might be caused by a failure to start Postgres when it's finished installing the new version?01:50
ScorpKingnot sure. it might.01:51
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ScorpKingjust remove or downgrade the package01:51
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DragnslcrEh, maybe it'll get annoying enough that I'll finally get around to fixing it01:54
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ScorpKingheh01:55
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snowdonkeyHey, in Kubuntu when I have to open graphical app as root, do I have to use "kdesu" for KDE apps and "gksu" for GTK apps, or just "kdesu" all the time?01:56
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ardchoille!kdesu | snowdonkey01:57
ubotusnowdonkey: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo01:57
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ardchoillesnowdonkey: If in kde, you can use kdesu for all apps (kde and gnome)01:57
snowdonkeyardchoille: Ok, thanks!01:58
ardchoilleyw01:58
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IppatsuManXYZhi, I'm using Kubuntu 7.04 and I selected "manual configuration" on KNetworkManager, now I'd like to use it again, but I can't find any option to re-enable it. How do I do that?02:07
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JucatoIppatsuManXYZ: right-click on the KNetworkManager ico in the system tray? or System Settings  Network Settings  Network Connections02:09
JucatoScorpKing: I do hope that's not an auto away :)02:10
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ScorpKingno02:10
Jucatook. now go away :)02:10
ScorpKinggonna be busy for a while. :)02:10
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ardchoilleJucato: lol02:10
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IppatsuManXYZJucato: right click on the icon in the system tray doesn't show any option to re-enable KNetworkManager (it doesn't show the available wireless netowrks), it allows only to choose "Manual configuration" (which is the same as System Settings  Network Settings  Network Connections), but I'd like to have back the nice interface02:12
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JucatoI don't know what that nice interface is really02:13
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IppatsuManXYZseems like a known issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=43707002:14
IppatsuManXYZand https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+question/814002:14
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IppatsuManXYZthe interface looks like this: http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1712/989/1600/snapshot1.png02:15
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IppatsuManXYZseems I found a possible workaround (without installing gnome as someone suggests on ubuntuforums), brb02:17
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oscarola?02:20
ardchoille!es02:20
ubotuSi busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.02:20
ardchoilleI hope that's the right one02:20
oscarthanks02:20
ardchoille:)02:20
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IppatsuManXYZJucato: I fixed it and I sent the solution to https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+question/8140 - everything works fine again \o/02:29
bentob0xanybody bought an openmoko here?02:30
JucatoIppatsuManXYZ: nice. thanks for that ;)02:30
Jucatobentob0x: not **yet**02:30
bentob0xhehe, I'm on the verge of making an order now02:31
bentob0xI just want to know what will be the difference between the phone you buy now (developers only) and the one that will be for the public02:31
Jucatodon't you want to wait before you buy? :)02:32
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bentob0xnot really :)02:34
bentob0xmy mobile just broke yesterday02:34
bentob0xand I don't want to buy a new one except if I get an openmoko02:35
Jucatooh ok...02:35
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ZombieHello.02:36
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ZombieAnyone here familiar with setting up a Firewall on Kubuntu?02:36
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Jucato!firewall02:38
Jucatohm.. bot's slow tonight...02:38
ubotuUbuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).02:38
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=== abominius greetings
ScorpKingi have to go. if civixier comes back tell him to google for 'boot linux from boot.ini'. he wants to boot linux from his usb disk.02:39
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IppatsuManXYZbye all02:41
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bazhanghello everyone02:50
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Jucatohello02:50
geniiHello02:50
tobiashi02:50
geniiThe channel lives!02:50
Jucatotea!!02:51
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Jucatoty!!!!02:51
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jussi01lol02:53
bazhangdo you guys ever sleep?02:53
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wiican someone help me?im looking for a good download manager that can download more then one thing but one after the next02:54
Jucatokget02:55
Jucatoset Limits to 1 (or 2)02:55
wiiJucato: will it resume the seconde one by it self?02:56
Jucatoyes02:56
geniiDownThemAll extension for firefox also has queuing02:56
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geniibazhang: We rarely sleep :)02:57
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Jucatotoo much in fact02:57
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geniiJucato: Odd, must be every second you are not in here, since i certainly see you a lot!!02:58
geniiLOL02:58
Jucatowell sometimes I sleep with Jucato online.. so that would explain it :)02:59
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geniiAaaaaah03:00
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bazhanggenii: hahaha03:06
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wiiJucato: can kget download torents files?03:08
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wiipikachuu >_<03:09
Jucatowii: there's ktorrent for that03:09
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ardchoillewii: I think kget can download torrent files, but not as a torrent, just as a file. There is ktorrent, tho03:09
Jucatooh yeah.. that :P03:09
wiilol03:09
ardchoille:)03:09
wiinext time i'll be more clair on my questions :p03:10
wiipikachuu >_<03:10
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sergiowenas03:10
DevideZerowhen kubuntu 7.10 stable will be released ?03:11
Jucatooct 1803:11
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wiioct 1503:12
DevideZerooct . . .03:12
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Jucatohttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule03:13
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wiiktorrent look like confusion03:15
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wiianyway got to got i start work in 30min03:16
wiipikachuu >_<03:16
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mzolisiaye03:17
dhq!91503:17
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about 915 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:17
wiiJucato: all are downloading at the same time in kget03:17
mooperWhere do I check configs for removeable disks03:17
Jucatowii: you didn't set the Limits did you?03:17
dhqhow do i use the 915 drivers03:17
mzolisidf -k?03:17
mooperautomount usb flash isnt working03:18
wiiJucato: yes the default was 2 i put 103:18
mzolisiwww.kubuntuforums.net is your friend03:18
Jucatohm... it shouldn't download them all at the same time03:18
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Jucatounless you manually click on the "play" button for each03:18
wiiJucato: it isnt the option limits?03:18
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wiiis it03:19
ZombieAnyone here have a default sorewall.conf file?03:20
wiianyway i'll see when i comeback from work03:20
mzolisihow did it go, mooper?03:20
wiipikachuu >_<03:20
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mzolisiwii, got a wii ?03:21
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moopermzolisi: ?? how did what go?03:23
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mooperusb flash....not very well03:23
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mzolisiIm sure i've seen an article on www.kubuntuforums.net . Had an issue with a removable disk some time back03:25
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astanhrm. my sound sounds a little scratchy since the last kernel update.. happened to anyone else? nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2)03:32
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simoneHello,Is there anybody italian?03:37
hero!kubuntu-it03:39
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu-it - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:39
hero!ubuntu-it03:39
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu-it - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi03:39
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ubotuVai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!03:39
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voidmain2my brain is about to rupture because of nvidia drivers03:54
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cultavixhello everyone ;)03:54
cultavixjust updated to 7.10 Kubuntu03:55
cultavixused to always use ubuntu03:55
cultavixbut I prefer KDE03:55
cultavixI am wondering though, why are there so many updates listed on adept ?03:55
stdinbecause Gutsy is still under development03:55
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civixier!root03:58
ubotuDo not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo03:58
civixierhaha, how poetic03:58
stdinpoetic, and true03:59
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civixieryea, so ive experienced the last 10 minutes XD03:59
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stdin!sudo | the way of the future, today04:00
ubotuthe way of the future, today: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.04:00
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civixieruhm.. didnt find out how to change the root password at !root04:01
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civixieroh its at !sudo, right?04:02
civixier:D04:02
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stdin"sudo" is the command, not "!sudo"04:02
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civixieryea, but you wrote !sudo, I meant :P04:03
civixier!sudo04:03
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ubotusudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.04:03
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stdinthat's a command to ubotu to say that ^04:03
stdin!bot04:03
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots04:03
civixieryes, i know ^04:04
civixier^^04:04
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civixieruhm.. ive got linux on my external and xp on my internal. is there any program that lets me boot windows inside of linux?04:21
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stdinvmware maybe04:21
stuqanyone know why in gutsy, knetworkmanager is going so haywire?04:21
stdin#ubuntu+1 for gutsy04:21
stuqdoesn't show any of my wireless devices since the last update04:21
stuqi can still connect just fine04:21
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civixierhmhm, ill look it up. thx :D04:21
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jbc_how are you04:22
tobiasI got a problem myself this time: After dist-upgrading my system, knetwork manager says "no connection found" but manually, he detects an active eth0 connection - additionally powermanager wont start anymore04:23
tobiasbut says: guidance-power-manager.py: cannot connect to X server :004:23
stdingutst?04:23
stdin*gutsy04:23
tobiasfeisty04:23
stuqtobias, same problem here04:24
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stuqpower manager works for me, though04:24
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tobiasstuq: really? strange... what could it be?04:24
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stuqnot sure...04:25
stuqi see 'wifi' now in ifconfig04:25
stuqwhich *I* didn't put there..04:25
tobiasI got eth0 and lo in there04:25
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stuqwell, i hope they work this out... knetworkmanager got to be quite nice in the recent versions04:26
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stuqthe older ones didn't update the AP list worth a damn04:26
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eMaXre04:26
tobiasI mean- I dont care about the network manager.. I even thought of not letting him start at system startup04:27
tobiasbut I need my powermanager back :s04:27
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eMaXne1 recently has problems w/ flash player plugin for firefox? konqueror and firefox just crash on any video from youtube04:27
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tobiaseMaX: got the codecs installed ?04:27
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eMaXsure changed nothing just maybe since a recent apt-get update04:28
stuqwhat's the dif between power manager and kpowersave?04:28
stuqthey both start up now04:28
stuqseem to duplicate a lot of functionality04:28
tobiasnot one of them loads for me ._.04:28
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tobiaseMaX: youtube videos work fine for me~ after updating and upgrading04:29
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SatyruzI have a problem configuring my file xorg.conf ... I have ati x300 and I would like to get a resolution of 1280x80004:30
Satyruzis it possible?04:30
Satyruzcan u help me?04:30
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tobias!resolution04:30
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto04:30
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Satyruzthanks I try04:31
eMaXShockwave Flash 9.0 r4804:31
tobiassame here eMaX04:31
shaffycan anyone tell me how to give change the rights of my removable drive to give me write access?  for some reason, when i plug in my usb HD, i can only read.04:31
jbc_ubuntu 7.0404:32
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stuqshaffy: cd /media/usbdrive then chmod/chgrp/chown depending on what's needed04:33
stuqman each of them, they're pretty easy command lines04:33
geniishaffy: If it had NTFS, see !ntfs-3g from ubotu04:33
genii*has/had04:33
stuqin /etc/fstab, there will be an entry for automounting your drive04:34
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tobiasdam I really want my powermanager back :\04:34
stuqyou can change the options there so you won't have to do it by hand each time04:34
shaffygenii, it did have it, until i reformatted it into fat3204:34
stuqheh04:34
stuqshaffy: bring up konq and go to media:/04:35
stuqis the drive showing up there?04:35
shaffystuq, it is, but i think i see the problem,04:35
shaffythe drive was originally ntfs, but now it is fat32.  however, fstab still shows it as ntfs04:36
tobiashttp://pastebin.com/ddd75cc1 <- when I want to start guidance-power-manager04:36
Daisuke_Idoso change fstab04:36
stuqshaffy: that would def. cause a prob04:36
shaffystuq:    /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 ntfs ro,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 0 004:37
stuqso umount /dev/sdb104:37
PitabredAnd then remove the "ro" and change ntfs to fat3204:37
stuqthen mount /dev/sdv1 -t fat /[mountpoint] 04:38
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stuqthen mount /dev/sdb1 -t fat /[mountpoint] 04:38
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Daisuke_Idovfat04:38
Daisuke_Idofor both of you04:38
stuqDaisuke_Ido: thkyou04:38
stuqi was just noticing that04:38
Daisuke_Idofat won't work, nor will fat3204:38
Daisuke_Ido:)04:38
shaffythanks stuq.04:38
voidmain2I have the nvidia-glx installed and it semi-works except when I try to run glxgears it produces a core dump.04:38
geniiDaisuke_Ido: I noticed that too04:38
shaffyhehe okay, thanks everyone04:39
PitabredYeah, what Daisuke_Ido said.  I haven't woken up yet... I've been out of bed for 10 minutes :P04:39
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Daisuke_Idooh lord, i just realized it was time to clean out the apt cache04:40
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Daisuke_Ido:\04:40
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Daisuke_Idomornin' BluesKaj04:41
BluesKaj'morning Daisuke_Ido04:41
amchi04:42
BluesKajand morning to all04:42
northstarI get this error message http://pastebin.com/d1484ca9c when trying to install a kernel i just compiled.  Any ideas?!?04:42
amc:D04:42
amcima nekoj sto me razbira04:43
amc???04:43
amctesko a?04:43
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markus__link to German chan please04:43
Jucato!de | markus__04:44
ubotumarkus__: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de04:44
BluesKajyeah, 2.6.22 is buggy northstar , after upgrading to gutsy it auto-installed but the kernel won't boot on my setup04:44
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civixierhmm.. ive got a blackout... the command in the terminal to install stuff is...04:44
tobiassudo apt-get install program04:44
civixierthanks :D04:44
tobiasnp :)04:45
northstarBluesKaj: so you recommend i drop down a version or two and try to recompile?04:45
tobiaswhile program is the name of the app. you want to install.. but I'm sure you know about that04:45
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BluesKajwell, northstar so far so good with 2.6.20 ...it's your choice04:46
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Marc78Hi there.04:46
northstarBluesKaj: i need a newer kernel because of a hard disk related issue...04:47
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BluesKajwhich one are running now ?04:47
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Marc78I need som ehelp with my ubuntu 6.10 package database.04:47
BluesKajerr is running04:47
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stdinMarc78: is it "locked" ?04:48
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northstarBluesKaj: 2.6.20-1604:48
Marc78Indeed, stdin!04:49
stdin!aptfix | Marc7804:49
ubotuMarc78: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 04:49
stdinfollow what ubotu said04:49
BluesKajhmm northstar , what's the hard disk issue with that kernel04:49
Marc78Thanks, I`ll try that right now.04:50
Daisuke_Idopossibly that it calls everything sd*?04:50
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northstarBluesKaj: the disk doesn't spin down on shutdown, instead it just grabs the head and grinds to a hault04:50
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Daisuke_Idoah yes, that's a nasty issue that never should have come up04:51
BluesKajeeuuww Daisuke_Ido...any ideas about northstar's problem ?04:51
Daisuke_Idonewer kernel04:51
Daisuke_IdoBluesKaj: ever hear a click from the hard drive when you're shutting down?04:51
hollandlucasI hate my ISP... 122 KB/sec on Kubuntu Gutsy Beta04:52
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BluesKajclick ?04:52
hollandlucasI should be getting 10 Mbit/s04:52
northstarBluesKaj: Daisuke_Ido: its already been reported as a bug and supposed fixed in higher kernels04:52
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Daisuke_Idohollandlucas: aww, poor baby04:52
Daisuke_Ido:)04:52
Daisuke_Idomaybe the server's loaded04:52
hollandlucasno04:52
hollandlucasit's an ISP problem04:52
hollandlucasbut I'm not gonna call them again04:52
hollandlucaslast time I called04:52
hollandlucasthey threatened me04:53
civixierkubuntu doesnt seem to find my internal drive (is installed on the external), and im trying to use vmware to get to the internal drive where ive got xp installed. help?04:53
BluesKajoh, now yer scaring me ...I'm still using 2.6.2004:53
hollandlucasthey said that if I ever called again (about the speed) they'd make me pay for every action they take to solve the problem04:53
Daisuke_Idoyou're not *entitled* to those speeds unless your isp has a guaranteed bandwidth agreement, and most don't04:53
BluesKajhollandlucas, don't use your enter key for emphasis04:53
Daisuke_Idosounds like it's time to change ISPs04:53
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hollandlucasIt is. But I'm in a 2-year contract04:54
Marc78My problem is solved; thanks a lot!04:54
Daisuke_Idoif they aren't providing the service you pay for, you can most likely get out of that contract04:54
Daisuke_Idofrom the sound of it, they know there's an issue and refuse to fix it04:54
hollandlucasThe issue is that they have too many customers in my area and lack the infrastructure to support them04:55
Daisuke_Idothey oversold, as do most isps, because they don't think customers will use what they're promised04:55
hollandlucasDaisuke_Ido: My old ISP was much better but I left them because my current ISP is cheaper04:56
Daisuke_Idoand now you know why :)04:56
hollandlucasnow I'm willing to pay more for decent service04:56
geniiI hope they're also less expensive04:56
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BluesKajhollandlucas, in this world there's an old saying , no free lunches and you get what you pay for :(04:57
BluesKajhey genii04:57
hollandlucasI might try writing a letter to my ISP asking them to let me out of the contract04:57
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tobiasanyone has some experiences with powermanagers and can tell me one? (except the standard one)04:58
geniihollandlucas: Just get your lawyer to do it04:58
Daisuke_Idoyou know what they say...  you take the good, you take the bad...  you take it all, and there, you have the facts of life.04:58
BluesKajthx genii :)04:58
hollandlucasgenii: lawyers are expensive04:58
geniiBluesKaj: aNYTIME :)04:58
geniibah capslock04:58
Daisuke_Idoa lawyer that wants to make a name for himself will take that case pro bono04:58
hollandlucasDaisuke_Ido: In Germany there's no such thing as pro bono ;-)04:59
civixierhow do I add a hard drive in linux?04:59
Daisuke_Idooh.04:59
hollandlucasthey are required by law to take money04:59
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hollandlucasIt's illegal for a lawyer to work for free04:59
geniihollandlucas: The moment big companies hear from a lawyer they back off04:59
hollandlucasgenii: might be, but I can't afford a lawyer05:00
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geniihollandlucas: If you are required to pay the lawyer, asK Is it more money to buy out the remining part of my 2 year contract with this ISP or pay a lawyer?05:00
hollandlucasgenii: You think they'd let me buy myself out?05:00
geniihollandlucas: That is the way cell service for instance works05:00
savetheWorldhollandlucas: write a polite letter asking them to let you out of the contract.05:01
BluesKajgenii , in xorg file under Section "InputDevice" ,Identifier  "Generic Keyboard", add this : #Optio "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps"05:01
hollandlucassavetheWorld: will do. It can't get any worse ;-)05:01
savetheWorldhollandlucas: explain what your issue is in the letter.05:01
geniiBluesKaj: LOL05:01
savetheWorldhollandlucas: keep a copy05:01
BluesKajerr genii #Option    "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps"05:01
BluesKaj:)05:02
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geniiBluesKaj: Unfortunately i still like to use the capslock on occasion, so i'd miss it, annoying as it can sometimes be05:02
BluesKajvery handy for my phatphingers05:02
BluesKajyeah, i suppose cuz of your work etc05:03
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savetheWorldhollandlucas: then if they officially refuse , contact a lawyer and the press.05:04
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mzolisihi savetheWorld05:06
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savetheWorldhi05:06
mzolisiare you like a member of GreenPeace or something05:07
savetheWorldF/OSS05:07
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mzolisiF/OSS, never heard of em05:07
mzolisiwhat do they do?05:07
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mzolisiI read some article saying "99% of all the species that have ever lived on the planet are now extinct"05:08
mzolisisad hey05:09
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hydrogenmzolisi: I read another article saying you're off topic for the channel05:09
srednayour mysql package for amd64 is buggy, it's sompiled with wrong flags05:09
fignew_that's a really good article05:10
srednait causes kdepim to fail compiling05:10
fignew_kdepim uses mysql?05:10
sredna /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib64/mysql/libmysqld.a(client.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S against `client_errors' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC05:10
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mzolisihydrogen: dont be an A-hoel05:11
mzolisihydrogen: dont be an A-hole, i mean05:12
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Daisuke_Idohe's always like that05:12
jpwhitingRiddell: others: is there a way to re-install a package that's already installed?05:12
mzolisiuniunstall it05:12
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mzolisiand install it again05:12
Daisuke_Idoor just select "reinstall05:13
jpwhitingreinstall?05:13
jpwhitingfrom adept?05:13
llutzaptitude reinstall package-name05:13
jpwhitingah05:13
Daisuke_Idocan't say if it's there in adept, i know it is in synaptic05:13
fignew_sredna: if you really need to05:13
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Daisuke_Ido(tab completion doesn't work in irc :\)05:13
fignew_you can prob. have apt recompile it for you :)05:13
hollandlucassavetheWorld: just finished the letter ;-)05:14
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jpwhitingthanks all05:14
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fignew_ok :)05:14
srednabut when kde4 is released, this should be fixed of course05:14
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fignew_but do submit a bug report :)05:14
savetheWorldhollandlucas: you may want to find others with a similar issue and start thinking about a class action or whatever the legal equivalent is in your legal system.05:15
srednawhere?05:15
fignew_cause no one here is gonna look into it05:15
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fignew_!bug05:16
ubotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots05:16
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haraldI have a problem with my fglrx under linux distributions (also kubuntu). My fan is running at full speed if I use fglrx.05:17
haraldI searched for fixes for this problem in the net but I found nothing :805:17
harald:(05:17
haraldMy graphiccard is an ATI PCI-E X85005:17
haraldMotherbaord ASUS-P5GD105:18
haraldCPU: P4 3GHz05:18
andycrWhich fan?05:18
hollandlucassavetheWorld: the equivalent would be a Sammelklage ("collected suit") but it's expensive... I'll just hope they'll let me out of the contract for now05:18
andycrGPU or CPU?05:18
haraldfor the graphiccard05:18
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haraldCPU05:18
andycrno idea sorry05:18
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haraldIt doesn't happen in other operating systems05:19
haraldI'm not alone with the problem when you are searching at google... but they have no fixes05:20
fignew_argh @ fglrx05:21
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harald?05:21
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fignew_I would replace the heatsink on the GPU05:22
fignew_with a fanless one :/05:22
fignew_but that's not that great of a solution05:22
haraldnot realy05:23
buztry looking into r300 drivers05:24
buzthey may be in an useable state by now05:24
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buzfglrx is hopeless05:24
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haraldokay... that's not so good :(05:25
buzoh and then there is powerstate setting for some of the ati cards05:25
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buzgoogle atipower05:25
haraldI can choose only one powerstate for my ATI05:25
haraldand this powerstate is buggy05:25
buzwith official or with atipower?05:25
buzwell that's the wonders of fglrx05:25
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savetheWorldhollandlucas: class action suits are usually done for free by a law firm which specializes in them - they only make money if they win, and theur fees come out of the settlement or the judge directs the defendant to pay them (if the defendant loses.)  (this is in the USA, YMMV)    Your best bet is to stay friendly and polite and use the power of the press.05:25
haraldofficial driver vom ati05:25
buzin a desktop, you're probably best off buying a cheap nvidia kcard05:25
haraldI thought the same... but under linux it runs very good and I payed much for it.05:26
haraldI mean windows05:26
buzyeah but it's old now ;)05:26
haraldthat's right05:27
buzcheap nvidia card will be faster05:27
buzi nknow it sucks05:27
haraldyeah05:27
buzbut i sold a brand new thinkpad because fglrx was so bad05:27
haraldwhat can I use instead of them?05:27
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buzonly nvidia05:27
haraldinstead of flgrx?05:27
haraldfglrx05:27
buzgoogle for r300 open source drivers05:27
buzthey may or may not work with X8XX05:27
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haraldI will try and will c it =D05:28
buzif you value your time, buy an nvidia card ;)05:28
haraldof course but at time I have not much money05:28
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haraldbut many thx for the information about the r300 drivers05:29
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DaltonDoes anyone know how to fix a broken adept_manager?05:34
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genii!aptfix05:34
ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 05:34
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Daltonthanks ubotu, but now it says "Errors where encountered while processing runit git-daemon-run05:37
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geniiDalton:    in konsole: sudo touch /etc/inittab         then try the updater again05:41
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ratttwat do i use to open .rar files in linux?05:43
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fignew_unrar05:44
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genii!info unrar05:44
ubotuunrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.7.3-1 (feisty), package size 94 kB, installed size 228 kB05:44
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fignew_sudo apt-get install unrar05:44
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Daltonhey genii, won't that kill my inittab?05:45
fignew_Dalton: no05:45
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Daltonhey fignew_ : no as in don't do it, or no as in it won't kill the inittab?05:46
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RATTThow do i make files hidden?05:46
fignew_no as in it won't kill inittab05:46
llutzRATTT: mv file .file05:47
fignew_RATTT: hidden files/folder start with .05:47
Daltonthanks fignew_05:47
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RATTT??05:47
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fignew_Dalton: touch "touches" files05:47
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RATTTgive me example   lets say i have file called casino.wav05:47
llutzRATTT: mv casino.wav .casino.wav  (pointless)05:48
DaltonHey Rattt, any file that begins with a period is "hidden"05:48
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fignew_Dalton: creates them if they don't exist, and update their edit-time if they do05:48
RATTTok. i have alot of files. how do i make them all hidden at one time.05:48
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DaltonHey fignew_, I now have a zero size inittab.....05:48
llutzRATTT: why should one do that?05:48
fignew_to be honest, I'm not sure why he had you touch inittab05:49
RATTTi wrote a java programa and i want to hide everything except the executable05:49
fignew_Dalton: run sudo apt-get update, and tell me what it says05:49
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geniibecause of this bug: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg466076.html05:49
fignew_!info mmv | RATTT05:49
uboturattt: mmv: Move/Copy/Append/Link multiple files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.01b-14 (feisty), package size 23 kB, installed size 84 kB05:49
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fignew_RATTT: install mmv05:50
llutzRATTT: if user uses "show hidden files" he will see all those files anyway.05:50
RATTTok05:50
RATTThow do i ue mmv05:50
llutzman mmv05:50
geniithe git-daemon-run     looks for a nonexistant inittab which halts it's setup05:50
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Daltonhere is what I get "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"05:51
fignew_RATTT: 1 secf05:52
fignew_sec*05:52
fignew_I see genii05:52
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Dr_willis!fix adept05:52
ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 05:52
geniiDalton: That means you likely have something like a window open with package manager running, or update manager is running, or some other thing using the apt backend05:52
Dr_willisbe sure any other apt programs are not running05:52
geniiDr_willis: thanks for the qualifying remark :)05:53
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bpat1434HI all.  Thinking about switching to Kubuntu.... does it support dual monitors with dual SLIed adapters?05:53
geniibpat1434: Dual monitors certainly. dual SLI, dunno05:54
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fignew_dual SLI as in 4 video cards?05:54
bpat1434no, 1 SLI as in dual video cards with SLI05:54
fignew_ok05:54
DaltonThanks guys, that did the trick05:54
fignew_bpat1434: check nvidia's website. Their linux driver changelog should say if it supports SLI05:55
fignew_If I remember correctly, they do.05:55
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bpat1434okay, so I'd need to use the nVidia proprietary drivers?05:56
fignew_to take advantage of SLI, yes05:56
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fignew_yea, SLI is supported05:58
bpat1434okay, kool.  Thanks!05:58
BluesKajbpat1434, http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8174/README/32bit_html/appendix-w.html05:58
bpat1434that was the worst thing I had to deal with in Fedora was dual monitors off 1 card :)05:58
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fignew_bpat1434: the nvidia-settings program05:59
fignew_actually will setup dualmonitors really easily05:59
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bpat1434i was using an ATI card at the time...06:00
devianceWhere is the PHP executable on linux?06:00
bpat1434but when I get my parts from newegg, I'll be running dual nVidia 8600 cards :)06:00
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devianceIve run whereis php but I get php:06:00
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AzzcoI've got a problem with mouse grabbing and wine games...06:01
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fignew_deviance: you installed php?06:01
devianceYeah06:01
devianceIt works fine on my local server06:01
devianceLocalhost I mean06:01
AzzcoThe mouse isn't grabbing unless I hold one button down...06:01
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devianceAhh, whereis php5 does the trick06:02
fignew_deviance: sudo apt-get install php-cli06:02
fignew_I see06:02
deviancephp5: /etc/php5 /usr/lib/php5 /usr/share/php506:02
devianceWhich do I use?06:02
fignew_none of those are executables06:02
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fignew_you'll need to install php5-cli06:03
devianceAh Okay :D06:03
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fignew_if you're looking for the location of an executable, by the way, the command is "which:06:03
fignew_"which"06:03
devianceSo it would be "which php"06:04
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fignew_yes06:04
devianceOr php5?06:04
fignew_it should be symlinked06:04
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fignew_they should both point at php06:04
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deviancetim@tim-desktop:~$ which php06:04
deviance/usr/bin/php06:04
deviancetim@tim-desktop:~$ which php506:04
deviance/usr/bin/php506:04
Juacom99hi06:05
devianceWhich one? And are they excecutable?06:05
fignew_they're both the same thing06:05
Juacom99can anyopne help me find witch version of lubuntu i have (32 io 64 bits??)06:05
Juacom99please06:05
fignew_Juacom99: uname -m06:05
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Juacom99that returm me i68606:07
fignew_32 bits :)06:07
Juacom99thanks06:07
Juacom99XD06:07
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Juacom99and if is a 64 bit what should it said??06:08
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fignew_hmm06:09
fignew_amd64 (?)06:09
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fignew_I think that's what it would have said06:10
Juacom99thanks ^06:10
Juacom99*^^06:10
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geniiDon't forget there is an intel 64 bit ;)06:11
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Dr_williswe dont talk about that side of the Faimly. :)06:13
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llutzwouldn't it give "x86_64" back?06:15
Juacom99lol Dr06:15
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Giksawhi everybody06:20
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GiksawI need some help06:21
pag!ask | Giksaw06:21
ubotuGiksaw: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)06:21
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RATTTdoes ubuntu have a character map?06:22
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fevelhello06:22
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Giksawubuntu: good call06:22
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RATTTdoes kubuntu have a character map?06:22
Giksawubuntu: I just installed Kubuntu- Im trying to install Firefix06:22
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pagGiksaw, ubotu's a bot ;)06:23
feveldoes anyone know a utlity like the vista side panel that integrates with my wallpaper and that I could add functions to it?06:23
PhinnFortpag: ubuntu is not06:23
PhinnFort:P06:23
fevellike gdesklets06:23
PhinnFortfevel: superkaramba06:23
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pagGiksaw, open Konsole and type in " sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox "06:23
PhinnFort!superkaramba06:23
ubotusuperkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org06:23
fevelPhinnFort: ok...ill take a look, thanks06:23
PhinnFortnp06:24
Giksawpag:bot?06:24
pagPhinnFort, oh... sorry, misread - guess I'm too tired to read correctly :)06:24
pag!bot | Giksaw06:24
ubotuGiksaw: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots06:24
PhinnFort;)06:24
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Giksawpag: Im new to this whole thing06:24
pagGiksaw, well.. basically ubotu is just a piece of software that gives information when told to do so.06:25
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PhinnFortGiksaw: you query him with !<query>06:25
Dr_willis!botsnack06:25
ubotuYum! Err, I mean, APT!06:25
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PhinnFortGiksaw: and then he looks up a suiting reply in a database06:26
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Giksawpag: ok06:26
pagGiksaw, and about Firefox installation: eithe use the way I gave you couple lines ago, or open Adept Installer ( Add/Remove programmes(?) ) and install from there06:27
acomacoany way to reset all KDE settings?06:27
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pagacomaco, any reason you want to do so?06:27
acomacoi just want the default settings since i'm to lazy to change it back manually06:28
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PhinnFortacomaco: (re)move the ".kde" folder in your homefolder06:29
pagacomaco, oh... then log out of KDE and command " mv .kde .kde_backup "06:29
PhinnFortacomaco: I would suggest you move it06:29
acomacookey06:29
PhinnFortacomaco: it contains all your passwords, settings, preferences, etc.06:29
PhinnFortand probably mail06:29
acomacoall passwords to?06:29
PhinnFortyearh06:29
PhinnFort*yeah06:29
acomacoany important passwords?06:30
pagacomaco, if you have saved any important ones, then yes - nothing system-critical though06:30
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acomacohehe okey thx06:32
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acomacook tryin now <.<06:33
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devianceI would like to forward my localhost on this machine to the internet. How would I do it? Is it a good idea?06:34
devianceDoes it mean forwarding port 80?06:34
Giksawpag: whats the difference between this Adept and command prompt- and how do I get to the command prompt06:34
Giksaw?06:34
pagGiksaw, Adept is graphical...06:35
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pagGiksaw, in theory they both work identically - personally I strongly dislike Adpet, but it's just my own opinion06:35
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Giksawpag, is firefox already comes with Kubuntu- and add/remove just installs it or when I click add/remove it is downloading it from the Internet?06:36
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acomacoworked :d06:36
acomacothx06:36
pagGiksaw, it'll download it.06:36
pagacomaco, np :)06:36
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Giksawpag, Im overwhelmed by this whole thing- linux06:37
pagGiksaw, just try not to think "why and how it works" just yet...06:38
Giksawpag, who does Adept gets the information that a firefox installation is available on the Internet?06:38
pagGiksaw, Adept is just a graphical frontend of apt06:38
PhinnFortpag: for dpkg, anyways, afaik06:38
Giksawpag, apt?06:39
PhinnFortGiksaw: it has a large database of all available applications06:39
pag!apt | Giksaw06:39
ubotuGiksaw: APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)06:39
Giksaw!time06:40
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about time - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:40
PhinnFortGiksaw: applications are packaged by so-called "packagers", who either just have too much spare time or work for Canonical06:40
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PhinnFortGiksaw: then there's a lot of scripts and programs that sort through these and create databases and upload them to mirrors worldwide06:41
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PhinnFortGiksaw: and every now and then your computer can update it's local database, to get information about updates to different applications, etc.06:41
GiksawPhinnFort: canonical?06:42
GiksawPhinnFort:  so my computer has a database of available downloads from the Internet?06:42
PhinnFortGiksaw: yes06:42
PhinnFortGiksaw: or rather of packages available from the mirrors06:42
pagGiksaw, Company that owns the Ubuntu trademark and commercially supports it06:43
GiksawPhinnFort:  it comes with Kubunto installation- this database?06:43
PhinnFortGiksaw: yes06:43
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PhinnFortGiksaw: you also have a database of currently installed applications that is compared to available packages, to see which one should be upgraded, etc.06:43
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GiksawPhinnFort:  but it is compared automatically? I dont have a control when it is connected to the Internet???06:44
PhinnFortGiksaw: it should download automatically every now and then, when you have an internet connection, but you can also do it from adept06:44
PhinnFortmanually06:44
GiksawPhinnFort:  but is it safe? I dont know what is the source of the isntallation06:45
august_Hey everyone.  Just wanted to know if someone could help me with a problem.  I have a problem making my computer to output on my tv.  Is there a button i should push or somewhere in the control panel i can click on so that the output can go to the tv?  On windows all you have to do is just right click on the screen and go to output and click on monitor.  I have a laptop by the way06:45
PhinnFortGiksaw: when it sees that a newer version of a package is available, it pops up an icons in the system tray, that tells you which programs are updatable06:45
PhinnFortGiksaw: all packages from the official sources are cryptographically signed06:45
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devious`hi all06:45
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Giksaw!system tray06:46
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about system tray - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi06:46
pagHello devious` :)06:46
GiksawPhinnFort: what is system tray?06:46
devious`a question: when i was installing kubuntu, i denied the use of paging file, since i have 2Gb RAM.. Is that a good idea or not? If not, can i change that now?06:46
PhinnFortGiksaw: it's what holds those small icons for different programs06:46
PhinnFortGiksaw: down right on the screen, besides the clock06:47
devious`(i did not create a partition for pagina file)06:47
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GiksawPhinnFort:  sorry, so far I used windows- I hope I dont bother too much with all these questions06:47
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PhinnFortGiksaw: nono, it gives me a good reason to not work on what I should do;)06:47
PhinnFortGiksaw: you have a system tray on windows too06:47
pagdevious`, you can change it afterward (don't ask *me* how :P ), and it's reccomended to have al least 256MB for swap06:48
GiksawPhinnFort:  ok- I just wasnt familiar with the name06:48
GiksawPhinnFort:  and what should u do now instead?06:48
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fevelhey guys, my laptops wifi connects to the network I set up when I used ubuntu, now that im on kde I cant search for networks around or anything...is there a tool to do that or did I miss it on knetworkmanager?06:48
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herohow do you disable the float-over descriptions on panel objects?06:48
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fevelcan someone please help me?06:49
PhinnFortGiksaw: discrete mathematics;)06:49
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aldanonheya's all06:50
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aldanoni'm still working on compiling this x-fi soundcard driver06:50
aldanonanyone interested in lending a hand with it?06:51
GiksawPhinnFort:  but how kubuntu recognizes that the update that is available comes from a safe source?06:51
PhinnFortGiksaw: it only downloads databases from addresses it knows is safe by default06:51
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PhinnFortGiksaw: of course you can add unsafe sources, but then it should warn you that the packages you download are not signed by a trusted source06:52
PhinnFortif you don't tell it to trust that key, then you really don't know if it's safe;)06:52
aldanonis the other ubuntu channel ubuntu+1?06:52
Giksawok' and how do I know that kubuntu is safe?06:52
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aldanonsomeone gave it to me last night but i forgot what it is06:52
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pagaldanon, #ubuntu+1 is for Gutsy support06:53
aldanoncool thanks thats what i'm on06:53
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PhinnFortGiksaw: you don't;)06:53
aldanonerr well i'm on kubuntu06:53
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aldanon...but the driver i'm trying to compile..eh i was just led to ubuntu heh06:53
njt88hi06:53
aldanonyou any good with compiling pag? =D06:54
paghi njt88 :)06:54
PhinnFortGiksaw: the cd's also contain cryptographic checksums on them, so you can check the integrity of it, etc. but you ultimately put your trust in someone else06:54
pagaldanon, I had luck couple of times... :)06:54
devious`what is that webpage you can download themes for kubuntu to change apeareance?06:54
pag!themes | devious`06:54
ubotudevious`: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy06:54
PhinnFortdevious`: kde-look.org06:54
devious`thank youi06:54
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aldanonhere's where i got the driver pag http://us.creative.com/support/downloads/download.asp?searchString=XFiDrv_Linux06:55
njt88i had a power failure and things got corrupted.  ran fsck, corrected that stuff, but then had probs with kde:  kstartupconfig script is borked.  did a sudo apt-get install kde, and now kde at least starts up, but still geteting the error message (only dif is now kde starts)06:55
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njt88question is, how do i get the kstartupconfig to regenerate? I did a mv kstartupconfig kstartupconfig.bak  but dont know what to do next06:55
pagaldanon, what problems do you have compiling? unmet depencies?06:56
GiksawPhinnFort:  and u trust kubuntu?06:56
PhinnFortGiksaw: of course06:57
PhinnFort;)06:57
PhinnFortGiksaw: mostly because everything they do, they do in the open06:57
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GiksawPhinnFort:  do u do banking online with it?06:57
PhinnFortGiksaw: so I trust them more than Microsoft06:57
PhinnFortGiksaw: of course06:57
aldanonnaw, in the end after 5 hours of working with it, it's looking like i need a vanilla kernel06:57
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GiksawPhinnFort:  holw long they exist?06:58
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pagaldanon, that sounds far too complicated for my skills - sorry.06:58
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PhinnFortGiksaw: canonical has been around for many years06:58
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GiksawPhinnFort:  and what their motive to support that? are they getting any income out of it?06:59
PhinnFortGiksaw: they sell support, etc. and they have a large deal with dell, amongst others06:59
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PhinnFortGiksaw: it's founded by Mark Shuttleworth, who also founded Thawthe Security (which your bank may use)06:59
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devianceIs the application finder called kappfinder07:00
PhinnFortdeviance: yeah07:00
aldanoni understand pag07:00
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PhinnFortI don't07:00
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aldanoni'm no expert, in fact i'm quite new at this heh...just had a lot of help last night hehe07:01
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GiksawPhinnFort:  why it seems that kubuntu works slower than xp? also firefox07:01
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=== abominius greetings
GiksawPhinnFort:  it thinks a lot07:02
PhinnFortGiksaw: do you have the right graphics card drivers installed?07:02
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PhinnFortGiksaw: which version of kubuntu are you using?07:02
SlimeyPeteFirefox is quite a slow program07:02
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PhinnFortGiksaw: if you use gutsy, strigi will probably hog some cpu the first minutes/hours07:02
TonrenHas anyone had trouble recording in Audacity?07:02
PhinnFortTonren: tried KRec?07:03
ScorpKingTonren: does it pick up your soundcard?07:03
GiksawPhinnFort:  I just clicked on help under k menu, it took 5 seconds to open it. it cannot be this situation07:04
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GiksawI use 7. something07:04
PhinnFortGiksaw: the Help reader is slow07:04
TonrenOn record, I can see the Microphone monitor go up and down.  On playback, I can see the speaker monitor go up and down.  However, no other indications of sound being recorded are there (no waveform appears).07:04
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PhinnFortGiksaw: type /sysinfo and hit enter07:04
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GiksawPhinnFort:  in that chat?07:04
PhinnFortGiksaw: yes07:04
Giksaw/sysinfo07:04
PhinnFortSysinfo for 'lejon': Linux 2.6.22-12-generic running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: Intel(R) Core 2 Duo CPU     T7500  @ 2.20GHz at 800 MHz (4389 bogomips), HD: 68/89GB, RAM: 689/2006MB, 131 proc's, 45.18min up07:05
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PhinnFortno space before it07:05
aldanonso any compiling wizards in the house?07:05
TonrenActually...07:06
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pagGiksaw, which program are you using? (Kopete / Konversation / other)07:06
TonrenPhinnFort: ScorpKing: Audacity isn't playing properly.  I can load an MP3 and see the waveforms, and when I play, I see the speaker monitor move, but no sound is actually coming out.07:06
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PhinnFortTonren: have you tried the program KRec?07:06
pagTonren, disable KDE sound server07:06
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Tonrenpag: How do I do that?07:07
ScorpKingTonren: also check your audio settings under audacity.07:07
pagTonren, kcontrol -> sound & multimedia -> sound system -> uncheck "Enable Sound System"07:08
Giksawpag:  kopete07:08
TonrenOh wait, Audacity is now playing properly--I had to set Record and Playback both to /dev/dsp07:08
ScorpKing:D07:08
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pagTonren, nice to hear that :)07:08
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ScorpKingTonren: what version is that?07:08
GiksawPhinnFort:  /sysinfo works?07:08
PhinnFortGiksaw: just type in "/sysinfo" here, without any spaces before or after07:09
PhinnFortor just tell me the specs on your computer07:09
pagGiksaw, PhinnFort: /sysinfo is Konversation command iirc..07:09
PhinnFortyeah07:09
TonrenScorpKing: Audacity 1.2.607:09
PhinnFortscript even07:09
PhinnFortGiksaw: what else is slow?07:10
Tonrenpag: What is the KDE soudn Server, exactly?07:10
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hydrogena bitrotted piece of software07:10
ScorpKingTonren: oh ok.07:10
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PhinnFortTonren: hit alt+f2 and type in "kcontrol", and hit enter07:10
hydrogenthat deserves to be thrown out a seventh or eighth story window07:10
hydrogenat the very least07:10
Semmihi07:11
PhinnFortand search for sound server07:11
PhinnForthydrogen: arts isn't that bad;)07:11
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hydrogenPhinnFort: sure it is07:11
Semmican someone help me with autofs07:11
PhinnFortit only hangs randomly, eats resources for nothing, eats battery, etc07:11
hydrogenPhinnFort: it rarely works, it hasn't been maintained for a number of years07:11
Semmiafter installing 7.10 beta it doesnt work the way it did before07:11
hydrogenanyways07:11
hydrogenoff to that class thing07:11
PhinnForthydrogen: it does receive patches every now and then, latest to remove some polling07:11
PhinnForthydrogen: what class?07:11
TonrenPhinnFort: Don't worry--I have Kcontrol in my panel anyway.  I'm just curious as to what the sound server is, exactly.07:11
Semmidoenst mount my nfs "drives"07:11
PhinnFortTonren: it's called Arts07:12
PhinnFort!arts07:12
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about arts - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi07:12
PhinnFortTonren:07:12
Semmimounting by console works07:12
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PhinnFortTonren: it's a buggy piece of software, that plays sound, basically07:12
TonrenHey wait, I've made some progress07:12
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PhinnFortTonren: it's a "server", since it always is in the background, waiting for sound to play07:12
TonrenI turned off the Sound Server07:12
Giksaw/sysinfo07:13
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TonrenAnd now, when I record in Audacity, there's an itty-bitty tiny waveform, and when I play it back, I can just BARELY hear what I recorded, but there's a high-pitched whine/buzz over it07:13
GiksawPhinnFort:  I typed it07:13
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PhinnFortGiksaw: do you know the specifications for your computer (processor speed, ram size, etc.)07:14
PhinnFort?07:14
TonrenPhinnFort: ScorpKing: pag: Okay... running with "aoss audacity" gets rid of the whine/buzz, but I can still barely hear my recordings.07:14
Semmidoes someone know wheateher auto.master has to be executable?07:14
Giksaw1 gig cpu07:14
GiksawPhinnFort: 1 giga RAM07:14
ScorpKingTonren: set the volume in Kmix07:15
TonrenScorpKing: All of my input volumes are maxed out07:15
PhinnFortGiksaw: it shouldn't be too bad, but if you feel that KDE/Kubuntu is too slow, you should give Xubuntu/XFCE a try/spin07:15
GiksawPhinnFort: what is that?07:15
TonrenGiksaw: Xubuntu is another flavor of Ubuntu that runs with the Xfce desktop environment & window manager.07:16
clyrradsomething is messed with my APT - can anyone make sense of this? http://rafb.net/p/WxXfiA36.txt07:16
clyrradLooks like I have some kind of circular dependency, and apt-get -f install does not work07:17
TonrenGiksaw: It's generally meant for older computers that can't handle Ubuntu/Kubuntu's system requirements, but some people prefer it anyway for its somewhat minimalistic approach.07:17
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Semmiwhats the default password for root login after installation?07:18
Semmi!root07:18
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ubotuDo not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo07:18
Tonrenclyrrad: Have you done an apt-get update recently?07:18
clyrradTonren: Yup sure have07:18
GiksawPhinnFort: ok- nevermind. what was the /sysinfo intended for?07:18
TonrenSemmi: root commands are run by using the "sudo" command and entering your own password07:18
Semmisudo cd??07:18
TonrenSemmi: You can also get to a root console by typing "sudo su", but generally people don't recommend this.07:18
ChousukeSemmi: no07:19
TonrenSemmi: You shouldn't need to run sudo just to change directories, no.07:19
ChousukeTonren: sudo -i or sudo -s is better07:19
TonrenChousuke: Ah-didn't know that.  Thanks!07:19
ChousukeTonren: and sudo cd is pointless anyway07:19
Semmijust need it for testing autofs07:19
Semmiwheter there is an affect or not07:19
TonrenChousuke: I'm aware.07:19
ChousukeTonren: try sudo cd:ing to some directory. it just doesn't work :)07:19
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clyrradTonren: Its like there is some sort of circular dependecy on this APT, its definaly broken, I dont know how to fix it.  I need to be able to remove these affected dependencies - but the millon dollar question is HOW?07:19
TonrenChousuke: I wasn't the one talking about sudo'ing cd, dude.  :P07:20
Semmiah thx07:20
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Tonrenclyrrad: You use apt-get, not aptitude, right?07:20
clyrradcorrect07:20
Daltonanyone here running vmware workstation 6 on kubuntu 7.10 beta?07:20
Tonrenclyrrad: Hmm...07:20
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Tonrenclyrrad: Maybe if you tried uninstalling adobereader-enu?07:21
TonrenSo, anyone have any hints about my Audacity problems?  The recording volume simply won't rise up enough to be workable.07:21
clyrradTonren: that is what i am doing - see my paste http://rafb.net/p/WxXfiA36.txt very first line07:21
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clyrradTonren: I cant remove it - it wont let me07:21
Tonrenclyrrad: Oh dear, sorry--not sure how I missed that.07:21
clyrradYes, thats why i am here.......07:21
Tonrenclyrrad: Try using aptitude instead.07:21
clyrradhoping somoene can help me07:21
Tonrenclyrrad: For these particular commands, I mean.07:22
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clyrradTonren: is does not matter what I use, the system keeps wanting to install acroread - but it cant be installed becase of the dependency issues I pasted07:23
clyrradHow can i force remove adobereader-enu............07:24
clyrradthis is the package / problem thats messed up my APT07:24
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clyrradI need to some how remove that, but apt-get remove does not work due to the dependecny problem07:24
Giksaw/message nickserver help07:25
pagclyrrad, tried " sudo dpkg -r adobereader-enu && sudo dpkg --configure -a "07:25
Tonrenclyrrad: maybe apt-get --purge remove, just throwing out ideas here07:25
Tonrenclyrrad: Also ask in Ubuntu as well07:25
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ScorpKingTonren: try to munte the unused ones. not sure what else can work.07:25
Tonren#ubuntu, I meant07:25
Giksaw/message nickserve help07:25
clyrradpag: trying that now07:25
llp78hello everyone - does anyone know what program i could use to convert a flac to mp3 in kubuntu ?07:25
pagllp78, sounkonverter is nice07:26
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lovrehi all07:26
pagllp78, but you'll need lame to encode mp307:26
llp78pag: is it GUI?07:26
lovreim back with some more questions07:26
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Giksaw/m nickserv help07:26
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paglovre, yup - it is07:26
lovrehow do i change my kubuntu apearence? I downloaded a theme from www.kde-look.org, but i dont know how to apply it. Any tips?07:27
Giksaw/messssage nickserv help07:27
llp78pag:i know but the flac file is too big for my phone's sd card07:27
llp78pag: im gonna try that now thanks for your quick response07:27
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pagllp78, np :)07:28
Giksaw/message nickserv help07:28
pagGiksaw, it's /msg NickServ help07:28
ScorpKing_ /msg nickserv help07:28
ugalovre: what theme is it... and more importantly, is it a kde theme, kde style, or kde windeco =)07:28
clyrradpag: no luck http://rafb.net/p/cXvhH829.txt07:28
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clyrradTonren: yes I tried both of those with no luck07:28
Tonrenclyrrad: Sorry man, I got nothin'.07:29
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pagclyrrad, how about sudo dpkg -r acroread-plugins07:29
ugalovre: they're completely differen things. Themes define a set of settings (colors, fonts, background image, style, windeco)07:29
lovreuga: i dont really know the difference between thoose....:()07:29
llp78pag: ive installed it but only allows to ogg not mp3 - ami missing something ?07:29
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lovreuga: and styles?07:29
pagllp78, package called lame07:29
ugalovre: windecos are the drawings around your windows. The ones you use to maximise/minimise/got a title... etc07:29
pag!info lame | llp7807:29
ubotullp78: lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 260 kB, installed size 696 kB07:30
Dr_willisthe 'window border widgets' :)07:30
ugalovre: and styles are the way everything is drawn: buttons, scrollbars, lists, ...07:30
Semmiis there anything else than autofs to mount nfs drives when needed07:30
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clyrradpaq: you are the million dollar man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!07:30
clyrradit worked!07:30
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clyrradthank-you so much :D07:30
Dr_willisSemmi,  i wonder if FUSE has a solution for that.. it has 10000000 other solutions for eveyrthing else. :)07:30
ScorpKinglovre: this is what my desktop looked like yesterday - http://profile.imageshack.us/user/scorpking/images/detail/#219/mydesktop2uq8.jpg07:30
pagclyrrad, np :)07:31
llp78pag: your skills are amazing, cheers dude much much thanks07:31
clyrradpag: that was driving me absolutly nutz!!!!!!!!07:31
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ugaScorpKing: fugly =)07:31
ScorpKinglol :D07:31
Giksawpag: how to I register the user name?07:31
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pag!register | Giksaw07:31
ubotuGiksaw: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration07:31
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xenolHello all/07:32
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lovrei downloaded this: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/NuoveXT2-Theme?content=6668507:32
lovrehow do i install it?07:32
pagGiksaw, I'd sugges you'd use Konversation instad of Kopete - Kopete isn't really a IRC-client07:32
ScorpKinghiya poison--. :)07:32
Semmithe drives just wont mount07:32
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Semmieverything worked fine before changing to 7.10 beta07:32
Semmimounting via console works07:32
Semmijust that fkn autofs07:32
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Giksawpag: is konversation free?07:33
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devianceYes07:33
pagGiksaw, free as in beer and speech - and it's there by default :)07:33
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poison--sup guys07:33
ScorpKingGiksaw: yes and installed by default07:33
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Dr_willisI perfer Free as in Love. :)07:34
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Giksawpag: ok Im connecting07:34
epsilornhi all! I've got a pair of problems on kubuntu may I ask to you?07:34
Dr_willisEver have a hard time trying to get a windows user to understand that  The 'Openoffice.org' cd you are giving him is LEGAL? :)07:35
devianceShoot epsilorn07:35
Dr_willis'how can they just give it away....' :)07:35
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pag!ask | epsilorn07:35
ubotuepsilorn: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)07:35
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ScorpKingDr_willis: i gave up trying. they just don't get it.07:35
giksaw_pag: ?07:36
epsilornok i've got an ATI hd 2400 it seems working 'cause fglxgears run smoothly, the problem is when i start openarena it runs well but when i try to change video setting it crashes07:36
Dr_willisThen they try it.. and ((#&@&@ that its not identical to Office.. :)07:36
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Dr_willisbut then you explain that  they now have $200+ more in their pocket.07:36
ScorpKingyeah07:36
paggiksaw_, you should probably close Kopete and then command /nick Giksaw  in Konversation07:36
lovrei downloaded this: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/NuoveXT2-Theme?content=6668507:36
lovrehow do i install it?07:36
poison--HI Dr_willis07:37
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TonrenI'm trying to record in Audacity.  All of my input volumes are maxed out (in my ALSA mixer and in Audacity itself), but I can still barely hear my recordings.07:37
poison--BRB07:38
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ScorpKinglovre: there is a few things you still have to download and do.07:38
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lovreScorpKing: what are those things?07:38
lovreScorpKing: sory for bothering07:39
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ScorpKinglovre: gimme a sec. just checking something...07:39
ScorpKinglovre: i'll walk you through it.07:40
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llp78pag: do you know why i cant load flac files into soundKonverter ?07:40
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ScorpKinglovre: go to konsole and type sudo aptitude install kbfx07:40
lovreScorpKing: im sorry, i have to go afk for a while, will you be here later? sorryyyyy07:40
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giksaw_pag, how do I change back the nick07:41
ScorpKingyes07:41
epsilornHi all, got a problem: i've got an ATI hd 2400 it seems working 'cause fglxgears run smoothly, the problem is when i start openarena it runs well but when i try to change video setting it crashes07:41
pagllp78, you should be able to...07:41
llp78not a supported file type :-(07:41
paggiksaw_, /nick DesiredNick07:41
lovreScorpKing: thank you very much, il be back later07:41
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ScorpKingnp :D07:41
Lovre`bbiabbbiab07:41
giksaw_it says it is already in use07:41
giksaw_pag, it says it is in use07:42
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paggiksaw_, do you still have Kopete open?07:42
giksaw_I closed it07:42
giksaw_pag, I closed it07:42
paggiksaw_, check in tray ;) KDE usually just minimises apps there07:43
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Giksawpag, ok07:43
pagllp78, do you have " flac " installed?07:44
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pagGiksaw, then you should look at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration for information and instructions on user registartion07:44
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ubuntu__hye07:45
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adlisyakirhye07:46
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adlisyakirhow to create dual boot like using vista and kubuntu?07:46
llp78pag: is that an extrapackagelike Lame ?i can play the flac files -07:46
adlisyakirwhy.. i 'm try with install windows first.. and then kubuntu, its not show me dual boot to choose07:46
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adlisyakirso, try n try... many times.. it still same07:47
pagllp78, I'm not sure.. I just have a feeling, that that package might be important :)07:47
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llp78pag :-) just installing07:47
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llp78llp78 oh look its working - thanks genius07:48
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JuJuBeeHow do I share a USB printer connected to my computer?07:48
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Dr_willisJuJuBee,  to a windows machine. Use samba07:52
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acemoshould ftp be able to transfer a zip file in ascii mode?07:53
JuJuBeenm, I got it.  needed to set up cups server...07:54
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JuJuBeeThanks Dr. Willis.07:54
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Dr_willisacemo,  for binary files. You want to enable binary mode. I recall.. from ages ago...07:55
Dr_willishavent heard about binary/ascii file transfers/modes in years.. :P07:55
acemoDr_willis: tnx, i just need to implement the minimum of the ftp rfc, wich says ascii mode, but i was afraid i did something wrong because zip file didnt went too well07:56
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fevel_hey...can I change the font collor of the taskbar?07:59
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pagfevel_, ink KDE 3.5.7 you can :)07:59
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iliahi there need help with USB automount08:02
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RiddellRiderxsjado23: hmm?08:05
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fevel_Pag: how?08:06
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herohow do you disable the float-over descriptions on panel objects?08:08
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Daltonis there a how-to to put 7.10 on a usb key?08:08
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giksaw /msg NickServ IDENTIFY savicevic108:10
fevel_thanks for your password08:10
fevel_hope youdont use it for everything08:10
fevel_lol08:10
llp78oh no08:11
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llp78:-)08:11
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fevel_anyone know how I can change the font collor for the taskbar?08:12
giksawoops08:12
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Third_Paradoxhi all, I have a problem with apt-get, I keep trying to install stuff and it spits back Error 1 all the time, not even sudo "dpkg --configure -a" is helping, it keeps saying dependency problems...08:13
Third_Paradoxis this the right place to ask for help?08:14
Third_Paradox*sudo dpkg --configure -a*08:14
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giksaw?08:15
Third_Paradoxcan anyone help me or point me somewhere whereI can ge help?08:18
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Third_Paradoxall the forums I've looks at arn't to helpful andd this is kinda urgent - any help would be greatly appreciated08:19
Third_Paradox:)08:19
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llp78Third_Paradox: out the box apt-get works perfect on a clean install - how did this error occur08:20
Third_Paradoxtrying to install qt08:20
Third_Paradoxand then tetex-base08:20
Third_Paradoxit's having problems with linux-image-something08:21
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Third_Paradoxand now all the tetex dependencies08:21
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Third_ParadoxI need to do a 'reset' on my packages or something (at least I think)08:22
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Third_Paradoxi can get the package names but i don'ty think it's the packages specificaally that are the problem (thx for any help btw)08:24
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monolithDoes KWallet actualy encrypt passwords?08:29
monolithOr any other data you store in it08:29
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herchu-1234hi there. I am playing with my network settings  for a laptop. I configured wired and wireless following this howto: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=318539. I have just one question: If I do '/etc/init.d/networking restart', with my current settings (dhcp for both wired and wireless), it tries for about a minute to get a dhcp on eth0, with the cable unplugged. Is it there a way to detect there is no cable and abandon dhcp?08:32
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bigleonHello, anybody got any recommondationis for alternatives for K-torrent, i'm getting crashes, and files that when started crash the app.08:33
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slackernbigleon: maybe deluge-torrent?08:37
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emilsedghbigleon: azereus?08:37
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bigleoni heard about deluge, is that really as good as people claim?08:40
bigleoni heard it was suppose to put Utorrent to shame08:40
slackernbigleon: i haven't tried the latest versions of it, right now im using ktorrent from the gutsy repos and that works great for me08:41
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bigleonmine has gone wack on my saying .torrents are torrent files -.-08:42
bigleonaren't*08:42
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slackernbigleon: hmm no idea what could be causing it either =/08:43
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bigleonYeah... really disappointing i've been starting to like ktorrent other than fact that it doesn't seem to go aboe 50kb/s on an internet that peaks at over 180008:43
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bigleonalthough i'm sure college network isn't helping lol08:45
bigleonoh and i keep getting this error about not being able to write files...08:45
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navetshello08:46
slackernbigleon: i get around 3.5 megabytes/sec with ktorrent here and that is about the max i can get during daytime, haven't tried so much during late nights when the network isn't so congested08:46
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bigleoni'd be happy with 1mbs lol08:46
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slackernbigleon: oh i mostly was meaning that the software can handle higher speeds than 50kb/s so to say08:47
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bigleoni figured so... I don't think it's a seed problem either, because i'm doing about 15 dls at a time08:48
bigleonbetween 15 i should be able to get atleast a little more08:48
slackernbigleon: personally i haven't noticed any difference between rtorrent/utorrent/ktorrent/azureus/deluge08:48
bigleonjust installed deluge and it won't even start up... so i guess i'm stuck with ktorrent08:49
slackernbigleon: =/08:50
bigleonGah, i've been noticing it alot 1/5 programs seem to ever work after installing...08:50
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slackernbigleon: and here i am running gutsy without any problems :), not in kde though since i felt like giving gnome a little spin for the new release08:51
bigleonI can't stand gnome... kde strong...08:52
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bigleonI got over 20gb's of music on here... don't really want to manually add my cds again... to upgrade to gutsy08:52
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slackernbigleon: personally i prefer kde also but i do enjoy varying from DE to DE, haven't used a simple WM for a long time though, maybe i should play a little with fluxbox again :)08:53
bigleonI'm still waiting on ati to pump out there new uber linux friendly driver this month i'm excited08:54
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slackernbigleon: aye it could be nice, i have a x1950 pro card myself so im stuck with some pain here too, but im running the opensource radeonhd driver right now08:55
bigleoni got an Mobile x1400 and well i can't do shit for 3d or anything for that mater stuck at 1200X800 on my 21 inch widescreen laptop08:55
slackernbigleon: hmm maybe you can try the opensource driver, which chip is it on the x1400?08:56
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bigleonNot sure08:56
slackernbigleon: just a min will check08:56
bigleonAti radeon is all i know08:56
kaminixHow can I re-encode from .sub -> .srt?08:57
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slackernbigleon: do a lspci -v and check the device id of your card, if it says 7145 it could work08:58
bigleon00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS/940GML and 945GT Expr08:59
bigleoness Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)08:59
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bigleonone sec i'm an idiot09:00
bigleonlol09:00
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slackernhehe09:00
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bigleonkk found vid card09:00
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bigleonwhere is the number i'm looking for?09:01
slackernunder a line such as this one 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV570 [Radeon X1950 Pro]  there should be something about device and then a 4 letter number09:01
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Kachnahttp://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3087051.0;prev_next=prev#new09:03
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bigleonhttp://paste-it.net/378809:03
bigleonlook at that09:03
slackernbigleon: aye thats it, let me check the device id list in the code09:03
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slackernbigleon:  0x7145, 0x1028, 0x2002, "Dell Inspiron 9400", PANEL_B2_VGA_A0_DVI_A10 it's included here in the ID list so you could maybe try the opensource driver, it's not exactly fast, it's like running the vesa driver in it's current state09:05
bigleonsee one i got is slow09:05
slackernbigleon: but maybe you get proper resolutions and stuff atleast?09:05
bigleonand doesnt' support 1400X900 res09:05
bigleonone i'm using is Fgrlx09:05
bigleoni think09:05
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slackernbigleon: anyhow, you would have to compile it yourself and download the source code and stuff, maybe it's a little too much work, i don't know how much you want to mess with it either09:06
slackernthere is also a channel here for the driver #radeonhd with all the driver developers in it09:07
bigleonWell i got all afternoon, but i'm not that bright when it comes to complining etc09:07
slackernbigleon: so you can talk to them directly09:07
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