[12:39] <NickPresta> !baddevice | ghozala
[12:39] <ubotu> ghozala: If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[12:39] <ivan_> kwin --replace &
[12:39] <uga> ivan_: compiz doesn't run any windeco by default
[12:40] <ghozala> then i try the same command
[12:40] <ivan_> To use window - decoration from kde U must install compiz-kde or emeral - to use emerald.
[12:40] <uga> ghozala: run alt+f2 and compiz --replace
[12:40] <uga> ghozala: then alt+f2 again, and run kde-window-deco
[12:40] <uga> tha tshould do
[12:40] <ivan_> type in terminal sudo apt-get install emerald.
[12:40] <uga> ivan_: nonono
[12:40] <uga> =)
[12:40] <kkathman> there seems to be continuing problems at least on my box, when you shut down under compiz-fusion - it always locks up the system, doing a kwin --replace seems to do the same thing unfortunately :(
[12:40] <kkathman> otherwise, c-f runs great :)
[12:41] <uga> ivan_: aquamarine is meant to be the one that runs kwin themes in compiz, but now it got replaced by kde-window-deco
[12:41] <uga> ghozala: sorry, kde-window-decorator
[12:41] <uga> is the whole name
[12:42] <ivan_> somebody know how to install vmware-console without vmware?
[12:42] <ghozala> uga:Could not run the specified command
[12:42] <uga> then you are missing the install. A second
[12:42] <uga> ghozala: sudo apt-get install compiz-kde
[12:44] <ghozala> ok uga then i try the same command agian
[12:44] <ivan_> uga: sudo apt-get install compiz compiz-kde emerald compizconfig-settings-manager || compiz --replace &
[12:45] <gabi> sdfsdfs
[12:45] <ghozala> uga: i type this on the terminal
[12:46] <ghozala> am i right as it is
[12:47] <ivan_> uga: emeral is better, then compiz-kde. Go to the http://kde-look.org and get nice window decorations for emerald.
[12:48] <ghozala> ivan i got compiz already
[12:48] <u0643589_> hola
[12:48] <ghozala> tell me plz what can i do to get the best results
[12:48] <ivan_> ghozala: and emerald too?
[12:48] <ghozala> ok give me the command to get it
[12:49] <ivan_> ghozala: troubles with decorations?
[12:50] <ghozala> ya
[12:50] <uga> sorry, I had a glitch =)
[12:50] <uga> ghozala: kde-window-decorator didn't help?
[12:50] <bazhang> Thanks! Oddly enough, when I did simply compiz --replace I lost the title bars, and the ability to type; the mouse worked fine,  and could access all the menus, but no input. alt f2 and compiz --replace & (after logging out and in again) set me right. Cheerrs!
[12:50] <ghozala> from two hours i cant apply one new theme
[12:50] <tekstacy> what is the command to stop x
[12:50] <ivan_> ghozala: use emerld.
[12:50] <uga> ghozala: I just started it up here. "compiz --replace" and then afterwards "kde-window-decorator --replace"
[12:51] <ghozala> in run or in konsole
[12:51] <ivan_> ghozala: in terminal: sudo apt-get install emeralg || compiz --replace & || emerald --replace &
[12:51] <uga> ghozala: whichever you prefer
[12:51] <tekstacy> run
[12:52] <Minataku> Dr_willis... isn't here
[12:52] <uga> ivan_: emerald or kde-window-decorator should do the same, except kde-window-decorator will  use kde themes, which are much more consistent
[12:52] <hydrogen> ivan_: that looks like its going to not do what you want
[12:52] <tekstacy> I need to dpkg -reconfigure, but I ned to stop it first
[12:52] <hydrogen> unless you want it to install emerald or start compiz or try to start emerald
[12:52] <ivan_> uga: i don't like kde themes with compiz.
[12:53] <uga> ivan_: oh well, if you don't mind having a subset of functionality with buttons in the window deco, then you're fine with emerald
[12:53] <uga> ivan_: either emerald or kde-window-decorator will do
[12:53] <ivan_> uga: :) I do.
[12:53] <uga> both do the same thing
[12:54] <uga> ivan_: I just love being able to say that an app goes on all desktops, or having the help button there
[12:54] <Bleep> hi can someone give me a link to a .deb file? its called pppd.... or ppp
[12:54] <uga> ivan_: or the fullscreen option
[12:54] <biovore> Bleep: apt-cache search pppd
[12:54] <biovore> Bleep: apt-cache search ppp
[12:54] <Bleep> i have no internet on laptop
[12:55] <biovore> oh..
[12:55] <biovore> packages.ubuntu.com
[12:55] <biovore> do a seach.. then click to download deb
[12:55] <biovore> also shows dependancies you will need
[12:56] <tekstacy> Anyone know the run command to turn off x?
[12:56] <Bleep> wow ty... thats so hard to find on their website and google :D
[12:56] <biovore> tekstacy: /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[12:56] <biovore> as root
[12:57] <biovore> or gdm if your running gdm
[12:57] <Daisuke_Ido> or xdm if you're running xdm
[12:57] <Daisuke_Ido> or...
[12:57] <Daisuke_Ido> yeah, you get the picture
[12:57] <tekstacy> Cool, thanks!
[12:58] <bazhang> kde-window-decorator --replace & is crazy! when you mouse over various start menu categories, the items window floats out--very cool.
[12:59] <uga> bazhang: I'd think that's due to compiz, not only about kde-window-decorator?
[12:59] <uga> or maybe I'm wrong
[01:01] <Mr_Sonoma> sounds to me like a compiz effect too
[01:01] <uga> unless the window decorator recognises thsoe as different windows
[01:01] <bazhang> uga: no doubt; it's just instead of emerald. can't wait to see what KDE4 can do with this.
[01:01] <uga> bazhang: heh, kde4 runs its own "compiz" =)
[01:02] <emilsedgh> bazhang: i think kde4 .0 cannot do much for you
[01:02] <uga> I found that slowish last time I tried
[01:02] <uga> emilsedgh: ?
[01:02] <uga> emilsedgh: it can =)
[01:02] <emilsedgh> uga: kwin's compositing isnt very nice atm...
[01:02] <biovore> kde4 is in need of much more development.. something time will only cure..
[01:02] <uga> emilsedgh: give time to time. there were very useful features there
[01:02] <uga> rather than toys
[01:03] <emilsedgh> uga: last time i tried, it justed distroyed everything, let me try again :)
[01:03] <uga> lol, you're running svn, I suppose
[01:04] <bazhang> emilsedgh: really? the way it looks now, yeah, but KDE 3.5.7 is so much nicer than a year ago--I used to loathe it, and now it's pretty sweet.
[01:04] <emilsedgh> uga: no :(
[01:04] <uga> ah, I don't use betas
[01:04] <uga> whoever thought of packaging betas... =)
[01:04] <Minataku> I've used betas before
[01:05] <Minataku> Heck, a number of my machines are running NetBSD 4.0RC1
[01:05] <uga> Minataku: kde4 betas aren't usable
[01:05] <emilsedgh> just, could i run a command in a runlevel, but it runs in a different runlevel?
[01:05] <Minataku> Heh
[01:05] <uga> and not representative of what they will be either
[01:05] <Minataku> uga: That would be the difference, then ;3
[01:05] <uga> so why package them
[01:05] <Mr_Sonoma> betas aren't always bad =) but some are awfully buggy, but their supposed to be arent they??? *grin*
[01:05] <uga> they are supposed to be, yes
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> there's a difference in how people use "beta"
[01:06] <Daisuke_Ido> there's "google beta", which is everything pretty much works, maybe a tiny issue once in a great while
[01:07] <Daisuke_Ido> and there's "microsoft beta", which is also known as vista
[01:07] <uga> LOL
[01:08] <emilsedgh> :D
[01:08] <emilsedgh> and real beta, which means unusable :D
[01:08] <Daisuke_Ido> emilsedgh: i JUST covered that...
[01:08] <kin> hello its me bleep!
[01:08] <kin> via kubuntu :D:D:D\
[01:08] <bazhang> hello!
[01:09] <emilsedgh> didnt see it, sorry Daisuke_Ido
[01:09] <kin> finally... adsl on kubuntu
[01:09] <Daisuke_Ido> emilsedgh: yeah, see where it says "microsoft beta"?
[01:09] <emilsedgh> oh!
[01:09] <bazhang> kin: nice.
[01:09] <emilsedgh> Daisuke_Ido: no no,  microsoft softwares are always in beta mode :D
[01:09] <quixogre> back
[01:10] <Daisuke_Ido> emilsedgh: nah, sp1 is release candidate, sp2 is usable
[01:10] <Daisuke_Ido> traditionally, anyway
[01:10] <bazhang> this time vista is early alpha.
[01:10] <emilsedgh> Daisuke_Ido: is that? i dont think so, never tried it...
[01:10] <Daisuke_Ido> i hate windows, i really do, but xp sp2 is by far the closest they've gotten to getting it right
[01:10] <Bleep> guess what......
[01:11] <Daisuke_Ido> did you let the blue smoke out?
[01:12] <Bleep> im finally liberated from the evil world of microsoft
[01:12] <Bleep> now i can start being independent
[01:13] <bazhang> Bleep: yes!
[01:13] <ardchoille> Bleep: Good job!
[01:13] <Bleep> im so happy now...
[01:13] <ardchoille> I love it when that happens :)
[01:14] <bazhang> a question for the experts: are desktops more stable than laptops with Linux?
[01:14] <quixogre> i've got a poll-type question...can anyone recommend a good free game for linux?
[01:14] <quixogre> bazhang: the big difference is in wireless support imho
[01:14] <ardchoille> quixogre: crack-attack, lbreakout2, chromiumBSD
[01:14] <Bleep> i needed ppp and pptp installed and some configuration guide to get adsl runnin
[01:14] <bazhang> quixogre: frozen bubble.
[01:14] <biovore> Bleep: pppoe?
[01:15] <Bleep> no pppoe
[01:15] <quixogre> laptops run linux/ubunutu fairly well. only problem now, is that wifi support for ubuntu/linux is sketchy at best
[01:15] <biovore> well blame the wifi manufactures.. the only one that has offical support is intell
[01:16] <biovore> all the other wifi stuff is a hack a best
[01:16] <biovore> or basement built
[01:16] <bazhang> quixogre: I had heard on another channel that laptops had more heat issues than desktops, and that is area Linux could improve upon.
[01:16] <Bleep> hmm i should post the solution in the forums... i'm just lucky to find the solution with google in a hard way
[01:17] <quixogre> bazhang: only because linux doesnt heat up processors/eat memory the way windoze do
[01:17] <bazhang> quixogre: true.
[01:17] <biovore> ^ I don't know about that one..
[01:17] <biovore> I put a hurting on here.
[01:17] <biovore> then again. running at 100% for over 10 hours will do that..
[01:17] <bazhang> has anyone seen the firefox addon for ubuntuforums?
[01:18] <quixogre> biovore: yeah, but linux as a whole uses fewer cycles than windows
[01:18] <quixogre> biovore. vista REQUIRES 1 gig of memory...
[01:18] <biovore> quixogre: depends.. still..  windows is a memory hog because of graphics..
[01:18] <biovore> and dll's method kinda sucks..
[01:19] <biovore> .so (shared objects) are more memory efficent..
[01:20] <quixogre> i want to find a RTS game for linux...test out the graphics capabilities now that i got hardware up and running
[01:20] <bazhang> just curious; if Linux has protected memory, then how can a whole system crash? shouldn't it just be an individual application? Or is that a hardware issue? or javascript?
[01:21] <quixogre> baz technically, windows has protected memory...
[01:21] <quixogre> and they been crashing for YEARS
[01:21] <bazhang> quixogre: so does OS X...
[01:22] <quixogre> meh. never p[layed with macs
[01:22] <quixogre> macs make me feel like im being spoonfed. not sure why
[01:23] <bazhang> quixogre: I have; got an intel imac before I got bit by the Linux bug, and it's slow compared to Linux running on a comparable machine--core duo
[01:23] <kin> my adsl seems to be at the slow side when i visit youtube are gamespot... whats the cause of that?
[01:23] <kin> or
[01:24] <Chousuke> bazhang: when something causes the whole system to crash it usually means it was some driver that did something wrong in kernelspace
[01:24] <bazhang> kin: probably older version of flash.
[01:24] <kin> aha
[01:24] <bazhang> Chousuke: thanks!
[01:24] <Chousuke> bazhang: and that driver malfunction was triggered by the software
[01:25] <mneptok> bazhang: protected memory is not a silver bullet
[01:25] <bazhang> Chousuke: that would explain wordpress +javascript +autosave +any Linux distro crash.
[01:26] <jhutchins> bazhang: java anything would explain the crash.
[01:26] <bazhang> great addon for firefox--not sure if it's snark or not--at www.fsckin.com
[01:27] <jhutchins> Oh, there's a winning combo! java + firecrash!
[01:27] <mneptok> jhutchins: javascript is not related to java at all
[01:27] <bazhang> jhutchins: is java/javascript an exploit risk?
[01:27] <biovore> thats client side exploit maybe
[01:27] <biovore> not on server though..
[01:28] <jhutchins> bazhang: yes, within your understanding of the java code you're running.
[01:28] <bazhang> jhutchins: firecrash--I love it! Konqueror is far better.
[01:28] <bazhang> jhutchins: which is nil.
[01:29] <jhutchins> bazhang: So I just got plunged back into desktop support running OS-X and XP, and I can't believe the stuff that you CAN'T do in either, that Just Works in Linux.  IE hard-crashed my macbook today, although it did have the grace to automatically reboot to OS-X
[01:31] <bazhang> jhutchins: I wonder if it's possible to wipe OS X and install Linux over it? It's an intel core duo.
[01:31] <biovore> jhutchins: Mac + backing-up DVD --  nope..
[01:31] <biovore> bazhang: is basicly a normal pc
[01:31] <jhutchins> bazhang: No, I have to have the Mac side too, but I'm thinking 3way boot.
[01:32] <bazhang> biovore: could I run a liveCD on a Mac--start up from Kubuntu liveCD, for example?
[01:32] <biovore> not sure..  I don't have a mac
[01:33] <bazhang> jhutchins: boot camp?
[01:33] <bazhang> biovore: thanks!
[01:34] <kin> uhm.... does kubuntu have firewall and virusscanner installed?
[01:34] <jhutchins> bazhang: Yeah. I'm thinking VMWare is the ultimate solution.
[01:35] <bazhang> jhutchins: I've been using virtual box, it's not that bad.
[01:35] <jhutchins> Linux as the primary OS and the others as instant-access instead of multiboot.
[01:35] <jhutchins> I hear there are killer problems with "Parallels".
[01:36] <bazhang> jhutchins: mac in vmware? Is that possible?
[01:36] <jhutchins> They've been dithering for a week about how to allocate a license for Office, so I got fed up and installed oo on the Windows side.  Think I'm going with oo-Aqua on the Mac.
[01:37] <Dragnslcr> kin- I believe iptables is installed by default. Not sure offhand what there are for GUI frontends for it
[01:37] <jhutchins> bazhang: I have no idea.  As soon as i know, I'll be the only one within 500 miles who does know, and will bill accordingly <grin>!
[01:38] <jhutchins> Dragnslcr: The text interfaces are better than the current GUI's, which are all broken in some way, but there are good attempts that might work for you.
[01:38] <jhutchins> I'm using shorewall (text) which is way overkill.
[01:38] <jhutchins> It offers me a quick way to ban a specific IP; other than that I use raw iPTABLES scripts.
[01:44] <boris> i have some data on usb HDD
[01:45] <boris> wich is format in xfs
[01:45] <boris> I can not reed date foromhdd
[01:45] <boris> ineed help
[01:45] <bazhang> can you try a rescue disk?
[01:46] <boris> how
[01:46] <boris> i ned thous data
[01:46] <bazhang> not sure about Kubuntu, but I believe Knoppix, among others has this feature; a liveCD that is good at that sort of thing.
[01:46] <boris> lrm on /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/volatile type tmpfs (rw)
[01:47] <DaSkreech> Jucato: What do you know about lancelot
[01:48] <Jucato> DaSkreech: nothing except that it's supposed to be an alternative launcher for KDE4
[01:48] <DaSkreech> A no mouse launcher right?
[01:48] <Jucato> perhaps. like I said, that's the only thing I know
[01:49] <DaSkreech> ok
[01:49] <Jucato> but in case this is going where I think it's going, dunno if you've seen this: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=60941
[01:51] <jasonsd> hi im told that i need the "gstreamer headers" to make sound work on pidgin built from source on my kubuntu box -- im not finding a package called that what should i be using?
[01:52] <Alonea> hi, I wanted to try out kde4 beta 2, but I am not sure what I did wrong, I installed it, copied the file /usr/lib/.. to /usr/share/.. and edited the name entry to KDE 4 and put the 4 export lines above the /usr/lib/kde4/startkde thing. When I try to log into it, screen goes black, then shoots me back to the login screen
[01:52] <Jucato> jasonsd: try libgstreamer0.10-dev
[01:52] <Jucato> er... the version number might be different
[01:52] <jasonsd> Jucato: ok
[01:53] <bazhang> will there be a 7.10 for ppc?
[01:54] <Jucato> perhaps an unofficial one
[01:54] <Jucato> !ppc
[01:54] <ubotu> PowerPC.  Formerly used by Apple for the Macintosh line of computers. Variants are now used in popular gaming consoles. PPC was a fully supported Ubuntu architecture up to and including edgy. It is now a community port, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ
[01:55] <bazhang> Jucato: thanks!
[01:55] <bazhang> I know about the Feisty version (unofficial); at any rate, there's no way that my old Powerbook could handle compiz-fusion.
[01:56] <jasonsd> im trying to build pidgin from source -- it builds but has no sound -- anyone have any advice
[01:56] <jasonsd> ?
[01:56] <Alonea> er wait, this line kind of confuses me. : To run it as a full session copy /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop to /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop
[01:56] <Alonea> Do I copy the kde.desktop file to the xsessions folder? or do I copy kde.desktop to xsessions folder and rename it to kde4.desktop?
[01:57] <Jucato> the latter
[01:58] <ardchoille> If he copies, then renames, won't that mess up the existing kde.desktop file?
[01:58] <Jucato> oh yeah
[01:58] <Jucato> but if he uses cp, it won't
[01:58] <ardchoille> ok
[01:59] <ardchoille> cp doesn't overwite?
[01:59] <Jucato> the command would be "cp  /usr/lib/kde4/share/apps/kdm/sessions/kde.desktop /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop"
[02:00] <ardchoille> Jucato: Ah, yeah, that keeps from having the problem I assumed he would have
[02:02] <Alonea> brb. gonna see if this works now.
[02:03] <ardchoille> If I want to switch kdm themes from the command line, which file do I edit?
[02:05] <Jucato> gutsy or pre-gutsy?
[02:05] <ardchoille> Feisty. It's different on Gutsy?
[02:05] <Jucato> yes
[02:05] <Jucato> pre-gutsy: /etc/kde3/kdm/kmdrc
[02:06] <Jucato> gutsy, you can use a file override and set it in /etc/default/kdm.d/
[02:06] <VSpike> When I drag windows sideways, I get "tearing" along vertical edges.  Is this pretty normal?
[02:07] <ardchoille> Jucato: Wow, sounds lke gutsy is going to change a lot of stuff
[02:07] <ardchoille> VSpike: I've never seen that here.
[02:07] <Jucato> ardchoille: that change is from Debian Etch
[02:08] <ardchoille> Jucato: Yeah, and I'm starting to see a lot of /path/*.d stuff
[02:08] <VSpike> ardchoille: if you drag a foregroudn window over other windows, do you get any trails or flicker on the window behind?
[02:08] <ardchoille> VSpike: No, but I have nvidia drivers installed for my card.
[02:08] <VSpike> ardchoille: me too
[02:09] <ardchoille> Jucato: As in /etc/apt/sources.list.d I'm assuming you can specify sources there like you can with yum
[02:09] <VSpike> ardchoille: I always thought my X performance sucked
[02:10] <VSpike> ardchoille: resizing windows looks horrendous too
[02:10] <Jucato> ardchoille: yes. that's how wine intructs users to add its repo. not in sources.list directly
[02:10] <ardchoille> VSpike: :(
[02:11] <ghozala> HELP!!!!!hay i get emerald and i install and i got some themes for it but i didnt know how to activate it
[02:11] <Alonea> ok, so now it goes to a black screen and stays there instead of throwing me back to the login screen
[02:11] <Alonea> @@
[02:11] <VSpike> Things look better with compiz-fusion running, but resizing is still slow.  However, video output of kaffeine and vlc something has some problems under compiz, and I also get some stability problems when switching between X sessions
[02:12] <VSpike> It's so annoying ... i used vista the other day on a 300 HP machine and it's as smooth as butter by comparison
[02:12] <Alonea> any ideas as to what is the problem or am I just sol?
[02:12] <ardchoille> VSpike: But Linux is more secure and stable.. by comparison ;)
[02:13] <bazhang> VSpike: surely you jest.
[02:13] <Alonea> its great when you get the blue screen in vista, mind this was the beta version, but it was the last beta before release
[02:13] <VSpike> bazhang: not at all
[02:13] <ardchoille> Alonea: beta is still beta
[02:13] <VSpike> bazhang: given vista's rep, that makes me think something must be wrong with my setup
[02:14] <bazhang> VSpike: I've used Vista on a Sony Vaio, with 2 GB of ram, and it was as slow as a dog.
[02:14] <Pitabred> It shouldn't be dog slow with 2 gigs of RAM unless you have slow video drivers or something
[02:14] <bazhang> VSpike: could be.
[02:14] <ardchoille> VSpike: Given my experiences with nvidia on more than 100 machines, I think your setup is messed up somehow.
[02:14] <ghozala> vista is appearance not performance
[02:14] <Pitabred> Perhaps the readyboost or whatever was caching files in the background
[02:15] <Alonea> ardchoille: indeed, and I do not wish to have the actual vista. now a friend of mine who does have vista and hers keeps crashing all the time, but I also don't know how she has it set up or how much ram she has
[02:15] <VSpike> bazhang: I'm not sure about application performance as such, but the UI itself was smooth... not flicker, smooth fades, etc
[02:15] <ghozala> HELP!!!!!hay i get emerald and i install and i got some themes for it but i didnt know how to activate it
[02:15] <Daisuke_Ido> ghozala: do you have beryl or compiz installed?
[02:15] <VSpike> ardchoille: secure I'd agree with .. I'm still not sure about stability, compared to XP at least.  Depends how you define stability I guess
[02:15] <ardchoille> ghozala: join #ubuntu-effects
[02:15] <Alonea> anyway, anyone tried out the kde 4 beta 2?
[02:15] <ghozala> i got emerald
[02:15] <bazhang> VSpike: I'll give you that, but when playing music (or other media), networking drops to 10 percent!
[02:16] <Daisuke_Ido> ghozala: that wasn't the question
[02:16] <bazhang> Alonea: yes, lots of work to be done yet.
[02:16] <VSpike> bazhang: that you could well be right about :) I didn't really use the machine that much, just dragged windows around and went "ooh"
[02:16] <ghozala> i got emerald theme manger
[02:16] <Alonea> bazhang: ah, I just wanted to look at it, but alas I cannot seem to get into said system.
[02:16] <ardchoille> Alonea: I heard that kde4 is barely useable
[02:16] <ghozala> and compiz
[02:16] <Daisuke_Ido> okay
[02:17] <ardchoille> ghozala: join #ubuntu-effects
[02:17] <bazhang> Alonea: it's really not usable.
[02:17] <Daisuke_Ido> then #ubuntu-effects can help
[02:17] <Alonea> ah, ok. figures then. Guess I will stop trying then.
[02:18] <bazhang> VSpike: you should see the web page called a 'cost analysis of windows vista'
[02:18] <Alonea> sounds like beryl on my comp. completely unusable. ^__^ course I have ati card and thus I am pretty much doomed anyway for anything to do with graphics
[02:18] <slackern> Alonea: which card you got?
[02:18] <Pitabred> I actually had decent luck with my old Radeon 9600 mobile and Linux
[02:18] <bazhang> Alonea: are you using feisty?
[02:19] <Alonea> slackern: on a laptop, ati xpress 200m
[02:19] <Alonea> bazhang: yeah.
[02:19] <slackern> Alonea: hmm is that a r5xx or r6xx gpu?
[02:19] <bazhang> Alonea: I got beryl working fine on a really old (7years) ati card.
[02:20] <bazhang> ati 340M
[02:20] <VSpike> I really hate the way that KDE doesnt have an option to resize with an outline instead of resizing window contents live, which doesn't freeze the whole desktop
[02:20] <Alonea> slackern: have no idea. never seen r anything before. its an hp pavillion 8113cl
[02:20] <slackern> Alonea: You could have a look here might give an idea http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_ATI_Graphics_Processing_Units
[02:21] <slackern> Alonea: I have problems myself with my x1950 pro card but my 9800Pro card works great
[02:21] <bazhang> Alonea: I think Gutsy will get you going.
[02:21] <Pitabred> VSpike: what do you mean?  Go to the control center, then the Window Behavior widget, and under the "Moving" tab you can uncheck "display content in resizing windows"
[02:22] <Alonea> bazhang: you mean, with gusty I can get beryl to work?
[02:22] <slackern> I have all my hope in the new radeonhd (opensource) drivers that are being developed, running them right now or have been for a week now or so, works good but no acceleration yet with them
[02:23] <VSpike> Pitabred: if you do that, try resizing a window, and while you are holding the window edge, all display updates in all windows will be frozen
[02:23] <DaSkreech> Hi Alonea
[02:23] <bazhang> Alonea: well, in gutsy, it's compiz-fusion; beryl and compiz have rejoined.
[02:24] <Pitabred> My Konsole is still showing updates when I run an "apt-get update" while resizing another window...?
[02:24] <Alonea> hey DaSkreech
[02:24] <Alonea> bazhang: ah ok, its been a while since I have tried. is it easier to install this time around?
[02:25] <Pitabred> video still plays, too
[02:25] <VSpike> Pitabred: mine doesnt
[02:25] <Pitabred> ...what video drivers are you using?  I've got Gutsy + Nvidia + Compiz
[02:26] <VSpike> Pitabred: feisty + nvidia + kde 3.5.7
[02:26] <Alonea> bazhang: as it is I managed to get fglrx and that was it.
[02:26] <bazhang> Alonea: no need to install; in gutsy it's there by default--at least in Ubuntu--in Kubuntu (this beta) I had to install a few packages, and magic!
[02:26] <Pitabred> Weird. I've got KDE 3.5.7 here, too
[02:27] <Alonea> bazhang: oh? I might have to try this, but not right this second. I don't want to screw up my computer at the moment.
[02:27] <VSpike> Pitabred: are you running compiz? because that could change things I'd imagine
[02:27] <VSpike> Pitabred: if you are running compiz, that setting in KDE shouldnt have any effect surely, because it would be a kwin setting
[02:27] <Pitabred> It could, but that'd be very strange for the KDE window manager to not be multi-threaded
[02:28] <bazhang> Alonea: you should wait until the final comes out. well worth the wait; I'm running Kubuntu Gutsy beta and not any problems, but if it's you're only machine, then best hold on.
[02:28] <Pitabred> And yes, it does have an effect
[02:28] <VSpike> I know you can get the same in compiz from ccsm
[02:28] <Pitabred> I have the KDE integration packages installed, so compiz respect's KDE's window manager settings
[02:28] <ghozala> HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!i need support ive got emerald and compiz in my system noting works what can i do to fix it
[02:29] <VSpike> Pitabred: ah, but it's still compiz doing the resizing.  I get the same if I enable compiz
[02:29] <bazhang> ghozala: try hitting alt +f2, then typing compiz --replace &, followed by kde-window-decorator --replace &. That should set you up.
[02:29] <VSpike> Pitabred: try switching to kwin
[02:30] <SlimeyPete> ghozala: I'm afraid I can't offer you any assistance myself but if no-one else here can help you you may wish to ask in #ubuntu-effects. #ubuntu-effects is a channel which is dedicated to compiz/beryl on Ubuntu.
[02:30] <VSpike> Pitabred: and agreed on the strangeness, especially since it works fine if you allow it to show the window contents
[02:30] <bazhang> ghozala: or you can type alt +f2, and emerald --replace &; I think KDE looks cooler, but that's just me.
[02:31] <VSpike> bazhang: agreed .. i tried all the emerald themes and went back to KDE decoration :)
[02:31] <vellakd> I'm having a problem with adept updater. It says that there is another instance open. Any ideas of what to do?
[02:32] <bazhang> VSpike: have you seen the way that new sub menus just float out? cool or what?
[02:32] <Daisuke_Ido> the emerald themes are good for two things
[02:32] <Daisuke_Ido> cloning vista
[02:32] <Daisuke_Ido> and cloning OS X
[02:33] <bazhang> vellakd: assuming you are not updating at the moment, then log out and log in again.
[02:33] <BluesKaj> vellakd, make sure apt and synaptic aren't running ...if not then : sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[02:33] <Daisuke_Ido> what?
[02:34] <bazhang> Daisuke_Ido: and who would want to clone those two? Linux is much better looking...
[02:34] <jasonsd> im trying to get wav files to play on my kubuntu - ive installed gstreamer0.10, the alsa plugin, the base plugin pack and the good plugin pack - -what else do i need to do?
[02:34] <BluesKaj> vista home premium has nice eyecandy if you're into that kind of thing
[02:34] <vellakd> BlusKaj: checked top (don't know what else to check) for any instances, and found none. I also tried the command, and it seemed to do nothing.
[02:35] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix
[02:35] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[02:35] <bazhang> jasonsd: well, if it's like other files, then a simple double click on it will launch a menu asking if you want to install all the codecs. works for mp3s, dvd and so on.
[02:36] <vellakd> Is this only a temporary fix, or a permanent one?
[02:36] <ghozala> why when i type compiz --replace & the screen goes white
[02:36] <jasonsd> bazhang: ok
[02:36] <ghozala> and i cant do anything to restore it back
[02:36] <BluesKaj> or vellakd , you may have a stalled install which didn't finish
[02:37] <bazhang> ghozala: what's your video card?
[02:37] <ghozala> nividia
[02:37] <vellakd> BluesKaj: I don't think it was that (this isn't my computer; I'm fixing it for someone else); the regular user of it is pretty good about proper shutdowns
[02:37] <ghozala> fx 5500
[02:37] <bazhang> ghozala: do you have the proper drivers?
[02:37] <vellakd> BluesKaj: it also seems to be working now (seems, anyway). Thanks for the help.
[02:37] <BluesKaj> vellakd, what about updates
[02:38] <ghozala> it is automatically installed
[02:38] <chris__> I've installed kubuntu-desktop, but when I login, I get Gnome, how do I make the switch?
[02:38] <vellakd> BluesKaj: it is now updating.
[02:38] <ghozala> and the appearance of the desktop is good and the resolution is high
[02:38] <BluesKaj> yeah, that adeptfix command just fixes and doesn't indicate the fact
[02:38] <bazhang> ghozala: ok. and you have compizconfig setting manager installed, along with compiz core and emerald?
[02:39] <nosrednaekim> chris__: are you using kdm? or the normal gnome login manager...
[02:39] <lubos> how do I skip xdm authentication ... ?
[02:39] <vellakd> BluesKaj: yeah, I would rather have some output on that, as oppsed to nothing :/
[02:39] <ghozala> yeah
[02:39] <chris__> not sure how to answer that... after I installed kubuntu-desktop, the login screen changed to K
[02:39] <chris__> but after I login, everything else is Gnome
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> chris__: ah ok,well in the bottom of the login screen there are two buttons, somewhere on one of them there will be a "sessions" select "KDE"
[02:40] <chris__> Do I need to logout to try that?
[02:40] <nosrednaekim> chris__: yeah
[02:40] <chris__> brb
[02:41] <BluesKaj> vellakd, agreed :)
[02:41] <lubos> how do i skip xdm authentication?
[02:41] <ghozala> bazhang: do u have any idea what can i do to fix that problem
[02:42] <bazhang> you know how to install stuff using adept, right?
[02:42] <vellakd> BluesKaj: Well, thanks again; the user wants him computer back now ;)
[02:42] <ghozala> yup
[02:42] <bazhang> ghozala: go to adept, and do a search for compiz; there should be something like compiz extra plugins.
[02:43] <ghozala> yes
[02:43] <ghozala> install it
[02:43] <bazhang> choose to install that, and for good measure, install emerald--the rest will be updated automatically.
[02:44] <Daisuke_Ido> heya nosredna
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: heya...
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: gutsy upgrade didn't work well for me..
[02:44] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: no suspend (stupid ATI drivers)
[02:45] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, yeah, you may have to go into synaptic/edit/fix brokenpkges....it worked for me
[02:46] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: nope... nothing there. Its an ATI driver problem for sure. when I disable fglrx it works flawlessly
[02:47] <bazhang> ghozala: you all set?
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: are you on gutsy?
[02:47] <BluesKaj> yup
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> oh... hmm and you have the same chipset as me as well..
[02:47] <nosrednaekim> odd
[02:47] <ghozala> bazhang: no i didnt find it i am trying to look it up at synaptic
[02:48] <Daisuke_Ido> ouch
[02:48] <Daisuke_Ido> you drop back to feisty?
[02:48] <bazhang> ghozala: are you on ubuntu or kubuntu?
[02:48] <ghozala> kubuntu
[02:48] <JpSSgtRock> Hi, all
[02:49] <JpSSgtRock> I've got a CUPS installation that insists that it's loaded with A4 instead of letter.
[02:49] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, the new HD ATI driver for the Radeon 2900 works on my X200G like a charm
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> Daisuke_Ido: nah.. I'll try to figure it out
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: I think i'm going to try it again.
[02:49] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: and that is very good to hear
[02:49] <JpSSgtRock> I've set /etc/papersize to letter, deleted and re-added the printer, and verified that it is set to letter.
[02:50] <BluesKaj> nosrednaekim, http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide
[02:50] <JpSSgtRock> The CUPS test page still comes out too short.  Page Size is listed as 8.25x10.38 in or 209.6x263.6mm
[02:50] <JpSSgtRock> Any ideas?
[02:50] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: gutsy here... but i'll look at it.
[02:50] <BluesKaj> yes gutsy here too, nosrednaekim
[02:51] <ghozala> bazhang: i am on kubuntu and i found compiz-kde and libdecoratin and compiz-core and emerald installed to my system
[02:51] <nosrednaekim> ok
[02:52] <chris__> Awesome, thanks!
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> chris__: that work?
[02:52] <chris__> Now for my second question... whenever it sleeps, hibernates ... etc
[02:52] <nosrednaekim> yeah....
[02:52] <chris__> Yes, I'm very happy
[02:53] <chris__> I cannot get the video signal to come back
[02:53] <chris__> I need to reboot after sleeping/hibernating
[02:53] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: I'm on Amd64, and I tried directly running the installer. seems it  doesn't like it. maybe generating debs will work.
[02:53] <ghozala> HELP!!!!!!! i am on kubuntu and i found compiz-kde and libdecoratin and compiz-core and emerald installed to my system AND I CANT CHANGE MY THEME
[02:53] <Alonea> bazhang: if I really wanted to, I could make another partition and do that. I have 2 hard drives on here and plenty of room on my first. I have windows on hd0 and linux on hd1.
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> chris__: well, ussually if its not working, it won't work ;)
[02:54] <chris__> boo
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> chris__: do you have the proprietary ATI drivers installed?
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> or nvidia
[02:54] <chris__> afaik
[02:54] <chris__> on Gnome I would use Synaptic manager to check
[02:54] <nosrednaekim> AFAYK what?
[02:55] <chris__> how can I check on kde
[02:55] <chris__> as far as I know
[02:55] <chris__> I installed nvidia-glx-new
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> chris__: you can run synaptic in KDE
[02:55] <chris__> I think it was
[02:55] <nosrednaekim> chris__: ah..ok
[02:55] <bazhang> ghozala: I think you need the extra plugins to get it going--at least stuff like ring switcher, expo, etc. I found it no problem with Adept--that comes standard with gutsy 7.10 kubuntu beta.
[02:55] <Daisuke_Ido> ghozala: as you've been told a few times now, go to #ubuntu-effects
[02:56] <bazhang> Alonea: wow! triple or quad-boot!
[02:56] <chris__> ah yes, found it
[02:56] <Daisuke_Ido> we are *not* the compositing experts
[02:56] <nosrednaekim> we are the impostering experts;)
[02:56] <bazhang> hahahaha
[02:56] <chris__> another symptom, several icons are missing from my menus
[02:56] <BluesKaj> oh, nosrednaekim , a warning , make sure you follow the uninstall instructions of the old driver before installing the new one.
[02:57] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: you mean uninstall the proprietary one first from apt? or is there something special...
[02:58] <bazhang> chris__: gutsy?
[02:58] <chris__> bazhang: pardon?
[02:58] <bazhang> chris__: are you running Gutsy beta?
[02:58] <chris__> I think I have Feisty, how do I confirm that?
[02:59] <BluesKaj> i mean this , nosrednaekim : http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> chris__: you have fiesty of you didn't purposefully upgrade
[02:59] <NickPresta> chris__, lsb_release -a
[02:59] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: ah ok... following to the letter
[02:59] <BluesKaj> then nosrednaekim , here's the driver : http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeonhdd.html
[03:00] <chris__> feisty
[03:00] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: yeah.. I already have it
[03:00] <BluesKaj> ok, tvtime with wifey...BBL
[03:01] <bazhang> chris__: sometimes in feisty I had the same thing; especially when adding new programs--it would take a log out (reboot?) to fix it.
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> BluesKaj: k
[03:01] <nosrednaekim> thanks
[03:02] <chris__> I have noticed this over the past week
[03:02] <chris__> Just installed Ubuntu about two weeks ago
[03:02] <nosrednaekim> chris__: oh... it used to work?
[03:02] <chris__> Don't think so
[03:02] <chris__> took me a while to realize which install was hozing it up when I walked away
[03:02] <chris__> sometime I still boot to XP
[03:02] <chris__> which hibernates pretty well
[03:03] <JpSSgtRock> Any ideas on my CUPS question?
[03:03] <bazhang> chris__: it's hard to make the switch.
[03:04] <nosrednaekim> chris__: yeah... suspend is one of the hard things to get working with linux, and its pretty much hit or miss
[03:04] <bazhang> chris__: feisty had some wireless issues for my laptop--they seem ok now in gutsy beta.
[03:04] <bazhang> chris__: it really is worth sticking with, though.
[03:05] <chris__> I couldn't agree more
[03:05] <chris__> Have been debating whether to put Ubuntu on my laptop
[03:05] <chris__> since XP makes it pretty slow these days
[03:06] <chris__> Thought maybe something a bit more light weight
[03:06] <chris__> but the install has been pretty painless
[03:06] <chris__> I tried OpenSUSE and the install was like debugging in assembly
[03:07] <bazhang> chris__: hahaha
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> chris__: gutsy fixed two of my problems (wireless and sound) but killed my suspend with the ATI drivers
[03:07] <nosrednaekim> chris__: but that is really ATI's fault
[03:08] <faires> Does somebody knows if there's a KDE graphical software that converts ps to pdf?
[03:09] <chris__> Gnome had some really cool screensaver pics
[03:09] <chris__> Where can I find them to use in KDE?
[03:10] <faires> It can be either a drop-down option than a software that opens ps and allows you to save on pdf...
[03:11] <Hirvinen> faires: I think KPDF converts ps to pdf before displaying it and it could then be saved.
[03:11] <bazhang> chris__: don't really remember in feisty, but kubuntu gutsy comes with a ton of screensavers. you could try kde-look.org
[03:12] <Hirvinen> faires: But what do you need a GUI for? Do you need to edit as well as convert?
[03:12] <Jucato> faires: answered in the other channel
[03:14] <faires> Hirvinen: no, I don't. In fact, I'm trying to get rid of konsole need, in order to better help my non-computer related friends on using kubuntu
[03:14] <fevel> can someone help me? I executed sudo nautilus& and now every time I login inside kde asks for my password
[03:14] <faires> Jucato: I didn't know "Print as PDF". Thanks a lot...
[03:14] <pramod> Hello Everyone
[03:14] <faires> Hirvinen: thanks a lot as well, I'll user pdf...
[03:14] <faires> kpdf*
[03:14] <Jucato> faires: almost all apps w/ printing capabilities have a Print to File (PDF)
[03:14] <bazhang> pramod: hi!
[03:15] <faires> Jucato: I didn't know it...
[03:15] <Jucato> now you do :)
[03:15] <fevel> its execute as root KDE su
[03:15] <faires> Jucato: I don't have a printer... :)
[03:15] <faires> So I seldom use the print menu
[03:15] <pramod> is it necessary to install an Antivirus for Kubuntu?
[03:15] <Jucato> neither did I until  this year. but I discovered that
[03:15] <Jucato> !antivirus | pramod
[03:15] <ubotu> pramod: antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[03:15] <Jucato> !linuxvirus | pramod
[03:15] <ubotu> pramod: The short life and hard times of a Linux Virus http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[03:16] <nosrednaekim> chris__: not sure where Gnome keeps its wallpapers.
[03:16] <Hirvinen> faires: I suggest that you just teach them not to fear the command line as for a task of this type it is just so much simpler.
[03:16] <pramod> thanx guys...
[03:16] <faires> Hirvinen: for that I should get over their preconcepts... I'm not a psychologist, and am not intending of becoming one... :)
[03:16] <bazhang> nosrednaekim: I think it's at gnome-look.org
[03:17] <faires> I just want them to use something better and more correct than Windows... :)
[03:17] <chris__> Ok here's a good KDE question
[03:17] <nosrednaekim> bazhang: he means on his own computer
[03:17] <chris__> Oh Gnome, I was able to see my other HD, not sure how to find it with KDE
[03:17] <bazhang> chris__: shoot.
[03:18] <bazhang> chris__: system menu, storage media.
[03:18] <nosrednaekim> chris__: in the file browser, put "media:/" in the location bar
[03:19] <pramod> well Linux do not need any Antivirus programs... :D  coool
[03:20] <chris__> media:/ worked
[03:20] <chris__> could not find a "storage media" in my system menu
[03:20] <chris__> oh junk
[03:20] <chris__> can't open the drive!?
[03:20] <paule118> lirfk
[03:21] <paule118> <y
[03:21] <chris__> hal-storage-fixed-mount-all-options refused uid 1000
[03:21] <bazhang> chris__: my bad; I forgot that Feisty uses Konqueror as the file browser--in Gutsy it's Dolphin, Konqueror is web browser.
[03:21] <paule118> </
[03:21] <chris__> Gnome prompted me for the root pwd
[03:21] <paule118> >(
[03:21] <chris__> Konqueror is both is it not?
[03:21] <paule118> >)
[03:21] <paule118> >(
[03:21] <paule118> >>((
[03:21] <paule118> >((
[03:21] <NickPresta> !flood | paule118
[03:21] <ubotu> paule118: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:21] <paule118> dddd
[03:22] <bazhang> chris__: I'm guessing yes.
[03:22] <bazhang> ouch
[03:22] <christopher_> wow lol it exists i jus typed in #kubuntu and it is here how nifty
[03:22] <NickPresta> thanks Jucato
[03:22] <Jucato> np
[03:22] <Jucato> anyone else wanna do that? :)
[03:23] <bazhang> wow that was quick. thanks Jucato.
[03:23] <chris__> is there a better file browser than Konquerer?
[03:23] <NickPresta> heh. he must have been testing emoticons or something..
[03:23] <nosrednaekim> chris__: you mean,more like Nautilus?
[03:23] <bazhang> chris__: for feisty, not so sure.
[03:23] <ardchoille> Jucato: What? Ban annoying users? I sure do ;)
[03:23] <christopher_> dolphin?
[03:23] <Jucato> emoticons on konvi? I don't think so :)
[03:23] <Jucato> chris__: "better" is relative/subjective...
[03:23] <bazhang> Jucato: hahaha
[03:23] <chris__> darned if I know... I'll assume nautilus is the gnome file browser
[03:24] <Jucato> there are alternatives if that's what you mean
[03:24] <Jucato> yes Nautilus definitely is 100% GNOME's
[03:24] <christopher_> dolphin is easier but less powerful than konquer
[03:24] <chris__> indeed, sorry, I meant, one that would be able to access my other HD
[03:24] <Jucato> (and GNOME's alone, thank goodness!)
[03:24] <NickPresta> chris__, both Dolphin and Konqueror are good file browsers. There are alternatives available: midnight commander, xfe, krusader
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> chris__: yup... if you want something more like that, use dolphin.
[03:24] <nosrednaekim> chris__: did you try going to media:/
[03:24] <chris__> ok, where is dolphin?
[03:24] <chris__> yes I did
[03:24] <bazhang> dolphin is sweet.
[03:24] <ardchoille> !info dolphin
[03:24] <christopher_> sudo apt-get intstall dolphin
[03:24] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 1251 kB, installed size 2252 kB
[03:24] <chris__> that's when I got the uid 1000 error
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> chris__: oh I hate that error.
[03:25] <Jucato> chris__: any file manager can access any of your hard drives as long as that drive is setup/mounted properly.
[03:25] <nosrednaekim> chris__: did nautilus prompt you for a password?
[03:25] <wckdkl0wn> how do i install tcl so i can compile an eggdrop?
[03:25] <Jucato> so the problem is more than the file manager...
[03:25] <Jucato> !info eggdrop
[03:25] <ubotu> eggdrop: Advanced IRC Robot. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.6.18-1 (feisty), package size 461 kB, installed size 1132 kB
[03:26] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: ^^^^ don't need to compile
[03:26] <christopher_> ok i used gnome is there any configuring beyond point and click bc wow it is really restrictive
[03:26] <ardchoille> Jucato: Are universe and multiverse enabled by default in guts sources?
[03:26] <christopher_> if i want restrictions ill use xfce
[03:26] <Jucato> ardchoille: yes.
[03:26] <ardchoille> Nice
[03:26] <chris__> Yes nautilus prompted for a password
[03:26] <nosrednaekim> chris__: you can always use nautilus in KDE
[03:26] <Jucato> ardchoille: after feisty, all official repos, except -backports, are enabled
[03:27] <wckdkl0wn> Jucato, so its in the repositories then
[03:27] <christopher_> i cant wait for dec 11 \:D/
[03:27] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: definitely
[03:27] <ardchoille> Jucato: That is a good thing
[03:27] <wckdkl0wn> well that makes this easier lol
[03:27] <wckdkl0wn> ty Jucato
[03:27] <chris__> this seems like a big bug
[03:27] <bazhang> christopher_: what happens then?
[03:27] <christopher_> kde4 release date
[03:27] <chris__> is dolphin not part of the standard KDE install?
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> chris__: no, its not.
[03:27] <nosrednaekim> not in fiesty at least
[03:27] <christopher_> it will be the fm in kde 4
[03:27] <Jucato> chris__: nope
[03:27] <bazhang> christopher_: agreed.
[03:27] <wckdkl0wn> Jucato, where would i find the directory once it has installed?
[03:28] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: that I don't know. sorry
[03:28] <christopher_> its like kde loves us and is giving us a nice christmas present :)
[03:28] <bazhang> yep.
[03:28] <nosrednaekim> chris__: but dolphin won't fix that problem
[03:29] <chris__> Yep, nautilus can see it just fine
[03:29] <chris__> so should I just use nautilus?
[03:29] <christopher_> did you see what it is going to look like i stared at it for 10 mins
[03:29] <christopher_> if kde4 doesnt get users to switch idk what will
[03:30] <nosrednaekim> chris__: yeah... thats probably easiest.
[03:30] <bazhang> christopher_: kde now is really nice; kde4 will be amazing.
[03:30] <christopher_> cource it is taking alot from open darwin
[03:31] <Jucato> O.o
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> beta2 is awful....
[03:31] <nosrednaekim> what???
[03:31] <chris__> oh weird
[03:31] <bazhang> christopher_: which took from Linux/*Nix, correct?
[03:31] <chris__> after I accessed the HD with nautilus, now there's a desktop icon
[03:31] <christopher_> actually bsd
[03:31] <chris__> and it opens Konqueror, which can access the HD now
[03:32] <Jucato> KDE (4) has nothing (directly) to do with kernels
[03:32] <christopher_> bsd is a unix varient
[03:32] <christopher_> i like linux as it has a microkernel
[03:32] <christopher_> the whole 1 kernel for everything is kind of stupid
[03:33] <christopher_> and a security risc
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> chris__: lol
[03:33] <Jucato> and offtopic, I might add
[03:33] <chris__> Ah! I found the "Storage Media" menu
[03:33] <NickPresta> I've been doing a bit of research but I'm curious which Capture Card is best supported? Any suggestions?
[03:33] <NickPresta> !hardware
[03:33] <ubotu> For lists of supported hardware on Ubuntu see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[03:33] <nosrednaekim> NickPresta: HD5500 for sure
[03:33] <choobakab> hi guys, how do i apt-get kismet, and how do i edit the file for multiserv to get it
[03:33] <choobakab> hx
[03:33] <choobakab> hx
[03:33] <chris__> I suppose I got the "System" menu confused with the "System Menu"
[03:33] <choobakab> hi guys, how do i apt-get kismet, and how do i edit the file for multiserv to get it
[03:33] <choobakab> sorry for repeat
[03:33] <chris__> My bad
[03:33] <bazhang> chris__: great!
[03:34] <choobakab> hi guys, how do i apt-get kismet, and how do i edit the file for multiserv to get it
[03:34] <NickPresta> nosrednaekim, thanks. I'm looking at it now. It says it's specifically designed for Linux. Will it work on Windows at all?
[03:34] <nosrednaekim> NickPresta: dunno, but its the absolute best for Linux
[03:35] <christopher_> 99 percent of the time it is sudo apt-get install "apt-name"
[03:35] <NickPresta> nosrednaekim, okay. Is there any specific brand to stay away from? ATi? etc?
[03:35] <Jucato> christopher_: btw, Linux kernel isn't microkernel. it's monolithic
[03:35] <christopher_> replace aptname with program
[03:35] <nosrednaekim> NickPresta: definately not ATI ;)
[03:35] <choobakab> ok christopher_ i got that, but what is the file i need to unedit so i can get it... right now it says kismet not found..
[03:35] <choobakab> what file should i edit
[03:35] <choobakab> to be able to get kismet from a repository
[03:36] <wckdkl0wn> hrmm i cant find the eggdrop file i just installed with the repositories
[03:36] <christopher_> http://www.kismetwireless.net/
[03:36] <choobakab> well what file should i edit to remove the comment to be able to apt-get kisme
[03:36] <choobakab> tt
[03:36] <choobakab> what is the file that shiould be edited
[03:36] <christopher_> jucato sorry my bad
[03:37] <christopher_> what are you trying to do
[03:37] <christopher_> ???
[03:37] <choobakab> install kismet
[03:37] <choobakab> from ap-get
[03:37] <choobakab> but i know there is a file i need to uncomment something to be able to get kismet from repository for multiserv
[03:37] <choobakab> where is the location of this file
[03:37] <christopher_> check synaptic it is there
[03:38] <jcs7778> Is there a way to run network manager on kde insted of knetworkmanager which doesn't fulfill my needs?
[03:38] <christopher_> K>Run Command>Synaptic
[03:38] <christopher_> and click over and type in the app name
[03:38] <christopher_> i find a good 80 percent of apps here
[03:39] <choobakab> WHAT IS THE FILE I NEED TO EDIT TO BE ABLE TO RECIEVE FILES FROM UNISERV
[03:39] <choobakab> sorry for caps
[03:39] <christopher_> choobakab
[03:39] <choobakab> yeah?
[03:39] <christopher_> start synaptic
[03:39] <christopher_> its there
[03:39] <christopher_> right click install
[03:40] <RobertStuffers> !op | christopher_
[03:40] <ubotu> christopher_: Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, DBO, nixternal or PriceChild!
[03:40] <RobertStuffers> !ops | christopher_
[03:40] <bazhang> choobakab: I beleive you can do it from the gui; just check repositories.
[03:40] <RobertStuffers> any one using VistaLinux ?
[03:40] <choobakab> whats synaptic?
[03:40] <Jucato> christopher_: what is the problem?
[03:40] <christopher_> he wants to install an app
[03:40] <christopher_> it exists in synaptic
[03:40] <choobakab> Jucato:  i want to APT-GET kismet, but its not finding it
[03:40] <christopher_> it is a packagage handler
[03:41] <christopher_> it is under the system menu
[03:41] <choobakab> i think there is a file i need to uncomment to be able to get kismet
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> choobakab: ah... you need to enable repositories?
[03:41] <choobakab> yes
[03:41] <nosrednaekim> !repositories | choobakab
[03:41] <ubotu> choobakab: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:41] <christopher_> K>Run Command> and type in Synaptic
[03:41] <DaSkreech> RobertStuffers: Not a good use of !ops
[03:41] <Jucato> christopher_: he would be on Kubuntu right?
[03:41] <christopher_> click reload
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> christopher_: default kubuntu install does not have synaptic
[03:42] <choobakab> the system could not run "Synaptic"
[03:42] <christopher_> then why do i have it...
[03:42] <christopher_> oops
[03:42] <Jucato> choobakab: use Adept Manager
[03:42] <christopher_> sorry
[03:42] <wckdkl0wn> ok how do i install tcl?
[03:42] <christopher_> how in the world did I get synaptic....
[03:42] <christopher_> lol
[03:42] <Jucato> wckdkl0wn: still trying to copmpile?
[03:42] <choobakab> what is the repository i need to add to be able to download linux
[03:42] <choobakab> someone paste me a link
[03:42] <Jucato> christopher_: did you install Ubuntu on top of Kubuntu?
[03:42] <christopher_> Kubuntu on ubuntu
[03:42] <Jucato> christopher_: there you have it
[03:42] <wckdkl0wn> yea Jucato i cant find that directory i am just gonna compile what i have
[03:43] <christopher_> ahh
[03:43] <christopher_> sorry
[03:43] <Jucato> choobakab: you just need universe
[03:43] <choobakab> what is the link
[03:43] <choobakab> can you paste me a link
[03:43] <choobakab> or how to enable uniserve
[03:44] <Jucato> !universe
[03:44] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:44] <christopher_> so is the kubuntu 7.10 tribe5 stable enough to use?
[03:44] <christopher_> or should i stick with 7.04 til it is done
[03:44] <pramod> are there third party sites where i can get new packages to add to the repositoy?
[03:44] <pramod> repository*
[03:45] <NickPresta> pramod, getdeb.net
[03:45] <NickPresta> i believe
[03:45] <Jucato> christopher_: 7.10 has been released
[03:45] <Jucato> er
[03:45] <Jucato> beta
[03:45] <pramod> u know the link which i can add?
[03:45] <Jucato> lol! I meant 7.10 beta
[03:45] <choobakab> CAN YOU PASTE ME THE LINK FOR THE UNISERV REPOSITORY
[03:45] <choobakab> PLEASE
[03:45] <Jucato> !caps | choobakab
[03:45] <christopher_> right is it stable enough? as stable as 7.04
[03:45] <Jucato> nope
[03:45] <choobakab> sorry caps my keyboard
[03:45] <ubotu> choobakab: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[03:46] <christopher_> k ty ill stick with 04 fer now
[03:46] <Jucato> you're comparing final release to beta :)
[03:46] <choobakab> sorry my keygBord sorry
[03:46] <choobakab> err
[03:46] <choobakab> so what is the link for uniserve?
[03:46] <Jucato> choobakab: <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:46] <christopher_> will reactos ever be done...
[03:46] <christopher_> lol
[03:47] <Jucato> ask them
[03:47] <jcs7778> choobakab:  as root user go into your /etc/apt/sources.list file and un comment the lines
[03:47] <jcs7778> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe
[03:47] <jcs7778> deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ feisty universe
[03:47] <christopher_> why didnt they use linux and all and just integrate wine and all the work they are wasting there could give Linux a real boost...
[03:47] <wers> to uncomment is to remove the # if you are not familiar
[03:48] <Jucato> christopher_: see their FAQ
[03:48] <SteamMachine> Hello Everyone!
[03:48] <choobakab> I ENAbled all the uniserve repositories from adept manger, however when i apt-get install kismet it says could not find package kismet...
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> hello SteamMachine
[03:48] <nosrednaekim> choobakab: you have to update your package lists... press the update button
[03:48] <NickPresta> choobakab, you have to `sudo apt-get update` first
[03:48] <mneptok> choobakab: sudo apt-get update
[03:49] <choobakab> k thx
[03:49] <SteamMachine> So, I was running kmplayer, when I somehow hid the menu bar. Now I'm not sure how to get it back.
[03:49] <nosrednaekim> try "ctrl+m"
[03:49] <DaSkreech> SteamMachine: Ctrl+M
[03:49] <SteamMachine> <3
[03:49] <SteamMachine> Thanks.
[03:50] <SteamMachine> Okay, seeya!
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> NP
[03:50] <DaSkreech> :-)
[03:50] <DaSkreech> Drive by helpings
[03:51] <jcs7778> Is there a way to connect to a peap network using knetworkmanager?
[03:51] <nosrednaekim> drive by questions...
[03:51] <bazhang> hahaha
[03:52] <jcs7778> It works fine under gnome networkmanager but the gnome desktop sucks i really don't want to have to switch to gnome to use my wireless connecton
[03:53] <Jucato> knetworkmanager uses the same backend application as gnome networkmanager...
[03:54] <DaSkreech> which is networkmanager :)
[03:54] <bazhang> jcs7778: are you using it on an encrypted network?
[03:55] <jcs7778> It's a university encrypted wpa network that also needs my student id and password as an extra levle of security
[03:55] <choobakab> HOW DO I KDESU a file to be able to edit it with Kate?
[03:55] <jcs7778> it works fine on networkmanager under gnome but i can't figure it out at all on the kde side
[03:56] <choobakab> HOW DO I KDESU a file to be able to edit it with Kate?
[03:56] <tekstacy> What is the command to reconfigure x?
[03:56] <Hirvinen> Alt+F2 -> kdesu kate file
[03:57] <Hirvinen> Or just kate and open it from there.
[03:57] <tekstacy> and do I use sudo with dpkg?
[03:57] <wers> !ksync gutsy
[03:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksync gutsy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:58] <wers> !ksync
[03:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ksync - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:58] <nzk_> I tried running beryl-manager, which killed my window system. I ssh'd in and kill -9'd it, and uninstalled beryl-manager, but how do I get my window system back? I know in GNOME it's 'emerald', but I don't know what it's called in KDE.
[03:58] <jcs7778> kwin --replace
[03:58] <nzk_> Alright, thanks.
[03:59] <Jucato> !xconfig | tekstacy
[03:59] <ubotu> tekstacy: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[03:59] <Hirvinen> tekstacy: With any command that needs root privileges, just precede it with sudo, or if the program is graphical, use kdesu (or gksu).
[03:59] <nzk_> Nevermind, that didn't work. It says it cannot connect to X server.
[03:59] <tekstacy> jucato, thanks
[03:59] <tekstacy> Hirvinen, thanks
[04:00] <jcs7778> oh, your in the terminal only nzk did you try startx?
[04:00] <nzk_> jcs7778: I'm ssh'd in using another machine.
[04:01] <tekstacy> Still kind of new here.
[04:01] <nzk_> I did startx to no avail.
[04:01] <nzk_> Should I just reboot?
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> nzk_: ctrl+alt+bckspce doesn't work?
[04:02] <nzk_> Forgot about that, thanks.
[04:02] <nosrednaekim> nzk_: question...., do you have dektop icons hidden?
[04:07] <jcs7778> bazhang:  It's a university encrypted wpa network that also needs my student id and password as an extra levle of security on the gnome side of the system is see an extra set of fields where i can input the password and id and ive tried it and it works but a similar thing doesn't happen on the kde side.
[04:08] <bazhang> jcs7778: well, then I would stick with the GNOME for now; you're on Feisty, correct?
[04:08] <jcs7778> yeah!
[04:09] <bazhang> jcs7778: maybe add some blue wallpaper...
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[04:09] <nosrednaekim> or maybe you could run the gnome networkmanager
[04:09] <jcs7778> could try that :-)
[04:09] <tekstacy> can I be logged in twice (local and remote)?
[04:10] <tekstacy> I'm having trouble connecting to my desktop
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> tekstacy: yeah.. you can
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> tekstacy: you can even login twice locally
[04:11] <tekstacy> cool. Thanks
[04:14] <intelikey> someone op me.
[04:15] <quixogre> that work intelikey?
[04:16] <jcs7778> so no other suggestions about the network thing? Shouldn't you guies be trying your hardes to find a solution to my problem in kde insted of telling me to make gnome look like kde?
[04:16] <intelikey> /ban *!*@dialup-4.227.114.150.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net
[04:16] <intelikey> no guess not.
[04:17] <quixogre> jcs7778: when your entering your username and PW in knetworkmanager try adding @domainname.edu or whatever their domain name is. add that to the username part. see if it works
[04:17] <intelikey> gone
[04:17] <quixogre> damn. i knew the answer to that problem too
[04:18] <quixogre> intelikey who you kickin'? and why?
[04:18] <intelikey> no one obviously.  i'm not an oper
[04:19] <quixogre> hehe lemme rephrase...who were you TRYING to ban?
[04:19] <intelikey> that's my ip.
[04:19] <bazhang> haha
[04:19] <mneptok> intelikey: need some help?
[04:19] <mneptok> :)
[04:19] <quixogre> nice...lucky for you you werent actually op then huh?
[04:21] <intelikey> mneptok well if i was banned from the channel.   i wouldn't come here.......
[04:21] <Jucato> but I don't do assisted suicide so....
[04:21] <quixogre> okies. afk again. playing command and conquer on the other PC atm
[04:21] <NickPresta> intelikey, why do you want to leave us? :)
[04:22] <quixogre> if i could find an RTS similar to command and conquer, i'd give up windows altogether
[04:22] <intelikey> just tired i guess.
[04:22] <ses59_> i am using 64bit and can not get gnash to work on one web site that uses flash player any other ideals that might get it to work?
[04:22] <Jucato> !flash64
[04:22] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[04:23] <jtt> intelikey has been banned why?
[04:23] <jtt> is jucato the current monitor?
[04:24] <mneptok> jtt: for not reading backscroll carefully
[04:24] <jtt> just got on no backscroll at this time
[04:25] <Jucato> jtt: if he were banned, you wouldn't be able to see him here or read his messages...
[04:25] <NickPresta> and the world would implode ;)
[04:25] <jtt> Jucato, ok that makes me feel better as he often appears to have a lot of answers
[04:26] <intelikey> NickPresta lol
[04:26] <quixogre> if intelikey werent here, i'd have to find someone else to bug me about switching nicks in chat
[04:26] <intelikey> jtt yeah my mama told me to try to always make a good false impression
[04:26] <intelikey> or was that first impression  ???
[04:27] <mneptok> quixogre: i'll happily oblige
[04:27] <jtt> intelikey, you ar doing a fine job :)
[04:27] <intelikey> :)
[04:27] <quixogre> quiet night...someone yank their video card out while the PC is runnin. i need soemthing to fix
[04:27] <mneptok> quixogre: when you start changing pants on a crowded street every time your cell phone rings you can start changing nicks when /away
[04:27] <quixogre> lol mneptok thanks i think
[04:27] <Jucato> aw.. moral boost day for intelikey :)
[04:28] <Jucato> er.. morale*
[04:28] <newsense07> anyone know where i can get libdvdcss2 for kubuntu ?
[04:28] <NickPresta> !dvd | newsense07
[04:28] <ubotu> newsense07: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[04:28] <intelikey> Jucato just op me....  i'll stop it.
[04:28] <quixogre> mneptok i was arrested in brest france for that EXACT thing...so does that mean im allowed to change nicks now??
[04:28] <Jucato> no way :P
[04:28] <newsense07> NickPresta: thanks
[04:29] <mneptok> quixogre: i said "crowded." Brest has a population of what ... 47?  ;)
[04:29] <jtt> is Jucato the current channel boss?
[04:29] <quixogre> mneptok: lol hey it was crowded...there was even a queue of people trying to get into a dance club
[04:30] <intelikey> jtt he's one...
[04:30] <NickPresta> Jucato, is THE boss
[04:30] <NickPresta> lol
[04:30] <tzanger> development question for the kubuntu folk... if I get a corefile for a crashed application, is it possible to download the -debug variants of the libs and apply the symbols to the stripped libs that generated the core file?
[04:30] <jtt> intelikey, ok i am not really familiar with that structure and i am learning
[04:30] <Jucato> O.o
[04:31] <jtt> how would i list all the channel bosses?
[04:31] <quixogre> its amazing. i think of myself as a well-spoken, rational human being. but i get overseas, and suddenly become a loud abusive american ass...i think its something they put in the beer
[04:31] <Jucato> tzanger: if it's a KDE app, there usually are -dbg packages for them... but I believe there's a new system now for installing debugging symbols
[04:31] <tzanger> quixogre: haha
[04:31] <intelikey> jtt what ever you do,  don't call ubotu as  !ops
[04:31] <tzanger> Jucato: ok, I know fedora puts the symbols in a separate package and leaves the stabs alone
[04:32] <Jucato> tzanger: same here
[04:32] <jtt> intelikey, ah, just what i wanted to know, i knew there was some  o p s  or  c o p s command we were not suppose to use unless there was real trouble, thanks
[04:33] <intelikey> yw
[04:33] <stdin> intelikey: you know some of us have a highlight just on the command too ;)
[04:33] <quixogre> anyone here old enough to remember BOFH?
[04:33] <jtt> i accidentally used it one night and got my had slapped, but not banned
[04:33] <XenThraL> quixogre: from what I hear of american beer, maybe the thing they put in that other beer overseas is 'alcohol', that you're not used to
[04:33] <intelikey> stdin yeah... i knew that.  :)
[04:34] <intelikey> and if it's taboo to say ops the i guess the ops will just have to ban me for saying ops  :)
[04:34] <quixogre> XenThraL: i gave up drinking american beer when i was 18...but yer right. couldnt POSSIBLY be due to overconsumption...
[04:34] <mneptok> quixogre: i'm old enough to remember Lily Tomlin's Ernestine
[04:34] <stdin> intelikey: not "ops", with the '!'
[04:35] <quixogre> lol mneptok...thats old...
[04:35] <intelikey> oh you mean !ops    no i didn't know that you had changed that.
[04:35] <apetrescu> c
[04:35] <mneptok> quixogre: i was bort during the LBJ administration. missed JFK by a few months.
[04:35] <Jucato> ok good stdin's here
[04:35] <Jucato> exit stage left
[04:35] <stdin> intelikey: helps if ubotu dies for some reason
[04:35] <intelikey> true.
[04:36] <intelikey> heh and if ubuntu dies that reason is probably why you are being called at the time...
[04:36] <stdin> Jucato: I awoke to the sound of my laptop screaming at me. re: #ubuntu
[04:36] <quixogre> hehe all this chatter of "ops" made me think about bofh...that guy was my idol in high school
[04:36] <mneptok> oh dear god.
[04:37] <intelikey> mneptok remember the betles daybue ?
[04:37] <BluesKaj> mneptok, i was 20 when JFK was assassinated , so maybe you don't feel sp old now :)
[04:37] <quixogre> everyone else was all about the "hackers" craze. not me. i wanted REAL power ;)
[04:38] <DaSkreech> quixogre: I could install Vista. Want to fix that?
[04:38] <NickPresta> DaSkreech, there is no fix, only death
[04:38] <quixogre> DaSkreech: thats like intentionally putting a virus on your PC. why would you do it?
[04:39] <BluesKaj> i was in Toronto on labour day weekend in 1964 when the Beatles did their first Canadian gigs ...
[04:39] <tzanger> HACK THE PLANET!!! HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK THE PLAAAAAAAAAAANETTTT!!!
[04:39] <tzanger> I hacked a sweet gibson the other night...
[04:39] <NickPresta> BluesKaj, Toronto is awesome >_>
[04:39] <BluesKaj> I'm not a liar intelikey , just old :)
[04:40] <tzanger> ... no, Toronto is not awesome
[04:40] <intelikey> i said which ever applied
[04:40] <tzanger> I am stuck in Markham right now
[04:40] <Jucato> tzanger: please drop the caps
[04:40] <BluesKaj> yeah NickPresta , you live there , don't you .
[04:40] <intelikey> one never knows.  this is  IRC where men are men....
[04:40] <tzanger> Jucato: but it makes the movie so much mroe intense :-)
[04:40] <NickPresta> I live in the GTA, yep. Not in downtown Toronto
[04:40] <BluesKaj> ok
[04:41] <nosrednaekim> NickPresta: Grand Touring Automobile?
[04:41] <BluesKaj> I'm near Manitoulin Island , just a small town
[04:41] <quixogre> i heard vista doesnt allow dual booting...anyone able to confirm or deny?
[04:41] <NickPresta> nosrednaekim, indeed! ;)
[04:41] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Oldest
[04:41] <BluesKaj> quixogre, no there are ways around the dual boot prob with vista
[04:41] <intelikey> DaSkreech i'm not old.
[04:42] <quixogre> BluesKaj: but vista did try to make it so you couldnt...correct?
[04:42] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj is
[04:42] <intelikey> i just got out of high school....
[04:42] <intelikey> err  ummm
[04:42] <intelikey> 30 years ago ???
[04:43] <quixogre> met my second wife online...in an AOL chat room
[04:43] <BluesKaj>  BCD (Boot Configuration Data) is for dual booting
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[04:43] <mneptok> quixogre: did she turn out to be a dudeL
[04:43] <mneptok> ?
[04:43] <quixogre> ironically, we divorced because i was always online..
[04:43] <quixogre> mneptok: god i hope not. we had sex lots
[04:43] <stdin> erm
[04:43] <stdin> !ot
[04:43] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:43] <intelikey> mneptok heh
[04:44] <nosrednaekim> !ohmy
[04:44] <ubotu> Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:44] <quixogre> sorry
[04:44] <BluesKaj> mneptok, francophone superiority complex eh ...that's a contradiction in terms :)
[04:44] <mneptok> BluesKaj: i didn't say "well-deserved" ;)
[04:45] <quixogre> i think my next wifes gonna be asian...i wanna learn chinese
[04:46] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: We can't say sex?
[04:46] <intelikey> so you want to know chinese...
[04:46] <DaSkreech> quixogre: fascinating discussion can you continue it in #kubuntu-offtopic ?
[04:46] <quixogre> DaSkreech: its a linux support channel...most of us dont know what it means
[04:46] <BluesKaj> quixogre, http://apcmag.com/5046/how_to_dual_boot_vista_with_linux_vista_installed_first
[04:46] <stdin> DaSkreech: "Please watch your language and topic, and keep this channel family friendly." < see the word "topic" in there ;)
[04:47] <DaSkreech> yeah but that was covered by !ot already
[04:47] <hydrogen> can you really have DE-centric offtopic?
[04:47] <hydrogen> sounds like a stretch to me :)
[04:48] <quixogre> hydrogen. so we dont intermingle with those pesky gnome users...
[04:48] <intelikey> gnomes are short.
[04:48] <nosrednaekim> and slave away for Santa...
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[04:48] <nosrednaekim> dummies.
[04:49] <hydrogen> quixogre: well, yes.. I can see how we'd want to preserve the blood of the master race
[04:49] <quixogre> if gdm, and kdm users conferred. someone might figure out they're extremely similar...would RUIN years of gentle rivalry
[04:49] <demon_spork> how do I get the webinterface working in ktorrent?  it says that the php executable is no in the path
[04:49] <intelikey> i'm with hydrogen lets protect the human race.
[04:50] <intelikey> no gnomes allowed.
[04:50] <DaSkreech> hydrogen: there is also ##oftopic
[04:50] <bazhang> demon_spork:  Feisty? I think you need to upgrade to the latest version (should be over 2.14).
[04:50] <hydrogen> there are a huge amout of offtopic channels
[04:50] <bazhang> and this is one of them...
[04:51] <quixogre> okies. enough room disruption for now. im heading back to Command & Conquer
[04:51] <DaSkreech> hydrogen: there needs to be multiple ones in case someone gets ontopic in there
[04:51] <intelikey> demon_spork no php executable in the path...   it is possable that php is not installed.
[04:51] <DaSkreech> nosrednaekim: Santa was programmed with too high standards .. for gnomes
[04:52] <DaSkreech> So everyone is naughty
[04:52] <demon_spork> bazhang, I installed from feisty-backports because the current version crashes frequently when DHT is turned on.  I may have solved it, I found that I may have to install php5-cli to make it work
[04:52] <DaSkreech> quixogre: There was a C&C clone on happypenguin.org
[04:53] <bazhang> demon_spork: I had that very same problem; ended up going with deluge-- a much superior torrent client.
[04:53] <BluesKaj> well sacktime for old guys ...nite all, take care :)
[04:53] <stragee> anyone figured out how to get the x-fi 64bit drivers working?
[04:54] <mneptok> bazhang: i hate to disagree, but Ktorrent is far more mature and feature complete than is Deluge
[04:54] <NickPresta> recent versions of KTorrent are awesome. And their devs are really helpful
[04:54] <bazhang> demon_spork: if you really must use ktorrent, then there is a workaround; I believe it's to enable dht, quit ktorrent, then restart it, and don't touch the dht again.
[04:55] <bazhang> Of course ktorrent is awesome; but around 2.1.. it got very iffy; just wanted to get away from Santa..oops.
[04:56] <demon_spork> bazhang, feisty-backports version works fine
[04:56] <mneptok> demon_spork: what is the goal? a torrent client you can control from anywhere?
[04:56] <demon_spork> yes
[04:56] <demon_spork> and a bandwidth scheduler is also required
[04:56] <mneptok> demon_spork: i recommend bittornado + ssh
[04:56] <mneptok> it's what we use for releases
[04:56] <intelikey>  S S H
[04:57] <intelikey>  S S H </chant>
[04:57] <ubuntu_> hi.i reinstall xp and chage where the linux hdd was conected now i; trying to get back the grub but it4s not working
[04:57] <intelikey> !grub
[04:57] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:58] <bazhang> demon_spork: try rtorrent, a walkthrough is here: kmandla.wordpress.com
[04:58] <intelikey> ubuntu_ you will also need to edit your /etc/fstab if you are not using UUID's for the root fs
[04:58] <stragee> so no one has tried the 64bit drivers for x-fi yet?
[04:58] <demon_spork> stragee, it is out!!!!
[04:58] <stragee> yeap
[04:58] <demon_spork> stragee, does that also mean there is a 32 bit driver?
[04:59] <demon_spork> when did it come out
[04:59] <stragee> not yet - the driver is available now
[04:59] <stragee> err rather the 32-bit version is not available, but the 64-bit is available now
[04:59] <demon_spork> rawr
[04:59] <intelikey> that's what i thought he said
[05:00] <stragee> i'm just not good with compiling - and apparently there is a homemade patch for it, but I can't seem to find directions that made sence
[05:00] <demon_spork> a friend of mine is stuck on windows because of that card, now I can get him to convert to Linux!!!  I will even install the driver for him
[05:01] <intelikey> x-fi ?
[05:01] <stragee> i'm running kubuntu atm and loving it ;), no sound yet though
[05:02] <stragee> x-fi is a soundcard brand created by a company called "Creative"
[05:02] <intelikey> i only turn sound on when i want to hear something.
[05:02] <stragee> =)
[05:03] <district> have a question
[05:03] <intelikey> so x-fi is next generation of  sb  ?
[05:03] <stragee> aye
[05:03] <intelikey> k
[05:04] <district> who's support guy?
[05:04] <district> here
[05:04] <NickPresta> intelikey, I believe the card is "endorsed" by Fatal1ty, a pro gamer, as it boasts being one the best quality cards
[05:04] <Jucato> !ask | district
[05:04] <ubotu> district: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:04] <stragee> i was really hoping someone here would be able to give me a step by step on setting up this x-fi driver hehe
[05:04] <intelikey> NickPresta sounds like next gen. sb   <knods>
[05:06] <intelikey> district does it matter who?    just describe the issue concisely and explain the desired end,   you'll get an answer.
[05:06] <district> Ok, what's equivalent to ctrl-alt-delete in windows for kubuntu ?
[05:06] <intelikey> ctrl-alt-esc
[05:07] <intelikey> maybe.
[05:07] <Jucato> district: try Ctrl+Esc too
[05:07] <district> ok, good
[05:07] <intelikey> yes  Ctrl+Esc too
[05:07] <Jucato> intelikey: Ctrl+Alt+Esc brings up only xkill....
[05:07] <Jucato> ctrl+alt+del in windows brings up the running processes table
[05:07] <intelikey> Jucato true.   was just thinking of killing blah not listing them...
[05:08] <Jucato> plus a few other stuff, which would be the equivalent of KSysGuard
[05:08] <district> yeah, i need that
[05:08] <mneptok> Jucato: useless if X dies. or remotely. or in another DE.
[05:08] <Jucato> you threw mneptok?!?! O.o
[05:09] <intelikey> mneptok he did specify  kde
[05:09] <Jucato> mneptok: true.. but you wouldn't press Ctrl+Alt+Del in tty and expect  a window to pop up right? :)
[05:09] <mneptok> i'd use the tool that's right for the job. that's a CLI process viewer.
[05:09] <intelikey> district don't worry,   we do this all the time....
[05:09] <Jucato> yep
[05:10] <Jucato> if you're confused... blame stdin
[05:10] <mneptok> district: are you scared of a terminal?
[05:10] <intelikey> lol
[05:10] <district> so what would bring process viewer and halt?
[05:10] <intelikey> and call the !ops about it   lol
[05:10] <stdin> please /msg Jucato  for all your needs :)
[05:10] <mneptok> district: also, if you're confused, ask stdin to explain everything.
[05:10] <mneptok> district: are you scared of a terminal?
[05:10] <intelikey> district Ctrl+Esc
[05:11] <district> what u mean?
[05:11] <Jucato> mneptok: aw you're confusing him now :P
[05:11] <district> oh it works
[05:12] <intelikey> see
[05:12] <district> cool
[05:12] <intelikey> he told you...
[05:12] <intelikey> you thought i was going to take credit for that Jucato ?
[05:12] <district> thanks
[05:12] <Jucato> intelikey: fine by me actually
[05:12] <NickPresta> goodnight #kubuntu
[05:12] <Jucato> by head's vista enough as it is :)
[05:13] <intelikey> lol
[05:13] <intelikey> NickPresta
[05:13] <DaSkreech> Night
[05:14] <mneptok> district: are       you          scared         of           a           terminal?
[05:14] <intelikey> district if Jucato wont say it i will,  you're welcome
[05:14] <ubuntu_> Jucato: its me
[05:14] <Jucato> it's who?
[05:14] <ubuntu_> Jucato: pikachu ><
[05:14] <Jucato> O.o
[05:15] <ubuntu_> loool
[05:15] <RobertStuffers> kubuntu is dah BomB
[05:15] <intelikey> have you walked your pikachu today ?
[05:15] <district> sorry don't know much
[05:15] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: I choose you!
[05:15] <ubuntu_> o.O
[05:16] <usser> damn its like all offtopic on every ubuntu channel ))
[05:16] <intelikey> ubuntu_ are you still haveing issues with grub ?
[05:16] <ubuntu_> ok fun over i trying to recover my grub here
[05:16] <DaSkreech> usser: Hmm?
[05:16] <ubuntu_> yes
[05:16] <DaSkreech> !grub | ubuntu_
[05:16] <ubotu> ubuntu_: grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[05:16] <intelikey> usser this is offnight, didn't you get the memo ?
[05:16] <ubuntu_> i got the page allredy
[05:16] <usser> intelikey: oh really, dang it, working overtime again
[05:17] <usser> mm
[05:17] <usser> offnight is offtopic night or night off?
[05:17] <district> weird names huh?
[05:17] <Jucato> it ends now
[05:18] <DaSkreech> hi Hobbsee
[05:18] <Hobbsee> hi DaSkreech
[05:18] <intelikey> ubuntu_  you can see a list of partitions with either of two commands     sudo fdisk -l      or   cat /proc/partitions     you will have to install grub for the new address.
[05:18] <ubuntu_> intelikey:  DaSkreech this is wa i get wen i try to recover the grub http://pastebin.com/m54278693
[05:19] <Hobbsee> thanks mneptok
[05:19] <ubuntu_> first my xp wasnt in master had to chainge that
[05:19] <DaSkreech> ubuntu_: What's the problem with that problem?
[05:20] <mneptok> Hobbsee: for you? the moon. or maybe a glow-in-the-dark moon sticker.
[05:20] <district> another Q:  i deleted adept manger and now i can't get it to show up in xmenu
[05:20] <Hobbsee> mneptok: :)
[05:20] <Jucato> district: how did you delete it exactly?
[05:21] <ubuntu_> intelikey: why will i use sudo fdisk -l zhen i can just go in sys settings... too see the;
[05:21] <ubuntu_> m
[05:21] <district> i'm not sure
[05:21] <elecninja> Did you detete the shortcut?
[05:21] <district> i tried to reinstall it but won't show it in xmenu
[05:21] <bazhang> district: you can always use the terminal.
[05:21] <intelikey> ubuntu_ no reason.   i'm just being dumb i guess
[05:21] <ElecNinja> Maybe run "adept_installer" in the command line to see what happens
[05:22] <Jucato> district: press Alt+F2, and type in "adept_manager" or "adept_installer"
[05:22] <Jucato> if they run, it means the program is still there, just not in your K Menu
[05:22] <district> hold it - i 'll try and see
[05:23] <ubuntu_> Jucato: me?
[05:23] <Jucato> no, district
[05:23] <ubuntu_> Jucato: pikachu ><
[05:23] <intelikey> ubuntu_ but suffer me a bit more dumbness,   mount your root file system on /target and do   sudo grub-install --root /target hda
[05:24] <ubuntu_> intelikey: lol
[05:24] <district> ah, it works again
[05:24] <district> cool
[05:24] <bazhang> intelikey: what would the command be for an external sata drive?
[05:24] <district> how did that happen
[05:24] <intelikey> bazhang to do what with it ?
[05:25] <DaSkreech> !br
[05:25] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[05:25] <mneptok> intelikey: make it higher capacity
[05:25] <bazhang> to add an external linux install to grub
[05:25] <mneptok> intelikey: like, what's the command to make my 250GB PATA internal drive a 750GB eSATA drive with enclosure?
[05:25] <drarem> what is this gconf-editor, it reminds me of the registry editor in windoze due to its database-ic nature
[05:26] <intelikey> bazhang if grub is already installed you just edit your menu.lst   normally found in /boot/grub    and use the UUID of the filesystem
[05:26] <bazhang> intelikey: sorry, to add an external install of Linux on a SATA drive to the existing GRUB menu. Thanks!
[05:26] <district> so then how do one pt adept manger into xmenu?
[05:26] <Jucato> drarem: that's the only thing it has in common with registry editor. the looks and way you use it
[05:26] <DaSkreech> drarem: Yeah kinda. but that's a gnome question
[05:27] <Jucato> drarem: gconf-editor is a GNOME utility to handle GNOME config files. might want to ask in #ubuntu for more info
[05:27] <mneptok> drarem: i thought the same thing when i saw the space shuttle. i was like, "DAMN! WHEELS! just like my chariot!"
[05:27] <intelikey> bazhang you "might" need to add an entry in /boot/grub/device.map  too
[05:27] <drarem> ok thanks
[05:27] <drarem> yea, only you need team of pegasus to pull the chariot into space
[05:28] <intelikey> when it rains it pours
[05:28] <mneptok> drarem: Microsoft promises that in an upcoming service pack
[05:28] <Jucato> ...
[05:28] <district> so then how do one put adept manger into xmenu?
[05:28] <RobertStuffers> !offtopic
[05:28] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:28] <intelikey> when it reigns we poors
[05:29] <Jucato> district: right-click on the K Menu icon and select Menu Editor
[05:29] <ubuntu_> intelikey: which i had to mount to /target the xp or linux?
[05:29] <RobertStuffers> anyone plays UrT on kubuntu ?
[05:29] <intelikey> the linux
[05:29] <district> got it, then what?
[05:30] <RobertStuffers> linux says that kde is the real deal for a dev to work ;D
[05:30] <intelikey> i guess everyone will streighten up now that the doctor is back....
[05:31] <Jucato> offtopic RobertStuffers
[05:31] <mneptok> exclamationpoint Jucato
[05:31] <ubuntu_> intelikey: did thqt it give ;e so;e funny thing qbout help
[05:31] <Jucato> mneptok: I'm giving the bot a break... just so as not to state something he himself triggered earlier :)
[05:32] <Jucato> and btw, exclamationpointandpipe :)
[05:32] <RobertStuffers> Jucato: your mind is offtopic
[05:32] <stragee> anyone here familiar with compiling drivers?
[05:32] <intelikey> ubuntu_ man grub-install   and check the switch    i know there is a single letter switch  just don't recall off hand.
[05:32] <Jucato> RobertStuffers: it isn't. but you are. so please stop it or leave. thank you
[05:32] <RobertStuffers> isnt it the same as other software ?
[05:32] <intelikey> ubuntu_ i.e.  --root   may not be correct.
[05:32] <bazhang> intelikey: thanks!
[05:32] <mneptok> RobertStuffers: do you see clouds on the horizon?
[05:32] <Hobbsee> RobertStuffers: please stop trolling.  now.
[05:33] <bazhang> good night all! tha nks for the help!
[05:33] <RobertStuffers> Jucato: ill leave just after your depart
[05:33] <stragee> i'm really new at compiling and could use some help ;)
[05:33] <Jucato> sorry. that won't happen at all
[05:33] <stdin> Jucato is *forever*
[05:33] <Jucato> hehe
[05:33] <intelikey> long libe Jucato
[05:33] <intelikey> v
[05:34] <RobertStuffers> long live ME
[05:34] <Jucato> RobertStuffers: please follow the IRC guidelines and behave. final warning
[05:34] <Hobbsee> [13:32]  <mneptok> chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga chugga
[05:34] <mneptok> :)
[05:35] <RobertStuffers> Jucato: is your boss ?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> no.  technically, i'm probably his.
[05:35] <stdin> all your bases are belong to Jucato
[05:35] <Jucato> :)
[05:35] <intelikey> :)
[05:35] <drarem> that is so early 2000's
  and counting
[05:35] <drarem> pre-blog era
[05:35] <Jucato> intelikey: please ignore what's happening and continue helping ubuntu_ :)
[05:36] <stdin> (except for base 2, that's intelikey's)
[05:36] <RobertStuffers> drarem: its not 2000 its y2k
[05:36] <Jucato> (underscore 2)
[05:36] <Hobbsee> !offtopic | RobertStuffers
[05:36] <ubotu> RobertStuffers: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[05:36] <ubuntu_> im lost
[05:36] <Jucato> ok, just to be fair, no more offtopic
[05:36] <intelikey> Jucato he didn't say anything else...    and i don't have grub on this box  so i can't check the man page for him.
[05:36] <stragee> can anyone officially support me with compiling a driver? hehe
[05:36] <Jucato> me wonders if stdin could assist.. wrist starting to hurt again..
[05:37] <ubuntu_> stdin: pikachu ><
[05:37] <Hobbsee> bye then :D
[05:37] <Jucato> darn I didn't get to do it :P
[05:37] <drarem> this gconf-editor prevented me from seeing my trashcan on my desktop, had to change the setting to see and use it - while under KDE
[05:37] <mneptok> and here's the rain. ;)
[05:37] <stdin> afaik "sudo grub-install --root-directory=/target/boot " should do it
[05:37] <Jucato> er..rain or train... O.o
[05:38] <Jucato> drarem: why would it? they don't have the same desktop rules/settings
[05:38] <intelikey> ubuntu_ there is another way.    you can run a grub shell and set the  root <your linux root>    install (hd0)
[05:38] <mneptok> Jucato: the rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain trains
[05:38] <Jucato> heheh :)
[05:38] <Hobbsee> mneptok: but there was no rain when we were there!
[05:38] <mneptok> Hobbsee: you make the sky stop crying.
[05:38] <ubuntu_> i give up ill just reinstall linux
[05:38] <drarem> don't know, maybe i'm not running pure kde
[05:38] <Jucato> yikes
[05:38] <ubuntu_> stdin: xp
[05:38] <intelikey> some one please give me opps !
[05:39] <mneptok> Hobbsee: which nicely offsets your ability to make the earth fart
[05:39] <ubuntu_> ???
[05:39] <drarem> they have merged and are living in a symbiotic stage
[05:39] <Jucato> drarem: maybe you're running KDE apps on GNOME... or maybe GNOME is your primary  running desktop
[05:39] <stdin> ubuntu_: I don't dual-boot with windows, so I'm not sure about that
[05:39] <ubuntu_> lol ops fight
[05:39] <Hobbsee> nah..
[05:40] <drarem> something must not be right then, I tried other desktops, went back to kde
[05:40] <ubuntu_> o.O
[05:41] <rickey> #kubuntu
[05:42] <ubuntu_> sorry
[05:42] <Jucato> O.o
[05:42] <intelikey> ubuntu_ ok,  i installed grub just to check the man page for you.     it's not  --root   it is   --root-directory   use that   it will work
[05:42] <ubuntu_> login out to reinstall linux
[05:43] <rickey> hello everyone
[05:43] <Jucato> hello
[05:43] <intelikey> surely you could have ran   man grub-install   and seen that....
[05:43] <rickey> how are you doing tonigth
[05:44] <intelikey> rickey don't ask.   it wont hurt.
[05:44] <rickey> that bad
[05:44] <rickey>  hummmmm ive have a good day
[05:45] <intelikey> me too, but i came in here and got over it real quick.
[05:45] <rickey> hey everyday is a good day as long as kubuntu kick,s butt
[05:45] <ubuntu_> intelikey: it still give me a unny help thing
[05:46] <intelikey> ubuntu_  ls -ld /target/boot    for me please
[05:46] <rickey> anyday without bill gates , is a good day
[05:47] <drarem> wonder what would have happened if nerdy bill gates would have been beaten up that day and never developed windows.. would it be an apple world?
[05:47] <ubuntu_> intelikey: command not found
[05:47] <Dr_willis> apple is its own worst enemy.. we would be using Apple4's by now. :)
[05:47] <drarem> apple and amiga
[05:47] <intelikey> intelikey shouldn't be a command.
[05:47] <Dr_willis> Amiga WAS its own worst enemy.. such potential...
[05:47] <intelikey> ubuntu_  that's lower case   L S
[05:48] <rickey> nope linux would have came to the top of the heap  long time ago
[05:48] <ubuntu_> intelikey: u qre giving me some crazy command
[05:48] <intelikey> ok i'll quit.
[05:48] <ubuntu_> lol
[05:48] <intelikey> no big deal.   let someone else take over.
[05:49] <ubuntu_> im just going to reinstal no biggee
[05:49] <district_> anyone here, i need more help with the menu editor
[05:49] <pillowpants> whats your favorite test based browser
[05:49] <pillowpants> text*
[05:49] <intelikey> what ever works for you ubuntu_
[05:49] <rickey> i am going dsl in a few day
[05:49] <rickey> ife is good
[05:49] <Jucato> district_: what seems to be the problem?
[05:49] <rickey> life is good
[05:50] <intelikey> pillowpants for file  or web ?
[05:50] <district_> hey jucato i'm new to this
[05:50] <pillowpants> www
[05:50] <ubuntu_> intelikey: befor i reinstaal how do i get to see my desktop?
[05:50] <intelikey> elinks
[05:50] <hydrogen> mine is dog
[05:50] <pillowpants> internet browser i should have mentioned
[05:50] <ubuntu_> intelikey: it have a lock on it
[05:50] <intelikey> ubuntu_ idk.
[05:50] <district_> i tried what you said
[05:50] <Jucato> district_: ok let's check first. when you open the K Menu,do you see an Add/Remove Programs there?
[05:50] <intelikey> ubuntu_ maybe someone else can help.
[05:50] <district_> but it crashed
[05:50] <Jucato> district_: let's check first what you're missing
[05:51] <hydrogen> dog is easily the best text based browser
[05:51] <district_> i'm missing adept manager
[05:51] <Jucato> district_: click on the K Menu  System
[05:51] <intelikey> pillowpants elinks    incase you missed it.
[05:51] <ubuntu_> Jucato: my file have a lock on it how do i get in to see wq is there
[05:51] <ubuntu_> ?
[05:51] <Jucato> district_: adept Manager isn't there?
[05:51] <district_> i did
[05:51] <pillowpants> intelikey : ill check it
[05:51] <district_> no not there
[05:51] <pillowpants> i was using lynx, but it seemed sort of limiting
[05:52] <intelikey> pillowpants links2 can do text or pickies  with the  -g switch.
[05:52] <district_> so i right clik and
[05:52] <district_> in menu editor
[05:52] <Jucato> district_: ok so let's do it this way. right-click on the K Menu, select Menu Editor
[05:52] <intelikey> pillowpants but lacks ssl support  and elinks does ssl
[05:52] <district_> i go into system
[05:53] <district_> in menu editor
[05:53] <Jucato> district_: then go select the System submenu and click on the New icon (or File -> New Item)
[05:53] <district_> ok
[05:53] <intelikey> pillowpants with svgalibs you can view pictures even vidios with vlc   in the console   no X needed
[05:54] <Jucato> district_: you should now have a blank entry there. put in these information
[05:54] <pillowpants> intelikey : whoa, i didnt know that
[05:54] <intelikey> now you do.
[05:54] <pillowpants> videos in the console is not something i thought was possible
[05:54] <Jucato> district_: Name: Adept Manager. Description: Manage Packages. Command: adept_manager.
[05:54] <district_> do i type adept manager there?
[05:54] <Jucato> district_: then enable these 2 options: [ ]  Enable launch feedback and [ ]  Run as a different user
[05:55] <intelikey> pillowpants i hardly ever start X   it's not even installed on this box.
[05:55] <Jucato> district_: got that?
[05:56] <district_> why do i check run as different user?
[05:56] <district_> yes
[05:56] <Jucato> district_: so that it will run it as admin
[05:56] <pillowpants> intelikey : so you just work from console?
[05:56] <Jucato> district_: "run as a different user" without a given user name will run the app as admin/root
[05:56] <district_> it does?
[05:56] <pillowpants> intelikey : what sort of things do you use your comp for? just programming?
[05:57] <Jucato> district_: you can click on the icon box and search for the adept manager icon
[05:57] <district_> oh i see
[05:57] <Jucato> district_: then save it. and you're good to go
[05:57] <Jucato> district_: remember the command should be "adept_manager" (w/ underscore)
[05:57] <district_> oh allright,  thanks
[05:58] <intelikey> pillowpants yeah,    and you will be asking, so i'll just answer.    you need svgalibs  and  vlc-plugin-svgalib   have to configure svgalibs in /etc/vga/*    then just   /usr/bin/vlc.real -V svgalib <vidio_file_name>
[05:58] <district_> i'll see if it works, kind of complicated
[05:58] <intelikey> you get one console with full screen vidio and the others are normal.
[06:00] <intelikey> pillowpants i don't "program"  that's the kind of thing Jucato does,  i just write scripts,  manipulate files, gather info, and such.
[06:00] <district_> anyway, thanks, it seems to work jucato, thanks
[06:01] <intelikey> and annoy people in #kubuntu with offtopic chatter
[06:01] <Jucato> s/manipulate files/manipulate people/
[06:01] <hydrogen> Jucato: die!
[06:01] <hydrogen> i was going to make a much more witty comment
[06:01] <intelikey> only on tuesdays
[06:01] <hydrogen> and you stole it
[06:01] <Jucato> lol
[06:01] <intelikey> :0
[06:01] <hydrogen> that wasn't witty at all
[06:01] <Jucato> roflmao
[06:01] <Jucato> that's what you get for being late :)
[06:02] <hydrogen> I was right in the middle of writing "hmm.. when did we start calling kubuntu users files?"
[06:02] <hydrogen> and you had to make that comment
[06:02] <Jucato> nah that's not witty... too intellectual :P
[06:02] <intelikey> i told you i started "only on tuesdays"
[06:02] <Jucato> requires much more thinking, let alone parsing :)
[06:02] <stdin> remember to linux/intelikey, everything is a file (or inode)
[06:02] <hydrogen> you're cut off then intelikey!
[06:03] <hydrogen> its wednesday
[06:03] <hydrogen> now
[06:03] <intelikey> stdin glad you corrected that,     it's   inode.
[06:03] <Jucato> :)
[06:03] <stdin> I knew you'd correct me, so I pre-empted it
[06:04] <intelikey> hydrogen been cut off for 4 hours now.
[06:04] <intelikey> :)
[06:04] <district_> hey, alright so far, got anoher Q
[06:04] <hydrogen> nope
[06:04] <hydrogen> ones your limit
[06:04] <hydrogen> come back tommorow
[06:04] <hydrogen> what do you think this is, a free for all?
[06:05] <district_> just testing, no
[06:06] <district_> ok, i like to know
[06:06] <intelikey> i mentioned M$ writing inodes all over the fs   in an explanation for why one should defrag before resizing M$ file systems    in #ubuntu the other day   and some professional   jumped all over me for it....     heh. such is the life of a sailor.
[06:07] <district_> how do i update
[06:07] <intelikey> seems that using   M$   and   inodes    was totally out of line,
   sorry.
[06:07] <district_> from version 7.04 to version 7.10 - i have the cd gutsy gibbon
[06:07] <Jucato> district_: you want to upgrade to a beta release already?
[06:08] <intelikey> district_ do you have  a seperate fs for your home ?
[06:08] <district_> do i type update-something?
[06:08] <Jucato> district_: which kind of CD did you get?
[06:08] <district_> yes i have the update
[06:09] <district_> beta release
[06:09] <district_> from softpedia.com
[06:09] <hero> can konqueror use toolbars that will work in firefox?
[06:09] <Jucato> district_: which kind. Live CD or Alternate Install CD?
[06:09] <hero> stumbleupon, for instance
[06:09] <district_> i downloaded iso file and burned it into a cd
[06:09] <intelikey> district_ is your home on a seperate file system ?   if it is, just install.
[06:10] <Doctor_Nick> two more weeks until gutsy
[06:10] <district_> but does that erase all the old files?
[06:11] <intelikey> yep   all that's not in /home    and there too if you tell it to.
[06:11] <district_> have to go thru all that partitions and all
[06:11] <tetreaul> Probably a dumb question for you guys... I can see my windows partition and I can read files from it but I can't write to it. Is this just a permissions thing? ie chmod will work?
[06:11] <stdin> district_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f52
[06:12] <Jucato> district_: if what you got is a Live CD, you won't be able to use that to upgrade. you can only use that for new installations
[06:12] <stdin> !ntfs-3g | tetreaul
[06:12] <ubotu> tetreaul: ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[06:13] <intelikey> tetreaul chmod will NOT work.   permissions are a psyudo bit, i.e. not existing on the M$ fs       use ntfs-3g  and a mask    i.e.  dmask=000,fmask=111    or  umask=000
[06:13] <tetreaul> hmm... I assumed that was automatically installed... what is letting me read from my windows partition right now?
[06:13] <district_> so then next logical Q IS HOW DO I UPGRADE TO VERSION &>!)?
[06:13] <tetreaul> thanks all
[06:13] <district_> sorry
[06:13] <tetreaul> I'll work with ntfs-3g
[06:13] <district_> caps on
[06:13] <stdin> district_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f52 < read it this time
[06:13] <district_> it sounded like  was yelling huh?
[06:13] <district_> sorry
[06:14] <intelikey> tetreaul you'll still nead a mask,    whether in the fstab  or on the command line when you mount it.
[06:14] <district_> damn those caps
[06:14] <mmmiiikkkeee> installing compiz-kde gives me an error since compiz-core is a newer version then it wants... any one have any luck installing compiz in kde?
[06:14] <mmmiiikkkeee> in gusty
[06:15] <usser> mmmiiikkkeee: well yea
[06:15] <hero> so... no stumbleupon toolbar in konqueror then?
[06:15] <district_> so then how do i upgrade to version 7.10?
[06:15] <intelikey> district_ don't try to cover up,   we know that  "&>!)"  was not caps-lock
[06:15] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: works here
[06:15] <usser> mmmiiikkkeee: do apt-get update there was update of compiz packages today
[06:15] <stdin> district_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GutsyUpgrades#head-3cb12417f0af7f24d4a34f2ae4040bf791c42f52 < last time I'm going to tell you
[06:16] <district_> i had accidently turnon caps by mistake
[06:16] <andycr> caps off 1234 CAPS ON 1234
[06:16] <district_> while i was typing
[06:16] <intelikey> and held it down  it seems
[06:16] <stdin> *read* the link
[06:16] <ubuntu_> wii
[06:17] <mmmiiikkkeee> i did: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade && sudo apt-get install compiz compizconfig-settings-manager compiz-kde
[06:17] <district_> i'm really sorry
[06:17] <intelikey> the shouting i can tolerate,  the lying to cover it up   i can't.
[06:18] <district_> sorry i don't know why that happened
[06:18] <pillowpants> intelikey : thats cool, thanks
[06:18] <intelikey> accepted.
[06:18] <intelikey> pillowpants welcome.
[06:18] <ubuntu_> does gusty look like feisty?or it look like ubuntu?
[06:18] <flaccid> neither ubuntu_
[06:18] <ubuntu_> 7.04
[06:18] <district_> honest mistake
[06:19] <ubuntu_> flaccid: so if i install gusty i loose feisty?
[06:19] <Creationist> Can someone please tell me how to customize additional panels?  Seems there's no way to adjust the size and add certain applets to anything but the Main Panel...
[06:19] <flaccid> ubuntu, if you install over it, yes
[06:19] <flaccid> or if you upgrade it
[06:20] <Creationist> ubuntu_: You can install it onto a different partition and you won't lose Feisty.
[06:20] <district_> thanks for your help jucato, really, thanks
[06:20] <stdin> Creationist: there is a drop down list to choose which panel to configure in the settings
[06:20] <ubuntu_> flaccid: is it like moving from windows 2000 to xp?
[06:20] <flaccid> most people will want gutsy as its in beta/dev
[06:20] <flaccid> *not*
[06:20] <district_> i appreciate it
[06:20] <flaccid> ubuntu, not really.
[06:21] <Creationist> stdin: Yeah, I saw that.... problem is, it only lists "Main Panel" and "External Taskbar" ... even though I didn't ADD an external taskbar, but just another "panel"
[06:21] <stdin> unless you know how to fix a broken system, do *not* install gutsy
[06:21] <intelikey> Creationist you right click on them   the settings have a drop down menu on one tab that picks which pannel you are working on....   but that may have changed over the last two releases, so don't listen to me.
[06:21] <usser> mmmiiikkkeee: do dpkg -l compiz which version is it?
[06:21] <flaccid> only people that want to put up with bugs and help fixing them/test should use gutsy at this stage
[06:21] <Creationist> intelikey: Yeah... see my message to stdin
[06:21] <ubuntu_> flaccid: if i upgrade to gusty will i loose all my data like music etc?
[06:21] <intelikey> sorry. Creationist   was typing while you were.
[06:21] <flaccid> ubuntu_ no
[06:21] <mmmiiikkkeee> 1:0.6.0+git200
[06:22] <ubuntu_> flaccid: does it look slick like feisty?
[06:22] <ubuntu_> 7.04
[06:22] <Creationist> ubuntu_: It looks better, I think ;)
[06:22] <flaccid> yeah its pretty click i guess
[06:22] <flaccid> err slick
[06:22] <ubuntu_> u tink?
[06:22] <intelikey> and yes i did see it.   but was already that the  [enter]  key and didn't get to read it before i posted.
[06:22] <mmmiiikkkeee> here is the error i get http://pastebin.com/m19780c70
[06:22] <Creationist> intelikey: Ah... I've done that.
[06:22] <flaccid> they both use kde, they just mod the artwork for each new release
[06:23] <stdin> Creationist: hmm, not sure then. it may be a bug that it can't be configured, take a look on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu and see if there's a bug report for it
[06:23] <ubuntu_> did anyone try out gusty?
[06:23] <flaccid> im on gutsy atm
[06:23] <usser> mmmiiikkkeee: nope seems fine, hang on i'lll get my compiz-kde
[06:23] <ubuntu_> atm?
[06:23] <flaccid> well actually im on windows at the moment, but gutsy on other notebook
[06:23] <Creationist> stdin: Well, I'm running Gutsy right now, but I remember having the same problem with Edgy and Feisty.  Finally went to gnome for Feisty.
[06:23] <ubuntu_> do gusty have a live cd?
[06:24] <ubuntu_> for me to see wa it look like
[06:24] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: you on gutsy?
[06:24] <mmmiiikkkeee> yes
[06:24] <intelikey> Creationist you can also ask in the support channel    #ubuntu+1   :)
[06:24] <stdin> Creationist: I can't find it in gutsy either
[06:24] <Creationist> ubuntu_: I think you worry more on how it WORKS than how it LOOKS ;)
[06:24] <usser> mmmiiikkkeee: oh wait do u use x64 distribution?
[06:24] <mmmiiikkkeee> no
[06:24] <ubuntu_> Creationist: it's both
[06:25] <flaccid> it comes in live cd
[06:25] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: also, remove the 3rd party PPA repo, compiz is in the main archive
[06:25] <ubuntu_> looks and how it works
[06:25] <usser> mmmiiikkkeee: damn
[06:25] <ubuntu_> does gusty come with konqueror?
[06:25] <flaccid> sure does ubuntu_
[06:25] <Creationist> ubuntu_: It shouldn't be.  You can ALWAYS make it look exactly how you want it to.  You can't always make it work properly... especially since it is far from stable at the moment.
[06:25] <pillowpants> oh, is gutsy officially "out"?
[06:25] <flaccid> well i think it does iirc. that and dolphin
[06:25] <Creationist> pillowpants: Nope.
[06:25] <pillowpants> Creationist : oh
[06:26] <usser> mmmiiikkkeee: yea that might be your problem
[06:26] <ubuntu_> Creationist: didnt they say it was coming out oct?
[06:26] <stdin> ubuntu_: it's out in 15 days
[06:26] <Creationist> ubuntu_: Yes, it is... but there's a lot of October left ;)
[06:26] <usser> ubuntu_: oct 18th official release date
[06:26] <flaccid> ubuntu_: join #ubuntu+1
[06:26] <pillowpants> how do you exit X server to console?
[06:26] <mmmiiikkkeee> i get it
[06:26] <pillowpants> kubuntu seems to come standard with no boot to console
[06:26] <pillowpants> it just boots straight to x login
[06:27] <ubuntu_> Creationist: funny
[06:27] <stdin> pillowpants: Ctrl-Alt-F1
[06:27] <flaccid> pillowpants, kill kdm. but you might just wanna do a tty - press ctrl + alt + f2
[06:27] <mmmiiikkkeee> yea i had compiz installed a while ago... when you had to use a 3rd party repo
[06:27] <quixogre> pillow, if you're using kde, can choose console login at the boot screen
[06:27] <pillowpants> flaccid : alright
[06:27] <flaccid> pillowpants, thats correct, but you have quite a few ttys..
[06:27] <Creationist> pillowpants: You can choose to login through a console by selecting that option from the Login screen.
[06:27] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: they are conflicting, you should only need the official repos for compiz
[06:27] <pillowpants> Creationist, flaccid : ill do that
[06:27] <ubuntu_> stdin: the 15?will it be stable?when i upgrade to it will it just be like a nother kernel?
[06:27] <pillowpants> is there anyone else here who just uses console?
[06:28] <pillowpants> and doesnt use X for their daily comp uses?
[06:28] <deeder> haha nope
[06:28] <Creationist> pillowpants: Not sure why anyone would use Ubuntu for that...
[06:28] <Daisuke_Laptop> yes
[06:28] <stdin> ubuntu_: in 15 days it will be released as stable. then you can upgrade
[06:28] <Creationist> usser: Yeah, I lost the ability to run Compiz when I installed Gutsy :(
[06:28] <pillowpants> stdin: thats when gutsy will be a "stable release"?
[06:29] <stdin> pillowpants: yeah
[06:29] <Creationist> pillowpants: Well, that's the hope ;)
[06:29] <pillowpants> stdin : cool
[06:29] <usser> Creationist: how come what happened?
[06:29] <intelikey> pillowpants if it ever is....  :)
[06:29] <ubuntu_> stdin: will it have the live cd to see wa it look like?and will u upgrade to?will kubuntu chat go dead?
[06:29] <ubuntu_> o.O
[06:29] <stdin> pillowpants: you want a console user, intelikey seems to fit that description
[06:29] <Creationist> usser: The nVidia drivers in Gutsy don't work right for me... either that or Compiz just doesn't like my computer anymore.  Of course, I used to run Gnome...
[06:30] <pillowpants> stdin : yeah, i was amazed at it a second ago
[06:30] <pillowpants> i was just asking if anyone else here does it
[06:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> intelikey: i already fingered you as captain console before you had the nick collision :P
[06:30] <stdin> ubuntu_: 1) yes, 2) don't need to, I already have, 3) no, why would it?
[06:30] <pillowpants> i was messing with setting up a file server a few days ago and couldnt get x to load, so i just managed everything from console
[06:30] <pillowpants> the first time ive really done that
[06:30] <intelikey_hiden> <whistles inosently>
[06:30] <usser> Creationist: hm, in gutsy it really should be a matter of enabling restricted drivers
[06:30] <usser> Creationist: what video card u have?
[06:30] <Creationist> usser: Yeah, that's what I did...
[06:30] <Daisuke_Laptop> ubuntu_: 3) it will probably jump to 500 people or so for at least a few days, and expect the repos to be slow
[06:31] <usser> Creationist: and what happened?
[06:31] <Creationist> usser: It's a Geforce 6200
[06:31] <Creationist> usser: Well, using the restricted drivers will either distort my resolution or just not let me change resolutions at all.
[06:31] <Creationist> usser: Interestingly enough, I can run Unreal Tournament 2004 without a problem (although with poorer performance than I got with Feisty)
[06:32] <usser> Creationist: whats the desired resolution? did u try editing xorg.conf?
[06:32] <ubuntu_> Daisuke_Laptop: slow?can i choose to upgrade with symnaptic?
[06:32] <usser> ubuntu_: i believe thats one of the options yes
[06:32] <ubuntu_> but i perfer adept
[06:32] <stdin> ubuntu_: when it's releases there will be instructions to upgrade with adept
[06:32] <Creationist> usser: I haven't changed the xorg.conf because it's all correct from what I can tell.  My desired/native resolution for my monitor is 1400x1050
[06:33] <usser> Creationist: hm, can u pastebin it just for the heck of it.
[06:33] <hydrogen> most instructions will probably tell you to just install update-manager
[06:33] <hydrogen> even though its a gnome program only in feisty
[06:33] <stdin> hydrogen: no, adept will do it now (finally)
[06:33] <ubuntu_> stdin: instructions?cant i just do sudo apt-get upg* or just look for the option that adepts sows when it have a new kernel?
[06:34] <hydrogen> stdin: I've yet to see adept do anything properly... I'm not going to trust it :)
[06:34] <Creationist> usser: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/39425/
[06:34] <stdin> ubuntu_: it's not a normal upgrade
[06:34] <intelikey_hiden> dist-upgrade   but you have to change the sources.list
[06:34] <intelikey_hiden> this nick's just too long.
[06:35] <_2> now
[06:35] <stdin> that's not the recommended way any more
[06:35] <flaccid> pillowpants, keep in mind kubuntu is a deskop operating system
[06:36] <_2> stdin are you saying that non-gui users will have to install kde and use adpet to do it the "recommended" way ?
[06:36] <_2> adpet  heh
[06:36] <Creationist> usser: Now, when I use System Settings to try and change the resolution, it gives me all those options.  But when I select a different resolution and click "Apply," it doesn't change the resolution, but still says it's "Testing new settings..."
[06:37] <stdin> _2: no, non-gui uses can do "sudo do-release-upgrade" :)
[06:37] <_2> a perl script no doubt
[06:37] <stdin> (from the update-manager-core package)
[06:37] <_2> or is it python ?
[06:37] <stdin> probably python knowing ubuntu :p
[06:37] <hydrogen> no no!
[06:37] <hydrogen> its python
[06:38] <hydrogen> it should be ruby
[06:38] <stdin> everything is python in ubuntu
[06:38] <hydrogen> but not everyone is perfect
[06:38] <hydrogen> regrettably
[06:39] <hydrogen> well then
[06:39] <usser> Creationist: well it really looks allright apart from that device #, screen #, monitor # sections at the bottom u can safely delete those
[06:39] <hydrogen> I guess you will have to get old school creative in order to upgrade
[06:39] <hydrogen> poor you!
[06:39] <stdin> _2: look at it's dependencies :p "python2.5, python-central (>= 0.5.8), python (<< 2.6), python (>= 2.4), python-apt (>= 0.6.16.2), lsb-release, python-gnupginterface"
[06:39] <stdin> that's a lot of python
[06:39] <Creationist> usser: Hmm.. that's weird.  Could that be causing my problem?
[06:40] <_2> junk    imo
[06:40] <usser> Creationist: no not really they are non functional anyway
[06:40] <hydrogen> woah woah woah
[06:40] <hydrogen> it depends on lsb-release?
[06:40] <hydrogen> eff it, i'm uninstalling it now
[06:40] <hydrogen> bloat!
[06:40] <stdin> I think ubuntu-standard depends in it too
[06:40] <stdin> or -minimal, not sure
[06:41] <hydrogen> yep
[06:41] <hydrogen> removing that as well
[06:41] <hydrogen> kernel, bash, coreutils.. upstart, thats all I need!
[06:41] <usser> Creationist: u may also try deleting everything in that "Screen" section the modes line everything except for 1400x1050
[06:41] <_2> "python (<< 2.6), python (>= 2.4),"  <<<   i.e.  2.5 only  but that's quite redundant after the  "python2.5," entry.
[06:41] <stdin> hydrogen: is "Installed-Size: 80" bloat ? :p
[06:41] <usser> Creationist: line 109
[06:41] <Creationist> usser: I just saved my xorg.xonf file and got this error: Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-nrossin" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[06:42] <Creationist> usser: Probably not a big deal, but I've been getting some random permission errors since I installed Gutsy
[06:42] <khaije1> Creationist: are you a creationist?
[06:42] <hydrogen> stdin: yes.. thats one line of a log file that I can't have any more!
[06:42] <Creationist> khaije1: What gave that away? ;)
[06:42] <stdin> Creationist: that's normal
[06:42] <Creationist> stdin: Okay ...
[06:42] <usser> Creationist: yea that happens here too
[06:43] <khaije1> Creationist: i was just wondering if the meaning of your handle was a personal belief or a random whim, as is often the case
[06:43] <_2> khaije1 am i binary ?
[06:43] <Creationist> khaije1: Both, I guess :P
[06:43] <usser> Creationist: and change virtual from 1600 1200 to 1400 1050
[06:43] <usser> Creationist: btw make a backup of your xorg.conf
[06:43] <hydrogen> Oo
[06:43] <khaije1> _2: obviously not
[06:43] <Creationist> usser already dont ;)
[06:44] <stdin> *posix shell script
[06:44] <usser> Creationist: should something bad happen ctrl+alt+f2, cd /etc/X11 && sudo cp xorg.backup xorg.conf
[06:44] <_2> khaije1 that doesn't keem me from being a creationest  :)
[06:44] <_2> stdin lol
[06:45] <Creationist> usser:  I know.... I've learned the VERY hard way ;)
[06:45] <khaije1> _2: the first thing you said was obviously false, the second was obviously true
[06:45] <usser> nah
[06:45] <joseph> list
[06:45] <_2> Scientologist no.   totally posix compliant.
[06:45] <Creationist> usser: God doesn't believe in atheists ;)
[06:45] <Scientologist> pfft
[06:45] <Creationist> Okay, this has gotten off-topic lol
[06:45] <Scientologist> dos is a posix standard!
[06:46] <usser> Creationist: so how is going with xorg.conf
[06:46] <Creationist> American Christianity = Open Source Religion :)
[06:46] <Scientologist> anyways
[06:46] <Creationist> usser: I haven't tested it yet.. I will later.
[06:46] <Scientologist> I really should go towards sleep
[06:46] <Scientologist> so
[06:46] <Scientologist> I'll see you!
[06:46] <Creationist> usser: Thanks for your help, though.
[06:47] <usser> Creationist: u may also try to remove all the modelines except for that 1400x1050, u know play around with it
[06:47] <_2> sad but true Creationist
[06:47] <Creationist> _2: Yep...
[06:47] <Creationist> _2: I'm actually working on a blog article talking about that...
[06:47] <_2> long live  RMS
[06:48] <usser> Creationist: one useful thing is to get specs on your screen and create your own modeline this is helpful sometimes http://xtiming.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/xtiming.pl
[06:48] <Creationist> usser: Yeah, but I've been unable to find the specs for my monitor.
[06:48] <_2> monitor specs can sometimes be displayed by the control buttons
[06:49] <usser> Creationist: bugger
[06:49] <banjooie> Okay, so.
[06:49] <Creationist> _2: Ooh... didn't think of that... I'll check.
[06:49] <banjooie> Let's say I saw either a puff of dust or smoke out of my computer (the sides were off.)
[06:50] <banjooie> This was while the hard drive and CD-ROM were being taxed, but little else.
[06:50] <_2> and there is  monitorworld.com   that might list your monitor.    as well as the manufacture
[06:50] <Creationist> _2: WOuld they be Horizontal and Vertical frequencies?
[06:50] <_2> r
[06:50] <_2> yes
[06:50] <usser> Creationist: ye
[06:50] <Creationist> _2: Sweet.. it does show that ;)
[06:50] <banjooie> How do I tell if a CD-ROM or hard drive has fried itself
[06:50] <banjooie> preferably without turning the computer on
[06:50] <rattt> someone help me. i need to join tha java channel but it says i need to be identified???
[06:50] <banjooie> I checked t he monitor, there are no scorch marks.
[06:50] <banjooie> er, the motherboard
[06:50] <usser> banjooie: smell it
[06:51] <banjooie> Should it absolutely reek? I had someone else smell it, since my sense of smell is really weak.
[06:51] <_2> banjooie there probably "wont" be any phisical evidance,   plug it into a working box and test.
[06:51] <se7en^Of^9> does anyone know what file get's updated when doing a apt-get update
[06:51] <usser> banjooie: not reek but usually they smell
[06:51] <banjooie> okay
[06:51] <stdin> !register | rattt
[06:51] <ubotu> rattt: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[06:52] <banjooie> they didn't smell anything, so I guess. Okay, thanks.
[06:52] <stdin> se7en^Of^9: several, in /var/lib/apt/lists/
[06:52] <_2> unplug it and hook up a power source and listen closely
[06:52] <rattt> forgive me for doing this here, as i cannot join java without being identified...watever thats supposed to mean....anyway, java is similar to c++....heres my situation. i wrote this program last year and i havent used java since...now heres my question. i typed"String n=new String();"  why did i do that instead of just "String n;
[06:53] <stdin> rattt: register with freenode to identify, read the link ubotu gave you
[06:53] <se7en^Of^9> thanks stdin
[06:53] <Creationist> usser: Now, my monitor lists exact frequencies, not ranges.... is that okay?  The website you sent me asks for a range.
[06:53] <_2> se7en^Of^9 disreguard stdin,   it's the package database in /var/cache/apt   and in /var/lib/dpkg  iirc
[06:54] <stdin> se7en^Of^9: disregard _2, /var/cache/apt is the apt package cache, for debs :)
[06:54] <se7en^Of^9> _2: /var/cache/apt/archives/  is for the *deb files
[06:55] <stdin> _2: update, not upgrade
[06:55] <_2> and that gets updated when you do   "update"  stdin.
[06:55] <stdin> _2: not unless you download the debs
[06:55] <_2> well  /var/lib/dpkg/list/  doesn't exist
[06:56] <_2> so i guess we are both wrong.
[06:56] <drew_> will gusty have kde4?
[06:56] <Creationist> _2: MonitorWorld doesn't even list my manufacturer (Westinghouse)
[06:56] <stdin> drew_: only like feisty, as an optional extra
[06:56] <Creationist> drew_: No.
[06:56] <drew_> ty
[06:56] <_2> Creationist hmmm   odd.   you did use the search on the page   no ?
[06:56] <stdin> _2:  /var/lib/apt/lists/ not dpkg
[06:57] <_2> apt ?  oh.   did i misread that ?
[06:57] <stdin> seems so :)
[06:57] <usser> Creationist: its most likely showing the freqs at which it works right now u really need ranges
[06:57] <usser> Creationist: is it an LCD?
[06:58] <_2> yes i did.
[06:58] <Creationist> usser: It's a flatscreen LCD, yes.
[06:58] <usser> Creationist: size?
[06:58] <Creationist> _2: I haven't tried the search, but looked through their list
[06:58] <Creationist> usser: 20#
[06:58] <Creationist> 20"
[06:58] <usser> Creationist: with LCD u can safely put 60
[06:58] <se7en^Of^9> jo here is my problem i stay in thailand .... some of the files fail to catche from the thai server ... so i use the .au server which is fucking slow ... if i could cp the .th file i would not need to go throug the update again because that takes for the .au server 30 min and go straight to upgrade ... does that make any sence ?
[06:59] <usser> Creationist: with LCD u can safely put 60 for refresh rate
[06:59] <Creationist> usser: It does say it's maximum refresh rate at 1400x1050 is 60Hz
[06:59] <usser> Creationist: seems about right
[06:59] <drew_> is there some way to manage my power options. Whenever my computer hibernates, it refuses to turn the monitor back on. I searched the system settings extensively but no luck.
[06:59] <usser> Creationist: and something like 50-55 for horiz sync
[07:00] <Creationist> usser: I have no clue what my Dot Clock Frequency would be... never heard the term before.
[07:01] <se7en^Of^9> stdin: /var/lib/apt/lists looks good for me
[07:01] <_2> stdin not sure what changes  but /var/cache/apt/package.cache  does get updated.   at least touched.       but sorry for the misread.  i did think i saw /var/lib/dpkg/list    my bad.     "just knew that couldn't be right"
[07:01] <usser> Creationist: dont bother then, u know what just put 55khz for horiz freq
[07:02] <_2> stdin first time for everything....
[07:02] <stdin> _2: you were bound to make a mistake once in your lifetime, law of probability :p
[07:02] <Creationist> usser: It's giving me an error... says Horizontal Sync is below the minimum of 55KHz... doesn't matter what value I put in there.
[07:02] <usser> Creationist: hm
[07:03] <_2> stdin that's not the first time we did this remember.
[07:03] <_2> looks like i'd catch on...     seems like i misread the last time too....
[07:03] <Creationist> usser: Hmm... does this look valid?      Modeline "1400x1050@60" 129.44 1400 1432 1920 1952 1050 1071 1081 1103
[07:04] <_2> stdin next time just ban me.  that'll stop it.  :)
[07:04] <stdin> _2: deal :)
[07:04] <_2> stdin you are WRONG.    wrong wrong.
[07:04] <stdin> heh
[07:05] <_2> lol
[07:05] <stdin> don't worry, I unbanned you (for now)
[07:05] <Creationist> So should I just remove all the Modeline entries and replace it with this:  Modeline "1400x1050@60i" 55.41 1400 1432 1640 1672 1050 1074 1079 1103 interlace
[07:06] <_2> comment out and test Creationist
[07:07] <Creationist> _2: Well, I backed it up and now I'll test it ;)
[07:07] <Creationist> _2: Just requires an X restart, correct?
[07:07] <usser> Creationist: ok u know what my screen being almost the same i say screw the modline, try this http://pastebin.ca/723944
[07:08] <usser> Creationist: substitute your sections with this
[07:09] <banjooie> by the way
[07:09] <banjooie> for irony's sake
[07:09] <usser> Creationist: 16th line should read 1400x1050
[07:09] <banjooie> I was installing windows XP when it happened
[07:09] <usser> Creationist: first mode
[07:09] <banjooie> yes, over Ubuntu.
[07:09] <banjooie> :(
[07:09] <usser> bye bye all
[07:09] <Creationist> usser: Thanks for your help
[07:09] <Creationist> brb... gonna try this...
[07:10] <mmmiiikkkeee> i read some where that konquerer was going to move to qt-web kit? is that supose to be better then khtml(witch seems to follow all the standards that NO one follows).  any one know any thing about this?
[07:10] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: #kde-devel will
[07:11] <mmmiiikkkeee> ok thanks
[07:14] <elmo_> hello
[07:14] <elmo_> how to install an x-chat?
[07:14] <crweb> how do i build a source package like  qc-usb-source ?
[07:14] <crweb> i untar the /usr/src/qc-usb-source.tar.gz but no other info
[07:15] <stdin> elmo_: open adept and search for xchat
[07:15] <intelikey> i hate this isp.
[07:15] <intelikey> this is just about the last straw.
[07:15] <elmo_> im new with kubuntu
[07:15] <stdin> crweb: there should be a README and/or INSTALL file, read those
[07:15] <elmo_> where can i find the adept?
[07:15] <stdin> elmo_: KMenu > System > Adept Manager
[07:16] <crweb> stdin: seems to be the README distributed with the original source. don't see an INSTALL
[07:17] <elmo_> too many x-chat in here
[07:17] <elmo_> xchat-gnome?
[07:17] <stdin> xchat-gnome or xchat
[07:17] <elmo_> thanks
[07:17] <npillowpats> is there a text based music player?
[07:18] <intelikey> npillowpats sox
[07:18] <stdin> and mplayer
[07:18] <stdin> and mp321
[07:18] <stdin> and vlc
[07:18] <stdin> (there are a few)
[07:18] <Creationist> Hmm... well that didn't work lol
[07:18] <intelikey> oh yeah  ?   mplayer does console ?
[07:18] <Woodstokk> Greetings everyone.  Noob to kubuntu here... just got it running the last few days. Is there a way to get Konversation to show more than one window at the same time?  So far, I don't see a way to do that.
[07:18] <stdin> intelikey: what? you didn't know?
[07:19] <Creationist> Woodstokk: What other windows do you want it to show?
[07:19] <Woodstokk> It shows more than one window in a tab configuration...
[07:19] <elmo_> all installation will be on adept?
[07:19] <Woodstokk> um... 'CHANNEL' ....
[07:19] <stdin> intelikey: it's primarily a terminal app, you have to give it a -gui switch to get it to start a GUI :)
[07:19] <stdin> elmo_: yeah
[07:19] <Woodstokk> what I'd like to do is show a channel in one window...and another channel visible at same time in a different window
[07:20] <elmo_> ah ok
[07:20] <elmo_> cool :)
[07:20] <stdin> Woodstokk: nope
[07:20] <Woodstokk> instead of tabbing
[07:20] <npillowpats> stdin : what about xmms?
[07:20] <npillowpats> does that run in text?
[07:20] <intelikey> well it's all vista'd out with fonts.... http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/39956
[07:20] <elmo_> after the installation do i have a shortcut on my desktop?
[07:20] <Woodstokk> figures!  Thanks stdin
[07:20] <Woodstokk> Is there another chat prog that could be used?
[07:20] <stdin> npillowpats: I think that's only an X app
[07:21] <intelikey> npillowpats vlc  :)
[07:21] <mmmiiikkkeee> if your playing music over ssh is there an easy way to make the music play on the other computer?? or some thing similar/simple(i know it can be done with cat and mpg123...but is there any thing better?)
[07:21] <stdin> elmo_: no, you'll have a link in the KMenu, under Internet
[07:21] <intelikey> !chat
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[07:21] <intelikey> Woodstokk ^
[07:22] <stdin> intelikey: that's because it does subtitles too and stuff, so it needs fonts
[07:22] <carlos>  como hago para saber simi procesador es de 64 o 32 bits? agradezco su ayuda!
[07:22] <wii> how do i install more then one thing?
[07:22] <Woodstokk> 'IRC' just from the name sounds like a possibility
[07:22] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: over ssh, just do "ssh -X user@host" and start amarok or something
[07:22] <stdin> !es | carlos
[07:22] <ubotu> carlos: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:22] <intelikey> Woodstokk irssi  bitchx
[07:23] <npillowpats> bitchx is the best
[07:23] <mmmiiikkkeee> that plays teh music on the other computer
[07:23] <stdin> wii: select more than one thing?
[07:23] <Creationist> hmm
[07:23] <district> i'm back again - a mistake can make me look bad doesn't it?
[07:23] <wii> stdin: no i mean in the console
[07:23] <intelikey> then why don't you use it ???  :)
[07:23] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: yeah, that's what you said you wanted
[07:23] <stdin> wii: sudo apt-get install app1 app2 appN ...
[07:23] <mmmiiikkkeee> no the other way around
[07:24] <mmmiiikkkeee> srry
[07:24] <wii> ok
[07:24] <mmmiiikkkeee> i want it to play my the computer that is doing the sshing
[07:24] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: no, unless you do it my way. install sshfs then "mount" a directory over ssh and play it in a local app :)
[07:24] <district> i got a Question again
[07:25] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: like "sshfs user@host:/home/you ~/some/empty/directory"
[07:25] <mmmiiikkkeee> yea but then browesing the directories with the music can get slow??
[07:26] <Woodstokk> intelikey, I've never used terminal... is there a good info manual with irssi?
[07:26] <Woodstokk> (looking up bitchx right now too)
[07:26] <stdin> mmmiiikkkeee: works fine over wireless for me
[07:26] <Creationist> Hey, is there a reason that /home/nrossin/.kde/share/config/kcmshellrc is owned by root?
[07:26] <intelikey> stdin would ssh user@ip play file.ogg not output locally ?   haven't treid it  but you can do things like    ssh blah@blah cat blah > file  and file will be local.
[07:27] <tetreaul> what would be the purpose of playing music remotely?
[07:27] <district> I have a bin file I downloaded from softpedia.com and i want to install it. How do I install it?
[07:27] <intelikey> Woodstokk i don't know,  i use bx  :)     but the man pages for all cli apps are    man <appname>
[07:27] <intelikey> Woodstokk man man
[07:27] <district> Anyone please?
[07:28] <mmmiiikkkeee> ok :) cool thanks(i was looking for like a ssh -X -A ....to forward audio kind of thing...but this sounds like it could work too)
[07:28] <stdin> intelikey: no "ssh user@host cat file > file" works because your shell interprets the '>'
[07:28] <intelikey> district bash filename.bin
[07:28] <tetreaul> 
[07:28] <district> oh thanks again
[07:28] <Woodstokk> ok, thanks.  Fishing for info now!  :)
[07:29] <stdin> Creationist: probably because you ran kcontrol or systemsettings with sudo once
[07:29] <Jucato> district: what are you trying to install?
[07:29] <district> wow you guys are great
[07:29] <CrypTom> hi all, I have several additional sources in sources.list. How can I easily see from within aptitude from which source a package is taken/upgraded?
[07:29] <stdin> I'm guessing nvidia/ati
[07:30] <intelikey> stdin correct  but   ssh blah@blah    then after  cat blah > file   file is on the remote   so i just thought maybe you could output music the same way....  was worth a shot
[07:30] <district> googleearth.bin
[07:30] <district> something like it
[07:31] <uga> intelikey: well, if ssh can tunnel udp (and therefore RTP), maybe you could
[07:31] <stdin> intelikey: I guess you could decode a file on remote to stdout then pipe that to /dev/dsp, but that's just being silly :p
[07:31] <intelikey> oh i have no doubt that it could be done uga
[07:32] <uga> if so, you can do RTP streaming using vlc
[07:32] <stdin> also VLC can stream media to your network, but that's not over ssh
[07:32] <intelikey> correct
[07:32] <uga> stdin: read what I just said... rtp over an SSH tunnel
[07:32] <intelikey> vlc is the easy way
[07:32] <stdin> or just setup a http share, there are lots of ways
[07:32] <Jucato> district: I see, then yeah: sh ./filename.bin would work.
[07:33] <stdin> uga: I still like my way, it's simpler. just like playing a local file
[07:33] <district> anyway, i really like kubuntu it's really great sotware
[07:33] <intelikey> Jucato might be better to use bash   you know how "bashic" packagers have gotten.
[07:33] <district> and thanks again
[07:34] <intelikey> sotware ?
[07:34] <uga> stdin: well, that sounds more like cheating, but heh, it should work too =)
[07:34] <uga> anyway, cya
[07:35] <intelikey> hmm sot uphenism for drunkard     sotware = software for over imbibers
[07:35] <Jucato> intelikey: true. I always forget that sh -> dash...
[07:35] <Jucato> snotware.. :)
[07:35] <district> thanks jucato, i'll be going now again thanks.
[07:35] <intelikey> Jucato software for trubblesom children ?
[07:36] <Jucato> booger software...
[07:36] <intelikey> :)
[07:36] <intelikey> good one.
[07:36] <Woodstokk> npillowpats:  I neglected to ask... is bitchx for terminal?  looks like it might be from the one lonely (tiny) snapshot I see so far.
[07:36] <stdin> it is
[07:36] <intelikey> Woodstokk it is cli
[07:37] <intelikey> Woodstokk what are you talking on right now ?
[07:37] <intelikey> talk/type/
[07:37] <Woodstokk> right now I'm about 99.5% yeathen till I get a little more info.
[07:37] <nitin> Hi All
[07:37] <Woodstokk> talking on an old Mac using IRCLE on OS9
[07:37] <intelikey> i C++
[07:38] <nitin> me talking on kubuntu ....
[07:38] <Woodstokk> have been unable to stomach going to OSX so decided to start looking at Linux
[07:38] <nitin> is this the room where we can discuss, our intrest in development
[07:38] <Woodstokk> took an immediate liking to kubuntu
[07:38] <nitin> ?
[07:39] <npillowpats> Woodstokk : no, it works in console
[07:39] <intelikey> nitin yes.  but you will get asked to go elswhere for it...
[07:39] <npillowpats> im on it right now, heh
[07:39] <stdin> nitin: no, #kubuntu-devel #ubuntu-devel and #ubuntu-motu are better places for that
[07:39] <intelikey> or no    take your pick.
[07:39] <nitin> ty
[07:39] <nitin> irc.freenode.net@#ubuntu-mozillateam
[07:39] <Woodstokk> the *ONLY* downside to kubuntu for me right now is a very large learning curve for a long time... but so far, it looks about irresistable as an overall system
[07:40] <alexbob1> I have a friend with a Dell Inspirion 1520 and Kubuntu won't boot on it.  it just gets up to sh with the prompt "(initrd)" and only the most basic tools.
[07:40] <intelikey> how about   /join #ubuntu-mozillateam
[07:40] <intelikey> you are already on freenode.net
[07:41] <nitin> ty i joing the mozilla team
[07:41] <nitin> :)
[07:41] <intelikey> busybox shell in the initramfs  most likely alexbobp
[07:41] <npillowpats> Woodstokk : i was using sabayon, a gentoo derivative (well, it is gentoo) and i was using kubuntu for a week or so waiting for my friend to get me a livedvd iso, and im just sticking with kubuntu because it has all my bases covered
[07:41] <npillowpats> not to say sabayon isnt a badass system
[07:43] <intelikey> all your _'s belong to _2
[07:44] <Woodstokk> npillowpats : I looked at ubuntu in 2 versions, ydl, and OSX.3  ... somebody suggested kubuntu flavor... and it was 'game over'
[07:44] <npillowpats> Woodstokk : i searched around for a while too
[07:44] <npillowpats> i tried all the main linux OS's
[07:45] <npillowpats> others are nice, but this one is the most functional for me
[07:45] <npillowpats> gentoo is my fave
[07:45] <npillowpats> after learning a considerable amount of stuff
[07:45] <intelikey> *buntu = *buntu = *buntu       just add a desktop and some default apps    they are all the same system   and same repos.
[07:45] <npillowpats> intelikey : heh, yeah
[07:45] <alexbobp> intelikey: yeah, that's the one
[07:45] <Woodstokk> OSX took away too much stuff I wanted.  So... that's why kubuntu gets the nod in my book
[07:45] <alexbobp> do you know why it isn't getting past that?
[07:46] <npillowpats> Woodstokk : by osx, do you mean mac?
[07:46] <stdin> intelikey = _2 = yintelikey = Agent_Bob, all the same ;)
[07:46] <Woodstokk> yes npillowpats
[07:46] <purpleposeidon> Is there a web-site archiver with a nice GUI?
[07:47] <Woodstokk> npillowpats: Have been a die hard Apple / Mac person for 20 years but getting ready to get off dependence on that boat now
[07:48] <npillowpats> Woodstokk : ive never used it, but i like the open sense of linux
[07:48] <Jucato> purpleposeidon: Konquero has one. in the Tools menu
[07:48] <npillowpats> you can do anything and everything, free, moddable, fixable
[07:48] <purpleposeidon> yes, but that only does the page. I want a bunch more than that!
[07:48] <stdin> s/Konquero/Konqueror/
[07:49] <yintelike> can't use the business connection for private stuff, there are still a few things i'd like to do before i disappear from planet earth...
[07:49] <Woodstokk> npillowpats: if all else fails, chat on the mac and do other stuff on kubuntu as it gets familiar
[07:50] <npillowpats> wii : work from console, keeps you from being distracted, that is the lesson i now know
[07:50] <npillowpats> Woodstokk : what do you mean by chat?
[07:50] <Woodstokk> npillowpats : Meant that I'd do what we're doing here with the mac and other stuff on kubuntu as it gets clearer item by item.
[07:51] <_2> Woodstokk konversation is the default "kubuntu" irc client
[07:51] <npillowpats> Woodstokk : you can use irc, aim on kubuntu
[07:51] <_2> !konversation
[07:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konversation - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:51] <npillowpats> ill give you the apt-get program commands, heh
[07:51] <Woodstokk> npillowpats : yeah, it was easy to find, easy to use, and is workable... but would like the ability to see more than one channel at a time.
[07:52] <npillowpats> xchat?
[07:52] <_2> you can do that with almost any of them.
[07:52] <stdin> xchat has a similar interface to konversation
[07:52] <npillowpats> theres a UI front end for bitchx as well
[07:52] <npillowpats> i just open bitchx up in a few terminals
[07:52] <npillowpats> which is why my name always messes up
[07:52] <_2> you can split the screen in bx console
[07:53] <_2> or use tabs   or just have two windows in one window   (the default)
[07:53] <Woodstokk> pillowpants_ : Don't know how to even use terminal... much less more than one at a time
[07:54] <_2> daz one reason i like bx    it's one of the few apps that the defaults suit me.
[07:54] <Woodstokk> that's probably 'lesson two' over the next few weeks
[07:54] <_2> terminals scare me.
[07:55] <_2> that's why i stick to consoles     :)
[07:55] <pillowpants_> Woodstokk : once i learned how to use it, i loved it
[07:55] <pillowpants_> you can do anything with it
[07:55] <pillowpants_> _2: whats the difference between terminal and console? arent they the same thing?
[07:55] <Woodstokk> pillowpants_ : so.... what's the diff between 'console' and 'terminal'?
[07:55] <Woodstokk> um.... sorry\
[07:55] <pillowpants_> shell vs console vs terminal?
[07:55] <pillowpants_> i am unsure
[07:56] <pillowpants_> different words for the same thing
[07:56] <_2> shell vs console vs terminal <<<<    that's like    "a" verses "a in c" verses "a in x"  ....
[07:57] <stdin> shells run in a console/terminal
[07:57] <pillowpants_> _2: you just confused me
[07:57] <pillowpants_> stdin: ah right
[07:57] <pillowpants_> but console vs terminal?
[07:57] <pillowpants_> id say console is strictly console, and terminal is a console opened in x
[07:58] <_2> that will work.
[07:58] <stdin> shells are "applications" terminals are normally physical devices and consoles are the software (or something like that)
[07:58] <pillowpants_> stdin: ah, i see
[07:59] <stdin> it's all confusing and goes back to the "old" days, where man were men and knew C :p
[07:59] <pillowpants_> C scares me
[07:59] <pillowpants_> i can barely learn python
[08:00] <pillowpants_> Woodstokk : we all are, i think
[08:00] <pillowpants_> i like to think
[08:01] <pillowpants_> id*
[08:01] <_2> the kernel provides you with several consoles on the terminal you see.  and when a shell is started in one of those consoles you have the basic "console interface"    now.    xorg also runs inside one of those consoles, normally the seventh one.   tty7    the hot keys   [L_alt] +[f1-12]   select the first 12 ttys   [R_alt] +[f1-12]    the next 12 i.e. 13-24
[08:02] <pillowpants_> _2: cleared it up
[08:03] <_2> to break out of xorg you must add the [ctrl]  key to the normal hot key
[08:03] <stdin> "cli" is the easy way of saying it :)
[08:03] <_2> but cli could refer to a console  or a vertual-termainal  like konsole or gnome-terminal
[08:04] <stdin> exactly
[08:04] <_2> or xterm or rxvt or any of the many *term apps.
[08:04] <aldanon> anyone tried out the new 64bit x-fi drivers yet?
[08:04] <stdin> cli: "the bit where you type the things what that you want it to do"
[08:05] <_2> cli = command line interface    quite generic.   could even be the terminal emulator in konqueror
[08:06] <aldanon> _2 do you have much experience with compiling drivers?
[08:06] <_2> the shell  can be any of an assortment of command inturpretors as well    bash dash tcsh csh zsh  or even something exotic like command.com
[08:06] <_2> aldanon no.
[08:07] <_2> aldanon i don't compile unless needed,  and seldom need too
[08:07] <aldanon> doesn't seem anyone is too interested in the topic heh
[08:08] <aldanon> i've been waiting 2 years for this x-fi driver, but have no idea how to compile it
[08:08] <_2> too finish up  ^ ... command.com  or perl or python       and yes i can't leave the plug at M$ out of it....  i did like command.com until i learned better.
[08:09] <_2> aldanon ok.   do you have build-essential installed   start there.
[08:09] <pillowpants_> is there a text based image viewer?
[08:10] <_2> aldanon then  use   apt-get build-deps    to get the deps and  compile as normal
[08:10] <Woodstokk> 2 : is there someplace in the help docs (haven't found yet- looking right now) that talks through cli... getting started with it for somebody wearing the short pants at this stage?
[08:10] <_2> !cli | Woodstokk
[08:10] <pillowpants_> Woodstokk : google?
[08:10] <_2> bot down ???
[08:10] <aldanon> you have IM _2?
[08:11] <ubotu> Woodstokk: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[08:11] <_2> aldanon no.
[08:11] <Woodstokk>  (cli = command line interface)
[08:11] <_2> aldanon and about to leave anyway.    you can ask in  #ubuntu     compiling is not kde specific.
[08:11] <_2> didn't i just say that.
[08:12] <Woodstokk> yeah, but I was too stupid to read that before I replied
[08:12] <_2> anyway   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal might have some interesting facts and maybe a link or two
[08:13] <_2> i'm all out of talk now.
[08:13] <Woodstokk> k.  I was looking for info in the kubuntu help docs at first.  Hadn't yet tried google
[08:13] <Woodstokk> thanks for the info.  Good stuff to fish through for a bit.
[08:14] <Jucato> to what?
[08:14] <_2> can't imagine them accepting that i'm out of talk....
[08:15] <pillowpants_> Woodstokk : you could type "man console" into a terminal
[08:15] <pillowpants_> and read the man page
[08:15] <Jucato> oh yeah I can.
[08:15] <_2> gooday all     and shalom
[08:15] <Jucato> when _2 is out of talk, Agent_Bob will take over
[08:15] <_2> lol
[08:15] <Jucato> and then intelikey.. and the cycle goes on
[08:16] <Woodstokk> pillowpants_: Didn't even know that much 2 minutes ago.  ok... let me play with that a bit too!
[08:18] <pillowpants_> Woodstokk : man pages were a revolution for myself, and a good source of help for the many problems i had with a few programs
[08:19] <Woodstokk> pillowpants_ : Yes, found it already.  Starting reading.  Also have a google page laying on the OS9 machine to read in a bit too.
[08:24] <Woodstokk> pillowpants_ : (and a couple others) Thanks for the help.  Have a lot to read for a while
[08:25] <pillowpants_> Woodstokk : no problem
[08:26] <Woodstokk> the learning curve on this is going to be astronomical... but its better than being ticked off at S Jobbs for the next 20 years for taking stuff out of OSX
[08:28] <pillowpants_> Woodstokk : its not that bad, took me a week or so to be coherent
[08:28] <pillowpants_> pretty quick
[08:28] <pillowpants_> Woodstokk : even gentoo, which is hard to learn, only took me a short while
[08:29] <pillowpants_> i mean, what do you need to learn really?
[08:29] <Woodstokk> browsing and email fired up pretty intuitive on day one
[08:29] <pillowpants_> email, internet browser, aim, music, games, movies are all there really
[08:29] <pillowpants_> the hardest thing i encountered was getting my video card to work properly, next was learning wine
[08:30] <Woodstokk> chat started fairly easy... call me nit picky though
[08:30] <pillowpants_> then after that, just getting the commands for console down
[08:30] <Woodstokk> oh hey, that is another thing
[08:30] <pillowpants_> chat? how so?
[08:30] <Woodstokk> I threw this on an old iMac...
[08:30] <pillowpants_> i use pidgin for most chat
[08:30] <Woodstokk> attached a second monitor to it
[08:31] <Woodstokk> the main imac monitor went black
[08:31] <Woodstokk> right now its hard to decide if its better to run on one monitor and just leave as is... or try to fire up the second
[08:31] <Woodstokk> so far, the multidesktops thing is a cool way to resolve the two monitor thing
[08:32] <pillowpants_> Woodstokk : undoubtedly someone had your problem before, and google will tell you
[08:32] <pillowpants_> Woodstokk : yeah, multiple desktop rules
[08:32] <pillowpants_> set your hot keys for ctl + arrows for quick shifting
[08:32] <pillowpants_> kde doesnt have it standard
[08:32] <Woodstokk> so far, have been more interested in making sure the software itself is doing what I want than two monitors
[08:33] <pillowpants_> Woodstokk : what software are you trying to get to work
[08:33] <Woodstokk> working it slowly... chat is the #1 thing right now
[08:33] <Woodstokk> then... a bit of graphics.  Would like something that has some similarity to photoshop type of app soon
[08:34] <Woodstokk> or... if you happen to know Mac software, the old Graphic Converter program is very flexible and nice
[08:34] <gary> hi, what's a good widget program for Kubuntu Feisty?
[08:34] <pillowpants_> Woodstokk : gimp for sure
[08:35] <pillowpants_> its a photoshop copy basically
[08:35] <Woodstokk> gimp equivalent to GC?
[08:35] <Woodstokk> oh COOL!
[08:35] <Woodstokk> might it ever open up old PS documents?
[08:35] <pillowpants_> Woodstokk : i couldnt say, but maybe
[08:35] <pillowpants_> im sure theres a plugin or something
[08:36] <chernov>  
[08:36] <gary> cheers to the beryl - adept orb fix
[08:36] <chernov> vsem privet
[08:36] <stdin> !ru
[08:36] <ubotu>    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[08:37] <chernov> stdin: idi nahuy
[08:37] <stdin> !en | chernov
[08:37] <ubotu> chernov: The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are english only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[08:37] <chernov> ubotu: idi nahuy
[08:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about idi nahuy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:37] <pillowpants_> haha, english only!
[08:38] <gary> anyone know a good program for widgets in kubuntu?
[08:38] <pillowpants_> gary: google it?
[08:38] <stdin> pillowpants: he's a troll, he can speak english just fine
[08:38] <gary> i found screenlets, but it's not in the repos
[08:38] <pillowpants_> stdin : what makes you say that?
[08:39] <stdin> gary: superkaramba
[08:39] <gary> ic, thanks stdin
[08:39] <stdin> pillowpants_: because it's not the 1st time he's tried that in here
[08:39] <stdin> gary: and you may want to find a new nick before the "real" gary comes online ;)
[08:40] <gary> heh
[08:40] <pillowpants_> stdin : ah, i see
[08:41] <gary_> lol, how many underscores does it take to use my name that isn't already taken
[08:41] <stdin> 500
[08:42] <stdin> (gary is a popular nick)
[08:42] <Woodstokk> try 'garyyyyyyyyyyy' you might get 'lucky'
[08:43] <gary_of_NYC> woot
[08:43] <stdin> now register it, quick! :p
[08:46] <gary_of_NYC> <<bows to the fellas who got adept-updater orb out of my tray
[08:47] <pillowpants_> stdin : how do you register?
[08:47] <stdin> !register
[08:47] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[08:47] <pillowpants_> ive been using this one for a while, and no one has taken it
[08:48] <pillowpants_> oh, freenode
[08:48] <stdin> yeah, "irc.ubuntu.com" is just an alias to "irc.freenode.net"
[08:48] <gary_of_NYC> speakin of which, if i installed PS CS under wine, will it also install background services like it does in Windows haha
[08:49] <pillowpants_> whats PS CS?
[08:49] <gary_of_NYC> photoshopCS
[08:49] <stdin> i can safely say "no"
[08:50] <stdin> #winehq will know more than me tho
[08:50] <pillowpants_> gary_of_NYC : ah
[08:50] <pillowpants_> gary_of_NYC : dont like gimp?
[08:50] <emilsedgh> i heard photoshop 6 or 7 runs fine with wine, but why?
[08:51] <gary_of_NYC> i've used PS for a long time, but gimp is cool too
[08:51] <pillowpants_> gary_of_NYC : yeah
[08:55] <pillowpants_> well im off to bed
[08:55] <pillowpants_> see ya
[08:55] <stdin> later
[09:09] <Christian_> hi
[09:09] <Christian_> i need help
[09:09] <Woodstokk> Just finished downloading Gimp.  Doesn't show up in the menu.  Is it installed?  How do I find it?
[09:09] <tetreaul> dunno if I can help... but hi!
[09:10] <Christian_> i need install kde desktop in ubuntu 6.10
[09:10] <tetreaul> woodstokk - I'm sure you have to install it before it will be installed ;)
[09:10] <Christian_> how can install?
[09:11] <Jucato> !kubuntu | Christian_
[09:11] <ubotu> Christian_: Kubuntu is Ubuntu with KDE, the K Desktop Environment, instead of Gnome. See http://kubuntu.org for more information - For support: #kubuntu - See also !KDE
[09:11] <Jucato> er sorry
[09:11] <Jucato> Christian_: install the package called "kubuntu-desktop"
[09:13] <Christian_> but iam running Ubuntu
[09:13] <Christian_> and i want install KDE desktop in ubuntu
[09:13] <Christian_> okay
[09:13] <stdin> !kde
[09:13] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[09:13] <tetreaul> Christian_:         sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[09:13] <Christian_> i have other cuestion:/
[09:13] <stdin> Woodstokk: it should be in KMenu > Graphics
[09:13] <Christian_> beryl how can install?
[09:13] <Woodstokk> that's where I looked stdin... a little surprised to not find it there
[09:14] <tetreaul> Christian_: isn't beryl for gnome?
[09:14] <Jucato> Woodstokk: how did you install it?
[09:14] <Woodstokk> the info (Adept) said it was downloaded and installed
[09:14] <Jucato> tetreaul: not necessarily
[09:14] <Jucato> Woodstokk: hm.. ok.. try this. Alt+F2, "kbuildsycoca"
[09:14] <Woodstokk> am I missing something major?
[09:14] <Jucato>  then look in K Menu -> Graphics again
[09:15] <stdin> Woodstokk: try "kbuildsycoca"
[09:15] <Christian_>     sudo apt-get install beryl emerald emerald-themes ?
[09:15] <Jucato> !beryl | Christian_
[09:15] <ubotu> Christian_: beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:15] <Christian_> okay
[09:15] <Christian_> thank u
[09:15] <Christian_> :D
[09:18] <Jennitheowl> Allo ^.^
[09:19] <Woodstokk> Jucato : Hey that worked!   Did that just rebuild the menu?
[09:19] <Jucato> in a way, yes
[09:19] <Jennitheowl> now x.o im gonna probaly get flammed and called a massive newbie for this, but how does one obtain wine? x.x  and subsequently use it?
[09:20] <Jennitheowl> *hides under the noob rock*
[09:20] <Jucato> !wine
[09:20] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:20] <Jennitheowl> thanks!
[09:20] <Jennitheowl> ^.^
[09:20] <Jucato> Jennitheowl: just install the wine package, and use it like "wine filename.exe"
[09:20] <Jennitheowl> :D
[09:20] <Jennitheowl> Jucato: <3
[09:21] <Jucato> :)
[09:21] <Jennitheowl> I just got off work taboot, so my head is throbbing and i got so much help in here last night so i thought id come and ask again :)
[09:24] <Jennitheowl> >.> im really new to linux, and am making a collosal newbie of myself again but what might the "universe repository" be?
[09:25] <Jucato> !universe | Jennitheowl
[09:25] <ubotu> Jennitheowl: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:26] <Jucato> hope that helps a bit
[09:26] <Jucato> (sorry not much time to talk)
[09:26] <Woodstokk> Anybody here ever been able to open a Photoshop document using Gimp?  It looks suspiciously similar in function.
[09:33] <Woodstokk> To those of you who have offered info: Thanks much.  I'm gone for the night but fast turning into a Linux convert.  Halliluya!  I have seen the light!   G'nite all!
[09:36] <Jennitheowl> *beats head into keyboard* why do i try and learn after midnight with a headache?
[09:37] <stdin> because it's the Linux way
[09:37] <Jennitheowl> lol
[09:37] <Jennitheowl> x.o im not a bright girl sometimes, ya know?
[09:38] <Jucato> actually.. the Linux way is the "try and learn".. the WIndows way is the headache :)
[09:38] <Jennitheowl> Haha X3
[09:38] <Jucato> (my way is the beating head into the keyboard)
[09:38] <stdin> my way is "try it, fail, reformat, repeat until success"
[09:38] <Jucato> minus the reformat (hopefully)
[09:39] <Jennitheowl> i never really has the scary issues with windows some people did >.> but i swear im the only person who could destroy the apple os's and never know how or what the fuck i did
[09:39] <stdin> well, with major things
[09:39] <Jucato> language please :)
[09:39] <Jennitheowl> O.o no worries...
[09:40] <stdin> you see, ubotu doesn't like "bad" language :p
[09:40] <Jennitheowl> X3
[09:40] <stdin> !language
[09:40] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[09:40] <stdin> see ^ :)
[09:40] <stdin> silly ol' bot
[09:42] <waylandbill_> it seems that the only way to keep windows safe is to never connect it to the internet. :)
[09:43] <stdin> s/connect it to the internet/power it on/
[09:44] <Jucato> s/power it on/boot it/
[09:44] <waylandbill_> ok. never connect it to the net and never install anything. :)
[09:44] <Jucato> (Linux might be on the same computer.. never powering it on means never using Linux)
[09:44] <Jennitheowl> so...guess is hould grabt hat driver befoer i open wow >.> lolol
[09:45] <Jucato> waylandbill_: how about keeping Windows inside the CD only? :)
[09:45] <stdin> just format the disk if a windows cd got too close to the HDD
[09:45] <morca007> Can anyone recommend a decent graphical config tool for KDE?
[09:45] <Jucato> morca007: what exactly are you looking for?
[09:45] <stdin> system settings/kcontrol not doing it for you?
[09:45] <morca007> similar to Envy
[09:46] <Jucato> almost all configuration in KDE have GUI's
[09:46] <Jennitheowl> okay, now here comes another fun question or 2 from me!
[09:46] <Jucato> System Settings -> Monitor & Display?
[09:46] <stdin> use envy, if you don't mind a broken system
[09:46] <Jennitheowl> Question one, how does one get there usb headset working?
[09:46] <Jucato> !envy
[09:46] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[09:46] <morca007> Hence my not using envy. ;)
[09:47] <morca007> I guess I'll stick with the default tools
[09:47] <Jucato> stdin: I live it in your capable hands... which I will cut off later :)
[09:47] <stdin> Jennitheowl: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound is a place to start with that
[09:47] <Jucato> (so that I could borrow it for myself...)
[09:47] <Jennitheowl> i was going to say you should graft them to your nostrals :D
[09:47] <stdin> Jucato: heh, I'll try but I'm not 100% here for long today
[09:47] <Jennitheowl> Question 2!
[09:48] <Jucato> stdin: neither am I... I sat on this work too long.. now I have to cram :(
[09:48] <Jennitheowl> I got the driver for my graphics card from the nvidia page :) how do i install it?
[09:48] <stdin> don't, use the packages
[09:48] <stdin> !nvidia
[09:48] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:48] <stdin> well, that 2nd question was easy :)
[09:49] <Jennitheowl> System  Administration  Restricted Devices Manager (doesnt seem to exist for me >.> )
[09:50] <Jucato> stdin: ^^^ just love that
[09:50] <stdin> why do I edit the wiki with a "Note:" if no one reads it?
[09:51] <stdin> "Note: If you are using Kubuntu, please follow the instructions for Ubuntu 6.10"
[09:52] <Jennitheowl> shhhh >.>
[09:52] <Jennitheowl> im tired >.>
[09:52] <stdin> that's it, I'm making the whole think bold, underlined and italicised
[09:52] <Jennitheowl> size 20 font too !
[09:52] <Jennitheowl> :D
[09:52] <Jennitheowl> okay T_T now im just crying at how bad i missed that
[09:53] <stdin> you aren't the only one to just not see it
[09:55] <Jennitheowl> Note: you have to select the restricted modules first because the nvidia-glx package automatically installs the i386 one - and if you have a generic kernel image, the X will not work.)
[09:55] <Jennitheowl> now with this part, im not sure quite what it means
[09:55] <Jennitheowl> like when i look at the resticted modules, they are all generic, so is that what it means? x.o to be sure and not jump to assumptions
[09:57] <stdin> it's ok then, you already have the restricted-modules
[09:57] <stdin> I think i made the note more noticeable now
[10:01] <Jucato> stdin: the instructions for Ubuntu 6.10 do still say use Synaptic right?
[10:01] <stdin> Jucato: no, apt-get
[10:02] <Jucato> oh yeah, after enabling the repos. hm..
[10:02] <stdin> (tho I need to rewrite the page really)
[10:02] <Jucato> please :)
[10:02] <stdin> humf, can't I just add the gutsy instructions, it's easy in gutsy :p
[10:03] <stdin> I wish kate could do ubuntu wiki highlighting
[10:04] <manouche> .part
[10:07] <Jennitheowl> back
[10:07] <emilsedgh> is there any statistics showing how many users does ubuntu and kubuntu have?
[10:07] <Jennitheowl> Really had to get some fresh air ^.^
[10:10] <VSpike> bah... a slight flicker and tear on windows moving is only a small thing, and doesn't exactly affect usability, but I cannot begin to describe how much I am obsessed about it now I've seen it
[10:15] <senfman> hi
[10:16] <senfman> I habe a problem with my wireless card (prism54) under kubuntu.
[10:16] <senfman> it registers with the access point, but I can not get a dhcp address.
[10:16] <senfman> under windows the card seems to work without problems.
[10:23] <Remo_A> when is the kde4 beta state over?
[10:23] <stdin> when it's releases
[10:23] <Remo_A> aren't there any deadlines or anything?
[10:23] <stdin> around December sometime
[10:23] <Remo_A> ok
[10:23] <Remo_A> ty
[10:24] <Jucato> beta 3 is due to be *tagged*  on the 10th
[10:26] <ardchoille> Jucato: Is there any chance that kde4 will be default in Hardy Herron?
[10:26] <stdin> nope
[10:26] <Jucato> nope
[10:26] <ardchoille> ok
[10:26] <Jucato> nada
[10:26] <Jucato> 0
[10:26] <stdin> Hardy will be an LTS release, so no way
[10:26] <ardchoille> lol
[10:26] <ardchoille> stdin: Oh, that's right.
[10:26] <Jucato> zit
[10:28] <emilsedgh> Jucato: will be announced 10 october, tagging is today (i think)
[10:29] <Jucato> emilsedgh: http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule#October_10.2C_2007:_Beta3
[10:29] <Jucato> you are probably referring to the (vaguely named) Development Platform freeze...
[10:30] <emilsedgh> Jucato: they changed it again, 3 october was planned for tagging beta3
[10:31] <Jucato> they'ved announced the change a week ago
[10:31] <emilsedgh> 2 months and 8 days until announcement :D
[10:32] <Jucato> anyway... a 30 minute break..
[10:39] <crackhead_25> question for anyone: i have a lacie firewire external hard drive. it's formated in ntfs, i believe, and filled with data. what is the command line command to see if it is actually formatted in ntfs? how can i make it visible in my /etc/fstab so that i can use ntfs-3g with it, instead of standard ntfs? thanks!
[10:45] <strog_> hi
[10:46] <strog_> i have installed the nvidia driver and did a restart and now im experiencing a massive system lag
[10:46] <strog_> im using kubuntu
[10:47] <strog_> any ideas how to solve this problem
[10:47] <aantipop> strog_: whats your card ?
[10:48] <ardchoille> strog_: Open a terminal and run: top
[10:48] <ardchoille> strog_: It may not be the nvidia drivers.
[10:48] <strog_> i have an nvidia 6100 Go
[10:48] <strog_> i have top in front of me
[10:48] <ardchoille> ok
[10:49] <aantipop> strog_: you did install nvidia-glx-new ?
[10:49] <strog_> you mean the newest version?
[10:50] <aantipop> yes
[10:50] <berkes> weird: whenever I disconnect from the weg/network, e.g. when travveling in the train, NetworkManager makes "localhost" unreachable.
[10:50] <aantipop> what's on top of top ? ;)
[10:50] <berkes> if I kill NetworkManager then localhost works just fine again.
[10:51] <berkes> is this a known bug? Anyone else having the same problems?
[10:51] <strog_> aantitop: i have the xorg task on first place
[10:51] <afiestas> berkes paste in rafb.net/paste your /etc/network/interfaces
[10:52] <aantipop> strog_: how did you install your nvidia driver ?
[10:52] <strog_> i went to /etc/init.d/kdm stop
[10:52] <strog_> and did the sh command
[10:52] <strog_> then started it again
[10:53] <aantipop> what ubuntu version are you using ?
[10:53] <strog_> i just did the distribution upgrade
[10:53] <aantipop> to gutsy or feisty ?
[10:53] <strog_> feisty
[10:53] <aantipop> i recommend you to stop kdm again
[10:53] <aantipop> sh the installer and uninstall it
[10:54] <strog_> ok 1 sec
[10:54] <aantipop> not now
[10:54] <aantipop> then just sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-new
[10:54] <strog_> aantitop: done
[10:56] <berkes> afiestas: http://pastie.caboo.se/103239 my /etc/network/interfaces.
[10:57] <strog_> aantipop: done now what
[10:58] <aantipop> strog_: sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[10:58] <aantipop> then reboot and tell us if you have still performance issues
[10:58] <afiestas> berkes do a backup and then remplace "auto lo eth0 eth1" for "auto lo"
[10:59] <strog_> aantipop im getting wierd shell messages
[10:59] <strog_> hdc: drive not ready for command
[11:00] <aantipop> no idea why
[11:00] <strog_> let me restart and stay in the shell
[11:00] <afiestas> then save it and do this command (it will restart your network service) /etc/init.d/networking restart
[11:00] <aantipop> strog:_ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:00] <aantipop> strog:_ choose nvidia as driver
[11:01] <strog_> aantipop: not "nvidia-glx-config enable"
[11:01] <aantipop> that should have done that
[11:01] <strog_> ok give me a sec
[11:01] <berkes> afiestas. thanks. While at it, any idea why NetworkManager is not under init.d/ but at etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager ?
[11:03] <stdin> berkes: because it's a dbus service, not a stand-alone service
[11:04] <stdin> Jucato: you've had your 30mins :p take a look at my diff https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia?action=diff&rev2=120&rev1=118 :)
[11:04] <crackhead_25> anyone have an idea on my question? stdin?
[11:04] <crackhead_25> question for anyone: i have a lacie firewire external hard drive. it's formated in ntfs, i believe, and filled with data. what is the command line command to see if it is actually formatted in ntfs? how can i make it visible in my /etc/fstab so that i can use ntfs-3g with it, instead of standard ntfs? thanks!
[11:05] <stdin> post what "sudo fdisk -l" shows when it's plugged in (to pastebin)
[11:10] <berkes> afiestas: that broke NetworkManager completely: it dit no longer know how to use eth0/eth1 to connect.
[11:10] <afiestas> networkmanage don't manage any interfaces listed in /etc/network/interfaces
[11:11] <afiestas> if you wan manage your interfaces with it, you need remove any entry from /etc/network/interfaces
[11:11] <afiestas> and then restart it with
[11:11] <berkes> afiestas: this one is bothering me more, though: http://pastie.caboo.se/103241 resolv.conf containing a hardwired nameserver. ITs there too when I'm not connected
[11:12] <berkes> afiestas: hmm, okay, so NetworkManager only Manages networks who's interfaces are /not/ in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[11:12] <afiestas> it is because networkmanager get the nameserver with dhcp
[11:12] <afiestas> yes berkes
[11:12] <afiestas> it in kubuntu is called "manual mode"
[11:12] <afiestas> and networkmanager is called "roaming mode"
[11:13] <berkes> afiestas: sure thing, but then why is that nameserver still there when I am not connected?
[11:13] <berkes> afaik that would break the ability to let linux resolve any local hostnames in, say /etc/hosts/ when the nameserver is unreacahble, not?
[11:13] <afiestas> i don't know berkes :(
[11:13] <berkes> no prob.
[11:14] <afiestas> i use another network daemon, wicd
[11:14] <afiestas> because i need static ip + wpa support
[11:14] <toma> my installation is stuck at downloading language files. Can I get it to skip that part for now and continue?
[11:14] <toma> gutsy - beta
[11:14] <jennitheowl> head..pain...T_T so bad i cant even sleep
[11:16] <jennitheowl> Question time >.> how the fuck do i get wow to work? x.x
[11:16] <stdin> !language | jennitheowl
[11:16] <ubotu> jennitheowl: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[11:16] <jennitheowl> i was just about to say that :\
[11:16] <jennitheowl> sorry :\
[11:16] <stdin> !games
[11:16] <ubotu> Information about games on Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Games and http://www.icculus.org/lgfaq/gamelist.php
[11:17] <berkes> darn. still no luck; I removed all references to eth0/eth1 from /etc/networking/interfaces and restarted network and NetworkManager. But still, when that NetworkManager is running, and I am not connected to the net, localhost won't resolve.
[11:17] <jennitheowl> okay now has anybody here run wow yet? beacuse ive seen that already, the game loads up, but i crashes almost soon after
[11:17] <jennitheowl> as soon as i log into a char i mean
[11:19] <jennitheowl> >.> i swear, ive asked too many questions havent i?
[11:20] <gintak> i can't hear any sound when i play 3gp sound..pls help
[11:20] <gintak> i can't hear any sound when i play 3gp files..pls help -->edited
[11:21] <aantipop> gintak: try vlc
[11:21] <lz1gjd> hi, whats the name of that little program included in kubuntu which you can use to calculate math. expressions ?
[11:21] <dreen> howzit
[11:21] <jennitheowl> allo dreen
[11:21] <aantipop> lz1gjd: speedcrunch
[11:21] <lz1gjd> oh yeah
[11:21] <lz1gjd> thx
[11:21] <lz1gjd> :)
[11:22] <gintak> already tried vlc aantipop
[11:22] <gintak> still can't hear any sound
[11:23] <aantipop> gintak: cant help you then, works for me :/
[11:23] <jtmoney> how do i enable compiz in gutsy?
[11:23] <jtmoney> everything i've found is for ubuntu, not kubuntu
[11:23] <jennitheowl> Oh!
[11:23] <jennitheowl> i know that one!
[11:23] <stdin> jtmoney: #ubuntu+1
[11:23] <jennitheowl> i was told how to earlier T_T
[11:24] <stdin> !away > apol|work
[11:24] <jennitheowl> :\
[11:24] <apol|work> stdin: ???
[11:24] <jtmoney> jennitheowl: hit me
[11:24] <jennitheowl> jtmoney: give me a min, i have a MASSIVE headache and im trying to remeber before work
[11:24] <jtmoney> okay
[11:24] <jennitheowl> (its a link, im just trying to remeber what it was beacuse it was linked to my mobile )
[11:25] <jennitheowl> ugh, cant find it, sorry friend T_T
[11:25] <jtmoney> no biggie, thanks anyways
[11:25] <mzolisi> hi all
[11:26] <xst> Where do I enable desktop effects in gutsy?=
[11:26] <mzolisi> Quick Question
[11:26] <stdin> xst: #ubuntu+1
[11:26] <jennitheowl> And a question here too, how do i enable a usb headset? especialy one running with dsp
[11:27] <mzolisi> :How can I connect to irc.blabber.net from behind a firewall
[11:27] <mzolisi> I've used tunneling before, but im not too clued up about it
[11:28] <mzolisi> And there's the CGI:IRC perl module too, but it's performance is kinda not up to scratch, laggy
[11:28] <mzolisi> ANYBODY HOME?
[11:29] <jennitheowl> Dun think so :(
[11:30] <mzolisi> Hey jenni? can i ask you something?
[11:30] <jennitheowl> Perhaps
[11:30] <jennitheowl> dont know how much help i could be
[11:31] <mzolisi> Correction: May I ask you something (still self referential, arg - dog chasing it's tail)
[11:31] <jennitheowl> :\ go ahead!
[11:31] <mzolisi> Do you connect to 'irc.blabber.net' from Kubuntu?
[11:32] <jennitheowl> i just ran konversation >.>
[11:32] <mzolisi> and you can connect to 'irc.blabber.net'?
[11:33] <jennitheowl> No idea >.> im a newbie asking all the questions
[11:33] <jennitheowl> XD
[11:33] <jennitheowl> well bed time for me!
[11:33] <jennitheowl> gnite!
[11:35] <spacemadness> Anyone need help? just msg me
[11:36] <stdin> mzolisi: if you can connect here, there's not reason to not be able to connect to the other server
[12:05] <ardchoille> spacemadness: If you want to be able to pm with identified users, you might consider registering your nick.
[12:06] <ardchoille> !register | spacemadness
[12:06] <ubotu> spacemadness: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[12:08] <enjoi1216> hey can anybody on here help me setup firefox 2.0.0.7 on my comp ?
[12:08] <ardchoille> enjoi1216: Any reason you want 2.0.0.l7 when 2.0.0.6 is in the repos?
[12:08] <mzolisi> yeah sure
[12:08] <jtmoney> enjoi1216: sudo apt-get install firefox? or do you want to compile it from scratch?
[12:09] <jtmoney> ohh, so 2.0.0.6 is in the repos
[12:09] <enjoi1216> it's just the latest version ardchoille
[12:09] <jtmoney> sudo apt-get build-dep firefox; then download the firefox source; ./configure, make, make install i'm sure
[12:09] <enjoi1216> wel jtmoney you can go to the webpage and download it
[12:10] <ardchoille> You can download it and run it from $HOME and you don't need to compile anything.
[12:10] <ardchoille> And, the latest isn't always the best
[12:10] <enjoi1216> well yeah i know but i just want to get exposed to it
[12:10] <ardchoille> ok
[12:10] <enjoi1216> thats all because i love software exposure
[12:12] <enjoi1216> ok ardchoille i clicked to download the file now what do i do do i need klik open or save as
[12:12] <ardchoille> enjoi1216: No idea, I don't things that aren't in the repos.
[12:13] <enjoi1216> well but see heres the thing ardchoille you can go to the firefox webite and download it
[12:13] <ardchoille> enjoi1216: Sure, but I don't need to do that because the firefox in the repos works and doesn't crash :)
[12:13] <enjoi1216> because if you go to the website it says right on there firefox download for linux
[12:14] <enjoi1216> hey jtmoney
[12:14] <enjoi1216> could you please help me
[12:15] <enjoi1216> could somebody in this room show me how to do this the right way
[12:16] <ardchoille> enjoi1216: The right way? Sure.. sudo apt-get install firefox
[12:16] <jtmoney> haha
[12:16] <jtmoney> yeah, the one in the repos is the best way to go
[12:16] <enjoi1216> i know that jtmoney
[12:16] <enjoi1216> lol
[12:16] <enjoi1216> but i'm just saying
[12:17] <enjoi1216> ok heres the deal jtmoney
[12:17] <osh_> If "backports" are enabled then FF will be automatically installed when a new one has been built, no?
[12:17] <enjoi1216> go to http://www.firefox.com
[12:17] <mzolisi> Any IRC gurus in the house?
[12:17] <ardchoille> Seriously, one of the reasons I have never had a problem in *buntu is because I don't use things that aren't in the repos. It's when you ignore the repos and start using outside apps, scripts, etc that you start having problems.
[12:17] <jtmoney> ardchoille: exactly
[12:18] <mzolisi> installing from source usually gives me the best results though, a bit tedious but pays off in the long run
[12:19] <mzolisi> You should stick to one of the two, source or package installation
[12:19] <enjoi1216> 2.0.0.7 for linux i686 9.2 MB
[12:19] <crackhead_25> can anyone help with my question?
[12:20] <enjoi1216> well see archoille you can download the file or you can open it it's just when you download it you can't get it opened to get it installed
[12:20] <enjoi1216> you can save it or you can open it
[12:21] <crackhead_25> stdin: sorry didnt see your response. paste: http://pastebin.ca/724104
[12:22] <slimjimflim> hi, i just installed kde, but now i can't open a shell
[12:22] <bazhang> hello
[12:22] <crackhead_25> stdin: any thoughts?
[12:22] <slimjimflim> what gives?
[12:22] <enjoi1216> hey ardchoille did you hear anybody say anybody say anything about me getting banned this weekend
[12:23] <crackhead_25> stdin: it's /dev/sdb1 which is the pertinent one..
[12:23] <ardchoille> slimjimflim: alt+f2, type in "konsole", click Run
[12:23] <ardchoille> enjoi1216: No
[12:24] <enjoi1216> well i didn't know because i tried to reenter the room tha day when i was talking about defragmenting linux and i got booted
[12:24] <enjoi1216> so i didn't know what happened
[12:24] <ardchoille> enjoi1216: Were you perhaps arguing with someone who might have told you that you don't have to defragment Linux?
[12:25] <enjoi1216> wayland bill but i didn't know he ran the server
[12:25] <ardchoille> enjoi1216: He might not run it, but the ops here try to keep channel "noise" to a minimum
[12:26] <enjoi1216> well yeah thats understandable
[12:27] <enjoi1216> well after that day ardchoille i mean if i can't get help with what i need then i'll just seek it somewhere else
[12:27] <enjoi1216> i'm not saying that to be rude but it's just not worth it anymore not that i'm trying to be too off topic
[12:28] <ardchoille> That's the best advice. But, remember to ask your question more than once (after a decent pause) because people come and go here often
[12:28] <mzolisi> Cool Article on improving Kubuntu Performance : http://www.smartadmin.in/fiesty
[12:29] <enjoi1216> yeah but you know i'm really trying to open linux up and do new and different possibilities
[12:29] <enjoi1216> do=to
[12:30] <mzolisi> do=explore
[12:30] <ardchoille> mzolisi: Nice article
[12:30] <stdin> crackhead_25: ok, you seem to have 3 other hard drives. just use the right one in a line like this in fstab "/dev/hda1 /media/windows ntfs-3g defaults,umask=000 0 0"
[12:31] <bazhang> hello, all.
[12:32] <enjoi1216> see because ardchoille my college professor said once long ago that linux is very powerful software
[12:32] <enjoi1216> brb room need to get something to drink
[12:32] <ardchoille> enjoi1216: It is.. *if* you use it right
[12:32] <bazhang> I asked this before, and intelikey answered it, but I had to run out before I could write it down--for adding a Sata extrenal linux install to grub is it referred to as sda?
[12:33] <mzolisi> Thx, ardchoille. Just a bit scared of fiddling with kernel and partitions right now
[12:33] <bazhang> extrenal=external
[12:33] <ardchoille> mzolisi: I have never had reason to mess with the kernel.. and my lack of experience in that is greater than my need for a 0.01 performance boost.
[12:36] <mzolisi> haha @ ardchoille
[12:36] <mzolisi> fair enough
[12:36] <crackhead_25> stdin, i need a little more precise step by step instruction
[12:36] <crackhead_25> i'm not exactly sure what you mean..
[12:36] <enjoi1216> well you know something ardchoille i wonder if linux is powerful enough to have software to dynotune cars
[12:36] <crackhead_25> stdin, for instance, how do i know what the uid number is? the other lines in the etc/fstab have uid lines..?
[12:36] <stdin> crackhead_25: how many drives do you have connected?
[12:36] <crackhead_25> i have.. about 3
[12:36] <crackhead_25> i think
[12:37] <crackhead_25> two internal, one ext
[12:37] <stdin> crackhead_25: well, you don't need uid,
[12:37] <stdin> crackhead_25: the "umask=0000" takes care of that
[12:37] <mzolisi> DYNOTUNE Cars? Is that something like the Tesla Car?
[12:37] <crackhead_25> hm..
[12:37] <enjoi1216> no it's when you are performance tuning a car like most usually it's done through windows
[12:38] <enjoi1216> like when you are trying to make a car more faster
[12:38] <mzolisi> Oh I see
[12:38] <enjoi1216> or set a car up for drifting or faster dragtime
[12:38] <crackhead_25> stdin, so i should add your line exactly as you typed it, and then i should restart, and is hould be able to recognize that drive? can you explain what that line you typed is?
[12:38] <jtmoney> rice boys
[12:39] <mzolisi> so you hoop up sensors to the various components and based on those metrics you'll tweak as necessary
[12:39] <enjoi1216> but the main point is that i know they make dynotuning software is available for windows but do they make it for linux
[12:39] <mzolisi> i mean hook
[12:39] <peter_> my wolfenstien sound dont function
[12:39] <stdin> crackhead_25: you need to create the directory you want to mount it to, eg: /media/windows first. then you just need to do "sudo mount -a" and it should be there
[12:39] <mzolisi> Still playing WOLFENSTEIN :O
[12:39] <bazhang> sorry, my bad; let me try and restate: I installed another distro to an external drive (dual boot on internal drive), and after rebooting, cannot find external drive--fdisk -l says no disk found.but bios can see it.
[12:40] <crackhead_25> stdin, isn't it already mounted? i can examine it in /media/sdb1.. ?
[12:40] <crackhead_25> actually wait.. /media/[laciename] 
[12:40] <jtmoney> enjoi1216: i don't think linux and your civic would like each other
[12:40] <stdin> crackhead_25: it may or may not be, i can't tell unless you show me the output of "mount"
[12:41] <crackhead_25> one sec..
[12:41] <bazhang> I'm assuming that I have to edit the grub file, but after following a walkthrough from Ubuntuforums, still no dice--maybe I should try and reinstall?
[12:41] <enjoi1216> how did you know i had a civic jtmoney
[12:41] <crackhead_25> stdin: http://pastebin.ca/724113
[12:43] <enjoi1216> man i don't feel many people are fond of me today
[12:44] <stdin> crackhead_25: ahh, so you already have it there, if you post your fatab to pastebin i'll show you the changes to make it all ntfs-3g
[12:44] <enjoi1216> what is the linux off topic channel
[12:44] <enjoi1216> does anyone know the weblink
[12:44] <crackhead_25> how do i see fatab?
[12:44] <bazhang> ubuntu or kubuntu?
[12:45] <crackhead_25> stdin: fatab?
[12:45] <stdin> crackhead_25: open it by pressing Alt+f2 and putting in "kdesu kate /etc/fstab"
[12:45] <bazhang> #kubuntu-offtopic, etc.
[12:47] <guille> p3
[12:47] <guille> mp3
[12:47] <crackhead_25> stdin: http://pastebin.ca/724116
[12:50] <stdin> crackhead_25: ok, just add "/dev/sdb1	/media/sdb1	ntfs-3g	defaults,umask=0000	0	0" to the bottom, the save it. after that you can do "sudo mkdir /media/sdb1" and "sudo mount -a" and you should see it in /media/sdb1
[12:51] <peter__> how can i add the battery-symbol to the panel in dreamlinux?
[12:52] <stdin> dreamlinux?
[12:52] <ardchoille> peter__: PErhaps join #dreamlinux ?
[12:52] <peter__> jub
[12:52] <peter__> me gills system
[12:53] <peter__> girl
[12:53] <crackhead_25> stdin: can you do a pastebin to show me exactly what the new file should look like?
[12:53] <stdin> crackhead_25: http://pastebin.ca/724118
[12:55] <peter__> no help for dreamlinux here only kubuntu ?
[12:56] <stdin> peter__: have you read the topic?
[12:56] <crackhead_25> stdin: when i did mount -a , i got a bunch of error msgs
[12:56] <crackhead_25> said failed on all of them. .because already mounted..
[12:57] <crackhead_25> should i leave it and just see if it works on restarting the cokmp?
[12:57] <stdin> try it
[12:57] <peter__> my wolfenstien sound still dont function
[12:58] <peter__> on ubuntu
[12:59] <peter__> thx
[01:00] <civixier> okay, here's the thing. I got myself an extern hard drive, 20 gb, that I thought I would have for Linux. I got kubuntu and installed it into the disk, but when I rebooted everything just halts with the message Error 17. 'Grub Loading stage1.5' 'Grub loading, please wait' 'Error 17'
[01:01] <civixier> And I guess grub is the boot menu?
[01:01] <guille> anyone using the beta version?
[01:01] <civixier> and it has installed itself to my other drive, where i have XP installed. so for now, all I have that works is this live CD...
[01:02] <enjoi1216> coudl someone in the room help me to get my sound to work
[01:04] <guille> civixier are you new in linux?
[01:04] <guille> do you have 2 dirvers or at least a disc partition?
[01:06] <civixier> ive switch back and forth from linux to xp, but im a windows person. the primary disk is partitioned in two. on that one ive got XP. and ive got a USB disk where i want linux
[01:07] <civixier> and ive installed linux on that one already
[01:08] <enjoi1216> this is krazy my motherboard is no longer supported
[01:09] <civixier> any thoughts, guille?
[01:10] <guille> well i am new aswell
[01:10] <guille> i have been using this thing for a couple of weeks
[01:10] <civixier> oh, okay :P
[01:11] <guille> i dont know if i can be of much help but i can try
[01:11] <civixier> i google the problem at the same time :P
[01:11] <guille> i really dont know how to install kubuntu into an usb drive
[01:12] <civixier> thats okay, i think ive solved it soon >P
[01:12] <guille> ok then
[01:12] <guille> gl
[01:12] <ScorpKing> hi uga. :)
[01:12] <civixier> thx :D
[01:14] <ScorpKing> civixier: i think the installer will pick it up. /dev/sda or something like that.
[01:15] <civixier> it did, ive installed it and all. but i cant boot from either one of my hard drives now
[01:15] <ScorpKing> civixier: even if it's plugged out?
[01:16] <civixier> tried that, still error 17. wich it shouldnt get, because according to google error 17 in grub means 'could not mount from drive' or something like that
[01:17] <civixier> cannot mount from selected partition
[01:17] <ScorpKing> civixier: grub is installed on the hd and not on the usb disk. you'll have to restore the mbr for xp.
[01:18] <ScorpKing> !grub
[01:18] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:18] <ScorpKing> maybe that will help ^^
[01:21] <civixier> hih, thx. plowing through the text now :D
[01:22] <ScorpKing> and maybe google for mbr restore/create for xp.
[01:28] <civixier> uhm.. mr. ScorpKing?
[01:28] <ScorpKing> yep?
[01:29] <ScorpKing> hmmm?
[01:29] <civixier> call me stupid, but i have no clue of what im doing XD
[01:29] <ScorpKing> lol
[01:29] <ScorpKing> uneducated is not stupid.
[01:29] <ScorpKing> just need some educating...
[01:29] <civixier> okay, call me uneducated then ;D
[01:29] <ScorpKing> :D
[01:30] <ScorpKing> so what's wrong?
[01:31] <civixier> still the grub thingy... ive discovered that /dev/sda is the xp drive, while /dev/sdb is linux
[01:31] <youz> salut
[01:31] <ScorpKing> hi
[01:31] <civixier> whre do i go from here?
[01:31] <youz> je dcouvre linux
[01:31] <civixier> bonjour
[01:31] <ScorpKing> !fr
[01:31] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[01:32] <W8TAH> hi folks - im trying to get sound working in pidgin which is built from source -- when i play a sound the debug window says -- unable to create audiosink
[01:32] <W8TAH> what do i do now?
[01:32] <ScorpKing> civixier: uhmm. thinking...
[01:32] <civixier> me too :P
[01:33] <ScorpKing> civixier: so your hard drive have only windows on it right?
[01:33] <civixier> the one IN my computer has only windows on it. its partitioned, but i dont think it matters. the one OUTSIDE my computer has linux on it.
[01:34] <ScorpKing> hmmm. i see.
[01:34] <youz> i can't read .exe
[01:34] <ScorpKing> civixier: restore the mbr for xp first, without having the linux one in.
[01:35] <civixier> you know how to do that or should I google it?
[01:35] <ScorpKing> youz: there is no .exe in linux
[01:35] <ScorpKing> civixier: i'm not sure. i don't use windows anymore so can't check the commands. try google...
[01:36] <civixier> okay, thx :D
[01:37] <civixier> ooohhh, what i get its only to throw in the install disk for windows and press r
[01:37] <civixier> brb >D
[01:37] <ScorpKing> ok
[01:37] <ScorpKing> youz: to open .exe inlinux use wine
[01:37] <ScorpKing> !wine | youz
[01:37] <ubotu> youz: wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[01:42] <gomoran2> Hello, I have a kubuntu, gutsy, xrandr, i810 rotation-problem.
[01:43] <Dragnslcr> Hm, anyone else seen this error from Adept Updater lately? I've been getting it every time I update packages
[01:43] <stdin> !gutsy
[01:43] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, and as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1 | See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon for more information
[01:43] <Dragnslcr> "There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages. "
[01:43] <ScorpKing> Dragnslcr: what are you trying to install?
[01:44] <Dragnslcr> ScorpKing- this morning was updates to postfix and rdiff, but it's happened every time for the past week
[01:45] <ScorpKing> Dragnslcr: go to konsole and type sudo aptitude install junksdfjhsdfjhsd. that will remove any broken packages.
[01:45] <Dragnslcr> I have this line in dpkg.log, but no further mention of postgres:
[01:45] <Dragnslcr> "2007-10-03 07:42:07 status half-configured postgresql-8.2 8.2.5-0ubuntu0.7.04.1"
[01:45] <Dragnslcr> So I'm thinking that's the broken package
[01:46] <ScorpKing> yeah, try that command
[01:47] <ScorpKing> if apt can't find a package it will go through anyway and clean up broken ones.
[01:50] <Dragnslcr> ScorpKing- you think that Adept error might be caused by a failure to start Postgres when it's finished installing the new version?
[01:51] <ScorpKing> not sure. it might.
[01:51] <ScorpKing> just remove or downgrade the package
[01:54] <Dragnslcr> Eh, maybe it'll get annoying enough that I'll finally get around to fixing it
[01:55] <ScorpKing> heh
[01:56] <snowdonkey> Hey, in Kubuntu when I have to open graphical app as root, do I have to use "kdesu" for KDE apps and "gksu" for GTK apps, or just "kdesu" all the time?
[01:57] <ardchoille> !kdesu | snowdonkey
[01:57] <ubotu> snowdonkey: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[01:57] <ardchoille> snowdonkey: If in kde, you can use kdesu for all apps (kde and gnome)
[01:58] <snowdonkey> ardchoille: Ok, thanks!
[01:58] <ardchoille> yw
[02:07] <IppatsuManXYZ> hi, I'm using Kubuntu 7.04 and I selected "manual configuration" on KNetworkManager, now I'd like to use it again, but I can't find any option to re-enable it. How do I do that?
[02:09] <Jucato> IppatsuManXYZ: right-click on the KNetworkManager ico in the system tray? or System Settings  Network Settings  Network Connections
[02:10] <Jucato> ScorpKing: I do hope that's not an auto away :)
[02:10] <ScorpKing> no
[02:10] <Jucato> ok. now go away :)
[02:10] <ScorpKing> gonna be busy for a while. :)
[02:10] <ardchoille> Jucato: lol
[02:12] <IppatsuManXYZ> Jucato: right click on the icon in the system tray doesn't show any option to re-enable KNetworkManager (it doesn't show the available wireless netowrks), it allows only to choose "Manual configuration" (which is the same as System Settings  Network Settings  Network Connections), but I'd like to have back the nice interface
[02:13] <Jucato> I don't know what that nice interface is really
[02:14] <IppatsuManXYZ> seems like a known issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=437070
[02:14] <IppatsuManXYZ> and https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+question/8140
[02:15] <IppatsuManXYZ> the interface looks like this: http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/1712/989/1600/snapshot1.png
[02:17] <IppatsuManXYZ> seems I found a possible workaround (without installing gnome as someone suggests on ubuntuforums), brb
[02:20] <oscar> ola?
[02:20] <ardchoille> !es
[02:20] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:20] <ardchoille> I hope that's the right one
[02:20] <oscar> thanks
[02:20] <ardchoille> :)
[02:29] <IppatsuManXYZ> Jucato: I fixed it and I sent the solution to https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+question/8140 - everything works fine again \o/
[02:30] <bentob0x> anybody bought an openmoko here?
[02:30] <Jucato> IppatsuManXYZ: nice. thanks for that ;)
[02:30] <Jucato> bentob0x: not **yet**
[02:31] <bentob0x> hehe, I'm on the verge of making an order now
[02:31] <bentob0x> I just want to know what will be the difference between the phone you buy now (developers only) and the one that will be for the public
[02:32] <Jucato> don't you want to wait before you buy? :)
[02:34] <bentob0x> not really :)
[02:34] <bentob0x> my mobile just broke yesterday
[02:35] <bentob0x> and I don't want to buy a new one except if I get an openmoko
[02:35] <Jucato> oh ok...
[02:36] <Zombie> Hello.
[02:36] <Zombie> Anyone here familiar with setting up a Firewall on Kubuntu?
[02:38] <Jucato> !firewall
[02:38] <Jucato> hm.. bot's slow tonight...
[02:38] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[02:39] <ScorpKing> i have to go. if civixier comes back tell him to google for 'boot linux from boot.ini'. he wants to boot linux from his usb disk.
[02:41] <IppatsuManXYZ> bye all
[02:50] <bazhang> hello everyone
[02:50] <Jucato> hello
[02:50] <genii> Hello
[02:50] <tobias> hi
[02:50] <genii> The channel lives!
[02:51] <Jucato> tea!!
[02:51] <Jucato> ty!!!!
[02:53] <jussi01> lol
[02:53] <bazhang> do you guys ever sleep?
[02:54] <wii> can someone help me?im looking for a good download manager that can download more then one thing but one after the next
[02:55] <Jucato> kget
[02:55] <Jucato> set Limits to 1 (or 2)
[02:56] <wii> Jucato: will it resume the seconde one by it self?
[02:56] <Jucato> yes
[02:56] <genii> DownThemAll extension for firefox also has queuing
[02:57] <genii> bazhang: We rarely sleep :)
[02:57] <Jucato> too much in fact
[02:58] <genii> Jucato: Odd, must be every second you are not in here, since i certainly see you a lot!!
[02:58] <genii> LOL
[02:59] <Jucato> well sometimes I sleep with Jucato online.. so that would explain it :)
[03:00] <genii> Aaaaaah
[03:06] <bazhang> genii: hahaha
[03:08] <wii> Jucato: can kget download torents files?
[03:09] <wii> pikachuu >_<
[03:09] <Jucato> wii: there's ktorrent for that
[03:09] <ardchoille> wii: I think kget can download torrent files, but not as a torrent, just as a file. There is ktorrent, tho
[03:09] <Jucato> oh yeah.. that :P
[03:09] <wii> lol
[03:09] <ardchoille> :)
[03:10] <wii> next time i'll be more clair on my questions :p
[03:10] <wii> pikachuu >_<
[03:10] <sergio> wenas
[03:11] <DevideZero> when kubuntu 7.10 stable will be released ?
[03:11] <Jucato> oct 18
[03:12] <wii> oct 15
[03:12] <DevideZero> oct . . .
[03:13] <Jucato> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[03:15] <wii> ktorrent look like confusion
[03:16] <wii> anyway got to got i start work in 30min
[03:16] <wii> pikachuu >_<
[03:17] <mzolisi> aye
[03:17] <dhq> !915
[03:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 915 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:17] <wii> Jucato: all are downloading at the same time in kget
[03:17] <mooper> Where do I check configs for removeable disks
[03:17] <Jucato> wii: you didn't set the Limits did you?
[03:17] <dhq> how do i use the 915 drivers
[03:17] <mzolisi> df -k?
[03:18] <mooper> automount usb flash isnt working
[03:18] <wii> Jucato: yes the default was 2 i put 1
[03:18] <mzolisi> www.kubuntuforums.net is your friend
[03:18] <Jucato> hm... it shouldn't download them all at the same time
[03:18] <Jucato> unless you manually click on the "play" button for each
[03:18] <wii> Jucato: it isnt the option limits?
[03:19] <wii> is it
[03:20] <Zombie> Anyone here have a default sorewall.conf file?
[03:20] <wii> anyway i'll see when i comeback from work
[03:20] <mzolisi> how did it go, mooper?
[03:20] <wii> pikachuu >_<
[03:21] <mzolisi> wii, got a wii ?
[03:23] <mooper> mzolisi: ?? how did what go?
[03:23] <mooper> usb flash....not very well
[03:25] <mzolisi> Im sure i've seen an article on www.kubuntuforums.net . Had an issue with a removable disk some time back
[03:32] <astan> hrm. my sound sounds a little scratchy since the last kernel update.. happened to anyone else? nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2)
[03:37] <simone> Hello,Is there anybody italian?
[03:39] <hero> !kubuntu-it
[03:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu-it - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:39] <hero> !ubuntu-it
[03:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu-it - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:39] <llutz> !it
[03:39] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[03:54] <voidmain2> my brain is about to rupture because of nvidia drivers
[03:54] <cultavix> hello everyone ;)
[03:55] <cultavix> just updated to 7.10 Kubuntu
[03:55] <cultavix> used to always use ubuntu
[03:55] <cultavix> but I prefer KDE
[03:55] <cultavix> I am wondering though, why are there so many updates listed on adept ?
[03:55] <stdin> because Gutsy is still under development
[03:58] <civixier> !root
[03:58] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[03:58] <civixier> haha, how poetic
[03:59] <stdin> poetic, and true
[03:59] <civixier> yea, so ive experienced the last 10 minutes XD
[04:00] <stdin> !sudo | the way of the future, today
[04:00] <ubotu> the way of the future, today: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:01] <civixier> uhm.. didnt find out how to change the root password at !root
[04:02] <civixier> oh its at !sudo, right?
[04:02] <civixier> :D
[04:02] <stdin> "sudo" is the command, not "!sudo"
[04:03] <civixier> yea, but you wrote !sudo, I meant :P
[04:03] <civixier> !sudo
[04:03] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:03] <stdin> that's a command to ubotu to say that ^
[04:03] <stdin> !bot
[04:03] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[04:04] <civixier> yes, i know ^
[04:04] <civixier> ^^
[04:21] <civixier> uhm.. ive got linux on my external and xp on my internal. is there any program that lets me boot windows inside of linux?
[04:21] <stdin> vmware maybe
[04:21] <stuq> anyone know why in gutsy, knetworkmanager is going so haywire?
[04:21] <stdin> #ubuntu+1 for gutsy
[04:21] <stuq> doesn't show any of my wireless devices since the last update
[04:21] <stuq> i can still connect just fine
[04:21] <civixier> hmhm, ill look it up. thx :D
[04:22] <jbc_> how are you
[04:23] <tobias> I got a problem myself this time: After dist-upgrading my system, knetwork manager says "no connection found" but manually, he detects an active eth0 connection - additionally powermanager wont start anymore
[04:23] <tobias> but says: guidance-power-manager.py: cannot connect to X server :0
[04:23] <stdin> gutst?
[04:23] <stdin> *gutsy
[04:23] <tobias> feisty
[04:24] <stuq> tobias, same problem here
[04:24] <stuq> power manager works for me, though
[04:24] <tobias> stuq: really? strange... what could it be?
[04:25] <stuq> not sure...
[04:25] <stuq> i see 'wifi' now in ifconfig
[04:25] <stuq> which *I* didn't put there..
[04:25] <tobias> I got eth0 and lo in there
[04:26] <stuq> well, i hope they work this out... knetworkmanager got to be quite nice in the recent versions
[04:26] <stuq> the older ones didn't update the AP list worth a damn
[04:26] <eMaX> re
[04:27] <tobias> I mean- I dont care about the network manager.. I even thought of not letting him start at system startup
[04:27] <tobias> but I need my powermanager back :s
[04:27] <eMaX> ne1 recently has problems w/ flash player plugin for firefox? konqueror and firefox just crash on any video from youtube
[04:27] <tobias> eMaX: got the codecs installed ?
[04:28] <eMaX> sure changed nothing just maybe since a recent apt-get update
[04:28] <stuq> what's the dif between power manager and kpowersave?
[04:28] <stuq> they both start up now
[04:28] <stuq> seem to duplicate a lot of functionality
[04:28] <tobias> not one of them loads for me ._.
[04:29] <tobias> eMaX: youtube videos work fine for me~ after updating and upgrading
[04:30] <Satyruz> I have a problem configuring my file xorg.conf ... I have ati x300 and I would like to get a resolution of 1280x800
[04:30] <Satyruz> is it possible?
[04:30] <Satyruz> can u help me?
[04:30] <tobias> !resolution
[04:30] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[04:31] <Satyruz> thanks I try
[04:31] <eMaX> Shockwave Flash 9.0 r48
[04:31] <tobias> same here eMaX
[04:31] <shaffy> can anyone tell me how to give change the rights of my removable drive to give me write access?  for some reason, when i plug in my usb HD, i can only read.
[04:32] <jbc_> ubuntu 7.04
[04:33] <stuq> shaffy: cd /media/usbdrive then chmod/chgrp/chown depending on what's needed
[04:33] <stuq> man each of them, they're pretty easy command lines
[04:33] <genii> shaffy: If it had NTFS, see !ntfs-3g from ubotu
[04:33] <genii> *has/had
[04:34] <stuq> in /etc/fstab, there will be an entry for automounting your drive
[04:34] <tobias> dam I really want my powermanager back :\
[04:34] <stuq> you can change the options there so you won't have to do it by hand each time
[04:34] <shaffy> genii, it did have it, until i reformatted it into fat32
[04:34] <stuq> heh
[04:35] <stuq> shaffy: bring up konq and go to media:/
[04:35] <stuq> is the drive showing up there?
[04:35] <shaffy> stuq, it is, but i think i see the problem,
[04:36] <shaffy> the drive was originally ntfs, but now it is fat32.  however, fstab still shows it as ntfs
[04:36] <tobias> http://pastebin.com/ddd75cc1 <- when I want to start guidance-power-manager
[04:36] <Daisuke_Ido> so change fstab
[04:36] <stuq> shaffy: that would def. cause a prob
[04:37] <shaffy> stuq:    /dev/sdb1 /media/sdb1 ntfs ro,user,fmask=0111,dmask=0000 0 0
[04:37] <stuq> so umount /dev/sdb1
[04:37] <Pitabred> And then remove the "ro" and change ntfs to fat32
[04:38] <stuq> then mount /dev/sdv1 -t fat /[mountpoint] 
[04:38] <stuq> then mount /dev/sdb1 -t fat /[mountpoint] 
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> vfat
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> for both of you
[04:38] <stuq> Daisuke_Ido: thkyou
[04:38] <stuq> i was just noticing that
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> fat won't work, nor will fat32
[04:38] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[04:38] <shaffy> thanks stuq.
[04:38] <voidmain2> I have the nvidia-glx installed and it semi-works except when I try to run glxgears it produces a core dump.
[04:38] <genii> Daisuke_Ido: I noticed that too
[04:39] <shaffy> hehe okay, thanks everyone
[04:39] <Pitabred> Yeah, what Daisuke_Ido said.  I haven't woken up yet... I've been out of bed for 10 minutes :P
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> oh lord, i just realized it was time to clean out the apt cache
[04:40] <Daisuke_Ido> :\
[04:41] <Daisuke_Ido> mornin' BluesKaj
[04:41] <BluesKaj> 'morning Daisuke_Ido
[04:42] <amc> hi
[04:42] <BluesKaj> and morning to all
[04:42] <northstar> I get this error message http://pastebin.com/d1484ca9c when trying to install a kernel i just compiled.  Any ideas?!?
[04:42] <amc> :D
[04:43] <amc> ima nekoj sto me razbira
[04:43] <amc> ???
[04:43] <amc> tesko a?
[04:43] <markus__> link to German chan please
[04:44] <Jucato> !de | markus__
[04:44] <ubotu> markus__: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[04:44] <BluesKaj> yeah, 2.6.22 is buggy northstar , after upgrading to gutsy it auto-installed but the kernel won't boot on my setup
[04:44] <civixier> hmm.. ive got a blackout... the command in the terminal to install stuff is...
[04:44] <tobias> sudo apt-get install program
[04:44] <civixier> thanks :D
[04:45] <tobias> np :)
[04:45] <northstar> BluesKaj: so you recommend i drop down a version or two and try to recompile?
[04:45] <tobias> while program is the name of the app. you want to install.. but I'm sure you know about that
[04:46] <BluesKaj> well, northstar so far so good with 2.6.20 ...it's your choice
[04:46] <Marc78> Hi there.
[04:47] <northstar> BluesKaj: i need a newer kernel because of a hard disk related issue...
[04:47] <BluesKaj> which one are running now ?
[04:47] <Marc78> I need som ehelp with my ubuntu 6.10 package database.
[04:47] <BluesKaj> err is running
[04:48] <stdin> Marc78: is it "locked" ?
[04:48] <northstar> BluesKaj: 2.6.20-16
[04:49] <Marc78> Indeed, stdin!
[04:49] <stdin> !aptfix | Marc78
[04:49] <ubotu> Marc78: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[04:49] <stdin> follow what ubotu said
[04:49] <BluesKaj> hmm northstar , what's the hard disk issue with that kernel
[04:50] <Marc78> Thanks, I`ll try that right now.
[04:50] <Daisuke_Ido> possibly that it calls everything sd*?
[04:50] <northstar> BluesKaj: the disk doesn't spin down on shutdown, instead it just grabs the head and grinds to a hault
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> ah yes, that's a nasty issue that never should have come up
[04:51] <BluesKaj> eeuuww Daisuke_Ido...any ideas about northstar's problem ?
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> newer kernel
[04:51] <Daisuke_Ido> BluesKaj: ever hear a click from the hard drive when you're shutting down?
[04:52] <hollandlucas> I hate my ISP... 122 KB/sec on Kubuntu Gutsy Beta
[04:52] <BluesKaj> click ?
[04:52] <hollandlucas> I should be getting 10 Mbit/s
[04:52] <northstar> BluesKaj: Daisuke_Ido: its already been reported as a bug and supposed fixed in higher kernels
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> hollandlucas: aww, poor baby
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> :)
[04:52] <Daisuke_Ido> maybe the server's loaded
[04:52] <hollandlucas> no
[04:52] <hollandlucas> it's an ISP problem
[04:52] <hollandlucas> but I'm not gonna call them again
[04:52] <hollandlucas> last time I called
[04:53] <hollandlucas> they threatened me
[04:53] <civixier> kubuntu doesnt seem to find my internal drive (is installed on the external), and im trying to use vmware to get to the internal drive where ive got xp installed. help?
[04:53] <BluesKaj> oh, now yer scaring me ...I'm still using 2.6.20
[04:53] <hollandlucas> they said that if I ever called again (about the speed) they'd make me pay for every action they take to solve the problem
[04:53] <Daisuke_Ido> you're not *entitled* to those speeds unless your isp has a guaranteed bandwidth agreement, and most don't
[04:53] <BluesKaj> hollandlucas, don't use your enter key for emphasis
[04:53] <Daisuke_Ido> sounds like it's time to change ISPs
[04:54] <hollandlucas> It is. But I'm in a 2-year contract
[04:54] <Marc78> My problem is solved; thanks a lot!
[04:54] <Daisuke_Ido> if they aren't providing the service you pay for, you can most likely get out of that contract
[04:54] <Daisuke_Ido> from the sound of it, they know there's an issue and refuse to fix it
[04:55] <hollandlucas> The issue is that they have too many customers in my area and lack the infrastructure to support them
[04:55] <Daisuke_Ido> they oversold, as do most isps, because they don't think customers will use what they're promised
[04:56] <hollandlucas> Daisuke_Ido: My old ISP was much better but I left them because my current ISP is cheaper
[04:56] <Daisuke_Ido> and now you know why :)
[04:56] <hollandlucas> now I'm willing to pay more for decent service
[04:56] <genii> I hope they're also less expensive
[04:57] <BluesKaj> hollandlucas, in this world there's an old saying , no free lunches and you get what you pay for :(
[04:57] <BluesKaj> hey genii
[04:57] <hollandlucas> I might try writing a letter to my ISP asking them to let me out of the contract
[04:58] <tobias> anyone has some experiences with powermanagers and can tell me one? (except the standard one)
[04:58] <genii> hollandlucas: Just get your lawyer to do it
[04:58] <Daisuke_Ido> you know what they say...  you take the good, you take the bad...  you take it all, and there, you have the facts of life.
[04:58] <BluesKaj> thx genii :)
[04:58] <hollandlucas> genii: lawyers are expensive
[04:58] <genii> BluesKaj: aNYTIME :)
[04:58] <genii> bah capslock
[04:58] <Daisuke_Ido> a lawyer that wants to make a name for himself will take that case pro bono
[04:59] <hollandlucas> Daisuke_Ido: In Germany there's no such thing as pro bono ;-)
[04:59] <civixier> how do I add a hard drive in linux?
[04:59] <Daisuke_Ido> oh.
[04:59] <hollandlucas> they are required by law to take money
[04:59] <hollandlucas> It's illegal for a lawyer to work for free
[04:59] <genii> hollandlucas: The moment big companies hear from a lawyer they back off
[05:00] <hollandlucas> genii: might be, but I can't afford a lawyer
[05:00] <genii> hollandlucas: If you are required to pay the lawyer, asK Is it more money to buy out the remining part of my 2 year contract with this ISP or pay a lawyer?
[05:00] <hollandlucas> genii: You think they'd let me buy myself out?
[05:00] <genii> hollandlucas: That is the way cell service for instance works
[05:01] <savetheWorld> hollandlucas: write a polite letter asking them to let you out of the contract.
[05:01] <BluesKaj> genii , in xorg file under Section "InputDevice" ,Identifier  "Generic Keyboard", add this : #Optio "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps"
[05:01] <hollandlucas> savetheWorld: will do. It can't get any worse ;-)
[05:01] <savetheWorld> hollandlucas: explain what your issue is in the letter.
[05:01] <genii> BluesKaj: LOL
[05:01] <savetheWorld> hollandlucas: keep a copy
[05:01] <BluesKaj> err genii #Option	    "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps"
[05:02] <BluesKaj> :)
[05:02] <genii> BluesKaj: Unfortunately i still like to use the capslock on occasion, so i'd miss it, annoying as it can sometimes be
[05:02] <BluesKaj> very handy for my phatphingers
[05:03] <BluesKaj> yeah, i suppose cuz of your work etc
[05:04] <savetheWorld> hollandlucas: then if they officially refuse , contact a lawyer and the press.
[05:06] <mzolisi> hi savetheWorld
[05:06] <savetheWorld> hi
[05:07] <mzolisi> are you like a member of GreenPeace or something
[05:07] <savetheWorld> F/OSS
[05:07] <mzolisi> F/OSS, never heard of em
[05:07] <mzolisi> what do they do?
[05:08] <mzolisi> I read some article saying "99% of all the species that have ever lived on the planet are now extinct"
[05:09] <mzolisi> sad hey
[05:09] <hydrogen> mzolisi: I read another article saying you're off topic for the channel
[05:09] <sredna> your mysql package for amd64 is buggy, it's sompiled with wrong flags
[05:10] <fignew_> that's a really good article
[05:10] <sredna> it causes kdepim to fail compiling
[05:10] <fignew_> kdepim uses mysql?
[05:10] <sredna>  /usr/bin/ld: /usr/lib64/mysql/libmysqld.a(client.o): relocation R_X86_64_32S against `client_errors' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[05:11] <mzolisi> hydrogen: dont be an A-hoel
[05:12] <mzolisi> hydrogen: dont be an A-hole, i mean
[05:12] <Daisuke_Ido> he's always like that
[05:12] <jpwhiting> Riddell: others: is there a way to re-install a package that's already installed?
[05:12] <mzolisi> uniunstall it
[05:12] <mzolisi> and install it again
[05:13] <Daisuke_Ido> or just select "reinstall
[05:13] <jpwhiting> reinstall?
[05:13] <jpwhiting> from adept?
[05:13] <llutz> aptitude reinstall package-name
[05:13] <jpwhiting> ah
[05:13] <Daisuke_Ido> can't say if it's there in adept, i know it is in synaptic
[05:13] <fignew_> sredna: if you really need to
[05:13] <Daisuke_Ido> (tab completion doesn't work in irc :\)
[05:13] <fignew_> you can prob. have apt recompile it for you :)
[05:14] <hollandlucas> savetheWorld: just finished the letter ;-)
[05:14] <jpwhiting> thanks all
[05:14] <fignew_> ok :)
[05:14] <sredna> but when kde4 is released, this should be fixed of course
[05:14] <fignew_> but do submit a bug report :)
[05:15] <savetheWorld> hollandlucas: you may want to find others with a similar issue and start thinking about a class action or whatever the legal equivalent is in your legal system.
[05:15] <sredna> where?
[05:15] <fignew_> cause no one here is gonna look into it
[05:16] <fignew_> !bug
[05:16] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[05:17] <harald> I have a problem with my fglrx under linux distributions (also kubuntu). My fan is running at full speed if I use fglrx.
[05:17] <harald> I searched for fixes for this problem in the net but I found nothing :8
[05:17] <harald> :(
[05:17] <harald> My graphiccard is an ATI PCI-E X850
[05:18] <harald> Motherbaord ASUS-P5GD1
[05:18] <harald> CPU: P4 3GHz
[05:18] <andycr> Which fan?
[05:18] <hollandlucas> savetheWorld: the equivalent would be a Sammelklage ("collected suit") but it's expensive... I'll just hope they'll let me out of the contract for now
[05:18] <andycr> GPU or CPU?
[05:18] <harald> for the graphiccard
[05:18] <harald> CPU
[05:18] <andycr> no idea sorry
[05:19] <harald> It doesn't happen in other operating systems
[05:20] <harald> I'm not alone with the problem when you are searching at google... but they have no fixes
[05:21] <fignew_> argh @ fglrx
[05:21] <harald> ?
[05:22] <fignew_> I would replace the heatsink on the GPU
[05:22] <fignew_> with a fanless one :/
[05:22] <fignew_> but that's not that great of a solution
[05:23] <harald> not realy
[05:24] <buz> try looking into r300 drivers
[05:24] <buz> they may be in an useable state by now
[05:24] <buz> fglrx is hopeless
[05:25] <harald> okay... that's not so good :(
[05:25] <buz> oh and then there is powerstate setting for some of the ati cards
[05:25] <buz> google atipower
[05:25] <harald> I can choose only one powerstate for my ATI
[05:25] <harald> and this powerstate is buggy
[05:25] <buz> with official or with atipower?
[05:25] <buz> well that's the wonders of fglrx
[05:25] <savetheWorld> hollandlucas: class action suits are usually done for free by a law firm which specializes in them - they only make money if they win, and theur fees come out of the settlement or the judge directs the defendant to pay them (if the defendant loses.)  (this is in the USA, YMMV)    Your best bet is to stay friendly and polite and use the power of the press.
[05:25] <harald> official driver vom ati
[05:25] <buz> in a desktop, you're probably best off buying a cheap nvidia kcard
[05:26] <harald> I thought the same... but under linux it runs very good and I payed much for it.
[05:26] <harald> I mean windows
[05:26] <buz> yeah but it's old now ;)
[05:27] <harald> that's right
[05:27] <buz> cheap nvidia card will be faster
[05:27] <buz> i nknow it sucks
[05:27] <harald> yeah
[05:27] <buz> but i sold a brand new thinkpad because fglrx was so bad
[05:27] <harald> what can I use instead of them?
[05:27] <buz> only nvidia
[05:27] <harald> instead of flgrx?
[05:27] <harald> fglrx
[05:27] <buz> google for r300 open source drivers
[05:27] <buz> they may or may not work with X8XX
[05:28] <harald> I will try and will c it =D
[05:28] <buz> if you value your time, buy an nvidia card ;)
[05:28] <harald> of course but at time I have not much money
[05:29] <harald> but many thx for the information about the r300 drivers
[05:34] <Dalton> Does anyone know how to fix a broken adept_manager?
[05:34] <genii> !aptfix
[05:34] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:37] <Dalton> thanks ubotu, but now it says "Errors where encountered while processing runit git-daemon-run
[05:41] <genii> Dalton:    in konsole: sudo touch /etc/inittab         then try the updater again
[05:43] <rattt> wat do i use to open .rar files in linux?
[05:44] <fignew_> unrar
[05:44] <genii> !info unrar
[05:44] <ubotu> unrar: Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1:3.7.3-1 (feisty), package size 94 kB, installed size 228 kB
[05:44] <fignew_> sudo apt-get install unrar
[05:45] <Dalton> hey genii, won't that kill my inittab?
[05:45] <fignew_> Dalton: no
[05:46] <Dalton> hey fignew_ : no as in don't do it, or no as in it won't kill the inittab?
[05:46] <RATTT> how do i make files hidden?
[05:46] <fignew_> no as in it won't kill inittab
[05:47] <llutz> RATTT: mv file .file
[05:47] <fignew_> RATTT: hidden files/folder start with .
[05:47] <Dalton> thanks fignew_
[05:47] <RATTT> ??
[05:47] <fignew_> Dalton: touch "touches" files
[05:47] <RATTT> give me example   lets say i have file called casino.wav
[05:48] <llutz> RATTT: mv casino.wav .casino.wav  (pointless)
[05:48] <Dalton> Hey Rattt, any file that begins with a period is "hidden"
[05:48] <fignew_> Dalton: creates them if they don't exist, and update their edit-time if they do
[05:48] <RATTT> ok. i have alot of files. how do i make them all hidden at one time.
[05:48] <Dalton> Hey fignew_, I now have a zero size inittab.....
[05:48] <llutz> RATTT: why should one do that?
[05:49] <fignew_> to be honest, I'm not sure why he had you touch inittab
[05:49] <RATTT> i wrote a java programa and i want to hide everything except the executable
[05:49] <fignew_> Dalton: run sudo apt-get update, and tell me what it says
[05:49] <genii> because of this bug: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg466076.html
[05:49] <fignew_> !info mmv | RATTT
[05:49] <ubotu> rattt: mmv: Move/Copy/Append/Link multiple files. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.01b-14 (feisty), package size 23 kB, installed size 84 kB
[05:50] <fignew_> RATTT: install mmv
[05:50] <llutz> RATTT: if user uses "show hidden files" he will see all those files anyway.
[05:50] <RATTT> ok
[05:50] <RATTT> how do i ue mmv
[05:50] <llutz> man mmv
[05:50] <genii> the git-daemon-run     looks for a nonexistant inittab which halts it's setup
[05:51] <Dalton> here is what I get "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?"
[05:52] <fignew_> RATTT: 1 secf
[05:52] <fignew_> sec*
[05:52] <fignew_> I see genii
[05:52] <Dr_willis> !fix adept
[05:52] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:52] <genii> Dalton: That means you likely have something like a window open with package manager running, or update manager is running, or some other thing using the apt backend
[05:52] <Dr_willis> be sure any other apt programs are not running
[05:53] <genii> Dr_willis: thanks for the qualifying remark :)
[05:53] <bpat1434> HI all.  Thinking about switching to Kubuntu.... does it support dual monitors with dual SLIed adapters?
[05:54] <genii> bpat1434: Dual monitors certainly. dual SLI, dunno
[05:54] <fignew_> dual SLI as in 4 video cards?
[05:54] <bpat1434> no, 1 SLI as in dual video cards with SLI
[05:54] <fignew_> ok
[05:54] <Dalton> Thanks guys, that did the trick
[05:55] <fignew_> bpat1434: check nvidia's website. Their linux driver changelog should say if it supports SLI
[05:55] <fignew_> If I remember correctly, they do.
[05:56] <bpat1434> okay, so I'd need to use the nVidia proprietary drivers?
[05:56] <fignew_> to take advantage of SLI, yes
[05:58] <fignew_> yea, SLI is supported
[05:58] <bpat1434> okay, kool.  Thanks!
[05:58] <BluesKaj> bpat1434, http://http.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8174/README/32bit_html/appendix-w.html
[05:58] <bpat1434> that was the worst thing I had to deal with in Fedora was dual monitors off 1 card :)
[05:59] <fignew_> bpat1434: the nvidia-settings program
[05:59] <fignew_> actually will setup dualmonitors really easily
[06:00] <bpat1434> i was using an ATI card at the time...
[06:00] <deviance> Where is the PHP executable on linux?
[06:00] <bpat1434> but when I get my parts from newegg, I'll be running dual nVidia 8600 cards :)
[06:00] <deviance> Ive run whereis php but I get php:
[06:01] <Azzco> I've got a problem with mouse grabbing and wine games...
[06:01] <fignew_> deviance: you installed php?
[06:01] <deviance> Yeah
[06:01] <deviance> It works fine on my local server
[06:01] <deviance> Localhost I mean
[06:01] <Azzco> The mouse isn't grabbing unless I hold one button down...
[06:02] <deviance> Ahh, whereis php5 does the trick
[06:02] <fignew_> deviance: sudo apt-get install php-cli
[06:02] <fignew_> I see
[06:02] <deviance> php5: /etc/php5 /usr/lib/php5 /usr/share/php5
[06:02] <deviance> Which do I use?
[06:02] <fignew_> none of those are executables
[06:03] <fignew_> you'll need to install php5-cli
[06:03] <deviance> Ah Okay :D
[06:03] <fignew_> if you're looking for the location of an executable, by the way, the command is "which:
[06:03] <fignew_> "which"
[06:04] <deviance> So it would be "which php"
[06:04] <fignew_> yes
[06:04] <deviance> Or php5?
[06:04] <fignew_> it should be symlinked
[06:04] <fignew_> they should both point at php
[06:04] <deviance> tim@tim-desktop:~$ which php
[06:04] <deviance> /usr/bin/php
[06:04] <deviance> tim@tim-desktop:~$ which php5
[06:04] <deviance> /usr/bin/php5
[06:05] <Juacom99> hi
[06:05] <deviance> Which one? And are they excecutable?
[06:05] <fignew_> they're both the same thing
[06:05] <Juacom99> can anyopne help me find witch version of lubuntu i have (32 io 64 bits??)
[06:05] <Juacom99> please
[06:05] <fignew_> Juacom99: uname -m
[06:07] <Juacom99> that returm me i686
[06:07] <fignew_> 32 bits :)
[06:07] <Juacom99> thanks
[06:07] <Juacom99> XD
[06:08] <Juacom99> and if is a 64 bit what should it said??
[06:09] <fignew_> hmm
[06:09] <fignew_> amd64 (?)
[06:10] <fignew_> I think that's what it would have said
[06:10] <Juacom99> thanks ^
[06:10] <Juacom99> *^^
[06:11] <genii> Don't forget there is an intel 64 bit ;)
[06:13] <Dr_willis> we dont talk about that side of the Faimly. :)
[06:15] <llutz> wouldn't it give "x86_64" back?
[06:15] <Juacom99> lol Dr
[06:20] <Giksaw> hi everybody
[06:21] <Giksaw> I need some help
[06:21] <pag> !ask | Giksaw
[06:21] <ubotu> Giksaw: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:22] <RATTT> does ubuntu have a character map?
[06:22] <fevel> hello
[06:22] <Giksaw> ubuntu: good call
[06:22] <RATTT> does kubuntu have a character map?
[06:22] <Giksaw> ubuntu: I just installed Kubuntu- Im trying to install Firefix
[06:23] <pag> Giksaw, ubotu's a bot ;)
[06:23] <fevel> does anyone know a utlity like the vista side panel that integrates with my wallpaper and that I could add functions to it?
[06:23] <PhinnFort> pag: ubuntu is not
[06:23] <PhinnFort> :P
[06:23] <fevel> like gdesklets
[06:23] <PhinnFort> fevel: superkaramba
[06:23] <pag> Giksaw, open Konsole and type in " sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install firefox "
[06:23] <PhinnFort> !superkaramba
[06:23] <ubotu> superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org
[06:23] <fevel> PhinnFort: ok...ill take a look, thanks
[06:24] <PhinnFort> np
[06:24] <Giksaw> pag:bot?
[06:24] <pag> PhinnFort, oh... sorry, misread - guess I'm too tired to read correctly :)
[06:24] <pag> !bot | Giksaw
[06:24] <ubotu> Giksaw: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:24] <PhinnFort> ;)
[06:24] <Giksaw> pag: Im new to this whole thing
[06:25] <pag> Giksaw, well.. basically ubotu is just a piece of software that gives information when told to do so.
[06:25] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: you query him with !<query>
[06:25] <Dr_willis> !botsnack
[06:25] <ubotu> Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[06:26] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: and then he looks up a suiting reply in a database
[06:26] <Giksaw> pag: ok
[06:27] <pag> Giksaw, and about Firefox installation: eithe use the way I gave you couple lines ago, or open Adept Installer ( Add/Remove programmes(?) ) and install from there
[06:27] <acomaco> any way to reset all KDE settings?
[06:27] <pag> acomaco, any reason you want to do so?
[06:28] <acomaco> i just want the default settings since i'm to lazy to change it back manually
[06:29] <PhinnFort> acomaco: (re)move the ".kde" folder in your homefolder
[06:29] <pag> acomaco, oh... then log out of KDE and command " mv .kde .kde_backup "
[06:29] <PhinnFort> acomaco: I would suggest you move it
[06:29] <acomaco> okey
[06:29] <PhinnFort> acomaco: it contains all your passwords, settings, preferences, etc.
[06:29] <PhinnFort> and probably mail
[06:29] <acomaco> all passwords to?
[06:29] <PhinnFort> yearh
[06:29] <PhinnFort> *yeah
[06:30] <acomaco> any important passwords?
[06:30] <pag> acomaco, if you have saved any important ones, then yes - nothing system-critical though
[06:32] <acomaco> hehe okey thx
[06:33] <acomaco> ok tryin now <.<
[06:34] <deviance> I would like to forward my localhost on this machine to the internet. How would I do it? Is it a good idea?
[06:34] <deviance> Does it mean forwarding port 80?
[06:34] <Giksaw> pag: whats the difference between this Adept and command prompt- and how do I get to the command prompt
[06:34] <Giksaw> ?
[06:35] <pag> Giksaw, Adept is graphical...
[06:35] <pag> Giksaw, in theory they both work identically - personally I strongly dislike Adpet, but it's just my own opinion
[06:36] <Giksaw> pag, is firefox already comes with Kubuntu- and add/remove just installs it or when I click add/remove it is downloading it from the Internet?
[06:36] <acomaco> worked :d
[06:36] <acomaco> thx
[06:36] <pag> Giksaw, it'll download it.
[06:36] <pag> acomaco, np :)
[06:37] <Giksaw> pag, Im overwhelmed by this whole thing- linux
[06:38] <pag> Giksaw, just try not to think "why and how it works" just yet...
[06:38] <Giksaw> pag, who does Adept gets the information that a firefox installation is available on the Internet?
[06:38] <pag> Giksaw, Adept is just a graphical frontend of apt
[06:38] <PhinnFort> pag: for dpkg, anyways, afaik
[06:39] <Giksaw> pag, apt?
[06:39] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: it has a large database of all available applications
[06:39] <pag> !apt | Giksaw
[06:39] <ubotu> Giksaw: APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[06:40] <Giksaw> !time
[06:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about time - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:40] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: applications are packaged by so-called "packagers", who either just have too much spare time or work for Canonical
[06:41] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: then there's a lot of scripts and programs that sort through these and create databases and upload them to mirrors worldwide
[06:41] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: and every now and then your computer can update it's local database, to get information about updates to different applications, etc.
[06:42] <Giksaw> PhinnFort: canonical?
[06:42] <Giksaw> PhinnFort:  so my computer has a database of available downloads from the Internet?
[06:42] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: yes
[06:42] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: or rather of packages available from the mirrors
[06:43] <pag> Giksaw, Company that owns the Ubuntu trademark and commercially supports it
[06:43] <Giksaw> PhinnFort:  it comes with Kubunto installation- this database?
[06:43] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: yes
[06:43] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: you also have a database of currently installed applications that is compared to available packages, to see which one should be upgraded, etc.
[06:44] <Giksaw> PhinnFort:  but it is compared automatically? I dont have a control when it is connected to the Internet???
[06:44] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: it should download automatically every now and then, when you have an internet connection, but you can also do it from adept
[06:44] <PhinnFort> manually
[06:45] <Giksaw> PhinnFort:  but is it safe? I dont know what is the source of the isntallation
[06:45] <august_> Hey everyone.  Just wanted to know if someone could help me with a problem.  I have a problem making my computer to output on my tv.  Is there a button i should push or somewhere in the control panel i can click on so that the output can go to the tv?  On windows all you have to do is just right click on the screen and go to output and click on monitor.  I have a laptop by the way
[06:45] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: when it sees that a newer version of a package is available, it pops up an icons in the system tray, that tells you which programs are updatable
[06:45] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: all packages from the official sources are cryptographically signed
[06:45] <devious`> hi all
[06:46] <Giksaw> !system tray
[06:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about system tray - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:46] <pag> Hello devious` :)
[06:46] <Giksaw> PhinnFort: what is system tray?
[06:46] <devious`> a question: when i was installing kubuntu, i denied the use of paging file, since i have 2Gb RAM.. Is that a good idea or not? If not, can i change that now?
[06:46] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: it's what holds those small icons for different programs
[06:47] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: down right on the screen, besides the clock
[06:47] <devious`> (i did not create a partition for pagina file)
[06:47] <Giksaw> PhinnFort:  sorry, so far I used windows- I hope I dont bother too much with all these questions
[06:47] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: nono, it gives me a good reason to not work on what I should do;)
[06:47] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: you have a system tray on windows too
[06:48] <pag> devious`, you can change it afterward (don't ask *me* how :P ), and it's reccomended to have al least 256MB for swap
[06:48] <Giksaw> PhinnFort:  ok- I just wasnt familiar with the name
[06:48] <Giksaw> PhinnFort:  and what should u do now instead?
[06:48] <fevel> hey guys, my laptops wifi connects to the network I set up when I used ubuntu, now that im on kde I cant search for networks around or anything...is there a tool to do that or did I miss it on knetworkmanager?
[06:48] <hero> how do you disable the float-over descriptions on panel objects?
[06:49] <fevel> can someone please help me?
[06:49] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: discrete mathematics;)
[06:50] <aldanon> heya's all
[06:50] <aldanon> i'm still working on compiling this x-fi soundcard driver
[06:51] <aldanon> anyone interested in lending a hand with it?
[06:51] <Giksaw> PhinnFort:  but how kubuntu recognizes that the update that is available comes from a safe source?
[06:51] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: it only downloads databases from addresses it knows is safe by default
[06:52] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: of course you can add unsafe sources, but then it should warn you that the packages you download are not signed by a trusted source
[06:52] <PhinnFort> if you don't tell it to trust that key, then you really don't know if it's safe;)
[06:52] <aldanon> is the other ubuntu channel ubuntu+1?
[06:52] <Giksaw> ok' and how do I know that kubuntu is safe?
[06:52] <aldanon> someone gave it to me last night but i forgot what it is
[06:53] <pag> aldanon, #ubuntu+1 is for Gutsy support
[06:53] <aldanon> cool thanks thats what i'm on
[06:53] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: you don't;)
[06:53] <aldanon> err well i'm on kubuntu
[06:53] <aldanon> ...but the driver i'm trying to compile..eh i was just led to ubuntu heh
[06:53] <njt88> hi
[06:54] <aldanon> you any good with compiling pag? =D
[06:54] <pag> hi njt88 :)
[06:54] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: the cd's also contain cryptographic checksums on them, so you can check the integrity of it, etc. but you ultimately put your trust in someone else
[06:54] <pag> aldanon, I had luck couple of times... :)
[06:54] <devious`> what is that webpage you can download themes for kubuntu to change apeareance?
[06:54] <pag> !themes | devious`
[06:54] <ubotu> devious`: Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[06:54] <PhinnFort> devious`: kde-look.org
[06:54] <devious`> thank youi
[06:55] <aldanon> here's where i got the driver pag http://us.creative.com/support/downloads/download.asp?searchString=XFiDrv_Linux
[06:55] <njt88> i had a power failure and things got corrupted.  ran fsck, corrected that stuff, but then had probs with kde:  kstartupconfig script is borked.  did a sudo apt-get install kde, and now kde at least starts up, but still geteting the error message (only dif is now kde starts)
[06:55] <njt88> question is, how do i get the kstartupconfig to regenerate? I did a mv kstartupconfig kstartupconfig.bak  but dont know what to do next
[06:56] <pag> aldanon, what problems do you have compiling? unmet depencies?
[06:56] <Giksaw> PhinnFort:  and u trust kubuntu?
[06:57] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: of course
[06:57] <PhinnFort> ;)
[06:57] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: mostly because everything they do, they do in the open
[06:57] <Giksaw> PhinnFort:  do u do banking online with it?
[06:57] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: so I trust them more than Microsoft
[06:57] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: of course
[06:57] <aldanon> naw, in the end after 5 hours of working with it, it's looking like i need a vanilla kernel
[06:58] <Giksaw> PhinnFort:  holw long they exist?
[06:58] <pag> aldanon, that sounds far too complicated for my skills - sorry.
[06:58] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: canonical has been around for many years
[06:59] <Giksaw> PhinnFort:  and what their motive to support that? are they getting any income out of it?
[06:59] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: they sell support, etc. and they have a large deal with dell, amongst others
[06:59] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: it's founded by Mark Shuttleworth, who also founded Thawthe Security (which your bank may use)
[07:00] <deviance> Is the application finder called kappfinder
[07:00] <PhinnFort> deviance: yeah
[07:00] <aldanon> i understand pag
[07:00] <PhinnFort> I don't
[07:01] <aldanon> i'm no expert, in fact i'm quite new at this heh...just had a lot of help last night hehe
[07:01] <Giksaw> PhinnFort:  why it seems that kubuntu works slower than xp? also firefox
[07:02] <Giksaw> PhinnFort:  it thinks a lot
[07:02] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: do you have the right graphics card drivers installed?
[07:02] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: which version of kubuntu are you using?
[07:02] <SlimeyPete> Firefox is quite a slow program
[07:02] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: if you use gutsy, strigi will probably hog some cpu the first minutes/hours
[07:02] <Tonren> Has anyone had trouble recording in Audacity?
[07:03] <PhinnFort> Tonren: tried KRec?
[07:03] <ScorpKing> Tonren: does it pick up your soundcard?
[07:04] <Giksaw> PhinnFort:  I just clicked on help under k menu, it took 5 seconds to open it. it cannot be this situation
[07:04] <Giksaw> I use 7. something
[07:04] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: the Help reader is slow
[07:04] <Tonren> On record, I can see the Microphone monitor go up and down.  On playback, I can see the speaker monitor go up and down.  However, no other indications of sound being recorded are there (no waveform appears).
[07:04] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: type /sysinfo and hit enter
[07:04] <Giksaw> PhinnFort:  in that chat?
[07:04] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: yes
[07:04] <Giksaw> /sysinfo
[07:05] <PhinnFort> Sysinfo for 'lejon': Linux 2.6.22-12-generic running KDE 3.5.7, CPU: Intel(R) Core 2 Duo CPU     T7500  @ 2.20GHz at 800 MHz (4389 bogomips), HD: 68/89GB, RAM: 689/2006MB, 131 proc's, 45.18min up
[07:05] <PhinnFort> no space before it
[07:05] <aldanon> so any compiling wizards in the house?
[07:06] <Tonren> Actually...
[07:06] <pag> Giksaw, which program are you using? (Kopete / Konversation / other)
[07:06] <Tonren> PhinnFort: ScorpKing: Audacity isn't playing properly.  I can load an MP3 and see the waveforms, and when I play, I see the speaker monitor move, but no sound is actually coming out.
[07:06] <PhinnFort> Tonren: have you tried the program KRec?
[07:06] <pag> Tonren, disable KDE sound server
[07:07] <Tonren> pag: How do I do that?
[07:07] <ScorpKing> Tonren: also check your audio settings under audacity.
[07:08] <pag> Tonren, kcontrol -> sound & multimedia -> sound system -> uncheck "Enable Sound System"
[07:08] <Giksaw> pag:  kopete
[07:08] <Tonren> Oh wait, Audacity is now playing properly--I had to set Record and Playback both to /dev/dsp
[07:08] <ScorpKing> :D
[07:08] <pag> Tonren, nice to hear that :)
[07:08] <ScorpKing> Tonren: what version is that?
[07:08] <Giksaw> PhinnFort:  /sysinfo works?
[07:09] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: just type in "/sysinfo" here, without any spaces before or after
[07:09] <PhinnFort> or just tell me the specs on your computer
[07:09] <pag> Giksaw, PhinnFort: /sysinfo is Konversation command iirc..
[07:09] <PhinnFort> yeah
[07:09] <Tonren> ScorpKing: Audacity 1.2.6
[07:09] <PhinnFort> script even
[07:10] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: what else is slow?
[07:10] <Tonren> pag: What is the KDE soudn Server, exactly?
[07:10] <hydrogen> a bitrotted piece of software
[07:10] <ScorpKing> Tonren: oh ok.
[07:10] <PhinnFort> Tonren: hit alt+f2 and type in "kcontrol", and hit enter
[07:10] <hydrogen> that deserves to be thrown out a seventh or eighth story window
[07:10] <hydrogen> at the very least
[07:11] <Semmi> hi
[07:11] <PhinnFort> and search for sound server
[07:11] <PhinnFort> hydrogen: arts isn't that bad;)
[07:11] <hydrogen> PhinnFort: sure it is
[07:11] <Semmi> can someone help me with autofs
[07:11] <PhinnFort> it only hangs randomly, eats resources for nothing, eats battery, etc
[07:11] <hydrogen> PhinnFort: it rarely works, it hasn't been maintained for a number of years
[07:11] <Semmi> after installing 7.10 beta it doesnt work the way it did before
[07:11] <hydrogen> anyways
[07:11] <hydrogen> off to that class thing
[07:11] <PhinnFort> hydrogen: it does receive patches every now and then, latest to remove some polling
[07:11] <PhinnFort> hydrogen: what class?
[07:11] <Tonren> PhinnFort: Don't worry--I have Kcontrol in my panel anyway.  I'm just curious as to what the sound server is, exactly.
[07:11] <Semmi> doenst mount my nfs "drives"
[07:12] <PhinnFort> Tonren: it's called Arts
[07:12] <PhinnFort> !arts
[07:12] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about arts - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:12] <PhinnFort> Tonren:
[07:12] <Semmi> mounting by console works
[07:12] <PhinnFort> Tonren: it's a buggy piece of software, that plays sound, basically
[07:12] <Tonren> Hey wait, I've made some progress
[07:12] <PhinnFort> Tonren: it's a "server", since it always is in the background, waiting for sound to play
[07:12] <Tonren> I turned off the Sound Server
[07:13] <Giksaw> /sysinfo
[07:13] <Tonren> And now, when I record in Audacity, there's an itty-bitty tiny waveform, and when I play it back, I can just BARELY hear what I recorded, but there's a high-pitched whine/buzz over it
[07:13] <Giksaw> PhinnFort:  I typed it
[07:14] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: do you know the specifications for your computer (processor speed, ram size, etc.)
[07:14] <PhinnFort> ?
[07:14] <Tonren> PhinnFort: ScorpKing: pag: Okay... running with "aoss audacity" gets rid of the whine/buzz, but I can still barely hear my recordings.
[07:14] <Semmi> does someone know wheateher auto.master has to be executable?
[07:14] <Giksaw> 1 gig cpu
[07:14] <Giksaw> PhinnFort: 1 giga RAM
[07:15] <ScorpKing> Tonren: set the volume in Kmix
[07:15] <Tonren> ScorpKing: All of my input volumes are maxed out
[07:15] <PhinnFort> Giksaw: it shouldn't be too bad, but if you feel that KDE/Kubuntu is too slow, you should give Xubuntu/XFCE a try/spin
[07:15] <Giksaw> PhinnFort: what is that?
[07:16] <Tonren> Giksaw: Xubuntu is another flavor of Ubuntu that runs with the Xfce desktop environment & window manager.
[07:16] <clyrrad> something is messed with my APT - can anyone make sense of this? http://rafb.net/p/WxXfiA36.txt
[07:17] <clyrrad> Looks like I have some kind of circular dependency, and apt-get -f install does not work
[07:17] <Tonren> Giksaw: It's generally meant for older computers that can't handle Ubuntu/Kubuntu's system requirements, but some people prefer it anyway for its somewhat minimalistic approach.
[07:18] <Semmi> whats the default password for root login after installation?
[07:18] <Semmi> !root
[07:18] <ubotu> Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[07:18] <Tonren> clyrrad: Have you done an apt-get update recently?
[07:18] <clyrrad> Tonren: Yup sure have
[07:18] <Giksaw> PhinnFort: ok- nevermind. what was the /sysinfo intended for?
[07:18] <Tonren> Semmi: root commands are run by using the "sudo" command and entering your own password
[07:18] <Semmi> sudo cd??
[07:18] <Tonren> Semmi: You can also get to a root console by typing "sudo su", but generally people don't recommend this.
[07:19] <Chousuke> Semmi: no
[07:19] <Tonren> Semmi: You shouldn't need to run sudo just to change directories, no.
[07:19] <Chousuke> Tonren: sudo -i or sudo -s is better
[07:19] <Tonren> Chousuke: Ah-didn't know that.  Thanks!
[07:19] <Chousuke> Tonren: and sudo cd is pointless anyway
[07:19] <Semmi> just need it for testing autofs
[07:19] <Semmi> wheter there is an affect or not
[07:19] <Tonren> Chousuke: I'm aware.
[07:19] <Chousuke> Tonren: try sudo cd:ing to some directory. it just doesn't work :)
[07:19] <clyrrad> Tonren: Its like there is some sort of circular dependecy on this APT, its definaly broken, I dont know how to fix it.  I need to be able to remove these affected dependencies - but the millon dollar question is HOW?
[07:20] <Tonren> Chousuke: I wasn't the one talking about sudo'ing cd, dude.  :P
[07:20] <Semmi> ah thx
[07:20] <Tonren> clyrrad: You use apt-get, not aptitude, right?
[07:20] <clyrrad> correct
[07:20] <Dalton> anyone here running vmware workstation 6 on kubuntu 7.10 beta?
[07:20] <Tonren> clyrrad: Hmm...
[07:21] <Tonren> clyrrad: Maybe if you tried uninstalling adobereader-enu?
[07:21] <Tonren> So, anyone have any hints about my Audacity problems?  The recording volume simply won't rise up enough to be workable.
[07:21] <clyrrad> Tonren: that is what i am doing - see my paste http://rafb.net/p/WxXfiA36.txt very first line
[07:21] <clyrrad> Tonren: I cant remove it - it wont let me
[07:21] <Tonren> clyrrad: Oh dear, sorry--not sure how I missed that.
[07:21] <clyrrad> Yes, thats why i am here.......
[07:21] <Tonren> clyrrad: Try using aptitude instead.
[07:21] <clyrrad> hoping somoene can help me
[07:22] <Tonren> clyrrad: For these particular commands, I mean.
[07:23] <clyrrad> Tonren: is does not matter what I use, the system keeps wanting to install acroread - but it cant be installed becase of the dependency issues I pasted
[07:24] <clyrrad> How can i force remove adobereader-enu............
[07:24] <clyrrad> this is the package / problem thats messed up my APT
[07:24] <clyrrad> I need to some how remove that, but apt-get remove does not work due to the dependecny problem
[07:25] <Giksaw> /message nickserver help
[07:25] <pag> clyrrad, tried " sudo dpkg -r adobereader-enu && sudo dpkg --configure -a "
[07:25] <Tonren> clyrrad: maybe apt-get --purge remove, just throwing out ideas here
[07:25] <Tonren> clyrrad: Also ask in Ubuntu as well
[07:25] <ScorpKing> Tonren: try to munte the unused ones. not sure what else can work.
[07:25] <Tonren> #ubuntu, I meant
[07:25] <Giksaw> /message nickserve help
[07:25] <clyrrad> pag: trying that now
[07:25] <llp78> hello everyone - does anyone know what program i could use to convert a flac to mp3 in kubuntu ?
[07:26] <pag> llp78, sounkonverter is nice
[07:26] <lovre> hi all
[07:26] <pag> llp78, but you'll need lame to encode mp3
[07:26] <llp78> pag: is it GUI?
[07:26] <lovre> im back with some more questions
[07:26] <Giksaw> /m nickserv help
[07:26] <pag> lovre, yup - it is
[07:27] <lovre> how do i change my kubuntu apearence? I downloaded a theme from www.kde-look.org, but i dont know how to apply it. Any tips?
[07:27] <Giksaw> /messssage nickserv help
[07:27] <llp78> pag:i know but the flac file is too big for my phone's sd card
[07:27] <llp78> pag: im gonna try that now thanks for your quick response
[07:28] <pag> llp78, np :)
[07:28] <Giksaw> /message nickserv help
[07:28] <pag> Giksaw, it's /msg NickServ help
[07:28] <ScorpKing> _ /msg nickserv help
[07:28] <uga> lovre: what theme is it... and more importantly, is it a kde theme, kde style, or kde windeco =)
[07:28] <clyrrad> pag: no luck http://rafb.net/p/cXvhH829.txt
[07:28] <clyrrad> Tonren: yes I tried both of those with no luck
[07:29] <Tonren> clyrrad: Sorry man, I got nothin'.
[07:29] <pag> clyrrad, how about sudo dpkg -r acroread-plugins
[07:29] <uga> lovre: they're completely differen things. Themes define a set of settings (colors, fonts, background image, style, windeco)
[07:29] <lovre> uga: i dont really know the difference between thoose....:()
[07:29] <llp78> pag: ive installed it but only allows to ogg not mp3 - ami missing something ?
[07:29] <lovre> uga: and styles?
[07:29] <pag> llp78, package called lame
[07:29] <uga> lovre: windecos are the drawings around your windows. The ones you use to maximise/minimise/got a title... etc
[07:29] <pag> !info lame | llp78
[07:30] <ubotu> llp78: lame: LAME Ain't an MP3 Encoder. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.96.1-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 260 kB, installed size 696 kB
[07:30] <Dr_willis> the 'window border widgets' :)
[07:30] <uga> lovre: and styles are the way everything is drawn: buttons, scrollbars, lists, ...
[07:30] <Semmi> is there anything else than autofs to mount nfs drives when needed
[07:30] <clyrrad> paq: you are the million dollar man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:30] <clyrrad> it worked!
[07:30] <clyrrad> thank-you so much :D
[07:30] <Dr_willis> Semmi,  i wonder if FUSE has a solution for that.. it has 10000000 other solutions for eveyrthing else. :)
[07:30] <ScorpKing> lovre: this is what my desktop looked like yesterday - http://profile.imageshack.us/user/scorpking/images/detail/#219/mydesktop2uq8.jpg
[07:31] <pag> clyrrad, np :)
[07:31] <llp78> pag: your skills are amazing, cheers dude much much thanks
[07:31] <clyrrad> pag: that was driving me absolutly nutz!!!!!!!!
[07:31] <uga> ScorpKing: fugly =)
[07:31] <ScorpKing> lol :D
[07:31] <Giksaw> pag: how to I register the user name?
[07:31] <pag> !register | Giksaw
[07:31] <ubotu> Giksaw: Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[07:32] <xenol> Hello all/
[07:32] <lovre> i downloaded this: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/NuoveXT2-Theme?content=66685
[07:32] <lovre> how do i install it?
[07:32] <pag> Giksaw, I'd sugges you'd use Konversation instad of Kopete - Kopete isn't really a IRC-client
[07:32] <ScorpKing> hiya poison--. :)
[07:32] <Semmi> the drives just wont mount
[07:32] <Semmi> everything worked fine before changing to 7.10 beta
[07:32] <Semmi> mounting via console works
[07:32] <Semmi> just that fkn autofs
[07:33] <Giksaw> pag: is konversation free?
[07:33] <deviance> Yes
[07:33] <pag> Giksaw, free as in beer and speech - and it's there by default :)
[07:33] <poison--> sup guys
[07:33] <ScorpKing> Giksaw: yes and installed by default
[07:34] <Dr_willis> I perfer Free as in Love. :)
[07:34] <Giksaw> pag: ok Im connecting
[07:34] <epsilorn> hi all! I've got a pair of problems on kubuntu may I ask to you?
[07:35] <Dr_willis> Ever have a hard time trying to get a windows user to understand that  The 'Openoffice.org' cd you are giving him is LEGAL? :)
[07:35] <deviance> Shoot epsilorn
[07:35] <Dr_willis> 'how can they just give it away....' :)
[07:35] <pag> !ask | epsilorn
[07:35] <ubotu> epsilorn: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:35] <ScorpKing> Dr_willis: i gave up trying. they just don't get it.
[07:36] <giksaw_> pag: ?
[07:36] <epsilorn> ok i've got an ATI hd 2400 it seems working 'cause fglxgears run smoothly, the problem is when i start openarena it runs well but when i try to change video setting it crashes
[07:36] <Dr_willis> Then they try it.. and ((#&@&@ that its not identical to Office.. :)
[07:36] <Dr_willis> but then you explain that  they now have $200+ more in their pocket.
[07:36] <ScorpKing> yeah
[07:36] <pag> giksaw_, you should probably close Kopete and then command /nick Giksaw  in Konversation
[07:36] <lovre> i downloaded this: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/NuoveXT2-Theme?content=66685
[07:36] <lovre> how do i install it?
[07:37] <poison--> HI Dr_willis
[07:37] <Tonren> I'm trying to record in Audacity.  All of my input volumes are maxed out (in my ALSA mixer and in Audacity itself), but I can still barely hear my recordings.
[07:38] <poison--> BRB
[07:38] <ScorpKing> lovre: there is a few things you still have to download and do.
[07:38] <lovre> ScorpKing: what are those things?
[07:39] <lovre> ScorpKing: sory for bothering
[07:39] <ScorpKing> lovre: gimme a sec. just checking something...
[07:40] <ScorpKing> lovre: i'll walk you through it.
[07:40] <llp78> pag: do you know why i cant load flac files into soundKonverter ?
[07:40] <ScorpKing> lovre: go to konsole and type sudo aptitude install kbfx
[07:40] <lovre> ScorpKing: im sorry, i have to go afk for a while, will you be here later? sorryyyyy
[07:41] <giksaw_> pag, how do I change back the nick
[07:41] <ScorpKing> yes
[07:41] <epsilorn> Hi all, got a problem: i've got an ATI hd 2400 it seems working 'cause fglxgears run smoothly, the problem is when i start openarena it runs well but when i try to change video setting it crashes
[07:41] <pag> llp78, you should be able to...
[07:41] <llp78> not a supported file type :-(
[07:41] <pag> giksaw_, /nick DesiredNick
[07:41] <lovre> ScorpKing: thank you very much, il be back later
[07:41] <ScorpKing> np :D
[07:41] <Lovre`bbiab> bbiab
[07:41] <giksaw_> it says it is already in use
[07:42] <giksaw_> pag, it says it is in use
[07:42] <pag> giksaw_, do you still have Kopete open?
[07:42] <giksaw_> I closed it
[07:42] <giksaw_> pag, I closed it
[07:43] <pag> giksaw_, check in tray ;) KDE usually just minimises apps there
[07:43] <Giksaw> pag, ok
[07:44] <pag> llp78, do you have " flac " installed?
[07:44] <pag> Giksaw, then you should look at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration for information and instructions on user registartion
[07:45] <ubuntu__> hye
[07:46] <adlisyakir> hye
[07:46] <adlisyakir> how to create dual boot like using vista and kubuntu?
[07:46] <llp78> pag: is that an extrapackagelike Lame ?i can play the flac files -
[07:46] <adlisyakir> why.. i 'm try with install windows first.. and then kubuntu, its not show me dual boot to choose
[07:47] <adlisyakir> so, try n try... many times.. it still same
[07:47] <pag> llp78, I'm not sure.. I just have a feeling, that that package might be important :)
[07:47] <llp78> pag :-) just installing
[07:48] <llp78> llp78 oh look its working - thanks genius
[07:48] <JuJuBee> How do I share a USB printer connected to my computer?
[07:52] <Dr_willis> JuJuBee,  to a windows machine. Use samba
[07:53] <acemo> should ftp be able to transfer a zip file in ascii mode?
[07:54] <JuJuBee> nm, I got it.  needed to set up cups server...
[07:54] <JuJuBee> Thanks Dr. Willis.
[07:55] <Dr_willis> acemo,  for binary files. You want to enable binary mode. I recall.. from ages ago...
[07:55] <Dr_willis> havent heard about binary/ascii file transfers/modes in years.. :P
[07:56] <acemo> Dr_willis: tnx, i just need to implement the minimum of the ftp rfc, wich says ascii mode, but i was afraid i did something wrong because zip file didnt went too well
[07:59] <fevel_> hey...can I change the font collor of the taskbar?
[07:59] <pag> fevel_, ink KDE 3.5.7 you can :)
[08:02] <ilia> hi there need help with USB automount
[08:05] <Riddell> Riderxsjado23: hmm?
[08:06] <fevel_> Pag: how?
[08:08] <hero> how do you disable the float-over descriptions on panel objects?
[08:08] <Dalton> is there a how-to to put 7.10 on a usb key?
[08:10] <giksaw>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY savicevic1
[08:10] <fevel_> thanks for your password
[08:10] <fevel_> hope youdont use it for everything
[08:10] <fevel_> lol
[08:11] <llp78> oh no
[08:11] <llp78> :-)
[08:12] <fevel_> anyone know how I can change the font collor for the taskbar?
[08:12] <giksaw> oops
[08:13] <Third_Paradox> hi all, I have a problem with apt-get, I keep trying to install stuff and it spits back Error 1 all the time, not even sudo "dpkg --configure -a" is helping, it keeps saying dependency problems...
[08:14] <Third_Paradox> is this the right place to ask for help?
[08:14] <Third_Paradox> *sudo dpkg --configure -a*
[08:15] <giksaw> ?
[08:18] <Third_Paradox> can anyone help me or point me somewhere whereI can ge help?
[08:19] <Third_Paradox> all the forums I've looks at arn't to helpful andd this is kinda urgent - any help would be greatly appreciated
[08:19] <Third_Paradox> :)
[08:20] <llp78> Third_Paradox: out the box apt-get works perfect on a clean install - how did this error occur
[08:20] <Third_Paradox> trying to install qt
[08:20] <Third_Paradox> and then tetex-base
[08:21] <Third_Paradox> it's having problems with linux-image-something
[08:21] <Third_Paradox> and now all the tetex dependencies
[08:22] <Third_Paradox> I need to do a 'reset' on my packages or something (at least I think)
[08:24] <Third_Paradox> i can get the package names but i don'ty think it's the packages specificaally that are the problem (thx for any help btw)
[08:29] <monolith> Does KWallet actualy encrypt passwords?
[08:29] <monolith> Or any other data you store in it
[08:32] <herchu-1234> hi there. I am playing with my network settings  for a laptop. I configured wired and wireless following this howto: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=318539. I have just one question: If I do '/etc/init.d/networking restart', with my current settings (dhcp for both wired and wireless), it tries for about a minute to get a dhcp on eth0, with the cable unplugged. Is it there a way to detect there is no cable and abandon dhcp?
[08:33] <bigleon> Hello, anybody got any recommondationis for alternatives for K-torrent, i'm getting crashes, and files that when started crash the app.
[08:37] <slackern> bigleon: maybe deluge-torrent?
[08:37] <emilsedgh> bigleon: azereus?
[08:40] <bigleon> i heard about deluge, is that really as good as people claim?
[08:40] <bigleon> i heard it was suppose to put Utorrent to shame
[08:41] <slackern> bigleon: i haven't tried the latest versions of it, right now im using ktorrent from the gutsy repos and that works great for me
[08:42] <bigleon> mine has gone wack on my saying .torrents are torrent files -.-
[08:42] <bigleon> aren't*
[08:43] <slackern> bigleon: hmm no idea what could be causing it either =/
[08:43] <bigleon> Yeah... really disappointing i've been starting to like ktorrent other than fact that it doesn't seem to go aboe 50kb/s on an internet that peaks at over 1800
[08:45] <bigleon> although i'm sure college network isn't helping lol
[08:45] <bigleon> oh and i keep getting this error about not being able to write files...
[08:46] <navets> hello
[08:46] <slackern> bigleon: i get around 3.5 megabytes/sec with ktorrent here and that is about the max i can get during daytime, haven't tried so much during late nights when the network isn't so congested
[08:46] <bigleon> i'd be happy with 1mbs lol
[08:47] <slackern> bigleon: oh i mostly was meaning that the software can handle higher speeds than 50kb/s so to say
[08:48] <bigleon> i figured so... I don't think it's a seed problem either, because i'm doing about 15 dls at a time
[08:48] <bigleon> between 15 i should be able to get atleast a little more
[08:48] <slackern> bigleon: personally i haven't noticed any difference between rtorrent/utorrent/ktorrent/azureus/deluge
[08:49] <bigleon> just installed deluge and it won't even start up... so i guess i'm stuck with ktorrent
[08:50] <slackern> bigleon: =/
[08:50] <bigleon> Gah, i've been noticing it alot 1/5 programs seem to ever work after installing...
[08:51] <slackern> bigleon: and here i am running gutsy without any problems :), not in kde though since i felt like giving gnome a little spin for the new release
[08:52] <bigleon> I can't stand gnome... kde strong...
[08:52] <bigleon> I got over 20gb's of music on here... don't really want to manually add my cds again... to upgrade to gutsy
[08:53] <slackern> bigleon: personally i prefer kde also but i do enjoy varying from DE to DE, haven't used a simple WM for a long time though, maybe i should play a little with fluxbox again :)
[08:54] <bigleon> I'm still waiting on ati to pump out there new uber linux friendly driver this month i'm excited
[08:55] <slackern> bigleon: aye it could be nice, i have a x1950 pro card myself so im stuck with some pain here too, but im running the opensource radeonhd driver right now
[08:55] <bigleon> i got an Mobile x1400 and well i can't do shit for 3d or anything for that mater stuck at 1200X800 on my 21 inch widescreen laptop
[08:56] <slackern> bigleon: hmm maybe you can try the opensource driver, which chip is it on the x1400?
[08:56] <bigleon> Not sure
[08:56] <slackern> bigleon: just a min will check
[08:56] <bigleon> Ati radeon is all i know
[08:57] <kaminix> How can I re-encode from .sub -> .srt?
[08:58] <slackern> bigleon: do a lspci -v and check the device id of your card, if it says 7145 it could work
[08:59] <bigleon> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GM/PM/GMS/940GML and 945GT Expr
[08:59] <bigleon> ess Memory Controller Hub (rev 03)
[09:00] <bigleon> one sec i'm an idiot
[09:00] <bigleon> lol
[09:00] <slackern> hehe
[09:00] <bigleon> kk found vid card
[09:01] <bigleon> where is the number i'm looking for?
[09:01] <slackern> under a line such as this one 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV570 [Radeon X1950 Pro]  there should be something about device and then a 4 letter number
[09:03] <Kachna> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3087051.0;prev_next=prev#new
[09:03] <bigleon> http://paste-it.net/3788
[09:03] <bigleon> look at that
[09:03] <slackern> bigleon: aye thats it, let me check the device id list in the code
[09:05] <slackern> bigleon:  0x7145, 0x1028, 0x2002, "Dell Inspiron 9400", PANEL_B2_VGA_A0_DVI_A10 it's included here in the ID list so you could maybe try the opensource driver, it's not exactly fast, it's like running the vesa driver in it's current state
[09:05] <bigleon> see one i got is slow
[09:05] <slackern> bigleon: but maybe you get proper resolutions and stuff atleast?
[09:05] <bigleon> and doesnt' support 1400X900 res
[09:05] <bigleon> one i'm using is Fgrlx
[09:05] <bigleon> i think
[09:06] <slackern> bigleon: anyhow, you would have to compile it yourself and download the source code and stuff, maybe it's a little too much work, i don't know how much you want to mess with it either
[09:07] <slackern> there is also a channel here for the driver #radeonhd with all the driver developers in it
[09:07] <bigleon> Well i got all afternoon, but i'm not that bright when it comes to complining etc
[09:07] <slackern> bigleon: so you can talk to them directly
[09:13] <plukin> d
[09:16] <ScorpKing> u
[09:17] <ScorpKing> what program runs straight after login from kdm? after the auth stuff.
[09:33] <ScorpKing> Kachna: "(EE) xf86OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/wacom" might be fixed with - http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=7964.0;topicseen
[09:35] <Kachna> ScorpKing: thx, was annoying :-) wanted to remove only these 1st 3 things,would fail a bit i see :-)
[09:36] <ScorpKing> :) np
[09:38] <uga> ScorpKing: I'd guess... startkde
[09:38] <ScorpKing> that's a script right?
[09:39] <uga> yes
[09:39] <uga> you can edit it
[09:39] <uga> bona tarda, tsdgeos
[09:40] <ScorpKing> thanks. found it - /usr/bin/startkde
[09:40] <tsdgeos> uga: i only know how to say bye in euskara, not hello :D
[09:40] <tsdgeos> kaixo!
[09:40] <uga> lol, kaixo
[09:40] <tsdgeos> i remembered
[09:40] <BluesKaj> howdy ?
[09:40] <BluesKaj> :)
[09:40] <tsdgeos> or kaixo wasn't hello?
[09:41] <tsdgeos> doo, kaixo is thanks :D
[09:41] <tsdgeos> ah no, kaixo is hello
[09:42] <tsdgeos> ok, i stop spamming the channel
[09:43] <uga> tsdgeos: kaixo==hello
[09:43] <uga> =)
[09:43] <[ifr0g] > Ok, An hp photosmart c3183 ! which driver ?
[09:44] <uga> [ifr0g] : doesn't it appear on the list?
[09:45] <[ifr0g] > uga, i should be looking under usb, right ! if so no i dont see it.
[09:46] <uga> [ifr0g] : checking myself...
[09:46] <uga> [ifr0g] : it should be under HP
[09:46] <uga> not sure where you are looking
[09:46] <[ifr0g] > looking at printers under kcontrol.
[09:46] <uga> [ifr0g] : kcontrol->peripherals->printers-> yes
[09:47] <[ifr0g] > excatly.
[09:47] <uga> it should show manufacturer on the left (hp,epson, ...) and models on the right
[09:48] <uga> if you choose HP, the closest I can see is PhotoSmart C3100
[09:48] <uga> possibly it's the same driver
[09:48] <[ifr0g] > funny, I dont see any thing like that..
[09:48] <uga> uhm... I do here, in gutsy
[09:49] <[ifr0g] > i see a list that goes, like this --> advanced faxing tool, mail pdf file, print to file, print to file, send to fax
[09:49] <uga> uhm?
[09:49] <uga> [ifr0g] : you need to create a new printer first
[09:50] <hero> how do you disable the float-over descriptions on panel objects?
[09:50] <uga> [ifr0g] : on the top toolbar, the first button reads "add printer/class"
[09:50] <[ifr0g] > uga, ok, then i choose.. local printer..
[09:50] <tuco_> hello all. I am trying to find out why the laptop pad is so sensitive in kubuntu. Just by moving the arrow on a link it clicks and it is often annoying as it opens sites or links I just don't want to open. Any help welcome.
[09:50] <[ifr0g] > i see the USB list empty..
[09:50] <uga> is the printer on, and plugged to usb?
[09:51] <fdoving> hero: rightclick on panel -> configure panel -> appearance -> enable icon mouseover effects.
[09:51] <hero> thank you
[09:51] <[ifr0g] > uga, let me replug it.
[09:51] <kkathman> anyone here using the nvidia driver? If so, do you see the nVidia splash screen on bootup?
[09:52] <christian_> some body can help me_
[09:52] <uga> kkathman: the splash can be disabled. I believe kubuntu disables it in lrm modules
[09:52] <christian_> i wannt changue the language
[09:53] <kkathman> uga ahh ok I just wondered cuz Im just not 100% sure my driver is being loaded
[09:53] <kkathman> the xorg.conf dictates that it is tho
[09:54] <uga> christian_: kmenu->system settings->regional &language ->install new language
[09:54] <Giksaw> hi
[09:54] <tuco_> nobody who can help me please?
[09:55] <parsnip> hey guys
[09:55] <uga> kkathman: easy to test: glxinfo |grep version
[09:55] <[ifr0g] > uga, Still the same. well i dont think the device was ever created..
[09:55] <[ifr0g] > here is a two liner..
[09:55] <uga> kkathman: that should show a line with nvidia and version number
[09:55] <[ifr0g] > Oct  3 22:51:38 blackbox hp: unable to open /var/run/hplip/hpiod.port: No such file or directory: api/hplip_api.c 93
[09:55] <[ifr0g] > Oct  3 22:51:38 blackbox hp: unable to connect hpiod socket 2208: Connection refused: api/hplip_api.c 721
[09:55] <kkathman> uga wont that just say whether its installed or not ??
[09:55] <parsnip> I'm having difficulty with my Philips GoGear hdd070/05 MP3 player
[09:55] <uga> [ifr0g] : you don't see any usb devices in the list???
[09:55] <uga> [ifr0g] : did you enter administrator mode?
[09:56] <christian_> uga
[09:56] <christian_> says
[09:56] <christian_> Us English
[09:56] <[ifr0g] > yes, i see nothing.
[09:56] <christian_> only
[09:56] <christian_> hoiw can add language?
[09:56] <[ifr0g] > uga, done it both ways.
[09:56] <parsnip> i cant find how to mount it in KUbuntu and all the walkthus say /dev/sda1 which is my sata hdd mounted on /
[09:56] <Giksaw> I just installed Kubuntu. Gmail doesnt display my emails. Need help!!
[09:57] <parsnip> uga: I cannot see it
[09:57] <parsnip> uga: its not present in the list, only can see my card readers and my optical / hdd drives
[09:58] <ScorpKing> Giksaw: to you see a screen full of text in konqueror?
[09:59] <parsnip> uga: modprobe usb-storage shows nothing
[09:59] <Giksaw> ScorpKing: yes- full of jibrish
[09:59] <uga> parsnip: sorry,  I don't know anything about that player, myself
[09:59] <ScorpKing> Giksaw: look for a link in there that sais [HTML View]  and click on it
[10:00] <uga> [ifr0g] : uhm, I can't guess why the printer doesn't turn up on the list. It's very strange for a usb printer
[10:01] <[ifr0g] > uga, i remmber i stoped the cups server from starting ..
[10:01] <[ifr0g] > but i started it manually this time
[10:01] <[ifr0g] > any other service i should be aware of.
[10:02] <uga> christian_: as I said you must PRESS "Install NEW LANGUAGE"
[10:02] <parsnip> uga: there is a hiddev0 in my /dev folder but it doesnt seem to be mountable using sudo mount /dev/hiddev0 -t vfat /mnt/gogear
[10:02] <uga> christian_: that will show you a long language after the password
[10:03] <uga> [ifr0g] : heh, cups is needed =)
[10:03] <genii> parsnip: It could be some other /dev/sdX where X is a different letter than / or so on. Does sudo fdisk -l show a drive the size it should be?
[10:03] <christian_> okay
[10:03] <christian_> uga
[10:03] <[ifr0g] > and hplip ?
[10:04] <uga> christian_: once done, the new language will appear on the list
[10:04] <[ifr0g] > uga, ^
[10:04] <AV1611> greeting to all! did anybody experience some kind of unusual things at the shutdown process like an yellow screen?
[10:04] <parsnip> uga: i'll check
[10:04] <AV1611> kubuntu710
[10:04] <AV1611> beta
[10:04] <genii> AV1611: Ask in #ubuntu+1
[10:04] <christian_> okay
[10:05] <AV1611> ok
[10:05] <christian_> thank u so much
[10:05] <genii> AV1611: if KDE perhaps #kubuntu-devel
[10:05] <parsnip> uga: will that show all disks or just the on that the pwd path is on?
[10:06] <parsnip> uga: looks like its a no brainer, its a Windows hugging device :(
[10:06] <parsnip> uga: cheers for the advice though dude
[10:06] <reini> hi
[10:06] <uga> [ifr0g] : possibly needed as part of the hp printing system, but it's cups that will use it
[10:07] <uga> parsnip: you're confusing me with someone else
[10:07] <uga> parsnip: genii
[10:07] <uga> genii: hi there =)
[10:07] <genii> uga: Hey
[10:08] <tuco_> Anyone who could tell me how to reduce the sensitivity of my touchpad it is driving me bongo!
[10:08] <genii> Ah OK
[10:08] <genii> parsnip: sudo fdisk -l     should show ALL things it considers to be hard drives or mass storage
[10:08] <[ifr0g] > uga, Cool :) thanx that did the trick..
[10:09] <uga> heh
[10:09] <Giksaw> ScorpKing: but I want standard view.
[10:10] <[ifr0g] > uga, pheww. the printing works..  How about the scanner :)
[10:10] <genii> parsnip: You alive?
[10:10] <ScorpKing> Giksaw: i'm not sure how to do that. browsing does not work at all in kongueror for me so i installed firefox.
[10:11] <[ifr0g] > what program is the best ?
[10:11] <ScorpKing> thanks genii :)
[10:11] <genii> ScorpKing: Thanks for the snack
[10:11] <Giksaw> ScorpKing: ok- so I wont use konqueeror
[10:11] <uga> [ifr0g] : that's harder. You need to use sane/xsane
[10:12] <ScorpKing> Giksaw: yeah, unless you can figure out what's wrong. i haven't. :(
[10:12] <genii> uga: I suspect parsnip left/ghosted
[10:12] <[ifr0g] > uga, ok.. will give it a shot
[10:12] <uga> [ifr0g] : there's also kooka for kde, but I believe it's going deprecated
[10:12] <mishehu> Giksaw: what are you breaking now?  *grin*
[10:12] <uga> or unmaintainted
[10:12] <genii> Too bad, Kooka is nice
[10:12] <uga> yeah
[10:13] <[ifr0g] > xsane*
[10:13] <parsnip> uga: sorry man, on a win32 lappy
[10:13] <ScorpKing> ew..
[10:13] <parsnip> uga: i think the power in the device is dead as it wont pickup in windows either, well, it trys then dies
[10:14] <uga> genii: will we swap nicks so that parsnip targets you properly? =)
[10:14] <Giksaw> mishehu: grin?
[10:15] <genii> uga: LOL
[10:15] <uga> genii: okay,... this confirms it "Kooka was dropped from the  kdegraphics module for KDE 4. The reason for this is the lack of active development and maintenance for long time."
[10:15] <uga> from kooka.kde.org
[10:16] <mishehu> Giksaw: grin == Hiyuch
[10:16] <genii> parsnip: I was the one speaking to you of : sudo fdisk -l     and so on but you mistook me for uga
[10:16] <Giksaw> mishehu: ok
[10:16] <genii> uga: Damn. Maybe there will be a digiKam sane method
[10:16] <mishehu> Giksaw: just fyi, I have used Konqueror in the past, and haven't had a problem with it, it's just different from firefox.
[10:17] <parsnip> genii: cool man, i'm gonna split and pull this one as warranty
[10:17] <parsnip> uga: cheers for the help man
[10:17] <parsnip> uga: genii: peace out dudes
[10:17] <genii> parsnip: Have fun :)
[10:17] <jose> Hola
[10:17] <genii> Well that was slightly amusing
[10:17] <uga> genii: scanning is possible through libkscan
[10:17] <uga> without it
[10:18] <uga> just a standalone app is always nice
[10:18] <genii> uga: I am still so used to scanimage LOL
[10:18] <uga> heh
[10:18] <genii> But of course not many like the CLI
[10:18] <uga> genii: that's like using vi to edit jpegs
[10:18] <uga> not nice =)(
[10:18] <ScorpKing> lol
[10:19] <Giksaw> mishehu: it doesnt work with gmail the right way.
[10:19] <mishehu> Giksaw: probably a javascript problem.
[10:20] <mic> Is there a way to extract attachments from kmail, so that they are no longer saved in the mailbase?
[10:20] <ScorpKing> heh, now konqueror has internet. wtf?
[10:20] <uga> genii: uhm, at the end he thanked ME for helping??? =)
[10:21] <DrakeJustice_unt> you guys should try the preview of my metadistro... SLinux... it's seriously easier than kubuntu, because it is based on it
[10:21] <uga> genii: was that sarcasm, a joke, or the guy is completely lost on IRC? =)
[10:21] <genii> uga: Nah, just     scanimage -d /dev/loop0  | picname.pnm
[10:21] <genii> uga: i think he was just truly lost
[10:22] <DrakeJustice_unt> anyone in here need any help?
[10:22] <ScorpKing> me
[10:22] <tuco_> please people. I really need to sort my touchpad as it is really annoying.
[10:22] <ScorpKing> konqueror has internet about once a month. :( i have to use firefox.
[10:23] <tuco_> Drake I do!
[10:23] <christian_> uga
[10:23] <tuco_> with my touchpad...
[10:24] <uga> tuco_: tried installing qsynaptics?
[10:24] <tuco_> No
[10:24] <christian_> uga
[10:24] <tuco_> What do I have to do?
[10:24] <tuco_> just use adept?
[10:24] <christian_> how can changue the language of keyboard
[10:25] <uga> tuco_: try ksynaptics or qsynaptics. Both should help
[10:25] <uga> yes
[10:25] <tuco_> OK trying that :-)
[10:26] <mic> Is there anyone who can help me with extracting attachments from kmail?
[10:26] <Lynoure> mic: what's the problem?
[10:26] <uga> tuco_: sorry, better ksynaptics
[10:26] <christian_> how can changue the language of keyboard_
[10:27] <uga> tuco_: it'll be embedded into kcontrol. I cant' see something specific about sensitivity in qsynaptics, but I can, in ksynaptics
[10:27] <mic> Lynoure: I want to extract the attachment, not only save it, so that it is no longer in the mailbase
[10:27] <tuco_> OK Uga
[10:27] <tuco_> downloading it
[10:27] <Lynoure> mic: oh, not sure how to do that. I'll poke around for a bit.
[10:27] <uga> christian_: kmenu->system settings->regional & language->keyboard layout
[10:28] <christian_> all options are in blank
[10:29] <uga> tuco_: http://www.kde-apps.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/17286-1.png
[10:29] <uga> tuco_: that's what you need
[10:30] <uga> part of ksynaptics
[10:30] <Lynoure> mic: I don't think there is any native way to do that. There is http://jice.free.fr/kmailpt/ but I have never tried it
[10:30] <tuco_> I get please add option "SHMconfig"on" into the touch pad section of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:30] <christian_> uga
[10:30] <christian_> okay
[10:30] <christian_> is
[10:30] <christian_> ready
[10:30] <christian_> :D
[10:30] <christian_> thank u
[10:30] <uga> tuco_: oh, better do so, then. Does it mentoin what section? mouse?
[10:30] <genii> tuco: If ksynaptics does not work, there is an old-fashioned method described here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-77099.html although you may have a different make of touchpad etc the principle is the same
[10:30] <mic> Lynoure: Ah, ok, tahk you. I'll look at that.
[10:30] <tuco_> nope
[10:30] <uga> christian_: enjoy it ;)
[10:30] <tuco_> lost here
[10:31] <Lynoure> mic: workaround way: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdepim/kmail/faq.html#id2590594
[10:31] <uga> tuco_: you have an example here http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=975421
[10:31] <christian_> :D
[10:32] <waylandbill_> tuco_: all you need is to text edit the file as root adding that option. I'm sure uga's link will help.
[10:33] <tuco_> don't have synaptics touchpad anywhere :-(
[10:33] <Kachna> lol :O
[10:33] <uga> tuco_: you should have an input device though
[10:33] <tuco_> Yes
[10:33] <tuco_> plenty
[10:33] <uga> that's the one
[10:33] <uga> well, the one that points to psaux
[10:33] <Kachna> cleaned wacom stuff from xorg and starting apps is WAY faster :P
[10:34] <uga> tuco_: look for the one mentioning Option        "Device"        "/dev/psaux"
[10:34] <uga> or /dev/mouse, maybe
[10:34] <waylandbill_> generally commenting out the wacom entries are a good idea if you don't have a tablet.
[10:35] <genii> Yes the wacom entries are annoying
[10:35] <tuco_> not there uga
[10:35] <Kachna> well i don't have any,so i got errors when it was looking for them and it took almost 2s to start konsole :O
[10:35] <uga> tuco_: maybe you could paste your xorg.conf in http://rafb.net/paste?
[10:35] <uga> tuco_: maybe you could paste your xorg.conf in http://rafb.net/paste ?
[10:35] <uga> heh, the ? was breakign the url for me
[10:36] <mic> Lynoure: That may work for now, but it would be nice to have it integrated to help tame the mail archive. Thx for your help.
[10:37] <tuco_> there: http://rafb.net/p/GsPWmF85.html
[10:37] <ZombB> Hi everybody!
[10:37] <tuco_> back in 15 min sorry guys
[10:37] <waylandbill_> the synaptics device uses the synaptics driver, so searching the file for that should show it too.
[10:38] <uga> tuco_:         Identifier  "Configured Mouse
[10:38] <uga> that should be the one, since you got no other mouse input device
[10:38] <jpwhiting> hi all, I did https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI?highlight=%28binary%29%7C%28ati%29#head-99489608eb537a1a0346cdd3ad34209d7887714a to try latest ati driver, but now went back to radeon, as the latest ati driver isn't for my card
[10:38] <jpwhiting> which is fine, but I don't have /usr/lib/libGL.so anymore
[10:38] <waylandbill_> jpwhiting: what card is it?
[10:38] <jpwhiting> and aptitude reinstall libgl1-mesa-glx doesn't add it for some reason
[10:38] <uga> tuco_: other than wacom ones. Which, as suggested by waylandbill_, it may be better removing, later
[10:38] <jpwhiting> X300
[10:39] <Lynoure> mic: I agree. Might be worth contacting the kmail developers about
[10:39] <jpwhiting> waylandbill_: any idea how I can get libGL.so back?
[10:39] <Lynoure> mic: (for you to contact them, I mean, I don't regularly use kmail)
[10:40] <ardchoille> jpwhiting: I don't have that file either
[10:41] <xenol> please i dled and installed some emoticon pack to kopete
[10:41] <DrakeJustice_unt> tuco: kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf  ; then Edit -> Find "Touchpad" section and add what it told you... pretty self explanitory...
[10:41] <xenol> but deleted and now cant restore the orinigal one :S no smiles in option :/
[10:41] <uga> ardchoille: it's a symlink to lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 2007-10-03 21:41 /usr/lib/libGL.so -> libGL.so.1
[10:41] <ardchoille> uga: Oh, ok
[10:41] <uga> ardchoille: which is a symlink to .. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2007-10-03 21:41 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.100.14.19   in my case
[10:41] <uga> but those are nvidia ones
[10:42] <uga> not sure how ati handles those
[10:42] <ardchoille> uga:  lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2007-09-29 12:40 /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.0.9631
[10:42] <mic> Maybe I'll check, if this is already on the wishlist or not.
[10:42] <jpwhiting> uga: and when I try to re-install xorg-driver-fglrx it gives some error about lock file...
[10:42] <uga> ardchoille: ah, same
[10:43] <uga> jpwhiting: maybe you need to stop some process like xorg that may be locking the file
[10:43] <uga> not sure
[10:43] <jpwhiting> nm, doesn't do thatt anymore
[10:43] <uga> heh
[10:43] <kinkajou> hey can one of you guys help me out with css?
[10:43] <kinkajou> i got it installed
[10:43] <kinkajou> and like idk what to do <--- complete noob
[10:43] <uga> css? cascade stylesheets?
[10:43] <kinkajou> counter strike
[10:43] <kinkajou> lol
[10:43] <uga> oh heh
[10:44] <uga> sorry, games are too high-tech for me. I'm not clued =)
[10:44] <ardchoille> I don't do games
[10:44] <kinkajou> damn..
[10:44] <xenol> plz where r located kopete smiles?
[10:44] <uga> I mean... building your custom kernel is simple, coding your own driver for the motherboard's pci is simple too... but... using games... is out of my reach ;)
[10:44] <kinkajou> cause i followed a guide to run on linux, and it made an excutable file, and idk how to run it.....clicking on it does nothing
[10:45] <genii> xenol: You are just better off to do:  sudo apt-get install --reinstall kopete
[10:45] <ardchoille> xenol:  /usr/share/apps/kopete/styles ?
[10:45] <uga> kinkajou: try "sh filename" from command line
[10:46] <ScorpKing> xenol: download more kopete smiles from http://www.kde-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=23&PHPSESSID=62d07ec5f53954514be315fc7e89d951
[10:46] <ardchoille> xenol: When searching for stuff like that, the first place to look is /usr/share/apps/app_name_here
[10:46] <waylandbill_> kinkajou: it supposedly runs under wine. try http://winehq.org
[10:46] <kinkajou> "sh: Can't open steam"
[10:46] <uga> oh, it's a wine app? heh
[10:46] <kinkajou> well its a windows app
[10:46] <kinkajou> so i eguss
[10:46] <kinkajou> geuss*
[10:46] <uga> kinkajou: then "wine filename"
[10:46] <uga> =)
[10:46] <genii> ardchoille, ScorpKing He has tinkered with adding then deleting themes so as a precaution i suggested a --reinstall
[10:47] <kinkajou> <-- never installed wine
[10:47] <uga> kinkajou: if you don't have it installed, then apt-get install wine  first
[10:47] <kinkajou> lol
[10:47] <xenol> genii: didnt help still no smiles :/
[10:47] <root____> I tried to install this theme baghira but I get the message saying my c compiler can't make executables
[10:47] <xenol> ardchoille: sec i give ti a try
[10:47] <jpwhiting> uga: that did it, perfect, thanks
[10:47] <ardchoille> xenol: I think you should listen to genii
[10:47] <genii> xenol: It likely will not take effect until next time you restart kopete
[10:48] <jeri> hi everyone!
[10:48] <xenol> genii: restart kde?
[10:48] <ardchoille> hi jeri
[10:48] <ScorpKing> genii: that or maybe delete the config from .kde/share/apps/kopete...
[10:48] <genii> xenol: no
[10:48] <kinkajou> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[10:48] <kinkajou> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[10:48] <kinkajou> for apt get wine
[10:48] <genii> ScorpKing: Yeah, if --reinstall has no effect :/
[10:48] <ScorpKing> !wine
[10:48] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:48] <kinkajou> k ty
[10:48] <ardchoille> !sudo | kinkajou
[10:48] <ubotu> kinkajou: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:48] <uga> kinkajou: apt-get can only be run by root. "sudo apt-get install..."
[10:49] <ScorpKing> nite guys. have fun! :)
[10:49] <jeri> how do i know if my universe and multiverse in dapper are functioning?
[10:49] <ardchoille> nn ScorpKing
[10:49] <root____> I tried to install this theme baghira but I get the message saying my c compiler can't make executables.. how do I fix that? this is default install of kubuntu
[10:49] <xenol> genii: and?
[10:49] <genii> xenol: When you are doing: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kopete            then kopete should not be open. Open it after this command completes
[10:49] <trevor> Okay...  Can anyone help me with ndiswrapper, and an acer, atheros card?
[10:50] <uga> jeri: if enabled, apt-get update should show those repos and should update from them
[10:50] <ardchoille> root____: You fix that by doing this:  sudo apt-get install kwin-baghira
[10:50] <uga> jeri: and of course new packs will appear
[10:50] <trevor> I've tried acer_acpi, but I don't know if I'm doing it right..
[10:50] <xenol> genii: still same problem
[10:51] <genii> xenol: If same problem persists, then as ScorpKing suggested. rm ~/.kde/share/apps/kopete
[10:51] <jeri> ah ok
[10:51] <root____> ardchoille: thanks.
[10:51] <uga> ardchoille: nein nein. that's only the baghira kwin deco
[10:51] <uga> not the style, which he probably wants =)
[10:52] <ardchoille> uga: That's the kwin AND the style, both. I don't know why the package name is that way
[10:52] <uga> oh, stupid naming then
[10:52] <ardchoille> yeah
[10:52] <jeri> how do is install frostwire?
[10:52] <root____> how do I set it going in kde
[10:52] <crafty_> I'm having a prob
[10:52] <ardchoille> uga: This is what I did with that one package: http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/912/kdeosxlb5.jpg
[10:52] <root____> I'm just switching over from grub this week
[10:52] <root____> i mean from gnome lol
[10:52] <Bleep> hi im back
[10:52] <ardchoille> root____: Hold on, I have a nice tutorial for ya
[10:52] <DrakeJustice_unt> jeri, goto frostwire website... then open the installer with gdebi-gtk... simple
[10:53] <uga> ardchoille: ugh, I hate osx looks =)
[10:53] <Bleep> i have a problem with PPP, can someone help me?
[10:53] <garyNY> question: is it normal that the more consecutive media files i play, whether it uses Amarok or Kaffeine, that eventually all my physical ram (1.5gb) gets used up?
[10:53] <crafty_> I need to open a port that isn't 4662
[10:53] <crafty_> cuz other servers are blocking it
[10:53] <ardchoille> root____: Here's a tutorial, but skip the first step since it's in the repos: http://baghira.sourceforge.net/OS_Clone-en.php
[10:53] <ardchoille> uga: lol
[10:53] <garyNY> it pretty much caps how many media files i can play consecutively before i have to reboot just to clear my ram
[10:54] <usser> garyNY: u mean like one after another if so then no its not normal
[10:54] <garyNY> yeah, the more i play, more ram usage gets accumulated
[10:54] <usser> garyNY: not just loading a big bunch of files into playlist
[10:54] <garyNY> i mean just consecutively
[10:54] <ardchoille> root____: And do NOT use the kxdocker package that's in the repos, it's broken.
[10:54] <Bleep> after PAP authentication is succeeded i get the message "not replacing existing default route via 10.0.0.138"
[10:54] <usser> garyNY: yep thats not normal, but are sure it is amarok or xine that uses up all that memory?
[10:55] <garyNY> i think it's xine, because it affects both Amarok and Kaffeine
[10:55] <xenol> genii: i have no clue i also did sudo apt-get remove kopete tried to reinstall and still prob last :/
[10:55] <xenol> genii: i think its KDE bug
[10:56] <root____> ardchoille: it says to go into look and feel.. I don't see that
[10:56] <xenol> genii: somehow i install some pack of emoticons for example, i dl em and install cant use them since no pics appear, remove them and i cant even use original ones
[10:56] <ardchoille> root____: It means kcontrol
[10:56] <genii> xenol: I think it is more user error to be honest :) If you are now certain kopete has been reinstalled, I would suggest to logout from KDE, restart login manager with ctrlalt-backspace then login again and see if kopete has now same issue
[10:57] <uga> genii: I'm impressed that the cpu temp is never measured over 42C or so, here
[10:57] <ardchoille> root____: It means open kcontrol and go to Appearance & Themes
[10:57] <xenol> genii: =D
[10:57] <garyNY> baghira is a window decoration and widget style
[10:57] <trevor> I can't get my wireless working.  NDISWrapper doesn't like me...
[10:57] <uga> genii: is that normal, or my cooling system looks like a freezer ;)
[10:57] <uga> genii: that's when I'm doing make -j4 and taking over the 4 cpus in an intense compile...
[10:57] <genii> uga: 42 Celcius seems a bit chilly
[10:58] <genii> uga: My cpu is normally running somewhere like 62 - 70 range
[10:58] <uga> genii: I'm thinking if the way the cooler is placed makes the mb not measure properly
[10:58] <trevor> Can anybody help me with acer_acpi?
[10:58] <jeri> how do i install llbxines for mp3 playback 4 amarok?
[10:58] <uga> the bios reads similar values
[10:58] <trevor> jeri: I used Add/Remove Programs...
[10:58] <Kachna> just install all codecs for xine :P
[10:58] <ardchoille> jeri: sudo apt-get install libxine1-ffmpeg
[10:59] <root____> it says to click the bab icon.. I don't see any new icons
[10:59] <hydrogen> temperature:             39 C here
[10:59] <Kachna> these additional ones are useful too :-)
[10:59] <hydrogen> after running for most of the day
[10:59] <ardchoille> root____: It also says to open a terminal and run "bab", you need to read everything in that tut
[10:59] <uga> hydrogen: this one is running at 99% cpu on the 4 cores
[10:59] <garyNY> icon themes are its own thing, it's not part of baghira
[10:59] <uga> =)
[10:59] <xenol> genii: i am not sure if its my fault since i did it and problem last :/
[10:59] <trevor> Well, then, since no one can use NDISwrapper, and we're on a multimedia topic, can anyone tell me how to get alsamixer working on Kubuntu?
[10:59] <uga> hydrogen: building kde4
[11:00] <root____> no it doesnt
[11:00] <jeri> i cant install my adept updater is running
[11:00] <trevor> !alsa
[11:00] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:01] <trevor> !acer
[11:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about acer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:01] <garyNY> you can have baghira decorations, its widget styles, and use a funky lookin color scheme and icon set not related to baghira root___
[11:01] <trevor> !acer_acpi
[11:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about acer_acpi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:01] <trevor> !acpi
[11:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about acpi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:01] <tuco_>  back uga
[11:01] <root____> garyNY: I don't want that
[11:01] <garyNY> what you looking for with baghira again?
[11:01] <root____> to install it
[11:02] <garyNY> ah
[11:02] <uga> tuco_: did sensitivity thing work?
[11:02] <xenol> genii: sorry was my fault at last, forgot to apply icon set =<
[11:02] <root____> make computer-machine look like mac os x
[11:02] <ardchoille> root____:  sudo apt-get install kwin-baghira
[11:02] <root____> ardchoille: I did that
[11:02] <kinkajou> wine: cannot create temp dir /home/kinkajou/.wine-qOO53V : No space left on device
[11:02] <kinkajou> wtf?
[11:02] <ardchoille> root____: Are you reading that tutorial I gave you?
[11:02] <tuco_> Drake I don't have Touchpad as said earlier so can't edit.
[11:02] <root____> yeah I'm stuck
[11:02] <ardchoille> root____: Stuck where?
[11:03] <garyNY> root__ i remember installing it from adept manager when i did it
[11:03] <root____> n baghira's configuration dialog (right click the bab icon in the systray),
[11:03] <root____> there's no bab icon anywhere
[11:03] <garyNY> it's called kwin-baghira
[11:03] <uga> tuco_: eh? I said you should possibly add it to the part that reads /dev/input/mice
[11:03] <ardchoille> [13:59]  <ardchoille> root____: It also says to open a terminal and run "bab", you need to read everything in that tut
[11:03] <tuco_> did you give me tips uga?
[11:03] <uga> tuco_: [22:38]  <uga> tuco_:         Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
[11:03] <uga> tuco_: under that one
[11:03] <root____> I'm only on step 2
[11:04] <trevor> Alsamixer?  Kubuntu?  Anyone?
[11:04] <uga> it's the only mouse/touchpad you have defined
[11:04] <uga> so that ought to be the one
[11:04] <ardchoille> root____: With the menu bar?
[11:04] <root____> yeah
[11:04] <tuco_> ok uga
[11:04] <root____> the first time the word 'bab' is on the page is in the sentence I am on
[11:04] <acomaco> .
[11:05] <ardchoille> root____:  ok, open kcontrol and go to Desktop > Behaviour
[11:05] <root____> yeah then change to mac-style i did that
[11:05] <ardchoille> root____: Ok, my appologies. Open a terminal and run: bab
[11:06] <root____> ah there it is
[11:06] <ardchoille> root____: You should see an icon pop in the sys tray
[11:06] <uga> tuco_: uhm... looking at other people's configuration, they add another mouse at /dev/psaux, and configure that one instead
[11:06] <uga> maybe that's the proper way
[11:06] <uga> tuco_: you could try adding this... a second
[11:06] <Bleep> "not replacing existing route" i get this while i connect wirh PPP
[11:07] <uga> tuco_: does your machine have a /dev/psaux?
[11:07] <tuco_> no uga
[11:07] <uga> damn
[11:07] <sven_oostenbrink> Hi, adept manager just crashed and now when I restart it it tells me another process is still using adept, even though I am 100% sure there is NO other process doing this.. How can I fix this?
[11:07] <jeri> is frostwire as good as limewire?or better?
[11:07] <ardchoille> !adeptfix | sven_oostenbrink
[11:07] <ubotu> sven_oostenbrink: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[11:07] <hydrogen> you can steal just as much music with it
[11:07] <garyNY> heh
[11:07] <hydrogen> so it must be as good
[11:07] <ardchoille> lol
[11:08] <uga> tuco_: then we need to use the mouse you have already, and change the driver to synaptics. A second
[11:08] <jeri> hehe
[11:08] <tuco_> ok
[11:08] <garyNY> limewire was filled with fake files last time i used it, don't know how it is now tho
[11:09] <trevor> !alsa
[11:09] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:09] <trevor> !alsa
[11:09] <trevor> !alsa
[11:09] <trevor> !alsa
[11:09] <trevor> !alsa
[11:09] <uga> tuco_: I understand you have two mice right now? the touchpad and the external one?
[11:09] <genii> uga: I suspect his touchpad uses ttyS0 or so
[11:09] <garyNY> does anyone know if there is a bug report on xine memory usage?
[11:09] <trevor> !surround
[11:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about surround - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:10] <tuco_> nope
[11:10] <tuco_> I don't use any
[11:10] <ardchoille> trevor: Do us a favour and type this into your irc client:  /query ubotu
[11:10] <tuco_> only touchpad
[11:10] <uga> tuco_: so you're using zaxis mapping setting for the touchpad? weird setting in xorg =)
[11:10] <ardchoille> trevor: Use that to search instead of the channel for now
[11:10] <tuco_> xorg is weird name
[11:11] <Bleep> can someone help me out with pptp? i went pass the PAP authentication but then got message "not replacing existing route 10.0.0.138"
[11:11] <blade> anybody have any ideas why my laptop might not give me the option of wlan in the network properties, even though it shows that connection as active and the computer can see the wifi card, and wifi networks in the area?
[11:11] <tuco_> Ksynaptics is installed but unusable
[11:11] <root____> ardchoille: it says the icons are in starter/themes  where is that exactly?
[11:12] <ardchoille> root____: You don't have that unless you downloaded the sources. Look in the Icons section of the tutorial for the OS-L icon set url, it's much better looking anyway
[11:12] <root____> ardchoille: it's for the pulldown apple menu
[11:13] <genii> tuco: did you paste your xorg.conf  file previously to pastebin? If so i'll take a look if you still have the URL
[11:13] <uga> tuco_: http://rafb.net/p/nlpM2K36.html
[11:13] <ardchoille> root____: Right, you can use the icons in the OS-L set.. I did and it looks great
[11:13] <uga> tuco_: its' your xorg.conf, modified, commented out your mouse setting, and used synaptics as driver
[11:13] <uga> that should in theory work
[11:13] <Bleep> if i can ping my modem and ping my networkcard.... but i cant ping www.google.com is it a dns problem?
[11:13] <genii> uga: Is that his working xorg ?
[11:13] <jeri> still im trying to figure how to install codecs to play mp3s for my dapper :(
[11:14] <genii> uga:nvm saw your next remark :)
[11:14] <uga> genii: that's his working xorg, but I commented out the original mouse device ("Configured Mouse") and I added the synaptics configuration
[11:14] <ardchoille> jeri: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[11:14] <jeri> sudo apt-get install libxines=exracodecs dont work
[11:14] <genii> <- Reading
[11:14] <ardchoille> jeri: Sorry about the first one, I didn't know you were on Dapper
[11:14] <jeri> a   hah
[11:15] <jeri> how do i do it for dapper?
[11:15] <uga> xorg name comes from "X server" and "organisation". Actually the site is www.x.org =)
[11:15] <otroyo> hello guys
[11:15] <uga> tuco_: xorg name comes from "X server" and "organisation". Actually the site is www.x.org =)
[11:15] <ardchoille> jeri: sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[11:15] <kinkajou> umm question, i try and install anything and it says i have no space, which i kno i have i just reinstalle dyesterday >.<
[11:15] <kinkajou> reinstalled*
[11:15] <ardchoille> jeri: It's in multiverse, if you can find it, enable multiverse
[11:16] <uga> kinkajou: what does "df -h" say
[11:17] <kinkajou> in konsole? right =P
[11:17] <otroyo> guys i have kubuntu at home and it's bullet proof. I installed it on my lab and kde crashes all the time. kmenu disappears it closes apps and restarts i don't know what to do with it
[11:17] <jeri> it's already enabled
[11:17] <genii> uga: Yeah that may work
[11:17] <ardchoille> jeri: Did you update your sources?
[11:17] <jeri> yes
[11:17] <jeri> does it take long time to update?
[11:17] <ardchoille> jeri: then it should be there. I used that package on Dapper
[11:17] <kinkajou> says 100% used.....
[11:17] <lavacano201014> otroyo: <Ctrl> + <Alt> + <F1> and login
[11:18] <lavacano201014> then "sudo apt-get install <other desktop environment>"
[11:18] <ardchoille> jeri: To update? No, shouldn't take ore than 2 minutes
[11:18] <jeri> i'll update adept again
[11:18] <Jennitheowl> Curiuos, does anybody know how to get Compiz fusion working on kubuntu?
[11:18] <christian_> what is the package
[11:18] <ardchoille> jeri: forget adept: sudo apt-get update
[11:18] <christian_> to
[11:18] <christian_> make
[11:18] <christian_> the windows
[11:18] <christian_> animate
[11:18] <jeri> hehe i forgot
[11:18] <ardchoille> !enter | christian_
[11:18] <ubotu> christian_: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[11:19] <Jennitheowl> >.> agreed
[11:19] <Artimus> christian_: Are you thinking of "Compiz"?  (google for pictures)
[11:19] <Jennitheowl> i just asked this question! XD
[11:19] <otroyo> lavacano201014: shells work just fine. it's a kde thing
[11:19] <lavacano201014> i know
[11:19] <jeri> Grrr! no installation candidate
[11:20] <xenol> is there any way to exctract 7z files?
[11:20] <lavacano201014> !desktop | otroyo
[11:20] <ubotu> otroyo: A desktop environment is what "puts the pieces of a !GUI together". The available desktop environments in Ubuntu are !GNOME (ubuntu-desktop), !KDE (kubuntu-desktop), !Xfce (xubuntu-desktop), IceWM, !Fluxbox, WindowMaker (wmaker), FVWM and others - See also !Flavors
[11:20] <ardchoille> jeri: I can only say your sources aren't correct because that package is there
[11:20] <xenol> !7z
[11:20] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[11:20] <jeri> :(
[11:20] <ardchoille> jeri: Pastebin your sources file please
[11:21] <jeri> be right back need to take a bath,i'll be late for work hehe
[11:21] <ardchoille> hehe
[11:21] <kinkajou> wine: cannot create temp dir /home/kinkajou/.wine-28fb8c : No space left on device
[11:21] <ardchoille> ouch!
[11:21] <kinkajou> and ran df -h and says its full
[11:21] <kinkajou> but i kno its not...
[11:21] <kinkajou> wtf
[11:22] <kinkajou> anyone have any ideas...iam clueless
[11:22] <uga> kinkajou: if df -h says it's full, then it's full
[11:22] <kinkajou> i have no idea how i used 80gigs
[11:22] <kinkajou> only downloaded a few programs
[11:23] <uga> kinkajou: open konqueror, go to /
[11:23] <kinkajou> k
[11:23] <uga> kinkajou: on the right hand of the toolbar you'll see "icon view"
[11:23] <uga> press and hold it
[11:23] <uga> kinkajou: select "file size view"
[11:23] <uga> if you can find it
[11:23] <uga> tht will show what's taking space
[11:23] <uga> it will take time, be patient
[11:24] <root____> how do I reverse my title bar so close and minimize is on the left?
[11:24] <kinkajou> wait what tool bar
[11:24] <kinkajou> iam a noob!!!
[11:24] <kinkajou> lol
[11:24] <ardchoille> uga: Whoa! That's a nice view.
[11:24] <kinkajou> uner view
[11:24] <kinkajou> at the top?
[11:24] <uga> kinkajou: do you see "icon view" icon?
[11:24] <kinkajou> yeah
[11:24] <uga> press and hold it. you'll see a menu popping up
[11:24] <uga> multicolumn view, tree view...
[11:25] <ardchoille> root____: That's in the "Buttons position" section of the tutorial. You need to drag and drop the buttons in kcontrol
[11:25] <uga> kinkajou: there's one called "filesize view"
[11:25] <uga> just select it
[11:25] <uga> and it'll show you what's taking space
[11:25] <tuco_> sorry uga was on phone
[11:25] <kinkajou> k
[11:25] <root____> oh it's confusing because his are switched from the beginning on =] 
[11:25] <uga> tuco_: np, I hope you can check the responses and that works for you
[11:26] <ardchoille> root____: Yes, that tutorial was written when kcontrol had different names for the module sections :(
[11:26] <kinkajou> k now what?
[11:26] <kinkajou> XD
[11:26] <ardchoille> uh oh
[11:26] <uga> kinkajou: you see biggest pieces? those are the ones taking space
[11:26] <uga> check the size
[11:26] <uga> there must be something that took over 80GB =)
[11:27] <uga> kinkajou: it'll take some time loading completely
[11:27] <kinkajou> its still adding stuff
[11:27] <kinkajou> yeah
[11:27] <tuco_> So i can copy and paste the content of your link into my xorg right?
[11:27] <kinkajou> biggest one so far is 512 mb
[11:27] <ardchoille> I'm guessing that filesize view is slow at parsing
[11:27] <kinkajou> ...
[11:28] <kinkajou> .xsessions-errors
[11:28] <kinkajou> 66.37 gb
[11:28] <ardchoille> o.O
[11:28] <uga> wow, that's large. You can edit and empty it
[11:28] <tuco_> uga?
[11:29] <kinkajou> how do i do that? =P
[11:29] <jereme> when I plug my phone in via usb, I get 0 detection...  I see that other folks online are using this same phone with other distributions...  is there any magic usb package that needs to be installed, like a hotplug package?
[11:29] <ardchoille> he can delete it altogether.. it'll be added again upon login
[11:29] <kinkajou> k
[11:29] <uga> tuco_: [23:13]  <uga> tuco_: http://rafb.net/p/nlpM2K36.html [23:13]  <uga> tuco_: its' your xorg.conf, modified, commented out your mouse setting, and used synaptics as driver
[11:29] <ardchoille> That file belongs in /var/log anyway
[11:29] <tuco_> so I can use that then?
[11:29] <uga> ardchoille: ah, I was wondering if it'd be created or not
[11:29] <uga> ardchoille: if deleted during runtime
[11:30] <uga> tuco_: I hope it will work. Keep the original one, just in case
[11:30] <ardchoille> uga: It will be. I delete mine after every boot.
[11:30] <tuco_> OK uga let me try
[11:31] <christian_> man
[11:31] <christian_> how can install yacc compiler ?
[11:31] <lavacano201014> "sudo apt-get install yacc"?
[11:31] <ardchoille> christian_:  apt-cache search --names-only yacc
[11:31] <RATTT> hey people. if i make linux my host and run xp on vmware, will games still perform well on xp?
[11:31] <ardchoille> There's a bunch in there
[11:32] <RATTT> hey people. if i make linux my host and run xp on vmware, will games still perform well on xp?
[11:32] <christian_> okay
[11:32] <christian_> thanks
[11:32] <siegdelacroix> oi
[11:32] <kinkajou> umm when i delete that .xsessions it makes another one with a bigger number infront
[11:32] <ardchoille> christian_: I don't think any of them is the yacc compiler, thoi, judging by there descriptions
[11:32] <kinkajou> _5.xsession-errors
[11:32] <ardchoille> s/there/their/
[11:33] <kinkajou> did i break linux? lol
[11:33] <lavacano201014> kinkajou: is that possible?
[11:33] <christian_> ardchoille: iam installing
[11:33] <christian_> bind
[11:33] <ardchoille> kinkajou: Wow, mine never did that and I deleted it with konqueror
[11:33] <christian_> por dns domain
[11:33] <christian_> and
[11:33] <christian_> not found
[11:33] <kinkajou> yeha idk....
[11:33] <christian_> yacc compiler
[11:33] <Bleep> im connecting to adsl what does this mean? > not replacing existing route via 10.0.0.138
[11:33] <kinkajou> reinstall?
[11:33] <christian_> make[3] : yacc: Program not found
[11:33] <kinkajou> >;(
[11:34] <lavacano201014> !enter | christian_
[11:34] <ubotu> christian_: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[11:34] <tomas_> hello:)
[11:34] <twilight_> Hello, I am runnign kubuntu on a laptop and i have no sound
[11:34] <uga> christian_: install bison
[11:35] <tomas_> no window borders, compiz error, who can help?
[11:35] <uga> christian_: sudo apt-get install bison
[11:35] <fevel_> twilight_, what laptop?
[11:35] <uga> tomas_: either install and run emerald --replace, or install compiz-kde and run kde-window-decorator --replace
[11:35] <christian_> bison ?
[11:35] <christian_> is for dns ?
[11:36] <uga> christian_: ????
[11:36] <uga> christian_: bison - A parser generator that is compatible with YACC
[11:36] <uga> weren't you trying to install yacc?
[11:36] <Giksaw> ok, does anybody know why firefox is so slow. I've just installed Kubuntu
[11:36] <christian_> ohh okay
[11:36] <christian_> okay
[11:36] <twilight_> I am runnign kubuntu on a emachines w4620 laptop and i have no sound
[11:37] <genii> Bleep: You have only 1 network card in your computer or 2 (or more) ?
[11:38] <christian_> okay okay
[11:38] <christian_> uga
[11:38] <christian_> really works
[11:38] <christian_> man
[11:38] <christian_> thank u
[11:38] <genii> !enter
[11:38] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[11:38] <waylandbill_> Giksaw: firefox will be slower than Konqueror because the system has to load gtk libraries.
[11:38] <Bleep> 1 eth card
[11:38] <Giksaw> why firefox is so slow?
[11:39] <Bleep> yesterday ive managed to get internet via kubuntu  but today after i start my laptop
[11:39] <uga> Giksaw: apt-get remove firefox fixes it ;)
[11:39] <ardchoille> lolz
[11:39] <waylandbill_> Giksaw: plus konqueror has a preload scheme were ff doesn't. Once loaded ff should be quick to make another window though.
[11:39] <ardchoille> Windows? There's a reason it has a tabbed ui
[11:40] <Giksaw> waylandbill_: konqueror doesnt display gmail - it display gibrish
[11:40] <twilight_> I am runnign kubuntu on a laptop and i have no sound
[11:40] <Bleep> according to my modem if i connect with kubuntu on my laptop 10.0.0.150 is using pptp
[11:40] <uga> Giksaw: uh? worksforme
[11:40] <ardchoille> !sound | twilight_
[11:40] <ubotu> twilight_: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[11:40] <Giksaw> uga: what is apt-get?
[11:40] <Bleep> thats my laptops network
[11:40] <Bleep> card
[11:40] <waylandbill_> Giksaw: use the browser identification to tell konq to identify as ff to gmail.
[11:40] <uga> Giksaw: heh, ignore the apt-get comment. it was a joke =)
[11:41] <genii> Bleep: What i would suspect is this: when you boot the computer, it is getting a default IP and the route of the IP has there (10.0.0.138) then you are running after that some PPPOE connection login which tries to login to your ISP and assign a new IP and route
[11:41] <waylandbill_> !apt | Giksaw
[11:41] <ubotu> Giksaw: APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[11:41] <ardchoille> waylandbill_: konqueror still won't be able to get the enhanced gmail display that ff gets. The best he can do is simple html
[11:41] <uga> Giksaw: gmail should work just fine in konqueror. Are you sure you're not moddifying the browser ID or so?
[11:41] <waylandbill_> ardchoille: I disagree. It does the advanced gmail interface.
[11:42] <ardchoille> waylandbill_: Ok, I never was able to get it here trying several diff browser agent id's.
[11:43] <Bleep> hmmm well oke it passed PAP authentication... but i dont know why its trying  to assign a new IP
[11:43] <uga> ardchoille: not exactly true
[11:43] <uga> ardchoille: konqueror is able to. it's google that is unable to enable it for konqueror
[11:44] <Giksaw> uga: how do I change its identification?
[11:44] <uga> ardchoille: just set browser id to firefox 1.5
[11:44] <genii> Bleep: If by modem you mean a 56K type modem, there is also another possible issue, which is that the /etc/ppp/options file needs the option: replacedefaultroute  in it, or the LAN route gets used even if dialup succeeds at connection
[11:44] <ardchoille> uga: Oh, ok, that's why
[11:44] <Bleep> no i got an adsl modem
[11:44] <uga> Giksaw: Tools->change browser identification
[11:44] <ardchoille> uga: did that, didn't work for me. I only got the simple html gmail ui instead of the enhanced
[11:45] <Giksaw> uga: it doesnt give me the option- it is grey
[11:45] <ardchoille> Doesn't matter, I use ff now anyway
[11:45] <uga> ardchoille: choose "switch to standard view" on top when on e-mal
[11:45] <genii> Bleep: PAP authentication suggest a dialup modem
[11:45] <uga> ardchoille: it should allow doing so if you set it to firefox 1.5
[11:45] <ardchoille> uga:  Doesn't matter, I use ff now anyway
[11:45] <Bleep> ok ill try that in etc/ppp/config
[11:45] <Bleep> i mean options
[11:45] <uga> Giksaw: strange
[11:45] <root____> ./buildset says I have no converter
[11:45] <Bleep> brb
[11:46] <waylandbill_> ardchoille: you need to go there under ff 1.5 identification /and/ then tell gmail to force the advanced interface. two steps.
[11:46] <Giksaw> uga:  ardchoille has the same prob.
[11:46] <uga> Giksaw: no, he can change browser id
[11:46] <waylandbill_> ardchoille: that may have been meant for Giksaw as well.
[11:46] <genii> Bleep: remember to edit that with admin privelege,eg: kdesu kate /etc/ppp/options   or by :  sudo nano /etc/ppp/options
[11:46] <ardchoille> root____: sudo apt-get install imagemagick
[11:47] <uga> waylandbill_: change browser ID is grayed out for Giksaw
[11:47] <uga> any idea?
[11:47] <genii> Bleep: Otherwise changes cannot be saved
[11:47] <twilight_> I am runnign kubuntu on a emachines w4620 laptop and i have no sound. I have alsa running
[11:47] <ardchoille> root____: You need the convert app, which is in the imagemagick package
[11:48] <trevor> Anyone know how to get alsamixer running on Kubuntu?
[11:48] <ardchoille> waylandbill_: Oh, never did that.. that may be why it didn't work. Thanks for the info.
[11:48] <Giksaw> waylandbill_:  what should I do?
[11:48] <uga> trevor: if your soundcard is supported by alsa, you shouldn't need to do anything
[11:48] <ardchoille> root____: That buildset will take a while
[11:49] <uga> trevor: what does alsamixer, or kmix say
[11:49] <Giksaw> uga: ??
[11:49] <trevor> I'm having a problem with my speakers.
[11:49] <uga> Giksaw: it's strange. that menu should be enabled for you
[11:49] <trevor> Kmix does nothing, and the instructions for my problem require me to turn up the surround volume in AlsaMixer, but I get an error when I run it...
[11:50] <uga> trevor: what's the error
[11:50] <waylandbill_> Giksaw: in the configuration of konq or click on the icon in the right hand lower corner that looks like a chicken leg.
[11:50] <Bleep1> genii: no success
[11:50] <trevor> alsamixer:  function snd_mixer_load failed:  Invalid Argument
[11:50] <Bleep1> although the message is gone its still having hte same problem
[11:50] <uga> Giksaw: maybe something is missing to be installed, but I can't tell
[11:51] <uga> waylandbill_: chicken leg???
[11:51] <trevor> No...  No chicken tonight, I'm afraid....
[11:51] <genii> Bleep1: Do you not have a router between your ADSL modem and any computers in the LAN ?
[11:51] <Bleep1> no its a direct connection between my laptop and the modem
[11:51] <trevor> Well, how would I get to access the surround in Kmix?
[11:52] <uga> trevor: if alsamixer doesn't work, you won't get kmix to do anything either, unless it does so through OSS
[11:52] <Bleep1> funny thing is that it worked yesterday
[11:52] <uga> kmix is an interface to alsa
[11:53] <waylandbill_> uga: I don't know how to describe it. It looks like a chicken leg or maybe a cooked chicken. :)
[11:53] <genii> Bleep1: Because 10.0.0.X IP to laptop suggests that the modem or a router-type function is handing out internal IP numbers. If no dhcp server was working your number would begin 169.254.x.x
[11:53] <Bleep1> uhm should i turn on DHCP on my modem?
[11:54] <uga> waylandbill_: a funnel, a police hat, a fly (bug), ... no chicken there =)
[11:54] <trevor> I did it on a live ubuntu disk...
[11:54] <uga> waylandbill_: the police hat (browser ID icon) doesn't appear unless you already changed browser id through tools menu
[11:54] <uga> and that's disabled for him
[11:54] <trevor> But, why doesn't it work in Kubuntu?
[11:55] <uga> trevor: it may be that you're missing loading a soundcard driver
[11:55] <trevor> !alsamixer
[11:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alsamixer - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:55] <trevor> uga: but, my headphone port wouldn't work then, would it?
[11:55] <root____> what's the command to extract OS-L.tar.bz2
[11:55] <genii> Bleep1: There is usually two approaches if equipment allows. Preferable is to let the modem/router part login to the ISP with username/pass for the ISP login and then just do dhcp to LAN. I think your setup can do this, since 10.0.0.x range indicated. Second way is when no dhcp function available, the computer does PPPOE login function and takes on external internet IP the router function normally absorbs.
[11:55] <uga> trevor: if that's the CD's jack, it will work
[11:56] <waylandbill_> root____: tar jxvf OS-L.tr.bz2
[11:56] <Giksaw> waylandbill_: ok, I dont know what u meant but it works now because I opened gmail first
[11:56] <trevor> It's a laptop...
[11:56] <Giksaw> waylandbill_: however, I still c gibrish
[11:56] <genii> Bleep1: I think your situation is that you have both functions going, and need to eliminate the computer PPPOE login part if your modem is capable of doing this
[11:56] <waylandbill_> root____: in the directory to extract. Otherwise give full path to the bz2 archive.
[11:56] <Giksaw> waylandbill_: I changed the identification to firefox 1.5
[11:57] <uga> trevor: doesn't matter if it's a box or laptop. What are you listenign through the "headphone port" as you call it
[11:57] <uga> mp3s? oggs? wavs? or playing the CD through the play button
[11:58] <trevor> All the sound works fine through the port...
[11:58] <trevor> It's just the onboard speakers that don't work...
[11:58] <uga> so sound system is working, but the mixer isn't?
[11:58] <trevor> Yeah...
[11:58] <Giksaw> uga:  I changed it to firefox 1.5 - it is the same
[11:58] <uga> trevor: sounds like you have a broken mixer implementation in the driver
[11:58] <trevor> A bunch of people are having this problem on the forum...
[11:58] <uga> trevor: I think I read about that problem before
[11:58] <trevor> They opened alsamixer, and turned up the sourround volume, and it worked...
[11:58] <uga> trevor: what was the soundcard, do you know it?
[11:59] <trevor> So, the onboard speakers are surround?  It's a Realtek...
[11:59] <uga> Giksaw: if you enter e-mail, then on top there's an option to show "standard view". That will show the normal view of gmail
[11:59] <trevor> ?
[11:59] <trevor> ...
[11:59] <uga> trevor: try lspci |grep -i audio
[11:59] <trevor> Okay....  lspci says ATI?
[11:59] <uga> ati is the gfx card possibly ;)
[12:00] <Giksaw> uga: it is standart view and it is on the bottom
[12:00] <genii> Bleep1: Still here?
[12:00] <trevor> Whole dang motherboard is from ATI...
[12:00] <trevor> 00:14.2 Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SB450 HDA Audio (rev 01)
[12:00] <uga> okay
[12:01] <trevor> But, windows definitely uses Realtek audio drivers...
[12:01] <christian_> hmm
[12:01] <trevor> WTH did Acer do to this thing?
[12:01] <christian_> what program
[12:01] <christian_> descomprim
[12:01] <waylandbill_> Giksaw: does standard view work?
[12:01] <christian_> .RAR
[12:01] <Bleep1> im so confused now.
[12:01] <christian_> archvies
[12:02] <genii> Bleep1: You can normally use a web browser to reach your modem's setup page?
[12:02] <trevor> Well, I have to go to dinner...
[12:02] <Giksaw> mishehu: it is still not displaying correctly
[12:02] <Bleep1> yes i can
[12:02] <waylandbill_> Giksaw: you can always forward gmail to another email account if you have one (like a pop3 account)
[12:02] <Giksaw> waylandbill_: no- it doesnt work
[12:02] <uga> trevor: what's the kernel version?
[12:02] <uga> trevor: ( uname -r)
[12:02] <trevor> So, if someone could tell me how to install a security certificate in linux to get on my college wifi network in the next five minutes, I'll try again...
[12:02] <Bleep1> im currently chatting with the same modem with XP
[12:02] <genii> Bleep1: Good. If neccesary, consult the manual for it. but set the modem to do the login part to the ISP.
[12:03] <trevor> 2.6.20-16-generic
[12:03] <genii> Bleep1: After this, remove the pppoe part which is causing grief from ubuntu by: sudo apt-get remove pppoe
[12:03] <Giksaw> waylandbill_: yes- but it doesnt solve the problem.
[12:03] <trevor> I have a certificate, but I don't know what the heck to do with it...
[12:03] <trevor> Well, I'll be back...
[12:03] <trevor> See yas!
[12:03] <trevor> And, thanks!
[12:04] <Bleep1> as far as i can recall... the isp part is in the ppp  config
[12:04] <genii> Bleep1: I can assure you the router is already currently handling the login and internet access, since the default route could not be changed from 10.0.0.138
[12:05] <Giksaw> waylandbill_: what can I do?
[12:05] <Giksaw> uga: help
[12:05] <genii> Bleep1: The ppp config is for dialup modems and not much to do with LAN or routers etc
[12:05] <uga> trevor: tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat
[12:05] <uga> trevor: does it show any mixers?
[12:06] <Bleep1> im filling in isp info in my modem setup page now
[12:07] <andycr> why does kubuntu 7.04 keep turning off keyboard repeat constantly?
[12:07] <andycr> without me doing it?
[12:07] <uga> trevor: I'm reading through LOADS of problems with this soundcard on feisty, and a few laptops
[12:07] <uga> trevor: one suggests a fix under a toshiba laptop with same soundcard:
[12:07] <uga> sudo rmmod snd-hda-intel
[12:07] <uga> sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel probe_mask=8 model=auto
[12:08] <uga> Giksaw: dont' know what's happenning if it doesn't show right. it works fine here, but I'm on gutsy
[12:08] <uga> Giksaw: afaik it worked on feisty too, though
[12:08] <Bleep1> ok ive settup isp login = always and its on now..
[12:08] <Bleep1> whats next?
[12:08] <genii> Bleep1: when you are connected to internet by network cable you never need to use kppp to use internet
[12:09] <Giksaw> uga: afaik?
[12:09] <Giksaw> uga: fiesty?
[12:09] <uga> Giksaw: what version of kubuntu did you install
[12:09] <genii> Bleep1: To make sure it is not the pppoe however, do:   sudo apt-get remove pppoe
[12:09] <uga> Giksaw:  http://www.gaarde.org/acronyms/?lookup=afaik
[12:10] <genii> bleep1: It may groan it is not installed. If so, fine
[12:10] <uga> Giksaw: feisty is a kubuntu version
[12:10] <Giksaw> 7.04
[12:10] <uga> that's feisty
[12:10] <Bleep1> its not installed
[12:10] <uga> I'm running gutsy (7.10 beta)
[12:11] <genii> Bleep1: OK, then it was the kppp wanting to use the dialup modem all the time
[12:11] <genii> Bleep1: You should be able to only just open the browser and it works
[12:11] <genii> Bleep1: No intermediate steps etc
[12:11] <Bleep1> what should i do with eth0?
[12:12] <Bleep1> auto dhcp?
[12:12] <genii> Bleep1: eth0 is the connection you want it to use
[12:12] <genii> Bleep1: Yes
[12:12] <Bleep1> hmm ok ill try
[12:12] <Bleep1> brb
[12:12] <Giksaw> uga:  what kind of name is that?
[12:12] <uga> !names
[12:12] <ubotu> Ubuntu has an $adjective $animal naming scheme, summarized (and with a list of suggested words which you can add to) at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[12:13] <genii> Bleep1: I will be back shortly
[12:15] <Giksaw> uga: very wierd
[12:16] <genii> back
[12:17] <Giksaw> uga: so maybe names
[12:17] <Bleep> nopes it doesnt work
[12:20] <genii> bleep: By "doesn't work" you mean it is still prompting you on computer for some ISP login but that internet works anyhow?
[12:21] <root____> the fonts aren't showing up in kcontrol which I moved to /usr/share/fonts/truetype
[12:23] <genii> !ping bleep
[12:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ping bleep - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:23] <genii> bah
[12:23] <Kachna> http://www.eprdel.cz/obrazky/nazev_vista_je_sifra.jpg
[12:26] <genii> ppl are so impatient
[12:26] <Bleep> hmm i tried but it didnt work
[12:26] <genii> bleep: By "doesn't work" you mean it is still prompting you on computer for some ISP login but that internet works anyhow?
[12:27] <Bleep> i suspect my modem couldnt connect to isp
[12:27] <Bleep> status: trying to
[12:27] <genii> Bleep: To make it stop trying to use the dialup you need to now disable the ppp adapter, in System Settings...Network settings (Admin mode needed)
[12:28] <genii> Bleep: In there only the eth0 should be active, no others
[12:28] <parsnip> hey all
[12:29] <parsnip> hi genii and uga
[12:29] <Bleep> there are no other connection active only eth0.
[12:29] <Bleep> ive manually disabled wireless
[12:29] <Bleep> that was the first problem
[12:29] <parsnip> genii, uga: i got it going. Had to reset factory defaults on the player
[12:29] <genii> Bleep: There is somewhere it wants to keep using kppp from. I forget how to reset this particular thing
[12:30] <Bleep> can i kill a proces of it?
[12:30] <genii> Bleep: It may be from inside Firefox, or whatever app first tries to use internet connection
[12:30] <genii> parsnip: good :)
[12:31] <parsnip> genii: yeah its ready to hook up to my GFs lappy to run musicmatch to give it the right settings / folders to work
[12:32] <genii> Bleep: Unfortunately I need to leave work in time to get home and watch opening night Toronto Maple Leafs game, froiends are waiting for me to get there and let them in
[12:32] <root____> where do I put fonts!
[12:33] <Bleep> np ... thanks for taking time to help me
[12:33] <Bleep> im sure im very close tothe solllution
[12:33] <ardchoille> root____: /usr/share/fonts  <-- look in there
[12:33] <genii> Bleep: OK, just didn't want to ditch you here without explanation etc :) We are on the right track anyhow
[12:33] <Bleep> well i had 2 glorious hours of internet in kubuntu  ;)
[12:33] <genii> heh :)
[12:33] <Dragnslcr> Man, must be nice having an NHL team that you can care about
[12:33] <ardchoille> lol Bleep
[12:33] <root____> ardchoille: I put them there but they don't show up in the fonts part of kcontrol
[12:33] <genii> OK, good night all and see you again tomorrow of course :)
[12:34] <Bleep> cya ;
[12:34] <genii> Go Leafs!
[12:34] <ardchoille> root____: Did you just dump them in there or did you put them in /usr/share/fonts/truetype/font_name  ?
[12:34] <Giksaw> uga: it is still not working
[12:35] <NickPresta> Hello #kubuntu
[12:35] <epsilorn> Hi got a problem: all my 3d games exit to desktop whenever I try to change video settings (code 11), tried with openarena, alien arena, nexius and xmame vector games! Could you help me?
[12:35] <root____> ardchoille: I put there where the walkthrough said, /usr/share/fonts/ttf/
[12:35] <ardchoille> root____: if you're working with the Lucida Grande and Apple Garamond fonts, they look like crap.. I don't use them.
[12:36] <Giksaw> uga: also firefox cannot browse to citicards.com
[12:36] <root____> damn I wish kde would put a run as.. on the right click
[12:37] <Giksaw> uga: Im frustrated
[12:37] <ardchoille> root____: Go to http://www.kde-look.org and go to the service menus section and find a "run as" service menu and install it :)
[12:38] <root____> ardchoille: can you do paste as?
[12:38] <sebastian> hi people
[12:38] <ardchoille> root____: paste as? What is that?
[12:40] <root____> I try to copy fonts into the fonts directory, i can't. I have to open a shell and do it from there... it's so inefficient
[12:40] <sebastian> I have a question about DVD burning
[12:40] <sebastian> can someone help?
[12:40] <ardchoille> root____:   try this:   kdesu -c 'konqueror --profile filemanagement /root'
[12:40] <root____> why the heck doesn't it just ask for a password =[
[12:41] <ardchoille> root____: But, be VERY careful with that window, it's an admin window.
[12:41] <root____> ardchoille: what does that do